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The White Book S11E27 439

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The White Book S11E27 439

"He was more interested in the pair that came behind him. The Queen's brothers the. Of casserly rock, the Lion, the IMP there was no mistaking which one was which Sir Jamie Lancaster was twinned Queen Sursee tall and golden with flashing green eyes and a smile that cut like a knife. He wore crimson silk high black boots of black satin cloak on the breast of his tunic. The lion of his house was embroidered in gold thread roaring in defiance the called him the lion of Lancaster to his face and whispered king slayer behind his back. Welcome to the wife of podcast. The original egging Lebron's L. CG podcast originally founded in two thousand ten. To Champs in a trump, we decided to rebrand win the game relaunched second edition. A huge. Thank you goes out fantasy games or Dr Martin for this game world we love and of course to my co host. The listeners pleased. If you enjoy the show, leave us a review on itunes or lab choice comment on facebook threads or even better support us on Adriaan with turning that kind of support back into the Younan. This is season ten of the White Book Art. Tidbit for the listener worse. Yeah. You know other quotes that I considered this week. There's another one year mentioned what? Well if the Price Roberts company is an infestation of Lancaster's so be it and I thought you know that's that's a that's a great collective now known for a group of Lancaster's and. They shouldn't I mean this game was definitely in festival Lancaster's at the point in which. The product we're going to discuss today was printed. So true. So true. Well. In that case, I'm will and I'm Roy. And it sounds like we're diving right into it then right? Yup I think our our plan today is to return to the series that we were working on before. I took a little bit of a break and offer some personal life stuff and talk about the Lions of casually rock the second deluxe box of a game of thrones second edition. Indeed the good stuff the best of box. This is the best box. I have fond memories of this box. This whole process I've tried to be. Candid as I can be This was the first product that I worked as a play tester. At the main group of play testers. After the CORSET. My team of folks joined, of course, testing a little late. But this I helped work on this box from beginning to end and it was the first product that I was. Excuse me like did that with? So I have really fond memories of this product hand. Yep. That's good. That's good. I of course I. I'm pretty sure I've said before I bowed out of play testing after the core set, but the Lancaster lawyer listed me always really wanted this box. To be the best of boxes. I think it was not in the end but when it was released, I had very high hopes. I think there's a really powerful staples and one of the cards that fundamentally transformed the game is in this. Fox. A So I think he ended up turning out. Middle of the road, but on the higher end of the middle of the road boxes So I think it doesn't maybe have. The power level of say, the Beira box or the great joy box but I think the cards are I think of a more consistent power level across the board so I think we hit kind of our goal because it's really hard for Danny, and eight to design because Lancaster was so powerful at the time. And they didn't want to like you know put a bunch of broken in. infested. Further infest the Metro Atlanta. Cards. So, they tried to push them new themes. I'm sure we'll get to those themes and I think they did a great job. I think it didn't end up working out because I think. The the game start the overall power level of the game started going up because of the consequences of the first two cycles that we talked about and the Lancaster box kind of is the last product is designed before this kind of realized and when we get to the third cycle, which I will be the next episode of this we do. Will sort of see that power junk wants Danny takes over full time and there's a realization of where the power level of the game was thanks to tie win in the mountain and rather than lower the because particularly, I don't think we got our first restricted. List until the fourth cycle will does that sound about right maybe the end of the third cycle maybe. Yeah. I was about say maybe the end of the third. I think. I might have to Of. Double. Check what was released in the third Bob Flea bottom was really. that. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. So and let's see Oh but it was card ninety eight. So it was pretty close to the end already inside. Yeah. So I think it was the fourth cycle I. Think in the third cycle, there's an attempt to match the power level is using the restricted list or a ban list if you want to to lower the power level of the game. There's just a detective print cards at the power level of Taiwan in the mountain and other cards. So there's big power I think star in the third cycle, the second cycles the last. Even starts here it does. If we want talk to if we want to talk about a power crews card. There's definitely see but I think this is the last. Box Os practice really designed to with that philosophy of the hangover from first edition. Is. Kind of like where is fully worn off by the end of this product? I think we talked a little bit about there was some attempt to try to keep the power level down which means which meant when they missed. They really missed. Taiwan right is the example but the mountain is another example is tie when the biggest example I just missing entirely I think high school would posit Jamie Lancaster's. The which we're talking about broken. Oh Broken Mrs Broken Mrs I'm talking about like where? Where like there wasn't attempt that we talked about this a lot, right? I several episodes to lower the power level right. But were they missed and the parables highly Taiwian the Mountain Herron Halls Lansner Herron Hall. Ren -ly. Like these they really missed. Like business cards were just so powerful. This product the last one that sort of tries to keep the sick closed and the sort of spinach is broken open starting in the third cycle, which actually one of the things I love about the third cycle we'll get extent. Sure. I got talking about our next episode out of the way, which is a tradition of. These episodes. So we'll where do you WANNA START Well, a traditionally we've been starting with. The release articles and I think we acknowledged this in our last episode of the series But the this article also continues it where. We are seeing shift in articles to being just a marketing vehicle and not a design insight vehicle. We we don't get any commentary here that I see from nate or Danny about the the kind of perspective of this, what is seeking to do expand on or anything, but a will at least say that at this point in that transition I think you can definitely see in in later articles that they get shorter and shorter kind of reveal less but one is still. Despite being marketing, very of verbose at what is here shows off a lot of cards talks about a lot of contents even if it's not necessarily talking about the philosophy behind them. So I think there's still a lot to work with here offhand It really hits on the fact that you're going to get new versions of all the iconic Lancaster family members, it. It also hits on the fact that intrigue mattering. Finding ways to win the game through intrigue is going to be a big focus of this particular release and that it is also a going to push clansmen as a something here as A. Man. What's the the term for magic that I'm spacing out on now? Cycle. no. No. Where you have like all elves irving empires or try try. There we go. Yes it is a magical terminology supported tribe in this set. Yes. which I feel so silly that I forgot because, of course, all the clansman are in tribes literally in in the fiction. So they are literally tribal. Yeah. Yeah. Would have been nice if I remembered that to just go straight to it. and then it does also hit on. The pre established theme of having to cards for all the other factions that kind of play at cross emphasised themes that the main house is GonNa get. So. That's that's the gist of of the article there. Is there anything else you would like to kit from that article or now he started boll is. Besides. Really really hitting your head hitting you over the head with how good sir she is. I think the article that doesn't is nowhere near the scene, the first two or three articles of this we talked about. So yeah, it's worth much more attention. We may just Stephen Stop mentioning them after this one because I think. They become a little less important. To not important at all. Agreed definitely by here we are way way out in the future. But definitely by by the end of the effigy life cycle. They've become little more than marketing blurbs even. so Much to be gleaned. Well. Do we want to start with. Like she's the marquee card and the in the said her interior I guess or the to marquee cards in the sad the elephant in the room. So to speak, she's easily the most powerful and most played card in in this besides the agenda which I think we should end episode talking about the agenda maybe. Because it's So powerful and so foundational to sort the beginning of the second phase of. Second needs to. Never, really thought about it before as being divided into MC, you ask phases but I can I can kind of see that now actually. Talking to his story, I can't help but not like pure today is things I- notoriously to my own life. So I'm telling stories or talk about the past of the my wife like this period of my life compared to this other period of my life she's like you don't have to hear is room. You're not that interesting, which is true or not. But the game of thrones card game is indefinitely I, think rains the rain the post rains era is. Very different than what came before it. and. It's going to push the game actually I. Think. Although I've came to truly hate. Lance terrain spoil her the deck that Kinda crystallize this. But I think overall rains ended up being a pretty positive effect on became. We'll get to that though I think we should maybe say that for the because it's very forward-looking compared to some of this other stuff. So what do you think about this? Well I think she is at and you knew where I was going earlier when I was objecting a a little bit to some of your. Have power level comments that she is the new standard in a lot away from from here on right we've been measuring everything off of Taiwian before this and it's not the time when becomes bad but I think comparatively. This is one that we we look at Sorry one being a seven cost character that they really stuff a lot in to you and that combined package does so much other than. So. Much that you know the Taiwan sort of just economic engine, the sursee now interacts in challenge face so much more in some of that is due to support guards here and elsewhere. But I think one of the other comparisons it really jumps out at me is that they are obviously trying to make that cinematic design nod that Nedley nod to Jamie of the course at right who did neil to attack a military challenges and type of thing here she is his twin on the intrigue challenge, but you can. You can tell they've kinda cranked everything else up a bit more I feel His renown, somehow her reaction and the extra. Strength Buff Really. In a Lotta ways makes her feel more impactful than. Jamie does at at this point. Yes in the core set I think he he was definitely there. But in a lot of ways I think he he has been waning by this point and continues to Wayne. So I don't think that Jamie ever leaves being at least a one axon most challenge is based Lancaster decks. Right? It's depends too. I think one to to like gland crossing. He was always at least one. Like. One or two like I think he remains a staple card like in any challenges based Lancaster deck up to the end of the game in right in some ways that's just a function of him being a body and particularly a unique body for never bet against my family I mean looking at the the crossing example Sursee is three x in that sort of thing right? While Jimmy drops down to one. I mean she's much more powerful than six. Jamie but I think that the six Jamie remains I think a staple answer car I'm not disagreeing with you that this is not over pushed. It's definitely over pushed Underselling just how consistently good the core Jamie ended up being. Okay. That's that's fair. In the wider scope of things I am probably downplaying him but that's just in service of making the direct comparison to his twin here where you can see they are trying to give that nod but they have also pushed her further. Oh. Yeah. I mean I think we can talk about her with Tyrian a little bit because I think while there's two cards I. Think you have to think about this. In context with which one Taiwan, like Taiwan I mean it's quite the course of Thailand. It's quite radically think about it is like looms over this this box and the goal I think of most of the cards in this box is to not be played in a mid range. Taiwian lander based deck. Course at. Times. And tyrian I think are the two attempts to create. Tribal or thematic supported seven drops that you could be like look to try to make sickly say there's like three last archetypes. There is the mid range glance ter-. You'll play the best card in every slot flexible get that early advantage smash people in the face with puts in and and the map which was the dominant strategy when this boxes printed, right? There's an attempt with that. Syrian to build this new I like Agra Ambush -I clansman thema Tyrian. And this intrigue theme, which is somewhat present in the in the core set but. These goals trying to push that? I think would hurian they succeeded. because that Tyrian is only only can be played in the deck that has at least kind of clansman module. Otherwise, you just like. A blank card right I. think he triggers off himself as well. I think, right. Let me read it real quick. If you challenge no, he does not want to challenge you need a Klansman for him to work. Okay. Do Anything. All right. So yeah, he only works at cosmetic this certainty that industry deck never really came together on a competitive level. In like quite the way I think that F F. G. Expected it to I mean obviously, there were certain intrigue but they do at least in the article here talk. More specifically about intrigue as a route to power and the talk about power along in relation to it soy I think it may be didn't come to exactly the point that they were going for but kind of the point next door to that. Yeah and I think the but the problem is she ended up being playable with Taiwan the course at Thailand and I think that's the problem with this card. The fact that she pushes Lancaster crossing to another deck that wall. Frequently, he slid into tier two once it came together, I? Think. Not Too long after this box print it right those crossing decks started to to show up. It never really left the Meta. You know remained the land even when Lancaster was truly everyone was making fun of Lancaster. There were still people who would steal tournament with land crossing. When Mace like the Big Mace Tournament of Gen Con Twenty. Eighteen The bloody members bought land crossing, right? They like they thought that was the best thing alongside probably one of the most broken decks of all time in thrones the Mace Warsak right. So this card really did end up missing because ended up being kind of a pretty decent mid-range. Lancaster card to a bland and powering the lands to rush archetype a lot. So I think this is the most powerful card that's read in this box. And I think she's the one that kind of. is almost too much of a success for her own. Good. Choose spas a Combo. Deck to got about that for a second. Yeah. Yeah. Without that one did not last very long but now I got restricted long with the viper boy. Yeah. Which of course was that I restricted list, right? That was the first restricted list right. So that's like halfway through the fourth psych life think yeah that that that sounds about right. Yeah. So I think if we're talking about a pure design level I I like her. On a play design level I? Think she's a failure. I think she does she's a little too powerful for I think where they wanted her to be. But compared to Tyrian I think Tyrian is all around. A really good success. The. Slaves. Me Cards Are Not. That's where I think his problem is I'm not sure you hit hard enough the comparison of this Tyrian to course Tyrian as well. So I, mean it. Anytime, you have multiple unique stacking up against each other that can be an issue and this this wound up being such a narrow theme while the other Tyrian, had such a broad appeal that was problematic for a number of ECON related reasons that we've talked about at length in the court set up. So. the this one. I mean. Clansman I think was really never more than a novelty like some people enjoy that tribal thing I liked travel stuff. Don't get me wrong but a- as far as kind of. Different aspects of character I think Tyrian was a failure on that front. I disagree with you I think when you take Metro, we knew resolve Tyrian Lancaster in a clansman deck and he does his clansmen thing. I think he's really powerful and really fun. I think he he is always worth looking at the clansman cards and that's what I think. You want from a card like this Tyrian Tyrian, always saying to you. Usually, Oh, a clansman car was printed. Does this Tyrian? Does this get better. But the kinds of cards never got there. Really you know outside of. Excuse me the W, this point. Infamous kitchen table clansmen. Tyrians falls I mean I think everything about this card you know really really reward you for playing clansmen but of course, the support cards do need to be there. And I just don't think that they got. They got there. Maybe if the game gone a little longer, maybe the south. Koreans. Maybe Hano will come up with. Some additional clansmen cards that will make this deteriorate more powerful but I think you're definitely right that the shadow of the five dropped tyrian. You know. HANGS OVER THIS CARD And declines were never good enough that. As a whole package that you know. You wouldn't necessarily play the five drop Tyrian but that was the problem the clan half of you have to judge this Syrian on the whole package because he he is so narrow is dedicated to that package and that is it. That's all he does I guess we're you and I are come from different perspectives I. Guess. I think that this car the clansman packets can suck, but this car could be good. If the class package wasn't din sucked. You know what I mean like I think the pay offs. Of of playing tyrian Lancer is strong enough that if the clansman package is there, he's worth playing, but it never got there. But there are like the drowned God was a great example of this builders was a great example of this where you know. I think. People mocked. Brandon's gift too much at the time they'll never printed builders, but the thing was that card is powerful enough that they print enough builders ethically builders you're gonNA WANNA cheap good builders. It's an amazing card. But without any good abilities garbage I mean and I think that. That's what this tyrian. is in the same space as gift because it's a very narrow card, but we really reward you for going all in on this thing, but is the theme there. When we talked about gift, didn't didn't both of us in the end come down on the side of like that's kind of bad design though to to be in that space where you have to wildly over correct in the future to make it useful. I'd have to go back and listen I, think we disagreed there because I'm definitely more sympathetic to cards that cause you to are powerful because you to distort your deck in a narrow way. Because I don't think gift is actually the problem. The problem will get to the boxes. Abandoned stronghold I think without abandoned stronghold builder's. kind of gets a lot worse. On, a power level. Like it can't win talent challenge on the pets without abandoned journal than Halder but anyway. There we can say that for the night's watch box but I definitely think. That's right. That's where I sort of sit on this Tyrian. Rather. Okay. Well, we may not get much further going round and round on the seven drops here. But should we consider the rest of the family since that was one of the other main selling points or did you have anything you really want to get on seven drops? No I think we're GONNA on seven drops. Do you really WanNa talk about? Like cer- Kevin. Lancaster the. Well I mean we don't have to go. Card by card about them, but again in a general sense. What do we think about the rest of the family I would say. Since you bring Kevin Up, he's just fine he he is markedly less useful than his first edition counterpart but that's I think more a function of the rest of the card pool and him just not having as many new tricks to work with. I think it's just that it's only Marshall Right like what made you? What made other cabinet associated versus? When he died to you got. Imagine. You know you could put Herron Hall to play when you marshalled him or even you could just do this you marshall. You. Kings road into play you use the kings ready to play something else he dies. You put another kings road into play, right? Like that would have been a really powerful game craig play loop with him but you can't obviously do that because he's only when he comes into play and I think that makes it. A lot worse. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and specifically only Marshall. So the other kind of cheap stuff into play not even discounting him leaving play dying or whatever. But the other into play cheating stuff lancaster paces Dez or sorry I never bet against my family herron all that type of stuff. Don't work with him. If you could cheat with those even without the leaves play, then you might might do more interesting things with him but yeah, definitely I think I mean in a world where. We probably are pretty happy that he can't do that. Thing up. Took a long time to get to that. But Herod, Hall. Right now I don't say this this card got North because of Heron, Hall. So yeah. They did we did we did not want you putting Herron hauling to play from the discard pile after a coupla up just just give it a cost restriction on Kevin Yeah. So. What else we got you know Jamie we've got land. So we've got a new Taiwan in here mean for the most part again, the rest of the Lancaster family I think take the the bottom end of the scale that they. They're all too conservative and very narrow in their scope. And Tie when and Jamie of course, need other cards the pool to really get there and. I don't think they've ever got type of. Novelty stuff when people want to make Taiwan work I had Taiwan is so close to being. SHAG CAR THE PERFECT SHAKA CARD Oh. Yeah. If it was. You always got to look at like want like it was. This is this is car that's phrased very much how the rule, the the rules lawyer of the time re like really like template cards. I really hate the temple any on this car I think if. We had gotten into a place where it was always you looked at one additional card whenever you pillage. So Or you discard top part of your opponent's deck so that if you discard three card, you looked at four or whatever. And you picked you know whatever the number of those was from that I. Think this Taiwan would be super sweet but the fact that it only works with exactly one card holds him back. In a way that. Just never quite there and that's so frustrating. Because I do think this is a really cool Taiwan I. think that like a Lancaster Jank. Jack like he is. He's just almost a card that actually makes me really sad. The HANO is redesigning a card pool cards like this to kind of give. them the game part of its charm, right? Because this is like weird and interesting. But not really ever like playable I'd like Jamie Slash. Spike high level competitive way but it should exist in Carpool because it just like you look at it and you just like want to do weird stuff with it. I wish it had been a little bit better templates you could do even weirder stuff. By the I think are success. I think this Taiwian is a really cool card and really successful on that level. While, the Jamie's a giant failure. Like nobody wants to play shaming. And when they do they realize he's not even fun like when you play him right when this Thailand goes off. It's fun right. Well, have you ever gotten this Taiwan d'Estaing It's super far right. During. No No. But we did devote a lot of time with big pile of king scarred came out in what the last cycle and then we realized that virtually none of it works Sir Interacts, with Jamie, where you chunk out like. What is this Jamie do like is just is one of the most poorly designed cards in the second edition Carpool like you so bad. Arguably it could have been. Okay. If the rest of the king's guard that were eventually released played with this same, you know, let's band together slivers type of effect. But none of them too. Well it's also like each night character you control gains around why attacking alone. which is like Oh. Okay and so so incidentally gives this. Sometimes. Yeah okay that that line of Texas find, it's this specific challenges action. Giving an injury icon to A. Kings King scarred character like a lot of the king's guard character and having intrigue icon. thematically make sense because like their jobs to protect the king and most of them aren't you know like good night's. WanNa get to them. Right they're more argument be made that all the king's skirts should probably be tricon except maybe the hound. I mean some of them shouldn't have power I country they actually shouldn't have power concerts since they're supposed to give up their claim to power they should be fighting for the king and protecting the king, right? Yes and no depends on your exact definition of power in in this representation I suppose. But like and it's only just like give kings character intrigue icon. So you're not playing the six cost six for five Jamie who does to challenges and has renown. On. One of those challenges. For the king's guard trae and the ability to give it intrigue I. To Kings Guard character. Four shrink. So he gets like draft like it's just. It's like such just a garbage cart. I will again. I'll spill the t a little bit about played testing. There was a version of Jamie that was super broken. Lasted very long into play testing process. And this, he had to be redesigned the bottom up and this is what the design team came up with and. They did not listen to feedback about how poorly this card was and definitely. Former fulltime white book co host, Aaron Glazer. Still is salty about how this JV turned out. Three or four years later I guess. Years later. Two Thousand Fifteen yeah, so Four or five years later. So it is. It is definitely I I. Honestly GonNa Stick is one of the worst design cards in in the entire Carpal Card Hano. Can Redesign nobody cares about this car there we go. It's definitely one of the most disappointing cards I will say without any qualms. Card that I find. Disappointing. That I was involved a lot in tweaking. Is Keep spy. Which I'll read because I don't know if it ever really saw play which three for three loyal Lancaster intrigue icon only ally spy ambush four after it keeps by just play easy ambush choose a character lower. If you have more cars hand in your characters controller, return it to its owners hand this really powerful and play testing. In originally didn't have the writer. Of If you have more cards in hand controller. At the time I think it was the right decision to put that writer on this card because of Orlando was but I think sitting here at the end of the game. I wish it didn't have that writer I. Think this is a really. Cool effect. I think it's a fair effect because it only works when aunt when when ambushed and I think four gold for mono, con at three strengths. Return print Koster lower character to your. To and and cool flexibility for your own characters. I think is super cool as well. So I think the describes a lot of play to it and I wish that we hadn't added that writer but I think there's a car that really does suffer for how overpowered Lancaster was for its first two years. And really damaged some of its design space for a while site I really wish read pizza, which is a little bit more push, but it couldn't be pushed in its historical context. I think red keeps by is definitely one of the cards I wanted to hit on. Out of this box for Kinda parallel reason, this is one of the best examples of a theme that. Is featured prominently on this card that doesn't stop here and is featured on a number of of Lancaster cards throughout the pool. That is I think. A poorly thought out theme. Because mechanically itself destructive every time you use this. Or something similar to this. It makes it harder and harder to use any of the other additional effects. And that. Just kind of snowballs into a lot of the Lancaster themes. What a What a means specifically here is this keys off of the The signifier or whatever the metric of having more cards in your hand than your opponent. Okay. Great. That makes sense for House that wants to really dedicated to discard and to to intrigue challenges in the like. So theoretically, you should have more cards in hand than your opponent, but but the problem is that this and others also return cards to your opponents hand, which then makes it harder for you to have more cards even if you discard for intrigue since you've returned something hand. And then discarded for instance will net. They're not down anything. In this time period and arguably still today Lena Stir does have some of the worst draw available to. Right, like this was a time period when Lancaster was still playing double-counting coppers because it was so starved for any other draw in time was making it a four gold plot. Let's not forget well. Right, right but what that means is it's even harder for Lancaster to really keep that hand advantage that they're generating through these entry challenges. Without even adding effects with this theme to it other houses as a as a general rule would outpace them on draw. Lancer just had to make like harder us out of the the beefier characters that it had, which don't get me wrong. It was doing a good job with but that meant that cards like. Totally like broke that loop such the like they never became effective because they destroy themselves it just. It's very weird. design, is you hear the that just makes me think this was not like fought through and compared to how this would work or interact with the rest of Lancaster's themes and pool, and again, this is not the only one. This is just a prime example it's prime example. I think the problem was it was a really. Good effect on Queen's assassin, right? because. That's a really powerful effect. Well, it doesn't return hand, right? But I think the problem was I wish more of these effects had been for some added spice. So of like red keep spy was return A- character with protocols to or lower if you have more cards in your hand opponent three cost, right if it was, you got an additional advantage for having more cards. You know what? I mean well, like I think that's where it should have been. It should have been like some spice to increase a good effect or okay effect but if you push. Autocracy deck you push intrigued Dak you play without his beard. You play these garbage cards you get this additional stuff but when you top deck which keeps by when you know your opponent when you've you know when you're behind It still playable card like that's the problem with of so many of these cards. And the effect on so many of them is not Quite assassin. Good right. Like queens assassin was extremely powerful and of course at and in many ways could was extremely powerful. Lancaster tradition. Up to presidents like he can really any new worlds earlier this year, it can really get people in narrow boards You know like a Lanny Wolfe style attrition deck of cards still does work but I think the design space of that is being the primary way you get the. You get the effect. There's not actually a lot of design space for all the reasons you said. So I do really wish that design had pushed it into more of a an additive effect verse where you kind of see that kind of effect in other card games it has to be you know if something's hard to pull off but it's a theme, you tend to make it. Added on right like you get to draw card. Play. This character get a card. If you have this, you get some you know you get a whole big thing. There's you know for example, there's a magic card that describes cards of your pun stack. If you kick it, you get to do half their deck instead right? Like that kind of effect right where where these things may get kick. It is pay an additional cost is kind of like Postel. You. Back kind of thing and I wish that was designed space that we'd figured out but we didn't. And Design and Definitely right. I think we can't escape some of this stuff without talking about Tina me meriwether who up with Halder is. One of the put a limit on it. Quote our friends at Banter. cards which she seems because of way in which. Events, you know they cost gold second edition. I, think everyone include myself as a play district believed that that was itself like a limiting factor. But I don't I don't I I mean I'll just say play dusters didn't appreciate that you could build a deck so all in on building of on on. On these on event effects and pay for event affects and one event you murdered her children, play multiples of them on someone that you could just turn to your deck so fast and so efficiently that she was dangerous. So she should definitely be like Max, one per phase or maps. They'll limit one per surveys limit twice around or whatever. But we can't escape without talking about her she is going to break the game open. She's going to be A. He piece of of Combo decks for. A good long while. of course, I at this point though I don't know what else to add to that analysis of her other than I suppose maybe she does also run into the other angle I was hinting at there previously with Lancaster that they continue to not actually get card. Advantage type of effects scar drawing the like right this. This is extremely good filter. But. They're not game cards so. Here's where I disagree with you. I think Looting. Right. This is looting which is draw card, and then discarded card I think is a great lancaster seem like I think that that is one of I. Think they'd I wish we had more like that like I think I mean ECON card is printed? I think that that's actually good space for Lancaster. So if you're not gonNA give Lancaster Card event like the best draw giving them the filter I, think. Is Pretty a pretty good replacement I think once they realized. That's what they're gonNA do and we see that towards the end of the game I think Glenn starts getting a little better. Yeah Later. I didn't necessarily mean that it's a bad theme. I was just going to say that that that's still kind of a hangover from I. Add Right Orleans did it all it had had the draw and the income and and so on. So you you can tell they are still trying to really watch that year and give them just hard court advantage. Is actually rummaging. I, think because you discount. Yeah Yeah, you're right looting discard after you draw. Anyway Anymore. Parts worth talking about before we get to the non cards. I mean Lena's Sport Guard. Kind of falls into that same. Eddie glassock. Card. It Yeah it's a neat concept, but it's another one of those ones where you are giving your opponent cards, which means that it's harder for you to keep more in your hand. So I liked the fact but in play, it doesn't quite work out. I've seen Tom Lucci play this card in tournament waiting Dachshund if the losers doing it that it's got to be a card. In some in some context. So as it was Egypt making friends by giving everybody a card because that's a great. No Jousting Atlantic cracking down. So. Just car it's. This is I mean I think I. Think we did a whole episode of talk where we talked about this card a lot right discard is really good if you have faith that your deck. Is better than your opponents deck and I definitely think there were times when Lancaster, you could truly believe lander player that talk to your deck was better than his apartment stack on the overwhelming majority of the time. The power level of your cards were there compared to theirs? Particularly if you behind, you were just much willing to see a new card and create a body. And that character. Pundit Especially at the time period, this came out at. They. Still had very good bang for their buck. By on. This. Yeah Oh. Jah failures of location spot. Lots of mountains of the moon, which is again, one of those cards that definitely makes you play last play Klansmen. You Go. Well Lancaster. DRAWCARD claims apply for entry challenge if you buy five or more strength draw two cards for God's status losing cards his or her hand in Saving Scheme Yup Yup. And yet. Never saw plan it never did which is interesting. I mean getting them down to know cards at all I. Mean it's very hard. So that point it's basically win my divert and pay one draw one card, which is not good return. Especially now, when you've got such a strong density of other threat cards that you could just be planning so that you could just have it in your hand instead of the insidious scheme hoping to draw the other card. Yeah I mean cards the. Cards that drawcards at a cost that don't provide an additional benefit tend to not be good at thrones. Right. So you know compare this to the car ended up getting restricted in stark that gives insight but also give stealth. I accept played against it so many times. I am no, I have no one right I. Have No one is a card that requires you to shoot draw cards, but it provides some way for you to do that. It also makes them not kneel to attack. Yes, we bright. It does a lot that one. Trying to think of other cards. But that kind of card can see play. And then of course, just cars is draw a card like. Dorin. Martell one call secret. Schemes. Secret schemes right. While nominally has some limit of the number of plots used pile. So it doesn't work like unlike term or whatever. But you can just draw the cards right I mean this card suffers from the fact that it just gives you no way for you to trigger it like. So you have to win by five to to to basically cycle it and Gough one card For cards if your. Hand then it's like really busted, but it's still. Behind it's not in a position to catch you up at all. Right would the way in which even I am no one if you draw, I, am no one in a character, the cost of your less. Maybe you maybe you can make it. I've actually seen that save. A save start crossing players right secret schemes is, of course, obviously a great car to draw when you're when you're behind. But discards not. It's just not none of Atlanta stir win more card. Even. If on the surface, it looks cool and has good art. Yeah. So you WanNa talk about the non stark or non excuse me Yeah the the Non Lancaster Guards. His is all good except her I think every faction has a good one except for Nice Watch. y'All have seen me I. Remember Even Seen Bridge of skull play and it definitely sees per in Malay. Yeah. It's still not that great. Well. Yeah, I mean I I'm not a big fan of. Watching mail anyway. But it's it's a thing. I mean. I Guess Trista would see Edrich staple bratty pro I mean I think he's still was in many breath index to the game. Disputed claim. Is. Also Pretty Stapley and then of course, became very strong in the Baruch Kodak Vic. Card. So busted that they could that they printed. Version of be that was more busted. I figured most of our non Lancaster talk would just be about, vic? I mean there's not a lot to say about vic he's busted. He's. Wildly efficient while we're talking about these character curves in with the latest stuff. We arguably should have been talking about Victorian packs so much in for that that really does he I mean the sad thing I mean it's just hard to remember how card this card was because his seven version has seen so much play. I mean I lost a lot of games to intimidate and run out. For a long time because if you don't remove him immediately, he's just never going to leave the board. I'm yeah. I mean could between his own save and What is it called risen? I remind which was like little. Like. I did beat this card though wants to win the largest ever one. So I was Happy to beat Mike Borough. At Winds of winter twenty, eighteen plane-builders. This Guy Victorian definitely does not like craven he really doesn't do. Raymond. But Yeah. Oldwick also, this is the drowned God staple. that. They had to fix. Tristan saw some play. He's one of the weaker cards. Definitely. interesting. You murdered children the Combo Card to end all Combo cards for that Hyper Viper Card. If. You've ever lost to like four thousand strength. My of the key Combo pieces in this box for the two different combos Yup. And then the terrible night's cards sweep Donald Hill, which was very strong play testing got nervous to. All Hell. And I think he was originally while he was standing. Each attacking character lost all keywords. So it's pretty brutal it was pretty. That way. Bridges Causes Garbage. Then I actually think the star cards are so well designed in this in this box. They're solid. Last. Concert is the best silver bullet ever put in there. Well, I was GONNA say the last house skirts wow. I can't talk last hearth scouts. There we go is a one of the cards here that stands out to me the most in the Non Lehner houses and the next one is literally the next card in the pack. So I'll come to him in a sack but Last hour scouts definitely kind of and went, but it was definitely a really well placed pressure valve kind of sleeping in waiting to come back in as soon as shadows made its. Reappearance in the game So despite hating played against it I, really like it isn't the Meta. It is a again the best silver bowl. It's not even syllables the best card in thrones. Yes. A four for four body. Is Fine like. It's like my dad, if you just need to top deck of character, this is a character with decent costin to strike ratio into odds. And just beat certain tax. Like just beat them. Up. To the point of the game ended like. And that was good like I. think that last Husker was as you said a good a good escape and it was you know play it was beatable. It was beatable as like a lanny shadows you could just valor it away right Yeah like or you could. Kill it with. The, kilkare right or Trish in through it or yeah. It's an eminent. It's a very fair. Hey Card like unlike exposed implicity or something, which you could just be you if gets twenty cards that are in shadows or whatever and. This one while definitely could beat you and I was definitely playing like. Particular flea bottom, we'll get to this. This was very brutal against bottom. It. Could it could could you know power level is exactly right I I this is probably up there as one of the best design cards I think. Might be. One of the best out of pure. Isn't the Best Design Card box? You might. It might be it's really close if it's not. Trying to think of what's better actually. Maybe. Forced looking at maybe. Maybe our last big range Casamayor. ocean road. Also up there I don't like design level. Yeah It's it's up there and Jane is also really good. I, think. She's a really well designed card as well. The Star cards are just. So wonderful. So, you want to say Nice things about Burston. I. Guess Sort of what I wanted to do was draw attention to A. In previous. The non. House, Cards. The other seven factions, not not necessarily neutral but the other seven faction cards. Have very clearly run counter to the themes of the main feature house, but the the Lancaster box here does shake that up some These are the only two that I would say are explicitly running counter to any lancaster themes. Honestly, even implicitly I don't I don't really think any of the others. Are particularly interacting with with lanny themes at all just these two here which I found interesting to see that kind of move to the wayside. I mean, I don't think. Yeah. I mean me kind of On Lancaster as kind of like if Lancaster's emptying your hand, he's good but I think he. Could, adjust. He definitely definitely runs counter to lanny's goal. He doesn't stop them from doing it or punish them from it, but he does give you a nice benefit if they've enacted their game plan. This card head renown in play testing for a long time we need. Yeah. which actually kind of. The kind of always. Kind of just made berry a little, just awkward you standing all the time. But. He's Doing a lot beside you. You play 'em with this. Jamie. So he's got renown and then you only challenge with this Berson and no no he doesn't even have the king's guard trade or Queen Guard traits you can't even get an injury guy caught. You can't do the entry just the Brennan. Yeah, he gets when attacking along with his four strength, right? Now standing when you win for. Great. Great. Great Card. Yeah. Yeah nearby, Barry he's. He's a solid solid card. So I guess the last one I mean like airy tyrel is a staple of tyrel. What are? The number of I think she was almost always in every tyrel deck I built for a long time. She's one of the most powerful search. Cards. and. then. I WanNa talk a little bit better I. Really. Really, wish that this car. There's a part of me that feels like this card should've seen way more play. It's it's just such good card selection it it didn't house. It's. Just, a wash in this election tax. If. That was in like Lancaster is that was just straight up Lancaster card I think it would have seen much more consistent play. I think if it said, it was I. Think I don't think I don't think it wouldn't chapman challenges I think it's because it's an action. I don't know in the challenges when you're looking at Laney with a bunch of ambush and and or hair hall. Now Lions Star type effects. I could definitely see myself digging three cards down to find somebody to drop into challenges. That's proven incorrect because lanny rose was a competitive type for a long time and did not play this car. Like Jim made public. made it. Really well known in yourself to the lanny or sorry to the tyrel banner, which I think does change the makeup of the deck. If this was just a hard latest or card and I'm not already dropping twelve slots on tyrel stuff I think that changes some of my debt construction math made easy but I think were there twelve? Tarot cards you were thirsty to play in that deck and China remember definitely. No, I just made. The commitment to twelve is pushing out other stuff. If I WANNA play this now than I have to do lanny rose, which means I'm devoting twelve cards of my deck to this. If it was a hard landing card, I'm devoting three cards to it. That's fair. I'm just more thinking. Gee I. was just trying to think what? TYREL cards. Did you WANNA play in the neck you definitely want to play. Stanley Randy. Friendly's ride. The Night of flowers. Nine. What were the other ones? Maybe left and right they're not loyal right They are not. Maybe, it was left and right. Who I'm not sure try to remember I don't remember what Fedex package of Tarot cards was but. Anyway I. Just this is a card that always struck me as like. It should be better than it is it's because it's the challenge action I think. Because that's like a long time to wait to use the car unless you specifically hit an event or an ambush character. Or, your Combo and you can afford to wait to turn. This is like a marshalling action. It would be too good. Yeah. It'll be real. Good. Now. Maybe. This is too dangerous to be good probably. I'm anything about the neutral cards that are not A. The reins. And I think everything else is pretty middling right? We get a couple other pressure valve cards like devout free rider we get some some. Okay if. Ding plots Another cars meddling I was gonna say we get another eventual Combo piece in little fingers Madelene. We get fairly stable income plot in time of plenty. And then the cool hard expected delay which ended up being much cooler than I thought the. This wa- mccart there's a car wanNA pushed hard in play testing and it ended up being cool and yeah. Fall Dak as a bad what was the came back in the in the PAC what was the name of the car similar effect to this? First Edition Oh searching detained, searching attain although the thing I hate about I expected delay is you so unintuitive with WHO's the first player like it stuff like that that I really tend not like. Like. That you can choose the same as just makes it worse if you're not I, just really don't like that specific thing I know some people do, but it just can get people in a way that I think can kinda be unfair just because they don't know the INS and outs of the rules perfectly. it does seem like the effects of this nature would probably have have been better to say on them like after the challenge faced begins the first player chooses a character without attachments or power Dan each. Other, player clockwise from there whatever I surely, there's something less wordy than the way I just like they have to pick different characters. Yeah. Like. So that, you don't get screwed and big can stuff but maybe that'd be too strong. I don't know. But I just yeah. It's just one of those things I don't like. Time. Plenty the theme a time of Plenty for the joke thanks Sean Emberley that I will live with forever Yeah I want affection for this card. And definitely do a lot of discussion. About the nature of card advantage card that is similar to maybe it was time plenty that we were. Talking about a lot instead of. A. Instead of the sport, guard? Guard. But we're getting along with this. So why don't we talk about rains? Sounds good. This was our. Was this our first new champion card in second. Just repent. I I was thinking so too. It was definitely the card tested in argued about the most. I could see that this definitely reads like one that began very ambitious and and had to kind of be. Massaged but didn't want to be massaged. Too far down and it definitely wasn't as we. But yes, it was much more power it. It was basically something like. A combination of. Rain as we know it with wars to come I guess you could say. Will there we go? Just, want. Originally, but it was a very, very powerful. But it ended up in I think a place that. This is I. Think what the? Classic. Mid Range Agenda for a long time Oh. Yeah. For a long time like once it was printed it was lancaster than gray joy. Then night's watch trying to think about other decks. The great joy was the thing Gregory rains. I think. I mean I think it showed end up showing that I think where we wanted this to be was you like really go? All in. On this effect, but to really build your deck around getting this off. And that initially, some of those rains decks were that, but then they realized that it's just. A. dish. Inal challenge phase interaction right. versus something you really build your deck around and that's where you see the great joy and the night's Watch Ranger Katherine Lancaster because they have so many good green icons kind of never fully got away from that but that was a bit more incidental. That it could consistently do that. But for the other factions stark rains for example, is another one member start brings Combo. I do I played that. A Had forgotten about that that was sweet cat combos start graves. Good. It just incidentally played rains right? Attempts to make it like a real intrigued act like Lancaster decks that went all in on or Martell rains kind of always floated around that a little bit too much like focused on that instead of just viewing this as a form of challenge phase interaction that you didn't need spend. Draw. DECK SPOTS ON. That's where greater rains that's where nightwatch rains that's where stark rains really came in and showed the power of this agenda as the ultimate region. Besides, I guess wars wars just the ultimate agenda. The ultimate. Yeah. one thing I really liked about this agenda Especially thinking about what it was like when this box was released is I think a lot of us were kind of down on agendas in second edition that they had seemed really kind of tame straightforward kind of color by numbers not affects that really shook up a a design or showed what you could do with that sort of space and then Bam rain dropped on us and I think one hundred percent did that. Blew up a lot of expectations of how agendas could function i. mean this was even very different effect in comparison to what agendas did in first addition So this this really I think caused a lot of people look at the game and what was possible and decks in a new light and I really liked that. Yeah absolutely I mean we're sweet summer children though because like Lord of the crossing sitting there telling us that. It's the best in a Powell is the agenda ever printed besides wars? I mean we got like remove wars from consideration I guess sleazy a blood too. But what does he blake rains customer? is to blame foreseeable. We'll get to that in a second. But. Yeah I agree with you I. Think it did this did have an effective freshman it up. A Lot. I think. Some of the problems that Raines had without me getting like really going after this agenda because I've said some really nice things about it but I also want to go after it for some bad things that did to the game I think some things that army. Schemes never really got broad enough for rain to be interesting. like when this was first printed like rain 's. Dick Except Lancaster because it got the extra one because its plot with both of its plot schemes. Now, just just as one of the first second was a scheme. I. Think the only other faction that had that was tyrel right was. Tie Rows also scheme. I, believe. So yes. So every other rains Dak had the same plots and that was really dull. And I mean the fact that there are some plots, it never laughed Raines is kind of a failure of the. Carpool. That it's kind of stupid like be honest like there was definitely. Rains, got so good for so long that they got scared to print good schemes. Which is kind of funny I mean it's a classic thrones designed trap right And that kind of held rains back for a while, and then towards the end, they started printing some coal schemes and rains interesting again. But I, think that's problem. Things I really hate about Raines. Is I will not be an episode without complaining about one challenge. ICON. Affects. Particularly ones that can really swing a game. This is just a more polite version of Sea of blood. There were definitely times that you played certain, DAX? And you just had five intrigue icons in the deck and not because you didn't want intrigue icons in your deck but because you're faction had five intrigue icons that were playable. And if you draw one of those five intrigue icons. In the first Turner to. Raines player got to do whatever the heck they want it. And that was really frustrating. That was really frustrating play experience. And then even if you did draw one but they were playing tyrian. And they could sell pasture one intrigue. ICON. There was nothing you can do about that and let it a lot of really interactive games where the interaction was entirely on one side and it was the reins player being able to leverage the fact that they have more green icons and you to just get to just snowball in that same lancaster effect that could happen with. Put to the sword later. See a blood. And then this plot or this agenda is also responsible for Danny getting in his brain that he needed to do a cycle of these agendas where each. Challenge, type got. Out of power level with rains of cashmere, and that gives us the absolute garbage to the Sea of blood. Up there with like shouldn't have been printed up there with wars. which doesn't have the excuse of being a champ lot champ plot for being too powerful the way which reigned in Moore's us, and of course, the fact that. The president was promised is the most balanced of the three. I guess rains at this point. But. The fact is the one that had the biggest least impact and still dominated entire summer of competitive play or plus right that was gen con. Last year was the great prince decks. was, the one that Tom won be Dan in the finals. Okay couldn't remember nine, hundred eighteen now. No eighteen year of. Mace. Oh Okay yes. Yes. That was my bachelor party and we all played the whole answers. And nineteen was you're my weddings? We didn't have the money to go to Jan.. Twenty. Twenty Jenkin. Happened Online. The feels like a long time ago twenty eighteen. But It was not. That, long ago that. That's a huge problem. And I think that. I really beg whoever the design team is this Hano or the South Koreans or Any. Meta that wants to make their own hearts. Please be careful when printing these mono colored effects. These motto. ICON, effects their extremely sweetie. They lead to really on Interactive Games and the harder you push the more likely you are to break the game. Rains of cast Amir broke the game it ended up being fixable. See a blood broke the game. It wasn't a fixable like you had to be banned basically. You know. There's a reason why it was a mirror at the last worlds and I still. That was coming for and there were decent answers to the deck in that room. But st obliged was still able to battle through and have a mirror that finals despite the fact that everybody painting a target. On the tried but gosh and I may be my memory may be betraying me but at the time didn't we kind look at Everybody's matchups in the the final decks had not been just slammed by tech matchup's in the in the run to the finals. It didn't and also the mummers plus Francis the kind of. I mean, it was really impressive what Alex and Francis in t and did. Where they tacked that deck to be able to valor itself, turn one and not lose. Was Really smart like it was I think one of the most brilliant deck building decisions that section never saw. Bakassi let them for example, Nice Watch flair, and steal if you set up. What's his name cloudiness? You beat see a blood, right? They couldn't get any get anything off for the first couple of turns right as long as you said, Clyde us and like one other character up nightwatch flaring steel ran over see a blood. But if they could just valor Clyde his way and not set themselves criminally behind. Whatever you win? That's how I saw the happened multiple I happen to me. It happened to many other nights players, other people who were just not expecting a turn one valor adept. That's built to turn one dollar. Is really rare and it's not something you learned to play around. Right? Like. Oh, not at all. And the fact that they were able to do that was really smart and was something they were prepared to do and they ready to do. They were practiced to do and that's where they ended up both ended up in the files they deserved it. But I think that see a blood. Effects like that are really powerful rains customers an example of it like we have to remember how dominant it was laney rains major rains. A Nice Watch rains and the fact that trains remained a good deck for a long time. Even when builders was around shows you again, the power graduate rains was until they played in principle promise. Great Joy rain was always up there as powerful. Great Joy Dak I mean it was but in a lot of ways didn't it just switch to rains after wars was restricted. Yeah. Yeah. I mean again I mean Lord I I think some of that particular lead the great joy example has to do more with the Great Joy card pool than rains south. Now yes. Because great joy. Doesn't have a huge amount of challenge phase interaction. The complaint naturally, that's why I love seeing blood to. Right. So the fact that it. Gets. You know the fact that you know first off, you have Taiwian who that's I'm sorry you're on who is your strength intrigue icon with renowned then you have a big. WHO's a intrigue big inching icon with Stealth? Right those who remarkably could carry you pretty far and the thing is great. Joy frequently only needed one rains trigger right to get them back in the game or to close a game. Right the ability to like. OUGHTA. STEALTHIER INTRIGUE ICON SLIP into wildfire, you go down to three characters they're smaller than my characters. I have. The victim, this box something else now I go into a military vic neal's your power you're icon. So you can't hit crack me back and then I went to power challenge off you and that's the game is flipped right because you did abroad wide board to keep up with my tall characters will now they're all gone right stuff like that or God help you when they flipped into rent wedding on you and then suddenly you know Vic's coming at you and intimidating one character while killing you out God Great joy wants that kind of challenge face interaction and that's what I think rains again, wide state. So powerful is it offered. Challenge. Phase interaction at no draw deck cost. You have anything more you WANNA say about it will. Now I mean I think we we've really. Ranged pretty far and wide. Both on raise cast mirror and on the the box as a whole. I think we covered a lot of ground. Go. As I think we did a lot of Yeah. I might say we mom trying to with a pun but I can't I can't. I can't come up with. Dang Yeah give me a general category. I'm raining on my own parade here. Oh well done real. I'd get there. I knew I'd get there. Yeah. Thank. You. was that an zone will. That was better than the danger zone. I how well okay. Was It as good as Kenichi you, bitches. Nothing will ever be that. Good. so Not. That he's listened to this at all Oh God. No. I'm willing to bet on that without telling him to listen to this. There's like less than five percent chance that Kyle will listen to this on I will want up you to that it or up you on that it probably only goes up to five percent if I tell him to listen to it. Maybe, if you tell Danny to tell him to do it then maybe. there. That is far more likely to get done. So yeah, and then you tell Santana do it. Then he's getting it from two different angles. Three different angles than you know just like a thirty five percent do yeah which really that's that's as good as we could ever hope for. New. To. One. He was more interested in the pair of the came behind him. The Queen's brothers the Lancasters of Castro rock the lion and the IMP there were no, there was no. Keep that. All right I'm. All right. Three. To. One.

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Game of Thrones:  What to Wear When Winter is Coming, pt. 1

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Game of Thrones: What to Wear When Winter is Coming, pt. 1

"Hi there I'm Zach Braff. Donald face on we're real life best friends. We met playing fake life. Best Friends Turk and J D on the Sitcom scrubs twenty years later. We've decided to Rewatch the series one episode of the time and put our memories into a podcast. You can listen to it home. We're going to get all our special guests friends like Sarah Chalk John C Mcginley near Flynn. Judy Reyes show Creator. Bill Lawrence Editors Writers and even prompt masters would tell us about what inspired the series and how we became a family. You can listen to the podcast. Fake Doctors Real Friends with Zach and Donald on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. And wherever you get your podcasts guys. It's bobby bones. I host the Bobby won't show and I'm pretty much always sleepy because I wake up at three o'clock in the morning a couple of hours later I get all my friends together but we get into a room and we do a radio. Show with your allies. We tell our stories. We try to find as much good in the world that we possibly can and we looked through the news of the day that you'll care about also your favorite country. Artists are always stopping by to hang out and share their lives and music too so wake up with a bunch of my friends. I Ninety eight point seven. W M Z Q in Washington DC or wherever the rotates you on the iheartradio APP just. The history of fashion is a production of iheartradio with seven billion people in the world. We all have one thing in common every day. We all get dressed. Welcomed addressed the history of fashion a podcast that explores the who what went of why we wear we are fashion historians and your host. Cassidy Zachary and April Kelly Ham. So can you feel it casts that nip that frosty bite that Arctic? Chill in the air. I can April. It's spring outside but I am freezing. Yes because this just might be our coolest episode yet Pun fully intended there because as you have already guessed. Winter is coming but dreadnought listeners. I think this episode will actually be a delight. Several of you have asked for an episode on. The game of thrones costumes. Ever since we started the podcast three years ago and alas as I am such a huge fan. I just wanted to make sure that I had the time to vote to this to make sure that we got it right and some might say that a little bit of extra time on my hands lately and April as you already know we are also huge game of thrones fans here at the Zachary Garcia household from the very first season. Sean I have been in awe of the creations of costume designer. Michelle Clapton and her team. As some of our listeners. Probably Recall I've worked as a costumer and designer and film for the past twelve years and you would not believe the incredible amount of work that goes into this entire process of each and every costume on this show from the design process to creation to getting it in front of the camera and then maintaining it for possibly an entire season of shooting which I think is anywhere from six months to a year. I am constantly in awe of the thought craftsmanship and share that occasion that went into creating what is arguably the most elaborate fantasy world. Ever to grace's screen whether that be for film or television or maybe we should even say world's plural because from Esso's to West rose from door and king's landing and the north. Each of these fictional lands have their own unique style which is born out of their history culture and climate so whether that applies to the architecture of their surroundings or the materiality color symbolism of their clothing. The game of thrones world is so immersive and meticulously crafted that it's easy to just kind of fall into the story and suspend your disbelief that this wasn't actually real. All you know I mean it always just felt so so authentic and that is thanks in part to all of the back story that informed each and every creative decisions that that applies to set applies to costumes and various things otherwise and as Michelle Clapton. The costume designer for seven of the eight seasons of game of thrones has noted she says quote from the start show runners. David Desma off and Devi. Weiss felt that the series should not feel too fantastical so early on. We decided that there should be a logical reason behind every decision yes and today will highlight some of those decisions looking into the nuances and costuming me that you know we might not all have picked up on when we are watching it and the GOP costumes are chock full of symbolism and for shadowing inherent to each character's unique story arc rage joy revenge and familial loyalties and feel teas are all lovingly stitched into the clothing they wear and this is the part where before we go any further. I have to issue a major spoil. Alert wiler alert spoiler alert. Because if you have not seen gave a thrones in its entirety full morning some of the things that we are definitely going to talk about today are GonNa reveal plot points that you might not know about yet so please proceed at your own risk friends because we're not holding anything back we are going all it. Okay that being said cast before we get to individual characters costumes. I'm hoping that we can touch ever so briefly on the logistics of creating this series. Because as you all know what a massive undertaking a production of this type was it was filmed in Croatia. Spain Ireland Iceland Morocco Malta. So basically obsession level planning was essential. Yes Clapton has actually said in the press that before each season prep for the Wardrobe Department would begin approximately three months before filming. Which honestly does not seem like nearly enough time to me making this feat of costuming even more remarkable some period films April. Begin prepping a year in advance because there are so many factors to consider Michelle's team depending on where they were in. Production process could consist of anywhere between seventy and one hundred people and this includes any number of specialists collaborators like leather and metalworkers which is incredible armers making custom armor jewelers. Many of whom worked from the workshops and Belfast Ireland. Where ninety nine percent of the costumes were created not to mention weavers caste because many of the textiles used were actually original designs woven specifically for one single costume and they even had their own loom at the Belfast Studio which is pretty incredible right also incredible after say the embroidery which there is copious amounts of over the course of the series and some of the most elaborate and gorgeous embroidery. Was the Work Michelle character. You can do yourself a favor and Google game of thrones embroidery and plenty of images as well as Michelle characters. Website are gonNA come up and I'm just going to say. Prepare TO BE GOBSMACKED and I've also spoken to Michelle character and she's currently working on a book which is due to be released next year and tentatively. She has already agreed to join us to chat about that when it's released so. I'm super excited for that. Yes absolutely Michelle. Please join us to chat about your upcoming book. We would absolutely love that. Okay April. Where do we even begin our journey into the costuming of Geo t I know right Maybe at the beginning and I say that because you and I are vote very familiar with doing research for the podcast as well as the books that we written and I'm sure that journey was no different at all for Michelle Clapton and her team absolutely and Clapton has written that she. I immersed herself in research saying I began studying how people lived in various climates. Historically I looked at clothing from cultures around the world over many centuries Japanese Flemish Siberian Afghan Iranian Persian native American to name a few when searching for inspiration for armor I focused on Renaissance Byzantine Samurai ancient Roman and ancient Greek designs. I studied folk culture and tribal mythology in the end. She says you know nothing could look like. It came from any one specific historic era. Gop is harder in a way because you have to make it up and yes this is a fantasy world that like you said April needs to feel real and I would say she was pretty successful in that. Yeah for sure. So so if you're thinking how does this episode about a fantasy world relate to the tangible in real life history of fashion and dress? Well it absolutely. Does you know quite a lot of Clapton's designs were inspired by historic dress from around the world. And from that starting point she willed her considerable skill to create entirely new aesthetic for each land or culture that was featured in this series and there are some clues in the books for any of our listeners. Out there who might not know. Game of thrones is actually based on a series of books called a song of Fire and ice by George R R Martin and in the books. Martin does give some description of certain things like color palettes sills of each house or ruling family but largely Clapton was responsible for developing Martin's limited textual references into this entire aesthetic vocabulary. And just a side note here April. You mentioned the term schedule by that. We mean symbol or emblem officially the definition of essential is an inscribed or painted symbol considered to have magical power sill or a sign or symbol and these schedules are omnipresent in the costuming of game of thrones characters. You're going to hear US use that term a lot throughout this episode there particularly prevalent in the ones who are invested in the power struggle for the iron throne as you know there are nine main ruling family histories woven into the series each with their own style vernacular. Yes and perhaps we should do a quick rundown of the symbols or and Color Palettes of some major houses quickly and efficiently. Speaking here. We go the North Color Palettes Brown largely but the ruling stark family also incorporates blue. And this is because Clapton discovered that the Dogwood tree temperatures natural blue dyestuffs from its bark and so she incorporated a clear light blue until the start characters. Wardrobes as they lived in a heavily forested region. The family schedule is the wolf. Though Lancaster's house is the lion often rendered in gold ground of red awhile established house from the south. The warm color Palette for the Lancaster airs more on the side of jewel tones much like other southern family clans. The House tyrell schedule is a golden rose on a greenfield whereas sizzling color. Palette of Dorn was inspired by both Indian and Moroccan sensibilities Clapton has remarked quote. I loved designing the costumes worn by the people of door and the door. Niche are hot tempered and Brash. With a disdain. For Convention they embrace a wide spectrum of sexuality and many have children with their lovers out of wedlock. It is such a radically different culture. It was extremely important that viewers immediately realize that this was entirely separate from the capitol. I wanted the doors dresses to look barely there. As though they could be worn without underwear and slip off at a moment's notice. I mean seriously. Dohrn was one of my favorite regions or lands in the entire series. You could basically just put anything any of them. Were wearing into my closet and I would be real happy about that and we will talk about. Dorner stress a little bit further in detail in a while. Then we have. The House of Tar. Garin needs little introduction to their scheduled for anyone who has even seen a single episode of game of thrones. It is of course the dragon and one of the main leads of the Entire Series Of course Aka Khalidi Aka Danny target area in the color story. Which is embedded dance costumes? Very much follows her character. Arc perhaps more so than any other character over the course of its eight seasons and like you said about Dorner April. I think we will discuss classy sartorial journey and more details when we focus on her specifically and as one of the main characters. She had a lot of screen time so she had a ton of costumes to talk about on average cast. Clapton has said that she was responsible for designing around a hundred and twenty costumes per season for the lead characters and this doesn't even remotely include the secondary characters and extras for whom her assistant designers and other members of her team are responsible and Clapton says quote. The whole goal from the start was not to make this a costume drama. It's not velvet dresses and pretty things all the time. When you watch it you really believe you could be there. These are real people with foibles and they and it's not doctored is not sanitized and CASS. Given your professional history. I bet you know a whole lot about this. So talk to me about the role of agers and dyers in film and TV costuming and real quick. I just WanNa say to when when you mentioned all dressing all of those background characters for every scene costumers are usually one of the first departments to be on set so those customers are probably getting there at two or three. Am in the morning on those big days. And they're usually the last one of the very last departments to leave so Kudos to the hardworking costume. Department on game of thrones so aging dying. I am not in dire but I have done it. It's really an art form. It's highly specialized skill that people really spend years and years and years honing. My first experience was on Terminator Salvation. Which I don't know if you've seen me. But you know post apocalyptic so it was like here. Here's a shirt out. Rip IT TO PIECES RIGHT. Make it look old and aged and so. I did and then it was like okay. Well now you need to recreate that three more times. So that's kind of the interesting part about aging and dying. And what makes it such a skill? Is that not only? Are you ripping something to shreds your then recreating it over and over again and dying also? Is this highly refined art forum. That's really about getting the color. Just right the all of those vibrant colors we witnessed in Dorn. Probably all died by the costume department. So it's really integral to creating these worlds visually and no easy feat and Clapton apparently agrees because she has remarked interviews quote. If it takes three days to make a costume it takes another three days to destroy it and break it distressing an aging costumes. It is such an art in itself. You make a costume vets new and then you have to look at it and look at the character or extra whatever and asked what happened to this person so we may start by fading with the Sun and you'd probably start washing it because that breaks the costume down a bit more quickly will do hand stitching repairing on some because again that gives it its character and then we look at the particular moment and the story and see what happens to it for instance. If it's burnt we will work outweighs to singe or rub grease into it to give it more life and I just want to say that aging is very fun and I waited that. Michelle had at least a team of ten Adrian. Dyers probably more for specific episodes because everything April just mentioned. I said it's fun. But it's also incredibly labor intensive. It's likely that every single costume. Michelle made went through the hands of aging dying team. Aging dying was critical to costuming. The hundred of actors cast in roles where regular bathing just might not be part of the characterize routine and at one point or another that pretty much included. The vast majority of the roles on game of thrones especially the extras playing commoner soldiers etc so. The role of the agents was incredibly important on this production. And I just want to point out that the extensive aging and dying on each garment would have prevented. Eli Them from being able to be washed or even dry cleaned. Customers have more than a few tricks up their to battle this. But I do love this quote from Clapton. She says after the actor's worn a few days in the sun it gets even better nice and ripe. Wow I can only imagine what the Wardrobe Department smelled like on some of those hot and on that note. Perhaps the time has also right to take a short break for word from our sponsors world where everyone is confined to their homes. 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Real friends on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. And wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back okay cast. Is it time that we get into some specific characters? That's why we're here yeah. I think it's time I have to admit working on. This episode was a little bit intimidating due to the sheer number of characters. That appear within this series. I mean I kept asking myself. Who SHOULD WE FOCUS ON? There are so so many characters that I love and we're not going to be able to go into detail about each and every one for the sake of time I mean it's little things like Clapton saying about the character of various she says quote. The robes have enormous leaves that conceal his hands. I like the idea that various could gather secrets inside them. And for any of you who might need a little reminder or haven't seen game of thrones virus was a master with constantly shifting allegiances. So Clapton's costumes. Were very poignant for his particular character and while we can't dwell on Varis we will try to include as many of these little bits and bobs of information like this about as many of the characters as we can't so CASS. Who Shall we begin with? Well how about some the ladies we meet and the very first episode. There are so many strong female characters in this saga which is one of the reasons. I love it so it's really hard to pick one to begin with but let's go with Sonya Stark. She's particularly interesting because she likes. Her siblings really has to grow up quite quickly on the show When we meet her. She's a spoiled. Teenage Young Woman living with her family at their ancestral home in the north winter fell as a backstory for the stark women. Clapton actually imagined that to pass the dark cold evenings of the north of favorite pastime. Might be embroidery. So we see quite a lot of embroidery on their garments. And even at one point we see them. All embroidering. Together caitlyn stark's sitting embroidering with her two daughters Samsa and the youngest daughter of the Family Aria and cast when I say that some of the decisions that were made or so smart and nuanced in terms of character development that you might not necessarily notice them on screen. I'm not kidding. Clapton has said that in this scene. Saez embroidery is neat and precise while that of her younger sisters is always messy not necessarily to her younger age but rather her willful nature because it turns out as we find out later that she's far more interested in the art of sword. Play than the art embroidery. Sandra however was conceptualized to be quite an accomplished seamstress in her own right Clapton imagined her making Oliver Close. And executing her own embroideries which is lovely when we first meet. Sauna a winter fell. She wears the stark blue however the shade she wears is a bit lighter than that of her family which was intentional. It really set her apart away. This makes perfect sense. Also because once she becomes betrothed to Prince Joffrey. Her family allegiances become tested when she moves to. King's landing clothing quickly makes an abrupt shift away from those stark blues and she begins to favor the Komo asks styles and pink and green color palettes worn by her future. Mother in Law Clapton says sponsor even switches up her hairstyle at this juncture to more closely resemble servcies. Long twisting locks. These costumes are prime examples of the importance of costume as a vital storytelling tool this goes for any production of course but especially show. Like game of thrones where they are credibly important and not only distinguishing rose from each other but helping to show a character story. Arc Sanz's costumes as with all the characters were we'll discuss today relate an incredible amount of essential information to the audience. Even if you might not have consciously perceived for instance You mentioned that Sansa begins wearing pink and Mauve in particular now becomes a favourite of saunas because it somehow a blend of stark blue with the traditional Lancaster. Red and this shade is the ground colour for her elaborate gown for her nuptials which is the first garment. I'd like to talk about in detail. Because Clapton has noted that she chose a quote gold and Mauve shot brocade fabric that was embellished with metal hip pads to make the gown feel lightly. Armored but cast is really the Reuter on this piece is spectacular in its symbolism. Clapton says the man of the House Lancaster. The lion was stamped at the back of her neck suggesting that Sansa was now their property. However the embroidery on the girdle that criss crosses her chest and circles her waist includes dire wolves the digital of the starks as fish which was decision of the totally family from which her mother. Caitlyn comes from additionally we see embroidered. Dragonflies a symbol. That seems to be unique to sponsor herself her own invention which symbolizes her feelings of captivity. You will also see that. She frequently wears a dragonfly necklace as well during this period cast. Clapton designed the jewelry in addition to all of the costumes. Well on this show. How right no small feat and and we must say that. Clapton did seven of the eight. Seasons of game of thrones we should of course credit April fairies. Wonderful Designs. For Game of thrones season six and that's when ferry took over for Clapton Clapton was taking a small break to design the costumes for the Netflix series. The crown which I'm sure many of our listeners have offices Dean but because Clapton designed the preponderance of the seasons. It's really her work that we're focusing on in this episode. But I digress. So let's get back to this jewelry class. It has said that she always designed the jewelry with great intention and that jewelry pieces seen in this series. Were oftentimes some of the most deeply symbolic items at a character would rare and that rarely if ever does she create a piece of jewelry which was not in service to the story ARC or character development so basically the jewelry was just never. Gratuitous embellishment ornamentation Make sense because if you think about how. Tv's filmed you know you're seeing close ups a lot on the character's faces so you're GonNa see a lot of those jewelry pieces highlighted on the screen close up and so take for instance the necklace that Sauna adopts after she escapes the clutches of Lancaster's she wears different variations of the same style throughout the show. It's this large ring. That's three inches. In diameter. It hits her high on the chest just below the neck and threw. It is threaded this long chain which dangles while below her hips at terminates with a long pointed sewing needle at the end and as. Clapton is noted quote. This is an unbroken. Circle symbolizes strength. This is a symbolic statement indicating that is ready to fight. It's also a reference to her sister. Arya who carries a sword called needle likewise on Saunas white wedding coat for her marriage to Ramsay Bolton the front closures feature to class from which dangled two large metal fish and this was a nod to the schedule of Her. Mother's family the tolleys so the last and final ensemble of sauces. That I'd like to speak about. Cats is another Jain Norma spoiler alert so we will issue this once again. Fair warning friends Had like to talk about her coronation ensemble from the final episode. Of all of game of thrones SAMSA has now prove yourself one of the most resilient characters in the entire series you know. She's often abused as a female pond. By the men. In her life husbands are otherwise but in the end she outlasts them all in his crowned Queen of North. Yes and her on SAMBA. Really is a metaphor for her journey. Clapped states have given her a costing that featured imagery referencing the events of her life and honoring family and friends whom she had loved or it offered her guidance along the way although saunas coronation gown was blackish Grey Clapton. Actually use the exact same textile as the one she used in white for Marjorie. Tyrel wedding to King Joffrey who was formerly Saunas betrothed. Are You with me here? Despite their common fiancee Marjorie was KINDA SANSA in King's landing. When no one else was so using textile again was really a nod to the shared experience and their friendship. The styles skirt seen on sunsets. Coronation gown was once seen earlier in the series worn by her mother Caitlyn Stark. And that's not the only familial connection referenced. In the Silhouette of this ensemble the cloak she wears is metrical similar to the one that her sister. Reo where's in the final season and the embellishment on Santa's cloak is laden with meaning one shoulder and sort of pseudo sleeve of the cloak is embroidered with fish scales again a reference to her mother who was murdered during the slaughter of the red wedding earlier in this series. Rhino. Sort of my life. But you got you have to watch it. Don't not watch it. You have to watch it. Because it's a pivotal point in this story. So battled cloak descending from that same side just below the fish scales the cloak also features a motif of beaded and embroidered. Red Leaves which Clapton says. We're a quote inspired by winter fills crimson lived. We're would trees on the other shoulder of the cloak. We see a beaded embroidered. Head of a dire with an from the for trimming at the neck of the cloak this is a tribute to lady. Santa's dire with who was killed by Sir C and the first season and the dire with motif appears again in this. Assemble this time a tribute to her brother. Rob The former king of the north at the red wedding where he too was murdered. He wore a class with the motif with the heads of two of supporting each other Clapton. Smartly Reuse the same motif in coronation crown. And we're not done quite yet Beneath the cloak and over her gown Sansa wears a metal corset. The sculpted motifs cut out of the metal. Corset are kind of sinuous. And they reference the branches again this where would tree. And whilst that's a has now forsaken the metal ring of her favorite necklace the long chain culminating with the needle at the end now hangs from her waist which is yet another reference to her absence. Sister who has fled the capital for parts unknown and my question is will. We see an entire series. That is just about Aria. Hope so I need to. Sandra had many rivals if not outright enemies to defeat to get to this point of course perhaps none so formidable than Sir C. Lancaster married to King Robert Breath. Ian Sursee was also the mother to the Arab the throne Prince joffrey along with her two other younger children. Tomlin and Marcella. The latter was sent to live in Dorn at the age of nine to be more or less raised by the family of the Dornoch prince trusting to whom she was promised as a future bride that surface. Three children are not her husband's the king and instead the result of this ongoing incestuous relationship with her twin brother. Your Jamie isn't exactly common knowledge to everyone else in the show we were. We learned quite early on but in a circles that are aware or suspect this cast the entire right of succession to the throne into question seriously is deception. In terms of the paternity of her children would be far from her. Last and over the course of the series she really emerges as this protagonist villainous. Par Excellence however this wasn't always necessarily the case. When we first meet searcy as Roberts Queen she had very little agency of her own and for one of her very early ensembles. Clapton designed a Pale blue green dress which was embroidered with bird motifs. She says quote. I love the idea that she sees herself as a cage bird and just to drive this point home cast this blue green shade for the dress was also used in the wall coverings of surface bedroom as she was you know little more than decoration or ornamentation for the palace itself and oh how quickly things would change is that we could. I personally think she's like one of the worst greatest villains of history so after King Robert Dies of sustained while hunting. Sirsi is now the Queen Mother meaning. She's the mother to the king and as inexperienced as teenage joffrey still is certainly holds considerable sway over him and her own. Political ambitions quickly reveal themselves not only in her actions but also in her costumes. It changes in her costumes. For instance she now. Adopts the Lancaster family read and increasingly wears the families lions schedule April. You noted earlier in the context of sunset surface gowns. Were Komo ask? And Clapton has noted this as a reference as inspiration for these designs she also looked at the silhouettes of the Middle Ages as inspiration for much of services style. Yes and that medieval inspiration is quite evident in the long trailing sleeves. That sir she is so fond of the dress she wears to Prince joffrey sweating term margery. Tyrell is a wonderful example of Clapton's Skill at layering. A lot of these aesthetic references. A Gold ground with a subtle gold fully motif the dress features. Crc's signature hanging sleeves golden embroidered lions at the shoulders and a highly unusual neckline. It's a sort of a funnel neckline that reveals the Dakota Taj and stands away from the shoulders quite stiff earlier. In the season we had seen Marjorie. Where more extreme version of the same funnel neckline and get this cast. This is one of my favorite things. Clapton has said that this funnel neckline was inspired by address by Alexander McQueen. One that he designed for Bjork for two thousand four music video who is love that I know and also not the only appearance contemporary fashion would make in this series. Denarius actually wears eight Vienna dress and one of the episodes that takes place in Slavers Bay. Clapton found it in a shop in Dubrovnik where they were filming. The style was remarkably somewhere to the ones. The costume team had designed for the female slaves and some of the shots. So she bought. It altered it a bit and it became one of Danny's costumes. I mean who knew that would end up on screen and gave. It broke which is again fun. Alexander McQueen Mellon Vienna and another fun fact cast the rivalry between the soon to be Queen Marjorie and the Queen. Mother searcy was not only political. If you pay really close attention they have a bit of a sartorial battle as well. You know. They're always trying to one up each other in terms of their outfits and Clapton says quote Margie's in crate competition for searcy which plays out in season. Three is almost like a fashion fight between them which is quite fun of how that rivalry between sir. C and Marjorie actually played out was far from humorous and a single fell swoop. Sursee rid herself of many. If not most of her political enemies by plotting a massive explosion. She orchestrates the setting off of the highly flammable substance wildfire beneath the temple courtroom instantly killing the hundreds including Queen Marjorie who had gathered to watch jersey. Go on trial. I last remaining air the young King Thomas who had succeeded his brother draw free. Things had gone too far and he ends up taking his own life by throwing himself out of a tower. This now made Sushi next in line for the throne services. Coronation look in season. Six is a direct reflection of her bloodthirsty rise to power. God is the survey of your and Jade Blues and Ruby Reds. For nearly the entire rest of the series she wears black of course being the color of death also gone is her long flowing hair and her long trailing sleeves. Far from the flowing gowns of a cage bird servcies garments now take on the severe almost sharp edge tailoring and seduction is no longer necessary as a means to an end because she has now claimed the power that she so desperately desired. She just has to keep it and her ruthless rule over the seven kingdoms is really marked in this shift to a more militaristic look that she wears. She now frequently wears armored shoulder. Plates chains metal studs and also textiles that resemble or reference chainmail including for her coronation. Look you just referenced. April her long black dress with fitted risks links. Lease is accessorized with these metal epaulettes. That are incised with the Lancaster Lion. Clapton's says that the chain draped across her trust symbolizes that she is physically and emotionally closed off. And this isn't even the most remarkable part of this ensemble onscreen. Her black dress appears to have this all over pattern of dots or flowers however in reality the dots themselves are cutouts avoids in the leather. Which was used for overdress? So the whole overdress was laser. Cut An incised with these leaf like shapes which exposed the silk brocade under dressed. This dress is a remarkable technical feet. Go back and watch it for sure. Clapton says this is the favorite of all the costumes. She designed for the entire series. Yeah when you see it up. Close like details of it. It's pretty mind blowing likewise also mind blowing the unsolvable searcy wears to a council meeting where she meets Generis for the first time also feet of artistic and technical mastery over a long sleeve under address. Which gives you effective chainmail. She wears cap sleeve overcoat which opened at the front. But it's the back of this overcoat. Which is a technical masterpiece Clapton and her team lined the back of the code with patent leather and they created this series of graduating slashes and when they twisted the slashes down and open to them it revealed patent leather on the reverse and the chain molest textile below. An overall is a fact is like an ex skeleton or vertebrae kind of Clapton says this was quote to indicate what a cold blooded character. She has become. I wanted her to look like an insect of same time. We do glimpse flashes of humanity remaining insurgency when she learned she has once again pregnant. For instance with of course. Her brother Jamie's child. Clapton gives a nod to her maternal nature by covering the abdomen of many of her dresses. With shielding metal studs. She also wears long necklace. With the lion medallion which hits below her navel and many the scenes where she is known to be pregnant assumingly. She finds protective solace in her. Family's single we're going to take a short sponsor break here but when we come back we will turn our attention to another mother. The mother of dragons my name is Anthony. Keith Santa Host of morning show and all the move. I want to personally invite you to my new podcast Allah. My name is a new show. We'll talk to artists community leaders and people like you together. We'll learn more about the triumphs and failures that empower my weekly guest. My show kicks off with the Awesome J. Balloting from Columbia that has revolutionized Latin music and continues to break records worldwide gave bothering opens up and talks about his humble beginnings the secret to his success. 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Baby Daddy Jamie Lancaster who becomes one of my favorite characters. I must say on Thursday then became queen by her marriage to the next in line for the throne Robert Breath Ian as we mentioned earlier but the Tar Garin still have this legitimate claim. Should they be able to muster an army to reclaim the throne? And this says victories. Entire aim and of course using his sister as bait. It's interesting cast that one of the great leitmotifs of the entire series is feminine power much like when we see sursee and she conceptualize is herself as a caged bird. Denarius is also at the mercy. When we first meet her of the dominating they'll presence on her life her brother yet. Both of these characters go onto throw off the shackles of patriarchal subjugation. And they remake the world as they see fit whether that be for better or worse but Danny status as a sexual object is clearly evidenced in the costumes that she wears in the end. Initial episodes of game of thrones. We I see her on this barely. There backless gown similar to the ones worn by brothel. Prostitutes in King's landing Clapton has remarked in the past that she imagined the Cirrus remembering seeing the style when he was young growing up in the capital and then he dressed his sister accordingly. I love how well-thought-out every single costumers it's amazing for presentation to Dro- Danny Wears and entirely see-through shift intentionally so basically the goods are on full display so to speak the wardrobe team actually nicknamed this the quote unquote viewing dress for obvious reasons. Her only a dormant are these two dragon class which hold the fabric together at each shoulder so from the very first episode. Were already associating. Danny with this jagged iconography again. The Dragon Motif is used on the class between her breasts which holds together. This great Lilac Gray dress she wears to Wedge Rogo Clapton says she met for the dress to unwrapped in areas like a gift offered up to the rocky warlord only after their bond is cemented and consummated does Danny Adopt Dauth rocky style as a nomadic tribe of horse people in this hot and arid landscape leather and suede figure prevalent -ly into their wardrobes and Clapton says quote researching how they might dress. I studied African and native American garb as well as clothing and accessories worn by real world nomadic tribes that travel on horseback for example the rockies boots were based on those have been warned by the horsemen of Afghanistan for centuries. Yeah and that's another craft that they're employing in this costume department. Commerce hers so now. Kalisa Denarius Adopts Panther Riding Astride and even attempts to put her own spin on rocky style when she buys a woven embrace the top at the market invasive with Rac the one and only da three key city. Interestingly enough the overall look of the top resembles dragon scales from afar and these references to dragons only become more and more frequent specially. After the fossilized dragon eggs. She received as a wedding gift they hatch and she becomes mother to three Dragon. Hatchlings call drugger dies from an infected shaved. I know so sad. Defending his wife's honour. Which makes it even sadder and the vast majority of her death rocky followers abandoned collegiately in the middle of the night leaving only a few loyal followers under her rule. She now begins this journey throughout the lands of Esso's garnering followers who are basically an offer growing dragons and her legitimate claim to the iron. Throw at each stop along the way. She assimilate spy adapting also adopting the customs of clothing of each locale she encounters and she spouses and fights for the freedom of the many many enslaved people all throughout s by the time. Clichy arrives Enslavers Bay. She has shed her Dauth. Raqi SUEDE AND LEATHER ENTIRELY. And she arrives in this gorgeous blue overdress worn over a white pleated skirt. The Blue overdress reflects her continued allegiance to her rocky followers as their sacred color. But what makes us overdress? Extra special is the Dragon scale embroidery designed by of course. Michelle character who this North American smocking stitch to give the scale like effect and over. This she has layered additional scale embroidery metallic pewter threat and cast if you head over to Michelle keggers website and we'll put the link in the show description. Sh actually provides details about how to do this. Dragon scale puckering technique complete with downloadable instructions. Which is incredibly generous of her and speaking of this particular costume. The Dragon Motif is underscored even further by Colossus Jewelry. Because around her neck she wears a chain with two dragon. Talons at either end and Clapton has noted that the necklace has no class or closure so the weight of the two metal talents are counterbalanced in order for the necklace to stay on the body. I mean come on craftsmanship here much. It's all these like mind boggling details that you just don't know about like when you first see it on screen and clearly also wear some pretty spectacular dragon jewelry when she reaches Marine fully fashioned silver. Dragons wrap her neck. They are very elaborate pieces which stand in contrast to her more refined dresses a pink white and gray which draped over her shoulders like a Cape. These are perhaps some of the most ladylike costumes scenarios swears. They're very demure with this kind of scooped neckline featuring a V notch which terminates just above her breasts. The Silhouette is rift on for quite some time. Really until she crosses the sea to West rose and wanted West Coast. Danny adopts a uniform of sorts. She she changes clothing many many times to be certain. But the overall silhouette stays pretty much the same. What she's in West Coast much like Saraswati. It becomes more militaristic in its inspiration. I mean is there to wage. War cast right so that makes so her so called. Uniform consists of coats made of various indifferent textiles. But they're always more or less the same cut. That has these kind of fashion. Sculpted Shoulder epaulettes in a really nipped waist and the nipped waist is made look even smaller by these wide shoulders at a full skirt on these coats and sometimes the full skirt is cut away at the Front to reveal pleated skirt beneath and the color. Palette of her wardrobe suddenly changes quite dramatically. She no longer wears the Pale hues of her youth or even doth rockies sacred blue the violent implications of her west rose expedition sees her wardrobe switch largely dark gray black and Maroon with one notable exception and that is the astounding white fur coat to ride her dragons to rescue the man. She loves Jon. Snow hands down one of my favorite costumes from the entire series. It's absolutely incredible. Yeah when I texted you and it's like hey what are your some of your favorite things which like what should we focus on me. You're like we have to do the white coat. Like Oh yeah already on it and apparently we were not alone in these sentiments because Clapton has actually said in an interview that went Emilia Clarke. Who of course played Danny when she appeared on set wearing this coat apparently the whole crew completely lost their minds? They just went wild for it and we have to remember that this crew had seen some pretty spectacular costumes over over the years for certain and Clapton also says that she chose to do a departure into white from blacks and the grays and the reds that she had been wearing because it symbolized the purity of her intentions and her feelings for John Snow. Yes and apparently. This coat took months to develop. It follows the same silhouettes as the other coats that she wears on. West rose. But it's created from strips of white for mounted to a canvas backing the strips run in many different directions creating some really nice movement and visual interests and the back of the Cote is incredibly complex with a center portion of the strips cut and place to mimic a dragon spine to all of this varying links for pile was required to create the luck depending on where the strips were placed on the coat. Not to mention the fact. That for this particular incarnation. Clapton wanted to make the skirt fly behind Danny. She writes the Dragon to save John. So that meant that many many passes at making the pattern were necessary before they could figure out how to get the back of the coat to kind of flow aloft in the wind. And I said just a second ago. Particular incarnation because casts are actually three different variants of this coat. The one she wears to rescue John which we have just been talking about another version. She wears later foreshadows the death and destruction imminently at hand as it has bits of the white strips subtly down the edges dyed red. As if blood were barely seeping out of the Cote seems and then the third version is rendered actually not white for but why swayed and the for is on the inside of the coat on the interior and that has been died entirely. Read so here and there at the seams of the White Suede. We see the red for peeking out through the seams and this last version the white Suede one actually also has to heavy draped bows which hang from the cuffs. As if blood just can't help but like pour out the sleeves of her cup. So without fell once in west raised in areas almost always accessorized disease codes with this militaristic silver cross body chain of Dragon Vertebrae that connects at the shoulder with three dragon. Heads one for each of dragons? The Syrian Ragle and drove on and guess what casts. You can get your very own dragon. Because I've really been wanting. I know that I couldn't fit one in my apartment address. Saying no not dragon but you can get your very own. Silver Cross body Exactly like the one COLUCCI wears and this came as a huge surprise to me perhaps more so than anything else. I learned doing all this research. Clapton partnered with jewelry company based in the UK known as Eunice Elisa to do an entire line of jewelry based on her designs. For Game of thrones and some of these pieces are more or less exactly as seen as Warren by onscreen and others are kind of more riffs on this dragon theme but one of the replica. Pieces is actually this cross body dragon chain. It's done in solid silver just under a pound and a half of solid silver. So that's about like six hundred forty grams for those of you who are on metric and if you'd like to check out. Clapton's line of game of Thrones Jewelry. You can head over to. May London which is M. E. Y. Dot London and on that site there are necklaces earrings. Bracelets rings et CETERA. Is Very very cool. I definitely want some dragon earrings. Alright well casts. We have covered a wardrobes of three of the leading. Ladies of game of thrones only three of the leading. 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Ep 264: Brendan Sagalow (Here's the Scenario Podcast)

