20 Episode results for "Landen"

Slow Flight Down the Runway

Private Pilot Podcast

14:17 min | 1 year ago

Slow Flight Down the Runway

"Hey everyone this is jason and you're listening to the private pilot podcast by 'em zero a dot com where good pilot is always learning. What's the best way for a student pilot. Really private instrument commercial doesn't matter what's the best way for a pilot to improve their landings. Everyone jason shepherd here of missouri way dot com and you are listening to the private pilot. Podcast brought to you. By our number one rated online ground school visit ground school academy dot com over two zero a dot com to check it all out actually m zero a trial dot com is even better linked to us. Take a free trial of it before you spend any money with us. I wanna make sure our videos work for you. My teaching style works for you. That we are just click on all cylinders so before you spend any money with us. I want you to take a two week. No-strings-attached trial of our online ground school with that speaking of that by the way before we get into it. I need you to remember the date. Remember the date august nineteenth. You all have hopefully been listening or watching dot com for quite some time. You know. I don't come from a place of hype i i'd like to think i come from a place of heart so when i say something's going to be a big deal i mean it's going to be a big deal. August nineteenth. make sure you are there. There's a facebook event that you can rsvp for with that today. I wanna help you improve your landings. You're probably thinking jason. How on earth by listening to spoken word or maybe. I know some of you. Watch this on facebook or youtube. How on earth. Jason are you going to help me improve. My landings through podcast. Shouldn't you be in the airplane to help me improve my landings and that's a good place to start and actually this entire month of august is devoted to the secret to perfect lennon's. I have to be honest with you. I did not become good. And i'm going to say an expert landing them and say. I didn't become good at landings until i went onto become a commercial pilot. Allow me to explain. Why so as a private pilot so far. What has been your mission. It's look outside. look outside i know. Gm thousands beautiful. I know the abidine units beautiful. These gorgeous avionics look outside. Hopefully you're cf of said that to you a lot. So you're looking outside. Everything's great you're working on your landings you get just enough to kind of make it through the acs airman certification standards just enough to kinda sorta pass a check. Ride in life is good and then you go onto instrument and then instrument is all about. Hey stop looking outside so much. look inside. Look at your avionics master. Your avionic stop looking. Outside what do you think really deteriorates. What skill really deteriorates by the way for those. Who don't have an instrument all you're doing this shoot approaches. Going missed shooting approaches going miss. You do one landing your entire instrument. Lesson should approaches go messed your landings deteriorate so quickly when you work on your instrument then a commercial pilot. Hey i know you're spent so much time looking inside. Let's look outside again is a vf far certificate again. Let's look outside inside outside inside. It's so get so confusing. I remember as a working on my instrument pilot so a student instrument pilot and shine away from crosswinds. I i did not like the idea of crosswinds. One nothing to do with crosswinds. It was not my not my cup of tea out. Always purposely fly to an airport that had multiple runway options. I wouldn't have to land in a crossmond environment. That's just I was a little bit weird about that. Perhaps it wasn't until. I went on to become a commercial pilot and as as becoming a commercial pilot. I was forced to through powerful eighties. And all these technical maneuvers to really flying complex. Aircraft is before. ta's technically advanced aircraft existed Edify true complex airplane you were forced to become at least good at your landings that point tolerance from two hundred feet for a short field. Do one hundred feet for short field. Just everything tightened up. Atp that even further for me atv the certificate. Did that even further for me. So i had to get better at my landings. And i came across this idea. And i can't recall i if a flight instructor taught me this. I apologize for forgetting whomever that was. I had many great flight instructors. That taught me to give them the full credit but somewhere along the line. Either i had an epiphany or someone told me of this idea of doing slow flight. Down the runway. Hear me out on this right. Why do we do slow flight. Why did we practice slow flight. You think we practice it to get used to the aircraft at slower speeds to i've heard some say to to work the aircraft through its performance. Envelope flight its slowest speed. We also do an emergency descent flight at its fastest speed and it sounds like a logical argument however i wanna flip that argument on its head. I want to instead argue that we practice slow flight to get better at our landings. Hear me on this. We practice slow flight to get better at our landings. When you are coming in you know. I don't like to use the word flair. You're going to hear a lot about that if you're watching the videos that go along with these podcasts on the way youtube and the facebook pages. You're going to hear a lot about that. I don't want you to flare the space. Shuttle flares a triple seven coming into land flares. A cessna one. Seventy two transitions. And what does it transition to. It transitions to slow flight down the runway. I never won three point landing. I'm not advocating three point land. The mains are going to touchdown. I followed by the knows. What i'm suggesting is instead of thinking about timing. The flare timing the transition and there is a there is a timing component to it. I can't take that out of it. But instead of working through all that instead what i want you to do is i want you to think i'm just gonna do slow flight down the runway and transition. When you're in slow flight you take your is almost out to infinity when you're looking outside if there's much to even see outside because the nose can be up so much around the configuration. Sometimes as you see the nose is up a little bit. We're not advocating three point. Landen's what i m advocating as you should always be in a position where you can see the runway in front you. You should never be picking up the nose so high that you're just feeling for the ground feeling for the ground doesn't work it work for daytime land is it doesn't work for nighttime winds especially you feel for the ground and let the ground come to you instead. You transition a slow flight. So here's some homework for you. Here's what i need you to practice. I need you to practice. Slow flight down the runway. Hear me out. I want you to fly a perfect pattern. A perfect landing starts with a perfect traffic pattern as we know. I want you to fly that perfect pattern. I want you to get on final. I want you to be nailing your airspeeds because airspeed is king for me. It's ninety down eighty on base seventy on finals. Roughly sixty five ish crossing airport property. Mail my airspeeds. I'm holding line the entire time. I'm holding centerline the entire time. And as i get to that point where i would normally transition will call it. I want you to give it a little bit of power. Because you're a neil overpowered. Hold slow flight and a little stronger back on the yoke and as you slow down more you'll give it a little more power and a little more. He'll be constantly adding millimeters of power to do this. But i want you to practice and hold yourself just inches above the runway practicing slow flight down the runway. That's why once you go. That's what i want you to work. And aspire towards is slow flight down the runway. I want you to notice some. You'll see me do this. These videos only move for those. You watch the video. I've got my coffee out of the way. 'cause you know i talk with my hands. Sometimes i want you to feel the ailerons and realize that they don't do much this slow yet. Your feet do everything. You put the same pressure or input on the rudder and you'll beyond way the left way to the right quickly. Your ailerons aren't very effective but just because you're so close to a stall warning horn may in fact even on yet. Your rudder is still so effective. So what i want you to do. Is i want you to feel those control inputs. I want you to drift off. Centerline purpose are on purpose. Doesn't matter oftentimes it's not on purpose. I want you to work to get yourself back on centerline. Feeling how you control yourself if you have a problem anybody here chauhan's even i can't see your hands but but hear me out anybody here ever have a problem landing left of center. Why do you land. Why not write a senate. Why do we consistently lan left of center. Lanny left of center is a common student pilot error. And here's the solution. Or here's what's happening. You're coming in you get light on the feet you do everything with the yolk you the yolks gonna save the day. But you're not strong enough with your feet. And the torque factor one of our four left turning tendencies in addition to get you in ground effect when you're in ground effect you amplify true p factor and the torque effect in ground effect. And it pulls you to the left if your landing left of centerline. It's because you have lazy feet. There's no other. There's not a nice way to put it. I apologize if your landing left of center. You're getting lazy with your footwork. There are still left turning tendencies. Everyone thinks left turning tendencies or just on takeoff left turning tendencies are still well in the live especially down in ground effect and even back at those idle ish rpm settings so you still need to have a little bit of pressure on that right foot if you find yourself landing left of center. I've rambled a lot here but the take home nugget that i want you to have is with a cfi. I want you to practice. Slow flight down the runway. If you find the ground sneaking up on you again show of hands has the ground ever snuck up on anybody by snuck up. I mean you're flying flying flying all of a sudden. Oh that is ground. Wasn't expecting that or you. Have you ever found yourself feeling for the ground. I know it's down there somewhere. I'll get it eventually. You thought you should hit the ground while ago but you hadn't yet slow flight down. The runway is going to help you with judging altitude or really just. It's hardly any altitudes. A few feet of measuring height above the runway. We'll call it if that is something. You are struggling with. It will help with that greatly. Slow flight down the runway flyer perfect patterns ditch. The word flare from your vocabulary. I could do a whole podcast just on that alone. I have a whole video coming out and a few weeks instead on that very topic so please make sure you're following along with the series on youtube and on facebook on the amazon dot com youtube and facebook page police. Also make sure you're in the m zero a nation facebook group m zero. A nation just searched that on facebook. And it's getting to be quite a big group. Now i am in there. The entire team is in their questions. You have and let me just give you some guidelines. This facebook group is not a place for for negatively. Not a place for haters. It is a place of respect culture of congratulations. It is a culture of individuals like yourself who are always learning. So if you're not a good pilot who has always learning aspiring to be a safer smarter pilot. I imagine that's not you. You wouldn't be listening this podcast but the kind of people we want in that group are the kind of pilots who are always pursuing mastery always pursuing and finding ways to become safer smarter pilots. If that is you you are very very much so welcome to the zero a nation facebook group so head on over there would love to have you in there Thank you for taking time out of your day. 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KILLING TIME: OH, THE PROFANITY!

The First Degree

47:56 min | Last month

KILLING TIME: OH, THE PROFANITY!

"Thank you for listening to this. Podcast one production now available on apple. Podcasts podcast one. Spotify and anywhere else. You get your podcasts. Welcome to killing time hosted by two girls one goth and today is such an exciting episode because we have our first guest of killing time and who better to be our first gus than this guy you may know him as the lead guitarist and a band called the main you may know him from all of his beautiful work that he does producing our podcast. Or if you're me you may know him as your sweet sweet boyfriend jerry. You may also know him as my partner. The number one. Google search result. Yes it area next to a lexus. Lincoln jared monaco. Alexis is boyfriend. Happy to be here won't conveyed fan. Welcomes your how do you feel about being our first guest. I feel honored long again longtime listener. This first time. Guest kind of my job but i probably going to be back. We're we're glad to have you for having me back. We're actually going to probably have you for a few episodes. I think so. I don't think i'm leaving now. Because your checks designated driver just well. I drink many apple spritzers. Jared can drive me home at the wee hours of the night because it always takes way longer than we think to record these fucking episodes so true. I'm here i'm ready. Thank you all right billy. Before we get into the episode we got to know what is the day today. What is the dark day that we're celebrating or not sell. It celebrates the anti celebration. Today is june third and this in nineteen forty. Three june third was the start of the zoot suit. Riots ooh oh i don't know much about the zoot suit right all right. Here's what happened now. Zoot suits were. What suits right now. About zoot woman. And i know that song. Zoot suit right. Zoot suit riot daddy's as nash. A band called zoot woman. And i was like there is one. It's not the same thing that did zoot suit riot. But tell me maybe. I'll well why is still very large suit. Yes oversize precise suit now. Very shiny shoes. yes now in the nineteen forties it. Was this weird thing that people had that it was unpatriotic to wear those suits because they were rationing everything. And it's just like you're wearing too much clothing fabric so these pricks These eleven sailors. They get off a bus in downtown. La and they they spot some mexican americans wearing these zoot suits and then they attack them. and then this starts a whole thing because that happens and then the next day all these other sailors going come in a convoy from probably long beach or something like that where they were stationed. They come up here and they were just like we're going to attack anybody with zoot suit and i'm gonna read from wikipedia here during the next few days. Thousands of servicemen and residents joined the attack marching abreast down streets entering bars and movie houses and assaulting a young mexican american males. They encountered in one incident. Sailors dragged two zoot suit on stage as a film was being screened. Strip them in front of the audience and then urinated on their suits. My god oh my goodness yeah. Yeah so speech less. But the here's the thing. No soldiers were ever charged or arrested but of course they arrested a lot of the latinos. This has has became such a thing that activists like malcolm x. Shabazz actually pointed to it as like this was their inspiration into getting into political activism. Wow that's so interesting into. I did not know the history behind the suit. I want to understand the significance of the big is it because they can hide things in it like a gun or a fashion. No yes there's gotta be some practicality element here because it just looked loose suit does not look good. You know what have you have. You seen like the fashions in the eighties and nineties. There was a lot of going on. Why other lou. What loose stuff. I type thing loose sweatpants. Loose jeans this yes. I love a loose gene or sweatpants. Where things that are way too big for my body but a suit ill fitted suit is just still. It's not ill fitted. It was actually made. David byrne and i was just gonna say even. That's not making sense. That big suit is like one of the coolest things i've ever seen. I'd probably kill this. Was the style like hammer pants baggy or were they just like straight leg straight wide leg. I wonder if it was more of the the The the was a double breasted suit and it was just very large. Listen as somebody that didn't understand tailoring until he was like forty years old. Because i always bought stuff that just oh the sleeves fit so then i buy an extra large one. Honestly discovering tailoring. I don't know why take so long. Know what if anything from from this podcast. It's taylor especially those that are Tall feel like a million bucks. You wonder why you hate all your clothes until you get them taylor. Yep absolutely love it all right. Well now we've got some bitch and doodoo. Oh shit i'm ready. I would obviously guilty or not. Okay so this is on the stand for each of us are bringing a subject and object. I dunno whatever we want an idea theory to the stand where either prosecuting or defending it. And then the other three of us now are going to vote. If it's guilty or not guilty jared. Did you bring something on a sand. I'm not gonna put you on the spot right now. I mean i got. I got a few ideas bounced around my head and not really fleshed out but i could go. Maybe you guys she just wondering if you're prepared if we're going to include you in on the stanton okay. I'm game. I'm gonna go i actually. I'm gonna kick this off. I'm so ready. So on the stand today is the word. Fuck ou so we've gotten some about the first degree about honestly mine alexis use of the word. Fuck not billy billy of course only only the gals of the group or getting shit for it. I'm gonna read a few reviews that we have gotten that have been posted in our facebook group. One review says language. I've been listening to this podcast for a while but recently have been completely turned off by the f-bomb being used so much. Glad there are a ton of glad. There are a ton of other choices describe seems way too immature for my taste. Another review good but could be better. I love the content but hate the foul landen's really disappointed that it is mostly from the quote unquote ladies. You can really get your point across without using the f. Word i promise so i love the word. Fuck there's so much wrong with the with this. There's so much wrong with this number one. It's only pointed at me and alexis number two. You're listening to a show about murder. And so you're fine with that disembodied disemboweled gratuitous language all abound. Yes but the word fuck is offensive to you yet. You're here to discuss in murder about morbid things and it just sounds very hypocritical. It's just it's an odd choice and we fought long and hard with our partners into letting us stop bleeping out our curse words. Because i feel like it's distracting when you hear the the beep when we're talking and we only really use the word fuck when it's for its impact. We're not using it in offensive way. So i'm here to defend the word. Fuck okay. this is not A debutante podcast. This is not a podcast. Where jack ni- talk about being a lady or talk about being ladylike offends me that i'm put in a box like that because honestly it's like i want to do everything billy does own. Do things men do. I don't give a shit and billy curses to but people seem to overlook it. It's it's sexist to say things like that and i think that women need to google it and look up with that means like if you are coming at jack or i for not being quote unquote lady like this. Is your free podcast. You just don't have to listen latvia but like three. The fox is all i have to say i think for me and this is something that came out of journalism because i started out in alternative journalism so it was. We could curse except that headline can never use fucking the headline but we could curse interesting. But i remember writing and then cursing a little bit too much editor is saying it's a little it's too easy. You're you're going for the easy thing. It's like seinfeld says this. Actually he says that using the f. word it's like it's like a corvette and when you think about shiny and stuff like that but it's shady car is a guy that collects like twenty porsches or whatever the fuck that he has Saw did did there. But if it comes out in natural conversation and if it's something that is so you're so impassioned about it it is incredibly effective. Yes but it's you know the thing is that i think it is so effective that it should be used sparingly. Only when you really want to get your point across. I i absolutely agree and we do do that. However we're being called out on the the number of times that we do it. Yeah i just don't respond well to people trying to censor me discovery. Plus where billion our show is or podcast is they. Let us use the word. Fuck on tv and it's streaming service. They let us use the word. Fuck on a premium. Podcasts like long island serial killer. No one's forcing anyone to listen in anything. It's word we all know like if you clutch your pearls at faulk. Then you should look in the mirror. 'cause maybe murders not your thing. It's just very ironic within the context of the content of our episodes. Yes it'd be one thing. If we're teaching an etiquette podcasts and then look for the merge that is going to say fuck. Don't listen if murder not your thing honestly not a bad idea. I heard i mean. I had on many many t shirts. I love it okay. So what do we think. Fuck guilty or not guilty not guilty. Not guilty not guilty. Jared we in on this. What about music in the world. I mean when i when i was younger. The goal was to get the explicit content sticker. You want to cover the but you know it used to be. I mean i think it used to be like a badge but now it's like it's it's so cute. I think it's been. It's so common now. And i think people are so use it. I mean i really really remember like alternate versions of songs like growing up and like even i mean most famous song with buccaneers Song change it to. It's so refreshing to hear that song when he was like downtown with a girl back. And then you hear the radio just like forget. That's not the same meaning. Yeah it's nice when they finally it's latis reveal when he finally just enjoy it. I i don't know. I think i think it's a powerful word but i also don't i don't take really anything super serious and i feel like people shouldn't do you have any other any songs in the main. That has absolutely fucking gotta be gotta be. He doesn't know the lyrics. Absolutely there's got to be so not guilty. I'm saying not guilty friends. Right okay alexis. What's on the stand for you today. Okay so this is something i saw last week. There was a news article about a woman who got into a fight with her roommate and let the house on fire and she basically sat in the front yard as the house went up in flames and sat in a folding lawn chair and was reading a book or a newspaper in just watching the house burn crime but like so casual about it. And so smug about it. And just like yeah. I'm watching my house. Burn it's no big deal and in the rating in the comments under posts about this article. People are sorta like egging her on like like. Stand up for yourself for all right like this woman's bad ass or whatever and then you keep reading and you learn that. Firefighters had to rescue someone from the basement. The house is going up and lane on someone calling for help. So i'm gonna say she's charged with murder attempted murder and sin. Oh you know. People are taking this very lightly. I think she's a sociopath. So my whole thing here is that i think she's guilty. Yeah where some people are. Sorta going counterculture and supporting her. Because it's such a bold move. But also i think it's just it'd be funny meam. I think people are just sort of doing like ooh mood like this. How bad of a bitch. I am like this is how this fuck with me and see what happens and i'm just like no. This isn't nice. Talk to your roommate use your interpersonal communication skills. I'm sure like you can come up with a tour schedule. Like i'm sure. Have a at thirty dollars. Each of the rent have a cleaning person. Come in like. I'm sure there's a way do better than this zoo. We know what the argument was about. That is not information that has not information. That's been shared. But i we're going to play a little bit of audio right now from people who were filming. Oh and spectating so it's pretty funny so stand by for that good. I actually can't believe that she's just chilling. Back like yeah. I'm watching it go down. Oh my god this is that this is now turned into a serious serious big house. It's house. I wonder what she's reading like. Roddick fiction like i can't pull herself away from it. I mean i didn't know when you were explaining earlier that the person that they rescued was her roommate. Yeah so she actually tried to kill her roommate. This isn't like a funny ha ha sort of. We're out of the house like she it. That isn't tempting murder. According to the indictment at least here's my question. What's worse the person sitting and watching the burning house or the person sitting in filming the person sitting in washington so if you keep watching though they actually run in they try to do. Try to help your first. Your first instinct. Especially now the way that we're which is which is a good thing because if somebody screwed up things in the world is to take out your phone and start recording Then the second instinct is like nobody. If you see that nobody else's coming you go and help yeah. This woman is If the indictment is true which it seems like it is attempted murder. Don't like it. she's guilty. Guilty guilty hell so this is something that i want to put on the stand. I don't know where i land on it. So but it's very very slight aversion seinfeld in. It's also it's a great when you are unsure about something and you're being pushed and pulled and distractions. It's a great time to bring it site. Yeah calling someone without texting them. I depends on who it is. depends on. We'll give us. What's your back story. You know what. I was just sort of thinking about the phone and how we interact when you get a lot of people particularly of a younger generation really see a phone call as a threat as a threat as an intrusion of privacy. Give me a heads up. Please text me first before. You're going to actually call me so i can decide whether i actually want to talk to you. Yes now growing up myself and you guys were there too. I'm not that much older than you. Where you have Fifteen years fourteen but okay but splitting here okay. But so you've got jared whatever but you know what when. Somebody called a phone call when the phone rang. Yeah that was a tree that was like who's on the phone you don't know who it was and now there is no caller. Id back in the day terrifying. You didn't know who it could've been you answered. And then if it's like your creepy uncle greg you just have to continue to talk the hi greg yes. You didn't know who it was the the technology the one thing that technology has done for all the great things that it has done it has destroyed. Any sense of mystery in our lives love it. I don't want that the fucking this brings me great anxiety. I wanna know exactly what i'm dealing with. I don't want any personal mystery. Absolutely not we talk about mystery because it's not connected to us whatsoever but a personal no like what disease could i have a mold like. Let's do a genetic test. So i prepare financially not burden. My children Like i don't want any mystery. None suddenly death is the ultimate mystery. Yes you know because many people do it. That i'm actually not afraid of it because it's like every everyone makes it look really easy. Frankly what except for those. Who don't i want to respond to this. So i think it depends on who it is. I if i call jack with at a texas she knows to call me back because it's probably like wow she never does she either wants to tell me good news or tell me bad news or tell me something. Super juicy. Got like some things some tea. I never do it so she knows it's good. She's probably excited. Frankly when she sees my call you to. I call you without texting you all the time and you'll be like you probably have the feeling what. How bad is it or how good what about a you have your core friends. Yes or you're like a work. Yes connection then. What about like the next slob. I email or text i. Yeah what if one of them called you then. What would you feel intrusive so. I'm getting a separate phone for first degree people by the way. Just you guys on our company card just heads up. But i'm sorry we have to. Because i get literally first of all love you guys. All the worst phone calls coming in my phone. I need that to go somewhere else. Plus texts with all of our interviewees which are yes but our inner. Because i'm like hey text me will talk. So there's been one hundred fifty so like everybody has access to my phone which is great here for it but the thing is is that some people just call either way. I'm voting guilty. Because i don't want people to do that texts. I is an intrusion. An intrusion i'm going to say not guilty. Just do it do you are you you old right. I'm changing my mind. not guilty. they do it. I think it's kind of a grand gesture we need. We need more communication and texting a lotta times. Just doesn't work because you can't there's a lot of nuance guilty and it's disconnected while you really changed your mind because i kind of like it like you know someone you care about today. Don't let him get away from you. Don't taxes don't give them the opportunity to not takes you back on the them trap them right them to travel conversation. They don't want then talk out them. Yeah it's going to be not guilty for me. Being the caller can i be. I can stipulation here. Yes all say not guilty but those who are listening that no me. Don't call me all right. Well when we come back it is time for true crime in real time news segment that you're gonna learn all about if you've listened to every episode of the first degree and you're looking for something. New and amazing union need to check out the jordan. Harbinger show podcast. You need to be listening to so jordan show which apple named one of the best two thousand eighteen is aimed at making you a better informed more critical thinkers so you can get a sense of how the world actually works and come to your own conclusions about what's happening even inside your own brain so each episode is a conversation with the different fascinating guests. And when i say that there's something for everybody here. 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Oh shit we gotta talk about. This is where crimes are unfolding sort of in front of our eyes where they haven't had resolved yet so it's something to discuss. Sorta the conclusion approaches eventually. So before billy gets into his true crime in real time. I have a funny little anecdote. It's not an anecdote at all. Just have fun. Fact that one of our first he shared in the first degree facebook group. So do you guys remember the song fastball. The way yes no great song. Great sev- before the sun came. What does how does the chorus go. Walk in. Gold doesn't that that was so late nineties. Worst music probably horrific. Everybody listening probably turned the volume down a little bit. Sorry the song fastball away. One of our. I share this in the facebook group so it has a morbid true crime adjacent themed the signing. Yeah can i explain the whole kind of the song. Okay so front. Man of fast ball tony scowls. Oh came up with the idea for the song. After reading articles which described the june nineteen ninety seven of an elderly married couple lela and raymond howard so they left their home one day to attend this pioneer day. Fiddling festival where do they live. They lived in salata texas and they left to go to this festival in temple texas. I guess around there but leila has had alzheimers and raymond recently recovered from brain surgery. But they're like we're going to go. We're gonna drive ourselves to this festival. Even though you know they were dealing with some aging issues. They were discovered two weeks later. Dead at the bottom of a ravine. You're hot springs arkansas. Hundreds of miles off their intended route. So the song's lyrics revolve around this older married couple and they decided to leave their life behind packing their things and going driving without telling their children about their plans at all. Their kids had no idea where they're going. They just left for this festival. Their car breaks down during the trip forcing them to continue by foot and the chorus expresses they deal that the idea that the couple are achieving happiness by losing touch with the world even though they may may never see home again. You're thinking deep. Isn't that great. It's so it's so funny. The songs that we remember especially from our past you just sing the lyrics to having no idea like foster the people's pumped up kicks was about columbine and people are just singing that songs at parties having no idea whatsoever. It's such poppy. song fastball. The way. I never had any idea that i had such a morbid medium. All right billy. Let's get into true crime in real time. yes alright. So the most hated woman in america. Is casey anthony. And she allegedly got into a bar fight with a woman over a man they both dated first of all. She's going out in public like she's she's out. She's out in about degraded in the world and she has about it. Choosing the dots with the fight was over not like child murderer. Gus a swing and a miss. It's like no no no you. You're fighting over a man. Okay sweetie if you're fighting over a man with casey anthony up your standards like you don't want that man your also choosing today casey. Anthony there is. There's a lot of issues to impact there so apparently the woman anthony actually called the police. She dead she did and said. This woman poured a drink on her at a bar called. Oj's irish pub a dollar for every time someone spilled a drink on me or intentionally dumped during the rich woman. Yeah that's pretty. That's pretty rich that she called the police. Yeah in a situation like that and then just you know completely free out of fucking murder. Yeah so so. Police reading this from people magazine by the way people responded to the bar are police responded to the bar an interview. Both women anthony described the woman. Who whose name is thelma. Moya as an as an arch nemesis gross who was once her friend before they dated the same man. And it's you have you have millions of arch nemeses. That's the thing with with this woman mrs. You're the cops this. I can't believe an adult woman has one of those. Yes i don't have one. I actually do know the backstory behind this. I need to know. Did casey datum. I did this did thelma. Also honestly what was her last name thelma. Boya sounds a little bit like a fake name. A little bit like zanny the nanny. Whoa sounds like maybe you made it up. Zanny the nanny wanna hear more. It's because this is gonna be turned into a reality show and lifetime is it really bought. That i honestly wouldn't put it past more of tlc show sure but fat gals club similar adjacent okay. So that was. That was the first big one now. The second one is a lot. Sadder body of missing man found in a spanish dinosaur statue. We're is it. It is in a suburb of barcelona. That is so strange. It's inside of an equivalent of like a lack magnesium and for those that they've got like tar pits. It's like dinosaurs center where the dinosaurs roamed and where they sunk into the tar. Apparently so it's a big. It's a big dinosaur structure pappy mcshea. I'm sorry pappy admission amo shea yes and in fact a father and son noticed a smell emanating from the oh happy mouche figure was it. Yes is paper. I knew it wasn't read the article. No i didn't i just. I'm sorry. We p shane can withstand like an outside. They it only for so long they coat it with like that. Majd podge all gallons. Bogus would put around like a balloon so done unpopular measures can be withstand the weather shirt harsh weathers of barcelona with a waterproof glaze interesting. Now here's what happened. Local media reported that the man's come from the bbc by the way they didn't name them fight. He was trying to retrieve cell phone that and no one knew he then fell inside the statue and was left trapped upside down unable to call for help. Oh my god it was alone when he did this so die woods so senseless wreak accident had. Oh my gosh. I didn't zero malice. That's just tragic accidents like that. Those are the most terrifying things you hear about where it's like just getting your cell phone that you dropped so this guy. Oh my gosh recipe. It's awful. I feel so bad for his family last one lori valo who probably is the second most hated woman she might be the first most hated woman at this point. Yeah little bit worse you know. Yeah well two children and an ex wife her husband so in her probably her ex husband and her brother is dead to everyone who who knows who knows how. Many more fucking cyclops. So she's been found unfit to stand trial for the case of killing her two children insane. God you guys. This is something that has come up a lot like in the last few days for me in like stuff. I'm looking at you right now. it's fucked up. There's called the halo effect. Halo effect is when attractive. People receive favourable court outcomes and people can't really understand it. But if you look at the attractiveness of people coupled with you look at the attractiveness of people against their sentencing against their trial outcomes overwhelmingly attractive people get favorable outcomes. They don't get acquitted always but it's anyone else would not have gotten. They would not have been found unfit. She is so not crazy. I know she's like when she was in hawaii. She was like being caused by reporters. She's having cohesive conversations with their friends trying to cover up. she's conspiring. she's manipulating. She's lying and she knows the difference between right and wrong. So like it's just so disheartening. Because she's a beautiful woman in nats. Why she's getting this outcome. It reminds me there. Were some audio recordings of win. Her kids had gone missing and the police kept going to her house. Being like your kids and she literally talked her way out of everything. I think after one of these meetings the police so serve bothering you like please. We get it get it. It's like she is so manipulative that she can manipulate the show these cops. I'm sure she's manipulating the shit out of the judge or whoever it is to and god knows how she's i mean. She's a fantastic actor so if she is now pretending to be whatever way that she is. The thing is is that i don't think she's having like religious delusions. I think she's similar to a charles. Manson follower were. They're delusional because they decided to believe in person but that's how she is with chad debacle. Her husband like she's not incompetent. She understands what murderous she's just fucking baffling and so upsetting because their children. I mean you see. You're moving bodies out of a storage unit on surveillance. She's not to get married. She's competent to do all this other stuff. But not to be held accountable. Okay classic so those are the three stories that we have were true crime in real time when we come back. We're going to hear about the worst things that all of you have done. I know i need a change of scenery. Who else in the change of scenery right now. While pretty much everyone in the world. So it's good that apartments dot com has the most listings anywhere. We're not just talking apartments but houses townhomes condos and all manner of domiciles from the oso cozy to the did. I just hear an echo in here in with three. D virtual tours. You can search for your special somewhere from literally anywhere or from your house if you're not ready to leave yet that's okay too so stretch those fingers across a sweet sweet keyboard and change your scenery on apartments dot com the most popular place to find a place. Hi everyone this is jillian with court. Junkie court junkie is a true crime. Podcast that covers court cases and criminal trials using audio clips and interviews with people close to the cases. Court junkie is available on apple podcasts. And podcast one dot com all right. All you nadi ladies and gents doing the naughtiest things and confessing here. Your podcast i'm here for it. I have to tell you. I listened to like thirty of them today. Being like what do i want to delve. And now we have so many. You have so many and i love you guys so much for being so candid and honest about your dirty dirty deeds because we all have And i want them because we want to make you feel better about him lex. Where can they call in to send their dirty deeds. Wall jacqueline if our listeners want to call in and leave us a voicemail confessing their naughty naughty were steeds they can call us at three two three five three nine. Three five one secs. We're actually not going to give you the email option anymore. Because we want voice notes and we're getting so many calls that now we don't need to slum it with email we don't need to read them off so we send us your stuff will make you feel better about it. i promise. So we're gonna start with our first one standby gen from the thai Like i say. Wesley baggage Size really badly with raw fish thought caught the ball Without paying one day and that was this child plying up choke awfully chapter break and she came off point. Not my. you've got to if that's disgusted inside Maybe maybe not in my mind. I so i i would tell her co muskegon condition from a guy track and then i she continues to play out. I just won't touch on the shoulder inside your at walks out all. I could hear it in the background. Liu says kids screaming things in the she called us from a guy who was possibly but to horrible no faith but i thought like whoa. Yes god i love the evil instincts inside her like she didn't even think about it. She's like you know what. I'm gonna do scar this charlotte right that you couldn't write that maneuver into a movie and just you know first of all everything sounds good with an english accent. We do agree with that absolutely sweetie. You're sexy hot. And the way that she said you're it was so good. It was like jarvis saying this was like out of a movie incredible story but also the delivery was was spot on ford her. If there's an apparent standing by to say honey you don't point and you don't make remarks about people's appearance then we've got to take it into our own hands that's true you know what like i don't have kids but if i did i would be devastated if they made somebody feel that way. It's okay for kids if he curious in in do inappropriate shit. They do it. But you're you're the mom should be there mortified. Feel okay about it but you know what lady you had two parent child and you did a good job. That child learned the hard way child's gonna look back on that as a life lesson they remember al trauma after six years of therapy that could just repressed it down there. And let's me love psoriasis including kim kardashian. And let's normalize that shit. We all can't help these conditions and you shouldn't. There shouldn't be remarks at physical appearance stuff anyway. So you know what. I think you did. The right thing you were on the stand. I'd find you in a sec. Oh absolutely fantastic story. Yes next up in the worst thing you've ever done here. We go all right so here is my story for probably the worst thing that i've ever done so my first year of college. I am invited this guy to this party like other party with this guy off campus at someone's house and just slamming shots and get blackout drunk. Pretty much the only thing. I remember from that. Night is hooking up with this guy at that person's house on top of the washing machine. I don't remember anything else in that night. Don't remember how we all factors dorm room. Don't remember anything. Don't remember anyone who about that party so the next day. I'm at work. And i get this taxed saying hey is this this person number. So respondent say yeah. Who's this and i get this text back. Saying you're such a fucking hor- i can't believe you would leave and not enough your mass. How disgusting is it to leave blood. All over someone's washing machine and not clean it up so apparently during my sexcapades the night before i read a lot over this random person washing machine. And in my blackout drunkenness. Either didn't notice or today care. I was absolutely mortified. After getting this text and couldn't believe that i had left blood all over and didn't clean it up so i didn't even respond to say sorry story for probably the worst thing that i've ever done okay. First of all. Why wasn't more concerned. That maybe she had gotten murdered. Were she didn't know them but they didn't know anyone at this party. Then how did they know it was her phone number. She doesn't know but she said. I don't know a single person at this party. I only knew the guy was there with so she didn't explain how they knew was her but like she didn't know anyone at this party. You remember anyone says party so it's not clear how the number was given just straight to shaming though it looks like a crime scene doesn't insane i think the straight to shame as super fucked up because if i found blood everywhere i'd be worried about somebody that's what i'm saying like a wouldn't you be concerned about her safety even if it was a stranger. Yeah i would. And i think disparaging somebody with all the information is really fucked up and like if you're a woman to fuck and have some compassion like listen. Listen nobody is bleeding all over. Somebody's property on purpose. No we're not do. We don't do that out of vengeance. And it's a washing machine it's fabricated. How are you have a razor with a bunch of strangers. Like you're opening yourself up to this kind of thing and you know what girl men don't have to worry about this because they don't have fucking periods like word we can't be on top of it all the fun time we just can't and you know what you couldn't either. You're entitled to be blacked out and your college years. I'm glad you're safe first of all. Listen i would also rather deal with that then deal with somebody puking all over the place one hundred percent. There's nothing worse than puke or like shitting their pants all over your all. This is the best case scenario for you. Don't know i don't know you rather have some people. Some people do are really bad with blood. Not me but some people are like. That's not really a wound. Jared do you understand what you like the scene of the crime scene but then they assumed they assumed that like you're on your period. How dare you bleeding all over the place. Like literally not hurt. That's not the kind of texts you would have gotten. So all i want to say is we're in york court on your side. These things happen and you can't beat yourself up and carries her thing that meant enough to deal with. It's an added space in your head that you can't always just monitor one hundred percent and you're entitled to your party times and again i think your your point of the fact. Somebody's gonna throw a raider and invite a bunch of people that they don't know. What do you think is going to happen. You think people are gonna bring their own wine and little fancy drink and then leave at party like vat of jungle juice trying to fuck people probably the least of their worries. What happened honestly. Honestly leave her alone. She was getting hers. 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EP331: Kink Shaming, Avoiding Plastic, & Library Duty

