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103: Haunted Lake Lanier

Ghost Town

18:19 min | 6 months ago

103: Haunted Lake Lanier

"America's deadliest lake I'm Jason Horton. I'm Rebecca Lieb, and this is a ghost town. Labor Day. Weekend is the traditional end of summer on Lake Linear so far this year on that lake eleven people have drowned or died in boating accidents well, it may not seem like a lot of numbers. That's the average with hundreds of lives lost since the lake was formed in the fifties okay. Sixty miles from Atlanta is lake linear. It's the largest lake in Georgia. An estimated eleven point eight million people visit each year for recreational activities swimming fishing whatever voting? Normal right well, it's also the deadliest lake haunted in probably cursed that interesting, so it's a it's a greatest hits of. Link it's a it's a holy trinity of terror with this lake, and again it is the largest lake in Georgia. Huge vacation spot, which still exists along with it being having what will get into just travesty after track travesty. Lake when year is is again. Man made it was built in nineteen, fifty seven by the US army. Corps of Engineers created to manage navigation flood control from the from the Chattahoochee. River and to supply water for residents of Atlanta. But the creation of the lake was. fucked up from the very beginning, it took five years to fill the lake to the intended water level, and while that was happening, the government purchased the all the land around it. It was about fifty thousand acres of farmland that displaced more than two hundred and fifty families, fifteen businesses and relocated. Wait for it twenty cemeteries along with their corpses to accommodate the lakes parameter. What could go wrong exactly also twenty cemeteries? That's insane. That's like I know fifty thousand acres lot, but. Seems like a high density of cemeteries. Cemetery pro or am I. Like was filling. Buildings and roads were flooded and abandoned creates this like waterworld type of situation on the lake's bottom, the bottom of the lake will put some picture laments. INSTAGRAM is Super Eerie. It's like there are completely constructed touchdowns with roads and walls and houses, and even some grave sites that are just. Submerged in water and have been since the sixties it's it's nuts. It's like this exist like someone's like huntoon boning up. Upstairs criminal Atlanta's down there. Yeah, exactly so just a baby Atlantis where people die, nobody deal. Not only that an estimated six hundred seventy five people have died in the lake, and not all the bodies have been found did little math Jason. You're like this and that's almost one death per month per year since linear was made in nineteen, fifty seven. let's get onto the huntings too showy. Now that's first holdings first deaths first. Let's start with the nets. The Law Enforcement Division of the Georgia Department of Natural Resources reported a total of one hundred forty five five drownings and fifty seven boating fatalities at Lake. Lanier from Nineteen Ninety nine to twenty eighteen, for comparison like altoona, which is North West Georgia host about seven million people, and from two thousand fifteen to two thousand eighteen altoona accumulated total of sixteen lake, related deaths compared to lake, a linear forty-three, so. Okay Great. It's got that up on it to Richard Steve or a frequenter of the lakes that he's witnessed a very large number of accidents that seem incredibly strange. Quote for some reason. This lake seems to claim a lot of people every year. Regardless of the season, fishermen have gotten hurt. Boats have been capsized. On July, Nineteenth Two thousand twelve eleven year old Kyle Glover who happened to be the son of rb singers usher's ex wife to make a foster. If you remember this was struck while riding an inner tube by a family acquaintance riding a Jetski, and was rendered brain dead, although doctors struggled to save his life, he died two weeks later on July twenty first and was taken off of life support. A fifteen year, old friend of the boys was also seriously injured in the same incident, but ultimately recovered thankfully. But just to give you like a little bit of a death sampler with Lake. Lanier let us go to last year. Twenty nineteen I'm going to tell you. Some of the deaths that happened in May June July of twenty. Nineteen on May ninth twenty. Nineteen to boaters went missing after a boat crash the body of one voter fifty-nine-year-old Radislav Pace. was recovered, but the second body has not been found. On Memorial Day weekend, two deaths occurred on the lake, less than twenty four hours from each other. The body of thirty year, Old Reginald Whitehead of Perry was located around ten forty five pm on May. Twenty fifth at Shell Creek Park followed by sixty one year old Michael Thompson just after midnight near his boat dock in the fifty four hundred block of Pine Forest Road. On June thirtieth a twenty eight year old man Corey Brown died after jumping in Lake Lanier to save distressed friend. The man was said to have jumped into the water never appeared again. Sonar devices, and a plane were used in the search, but nobody was found. On July eleven th the father and son had been pulled out of the water. Live died inexplicably the son in the hospital on July eighteenth. And the father of the next day the day after that a woman writing water scooter crashed into one of Lake laniers Docs, and died from her injuries again. It's just a sampling. We're deaths. Close to shore. People being pulled in even drivers who lost control of their vehicles go careening off the roads to crash into the water. There are various stories of boats hitting something in the water. Only for it to turn out. There was absolutely nothing their boats or other watercraft, capsizing no apparent reason and sudden dangerous rogue waves that seemed to come from nowhere without warning. Of course a hit, the Lake Rainier read it for some personal stories This is from Midwest product. There was another freak drowning last summer two thousand fourteen that my friend is still troubled by he and a guy were sitting on noodles and Geico right off. Some guys swim platforms. GEICO also, apparently like a gay social pickup spot. Just having regular conversation. My friend decided to get out in the other guy decided. He wanted to dive down for a second before getting out he did it just never surfaced. It took dive crews six hours to find the guy, and he was just laying at the bottom, not tangled on anything. They said he likely got disoriented and swam in the wrong direction. My friend is still bothered by it. Nothing seemed wrong and the next second. This guy just. and to add to the mystery of the guy that drowned came out on another boat. The boat's owner was an older wealthy man with a facebook group. Where younger guys could join a gift free rides on the lake. The Guy who drowned got a ride on this on a boat via this group and left his wallet and idea in his car in the parking lot, and it was I, I I'm out on the lake, so no one knew who he was, he was just John DOE for awhile to sitting, at the bottom, Lake. Dead another person said my mom was always against going to Lake Lanier because she thought it was cursed, I went once on a girl scout trip, and a giant snake just started swimming towards me and chased me out of the lake. Pretty intense not quite as intense as some of the haunting, Kerr stories were about to hear, people have gotten in trouble in the lake and survive have talked feeling like they've been pulled underwater or held under by unseen hands of having the air suddenly seemed to leave their lungs and caused exhaustion. In some cases, people who drowned fairly close to shore have had their bodies turn up in positions far from where they died. You reach out into the dark, and you feel an arm or leg, and it doesn't move. That's creepy, said Buck Buchanan local lake lanier diver. There have been occasional reports of a mysterious raft equipped with a lantern on a pole ridden by shadowy figure that uses the poll to push along which appears and disappears out of nowhere in one account to fishermen, saw the ghostly raft out on the Laker on one am. In the morning. The raft was around half a mile away about forty five feet of water yet. The rider was pushing it along with the poll. At one point. The man in the shot shouted something to the two fishermen and proceeded to jump off the raft into the freezing water swim towards them this alarm, the two fishermen who pulled in their lines and were hurry trying to get out of there. Then the lantern on the raft abruptly went out. When the fisherman's shown, their boats spotlight out across the water. There was raft and no man. Then there's the case of Georgia Man Kelly Nash twenty-five. Who went missing from his home in Beaufort on January Fifth Twenty fifteen? Early, that morning at four am, he woke with flu, like symptoms like coughing and sneezing, and told his girlfriend that he terrible and should probably see dr he left in his girlfriend went back to bed at seven thirty am. Shoe woke to find that Nash was gone and had not taken his. Wallet Car Keys or ID with him when Nashville had not returned that evening, police recalled in and discover that a nine millimeter pistol was missing from nashes house, but none of his other belongings were missing out a place. A massive search ensued involving authorities, family and friends and a fifty thousand dollar award one month later. Guess what Nashes body decomposed was found in lake linear by a fisherman. He was still wearing his Pajama pants and dark shirt that he'd had on when he went missing. His body had no trauma to it except for a single gunshot wound to the head, and it's not been solved. Let's take a little break now. Today's episode is sponsored by payoff. Dot Com. You've tried balance transfers and budgeting, but high interest rates and unrelenting bill cycles make it almost impossible to get out of credit card debt on your own instead of another. Another new savings technique you need a clear path out of debt, and that's what a payoff loan can do. 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Good payoff dot com slash ghost town. We have a new mayor. New. Mayor Time Silent. Sam Who? Is still in the House Brandon Gadston, the House now silent, Sam who mysterious very mysterious shadowy figure I like that we need like kind of A. Yeah a mayor that we don't know much about south keeping us on our toes. I. Don't know if you can hear we. have an earlier curfew. We just found out. We just got an alert, so we're doing this. Right under the wire fairly under the wire this hour. Right under the wire, but we hope you're you're safe and we hope your loved ones are safe and sell friends and. People you care about and you're you're you're holding together? Let let me tell you another case around Lake Linear. Sixteen year old Gainesville High School. Student Hannah true. Love went missing from our apartment complex close to Lake Lanier on August twenty, fourth, two, thousand, twelve, the following day Hannah's body was found in wooded area by the lake by another resident of the complex. The girl had been stabbed multiple times not fatally, and she had not drowned. Making the case, even career was a series of tweets Hannah had made on twitter shortly before her death that expressed general discontent with her life at the apartment complex in her fear of stocker with one chilling tweet Julie stating so scared right now. Hannah's father would later claim that his daughter had seemed normal unhappy up until her death, Hannah true love's death remains unsolved. Probably the most notorious case of Lake Lanier is the case of Delia Parker young in April of Nineteen fifty eight Delia Park Young worked Riverside Military Academy her friend. Susie Roberts headed off to three gables in Dawson Bill Georgia in Suzy's nineteen, fifty, four Ford for a night out, just a couple of girls having some fun, but they never came home. A subsequent investigation into their disappearance that they had visited a gas station that night, and left without paying the only clue left at the scene, was a set of skidmarks across the road, suggesting the cards skidded off the lake, Lanier Bridge, and into the lake below, but no vehicles found divers were brought in to search for the car were able to locate it to poor visibility in the murky water, and the masses of sheared off trunks and. And Litter on the lake's bottom for eighteen months, police were unable to find any clues or traces of the women or the car, but then a fisherman named Ca. Simpson founded decomposed body that had floated up from the lake. It wasn't positively identified at the time, and was missing to toews from the left foot, and both hands it was never ascertained just why the body was missing its hands or toes, or what seemed to cause the death. With, no way of knowing of the corpse was that of Delia. It was eventually buried in unmarked grave in Alta Vista cemetery in Georgia. The body of Susie Roberts and the car remained a mystery. Fast forward to November of nineteen, ninety with the construction and expansion of Lake Lanier bridge it was then the construction crew uncovered a rusty, nineteen, fifty four, and inside the remains of a human body. The car had been hidden with trunks mud, other types of things, and it was in ninety feet of water down a steep slope, the body was decomposed to the point of being unidentifiable, but the belongings founded in it, including a per shrinks and watch work able to conclusively prove that the body was that of long-missing Suzy Roberts. In light of this discovery, it was concluded that the other body had indeed been Delia Parker Young, so the headstone of her grade was changed accordingly and Suzy Roberts was buried next to her. All the deaths of deal park, young and Suzy Roberts or mostly forgotten. The case gave birth to one of the most persistent and frightening legends of the lake. Since? Delia Park young more blue dress in the day, she went missing and was missing her hands when she was found. It is said that many people see a ghostly young woman dressed in a blue dress, and missing her hands, walking up and down the length of the linear bridge, according to those who claim to have seen the ghost, which had since become known as the Lady of the Lake Deals, restless spirits seems to be searching for missing hands, another leg lifts and blew. Away Chile Mike Yeah there are so many other insane freak, accidents and deaths that make this lake so terrifying. Why do people go there to be patient because people like you talking about in and you know promoting? Guests free. In your marketing makes me want to go. Yeah, but we are. What are most people like us? It's hard to say I. Think I like I like this lake from afar I don't know if I would wanNA. Take Jetski on it. You know what I mean and you. You Love Jet Skiing, so that's one thing to know about me. I love to Jetski. Count me in. All right. Are we headed. OR IN A. Park down the road. WHO's paying attention to this place in the middle and I, Don't know if you saw. Their website I'm pretty sure it's bigfoot eating A. Super Mound Ohio The Garden of Eden. I think it kind of makes sense then that forbidden fruit be. Oh Yeah. Yeah Oh my God. Make sense where new biblical. A Grown out. Go Hudson, demons? Are Those. Is. said. There's nobody here. It's just fascinating. If bigfoot suddenly popped out. I wouldn't Christ. Some kind of alien and Kellner. Think Aliens would definitely be attracted to that. Sally hemmings was Thomas Jefferson's but I if your. Sister American history American culture in particular. There is no better way. Than to start with the car, I mean these are almost like. A. Car Graveyard. Wow, and that's the story is coming from. You mean Stanley Meyer the inventor of the water car. He died. In the parking lot of the cracker barrel in Grove City Ohio his last words I was poisoned. died tonight. Would you be in heaven or hell? You can tag along in our adventures. Wherever you enjoy PODCASTS, we'll take you with us to the most interesting places chat with strange people and explore the forgotten. Be Weird. Stay curious. These are the files.

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Do Preserved Bodies Dwell in Lake Tahoes Depths?! The Truth Behind Tahoes Myths

Bay Curious

11:21 min | 1 year ago

Do Preserved Bodies Dwell in Lake Tahoes Depths?! The Truth Behind Tahoes Myths

"Take you to the fun. They tell who swinging for decades Lake Lake Tahoe has been a backyard playground for many who live in the bay area. There's water sports and biking in the summer some superb hiking in spring and fall and my personal favorite skiing all winter long. If you dig through old advertisements you find not. Lake Tahoe was once a place that offered retreat for city dwellers looking to get away from the crowds. Check out this squaw valley commercial from the late Nineteen Eighty S. I love skiing for over fifty years but I hate ready line and in the whole world only squaw valley guarantees no waiting in line or your money back. What are you waiting for kids. Under thirteen and over sixty five ski squaw valley for only five dollars things have gotten a bit more crowded and a lot more more expensive since then a few months ago we asked for your questions about the lake today will take on a few urban legends are their they're dead bodies at the bottom of the lake tahoe tessie real plus a serious question to why is it important to keep Taco blue. I'm Lydia Allen Price. This is curious and this week we're collaborating with the makers of the Tahoe land podcast from capital public radio stay with US support for Bay curious comes from the institute on Aging providing specialized care for those with dementia or Alzheimer's both in their home and at at the enrichment day center learn more at I o aging dot org. I'm here with Ezra David Romero host of Tahoe land capital public radio's new podcast about how the Tahoe you know and love is changing scientists are predicting a place with less snow more extreme wildfires and a lake that could even turn Green as right investigates all this in the series and we teamed up with Tall and to answer your questions about the lake. Hey has Hey there okay so our first question comes from listener. Casey Jones and I have to admit this is a question that I have to so. You're doing double duty. Answering us for us are the depths of Lake Tahoe so deep that the lack of light oxygen and life stops decay and there are dead bodies floating in perfect preservation at these depths lake tahoe's one of the deepest lakes in North America at one thousand six hundred and forty five feet deep you it reporting. I kept on hearing all these rumors about these perfectly preserved dead bodies in the lake we heard from a guy named. Dave Antonucci Tahoe story in in that area so let's hear from what he has to say the water of Lake Tahoe is alive with microorganisms and larger organisms that feed on dead plant and an animal matter so over time what happens is the body decomposes as normally would all you're left with is fillings body piercings and joint joint replacements so dead bodies. Things may just decompose slower because it's colder and there's less light. I love that answer because I will admit every time I'm in Lake Tahoe. I'm I'm thinking about the bodies that I believed were down at the bottom of the lake so I will swim a little easier next time. When I was a kid we'd go out on the lake in a boat and there's this moment in the podcast talk my dad throwing us off the boat and just being freaked out that we can't see the bottom and thinking there's this giant fish down there well speaking of giant fish that might be be in the lake that gets us to question number two which comes from Alison savage from San Francisco and she wants to know what's the history behind the Tahoe Tennessee Z. Legend now for people who don't know as they're out what is Tahoe Tessie Tahoe Tessie. Is this like prehistoric looking monster. That people claim is in the lake. It's kind of like the Loch ness monster or other monsters and lakes around the world that you see in popular fiction and things like that big mythical dinosaur looking at some of the long neck and like flippers or something like that you know we asked Dave about this as well and he points out that Lake Tahoe's only a couple million years old so there is a monster living in the lake. It's it's no it can be prehistoric. He says people though have seen shadows or debris or maybe this big fish called sturgeon. There's been around for a long time and if you've seen scene one it it. Kinda has a prehistoric look to it as kind of Scaly with large fins and a kind of dinosaur looking snout they grow grow quite large that can grow up to twenty two feet long and the conditions are in Lake Tahoe or such that they could survive so tahoe tessie might not be a real oh thing but there are all kinds of critters in Lake Tahoe Lake Trout shrimp crawdads all kinds of things that are actually living there that don't belong along there is one organism in particular that has having monstrous affects. Tell us about that. They're called my sister half an inch long. They're clear sure and they lift the bottom of the lake and the reason why they're an issue is because they eat up all the good organisms and the lake that clear Lake Tahoe's water we went out there uh-huh help remove them with the UC Davis scientists so let's hear a little bit of the podcasts from that night. It's the middle of the night then a boat with brand. We're here to catch some shrimp. We're headed south out of TACO. City down to Admiral May one of the more scenic mountains on the way introducing these little shrimp into the lake has completely changed the Aquatic Arctic system but how do they even get here well. It was the nineteen sixties authorities in California and Nevada. Put them in there as fish food when I first got here. I was working on the deep Living Lake Trout at certain times of the year. They were stuck full of these shrimp. These shrimp don't like light so they lurk near the bottom during the day. The lake is so so deep that the fish can't see them so they don't eat them that whole fish food idea was a bust and the shrimp population doomed when the sun sounds the shrimp travel to the surface. That's why we're out here. At night. We just came into Emerald Bay and this is really one of the jewels of Lake Tahoe were surrounded by snowcapped cat peaks and the water here is just as beautiful emerald color so this is what we're working on the shrimp and we're looking at how to harvest them. Dan Most efficiently the bad news is that the shrimp eat microscopic organisms called Zooplankton that keep Tahoe's water clear and blue we're going to do is we started down here. In the southwest part of the Bay transit the full be blinking the bay. We get down to this end. We're GONNA make a u-turn this idea to remove the shrimp developed a strange occurrence almost a decade ago in twenty eleven the shrimp all but disappeared in Emerald Bay for no apparent reason what what happened next shocked researchers the bays water clarity doubled. It was clearer than the rest of the lake. The shrimp came back though and then the water got cloudy again now. Branch team is working to reenact that strange moment by removing the shrimp with nets at night doors bring gloom in Katie. Sept- helped is one of the researchers ahead. We'll grab a five gallon bucket to put a little bit of Lake Water in it. Cut Open the bottom in the net so we you can take a look at how many my sister got. Here's grants hypothesis if they can take seventy five percent of the shrimp out of the lake. It's crystal clear glory measured in Nineteen Sixty Eight will return you could potentially use a whole fleet of autonomous boats that left their slip when recreational boating is done go out and trawl or use other techniques pumping shrimp up and treating them with you the light or using that warm water treatment when they're done. Maybe four in the morning before recreational regional voting starts. All of those autonomous boats go back dock themselves and their slips. It sounds a little crazy but the technology is there envision. A fleet of autonomous miss boats vacuuming up shrimp every night. They're kind of like room buzz on the water. This will take a lot of money and a lot of time but it'd be huge for tourism and the Lake's Sakala G. I S. brands boss Jeff. Shaw to- about this. There's actually a lot of hope that there is a way forward on clarity and where this ties is in with climate change is that if you have a lot of the native zooplankton back then even if sediments coming in at the surface in a warmer lake arraigned dominated system that this setup to to deal with that. Why is it so important that we keep Tahoe blue. I feel like I see those signs all over the place whenever I'm up anywhere near Tahoe. It's two things right. It's this aesthetic value that we assigned to the lake. You know I grew up going to like tile and I know coming over that Ridge. You see that bluewater how it's supposed hosted look and if that goes away you know it's just it's just a change in mentality about this place but secondly it's also a sign of changing ecosystem. They could kill off things that living win there now native fish native plants and it would just become a different place altogether so it's kind of like what do we want this place to become what are scientists sang about all this so. I spoke with one of the top environmental researchers and Olive Tahoe his name's Jeff Flato. He's with UC Davis and he told me he's not sure how long it would take for this process access to happen of a lake turning blue green or this entire ecosystem changing but he says all of this hinges on how we take care of Lake Tahoe so I brought my buddy Charlie pick roll with me to this interview and he asked Jeff a question that I think it's the heart of this matter. What are things that you think that we could do or maybe that you would do yourself so that when we do visit they were having less of an impact on the quality of the lake itself. It starts with how you're getting here and. I wish there were better options on how to get here but there are what you more or less obligated to have a have a vehicle and that creates a lot of congestion. It also creates a lot of pollutant inputs. Put the weight so the fact that you starting traffic for an hour in the middle of summer. Even if you're lucky enough to have view the leak you're not helping it by just I'd like we get a lot more into that in the first episode of the podcast when we explored this idea of keeping Tahoe blue and what the issues are around climate change and actually preserving the lake and where people listen at Camp Radio Dot org slash talent wherever you listen to podcasts all right well as David Romero. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me thanks to our question. NASCAR's this week Casey Jones and Alison savage. We've answered more of your questions spends about Lake Tahoe online questions like what would it take to have more frequent train service from the bay area truckee visit bakeries that org for that answer Sir and more or check out our show notes be curious as made in San Francisco at K. Q. E. D. I'm Lydia Allen. Price have a great week.