Hyperbrole: A Comedy Advice Podcast

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Ep 264: Brendan Sagalow (Here's the Scenario Podcast)

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I have never had rhubarb pilots secret. But you've never had his episode so we're going to go in this one together all handy with slice. This is our first taste. I'm going to put whipped cream on the second one. But for the intro slice just tiny tastes for. Y'all we've got brendan sallow comedian extraordinaire. He's got a special on youtube. Links are in the show notes for that for following him on. Tick tock twitter instagram. He is hilarious dude. He's also got a podcast. Here's the scenario. So i would encourage you to laugh love and follow that julia roberts method although this modernized because she didn't have instagram while she was gallivanting through rome india and i didn't finish the movie so i don't know where she went. Blast north pole. Maybe poland's does she go to paul and it's cheap there so she could get a bargain. Although i heard it's not so cheap there anyway follow brandon. Get him some love. Give me some lobs guys. haven't already give me your love. 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I've been using this for almost a year looking like this. You know what. I think i well. I've got the ring light but it looks like you might have that too because you're angelic features. Just popping. thank you very much. So i don't know what it is. I'm just using my mac camera. I said oh. I nibbled on zoom. There's there's the ability to enable hd video. Let me see we see this. The right now is boring. No no no. This is fascinating relating. This is great. I bet. I just turned off no way. Okay all right. I'm not even going to touch it anymore. Oh it's all still there. How are you buddy. Oh i'm fan. And i just i popped open a can of fresca. I feel like the weekend. Because i'm just letting loose over here. Oh heli overnighted hell. Yeah yeah i. I am thrilled. How's everything going for you. Man you know life is pretty terrible. I think at most times. But what are you gonna. Do you know like mushrooms the other day and it felt great. So you know. It's always while i was going to say it's always a good experience with mushrooms but i guess that's probably not the case. I think there's a terrible time. Yes yes there are some times where you accidentally take too much which i did recently. But this has been like you know. I've been trying to meditate. And i've been trying to stretch in the fucking mornings and shit and i and nothing was working and then i just took a bunch of mushrooms and i'm like oh my i think i don't even need a therapist anymore. Hey that's the answer head space out of business just mushrooms. I use the calm app which is You know it actually does work. It feels nice. I i heard you talking. Because i peeped in episode of mindful metal jacket one with you and joe west yes rate episode by the way joe so much being able to like talk about that kind of shit with with somebody you know what i mean like a fucking a conversation with a little bit of substance and like openness and vulnerable vulnerable nece. Yeah i like it. I like it a lot. I feel like well. That's that's very off brand for this. Podcast but i like how we're starting this way because this is really we're starting at the bottom of the ocean. Then we're going to try to the beach. Well tell me. What's the vibe of this podcast. I'll fuck it. i'll get into it. Well you know what i actually. I've got right here. A little intro. That i'm gonna wrap for you. I i made for you. Do you mind if i dive hit. Okay all right uncomfortable is is gonna be uncomfortable. Well depending i do get into some details. No kidding this should be heard me with it baby. Let's do it. I feel like. I'm watching my own funeral. No no no not at all. This will be like just an uncomfortable house party where you don't know anyone and struggling for things to talk about at work. No funeral all right buddy. Welcome to another episode of a comedy advice. Podcast god damn it. I'm never going to sing again. But my name is stephan sultani and i'm your host joining me today. A very very special guest. You may have heard him if you've been listening to the podcast of the past couple of minutes or sent him. If you're watching on youtube he is he's written for. Mtv's joking off was the winner of the two thousand fifteen new york comedy club comedy competition and his album not now more than ever has been a number one in the charts for six days in a fucking row. He's the host of the scenario. Here's the scenario podcasts. He's contributed a joke for the comedy. Central roast of raw blow and he's bloody mental. Everybody please welcome brendan sag alot love it. Yes yes yes. Oh my god. Every time i hear my my own. I l it makes me want to eat a bullet dude single time i hear it. I'm like you got to change that. You got to change that part. That sucks what are you talking about. I mean it's so well. I don't know what you mean because i have not even achieved. I can't even like say that. I've achieved that and people believe me so i think you're already at another level. It's like little things that you could tell the i wrote. You know what. I mean. Like like i i. What did i say go. Oh my album was number one on i tunes for six days in a row. I should have just got rid of interro it. You know what i mean. It's like so childish in a row. I was a little hung up on that and i was gonna comment like no no no. It wasn't intermittently guys. It was six days in a fucking row You know what it was awesome. I did leave out lead singer and guitarist for toxic toasts. But i thought about that. As well know dr who is a. He's a interviewee for like rap. Stars and stuff. Okay okay. He knows like little things you know he liked gets a little things about them. He's like he goes he goes. He'll go to like little wayne and be like who's teddy the fish in little way. We'll be like what. How do you know about that. What is that was my first fish. I was two years old. So yeah that's provided that. That is fantastic. That's all the info i have on you. So that's the tip of the war. But i i got more. We're gonna ask him well. Well i wanted to dive in and talk about your special not now more than ever fantastic name by the way. I was very much pulled in from the title. And i watched it one and a half times. It was so good it was like yeah i watched it and then i ended up watching it over again because i was like. I need to remember to talk about these specific bits. 'cause throughout the whole thing. It was like a nice doughnut with comedy sprinkles evenly distributed throughout the fast. Not just like heavy sprinkles on one side where you take a bite. This is just chocolate and glaze. What am i doing with my life was just so nice and i feel like from the crowd were were here. Just went on a little Joke fire about somebody sneezing. Which i thought was absolutely hilarious. Yeah yeah yeah. I you know what i liked about it was it was it was very It felt like a like it didn't take itself too seriously. I think the whole special. Like my what. I was getting myself into by doing a special while. We've only been working for three months after a pandemic i have to do it on the on the the a roof. It's still inside. So it was like i guess you know it's very loose. It's it's it's it's kind of like what i remembered from just doing. Stand up and writing getting those pandemic jokes out of the fuck and way too. Yeah i definitely agree with that. And i love how it was loose like that because i think we're sick of polishing things or i'm sick of things being polished up where it's like. Oh this is perfect And there was one part where you were making a joke. And the punchline like sniff at a bunch of coke await cake fuck. You never says it was great in. Yeah i just. I like i like shit like that. And it's also you know now as i i look back on that special and i'm like it's a little too loose for my taste like now i want something. I want to start doing something tighter tighter. I want to be more meaningful. You know. Like i i was also like i didn't even like i was like a slob in that special. Dc my out my underwear hanging out and shit. I mean and like all. My clothes are baggy. And i'm drunk and now i'm like okay. I wanna see that was easy now. Let me try and do it to another one where it's like tight and good and and you know talks about shit that i actually wanna talk about instead of like white claw. Oh yeah yeah. And and i know that you would talked about in the special and just now there was some getting that kovic material out of the way the the other material that was non cova related. How long had that been incubating. How long had that been cooking in the oven. Just over the years of like shit that that's worked on the road and stuff and you know it was like it's like i wish i had time to to really work on that. Our like really make it tight. But i also like that. It isn't and i think it's something. I'm going to look back and be like. Oh man i think. I might hate it in the past but i'm going to be like. Oh wow that was a. That was a thing in time. you know. it's going to be like a little time capsule for me which i'm excited about. That's wonderful and it. It just made me think. Somebody told me and i really like this where it was like. If you're seeing something from the past that your past work and you cringe a little bit from it. Yeah that's fantastic because that means that you've kept growing elliott. Yeah dude. I have other artists. I was just looking at videos of like old eminem stuff and there was one thing that he was doing when he was twenty five where he was like on howard stern and he was being he had to like do promo for him and he had to be like. Hey y'all this is eminem. And i'm saying hi. My name is blah blah and i was. Oh my god. If i bet that dude. Fucking cringes at that shit got awful. That is awful shit. Oh my dad. Oh yeah that probably was one of the things that led to the drug addiction so unsure. Yeah i'm sure. I'm sure it was on drugs when he was doing that. That's a great point. Because i'm sure he's like i'm not gonna do this shit sober so yeah goddamn but going back to the special too and oh and going back to how i i discovered you because i have been a fan for a hot minute and when i first discovered you is actually i had mike cannon on the podcast and i was watching life begins and i ended up seeing a guy next to him. That was walking with him. Too was the comedy cellar. And i was like dude. This guy has got to be a comedian. Because he's just it's really funny. And i didn't have sleeves on ernie came like that. I came like that. You know we're were just gonna. We were filming. Yeah we show up. We're gonna film this thing and it was in the middle of the fucking summer. And i hate dude. I hate the summer like summer. Clothes are just not close. I don't like show my fucking legs and and all that stuff and like i always feel like a little kid. I have a backpack on filled with my shit always wearing like. That's all i got. That's all i got to feel. Cool is like a sleeveless shirt. And i just showed up and he was pissed at super fast but he was just like what are you doing. Why didn't you try to look good. I was like oh. I was just doing something. Such an idiot at is so good. That is so good. And you're so right. I live in phoenix arizona where we have to wear shorts and look like dorks like half of the year and fucking sucks. It's i. I'm just i think there's like one percent of men look good in shorts but i'm not one of them. My calves are not well defined. So he's a little chicken legs routing out of these awful as the opposite problem. And i hated my fucking my legs turkey legs. They're so cooking big. I hate them but they're so pale. Oh yeah i've got to. I've been there like you live in phoenix. And your that white dude. I think i think i was bred to like live in a scottish castle and editor be eating turkey. Legs that you fucking. Game of thrones energy one of the guys that just from the lancaster family just dies in the first in your sisters and everything. That's not the first time. I've got that but areas but god. I just lost my train of thought on that one but Yeah but yeah just going back to this special and then with going back to your special. I mean some two of my favorite bits. And i don't want to spoil them. But i love ben and jerry tour. Yes so good. And then i one of my favorite beds like probably maybe the what. What month is june. Yeah maybe the holiest al-saegh fuck the whole year. Because i was it. Hit me so hard where you were talking about women. That are your friend. Yeah catch a whiff of your romantic. Yes that's actually like shit that i'm talking about more now. It kind of sucks. That i did it on the special to be honest. I mean perfectly honest because now the bit. i'm searching idiot. i just kept going with it. And now it's like such a good bit and there's things that are attached to it and everything and that's what i'm doing now so i'll probably put that joke out again. I guess but yeah that was like that's like what i'm talking about like that's the shit i started really talking about shit that matters to me. So like the ben. And jerry's thing i love because it's like silly and whatever but it's the like the pain from the friend zone stuff. I wanna fucking dig ended. Shit dude makes it makes people like look up and like you know. People get so fucking bored with comedy. Do there's so many comedians that everybody's like you ever go to a show. And you're like a showcase and there's like you know there's just like ten comics that are all fucking biting their fingers dude but then you go up and i go i fucking hate my life and i wanna kill myself and everyone's like all right. Oh you're so right. I mean comedian's can go out there like yeah you suck my dick or like eighty eighty words for dick and people are totally desensitized. They're just like all right yup. I've heard that one before and then somebody comes up and it's like yeah. I got friends zone hard. I hate myself. I want to this guy says if they don't laugh there at least listening and i was gonna say if there's someone in the audience it's like l. Maybe get one person to be like. I fucking dig this guy and then they'll follow you and shit and they'll they'll be fence for for life. Yes exactly. And i think that that's that's such a good strategy for any comedian really because once you start digging into that stuff i feel like that's where you get that hardcore fan like i mean for me that really hit at a level where it brought me back. Did you ever see radha. We where the food critic eats the food and then zooms back to when he was a kid and his mom was making ratatouille. Zoo is zoomed back to deborah harbinger in seventh grade. Or she's like all right see later like dong and this guy gets it. Brendan gets it. You don't know you're like fuck dude. What did that mean is that office. They know i had a girl call me friend. I literally a girl call me friend. She didn't beat around the fucking bush. She was just like your good friend. She did not. But what are you going to do. You know it's fine. You're going to write about it and make lots of money doing comedy around it. That's lots of money. Yeah i fucking. There was something i was going to say about the the the. Oh god dammit there's something you said Never gonna be. It's gonna be killing me. Oh man down past it somehow that shit though. Yeah it's it's it's to that point is to bring it all the way round town it just really. I think creates loyal customers not customers well fans like because because the things that really hit home with them. Nobody's gonna do. This guy has like best. Dick joke i've ever heard. I remembered what i was gonna say. Yes how good aseel. Oh my god so like like like about that where the fans and everything some doing a joke right now about like getting rejected or something like going in for the kiss and then pulling away you know what i mean and being like whoa what the fuck and having that weird and i did. The joke was was At governors in long island and i did the joke and then after the show. Somebody walked up to me and they went. That just happened to me before the show. And i was like what that's crazy and they're like yes dude and they were like so into it. I was into them telling me then. I was like and it's a you know. I think it's a good joke. So hopefully they fucking there were like. I know exactly feeling i was laughing so hard. You know because you imagine oh my god that's awesome and and god damn it as you say at unfortunate. This is turning into a sad day for me. Fresca is not bringing it back up. I thought it would it. Yes i do remember another time. Maybe it was eighth grade middle schools fucking awful for me but just leaning in for a kiss at prom no ed sadie hawkins dance. It was able to dance. Did you go to school in the twin. How old you. i'm like benjamin button. I guess no i. i'm. I'm forty seven years old. No i don't. I don't dance it was. It's the ring light. I'll give you the link a little cup for it. But yeah i remember leaning in there and and just that that head sway house like thought. Oh the rejection rejection is like a motherfucker. Dude it happens. It's like it's still happens. I was in a. I was in this girl's room and we were. We were hitting it off all night. It was the night of my my special actually and we all wear like getting drunk and everything like we went into her room. And i you know what i said. I wouldn't it be weird if we made out and she she was you know she probably got super dry from. Do you think it was because of that comment you made Or do you think okay. Okay for sure dude. And i'm talking about this in my act. You just gotta fucking go in and and go take the l you know what i mean if you gotta go in. Oh go outside and be cool that i'm sorry. Felt the vibe. Go over here. yeah exactly you know. I tried to play it off as like. Oh i'm italian. This is like we're doing just aside. Yes i'm saying goodbye new because it's all so decide is a friend kissed that that's why don't you do that. That is the seal of friendship. Oh there's no going back is not going back. you can't just hover over where it's like. Oh here we are now. I know that would be super creepy. But i also don't know what i'm talking about so whatever i feel. I'm so glad. I don't have to deal with you know what i did. Actually i've told this story once before on the podcast. But i'm married now. Thank god because now. I don't have to deal with this shit but to get the first kiss. What i did is we were friends. We're at an italian bar and restaurant in in the city and i ended up telling her because we lived in new york. The domino's like hey. Italian custom is i take this little degree seaney the little. Oh these long. Crunchy like many breadsticks. Yes they like they today like pretzels kinder. Yeah they're pretzel in nature. But they don't. They're not bendy like that. Just a straight press italian pretzel. This is yeah. And so. I was like so in italian culture in the lumbar region. I'll take a half. You take a half and then we break it. Whoever gets the bigger half gets to make a wish she was like. Oh sweet and so. I was like yeah. She grabs it. And i go. No you gotta grab it with your mouth. And she was brazilian she said genial. Which is portuguese for bucknell. And so i ended up getting rejected there but then in the car took some gum and she was like you want some gum and i was like yeah. Just sit in brazil. I take one half and you take one half and the romantic story. I didn't see that ending. Oh my god i now. It turned out good so i got rejected first but then it ended up the is brought to you by winter. Fresh by the way Got Yeah thank god for the that should be the motto talk and maybe she was also embarrassed to do that in the restaurant. Was that aggressive of me to do it in a public place. It's risky did you went for it. I like it and our friends were around us. I can't remember why they were not sitting next to us. Yeah i could see that being a little weird but what are you gonna do work down. Yeah we ended up making out in the car crammed with all of our friends going club so the lights were off. I guess in a car. But i don't know this is weird like you and me could have hung out when we and make it a shared a lot of drugs. You know i feel that too. I feel this chemical bonds between us. That is incredible. I oh so. This is a comedy advice. Podcast talk about you. Then we're going to get into some advice. Answer some silly questions from forgive silly answers to the questions from the read. It advice thread collins. I don't know the nomenclature of it like our slash advice or whatever. That's it yes our slash advice. Well okay are you. Are you a writer a radio. I was a big editor in motherfucker in college. And then i just felt it taking my soul like controlling my thoughts. This is going to sound very eh tin foil hat. It's too much like the whole community. Feels like Like a community. You know what. I mean where it's like. It feels like it doesn't feel like a website. It feels like a colt colt away. You know but it is a great website to every once in a while ago to it. Okay there you go. I can kind of see it being colty and i to me. I'm scared of it. I'm scared to tread into the threads. Because i feel like people just are are very blunt and just malicious at some points. Yeah but aren't we fucking use to that by now like are we like you know is is. Are we all like all right around. What are you gonna do that i am. I am not my delicate white. Skin is is vulnerable to the sun and to read it comments in comments. Let's go to the fucking advice com. I'm excited for this all right. So we're going to jump into that before we jump into that. I like to get nice incinerated inspired with an inspirational quote. So i've got one your presence in the back pocket ready to roll. But i like ask my guests. Give them a chance in case they have any inspirational quotes. That help them when they're feeling down when they just get rejected by a girl or anything any scenario that can help pick them back up. Brendan do you have very pensive right now. Any inspirational quick. There's a lot of pressure because you know. Motivational quotes sometimes like so queasy. But there are like rap lyrics or something that i'll fuck in. I'll be like yeah that that is right. Like i don't know i will say i don't know i don't know dude. Fuck i don't know it's okay. There's so many things that i love. I just love them all you know. Hey that's fucked. Go and take talk right now. Go to a god damn motivational quote. I am really disappointed in you. So i think after this guy you will have to sit and time out for like ten minutes. This is this'll trying to think of it throughout the show. I'll try to. I'll take half my concentration. i was gonna say no. No no no. You missed your chance young sir because i will not accept any inspirational goats after this lies a funny. But that's okay. Because you know what i am going to Provide micro which actually is not by any person or rapper or anything. It's actually a robot called inspire robot and so does is it uses a i and it just plunges into the depths of scholarly works perhaps the torah shakespeare gandhi. I don't know if he wrote or if he was just an auditor was speaker. But all those texts and it just creates an inspirational quote from it. And we're going to figure out figure out what it means. Well i know the hold the astonishment for just one second because we're going to read the quote and then you're like home mike all right buck this week inspire about says you are beautiful just like a clown and that's it. Well you know what. I can make some fucking lemonade. Out of those lemons. Dude okay okay. I think says you are beautiful like a clown you know. What clowns do they make people laugh. What's you know what's beautiful laughing laughing with your friends. So you're beautiful like a cloud like clowns like the essence of a clown is beautiful. That's not an inspirational quote. That should be a sallow signature. Right eliminated did. That's like an email signature at the very end. I don't even remember what i just said. I mean neither. The essence of clown is a clown is beautiful. Yeah brennan's soglo the essence of a clown five essex that also sounds like an armani sent essence of clown. I feel like. I don't know if that would smell like but just a black and white commercial with fucking hogs all over it with johnny depp. Which is the big old clown known yet. The essence of clown. Oh like all right. Well now the quote did no. I'm whoa whoa. Whoa whoa whoa. Let's not denigrate inspire about like that. You're right you're right. He might be listening so for fear of our lives. Let's not talk shit about. I'm sorry to our. God inspired robot all right moving on other. We're nice inspired to the questions. We've got this first one found by are fantastic. Thank you tiff from the read advice columnist says as a man. How can i make a woman feel safer on an elevator. How can i come across creepy on an elevator. I don't make weird. Conversations are stare. But i feel like i still rub people off the wrong way as a six foot. Two man it's hard for me not feel like i'm creeping a woman out. I don't stare make creepy advances. I just wanna know any etiquette. That i missed okay. I think it's like if there's any etiquette. I mean did it seems like a creepy question. Ask to me like there's okay if you're worrying about that then you're doing something i th- walk into an elevator run on my phone. Fucking what am i supposed to say. Milady anything tonight. No i just go in right on my phone. That's you're supposed to do right and wrong. You're right what you have to do is not pay any attention to anyone around you. I i know it sounds rude. But honestly that's the best thing for you. Because if in there and say well hello my damsel ben. It's just going like a person. No check is like Actually i bet they're all just a little bit scared but but i mean come on whatever just fucking weird out right so exactly. No woman ever was like me and my fiancee. We met on an elevator floor seven. It was magical. I bet there are some etiquette though. There's gotta be something out there that's like when you're in. When a woman is an elevator you walk to the opposite corner. That's why the squares are there like shit like that. You know that stuff that we've never noticed before. Oh shit you're riot. Naturally i think us normies were just naturally go as far away from the person as possible especially in code. Maybe so i don't know maybe this guy is posting up right in front of her or behind or facing her. He's posting about it in the elevator with them. How do i not be creepy. He's like ma'am. Could you proofread this for me. Yeah yeah yeah with your beautiful eyes. Would you mind reading that. And that's sexy voice. Ask out loud presses. The stop button. We'll be here for a while. i've done this before. I would love to hear about elevator etiquette though like that seems like an interesting thing like mad woman. Whatever the fuck like. Is there proper elevator etiquette. Oh god yes. I would love to get some literature on that because when i was working in manhattan i remember i i well. There was a lot of things that drove me. Insane and one of those things the elevators. They don't have air conditioning. There's no logistical way to get air conditioning. In there right or is that just mile. Probably your elevator. I've been in elevators before that. Have air conditioning. You probably just lived in squalor. I would say i was a slob. I mean if you look at my hair you could see that. I can afford like a grand a month buddy. Just got a fucking air conditioner. So we're the same god damn boat. I had my own personal sand. That i would just cool myself with it was. It was awful but i yeah. That was one of the things. I wanted to get to my for as soon as possible so i hated those people though it. Stick the arm in at the last second. be like. Oh thanks for holding so. I think that's one elevator. Etiquette thing is if you see the door closing no must emergency. Yeah let it close. Yeah i bet that fucking is dude. That's the worst you good for you thank you. You know i try. Yeah yeah i can us. I was just gonna ask more elevators. Shit but i don't wanna talk about it anymore. I wanna keep talking about elevators. I made a boring. I know i get it. It was a dump story time. Wasn't you that made it boring. What made it boring was we. Were talking about elevators so eventually it would get boring. It'll reach that floor of they don't occur to me. This is all right. Well we'll get off on this floor and get to the question. Which did we give. I think we gave proper advice to that person Yeah i think we have to say. Ask your female friends as that and don't ask. Is there rubber elevator etiquette. Just go what do you feel when a guy walks into an elevator. Just ask them that and then here hear what they have to say. Maybe listen to women fucking tool i. Why mad mad at this guy. Now i'm do you piece of shit. No i'm not. I feel like this asshole really needs to figure out some self awareness. Because i think you're just going on in there and you're just assuming you can chat with these women so just wait until wait until the elevators empty. I think that's the case. Don't ever go in there. If there's a woman no just go in a human get off on your floor going your apartment jerk off like the rest of us. Finally some decent advice. I love great great advice. A lot of this is going to end like that are just rub one out. That's like the men's manual for making things better. That's the start button man. That's the fucking. That's what you put the paper clip. Then we visual that visual just got me wincing. Get all right next question. This says in his last question. I should i leave my boyfriend. This is a little bit of a long one. So stu it among in that i'm strapped in. My boyfriend is currently in the marine corps and works long days and he refuses to give me a monthly salary of ten thousand dollars. I know he has this money as his family. Invested different cryptocurrencies and became very wealthy. Just recently. I've pled and begged him to let me by designer clothes and he refuses always telling me that cheaper closer more cost effective been expensive clothes. I recently met a man who was willing to give me ten thousand dollars a month to spend on whatever i want his a married man who lives off unemployment. I don't know how he is able to produce large sums of money but he gives me my monthly salary. So i don't question it when my boyfriend is at work i will invite harry over. We usually have sex compared to my current boyfriend. Tom who refuses to have sex every day. I need help reaching a decision. On the matter of whether i should leave my current boyfriend for my new one or stick with my current boyfriend and try to become used to the lifestyle of not getting everything and that's it. I mean lot to a lot to unpack there. Well if you believe that story do you believe it. I don't believe that it's real at all. Why don't you believe it. it just sounds it. It's like so obvious. There cannot be a human on earth that is like should i break up with. My boyfriend doesn't designer clothes because he's la- i have no. I don't know if you've ever seen anyone that. I don't know if you ever seen any episode of any season of ninety days beyond say but i found out that that is a very real thing is people are real. These people are real. Yeah but put in greedy but going on read it okay that that might be a red flag. I don't think they would be read it. Yeah it's like the peop- you know. I don't see any duchesses or not duchess's but like people in that kind of situation going on read it and being like what do i do. I'm obviously the bad guy here. You know what i mean. Yeah that's but let's just assume it's real okay. Okay for the sake of that. Was me that wrote that by the way i just read that. No don't do that have been a great bit. Oh go off on how not realize that was me. I made that up. I i write rettig questions advice column. I also don't believe the name hairy and tom then the feeling. That's what david away. I haven't met a hairy since sally. You know it's just anyone watching this go back and watch the tape. When you say fuck in hairy. I swear to god. I was like of course. Harry like a harry's the name to fucking go to it's so it's so fake but hair though if there if you were to place a name on somebody could provide a ten thousand dollars a month salary. It would be a harry. Sure bernard perhaps. But like i feel like harry could provide ten thousand dollars month. Why wouldn't you call them. Herald if you're dealing with all this money right. Wouldn't you call this guy herald and maybe maybe that's the pet name. Maybe that's kind of like a. That's how she gets it. She's like oh sweetie hairy. Carry my darling. I'm not even convincing myself to be honest with what i'm saying. This could be real. I'm trying to make you believe it. I definitely wrote no. I'm kidding i did not. I mean it's so obvious. Just go with the other guy. 'cause you're treating the other guy shit you know. That's what i think too. You're cheating on this dude. That is providing you with well. I guess not happiness. You should leave. Yeah you should definitely. She's not happy but she's fucking string him along. Yeah just are just got money to. It's like how rich people stay rich by not spending their money you know. Why would you want like designer clothes. Another sago signature right there. Rich people stay rich by not sending their money so true. Yeah oh true. Yeah they really fucking they don't they don't they. Don't spend their money scrooge mcduck you never saw him out at the mall. Bloomington's buying new buying pants. He didn't even have pants. You would just dive into his endless gold coins much money. You save on pants each year. Yeah yeah was. I gonna say perfect. All their money goes into their work like it goes into their money. All rich people's money goes into their money right. I don't know if i'm saying i get it you. They make their money make money. Yeah that's it. So that's why a lot of them go bankrupt but they still have shit like you know in their businesses. Save me save me here in this. They've got shell corporations and they've got exactly incite. Llc's and they've got money in the turks and yes yes more dividends i dunno stock market bitcoin. Cryptocurrency higher bull is street. There we go with the little girl with girl in front of it of the little girl in front of it or what we just said about to say some stuff. I don't agree with man. Air the grievances. This is the place branding a little girl standing in front of the bowl as an inspirational thing in the middle of wall street is like when burger king is like when burger king tries to be like a like. We're not criminals what i mean. It's like so fucking fake. Where will how did burger create can get tied into the criminal ring. What what what. I thought of you know what i thought of and i don't know how this is going to make me come off but i'm gonna go i'm gonna go with the thought anyway. Just no good guy. So burger king. Just put out a thing. Today that was like lgbtq Like positive and it was like but it was taking a shot at the chicken. One fucking oh aaa chick-fil-a and they go if you're lgbtq or something come in anytime you want even sundays with our new or like with our new chicken blah blah blah blah blah. Just taking a shot at you know the homophobic chicken place very nice. You burger king. I appreciate the the the the nice sentiment. But you're fucking criminals too so shut up fuck up. You know what i mean as why i feel about that. Little girl standing in front of the bull in wall street is like surrounded by criminals as not real. That's true and it's you know what that's kind of like this question you know. Would that really happen in real life to know what a little girl stand in front of a bull. Exactly i think if they wanted to really depict now now. I'm about to say things that don't don't say don't say what's squinting in this episode too much squeamish people yeah my all right my ideas and thoughts they're gonna get gored and trampled over and we're going to ignore them so great will move on and you did it. I did it somehow. I did it. Ye i i bring out. What the The guys say the spaniards as they. Oh yeah a saying day. La or something. I don't know fucking. Oh my god no. I don't know what it is either. I'm struggling for the word. they do. Say something though and they go yes yes Whatever okay well. It's going to buy me now. It's not a ariba what it is. Whatever whatever yeah we're moving past it and we're going to trudge into the end of the podcast guys. Thank you so much for listening. Brendan who have been a delightful guest. Thank you so much for joining a man. Thank you for having me. I'm sorry that. I you know it could be a little bit of a bummer. A downer but i look at it as realistic. You know what i feel like. We went up and down the saga low building. We took elevator together. And there was no craziness i felt. I felt like that little girl in front of that charging bowl. Because you know what i felt at first scared and then i felt great because that bolton come at me and your beautiful bowl is what. I'm trying to say majestic creatures thank you. That was that was very impressive. Autistic level impressive. What you just did so. I've got grabbing man. I absolutely and my one of my brothers is as burgers at my sister is this. I might have brand of that. Yeah in my in my head. So i don't know i don't know how autism works. Good me too But this is great bad. I feel like i almost when i look at your screen and then just a quick glance. I'm like it kind of looks like me. i feel like we could almost. Oh okay. maybe she'll way that's that's insulting to you by the way You look great. That's fucking great for me long. Hair fucking sin. My hair is look at you. Know what you sport the cap very well. My had his show gigantic. I hats on now. Have a big head to this is this is what you want fucking ever. This is it is it is. It is a hat. But i'm not gonna take it off to check the size because my hair is off right now. How old man now you well. That's pretty impressive. Because with the hat on you look like a young boy. It's i would say twenty. I'm telling you do this summer. I can't figure out summer clothes. They they all make me look like i'm twelve years old dude. What's what makes it. Well i don't know if it makes it but my wife is started to dress me now so now My shorts they go higher so remember the shameful calves that i shared with you. I also have to have my shameful quadrants where god. There's no support muscle there. It just looks like. I don't know maybe chemo patient from the bottom down and then normal person from the top. Oh my god. I just envisioned me wearing those and i will. I bet they feel great though. Oh man just air breezes through hells. It's so good nice draft. I wish i could pull that shit off. Were me too. I wear it anyway by you. Could you look like a fucking guy could got the long hair you got like you know. You're very structured face. Oh good pull that shit off. Oh you got like you work out. I definitely well. I do it on youtube. I actually in the pandemic. I lost about fifty pounds. Wow it was all muscle. Because i used to go to the gym and now yeah so it's said said ending way to bring down way to bring it down van. This is fun getting to know you did. Yeah likewise likewise. And if you're ever in phoenix arizona. I will love to catch a show promote the shit out of bed but speaking of promoting. What have you got going on. Where can people follow you. What what would you like. Just follow me on instagram and twitter. And i'm doing a little bit on tick-tock i'm trying to get into it even though it's made for pedophile i'm trying to get into it. 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Game of Thrones:  What to Wear When Winter is Coming, pt. 1

Dressed: The History of Fashion

49:30 min | 1 year ago

Game of Thrones: What to Wear When Winter is Coming, pt. 1

"Just the history of fashion is a production of iheartradio with over seven billion people in the world. We all have one thing in common every day. We all get dressed. Welcome to address the history of fashion a podcast that explores the who what went of why we wear. We are fashion. Historians and your host Cassidy's agree and April Kelly Ham. So can you feel it casts that nip that frostbite that Arctic chill in the air? I can April spring outside but I am freezing. Yes because this just might be our coolest episode yet. Pun fully intended there because as you have already guests. Winter is coming but dreadnought listeners. I think this episode will actually be a delight. Several of you have asked for an episode on. The game of thrones costumes. Ever since we started the podcast three years ago and alas as I am such a huge fan. I just wanted to make sure that I had the time to devote to this to make sure that we got it right and somebody say that a panel a little bit of extra time on my hands lately and April as you already know we are. Also huge game of thrones fans here at Zachary Garcia household from the very first season. Sean I have been in awe of the creations of costume designer. Michelle Clapton and her team. As some of our listeners. Probably Recall I've worked as a costumer and designer and film for the past twelve years and you would not believe the incredible amount of work that goes into this entire process of each and every costume on this show from the design process to creation to getting it in front of the camera and then maintaining it for possibly an entire season of shooting which I think is anywhere from six months to a year. I am constantly in all of the thought craftsmanship and sheer dedication that went into creating what is arguably the most elaborate fantasy world. Ever to grace's screen whether that be for film or television or maybe we should even say world's plural because from Esso's to West rose from door and king's landing and the north. Each of these fictional lands have their own unique style which is borne out of their history culture and climate so whether that applies to the architecture of their surroundings or the materiality color symbolism of their clothing. The game of thrones world is so immersive particularly crafted that it's easy to just kind of fall into the story and suspend your disbelief that this wasn't actually real. You know I mean it always just felt so so authentic and that is thanks in part to all of the back story that informed each and every creative decisions that applies to sets that applies to costumes and various things otherwise and as Michelle Clapton the costume designer for seven of Eight. Seasons of game of thrones has noted. She says quote from the start. Show runners David. Hav and Weiss felt that the series should not feel too fantastical so early on. We decided that there should be a logical reason. Behind every decision just today will highlight some of those decisions looking into the nuances and costuming that you know we might not all have picked up on when we are watching it and the GOP costumes chock full of symbolism and for shadowing inherent to each character's unique story arc rage joy revenge and familial loyalties are all lovingly stitched into the clothing they wear and this is the part where before we go any further the I have to issue a major spoil. Alert alert spoiler. Because if you have not seen gave the thrones in its entirety forewarning. Some of the things that we are definitely going to talk about today are going to reveal plot points that you might not know about yet so please proceed at your own risk friends because we're not holding anything back we are going all it. Okay that being said cast before we get to individual characters costumes. I'm hoping that we can touch ever so briefly on the logistics of creating this series. Because as you all know what. A massive faking production of this type was it was filmed in Croatia. Spain Ireland Iceland Morocco Malta. So basically obsession level planning was essential. Yes Clapton has actually said in the press that before each season prep for the Wardrobe Department would begin. Approximately three months before filming. Which honestly does not seem like nearly enough time to me. You know making this feat of costume even more remarkable some period films. April begin prepping a year in advance because there are so many factors to consider Michelle's team depending on where they were in. The production process could consist of anywhere between seventy and one hundred people and this includes any number of specialists collaborators like leather and metal workers which is incredible armourers making custom armor jewelers. Many of whom worked from the workshops in Belfast Ireland? Where ninety nine percent of the costumes were created not to mention weavers cast because many of the textiles used were actually original designs woven specifically for one single costume and they even had their own loom at the. Belfast studio which is pretty incredible rate also incredible have to say the embroidery which there is copious amounts of over the course of the series and some of the most elaborate gorgeous embroidery was the work of Michelle character. You can do yourself a favor and Google game of thrones embroidery and plenty of images as well as Michelle characters. Website are gonNA come up and I'm just going to say. Prepare TO BE GOBSMACKED and I've also spoken to Michelle character and she's currently working on a book which is due to be released next year and tentatively. She has already agreed to join us to chat about that. When it's released so I'm super excited for that. Yes absolutely Michelle. Please come join us to chat about your upcoming book. We would absolutely love that. Okay April where do we even begin our journey into the costuming of G. O? T. I know right maybe at the beginning and I say that because you and I are both very familiar but doing research for the podcast as well as the books that we written and I'm sure that journey was not different at all for Michelle Clapton and her team absolutely and Clapton has written that she. I immersed herself in research saying I began studying how people lived in various climates. Historically I looked at clothing from cultures around the world over many centuries Japanese Flemish Siberian Afghan Iranian Persian native American to name a few when searching for inspiration for armor I focused on Renaissance Byzantine Samurai entrant Roman and ancient Greek designs. I studied full culture and tribal mythology in the end. She says you know nothing could look like. It came from any one specific historic era. Gop is harder in a way because you have to make it up and yes this is a fantasy world that like you said April needs to feel real and I would say she was pretty successful in that. Yeah for sure. So so if you're thinking how does this episode about a fantasy world relate to the tangible in real life history of fashion and dress? Well it absolutely does quite a lot of Clapton's designs were inspired by historic dress from around the world. And from that starting point she willed her considerable skill to create this entirely new aesthetic for each land or culture that was featured in the series and there are some clues in the books which for any of our listeners. Out there who might not know. Game of thrones is actually based on a series of called a song of Fire and ice by George R R Martin and in the Book Martin. Does give some description of certain things like color palettes and the schedules of each house or ruling family but largely Clapton was responsible for developing Martin's limited textual references into this entire aesthetic vocabulary and just a side note here April. You mentioned the term SIDGA L- By that we mean symbol or emblem. Officially the definition of decision is an inscribed or painted symbol to have magical power sill or a sign or symbol and these singles are omnipresent in the costuming of game of thrones characters. You'RE GONNA hear US turn a lot throughout this episode. There particularly prevalent in the ones who are invested in the power struggle for the iron throne as you know there are nine main ruling family histories woven into the series each with their own style vernacular yes and perhaps we should do a quick rundown of the symbols or and Color Palettes of some of the major houses quickly and efficiently. Speaking here. We go the North Color Palettes Brown largely but the ruling stark family also incorporates blue. And this is because Clapton discovered that the Dogwood tree can purchase natural blue dyestuffs from its bark and so she incorporated a clear blue into the start characters. Wardrobes as they lived in a heavily forested region the family schedule is the wolf. Though Lancaster's how central is the lion often rendered in gold on ground of read a well-established House from the South? The warmer color Palette for the Lancaster airs more on the side of jewel tones much like southern family clans. The House of tyrel schedule is a golden rose on a greenfield whereas sizzling color. Palette of Dorn was inspired by both Indian and Moroccan sensibilities Clapton has remarked quote. I loved designing the costumes worn by the people of dohrn. The door dish are hot. Tempered and Brash. With a disdain. For Convention they embrace a wide spectrum of sexuality and many have Children Matthias lovers out of wedlock. It is such a radically different culture. It was extremely important that viewers immediately realize that this was entirely separate from the capitol. I wanted the door and his dresses to barely there. As though they could be worn without underwear and slip off at a moment's notice. I mean seriously. Dorn was one of my favorite regions or lands in the entire series. You could basically just put anything any of them. Were wearing into my closet and I would be real happy about that and we will talk about Dornoch dress a little bit further in detail in a in a while. Then we have. The House of Tar Garin needs little introduction to their schedule for anyone who has even seen a single episode. Of Game of thrones is of course the dragon and one of the main leads of the entire series. Of Course Canarias AKA COLUCCI AK Danny target the color story which is embedded and Danny's costumes. Very much follows her character. Arc perhaps more so than any other character over the course of its eight seasons and like you said about Dorn April. I think we will discuss cle- Sartorial journey and more details. When we focus on her specifically absolutely and as one of the main characters she had a lot of screen time so she had a ton of costumes to talk about on average cast. Clapton has said that she was responsible for designing around a hundred and twenty costumes per season for the lead characters and this doesn't even remotely include a secondary characters extras for whom her assistant designers and other members of her team are responsible and Clapton says quote. The whole goal from the start was not to make this a costume. Traumat- it's not velvet dresses and pretty things all the time. When you watch it you really believe you could be there. These are real people with foibles and they sweat and it's not doctored is not sanitized CASS. Given your professional history. I bet you know a whole lot about this. So talk to me about the role of ages and dyers and film and TV costuming. Yeah and real quick I just WanNa say to when when you mentioned all dressing all of those background characters for everything. Costumers are usually one of the first departments to be on set so those customers are probably getting there at two or three. Am in the morning on those days. And they're usually the last one of the very last apartments to leave so Kudos to the hardworking costume. Department on game of thrones so aging dying. I am not in dire but I have done it. It's really an art form. It's highly specialized skill that people really spend years and years and years honing. My first experience was on Terminator Salvation. Which I don't know if you've seen but you know post apocalyptic so it was like here. Here's a shirt. Now rip it to pieces right make it look old and aged and dead and then it was like okay. Well now. You need to recreate that three more times. So that's of the interesting part about aging and dying. And what makes it such a skill? Is that not only? Are you ripping something to shreds your then recreating it over and over again and dying also is highly refined art forum? That's really about getting the color. Just right the all of those vibrant colors. We witnessed dorn all died by the costume department. So it's really integral to creating these worlds visually and no easy feat. Clapton apparently agrees because she has remarked interviews quote. If it takes three days to make a costume it takes another three days to destroy and break it distressing an aging costumes. It is such an art in itself. You make a costume. That's new and then you have to look at it and look at the character or extra whatever and asked what happened to this person so we may start by fading it with a sun and you'd probably start washing it because that breaks the costume down a bit more quickly will do hand stitching repairing on some because again that gives it its character and then we look at the particular moment and the story and see what happens to it for instance. If it's burnt we will work out ways to singe or rubbed grease into it to give more life and I just want to say that aging is very fun and I waited that. Michelle had at least a team of ten Adrian. Dyers probably more for specific episodes because everything April just mentioned. I said it's fun. But it's also incredibly labor intensive. It's likely that every single costume. Michelle made went through the hands of the aging dying team. Aging dying was critical to costuming. The hundred of actors cast in roles where regular bathing just might not be part of the routine and at one another that pretty much included. The vast majority of the roles on game of thrones especially the extras playing commoner soldiers etc so the role of the ages was incredibly important on this production and I just want to point out that the extensive aging and dying on each garment would have prevented a lot of them from being able to be washed or even dry cleaned customers. Have more than a few tricks up their sleeves to battle this but I do love this quote from Clapton. She says after the actress have worn it a few days in the Sun. It gets even better nice and right. Wow I can only imagine what the wardrobe department smell like on some of those hot and on that note perhaps time is also ripe to take a short break for word from our sponsors welcome back. Okay cast. Is it time that we get into some specific characters? That's why we're here. Yeah I think it's time Have to admit working on. This episode was a little bit intimidating due to the sheer number of characters. That appear within the series. I mean I kept asking myself. Who SHOULD WE FOCUS ON? There are so so many characters that I love and we're not going to be able to go into detail about each and every one for the sake of time I mean it's little things like Clapton saying about the character of various the robes have enormous leaves that conceal his hands. I like the idea that virus could gather secrets inside them. And for any of you who might need a little reminder or haven't seen game of thrones virus was a spy master with constantly shifting allegiances. So Clapton's costumes. Were very poignant for his particular character and while we can't dwell on various we'll try to include as many of these little bits and bobs of information like this about as many of the characters as we can so CASS. Who Shall we begin with? How about some of the ladies? We meet in the very first episode. There are so many strong female characters in this which is one of the reasons I love it so it's really hard to pick one to begin with but let's go with Sonya Stark. She's particularly interesting because she like her siblings really has to grow up quite quickly on the show When we meet her. She's a spoiled. Teenage Young Woman living with her family at their ancestral home in the north winter fell as a backstory for the stark women. Clapton actually imagined that to pass the dark cold evenings of the north of favorite pastime. Might be embroidery. So we see quite a lot of embroidery on their garments. And even at one point we see them. All embroidering. Together caitlyn stark's sitting embroidering with her two daughters Samsa and the youngest daughter of the Family Aria and cast when I say that some of the decisions that were made or so smart and nuanced in terms of character development that you might not necessarily notice them on screen. I'm not kidding. Clapton has said that in this scene. Saez EMBROIDERY IS NEAT. And precise will that of her younger sisters is always messy not necessarily due to her younger age but rather her willful nature because it turns out as we find out that she's far more interested in the art sword. Play than the art of embroidery. Sandra however was conceptualized to be quite an accomplished seamstress in her own right. Clapton imagined her making Oliver on clothes. And executing her own embroideries which is lovely when we first meet Sansa a winter fell. She wears the star blue however the shade. She wears is a bit lighter than that of her family which was intentional. It really set her apart in a way. This makes perfect sense. Also because once she becomes betrothed to Prince Joffrey. Her family allegiances become tested when she moved to King's landing. Her clothing quickly makes an abrupt shift away from those dark blues and she begins to favor the Komo asks styles and pink and green color palettes worn by her future mother in law thirsty CLAPTON SAYS STONE SET. Even switches up her hairstyle at this juncture to more closely resemble servcies. Long twisting locks. These costumes are prime examples of the importance of costume as a vital storytelling tool this goes any production of course but especially in a show. Like game of thrones where they are incredibly important and not only distinguishing worlds from each other but helping to show a character story. Arc Saunas costumes as with all the characters. We we'll discuss today relate an incredible amount of essential information to the audience. Even if you might not have consciously perceived it yeah for instance You mentioned that Sansa begins wearing pink and Mauve in particular now becomes a favourite of stances because it somehow a blend of stark blue with the traditional Lancaster. Red and this shade is the ground color for her elaborate gown for her nuptials which is the first garment. I'd like to talk about in detail. Because Clapton has noted that she chose a quote gold and Mauve shot brocade fabric that was embellished with metal hip pads to make the gallon. Feel slightly. Armored cast is really the embroidery on this piece that is spectacular in symbolism. Clapton says the seizure of the House Lancaster. The lion was stamped at the back of her neck suggesting that Sansa was now their property. However the embroidery on the girdle that criss crosses her chest and encircles. Her waist includes Dire Wolves. The schedule of the starks as well as fish which was essential of the family from which her mother. Caitlyn comes from additionally we see embroidered. Dragonflies assemble that seems to be unique to sponsor herself her own invention which symbolizes her feelings of captivity. You also see that. She frequently wears dragonfly necklace as well during this period cast. Clapton designed the jewelry. In addition to all of the costumes on this show on how right no small fee and and we must say that. Clapton did seven of the eight. Seasons of game of thrones we should of course credit April fairies wonderful designs. For Game of thrones season six. And that's when ferry took over for Clapton when Clapton was taking a small break to design the costumes for the Netflix series. The crown which I'm sure many of our listeners have also seen but because Clapton designed the preponderance of this season's. It's really her work that we're focusing on in this episode. But I digress. So let's get back to this jewelry. Class has said that she always designed the jewelry with great intention and that the jewelry pieces seen in this series were oftentimes some of the most deeply symbolic items that a character would rare and that rarely if ever to she create a piece of jewelry which was not in service to the story arc or character development so basically the jewelry was just never gratuitous embellishments ornamentation. Command makes sense too because if you think about how. Tv's filmed you know you're seeing close ups a lot on the character's faces so you're really going to see a lot of those jewelry pieces highlighted on the screen close up and so take for instance the necklace that Sauna adopts after she escapes the clutches of the Lancasters. She wears different variations of the same style throughout the show. It's this large ring. That's about three inches. In diameter. It hits her high on the chest just below the neck and threw it is threaded this long chain which dangles well below her hips at terminates with a long pointed sewing needle at the end and as. Clapton is noted. Quote this is an unbroken circle. Symbolizes strength is symbolic statement indicating that sauna is ready to fight. It's also a reference to her sister. Arya who carries a sword called needle likewise on says white wedding coach for her marriage to Ramsay Bolton the front closures feature two clasps from which dangled to large metal fish. And this was a nod of her mother's family tolleys. So the last and final ensemble of that. I'd like to speak about. Casts is another giant Norma's spoiler alert. So we will issue this once again. Fair warning friends. I'd like to talk about her. Coronation Ensemble from the final episode. Of all of game of thrones you know samsa has now prove yourself one of the most resilient characters in the entire series you know. She's often abused as a female pond. By the men in her life husbands or otherwise but in the end she outlasts all in his crowned Queen of the North. Yes and her own. Samba really is a metaphor for her journey. Clapton states I have given her a costing that featured imagery referencing the events of her life and honoring family and friends whom she had loved or at offered her guidance along the way although saunas coronation gown was blackish Grey Clapton. Actually use the exact same textile as the one she used in white for Marjorie. Tyrrell's wedding to King Joffrey who was formerly Saunas betrothed. Are You with me here? Despite their common fiancee Marjorie was Kinda Sansa in King's landing when no one else was so using. This textile gained was really a nod to the shared experience and their friendship. The style of skirt seen on says coronation gown was once seen earlier in the series worn by her mother. Caitlyn stark. And that's not the only familial connection referenced. In the silhouette of this unsolvable the cloak she wears is asymmetrical similar to the one that her sister Aria in the final season and the embellishment on Santa's cloak is laden with meaning one shoulder and sort of pseudo sleeve of the cloak is embroidered with fish scales again a reference to her mother who was murdered during the slaughter of the red wedding earlier in this series where. I know soda of My Life. But you got you have to watch. Don't watch it. You have to watch it. Because it's a pivotal point in this story so back to the clock descended from that same side. Just below the fish scales. The cloak also features motif of beaded and embroidered. Red Leaves which Clapton says were inspired by winter fills crimson leave. We're would trees on the other shoulder of the cloak. We see a beaded embroidered head of dire with an merges from the for trimming at the neck of the clock this is a tribute to lady. Saunas dire with who was killed by in the first season and the dire with monty appears again in this. Assemble this time a tribute to her brother. Rob The former king of the north at the red wedding where he too was murdered. He wore a class with the motif with the heads of two dire supporting each other Clapton. Smartly reused the same Motif in Santa's coronation crowned and we're not done quite yet of beneath the cloak and over her gown SANSA. Wears a metal corset. The sculpted motifs cut out of the metal. Corset are kind of sinuous and they reference the branches again of this. Where would tree? And while that's has now forsaken the metal ring of her favorite necklace the long chain culminating with the needle at the end now hangs from her waist which is yet another reference to her absence sister. Aria who has fled the capital for parts unknown. And my question is. Will we see an entire series? That is just about Aria. I hope so much. Sandra had many rivals if not outright enemies to defeat to get to this point of course perhaps none so formidable than sixty lancaster married to king. Robert Baratheon Sir. She was also the mother to the heir of the throne Prince joffrey along with her two other younger children Moore sell it. The latter was sent to live in Dorn at the age of nine to be more or less raised by the family of the Dornoch Prince Tristan to whom she was promised as a future bride that surface. Three children are not her husband's the king and instead the result of this ongoing incestuous relationship with her twin brother. Jamie isn't exactly common knowledge to everyone else in the show we were. We learned quite early on but in a circles that are aware or suspect. This cast the entire right of succession to the throne into question. Serious deception in terms of the paternity of children would be far from her last and over the course of the series she really emerges as this protagonist villainous. Par EXCELLENCE HOWEVER. This wasn't always necessarily the case. When we first meet seriously as Roberts Queen she had very little agency of her own and for one of her very early ensembles Clapton designed Pale Blue Green dress which was embroidered with bird motifs. She says quote. I love the idea that she sees herself as a cage bird and just to drive this point home cast this blue green shade for the dress was also used in the wall coverings of servcies bedroom as if she was little more than decoration or ornamentation for the palace itself and how quickly things would change. I actually think that we could. I personally think she's like one of the worst greatest villains of mystery so after King Robert Dies of wounds sustained while hunting. Thursday is now the Queen Mother meaning. She's the mother to the king and as inexperienced as teenage joffrey still is Sir holds considerable sway over him and her own. Political ambitions quickly reveal themselves not only in her actions but also in her costumes. The changes in costumes for instance. She now adopts the Lancaster family read and increasingly wears the families lion single April. You noted earlier in the context of sunset. Sir Sees Gowns were Komo ask and Clapton has noted this as a reference as inspiration for these designs. She also looked to the silhouettes of the Middle Ages as inspiration for much sir style. Yes and that medieval inspiration is quite evident in the long trailing sleeves. That sir she is so fond of the dress that she wears to Prince Joffrey wedding term. Margery Tyrell is a wonderful example of Clapton skill at layering. A lot of these aesthetic references a gold ground with a subtle gold fully MOTIF. The dress features signature hanging sleeves golden embroidered lions at the shoulders and a highly unusual neckline. It's a sort of a funnel neckline that reveals the Dakota Taj and stands away from the shoulders quite steph earlier in the season we had seen Marjorie where more extreme version of this same funnel neckline and get this cast. This is one of my favorite things. Clapton has said that this funnel neckline was actually inspired by address by Alexander McQueen. One that he designed for. Bjork for her two thousand four music video. Who is it that I know and also not the only appearance? Contemporary fashion would make in the series. Denarius actually wears eight Vienna dress. In one of the episodes that takes place in Slavers Bay. Clapton found it in a shop in Dubrovnik where they were filming. The style was remarkably somewhere to the ones the costume team designed for the female slaves in some of the shots. So she bought. It altered it a bit and it became one of Danny's costumes. I mean who knew that nee would end up on screen and gave it broke with just again fun. Alexander McQueen melon and another fun fact cast the rivalry between the soon to be Queen Marjorie and the Queen. Mother searcy was not only political. If you pay really close attention they have a bit of a sartorial battle as well. You know. They're always trying to one up each other in terms of their outfits and Clapton says quote Marjorie. He's in a crate competition. Which plays out in season. Three is almost like a fashion fight between them which is quite fun. Of course. How that rivalry between search and Marjorie actually played out was far from humorous and a single fell swoop. Sir C rid herself of many not most of her political enemies by plotting a massive explosion. She orchestrates the setting off of the highly flammable substance wildfire beneath the temple courtroom instantly killing the hundreds including Queen Marjorie who had gathered to watch Go on trial for surveys. Last remaining air the young King Thomas who succeeded his brother draw. Frey things had gone too far and he ends up taking his own life by throwing himself out of a tower. This now made sursee next in line for the throne surveys. Coronation look in season. Six is a direct reflection of her bloodthirsty rise to power. God is the survey of your and Jade Blues and Ruby reds for nearly the entire rest of the series she wears black of course being the color of death also gone is her long flowing hair and her long trailing sleeves. Far from the flowing gowns of a caged bird servcies garments now take on this severe. Almost sharp edged tailoring and seduction is no longer necessary as a means to an end because she has now claimed the power that she so desperately desired should just has to keep it and her ruthless rule over the seven kingdoms is really marked in this shift to a more militaristic. Look that she wears. She now. Frequently wears armored shoulder plates chains metal studs and also textiles that resemble or reference chainmail including for her coronation. Look you just referenced. April her long black dress with fitted risks linked. Sleaze is accessorized with these metal epaulettes. That are incised with the Lancaster. Lion Clapton says that the chain draped across her trust symbolizes that she is quote physically and emotionally closed off. And this isn't even the most remarkable part of this on Samba onscreen. Her black dress appears to have this all over pattern of dots or hours however in reality the dots themselves are cutouts avoids in the leather. Which was used for her overdress? So the whole overdress was the laser cut an incised with these leaf like shapes which exposed the silk brocade under dressed. This dress is a remarkable technical feet. Go back and watch it for sure. Clapton says this is the favourite of all the costumes. She designed for the entire series. Yeah when you see it up. Close like details of it. It's pretty mind blowing likewise also mind blowing the unsolvable searcy wears to council meeting where she meets. Darris for the first time also feet of artistic and technical mastery over a sleeve under address which gives the effect of chainmail. She wears a cap sleep overcoat which is open at the front. But it's the back of this overcoat which is technical masterpiece. Clapton and her team lined the back of the coat with patent leather and then they created this series of graduating slashes and when they twisted the slashes down and open to them it revealed the patent leather on the reverse and the chain molest textile below and overall effect is like an extra skeleton vertebrae kind of Clapton says was quote to indicate what a cold blooded character she has become. I wanted her to look like an insect of the same time. We do. Glimpse flashes of humanity remaining Sir. See when she learned she is once again. Pregnant for instance with of course her brother. James Child Clapton gives a nod to her maternal nature by covering the abdomen of many of her dresses with shielding metal studs. She also wears them long. Necklace with a line medallion which hits below her navel and many of the scenes where she is known to be pregnant assumedly. She finds protective solace in her. Family's single we're GONNA take a short sponsor break here but when we come back we will turn our attention to another mother. The mother of dragons. Welcome back as many of you. I am very excited to talk about. Deniro Wardrobe we may also refer to her here as collegiately as well as this was her honorific as the queen of the nomadic Doth Rocky People Esso's when we first meet Danny she has not yet to the Lord of the rocky people called Drago but she is being offered up to her by her brother of a Sarah in exchange for the allegiance of Drozdov Iraqi army. Yes as target has a claim on the Iron Throne. His father aries targeting had ruled the seven kingdoms as king until he went mad and was killed by surface twin brother. Lover Baby Daddy Jamie Atlanta stor who becomes one of my favorite characters. I must say on Thursday then became queen by her marriage to the next in line for the throne Robert Breath as we mentioned earlier. The target is still have this legitimate claim should they be able to muster an army to reclaim the throne and this is a series entire game and of course using his sister as bait. It's interesting cast that one of the great leitmotifs of the entire series is feminine power much like when we see sursee and she conceptualize herself as a caged bird. Denarius is also at the mercy when we first meet her of the dominating presence on her life her brother yet both of these characters go on to throw off the shackles of patriarchal subjugation. And they remake the world as they see fit whether that be for better or worse but Danny status as a sexual object is clearly evidenced in the costumes that she wears in the initial episodes of game of thrones. We I see her and this barely there. Backless gown similar to the ones worn by brothel. Prostitutes in King's landing Clapton has remarked in the past that she imagined the serious remembering seeing the style when he was young growing up in the capital and then he dressed his sister accordingly. I love how well thought out every single costume as it's amazing for presentation to Drago Danny wears an entirely see-through shift intentionally so basically the goods are on full display so to speak the warriors team actually nicknamed this quote unquote viewing dress for obvious reasons. Her only dormant are these two dragon class which hold a fabric together at each shoulder so from the very first episode. Were already associating. Danny with this jagged iconography again. The Dragon Motif is used on the class between her breasts which holds together. This great lilac gray dress she wears to wed Drago. Clapton says she met for the dress to unwrapped in areas like a gift offered up to rocky warlord only after their bond is cemented and consummated does Danny adopt rocky style as a nomadic tribe of horse people in this hot and arid landscape leather and Suede figure prevalent Louis into their wardrobes and Clapton says quote researching how they might dress. I studied African and native American garb as well as clothing and accessories worn by real world. Nomadic tribes that travel on horseback for example the rockies boots were based on those that have been warned by the horsemen of Afghanistan for centuries and that's another craft that they're employing in this costume. Department cobblers irs so now COLUCCI Diarios adopts pants per riding astride and even attempts to put her own spin on rocky style when she buys a woven braided top at the market in Iraq. The one and only dot Iraqi city. Interestingly enough the overall look of the top resembles dragon scales from afar and these references to dragons only become more and more frequent specially. After the fossilized dragon eggs she received as a wedding gift. They hatch and she becomes mother to three Dragon. Hatchlings call drug dies from an infected seved sad defending his wife's honour which makes it even sadder and the vast majority of her death rocky followers abandoned Caluzzi in the middle of the night leaving only a few loyal followers under her rule. She now begins this journey. Throughout the lands of Esso's garnering followers. Who off her growing dragons and her legitimate claim to the iron throne at each stop along the way she assimilates by adapting and adopting the customs of clothing of each locale she encounters and she spouses and fights for the freedom of the many many enslaved people all throughout s spy. The Time Casey arrives and Slavers Bay she has shed her doth Raqi Suede and leather entirely. And she arrives in this gorgeous. Blue overdress worn over a white pleated skirt. The Blue overdress reflects her continued allegiance to her death rocky followers as it's their sacred color. But what makes us overdress extra special? Is The dragon scale embroidery designed by of course Michelle character? Who adopted this North American? Smocking stitches to give the scale like effect and over this. She has layered additional scale embroidery and metallic Pewter Threat and CASS IF YOU head over to Michelle Karger website and we'll put the link in the show description. Sh actually provides details about how to do this. Dragon scale puckering technique complete with downloadable instructions which is incredibly generous of her and speaking of this particular costume. The Dragon Motif is underscored even further by Colossus Jewelry. Because around her neck she wears a chain with two dragon. Talons at either end and Clapton has noted that the necklace has no class or closure so the weight of the two middle talents are counterbalanced in order for the necklace to stay on the body. I come on craftsmanship hero much. It's all these like mind boggling details that you just don't know about like when you see it onscreen. Yeah and clearly also wears some pretty spectacular dragon jewelry when she reaches Marine fully fashioned silver dragons. Wrap her neck. They are very elaborate. Pieces which stand in contrast to her more refined dresses a Pale pink white and gray which draped over her shoulders. Like a Cape. These are perhaps some of the most ladylike costume scenarios wears. They're very demure with this kind of scooped neckline featuring knock which terminates just above her breasts. The Silhouette is rift on for quite some time. Really until she crosses the sea to West rose and once it west Danny adopts a uniform of sorts. She changes clothing many many times to be certain. But the overall silhouette stays pretty much the same. What she's in West Strauss much like Sarah Saraswati. It becomes more militaristic in its inspiration. I mean you know she is there to wage. War cast right so that makes it so her? So-called uniform consists of coats made of various different textiles. But they're always more or less the same cut that has these kind of fashion sculpted shoulder. Epaulettes and a niche waste and the nipped waist is made look even smaller by these wide shoulders. Add full skirt on these coats and sometimes the full skirt is cut away at the Front to reveal pleated skirt beneath and the color. Palette of her wardrobe suddenly changes quite dramatically. She no longer wears the Pale hues of her youth or even doth rockies sacred blue the violent implications of her west Rose Bishen sees her wardrobe switch largely dark gray black and Maroon with one notable exception and that is the astounding white for to ride her dragons to rescue the man. She loves Jon. Snow hands down one my favorite costumes from the entire series. It's absolutely incredible when I texted you and I was like. Hey what are your some of your favorite things. Which what should we focus on me? You're like we have to do the white coat. Oh already on it and apparently we were not alone in these sentiments because Clapton has said in an interview that went Emilia Clarke. Who of course played Danny when she appeared on set wearing this coat? Apparently the whole crew completely lost their minds. They just went wild for it. And we have to remember that this crew had seen some prettiest spectacular costumes over over the years for certain and coffin also says that she chose to do a departure into white from the blacks and the grays and the reds that she had been wearing because it symbolizes the purity of her intentions and her feelings for John Snow. Yes. Apparently this coat took months to develop. It follows the same silhouettes as the other coats that she wires and West rose. But it's created from strips of white for mounted to a canvas backing the strips run in many different directions creating some really nice movement and visual interest and the back of the Cote is incredibly complex with a center portion of the strips cut and placed to mimic a spine to all of this varying lengths of for pile was required to create the look depending on where the strips were placed on the coat. Not to mention the fact. That for this particular incarnation. Clapton wanted to make the skirt fly behind Danny as she rides the dragon to save John. So that meant that many many passes at making the pattern necessary before they could figure out how to get the back of the Cote kind of flow aloft in the wind. And I said just a second ago. Particular incarnation because they're actually three different variants of this cope. The one she wears to rescue John which we have just been talking about another version. She wears later foreshadows the death and destruction imminently at hand. As it has bits of the white first strips subtly down the edges dyed red as blood. Were barely seeping out of the. Cote seems and then third version is rendered. Actually not white I white swayed and the firm for is on the inside of the coat on the interior and that has been died entirely. Read so here and there at the seams of the White Suede we see the red for peaking out to the seams and this last version the white Suede one actually also has to heavy draped bows which hang from the cuffs. As if blood just can't help but like pour out the slaves of her coat without fail once in western areas almost always accessorize these codes with this militaristic silver cross body chain of Dragon Vertebrae that connects at the shoulder with three dragon. Heads one for each of her dragons the Syrian Regal and drug on. And guess what casts you can get your very own dragon. Because I've really been wanting. I know that I couldn't fit in my apartment but saying no not dragging but you can get your very own silver cross body chain exactly like the one wears and this came as a huge surprise to me perhaps more so than anything else. I learned doing this research. Clapton partnered with jewelry company based in the UK known as Eunice and Elisa to do an entire line of jewelry based on her designs. For Game of thrones and some of these pieces are more or less exactly as seen as Warren by denarius. Onscreen and others are kind of more riffs on this dragon theme but one of the replica. Pieces is actually this cross body dragon chain and it's done in solid silver just under a pound and a half of solid silver. So that's about like six hundred forty grams for those of you who are on metric and if you'd like to check out. Clapton's line of game of Thrones Jewelry. You can head over to. May lunden which is M. E. Y. Dot London and on that site there are necklaces. Earrings bracelets rings et CETERA. It's very very cool. I definitely want some dragon earrings. Right well casts. We have covered wardrobes of three of the leading. Ladies of game of thrones only three of the leading. Ladies of game of thrones. 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Interview with Utah Senator Mitt Romney on impeachment, Iran, and China; Interview with new 2020 Democratic candidate Montana Governor Steve Bullock; State of the Cartoonion: Game of Thrones...Trump style

State of the Union with Jake Tapper

43:04 min | 2 years ago

Interview with Utah Senator Mitt Romney on impeachment, Iran, and China; Interview with new 2020 Democratic candidate Montana Governor Steve Bullock; State of the Cartoonion: Game of Thrones...Trump style