The Brain Candy Podcast

1:20:50 hr | 2 years ago

EP331: Kink Shaming, Avoiding Plastic, & Library Duty

"No. That's what I was gonna say. I say out of here. I know that's why I thought it surprise you. But you're in some brain episode, three thirty one. Oh my gosh. Sarah, how are you? I am doing super well are you. Yeah. We got a new you. Yes. Same year. Yes. Emir knew me. Yeah. I'm getting real excited about just like being back to doing house stuff and like. Yeah. Being person being a person and everything that I've just kind of like ignored. Let go for like a million years like little things. I've needed new pillows on our bed. To sleep on first so long. And then I went changed she's the other day. And I saw Landen's pillow looked like. Good. No good. What is what happens to pull it? They get that yellow or what is that? Yeah. I don't know. It's one time was inside my body or on the outside of my body. Do you think through or is it that whatever is it coming from the inside of the pillow? Oh, shit that the duck like, like if you have had like a stain on, on an item and then you spray it with stain remover. And then if you accidents put a, you know, a blue towel on top of it. Then it will deposit that color onto the thing that happened to a pair of jeans mine, so, so jeans. Sprayed it with his brave remove stain remover accidentally put them on top of blue towel. The blue towel, soaked up the and now the blues in the white jeans. Oh, what if it's like that? What? And then it soaks up. Whatever the goose down has on it. That's gross. Right. Because how clean mean you know, they're clean the feathers. But what I don't know. But I don't think that stain is specific to down pillows, excellent point. So fair point from our Skinner, our mouth or something, what the hell is that? So gross. You know how they say that if you keep your pillow long enough that eventually. Eventually it's ninety percent human skin. Whole does. Waiting so long to do this. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I keep thinking way about how he you whenever I was talking about the but hold grinder thing. I I keep replaying the conversation how you were trying to imply that. I was like kink shaming them. Which I as Lee wasn't, and I, I was telling it to Adam and saying, like, I just wanted to get to the point of what makes for great butthole in like what is desirable? And how do you take a picture of it? And so, I was like, Sarah kept implying that I was king shaming. No, like real investigative journalism, and you were trying so hard in that last sentence, not say get to the bottom of it. I know you work because I saw you die. Saw it go through your brain. Sarah's taking the high road and won't have fun with me about, but holes anymore. I think the brink, and he's going down the tubes, so to speak. No. You know, I just. The supporter of all buttonholes in all shapes and sizes as I, I know you are too, but it is weird. Let's be real like I just I felt like oh, if we can't laugh about this. Then I think the whole premise of the podcast will end, if nothing's funny guys don't worry, we still can and the other. Oh, my God is now buried in all of my messages. But I got one of my first inappropriate like my God. It's kind of from penis. Yeah. In your instituions. Yeah. And I wanna say it was like an ad for a male escort or something. Oh, he wrote to me was he the one that said he wanted to fuck my throat to remember that? No, no. Nope. Didn't say that. He said that he does like modeling. And he'll come and do it might have been the same guy. Oh my God, I'm gonna have to go back and look I can find what is wow. Wow. But it seemed also like I was tagged with a bunch. It was. This is the other thing. It was a group message what the fuck that is not. Okay. Like, if you're going to send me they better be just for me. It's like one of those auto messages, where like just changes the first name to match yours. Side. Fix do. Do you like the dick at all or not really like the one that I saw just in general? No, I, I don't think I did. It's it was like I don't want it just feels like too much like I can't just come out I just want. I don't want just like boom, there's a dick. No, I warmed up. I do appreciate it Instagram, kind of blurs that lers it. But then when I get a blurred picture. I'm terrified. I'm mike. It's like playing it's like it's like the Jack in the box. Didn't that didn't. That didn't go. It's a it's a dick. Why do you think you don't get them more often? Do you think you send out the vibe that you are not okay with that? Yeah. My vibe just says, respect me, I bet I tweeted, it mind is non, then I don't know. No, you know if I if I, I don't know, I don't know what it is. Do you. I'm in the cute category. Nobody's like she's hot. Oh, that's cute. Will your huge in the lesbian community? Well, okay. Yes. Do you get proposition a lot by lesbians, India? No, because they're like super respectful, because we'll try yeah. Right. They're more. Like you know, they say things like like wifey material or like dream girl or like stuff that you'd love to hear God. It's just the best at his show to all my ladies out there. Yeah I'm coming. Yeah. I see their comments, and they are just really, they just are in Namur more than drooling, or kind of like sexual. That's real nice. It's very nice. I like that. You're lucky lucky lady. But I'm like, Hello. My tits are down here. I was just thinking about that. I am compiling our greatest moments. And I people on Facebook, what their favorite moments were the last three hundred and thirty episodes and that is one of my favorites is when I said that, I would I should be stripper because I'm good at me conversation, and I wrote down the other day because I was like this is so funny, I just like randomly putting on a shuffle of our show to have a laugh and I had to write down the Bollywood DVD at the gun sales at the colleges. Please God, bright that as that is my favorite thing you've ever. I don't know. It's so funny to me that the just the way you can picture. Yes. And that's the way you told that story has made dying. Also, multiple people confirmed that are stories from Brazil were were in fact areas. Oh, good. And it didn't just have to be there. 'cause we were thinking we definitely went a little too insider on that one. Now, they said it was so funny. My aunt said she was dying laughing got him. So that that's great. Yeah. Another thing. 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Download post meets and save with code brain candy. I have been using this ton in it really is helpful if you think, oh, I need some IB profit, whatever they'll bring it. Yeah. It's great. Okay. Wait. What are we talking about just then? I don't know. I got real distractive thinking about food. Okay. Well, let me move on then oh, we were talking about the greatest moments in Bollywood, and then funny things that we have said, yes, how you're hilarious. Yes. I really excited to do the clip show which I wanted to do when we hit three hundred but who cares doesn't matter. I just think they've been so many funny moments and not just funny like special meaningful. You never wanna do. Now. I would like to do a slide show at our brain candy Mita. Oh though, it'd be nice. That would be nice, wouldn't it? It's like we're getting area ex fan picks like from people who are there with us that we've totally taken at all other meet ups. Yeah. There, okay? The wheels are turning. Are saying, yes. By the time this episode airs, we will have had our party, actually. And that is for our book club, which you will have missed the book club party. But you can join the club, if you want, and the come to the next party. Yeah. Because I wanna make it a regular thing. And we have such a great group of men and women who talk about books that we read together, but also just bond and talk about life, and it's really special. Okay. Laura hurt. I read this article this morning when I was in bed about some buddy, who went tried to go week without using plastic. Oh, how'd that work? Well, just as well as you might suspect because. Yeah, it's like almost impossible to avoid it. And if you I think the articles important because you just don't think about it, even the pen, I'm using right now is made of plastic. Oh, gosh. Thing are close often have plastic in them. Our makeup has those micro beats in them. Anything with like sparkles, probably has a little bit of plastic in there. Yeah. And I've been really trying to do better about waste, and it really opened my eyes about stuff, I hadn't even thought about, like she said, one of the most difficult things to find a alternative for was mascara because the tube is always plastic. Oh and the wind. Man, there's a lot of disposable stuff that, like we have to throw a lot away. Yeah. And you can't even clean it out and recycle it. It's just. No, you can't just garbage stuff. You shouldn't clean out and recycled, just for hygenic purposes. Though. Really thing you mean all the makeup, south. Yeah. I mean, they do have more things now that you could get in a tin, and that are a little bit better. But most makeup products come in plastic. Yeah. I did just buy a, a powdered sunscreen like tinted powder. That's like a SPF forty five and mineral based, and I was real happy to see that the you can buy refills for it. You just by you don't read by the brush, and everything like that. So I'm trying to do the that more. But I could every single thing is plastic. I'm looking around and I'm every single thing that I'm looking at is I would. Not be able to use. It's funny that you brought up sunscreen. Because in addition to mass care, that was the other thing that they couldn't really find a suitable alternative for was non plastic sunscreen. All well, they can just go the refill packs like a mind. So years is a powder. Yeah. It's like a powder, and it has a brush attached to it and the brush, the powder kinda goes through the brush, in the brush disposes the powder on your face. You know, like, is it just for your face or also your body just for your face? Oh, okay. That's right. Oh, I see. Yeah. But you can I mean you can make your own. But, like who's got time for that? Well, I should hold you accountable on the air here because the other day. Miss carrying around a medal straw, because she's so anti, you know, single use plastics, I was preparing a doggy bag of banana bread I era to take home with her. And I was putting it in that reusable silicone plastic. Or what do you go, reusable baggy? You're like, don't you want to put it in one of those ziplock. What did I wasn't going to bring it back and said, I will never remember to bring this back. That's it. That's for sure hundred percent. I'm not remembering this is I can't even remember to bring the stuff out of Mike. I live with the cars, right there. I was like, Sarah to save the earth here. And you only know never remember so, like which is worse me the money you're gonna have to eventually spend on buying a new one, because I've lost it or sending me home with ziplock bag. I mean for emergency purposes, and this was an emergency. Yeah. Yeah. Banana breads always read a -mergency but it is difficult in. But since it's unavoidable that we're gonna use plastic sometimes just to be aware of it makes you think of alternatives when you can, so I think that's a start in and awareness is the thing that's so important. Yeah, I just gave my brother, a huge lecture because he came over. And you know they were like spending the night for like, four days or so. And I went upstairs go goes out of toilet paper, why didn't you say something, and my brother's like, well, I've been you. Using baby wipes, and I was like heavy flushing toilet. He's like, don't worry. I rip them up into eighths before fourths before he used them. And then it's not a problem and I was like can you just go on your phone, Google fat Berg for me and build it? And he was like. Oh my God. N being the future of mechanical engineer, that he is. He's like, well after invent something to break this up and to start like going through pipes and getting rid of this. I'm like God. Why would need people like my brother in the world because he looks at that. And it's like well I got it solve that. And throw up. I love how in your family, like you tell them what for and then they just are fine with it. You know, they're like, oh, you've really taught me something valuable that would not happen in my family. What they just dig their heels in, and they'd like to change all my God. We're like all open to learning new information from each other, and are like at any given moment, like yeah. Tell me I'm into it Leno. That's real nice. I was surprised that he didn't know about this stuff already since. He's so they're very. Yeah. They're usually really on top of that. Your family. I told Sarah, that when I saw her brother Jordan at her graduation party, I developed a crush on her brother. He's so adorable. Isn't he? I mean he is so sweet. I know he's the nicest, I want to set him up with somebody. I'm waiting to find the perfect person. Yeah. I love him. He's so sincere. And earnest, yes, that is him. I just love people like that. I said to Adam, there was no bullshit. Like you knew that what he was saying to you was just like him saying what he really feels which is totally sadly, is kind of unusual, and he's so congruent like, whatever he's feeling on the he will just share, like he, he did he my aunt, and I were talking about this too, before he went in. He just said to, we're like, oh, man. I get so nervous when I'm. In public, and like you have to go to parties like I'm just so nervous right now. And he just says it and she goes, oh I get nervous too. And then he feels better than they have a moment may share. And everybody said that about my brother like oh, just makes you feel so good. And yeah there's. Right. I told him that you had a big crush on him. And he texting back and he said, yes, I still got it mutual and he said, but then I make a really creepy face into a strange laugh. So at all I love. I'll tell I'll tell him that you said he didn't at all good to hear that you got it, dude. Another thing that will make you feel good. And is good for the planet is using a quip electric toothbrush because they only replace the head. So they'll send you a head every three months to replace. And so you're not getting new toothbrush every three seconds that you then throw in the garbage. This is a great gift for a new grad or whatever anybody in your life, because it's so cute and fun. But who's going to buy, you know, people don't think, oh, I needed to brush today. So that's why you gotta get for them. That's so smart. As the grad gift, I told my little brother who was looking for a gift for his friend who's graduating. What should I get? I get him something fancy that he wouldn't normally get for himself. But and I know that they had that all black, like mentally looking like one getting that. Oh my gosh. 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Sarah focus couple said that is super cute black and rose gold. Mm into that. He's on it. Yup. Any hurdles? What do you wanna talk about? Oh, yet it on me. I read this article about people that clean the streets in the mornings like before the commuters come into the city they clean up all the needles and the poop. Okay. That is not what I was expecting you to say that they I mean, I understand. And hopefully it's dog not human human. Oh, okay thing, please explain. It was really helpful for me. Because, you know how you know, the goal of a municipality your, you know, civic world is to kind of make these type of problems invisible. So we have to get rid of those needles, and the poop before actual human start wandering around being like wiser poop and needles everywhere. So oftentimes, we're shielded from the realities of homelessness, drug addiction, things like that. So good point. Yeah. Journalist winning and decided to spend a day with people that wake up at, like three in the morning. Get down to the city for thirty five and have to see what has been left for them by folks. And it was describing, you know how they know whether it's human feces versus animal the peanuts. Did you say the penis the peanuts? I thought it was funny, which one has peanuts. Who do you what dogs aren't shopping to challen down on peanut on trail mix? I like squirrels, you know. Oh, that would be funny. No, I would imagine squirrel is much tinier and harder to detect chew up. Those peanuts a little better. I don't think they come out. Whole. Peanuts though. I don't know. It's just what I imagine like every time. I like like cartoon cartoon picture peanuts in it. I don't know why it's weird Lord. Well, yeah, it's also the peanuts. Says, and you know, toilet paper or any kind of wiping is only of course. Yeah. And they said also got him sick warning. Also, when it's like hanging off the wall like God. I know what you mean. Yeah. Right there wall sitting, and there yet, but they Dokie they use the grabbers to get everything even cardboard, whatever. Because there's often needles underneath you. They don't wanna prick themselves. And think about let's imagine what it would be like to be homeless truly living on the street. There really aren't places to go to the bathroom. In fact, there have been times when I've just been out and about and been like, I don't know where I'm supposed to go to the bathroom, and I gotta go, and that's just something we take for granted when we're not homes, cure and these folks, they gotta go well. And also, if you needed to go, and you're dressed like you're dressed and you go into a gas station. Yeah. Bathroom. Nobody bats an eye. But if you are somebody who is housing, insecure and been living on the streets for a while. You do not. They don't let you. And right, right. You're immediately asked to leave places. And, and that's the other part of this job in these people do is that they have to go round and wake up all the homeless people and tell them to. Move. From basically outside of businesses because that's not legal. Yeah. Yeah. Business owner has to get do a business, but it's sort of like where do they go? And that's why a different article that I read about how libraries have become this sort of defacto spot for folks, that don't have homes, or that may be struggle with addiction in how valuable libraries have become too. Not just people getting books, but people that have nothing in the world except that space. It's we need like public way, more housing. I think it was somewhere in the Pacific northwest. It may be Seattle or Portland is looking to do bathrooms that have security guard and are available to homeless folks so that they have somewhere to go. They put up a I mean they're just porta-pottys. But at least it's something where, you know, in areas where there is a lot of homeless, like makeshift residence or you know, like where they're like, ten cities kinda and they've in or in the city of orange next to go to school have added a porta-pottys. Yeah. And. Nobody wants it in. It's the not in my backyard thing. Nobody wants a port a potty by their own place. But most people would agree. Oh, yeah. They should probably have somewhere to go to the bathroom. But nobody wants to be a part of the solution. Oh, gosh, it's so hard. And I it is important to see that kind of stuff, you know, it makes you think that maybe like, yeah. It's like all were pulling like, I don't know putting a cover over it. And well, that's why I'm so impressed with community planners because these people have to get in and actually way, the, the problem and the possible solutions, because you're never gonna find something that makes everybody happy. That's correct. Or that solves all the problems. So you have to kind of pick your poison and that's a really tough job. And everyone's probably mad at you all the time, but they're really doing their best. And I that's why I'm so grateful. One of the reasons I'm so grateful for librarians in the work that they do because now they have to have like frigging. Training in methadone, or whatever the heck that is stuff that can Narcan. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Luckily, it's just right up the nose. It's a nasal spray. Is it do they have just that or is there shot versions now? It's just admitted. Through the through the nasal like inhalation through nasal cavities like a little. And that's the only way I've ever seen it administered. Right. Well, thank God. But it's just like they just wanna be nerdy, and do book stuff now, they're like administering friggin overdose prevention. I couldn't I own my not so hard to do. Right. But anyway, so that was interesting. And it's something you don't usually think about so. Right. Oh, I lost her job. No, can you too. I always love that show. Dirty jobs with Mike Rowe like that. L course. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good one. So good. You know, I feel like the same with our sanitation workers like that. They're doing the Lord's work out there 'cause I don't want not wanna do that. I feel like a lot of kinship towards people who get their hands dirty and do actual hard work because the rest of us are like I've been influenced her, I have a podcast. Right. It's like oh, and I think there's nothing wrong with some. You know, my mom worked as a maid housekeeper in hotels. How was that? She said she liked it because she liked claiming. Oh, yes. She's. I'm sure she did. I don't remember any but there was like weird stuff. I'm sure but nothing I remember another thing that can help you see some weird stuff is if you get a ring security system. Yeah. Oh my gosh. You could probably prevent somebody from going to the bathroom, whether or not supposed to have one of these. 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That's ring dot com slash brain candy. Yes, I just read a crazy article. A little bit ago on I think, is on that I fucking love science dot com. That great website that was talking about how researchers have discovered a what they call the Killys he'll of cancer in broccoli. It says, yes, broccoli isn't as good for you. It also holds a molecule that could be achilles heel of cancer. This is ringing a bell. Yeah. So there's, there's a tiny molecule in broccoli that deactivates the gene, that's responsible for cancerous tumor growths, and the gene is called WW P one. And this is cancer across the board. Not a certain kind. Oh, good question. Yeah. I think it's cancer across the board. It has to do with the way, the tumor grows and so they're saying you should just eat a bunch or what? Well, it's not those things are always like you have to make sure you have read beyond the headline because in order to get the advantages of this just from broccoli, and it's like pure eating like broccoli, you'd have to eat six pounds of raw broccoli a day. Oh, Lord, imagine how gase it'd be. So what do they take a? What do they really? It's what they're what. They can do is then use this. Yeah. Molecule to then create cancer fighting drugs and isolated synthesize. Whatever the heck they do pass it, and it says that could be the key to unlocking one of the most important tumor suppressors in history of cancer genetics. So, yes. Wow. I hope they're onto something with that. Yeah, I have so too, because I always thought that it was sort of like we call it cancer. But each cancer has to be fought in a specific way. So I didn't think there was gonna be maybe a more of a one-size-fits-all thing. But if there is that's fantastic. Yeah. Nowhere in, in the article did it mention any specific kind or what they were using it on. They said that it showed to stop cancer, growth in mice and human studies cajoling promising right? I love broccoli. I don't know what the big thing is when people to I like it, too. It's yummy. And it's a great view other cheese and butter. Yes. What do they call it crew cruciferous vegetables? I think is how you say that. Do you like other ones like that? It's a cabbage kale. Yeah. Okay. Gary go. Just like those ones are they can cook the best Brussels sprouts ever. He cooks with fish sauce. They're like Thai Brussels sprouts. Moma God, sues, you would love these goes. I know how you love fish fish sauce. I do. Yom Thome the Whitney up some, what's do round here. I'll make bread and he can make me that and we'll trade world trade. I read this thing about an. You know, you've been reading a lot about how the magic of tidying up. Marie condo stuff is causing a lot of donations to goodwill and other charity shops their shops and. It was it was in slate this article, and it was saying the same thing that, of course, the show inspired a lot of people to purge a lot of their possessions, and that the donation centers throw most of it away that it's truly garbage and that the article is sort of a reminder that what we may be would should focus on now is not buying so much. Yep. Ab saw Lutely, you know, I think that's it. I God to be a little more careful about maybe looking for a used item or. You know that kind of thing. Yeah. I, I mean in so many different classes. I remember hearing like what they would always ask us like what is the most environmentally conscious car to buy? Okay and the answer. What do you think it is? Am I supposed to pick a car? Yeah. What do you think is the car that's the best for the environment? I don't know. I used one. Oh, okay. Yeah. Like, that's it is that we're all just buying these new things. And it's really like not good. Yeah. And if yes. Okay. Great purge your house. Get decluttering and organiz. But then maybe try to be a little more discerning about what to bring in moving forward. I'm trying to do that. He just as simple as when I go to a kids party like we don't need all those goody bags and stuff. Hopefully, don't, don't need stuff, 'cause it, alright, it's up in the garbage. That's why really loved your idea. On that. You, I guess you shared it, it was one of the men, who is on the real world or road rules longtime ago but of putting the making the LEGO Easter eggs of. Yeah. Purposing your own Legos. Yeah. Like there's so much stuff that you can repurpose and really, like, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Little dollar store. Trinkets, I get it kids like getting crap. But it rarely is just too much really does all end up in the landfill. So how do we? Yeah. We like I don't even think kids care if they get a frigging goodie bag, if you handed to them shirt. That's nice, but they're not waiting for. No, no. That's for sure. Just get candy for going to say I swear, it's for the parents, it totally is. But I do have like I I'm like this. And so is my sister-in-law little sister-in-law Olivia, where we both like the hunt for stuff. Like, we you give us five dollars a trip to the dollar store, and we're like in heaven and like I wanna be able to, you know. Find. I don't know. It's like a treasure hunt. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like that stuff and I like stuff, but I'm trying to be more minimal in will one thing I started doing recently was when we got our cat and. I was thinking about how back when I had cats before it was when we had so many plastic bags. And so when you clean out the litter pan you'd just use an old plastic bag, and it was like, okay, good. But now I just don't have plastic bags around. So I was like, I don't want to buy them. And so I realized that what I have to money of are used envelopes that books come in and things from Amazon. Oh, yeah. And they are perfect for putting the litter in and then great tossing. And so I am able to use something I have way too many of and not by new plastic bags just for poop and pee. Yeah. That's a really smart idea. And like, you know, even if you were taking your dog out if you have one of those soft mailers he can throw it in there. Oh, yeah. I'm always like anything that I can thing. Yeah. Even like old ziplock. Baggies that, like, you know, maybe you're banana bread. I see, like why not save some of those, and it's perfect for that you just gotta get creative and a bag that your bread comes in. Throw it in there up town of lady, we just don't think of it, 'cause we're not gonna have right another habit. 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I'm trying to think, oh my gosh and land and his chef. I'm going to just go ahead and throw him under the bus here these because he doesn't check what we already have. Yeah. And in fairness in his defense. We, we did good into this. The other day I'm reorganize IRS. So sometimes he doesn't know where I put the new back stock of, you know, whatever so I have to be better at, at filling him in on where things go, and like doing a check, and maybe even like those apps where you can share lists. And so we like, if he put something on for the grocery store, and maybe like I'm at home. I can just unchecked it. Yeah, yeah. Oh, no. We've got this like, we gotta get better stuff like that. Would you end up with much of, oh my God. I have four boxes of kosher salt, not the little ones. I don't have enough closet space for that many boxes, kosher over I need some. So. Okay. I got you. So it's like weird random things like couscous clues, which is great. But we don't goose goose that, right? That's funny of stuff like that. It's like really, really super random stuff that year like, right? You know, so. Yeah. Bring the Celtics for here. Oh, don't worry. I will the smart this picture the other day on Twitter of changing. The subject is woman, went to a city council meeting, and she decided she knits, while she's at the meetings just to keep busy. And she decided when the men's spoke, she was going to knit in green and win the women's shoes in red God. I love this. Okay. That is super cool. We had a well it was read for men's are. It was read for green for women. So it was a very red scarf in the end my God. Of course it was. It's funny because the stereotype is that women talk a lot more. And you know when they've done studies where they listen to talk day, and they count how many words women always say, more words than men, but not in those settings interesting. Now, I wonder if two we talk really fast because we have to get everything in only a certain amount of time and say it before we're interrupted. Yes. Yep. And yeah, we just talk a lot because we're silenced so much could you imagine if you're like I when I was a little kid and my mom would say, okay, we're gonna play the quiet game for five minutes. And then I play the quiet game. And then as soon as that five minutes to be up. I'd be like I have so much to tell you. Out, go nuts. Well, in things, like board meetings, were meetings city council meetings. These are the places where men want to be leaders. They wanna be seen as powerful. And so they dominate those areas and says she wanted to see a visual of it, and she was effective in that, so green and red. Yeah. Was at Christmas time maybe. Or maybe, maybe she's making it for Christmas gift. Yeah, so funny, but it was very more like Valentine's Day. Yes allred. I what? Idea idea. Can we call her a genius? She is a genius genius for thinking about that. Right. But loved that it and then taking this very like stereotypical feminine activity. Yeah. Right. And usually it to highlight the ways that where you know, there's gender inequality. Oh, cool. Cool, cool. I thought I haven't read the article yet, but I saw a headline about. How scholars have begun studying stereotypical feminine things such as knitting? That had been previously Nord because they're women's activities, and the importance of certain things that have been largely ignored by scholarship, because we tend to focus things that men prefer, like sports. Yes, you know, so more likely to have the history of basketball than the history of knitting. Yeah. In. So I look forward to reading the article because I just from reading the headline you know, this is up my alley. Yeah. You know, I want to hear more about the implications of things that are under studied. And how they impact our lives and whatever. And like what could there's, there's this adorable little kid who is like, calls himself, the world's fastest minute or, or something like that? He's like ten years old. And it's so cute. And he is this crazy. Good knitter, and he talks about how it's like who cares? If people say it's girl thing, like I don't care. I'm like. Doing something I love and I'm really good. I'm learning all this great stuff. And he just had some really cute. I think I sent this to you to really it was so long ago on my gosh. But it was like one of those little inspirational like Instagram videos, something, and just the things he was saying about how it didn't matter what other people thought, if it brings you joy you should do it. And he gets better and better at it every day. So why would you wanna stop doing something like this? And like we should all be more like this kid and talks about how oh, and he said, what he wants to be when he grows up is a surgeon, and how this is the best thing to keep his hands really strong and to be a really good surgeon when he's up come so cute. I wonder who taught him. I think his grandma. That's awesome. Yeah. You so cute. I love stuff like that. I know good most precious. I'm after find that video and put it on my Instagram again. Did you see that guy who had was probably in Florida? I don't know why I think they always go right? He had a sticker on the back of his truck with just said, I eat ass. Oh my God. I have seen these you. Yes, what I have seen this Dicker in real life. What is the point of putting it on your car? I don't know. It's weird. Was it a truck? Yeah. I believe so and he got pulled over and the policemen tried to give him a ticket for profane language on his car, but then he sued and fought it, and what they found in his favor. He believed that it was protected under the first amendment, and that he should be able to have free speech and say that he likes to eat out. Okay. I understand that is first amendment, right? But I'm trying to think if like if you walked around with a t shirt that said I, I e s nobody would like you get some looks but you probably wouldn't get a ticket. Yeah. Maybe though, I don't if it said the rules about that. And like where do we draw the line because I have a shirt that says, I can't believe I still have to protest this shit and shirt has profanity on it, but it's in a different context. Right. You know, even though I, I, I agree with his right to eat whatever body part of the woman as long as it's consensual, or Mannix or man. Oh, good point. He totally, you know, maybe that maybe he's the one who's really interested in this. He's like I said, I eat ass. I would really like to make sure that the dining table is cleaned off. So maybe it's the guy. Right. So that's okay. Yeah. In just happy for him that he's found his passion, 'cause how much you'd really like you, like eating asked to make it a sticker and put it on your phone or is he just one of those kind of people who's looking to stir the pot and be like or tossed salad as it were. Oh my God. Saddam. Right. Oh, good. That's great. Yeah. That there you go. I think that I can kind of picture who this is. And what he listens to hardcore Museu like there's anything wrong with that. But he definitely does. And he's just like the anarchists who's just looking to push the envelope. Yes. Well, I yeah. Eat ass or whatever you do. Eat you probably aren't getting all the vitamins you need. There's definitely not enough vitamins and asks. And. For ritual. They're going to be like Susie. This is not what we had him on ritual vitamins are awesome. I and I were saying how this is the longest we've been able to continuously, take vitamins because usually, I do it because I believe I should. 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And she wrote a book called from scratch, it's her memoir. And it also happens to be Reese, Witherspoon book club pick for all. Loved it. I'm in right? And I'm so happy for her because I believe this is the first book, she's written. She's an actress, she was in dumb, and dumber to lots of other lots of TV shows, and she wrote this book, because she's in African American woman who fell in love while she was visiting Europe with a man from Italy, and her his family didn't approve, and they got married anyway. And so that was difficult. And then he unfortunately got sick and passed away. And so this is a love letter away in to honor his memory and it's just about love. And when you're a caregiver for someone who's sick and then dealing with grief, and then his he happened to be a chef. And so a lot of it is about the healing power of food, and the ways that yeah. Food, family and friendships can sustain us as humans. And it's a beautiful book. I really recommend it and she's really fun. Lovely person, and choose Superfund to interview, and we're happy to have her on the show. So I hope you guys all checkout. Her book from scratch, and please, welcome to the show. Tembe lock welcome to break any podcast. Congratulations on your amazing book. My gosh. Thank you so much. Thank you for inviting me. I'm happy to be here. Heck, are you feeling about everyone reading your life story? Man. Okay. Loaded. Question. I have all the feelings, which is what have I said into motion. Oh my gosh. My kids. Oh my bread parents, too. I mean, it's my dad. Yeah. It's kinda where you know, when you're writing your in the space, which, you know, as a writer, my job is to bring all of my flaws vulnerability joys, you know, let you into every aspect of my psyche. Right. And then I do that on the page this other piece that as a first time writer. I don't think I really got then there's been share now they're share, and those are really two different things rates. And when you're writing a book, you spend a lot of time alone, and you're very introspective. I imagine and then now everyone wants you to talk about it. None stop. Yeah. They do. Feeling like I have regrets. I don't really have regrets. But I have to really like internally check in with myself, right? And then also gave myself the path that like what I said everything I wanted to say in the book, and if there's a question I don't. I kinda don't have to. Yeah, that I voted I am vited you into this. I mean, you, you do the but I mean, like whomever and so I don't I kind of have given the part that I wanna give now extra. And if I don't feel like giving any exit. That's okay. That's okay. Because the really the work the joy the deep stuff is in the. Yeah, right. It's in that journey of traveling there and the joy for me within the love. The I do love parts of this year, too, don't get me. Wrong is very fun. You know, but sometimes I'm asked questions, which are the deep dive into the harder parts of the book. Right. Right. Draining. But I bet it's really cool to hear from folks who can relate and share experiences that you've had that must be really gratifying. View of new idea. It has lifted me that part has, like, so yes to your point of writing alone, you know, sort of solo isolated experience, and now this piece, and I get like on social media or the Email, or the comments. You know, which I haven't been reading all by choice, but some things have come through, and I've been like, oh, my gosh. I got this, you know, sort of Twitter exchange with a woman whose dad was from Cyprus nother Linden. The Mediterranean, mother African American. Every summer as a child on Cyprus with her grandparents. She shared with me. How her parents grandparents never really accepted her mom? Now when I have to write my story, would I have ever could have ever imagined a world in which someone hearing? And she said, I wanna give my mom your book for mother's day because I could see she could see her mom's journey in a different way. And she was also connecting to it was just so, yes, the shares the way in which aspects of my story, or intersecting with other people's lived experiences and to the degree that they want to share that with me or the grease to which I can, we all can see how we're really not alone in any like, there's no single experience that I have in that book that a million other people haven't had a degree. Do you know what I mean? It's the fact that it I mean, we all are walking these complex path day, and we're navigating so much. And yet often we feel very alone. And I know grief makes feel alone. I definitely and caregiving, the caregiver that is a very, you know, motherhood can even feel isolating right? Oh my God. Especially new motherhood, forget it. Oh. You set out to write this book did was it an act of courage or was it for you, like, yeah, this is just me being me and no big whoop. Oh, honey. I had to put on my courage underpants every day worn under each day to write this book. No. No. Okay. This a an act of bravery on new plane on a level that I constantly ask myself, why did I seek to? Knew that in order to do it. Well, and in order to do it essentially truthfully, I had to go there and to go, there means to be brave in every sense in the sense of being brave. In terms of sharing the vulnerability. I'm a first time, right? Or like is this all going to like technically come together? Can I actually carry a narrative from page one to pay to ninety seven right? Good at it. I don't get it. Thank you. You know that's the piece, I think, what I gave myself permission to just mess it up. By the way, we have I had, like so many drafts and worked with the very loving, and great editor, who saw the story because I and, you know, I can share very directly like the draft my original manuscript, that I gave her with, you know, it was a hundred pages, too long, like thirty thousand words to long do. So it was it, what it was. It was kind of all there. But it was it was it was a mess. I mean not a total mess but enough of. But it was offense and it was real and had needed to have. And so that was just getting to that point was huge. And of course, then I had to sort of read do it all. I mean, I think writing is an active Raver I think showing in life is an active bear. And then showing up on the page is another active bravery. Story when you telling your own story, and, you know, choosing to be brave about the places where things weren't so nice or these the or brave about the deep emotional stuff or the shadow feelings, right? Or the ways in which I wish I'd done something differently. Yeah. I always talk how regret to me is the scariest and worst feeling. And if you have to. You're writing through and working through all this stuff and you have to just go for it. That's scary man. Yeah, but you know what? You just said, which really resonates idea of regrets. I did reach a point. And I think this, what this is actually I'm glad you said that because it's one of the driving sort of energetic forces for me. I reached a point about five years after sido past where I was approaching that fifth anniversary. And for people who've walked the path of losing someone deeply close to five years, sort of marker, brain out there in loss. And there was something about that aniversary approaching. And I knew that if I didn't write this story, I didn't attempt to commit to page by didn't attempt to express it. I was feel a deeper grief, and I would regret it. I would regret having not tried not tried, you know, need a had to just sort of let me just go for it. Yeah. And so I did wanna live with that regret. And I didn't wanna live with additional grief and oil. So course wanted to create a kind of. I was deeply at that point. I felt really strongly that I wanted my daughter to have some kind of a love letter or like a legacy, it'll mosh to her dad, and very specific time in our lives went to she think of the book. Oh, gosh. She's fourteen. Fourteen now. So I will not speak for her. I will say that I think she did say she did say she's told me, she's proud of me, which okay? Doesn't get better than that. Doesn't. She is also kind of old or is a couple of times. Talking about. Are we still talking? Out, like not even a month. And it was funny because I, I recorded the audiobook for. And she came into the studio one day and, and she heard part of the recording. One of the things she said to me, was, she was, like, so, wait a minute. You mean people are gonna listen to talk? Okay. It was funny. Yeah. I do think she is. I do think she is pleased about it read it cover to cover. I've shared parts of her parts of it with her. And I think she she will come to our own time, when she's ready, and it will live with her as you know, she might differently at seven, teen as opposed to twenty five and thirty five and forty five. It will mean something different different stages of her life. That's a really good thing for her. She might not even realize that's really special that she has it forever. I think so. I hope so. I hope that. Yeah. Yeah. So when motherhood right, you know how when you are reflecting on a memory and they say that every time you access a memory sort of shifts bit, and it's kind of fluid, even though you would think that a memory is fixed and I was wondering when you're grappling with all of this story, and you're writing it down. And people are reading it, it seems like it would change over time. Is that accurate at all? I feel like that's actually very accurate. And I think I think one of the challenges in memoir, right? Because I didn't give them moment. We are where we are in our memory, and one of the things that I really had to confront in terms of writing a memoir and grief. Is that in losing my husband half of my memories were hijacked? Yes. Right. So the person with whom I shared half of these memories is gone. So now I really felt sort of, you know, almost handicapped degree, you know this. Okay. Can I remember all of this? You know, did I get this? Right. Which made me kind of go to source material, which were letters and looking calendars photographs trying to sort of recall. Right. Because at first glance I might think. Oh, yeah. It happened this way. And then I would go to a letter. Oh, wait. I this. Yes, you know. And so, so there was that process of sort of just trying to excavate the memory and then make sure that I was being, you know, really. You know, sort of honest to it. But then your own it'd be honest is filtered through me. And and I realize, I'm just going to have to white right at the way. I remember it. Right. And it's interesting because, like there was a part in the editing process, where I came across something and oh, my gosh. I actually think I remembered that differently. You know what I mean? Like I some detail that in the editing process, where I thought something was in one place, but it was in another place. And I kind of woke up in the middle of the night like my detail. Oh, you know, sweating bullets and then I thought, wait a minute. It's a memoir and it since his how it didn't change the anything materialize Ori, certainly was. Just I realize, oh, memories fickle. Isn't that Miller? It's thick oral. And now I have will have the memory of the writing of the memory would get another memory removed. Mega. That's a little bit of the matrix there. Right. It's pretty wild experience. I can't even imagine. But I was so impressed with as a reader, I felt like I was there and I felt like I was watching your story. And it's I think that's why it's resonating with Sony people. It's really moving to feel like you're with someone in a moment, and I'm so impressed with how you accomplish that. I don't even know what my question is. I just wanna say, that's awesome. Thank you so much. I you know, I've been thinking about that one and I and, and someone asked me recently separate question about my actor, right? And I was sort of going into answering about it, and then I reflected after, you know, a little later, and I said, oh, you know, I really think being an actor and a lot of ways help me to put people put the reader really in my body in the because I think of things in my body for I mean my job as an actor is right? Is to bring to light. The human experience through movement behavior my instrument. My cicle instrument is my craft. Right. And so when I went to a different medium like the page and writing I feel like unconsciously I sort of carried all of that over to the page. Right. And I kept an, the other thing is because the book has so many sensory details about. And place that I really knew I had to kind of try to give the reader as much of what that felt like and smelled like and looked like because I wanted to keep them present right with me each you know. And so it was I didn't always know I was doing it consciously but I can see now, you know, on this side of it, I'm like, oh, I really think that part of being actor helped being having the married to a chef and like trying to recreate the flavor profile and really explain what that is like, really for someone who's never ever seen that. How do I do that on the page? Ask myself questions, many, many, many times, because I knew some people never case that are we'll never go to that place. And yet I, it's my do know that it's our job as writers is to transport the reader there. That's why I was hoping to you, you say that you accomplished it, and it was a sensory experience for the reader, and I'm so. Impressed with that. And obviously, as you said food is basically a character in the book, and from the beginning to end because your husband's Sheffi crew, he may he kind of wooed you using talents. And then after he passed food than awakened you again. Wondering how do you how do you explain that? What the heck is it about food that does that to us? Oh, gosh. I feel like it's been a lifetime trying to rule that out one of what I mean. Because I think the book was sort of me trying to answer that question. Right. And in a certain sense, because one, I mean, let's just be the most, basic, you know, sort of cellular biology level, we need it to live. Right. So, and we engage in it the gli, you know, three times a day, right? We're gonna have so at three times a day were sitting down, and we're being asked to engage with our palate. We're being asked to nourish our bodies and then having been married to a chef what got layered into to my life and my understanding of my fears mood is also in communion with, like the planet and nature food, and at and where this from and the season right? Because, you know, the tomato January does not take tomato in all such doesn't taste. Right. And like Steph is like, yeah, we're skipping tomatoes in January not. Doing. Doing it. So, so, and then I would remember when I would eat tomato January like and it wouldn't taste right after the after his passing and I'd be like, oh my gosh. That's why. Because, you know, like you start re the memory comes right in immediately. Right, the memory of every time you had a tomato, and it, you know, it didn't taste, right. And the times did pace right? And so all of a sudden, there's like no separation our psyche between, you know, the pleasure or displeasure of food and the Murray and a person because often, we're breaking bread with another human and, and, and what that feels like from our earliest, memories of being fed by mom, you know, to certainly, I think in grief, the fact that we I didn't want to eat. I couldn't really eat had no taste to it. And that was another kind of loss for me a having married to a shop. The fact that food tasted like shit, and I did want it was like I had a I had a whole new release ship with it because. I was missing his cooking. I was eating with him next to me and the conversation just eating alone. Like suddenly, I was eating alone after not eating my daughter when she was home for dinner, but during the day getting by myself, and which may seem very like normal and pedestrian midday people. But from that was not normal in my life, those three times a day, I had to confront his loss at a different way because he was a chef in a way that you've been a lawyer or. Something else, you know, or steel worker who knows to do, but I eat to open my refrigerator, and I'd be like oh, you know, why isn't the milk in the police that it should be do you know what I mean because he would put it there. His knife. Everything about moving about my kitchen, and you know, everything was just different. So it was very couldn't escape it. And I had to score my way back and that's part of why found myself in Sicily. Was that way of trying to escort my way back to those most to, to, to healing and food and flavor at it's essential at its most essential. When I I'm sure a lot of readers were like me at the end where you're just like thinking, I wanna Email this food, and then you did all of us a favor by. This guy some recipes to make these beautiful dishes. That's genius. Oh, gosh. Well, you know, I always felt like it would be wonderful to have recipes in the book and you get this, like, and I didn't wanna cause like it's not a cookbook. You was trying to sell the book proposal, proposals like no I don't really want like a recipe at the end of every tapped her. It's more like I really want people to stay in the story. But then this is like a button at the end of the book, it's like a bonus. Right. It's like maybe I was just coming to me now, but like, you know, you watch great film. And then if you wanna watch the director's comments. Like it's sort of something like that. You know, I always and I wanted sought os. Way, I wanted his food to be very present as well, my mother-in-law. Yeah. Just so I felt like I didn't I didn't know how to execute it and then I was like fine. I'm just gonna put them at the at the back of the book and it reminds and I was always really influenced early by book, like water for chocolate, though, is like family narrative, with food, of course, there's this done in, you know, the narrative is like every month, and there's, you know a with twelve and twelve recipes, but this is different. So I just. Yeah, I I like it. And I like the fact that reader's are telling you know, I made this for my kid and we had it Louis delicious. Oh my gosh. It's the best. I tried this, and it's great and we're having a party and I mean come on, like with everybody in their kitchens, all around America right now. I mean that's pretty darn cool. It's cool. I'm never been in the position that I had to be a caregiver. I have a son, but I've never had anybody who was sick in that way. And I was wondering, for you personally, as you're caring for someone for a decade, obviously, it changes, you cellular -ly were, you aware of changes in you or does that happen after where you reflect on it? Yeah, I woke aware that things were changing, you know, in, because it certainly I mean, and sometimes, I couldn't tease out, what was just like, because it was over ten years, what was driven by caregiver was driven by the fact that I was also into a different decade of my life. Right. Thirty one when he was diagnosed, so who I was at thirty one is gonna be different than I was at forty one even if there had been no caregiving, right? And I also became a mother in the midst of all of that. So I also motherhood change me. But the civically I was aware that caregiving, I the first place, I really noticed it was around in our relationship, and our marriage, like it's sort of changed the DNA of our marriage. The change the dynamic, they did not the DNA, because the DNA was locked and loaded solid. And I think that's how we were able to really navigate that decade and be actually more in love and deeper, friends, and more connected. Because we were really solid from the beginning. However, what it did change, you know, and I think I can speak bluntly with, you know, the brain candy podcast. Ages. You know, sexuality it changes your roles in your marriage, a lot changes. So I could see there necessarily unlike the kind of wife, I thought I was versus the kind of wife, I was being asked to be where I would push back where it feel resentful where I was more willing to clock for myself, who was I because I was asking something incredibly great of me, incredibly expansive of me. And sometimes I was, you know, I did want to do it someone. I didn't. And I wasn't through who that made me. And then like on a physical of those are tired a lot. I felt like my body was changing. I just felt like really warned down. You know I just like I couldn't exercise as much, you know, I just was in the throes of it. And of course, over a decade, you know, there it ebbs and flows. There were times when, you know, things were a little more normative, right? And then there is really critical for like months on it. You know. And I guess I part of when I began writing was during that process. And I think, in some ways that was the way I was trying to monitor or check in or understand the changes that were happening my life by writing about it, like, writing actually told me, how I was feeling because it's too big that have out in a conversation, and there were certain things I couldn't take him to talk about right? No, you know what I mean I needed to kind of handle them, either with my therapist or on the page or with a friend, and then I took it but I couldn't I couldn't just dump off load all kinds of feelings on him because he's having his own, and he's in chemotherapy. You can't do that. You know it's too much. And by the way, same thing with heads. So we learned over a period of time that we eat, come had to of we always had a baseline of we're going to be honest. We're not going to withhold but I don't have to hold right? This moment, and maybe I need to process this before speak it. Yeah. Well, that's a tough one. I'm not real good at that. It is tough. Credibly. Artwork. It's amazing. The hard work on top of the hard work in the book. You say love required. More than I felt I was capable of doing. And I think we can all relate to that feeling but you demonstrated the way that love is a verb. It's a command to rise and you did. And I just I think it's so inspiring to the rest of us who get to enjoy the story now and your relationship and the love that you have with your family, and how about how your super fancy and like Reese Witherspoon all singing your praises. Ted we discuss can wait this Gus like I mean, come on. Right. When she made that announcement on Instagram. I it's like one of the things I will always have been but the day. Doing in the kitchen. I'm like, I go underway Instagram res and she her name my name came out of her mouth, and she's holding the book and I was just sort of like it was surreal and I it and I laughed and I felt this immense gratitude. And, you know she such an incredible human. Yes. Is incredible storyteller as an artist as a producer, as you know, I it just in life. And so I just feel so honored that one, the story touched her heart resonated with her to that then to choose to say let's share this. I feel like this needs to be shared with the world. And I mean, come on, you know, she's just I mean, her since of women's empowerment, and that the whole sense of hope and uplift. And like the fact that she's real, she's a she real is real. We have a bad. It's not like we're besties in east. My sense of her. Always prior to this was its own sheets. She's real people real and, and, and what she's choosing to do with our company around work and the book club. It's just the diversity of the story, he's telling really asking people to be empathetic, and think broadly and deeply about what matters and also the United of change, and now you're like in the cool club dang. Oh, gosh. Does it make? Are you like too late? Now I'm like, I'm just like trying to figure out how to get my laundry. I love it. We have one question. We ask everybody at the end which is what do you keep in the trunk of your car? If you have a car. Okay. So have a swag, and, oh, so I had a big space back there, which is effectively, a trunk I have. I'm very LA. So I haven't earthquake backpack like we have uh four year old food in it. It will never helped me. And yet I feel since surprised that I have quote unquote the earthquake kit in the trunk of my car. I have discarded trader Joe bag shopping bags. Yes, because obviously need those to go to the market, right? And I had a sun hat and a yoga mat? Oh, I have not used in. Late. Like take it and do yoga in the park somewhere and never happened. It's fair. Maybe they'll do it this afternoon. I like how prepared you are. Picture. It kind of is. I think I do come by that from caregiving, contingency planning apocalyptic planning that. But then I don't I don't have the time in the band. With update the food is four years old. Sex thing out me. Nola bars, or they can't goods. What are we dealing with? No. I had my quinoa. I think there's some there's my daughter camps a lot with her school. So there's like some freeze dry food that I might work water. I mean if a lot and they always say it was very funny. The experts on earthquake kits in LA say haven't extra pair of shoes because if you're cross town, right? And you have to like, get to the other side. And if you're in heels, because you were just at a meeting, you're not gonna walk across town and heels and you're going to need another pair of shoes. So I had old sneakers that look so beat up and sad. No. They say through the also I like before I was like, oh, just donate those oak, no put him in the back of my car. My car looks a little bit Anna's like there's a lot happening in the back. There's a lot going on there, which kinda tells you a lot about where right that's theory about the trunk question. It always reveals where people are, and you do have a lot going on in your trunk, and otherwise. So I. It's. True. I hope everybody reads your book from scratch, it's phenomenal. Obviously, it's beautiful. You're so talented. And I hope you're I know it's chaotic right now but I do hope you're able to really enjoy and breathe it in and enjoy just this moment. Oh, thank you so much. And I am. And luckily, I'm blessed to have people around me who are like, hey, let's just go take a walk, you know, and the that's really great. And I'm so pleased with them. Yeah. Thank you guys are the bed, and I feel so happy that we got to me to thank you so much. And keep up the good work. This podcast is brought to you by we've podcast network. Check out all of our shows, including the brain candy podcast. I don't get it coffee condos, and let's talk about it.

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Military Announces $2 Million Research Initiative To Find Out How Mother Of 3 Kathy Summers Able To Do It All

The Topical

05:09 min | 1 year ago

Military Announces $2 Million Research Initiative To Find Out How Mother Of 3 Kathy Summers Able To Do It All

"Getting up at five am to make personalized lunches every day for three. Rowdy Boys Juggling after school baseball practices in piano lessons with her own rigid work schedule and still managing to coordinate the after school. Potluck with a big smile and abrasive attitude forty one year. Old Mother of three Kathy Summers can do it all. And that's why military officials are putting two million dollars into a research initiative to better understand. Just how she does it. Just think of what American combat would look like of our soldiers have the strength of Kathy. Summer's on a weekend when she's got to soccer tournaments a book club and a whole host of tulips to bland on the docket. Our military would be unstoppable from the young intern onion public radio. This is the topical on your host Leslie Price and if you thought you were going. GonNa make it through the day without having to hear any news. We'll the new wrong back in a moment. A new two million dollar military initiative was approved by Congress today to study the biological makeup of forty one year old Kathy Summers of Des Moines Iowa Officials. Believe the mothers impressive ability to care for her three energetic children. While still carving out enough mommy time to keep her from pulling all her hair out might have countless applications in the US Army. We are interested in many aspects of Kathy's makeup from her ability to check off every item on her daily to do list while still fitting in a spin class to her ability to never look day over twenty nine even after having three kids in five years. Although you wouldn't know it with her slim and perky figure she's a remarkable species that was military spokesman Major General Kent Williams at a press conference this morning joining us now with more opie our reporter. Marcy Hammond Hi highly so Marcy Kathy Summers. I'm hearing reports that she is a machine. Well Leslie military officials. Think she's a game changer. Especially when you consider that she basically subsists off almonds and food scraps that she nibbles on while making meals for three boys and husband Landen. How does she stay on her feet all day? Long going hundred miles per hour without a break in sight I mean even our soldiers come home from deployment. Military is frankly blown away by her stamina especially when she's staring down at night when her boys need to be picked up within the same thirty minute window but are on opposite sides of town. And there's nothing to eat in the refrigerator except for vegetables which her boys hate. She doesn't let that get tour now. She just turns the ending into a smoothies and movies. Night and sneaks in the boys nutrients without them knowing. I mean it's really exceptional. Oh man if we had someone like earned the seals I bet bin Laden what surrendered on September twelfth. Yeah experts are baffled and intrigued by your raw unflinching stamina and ability to adapt. I mean Leslie. We haven't even talked about the fact that by all accounts. She seems great in bed and has no problem. Keeping her husband's is from drifting to their hot neighbor. Raquel which no other mom in the cul de sac can claim. That's for sure. Well I think we should send center overseas right now. Thanks for the report marcy that's OPR's Marcy hammonds. If you have a few minutes to spare it'd help us if you fill out the short listeners. Survey it'll let us learn more about our audience which helps us sell the ads. That keep this podcast free. You can also share your opinions about the show so we know what you think is working and what we could do better. Please go to. Www DOT topical dot show to fill out the survey thanks. I've got about eighty five pounds of pork shoulder in my freezer. That ain't GonNa Barbecue itself so let's hurry this the hell up. Here's what else you need to know today. The VA is looking to improve veterans healthcare by installing a new five hundred million dollar waiting room representatives from the. Va said their new state of the art. Waiting Area with plush seats and reading rooms will provide veterans extra comforts before their physical and psychological issues are never properly dealt with or completely ignored and folksy experts have discovered a significant correlation between thinking. You've got it all figured out and having another thing coming to report found that almost one hundred percent of you know it alls walking around like you know everything about everything. Better Watch out before someone gives you what four and finally Gerber has made an inclusive choice for their most popular campaign announcing this year. Gerber food products will be featuring a photo of their first-ever adults Gerber Baby. His name is mark. Nowak for Muncie Indiana. He weighs in at two hundred thirty seven pounds and this year he and Gerber are out to show that being a baby doesn't have to be defined by a congratulations to everyone involved. Arc's a real cutie. And that's it for the topic on this Memorial Day. I'm leslie price if you enjoyed today's episode. Why not honor your men and women behind the microphone by saluting us with a subscription wherever you get your podcast and don't forget to tune into tomorrow's episode where we'll have the heartwarming story of one high school senior. Who thought her prom night was ruined after her school canceled the big dance. That is until her amazing fifty five year old gym teachers save the Nineteen showed up to her house to stare at her from a phone. You won't want to miss it.

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 K-State/Kansas fight that will surely lead to significant suspensions and fallout  Emergency Podcast (1.21)

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21:32 min | 1 year ago

K-State/Kansas fight that will surely lead to significant suspensions and fallout Emergency Podcast (1.21)

"On Tuesday night college basketball had its most notorious moment in fighting since two thousand eleven when Cincinnati and Xavier had a brawl during the crosstown. Shootout staffer emergency podcasts. Let's do it. Welcome back into the eye on college basketball podcast. This is an emergency episode being taped late. Tuesday night I'm your host Matt norlander. GP Gary Are- is in the studio for CBS. Sports Network. Data triple headed on Tuesday night and then they've got inside college basketball after that. He's not getting back to his room to close to two. Am Eastern time. I'm going to try and get to bed before that and then we'll wake up early. You will have another usual as scheduled Wednesday episode waiting for you in the feed later later on. But let's get to the big news on Tuesday. And that was the ugly scene there in Allen Fieldhouse as many of you listening have obviously seen in in fact. I guess if you're listening to an emergency podcast you have every single person listening to this. At least seen the highlight once. But you have Silvio Desouza. Kansas bringing the pulp the floor and just time is about to expire. It's garbage times garbage. Time and Doin Gordon goes for a steel tries to get a layup. Dissociate gets back. He swats the ball. He Towers over Gordon. who was on his back at that point and then you have Cartier Jarrah of Kansas state coming over getting physical and then things get completely out of hand and the situation in flames in an instant? Where you have disowned Kansas state players off the bench Kansas players fleeing from the other side of the floor and the fight and yes. This was a fight multiple punches thrown spills bills over into the stands and we are fortunate that no one so far as we know as recording this podcast in the eleven o'clock eastern hour here on Tuesday night was injured. That was there watching the game but obviously a bad look for college basketball And I'm already annoyed by the takes about the outrage police. The people that have immense outrage are just as bad as those who wanna get on their high horse and say that this is just nothing we can move on with our lives. No there was a hideous look for college basketball. You can't have players spilling billing into the stands exchanging blows on both sides. desouza picks up a stool. It's not perfectly clear whether it Kansas Assistant Jaren soured or anyone else was able to get the stool out of his hand or if he dropped it of his own volition but obviously desouza most notably and notoriously is going to get hit hit with a significant suspension. Will wait to see. If that is decided on Wednesday the next steps will take from here. Is Kansas State and Kansas will decide which players are going to get suspended and for how long the big twelve also going to review this video both of the officiating level and obviously at the League office level and we wait to see who will get suspended and for how long the suspension will be the most similar recent incident that you would compare this to would not be the Grayson Allen stuff for as much for all the headlines and the melodrama that came with the Grayson Allen experience at Duke it was always and by the way those things of course were fifty times larger fifty thousand times larger than this us. But it was always usually Grayson Allen in one of the guy this is a full fledged brawl and Marcus Smart. At Oklahoma state. He received three games for going after fan in the stands after the Fan said a racial slur to him. That was a one player incident last team on team thing like this You had a bad situation in the whack a few years back between Utah Valley and New Mexico Toco state. I would argue. That was really one of the worst ones ever now. Because it's a whack game and that was in twenty fourteen It's some it's gotten lost to the ages there because it's not big schools. That was bad one and then the one that everyone's talking about obviously this compares to is the crosstown shootout the ZIP up game same. Cincinnati and Xavier that caused that rivalry to be taken off of home court venues in onto a neutral site for a couple of years but for comparison sake as we wait to learn on Wednesday Thursday who will be suspended for. How long win? The suspensions came down with the crosstown shootout. You had. Six Games was handed out to Octavius. LLC Gates Does Wells and Landen Amos Xavier got four games mark. Lyons at two to Holloway. Had One Couple of other sensitive players. Also receive suspensions. So we'll wait and see Takes before the suspensions come down then they will come down and then people will say this is is enough this is not enough etcetera etcetera. This is you know a terrible look for college basketball. A A weird night by the way in college basketball just in that Walter McCarty was officially fired at Evansville. And then that's just completely toddler gliders hired in his place so that was the first thing and then Illinois wins at purdue and continues it's terrific season but Illinois had a player who came off the bench Alan Griffin who went Christian Leitner in that game was collected and then the Kansas can't state stuff just storms in you know in just overtakes everything there so from what we saw you know. What do you say but obviously college basketball doesn't need? This remotely is a fight in college basketball game the worst thing in the world. Of course it's not the worst thing in the world but you can't condone this. You can't say this is good for the sport you don't want any kind of physical altercation that is just carrying over into the stands. Like this I do think there's a big difference between fisticuffs between two dudes or four dudes and it's in the paint on the court and when you actually get into where you know students or other people are sitting her bill self say afterward that this was actually going going on near where some of the disability seeing was so we are fortunate again as far as we know as a recording of this podcast that no one was seriously hurt or injured. Obviously the players players afterward did not speak to the media. That's the that's the right call. I do have some quotes from both coaches and what they said to the media afterward Bill Self said quote. There was a role that was played by our players. I gotTa Watch the tape and see all angles. But I know we were in the wrong. I'm not saying both parties weren't in the wrong but I know we were in the wrong end quote another one he says I was shaking hands with Bruce Meeting Bruce Weber. I didn't even know it was a male until three or four seconds after everybody was out there that was an embarrassment on our part for the role that we played in end quote another one. My initial thoughts are that without knowing everything that went down it was obvious we played a role in what transpired and there will be penalties for them. And then the fourth bill quote was it happened in the handicapped seating. If you're GONNA do something at least take it on the court. It's ridiculous that they would go into the stands. I haven't heard if anybody injured. But you're asking the wrong person. Now as for Bruce Weber he said he did not see most of it because of the handshake with self and so you just whereas the video showing the the the assistance bill self in the thick of it that was not the case as with Weber. Even though the Kansas State bench was closer that side. That's because whoever was walking in the opposite direction whereas bill was walking toward Weber toward the Kansas state side. Here's what ever said. I have no idea I didn't see anything. I'm disappointed at ended that way credit to them that kicked our butt in so many ways and quote. I he's obviously not being facetious. facetious there he's talking about the game. Play another weber quote. I was going to shake hands. It's probably my fault. I had told them not to press. I had told them not to fell the kids. A young guys. They WANNA play hard. They were disappointed frustrated. But you've got to handle it right and that's pretty much all. He said in regard to the incident overall. Now one thing and maybe this'll be something that's surfaces when we get to Wednesday in the morning and the afternoon but one thing I found interesting in the aftermath of all of. This is what I haven't seen mentioned and I'm not saying that this would have happened if the prior incident hadn't happened but we we do have another situation at Kansas this season. That could have prompted something like this. Do you remember her early. In the season in November we talked about it on the PODCAST monness. George Pappas gets the garbage time steele gets the donkeys. He's showing off and it becomes like a funny thing and say it's classless and all that but it became like it became a thing he became a AH something of a of a college basketball mythical mid major hero but because of that like does that have any sort of carryover three over effect to Kansas State. All these weeks to months removed saying. Oh we're just GONNA play to the end. Those guys did it. We're GONNA do it. Do on Gordon goes for the steel deal. It leads to this and on some level is Silvio Dassault's Saint This ain't happening again. We already had one team. Try and do this to us to the end of garbage time. This will not happen again. I don't think it's a non factor entirely there but for an Selvey said after he's got to be way more mature than that couldn't believe in fact I was watching up in my office. I rewound I could not believe that I saw a basketball player. Pick up a stool and now thank goodness. It didn't get worse than that because if it did and you have a player forcibly bringing contact any anybody else with a stool stool then. That's instantly one of the most infamous highlights in the sports history. I mean It's not quite on the level of you know Rudy t getting punched in the seventies unease in the NBA but if the damage is bad enough yet it could be now. We were fortunate not to have that in some amazing images. I posted some of them to my twitter with her feet and you can see them obviously in a number of stories that have been published but for the photographers who are set up in that platoon if you will on the court. They're right there so so this all breaks out and some of the images are actually fairly. Surreal you get these powerful shots of fans young and old right there are in the thick of it as this is all unfolding in in guys are shoving and punching just an aggressive rough rough seen now where we gonNA go here with. Suspensions Gamed College Game Day is going Kansas this weekend for the Tennessee Kansas game. Oh by the way So so there. There are many ways that this will actually spread out and have an effect on Kansas more than Kansas City. Kansas State is not a good team this season. You know you could have a situation where it's a suspension other place there were there. were players in street clothes. How do you even go about disciplining them but for K.? State not a good look whatsoever. I mean both both both schools and their respective players are at fault here I understand the instinct to jump off the bench and get involved this. This this very thing is why the NBA. All of those years ago said you leave the bench year done technical immediately. And that's what happened happened here with you know once it had to the video sort it out and that was another thing because because the AA instituted a new new rule this season that is directly tied to gambling and point spreads if you have an end game scenario that calls for any kind of technical foul were free throws need to be taken. It doesn't matter if the guys have gotten on the bus you have to finish the game technically Because because he incidentally is recognized that with gambling legalized per federal enactment in federal law. That is why that happened happened and I get you know Kansas fans booing. Everyone saying why do we need to do is. That's why they did it You know it comes obviously a brutal moment for college basketball but that's really. Why did that so anyway? I am digressing a bit here. I do miss my buddy. GP We will pod obviously again on this on Wednesday but want to give you something some some sort of reaction here in the aftermath of this for Kansas State. Eight and ten team won five in the League. It's not going to the instable tournament down year. forgettable year is what it it is for Kansas Though fifteen three squad. Five and one in the league. It's been rating this week as the best team in college basketball per Ken Palm Tour Vic domestic composite said most predictive metrics actually have Ku as the number one team in the sport But how would that change going forward depending on who gets suspended and for for how long now you'll notice as I've been talking to this podcast names. I haven't been saying Devante Dotson. Yoke as Buki. Those are the two most important players players and they were not at the center of this. Now there are a bunch of players involved but we wait and see how many Kansas players get suspended for how long and then going forward depending on the length of the suspension and now Kansas performs how that actually might affect where they stand in the overall hierarchy of the instantly tournament in Selection Committee. And how how things get sorted out from there. I would expect bill self to be fairly aggressive in his discipline here. one because the school whether it wants to work quietly behind the scenes that big twelve or not it like this becomes the biggest story. Sorry in American sports on Tuesday night because of the nature of it and so everyone will wait for the discipline. That comes down there after and I would think that Kansas is going to you. Really try and be strong with punishment here Because it was too sosa throwing punches he was not the only one I did. See One video you late Tuesday night with the vantage point of the Kansas student section. So this would've been about thirty feet back from the basket stanchion when the fight begins to break out in that from that perspective you see two Sosa Kinda seal. The bit as the Kansas state players aggressively attacked him after he you know showed up the opponents by standing over him and from there. Yeah he goes fight or flight and he fights and he looks to defend himself and then things get really out of out of hand A. and within a matter of like a second and a half from that but you know even since the highlight showed you know alternate angles from social media from fans understands actually provide an even uglier view of of the fight of the Donnybrook as it as it went as it got going to Soza. What a bizarre path here because remember it was last season because to SOS it was at he was one of the? You know one of the characters if you will that was brought in to the federal trial because it was his guardian. That was trying to get him to go to Maryland and get under armor to to pay for that arrangement. And then you know according to federal wiretaps it's the it's The Guardian and and The A ah you know turn it Curtis towns on the staff saying you gotta get him out from underneath that you gotta pay him to get him to Kansas. And then Soza gets a two year suspension attention from the instable a now he. He wins on appeal. He did not play at all last season but he's never really become the player they hoped he would be and now here he finds himself itself. You know in the middle of just just a bad look fight and it wouldn't stunned me if he was sat for the rest of the season by Kansas. I don't know if they'll go that far but it wouldn't. It wouldn't shock me and the other thing is this whole deal happens because because it makes the PL- like he's in every you know A. K.. State has every right if they want to steal balls to the ball. You still playing like whatever you know. And then dissociate makes a he makes offensive play. He gets the play. But then you gotTa stop you gotTa step over you gotTa you know just Lord above the guy when the game has done your Kansas. The program just walked on K.. State again in your house when you stand over a dude like that. That's when things immediately get Harry very easy medium you know. It's it's y when when guys do that if official catches it and it's it's with intent and it's for a half second second. It's an automatic T in football. It's an automatic unsportsmanlike conduct. There you can't have that level of taunting. I will say though that a part of me is surprise and you know appreciative and relieved if you will that we don't get this more often. You know you see sports. It's fights break out here and there you know and you'll hear people discuss like well. Why is it you know? It's it's cheered in baseball. It's part of hockey not even in football to a certain degree you know. Physical violence hand to hand. Combat is built into the fabric of the game you know. Why is it? So different with basketball One I think one of the biggest reasons. Why is you actually have fans within in feet of the players and whereas that's not the case in football hockey you're behind glass baseball? You're way off. Basketball is the only one of the four major American sports. Where if you have a fight? Like this breakout innocent bystanders. Legitimately getting hurt and I think that's one of the bigger reasons wise Sometimes people have an issue she with it but I am surprised that we don't get this more often. The heat competition at the pro or the college level. It's it's a good thing that we don't but obviously we have had to you know relatively high profile incidents you know as of late with this and then of course you had add the really scary incident with myles Garrett in Mason Rudolph in the NFL month and a half ago or so. But that's you you know as as we turn toward Wednesday morning here most of you. Obviously we'll be listening to this Wednesday morning or Wednesday afternoon. We'll find out more about punishments and where Kansas this can go from here. How strong the big twelve? Obstacle down on K.. You with all of this. Hopefully it's the last fight we see in college basketball goofball this season you know sometimes things like this. They're bad but they can serve as like kind of like you know a megaphone reminder to the the rest of the sport the coaches you know. Don't be like them. Don't be like Kansas. Don't be like case day. That's not what we're about fights will inevitably spring up again. Yeah you know just just the human nature of competition. I get all of that but How about college basketball? You know the talking point in the sport To win almost fatiguing degree has been. You know the tumult at the top of the polls and nobody's good. Everyone's stinks Yada Yada Yada. We'll talk about this over and over over and over hollow how little Brouhaha to spice things up there. I think I saw dude and one of those videos in a suit come flying across at the start of this. Don't I don't know who that was. The Kansas Jayhawks covering its eyes on the opposite end of of everything weird scene just bizarre seen some of the photos. Coming out of this are Frankly kind of incredible. But that's about it here so personnel will talk more on Wednesday. We'll get to other stuff in addition to the Kansas headline because by the time we record hopefully we learn more Plenty of other things to talk about in college hoops. The court report on Wednesday. We'll have a bit on in Illinois toxin fighting a line. I off to their best start in league play in fourteen years So plenty of other interesting stuff but Kansas becomes the fact a story for this new cycle of the next day or so and we see we wouldn't see who will be available and unavailable play for the game against Tennessee. Appreciate she listening. Hope you enjoyed these emergency podcasts. If you have not already do be sure to subscribe in Apple podcasts or whatever service you prefer for you can get this podcast. Essentially on every single service that has subscription so for that we thank you so much appreciate it and we'll talk to you again Wednesday late morning early afternoon.