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Lake Nyos Toxic Gas Cloud

Natural Disasters

34:20 min | 5 months ago

Lake Nyos Toxic Gas Cloud

"It was the evening of August twenty, first, nineteen, eighty, six in the remote village of Lower Nieto's in northwest Cameroon. Residents finish their evening meals ready themselves for the next day's market and settled into bed Ephraim Cha. A subsistence farmer lived in a mud brick home on a cliff above Lake Nieto's the nearby volcanic Crater Lake Justice. He was about to go to sleep. He heard a rumbling sound and saw an eerie white mist rise from the service of the lake. He thought it must be rain. A few miles away Halima Suli. cowherd lived at the base of Lake Nieto's. She heard the same rumbling frame suddenly what she described as a great wind swept through her village, but it wasn't wind at all. It was a cloud of lethal gas. Suddenly, she fell unconscious. A deadly force buried deep in the lake, had just been unleashed by morning. Nearly two thousand people would be dead. Welcome to natural disasters podcast original. I'm your host Kate and I'm Tim. Every Thursday will explore the moments in history. When the natural world turned deadly, you can find all episodes of natural disasters, and all other parkas originals for free on spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts, the stream natural disasters for free on spotify. Just open the APP anti natural disasters in the search bar this week. We're doing a single episode. Toxic gas disaster at Lake Nieto's the volcanic lake in Cameroon unleashed a cloud of. Of deadly gas that killed more than seventeen hundred people overnight. This disaster was only the second of its kind in recorded history, alerting scientists to a new threat, lurking in the watery deep in this episode will uncover the geologic features that made Lake Nieto's ticking time. Bomb will also explore the fateful night. That Lake Nieto's finally exploded releasing a cloud of lethal gas on thousands of unsuspecting villagers finally will examine the aftermath of the tragedy and investigate efforts to prevent similar catastrophes at lake, Niaz and beyond. Will dive into the disaster right after this? The Central African nation of Cameroon is about the size of California. It's surrounded by land on three sides with the Gulf of Guinea to the West Cameroon straddles the equator with warm temperatures year round, and the land is geologically vibrant and volatile. This volatility is due to the thousand mile chain of volcanoes that begins in the ocean and ends in the mountainous border region between Cameroon and Nigeria between four hundred five hundred years ago, magma rose up from the Earth's. This mountain range when the magma came into contact with the water table deep underground, it caused a massive eruption. The force of the eruption formed a giant crater about a mile in diameter and nearly seven hundred feet deep. Instead of typical bowl shaped volcano, this depth made the crater more like a drilled hole in the earth, and this whole was deep enough to completely bury a sixty storey building over time water filled the crater, creating a freshwater lake called Nieto's this newly available fresh water made human settlement possible in the region, like never before villages sprung up within a ten mile radius of the lake, particularly in the valley to the north, but Lake Nieto's also had two unique features that would prove deadly I Lake Nieto's is one of only three known lakes in the world to be saturated with carbon dioxide, also known as C. O. Two. Saturation occurs when a lake is holding the maximum possible amount of a gas, the carbon dioxide in League Nieto's is a by product of volcanic activity. Magma flows close beneath the lake floor, and when it comes into contact with certain forms of rock, such as limestone and marble, carbon dioxide is released the co two. Upwards via fissures in the Earth's crust. If the fishers release the C O two into the air, it is like pouring sparkling water into a glass. The Co two dissipates gradually and his harmless, but in the case of Lake Nieto's the cracks in the earth for Co two directly into the water at the bottom of the lake where the pressure is extreme. At Sea Level Atmospheric. Pressure is fourteen point six pounds per inch. That means that as you walk down the street. There's fourteen point six pounds of pressure pushing against your body from the weight of the atmosphere above you at the bottom of lake. Nieto's under almost seven hundred feet of water. The pressure is roughly three hundred pounds per square inch over twenty times the pressure on the surface when placed under this extreme pressure, the carbon dioxide dissolves in water. This is how soda in Champagne or made. The carbon dioxide remains in dissolved form until the pressure is released by opening the soda can or popping the cork then the carbon dioxide instantly. Instantly returns to gas creating bubbles, the higher the pressure, the more carbon dioxide water can hold the temperature also impact the amount of saturation. Colder water can hold more carbon dioxide than warmer water, the greater the saturation level, the more powerful the reaction, if the pressure is released much like shaking the bottle of champagne before popping the cork at the bottom of Lake Nieto's the frigid, highly pressurized water can hold up to five leaders of dissolved gas in just one liter of water, but by itself the presence of Co, two and lake. Nieto's wasn't necessarily dangerous. It was the other unique trade of the lake that made a recipe for disaster. Lake water changes temperature depending on depth, the warmest water is at the surface heated by solar energy. Cold water is denser than warm water. It sinks to the bottom of the lake in the winter. Lower air temperatures cool the surface of the lake, and the now cold water sinks toward the bottom. This causes the lake water to mix a process called. Lake, turnover. Most lakes around the world over twice each year once in the fall, and once in the spring of the surface layer, warms and polls the water upward. But Cameroon is near the equator where temperatures stay similar year round. This meant the surface water and Lake Nieto's didn't cool and sink in the fall as a result. Lake Neo swin decades or even centuries without turning over this lack of mixing that the carbon dioxide in the deepest parts of Lake Niaz became more saturated with each passing year. Estimates suggest Lake Nieto's contained millions of leaders of dissolved Co, two by August one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty six. overfill tire that can burst with little warning, even a slight change in. Pressure could cause the dissolved co two to erupt out of the water and it had happened before. Just two years before Lake Nieto's reached a critical tipping point. Another lake turned deadly on August Fifteenth Nineteen eighty-four, only sixty two miles from the OS. Lake Manoon released a toxic cloud of carbon dioxide. Thirty seven people died at the time. Scientists were puzzled. None of their explanations made sense. One vulcanologist doctor Harold. Wilson proposed that an eruption of carbon dioxide from the lake caused the deaths, the renown journal. Science rejected his study calling it far fetched. Nobody would look at cigarette sins research again until it was too late, but scientists still divided over the cause of. Of The lake noon, tragedy, the people living near Lake Neo had no warning of the grave danger, there lake post as the levels of carbon dioxide in Nieto's rose to treacherous levels, villagers in communities near Lake. Nieto's went about their daily lives. The village of Lower Nieto's was built on the lakeshore. Five miles to the north was the town of CBA a few miles beyond that was the village of CIA more than six thousand people lived across the three villages, most were farmers or cattle herders on August twenty, first, nineteen, eighty six. Their lives changed forever. There was a market planned for the next day and lower. Nieto's and many villagers went to bed early Ephraim Cha the farmer who lived with his four children in a house on a cliff above the lake was sitting in bed when he heard a low rumble Halima Suli at home near the shore of the lake, heard the same sound. Alarmed. She stopped to listen as the rumble grew louder. It was a rockslide. Hundreds of tonnes of volcanic rock slid down the cliff faces, and plunged into the lake as the rocks plummeted toward the lake bottom, they passed through colder and colder layers of water, each one more, highly pressurized than the one above as the rocks reached the deepest layers of the lake, their size and motion disturbed the carbon dioxide, rich water resting. They're much like. Like dropping stone into a glass of water with sand at the bottom, when the rock lands, some of the sound is blasted upward when the boulders hit the bottom of the lake, they shattered the deep stable pressure with less pressure on the disturbed water, the dissolved Co, two suddenly burst into an explosion of bubbles like opening seven hundred foot, tall champagne bottle. A wall of water exploded out of the lake, propelled by the massive wave of rising co two as that water cascaded back down into the lake, it created a twenty five foot wave that pummeled the lake, southern shore, the force of the wave, tore trees and bushes out at the root, stripping the land bear for two hundred fifty feet inland. At the same time as the wave rushed across the lake, scientists estimate that roughly one point six million tons of carbon dioxide burst out of the water in under twenty seconds, the million plus tons of CO, two gas formed a white cloud over the surface of the lake. It was hundreds of feet, tall, and nearly a mile wide. Papa NOCCO, a local resident said the thing was like white cloth. It went down near the ground. The cloud of gas blanketed the surface of the lake it spilled over the rim of the crater, rolling silently across the valley toward the sleepy towns below there was little warning and no escape. 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A little after nine PM on August, twenty first nineteen eighty six villagers in rural Cameroon we're getting ready for bed when they heard a rumbling sound. A rockslide disturbed the deep waters of nearby Lake Nieto's releasing over a million tons of dissolved carbon dioxide into the air in less than twenty seconds, the carbon dioxide exploded out of the lake, sending a twenty five foot wall of water, crashing onto the shore, a massive cloud of CO, two gas spread out from the lake once the cloud of gas completely filled the. The crater it spilled over the north, lip and race downhill into the valley, below at nearly forty five miles per hour, Lima Sui who lived with her husband for children, and extended family at the Base Blake was amongst the first to fall prey to the speeding missed. She felt a gust of wind blow through her village followed by a warm sensation throughout her body. Moments later she was unconscious. Carbon Dioxide isn't toxic on its own. In fact, we expel it with every sale of breath, but as the concentration of carbon dioxide increases, it wreaks havoc on the human body. Normal air is just four one hundreds of percent carbon dioxide. The rest is composed of mostly nitrogen and oxygen breathing air with just zero point, one percent carbon dioxide causes increased blood, pressure, racing, heartbeat, dizziness, headache, and hallucinations, four percent Sio two will snuff out candles C, O two concentrations of ten percent or higher cause, hyperventilation, convulsions and loss of consciousness in less than a minute above seventeen percent. percent unconsciousness and death occur within seconds. The deadly cloud was almost one hundred percent, pure carbon dioxide, and because carbon dioxide is one and a half times heavier than normal air, the gas clouds stayed near the ground in the same way that, during a flood water will rush into the basement of a house in rise from their carbon dioxide will begin by blanketing the lowest lying space available as the co two fills more of the space. Readable air is displaced. The one hundred fifty foot tall cloud pushed the breathe air out of the entire Nieto's valley, suffocating everything in its path, including animals. The cloud I tore through the lakeside compound where Halima Suli lived then rolled downward to lower Nieto's. It has fixated humans, cattle, birds, and insects, almost nothing that breathed could survive the concentrated gas. The wall of gas covered the few miles to the village of Sebnem in minutes, the effects of the gas were so rapid that people fell to the ground right where they were standing at their cooking stoves in their yards near their beds at nine thirty five PM. The invisible cloud rolled through the village of. Located, seven miles from Lake Nieto's, some villagers realized something terrible was. But were unable to form words without oxygen, which prevented them from warning others one man reported I could not speak I heard my daughter snoring in a terrible way very abnormal when crossing my daughter's bed, I collapsed, and fell I wanted to speak. My breath would not come out. The eruption of gassin inundation of the villages likely took less than thirty minutes, but the heavy carbon dioxide was slow to dissipate particularly from the areas with lowest elevation, suffocating gas lingered overnight with devastating consequences. At dawn the following morning August twenty second, the horrified survivors came face to face with the scale of the destruction airframe. CIA, headed downhill toward the shore of Lake Nieto's. He noticed that the lake which was normally blue had turned sickening rust color. This resulted from iron oxide, rich sediment polled from the bottom of the lake, coming into contact with oxygen near the surface, large mats of vegetation, floated on the lake surface torn from the shoreline by the giant wave. Then CIA noticed the utter silence. There were no insect sounds no birds. It was as though everyone and everything around the lake was dead. His legs began to shake with fear. Suddenly he heard blood curdling screams. He ran toward the sound and found Halima Suli Wailing. Suli was screaming in horror and grief. She was outside her home, surrounded by the corpses of her four children and thirty one of her family members. She shook her father over and over in vain attempt to revive him. Realizing that something unthinkable had happened Cho- ran further downhill to the home of his extended family. He prayed that they had been spared. Unfortunately when he arrived, he discovered that his parents, siblings, aunts and uncles all perished in the villages hardest hit the death toll was staggering out of the eight hundred villagers and lower Nieto's only six survived all told the gas cloud killed more than seventeen hundred people and thirty five hundred livestock, one villager described the grisly scene that morning she said, just sitting among the dead people inside the house outside animals, everywhere, fowls, ducks, cows everything all the family. We were fifty six, it fifty three died. The gas cloud snuffed out the lives of many in the valley. A lucky few survived some escape the disaster because they were away from the Valley by Chance Mercy Bid Age twelve was away buying supplies for twenty six member extended family. All of her relatives died which she was spared. Others survived because they happen to be on Higher Ground Chuck Hammet Sang Jerome was eight years old, nine members of his family survived. He said that night was a miracle. It was a stroke of luck that our house was located on a hillside. The toxic gas did not completely envelope the hills as it did in the valleys. Finally inexplicably, some people in the low lying villages survived emerging from unconsciousness between six and thirty six hours after the cloud moved through, many of those survivors had mysterious lesions and blisters on their bodies. At first doctors thought the lesions with an of a chemical burn caused by a gas other than carbon dioxide, one that has corrosive effects on the skin. It turns out that carbon dioxide caused the reactions when people fainted from his fixation blood circulation to the skin, decreased and pressure on certain body parts, increased sores and blisters formed on the skin in response to the pressure and reduced blood flow, similar sores form on the bodies of patience in drug induced comas in the early hours and days after the disaster survivors face the consequences alone, Lake Nieto's is in a remote part of Cameroon and had little communication. Communication with the outside world. It wasn't until two days after the disaster on August, twenty third nineteen, eighty six that the outside world learn what happened a Swiss missionary service, traveling by helicopter spotted dead humans and dead cattle strewn across the landscape and reported the news to authorities once the news was reported, the Cameroonian military arrived they buried the bodies of victims in mass graves in evacuated most of the survivors fearing that disaster could strike again at any moment. F frame CIA was one of the few allowed to stay in the area because his house was on high ground, he remained in place with his wife and children as well as seven of his uncle's children orphaned by the disaster, but most residents had to leave their homes. Four thousand people were relocated to seven refugee camps. The military destroyed the houses in the villages near Lake Neo so that nobody could return. After the villagers fled the area, the mystery still remained as to what killed their families. And it might return. COMING UP! Scientists discover the scope of the danger lurking in the lake now back to the story. On August twenty, first nineteen, eighty-six, Cameroon's volcanic lake neo spewed forth a massive cloud of lethal gas. The cloud of carbon dioxide smothered nearby villages, killing nearly two thousand people and thirty five hundred livestock in a single night within days of the disaster, scientists from around the world arrived at Lake Nieto's to try to piece together what happened? There were several possible explanations including chemical weapons, Orrin underwater volcanic eruption, a chemical weapon. Weapon could explain so many deaths, but examination of the bodies didn't support that theory. An underwater volcanic eruption could also explain the deaths, but an eruption would cause the lake temperature to rise and the temperature of Lake Nieto's was unchanged. The true culprit remained hidden then Dr George Cling and Dr Bill Evans two of the earliest scientists to arrive on the scene decided to test water from the bottom of the lake. Lake to search for clues, they lowered a sample container to the bottom, filled it with water, and began raising it to the surface. When the container came into view, they saw that water was literally bursting out of it. The scientists suddenly realized there were enormous stores of gas in the lake. It was that clue that allowed them to piece together. What really happened even as the scientific community was initially skeptical Dr. Dr, cling explained why the carbon dioxide theory was so hard for scientists to stomach at first, he said the idea that a lake itself could done. This didn't really fit with anyone's expectation. Lakes don't kill people. People may drown, but lakes just don't explode and kill people, so it was a leap to go from a relatively easy explanation of a volcanic eruption to something that no one had ever heard of before. Scientists were shocked to discover that lakes could kill people now. They needed to prevent it from happening again. In March of nineteen eighty seven six months after the disaster, at Lake Nieto's Cameroon held an international conference of scientists devoted to preventing future tragedies around crater lakes. One of those scientists hydrologist Gregory Tanya lakey studied lake neo S- in the subsequent decade, and found that an estimated fifty five hundred tons of carbon dioxide poured into the lake annually by Nineteen ninety-five Lake contained as much as seventy, two thousand cubic. Of Co two hundreds of times, the amount that erupted in nineteen, eighty, six, desperate for solutions in nineteen, ninety, five a team of French, scientists tested a method for preventing future disasters. They believed that if the lake could release, it's stored co two gradually. A catastrophic lake turnover event wouldn't happen again. Their proposed system was called an organ pipe, a six hundred ninety foot, long pipe, running from the surface of the lake to the deepest layer, the pipe would draw water from the bottom up toward the surface as the water traveled, upward pressure would decrease and stored carbon dioxide would turn back to gas. That gas would vent into the air in small harmless amounts, but they were many potential dangers to this plan. The first risk of the organ pipe system was that Spring, cold, dense water from the bottom of the lake onto the warm surface layer of the lake could produce a lake turnover event like the one in nineteen eighty six. The cold water sank back toward the bottom would displace all the water around it. Mixing layers in releasing stored gas. Another risk of the organ pipe system was that the pipe could rupture during instantly. Possibly, causing sufficient disruption to the water system to trigger a chain reaction again. In March nineteen, ninety five, the experimental pipe was installed. The final and most dangerous step was starting the pump. To minimize the risk, scientists and locals evacuated to the hills for protection. They tried to start the pump, expecting water to spring forth from the pipe within minutes after four hours of waiting, nothing happened, the second attempt was also unsuccessful. It was now the last day of the experiment. The experiment failed funding would be cut stalling efforts to prevent future catastrophe. One of the lead scientists insisted on trying one last time, even as others packed up camp to leave. On that final attempt, the pump started a fountain of water burst out of the surface of the lake, reaching almost seven stories high, the Tower of water was rich in carbon dioxide, and the spraying liquid safely dispelled the gas into the surrounding air that first successful organ pipe in Nineteen, ninety five led to the installation of a permanent organ pipe in two thousand one. When the pump started the CO, two rich water emerged with such force that it created a one hundred sixty four foot, high fountain of Water Significantly Higher Than the Fountain in Nineteen Ninety Five. This indicates that in only six years. The C O two saturation in the lake increased substantially dire warning of the risk of failing to vent the lake in light of the rapid increase in Co. two saturation scientists recommended installing nine more pipes. They predicted that with ten pipes, running Lake Nieto's could be brought to save co two levels in ten years. Sadly, that didn't happen. Government leaders and funding bodies failed to take the threat seriously enough to fund the extra pipes, and only three pipes were installed over subsequent years. With, only one third of the recommended capacity, it is unclear when if ever Nieto's will be saved from another explosion. In Two Thousand Fifteen, the lead scientist on the organ pipe program suggested the lake would be safe within five years, but the pipes would have to be closely monitored. While scientists were busy attempting to prevent another catastrophe. The survivors of the nineteen eighty six disaster worked to piece their lives back together. Seventeen years after the cloud of death took his family frame. CIA still lived on the cliffs above Lake Nieto's. He worked for scientists in the area. Lake levels and guarding equipment meanwhile cowherd Halima Suli and her husband Amadou. Rebuilt their family. As of two thousand and three, they had five young children all born after the Disaster Amadou Suli said. If I think about what I was, what the family was, I can go crazy so i. try not to. Other families struggled to rebuild in the refugee camps. Each family received small plot of land and government assistance with food and other necessities for those who had been subsistence farmers before the disaster, the land allotment was barely enough to farm, even minimal crops for those who had been cowherds. It wasn't nearly enough land to graze. This left families dependent on government support to survive rather than to continue to be dependent on government assistance. Many survivors expressed the desire to return to their ancestral lands where they could support themselves through growing food and raising cattle, but the government hesitated to allow them back with lake, neo still potentially volatile as of two thousand sixteen, the population of survivors in refugee camps had grown from four thousand to twelve thousand in the last few years. Some residents have moved back to the area near Lake Nieto's to reestablish a life there but. But with just three organ pipes, bringing carbon dioxide to the surface of Lake Nieto's rather than the ten pipes recommended by scientists, it is unclear if residents are safe from disaster, even more troubling Lake Nieto's is not the only lake containing treacherous levels of carbon dioxide, Lake Kivu lies along the border between Rwanda and the Democratic Republic of Congo, it is more than two thousand times. The size of Lake Nieto's and is estimated to contain three hundred fifty times more co two than the amount that Lake Nieto's released in Nineteen eighty-six. The basin surrounding Lake Kivu is home to more than two million residents. All of whom would be at risk if an eruption were to occur. Sediment taken from the bottom of Lake Kivu indicates that limb nick eruptions like the one in Nieto's have happened approximately every thousand years since the lake's creation, it's unknown when the last eruption took place, but each day goes without erupting is one day closer to an unexpected and devastating detonation. Exacerbating the danger late kiva contains not just carbon dioxide, but also methane. If anything were to disturb the methane, rich water layers, it could release not only cloud of fixating gas, but also enormous fiery explosions, scientists have lobbied for the installation of organ pipes in Lake Kivu similar to the one in Lake Nieto's, but the lake, substantially larger size in greater depth makes such plans more expensive bus far no mitigation strategies have been employed to safely release dissolved gases lurking at the bottom of lake. The delicate balance of Lake Kivu is also threatened. Threatened by gas companies who have been extracting methane from the lake in order to generate electricity for the region as lake. Kivu becomes more and more saturated with carbon dioxide and is more. Methane is extracted from the water. Even the slightest trigger could unleash a chain reaction that threatens millions of people scientists tell us that prevention of future disaster is possible if we are willing to act, but in the thirty years since the tragedy at Lake Nieto's little has been done. Dangers Lake Kivu increase by the day. Other lakes may harbor as yet undiscovered stores of dissolved gas if steps aren't taken to reduce these threats next release of gas cloud is almost a certainty. Thanks for listening. To natural disasters. 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Ep. 14: Champ the Aquatic Cryptid of Lake Champlain

Happy Hour Gets Weird

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Ep. 14: Champ the Aquatic Cryptid of Lake Champlain