"Every year over six hundred thousand people enter prison gates in America. Go behind the numbers of mass incarceration. In America, with me van Jones on my new podcast incarceration, Inc. Subscribe now wherever you get your podcast, this, Jimmy Butler, see himself as a belief, the saquon Barkley thing he can be the greatest running back of all time. Well on my new show, take it there with Taylor rooks out. Get all those answers from your favorite athletes. Tune in on the be our app for new episodes every week. Republican breaks one GOP congressman takes a bold stand saying, President Trump has engaged in impeachable conduct the president is violating our constitutional system going even farther than many House, Democrats will other Republicans follow his lead Republican Senator Mitt Romney will be here in moments to respond and middling with the twenty twenty count up to twenty three Democratic Front runner. Joe Biden makes it official consensus is now the weakness as a ruby. Red state governor enter saying he's the candidate to win back. Trump's voters were here to make sure that Donald Trump does not get reelected, Montana. Governor Steve Bullock is here next, plus abortion battle Alabama passed as the most restrictive abortion law in a generation as part of a multi state strategy to do away with Roe v. Wade now twenty twenty Democrats are seizing on the issue. We productive rights are human rights. Could this be the issue that decides the race? Along tapper in Washington, where the state of our union is surprised, the first Republican congress has now said that President Trump's conduct meets the threshold for impeachment may long Twitter threat on Saturday, Republican congressman Justin Amash of Michigan released his principal conclusions after reading the redacted Malla report, and he accuses attorney general Bill Barr of misrepresenting, the information, and he states quote, contrary to bars portrayal Muller's report reveals that President Trump engaged in specific actions at a pattern of behavior that meet the threshold for impeachment specifically, quote, multiple examples of conduct satisfying all the elements of obstruction of Justice. The Republican congressman also takes a swipe at his colleague standing few members of congress even read Muller's report their minds were made up based on partisan affiliation. This is, of course, just one Republican, who has a history of bucking, the Trump administration, especially on constitutional issues, but the move is significant because he is the first to break with his party on the. Issue and is announcement officially makes impeachment calls on the hill. Bipartisan President Trump fired back this morning tweeting, quote, never a fan of Justin Amash, a total lightweight who opposes me and some of our great Republican ideas and policies here with me to discuss this, and much more is Republican Senator Mitt Romney of Utah. He's also the former Republican nominee for president two thousand twelve center Romney always good to see you. Thanks so much for joining us. Thanks, Jake good to be with you. So we have a lot of foreign policy that I know you want to discuss and I wanted to discuss as well, but this is the first time you've appeared on a Sunday show since the model report was released and you said at the time in a statement, quote, I'm sick into the extent, and pervasiveness of dishonesty and misdirection by individuals in the highest office of the land, including the president. I am also appalled that among other things fellow citizens working in a campaign for president welcomed help from Russia, you and congressman Amash are the only two elected Republicans, I think, to express any misgivings about the behavior of the president, or his campaign team based on the Mahler report. First of all, are you surprised that you or the only one? That have really said anything condemning of the president's behavior as laid out. Well, I think every individual has to make their own judgment. I think it helps to actually have read the entire document. It's a long document. It took me two full days to get through it. And the second volume is a more difficult one to get through than the first. So hopefully more people read it. But I think are a lot of people that want to reserve judgment until this is all played out. My own view is that just in a mush has reached a different conclusion than I have I respect him. I think it's a courageous statement. But I believe that to make a case for obstruction of Justice. You just don't have the elements that are evidenced in this document. And I also believe that an impeachment call is not only something that relates to the law, but also considers practicality and politics. And the American people just aren't there, and I think those that are considering impeachment after look also at the jury, which would be the Senate the senators certainly not there either. So you disagree. With the call for impeachment. You don't necessarily rises to the level of peachable offenses you. So you don't think that there's evidence in their sufficient evidence that the president obstructed Justice? I just don't think that, that there is the, the full element that you'd need to prove an obstruction of Justice case. Now, think of prosecutor would actually look at this and say okay, we have here all the elements that would get this to do conviction. So everyone reaches their own conclusion as I read the report, I was troubled by. It was a very disappointing for a number of reasons. But it did not suggest to me that this was time to call for impeachment. Do you think it's evidence that the president has disgraced the office of the presidency? Well, I think a number of the things that were done. We're really, really troubling and unfortunate and and distressing. Clearly, the number of times that there were items of dishonesty misleading the American public and the media, those are things that you would not want to see from the highest office in the land, but not necessarily. An abusive power. Well, abuse of power is going to be a whole different level, which suggests an impeachment. I, I don't think if impeachment is the right way to go. I think in part, one of the things difficult in order to make a case for obstruction of Justice or impeachment is whether or not there was intent and when there's not an underlying crime. I think it's difficult to put together an effective case to prosecute for those, those crimes. You personally are somebody who has conducted himself, according to a certain set of religious and ethical and moral principles throughout your life. I know you think about this and you talk about this. You've written about it. Do you think that the president has failed based on? What's in the Miller report as a moral leader, if not engaging in criminal conduct is, is there, immoral lacking there, well, I've through op-eds and through the things I've said, I made it very, very clear that I will support the president on policies where we agree. I'll disagree with him openly. If there's something that I think is wrong for the country for my state, but I think he could substan-. Improve his game when it comes to helping shape the character of the country, I the young people as well as people around the world, look at the president of the United States and say, see exhibit, the kind of qualities that we would want to emulate, and those are qualities of humility of honesty, integrity, and those things where I think there's been some call where the president has distanced himself from some of the best qualities of the human character. Let's turn to some of the policy issues right now. They're escalating tensions between the US and Iran, the US claims that images showing Ronnie, and freighters that believes are moving missiles now the US is moving aircraft. Carrier strike group into the region. You're on the Senate Foreign Relations committee. You've been briefed on Iran from what you've seen how concerned are you about the threat from Iran, while I think the threat is real. And when our intelligence community looks at a series of documents that are showing aerial photographs as well as listening to interceptions of communication between Iranian and some of their surrogates, his Bill. In circumstances like that where the intelligence community says there's a great greater degree of risk out of an abundance of caution. You take people out of harm's way, and you also communicate the president has the we're not going to sit back and just watch things unfold. We're gonna make sure they understand that if they take action against our people and against our allies and against our friends that there will be consequence and the consequence will be far more severe than the initial action taken by Iran. So for me, this is pretty straightforward. Particularly after the experience of Benghazi, if you, if you see a threat, you don't just brush it aside and say, well, most likely nothing will happen. You take it seriously and act appropriately. You said it's close to inconceivable to you. The President Trump and his administration would want to go to war with Iran, but the New York Times reported that the White House was reviewing a plan to send at least one hundred twenty thousand troops there. The president said, if he does do what it would be many more, John Bolton road, an up in two thousand fifteen titled to stop Iran's bomb bomb, Iran, do you think this is all just sabre-rattling? I don't believe for a minute that either the president or John Bolton. Or frankly, anyone else into serious senior position of leadership in the White House has any interest in going to the Middle East and going to war. That's not going to happen. There's no interest in doing that barring some kind of attack from Iran or something of that nature, which I don't think anyone Tippett's so going to war with Iran MAC and a happen. And look, the president made it very clear that he thinks the greatest foreign policy mistake, probably in the modern age was a decision by President Bush to go into Iraq, the idea that he would follow the same path by going after Iran, a more difficult enemy, if you will militarily that's just not going to happen. Let's start a China. President Trump has dialing tariffs on Chinese exports in this trade war Americans are already seeing some effects, WalMart just announced they're going to raise some prices because of the tariffs because of the imported Chinese goods. Farmers are struggling and individual markets. You support the press. Tough stance against China. What do you say to the American consumers and the farmers were struggling because of these tariffs? Well, of course, the cost of tariffs is born by the American public. I mean, we're the ones that pay the tariffs that Chinese don't write checks to the American treasury. Instead as we buy we're paying for the cost of the tariff, that's real. But it's a sacrifice I think which is essential to keep China from continue to kill our jobs and kill our businesses that employ people China's gotten away with murder for years, where we've looked the other way as they've cheated on foreign agreements and on the international rules of commerce at as a result of them cheating in the way they have they stole technologies, they've stolen intellectual property. And that, by the way means, they've, they've made it harder for American businesses to compete and for us to create new jobs. Good jobs. So the president has I think properly said enough of this, we're going to say, stop the Tuli has is, of course, a an economic tool tariff tool. And I think it calls for recognition that some parts of our society, are going to be more harm than than others. Those that are particularly harmed, and those include some farmers, whether it's pork or whether it's soybeans, they're going to need some help to weather the storm, because the president is not backing down in this China has got to stop cheating in order for us to be able to trade with them on an open and fair basis. Do you think it's a mistake that the president went after Mexico and Canada, I with steel and aluminum tariffs as opposed to trying to unite the world against China? Yeah. I do think that was a mistake. I think my own view is that we should have gone after China and Mexico Canada, the EU aluminum steel, all those things should have been put aside and till we went on a United basis pushing back against China. But the president has his own negotiating strategy, perhaps, it'll work out in the best at the end the deal that he's worked out with Mexico and China is better than the current NAFTA deal. So he's gotten some prog. Press. But look for me all the focus ought to be on China. And I think the aluminum and steel tariffs. Bad idea auto tariffs. Bad idea, look the only place that I wanna see tariffs really push against a bad actor as against China. I want to get response to this new Alabama law. President Trump just tweeted last night saying he's pro-life, but he supports exceptions for abortion bans for rape incest, the life of the mother Alabama's law does not do that. There are no exceptions for rape, or incest. Supporters say they're trying to bring case to the supreme court that could overturn Roe versus Wade, ultimately do support the Alabama law. Do you think that this will lead to the overturning Roe v? Wade, I don't support the Alabama law. I believe that there ought to be exceptions. I'm pro-life, but there ought to be exceptions for rape, and incest, and where the life of the mothers at risk. But look, you're saying laws on both sides of this argument that are in the extreme, and whether it's New York and Virginia or whether it's Alabama and Missouri people have gone to the to the wings. If you will. I don't think that's productive. I think something much more towards the center makes a lot more sense. The Virginia law, I think was tabled. I don't think it actually became law. But let me ask you about something else. This was very interesting. You did this week you broke with your party to become the only Republican to vote against Michael trunk ale a nominee for federal district judge. He had called your former opponent a two thousand twelve President Obama, a quote unamerican imposter. He said that in two thousand eleven it's a pretty rare moment when a politician these days in one party stands against the rhetoric employed against somebody else. In the opposing party does there need to be more of that in Washington, where you surprised and disappointed that more of your Republican colleagues didn't join you now is actually a very personal thing for me. Which is, you know, I ran against President Obama I disagreed with about a whole host of issues. We went after each other very aggressively. But I completely rejected the whole idea that he was not born in the United States that, that he was unin Marican in some way, that he was an imposter in that respect. And so when a judge came forward making that kind of claim it is passed. That was not something I could subscribe to. So it wasn't a matter of his politics or right wing left. Ring it was instead, this is something which, which I made a very critical during my campaign as a matter of fact, during my campaign, when there was an instance, when someone to said that President Obama was un-american, I insisted that they apologize for that and retract that statement. So setting like this. I had no choice but to say, look, I do not subscribe to this un-american charge against President Obama. Lastly, sir, you celebrated your fiftieth wedding anniversary in March with an your wife you wrote in in for president in two thousand sixteen issue going to get your vote again in two thousand twenty I'm not ready to make an endorsement yet. Jake, we'll have to wait and see how she does. Are you going to support the president or do you not? No, I have not made any decision that front. So we'll, we'll wait. This is way too early for that. And you told us that. Is doing well and we're glad for that. Thank you so much preset. Your being here shake. He's a democrat who won in Montana on the same night, that President Trump dominated that state is he the man with formula to take back the White House for Democrats. We'll talk to Montana governor's equal. Look live in studio next. Hiring used to be hard, multiple job sites. Stacks of resumes, but today, hiring can be easy and you only have to go to one place to get it done. Ziprecruiter with their powerful matching technology ZipRecruiter scans thousands of resumes to find people with the right experience and invite them to apply to your job. Ziprecruiter is so affective that four out of five employers who post on ZipRecruiter get a quality candidate through the site within the first day. And right now listeners can try ZipRecruiter for free at this exclusive web address ZipRecruiter dot com slash so too. That's ZipRecruiter dot com slash S. O T. You ZipRecruiter, the smartest way to hire. Welcome back to state of the union Jake tapper. Former vice president, Joe Biden, making his big pitch to voters this weekend in the great city of Philadelphia as nearly a dozen of his democratic opponents are on the trail to knock him off his perch, where he's been since he entered the race on top one new camera to the racist weeks as he has the best chance to flip those voters. Who gave Trump, the White House democratic governor and who won a deeply red state on the same night? The President Trump on it. He's montana. Governor Steve Bullock, joins me now governor, thanks so much joining us, we appreciate it very to be with you, Jake. So we just saw former vice president, Joe Biden make his pitch to voters in Philly calling for unity offering what he called a different path for the country. Why you why would you make a better nominee, then vice president Biden? No, you bet. Jake, I think we're in a dangerous point. This two hundred forty three year experiment called Representative democracy. We actually I have to win. We have to win back places that we've lost. I've done that but we also have to bridge the divide. I mean, more than just winning. I was the only democrat in the country to get reelected statewide and state where Trump. One two thousand sixteen. Twenty five thirty percent of my voters. Also boated for Donald Trump. And we need to make sure that we can win back places. We lost more than that, though. I've also I signed my last Bill on Monday at announced on Tuesday that my whole time I've governed with a legislature. That's about sixty percent Republican, yet, we've been able to get progressive things done like Medicaid expansion like taking dark money out of our system. And we need to bridge divides Makdissi work, also. I don't think DC will ever really be working as it should be until we attacked the thing. That's more or less keeping everything back, and that's the post citizens United out dark money spending. And I've was turning gentleman for governor. I think I've done more than anybody in this race on that. And that is sort of the initial evil that we've got to dress, the economy's roaring. The unemployment rate is at three point six percent. The lowest level since one thousand nine hundred six. Sixty nine when you were what three wage growth has climbed to three point two percent. Well above the pace of rising prices job numbers grew more than expected last month. President Trump's been in office for almost two and a half years. Now what do you say to voters in Iowa, New Hampshire Montana, who say economy's doing great? Why would I vote for somebody else? It is doing great for some people. But if you look over last forty years, the average American worker really hasn't even had way wage increase in real terms. You look at today only half a thirty year old they're doing better than their parents were at age thirty back in when is being raised it was ninety percent. Four four percent of Americans don't have four hundred bucks in case an emergency happened. So the guy that cleans this very building paid more in taxes last year than Amazon did with ten billion dollars in profit, so, yeah, the economy's booming for a whole lot of folks, but for a whole lot of folks, they're not getting a lot better because of what the Trump tax cuts. What President Trump is done. I want to get your take on with one of the biggest stories of the last week, Alabama pass the most restrictive abortion long generation with the goal of reversing Roe v. Wade, I know you don't support the law, but it has reignited this debate over abortion and abortion rights in this country. I wanted to ask you just more philosophically. Some lawmakers believe life begins at conception others at a heartbeat. Others at implantation others at viability outside the womb. When do you think life begins why think that ultimately the scream court set of forty five years ago, and it's not my decision to be making what, you know, the decision that a woman needs to make him consultation with her doctor and her family, and her faith if she so choose, I get that. That's your political position, but more philosophically. When do you think life begins, when you think about the process? You think it's fetal viability implantation. I mean, this is just a discussion people pan. Sure, I would say that life begins at viability. But either way it's not. Up to people like me to be making these decisions. And I think that's the greater point. And it's not what I think it's what does an individual woman need to do with her body, and with her healthcare, and those aren't decisions that I should be making Republican congressman just in a mosh of Michigan tweeted a big Twitter threat last night, about the Muller report, part of it says, quote molly's report reveals the President Trump engaged in specific actions and a pattern of behavior that meet the threshold for impeachment. That's a Republican congressman. Do you agree with him? That, that President Trump has engaged in peachable conduct. I haven't seen everything behind the Miller report. I think that congress needs to be doing. It's full invest investigating functions. I also think that the executive branch in this great system has to be responded, but, you know, I just spent three days in Iowa and not one individual brought up the molar for what they brought up is the fact that they lost their doctor or they have concerns about the continued by -bility their jobs or what's happened. To farmer and ranch prices because of these trade wars. I think that's where folks are focused and that's where I'm going to be focused for the next year. Plus, we'll let me ask you about the trade wars, because when asked what you would do differently. In terms of the trade war with China, you said you try to come to the table. Talk about each of the sectors that we're really concerned about with all the respect. That's what President Trump and others have been have pointed out was the policy before then didn't work by no means. I mean what's happened? Excuse me. We need to be tough on China. Let's not kid ourselves on that. But what he's doing is essentially by tweet or just by tariff thinking that you can make China change its behavior. And that's going to impact twenty-five percent tariffs on all Chinese products, every American family will be hit by two thousand dollars in one year and increase price. And I think what we need to do is turn around and say, let's bring that community. The nation's together and make sure that they open up opportunities for trade, make sure that they're not stealing basically our intellectual property, if you look at what China did twenty five years ago. Right. They essentially built walls around their country. They chose the state subsidized steel actor and then they unleash that on the world. They've done that with still they've done with credit cards. They've done with now. They're doing it with tech and just going it alone. I mean, we've gone from American persons become America alone, and it hits, producers farmers. And ranchers on both sides, it's hitting all of us, and we can't do it that way. We need to bring our allies together and somewhere upstairs. We need to actually enforce through the World Trade Organization when appropriate as well. Let me ask you, you said your ally of women against sexual harassment, and I want to ask you about this incident that you wrote about at length a few months ago on medium when you were at the democratic governors association. Your former aide Kevin O'Brien who you, you? You fired in two thousand fifteen over sexual harassment allegations, he was later hired by New York City. Mayor Bill de Blasio. He went on to sexually harass. It leads to other women now the New York City department of investigation said, quote the DJ and the state of Montana both affirmatively stated that there was no adverse information on this individual, meaning you did not tell the Blasios, hey, this guy is a sexual harasser. Now you've apologized for that. You say you need to do better. But you're spokesman told the AP and January that you quote expected that having been held accountable for his actions. Kevin O'Brien would not repeat the behavior is why would you think that he wouldn't repeat the behavior, Kevin? It worked for me for six years. In Montana had never heard of any reported incidents since he goes out to when his work in Washington DC when I heard about inappropriate behavior immediate, you know, after hours. I immediately said he should be terminated and should have done more. I should. Have done more and gotten ahold of once I learned that he was working for the mayor should have reached out. But I think one of the good things of all of this is we are now in a time, where the expectations of all of us because the metoo movement in, we need to do more, I'm committed to doing more, but why didn't you I guess the question why, why did you think is behavior would change? That was the first time I'd ever heard of him having any sort of behavior like that. So when I did, and when I heard that he had gone on to work for mayor de Blasios something happened to absolutely sick. It. Some of your fellow twenty twenty candidates like Senator Cory Booker said that they will become the nominee. Choose a woman to be their vice presidential nominee. If you become the presidential nominee of your party will you choose a woman to be your vice president? I want to choose somebody that will complement what I have could step in and be president. In case something happened, and we'll actually reflect and represent different life experiences than I've had along the way, a woman could certainly do that. All right, Montana. Governor ski book, thank you so much for joining us. Really appreciate it. Good to see you. Thanks for have fun. 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Just in a mosh has reached a different conclusion that I have I respect him. I think it's a courageous statement. But I believe that to make a case for obstruction of Justice. You just don't have the elements that are evidenced in this document. Senator Mitt Romney just minutes ago responding to a tweet storm from Republican congressman Justin Amash in which he said that he thought President Trump had reached the level of impeachable offenses as laid out in the Muller report. Let's talk about it. First of all, let me start with congressman John Paul, you're on the House Judiciary, some members of the democratic caucus wanna go forward with impeachment, but democratic leaders have been saying slow your roll does the fact that just in a Marsh. A Republican is now supporting impeachment. At least theoretically. Mean that the people who want to proceed with that. Now have more wind at their backs. Well, I think it's a watershed moment for weeks speaker Pelosi has been saying this needs to be bipartisan if it's going to move forward, just from the practical perspective of impeachment moving forward. And I think just in a mosh coming on board means that there is now bipartisan support for really understanding the seriousness of what is in the Muller report. And, you know, he says, and I think he's right. We most of us actually swing district Democrats and progressives most of the caucus agrees with most of those conclusions that just an Ammash has around. What is in the report, we have read the report, it very carefully laid out a case that really is pushing for the house to take on these issues. So I think it's not about the impeachment vote. It's about opening an impeachment inquiry, and really having the legal ramp, the legal remedies that are stronger when you have an. Inquiry, and I think we're very quickly headed down that path. Former congresswoman love. Let me just ask you, do you think as somebody who served with Justin Amash, and he occasionally would take positions of buck this party especially on constitutional issue. Do you think that this will have an effect on other Republicans? Or do you think he's kind of an outline? I don't think so. I think one of the things that working with Justin Ammash he, he does this from time to time. And when it comes to the constitution, it's really interesting because he's incredibly a constitutional conservative except for when it comes to district are when it comes to issues that deal with Michigan. So we have I have seen him personally taken a step away from whether it's a house freedom caucus, or even Republicans, and there really isn't a rhyme or reason for some of these. So this doesn't surprise anyone I think that this, it's not going to help him. It's specially with the colleagues that he's used to working with and and his voting district. So we're car. What did you think? Mitt Romney pointed out, Senator Romney that I disagreed respectfully, but he also said the American people aren't there, which is true polls show that there is not enough support for impeachment, not, not majority support or even plurality support and second of all the senate's Republican. That's the jury, and they will never vote to convict as long as Republicans. I think it's a more simple question than that, because I don't believe that this is a political tool at all. In fact, I think this is a constitutional instrument. So either you think the president is above the law or you do not. I think that I appreciate congressman Ammash, but that's not where my issue lies my issue lies with the lack of courage, the House Democratic leadership is showing now the body and the caucus members had that, but I need Nancy Pelosi and Jim Clyburn, and standing Hoyer to, to do their job, as leaderships of this caucus and bring forth, these impeachment inquiries, the reason being is because the president is not above the law in Muller, late this out. We saw the same thing with Nixon what happened over time the America. In public, the more and more came out the American public got on board in right now. I think that they, there is a absolute case for obstruction of Justice that's been laid out. And so what if it doesn't get through the Senate? The fact is do your job in the house, and we'll worry about that later. What are you going to go? First Robert Muller, didn't find obstruction of Justice and didn't find collusion and, and the fact that just a Marsh did of great, but he didn't he didn't not find it. He laid out a case and said, it's basically up to congress to. But, but again, he didn't find it that, that he didn't make the conclusion that it was. So that's number one ninety also didn't say it wasn't that was very, he said that he was, according to the office of legal counsel, mammo, sitting president cannot be indicted, he was going to stick to that the reality is, it's very hard to obstruct Justice when there was no underlying crime to obstruct. Well, I think it is true and the department of Justice, the department of Justice, literally just indicted and FBI agent, a former FBI agent for obstruction of Justice, when there was no crime does happen. This is always view to as leader of the country to do the things that he did. He can hire people he can fire that he doesn't have to have. It doesn't have to have an excuse that fits your excuse to do. So, so the reality is there in my opinion, I think most Americans, there was no obstruction of Justice. And the fact that, that a mosh is doing this. Look, we see this in the Senate all the time, when rand Paul joins the Democrats that doesn't make it by parts of a libertarian, who's very much outside of the outside of the scope of where the Republican party is. And he's joined the Democrats. This is not unusual. What I would say is that he may be doing the president of favor because if the Democrats decide based upon this to go on the appeasement track. That's, that's a bonus for Donald Trump right now, I would just say that, that this is more of the bar spin. We saw very clearly a four page supposed- summary. That was not a summary coming from the attorney general that attempted to distort the fan. Acts that are actually in the Muller investigation so much. So that Robert Mueller had to sent two letters to say this is not an appropriate summary. And in fact, why didn't you just use some reason why would be said rep bugs EMMY? Other yet. Right. Another letter to clarify, the letter that you wrote before. I mean, this is the thing that bugs me we're fifty six percent of Americans believe that impeachment. They, they feel like there was dishonesty. They feel like they're the president wasn't doing what he should have been doing, but they're ready to move on. We have all of these. Yes, there are I'm telling you, we have all of these things that have to happen right now. We still haven't touched immigration, which there are a lot of people that are waiting for immigration. There are so many different policy issues. And I agree. I agree with Rick Santorum. Hang on one second. I agree with Rick Santorum and saying, if we continue to go down this path. I'm gonna make predictions that we are playing into where does it matter. The Bill billboard lied. I mean listen on the fact is the fact is on April twenty fourth he released his memo on April twenty-seventh. He actually got a letter from the special counsel saying, this is not what I said. And then when asked on April tenth in the United States Senate had you heard from Muller? He said. No. That is a lie. All right, everyone stick around. We're gonna talk more about twenty twenty. Joe Biden says campaigns all about unity voters think that's the way to beat the guy with the bully pulpit. We'll talk about that next with us. Hi, I'm Bill Kristol feeling confused about politics, who isn't. That's why I host my podcast conversations with Bill Kristol. I have thoughtful conversations with leading figures in politics and public policy we reflect on where we are. And we consider where we're going subscribe at I tunes, or wherever you get your podcast and check out our archive for conversations with guests like Mike Murphy, David Axelrod. Ron brownstein and Paul Begala. No spin no soundbites just thoughtful real conversations. Please do. Subscribe today to conversations with Bill Kristol. Some of the really smart folks, say Democrats, don't want to hear about unit. They say Democrats are so angry that the anger candidate can be the better chance. He or she has to win the democratic nomination. Well, I don't believe it. Democratic Front runner and former vice president Joe Biden making his kickoff push about unity. Is that what democratic voters want? Let's discuss. Bakari, let me start with you. And we should note for the record that you've endorsed Senator, comma, Harris. I'm when I travel out there, democratic voters do seem a little angrier than I think the vice president, at least the grass roots. I mean, I think I think there is a certain element of anger. Anger is not as saying, as long as you utilizing that anger to push with great policies to move the country for, but even as a comma here, supporter, I thought that yesterday was the best day of Joe Biden's entire rollout. I thought he was interjected I thought is is rhythm. And cadence was awesome. I thought he gave a great speech on the question is now campaigning in South Carolina. Campaigning Georgia, North Carolina's gonna roll out the policies necessary because voters are angry and one of the things that the Biden campaign has done a good job of is bubble wrap shield, the vice president right now. So is he going to be taken questions from the national media about his record is he going to be taking audience questions and he'll be able to fill that anger? That is palpable. And how is he going to utilize angry moves forward? Now. You were you were joking during the break. Senator Biden born in Scranton, but he represented Delaware left Pennsylvania. Nineteen fifty two. But he's, he's spending a lot of time campaigning all the way from Pittsburgh affiliate. I someone should remind me of the Pennsylvania's not an early primary state. I'm not sure I understand stand that, that, that idea look, I cars, right in the sense that if I was Joe Biden's team, I would absolutely insulate him. I would I would run a strategy where you do not let him talk off know off script that his his absolute achilles heel and, and he can do it. He sitting there at forty almost forty percent in the polls right now, even with the drift, down by people complaining that he's not being acceptable. He just the only place that Joe Biden answer question is at a debate stage in no, no world's. What's your take you're out there? You're in touch with grassroots democratic all the time is he? Right that people aren't angry. No, I think people are angry, but I think we have to look at why they're angry. We have the worst inequality in this country since the nineteen twenties three people in the country have the same wealth as the bottom. Fifty percent of Americans two of them live in my state, by the way. Bottom fifty percent of Americans. That's one hundred sixty mill. People people want to see a planet that they are able to preserve an hand onto their children and grandchildren. They want healthcare. They are angry because their life is not better than their previous generation. And so that is what any presidential candidate, whether it's Biden, or comma, Harris or anybody else is going to have to put forward bold policies that work for the American people instead of for the biggest corporations, and if they can do that. Then I think people are going to respond to that, but they wanna see real solutions. And I don't think it's about unity or anger. I think it's about the underlying situation that people find themselves in where they can't make ends meet, and they can't provide something for their kids and their grandkids. You are think it's fair to say Trump's skeptical skeptical Republican what do you make of Joe Biden's pitch? Does it appealing to you? Well, I think the speech yesterday was a good speech. I think you have to talk about unity. I think that there's so many people that are out there talking about the fact that they are. Who hates Trump more who hates the and I don't think that that's how anyone is going to win the presidency at the end of the day. When you become the president of the United States, you are the, the president of the United States for all people or all Americans. So I think his his message of unity is good. But there's gotta be some follow up. What are the policies look like how do the policies actually help all Americans that is he going to be able to speak to some of the Republicans that he needs to pick up in order to Joe Biden strategy, and you see it by him going to Pennsylvania, is to say, I can be Trump and it's not about the policies. It's not about anything else. He's the guy that could beat he could beat him in Pennsylvania. Unity is a general election message. Everything that Joe Biden's doing is geared toward the general election. And if I were Joe by I would keep doing it because he can't he can't get into a shouting match with Coppola Harris about how far left we can go. That's not Joe Biden. He has to stay where he is. But also, Joe Biden is running a different type of campaign, and Joe Biden is running a campaign in Pennsylvania. Trying to show in Pennsylvania, and I wo- Hieaux that he can go back and get the disenchanted, white male voter. A newsflash to everyone. We're running this campaign on the -bility in that ain't it the last person to be president of the United States in the last twenty years, who was a democrat. His name was Barack Hussein Obama. Right. It was a black man who went out there and made sure the base was excited. And so I think that when Democrats start having this discussion about electability we're going down the wrong path. And I think that I think the Joe Biden is running a campaign on elected -bility, I think Peba Judas running a campaign on a liability, and so as roared, and that is the class that you're having in the Democratic Party right now, congress, this is a really important point. Because even if you look at some of the swing districts that we won in twenty eighteen we one in part because there was a different electoral base, right? Turned out. That's how Barack Obama one. That's how many of these people even in swing districts, one, they turned out, younger voters black voters, women these are the groups that Joe Biden is going to have to energize, if he wants to get through the primary, and I don't think think it's about. What is it elected? -bility mean just like this is a different election. Donald Trump is going to energize those people Joe by everybody knows they're coming, it's who can. Who can get that swing vote? And that's what just going. All right. Thanks one. An offer being here. Donald of house Trump, first of his name builder of walls, watcher of cable, news' eater of big Macs. Just how much is west rose, like the west wing, that's this week state of the cartoon next. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. 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GSMC Television Podcast Episode 289: Powerful Monarchs

GSMC Television Podcast

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GSMC Television Podcast Episode 289: Powerful Monarchs

"Watching TV has changed over time streaming has become the new norm. That's why golden state media concepts television podcast dives headfirst to the world of cord cutting wants to be on the loop of what's hot and Netflix or if it's not a preference what about original shows in Hulu we've got you covered join us as we fill the blank and talk about movies to stream and what show you should be vigilant. This is the golden state media concepts television podcast. Thank you for tuning into the GMC, TV show podcast brought to you by the G. AS MC podcast network I'm your host Priscila Welsh. Happy Thursday we are here in another week I hope it goes well for all of you listening out there stay tuned in the show and I'll be releasing new updates on the smash hit on stars. The Spanish princess today's all about history facts and monarchs. So for those of you out there who are fans of England and France and Italy Scotland Ireland especially during times of war especially like way way back then like. Back, in the day when things were still happening between the monarchs and the countries, of course, we sometimes see that with political situations that things still occur even now but I find very interesting how even school like we learn so much about the English monarchs because before America. Was Really American. Established. the pilgrims came over from. England. So a lot of times with American history, a lot of our development with English as the language was taken from. Of course England so it's very interesting. How sometimes even if you look at your media, we still reflect somehow and we still focus on what's going on in England with the current Queen Elizabeth and her family. So. One of my favorite things to talk about is the English royals and monarchs they have. So many TV shows out there. They've done so many different movies especially of like the version Queen, for example, Queen. Elizabeth. So, what I noticed though a Lotta Times, they focus on a certain part of English history, and so that's what I wanNA talk to you guys about today of basically my research that I have done over the years and the family bloodlines especially that leads up to the current Queen Elizabeth the second that's currently living right now, the current living monarch, and she's the one of the longest actually living monarchs that we have in this world today. So she actually backtracks all the way to She is related to like she's a descendant of the York name. The. York family for those of you who did not know that. So I actually will be starting off basically with the York and Lancaster names, and then we'll get into leader on the Tudor family, which is really a big big monarch as well which is where the Virgin Queen is actually from she was actually last. Living Monarch of the Tudor name. So of course, we have to start off with the one and only the white queen the White Queen is the first show that actually not the first. The first one was actually tutors, which we'll talk about later in the show, but the White Queen actually brings a whole new light because it's like the prequel that you should watch that we have a better understanding of the war of roses. Okay. So just a little backstory. First of all. As I discussed before today's all about the tutors bloodline. So all the TV shows related to store will be discussed in the order. It should be watched even though it didn't come out in that order so. We will start with the prequels. So. A little bit of backstory. Again, the White Queen you can watch on stars. There's only one season because after this, we will go into the white princess in the white princesses, the door of the White Queen. So Queen, Elizabeth of Woodville. She was actually married to King Edward the fourth this is actually her second husband. Okay. So The shows actually were based on novels by Philip Gregory and it's not an autobiography. That's what people have to remember because it's not like they were. They're back in those times to actually get like more evidence of what they could come up with currently now for this era but they were able to scrap stuff from like resurgent throughout history and throughout timelines, and of course, through like families as well. Probably living in England that are related to these people that guide so many years ago. So her family came from middle class, we know that and her first husband was actually Sir John Gray of Gobi he actually died at the second battle of Sing Albans and he is part of House of Lancaster. So keep that in mind. She was then widowed of course, and then she had two sons with him. Then her second husband came along and he was the first King since the Norman Conquest and if you are familiar with that in history, it's basically about William the conqueror during the eleventh century. Then we have the first she was the first concert to be Queen. So she was able to also help her siblings her family with their status when she became queen. and. Of course, her enemies were Richard Neville. Earl, of Warwick, which at the time was the king-maker and he was on the side of King Edward. The actually helped King Edward, the fourth become king. Then, we have Elizabeth's father which also is demonstrated a lot of these facts that I'm staying out in the show. So like of course, with any TV show especially based on real events of history we have things that were accurate and things that were inaccurate. So I'll talk about that today as well. and. Elizabeth's father he was executed because of the war between her husband and the Earl work. Because he eventually end the dentist demonstrators over the show went over to Lancaster inside when he relies, he can get his way. A lot of times. If you notice when you watch any documentary, watch any show or movie when it comes to the English monarchs or anything with Scotland Ireland France Spain even to everything has always revolved around. Catholic fake round the Catholic Church. Then of course, if somebody decides to rebel however then like for example Henry the eight, we will also talk about later he literally rebelled and wanted to do this whole thing with the Church of England and you know, but we'll get into that. So, of course thou. a whole bunch of crossfire and the reason why it's called war of roses is because of York is the white rose and then we have the Lancaster is in the tutors, which is the red rose her brother-in-law Richard. He actually took the place over the son that she had. Because after King Edward Dies which the also showing the show of course, naturally, it's supposed to. Go to their sons, and then maybe the Queen will be regent or whoever's next to be regent in that bloodline. Until of course, the Sun will come of age to be properly like who was probably made sure to actually take over entire country and whatever other properties at that time that England owned. So her brother-in-law Richard, he took the place over, which is actually can Edward's brother? And then Edward and Richard that the the sons they actually disappeared and are presumed dead. This believe also to This is where. It's considered the York boys in the tower. There's so many stories about that because of the horror and the events that happened the actually later get killed. So then moving along her daughter, Elizabeth is the white princess and she will later marry on Henry seven that we will get into that leader. Again, there are also the parents of Henry, the famous Henry, the eighth, the one with more than like. Four wives. Okay. And Elizabeth, Woodville, of course is the grandmother of Henry the. So here are some Akron inaccurate things that happened on the show from what I remember, and I also do my research on this Oh for those who out there listening the accuracy actually was warrick helping Henry the fourth as I mentioned during the war of roses as Elizabeth Woodville beauty. Her kind relation the kind relation with the widows that Henry the fourth had was actually true as well. And, the King and Queen so would Ville and King Henry. The actually were married in secret. That's something that they did get accurate on the show. So some inaccuracies are how the Queen is portrayed as a whip now, no one knows for sure what exactly happened back in that time there was a lot of different things going on that we know throughout history even willing Salem witch trials for example, that was actually inaccurate. We don't have true Edwards, and then the costuming was actually inaccurate as well for the show. For example, Zippers were being shown the couriers being be showed that they were on the heads here styles. They weren't supposed to have hairstyles actually down a lot of times to differentiate amongst who was high class among women especially in the Royal Court the woman will have the here up and the queen will be really the only one that is allowed to have her hair down. So they actually did get that inaccurate on the TV, show the setting of the show was also to clean. I understand England is like one of those beautiful countries. But back, then especially when it comes to like sicknesses, diseases and stuff like that, it's very inaccurate to have it on TV showed that it looks super super clean. There's no messy the streets at all and also and nevels character, which is the daughter of Warwick the kingmaker. Her portrayal of her character on the TV show is also in accurate. She was queen briefly did get that part accurate br but being portrayed weather as a that significant there's not evidence out there. So she was kind of like a minor supporting role especially in real life and also last but not least the queen the way she's portrayed as just this good beautiful woman. Well, a lot of times you have to remember no matter what in politics or in monarchs especially when you're king and Queen, you can still be conniving and And doing plots and coys, and all these different things. So the way she was actually portrayed portrayed in the show, they actually said in real life she was a little bit like diminishing and manipulating, and she had secrets of her own. She was very, very secretive. So not really accurate on that part. So as I said before, you can actually watch the TV show on stars and I recommend watching this I. So you have a better understanding of what happened. Before the Tudor bloodline was really set in place, and of course, roses is accurate that really did happen in real life. It is the one of the bloodiest wars in English history, and again it's the war between the Lancasters and the York family, and this is very important because I feel like history really like reflects a lot of what we repeat allied throughout the timeline as humans the monarchs in England like they literally have been long going for like the longest. Those nations, those countries that still kept kings and Queens at still kept that old tradition, and again, this is very important topic because it reflects as well to the current queen of England. We have who like I said before is a descendant from the house of York. So some of the detailed cast is Rebecca Ferguson plays the Queen. We have Max Irons who plays the king unearned Barnard who plays Richard Of York James Spray Richard Neville David Oaks George Duke of York Tom McKay Plays Jasper Tudor he's very important fray a metaphor who was Elizabeth of your who later will be called the white princess but there's different cast of course for the White Princess afterwards Yeah. I feel like you to show again if you are into history if you love learning about England back in its day. England is a very interesting topic to talk about there's some type of betrayal and violence going on just for people to secure the throne and at the time where this was happening in England King Louis was helping King Edward and the hundred year war and rebelled against his own father and he is known as the cunning and prudent if you know him from history, he also expanded Francis Power Strength of the economy and married Charlotte of. In in Italy. So he actually was able to build a connection with early as well because of his wife King Louis, and he does where started the French involvement in Italy as well in Scotland this is where King Edward Actually invaded by sea and land. So at this point in time during the LEVINS eleventh century. England and Scotland would really on good terms right now. So let's see how that changes. So. Of course. There's little season two because the story again steps into the white princess, the the daughter's life, the daughter who was called Elizabeth of York, and she's the daughter of King Henry Can Edward the fourth Elizabeth Woodville. And this is where when we get to the white princess that the reign of the tudors were actually begin. In total King Edward the fourth and the White Queen had ten children but Elizabeth is known to be the fairest of them all she takes after a mother. So yeah that's pretty much it so far for the white. Queen again. So coming up after the break, we'll get into the white princess which you also watch on stars stay tuned. Wants to know the latest and hottest music hidden the airwaves don't be left out listened to the Golden State media concepts music podcast keep keeps you on the loop with everything you need to know from pop rock, Hiphop Abbott, top Florida, and we'll throwing news of your favorite artists, concert tour dates, and so much more listen no further because this is the gold standard in music podcasts. Welcome back from the break everyone. So if you now tuning with us again, today is all about history monarchs and facts, and of course, England again, we started off the show with talking about the White Queen which you can watch stars the first season I'm not sure if you can really watch it anywhere else I do know stars. If as long as you have a subscription, you can watch these shows. So now we're going to get into. The white princess basically is a completely different cast from the White Queen, but is literally what happens right after if you've watched the show, you're about to watch the show. So it's right after the next and we're going to talk about today basically the inaccuracy versus the accuracy based on the show. So basically again, the white princess, it's all about the daughter Elizabeth of York she is the daughter of King Edward the fourth and the white. Queen Elizabeth Woodville. Elizabeth of your deals with, of course, the aftermath she in the show, this is actually inaccurate of her relationship between her uncle. Richard. Who tried to take the throne and this was very inaccurate. This is incest. Not. Saying in says do not exist especially throughout the ages throughout the monarch's among many different countries but this was an accurate on the show. But. Then her sister was supposed to they were saying that her sister was supposed actually marry King Henry the seven. Now, the waking hundred to seven comes into play against the your family was actually through lady Margaret Booth for. She actually was in the White Queen, her character, and she was actually a lady in waiting King Henry and his uncle Jasper Tudor they actually were on the one for like so many years based on in the White Queen because of what happened back before with the war with the Lancaster Castro and families, and so basically King Henry the seventh he. Becomes came because he basically defeated his enemies on the war and of course, mother had a big hand in that of putting her son to be king. The way they did it is show us so funny like the key, the actress that played her. It was like I, know my son is supposed to be king and nobody else he's the true, King? So this is where of course, again, King Henry the summoned is also Lancaster family, but he's also tutor because of his uncle's bloodline as well. So again, Elizabeth of York's brothers at this point they should have been next in line, but she basically married kind of the enemy I wanNA say. at first, they weren't too thrilled about their marriage, but they had to actually pretty good marriage. The two of them was actually seventeen long years and there was evidence that shows proof that King Henry, the seventh regardless of everything actually treated her as a good wife. So they were do thrown two brothers and the two youngest killed, which is going back to young boys in the tower. There's actually a few books out there and a couple of different plays and TV shows that actually reflect back on that because of how long they were imprisoned and the fact that because King Henry, the sevens paranoia they were killed, and again like I said, they're called the boys in the tower. Again. This is a battle between the York family and Lancaster's, but also slashed tutors anyway and so yeah, she ends up marrying King Henry Seventh Jasper Tudor is actually the ankle of King Henry the seventh and this is about the family finally coming together the white and red rose. The whites basically is being consumed by the red because, of course, the king is above the Queen, the battle of Bosworth field. This is this actually ends the war amongst the two families because after this war they. Actually get married right after Elizabeth of York is known as the fairest of Edwards spring which was mentioned earlier as well. Again, both were married for seventeen years and had seven kids and she actually dies in childbirth unfortunately giving her last child and King Henry the seven throughout his lifetime. This was accurate that he was paranoid and he killed Teddy. Teddy's teddy was known as Elizabeth of York's younger cousin and the younger brother to Margaret. Pole, which is displayed on the TV show as well. And he was a boy that's what he was known for and he was imprisoned most of his life in the Tower of London until finally there were I guess people protesting in saying things like he's the true king and we will support him. We don't care about this king seven. He's a legitimate ear and this paranoia King Henry Summit so much that he literally killed very devastating and it is. Something that accurately happened. So during this time in France Mary Tudor, which is actually the daughter of King Henry, the seventh and Elizabeth of York, she actually marries King of France Louis the twelfth in Spain, we have the current Ferdinand, the second of Aragon and Isabella the first of Casteel they were are also the parents of Catherine of Aragon, which is what we're GonNa talk about more later in the show. Is. In. Regards to the Spanish princess. Because Catherine of Aragon is the first wife of the future Queen I mean, yes, she's rich queen and she's the first one to King Henry the eighth, which again is the son of King Henry, the seventh and Elizabeth of York. And he is the brother to Mary Tudor and then in Scotland Margaret, becomes queen of Scots she is also another daughter of King Henry the seventh and Elizabeth of York. So again, the show reflects different castes has same story. You can watch this is stars and my opinion the shot together I feel like was pretty well like written. I. Feel it was a lot of drama a lot of. And they kind of stuck to what happened in truth. Vents. The Queen for example this is one thing that wasn't accurate again at emory. Showing a lot of Cleveland Jr like with their costuming and like like their addresses that they wore that's something the queen of would have never done and never did actually. So again I feel like going back like it's important to know your history. Again. In May not be our history in particular depending on what your bloodline is where you come from but I find it very cool to like see what happens. With kings and Queens and how everyone is connected I? Feel like it's amazing how the current queen of England. Again, one of the longest living Marchuk she's lived through so much again, she is a descendant from the family of your says kind of cool to see how certain families and even monarchs could like backtrack to where they come from a lot of people I. Feel like do not get the same blessing because of immigration and slavery in such like things like that. So they're not able to really backtrack to where they come from because. Of Time things get mixed up and families don't really know their history. So it's kind of like if your parents dome history and their parents in the history, your history ends up getting loss. So I always admired how The English, the French and Spain like a lot of these monarchs and these families and the royal families or even if you were just like middle-class if you were dukes reduction. Or Princeton Princes, princes, like they're able to backtrack and know who their. Ancestors were like it's amazing though at the time also during. Our Land The seventh was actually Lord of Ireland not king, but he still ruled over Ireland at this point in time. Again Different Castes, the same story it again, it's relatable to Queen Elizabeth of this Aaron a jumps into King Henry, the ACE story. So the way it goes is actually the Spanish princess will actually you would watch that before you would watch the tutors. Now, some of you may know with the tutors says it's actually a show that came out like back in like twenty twelve, twenty, thirteen, many years perform. We'll get into that right after the white princess the show Spanish princess is the Prequel. So this is actually what happens after the White Princess I will recommend you watch the white queen the White Princess then you will watch the Spanish princess. Then you watch Henry the eighth for the tutors is called the tutors that's it during the tutors. That's when we see like he's grown and he's already starting this whole thing that happened between him and his first wife at that point in time he has his daughter Mary which is also known as Bloody Mary we'll get into that leader. At this time to the country was turned into Protestants during King Henry AIDS rain. So there's a lot to talk about involving him but I, think it's very important. Of course to understand where he comes from because his parents would have never done anything with Dan they were still part of the church. So I think I think that's pretty cool. So again, what I find interesting is how King Henry the seven paranoia was because throughout the show like a really irks my soul how The things that you had to do, I can only imagine where. If you were in Elizabeth Elizabeth of York's shoes, her mother was just the Queen and then a the way they describe it in the show like at least in the white princess. It's so fat as soon as you don't have a husband anymore as a woman in this role or as soon as you don't have any male ears, you're automatically just forgotten about and it's like wait a minute I was just Queen I was just ruining this place though. So, it's like the fact that her daughter was able to sit still secure everything was amazing. In the show. Though mother actually didn't want to. She actually wanted to make sure like her daughter kind of had the power still though her husband was the true ruler and at the same time, she still tried to plot against them. Now I'm not sure about that part of the show if that's inaccurate or accurate I would assume stuff like that obviously happened because whenever it comes to monarchs, there's always some type of Koi thing going on and however she had to take her husband's side because if she didn't, she could have been killed herself and then whatever children that she had with him, they would have been put out as. And then it would have went back to her brothers being the true kings or Queens or princesses, and whatever the case may be. It's very complicated. It's one of those situations I feel like where you have to choose your marriage over your actual like. Blood line where you came from because you're creating a whole new bloodline and it's very interesting how everything's connected because basically for her husband to become king her family, The York family had suffer in order for again, this is going back to the war roses like literally the red roses consuming the white one and she's the one that's being consumed. She's the rose so and her her whole family and in the show her mom and her they did not. See. eye-to-eye until her mom eventually died and it was too late. So then of course, her brothers as well I it it's very interesting and it's very interesting as well as to how far a mother would go to make sure that her son also becomes the king and this is going back to lady, Margaret because the way her character was depicted in the white queen, you knew she has some motives but the way everything was between her and. The White Queen you wouldn't think that would have happened until finally like basically it was like everyone against somebody. So very interesting to look at and Lady Margaret Shows I admire her even though I don't like the way her character was depicted because she's supposed to be like the bag I want to say but like if it depends on how you look like your perspective and she literally had a lot to play even when King Henry, the eighth was. Becoming king he kind of like got along at least in the show with his grandmother because she she knew how to influence especially when it came to like her faith and everything like that. So again, very very interesting show to watch and coming up after the break will finally get into King Henry the as he is known for his romances and I can't wait to talk about his is with the wall. So stay tuned after the show. Thank you. Tired of searching the vast jungle of podcasts now, listen close and here this out. There's a podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searched. The golden state media concepts podcast network is here nothing less than podcast bliss with enlist hours of podcast covered. From News Sports, music, fashion, cooking, entertainment, fantasy football, and so much more. So stop blurted around and go straight out to the golden state media concepts podcast network guaranteed to fill that podcast. Whatever it may be visit us at www dot. MC podcast. Dot Com. Follow us on facebook and twitter and download us on. Itunes soundcloud and Google play. All right everyone. So we're halfway through the show. Welcome back from the break against I've been teased all day. We're GONNA get into our last two shows hair today. So I up, we have the tutors. If you're now tuning in, we just finished discussing the White Queen and before that we were discussing the white princess and those are the two shows that you're definitely going to want to watch before you watch the tutors. Because the tutors will be the last show that you would watch but the way again I I repeat it. It is the White Queen that you watch first. Then the white print says then the Spanish princess and then the tutors but however the spurs princess I won't I want to leave for lasts for you all because that will there's still a season two that will be coming out. Very very shortly. So stay tuned for that news and that update. So the tutors finally we're getting into it. So after watching the white queen and the White Princess, you have a better understanding of who King Henry the eighth is. Now again, this is relatable to the current Queen Elizabeth that we have right now now the country at this point of King Henry, the eighth has turned a protestant. Basically moving away from Catholic assume and he started this whole thing with the church, of England because of his first wife who he tried to annul their marriage, which is of. A. King Queen Catherine of Aragon. She's from Spain, a part of Spain. And his daughter's is actually Mary, which is also known as Bloody Mary later on because she becomes queen for the like a brief reign she actually tries to. Take back what her father did during his reign. He reigned for a very long time, and at this point, she wanted to turn it back to Catholics Catholic assume and the only reason why honestly the way it started again, he wanted a divorce from the first queen. Catherine and he wanted to marry and Boleyn but even right before he got into Angolan, which is also in the show he was actually with another mistress who he had a illegitimate son with who is known as Henry Fitzroy, and then of course, King Henry the eighth is the father to Elizabeth the Virgin Queen the famous famous red-haired Queen Elizabeth who eventually Bersell? But. She was always mad at her father for killing her mother and Bohlen who was the second wife to him. So starting off, her is Catherine of Aragon, which is what the Spanish, princess all about and as the first wife of King Henry the eighth she was actually demoted and she did not bigger us on at all again going back to her only child with him was Mary Aka Bloody Mary in the future. Then we have Bessie, which is one of the ladies in waiting Catherine of Aragon and she bore a son for him but he was illegitimate because again, ladies in waiting not royal and he gained name Henry. Fitzroy which I assume he took his mother's last name since he couldn't take obviously Henry Tudor, and again, we all know how that is where it comes to illegitimacy and how mothers and fathers have tried so much put their little John son or daughter on the throne. Then we have an NBA Lynn she was actually beheaded and you may have heard of her story and her sisters. Actually it's called the other Boleyn girl and the way that movie was portrayed was first and did not get King Henry the eighth at first it was actually her sister and her sister and King Henry had had a illegitimate son. But that was specifically for the movie true evidence that shows that they had another son he had another son that was illegitimate with her. But if you watch the movie, it also stars Scarlett Johansson on in that movie as well. Who played the sister to end with her she actually was beheaded like I said before because she was accused of adultery and treason, and he then King Henry annulled their marriage and again, the whole reason why start in the first place for him to start church England because he wanted to decide who he wanted to marry who he wanted a divorce and the whole reason back to why he did it. To Catherine of Aragon was because she was actually married to his older brother way before they even got married and this was like when they were back at like seventeen nineteen years old and she was married to the Prince of Wales apparently, the number concentrated their marriage at least from her point of view and which meaning they never had sex, and of course, you had to have sex very first navy marriage to actually consummated because if you did that means you're officially a married couple if you didn't have sex at all, especially, if the woman was a version before then matter of the man was a virgin or not. But. Of the woman was version before then that meant something because then she had to start becoming pregame game producing male ears her first husband like I said, he was actually he died five five months later within that first year of marriage and there was a whole plot and everything and she went after basically King Henry the eighth instead he wanted her to kind of two sided and I love how the show actually will get more into that later kind of portrays as well. Then we have Jane Seymour she was actually a just married like four days to King Henry the eighth right after Angolans execution and she actually served leading. New waiting to both Queens Catherine of Aragon and Amblin. Very tricky and she birth Edward the six very cool. She was buried also next to King Henry the eighth because now they finally had a wife and that actually was of he put an royal stature and she boris son for him but she died in childbirth like right after the baby was still an infant basically looked at it as like the only one that really gave him what he wants, and that is why she was able to be buried next to the chapel next to King Henry the eighth. Then of course, after she died, he was looking for another queen. Again and we have an of cleves This is where he was actually pressured in his time of rain to actually have a take on another wife and he's was actually considered ugly wife. She was German as soon as they were about to be in the process of the wedding, he tried to stop it like midway and he divorced her after six months and they used to call her as a nickname, the king sister because they were no longer married but she still had like some type of like status and she actually died in peace. He actually paid her off and everything. So she actually did like a win win here. She'd have to deal with him at all. Then we have Catherine Howard who was another didn't lady-in-waiting and she was leading waiting to cleese. You can see the pattern here at this point in time Henry is a bit overweight and a bit older and Catherine Howard was actually only nineteen years old. She was actually accused of adultery even though she was showered with gifts from King. Henry the eighth I would assume if based off the evidence at this point. Member she's still like a kid. She's only nineteen years old and this is like older older man. So she probably wasn't attracted to him, which is why keep showed her so much. What gives the kind of like you know keep his wife happy. But she probably went up went ahead and pursued other men. But again, this just his accusations we don't know for sure if she actually did cheat on him and then finally we have Catherine Parr Catherine Parr. I admire the most because she was really based off history and timelines really the only wife that actually was able likley influence the King King Henry and when I'm saying is basically she was interested in partisan and she was influence on the culture, the religion, the education of King Henry Children and the role of women throughout the time and she also played regent. when King Henry actually goes to war in France, which is also depicted in the TV show. And she was stored the succession of of his daughters. Here's the crazy thing that can henry the eighth did even though he had doors, he never really even expected them as woman he kind of took away their status to basis basically ascend the throne in case, anything was to happen to him because they weren't boys I mean at the time of course for them for their culture it made sense to them. Of course. Now, if you were to do something like that, we all GonNa look at you like what? What? I'm your blood to like what's up with that and I can do anything man can do. So actually she died a year later after King Henry died but says, she is like one of the most inspiring ones of out of all his wives everyone basically. Had a part to play like Jane Seymour was the one that friendly bore him. A son because she literally did become Queen and was his wife unlike the previous one that was more like just his lady. Mistress and then Kevin. Baragan was only when he really actually loved and she gave him his first child, which is bloody Mary, and then in Berlin even though regardless of everything that happened with her, she was actually the one that kind of was the influence to him wanting to do the Church of England and she then of course, gives him the child of the Virgin Queen Queen Elizabeth. So every wife had a part to play a throughout this. So I Found that very, very interesting and again, but I do look at the part of the most because she was able to be at least evidence shows us a wonderful stepmother to both his two daughters and make them feel like welcome. A lot of the wise dour displayed on the show, the TUDORS day kind of threatens like, for example, Jane Seymour, she was made to be much lower than the his very first daughter, for example. So imagine how she felt. If, that's accurate though, but that's how it is portrayed in the TV show. So the entire like I said, it literally is all about king, Henry the eighth, his wife, his children, and all the different like things that he goes through with like Rome and Catholic fate, Protestant Church of England, all these different things, and you really start to see in this show to like what it means to really have a status as a boy or as a girl, and of course, like after he dies it, the succession actually goes to his son. Anyway and brooding his son had the power because there's wasn't even mature enough at that point yet but it's crazy how like it goes to the boy who is younger than both of his daughters and really should have went to just marry altogether. But Hey, she's the eldest of course in that time frame that would never happen. So again, he's known for again, Y his romanticism. And it's crazy because all these wives that he had did really a big reflect on the politics that he dealt with in England at the time and the was created by Michael Hurst. The show had to eventually, of course, come to an end because it really did explain the story of how his nine year old son succeeded and he actually died six years later of course then becomes. The King of England and Ireland, after King Henry, the eighth is dead and he's raised as a protestant. His sister is married the first known as Bloody Mary She tried to bring England back to the church in doing. So she burned a lot of people. to bring. Bath Catholic. The Catholic fate and she was actually married to Philip, the second of Spain's again. This is where history goes in again, and then after she is queen after her younger brother dies again then she's dies and then we have Elizabeth I queen of England and Ireland, and she's also known as the famous Virgin Queen. She is the last of the House of Tudor. So she ends it because she never had any kids and as said, she never had sex either. But there's TV show called read. The actually explains a furthermore about what was happening at the time. With the Queen of England, which is the Virgin. Queen and of course, many of you probably seen so many movies about the version queen as well how she did have lovers and stuff like that and a very specific one. But again, never had any children and this is where also in rain where the version Queen is actually the cousin of Mary Queen of Scots which they also explain as well in rain and it's funny because Mary Queen of Scots, even though she is basically kind of a war with queen of England because they both have legitimacy to the throne of England. But at that point in time, Mary was actually married to King Francis. So she had power. Over France and Scotland and if she really wanted to, she could have had power over England's and that's where the few was. But later on throughout the years after Elizabeth the first dies then we have Mary son with Lord Stanley. He actually becomes King of Scotland England and Ireland. This is pretty cool because it's kind of like I ironically you know. So again this is like things again that happened you know throughout the time line and everything like that. Of course does events happens like later on but coming up after the break we'll finally get into the one and only the Spanish princess which again, we'll talk about the prequels of King Henry the eighth you don't WanNa. Miss It. WanNa find out what movies to go see and check out the GS AMC movie podcast. It's your ticket to the latest movies whether it's a new blockbuster event, romantic comedy or action. This show has got it all covered they talk some what to go see now don't bother what's hot on Netflix everything in between that's GMC PODCAST DOT COM back slash movie dash podcast when it's all about the movies it has to be this new show. Don't forget to like them on facebook and follow them on twitter visit gs MC podcast, the COM for more info. All right everyone. Welcome back from the break we're coming to a close to our show I hope everyone has enjoyed the episode so far I hope you've been intrigued by all the facts and the monarchs. So. If you're now tuning in, we just finished discussing about King Henry the eighth is TV show called the tutors which you can actually watch on net flicks I believe has about seven or eight seasons. we're not finally going to get into the prequel of his life when it first started out on before he actually became king and when he was about to become king and Cetera et Cetera. So I have to admit though when I first watched the tutors. I didn't realize who his first wife was but finally when it came into the Spanish princess, which they actually called the TV show the last installment to when they started the white queen, the White Princess, and now the Spanish princess. So again, the way the you would watch all shows. As you leave the tutors for last because these top three shows are the prequels before you watched tutors. Again if you've watched it before. And you will watch the White Queen, the White Princess, and then the Spanish princess it all literally follows in place for the timeline. So the way season one that starts off for the Spanish print size is we finally are introduced to Catherine of Aragon really is and who are parents are, which again I mentioned a little bit earlier in the show we have Ferdinand a second and Isabel of Casteel the first. So the show is very important because it swings her bloodline and she was the mother of Bloody Mary She actually was also the first female ambassador in history and again before she was married to King Henry, the eighth she was actually married to his older brother to Arthur Prince of Wales who died five months later and basically within their for it's your marriage but it was never consummated, which is why she was able to marry Henry the eighth but lead Ron this whole conspiracy happens where can henry the eighth felt like she did have sex with him wasn't aversion when they were married. So he was able to finally unknown and divorce their marriage then. She also played as region of England while King Henry, the eighth was fighting in France. So in season two we're definitely going to see the wedding and when they have the coronation of him being king and Queen King Henry however is already claimed King in the first season of the Spanish princess because his father actually, we actually see we actually witness can henry seven dining in the Spanish princess It's weird. I don't know if this is accurate or not but like hurt his father actually tried marrying. The Queen. Catherine before carrying the aid tax, she gets her because he actually didn't agree with the marriage Elizabeth of York. She did not agree with the marriage either in the TV show I'm not sure if that's accurate or not. But it would make sense if the events that happened on the TV show actually true events the way the descriptive of these that one part. So an I think honesty from my perspective I think it's because to like the way the show. Portrayed it because she was already married to one of the brothers. So her parents, the other brother that kind of looked at her like Ra era slut shamed her you know unfortunately, and during this time to this is also when Christopher Columbus comes to rise because you may have noticed in an end the second of Aragona Isabela Casteel they are the king of Spain that kind of like employed Christopher Columbus go starting to start off like seeing other parts. Of the new world to be cleaned. So this is during this era and Christopher Columbus actually is in the first part of Spanish princess. So I'm not sure if I'm hoping that they do that again too because there's a lot of controversy especially with people like Christopher, Columbus like him claiming that he found parts of America, and all these different things. Of course, in my opinion, I do not agree with that because the Vikings were actually won the first few people to do that, and then on top of that to me. Were already living here people so you should actually be giving the claim to them. So yeah. He. was basically reporting back to them. You know of what he found in stuff like that as you as you know throughout history. And again, they have many kids as well like Queen Catherine of Aragon her sister I believe as Jonah. She actually is known as like the like the mad, but we'll get more into that leader. So throughout season two so far in the trailer the start see how Catherine. is having trouble getting pregnant because as soon as they get married King, Henry's all about like producing, of course. And it explains what is happening again in other countries at the time like I said before finding America she This this also explains too why if you watch the tutors TV show why she looks much older in the tutors is because again, they were married at very young age like around seventeen nineteen years old. So at this point in time, you know this is literally the beginning of the all the beginning of their love. So she gave no sons to Henry and there was rumors flying around that she was never. Really a aversion and in the TV show to like Henry had sex with her oldest sister and the way now it may be inaccurate or accurate. But the way it was portrayed wanted to show you in the first season how she was lying about the marriage between his hurt her in his older brother and no one believed her that he did not consummate the marriage, the way it was portrayed in. The spend the first very first season. There was a point in time a scene where thought they were having sex split I. Guess they weren't. So it's really hard to explain and then King Henry. Of course, he is shown to be a manipulator and Aligarh when he lies to her face in my the last episode of season one that he never had sex with the sister. So already, you're just like they did all this work in the first season to be together after a while, but then it's an everyone. was trying to split them apart but then of course, their marriage and the relationship starts off on ally. So it's just crazy and of course, Katherine never agreed with him going to war with France at this point in time, and we see that in the trailer as well Catherine was supposed to be with Henry older brother who died she was already married to him, but it was never constant I'm sorry consummated but apparently, they did not have sex so and it's crazy 'cause I feel like with all these shows. Of Your was killed. So that way the tutors could rain because York is basically not mentioned at this point, we're starting new ears restarting new legitimacy. So in season two again. Up Tober Eleventh. Of course, we will have the wedding, the pregnancy, the war in Scotland and France. It's by young lovers We definitely are going to see the famous speech from Catherine who is basically trying to uplift the English. during a fight that happened in England, and again she was one of the only woman Henry really loved then going into her sister now is who wanna La loca the mad. She's very important because she could not rule due to the men in her life and the only reason why her older sister became the Queen of Aragon and Casteel was because of her father's throne. and. Then Isabel of Castile, which is both their their their mother she actually dies but the way the Mother did it was she actually gave the throne to her on her deathbed because her older brother older sister the older brother actually has one he dies of an illness and then the sister that was older than both in them, which is why I didn't go to her. She actually dies in Albert so. It didn't work out for the two older siblings. So then we're left with WANNA and Catherine, and basically her husband was Philip the fateful but he was never really faithful at least that's how it is portrayed in the show and her father was still he was still alive for Nanosecond but her father actually wanted to be the one to actually control Casteel, which was his wife's territory. So even though they've ruled Spain together Ferdinand, the second Isabel of course. They actually were like, say, for example, Isabel of Castille can not have any. Over Aragon because that was her husband's area and bugs versa. So she actually was one of the Queen's birds like no, this is mine. You can't take it from me even more married to you. It didn't work that way for one because Isabel Casteel said that until she's able to produce an ear and he would actually become the ear to that territory to Casteel. But at the time her father would have been region. So of course, then her husband wants the power to that she's married because he feels like well, I'm married turn. So that should be my property. So then we have again, they had six children, the all became kings and Queens, of course. In. Their own right between the countries of Portugal France Spain and Denmark, and Hungary. You see how power goes here her husband cheated harm many times and the car the mad because apparently she ran she went into fits rages and depression because of that. The ironic thing is how he is called faithful but he should be called the unfaithful. So WanNA became again air to casteel and arrogant. But as I said before, she never really got to roll because of her husband and her father, and again, this kind of affects the relationship between her and Catherine of Aragon because even the captain was queen again as a woman, you really didn't have much influence much say-so but. Can have any respect to her as Like as a good king and a good husband because she was the one wife where it was like she told her what to do you do it based on what her husband is because back then it's all about obeying husband we don't to use those terms now because it's more like the husband Kinda controls the wife because he's the head of the house where he's headed families the head of the royal family. So that's just how it works. You know back then and again. If you really WANNA get into the understanding of the show I would recommend watching season one, and of course, he's in two October eleventh when it premieres. But before watching the Spanish princess, you will have a better understanding if you watch the white queen and the white princess because you start to see where things started where things escalated with things de escalated and why it makes sense to watch the Spanish princess before watching the tutors. I wouldn't dive right into it because again, where the tutors comes off at this point in time Catherine and They basically weren't moving like a married couple anymore he was already at this point having sex with other women. I. Mean. He's probably was doing it throughout the entire marriage anyway. There was a point time again where the did love each other and they did wanted to be together and where he was still hopeful that she may have sons said that we can have ears to the throne, of course, not doors but sons. So again, thank you for listening to monarch sent facts and history today open enjoyed the episode. Again, you can watch all four of these shows right now really wanted to white queen the. White Princess's on stars. The tutors is on Netflix and a Spanish princess is also on stars. Okay. 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566: Game of Thrones S8E5 Review: "The Bells"

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566: Game of Thrones S8E5 Review: "The Bells"