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TALES FROM THE CRYPT Presents DEMON KNIGHT (1995)

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TALES FROM THE CRYPT Presents DEMON KNIGHT (1995)

"Through whom studios podcast network deal You are listening to the horror. Bain podcast but best warm v podcast in the world with your hosts robert mazzetti and don fisher fantastic gold. A and i'm your host Robert city i'm your co host down fisher and this week believe it or not. We're talking about the film tales from the crypt presents demon. Nick knight spelled with a k. Mind you yes with like a like a night like a knight in shining armor. That's correct. Yes so it's a it's a. It's a demon. That's an demon killer. That's a night but we'll get into that. We'll get into that. Because i wanna ask you about that. I want to ask you about that too. Okay that makes two of us then all right. Now we're both at a loss ter- yes yes much to talk about With that film. So i'm looking. I'm really looking forward to that. So i am i am. I'm going to start things off. Right rob blow your mind. Oh god oh okay diane over the weekend and what. We'll let me let me prepare myself for this woman. Yeah okay go go diana. I sat down over the weekend watched episode one of the haunting of hill housing. Yes yes and we both love and it's wonderful. Yes yes and then. I got a little Now now let me ask you something really quick. Yeah it's it's the episode first episodes a slow burn. It is yes it is. We only got one. It keeps you going but towards the end where you get to the annual holy shiite with the sister. That was great. That was great. That was amazing as really good it just your before. Well i know. I'm excited but but i got a little bit more to tell you and i'm not going to give anything away because i really encourage our listeners. Start watching this i think. Well yeah so. I think we've talked about this before. But i'm going to rehash if we have but So we love the first episode. We didn't have time to watch the second. So here's a little This you'll you'll find this amusing. So what was it yesterday. We sat down and we were gonna watch the second episode now before this. I did a little research. And i'm like 'cause i was looking at the series and i'm like oh it's only one series that's it isn't there more and then i went online and they said oh no. The second series is the haunting of blind manner. Yes okay so. I went ahead on netflix. And i put that in a you know my stuff my list. I went and saved it to my list so we sat down yesterday to watch episode two. And i mistakenly don part episode two of blind manner. And we're doing what the hell is going to completely different. My god it was this little boy. And i'm like like looking at her and she's looking. I'm like maybe this is the hill's early on maybe. This is the the first family. We're trying to make sense of it. And then i realized after the episode. When i was clicking around actually diana notice. He's like wait a minute bligh manner. That's not what we're watching him. Then i'm and then. I realized my mistake. I felt like i felt like an idiot. I apologize profusely. And i'm like i'm so sorry. He's like yeah. That didn't make any sense. And i'm like here you're right it didn't and then and she's like boy had like i'd like to hill house better. I think this was okay. But i like i agree. I agree so yeah. I won't make that mistake again. But i told her i explained to her. That's the second series. So that's she's like you said the same house. I'm like no it's a different house. It looks like and there's two series that the hill house is the first one in the second one. She's like okay so so i won't make that mistake again but yeah that was no but you know the the the second series that you accidentally watched yes. It's it's completely different but it. It's the whole series is kind of a slow burn and it doesn't get really get going until the later episodes but it's not as good as the haunting on hill house. Is it still mike. Flanagan still flanagan. Yes he did very okay. Very good just amazing shows but you don't like it as much as hell house now it's I like it now. Because i got through the entire second that that whole series but okay. It's definitely it's not as scary hill house. Okay you'll house is very scary. The second That second blair house or whatever. It's called ly manner. Yeah why manner yes That's more it's kind of more of a soap opera with some scary stuff in it. But i'll get more into character star studies and stuff like that but it's very well done okay. I liked it. It's fantastic okay. All right you turn the lights out again. I'm just letting you know so lights are out to own deliver listeners. Know we're having some video Issues but that's okay. We're gonna forge ahead. So no. But i i thought you'd be really ecstatic to hear that i am. I can't wait for you to get through the entire series surprise that well you just did. One episode goes. Well i gotta watch two or three. I know we wanna to but we started late. And i just had a feeling diana would like it so we were downstairs and she's reading this book online and i thought you know what. Let me just pop in the first episode and see and she's like oh this looks good and she put on her phone and that i she's hooked. She's she's been asking me. When are we going to watch. The next episode yoyo loves that kind of stuff like spirits and haunting and creepy. And you know what. I'm saying like that first. Episode is just a prelude to more. Yeah it gets. Wow it gets it gets crazy towards the we had some pretty good jumps already. I mean some really pretty good jump scares already. Yeah yeah yeah so. That's amazing. it really is i. I can't say enough about it. I think it is and you'll find out. Yeah i think it is my flanagan's just his best work and you know hushes in crawl but this entire series is just amazing. Just amazing so. When did you start watching. When did you just finish manner then or no. Yeah just finished it. Yeah oh it was hard for me to get through because it's like it's not as it's not even close to hill house. Oh it's not but it's a different type of movie movie two different typist. Yeah and Once i understood that i actually liked it better and then i started getting into it and then of course it was over but it has you know it has some scary stuff to too. But it's not like the you know it's not like he'll house not hill house. That's a totally different family. Totally different house right. It's the same actors though. I mean a lot of the actors for it is come Hill house or in that. Show okay in the planes if it rolls like the Like the one brother that's on that's got the drug problem. Yeah he speaks american in in hill house. And then blair. He's got an english accent so okay or scottish or something is the girl from hush is she in it now but the But the girl That at the spoilers girl that that is dead in the beginning episode of hell house. She's the megyn. she's okay okay. I'm definitely gonna check it out. I mean if it's and of course the father is is well no the younger version. The version of the father. Yes he's he's the mouth from et. He's elliott elliott from et. Right right right right okay. Gotcha oh wow that's cool l. Yeah and i know right. Yeah so we're yeah so that. That's that's my static. Now i'm glad you guys now. We got something to talk about when you want as you continue through the series. Yeah that's great. I'm looking forward to more. It's only my buddy out there and it hasn't seen it see the show amazing. Just yeah absolutely. Yeah so so this week. We are introducing a new segment old. That's right yeah we talk. I don't think we talked about a talked a little bit about it on a last all. We did okay remember this. We were actually going to do it. But yeah what we're doing now is We've introduced a new segment. And this part of the podcast. Yeah we're we're gonna read emails to all right and you said you've got a few i got. I got a couple cool before before we got a little bit. Intra music. oh will have you gotta have. But that's our music. It was good but it was. That'll wake you up to really. Oh yeah so phony red bull. Now i'll tell you that i'm good. I email is from. Mma listener is names mike. Okay we won't. We won't use last names. But now it's it's mike for new york mike from buffalo new york okay which apparently have listeners in buffalo. New wonderful full great. He writes dear horror vein. Robert don yes pretty cool. I love your podcast. advert an avid listener. And so he's been I guess listening for awhile. His question is he goes. I love horror movies But my girlfriend doesn't know man. That's a tough one. That's a tough one. Yeah my only advice would be this easer into horror films injury. You could take Some kind of horror comedies. Like happy death day. that'd be a perfect intro. You know one of the one of the one of his Mr landen's movies. Cursor landon and even Freaky just something a little lighter. Try to lighting sean. The dead and then trying to ease earn more into you know classic horrors. Yeah lewinsky stuff like that. I don't know that i'd start with the classics. I definitely agree. I'd start with something like well. You could start. With universal go with dracula wolfman and all that stuff to you could maybe with abbott. And costello meet frankenstein. That'd be that'd be that'd be awesome. That's that's advice on that one. Yeah and let me if i could add to that because my wife not really into horror films but she likes certain kinds of. I don't want to say horror but creepy determine our house. Are you gonna go watch your creepy or you're going to go do your creepy. But there are certain creepy that she likes like. She likes this haunting of hill house. She likes the haunting like annabel and conjuring and like ghosts and spirits and possession and stuff like that so maybe find out if your girlfriend likes certain aspects of that john mara possibly you know Because you know. I mean happy. Death day. Pretty much mater. Had your body's got some creative. And diana love that so maybe easier and even that way find a path find an avenue that she likes and maybe build on. That would've she likes and yeah good advice. That's what i would do what he's talking about. I try doing that now. So that's why. I sure works that i got to do and she'll she'll give me a yea or nay and she's watched like she watched the crane sleepy johnny depp. She loved it so yeah. Yeah that that's scary. I mean it's got people getting their heads chopped off atmospheric. Yeah very you know has a great mood and halloween movies. Yeah just not the halloween movies. But i wouldn't do fun. Halloween movies hocus pocus that her so that we spend too much too much time on it. But it's a great question. Thanks for submitting that. Thank you our next question. From this one's from lynn She's from dallas texas. Alice down south so we got a lot of listeners in dallas texas general She writes. Dear horror vein. You guys rock. Oh thank you appreciate that show. Her question is why does done. We're cub shirts. All the time win. Aggressive cancer right. Okay can't chime in on this one. So maybe but i'm sure all the answer here but go ahead. Yeah he's got his thoughts on that but Well as you know. i'm. I'm a huge fan. I knew i mean since since i was a kid and really good right now. They're doing really well. yeah they're in i borrow. They're tied with the bureau brewers but they were playing the mets right now and they're really good team but anyway i just I tell you what tactics ever now. I got a really good answer. I got a really good answer new to know if you ever. I don't know if you've been to chicago. And this is what's her name again. I'm sorry i'm bill linens lynn in ever been to chicago. Even if you're not a sports fan at wrigley field go to wrigley field. It's just. It's the second oldest ballpark. Yes in the were in. You know in the united states then we re probably in the world but whatever Martin ways the oldest ballpark. And that's on my bucket list but anyway It's just the charm of this ballpark in the the the fans. They're just a different breed. I don't even the loyalty of the cubs fans and I'm one of them It's i mean if you're not a fan it's kind of hard to understand but if you go and experience the ballpark you have to like chicago. Pizza it really is yeah. It's an experience. And it's it's just the charm in the atmosphere. Like i said at and it's still got the scoreboard from when it was first built and It's just a wonderful experience. And whenever i walk into that ballpark. I forget about everything else. 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Yeah county isn't that not the town it's a it's about an hour from like maybe maybe two hours north of orlando two hours north of you. Tyson ranks love your podcasts. And his question is who you like. Better pinhead or jason question pinhead jason pinhead. Obviously from hellraiser and jason is from friday thirteenth. If you're not aware of that and if you are not you should not be listening to podcasts. Trason good question. I would have. I mean i love both of them. But i would have to go a pinhead i like Some of his His feedback you know. He's he's talking to people you know. Jason doesn't talk. He just basically killed people. I don't get me wrong. I like the look of jason and all that stuff. But if i was going to choose between the two can only just because he and let me ask since he's he's got some good comments. I like it. Yeah and let me add onto that. Because i'm gonna ask you. I'm gonna ask you another question along with tyson's question route to my knowledge. The one actors is did they. He's the only one that's played pinhead something bradley. I suck bradley now on the flip side of that. There's been a lot of jason's yes there has so i think there's a difference when you have one guy playing a character like all the time. Yeah there's a difference between when kane hodder does it. And somebody else doesn't i v s. Would you agree. And i like Cain harder of version probably boast. But i do too. Yep yeah but doug Yeah yeah no. I mean the they do have new. They do have new pinhead now. They're doing donis later. He's never seen these other Hellraiser movies you know. They're all straight the video. Do a day they do have new pin do rob did they make more without him. I think he was I think he basically I i don't know the story of it. But i think he was like i'm not doing anymore because it wasn't. How many did he do if you were to. Guess just did the three. 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Few cheesy parts little couple of goofy parts that i didn't care for overall. I thought it was entertaining. I thought it was suspenseful. I like the characters I like to tax. The store got some really good actors. Billy zane was amazing billions. Then it's one of his best roles. I really rate and you know around. And will you know who williams sadler's oh that's for ground and I don't know he was in so many movies. Shawshank redemption. yeah. That's haywood. Been playing ever gonna blaney hank williams junior member in the guy with the long blonde hair. That came in. Oh that's william hidden church. He was in Sideways in spiderman. He was vitamin. he's santa yeah right. Yeah yeah last stars. All yeah. It was and they were in That helped it. A lot and Will smith's wife jada pinkett is. That's that's where she was like the beginning of her career. Wait the the black the blacker. That's a will will. Smith will smith's wife jada smith no way i didn't know that. Wow okay. She did that movie before she was mary. Will smith who was married to him yet but later on she was good. I thought the the mission though the woman that owned the mission she was great. Yeah seen her before. I couldn't place her. Mom me to mature seen her before and other movies and But i really love the story. I i love that key in the fact that he have Jesus christ's blood in that. Yeah they did the first flashback. I'm like yeah how okay this stuff here. That's why i really liked the movie I was like. I love that story. Yeah you know. Some of the demons are but they're cool to But the best thing about the film is that it's a typical eighties. Horror film awesome. I'll boobs the old kazeem or all my god. That was fantastic. You got this great heavy-metal soundtrack out so eighties horror. I love really is. I was going holy crap. I miss this type of were film. I wanna zeal boobs. I wanna see gilmore and you get it all from the beginning there. Hey man shot. You know that song at the beginning of the movie. The cars racing. I'm like i love that shit. Yeah god yeah you get a room. Full of boobs do one dream sequences like. Oh my god. I sure that actor is gonna have a heart attack with our minds out. I couldn't i wouldn't have been able to either. Do i really get to do the scene in dire now. 'cause incredible chilies anes like shit. Let me do i do that. I'll be thinking. I'm going to be a part of the senior like you know. And it wasn't like a like a there was a one or two girls that i was sitting there going shit. I've never seen a long time. Eight oh my god. I mean we still respect women but it's just it's just i don't know man. There's something about boobs horror film that it that's right it just you know it's like wait a nice little of frosting an extra layer indirectly uptight now. They're like oh my god. You're old blurbs. In a movie you know. That's degrading women and also our sexist or something light lighten up. I'll just boobs geez. I know you meant no. I'm being honest. Men like looking at boobs. We do and there's nothing wrong with that. That's that's my point. There you go now that was so damaged gory gory or as the movie progress yeah loved it lets. The opening. The tales from nato pudding was awesome tales from the crypt. Has you know that was in the opening when it will who. The guy that got killed came back to life. Do you know who that is. John lyrica whose turn lyrica. Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah that was talking about the opening sequence where the kripke cours Directing which is like. What the hell's going on. I need to see this hacker. Also get in the bathtub. And you're like oh. Please show me her boobs please. I know they did. Yeah that i've loved this movie. I loved this. I just fell in love with like from beverly hills. Cop i love you. bill Yeah so yeah. No i i think it just like i said there was a few little goofy moments know in the head. Do you know the best horror film in the world but it. It is downright fun to watch. It was it is. It's a good. It's a good fun time. I let like you said. I own the film but have not watched it in a long time and i know the beginning pretty well but i watched the movie all the way through in a long long time and i was like. Oh yeah i like this but you know when he gets to. Those flashback scenes. I was kinda like oh yeah. That's why i liked. The movie was because of that. There's more depth to mean. Yeah where you know. He's kind of passing the torch to someone else. Her as the demons are trying to get this last key and And and i really liked delays and the way design his character. I his enter his character so interesting because like the the top team in and he's young he's even when he puts the the blood at the door to the stop. The team from coming into the church He can still find his way in and he has to do people into You know letting them in and Take our and possessing them. And i was like interesting. Why dad. that's really good. I did too and all these little different parts like he. He played the role of like a director member in the boobs. Seen he's he's got all these different like he comes in as a krueger in a way. That's pretty krueger with kind of do that you know. Bring you into the scene and go do this. And then he turns puts on a little cash becomes a carrot juice. Yeah yeah dancing around going. Hey we're having a great time. Oh billy zane was great He was fantastic. William sadler was good. They are all were really. And that's that's what have we always said. You know it's a good story you know it's not just i mean there's some depth to it and the characters are great and it had everything it had you know had some really good scares and greediness gore and boo get on the scene. Billy's anes out there. And he's like sydney. He cuts his hand open. He starts flinging his blood around. Oh yeah yeah. Yeah yeah they all and then the demon start popping up grouse. God that's cool. I like that yeah. It was neat that it was in that some really creative things and they don't skip on the gore. I mean there's a lot of gore And it's like fun gorz at like totally realistic gore. But it's just like right you know it's fake but it's it gets the point across you know. Yeah i like fact that william aiden church. He's the one that kinda defects you know he's going against you know what everybody's supposed to do is supposed to be doing following williams sad like him like just giving the key and focus on what's go right. Yeah let's just you know. I don't believe this guy and then you got that tension within the film to which i it was just another little. Extra layer wasn't a huge layer. But it was enough. You know to get your mind thinking. Okay what's going to happen here. You know and sure enough. He was in iran. Then he gets his ass. You know everything in a movie works even the cat. Even the cat has specific purpose in the film and because they find that toll system because of the cat. And i think they use the same cat from tales from that reminded me of the of the tail. I remember thinking that. Can't i knew you were going to say what is with the fucking cats you know. Bet you it is it is. I know i've just. I i did think of though 'cause i was thinking that i'm like up at your don's thinking the same thing i am when he sees we're so that segment entails dr. God i'm just glad it didn't land on anybody's face. That's all. saturday was the ball. God oh yeah. It did just what it was supposed to do. Nothing more and i was very say that in the movies. She's like pussy off the table. Yeah that was just laying on the table. Good humor and she was good to the girl. The played the hookers. Us really good too at that. She was never good. Net movie They give performances and Like i said it's one of those. No brainer horror films. I in that's what What i really liked. It's a very simply. That's what i really liked about. Genre was because with this movie does is a perfect example of what you can do. Have an entertaining horror film where you don't have to like think too much. And they have a plan in delivers on every aspect. That horror fans love. You know yes. Not just the boobs and hit on. Everything was really did. 'cause you boobs anymore. No just blatant boobs anymore. But you don't get the gore you don't get the cool monsters in the in in some you know up and coming star and it's coming off i mean i guess you do. It's but the time when all these actors are just beginning their careers. And where do they start. Start in horror. Start horror film. You know in an know next thing you know they're winning. Oscars you know ten years later. But they start out. I mean i mean everybody. I mean you look at these stars today and they all started in horror you know. So yeah the genome mean. Something folks does not. Did you know the director of the smell and the familiar with them his stuff but now i meant to ask you this too. I'm sure there are a lot of tales from the crypt movies. Only three. here's three. Know what are the other two bordello of blood was the second one and then the third one. I can't remember the title but they progressively get worse. All they do i so this is the first the first one the best one. Probably the only one that issue release e. s. Get delo blood in. It's okay and i have to watch it again but has to do with vampires. And then you didn't even see the third now. I didn't even know it came out. But i know there's one but if you look. Is that a recent along a while ago but Okay if you look at the reviews it's pretty bad now. Is there like a tv series. Too tv series yes tales from the crypt. Yeah but that's not around anymore. That was like an older. This tales from the crypt was Was the beginning You know as a tv show. I think it was on showtime or something because it's not an hbo Okay but it was the beginning of that type of tv series where he had horror tv series that was more than twilight zone or night gallery. This is because it was made for cable It had all the sex and the gore. And all that stuff where you didn't get that is at twilight zone or tell you know the other ones tales got your night gallery tales from dark side. Even that was on regular tv with the didn't get into the to the gory stuff Tails tailgate. Chris was the beginning of that stuff. And did you watch that. As i didn't watch i'd seen a few episodes or some good ones I had never seen the entire. And i don't know how many seasons it went. I think you know. I'm saying maybe three or four could be more could be less. I don't know I remember seeing some episodes and it was a big thing when came out and Yeah it was cool. I think it's because it was on a pay. You know cable station. That was an wasn't That accessible in i had bought the first season Haven't watched them all. But i had bought the first season while ago. When i you know i enjoy. It's not great or anything like that but you got a lot of talent involve you know like Walter hill robson. Mecca says involved in that they were walter. The warriors producers. They put everything together. There's a home really good names. Rob's meccas and walter hill or part of it is so. That's why everyone's excited. I in fact i was like holy crap. He got all this attala talent. Attached to it you know is going to be great. Can't wait oh yeah okay. And that came out around the same time as this movie or was not after the series had Ended or maybe it was close to being ended and they started making the movies than the tv shows so popular. But demon knight was is the best of a mall and like i said i haven't seen bordello blood and while but i know it's a little too big boob fest and vampires and stuff like that but i. It's not as good as demon night. That was the that was not as good as the one. Would you say just the stories not there. Yeah deal and you know it's directed I never heard of the director actually director that that directed the opening sequence to the show but i was familiar with his work but and had a comedian and can't remember i don't have the information in front of me but spot the out about it but This is definitely a film that or fans the see. And that's why it's part of my collection. It was just it just the fun horror film. Oh it's great. And i'm glad that you liked because i was a little worried. I'm like he's going to like this or not. There was a little evil dead. Ask when he punched through his head and the head yeah but but he really makes that movie he does he does. Yeah he's if if there would have been different actors boy. I don't know i don't know i'm sure some you know. Some of them could pull. It could have pulled it off. But now i think it was perfectly cast. I thought oh man. It was great. Yeah at first. I thought william sadler was the bad guy. I thought he was the one that was but then i'm like. Oh no wait. It's billy zane. It keeps you guessing a little too. You know like what's going on. Wait a minute what's you know and then I liked I liked the idea putting the blood down and then it causes. You know the shield so that the demons can't commit you know like at a window or a doorway at looked. I'd like that a lot. I like the fact that it could be rubbed away. You know if the person's convinced. Like billy zane convinces William hayden church to do that and he does it and then And then we obviously find out that he beats his demise but but Like like yeah no. I do with her coating herself in the blood and inspire. That was terrific. Base of i you know. I knew she'll while they showed her drink. It and i knew she didn't swallow it. I knew that was coming. I didn't win. But i like how they executed the fact that they wasn't exactly christ's blood. It was a vessel that they originally had christ's blood but as the years progressed Different demon knights as they say that were passed the key nacho put their blood in there because i guess they were blessed. So that's where your night comes in wanted to ask you that. Now it makes sense. I didn't put that together so in a way. They're sited in by got with this key and that's what the circle of stars under hands are. I was wondering what that was about. Those start the stars would become a wind in the in the presence of a demon like that so they knew they were in for a fight. This he said he goes there. They're not align now but who knows it could be tomorrow could be decades from now. You'll never grow old but we align get ready for a fight. Keep keep the fight alive. Yeah i might on this movie. It was so much. It's kind of like a really was. It's kinda like creepshow away. You know were it even had like the man. That's what i liked about from the christian animated magazine. I had gotten totally that they had that little prelude in there where the kripke keepers directing horror film. 'cause like and then they have the little you know After the movie thing where they go to premier go yeah he goes in there with the hat girls and kripke cours walk in. I was like that's cool. I like that wasn't that great now. Did you know it's not much but did you watch all the way at the end after the credits Is there something. I had a feeling of their izzy yup afterward the crypt keepers there and he and he just basical used. You're still here and he just starts. I keep promotes like the next four della. He'd bordello blood but he he just cdt promoting something easy something easy death. I don't know but it's short but he's there. It's just a creek. 'cause i was getting into the into the music and occurs rossouw like oh man. What's the the end. What's wrong. And i was like trying to figure out who the song did. And then they had a a megadeath song later after it was like. Oh yeah megadeath awesome. And then they got. When i found out the bands. And i can't remember with that one band was yeah i was like okay and then i turned it off. I'm sure and then and i honestly i went. I bet you there's something at the end and you say that like holy fuck yeah giving excuse to watch it again so there you go but yeah it's just like the little nuances like that The no one was doing that at that time. And i love that. that's great. You know they really put the thought in the time and the effort to really really please horror fans with that movie they did. It really is just like a halo. Please the horror fans. Let's give him this balls out everything they want everything their longing for if that's right it has everything right. You can't beat it like you said it's not the greatest horror film in the world is not not. It's not like halloween or anything like that doesn't take itself series at all Well extent it doesn't deal with a series a serious kind of theme concept. Yeah why honestly. It is a horror film. True and true. Yeah i liked. I love the intro. A pov of gone through the doors in the in the In a mansion and the castle whatever. You know what they're doing. They're leading up to the kripke per but they go through all these different passageways and hallways and doors with the creepy music to areas. Love that little intro. That was wonderful. Just just all these little aspects of it. I really enjoyed i saw. If for me it was just like i said there was that little bit of evil dead esque trash evil dead. I know there's a huge huge fan base for that for those films that i love hate mail next email. I hope guys know i respect that. And it's all good. Everybody likes you know. Everybody has their preferences. As i've said so you know. I guess i love you know the first evil dead was great. She should watch Ash versus evil. Dead the teaser netflix. Which i kind of get through hill house. Yeah i want to get through it after. But you know what's going to happen. This bet you know what's going to happen. This happen to me when he hit through hill house. There won't be any horror film though even come close to the series and you'll be so ironical because it's so fucking good daily so fucking good. Oh my god really be able to watch any other horford without going. Oh this sucks. That's nothing you'll house. Yeah this is the bar. This is the bar man. This bar is set. Sit this one sets it. I mean just at saint alive coming from you rob. I want you to know that. That's a big statement. You're saying and i didn't see when i first saw the series. I knew it was good. But when i watched it the second time i really picked up on a lot of stuff that missed when i watched it the first time in. I didn't appreciate it until i watched the second or third seen it. You've seen this series meant multiple times. Yes i love the series. I can't get enough but It's it's difficult in parts because it deals with some heavy shit but it is so well done and like i said the one the one the one Episode where they they do that. It's gotta be forty minute. Take when take a hell. Yeah just what can blows me away every time it watch it. Yeah because there's so much going on and when you walk and that's later in the series. Yeah when he watch it. You probably wouldn't realize that someone take but at some point you go. Didn't he look what i would like to do after i'm done because i made for that and i don't necessarily but after i've done watching the so i'm glad you're watch. There's a lot to talk about. Yeah not to you know. go off. we don't wanna go off subject here but right now we always do that. But that's okay but it is just an amazing piece of work. And i don't want to blow it up too much because then you're gonna have all these huge high expectations right and you're going yeah. It was good but it wasn't like you were talking about. Don't don't don't blair witch it up. You know god. I mean blair which was terrible. So there you go. I know that's true true. That's just the hype. Was there no doubt the hype was in the wrong part. You know the hype was. Hey if you're going to hype it like that make a fucking movie. And yeah and they didn't know but we've we've we've been down there we go. Yeah we've discussed that. I know so. All i can say is. If you're looking for you know. I mean obviously this is an eighties through and through or film. I mean you know there's just no mistaking the app and it's just if you like that style. Which i do i mean. And that's what you know robin. I grew up with that stuff. You know what i mean. That's that shows you. The difference between tales from the crypt entails from the dark side How what a huge isn't it. A big huge difference. Where or you look at tales from the dark side in creepshow. Yeah i'm sorry tales. -ment just doesn't it just. It wasn't wasn't there man And like i said. I know that you enjoyed a lot of the actors in our i guess again but on the tell the writing and everything the character developed. Wasn't there you know it's a you know like i said it's got a really good concept that i was really intrigued about and i wasn't expecting it. I think that will really surprise me. When i saw the film i was expecting just in the lahore from then he went into all this. Oh this key has the blood of christ in. It's a relic in this is this guy's a top level demon and this guy is a you know kind of oh is a a night for god pretty much like that. He's like oh look at look at the hotel. Looks like old church thing. i was like. Oh this is cool like it need the atmosphere. I loved all that. Yeah it was like it would dark it. Was you know the thunder good. I thought they were fine to they. Were phoney now and yeah every character and everything you like every character in the film. I mean that's that's hard to do and there's a lot of characters in that film. Yeah that's hard to do that. Yeah it's hard to keep your interest to keep your interest on so many characters. And they were able to develop every character character was interesting even the hooker. Yeah she was good to you know he got his rolled back story why she was a hooker. Why are we doing this. What what she wanted. You know you got from The girl that's the work release. You know what would she. Then she turns out to be. Hey she's got the power and ney. she's the next night you know right. You wouldn't have expected that not at all and the whole fact that even the guy's going. Hey let's just give them the keys and get the fuck editor and he goes right. He's like trust and his demon. And there you go when you trust the demon what's going to happen. You're gonna get bucked at because he goes all right. I love that. I was like what was going to happen. Well i'd say the people that go all you know. I can trust him. You can't he's people evils he's gonna let you go. He wants to try to get the fucking key in his career. high gets. that's right now. I yeah i just and i can't say enough cool you know and i loved the case. The case fits me. He goes kind of collect work for collection at collector. Yeah that's his title. He's a collector. You were yours for his name. And he's collecting this relic so they can have all the keys. And i like that story to. There's all these keys. it's not just on earth. it's all over the universe and it's a so there's this collective of evil that permeates throughout the entire universe and in god is watching over us and the nights are keeping that evil away which in itself you could really make dead into a series or another movie. I mean. I like the cherry coke. Love the concept you know. If i was going to remake something i love that concept where he could turn into like a serious horror film but i. I like the way this is done. I don't think it would work as a serious horror film. Well i mean it. Could i mean but i kinda like it being fun like it was re to its charm to it and that's why like creepshow like creepshow because it's got that charm it's that easy to Let's get the horror charm and it's like try to explain it to people that aren't horror fans than it'll get that but It's not like hey could show this to kids. But it's got kind of a kid feel to it and i don't know if i'm explaining it right but yeah that's how i feel. You know i agree. I agree. It's right up there. I mean. I don't know it's it's it's up there with creepshow i don i is the place. That dead movies phenomenal creep shows it. That's oh yeah. I own it now. I own that and the just desserts documentary that for my birthday. So and the whole universal monster series to all film which we still need to go through those. Yeah yeah maybe arkan back to one of those soon. We'll see With it's your turn comb enough anyways. So it is my turn. I gotta keep going on the upswing watching anymore crappy horror films anymore. Oh man i've been. Yeah i've been betting boy your track record lately one fifty so i have. I have not been doing well. So a baseball reference kris bryant. Okay no no for leslie. Is it name leslie. Yeah the baseball question. I think it was winter. lynn. I'm sorry i'm sorry lynn I knew started with else. Reach your family you. Yeah that's true that's true. She's really thin. Yeah that's okay. I forgive her but Yeah so I i would say a must must see definitely. If you're hor fan. I would have this part of your collection. I would too fun horror film if you haven't seen it and if you really wanna know what eighties horror is all about. This is the movie to watch. I agree i agree. I kinda like it all set you up for all the great horror films that came out of the eighties fun horrible. What what year did we have on do dino do we know what your have offhand. No okay. I don't know what year it gets early. Eighties drew sure. Feels that way. Anyway it had that early eighties eighty two feeling. That's what i think. It's more of a later eighties nineties. Yeah all right because of that. I'm wrong that song that came out i think was more all. That's right. that gave it away. Yeah ok okay. Hey man not shot do elected i got it. Had it had Eighties metal at head. Yeah that's what i said. This got boobs blood and metal. It's got everything it's got all the ingredients elements. Yeah that's all you went into blockbuster. Video and rent a horror film. They had all those elements. Those were key selling horror films at that time. that's right. you had to have all those element. Yup yup was a requirement to have at least some boobs in it and then i like the crypt keeper. Awesome i love these great great. You know he's a nice little touch to it. You know what. I mean so high. And he's got that weird. Lafayette a facts. That the us on his head and even when he added chopped off faces going on like that looks cool. Yeah you can tell that. It's you know metron but it's those who cares it's like it's the crypt keeper in rather me. It was really nothing that bothered me other than a little bit of the you know the goofiness in the middle but other than that and it wasn't too much so me that just The here's goofiness in it. Yeah but it's that's what makes it fun. Yeah i mean yeah. I mean i'm sure there. Yeah there was more. that was. Yeah that was the only part. That's like okay. This is a little much but other than that. 'cause i just you know again. I like the seriousness. I like the creepy nece. I'm more of a yeah. I know that's why i was worried. I'm like this. No i did good. 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EP 15 Intentional Worship with Landen Crouch

The Uncommon Christian Podcast

23:37 min | 9 months ago

EP 15 Intentional Worship with Landen Crouch

"Hey everyone. Thank you so much for joining in today for episode 15. We're starting a new conversation series called The Heart Of Worship. This two-week series is all about helping followers of Jesus to discover the postures of worship and live them out daily today. I'm joined by worship experience Minister land and crouched to help us understand how to have an intentional posture of worship. Well, here we go. This is the uncommon Christian podcast with Michael Hinton. Well, hey guys, we're super excited that you're tuning in today, man. I can't tell you how excited I am about the series that were in called The Heart Of Worship God and we're just talking through and what is it truly mean to worship God and have a posture of worship every single day and our daily lives. And today. I am joined by literally one of my favorite Razorback fan from the great state of Arkansas. I don't even know what to call you guys Arkansas aliens wage arkansans. But anyways, whatever they're called agents arcadians. Okay? Oh, Arkansas Arkansas. See I was right the second third time. All right, so you've heard his voice. It's my good friend worship experience minister at High Desert church out here in Southern California Mister Landon Crouch landed say hi to the podcast for me. It's an honor to be here. Thanks for having me on man. Thank you for saying yes to coming on so just a quick landing and I actually met through Facebook randomly. We were looking to hire worship Minister and I had got his name from a friend. And so I started Facebook stalking him about a little over a year ago now man, but am I right about that? Yeah, and so I reached out to him randomly and he rejected me so I was wounded just kidding, but then a couple of months later he reached back out and said, hey man, I'm doing something in our lives and we'd love to explore an opportunity to talk and man. It was from that phone call that to our phone call. It was over. I knew you were the right guy for the job and super just so thrilled to get to know you man. I appreciate it. It's been an honor and an adventure of a lifetime. I thank you for bringing me out here. Well the Lord brought you out here. I was just a vehicle by which he used. How about that works? Perfect. All right. Well Landon help us out. Tell us a little bit about yourself who you are what you do and why you do it. Yeah. Well, obviously as you've already mentioned I come from the great state of Arkansas and a little over a year ago. Now we were exploring what God had for our lives and made the move to to Southern California and a high desert church has been a blessing currently. I lead the worship at the Victorville campus and also have the opportunity to play a role in the exact opposite experience for first-time guests and regular attenders who are looking for those next steps and loved the role that I get to play there. And I'm just it's been a true joy to be a part of high desert church for the dog. Almost a year now. Yeah, that's right and tell us about your beautiful family. Yes. I have a wife of nine years and we have two children five and three and one that is on the way in about four months. So we're super excited about that not only have any adventure of moving to this new position but expanding our family and just excited about what God is doing. Yeah one one of my favorite things about the crowds family and there are many favorite things. So if you live in Southern California and you listen to this man, if you've not met the crowds family, you need to find your way down our down to Southern California and up to the high desert to get to meet this family. But one of my favorite things from them being from the great state of Arkansas, you know, I'm from you know, eight years in Kentucky. So when they opened their mouths and you hear that southern accent it is it's like sweet wage. They're not so sure how they're that is I never really considered myself a country boy or a country family. But here we are. We moved to Southern California. So we ran right into that one. I guess that's right. That's right. All right. Well and it we're in a series called The Heart Of Worship and we're talking about the postures that Christians should find themselves in as they live out daily worship to Jesus today. We're talking about a posture of intentional worship. So first thoughts podcast, let's define. Will you define for us in your own words and experience? What is worship? And then what does it mean to be intentional in our worship? I think that's a great question. I love the word intentional if you read the Bible think there's going to be very few cases where you find anyone who's accidentally worshipping correct? So that's kind of be a lot of people think being at Apple is it's very important for me worship is just it's about giving God his rightful place in our heart. He's already gotten his rightful place. We're not going to change that but we can give him his rightful place in our own lives. I think there's just so many things that that our goal battle for hearts and they're going to battle for our time and our attention whether that's money possessions success or or or food or who knows anything but worship is about giving God his rightful place and that's why that's why we give it's an act of worship to express that the he is first over our money. It's why we suck. Revise our time on the weekends to show that he is first in the time that we have and you know, there's going to be times where those things conflict in this life and we had the opportunity to lay something aside in order to give God his rightful rightful place. And that's so important. We're going to have to be intentional you're more than likely again. You're not you're not going to accidentally give got on her in a lot of ways. You're more than likely you're going to have to be thinking about it is going to be at the Forefront of your mind. We have to be intentional with that. Yeah, that's good. That's so good. I love how you said worship. Is giving God his rightful place because if we're all being honest even Christians, we have the tendency to move God off that place and put other things there right and and then we end up subconsciously worshipping those other things be it money be a power be an influencer be a job career status, you know, all the other things that we could put there and I love the idea of saying no no, no, no, no, no, no this place right here the top of my lungs are the Forefront of everything. I am and and what I'm about that belongs to God. so important I actually Heard something recently. Like I can't even remember where where I heard it but it was a conversation where someone was asking, you know, do you go to church or to you? Is that something that your family does and walk in this person said, yes, although I don't do it as much during football season. So I think it kind of made me laugh but I think the classic example of you know, you have to make the decision for your family. What is going to be the most valuable I come from the south and to be quite honest with you in church attendance dwindles during hunting season, and that's yes it does and that's something that my dad are very much instilled in me as a child. I mean, we would we would go do something on a Saturday night, but he said he would tell me I want you to know that when you are we're going to go do this thing and it's going to be fun, but the turnaround is going to be hard because we're going to get up and go to church the next day and we're going we're not Going to we're not going to skip our men's meeting at 8 a.m. We're going to be there and so we can do that thing. But this other thing is still going to happen. Yeah. No, that's so good. And you know, I I don't know about you but some days, you know, I like I can find it really easy to just go through the motions, right especially in worship. Right? Like you said, I went out hunting. Well, not yet. I'm probably going to be out hunting but I was up late watching sports and tweeting about sports and yelling about sports or you know, doing stuff with my family. And so the next day I get up and I'm tired. I'm exhausted. I know Monday is coming. So I go to church or you know, obviously all of us in this season. I'm laying in my bed and I'm watching services and I might sing a lyric here's where to just to make myself feel better. It's easy to kind of just go through the the Motions right? Like if I'm supposed to sing I sing but outside that you know, I may not always choose a dog. Anality in my my daily worship. Why do you think why do you think we struggle being so intentional not just with the singing But in everything we do worshipping Jesus. I think a big part of it at least for those of us in in Western culture in the western world is that we just have too many things off. We have a lot of freedom in in our culture and and we have a lot of prosperity in our lives. We're very blessed people to live where we live and I certainly don't want to give that up. I thank God for it. But but Jesus said it's hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom. Why did he I mean that's in Mark chapter 10. Why did he say that? I think there's so many idols and yet the word of God says we should have no Idols before him. And we have so many things to choose you mentioned Sports and we mentioned hunting but it could be anything. I mean work can be an idol family time can be an idol and that might be a little bit of a controversial one cuz we're supposed to love and Lead our families, right but these things can become Idols when it comes to putting God first off and I especially as you mentioned right now this covid-19 isn't who's going to call you out. If you don't tune tune into the worship on Sunday morning good who's going to hold you accountable? Um, it's a lot easier when we're going to church every weekend somebody eventually it's going to say hey, I miss you or have you been this season is really revealing some things about what's most important in our lives and and it's been a challenge, you know, we have to continue to to be intentionally engaged in our in our worship. Yeah. Yep. That's still good. And it's funny. Cuz what you said reminded me of a quote that I want to get your reaction to blogger Sandra Andre did she said this she said when you commit to worshipping God you were stating that your choice to worship. Him will not be affected by the constant changes in your life right like that idea of Okay, I'm worshipping you Jesus. Even though my life might be falling apart. I'm worshipping you even though today. I got the cancer diagnosis. I'm worshipping you today, even though I just found out we're not going back to work anymore. I worship you today because it's covid-19 doubt. We having a baby, you know that one, right? You know what I'm saying? Like you worship God intentionally regardless of the constant changes in your life. Yeah, I think why do we worship God to me? The answer is because he's worthy. He's worthy. We we've already mentioned that his situation in eternity eternally ruling over the heavens and the Earth is never going to change regardless of what I do. We want to put him first in our life and faith that the choice to worship him not being affected by circumstances. I think is all as seen all throughout scripture you see Paul in prison. You see the way that the disciples were back ordered for following Jesus you see Shadrach Meshach and Abednego. Yeah. Our God is able to save us but even if he doesn't we won't bow know it's kind of tough decisions and I think we have to be careful with looking at our circumstances cuz our circumstances are of this Earth. So therefore they are temporary job. We've ever want to make an eternal Choice how we worship. God based on temporary fences store each priest and now that's that's awesome sauce. And here's here's the funny thing when you say that I'm like, oh, yeah, that's so good because it seems like a lot of us now put myself in that too. And I'm sure you would put yourself to we've been making a lot of temporary life decisions with eternal implications in this season. That's true right. True. You have to be have to weigh. What is what is temporary off? What is eternal and that's going to help you determine. What's most important? Right? Right and and something my friend said to me Rusty George our lead Pastor here real life. He said, you know Michael we have to always think about what would love require of us. And that and he now in the context he was talking to me was talking about towards other people, which is a great question to ask towards others, but landed I'm wondering if that might be a better question to ask Tom God. What does love require of us because here's the thing. Jesus asked himself that question and he ended up on a wooden cross for our sake. Oh, that's a great Point. That's you. Actually, Jesus asked himself that question cuz you're talking about the choice to worship not being affected by circumstances or changes in life with Jesus is praying in the garden and basically admits that I don't want to do this but yet it's not my will it's it's your will that will be done that I'm willing to submit to what God would have for me instead of necessarily what I want in the moment. What does love required what did love require of Jesus exactly give it all up to step onto the cross because there was a greater Jolie Beyond it. Oh man, that's so good and that and and honestly what nature of intentionality write that in crisis way of worshipping he said look and this is a hard yolk to take on but love requires me to do this song. And so I'm going to be intentional about this. I'm going to love on those disciples. I'm going to prepare them. I'm going to send them out so that when my death is realized in my resurrection happens. Oh my gosh, those guys are ready to go. Not just guys girls to look up the woman. Well the adulterous woman the the woman who was who had the the bodily issues for a long time and change those people's lives, right? Intentionally. Absolutely. I think I think one of the most beautiful Parts about that and I know that we're talking about what an incredible Georgia is for us to receive Christ and what he did for us, but I believe it was a joy for him as well. The Bible Jesus says for the joy that was set before him endured the cross. Who is the joy that was before Jesus not only honoring his father, but the inheritance of the family of God that coming in at that was dead. It was worth it to Jesus to do that. Yeah, no, that's good. And and so that's where intentionality comes in right that. If we're intentional about our time of worship both the actual literal worshipping or singing Praise if we're intentional in that moment, and then we're intentional every day with everything we do the joy that comes from that in the midst of all of these crazy circumstances. It's incomparable. Joy, I love that we're using that term because I think I think the term happiness is circumstantial but joy is deeper than circumstances. Correct? Yes, Joy is an attitude or an approach to life regardless of all of the circumstances. There's a Greater Joy beyond. What is what I'm doing right now, maybe maybe things that we do right now our car door when you go to work every day, you know, there's there's joy in in the fruit of your labor. There's joy in taking care of your family. There's Joy Wok in in doing what God has called you to do there may be days that you don't like it there may be days that it's hard. There's days that are extra challenging but there's a Joy Wok in the endurance. Yeah. It's it's further lasting than any day that can go by that's good. That's good. All right. Well Landon, why don't you bring it home for us? What are maybe you know a couple of things to the three things that followers of Jesus can do to become more intentional in their daily worship god, well just so you know as I'm saying these things I need to listen to this as well. So, oh, yeah only for the listeners. This is for me. I know one thing that I thought that I do is is a listen. I mean listen to podcasts or worship music to sermons to other people think one of the one of the greatest things that we can do as followers of Christ learn to be good listeners to people who who have great wisdom. We want to watch in their steps lists and lists and lists and fill your mind with the word of God. I love to listen to people teach the word of God. I think that's that's and that's something that's easy to do in a commute to work log. And just to and from the house. I mean you're already going to be it's not taking any extra time. You already have to do that. If you turn something else on or you listening to the word of God or or getting getting some worship music in your soul to kind of start your day. That is a powerful way to start powerful way to to become more intentional another thing that I recently done and I need to be better at it. But I've done it is is journaling. I Got This Journal The replicate disciples journal and it has it has several different sections and so only encourages you to do is you read the scripture. So I ask you what scripture did you read the day? What passes did you read the day and you write out something that stood out to you whether that's a a verse or an idea of something that stood out to you ask you to Define what it means. How are you going to apply it to your life? So you might even it might even be a prayer Lord teach me to be more like this today or this week or this month. And then lastly there's a second it's called reset just spill the beans on your life. How did how did that hit you today? Yeah. You know, how are you feeling about what you just read? And I just think it's been really helpful to be to be totally honest in the pages. I mean that no one else is reading it. I just write what I feel right now with the beautiful thing about it. I think sometimes we can go to the word to read the Bible with with such of maybe a little bit lackadaisical e where we just kind of want to read a chapter and then you should get it but this this hold you accountable to make sure you highlight something from the Texas stood out. How does it apply to you? How do you define this and change it? You can't do it in five minutes. Yep, it takes it takes 15 to 20 and that's a challenge but it's it's more fruitful that way I believe yeah. Yeah now that's that's so good man. So, you know, we want to encourage you listening and ourselves to is on and said man first listen and just empty yourself of the distraction. Ins and everything else and just feel your mind your spirit and your soul with things from above right Paul tells us that man think of those things that are pure and good and true, right? So listen and the next thing you know is is to do to be intentional is journaling being able to write down those thoughts be able to write down what you are hearing from God what you're seeing from God's word cuz that helps you be reminded daily, you know right of what he's been doing in your life. So it gives you something to look up. Yeah. No, that's so good. Well podcast listeners we gotta go but man, there's so much more from Landon that I would love for you guys to hear and especially his story a powerful story of of ministry and faithfulness and just he's walked through some Seasons that he could really educate us on so we'll have to have you back someday land and That'd be great anytime right? Well, thanks for coming on and I want to thank you for listening today. If this was helpful for you, would you do me a favor a big favor and share this with others? Also, I'd love it. If you would provide a positive rate and review on Apple podcasts, which will help this show reach more people and you guys know what I say. This is what it's about not about fame or popularity. This podcast is all about encouraging and inspiring every Christian to love Jesus and to live out their purpose in uncommon ways. Thanks for joining and we'll see you next week. 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2020 Election Results