"Are you that Weirdo. That brings up your favorite scripted after a few too many at happy hour. We'll good this. This is a podcast for you. Welcome to happy hour gets weird. I'm super excited about this episode. May to you know I always love a scripted me too. I have a little on theme the Ice Breaker for today. Okay Fuck Mary Kill Oh all right. bigfoot Oh man moth man and Cuba Cobra. I didn't didn't WanNA put the CRYPTO. We're talking about today because I don't know I just did. I just wanted him to be off. Limits okay well I would have to Mary. Bigfoot Okay Fuck Mothman Killed Super Cobra or cheaper Kabre. I mean I figured he's the most animalistic of all the cryptic words and I just don't feel right about having sex with an animal. I mean I guess if you WANNA be super lame and not do reality. That's fine. WHOA WHOA I was thinking about this? I thought of these Yeah and I still can't decide if Mothman is a dick or we're trying to warn people I think he's a Oh that's a I don't know so that's what makes it hard for me. Like should I kill him or should I kiss him. Welcome I always chain to kiss so. PG I think Well here's my thinking or reasoning behind it okay bigfoot big foot's a little bit more stable and I'd like to marry. He is anticipated. Easy mop man. He's all over the place so it's a pretty stable able crip. Did He seems like he would have a nice cabin in the woods right. Yes go off collecting berries fishing right. Come home yeah do you. Dirty thirty yeah. I think that I'm going to kill moth man just to make everybody mad. Who loves man so much you just piss off a whole A group of people but don't be mad because that means I have to kiss shoop Akaba which are probably just murder me. No you fuck super climbing fuck. I'm dead alright. All Right Well Me and Mothman are goners. Get big football to yourself. There is welcome or welcome back if this is. It's not your first time listening. I'm cassie. I'm tiffany and this is happy hour. Guess Weird where a podcast that gets. Well we are humans first of all who have a podcast we are. If we were podcasts. We might be better at podcasting if we were just actually podcast gas. We get together once a week. Tiffany and I and we have cocktails and we talk about Weird Shit. Yes so we decided to turn it into a podcast asked. Yep It's Super Fun and we hope you too. Thank you so much for listening. Thank you and let's get into it today. We are talking about a very cool crip did One of the greats one of the greats and his name is champ or Champi. I don't know I don't know if I'd like Champi. I like champ better. He sounds like a winner. He sounds a more professional. He does like on his business card. It should definitely say champ because if he writes champion. Nobody's calling because I feel like his friends and family call him Champi. It's like more of a nickname like his grandma. Calls them Champi. Yes so I prefer champ. But Champ is the famous crip did from Lake Champlain. In Vermont yes so we're going couldn't get into it. Are you ready. I ready. Hope you're not on a boat right now. I hope you are. I always listen to podcasts while boating. It's my favorite past ask. You're not taking a swim across a deep body of water. Where in your waterproof airboats in in honor of our awesome cryptic episode? We are drinking Champi. Fish bowls they are super refreshing adding fruity and delicious and adorable. They are adorable and we will have our. They're delicious number one and they are very durable if you want to impress some guests. I Make Fishbowl your next pool party Or Lake CRIP did Suare make Champi fish bowls in all all of our Drink Information and recipe will be on our instagram So if you want the recipe go over there and check it out. And if you're not following US already follow us because that's where we post all the pictures Bina episodes and our drink pictures and our and our drink recipes and that's probably the best place to contact us besides email so our instagram is. Happy hour gets weird pod and Check it out. It's it's it's a really cute drink and you can make it as a mock tail for kids. Party would be a great idea too. I think kids would really like it. Yeah you talk to about nine out Outta ten. You could use blue Hawaiian Punch. You could and squirt. I've done that before. Yeah Yeah it's basically be a bowl of liquid sugar and Swedish fish The Swedish fish in a nod to our new listeners from Sweden Ace. It's eighty you know. So I got this information about Lake Champlain. From L. C. L.. T. Dot org the lake champlain. Land Trust website and also from LEESA HARRINGTON DOT com. She is a Paranormal Mall Blogger. Okay so lake champ plane is you. It is huge It is four hundred thirty five square miles of of surface water. It's a hundred and twenty miles long and twelve miles at its widest point. Eight and the average depth is six four feet but the deepest point is Four hundred feet up to four hundred feet or deeper. The the amount of shoreline around Lake Champlain is five hundred. Eighty seven miles and it has seventy one islands. That's a lot that dude you. That's a huge lake. I know when you lake you. Don't think that big at least I don't because the lakes around here are definitely not of that size. The I think the biggest lake I've ever been on is probably priest Lake in northern Idaho. That's a huge lake tips of it. Go to Pretty close to the Canadian border. Oh Wow okay Much like Lake Champlain. Yeah so lake champlain is bordered by Vermont. On the East and in New York on the West and the very tip reaches to Quebec Canada it also puts up to the Andronnik mountains in New York. At the peak of Ice Age Vermont was covered by glaciers and the retreating ice compressed the rocks and allowed the Atlantic Ocean to create an inland into what is now new England and eastern Canada. And this was later named the Champlin see but it wasn't actually eh mostly seawater. It was comprised mostly freshwater since it was constantly being fed with water under from Glacial Melt and as the land started to rise again because the glaciers were melting this e slowly shrunk back to the east back to the Atlantic Ocean and it formed Lake Champlain. That we know today it is freshwater lake though. It's all a saltwater. Lake Lake Champlain was founded and named in Nineteen. sixty-nine excuse me sixty-nine by Samuel Date Champagne a French explorer during the Revolution Rush Revolutionary War. Now although I do have an affection for French people and France in general Just because I have always had kind of thing for French stuff. French stuff is pretty cool. Yeah anything pretty cool. I actually see it actually actually could go back to Maybe I was French and my past life. I don't know I B but I also found out through a DNA test that I am a high percentage of French. I had no idea I could see it. I mean who's that WHO's that Really Day to day PARDIEU that very handsome French out or look so much like him just day. Pardew in small. Is the big news in Franklin hanging out back here anyways. Watch watch out for this sexy Combo so I to very sexy ladies so I do do love. The French and Samuel de Champlain. Didn't seem like a bad guy but there was people there before he showed up That typically goes yeah and they Where native Americans? So I do feel like I need dimension. That before European colonization of Lake champlain the Algonquin and the Iroquois peoples inhabited the area around Lake champlain. The abernathy tribe of the outgoing Queen Queen lived on the shore eastward through New Hampshire and Horsey Atlantic Ocean and the Mohawk tribe of the Iroquois lived lived on the West shore of the Lake through New York and back through New York heading west and they actually fun fact used to battle each other on boats on Lake Champlain. That's Super Badass. Isn't that crazy. I mean it's so cool. It is cool. So they I would feel like they were the founders of Lake Champlain. Yes but you know. How European colonization goes yes first one person undefined? It gets to name it. They named after themselves right so I just wanted an honorable mention to the native Americans that lived there because they were the first people there so lake champlain. And this is another fascinating. Fact that I didn't know about Lake Champlain. It's home to the oldest oldest known fossil reef in the world. Well that's incredible. Yeah being four hundred fifty to four hundred eighty million years old. Oh my God awed but there may be more than just prehistoric fossils in the lake. Some say there could still be eh dinosaur living in Lake champlain. And this is where we get to Champ Yay. This is champ. Yep He could be a dinosaur. He could be a large serpent He looks like a dino serpent it makes sense yeah. He's a leftover. They got trapped in the lake right. Yeah okay okay. That's what I think because I did Ocean the Atlantic eustis spill in ice juices spill into Lake Champlain. Yeah than the ice melted. The mountains rose cutting off lake champlain. From the Atlantic or something that was originally in the ocean could have been trapped. In like shampooing the formation of Lake Champlain. Exact that's the main theory. Yes so champ is a a mysterious creature e similar to the Loch Ness Monster Similar to a lot of lake cryptic kids seen around the world. Yeah I found it interesting that in I believe China there's version of lake monster that similar to this and then like you said Nessie this is kind of a phenomenon. The or a corrupted that has been talked about all over the world not just here well which his intriguing to me right because that makes me think where there's smoke there's fire no it's a it's a all over the world so so many have claimed to see champ while enjoying the lake and whether champ is a dinosaur Palea Sore Awale Wail or even exist at all is a mystery but reports have it measuring anywhere between ten and one hundred hundred and eighty seven feet long with a flat or round horse like head at has up to four humps which are like more more. I would consider like arching coils in the water. You know yes sir. Presents never fully exposed right from the water and the body up as a body of a serpent with thins Dennis Hall of Champ Quest It's a show has seen has claimed a scene champ. Many times he's taken lots of photos and videos any says he even captured a baby champ in the seventies hall found is strange foot long reptile in a marsh bordering. The lake had a forked tongue. And he thought it looked exactly like the supposed- long extinct extinct. I'M GONNA try this my best to pronounce. This town is Trophy S. That was great. So it it it could be a prehistoric dinosaur. A lot of people think that it might be a prehistoric. Well called the Basil Sorus and I don't that was awesome as a former paleontologist. You're knocking these out of the park anyways. So and that I feel like I've been leading up to these famous sightings and that's where you're gonNA come in you're going to talk about the signings yes. I'm excited excited to hear these. There have been so many sightings. I can't even talk about all of them. I'm GonNa talk about a few of them. Okay as you said the indigenous groups including the ABACHI and Iroquois Had Long seen a monster on the lake which they kindly warned and the French explorers about should've just let them go for a swim. Yeah they're probably a lot less smallpox. Yeah they should have been like just jump right here in this pile of Chum that I left conveniently there's nothing nothing nothing going on not a giant serpent. That's going to eat everyone of you alive uh-huh in way back in eighteen nineteen a captain chrome reported seeing a black monster. A hundred eighty seven feet long with a head similar to a seahorse. Okay he also said I had a star on his forehead and a red belt around. Its neck was going to a party. Maybe I feel like this cartoonish description kind of influenced what we see now in the champ art in things like that. Yeah Yeah probably. It sounds cute in real life. If I saw this I wouldn't be dead. Yeah it doesn't I mean it'd be terrifying Several years later array railroad crew claimed that they saw a giant serpent. Okay then in the water serious hardworking people and groups. This is a group of people that said that they saw it. Okay Okay Sheriff. That same year of eighteen seventy three also said that he saw a giant water serpent around thirty feet long. Okay Yeah like you're saying all people that you wouldn't really argue with. I wouldn't argue at the sheriff and a group a railroad guys right absolutely not and the legend started to grow already at this point so much. So that P t barnum even offered a fifty thousand dollar reward for anyone who could catch the great champlain's serpent to add to the mammoth world's fair show. Wow I think that that's like a million dollars now. I think it is a million dollars. Another group sighting was made in nineteen. Forty I five. A group of passengers in a boat on the lake also saw a giant serpent I always liked the group sightings because they feel like you know it's just not one champ enthusiast and you know come back with a big yeah I I agree. It makes it more believable. Yeah all right next talk about my favorite champ citing And probably your favorite champ citing to In nineteen seventy seven Sandra. Sandra Mansi was on vacation with her family at Lake Champlain. Sandy Sandy. When they had an experience they will never forget? While the family played in the Water Sandra asked her fiance to retrieve their camera to photograph the fun of the day as you do MOMS are always on picture duty right right. Just as he returned with the camera. There was turbulence in the water. Sandra thought at first it it must be a large fish about to jump out of the water. But instead they say a creature they had never seen. Before reared eared its head from the waters of Lake Champlain. freaky yeah. The parents yelled for the kids to get out of the water and the fiance had the presence of mind tossed. It's the cameras Sandra and she actually caught it which I would have dropped it. And then my in store would've been over. Sandra grabbed. The camera snapped a photo of the creature and the iconic champ photo was taken. This is the picture I think everybody knows when they think about photos of the scripted. Yes and we'll post it. Yes it's a cool picture in two thousand twelve. The original three by four inch photo was donated to the Echo Lake Aquarium and science center and is on display accompanied by a video of Sandra telling her famous story of that day. I WanNa see that in person. I think that is that would be cool. Yeah super cool by the nineties sightings at Lake champlain totaled about one hundred and eighty with approximately six hundred different people in all claiming they caught a glimpse of the elusive monster. So a lot of group signings yeah. That's it's crazy right A few different people have taken a photo of champ. Although like with most cryptic words the photos are not conclusive evidence. They're always blurry. I feel like it's like decrypted. Have a form of camouflage is big. Foot's puts camouflage not that he blends in just he blurs himself. Yes I think this is my. This is my theory. I it's a good theory. I if anybody else excuses it please reference me as your source. Yes thank you. You know actually why we're on. The subject of bigfoot actually have a bone to pick with the the bigfoot Hashtag on instagram. Okay what I follow the Big Foot Hashtag. Yeah we follow the Big Foot Hashtag yes. Please stop tagging hugging the pictures of your disgusting feet when Hashtag Vigevano is not what we are here. No I'm here for the crypt. It post every once in a while the public service announcement I get a someone's picture of their foot Hashtag bigfoot. Not Cool you know. Oh that's not what that Hashtag is for seriously anyways Ranta over go ahead all right with that PSA Out of the way we are now in the early two thousands. Oh okay all the time of then eyebrows and butterfly clips and metallic lipstick. It was it was an exciting time was so much so many bad choices. Many platforms in Spaghetti Stroh. Yeah Oh yes all right in two two thousand three three new sightings inspired a discovery channel special about America's Loch Ness Monster Champ which I haven't seen but now I really want to? I'm sure it's on on Youtube Then in two thousand five another really cool story surfaced okay pun intended into fishermen got video of champ. Oh the men were out on their boat and never truly believe the stories about champ they were skeptics right but this day change their opinion they saw something in the water and used their digital camera to get a video albeit. It was a very every once again grainy blurry video is a two thousand five digital camera though and they were moving in a boat and the thing was swimming so I'm not surprised at the the the footage was not the best. Well also I have to say if I was out in a situation where I saw something outside of the scope uh of my belief. I can't say for sure that I'd get a great video of it either. Yes I mean just the pure adrenaline an shaking and causing your body shake alone. It could be. I don't even have the time. Get a picture of like my family and we forget that our phones take better better pictures and Alvin. KAMERA's did in two thousand five. Yes so what the men saw and what. The men got was footage of a large says snake like animal in the water. The men described it as a serpent and very large about as big around as a man's thigh. My good and about fifteen in feet long parts of the creature would slightly pop out of the water. There's two coils yet that we mentioned But it was never fully visible at any time. It was swimming alongside their boat. The footage was so compelling to retired. FBI agents studied it. According to the agents the film itself was never manipulated violated in any way this video was shared with. ABC News who interviewed the fishermen and shared their story on air. And I watched it. I watched a clip of it on Youtube and the man the I can't remember his name but the man that interviewed them watch. It's a super famous Guy He was super into it. He I believe their story. Because these were pretty serious fishermen. Yeah they were father son fishermen. They had a great reputation and they themselves said we'd been fishing in this this water for years and we know that this was not a typical creature of this lake. This is our home we will live here. We work here this this was something else. Very compelling story I. I haven't seen that video I went to when I was researching this I went to click on on a link that showed the video that you're talking about And it had the link that I clicked on had been removed so I have never seen I found. I did find it on Youtube. I cannot outweigh to watch it. Yeah it's cool and this brings me to my final citing story so just last year. A woman woman named Katie Elizabeth claim to have picked up two creatures with sonar equipment on Lake Champlain. The creatures were between twenty five and thirty feet in length Katie is along believer in champ. She also said that she had a visual sighting in two thousand twelve right so she was really really excited when she saw these unusual images on her sonar. What happened was is they were out on their boat and They realize they need a gas and so they came back into the shore to fuel up and their sonar was on okay so they were traveling kind of quickly and their sonar our equipment pick this up and then later on. She looked out and saw and believed that it was too champs. That would explain why they're still being seen the today. Because they have been populating right regulating reproducing repopulating Ri. Well we can go both reproducing producing really been reproduced populating lake champlain. Yes there are some disputes with this because of the speeds that they were going in and the depths at the sonar images came from which could skew your sonar apparently which is just information I picked up from the article but Katie Elizabeth Elizabeth like everybody else in. This truly believes that. She knows she knows what she saw. Right she also authored a book about Champ. Called the water horse yes of Lake Champlain. And in two thousand eighteen. She's successfully lobbied the town of Port Henry New York to pass a resolution to protect champ. Who Yeah which is really cool? I I kind. I tend to believe these people I feel like the sonar thing. I kind of see how people don't believe that I. I honestly believe what people see more than I believe a picture more sonar just because everything is so easy to manipulate right nowadays. I believe the fishermen German one hundred percent. It was right next to their boat. Yeah it was like five feet away from their boat. I can't I like let's wrap this this up so I can watch that. It's pretty great Let me start my sources. I forgot to mention about the beginning I used a website called New York. UPSTATE DOT COM. ABC News Champ Video Two thousand five from Youtube. phantoms and monsters dot com and Lake Lake champlain. REGION DOT COM. Oh cool okay. So yeah if you're interested in finding out any more information on camp or if you WANNA watch that Youtube video that's where you go. Oh yeah so. What are your thoughts on channel? You know I I for me. I feel like it's not ought champ. It's himself or herself or itself that scary the idea of champ. That is the most scary to me. Yeah whether whether he exists or not. I'm telling you right. Now if I was limited swimming lake champlain. I would be always looking in the water. Yeah I don't know if I'd really WANNA swim too. Far too far out in Lake champlain. I mean I wouldn't be in the middle of it wanting to jump in like from my boat or anything you know what I actually. That's true this reminds me of a story when I was on a houseboat about I would say like ten years ago or so. Okay Oh gosh more than that Oh my gosh. Every time I talk about something and I think ten years and it's actually fifteen in years ago. Yeah I'll get really depressed that that's starting to happen more and more. I know so is about fifteen years ago C.. Four had kids and I had a EH belly button piercing and I was wearing a two piece and I was. I was on a houseboat trip. Yes okay so we're swimming as swimming. We're in a cove and I was swimming. Cross the cove and I was I guess doing the breaststroke. I don't know what it's called and fucking a a a fish came up and thought my belly button ring was allure and nibbled my belly button ring. Oh my God. That's so oh not scary but the moment it was very scary I did not like it. I freaked out. I almost drowned. And I've would scare the shit out of me. I've had a very hard time getting back in the imagine if that was a giant serpent thirty feet long. That's what I'm saying. It's not champ itself that scary. It's the idea. Fish is just not the smartest fish in the pond. I mean she's a little tiny fish could come up and eat my trying to eat my belly button the ring. Well it's in my belly button KIA imagine chap nessie tessie from Lake Tahoe You know a Chinese Lake Monster in China frigging great white shark in the ocean like I. I'm just not very scary. Very scary. Idea of champ is just just the idea alone is scary to me. Do you believe that there is something in the lake. Yeah I do. I tend to believe it too. I don't a lot of creatures. People don't don't know they exist until they know that they exist right. I don't think that it's that far. Fetched to think especially that Lake is what four hundred feet deep at in depth. I mean that's insane. There could be not too big lay a whole variety of things in there and it. Yeah it's a big lake. It's a big lake. It's a big world. Yeah there's a lot of things out there. The people unexplained don't know about. Yeah yeah so I mean yeah I believe that there is something it could be something in the lake and I believe believe in I witness accounts I do too. I mean if those fishermen didn't know what it was that they would know what I mean but why would you just put yourself in that position. Do you know I know. 'cause it's you. Know his their friends other fishermen just gave them hell for years. I'm sure all right Bob. Yeah we're road how much. How many beers did you have that day? Bob Like nobody let him go out on their boat after that they were they were just given shit for years. I'm sure after that. Yeah all right. So that's Champi the podcast the PODCAST Consensus Champ Israel. Yeah yeah that's pretty much. All you guys need. Yeah Watch out for In Lake Champlain. When you go swimming I definitely don't recommend a belly button ring? Hell no especially with the worm on the intimate that would just be asking for A. Ah just for the record I did not have a worm worm in there. She's like I'll say this snack Swedish fish. Did you have a Swedish fish. Had nothing thought it was a lewer. Okay I'm just like the buck on. A fish tries to eat a belly button ring. I don't know I miss fishing the Lake anyways you know what I wanted to mention. If if you have seen champ or you've been to lake champlain. Oh Yeah you've had a weird feeling or of seen something or have seen something or or or you have a family member or a friend who has seen champ or something strange unexplainable email us. We'd love to talk on a here. You're weird that story at a weird stories episode soon in the more weird stories from different people the better. Yeah so emails. Happy hour gets weird at gmail.com or so you can even. DM US on instagram. That's easier definitely or on twitter or on twitter's and happy hour gets weird. pod Is our instagram handle all right and that wraps up the champ episode and our second cryptic get cryptic. There's a lot more crypt. It's too calm. If you have a favorite scripted. Let us know. Let us know to episode about it. We WanNa talk about what you WanNa hear about definitely so let us know and thank you so much for listening. We really appreciate eight every new listener old listener. We're having a great time and we hope you are too. 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Name the largest lake in the world?

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02:55 min | 1 year ago

Name the largest lake in the world?

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Lake Lanier Georgia

The Family Vacationer

31:54 min | 2 months ago

Lake Lanier Georgia

"Lake Lanier north Georgia is the focus of today's family vacationer Stacey Dixon from discovered Lake Lanier is our guest as we talk about all there is to do on and around Georgia's. Lake Ab. So twenty eight starts now. Welcome to the family vacationer with Bob and Danny. Goto podcasts for families on the move. I'm Danny and I'm rob and this is episode twenty, eight of the family vacationer we let you to engage with this on Instagram facebook and now on Youtube don't forget to subscribe as well. So you don't miss an episode. The website address is the family vacation or dot live where you can sign up for our newsletter to receive travel deals and travel information. There's also place for. You to fill out a questionnaire let rob help you plan your next vacation all in the family vacation dot live. As we mentioned in the Open Lake laniers the largest lake in the state of Georgia and one of the most popular recreational lakes in the entire country the lake host about twelve million people every year before dam was completed in Nineteen fifty-six turned the Chattahoochee and the. Chestnutty rivers into Lake Lanier popular activities on the lake include boating fishing camping be with a ten or an RV additionally there golfing facilities world class, kayaking, water skiing, and swimming spots in location is another thing that Lake Lanier has going for the Lakers located forty five minutes north of Atlanta Gainesville and Buford are the two close closest cities to the lake and both offer dining shopping. And activities the north. Georgia mountains are also a day-trip away with cities, Delana and Helen offering two distinct destination and Jimmy Buffett's Margarita Ville is now in charge of Popular Lake Lanier islands offering song inspired water parks, RV resort Marina, and more. We're fortunate today to have with the Stacey Dixon Stacy's president discover. Lake. Lanier Stacy's a native southerner raise in the southwestern Georgia town of Albany. stacy's worked in the tourism industry for over twenty five years now and includes stops the travel and leisure planner and past president and CEO of the Clayton County Convention visitors bureau in Metro Atlanta Stacy's worked in her current position since two thousand and six. She's a past president of both the Atlanta Metro Travel Association and the Northeast Georgia Mountains Travel Association also served on the Board of directors for the Georgia. Association of Convention and visitors. Bureau she and her husband Jeff and her son Noah make their home in flowery branch Georgia. Stacey. Welcome to the show. Hey, thanks for having me. Glad to be here. And we are glad to have you. So let's get right to it. We know that Lake Lanier has over ninety four State County and city parks along with six hundred, eighty, three, some odd miles of shoreline. With twenty three of those providing swim beaches can you just talk about some of the different ways that families that come to the area can engage with the lake as far as places to stay and then Sir Things to do absolutely. Well, it is. It is that thirty eight, thousand Acre Lake. So there's a lot of room to spread out and according to statistics. The latest count we had, which this year will probably have more We have about twelve million visitors to the lake a year and put that in perspective the Magic Kingdom at Disneyworld has fourteen million a year. So it's a lot of folks coming around this lake, but because it's so large, you can still have a very special and private experience. When you come to visit here, we kind of say that the lake has to sort of personalities the spring and summer it's you know the. Riviera of boats and Jet Skis and wave runners, and all the beaching and all the activities that you would expect to find at the lake, and then in the fall and winter, it's a little more chill laid back guided fishing for Trophy Bass geocaching hiking biking some paddle sports still happening throughout the year But more like the passive recreation. All kind of activity said, there's definitely a lot of choices and and also George the only George State Park on Lake Lanier. Don. Carter State Park. Is a kind of a jewel that we have that sometimes gets missed by all the noise from other things to see and do a great park. Yeah. It is and five bucks for a car load for the whole day. You can't beat the value you get there. So we know camping is a popular activity on Lake Lanier can you tell us some of the more popular camp site locations? Or sure and especially twenty twenty camping has like had a huge moment. With the social distancing of society it turns out that camping is one of the best things you can do. To get away literally from everyone. So the late does have a very wide variety of camping from primitive hike in carry everything on your back like you're going to go on the Appalachian trail kind of very rustic. No amenities camping to the luxury RV resort at Margarita Ville that is like the super cable TV. Internet fully paved sites with you know all the super duper amenities you'd expect for the giant fifty, five feet. Buck motorcoach style. RV's but? For the average everyday family camper the the most popular places that we find our Don Carter State Park, which I mentioned, which has phenomenal RV camping sites, and then river forks park is kind of a hidden gem. It's actually run by hall county it's on the lake. Is. One of the only places that are open for camping twelve months of the year as well. So they have beautiful beach they have an event pavilion they Docs courtesy docks for boating, and so you can camp their rent a boat, the Marino bring the boat to the park for you and things like that. So it's a really nice spot to go, and then of course, the core has lots of camping as well, but it's very seasonal. So we know Lake Lanier islands. Destination for a while. Margarita, they'll take over the property. It's it seems to be more and more popular. I know going over I I like the difference you know like the change there are some of the family friendly activities for families at the property and I know that is also going to change seasonally as well. Yes. Yes it will and Lanier on's resort is still operated by the Williams family and Lanier neons, management, Margarita Ville came in. Now it's been two years ago almost three years ago as a operational partner. So there in the resort kind of operating within the bubble of the islands running the beach and waterpark and they have the. Land Shark Bar, and grill that's open year round that serves all kinds of food and drink on the beach, and then they do the harbor with Marina C- CAN store your. They are one of the new exciting things they've done. They're they're adding a bunch of dry stock stack storage for boats. So if you have a boat and you want to start there and dry stack, you can do that very soon there finishing up a new dry stack facility than they have, of course, the marina on the water where they have slips available that are covered in a gas stock and all that, and you can rent boats there. But the the islands itself I mean. It's almost fifty years that that it's been operating as a a a place for people to get away with sort of Atlanta's Hamptons We're only about forty five minutes from downtown. Atlanta, and we certainly are that beach and boating nation But at the resort, there's a luxuries lodging at legacy lodge they have villas at lake houses, and of course, the camping and the RV resort mentioned championship golf they have twelve holes that are on the water is one of the. Most scenic golf. This is in America and certainly very challenging as well because you're chipping your ball across the water about six times. So that's really tough but they're focused on total wellness and they have a lot of hiking trails and bike rental, and then the boating and the spa of course, and they do stand up paddle board. You can do Paddle Board Yoga on the lake and things like that. So there were really excited that they're getting very, very close to announcing a new hotel property that. Proposed for a while, so I would keep my eyes open for a news from the resort on that Margarita Villes been phenomenal partner with the resort and they've brought in, of course, the parrot head aesthetic lifestyle with a land art landing in Paradise Beach and all the fun that's goes along with that. But what's new for them as a global billion dollar brand? Is this family component, and so that's been an interesting evolution to watch them grow their brand and to be more surprisingly family friendly. So one of the ways they've done that is with with the water the beach waterpark park I mean it's naturally going to attract kids. So they have Georgia's largest wave pool, which is why ways, and then of course, the Paradise Beach and funds on which is good for toddlers, but they really amped it up in the off season with their snow island. Program, this account of started the the resort had gotten a little bit into winter where they have a huge light show the magical nights of lights that you've probably heard of but they add is sort of some snow elements and tried some things out. But Margarita came in, they just turned the volume up to eleven on that and bill this giant apparent mountain. It's the fastest snow tubing right in. North America that's. Huge snow play areas, they have a holiday village carnival, and so that runs actually from November through February. So even after the Christmas break in the New Year still through February, on the weekends, you can come out and do snow tubing and have snow playtime and things like that and enjoy surprisingly have a fun experience at the lake in the winter. So that's been a really great boom for us and what was an off-season time sure you even when it his seventy degrees then January. James. One of the greatest things about being part of this huge brand is they spared no expense in the equipment they acquired. So the snow machines they have if we have a heatwave in, January, they still are able to pump out. Enough snow to fill that in giant. Parrot Mountain it's insane and maybe they can open up the the wave pool in January who knows In summertime but. I know in summertime my my brother and sister-in-law have a boat and we've pulled up the marina there and you eat at. The restaurant and you go over to the beach area and there's beach music Jimmy, Buffett, and obviously other artists playing on they've got a big screen up there that you can kind of watch while you're just kinda chilling in the lake it's nice and. We had gone to the winner. The winner part. Maybe two or three years ago. So it was right before Margarita. Took over and we did a lot of the I guess they converted the water slides into. Yeah winter activities, but it'll be interesting to see what it's like. Now, that Margarita taken over that lots more snow for share. A lot of fun. Talking about Margarita Ville while ago you mentioned another hotel potentially. We know their own record as saying, they're going to do further development by can you give us any ideas of other activities? Yeah I mean as far as from the Margarita Ville brand and we only thing they have on the books right now that is. Currently, in development is this huge Redo of the camping and the RV parks. So they've spent a lot of money and effort and they went in to the campground that was on the resort that was really in bad need of re have, and they just scraped it down to the dirt and started over. So now it's the only campground, the light that has full hookup. So they have sewage hookups for the RV's they have. Fifty five foot and larger fully paved pull through sites for the big rigs and all the amenities that folks that travel in those kind of RV's would expect to find and that took the camping up like ten notches and they've incorporated all of the brand into the experience from when you check in to the RV part to the transportation down to land shark if you WanNa have dinner and things like that so. that's just think an idea of what example if what they can do when they decide to. You know put their brand into action as far as the new hotel piece that's actually coming from the Lanier islands and Virgil Williams. Management Side. Of the House. And it's been a project that they're working on with the state of Georgia. To, develop a new convention conference center and in the old where if you've been old-timer around here where panel the pownall stover's Tana was located. It was torn down in two thousand seven. So there's been this revolving dream of always putting something back there, and now they finally have something that really has teeth and it's coming along very nicely and I would anticipate there will be some announcements and things coming soon just was on a call today where they showed a three d rendered video of light the approach as you're driving up to the new property and it was amazing. So we're very excited now it remains to be seen at what level or if Margarita Ville will. Be Part of that venture or not but as right now they're not. But who knows you know by the time they get things shovels in the dirt that that could possibly change but right now that peace is still on the inside of the House will that is interesting because Margarita Ville does operate hotels. That's why I thought it would be a natural. Yeah they do they do and certainly there's been a lot of interest in I think from the Brand Maine all the way up to the top levels of the brand they're very keen on this property because. What they what they found in other markets is they have either the audience and no land. Or, the land and no audience, and so Lanier islands presents this perfect storm of. Develop property within a reasonable distance to a very large MSA of one of their most. Popular markets in the country for the brand. So it's the perfect of things, but you know some. Things get in the way sometimes as we know with. The economy and Things happening that. They're having to pace themselves and do what they can sue operate at the level they want to operate to maintain their brand standards and then but always before thinking and they're still plenty of room to do things out there. So very optimistic with what they'll they'll bring to the table. STUPID COVA DIS- keeps getting in the way of everything. Just needs to go away. For. Revering. will go away eventually. Yeah. So you mentioned land. Shark and that's I've eaten there. That's delicious place to eat we this is an important part of the show for Nanak because we love talking about restaurants and places. Same thing what are some great places to eat around LAKE LINEAR? We know Buford in Gainesville or the two closest cities but what are some good places? Well, there's literally So I will sell shamelessly self PLA promote our website. The are discover Lake Lanier Dot com website has got a section called eats. And within that section, we've divided things out and kind of. curated these lists. So we have our all star shifts and so an example is like. Antebellum in flowery branch. A the top one hundred restaurant north, America for six years. Nobody would know that just driving down the street or people would come could come to the lake. They might have a boat that they more on the late and still don't know that they're literally just a few miles away from tot one hundred restaurant in the country. And so are all star chefs features that and then waterfront dining we have the top ten locations for dining. So most of marinas have have restaurants and then they all kind of have their own vibe. So like for Brunch skogen. Is the place the gains Marina. On the hill overlooking the lake. They're basically the only place that serves breakfast the kind of that time of day. So you can kind of get that early morning before the craziness erupts in the summer on the water time and enjoy like salmon eggs benedict. That's Gogi is like the peak breakfast experience on the water Then the later it gets in the day and depending on your mood. Then there's all kinds of different vibes across the Board of the TIKI HUT at. Fort Royale at Pelican Pete, you can literally pull your Jetski up to the Bar is. A really hot place to go to see people and be seen and get a great cocktail and that kind of thing where like fish tails is more quietly in the back in a hidden little cove and it's kind of you know everybody's like we don't want to. We don't want to give it away too much because we don't want you to crowded. But they definitely as far as all the message boards and stuff online have the the best food across across the board. So say them. and. Then they have a sister restaurant called pigtails. That's they do. All right. Yes. Then thankfully that recently when we had our, you probably saw on youtube when the the water spout or whatever it was high winds that came through with the storm right through there in holiday marina and and it came right through Auckland and trees were down everywhere. But thankfully, the restaurant did not get a major damage and they were able to continue operating. What's the roads were cleared? There were that was a pretty scary moment recently. That was a freaky storm didn't in some places you barely even knew it was raining and that's that part it was just yeah just came on really fast ever decide if it was a hurricane hurricane a tornado or not it wasn't they cut I can't think of that. Now the the name, the weather phenomenon name, they call that it wasn't straight line winds, but it had its in the straight line wind family. So it wasn't a tornado, but it was something else that had hail and and that up to ninety five miles per hour winds there for a little bit. So it was pretty scary. Yeah. Things? Okay. Yeah I mean there's some major damage at the marinas but thankfully that all of that is insured and there was no loss of life or anything. So we're thankful for that. Yeah. So I want to ask you about festivals and I just want to say you know holidays at Lake. Lanier islands. Amazing I've been there many times with girls and the family, but even that n beyond in under the current situation this fall and even in two thousand, twenty, one, what kinds of festivals can can we look forward to events around Lake Lanier well. On the lake itself and I'm just kind of trying that because there's so many things happening as you know across the the community I mean Mitchell. Eraser Road Atlanta we have you know all the huge racist there doesn't really have a lot to do with the late but this one hundred plus thousand people that come here for those. But magical nights of lights obviously our big holiday event. But during that timeframe, there's also an annual boat parade like a lighted boat parade that is a coordinated. Linear Association and that sort of a low key local fun event that you can either participate in with your own boat or rent a boat decorated or just go to one of the parks and watch the boats as they go by usually terminates in the cove at Margarita Ville. So if you went to Land Shark and had dinner, you could see all the light boats coming in on that evening answer. That's a lot of fun. Year round a little insider is Wednesday evenings. The lanier sailing club has a regatta every Wednesday. So it's kind of Nice to go out to a park or in like a rented pontoon boat and just anchor in the south part of the lake and just watch the sailboats and sailing kind of gets an underrated promotion on the late. But we have actually some some pretty large sailboats one of. Our sailing charter companies. A boat that was in the America's Cup that they all the yeah. They sell it regularly on Lake Lanier. So It's kind of interesting that sailing culture here is pretty big. I'd also recommend Lake Lanier Olympic Park if you're not familiar is one of the last remaining venues from the nineteen, ninety, six games that still actively and use, and they have concerts, they have international sporting competitions going on and they have a recurring series. That's a food truck. Friday. That starts kind of March April if the weather's permitting and runs through October. And they have all the food truck five music and they're even right now in the age of Covid. They're still able to do it because it's outdoors on their big plaza area so they have Preserved tables, you can go to their website or call the park and reserve your own family table So you can get your food and have a private table to sit at and everything's all spaced out and all that. So it's a very good and safe for everybody to enjoy that event and they have probably the best sunset on the lake is at Olympic? Park? So yeah that's a good spot. Out of the Olympic Park I got to work there in ninety six. I got to work there and did, yeah yeah, I was. Able to be a translator out there and when I was there guess last last summer I think there's still a stage out there if I'm not mistaken, right? Yeah. Okay. In the two, thousand, two, I, think it was two, thousand and two they hosted the world the rowing championships for the world and when the when that competition came, they built this plaza because during the Olympics may recall that the public was across the water on the other side of the channel where the race course was opposite the tower or those grandstands were temporary floating things that disappeared when the games were over. So on the parkside where the the judging tower and finish line officials are was all media and athletes only one, two, thousand and two and they had the world championships they built A. Kind of a a plaza area that to do the metals and everything that had docks that could be moved and then seating for twenty five hundred people. So they have this area with a giant Plaza at top that now, they do events, weddings, concerts, all kinds of things happen out there all the time. Is still in use Oh. Yeah. Very much a neath. We just hosted It's been a couple of years now, but we had the dragon boat world championships here. And that's the first time. It's ever been in North America and it came to Gainesville Georgia from Italy. So you know. We still can draw them in from across the globe. Thanks. that. Well and you've you've tucked away some of these insider information and some of the other things you talked about, but we do like to give our listeners. As much insider information as possible. So what's a locals? Only insider information? You might be able to pass along about Lake Lanier. Of things I would say is weekdays are the best for boating areas. So if you want to really enjoy the lake. Come out like on a Monday. It's worth the time to take off work or maybe you're working a a an alternate work schedule now and you suddenly find yourself with Wednesday's off. The Weekday voting is like heaven on earth here. So that's the thing locals are like don't take away our weekdays, but I'll tell you from from a person who's owned a boat on the lake is a completely different experience to be out on the main channel of the lake by yourself is just so peaceful and wonderful and well worth the trip and then any other time I would say locals, no, go north of browns bridge. To Bob in an have a very different experience everything snouts at what Kinda depends on what you WANNA. Do I guess but for a fun family experience where you can take the kids and anchor a and get out and swim and the things like that and not be looking over your shoulder constantly for someone you know driving a speedboat that's GonNa go buy your kids to close go north browns bridge. That's where the locals are unless they're wanting to go to like a bar then they're going south of south of the bridge. So walsum. For more information on planning a trip to lake lanier visit discover Lake Lanier DOT com. Thanks Stacy for being on the show. We appreciate your time my pleasure anytime guys take care. We'll rob that was an interesting interview but since you and I are really both from this area around Lake Lanier you, you're not both know that we really just barely hit the tip of the iceberg here. There's so much to do but what were your personal takeaways from? Well, you know there is there's literally so much to do on the lake I know we didn't really talk about the fact you can rent a houseboat one of my family memories I rented a house boat and I actually propose to my wife in the middle of Lake Lanier on that houseboat so That's cool. We need all. It was pretty funny because I tried to make it a surprise. I'd come up with this elaborate story that I can't still can't believe my wife believe but I wasn't supposed to be on the boat. They were She was going to take it out with my inlaws in my parents to see if maybe we want to have the rehearsal dinner on I, don't know it was. Crazy story but then. Ruthie. I guess five at the time. She was with Tracy and they got on the boat and Ruthie saw me I was trying to get out of the way. She saw me at the end of the boat and took off. And Yeah. So Tracy then new I was on and so then I had to quit cover Oh, I got off early and was able to make it and We still protected the surprise but that was that was pretty cool. But yeah, there's there's a ton of things to do on the lake and. I think Margarita Ville taking over Lakeland rounds is only up the ante as far as the quality of things you can do I know that we've done the Christmas thing like we talked about at Lake Lanier islands. That's always that's always fun to do and again Margarita those just kind of up the ante on that as well. and then places to eat She mentioned fish tails fished houses so. That is a good restaurant Antebellum I. I've never eaten there and I've i. that's the place that I guess I need to put on my list of places to go. Yeah. This is one of those restaurants where you think upscale a little bit and. They. I'm assuming they had their own personal chef there and all, but you know you've got some really top quality meals there. Yeah and of course, it's going to cost a little more than go into. You know chain restaurant that we know but is extremely good food. Yeah and Skoge she mentioned skokie he's the cool thing about some of these places that are on the lake. If you're on the boat, you can call ahead and they'll bring the food down to you. So that's pretty cool as well. Even have to get off the boat to To have this good food and I mean you talking about Fried Seafood, which you know in the south is A. Is, a? Staple? The Fried Shrimp at Scoggins, they've got they call it skoge sauce. It's it's kind of a raw milad sauce kind of thing. But it made it so good it's. Good I remember one time we own and I really. Love this about the lake you know she was she was talking about this, but I just want to reiterate that. How cool it was we were on the lake once and we just pull up to a restaurant you dock and you just walk right up the doc you're sitting outside in a restaurant and you just get back on your boat leave. It was really cool. Great Act. And there. There are quite a few of those places around the lake. So I mean it's definitely worth going to the website discover lake, Lanier, dot com, and check in on all the different places to eat. Yeah. There's the RV Park that she talked about Marguerite Deville I it's just been completed and I was looking at having been over to yet, but it's it's pretty amazing for Harvey Party I mean you know we've we've talked about the fact that I'm not an RV`er that's not really in my blood but that kind of Oregon. You can sign me up for that all all day. I mean that it's got every facility that you could possibly imagine it's right on the lake. It's close to all the stuff at Marguerite Deville there. So Lots of stuff. Yeah, we're going to be doing our episode follow up pretty soon. We getting a little inside information on that. So that'll be something to get forward to. Yep and in October we're also planning to do stuff on the Youtube channel the that you guys want to check out it's You know just some ways to kick up your your campfire meals and other stuff that's still kind of in the work again, announce yet, but it's GonNa be cool. So make sure you stick with us on that. And as always, I would love to help you plan your next family vacation. Now is a great time to plan for two thousand, twenty one especially drop me a line if you're interested in our Jones at star stuff travel dot com, and that'll wrap up today shows to check back with us in two weeks for the next episode of the family vacation or till next time. Thank you for listening to the family vacationer. It makes reference of FRY to hear more of Robin, Danny?