"Welcome back. Everybody to the game of thrones flash cast, I'm Jason Snell. And for our believe it or not, it's our penultimate at the sewed before the show is over fun, where to say, and also it is our final Sunday night together, you and me Bryan Hamilton. Hello, hello. I'm here to talk about my pen ultimate, it is a Lami safari. Fountain pen, it is the ultimate pen. Let me tell you. It's got the Incas got the cap. Hi, welcome to the game. Yes. I say it's our final Sunday because even though game of thrones we'll be back next Sunday for the final episode just a warning up front here. If you want to hear what we have to say about it. We're going to take a day, it's going to be Monday night that we record that for some travel reasons, but also, I think, for some reasons that maybe we should take a moment to consider the last episode of game of thrones before we talk about it, but mostly be on a plane Brian without television during the Nollie of game of thrones. Yeah, man. So when, when the earth burn. Earns below you with the force of angry tweets you'll be you'll be up there safe in the air from everything else. But then I have to hide from the tweets until I get home and sleep and wake up and eat breakfast. And then watching him, he's anyway, that we know horse there's going to be a horse there. I'll ride my white horse in anyway. The episode five the bells is the title. The penultimate episode of game of thrones, and there is a lot that happened. So for those who've said death count, not as high as I expected, guess, what ever lots of people died in this episode lots death. There is a lot here. If I if I well let's just walk through it, and we'll we'll probably stop and swerve about it a million times as we go. So the first block of this is we see various. He's writing a bunch of he's writing notes to people apparently about John snow's parentage, and I feel like this is potentially something that's going to come back next episode where various even though he gets burned alive and dead that he is disseminating information before his death about this, because he's decided to sew the seeds of a popular uprising for John snow as the actual. King of west row. So that's happening. And John snow arrives and basically. Varis is there to say you need to be the king? He doesn't say deniro, wouldn't make a good Queen. He says it's a coin flip. Gary in coin flip, and I'm sure about you. So I think he says, no, no. She's my Queen, and he walks out. And I thought this is an interesting moment, which is like he goes back to his office, and starts writing more things down. And I thought this is an interesting choice by various who has a very clever character, and I think we're going to say this a lot, maybe where is it the show wants to get a character in a particular place? And so is going to have the character do things that don't really fit with what we've seen up to, now because I feel there as being a sneaky guy, the moment that, that he tells John, I'm with you. And he's, I'm with deniro and leaves. I think I think very should be out there like immediately because that moment, I'm like various, you just gotta turn around and get on a boat and just go somewhere else, because you're done for, but he doesn't and he's done for, because he's then 'cause Tyrian, of course, breaks the news to deniro's that the various betrayed her, and she's like, well, you know, John also. Betrayed me and really Ferris's betrayal is just a chain of betrayal. That goes from John Sansa to you to Varis. Of course it means. It's John that betrayed. Yeah. Yeah. And not various although Vera's like is extra betray their and, and Sansa. You know, in what I think is very good moment for deniro's in an episode that I have lots of questions about to. She basically says she trusted you to spread secrets. That's, you know, sense used you and you allowed yourself to be used and she knew how to play you, and you did it so good job. And yeah, yeah, I feel like we have that moment, where deniro's is in the in the war room. Not eating anything not seeing anybody and various isn't concerned for her. He's concerned for everyone. And again, there's that moment of the realm over, individual people. And I think that's where his fatal flaw is in this moment, because, of course, he got some ravens out with the information about John, but I feel like in this moment he is so dedicated to the realm that despite anything that may come of him. He is more dedicated to getting the information out to make sure that when he's gone something could be sown. West rose to get a, a rebellion and last week, what do you think it's going to take for various or Tyrians amounts of straight up rebellion looks like it already happened. Looks like it opened this app. It's, it's, it's there are two instances because there's one later as well where we've got a character who has victory in death. I think which is interesting where a character in their moments before they die. Makes a move that will outlive them. And I think Varis I think you're right. I think a pretty good way. I mean look, who knows we watched the show, and then we immediately talk about it, and then afterward, you know, we'll be like oh, that's not at all. What I thought right afterward? But right, for right now, I'm going to say like this does arguably seem to be just Varis as made his move and his move is he's going to see as much of this information out there as he can. And that's how this is gonna work because in the end various end nearest believe may rhyme. They believe the same thing, which is this deadly information that will. Be catastrophic to her ability to rain that this that, that if this gets out. She is going to have a very hard time holding on to the iron throne if she gets it because John has a better claim and the people like him, and they only and potentially as motivating in, at least in part her behavior in this episode that, that, that, you know, she can't be liked. She can't out like John. So she's going to have to just put the fear into everyone. And so various is just he's playing his last card here. But I think it's interesting because, you know. I mean I don't know very seem to be a guy who is really good about holding things close to his chest. And then making a move quickly and leaving if it doesn't work out. That's what we've seen before. And then this one, you know, I don't know. I just kind of expected him to either try to stay and steer things from, you know, from dragon stone and wherever deniro's and John are or get out. And instead, you know, I don't know. Maybe I guess he was he was taking a chance that Tyrian wasn't gonna gonna tournament or but but you know once he told John, I thought the jig was up. But anyway. Good-bye varis. He got very briefly about the facts that we're recording this immediately after the episode there was maybe a half hour long break, while I wait for you to finish because he started a little bit later than me. And in that time I went on slacks, I Texas. When people I went on Twitter and things I would like to be on record as the only person on the entire internet's who liked this. I thought, well, Bryan, I'm gonna I'm gonna level with you. I thought it was great. I thought this episode is great. I have some issues with what they're doing with some of the characters on this show as a piece of, of filmed entertainment, it was pretty spectacular and entertaining, to watch and had some aspects that we'll talk about that. I thought were really interesting. But yes, it does seem like there's an initial response that is super negative to this episode. I want to of course, reserve my right to change my mind just week after. I'm seeing some people saying that they're not sure if they want to watch the finale. Which after all this time one episode, I can't believe it makes sense to me that the internet doesn't like this, because, of course, ending a massive show like this that's been on for nine years at this point is going to be impossible to please everyone. So for sure I'm happy with what they're doing in the way that I'm happy that they're making bold decisions to do things to move the plot forward and with one episode left. They had a lot of moving to this episode, and I think they did it, but of course, I reserve the right to change my mind by next week when we've had some more time think about was this worth -absolutely not just the season. But the literal eight seasons we have invested into the show. Yeah. The part of doing the flash cast is as we said last week. Right. Is it's the quick, if the quick reaction thing. And, you know, you might have a different reaction. If you watch it again and you ponder it. And all of those things I do for me the push and pull of this, this last season has been. The spectacle, and the and trying to get to a feeling of resolution versus engineering, the plot. And then forcing the characters to do things that were out of character in order to get the plot where they wanted them to go, and it's a tough, it's a tough thing. There was a good Twitter thread about this last week know in the short version of it is, you know, George r r Martin was flying by the seat of his pants and letting his characters take him where they wanted to go and bending off in Weiss got in this thing. Right. And so they, you know two years ago, whatever three years ago. Drew up a plan for the last two seasons and everything that needed to happen, and then wrote scripts around it and the problem with being a planner like that is you've drawn up the rules of what the characters have to do. And even if in the moments, the characters don't seem like they would do that doesn't matter. They gotta do it. And I think there are some examples of that, I wonder about Varis as one example of that, but I. Think we'll get to it as we go deniro says the example of that, but I think there are others, too, and the what I like about this season, I will say is, I think they've done some interesting things in terms of not telling the story people expected. Yes. And you know, you're going to get a lot of hell from people about that. But I love it. I love it. When somebody makes a bold move and says, we're not going to give them what they think they're going to get. And I do think we've gotten a lot of that this season. Who? Yeah. We have fun podcast to do here. What comes next Jason what does come next? Well, this the, the scene with denarius and Tyrian also has a lot of stuff in it of our intentions were good. Well, it doesn't matter. Now there's a very, very pretentious of things to come that are going to be not that great. But so drew. Arkansas' burns barris to death. So that's the end of Farris, barris feels like shutting down the postal service where it's not the only way to get information around budge the one that's been with us forever. What will all of those little birds do without their candy and weird life advice from various? I don't know. So I am I note here and it turned out, I should've saved us note for later, but even just at the beginning, when she does this, and we've seen the hints of this going back to last last season or even the season for the loot train where she sets SAM's brother and father on fire. This is the downside of being targeted. I guess, which is, you know, her her what her dad was deposed and killed in part because one of the things that he did was burned people alive and generis sort of leaning into the whole burning people alive at this point. Guess what? It's going to get going to get more of that. We're going to it's gonna get worse. It's gonna get worse. Feel like okay, I'll write down about to say because it's more relevant later. Bernie people live, earning people alive. Okay. John. So John shows up, they have their superoxide scene where she says your sister, basically killed him by spreading this information. And she says this is the problem here is I don't have love, I only have fear and Johnson's Bill. I love you and then she kisses him. And then she's like so, but not in that way, is what you're saying. Okay. I'm going to let it be. Fear. And I'm just gonna take a moment here to say because I think this, this is a threat throughout this episode. This is the point where I wanted to flag it. I, which is I don't know if this is probably an understatement. I feel like some of generis behavior is not really in keeping with dinner. We've followed for eight seasons, and this is a good example of it, where I think there's a I could probably get my head around making an argument about why her behavior is the way it is now that she has lost two dragons, and she went this, this whole out of her way thing for John snow to save humanity but still out of her way of what her goal was her goal is to take power. And she's at all these bad things happen to her. And yet, at the same time like this is a moment where a special essentially, she is. She is turned down by her boyfriend at which point she decides to kill everybody, and I'm like. No, no. I don't like I don't like the connotations of this in the moment I can sort of accept it as being this is a ruler who has two choices and John is the personification of the choice. She can't make not only will he not provide her with affection anymore, but he's also her greatest rival, I get it on that level. But I don't really like the fact that in the end the girl tries tries to kiss. The boy the boy doesn't kiss her back. And so she decides to murder everyone. I don't know when to say this in the episode. So I'm going to say as early as possible, which I guess, is now the thing that the world needs right now is not the woman is too crazy to lead western. So let's get the man in there. And I feel like this is the first moment where we really see that in play. We get a lot of that later on in terms of whether or not nearest is a fit ruler end. I feel like up until now they've done a good job with an undercurrent of this may not be the person to trust. But I feel like this. Episode in particular, does a bad job of framing her character choices around the fact that she is a woman, and the fact that there's a whole bunch of other things going on around her in that respect the other thing about the scene. Is that what's the line? Sauna killed various just as much as I did that is legitimate, like abuser language and gas lighting in a really, really screwed up way. Like that was a massive red flag for generis for me for her to say something so manipulative in, like a sexy wrong, where in seductive trusting voice. And the fact that the very next thing was, you are my Queen, but you're also more than that, and they try to kiss, and John pulls away, and that's again, another abuser technique of don't you like you know what we have, and don't you like the things that we have built up in our relationship to the point where you don't wanna lose this do you smooth? And that's such a disturbing abuser. Pattern of behavior, and I feel it go. Well, I was going to say, I think. I mean, did narrow has a has a very difficult back story. And I think I could again I could make a case for her behaviour. I think maybe creatively, the problem here is the producers got them together. And then immediately pushed them apart. And I. I don't know. I don't think it makes a lot of sense. I don't think it really works for me that, like I the way I read it, especially, given how loyal John is, is if he's going to be that, loyal. I'm not sure I buy that he's loyal, but because they're related he without saying anything is not going to return her affection, and that she reads that as his rejection of her and betrayal of her, even though he's actually professing his loyalty. It's it muddies the whole relationship in a way that, like if you're not. I mean obviously, this is what they wanted to have happen. But I feel like it, it co mingles it in a way that I don't appreciate that either. It should have been more, or it should have been not. But not this weird kind of like one step in and then a quick pull away. So just so that they can like I said earlier, so they can make this moment where she feels isolated and betrayed even by the people who are loyal to her. You know, I, I don't know there's, there's so much more here. Yeah, definitely, especially because they this is the first time, she's had any sort of internal strife in harangues, and she doesn't know how to handle that not to mention the dead dragon. So I feel like this is a lot of confused reactions from not knowing how to how to make this work and other things. They're not communicating. This feels like a nineties movie where if two people just call each other on the phone. They would have been able this out in they're not. They I would say. Deniro's isolated. Right. Deniro has lost her one of her biggest issue, she's lost her Masan day. Right. She's lost. Giora. She has laws various who has betrayed her. She doesn't trust Tyrian anymore, basically, and John. She now views as a rival who is just loyal because he won't follow her ultimatum, right? Which I said what like last week. Yeah, not a good thing to build any relationship on is giving somebody ultimate him but deniro's become accustomed to giving orders because she's in charge. And I think that goes back to, like, I the challenge here is that the roots of deniro says behavior have been planted in some places. I think over the course of eight seasons. The problem is that the show has really wanted us to view her as the hero of the story, and it feels like the show is not really earned the hard, turn that it's made with her, and I thought it was a fake out. Going into this episode. I don't think it's a fake out. Now, I think this is their point is they want to. And, you know, I think that I understand the point they're trying to make well we'll get to it. We'll get to it. But I, I think the nearest is the is the core of a lot of people's frustration with this season, is that this is a character. We've seen for all this time. And now the move she's making. I'm not sure if they line up with how I viewed this character up to now. Exactly last week when we see genera storm off away from the walls of the red keep, and she's angry at Masan death. I was on her side. It was too narrow destroy king's landing do. All these not striking's. Yeah. It's an air as user dragons, do the thing, this is going to be great. But watching it this week. And how ill went down. I am so much less enthused. The bells the bells, the bells Brian, the bell the name of the bad is that is our moment. But we aren't there yet. Very, we basically, went in these scenes, what she points out, is that Syria is counting on our mercy that. Is that is our weakness? And Tyrian is basically saying, please say the people of king's landing. I think it's interesting here and again, I think the show is omitted, a bunch of stuff, which is fine. But, like Tyrian doesn't I don't see Tyrian offering insight as the hand of the Queen anymore. I just see him baking for people's lives and clearly there's a battle plan going on here, but we never see the battle plan. I would I would have kind of, like I don't need to see lots of maps, but I would have liked a little more of an indication that Tyrian is also helping with strategy and a good way and that he's a helpful person because instead all we're really getting his please. My sister, pleas for mercy. Listen for the bells, and I would have liked to him to see a little more well rounded, like he also has value because instead all all deniro you talking about manipulative lines. She says, oh, by the way, you're, we captured your brother and the next time you feel me will be the last time. So that was bad. Another alternate them deniro's. The and what does episode really wants us to do is? Oh, she's she's actually like her. Dad. She's a she's a bad one. She's a bad one who kills people and issues all tomatoes, and she's not even in charge yet. And she's already a bad ruler. I just. What we see in the season. Yeah. Okay. But not sure I buy the turn. That's all exactly there really wasn't much strategizing. There really wasn't much information given from Marissa. Have a plan right somewhere somehow about a plan was put together about how the dragon is used and all of that, and they withheld from us because they wanted to be as priced. That's okay. I just I feel like it makes Tyrian field. Completely useless. Like, why, why are you keeping them around at all if he's not offering? Can you remind us that he's a brilliant, tactical guy who has value to being in the room? But we haven't seen that this season given how much they glossed over any sort of battle plan or strategy talk. I thought there would be a twist this episode during the battle, where almost like at a heist movie where you don't see them plan, the heist. But then the high starts to go off, and then they cut back and forth between training, the computer guy trading the explosives guy, and there's like you see the training for, and planning of the heist during the heist, and it's almost a twist how the heist goes down. I thought they would do that this episode with like oh, and now suddenly, there's another flank coming in, and that's the twist of the episode is that this is how they destroy king's landing, but they didn't. And they really reduced every single piece of strategy talk down to. Tyrians one very important line about the bells. Yeah. So Tyrian has a plan, which is he's going to ask Davos to get a boat and he's gonna go and use his power as the hand of the Queen to get the unsullied who he doesn't speak unsullied in a brief funny moment in this episode. He's very bad at whatever language it is that the unsullied speak, and they're like to eat the skull. Yes, we would how we speak common. All right. I'm going to see the prisoner and you're all dismissed because I rank you like okay and they're they're out of there, and it's and it is our moment. Very clearly our moment of farewell between Tyrian and Jamie, and Jamie gets caught because they spotted his metal hand turns out, and he says, well, they did seriously did call me the stupid Lancaster. Petitjean tries again, with, like think of your child think of your child, and this has been one of those things. The tearing keeps going on about, and Jamie's got the right answer, which is this, why she's doing this like this is this is the reason she's doing this. It's not it's not a reason to save people. It's a why she's going to destroy everything. And Tyrian says, again the city will fall tomorrow. And I think this is important too, because we've seen the vulnerability of the dragons and I thought this was like a fake out with like, oh, yeah. We're going to win tomorrow, and so many fought spin. Right. And, and he says. No, no, no. I know the city better than they wanna fall. And again, this is where I say, I feel like a little bit of a better hint about the strategy. I know they wanted to be a surprise, but a little bit more about them strategizing. Because the last couple of times we've seen they're planning. It hasn't gone. Well, they got they got overrun by the ambi- hoard. They lost a dragon to, to European and his scorpion. Like I wanted a little more confidence that I didn't feel the they earned from me. And so I thought it was weird. We're like, look, I know the city will fall tomorrow turns out there Lutely. Right. But I thought it was weird that they, they treat it as a fate of complete. We look. Jamie and what you're doing. You're saying Jamie stick in using them way, I snuck out, there's a nice callback to when Jamie helped Tyrian escape Tyrian is now helping Jamie escape and says, I didn't know I get to repay the favor. Go sneak back in where I snuck out and get Searcy and escape depend hosts and, and just run away and you guys don't have to die today. And that's, that's sort of Tyrians big master strategy, stroke is to get his to give his sister and brother one last chance at redemption, like he hates he hates her. But he doesn't want to all die. I see a relevant message in slack about this and will hold off on, on your on for a little bit. But I have to say about the Tyrian and Jamie seen one. I cried all admitted I cried the scene. There last hug was so beautiful and two. There was a moment. There's a thing on Twitter where someone screen cap that scene. And said this is the first time Tyrian has ever been framed as taller than Jane. And there, there's a beautiful moment where like okay this is how we're going to be doing this. I'm going to be saving you. I'm going to be unlocking you this time. I loved it, and even though they've had their differences for, sir. It made me this is one of the moments in the show that made me really feel like this is something I've invested almost a decade of my life into. And this is the kind of emotional payoff of, I know we're never going to see each other. Again, here's a hug between brothers. I loved it. I love the scene. About. He also says your Queen will execute you for this and tearing gets to be a little bit heroin. And basically say look there tens of thousands of innocent lives that I could save. I'm a very not innocent dwarf, it seems like a fair trade. And then their last line is you're the only one who didn't treat me like a monster. He says, I wouldn't survive without you. And, and it's a yes, it is a it is a good moment about these characters because it's very clearly the last time they're going to see each other in the show has not shied away from people saying goodbyes and having it be clear that these are good buys. These are actual goodbyes. We need that last moment with them, exactly. The next bit, I believe, is the is the start of the battle is that we're talking about next, so you're on out there. They're preparing for battle Arianna hound are making their way inside Jamie is also sort of making his way inside the golden company is standing outside. We get a shot of Searcy looking out the window, where Thomann jumped and. What I like about that shot to, as you can see the ruins of the septum Baylor, 'cause I remember when they blew that up. Well, there it is there you can see the ruins there and this is actually the aria get in just inside and Jamie doesn't so he has to use his knowledge of king's landing geography to find his way somewhere else because he doesn't get into the, the red keep in time. And everybody likes us, I'm we see the mother and daughter that we follow throughout the episode mother and daughter scampering trying to get into the gate and they don't because the hound aria getting in just in front of them. They look to the skies and what bothered me. The only logic thing that bothered me about this episode was that last week. We saw the golden company, destroy a dragon almost instantly and everyone retreated. They destroyed a whole fleet. It was really bad. It was the it was the it was the iron born. It was Iran Iran's fleet. So what, what I got this one, I got this one, which is they were surprised that they were there with an upgraded scorpion and this time, they know exactly what this weapon is and deniro has strategy again, that we don't see them pre strategizing about, but she flies out of the sun. She knows that they're slow to reload and they're slow to turn. And so she flies in a pattern where by the time they get around to her, she can destroy them, and I think that the episode sort of showed that, and then the ones on the walls similar way that once once they get a chance to fire a she can go in for the kill, and she's got a better idea now that she's prepared. And she knows what they can do in a way that she wasn't expecting last time when she got caught by surprise. So I feel like I feel like it played fair. It is a problem in the sense that you, you are basically saying, look at this enemy, they are so powerful. How will you defeat them? And the next episode, you say it was actually quite. Easy to defeat them. But I do think they tried to show why she was able to kind of move around and destroy the scorpions that makes sense. That's exactly how I feel about the Nazi biker gang and breaking bad, where for one of my favorite shows of all time, the final villain that they wind up facing is not in my opinion worthy enough adversary, for the main characters to have to deal with. And I thought last week, what happened was that they show king's landing there, just they destroy the dragon with one the bolts from the crossbow, and it, wow. Now up like I thought that was the show broadcasting that generis was screwed. But I guess like I feel like not enough changed this week, four deniro and the dragon to be so adept at avoiding them, I don't know. Maybe there's just offscreen head cannoning. We can do, but that was the one thing that really gave my pas like she was change. She was caught by surprise last time. And now they know that they're there and they've got a plan and she she goes really high and then comes down out of the sun. And, and, and they have a hard time targeting her, and she they have to fire straight up. And she dodges that. And at that point, she gets down low and his in among them, and they have to turn there they're trying to turn around and reload and they fail. So it worked it worked for me. I loved the close ups of the people running the crossbows crossbow by committee, where there's one person go go behind us. Okay. And then everyone friend are overwhelmed funny. They're overwhelmed with that. Which is, which is this is actually where I wrote in my notes, I assume there's a battle plan, we didn't see, but the this is the scorpions have been destroyed Khyber and has to break the news, too, seriously, the scorpions are gone. She's like, well, we can take them down. He's like, no, they she blew up all my scorpions the iron fleet will protect us. No, it's burning in the harbor. Well, our mental fight harder than those stupid, sell swords, because the golden company has also been basically set on fire by dragon. And I think I think the argument here is. These were set up to be super big impediments, but I think the assumption was if a dragon the dragon is, and I'm going to come back to this, actually the dragon as a weapon of mass destruction. That's more clear than ever. And what the assumption here was it's a fair fight. If there are no dragons. So if the scorpion plan works. They then they've got the golden company to take out. They're ragtag bit of northern and doth Raqi troops, and then it's a fair fight, and they may win or lose. But it'll be close. But if the dragon can manage to disarm the anti dragon weapons. Then it's over. And that that's basically the truth. Right. Is that is that as the loot train taught us? And as we've seen a couple of other places if you can, if the dragon has nothing to hurt it. You can't defeat it. It's exactly. And watching, sir c like, oh, we're fine. We're fine. We're fine me feel a little bit better about the fact that I was confused as well. Like, why is this so easy compared to last week? And yet she has more experience knows what to expect. But watching sir field. Exact same thing. I felt like, oh well they destroy this. Okay. Well, they destroyed this that made me feel a lot better about my own confusion. So so I'm disturbed by with in that way. I'm of two minds of too, because I feel like sometimes seriously, I read her as being that she's kinda lost it and, and other times I think it's all part of her strategy and there's a moment in the books, actually, where I thought I think Jerry Marin really leans into like she is, she is. Just a kind of a crazy person and know nobody around her can get her to listen to reason, and I felt like I felt that by tonight, which is like for her to get where she is. She's had to have this iron will, and she's going to, like, we're gonna make it and she has made it through all of these kind of unbelievable situations. And so she is totally out of touch with reality. But, you know, can you blame her at this point? She's she's managed to make it work before her guy has a plan. They've already taken out a dragon like she feels pretty good. And when it all starts go wrong. She can't believe it and I find that I find that believable even though it is. It is weird. Right. It's super weird to see her sitting there in complete denial. But that's I mean I, I don't think it's unreasonable for somebody like her to have in that moment. Like just not even considering the possibility that she could lose. Exactly. And I also want to call again, in this moment of really bad treatment, and writing of women in this episode that, even though we've had literal eight years of being a person who does not understand how rolling works and all of that this is another moment of a woman being disconnected from reality. In a way that made me a little uncomfortable to watch. Well, it is it is true that we have these women in leading roles. But it is also true that this show is now seemingly commenting about the fact that the, the women who are the leaders are not suitable. And I think that's I think the multiple layers of meaning and when you get to that second layer sort of window second, like deniro. Counterpoint to Searcy and issue. Now, like that's the I think that's part of the problem. If game of thrones were worse, they were like we're not that dissimilar you. And we instead they stare, the they just look at each other from afar while the dragons on the city wall. But we're almost there to Tyrian so they face the dragon blows a hole in the wall and troops pour in and they face off with the Lancaster troops in the city. Tyrian is out there looking at the breached wall. The dragon lands, the Lancaster troops drop their swords Jamie continues advancing trying to get in somewhere generis as landed on the wall and his waiting. There is an exchange of looks not that they can see each other, but, like still looks where it's like Tyrian and Searcy and nearest and everybody's waiting John is waiting. And the bells ring, which was Tyrians point of like that means they've surrendered you should spare them. And he's told everybody, that's what you should do. The bills ring they surrender. And we have that moment, and this is the moment that is the key moment of the episode, maybe the series. Wait, wait. Hang on. Hang on hang on and go. Oh, no. The bells. Shame. Shame. Shame ding. Yeah. The, the moment is that she decides? And so why does the nurse do this? Well deniro decided of design. So I said. About the people. She's lost deniro is furious that her what she thought was a clear claimed of a throne is now muddied. She feels that people are being disloyal to her. She's being portrayed all around. She I'm just trying to say take us from a logical standpoint to Narus has decided it is better to be feared. And that fear being feared is her only move. She must be the destroyer Queen and rule under the fear of like she destroyed king's landing she will not, you will not face her and live. So you must bend the knee. This is her solution to this issue of, how does she become the Queen in the end after all of this, this is what she feels that. She's been pushed to buy the legitimacy claims. Now, what I would say, and I think this, nobody thought that I going into this episode that I would be comparing dinners Turkey into somebody like Harry Truman, but here I am. Which is gone. This is this is the moment where narratives decided do I want to do I want to not only get revenge on my enemies, but also slaughter innocent people in order to send a message strike fear in the hearts of my enemies and have the potential for an ongoing battle over who's in charge to be stopped in its tracks, and I'm not saying it's a perfect parallel. But this is using a weapon of mass destruction on a populous that cannot defend itself when the when the battle is over, and the decision that deniro's makes is. As I wrote in my notes, she flies Hobo. Boy, and at that point, it is a spectacular sequence of events. Also, I will, I will say, and there's the moment we're grey worm puts a spear in the back of, of Lancaster guy, he's turned, and they, and they swarm, over them, and, and it all goes to hell immediately. Right. Because not only is she destroying the city, but the army and John snow looks on horror to like all of their forces. They begin to ransack the city they kill innocent people. The there's a scene later where a guy drags a woman into an alley, and then John kills him. Tempted rape should not be attempted rape in this show at this point in twenty fucking nine hundred they want they want, John, you know, I yeah, yeah. Yeah. They wanted to give Johnny heroic moment there. But, like, okay, John. Well, there's the eighty other women in alleys too, but there's the, the one. Okay. That's something that I want to say is I'm like, when they start killing Lancaster's the army. It's interesting what the show has to do to make you really understand that this is an atrocity. That's happening is because because at first I'm sitting there thinking, do they really want me to be sad about them slaughtering, all these Lancaster guys, even though they put down their, their sorts because I remember Jaime riding with his Lancaster guards and, and all his fancy clothes, and slaughtering all of Ned, Stark's people in season one, and I actually have no problem with them completely slaughtering? The Lancaster army the problem is. About thirty seconds later, they're killing everybody else to and at that point, it's like, okay, you have gone on. This is no longer armies at war. This is now. Like I said a war crime. It is an atrocity that is being committed, and John is clearly, deeply disturbed by it. And so on one level, I find this really fascinating because this is deniro saying, I must become the feared monster ruler that my father was if I'm going to rule. And she would rather do that than not rule. And meanwhile, John's there on the ground looking kind of hapless, which I find funny that the show is semi arguing John would be a better king while at the same time he can't even command. His men to not like rape and pillage. So he's really great at that leading people. I don't see it. So I think you clarified something for me. I couldn't clarify until now this scene. This whole sequence for the rest of the show made me feel the exact same dry. Read that I felt during season one when Ned stark in his whole posse of people were being downtrodden upon by the Lancasters, and it's very similar to the moment where, you know, they're killing all the stockmen they've captured Ned and they decapitate him. And I feel like this is the same kind of sadness and tragedy negatively, of course, it's going to be sad. Of course, it's going to be terrible this, I would argue this show is a tragedy and seeing this episode really clarified. How happy things have been going for for the past few episodes because they destroy them night. King, the stocks are all back together in winter fell they, they killed little finger last season. They, they do all these things that felt really good, and it's almost like they want to remind you that this show is so bleak and dark, and, like, yeah, I think I think part of the source of people being frustrated by this the season is going to be that. Maybe they have some expectations here about the characters and how they're going to end up. I think in hindsight, you're going to be able to look. We'll see what happens next week, but you're going to be able to look at this whole thing and say, look, George are more Martin's point, all along has been that the people who rule are not the people most qualified, and that having an all-powerful ruler is a bad idea, and it's bad for everybody who isn't in the chain of command and it was bad before. And it'll be bad again. And the answer of who wins the game of thrones is nobody, but the king, and that is what and so we'll see what happens if there is a. Whether it makes an attempt to do something a little more upbeat in the last episode or not wouldn't be hard. But what, what this episode is saying, is to become the Queen denarius must become a mass murderer that is what this episode says, and I think leaving aside the way she's been depicted in other episodes, and how they wanna make us feel and our expectations leaving aside a bunch of stuff and the depiction of women in the show for the whole time. I think there is an argument to be made that, that is a very clear political statement baked into this universe from the very beginning, which is, of course, the only way to win is to become a monster. That, that is there's no good way to win the game of thrones. You just have to kill everybody else. And that is what this episode is kind of about is at least that. Banaras has embraced that there isn't something better here. That, that's the only really this is her only move, but she chooses to make the move, anyway. The other thing I wanna point out is in that moment when the bell star ringing, there's a really tight close up onto his face. And she starts to GRIs and think, and churn. We see the gears, turning, and I would like to put forth, the theory that more than anything else because of the conversation about the bells earlier between her and Tyrian this whole decision to go. I am become death story of world's on king's landing is all about Tyrian and the Lancasters. Because if you think about the chain of betrayal that she cited earlier about going from John Tucson, so to tear into Varis Tyrian is one of the only people aside from John that she has control over in that chain. And for the sake of getting getting getting Tyrian, and like wanting to stick it to him and spared innocent millions of people. I think that's the main reason she decided to destroy king's landing and kill all the instant people because of the fact that this is something that Tyrian wanted, despite the fact that he's been screwing up his hand of the king, and he's been he was involved in the betrayal of her about John. So I think that is the main driving reason despite all the other like we, we've talked about all the other things I've gone into her feeling this way and wanting to destroy all these different things. And I think I hope at least that next week, we get some kind of reckoning about it that there's going to be some kind of scene between her Tyrian trying to unpack. What's going on? Of course that's going to happen. But I want to be focused on the Lancaster family more than I wanted to be focused on king's landing as a place, as a thing that she destroyed. Yeah. I'm not sure I entirely agree that, like it's, it's about the it's about Tyrian, but certainly, that is like, Tyrians words are not going to be the thing that. Convinces her not to right. Exactly Jamie is down dragons knocking over towers, and it's just like it's death and destruction in king's landing, Jamie is he's, he's on the shore. He's decided to go in the back way where he was supposed to come out. He's at the dinghy that has been left there by the onion Knight, guess what? You're in great. Joy didn't die. They have a big fight. He says you could kill another king before you die. And Jamie's like you're not a king, and he said, well, you know, and he reveals that he has been having sex with, with Jamie sister, the Queen so Beth can't be good for Jamie. He can't be happy and then they, they fight, and he stabs him. And it looks like Jamie's going to die of stab wounds in the end. I'm just going to skip ahead. There's a lot of inner Koetting any end. Jamie gets up. There's a lot of how this fight was choreographed and shot, including I'm a sucker for that scene, where somebody's down on the ground, and they're trying to get to a weapon that's just outta reach. There's a lot of that in here in any en Jamie kills your on. But not before you know you're on is like, well, yeah, but you're not gonna make it either. So I get to be the guy who killed Jimmy Lancaster and Jamie's basically, like whatever do like I'm out fight. This was the only time I was scared of somebody dying in the episode because the show has been really good so far this season about giving people a nice goodbye about when about when they die, what they do right as their dying and just before they die, and how much they like contributed to the world and everything they've done. And this was the one moment where I thought, no, you're on great. Joy cannot kill Jamie. Right. Which was great. Because like if felt like there was a, you know, especially with all the people, making charts of who was going to die. The battle of winter, felon, who's gonna die, the battle of king's landing, and all these different things. I feel like this is the one time where I was screaming. This can't be how he died and going back to, again the Nazi biker gang and breaking bad. This is not a worthy enough character for one of our main characters in the very last moment of the show. I think you're on some not too biker gang. I think that works. The other thing is that you mentioned inter cutting this felt like you know, this whole episode felt like the third act of a marvel movie jumping back and forth between different things from just the right time. I think it worked from an editing perspective. But it was also exhausting to watch I was carried away by it. I thought the technically this is the funny thing and talking about this episode is that I think technically this episode of brilliant. I think it's very exciting to watch. I think the themes are troubling, and I'm not sure it I think, I think if you're, if you're critical of the way that this show has been plotted and the way that they're trying to find, I think it'd be very easy to hold two thoughts in your mind, which is one. This was an amazingly built episode of television and also, I'm not sure that the story holds together with the larger story, I think you could hold both of those in your head at once and that sorta wear I'm leaning. But in the moment, I thought, as opposed to two weeks ago, the with a battle with the dead, which I. Didn't super enjoy. I wasn't like Monty and hated the whole thing. But I also thought that they kinda miss stepped technically I have no complaints technically about this episode. It's very well put together. It's, it's kind of amazing. Seriously still watching from above. There are some moments earlier to that I should mention because they happen in the same home, and I love those moments where things are silent, and people are hearing things explode in the distance because it's that moment of like a boy, something's coming like it's happening on the other side and Searcy has the to where she's looking out, and then there explosions, you know, but it's ominous because it's not here yet, but it's going to be here. It started. It's happening. But this is the moment, we're Khyber and says it doesn't say here anymore, they've reached the gates and she's like, no it's safe, and it's like okay. She is now in denial. And again, I kind of believe it because I think this happens I just I this is you've, you've can't believe it. She had no doubt that she would be fine. And that's whole lifetime of living in that castle. And believing that the red keep can't be breached is exactly what we're downfall. Sheer. Beieve. Sure survive this far. So another moment that I thought is really good here is that we see a shot of the of the city as Darris flying around on the dragon destroying things, and there are bursts of green explosions, too. So Khyber n- has had wildfire which we know from the battle of the blackwater and all of that. And for also when they blew up the septa Baylor, he's got stashes all over the city and they're all blowing up to, which I thought was a good touch that, of course there's wildfire. We've seen it before, and Khyber and is still got it around. And now that's all being detonated in the flames of this, that adds to the damage of the city is the green explosions from the wildfire. That's being knighted when I thought there was going to be some sort of strategy twist to the episode. I thought that the twist would be Tyrian knows where all the wildfire is engineers is going to go pre-fire on it, and destroy the entire city, almost like your nuclear bomb, and I feel like the like the fact that it was there made sense. And I feel that was. One of those moments where if it wasn't there, the fans will be like, where's the wildfire and the wildfires off with ghost doing who knows what like in the in the annals of the characters that people love to remember, but the show is for truth are out there. They're like they're still wildfire hidden under the ruins kings lemming. If somebody could get that, like, Nope. Blew it all up people. They blew it all up. Exactly. So are you and the hound? Make it to the map room. Everybody's favorite big map of west rose. That's got crap coming down on it from above now. And we get the big farewell scene between aria and hound where she's going to come and they're going to kill seriously together. And he says, go home girl I've wanted revenge. All my life. Look at me. You wanna be like me you came with. If you come with me, you're going to die here and he takes her kind of puts his hand behind her head and it's very much the most expression of love that he will ever be able to express for anyone. And she calls him by his name, and says, Sandra. Thank you. And then she. Leaves. So this is the the hound saying, don't follow on my path anymore. You deserve to live. You have other things to do. But the it's a that is one of these moments that I think is, is earned his crate about having seen that relationship over the course of many years. Exactly exactly that was a nice moment, but. Also, Sander, calling him that real great. I also have theory that. That REO was the person who was Jamie as like faceless person on so that have worked out nicely for this moment as well. But that, that wound up not happening. No. Yeah. I think I think they're still another episode brand. We'll get there. So a tower is collapsing as descending the stairs, with Searcy the mountain kind of like protects her. And lets the rebel hit him very skyer in the, there's a very funny moment where, where after he like lifts the rebel up and seeing Khyber and the mountain are still there. It's like, well, I guess we're outside now. Tower's gone, and they're just like it's open to the air and they're these stairs. And, and this is the moment where we get the, the sand or the hound confronts. Khyber n-, the mountain and, and Searcy. Hello, big brother and all of that. And it's one of those things where mountain is going to go kill at brother. That is what he is here on this planet to do. And seriously like no, no, stay with me, and like you VO bay, you must obey and the mountain just like grabs Kuyper and throws him and kills him which I thought was good. Because every Frankenstein monster needs to kill its creator. Right. Right. Exactly. It works out nicely fitting. Yeah. Exac guy later Hyperion. We get a face reveal of the mountain. Yes. And yes, the helmet comes off the Darth Vader reveal happens very -tory. So Darth Vader, I loved it, and that happens a series like, well, I'm out of here, and she leaves. I kinda liked which is like, yeah, yeah, he's not interested in her. He's interested in killing his brother and, and we get some more intercut in here because then we get we get the brother. So we'll take that the brothers fight, and they fight, and they fight, then they smash their swords and it's and it's just things falling all around them, and there's fire, and there's dragon slaying by, and it's very spectacular, and then the end the hound runs them through with sword. But of course, the mountain is not alive anymore. So that doesn't kill him. And he pulls the sword out. And he tries to strangle him. And they try to try to squish the hounds is in the hound gets a short sword or a knife, and puts it through his head and that doesn't kill him because, of course, he can't be killed really because he's been raised by Khyber n-. And that's the moment where the hound finally decides to end it by running at him and pushing him over through the crumbling wall. And there's a moment where, where I it was groundhog. I basically said to let Lauren I'm not sure that a fall from that height is gonna kill the mountain, and then they go through like a giant fireball. And I'm like, okay, maybe not now maybe, maybe he's gone now maybe he's not dead. Yeah. I loved his laughter, as he realizes this is not going to be something. He gets a leave alive. So he's like, oh you brother just gotta. Go for it. That was such a fitting end for him. And it was one of those, especially with seen about revenge and how it's consumed him. Of course, it makes sense how he died. I loved it. I would have I would have liked for him to have a more of a sacrifice where he runs into the flames or something like that, in order to save somebody and do something good, and be redeemed. But you know what? He wasn't going to be redeemed, you know, he is redemption. This redemption was saving are you? That was his redemption. One hundred percent. Meanwhile, Searcy ends up down in, in map land, where her brother is. And they have their moment of a reunion. And, and he needs to take her out of here, so they go down to the where the dragon skulls are because he's going to take her and they're going to do Tyrians planet are gonna go to the boat. And guess what the rocks have fallen and blocked the escape route. And it's in this moment they well, yeah, they block the little bit of lights at the very top that I believe they climbed out of continue recap, I have things right. Well anyway, so, so I think it's pretty clear that Jamie knows that they can't get out of this. And so he spends that last moment with Searcy and has her look in his eyes and say it's just us. Look at me, nothing else matters only us. That, that has been said before as the, the arches that are, protecting this under part of the crypt collapse. One by one until the one, right? Above them collapses, at which point, I'm gonna say it. They are crushed to death. They are to death. I feel like this is one of the most controversial moments of this show. If Twitter's anything to go by right now. First of all, I loved watching, sir see panic this much, because, of course, after all this time, she deserves, it's very similar to Joffrey death where like thank God, finally why the Lange, there's got what they deserved. And again, I feel really sick for being happy about watching someone panic about dying, but after again, eight seasons of being a horrible person it was nice to see that little moment to, I don't think she deserved to CG me again before she died. But I think Jamie deserve to see certainty before he died. And there's a distinction. The other thing is that people are. Really freaking out and thinking that, oh my God. I can't believe the show, let them just crust to be crusted f instead of having a big epic moment together. And again, I saw a little sliver of light at the top of the pillars of thing. I truly believe. This Brian Little based conspiracy corner. There's a lot of over in the corner, Brian, but there might be glimmer of light. God, this is the hill. I will die on vis-a-vis this. I is a rebel. I believe that Jamie intentionally kept, sir. See down in the crypts and therefore, Jamie? Did kill sir. C Bing Biden, by the being, I rest Mike. All right. All right. Certainly gives up that when I, I will tell you I. Wish maybe this is like the hound. Maybe this is just how it had to be. I was hoping that Jamie would have a better death. I was hoping that he would. I don't think it's consistent with his character to kill Searcy. But I, I was hoping that, like you said like that he would have a moment where he realized that he could prolong this, but instead he chooses to basically, like sit there with her and have them both die rather than them escape. But I don't think you're, you're sliver of light above the rubble is going to do it for me like if, if he had made a choice of, like, you know. It's this door is right here. It's blocked with rubble. I guess we can't get out, then that might be different. But, but that's true. I fully admit I could be Dan Moore and watching Phantom Menace, ten times in theaters. But I loved this episode and I love this moment particular where I was able to read into Jamie's character as someone who wanted to kill certainly I think I think the truth of Jamie is that he's always been this complex character. He is he has this love for his sister. But also we've seen his capacity for good. And then when he leaves Brion last week, it's him saying you've only seen my capacity for good. You don't know all the terrible things I've done. And then some ways that is him, you know, is he running back to his sister and his old life. Or is he going to make an end of it or in this moment? Even I think that that's the question is. Is are they running away together? Really? He knows he's going to die. He's got his wounds are probably mortal and. He doesn't he doesn't in the end have the chance to save her. But he does die with her. I don't know. It's a it's fitting in that way. I want Jamie to be better, but that was the point last week. He's not he's a man that he's tragic because he was capable of great good. And because of his twisted relationship with his sister. He did more bad than good so much so that he very intentionally left winter fell with a very happy relationship in order to be with, sir. She again moment deaths. Yes, he, he knew he had to go back there to see even after all of that, even after being with Brin and somebody who sees the good in him. And I think there's some self loathing involved in that, that this relationship he has with this sister. Suffice it to say is not healthy. We've known that for a while, but it is, basically his destruction. It's what has led him as he said for. Seriously? Like it has led him to do all of this, great evil. Exactly. And just between you and me listening. Right. Just between you and me. I completely misread last week's episode where, where Jamie leaves winter fell in order to go to king's landing, I thought for sure that he was fighting for the north against king's landing instead of trying to infiltrate king's landing to be with, with sir c and when generic armies captured him, I thought for sure Tyrians role would be okay. Let's clear this up. You're not here to help the Lancasters. You're here to help us, right? But that didn't happen, and I was so confused for a second until we just had this conversation. So I completely misread what was going on in the show. It's family. That's okay. Brian, I didn't I didn't get that the reason that variant interior knew about John was because of Santa, I thought there were two passive information there, but there weren't, there was only one, but I only watched at the one time, I missed that part apparently. It's really hard to watch the episode twice before record. It's not, not what we're trying to do here on two TV's next to each other and try to take it into ice. It doesn't work, so once so the what we're left with now is are you so aria is was at the heart of the red, keep when the hound told her to get out, so she's got a long way to go. She's running through the streets at this point, and I'll get to it in a bit. But this is the point where I wrote down. I see where this is going. So she runs to the streets. She while the clip gains are fighting and all of that, she gets knocked down. She gets back up. She gets a tower basically almost falls on her. She gets back up again. There are people who have hidden from the destruction in the streets in a room. And she says, if you stay here you're gonna die. We gotta go. But then they run out on the street, and they're like a bunch of, to thrash, going by, and they're just killing people and dragging going by, and it is sending people on fire, and she's trying to save this mom, and the little girl. And then the mom fall gets chopped by doth Raqi and they're trying to get her up. And then the girl runs back to be with her mom, just as the dragon comes by and presumably burns, her alive. And and Arias just on the other side of the wall. We come back to her. And there's those last scenes and Tyrian is in, I think, shot of the stupidest. It's quiet all of a sudden, and there's just sort of ashfall ING, and there's this, all this destruction in the city. And this is C some shots of crispy body to create. I was bunch of that. That was pretty sure that was the mother in dollar that we saw end that. If that location. Yeah. This is this is why I wrote down. This is the use this is what the show is trying to say this is the use of a weapon of mass destruction on a city full of civilians. That's what just happened and Arya, even after all of this is still alive. Everyone else around her is dead. But she survived everyone except a horse horse there. Take my whole the old town road. I'm gonna rat and its lack can't know found this horse. I think we need it. If we find the lady lady lady. So she gets the Horace that she walks to the Horace and gets the brattle, and she's like, in a ride the horse out of town. I almost thought that that was like a vision of death or something that she has died and gone onto horse, heaven or something that makes no sense. So this is going to bring all my notes together here. Aria is the witness to deniro crimes. Sara sees I mentioned, how Vera's final act is to poison deniro's even in death. He has seated her fate by revealing John's parentage Syr sees alternate victory is also that she has poisoned. Deniro's seriously couldn't win. But seriously could make that deniro had to become a monster. In order to take the throne or should I say the pool of melted iron that, oh, was the interesting? No shots of the iron throne having rebel fall on it, but maybe they can fish it out. Or maybe not no point in. Who's gonna sit on the iron throne if the entire building the iron throne sits in is completely destroyed by dragon, by the way. But, but in the end, and this is what I was getting at. When I said, this is where I see I see where this is going is very early on. When aria is our viewpoint character in the streets, and then the any how it was made thing that they put on HBO right afterward. The producers are like, well, we need are you down there, because you really need to see one of our characters you care about running around in the midst of all this chaos, and you can really see the horror of it, and I'm like, that's true. But you guys are liars. Arias witnessing narrow crimes are gonna kill the nearest. Oh, yep. Yep. I was watching it with, with some friends of mine, and they one of the first things they said, was like. Yeah. Or is this kind of moot now? But now there's one really big target and that, that makes sorry sorry and Santa or already aligned there for John. They're not for deniro's. Are you has just witnessed in person up close the complete destruction of king's landing, and all of the innocent people in it by deniro's long after the battle was over, and especially with your, your comments about how this is the equivalent of weapons of mass destruction compared to all the very fine moments where fine is not the right word the very precise moments of generis summoning, the dragon and the fire breath on specific people like virus earlier in the episode where it's a very quick fast death. But when it's a weapon of mass destruction. It's leaving people in misery complete birds painting horrible, too. Right. So. So I feel like if I had to make a prediction next week, dial it back for a second. When I said, the producers made some decisions that I think are really interesting, I you leaving aside, I think valid arguments about like is this the deniro's we've been following all along or not? And, and, and did they get the mixture right there? And what are they really saying about these women who are leaders in the, you know, is the man, the better leader than the woman, and is that really what they're trying to say here, I'm gonna leave that aside? And just say that the way that this was was put together is interesting in the way that it is not structured as, as I expected, or I think, anybody expected that in the next to last episode. Penultimate episodes of season series are always big, the wire taught me that a lot, I love when series had their climax in the next to last episode. And then the last episode is the fallout. That's not quite what happened here. But it's close that we get the victory in the war against seriously Lancaster. Now, they got to pick up the pieces next time what I didn't expect is that this was going to be the episode where deniro's dropped a nuclear bomb. And that the next episode was going to be the question of. What price does she pay for doing that? And when I look at aria on the ground, I have a hard time I can't decide how it's going to go next week. But I if I had to make up prediction, which, I don't have to, but I'm going to right now 'cause I've gotten this far I'm going to say that deniro's is going to be able to use what she did to start to set up her cruel rule as the Queen, and our is going to put it into her. That's my prediction. I, I was thinking about this, too, where what the show did in its Ponente episode is reduced the conflict down to the next week. It's gonna be a showdown between denarius Tyrian and John Starks like John Marxist a team, and that's it. And I think it's a really smart move in the pacing, even though yet there's definitely issues this season with pacing. I feel like one of the smarter things they did was set the stage perfectly for a massive thing happening this episode. And then the fallout of next week with just a very few specific set of characters because all the rest of them are dead. I guess, but, like, the, the showdown between generis Tyrian and John is what the last episode is going to be about with one episode left. I think that's a good episode sized thing. When I first ended this episode, I thought, how are they going to come to a SAS fine resolution in one hour and thirty minutes? But this thinking about in the context of just three people in the wake. Of the worst thing that's ever happened to king's landing hashing it out. It's going to be very talky. It's going to be very angry and very personal. It's not gonna be a dragon, breathing fire over millions of people. It's going to be three people. Maybe one or two stabs. Well, I think also it's possible that what we're going to see is a bit of real politic where we're going to see Tyrian is the hand of the Queen. He's appalled by what she did he, but he said he would stick by her trying to figure out a way to navigate this, so that they can they can, you know, serve the realm and have everything kind of fall into place, how he does without is unclear to me. But I think that you'll find that difficult wouldn't surprise me if what John told his essentially go back to the north. You can be the, you know, I'll make you the warden of the north, I'll make you the, the Lord of winter fell, but I don't want you here. I want you. The distance. But again, then there's also our favorite faceless man who is going to be wearing a mask and stabby stabby is my guess, so. And that would be a fitting a fitting into the show in a way is if the finally everything is settled. And there's a ruler in that ruler is assassinated. And so the game begins again. Yeah, this I feel like this show, especially with the parallels between the mad king engineers again. They're in the same family. I feel like it's that this whole thing is cyclical. And if they made a game of thrones to it would be a new band of uprising people trying to take down heiress and it like I saw a tweet a, a little bit after the show, ended it would be kinda bad Asif game of thrones ultimate message was like government sucks and ruler suck. Also like it. I think I think monarchs absolute monarchs are terrible is ultimately, the message of game of thrones the books and. And the TV show is that nobody is really fits rule, if they get rid of generis, John is made the king, and he was a noble, king, and everybody loved him. Hurry, John, I will be disappointed deeply because that is not what the show is about this show is about how the people in charge and wielding power, get everybody around them killed, and don't care and the people suffer and deniro's has made her name on this show is somebody who cares about the people. But now she's killed a lot of people. So what, what does that what does that get us and I want to say, again, I think there's a strong argument to be made that it's hard to draw connection between the nearest we've seen before, and this, like turning her into a monster and a couple of episodes because her potential claim to the throne has been questioned. I think there's a lot of discussion to be had about about that. I will say taking this episode on its face in terms of thinking about what happens next that this episode makes her. The villain of the piece. Now that's interesting because we've been rooting for her all along, and on top of that, she really, you know, like I said, earlier, her turn also kind of sudden, like this is the problem and they played it up with, like, well, you know, you flip a coin with a Turk area and you never know what you're going get. But like, you know, I know she's made bad decisions over time. But her goal has been to rule west rose, but also to do it for the good of people and to change the world. And in the end the only way, she felt she could rule was by killing all the little people. So I don't know where she goes from here, you know, next week, we'll see. But this episode makes it clear that, that if she if she rules now it's not a victory, put it that way. Xactly. I feel like the generous has turned in the season was foreshadowed relatively. Well, I feel like they did a good enough job to establish her faith in the tar, Gary in line. And the way she's acted with her very, very powerful dragons in previous seasons. I feel like there's enough of a line to be drawn to this particular episode when she destroys landing, but I also think that, that is not the piece of media. We need right now in the writers should have done a better job with it. I think I think last season's destruction of like I said of the the tar lease. Yes, was foreshadowing. Right. That's the denarius. You shouldn't be burning people alive thing. Right like that. Your family has a bad reputation of burning people alive. And guess what you just burn people alive for political reasons. You burn political opponents alive. I. Yeah. I think I think you're right. I think there are or you may well be right. Let's say that, if you trace it back because we've been also watching this in real time of broadcasting, and like, maybe maybe narrow a story. Arc is a little bit clearer and you watch it all in a bunch. I is over the course of nine years. But I think you're right. Also, that it even if that's the story, they want to tell it makes me unease -i that for the last three episodes, what we've been told is that the powerful woman who has been working her entire life to be qualified to run this, this kingdom is to emotional, and to unstable. And this random dude who is has been living in the north last few years and was so great. His first leadership job that they'll stabbed him to death. He's great. Right. That's the problem. I like John. I am not one of these people who thinks Jon snow is boring and interesting. I actually like, John snow a lot. I think he's a great character. And I think that, that kit Harrington does a good job and I like like Johnston. I'm not a Johnston hater. But I am troubled by the fact that here at the end in the show that has had lots of women problems in terms of how they treated their women characters in the fact that it's almost entirely men who right indirect the show with a couple of exceptions very early in the show's run that here at the end with a basically said is this unqualified man is much better ruler than this incredibly qualified woman? And like, okay, maybe that's a story that George Martin told you to tell. Maybe it's a story that you thought was a good idea few years ago, but as a theme, even if you set it up, it's like is this story, I wanna watch is this, what you're going to tell me in the end and I like John snow. But like this is where you're going with this is don't you think she looks tired, you know, come on. Come on. Yeah, I. Hereby, rescind, my praise of Benny often Weiss as someone who's trying to take, what George are Martin wrote, and twisted into, especially with Santa a good survivor story, and how she has turned into a wonderful character here by rescind all of that praise. I have one more small prediction next week. The game of thrones intro will have a Burnden crispy Kingsland, or, or there will be no intro. Oh, interesting. I did like the next time trailer which was basically destruction too narrow. The end did not watch it. But of course, they would literally literally on the final episode of game of thrones scene of destruction of king's landing image of deniro, serving the destruction fade out. And I was like that, is what you should do for the finale, nothing more. What will happen will happen watch and find out and we'll watch and find out next week day late, but we'll be here a daylight, so you're gonna to do sorry about that folks. It can't be helped my niece is graduating from high school, and I have to fly across the country, and then I have to fly back, and it's a things, but we will be back on Monday the twentieth to say goodbye to game of thrones. Maybe not to the game with Rin slash cast. Maybe do a reworked sometime down the road. We did maybe but next week, the last one anything else before we go. Brian. I really really, really wish the finale was shown in movie theaters. I would -absolutely pay ten dollars to watch the finale in a movie theater a bunch of people. And I'm sad. I it seems like they're not unless they pull some like magical incredible feat of logistics together, but I'd really doubt it's going to happen. So here's hoping. Oh, well, the yeah, that would be quite a show. Well, it's called Home Box Office for a reason it is it is. All right. Well, that is it for the game of thrones slash cast for this week? Thank you out there, to everybody for listening, those who have survived anyway, survived horrible, horrible trauma of king's landing who needs a capital city anyway, I guess we'll be back next week. Brian, thank you, as always. Thank you, Jason. We'll talk to you soon goodbye. Everybody.

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The #ThronesYall Recap Show - Episode 6

Black Girl Nerds

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The #ThronesYall Recap Show - Episode 6

"You are listening to the black girl nerds podcast. The following contains spoilers for the series. Finale episode of game of thrones. Welcome to this edition of the thrones. Y'all podcast. This is episode six. And this is our final episode of the thrones. Y'all podcasts a little bitter sweet tonight, but we are excited, and maybe not as excited, depending on who you talk to about last night's finale series finale of game of thrones. It is divided in all different kinds of ways from people that are absolutely just furious at what happened to people that are actually satisfied with the ending. And then there's people that just don't care. So we're going to break it down talk about it. My name is Jamie. I'm your host our moderator and Jelica is here to break down the details of this episode and we have back with us, Ryan and Alex, so thank you guys for coming back. Oh, you must providence again. All right. Let's get into it. All right. So first things. First, I'm just going to ask everyone their initial thoughts of this episode without getting into detail. So who wants to start? Argo. Okay. So basically, I wanna contact HBO I want my money back for the last two months. I see no reason why I paid for my subscription at all. And I'm just gonna leave it a definite we'll dig in deeper as we go on. Really nice. Hold on subscription. I hold on scripture ask I'm still in a middle though. Like last episode. I'm in the middle with this one. Also, by the way, I don't know if you has her, but there is a game you can get yourself a game of thrones counselor on if you guys heard about that. Mark dot com. So, you know, just in case, you know, Alex, I felt your you justification Iwo by how you're done. I just love the hustle that people are doing right now. Like the fact that put that out there, I was like come on series, are pre sheet the hustle. Well, I'm definitely not canceling my HBO subscription as long as insecure is on the. You know, like as long as insecure is on there. I'm good. I, I am not as furious as many fans are I will say, I am sorely disappointed. So I had some expectations and those experts were not met and because of that I was I was more disappointed than anything else. So that's what I came away with. Okay. Fair point me. I was initially disappointed. And then upon rewatch ING and just kinda contemplating and brooding Allah Jon snow style. I've come to realize -ation that this is the best outcome. We could ask for as far as a happy ending. And I'm just going to be grateful that are fan favorites are still alive and well and we'll just leave it at that. So. Some. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, I would call you something right now. But we're trying to keep it PG thirteen. So let's get into that. Skin turn on here. So, yeah, my emiss- over our our of this episode is who will sit on the iron throne. And my answer is no one like in at least keys voice. No one is on the iron throne. The person that was elected essentially to be king of the now. Six kingdoms has been sitting all along. So. Just face somebody on Twitter. It's so wrong to even repeat this. But somebody on Twitter sled man, I can't stand him. And then somebody replied will he can't stand. One of the lives in one of my live tweets, it was, like, when I was declared him king. And then people were just. Oh, that comment. Section was rough. I had to stay out of it. Yeah. Like one of the not my king was trending on Twitter last night. Mysterious got real black Twitter ill. Get ya. Let's get into it. So so we start off. We open up with Tyrian serving the destruction of king's landing, I'm so he's walking the streets. John is following behind him. They all look, absolutely horrify like it's, it's complete like it's an apocalyptic like hell of a really describe. It is very reminiscent of the bombings of hero. Shema Nagasaki like all those pictures you saw in the textbooks. You see these people want ring with these terrible burns across their body, bodies littering. The streets is just it's not a good. Look for Danny at all. So they eventually go separate ways Tyrian. I didn't I didn't really think of this at first, but Tyrians actually looking for a siblings, see if they got out so he goes alone. And then John also goes off wherever he's going. So we actually see John ends up. It looks like he's looking for damning, but he ends up coming across gray room, executing Lancaster soldiers that were loyal to survey. I'm sorry. John actually, walks into a runs into grey worm, who is executing Lancaster soldiers that were loyal to survey per Danny's orders. And so, John, like, pulls up. It was like, hey, like the war is you don't need to do this. And I just love gray warms face, like he was giving me Turner, light, excuse me. You tell me to do what? This is my study, I run stuff around here. So it looks like they're all about the standoff against each other, sir. Davos kind of tells them the chill out calm down. These men are already surrendered their literally on their knees. Widening to be killed let's show them some earthy, but the nannies are Janis Canaries new world. There's no quarter. There's no mercy for anyone that serves Thursday. So they are executed despite John's wishes this is one of those things where I think they take the terminal term, our writer DAI a little too ARD. He really did not have to go through all of that understand. He was hurt about Sunday's death and everything else. But this right here, whole 'nother level, like he lost it personally at this point in time grey worm in, Danny. I like eight. I get. I don't know. I kinda understand why gray warm is this way, first of all, he's a member of the unsullied in. That's what they do. They serve their Queen till the death and as far as, like grain worm is concerned because he's a little bit more of a nuanced character. Right from the unsullied like, we don't know anything about these guys unless only through grey worm, we know who who what kind of character that they have. And I think green worm just didn't really have anything to lose at this point. He's lost everything. And you know, I can understand why he wants to go down this path. And, and there's, there's no feeling of any sort of remorse or anything like he's every his all is gone basically, so I can understand why he's that way. And I'm not mad at him for that from. Yeah. Agreed. He's, he's following orders. That's what they do. And he basically just literally goes back to be an unsullied by just kills. So I'm not mad at it at hall. So we end up going to an I just want to mention this. So there's a lot of parallels between Danny's sacking of king's landing verses a Taiwan second of king's landing at Robert's rebellion. The big difference here is that Robert was actually gave mercy to a are not air. Eight Aries Aries census follower. Barest and sell me, who was a Lord commander of the king guard, he actually fought for the wrong side, but because he was such an honorable such a great soldier. Robber decided to forgive him and actually took an into his service. Danny's, not going with that approach. She's annihilating anyone that had any to thing to do with survey. She's basically killing everybody in starting over a century in king's landing. So just thought I'd point that out there, his she is basically as much as she hated Robert humanit been the best king, but he was to a degree very merciful or at least smart about it appearing merciful. So we actually go to Tyrian. He's back underneath the red. Keep he notices now he's tall enough to get through all that. Rubble on like his siblings. So he gets to the rubble to the other side of where Jamie, and sir. Stay were trapped he spots Jamie's golden hands. You see obviously visibly upset he starts actually taking the bricks off to see their bodies and the first face. We see you surveys, and that's when he actually starts to cry. And I'm not sure if it's because he knows that Jamie was with her or if because he really does. He's really grieving for a sister. I mean seriously was Nevil person, but I do think deep down, Jamie, still loved her starts taking off more bricks. We see Jamie, and sir stay together, and it, it kind of reminds me of, of twins in the womb of twins in utero. They were kind of in that same position, except in this in, you know, so Tyrian obviously is very very close as. Further he weeps for him. He starts bashing the bricks around he clearly, if he didn't have an issue with Danny. He has it now. That scene was actually really deep for me. I did appreciate how they carry that scene out. So, you know that bestowed before, you know, when they're down there in the brick, softball type of may dials like that's really how they went out, I expected a lot more. But when he followed up this episode like I said, definitely appreciate it. Metronet about I'm sorry, Ryan. Now that you mention it about sir c Chamie bag twins and they're womb, Arner mother's womb. That's interesting. That's pretty poetic. That, that's how they died. They died as they were born into the world. So I didn't even really get that picture in my head until now. And it makes me kind of appreciate that a little bit more. 'cause I'm, I'm still a little bit salty about sir. Not not getting a proper homicide. Yeah, that's good. Good looking out on that say. Yeah, it was deep. What, what were you saying? Ryan. Yeah. I was just going to echo what you guys are saying that, because that kind of made me care more about sourcing Jamie just to kind of see him break down, and it kinda gives you a new angle. 'cause you're kinda like okay their stories rap. We're moving on, especially, so see, like Jane was saying about, like different homicide kind of thing about her. But it just something in that moment makes you a little bit differently when you just see him like overtop crying, like his, his brother and sister, gone. Yeah. Yeah. Humanize them a little bit more. And now everyone could shut up about them being alive. It was clear as day he nobody surviving that. So that leads us to Danny, and I must say, Debbie had Ed amazing entrance like, I'll just like, yes. Choline. I loved it when joke on like dropped her off, essentially, as she walked for them. He he takes off, and he spreads his wings. She was like being framed, like a dark angel. So I was loving this photography there. That was a beautiful shot so props to that team, but her grand entrance, even though it started off looking really nice it kinda was giving me like Nazi like very. In like very turn. Danny up on this one. I was like, come on, now, you're like I almost hear like the Sieff, Lord music done. Dumb dumb. It was it was bad. They're really playing that imagery, like she even had her banner hanging on the side of the like the broken building. So it was very much like world. Domination, she didn't help at all with her speech. She basically quoted drogue on over again. She said thank you know, she told the Dauth rocky you killed the men in the iron suits. And you brought down there stone houses, then she tells the they will liberate the world from tyrants, at don't think she was talking about ourselves. And she makes she makes grey worm the master of war. So it's not a speech of peace and prosperity. It's literally, we are going to rule the world from darn two cars from the north to the south like she sounded very fascist e. It was it was not a I mean it almost seemed like she could've just made into a victory speech, but she basically said like we're not done and to displeasure of John watching of our you're watching of Tyrian watching it just was very heavy handed, so Tyrian kind of sneaks up on, Danny. He confronts her Danny confronts him for free and Jamie, and committing treason and Tyrians, like, okay. And, and you basically killed an entire city. Innocent children with that. He kinda takes off his badge, the badge of the hand of the Queen, and he throws it, and then he's like, all right. Whatever take them away. So he's arrested for treason, and they walk away. You even see, like the second. He did that Danny had that little evil or math twitching her lip the second cheer, it hit the ground. That was. You can see the hate in her eyes after that. Yes. Danny don't play. So you see John kind of looking at her. She looks at John. They're clearly not in a good place. She walks away, on with the rest of her guard and Tyrian. And then once again, our sneaks up on somebody like you see, like the it's like, Frayne where you just see John's facing the camera pulls back. You see Arias standing there, and she was not anywhere near them. Don't even know how she did that. But who's John just like, hey, why are you here? And she explains, like she was going to kill her say, but Danny beater to it and she basically reinforces what everyone's been telling John, she tells them that he is the rightful heir to the throne, and that he will always be threat to Danny, and she knows a killer when she sees one. So, John is kind of left to contemplate what to do about Danny. Any thoughts that that's, that's when things got real? When our it said that statement, I was just like okay, she's Danny's not going to be around longer. You know, it's either an obviously, the for shadowing was very heavy in John's direction. But I was thinking that maybe aria would be the one to take her out after that statement. But yeah, it things got really real when she said that. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I don't like any of this. I was like, yeah. 'cause she it was basically like our set up like everybody against her pretty much and you just got, like pretty much got John doing his usual, John thing, where he's like teetering bone sides. But everybody else she pretty much knew I was like that. This is not good because it was just out to me, it was even though she actually did with the with the fire. Enter the it made to me kind of felt like a set up a little bit where it was like we need to make sure everything points to hey, she's in his dictator this dictatorship right now. She's about to kill him. Or is saying to me? Yeah. Yeah, the ministry them injury. There was it was so heavy handed, you know what they were trying to get to. And I'm of like why was speaking on last week where I was like Hannah still team, Danny, I thought, maybe after this that she kinda calmed down a little bit. She just kind of poured it on. Enjoy the last week, you broke it down her history of how he how it was justified. Why she was the way she was. So why would she change all of this overnight? So, yeah. I mean, she knows around fate, the moment that, that whole destruction of king's landing happened. The black girl nerds podcast will be back in just a moment sent Berg. Have you ever had someone come up to you and say you smell amazing? What perfumer you wearing whatever? Saint you may be wearing. You have good taste, and you know what you like you wanna smell like royalty, right. We're talking about kings and queens on this podcast and you want to smell expensive. Well with centered. 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Free to try your first perfume, or Cologne for only seven dollars and fifty cents sign on and smell amazing. That was just the beginning. I just wasn't expected her to go pinkie on the brain on like I just. I thought you know, she'll be happy with their thrown and west is free. And she would kind of rule, and John would be her man, and they would just kind of I was hoping live happily ever after. But I mean Danny's ATar Garin through and through fire and blood all the way. So, yeah. Yeah. I was I mean I mean I, I still stay I still understand Dami, but I can also see the other side where it's like, oh, she's not going to be a just ruler. So she's gonna roll with an iron fist. So that actually kind of segues over to John and Tyrian having a conversation. Tyrians locked up in tearing the interior in when John walks in, he goes, did you bring wine? Gee alcoholic. So teary-eyed knows his fate is sealed. And he kind of kind of basically says that various was right. He says, you know, when, when Danny executes me varies ashes are going to tell my ashes, I told you so. And then he asked John John is actually only person that he knows. That's died and come back from the dead. So he's just like so what's on the other side for me? And John tells them nothing so Tyrian kind of he's saying oblivion is the best he can hope for. And he recounts all his sins. He he betrayed varies his closest friend. He strangled. He killed his father, and he betrayed this Queen, but he would do it all, again, knowing what he knows now he basically tells tells John that he was wrong. He picked the wrong side, and that I guess it was vanity or it was foolish from the think that he could council Danny. So at this point, Tyrian goes a plan b he tries to convince John to do the right thing, and John kind of it's almost like they were expecting the audience's reaction with Danny's actions from last week because they basically break down everything we talked about last week. So John tries to justify what she did to a degree. He's like, I don't I can't justify but she lost everybody her best friend was murdered. She lost Giora. She's been through so much. I can she has all this power. She has his drac, and I can see how she snapped and then Tyrians like, yeah. And she's I mean she's been she didn't just snap. She's been ruthless all along. But we were cheering for her. So it's almost like telling us audience will work culpable of what Danny has done because apt to this point, everyone that she's murdered has been an evil person or perceived to be an evil man. And now she's finally murdered innocence for the greater good at least in her head. But it still wrong. So Tyrian tries to convince him to take her out, and they have a conversation about love. He tells you like I know you love her, but love is more powerful than reason. Look at my brother. Look what he did. So John quotes, his great, uncle Mr. Ayman. He says love is death of duty Tyrian says sometimes duty as death of love which foreshadows the very next scene. So Danny's in the throne room. She approaches the throne. It's basically the same imagery as her vision from the house of the on dying season to the roof has gone from the throne room there snow, and I'm going to say ash mixed everywhere. She actually at this point approaches to thrown. She touches it, unlike her vision, and she turns around, she's just about to sit down on throne, and then she spots, John, so she doesn't sit down. She goes to him, and she looks happy. It's all good in her head like she's like, hey, like we did it. We made it. Let's, let's get pass all this. Let's be a power couple. Beyond say you Jay z. She like plight up to him. And I think up until this point. John didn't know what he wanted to do. So he's talking scenarios, he's trying to reason with their I think he's trying to find her humanity. Trying to see if they're still The Danny that he loves in there somewhere. So he talks to her, and he asked her to forgive teary ends like forgive the Lancasters and all the enemies like show mercy. And Danny's like, no, we can't show mercy in this new world. And so she says, like what she's doing good. And she wants John to be at her side to build this great new world and John's like, well, how do you know that? You're good. And she just like I just know he's like, what about the other people that think that they know what's good? And basically, the next thing she says kinda seals are fate. She says they don't get to choose. So she's back to being a dictator. And John knows what he has to do. So I mean he kisses her. He tells her she'll be his Queen, always in forever. And, you know, he means it, and they kiss you think in your mind like oh, they're making up. Everything is great. And then you hear a dagger going through somebody's body and it's not John's body. It's Danny, and she kinda looks at him. And you see, like the innocent girl that she was back in season, one ever so briefly and then she dies in his arms. Everybody probably a home is like what the. What just happened? It was a lot. John has the luck of women because egret dialing exact same way a couple of seasons ago and John's arms. So. That I don't know if makes me creepy or not. But I actually rewound it just to make sure I heard the sound of the blade going through our heart one more time Justice at their and savored. Wow. Molly cry. But, you know. I mean, I've used it because, you know, we're getting a lot more metaphors in poetic moments throughout this, period. I'm glad that they didn't have her give last words to John like just had her naturally dine his arms without saying anything that moment was a lot more significant that way than had. She said some, you know, I don't know poetic catch. I that's the way they decided it was, it was beautifully done, and it kind of goes back. But we were talking about with the prophecy of as a high, which is version of the prince that was promised the same thing happened. The same imagery is actually use if you Google Zora high and showing how he killed his wife niece nissanusa when he stabbed her through the heart with light bringer. It says axiom imagery, and John is supposedly the reincarnation of his or a high. So we kind of predicted a last episode of episodes back, that John would be the one to take Danny, Al, and I think it actually worked out better than it. Be an aria like I just don't feel like it would have been as emotional, in as meaningful. If a stranger killed her, I think it would have been better. You know, the person that loved her the most in the entire world. So. I on agree with though, I mean me personally, I want her to live, but me too. Once I did it, but I was like, I still thinking, you know, just everything her character has been it just seems like oh, come on. You gotta stab ridge. I don't know it just seemed like I waiting for something else. I don't know. Yeah, it was really sad because she's gone through so much. He worked so hard to get to this point. And it's like if only Danny had it lost. Massanga you know, if only dead. And you had gear. Yeah. Maybe she would have been in a different place, because she would have listened to those people. Those people would have been in her corner. But unfortunately, she kinda chose madness. I think I don't think I don't think Danny's snapped. I think she gave into her true, major so it's just really sad. Like she didn't get to sit on the throne. You know. I turned around. I was like you've gotta be kidding me. I was like, come on. And I know upon rewatching the series I'm going to start. I'm going to do that, pretty soon start watching it from the beginning, it's going to mean like it's going to just play differently in my mind as I'm watching it knowing like her alternate fate, so yeah. And then, of course, because she has such a strong connection with drogue on. One once she is killed. Drones alerted to that almost like their connection was severed. And he felt it so you goes to her. He sees John over her body. John backs up, he nudges her, what his nose like it is reminded me of Simba in the lion. King. Art. Come on. Come on. And she doesn't move, and then you think he's going to toast, John like he looks at John I flare up and I was like, oh my God. John's girth, and instead, he melts the iron Brown and a lot of people don't realize that the dragons are extremely intelligent, their magical creatures on. They met be able to speak, but they can think just as well as we can so earliest because he can his connection with Dana. Maybe he can emphathize. He's he can feel that the iron tone is what she was seeking, and that's what got her killed. So he burned that mother effort to the ground. And he takes Danny's body, and he flies away with her effort to be seen again. So poor dro- gones out here like little orphan Adamy would nobody in the world ever ever level on. And I'm sure he's fine east. That's where we last heard that he's out there flying east. So hopefully he found a nice little spot for Danny's body in. The end of that. I just I'm a little confused at wide drug on did not kill John. I mean, I didn't want John to die. But I just feel like that, that would have naturally been the response to saying his mother die, and he knew it was at the hands of John and then him breathing onto the iron throne in destroying it. I don't understand what the significance. There was either. So I was just a little confused at how that scene was Hannam at think it's because, as the said that he has a connection like areas had a connection with all the dragons, almost like telepathic connection, and dragons, are very intelligent in this world. So whether he knew for sure he absolutely cents that this thrown is what she coveted most. And if he's as smart as they're made out to be in the books, he just kinda calculated. This is why mom is dead. Teen just destroy the throne. He was just like a she can't have it. No one. Well. So that's why I think he went for the throne set a John, and I think also because he, he to a degree. He senses John's lineage, I guess, or he trusts John. I'm not sure why drug on decided just to take out the throne, the non John, but I'm happy for it. I'm glad arriving. Yeah. No, I'm not complaining. It just seem mar. Yeah. Just seemed like a bizarre way to you know, in that scene. 'cause I just preferred the Joe gone just not see it in. That's how John's survive. But the fact that were on had his chance to avenge his mugger, I and you didn't do it. I don't know that was just kind of bizarre to me. Maybe like his mommy knows a little something about mercy. I don't know. Just just kind of touching on Danny break in the wheel. She did break the wheel. She achieved old, but the price was her death. I'm an I will almost compare Danny to I wouldn't consider Danya villain. I still don't think she's a villain. I think she's a tragic figure on she had a misstep, she's more. So like Julius Caesar to me. You know, she was she was stabbed just like him. So you know, I'm still team Danny. I just wish hadn't gone that route, and as we stated before there's so many factors that led to Danny's path, this person didn't die if that person didn't die of John had only loved her, you know, maybe she would have been different towards the end on. When Amelia Kark learned that Danny died. She took a five hour walk, and she. Yeah. Like she just could not believe that Danny was going to be killed, and she actually called her mom crying. And she asked her mom if Dan is a good person that there's anything that will make her hate Danny. But ultimately Amelia Clark stands by Danny's decision. She's ATar Garin five in blood. That's what she does. And I kinda agree with that. And I as I stated I don't think Danny will ever, be a just ruler. She was just too ruthless. Us too heavy handed and without her advisers around her to real her back end. She would never she was never going to be a good ruler, but she was, however, an excellent commander, you know, she took the ir are to Diane, thrown essentially through fire and blood. So I feel like if you need someone to get the job done called any but as far as actually ruling presiding over things, what that team around she just wasn't it. So, you know, she she was shaped by those loyal advisor. If they were still in her corner. Maybe this'll be a different story. But that is not the case. Yeah. I think that was a little bit on them. Yeah. The advisors. Like, I, I like how tearing in various slowly dropped off after things started happening like you know, I didn't tell her this right until it over here and try to conquer this they were kind of backing off like, oh, this is just all her. They decided to make these plans and everything. She didn't have the dream team anymore and the end and I think as Tyrian said it was vanity to think that they could real her back in. What are your opinions on? How Tieren has been written this season because I just feel like throughout every season of this series. He's been able to outwit himself in at every turn in a situation and he was outwitted in luckily, he survived, but, you know, he could have died and I was just wondering what you guys thought about the fact that he's kinda like lost. I mean, I think it's just at the last couples honestly Tyrians been slipping. He never degree redeemed himself. You kinda fell into the background lots couple of these and I think part of some of the writing issues, but I do feel like Tyrian came around which leads us the dragon pit but. I really can't say I think sometimes you can't be on your game all the time. So my opinion Tyrian has been through a lot. And if we go back all the way from the beginning of the show and everything that he has done like like I said, he was always on point at this point in time, the switch up hem Kip, killing his father than him going against a whole Lancaster, family in seeking out. Sarah, see in becoming her hand and in trying to deal with how the world is were clearly flipped upside down. It's a total opposite sides. I think he did handle hisself well, and everything that did not go, according to plan also did show him bit of humility, and he did get departed at think on that even though he still made the wrong decision when him and Varis had the chat. I still love Terry, and I don't like say anything negative about him, but I can understand. Why is characterized finally written that way? And I think it does add a special touch to how everything ended, and he did suffice the end of the day he did survive. He did end up being the handicapped again. Everything came full circle, but in all his childhood tribulations up until now he is going to help brand usher, in this new world and make sure that everything that's happened in the past. Stays in a pass in the wheel does stay broken. Actually agree with you on this one. Yes. The actually kind of leads us to Tyrian he's a clear a couple of weeks. I've gone by John has been imprisoned for his crime. Tyrian obviously was in prison for betraying Danny on. He's brought into the dragon pit before looks like all the leader of the great houses. And they're just determine his fate in John's grey, worm is not a happy camper. He was supposed to bring John before them as well. Gremlins like this in my prisoner is our city. I'm gonna do what I want. So what are you all about the do about him like he, he was in his feelings? You know, daddy liberated him. She gave him everything he has. So it's understandable. Why he's not too happy with John. So they end up actually coming to a compromise because John committed his crime in king's landing. It's up to the new king, or Queen of king's landing to decide his fate and gray resigned himself to that decision. So they start you know saying that who's going to be it in Edward tally arrogant as ever, you would think being in the dungeons of the twins. He would, you know, humble himself a little bit. But, nope. He stands up gives his little speech talking about how he's a decorated soldier, and blah, blah, blah, blah, in sounds literally tells them to, to have a seat like have several seats on goal it down. Yeah. I was like, why is he retrial right now? You're like you're lucky even got invited to this show behind. Yep. And then side though, Robin Aaron with the glow of, like, John. She's all growed up. Low snack out EMMY street. Rolling. Young boy. Of this series guest that breast milk. Did it? Well. Suren breastfeed them. Back to the point. So Sam has a cute little moment to Sam proposes that the new leader is elected by the people, and what's the roses just not ready for all that? They laugh him off the stage. Essentially, they're just like what like who does that like going with the dogs vote, too? So they eventually come to a compromise. The new leader will be decided by the leaders of the great houses. And the person Tyrian proposes as Brian now, Platt Twiss. No one was expecting brand to be sitting on the iron throne or I guess sitting in his wheelchair in the throne room. But. And then I, I feel like brands been trolling us this whole time 'cause like when tearing asked him like, well, you wear the crown and brands like yeah. Oh, I think I came down here like what? Being. I'm just trying to say where's brand on? Become the king, not only that it was just a few episodes, where they like asked him what he wants and he's like, I want for nothing so you want, nothing few episodes, and then he's like, why am I here for my crown? Obviously, he played the game of thrones. He played his car and that all three as and I think, I think I love my tweet was them saying, like, when you don't do anything and the group project, but you still get an A. Exactly, he you. Really light to make brand. He's useless. He really isn't like brands been through a lot. He gave him a lot of useful information. He is, you know, the guy in the control room. He's not the superhero, so let's give brand a little bit of credit brand. The broken and I won that title is disrespectful. Title in that. But then I thought about it, and I'm like, well, I've are the boneless was very fearless very popular leader in Viking culture, Viking lower and he can walk either. So there you have it. He's been good company. I'm an almost compare. Brands like Gerald Ford, you know, the president before, Gerald Ford was Richard Nixon will compare sir say to him, and Gerald Ford was just like that good guy level. It quiet he was what was needed at the times, I do feel like brand was a good choice despite the fact that no one was expecting it. He's all knowing. He's all seeing. He has knowledge of all the previous kings of the of the seven kingdoms. He can see limited the future. He's he has no emotions. So he's not gonna make any rash decisions, and he made Tyrian his hand. So I mean, I feel like he's a fair choice. What do you guys think? There was a tweet that was one of my favorite tweets of the night. Someone said hold up. So brands, non communicative, riddle, speaking asks, it's going to be the cushion. I mean I don't know. I just I would have preferred Tarran to be the king quite frankly, that that's what I was gunning for. Once we got the news about what John's fate was going to be. But. Yeah, I, I don't know an Email king is that? Are we really know? And that could probably work as far as it goes. Right. It's highly unlikely that he's just going to start a war based on his rings being hurt but I just don't know. Like you need a leader that can communicate with the people that the people can sort of, you know, empathize with connect with. And he's not. He's not that didn't rock now regret. Do. That's why he named -tarian his hand. Here in is, is definitely a people person. So. Yeah. But the look on tears face, though, was priceless when he asked him to. Predicament again. But here my whole take on brain brand is like a rolling cheat code. He has access to all of the past and could see bits of the future. So as long as he can always do that. He's not going to be the face. The public face to the entire kingdom Tyrian is, so he's going to tell tearing his little riddle staf. Go roll off into the distance again ago ward something and tearing going to handle auto business. So with that being said, I do think the six kingdoms are in good hands now. I guess it's gonna be kinda like that relationship that Aries had with Thailand time when was kind of the one that was holding it down and really ruling writings. So I if you look at it from that perspective, I understand, but I'm still on my feelings about it. First of all on that damn iron thrown, but. Other like fun one good thing that came out of this sunset shouldn't even vote. She was like. Let me get that north though. Like what about the north and because her brother is Dino the new king. He grants sound says wish she is now ruler of the independent kingdom of the north. So. Upgrade one table upgraded to. She got she got a real thrown. So I was happy about it. And of course, we know John's fate was he was basically sent back to night's watch it at the time I was in my feelings. I'm like, really after all this. He gets dumb owed. It back to where like he got put back on fries. Like goes back the way for. Paying for. Either one backed the bastard. The outline. I was upset, but that was the only compromise if they gave him to the solid, it would cause war, if you let them go free, it would cause war, so the best option sentiments exile. So we'll touch on that in a bit. But let's focus on the small council and all the promotions that happen. So we have a small council dream team. We have brand as Lord commander of the king's guard. And I just love the moment where she opens that white book of the kings guard, and she writes out all of Jamie's good deeds. Like out of the second hundred do like burn book, like this is the ugliest. And he's trashing bed. She. Now. She she. Like. Issue. Everything she was just like he got captured the whispering was, but he was set free by Kotlin stark. I mean honored his, his duty to the stark sisters by reuniting them with bringing in, and, you know, he fought valiantly at river, Ryan, there was no casualties. He went to north and decided to fight for the living and he went south to save his sister and save the kingdom. He died. Protecting his Queen, so she can put them. Nice little spin on everything that Jamie dead. I guess, to a degree, he did do those things. So we'll give him that credit. And it was actually that was the only moment in the episode where I kinda like teared up a little bit L. She's like oh, still love her boo. So. She was a mad at him. So that was a great moment. And then other promotions Padre is moved up to. Surpa. L. L give it up to where. Being is now part of the king's guard along with him. Sam is grand Maistre an he had actually he wrote a book he helped write a book caught a song is in fire. That's a little not George Armar. Any actually says he is most like Sam. So that was cute little moment brand. Give it up. I mean, not brand Bron give it up for bron-. He finally got his castle, y'all. Pat. Alan Bryan out here. He's talking about. Let's build up Brock. Hustled that position, though. Respect respect. He's now Lord of high garden. Lord of the region. Master of coin Davos got upgrade to. He is no longer sir Dobelis, he Lord Davos. And he is now the Lord and master of ships and also the master of grammar notice, how he corrects Bron when he says it was, it was like eight or nobody. And he was like, no one. So he's taking a bit after stay. And then, you know grey worm he was named master of war, but grey, worm wants. No parts of west rose. He's going out to be on the beaches of NAS, just as he promised his longtime Bouma Sunday. She sat she can't join them. So, yeah. That that's basically all the promotions that I actually loved that small council seen. They're talking about building ships in there. Asking Bron for foods. Replenish, the people bronze, like, yeah, let's how about these brothels. Let's build those up, first and then brands like why thinks ships take over take presidents over brothels? It was cute. And then I think tearing gives that little joke that we've never heard the end of he brought a honeycomb in a donkey into a brothel weekly, we never know what the joke is. So they kind of close on that little chapter, and I think it was wonderfully done, but overall over arching theme here. Ending that people aren't very happy about, but this is what I take away from it. The Starks one like at the end of the day this story started with the Starks the Starks one, they're all all the remaining stocks are still alive. And while brand the broken is now first of his name king of the end on the first man, protector of the Roman king of the six kingdoms. And if you think about it, maybe George intended for brands to be king all along. He is the very first POV chapter in the very first book of a song of ice and fire. So bronze at the top. There are sorry, Bron brand. All these names, Bram, Saen says Queen and the north with upgraded picnic table are yet is now captain of her own destiny. She's off to explore the unknown world in the name of house stark. And I just love seeing that big giant sail with a stark Sigillino top of it. So she's out there doing her thing, and Jen Gandhi's in his room playing Drake. And then that leads us to John and John's banishment to the night's watch. I initially was crushed it. I was just not happy with it. I consider it a demotion. But honestly, the north is where he belongs job never wanted to rule. And now amongst the white Ling's, he's free. He doesn't have any pressure to be a leader. They accept him as he is. And so, John is literally the song of ice and fire this whole saga is about him, and he ends the story, the blood of the stocks in the blood of the tar Carrian's flow through his veins. A lot of people were upset that Johns lineage really wasn't brought to the public, quote, unquote, while he was considered a contender for the throne, despite the fact that he was the rightful heir. And they're like, well, what was the point of even telling us about John's lineage, and I feel like John fulfilled his destiny because of his blood, the stark tar, Gary blood? He is the show that. The rela minute he fulfilled his destiny. I really do think he was the reincarnation of or a high in the prints that was promised his father predictive that his third child will be the prints that was promised. And he was to save the world. And John did that twice over he helped along by helping defeat. Dea army the dead in Otamendi. He killed Danny in order to save the world. So no, he didn't have this big grandiose ending that one would expect but it's game with Roan. This is the best that you'll get. And so he was sent to the night's watch, and what is a nice watch any more. There's a there's no Wild Wings to fight against because they're all peaceful with each other. There's a peace amongst the free folk, there's no white walkers, all been eliminated. So Tyrian says it'll be a place for bastards and broken things. But in the last shot of the episode, we see initially when he gets to castle black. We finally we see torn on waiting for him. And he gets his moment. With goes finals. People can shut up about that. He petted goes they go beyond the wall. And you see initially when he's there, there's a bunch of brothers and black. But when he leaves he looks back, one last time, it seems like he's saying goodbye to the law, and he's the only person in black among all these wild Ling's. So I'm not sure of his exile was really meant from to go tonight's wash. I think it was a way to get him out of out of gray worms mine. The sullies mind. Let him go free up north. So in my mind end of the story, John was like the king beyond the wall, and we end where we begin. The first thing I was at the wall beyond the wall. And we end the same way, there'd be on the wall. So that is the end of game of thrones. I really loved torments expression on his face. When he I Don like, what are you doing here bre, but I don't know. I, I think the only hopeful thing for me even though that was beautiful. The way you described it, by the way that was great that end. But I think the hopeful thing for me with this ending is knowing that maybe there is a small sliver of hope that torment and Brian will be. Oh, may go get the girl now. Burster. I hate to oh. I your bubble Danny. I mean, Danny Jamie daddy's on my mind, I'm gonna pressure about the king's guard can't take wives husbands or have children's. Yeah. That's right. So, you know, Tormenta I had to find a tall lady up north he'd like shying. They're out there. Yeah. Another point. John is the great nephew of Amman targe area, who was also the rightful heir to the iron throne, and he gave up his throne for his brother to rule he decided to serve, that's the same thing that John did. So he's very much like his family. I'm just trying to be as positive as possible, because it's ten years of my life. Eight seasons invested in these characters in Amine said the Starks and the being on top almost everyone of them is a ruler of something John says a ruler of the north brand rules, the six kingdoms, you know, I feel like are going to be, you know, Queen the sea and John's king beyond the walls, like what more can you ask for? John's ending. It's a very noble one. I am. I am very happy now at to say when I first watched episode, you know, I was on Twitter, black Twitter, Facebook, everything and also Texan Djelic as Keough. I am heated right now. This is horrible. But at this broke it down, like she did this entire podcast. I was like, okay, now I get it. Now understand certain aspects and so forth. Now with all that being said the thing that I'm most excited about is aria now. They make a spin off show with aria going on her adventures. They're not renew my HBO subscription. And I always all of life and everything on that. But our is my favorite character. I am happy how, you know, hers ended and like she said, you know, the stocks ended up at on top. So given game of thrones and how in the past they ruined everything for, you know, always like tugged on the wrong emotions. They did finally ended on a positive note, which is great. Daime Ryan, your thoughts. Yeah. I think I think Saizen aria to me where the two characters where I could see from beginning to end with both their care because I could see where they kind of ended up. Everybody else was a true like you have to be on the game of thrones ride to figure out where they're going with the see what theories we're going to go with. But yeah, I think you have to look at the positive side of it. You just gotta kinda summer Shiseido or whatever they're going to give you because it has been like a really cool. Joining the last, I'm gonna miss, Danny. I still think I would like to see her pizza. Yeah. But, you know, I think they, you know, I have to get the craters there do, because I don't think it's easier to couple of the head of this many characters, and they have to go to place with him. Yeah. So our I would say I wasn't angering. Yeah. Wasn't angry at the end. I think there was they had to do what they had to do to get it, where it was. And, you know, Jonah's like he looked happy, you know, not his usual light wandering off way. What makes things? So. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. I'm with you guys. I mean, I wanted something different. But listen, it's not about what I wanted. It's what's best for the show or broke that down. It does kinda helped me put things in perspective and understanding. Okay. Well, you know, he is now the king behind the wall are beyond the wall. I really liked the fact there at how stark did win always been house stark from the beginning in like you said, before we started with this family, and I like how we wrap the series finale with this family, and that they all have gone their separate ways in each have been promoted in their own right? So I think that's really cool. I, I would have liked a better fate for Danny. I really would have liked her to not go so crazy to where she had, you know, have to die because of her actions. But at the same time, I do understand that given her history. But I just felt like they should have gone down another path, especially not to. Kind of grow the gender card here. Brett, especially since they did still well with promoting women in these leadership roles in China, do Danny's character. Just felt like you guys. Come on. It's gonna be for them to like go with that a little bit for their. Yeah. Yeah. So just a little disappointed with that. But, you know overall like I'm not one of those people that are like I hate this show. I'm scripture. Alike. I I'm just more like you know, it could have been better. But, you know, I'll order, why don't you say he said you paint your coming for him because he? With alex. What was it actually didn't follow, what was it specifically that made you upset was it who ended up being the king was it Danny? What was it that? Four is the entire journey. So, you know, we started off with with, Danny beginning, you know, the stocks and everybody, and then all, again, the Charleston Chevy relations built them up all the hardships, and they paid them in his glorious light. Then literally snap it a finger, like, what the third season which was on which another third season, which was on the, the white walkers, the war against August a second or third episode during and an episode for was like, okay and then five it just completely switched like it got rushed. That's the thing it went from buildings characters up, and what a snap it a finger. One episode you just hate. All of them had a diminished. All the love all the growing that we've done with these characters. It was like kind of unrealistic at. That's one of the reasons why I just couldn't take it. Like even though it is game of thrones. This was still it wasn't up to par for me. Yeah. Yeah. I think most people will be divided. Especially on Danny's turn, I'm on the side of things where it's like it, basically, if you go back and rewatch, they've been hinting all along. So her ruthlessness in, you know, the fact that she went, quote unquote, mad make sense. There are people that feel like it was rushed on. And that just because there was that doesn't mean that was good character development. So you're, you're going to be split down the middle when it comes to that. So I mean I was okay with it. Alex, clearly it's not. Yeah. I just want to add to that literally like the last decade. I've been crushing hard on Danny. So it's kind of like my heart was broken out of the like I loved you so much. How you this to me? She was the cool elevate, though, like the dragons and everything else, wanna reasons after watching. Yeah. It was kinda hard to see that just be like you know what? Just fine Rogun, whatever we find him, you know, he's, he's said off of. But I mean they could I guess they could move them on their own. Like everybody wanted, I guess. I knew that you can have both it was going to be one of the other. John Ardy died wants so the lab role. Any and Speedo drug? I actually didn't catch the hint where they're looking for drug either like oh, we last go east. And then brand goes, maybe I can find him like just like is gonna win. So that was my little fan favorite moment. But you know overall I'm satisfied with a series there, despite all its flaws the potholes. You know, people what people say is bad writing you try writing a show, this amend yourself. I feel like what is amazingly done. You know, this season might have been the best, but they were working off script. They weren't working off a Georgia's books anymore. They got the broad stroke, though, George gave them that the actual ending where everyone's going to end up. He didn't say how so that was up to the writers. But overall there is nothing else like game of thrones on television period. You will never like this a cultural phenomenon that's ended. We will never see it's like again and I know they're coming out with them blood moon next year, which is the game thrones prequel. But I don't feel like anything's going to touch on the magic of this. Series. And I'm I've missed the live tweets and black Twitter coming together and just the water cooler conversations at work. Texting your friends in the night like the episode and having you know call it a workers. Your depressive charactered I like I'm gonna miss all that. So despite the fact that the, the season wasn't up to par in path with audiences standards. I'm very happy with it, and I will always love the show. Excited about the they have coming out. I wonder if they're going to reveal some stuff that people, we still have that. So I guess I mean I don't think it's going to be exciting. Live tweets elect tweeted documentary. Yeah, but I like some maybe they'll drop some here. That make I don't know. I guess you can never everybody's still probably gonna be mad. After you were going to be cool with it, but I just wondered if they would like some kind of note sort of stuff that they may be we're thinking about or some of the, you know, some of the things that are missing from having to quickly, I agree. But yeah, I, I look forward to it. So, yeah. Let's get into our very less a fan reactions and questions. Lots of reactions clearly as I said, not my president was or not my king was trending on Twitter. So people weren't happy with brand. I do like this particular person's observation on John Arlene at Arlene for eight three eight seven four five five. She says this anyone feel like John got the hunger games treatment like catnip murdered, the recognize leader, then gets Castile and lives happily ever after while the rest of the world run smoothly. I'm an what can I say? Yeah. If you really think about it catnip exact same thing, she killed a leader. And then she was imprisoned, and they exiled her. The same thing as John. So I agree with that statement. But guess thing. Yeah. That's right. I never thought about that, that correlation and streams remains sif. I can pull up another one. Let me go into the brain tweets. 'cause people were there fill-ins. Just go in on that real quit when we hit hit this Twitter account. Right. Quick one second guys. Where is it at tweeted a lot last night? All right. So we already said it was Mon Cherie eighty three at sea Wests underscore Inc. Said I can't stand him and then he was called D at RS zero he n said, well he can't stand year but. Was was the tweet and then basically just people complaining about Brian that's really across the board. That's not my king on one person. Nameless, edge, a quarter to eight said, I love this ending brands perfect knowledge over any, everything is key. And the people some people do concur with that statement, so across the board, brand was not a popular choice. But I do fill in the end. He was the best choice outside of John. I think he was the best choice. So, yeah, that wraps our final episode all my gosh. What are we gonna do? A right in. And that's how I feel like in general. Like, what am I gonna live tweet Nixon day? What am I gonna do next Sunday on and, and doing this podcast with you guys have been such a blast Anjelica? Thank you for your hard work in the breakdowns, girl, you'd be digging into the detail, and then going outside of the show, getting more backstory behind how these episodes are constructed. Thank you so much. Thank you, Ryan, Alex, for your excellent commentary. This has been such a fun show to produce put out, and we've got so many great fans in followers that love listening to the show, and I really want to do more with the with the recaps in or just. Yeah. Does in general, because, you know, our followers and fans love that stuff. Yeah. You know what I think Jamie what we could do. This might be a lot. But maybe perhaps when our rewatch, and like breaking down every, like a lot, but maybe like a season that time I don't know. We could do like a recap recap. A recap the recap. Guys now. Yeah, I love game of thrones. And in, I need something to kind of fill that gap before we get to the prequel so that. And also, it would probably be good to do that, as a refresher before we will begins because I'm sure there's going to be Easter eggs. Everywhere. Yeah. Everywhere, people are going to have to rewatch to kind of figure out where those eggs are. But yeah, yeah, I'm definitely down for. I think it's a great idea. And I just wanted to add like I've been live tweeting game of thrones. I think since season three and it's just been a blast like live, tweeting this show over the years and game of thrones is by far, the only show that gets so many people, especially on black Twitter excited, and I've never I've live tweeted, several shows as you guys know that have been listening to be GM throughout the years and never have I had such a huge response from tweet and engagement as I have with game of thrones. So it's, it's gonna be interesting to see, like, okay, what's going to be the next cultural, fidget, cultural phenomenon of show because, you know, the, the other shows that are out there it's just not the same impact that game. Thrones has agreed in just like I, you know, we both live tweet for BG at an like I literally make a tweet and on a different show baby. I'll get like a hundred likes like fifty re tweets game thrown thing, I've gotten up to twenty five K likes like. That's like a quarter of a million. So, yeah, I, I hope maybe that the prequel will have such a huge following just because I just it's like nothing better than game. Thrones sunday. So I really look forward to next year in hoping that it recaps and it's going to be tougher them though. I'm excited that they do because they're, they're trying to do like, like three different ones. Right. Like they're different kinds of so that's gonna be paying that's like a lot, but yeah, I'm excited to see because I feel like they have to keep it going. Somehow still gonna want something. So. Yeah. That'd be cool. Yeah. Day money. They come up with. Yeah. Well, I, I definitely want to essentially put this out airwaves say thank you entire cast game of thrones. The directors producers, the set designers cinematographers everybody involved. It was it was beautifully done. And I don't care people feel about it. They didn't amazing job. I don't think anyone else could have done it. So I just want to thank them for these last eight years of amazingness, and we forgive you to the script supervisor that forgot to take an a lot about and the water about two to water bottles served Bagua in. It was in Sam two years. We waited and then you guys make this many. Thirsty. Yeah. This has been great. Thank you guys. Guys. I appreciate it. Black girl, there is this. This is awesome. I love this. Yeah. That you guys, you don't find this kind of span. I'll game let me just say when you doing watercolor tall, you're not gonna find that, that you find on a gene. So this has been great, thank. Yes. Thank you. Thank you guys. And stay tuned for new stuff from us coming up soon, and we appreciate you listening in later.