The Dave Gram Show on WDEV

1:28:22 hr | 9 months ago

2020 Election Results

"The from radio vermont. It's the dave graham show on. Wd it's your show about the people places and the issues that matter the most to you. Now here's your host. Dave good morning vermont today morning november. The fourth twenty twenty. We have a good full show for you this morning. We are going to be talking about state races. First off with zander landon. Evita digger dot org. And then we're going to be having visit with secretary of state jim condos. I wanna talk with him about sort of how did it go with all the mail in voting and the counting of those ballots ended everything go as smoothly as you hoped here in vermont and then in the second hour of the program. We're going to be speaking with magic. It's middlebury college political science professor there as well. As steve pappas at the times argus rattling herald he's the editor and publisher of the papers. And we're going to get their perspectives on the national scene out there where it looks like the presidential race remains unresolved at this hour vote. Counting is still going on or resuming. In some places folks went home overnight to get some sleep and it looks like the margins that president trump had built up in key states. From same day voting. Those who showed up at the falls yesterday. Maybe diminishing somewhat as these states including wisconsin michigan pennsylvania. The blue wall states of two thousand sixteen. Those states are starting account there Advance voting ballots and and sure enough. Joe biden as people expected is now gaining on on the president or in case. Wisconsin has even taken as taking a lead in the the badger state so still say still unresolved. We may not know even before tomorrow friday. Actually who hard next president will be. We'll we'll talk all about that in the latter half of the show. I i wanted to visit zander. Landon of degrades political writer. There and zander believe is on the phone with us. Good morning zander day. Gay things have glad to do it. I thank you for up right. Head and bushy tailed after this morning. Or maybe a little groggy. I don't know i've never really. Yeah i can remember a few Post-election mornings that were felt like a little little lacking asleep department. But anyway i no big surprise you governor phil scott. Looks like pretty much. A coast to re election. This time set accurately. Yeah that was. That was what happened at the top of the statewide ticket. governor scott are cruising pretty easily to re election by a pretty wide margin and Like you suggested not not a big surprise You know even before covid hit. He was a very popular incumbent. Moderate republican governor and once cova did Come onto the scene Like many governors Like all governors in the united states was sort of at the forefront of Sort of handling and managing it and you know vermont has seen very low infection rates Very few minutes outbreaks Of the virus. And i think that it's pretty clear From a lot of the folks that i spoke with a full yesterday even folks on the left. Democrats that That was that was in large part. He did well last night. in in in in I think a lot of In in a lot of cases and With voters and You know. I think it made the challenge. That david zuckerman the progressive Democratic lieutenant governor had launched against the governor much harder than it would have been Otherwise so yeah not not a big surprise and another another term for filth scott and meanwhile of course the the legislature remains very firmly in democratic cans. Big night for democrats. Although one big exception we can talk about as well one. We get to that right off. Mitzi johnson the speaker of the house looks like is well the could be a recount thereby as of now it looks like she has lost her bid for re election. In her district from the lake champlain. Islands is that right. That's right She has appeared to have lost the race by eighteen. Votes to michael morgan. And leland morgan Leland leland morgan. Republican incumbent in that district and michael. Morgan is his nephew who is also a republican and it was run for this seat before back in two thousand eighteen. This race was also very close and he came within. I believe one hundred and seventy so or so votes from Winning that race. So this wasn't this you know. This was definitely the shocker of the night in vermont. i think. I don't think anyone was You know. I it in some respects but at the same time you know we had reported That it was possible that speaker. Johnson my loser see just given how close the races have been in her district in the past and the fact that you had you know. Michael morgan run last time running again and had been you know sort of working in cultivating relationships in his district. I spoke to very late last night and You know his argument. Sort of on the campaign trail Was that you know the speaker hasn't been as responsive to constituents and has been As she as she has maybe in the past and that Spur sort of democratic agendas out of touch with what voters in The district Are are are sort of what their sort of political Leanings are And you know he. He appears to have had some success. clearly winning this race at this point although like you said Our understanding is that a recount is imminent so you never know. The result could change but for now. It's you know he has won the race in the speaker of the house has lost reminds a little bit about what happened to ralph right. Who was a very powerful house speaker. thousand ninety s and then all of a sudden lost his district in bennington. And i remember talking to folks at the time and people sort of taking less at least for while from that that even when you are speaker of the house. There's a lot to being speaker of the house because you're you're really putting a lot of work and energy into sort of maintaining your relationships with other house members and of course with other state leaders you've got to negotiate over legislation with the senate. You've got to negotiate with the governor. So there's a lot a lot on your plate but the real bread and butter of a lot of legislators is constituent service and the idea that they are always at the beck and call of the folks back home and that starts to feel like it's a sort of dying the vying or thinning out. Or however you want to describe it People will get a sense of that and they they may a few of the may start to resent the unreturned phone caller phone call. It takes two or three days to return and And that is that can be bad news even for someone as powerful as a speaker of the house and so i don't know whether that really is the case here with mickey johnson but certainly it is. It is a danger that any any any any person in legislative leadership has to be. Cognizant of i would think ask really I mean i. I like i haven't reported about you know whether or not that's the case with the speaker the house but that's certainly what the messaging from both leland and michael morgan is. Is that You know they they. They said yesterday that their constituents are win the district website that she hadn't returned phone calls or emails. That just wasn't As responsive as nate she used to be with constituents And i think that's a big part of it I'll also add that just in terms of you know looking at the house itself with that loss and a couple of other gains by republicans They the democrats have Lost net One seat and that sort of In in their in their super majority or super coalition so liberal leaning members including independencen progressives and democrats sort of be able to In have been able to in the last two years sort of band together and Reverse the governor's veto pen the sort of one seat short of that now. Which which which. Which would mean that. It's probably a little bit harder for democrats to You know like. I said dan together and And reverse the governor's vetoes if we see more those in the coming years. So that's that's another kind of change From last night and A win for republicans and The the the state house Certainly they also republicans also picked up the seat and the rutland In the rutland senate district so the senate now has one more republican than it did in two thousand eighteen twenty twenty session Do you think there's any sense that democrats have been quite aggressive about pushing. Democrats democrat coalition. You talk about with other other sort of progressive leaning. Legislators have been quite aggressive in the last couple of years by pushing things like the global warming solutions act. Of course the paid family leave the minimum wage there. Those those Those core democratic issues. they they they. They pushed out to sort of the outer limits on on reproductive rights in terms of possibly alienating especially people who were more conservative on those issues. And i just wonder. Is there any talk to the democrats may have been getting a little bit little bit out in front of their skis. A little bit here on the case of the speakers race. That's exactly what you know. The republican Winners in that race said is the case I don't know if that's the case all over the state i mean. They're the numbers that they have in. The state house are still overwhelmingly democratic so still have really powerful democratic majorities. It's not like they lost a ton of seat In this case they lost a very high profile seat. Maybe you know the most high-profile seat but with the speaker but It's not like you know they. There was a huge You know republican mandate In you know in the legislature now in this election where they were they were republicans picked up ten or twenty seats I so i'm not sure that's the case But certainly with You know the governor Being reelected And you know the governor having a record number Or approaching the tie for the record. A veto of vetoes in the state of vermont governor that being currently held by howard dean vetoed and twenty one bills over his years as governor. I think we can expect a lot a lot more Sort of clashing a lot more Sort of legislative battles In the coming years where. We're going to see attention. John out and let's let's look at a couple of the other races out there and by the way Wanna mention as i always do listeners. Out there if you would like to join the conversation here you're more than welcome to give us a call at two four four one seven seven seven. That's the local number in waterbury or the toll free number one eight seven seven to nine one eight two five five or two nine one talk and you'll be connected up with wd studio and able to get on our erin. Esca zander landon of any questions you want or make a comment and a and all that good stuff so we do do welcome in appreciate our listener contributions to the conversations here. Meanwhile though zander. Let's let's turn the page and look at a couple of the other statewide contests here. I don't think there's any surprise at the congressional level. We have a very strong incumbent. Peter well who has most times coasted to reelection since he was first set down to washington in two thousand and six and sure enough. This time. Another big win for welsh. Yeah obviously not not a surprise at all. I think that in any Congressional us congressional race the the republicans are going to have a really hard time You know ever unseating An incumbent point Yeah so well just headed back To to He see as expected There weren't any Senate races this time around so yes that was. That was a other sort of unsurprising. Expected result of last night and i just Wondering what you think about the about. The republican party here in vermont seems like phil scott who favors reproductive rights and who opposes president trump. He actually voted for president for vice president biden in yesterday's election enounced and he. So there's there's that sort of Sort of flavor of republican and political newcomer. Miriam barnes running against peter. Welch definitely was more in in in in one would say in sync with the national republican party. Supporting president trump quite strongly opposing legal access to abortion and so on and so forth very much sort of standard. Us republican these days and didn't really get too far. Obviously you know again. First time candidate up against someone who has been a an incumbent juggernaut for years. Now it's going to be tough. But what does that tell you about about how the republican party in vermont might be kind of thinking about its own Sort of platform and wade presents itself to the public and the going into the twenty to twenty four twenty eight cycles. Yeah i mean this is. This is an interesting question and it's one that's been going on since trump was elected The there there's definitely have been some pretty big divisions in vermont republican party particularly between those who are elected in mafia and the people that are at the helm of the party itself A lot of Some of the party leadership is Has been sort of vocally. Very pro-trump and a lot of the elected republicans have sort of being elected As republicans and a very liberal state have been made heaven sort of Made very clear that they not all of them but some of them Very clear that they oppose the president And spoken out against him so Th that is created divide because especially last time around when republicans lost About ten seats in the house. That was a big big year of losses for republicans in two thousand eighteen. Lot of republicans were pointing to the party. And saying you know. You're sort of vocal. Support trump This this hasn't made it easy for us so Yeah it's it's not. Trump trump is Definitely can make it tough for republicans and sort of more purple Or or liberal-leaning parts of the state to get elected And we saw we saw repub. You know the biggest instances. I think where we saw republican overcome The blue anti-trump wave was Hiding sherman's race in sto- She she's a longtime incumbent. I think she's been in the house for fourteen years and the racism close in you know in recent years and i think she she Something like one hundred votes is is what's her margin in Twenty three eighteen This year she you know a lot of the republicans were concerned that she was facing their challenge again from a democrat. Joe sable courtney who. was very outspoken against the president and sort of running Running sort of on on the blue wave And along with sort of the traditional sort of vermont Democratic agenda there was. There was concern the shoes and lose your seat. But she didn't and she won reelection by very large margin so Yeah so and she and heidi sherman has also been sort of outspoken In in saying that she doesn't support the president so It is an interesting Situation that Trump puts republicans in sort of Sort of moderate republicans including the governor and the governor has been as you said outspoken and said yesterday that he was voting for for biden with she made national headlines And it's gonna be like you said very tough for Especially if you're running for. Us congressional office remarks To run on the platform that is sort of opening supportive of the president just because he's very unpopular here and you saw that from the result. Last night he won about thirty. Two percent of the vote in vermont. We'll buy one much more. Was it slightly better than the president did. Four years ago. I thought he went to twenty nine percent four years ago. If i remember correctly that's a good question. I i actually. Don't i actually don't have that number off the top of my head. I think it's about. I think it's roughly the same. Pretty close certainly within the margin of error. Let me ask you about the race for lieutenant governor of vermont and political newcomer this year at least in the it pokes sort of public facing part of politics. Of course molly gray democrat. Had been at work for peter welch in the past i believe and also has been in toiling in the vineyards in certain other respects and certainly has a lot of good connections in among the democrats. Big support from senator. Lahey for instance talked about molly. Grays ascendancy to the number two post in state government. This is a pretty big win for democrats And scott mill. Who's her republican. Opponent had been putting up a pretty good fight in this race. The polling show that the race was in mill Striking distance was basically a statistical tie according to uphold released back in remember to september october But anyway the only polling showed that the race was very close and gray took have pretty commanding victory. She won by believe it was about Nine points And is now You know very much This this as as sort of is Commonly known in vermont. Politics this job. Lieutenant governor's position which was which is now held by lieutenant. Governor david zuckerman. is You know there's there's very little sort of policy Power that comes from this. This edition Not like governor is You know in charge of creating sort of writing the laws or Anything like that They they preside over the senate they can break ties if there there is one in the senate and we don't see that very often these days 'cause of the democratic majority there but It is a big Position Politically in the state and in in sort of viewed as a staging ground in many ways for folks who have the visions and vermont. It does give Holding it a pretty big platform Political platform to advocate for issues And sort of presented vision For what they think should be going on in mafia and A lot of kind of governors including governor phil scott Run for governor So or or other Offices autism the state and It's sort of puts molly gray Newcomer Who who announced she was running in january. I don't think many people outside of montreal knew who she was. She's an assistant. She was an assistant attorney. and Thirty six years old And you know now. She's sort of one of the leading democratic politicians in the state This is a big win for big win for the democratic party and Physicians are very well and the the downtick at races auditor treasurer attorney general secretary of state. Anything interesting happening there. They know the incumbents were re elected there but were there any close races. I don't believe so. I think it was pretty pretty sweeping Pretty pretty Pretty typical of what we've seen in recent years with these incumbents it's gonna be very hard For republican who republicans. Who don't have you know. Pretty broad name recognition to to unseat establish democratic incumbents and That's sort of what we saw. Play out Last night and of course it anytime. there's you ought to political junkies like standards immediately. Wanted to to put a To put a magnifying glass telescope. Baby is the veteran instrument at this point into the future toward the next election there will be a senate seat up in twenty two. Obviously we don't. We don't know exactly whether the income it will be seeking reelection but would molly gravy well-situated for instance for a run for the us senate in twenty two or twenty four. I think that there were a lot of potential. You know names that would be thrown into that hat. I think that yeah. I think that's absolutely a possibility. I think that she's like i said kind of set up to do To you know seek a lot of different offices at this point like you know any governor. probably would be in vermont I do think that maybe you know. Two years is kind of a very short Short time to be an office before seeking another office. Usually you know you serve a little longer than than that in statewide elected office before Before seeking seeking Physician in congress. But you know. I would say i would say that totally possible i i. I haven't talked to her about her. If she has ambitions beyond. The lieutenant governor's office. She would say that. She's focused on that right now and not thinking about anything else I you know. I do think that there's definitely a lot of momentum fresher to send a a female woman to congress. They never done that this week. So one of the one of these days. He has andrew. We're out of time. But i appreciate you joining me this morning. Excellent analysis on the vermont political scene after this election day. Twenty twenty. Thank you so much. Thank dave we speaking with the secretary teach condos after the bottom of the hour break. Stay with us folks. Exciting things are happening. In more in village the pitcher in and warren store under new management upgrades and improvements are in the works maintaining the ambiance and character while breathing new energy and resources into these iconic properties. We are open while practicing all cdc protocols comfort. lunch at iraq in delhi. And see for yourself with the buzz is all about. Both businesses are hiring especially seeking fine dining room. Staff and sales associates. Were are not still fun. Funky and friendly but better than ever open daily on street warren village. It's the dave ramsey. Show w we are back in. Thanks for staying with us in the second half hour of our program. Post-election morning november fourth twenty twenty and as we've been mentioning the presidential race still unresolved looks like the republicans will retain control of united states. Senate democrats will retain control of the us house and once again the white house still a bit up in the air and so we'll be obviously paying a lot of attention to that over the next day or two or however long it takes to count all those still uncounted ballots. Our next guest is a familiar voice. On the dave graham show here. Wd fm and am secretary of state. Jim condos might sound a wee bit groggy this morning. I wouldn't blame him for being a tad tired. Obviously the biggest day of any four year period in his professional life was yesterday. And mr secretaria. How you doing hanging in there barely at all if you hours sleep last night. I'm back to the office this morning. we got a lot of work As as you know days a lot of people think that The election comes and goes and we're done but we have probably another forty five days worth of clean up work that we have to do working with our most hardworking town clerks They are just unbelievable. They really stepped up this year. two challenges that we frankly never seen before And i i can't thank clerk enough They did a great job of and their poll workers their staffs The staff year. The secretary of state's office is just wizard. Incredible time. I know that My staff definitely will be taking some time off shortly As most of working six seven days a week for about six months. Yeah that's that is a It's a busy time for sure for especially for anybody involved in in the election. Really i know that there are a lot of groggy media members this morning as well folks are did definitely didn't need the full eight hours of sleep last night but that's okay you know. We can get through that every every election day could come in around. Hey talking a little bit of sort of how things went mechanically. I mean some big changes in this in the way. The election was conducted this year. Many many mail in ballots came in ahead of time. Did that did that. Delay any counting vermont or or towns and cities able to pretty much. Just get right over that. Whatever about the road those mighty created and have pretty much smooth trip to completion of the election. So dave what we did as we move into made the decision. Obviously i want to reiterate And i've said this to you We we had two overarching goals. That we followed as we've pre prepared plan for this general election Number one was protect. Everybr- monitors voting rights and to to protect the health and safety of donald the voters but also our town in their poll workers Following the using those guidelines. Every every decision we made was based on satisfying both those And the vote by mail that we use for the general election actually was high very well taken and Embraced by the monarch. Had two hundred. I think it was two hundred sixty two thousand votes that came in by yesterday morning Let's clark said accounted for and as of right now there's the previous record was two thousand eight thousand three hundred twenty six thousand voter turnout and we are well past that number at this current time. But it'll it'll still take some time to verify those results Were were upwards of three hundred and sixty thousand right now We suspect that that will continue to grow as all the writings are accounted for. And and other most that are that are out there. But but you know it's been a really exciting time As i've said before whether you vote by mail whether you vote by absentee whether you vote in person early or vote at the polls the ballot looks the same and guess what counts the same as well and and you know i think our again. Our town search really stepped up to the plate And faced adversity that they had never faced before Y- in this year so it was. It was pretty exciting to see everything. Come together and let's talk a little bit about the in terms of the one one Result results came in. Last night was a was a little bit of a surprise. I think some folks Mitzi johnson the speaker of the house appears to have been defeated by eighteen votes. So what walk through the the recount process. We're expecting a recount. There what what actually happens in case like that right so first of all of vermont house she can can You can ask for a recount if you're within five percents For every everything else. It's two percent for the house. It's five percent so she's well within that margin To ask for a recount and once she does yes go to court to ask for that recount once she does. The recount is then Taken over essentially and managed by the courts we will provide logistical. Help to to the county clerk up there. But essentially it becomes a county court managed process. you know it was eighteen votes and and I i can't really say a whole lot about it because there's not much to say i mean at this point the votes are in and She will have to request a recount. She wants one yep and obviously that's not automatic. The candidate actually has to request a recount. Is that right. That is correct. Yeah okay. I don't know whether she has made any any statements about her intent there but Any any listeners out there actually do know a speaker. Johnson habits be listening. We'd like to call in two four four one seven seven. Seven is the local number of water breath the toll free number one eight seven seven to nine one eight two five five or two nine one talk and this is one of those little appeals. We make to the hive. Mind occasionally when there's a fact out there that i don't know and and my guest doesn't know and she was. Let's let's see if anybody out there does And i'm wondering in terms of the the mail in voting over all. Do you suspect that this is going to become sort of a new normal elections going forward. I i can't answer that question dave because that's really a legislative decision They'll they'll house in the senate will take sure take it up. Come january We will we will provide any information they need as far as costs How much did it cost overall. What actions did we take. The we would do differently. That kind of stuff We played on meeting with a group town clerks. Probably sometime in december Prior to the start of the legislature. We're going to pick Some clerks that are small town large town urban versus rural And so we have a good diverse group and will ask them to tell us what they work with. Didn't work what could be done better And what are the resources that they need to if if this were to go forward so you know we're going to do our work on the back end but again it's way too early to tell i mean i can't even tell you right now with the costs are because we haven't totaled them all up. We do know that. Were within the budgets that we were provided by congress For a running elections so we will stay within the and we will continue to move forward and provide the information. The legislature needs to make solid decisions. Let's talk a little bit about discarded valid those were big feature in the primary cause the primary the the balanced it folks received at home in the mail to be filled out or more complicated. You might argue because the because you had to select a specific ballot tied to a specific party and that was a that was an ample pitfall for some folks to make a mistake in but this whole business of having to sign the the envelope and dated and get your name printed clearly on there and all of that stuff still presents. I guess some difficulty some people. And i'm wondering do you have any sense of. Will there be your. Were there an unusually high number of ballots. Which have failed those tests in in this general election we have. It's way too early for us to tell because we haven't got participation reports yet from the from the towns They will provide that information over the next few weeks And we'll be able to make a better decision on that or have better data Typically in the general election you were right in the primary. It is a little more complicated keeping buying vermont. Not party registration state so we are what we call an open primary. You can vote if you're if you declare yourself be democrat that's only to you We don't record anything like that And you can vote in the republican party or progressive party. So that's why it became a little more complicated. Essentially the primary is three elections in one day We have a republican election democratic elections progressive election. So and we each one is a separate silo if you wanna call it And that's where we ran into problems there because the most common reasons for defective ballots are one. They didn't put the ballot. They voted into the voted envelope which is called the certificate envelope. That's one two. They didn't sign that that certificate envelope and Three days in send back the other two envelopes. So we'll have that discussion about the primary side with. That'll be a separate discussion from the general in the general election. Typically we have about one percent so we will continue to look at the The reasons why we'll find out what were the majority reasons and see if there's any way we can secure that the other piece of that is And we had several calls yesterday of people who said my i. i checked my ballot and it was defective. Can i go down and vote another ballot. The answer to that. The short answer. Simple answer is no. You can't Vermont does not have a cure a law in place I'm sure i. In fact. I know that the legislature will be taking that up as well But keep in mind. We do not have contact information other than an address and and and so the clerks don't have a number that they can call or email so we may have to go out and and require that Could be a registered voter so those discussions will have the legislature. Come january foley still need more data before we can make those kinds of discussions possible. I wonder to what extent discarded ballots could have an impact actually on individual races especially very close ones. Do you know. How many do you happen to know how we need. Discarded ballots were in that house district up in the champlain islands. Where featuring the apparent loss by mitzi johnson. To mr morgan there we have we have that data yet. okay I don't know it would be baby kind of an amazing thing. If if if all of the ballots there were there were errand somehow in rejected their therefore were pointing in one direction too. I mean. I don't know whether democrats are any more likely to republicans make one thing clear. David what's a quirk has declared a ballad defective. That can no longer be counted in any way. Even if it goes to court we would not ask the court to count that ballot. It's is defective. Did not enter into the recount. The recounts only recounts the balance. That were counted on election night. So that was way that works. Got it while a good clarification. I support announce. I'm glad i some of the people say the only you what is it. The only the only dumb question to the ones that don't get asked. I guess there you go or something like that. Yeah is secretary economists As the top elections official in vermont Like to pick your brain every now and then about what. The heck is going on elsewhere in the country and the county and continues in the race. I guess in some no small part because the it was decided by state legislator state legislatures in places like pennsylvania and michigan and wisconsin. That would not be advanced processing of early ballots. There were going to wait until after the polls closed on election day so here. We are just waiting for the the counting to happen. Is that a that understanding of the situation. Roughly accurate. Well yeah this goes back to the federalism that we enjoy. Basically it's a states rights to The article one section four of the constant reminder of the us constitution says the times places and manner of holding elections for senators and representatives sheltie prescribed in each state by the legislature thereof the congressman. Anytime make by lawmaker alter such regulations So i think what you see here is the fact that the congress and the constitution does has delegated the management of elections to the states. We have fifty states and we have six territories that we all have different rules that we follow I have been somewhat outspoken. That i think that some of these roles should should be the same no matter where we are residence. I believe the voter registration. We're we're such a mobile society today. I don't believe the of voter registration. Should differ whether you're in california and tomorrow you can be in. Vermont moved to provide And then you have a different set of rules so having said that i think states Have different ways of counting their ballots and in some states that do not use tag liters others do Some use them. Totally like your vermont. Were kind of a hybrid. We have about one hundred thousand that Count by hand. Those are generally the smaller towns about twenty percent of our state. Relation is countered by hand. The rest of count be tabulated about outer forty. Some odd town so you know we have different ways of doing it and We we do not accept postmarks here in vermont So you can't have. You can't mail your ballot back by in the mail with the postmark election day and have received two or three days. Later we are law. Vermont law says that The vote counting starts at seven pm on election night. and ballots up to that point. We'll be counted So there are some states who accept the postmark. And we'll we'll wait three days five days seven days I think even fourteen days metric california might be the longest i think they accept up to fourteen days You know and and this actually you know. Part of this is really could impact our overseas and military voters of getting those balanced back. So it's You know the process works in every state has different rules. And i think it'll be hard pressed if the president made a comment last night or morning That he's going to go to court to get them to stop the counting. I'm not a lawyer. But i understand talking to several lawyers. You can't do that the alright. I gotta stop you there Secretary jim condos state. Thank you very much for joining me this morning. We're about out of time. I really appreciate you sharing time with us on this busy. Post-election morning thank you sir. Let's go to the top of the hour break for some cbs news. We'll be back with more of the day graham. Show on the underside. Exciting things are happening. in more. In village the pitcher anymore in store are under. New management upgrades and improvements are in the works. Maintaining the ambiance and character while breathing new energy and resources into these iconic properties. We are open. While practicing all cdc protocols comfort lunch at iraq and delhi and see for yourself with the buzzes all about both businesses are hiring especially seeking fine dining room staff and sales associates for not still fun funky and friendly but better than ever open daily on main street warren village. It's the day graham show on wd fm and am with us in the second hour of our program this morning. Normally at this time we liked the lineup. One of our national correspondent. Cbs has been a lot of these folks in recent times with us. We are really grateful fat. Unfortunately they are either all busy or sleeping in a little after very late night last night and we are. We were unable to light up in your cbs folks. So we're happy to open the phone lines and let the listeners in here what do you think about where things stand in the presidential race and in the state races. Here in vermont. Happy to hear from you all of you. Any of you out there to four four one seven seven seven is a local number in waterbury the toll free number one eight seven seven to nine one eight two five five and i do believe we have a man who's been exhibiting quite a bit patient series. Been on the line for several minutes anyway. Chris from williamstown is with this morning chris. Good morning date. How are you today. Do and do are you. I'm good. I just like yourself. I'm i'm listening to the news and waiting to see where the elections fall. My so i've lived in vermont my entire life and i know that vermont is almost getting too expensive for me to live here and what i witnessed this morning is in support of what i just said that. When the secretary of state the top election official in the state has the time to be on the radio for. We'll say a half an hour but obviously he had to prepare and then he's after. I think maybe staff is too big well for myself reasons. I'm glad you asked time to be on the radio. Sometimes but i do why you feel that way and i understand why you would feel the way you do. I will say that for any public official. A there is a. I think a key. A key part of the function is conveying information to the public. And this is one of the ways that happens. Obviously the members of the public have quite a number of questions. In fact some of the questions. I was asking secretary condos. The last half hour were being emailed to me by listeners and just popping out of the woodwork kind of spontaneously. And you know might have had something else that i could have asked the next minute or two but i said to myself. That's actually a pretty good steal that one and this one and so i do think that there is. There are some folks out there with questions. And here's a public official coming along able to answer some of those questions and i think Basically that that process is is helpful. I dunno made me and call me bias. Because i definitely am on this one. There's somebody high. I agree i agree with you. I'm just thinking that in the. Let's say that he works a hundred and eighty days a year. And i'd probably not far off the mark. What probably is the most important day for him to be at his desk. Yeah it sounds like You know again. I will say if the if the mechanics and the machinery are working properly then it may not just be staff but it may be actually the town clerks out there doing their work of conveying results into the secretary of state's office in very timely way. The secretary of state's office has been performing an important public information function again by putting the results on its website. You can go up and you can go on there and look right now and find out what what percentage of the vote governor scott has gotten versus dave's ackerman or whatever and you are able to see pretty much real time as the ballots are counted and reported by town clerks out there what what is going on out there. Electoral landscape around for bought. I don't know. I think i actually think that that is an important government function to convey that information to people because obviously people want to know. They're the only other source for this kind of thing would be the media and you know have a knows. The media have been taking a beating economically and of course just in terms of rhetoric dish at them from the president and the president's supporters mainly these days. But i don't know if you'd want to rely purely on on tallies kept fly the statewide or national media. Let's either in terms of understanding what the election results really are. So i don't know. I i think that when you think about it really is to a large extent only information. It's laws are just bits of information put in books passed by legislatures and putting books and and then the fact that the government is planning on enforcing the law and and you are maybe a constraining. Your behavior by that a possibility. That's also just another piece of information. So you know. I've had this discussion with a talking with us. A top state official couple years ago and this person was trying to tell that the conveyance of the distribution of public information is not a core mission of government agencies. And i was arguing. Actually that it is that that the whole the whole edifice of government is built on the idea that we're conveying information. And so i. I'm gonna i'm gonna give you a little bit of pushback there. Did you have any other any other topics i wanted to get into. I'll just end with that I think we might be coming into a time where government needs to be more businesslike. And because i operate a business and i don't have a large staff that allows me to talk to you on the radio for half an hour. I have to get back to work all right all right. Thanks chris. hey let's go to david in burlington. Good morning david. Good morning. I made a mistake. This morning i read of other stuff before. I read heather cox. Richardson piece letters from an american As usual she puts everything in context makes me feel a little bit better. Entice ties together. A whole bunch of threats. She's a historian who teaches in boston. Who writes a daily blog. Post about what's going on right now and puts things into historical context. I learned a whole lot about the electoral college and history. That i've never seen anybody else. Attempt to unpack anywhere else in print. Heather cox richardson. She also uses the phrase which i learned from art gilman's piecing it lands a month ago the red mirage. I believe that's what we're seeing now in pennsylvania It looks so trump ahead. Because it's the people walking into the polls who've been told not to worry about the virus get on the day of but the Mail in votes from people. Who support biden trickle in and You know people have been predicting this. In including trump standing up and fallaciously declaring victory really would love to have this go into the courts. That's why the gop is filed hundreds of lawsuits in a trance. Election day So y- just a recommendation of heather cox richardson's daily piece. She is she's she is excellent and really very thoughtful and and i like her sort of calm approach. He doesn't go to a lot of hyperbole. And but just sorta digs in and analyzes the present situation and she is a historian so she she approaches things from from that perspective analogs to earlier times and so on in us history and very very welcome addition to the to the sort of radar screen out. Whatever the heck it is so thank you for that That recommendation. David said she put this stuff up at two three four in the morning. I hope she gets. You know a pay raise from her university or tenure or a book deal or something out of this. If as most of the subscribers to her blog are not paying anything for. Yeah he's wonderful. Hey dave keep up the good work. We'll try thanks david all right. Let's go to. i believe it. Stephen mooresville is next in line here. Good morning steve. Yeah hi dave. Good morning I i wonder why all the standards subject elections on the same like by the time. The ballot has come in or how many days after can be counted or whether everyone can mail in there are no one can maryland. How come it's not handed across america. That's all my wonder and now thanks very good. Question steve. Thank you for the call. I concur. I think at least there ought to be i mean. I know that there's a lot of talk about state's rights and federalism in our tradition of allowing the constitutional cost to she. Talks about states administering elections. And so on but i i would think that that would still allow the federal government to basically promote a set of best practices in perhaps backup that promotion with money or with The denial of money if if those best practices are not followed. So that you wouldn't have a situation where you know. Florida managed to get all of its vote in yesterday and counted by last night enough so that everybody knew that president trump had won florida by by the went to bed at ten and eleven o'clock last night and but the case is different in in many other states and merely because they have made decisions in their own legislatures for instance. Not to count early ballots at a time. I don't know logistically why you could not have had all of the early ballots in every state counted yesterday morning as the polls opened on election day. Just seems like you get the work done. That's in front of you first. And then and then the continuing work that comes in which is the live votes on election day. Then you count. Those should be a shorter inquiry election day because whatever votes came in early are not being added to the tally on election day. So there's actually less to count on election day logically. All of that works in my mind. I don't know why It's not the norm around the country. And maybe congress indoor president at some point ought to look at that and say. Let's figure out a way to make sure that we do. We do sort of gear up our days here for maximum efficiency. Maximum security of the vote. Now one one thing of course that Folks say about the fact that states all run their own elections is that nobody can hack a whole national system and change the outcome nationally. Because there's no national system that exists and that may be a healthy thing and it sorta we write that small here in vermont in terms of the individual vote. Counting machines in town offices are not tied into any kind of a network. So you can't hack it. I mean if you're not on the internet you don't get act that sort of a pretty basic security idea. I would think so. There are benefits to having having individually individual states manage their own elections. Because there ever were hacking problem or something like that. You'd have a big firewall. Which would be basically be that state's borders and so i mean there are advantages. And you don't wanna give up completely but you also have as i say sort of list of best practices. You know you should count all of the early incoming ballots by close of business on the day before election day. We state you do that. And here's some federal money. If you make a promise that you will do that and next time you don't get the money if you fail to keep that promise or something like that. You know how these things work so with matt dickinson political science professor at middlebury college and frequent guest here on the graham show and w e b fm and am and also joining us. Steve pappas He's the editor of the times. Artists and rutland herald and Wanted to get the perspective of These two gentlemen as we head into the final segment of today's Dave graham show here on. wd a So i hope that we have with us. Steve are you there you on the phone with us. I am excellent. Well thanks for joining me and matt tickets. That are you with us as well okay. We'll give it another minute to get connected with matt. Steve just I'm i'm curious to get your thoughts and sort of how you think the outcome year In this Special election we'll sort of play in vermont or you hearing from readers community members etc already About how they see See the overall outcome know. I think i haven't actually heard that much. Other than people are As expected on pins and needles. I think that I think one of the one of the comforting things That we saw in a lot of ways happen here in vermont is that there was a Kind of a push for incumbents to be returned to office and i think that that For whatever reason a lot of folks have been talking to me about how they that name recognition that that the people that you know the people who've been doing hard work and the the hard work that's coming You know needs a certain amount of stability. And i think that for monitor's certainly showed in big numbers yesterday they wanted to You know put people back into office. Who they who they know and trust and So at least in washington county and in to a certain degree in rutland county But certainly in washington county was. It was a sweep by the incumbent. So it was. It was a fantastic number of Incumbents that were returned and That again is the thing that i think people have been talking to me more out today. you know it's just there's so much speculation and Into the realm of the unknown right now. And the what ifs. And i've heard a few people talking about exactly what you were talking about before the break about Specifically pennsylvania know why why would you not have a process in place where You know you were being more efficient and you were being more thoughtful and mindful that this was going to be a hard situation going into it and You know. I think my editorial today actually talks about how you know regardless of what the outcome is And obviously when i wrote it i had no idea that You know who is going to win. I wrote it yesterday afternoon. It three But it does speak to the fact that there are things that we need to do. The nation moving forward that really look at what the reforms need to be in in the process. And if there are things that are outdated and things that just You know are not working. Look at polling for example i. I don't think i don't feel like pulling is a terribly. Accurate provides terribly accurate representation anymore. i may be in the minority on that. But i don't feel like You know the the the system has set up right now is is terribly efficient And really takes into consideration A lot of the changes that we've seen over time through technology and you know mail in voting and in the success that we've had with that in here in vermont certainly would speak to A call that we you know. We need more of that in other places in the country. So i mean you. The there has been less about hand-wringing this morning. Because i think everyone just wants to know one way or the other and you know just need a decision at this point. You know you mentioned the the fact that incumbents it very well yesterday and And it is interesting that the only the only statewide office in vermont that will change hands will in fact be the only office that was open. That was the office of lieutenant governor. Because they've soccer and of course ran for governor and was defeated by incumbent. Phil scott So i'm wondering Do you think that the power of incumbency was enhanced this year just because maybe people were looking for stability and continuity in the face of so much uncertainty nationally. I do. I feel like there's a fatigue and you the people wanted to go with with individuals. They knew we were intrigued. Last night as we were going through the results in some of the towns northfield example where there was no consistency. it was You know the incumbents who were returned where republicans but then You know the democrats were the the least Vote-getters in in certain other races With the state senate and and and other things like that and it was it was it was a I'm sorry for for the For statewide offices and it was it was just interesting. That people were voting Were in some cases voting for both they were not voting for party and And i think that that does speak to You know that old adage that you know vermont of vote vote their mind and not necessarily party and I absolutely like folks needed some feel like they need some comfort and stability right now. Well let's talk about this. All after the great he's go to the our cbs's sponsors. I promise that we will be. They could sit into the conversation to. We got a little bit of late this morning. But we'll We will be back in just a couple minutes folks. Exciting things are happening more in village. The pitcher anymore in store are under. New management upgrades and improvements are in the works maintaining the ambiance and character while breathing new energy and resources into these iconic properties. We are open while practicing all cdc protocols. Come for lunch at iraq delhi. And see for yourself with the buzzes. All about both businesses are hiring especially seeking fine dining room staff and sales associates for our still funky and friendly but better than ever open daily mainstream village. It's the dave ramsey show on wgn remaining in louisville science professor at college. Steve pappas the editor of the times argus and the rutland herald and Man i wanted to check in with you to find out What do you make of the national The the presidential race in the county. And it's going on now Are some folks are saying that you know a lot of this process of having to count the The Early mail in ballots in some key states And it would take into wednesday and thursday or friday And here we are is. Should this be a surprise to anyone. What what do you make of all this. It shouldn't surprise if anybody who's going to my pre-election talks I had three words for them. Pittsburg pittsburg pittsburg pennsylvania pennsylvania pennsylvania That's a combination of a convergence of factors here One is pennsylvania's really the key state. And it's very competitive to the supreme court ruled that under pennsylvania law. They can accept a ballots that come in after election day as long as postmark by election. Day in three pennsylvania's not allowed to begin processing. They're both male and votes on election day. Unlike stay vermont where you could check off the voter checklist of mail ballots. That arrived before election day. So those three factors in conjunction means. We're going to be waiting days probably before pennsylvania is this i and it so happens spencer they dt state and the rice And is there any path where biden could win without pennsylvania in other words if he runs the table through michigan wisconsin and arizona. Georgia that That one you lectoure. Congressional district in nebraska. Does that do it for him. Yeah he could win that way Again there's uncertainty fox's called arizona. Sure anyone else has for for biden. Trump is claiming. He's gonna win nevada. It's looking strong for biden in wisconsin and michigan at this point but you know let the votes get counted. I know people want to jump the gun here and start claiming voter fraud. It is not unusual for us not to know who won the election immediately after election day Vote-counting takes awhile. Well i i People get mad at me for doing this. But i i gotta say when you say people are trying to jump the gun here and started to talk about voter fraud. Who's the main person doing that. Well i think i get what you're going through. Certainly president trump is not helping nor are his supporters. But i have to be honest with you on social media or getting it a little bit from both sides here. but you're right the of the two candidates. Now keep in mind if we stop counting right now As donald trump claims joe biden would would have won the presidency. So it's kind of Counter-productive for donald trump to say. Stop counting the votes now. He would lose yeah. There was a time earlier in the night though. I think when if they if they stop code counting the President trump emerges as the winner. Right then right. Yeah that there were some early returns before. They the mailed in ballots which are trending democrat recounted in some states it looked like It had the counting stop. Trump would be the victor but nobody. I mean you have to count these mail ballots. that's just how it is. Yeah one one I i think. I heard it was bob woodward i think made the point on one of the cable channels. He was being interviewed and he said that a key difference between this and the situation in two thousand is that the the counting that was stopped by the supreme court in two thousand and bush versus gore. Case was actually counting Of ballots in florida. That had already been counted In and in this case what trump seems to be asking for is Is to stop counting. As opposed to stop recounting Does that square with your understanding of the situation as well yeah. That's precisely right if you'll remember your listeners. In two thousand what was that dispute was interpreting. Vote with a vote. That was the whole hanging chad. And the state supreme court had said we've got to do a whole recount. We're not there yet using this election. We haven't even finished the first count. So it's a distinct difference Donald trump has left legal standing here Then the bush administration or the bush campaign did in two thousand and i. I wonder I haven't really heard any any allegations. Here. that the individual votes kind of physically. You having problems like hanging chads or whatever We we i mean. Maybe this'll come at a later stage somehow but as of now the votes that are coming in overnight say in michigan and turning the apparent result there from from detroit column to the biden columns Nobody is saying that those boats or somehow flawed ended up themselves correct cetera Again there will be some localized Problems with vote-counting isolated incidents but It would have to come down to a close state. That is the tipping point state in which the margin of victory for that candidate is in dispute. We are nowhere near that point yet. Steve let me bring you back in here and ask you My sort of sensitive and awful lot of folks here remind you know it was just stuff i see online. I'm on facebook friends and conversations with people in the forward and so on and so forth Is that vermont. of course. which is you know. One of the earliest have not the earliest eight to declare for For biden in in this race in for hillary last time Certainly is different from many many other parts of the country and may not be able to kind of get why why the race is so close nationally I mean do you think that this is This is a sign. That vermont is sort of I dunno often. It's little world or out of touch with the rest of the country. Or what the heck's going on here well between politics and covert. I feel like we actually are not some kind of a strange little bubble but i i don't i don't think anybody in vermont is feeling terribly surprised this morning. Dave i think that people knew that this was going to be a close race. I don't think they knew that it was going to be this close And and i you know. I certainly concur with let that said that we have to just let these votes be counted at this point because The the the processes first phase of this process isn't even complete and i think that As much as the rest of the country doesn't like it that vermont don't like it And you know they want they want resolution one way or another but I do feel like one of the things that promote has going for it. is for one the constant reassurance that we've had in the months leading up to book the primary into this general election our that. Our process is in fact secure. The secretary of state is did a very nice job of being able to articulate in various different formats whether it was social media or advertising or commentaries to you know indicate that that here in vermont. Our process is safe. It is it is is going to work in. It's going to work way You know it should here at the times. Argus last night we had We had one hundred percent of the results from the washington county towns. Before eleven o'clock last night we had more than half of them after nine o'clock last night and enrolling county The same thing was true. We had ten towns that didn't reach out to us but now thirty one of thirty one towns. had responded unfortunately after our deadline last night we couldn't get the completely results of the senate race down there but it it works. It works when it needs to and You know may be that. We're a small enough population And we had those processes in place for dealing with the mail in ballots and processing them early and in anticipating what. The time management challenges. We're going to be last night but You know. I think we kind of sit back and do watch. What's going on in the rest of the country and say you know what i can't you be a little bit more like you know we are here And you know just kind of you know if it doesn't seem like it's working right. Let's let's do all we can to fix it That is a broad generalization. That is going to yield years of debate between now and the next election. I'm sure but You know certain things have to happen. Between now and the next election. I think To restore a voters american voters faith in this process. Yeah i i guess. The reason i was asking is because i sort of sense that there are some vermont. Who kind of expected that. This is going to be a blowout for joe biden around the country. Because i think the general the general view here is that trump has been you know In at least among many many honors you know the the strong majority who supported by trump's been a disaster as president and that And and and the idea that directs that the rest of the country would somehow not get that as clearly as vermont has gotten that Would be you know surprising. Disappointing however you want to describe it And i'm just wondering that does that mean that all depends on. I think that all depends on the side of the algorithm to your on dave. You know but. I mean i'm i. I think i think the you know one side of the algorithm here for one very heavily much more heavily populated than the other. I think i think That would be fair to say and and you know. I could say that just objectively if you look at the outcome. I think trump out. What was it thirty. Two percent in vermont Last last For in this election and And that is You know we get less than a third of the vote that tells you that The state definitely has as a as a whole has a pretty strong preference or matt dickinson. What do you think my on my own. Track there or or and not about vermont's different from the rest of the country here. I think there is A degree to which vermont irs are in something of an ideological bubble here And keep in mind They did vote for phil. Scott so Yeah not that. They're they can't appreciate candidates and the other side and they voted for him for an overwhelming majority would fill scott is not representative of the republican party. And i i do think there is a a an inability for a lot of a mantra. Really understand the sources of trump's support and sort of dismiss it entirely predicated on racial bigotry. And so on So yeah i think. I think you are right. I mean and that's the thing is that i don't I don't i don't think it's helpful to Just a a scribe all of this to race into to accused trump supporters of being racist. And all that sort of thing because labeling and shaming doesn't seem to have been very effective in changing anybody's mind here and. I don't know what are you know. Sort of how The cultural divide that seems to have formed in this country gets bridged What were the more effective ways that it might be bridged and maybe it's Maybe people on the liberal side who need who need to move in some respects How do i mean matt. How do you think How do you think that can happen or will happen. Or maybe it won't happen. Well the i think the point that you made is that you don't demonize the other side and then get them to try to adopt your views. You i andrei sorts of their views. And then you engage in conversation. That's what politics is about to often stage to demonizing them without understanding stage one. Why do they vote the way they vote. Yeah you know And it certainly you know this is this is not a not a habit That it's exclusive to one side. I mean you know you see a lot of online postings from people who lean right and and and You see words like lip card and and all these other sort of insults directed and the left and i occasionally will tell people that When you when you start out on a mission to describe a group which you do not belong. You're in very dangerous territory if you're trying to get your facts right because I mean just just for one example if you were to say You know all people on the left Favor abortion rights. Well there are some people on the left who are really would be Quite strongly pro labor and maybe Favor you know high taxes for the rich and forms of wealth redistribution Maybe leans socialist but still be Still be opposed to abortion just for one example and so therefore when you make that statement that people on the left. are in in In favor of you know maximum abortion rights you just made an incorrect statement or at least in some number of cases and And so i. I mean that's just kind of a simple and obvious example of a much more pervasive problem here which is which is generated when people try to describe groups to which they do not belong. I don't know whether any of the any of the not take the folks about that Overtime that in fact they don't seem to have actually but That's just a that's that's just one thought about all this. I mean my or my crazy. What are you what are you. What do you think steve. Well i mean you. And i've talked about this a few times in different context and i you know i have said all along that you know as much as i like to have a lively editorial page with lots of voices on it I i. It's always been a growing concern to me that We don't talk about issues very well in anymore. And i and a lot of that has to do with the formation that we're all getting from our like minded you know Algorithm driven friends on facebook. Or whatever it happens to be but we we actually don't talk Or debate or discuss and we certainly don't compromise very well anymore Especially when the chips come down And i feel like It's one of the you know there. There are lots of reasons that people kind of You know ascribe to why this is happening. But we we're not open to different perspectives. Very much and we're very very quick to judge More so it feels like more so now than ever before and that may not be true. But i you know i certainly point to the fact that you can find anything to support any idea that you happen to have on the internet. And that can be construed does truth in fact and you know support and That may not be at all true and it may take us very far away from the real core issues and and essential arguments or tenants of of a debate. We're just you know it bothers me that we kind of talk away from each other now Rather than to each other that help explain the fact that donald trump barely won the election and twenty sixteen young lost. The popular vote won the electoral college with a very narrow margin in three key states and And then four years later you look back on this presidency and you see that You know you've had. I at least i think it's about thirty criminal. Convictions against members of the trump team the campaign and administration over this period of time And then of course. This isn't just democrats charts this as an independent judiciary including that people are guilty of crimes. you've had the the fact that this president is the only one in american history to seek reelection after being impeached You have the fact that The president's handling of the coronavirus crisis has been very widely criticized. And we have two hundred and thirty something thousand. I doubt americans And all you look at all of that and you might think that a guy who won very very narrow narrowly won the election Might have a tough time in the next one and yet he's Apparently right within the within striking distance the word of the last one ended up please explain is an important one when you look at the exit polls and who voted for trump and who voted for biden. They're nearly identical to what the exit poll suggested about the sources of clinton's support and Trump support in two thousand sixteen. We have gender gap We have favoring Biden we have favoring. Let's put it this way. More women voting for biden men. We we have the division White voters voting for trump including white women. We have younger voters going biden. We had suburban voters going by in other words not a significant shift in the electorate. Then part of that is you just laid out the case for why. It's kinda surprising that trump didn't do worse but many trump supporters are looking at those same incidents income Interpreting them differently so the impeachment was driven by some craze left wing socialist in the house and he was acquitted in the senate Indictments were based on the deep state of Investigating trying to you know. Use the law to get out somebody out of power and it gets something steve's i think is putting the finger on here for the sort of the people who dominate political discourse. You know they're not a majority of americans. Most americans aren't listening into the dave. Graham show unfortunately You know they're busy figuring out how to send your kid to school. On a covid era and conversation tends to get dominated by those activists that both sides who kinda spin facts in ways that tend to support them. In ultimately the voters have to choose between these two interpretations. They can't say a pox on both your candidates So you know they just and it looks like we're going to have divided government at the end if the republicans hold the senate and biden wins. They just sort of They're not happy with either party that that does seem to be case. It's i don't know whether that's a healthy situation. I mean maybe Sort of balanced symmetry year and he's talking about divided. Government is a is a positive but in terms of getting anything done. I suspect that You know. Mitch mcconnell famously. Said it'd being the obama administration that he was his plan to try to block everything that President obama might wanna do it. And and see to obama would be a one term president He only partially seated. And all those goals. Mainly blocking a lot of obama's agenda The And here we are once again in this situation where possibly i mean it looks. It's looking increasingly likely like Like joe biden could hang on and gain narrow bakery here but then be back in the situation where for all of the legislation and coming out of the house just ended up dying and senate again and we'd be back into this wheel spinning mode. i i i you know and i maybe maybe Maybe that's the best way to go. There was a cooling the ambition of people who would otherwise Turn us into socialist workers paradise or something but I i don't know i. I imagine where basically both sides will end up rather frustrated in in progress would be Shall we say minimal. Anyway to kind of crack this riddle. Maybe twenty twenty four some at some point in the not too distant future i think one product i would jump in over the not going for a year again today. You're going to say volunteers wanted to have a few more one of the timeline. Actually let me let me put the question to to matt first and then i'll ask us what you think. Matt thoughts a very quickly. I saw steve i i. I'm having trouble hearing you. So i didn't know you were talking You know i think dave you're absolutely right. What both sides in leadership positions have an incentive to do is to say well if we only want a few more votes. We could've flipped a couple more states. We could have won the senate. Let's let's campaign campaign for the next four years rather than try to govern together. Steve thirty seconds. Yeah i mean i. That was kind of my point as well is that this is an opportunity for us to to allow for more productive to use the frustration and the concern that we have and in turn that negative energy into something that loses a direction toward problem solving instead of probably on tap at the medic. Thank you both very much joining us. The insights and we'll talk again today. The big day rancho take offence radio and Without y'all the day.