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Short Stuff: Lake Peigneur

Stuff You Should Know

14:31 min | 1 year ago

Short Stuff: Lake Peigneur

"The. Hey there and welcome to the short stuff. I'm josh. And there's Chuck and there's Jerry death talking. Let's get started. Let's let's travel my friend to not only Louisiana Louisiana in nineteen eighty can you imagine which I believe the drinking age back, then was still probably eighteen I think so too. It wasn't. They held out the longest, and they they did. And the feds were like well kiss kiss decent roads goodbye to our will states rights. Oh, goodness. Who knew that was gonna come up in their own me. So in in Louisiana in IB perish around the town of new Iberia. There is a lake Chuck. And it's still there today the prising too difficult. It will become surprising that it's still there shortly as cold lake pin year P E, I G N E R lake Pinior. Okay. Yes. And in November of nineteen eighty which is where we are right now. There was like some Texaco contractors who were doing some exploratory drilling in lake Pinior and lake pen year was really really big how many acres thirteen hundred acres. I mean, at least like five or six acres thirteen hundred acres of land. But only eleven feet deep. Yeah. That was like, I think one of the deepest points. I think the average was just a handful of feet. So really really wide. But really really shallow the threat like the other, right? The other point about that is that lake Pinior set on top of what's called the salt dome. It's an accumulation of salt that builds up underneath the ground. And there is a company called the diamond crystal salt company, and they like to mind for salt around lake Pinior and all this is going on at the same the same time on the same day in November that the Texaco exploratory crew was drilling down through lake Pinior looking for gas deposits. That's right. And I think you see where this might be headed. But the details of the story are so bonkers. It's so nuts. It's just crazy. So Texaco's is drilling in their probing the floor and their drill all of a sudden just seizes up and stops about twelve hundred or so feet below the surface. So if you remember this lake is only eleven feet deep. So they are far far far far far below this lake. And I said that that's interesting. This doesn't usually happen. Yes. What happens when your drill? Get stuck in something you try and work at loose a little bit, which if it shallow. It's no big deal when it's that deep. It's a little bit different. Because you can't see what's going on. And all of a sudden these workers heard, you know, pup buoying little Rupe? And this big rig. All of a sudden starts tilting toward the water. And they're like this is not good guys. Rigs are not supposed to tilt. No, no. And this thing it's a five million dollar drill. And it starts to sink in it starts to buck. And it starts to move. And all these dudes are like all right? This is not good at all. So we're going to release ourself release these barges that are attached. We're gonna get outta here. And we're gonna get on shore, which they did. Right. So they got out of there. They made it safely, but as their onshore like trying to figure out what is going on. This is really weird. They're leaning rig search to kind of tip further and further into the water. And surely at some point, I if it's just a few feet of water should stop and stay above the water. But these guys were really surprised when they saw that the rig kept going underwater in underwater, and then it just disappeared from sight. Could you imagine? No, I can't. But as they're sitting there scratching their heads over this one. They notice that a there was a world pool that was starting to form to sell a little bit of first around the point where the oil the the drill rig had just disappeared. And then it started to come into view, I guess in their minds. I what did just happened, and they realized pretty quickly that they exit drilled all the way down into one of the main shafts of the salt mines twelve thirteen hundred feet below lake Pinior. And now there is a whole connecting the air above the lake and the whole underneath the lake with a lot of water in between just waiting to get in. Yes. This will is growing and growing adventure grows in front of their eyeballs to a quarter of a mile diameter that is so enormous. It's so enormous. In the meantime, down in the salt mine, there's an electric named Junius Gattison. He heard bang pop. Buoying news like that doesn't sound good. And all of a sudden muddy water starts rushing in and it's bringing fuel drums along the mineshaft. And he was like this is not good. He calls in an alarm, which is three blinks of the light. He heads out. All the workers are like all right? We know what three blinks of a light means. That means we need to drop everything and get outta here in these fifty or so dudes are fifteen feet underground. I'm sorry. Fifteen hundred feet underground fifteen feet would be Novick deal. I'd be like refined. And they start getting up to higher levels and higher levels where they can get to these elevators to get him out. They get to the third level. And it's blocked by these rising waters on the surface. It's like something out of Bill the bible or an x files episode or something what was originally a fourteen inch hole in the ground in this mine starts to fill up with water and all of a sudden water hit salt, and that starts dissolving dissolving right all these columns of salt supporting these caves and tunnels start dissolving in this whole mind starts collapsing in front of everyone's face and check all that water. That's flowing through dissolving away the salt that was like three and a half billion gallons of water. So it's a substantial amount of water serving to fill up that salt mine underneath and and as the waters sinking down from the lake it's during the flood upward toward the bottom of the lake which doesn't happen very often in Louisiana or anywhere else. Really? All right. I think we should take a break. We'll come back and finish this amazing story right after this. Hey, folks, did you know that the information in our DNA goes way beyond what color is our whether a Harris Kearlier straight. Honestly, our DNA can influence so much of ourselves. We don't even think about everything from our caffeine consumption or muscle composition to our genetic weight. And everyone season two of spit a podcast from iheartradio twenty three and me discusses the power of genetic testing to reveal all that and more resulting in a deeper understanding of ourselves in the world around us. That's right. Chuck hosted by Barra. Tunde Thurston episodes of spent explorer health, our wellness, and how we are starting to look at the world of genetics around chronic illnesses like type two diabetes. That's right season. One featured guests like John legend, Melissa Ethridge, plus experts to break down the science behind it all season to kick off with conversations with Tim McGraw recorded live from the south by southwest podcast stage. Have you spit with twenty three and me. No more about your DNA and how you can commit to a healthier. You. Check out full episodes of spit on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. John. Jim. This is an amazing stray love this story. It's one of my all time favorites. All right. So below the surface there these miners trying to get out they finally get up to level three where they can access these elevators. But there's a ton of high water blocking the route they're using mine carts and and vehicles powered by diesel to try and push their way through in eventually all those fifty miners. Eight dudes at a time are able to get into these elevators that carry them to the surface, and it's not like a speedy elevator. Imagine the waiting as waters rising for the elevator to come back. Was some seriously scary stuff? Yeah. I mean eight at a time there's fifty of them down there. And the elevator slows Christmas. I can't imagine how stressful that must've been and like did you decide who went, you know? I mean, scary stuff. So as the miners are starting to slowly come up. Like eight by eight above ground backup on the surfaces lake. There's like this this this huge hole has opened up where the world Peul was and the section from the world Peul has sucked the Gulf of Mexico in. Now, there's three and a half billion gallons of lake pin year to begin with. But that world pull that created suck the water from Dell cambric canal that connects the Gulf of Mexico and lake Pinior suck the Gulf of Mexico into the lake and eleven barges that happened to be in this miles long canal got sucked into lake pin year. And that's just sucked into lake Pinior sucked down the whirlpool into the salt. Mines underground. Yes. So eleven barges gulp, Jefferson island seventy big golden another drilling platform. Gulp this little tugboats out there. God bless this little tugboat just doing everything it can. To get out of there and fight that current full power to get basically suck down a looks like toilet. Probably. These dudes are like, I don't think we're gonna make it. So they managed to get the sing over close enough to the Bank to jump off. And then by tugboat gulp. Yeah. Imagine that like seeing the tugboat like you're a tugboat is pretty strong man in the idea of not being able to fight this current that just tells you how strong that world ple was so there goes the tugboat there goes eleven barges oil Derrick a lot of Jefferson island and finally after oh one there was one other thing. So this may the whole thing even more biblical Chuck. There was a lot of air down there in these underground mine shafts, and it's the water filled up the mine chefs and displaced the air that air came shooting pressurized up to the surface. And so every once in a while like a geyser would shoot off like four hundred feet into the air right out of lake Pinior. Is that your fact of of the show that's one of them? I think this whole thing is one big factor the show because here's mine. Okay. So what happens when you suck stuff down there? And then eventually things going to fill up. It's not just going to fill up the entire center of the earth with water eventually disolve mine's gonna fill up, and it's going to sort of regulate equalize that eventually happens. Three point five billion gallons of water drain in three hours, and then over the next couple of days that lake level eventually reaches that, original waterline, and then over and over nine of these barges come pop back up like a cork that you've been holding underwater. Just boom, boom, boom all these things just keep popping back up. It must've been amazing to see that to see a bar. Just come popping up out of the water not about though. No, no tugboat. And I think to the barges are still trapped down there along with the tugboat in those. The collapse salt mine somewhere. Yeah. I guess they're just wedged in there. Yep. So the the fact that the lake Pinior sucked the Gulf of Mexico into the lake. The fact that the salt mines collapsed lake Pinior was completely changed by this. Here's here's here's the actual fact of the puck is not one person lost their life. Or was seriously injured de-miners made it out the guys from the tugboat from the oil drill rig. Everybody made it out. Nobody was on Jefferson island. I got sucked into the world pool. Not one person died from this most colossal disaster, which is a standing, but the lake itself was changed to it went for being a freshwater lake to a saltwater lake and one that was you know, a handful of feet deep to about two hundred feet deep now. Yeah, it was initially like really really deep, but that eventually spread out in. I guess. Settled on two hundred feet as a good new depth. Right. They had to pay out Texaco. Of course had to pay out. You know, many millions of dollars to the salt mine company and other various companies around there that got destroyed all these houses. Of course, you know, the lake really really grew not only in depth but in size, right? So today, it's you know, basically sort of brackish saline lake you can see like closer the shoreline like chimneys of houses that still pop above the surface. That's crazy. Yeah. It's really an amazing story and all of this happened because the Texaco engineer mistook one kind of map coordinates for another in miscalculated where the salt mine was when they were drilling. I'm surprised to hear that an oil company was responsible for an ecological disaster. Nice one Chuck, well, that's the short stuff hat tip to our pals. Alan Beleza, damn interesting and our fron Ken Jennings for to. Writing some good articles on this stuff. And I guess that's it. So short stuff away. Stuff. You should know is production of heart radios. How stuff works for more podcasts. My heart radio is at the I heart radio app, apple podcasts. Wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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376- Great Bitter Lake Association

99% Invisible

38:16 min | 1 year ago

376- Great Bitter Lake Association

"This is ninety nine percent invisible. I'm Roman Mars when Eric Carlson retired he dove headfirst into an old hobby philately philately is basically the love of stamps and it involves all aspects of stamp collecting from beginners to ex- Association Eric had stumbled upon the remnants of a forgotten bit of world history leftover from a Ragtag Group of sailors stranded at the my attention but the LA wasn't a nation or a postal authority or any type of government body it stood for the great bitterly was busy delivering commercial goods from Singapore to the UK tensions were escalating all around the canal there have been border disputes and skirmishes for years between stamps architectural stamps or my favorite Cinderella's which resemble real stamps but can't be used for males since they aren't issued by postal authority the Israel and its neighboring countries Egypt Jordan and Syria but on June fifth nineteen sixty seven things reached a breaking point in the Six Day War he also didn't recognize the letters across the top GB LA at first I thought it was an acronym for some nation that had escaped Fan Art Eric Carlson finds his stamps at the world's great supermarket for obscure collectibles Ebay and one day he found this really odd of the past in a single square inch of paper Bruiser Vivian Lay of course you've got the basic forever stamp with the flag-waving on it then there are maritime stamps commemorate doc was assigned on trade routes that took him from the UK to Asia they'd hold everything from rubber timber to toys to pan on Kong Singapore began unfortunately for Peter flack he and his ship the Aga- Pr were on their way home via the Suez Canal which was right at the heart of the conflict you see life I don't think I'd be any goods in an office scenario yeah I wouldn't fit in Vivian as much as I want to tell you this is Michael and most important shipping routes in the world it connects the Red Sea to the Mediterranean allowing quick passage from Asia to Europe through the Middle East while flex ship most officials stamps are neat and tidy with clean lines but not this one. The stamp was kind of rough looking lettering was hand-drawn in the burden center of a war Omar Life has been attached to the more suited to Alexa retired now but at the age of sixteen he started a long career in the merchant navy working on commercial cargo ships mostly in the Atlantic and by early twenty s he was looking stanton a Cinderella actually it's a very cumbersome looking red bird in the middle with a yellow background it was easier to control traffic that way the Agostino was one of fourteen cargo ships and two tankers group together not long into the journey the convoy entered a section of the honor was beautiful but also a bit inelegant Eric but to charming just in their simplicity in their crudeness their their joy to look at Cain it is not Peter flack on now seventy seven years if I each senior citizen as you can imagine seventy seven we've discharged and then loaded up a game and then all the way back to the U K via the Suez Canal which was at normal route. The Suez Canal is one of the busiest we're in the line of ships shit was last but one it was common for ships from different countries to pass through in a convoy together because and the convoy of ships to mask surprise blitz on Egypt's the planes were headed westward over the Suez Canal and straight for an Egyptian airbase near the convoys position forty-five an Israeli warplanes cut to the quiet morning and shot in fast and low from the east directly over his head into Egypt in the fee amazingly no one in the convoy was hurt with the Egyptian airforce had been destroyed after the attack the Suez Canal became the dividing line until the traffic cleared but this time the ship would be staying much longer I believe the the chief officer to it it was early morning in flag just taken up his post on the bridge of the ship. Shortly after I came on the bridge the captain blew up to me when I say it blew up to me between Egyptian forces on the west side and Israeli forces on the east with the Great Bitter Lake Right in the middle the convoy was sandwiched between two warring clock Oh eight hundred okay The captain was in his cabin among preceding northbound through the southern part of the sewage canal we were caught up in a as far as we were concerned in a war zone flak in the rest of the cruise suddenly had front row seats to the first wave of the six day in countries the UK West Germany Poland Czechoslovakia Sweden France Bulgaria and the United States in the beginning the cruise didn't know what trapped after a few days when we thought well we're not going anywhere here it's just a case of whiting the fourteen traps ships came from eight ready to see something new I thought I wanted to say now the part of the world you know and also other forest is a lot of C- Faris in the Mid Nineteen Sixties Suez called the Great Bitter Lake it's one hundred square mile body of salt water in the canal normally like the appeal would anchor in the great bitter Lake for a few hours we didn't have this modern communication as a lack of pie so you put you eighty two it anyway and he said Peter I just heard on A. B. Eighteen ships wanted to go rogue and leave against orders they physically couldn't the Egyptian government figured the best way to prevent Israel from using the canal was to block it entirely in the mytalk Egypt's russian-equipped on it appears to have been completely army's this is Cath sinker author of stranded in the Six Day War with the war going on I mean they they were ordered over the radio you know to stop where they were answered Security Council a series of emotionally jury months dragged on and the boats still hadn't been released home while the United Nations tried to work out a deal to reopen the Canal Day Middle East war echoes the long second front they diplomatic struggle at the United we say we'll service it was broken up is if you say anything let me know flex first instinct was to grab his camera eight so a few days after the conflict started they dumped debris through and landmines and scuttled old ships to make the canal impassable the convoy was completely attic conflict dragged on Egypt ordered a complete standstill of the Suez Canal. It was a defensive mechanism firstly they did not want Israel to have access to the they were stranded for so long the convoy earned the nickname the yellow fleet because the sandstorms in the region stain the holes of the ships is surprised company decided to recruit new crew members to keep the vessels in working condition with the understanding that they would set sail the moment the passage reopened while Peter flack was busy so wait further instructions the convoy was made up of commercial ships and had no choice but to comply with Egyptian authorities a ceasefire was reached in less than a week but the diplomat I was always used to say out of the plane if an attack would happen would be advantageous if they came out of the sound we know because then you couldn't see them for the convoy of ships watched from there anchored positions as Israeli jets unleashed gunfire and missiles on grounded Egyptian planes off to that three months of the crews trying to maintain their ships and their sanity the shipping companies and the Egyptian government finally reached a compromise the people trapped on board were released how it was something that they could do because they were in control of it and they could control the traffic I'm that way nobody could use their hostile power could get in there even if the I wouldn't reopen the canal so while the sailors could go home the ships had to stay in the shipping companies didn't want to completely abandon their vessels so the logical thing to do was to keep people there to protect the the volleyball cargo and investment that they'd made in the ship's every shipping they actually had plenty if they pulled the resources and traded with one another they'd have enough of everything to go around they wanted to swap sugar or tea limit but since they were in the middle of a lake in the middle of a desert in the middle of a war zone Morton says it was hard to get supplies we started to run outs the or eggs on they realized that between the you know all the different ships they had wide variety of supplies one German ship had a ton of frozen meat another had too much canned fruit so they started trading worton took a lifeboat from ship to ship at first trading food then swapping movie reels and bartering cigarettes soon they started hanging out a lot and because there were a bunch of twenty something year old sailors they started partying allot some of the captains they were a little bit dancing with the ladies back home and Liverpool a fresh batch of seafarers were sent to take his place they couldn't wait to go of course so it was a new adventure for us and we the convoy and using this Combo once again is a shield so that only hack fire who's coming towards this over even with the risk of being in a conflict zone going to the great bitter Lake was considered a pretty good gig unlike the first wave of sailors caught in the Six Day War through replacement cruise knew exactly what they were getting into and they were offered double pay because of the ever present threat of war it was classes a good job and people have when you fit of the many friendships that we have a noto's you have formed with the people of the other ships and other nationalities was the great eh membership in the Gbi la included events hosted each week by different vessel ships modified their life boats sailboats and took turns hosting regattas one ship built a functional soccer pitch on its deck in held tournaments the Polish ship had a doctor and became the de facto medical center the Swedish ship had a gym a little structure would curb the worst behavior of their sailors so in October of nineteen sixty seven five months after the start of this day war they made a plan perhaps one point five million empty beer bottles may have been dumped into the lake writing quote one wonders. What future archaeologists in a few thousand years time what's going on the only information we got was through the World Service and and the merchant navy program there's no male concerns because clearly in the early days in there was a kind of low of drain king and just sort of hanging out and sleeping and you know they were kind of thinking well rose you weren't going hungry or anything you were limited to the variety if you like the crews quickly realized that between the fourteen ships but even though it may sound like the La devolved into a fleet of party boats the Association was actually there to create a sense of stability in an incredibly unstable place the sailors weren't just individuals on a ship but members of society everybody in the Gbi La was given a specially designed bitter lake themed necktie in bad inch the beds itself was in the shape of a shield with a large anchor across the center at the top were the letters GB l. a. in the bottom was the number fourteen for the Asian of the organization was the everybody would be equal wherever they were from no matter where the cruise came from they left the politics of their home countries aside this was guardianship the Polish ships and the Czech ship so you kind of had the kind of microcosm of the Cold War going on right there in the great bitter Lake on the first live it did happen they came out of the sound from the East around two hundred Israeli fighter pilots used the low position of the rising Sun mm-hmm and even though the great bitter Lake Association was originally formed to curb drinking a lot of alcohol was still consumed on the great bitter Lake One ship Captain Estimate Bitter Lake Association was a way to regulate the unofficial marketplace that sprung up between the ships and bring some order to their mateship community it was also a social committee they took it over there this is George Wharton one of the members of that first relief crew at the time he was just twenty four years old with the new wife and a baby on the way eighteen ships in the lake running diagonally behind the anger within Blue Strip to represent the Suez Canal what was interesting was have western Mrs at sea but this one was unlike any he had ever experienced the Polish seamen made this huge Christmas tree amounted on a raft those from western nations from western West Germany as it then was France Britain and the US say On on the other side you had from the Eastern Bloc countries the member seen a notice on the bulletin board address to all the seafarers on the lake deal at a recent meeting tended by personnel from all ships at sea at first bombing raid the there's I can't fog going on that's a departure to raise departed off that I write they came back in Peter Flag and the rest of the stranded crew finally went home a back highlight guide on his no other cow to a single as a silence and then when he left between the Brotherhood the sports in the official badges the great bitter Lake Association started feeling like something bigger than just a club that was so an idea that the ships in the middle of the great bitter lake formed their own little autonomous community the La didn't feel like a convoy of national ships it felt more like its own nation on therefore as a little nation they should have their own postage stump. Each stamp was handcrafted signed by members of the Association and required a lot of resourcefulness I think the extraordinary thing is the level of craftsmanship that went into creating these tiny tiny Ashley true when the crews came together to celebrate their first big holiday as a group who first Christmas without really was a night to remember warden has spent more than his fair share of Chris a works of arts using whatever materials they could find coffee grounds might be used to create sound you know or I think this I think he's underestimated I think all of those ships would aground bottles aww sue got a letter to prepare so they knew we're not be arriving. Despite the lack of communication the shipping companies were working in the background to get their crews unshipped Czechoslovakian ship and if you went over to that ship water welcome they would give you they would open a bottle of whiskey throw the coke away you could not leave the ship till I wish he was gone thing at hector graph which is kind of like a crude copier and distributed to the rest of the members. Technically these stamps were Cinderella stamps with no postal value and were made mostly Anything that they could find really they also used crayons potato skins and some even carved or etched brass the stamps were copied anchor. This is Eric Carlson philatelists from earlier the stamps often featured nautical imagery like ships and anchors and occasionally they had the days to parse out there were there were others who didn't accept though but other well this is out of law after for their own amusement but some actually made it through as official postage we started put them on our envelopes and some of the accepted by Egyptian government and they did birds to symbolize freedom basically freedom from being stranded in the Suez and I know some of these depictions show that birds tied to to warn happily returned home after the holidays to his wife and brand new daughter figured his time in the lake was a once in a lifetime experience aw are they going to adults made a go you know for free weeks yeah have a good time but they got back to say that's Vivian Tree we had a carol service one of the boats had organ music all son cuddles but to his surprise a year later the UN hadn't figured out a solution the ships were still in the canal and he was given a chance to go back thus coordinated pictures of ladies because sailors a lot of these stamps do have a kind of a tattoo quality to them in the straightforwardness of the design burch aside from being my new favorite word philately is a tragically under appreciated field of study a stamp can give you a perfect snapshot you'd have you sit back Israel times per despite the bump of Yan forces in the AD and on the ground in less than three should will as you know the ships is still Do you want to go back there I said yes definitely when he got back to the Lake Warren realized the association had become more important take the bitter lakes it was decided to form an association to be called the Great Bitter Lake Association the main aim of the association is to maintain unfought mm-hmm you know it would be good to kind of get together and organize some social activists there were they were worried that boredom what sets in and then people would there would be people would get irritated protections for take counted them as post on the let's just go back oh I have a couple of the stamps that have birds anchored in the middle of all the ships and on Christmas night all the boats were invited over to the tree and we titled Tied Around to the Gym and Sing Silent Night in their language overs get matching it in the middle of the desert like a million stars just above your head it was just incredible to listen to I was often go rancid. Who aren't you look you know the work was like being on any other ship there was a lot of cleaning running the engines and checking the cargo to make sure it kept fresh in the held an honor of the nineteen sixty eight Mexico City Games but the heyday of the great bitter Lake Association couldn't last forever in one thousand nine the artwork on each stamp acted like tiny time capsule of their experiences they documented Christmases anniversary soccer tournaments even a great bitter Lake Olympics? Oh you have to do is vote on your favorite make sure you have your say that's Radio Topa Dot F._M. Slash vote Lacrosse on Ebay are intuitively designed refined crafted and considered to create an elegant unobtrusive experience that lets me maximize enjoyment inspiration and efficient becomes back with another story about stamps and canals after this I travel a lot for ninety nine percent invisible for perfect balance of the details you want and the service you need this means style with function and design with comfort as e hotels by Marian easy rest in the a c guest that is uncluttered and truly comfortable socialize in the inviting AC lounge and work in one of AC hotels a year reunion in Liverpool and members Germany and Slovakia still meet up annually it remains a quiet tradition over fifty years later you try your best to get along with your crew and then you move onto the next job he says there's even a term for people who serve in the merchant navy the Board of trade acquaintance most of the ships were no longer seaworthy after the agreement it took a full year to remove the debris blocking the passage there were one hundred bridge sections twenty nineteen seventy-five over three thousand men and one woman actually served alongside each other on the great bitter lake in two thousand seventeen they held a fifty in companies reduce their personnel skeleton crews all the while their ships were slowly decaying by nineteen seventy four when a deal was brokered to reopen the canal that this makeshift nation once existed you could find them in well-designed Badge Accustom Necktie or stamp flexible collaborative meeting spaces it's all about balance AC hotels member of Marietta l'envoi perfectly precise hotel visit AC walks eight tanks one hundred vessels and seven hundred fifty thousand explosive devices thrown into the waters of the Suez and finally in Nineteen Peter Flack who was on board at the start of the Six Day War says that it's pretty rare for seafarers to form such a strong bond you go out us will you be making trip after trip to the post office or you don't have to withstand dot com anything you need to do at the post office you can do at Stamps Dot Com France's live events and interviews and when you travel as much as I do you learn the perfect hotels day is all about balance you WANNA hotel that strikes the I had a bunch of people over my house for dinner recently and the Gbi La is mostly a footnote in the complicated history of the Six Day War but there are little pieces here and there that remind the rest of the world Dr Wants Your Mail is ready just hand to mail carrier or drop it in the mailbox is that easy with stamps dot com you get five cents off every first class stamp and nine Pi you get a special offer that includes a four week trial plus free postage and a digital scale no long term commitments or contracts just go to stamp dot com click on forty percents off priority mail don't spend a minute of your holiday season at the post office this year sign up for stamps dot com instead there's no risk with my promo code nine Dell's at a C. 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Did y'all off any cookware kit over two hundred dollars the code invisible that's equal parts dot com enter code invisible it has been made up the Suez Canal from the Dan Bridge to portside and thirteen maroon much ships have at last been able to pull up the hooks and head towards the Open Mediterranean and get into the rhythm of the kitchen with friendly and inviting cookware coaching and guidance from equal parts all with free shipping and free returns visit equal parts dot com and believe it or not. I have another story at the intersection of philately and canals. It's quite a narrow ven diagram of beat coverage you've carved out for yourself uh so now I'm in the street with Vin and you're going to tell another story about historical stamps yes since we just stick trash ships and that was it is very very much keep in touch but from nineteen sixty seven causing flooding and mudslides so many people died of yellow fever and malaria on so the terrain of Nicaragua's seemed a lot simpler to build through and it also has one was an American attorney named William Nelson Cromwell and the other was a French engineer named Felipe Bruno via and Buono video was Panama is still a province of Columbia and not an independent nation yet so geologically and politically the US thought that Nicaragua would be a better choice on one cooking advice seriously you tell them