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The White Book S11E24 436

The White Book

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The White Book S11E24 436

"I mean to be King My lady not of a broken kingdom. I cannot say plainer than that three hundred years ago start King Knelt to on the Dragon. When he saw he could not hope to prevail that was wisdom your son must be wise as well. Welcome to the White Book podcast. The original egging groans else G. podcast originally founded in two thousand. To Champs in a trump, we decided to rebrand when the game relaunched second. A huge. Thank you goes out to fantasy flight games or Dr Mark For this game and world we love and of course to my co hosts you the list. Please if you enjoy the show, leave us a review on itunes or flat choice comment on facebook threads or even better support us on Adriaan. We love turning that kind of support back into the unit. This is season ten of the White Book. I was I was trying to find a good. Quote since this is The moment of our retrospective that takes us to the first. Chapter Pack dealing with clash of kings and I realized The word war is mentioned a lot in that novel and not in particularly memorable ways. Go figure. Well, a lot of words. Primarily You know a of just end up being wind and. Indeed they do. You know it's Yeah. That's I can order go from there. I went there. Well. We're. Our wind much like they are for us every week on the white book on will. And I'm Roy. And as advertised, we are continuing our retrospective. We have now made our way all the way to the second cycle of second edition Let's see what was the title of the cycle itself the war of five games, right? Because it's supposed to be based on the second book right. Sure enough. I. Roy You've been giving us the the breakdowns of Nate's articles. So you continue that trend, right? So nate. Kind of identifies. Three themes I guess you could say well, explicitly identifies to but there's sort of. Four right we talked about well before this that kind of come directly from the article there are two which is kings matter. there's a whole cycle of kings in one queen in Martell and. summer and winter plot traits and things playing off the summer winter plot traits Then there's sort of two softer themes which is. This cycle the first attempt to print academy cards into the game since the course that I believe. Me Most of the factions get some attempted economy card. And then. There is the loyals manner, wilty matters, theme which I'm sure we'll talk about some of the cards that really don't work. About this but where it matters whether or not certain characters you control or loyal or characters, your opponent doesn't control or non loyal stark like has a loyalty theme where rewards you for Playing Cards The new rob. Schneider? Robert. Big Rob I guess you could say King, ROB in. This is a great example of that also. Bear Island. Donald Horne would, and then Beira has the opposite bear has a theme importers of your opponent's characters arm non-oil so or not like the king status old king status in this one the Davos in this cycle. These are all cards that q off the fact that your opponent has not loyal characters. Do do we want to take a moment to talk about that or are used going on the article now I think that those are the four themes that were to start the article here. Doesn't really it's at least in depth of the ones we've covered so far. So it Kinda just says, Hey. There's kings in summer and winter enjoy. So we can start kind of I guess with any of the four big picture themes well, yeah would just one quick note on the article like we were discussing before recording. This is the of these articles that is specifically previewing this I pack of the cycle. So there's really only like a an introduction about the cycle as a whole, and then it delves into discussing 's some specific spoiler guards from this pack so that that's I think that abbreviated nature can a hamper some of that that delve into the designer's mind. Yeah, there's a lot less of that in here than there has been previously that's deflate a case much much more marketing release now at this point so that the trend unbeliev continues. From here on out. Yeah I think maybe the boxes are a little bit more in depth those articles if I remember right but we'll see we'll see. We'll get there well as these bigger themes go I wanNA start with what's maybe the Second. Biggest sort of. 'cause. In, my mind anyway. So connects to one of those softer themes 'cause you were just talking about the the loyal non loyal stuff and essentially what all of the Kings we all tie into that one way or another and you're you're talking about things like this first version king stainless we get and I actually I kind of like. How that's handled at least from Ned Lee perspective and how some of that breakdown is between which factions are rewarded for their own people being loyal versus which ones are punishing other people for being disloyal unloyal non loyal. However I should phrase that for this game and status and maybe like Joffrey are kind of like to really solid examples of that in a Nedley sense right like status doesn't care about whether you love him or not. He doesn't care about you. Really it's are you loyal to the throne? Are you following the law? Are you following your host whatever? That's all he cares about. So that's very neatly that he only cares about are the opponents people non moyle. And conversely, you've got Joffrey who only cares if you're loyal to him, right he's not not only from the the Lancaster family perspective right where everyone stays oil to the family and that's all that matters and stuff but he also has that extremely narcissistic personality where he is the only thing that matters. So it's all this inward facing loyalty. So like from a Netflix sense, I think the broad strokes of that are like well done actually. Yeah I think on A. On a theme love I, think all of the Kings are successes I. Think they're all pretty very well designed cards. Excuse me. from from a deadly perspective from the perspective and I. Think the loyalty matters theme. Works particularly. When I think when it's about like whether or not you Marshall. Loyal characters. Joffrey as you mentioned, is a good example of this. Meeting moving outside the king's like a horn would. Also kind of does that, but I think it's probably it's the problem is loyalty and non loyal. Is it like consistent enough across the card pool at any point four this theme to really work in a way that is really interesting or really comes as A. Deck building cost or like interesting decling question you know like we're not like worrying about your opponent status is never really something that you really consider or you know what I mean where The opportunity cost of losing to your opponents status. Because you know the. Your important non loyal character can't stand is never really enough for you to not play a good loyal character, right? Yeah. The because the Nihilo characters were playing just always worth it right and then like if you look at bay on You know. It just ends up being that the best. Great joy characters are almost overwhelming loyal because you want those characters to be loyal because that gives the faction entity. So you're basically just rewarding players are playing their best cards. And Things Victorian who will I believe is in the Land box right is like one of the few exceptions of this they want the small vic right I think is in the Lancaster, the six cost I think oh, but like other than that, literally all the other. A Character big characters were playing in. Great. Joy Are. Our loyal right. And that's just like that's interesting. Right it just like either pure upside or the downside is not high enough for it to be be a a a real cost in like bear really suffers the most for this because I think in all the factions. Great. Joy Star Lancaster. It's not really president night's watch. This is kind of like. Night's watch kind of flows under the radar with lot of this stuff. If I remember correctly I guess he didn't. Know there's not core. No corn cares about UNIX not loyal. Yeah. We're talking about, this is a really important cycle for nightwatch watch. So that's that's worth. Talking about I guess on its own but. Yeah so More proactive factions with this with this theme present. Excuse me. It works but like Beira which these cards Kingston is never ended getting their consistently enough and then there's sort Davos which you know I'm going to read this card because I don't know if it's ever seen competitive play ever if people joke about. Additive Mel but people tried him when he first came out I, I definitely remembered X. trying to use him an court Syrian for awhile. Sincere. You know he's kind of. The Bad Xerox copy version. Like really bad paper Dan dipper if you're a gravity falls fan. The advantage of having the. Smuggler Tree Right. The other one doesn't have the smuggler trait of course at one. I don't believe. Ma'am maybe not. Lord smuggler he's a six foot four by the way. Loyal. He's Stealth and we action Wednesday Dallas seaward bypass the non using saul either draw one card game gold. This is you know Fee. Radically, this would punisher good. Punish Lancaster player right because. So many of their good cards opportunity in this period of time were not loyal right? The moun- Tyrian who you mentioned. Jamie. I know I'm missing another big one that saw a lot of play at that time and those are all. Useful characters I mean, you can't bypass tear stuff is but provide has jamie you can bypass the mountain right and. You think theoretically this would punish a faction like Lancaster that rely rely primarily on its not cards. With. Of course, this is not how it ended up right or even Martell at this point rate. Martell had some really powerful cards like Arianna. But. It just didn't ended up just being garbage like this card is rigidity garbage and the same at the Santa suit who's a better in did see more competitive play primarily because of the first part of his text box during power challenges, each participating Nanking Against Strength. Compared to his reaction which I saw people just forget exists in tournaments. And you know they're just like primarily like matthew out how standards You know burn ability works and we're like, oh. Yeah. I, I carry doesn't stand is that going to lyles that character non loyal like the fact that there's just so many times when this card interest play people are like Oh what's where the lawyer? What cards do you have that aren't loyal right just shows you the this team never really landed and the fact they never go back to it is also another example I think of. Just is a big failure. Yeah. I I mean I. Guess there there's who there's multiple pieces tackle here. The the shortest one may be is Especially when you're looking at stuff like Davos and Stanton's than like it's obvious still even at this point in the second cycle that we were trying to find the balance point of strength for these higher costs, characters and these ones definitely came in below the necessary mark and there's just especially as the Carpool grocers never any way to go back and offset that and make them into a playable version as far as the the loyalty theme kind of. Largely abandoned from here on out You can see some some cards mixed in here that S- care more about unique versus non unique, and that continues and grows from from here. I think that was just kind of. Organic or. possibly. Even just a conscious decision on designs part that that type of Limiting factor I guess or that that type of targeting criteria there we go Felt much more organic to second edition or while probably just to thrones of general it was. The first edition but it also played up a lot of the things that they said they wanted to focus more on in second ride and making those those characters, those named people more fun to play and and just little bit stickier on the board and that sort of thing. So This I think is probably going to be the last time we see them in. kind of coequal spots, and that will rapidly take over the targeting restrictions. Yeah absolutely. I do think that that's really cool design space and it's why I'm always happy to see explored because I think that there's really interesting tension between unique in like the uniqueness mechanic in the dead pile for. Having. Some flaws I think we've talked about. On the show I, one of the more interesting things out thrones in its sets it apart from other similar. Character Battle Card. Games. And to play around with that right where you know in first edition uniqueness was largely downside much closer I. Guess You could say to like magic in Legend rulemaking you know legendary creatures. legendary land little worse than a regular one. While in second edition with the way saves were changed unique characters become better. And actually think is good in the sense that it's more there's more tension between the nine unique and the unique characters in your card pulled is actually decisions you know as much as our our former colleague Scott. will go on about saves and we've talked endlessly in the first episode about the changes that saves I do think there's a lot of tension there and I do like when they explore that it really does begin here with you know the highlight Carter being as you mentioned earlier core in hand. You know. If you've ever played today against a target area in player, you'll definitely see. That there is legitimately downside. gourds ability. There is. Where you're like, oh, man I want a sweet military challenge but I Can Kill any of your arts because they all unique. You know is is really interested in like actually. Playing around in effect like corn half hand is something you can do. There's action interesting deck building tension I. Wish it was actually more of it that I think you know punished unique characters. And Punish Ninety characters they could Florida the Meta, and you definitely saw that with probably one of the more unpopular cards in the impact slash things do love which is You murdered her children I. Think is actually. Is Actually I. Actually I'm thinking on the record in the review episode. Glazer and I did about it For. Either on the White, book Youtube or beyond the White Book The I. Think It's actually a good card to have in the. Carpool. I know it's a very unpopular take opinion but I think it's a really useful effect because punishes people for relying so much on there you're on their bay lawns there Danny's their Bentley's whatever. That you need. In the same way that corn component nine, you niks. and. As we'll talk about later, valor punishes strategies that rely primarily inaugurating characters as well. Man You murdered her children I don't know if that is. A rabbit hole, we want to go down. We'll. Get. We'll get there. We'll get there. I I won't touch that one. Right now. Boy but you did mention another one which. Is One of the individual cards I wanted to hit on but since we've kind of sidestepped in. This whole non unique thing that has been kicking off more in the cycle I think it's very reasonable to to talk valor Margolis writer now not only. Did it Serve. Let's say a lot of I said player Fan Service, and this is you know looking back in the history of the game. This is probably that kind of last Chance to cook. Those A. Former, I said players that were still kind of on the fence before things get to wieldy to get back in or their attention had completely dropped away from thrones this would have been an let's see. This pack would be starting what almost a year after the hidden. Yes It was out at the Gen con. That Chris shown one but not legal for it. If I remember right opening think he was legal in the melee but not legal in the joust if I remember right there is If I if I'm remembering correctly. Okay. So yeah almost exactly a year then yeah give give or take a weekend or two depending on Wind Gen, con was each year. So I think in some ways, it was a calculated move to. Try to tap a little bit little bit of that potential customer base or keep some folks that maybe were less certain about the second edition, a Meta and setup And honestly I think it was an attempt to fill a whole with a much needed a stopgap in the game of thrones system I I. I won't Rehash the entire thing here, but it did a little series of articles for Card Game DB way back in the day I add a about why am ma? Very certain that the design of the game. Basically, wound up being balanced around the existence of wide reaching board resets like this. Of course, wildfire was available both in the very initials release of the C.. G. And in the first release here, second ad the core set. But? It still didn't quite. Get there partly, the ability to bread that board out wider partly the the larger kind of the ability to go more vertical on these larger unique characters. Combined with the duplicate issues, we've talked about before like if it was aiming at a target that needed to be hit but in second ed I, think somebody had kind of moved the target a little bit to the side from where it was. While while this is obviously had a big presence an impact, it has not been the same impact. Yeah I definitely true. I mean I think as like. People myself included. But I mean, are our our wayward co host airing Glazer People thought that Valor Margulis was going to have a bigger impact initially netted did. At the time. I think it had a huge impact initially at first but then people realize that they printed both the as you mentioned earlier, the baked initial seconds rules are much more favorable. counterplay against valor more elicited ever wasn't first edition. And but also just in this cycle, there's a variety of different answers to it. You know there's The biggest example of course being crashed. that is present. The first cycle had close call, which in many ways is. The ultimate you know is is a really powerful answer to Margolis and there's interesting tension there but there are multiple ways to around. Go. So heroin hall in your holes in the cycle. That's a big. That's a big one like there were so many more like in many ways, nate. Watt, you over the head I guess you could say as much as possible with there are answers to Valor Margolis. On a structural level in the form of dukes being stronger on cancelable to there being things that planted in the first sight goal. Iron minds again, another example of the things that we talked about here ends up within this cycle itself goes to heroin haul crashed her. At the same time we'll also. Economy. Was a lot worse as So the two zero, zero, zero five was a much bigger hit when Ballard was first. And if they. Go ahead we'll oh well just kind of also with that we had talked in the core set stuff about new mechanics and tweaks, and, of course, reserve and I think along with that low goal value It's also worth including that. Let's say slightly below average reserve value and not even just sight below average I think the play patterns valid are goose encourages right? Kurds I addition rate was to whoever could successfully is very flattening out obviously. But whoever could bake their opponent into over extending the point where you could valor I generally one games in first edition right? Is that fair will yeah. And that's a lot harder in second edition because of five reserve right where you can't just hoard resources in your hand. And Valor and then be able to because you're not gonNA because two zero, zero zero you're not really gonna be able to flavor many cards issued really build up your economy, and if I the economy is pretty hard to build up second edition. But also even if you don't play anything on your valour turn, you're not gonNa have as many resources going into taking flip into an economy plot turn to so or the turn after Balladur Kula. So many ways if your opponent, you can kill nine of your characters but they save one. You know valor to be bad for you like. There's a lot of games like that that I played early when his car was released those very much like it seemed like the my the first Asian logic. This would have been a great valour. I kill six or seven cards of theirs and you know but I wasn't able to play a lot. I had to discard a card to reserve they ray able they'd played in the economy plot on Valor turn play two or three things had claim hit me and I'm actually on the back foot even though I've Allard and and a That said though. Able well, she's going to say that as far as the this goes kind of the drawbacks to valor I think this is. The plot like a lot of our earlier discussion about reserve of course, said like I it's good idea. We can kind of see how they get there. But wasn't quite as impactful as maybe we thought it would be an but I do feel like valor Margolis is a plot maybe the first plot that really made that reserve relevant partly because of the income issue, men made it harder to play stuff out harder to hold till the next turn so. Unlike a lot of plots where there is some kind of drawback, no reserve or you give your opponents are Saria N-n-no initiative to say or no claim or you give your opponent some golder in whatever sort of drawbacks might be. They are generally only on that turn basis. But in a lot of ways, the drawbacks to the additional drawbacks on this Fowler Margolis actually wind up impacting you for two turns the Terni played and the next turn with which really sets that bar a lot higher plus being compounded that With, the expanded resource curve but. Valor keeping the same to gold. In first edition like you mentioned in in that kind of scenario where they kept the one character whatever the differential you were back on like globe investment. was much lower and much easier to overcome their plot only probably only had four golds maybe you're down to the kind of play into that and only be. Were saying you know rough numbers only be it like seventy, five percent of their hundred or whatever right But because this spread has stretched out so much further. The one character plus now whatever plot they revealed might have five or six gold or something to your to. Now maybe you're setting it like fifty percents of their one hundred percent efficiency and that that's the further that spread gets out the harder it is to be effective. With with this plot that is absolutely and one of the, but I actually want to double back a little bit before we move on and actually say that I think the game. long-term though I think actually valid we're Donald. Goes is the most important cartoonist pack or the set like it is. Easily still the most influential card. because I think it's What it does to second edition is easily less important than what it Denver sedition but I think suddenly it. Has had a much more subtle effect on the game than. Than initially initial impressions I 'cause I definitely remember. On this show I think. I was on the show time by the time the site cycle to came out. I think so yeah and you know talking with Aaron there's a lot of heat about where valor ended up. But I think actually over time it's shown. Remains extremely powerful plot and a lot of that has to do with the fact that as the economy curve improve starting in the next cycle cycle three you really start seeing the power of valor even with all the drawbacks talk about the fact that we are at the point now that decks could be built around Valor Margolis in a way that. Is really powerful and I think actually aggressive allers are much more feature in second edition than they ever were in I not saying that there wasn't aggressive hours version there definitely were. Doing what's known for the most might be successful position was playing I gag could aggressively valor. It's its permanent you know but it was much less like you know there's like maybe. That could aggressively valor. You know four at certain points. You know in in second edition. And you know instill massively influential plot and it is it is actually ends up being a release valve. And I actually think long-term second edition valor ended up kind of where nate kind of wanted it to be you know in his public announcements and and I think privately without spilling too much TV the plate tests process although I was not involved with play testing process for the second cycle but subsequent discussions. That he had his, he wanted valid more ghoulish to be unimportant plot in the Carpool but not the center like it was verse addition and actually think ended up comfortably there that really Azra sitting here at the end of the G. era. Valerie who has mostly worked out. It. Has It's had its. Good Times, it's bad times, but it remains one of the most powerful plots card pool and definitely something that if you don't build your deck respecting it. It will punch you in the face and you will lose games because you didn't respect it And that's definitely something that is really important is really useful skate valve. I mean, you can just look in France's we'll championship Francis won the world championship because he and his teammates built a Tarzi of blood deck that was not only a really good toxic blood deck but it could aggressively valor and it could aggressively valor on turn one and not lose the game. And that really gave him a leg up over other Tarzi obliged the mirror crusher like for. At it was also just like a lot of people just weren't expecting in Agra Dak a non great joy agro Dak two dollar you wondered what? Right? So many ways it was like all I need to make sure I up my two or three key characters. To answer the taxi of blood. Deck. And I'll let's great I've got my. What's his name cleaness I've got my you know whatever I've got big too big military bodies that are unique that that. Are you know there's no way they're getting their their of blood sugar through. While they just away there's two awesome unique and you know and you're screwed you know your whole plan was building on Tempo advantage that you will have on the first turn and maintaining the tempo game in exchange resources disabled player. And they can do that again this is one example of many like. God. When are there we go. Lords. Deck. The he won the world championship with Martin Wolf Wolfback was built around our Margolis and taking advantage of it in and making opt the drawbacks of the card with things like dohrn and things like whatever the Martell. Not Low. Economy location is it's escaping me which one is called the one that gives you. cried. Location now, I can't think of the name, but anyway like again. But there were. But of course, there were other world will championship Dax that weren't really built around that Reinhart's was not really built around using valid mercantilist right and there are powerful successful strategies that weren't built around that. They had answers our goals they understood what it was, but it wasn't like a requirement. To play, it wasn't first edition that you had to be. Out there. United beating up someone ballsy like Derek Shoemaker to not play valor in first edition you really had to have cone as or whatever you know term you WANNA use for that to not play Valor Margulis you really giving up ev for not play bomber version not the kids like addition but that doesn't mean that the plot doesn't have long reaching. IMPLICATIONS DOWN TO PRESENT. No agreed agreed it definitely as the car pool matured, it definitely found home. Yet. DO WE WANNA double back. We didn't really talk about the summer and winter. Do you WANNA double back and talk about? Yeah. That sounds good. I say the summer winter is the theme here. I think it should be completed me. I actually think the second cycle is largely a failure I. It's definitely a step down from the first cycle. I think it misses much Mrs, much it swings There's still some powerful cards in here that play but I definitely think that the second cycle was a big failure and the stud the seasonal theme is such a huge point for this. King Summer Kings of winter our failures I mean Ginza summer is just kind of like. Fealty A. Where do you want your weakness to be with your economy agenda? Do you WANNA be able to run as many neutral cards as you want and get some reserve? Got You. Know You KINDA gotta play these summer plots to get your economy? Or do you play fealty and you know have to? CA. Cap On the number of of Neutral. Card. You can run your economy only works loyal cards right And use no reserve boost right? That's kind of like what kings of summer was it was kind of like an all feel too. So we really only saw playing. Factions that specifically wanted that the specific tools that some are could get them builders being the you know the quintessential example of this, the kings of summer bill. Of It but you Kinda like kings of summer with something you kind of almost always willing to cash in as you'll see, you know with worse. Wars to Cobb them when we get to to come they immediately I think the best version of of builders remains seeking the diversion of it in the history of the deck. I'm immediately, it was like, okay cool. We can get away with this kind of moby economy agenda for some real good stuff. And then kings have winter up to recently giant failure like even more. So the kings of summer summer was you know there was like this weird tension with fealty that Kinda was interesting I. Guess I don't know and. Failed up to recently the winter theme to sucked. Now. There's these stark winter decks that are starting to come up and be important You know you saw this with the start that did really well at Blackwater. A believe it one blackwater, and then you had the stark came in second at the shears. answered No Fees For Cross for crows, Edna neck bone big online tournaments happened recently So the winter themed kind of got developed eventually. Out once predicted once winter reserves plot, but for the for. What it really boils down to isn't even so much. The winter theme as the rest of the ECON- was developed right the the real problem I think that. These two agendas really exacerbate is. The. Discrepancy in ECON and particularly how it is tied into the summer and winter traits on the plots I mean Y- Yes I can track how you semantically one summer to be the time of of plenty and everybody has. Eight. Yeah. I know I know right and and how you want winter to be a time of a famine and everyone to not have much money but. What when you do both the agendas around that idea and the plots, and there's not enough other incomes. So at at this point in the game and for frankly still a wild to come. From the second cycle on you were beholden to though summer plots to have a reasonable amount of income it's queued debt construction and met a representation so hard that the kind of struggle back and forth between the seasons that what appears to be envisioned in these agendas. Doesn't materialize because the the structural mechanics? So the game that the economy game skews it so hard the other direction, right? I mean it's not even structurally the economy cards. I mean this specific decision that all but two of the good economy plots are summer plots. And then when they print a card advantage plot that has the summer retreat. That's also going to be a huge problem, right because like what what do you? What do you get from the? Choice to play winter. You get some moby to claim plots now. But Bunch of moby probably the best one is. Famine I. Guess would probably be the best one like effect as a plot Emma I'm missing one but I think that's Probably the strongest actual fact, but it's also a among the weakest income for you all the same time. It literally takes them printing unequal plot for winter to really break it open right. would reserves that that's what it is like if winter reserves had been in this cycle. I. Think we the I think the whole shape of Halloween theme developed with a change You know there's an attempt in the stark box to print heart advantage card in winter with Rangers case but that also never really worked out right? It's and when you look at. It compared to exchange information. It's laughable right Oh. Yeah. And you know it's like Shitty County kind coppers, and then exchanges just a straight upgrade over it even if there are some building cost a plane exchange that that. I guess we could talk about when we get to exchanges cycle four. Sounds about right. It's. It's definitely a ways from where we are. But. I think kings of winner is a giant failure also again I think. One of the. One of the problems I mean there's discontinue. You saw this a little bit in the in the core set and you saw again a little bit. Of In the first cycle, which is like attack your opponent's reserve team. which partially what winter does the would apply? The problem with that is as such a negative play experience. that. They never really WanNa push it and so but it's a kind of effect that only really is competitively useful if you push it. That's the death the thing about discard right and why you frequently don't see card games push discard as like a central theme or they do it they push it naked. So you know. It's Super Moby. If you WANNA go all in on a on a discard deck. Card Games will print like a really powerful effect like gum. What is thrones his version of thought sees. corset seat in flames. There we go. See them flames but that's hard. It's a single card right and then from that point. United. Gets beer beer beer because just like do you really want to like go into a turn where you have zero reserve without your choice? Like does that sound fun Like did, you can't ever reserve reserve many resources at the play every card return? I. Think is one of those Dan. The game also again also has additional built in intrigue claim mechanic that also means you're always losers anyway. So the fact that the N. P.. Nature of all in discard deck being something that they never really WanNa push is always gonNa make the cards that are designed to support that theme. mopey banking's winter's a great example again of this mopey ass card that. Just doesn't work until again it they lead to print basically at Boston card to make it work. Yeah. Compared to summer kings of summer, which was at least playable even before it some of the team before traits. No. The most boring conceptual idea of a plot. Here you go have plus one goal. It's particularly boring once they print exchange. What did you like? You don't have to consider can compress at all anymore right for advantage plot. Yeah. Right. Like any of the other advantage potsy like. Oh man we so exchange of information four gold and an additional reserve. Like why wouldn't I play to of that card right? It just becomes again. silly. And again, because kings winter suck so much there's less fear that your skin of summer is going to get turned off. Right, which was one of the more instinct engines in first edition between the season's is you could more frequently see the season's switch although summer didn't see play I, guess a winter was more common. In I issue towards the end will right if memory serves me. Yes because there was like really busted star cards. In particular that relied on leader but and even great joy had some follow up too but nobody had particularly busted summer stuff, right? You know there was some summer Raven Let you draw cards. I can't quite remember what was additional. Yeah. There was wasn't there neutral Sam that let you draw two cards every time you played raven right there. There was something yeah. You also got goal. While summer. Right. So there was some advantage to to plane summer but you but it would legitimately you could see a season change right? In first edition, but there's not events in second edition I think the designed to make it in the plots as maybe cleaner than requiring an additional like draw deck card space which was kind of weird anyway like when I when you know actually didn't own the pack that had the ravens in them for a while inverse addition when I started I started playing. So I was always really confused about how you're supposed to consistently create the season's. Gotcha right. Because there's not I think there's only one. In the course adversity that actually changes the season, which is the stark crowned. The or Gary in card that makes it summer I can't I forgot the crown does that yeah. As long as there's not a raven, right? Yeah. Like again, further breeds of weather I. of course that is terrible. It's very poorly designed. But. Like I think I understand getting away from that mechanic and second edition in putting on plots is kind of interesting. But that ended up just not working out as you know having anywhere like interesting interplay even today where now winter's more powerful. It's still not a huge thing. Although the one plot here, the one winter plot. The does sometimes get screwed up in this counterplay and can be interesting and campaigns dot com of games, is winter festival. The only really successful version of that effect where it's like if you flip a summer plot on key turn where you know your opponent Mike. Flip Water Festival that that is really interesting counterplay. Particular against rush decks right and Glazer, I actually commented on match at Blackwater that was settled on the fact that. The player decided to not flip their summer plot. That, they had on their opponents really. Telegraph withdrew festival turn. At allowed them to get to fourteen power at by the end of that tournament easily into into their fifteenth. Yeah, it's the game probably could have done with more effects at that type of level that where the individual plots were turn. On or off depending on what your opponent did. 'cause I'm trying to remember off the top of my head. There's winter festival than there's what someone that discards a power from everyone that doesn't have A. Discards one power from one card long winger by everyone that doesn't have a summer, which is such a tiny effect to be completely negligible. Out. Too So it's four. So yeah, even like it's like you know four six to four or something right And close call. You still get the character move, but you don't draw card if your opponent played a winter. Right. Those those are the only three I can recall off the top my head now. That have that type of interest in trump plot interplay. So. failure for summer winter. Yeah. It's a big failure. I guess that brings us to talk about the economy cards, which maybe we could do a little bit more quickly. Looking through each faction. All of them got one. Mostly unique locations right but Niagara. gets the event right levies. Now you can. Catch. Lists. Circa to. the Edgar King Beggar King actually doubles right as about the economy card and their king card. Oh. Yeah. Actually I think you You are right. I hadn't quite caught that. Then does actually weirdly does. Is. The title not L. The only one that doesn't get one. Year, but maybe. Bernstein. Yeah exactly. Coast off of that. Yeah it yeah. They're the only one that didn't get an economy card So there's seven seven factions plus Or do you count encampment since it can put characters to play for Free I? Guess that's true. That abridging. Kampman. Banbridge. Such as soft. That's probably have such yet. That's fair. Then that's so it's all factions, right? Yeah. Anyway Walter Yup I. I think that this. Mostly doesn't work. the. You know I think. Probably two thirds of them don't see very much. Play you know Oh, my God, how many fights did you know I have with my teammates about Bear Island. Where I was initially. Bullish on bear island and many other people were bearish and then you know kind of flipped where. John Andrews Dark Nausea was always about one expert island. Why isn't there one expert island in this deck you know? And it just never really got their white tree for a long time. Didn't see anything tower the sun you know. He's got restricted, but primarily restricted to nuke. Not. Necessarily all. Yeah to new Combo and of course, the brothel never saw any play in bailout our solar. Like I mean it saw a teensy bit apply as a one act I seem to recall. Off and not summited. Yeah well, it's not limited economy, right? That's that's also the important thing the state. What separates it from the the arborists limited. Right, this is all non non limited economy but so much of it is either a unique or be super contingent on, but I would say as a way of smoothing out the economy differential between factions is a giant disaster. And weirdly you know starts marking. Tar Garin. As being the second best faction with economy. You know we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA see Pretty Lebron openly you know Lancaster dropped to third place and be replaced by Darian. Having the second best economy. Excuse me in the in the in the game once we get to the third cycle and we start seeing the economy cards know the the first real attempt to push new? Economy. Designed space into the game, which is giving infinitely more successful than what happens in the second cycle. It was going to really actually fundamentally change the way second edition was played but that but here it fails and I think it doesn't even fail interesting like a lot of these cards are just really dull. and. And there's actually a lot of that in the cycle. There's like a lot of cards that are just really dull. and that just miss. It's Yeah I mean the poster child for that I think is. The broth right that never saw any play because the the type of has here you know would you pay three to get one? Is. Only only do. MARSHALLING Even. A surprise of vendor ambush or something. And Yeah that's that's just Kinda the. The biggest example of. The effort being worth the payoff on a lot of these. Absolutely. Yeah. Other than the income theme, there is a broader topic that I wanted to hit on. It. That relates back to some earlier stuff that we were discussing that. Admittedly I probably, Shoulda brought this up then but I feel like. This is a cycle that really hits home to me How kind of. mismatched night's watch place is in the game just as far as its very existence At all as a playable primary faction where it just really doesn't Hook into any of these themes that we've talked about except wait a minute. Do any weight do any of these reference summer or winter I thought something did but now I'm double checking and actually Maybe, not. Let's see. Yeah none none of them none of them do. Tie to any of these themes at all not even winter like I was thinking off the top of my head. And they. They already eat like it's it's just a weird place from a Nedley perspective for like the loyal stuff where watch has kind of a weird place there when you want to make kings a huge part of things, you obviously have trouble with Martel. You really have trouble with night's watch war again swore not participate in the politics of the realm you can look forward to the release later released content least argue that hey, martell has. Schemes going they are going to attempt to crown a queen one queen or another, and you can hook onto to that somehow and find find a home for them that interprets that but. The just really really cements for me that night's watch just doesn't fit. Yeah, I mean Nightwatch I think is definitely one of the big winners here. And actually some of the most interesting nightwatch watch cards are in this cycle I mean the most infamous Wan's right I think we've how much have we talked about haunted forest before we even got to wear it print. It was granted will in this cycle? Few, but there's a lot of like really. Interesting powerful. A lot of the power in night's watch is located here Maybe that's why maybe all of this is so powerful because they don't connect to any of the stated themes for this cycle at all draft because I think nightwatch was just the weakest faction going into the cycle, I. Yeah I mean, all the teams are the least developed they require the most Support Also like how like? nightwatch super weird because it's really hard to frequently fit their themes in like like fit nights watches specific themes into the broader themes like there's no king in nightwatch right and the decision to make wild wings a neutral theme. Also. Also suffers right. So there's no nice watch mace. Not makes manse excuse me. Here, right, which there could have been there there could have been like you could make wild wings rather than being a neutral theme, a Nightwatch team, and then you could have had him instead you just basically see support for internal night's watch. Themes that I think are just like just like some of the funniest and most powerful nightlife cards are here right like Dragons Dagger Ari. White Tree are all really really fun nightwatch cards and then of course, you have the ridiculously powerful night's watch cards like crafter Ed Koren Show Tower Mason Craven. And I missed the first man falls under phone cards right So I actually think this might be the only faction almost all bangers. All the Nice. Setter playable. The fact of the worst is fissile the first man which is A. Craving for like it still fits that role that Shagrue role, right? It's like demanding that players build around it. And then I gathered of course was also Dad for a long time. Until it wasn't. Right. So I think that, and then the the next faction, the next best faction is. which misses a lot more right it it's got. there is claiming. King rallies hosed. Author offered a peach. Never worry winning people like in casuals keep never went up going anywhere. But capitals keeping offer the PTR, other cards Kinda, like scream. It's Card's Kinda. Bad. But there's some value billion around of fund to be at building around it. And then of course, there's the straight up probably the most busted seven cost character in the game. And the one that's kind of like avoided restriction. In, the form friendly and the fact that this is the car that continues to carry tyrel to present. Tyrel is I still think even with the pod system remains the most restricted faction. If I remember I had stopped to actually count that up I should have. And the fact that it's still playable. On the back of ringling like Ren Lee really does this this is the Pack that kick. Tonight's watch and Entire into the serious Meta. like they don't ever really leave. Going forward. and a lot of that has to do with just the power of in Patmos pack for these two factions. but. Other factions. Get. COMPLETE GARBAGE with Bradley and being one that has a lot of really bad cards. like visit by Shadows White Raven. Ritual, over lower stone drum. All the. Valere Valerian God. And then gradually also has a lot of really bad cards. It has some good ones wrong. But also has a lot of really bad cards. it just again continues to show that. All. Now. I'm definitely not playing I mean has our preview card that you. And I had with I don't think he works at. G. Anymore. He. Was the studio head. Mike Goal Michael Hurley. We had him in bail on right As our two spoiler cards, we had him on if you meet it though I think actually interviewing him if I remember if memory serves as. Man. Now. I've I've completely forgotten now. I've just very distinct memories of it because I was trying to be quiet. Was An apartment and recording it at like. Ten o'clock at night eleven o'clock at night and trying to be quiet, which is very difficult for me in like a studio apartment. So. It was very it's very memorable experience for me but I remember ours is the old way and because we had Michael on and it was a preview card, we were like trying to talk about it. You know useless. But this course truly is one of the worst cards in the car that that does sound familiar the trying to sound okay. While he was on the show and then tearing it apart in the pack review out. You know we got bail on a legitimately interesting card. But Yeah I would just say overall I think that this pack. It has a lot of individually powerful cards and individually influential cards. But when you view it as a whole and particularly on a theme level into failure. Yeah I've got to say looking at this cycle as a whole. This is this is where design. Really. Starts to stumble that that some of the cracks we were looking at in the game design get exacerbated by some of these effects and and just the overall. Road Map of where some new directions going to go just don't stack up. Yeah and I mean the next product. Is the end of the Nate French era of second edition and I think we should save. We should save the discussion of this but I think it's important but I think the original design principles of second edition hold through this into the Lancaster box and this you continue I. Think you see in this pack. Taken as a whole, the weaknesses of some of that initial like design philosophy Like a lot of card like song. There's so many cards here mean Valdemar Gould is one example, but it's one that I think. We've talked about it to death side, but you'll in the Andy worked out, but there's a lot of like hangover from first edition cards. So Carter brought back from first edition but are brought back is like really shadows of themselves who see what you did there the biggest one being actually not that. Visited by shatters. Is Actually dissension. WAS One of the defining cards of first addition right like that card so much play. Really. Powerful powerful answer card really powerful escape valve. In met up. Really punish your opponent right. If they did that like all refugee set up, right you could just pop you good blown out of the first turn, right? They could just not have aboard. Right because I it didn't it just every refugee remember. Man, it's been awhile the fact that or dissent dissention here. Cost you golden only hit allies didn't hit mercenaries. That's the thing that really hurts this card. if it hit allies and mercenaries and what's a weird of course is that the decision by designed to not use this as an escape valve? Right? Like there's some hints in the core set that know ally legitimately be a drawback attachment or a drawback trait bouncing trait of the central could act as escape valve like it didn't for sedition were. Carries through here. I think when you've got like jacket and pyrometer answers on such. And there's also there's also bad the wrong arizo cartwright the bad version of the refers sedition version your version of it like there's some attentive here but it's such a leak mealy mouth version of that effect where if they had actually puts the effect of level first edition as an answer escape, the actually would have ended up being better for the game like imagine dissension if it said, choose an ally mercenary character. Even, without mercenary contract, there's a lot of really powerful mercenaries that. Could be could be could hint if it could be allied mercenary and companion even who that would have been a nice update for a second since that. Tree paying interest slapped on so many different things just like ally was in. Verse addition. Oh. Yeah. It kind of became the new ally and secondhand. Not. As many allies as kind of the core set up through this kind of sudden. On sedate leaves. It's not a it's not a trait that Danny's interested in supporting. Abdus descent becomes you know proxy paper. Cardboard Oh Larry is the the key mercenary that I was thinking of I had actually forgotten Dario is also a companion. While he's definitely a companion Danny in the books. And drew dissension. Yeah. Like the central great example of this northern refugee is another example of just again, these like bringing cards in two second edition but then being so. So, afraid of their power level version that they just get nervous into the ground like, and you could definitely see we're still at a point in play testing where nate would be like let's bring dissension back and play would be like this cargo super powerful cannot let it be awful. The Watts. In seconds. And that just like such A. Such a burden that is on. So many of these. So many cards in here that. Unless you are a chip card you. It's really hard to overcome that and it's huge. It was a problem in the first cycle in it's even more of a problems in in the. In the cycle, but there are, of course, will be honest venomous blade. Did end up working out effect. That came out with a new. Different but still evocative version and maybe maybe that's part of the what it does well is. It steps the furthest away maybe of some of these. CG and I had nods Yeah I mean it's still still kills us to strength character but. The rest of everything changes. The most I think to things like valor or dissension it's actually the best designed. It's one of the best designed one point I wanted to point out updates right? It keeps the spirit of the card which is keeping sheep characters in check in a reusable way too can also be a surprise. But a dozen in a way that plays with the mechanical space of Second Edition Right? Rather than having the like weird I. don't even remember in I turned into shadows I think it was just after you lost a challenge may have as defender I don't remember. But like this again, of course place, the fact that metaverse blade is non terminal. And the fact that he can be both partially Vase Action End Challenges Action You. And I it was just after you lost the challenge. Yeah. Any challenge. So this is like a NERF, but it's an interesting nurse, right? Mom and there's always dislike tension between you know Oh, I want to put this on our on return Arjan Reuse it again. But also you know the strength could be useful yet the secondary utility that strength bump. It's so subtle but I don't want to like knock that as an offset to making this card actually work because. It has more paths to be active in the game. You know and it it it sits. There is like if all of the updates to. First Edition. Cards into second edition were venomous blade second edition would be a lot better particularly early sets. And Compare venomous. Blade to to dissension. I. Think There's There's another conic. Here. Else. King of salt and rock was definitely something I add but. Sure wouldn't. Topic. But it will literally the same thing. I believe. I guess northern refugee could the refugees were super iconic to? Two first editions, maybe that could be, but it's just update with dissension. Hard. Car will start is. The other ones you were thinking. Of is much more this one or not the first cycle, right? Yeah. Yeah. Oh how should the undying that might be? Dying go. Yeah, that's another massive conic I particularly. To champion jump slash white book right right got. What? Greg Got Mad King off of the power of housing dying rate or whatever. What. What was it in first edition called it was It was one of the hills until. Now Three costs look at their hanging filler. Now, Ramirez was. Very, the seniors I think I think. Right that Guy Greg. Mad King Right. NOPE nope. man-king was actually Bruno. Bruno so we've got three. Boys Greg. Greg. Greg the. Last or next to last I said world's. Oh No, and now I'm looking at the card. No VICINI's was the one costra analysis the four. Ratings they reopen anyway No Musalo Hill to two at the time was out he was using that agenda with a character light deck. Actually I I do think it was the last first world's if I, remember right and He just barely. The deck kind of crackdown on him. He didn't draw what he needed in I. Think it was the semi finals, game? 'em. or not react wasn't Yacob's worlds because that right because I was there in. Greg. Was Not I believe, okay. Never mind must have been the year before then Ram was the one Sam one, right? Yeah. Not not the one, the Yaacob one rape played seven the finals because that was kyle's big shot right that was when started wearing start borders. You're right you're right Global Scotla it was the it was the year before that it was the year that I followed world's coverage is I just got into the game and I like you know people like new Glazer. Nobody. strums and Dan. Strew Hall made deep runs, Dot Lauren Fitch. That I'll make deep runs that was that was the the. The year, all of down here should've just run that deck but are Damn Western independent streak when wouldn't let us all run it even though we'd all been testing it down here I'm I'm still to the state very certain if there had been four or five of us, all actually running that deck. Oh Would've had that championship I mean almost certainly although didn't DC. Lancaster Decade Okay Matchup? Against Deck. If I remember the rivers neck of we are literally putting this lady if your have your kitchen player in you're listening right now I'm sorry if you're driving I'm sorry this's please. Don't sue us when you crash into someone because she fell asleep from the super inside baseball for addition but I think if I remember correctly, all right matchup A. Arts from the rivers yeah yeah it. Gosh the exact back and forth of that is escapes me now but it probably in that type of match really came down to power differentials. And if the Lancaster, player was able to just stick enough unopposed challenges to to be above when time was called. Now that would be my guess but my my memory is fallible at this point. I know. What we should probably moved. We're talking about first edition we should probably just staff wrap up. I guess our discussion rate. I think we could all the key points. About this. I think it's the weakest products so far released in In second edition. Do you remember like I think people were also pretty disappointed with cycle at the time if memory serves. I. Yeah, I think so. There was just a lot of awkwardness. Of course, the I definitely remember there was a lot of up in arms stuff about valor, and of course, the first ad hangers on were cheering. It's return and I remember a very vocal contingent of of second only players who were very against it. Then, it Kinda like lipped where it was this whole. you know death. March. About how valor was terrible in segregation like Aaron who like iron? Glazer's the biggest example of this red suicide or valor came out. You know he became a medium in the facebook groups of valor coming balance comes can save this game balance come and then went Valerie came out on it's not good enough valid terrible. Blah. Blah Blah Blah. Blah. Blah Blah. Blah. and. Then condition players were like dollar's GonNa ruin the game. came out dollar whatever valor doesn't matter. Bright is kind of what I remember the discourse being primarily Yeah. But that's the the biggest one that I can recall out of this cycle but just a lot of weirdness where folks were trying to defend and push cards the like. Just didn't really quite yet have a home or didn't. Didn't really quite work like ours is the old way I do remember people trying to push that at first has been westerners. Almost certainly wellness. Yeah. thinking about this era if I if I remember, right. I think you gotta think about the lanny box as well. I mean rains really does shake this whole situation up. It's you know I, think you start seeing. You know the beginning of this sort of the Beginning of the end of the Joma Rando style thrones where it's all about the temple. Right of the initial safe I year year and a half because I think. Zeller. Was Not legal for the world's Joe One but it was. Maybe. I think. It, cannot. Minted this come out. Not Certain now, we click through this came out in. Valour would have been the last card the second pack I think wish the day. Well, it's going to say next week. So I should cook the story Excel of two thousand sixteen is when the first pack him out. So. Yeah. So the first came amount July twenty, sixteen fowler is in which pack. It's card eighty so would not be in. Yeah. came out. Forty cards in a pack in November. Twenty. Second Twenty sixteen or was not out for Joseph. So. I. Think. The tempo is king style worlds. Were Way of playing first edition. Which of dominated the first year and a half of the game. Is Really. Begins. To sort of end in the second cycle, and some of that does have to do with our as we move into the Lanny Dragon Age which to me is more the agro is King Age numb which will dominate the twenty sixteen into twenty seven before we move into combo passer power is king my favorite time. In thrones. Intake addition thrones. So I think the interesting thing of course is the second cycle begins that transition not immediately but it's a slow slow transition. It starts here in moves into the agro action advantage, not even tempo but action advantage of land Lanny Dragon era. really kicks off. Right after right after this cycle in once we release of rains and then we get the. Economy take off. And at night. Of course, we get cards like plaza. Of Pride. Yeah In the night's watch box you. Will Get to eventually. We get to to get into some of that. The next time we do one of these, it'll be the box, right it will. Though Slight heads up to our listeners. Roy is going to be off for a little bit while he settles into a new job in new place mall. So I knew place. So a new price. Yeah. So we're we'll. We'll still have some kind of content coming out, but we're probably going to table this serious for few weeks. While Roy focuses on real life absolutely I'm GonNa Miss Doing the white book real basis. For a little bit I will definitely be back I. Know some people will be quite excited to hear that they don't have to listen to my ramblings. And other people those who do enjoy this level like design stuff that will have to working on we will be back. This is a project, I think you and I are both pretty. Pre, passionate about getting, getting, finished and. Talking about this kind of retrospective particularly as we are waiting for our good friends in the Conclave to be able to hammer home. new cards which I hope should be pretty clear I. Hope now the despite the fifth episode we've done. To to on the score said first sight goal Yup this be the fifth. Design cards is hard. And you know we are. Backseat driving here and you know I. Hope we're being pretty harsh I'll be equally harsh once you know I'll be honest. Starting with the next cycle, we're in an area in which I was involved in the play testing. In fact, probably the most heavily I was involved play testing will be the next. Three or four products that come out probably from the Lancaster box to. The martell box kind of win. Myself, Aaron Glazer and and some other friends of ours we were most heavily played testing the game conveniently I I. I like the most holy microbes at the table. You know. So but I think it's really hard and it should be really clear I. Hope to folks that what the Conclave is doing is really hard and the fact that you know we're sitting here six months ish at night and maybe three three to six months after the Conclave former, they still have new cards. Is Not surprising and Not, being paid right was cards getting designed was slow when there was two, one, two, three people in who are literally, it was their job to design cars they were drawing livy design these cards. And now we. Have people who aren't doing that who are supposed to be signing cards. So I hope it should be clear listening to these episodes people should. To be patient and understanding about the delays or yeah I agree I mean even in a more normal world are the next closest analog that I think a lot of our listener base might be familiar with is the. what project new say for for net runner and I I'm pretty sure it was at least six months before they had new cards outright and. The world has not been normal. So I I can't blame folks for being a little little distracted with real life on top of all of the direct effort involved in getting that stuff out. Go we're not really ending on the danger zone the slow slow you know talking about the Conclave laying might you know lay my cards on the table about being a play tester? That all is just the danger zone right there. Well. I. Guess It is true closes this chapter the White Book?

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The #ThronesYall Recap Show - Episode 2

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The #ThronesYall Recap Show - Episode 2

"You are listening to the black girl nerds podcast. The following episode does contain spoilers from season eight episode two of game of thrones. Welcome to episode two of the thrones y'all recap. My name is Jamie. And I'm your host here over at Blackwell nerds Mary very thrilled to do this show. And just I think it's a great time right now for so many game of thrones fans as we watch these episodes every Sunday night and have the opportunity to do this podcast recap. And we have a third party. Now. So knows maybe each week. We'll have new folks coming in. But we do have a third person. That's joining myself and Jelica are wonderful moderator. So Ashley, please introduce yourself to the GM podcast audience. Hi, I'm Ashley. That's basically it. Yeah. Like, I found BGN, and I was like, oh, this is super cool. And then we started back and forth. And we're like let's get thrown because everybody's drinking that Kool aid. That's me dash on TV. Cool. Welcome to the right place. Okay. Great then ngelo ca ticket away. Let's let's dive right into it already this week while there is virtually no action so much went down. Like, my fingers were flying the whole night taking notes at probably every seen after a we wrought just to take down notes because it was just so many things happening. I saw criticism online that people said it was slow pacing. But in my mind like this was the calm before the storm. So you people can't be I don't know what you want for she complained about fast pace, and that it complained about the fact that they slow down. So. What to get some sort of story building before we get into the climax. What to be the big Platte twist for the season. So you know guy. Yeah. Be patient. I disagree. I thought the pacing was perfect. I'm actually throw shade at my father. We had a discussion last night about for bad if you're listening. You're wrong. Let's dive into it was an this is probably one of my favorite episodes of the series to be honest. So I'm so excited to get into it. So let's start off straight away with the fact that we're only really in one locate. No, we are exactly in one location. We didn't go anywhere else. The entire episode focus on wonderful. No, sir. Say this week. No, sir. No on elephants. None of that. No elephants at all to be seen. And so we're going to dive into the opening credits as as it has done several seasons the opening credits change to reflect the episodes. So this I happened to notice that there's battle preparations around winner fell. Like, they had like the ditches, and those spiky things I don't know what you call the hose, you can see that. When I was preparing itself for war. And then I did want to touch something. From Las speaks to our did mention that the Astrolabe depicted three scenes, and I could not figure out what the third scene was. So we discussed the red wedding. They also described the birth of Danny's dragons and the third one was the fall of the wall. So I just wanted to get out out the way 'cause it bothered me for like a good week. I think somebody on our own crowd channel also mentioned, okay. Okay. Yeah. Thank you person on the girl. And so I feel like the overall theme of this episode. I've noticed was was an basically the characters, but it was also about change and these characters interactivity relating to each other and how they've grown and actually writer Brian cognitive. He he writes outside of David Bain off and db Weiss. He writes for the show as well. He called a love letter to the characters. So basically, he's making us fall in love with them. So he can kill them off next episode. So what are your guys thoughts on this episode is far as what you took away from it? I actually you go first. Okay. At tom. I really do. I think this is probably one of one of my favorite one of two. But yeah, it's it's much like, it's super awesome episode. I like watching tension not so much action as what tension and there's a lot of tension this week. And I I like that slow pace like, I don't I don't know what like how you know PG thirteen around here. But the crap talking all of that. That's why like about game fronts like the the lions in the shade. And that's what we saw us. We think at least it wasn't slow-paced me. I thought it was intense and really like sixty in that way. Speaking of sexy. I just got even more attracted to torment because. Right. My ginger friend because I am team torment and Brian. I know a lot of people wanna see her with Jamie, and I would more people that was shipping them as well. What was it season four? I think it's so I totally get it. But listen to women. He's just such a good guy. And we got a little information this week about him. Like, he's a feminist like this like f- tradition ahead and be knighted. I will night you many many times over. I mean, I'm times time. I don't think he was talking about by the way. But I yeah, I was all about torments. I know we're going to dig into that a little bit more. But this this episode was just so fantastic. And it's it's gonna be really tough to see what happens next week because we know that there's a death coming on there could be many deaths, and it just kinda sucks that you know, it's probably going to be somebody that we all love. So I agree heads the love letter to the characters. Brian Kaga was basically apologized to them before he killed them. So let's go straight into it the episode. It's Jamie before the great hall, and my man looks nervous. My man. Am I actually posted its meet their my life? If anyone remembers like Jordan Peele like sweating. I'm like Jamie in the. Oh, yeah. That is that one's Jamie. He basically everyone in that room hated him. So, but let's start with the person that probably hates them the most, Danny. So Danny starts off saying I wanna tell you about a bedtime story. And that sounds cute, but it goes left quickly. She says I want to tell you about a bedtime story that my brother used to tell me about the man that killed my father and all the things I wanted to do to him. Once we got him. So that's a good start for anyone. So Danny gets digs in. And then she kinda throw shade. At Jamie, Jamie was supposed to bring the Lancaster army. Instead, he just comes alone. So Jay sees me. Danny kinda hits them with the. I don't see an army. I one man with one hand. That's the sex off without people like it's just quick little jabs like cold blooded cold-blooded. Yeah. Danny's, you know, the Queen of shade. I'm loving it. I mean, she's just throwing it all over the place this season. And yeah, I I don't I don't want to jump ahead. But I just I it's going to be more shea to be thrown as things have been revealed, Danny recently. So oh, yeah. Danny is is in rare form the season. She does not care. She's not holding back. She's saying what's on her mind. And it's usually shady and so for once kind science N, Danny agreed. Neither one of them trust any are seeing trusting me one because Jamie is responsible for killing Danny's father, and then Jamie, also attacks answers father and try to destroy her whole family, and I just wanted to say hashtag Justice for joining. Remember jury. Yep. I want that man to get Justice. So they kind of come becoming ground for once and. Right before that though, I forgot to dress Brin if we're talking about Shane fillet brand. Even though I don't think it was intentional shade. It was like d- shadiest common of the episode. I feel so they're kind of like grilling Jamie and Jamie gets arrogant. He's like, you know, I'm not apologizing for defendant my family, that's what I'm supposed to. And I'll do it again. And then brand goes the things we do love. That was perfect because that's a throwback to season one right after. Out of the window. That's exactly what Jamie said so raising that brand actually heard that on the fall down. I have a feeling visited that moment a few times. But that kind of kind of shuts Jamie at this point everyone's saying all these terrible things you've done if we think about it. We've been washing for the last couple sees a seasons. But only the audience know for sure that Jane was in one to push brand out that window so him on that stadium. Like, hey, summer day. I'll be worse. So Jamie shuts up. Yeah. What do you think about that? Ashleigh? About the about what the comments and being pushed out a window here. Just about the situation. Jamie embroidered, and how that remember like, I remember, you know, getting pushed out the window and everything. And then when he said, I was like well down. Take you know what I mean? I don't know how to explain it. Just it's so it's it's just amazing. I love that. Like, I said just sexy to me when you're at work. It's only way describing I hear the back and forth, and then that one quick one. And you're like, yeah. Get him. Get it was actually quite surprised at brands discourse with Jamie because I was expecting it to be a little bit more aggressive in that not necessarily that the to get into fisticuffs. But you know, I was expecting some more backbiting between Brandon Jamie about what happened and even discussing further about what happened. But I think you mentioned this last weekend, Jill good that. If it wasn't for Jamie, pushing brand out of the window. He wouldn't be the three eyed raven, and he mentioned, right? You know, he's no longer the old brand and that exchange, so I don't know maybe he's kind of somewhat grateful to Jamie for him being the the person or the supernatural entity that he is. Absolutely. Yep. Bram is basically above it off his lean objective. I'm sorry. Did you hear that? His main objective is just to destroy the night king. He doesn't care about anything else. And so we move further along into that actual scene and Santa she doesn't trust him. Danny says she doesn't trust him. So then Tyrian tries to step up and take up for his brother. Danny's not having it. That's your brother like, you guys could be incudes together. And so bring in comes to the rescue as I was saying, you know, we know everything that's going on. But the actual characters in the show. They don't know everything that's happening. As far as they're concerned. Jamie is a terrible person. So the only person that really knows Jamie knows that he's changed is bream. So she takes up for him. And it kind of talking about callback kind of reminds me of season four during season four season five Tyrians try. I think that was season five when it's kind of a reversal now. So instead of Tyrian on trial. It's Jamie on trial. And if you think about it Tyrians last witness character witness was who base agree put them away. And Brian is is Jamie's last character witness so to speak and she speaks up for him. And as a result of that because sounds trust or so much they allow Jamie to stay. Dini agrees with it. And then she refers to Jonathan wouldn't of the north. And she goes what say you and John agrees to they can't afford to lose a good, man. So he earns grand so much. I just wanna say like, dude. Oh, her your life. You you really need to do something wonderful for her give gift pack. Our ragging? Yeah. Something grabbing something needs to be done. And I just I'm just a few little moments throughout that burnt particular scene. I'm was really digging. Santa's new Alfred this week. Anyone noticed that? I didn't know. Okay. You guys gotta go back, man. So she's brand this usually she wears I mean, I wouldn't call it because they live up north. Everything's dark. She got into like a search like season six upgrade. Look, she's bring this leather dress. This louis. Someone did mention on Twitter when we were live tweeting what's up with the dog collar around sons. So I do remember that. Okay. Yeah. Well, she's had that quote unquote dog collars since she went dark sunset when she was in the Vale. But I noticed that like more armored like, I don't think sounds has going to war. But it does it doesn't hurt to have a new outfit for the Cajun. We're here and go to war. Gotta look fly. So they agreed alleging me stay. And I kind of I just thought this was funny moment gray warm returns the sword. And kinda like stares down like try it. And I'll take you out a thought that was funny. And then they're leaving do any goes to talk to John and John Foy from her. He's avoiding her for good reason. I don't think he knows how when to tell her about what's going on with this parentage. So his best option at this point is designed from her. This. Void avoid avoid by. Yeah. Hi by. I gotta go. I got things to do. So. Yeah. That kinda that Lord girl had move on from that. So then as a result of what happened between Jamie, sir, scenes here. It's very clear that Danny is not happy with Tyrian. So she kind of threatens to demo- him. She she says, you know, either you're a traitor or you're a complete fool and Tyrian him, Mitzi. I'm a full, and he turns and she says like either you figure this thing out or I'm gonna find someone else and he joys waiting for the job. Wait a minute. Ready? Yeah. I mean, tearing does turn around Jura and varies in goes. Like, what are you gonna end up wearing this? The city of the hand of the king or Queen. I should say so. Yeah, Terry, and basically drinks knows nothing. But you know. Clever. What that one but actually later down the line throwaway scene, but George does manage to convinced any to allow Tyrian to allow Damien to give tearing another chance he does at MIT like. Yeah. Kind of broke my heart when you made him the hand of the Queen. But he's made a mistake his mistakes as we all have and he's owned them. So try to give them another chance and Danny agrees. So yeah. Give give Jordan other chance. I mean, I I love joy more Mont. He's just near and dear to my heart. And you know, it just it's kind of sad me that even though of course, Danny's with John and as it should be. But I kinda wanted to have that moment where they could have a little bit of a romance. Because if you remember like in the books that was like a moment when wind room employs Joyes wife looks similarly like like Danny in the books as well. So. He just he has so much love and loyalty for her and he'll do anything for her. And it would have been nice to have just seen that kind of moment between the two, but Georgia's place in it is what it is. Yep. Sir. Fringe zone. He knows his place. Beautiful though. And it's like, right. I think that that line not being crosses on poetic. It's like, I love you. But yeah, I know much place. Love story time. It's story time. Sorry. All right. So now, we're gonna go to the juicy stuff. So aria at the four. 'gendering you. Wow. This kind of fast didn't it. I mean, we're going to be a little bit more four play and build up into this. Just get right into. Episodes. We got time for them. We're gonna get into the down and dirty a little bit. But we're gonna hit on the foreplay. I, but I just going to touch on when she actually I goes to the the forage, and he's making all these thousands of weapons and she's like, dude, where's my spear? He's just like I'll get to it. I have thousands more weapons to forge and then they kinda get and she's checking amount. His muscles are bulging. Yeah. Yeah. And then she kinda I feel like this is artist way of dirty talking. So she asked him like what are the white walkers? Like like, how do they move? You know, how do they what do they do and gentry? Just he no he's keeping you kinda Dom. He just says, they're really bad. And are just like, okay, really bad. That's all you got for me. So he kind of explains no their death, but John fill. So ROY is is DAT. Aria is very familiar with death for she kinda I very thirty. She's like thorns daggers at their posts in which every she's saying, you know, I know that he's got many faces. I look forward to seeing this one. And then she kinda like saunters off. And you can say like, brag oak, pray absolu- girl. It would just auto autos or face. I was like, oh, this is of this thirty. I think family right part of this. Moment. The room guys. Like, do you? Guys, eat a moment. But actually before she stopped her daughter. She asked my wife, and he's like I'll get right on. It. So needless to say she'll get that weapon sometime during this episode. Gingery that job ain't going nowhere. He came to the right place. So we kind of touched on this before. But Jamie and Bram so brands at the gods. And I thought this was funny. Someone noted there like so how's Brad getting around like there's no access ramps at winter fell. That's nothing but Snell, how is he in the face. Squillacote kinda levitating because he does have these super natural abilities that he's moving himself. And it's probably love it. I just told myself us team functioning hands. Cripple by has his hands. I'm very he was rolling himself to these places or someone's like pushing him and then leaving him and coming back later. I I don't know. We'll figure I'm sure they'll explain it at some point how brand ends up in all these places. But brand are Jamie approaches brands apologize. So he's like I'm sorry for what I did and brands like no need to apologize. You weren't sorry. Then you're protecting your family. And he just kind of we've already touched on this explains. Jimmy, no, you wouldn't be who you are today. If you hadn't pushed me out that one dawn, I wouldn't be what I am whatever I am if they had happened. And it's like he's alluding that Jamie is going to have a bigger part in the great war. Because Jane is like why didn't you tell them? What happened and Bram was like, well, you know, if they killed you wouldn't be able to help us. So I don't know what James will be and those. But he plays a big part for for brain to keep his mouth shut about. What happened when you guys think? Oh, sorry. Unas you say, yeah, I think what he wouldn't be alive today. If you know he wouldn't be alive in the they wanna cap them. If he wasn't gonna play a huge part in it. So I think from like, I don't know maybe just like a strategic standpoint, you just kinda keep his mouth shut. You know, what I mean, just everybody the, you know, I know what you're doing. And I'm gonna pretend like, you know, I forgive you in all the stuff, and we're gonna have these come to Jesus moments. But really, I just need you to stay alive. Just until this next episode. And then I'm gonna take you out. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with that. I think it's a recompense for brand. Like that Jamie. Does this like he owes brand, you know? So maybe this is just a moment for Jamie makeup for all of the wrongs that he did. And that's what I'm noticing is the theme so far for the season is it's all about redemption and people trying to right? Those wrongs in the past. And now we're gonna talk about it more later on. But but yeah, like, it's just a recommence for for Jamie's passan's to do this which which would be good. And if it means that he you know, has to die heroin to be able to to win the war and end to to win the battle than than so be it. But that's how I feel about. It makes sense. Yeah. I feel like Jamie does play a huge part in this. Whether he survives the battle. I'm not sure are no I have my theory about him in, sir. Say him taken out. Sorry. So he might live beyond this episode. But he's definitely a. Character in this, quote, unquote, great war. So I wasn't brand. You know, Joe me asked, you know, what happens afterwards brand girls had, you know, there is an afterwards master referring to Jamie or referring to the fact that none of the most five so that will be interesting to see we jumping onto the next scene. We have the Lancaster brothers back in winter, Phil still despised. Nobody trusts them between you know, Jamie's terrible pass in Tyrian. Just make a mistake after mistake. They're just not welcomed. So cute, and he just I don't know tearing my favorite because I'm a little person to get Trump to knows. When you send he's just buys them like camping everything he did was just because he's misunderstood in little. Right. Poor guy. They have to have a little discussion. So I know there's a lot of speculation online about whether or not survey was pregnant in Jamie confirms at least from where he can confirm that survey is indeed pregnant, but old if he always knows how to take the truth to lie. So she used that little green of humanity in herself to try to convince Tyrian that she really was going to bring this army up north run reality. She was planning on screwing all of them over. Have you seen that theories online that year on get her pregnant or might be the one that her baby? If she's if she does get pregnant, I mean, we don't even know she's pregnant emergency minister we're talking about here. But if she does end up pregnant that the baby is likely, you're on have you heard any of those varies because I've been seeing that on I've seen people trying to say that they would try that. She would try to pin her pregnancy Jamie on your on. But I personally haven't seen anyone se. It was your on's. Although ultimately, I feel like this is all going to be mute a moot. Because according to the prophecy, sir sees supposed to have any more kids. So if this baby if she does carry the full term, I honestly don't think that baby is going to be born alive. So that's just my take on things. Just offer the prophecy. And I will say the show runners have been pretty consistent as far as following that. Or they wouldn't have included that in in season five bright, right? So yeah, either she's not pregnant or she won't be able to. She won't have the baby one of the other. It's all about that. Prophecy all about that prophecy may. Give back to the problem. I mean, this whole show I feel like is is woven through prophecies. So go ahead. Ashleigh say, well, yeah, it's a fantasy show. That's all fancy is just prophecies. Or you said I I mean, she's probably not pregnant in the way where she might have been, but she really isn't anymore in my mind. That's the way it goes like us. You know, when you say, she is the truth until ally pregnant, okay, I was kind of we've all been kind to pregnant before. I haven't. But. Okay. People have pregnant. But I don't think been kind of pregnant I'm just for you. So it goes in their little conversation. They kind of talk about dying at winner fell. And it's like a callback to season two during that big battle. When Tyrian was going to be in the vanguard, and he said during the drinking game, you know, always pictured myself dying in my own bed at the age of eighty with the belly full Wyan girls. Math around my bleep. Serviceman hard this season lake. You guys are doing these throwbacks to because he said that in season one seems to on the eve of the battle. I don't think there was another battle that he had to fight that tie. What had forced them to fight? It made him growing the vanguard, which is basically upfront. So he knew he was gonna die that night that the following day. So he just kind of drink with the Cheyenne Braun and just told them like I'm gonna with you know, a girl in bed with me. I feel like I feel like he had said that before though. He said he was at a doughnut episode. It was like what we'll know now. I know you're right. He did say doing that. But I feel like he's said that sentiment before he's I mean how how. I'm starting mentioned, you know, giving him the service of several times. Yeah. I'm with it. Me out for. So, you know, it's funny that, you know, Jamie's probably heard this enough time. He was quoting it. So. A few times before. And then I'm and also says he takes comfort in knowing that, sir. Say won't be able to kill him in wonderful. About that. She. He's he's coming for you. Let me kind of funny little line about we'll maybe a festive. I've this. I'll go down the Qian's Landy and repair part myself rip up Sirsi. So maybe like a cheeky little reference to the Vallon car prophecy that hard little brother will end up killing her. I'm not sure that's what they meant by that. But I thought it was a little funny moment. So yeah, Jamie is talking to Tyrian. He gets distracted thinkings destructive. Oh. Because that. Seems like six three I'll put that out there. She wa. She doi-. Yeah. Blonde tall. Just become a night. Not quite. Not quite. Oh, yeah. But I mean, she's nightly. I'm yes. Marion kind of Iino he spots brand training with pod. And he kind of has little small talk. And he's like oh pods. Come a long, way and brands light. And he's like, yes, I hear that you're going to be leading the left-wing and brands. And then on top of bending her and brands like wait a second. We have never had a conversation Lassus on without you, install to me, not once and James, I didn't want me to insult you and pre Engels. No, Jimmy goes good. It's cute little bands her back, and for I don't know that was like me them like outright flirting in my mind. Let it was definitely flirting we've seen for four between brain bran and Jamie. So this is you know, them reuniting once again, and we're we're seeing the flirtation research question is is Brian going gonna bite you know, 'cause we all wanted to ship Brown and didn't quite happen. And now we kind of have a third wheel with torment because he's got is for her and his head daggers for her friends in it. And it doesn't look like he's that much of a fan of Jamie. It'll be interesting to see how that or this whole love triangle perfect world Brienne, which just have a threesome like one have both. Why why make them that's kind of like why make them choose? But six minutes left. She needs to get with it jeeze pick somebody everything needs to happen. Now. I don't have time for this. Will they roll date thing got a adult prepare for? Directly getting at some point in time this up the door nets areas. But it does it back into that moment outside of their flirting. Jamie has a great respect for Brad. And you know, four or five seasons ago. Jamie never serve underneath own woman. Definitely not underneath anyone in general. But it just shows how much change that. He's offering his services and saying, hey, I want to serve under you. So that Lisi. After she saved his life. Two. But you know, once again, she's change Jamie has matured he's not this airgun aide whole that he used to be he's humbled himself. Takes having your hand cut to take a piece of that mobile. Yes. Or pigeon pie. So we have another pairing. So this time it's singing and dinghy. So initially when Danny up was like, hey gro. Can I talk about go? But no Danny decided to take a different route. She's trying to butter up Santa again. And she's just saying like, you know, she's she's being softer. She's taking a softer approach. So she kinda ties get common ground with Santa. You know, they kinda brought on the fact that they have complicated families on the fact that they're women leading men in than on their love of John. So Santa, and we have a moment in Santa says like initially, you know, I didn't trust you because I feel like you're manipulating my brother and men do stupid things in Don explains. The him. I, you know, who who nippy lated whom you know, I'm supposed to be taking the iron throne, and I'm up here fighting John snow's war. So you know, it wasn't. It wasn't me that manipulated him. It was the other way around because I trust them and she wants his cute little lion. Kind of like a little drogue R jogo reference. She says, I'm he'll because I love your brother, and and I trust. And I know he's truest word. He's the circa men in my life that I can say that about insana ask who was the first and she says someone taller. People thought on that that she was throwing shade towards John snow's height. People were like what's wrong with people are. One of my friends he's like five seven or five eight and he's like, she is she's being hightest like shoes hike discrimination. And I mean, but the show does a lot of shots John's height. They did it last week when Arias at I thought you were taller and then seen since last season. When Jerry I my Johnny made a joke about his height. So everybody's going in on John's high like leave them alone. He's still fine. It's not our fault that Drago like six three. A monstrous, man. So they kind of have a little moment. And at some point while they're bonding Danny like put her hand over sunsets. And that was like all my guys going to Brady others hair tonight. But then sonza as the one question that's going to make Danny cold. She says so what about the north? I love this. I love that, you know, at the end of the day signs in she's another character that has matured over several seasons that you know, she is for her people. She is four winter fell and she's concerned about the community. And I think that that it's a really noble trait in character that we've seen grown in sons over over the years because she used to be very I mean. I mean, no, very selfish person, very self-centered. It was all about her truth be told at think because of her selfishness. That's why Ned stark died. So I think, you know, sounds really become a chore, and I like the fact that she kind of softened up a little bit in this conversation because I thought too I thought they about to get into it. But she did take us off to reproach. And she's she's really mature really shown herself as as a noble person joy. Yeah. Agreed. Agreed. So yeah. Because of that that little comment about the north Danny withdraws that hands. And it's backed having tension select hope at some point during the season, they come to a resolution 'cause you know as much as we love cat fights. I don't wanna say too powerful women that we all love is. Adding to that narrative that that's what women do what what is difficult about this show, which it's easier to report on the negative stuff and get clicks and Embi controversial. Because obviously the last two seasons ago people were really angry about the way the women were depicted in the series, but this last season in really in the past this season now and then the past season, I've noticed that women are the rulers on this like women are in prominent roles women are taking charge. And everybody are subservient in some respect to the women of the show. So I think that needs to be aknowledged some I don't see many articles in in takeaways on the web about how prominent the women are in their roles, and I hope that we have more of those conversations, but it's been completely like a one eighty turnaround from how the women were treated in the previous seasons to how the women are, you know, rulers in authority figures in these past couple of seasons. So that's really important to acknowledge noticed like in a certain way because the show has done such a great transition bringing these women into these prominent places a power that night. You don't even realize like, oh, if you want something done on this show, you gotta find a chick do it. You know, what I mean like it was such a smooth transition into like women in power. It's like it's beautifully. Really? Agreed agreed. Yeah. So we go actually they're the ladies are actually interrupted by the Maistre they have someone coming in. And it's an are. I mean, it's not Jamie's boy Jamie's on a fan of this, man. But he's in the bed. And this is something I didn't expect when one walks into the room sunset gets really emotional. And while I know they've been through a lot together. There was I I kind of like less chip-in them a little bit. Like, I was like what's happening. Oh, go ahead. Like little grimmer in both of their eyes. And I wasn't sure I've just Bentham so much together. And then they're seeing whether after a long absence, but I was like what's going on. I think I think it's exactly what you just said. I don't think there's anything remanded going on between these two. And quite frankly, if they go that route, that's that to me, I think that there I think it's very shortsighted. After like, it's lazy like there's other ways to create a great romance with sonza and another character and not use theon as bait. I think it was the post traumatic stress and just the relief of them seeing one another because it could have been they didn't know that they were alive. Theon probably didn't know it was still alive and vice versa. And they were just so thrilled to see each other because Ramsey took them through it. So if I had endured the kind of torture that Ramsey did two two sons in theon, and then saw the other victim that went through that trauma to I would be. Racing them in hugging them tight and probably not wanting to let go so I see it really is a romantic thing. I just think it's more of a emotional side of a release of relief, non okay, we have made it. We are here we survived in in that. That's the end of it. Okay. Yeah. I saw that. But then I was just laying already have like a unique and a woman together Massana angry worm. So we don't need another couple like that on the show. So I'm what? It. I have a boo don't get me wrong. Like. You know, we're not saying to you know. I just I don't want it. I don't want them to ship them to or put them together. I just feel like that's not oh. Oh, no. It was it feels like it's just obvious. Like, oh, yeah. They've been through it together. And they went through all of this trauma. And you know, they went through all of these adventures. Let's just go ahead and put sonza in theon together. Where and yeah, I'm not feel not no villain Oprah. You know, we'll see we'll see what they do with that. But I'm lives. You know, that's the lives. But I mean, he might be in trouble regardless because if you go back to it Yara and theon pledged themselves to Danny. So the iron born are Danny's allies, but when the-an returns to winter fell he punches himself to Sanga so a little bit more attention, but to them now, and I'm not sure deigning took that at an insult, but he'd stopped. He's not really shifting just because they're all on the same team. But to go from pledging yourself to this queens. And now you're putting yourself to the lady a wonderful. Just saying that might create a little bit attention. I also think that might theory is I don't think the on is gonna live next week or even till the end of the series because they are doing the writing is on the wall. They have nice redemptive arc and and theon is writing all of these wrongs. And we know what happens to characters show when they do this at end up dying. Whether it's going to be this Heroux, death or this self sacrifice sacrificial lamb moment. There's going to be something where the on is going to pay for his sins in it's going to be in depth in. That's like that is going to be the ultimate sacrifice that he will make for being fully redemptive in his story. So I don't know. I I don't think he's gonna live very much longer. Yeah. What is dead by never dies? You know? We'll see, but we kind of move on to the the winter feld courtyard and this scene actually like got me a little motion. So Gili Gili returns. We will she's been at winter fell. But we see Gillian for for the first time on screen this season. And she actually speaking of women lead in she kinda has taken on a leadership role as far as directing the women in children to the crypts on people were to go so Gillies doing her thing. And then this to grow walks up to Davos, and he's, you know, handing out soup, and Tom people, you know, where they're assigned a little girl goes where should I go, and she's like both my brothers are soldiers. I wanna fight too. Like, oh, shoot so cute. And if you notice on like we were talking about call Bax on our last episode, there's another comback the little girl has like a scar. It is an grains gray scale, but it's like a scar. Like burn across her face. And it kind of reminds you of Charene. And so, you know, Davos, kinda shares his with her and she says she wants to fight, and he kinda smiles, and you can tell he's thinking about Charene, and then Gerry walks up, and she said, no, no, we need you in the corruption can protect us in there. So a little girl goes, okay? You know, I'll stay with you. And you can tell that Gilly was also they can shooting because for these characters were close to that girl Charene top both Davos and guilty. How to read I don't think they ever spoken about it to each other. But you can tell him that moment they're thinking of that little girl. So I was just like oh. A little moment breaks, my heart mushroom, poor, Sherry, let's hope this little girl survives. Yeah. And not go out the way shearing. There's no, no, Sandra. So we should be good. So also in the courtyard. It's the return of the night's watch in torment so torment shows up at shows up this Ed the Lord commander of the night's watch. You know, John's happy to see them. He goes to hug to monitor steps that hug. He just likes snatches. Torma mop, and he's like off a little crowds or happy to see you. And they kinda catch up and he tells them the Nike coming they'll be here by morning. So, you know, they're gearing up for battle. But of course, is not even worried about that the first thing he says is is the big woman around. She's personally man, he is so thirsty. The big woman still here. He he wants that one. But. Thinks about her night and day. That reich. I don't know. What is the equivalent will? They didn't have photographs. But so. After line in his room or something like Desi sketches. He newsroom. Arizona's were done by Reich short moron. This is so nasty. Right along. So we now know that the the arm of Denver night king are on their way. So there in full drive making preparations throw, John, there's this voice over usually don't do voice Delaware's. But they do this cool little voice over with John Saint our enemy doesn't tire? He doesn't doesn't stop doesn't funeral. And they're in this like war war room. This war council. They're trying to figure everything out, and I'm just throwing this out there. So I've noticed a lot online that people were saying that the night came may not be evil. Not sure where that's coming from. But they're like, you know, we don't we don't know his backstory, we don't know what he wants Howdy. No, no. How did you know that he's really Ingram? Maybe he just wants to take his land back. It could be, you know, like, the Americans taken, you know, America's back, you know. So, you know, could not be evil, but brand kind of takes that theory and throws it out the window, no pun intended. And he kinda says like the night king is coming for me. And they're like, well why coming for you because he wants an endless night. And he, you know, I'm this. He wants a race this world. And I'm it's memory. So that doesn't sound like somebody that is an evil to me. So I think that berry is not gonna hold water. So they kind of touch on the fact that the Nike has tried this before he's tried to kill other three. I'd ravens. So this is something that has been his mission. And then we kind of figure out that brand is the Nike and GPS. I saw you tweet that. So if you remember from on season six brand have basically had a vision where the night king touched him, and he ended up having a physical, Mark. And that's how they got into the where would tree, but the Nike has away. He always knows where brand is. So he's on a mission to take brand out in. You know, Sam has really good line where he says, you know, that's kind of what makes us human. The fact that we have these numbers. That's everyone's biggest fear to be forgotten. So they make this plan brand is going to be in the gods. Would he's going to lure the night king to him. They're going to have the dragons nearby. We don't know what destroys the night king. But the target is a Nike because they can't defeat the whites. The whites are dead. You can't really kill them. They're there. They'll never stop there. Just these on creatures the only take them out to take out their leader. So they're going to try to take them out with jagged fire, but we don't know if that actually works. So you know, they need someone to guard brand. And of course, my man's theon. He steps up. He says, I'll do it. You know, I took winter fell from you. Now, I'm going to defend you. So you know, you know, you were saying Jamie that he may not. Yeah. Probably gonna die in the gods. Good for you know. Somebody's bone guy next week. That's all I'm saying. I don't want anyone to. So the kind of you know, give out assignments. So, you know, Dan's gonna be skins me with brand and the guards with the rest of the iron borne Davos is going to be up front for center in front of the castle laws in the trenches. Probably what the sallied basically stopping the dead from coming in interior, and is going to be sent to the crypts. So this is kind of where you see that doing has forgiven -tarian. She says, you know, you're too valuable. I can't afford to lose you. If we survive this. So you need to go into Crips. But here's the thing. So can we just touch real quick on the crypts theory? Have you guys heard about this? No, I don't game thrones through its sounds weird. I just walked. So there's this theory floating around. So the Nike has obviously has power over the dead while Where'd you bury the dead in a crypt. So the Mary that's going around online is that the night king is going to infiltrate winter fell. And he's going to raise the dead from the crypts as in Ned Sark is gonna get up Liana stark is, you know, the place where you more. So is probably the place where they're going to be targeted because debt are going to rise. I think it'd be cold. I mean, I don't wanna see Ned coming back as his on B. So I hope not. But that's a theory. That's going around that you know, the Nike is going to rise. The, you know, the the the dead the fallen kings and queens of what are from the dead and the attack people in the you know, what I'm just going to say, I think this might be on point. And the only reason I'm willing to back. It up is when they had the premiere of game of thrones in New York everybody was there all the old cast members were there. So I don't know. I mean, it could have just been hey, let's just bring everybody that's been a part of this whole project from season one to be a part of this premier. But then again, like why would they invite all cast members to a movie premiere and they been around for several seasons. So it maybe we will see an appearance by 'cause I believe that gosh forgot the actor's name that played knits start on. Being he was he was that on being. Yes. Yes. Sean bean diet in every movie. That just shows all these snippets of Sean bean. Yeah. Yeah. They're like, yeah. I think maybe there's the theory is onto something. Of course. I am only basing this offer will be premier not any actual. But but maybe maybe they're onto something with that. Maybe I will raise you up one Jason momoa has been around for almost everything. And he died in seems in one the Mon. With the Mon time. That's true. That's true. But that man's always like I'm like he died like seventeen years ago. How is he still part of the fan? I love him. But he's he's literally always around old guy in highschool. The hangs. Hey, that's I'm a me. Hang around with me, all you want. All right. So we. Is the idea than that by killing the night king? It's almost like killing the head them Yair that once you kill him everybody else and then actually happened season seven when when they were going to be on the water that little party won't be on the wall with John. And there was a bunch of whites. They took out the white Walker in all the whites like fell like they all died. So yeah, right. That's okay. You you take out the the head of the snake and everything else will die. As as the war cancels, wrapping up. Once again, he tried to talk to John John's like art gotta go. So he's been avoiding this chick all episode. And so we move onto another scene so Masan day, and is in, you know, in the one of the courtyards winter fell, and she kinda approaches these two little kids and their dirty, by the way, but she approaches them and they run away from her. And I was like excuse me like. Kind of caused back to what we were talking about on the last podcast. The fact that northerners have never seen a person of color, and it kinda and onto the fact that they're foreigners and they're they're coming along with this invading Queen. So they're mistrustful in so great were and comes along. And he tells her, you know, went to Neri's takes her thrown. There will be no place for us here. And in kind of touches on the cultures of west rose, Danny earth. He's not any miss Sunday in grey, worm their from they're not from Esso's there from you know, an area called the southern isles. So this is basically predominantly all the people the black people where they live and then Morales, and then I'm actually technically Masan days from Naf, that's which is to the east of the summer isles. And there's actually another continent. That's not even on the maps. That's where the majority I will call it Africa. But it's forever reason. It's not covered the show. But I believe they're going to touch it in the in the prequel because they they've I think like most of the cast and the prequel is black. So they'll touch on that later, but basically gray ones like, hey, girl. Let's get out of here. The person on Twitter at said how in the hell is Musawi keeping up that washing go in that Cole brittle. Match for the wind babies. A good point. I'm like how does she keep that here? Oh, I just think she was olive oil. That's what I think. But so basically they make this plan. And this is like this is what I think one of them is going to die because whenever you make plans the never panned out. Somebody was going to die. So they have this great line where on they talk about going back to Naf and Masan day saying, my people are peaceful leeann protect ourselves. And then, you know, grabble retorts will my people are not peaceful, and we will protect you. And I was just like oh. Like. Lack rare out. I love just the best somebody, please find me a grey worm. Please I need that in my life. Are you now? Great worm with the right? If we could make or. Okay. I'm going to find a way when I do get married. One day. I'm gonna find a way to work that you know, that line and peace will be peaceful into my marriage vows, I'm telling you. It's happening. Listen, the game of thrones theme song is going to be on. Claim that right now playmate. So yes. So those to have a little moment. And then we kind of move on. So night has come. And we have the the night's watch out on the ramparts like they didn't go days. So we have had we have John, and we have SAM's. So see him ask him ask John? You know? Did you tell Danny a-? And clearly he hasn't because my man has been voiding his girl all episode. He has not been answering his calls. He didn't ghosted her. Speaking of ghost. We finally get to see. Loads kim. All this money on these CGI dragons like I love the dragons. But like, my heart are the dire wolves, and we only have two of them left. So like, can we please put a budget this season that gave us more goes? So we need those. And then, you know, they all get to talk and again, so I'm John suggests to Sam that he should go in the crypts. And since like, you put them respect on my name do get the I'm the one that was the first call a white Walker. I killed and ED's like thenn one one. Then I saved. Golly. Saw considerable amount of. You know, I survived the first man, I'm not a virgin like king. Just like, I'm the man. So. Spam or not cut out with this. I'm sorry. I wish Nate respective as you can go ahead and work with Henry Louis gates on fine roots as a reporter. You're great with. I am at agrees. He's like, you know, you're are great hero eft. We're after. So, you know, the kind of reminisce about their time the night's watch. And the, you know, the, you know Sam says, you know, I can remember us, you know, look at us now, and he thinks about, you know, back in the day with John Sam Krant, good old grant and pip how the team, and, you know, unfortunately Greenwich pip were killed in the battle for the wall. But three of them are still left. So, you know, they're watching sensually begins again. So thought was cute little call back 'cause I actually really I mean pip he was okay. But when grand was killed by the giant in season sicker. She's inside cyber she's in six a season five when Gren was killed by the giant like, I kind of broke my heart. You know, when they have that great moment, where they you know, they say they're the night's watch. I guess was code and he rows everybody up to fight. This giant dragon? And then you find that at the end of the episode. I was just like all. So. Yeah, that that moment with them. And I this is actually one of my favorite parts of the episode drinking. Drinking so Jamie, interior. And they're back in the great hall. They're getting warm by the fireplace. You know, kind of settling in for their big night ahead. Remember the last time they were in winter fell and they referred to themselves as the golden line and the drunken hormoner. I tweet I was like that should be banned. Like, you know that right? Like everyone's going to start wearing the drive hormone. Or sure agrees. Somebody do that somebody on Oetzi get that out there. So. Says he misses the old days when things were simple. Jamie's like things were never simple ice sleep with my sister. I thought that was a funny line. And Jamie says, you know, I'm no longer the Golden Lion. But you can still be the drunken hormoner in to like wanna be a player. No more so much reminisce about that moment and then hot brand come in. So they offer them during nearly. Nearly nothing about how pod is kinda put on some pounds. What's going on with his his physique? Little bit puffier has been eating rations. Little thing. I don't know. I didn't know this. Brienne works, and they offer them drinks brands, like no, you cannot drink on the eve battle and they're like come on brands like okay? Half a Cup. And then like Tyrian like a smart as he pours his bigger Cup for pods. They settle and brands like all right. We're not. So, you know, they're all drinking and talking and then walks in Davos, and they're like, hey, da does he want to drink good? And then, of course, our favorite character this episode torment walks in and he's like Strutton his staff walking in. He kinda like sizes, Jamie. And he like pulled up a chair he gets his drink. And he's just like you thought here, you're like the kings thing, but they call me they call him the giants Spain, and then he of goes into this completely inappropriate story about sighing giant. And then getting in bed with his wife, and he liked breastfed for three months apparently. And that's why he's so strong like if that's not apply for breastfeeding. I don't know what is. I wonder what the motivation was there. Like, what was torment trying to do to that moment? Just. I just. And then steering Damian Isla like sucked down there draft. Why nickname creepy all around? But I loved it. Yeah. And then he kind of has this woman were three any he like when he first walks up and he's like last night on earth, right? So, you know, we probably won't be here. Tomorrow. Better credit? He's consistent. He's really consistent and he's determined. So it's just it's Bruins hall. He's gonna wear her. He's run. He's gonna wear her down. I promise you she's gonna give into him and then began so like awkward. She's like, I'm glad you're here. Like, not not like, I'm glad provided the battle. And you're here to fight with them. Choosing. So I love how Prieta just festered. Festered on. She's just like shouldn't even know what to do. 'cause she's she does not use to this attention for answers. She's just like, okay. So speaking of people aren't gonna gather so the hound and Arya up on the ramparts, and they're kinda sharing a wine skin kind of talking so their hands. I could never get you to shut to shut up. And now you're like a mute. So are not not changed. And she's just says, you know, why are you here? You don't ever fight for anyone but yourself, and they kind of have a moment and hound says why fought for you didn't. I was like, oh, and then Barrick walks up, and they kind of have the funny exchange where he's like, hey, sorry about how things ended up last time and down was like she was on your on your looks, right? And are those? Yeah. Briefly. So she takes off the roads. And then they all start drinking again Arias like, you know, what I got by the things to do. I'm not by the semi last hours with you guys. And she goes on to find your cell phone of her own so great segue into aria in Jeonju. That really hot seeing that we were talking about before we're gonna get into that. Now. So. So, you know, Arias shooting her little errors in gender walk San they kind of have this little forthing moment. And she asked him, you know, what the Redmond want from you. So he kinda breaks down his traumatic first time he tells her she stripped me down she tied to the bed and she put on me. So so she was like, well, why did she want your blood? Like, why does she want your? Why does she do that? And she reveals to her that he is the best restart of Raba breath EM. So even her face, you kind of like, whoa. But she kind of she has a goal in mind. Just doesn't even touch on that she asked him about his body count. She's like, you know, how many girls have you been with? And he's like, I don't know. She's like, you know, like twenty. Talks. It's like it's how to she just she's bad ass when it comes flirting everything, you know, hundred percent, she's grown a lot. So, you know, even speaking, where's she getting out with this? It's like almost like she was trying to make sure that he was experienced enough for her. Because in that moment, she kinda like. Rab them, and they start making on and they start taking off clothes, and I see like Mason side like. And like we touched on this last week. Jamie mentioned, you know, this is a little strange arm arial was swamped young when she first started the series is kind of weird seeing her getting with gender weird thing. I'm really glad that they took liberties and deciding not to show full boob that which is been and mazing only is twenty two years old. So she is of age, but I don't run comfortable saying her like that in even the side boob. Just freaked me out. I was just like covering my eyes like child. But yeah, it just proving off and actually you mentioned that. So when the seem scripts surfing new Turner was the first one to read the script. So she immediately called Macy Williams and said, hey, guess what's happening? You're about that you're going to sleep gender. And she was like, nah, it's a joke. Like apparently dig new ice and David Bain off they play pranks on the cast all the time. So she thought initially it was a joke role turns out Resona joke. It was really happening. So the contract figured out. You know, like the fried bid how how naked she was going to be. Fried and that even the actor that gender Dempsey. He said he was uncomfortable. He said it was a word for him. Because what he met me? See she was eleven. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, he's he's ten years older. So at this point this was like two years, she's twenty she shot the scene and heaves it like thirty thirty one. So he's like watched goal grow up, and he has to do like a sexy with our so. Yeah. It was a little awkward, but all this out of everything that we were like, oh, this is a hot seat of super excited. I feel gross. I sorry guys. But it is kind of I will say it is a callback to season one. Remember what I'm Robert and Ned we're talking in the crypts. They said. I have a daughter or you know, I have a son you have a daughter. Let's join our houses. So this in a way is kinda like that, you know, aria engendre their houses are joining. So I thought that was interesting. Those two together. I, you know, me I do I'm so I just wanted to point out even though it's kind of dark the difference between some sun Arias journeys Sants. First time was not pleasant at Allston says, what night was horrible. She was not in control, you know, her control. She was raped. Her control was taken from whereas aria had four control the situation. This was hard to vision. She's taking control you take off your pants. I'm getting on top of you. So I just thought that the parallel between these two sisters different journeys, even that even just them talking about their first time sounds not going to be able to say this happen are you can on. So I just kind of I don't know why my my head went to that. But I was like their first time. We're totally different. It's and then just speaking on our Ingelin if you think about it's Arias ever been a normal kid. She's all she been basically this. Murder Sassan since she was like a scheming jour-. And this is like the one time that you see her kind of taken herself back. She's not know anymore. She's aria, and she's a normal teenage thing, you know, she's she's, you know, I guess it's not normal. But she's essentially experience. I don't know. I I was a late bloomer, but she was. But basically, she's she's kind of fish. And she getting it in. At this point. And the story about the aria was also eleven in the series ten or eleven so she's about twenty so she's of age. So so we're going to be around for that awkward moment. Because now I felt like yucky. So we're going back to the great homeowner still drinking in tune kinda has this great line where he says there was a point in time. We were off writing against the Starks and now we're defending their castle. What's pretty cool, and they kind of all reminisce on all the battles, they survive. So Jamie survived a seizure pike in he filled in the battle of the whispering. Word. Near you and serve and Davos by the battle of the blackwater. Davos survived the battle of the bastards. So they're all kind of like they've gone through serious moments and the survive. So, you know, maybe those arrivers one and talking about maybe for they start talking about nights and night heard, and you know, torment balloon a man from beyond the wall. He doesn't know anything about the hierarchy or or the culture the patriarchy of the seven kingdoms. So he was like, wait. You're not a night to bran, no, women aren't nights. And like after dish in you know, if I are paying I'd not you ten times over, you know, with my big sword. So then. I think for ginger, so I'm with it for, you know, kinda one up some, and he was like, you know, stupid. You don't have to be king the night someone one night can night somebody and I'll prove it kind of starts off as a joke. He's like up brands like bring it up, and what turns out to kind of be like a funny moment turned to something so serious. Everyone turns around and kind of like this really happening Bryanne gets down on her knees. And we all start crying as Jamie nights. I bring and of the seven kingdoms, and I like, I'm the crime out like it was just like how often do you see character progressive moment for? Yeah. For for the story for the series really for for what's going on in west row. So I loved it. I really love that moment. Everybody was like so excited on Twitter to the tweet Razi. I actually this morning because I thought about this morning. You never run pick. Scher of Ellen Degeneres, which she gets the congressional medal of honor. And she's all teary eye. When Obama puts it around her neck like that was like shoes. Happy and like there's like a slow going and Brian smile ear to England spree Henderson smell that much. It was just like touching to see and the actress Gwendolyn Christie's, you know, they asked her what is her favorite scene to shoot the entire series. She said it was a scene. It even with her. Yeah. She earned it. She's way too much. She's earned it. Yeah. So yes, sir. We're gonna hear that name more often. Any Jamie Umbrian have become tree? If you think about Jimmy brand had become true nights. You know, everything that once for they they are both that. So it was just a beautiful moment. I loved it. And I'm just happy that we got them moment 'cause it was sorely needed. So we're going to move on to literally Anna, our our homegirl little bit. She's in the courtyard with Giora and their argument about whether or not she should fight. She is determined. She's like, I'm fight. Like, y'all ain't gonna try to Scott this. Right. She's like asset. What I said. I'm going to fight you need to tell me nothing. Deuces cousin fro she walked off. And Sam walks up to Giora, and they have a moment. He kind of has this moment where he tells him, you know, your father taught me how to be a man, and he taught me what's right? And this is right. And he hands him heart Spain, which is SAM's family sword of Valerian seal. So Giora kinda gets his in a way, you know, how his father jor took away long call and John while he kinda gets that stored back in a way, he gets heart Spain. So I know it's gonna come in hand because Lawrence here's one of the few things can go white Walker. So let's let's hope dress vives battle. So we'll see we'll see. We kind of go back to drinking on the great hall. Let's hear song. And then pod totally has this like Lord of the rings Pippin moment. I loved it. Like, if you remember the return of the king when Pippin singing that great song to the steward of Gondar like has his beautiful dog voice. And it turns out not only can put it down in the bedroom. But you can sing too. He he can reassume. I'm waiting for that mix tape in. Got chat. Now, we just need pod on the track. So you know during this montage. He's singing the song called Jenny of old stones which is brings through for two in the books. And it's kind of it's perfectly with the episode because it's about target Indian prince and a forbidden love, and he gives up his crown which was a war. So I don't know if that's for Shad rang Dong was very fitting and as singing that end Djelic voice. The kind of have this montage of characters, you know, on their last night before this great battle. So we have Sam Gillian little Sam wack. She looks like a toddler for once in bed. Was begging for like six years. So we have little say him, and Gary and say off Tabatha audience on kinda share nut moment, there's like sipping soup and they're looking at each other. We're going to say that just because they're really good friends for now. Aryans under in bed or sacks of of of hang out what they were laying on. But they they're post coitus their posts that you know, she's kinda shit. He's knocked out. Apparently, she put it down, and she's just kind of laying. I'm Nick flimsy. So she has is open because she's taking about the battle and finding great worm. Oh my God. They have that last farewell long-lasting kiss. And I'm just sitting there like somebody's dying. And then you know, the last scene is juror on horseback. He's looking out for the white walkers, and then transition to John and the quips. So this entire episode Jonah's been avoiding Danny like the gray scale like the plague he refuses to talk to her and he's very short with her standing before on stark statue, Danny approaches. And she goes who is she. So this is actually a wonderful segue for John coming. Oh, that's Liana stark. And then do any kind of spins the Papa Glenda that Robert brassy and put out there. You know, it's crazy how my brother was this respected, man. And did all these great things, but he raped her and. Don, Don, John, correct, sir. And says, no they loved each other. They actually got married in secret. They had a baby boy he would have been killed by rod a brat Theun. So on her deathbed Liana Mead net. Stark the baby and took him to wonder foul. And that's me. That's so and we talked about this on the last episode. You know, I wasn't sure how dinghy was gonna react. And she reacted. Exactly how I thought. She was gonna react. She was so upset about him in the rightful heir to the throne. She didn't care that they were related like who cares? I don't care that you're my nephew. But you have a better client thrown than me. And it's like come on Danny like, really like, that's your focus, but goes back to what a million Clark for every you know, you think about it do entire purpose since the beginning of the first episode of season one once she got Nazis one. But once she got her episode one once you got our power back from series, her old has been that I thrown from earth from her her entire existence has been about either winning her brother's thrown back or after his death. It was hurt on. So the last her Garin she's end all the she's gonna sit on that throne. And now you have. Her boyfriend saying, nah, that's my role. So. They don't really get to address it. Because as soon as I start getting into it. You know, Dan, even says like like we talked about last week John kinda accepts the information. Pretty well. He doesn't question it. Whereas Danny saying how this is true. Like, your brother, the only ones that know about this. How convenient and John's like, no, it's true. It's true. And before they can address it the horns of war go off. So they can't even talk about it. They have to get ready for war. So, you know, this is when the great war begins, and as I said, it all my life tweet winter fill you in danger girl gonna done, but I say that. Oh out there actually have been saying season one because I feel like once he dies everyone. I don't know. It's just that character. That's that's gotta go. I love him to death. But he's just he he really just he's the one. He's the one is the sacrificial stole. Yeah. Miami. Only one that you'll be okay, you'll be sad enough to be like. You know? I don't want. What do you think? Jamie. Who do you think is gonna die? I. Well, I know for fact, I shouldn't say for fact, because I really don't know. I feel very confident that the on will die next week just because of this whole redemptive arc thing. And we we don't really have a need for theon. Right. Like, you know, he's done dirt. He's he's going to fight in the great war, and he'll be that sacrafice lamb. So I think he's going to definitely die if not next week but before the end of the season. It's I don't know as far as anybody else. Like, I don't have any guesses if we follow the prophecies than obviously Sarah sees someone who is vulnerable to to death in in. Maybe even Jamie, Lancaster, I feel like probably what the writers may be doing is paying some sort of penance for all of the sins of what some of these characters done in the past in doing that through death. So we know the most noblest characters in the characters with the best integrity. That's not always the case Ned stark. I think that they're not going to suffer at the same fate that some of these other characters in that that could include the Lancaster family. I mean that could include Tyrian as well, or we we may see something else with some of the other characters even though you said that like it's normal for the tar Garin to engage in incest. I feel. It's just weird to see that kind of reaction from Danny like, you're sleeping with your nephew. This whole time. You realize that and not once did she feel disgusted or weird or that was offputting? That ironed Brown. I will touch on this. I don't think it was. It was brief from sorry. Biffi touchdown on the show. You know, have a Sears was kind of creep with her and very affectionate towards her. Because in the Brooks grew up believing that she would end up marrying for series. For the nephew of a big deal. Comparisons of in your brother. So I think it's ingrained in her about incest. Just isn't that big of a deal an good? So once again infamous was upset about it Daming has an eye on one thing. And that's thrown. So who cares us? She's you know, smashed interview. You know, it's their own. She's concerned about on. That's as far as my predictions for death. I agree with the unanimous properly die when Terry today. I will I it. So I would not that evil pigs that since that's not happening. I will not allow it. There's not pass. I think even though, you know, as as you said people have done transgressions don't get there like Justice. But I think some innocence will die too in my money was on grey worm even though I don't want it to. Such the obvious play though. Like, I don't think they're going to do that. I think they're going to pick somebody else that we love. Don't wanna make love him. So mark. I feel like grey worm at something like, okay. Well, you know like. They Braemar Ray room. It's racist on the black Bryant. Blacks, whatever go him if they show, but like I just felt because they were like making plans, and they're so in love, and you can't have love and game of thrones. Like somebody has to die. So. I hope it's so you bring up the point about the prequel in how we're going to go back into the summer isles. Maybe we will see a sandy in grey worm in the prequel series in NC's something going on with that storyline. So hopefully, they do keep them alive. Just so that way we can find out more about those regions of of of world. Well, I was the one that got green lit because it's like a thousand years before probably not. But I know they had like four other ones up and running some e b we might get some more summer I'll love or maybe they might do. Maybe some ancestors of Masan day and grey worm. But like, let's just us slush pry through seven God's old guys. And you know. And the drowned out all them that we pray that, you know, black love. Exists and it's real concern by even in west rose. Yes. Let's all right. I'm doing the undoing the trinity San right now. Okay. All right. Let's get to some questions that we received. So let's see let me go back into my Twitter. So at the reins and his name is how remove final touched on the fact that drogue gun looking a little bit jealous of John. And Danny from the last episode, and he kind of points out. He said, I don't Joel gone knows. I don't think let me read this again. I feel like Joel on knows as in. Joel knows that John is Gary Mikey senses. It and he's not jealous. I don't remember them ever. Letting anyone get close enough to touch them. They must sense who Jay is. So that I mean, they do they do kind of lewd two interviews that date that Dany Danny has a special connection with the dragons, some maybe they sense that John is one of the smell that targe area blood, and John right that fire going through. There wien. So you get good. I mean that makes sense. And then have one more question. It is from at 'em toes. Seconded? His name is Mon Masirah Malla. And he asked us. It's Jimmy Lancaster Zora. By now, just to give you guys what backstories so as a fly is this this character. That's a almost gonna prophecy. So as far as I was this great man, he brought a Hiba the chosen one from from the God, we're Loehr and so in order for him to defeat the white walkers or the long night, he had to forged light Brinker, which is the sword that STAN is supposedly had but in order for him to create light Brinker. He had to sacrifice so had to sacrifice his love. So he put light bringer through her heart, and she died, and then he ended up defeating the white walkers. And he's he's his prophecy is more Esso's, but he's kind of the same character as the prince that was promised they have very similar storyline. So they're probably one in the same. It's just that as ores is from the region of Esso's. Whereas the Princess that was promises from west rose. But a lot of people have noted that they feel that jhad is going to kill Danny. I guess too. Maybe infused her blood with long claws like the fire from her blooding and kill you know, the Nike ad on now. But I don't think that Jamie is or as I if anyone would be that character it or that prophecy fulfill it will be John to answer your question. So. Think about that that one they're kind of the if that does happen, but we'll see I will rise. I will right. So. Yeah. That basically wraps up the Assode next week is going to be the big battle between the living in the dead. It's supposed to be the biggest battle scene the longest battle scene instead of Matic history. So yes, even longer than Helm's deep which was like what like forty minutes or so. So we're in for it. I'm really looking forward to it. So yeah, we'll touch on that next week. Excellent. Will thank you and Jellicoe for this. Great breakdown. Thank you Ashley for joining us. And please tweet us your questions your comments use the handle at BG 'em podcast. We do have a podcast Twitter account. See us at BGN podcasts that way, we know that the listeners of this show has comments questions in we'll address them on next week's show, and we will dive right into it as we do every week. Thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule to listen to. Us and we'll see you same place. Same time next week. Absolutely. We'll see guys next week end. Don't forget to arrive to death on Sunday nights, so podcast and Lyft. See next week. Thrones, y'all.