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"Wd. It's your show about the people places and the issues that matter the most to you. Now here's your host Dave Graham. Good Morning Vermont it is Tuesday. August the eleventh twenty twenty and we have good show lineup for you this morning, it's primary day in Vermont and we're going to be kicking it off with a conversation with the Zander land digger political writer on that online news outlet Give us the lay of the land what what what are the hot raises to watch this primary day. When what else might be breaking today in the second half hour, we're going to begin with John Clarke speaking of breaking news. Just came out yesterday relieve and I guess he filed papers early last week the John Clark is. Maintaining his option anyway run. As an independent should he lose the? his. Challenge to Governor Phil Scott for the Republican Gubernatorial Nomination John Clarke has been making a name for himself in the shall we say the conservative end of the Republican SPEC spectrum and? He if he if he doesn't win the nomination outright in the Republican Party today, he says he's likely to run as an independent in the fall. WE'RE GONNA be talking to John About that in the second half hour of the program this morning some CBS News at the top of the hour, and then some individual analysis from CBS news journalist. Pam will be joining us to talk us both about the global picture of Corona virus. It's looking somewhat different in other parts of the world although. There are upticks everywhere. It seems and then she also may have some words force about this situation in Beirut where that horrible explosion occurred last week apparently tied to just really really bad shipping safety. Problems and. So we will be talking with her about that and then in the latter, the balance of the latter hour of the program where. Our guest. Secretary of State Jim, condos, and we're really happy to have the secretary joining us on this primary day to talk about this primary election and The mail in ballots that have become a big feature of voting this year in this your of the Corona Virus and. Be, talking with him about that as well as just some. Longstanding questions about primaries and how they operate over Mont. why do you have to just vote in one party's primary and take only one of the three ballots and discard the other two and all the rest of that. So been giving some emails lately from listeners about just kind of long standing questions about our primary system in Vermont and me, we get the secretary of state to answer some of those as well. So that should be good good conversation later on But first, let's get right into it with zander landon of et digger Dot Org. I believe he is on the phone with us this morning good. Morning Zander, thank you so much for joining us. Thank. You asked me. To do it. So we got this little primarily going around today and what are the races that are of most interest to a journalist like yourself what what's what's the what's hot and what's not and give us the lay of the land? Sure. So I think the two biggest rates. the Governor Drake and Lieutenant Governor say in those raises are had a big for. The obvious reason those are the two most significant political position in Vermont state government obviously the governor In any state is the highest ranking official Lieutenant Governor is going to be the person who takes over the governor has to Has To leave or passes away and so basically obviously those are two very important joff and they're also Particularly, indicates of the governor's race. highly competitive races and on the governor side as well among. Democrats and Republicans on the governor's died you know on the Democratic Governor's race. You have choose very qualified Democrat, the crash David Document who's the incumbent Lieutenant Governor and Rebecca. Holcombe former Education Secretary those are sort of a main contenders in that race, and then you have patuone attorney as Bennington and on these on the Republican side you obviously have. So Scott the incumbent Republican governor and his main challenger and this primaries, John Clarke He'll attorney and farmer and who sort of challenging Scott on the right. So you know that race is going to be very interesting Particularly you know I think we can assume that. Phil. Scott it's pretty safe although you never know I think. In general he's gotten a lot of scrapers response to Kobe nineteen and his management of the pandemic. I think on the democratic side is we're going to be a little more. you know interesting or You know things are a little more up in the air. You know he's going to get the nomination take on. So Scott in the fall. And then on the Lieutenant Governor's race. Crowd, he'll. Give four fact buying the to the nomination you have two Republicans. They're actually more more like four or five Republican vying for the nomination. For Lieutenant Governorship that really opened up that opened up when gave document who's running for Governor decided that begin arriving announced he would be so in January and that sort of led to an avalanche interesting among the political candidates in Vermont who wanted to. Run for Lieutenant Governorship because that, that position is. sort of an important one although there are very few sort of duties. If the lieutenant governor has that sort of directly have to do with, you know managing state government it is a very important bowl politically into state Sort of sort of Steppingstone June figure jobs like the governorship or maybe running for Congress. So a lot of people would you know political ambition that job and we saw that happened you know when? When when David Duck decided he would step down around governor. Yeah, IT'S A. I think the main, the main attraction lieutenant governor's race. That seat. This year is the fact that it's open You know it's it's always tougher in in certainly Vermont bears this out in modern times anyway tougher to run against the sitting incumbent who is running for reelection. And we're seeing that play out in the governor's race this year of course, with Phil Scott who is Running for reelection for. On a very very. Strong, record of managing this coronavirus crisis in Vermont he's really gotten a lot of praise from across the political spectrum for that. And the So but one thing that let me ask you sort of I don't know a question about the gubernatorial race for starters that I. Just. Follow the scenario out a little bit there. There is significant dissatisfaction with Governor Phil Sky at least reflected, you know online and on twitter and facebook, and so on in some of the some of the conservative media outlets in Vermont. Because he essentially, he's perceived on the right as somebody who is not sufficiently right even though he is a Republican and You know there's this old story primaries that it's mainly the party activists who turn out are the people who are really. Have have strong motivation strong political views Cetera et Cetera is there enough of sort of activist right wing in the Republican Party. That they could really give give Phil Scott scare today. Well I think John Clark, who, as I said, the governor's main competition in this primary would are. There is enough There is an activist or conservative Republican fat dissatisfaction with the Governor to to sort of unseat. I think that you know I would probably point to the last time. We had a primary election in the two years ago, which was right after Governor Scott signed package of gun laws. That came after the sort of nearly averted shooting in Fairhaven grade. School that that that move obviously was sort of used by second amendment advocates. people who you know had fought Phil Scott was gonna sort of sort of hold the line on the states you know sort of gun laws and attempts to. Put in place you know gun control or gun control restrictions as a betrayal You know that so that happened in two, thousand eighteen and a few months after that, you had a primary and one the only person that challenge Bill Scott that year was a man named, Stern. He's turned You know was really a political newcomer much like John Quarry. and he ran on the Second Amendment Platform that you know not governor was you know you know the governor had betrayed gun rights activist. that he sort of undue sort of the work that Phil Scott Good to implement gun control legislation and there was a lot of concern you know even in the camp. this could you know? The actions on gun control could lead to close primary election or maybe you know maybe even you know is there and the question of. is there an update satisfaction to unseat him and that that election? I think. Showed that there there wasn't enough. Support on the far right or among control advocates beginning he's got thirty percent of vote and the governor has got about seventy percents so. Late after sort of the most. sort of controversial thing that the governor did. Sort of upset people on the right I mean you could argue that there are many other things he's done too upset conservative as well. I mean he signed pretty expansive abortion protections into law last year, which John also uses a reason that. The governor has. Moved towards the center and shouldn't be an office you could argue that. In. General supported majority in the legislature your. Issues and you could also argue that you know in. Argue that he hasn't done enough to cut regulations lower taxes, etc.. So. Yeah there's an argument to be made and I I. You know I don't think that there's any evidence though that there's enough of a faith. WHO's a Republican? Voters were conservative others who were dissatisfied and will turn out to unseat him You. It's more likely that was going to it was going to happen. Years ago. Well. It's a broader range of issues though I mean, you said Keith Stern ran on that second amendment issue a couple years ago you know th this year I think I think John Car checks that box he also checks The pro-life box and he is he's been skeptical about. About the well, he wanted to add add something to the black lives matter mural on main street, and so the whole sort of stance and attitude directed toward. Issues of a racial equality and so on there is some constituency in Vermont which is I think skeptical of that mural on state street right and maybe he's appealing maybe he is appealing to to some of those folks as well. So I I. Don't know I sort of and also I I frankly think that he is. He's he's a very smart guy. You know he's the he speaks like intellectual really and he has He's I think he's he's presented himself as quite as strong. Candidate I, didn't get the impression from Keith Stern a couple years ago that he really got out as much and got his name into. into the and it's possible to that. You know we have seen the significant uptick. Of Real Conservative, right wing. Media infrastructure in Vermont in just in the last couple of years. That may end up having an impact here because you know you start to see kind of an echo chamber there where these issues are getting aired. Mr Clark argument right now is, is that he is thinking about running as an independent and I want to ask you sander. What impact that might have on the general election in your from your perspective but I, you know he's he's a saying he was arguing asking for some a series of debates with Governor Scott during the primary season. Scott declined and. So, now Clark saying we'll. Maybe we'll have to run into independent in the fall. So I can get on a debate stage in air my issues. Yeah I I don't know I. my sense is as a stronger candidate than Keith Stern B. He is touching more issues than keith stern really seem disinterested in getting after a couple of years ago. and. So we'll have to see I I I. I tend to agree with you that there's not going to be. I give it a pretty slim chance. That clar would bump off Phil Scott, and in this primary but I I, it'll be I wanNA watch the numbers and see whether he does better than Keith started did a couple years ago I mean obviously. I think. that. You know there was a real a real wave at the time twenty of just data section with the governor. And stuff yet. So I I just think that if there was a time, you know that would that would be a better time for a candidate to sort of come in and have sort of bad advantage I think that. I'm sure that there still disatisfaction on the right on the gun issue I don't think that that's gone away and I think that Jon Clarke has run. As you said a pretty strong campaign for someone who has never held off it's in Vermont before and he's also. got a ticket of candidates. Running Republican candidate across state for positions. Including state representatives, they said it they offices like auditor and. Lieutenant Governor he's organized the screw, it'd be originally called the Republican. Sort of the Monica and then eventually dropped that name but. I do think that just in general you know the governor's name recognition, the governor sort of handling. Kobe while it has been somewhat Somewhat I think actually probably according to the reason told it came out from Vermont PBS and and The the our last week you could argue based on that data probably more Democrats support the governor's handling of covid. Republicans do There was actually a downward sort of. Sort of tipped in his approval of covid supporting this polling after the governor said that he wanted to state statewide math mandate. So that's another issue. Maybe setting some people on the right when he issued that mandate, but I do think just in general his popularity is named recognition the fact that he's the incumbent. GonNa. Carry the. venture. Yup. I I I. Think you're right. I just You know it's fun to speculate. Does this stuff though? which is always Something journalists love to do in the run up to election and primary morning of sure. By tomorrow morning, we'll all be You know whistling different tune or whatever, but it. It is a it is kind of fun to. What could happen you know? So. Anyway Zander land that is my guest. He's fluent who rewarded with the villa bt digger DOT ORG. What am I doing here? And the Dot Org of course, covers the heck out of state government and other issues here in Vermont and Terrific online news site. Go go to that site and get filled in on the daily happenings Vermont and make make a contribution that's the nonprofit. Essentially. Charitable Organization that is devoting the money raises to hiring people like zander landed to do some excellent political coverage. Hey, Zander Let's talk. Let's turn our attention to the lieutenant gubernatorial race, which is really I think maybe the most fascinating. Part of this is the on a in the Democratic primary we have these four candidates who are all putting up you know a credible fight I think a lot of people are talking about molly gray somebody who has been kind of a surprise came out of nowhere in terms of you know really past political involvement, Vermont she's been an assistant attorney general but that's that's. Staff Job for. An elected officer, who is the Attorney General? But also sudden she emerges as as somebody who conceivably could win today's primary many people's estimation. What do you? What do you make of all this? It's been really interesting to watch your campaign and. When she announced you running out the gate. Back in January, she got endorsements from a lot of. Prominent Democrats in Vermont Madeleine Kunin former Democratic governor a bunch of former party in you know officials in the Democratic Party and and. You know people that have been major donors to the party over the years she has you know Comes from a family that's been sort of Historically politically involved in the state she has been working in the government used to work for you know representative Peter Welch. Feed. So she has a lot of political connections. She's also run a really strong campaign And in working really. Hard to connect with people all around the staple January before coded. Hip and I think that that is sort of giving her an advantage because there are a lot of You know I would say there are two other people in this race who are legislators. And who have been tied down in having respond to? Nineteen crisis and had to deal with an extended legislative session have been able to campaign in the same way that always great has Senate president. Who obviously is presiding or leading the Senate and it's in its daily duties and sort of there for. hadn't been able to really start campaigning until. Really late June early. July. thing with senator. Debbie Ingram obviously in the Senate as well And so I think molly molly been. Campaigning for a long for longer and have that advantage Alpha's think that. You know he He. He's definitely got a story that needs to be meeting with a lot of democratic voters she about farm in. Vermont Berry And it's sort of been here for a long time. There's also you know they're. The minor. Controversies, maybe the wrong word but Points about her record that had come under press scrutiny such as sort of her residency status she's she spent a lot of time abroad Switzerland. And is uncertain legal work abroad and Work for various rights causes and digger had reporting back weeks ago. Or last month sort of questioning you know some people questioning whether you know her time abroad eligible eligible to to run because of the four year residency requirement for Lieutenant Governors the Lieutenant Governor's office. and then you know a lot of legal experts have said well. From what we can tell, she's fine and she she does qualify So you know she's definitely gotten a lot of press attention sort from the beginning of of her run. You Man. has been campaigning for a longer period of time. One thing interesting here as Andrew I. Think we talked about this briefly the other day was. The fact that the With mail in balloting I heard some political ads on the radio last week. I was thinking to myself way. You know if these ads are all convincing, maybe they are convincing people who have already voted. As a little late. Now, folks what what kind of changes are we going to see in strategy advertising wise going forward if we start shifting in a really big way to mail in ballots in a more of an election season than election day. Well I. Think what are the main things that were we've already? Hearing about is that. Candidates are are sort of going after or targeting people who have requested absentee ballots and you can get that information from the state who has requested. a ballot to be sent to their home and So you know candidates have sort sort of started this. You already sort of adapted and started calling from. and don't you know sort of targeting those those people who they they know are likely to vote in an election and that's a little different than in a typical year where you haven't maybe registered registered voters but you don't have you don't you don't. You don't know for certain whether someone's GonNa turn out or not in a given year I guess you could argue that whether someone is a question about to sent to their houses a good indication of whether they want to participate in a given election That's interesting. That you know people can send send these things back at any point you know. You know the weeks leading up to the election. So for many people you know Eleventh Hour Television Ads. The week of an election may not sway them because they've already made up their decision. So it is a really interesting dynamic and I'm not sure how it's sort of in the long term you know depending on how much this sort of changes the way that Vermont. Vote You know how much to change the way that people campaign I mean we've already seen. Candidates launch sort of TV ads in a variety of races including. Chinden County Senate race. last week And you know a at that point, a lot of people had already voted. For seeing needed, you know already we're seeing you according to the Secretary of State's office more people voting. And Returning Dallas you know this year I think Zander I got interrupted. We brought out of time but I was just GonNa say I think that if if this mail in balloting stuff is the new normal, we are GONNA see huge changes in strategies around campaign advertising. In Iran? Campaigning General. So that's of course so much. It's so much of it is advertising Hayes Andrew. Land of dig Dot Org I really WanNa thank you for joining me this morning. It's good to get a a primer on the primary as we head into today. So thank you very much. You bet thanks a bunch of. Already Hey. Let's take the bottom of the hour break for some CBS. News WE'RE GONNA. Be Talking with John Clark candidate for governor on the other side be itching to get out explore state, Don your mask and come to the Warren store in the beautiful. Mad River valley. 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Word yesterday that John Clar, a Republican candidate for governor he'd been running in the and is running in the Republican primary election against the incumbent governor, Phil Scott, and but juncture filed other day to run as an independent in the general election If he does not prevail against Governor Scott Today, he says he plans on pursuing this independent candidacy and. interesting strategy there we thought we would bring John Clar on the program this morning to To check in with him about it and find out what what the thinking is a Cetera. So I do believe he's with US ON THE PHONE MR clarity there. Yes sir. Thanks for having me. Day. Thank you for joining us So you filed paperwork on the I guess on the deadline last Thursday? The bedia caught up with it. Yesterday has ever interviews published last night yesterday in. This morning's newspapers. And? Tell me a little bit about your your decision here to file paperwork to run as an independent thinking said in on the phone yesterday to me that a lot of it has to do with debate appearances. So what's the? Tell. Our listeners what the thinking is. Well that's actually where initially became an idea when I don't know if everyone knows. But I had challenged Phil Scott to a series of debates and I indicated in a very public press relief and released and letter to him that if he did not agree to debate why wouldn't I run as an independent tab? My voice heard for on behalf of the Vermont represent. But also. So last week we knew the deadline was Thursday we had a press conference with my staff of Five I beg your pardon unimpressed convicts conference and in that I said, well, we don't have to decide whether or not. We we I run as an independent. We just have to decide whether or not we file to reserve that possible there's a deadline but what I find interesting about even the way you introduced the question because as you know, it's all over the media is that last week alone I issued a press release. For Twenty Two candidates actually about twenty five, filing an application to put liberty and justice for all in front of the State House and the liberal media didn't touch and I should a press release that I had nine more candidates to run with the on Thursday with a press conference in front of the State House, and now we have about thirty five plus people running on this economic platform and the media didn't come. And I also issued a press release on Friday about TJ Donovan's extensive involvement with planned parenthood in ways that are collusion in perhaps. Unethical and the press didn't cover it and on Thursday I never issued a press release I was in there for the press release on the candidates I just dropped the form off to keep my finger in, keep the book open for possibility and to have this discussion and Lo and behold the press is all over and I never even told anybody, and so it's very telling that the media are so scrambling to figure out what I'm up to when they don't want to cover the issues that I'm all about. So I guess I'm being rewarded for finding as an independent because I'm having a voice including this interview and I thank you for having me on to discuss it. Well. I'm glad to do that. I'll also say that I was unaware of these releases that you issued last week I'm I'm looking here to see whether the end the they ended up in my spam folder or if I am not on your email list because I am actually kind of curious to I. You know for for instance I mean, I was just going you just. SORTA gave us this list of pressure. These you issued last week. and. I you may as radio, you may not be I mean radio typically doesn't attend these public events. You know jets if you're excluded intrude general whatever I'm doing all informed I'll add you to the list, but there's a large radio list and we spare you that press room you wouldn't get it but I Media that you refer. I don't feel so bad than ex Yo you didn't put me off but right? Okay I'm not actually I'm just talking about the development of this. You know phenomenon I'm not really pointing you. Only you also have to say in defense of the media John I also have to say in defense of the media that. A candidate issuing a press release has not automatically guarantee coverage. It's an invitation to coverage obviously, but the media then the way that you know that requests for coverage with a whole bunch of other stuff they've got on their planners that day and unfortunately most of the media organizations that are very very thinly staffed. I will say that and this is an age old complaint I remember when I was way back as. You know a green. Green AP reporter in my future. And Bernie Sanders was in his first I. Think I. Campaign for Congress in Nineteen, eighty eight and I remember having this pretty hilarious converse conversation with him where he was basically complaining that we hadn't come to a news conference he was holding. So it's It's it's not. It's not. It's not because we're left-wingers you could ask for any of that and it's not because they are suggested day though is that you know your your listeners can make their own assessment when weighing few of nine new candidates and twenty five candidates filing at the state. House a pretty big national issue when I did it and no state coverage and TJ Donovan's extent. After I reviewed hundreds and hundreds of documents and show that he fourteen of his staffer involved with a number of planned parent. Yes. Maybe that doesn't count a news and but my running for an independent. So there's the contrast. So your listeners can judge remind voters can judge and I'm just saying it's interesting what that news media selects to highlight I think it's very telling. I'm not just. One. Coverage I'm saying these subjects that are not covered versus what are covered and now I'm I'm threatening the media that I might not go away. If I don't win today which you know the left, I should say very much a left element there I mean wouldn't you be I mean the left Dave Supplement I fill Scott. Everyone would be very concerned if I ran as an independent, which decision is not been made so go ahead. Sorry. Thank you please so. You said days, document Phil Scott You you you include Phil Scott in your in your your grouping titled the Left. No, what I'm saying is. Well. Yes. But I'm also saying that of course, this is substantial news for both campaigns regardless of where I grew up in one. I guarantee. See why they you know. If I actually ran an independent, it would be You know quite a developed, but I assume pretty strong for today but there's so many variables I don't think anybody knows who's going to win today but I. There's always a lot of variables out there I. Wonder You know. It, was actually trying to think about this yesterday. What would the impact on on a general election? Be if John we're running as an independent now? In one analysis, you might conclude that you might help dave soccer men by peeling away republican-leaning votes against. Away from Phil Scott. So you know in other words in duckman Scott Race. You might expect that Scott would pick up everybody essentially from the center to the right end of the spectrum but for another another candidate in the race who was maybe more attractive to some of the folks who are more conservative. Okay. and. I mean you do you think that if there are died in the Wolves Ackerman and supporters out there that many of them would flock to your independent candy in general. Some already are because as people take a look and I hope people on the left. We'll take a look and I'm not some extremist conservative who wants to implement some kind of draconian social agenda quite the opposite I'm a lifelong Greenie living off grid I'm a farmer and I borrow many ideas from Wendell Berry that I've implemented economic policies that support small farms in Vermont. It's a breath of fresh air that we're having this conversation many people on the left. Are Already, very embracing of my ideas even if they don't agree with me on every social issue and they won't I don't expect them to but it answer your question what it would look like if I were to run and why some people have pushed me to on his independent, I'm the one who's resistant. But if I were to run as an independent, I'm standing next today's Akron and Phil Skype and I'm the only one there who's a warrior commodity? With attack saw background on the only former dairyman and find everything for decades multigeneration, only national writer on the only certified opioid recovery coach and I'm the only one dave with an economic plan that I spelled out back in April well, before covid while our national and state budgets are in disaster and we have huge growing deficits in the threat of rising interest rates, we need an economic plan. I think if you if a lot of Zuckerman supporters would look at my my plan, the farming nfs through fourteen pages long with video on my website quality twenty, twenty with tax credits for farmers I think that'd be very. Attractive and I don't care what somebody's political partisanship is if they're growing vegetables their organic for sale and help our economy and our tourism and our future, you know that's that's what worry about. That's why I've thirty people running with me. We're about the economy, the schools and the opioid crisis, and those affect all the monitors and it's unifying instead of dividing over social issues. well, T- talk a little bit about social issues for a moment I. Are you a supporter of? The state's current. Laws relating to abortion They are among the most liberal in the country in terms of access to abortion abortion rights, etc.. Are Do you think that that those are those are The right laws there should they be changed? One thing what I've shown in my recent press release with links, Tatchell documents is at planned parenthood in an unprecedented, perhaps first in the nation access to our attorney general's office and the involvement in promoting those those law changes quite shocking and many Vermont felt that way that law was pushed through that law in the name of liberating women estate the does not recognize feel person hood in criminal cases. So women who are pregnant, who's babies are killed have no protections for that loss. And so but as radical as I am you mentioned some of the most liberal in the country actually Vermont's laws are some of the most liberal in the third trimester abortions are not legal in France. So what I have proposed early on if we were to even address this issue in view now the priority of the economy more than ever. But if we were to address the issue, what I've proposed is a compromise of abandoned third trimester abortion procedures which that CDC suggests is about ten a year in Vermont and seventy nine percent of Vermont posed those procedures and Vermont is one of only a few states in the country that allows it. So mine is not a radical approach and I'm very true to my word and I'm not looking to do anything extreme. Even if we got to that issue, we just don't have time to be fighting even over that perhaps when we. Have an economic dark cloud on our horizon could face for inflation and all kinds of problems on us. You know you and I remember eighteen point, nine percent fixed mortgage rates on secured loans and most people do not comprehend what that would do to us with a massive debt. You know we've just seven trillion dollars nationally and our state pensions are in total disarray and we're four hundred and fifty, nine million dollars in the hole and our legislatures talking about solving the global warming problem by giving unlimited power to our government. We we my group all the people with me are in touch with the voters much more. We're trying to bridge that disconnect and make government listen to us. You turn in terms of the in terms of the state pensions you mentioned being a total disarray. Should should remind end. It's defined defined benefit pension plans for teachers, retired teachers and state employees. Well, I think there are many that say so including Dave coates in many on the left it's not a partisan issue I would strongly recommend people today to write in Linda Joy Sullivan on Republican primary tickets she's a democrat. She has written about this issue Dave I think what we need to do rather than say well, I have all the solutions is very complex problem and there are many people that are stakeholders particularly our teachers and state workers it should be at. That table to help us design solutions changing the form of those pension plans is a big one that's been proposed also using alternative for one K. structures. Also limiting new entries we have one of the biggest problems with their pensions is increasing healthcare costs. So those are dovetailed and they can't be avoided, but the important thing is to correctly and accurately measure what we really are underfunded by because that number is now larger because of covid and it's been misrepresented in my view. and number two then sit down with people genuinely I'm mediator I've worked for years in mediation and I see the rift between state workers and taxpayers now, and it's becoming boiling over. These are people that are neighbors and should be allies and number three. Then make a commitment to fund it to bring it up in a more respectable, fiscally conservative. Support for those that we've promised benefits to pay to we keep our word to our state employees and and teachers and school costs are another prominent. Again, we need the teachers at the table, a very complex solutions, but we're willing to tackle them, and we're saying these are the priorities. These are unsustainable problems and they will collapse if we don't fix them. And we're trying to keep our eye on that ball rather than the watch the Birdie. Social? Justice. Warriors. Who tried to distract us with stuff that is not really substantive. There's no policy there. In many issues to cover. But of course, one one that has been garnering a lot of discussion. Last couple of months in Vermont is is the whole question of racial equality, your social justice or that that sort of thing John Clar and you I gather are something of a skeptic of The of things like the black lives matter mural that was painted on state feet in front of the State House and Mafia a couple of months ago, and also the black lives matter flags flying above our schools in some some communities tell us about that. Thank you I think it's really important conversation to have, and that's why I've waved. We waited into it even though it's so. Touchy You'd say use the word skeptic I would say actually I'm trying to be a communicator I'm I'm confident in the end people will understand that. The black lives matter message is confusing to people because it is not only a sentiment in Jing on George Floyd and other examples. Of police abusive of blacks which nobody supports. But. Also its political organization with very clear and defined a political agenda and fundraising activities for the democratic. Left. That's a fact. and. For people on the left, not to understand that distinction or to just wave aside is to be blind to how it impacts people on the right when that organization our is painted on the front steps of our capital. Now in response many Vermont as I've seen saw signs going up saying all lives matter and explain this in my application with the city by the way and know that that's counter that message to is then is then miscommunicated and even though well intentioned is perceived to be dismissive of that sentiment it'd be. So we focused on is trying to come back to the constitutional foundation actually the teachings of Martin Luther. King Frederick Douglass Thomas Sowell many many black conservatives and that's why I hosted a guy named Katie Carlson offended videos with him and asked him the question. You know if you're a black person who doesn't agree with this. Why are you label an Uncle Tom? I. Met a fellow two days ago whose whose black lives here says that because he is a conservative, he has been labeled a racist. Feared where ninety eight percent white state, and frankly I've been so much work for black communities black people through my whole life that I'm not really easily just batted down by the race name. The name calling which has happened is you know on your show about that they don't have to prove my bona fides I'd like to hear the people who are White Vermont. Suddenly with their signs out in front of their four hundred and fifty thousand dollar houses to tell me what they've done for black people other than screaming other white people about it, and that's why a lot of monitors are really angst because this state has the best reputation for the treatment of black people in the history of America were the number one state in that regard in the statistics prove and if we try to say so we're called racist and we're not gonNA do that anymore. So that's why I'm standing up for that middle ground I'm totally sympathetic. I've lived in the inner city unlike many people but we're importing those problems here. Our governor did this in the debate he said and I asked him about systemic racism he any pointed to a black man he met who said that his children had to be taught to be careful when they're pulled over not to reach for their pockets or they'll get shot well, guess what that's true of. White people as well. So what are governor did was import both an urban problem into a re most stay in the country, but he also attributed a racist motive in the police when that's not the case when you're an inner city police officer hundreds of whom I dealt with as a criminal defense attorney your deal you can get shot people get shot your their contracts out against you in. Hartford Connecticut and other cities again by gangs and they will shoot you. They are fifteen's you're constantly on edge. So anybody of any color and I've had to do it, you don't reach fast when you're in the inner city, the blame that Vermont police, this is all getting worked. It's a mismatch and and you need to have evidence of racism before you alleged against people and we have. The best constitutional system in the world for the protection of the rights of all people equally, and instead of judging people by their skin color for being white, we should judge them by the content of their character as Martin Luther. King taught us. You don't count her race with racism with hatred anyway and people screaming people is actually counterproductive will make more people racists doesn't work. That's Martin Luther. King. So we're trying to be loving and put it in the middle and we get people who wanNA leave everything. We're doing racism because that's all they got left in their deck of cards and Conor Casey called me a racist. He made a big mistake because I not and he doesn't know anything about me and when people learn about me and all my work for Ugandan orphans and Rwandans, and and all through my life and is a public defender and it just doesn't match up does he define a racist and we need more racist like me and fewer people that just put a sign a new yard and don't donate their time and their energy to fix the problem it's far away. Then in other cities, what are they doing in Vermont? Where are they doing to help people? We get two million orphans in Uganda alone you WANNA move all Vermont Mont.. Because I'll do that. You know but I don't see anybody wants do nobody's donated to my offense I. came after Conor Casey after you have the on your show and put up video of an interview for months ago with Ugandan pastor that I've helped for five years and nobody is donating money I've raised twenty five thousand dollars for him mostly from white. Conservative. Vermont. Who are being labeled as racist. Now, we're not saying that Dave thanks for asking the question. Will I on the on the black lives matter and then the all lives matter sort of counter to that I one thing that occurred to me maybe there's just my my habits of thinking from my career journalists but. During the during the time I was a reporter and editor never wrote a headline that said Don expected tomorrow because I wouldn't qualify his news same but the same token, the idea that all lives matter I don't think really qualifies as news with some with with anybody. The idea that black lives matter apparently is news to some people and so that's why that. That part of the conversation is singled out in made into a slogan or or banner and and becomes a you know a a talking organizational name whatever you want. So that I mean I don't know whether you have any thoughts about that but and actually we only have thirty seconds do. Okay. Well. So it isn't news to some people. That's the whole false narratives you this we're the generation I'm in my fifties we watched archie bunker and good times and the Jeffersons and we had a conversation as a nation and the thing about Archie bumper is we knew he was a racist but we still love him because we size humanity that he was just ignorant and that's what racists are. They're just ignorant but to treat. Them rightfully is to go in the opposite direction. That's what we need. Of course people are aware of racism and then dismissed them because they don't like being called racist because g unaware it's news to some people. It's not news to Vermont reminders. I've met wonderful conservative around the state. I haven't met any racist. I haven't seen a single Nazi flag. I haven't even seen a single converted flag journeys. All John Clark gotTa call it here. We are about the time but I appreciate you getting on the on the horn with us this morning. It's a good talking with you. We'll talk soon. Thank you how. Some top of the hour news from CBS and in a power station with pamphlet of CBS itching to get out, explore our great state Don, your mask and come to the Warren store in the Beautiful Mad River valley stores open to a limited number of customers upstairs down Jelly take out by phone or window, but you can finally choose beer wine chips, etc. No appointment needed upstairs well-stocked cool. Summer clothing cards, candles, bags, and jewelry puzzles and toys for all ages, art supplies, books, and interactive learning. Games. Are Your kids board in driving you crazy bring them to the Warren store practicing all safe protocols masks required. newsradio WD FM and am now back to the day Ramsey show. Your back. Thanks for staying with us into our second hour here on the day Graham Show wd FM and am it's primary day, and of course, we have Maybe it's the culminating day of primary season. Because we have had a big push on from the Secretary of State's office to. Do voting by mail in ballot. This year and lot of folks were being urged by the secretary of state to get their ballots in early meaning more than a week ago if he's still haven't gotten your ballot back into your town city clerk. Late. But you gotta change the method slightly today's election day primary election day you would need at this point to fill out your ballot and bring it down to your polling place usually town or City Hall and and turn it in there and so. That's the that's the driller remains for today, and we'll be checking in with Secretary of State Jim condos and a few minutes to find out how how the voting's be going so far today I have a couple of questions for him among which will be Got A really interesting question yesterday from a listener who who asked. Is Wilder. Mafi counting are are spoiled ballots will be have numbers of spoiled ballots spoiled ballots might be a thing this year because you had to be careful and following the instructions to get things into the right envelopes and mail often just the right manner if you wanted to use mail in ballots this year. Did how many people kind of messed that up and we'll end up getting their valid excluded because of the of a problem of having stuck something in the wrong envelope or something. We'll see it's going to be you gotta be an interesting process but I think it's an important number to keep track of how many how many spoiled ballots might have I do believe we have with us now Pamela Falk of CBS News and Pam Thank you very much for joining me this morning. Dave. Yeah. Things are crazy around the world I mean there's Russia's approved a vaccine and that's got everybody yours pointed and the number of cases is just rising hit twenty, million cases and the. To, double twenty million and that's you know the virus deaths climbed from over seven hundred thousand from five, hundred, thousand, an average of five thousand days. So until there's a vaccine, the general sense is we're we're nowhere closer than we were in terms of getting back to. Not Being in lockdown. Yeah, and it's uses though the the virus has been actually ticking up in parts of Europe in the last week or two right Yeah, absolutely UK with its Prime Minister of Boris Johnson who had the virus Brazil Well, Brazil is not a nearby The UK has closed down the pubs many of the pumps it open and he research. Sort of hope that everyone had New Zealand that quickly getting the virus under control absolutely no cases of local transmission and over one hundred days boom they just got a few now they only have four cases, but it's an Auckland household is a big city people are worried. So the Prime Minister Ardor N- just a locked everything back. Hard you know this doesn't have You know doesn't need visas to move around. So that's that's the biggest problem in Russia. has. Eight hundred. You're jumping in and out of your FAM-. With A. Total. In the world I'm jumping out. We're losing you every. Fifteen seconds for about five or six seconds and I'm saying. This is a hard line voice over Internet. Can you hear me now? I can hear you now. Yeah. Let's let's try to continue for a minute here and and. Yeah I mean I guess the situation with the Corona viruses that? It. Really is not waning and We I, think folks are. Are Are the. The. Folks are. Really. Worried about this virus in now, and what it's going to mean to the economy places start having to go into lockdown again, including in the United States I mean all of this is just we're trying to get schools reopened again and. Everybody's in this kind of mood of just yikes you know. Can you hear me? Yes is there hope. Is there hope from this news out of. Russia. Countries are trying to get the vaccine I mean there's a lot of skeptical skepticism about the fact that. Scene the Per Vladimir. Putin the president said he tested it out on one of his two adult daughters that she's doing well and the vaccine is is certainly in a rush mode in the united. States and China by it's not there yet and people are worried about distribution of it and everything else meanwhile the UN chief, the secretary general's had one billion billion is dave children are out of school around the world and he's worried about a generational gap with children I mean in the United States is there can be more. Remote, learning but in poorer countries around the world, there's not. Yeah. while. It is still a pretty pretty tough situation out there in many many places. Saying they thought by the end of summer they'd have something and there's a lot of sense of frustration about what happens next on the other hand. If you WANNA look at the higher point I, there's an awful lot of businesses that are starting to look at how they can operate remotely, and so there're some are hiring people for online retail sales and. I the the idea of all of the tech companies obviously or working remotely. And that's something which. I suspect a lot of folks that CBS or still doing that now. Right? Yeah they're only a few people are allowed even back into the broadcast center a few people in New York Washington's been operating, but most people are operating I am operating remotely because the UN is not still not open the big show of the year in September when all the where leaders. Make may go but otherwise it's going to be canned speeches literally by heads of state but look there's also what's going on in Lebanon this this explosion is unbelievable. I mean it just flattened the city. Yeah and and I wanted to ask you about that is is What is what is the status of the investigation now? Is there any Any Real? Sense that this was anybody's intent or was purely an accident caused by. Essentially. Negligence. Well. They're certainly looking at negligence Dave I mean, why would that two thousand over two thousand tons of chemicals that's dangerous be left at a poor without being taken care of but on the other hand, there are a lot of different views of how this fire could have ignited. So everyone wants just as everyone wants a certain investigation and that's why you're seeing a lot of demonstrations. A lot of rage on the streets six thousand people were wounded and one hundred fifty people are dead and they're still trying to find people. That and that's because. So many prime ministers. They've had so much change in government that the idea of an investigation is even hard to imagine. So people just don't know where to go the countries in the economy is in total collapse, and this is a very key country in the Middle East in terms of. I used to be prosperous. It's gotten so many refugees and what do they do? So all of the UN focus in the last few days has been to try to get them back on their feet, but it's very tough without now they don't even day. So and there's even been a petition Dave to put it back under French control if you can believe it, that's how well. When? When did the French get out of there? They I know that was a French colony for a while. But what was the Yeah I. To the French got out, and that's that's part of the problem. Is that the the general sense of the you know the Revolution Why is that? They could they can take care of themselves but you've got. A government, that's a mixed government with Christians. and Shia Muslims and dumb. They try to Try to figure out I mean the French mandate ended and forty-three and So it's twenty three years and Bay Ru used to be called the Paris of the Middle East it was it ca- I mean pe- some people are even saying why do they need so much help their prosperous, but they're not I mean half of the country is already under the poverty line. So this is a dangerous neighborhood to near Israel near Syria. I mean it's right in the middle of all these countries where instability. Will be much more dame's. States. Well. That's a that is the that's the story and pamphlet. You know. Be There will be a vaccine eventually, the question will be when and the general sense by both the US CDC and the the International Health Agency the World Health Organization fight any problems they've had they both believe just. Hanging there. It's not over yet Qisas masks on and the world will get over it but the problem that the UN is looking at in the world is looking at his. Had this recession in the United States and around the world, how do you get countries out of it and you've got starvation around the world? So Yikes is part of the part of the headline today. All right we'LL PAM flock. Thank you very much. Appreciate you joining us today lowly Nice talking I'm sorry I was waving out. That's okay. We'll talk. Okay bye-bye. We. Are. Talking next segment of our program this morning with a secretary of State Jim condo's. Is Busy guy today, there's a primary election going on, and of course, the secretary eighties the senior election official in the state. Of Rwasa we really appreciate MR condos making himself available to us here at W. Dav FM and am and is is is the secretary of state on the phone with us right now. Are you there Jim condos. I, am. Excellent. Well, thank you very much for joining me. I really appreciate it. And I wanted to get. Yeah Yeah I was just saying I expected. There's a senior elections official in the state of Vermont. You would be having a busy day on primary election day and I was expecting expressing my appreciation for. Your willingness to join. US take a little time out of this busy day to talk with our listeners about what is what's going on. Very unusual primary election and. Just wanted sort of recap some of what we've covered before, but you know now. Maybe a little chance to put a bow on it because it is today and. Big Push on this year for mail in voting how would you say it's gone overall. A. Very. Well I if you remember this is actually. A, more of a focus on absentee and early vote of male of which uses the mail but. We sat down approximately fifty thousand postcards for as an absentee requests. To people with prepaid return cart to the town clerk's office and I can give you some updated numbers real quick like we have as of this morning one, hundred, fifty, three, thousand, just over one hundred, fifty, three, thousand requests for early voting or absentee voting, and that includes people who may have walked into their town clerks devote early and then we've got, we've received a little over one, hundred, thirteen, thousand of those back. Already, and we expect wore those to come in today. When you say you've received them back you an actual ballots then. We yes. So what happens is the the absentee requests card went out to all the vote active voters on the register checklist. And then. Those cards, they would send that to their town clerk. It was prepaid and pre pre address back to their town clerk and then the. Town clerk would receive. It would then send the ballots out to the person and the person would fill out their ballot and send it back. And the clerk would receive it. So the ones that have been received back by the town clerk and as I said, there's hundred thirteen thousand plus out of one hundred, fifty, three thousand that were sent and and we expect a lot of those will. that. They may be in the mail today. But also, a lot of those folks will be walking into their bowls with those battery ballast hand to the town clerk there. Right right I see. So really interesting. The that now. Even the hundred thirteen ballots in hand. Let's say, right these are votes that have occurred. How does that compare with the last presidential election year primary turnout? What was the? How does that one hundred thirteen compare with? What happened in two thousand sixteen? So. In Two thousand, sixteen, we had a total. Of all ballots received. Those that that's in-person early and absentee of one hundred, twenty, thousand. So we're almost there and in two thousand eight, that was sixteen was the last presidential in two, thousand eighteen, which was a non presidential. We actually had a total set of balance of one, hundred, seven, thousand plus. We're ahead of that already My understanding is I think the state record I thought it was one, hundred, twenty, thousand sixty. But in looking back at some of the numbers we find there was one hundred, twenty, two, thousand ballots cast back in two thousand post. Civil Unions. And so that actually is the record number of ballots and there's A. Pretty good chance that we'll go by that today. That is That's amazing. I guess. That's kind of the bottom line word and now. One one question has been asked Oh let me do this. We have a listener calling in maybe the last couple of questions here Tim, Pratt from Rochester's on morning Tim. It going. Good how are you? Good. I just want to respond to one thing that Jon Cryer said and. It's very important that people do not associate independent with Bernie. Sanders because sanders is not an independent. But going. Back to the the primary balloting. I never really paid attention that when you fill out your primary that you can't trust vote. And I didn't understand that if you right in somebody from the other ballot that is not counted. On the ballot that they're running on. So I'm just wondering if you could explain how Vermont prides itself and not having to announce. purdy. But if forces you in the primary to pick a purdy. And I think it really interferes with incumbents. Being able to fill spot especially if it's vacant. So. I'll hang up and listen but. You know well, if you can donate some of that. Don't go away just yet because I want to clarify a couple of things I want one one it sounds like what you're asking about is is the system in which when you go to vote in a primary, you have to select the ballot of one party. In this primary, for instance, today, we have the democratic Republican and progressive parties all of them having separate ballots and in one of the questions that I think you asked was let let's say you go and you decide you both the democratic ballot but you want to support. Phil Scott in the gubernatorial race on the Republican side you write in you ignore the democratic gubernatorial candidates in the spot for governor you right in Phil Scott that you WanNa you WanNa see Phil Scott reelected as Governor I. Guess Right So. And and that that that right in. Is Not, then added to the tally of votes. That Phil Scott would've gotten on this. Primary Day. My understanding that that's your that's your question. Well it's not Phil Scott. My question is. Using that as example by. Using that example but example is it interferes especially with local Decisions you know it's. An incumbent in your local area. Opposite Party of all the people that walk on. Democratic. Ballot. You can't write that person in in have accounted. On the Republican ballot. Right I see. Okay. I mean, that is not fair to the to the candidate. Okay. So I, understand. So to a better example would be a case where you want to vote vote the Republican ballot you have an incumbent legislator let's say whom you like and is not maybe not of the Republican Party vote for this person and you effectively are blocked from doing that if you select the Republican ballot, right? Exactly. Okay. Secretary of State Jim condos. I mean especially when Vermont prides itself and announcing everywhere that you do not have to announce a party. Got A. Secretary State Jim condos. Let me let me ask you this question i. mean you you understanding Dave. Sure. Thank you. Tim You. Do you understand what the? What the question is here. Yes I do. And why is it? Then why is it that somebody who wants to vote say all Republican in the state wide races can't then on Primary Day vote for that Democrat state representative that they like. because. Essentially to put it simply the. Election that you are seeing on in the primary is actually three separate elections is the Republican election. It's the democratic election and the progressive election. It's the three major parties have their elections to nominate their people to be on the ballot in the general election. So in this particular instance. It's not the same as the general election where you have all the parties candidates on their. This is denominated those folks it's like. It's like if they each of the parties had a caucus, instead, this is a it's an election and it's I don't know how long it's been, but it's been. Since the nineteen twenties, the Vermont has used a primary election. In this manner, this is something that's been around for many many many years And frankly this at the same on the same hand, we've also this week or last week I should say we had the deadline for independent candidates for different seats as well, but they're not on the. Primary ballots, they will fall directly to the. General election. So we're really today we're running three separate elections a PRI-. Primary election for the Democrats or the Republicans, and for the Progressives, So if you vote for somebody, let's say you pick. I'll use the example that you use. of Bill Scott let's save. US Rope Bill Scott in on the democratic ballot. He would have to get enough. Votes by right in on the democratic valid to be the candidate for. The Democratic Party. So if you write a any other Republican or any other progressive on the democratic ballot, it really accounts as a write in but let's get the the The highest number of votes is it doesn't really matter You can you can save this is what you WanNa do we will report? On our website, we will have all the write in candidates listed. So you can see who got write in candidates and and this is a typical issue. So I, just WANNA be clear that we're running three separate elections today. the elections are for each major party to elect the people who will represent that party and and a Republican can vote in the Progressive Party. Or in the Democratic Party and progressive could vote in the Republican Party or Democratic Party. We know what people's Registration Party registration because we don't have any So it's really this is not this is a little bit different than the presidential primary where you actually have to pick. Publicly, which ballot you're pulling, which are you bill pulling the Republican presidential candidate or the Democratic? So it's a little bit different than that and this goes back to the early eighties when when there was a negotiations between the major parties and the state of Vermont and Vermont wanted to maintain its slight independence of of. Artie registration. Jim CONDOS secretary, of state we need to take a brief break here on the day Graham Show I've also got a caller. Dick from Middlesex on the line but Dick. Afraid to ask you to wait until after the break also, and we'll be back in a couple of minutes here folks from CBS. News up coming in a couple of words more sponsors we'll be surely. Be. Itching. To get out, explore our great state Don your mask and come to the store and the beautiful mad river valley. 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Appreciate it The other thing I, wanted to mention was today is Tuesday and that means that shortly after eleven o'clock wd goes to live special coverage of. Regular news conference with the Governor Phil Scott other top state officials. Giving us the latest update on the state's response to the Kobe. One, thousand, nine crisis. So always happy to. Let, folks know that's coming and allows me say don't touch that dial. The whole radio saying from way back when don't touch that dial stay with us through the eleven o'clock hour you'll get some CBS news at the top of the hour and then we shift over to coverage of the of the news conference on the state's Code, nineteen response. But for now, let's get back to our conversation with Ron, secretary of State Jim condos are chief elections officer in the state of Vermont, and of course, he is a busy guy today because he has. Little primary election going on and secretary condos has been talking about how the primary works in. Vermont. It's really three separate elections you go when you select one party's ballot and you really can't cross over on Primary Day. If you're going to vote for the Democrats, you've got pretty much vote. All Democrat. Vote for the Republican, same thing except it's Republicans, and of course, there's also a valid available for the Progressive Party now, secretary conduct. I have I have a question for you. Okay which is our. Our the town clerk's city lurks around Vermont, going to be offering US totals of balance will be deemed spoiled. At some point, we'll have that information, but we don't have now. It may take a little while we're trying to get the election out of the way burst. Yeah. Okay. So they're they're. On election night as of ballots are counted, there will be a tally of of spoiled ballots captain eventually somebody will come up with a with a number. How many how many ballots were were we're spoiled right? We're not. We don't really keep a tally. It's in our system. Will knows whether ballot has been rejected or ruled the fact of and Vermont is one of the most lenient states in that area I think typically. Across the country, you'll find that states are in the three to five percent range or a little bit more, and I've heard actually of one st this year that already has ten percent threshold of of rejected ballots but it here in Vermont we usually have one percent or less I. don't know whether that's going to hold for this election. Will we're seeing what we believe we are seeing an increase in first time voters. And some of them may or may not know the INS and outs of of actually how the boat works But in Vermont, for instance If you don't sign your statistic if you're voting by mail if you're voting absentee and you're voting by mail, you have to put your ballot in the. Return and below. It's called the certificate envelope. You, have to sign it and date it and and you're you're in this is really the voted ballot envelope. Then there's another envelope is called the unbolted ballots, which is to balance that you did not choose to vote on and those would go into the unloaded ballots. Both of those envelopes must be returned to the town clerk's office, and if you didn't sign your your certificate that means we don't know who actually submitted that ballot and we will not accept it It's actually not us, but the town clerks will not accept it, and if you don't send back the to unbolted. You that's also reason to reject that that both but that's pretty much it We you know were in many states they have much more strict regulations and how to reject the ballot and we're we have probably among the fewest restrictions We try. We try to make sure to ensure that everybody's vote will count. But there are some some requirements. So I, I mean I I could just imagine somebody saying themselves well Okay I. Have I I'm voting the Republican ballots and And I have these this democratic ballot in the progressive ballot that I'm not voting W- I could. Probably not this time of year but I well, let's say not light Woodstove, but I could use invite my grill. Right. Little killing or I could or could add them to the recycling pile. You know just paper. Paper that goes out with with the. Waste didn't periodically and and. And now because I'm not sending those empty, voted a balanced back to my city clerk or Tom Clerk. The my my vote is spoiled, right That is correct and David I want to be clear. Pretty much every clerk in the state of Vermont when they send out those absentee ballots, there was a set of instructions that went with them. Up there simple clear and easy to read, and we we emerged from the very beginning that people must pay attention when they're voting You know once that ballot lease your hands and is on its way to the clerk and the clerk receives it it's it's done that that that. Valid is is. It's received is and it's either counted or not. Again, we have very few in the state of Vermont comparatively. To the rest of the country, I don't WanNa see any, and that's why we have continually urged people to make sure they follow. The instructions are clear. They're concise and and they're not very long they're not detailed. I mean, they're very detailed, but they're not they're not complex they're pretty easy to follow. Yeah I mean I I know to me and I occasionally quizzes is also my neighbor. My last name G. R. AM and an awful lot of people wanna add an extra A. and they're. Like the cracker I'm more like the weight actually. And and I suppose for three times and they still splurgy. When they send me something and I kinda like well. A lot of people just told pinal listen to. Follow instructions you know. David I, know we. Can't be over every voter shoulder. One were billy up when they're out there they're ballot were backward not also be over anybody's shoulder look when they're filling out their ballot we're not there to to tell them You know you can do this or you can't do this. That's we set. Of instructions with him now I will say this. We probably see. A slightly higher incidents was the primary ballots than we will with the general election because with the general election, it's only one ballot. Do it is. The primary, and this is not my rule. This is this is really the the state. Law requires this. Many years and I'm not I am not trying to get just give you a hard time with pick new Mister Secretary I. Just I it. Sort of strikes me as funny and some of this stuff is it is almost comical I think. You know registration or license or whatever stuff from. The Department of motor vehicles and my wife said something really funny a year or two ago when we got one of these crazy envelopes in the mail and she her her comment was. You shouldn't have to read instructions to open an envelope. Anyway. So Keep it simple. I is the the bottom line here but. We try very hard to jumble. Yep Yep. Okay. So I wanted to. Also, ask about the. The general election of coming There is concern out there that. That the mail in balloting Denison now be more rife with mistakes or fraud or other problems than. Than than sort of regular election day. Do you think that today at a primary election is going to be something of a of a test of that or what? What's your sense of of trying to demonstrate to people who are worried express real concern about this that. that. This is actually a workable wait around election. So I let me say David when when. We started having discussions at the pandemic hit us in back in March. We were looking out the whole process and what's what's what's going to happen for both the primary and the general election. we had two goals, overarching goals that were driving our decision making process. One of those is to protect every vermonter right to cast a ballot and The second one was to protect the health and safety of not only the voters. Town clerks and they're poll workers. So we use those two as basically are are if you WANNA call litmus test as to how we were going to move forward then we started the look. Okay. We've got a primary coming in August what we do and we decided very quickly after discussing with some of our our our print houses with the print vendors the the mail houses that we were going to have we would be it would be difficult if not impossible to get the logistics in place. The primary to do a vote by mail process. So let's talk about what is vote by mail meet. Well, we're actually doing some vote by mail right now absentee and early voting has been done by by mail for decades in. Vermont nationally vote by mail absentee ballots Has Been Done. Since, the civil war we you know it was the civil war that our military personnel. We're using a vote by mail in order to be able to vote while they were serving elsewhere So so all those things were in place and we started looking at it. We consulted with our colleagues California, I'm sorry Washington Oregon Colorado Utah and. Hawaii. Are Using Universal, vote by mail. Colorado and I I know that will sending my director of elections has been pretty constant communication with some of his colleagues. As as we approach this he meets every week by phone. With or by Zoom with his. Counterparts across the country As they discuss, these issues of I know that that will has been meeting with our postal service, representative on a weekly basis, and sometime between since since really march and April So we've been working very diligently at this and the the approach that we took with. Mailing out a postcard to every registered voter in the state of mind active registered voter with a prepaid. Postcard to request an absentee ballot was all designed to really drive down the number of folks that would show up in person to vote on election? Day. We think we've been successful at that will know more after today obviously and and the whole goal has been to protect. To guarantee the right of Vermont eligible reminders, cast ballots while protecting the health and safety of voters down Clarkson and bulwark. So it's just you know there's a lot of logistics someplace and that going forward, our plan right now is to mail ballot directly to each active registered voter in in it's up it's really just an additional option for that voter. It's it's there's They're not mandated to mail it back. They can walk back to town clerk's office, walk it into their polls location. All we're doing is bigoted easy for them to have the ballot in their hands to be able to vote take their time picking who they want to represent them This is just an additional option. And it really is not a massive makeover or change to the election system in any way. I guess the It is interesting to see that the that we are going to possibly. Will let me let me put it this way. How how are the? Elections. In the future likely to go assuming this, this goes well and people like it. Will we be more reliant on on mail in ballots in in? Twenty twenty, four, twenty, twenty, eight, twenty, two, twenty, et Cetera. Then, we are now. Well. I mean the simple answer to that is that the legislature they're the ones that have to make that decision at the policy decision that will come from the legislature They actually thought about making this permanent lobby of we. We encourage them not to to let us go through this cycle at letting us make these attempts at this point you know I want to stress again, the voting by mail whether it's absentee or early voting is simple safe and secure and and we're You know we will take whatever information we have data to the legislature next year if they so choose to take this up. I also want to make clear that that. There are many states that are expanding both red states and blue states that are expanding vote by mail Some states are sending out postcards like we did the primary other states are mandating that the that they will mail ballots to all all of registered voters. This is not A. Phenomenon here in Vermont, this is just and like I said earlier, it's just a additional option to make it easier for voters. and to allow them to. Cast a ballot as their constitutional, right? We have a listener online Dick for Middlesex and then we're GonNa take a break but let's Dick I good Morning Dick. Behind me to. Waiting. Are you with us but anyway? This is more of a I was astonished. And they said there's no voter fraud and this is a lot safer and more secure but. I've actually seen where a couple of people were leading and they delegated their balanced as somebody else. And told him to fill them out and then there's another. This is an Innuendo I did not witness it, but were people got several in the family and one person fill them all out and send him in. And signed the name, I don't think the town clerks have the ability to check. Signatures. So Just, I didn't I never realized that there could be I think that's voter fraud. That would happen. We'll Dick interesting question. What do you? What do you want to say secretary? First. I preface this by saying I'm not really It's just I was just making a statement that I was astonished that there is this type of voter fraud. I had never realized that how you can do that. Okay. Let me let me let there isn't any. He is isn't very, very little. I wouldn't take very many modes to i. mean sometimes vote an election is Decided by you know ten votes or Lasser one vote. So yeah, there is okay. Pride here in the state of. Dick Thing for the call Secretary Secretary condos quick thoughts, and before we go to the break. Right. So first off, let me just say that What you described at first of all, we have not heard this. We have not been given any evidence of this happening and sometimes it's anecdotal and I and I'm not saying that you're not telling truth that you. You haven't heard it but does it it you know anything like that should be reported If it actually occurred. But secondly, we already have laws in place. It is illegal to cast more than one ballot voter cannot show someone how they're going to vote. It is illegal to impersonate another person voting in specifically including deceased people. So if your parents died and your they received the ballot because nobody took them off the checklist. And and you got those ballot it's illegal for you to fill those out. To unduly influence another person as to how they will vote it's illegal interceptor destroy a person's absentee materials, and it's still legal to falsely sign. Destroy or deface another person's ballot. These the general election when we do this, we'll have the printed name and the printed name, the voter ID number and a bar code for the for the the town clerk to be able to process. Listeners calling in have been waiting a little bit. So let's go to relieve is, is Jim in Chelsea? Yes Good Morning Good Morning. Thank you for taking my call and secretary I need your help. I've got a question for you. I. Don't know if you can help me or not. I'M GONNA ask Anyway, I got my absentee ballot and I went to go to the mailbox to send it in and it was on the console when my car and I just found it. Underneath the seat. Can I go down to the town clerk here in Chelsea and submit it or is it because I registered absentee that I won't be able to vote or? Can you help me. Yeah. Absolutely. You you Jim you can take it to the town clerk's I would recommend it i. hope that the town clerk's office is also the polling location I. Don't know that back Ya. If it is you can take that ballot to the town clerk's and handed over that that time and if you for instance, if you didn't find it you've also sign an affidavit saying this you. Signed you you cap the ballot, but you don't know wh- what happened to it. and. They would provide another one for you. But yes, the simple answer is, yes, you can take it to your counselor. Okay. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Jim Collins leads we knew a last question which is related to this. And it goes like this. There's a lot of concern about the state of the US Postal Service. Nationally and It's going to be able to handle the big influx of mail in ballots around the country that we're expecting in this Kobe. Era Election coming especially in the fall. And I I heard. Somebody on television the other day talking about dropbox is and how some some election authorities are going to set up just these boxes where people can go and put their ballots and I wondered. Is that an option and something which which if people worried about the mail or they feel like you know it's two days before the election I'm and I put this in the mail but maybe the mail get it there and time I another option would be to drive down and maybe there's a dropbox that you can just drive up to kind of roll your window down sticking valid in no cova concerned and and be done. So. To Responses I. many of the towns we did offer drop boxes either wall mounted or floor mounted drop boxes. It's a secure dropbox we did offer to pay for those and mighty towns bid. but you also had several. Towns like. John. Juve, conscious I hate to do this, but I've got to interrupt. We are just about time here on the day Bram show. So we'll have to catch your second response identity time. It. Sounds like dropbox. Thank you very much appreciated. For the Graham Show here wd FM and am stadium now for the governor's news conference, just after the eleven o'clock news will be back tomorrow with another edition of our show.