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Tackling Low Oxygen In An Oregon Lake

Environment: NPR

04:03 min | 1 year ago

Tackling Low Oxygen In An Oregon Lake

"Support for NPR and the following message come from Almond Board of California did you know almond farmers and processors are dedicated to continuous improvement like putting everything an almond tree grows to good use more about their zero waste goal at almondsustainability Dot Org many lakes in the United States have the compressor comes to life the air hose draped in the water appears to sparkle as air is pushed through thousands of times more oxygen into lakes that need it as just burns of Oregon public broadcasting reports never suspect Nemeth Lake suckers survive pass their first birthday for NPR news. I'm just burns in Klamath Falls Oregon to affect US one factor that might be a cause of mortality Terry's renewable energy student the endangered fish the short nose and lost river suckers used to be common and Upper Klamath Lake in an important traditional food source for local tribes flakes worldwide has been altered by human development and Agriculture Ken Ashley Lake Area since specialist at the British Columbia Institute of Technology says the problems are oxygen in the water to breathe through Gills and the oxygen levels here and Upper Klamath Lake can drop extremely low especially in the summer about the same time of year Ian Riley Hooks up a battery to the solar panels the panels will run two compressors that will push air with all the oxygen it contains now virtually none are surviving their first year when Terry learned that low oxygen is one of the suspected reasons endangered suckers aren't surviving he had an idea who endangered species of fish vanish juvenile soccer they're dying off Mason Terriers Renewable Energy Professor at the Oregon Institute of Technology in Klamath Falls Seto. It drag a floating solar panel raft about as large as a single car garage out of the lake and onto the boat landing at rocky point this is the final on a whisper still morning with the mountains and marsh reflecting off the water but Upper Klamath Lake is a tough place to

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Lake Superior

Haunted Places

37:42 min | 1 year ago

Lake Superior

"Have you checked out the first episode of espionage, yet, if not why haven't you? You're really missing out espionage tells the stories of the world's most incredible undercover missions, and how these covert operations succeeded or failed search for and subscribe to espionage wherever you listen to podcasts, and please don't forget to rate and review. The lakeshore feels particularly deserted today, not a soul visible and either direction and yet as you begin to disrobe. There's a distinct feeling, but you're not alone. Here you run gleefully toward the placid water. The perpetually cold lake superior is a welcome reprieve from the suffocating humidity of this summer's day. You think I should do this more often? But something feels off the water is oddly still around you bubbles start to appear one by one until they surround you on all sides, your heart begins to beat faster, you turn to swim towards the shore. But something cold wraps tight around your feet. You jerk your legs attempting to free yourself, but the cold grip just titans and polls, and as you're pulled deeper and deeper the light from the surface, slowly fading from view, you turn to see dozens of shadowy figures with right piercing is they all stare directly at you. As the last breath dreams from your body. Welcome to hotted places a podcast original. I'm Greg Poulsen every Thursday. I take the scariest areas most haunted real places on earth this week. Join me on a supernatural journey to lake superior the largest of the Great Lakes of North America. And discover why to this day, it's on it. At park Hass were grateful for you, our listeners, you allow us to do what we love let us know how we're doing reach out on Facebook and Instagram at par cast and Twitter at podcast network. And if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening. It really does help we also now have merchandise head to park cast dot com slash merch. For more information, listen to more episodes of haunted places as well. As par casts. Other shows on your favorite podcast directory. Lake superior is nestled at the intersection of Michigan's upper peninsula, Minnesota Wisconsin at Ontario lake superior earned its name due to its massive size covering thirty one thousand seven hundred square miles with an average depth of four hundred eighty three feet. It contains ten percent of all planet. Earth's freshwater by surface area. It is the largest freshwater lake in the world. Many natural wonders lie beneath it's dark surface, including rocks. That are estimated to be two point seven billion years old around fifty one species of fish can be founded lake superior and on a single day at dilutes hawk ridge as many as ten thousand birds of prey may pass overhead and giving day. The first lighthouses on lake superior began operating at whitefish point and copper harbor Michigan in eighteen forty nine eventually, seventy three lighthouses would dot the shores of the magnificently. While many of the lighthouses are banned in or destroyed a small number continue to function as active aids to navigation over the years, countless men and women have man these buildings often, quite isolated from others, this type of rigorous isolation can do dangerous thing to a person's mind. William Pryor said at his desk opened his journal and began to write the log of his daily activities starting with the date. April sixteenth nineteen o one for most of his life. He was alone in the lighthouse. But this hadn't bothered him much. He was something of a perfectionist and rarely trusted others to do a better job that he could those who had worked for William knew that he had a ferocious temper. He was prone to explosive bouts of anger after giving an employee addressing down. William would retire to the lighthouse and continued the rant in his journal. However Williams sour disposition had changed when he'd hired his son George over the course of a year, George had proven himself to be a capable employees. Williams mood had much improved. Will you walk to the window? Gazed out upon the lake the wind howled over the water and pass the walls of the lighthouse getting in eerie sense of foreboding. His eyes scan the peer searching for his son who was doing some minor repairs. He found him at the very end of the pier. Working dutifully Williams, proud of his sons impressive work ethic. He made a mental note to complement the poi- when he returned home that his son looked up from his work getting caught his father Cy as he did. So a gust of wind came off the lake William watched helplessly as George blown by the aggressive. Gale struggled to maintain his balance. Then George tumbled from the pier and out of view, William frozen, petrified Shaq had he just watched his only son plummet to his grisly death. His heart was pounding his chest. His breathing became shallow. William bounded on the stairs of the lighthouse almost breaking the door in half on his way out. He sprinted for the pier. Consumed with panic when he reached the docks edge. He noticed George struggling in the freezing water, William lay flat and extended his right arm. Beckoning George to take hold of it after several attempts, George finally gripped. His father's hand using every last house of strength. William hall, George out of the water and onto the safety of the peer the men lay side by side. Panting exhausted. William felt a wave of relief. Sweep over him. His son was alive. Although George looked to be bleeding from his leg. It was nothing some antiseptic and hot glass of whisky couldn't fix William asked his son. If he would like to take the rest of the day off to recuperate, George proudly informed, his father that he would continue working as usual. William return to lighthouse duties relieved. Night was falling gun. William put on his coat to fight the coal. He hadn't seen George since his fall earlier and was beginning to become concerned will me merged from the lighthouse into the icy cold at night, the wind howl. He called George name. There was no response. He called again this time louder. Still. There was no response. William bound it into the endless darkness searching every nook and cranny of the vast property for a trace of his son he turned a corner into a clearing, and it was then that he saw Georgia's slumped body over large rock Williams creamed in shock. He raced towards a son's body cradling it in his arms he tried to speak to him. But the boy was clearly unconscious. William felt something tennis hand he lifted up and saw that it was dripping with blood the ugly. Gash Georgia's leg had blamed dry. He was too late. George was dead. Ever the professional. He dug a grave with each scoop. He built his arm shake his sorrow took a heavier toll that is digging. The shovel became heavier and heavier as the purpose of the whole sank in. Tears streamed myspace sharply stinging has the cold night air struck the liquid on skin. He wiped his face dirt smearing under his eyelids. Only for the dirt to wash away with each fresh batch of tears when the whole was finished. He lifted his cold dead. Son blood splashing on his clothing. He threw the corpse into the pit his old bones too tired to lower the body gently into the crown. The sun fully set the lake was dark. He left. The pit open knowing he must return to the lighthouse the light needed tending. No matter who son was dead or living. The following day. Williams grief began to overwhelm him. He knew he had to cover his son. But he almost couldn't bear the thought of looking at his corpse again. He began to hear voices in his head whispering of skilled telling him. He was responsible for the death of his son. The voices rose to a B wilder in cacophony William collapsed on the floor hysterically sobbing for his son. He land the ground for hours until finally he worked up the resolve to see his son laid to rest, he plotted to the crave. Each step more difficult than the last as he approached the whole he noticed something sticking out from the ground. His sons leg was mangled and torn chunks of flesh missing wolves tooth marks. Furiously scattered across the skin he peered into the grave to see a flock of crows picking Georgia's eyeballs, he picked up his shovel and scoop dirt onto the crows forcing them to fly away. William knew that this was all his fault. He could have buried him. He should have buried him. Instead, he lit the lamp. And now his son's corpse was desecrated onto filed food to the crows and wolves scavengers and loathed some beasts of the night. He had not done the work and his son paid the price. This was all his fault. The crushing guild was too much for him to pair. He knew there was only one way to silence the voices in his head. Only one way to banish the memory of his greatest sin forever, despondent. He grabbed his gun in some sign and set out for the woods, he stumbled to the trees numb wanting it all to be over. But when he got to a clearing and look down at his hands. He was suddenly paralyzed by choice. Should he used the gun or the cyanide? He couldn't decide. He heard footsteps coming toward him. He turned to see who was there. The hairs on his neck immediately stood to attention. The boys legs still bore the ghastly wound. William tried to speak with him to ask him. If he was okay, he yelled at the apparition pleading with him to respond stone faced the spectre produced a length of rope and handed it over William offered, no resistance. He took the rope from George and approach to nearby tree. His son watched silently as William tied the rope around to branch, he stepped up onto a nearby tree stump and placed the noose around his neck. He took one last look at George's disquieting Lee blank expression before stepping off the tree stump. Standing on a tall. Rocky bluff overlooking lake. Superior lies big bay point lighthouse built in eighteen ninety seven. It was originally a duplex with one side for the lighthouse keeper and the other for the assistant keeper those who worked at big bay point were incredibly isolated so much. So that the keep is wives had to home school their children. In addition to the usual, housekeeping and food preparation in nineteen o one the real William Pryor, the first keeper of the lighthouse watched his only son George die from a tragic fall while working at the lighthouse William tend to the lighthouse for two more months, but went missing shortly after seventeen months later Williams decomposed and skeletal body was found hanging from a tree strychnine and a shotgun rounds. The ground beneath him in nineteen sixty one the lighthouse and surrounding property was sold to a private owner. It is currently the only operational lighthouse with a bed and breakfast in the world. To this day visitors of the big bay point lighthouse bed and breakfast report being awoken in the night by the ghost of a man in coast guard tire at the foot of their bed one minute. He's there. The next is vanished into the brick lighthouse walls. He's destined to remain there. Forever. Gazing out at the Pierre haunted by the memory of the son. He couldn't say. 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Losing part of her leg organized sabotage missions against the German army and helped allied soldiers escape during World War Two search, for instance, crime to espionage wherever you listen to podcasts again, search espionage or visit park has dot com slash espionage to listen now. Now back to the story. Lake superior has long been an important link in the Great Lakes waterway large cargo vessels called lake freighters transport, commodities such as Iran ore and grain across the vast body of water, however, lake superior has been known to be treacherous for ships in the seventy miles of its southern shore between grand Marais and whitefish point lies in area. The lake known as the graveyard of the Great Lakes because of its unusually low water temperatures when human bodies sink in the lake they tend not to resurface as the saying goes lake superior seldom gives up her dead. Captain dealer and first officer Townsley surveyed the endless stretch of water in front of them. It was a cool crisp day without a trace of win the exchange too. Knowing smile conditions like this would ensure a quick journey to whitefish bay. It would lead them plenty of time to grab a drink or two. This type of work could be monotonous load the ship up with containers of iron ore make the trip across the lake to drop them off and repeat it helped have someone pass the time with Diller in Townsley had become fast friends, a call came in over the radio asking captain Diller to confirm the ship's position. He answered at advise they were on course for a rival at three forty pm as scheduled he hung up leaving comfortable silence on the bridge Diller and Townsley rarely took time to admire the length like this. But it was really beautiful the way it's shimmered iridescent. They continue to stare in. All. A white fog. Suddenly materialized before them wispy at first, but quickly becoming dense it hovered above the murky water like an imposing specter Diller in Townsley were unnerved the forecast had predicted clear and sunny weather, not fog, captain Diller, called the fog into the coast guard. But the coastguard was surprised as them. Another ship in the same area just reported. Crystal clear conditions, were they absolutely sure they saw fog. Diller in Townsley double checked. They were sure she assured them that is long as they can track the location via GPS that would be safe to proceed outside the window. The fought continued to grow a thick menacing white cloud Diller Townsley could no longer make out anything beyond the window of the bridge. They reflectively blind. They had encountered bad weather before. But something about this was different. The encroaching fog had an unsettling presence to it as if they were no longer loan. Captain Diller lowered the ship's speed. They were really looking forward to that after work drink. Now. The men were startled by the loud beeping of the ship's sonar equipment, captain Dillard, check their position on the screen, but it was playing. There was absolutely no way to tell where they were. He couldn't understand could it be that something or someone was interfering with the ship's equipment dealer and Townsley shared a disconcerted glance. The boat. Lurch and shook waves rapidly rocking it to and fro as pushed forward. They could hear the ship grinding Townsley pulled the reverse lever attempting to force the boat into an emergency stop. But it refused to budge he motioned for to join him. They planted their feet summoning all of their strength. They gave it a vigorous tug still it refused to move in a panic. Captain Diller reached for the radio, but there was no signal from the coast guard just to grading static Diller attempted to tune to a different frequency, perhaps he could reach another ship and ask them for. He searched and searched until he found a frequency that seemed to be broadcasting something. Perhaps he was going crazy, but it sounded like someone breathing captain Diller begged, whoever it was on the other end of the radio to respond, but the only sound was just more heavy breathing as he pleaded for help the other end of the line. Suddenly let out a blood curdling scream. The men cover their ears. The piercing sound was almost too much for them to bear. Captain Diller turned to look out the window the color immediately draining from his horrified face looming in the fall stood a hulking rusted massive metal the enormous freighter barreled towards them simultaneously spectral. And imposing there was nothing. They could do Diller in Townsley helplessly toppled to the floor bracing themselves for a devastating impact. But there was just silence. The men looked at each other perplexed. They tentatively rose to their feet fearful of what they might see before them. What they saw a picture of serenity as quickly as it had arrived, the fog had completely disappeared. The freighter was nowhere to be seen. All that lingered was a trail of white foam in the water. Exactly where the FitzGerald had been. On a stormy night. I November ninth nineteen seventy five the iron ore freighter s s Edmund FitzGerald left Duluth, Minnesota bound for the island docs in Detroit, Michigan without the benefit of modern GPS tracking systems. She was unable to pinpoint her position in the making her susceptible to the whims of the store Ernest McSorley, the Fitzgerald's captain radioed nearby freighter to inform them that the ship had begun taking on water he requested this freighter be the Fitzgerald's radio is for the remainder of the trip to whitefish bay. But even with this assistance, the FitzGerald never made it to the port the last radio communication received from FitzGerald was at seven ten pm, captain Mick sorely stated, quote, one of the worst sees I've ever seen. We are holding our own and quote, the SS Edmund FitzGerald sank shortly after all twenty nine of the pits. Gerald's crew members perished when the ship went down. There remains were never recovered. The wreckage of the Edmund Fitz. Gerald was discovered on November fourteenth nineteen seventy five five hundred feet below the surface of lake superior broken into two pieces, but many believe that the spirits of the twenty nine men lost on that fateful night continue to make the trip across the lake in nineteen eighty five ten years after the SS, Edmund FitzGerald sank, a commercial vessel spotted sailing on lake superior. The crew claimed that they saw the large ship on a foggy night and reported a strange eerie atmosphere as it appeared before them. We'll have more on lake superior after this. And now back to the story. It's estimated that three hundred fifty shipwrecks have occurred on lake superior because many of these ships were never found the exact number will likely never be now, the largest loss of life on lake. Superior was in nineteen eighteen when French minesweepers Inkerman, and Sarah, souls, vanished and violence store. Seventy eight crew members perished and no wreckage of either ship was ever found. Several historic shipwrecks are visible to this day in lake superior the Alger underwater. Preserve right off municipal. Michigan is home to the wrecks of the Smith more and the Bermuda the lake bottom in this spot is composed of sandstone, and limestone, which we cyst weathering because of this. There is excellent visibility in these waters turfing for those who wished to gaze upon the fallen vessels tourists can take guided glass bottom boat tours of the shipwrecks for the adventurous sightseer who was looking to get up close and personal. It's possible to scuba dive to several of the racks, however, such an excursion is not for the faint of heart. Well, the lake is home to great beauty many believe that the souls of those who perished there remain trapped beneath the water to this day. When her friend Lillian pulled out of their diving expedition at the last minute Sarah was trepidation, the Alger underwater, preserve offers, spectacular snorkeling and underwater photography. But she also founded kind of scary Sarah resolved to make this solo expedition, a brief one just enough time to capture some photos of the famed wreck of the Smith more. There would be time for further exploration in the future. When she had someone else to watch your back, and she began her short journey from also point to the site of the racks Syrah was overcome with emotion, so many who made this trip before her. We're faded never to return. Their sorrow seem to hang like, a heavy cloud above the lake when she reached your destination Sarah paused for a moment before putting on her. Scuba gear the serenity of the placid lake water betrayed the chaos and anguish of the events that had occurred here, Sarah hesitated. Maybe it would be better to turn back and try another time, but she had already come this far. She decided to forge ahead after all when Lillian saw the photo, she captured on this expedition. There was no way. She would miss the next trip. After suiting up Sarah Scheckter scuba equipment one last time. Before plunging beat I into the icy water. The overpowering cold was a jarring shock to her system. It's sent a tingle from her core all the way to her extremities before. Sarah, even had her bearings, cloud, covered the sun and darkness descended around her obscuring everything from new she attempted to swim her way out of the dark, but it seemed to have no end. She reached for her flashlight with a click it aluminum the frigid water in front of her shadow. Darted pastor in her peripheral vision, another shadow shot behind her perhaps Sarah was still adjusting to her oxygen tank. But she was beginning to feel little dizzy. She paused. This was the point of no return should she abandon her mission and return to the safety of the surface. Or should she soldier on into the unknown? Sarah shown, her flashlight below the light catching the glint of some distant medal. And then she remembered the reason she came the alluring wreckage like a hidden jewel nestled below the lake it had a pull over her Sarah descended further into the depths of the gloomy abyss the lower. She sank the more biting cold became it in villa in overwhelmed. Her to the point she could think of nothing else, but the cold Sarah tried to stay focused. She needed to have her wits about her on a diet like this as she continued to the cloudy waters. It's suddenly came sharply interview. The wreck of the Smith more the rusted corpse of the majestic barge had been here for over one hundred years. Sarah swam closer in all of how well preserved the wreck appeared to be. She took out her camera and swam closer to the ship fascinated by large tear in the hall, like a gaping wound. She could only admire it for a moment before the hairs on our next to attention. She had the distinct feeling she was being watched. Every instinct in her body was telling her to flee, and yet an unknown force seem to beckon her inside the ship. Sara ventured further until she crossed the threshold of the wreckage south the suffering that occurred inside these decaying walls was palpable. Sarah was overcome, but the deep sense of panic the feeling that she too was about to experience the same fate as those men. She decided to take some quick photos and get out of there as fast as she could. She pointed her camera at a rusted piece of the ship's interior wall. When Sarah check the cameras digital display. She was met with a terrifying. Sight instead of the rusted ship wall, all she saw were the blue bloated. Corpses of the men who had perished there her heart was pounding. It wasn't safe here. She quickly swam back the way she came. Something wasn't right. The large hole in the side of the ship that she entered through was no longer there. She tried to remain calm. Surely her mind was playing tricks on her she traced along the whole of the ship looking for an opening, but all she found were solid walls. Her heart was beating faster still her body shaking Sarah began to pound on the ship wall park desperation part hope that she could break through the decaying husk of the vessel. But it was no use. There was no way out now. The murky cloud of darkness began to appear around here again. And now Sarah knew she was about to become one of them. One of the souls lost in lake superior. Her hands shaking Sarah check to oxygen gauge fifteen minutes worth of air left. These would be the most excruciating fifteen minutes of her life. While most people who explore the shipwrecks lake superior return on scathed one man as drowned while scuba diving in the leg witnesses said he surfaced yelling for help before he sank to the bottom for unknown reasons. His cause of death has yet to be determined. But the dark nature of the wreckage remains undeniable take a boat tour on one of lake superior's, many scenic cruises to experience it's wonder for yourself and don't worry with today's improved communication systems. There is very little chance of your boat running into trouble with the advent of the internet and modern GPS. There is now radio reception on all parts of the lake and weather forecasts that can be obtained in real time. When visiting lake superior after a large storm don't be surprised to see detritus from the past washed up on the shore glass lumber old pull tabs from beer cans, even coal used in factories of yesteryear. But be careful the storm may also have dredged up some of the spirits of the lake the spirits of those who never made it across. Thanks again for tuning into haunted places. We'll be back Thursday with a new episode. You can find more facilities of haunted places as well. As all par casts. Other shows on apple podcasts bought a fi Stitcher, Google play or your favorite podcast directory. Several of you have asked how to help us if you enjoy the show the best way to help is to leave a five star review. And don't forget to follow us on Facebook and Instagram at park cast and Twitter at park Hass network. I'll see next week. Haunted places. What's created? By max Cutler is a production of Cutler media, and is part of the park has network. It is produced by max and Ron Cutler with sound design by Kenny Hobbs production assistance by Ron Shapiro and Paul Moller additional production assistance by Maggie admire and Freddie, Beckley this episode of haunted places was written by John pursell. 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43. Lake Lanier: Deaths, Cryptids and Ghosts