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Writers Room: Game of Thrones' Best Episodes, Best Moments, and Yearbook Superlatives

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Writers Room: Game of Thrones' Best Episodes, Best Moments, and Yearbook Superlatives

"However, we want to welcome to a special edition of slash film daily. My name is Ben Pearson. I'm the senior writer at slash home dot com and joining me today slash film, managing editor Jacob Paul. Hello. So if this is your first time listening to podcast, you should probably know that our normal episodes consist of the slash homes. Staff members discussing the biggest entertainment news of the day. But today, we're actually doing one of our writers room episodes where we hash out some specifics about a couple of upcoming articles that were writing. So this episode is going to be devoted entirely to game of thrones. And we should say up top that we don't have any inside knowledge of what's going to happen in the eighth and final season. But we are going to spoil everything that has happened in the show up until this point basic everything really going to spoil free much of the biggest moments ever. And I it should be said that we'd be trying to hash out three separate features Ben Neilly collaborating on to go up later this week, or I guess is you're reading or listening to this. You may have read them, but we have not discussed this in Vance. You can be hearing the actual. Aw conversations as we figure out. What belongs in each of these features is so Ben what are we figuring out today? So we're gonna talk about the top ten episodes. I think is maybe what we're going to aim for ten we might end up fudging that a little bit. So the best episodes of the show, but we'll sort of tack on a season ranking and overall season ranking and see if we can agree on that. And then the moments that's the the one for me. I think that's going to be the most contentious, narrowing down the best moments in the history of game of thrones. And then also we're going to do some like yearbook superlatives like. Well, we'll get to those at the end. But I I if we even have time, but I think those first two are the ones that people are really going to want to hear about. So should we just dive in Jacob's, should we just get started roof quick? I want to hear one thing when I made my list of best moments. I have more than the necessary. I couldn't even onus down. I want your help with that best. But for best episodes. I feel I got a difficult time stretching even the ten because I feel like game with owns plays its cards. So slowly that the moment stand up more than the episodes. Do you agree on that? That is interesting. I actually have ten exact episodes here. So I was just hoping that that your decisions would align with mine perfectly. We could just publish this list as as, but I guess we'll we'll figure that out. I think I will say it was tough to find the tenth one I had nine that. I thought were pretty locked in. And then the tenth one I sort of. Yeah. It took me a little bit of time to go back through in look at you know, descriptions and stuff my wife, and I we should say to my wife, and I just finished a rewatch of the entire series. I think you not too long ago rewatch the whole thing as well. So some of the stuff is like relatively fresh in our minds. Yeah. I watch maybe a month and a half ago. So I gave him this very fresh remember episode titles. So it's able to find them pretty quickly. Nice start with a best episodes. I think we should just both list. Number one forget, which one is probably both belong on this list of matter. What would you say about that? Okay. Yeah. Interesting because I just I came to this with ten episodes. But I didn't actually order them. I just figured our joint enjoyment of the episodes would determine the ranking the number one new maverick Everett. The list, right? Oh, my number one your list and pick which one you think deserves beyond a list. No matter what. Okay. Sure, I want to start with minor absorb game with season four's lying in the rose. Which is almost entire episode is spent at Joffe breathy ins, wedding Margery Tyrell and this has so much game. Thrones so much about this show, which is putting a bunch of characters in one room with lingering threat of violence. Lingering sort of humiliation that like intrigue from everybody watching how characters interact in one corner, these kids interact this way, but in public or private the act differently. This person is is holding their tongue. This person is saying too much. It is just a phenomenal episode about the Royal court, and as the show got bigger and more fantastical in its later seasons with the bigger dragon battles and action and battle scenes lie in the row stands out as being the absolute best episode that is just purely about how Kingsland. Ending is a mess of vipers and everybody here would back stab anyone else. I don't think they ever did. A better men. That is a really good choice. It's not on my list. So I'm interested to see how this is gonna work out because I feel like you, and I are mostly on the same page when it comes to game with thrones. But I like the that we're digging sort of drilling down into the specificity of it. I I really am curious to see this whole thing ends up. So just sort of glancing over my list. I think the one that I would be maybe the most sad if it wasn't on this list is kinda it's such a it's a it's a really a tossup between three episodes for me. But I'm just going to say. Man. I'm going to say the spoils of war which is season seven episode four aria returns to winter fell in this episode. And she reunites with Sanson brand aria and Bryan have their little sparring match in the winter fell court area. John shows the nearest the cave paintings of the white walkers at dragon stone and most famously for this episode Danny jumps on drones back and torches. The Lancaster caravan as the dust Raqi horde attacks, and it's like this really sustained battle scene at the end of the episode that I think set all sorts of TV records for the most people set on fire in one scene that all sorts of crazy stuff like that. But I mean, this is that the end of the middle of season seven. And so it means I watched it the most recently pretty, you know, pretty recently end. I was just blown away all over again by this episode. I think people put a lot of stock into like the battle the bastards episodes, for example. But I think this is. On a technical level. I understand like the punishing production. Schedule of something like battle the bathrooms where it's tons of actual extras fighting around in the dirt and the muck and all of that. But from a visual perspective like the majesty of drogue on just torching all of these people and carts and all the stuff I feel like the spoils of war is like one of the highlights of the entire show for me. I agree. It's number five of my list and locked in and one that you didn't mention that. I want to mention is what makes that final battle. So special is not just magnificently staged fight from the Lancasters racking in frigging dragons, but that we are generally concerned for both sides. We do not want us to nearest I, but we also do not want to see Braun Jamie die. We the entire thing is just this balancing act between omega somebody has to lose hear and I cared deeply about both of these. Yes. Yeah. For sure are you wanna go next? Yeah. Next. I'll work it by list, number two blackwater. I think that there have been other big battle episodes in game of thrones. And this was the first one, and it's the smallest one because they didn't have the budget. They had for later seasons. But in terms of actually building the anticipation toward the battle, the quiet before the storm, the civilians and royalty waiting outside of the battle to see if they're going to be pillaged raped, or if they're gonna be okay. The quiet moments make this entire siege. So effective, and so terrifying, and it whereas other like, for example, watching the wall from from season five is a much bigger more grandiose battle, but I don't care, but most of the people doing the fighting whereas in blackwater worried about Teri, and I'm worried I'm worried about since I'm worried about the hound. I'm fascinated see how Joffrey react when he's faced with actual challenges. I wanna know we'll stand his plan work, and I love. The details beforehand the preparation like everybody waiting for the inevitable waiting for it to happen. I love Braun getting drank getting drunk and singing with the hound. I'll tell you seeing with his troops before confronting the hound and always being a fight. Like, so many of the later spectacle episodes forgot about this and season to splash water uses limitations. So well, what do you think Ben? Yeah. I totally agree. This one is absolutely on my list. And that that moment also were certainty and Tomen are on the throne. And she is like so close to poisoning him because she knows that the the walls are closing in there. So close to losing this battle is is like a really touching moment. I think it sheds a lot of light on as a character who. You know, everybody sort of looks at her as this monstrous person who's capable of doing monstrous things, but she's complex. That's one of the best parts about her characterization show. Is that she she really cares about her family? And you know, she shows it in really bizarre twisted ways a lot of time. But, but that's one of the few instances where sir she is alone with one of her children and actually spends actually shows emotion in a way, that's not just a oftentimes she's just sort of like in the background like lording around. And and being like a a a matriarch figure for her kids who are making decisions. But this is one of those times where she shows herself being a mother to child really, and it sort of heartbreaking in that way. So yeah, there's there's so much to like about this like the the glorious green explosion at the end. I mean is like one of the first times the game of thrones really had the budget to show something that was that like made people's jaw drops and are made people's jaws drop and also the. The the surprise element to the strategic stuff for people who hadn't read the books. This was probably a big a big twist for a lot of people. So it's a great episode for sure. Yeah. If you've got one stuffing a lock for our lists. What's the what's next, man? I'm going to say the mountain and the viper for me. This is season four episode eight obviously the fight between Auburn Martel, and is it sand Orkla gain or Gregor clinging academic rigor Gregor. I mean that that entire thing was like. I mean, it's seared into my memory forever. Pedro PASCAL, dancing and spinning around with his spear. And obviously like the the horrific away that that all concludes in the scream at the end from his paramour is just like. Seoul rattling. But also there's a bunch of other cool stuff in this episode like grey worm in the Sandies relationship finally starts heat up. And there's that great moment. Also, where aria an hound show up at the Irie and Leisa Aaron has been killed, and and Santa is in there, but the two of them walk up to the door and then realize or the the the gate, and and the bloody gate and our realizes that yet again, she's not going to be near her family, and she just breaks out into laughter, and they ended up just like turning around and going away. This is one of many of the really close calls that the show in the books as well. Loved to put these start characters through over the course of these the long journeys that they're on this almost my list. And I think it'd be a really good point for it. Because in my mind. It was great final sequence the travel combat with it's incredible horrifying conclusion. But I had forgotten about aria arriving at the Vail, which is really amazing seem. So I like this was seen this episode has contenders for best moment for me. I'm not sure it makes my best episodes lists about. But you know, I can be convinced. I it almost made it all right? I will be strong argument for my third choice, which is bay lower the penalty episode of season one and the one with quite possibly the definitive TV moment of the past decade, which is Ned. Stockings head shopped off the entire episode is good at this point. It's lot. We check on all the characters. We check in with. Where everybody is a war going on. And then at the end they take net Sark out to take the black. And and confessed his crimes that we all think the show is going to go to the wall, and he's going to team up with Jon snow, and that's where show is going to go, right? And then Joffrey established himself as one of the greatest villains in TV history by. Fine. His family defying sanity defying everything to make a gruesome point and chopping off innocent man's head in farm his daughter after he was wrongfully confessed to crimes commit so we could try to prevent further. Bloodshed and the rest of the episode is good. Very good. Even by think this moments this definitive moment, this final sequence is going to go down in pop culture history is one of the definitive notch just moments but media moment, so we have a cultural touchstone for as long as humanity still talks about art, I strongly believe it. So here's the thing. Jacob I agree with everything you just said except for me. It sounds like I have the same issue with this up. So that you do with them out in the viper in that the moment is is there for me. But I don't know about the entirety of the episode around it, so yeah, we'll have to hash this one out as we as we come to the end of of this part of the discussion, but this one this one's going to take a lot of convincing for me to for. 'cause I agree know the. Net starts beheading like one of the key things that I'm sure we'll end up rang that somewhere on our list of moments as we as we continue here. But. I don't know. I don't know about this. All right. So what we move on. Let me move to. I'm gonna say the winds of winter season. Six episode ten as the show Jenner at the general rule once the show hits season five for me. I start to find a lot of problems with it. And really, it's basically like anything beyond George. Martin's source material, I find that you know, some of those things are. Softened upon rewatch when I, you know divorce from the context of washing them the first time in waiting week by week. You know, once you have the ability to sort of binge through some of the stuff some of those time and pacing problems go away. But for me season six episode ten. The winds of winter is one of the best episodes of the whole series aria feeds. Walter phrase sons to him and then kills him finally exacting revenge for the red wedding. There's this glorious wildfire explosion. That destroys the sept- of Baylor kills the high Sparrow Marjorie and tons of other characters that shot of Tomen killing himself walking out of the window. And just falling face forward is like oh man that is also seared into my brain John is proclaimed king north Jon snow's parentage just finally confirmed in the tower of joy flashback Danny finally finally sales to west row. So this is the point in the show where it's narrowing its focus it's killing off characters that it doesn't really need anymore as it approaches its end game. And it's finally sort of. Setting the table for the final battle that is to come. So I love the score in this episode to especially how it opens with that long. I'm remember, I'm forgetting the name of remained Joe wadis particular track. I think it's actually called light of the seven that opens this episode. But it's so your again, right? Yes. Yes. Yeah. And so the music I mean that is for me the pinnacle of the music of game of thrones. With just always been great across the board. But that's a real height a high moment for me. And then like, I said, yeah. Oh, those those plot moments in just the shots in the compositions and everything and they're the ones of winter. I feel like has to be in there. This was member for this was while I was gonna bring up on you did is up sodas phenomenal, and it tears down so much of the show. So it could be rebuilt for the final stretch. And it does so magnificently and the opening sequence with the Oregon intercut spring characters preparing for various trials or sabotages is the area. The tensest and the most like Beavis the show has ever been. I think this is a law firms for sure let's about this would have been spills war Savan number six, which is you win or you die from season one. Which of course, is from Stacey is famous line. We play the game of thrones you win or you die and rewatching season one. I realize how much I miss the smallness of season one in some ways where the show was all about the intrigue all maneuvering, but people talking to each other and keeping secrets in choosing. When to say things, and it's up so as or the for. Starting the stupid Ned stark memes 'cause stark chooses to confronted with the truth of of knowing about her and James relationship and the truth apparently different children that Robert Rathi kids weren't real says the episode where Robert dies episode Ned has a confrontation is dips ordinate betrayed and by little finger after he walks into third known thinking, you know, the kings dead kings handwriting will save him. And it defines that stark defined surfing. It defines little finger. We meet Taiwian for the first time, we skinniest Ag limiter, which the nice touch. It's when Giora officially joins team Danny by stopping the wine merchant from killing her. And as is when when DRO vows to take her to west coast. So it starts at baller going. So in addition to you know, all of a sudden king's landing, which is just phenomenal. And is just Ned and associates. Two opposing viewpoints. I will I'll do anything with my power to hold onto my power versus L do anything to be on romaine, collide. And we see for the first time who wins that fat battle in the game of thrones. I think this needs to be on man. That's a really good episode. It wasn't on my list. But I feel like you're convincing me there. So let's move on to my next choice. And that is going to be this is really tough because I didn't rank them beforehand. I'm gonna say the door season six episode five s another sort of late game surprise for me. Because like I said, I haven't really loved the leader seasons. But the door is so good. And this is a moment that we know that George Martin dictated to benefit Weiss, the show runners of game of thrones. And so the way the and the fact that they hired Jack bender who directed some of the time travel, the episodes of lost and particular to to come on and direct this episode, and sort of bring that whole thing home is a an inspire. Choice on their part. And this episode is just so memorable. It's got Giora revealing his gray scale to Danny. And she tells him to find the cure. It's got the kings mood where theon and Yarra meet up with your own. And then they subsequently escape. It's got the first time that we see lady Crame in the actors and Bravo's, which is of the Bravo. Bravo, see storyline. One of the aspects that I didn't hate and didn't make me want to slash my own guts out like REO was stabbed. And those later episodes. It's got brand and the three eyed raven learning about the creation of the white walkers so sort of filling in some really necessary backstory there, and then also the night king touching brand in the vision. And the pacing of the episode as it comes to a close is just ramped up beyond almost anything. We'd seen on the show to that point culminating with the really really tragic death of hor which is like one of the saddest moments in the entire series. So for me the door is definitely in their doors. My number eight, and I do believe aas blonde that list and. After I think the brand north of the wall stuff is oftentimes really boring for show. I find exciting, and this really justifies a lot of that at just brings a it gives a really successful. Solution to a mystery. I didn't know you needed solid which is whore. And it establishes brands powers in a way that sub something horrifying like he's not a superhero, he causes the destruction of human being over. The course of decades by time traveling in easy psychic abilities. It is heartbreaking in harrowing. And. Yes, it blondes. All right. What's your next toys, man? I'm gonna talk about season five Banny may know, where I'm going with this because he's five bad, especially worship. So the entire series is unbowed on bent unbroken this season, which is absolute nightmare, but features hard home, which is what the Walking Dead wished. It was. This is a heavy metal album brought to life. It is nights of versus zombies versus white walkers in this on icy coast, and if the final image of the night king raising his hands renew his army with all the fall, and I just from a pure action. Standpoint is such a successful setpiece and it redeems so much of season five 'cause he's five always the black sheep whenever we talk about that season. But it's always. Yeah. But it's always hard home. So here's my question is hard home. Good enough to redeem season five and let it onto this list. It is it's unknown list as well. Obviously, there's the whole great extended fighting against the net. King's army. There's the the first time that that John kills a white Walker with long claw and really great shot. We're just disappears into like ice shards. But there's also Santa sort of finding hope for the first time like during a really really bleak period in her life. When theon tells her that he didn't kill Brennan Ricken recon, and that that is a moment that she needed after the awfulness of unbowed on bene- broken. And then also I think that's the episode yet is we're we're Tyrian meets generis for the first time in like sort of fishery becomes her adviser. So there's some really good stuff, you know, outside of that amazing battle sequence as well. Which is I think. For me. Anyway, people you know, listeners may be starting to send a pattern there. I've really love the episodes that have great battle moments, but aren't fully devoted to battles in their entirety. If that makes sense, so yeah, I think I think Harlem's got to be on the list. Cool. What's next man next for me? I would say. The children probably which is season for episode ten. This is the one where status rides into the north and captures mass raider brand reaches the heart tree, but Joe is killed. So there's a little bit more of that action north of the wall that that finally sort of picks up the pace there and makes things worth like a whites rising from the skeleton whites rising from the ground and throwing the children of the force are throwing grenades and stuff and everything's blowing up, and there's some actual consequences there with with jo-john dying Tyrian is freed and kills shea anti wind. And that's like I mean, obviously, both of those are huge moments in the show. There's the Brian versus the hound sword fight face off, which is like epic in its own way. And then triumphantly the end where are you finally heads for Bravo's which sets up, you know, I it sets off a series of of events that I guess in the when you're looking at them on a micro level. Well, I don't really love a lot of the stuff that happens in Bravo's. But from a macro level, it's super important for aria to gain. Her powers and go through her whole training and all that stuff at the house of black and white. So I remember being super stoked the first time I saw this episode, and, you know, having her show, Jack and Hagar's coin to somebody from Bravo's and say take me, they're like, let's go, you know, her and the ship, you know, with her entire feature head of her and finally leaving west rest behind to go and be the warrior that she was meant to become moved me a lot at the first time. I saw tonight. It it worked just as well the second time. So this is one of the I think the best season finale in game of thrones history. But do you have do you share my love for the children? It didn't make my list. I think you're right. I think Vince be we'll come back to it. Because it's definitely better than the number ten. Number eight was the door, which is which we discussed already, but number nine is the reins of cast Amir that was the next one on my list to the red wedding. And this is. This. This gutted me when I read it in a Guzm me all over again when I watched it happened on screen. This course, the the murder of rob star. Caitlyn stark and most of us allies at at the twin? Yes, by house, fray and. The rest episode has things going on. I mean, John and the north when he is when this when John escapes from the Wild Wings and has with Danny across across the ocean. But the twins where we spend a lot of this episode and the build up to that wedding. Because when game of thrones spent his time in one place for too long. It's the show tipping off. Something's about to happen because show bounces from somebody locations somebody characters such rapid pace, sometimes that we're expecting, you know, Robb stark to forges alliance March on casually rock in he note when the day because he's Robb stark, and he's not gonna make the same mistake, his father did right and the longer that wedding goes on the more. We spent time there and more people are just sitting there. Having conversations about things that aren't plot driven. It just becomes switch were upsetting because get the feeling. Stomach that something's not right. Something's not right. We to kaitlin know something's wrong. Be. We think physically understand how she realizes it. And the final slaughter remains the most gutted think the show has left me being dark. It's shocking. But this left me the good guys loose here. And they Lou if they don't recover for seasons. Lancers are still in power for years. I think that this episode is end of end of an era for the show, and it has been list. Yeah. Absolutely. It's its own my list as well. And you know, it's one of those great moments of game of thrones subverting fantasy tropes like you think that Ned stark son is going to avenge him, and it's just because of a tactical error on Rob's part that he offended the wrong guy and the entire rug get swept out from under him and pulled out from under him. And it just it. It is like the most deadly the most like this really shocking moment in in game of thrones history. I think even though. Oh, you know, more people probably well now, I mean, there's a ton of stark people that die offscreen in this. So I was going to say that maybe the septa Baylor explosion at the end may have like technically killed more people. But I think this one there are tons of like soldiers and stuff in camps right outside of the twins. And they were all slaughtered as well. So yeah, there's this one man this is like this is the one that people shot video reactions of book readers coming and it was such a huge deal. So. There are think two more on my list. We haven't talked about one of which I I'm not convinced it needs to be on there. So I think one of the ones that you talked about could be I'll just mention one. It's the watchers on the wall which is season four episode nine. It's the battle at castle black. And you know, I mentioned I didn't really love all the episodes that that just focus on one battle. But Neil Marshall came back to direct this episode. He directed. The battle blackwater episode that we talked about earlier and egrets death is the the moment the the relationship between John snow and egret. Comes to a sad end in this episode. And that's the one where I was like searching for episodes to to fill out. The restless, listen, I was like, I guess I could see that would make the cut. But I think you probably have made a stronger case for. You know, some of the other ones that you've mentioned here. So we can we can go back and forth on that. Did you have any other? Did you talk about all the did you hit your I have one more left took see it's not going to hang looking at this. Now, I think that the children should be in the slot. And this is the laws of gods and men from season four, which is the actual trial of Tyrian Lancaster episode a lot because I think that pays off in the in the mountain and the viper with the travel combat, but this is such a showcase repeated in college. I mean, he's always been Houston. Breakout star of the show, even though you know, it double showed her no lead. Pete English is Lee game of thrones. And seeing him put on this put on trial, and this farce and seeing the seen him Jamie and him and Taiwian where he's see the Lancaster family at a core and use and you see the dynamic play out in ways that are at hurts because Taiwan Tyrian Jimmy loves his family. He loves Linister name. He. He has spent his entire life trying to support it. He spent all this show fighting to preserve his family and his family is offering a sacrificial lamb and the sequence where Tyrian says I'm on trial for being a dwarf. It is made my favorite moment in the entire series is because I a lot truth in that moment, and there's a lot of of him as even being coming through the ice because as a little person in modern world, you know, he's he is facing same frigging things that Tirr Lancers facing. And that's a shame as hard and and having him acted out here, really hits heart. But I looking at restless list, I think I'm okay, cutting this one. Yeah, I agree. The only other one that I would maybe make an argument for is season. One episode one the pilot winter is coming just because of the way that it sets the stage for everything you get that great introduction to Ned teaching his kids, you, you know, talk. About having to be the one who swings the sword. And actually carries out the execution. You know, establishing this guy who think is going to be the grant here of this whole story. You've got the the establishment of so many, different dynamics. And and, you know, little pieces of mythology and just like the geography of everything, you know, like how this how this world is so much bigger than you think it is from the start you've got the sarus, and Danny, you know, you've got the the meeting of drug of culture, cultural go for the first time, you've got I mean, the the very end to like that's arguably one of the more memorable moments of the series where Jamie pushes brand out of the window at at winter fell. So I think case could be made for that. But I don't know. Okay. So with all of this said Jacob what do we have so far? What do you think is locked in? What do you think we still need to battle it out to all right out? There are six episodes. We both have on our list. So I think they'd be locked in. And those are the door. The winds of winter blackwater, the spoils of war hard home the reins of cast Amir. Based on our reactions to each other. I think the children and you win or you die. She'd been us list as well. I think that makes sense. So what does that eight that's eight those to my little document here. So the question now is what goes in the last few slots? I might never want is still alive lion in the rose. So if you put lie in the rose on this list, you can put anything Murless on the top thing. We can call it a day holiday. I feel like it because it's your number when it has to go on the list, and I think most of mine have gotten on there. Now. The only thing is I wonder if the mountain and the viper should go or. I guess we're going to have that conversation momentarily soon as we start talking about the moments, but. Man. I would still I think I would still make the case for the mountain and the viper. Just because of the the obviously the the fight is so memorable. But what I said before like, the aria and the hound showing up at the Irie and grey worm in the sandy, which is a relationship that, you know, I think is much more correct me if I'm wrong Jacob because it's been several years since I've read the books, but is much more involved in the show than it is in the books because the sandy is much younger in the books. Is that right? Correct. Yeah. So that's that's the thing that sort of keeps the the denarius in SOS storyline. Enslavers bay storyline. It gives you a reason to want to go back there for so long during the series when a lot of that subplot tends to get pretty circular as well. So I don't know what do you think? I think of the ones left on your of all the ones unclaimed for this list on both of our lists to top contenders for me feel like mountains, viper and Baylor. And I know you had headed up Ayler she stayed apprehensions about each of these episodes toward Baylor. Sorry beach rebounded viper new toward Baylor. Yeah. But I think Baylor was going to get its props in our best moments list at people are gonna give us crap leaving Baylor office lists. But let's lock inbound the viper and call the list or or should mountain and the viper and Baylor cross each other off, and we put you win you win or you die in as like the the defacto winner. You know? Already put you on that was already in there. We we we decided to add that and the children. Okay. All right. My notes are all over the place. I like it. Let's do it. Let's lock in mountain in the viper. And that that should do it. Right. That's all. Yes. Yeah. We'll we'll figure out the the the actual order of ten offline. But for those of you listening at home unranked the door, the winds of winter blackwater spoils or hard home the reins of cast Amir the children you win or you die the lion in the rose in the mountain and the viper. That's damn fine list. And it is it is. I'm proud of us. All right. So let's get into the real nitty gritty of game of thrones. Let's talk about the best moments in the history of the show this I feel like we're man we're going to have some some maybe more knock down drag out kind of battles over this. So how do we want to do this? Should we just like each like list? A thing that happens on the show. And then how do you how do you want to approach us? Jacob. All right. I didn't rank these ones have more than ten here. I have more than ten. So I vote for a rapid fire thing, you say a moment or I say moment. One can instantly if you know it or we can say, yeah. Let's discuss it. And let's be repeating ruthless here. Okay. All right. All right. I'm not even going to say the first thing on my list, which was Tyrian slapping Joffrey. It's such a small moment. But I enjoyed it. I was I was trying to go through chronologically the entire history of the show and put my moments in that order, and I really didn't find much in season one that that made the cut for me. So that was one of the two things in season one. But I'll just jump ahead to neds murder, which is what you're talking about in Baylor. The beheading of Ned stark, which is like one of the key moments in the history of the show. Yes. That should be on the list. All right. I will go ahead and do the other big murder the red wedding needs to be on this list. Yes. Definitely. Okay. So let's just call it the first big drill car smell where Danny reveals that. She speaks Valerian. She kills the young Kayce labor. She takes backer dragon. And secures the sandy and the unsullied army that was like one of the big epic moments of I forget even which season that was maybe season two or something season three four. Yes. So what do you think about that moment? There's also on my list. I'm putting on our to discuss list. All right jump around is a little bit. From two swords from season four the hound wants chicken. Okay. So I remember and appreciate this moment. I'm not sure if that belongs in like a list. It depends on how many were doing do. We even know. Are we going to narrow this to like a top twenty or something I want this be a bloodbath? Ben I want fifteen maximum especially es. All right. How much chicken I want that to include the entire tavern fight? That follows are you getting your sore? Back stabbing a guy then writing off into the burning horizon. I think that all counts as a moment Lau. Okay. All right. Well, that makes it makes me a little bit more open to it. But I I would say put that on the to discuss list. Okay. How about Bryan versus the bear in the bear? And the maiden fair. I have to beat. Oh this offer veto only because. Filming a television show with a bear means that sequence while it's incredibly dramatic moment. I liked decisions being made from character point of view. It looks kinda cheap. All right fair enough. But if you if you if you say, no back, I want on the list up on the list, but I wanna make sure yeah. No. That's good. I I'll I'll put up a big fight. If it's something I truly believe in. Okay. This one. Okay. Tyrians blackwater speech brave men knocking on a gates. Let's go kill them. Yeah. I had the battle of blackwater bay as like a whole moment. So I feel like that. That is probably you know, collected within that. So I feel like that should go on there. Yeah. Let's see that. And. Narrow down to that moment. Just like, you know, a thirty minute sequence. And what makes them real quickly industry? Great speech is great, Geraldo speech, eight rerelease the troops. The look on his face afterward realizes ocean. I'm terrified mix that scene work for me. Beautiful. Yeah. Definitely. What's your next one? Okay. So I will be your champion when over and Martel comes to Tyrian in the dungeon. What do you think? Oh, it's a really good moment. I'm gonna put it on our to discuss list. Okay. The meeting in the dragon pit from the dragon and the Wolfson seven were all hunting characters in the entire series. All one place hash out for half hour. Absolutely. Definitely for discussion or for locking lock that shit in. Okay. Yeah. That is on my list. I'm really excited about that. Okay. We gotta do the mountain for the viper that fight and the scream and the the whole thing, you know, my name is Inigo Montoya you killed my father prepared to the whole thing. I mean, it's just glorious. We listen to be a sham without it. From a golden crown season one. You do not do not fight honorably queuing brawn. No. But he did. That's a great moment. I'm not sure if it should be in here for being ruthless. I gotta say. I should probably veto that I know that you're very passionate about the bronchoair Akhter. So I. Dance. But I love Ron. We'll maybe we'll get on this list. I'm cool cutting it because this is listening to be a bloodbath. But do you think that's perfect moment? Something Broncos and so much of the show's host. But yeah, I I'm leaving it right now. What's next for you? How about God, maybe horse death? I know we talked about it already. But just the the way that that whole episode culminates. Unlike e you, look you're saying before I think about something else. Like, he the answers to questions that you didn't even know that you that you had that you need like the way. It's so heartbreaking. I have hold the door on my list here. Yeah. So I think hold the door and all related to it makes to lis-. Yes. Okay. How about cleanup throw the quick thorns doubting to poison Montoya? Jamie till Searcy. It was me. Yes. I have that on my list as well. Such a great moment. Maybe the most boss exit of the entire you think. So. Let's see. Let's see maybe. I'm trying to I'm trying to rank these in order of importance instead of order of chronology now. Okay. So here's the one that's way smaller, but I think is really really important, and that's Jaime and Brienne in the cave when he talks about how he stabbed the mad king in the back. And why and that's like the moment. Where Jamie, Lancaster, a character is completely re contextualised for the audience, and it turns him from you know, this creepy guy who has sex with his own sister into a sort of tragic hero character. Even though he's done terrible things. It adds some extra shading to that character. And really sort of gets you on his side for the first time. I think Abed no, you think it's a small moment. But I have JB's hot tub. Confession on my list. Right. So let's put it was locked in. Yeah. I think so. Okay. This one needs introduction the night. King raises his arms and heart home. Yeah. Yeah. That's got to be on their man. That's such a good visual. Nobody you. I'm going to say, okay. Here's a moment that I don't know if you're going to buy, but I wanted to I would make the case for it. Which is aria finally looking jock and a car in the face and saying a girl is you stock of winter fell and I'm going home. What do you think about that? It's goodbye hate all the house black and white stuff. So let's put it in the discussion stuff for now. Okay. All right. How about one I think we can both agree on Dormont wakes up to find Danny alive with three dragons. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. I actually forgot about that moment. But as soon as you mentioned, like, of course that should be on here. Yeah. But you what's next? How 'bout? Tyrians trial. Does that Bill? I mean, that's one of the things that was on my list, and you talked about it in the moments or in the episodes section, but Peter which is performance is. So great there you'd think that has room on on such a small list of of moments from the entire series. I think it's amazing. But I think we already have an amazing Putin could monologue on this with blackwater. Yeah. And we have his trial representing already with about in versus viper. So I think we should probably cut it. Okay. All right fair enough. Yeah. Danny rocky attack Atlanta, caravans spoils. Of course, he's gotta be in there. I love that moment so much. So what are we at with the Lockton moment? Locked in. We have one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve with really gushing wrap a few more lists. Let's just about numbers for now, which should be cut which we consider which we locked and even have to cut some locked. We'll figure it out. What's next? All right. I'm going to say the the set of Baylor explosion and Thomas death like those sort of moments. Go hand-in-hand for me and search like looking out the window and drinking wine as a whole thing goes up because I hate the high Spero so much so much that entire thing. Just to see him go up in flames like that with so cathartic and satisfying for me after like seasons of his bullshit. And I know it's a big moment for surveys, while do you think that should be on here? Oh, man. My one little quibble is that if a series of two moments Thomas, death and stuff to Baylor spotting should be two moments. Yeah. You might. So here's my question as powerful as sept- of Baylor is blowing up. I think the Shaw Thomas death some episode better than anything should just make it that moment. I agree. Yep. That sounds good. All right. This is a moment. I personally love a worried look at this list. That's almost two quaint which is Tyrian telling little finger pie sale and various three different stories to figure out who which one MRIs mall. Oh, man that said so much about his character. But on a list like this. I don't know if it's gonna fly. I I also love that moment and sort of the same thing with like Jamie, losing his hand. Which is another thing that was on my list. It's like it's the same same concept as Ned being beheaded. It's like the show telling you that nobody's safe. You know, even the characters that you think are are big deals are not always impervious to the ruthlessness of the residents of west row. So I feel like that one shouldn't make the cut just because the general idea of it is sort of encapsulated in nets murder, which has already on the list. Yeah. Let's cut Terry and tricking them and the hand chop off. I feel like we already have and continuing on this list. And I think Jamie's confession. Debris in is a more lasting moment. The hand actually being lost yet. Leisa through the moon door. That's another one that like maybe on a list of fifty would be on there. But probably not on on such a smallest like this. Let me throw out one more. We say. Yeah. I almost I can almost hear your response already. But I'm going to say it anyway, just for the the listeners. So they know that we're not forgetting these great moments Tyrian Giora sailing through Valeria and encountering the stone men for the first time. What do you think about that? It's real good. It doesn't make my top fifteen. Okay. All right fair enough. I'm gonna go him chop off. My last two. I don't think they got which is Eddie seeing with aria and Taiwan's season two because I think everything between Charleston Sommese Williams is electric, but also have a really hard time, narrowing down the one scene, and I think that's a problem. So I I want to give props those two actors inherent hall doing credible work together. Yeah. But I think I can let it go. And when he mentioned earlier Arias laugh after learning her ought died. Is an incredible moment. And I'd put on this list before I put Arias going home on it. But what do you think I feel like maybe the purple wedding should go on the list before that what do you think jaffrey's death, and that's been number one episode? So yes, okay. We'll are is laugh it put purple wedding up on discussion. I'm trying to think if there's any I'm just like blasting through a lot of my sort of leftover answers here like drug on swooping into stop sons, the heart attack and the fighting pits which was a cold time, but like is bad dramatically it works. But technically, it doesn't even like Surtees walk of shame. I mean, it's a great moment. But I'm not sure that it fits in this same thing with the fight at the tower of joy, the flashback that brand is watching with his dad and like Jalan read and those guys some really great sword play. But I don't know if it stands for a list like this cutting bone here. Ben, he's our bones. Gotta go. Yeah. Definitely. Okay. How about the hound versus barracked Don dairy in the cave. When when we see barrack resurrected. It's really good. I would fight for the hounded and the tavern with aria before I fought for that. All right fair enough. And then I think only have like a couple more. So John Negret in the cave. There was a I think in that same episode is Jaime and Brienne there was there was another case seen Jon snow proving that he doesn't quite know. Nothing. I love the scene that John's o- apparently invented oral sex is. No, no. I think those you have great chemistry, and I I love those two together. I just feel like it does it. I don't feel like it can make this list. All right. Fair enough. Yeah. Hound. I is Brienne that fight with guest sort of watching. And I think pot is there as well watching on. Yes. I what do you think about that? Let's put this into discussion when I do like the scene. Okay. And then. Danny burning the temple of the dash Colleen late in the series. What he think about that one? It's good. But it's it's her burning. This Labor's Oliver again, the truecar moment. But just a different spin cars is better if we're gonna be honest. Yeah, for sure all right. So I think that's it. The only other one that I had on here was John killing white Walker with long claw at hard home. Just that shot that that sort of baseball swing of the sword in the explosion into diamond dust, just looked really cool. It's one of the big moments that sort of sticks out in my head. But I'm not sure if if you agree enough to put it on this list, we both really like the heart home episode. But on about that specific moment, I really like it. I think are are to discuss pile is full of moments. I'd rather have to take. All right. So let's get into the to discuss pile. Okay. Let's let's talk about it because there are thirteen on our Lockton pile and five or to discuss pile. So how have you thought? How about we make this a top fifteen? Okay. Pick to from our too. Discuss pile and actually others and call this list to go, I think so. Yes, all right. So here's what's not locked in for discussion for spinal two slots over in saying, he'll be tearing champion the hound wants chicken and the ensuing tavern fight aria tells Jacques she's going home the purple wedding, which Joffe is death and the hound versus Brienne. Oh, man. All right, gut reaction for you. Which of those to jump out at you of those tavern? Fight hands down favorite of of this low com. Okay. And just for people who maybe don't know the full shorthand explain that scene. Just a in a little bit more detail in case it's going over people's heads. It's and beginning of season for when the hound -ducted aria in season three took her to the twins just in time for family massacred. So now he has a hostage do with their. He's dragging around west rose a stops at tavern where a group of Lancaster soldiers are are have gathered to drink and eat and the hound demands. The demands chicken and drink and liberty picks a fight with the lashes in his way, which is to be incredibly funny incredibly insulting and say that you eat a whole lot of chickens in the funniest way imaginable in the ensuing fight. The hound kills a bunch of guys. Are you finds Paul over who killed her friend? Back in season two in Seoul. Needle takes Neil Back. And repeat Paul words from when she killed her friend Lonnie and slowly cuts his throat with needle and the two of them March off the sunset on their horses tour towards all these burning fields and the hound munching on a chicken in our hazard own horse. Now, you realize that you brought you've witnessed game with their own his best duo ever nearby dec- of buddy comedy between the two. Yes. All right. I think you've convinced me I think we could put that on there. All right. I'm gonna put a little star next to and putting on there because I want to hear is there. One more on this list that you're as passionate about as I am for that one. We can you can. So so just to be clear the other categories were or the other contenders where I wanna be your champion. Open Martell are going home from Bravo's the purple wedding and the hound versus Brienne. So for me, I feel like I wanna be your champion. I'll be your champion is too tied up in the mountain. I of the. Viper, which we already have on the list, we could probably scrap that I think I think the purple wedding is probably a good encapsulation of game phones at large because it's got the death of villain who you hate. You've spent seasons hating this character because it's such a little shit, but the final shot or one of the final shots of of Joffrey from above where he you know, has faces literally turning purple which it's like the why it's called the purple wedding in like blood is dripping out of his nose. It's like a horrific image. And you realize in that moment that there's some humanity to this kid. He is a kid. He is undoubtedly a piece of shit, but he's also a person and like you kind of feel bad despite yourself for like, you know, being for enjoying his death. And I feel like the that kind of complexity something game of thrones gets at and not a lot of other shows. Do what do you think about that? I think you're right. I think not only is incredibly memorable death. But surface reaction to his monster dying is so. So like har- funding to watch in effect that we're cheering the death is villain. But immediately results everyone's favorite care. Being put in prison is the most capable throw to stay to ever happen. Put these two on the list lead, the others, and we have top fifty. Okay. I like it. All right. So let's move on into our final. I'm to read it off. Oh, yeah. Do that. Okay. Let's get home going along. Here's our top fifteen unranked the execution of this arc the red wedding. Danny burns, the slavers. It was a brave men knocking on our gate. The. The viper versus a mountain hold the door tells her. It was me Jamie's hot tub confession night. King raises his arms Danny is alive with newborn dragons Danny's forces attacked last caravan Thomas death, the hound wants chicken and the purple wedding, man. But that's like a greatest hits like a highlight reel of the wholesale. I love it. Yeah. We capture a lot. They're very happy with that. Okay. So let's get into. I'm not even sure how we're going to really do this. But this is what we're calling like yearbook superlatives for the surviving game of thrones characters. So to be clear anybody who is dead on the show. This point is not eligible for any of these categories, even though several dead characters would be perfect fits for a lot of these. I think Jacob and I just sort of like threw out a bunch of categories. And I think we're just gonna sort of blow through them one by one and see I don't know Jacob. What what do you think? Should we just like see if we both agreed that the same person should be bestowed this honor or should we? And if it's not then we'll just sort of make our case for why we think that person should be given that particular superlative this is the Joe category. So not prepared to fight too hard, most of these. So how was rotate all nounce the category you or you say who you pick us to Hugh epic. We come quick decision between the two was not fight about it. Then you say the next category and repeat the process, okay? Sounds good. All right. So I'll start. So these are the those those characters script survived the four years of high school that has west coast. This is coming into the final year yearbook. So who wins the life of the party? I would say Tyrian Lancaster's the life of the party. I don't know about you. I have also given the Syrian Lancaster what's next category? Ben most likely to end up on the iron throne. Who'd he say, John snow because nothing goes right for anyone the show. He's the last person who wants him. So he'll get it. And I have to tar Garin, and I just feel like the show has been leading to that. And it's going to be like a like, a bittersweet accomplishment. She finally gets it like it's not gonna be what she thought it was the whole time. Maybe John her lover is going to die in the process. I dunno. I you know, what I'm cool. This is John for other categories, John. So pops up at least twice more my list. One the. Yeah, that's good. Because I think he's only on my list one other time. So that'll that'll work. All right. So next up is most likely to be double crossed. Who do you have here? John snow again, John his father, son. I'm sorry. He is he is his uncle's. Indeed. I had Jamie. But I feel like you could be right there. I guess Jamie would have already been double crossed by this point. Because as far as we know right now he's like heading north to to help out with the battle up in the north. So I don't know of anybody up their little fingers dead on opening up. They would really double cross them. So yeah, let's go with John for that one. Okay. Most likely to double cross who do you put? I mean, this one is certainly Lancaster like anybody that she comes in contact with. I feel like she's likely to double cross them. What do you think? Oh, yeah. That was my choice to unanimous like even the even in last season's finale. She's still plotting her up across the war at the end. Yes. Yes. So what's next though? Most likely to be eaten by dragon who do you have here dragons go to venture fallen makings go by dragging right up. Okay. I had you're on great joy, just because I feel it'd be really fun to see your on being destroyed by dragon. But the night king. How? Oh, man that wouldn't makes a lot of sense to. I don't know. Should we go with like, the one that makes sense or the one that would be the most fun to see in this case? I think you're on the son of a bitch deserves chop by dragging so hard. Let's let's give this a year on. All right. So then what's next most stylish his and hers? All right. So this is another one we're actually have your own great joy as the his I feel like he's rocking that sort of a pirate. Look, I hate that character, but his style is sort of undeniable, and then Sansa stark is gonna have for the hers on this one. What do you think a census good? I put too narrow for my best female addressed. I think she has such a wide variety. She does Mason uniforms. They're see some seven black outfit is incredible. But once it goes back north, and she's wearing her Starkey gear Manji, she off was one for a second. But I can't be with your on. I think Jamie wears armor, better than any man. The show. I think James is the most stylish. I mean, I'll give it to Jimmy Lancaster. I'm certainly, okay. With your on getting one less category. That son of a bitch. So, and I honestly it was a toss up between Santa and Danny for me because like you said Danny has such a wealth of options, and she seems to have like a style for every environment. So I don't I don't know. There are more opportunities for her to have better looks. So maybe she should get it by default. I like put giving this one to Danny. We just gave her like the iron thrones Sansa sauna wears that star clothes as well as Johnson, rob everyday. I I think science against us. One estimates me she has the the confidence in it as well. And she's like throwing, you know wolf pelts around her shoulders. That's that's always great Danny's dresses, well, but she her she's her dress particular by team Samsa is wearing part that is true. And I think she actually makes some of her own closer. She certainly sowed something for John like a piece of armor or something like that for anyway. So all right, next up is most talented who do you have here? Oh, Brima fucking tar man shit. I did not think about that. I have aria stark. Because of all of her like house of black and white face swapping, and like voice work and all of that. I guess you could argue that that is like magic. And maybe she's not doing most of the work there and brand actually trained for her for her skill and talent. So yeah, let's give Bryon Brienne. Yeah. Next one is most cunning so for that I got Khyber nd for this one. I don't know what do you think this was my aria category? This is where I split most talented to being bread and aria and gave car are most cutting. So Jan she fed moulder phrase tons to him. But that I don't know about cunning cunning is to me implies more of like, the back channel scheming that Khyber n- does and like, you know, crafting illegal Maistre shit and bringing people back to life, and like designing dragon, crossbows and stuff, you know, all sort of under the table. But I don't know. What do you think? When you my am I making any sense here. How about we say notable? Those and but various instead. Oh, yeah. That's the perfect answer. How did we neither one of us? Come up with that. Okay. Various it is. So most evil. I mean, if we're doing dead people, I feel like Ramsey would have to take this. But certainly, it's maybe the most evil, I don't know who do you have put night king because at least human being making his I can just pure evil. Still the one cold son of a bitch is absolutely true. I am changing that. Yes night king. It is. All right next up the most devoted family member. And you can take this in a myriad of ways. I'm interested to see how you're going to take it who this was this was originally my sadza category. But now gave her best Masailand I'm prepared to be convinced. Otherwise, okay. So I'm going to say Sam well tar, I feel like he has done almost nothing in the show, but read books and be protective of Gilly and little Sam. And I feel like he's the one. He's the true family man of this whole thing. Yeah, you're right. He created his own family is his original family is shipped me made is only protected I think this is an excellent answer. All right. So what's the next category? What you would are you reading on? I've lost reorganised one worse family member. Okay. Oh, yes. Yes. Every so I'm gonna I'm gonna drop a surprise answer in here and say Davos e worth because he has he has a wife who he is completely abandoned never mentioned for like seasons on end. I mean, you know, certainly his child at least one son died in the battle of blackwater bay. But I don't think since then he's mentioned the wife that is just like waiting somewhere for tough to come home. I put Tyrian here because he kills his father and betrayed his family enjoyed deposi side. But I feel like he still has his best interests at heart for the last name. So you know, what I think votes takes us. All right, most likely to start a band, who do you think would fit here we hear his pipes in blackwater that was Braun because the accurate plays them. What's proud of British pop duo in the nineties, and I think that is something that the show should have had more should have more of more promising and gets actually it's a really incredible voice. Yeah. That's a great answer. My pick was barracked on dairy and just because I feel like barracks done Derian, and the heavy metal trio or something would be like a cool band name like his name. It's your sounds like a frontman. But I think you're right Braun has actually proven on the show that he's got the chops. The lead one. So what's the next category? Probably most likely to take over the brothel industry minute. Little thing is dead. Someone's gotta do it. I feel like Padre pain. That's gotta be the the choice here. He's proven particularly interested in the subject in an earlier episode. What do you think? Well, I think that I think you're right. My answer was Mel asandra because you got to go somewhere her previous clearly failed. Yeah. But Hadramut not only understands the art of love, but he's a sweetheart who's going to treat them with respect pay them more. And generally have a more humane. World for sex workers. So I think Padre. All right. Yeah. I like it most likely to win in a sword. Fight. This. There's a lot contenders ear, but are you start feels like that feels like the winner here? Right. It was for me. It was toss tossup between aria John and Brienne of tar. And we don't know how John would fare against aria, and Brian and interestingly Brin aria have that sort of sparring session. But it looked like an end of rocky three scenario where they both punch each other at the same time, but it freezes, and you don't know who actually wins. So I just I said I gave Brian the edge because she took down the hound and he's proven himself, obviously to be like a pretty formidable force. What do you think? This is really hard is like REO would fight dirty. And and Brian and John would not actually like she would take advantage of that think you're right. I think they would fight with swords and REO would fight with a sword. And also a dagger or something and like yet take the edge that way. All right. What's the next one most likely the die by freezing to death? I'm gonna say grey worm. He seems to be sleeveless a lot. So I don't know. I don't know if he has the wardrobe necessary to survive, the north my my answer was more sad just saying Charlie because if left alone he would die horribly, but I think gray webs are funnier answer at one imagine San freezing to death, Greg down. All right. So here's one that. I couldn't quite figure out an answer to most likely to join the army of the dead. And when I created that category. I guess it basically just means who do you think is going to die in the north or or die anywhere and become part of the night. King's army, who do you think is the most likely to do that? I read that until a different way. I read it as who'd willingly joined the night king in his quest to dominate world. Okay. All right. And by reading that I put brand stark that weird that we're little talker. Who knows this up with them these day? I feel like anyone can turn on a dime to decide humanity's beneath me, it's brand stark. I like that I had the mountain because I feel he sort of like kinda dead anyway. And maybe he would just like be like, you know, what I'm sick of taking orders from surgery, but I like the brand auction. He hasn't gotten much love on this list. Let's give it to him. All right. So how about most likely to kill Searcy? I gotta say aria stark. She's one of the few people left on her list and aria has proven pretty ruthless in in terms of like going down that list and trying to check off as many names as possible. Do you think she has a chance to do it? Or do you think somebody else could do it? I put Tyrian here only because I feel like he has unfinished business with her. And would it would complete his arc is a man who keeps them murdering his family. But I'm also think Tyrian is on this list of times already. So it's making our, you know, actually missing that. I think something about the prophecy doesn't doesn't imply that one of her brothers is going to one of these brothers is gonna. Kill her. If this is game of thrones. That as a prophecy it in this janey, she the person come in, right? Yeah. Okay. All right. Let's give them one to aria then most likely to kill their star Garin. Who'd he got there? I have searching Lancaster because she's one who could do it. If someone was going to I have the night king. Just because I feel like know they're setting up for that battle of ice and fire up there and surf is all the way down in king's landing and less she jumps on a Steed and rides north which seems unlikely this point. But maybe like indirectly she could she could be the one to kill Danny. I don't know. What do you think? I think Danny is not going to die scraps category. Okay. All right. Yeah. Let's let's call an audible scrap in that category. Right. Most likely to await you reading this next one you read it. Okay. Most likely to kill the night king. I have the nearest Aaron have Jon snow. I feel like both answers pretty straightforward. I we could scrapped this category as well seem to cancel each other out. Yeah, we need trimming this list anyway as long, okay? All right. I like it. So how would this most likely to take the black who will join the Nightwatch feel like again dri, maybe he's like one of the few people who doesn't really have allegiances anywhere. And I feel like he could actually like be a true benefit to the people at castle black or wherever the Nightwatch ends up. You know, forming camp again after all this whole thing like doing his Smith is blacksmith stuff. It who do you have been by much better answer next door, more Mont. He's he's going is going to end John's going to say, my father kick off his land. Why are you back and say I fought in John John's gonna play follows ways and say, Nope. You still have to atone for your sins enduro realize, but maybe I should have replaced my father at the night's watch and try to little legacy. He created I failed. And that's where he'll end up you, really? Think that Danny would let John kick Giora out like her boy. But yeah, all right. Well, we'll give that to them because I can picture Giora Rockin that black and actually becoming like the new engine stark a ranger out beyond the wall. Not that there would be anything to range for after this frigging battle is over. But yeah, I like that. Anyway, how about most likely to return from the dead? So for people who've read the books, there's like one name here that probably is jumping directly to mind. But I think you, and I since we both read the books maybe shouldn't say that name just so we can sort of void that surprise for non book readers may be people who want to dive in and check out the book. So I'm gonna say Roose Bolton here. He seems like his body would maybe be far enough north, and he always sort of struck me as like vampiric anyway, so him coming back would be sort of like a a an undead Roose Bolton strikes me as a an interesting image. Like Ramsey has been ripped shreds. I don't think his body can come back. But maybe his dad. I don't know. What do you think? See I read this question, or it's got go in different way, which was cool die. We come back to come back to life in the future. And I put Santa game because you can't keep him down. He's already died once and come back. So question is how do we do we read this as a character or character most likely to essentially get that mortal blow and come back again? Let's give it to the mountain because I don't like Bruce Bolton on the hound around. Oh, I thought that you meant. I thought you when. He when he came back from the dead, but you just meant he came back from from the almost dead and working with a a church sector. Whatever aid. We give it to. I think both make for good answers. Yeah. God. Maybe maybe the hound. I like the hound here. Okay. Well, how about best beard? I mean for me. This is torn giants fan. I don't know about you. There's no one else. Moving on the best Instagram stories. Let's pretend Instagram exists in west rouse. Who would have the best stories? Oh, man Varis. Imagine the things he sharing on Instagram or sharing or you know, you'd be the guy who's always hitting things. I guess we're I am guess what? I'm doing. Hey, he'd be that guy. It'll be the best and the worst I voted for jock and gar here because he would have a different face every time. So at least it would be interesting to watch his stories all the time. And it wouldn't you wouldn't maybe grow to resent this person for all the crazy shit that they're doing all the time. That's a correct answer. All right, next up most likely to be an obnoxious YouTube commenter, the Andre joy, I get rage out. Somehow. That's a good answer. I was gonna say the high Sparrow. But of course, he's dead. I feel he would just be constantly posting holier than thou bullshit on every video. My my real answer was the hound just because he's so sad. And I feel like he's he would just be like he would type S U X under every video that would be on on YouTube. I can't imagine him ever being impressed with anything. But yeah, I like the Andre joy. I feel like that's the right answer here. All right. How about most likely to share a fake news story on Facebook? I want with Khyber n- because I feel like he's always even if he doesn't fully believe it. He's always trying to like rile shit up, and like, you know, the cause confusion, and and just sort of. Create an environment that he could maybe take advantage of. And I feel like that's probably the big point of sharing facing fake news on Facebook. What do you think I the opposite direction because I'm actually buddy who who would be continuously fooled by fake news post them, not knowing that's John's, no. Yeah. Johnson was pretty naive. Johnson has a Vic category already in Khyber in doesn't. So I think maybe Cameron. All right. All right. So cutest couple who do you have here. Oh, salmon Geli I full disclosure. I think Gilly having sex Osama Therese saves from rape is one of my least, David tropes and Allah fiction. But once they are settled in a couple of 'em, and you're like sort of living together as his family unit. It's there so devoted and so adorable, and you just know that Sam would actually die to protect her and she's really into him, and they feel like a real bickering couple in the right way. And they're they're gonna last those kids I have the sandy and grey worm. It doesn't have that necessarily like that that same like reward sex equals reward vibe that that Sam Geli have which is not like terrible in the show. But it's like it's a little uneasy, and I feel like my sanity gray just like fully on the same page. I'm thinking back to that scene. Where Tyrian is trying to drink and get them to like tell jokes and stuff, and they seem to like, I don't know they seem to be that couple that like. Knows that slyly smiles at each other and knows something that nobody else knows. And once they get home. They're just like completely comfortable with each other. I don't know what do you think? Man. I you've convinced me, I think in grey, worm and. I think that game of thrones is often gratuitous when it wants to be sexy and the scene where they're intimate together is actually one of the few moms game of thrones where sex feels generally romantic. Yeah, it's great. And I think it should be there best character to get drunk with. Oh, terrier Lancaster. That's who. I have as well. I don't I feel like maybe we should scrap this because he already has life of the party, and it's probably kind of the same thing or maybe we scrap life of the party and just keep keep this one. What do you think I think we scrap this one because I think left the party involved being the guy who buys everybody thinks to all right? And then the final category. Do you wanna read this one person you most want in your corner? I feel like I know where your head is out on this. And the answer is probably Braun of the blackwater Serb-run that who you know. That's not who who'd you put. I'm curious what you put now that that's actually who I put I feel like Branca's has proven himself to be that guy. Who is always. I mean, he may bitch and bicker with you all the time. But he. He's got your back. I don't know. What do you think? All right. Here's why I I adore broaden. He he's my he's my bad boy, but broad needs to be paid to be cornered. You know, who devotes entire life? Do you fights? For you argues for you in front of the iron Bank would die for you changes sides for the writing full for U S Davos, SeaWorld O C worth. Yeah. That's the right answer. That's the better one. I like it. All right. So do we. So that's all of the categories that we have do we want to scrap any of these looking back over the people that we've sort of signed these these particular superlatives, I think we scrapped the right ones. And I'm happy with this real quickly though. Do you want to share your rankings of seasons? Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. So for me. Yeah. From worst to best. Here we go season seven season five. And first of all seasons seven just because the pacing issues that we talked about at length last season. We actually wrote a bunch about this. You can find it on slash film dot com. Encourage people to go back and read that and like the beyond the wall episode. Just completely like my mind was blown in the in the total wrong way when that happens. So. Yes. Season seven season five season to season six season three season one. And I think the best one is he's four, you know. I think we're mostly on the same page of your banned from worse. The best five seven two three six one four. Oh, yeah. Very close. Just a couple little switches in there. Yeah. That's all right. I think we did Jacob. Did we have we done it? It's it's an hour and fifteen minutes we've been recording. We've done it loves to that all remains for those. Who wonder how Sasha has made is offline Bennett, I will split these up her write him up in a post and publish them later this week or by the time, you listen to this there should be live. But now, you know, how we got. Here. All right. So that's going to do it for this episode of slash film daily. Thank you all for listening. If you want you can rate and review and subscribed all of that stuff on all the different podcast platforms. That's where you can find the show. It's published every weekday, and you can also just go to slash home dot com and listen to the episodes stream them directly from there as well. Please send your feedback questions. Comments and concerns to us at Peter at slash film dot com. If you have any questions any particular moments that we may have left out that you feel that we left any agreed just moments out then. Yeah. Shoot us an Email, and let us know what you think be sure to leave your name and general geographic location in case. 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It was a couple of weeks ago. But i wanted to want to let you know but that was like you know what she talked about. How hard of a time he had after you know humiliating herself. How she was just spiritually broke again. And i was like you know what. Let me just leave this young black girl alone and not bring up some old shit once again and myself. Whoever the fact like frankie's daughter one said i changed my art. But we'll get to that. I'm sure we will anyways. Let's get our ball rolling hair with some black excellent spurs of ball. I cannot believe that. I've waited until just now to highlight star and a black excellent star. That won t s madison. Who is the first black trans woman star in and ep her own reality series the tes matt experience which has been on we tv for a few weeks now and i feel like we congratulated her for the show definitely. Yeah i ever made her blaxland might have made her black excellence twice. I dunno i know. We talk about madison. Not infrequently on this show. We definitely said something. When was first coming out. We've both been on madison show which is exerience for your ad But yeah. I'm happy for her. This show is fun and cuteness giving a lot of people Access that they did not have before. So i hope she's not getting too much bullshit from on the internet but yes love madison summit. I mean if anyone is bill for that type of shooting. That's true if there's any one person worried about the things. Madison said to me when we was just sitting at the table. Get not make good. I was like oh. This is a bad pitch so gray and deserves all of the things. So congratulations again. miss black. Excellent doll diva. This is just the beginning. And you look so good. And i love your mom on the show and it's great and i'm so proud of you and shot to miami also this week. I'm giving blackhawks lens to an eleven year. Old boy named dominic darby. He won a coating. Competition is a competition called x prize. Connect code games. This is an eleven year. Old student from saint catherine jamaica which is the parish that both of my parents are run from to stay so apparently one of seventeen winners out of three thousand people that joined this competition. Apparently seventy other participants were from jamaica. But this eleven year old one in class he got a thousand dollar cash prize in the junior division all for developing and coating his own video game called how to fall where it says on black business dot com. The game character moves through multiple levels while getting away from different obstacles. Sounds like a platformer to me. His mother who named joe because of corkwood catch but she said that dominic was a summer program at university of the west indies. Are you e as my family calls. It He self taught himself by reading books. Levin books watching youtube tutorials about coding. And you know now. He's set to probably developed one of my favorite games in the future. If i make it that. He's eleven girl. Eleven years old. Well he also enjoys playing minecraft and roadblocks still eleven my heart as well as chess. Antennas he plans to study computer science and work in the same field. Somedays congratulate making king for being you know smart and having fun and make gains could have been me apply. It wasn't a lazy fucking mania eleven. Stop this but for this little boy. Blacks really has a hold on the children. That should something else. Oh and it won't let go. What comes mellow comes over to my house and be like so. Can i have some roadblocks like last time she literally was like. Just stay right there. Just keep your face real still for a second and then tried to hit the double click button so that she could pay for road blocks with my face. Idee like no. You're not loan like i love a hustler's spirit the lastest brooklyn through and through talking about blocks for so she could bust fearing a black girls. Wanted to buy an outfit. I'm like okay is air. That's how it gets you to you. Think for someone on the outside of gaming looking in you'd think that you spend all of these coins on like things that make the game easier to give you an advantage now and really you're behind like platforms sneakers glass and a new wage for your and what. She had a roadblock she was like. Oh this i know. Premium option not getting that shit price looking perhaps rights girl. All right see kills me okay. So this week in hot tops bottoms of the southern wild. A dating website. Coming to you by me soon in the fall over not wait for this instant best-seller sort last week. We talked about kirk franklin and how he had a very upsetting phone call with his sign that went his son carry on who posted a clip of his father. Carl him all kinds of paolo and skinny and threatening to break his neck. And all these other kinds bitch ass audit. Yeah all of that. You know we talked about you. Know anyone but eon la kirk anyone and don't get it funds. I live for ms von zahn. Do you understand me. Said i love her so much. She gave me a hug. At essence that one time and it made essence all were thing like i love yawn I personally go there to deal with real life issues of mine. Probably not. But i'm waiting for like the dating spin off or something that she does to audition. I mean it's just that ian lee is not a licensed mental health. Counselor really what that is for me like oh this is fun. Dressed up as therapy and therapy. It is not. It's a bunch of skits young telling me against spit into hoes making them hold baby dolls. Shit she is. I mean you cannot deny the entertainment. She had that little girl. Chris brown's Karachi had mashed up in titties that one time and she literally ask. Cradled that girl in high publicized break. Have you ever been cradled by big bosoms or whatever it was that she says hey and you basically said demand me the thing it was. Do you need right now. And the answer was yes. Routed me ma right the end so did her best. You bet such a powerful hug probably really gave her peace. It was like this class. I'm going to do it because like jokes. Aside the embrace of a black woman. That sincerely gives a fuck can turn your that. You can go right from the off the power the power of our queen. Yeah it's just not there be. yeah you know. Consider that So kirk and his wife did and they went on tehran. Hall's show and steve's they spoke again about how the family has been dealing with you know rocky relationships with carry on for a long time. They've gone therapy and back and try to all the different methods. It sounds like carry on my actually have some stuff mentally and emotionally. That is like tricky for him but they kept coming back to the fact like he's thirty two like he's a grown man now so the aggression from him is different than when he was a kid because like now he's grown one assume that he's probably taking care of a lot of his own needs maybe regardless now that he's in his thirties i guess he feels more comfortable. Speaking of it spicy is what they were trying to. Well relatable for me personally you know i mean well hello and so relatable went into talking about all of that and shit and again it was just like. I don't know who needed this. Like i known that the purpose of this interview much like the video confessional. Van kirk posted before was a way to like get his gospel purchasing fan base to understand why he was like that. But it was like kirk. Lind vitol's moved at all behind. You cursing this nigga out of them were like to have said hurtful crushing and toxic things to my. When i was upset. So no biggie. Feel like most of them are. This is not you know. Had kirk franklin been caught doing something gay with a consenting grown man. It would have been than this way more. I mean career done so dr cheating with another woman like any sort of cheating when viewed with more more spice than this here. So i don't i didn't see this tournament hall segment. I knew that they had announced. But i didn't know it already. Air can't speak for yourself. But i'm also right kirk. Franklin and his wife. His wife is not this boys mama so that's one thing but also this voice could very well be saying the same thing that these two are so she is according to them anyway because they said that she's a great woman they will all work together. His new wife included and this is mississippi. He may been dealing with for a long time. His wife dade say though She wasn't on that call as people assume that she was and that at some point afterwards. Apologies were exchanged. They got a mediator back. You know in line or whatever online and that they like had at least agreed to get back to you know fair beer counseling or whatever after this so she felt like provided more like helpful information than anyone else because she was liking at least according to her they were able to apologize to one another afterwards and tried to like. Pick things backup. Do with that what you will. Mama was definitely there as her christian husbands y. Krizner herself and was like yes. I'm the first lady of imagine you're getting well. You're gonna understanding this dot com for my man or for our family. Yeah it's very interesting that the person who has the least do with the story is the one providing all this forgiveness context. It's like everything's so great and everyone's agreed to go back to counseling. How come the three. Y'all aren't on the show. right now. Said they reached out to the to carry on and heard no response back. Oh exactly exactly so. We don't need to act like everybody's all good now because clearly everybody is not and this is more of a an image thing or a branding thing for kirk and his wife than it is about actually addressing the truth and honestly that's also fine but don't try to play me about it. I don't care same thing. We put up video apologizing to us. Like sweetie bray. I'm not the bitch ass. Nigga you didn't you didn't call me. Broken takes over and again interesting that the person who was not on the call and didn't say these words nor was the recipient of these words is the one making sure we know that. Everybody's i'll co-pathetic okay. So let's me know it definitely is not but okay. Good luck and guy did Move me randomly tonight. As i was getting topics together across this video of marla thomas. Menino niece only slaughters mom. She posted like i guess. Her son also deals with benzyl health issues and he had like a psychosis episode or something. Recently in the police were called. And you know luckily didn't end in tragedy as most ray. You know many Stories where police are called on black folk. Do especially if that person is dealing with. You know a mental health episode right But she just did like an instagram thing. Like twenty some odd minutes long where she was just talking about the struggle of dealing with not one but two of her children that deal with mental health issues and how much fight. It is right and like she was crying. I'm crying watch And i could see the fight in this woman and the love and her heart and she was just like. I don't care how long it takes if it takes dying breath. I'm never going to give up on my kids and is just like the fact of the matter is getting them. The help they need is hard enough but also for many of them incredibly unaffordable array. Like unless you're like wealthy wealthy a lot of people can't afford to give you know their loved ones. The help they need when it comes to these sorts of issues and shit like that and then on top of that being black. We don't discuss it saying like kirk. Franklin probably whoever represents him worse shook up in their boots not only because this nigga was cussing it went public but because something very sensitive in his family is gone public. And i'm sure they don't want nobody to know that because tons of that shit in the church and nobody ever want to just talk about it and it's not going to go away because it's not the parents fault it's not. The kids fault is just the way bit shit pans out for people. Sometimes it's difficult but that lady's testimony. I tell you when we'd like i was all in my sounds really beautiful. Yeah i mean it must be rough. It really must be rough supporting adult children who have mental health issues. Because then you're control is even more limited save sold limited. Yeah and you still have to take care of yourself and any other dependents under your own care so them i didn't see. I don't think i've ever heard anything from monis mother or ever even really seen her mother before i think she had. I think she was on like an episode or two of love hip hop I don't really remember too much about the relationship that monessen her mom have if it's good or bad or whatever it is i know that monet's had spoken before about her brother's us But i guess whatever happened. Recently the police were called out there in india talking then basically the it was a lot but it was just like i wanted to hug her so bad because i felt genuine at least to me whereas this morning and i'm not minimizing any of the issues that are going on in you know with kirk franklin his family but the tamron hall thing just felt more like damage control of casual like i want to talk about the issue that is that i'm facing with my assign and expecting our family would have preferred us never having heard about this at all whereas marla was like no. I want you to know that this happened. I want you to see the. I want us to stop asking like it doesn't because it's killing us. Two very different approaches and really my heart goes out to everybody because shame not easy anyway. You slice is so best of luck. Speaking of plies. We mentioned that he took his team. He removed his gold T- not too long ago and celebrated by smiling and every goddamn picture he's taken the stance not mad plies again. Congratulations guesses followed suit. One twenty-one savage british bad boy think he was british yeah so he also has moved. The goal grill recently spotted sporting a brand new best. Is they're still no word on when he plans are if he plans on removing the master sword from the middle of his goddamn face. Probably never but you know. He's smiling brand new and good for him and you know ambrose also taught him to eat vegetables and drink water so i imagine this will have said something to do with it. I forgot that he and ambrose used to be together. Do they have a baby or she had a baby with somebody else. she was. Okay yeah the. I've never seen this nigga. Look this easy breezy and beautiful in this damn patio chair with a half smile. Just tossed across his face and hair blowing in the wind. He just looks eight does look at. Pc looks joyful. Yeah it looks happy. With his decision he starts it. I'm sure his parents or guardian is also a happy with the decision. Remember apply say that his mom was like i got my son can you. And she felt like she was looking at the fuck shot. John damn well okay twenty. What's abbie gifford goofy you if that is what you felt was good for you and your dental hygiene than i am proud and before you i just want for you to take this fucking lancaster family dagger a knife so funny should will never not funny. It's never not. I'll laugh at sadie pines about one is speaking of shady pines. Did we talk about. No this is way off topic. Never mind continue. I was gonna. I can't remember if we talked about but we had to. 