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Vermont Legislative Roundup and Small Game Hunting

"The. From Radio Vermont, it's the Dave Ramsey show on wd. It's your show about the people places and the issues that matter the most view. Now, here's your host Dave Graham. Good morning, it is Wednesday September. Twenty third twenty twenty and we're so glad to have you with us this morning where you're going to be talking with. ZANDER. Landon political statehouse reporter with digger I often he he's going to be. He's going to be filling us in on what happened yesterday the Senate. Voted to override the governor's veto of the global warming Solutions Act that follows similar house similar action to the Vermont. House last week meaning that law that bill will become law and over the governor's. Objections, we'll be talking to zander about how all that went down and. Later on I believe I'm going to get a call. I was going to open the phone lines between nine, thirty, five and ten. This morning I've got someone who wants to talk to us about what he believes a push poll by the Milne Campaign Scott Millan is running for Lieutenant Governor on the Republican. Ticket. This someone sent me an email this morning. So this morning I came in late last night indicating that the. That there was a push poll going on we're GONNA be talking with a person by the name, of Gregory, Nagorny in in the second half hour prob- probably just for a few minutes of be very interested to hear from other listeners if you've been hearing. What sounded like push polls from any campaigns? Of course, these are these. Are, purported to be Poles. But really they are questions designed to sort of plant ideas in your mind about. Levada candidate. which is not favorable favorable to that candidate. So we'll be trying to figure out if there actually is a real push poll going on. and. Then in the latter, our the program after we hear from one of our correspondents from axios near the top of the hour just after the top of the hour, we will be going to our regular Wednesday wildlife feature here going to be talking to a couple of. Hunters and a chef about the joys of hunting and cooking and eating small game in Vermont everything from squirrels to to grouse, and we'll be hearing all about that in the second hour of the program this morning. So I'm looking forward to that. Trouble with talking about food though between ten and eleven am here on the Dave Ramsey show for me. anyways. My stomach starts growling hope. Is An audible on the air, but we'll see anyway. Wanted to get right into with. ZANDER. Land in this morning zander good morning. Good Morning. Thanks for joining me and so the big news. From the virtual bubble virtual dome or whatever we call it yesterday was that the Senate it wasn't unexpected but it was the other shoe dropping ears has to happen in the legislature and. Both. Both houses of the legislature get a crack at things in the Senate, followed the House action last week the house was actually more suspenseful. Wasn't it? I you know I actually, I I'm not sure it was If you've been following this issue over the last couple of years in the House I, don't think there was ever too much worried that Democrats from Democrats that they wouldn't be able to override a veto on sort of always been overwhelming support for the global warming solutions deck. certainly, in the Senate I don't think there was any really question by their. Yeah. Sort of interesting and then we saw some really sort of much much tighter much. Much, more heroin override at tents for Democrats. Earlier this year off before the pandemic feels like a long time ago. Now, with minimum wage increase and paid family leave paid family leave the house the house Democrats failed by one vote to successfully bats, and then there was a successful override of minimum wage increase. It's GonNa take effect and so I mean I think it's important to note that override of gubernatorial vetoes did not happen very frequently So it's rare to have an issue where you were a party a party can get a two-thirds thirds majority needed to reverse a veto pen. governor he'll tends to this this. You know this was sort of an instance where there wasn't too much. Concern About Democrats getting the support, they needed yesterday's vote was twenty, two eight in the Senate You had six Republicans in the Senate opposing to Democrats. as well but the rest of the Senate was on board And the yeah. As you said, this will become law now. and. We'll mandates the state to meet pretty strict emissions reductions targets in the coming years. which were the two Democrats who voted to voted not to override the veto. It was John, Rogers Senator John Rogers, and Senator Bobby Star both from. Six Orleans. Can Sorry, go ahead. I was GONNA ask that seizures thing that that that these two senators from from one of the most rural districts in the state would be the two. Democrats. And you know one of the one of the criticisms I've heard of some of the measures that people talk about with climate change and with the efforts to stem climate change. These would be costly to folks in rural areas who typically are driving longer distances than somebody you know who lives in south Burlington works at Burlington or whatever. It is some of that coming into. This is more of a cultural thing or what do you think prompted those two Democrats to crossover. Yeah I. Think we've heard from both of them in the past sort of opposition to measures. Like a carbon tax, you know increasing the cost of fuel prices, which is something that many politicians in the state in and as you say, rural parts of the state where you know obviously intake dire state of remote, we're all dependent on cars much more than you know, maybe some some other parts of the country where there's sort of more built out public transportation infrastructure So there's there's definitely a lot of anxiety about ten show measures that would come come out of this This legislation that could increase the cost of living the cost of predation on people that need you know. Turn to rely on their vehicles. I I will note that You know there's nothing that the thing that sort of. it. Is Interesting about this measure or this this legislation the global warming solutions Dak is that it doesn't contain any specific policy Specific. Policies for how how the state is going to reduce its carbon footprint and becoming years, and it leaves a lot of the planning process how that's going to happen it really be entire planning process. To Climate Council that's going to basically be formed and includes twenty three members including you know government state government officials representatives from manufacturing sector citizen experts etc that's going to come up with a solution reduction bland. and. A lot of it will have to be approved by lawmakers They won't be sort of the. Counseling and have a unilateral forty than just say you know we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA have a carbon tax in the next Five years or we're going to know fan a certain type of engine or a Cetera doesn't have authority a lot of its recommendations. You'RE GONNA. Go to the legislature for their approval but the governor a lot of Republican have been concerned about you know in their view sort of advocating a lot of the decision making process to this council and not having the legislature. Come up with these sorts of ideas. You know itself and That's been one of the big criticisms of the situation in addition I should know. That the bill will also. nate to clear and allow for losses. against the. State. Not, meet emissions these emissions. Target in the coming years, and for example, by twenty, twenty, five this law would mandate that the state. Cut Its emission twenty, six percent. Below, what they were in two, thousand and five. and that's so some state is basically has three years to to make some strides and doing that, and if it doesn't hit them that mark than a group or an individual could bring suit against the state. To to sort of force it into compliance. And I think Democrats are making clear. Well, we're not going to allow you know there to serve monetary damages as sort of A. a stick or punishment for the states did not it doesn't eat those Those levels that that's target, but there is definitely concern that's been a big. Concern of big Raised by Republicans and the governor he was detailing obvious why he couldn't support the bill that he didn't want the state to get caught up in lawsuits that could be costly and. Time to CETERA. So that's sort of those. Those sort of big meeting people are not necessarily Republicans and some Democrats onboard. That delegation of authority. Anything. The Climate Council did though. Of a major policy impact would have to be approved by the legislature following on. Wouldn't it? Leads Right Yep. So I think that may that may help to alleviate? V8's the concerns about. This delegation of authority? Obviously the Climate Council. I, think the idea here being that they would be steeped in these issues and really up to speed on what the latest sciences on climate change et Cetera in various methods to try to mitigated. They can come up with various policies of, but the final decision on anything like a carbon tax or anything similar to that would would have to. Go through the normal process. Correct. Yeah that's correct. In. On the subject of litigation I wondered I asked to actually Speaker Mitzi Johnson about this when she was on the program on Monday. It, seems as though a lot of the impetus for this global warming, Solutions Act is the idea that the legislature has come up with these goals years ago the executive branch has not been. Real. Eager to meet the goals or been. Successful in meeting the goals and this is an effort to sort of. Add onto pressure of adding the judicial branch to the chorus saying we've to do something. But. If the. Response has been foot-dragging the legislative branch. Why wouldn't be more foot-dragging in response foster the judicial branch especially when no penalties and sue. Interesting question of I and I. Think that there was definitely. A feeling. from from, you know the Democratic Party in the legislature that you know we've sort of tried putting targets the states stride pudding targets to meet for in terms of you know reduction of pollution reduction in carbon emissions in into law before but we haven't we. We've never met them. Right? We we've. Uh. You know they've only been sort of stated stated goals and stated priorities and that you know there was a big push a lot of talk about meeting to have a provision or provisions. That would really allow for accountability to sort of. Allow the. Citizens to be able to hold the government accountable to meeting these requirements now how this will play out In practice, I have not shore you know to what extent a you know the ability to sue and enforce the government into compliance or you know to force it to take action if it hasn't already to what extent that will be. successful if it comes to that I don't know but. I. Think politically there was there was a lot of interest in allow you know sort of. Giving you know giving me sort of mandates are giving these sort of requirement or goals or. Targets Really some key that there hadn't been before. earlier on in this debate back around, it'd be maybe just before the beginning of the pandemic or whatever. I remember. Some more conservative groups arguing that the this is some kind of a slight of hand by by legislators that they what they really wanted to do was to was to have a carbon tax and and and that they were going to delegate the authority to bring one about two to either the courts word or this council or somebody else so that they wouldn't get blamed. I, remember. Talking to a couple of the with longtime environmental sorta champions of the Democratic Caucus about this and and they said, no, we've been very clear with our constituents. We support a carbon tax and we have for years. We've told our constituents that our constituents seem to like the idea, and so there's no slight hand here. This is really what we're out and. I don't know what what do you think Zander was there anything any effort to pull the wool over voters is or is it or is it pretty straightforward? I don't I really don't know if there's enough support to do something like the carbon tax in the Vermont legislature? Aspect sure. Yeah. I mean. I mean, even among Democrats, in the last the only thing I've been covering the State House for the last three years and the only. Real attempts. To, increase. The tax on fossil fuels. That that is that is. That has been. Made was last year when there was an attempt to raise the tax on fuel to increase investment in in weatherization off and that was passed the house. but it didn't pass the Senate because the Senate was concerned about that about raising that tax. And I believe concerned that it was sort of a regressive policy So. I really I really think I think he will be much tougher than I think a lot of people on the right may say in Vermont to actually get the. Political will to to make that happen, you know to to to raise the carbon a trip to raise a carbon tax to get get money to invest in carbon emissions, goals, array carbon emissions. Reduction efforts. That made but as as maybe they're suggesting that could be different if you have twenty one number, you know independent body. recommending. making making a recommendation that says, the best way to reduce emissions is going to be to tax carbon at a at a higher rate and that could change the calculus Absolutely I think if you have you know a group sort of it's sort of been given the authority to make recommendations on the making recommendation. Wanted to bring in a listeners online ron from Middlesex. I believe is calling in good. Morning. Good Morning. First of all is completely personal thing I will say. Regional Plan. I've ever sanitation. Plan counts bill. So this is not political anything else two questions one is Since I global warming. La Reductions. Off Hydro Quebec as anyone worried about the amount of landscape is going to have to be flooded out maybe dizziness Lynn candidates to meet this next question number one and question number two why and the only way to meet the duck shes increase wind power, which we seem to have a problem doing. So that's the only question. Ron Thanks for the call I appreciate it Sandra what people saying about about the various sources of renewable energy that that we talk about in terms of replacing fossil fuels especially, you know in our electrical grid. There are problems connected with virtually every form him of. Generating Energy years long controversy over the giant Hydro Dams in Quebec and their impacts on native peoples up there and as well as wildlife CETERA. And of course, there's a lot of opposition to rich rich top wind towers right here in Vermont. What How those debates kind of connect with this fit into the mix They haven't really been a large part of this day you know. I think. That you know maybe because in the last. Ten Years you know we we haven't. We haven't been able to You know our current efforts. To expand renewables in the states haven't Sort of been strong enough to help us meet the stated goals that we've had in statute for carbon emissions reductions. I think that there was just a feeling that you know there needs to be an independent group Another group of experts that comes up with. Sort of the specificity. specific sort of you know advisory. Capacity to sort of help help lawmakers through The the decision making. About you know where where the focus is going forward in terms of building out the renewable energy sector I. Mean there's Yeah I think. There hasn't been much discussion in this process about you know do we focus on hydro? We focus on win if more just been about creating a sort of framework to move forward and leaving a lot of the specific recommendations offer to the. Twenty one member for twenty three member Council that will be formed So yes, to answer that question on. Yeah. sort of the specific in a word where we focused. Question is is going to be left largely to that that body than body. Many many. Debates to computer in that context because. This council will surely get a lot of attention as it goes forward and and Again I think it's worth emphasizing again from from my understanding of this legislation, the council would be more advisory wouldn't have. Wouldn't have the ability to enact policy? On its own policies would have to still be put before to the traditional process of going through much being supported by the governor or being having a gubernatorial veto overridden. That's the way the system works. Now, he just a few minutes to go android I did want to touch on the. Poll results that came out yesterday interesting stuff not particularly good news for David, Zuckerman the Democratic candidate for governor looks like Phil Scott has a lead who does about this. Yeah. That's that's pretty much the the boil down version of it Yeah. The the poll that was released by Vermont Public Radio and Vermont CBS yesterday shows still. Scott with a thirty one percent lead I believe it was fifty five percents at thirty two Let me do the math twenty, four percent. And You know The whole also showed that a lot you know more Democrats are supporting Phil. Scott than than Zuckerman. It was about forty eight percent of Democrats say they would vote for The governor incumbent governor and forty, one percent saying they would vote for data document and. I pretty much tribute a lot of that I mean. The Democrats of sort of on the more moderate end of the spectrum have for a long time supported Phil Scott in in Elections but I think that you know likely that the COVID nineteen crisis has only increased his favorability among Democrats Last month there was a poll showed that eighty three percent of Vermont flew of Governors, response spots and. So it's no surprise that he's doing very well in the fall and I spoke with David coming yesterday just to sort of get reaction his thoughts and he said that. You know this poll was. Sort of taken the survey went out that in early. September. Before a lot of people have really been thinking about this upcoming election, the governor's race, they've been really focused on covid nineteen. So maybe they've been sort of looking looking for the governor has reaction or response. A little more than they normally would in in a normal year and he also noted that you know in the coming weeks, they're going to be a lot of disease. here. Recently, this past weekend launched the to the AD. I just heard an ad one, hundred us. Here, for David Zuckerman Letterman during the commercial break. So there's a lot of you know. Time for for for more short of opportunity turn to draw contrast. With the governor You know methods sort of lying there and. I would also add that the poll thing another take very interesting poll showed in the governor's races a very tight race between Democrat Molly Gray and Republican Scott Millan at four percent difference you know she has thirty five percent he had thirty one percent, but there's a four percent margin of error so you've got to. Tie The governor's race right now. Wow, that is interesting. Do you think that the governor Scott is being helped by president trump and weird way which in which you know he has not been friendly to the president trump and Our, some vermonter saying I I wanNA support a good republican quote unquote. Definitely, he gets some points you know among Democrats for. Drawing contrast between himself and Donald Trump and being a vocal critic really one of. A few REPUBLICANS that sort of willing to openly criticize. President much has an estate were as trump was very unpopular. Get. Interesting Zander Linda vk dig, dot, Org thank you so much for joining me this morning. It's talking with you. Let's get together again soon. Already. I think a brief break for some CBS News. At the bottom of the hour back we're gonNA open a phone line pixels recalls. couple. Minutes folks. Itching to get out, explore our great state Don your mask and come to the warns store and the Beautiful Mad River valley. 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It's not a slam dunk with with everybody for sure. So happy to take calls from listeners about that or anything else that's on your mind this morning the we do have a caller on the line. Greg Nagorny checking in with us. He says that he was the recipient of a phone call. I. Guess last evening which sounded to him like a push poll and grey we first off where are you calling from and and and then tell us what happened. In Waterbury So I do. So I got a phone call last night at ranked through I was about fifteen minutes with the pollster. It was a West Burke number Looks like it came through my call log. From a number five, five, three, thirty, sixty, six. and. It was very clearly a push pull. It wasn't just awful. It was very clearly designed and actually they were up front until sponsored by the Millen campaign. But the poll is very clearly designed to Pink Scott in a positive light in prejudice molly gray questions along the lines of. My aware that Scott, hardworking business owner and that his mother served in the legislature and he's independent, but it doesn't make more or less likely to vote for him by the same token. The fact that molly gray supports legalisation at sex work to be That would cause you know trafficking and child pornography and horrible things to occur. More or less likely to vote for her It was fairly blatant. Wasn't much much artifice there. It was pretty upfront about what was. Able throughout on it and she just sort of laughed at me and kept going with the question. So it was pretty interesting and I guess I I alerted you to it simply because I hear an awful lot Vermont at the Vermont. Republican Party isn't the same as the National Republican Party. Vermont Republican Party is different, and in this case, that's very clearly not true. This is something that reminded me an awful lot of the Bush campaign's efforts two thousand South Carolina John Gain. Yeah, it's it's it's interesting. How sometimes campaign call Masquerade is a poll polling call and the object of the game obviously is to implant in your mind in the call recipients mind ideas like this candidate that candidate supports policies, which would have the following horrible effects and so on and so forth. And and and it it said to be pretty effective. A lot of political scientists out there talking about these poll these. Push polls as being a fairly effective strategies sounds like he didn't work with you to well. I think the future of that really interested me the most they were really interested upfront and figuring out what my registered party affiliation was and were that left me and they wanted to know whether I considered myself -servative. Monitor liberal within my party affiliation and I I, noted after that that the questioning really tailored to that So for example, they asked me what were my top issues and you know was I aware that you know? It was sort of a it was a choose your own adventure sort. First. It was it was well. Factly it was well done, but it's really well, I have one question. You hope you don't have here. Yeah. One question you said, they asked you which party you are registered with. Surprises being given. We don't have formal party registration here. Do you think this is a maybe written out of state somewhere I well could've then I I know only that the number rank West Burke and it was yeah. They define themselves with some sort of polling organization and they were careful to say several times before were completely independent and nonpartisan, but You know words words are. Diesel words. Well I. Am I am curious Greg I WANNA put the question out to our listeners right now if any anyone else out there received. The calls like this, where someone is calling up asking questions that seemed very favorable to. Fill Scott Phil Phil Scott Scott Milne and Very. Unfavorable to the Democratic candidate in this case in the lieutenant governor's race. So Molly Gray and. Folks out there have you heard these kinds of phone calls? Are you taking them a lot of evil these days score screener calls and he stuff like this but. Some people still pick them up, which is wife people spend the money to get these calls made. So interesting development out there. I actually was looking around I was trying to figure out there is a there is a proposal I think afloat in the legislature doesn't look like it's going to be enacted this year to legalize to some degree anyway sex work in Vermont. And and I guess one of the one of the criticisms of that idea is that it can tend to promote. Pornography or or other. The other shadier negative and terrible frankly aspects. Of. This kind of world. I. Wonder. I'm not sure I was looking around online trying to figure out. I. Don't know the answer to the question as to which of the candidates. Supports that legislation nor does not support legislation of any of them taking positions on a few having to know Greg or have you follow this closely enough. No I don't I frankly don't even have an opinion on it It just seemed like such a preposterous rooted entry to try to win over someone who may have been unsighted voter that. Well, IT'S A. There is a proposal out there which which it seems as though it's a fairly. Fairly nation thing is fairly new and untested an undebated. Really the needs to be would have to be fleshed out I'm sure and also would have to be. Would have to be really you know giving some serious consideration over the over time. In many many many many ideas like this in the Vermont. Legislature percolate for a couple of years before they before they even real. Really. Serious. Consideration by the legislature. So that may it's conceivable that could happen with things. So maybe it's worth, it's worth asking the question I may have to do that as a talk to the candidates in the coming weeks but. We will see how it all sugars say, and thank you for the call Gregory I. Really appreciate you checking in with us. Thank you I appreciate your already. Two four one seven seven seven is a local number in Waterbury one, eight seven seven to nine, one, eight, two, five, five, anybody else out there hearing what they think are push polls are people calling you up and asking are you really GonNa vote for this terrible. Or? That kind of stuff. Let's go to another listener checking in with US suffered from new good morning Fred. Yeah. Let's see here you're talking about A. College power. If looks right now, hydrogen fuel cell. The answer Kennedy Carnegie Mellon. Doing the research on it and they're saying that. It's if they can get the cost down to about thirty dollars a kilowatt. In the hydrogen-fuel-cell would probably be the name of the game. But right now, it's a breach. Right now it's a reach far to have to do a lot of a lot of you know work on it to discipline you can. You can scale them up. His party's you WanNa you can scale down. Yeah I've been hearing about hydrogen fuel cells probably since the nineteen ninety s as as this sort of holy grail for. Folks who want to make make lots of energy without a whole lot of environmental back to you know I I hope it works out someday I would say. That this is this is in one of those very still speculative categories of maybe we'll see I'm glad some universities are. Are trying to work on this stuff and. I read an article, five hydrogen fuel cells in late developments and. and. That's one of the problems connected. Here's the what they've got so far, and this is often the case with new technology. You know the first the first prototypes of whatever we're going to end up with are very, very expensive, and it's you wait until he gets into mass production before it becomes. Economical and so on. So that's a that's a fairly typical path for new technologies. I duNNo. I I'm not running out today to invest in Trajan fuel cell companies maybe I'll regret that. In ten years or twenty years or something when when I could have been a billionaire but. I. Guess I will have to. Suffer the consequences of my own. My own. Conservative. Approach to that kind of thing we'll see. We'll. See. Forty years ago you never thought you'd be a smart cellphone. Did You I you know and I mean forty years ago we probably thought that the Beta amax going to be a huge thing. There are technologies which are in development, get a lot of a lot of conversation and even a lot of customers for a brief period and then they fizzle so. and. Then there are others which. Are In development for awhile, and they have fits and starts, and eventually maybe they emerge as the next big thing but you know that's that's. That's the nature of the beast of this kind of thing. I I wish him well I. Obviously if they have if they have the solution to where we're going to get our energy. And minimize the impact on the environment whether it's climate change or any pollution than anything else. Connected to problems connected with the generation of this energy I mean one thing that's occurred to me over time is that just about every form of energy? Has. Its downsides we talk about nuclear while you gotTa deal with the radioactive waste we talk about. Wind power you gotta deal with the fact that you're building roads up mountainsides putting these big wind towers on top of mountains. A lot of people don't like the aesthetics there. We talk about a pretty much fracking and gas gas extraction problems get that from the point of view water quality and so on. So it I I've I've yet to. Learn about a source of of energy other than say the sun or maybe maybe something like A. Thermal and places go ahead. The downside of the hydrogen cell. Water. That's Why? I'm waters the. Water's the waste and and and clearly you know this this is a it is a it's exciting to think about I. Hope I hope it works. You know but again, this the. For Twenty years now and we're still. We doesn't feel like unless you know more than I do about this fred which made wouldn't surprise me but. It doesn't feel like we've made a world of progress we'll see. We'll see what comes in the coming years so. Move, but thank you for the call Fred. Interesting. Thought about about hydrogen fuel cells as a possible source of energy and they do have an attraction which is. Apparently. Can Be. Either very small I've heard of people talking about them powering a vehicle or for providing energy for household or you can add stack them up I guess in power whole city or factory or whatever he got. So it's a very. Scalable Technology. Believe, we have built from Berry with us. Good. Morning, Bill. Good Morning Dave on. What about the Breeder Reactor? Now, I don't know if you've heard about then I heard about him for over sixty years. That a reply. Then reprocessed to waste swipe bow down at Vernon. Can Process. And then send them back. That is my solution. That they outlawed in this country right now. But that's A few years ago and I won't go into that tail, but they're using buoy actors in. France. In China and other countries they also now have small with actors smaller than that this in nuclear submarines, NFL Rod, the reactors, these small reactors that can be put. In a small like an acre. That's a solution. It's not a complete solution, but that's one solution, but it's politically incorrect. Yeah well, I mean. The. BIGGEST CONCERN I own. I understand about Beata reactors that there's A. There's a worry about nuclear fuel being used to make bombs and and the United States obviously has been very interested over the years in a fancy word non-proliferation meaning they don't want. They don't want a whole bunch of countries and. Non. Actors meaning typically terrorist groups or whatever from getting their hands on used nuclear fuel. and. That's that's the concern. That's why that's why the on since. My answer. Sure. Law Gotten a hold of them. China has really actor. That China and countries like that. Why? God. So the bad guys already have it so. So, we won't have it, but they have it. So what you just said happened. So all these bad countries like career already have things like that. They have that technology we are using that technology so that we won't make them but we've already got they've only got it and we don't that is stupid. Well I get you and obviously maybe the horses left the already on this stuff but. You. Know I think. The nightmare scenario is for an outfit like Al Qaeda or Isis or somebody to get their hands on this technology and that wouldn't be. Land, they could get it from North Korea, they could get it for people in those countries. Having isn't stop. Guys that Guy Tennessee. Invented debris to reacting i. Discovered it. Yeah. Not being used by these bad. Countries. And by the way, I don't mean to say I'm on ultra ably opposed here but I like to give you a little push back just to make you realize what the counter-arguments are. Avid listeners realize that to. The last thing that I that I hear about about this on this question is a is a could. If, for instance, the applicability. issue. I guess if we all go to electric cars, maybe this question will be answered by that but. Generally in Vermont Anyway and a lot of other states now. People are less concerned about electricity generation as supportive as a as a source of carbon pollution as frankly solar has come up in a way wind to some extent other renewable electricity. Has Really our success I guess I should say the date in developing. Energy has come in the electricity sector. What remains is heat is building heating and industrial processes where you need heat and the other thing the other huge one that remains for. Difficult challenge in terms of using energy is in transportation so Let me continue legends and could be produced I nuclear and electric cars. A thing the. Little. Nuclear plants take very little space. To Pad to solar and wind and these other things that haven't. You know that we're using but art is not as. An efficient, and we're pretty well proven that we can do the nuclear safety especially with the bleeding reactor taking out. And Eliminating the bad ways once A. Power Plant has used up the reprocessed. Fuel. That stuff. The there what do you call it to half life is short and to appoint a car most. Say Completely say, but it's it's it's something and they just thought it up because it's totally. Incorrect. Yeah I. Well. I have a good point. I mean I've never on nucleus up I do know people who are. Worried I know more people on aircraft carriers I know pilots. Then, they didn't worry about it one bit. All right bill. Thank you for the call. Appreciate it inches. Interesting thought there about breeder reactors, source of plentiful and inexpensive energy. and. It would be it would be quite a change in policy for the United. States. We. have been known to make big change policy changes. In the recent past and so who knows maybe maybe this this is coming. To. Four, four, one, seven, seven, seven, or one, eight, seven, seven to nine one, eight, two, five, five, we are maybe just time for one more quick call here we are fast approaching the top of the hour on the Graham Show here on Wd FM and am and In that last minute I might want to mention haven't done this in a couple of days. Behind our podcast is a service that a lot of people tell me they like a lot because. 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Terrific online news site that is well worth checking out AXIOS DOT COM that's x I o s dot com, and they do really nice work on the national news seen out there very tightly written stuff. Ways fords and you can quickly be brought up to date on what the top stories are. Email from them in the morning that. Talks about their top editors sort of top ten list for the day and I find it very helpful just in terms of if I'm sort of saying to myself. So what are the big stories today anyway? It's it's a good good de program that they have to help. Folks understand really you know the most important stuff. Going on out there in the big bad world and. The. Mike Allen is there is there editor who? Every morning gets up must be crooked honored before dawn or something cranks a whole lot a whole lot of copy. The. Worries About Wall Street fearing election meltdown is top son Mike Allen's list. and. Hollywood is starting to make movies again, getting back in business there that's that's been A. Real girth, the coronavirus. Pandemic. So we we are. Absolutely. Wondering what's next the? On the movie front coming into award season and then I don't know how they're going to pull off an academy awards. This coming winter when they've been such little production of films in. In twenty twenty that's going to be a challenge I'm sure. So we'll be talking with. Will be talking with Steph Kite from access I believe if we can get connected with her in just a moment or two. The one of the things that. On Mike. Allen's list this morning just Justice Ruth Bader, GINSBURG 's death, and the fight over her replacement are amplifying Wall Street worries about major volatility and market losses ahead of or even after the election. That's Actually, market Senator Dion. Robin I think or something like that. The twenty twenty election is the most expensive event risk on record for Bloomberg. Which? With insurance that's on implied volatility six times. Normal level according to J.. P. Morgan analysts. It's amazing how they? Taking out insurance on on Wall Street investments. Layers of layers upon layers of risk in attempts to buy down that risk in that world of Wall Street investors. It's amazing how how that whole system got builds upon itself overtime. Then they talk about an accident this morning, the Supreme Court fight. Will compile them to partisanship and division in the event of a Cadet election analysts TD security saying note to clients. So Wall Street also trying to basically hedge their bets on the politics. What's going to happen with these court fight? What's going to happen obviously with the upcoming election that's going to be that is going to be. A concern the consideration for Wall Street because they're they're always looking for things to be worried about. That's the that's. The case there. Trouble tracking down Steph Kite. 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Well you know when the top screens that we're looking at right now is just how Wall Street is reacting to. That now down over the Supreme Court and looking at the election this year when my colleagues reported on how you know the US They're very passing and. Trump battling to name her placement Supreme Court before the election is really it's really find Wall Street about the volatility and market loss is ahead jus- getting everything going on and given the concern over the election being out and even challenge potentially. In November Yeah I guess I mean obviously it election that does not go off as smoothly as we hope would be perhaps A big worry to Wall Street investors but I. Part of me wants to ask sort of how do they? How do they? Calculate the need to get worried from. The it is I mean obviously it's a sad thing to have ruth. Bader Ginsburg died whom sorry. The loss of this much loved Spree Court justice but. Why does it have an effect on? Wall Street I guess. Bottom line question. No I, think this comes down to just You know the risk they're seeing at just the country in general being in the how state where there's so much concern over elections or people are going to be. Untrustworthy and all of that impacts the stock market in particular and so they're expecting because of the out because of the uncertainty because of concerns that could impact economy all that comes together to create a very uncertain Market, and that's where a lot of people are concerned given all these new changes on top of endemic those all content on one another. One of the chief sources of uncertainty surrounding this election I think. Is Statements by President Donald Trump that if he doesn't win, he will. Assume that the the election has been rigged fixed or was cheated out of his is victory or whatever. So maybe he's the source of the problem in terms of the uncertainty of what might happen in a normal US election season. You have a couple of candidates or Republican and Democrat, squaring off against one of their having a robust debate. You have an election, there's a smooth transition of power in the. Following January. All of that one assumes is is not incredibly concerning you're worrying to wall, street. This time it. Might be more of a worrier in no small part because of what the president is doing and saying and yet the president. Takes. Pride in what he thinks of as the what he what he talks about all the time is Wall Street's excellent performance. So why would a guy who is staking his political capital on these successful performance? Wall Street. Wants. To Cause Wall Street to have all of these shakes and rattles. Yeah well unsure because and trump doesn't think that what he said that actually impacting Wall Street as much as it may be as you know I think president trump is he he has his eyes on November he's GonNa do whatever it takes to win in. November and we've seen that with the way he talks about vote by Mail on the way he kind of shifted from warring people from sorting by males but then you know putting and making it easy for people to apply for absentee ballot even directing people to application through his own website But yes, all that that does add two the concern in the moment and president trump's kind of. Back, and forth, reckless behavior certainly does impact the markets anything that throughout his Presidency. Far. We're going to see it over the next few months as he continues to campaign, and as we continue to see the campaign season heats, we see the debate play out and how does the impact people's likelihood we to vote for Joe Biden or Donald. Trump. All that's going to continue to move markets especially as we look at. Whether or not we'll get some kind of a another stimulus package. That's another big factor in all of this economy is going to be suffering because the pandemic far into the future and a lot of people are watching the what the race power play out in the Senate and the House as well and how that could shake the kind of funding. We get even the election of amber. Well. Yeah. It's GonNa be a bumpy ride of sure but. We'll have to hang in there and see. How it all turns out Steph Guide of actually does thank you so much for joining me. This morning is a great talking to you. Already, we'RE NOT GONNA be talking to politics for the next forty five minutes here. On Dave Graham show, we occasionally like to switch switch it up and. Talk about things like hunting in Vermont in fact, every Wednesday. have been trying to trying to nudge the department of fish and wildlife into talking to us about what is going on on the wildlife front because I know an awful lot of folks here. wd Devi listener land care a lot about what is happening with our wildlife out there both because they want the more because they want to preserve them more many many different. Obviously obviously a mini many different. Motivations for the interest, but there's keen interest so. I Have A. I Have A. Good example of three folks here actually could team. They're going to be coming up in succession can do one at a time here over the next next few minutes and. We. Going to be speaking I with John Gunter, who is a hunter and hunter educator about small game hunting in Vermont, and the joys of going out there after squirrels and other small game in the state and. John on the phone with us this morning good. Morning. Wanting, day when you hear me okay. I can hear you and I thank you very much for checking in with us. So small game hunting mean most people when they think about hunting in Vermont, the first thing most to mind is. Deer hunting and and obviously pizza people hunt bears and Moose and. Turkeys and other stuff but. You are someone who is I think? More in the in the small gatemouth do hunt large game or small game really purely your thing. I. Try to Hunt Large Game by saying Someone who picked up hunting just a few years ago. I started with small game for practical reasons. squirrel hunting in particular is is those and require dogs. It doesn't require tree stands and in some cases, I would say, does require China research to figure out where to go. So so that was really how I got started. I do hunt Turkeys and I make some effort to hunt deer. But I'm I'm not that successful with that yet. Yeah I see that you are. Skilled squirrel hunter though and I. I am interested to find out. D-. What what is it that attracts you to that particular animal as target. Short story out of the. So when I picked up hunting about six years ago, I was driven five curiosity of a cook. I've been while not a professional cook all my life and has really worked in the last fifteen years to get closer and closer and closer to the source of my food at started fishing again, and harvesting I'm cooking my own fish and so when I decided to take hunting a big part of that was explore flavors that I haven't worked with North America a lot of wild game. can only really be eaten. If you hunt it yourself, it can't be resold. So squirrels were an obvious good place to start gray squirrels in particular are very plentiful in Vermont there They tend to be quite common on the edges of areas where people live. So finding them is not necessarily as difficult as other game species. and they're actually fairly easy to work with from a cook standpoint. I would say they're very high quality, meat and There's a lot of different things you could make out of them. So that was really why I chose the start there and then I think got kind of funny is I actually wasn't really successful for the first few years I spent a lot of time walking around. looking first world's on hunts and the short version is I learned a tremendous amount about the the woodlands and forests of Vermont and and other Flora and fauna that was out there in including like mushroom on thing I got really good at a lot of that because I wasn't so good at Squirrel. Hunting. Years is. Pretty Funny I joke about it every year it took me four hundred this year to actually succeed, and that's the best year yet usually I go out about six or eight times before i. So but what's happened now is I have a lot better idea where to look and I have a lot more patients than this year on the first try out I succeeded and hopefully people get a chance to look at it. I I showed people how did it and how I turned that into food and that's been. Very. Popular saying with people in Vermont I think especially this year when food security is in the forefront of people's minds. This is. Showed it on instagram? Right That's right. If. Folks. Find Your Sorry the Green Net, which is a sort of play on redneck and being in. Vermont the. Green. Your. Neck Okay what I've been doing is I work with fish and wildlife and we're creating. Stories about wild food which fish and wildlife will feature I. Think primarily on Instagram but maybe on facebook to and the idea there is to show people like a dish that came from wild foods in Vermont and then they add a little voiceover. which is a story about. You know how you found the food or what was going on how you got on your hunt or you're fishing and turn that into food which I think is really gonNA help people. We're trying to help people feel more comfortable with the idea of wild food you know going from woods to the table. In. The. Yeah No squirrels seems to be a favourite. I would think you would need multiple squirrels to really make a meal for a family no because they're of small. I think so that that's a that's a fair thought grey squirrels I would say tend to be about a pound and a half. And I made One of the things I like to make Each year is what's called the Brunswick Stew, which is A. a traditional American recipe from the mid Atlantic region, which is can be made with all different game but quite traditionally made with squirrels. and to make a a good sized. To feed eight people three or four squirrels is needed for that. What what I found is is like in that particular dish that's as much a harvest like stew as it is a meat stew has lots of potatoes and tomatoes and whatnot. So I like to think as a squirrel as you be part of a dish that has. Soup ingredients or stew like ingredients. So the Squirrel doesn't have to fill out the whole meal. It's just the protein that adds the flavor to it. Yeah, and and. Talk to me about flavor because I. I. Just. Personally. I don't think I've ever had score a little bit skeptical. Okay. That's a great question to ask and I will be at first to admit that. I was skeptical and I wanNA talk about creatures but when I? Started hunting. There were a lot of things like squirrel that I had never had before and I couldn't find anybody who was gonna serve me some. So when I got my first squirrels, it was really up to me figure out what to do with that beyond you know recipes I found on the Internet and I do collect older game cookbooks. There were a lot of recipes there. But because I have a cooking background kind of what I, my approach squirrels were to not try to make them into the food that you get at the you know your typical favorite chain restaurant, but instead to cook them as simply as possible. So in the beginning. I essentially just slow cooked things like a squirrel is a very active feature, and so it's got a pretty well developed musculature to me that usually means you're gonNA to cook it at a lower temperature for a longer time to up the muscle tissue. What I found is a squirrels think like other animals of the forest tend to taste a lot like the diet that they eat and that differs from season to season and year to year. in in the area where I tend to hunt squirrels, they tend to have excellent access to acorns. Nuts berries. Insects, other kinds of things, and when they eat abroad and buried diet I, find the way I would describe as a strength of flavor akin to. The meat of duck leg. For example, you've had a farm raised duct before it's dark in color, but it's moderate in flavor. But I. Don't find it to be like extremely gainey at all in fact. In recent years, I have a friend who hosts a party in. November with Salvador Dali theme also people show up in strange costumes and strange food has been he theme for that for years I'd bring squirrel to to that every year and and that environment tends to make people feel more comfortable like there's usually a lot of strange unusual things to eat. Squirrel is on middle of the road at that Party and I've had at least two dozen people try. Squirrel, for the first time and be like. Wow Gee you know okay. I would eat that again. So I regularly try to get people to try and those that do I think have a good reaction to that. Now one One fairly serious question I would think comes up is is squirrels are sometimes associated. With diseases. Arabia's in this kind of thing. How do you when you bring a squirrel home from the woods? How do you know that it's not GonNa make you sick? Excellent question. I can't say that I'm a complete `but on this. my experience has been. with squirrels is that because they're you know a healthy squirrels life expectancy in Vermont, as about two years. And so. They have to be fairly healthy. and being a fairly good spot diet. Wise to deal to survive at all. So my has typically been that if you actually see one out there and you're able to take it. While you're hunting, there's a really good chance to healthy squirrel to begin with because ones that aren't healthy have already been preyed upon or died for other reasons. But they have to process them yourself after you know because they are small I have crossed. US. Quite a number of them. You start to develop a feel for how the? the animal should look and feel when you start to break down I, have to admit I. have had a couple that I chose not to eat because I had concerns about. the way it looked and the way. But. Generally because I am cooking them, you know low and slow as I said, they are extremely well cooked by the time I, get to eating them. and. You know backup research that I've done on the Internet and talking to biologists has made me feel very good about. back concern rabies is always a concern but typically you know rabies infected animal doesn't behave in the normal way and so it's it's really pretty unusual. To actually take an animal that has rabies the other thing I I have encountered as close I did have one example of Squirrel Turkey. And I'm not going to explain that on the radio, but once you are trained to know what that looks like. You'll never make a mistake if you start to process animal that has to ulises. I see. Okay. To Talk to me a little bit about other animals that you might hunt I mean I'm thinking of your after squirrels. What about I don't know chipmunks, minks, weasels or Any other small animals. Yet so I think. In terms of priority. So part of it is is he's now these. So right now in Vermont, a squirrel bear and geese are the only things you can hunt that are under management. Red Red squirrels can also be hunted in Vermont they're not under management. So we don't have the specific season I do hunt them. Shipped you you could hunt but they. So I'm told aren't aren't worth. It tastes wife. I'll probably find out eventually if I ever. End, up taking one but other animals coming into season. So this Saturday. Cotton tail season opens. So rabbits are open to be hunted and also it's the opening four rough grouse, which is not a mammal but a bird. because it because of the nature of the habitat where they live, it's conceivably possible to be hunting all three at the same time. In fact I, some of my colleagues at fish and wildlife and I have been hunting together for squirrels and starting on Saturday. We'll be hunting for squirrels, rabbits and grouse all at the same time. Other small game that can be hunted in Vermont snowshoe. Hare which is not a rabbit but similar and bigger. Those tend to be higher elevations in the mountains You can also hunt would chuck's which are quite delicious and. Fairly common. I think you did mention are some We do have both the trapping and hunting season for raccoon in Vermont and. While we don't have the time to talk about raccoon was was a food that I was very skeptical of and last year a friend of mine took the raccoon that lifts causing some problems on his property. And he and his son skinned for a hat and I took the carcass and made a stew out of it and much like my first experience with Squirrel it was act plan. And People Really John Gotcha. Unfortunately, we are about out of time but I do appreciate you checking in with us. This is fascinating. I didn't really know this thing that much out there but there it is. Hunting small game, we're going to talk about it some more after the break Jonzon gotta take take off. We got another day firm is going to go in and then we will be talking to a chef in the last part of the program this morning. So stay with US folks. Itching to get out, explore our great state Don, your mask, and come to the Warren Store and the beautiful mad. River valley stores open to a limited number of customers upstairs and down Jelly take out by phone or window, but you can finally choose beer wine ships, etc. No appointment needed upstairs well-stocked with cool summer clothing cards, candles, bags, and jewelry puzzles and toys for all ages art supplies, books, and Interactive Games are your kids board and driving you crazy bring them to the Warren store practicing all safe protocols masks required. newsradio WD FM and am now back to the day. Bram show. Talking about hunting small game in Vermont and. Interesting conversation with John There in the last quarter hour talking about hunting squirrel and cooking them up and stews and I don't know and I don't think I've ever had squirrel. And maybe I need to be more adventurous eater. I did try an interesting dish actually last year my my wife and I went up to Montreal score back before the Kobe when you still do that and we went up to Montreal, for the weekend celebrating, we're thing or something. We went out to eat and I had. I had wild boar which was absolutely delicious with Nice mushroom sauce. But I said to my wife afterward I said. So if you are what you eat, am I am I pretty wild or am I kind of a war? Anyway. We are hoping to be speaking in the next couple of minutes with Dave firm and another hunter of small game in Vermont and someone who is. Very interested in recruiting and attracting new folks to the to the whole hunting. Line. Activity shall we say in the in the In our great state here in Vermont and. He so far has not appeared will. Join US very very shortly. Meanwhile I'm wondering if listeners out there have had experienced in hunting small game I we understand from. Some. Communication we had yesterday from Lewis Ford or the commissioner of fish and wildlife that. Davidson Davidson accomplished hunter including grouse and woodcock. So it sounds like he he likes the birds and wondering. Wondering if folks out there when you go out hunting, you mainly go for this sort of very popular traditional deer or do you like to try to find a moose. Someone who is Hunting the small stuff and including squirrels in the case of John Contour are just previous guest here on the day of Graham Show Wd FM, and am give us a ring talked about your Your hunting experiences any small game you might have captured any favorite recipes you have. We're GONNA be talking a little bit later. In this. Last half hour of the program this morning with doug pain he is chef at the Hotel Vermont. And Very accomplished chef from from what we understand and Doug has. A lot of. Cooking, fish and game and foraged foods and we're GONNA be finding out maybe from him what a good thing to do if you have to come home with. With a raccoon. I guess you make the you make the pelts into a hat This is something that. John was talking about just before the break and then. You've got some raccoon meet on your hands and what do you do that? You. You FRY it up. Put it in a stude-. You roasted, you put it in the smoker. Of sure there's all sorts of different approaches you can take to cooking any of these small game meats. But also you really curious about about would woodcock and grouse. I've also I've never tried to out a little bit and get a little more adventurous in in what I. EAT But. The. The show is. Really devoted today to this. Very. Interesting. Very, interesting discussion about about hunting small game in Vermont. So if you have experiences with that we're happy to hear you hear you out here at W D two, four, four, one, seven, seven, seven is a local number. In Waterbury the toll free number is one, eight, seven, seven to nine, one, eight, two, five, five, or two, nine, one, talk and. This is this is a field that. You don't one of the great things I really enjoy about doing this I get to learn. Something new every day frequently about. Five different aspects of life here in our great state and. I'm not a hunter personally myself I. Don't. I don't have any. Philosophical. Opposition to it so people do but. I also don't have. Also don't have the. keenest eyesight. So it'd be out there wondering that raccoon that chip walk. So. We have a caller on the line from Bradford and I'm sorry his name can you tell us what your name? Gary Moore. Gerry how're you doing? Today. Oh. Good. So are you one hundred small game? I am. Wow. What do you like to get? Well certainly. Patrick jaw rough grouse. Partridge pikers is what we call them around here, Gray Squirrel and and social hair. Wow. Okay. Cook-. Cooking. I take and. Usually. Put them in the. Freezer. And then when I get. To, Gray Squirrel two thirds and perhaps a rabbit or hare. my wife thinks delicious Game Pie just the same way you would make a chicken pie. the biscuits and gravy. The three together complement one another and to me it's delicious. Wow that she does sound pretty good. All three the spaces we're talking about you know a relatively small so individually. It's pretty high to make much of a meal out of at least for more than one person. But. Yeah. Together put them together and. got a good quantity of meat and a delicious. Game Pie. That's that's something. When was the last time? You had a game Pie. Year. Ago. Yeah and and. Hopefully. Have another one, this faller. Oh Yeah. Once I get done. Next year then. I'll be able to get out hunting a little bit I'll zoomed. Yeah, right right. Hey I'm wondering actually in search of the time of devoted to hunting. Have you found yourself doing more of that this year with the Kobe going on a lot of people have a lot of time on their hands because they're not working as much or whatever going out and doing stuff and that kind of thing. What do you find there? In my case. A lot less fact I have been hunting the. Year. What worship I haven't been fishing. Oh Man. Yeah I've been. Speaking of fishing you mentioned. That oftentimes, if you catch us if you hunt and you and you get a small animal, a squirrel or something or or even one of the birds would cocker browser. Or? Partridge. You. It's not enough for a meal just to get one you gotta gotTa is kind of. Atom for it. And I find that with fish to there's times. You know catch a fish and I'll get back to the happen to the House or whatever and and I've got it on the ready to fillet it and boy there's not a whole lot here in one fish. Same thing I've I often will freeze fish until I got enough that I lot whatever. Especially true with ice fishing for perch and other pan. Fish. Yeah. You got a bunch of them and laid it have friends around for a fish fry. It might be months later because they freeze pretty well. That's that is a good thing and. I I love eleven. Nice. Fish meal that. TC stuff. So what Gary I thank you for the call I appreciate your. Go ahead regarding your comment about. A lot of people fishing the Lai haven't a certain to be certainly are a lot of people out fishing One of my younger brothers lifts to fish I mean he literally fishes one hundred and thirty days he normally. He said. Every place he goes The just. Just crowded with issue on the normal places he goes. In fact Alpa. Greenville Maine by on Moosehead Lake fishing some of those bonds up there right now I, heard from. Two days ago, and he said they would just the usual pools along the river very crowded and I know that's the case here and. I was up in I was up in Pittsburgh the Hampshire across the narrow a week ago. The same thing that fishermen are everywhere. Wow that's amazing. You know. You keep social distancing and stuff with this Kobe thing. Out To some wooded stream bank and you're realizing, wow, it's tough to stay six feet apart. Mike Lines tangled nothing else. So haloed Gary I really appreciate I appreciate the call I gotTa move along but thank you so much for checking in with us it's good talking with you. Not only do we now have day firm from the apart He's a board member of Vermont's chapter. Back. Country Hunters and anglers. They focus on the conservation aspect do hunting, but he's also very involved in the recruitment of new hunters including adult onset hunters. That's interesting because John John to our first guest in the segment back around ten fifteen was one of those adult onset hunters folks who take take up hunting not as a kid but monroe growing up and. So we have dave firm joining us and Dave thank you very much for getting on the phone with US morning. Thanks for having me. Doug. Pain is also on the phone. He's cheese the chef at the hotel Vermont in Burlington described as one of the top chefs in Vermont and. He has a lot of skill cooking, fish and game and forged foods and gotta you gotTa. Cook. Locally Vermont people expect the local foods ear of Doug. Pain, thank you very much for joining joining us this morning as well. Let me start with with Dave if I could day firm and what are what are your favorite favorite things to hunt out there. Well I I. Probably, the most enjoyment I get is partridge hunting rough grouse people know him and that's a it's something that people can find really easily across most of Vermont. you know the region and I think they're really accessible because. You don't have to get up early. You don't have to be quiet. You can just go for a walk in the woods. and you know a lot of people have really good access to some really good hunting. So there's some great public land available There's plenty of private land available and It's just a it's a really good eating bird. It's fun to get out whether you get. You're not. It's so good time. That's great and. Doug painted the hotel Raimondo have you ever had grouse on the menu up there? not not technically on the menu we've served some. At Wild game dinner series that we used to do with the fish and wildlife department, can't legally have wild game on your menu. But when you have a sponsored event like that you can. See. How and what do you think is Doug is the best way to prepare grouse. Slow roasting. You want to you want to focus on the cooking 'cause they. You know they could be a little little tougher than your supermarket me but Y-. That's that's interesting way more way more taste and You know and it's So much of our many of our local foods. Including hunted foods just to do have an extra element of freshness to them and they and they really. It really brings out You know you know what you're eating because it definitely speaks to you that way. It's a wonderful experience frequently and and. and Dave when you go out hunting for for grouse. that. You are someone who likes to introduce other folks who are not hunters to the to the sport. So Nice bring bring rookies along with you. Yeah absolutely. Like I said, it's something that's it's really accessible for a lot of people. There's a lot of different ways to do it. I have a dog there's various times kinds of dogs people will use for it that you know our bread. That's that's kind of what they do. And then plenty of people can do it without and so it's it's something that's really accessible for people. and. Can Be approached a lot of ways, and at the same time you go out and you can run into rabbits and squirrels and stuff that are also really good eating. So yeah, it's an easy way for somebody to get their feet wet and have a good time at the same time. You have a dog dog do you have. A lab. And you find that that breed particularly good on for hunting I mean, they're retrievers they. They would go get right. Yep. There's people use either they call flushing dogs or pointing dogs. Both. Great. Really appreciate just dogs in general. So I have friends that have labs, Springer Spaniels very you know pointers, setters and they all have great things about him They're mostly just personal preference. I congressman work. Yeah Cocker Spaniel actually read specifically hunting dogs so They've got it in them. I. Think of this dog is being too goofy to do anything useful. Maybe I'm wrong. So. And he's he's not quite three years old. Too Lazy trainer trader could I still train them to do this? Without getting into the weeds. It's easier if you know if it's done from a younger age, but for possible and most Doug, how it's just genetically part of what they are. So it really more direction than training. Right see yeah, that's that's interesting Doug? I'm wondering, are you hunter as well as a chef for you just wait to have somebody else bring to me to cook. US As I, wait for somebody else I hunted a lot when I was a kid but I I have an in many years. and. As a chef are there does it bring you particular joy to To Cook, something that is out of the woods as opposed to out of a freezer supermarket meat. Counter. Absolutely like said earlier, the taste is way better, but you know just the connection to the land and. you know the the heritage of is is great and. You. Know it's also super healthy so Yeah, that's an enough folks right now, of course, you know with our economy and sectors such a hamster to Buffy, rather the coronavirus and everything I'm hearing from people that. That hunting is a good way to supplement the food supply because obviously if you're out of work in, you worried about We're next week's a grocery money's coming from There's a there's a way to at least supplement what you're what you doing for your Diet. So wow, that's. something. Yeah important consideration as well. David. As you've been out hunting in the woods I was I was we had a caller on earlier talking about fishing and he was saying that. All of his favorite fishing spots are really crowded because a lot of people are out there fishing maybe wouldn't would normally be at work. We just talk about people being out of work. and. Are you finding a lot more hundreds in the woods Dave. The. Moton in any of the seasons have opened in September So people are out hunting squirrels. There's a bare season I have personally seen a lot of people out in the woods, but not a ton of hunters. I think one of the best things about Vermont is just the amount of access that people have between. state wildlife management areas, some of the state forest public land town forest. You know there's some federal in the national forests. people have access to a huge amount of area including some of the lake where there's water, fowl and fish. And I think it. It's really pretty easy for most people to go out and say you know what's going to be the most fun on this particular day go find not not the shoulder to shoulder with people It's really quite a good place for that. So yeah, I'm I'm not worried. Okay Interns of the multiple. Opportunities out there Was, I think one of our earlier guests was talking about the fact that you can go out hunting for for. A grousing and and get a rabbit instead. And I'm wondering. Who? I meant to ask him in didn't. So ask you what about geared you want different gear. To get different species. The. Yes and no Yes, there is some requirement for different species in order to make an ethical shot you want an animal to suffer obviously. And there are some requirements So wonderful for instance, requires nontoxic shot, a lot of people choose to use that and just for versatility sake. But outside of matching the you know the size shot or whatever to the game that you're shooting. So it's it's enough to do it in an ethical way You can really do it as much as little as you want. You can. You can go overboard and get all the gear you know modern stuff invested boots and pants and whatnot. Throw on a pair of jeans and a pair of boots and go out in the woods so. It's not a requirement and for anyone who's just getting into it to get their feet wet and try it out Just you know some some good warm clothing, an piece of orange and you know shotgun or twenty two for small game and your business. Yeah Okay That's interesting. In terms of the gear I'll tell you I. was spoken funded a friend of mine not not long ago where you know he was he has got to vote in a trailer and he and he got all his got all his fishing tackle and Cetera et Cetera. And you know there's a little expensive licensed since and I say boy by the time he cloudy catch a fish it's going to be four hundred dollars a pound. Yeah if you approach it that way, it's not it becomes a lifestyle like. Douglas saying it's it's really a connection to where people are when I say lifestyle. It's it's everything from what you do on your time off to what you think about to how you spend time with family, how you cook and how you eat and it really is. A real connection to place all the way right? I I will say I was I was trying to be a wise guy you know. I I know what you're saying and I. I don't mean it that really denigrated sort of is it is. Kind of strange irony. So five when you when you consider just the pure numbers, it's But Not. Not, quantifying. That way. Yeah, absolutely. Doug fainted I WANNA, ask you go fishing question, which is what are your favorite Sort of local species of fish to cook. Low Lake Trout, is Great you know is one of the bigger ones so you can. Kind of you know do a little more whether you can gorilla you. CAN YOU PAN FRY serious Yeah. Purchased Perch Tastes Great. It's really light and flaky know definitely better in the winter than summer. Those those you know all all trousers he's really tasted. Wow, well, gentlemen new. We're about out of time, but I really WANNA. Thank you both very much as well as previous guest John. John from for coming on day firm and doug pain. Excellent conversation. Thank you so much. Thank you. Already a fast approaching the top of the hour, which means the end today's edition of the day show. Here's the FM and am join us again tomorrow morning for another edition of our show. Stay tuned now for he'll sair commonsense radio. Good afternoon everybody.