Reverie True Crime

26:52 min | 5 months ago

43. Lake Lanier: Deaths, Cryptids and Ghosts

"You. Are you into the secret histories of exorcisms Christmas Massacres Kill Does Irs and concert disasters. How about haunted mansion's The Philadelphia experiment the Dorm of death or Candy Corn Than GonNa, love. Ghost town a hilarious and sometimes not so hilarious twice weekly podcast on Wednesdays we discussed the secret history of an abandoned unexplored, haunted or mysterious place from anywhere in the world and. And on Fridays we cover an amazing historical failure from any time in history goes. Town is one hundred percent, safe and legal. We guarantee it. It's also fun spooky and can contain a riot, a massacre, a murderer or an arch deluxe I'm Rebecca Lieb I'm Jason Horton and this is ghost town, and you can find ghost town wherever you listen to podcasts. Welcome to reverie true crime. Today's episode is more on the creepy side. Strange occurrences. Hey I'm andy. If you don't know me, it's probably because I'm not famous, but I did start. 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Dance and urban legends of a mysterious lake, called Lake Lanier and is located in Georgia. So let's dive right into this. Before, we get into this suspicious and weird occurrences at lake lanier. Let's go through some fast facts. Lake Sidney Lanier is likewise known as like linear, and it's a lay in the northern part of Georgia. It sixty miles from Atlanta. Over six hundred miles of shoreline borders, these five counties hall Dolphin Ornette Logan and force it. This vase local near the biggest lake in Georgia. When the Buford Dam on the Chattahoochee river was complete in nineteen, fifty six lake. Lanier was created. It took five years for the body of water to fill it his water level and the US, government bought more than fifty thousand acres of land on the countryside. This would go on to displace two hundred and fifty plus families, six churches, fifteen businesses and relocated about twenty cemeteries. This lake covers fifty nine square miles of water and six hundred and ninety two miles of shoreline when it's ads normal level. It was christened like Linear Foreign American poet named Sidney Lanier. The US Army, horror of engineers work it and they made it to control. And the supply, water! The Georgia Department of Natural Resources and local law enforcement patrol like linear. Georgia, Alabama and Florida. Do have all rights to the lake since Lake Lanier serves rivers that goes across those states. Atlanta has simply expanded its suburban neighborhoods, which is calls the water discharge consumption by the private homeowners for lawns and gardens. The so many buildings and roads were absolutely flooded while Lake Lanier was made. These are just some basics to get started. So. What's the calls of people believing that life linear is haunted? Well in the nineteen fifties when the light came to be, numerous gravesites were unearthed, which led people's believe like linear is haunted sinister, possibly, even hers. So, many towns were affected by the lake, overtaking them because it caused a whole underwater graveyard of towns to sit at the bottom of the lake. So, basically you've got literal roads walls houses that are still intact like literal ghost town in this water. There most certainly seems to be something unnerving going on in these waters. Many. People have vanished in this like never to be found again. They'll lanier leg as eighty to a hundred feet deep one. It's at steepest which would absolutely make searching problematic, however, if you talk to the locals, they firmly believe that Lake Lanier is sinister, and it's not uncommon knowledge. Despite the tails of this mysterious lake. It's still an extremely popular one that people visit during the summer. Let's set aside for a moment. This suspicions that this late could possibly be haunted or cursed. The fact of the matter is like linear is one of the United States deadliest lakes. Since the mid nineteen, ninety s there have been reports will over one hundred sixty deaths on this late. And this is according to the Department of Natural Resources Statistics the Atlanta Journal Constitution even indicated that a projected eight million tourist designed to go explore the wake mostly during the summer. NAYS DOT COM rescind all of the deaths plus reports of missing people just from twenty nineteen at Lake Lanier. The ninth of May Twenty Nineteen the Atlanta Journal Constitution said that two guys were on a boat and they were unaccounted for after their bow crashed. One of the men on the boat was retrieved fifty nine year old. Brennan, Love President. But the second male was never found. The twenty ninth of May Turning Nineteen still sourcing from Newsweek and the at a journal Constitution. Me Men lost their lives when they drowned in the lake that weekend. Two men drowned, and both deaths were not related to each other. It's common that when people go out to the lake and drank too much that it can result in fatal accidental drowning, however and both of these men's deaths. It seems that those things were not the cause the. Thirtieth of June twenty, nineteen, the associated. Press reported that Corey Brown only twenty eight years old jumped into Lake Lanier to save his friend. When Corrie jumped into the water. He vanished. Sonar devices and applying were used in the search. They both turned up empty handed. In July of Twenty nineteen, according to the Newsweek article, there had been no deaths or missing people that month. So. That's a lot of join nineteen thus far. and October of twenty seventeen. Buck Buchanan who would frequently dive in the lake told WGC LTV about his experiences as diver in these waters. Buck stated quote you reach out into the dark, and you fill an arm or leg, and it doesn't move. That's creepy and quote. On twitter, someone said quote. Georgia built Lake Lanier a whole town and a few cemeteries didn't even move the graves. That's why that Shit haunted and coach. Since. The gravesites were unearthed. There's more than likely corpses from there that are just floating throughout that whole body of water creepy right. The twitter post about Lake Lanier and posed from people that live. There make really valid points, and they're really hilarious doing it. Nevertheless, points are made. One user said. They're gonNA. Make a horror movie called Lake Lanier one day. While another person, said our live on Lake Lanier, so am I supposed to just eat myself out of there or Also we've been new. It was haunted the Graveyard of the town on your. The rate is right behind my dad's house. I'm still sourcing. Newsweek dot Com and as always my sources will be in the show notes. But the author of this article brought up something that I now have to dig into. One of the pretty major concerns is the lady of the lake. She's a goes. People say stroll up and down the Dawson Highway Bridge. There's also another goes, and her name is Agnes. There are clashing stories about Agnes. Some say that she hung herself at a university. Others claimed that she drowned. There's another story which may not be directly related to the lake itself since the late wasn't actually created yet, but these people may just as well behind the area. It allegedly happened in nineteen. Oh, three, one eighty eight people perished in an accident according to the Gainesville Times. So it's possible, their spirits still hang around that area. People in the comments section of the Newsweek article are giving them absolute hell for saying that there were over six hundred deaths in the lake and twenty seventeen, saying that that's impossible. Some say that there are maybe fifteen year. CBS Forty six reported that ever since the lake was created, there have been six hundred seventy five estimated deaths, and not all the bodies have been found. So maybe that's what Newsweek meant to say, instead of being that number per year. Either way there's a lot of dads and it does make for a more ghoulish story whether you believe it's haunted or not right. So I don't live there. I've never visited there. So this is first time to dive for a lack of better words into this likely near business. If! You have a linear story that you'd like me. Talk about and for me to read on the podcast. Please feel free to send me an email at reverie true crime at gmail.com. That would be absolutely interesting to me and I'm sure many others. So something that truly gave me chills to think about was what I read on WSB TV's news article, or they talked to another driver named Richard Pickering. He's been to the bottom of the lake and back many times. He said quote. People think there's nothing down there. They think it's just rocks and mud. It's not there's a full force down there. It doesn't decompose. It doesn't rot the lands everything. Is there so when you're diving around this? You're diving into the middle of a forest in quote. Hen You imagine. Maybe it's just me, but thinking of swimming underwater and a creepy as hell or his. Anna Ghost town is probably one of my worst nightmares. That I didn't even have or think about prior to this. Travel nor dot Com wrote about linear and twenty nineteen, essentially talking about the controversy of it all the deaths and missing people. It was Memorial Day weekend and Twenty Nineteen and Reginald Terra Whitehead. Only thirty years old, fell off of his jet ski and when he hit the water. That was it vanished. Never resurfaced. Maybe twenty four hours before Reginald's tragic accident as sixty one year, old male named Michael Thompson, who resided in Gainesville drowned while he was by vote dot. The twenty eighth of April as seventeen year old child named Dante Lane was extracted from the water. According to traveling war and twenty nineteen after this incident, the report said he was in critical condition. This one might be more familiar to a lot of you. An eleven year old named cow glover lost his life to the lake, digital, horrible jet Ski Accident, and some of you may remember this. Well, if not let me try to jog your memories. How lover was the son of to make a foster? She was once married to the famous rb singer usher. Took place in two thousand twelve and I remember so many reports about this and I didn't know that it was like Lanier and he'll I was researching this. So one twitter user's said why folks in Georgia's still go to Lake Lanier. You GonNa die Bro. Craft, Emoji. The US Army Corps of Engineers have been trying to do their part to try to lessen the numbers of boating accidents and to bring awareness to water safety. They've given a lot of drowning prevention tips that include using the buddy system while you're swimming, limiting how much alcohol you consume and not to go venturing off into restricted areas. So according to this website called me all dot com. M. A. W. W.. Dot Com and eleven alive dot com hosted on June fourteenth and Fifteenth Twenty Twenty at teenagers Spotty had been discovered after he was missing for a day. Gainesville Police Department with the help of the Hall County, Fire Department. The Department of Natural Resources, the Army Corps engineers, marine rescue units of hall and force, if counties and a group of twenty divers were sent to Lake Lanier and they were trying to find missing nineteen year old Zoos Victoria Reynosa. They had been out there for hours looking when they finally found his body at six in the evening by using Assad scan sonar, eventually removing his Vanni with a remote operated submersible. Mark McKinnon with the Georgia Department of Natural Resources confirm this. Sergeant Kevin Growth. Who is with the GAINESVILLE police? Department added to say that to people went swimming in light linear when both went underwater. The other body did resurface and hey, Zeus. His body went undiscovered until the next day. They got in touch with the victim's family immediately when all this came to light. And twitter was added again with poor saying why one is anyone want to swim? And Lake Lanier is my question. There's a reason I affectionately. Call it murder lake. Another user posted dead Ass Lake Lanier must be haunted or some Shit I swear. person goes missing there every other week. Eleven alive. Dot, com reported over the fourth of July. That just passed. Some people ended up. Celebrating and then having tragedies. Reporting that the Georgia Department of Natural Resources let their voting stats be released for the fourth of July weekend. It shows that they had to respond to a few drownings and one voting fatality. On the website hauled only in your state DOT com. They wrote an article that was talking about how people who have almost drowned in the leg depicted. Their incidents is being pulled under the water or being held under the water without having any control over their own bodies. Today's episode is sponsored by fix. Fix is an adult toy online store whose purpose is to share the most innovative an enjoyable or does toys. Whether for solo, play or for mutual enjoyment, fix has a variety of items to meet all needs. From vibrators to want to clitoral stimulators, there are tons of items from you explore. Sex is great, but sex is different for all people, which is why fix does their best to have a match for everyone. So what makes fixed products so great? They find people all walks of life and sexual health experts to do extensive testing. Amr reviews if it's not a winter, they toss it at their people love it. It's definite go. Fix sources products that are sexy, sleek, but most importantly safe for our bodies. visit www dot. Let's fix dot com, that's L. E. T. S., P. H. X. dot com, and use the code reverie to get a free gift with your order. That's R.. E. V. E. R. E. To get a free gift with the order shop. Let's fix DOT com today. Also even more strange than all of these debts that have been frequently occurring illegal linear for decades, their stories of weird phenomena and strange creatures. So I want to reference back to the lady on the lake, Allegedly you can hear her moaning in the middle of the night around the lake. Witnesses say she doesn't have any hands and for years and years she's been appearing before. People's is one minute and the next. She's gone. So, who exactly is this mysterious lady of the lake? Where did she originate from? According to Gwinnett citizen Dot Com they sling who she is. An April of nineteen fifty eight Susan robbers began to lose control of her car, which resulted in her colliding into an off of the right race of the linear. Bridge on Dawson Bill Highway. Her car settled and ninety feet of water that was on a vertical inclined at some of the bridge. Suzy's car was entangled in the dead fall of shared off tree trunks that encompassed the lake lanier floor. And Nineteen fifty nine. There was a discovery of. Daily May Harker Young's body, but a few divers, and it's believed that she was Susie Roberts passenger during the accident. Suzy's car and body were not located. At the bottom of the lake, there's virtually zero visibility. And November of Nineteen Ninety Suzy. Roberts car was found when there were some construction work happening on the new Lake Lanier Bridge. They were making an extension to the bridge and the construction workers were combing the ground floor of the late, because they needed to set the groundwork for pillars, and that's when they discovered her car, but her coerce remains undiscovered. Now another story involves a fish. Not just any old catfish, but one that is said to be the equivalent in size to a ten year old. Maybe around five feet in height and weighing around one hundred pounds. Yet that's a big catfish, and it probably does look rather on however a have to be the party pooper on this one. Because when you look at the records of cap is that people have caught? They look like monsters, some of them way over one hundred twenty pounds, but as we get into this, there's more to this story than meets the eye. There's another story about a chicken truck. The story goes. There was a chicken truck that ran off the Thompson Bridge in the nineteen eighties, divers went down to examine the wreck, and supposedly came across a huge catfish, gulping down these chickens. Again I have seen some pretty launchers catfish that could all fairness waikele the capable of this. But. It does make for an eerie story. However. This particular catfish tail is on Lake laniers own website. This is where the creepy. Noah's of the catfish comes into play. The clients are that there was a woman who is pregnant strolling along the shore of six, Mile Creek, which flows into Lake Linear. There was a John Norma's hat. Fish slid flashing near the shoreline and scared the lady so much that when she did have her baby, he had the same features as the catfish. Riddle beady is what was supposed to be. The baby's mouth was asleep in his face, and he never sprouted a hair his whole body as sleek as a catfish is. Also having Pale gray skin and webbed feet and hands. This little child is now locally as fish head. The story goes that. The child was bullied so much that he pulled away from society. He started to play Bun, self, he'd venture off into the woods alone plane and fishing inside the six Mile Creek. And interacting with the animals that not only inhabited the area, but learn to take him in as one of their own identifying him as another animal when they learn how and gentle. His mom forced him to go back to school again, but every time that he went, he'd return home and tears from all the harassment and his mom told him that he'd never have to go back again. His mother ended up passing away when he was in his teen years, and he didn't have a dad or any jen to go to, so he chose to spend his life in the woods from there on out right along six Mile Creek. He made his home in the rocks behind the arm of the lake, which is where the creek flows into Lake Linear. People say that they see fish heads sometimes, and there are tales that there was a monster living by the cree. So you have those people who always want to go explore and catch these creatures like bigfoot and other critics right? So, there was this little group of people who thought they go to try to catch fish head and they called him. They'd make people pay money to see him. A, few people got in their votes on a mission to seize fish head. Supposedly as they neared behind the lake arm, they heard a massive splash. These people were never seen again. The. Only signs of them were as their wooden boat, which was covered and claw marks, indicating that some animal or creature of some kind grabbed the boat and flipped it over. That's the legend of fish head and the people who tried to catch him. What's more startling to me? Is All of the deaths on like linear, and it was reported that people who were murdered what either be thrown into the lay or late at the shoreline. So. What do you think about all of? This had every single case just be a freak accident? And like I said before. If you have a story about lake, Lanier let me know at Reverie. True crime at gmail.com. Or? You can post your story in the facebook group. Reverie true crime podcast. Thank you guys for listening to this episode and I'll talk to you all soon. Stay away from Lake, linear and holiyays. Can you to social distance? We had a spike in numbers year and I. Still just urge everyone not to go out unless you just have to. Order was you. Can online take every her caution necessary I personally know family and friends who have tested positive for Covid, and who have passed away from Cova. So I. Don't want to lose any of you. So do what you have to do. Employees don't be stubborn. I love you guys and until next time, stay safe and healthy.

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EP. #13: Samuel Boehlke - Crater Lake National Park