'cause i know we talked about. How terrible utica did but elliott in that And that golden girls we their going back to. We know but ask them thanked me for brady. No no thanks for bringing you back because now that you mention it you just reminded me of something that i've wanted to go ahead and point out which is that not only are basis. Now one of y'all when it came to critiquing performance mentioned the fact that she said she was rue mcclanahan but was playing blanche. Devereaux rue mcclanahan was not a southern bail. She didn't even have a southern accent. Naturally she was a fucking actor and every body that was judging her was acting. R- mcclanahan was blades. Why did nobody ever point out that you said you are blanche devereaux gun. But you shouldn't have an you couldn't have because you were terrible. It was so bad it was. I mean imagine that the critiques. So awful that you personally. The wrong person didn't even make it into the cut for like the actual episode. Airing like you didn't. Even you said you were ru mcclanahan and then you did not actually give us room mcclanahan and that would have been damn near impossible. Because people mainly know her as blanche devereaux so it really precision is really important but you know never mind. I'm sorry that. I brought it up because now looking you deserve people at also watched maude and also saw other things. That room mcclanahan do. We don't know room mcclanahan. As a person i mean. That's the thing so say blanche like it would have been one. It would have been like if you said you were betty white but all of your jokes were rose. Nyland's betty white wasn't. Jim waited on things right. Like that's not so lady really. Isn't that right. I really expected someone to be like so also room mcclanahan actor. That wasn't that and no one did it. So that also urged to fuck adamy. Thank you for reminding me hair flip moving along right. Jamie fox will be playing. Boxing legend mike tyson in a limited series. That is apparently being shopped around to various networks. As let's at the at the moment yes and he's this has been something that's been in the works for a long time. He has been attached to this Tyson role since like the mid twenty ten twenty fourteen. And i don't know whatever the you know. It was like in developmental. Hal or whatever i guess for a while but now it seems like you know it's go. Excuse me antoine. fuqua directing martin scorsese's in executive producer. And jamie fox is starring as the wanna newly mike. Tyson himself so this oughta be interesting. It really It mostly interested in. Who's gonna be playing robin gibbons. How much of the truth down there. Yeah and also who's playing evanger vander holyfield's ear. I'm willing to do not the air negative. I i kind of want there to be like a slow motion. Close up of the piece of ear falling to the mat. And i'm willing to play the piece the earpiece think we're going to get the splat think we're going to get the slow. I don't i mean part of me is like i don't really see jamie fox as mike tyson like that is kind of a stretch for me but i mean yeah yeah it is I'm thinking more of like in like build away. I just imagined that a picture of him him onset or whatever and his body at some point i think last year or so so he definitely like got up to the bill kind of also. The kind of looks like mike tyson really because i'm looking at pictures of them side by side okay. He looks a little bit. That would help. Like i was having trouble Visualizing it but yet if he managed to like. I don't know if he was on roy or whatever but whatever he did to to Get a taste has heart or that. Whatever took But yeah that aside. Jamie fox is actually very talented actor and better at impressions and accents than most american actors. So i think this will be a pretty interesting to watch. I can say. I'm looking forward to it. You're right on the number with me. Because that's the night i was like. I have little doubt the jamie foxx will kill this because he can ask. But i really wanna hear his mike tyson access. I came here for him to speak and move like mike tyson. Because you know he's gonna give it everything so i'm actually interested in seeing this lab. I know mike tyson themselves as berry involved in the production of it. I'm also curious. Like how much of the facts is robin givens right. Are we going to do the doctors or anything. We're just gonna act like you know you an angel all the time. We never violent. But i guess we'll see but i know because it seems like that episode that mike tyson did of his show where he had boost. I'm like mike. Tyson been therapy so he might be really really like ready. To tell the truth he really might so. There is written a book. Because i sure if if legally they could they would read busey like the alchemist. Good fucking letter started at the top and was like first of all already know the to type a negative trial the natives. But you try me. 'cause i'm ben negating you noted and you already know him about him so he's like you so mad at the gays and i'm just trying to feel like this something. You're hiding your about your speed to be pressed about than people like my high thing about this blew my mind you have to on camera and busey sat there and fucking took it started like sniffling and shit sat there and took it was exactly what most black men would have needed to hear in order to maybe take a second look at themselves and like a real and critical way. 'cause a lot of yadav nobody but other black man that's the thing in the gag is they never expect niggers like this that they respect to call them out shit never ever and it's nigga like that that need to because it's always s it can't always be black women and fags that are like hey let's you know civil and respectful and you know maybe if we as black people walked hand hand a bit more it'd be easiest for a easier for us to get where we're trying to cause enough of a fight for us to do in this corner on that corner in that one in the next no pun. Intended right like but you know the out they ever expected to walk into a situation with a nigga like mike tyson that they respect simply the strength of being able to anybody to be like. Oh yeah you're you're sitting a row homophobic and it doesn't make sense. They played his video. Game is kids like this. This is is somebody that they have worshipped like. Of course they don't expect to be told about them so they thought that was going on there. Smoke we drink. Hennessy and talk show about Drugs and guns and gays and women. I'm sure like he expected to go in there and have a good old nigger. Ask time and that is not what he got. So mike tyson really might be to the point where he wants to tell his real true story and and if so that makes the movie vet much better and i'm excited to see this 'cause i'm all for you know the highs that we love and want to see from you know his career in life but i'm also i would not be against him being like accountable and showing stakes he's made and then you know in the press you know. Let me talk about that a bit more. If we can get that great devils please do it please. I win amisi surprise if we don't because you never know So bowel guy. You know looks legitimate clout to riposte this past week when he received lovin and props from one aubrey. Drake graham who i think was just sitting out numbers one two in three for the billboard. Hot one hundred. The three songs. I believe being every song is scary hours to things that i don't even know if that's an ep. Causes three songs. Drake released music hear. Drake doesn't sting. Where he he like like he'll be in between main albums and that'd be like. Oh yeah. I have severed hundred song sitting here on my hard drive. I'll just put forum on. i tunes. He does it all of the. I never complained aches right here. Okay it is three songs long. I like each of them. Well i'm not crazy about the one the one that's like was what's the first song call. What's next yeah. I'm not crazy about what's next. I don't hate it. But i could live without it but once a needs lemon pepper. Freestyle are like embedded in my dna. Oh wow really okay. I'm more of a jersey fan. I think i realized sometimes music wise that could be the case. It should is very catchy. Randomly for whatever reason in a do rag. He drank posted a video. Where he goes. He tagged shattered moss and talks about how he had to pull up on whistle. He kept referring to him as whistle. Which confused me until. I was like all right bow. Lizl people used to say that because snoop dogg was like his uncle industry that But he in the video says something to the effect that there would be no me without bow our for whatever he contributed collect tried to give bow credit Okay i have the same reactions. Generous exact same rational because i was like personal. Bala was out rapping when he was like three actually think every would have been just fine if there was no ballot but okay but as i like like thought about it some more and read i was like. Oh you bay. Both kinds of had eras in their career. Were they were like the semi safe rat guy. That could maybe take your daughter to prom as long. They're back by nine and like is on soda cans and shit like that don't like the wrath with more of the focus on like dating instead of like selling drugs square in the face so i guess that's what he was referring to but just there the frame of bear career separately was so different samir. So different that. I was like what the fuck is talking about. Is this thicker drunk. But i guess. I mean it would kind of be like will smith is the predecessor in that arena the end fully like it would make more sense to be like without will smith and wouldn't have been no lane for me but i mean even given will smith bragging on i mean he probably has but regardless like the vowel. Shout out is weird. But i don't hate it either. It's just kinda like what was. Yeah i mean like clearly. He didn't see at the time. No I mean unless you count growing hip hop i think that's back on I don't count that. I am not mad at this young man getting legitimate credit for something that he actually did rather than like pulling up photos from getty image acting like he was on a jet or whatever. The fuck like ballots career was not insignificant. And if someone wants to give him genuine props they he deserves. I'm okay with that A lot of his decision making individually is questionable. When drake is not drake is is someone who's also like he'll randomly like at a party and take a selfie with someone from the early two thousands and stand for them like he'll bump into amory with two is now and be like cornerstone of my youth. And like you introduce you. He always shows love so anyway. One person who wasn't entertained. I guess by this was soldier. Boy who tweeted that nigger. Drake is hilarious. Stole my whole bar then thanked bow. He's he's expelled then. T. h. e. n. dot. That was important. Y'all remember the interview that Soldier boy did on the breakfast club you said. Could we forget you know and accused drake of stealing his sound or using a line from one of his songs which he did. He did I'd imagine sociable was paid for that. Because i don't think he ever mentioned not getting but what so that makes it not stolen. But i don't understand what this has to do with with him. Is he still manager. What is drake being like. Oh shots abou- does he. Is that what it is. Does he feel like drake should have acknowledged him instead are just so i guess i mean i don. I can't say. I agree. 'cause like i said i don't really see the point in acknowledging bow. Wow so i can't say. I guess say that there was a reason for him to acknowledge them kids. Who came up in the early two thousands necessarily like but i just i don't know the whole i feel like i enjoy a lot of drake's music but i'm not invested in drake as a rapper. So i understand that. So i don't the whole you know. Paying homage to the nichols who paved the way for you and you know whatever other nipsy hustle ash it. They want to say like that doesn't really mean anything to me. Because drake's music is like fun to bop to. But i don't think i'd take him seriously as like a lyricist or mc so. I'm just like who cares if drake been shot you out on an instagram post. You know like. I don't give a shit about that. But if drag is also the highest streaming rapper whatever and i guess that's true. Yeah so. I guess that means something to y'all but like drake drake makes music for you to get drunk to before you hang out with. Your friends will go to the club like that. That's how i feel about. I don't when i'm dealing with anything. That's like hard. His songs are all literally about like whatever girl is agitating him in. Our girls are agitating him in. I message that week. All of his friends whose names we don't know until he mentioned them on a song and then like things we can't afford like you're doing a and and it's fine you know we're having fun but there's also like when i read about. This story just reminded me that. There's a language within hip pop for like the people legitimately within it that i think is attached to ego. That just doesn't make sense to me. And i don't need it too. Yeah yeah. I really don't and they usually when you are like the drake or the jay z. Or you know kendrick or someone. Who's doing fine individually you. Are you get a lot of this where someone is like. Well why didn't you me out. Nigga who because i don't think the drink saying bow you know i don't think that drake giving bailout was not like oprah's favorite things where he instantly becomes the billionaire debut. So we're now exactly. I really did can talk to negus and that would be. You could really right there. So the fcc received around eight complaints about cardi. b making the stallions waft performance. At the grammys. Last sunday they say at the performance was pornographic it was offensive and it was obscene based thought they were too but naked and that their choreography was disgusting. Correct and of course. Most of these complaints were from people in places like idaho literally buy. It shocked me none at all. These are people who probably either have now fucked in the longest time our if you know if ever and they you know. Their blood was boiling at the the image of women owning their sexuality. Because first of all you should be a frequent that what men want. She should do it in secret. Shop god would never want you to be free. Seen needs to be because all this dumb shit. That doesn't make any fucking sense. Furthermore like the complaint now did not shock me at all that they were. Fcc complaints because as he mentioned david hutcheon like that choreography. That at least that little end piece on the band like they were practically savoring so i wasn't offended by any mean i loved it but at the same time wasn't shocked that there were. Fcc complaints for it. But i'm just tired of like the weird virtue signaling performative as bullshit that these mostly white people are doing cardi b. posted a white woman who was watching the woman to react literally cry hanging with no tears of course like crying talking about the children. Girlsgotech black. I'm so tired. All was this not after ten pm or something. Like shouldn't your children have. Hey long in the bed. And i also like i don't a lot of these the people who complain about cardio mic a lot of them are sexually. Repressed are like really religious like nut jobs and so they're not really worth listening to about this in the first place but when you tell me only eight you said only got eighty complaints your shocked way if you're the thought so let me just like eighty. I don't even think i would. About to report that someone jennifer lopez shakira three hundred. Pick for the super bowl like something where they were just on. A paul and piers. Morgan got like fourteen thousand. So we'll fuck are so eighty eighty nationwide yet. That's pretty good. I was actually shocked myself when i saw a pretty good. Yeah but it's like girl like the thing that blows me about this. Many are complaining about this stuff. Know that you're giving up throw in junior high high school stuff like that and the thing is like you're fine. You're you're you're not perfect clearly because you're fucking complaining about two rappers being sexy on stage at a fucking award show. You aren't at didn't have to watch your fucking probably didn't watch give a fuck about either but like you're talking about. Oh the children and the children and shoulder like did you. Children have food tonight. Are your children lie. About what right have they done their homework. You know what. I mean Assuming that they've done all of those saying yes. What the fuck are you fucking bitching moaning about. And if they haven't they you've got way bigger issues to worry about for your kids that whatever the fuck megan cardi are doing on stage in los angeles or wherever the fuck bishops of place. You're fine okay. I listened to ready to die when it came out for like a year after some shit like it was one of my favorite fucking cds and i see dis ever. I'm fine. i was a square all throughout k. Through toil often me guns and drugs in high school. I don't think i would actually like to go back onto the campus and stay out of prison. I skipped class and did like other bad stuff. But i had no interest when i was a kid in running these streets and doing any of the gangster. Shit that biggie and pocket the rest the rappers. I was listening to were doing and many of you on either. Stop the fakes. Like nobody fucking cares. Kids aren't most. Your kids are smarter than me. All these people be grown. Oh my god. Why is that the case like and i mean sadly that is very true but i just you can just be the parent to your child and not expect the rest of us to take that responsibility especially when you are constantly talking about personal responsibility and people being the only ones liable for themselves and their families like especially when that is the thing that you are always talking about otherwise why should the rest of us have to live to according to the standards that you have set for you and your kids. That's your business cardi b. belka lease herself. Saw her baby come around the corner when her music was playing and immediately cut benson on like nothing. The person who made the same song that you're complaining about made sure that went. Hurricane was present on this is not far because why not been abc. You could just do that. You know you could just do that too. And you know that you can only do so much you know like you can try your best to control like the media that your kid is consuming at home but you kinda like they have the phone. They have the ipads they have access to whatever the fuck and when they're not at home god knows what they're fucking watching but what you can do and i say this is someone who's not a parent what you can do is raise them. Entrust you are instilling values in them. That will make it so that they can listen to fucking cardi b. r. n. l. e. chapa or whatever and not be the pokemon ditto running out until the fucking streets fucking and sucking and shooting. Everybody like fun so many of us have done it. Yeah it doesn't have to be this way yala just assholes. And that is that. The justin bieber's received backlash for including two martin. Luther king junior specie said his lately fuck up. Are you fucking kidding. No shut up actually shut up again. Shut up my nigga. No i wish to look. I wish this was a joke. Justin bieber's latest album is called justice. You didn't say was interludes. Begins with ex are from a martin. Luther king's speech where he talks about justice are i think it's where he says. Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. I think that's it okay. And then it's like pop music blood you know like diamonds or whatever there's also attract on their that's literally called. Mlk news it. It's one minute and forty. Four seconds of a very like emotional passionate speech again for martin luther king about you know willie willingness to die for causes that we need to be. I mean like the real emotional shit. This man is talking about as it relates to civil rights being black in america et cetera. Et cetera. Dying for causes which then lease into a song called die for you which is all about how hot some girl is and is the guy and so it's like jusin fire everybody. Everybody from publicist agent. You know eyelash technician. I want you to everyone. Because i think that people have allowed you to to to keep up with this thinking you have some sort of a greasy haired. R&b nigga emir sunk in place and it isn't the case embedded. It is who the honest fuck told you to use clips actual clips of quite possibly the most famous zil rights ever. Yeah on your album. That ain't about shit but dating. You're famous pretty white girl white nothing about this relates to justice. Now what i will say is that apparently they did some he at least tweet tweeted at some point like an honor. Thank god in honor of hashtag justice organizer album was just never mind. I thought you meant the real thing justice Like the theme that starts the album but then the songs not about any form of anyway so. He tweeted in honor of hashtag justice. I'm supporting organizations embody. What justice looks like an action and then tag a whole bunch of organizations including the king center. Which is why. I'm assuming bernice king was like whoa justin bieber girl yet. Banks sure the check right. Yeah right so you know all of that. Was there so lease his people. Do not forget to have that part. But i just cannot understand why no one was like. Hey if we're gonna use audio of martin. Luther king junior's voice lettuce let it. Let's have that in capsule something that actually means something especially since most of your features are black for the longest time. You've been trying to convince people that you light skinned and is should lead to something. It simply doesn't and i. I feel nothing for any form of black backlash. The easily receiving for this is just incredibly tone deaf and dumb. Yeah well there's a couple of things here first of all d. blue. Wish you hadn't told me. Secondly goddamn reminds me. Justin timberlake well third. If you wanted to really make an album about your wife or god or whatever you could have done that and you could have even done that with dr martin luther king junior quotes because he talked about a lot more than just racial inequality. There are lot serve Dr king speeches and writings that talk about You know love for oneself love for a close people around one love for humanity in general stuff about Getting along with each other helping each other. The transformation power of love like there's just so much could have chosen and yet we full negro which leads me to believe that you were dead 'serious when you tell the grammys to stop nominating pop shit. You're ready for that. R&b label and you thought not stopping. What cannot do to get them to understand that. Truly i am multiracial. I need them. I need to be in the army. Category it's frankly disgusting. The act mike. I'm a pop artist. Just because i'm a pop artist. So what can i do. I make you see that truly much sweeter like i just felt like. That's what just trying to do here. Because sticking in clips of dr king's aachen about racial equality in between songs about some girl who so fine and how much you wanna fuck are and how much you love your wife. And i mean presumably about the same person these songs it just doesn't. It doesn't make sense. As one cohesive body of work is sounds like this was the album you wanted to make in the us to black it up so you wrote a very fat ass. Check to the king and made that app. His youtube page has a visualize her for the answer. Leave me alone. If it's fucking people marching through the streets. Last summer i swear to god. No don't just the cover of the album with like that. You know like you know like those time lapse videos in tunnel where you see like a bunch of lights of the cars. It's that with the speech and justin timberlake justin bieber's face smack dab in the middle. Oh god what is that supposed to represent. If this is so fucking stupid is it is about how many things have changed in the in the auto industry since dr king has passed away. What was the point. I also came across while looking stuff up a video for one of his latest song. That features daniel caesar who i have not looked at the same since he got his ass drunk on the internet. Cape for white girls for whatever. He told us to cancel him and told us. Don't buy i'm standing and then give the on who i haven't heard anything terrible about yet but i do enjoy his voice. You guys helped me figure out how to say his name and my god his. Dm's must be insane because he is a very good luck young man with a great voice. I leave it was like him singing about getting weed and california. Probably going to freak big. If it's just. I'm tired. Yeah i see i just looked it up and i see a list of all the different organizations that he sa- wrote a check to and you know most of these are really great. If not all just taking a cursory look at it but Again what does that have to do with the music. That you are performing. What does that have to do like. Why is it on your album. Why can't racial justice and social quality. Just be a thing you talk about. Why does it have to be randomly showed into this album. That isn't about those things at all. Because he wants he want that. R&b label goddamn like the album. Title is just a play on his name. It's not even because it's good. Lucks i don't even gave up in the middle because we have one more story. Okay so sweetie single. This is all our fault. We just talked about how cute a couple see was with quaver like three weeks ago. Now she's not They likely broke up the day after. That was probably did. So i these rumors of a break between sweetie and cueva will happen win. You fucking freaks realized. They weren't following each other. Or whatever anymore which bounce back to that but then she did some interview with justin comes. I'm like on that new thing. he's doing. Oh god i. And they were like asking her these questions. That were pretty messy. And she like. I think pretty did a pretty good job. Dancing around them and being charming without telling all her business at the time. But you know up break. Up break-up break-up was being swirled around so she eventually tweeted. i'm single. I've endure too much betrayal and hurt behind the scenes for false narratives be circulating that degrades. My character presence don't band-aid scars and the love isn't real intimacy is given to other women. I'm mostly checked out a long time ago and walked to a deep sense of peace and freedom excited for this new chapter of elevation. He man Oh god where's his response. It's sombor until the story share nine there But yeah like she gave ya a very classy relatively well written and response to whatever the fuck it is a shower talking about Yeah and i. Honestly i love it. I love this. She says she mostly checked out a long time ago. And now it's over. So like shoes she. She disengaged emotionally when she felt like it was time and then she left the relationship when she felt like it was. Tom and i don't have no problem with that. Quavo responded on twitter. Saying i know you want to make this into a show so i play my part just this one time. I don't normally put my business out there especially my personal life. I feel the need to address this. There are no false narratives. I had love for you and disappointed. You did all that. You are not the woman i thought you are. I wish you nothing. But the best to that last week sweetie quoted in re tweeted it simply saying take care and i don't know who her team is but if i send her a bath skin like an edible. I loved that so deeply. Like sweetie this entire thing with the energy of a base know. Sea-going be all right. You were like she is not all concerned and very clearly overrated fed up man future does a really intensive seminar for these because he has to be like. This was such a future. As i said you are not the woman i thought you were. What a moron. Because very notably what's missing is a never cheated on her and all she did was say you cheated on her. She didn't put you down or say anything about terrible about you. She said you cheated. And that fucking presents. Don't make that any better. So i mean i didn't hear a rebuttal of that at all so saying you're not the woman i thought you were doesn't mean anything because perhaps you thought me fool. Perhaps you somebody who would just accept endless purses and cars as if that mattered more to me than having a real relationship and it's fine if that's all that somebody else wants but i truly desire more than that and so me and my feelings are going to pick ourselves up and move the hell on and yes tell a nigga take care like first of all. I looked now. I'm realizing some of my exit. Got mad when i say take care yes even in a good way like take care of yourself while i am away from you. They get mad at that. And i think now understanding why but also when you tell a nigga be well then that means truly. I don't have no more energy to give this. I'm not going back and forth about it. I said what i said. And i am living my life now. So however you feel is however you feel that don't make no nevermind around here. I'm fine. She should be like an as she would be like that girl. I'm sure her. Dm's are bursting right now with migas across across the spectrum. Just every type of man that you can imagine is probably trying his art. Her phone was like bitch. You either go. it's hard these notifications off on so if you continue to play with me so cut the shit off or at least put me on the indie and so i know quavo is her because the thing about this city i mean maybe not. I don't know these things but the thing is true. The thing is like these will cheat on you. Continuously with no intent on stop and no feeling like it's even wrong but at the same time will love you like be like crazy about. You would just never feel like they're going to stop cheating. Should go anywhere and made that as a good thing and you know. Oh i heard the latest fancy rap nigger cars. What's the problem. So i wouldn't be surprised if that nigga is like over because momma said take care and you're looking at this beautiful girl that's quite likable. A walk right into the next so many popular songs out in like only growing in popularity from here and like did not actually mead. You like you didn't say sweetie from some life of at all of poverty and despair. That girl was doing just fine. She has so much going for her and she still does like. Thanks for the car i guess like am i supposed to. I just want i. I hope that younger girls generation these mid twenty girls late twenties and younger. I hope they see the way she responds to this and say Actually don't have to settle for bullshit. Nigga is rich. Actually i can actually have my own standards for how i want to be treated interrelationship and not compromise on that when it comes right down to it. Because y'all can't do that you really really can do that. You can demand you are jess and you should then ain't even got to be rolls royce raised. Gotcha the latest jordans. He could just be paying your cell phone bill and you still don't have to tolerate that. You're on his netflix. Account for wines like anything that you dislike the benefits. I was very very entertained. And i will say sweetie loved it. Made a bid sprout was like and the thing about it was like to do all of the. I'm disappointed that you did all of that. All what quavo have utah the motherfucker breaker on internet. Before like have you been way worse with public breakup. Like even your own grew post screen shots and tag. The beach cheated on him. When it gets way way messier than this. And i and thing about it. Also i caught his like. It doesn't take much from a nigga that has influence and popularity for motherfuckers. Doron right behind him. Be like 'cause a lot of necas and even other black women were like well. He has the right to feel feel way for her. You know bringing their business social media or whatever the fuck. I'm like first of all. Y'all brought her business association. You are the ones with your rear to ask after your browser plugin whatever the fuck it. It is that you use to find out that people don't follow each other anymore and it to all of these blogs bid by the fuck are asking her about it asking him about it in their mentioned these in fine she. Finally you know discusses it and that's why when it was like one cueva was like normally put my business out there. Y'all were on red carpets. Together you cozy each other on social media together all the time you any others music videos. Yes you do videos of. Are you like asking each other couples questions for the internet. You put your business out then period. Don't want the bad parts to come out there. Which is understandable but this woman has every right to be like since we're talking about it. Yes i'm single. Here's why god bless everybody right. We registrants for that. That's another thing like it's also her business. She was also in the relationship and so if she wants to say i'm single and this is why and not actually put you down or drag you or disparage your name anyway. Then you being like ad. I normally don't do this and i think he was. That type of woman is just foolish really because she didn't actually say anything that would make you seem like a bad person unless you consider cheating to be equality of terrible person in which you know that's up to the people themselves to determine but like all she did was tell the truth as it happened to her and what. Your response didn't actually refute any of what she said so really. I think his feelings was like he was already in his feelings. Probably kind of in disbelief. That it was nothing he could buy. That was going change. Because like you said i do think he really does or really did deeply care for her but nigga field like they can deeply care for you and still have other pussy all the time. So i shouldn't be a problem. You know engineering and clearly assisted infield that way so i just don't have any sympathy inside of me for man. Who knew he was doing wrong. And then is hurt that a woman actually enforce some consequences on his ass because it don't happen near nowhere near enough normally y'all rollover and take shit over and over and over forever and ever a man so i don't have to feel sorry for quavo. Maybe you won't cheat on the next one that you really give a fuck about all we will off okay but try to gas like this girl on some. You're not the women. I thought you were and all the lights or like the migos fan base was going to be like. 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That's all i know in french. Because decks is laboratory what is due for mize's alma would mean. Yes if that was how you pronounce dating. Yes that would be it so it's not gonna be like fuck you bitches not so i'm gonna just leave it alone but we do have a quick question here from sasha browse who wants to know if you watch attack on titan. I do okay and if you if so do you have any theories on how the season will end. No because i'm all the way behind. I'm in the middle of season three and i'm literally trying to catch up now like i've had it on the list of things i need to catch up since this latest season started. And i'm in there now. But i'm so i've been so busy lately i haven't been able. I haven't started his new justice league. Snyder cut shit. I'm always behind on drag race. I'm like everything that i haven't even been gaming as my so. I gotta try yeah. You're working a lot more so but The i am gonna try and catch one attack on titan soon because it's like one of my favorite anime in terms of pacing in the way that tells it story so okay yeah i don't know how it's gonna i couldn't predict it. It's very twisty turny show. But i love it. I'm ready for you. Get caught up on drag race. I want you to see who left last friday. Wade i finish this. Last episode was the beast one this last episode the beasts guitar. The one where someone was on it is very yes. The one with the pop commercial was at the last. Yeah okay so then. I know okay. Yeah that was overdue if you ask me but it was no change because we love our elders but it was time so let's get started here are first letter let's start with winnie who says i have a sister named jada and okay. That's the first sentence. My name is and listening jada. I'm a teacher and our end. My nephews go to school in the same district that i work for. I don't work in the same building as them but all curriculum and technology is the same for every school in the district. My sister jada is not tech savvy at all this pitch literally just learned how to use cash up like a month ago today. She sent me a text afterwards. Saying call me a sap. And when i called her. She started asking me. If i had been experiencing any glitches with my students submitting their work. I said no. And she told me that. My nephew's assignments coming up missing and she's adamant that he had actually completed them because she and her husband watched him do the work. She also told me that she had already snapped on his teacher but plot twist his teacher is my friend. We taught together for four years prior to transitioning to different grades. Anyway i told my sister to send me the screenshot of my nephew's alleged completed work and based on the screen shot. It does look like he has finished it. However i'm not a fool. And i had my nephew insist their hop on zoom. I made them log into the program to show me. He completed the work. And as i fucking suspected the screenshot and the website are not to say. The screenshot says he's completed twelve assignment. But the actual website reveals. He only did four. Not as nigga is putting on a show talking about where to. Oh that's right young man you gotta committed see it through. I told my sister that my nephew probably altered that screen shot and she got mad at me and started talking super spicy in matters. You asked her why she was talking so crazy and she kept holding onto the story that she saw him do his work as said jada doubt that you saw him do it but he was opposed to complete twelve topics however he only did for. She went off again and said. The teacher probably deleted his submitted assignments. And she's had issues with the school in the past. So she swears up and down that my nephew is being targeted. I said girl. Why the hell would that seem logical to you. And then she asked me how he could possibly learn how to manipulate a screenshot like she. I never heard of you to walking. Katie these kids how to do anything girl the most suspicious aspect of this whole situation. Is that my older nephew. Had the exact same situation happened last week so now my sister really wants me to believe that out of all the kids at the school. This is only happening to her to get me wrong. I'm fully aware that there are teachers. Who have malicious intentions and pick a kids for no reason. But this ain't that situation. I literally just showed her that. This child is lying now. She around up because she's had a number of issues with the school in the past. And i told her that. I'm not trying to criminalize my nephew because i love him but i'm also not his teacher and it is evident from the website that he is not being honest with you so you need to try to do something about that. She wasn't trying to hear it so i told her to go ahead and calm down. Enjoy her weekend and she hung up in my face. I found that to be extremely disrespectful and told her that. We don't need to talk in so she can apologize here my questions. Hey getting hung up on nick. Act like you might as well have spitz. He called the mother a fucking bitch when you hang up on them. The worst okay. I usually keep my nephew's once a month just for fun but now i don't think they want to because both at asu has been shown out late and magazi- lied to my face the off. 'cause this beef with me and my sister. How do i communicate with them when they inevitably ask to visit. My sister clearly trusted my opinion but she was not okay when i had to deliver the hard truth of my nephews lying. I found a disrespectful that she questioned my professional opinion and then got when i sided with the quote unquote enemy was my checks to her. Out of mine should have. Should i have communicated my desire to receive an apology. In a different way. thanks winnie girl girl. This is hilarious. I mean have has have these kids never done anything like mist of as or like are. They just like perfect angelic as that she would never ever think they would like liar. I'll 'cause again. I want us to all think about being young people being children and not all of us but many of us have dimwitted things. We did to try and get out of doing homework or you know our parents finding out what grade we got. Or whatever like that and it doesn't mean that you're going to be a fucking terrorist. So i don't understand exactly why she's getting so spicy with you over something. That should be obvious. Furthermore again are we forgetting that. Kids are technological genius. A youtube is a great example. Like you mentioned the black excellence that i mentioned this week. Dominic darby his momma said he was watching you when he was like six right now he's coded on video game. These kids know how to do everything. So you know photoshop and are changing some other shit around is not. It's it's probably like nothing for a kid. But i couldn't help but think throughout this entire letter like how many like for whatever reason i'm thinking like a plank how many options you had to just jump ship and b. ly girl. Keep it lake. Because i know you love your sister your nephew and ship. But it's like if she's not trying to area and you're not this baby teacher and you're not there fucking paranoid top of that. It's like well girl. I guess. I don't know what are you supposed to do. I don't like i would just be like we'll sister. Why did you ask me like knowing that. I'm a teacher in the same district. You really came to me for reason. So where you just not ready to hear the truth of the matter. Do you really think it's impossible that your child don't know how to photoshop or or pass around screen shots from kids like all it takes is one kid in the class to have submitted. All the assignments of the rest of them can pay. Stay name over. Vote damn part of it and that's that so and especially when your parents don't know shit about technology is even easier to get them to fall for shit so especially like the kids are in the app era where they can do so many of this stuff on their phone. You can do that right. You don't even need nothing special to head right. So let's say like he. Even i myself in high school and college was pretty savvy when it came to photoshop and stuff like that because i needed to be for like a blogging. Whatever fucker i was doing at the time. So there's a lot of stuff. But i knew how to maneuver and shit and again many of you parents probably were also like oh. Yeah this is how. I got away with that or i snug around this blah blah blah. These kids have five billion options of those kinds of things just on their phone or ipad. Like you don't want to. At least he did for right. Admit are just come to grips with the fact that her baby is not being truthful. And whatever experience. I guess he's had with the school as it is. Has her like beef with them. Like do you wanna pull them out and maybe take them somewhere else. Because your your sister siding with the enemy simply by saying Let you might actually doctored off that right. I mean and i can see being skeptical of the school. If you've had issues with the school but do you have issues with your sister. Do you really believe your sister is lying to you like and and does it make sense that your kids are the only kids like who are going through like that makes more sense to you than The website don't match the screenshot. So maybe this little boy did for his assignments. Never thinking that mama would even ask to log into the the school app and see the assignments because mama don't know nothing about it like he wasn't anticipating any actually calling him out and be like no do and do it on zone to share your screen because 'cause cause any does this all day long so she knows what she's doing so i don't think you were absolutely not wrong for the way you talk to your sister or asking to receive an apology any differently like it. Is this respectful. Frankly to hang up on people especially when you was just trying to help like you didn't get involved in this situation. She called you about this little nigga so right. I don't think you're techs. You know was at all out of line. As far as your nephews. First question was like. What do i say to them when they tried to come. Kick it at my house. And i'm mad which i mean that's real Right so you say no and you can talk to your nephew. About how like look. You might en- lot of your momma but you can't lie to me about most schools shit. 'cause i'm not your mama and i know how to work apps like i would just make my nephew be really real with me like i can be on your team and there are times that i will laugh for you but don't lie to me. Let's just let's let's keep it. Let's make a respectful here. But also i would not say that your nephew caused this beef between you and your sister because you says there are adults he lied and and that was unfortunate but he's a child The fact that your sister did all this is not his fault. Your sister didn't have to react like this Your issue is which assisted. Not which a nephew. So i totally. I would talk to him about the lion. But i probably wouldn't be like no you can't Like no can't ever again come to my house. Might be like yeah. You can't come this time because that's your punishment but you know any still love you and i'll see you next month but but now you want punishment because you lied to me. And then that's what don't fucking lot of me. So but yeah girl yeses the she got her guard up and you know better than letting people take advantage of your keys but at some point you do also have to face the reality of the situation like you own sister is not trying to hurt your baby so yeah she gonna have to take l. on that and and suck it up and apologized to you. I don't think you're at a lot at all me. Neither that's weird. Yeah okay Good luck our next letter comes from morgan. Who says i just turned thirty three. And i currently live and work in houston as a community. Health worker for a program that provides supports a low income individuals and their families who are on the autism spectrum when the pandemic started my older brother and his family lost their jobs in income and moved into my house. This hasn't been an issue at all because they are very considerate. An easy to live with. Which girl lucky guy down. however over the last year. I've noticed that their three year old daughter shows several signs and developmental issues that are typically associated with people on the autistic spectrum. Unfortunately my brother and his wife seemed to be in denial and are always suggesting that. The girls behavioral and developmental challenges. Go away with time. I've also noticed that they're disciplined. Strategies are very harsh because they think that she's just acting up especially when she has inconsolable meltdowns for hours. My brother and his wife are very sensitive. People who usually respond negatively to feedback or advice especially when it comes to their child as a person who works with families who deal with autism have been debating on whether i should give them advice about taking her in for a diagnosis another benefits of benefits of early intervention. And i feel like this could change my outcome or her future also considering that they are not employed most states have early intervention programs cottrell commitment that the child could benefit from since they are free at that age. My question to you is. Have you ever been in a position where you felt like you needed to give a friend or family member sensitive unwanted advice when you are almost certain they will not take it the right way. I wanna speak up from my niece. But i also don't want to end up in conflict. Not saying anything for the sake of pieces eating me up up. please help. Thanks morgan morgan. I don't know that. I i mean i can't think right now of anything of like my own experience like this someone in my family But i can say the difficulty of this is. I don't know your relatives. And i can just be like do exactly what i would do this because it'll work you know. I know that if this were my brother sister. Ever i would like i would be incessant. You know i wouldn't be like judgmental or super abrasive. But i think that i would insist that. At least they try to get a diagnosis for her. Because like what's the harm you know. All you do is get information and that situation and if it isn't something that you have to be concerned with great and if it is you've figured this out you know at an early time in the kid's life it sounds like and you can start doing the work that can be helpful for i. It just honestly irks me this this approach of like. Oh she'll grow out of it or oh such and such and embiid. You've you're not a what. What does your breath do you go. You cannot like you would take your baby to doctor to get a shot to prevent whatever you like you take your cadence again. Evaluated and make sure that they don't get you know they have something for measles or whatever whatever the fuck house so like why not do the same thing missing check in on how they are feeling or operating emotionally mentally etcetera etcetera etcetera. I just don't understand why. That's an issue and i i know myself i know that you're she knows you're saying that they're sensitive but at the end of the day you're trying to do what is best and can be life changing for the better for a child and that's way more important than like adult sensitivity and ego and stuff. At least to me so again. I wouldn't berate them or i try not to but i think i would be pretty insistent on being like less to see what's going on in her head less. Just you know figure out how things are going so we know how to approach are especially if you're like also saying that they're like coming down on her are there to what did she say like. They're aggressive with our sometimes when she's having because she has like meltdowns like these hours long tantrums and they are like really aggressive with her about that. This is what. I was talking about earlier and we talk about all of the time like the race of these people but like too many of us wanted. Just we'll stare stuff like this dead in the face sometimes are even just have professionals that we normally trust or should address that are like you know pit opinion this. This is something you might want to check out and would rather just like brush it all under the rug because we don't want to deal with it or don't know how to deal with it or whatever the fuck house and it helps nolan. It helps i want you to understand zero person. nobody right. it's frustrating. It's frustrating yeah i I think more than anything sympathized with the little girl in this story because that's just such a As just a such a difficult position and What the baby needs more than anything is parents who understand her and support her And if not parents than some other adult and even though your brother and your sister in law are like really adamant about not hearing in criticism about their children. It is more important that this little girl gets the help that she needs. Then your brother and sister-in-law nabi mad at you like the i think as as somebody who works with People on the spectrum and who understands how like important is that these children feel understood and safe and supported that like you really have no other ethical option of events to say something about it. And if they're gonna be mad and let them be mad at you because you big and grown and you can take it but the more that they try to act like this is not a thing. Or she's just outgrow it or whatever the the worse off baby is going to be and she don't deserve that so i can say i i have had to to do stuff like this before Not particularly with autism But i have had to tell a friend before that the dumb shit she was doing was putting her baby's health and safety in jeopardy and she was real mad and told me that. I'm not a parent and i don't understand what it's like and all this other shit and i'm like and that is true girl. I'm not a parent but you know why would probably be doing this. Do this stupid shit right here. And that's precisely why. I'm not like a is one thing when we are seventeen eighteen nineteen and childless and going out running the streets and being reckless. Because who cares but you gotta haul ass baby at home and and the things you are doing are legit putting this child safety into jeopardy so i have had had to do that and i just let her be mad at me like i'm not i'm saying like oh you're a terrible person and there's something wrong with you i'm saying like i care about your child and i see something that makes me feel like something is off and your baby is at risk so you just got to be mad at me for that but i'm not saying it's a judge you. I'm saying it's a help and i'm trying to help and you are also trying to help like it's not like you telling them this and then leave them hanging like you. You have resources that you can direct them to so that they can get help with their child. So yeah i kinda think you have an obligation to say something and let them be ma'am. My mother is a speech pathologist and she has had to tell people People who are like close to our family. She's had them like what you're talking about here is is not Just a delay with your child. This is signs of autism. That he or she is showing and they and people do get upset at that and then they go get their baby tested and they realize. Oh yeah. this is what's going on and all. The problem is not autism. there's nothing wrong with being autistic. The problem is everybody's reaction to the baby being autistic when the grown ass people can change their mind and their perspective about the situation. Everybody's em- health improves. Everybody's well being improves. So right so yeah. I would just i mean i understand that you're trying to avoid conflict because nobody wants mess and these have been the perfect house guests and i get you know this is family and super-sensitive but your niece deserves better than this and the older. She gets If they remain in denial about the situation the worst is be so. I would say something. Now yeah as gently as i possibly could. I would say something now but yeah. I think you're better off doing it. Then not End just if you get scared and nervous about it. Just remember that you are trying to help your niece above all else and it's not really about grown people's feelings about that little girl. Yeah peer i the girl. The little girls acquaint her feelings are are really not a priority right now. So donny. van. Let that bother you. Yeah good luck with the conversation. Let us know how it goes. I last letter comes from francine who says by best friend. Sasha and i are almost thirty and we've been friends for most of our lives. We have kids who are around the same age and it was a given that our kids. We're going to be best friends which they kind of are but also they're five so everybody is they best until they stop sharing. Oh man my friend. And i have always been good so each other been there for each other but now i think i'm over her. My boyfriend and i just celebrated our three year anniversary and find decided to move in together for the sake of our kids. I wanted to take to take things extra slow. Sasha doesn't like my man because of some old petty shit that went down years ago and she was hype when we broke up briefly last year but when we got back together. I didn't tell her about it because i didn't wanna hear her mouth to this day. She still does not know that we are back together. This is where the problem comes in. Sasha has been her baby for about six years and for all six of those years she has been talking about how she was going to leave him and we were going to get a place together. She kept looking houses and planning out the room for the girls with the setup would be and how much fun it would be but after the third year of her telling me all these plans. I just said Girl okay stop believing her after years of threatening to leave him a never thought she would actually do it. But this last time was for real and that nigga packed up and left on a plane within a week. Wow since i never thought it was actually going to happen. I never thought i would have to tell her that. I don't actually want to live with her. Even if something had happened with my man and i. I would go back to my parents house before i moved in with sasha. Her life is not moving in the same suggest. Mine and i think i have outgrown her. 'cause i just wanna be around her negatively and do the same things we've been doing for years. What's what should i tell this half hour to let her down. Easy i mean. Do you want to. Because it doesn't sell a bill fra. She's she's been trying to lead us mayor for a while and she finally got the strength to do it and now she's asking me to be there and move in and help out but all that just happen. We talked pretty much every day. But even that is a lot for me and my schedule and i don't know how to handle her stress on top of my own. I know i should've been soda. That i didn't want to live with her. But at this point. I'm into deep. And i thought i had more time. Shit she'd been saying for years that it's over now really is. How do i get out of this. Any tips be great. Thanks francine francine friend. Sasha was going to be bullshit wherever she didn't know sexual with this lady is so fucking funny. She was like. Oh yeah i thought this users could be bullshit implant. Gave this nigga for so long that i would never have to admit i don't like at all and now i don came down to it out. Okay now because you damn sharing all live with or even if you wants because you got to go live with this other even know your way. This is hilarious. So i mean i think that you just need to go ahead and be honest like i literally just said even if you didn't have a problem moving in with her. Whatever you already have rob you already have plans to move in with somebody nigger rate. So you're gonna half the teller that you aren't gonna live with her because you've made plans are exactly and that is also likely going to have to be the conversation where you mentioned surprise. I'm with you probably have good reasons. I hate mind you but we'll leave that alone. I like how you would like some petty shit that went down long ago. Wink wink bit anyway. So yeah you're going to have to go ahead and mention that. So i don't know how deep you need to dive into the ways that she works you specifically I'm always you know a big fan of those conversations with people Year friends so that you can hopefully not continuously be aggravated by them and you can both learn. You know a lot about one. Another and yourselves lot of people don't like to do that. Yeah pit twos your adventure. Since again. You got to move in with a nigga. Anyway you don't want to go into the depths of how annoying you find her because for whatever reason you want is still be friends with this girl that obviously you can't stand you could just say hey Slim me and marquee are getting a place to go over So sorry good luck. I'm hearing good things about you. Know insert appier and leave it at that. But i think that you're gonna wanna do some evaluation on this friendship overall because it sounds like she gets on your nerves big time wherever you're gonna live. I'm so glad you brought that up because like yes you do need to tell her the truth but more than that. I think you're at the point of ending this relationship and that's what you really need to find the bravery to do if i have had to do friendship breakup before for the same reason like we just have grown apart. Now we're two totally different people. And not even necessarily that like i got so much better in. My friend is still doing immature shit. It's literally we are just different now like we are not the same people we were fifteen and so shit changes so I think you need to really be real. Which i self about that like. Are you ready to cut this. Friendship off is it draining you more than his adding benefits of your life like right and it does. It sounds like it. I mean she put in a lot here about everything she has going on and china go back to school and all that so i get that you're like a super busy person But even super busy people tend to want their best friends in their lives. So if if you're thinking about you know this person not being afraid anymore talking about how you think. Maybe you're overheard then. I think you need to give some real thought and consideration to that side of it but as far as letting her down easy. You just need to tell her the next time. Y'all facetime or whatever you need to be like. Look i gotta tell you something. Honesty thought this was gonna be The concentration where you just stay with that nigga and you were just talking and so actually me and marquee signed least two weeks ago. I think i would honestly i think i would rather i think saying i am moving in with somebody else is an easier way to let somebody down. I don't wanna live with you. I would rather say me and my man are planning on moving in together and oops side. I've got to tell you me and my man is back together then bench. Your life is fucking hectic. And i don't want that energy anywhere around me like i would. I would rather say that because at least it's not lying. But i mean it. Sounds like she's going to be pissed either way because she doesn't like this nigga you've been with him for a while now and been keeping it a secret armor and now you're moving in with him instead of her so she's still going to be paid s right but i agree that i feel like it would probably come off better to be like. Oh yeah this situation guy eggs like i don't wanna fucking with you because you're just an absolute manner like if you're trying to spare her feelings then i would go that route in. Just let her be mad at that part of it. I mean men. You know you need to figure out whether this is actually a friendship you wanna keep and then if it's answers to that is no then you need to work up the courage to tell her that. Sounds like that's going to be an issue for you since you couldn't even work up the courage to tell her that you back with a man so right. That sounds like it's probably going to be a struggle for you. But yeah the sooner the better so that she can make plans to have somebody else. Move in if that's the case or you know do whatever she needs to do for her and her child but yeah the sooner the better. You just need to be honest about it. 'cause that was really your bed from the very beginning you know she'd been saying this for six years. I get why you never believed her. But from the very beginning you should have been like if we move in together but like you going along with it leading this bitch. Sending us zillow licks links. This shit and you like three bedroom two and a half bet. That's cute okay. You going along with the whole charade all this time. I would be mad at that. And i would be mad that you felt like you couldn't be honest with me and just say listen love you down. Never wanna share a roof with you because that is also fine like i'm a grown woman. I can handle that. You're entitled to live your own life and do what you wanna do but if you call somebody a friend and you should be honest with them about what's really going so and it's also common knowledge that when you share space with someone like that you really really. It's known them and some people are better being friends who don't live together. That's true that is extremely too. Because i mean you the best friends in the world but y'all live incredibly different lives inside the home jen. Sometimes two people can love each other a lot and not be equipped to share the same space. Very bad if you have opposite. Schedules and one person is wide awake while the other one is trying to sleep in one is a vegan and don't want nothing with animals in the house and other is fucking meat lover. One hates dogs. One hates cats is just yeah. I think you need to be Honest with her right now and then honest with yourself about whether this is a friendship you wanna contain you. Okay men And good luck with that. If you work up the nerve to have that conversation please let us know how it goes less. Wrap the questions right there. We're going to take another quick break. If you have a letter for us senate to ask three to g mail dot com. We'll be right back. 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It is time for the read. Okay i just have To really quick things this week. And then i'm gonna move on first of all last tuesday Right after this episode dropped we got the horrific news out of atlanta. About eight people being gunned down at three different spas Six of them were asian. Women and i believe the other two were white people a white man in a white woman but Six of but people did were asian women and The suspect who is only twenty one years old told police that he had sex addition our addiction and he saw these Different spas is like a temptation to his soul and you know threatening his relationship with jesus or whatever and he wanted to eliminate the temptation and that None of this was racially motivated. Of course a boy would say. That's stupid shit Very clearly racially motivated. When you targeted asian spas and targeted asian employees specifically And you know it's just. I'm not even gonna get into the whole claim that maybe this wasn't about them being asian. Because a fucking course it was like don't insult my intelligence. And furthermore anti-asian hate crimes have been on the rise in this country ever since trump called corona virus. The china virus it has been like skyrocketing. I think is over. Four thousand. And that's just documented cases like that's not even including all the shit that happens everyday that never gets reported to. The police are any authorities at all. So i just wanted to say I know that sometimes minority Ethnic minorities have issues with one another And a lot of that has been talked about over the past week as as far as like the way. Black people in america. Feel like they have been treated by asians in america and vice versa. All of that is super real. Like i'm not trying to take away from the real of that. But also i wanna make sure. I emphasize emphasized that the real issue here is white supremacy and always has been and it is white people's fault at the bottom of it that we have with one another and so when it comes right down to it when people are being targeted because of their race when white people are choosing to murder people of color because they are people of color. I'm going to stand with those people point blank period just when it comes with often just when it comes right down to it we have to understand. That like the issue is the racism. The issue is the fact that we have been taught to have this hatred for one another. The issue is that the two different racial groups have been pitted against each other. The issue is not necessarily the two groups of people that we have been taught to have this hate and and this distrust the whole model minority thing. Asian people didn't do that to themselves. So i just wanted to make sure that i acknowledged that happening and that i talked about The fact that our asian brothers and sisters need nationwide support. They need community-wide support. And the things that have been happening to them As the targets of white supremacy are simply not. Okay it's just not and it's there's no justification for it and you really can't sit here and tell me to my big grown s face that this twenty one year old boy did not go around to three different spots and pick off asian women because they were asian. You can't tell me that when he could have gone to a white strip club and done the exact same thing if he was trying to get rid of sexual temptation. Why did you pick those spas them. Why those people if it wasn't about their race so please save me with the with the fucking bullshit. Okay just fucking keep it rest in peace to all those people who sensibly. Senselessly lost their lives. And since we are talking about a gun violence incident let me just move right on into something else that i wanted to bring up. Which is that. America has just said i think they're hundred and twenty second mass shooting of the year just today which is march twenty second. That has happened today. And it's almost like a hundred million people got vaccinated and america immediately was like okay. Let me pick up my fucking semi automatic assault rifle and get back to work in a weird way. It's almost like the country is coming out of the pandemic you can tell. Things are getting back to normal because is again shot at the fucking grocery store again and it really like looking at these headlines and reading these stories this shit that just happened in fucking colorado. I don't even know if you saw that one because it just happened like maybe right before we started recording. Yeah somebody went into a fucking grocery store in colorado and killed ten people like just now. And so yeah. So it's like america's getting back to honestly honestly yes truly yes and it makes me even more sick. Because how do you look at this country. How do you look at the state of this country under trump and under biden and not see serious serious issues that cannot be fixed by reforming the police or doing whatever bullshit Like fake ass restrictions that y'all have against guns and weapons being sold and all that like it's clearly not addressing the root problems of this country negatives going out and doing the crazy shit. They've been doing people rob in one another because they don't have enough fucking food millions facing homelessness kids who would rather go to zoom school than back to school because they never know if a classmate is gonna bring a fucking gun in that bitch like how do you look at america and thank yep greatest country in the world doesn't get better than that. How do we get here. The governor of mississippi turning down medicaid. Money where where the biden administration is like. We'll give you six hundred million dollars if you will ensure the niggers in mississippi and the governor is like no. I won't do it. We don't believe in handouts like we tried to pay the state of mississippi and we are asking you in return to extend healthcare coverage to the poorest citizens of the poorest state in this country and the governor's just like you know what but now because if you can't afford your own insurance that's your bed and fuck you. That's like that. is this country. That's why we doing all these places. Even the so-called liberal or progressive spaces in this country are still ass fucking backwards when it comes to the real issues of like systemic inequality discrimination racism all the bullshit that this country has going on not to mention how goddamn horny. Everybody is about their guns. It just came last it. Cannot last people cannot continue to be slaughtered and continue to be underpaid and continue to face police brutality and continue to be killed at work. Because they're fucking asian or get assaulted on the sidewalk because they're asian or or called whatever. Terrible things had knicks yale. Go build the wall at him. Because they're latino like this chicken not continue forever and ever amen without something blowing up. So when is america going decide. That enough is enough. When are the white people who keep this country running going to decide that it is time to really change shit not until late. People work irked by i was looking at. I wish i can't find who posted it. Put some new I don't know whoever posted an article that said something to the effect of what the black community can do to support asian community and people can. I didn't say anything to it either. By knew they were going to get eight above. It's like what can the a negro did not go in there and kill them. We're not oppressing the asian population of this nation. We don't have a blend not doing that right. We're not that's not what's going on. What are white people going to do to do to address racism. Yes people can and should be supporting asians but black people cannot undo what is happening to the asian population. Because if we can do it for y'all we were doing for us. So what are white people going to do right. When are why people going to step up. And say enough is a god damn nuff instead of asking us we do about it don't go s abrahams house. She goes save the agents. What are y'all don't do about asians. What are y'all gonna do about latinos and black people entrance people and gay people in every fucking body else who don't fit into what america thinks is right. I was gonna talk about nia too. But i'm gonna leave that so you a militia pregnant went up But yeah i'm just feeling like even though i just got my second fasciitis and i'm very great. Show gracia very. I'm very grateful for it I'm thankful that i will be fully vaccinated here in a couple of weeks and hopefully that will keep me out of the er that is the bare minimum of what this country should be doing for people. Yeah i'm really happy that they finally sent out some Stimulus checks y'all and y'all were able to catch up on some bills and buy groceries for your baby and all that in some tax breaks and all that coming up but it's still a drop in the bucket compared to what people actually need and in a country where the billionaires earned an extra however many trillion over the past year. I really don't want to hear that we don't have the money for it. Fucking find it. I'm done okay. So i don't wanna take time. I'm just going to say we've already. Hardy mentioned law mama posting something on her fucking instagram story. The other day linking a you know transgender visibility to some theory of depopulation attempts around the globe. Borough whatever fucking dumb. She found in her youtube her hotel. Youtube channel play or whatever the fly sustainability. She's posted on her story that she says i'm about to start a heterosexual rights movement girl anti lgbtq bullying. She then goes on to say y'all fight so hard to respect to be respected and some of you not all get a kick out of bullying people for having and option how they dress. How their hair or makeup looks how much money they have it cetera fair so many people afraid to give their honest open because if they do that. Lgbtq plus will hear what they want to hear and take statements out of context. I don't have to prove myself by reminding people that i have loved. Ones of the lgbtq community. When i speak. I'm not trying to hurt anyone. I'm just speaking my truth just like you all. Here's the problem lil. You're not speaking your truth. You're just speaking bullshit. You don't need to start a heterosexual rights movement. Heterosexual people already have rights. They're called rights on. So there's no need for a movement whatsoever. Y'all can do what you want. Furthermore you aren't just being called out for having an opinion you're being called out for saying stupid damaging antiquated conspiracy. Fuck shit. that has no place in anybody's fucking line of sight or in their ears at all you posted shit about how because Zay away did an interview with michelle obama which sickening you could never you have to actually bum rush people stages to go and stand up next to icons so you could never even experienced that level of like validation love and motherfucking sickening. To tell what you have to do is be like. Oh no the girls are trying to depopulate the planet. Any fucking costs and whatever the fuck else we knew that you were on some fucking shady ass transphobic shoot from the way that you handle domi on america's best dance crew a show that i still don't understand your purpose in but you know what we're in today of bing's today of things loma. I'm not even spend too much time. Because i've already spent enough of my time and energy letting you know that you're transphobic but i also today. I'm just going to remind you that you are a loser. You're a loser. You're a loser. Yes you suck. Okay give it up okay. Eggs bacon grids wire. That's what the next song should be. Okay how you talk about us on. How i'm gonna be chained phobic when i'm bow now. That's funny now. You think that's funny. Fuck right off girl and the only people the only people that paid lip gloss any fucking attention where the black drag queens that were collecting tips down at the motherfucking clubhouse and they were the only ones doing good luck getting booked any the fuck where moving forward. I don't understand why so many of y'all can't just mind your own mother fucking business and allow people. The same fucking writes that you're dumb. Ungrateful lass is is is supposed to be out here fighting for many that you already the fuck half meteorites as you already the fuck have and i also want you to stop worrying about other people's children and they're fucking genitals. I said at the last time that i address this. I don't understand why every single time someone under the age of of eighteen or twenty-one says the identifies trans you automatically assume that their parents are rushing them to go get reconstructive surgery or whatever the fuck that she has called a notch or business. Why are you thinking of the genitals of these underage children. That's the real question. You really thinking about kids like that. Monica really so. I don't give a fuck about whatever damn conversation that you n. And doctor doctor rock jenkins whoever the fuck it is that you don't care about none of that shit you sound stupid. You look stupid and your history give stupid. You are a loser. And i need you to accept that and leave people the fuck alone specifically people that fall under the umbrella of l. Or be or g t q a plus and whatever else because every now and then there's a new one but leave us the fuck alone heterosexual rights movement. Do you know how mother fucking stupid. You got. Damn sound whitest nigger that i have ever heard. Heterosexual rights writes miss. You can go to the ladies room. There's never been an issue about whether or not you could walk down the aisle and it'd be respected as as as an actual marriage or union underneath web of the. What are you fucking talking about and talking about people. What are you talking. You should be scared to say something about gay people or gay shit. If you don't actually know what the fuck you talking about you should be scared. Got nothing to do to transgender people. Trying to he and work and that's an issue among many other things like living. Are you like you're a loser and i fully intended to give your black dumb ass break a couple of fucking weeks ago because your ass was on the breakfast club crying and i felt like you know what i'm not gonna pile onto. Although i felt like that was going to be funny to me. I said you. I don't even a pylons. It is black girl and her issues. You know that such a long time ago etcetera etcetera now. I don't give a fuck mama. You're a loser. And i would like for you to very much. Stop discussing anything that is going on with queer people transpeople gay people lesbian people. Unless there's something that you want to tell us about yourself because you can very easily be linked to someone who can help you get the revelation that you need to guess. You can lead people to flock alone in. Stop self hating. That's an issue but if it's not i'll just request that you shut your dumb ass leave it there and leave it at that. None of us give a fuck about your lip gloss. We don't give a fuck about your shoe game. We don't get talk about your boo game. We don't give a fuck about your breakfast choices. We want you to shut your ass. And that's it. And i'm done i just when i saw i was going to ignore her ass anyway but then when i saw that whole how can i be transparent transphobic. If i'm bailout thing. I was just like she simply living. For the fact that people are paying tasks yes and no one was but people are paying attention to you because you literally sound like a moron and so yeah. Those are my thoughts of of loma. I you know. Hope to honestly never hear from oregon i you know. I hope he finds some sense somewhere and lives happy and healthy life. But you know away from a high scenarious. because i'm sick of this shit. And i just don't understand like if you not even going to provide us with any form of legitimate entertainment the least you can do is get off of our motherfucking sack when it comes to like the right like. Why do you have to come to us with this bullshit ass. Fuck shit that you found on on the four chan ass. Hey and ask ray bigotry. Facebook dot com slash big. Ah fuck off. yeah. I mean that's really at loma simply does not provide enough entertainment or quality enough entertainment for me to tolerate this bullshit from her period so she can fuck right off as far as i'm concerned and i think that's going to wrap up this week's check us out at this is three dot com. Follow us on social media at. This is the read Any news from you before we leave. No i will just say. I'm not going to jinx it yet. Something cool may have happened for me today. The yeah that's it. I'll leave that bear but also it is two o'clock in the morning i want for. I'm with let's just do it is to a m. I am going to drag myself through this tuesday by my knuckles and knees. Yeah yes see you next week.