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F-35s and Climate Issues

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F-35s and Climate Issues

"The. Radio vermont. It's the Dave Graham show on WD. It's your show about the people places and the issues that matter the most to you now, here's your host, Dave Graham. Good morning month. This is not Dave Graham, oh is sad to disappoint but a privilege to be here. Sitting in Dave's chair. He's ill today. So BT digger dot org is taking over the studio for the next two hours. I'm sitting alongside Zander. Landon the politics reporter for digger. Thanks so much for having me. Con excited to be here for the next couple of hours with you. And I'm diggers managing editor Colin mine. We've got an awesome show lined up for you today. Our first guest nine thirty is going to be Richard zip linski who represents the organization veterans for peace. We're gonna talk domestic we're gonna talk foreign we're gonna talk about f thirty five's coming soon to Vermont, the new class of fighter jets. And we're gonna talk about what he says is a very worrying situation between the US and Iran and the. Tensions building there. And then the second hour is all about the earth. We've got selene Coburn a progressive from Burlington who is one of the leading supporters of a carbon tax and also was one of the only house member to vote against the budget. And that was because she doesn't think that lawmakers are doing enough to deal with the threat of climate change. Then after her we've got Sarah Copeland hands. This who is the chair of the house government operations committee and also a leading advocate for the global warming solutions act, which is something that's being considered this year. It's not gonna go anywhere. But it's an idea that we're certainly going to hear about for years to come. And it's a way to sort of pass laws that hold government agencies to account for dealing with some of the sort of pressing climate issues and some of the goals that everyone says they want to meet, but Vermont has been slow to sort of act in this would sort. Spur government agencies to put their money where their mouth is I suppose, but first we're gonna pick zander's brain a little bit here about what's going on the legislature. There is fifteen legislative days left. You've been basically living in the state house for the last few months, what's happening here. Well, what's happening here is what you know has been happening for the last. It's pretty much been a very clear path from the beginning for the democratically controlled legislature, the priorities we've known what they were going to be. And we still haven't seen a lot of consensus on these big priorities. Like paid family leave minimum wage proposal to tax and regulate marijuana sales. And the other big one is finding a new ongoing sustainable source for clean water funding. None of those major priorities have seen a resolution one way or the other. It's looking like it may be. Bit tougher than we we may have expected for Democrats to be able to seamlessly pass these things and get them to the governor's desk. You know, we have seen minimum wage and tax and regulate marijuana proposals. Very swiftly passed the Senate where it's much easier for Democrats to move Sony four out of thirty seats. I think they've gotten are Democrats. Correct. The house, you know, we've also seen, you know, pretty successful votes on these proposals. I mean, really the one is paid family leave, and then there's also a fuel tax proposal, which I didn't mention that one is about, you know, doubling the fuel tax to put more money in the table for home weatherization. But there are some, you know, you know, concern as to whether or not some of these things are going are going to actually be able to cross the finish line, or if they do garnered signature of the governor who's come out against the Democrats approach to paid family leave. He's opposed to fifteen dollar minimum wage almost categorically hard line on tax Regna wanna and he's taking a harder line. I think than than some Democrats had expected. He. In what that means is, you know, last week, he came out and said that he would only sign the Bill if if there were saliva testing, there's a saliva testing measure company ING, the legislation with that is test that police would be able to use on the roads to determine whether someone has THC in their system by you know, sampling, someone's saliva, there's a lot of concerns from civil rights groups, and a lot of Democrats that that test is not the best way to determine whether someone's intoxicated because it doesn't actually determine intoxication at the time of the tests, it only determines whether or not the presence of THC is in your system. So that could lead to a lot of fuzzy, you know, determinations, so he wants to see that test the house passed that last year, they they passed a Bill that would essentially legalize Siva testing. But the Senate is pretty firm. Against it for those civil rights concert, a method that we're going to get deeper into with sling Coburn, who's our guest, the ten o'clock hour, and she's on the House Judiciary committee, which is being asked to vet that specific proposal about roadside saliva testing for marijuana intoxication, if you wanna talk to us about your legislative priorities or you want ask some questions of our guests Richards. A plenty of veterans for peace at nine thirty sling Coburn at ten o'clock, and Sarah Copeland hands us at ten thirty. Even call in local is eight oh, two two four four one seven seven seven or toll free one eight seven seven to nine one eight two five five that's one eight seven seven to nine one talk. I'm calling my in the managing editor of BT digger alongside Zander. Landon our politics reporter and were filling in for the legendary Dave Graham here on the day of Graham show, then Orland and. Talking about some of the sort of priorities here for the last fifteen days legislative session. And you know, the in November the Democrats had a pretty fantastic election by accounts. You know, they some people said they got a super majority. I think speaker of the house Mitzi Johnson has called it a super coalition along with progressives and some left leaning independence. And I think there was a sense that they are sort of going to be able to do whatever they wanted. And I guess I'm wondering sort of as we approach the last few weeks the legislative session here. You know, you're talking about minimum wage going up to fifteen dollars paid family leave attacks regulated system for marijuana a little extra tax for some climate change solutions. And none of these things seem like a sure thing. And I'm wondering what's going on the dynamics when you have one hundred to approximately votes out of a hundred and fifty they should be able to move whatever they want. Why doesn't that seem like it's happening right now? Well, not all Democrats are on the same page when it comes to these. Proposals. And we've seen that already borne out in the votes on these these measures paid family leave saw more than more than ten. I think it was about a dozen Democrats voting voting against the measure because they don't want. They don't they don't believe that the way the program is funded or they don't believe that what the program offers is worth the cost. It's a mandatory payroll tax that employ employees will have to pay unless their employers volunteer to cover some or all of that cost. So that's money that's going to have to come out of employees paychecks. And it's I think it's estimated that only five percent of employees eligible to use the benefit would be using it each year. So some people say why are we going to be paying for? It's a total of seventy six million dollars annually. You know, why why are we gonna pay for this? When only five percent of the people are gonna use it, obviously Democrats who support this thing. It's an essential benefit that, you know, now only fifteen percent of her monitors who are working have access to paid leave programs, and this would provide basically eight or twelve weeks depending on the kind of leave that you take to take care of someone who's sick to take care of yourself. If you're sick, and they see it as an essential benefit and something that also helped draw families in to the state young families and keep workers here. You know, it's it's seen as an economic development proposal in some ways, but you have a coalition of more moderate Democrats who don't want to see that happen. And or at least the way as written. They wanna more moderate version of the proposal, and that wouldn't be an issue if you had a governor who was on board with the paid family leave Bill because it wouldn't matter if the governor veto the Bill, however, when a governor vetoes a Bill you can't override the governor's. If you have enough votes to do so, but if those twelve or thirteen Democrats independents who voted against the paid family leave measure. Can keep their votes. As is. You're not gonna be able to get to the one hundred votes, you need to override the governor's veto pen, and that holds with all these proposals minimum wage we haven't seen a vote on minimum wage in the house yet. But last year, I believe it was something like seventy six voting for and I don't want to do the math in my head. I'm gonna get it wrong. But the rest of the body voting against that is not you know, it's a different makeup of in the house this year. So you don't know how the votes can change. But if it if it stayed somewhat around there about seventy five eighty people that's not nearly enough. You know, you you need to overcome you need to flip a lot of votes to override a veto. And there's a lot of concern about the minimum wage because that Bill didn't even make it out of the appropriations committee with that committee's recommendation or seal of approval last year because of the conflicting conclusions about what happens when you raise the minimum wage to fifteen dollars an hour the extent to which burdens or help small businesses and folks in rural areas is not exactly clear by any account. They're different different conclusions. So that doesn't you know that sort of I think we're gonna see that concern again this year, and I don't think the governor gives really anything to govern that you could do that Bill to get the governor support at paid family. Leave is another story. I think he's come forward with his own proposal proposal that wouldn't make people pay into it unless they they wanted to essentially that sort of an oversimplification, but it would be voluntary program. He wants to the program to volunteer. And unless it's fallen Terry. He's probably going to veto the Bill at the beginning of the session. The Senate leader Tim Ashe couple interviews with him. And he talked about compromise at the middle of the session. He continued talking about compromise and said that sort of legislating through veto overrides is not the way that he wants to do business and speaker of the house Mitzi Johnson seemed to be on board with that message. But you know, now we're few weeks away from the end. And it seems like if there was going to be compromises with the governor on some of these sort of priority pieces of legislation, you know, minimum wage doesn't seem like there's much common ground. They're paid family leave certainly a voluntary program something the is willing to get on board with with tax and regulate marijuana. It seems like the compromise lies in this roadside saliva testing. Which is something that Democrats have generally not supported or at least in the Senate. You look at the fuel tax governor doesn't want that you know, and you can sort of see some roads for quick compromise. But I would say. A lot of cases paid family leave, you know, that's gonna stay basically where it's at and till it gets to the governor's desk. And I guess I'm just wondering have you seen the sort of compromise? That was being talked about for the first couple months of the session actually, take shape here as we approached the finish line. I think that you've sort of highlighted a lot of these done nonnegotiable, so to speak or seemingly non negotiable positions that I can't see personally as a reporter one side, overcoming or one side saying, okay. Yeah, we can give this up in order to get you to support it. You know, I think I think the house for example with with the saliva testing for marijuana. I think that they actually have first of all I passed it last year. I think they'd be willing to to give that to the governor to get him to support the tax and regulate Bill, I don't think the Senate would based on what I've heard and conversations with senators about sly testing. I think that I can't see Democrats going for the governor's version of the paid family leave proposal the voluntary program for the reason that they think that a benefit like paid family leave should be something that everyone pays into and everyone has sort of universal access to that is an idea that they can't seem to be willing to that. They've said that they don't want to compromise on essentially, they don't think the bill's going to be effective if they take that drastic step exactly on clean water. I think maybe there could be. I mean, it depends on the funding source right now the. The we know that the House Ways and means committee, which writes the taxes in the house response the committee responsible for writing taxes in the lower chamber is looking at a litany of sales tax options to generate the revenue needed to build some capacity to eight million dollars clean water funding. They're looking at a tax on candy attacks on clothes and attacks on online software sales. Those are all sales taxes new sales taxes that don't exist. We don't know. You know, those are just three options are looking at. We know they're looking at more. But if let's say they did go with one of those proposals. It'd be hard to imagine the governor. Yes onto million. You know, he had his own proposal involved using the estate tax and existing sort of tax revenue for something dedicating it to the clean, water funding and Democrats didn't like that idea. So. We're going to have to see some path forward for all we're gonna. I mean, whatever's going to happen is going to happen in the next month. I can't say based on what I know where the compromise is going to land at this point. We're sort of reaching these lines in the sand for on both sides. And something's gotta give. We'll see what it is in the coming weeks. That's right. You heard it from Senator Lennon, first whatever's going to happen in the next month is going to happen in the next month. Some great analysis. We were talking for the last twenty minutes about legislative priorities. And you know, we got fifteen days left here. Democrats have a lot to move on pretty much everything. They've abortion is one issue that there's been a big number supporting, but basically everything else still a lot of work to do figuring out how they can craft these bills get the governor's signature, but for the last few minutes of one on one talk between me and Zander here before we start getting guests on the show. We wanna talk about the budget Zander. You had story today about what the governor thinks about the budget that was passed by the house a couple of weeks ago. It is now in the Senate, you know, which is going to make significant changes as they always do what are the sort of Senate priorities here. And what is the governor wanna see and how likely is he to get what he wants. Well, what we're seeing in the Senate is. Priority that wasn't really shared in the governor's office or in the house, the house passed its version of the budget last month. And so now, it's the senate's turn to take a crack at the the spending Bill, and they're going to be passing it out of probably within the next two weeks. What their priority is? The one that we can see so far then when they're willing to talk about is basically prioritizing funding for some of these social services in the state that haven't seen increased funding for years if not. If not ten years and the two programs that they've highlighted are that they that they want to see what digital funding is reach up, which would which is program provides financial assistance to low income families and that hasn't seen in up in its budget. And I believe since two thousand six and then the other program that they've talked about is Medicaid program, which the name escapes me, I polish is, but it's a program for seniors living in residential care facilities, which is basically step a low and nursing home residential care facilities, which of which there are about one hundred and five throughout the state, and basically third of the folks that that go to those facilities or on, Medicaid, which means they don't pay anything to to live there. But the reimbursement rates for that program haven't gone up in years, and that's actually putting financial strain on the facilities the residential care facilities. And they're saying essentially that we're not. Able to take as many folks who are on Medicaid and bring them into these homes because. When you take them on. You're you're losing money because it costs more to care for the for those folks than the state is providing and reimbursement. So. You're listening to Viti diggers takeover WD vis Dave Graham show this morning. You can join the conversation here Zander, Landon beating politics reporter local number is eight oh, two two four four one seven seven seven toll free one eight seven seven to nine one eight two five five that's one eight seven seven to nine one talk. We've got a caller Ruth from Sheldon. What's going on? Democrat controlled the legislature. But they don't have any common sense. And they don't have any wisdom everything that they are doing is hurting me personally. And I don't like it. And they do not listen to people who come in and say, these proposals are going to put us out of business. You are not helping us. You are hurting us. Now, they're going to be responsible. I wish they would listen to the people who come in and testify. The minimum wage. Can't afford to pay a fifteen dollar an hour. Minimum wage it's going to put businesses out of business. Now, progressive democrat told me because our business was going out of business. Well, we didn't deserve to be in business. If we couldn't pay our employees good wages, and if we couldn't give them all kinds of benefits we deserve to go out of business. And that's what they say about WalMart. That's what they that's what they think they think we don't even deserve to live in this state. Thank you for your your thoughts. A lot of a lot of folks in the state house share that position that. Concerns that raising the wage artificially now to fifteen dollars an hour will will will will will pose problems for small businesses and burden burden them as you suggest. And then obviously, there are others who say it's essential. Essential measure to help lift people out of poverty. You take the pack that they wanna put on home heating oil. I'll never see any benefit from whether I but all have to pay for it. I don't see any benefit from all the money that I Ford into healthcare because I still go without so everything that the Democrats have done does not work to help the people of Vermont curious, you know, there's sort of a lot of the issues Zander was talking about that they're prioritizing in the budget things like, you know, raising the cost of living for people in nursing homes or elderly care homes or raising the cost of living, you know, which hasn't gone up in fifteen years for families. You know, they're struggling to get by and, you know, without sort of either setting aside large chunks of the budget or finding ways to raise revenue if it's clean water for the lakes to make sure that the lake stay in decent shape for the decades to come. I mean, how do you fund those things if it's not through you know, some sort of raising of taxes and fees. You know, fund them you let the market. You let the market succeed or fail as it will look at all the farmers are going out of business. Now, the state has pumping huge amounts of subsidies to help those farmers. You know, I mean, they're they're struggling. But they're no it's not helping because they're all going out of business. It's not helping hurting people. And they they and they don't have any commonsense to see that they are hurting the people of Vermont. They are not listening to the people if they're happy that they have a big majority, and they think they have the will of her mind, but I'm telling you, they do not certainly folks who, you know, think allow like you came out in big support, Phil Scott, you know, there was an interesting phenomenon in the election where you saw a lot of Democrats getting elected, you know, in their local races, and people casting their votes for Phil Scott. So I think that economic conservatism certainly has not gone away. Way in Vermont, and there's a huge amount of support for it given that that was fill Scotts main campaign platform, so you represented in my peeler by one part of the government at least care problem. The democrat who changed the rule of daycares and forced half of the daycares out of business. Now, they want to help them by giving people subsidies by charging other people money. So that they can give money to the people who need care. Thank you. Thank you so much for the call route. And we encourage others to call in as well it is heading on nine thirty here. And we're gonna take a break on the day Graham show. Giant tensile? So successful last year. We're doing it. Again. Fifty to seventy five percent off last season's summer and winter clothing Saturday and Sunday, April twenty seven and twenty eight from nine to six party dresses from Alana Catan, I'll last Tango and Liotta sportswear from tools. Jack, towed, Royal Robbins, Hobo bags and jewelry. Come for lunch on the deck and treat yourself to some great stuff at ridiculous prices worth the trip to the beautiful mad river valley almost world-famous Warren store, fun, hunky and friendly. Good morning, Vermont. Thanks so much for joining us here on BT diggers radio hour on WD EV. We're filling in for grandma. I'm calling mine alongside Zander land in our politics reporter. And joining us in the studio here is Richard chip linski a veterans for peace. Good morning. Good morning. Glad to be here. Can you tell us a bit about what the organization you Orgainzation is up to? Well. We're trying to foster peace in the best way. We can and just a tough job on. I probably think you've seen us in the parades. Last year, we had the budget banner fifty feet long showing the military budget compared to what's put in for veterans care and diplomacy and then practically nothing for restoration of what the perpetual wars we've been in for a while here. So that's one thing we. That's that's basically it. And we're struggling now to figure out. What's the best way to foster peace, and we're asking people, how do you foster peace? It's a tough job. And how do you sort of see, you know, Vermont, you know, we've got the national guard. We've got a thirty five sort of new cutting edge, although somewhat disastrous fighter jets heading this way. Sach's in the sense that you know, the amount of testing that's been done on them. A lot of concerns. A lot of local lot of local frustration with the fact that they're coming here. But I guess I'm wondering, you know, you talk about the sort of defense budget, and you know, the costs how does this all sort of impact for monitor's? Well, you know, when you look at your federal tax dollars when you put in one hundred dollars sixty five that is going to the military budget in our our feeling is that you know, until last year the the defense department wasn't audited. And they found out, you know, some inaccuracies and so on in in the in the in audit. But you know, there's a lot of money going there. So there should be a cost effectiveness. I mean, I think as I said, my commentary Vermont digger awhile back. We aren't smart about what we're preparing for preparing for the wrong war, and it cyberspace now see in the elections. What happened the influence that can be very very strong quite quickly on on the internet these days. So that's that's one of the main things and with these thirty fives that are heading to Burlington. I think that they're gonna start arriving in a few months, you know, there there's been some discussion about sort of the levels which their nuclear equipped. You know, certainly these jets are eventually meant to be able to carry nuclear bombs, we sort of looked into it. They're not ready for that quite yet. But it certainly is a reality and a few years. So, you know, you've got this billion billions of dollars program jets coming be based in Vermont won't that make Vermont more say, well, you know, the F16.'s are gone took off what a week ago or something. The thirty five's aren't due to come to lock Tober. Alice. I understand it. And you know, the case has been made. Well, we're safer because they're they're well, we've got a window here. What's what do we fill in? So that's doubtful to me. Whether there's there's a a need for them for our safety and concerning the nuclear capability, you know, we'll never know if they're ready for nuclear bombs, or if they're stored there because the military policy is we don't we neither confirm nor deny, you know, the we've met with the congressional delegations or their staff talk to Peter Welsh. And they say, no, we're never going to have nuclear weapons here. But we really won't know. But it's still, you know, they're that's equipment that can use them. So it does really I'm sure you know, we're dialed in a target. I mean, it's mad really mutually assured destruction. And. It's something we have to deal with and really think whether that's the best thing to do. I mean from our standpoint it isn't. So you think having these sort of cutting edge fighter jets in Vermont, perhaps has the opposite effect of making Vermont, laissez. I would think so first of all, you know, just a local situation putting it in urban area doesn't make sense we have people who have experienced with who have flown bombers in combat and Dino the accidents happen on landing and take-off mostly and in an urban area. You have one of those and you can wipe out a lot of people. There's a school right there. The sound study isn't even done, and they're they're you know, soundproofing the buildings and so on. It just doesn't make sense over the last decade. How this is come to be. Yeah. I mean, you know, we've done Viti digger a lot of reporting on that thirty five and the sound in particular in the environment, and you know, one of sort of unsettling things, I think is the extent to which you know, they're just is a lot of uncertainty. Still, you know, these jets are coming in a matter of months, and sort of you know, how wide, you know, are they going to have to clear out like tracks of communities to make way for this sort of sound. You know, the the sound is booming. It's really loud it makes life, you know, difficult to live in those circumstances. They've got to clear out communities, and they can't really say here's the map showing which communities we're gonna have to move out. And here's where the sounds going to be worse than that sort of thing. And the same goes for weapons, you know, we don't really understand when and where you know, they're going to be equipped and that sort of thing. So, you know, and I I don't think that the delegation in Washington has been terribly helpful and sort of getting these sort of answers, you know, they haven't. We into them saying, please reverse decision. And I think they were all behind getting the f thirty five here. And I think the main reason was jobs. Well, my point is that there are jobs in their jobs. It's it's we we really need to look what subjective here and putting the money into military hardware. Probably that's not going to be very useful. From our standpoint is not the place to put it. So let's reverse that decision is still not too late. We can still do what they can to guard can have some other mission, you know, humanitarian one of some kind it still could be reversed. I think and he said that you know, beyond sort of spending on defense that even if you are going to spend on defense that these sort of, you know, expensive military hardware, as you know, somewhat relevant these days. How do you think defense money would be better spent? Well, I'm I'm I have this campaign. To connect climate, change and military spending and congressional responsibility. We're gonna need all the resources we can garner to face climate change. And we're not really doing anything about it. It's business as usual. You know? I remember World War Two sometimes say one for some reason. I don't know, but too I was alive. I remember the rationing, you know, you've got so much gas. You didn't go to town every day, and we're not doing anything about climate change. And we should you know, face up to it and get on the program, and that's going to take a lot of money, and you know, with with eight hundred US basis around the world, and we're spending like more than the next ten or so countries combined on military spending. It just does not make sense. What are we afraid of? What are we preparing for? And I think we really have to take a look at that. And congress has got to do. They've given away their power, you know, they've even the in after two thousand eleven the there's a public law that gives the president the power to use force against terrorist attacks, and what are we in war in seven countries? Now, we've been in Oran Afghanistan for seventeen years longest war in US history. Something's awry, and we really have to ask our congress to you know, buckle up. Do what we need to do for the people. This is a democracy, and they really need to step up. It's interesting that you talk about sort of, you know, the connection between defense spending climate change also timely here on Earth Day. The second hour of the show is all about sort of what the legislatures doing here. But how do you sort of you know, reorient the military industrial complex to address something? That's you know, sort of outside what you'd think of the realms defense. I mean, I can imagine that you sort of have the military starting to develop electric vehicles or battery storage. I mean, obviously there. Some of the best are indeed branch that our government has. And they outsource a lot of that. Of course. But I mean, I'm just wondering how do you imagine sort of making climate change a defense issue? Well, you know, we have an example after World War Two, we we were horse farm. You know, we didn't have a tractor when I was young. And after the war, the military machine was put into making tractors and you know, things like that. We do the same thing. Now. I mean, we could convert that easily if we put our mind to it. It's just doing it. And part of it is I think there's a lot of money to be made in military. We just have to make the money somewhere else or congress needs to provide those incentives. I mean taxes and so on they're really incentives or disincentives disincentives not to do something or incentives to do something congress ought to see that and with the incentives in right place because we're we're all in danger. With climate change. We know it. I mean, look at the books that are coming out now Bill mckibben others. You know, we're we're at the point where if we don't do something very soon, we're going to have consequences. You know, you talk about this sort of amount of defense spending as a fraction yo something like two-thirds of what we pay per federal taxes going towards defense. It seems you know, huge, you know, in European unnecessary. And I think a lot of people would agree. But you know, I would say that our delegation, Representative wealth, senators, Lahey and Sanders, even Senator Sanders, you know, I think he touches on the issue. But you don't see a lot of prominent politicians being willing to take position and saying that defense spending out of control. I guess I'm wondering why is it seemingly so politically toxic to, you know, basically take this issue on and say, we should be spending some of his money. Elsewhere will you know, it's been set up. So that the congressional districts are are forms that we have military stuff going on all the district. So it's pervasive that they will support these things to keep that going. So we have to take a really good look at congressional district ding. I think that would be have you seen any national politicians? Sort of talking about these issues in the way that you are, you know, I don't keep up on everything. But I I haven't maybe some of our members have. But it's a good question. We we ought to raise the issue keep raising it. That's one of our concerns one of our campaigns to to see the connections here. And how broad is your organization's representation? Are you guys all over the country or what well national is all of the country chapters in every state internationally? We have chapter in Vietnam. We have chapter in England Guam, I think. Yeah. So we're we're pretty well represented. And you have here in Vermont a picnic for peace coming up is that right? Yes. On may eighteenth. I think it is Saturday what you know. We're always so serious. So we thought we'd have a picnic get people conversing meeting each other everyone's invited veterans people of faith organizations come in walk the past. It's a it's a of faith community and Ripken of faith spirit nature is sort of nature walk for all face different face, and you can come and walk in who has be nature. Calm yourself down and talk about how to foster peace. What the time and place again, it's spirit of nature in ripta near near the frost cabin and. And it's Mateen, you know, income just before noon or so we'll have a meeting that morning. You can come and listen to meeting if you want inclement weather, there'll be alternate location nearby. I think mile away we we've been talking a lot about these these military issues seems to be quite an issue sort of spans beyond Vermont. And you know, the issue of f thirty five basing is really something that our congressional delegation has more purview in sort of agency over Dan are probably our our local officials do, but I'm wondering what you and others are doing sort of to push local officials and local legislators to act on these issues. If if you're doing that at all I understand it's a push to sort of pass a resolution to oppose the thirty five basing. I'm wondering, you know, though, to what extent that would actually have any impact considering that the the delegation? In DC is pretty much on board with the basing. Yes. Well, it's HR seven that was introduced I think on Thursday, and it'll be introduced into the Senate to and it's a good question. You know, what impact will it have? And I think one of the biggest things we can do is raise awareness. I mean, we are so busy and distracted that, you know, we're not aware of some of the things that are going on, you know, it's off our radar. So the least it can do is raise some awareness, whether it can be reversed and the mission change. Well, let's talk about it. Let's see what's possible. Let's let's reduce the dangers. If we can you know, those f thirty five's can come very quickly somewhere else. And if they're nuclear capable and not bombs here. You know, it's not going to be very smart to have the bomb somewhere else. You got to go and pick them up, and then blow them and then go off and do your thing. Just doesn't make sense. So. I'm hoping that we can change course by raising awareness, and what sort of reception has your your organization in its efforts to push lawmakers to oppose the basing what kind of reception is that received up onto the the meeting in Waterbury where the introduced that they were about thirty people. They're very very interested. And they're in didn't wasn't to the Burlington. But I think that was well attended also. And we'll see I mean, there's more meetings coming up, but I think it pays to keep bringing the issue up. Thanks. We're going to shift the conversation here to what's going on around the world. You know, I was just mentioning how you know so much going on with Muller report. And, you know, Trump at home that I think, you know, a lot of times the sort of attention that we should be paying to what's going on with America's relations with, you know, our allies and enemies, you know, is is largely overlooked, and, you know, something that you're really concerned about is rising tensions with Iran. Just well, we have a commercial break there. I got a notification on my smartphone here saying that the Trump administration is going to threatening to ramp up sanctions on allies that are continuing to buy oil from Iran. And of course, more significant news recently is that the US has designated Iran's revolutionary guard as a terrorist group, which is pretty remarkable, as, you know, considering that's essentially their government, you know, so sort of calling one of our enemies at terrorist organization, which has no precedent. And tell us more about sort of wire so worried about this. Well, twelve add. Sanctions we talked about that we were on the phone to Matt dust Sanders. Foreign policy adviser while go last week, and we talked about sanctions and sanctions general sanctions don't make sense. But putting sanctions on people who are are dictators or the moving movers and shakers is a good idea because it affects them, but you put sanctions generally, it just impacts the population of people. So you have you full meant disorder, and you know, really what we should be doing is live and let live unless we're threatened some way. But house around Trenton us, are they really Hauer this power. You know, the terrorists way off in the country. We have a homeland security with, you know, thousands and thousands of employees and billions of dollars budget. And we're. Not safe. I mean, so we really need to to look at that. And. The Trump administration's not the first, you know, to say that Iran is, you know, a major threat to the US, I think that was the sort of premise on which the nuclear talks under the Obama administration were happening under is that if they didn't sort of step in and do something, you know, that the Iran threat would become, you know, a greater in, you know, immediate I suppose, and you said, you know, you're not sure the extent to which you know, Iran is sort of you know, that you sanctioned countries that are media threat. I I guess I'm wondering do you think that this sort of Iran threat is overblown? Do you think that the US is sort of create basically that, you know, in its efforts to sort of thwart the threat is actually increasing that threat, I think so look at the history back what several decades ago, Iran and Iraq were at war in the US helped one side. And then the other does that make sense? I mean, I don't know the full story. But you know, there's got to be a lot of manipulate. Action there. And so I would ask congress to really look at this look at, you know, get hit the top secret stuff and look at it and see what's going on. I mean when I was in the nuclear program, you know, when a mistake was made and people didn't want it to get out stamp it classified. So there's a lot of stuff, we don't know. And I think congress needs to know this there are representatives and representing us, and they really need to look into it. I know Senator Sanders, you know, has taken a leading role in trying to get the US out of Yemen. A big support her Saudi Arabia's fight in Yemen. I don't know that I've heard as much particularly from Sanders about Iran. What is our delegation here in Vermont? You know, what have you heard from them about this on Iran? Yeah. Well, we haven't talked to them specifically on Iran. The only thing I did was I was in conversation with. Met dust from Sander's office about Venezuela. So we really haven't talked with. But with the with we hope this is a national effort for veterans repeats. We will be trying to get to them in our the way we do it. As we read a letter say we would like to meet with you and discuss these issues Lahey and Welsh got back to us fairly quickly. We still haven't had a meeting with Sanders on the thirty five shoes we brought up piece probably very busy. So indeed hurt he's running for for offense. And then Senator he is, you know, he's a senior appropriations guy, you know, has a big role in sort of deciding how much to spend on defense. Have you ever heard anything from him that makes you think that he's having sort of thinking critically about how much the United States is spending on? I don't know. But I've heard that the Pentagon, you know, proposes the budget, and congress gives them more doesn't make sense. I mean, we should really be looking at what's -ffective. So I don't know, you know, I haven't talked to haven't had a heart to heart conversation with Senator Lahey might be very good. But and if anyone can do that and look into it, you know, please do. Great. Well, thank you so much Richard chip linski of veterans for peace for joining us here on the day Graham, Shawn W Devi glad to be here. Thank you. And coming up in the next hour. We've got two leading climate defenders in the state house selene Coburn of Burlington, and Sarah Copeland hands is the chair of the house government operations committee. They're going to talk to us about some of their climate priorities as well as some of the other things they're working on in legislature. Stick with us here on the day Bramshaw WD. Giant tensile? So successful last year. We're doing it. Again. Fifty to seventy five percent off last season's summer and winter clothing Saturday and Sunday, April twenty seven and twenty eight from nine to six party dresses from Alana Catan, I'll last Tango and Liotta sportswear from chools Jag. Towed? Royal Robbins, Hobo bags and jewelry. Come for lunch on the deck and treat yourself to some great stuff at ridiculous prices worth a trip to the beautiful mad river valley. Almost world-famous warned store, fun, hunky and friendly. Good morning. You're listening to the Dave Ramsey show. This is Andrew Landon reporter at Vermont digger here with my editor, Colin mine. Also, Vermont digger we are going to be talking for the next hour about climate change policy in Vermont, it is Earth Day after all and last year. There was a slew of new research coming out showing that if folks don't ex soon if government's don't act soon, we could see the impacts of climate change coming sooner than we may have thought previously. We are joined on the line right now by Selena Coburn Representative from Burlington, and we invited her to come on the show to talk about what I deal she would like to see Vermont due to enact policies to to fight against climate change. She was the only member of the house of representatives from who voted against the budget, which passed last month and cited reasons the. Reasons for which she voted against the budget. She said we're because it did not include enough to fight against climate change at this time when we're seeing a lot of pressure for Democrats, progressives and Republicans to do something about the issue Selena. Thanks so much for joining us. So the first question I have for you is what alternately did did you want to see in the house budget that wasn't there to address climate change? If you could. Change the budget. What what provisions would would it include what funding would include that that wasn't there? Well, of course, if I could wave a magic wand, I would like to see us thinking much more strategically about how to make investments in climate action meaningful climate action, and that takes the courage to I think raise some revenue and have some conversations about how to do that in ways that best benefit working, Vermont IRS rolling cover monitors and and rural Vermont, which which we know from a bunch of studies. We've commissioned in the legislature this past year can be done. But that's so so that's a big ask. Right. Like, we need to I think very forcefully and strategically start to think about a really different scale of action and investment, and that will take some hard conversations, some hard work. But I think really for starters just in this year's house budget. I would. Have loved to have seen us go beyond the governor's electric vehicle incentive, you know, program especially given that we had a lot of Volkswagen settlement money come into the state. So we, you know, we funded one point five million dollars in investments, which is certainly certainly not nothing. But it gets us maybe two to three hundred more cars on the road electric vehicles on the road. And we know we need to be getting about eight thousand vehicles a year on the road to meet our statutory in comprehensive energy plan goals into really make a difference. So that's that's one easy. Ask is go above and beyond the governor's proposal, which I think was pretty weak, frankly. So the way I see it there were sort of two major initiatives funded in the house budget to address climate change one is the one that you just brought up subsidies to sort of encourage folks to. Purchase and use electronic vehicles. There were millions of dollars for that. And and also for the state to to purchase more electronic for its own fleet. The other thing was the fuel tax doubling the fuel tax to raise. I think it was about five million dollars an additional funding for low income home weatherization, which obviously would reduce carbon emissions by increasing efficiency in in the homes and the use of fuel. So, you know, a lot of Democrats defend what's what's in the budget for climate change and say, look, we are making investments here will you disagree to as you'd like to see more money on the table for electric electric electric vehicle investment, is is it simply that you wanna see more money for these things or are there. Additional initiatives like a carbon tax or something else. Policy wise that you want to see on the table to sort of underlying the state's commitment. To fight climate change. So I think you you are exactly right. That people are right to defend the priorities of whether as Asian and electric vehicles are easy incentive in the state on the, and I think what we're not getting right is the scale of what we need to be doing to really make change, especially after you know, learning that our transportation emissions are actually going up in the state. So yes, I think that takes conversation around what kind of revenue or what kind of partnerships where willing to enact to move things forward. I I'm a supporter and have been a sponsor of some bills around carbon pricing. And I really believe that it is possible to do that. And we had experts, you know, calm and and study all kinds of carbon pricing models and tell us that it's very much possible to do that. In a way that puts money actually back in the pockets of low income, Vermont IRS and back in the pockets, potentially rural Vermont as if we do it right to to actually make up people better off to to be able to make the transitions they need around transportation and around around home heating, but if those bills stay on the wall, we can never have conversation to explore the ways the ways in which it's actually possible to do that like the committee. The committee process is a good process right to be able to take bills off the wall really dig an roll up your sleeves figure out. Well, how could we put a price on carbon Vermont that raises some of the money we need to make these investments, but does it in a way that benefits working Vermont IRS and actually a plus for working monitors as possible to do it. But if we're. If we're to frayed to talk about it. We can't figure out how to do that. So democratic leadership basically wrote off the idea of contemplating a carbon tax this year from the very beginning. And in interviews with the press, they basically said, you know. Raise concerns about the regressive -ly of carbon taxing that that it would basically bird in low income Vermont and rural areas, and you know, the question is how do you really institute carbon tax in a place like for Mont where you have almost no public transportation at all people living sort of far away from typically live in rural areas far away from where their where they work and so their commutes involved driving. You know, you know, fuel powered vehicles. How how do you envision a carbon tax working in a place like Vermont where you have at this point almost no alternative form of transportation and concerns that that it would really burden low income folks delay you do that is by taking some of the money that's raised in putting it directly back in the pockets of low income people, and you know, we had resources for future, which is a consulting firm came and looked at a number of carbon pricing models, including what's sometimes known as Essex plan, a model that we had proposed last year and have actually revised reintroduced it this year with some some adjustments based on that plan and one of the things that that plant does is it it creates an or for well income Vermont as it creates. Adder for rural Vermont and the study of that show that particularly low income Vermont IRS, and we've now adjusted the plan for to make sure that's true for rural Vermont to can actually come out ahead. I mean, they're come out with more more money in their pockets. Then the then businesses usual under under that particular carbon pricing plan. So I think the devil is in the details. Which is why I'm saying we should actually be having meaningful conversations about how to do this carbon pricing is not the only way to raise revenue. So if that's truly off the table, then I think we need to be thinking about okay, then how how are we going to do this on the scale that our own goals their own statutory goals? Demand of us. So, you know, another Bill that sir copen Hondas, and I and others introduce is something we're calling the global warming solutions act, and that would really require us to come up with a plan a measurable plan. That we are then accountable for for actually meeting the goals that we've set institute. So so, you know, that's the thing that's challenging about this conversation is no, but nobody is arguing that we do anything. But but what we've already promised where going to do and supposed to be doing. So this Bill would actually hold us to that hold the agency of natural resources and others responsible for coming up with a plan. And ultimately give citizens a right of action. If the state is not reaching those goals. Talking to Selina Coburn Representative from Burlington here on the Dave Graham show. I'm calling mine filling in for Dave along with Zander Landon. If you want to join the conversation about climate change solutions call into eight oh, two two four four one seven seven seven or toll free one eight seven seven to nine one eight two five five Selena. I was wondering, you know, coming into the session. I think there is a huge amount of optimism among you know, environmental advocates as well. As a lot of other sort of groups that find themselves aligned with progressives. And Democrats, you know, you're part of the progressives have been very outspoken in support of some of these, you know, very significant sort of steps towards climate change action. You know, carbon-tax this global warming solutions act, you know, increasing investment in EV's and home weatherization, this sort of thing. I guess I'm wondering do you feel sense of disappointment in any of your colleagues, it sort of the extent to which they're willing? Going to take sort of major steps, you know in the directions that you'd like to see them going. Not going to point fingers that any of my my colleague specifically because it is you know, change is really hard and change on this scale is really hard. But yes, I I feel huge sense of disappointment. I have you know, two daughters who are twelve and fourteen and I'm interacting, you know, daily weekly monthly with with young people who are coming to the state house and begging us to take action on climate, and and n even greater numbers. Then then you showed up an asset to take action on gun violence prevention measures last year. And we did you know, we were moved by that. And for some reason, we're not being moved by this. And it's heartbreaking because we're talking about handing this generation very real possibility of just human extinction. You know? They're also these reports that came out of the UN and elsewhere that seem to sort of, you know, say you have about twelve years to act on the national stays green new deal seems to have gotten quite a bit of momentum. How do you explain the sort of? I don't know if it's reticence or, you know, why why don't you think this challenge is being embraced in a more sort of vigorous way in the state house. Is a great question and to be perfectly Frank. It's a question. I have. But I will also say where small shea with a small tax base, which makes thinking creatively about how to make bigger investments even bigger investments like in whether they should that we know pay for themselves very quickly challenging so I I understand that fully. And I also, you know, I know a lot of people, including a lot of environmental advocates worked really hard to get a super majority of Democrats and progressives in the state house this year, and it seems to me like agree time to to use it right like heading into twenty twenty a presidential election year with in the state that usually returns the fastest for the democrat. Attic prisoner she'll nominee. I think I think. I'd love to see us do more and be a little bolder maybe next year. Could you tell us about your proposal would de-criminalized buprenorphine buprenorphine is a prescription drug used to treat opioid withdrawals. Most commonly sold over the counter, I believe is sevaks in. What what why are you pitching this this year? And do you think it has legs in the last month of the session? Do you think that we're we're likely to see it passed the house? Buprenorphine as you mentioned it's used to treat opioid with roles but also opioid use disorder. So it can be a long-term medication assisted treatment for for people in recovery or trying to move into recovery and one of the findings and a lot of clinical period. Literature is that the vast majority of people who are using peeping orphan without a prescription essentially illegally are self medicating in some way, they're trying to avoid withdrawal or trying to avoid a more dangerous substance like heroin or Fenton, all which we know is is really really deadly. And and also there were findings that show that people who use non prescribed beeping offering and then get into treatment actually, have better outcomes. So it's it it's a safer alternative for people in the middle of deadly fence. Final crisis. And it seems to be something that's a pathway to treatment. And so my proposal is to decriminalize misdemeanor, possession amounts of this substance. And just send the message that we want people to turn that choose that safer alternative, and there were not gonna punish them for trying to take care of themselves. So this this Bill is passed out of your committee. It's now when another house committee, it's faced some resistance from folks, including the Scott administration, as you know, the health Commissioner last month, basically said that we don't need this proposal at a time when we have very very good substance abuse disorder treatment available in the state. There are no wait lists, essentially, if someone wants this substance they can get it by going into any treatment facility. And basically, you know, if they're if they're. Showing signs of opioid use disorder. Get get a prescription legal prescription. That's just one criticism of of the legislation. But you know, taking that into account. Do you think that that that we're actually going to see this this legislation pass the house this year, or do you think it's it's stuck? I hope it cannot stuck. I think that the pity human services committee. So I can't speak speak to them. I think it's back on their agenda this week. I think they're thinking perhaps about some further amendments to the Bill that would really carve out what what might feel like the most reasonable possession amount to to decriminalize. But I I sure hope it's not stuck. I mean, it's sort of outrageous to I was actually in the human services committee and heard the Commissioner's testimony in which he said that in any other state, but Vermont is policy would be a slam dunk, and it's outrageous to claim victory one we've had just seen for the third or fourth year in a row, you know, the the highest. Number of fatal overdoses in the state. We also know by the health department's own estimation that well about eight thousand people are receiving or have received treatment for opioid use disorders through the excellent programs that they've created there's, you know, at least twice that many people twenty thousand or more people estimate they estimate are actively experiencing addiction without accessing treatment. And there's a study on the health department's own website by Dr Rick Russin that sites number of reasons obstacles for people accessing the system that we've set up anything from transportation to stigma to, you know, not wanting to lose employment to have to do the daily dosing to a lack of spoke providers in and on and on. And so, you know, declaring victory in Vermont. We'll saying this make sense. Everywhere else. I think is is actually pretty irresponsible given the realities of what's happening here. Talking with Selena Coburn. A Representative from Burlington previously served on the Burlington city council. We've only got a few minutes left, and we're going to give a least one of them here to j t from Newbury who's calling in T what's going on. Hi, thanks for giving me a moment. I appreciate you guys. Having this discussion I wanted to speak to something that I refer to as sort of a false urgency in regards to a lot of these bills that are being pushed in what we refer to as carbon tax schemes different ways that that the cost of living will be raised as a result of taking steps. So one recent Bill that was forward with h five three one the weatherization Bill. So what's interesting is about twenty four twenty five bills on the table. That are out there on the table in committee out of committee being presented to committee, ending authored that all have an angle on raising money to fight carbon change carbon climate change. So one interesting pieces if it's. All of these different meetings that they've been having at the state house all their successful meetings haven't had any opposition. So they've been inviting folks from VN are C V purred, all these different lobby groups. But one thing that happened been presented his both sides of the issue. There's certainly another side, I know that the no carbon tax groups here in Vermont has a plan to deal with climate change. We believe climate change is real. It's always changed. And we believe that it has accelerated recently due to greenhouse gas. But we're also aware that we're point zero one percent of the overall countries greenhouse gas emissions. This is the false sense of emergency of urgency. We cannot do anything to turn this back. Do you have a question JT, or are you just? Yeah. Well, I Weiner end am I understand that Copeland as well? Circle. Right now. She's coming on the next half hour or Representative rather. Okay. So my question is given that that Vermont is point zero one percent of the overall greenhouse gas emissions in the United States where where should we find this sense of urgency to tax ourselves and create different avenues of what I refer to his taxation schemes, but raising the cost of living so that we can fights Cubbon dockside climate change thing. Thanks AT. We've got a minute thirty seconds left to go and have a crack at that's Lena. Well, I would say if every state just waits for another state act. We're just in a ridiculous game of chicken and Remond cares about this issue. And Vermont can be a leader on this issue for for children and for the rest of the the country and model the way to move forward. And to the question of, you know, I I'd be very interested in hearing the scheme that JT and others have to address climate change, and hopefully they can find a legislator to work with. And and help move that forward and believe me, we hear plenty from the opposition in in the Vegas that we have in the state house. We we work very hard to include all representatives Coburn. We really appreciate you coming on climate change and friend legalization good luck with everything the next few weeks. Says the legislature draws to a close. Thank you. We're back with Sarah Copeland hands us here on the Dave Ramsey show. WD EV stick around. Giant tensile? So successful last year. We're doing it. Again, fifty to seventy five percent off last season summer and winter clothing Saturday and Sunday, April twenty seven and twenty eight from nine to six party dresses from Alana Catan, I'll last Tango and Liotta sportswear from chills. Jag towed. Royal Robbins, Hobo bags and jewelry. Come for lunch on the deck and treat yourself to some great stuff at ridiculous prices worth a trip to the beautiful mad river valley almost world-famous Warren store, fun, hunky and friendly. It's the day Bram show. Be a part of the show by calling locally a two four four one seven seven seven or toll free at one eight seven seven to nine one eight two five five now back today. WD FM and AM. Good morning, Vermont. Welcome to the home stretch of the David Graham show here. We are fortunate to be joined by Representative Sarah Copeland hands us. She's democrat is the head of the house government operations committee. We're gonna talk in a little bit. We're gonna continue our Earth Day themed conversation about climate change. But first we wanted to talk about and issue that's been in Representative Copeland Honda's committee for a few weeks. Now, it's a tax and regulate system for marijuana in Vermont and Zander. This is something you've been keeping an eye on throughout the session, yet sure has an last week. We got some news from the governor that essentially saying him saying that he's not going to support a tax and regulate measure unless the legislature also moves to legalise saliva testing. Now, the House Judiciary committee is looking. At. Whether or not they're going to be recommending saliva testing to accompany the tax and regulate proposal, but Sarah just wanted to ask you sort of where you stand on on saliva testing. Whether that's something that you'd be willing to support in order to get a tax regulate Bill over the finish line this year. I would be very happy to talk about that. We've share in the governor's concerns with respect to highway safety. And we definitely wanna make sure that. That folks are not driving impaired. Vermont already has some of the strictest driving impairment laws. We have a zero tolerance for impairment. So the issue around saliva test is is really kind of weedy, and and filled with legal pitfalls because saliva can tell saliva tests can tell you whether the person is has used marijuana at any point in the last two weeks up to two weeks. But it cannot tell you whether somebody is impaired by cannabis. And so we just wanna make sure that as we move forward with strengthening our roadside safety laws and procedures that were using that test appropriately. So I think that the house is pursuing a concept around. Trying to make sure that we can get a warrant at the roadside that there is caused to suspect that the person who's driving might be impaired by cannabis and that that impairment right now is is most effectively done by drug recognition experts, and these are specially trained police officers who who run through a checklist of of roadside evaluations to try to distinguish whether the impairment is because somebody was leaping or distracted by tuning their car stereo, or whether they might be impaired by alcohol or cannabis or or even you know legal prescription drugs impairment is impairment. So we're working on seeing if we can do a saliva test as a piece of evidence when somebody is has already been determined to be impaired. But I think that our, you know, our best bet at roadside safety is going to be to beef up the number of the that we have on our roadsides right now, we have around fifty DRA's in the state, and that might sound like a lot. But if you're thinking about trying to do twenty four hour coverage on all of Vermont roads to evaluate impaired drivers, we could definitely use more dairies. And so I think that the canvas revenue should should go towards funding. More dairies. We also have a component of one of the transportation bills is here that that allows an EMT to to come and do a blood draw roadside which really speeds up the the pace at which an impaired driver can be evaluated and a blood test is much more accurate than saliva. So we're going to continue to work through it. We agree. That roadside safety is important. And so that that's one of the areas that we're continuing to work on just sort of close the loop on that does sound like you're leaning toward supporting saliva testing. And paving the way for law enforcement to us that if we move forward with legalizing cannabis sales. Yeah, if we can find a way to use it appropriately. So that it's not being used as a snare. Okay. If you are I got pulled over because we were, you know, really tired after a long day of work, and the police officer didn't feel like calling a Deary and had a saliva strip in his or her back pocket you or I could be you know, could could be considered to be impaired with cannabis even you know, if the assumption is that that spit test is being used to to judge impairment, then that's an improper use of it because it can't test that it's it's only testing whether you've used it in the last two weeks. So we certainly don't want somebody who you know, maybe recreationally using cannabis on on the weekend to to get snared in a roadside stop. Talking to Sarah Copeland hand as the Representative who's the head of the house government operations committee. We're talking about setting up a tax regulated system for marijuana. And what's become one of the more prickly issues in that Bill, which is about whether or not to allow roadside saliva testing. If you want to join the conversation, the number is one eight seven seven to nine one eight two five five that's one eight seven seven to nine one talk. Also, if you miss part of our program today, we've been here for an hour and a half. It's been fantastic. You can check it out on W W, Devi radio dot com. The Dave Graham show has a podcast gets updated. By the end of the day every day, and you can hear the whole conversation Representative Cullen on this. I I was wondering what do you think is basically are the prospects of this Bill, you know, of Vermont, basically moving towards attacks and regulated system and this Bill passing this session our colleague over. Seven days. John Walters did a bit of fortune telling in his column last week. And I think he said that the outlook is not looking good this year. I guess I'm wondering whether or not you share that prediction, and sort of what you see happening here in the next few weeks. Of landscape within the house. And and that's really the only the only part of this that I can speak with any clarity on. I think that I think there were working towards a Bill that a majority of house members can support. And I think members of the house agree that the the landscape that we have right now with respect to cannabis is is kind of awkward, we have, you know, it's legal to possess. It's legal to to consume. But there's no safe and legal way to to acquire cannabis unless you are willing and able to grow it yourself. And so think the majority of monitors agree that we should move towards tax and regulate system both for consumer protection. But also in order to get some revenue from from the transactions that we know are already happening out there. There is illegal sale of. Cannabis happening every day in Vermont and some of that revenue could be used to to do some public health outreach. We'd like to dedicate a chunk of it to youth prevention activities, and as I said before towards beefing up our roadside safety by deploying more dairies. Majority of house members that you guys will get this Bill to a point where majority of house members can support it, which of course, is enough to move the Bill into law, if the governor signs it, you know, if the governor vetoes, of course, that would require a two-thirds majority image might be tougher climb. So I guess I'm wondering, do you think the governor support is necessary here for tax and regulate system to become law? This year. Well, we're certainly engaging with members of the administration to hear their perspective on what they would like to see in this Bill. I mean, we we all live in Vermont. We all love Vermont. We all want for months to be safe and healthy. And so we're engaging with the governor believe we can get to the place where where we find something that that we can all agree on. So we're going to shift the conversation back to climate change here on Earth Day on WD evey. But first, we're going to take a caller Rick from east on pillar. What's going on? Yeah. I just want to. You know, try to just the urgency of. Doing some of the legislative stuff pick can help mitigate the effects of climate change. Now granted there was a caller on near the end of that saying that, you know, we're we're just a small bit of what computers the climate change. And that is absolutely true. I think that thing where it's important for us to do what we can. Is because we are skate in many instances has pushed the rest of the country forward. I mean, look at our implementation civil unions to. To you know came Near Net. Certainly nobody would say that. Came to an end because of that a good thing. Take a look at the IPC report came out back. You know, we have a very short time to really begin to turn things around before. We're running into very devastating consequences of not addressing climate this up. Do you have a question for Representative Copenhagens's, Rick? Well, I guess my question is. What what you see we can do to move the m- the most pieces of legislation that will at least begin to do something. I the one that comes to my mind right off is no move fossil fuels infrastructure Bill, and that requiring money it also makes a statement. We state are not going to tolerate anymore that fossil fuel infrastructure because we gotta get away from that. So anyway, Rick, thanks so much that makes a smooth transition for us from tax regulate marijuana to climate change. We have Representative Sarah Copeland Hans on the line. And we're gonna get into what Rick was talking about their fossil fuel infrastructure other efforts to defend Vermont against climate change be part of climate change solutions, the fossil fuel infrastructure ban, something that was certainly being discussed a lot a couple of weeks ago. What do you think about legislation, and where do you think it's going in the state house? Well, Rick is right. When he says that this is a no cost way of making a statement that we no longer want to invest in in fossil fuels, and that we should be instead investing in cleaner energy, and if oaks want to engage in that process there is a public hearing tomorrow night Tuesday night up from five to seven in room eleven at the state house in pillar and the. Committee's will be considering the the structure of some bills that propose bans or moratoriums on fossil fuel infrastructure. So would welcome people who are passionate about climate to engage in that process. This is being discussed the we had an article in BT digger on, you know, the representatives natural gas companies in the state, and they're essentially saying that natural gas is better than some of the other fossil fuels and that a ban on all fossil fuel infrastructure, including natural gas would prevent some of their efforts to do things like biodiesel, you know, taking farm waste and turning it into energy. And you know, I guess I'm wondering do you think you know, personally that this is a positive solution for? I do think that we should at least have a moratorium on fossil fuel infrastructure. Look if the natural gas companies are ready to roll out and start piping biodiesel to to Vermont homes, then great then we can talk about what infrastructure is needed to do that. But for right now, if we are investing in energy, we should be investing in electrification that is a process that is already well underway in Vermont. We've got folks getting solar panels on their homes power wall to to be a battery backup for their home. We've got folks who are, you know, switching over from maybe oil heating to a cold climate heat pump, which is a very efficient way not only to heat your home, but to air condition it as well, which increasingly think we all are recognizing that those longer heatwaves in the summer. Are pretty uncomfortable. So when you're switching out your heating system. Try a cemetery pump. But those are the kinds of investments that we should be making because the that technology is cleaner, and it's also less expensive to operate over the lifetime. You you've sponsored a Bill that was mentioned by Representative Coburn in the last half hour called the global warming solutions act, and you know, this is something that has been considered another places, you know, the ideas that you sort of take some of the goals that Vermont, you know, policy makers have at least paid lip service to and you sort of put together, you know, a legislative infrastructure that would force government agencies to follow through on some of these goals. Can you talk a bit about sort of how that would work? So so you're right about this idea of putting goals into statute, the goals of historically have been supported by both Republican and democratic administrations starting with Jim Douglas, and and right through to our current governor who joined the US climate alliance after President Trump pulled us out of the Paris accord, we all agree in concept that we should be meeting these greenhouse gas reduction goals, but the problem is this is a really big and challenging proposition two to accelerate the pace at which Vermonter 's adopt new new technologies for heating, and for transportation, and you touched on this a little bit with Representative Coburn just about how how enormous the the challenges. And I think she was lamenting that she'd like to see more engagement in the. Mitty process to to really get Vermont thinking about this. And and really kicking the tires on all sorts of ideas. The global warming solutions act has been used in other states, and it has it has really demanded that you know, that the executive branch and the legislative branch sit down together and figure out real world solution and right now what we have is. We have the ability to kind of stand back and say, oh, that's too hard. You know, I think we should be demanding more of ourselves in terms of sitting down. And and really figuring out how to make the change. What is the sort of mechanism in this Bill that would actually force the agencies and legislators hand, I mean, what if the Bill was passed, and they just continued sort of on this road of slow implementation. Open up the possibility at at some future date for a private right of action against against state government to demand action on greenhouse gas. Reductions I think realistically, you know, nobody wants the state to be sued. So I think realistically what it would mean is that the agency of natural resources would would staff up and and have a team of folks starting to work on different investments in order to accelerate. Our transition away from fossil fuels. Have you heard from the administration as far as their openness to this idea of citizen action against agencies that aren't sort of performing up to standards? I am not in the energy and technology committee on a day-to-day basis. I would have to predict that that the Scott administration is not super keen on on this idea. Like, I said nobody wants to invite a suit against the government. But. Vermont is no that we need to take action and Vermont as of all stripes are are feeling the the burden of highly volatile fossil fuel price market, and we don't have any control over that. And so I think that when push comes to shove, Vermont monitors are willing to roll their sleeves up and and dig in and figure out how to make some changes and. So I'm hoping that we're moving in that direction. We're gonna take coal now Ernest from Plainfield you're on the air. Do you have a question for Representative Copeland Honda's wondering in Vermont, what does the impact of something like a Burlington international airport on your quality? Sarah. Do you have a sense of that? Well, I don't really have a sense of that I know that the agency of natural resources tracks air quality. And of course, that is the the the only place within the state where we have a high number of jets taking off and landing. So I would assume that there is a measurable impact in that locality. But I can't honestly say that I know what it is. What the impact of one jet and say is it comparable to a thousand cars two thousand cars or something like that. It'd be interesting to find that out. I have some climate passionate colleagues in the legislature who simply refused to travel by air because they believe that the impact is too great to skiers anyway, thanks Ernest. Thank you so much for your call. We're going to go to another caller Paul from Moncton. Paul diva question for the Representative do and I know of time. So I'll be quick. Hey, I understand that most of you doing legislation based upon particular what running into the future. But my challenge the Representative is this. I'd like you to go and show me at one time in the last thirty forty years, the PC has made a prediction that is actually accurate. I'll let you a little secret no predictions ever majors. Inaccurate within wrong every time. But if you can find let me know, and I'll check the office or make a phone call to you get the state to find out what's come up with. Call. Thank you for your call, Sarah to what extent do you think that the urgency were spilling in the state house? Among among Democrats to do something about climate change is being driven by that research. I don't I I mean, I think that we're looking at that as one data point. But we have known for decades that that climate change is happening. We know that you know, some ninety five to ninety eight percent of scientists agreed that the climate is changing and the the cause of it is is human. And so, you know, looking at one data point is probably not is not, you know, the be all end all that makes us passionate about getting some progress. Honestly, my chief concern, and the reason why I'm continuing to push for conversations about all manner of climate solutions is because once we have another tropical storm Irene we will be spending all of our money cleaning up, and we will no longer have money to invest in helping head this off. The music suggests that's gonna wrath of our conversation with Representative Sarah Copeland Honda's. Thanks so much for joining us. Thank you. 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004: Exploring the evolution of digital insights

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004: Exploring the evolution of digital insights