Locations Unknown

50:01 min | 1 year ago

EP. #13: Samuel Boehlke - Crater Lake National Park

"Samuel Belkin was last seen on October fourteenth of two thousand six near the Cleveland Cove Area Crater Lake and. Sammy walked away from the overlook. Where they're at into a forested area over two hundred people search for the boy but he was never found? If you were there Saturday Saturday. Please call the tip line. So that the Thar the proper authorities can know how to get my song on by safely. Everyone they're searching. I appreciate everything you're doing and I'll just want my little boy back. Thousands of people have mysteriously vanished in America's wilderness. Join join us as we dive into the deepening of the unexplainable in trae apiece together. What happened you are listening to locations unknown What's up everybody and welcome back to another episode of locations unknown? I'm your co host Joe Chiro and with me as always is Mike Van Boettger. How's it going show a thanks for tuning in Before we get started. I've got a couple of updates. Some exciting updates. Our first update relates to the Arvin Nelson case For a couple of episodes. You've been telling telling you guys about an interview. We have planned while we've we've got it scheduled now well With two people that have known Arvin for longtime if hiked with him and we we should have that interview out before the end of the year. It's it's kind of some inside baseball with Arvin who he was. What type of person he was they hiked with him in the area went missing so it should be a great interview? I'm I'm really looking forward to it. The the second update I have is. We've got an exciting a collaboration coming up. We've we're going to be collaborating with the the website strange outdoors dot com. You ever been to their website. They cover a lot of these serious cases and they got a lot of great articles articles on there and we're looking forward to future collaboration on new cases so got a lot of cool updates coming coming up here so stay tuned. Yeah great work on those Mike. I know the the interviews been very tough to coordinate because each of the two guys live on the West Coast and one's on the east coast. They have kids. They families so They're they're excited about coming on the air so it's going to be great for us to learn some new things about Arvin. Get some new insights eventually. Some theories from close friends runs outside of just what we looked at the news. So that will be great before we get kicked off. Definitely WanNa do a shout out to sea products for their continued support of our show. If you've been listening you've heard a lot about them in the past. They make great topical products pain products. They have a couple of edible products so visit their website. VERGER MED DOT DOT COM. That's V. E. R. D. U. R. E. M. E. D. dot com. All right right everybody. Let's gear up and get out to explore locations unknown October six two thousand and six eight year old Samuel Belkin and his father Kenneth were staying at the Diamond Lake resort Nine miles from Crater Lake National Park Salmon. His father decided to take drive into Crater Lake and stop at. The Cleveland would cove overlook to take in the beauty of the park about a quarter mile. East of the clete would cove trail Samuel and his father part part got into the car and began walking into crater lake. After a few minutes of walking eight year old Sam cross the road and ran often once seeing his son run into the woods can chase after him but to his shock when he got to the woods Sam had vanished Never to be seen or heard from again. Join us this week as we piece together the mysterious disappearance of Samuel Bulky sanyal bulky went missing in Crater Lake National Park near the Cleveland Cove Overlook. Now Joe. Have you ever been a crater lake. No and ever since we did our last episode a friend of Mine Just went he said it was gorgeous in. They went because they they listen to the show and he was had heading out that way so they they never thought to stop until they listened to it which I thought was ironic. 'cause it was about a missing person but no he said it was really beautiful and and ever percents then if I get out to Oregon. That's definitely one of the places I WANNA stop at. Yes same here. I've never been there but it's definitely on my bucket list of places to hike so crater lake. National Park is located in Oregon. And it's a pretty big park. It's about two hundred eighty six square miles It's an old park. It was established in one thousand nine hundred two and it's a very popular park. They had Twenty seventeen about seven hundred eleven thousand visitors so a very popular park. It's a beautiful place to visit. The water is crystal blue. It's the pictures. Look amazing long before it became the National Park. Some interesting history here. There is a native American tribe called the Klamath and there's actually a city named after them near this place but they considered the lake to be spiritual place that possessed great wisdom and strength. So it's interesting a lot of these amazing places that we have of national parks at now used to be very spiritual native American areas so just a little bit interest in history. I've got some kind of interesting facts x about the area Joe. So maybe I'll cuisine here. What's the highest point in the park? I'M GONNA guess there's there's not many places over ten thousand feet like I feel like there's some mountains air but it's not like there's no fourteen I'm guessing. Actually the highest peak is twelve two thousand feet so you can do some pretty pretty good Alpine hiking on to say I was Kinda right then. I won't cuisine anymore Lori but a couple of other interesting facts about the park. The lake is nineteen hundred forty nine feet deep making it the deepest lake in the US. So just think about that. If you live in the Midwest you could fit the sears tower into it and I don't think he'd be able to see it so it's a very deep lake interesting scientists estimated that took over two hundred and fifty years for Crater Lake to fill to its present level. So just think about that for a minute lot of trails in the park. There's one hundred forty miles of trails in the park and there's only been one person in the history of the park to to send it to the bottom of lake which was a guy named now. I'm going to butcher this Mark Tanka and I'm sure I butchered at ten account but Tenneco and he made it to the the lake in a submersible deeper over. I'm imagining Bradley similar to something that James Cameron went down into view. The titanic's yeah. It would have to be with that much water. The the poundage per square foot just would crush anything other than a special submarine and Obviously because this lake was created by a volcano. No there's no flowing streams into it so all of the water you see in. The lake is from precipitation and Snow Melt so an interesting. We learned that last time but The the new one is obviously they say it took about two hundred and fifty years so I mean that's crazy. It's two hundred fifty years of rain and Snow Melt. Fill the thing up and they get a Lotta snow there. So the climate is is very a wintry cold most of the year They average about five hundred thirty three inches of snow or over forty four years. So this makes it one of the most snowiest places in the world most of the Earth so October through may deep snow pretty much curtails access to most of the park so keep that in mind about this case. So Samuel went missing October. So you're getting into the period of the park where it gets very difficult to move around. So yeah they say. Snow covers the park for about eight months of the year. A very extreme weather it gets very cold. Obviously it's snowing forty four years so it's it's not uncommon to have a snow event one snow event where it could snow. You know five feet. That's insane that's like there's very few days out of the year. There's not stall on the ground. It just seems like yes so this is why park officials really stress. That people visiting the park in the winter need to be prepared to be potentially stuck out there there for a long periods of time. Because as you'll find out later in this case if you go missing and Crater Lake National Park during the winter Search and rescue. You may not be able to get to you because sometimes the weather is bad enough. They can't even they can't fly helicopters. Jeez there's avalanche issues in the park. So that happens so it's a very pretty dangerous park to hike when it's October through May and even the summer there's a lot of lightning in the couple of months that it's warmer out and so they weren't hikers about lightning strikes in the summer and which is funny because snow sometimes stays on the ground into July so your summer in Crater Lake is a month or two crater lake was created by a volcano. The volcano collapsed about seventy seven two hundred years ago to form. What we know now is crater lake so It's been there a while another interesting thing about crater lake that I think is a factor in this case was it's heavily wooded and there's a lot of rock formations and drops and crevasses and it's it's a real it's really rough terrain and it's it's one of those areas where you could be walking down the trail. There could be somebody hiding off the trail and you might not see him five feet off the trail. L. It's that dense that yeah and that makes it more likely that you're going to have those incidences where people can go missing in the search and rescue effort will just be hindered by by the brush. Exactly yeah so we've We've we've probably covered a few other cases where the brush the brushes this thick but definitely is a factor in this case as far as the dangers present in the park like we said that the number one dangerous probably whether exposure. So if you're caught out there from October to May and you're not prepared the likelihood of you being able to survive is going to be very low. As far as animals they do have black. Bears occasionally seen in the park from my research. They don't have a precise number and how many there are other animals in the park. That include coyotes elk porcupines. The the wildlife isn't going to be what gets in this park. It's definitely going to be the weather as far as vegetation it's dominated by Ponderosa Pines. It sounds like an amazing place to hike. Sure because the weather shuts the park down for most of the year. It's probably really busy in July and August in September as far as you know shelter there are a lot of rock outcroppings so there is a chance. If you got lost in the park that you could probably find shelter okay but that would also make it harder for search and rescue teams to find you so I would say if you if you're back country hiking this park. It's it's difficult difficult park to hike in based on terrain weather conditions anybody hiking. There should take extreme caution when preparing. Yeah it's Kinda if you're going for for the weekend you might want to pack supplies for five day. Stay to be extra careful to give yourself an extra couple of days of rations and things just to make sure that you have no issues news and and have experienced. Yeah have experienced in if I was doing a deepak country trip in Crater Lake I probably carry one of those Search search and rescue beacons. Oh yes to just a plate safe. It's a cool park. But you gotta you gotTa take precautions for the terrain and weather so Joe Actually tell us a little about Samuel Sam Becky was male age eight at the time of his disappearance and that was in two thousand and six. Today's age he'd be about twenty one years old right about now. The time he went missing he was four foot. Eight and about eighty five pounds. You know just average size eight eight year old kid. He had light brown hair Brown eyes. He was last seen in a long sleeved. Black in green striped shirt. Cargo Pants Red Suede slip on shoes with rubber soles and a blue winter coat if he gets stuck out in the elements in those kinds of clothing it he's not gonNA survive long. No Yeah it's good for the day but not an overnight especially in October. You know it's it's I mean it's Ju- I mean. It was snowing in October here. Just just a few days ago and it's it can be really bad and then up there. It's even worse than it is down. You know we're in Milwaukee. It's much worse up in northern Oregon. He has personality. He was a passionate and bordering on stubborn. He did have asperger's so a lot of times. That's where that stubborn can come from because people with asperger's are very particular about certain things. He's got a high functioning form of autism essentially so as a result of his condition he had add extreme reactions to bright lights and loud noises as you'd expect from someone with autism or or ask Burgers for my research a lot of the search and rescue some of the techniques they use. They weren't able to use in this case because of those reactions to specifically loud noises. Yeah a lot of times in search and rescues. He's they'll blast really loud horns and things to try to draw people closer to the searchers. But they weren't able to do that this time could scare and potentially deeper into the woods or especially especially with someone like that and I won't get too deep into it actually. I'll wait till theory time but yeah you you wouldn't want to scare him deeper into the woods or anything I hey I am laughing because in the notes in occupation and hobby it just as child I was like a ah cut my reaction there when I was reading through this. But that's funny just to give a high level overview of the people that will be going through in this case These the people people here the names of Kenneth was his father. Obviously Samuel was the young boy who was lost Tim Azinger. He's an aircraft recovery investigator and Dan retired. Sheriff of the Klamath Count in Klamath County Oregon. Lyle Ahrens is a reporter from TV. That's a local station in Klamath falls. Ken Salazar's a secretary of Interior. He was secretary of Interior from two thousand nine to two thousand thirteen. Heidi Street men is a college professor. Sir Regis University Rudy Evanston was the Peo for the park. So that's public information officer and Pete Reinhard Overseas Law Enforcement Worship Park in his division supervisor on the search so those are all the people that you'll hear the names of or that were directly related to the search and rescue efforts. We mentioned a lot of these names. Just because is this case back in two thousand six kind of caught a lot of attention from the local and national media. So there's a lot of different interviews from people talking talking about the case the park the National Park Service as we're going through the timeline will will kind of sprinkle in some of those quotes from these people and at least now you know who we're talking about. It sounds good. Samuel went missing late afternoon on October. Sixth two thousand six which was a Friday so like Joe mentioned mentioned in the summary Him and his dad were staying at Diamond Lake resort which is about nine miles away from crater lake. I believe its north of Crater Lake. That afternoon Salmon. His Dad decided to drive into crater lake on their drive into the lake. They decided to stop at this. Overlooked called cove from the pictures. It looks like a if if you're not able to hike the park you know. These overlooks look amazing. Great Opportunity To get some pictures taken the whole lake. I know a lot of these parks. Have those like Polat. Is it Kinda like a pull off not not a parking lot but they have room for your car so you can get a snap. A few photos get back in Dr. Yeah so it's a dirt pull off if if if you've seen pictures of crater lake the road Kinda goes around the ring the lake and it's you know you've got more mountainous terrain on the left side and then you've got the lake on on your your right side but it's it's lower elevation so you've got kind of rocky outcroppings down to the lake so this overlook is kind of in between that and there's actually the trail had not too far from this over two so you know people might. I believe there is more room to park cars. He might be able to park your car here and hit that trail head some of the reports reports. I read stated that the father and son stop there so late afternoon in October. So it's GonNa be getting dark pretty early and they were GONNA play hide and seek this. Just draw some red flags right away. This father knows his son. Has You know he's on the autism spectrum. I just don't know how smart it would be to at this time of year. That time of day to start playing hide and seek in the park. I don't know it just doesn't seem sit right with me but I don't know how valid a couple of reports said that but so like we said they parked at this overlook and they actually parked a little farther east of it near a trail head. God at some point Sam crosses the road and he kinda climbs up this screen hill of Rock Hill. Loose rock yeah. Okay and I I think the reports I read. It's about fifty feet up. He was up there and one of the reports I read was there was a guy in a bicycle riding by and Sammy Emme was kind of up there and he was getting ready. Looked like he was getting ready to throw rocks at the guy and the bike. Like any young kid you know. They're just goofing around and his dad yells to him to knock it off and come back. It was at this point where Sami instead of coming back to his dad ran off into the woods almost instantaneously his dad goes up after him gets up. This fifty foot loose rock hill and his kid was just gone in the report. Cyclist witnessed this event. The cyclist verified that. He saw Sammy at the top of this hill. Okay but he didn't talk about that that whole Sammy ran away and his dad chase after him. I don't believe so I think the guy in the bike kept going. Well the reason I ask is because I think that gives is a little credence to the father. Because we'RE GONNA we're obviously going to look at every angle. This I was immediately thinking. Is this a dad who potentially did something. There's a little bit of a Red Flag in the back of my head but there's a third party that was there and witnessed the event that occurred when he went missing that that changes. I think so. Yeah Yeah let's keep going on and winning your more. Yes so so like I said his dad ran up. This little hill got to the treeline. His kids go on so he spends the next couple of hours trying to find him yelling form flagging out passing cars and eventually he flags down a car and he calls nine one report. His son was missing this late afternoon. By six o'clock that day the National Park Service started putting putting searchers into the field so very fast response. I'd say it sounds like they started instantly the first night they had up to twenty five searchers in the field including foot searchers. Here's search dogs and tracking teams while that's not a a large search by any means. They they did have people in the field from the first point of separation operation. which was that that Little Hill of loose rock? The National Park Service said. They're they're treating this as a rescue mission now the recovery mission so they fully anticipated dissipated finding Samuel within a couple hours. Well Yeah you have. Essentially them witnessed theory. He went missing in where. It's different words if it's a couple of hours later and you kinda trying to think he's in the spotlight. His Dad was with them. Yeah and because of the terrain around the area where he went missing they you know. They didn't anticipate Sam getting in too far. It's like we said it's very rocky terrain a lotta hazards very thick vegetation. So it's not something that even inexperienced person could move through quickly quickly the National Park Service even hoped he perhaps burrowed under some some of the thick vegetation or under a rock overhang next. I've got a quote from the the parks is piano so Evanson said the rugged area has a lot of dead down trees. A lot of rock piles a lot of places in eight-year-old could fit into Sammy's Emmy's family has let us know that one of the things he likes to do is curl up in small places right away the park service like all right. He ran off the road. He's probably back in your maybe ten. Fifteen thirty feet crawled under a tree or in a you know rock outcropping. We'll find him they're searching. Nothing's happening so park. Personnel amounted the search search. Unfortunately the search started just before dark and then the park service realizes it's GonNa take a much larger effort Mac. Brock was the park natural resources officer. They called in the National Park Service Incident Management Team and search teams from Mount Rainier and Yosemite National Parks and they called in some from national forest and local county officials so I think early on they realized are limited searches and finding them we need to bring in the big guns. Now we gotta go all out and like we said the weather can change in a diamond this place and if they get snowfall I mean. He's already got to be so so cold being late October. The search was concentrated. First on the immediate area around the spot where the boy was last seen and then gradually moved out to cover hover a three mile radius Reinhardt said and again Reinhardt was the he was the enforcement officer. That was kind of overseeing the search at the time in late October early October. Still it's cold. Yeah Cold Lindsey coons of the Corvallis Mountain Rescue Unit said to have an eight year year. Old Boy out there with just slip on shoes would be life and death on a summer night at this altitude but late fall in turning to snow. Hopefully he's hidden but that it just makes it tougher. So the searchers they know what he was in and they know that like the lady said even in the summer at this altitude. That's GonNa be a tough night. Yeah that's so sad to think about to as a as a search and rescue person to be up against the time line like that were. Were you start searching. And it's your frantically looking for this child because I think deep down what they know is every single minute counts. Oh absolutely flute at that temperature and what they're doing so it's it's like cow fast. Can we go without going so fast for overlooking things because because I think they know deep down I think I would have the same feeling just with my experience on the ambulance that if you get to twelve hour mark overnight the odds of finding in this becoming a rescue versus recovery have drastically shifted towards the recovery real early on one of the rescue teams. I read was a twenty member. Team called the Rogue River hotshots and they spread out in a line about thirty feet apart. And then what what. They're assigned grid looking under rocks down logs trees in snow. About six inches deep a special rock climbing rescue crew from Yosemite National Park repelled. Repelled down the steep Caldera walls towards the lake they had boats going along the shore checking under the water they even had horseback teams out there and they they eventually opened the space up to Helicopter search teams so early on they started deploying a lot of assets to try to find this this kid because they understand every like you said every minute they spend looking form It's going to become more difficult. We're onto the next day now so it's October tober seventh two thousand six at early Saturday morning Tim Adenjer he was the Joe mentioned earlier. Tim was is an aircraft recovery investigator that was brought in to help with the search and he had a quote where he remembers this search the next day being very difficult because of the weather they said he said on Saturday. Two feet of snow came into the park in on top of that he said the park was overwhelmed with the amount of people. Oh coming in they sit up staging area now had assistance coming from all over. China helps. Oh you've got a combination of bad weather moving in and probably a little bit of you know you had a lot of people coming in probably some communication issues with the different teams. It sounds like it wasn't the most orderly search the next day just because the scope got so big on top of that the National Park Service that morning got limited helicopter search going. I think they're able to make six six passes before the weather got so bad they had the land all the helicopters and they were able to fly again. Yeah you think about two feet of snow as well like a kid lying down that SUNA covering cover him up an extra foot on top and that's assuming he was able to survive the night. Yeah because you're going to have temperatures below freezing and it sounds like there's already snow on the ground so she's Yeah it's a tough situation so the search continues on foot Through the rest rest of Saturday. Obviously the search even on foot is going to be hampered due to two feet of snow coming in the search continues Sunday and Monday with no. You know updates on October tenth which is a Tuesday one of the tracking dogs showed signs of recognizing the boys sent don't but then the other dogs failed to confirm it. So maybe who knows what that one dog smelled. But it's a sign of hope that the dog picked up something something. But you'll like we said. The other dogs came in and failed to confirm that today helicopter crews spotted tracks which really got people excited that they were gonna find something but when they got a crew in there they realized it was tracks left by some wildlife in the park. Yeah and again. You're now what was this three days days. Yeah I mean as a large snowfall. Three days large snowfall eight year old boy with with a mental illness. I will not in the proper clothing. Yeah no training yeah. It's I'm sure. The searchers were just you know they hope like you see a tracks and you're like oh my gosh like what if it's kind of like that little bear boy that survived for three days with no clothes on uh-huh and he said he was with a bear knows what happened. That was basically like a miracle. He'll never know what happened with them. But it's like I'm sure these people are doing everything they can and just putting everything on the line. The search lasted for about a week. They never found a single sign of what happened to him. Worry Wentz they didn't. They didn't find any tracks. They didn't find any clothing a lot of times. In these cases you'll see people suffering from hypothermia. They'll start taking articles of clothing off. They didn't find any sign of that. They didn't find any sign of animal predation. Lyle Ahrens the local news reporter from the area area stated that at the peak of the search they probably had about one hundred seventy four researchers up there from all different types of search and rescue agencies and they included units from neighboring counties helicopters search dogs. And you know nothing. And it's it's kind of a theme every one of these cases we do you just kinda vanish off the face of the earth. The official search and rescue went on for about a week. So I'm assuming it ended it probably around October thirteenth breath that timeframe of two thousand six after the the official search ended there was intermittent searching after that first week but a lot of the heavy snowfalls a hindered that a bit interesting they they did bring a lot of technical climbing cruise in and they were descending seven hundred two thousand feet down even though i. It'd be highly unlikely that Sammy me would have been able to navigate that kind of steep distance down. Sure I'm sure they are frustrated. I mean at that point like you're grasping at straws and you're like you know what let's just try everything just to bring some closure to this family. That's going through this terrible incident. Let's try and find it and let's go look in the craziest spots because you never know so. It's a bizarre case. And the the search and rescue operation while it kind of started off slow really ramped up to a big career. People people and an interesting kind of sidebar to this is a lot of the interviews and research that we did kind out of some of the people kind of appear to be frustrated with the National Park service at this time because now this has come up in other cases is the lack of of recordkeeping missing people so yeah. We've talked about this. Several times in how records are dislike destroyed or lost in like a move or something like that on on open cases. And there's a lot of institutional knowledge so you you might have some might have a searcher in the park that works for the park service in Crater Lake and they work there for thirty years. They've got a lot of great knowledge. Built up of the go. The comings and goings of the park but then they retire. And all that knowledge disappears. Yeah there's no effective brain dump to transfer the information. Yeah and Tim Adenjer. A quote was quoted in one of the articles I read. He said it appears that the National Park is within a says. It appears that National Park is within a county. It really is. It's own sovereign place. And so we received a phone call that there was a missing child. And we're very anxious essense searchers. We're waiting the sun. Investigators in the the park often used their own staff initially. There's sometimes an island unto themselves that is somewhat exclusive jurisdiction. So kind of what he's getting at. Is that a Lotta Times in his experience. The National Park Service doesn't initially bring in a lot of outside help they try to deal with it internally. That might not always be the best route I would think if you've a missing child you bring in every able bodied person that can get out there and search well here. I'M GONNA. I'm GonNa play devil's advocate for one thing because I. It sounds like the frustrations of a man that's been affected by this search because I can imagine a. I have a a lot of kids. If one of mine in that age range it would destroy me and I feel like I know just from being a paramedic anytime had calls with little children. It's just it feels feels worse when you're dealing with a child so you've a guy who's probably got a lot of emotional pent up frustration from this case whereas if you're in the park service I wonder how many missing children calls they get a year. That are just like this in what usually ends up happening is go out with a small team right away in the air and they find them within an hour so oh so when. I looked at the timeline because I agree. It's like in hindsight it's why didn't use call everyone right away. It sounds like they responded immediately. Eighty with a sizeable team. What'd you say? It was twenty people twenty professional searchers within the first couple of hours of the reported disappearance. Yes so I mean they. They had a big group out originally and it seemed like very quickly. You know Africa couple hours. It started taking their heads. Okay this is serious and they started making bigger phone call so I WANNA give them the benefit of the doubt of without knowing how many times they get that call year. The interesting thing going back to the tim injure has. There's another quote in down farther down in this article. And so he's a former Klamath County sheriff and he was quoted. He said in the work with missing airplanes. Were always trying to look at that missing airplane list. When I was a sheriff of Klamath County I could get my hands on a list of missing people in a matter of minutes? If you have an area that you don't even know there's missing people if you have a specific jurisdictions that don't have that data it makes it really difficult going back to reinvestigate when more information comes. So I've I've this is a theme. I've read over and over in. Different cases is people do get a frustration nation with the National Park Service in in that they don't track on a national level the disappearances and and it makes it really hard to say you have several disappearances that are similar. Maybe in different parks it makes it really hard to piece things together. When you don't have the data this is a common theme? I've I've read from other investigators. I've even run into this. I've tried to file several. A freedom of information acts with various national parks. And a Lotta Times it just gets returned because they have no data yeah. I think that's a very valid alad. Legitimate Gripe and like you said we've talked about it where they have terrible recordkeeping nationally as a whole as a database. Because and that's where I would agree with his his an original statement that they kinda work like an own their own sovereign nation with data. It takes guys like David Politis to right books to start really record keeping because simply because he's interested in it. I mean you have a private citizen. That's doing it. Because he wasn't investigator investigator and he's interested in that quite honestly is probably the most complete inaccurate data set of missing persons in in our country and it took a guy with a passionate do it versus this national park system. Should be cataloging this information in recent years they since I started doing some of my freedom of information requests they do have a system now that is tracking incidents in the park. Okay it's still not a true true missing persons list but it's at least digital files verses paper in a file cabinet somewhere that gets forgotten or destroyed yes a digital tracks all the different incidents so everything from you know a dui in the park to a murder or a death from an accident. I want everyone listening into. We're not we're not disparaging the national park service or anything like that They do a lot of great work and they you know the the professionals involved in the search and rescue missions. Their number one goal is to you know they're going to be out in the woods looking for people will end in the government. I mean you're marching orders. Come down from on high. I mean everyone. Air Is doing their job to the best of their ability. And what they're supposed to be doing. This is more of I. Yeah I would. I would agree with Mike. I don't want to make it sound like we're stopping all over the guys who work the park. Even the top dog is the park. This is from on high at the government level. This is like a congressional level. WHO's the Secretary Department of the Interior type stuff like? This is where where that decision has to get made because otherwise. I'm sure you do have some park rangers. That are trying to catalog. But I mean they're gonNA we'll be doing it with whatever resources they have on their own time and a non official level. This would have to be a change at the federal level that would get handed handed down to these parks and quite obviously. I think it's a legitimate thing that should start getting tracked in addition to entering in historical data into a data sets. You can start really analyzing the data drawing conclusions are getting some basic analytics out of where these incidences are happening. You know what was the weather like what was basically what David Politis is doing pudding government resources behind it so it's not just a single guy with the passion and he's doing a great job but in reality you you need. This is a big effort to really start pulling out some training data out of the set. I think it really it. It probably really falls on the shoulders of people in Congress because I know you know the Department of Interior and the National Park Service probably not getting the funding that they need in the first place the spending it incorrectly stupid areas that are out of the Rangers. Controls are in. That's that's no slight on any of the park. Sir Sir you know any of the twenty three thousand people working for the department interior. I think this this really is a political thing and it really has to come from top down. Yeah and and actually Heidi so. We mentioned Heidi Street men she was. She's the professor at college professor at Regis University in an interview. She says she finds it unthinkable. That there is no accountability from the government when it's easy to be accountable especially in this day and age of technology so she actually after this case started a petition create essentially is national database in which all missing persons are accounted for in our national parks for us and Blm land so so there are people trying to get this done. But yeah like Joe like we were saying. I think it's gotta come down from Congress. It's yeah they gotta get the funding the do it. I mean it it would probably to really track this on a level where the data beautiful it would take a lot of work. Oh yeah it would. It wouldn't be an easy task. Ask by any means but I think it could really pour some insights so Just before I get to the official theories which are in our theories. I wanted one last quote to kind of give us this conspiracy bigfoot vibe yet we gotta look at all possibilities so les Stroud if you are familiar with him he was the guy who is on the TV show survivor man and he had a quote relating to this case in some other cases. Similar list's He said the reality is that if park authorities were open about. How many people are missing from National Parks Public Parks and wilderness areas than those of us? Who are going to shove our fear and still go out there? We go out better protected. That's what I think the authorities should do. I think they should come clean and say here's all the information. Now you know we don't know what's going on but at least you should protect yourself so that's From a guy who is You know trained survivalist. And that's a pretty cryptic kind of creepy quote in the sense that it you know. He's kind of saying they don't know what the Hell's going on out there. These people are going missing without a trace. And you know the Park Service Service the government. The everybody's Kinda. Just you know being very coy about what's going on in divulging information so they don't WanNa scare people away it's like they're not properly informing about the real dangers and I think people get complacent they think. Oh it's national park. You know. There's kids run around everywhere it's completely he's safe and quite honestly it's you know for the majority of the people that go. Yeah they go and there's no incident but it's year in the Wilderness. It's still dangerous. Yeah and I think you know Joe you and I have back country hiked and they always make you watch those those videos before you get your permit so I think the people that are you know back country hiking like you were myself or you know some of the friends we hike with. We're aware of the risks and the dangers. So yeah I think the people that are less aware you know someone like Salmon. His Dad who just drive into the park for the day. Yeah anytime I go to National Park. I researched it for months especially from back country hiking because I want to know what's the weather are like. What's the average weather for that saw? Look for several years to try to say hey are. I'M GONNA go in early October. What should I expect? What's the worst that could happen happen? What's the best that could happen? And I usually over pack food or I'll just I always have a backup for whatever I'm doing. I probably avoid. Ah Park like crater lake from October to May I mean. Yeah there's no unless you're training for some ant Arctic hike or something. It doesn't seem like like it'd be beneficial or even enjoyable to to trek through a potential. You know ten foot snow drifts. On a day that it snowed four feet so so I I'll quickly go through two of the official theories and then I'll let Joe. You can tell me what you think might have had. AH FIRST OFF REINHARDT. Who I believe is the he was the guy running the search operation? He ruled out abduction in his mind. he said he didn't rule out one hundred percent. He said it was very slim chance. That Samuel had been abducted only because traffic in the park at that time time was very light and the father only saw two cars go by in the same time. He searched and the two entrances to the park were staffed and no one and saw the boy in the car is leaving so I think it's you know unless somebody adopted him and then took him deeper in the park. I think you could probably rule abduction out. Nigeria that I think in my gut reaction initially was there was nothing like that going on. Yeah and now tim injure the investigator that was brought in. He was quoted saying while there are many theories. The strongest theory is that he was in those woods. Somehow any likely in my opinion got covered up by snow and then became victim of an animal later on. I believe that when a child goes missing. And you throw that you throw every resource you have had initially and I've seen that happen with Sammy that night so again Tim this he feels strongly about this case ace and he. He feels that the likely outcome is Sam. Got Covered by snow that night and then You know later on became a victim. Have you know an animal. So that's the the leading theory on this case. What wild theories do you? I would say eh honestly. None of them are wild. That say although this one's strange in regards to the visual and the time window in which he went missing was very small. Yeah I tend to agree with what Tim is. I think I'm Kinda on. Tim's train as far as theories aries. Go where any I think. That's where a lot of his frustrations coming from. I haven't even heard him say these things but just the way you're reading it. I'm trying to put myself. I self in his shoes yeah. He is very frustrated. He's very very frustrated. Any motions invested in this case and the way his quote. Because I'm reading the quote that you wrote down in. Its word for word how he said it's like the words he used in how he said. It is almost like like this. Kid is laying there somewhere and we couldn't find him. Yeah and it's like you know. He's probably beating himself up just like other people involved in search are for N. he's frustrated and he's just pissed off just like I think any human being would be. It's like that whole idea of like. We probably stepped over him. We probably were right by him and we just couldn't freaking find him. Yeah it's You know it's something all the searchers Go through in these cases where they don't find anything I think even in the cases where they find the remains of somebody. I think that gives the search team closure sure sure that there are least able to give the family closure like we found your loved one but in cases like this where they find nothing. It's gotTa just Nag it you like what did we we do. What could we have done different well even in the even in the cases where they find the bodies and sometimes there's way off into nowhere land it can make you breathe a Sira leaf that if you're on a search team you didn't search an area that made sense and miss him and then they died like that'd be awful if you didn't do but if a lot of the case we have were there unexplained explain it's they end up like miles from where they should be and it doesn't even make censor like a little kids bodies up ten thousand feet up a mountain? It's like they wouldn't have been able to get up there on their own. How did this this happen? Yeah there's definitely a case coming up that will will look at something like that happens. I I. I tend to agree with Tim and and you I think he likely was. You know he went into the woods being that he had You know the mental condition edition that he did and he you know ran into the woods he probably maybe he. He got injured in one of the obstacles or he fell fell into a crevasse or climbed into some kind of cave or something. Then it you know it snowed two feet. Yeah or sadly the search people were scaring him deeper into the woods like yeah intentionally the aspiration afraid of noises. You have dogs and flashlights and people calling your name. Maybe he was hiding which is just even more sad to think of. But but yeah I think I think this one is strange but it's almost strange but kind of clear cut based on all the conditions and the in the situation Shen so this happened in two thousand six. It's twenty nineteen. It's just every time we have a case like this. That's a little older. It always bugs me that they never find the remains. Yeah I know. Crater Lake is got a lot of very tricky terrain and it's very dense and you know if this is an area where people backcountry hike they might never find the remains but that always bugs me you think over ten years later that somebody he would have found something a piece of clothing and as the show goes on with all the episodes Rendu in there so many more were there never found it. Just it's like kind of that idea it's like is there just romains everywhere. All these national parks that no one's ever finding lake right. Yeah it's a little creepy but So Yeah Yeah. I tend to agree with you and Tim that you know he succumbed to the elements probably the first night. Yeah based on the weather and stuff. Yeah and I think that environment would be hard for anybody surive with those clothes on absolutely. Yeah and if you have no training I mean. He's camped a little bit but with no survival training even if you had survival training that's GonNa be a tough tough night. Yeah agreed so well once again joe they. They didn't find the the person in our episode. Nope but I think I think our theories are more clear cut than a lot lapis. Odes I think this one is is pretty explained very well by by what we think and I think that's it this one doesn't baffle me. Like the cases we do. It's more of an unfortunate story. Yeah but we definitely want to hear your theory so please share them on on facebook twitter Are Whatever social media platform. You choose to use and I'd say Whenever you're out hiking camping walking around park always remember? Leave no trace uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh

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What's the Largest Lake in the World?

BrainStuff

07:22 min | 3 months ago

What's the Largest Lake in the World?

"Today's episode is brought to you by vantage. If you need business communications US bondage, they've got unified communications, contact centers and Communication Api's little figuratively blow your mind and literally make your mind explode from sheer joy. But that's it. They're great at all those. They're not so great at explaining why we get morning breath what fracking is and making awesome short snippets of smart that satisfy the Internet and all of us for that kind of stuff the person reading this is way better. So to recap, von Edge for amazing business communications, brain stuff podcast for daily servings of smart vantage now we're talking. To brain stuff production of iheartradio. Lauren both bomb here. Siberia's Lake Cal is not your average. Lake. At forty, nine miles wide by three hundred and ninety, five miles long that seventy, nine by six, hundred and thirty, five kilometers. It's the world's largest freshwater lake and with history that dates back twenty, five, million years it's also Earth's oldest. But size and age aren't the only things that make this. Lake. Special. Lake by cow is also home to more than three thousand, seven, hundred different species, many of which are only found in the Baikal region. That's why by cows often considered the Galapagos of Russia. No in case it's bio-diversity doesn't dazzle you here's another but Julia fact. Lake by cow has its own version of the Loch ness monster. Its name translates to water dragon master and it's described as a giant sturgeon with a prominent stout, an armored plating along the back. The monsters history goes back centuries with ancient carvings depicting this terrifying creature. Interest peaked we thought. So here's a starter guide to this ancient beautiful and mysterious late, which is by the way a UNESCO World Heritage Site. Lake Baikal is located in southern Russia near the border of Mongolia, its depth of five thousand, three, hundred feet about one thousand, six, hundred meters makes it the world's deepest lake about five hundred feet or two hundred meters it's also famous for its clarity of water and ice. When the lake is frozen, you can see dozens of meters or hundreds of feet down. And as we said at the top, it's also the world's largest lake that size twelve, thousand, two, hundred, square miles, or thirty one, thousand, six, hundred square kilometers makes it comparable in volume to the entire Amazon Basin? A first scale? It reportedly takes about three hundred and thirty years for single water molecule to flow from inlet to inlet. So. How did like by cow get so massive About twenty, five, million ago lake by CAL formed through fractures and shifting within Earth's crust. It wasn't Lake Baikal as we know it. Now, though experts believe it was a series of lakes similar to the Great Lakes in the United States while scientists aren't positive how lake by CAL went for many lakes to the behemoth. It is today they do have theories. It could have been sinking earth erosion earthquakes or increased water from melting glaciers although it's likely a mix of these factors and more. That unifying change took place in the pleasing epoch about five point three to two point five million years ago. But this lake isn't finished growing. It's expanding at a rate of about point seven inches to centimeters every year at the same speed at which Africa in South America are drifting apart. At this speed, some scientists believe lake by Baikal is actually an ocean in the making. The lake boasts twenty-seven islands, the largest of which spans two, hundred, eighty square miles or seven, hundred, twenty, five square kilometers and has its own lake mountains and the population of fifteen hundred residents. The locals connected to power van underwater cable in two, thousand and five, and we're connected to the Internet shortly after. Some Call Lake by Cao, the Galapagos of Russia not only because it has an impressive array of those nearly four thousand species but also because eighty percent of those animals are found nowhere else. One reason for this unique biodiversity is the lakes. Array of hydrothermal vents which are commonly found in oceans but lake by cow is the only freshwater lake known to have them. Cold water from the lake enters cracks in the Earth's crust through these hydrothermal vents. When the water reaches magma, it heats up, then returns resurfacing with minerals and heat. These rich minerals are probably the reason some of the lakes most unusual species were able to develop including several unique fish and the nerpa seal species, which is the only exclusively freshwater seal species in the world and its evolution is mysterious and some scientists believe it arrived by a prehistoric river from the Arctic But beyond seals fish other common animals found in the forests and mountains surrounding Lake Baikal include. Elk. Reindeer links wild-boar, and of course, the lakes frequently reported water dragon master. And this ancient lake has another air of mystery about it. UFO sightings. Many locals have reported strange lights and alien spacecraft throughout the years and several Soviet era documents mention ufo instance in sightings around Earth's largest lake. However for all of its natural wonder, amazing wildlife end stranger sides for lake cows one hundred, thousand permanent residents it's simply home. Made, occupations are forestry agriculture, fisheries, hunting, and tourism though that's currently on hold due to covid nineteen. Here's hoping they opened back up soon. Stays absorbed with written by Stephanie vermillion and produced by Tyler Clang or more on this amount of other curious topics. visit how stuff works dot com brain stuff is production of iheartradio or more podcasts. My heart radio is the iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Today's episode is brought to you by Mazda back in the before times before covid. Nineteen. Mazda invited a few of US I heart podcasters out to drive their do see X. Thirty from Palm Springs to San Diego. 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Short Stuff: Disappearing Dirty Dancing Lake