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GAME OF THRONES SEASON 8 EPISODE 5 REVIEW

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GAME OF THRONES SEASON 8 EPISODE 5 REVIEW

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That I have to admit, man. It has not look there's one good thing that you can say about this is that it really hasn't felt like five weeks has gone by pretty fast. Yeah. I have the other guys had to talk about the recap with me. I got Mr. DJ miles over here. What's going on everyone? Joining us again is Mr. Christopher hermit who's not here for a company, but just to use our Anna net, it is down at his house. And he's like, well, you know, what I got nowhere else to go. Some is joining on conversation here. Thank you know. Of course, man. Thank you for being here. You gave some good conversation last week on that. And. Returning also other regular over here. And let me go ahead and put him full screen. So everybody can see him and all his glory. Magin that he's being a good son right now. I don't know where he is is in Florida at the moment. He's in Florida while not asking you. He's right here. Chris creek, Kristen. You got it. Yeah. Happy mother's day to my mom who's sleeping in the room over there. So I'm probably gonna wake her up while I yell about how angry this episode made me. But thank you for having me on men. Can't wait to talk about it. No. You know, what I know that talking about this kind of stuff is being your thing. So thank you for having me on. I appreciate it. And. I guess it's safe to say for us right now that episode five of season eight now, we got one more episode go before this whole thing is done. Not everybody's going to be pleased. You're not gonna be able to satisfy everybody at all some people going to be very happy with the way things are going. Some feature is going to be along for the ride. I have a feeling that they're going to be things that said in when you have something like this where people are going to have kind of mixed emotions people. Don't be clashing. Oh, you just love everything about game of thrones. You don't care you just as long as as as long as this is on HBO in as long as you are a fan. You're not gonna care. You'll loyalty goes deep other people who complain about this. This is gonna be nitpicking that Benny nothing. You know? Now, you one those people who owe it ain't about the book are everybody else's complained. Let me jump on give me some shifts. I can be cool to a lot of people are going to have a lot of things to say I'm saying that because I mentioned it's going to be a mixture of that right now, of course, like to kind of recap with some footage of the previous episode gonna do there right now. And then we'll be back, and we'll go ahead and jump right into feelings. And that didn't show you nearly. Any show you like barely in the destruction that went down in this. I don't think anybody could have antiquated. They showed you the calm before everything happened. I think anybody would have been able to intimidate just how bad things would have got even if you've gone off. And you probably read some of the league's and spoil it is and whatnot. I mean. From a spectacle angle. I don't think anybody was an -ticipant in how this was going to be no it was like a nuclear bomb had gone off inside the city. And I love that aspect from a production standpoint, you know, for people that might have criticized episode. They're not be able to see it. You see everything here on the ground level up top in the skies all different sorts of people perspective, I loved it for that some of this. You didn't wanna see? Oh, so you wanna see everything? Okay. You ask. Good luck sleeping, a nice. What about you, man? How'd you feel about this? As far as what he's talking about seeing the destruction and the death and. And let's not act like we didn't see this coming. I mean, this this girl said I'm fuck all y'all up right now told you it was coming and she pretty much delivered on that on that promise end that threat. You know, it's so funny. You took the joke right out of my mouth, at least we can see it. So it should be completed. We saw a lot of stuff. And then some I would probably say the one positive I will have to say about this episode was actually the destruction and how shot and even showing the first person perspective from certain characters throughout the episode. Great. Ultimately, this is a huge mess. This giant mass. We're going to get into a little again to that. I mean. Christian. You said you said you had a lot of nice things to say about this before we start. Going. L misquoted dramatically. Not. I mean, look the first couple minutes refine. I think the spectacle, again, this isn't a show that lacks for spectacle. At all. I think it dropped the ball so much more even than the battle of winner fell episode in terms of like eight year long on story arcs and being anticlimactic and stuff like that. So I I had a bunch of problems with it, man. But I'm so curious to kind of go frame by frame with y'all and see what you think we'll always like to talk about this from the angle of what we see in. I think that. From one of the things of this kind of dresses, what some people were complaining about at least for me now, regardless what have to say after this. I do think that something that people complain about they said. Look. I think one of the biggest problems that people right now is that it's not what necessarily they're doing our problems with this is not what they're doing is what people are ready made up in their heads. Scher? People already had this. This is the problem with something that's all hyped up. Like, this people already had who was gonna live who's going to die. How this is going to play out how it was going to end and one of the biggest complaints that people said because they always say man well opt out on the years, you just 'cause a lot of people saying, well, I thought the white walkers we're going to be the biggest threat, I thought that was gonna be the last episode, and I've always stood by the decision of the producers and the writers to actually not make the white walkers the final battle because I think over on this before that and the thing that we have here right now is that. Yeah. The white walkers. They were huge threat. They was scary. You know, they, you know, he was ambi-. So that was kinda cool, but the real monsters are. The more human people following for eight. Plus, these people that you thought you knew the human beings, whether they control dragons are not, you know, whether they've come back from the dead or not we still see them as more human than what we saw the white walkers as us at the white walkers kind of just doing what they do. You know, there was the nature of nature. There was no there was no real malice on their part. Besides this is what we we have to take over goodness mission in life. But seeing that, and they don't have any real choice. You know, there are weapons of mass destruction. They recreated thousands of years ago, and it just following the purpose the purpose. They don't have a choice tonight. We saw also the theme of choice. The nearest that I'll top tower in people begged her they say when you hear the Bill because you don't do shit. Everybody's at that point. It you've gotten what you want. Everybody's going to bend that need for you. And she just completely lost it. And she was a moment where you saw an even said this where she said either. I can I can keep what humanity. I have. I can make this person just give into raw anger, and that's exactly what she did. So I always thought that. Yeah. It makes sense to get the white walkers out the way, so we could see just how more horrendous these characters that we thought we always knew how worse they can be are. How are how more wrote he wrote they could be at times? But I do agree that there are problems with this. Now, I'm gonna go reverse here because I know a man over here, I'm very curious to to hear what Christian has to say. And try to make up, mama. When you do this. I mean, I don't even know where you want me to start here, man. Look the problem with that. You said it's like this was very much an episode about choice. Right. Tyrian had the choice to to tell on various John was given the choice like in the option to heed the warning about who she is Danny at the choice after she had won the bells are ringing, right BB. The be the leader that you said you wanted to be right. You could do all of this and she chooses to like give into her worst, darkest purpose? You know what I mean? And it's like, I'll give the credit. I'll give the episode credit in this regard, where it's like, you know, the war's hell man, and they've definitely made you feel that on ground level perspective. Right. Like, you e- the carnage. How brutal some of the deaths were an if forced you in it made you confront this thing that you didn't really want to happen. And I think that the big issue with though is even though it's affected. It's like, I don't think they ever sold Danny as someone like, yes, she can be ruthless and impulsive and shit like that. I don't think after. She's already won the throne. She someone who's going to just straight up, burn civilians for no reason. Like, I don't think the show did enough to earn that. And that's one example of major problems. I have. But like that's the biggest one, you know, what I mean like an and do you think they did enough to earn that moment? Do you really? You know, what I'm gonna tell you something just what I'm thinking about it. Because I want to pass it on one of the questions that I had with the the nearest in here is. How do you? How telegraph do you think it was that they were trying to maybe too much? So her going crazy. There was a point where she was cracked out. She was she was looking he was on. Yes. She was oh meth, man. You know, I don't know. Maybe that that trailer had a had a shot of her doing. Maybe I saw that earlier. But here when Sheikh thing she had going on because she had yet like she had dark circles. All purple is it I mean, I it's in the morning. She hasn't slept for two days airs wrong baby girls been COPA and I'm like, all right. I don't need her. You know? I don't need her to physically look insane in order to realize she's insane. So that's one of the things that I thought maybe they pushed a little bit too far as far as again telegraph in night. Okay. She's going off the deep end right now is a method, but. I do see what you're saying. But at the same time, I do think that there has always been a cold a coldness to Daniel yet. And in, you know, there've been moments where you even have been like sheets. Look some dues down. I'll have any footage of this pictures, but she took a bunch of people down and people just all these is. I'm I'm tired of people making excuses for this bitch. She took Tump due to a dungeon ahead. Those dragons Bernie's guys in in it was it was cold and people thought in fall for years people make an excuse to talk about what she's just being. She's just being a leader. Because nobody's gonna appreciate her as a woman, she has to show strength. That's like the best fucking crazy. What she just did. Now. She's what she watches. She watched it, and she enjoyed it. Yeah. Had no reaction even before when she feeds people dragging. She's like crucified like hundreds of thousands or thousands of people in like a previous episode like in that season when she people the dragon. She's always been this way. She slow people had a doth rocky raid. What was it a car in season to kill all those? We didn't see it. But we know what happened. She burned the witch. You said I've been raped and whatnot. All she's this whole time. She's just been like no one's gonna stand in my way to almost a psychotic level share with her. And but a lot of people just they missile track because but she love. With that. She's think it's been shown early on that she she has these tendencies, but. Yeah. It's it's interesting because I like seeing her go into this Matt Queen descent, but I think the execution fell a little flat because there's a point where. Yeah, you hear the bells ringing. She's won. So although we've always seen these impulses of Danny doing this from the beginning. It was always calmed down by like, hey, you want you got your dragging. You know, you got your armies your cool. We're cool. Right. So I don't understand how she pretty much one. This what drogue on a load, and then now she wants to flip the switch somewhere. I. Little sheets. She never intended to to to do that. I think maybe she thought maybe just maybe he's like in my what maybe they got a point. But the the plan was always if you had a second thought it was like, maybe I shouldn't do this. But the plan was always derided im- burn everything down. She made it clear, she said, I. The plan is some data shit going on with her. You said the plan is to not know. These do these people many kids. They need to go so future. So there's a history written about me about how I wiped out. Everything stood by my word to make peace later. And then show is goes to that did this to make peace. I did this because I want to bring order she is a big of a tyrant as anybody else. And the plan was never to like so future generations can appreciate what I've done for peace. She's no plan is always at least the way I see. It is always people read it about her fear her and she says in this episode that look like, I guess, it's fear. That's all I have. And they even set up the previous season where it's like, I came to this continent and to free these people, but none of them like respect me or love me. Like, she points. The John like all these other figures that she's around science like they care for these people, but not for me. And so she feels isolated like, okay. Well, I don't care about these people. Then these are just these are just my subject she treats in the same way that seriously does disposable. And I think that's always been their wears an Esso's all those people look up to her because she freed them as a whole different culture over there. So that's why I think she felt more just kind of like. I don't particularly care. And that's why she went on this unbridled rampage. I would just say if I if I can jump in for half. Please. The Danny thing is like, yes, she had a brutality streak and we've seen it in previous seasons. But it was always in service of her twisted sense of Justice. Right. Like what she cursed the fide all the slavers for like, sixty one miles and shit. I mean like, yeah, that's brutal. But you're telling me, though, slavers don't deserve that. Of course, they do. So at least like all of the brutality served a purpose where we get to this. And it just seems like no matter what no matter how angry she is. No matter how many like she won. And there is no reason to take out civilians other than for her wanting to see the whole world Byrne. That's I don't think they did enough for that, man. I just don't that's my beef with it is I just go back and forth. And I'm like, they kinda fucked this up because maybe if they had a couple more extra episodes last season and more episodes this season, they could have done a better job setting that up, but I didn't see it. I think. And again, you know, this the people some people going to say I've seen the capabilities of this. And some people are going to say, you know, I just don't think they do enough. And I think the Valla points all around here. I'm I'm just going. Is about Dan. The only thing I said it already. I'm I'm I'm tired of people. Make excuses for that's as maybe story while I'm not upset, but I'm tired of people looking at her and say, oh, she didn't have nobody loves her. She didn't have anything. She was she's alone. All this bullshit is petty in his in an she's band. She's just being jealous when she's telling John, you know, I have no one John got me. I mean, you got an army of people that that that that that that that will do anything at your word and on top of that. A leader is not supposed to come in and say everybody immediately as opposed to like love me and kiss my ass. A leader supposed to come in earn the love and respect and loyalty of people this bitch, flew in a dragon and already start dropping threats and acting crazy sitting at corners, while people party, she Dino twitching, and look and mad, and I'm just like man, you know, she's freaked people at the moment that she got in because she has never stepped out in front his people and try to let them know. Hey, I'm daddy. I got a dragon. But while right out, we'll have to get to know which of the full while. But just let I want you to know that I'm here for you. She's never come out and done this. She's always come out and been like bomb, you'll goddamn Queen respect that she's a bad boss or she's burn them alive. Like any other section of John? And like the northern lords like all the other southern lords like the tire lease and everything burned alive. All dead. So it's like that's not a great impression. She's. There's already been built. It's been blood spilled. If she's already set up a legend for herself again. What people see this? I've read articles to this day where it's like put data. You know, what fuck her end that got them drag it up. I watched this persona. I'm not doing this to like, you know. Entertain people. I really fucking hate this character. I hate it. I mean, I'm not hating it. Because of a writing standpoint, I think affectively, I don't know if I'm supposed to hater. But I do. I've seen this coming all those for a while. I was like Sansa needs to cool out and she needs to cool out to. And then if certain point like, no sense, I'm with her like, she can't be trusted. And again, that's that they projected and if you episodes. Is that? I mean, do you see what I'm coming from? No. Out of all the complaints. There is now when we look back at this show, everything that you're saying with Danny. And I think now after this episode everyone's gonna be so divided on her character and just her art from the beginning to how it even ends next week. You're right. Those are things that I'm like you make good points. And I agree with that, you know, but I can also see other people in the camp of why they would be upset with how it played out tonight. So those are very fair criticism. And to that I say, I'm on your side. I still have my reserves and opinions on her. But I think how it just kind of flip the switch. Although you would say they done enough. Good examples leading up to it. Yeah. I won't fight you on that. Yeah. Well, you know when I get it. I mean, listen, it is moving very fast and for some people is going to go to fast for me. There are some things that are going to fast. But I did understand Danny a house. You got to this point. I will say this also. A mean it when I say fuck those dragons man, this is the first time I said, they have got to go. They cannot be here. I was out. I hate certainly felt really bad for that. Last dragon. They got taken out tonight. I was cheering take him down kill him. He needs to be needs to be gone. I think one of the cool things about this episode is how that we saw the destruction was filmed people's reactions to it in a way despite how evil and terrible seriously has been throughout this entire the entirety of game of thrones. I did feel something for her and those final moments, and like that shows the power of the show, you know. To to to show a character who I despise in the best way possible. But it's like I felt on the from that moment 'cause they're seeing like this is all coming around, and you have to have a reaction because at the end of the day is evil as she is. She's still human cool about that. I even wrote that down. As a show went on. That was one of my questions, and I'm glad you ran away to is. Sympathy for certainty you obviously, you're you're getting something, of course, something. Yeah. What about you? It's a weird. I mean, her going out I was upset because I'm like, wow. This just someone I grew to hate just like Joffrey Ramsey over the years, but but the way certainly went out again. And I don't know if it would just this prophecy right that they've always alluded to back and season five. I'm like, well, she did go out with Jamie. But not in the way, I expected, right? It would just kind of almost too easy for them. Right. Like, it would just this weird Romeo. Juliet. I'm like, well, this is how we die under the rubble. And I'm just like, okay. I didn't hate it. But I wasn't in love with it. I just felt very indifferent about it. But I think watching it all play out. I think because of what happened in three all of is just like, it's anti-climactic. What the hell do you think was supposed to happen drogue on decimated? This very easily. Right. What was the point of the golden sun either? Right. Love that though. No, no, no. I love it too. But then it just kind of takes away of some of the. The inconsistencies the writing has had this season. Right. It just like, well, then how was your on fleet even affected go too, far one. I wanna get Christians opinion on this. Why was still on mean because it is an interesting point. I know that you've had a lot of complaints with his episode especially with characters, but Christopher her Moebius saying like he really appreciates the writing for somebody despises in this episode made him feel sympathy for how did you feel? I mean, I want I don't have sympathy. When the burns like, yeah. We gotta get the fuck outta here. And she's like, no, no, we're good. We're like the hubris really bothered me more than anything. What bothered me is the Jamie of it all because last week. I was like, you know, I don't think Jamie's going back because he loves her. I think Jamie's going back because he needs to fulfil his destiny. He's gotta stop this crazy person. Right. And then it's just like to have them co back and be groveling. And being like, oh, I just need to be with her walks back effectively four five seasons of character development for him. And it's just like for what? So we can have a moment that semi pretty and thought, but like when you think about it for two extra seconds. It's not pretty man like that and the hound. That's the other one that really bothers me and we'll get to that a minute. But while we're on. As just like. Yeah. I mean, I don't feel bad for her at all. She brought a lot of this onto herself. She was given the chance to get out and affectively her character. Just kind of ruins in my opinion, the best character redemption ark of the entire series. Like Jamie was the reason I was kinda watching the show for a while. Now that just kind of went by the wayside. It seemed like a waste kind of with you on that man is like in a that's cool. You finally showing you human side, but that should have been back there. You know, it's it's not I don't feel something for somebody that's crime because they don't wanna die that selfish you've caused so much death in pain other people, and you've you've laughed faces that they as died in agony. Sometimes in all of a sudden you gravel when his you that selfish Guinness Lopeti itself. And okay. I can't even have much sympathy for you. Because again, it, you know, you it's like it's like when you look at somebody say, you're not sorry. Because of what you've done your sorry because you got caught you're not sorry. You know, you're not being human right now. Because all of a sudden you've learned humanity your crime because just like everything else is self serving the whole time. She kept saying, I don't wanna die. I don't wanna do. Not like this. Like shit. You had a chance to stop all this. And it's Christmas you had a chance to run out of there. And even save yourself yourself as bitch. But you know, but she got to the point where. Yeah, you know, he said who her hubris in her in her own ego is what is really what got her kill to the point where it's downright stupidity in a way, Jamie. Jamie went out like a bitch. Jamie to foot the big climax that we have really just this whole journey was just for you to take a, you know, a couple of jabs on the side and dime to some bricks. I really would love had. He just I mean, the moment was there again, this is where we get to what I want. But I really do feel like it's kinda week away. You know, you you you went to a lot of hard things to get there. And at one I really do think people would have thought it was great. I'd have been like, you know, we hit together I've had to pass Haarer to get here to see this and. I thought she should have died by hands not not going under some rubble thought. He probably had reached her. She's not moving. He's like you're not gonna give up. You're going to die together. I'd rather be on my hands. You just going out like this. Instead of just like, hey, let's just hold each other. Debry just under the circumstances of how the episode was set up like had Danny Nutt flip that switch at any. Switch it all and just laid waste of the whole thing. Seriously. No, it's fine. We're gonna be fine until that final. Always like, okay. We gotta go. And and that way her breaking down. That's when it's like, okay. I see you the first time along time as a human and that someone who is like, oh, you have emotion selfish. They may be that's still humid. And that's why if ectomy not in like felt like I was so sad for in that moment. I felt sympathy. Yeah. I I I guess also for me, and I'm gonna wanna Christophe about I guess for me. It was also this whole thing where he's angry at her as she's like that went nowhere. This whole thing of going to kill him. You know, that that up for for a Braun go kill to to kill him as like that had that at least as far as we know that really led to no real consequence. Yeah. Bras, not gonna get eighty. He's not gonna castle. Just seems like a really kind of meaningless storyline. At least. I don't know if there was something. Whereas like, hey, you've been trying to destroy me. I have to destroy. I don't I don't know. Just. Just. To me it was at climactic. But again, as you see this is this is really conflicting man because a lot of people have so many different emotions. I hear you over there Christian. You have something to that you want to add to this. Well, yeah, I mean, they effectively gave them another king slayer moment, but with your on character who no one even thinks that an actual character. Right. He's a caricature if anything, but they give him that whole king slayer thing, I think they could've fixed that moment really easily if instead of going under the rubble he wanted to like, you know, kill by his hand because that's his weird way of compassion. And mercy like you still have had that moment. I just feel like they completely butchered this entire character arc man. And and like you said, the why do we spend any time with Bron? Why did we care about that story line at all like it? Serviced absolutely nothing except to give us an extra twenty minutes on a overstuffed episode. You know what I'm saying? Like, this was a show that was so tightly plotted back in the day that like every single scene had consequence and had meaning and this is just meandering and then like not. Delivering on character moments, man. Yeah. Brought up your on your on great, joy, uncle, great, joy, Lee. Because. Men that blizzard. That moment was something straight of Swanson moving. Dues just. Yeah. Just let this fucking toxic Mexico. Linda, just get the best round. This was lethal weapon. One. This is like rigs fighting that guy on the lawn. The helicopters going over mart SaaS. Like, I got this. I take responsibility these two guys are just fighting for no reason sense within this can show. Do I really thought like yeah, man. There was just there was no reason other than we gotta find a quick way to kill Jamie. And somebody's take your on out real quick. So we'll just get into a quick scuffle with. And plus was. Was dumped should have to kill Jamie, Madison, though, he's still walking. I hate to say. I tell you book bricks. Yeah. I thought all of it was bad. It was like, okay. Here's two people that we know that are big players in this whole scheme of things. And I'm like what's discounted, Jack? Sparrow, doing right now facing off Jamie in the end, right? Like why am for second day? Actually, even convince me that I'm like, no way, you're on take Jamie like this because I was already getting heated, and I'm like, okay. Well, I guess he survived, but this battle shouldn't even have mattered. I'm like why giving your on so many big victories looking at it. Now retrospectively when he ultimately just doesn't serve any big purpose in this story. Again, this convenient for the sake of convenience just to help search, right? And I just didn't like it at all. I got. Esq? What is pushing Mehta all these dudes getting crazy because they Jamie in in in in Europe went out like a couple of broS in a parking lot fighting over a chick is like, hey, man, fucked it to do. Fuck Wayne, like mad, the cities and burn caters. It really just seemed kind of senseless. You know again. I don't know. I don't feel like you're I like you around. But you're on is a character. Who thought sorta like, sir c man his cockiness should have been something to to to for him to go out undo to undo him? I think he should have gone out with his fleet. Instead of like trying to have a little bitch fight with Jamie ova chick. I thought the whole glorious thing with your on. 'cause he's always talking about how like pompous he is as the character. It just would have been just so beautiful and ironic for him to go out like this in two seconds off the off drogue on his burning him. And I thought okay. This is his big wave dying out nothing because you are nothing. Right. But we get this thing instead with Jamie, if he had if he had head he's the one that took done that last dragon. He sees fleet burning. He put the scorpion up and he's just like fuck. It was gonna go down right now. Nobody likes you run. But you, but you Ron should ahead. Fuck Jamie, man, is like, you know. Let's let's get it on, bro. You know? It was like no his thing is with these dragons, man, you know, he's going down his fleas like people might not like me. But you don't get a real G moment before I go out. And I'm, you know, either he's going to burn my ass. I'm gonna take him out. And we all know what would happen. He would have gone down. But people would have been like, you know, never like this guy. Fucking man. He went out like. Geez. Back to sit up again. I think that's a missed opportunity. That was the silliest fight at the. Oh, yeah. Oh wanna hear this from you guys? Because that's what I want to bring up a euro also. Speaking of your on taking that last dragon. That easily the first time around, but then in this episode we just as easily, Dan dodge arrows and just went down and demolished the fleet. Why did you have first time, you know? I'm missing something here. Well, I mean, I know people didn't like a why that last dragon died Milas episode, but it took them from surprise able to shoot. And that's why they got it multiple times. She didn't see that common. Okay. And this one she was diving headfirst as pure broad rate of all of them aimed directly at her. And yeah, you could say yes, you could've gone around all that and people posted their YouTube videos, and I get it. But in this one g employed strategy where sewed she did. Okay. So that's that's how I interpreted as I see that. I can definitely see. That's why I don't want to come in and be snarky about. I just wanna say I didn't thought of that. I of course. But he upon hearing other opinions, but how do you? Well, that's the thing. That's why I won't be snarky towards you. But that's all. I thought when we saw that. So why did he do this last week? Why they did this happen last week? I don't know for the sake of convenience Christians going to be upset to subvert act caissons, y'all Verda expert to let you jumping benway take a techno as as a washes second. Bring these up and ask you guys questions. Right there under the head at what do I have writ? Right. Then. Menu. No the menu. Say what drag the seat? Why did do before? Why did didn't they? Why? Didn't do before. Listen to fair that was high area, and it was. Why didn't do before it could also mean the prince or Princess that was yeah. The drag is why didn't they do it before? I'm not doing it to like say I have. Because I don't want people think of jumping a bandwagon after it was thought of right in the middle. When I saw that. I was like, okay, they could've done that. But I see some people also think. Yeah, I think can go either way just depends. How you want to enjoy enjoy interpreting in a as I'm gonna ask you as the way, I write what you think Chris. I think it's poses a larger question, which is like apparently, this was really easy and the red keep is already separated from most of king's landing. So I know the problem this time was that there were civilians inside. But that didn't stop, Danny. Right. But I'm just talking about the first time when she was there like she could very easily have just taken out the red key in like ten minutes the whole season seven season eight necessary. You know what I'm saying? Like, it just a it seemed like she got more shit done with one dragon than she did with three dragons. And I don't understand that man that that's that's crazy to me those question when we talked about last week when she was right there from the castle, if a whole plan was to burn everything down her mind set on you know, why didn't she do it? Right them spot. Are why didn't they take out that dragon when they had a lot of strategy that doesn't make sense to me going on? But then again, that's why I'm saying some people have reasons for it. I I can understand that too. Like, I said you did. I mean for destroying the red keep I mean, good took out half that castle very filmed in really cool. I love the shot. But no that she could have just used the dragon, and that would have been and. Yeah. I wanna move onto some other characters right here. But real quick of. What did people? I I'm like, you know, what to hell with Danny in the dragon, you know, flock on the dragon. She wrote in on in in the in the rest of her crew this. You know, they we seen just how bloodthirsty people really are under her rule, which is why she should not rule. Grey worm? He needs to go to a really 'cause now he's he's being driven by period. Motion revenge revenge. Yeah. That he did not care about the safety of those people at all again, a character that I really liked and I hate this guy. Now, I really I don't know if you'll die nonetheless episode. I'm sure, you know, with the waiting game of thrones is he could just ride off into the sunset, just like everything. But I really hope he dies. I can't. I really can't stand him right now. I'm sorry. Go ahead. You know? What's interesting? I mean, if the mountain killed Masan day the setup was there. I'm like, okay. I think the mountains gonna face off great warm. He's gonna lose. And then somehow now we get the true game bowl. Right. Not what we got tonight. But I thought that's how that whole scene was gonna play out. 'cause you're right. There's a scene where listen to Lancers through their swords sound. So what was his point in his motivation that just now be bloodthirsty anger revenge? Like, chris. Yeah. And my whole thing is like, you know, how people interpreted like him dying last episode or something like that they want for me his whole thing is about he found a purpose in dinners, you know. And then he found another purpose in Masan day like those things are going away. Now, I think a better death for him is to have no purpose and just to be alone for the rest of his life. And he's just like, I'm just gonna wander and just feel incredibly MS. But that's almost worse than death for him where he has nothing. Now, that's very interested. Man. Very that's actually, very good. That's a that's a another even thought about that that his life depends on purpose to have nothing and be left alone because he was a slave. So he had he had no choices. And then you'll have no choices. Again. What do you think about this Christian thing about the character? And somebody thinking about some of the things that people are wishing for this character anticipating for this carried again interpretation has a lot to do with it. But that wasn't the same character that we've been watching, and you can say that he snapped because Masan days gone, but it it seemed like he was someone who understood the the horrors brutalities that humans can do to other humans. Right. These unsullied. We know how like horrifyingly tragic their origin stories are, you know? So it's just like for him to just in the moment. Like, I understand he has personal laws, but he like like unless you're just going to yell schizophrenic, man. He bipolar. He just lost that I was just killing people because that wasn't that. Like there was a calm before the storm. It was when Danny continued to blow shit up as when he decided like, I guess we're fighting man, you know, what I mean? So you. Say he was just following orders. But that didn't work for the Nazis. So I'm not going to let it work for great worm. Pose a question for you. Chris. What you think about it? I mean, you might not agree or not. But with grey worm a no he as you said, he's want to sell it. And he seen. He's seen, you know, protest brutality. Just the worst. You know, a human's against the humans of. But what would you what would you think about maybe? You know, having finally found some purpose in also finally haven't found love, he something that has been you know, it was something that held him back. You know, something that actually made him more empathetic towards people. And now all that is taken away from him. And he just and he more than ever he feels alone understand. And this is what drives him something that's been take the thing that made him human. It's been taken from him. And so therefore he just gives into the rage, especially when he's given his allegiance to this Queen who he follows. And now he sees as she doesn't give shift. So I'm not going to carry undergoing go. Why should I she's given it to peer emotion? Why should I not give an appear motion right now? Sure. But I mean, everyone like plenty of people have lost plenty of stop. You know what I'm saying? Like this whole world is about people being fucked over and losing things. And like he loses one thing, and he becomes Chuck Bronson and death wish man like every motherfucker like, and it's just weird. Because again, if it like. Minister soldiers, that's fine. But at some point, they're destroyed up, slaughtering civilians man, and that just doesn't ring. True. They who that character was I'll even make a case for Danny. You wanna say Danny's been homicidal for a couple of years. Sure. That's fine. I don't necessarily agree. But at least they tried. They didn't try with grey worm until what last episode. Yep. I'm not gonna see that interest in point by saying. You know? I, you know, the army under John snow, I yeah. The north. I don't think that all of them would have just turned into blood, thirsty killers. All of a sudden like this to where all of them killing killing innocent people raping women, you know, I just like everybody just lost their minds. All of a sudden, I say this to kind of push on that. I mean, look the the Boltons were part of the north and they were Thursday flavor. People live. We know that Starks. Honorable you know, that some of the Bannerman certainly are not even more recent ones like the Glover's they're like, we're not gonna come help you at the battle winter fell. I don't think all these houses kind of have the same rally is John show in his in his own army at winter fell like there's all different types of families around that that place now house a bolt definitely was brew. He's alive. The flags were laid men. So that I can kind of see this is this is this is this a slaughter is all for the taking. I never had it as I can have it. So I can kind of by that. But I thought it was well represented in just Jon snow's repulsion because even as a soldier he's never really seen this himself everyone. He served around. We definitely was stabbed over time. Like, they all serve honorably around him. And this is the first time that he's seeing that. And so I kind of bought into that why the north okay, I can see that's interesting because I felt like they did such a good job showing how John how everyone just loved John, and they respect John. They'll do anything for John listen that his whim. So I thought it was really great that when you know, you see the unsullied going crazy, maybe some dealth Raqi. I thought it would have been more effective. If all the northern would've just looked at John and be like, so are we apart of this? You know? So I do like how some resisted. But. Yeah, I guess in the just in the spur of the moment. I guess I wouldn't know how to react, right? They're like listen. Everything's in chaos. I brag printing the city down. What are we gonna do boss? Right. And of course, it's not like he can really command. Hey, hey, all you five hundred don't buy don't fight. Right. Yeah. But overall, I thought it was affective yet. Again, I can see that. You know, what you explain what's going on with that? Definitely. Thank you know. I don't wanna look like I'm complaining about too many things. There are still some things that I didn't see that and understand. But I just to kind of turn around here and talk about some of the things that they did. Well here. You know, I'm talking about Jamie and how maybe not like his art very good moment between him Tyrian, man. You're not think. He's been conflicted with his family this whole time. You know? And this is the one I think that he's finally just you know, he's been guarded for so long and finally see him break down. And at this moment ways. This is the last chance probably gonna have to like show, you my gratitude protected me you've been you haven't not been a great person you've been worse. But I thought that was a really touching. Yeah. I think that for people people will say that was the true goodbye to Jamie who may have not liked his endless air sea between the two brothers Taryn. Like Jamie was the only one ever showed many kinds. That's really loved him. So I thought that was probably one of the standout mows the entire episode in terms of character building ending an arc between the two of them. Yeah. No, definitely. I agree watching them just just kind of pour their heart house, especially Tyrian you feel for him. Right. He'd like you're the only person who cared for me. And I thought it would have been nice if through that reference back and sees a one saying brother, you wound me like, you know, I care about my family, right? It would have been. A nice callback of all the things. People want to use to. Cherry picking remember? But you know, I it was one of the best scenes in this episode for charity Christian Nola things have been making you happy with this which feel about that. See? No, I told you I'm at the point now where you can fuck up on story as long as you give me character moments that make sense, and that are really effective, and this one was really effective. You're not gonna hear me complain about it that relationship has also been the most earned because as miles just said like they've been setting that up from the maybe the pilot second episode when that line was first thrown out there. And it's just like, yeah. I thought that was great. It almost Harmon said almost makes up for it. Because I'm like, well, at least we gotta go by you know, like I can admit that. But it it I think it was the best standout moment. Characterize easily of the whole episode. And if this is what I want you to think about if this scene isn't in this episode. What is the truly great character moment episodes? Yeah. Well, I think the another you talk about some character moments here. That was a really great moment. Here that went against some predictions that that people had thought was right up there with Tyrian and in Jamie, and this one was. With aria in the hound. I mean, it was that was a great that was a great art with some great completion at they had because I thought well, I didn't I didn't think this. But a lot of people were predicting, and I thought this would be to me, it'd be terrible. If they do this. Why would they have our do another big kill in this series that that would not make sense to you talk about making people may think I'm gonna be pissed about that people even ask for fucking around eight did for real. I like that this whole time where she's been she's been courageous. She's been brave. She's been really hard. And these two been at it with each other about that that was cooled in Bavaria believable that they finally show some love which other true love like to the point where he's like, listen, I've been hard on you to make you who you are. But I want you to survive. I don't want you to turn into me. He wouldn't do that of eating love her and he called her. He she called him by his real name at that point. I was sweet. Yeah. And I'm sorry. I know that I'm Ben. But that was kind of like the highlight of that one moment specifically, I have issues with both aria and the hound though. So whenever we need to get to that actual like separately. I would love to talk about it. But just in terms of when she says like what's his name, Sandra? Right. Our game. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck man. Kinda got me kinda got me for half a second. I'm like, okay. Maybe this isn't fucking terrible. Maybe this is okay. Yeah. Well, you know, I mean, I'm just thinking that this is a moment where she was. I don't think you know. She was she was doing best to be in ause brave as she could. But this is one where she, you know, she she had self doubt. And in this is the moment where self-doubt let self preservation. Thinks out of that though is a small bit of fear episode. We saw her. Where people say this will to survive. I think it was also just this panic in an it shows just the horror that the nurse was creating around her. She was like man, you know, I am horrified. Just by seeing what someone, you know, truly horrendous capable of and having to see all these other people these other people dies now made me Afri thought it was a good fundable moment for her. I want to say something 'cause I know someone in the chat ruthless wonder it's set at that. This was kind of the moment when aria had some of her humanity back 'cause he's always been a SAS from ever since the first episode of the season just all business the entire time that moment when she had that connection with someone that you travel with four years presumably and just to say, thank you. It was like that felt incredibly authentic authentic to me the other day. I wanted to mention too in terms of just the aesthetic, and how things are shot anytime that there was like a moment of pure panic. Like an episode three we saw from ours perspective when she's running through the entire castle. You had that image up right now that those? Great. And then we see from a respected again with with the people running throughout the city. So I thought that was kinda cool symmetry rhymes? Yeah. Not to echo what you said. Listen. This was finally listen cheese. A girl who went through so much shit. It's okay to be vulnerable. And when she said Sandor, I'm just like, wow. Like just that was another like surrogate father, you know. And I love that moment. And maybe because I'm currently playing God of war right now where he just like I had to make you tough. Because you know, I love you. True loved it too. So I I love how played out, but he he just looked at her with the stern. Look, I don't care who you are. And I don't care how bad you are your girl, please. This is a scary moment. Let me take care of it myself don't die in being just because you wanna show off this bad ass persona. Well, you know, what I thought was cool was he said, listen revenge is made meet the monster that I am you don't you don't want to do this. And she thought about it for a second. All right. Let me put it this way you go fucking die. Like, you know, a good point. That's what's going to give me come with walking around. But while we're on the subject and Tyrian a little bit. Why on the subject I really did love? Airtime recently this in this season when when they're on screen together, and they had the store working together. I really think it was one of the things that consistently worked. But apparently not for you Christian. Astounds like even that had some moments where you went very satisfy. Well, I mean, I'm dissatisfied for different reasons like you can call it a net pick or whatever. But like aria before the battle of winter fells, just like, I I've seen the many faces of death. And I look forward to meeting this one, right? Like, she's just this cold psychopath sociopath is like beyond feeling anything. And then in this episode. She's kind of reverting back to that. And that's like again, it would be fine. If they had done some legwork on it. But it's like this was almost like a saving private Ryan moment. Right. Like, you just have the high pitch thing and everyone's moving and slow motion and shit like that. And that's when she regains her humanity. I didn't I just didn't love the her running through winner fell or not wonderful king's landing part because it just seemed like, okay. So now, you're back to being like a person. That's a little listen. I'll tell you something to get 'cause I hasn't seen as they. But I wanna I wanna that's over. Now. I want to say this because since we it is tied to will talking about. Would probably elaborate on his more from a technical standpoint. Amazing episode some amazing shots. I was you know, we had a we had our har- episode would I think what was it two or three? It was three had a heart episode. We kind of had our party episode last time where things a little light hearted. This was the war episode here. This was yeah. This is where they dropped a bomb here Ashim slot here. Yeah. And so putting you in the middle of it. If you wanna talk about from your Pratt. Save it private saving private Ryan moment that you were talking about Christian very much. Then spill Burke did when we had the enormity beach scene. But I gotta tell you. I got you. This girl. She had so many convenient moments was she wished where where I mean. It was almost like it was too convenient for her to live is more. Saw was like, hey, no. I don't see you surviving. Because you're you know, you're you're you're that skillful are even you're that lucky us all somebody wrote this about you head. There was so many things that happen in this. You've you had a tower fall on you in the tower fell and you and just the right way where the window came down, and you looked up and you could walk out even to the point where she she offered a Uber horse after that. Did you you call it a little bit? Come on, man. Everything was very convenient for you know, everybody was done behind her. Oh fire. Just bail it. Mr. explosion, just barely missed you. Oh my God. You just move even as pebble. Just happen to be just out of reach out like meant that the writing there is showing not in his doesn't feel natural. Yeah. I know there's a scene where she's trying to help the mother figure we've seen for like five ten minutes in this episode. I'm like, why am I looking at her? I don't care because I know what's going to happen to her. But like she's trying to carry her and her daughter, and I'm like, what do you think is going to happen in this situation? Like, how practical now does all your wanna be say, hey, let's get you to safety. I'm sorry. You still have like another two miles to get out of king's landing. And of course, through the breadth of drogue on right? You see the fire burning everything? But you said it how come being in this corner tight corner. She baited that fire. And I'm like we saw a scene where do random alley in the fire. Ran his has death. Hey, come in. Grabbed him turn to corner met file, oh, you make character. Hey. This is into. Independence day, Indiana Jones shit going on with her dog way the joke. The dog it out like when the dog jumped into the corner shut the door behind them. This is that's what was going on here. This was this was felt like a very spill Burg Indiana Jones moment here. Yeah. Shrew blockbuster to the point. Where like all right. This is this is not convincing even four fantasy a Christian. What did you think about that? You know, I'm. Let these guys talk right here. I'm what am I going to say that you didn't already say? What's that war? The world's wonder that's Bill Burke, dead more like, you know, the tripods come out. And then it's just it's just a one or the whole time. He's running down the street people are getting disintegrated left and right. And somehow every serendipitous thing happens to where it doesn't happen to him as the same thing with REM in. I think from a technical perspective. You're right. Like there were so many wonderful shots like the cinematography in. This was great. My favorite shot is actually when we talk about the the hand in the mountain. But yeah from technical perspective. It was great. It's just like when good writing is so good that you don't even understand like that. It's britain. Right. Like, that's like, no. It's so natural. That's exactly what those characters would do. And that's what they would say. And this is where you're like. Oh shit. I can literally see fade in exterior aria running through king's landing. You know what I'm saying? Like, it just it was noticeable. No was no. I think that they're things that are. At the same time there. Maybe the execution was not done convincingly. I may be that good. But the cemetery was always great. Are you running through the city amazing? If nothing else, you can take it from the standpoint of man, you know, what you did successfully maybe even to a fall to I notice the was going on here. But you did put me in the middle of it. And I'll tell you they may said now, we'll give them credit on this. They said. We're gonna kill children. And they did to the point. We even girl when she went down her mom, she like a script. I got. You'll be safe come with me dead. You should stay exactly where you should have stayed. Oh, I love that girl was like nine. I mean, she look I'm on burn Bumblebee with my mom. Hey, burn model. You know? But I think the summer Takeuchi was great. Yes. And that's why I have to say with. The hound in the mountain Airbus been looking forward to this fight. There were so many times that they did these incredible shots where. That dragon wasn't a background let unite modifying knob still doing this just in the background with these these amazing shots with so much going on all these sorts of so welcome posed in this the action was clear made it would make sense. But it was clear enough fight scene right there whether on this tower, and you see like a dusk in the back destruction into dragons, just like a Mina Carrington background is flying around amazing. Logistically, even even for, you know, do find a zombie. I don't think this is where they start playing with bending the rules of of the character at least for me. And again, I wouldn't listen to explanations. We saw the hound. I mean, I'm so now we saw the mountain at one time take a do skull in crush it. Like a million in slap his teeth across the court. Just the Nishad right here. We saw him push gas a heart. The back of his head caved in. He went out now. Now, I know much respect to the hell I know that he's a strong, man. But he still a man, right? Yeah. Still two things. I'm willing to listen explanations. For this. And this is probably one that can be explained. Why did he all the sudden gain consciousness back enough to like disobey the orders? I mean, he's a zombie. So he disobeyed the orders of of certainty in Khyber, and and one over there and attacked the other thing is I don't care how strong the hound is the same to me that the mom his got that head. That's it punches you. Yeah. Head has caved in. Why did physics change on the hound? All of a sudden, he's you know, he's a strong, still immortal. I I didn't. That's what I didn't get. No. I mean, here's the thing. Fan service, right? I'm incl- gamble has been something that was hyped up. Did it deliver? I don't think it did. But there's a point. I was laughing at it. Because I'm like is is the mountains on me just nemesis room resident evil like this. He looked like it. I mean, I heard him say stars at one point. And I'm like, okay. This is what's going on? Because just like any Samis. You would think. Okay, kill them in the brain. And you know, the how did that? And I thought that's how he was going to go out. No, it's kept on going cannot. Can I say one thing? Regards to game bull. No matter what they would have done everyone on satisfied people been hyping this thing up. Yes. Season one. They could have done. It could have been those epic battle a people coming out there saying I didn't like this cetera et cetera. So it's like, look we got this. Your explanation. How is Sandra able to survive these missing heavens head bashed into stone getting is almost partially guard certainly gone and still managed to like you'll be able to throw his brother out of the star again, technically beautiful. But yeah, you can't explain that. In a way, let's can offer recommendations degrees. The hound is such a good fighter. And he's in in in such an he so calculating that. He knows how strong is this guy is probably and he's just like, yeah. I'm not going to feed him by a not going to feed him with the regular attack. I'm going to keep maneuvering I'm going to keep Bob any weevil Landon certain lead in a certain ways. An obviously he's he's tiny. Like, you're not gonna die. I'm dead. Anyway, you know, what I've I've gotten my Lixin on you. I've gotten my got migration out on you. I'm made you look me in the face. What to the point where even disobeyed, and I know you hear me bitch 'cause you just paid disobey yo bitch over there. So I got my attention. Fuck it at this point. We fought us a lot of grey skills. Good fight than us, take you out. And I would just leap off what what both gone, and maybe he feels like, you know, I can actually I can push him over and take him out. But he sees. Nah. There's no. From me. I'm mortally wounded two is time to take you out in the fire. That's how they could have done it. I think. Yeah. No. Certainly I think that that would that would have been better. But I still like what they gave us the very lace. Okay. Like that. He just threw hybrid down. How's he gonna die? It was it was it was a Frankenstein monster. Boy, that's perfect. That's in Norfolk way too. I like it the way he said, no, I don't I don't like fire. But I hate you more. You know, what I hate? But I'm feel so good. I you know, I can fry knowing that you frown with me right now. I thought that was kinda cool Christian about the scene. My only beef with it is like I we like we all like the gamble and theory right Herman's. Right. No matter what we got. It would have been unsatisfying. But I would also say that like the hound is inherently not someone who's like been driven by revenge, necessarily, right? Like, certainly his brother informs the character. When we first meet the hound. He's a mean duties cantankerous he doesn't like to have any emotions with people he fears fire, but that's not who the hound ended up becoming even by the end of season two. He had kinda got past that he was struggling with the I guess humanity. If you will. But he wasn't the the brute that his brother was and so like I thought we definitely needed a confrontation. But I also didn't think that like his character arc was not like oh from day one. When we thought about the Jamie thing, you know, I give you a lot of reasons. And I think I still make a lot of sense where it's like, oh, man. He's the only honorable thing ever did was the king slang right again. The only honorable thing. He can do is they'll be the Queen slayer, but he'll go down in history as a coward. That's one thing. You're like, okay. From episode one. They said that shit up. I never felt like the hound was so hell bent on revenge. His entire character was like, oh, I gotta do this. You know what I'm saying? So that's my only beef with it. I did love the scene from a like cinema Taga fy standpoint. There's that scene where I think he's been stabbed. And they do the silhouette of the mountains head in the sun. And just like the rays are peeking out from behind his. Pulls the sword out fucking gorgeous, man. And again, the idea that they fall into fire again pretty like actually pretty that. Relationship was forged in fire. That's awesome. I just I felt like it felt perfunctory. It didn't feel like this real great grand build up to this moment that we'd all been waiting for. Gotcha. Good points. Some smaller issues here, I'm not even issues. Just the thoughts. Tyrian? I've been loving tear in his whole time. He's been eas- been struggling so hard to just get to get everyone to do the right thing. And you can say that with him to. Waiting about him being a snitch? I mean, I get is like, hey, you know, I maybe if I'm honest with the Queen. I don't even think that's the case. You know, he goes and tossed Danny about I mean, he has to know that she is. So we know what she does to enemies. Yeah. And he knows that this friend. This is what my this is what my issue is. What this? This guy's his best friend varies varies. We all know that varies the honorable thing. But varies at various it. Even when he told his, you know, the the girl in that scene of the beginning. A spy spy, he said, listen, we all know the risk. I don't think he point. I love about this character. He's like, no, listen, I'm truly about the realm. If I die I'm dying for the realm. I hope is not in vain. And he was he was willing to go out. He didn't scream didn't do anything. When I would his head up. You looked at him product that dragons, I mean, I'm you do. But if if him Tyrian so tight why didn't you try to just say, listen, I don't know what she's going to do if if you finds out this got into another way to do. This don't wanna be the one to like have to have to a rat. You out I think with with various though. With tearing they have a mutual understanding of what what the either either one wants versus always always been honest here in the entire time. And it's like, look, I'm always going to be at services around and Tyrian. I always said his grades flaws. He wants to be loved he wants the respect of the of an individual got. There is other got it through the narrow, and he doesn't want to have anything come between that I think and much as you love. Various that's best friend for state is life years ago after he was framed for offers murder. I think that it's almost appropriate that he would be the one to tell Danny information's going to get out. And it's like, of course, you know, the person who's the spy master of all things. People are finding out like the first person Dan would think of spymaster mission spreading? So it's like we got nip this in the bud because then even mortgage think about this way, the realm will devolve until even more cast lords saying, well, I don't support I don't support seriously or John snow that Vassar and winner fell. I'm declare myself king like it would be brave in Morse. I believe hearing his minds like we have to just nip this in the bud, and I don't want to do it. But his mind like various I'm doing for the better of the realm. Do you think at any point? He also said implicit burns people in be me. I mean, I think I think Danny when he goes to meet with her in the beginning episode when you said someone's betrays, John snow, and he's like, no Varis. And so I think maybe it may be goals interpret that as ways sacrifice instead of John snow various instead. And I also think Tyrian was also saying listen Masan day died, you're losing everyone. But I am also still voice of reason all this bad stuff. And I don't mind that Tyrian, you know, did on various because you're right. Various new from the get-go. What what who who he was as a character? And that I think Tyrian Cam respect that enough to be like, okay? I know who you are. And I think I know what you're going to do. And that's why I gotta stop you right here. Everybody seems to think that this was a. You know, something that makes sense overall with everyone, and I agree with you a Christian. How do you feel about that? Yeah. It's pragmatic. It just doesn't make sense. Because then he immediately does something that if he gets caught he'll get fucking burned. And I know they say that they put like what's called a lamp shade on that. Right. Whereas like, MC knowledge ING that. I'm doing something. That'll get me burn. But yeah, I mean, it's just one of those things where like I loved Vera's death. The first ten minutes of this where my favorite part of the episode because I did went out how he lived. You know, what I mean, he didn't beg for his life. He didn't cry. Didn't do anything. Dude was like, I hope I hope I'm wrong. But I'm not an you're about to see that, you know. What I want to ask you something. 'cause that's an interesting thing. Do you think that he almost did this knowing that he would be a self sacrifice? Right. Like a martyr, right? Like, I mean, not even a martyr. I guess self sacrifices pretty much. Yeah. It's like, okay. You didn't believe me? So now, you're gonna kill me. And that's okay. Because when you see this fear self you're not only going to be dealt with the the weight of all the lives that have just been taken. But also, the sacrifice of your friend. Right. Like a comrade. And so, yeah, I thought it was a really really effective seen it just. But again when I go back to Tyrian question at because it's like, yeah. You did this thing to save yourself? I can understand that. But then you immediately do something that could be conceived as treasonous in like the next twenty minutes, and even if it's all true, stick, it's still something that I it just makes me feel like Tyrian is not the same Tyrian. Like, he's not the same smart dude that he wants was manny's constantly making mistakes. Yeah. Looking at Tyrian is episode, man. I really a really a. I think this characters come a long way in a really he's one of my favorite cactus here. He's I think he's been probably the, you know, as we said we've seen him be on the strongest characters he's been also one of the most emotional characters here. He's been care to kind of captured everything with that said is a so much weight on this character that do you think that this one the character said in the the final episode gonna just gonna kill him off? My my whole thing with with tearing my miles might prediction that it would always end up here in John in some way, either with John throw in tearing by side because they've always been the constants to me kind of the entire game of thrones aren't open also deniers, but I I think the basic. The basic way shin where deniers Cooley has lost it. And maybe that will be the thing that will set John off where she's going to decide to kill execute Tyrian based on him loosing, Jamie, all this stuff. I think that's going to be the thing and gave him a warning you betray me. I'll burn you alive. The same threat the same threat to him. And so I think that would I think that's what's gonna lead to it's a it's interesting much like Santa I feel like Tyrian has gone through so much and also being George R. Martin's favorite character. I always felt like hearing was always going to be even before the season started. He's gonna make it out alive. He's he's has been through so much hell and back for him to just die off while I guess not through thirsty or Jamie. Then I don't know how he would go out or how I would wanna see him go out. So I was predicted the best for him. Although it might not be by the end of the show how hell end up living for all this. I think a big. Thing will be for a lot of these characters. Like, I think a lot of them will live, but they're all be miserable. Yeah. He'll lose everything that he thought he really truly cared about and believed in and it's like it was it's all ashes now. Might be that bittersweet ending that Joe was talking about even about this Christian. I think he's safe. And my reason being is that like I think Danny has to go now because she's evil as fuck John still does not want the throne. And I think there's a line that their seasons varies a bit. The dust this episode. There's a line in season to where he's like an an a very short man can cast a very tall shadow very long shadow some butchered it, I'm sorry. But like I I think that like he needs to stick around. I think that he is him in various where people who were really were about the realm and various has gone. He was sacrificed. I think Tyrian kind of ends up. I don't wanna say his ruling everything. But I know that that dude is in a position of power when this is all said and done. He's awesome board or something. You know? Right, right. He's the CEO. Yeah. I just think that he's gone through too much and his death hasn't been aren't either. You know, what I mean like he needs to be one of the last people standing here because he was one of the people who is most like underestimated from the beginning. Great point point. Just a you know what we're talking about. Again, you know, circle kind of back to Danny or more time. Again, her whining talk about how unloved I am. I think when like she trying to get the d you know, from John that when I won the won intimate moment. Shoots on everybody liked me. But it used to good and. And let's go ahead, and none does have sex and John dislike. I just thought you burn a man alive digging really gonna get hard. Doubts that to me at an sound like a making a joke that to me said something about the two of them is seemed like something again like a joke. It seemed like some dirty. I'm saying, but it did really say how. That meant nothing to her that guy that she just killed us. Just another day for her. And she's like, wow. You know, right after we saw an execution. Hey, does that make you horny Jonah's like I'm disturbed by this? And I'm worried and you're asking me to do that you wanna make love right after that. I think that that was a moment that route. A small thing. Nobody's going to talk about. But it was a small detail that again revealed what these character moment when they reveal what they would like how different they are an EMMY different than season one. How it's like when her brother despite him being incredibly cruel to her. She hasn't given shit that he does that blank stare that. That that one look melted. Crown a pot of gold on in. Yeah. Mental trouble to behold. No. I mean, she's always been that way. And I feel like John has it like Johns more sense of morality was giving from his adopted father net. Stark his brothers the Nightwatch. He's always been surrounded by people that really truly cared for him in some capacity, truly a product of his environment. And Danny like, the only other person only other man, she hadn't her life growing up was the series psychopath, and then Giora was. Yeah. That was a positive influence, but this or spent years of her brother, and she's she's a tribe with these with these savage. Just sounds like she's never been the best place to form a sense. Morality. So no, it totally shows the great massive divide between their their characters. That's that's very insightful bringing the history of all these men even think about that importance people of long are. Yeah. Yeah. No it shows. Again, the thing we love and hate about John, right? As a character is like, no like he knows this is wrong. Even you know, family aside. He just like, what are you becoming right? Like I am already in bending the knee for you yet. You're still pulling some crazy shit just out, you know. And I think today any what's interesting is. Although it never has really been talked about a lot. You have to understand because she probably was one the last targe area. It's out there. This whole incestuous thing that target areas have just been known for its probably always been normal for her. Right. So it might be foreign, and I think it's ironic how she's in a foreign place in western rose where it's like this is absurd to you guys. Right. You guys had nothing to really even. About surfing, Jamie. I mean, you kind of squabble that. But now you have a problem with us. We're the good people. You know? So I do like seeing that madness of Danny where it seems practical for her, but it might be absurd for the rest of us. Yeah, christian. No. I I like that scene. I think it's a small detail. I think my problem with it is that how incredulous John looks when shit starts popping off. Right. Like, it's not like he didn't have people warning him episode starts with various being like, oh, come on, man. You know, what's up like, I know? But they flip a coin these target areas. And then you're the you're the heads like she's the tail she's crazy, man. This is a Harvey dent situation. And I just think that that's my beef with it because there are plenty of moments, including the scene where he kind of sees Danny for who. She is. He he's so loyal as as the Ned stark upbringing Herman said that he he struggles with that. And he's reticent to admit that he's having any kind of second thoughts. But he knew there are plenty of examples. So when the scene happens, and he's just like, you know, like that rang a little false, Tim. Well, he knew Tyrian new. But I think at the at this moment what what can they do about it do nominate almost like she's the Queen. And she has tremendous power. Outside of just killing her, which you know, maybe maybe an option now, you know, what would they have if they do realize this? I think in plus that's why I think they would like holding out hope for the last minute. Like that bells on save everything, you know, when she's gonna know like, okay, we made. Plus, they all thought we made an agreement if they surrender. You will not burn burn the city. So and I'm not don't think this is a challenge I'm asking for you just out of curiosity. What other option do you think that they would have had if they really did know what was going on with her outside of murder? I I mean the truth is I don't have an answer. Man. Get the fuck out like, you know, what I'm saying party. That's going on that was my beef with it was just like man, you're sitting here passively just being like, we're just following orders. Like an I can't abide by that. Because it's like you have had seasons where you know, kinda who she is or it certainly at least what she's capable of. But when it comes to John specifically, and I guess Tyrian it's like right like Terry and had the option various try to talk to his old friend, and then it didn't really do anything. But it's just like come on, man. You have to know like you have to see the red flags when they're there. And it seems like everyone was just willfully ignorant about it. And then we're like overly shocked when she ended up revealing her true self. So I don't know if there's an option I mean miles Harmon, which you got I only say this. I mean, humans typically we were followers at the end of the day, and even despite so we see we think that we're well, the that's that's not good. But I'm still going to obey orders and the end. So that I kinda I can buy that. The you know, John interior trying to convince themselves the entire time. They believe in, you know, in better men their entire lives, and they all died and deniro's to them that last person the last beacon of hope it's better than Sarah been these all these other options all these false kings. And it's like they don't wanna lose that. Despite all the now evil that she's committing and even at the end like I liked it. They're conflicted about it. Frustration like you do want them to do something. But I don't know what could have been done. And you have to look at what I mean. Look what age win. I mean, you know, we we people follow crazy people the hope that cycle basis for them. And yet they yeah. Exactly rationalize them. And and I think that's what's so great about that. Like, I like those moments because listen, we know from the gecko who Joffrey Ramsey were. We know they were just evil on to the bone right away into with Danny? Although I think a lot of them were in denial. Right. You're like this is the last Good Hope we have to have an actual air who would be nice to the people. We see ourselves as audience just her being the mother dragon break chains that long title, right? And I think all of us who were like, please don't do it. But when it happened, we all home. I know I know that was an effective scene with the bell rang and put that Posner, and she didn't know what decision was gonna beaten, absolutely. At least me one last thing before I tell you one of my favorite shots. Also is the execution of various that. Because I knew I said, I'm kind of predicted this in the best way, I'm not, you know, not not not as bad because predictable. Like, you have to utilize the space that darkness that we know that she burns people alive when she's crossed the Neri's. I said this is going to be a great shot at the dragon, just you know, comes out the shroud of darkness, right? I love her. Right above. And I said that was an amazing shot telling him and his problem from from a technical aspect is favorite episodes. But. You guys, please, please feel free. I'm going to kinda back down and let you take. Take the state yet. But. I'll I'll I'll start with something of. How do you feel about there being one more episode? It just seems like the so much to cover. Now, we got one more episode. And I think we all can kind of know. I mean, let's George Martin it might not fall on. No, the nearest might be absolutely right about everything. She was saying into told you we might see, you know, flash forward years later kids running around the grass, you know, what not. But I think the, you know. You know, I think people really feel like, okay? I don't think HBO is gonna show this many families and innocent people and children dial without some repercussions of her. I think a lot of people feel like the only option is for her to die. What is your almost step back? I think the office for her to die right here. And might be just wishful thinking part, but what is going to happen next regarding that and everything else, and what are your predictions on things going and anything else you want to add I'm kind of going to back off. Now. My whole thing is. Yeah, I think she's going to have to be consequences for what she's done at this point because she has become what she always said I'm gonna fight against highlands. She is a tyrant now. Yes. And it'll be it'll be from the person that that she loves I think John will be the one to kill her. He'll he'll he'll wake up out of it. And just like, okay this. This has to end this whole idea of this of this bloodline flood line, the targe Aaron's it has to end with this. And I don't know he'll die too, and he'll be on the iron throne. But it'll I think one of the big moments of the next up Assode is him killing her definitely not gonna show all those moments are on his face for no action. To happen. No. You took it out of out of my mouth, man. Yeah. There's moments in this episode were you to see John in pause, right? Just kinda like embattled the bastards of like the horror and disgust of what's happening around him. And I think he knows just like us that he has to be the one to take Danny down. He has a live with that consequence. But again for the greater of the realm. Ultimately, though to answer your question, how this show going to wrap up is crazy thinking, this was the penultimate episode and was it good from technical standpoint. And wizards cooled things I liked absolutely. But one episode left, and I still have a thousand questions. I I'm still wondering. Okay. Yeah. I think Danny has the die. I also think John has to be the one to take her out. But from there what happens. Do we flash forward twenty years where I told you Sam is going to tell little Sam the other Gillies child, and this was a song of ice and fire folks, right like, but they're still so much to tell. And I think that's what's gonna hurt the shows like. Z? Kristen right. I mean, John seems to be the only emotional connection that would have any weight. Although I would pose just as a weird Lancaster family thing that gets passed down like Tyrian somehow has to kill her because he he chose verison. He was wrong these emotionally affected. But also just think about that that like he would be the Queen slayer. You know, what I mean like, it would still be pretty emotionally effective the other thing. I would like wishful thinking I would love this dragon because again, John Tarr Garin John can ride these dragons. I I know that the dragon was the instrument in which she created all of her chaos. So probably not gonna happen. I would love this dragon turns on Danny granted cheese unburned, right? She can't be burned. So maybe that's a bad wishful thinking or whatever. But I think she has to die because otherwise what the fuck did. We just watched this whole season you have like. No consequences. Man. You brought up an interesting point. Again. What what reason what the dragon half to turn on Danny child? I mean, that's what I'm saying. I have no logical reason for it. But I feel like game of thrones kinda stopped using logic this season, so anything can go. But what I'm saying is at least that we know that in John's blood like targe- area bloods there. We know the dragons will listen to them. I'm not saying the listen to a more than Serse are, Danny? But what I'm saying is that that is like a checkoffs gun. That's there that can be used. I think it's obviously more likely it'll be John. My wildcard is Tyrian. Okay. I have one prediction. Well, you know with with John Killington Harris, I do think that's going to happen. I think much like I've said this like once ready grey worm. I think the drug I going gonna get out of there. I think he's just gonna leave and it'll be not an actual death. But they'll be a death of fantasy and magic with his departure from west rose. I think that's was the we're we're gonna see is death who's who's drug on drug drug on the dragon. Yeah. Yeah. You think he's just going disappear? I I do I retired. I'm honestly. Yeah. Take off. What I said last week about the token of it. All right. Martin's always at much loves Tolkien at the end of Lord of the rings. Magic is gone. The time of magic is passed on. And like they've been set in that up. Man dragons, gone, the white walkers are gone, so. Yeah. Like if drug on takes off, it would kind of again lead to that idea that like the magic that was once in west arose is now gone. It's history. What else would you guys like to Ed kind of free form part right here floating ideas man was up. I mean, some other things that I would want to know at the very least what what what happens with brand at this like he had such an arc throughout this entire series becoming the three eyed raven this this this fountain of not little fountain of knowledge knowing the past and the present always like, I I wanna know what's going to happen with him. Is he going to kind of go off into just be the three I'd rave, and it has to be something with him that has to be satisfying drag off too. Too. That's another thing. It's like if there's going to be truly an end of magic in west rose, and he needs to go. I would I would think anything else. I really I'm trying to struggle with just kind of think of anything like random other storylines. I mean things have been wrapped up whether they've been satisfying unsatisfying, I think that's that's a matter of debate. But other any other characters I can think of that. I wanna see there's so many people's Arthur theon done like, I mean, I don't know. What else there is like you make a great point? Like, this is I think one thing. That's I'm sorry. I mean to you think this one that just want to get this out thinking about it. Because I think you bring up a good point, Chris when you say, I think one of the things that's been a frustrating people is you have you have only episodes left on it. Talking about like what we started the season. Like, okay. So we'll even these gaps where we just we don't focus on characters. In fact, we'll have them even in an episode. And then we come back, and all of a sudden all this stuff happens. You know, there is something has to be clouded with him. And I just hope it feels natural. Because you know, we haven't seen him, you know, this episode, and it's a good point where people think people still really even realize what's going on with him. No. I don't people people even characters are just confused when they see, you know, what's so crazy though. I is it just really unfortunate. Who for me, who I I've loved this show that after that episode three I really feel like Dan, and Dave are just not going to answer a lot of these burning questions, and I've already kind of made my piece brand, I don't even think we get any closer. What brand as a matter of fact, hell Esso's didn't even know the Nike existed? So that's that's something. Keep in mind, Dario Horace, and the second sons, I thought we were gonna see them tonight. I'm like, I guess not why even say, you know, in Dorn, there's a new print and that you are taking the the new salt thrown salt thrown right? I think they just say just to be like period and just that's it. Right. Like, just like the elephants that we were promised. I think we're those elephants. She had this into a turn it around. And even simple things like Brian. Gosh about it. That's what I'm saying. Yes. I mean, that's a small thing. But it's like all right. That was kind of a major thing what's gonna wrap that up to. I mean, there's going to be a lot too. Is a two hours hour, I eighty minutes to two hours. Okay. So we got two hours next week to get through this. So. And I just wanted to quickly say too because I know at the end of last season they brought up like being pregnant about like what that could be or she truly pregnant. They also did a lot of foreshadowing with Danny John's hang light. I can ever be pregnant. I can never be pregnant. So I'm like, okay. I guess you being pregnant with just something that we're also going to nor as well. So. Literally like those throwaway line. I'm leaving open ideas Christian. You've got anything to throw in there. Now, really, man. I mean, I think the truth is we're not going to get a satisfying conclusion for a lot of the characters. I think by design their shows when you have eighty characters that you can't possibly get to all of them. I've always said this is a weird comparison. But I've always compared game of thrones to the wire, obviously, not about drugs in inner city Baltimore. But about the idea of how expansive the cast was each season. You learned more characters like five to six new principals while keeping the last season's principles as well. And so like, that's the blueprint for how to wrap your stories up and give everyone a moment. I think that we are way too far in the game to get any kind of satisfying moment for any of the people who are out in the wind. I think like yet torment leaving at the end of the battle of winner fill that was that was it. Now, you know what I'm saying? We're not gonna get in other torment moment. We're not gonna get another Yara moment. We're not gonna get another Braun moment. I could be wrong. I would love to be wrong. But there's no way in eighty minutes to two hours. We're going to be able to touch on everything while we still have the story. Tell which is Danny needs to be dealt with. Yeah. Before we go in further any thing to end. Now. Terms of in terms of character, wrapping up there there are now. I that's the thing. I just can't anything at all. No. I we're gonna get like like you kinda were saying did you miles and like an epilogue. I think we're going to get us later. We're going to see these characters, and it might be a montage type thing. But we are going to see where they are. Yeah. I it's weird. I do wanna say, although this isn't a show that I want fell in love with. I'm still enjoying it or the spectacle that they gave us. There's that awesome scene where drogue on it just throwing the fire around the red keep right like just circling around it. And that's when they showed the GameBoy thing happening. I'm like, wow. That beautiful. And I think that's why it hurts. More to be like man, the show would just did so many things in the beginning. This knowing going to end. Yeah. Right. Ninety minutes. I'm like, but of course, we spent you know, in the last episode twenty minutes at a frat party. You know, there's no. But that's what's those are my burning questions where I'm like, oh my God. There is so much story to tell and how are they going to wrap up? All these other loose ends. They are we'll we will definitely see of. Full. We go Carlos has been back this shit in the whole time. The whole like I never seen a man. Just just grunt for ho too. Okay. Let me talk to you. Come here. Now, I understand frustration. But God damn it. This is a show. I I don't like seeing you unhappy about. No. Let me talk. They make me sad. It did really make me sad. Bottle tear to my pick is I I I got this show. I for the books that was it. And everybody tells me I haven't put right now. Listen, I didn't like Ed rice. I oh, well, you like is like is not the books like I know is not the fucking books. I know this, you know, y needs to told me ever that shit again. But the same you said something really important the whole thing about REI, just dashing waving just for plot sake. That's how I feel out with Danny I filled that just in the first season. We know she's kind of off, but there's so much convenience shit to make her Davila. And do what she does in this episode that it is distasteful. Stefon I know if some cool shit, but there are some disturbing imagery or some imagery here I want like what the fuck that really shook me a little bit special with a little girl just on fire. Like, I think joy that like I I know I know isn't backfire know why they did it for. But when I analyze the previous season, it just seems I'll left feel and when I realized why does seem less because I feel it's character lauch own a character. I wasn't earn. I'm with Kristin. A lot of shit was not earn. And I will find anybody pain. And like I wanted. Me too. No. But it was. It's really hard to meet to put this right now. In words, I have not been dispassionate about single thing in my life than Star Wars. Like, I read all the books in Star Wars. I felt this good. When people started talking last yet, I are long my expectation and made me feel like I feel right now like with such disappoint thing. Biggest when I hear you guys talk. I wanna see it for spectacle spectacle than I reflect them. Why do I even Chris is why did I don't see stuff or spectacle? I see stuff because elevates me because it makes me think because it makes me ponder. Because elevates Weifeng of entertainment. I was expecting this to be will wire any for a time. It was it was no question about it. But now in such a point then, you know, on care what happens at the end Alto. You right now. Like offing is not gonna be any epilogue is just going to end. That's it. No fucking answer questions. It's not gonna be satisfying. No better. What everybody says, you know, like, I just American fears. Man, fuck because y'all every single point that you all brought I'm agreeing with you. I think it hit me a little bit harder. Because I had hope I had really hoped that. This was going to be episode that fucked last year associating like this going to bring me back and this just pushed me to them like. Well, also hit you hard because you're Carlos. You think these things really I've never seen somebody. So so so into fandom as you as a bad thing. I mean, you are invested man like I'll put this one. When I got the books bought the western map back home my studio. And there was a point like because he does Martin does what pocket-size is called lip frogging there soon character. Sure event that don't add up there happened over the same time really looked a map to seek the distance to seem what each character was. And how close it were to show how the we're fake story. And that's why I love the books. He goes that mid mid methodical episodes. The see was a one point that methodical. I I couldn't not find a fly. Even if I want you now I haven't thinking about like the first fame like the dragon just fine like an F fifteen just waving all the areas. Like, nobody's business on limited fire like in LASSO episode. Dragons fill real animals now. It's just like there's no limit to drag is limited fire. It doesn't exist. Is the creature? I can't explain dragon logic because you could be anything do anything once agree, but they made such a cool Efren last season. And actually in the last episode to make it like, a a real life animal something that has limitations even the movement because let's be honest, if the dragons were acting like the act in this episode right here, we will have like five minutes of the long night that was within. Because there was this drug. It was being so fucking fire everywhere, and he will so fast efficient them like can say that that was think they they kinda pointed that out that these dragons it's not like they have limited fire, which is why she says I can go in in deniro, which is I can go in and burn the city because my dragon is such a destructive force. Then why then we see that in the long night? What do they have it? Yeah. You're fighting metrical being an ice ambi- and his army. It was a neck romantic and raise the debt of summit a huge storm that surrounds them. The dragons can't even see where they're going to goes back to the same thing about strategist, stay low and just burn everything down. Just keep the same thing that she indirect keep the same thing about circling Chico. Just circle the castle and just fucking fire everywhere. Just. I don't know. Like it just stuff like that. I just think like, okay, I know like. What I can I jump in just a little bit. I'm sorry. Judge. This stuff. Like this. Getting our is crazy this. I'm not judging you know, I'm gonna Christie. I'm not judge a mentally listening to your point. I'm Kristie Camille will say this though. But I do understand when you say that things have to have you have to you have to set up Ramaphosa rules for even fantasy. I get that Frankie believable. I think maybe Christians about to go along those lines. That's literally what I was gonna say. Which is like listen it's fantasy. You're right. Like, it doesn't exist. So at that point much like the time travel and avengers. Like if you set up rules you need to follow those rules. That's why when when people took twenty minutes to run thousands of miles in season seven, that's why was so glaring. That's why we called it out. And so it's just like I'm kinda with you, man. I'm not I'm not I think we're taking a little bit too hard. I'm worried about you. Calm down. But at the same time, I'm with you like either you respect your own rules, otherwise why should anyone else respect them? No, you're right. And that's the thing is like logic is greater than emotion, Dan, and Dave has flip those around. So that's why went I'm saying I'm just accepting for the spectacle that I'm just now watching it for. That's why I'm fine with it. But don't let it be twisted here. I am annoyed with what they done with the show. I can't even I agree with you thousand percent right now where we are. I'm just like, you know, what I'm speaking with the show to the end. And we're ever they fall. I mean, it's clearly not gonna fall into. At this point. I'm like a lot of people say, I hate to this expression. But I'm never no more of an appropriate time to say this one episode to go is what it is one. Last question. My biggest fear. Will you think area aria will kill than defense that will happen? No, no, no. That you making yourself upset, but something even have now carry knowing. I'm telling you, are you will not do this as much as we might not like what they do with this show. I think that is going to be way to various end just lazy. If they had this girl to do to the biggest kills like she killed the boss of you know, when they did the would have had the white walkers. Now, she's gonna kill the nurse. No. Then not I'm gonna put money on it that they will not you're putting money that they will know what their salvage trip is go with the whole you're gonna shut is. They've done some things that we can go in and make arguments for that whether the bad writing where this bad writing enough, but that's that is way too. So the way to okay. So who do you think is the blue eyes? You said it was Brown ice green. I start. Yes. The riddle again. I don't, you know, little finger have green eyes. Trant maybe hit green is. I think at this point because you can see this in a lot of things are not gonna be able to answer you want to know. My look if I was gonna say something just take a guess, I'm with Herman over here. Josh, no, just Jon snow's gonna do probably, you know, people were thinking that Jamie was going to thirty. He's just like listen, and it makes sense because John is the only one who can get probably close enough to her to do it. And she's gone. Thank he's gonna do that. Now. I mean that just makes sense. How the fuck is. Are you get close to the is the ended the narrator in order to do that? I don't know mindless ally. Should that doesn't make any sense? No, you're gonna you're gonna stay awake at night. But rest on that one. That's not gonna happen up and tell you right is not if it does then I fuck it. I mostly. I'll go about my life. Felix? I know that you wanna say someone like Biblically yielded fields early now going bad. Just I'm loving chat roasting Carlos where his level of saltiness and called been ducking Carlos has been back. They sound like he really is grunting taking shit heaven and haunt. Yeah. Breathing, but that'd be the breathe. Yeah. I wanna hear what the I'm gonna let you say. I was talking about what you say. It is the Chad is Carlos left, his San importer. Carlos pull one out. Carlo down. Our hug take all of those. Somebody's this reading spoilers Quinton. He's not he's not spoiling thing. He's just raised up. And he says really fucked this show to be honest, man, I'm going to pour out one from a homey right here. Looks like ultimate war. Varies watching the whole time. Yeah. Carlos needs a hobby. It is a game of thrones. Let me see. Okay. Lot of Carlos. Discussion right here. People talking about do a drunk recap next week. No, I'm still recovering from his last drunk show. People telling me, no is eighty minutes. So we have another hour and twenty minutes show. All right. So that that has me concerned not gonna let has me concerned right there, man. Let's see here. People tom. I want to our back. Happy birthday Marcus forgot to say that we were rushing through things after next week. We will be completely back to normal. Yes. I cannot wait to get my life back on God. I'm so glad this at the beginning of the summer. So I can leave when at least a son is still just a little bit. I love a love these discussions. I'm having a great time. They had been we've been pulling double duty. And I wanna thank all you guys for that. No doing I mean, honestly, this is probably one of my highlights. Now, even knowing whatever happens with all of us. I'm glad I had this moment with you guys talking about arguably the biggest show of this year and one of the longest times, right? So so Corey thank you for that. But yeah, I can't wait for this shit to finish that. I'll be like Mila, Sandra. I'm gonna float away. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, what's the next big show that that will be doing something like this the game of thrones berry? Man. I I mean, I got a I'm kind of done with the with this a little while. Mandalay? It's november. Laura you're gonna be able to like bench that not? Really I read Netflixing done that with a couple of shows, and it's not very well accepted. When what when they stagger them. Yeah. When they do that weekly. Like, I remember like Netflix for bit was releasing their originals at weekly intervals can have tried to have the same kind of television note. People people were having none of that shit. Some people now will say there was some predictions that were wrong that people made. I'm glad they did do it. The wrong predictions. I'll tell you for this one that aria was going to run into Jamie and kill him and take his face. This is fucking stupid. And then she was going to go kill seriously fucking dumb and thought they were going to do because I thought they gonna do some Hollywood moment where is about to go rain the bail aria tax. Yeah. She doesn't know that the whole thing is hinge on that Bill be wrong. I'm like, okay. Fuck me, man. That was my prediction. But I was glad it didn't happen. I thought you're on somehow killed Jamie. And somehow Arya would just so happen to be there. Take you face. And I'm like. Point. Again, logic is already out the window. So sure why not. The window. You see based in based in mythology. They said had that happened. It makes establish that something she can do what you know what I would love it. If our two euros face still had her body. Crazy. I want to. I'll let you go ahead and talk about this. I think you have sort of a different opinion than humanity Carlos. Yeah. For sure and one thing I think is because I've I've read all the books, I've listened the audiobooks I've watched countless YouTube series on the history of all this and everything I think I've seen like so many different directions. People have justified it being able to go based on just like source material that I came to the season with zero expectation my only like actual complaint for anything. The season was episode three was too damn darkening that was like universally that was universally accepted truth that they have sort of. Ask you a question. Yeah. Where you a fan of the books. Yeah. I mean, I didn't hear about the books until like season two of this show. And I didn't even watch the show into season three started than I'm like, okay? Don't let me get into this. I enjoy this. And I am I'm like in this for like the journey is taking taking me on I'm going in with no expectations. And I'm one of the things. Also, I'm different than a lot of people. A lot of people were talking about the action scenes on this to me were this show is best when it's people sitting in room and talking they way they use dialogue to build dramatic tension. I think is really done in this latest episode. Like, I think Chris said this that scene with Jamie and Tyrian in the tent probably the best scene of this entire episode to me just because of how how it went on with the character. I gotta say this also been the biggest complaint though, that's been happening. Is that like you a lot of people just what you're saying? What you enjoy a lot of people aren't getting enough of in a will say that I whether I disagree on how much I like certain things, I do feel what other people filling in especially Christian where the, you know, those moments of talking have been pushed to the side, and there's not a balanced because they really starting to feel just a tad bit rush. You want to say some Chris while I was also going to say that I think unlike all the other seasons. Yeah. Dialogue was to people in a room talking for the first four even five season six, I don't know. That was always a strong point this season. All those moments have been like, hey, remember that thing I said to you in season to remember that thing I said to you in season four like everything that's been dramatic has been a callback an allusion to something that already happened. So those moments don't work as well for me. Because it's not like, it's it's it's amazing cathedrals of of, you know, story built out of a dialogue. It's like, oh, we're just referencing that shit that happened before. Yeah. You're it's okay. Else's allowed her which to me is still the best seen that has been in. This show is a ladder is. Oh, my favorite eighty that was between various little finger was outstanding. And that is one of the problems. I think probably one of the problems going into this is game of thrones. In a nutshell is a political drama, however, because the fantasy setting you kinda can't end it as a political drama. There has to be this fantasy epic ending to it to have any kind of real feel of resolution, whereas this whole thing could probably be negotiated somehow. Okay. Interesting point right there again that could be debated on on a good level. I mean, I'm not saying I disagree. I think. I know a lot of people will go in and they would have their opinions on this Christian would e what he would feel day with this. But we've been here for two hours. Thank you know, we've been here longer than the episode. But. We've been a lot more Sicily. I I think there was a lot to cover here. Even with the episodes probably being consistent length. This still so much to cover because there's so much to talk about and discuss with just one more episode coming up there's a lot of concerns as a lot of just to be explored. And and. And I'm I'm not I'm not even dreading the last. I'm really kind of. Curiosity has excited. It's inevitable. We're going to be in. One of the great things about this is nobody's opinion. Here is wrong. We're all just absorbing this show where where Carlos is wrong. But kim. Oh, man. I do. Bit too emotionally invested. But but I do I want to echo what Christians in. I think the only reason why we give you hard time. Carlos because we are worried about you man, this you're gonna get some high blood pressure shit really being let these. Imaginary characters get to humanity. Like, I was shaking watching episode. I was really upset. I was mad, but I'm like many people it'll be fine. It's good to be invested to a certain level. I don't want to die. What does that you didn't think I'm gonna Carlos? But you know, we're going to get on outta here man 'cause we have been here for a while. We can go on and on with this man is a lot of stuff to discussing. It is fun to talk about this. I want to chat for being here. This you've been great about this. I just want to read a couple of things before we leave. And what you guys are talking about. Let me see here. What we laughed about the DJ miles getting the karma because didn't watch the Walking Dead. Is that right? As you've been in that. Lean somebody said, ma'am, berry had a better ending tonight. If you haven't seen berry, definitely get on that thirty minute episodes all season two. I mean talk about being able to been something after having hour long episodes of, you know, thirteen episodes of something this is a easy to pal berry being on after game of thrones has made game of thrones harder to watch. Because you talk about the show that is constantly subverting your expectations. You thank you know, where it's going then zig zags like they might be my favorite thing on TV. Also. Sure nobles real good watch that people all trip Chernobyl's like a harsh. Oh, man. I haven't seen it. But you described it to me I have to be having a damn good day. So sorry for those cockney people. Ukraine and talking with a with an accent? I'm you'll British aggregation X, man. I'm on a play this just so you guys have some some context of what we're talking about here. I'm gonna play a little bit of the berry trailer for season two. Christian is right. You guys you need to jump on this, man. A lot of people told me about finally got in on it. I I love this show. I think I'm Pam person. Mr. Cousteau, I think you deeply human. I pray that people can change them nature fake. Can't you and I are in deep trouble. Why isn't this working? Sir. These million? The women's pants. Okay. Actor everybody thinks that actor forgot his name. But everybody thinks that actor just manufactured this weird. Look for the show. The guy has no hair. He has no I browse. And that's a real thing was him conditioning. Condemned. Yes. So he you're going to see him in different roles would full head of hair and a beard and whatnot night. He's like a muppet, you know. Called no Hanke money. Not really you could put all kinda hair. Address them up. But yeah, man, listen, listen to you man, Christian over here. Chad is talking about that a willow sequel coming up we can watch. Staying up late. It's like please bring back fat. Val Kilmer for that drunk all aren't everybody? We out Christian. Thank you, ma'am. For doing this with us. Thank you seriously. I mean, this has been monumental. And I know we all want our lives back, but I'm going to really I mean, I really appreciate you spending Sunday nights hanging out with you guys talking shit about the show. Yeah. In fact, I can't see in fact because I haven't had it hasn't happened yet. But next week a I'm just thinking about this right now and a one u we're gonna be coming in from Houston. So might not do a Sunday show. We might just end up doing game with Rome's for that night drunk show. We're gonna be traveling. I got back from mother's day. And we're still going to be doing a show that Sunday unless I'm not I'm not going to count it out unless something big really happens that has to be talked about if it's a day where we can kind of get by. We might have a Sunday service in just two game at throws because it's going to be the last episode. We're gonna be talking about the show pretty late. That'll be an event it'll be the event, I don't know. You know is going to have to be something, you know, truly bay a vengeance. Three's coming out. Yeah. It's going to have to be something that's going to be pretty big. So we might just save the knife of that monumental occasion. We'll have some drinks up in here. What night and we'll do the show like that. Enjoy watching not gonna I'm not gonna be here for that one. Oh, you're not gonna be. Oh, what have Washington? That's right. You're going to be in Washington. I'll be in Vegas Vegas. I can't wait to hear. What you guys? I'm definitely gonna watch it being a minimalist. Drive in crazy. Carlos a straightjacket. So yeah, we we might have somebody come in join us. It's been kind of four as good. He's kinda. He's kind of moderate wealth. So yes, so people desperately schedule next week. And we will see you. Then before we go. Let me go ahead on in bring up the I wanna thank all of you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Everybody. Thank you. Thank you so much thinking big thank all of you at their thinking thinking, thank you in scope and bring up the bumper here and. As usual. You know, what a reaches even when not streaming. You can always pop up in a keyboard type infamous Cooman at g mail dot com. That's Casey is com. Email questions comes couple impotent. What's providence? 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