"This is real dog. Customer insights show would gin vogel jen in her guests. Your valuable information to help you understand your customers better available. Wherever you listen to podcasts. You can also ask alexa to play real. This episode is presented to you by box popped the leader in video service years. Today's episode this episode is a rebroadcast of a discussion that was previously published by. Vox pop me dot com. We think you'll enjoy this content here as well before we get into the meat of the conversation. i'll just let y'all introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about what insights transformation and agility means to you so laurie. Why don't we start radio. hi there. Everybody i'm laurie. Herman i worked for mondelez international. I've been with the company bit over seven years. I've been in the industry for a very long time though. I lead white space insights in analytics at. Monday's it's newer role and this is now year. Two of Leading this team where we're looking for growth opportunities for monday's both inorganic and organic opportunities. That help us extends beyond the categories in which we currently compete a part of the role or the responsibility is looking for potential in spencer offered or sorry acquisitions so we spent a lot of time studying different brands more entrepreneurial entrepreneurial brandy even and i'm seeing a lot of companies get some market much more quickly than a bigger company like mongolia's gets to market with new products and so it really inspired me to wanna do things with jilay get are you know. Brilliant ideas into consumer's hands before we get to market by smaller companies. So that's a little bit about why i think agility is really important and the way we use consumer insights has to go along with that rapid pace of getting the learning and applying it so that we can get to market quickly. Awesome michelle i everyone. I'm michelle gives with moore's My actual title is insights transformation on even though i have literally in my title so my favorite were in the world because the word transformation assumes starting end and i think it's actually an incites evolution. Been going on for the last several years to some degree i think. The industry has been evolving kicking and screaming and onset of covid. it's forced acceleration and Acceleration of research technology has allowed us to be able to do things in a different way that allows us to be more agile and allows us to get in competitive insights faster so i think the transformation is really just an acceleration of what's been around for years and years also last but not least ma am atlanta bt of strategy insights in planning that perfect snacks have been with the company for five years and now fortunately have been with part of part of mandalay's for a year. We were a strategic acquisition for them last year. At this time when i when i can give out a a transformation from entrepreneurial company the idea is is how can you be scrappy while understanding what your business objective is and what questions most what's the scrappy. Sway can answer those questions. I think it's went to. Shell said holmes really really solving really good at these days. Awesome all right calm over going gonna jump right in Really excited to have these kind of different different viewpoints on the line. today Especially you know your your role in a in a company that you know innately more agile than some of the larger companies out there. I think you know that there's a lot we can learn from you so really excited to divan will kick off kind of you know why is agility and insights transformation or insights evolution as he. Same show Why is that important. Like what are the goals our objectives in that shift. And i'll let you guys start. Whoever wants to kick off. Just jump right in kickoff off. So i one of my favorite things to save us to be maybe templates years ago to have skill to be a large company. You have a competitive advantage because you had access to data and insights at smaller companies. Didn't have the not true really today anymore today. Pretty much anybody. And i'm sure matt we'll talk to. This can have similar mandating insights and oftentimes smaller companies move faster and bigger companies can so if a big company like monalisa. Mars wants to be successful in the learn to be able to move quickly because now it's not. Who has the insights into either. Work does something with the fastest or connects to docks together. That people didn't see In moves on that disconnected insider. That unique insight. The fastest for a few agree with that or not. Yeah yeah i do. I think companies like perfect. We have to be fast. And we can't afford to grow up the the rate we wanted row if we're stretching our timelines out with with innovation say or message testing over a two year period. We've got to be a lot faster than that and be able to hit it just as quickly. Yeah exactly as. I was alluding to earlier. You know when you see your ideas coming to market by other companies that you know may that just beat you to mark but you as the leader in snacking or a snacking category leader. It's just you know. The goal is to be able to continue to to delight our consumers with the products that are addressing. Their unmet needs or their under met needs and You know providing them with the The confidence that these products are gonna deliver. And so i think that for us. It's really necessary critical for us to employ more agile behaviors. So that we can you know. Further establish her snacking leadership. Yeah for sure and you've talked about like shortening your innovation lifecycles and be the need to get to market faster And i think When we first talked you mentioned you know shortening timeline from three years down to one year. That's a massive change right like how to Like an i guess. It's sort of may be redundant questions they. Why is that important. But you know maybe it's self explanatory but maybe you wanna talk about that a little more. Yeah exactly there's a lot of processes and protocols and i've always worked for a large organization in my career and You know. I think they're all really important steps to consider. But there are certain situations where the risk of getting to market more quickly or asking some steps in the process or using alternative wool that be as robust or You know gold standard. It's still can get us to where we need to be. You know without taking on a great deal of risk. So i think you know in. That's the only way that you can get to market more quickly as if you modify your approaches and really reconsider all of the steps that you might normally take and identify absolately critical. What is you know you're never going to Not get consumer feedback along the way but maybe you get some consumer feedback more rapidly or in a more creative way For sure yeah. You've talked a little bit about that too. Like sort of the trade offs and the risks. Yeah yeah i mean once once you have your your business business objective in kind of the the consumer insight job to be done. But you're going after. I think that's where all of a sudden you can start really understanding what the puts takes are of of your path forward to answer those questions develop product and you can start understand what risks you're willing to take in where you're not willing to take risks and that that lets you find the find ways to save time with for sure. Yeah and i think one of the other things too. I mean we talk a lot about like launching something new or bring something new to market more quickly But then one of the other advantages to being agile is is being able to kind of course correct when things. Don't go quite as planned. And when you need some new insight you need to make a change in the moment being able to react very quickly versus you know just having something fail because you don't have the time to really invest in it So i know that was. That was one of the other things we talked about any any other comments. Not yeah you're you're not going to get everything right time examples we we've had products where we've been Can we we won last pressure check. And you don't necessarily have the resources you need to go through the standard processes of research but but you can get to good enough things like we've got retail partners and at the store level. That can help us get him to the store and capture equipped consumer feedback and being agile. We understand that we can take that feedback quickly. Pivoted and by the time in a second account is coming to market say a new packaging can be flowing through on the shelf. We've able we've been able to course correct. Nearly instantly versus a long drawn out time might put us into year two of a launch making him obligation totally monitor the chat. Here my macgyver. Screen over here. I'm seeing a lot of virtual nodding heads with the snuffing. One of the things that needs to be coming up a little bit in the chat. Is you know the words. Obviously we talked about. What does al mean to you. But but what does the word fast mean to you Because that seems to be thrown around. I saw somebody here said you know what does what does fast mean to you guys what you're talking about the civic within insights industry. It used to be that are i would say for a lot of companies or core role about validation and risk mitigation and now there's shift towards more about shining the light on the future in progress over perfection and taking baby steps forward quickly so fast could mean a lot of things but if you think about like an average control sir tests could take like twelve weeks or hundred tests could take four weeks and now we're talking about to do those things in days or even like the box pop. It used to be that to set up a proper kind of novelty. That could take three four weeks now. You can also do that an hour days. And so i think we're literally talking about from weeks and months to as and that time in between leads you to do two things either make decisions quicker or interrupt more like what was sane and by iterating more. Just get it better before you move it for. I think that we often. We've all had done all of the perfect testing all the robustness and got into the end of the year and a half liter with green light. Green light green light and still doesn't do all market and why it's out because there's a lot of factors that a products and packaging does well market or not and research is just one piece of events when we think about risk differently and we start to take risks and other mitigate risk places in us insight for information versus the answer and can just get better in resolve absolutely. Couldn't agree more with you. And i don't know i guess i have innovation on the brain as well just You know the amount of time it takes to get to market. And i think you know jan had said you know two three years. It could take to really perfect. A new product lines That's that's really too long. I think we need to be figuring out. How do we get it down to one year. you know. it's hard to say the precise time but but faster to me just means I like the way. michelle said. Mitigating the risks differently. You know figuring out what's absolutely. I don't know you you can't not do but then skip the other things that maybe are just not helping you get to the weather. The probability of success in market is going to be stronger. Not at a company like perfect to me. It seems like we operate on twelve and eighteen months time line. So we've gotta figure out as much as we can to beyond shelf at that point so that's that's just what the the pace we like to move. But i have to. Combat accommodate is zero bright on shelf in eighteen. Months awesome cool. I mean. I think that's a good kind of segue into you. Know how. how are we getting agile. How are we approaching insights transformation and you know what approaches are each of you taking to to get to that that gold standard. I think Wine example right now for me is really just completely experimenting with a new approach to innovation. And it's actually partnering with some external partners to develop products and You know utilize different testing methodologies or research methodologies throughout the process so a bit of outsourcing and You know leverage in our internal resources as needed just to ensure we're following the critical protocols but Really empowering the team the external team to help us do things differently and you know. I think what's critical in this approach to experimentation is really having the support of your leadership team i think the acknowledgement that we are truly experimenting with this process. The outcome is going to be a new product in in market in a very short amount of time. You know yes. There's risk but the experiment. I think has so much more potential upside than potential risk. So that's one example of how we're trying to do a little bit differently. Do things a little bit differently. with Specifically new product innovation are experimenting a few every time we talk but i do think worry that is a huge unlock is is idea that insights folks like that. We get paid to help the right answer and to be right all the time and so therefore that tends to be towards going towards super robust methodology. All the time like we always want the cadillac answer and for fear of failure being wrong or whatever so by introducing the idea of experiments if you pilot people expect that it's going to work and it's just a smaller version of something that you're gonna put mark if you experienced people expect nfl. But there's some leaving learned from that so if it doesn't feel that's awesome. It does fell. Nobody's upset with you. And also i did. Experiment is minimized of people. Time and money resources. So we've been working with a lot of research text. Fires run experiments in the business versus saying we're gonna pilot company 'cause nobody wants to pilot a new company that risky but the art of experiments on the fighting in the has really worked for us in terms of accelerating the transformation both with insights and marketing folks. Because we're taking the risk way of trying new things. Yeah and so so. What sort of agile. Tech and tools are experimenting with roaches Well just two quick examples. One example is with. Vox pop me we. We had a lot of traction in one global team but we were having a hard time getting other places in a republican christina. Ran like an internal of competition where we have like unlimited. Use me for two months. We got within the two months forty people to use it because she sort of made like a fun competition and they made videos experience and we made a whole internal thing about it. The super bowl But we've also done other things like that with other tech companies were. We're actually not sure if we want to adopt them or not. But we'll get a small of people and we'll help support it by paying for it essentially to use it with with where there's no risk if it doesn't work out you know there's no risk of business but we wore them in some way by highlighting them in an internal newsletter talking about it with the company so that may get rewarded other people wanna see nine and then it creates expo mon the business where other people like. I want to do that too. So i've said that before but mars is very culture so i up on if people are getting praised over here than other people want to do it too which is a great way of spreading internally since formation. Matt i want to hear from you to your approach is from the the the gel company themselves i mean. Certainly there's there's we have antastic research partners a share the priority of speed in fast. And and let's think of a new way to get to this answer and having those partners super valuable but then there's other times where the budget isn't. Isn't there for for certain questions. And and that's where he got gay free so a lot of brands like perfect relied heavily on field teams in your feelings create relationships. So what can you learn what you're in the store and talking to the employees that shelf. They they're invaluable resource If your if you're trying to be a fast follower or reimagining a products. What type of reviews are out there in in youtube or google or amazon. That that are you can mind for consumer insight and what you on that path of okay. Here's how we could. We could do a better job of that for consumers really just kind of getting scrapping in starting with the. If i don't have a single dollar to spend on this where what can i do But that's f. That was really rooted when research programs were locked. Expensive time line for like what. We started off with the call for several weeks to turnaround accounts at there's platforms where you can get ideas screens concepts back next day. Which is really really cool when you have a perfect friends and family coming into look at a product claw them. I love that and it is like so valuable. The public data. That's available or you know insights that you've already gather that you can go back and revisit for happening to run new studies at something. That wasn't really possible. Not that long ago is like pretty incredible. I just build on that. And actually i have such a fortunate situation where i get to tap into mad as often or as frequently as i'd like he does the same. And we're able to you know being under the same family now Really kind of leverage each other's expertise and You know there are so many great schools out there and i. I agree anything you can do that. You can actually see nothing. I'm just plugging box fought me. But the consumers interacting with talking live about your products or company like nail biter that the consumers are in the store. You can actually see them shopping. And i think also having an insight community that you can you know happened to you know. That's an agile way to you. Know really get quick learning anytime you need. So i mean i can rattle off a ton more partners that i love working with but i feel like there's many out there that have either Modified the way they do things to do things more quickly or just by the nature of who they are are really great. Quick agile peers industry. Because i'm so such a big fan of that you know. Even you and i were just talking about that last week. About how like a year or two we with l. together but now because of the advent of data technology right. We're not yes. We're competing against each other but inside universal in if we're both were all experiencing the same problem so the best way softwares but a bunch of smart people on together so i've spoken to so many peers ministry in the last year and half and i would agree with you. It's one of the best on wasteful. Get agile and to solve problems quickly because we all have to see misuse. Yeah The the audiences loving that the definition of of scrappy. It's i'm hearing Agile scrappy is the new agile. And do you have a couple of that. I might want to get to your. We have about a little less than ten minutes left. So we're gonna go super pass. We have a couple more things How how do you know that you haven't missed something important. Do you just catch up on another Chen another is while your brains are working to say my personal point of view kind of where i sit before is that we often miss important things and we often think we've tested a perfect thing but until you put it in the real world environment with all of the things in place price promo words. What competition's doing you're never going to be able to catch everything so the thing you can do is in madison spirent. What you're saying is get stuff out there in the world whether it's virtual or real life and start selling stuff and then you will learn about it and then be able at things in place in the back to the all to move quickly on iterations. You missed up it's inevitable. I think what's important is recognizing that and a operating within a culture that understands what comes with the push to be scrappy. Push to be agile and when you had that culture when you missed up you'll be able to or adapt just as quickly for sure cool. Well now that we've kind of spent a little time and talking about your approaches and what works in an agile world. Love to hear from each of you. What hasn't worked and what what should people in the audience lookout for. Be aware of and maybe can learn from from mistakes. I could just jump in quickly. I guess thinking about that you know I think it's really important when you set out on a project or an initiative to really lay out. What are your guiding principles. If you're if you're really setting out to do something in a different more agile way you need to level set the team and get alliance on what those guidelines are You know principles your follow. We are not going to do this. Step in the process and get that alignment. So i'd say what hasn't worked when we don't stay true to that and we default back to the you know our old ways or or just you know feeling so that we have that. It's so important that we actually do that thing. We said we weren't going to do because it didn't really feel like it was going to add the value so for me. It's it's not staying true. To what your you know your plan is with such a massive undertaking like incites transformation and could be easy to fall back into old habits. I mean there's a reason we fall back into old habits. They can stay improve it and all of that. So i think that's related. What doesn't work is estimating how important change management and the people aspect of it are and bringing people along. You might find the most coolest newest tool or all your way of working or process but if you're not bringing internally dissociates long or you're not making sure this makes sense consumer perspective it's gonna be doomed to fail so i really learned a lot around get a i get people onboard on the vision internally so like focus on the why and then how you're going to get there and then talk about the rest methodology where we tend to go straight to that we have this cool new shiny methodology or tool whereas. That's like a automatically. You're gonna have resistance to that but if you start with the why gay people more than it's easier thing i could add when you're not staying true to the consumer and and you move so you let yourself step off what you originally set out to do. And that makes a lotta sense. Yeah just as you were talking michelle you know earlier laura. You're talking about how important it is to have that that. Kind of stakeholder by an and michelle. You've talked about having that sort of top top down but also the bottom up by an end really getting everybody on the same page and collaborating the importance of that which is really crucial awesome. Well i do have a couple of other questions. That have come in any tips on identifying how to isolate pieces for your experiments and how to get stay gold stakeholders to embrace them Me when they say islip pizzas they mean like of the innovation funnel or the research process. Right so i think the first thing is like identified a bottleneck. What's the thing that you think is either taking longer costing too much money or you're not getting quality of results that you would like and then use your industry peers to find out who you think is doing that well or better differently And talk to a bunch of people and then wrentham some tiny little experiments and experiment can look like just take you know a small brand and a small question in up project and run it see. What the output would be like then replicate not often. Yeah agreed and you know getting getting a stakeholder buy in you know maybe i have just really fortunate in in my world i think senior leadership is really. You know we're all aligned on. What the real priorities are in our strategy and If it doesn't if it's not something that's gonna to our our strategy in that. It's not something anyone going to align to so being able to demonstrate how whatever your initiative is and the fact that you're going to utilize this different approach if it's alliance senior corporate priorities. I'd say it's really just as simple as kind of packaging up your recommendation And law or how it fits and how we believe it's going to benefit the organization to pursue this experiment. this way. it seems like you know yes. It might be easier said than done but i think having the right relationships and just being able to perceive persuasively package up the the recommendation and to michelle's point earlier the. Why would do this. Not the what we're going to do. I think would be great way to set that up also in the last the final minute any any final thoughts like thank you guys so much. This has been such a great conversation. I could talk to you for like three hours outback. But maybe not. We'll start with you any final thoughts. us your consumer untrustworthy instincts in know where you can where you can make trade trait officer. You're probably gonna get pretty close bright on where you need to be. Yeah absolutely and you know it's funny in my life in my personal world. I cannot necessarily a fast adopter of of new trends and new things. And i didn't get an iphone until at least five years after everyone else but in this environment now You know really obviously passionate about my job in what i do. And the consumers that we serve with awesome products brings market but So i wanna get fat to them get these you know. Great delicious products to them. That much more quickly. And that motivates me to wanna really do things as quickly as differently as we can to maximize that benefit some. My ten seconds is the world's moving fast so the best way to stay connected is to conferences or join organizations light quirks like association like at some are the people that are watching this right now. You are the goodies. You're the people that are doing that. So i get a colleague or friend to come next time because we need or people attending these events participating in he'd cessations.

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#23 | Retaillessen met Mark de Lange, CEO Ace & Tate | De RetailTrends Podcast

De RetailTrends Podcast

46:00 min | 9 months ago

#23 | Retaillessen met Mark de Lange, CEO Ace & Tate | De RetailTrends Podcast

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#28 | Retaillessen van Jochanan Bax, directeur van Bax Music | De RetailTrends Podcast

De RetailTrends Podcast

57:23 min | 7 months ago

#28 | Retaillessen van Jochanan Bax, directeur van Bax Music | De RetailTrends Podcast

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"Resident Alien" und "Dad Stop Embarrassing Me!" mit Jamie Foxx

Serienweise - Der Serien Podcast

50:16 min | 3 months ago

"Resident Alien" und "Dad Stop Embarrassing Me!" mit Jamie Foxx

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#32 | Retaillessen met Patrick Hurenkamp, oprichter Bloomon | De RetailTrends Podcast

De RetailTrends Podcast

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#32 | Retaillessen met Patrick Hurenkamp, oprichter Bloomon | De RetailTrends Podcast

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"Cursed" und "Normal People"

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Update: Hat Putin Lukaschenko bei der Zwangslandung geholfen?

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Update: Hat Putin Lukaschenko bei der Zwangslandung geholfen?

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Update: der klare Sieger bei Nord Stream 2

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Update: der klare Sieger bei Nord Stream 2

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#33 Punit Bhatia Privacy Expert Author Speaker BrianVee Whywework

WhyWeWork BrianVee

57:09 min | 11 months ago

#33 Punit Bhatia Privacy Expert Author Speaker BrianVee Whywework

"Welcome to why we work with your host Brian Veep as he speaks to people like you from all over the world as we together dive deeper into our motivations struggles joys. Seemingly missteps. Colds. Warnings. And Advice, which would be an encouragement to us all to get up. Get going. And keep on working. Working stopped. Working. His. Now. Here's your host to why we work. Trying. I am Brian Viet why we work and today the great pleasure speaking with. Whom it Fatiha. Now this man is an expert in his field. It is going to be a very, very interesting conversation. To say the least he is a privacy expert he's an author speaker and the books that he has written such as being effective GPO which is a data protection officer. or be ready for GDP, are which General Data Protection Regulation? This is pretty deep stuff. But. It's good to learn. Data protection is important. So let's have a listen. Of this man's Jeremy with. Work. Hi I'm Brian V in this is why we work today I have the great pleasure of speaking to you. With Mr Putin. Attiyah good day fine sir. Hello thanks for having me here and times for the good work. You do Brian in this podcast podcast. Thank you. Sir, and the work you do which I was just mentioning to you. The field of which you are working in I. Think it will be best described by you but your in the privacy, the the behind the computer that we always see data protection privacy in how people can work in those industries, how people can be protected. Can you give a little short description about what it is you do? Now. That's an interesting question. So. You discuss summed it up very well. We are living in a modern world and in the modern world, it's all about data like now are recording podcasts and you know my name, I know your name, we have each of email but that's with all good interest. You want to help me I, want to help you exchanging that information, but then sometimes it so happens that there is not the good entrust but people get access to our data access to our information. So protecting that information and making shot, the information is being used for the right purposes is privacy and how we do that is there are many many things that are rules for that there are. Guidelines that are security things, and there are organizational things but I would leave that out. Essentially it is about allowing people to have the right of the freedom to choose what they want to share with who they want to share, and that is knowing now with facebook and all these other places that grab your information than you wonder is it just sit in a cabinet somewhere or is it being used or you know with hackers and all that but before we may be touch on that a little bit later can you bring me back? Way Back to when you were a child or when you would have gotten your first job like. So you're here now and you know. This is a big area of controversy. This is a big area of interest for people nowadays. But what were you thinking way back when you got your first job in? What was it? but about twenty twenty, one years ago. So I was back in nine, hundred, ninety nine when I got out of my college. I think it was end of May two, nine, hundred, ninety, nine. and. That moment I just lost out often generating. And I. Completed My engine and the. Poon it where where are you from? India. India. Ed Bob Enough at twenty twenty one it now is your first paying job is that is that a normal thing in India? That's normal in Korea where I am now. So a lot of people. Work at all. Until they finish college but being from Canada in in the United States North America that's not as common where kids get a job at twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, you know doing small things. So I was lucky I didn't need to look dilemmas. College K bit was in nineteen, ninety, nine middle fit until then I had not had any job that of the first time that tries to us do I go for a master's degree or go for a job. And I chose to go for a job. And then. You probably know it because that's how it is. In most Asian countries you tend to follow the crowds then to follow the way everybody's doing it. So everybody was either going for. Masters degree off the job and I chose to the job and then. You I got into something called information technology. So what we call idea computers so I started there and. I don't know if you want me to walk. You to entire journey. But that's what I did in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, nine, two, thousand. Three. I do. Do I need to walk through that journey because I think it is interesting you mentioned that you were following in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, nine, I came from a university that just before that started to bring computers into the classroom, which is you know one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, six, nineteen, ninety, nine it's a pretty new thing compared to now everyone carries a. Computer in their hand but you mentioned you were following was there any motivation of your own to get your first job opposed to starting your masters degree? What was what was the motivation driving you at that time? Because now you're a young man, right? So it's not well, you know I just wanted to buy some hockey cards or some cricket cards or anything like that. What was the motivation at that time to not pursue the degree in get into it? The motivation was I wanted to be in the workforce and I had a feeling that when you are in the number of years starts counting. That's how I used to think at that time. So I thought if I start in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, nine, and in two thousand one when somebody has completed their master's degree, I would be two years of experience rather than. Starting in the job force. So that was the motivation and I said I can always do my master's few years later because some people told me when you have five six, seven years of experience and then you do your masters, you can leverage that masters better because you have expedience and then you understand and that's what I did in about two, thousand, nine I joined an MBA. That's did you have any advice? You mentioned a little bit there but the thinking of well I'm not going to pursue this masters because that will be two strikes against me in starting in Meyer employment. There anyone in like family or friends or? Students are some buddies that said Hey. This is the path or is that something you've thought of on your own? I'm in. There wasn't the formal coaching as we call it like somebody coming and getting but yes. Like most Asian cultures, there was this culture that family friends relatives everybody would give you advice other. There's too much of advice. And you really need to choose what you want and I was the one who was a little bit more an independence some college stubborn. But I call the independent Guy who would decide for him. So I was like okay. I want to be independent and I want to be starting my job I, and I was fascinated by the computers part of it. So I did my chemical engineering and what went into computers. Of course, I have done a diploma alongside so I haven't. Experienced it and that fascinated me and that's what I started. So as you got in there. What was the reason for chemical engineering? Another story. That was. Call it destiny it accident. Different. Engineer Yeah. Yeah because the way it was when I passed my dwelt exams in India. It's like after twelve you go to college yes I did my high school. You needed to appear in all over India exam and you used to get a rank. So based on that rank, you would get into college and you'll try off. A degree. So I was, I was in the queue and they were finishing up all the engineering's, and then it was you're going to get into architecture and I said no five years no way I had nothing to do with architecture and it so happened somebody in front of the coupon doubt and they had one position which landed with me the it's chemical engineering and I said okay anyhow I don't know what the Difference Between Chemical Mechanical Electrical Engineer but it is not five years and it is an engineering. So let's do that. So I, did it literally that without much knowledge or information about chemical and when I got in I, found that. It was a bit challenging conflicts new. Chemicals Chemistry and so on. Either a mathematician physician or more in between mean not the physician of the doctor, the physics sky and chemical was inbetween so I and then inbound lighted this computers diploma and I said. So in India the walls if you haven't engineering, you can get to computers whatever engineering. I said that sounds good. Let's complete this chemical engineering and get me let me get into this the field of computers. So that is how it happened. was that a hard transition for you was a completely different or was there some similarities? In how they approached. Theories. I A few commonalities because as an. You your hardwired to think analytically. And in computers that what you need. So essentially two plus two is always four and that's what you're taught in mathematics engineering and you're taught to think in batons so it worked well. As I stopped it to evolve as I started to work in that I, realized that it was getting too analytical to technical. Even for my comfort. But then as I had more and more opportunities I switched jobs. I realized. That there was this soft side of. Technology. So you can either be hardcore professional who sits behind the does going or you can be a project manager who has to liaison who has to talk who has to build relationships understand others perspective. And communicated to others. So that's where I got fascinated with. Then Project Management Relationship Management Sales Management and program management and I said that's sound interesting. But then I had avoid white meaning because in my heart. I was in my head I was analytical Guy Let's do this four but in the management. Bluster could. Be Anything. It's people things. It depends on who the person is in front of you. And that's fascinated me and then I was like doubting myself is my head right or hot right in my heart I was the person in my head Islas, the analytical guy and I needed to matt do so I went into MBA and. Digest do validate how to manage act and then I understood management is an art. It's not science. I've done the science and now it's the art which I'm. into and that was a big revelation because I understood about communications and the art of not being perfect. So done is better than perfect philosophy like that. Are you need to give people space and started learning about sympathy empathy soft skills so from schools, I moved to soft skills with those soft skills. was there some influence in your life to realize that this is important? Because with those hard skills, some people whether they realized, the soft skills are important. They will be more analytical. They'll just study the numbers in not be that more compassionate sympathetic manager that you seem to have a heart desire for while still appreciating the numbers was some influence growing up that. Led you to have that heart for people. I don't know I never would that into perspective but I've had a feeling that what I was doing analytical was because the society or the situation demanded so. While in the More, people side of it. That was something I enjoyed more. So kind of improving myself discovering wireless think what the think understanding who they are, what they want to do. So that's decide which fascinated me but if I look back if I see. What we say. Tortillas or twenty, five years ago I have this fascination off by things look the way the book I never paid attention to it. I was always a tinker I was always thinking do much but I misused that thinking energy because I was doing it in an analytical without paying respect that humans are humans and Uganda by science on them. So in which way were you applying it to humans? So it to me it still sounds a little one off for me to understand how you how you saw it. Your potential in what worke we're going to do to apply to people and how maybe that leads into what you do now. But how was it touching the people's hearts in their lives? So I have this tendency that let's say I'm talking to you would over-exaggerate if I'm in nine, hundred, ninety nine or before even say before two thousand and done my Mba I would overthink imagine. Okay. Brian would ask me this. Then I would answer this then this then this so I would have done my whole mathematics in. Of what you will ask what you will not ask and then. Everything in my opinion ready. But I'm not Brian. So I never heard Brian and I will be the element of surprise and then they'll I get frustrated. The two sided conversation is an element of surprise. Yeah. So I was ignoring the surprise part and then I was angry at Brian Orders. Doesn't think like. He's not me. facination I had in all situations where my parents rather my sisters were my friends I was enact expecting them to do what I wanted them to do or imagine to do, and then I was always disappointed. So. When you marry these two ideas together, what was that a rough transition for you or was it made everything makes sense and then gave you the peace of knowing. This is where you belonged in your career. It was a rough transition because. You bring in Twenty, eight, thirty, thirty, five years of baggage. Let me put it like that are thinking that you've got it on without what you're getting along. That's right and then. especially. Since it's good stuff. The good stuff. Down right it's good stuff you're bringing with you. That was useful for you. It's not like you were a gangster for thirty years I. Got I got. I got to stop that stuff and I gotTA. Do this good thing. You were doing some good things. It was just a different way of looking at it. And Life was kind to me to give me these opportunities start as a computer engineer. Then get into Project Management Program Management Relationship Manager have my doubts do Miami and then the allies it about soft skills. But now as I started transition I, vent a little bit the other site. So the soft skills has two aspects so understanding that. Understanding that things are not perfect. Is the voice. Okay because I hear some Echo. I. Think it's OK. Perfect so we to. So essentially, it has two sides of one. The world is not perfect and others have their own thinking but do you also have yourself and you need to understand yourself? So as I moved from my technical analytical engineering mindset to the other side, I did understand things are not perfect and I started to give those a little bit much space and I was losing myself. So between two, thousand, twelve or eleven and fourteen when I'm finished my MBA, can I was a little bit too much than I should have so I was like too much quiet listening to much knock sharing my view too much. and. Kind of getting. On it was either or and there were these toolkits either I'm to engineering. But I was not finding the balance and then in an two thousand fifteen, I had the good privilege of working with the manager. Who wanted to put me a challenge because so far I was never challenged. So where you disabled him, did you happen to leave India at all during this time or did you? Did you get some international work experience as well? So that was also fascinating. I was lucky to in around two thousand and I got married to get to south. Africa and that's when this transition also happened the trigger Ross. Because in Asian culture about nine to five, nine to nine and then. And then it's done. So you don't have too much time to think and when I went to South Africa, I saw that things were different. There was scope for opportunity for being yourself, finding yourself finding people and that triggered in two thousand, three, I moved to south. Africa animal two, thousand, six I moved to Belgium, and I've been here since to Belgium in Europe. Okay. So that. The opportunities I had because of this tradition or this relocation who also contributed behind it, and even in one thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, nine, I had my first expression I was in north India nine, hundred, ninety, nine first job I went to south India. And I saw a completely different world within India because it was two thousand. And it brought about. So around two thousand three, the word culture used to play a lot of part in my sense. So, before that it was Matt's science physics. Chemistry computers, and then the culture soft skills started to bring in. The landed in and around two thousand, six seven or started to land in two, thousand, six and seven. And two, thousand ten. I had my real dilemma I. DID MY MBA and after my mba I started to a little bit too much on the other side and around two thousand fifteen then. The aspect was okay, this is this this this but who am I? Because maybe I was moving from this to that, and again, as you said, I'm not a gangster. So it's a good things to leverage here and good things to leverage here. So then I started to develop. And I did my first big thing was to read books and then festival guy. Listen do us from Mister. Bryant Acey. And it said Jane you're thinking genial mind agenda life and it literally did that for me, and since then I read our listened to about one sixty bucks. And it meant a big change for me and that allowed me to discover myself no myself no others better and even improve myself. So then this fitted in this analytical technical this is me this other person and let's see how the combination can deliver something. That's a really interesting journey especially since you were so clear minded all the way through. But I was not I was I've gangster I could make that analogy but it's it's really interesting to hear how you were thinking all the way through and you knew specifically what you were doing. Sometimes it was you know complicated or confusing of how to balance things out. You had the wherewithal to know this is what you were going through. It's really interesting. But I would say before two, thousand, fifteen, it was subconsciously not consciously that I was doing it. Yes. There were some things but never appreciated them never taught undoing. So like I did my mba but I would never thought I was appreciating myself. Since two, thousand, fifteen or sixteen I also started to bring in the aspect of on. expectation, conscious change, and conscious thinking. So in Belgium is this where you began your career or did you start this into privacy in data protection? So my gut had about. Defend blocks. So I five, a I started in India in nineteen ninety nine. And I was built into the technical stuff. And then I had in the technical part. The Product Management Program Manager does little bit relational, soft skills. Then after my Mba I did sourcing and vendor management that is managing companies with which companies work with. And I had the other experience in in two thousand, Fourteen fifteen I switched to data privacy. So I had I was fortunate enough to have an opportunity. In the Bank I was working for and I switched to this data privacy. And as I was doing that and. A few minutes back as I said in two thousand fifteen I was also on the journey reading books and listening books and I was like, how do I leverage my skills? How do I bring the best of me to other people and it can be given to me that I should. Write books I should be more expensive started speaking to people as a public speaker. I also wrote three books in since two thousand. Fifteen. And then things started to change as data privacy also mix of technical and soft skills and everything combined immediate the hard skills. Might Technology background, it needed the soft skills and it needed an understanding of law which was another dimension, which is also interpreted rather than. Just clear. It was a good combination of all the things I had done for last fifteen years at that moment in the last fought since two thousand, fifteen data privacy. So in two thousand fifteen what led you or was that just natural from what you experienced that would have been the next logical step for you or was there a reason why you went into data privacy? Well good moments, you need some bad moments. So that's how it worked. So into fifteen I had a tough boss. I called a tough at that time. Who challenged me who questioned me because before that since I was strong headed people would not question me and I would get my way but this was another strong headed person. So then too strong headed people meet you can imagine what happens and then only one can win. So it's Because in. I married. A. Just. Maybe it's just me. Okay well. Let's not get that part on the air. We know we have bruce. Tonight. So that boss kind of challenged me and in that moment I was on verge of getting fired. So, I needed to find something as I was finding something I was leveraging all my skills and my network within the bank and I was connecting with people. So I had this idea to get into compliance regulatory risk management kind of things because it fitted with me by outsourcing and working with vendors, I was aware of the risk. To Program Management I, knew that so I thought and somebody said to me well, compliance is a safe job. They will always have laws and you'll always be busy innocent sound interesting. Why do you want to be in this this? This being regular and that's the short term thinking I had. But I got into got the opportunity this there's a program on data privacy it's technology. Technology we'll take care of the privacy because I was always a quick learner and I learned it. I understood it far more than technologies far bigger. It's full business full everything. and. It allowed me to flourish three it was. An opportunity driven by. A tough boss and a need for demand for change. So in now being eaten. So for five years in data. Privacy. What, what has been the biggest learning curve just in this sector or in this realm of technology for you? Well in data privacy, the learning has been. That there are so many laws and there's so many people. Everybody has an opinion and everybody can be right. which is a fascinating thing live the same law. If ten people needed, they will have ten different opinions and all of them can be right. Does that. Does that then get frustrating. Is that real relieving to know that ten people can be right. I call it fascinating. So it's not relieving because sometimes you say, how can you say that? then. You get fascinated. Oh, you can think like that as well. Oh. Yeah. You can have that interpretation as well and I don't mean to say all of them will be right. Most of them would be right and then there may be some who would have a slightly off the. Dungeon. Interpretation. which is not. Correct. But that's fascinates me and that keeps me engaged because coming from a technology coming from the soft skills and everything I can relate to it and I can help people. So put it then with that sort of variation. What is difficult about your job? Just like day to day operations. What is hard about to work and being no analytical in also managerial, but also in this? Very popular area of technology. What is difficult about your job? That's a good question if I'm honest in that privacy job. I did not find enough charge. So. What I. Did about two years ago or one year ago more families. I became an entrepreneur. I know the privacy part I know all this, but I don't know. How to up a business, how to get clients how? To. Sell. So. Now, that's the challenging part and the rest is the leverage pot. But when I was in data privacy part D challenging part was sometimes I was very clear on things. But the organizations would want to do their own way because of political or other reasons and that frustrated that kind of annoyed me because I could see how organizations could leverage privacy and make it a competitive differentiation while. there were. In an organization especially large corporates that I worked for you need to bring everybody together. And that? I think at some point in dime. Was Not something which is enjoying I was doing it I was. Happy doing it, but I did not enjoy it. So then I thought if I become independent or a business, then my trust is to provide advice more neutrally because when you're in the company, you need to balance how different things and I was not happy balancing. That was another challenge I had. So, as if I have my own business and you're saying you're an entrepreneur creating your own business, what is your message to? What have you the small medium larger sized businesses that should be considering or taking data privacy more seriously, what is your pitch? What is it that you're saying to them as to why they should take you on board or at least would it be as consulting or higher you on? What would you say to them so that they can really understand probably even the value of the data that they have, but also the privacy therein. So. So privacy is a complex and abstract topic. But the funds for doing the privacy workers venue, align it and associated with the business for which you are working. And also simplified in their language. Like I was talking to a blind this morning. And I had a consultant who was complicating it article this law, this recital this. So they make it complicated it pink of the law and I told him because I was watching him and I said. Hey. Why not think of the general manager of the CEO who needs this advice and give it to him in his version so aligned to his business and what he wants to do. And then he said, yeah, that makes sense and I said. But you're not doing that you're talking about law article number this recital number this says and I said using terms. which are so complicated would he know them? He said no and then use it. So, essentially, my going back to what my value propositions I make privacy simple and manageable. So simple unmanageable in the language of business. So anybody any business who works with me I talk their language while keeping my privacy knowledge in the background and helping them do their business and I do this in previous one is. I consult them advice them. Second. Is I train their staff because they need to be trained coached in their language like a John needs to be taught privacy in their language for procurement language idea ninety Languid that's what I do. If they have people in the company who have to be coached by in the morning this gentleman. They have a privacy or Sun, but the person understands the lawnmower and then there's a kind of. Slight gap between business and legal, and I can bridge that gap. So my proposition, my value ideas, I make it simple manageable and relevant for all bodies. So as you. Look at what you used to do in just doing data privacy now venturing out on your own. What is what is the joy? What is the excitement that you get out of doing this new aspect versus? You know it wasn't challenging for you what you were doing previously. Now, this would be venturing out on your own. This is a big step. So there's a lot of challenge. But. What do you like out of this challenge now facing? I. Think Challenges, getting clients, attracting clients, convincing clients, and also. Making sure that I'm more shot and more crisp in a dumb of my propositions to clients. So that's the fun part of it, and there's also the independence independence to think produce, create, and provide inputs are not bound by any restrictions or any political agenda like now I last month I started dating my Privacy Courses Online privacy courses. It was a matter of saying, okay I want to do that who who will be my audience what do I do I sell them? What do I do and then creating it? Of course there's always the surprise element in life I thought I would create a course every three or four days, and then I realized no it every two or three weeks. So you'll learn and that's the challenge and you need to get used to it. And then I thought okay I'll make a post on link and it will start to sell but it doesn't work like that. So does the challenge but the motivation factor is the independence, the freedom and the joy of helping people. At this time with Kovin. People from what I see you may see differently is technology. Should be growing more people are using their computer they're staying home. That's my perspective. Is that mean there's a demand for you. There's a greater demand for it professionals, data privacy experts. Such as yourself is this becoming a demand or because of covert things her many people who I've interviewed over last month they've lost a lot of business speakers, authors and such, but yours is. Helping the back ends be better. So are you able to grow during these times? I think it's a mix of boot. In about mid June one of my primary lions and did their contract. I had a little bit off. Like, the binding gum. SLOWING DOWN STOPPING And now things are starting to pick up because I adopted to the model, and now I'm providing online courses, online coaching and things like that. But essentially. In the modern world that we're talking in the gory era if we call it pandemic way. It's going to be a mix of technology and soft skills. So we do need these booms, the Mike, soft team, Google, and so on as technologies. But behind it, your soft skill become even more important. Yes. Data privacy is important but the softer. Part of the skills is even more important because when somebody's in front of you, it's easy to say, Hey, listen to me. Now somebody puts screen off and you don't know if he's watching are playing or eating or maybe for adult bake, and put it on mute and that's fair. Your communication engagement and softer skills have a larger role to play. So you need to connect with people in their minds now not. Far, away. Like. Now, we are speaking I can see you you can see me and that's fine but if I put myself on. Mute. I mean again, do person meeting. The challenging but winner ten people I put it on. Mute I. Stopped my video, who knows what I'm doing? That's where the softer skills upland going to play a little bit more role than before and yes, technology would be the enabler. Glad to hear that your business is still. Growing rather than in I. Think you're in you picked it. You know when you're. In your twenties, you picked an industry that I was thinking of this just actually think of it. Every couple of days of what is a good industry to be in when stuff like this happens covid in particular and what kind of industries? Will be protected against these sort of instances. I think technology in this sense is one of them unlike a restaurant or something. Do you have in. Go ahead. Well I was GonNa say was just GonNa say do you have any? Warnings. For just the general person about their own data, their own privacy things that they do that they take for granted on a on a regular basis with they should and shouldn't do just I mean people give you those. Tips once in a while but we don't always listen I think but you being an expert You might have a couple of tips for people to not read over the terms of conditions are just click on the thing and keep on going. Now. I think the two things before I get to that I am about to say. Yes there's an impact because of covid. Because a fantastic, but it is on every industry. Some industry have a positive impact and some have a negative impact. But when you look at the larger level, the world level. It's always in balance. So, few years ago you were saying it's technology. It's takes its I and so on on intelligence on, and now when they say, can we use robotics artificial intelligence to solve the condemning and this because we need data? So every industry has its own limitations and benefit. Yes. The strangest dream hospitality industry and travel industries hit hard. So they need to pivot, they need to find something else. But for others yes, they are booming but in overall life is always in. It may look like out of balance, but it will find ballads and the world is changing for good in my opinion but coming to the data privacy part of it, which was our primary question. So. Yes. As an individual should take ownership of our. Information and be careful where we are leaving it and what we are doing with it like. Typically, each website when you go there through, you pop up and saying, give me your name and email and we will send you letters. But before that watch out, ask yourself do you really need that? So, put a value on your email and your name and don't distribute it freely and when you're receiving those emails. Moss emails. Again, look at. If you really them if you really need them and if don't need them, unsubscribe them and put a value on your data because when something is free. You are the product people tend to think it's a free newsletter. No it's not newsletter you give your name and email, and then they start bombarding your emails. You may find value in it. You may need it, but you're bang your name, any email, and that has value for them. That's an interesting where you put it on the data put value on your information this When it's free, you are the product. Yes. It's scary to. It's challenging because people say. G Mail Youtube. Now. You're watching Youtube for feet. That's how it looks like for a normal person. Behind it every few minutes you're getting an advertisement. So I'm making money because you're watching watching it in a now there's a paid version of it in which you pay because they make their money and you watch it without ads in the first version, you the product in. Second, one. Is the money that paying them so they need their money to provide you tube. You let them have it to add to your data on twitter money who liked to have been in that conference room that day hey we can just charge them advertisements and then says, Hey. If they pay S. WE WON'T. Charge. Them every. Week we got him both ways what what is it typical day look like for you maybe transition from being an entrepreneur. But what does it look like for you and how would people? Get into your industry. I mean you just spoke of twenty five years of experience and Howard came about but how would you give advice for people who WanNa do the thing that you're doing or get into the line of work whether it specifically in privacy and data protection or within the IT field? What is your? IS GROWING UP I missed the boat I think on the IT and other people. I think, deserve the right to know how not to miss the boat. Now. I think. The. New Talk about being in privacy or ideas about knowing what you want to do finding that finding the right Training and everything and I call it the leverage learn and launch some fosters. Look back at what you're good at what you do, what are your skills? What are strengths? What are your values? And make an inventory of that is know yourself. Because otherwise few years later, you will regret it and it's not easy when you're young. But. Of find an inventory of who you are and what your strengths are and people tell me I don't have experience. But if you don't have experience, you still have passed a few years and in the years you have done something. So looked at what did you enjoy? Then the second step I call it is now that you've leveraged on your past experience, you need to learn and to learn is okay I want to be here. These are the skilled will use what do I need what do I miss between the current level and the future level? Make a plan and make additions maybe you need to do an Mba maybe you need to privacy course maybe new engineering course and do do those certification those learnings so you learn and it may be skills also. And see you need to get the job outside the job. So you learn and when you have leveraged and learned, you have a platform to launch yourself into your dream career on new nuclear. It may be in privacy it may be anywhere. So I, call it the L. Model Leverage Learn and launch leverage from your past learn. For your future and then launch into your future leverage leverage learn launch. That's Great Puna what boat I mean we're talking it but it applies to any field. But what about someone? That's a little discouraged now? Maybe covert maybe they lost a job. A young kid that didn't have the same thought process that you had. What sort of advice would you give? To a child looking to get into university or college or star starting their way in the workforce. What sort of advice would you give them or suggestions? Just to encourage them. For Sean I. Think. One of the beauties of life is it's always inbalance V. And we have been biased of the judgment of seeing one side or the other. So the glass is always half full and empty. It's just perceptions in those moments like when you lose a job. When you have things not going V, you tend to look at the empty part of it. But there's also the other side of it, which is fun. and. Then we are in good spirits and we say everything is fine like six months ago or seven months ago stocks are going up and people were saying we adding another boom and this is going to happen that's going to happen. Then also, they were kings which were negative, but we were not realizing it. It's a matter of where we are putting focus but life is always balance never dishearten never give up an office day focused on finding both sides. When you find both sides, you are in balance when you look at one side, you're out of balance. So even when you think things are perfect and nothing is wrong in your life. Find out what's wrong because if you're not finding it, you're missing out on the balanced you're getting biased and the other way now and the beauty of human mind is. We. Are. Comfortable and we can find easily the negative side of it and difficult to find it. Positive can focus on either side and things are going perfectly safe. Everything is buffet. Nothing is wrong in my life. There are things if you focus on them, you'll stay in balance and that moment we are on that side and in the negative situation, which is basically. Our own mindset and all what you're thinking said job has gone nothing is going well like I talked about. Dumont ago I lost my main blind and my main revenue. Yes I. have always dresses life is imbalanced but you had to choices. One choices to be despondent, angry, frustrated and zone if you do that. The chances are even if you find success, even find opportunities, the opportunity would miss you. However if you stay. Balanced our stay. Open to opportunities there's opportunity there's a chance that you will match you will get the. More easily and more correctly and even more important. Better you get the opportunity or not because it sounds philosophical whether you kicked opportunity or not. You would have enjoyed the time more by being open to opportunities then being frustrated. So being frustrated, you'll make the time longer. And you will miss chances and by being positive, you'll create dances and at the very least. Be Happy and still be able to live to with the positives you have. That's my opinion. A good opinion and many I mean we experienced people like that all the time and we have temptation to do that as well is not to get discouraged or be too puffed up thinking. Oh, look how great my life is. Poon it how how do you rest? Getting. Getting away pushing the computer away may be or would be playing a video game. But what is it? You do to rest to get away from your work? What I learned over the years is. If. You're working on your passion if you're working on things which allow. then. The. itself is giving you rest and pleasure and you don't need to find moments of. break same. Reaction Yeah. But having said that it's definitely important to sit your mind to alternative things. So like now. I, think if I look at it in last eight weeks, I would have had one day off but. As an independent AUBANEL also starting and. I had one day often even in that one day a blind emailed me and I needed to spend half an hour or one hour and I was talking to my son. It's not easy being an entrepreneur w how few people with you but the bottom line is if you love what you're doing if you enjoy what you're doing, you will not count the hours and then you will not need to. Relax that's one side of it. But second side is, how do you still keep things in balance suspend time with people whom you love spend time with family and take time for yourself. Big Time a little bit to say what am I doing? Is this going in that direction I won't an okay what's not going well, and how do I fix it so what I do is every morning I do. An Aloe. In which I focus three focus my energies. I. Do a bit of meditation bit of Cold War Hold Water Chevallier jump into the goal bul things like that and then generalized my and look at what do I want to achieve better my. And bidwell I want to go and is it going in that direction and always answer is yes but slowly. Realize me not the situation. So it's my expedition where and I want to be quicker faster and better, but things will take time. So. In short. find the balanced and do things in which you do need to find as if you're working. Like, now we are having this podcast and I don't feel like I'm working I'm enjoying the conversation. If. I get into a podcast Vietnam doing podcast. I'm uncomfortable and have to be very precise and I'm reading from my notes. Then, that would start to feel work but here I'm speaking what I feel like what I think like an you're asking what you think like. So that's the fun part of its find the fun part. find the sweet spot. Then balance it out with other activities like learn a lot about yourself. And spend time with family and the toting is refreshed recharge yourself in the morning and evening like. When a shop opens, they have a day opening and then things. same thing you should have for yourself five minute day closing and about thirty to forty five minutes day start. That's a good way to look at it to never thought of that. Opening closed for yourself. A couple more. Questions before we go. Sean. Thinking back when you avoided being an architect. With all your might. Getting into chemical engineering in even things when you were younger. All the way up till now and. How has work in you mentioned work is your passion something that you love to do. So it doesn't seem as though it is work how has worked. So thinking of listeners who? When I was younger. Work was that important or it was not as. For than we get married, we have children we realized there's other things other aspects we have to take into consideration or there's people as I said who may be discouraged how has worked been that a constant in your life? How? Were brought you through life so far. I think I've been lucky and fortunate enough to have my options I mean I didn't do anything great to go from architecture do chemical in five minutes it so happened it was life. I was not wise enough to get from chemical. Ide- or from bidding technology into project management of Project, Management Program Management or get into vendor management in Dubai. So yes, I was anxious I was hungry I was into the Austin and I was open. But. It's the fascination of being in the universe that allowed me to experience those experiences. So I'd. I may feel I did something but I don't think I have done anything in that it just. So happened in those moments I had the good reflects good for June. Good luck. To react responsibly. Well it's. It's also. I mean A. Without saying is. A lot of people worry in stress. Yep Panic and get depressed about that moment. That's not yet here. Yup and as you're saying is it's kind of by moments some as lock some as you know, you're being at the right place at the right time you're persistent you had the skills to back it up in. So for people that are listening is you know do what you can do especially now if you're on a downtime, do some things you can do don't worry about the future, just try to place yourself in the right spot. But don't tell me that. It's easy because I have been to the other side before two, thousand, twelve I would very a lot can lead very, very little things. I would say, okay, I, applied for an Indian what will happen building building not get another got me or I must take an Everything. Is Fine. They've taken my. Given me the opportunity I can subscribe as well. I should subscribe maybe they given some five more extra people and then if I don't apply now, they will take it to me maybe pay the fee now. So I would worry unnecessarily. and. Get about the bad situations than I was the champion in. My then. Over time between two, thousand, twelve and fifteen, and are especially after fifteen readings, some books and having influence from gorgeous. I learned to manage stress and I learned that. Unnecessary spending. Your Energy on worrying will not yield anything. Yes. One hundred clients but are underlines this month but just by letting I will not get it rather. Let it be and do what I'm good at without wearing an it's not easy I tell myself every day but every one in ten ninety days it so happened that I start to worry but then the process of as I said reflecting or day start and then you say What's happening here and asking yourself the question which? How are you feeling now we asked others how do you feel but do we ask ourselves? How do you feed? And that's a very powerful question. How do I feel? And I I'm you don't want to answer a but when you take time and Get a deep you realize this is making the anxious. Why is this making anxious? Or Gay. Off. This. So what can I do about it? I can't do anything about it. Oh. Okay. I've wait select new it. So it's a process it's a journey and it's not easy. It is easy to get frustrated and sometimes we don't get time and the spend is a blessing people to get used to themselves. To being themselves. and. If you take that opportunity, take that chance because we are most of us are not traveling. Most of us. On a working from home so we have those extra hours. Use a few of them for sleeping use a few of them for working the yourself and improving ourselves. This is great. Poon it but not. How can people reach you? How can they find you? How can they call you for counseling and consultation? The best ways to in and finally with my name wounded Matia. Off I'm also on instagram and twitter. And For the traditional. Channels. My email is info I N. F. O. BACK WHEN IT PATIO DOT com. So reach out to me and I can always you. Put it I have one final question. Is there anything else that you wanted to add that's Along the line of work or even your own work. As I said, I didn't bring my old self who had engineered hundred Karlyn Bowman addition and said, this is what Brian would ask. So I had an open mind who have been station which I have had and I think I'm very happy to have spent time with you and be out of your show. So. Thank you so much for having me and thank you so much for launching this podcast because it brings a lot of joy and Lago spontaneity, spontaneous conversation and heart to heart conversations to people. That is my hope and I appreciate it poon it one final question. Why do you work? Why do I, look. I think many elements to it's not just one And it is more philosophy but that's how it is. I'm via living and we all need the money aspect of it. So there's that one reason. But for that, you can do a job you can enterpreneurs you can be whatever. So we all need money to survive. You're always say money's not important but that's one part of it which pays our bills. The second part is I love to help people and that's why consult. I give advice that the second bought and the third is if I don't do anything I, get stale and I will not. Be. Relevant because if you're not growing your dying if you're not acting. It, basically, if you static, the law of inertia comes in rather be in the law momentum keep working working working. So that's another reason. It's those clear reasons. To G my goals, some of which are money related to meet people and help people and also. Do something which fits into those two objectives that as leverage my skills to help people and you might dog it's. Not. Thank you kind sir. You've been scholar, a scholar and a gentleman. Named appreciate your life. You, all the best with issue you do have a heart for people and you have a mind to help us. Thank you very much. Thank you for listening to this episode of why we work with Brian. Short subscribed follow and share with others so they can mean courage. I hope that you have yourself. Productive. Joyful Day. In your work.

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