Stuff You Should Know

13:18 min | 6 months ago

Short Stuff: Disappearing Dirty Dancing Lake

"Hey and welcome to the shorts Josh Chuck. Jerry's over there. This is short stuff giddy. Ah! Now I Had Time of La. Pretty. Good I can't even sing that without thinking of the Great Simpson's. Joe Yeah same here. To halftime of our life. With Dolly Parton snoopy. That's right. Yeah, so. So we're talking about dirty dancing and specifically. Mountain Lake outside of Blacksburg Virginia where that was the location of Kellerman Kelman's Lodge Mountain Mike Lodge doubled his Kellerman Yup for the eighty-seven classic film dirty dancing it did and that lake actually was a character in the film, because they practiced in a little bit of foreshadowing Johnny Castle and baby practice their dance move where he lifts her up over his head, which is basically the thing that brings the whole house down in the movie. It's like the climax of the movie. Is this dance move and they practice it in the lake. That's right. Quick shout out! Jennifer Gray. is still around in great. She was in that TV show that I've binged red oaks. That is so fantastic really that our buddy John Hodgman is and cheese. She plays the MOM. She's wonderful. That's great. I gotTA. Check that show out Patrick swayze has. Are AP. Yeah, he was Wonderful Man Hell of a dancer. Great fighter. Pretty good actor great singer. She's like the wind. I thought it was good so I get chills every time I hear it still well I say. This is short stuff, but I'll rank it is. Dancer fighter actor singer in order of his best, you know. His talents. I won't dispute that order. But. It's just a spectrum of greatness. Loved him in. He's great, so that's what I say. So the actual name that Lake like you said is mountain lake in the actual name of the resort. That's that was supposedly Kellerman resort which I think. It was supposed to be in like the POCONOS, wasn't it? Yeah, not Jinya but There's the resort is actually in reality called Mount, Lake, lodge, and the people who own Mountain Lake Lodge and the people who are investors in Mount Lake Lodge. They're not very happy about things these days because Mountain Lake keeps draining, and it keeps draining, and what was once a lodge and a resort that. That was based on fun in the Sun on this lake in Virginia is now turning to things like archery and horseback rides, and telling guests exactly why the lake is about thirty five percent of its normal capacity. Yeah, if you just google, dirty dancing, lake, today or Gazebo or boardwalk, you will see that Gazebo and doc boardwalk, or in the middle of the field. Yeah, it's really creepy. Yeah, it's very weird and we're going to tell you why right now Mountlake is one of two only two natural lakes in Virginia. Georgia has zero. They have to yeah. in the southern Appalachian Mountains and. Over the years and we're talking every few hundred years, this lake empties and backup again naturally. Yeah, which is kind of weird over the course of the six thousand years that this lake has been around which I just find that so fascinating, don't you? that a lake has only been around for six thousand years. Yeah Yeah I love that, but anyway the six thousand years. It's been around. It's actually emptied three different times chuck lake completely emptied. Yes, there's two guys that figure heavily in sort of wide. This mountain makers like it is. There's this one guy what's his name. Chester, Watts Chester skip watts riots skip is derivative of Chester obviously, so he's a geologist and he knows a lot about it. There's this other Guy John, Collie C., A. W., l. e. y. that wrote his doctoral thesis on Mountain Lake in Nineteen Ninety, nine and they have explained that mountain lake has holes. That has little holes on the bottom, a lot of them that continually drain this water out and they've done digest. I think watts to the die test and found that this water is coming out about a mile from here. And it's been doing this for six thousand years. Yeah, they literally got to the bottom of it. So That's it i. mean that's the mystery holes, but the thing is is the people over at Mountlake Lodge. WanNa know. Why is it getting worse? Like? Why would this if if these holes have been here for all six thousand years? First of all. Why didn't we start to notice until like two thousand and two and secondly wh. Why isn't it filling back up? Why is it just keep going down in down in down and so how I think was it Cowley, who explained it as a water budget? Yeah, he said. If you think of it like a bank account you got you got money. Come in, you got money coming out. You want more money coming in, so that bank account gets bigger, and it's the same with this lake. You have inflow and outflow. and. At various times throughout the history of this lake, there's been more outflow than inflow. Right and so there was a drought that actually started in the nineties that that led to this this lower inflow, and which meant that there was more outflow which explains partially, but it doesn't fully explain it. We'll get real really like reveal what's going on with this mystery after these messages who? A career in application development at ddat means owning the opportunity to impact the preparation of our nation for the future join DDAT for challenging work that advances your career apply now at Gd it dot com slash careers. Is An equal opportunity employer disability veteran. You, know just because you can boil. Water doesn't mean you should run a restaurant in the same logic goes for identity theft protection. 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There was a drought which means that there's more water going out than coming in. That's great. Because of the drought ended, but the people amount like lodge, said well, the drought ended. Everybody in this lake is still not filling up. What is the deal? They actually were so upset about this. They pay Jerry Seinfeld to come. Get on the phone and ask what the deal was about. It was a lot of money to but it got everyone's attention. So. He said there's a few reasons He said it's not just one thing. You can't say it's even these two things. It's sort of multifaceted fifty-three. It's only three, so you've got the drought which did not help. You've got when Mountain Lake. Lodge, was built a conference center above the lake, and to comply with building the saying they had to construct stormwater management basins, and they said you know what will probably happen is on enough. They said that but what they assumed I. Guess What happened was that water would still get to the lake as groundwater right. They found out that wasn't happening. It was going to a creek. Yeah, is that what you say? You call it a creek. It's a creek. Some people say Creek though right? Sure I think you know country country folk who say warsh You Walk. Trick exactly so that was kind of a big surprise that that water wasn't going where they thought it would. Because it's I, guess these things are fairly close to the lake, and since it's above it, they just assumed that trickle down, so that's a big problem right and so the geologists are saying well I guess one thing you could do is plug the holes if you want and then hopefully the rainfall will kind of raise the levels, but you wanna plug these holes one at a time and Mountain Lake Lodge too late and they plugged them all at once. The scare the bejesus out of the geologist well and the reason they did. This was because they knew that one of the other facets of why it was draining was the sediment cycle and It's just like if something get stuck in your sink drain. Drain Slower and at various times throughout the history of this lake, there might be things either stuck in or not stuck in, so just happened that after dirty dancing, there was not much stuck in, so it was draining out a lot quicker than it normally might have. Yeah, Jennifer. Gray was like. Thank God Patrick. Swayze wasn't alive to see this shameful. So. How did they plug these holes? While at first in the first, apparently, they were aware our. No, if they lost memory of it or thought it was an anomaly, thought it would just go away, but in the first half of the twentieth century at some point, the mountlake lodge used mattresses to stuff into the holes. How big are these? I tried to find it I. Don't know I'm not sure how big they are, but from what I understand. There's more there than they thought. Yeah, so one few mattresses isn't gonNA help, but also like what poor bellhop did they send down there to drag a mattress, the bottom of a lake and tried to stuff it in a whole okay. Oh, you know who did it of course. So that was it that was their first attempt. and the second attempt was much more technologically advanced stuff dirt in clay into it yet dirt. clay is that with the been tonight is yeah. It's like expanding clay that makes sense. They should have got some of that foam stuff the spray in mouse holes. They basically just sped up the yeah great stuff. Yeah, they basically just sped up the sentiment cycle, but they overdid it because this lake said nature will find a way and just started popping new holes heads crazy. This reminds me the exploding lakes episode. Way Back when. But yeah, the water level never got two full pond or for a full pool is what you can call it. Yeah like that more. Full. And they there is water there. There's more than there was in two thousand eight like. If you look at pictures from two thousand eight, that's when it was. Literally a field. there's a little bit of water, but you can't canoe or anything. You can't swim. It's kind of sad to be honest to look at it but there's something to be said for archery and horseback riding. Sure Yeah, especially orcher archery on horseback. Wow! Yeah, you get some. You can level up. Do that stuff. Yeah, they comp your room for the night. but watt said that you know what they could redirect water from another local watershed, just gravity feed it down in there. He said that would probably do it, but you gotta be really careful, because like we've seen like the domino effect when you start messing with nature like that, but he said that would probably work if they want to explore that. I don't know if they are. I know. But we'll see I. don't know the Mountain Lake Lodge. Board clearly does not bow before nature. Though it does not know well. That's it I guess we'll have to revisit this in a few years to see what happens to mountain lake. Hopefully it'll come back not just from out in lake. Lodge prefer the culture as a whole culture that loves dirty dancing and try. that means everybody that short stuff is out. Stuff you should know is production of iheartradio's. How stuff works for more podcast iheartradio visit the iheartradio APP, apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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Maintaining Your Data Lake At Scale With Spark - Episode 85

Data Engineering Podcast

50:50 min | 1 year ago

Maintaining Your Data Lake At Scale With Spark - Episode 85

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When you register for this and other events and you can go to data engineering, podcast dot com to subscribe to the show sign up for the mailing list. Read the show notes, and get in touch, and help other people find the show, please leave, Irv you on, I tunes until your friends and coworkers your host is Tobias Macy and today, I'm interviewing Michael Armbruster about delta lake and open source storage layer that brings acid transactions to Apache Spark, and big data workloads. So Michael could you start introducing yourself? Yeah. Hi. My name is Michael. I'm breast. I'm engineer data breaks. And also, the original creator of achy spark sequel, structured streaming. Now I'm the. Tech lead for the delta lake project, and d member. Hey, I got introduced to the area of data management. You know, good question but I think probably the moment when the decision was made was back when I started my first internship at Microsoft. I remember I was a college undergrad excited to have this internship, and I was given a choice between sequel server and the C sharp Runtime, and I had no idea what to pack. And I just kind of picked randomly and ever since then data management is followed me when I went to UC Berkeley, I tried to do security. I tried to operating systems but I just couldn't resist the siren song of the database. So so, so flip the coin just dictated the rest of your career. That that's funny. And so as you mentioned, now, you been involved in architect and overseeing the work data bricks delta, which has now become delta lake. So can you start by giving an overview about what it is that the project is and the motivation for creating it. Yeah. So delta lake isn't transactional, storage layer, designed integrate deeply with Apache, Spark and also take advantage of the cloud. And of course, it also works on Prem and what it does is it brings full acid semantics, which means that when you when you perform large-scale spark jobs, we're guaranteeing that. What happens happens either completely or not at all? We also guarantee if there's multiple people working at the same time that they'll be isolated from each other. Always see it, consistent view of what's happening and we do that. We'll still maintaining the scale ability knee, last city properties of these underlying systems. And as we've expanded the project. It's actually moved a lot into additional features for incrementally. Improving data quality, we first started in actually, in collaboration with this team at apple started as a conversation at a spark summit, this big conference that we have for the source of patchy spark project, when I was just hanging around in this engineer came up to me, he runs the Infosec team at apple and basically, his problem was he has network monitors all over Apple's corporate network that ingest on, basically, every single TCP connection every being connection everything that goes on in the networks. We're talking trillions of records per day in pedal, bites data, and he wanted to build a system with Apache Spark that could archive this they could use it detection response. And my response was it's going to tip over, but I think we could solve it. So, you know, we kind of collaborated and built it, and then it became a much more general tool after that. That's funny. The yet again exit until happenstance helped dictate your future workload and. Something that has ended up being something that I'm sure is providing a lot of value to people outside of both data bricks and apple. Yeah. It was it was really serendipitous. Now, I it was like customer advisory board, which normally kind of sounds like a boring thing. But now that is my favorite meeting of spark summit. 'cause you get to talk to so many interesting people in about their problems in finding those problems. I think is what really allows you to build cool software. It's easy to sort of go off into the vacuum of thinking that, you know what the best solution is for any given problem more understanding, even what the problems are that somebody might run into, but ultimately, all of that is worthless. Unless somebody actually uses it, and so being able to get that firsthand feedback of I've been trying to use this and these are the pain points. I'm running into, to help you understand where you can provide engineering that will actually end up being useful by somebody versus just wasting time on something that nobody actually cares about. That's definitely great to be able to have that feedback. Loop built into the community. Yeah. Definitely so delta lake is targeted at addressing some of the issues in data lake implementations, and some of the modern trends in terms of how data warehouses are used and data lakes and just trying to provide some level of sanity to handle as some of these workloads that have large volumes of data as you mentioned. And I'm wondering before we get too much into the delta lake implementation itself. What you have seen as being some of the common anti patterns and edge cases and difficulties are data lake space that you're working to address with delta lake. Yeah. So I think the biggest anti pattern that I've seen in the data lake space is people believing. All you need to do is collect the data and dump it into a data lake and it'll be ready for consumption by end users, whether that's machine learning reporting business intelligence or whatever. I think the, the ability to collect anything without thinking about it is really powerful in a data lake, but you have to plan to do this kind of whole cleaning staff to figure out what the date is what's wrong with it. What's missing what needs to be augmented and basically, what I've seen after that is when, when you've into that step, this kind of cleansing refining process. I've seen so many one off solutions that try to do this, in a correct way. But it turns out, it's very hard to get transactional semantics. Exactly. One stuff. Right. And so trying to do that free application, I think is just setting yourself up for failure hub, a great conversation while ago about the overall concept of data curation, and how data lakes, provide the ability to have easy way of gathering data, but that ultimately, it's not useful until you've had somebody test out what they can actually do with it. And then use that to inform ways to clean and augment and enrich the day. Data, and then ultimately landed in data warehouse, potentially and wondering what your thoughts are on the benefits in trade-offs of data lakes versus data, warehouses, and whether data warehouses in general are a necessary sort of technology and architectural paradigm in the current landscape of data capabilities is the biggest benefit of a data lake over a data warehouse is the cost the scale and the effort that it takes to ingest data, so data lakes are much cheaper. You can store huge amounts of data than without doing anything but really, I think that the, the key thing here is the effort that it takes to collect data by bringing that cost to ingest, a new data source down to almost zero you will allow people to capture everything, and you can later figure out, what's actually useful with a traditional data warehouse. You kind of always have to start by creating the table to finding it schema, and while that it's useful, and you need to do that. Eventually you don't always want that to be the first step. I think it's actually great to start with these raw data sources and then later figure out how to clean them and make them useful for insight. Because sometimes you don't realize the value of peace date out until years later when you can actually join it with some other day than actually actually get insight from it. So those, that's why I think data lake is better than a data. Warehouse today, data warehouses, have some advantages can currency in performance. But I think in a couple of years, we'll see if that is still the case. I know the recent additions to the did warehouse market that are leveraging cloud native technologies. So things like snowflake or big query have tried to address some of the trade offs of data lake versus data warehouse, by letting you land raw data and then do some of the transformations within the data warehouse at self and I'm wondering what your thoughts are in terms of, how that changes the equation, as far as what technology stack to us when gathered, I think the biggest benefit of the cloud. Is it makes it possible to do all of these things without any upfront cost. It's basically the elasticity and the fact that somebody else is, is doing that elicited for you? So you don't have to build out, data center to get started, Adriano don't have to be experienced enough to build a data center, you can kind of pay as you go, get started collecting data cleaning it using these tools on top of it. And then, you know, as you grow of the system, kind of seamlessly scale with you. And so, I think really that kind of fundamental change in the, the barrier to entry is why, why the cloud and a lot of these more modern technologies are really exciting. So for delta lake itself annot that you said that the original idea came about with this conversation with the apple engineer trying to capture all of their packet, traces in analyze them. And I'm wondering how delta lake itself has been implemented, and how the overall design has evolved. Once you began working on it and getting other customers involved in testing it, and using it for their own. Various workloads. Yes. So delta lake started as just a scalable transaction log. So it was a collection of K files out in your storage system. And then this record of meta data alongside that allowed us to build admist, but also scale ability of the entire meditate, a plane like, the, the kind of cute trick, that delta does, is the transaction, log itself is actually written away. So it can also be processed by spark, so when you have metadata that is, you know, thousands to millions of files that's actually becoming data problem in itself. And so by using spark here, we're able to very quickly build a system that had the same scale ability properties of spark, but gave us these nice acid semantics people were used to having so that was the beginning. And that was kind of the core thing we built that first, but the way it's evolved is we realized that that's only one step. And once you have this powerful underlying acid primitive you can do so many things on top. Just weren't possible before. So you can build the whole suite of DNA L operations than people expect from a traditional database, so update lead merge into you can build streaming. And then you know now as we as we continue to evolve we started to even get into the ideas of expressing quality constraints on the data as well. So it really, you know, it started with just this idea about scalable transactions, and it became an entire system for managing improving the quality of data in your daily and as far as the ideas that you had going into in the assumptions about what the needs were in the ways that delta lake would ultimately end up operating and being used wondering what your thoughts were at the outset and how those assumptions ideas have been challenged and updated as it has been used in expanded in terms of the scope and capabilities. Yeah. So I think thinking back when we were first designing delta, you know, the we looked a lot at the systems that. People are using today to solve these problems. One of them in particular, is that the high medicine where people store all the meditate today about, you know, about the data the in their data lake. And I think one of the initial assumptions I had was that if you, if you built a system that managed zone meta data in a much more scalable way that you could actually just completely dump them at store in one swoop. But, you know, I think that was missing was the fact that data discovery is actually own challenge that that needs solutions as well. So as the project, evolve we actually ended up building full support for storing pointers, to your data still in the medicine that people could discover it comment on it and other other stuff. They are actually think that, that's a place that as the project continues to grow that we're gonna see a lot more investment. It's not just about schema enforcement and expectations transactions. It's also about making the data available to people in a place where they can find it and understand it as well as you mentioned, one of the features that you ended up, adding in more recently is the idea of. Forcing these quality constraints on the data coming into the storage layer. And I know that, that is something that is often either overlooked, or undervalued when dealing with quote, unquote big data or working with data lakes. And so I'm wondering how you. Wondering how the definitions of these constraints are established and validated and just the overall workflow of building. These constraints building the validation tests, and what happens when a record comes in that doesn't fit the expectations and how you can address those out of band, so that you don't just completely either throw away the data and lose it or stop all processing and block everything else. Trying to come through as he said, exactly the word that I use, when I think about data quality within a data lake and its expectations. And that's actually the name of feature that we, we've been working on for wild that will be open sourcing, this quarter, when, when you think about next mctavish in expectation is away for a user to tell us about their domains definition of quality, so you can say things like for this table. I expect this column to the event for a car. So it needs to start with the letter and have this many numbers must be present or your. Whatever it is, for your particular domain, expectations, are similar to this concept of in variance, attritional database. But I think something that rigid just doesn't work in the big data space in variant would just reject anything that doesn't fit into the, the predicate that the user is given and networks. And we, we also support that mode as well. But I think in a big data system, if every time you see something, unexpected you stop processing and make user intervened. You're never gonna get anything done. And so what experts bring to the table is the ability to tune the severity when an expectation violated so you can fail stop like aboard any transaction that violates expectation of something very important. Or if this is a table where basically it's getting towards the end of the quality journey and you don't want to allow any bad days into it, accounting is going to read this table directly, for example, but you can also tune them down, so you can say things like I want to just alert when the number of failed expectation. Over some threshold rally wanna fail the transaction if it's above some threshold, and I think moving forward will have even more powerful functionality here where you can also Corentin the data so you can basically say, I don't want to let data that does not need my expectations. Go any further in my pipeline, but I don't wanna lose it either. So I'd like to redirected to some other table where human can come in on their own schedule figure out what's wrong with it. And remediate the situation and expectations are deeply built into the system. So we can actually kinda give you insights into this was the record that came in, you know, here's how you process it. Here's the expectation that it violated and to basically, brings debugged ability to your data pipelines, when it comes to quality and another thing that factors into the overall idea of data quality, and particularly in the long term is higher, manage, schema. Evolution particularly with these large volumes of data in the potential for diff. Different varieties, and sort of levels of consistency based on whatever the source might be. And so I'd like to get your perspective on how you approach the idea of schema evolution in a data lake context. Whether you periodically go through and reprocess all of the old records and either update column definitions or remove them or just allied. The fact that they exist within the meta data representation of them and just you overall thoughts on mantaining consistency of schema over, you know, potentially terabytes pedal, bytes of data. Yeah. So I'm not sure one right answer here. Delta, actually supports variety of different ways to think about scheme. Evolution we kind of automatic Lee supports safe scheme evolution where you can add columns with data types. Don't conflict with anything that's already there. You can also rewrite all of the data or we also support processing, but to me, just kind of when I think about this. Problem in how I manage my own internal pipelines that I run for databases managed platform. I, I like to think back to some rules that I learned when I was a Google on how they evolve schema 'cause they really think about these things, contracts between people and so I generally have a rule that wants a column has existed. You do not want to other people have consumed this data. It's often actually bad idea to rename that column or to reuse that name for something that has different semantics. It's much better to create, you know, if you find something wrong with it. Hey, this column is wrong in this weird way actually wasn't calculating what we want a better option often is to deprecate that column create a new one with clear name, and then switch people over that because if you change stuff out from under people who are basically, the end consumers of your data that can have other unexpected consequences and another problem to is the if you have Email jobs that are populating the data lake or that are working on the raw data that gets landed into. The data lake managing version up dates when they're trying to process historical records complicated issue as you said, there isn't one universal solution. But it's definitely something that bears a lot of consideration and merit's good amount of up front planning as your first implementing some of these systems so that you don't end up boxing yourself into to a sub optimal situation where you don't have any way to work your way out of it. Definitely definitely. And that's why I think we, we like out of the box support this when I consider to be the safe way of doing where you're certainly can reprocess. You certainly can add new additional information, but you generally don't want to go in change antics. I find that, that can confuse people in, you know, you don't even know who is relying on the semantics. And so the primary purpose of delta delta lake as you said, going into it was the idea of transaction -ality, Ed, managing that across these large volumes of data potentially. Multiple users. And so I'd like to get an understanding of, how you ended up implementing that and particularly when you have issues or conflicts in terms of the data ownership where delta lake is responsible for processing the data and adding transaction -ality on top of it. But you might have some other system that's either writing a new data or consuming, data that delta lake is working with or potentially even manipulating it in some way. Yes, let me start by describing transaction -ality in delta. So, basically, as I said before delta is a whole bunch of gay files stored in your storage system of choice, plus a transaction, log, and with the transaction, log has it has files in it that are, you know, each atomic units transaction and each transaction has a set of actions that are taken against the table. So inaction could be I'm going to change the scheme of this table or I'm going to add this file to this table. Remnant remove this file, from this table, and we also have some other kinds of things for upgrade ability and. For importance of transactions. Really? You can think about is relatively simple list of things that you're going to do to the table. When you get to the end of those actions, you now have the current state of the table. So we people modify adult cable by adding a new transaction to it when we have multiple readers and writers, basically only need one property from the underlying storage system. And that's mutual exclusion. So if two people try to create the same file for the same version of the table. So I'm I'm at version zero of the table and two people try to create version one, the thing that we need from the underlying stored system. Is it needs to allow one of them to succeed until the other one? No, I'm sorry. This file already exists. You cannot have two writers, both think they succeeded and then when there's a conflict like this we basically use standard optimistic in currency. So when two people are, modifying the table when you begin your transaction, you start by recording the version, but your transaction began. And then when you go to commit you see what version. Exist. And you check to see how those things that happened since you started since you're about to commit how those have changed the table. And in many cases, they haven't changed the table in any interesting way, so you can just ignore them. Go ahead and commit anyway. But in some cases, maybe you actually conflict with them, then you need to retry operation. So let me give an example here, a very common. Use case is to streams writing into the same table while they both read the schema of the table and they write files in, and that, but since they only read the scheme of the table since the scheme hasn't changing. It doesn't matter what order, they committed, you'll get the same result either way. And so we'll just automatically retry until it succeeds. So that's gonna the underlying transactional core. Now, the question is, how do you use this with your systems? And so I think answer number one here is this is why we're so excited about open sourcing delta lake because we can actually put the protocol spec out there. So anybody can implement it. I've been in talks with the presto, people over at starburst, and some others on what it would take some of the committees on patchy knife by what it would take to build delta connectors for these other open source projects were particularly excited about that. But even before that happens. You know, I think this is where delta lakes integration with patchy. Spark is, especially powerful. So I like to think of spark as the kind of skinny waste of the big data ecosystem, it has connectors to read every file format it can read, pasta knishes, Azure Avantel h fast like wherever your data is stored. Spark can read from it and right to it. And so a pretty typical pattern that I see people set up is the use spark on the periphery to read from all these sources. They capture the data in some like raw tables within their delta leg. And then they move it through the data quality using spark, eventually out to some other system, whether that's machine learning using tensor, flow, or reporting with Tableau, but really what, what they've used delta in. Spark in the middle for is taking this raw data and getting ready for consumption by downstream, consumers. And so in terms of the transaction -ality itself wondering, if there is any limit or any sorts of education that come up when you're dealing with particularly large volumes of data that you're trying to encompass within the boundaries of a single transaction such as if you have maybe a bite of data and you don't have any way to capture and process all of it in ram to be able to that, right? It all out, atomic -ly. I'm just wondering how you approach some of those edge cases or extremes within the idea of transaction -ality on these large volumes of data Yanic. So, you know, in terms of just the scale ability question about Spar about delta. I think there are some fundamental imitations in the number of tasks that sparked consensual on a single in a single stage. But even those, we've successfully scaled the single spark job. To over a pedal bike. That was like five years ago. So, I think in general, you can process tons and tons of data. Delta lake, of course, also keeps information about statistics in memory. There's nothing fundamental preventing all of that from being pipeline. But really, I think the real answer is question here is if you have a pet by data and you want to process, the whole thing, and do something, and you wanna make sure that you processed that entire pedal bite streaming can be a really powerful tool here. And I kind of often have to explain to people because when, when people hear streaming, they usually think, oh, that's a more complicated system that I need to set up in order to get real time semantics. But another really useful thing that streaming does is it can take a pet about job break it into much smaller jobs. And then execute each one of those while guaranteeing that when you get to the end of the stream you have exactly one semantics and you've processed that entire penalty. So I think there you can kinda shift. You're thinking where streaming? Actually also a tool for easing the process of dealing with such a massive amount of data and it's worth digging deeper to into the idea of streaming in the context of these data lakes, where particularly for processing large batch jobs of historical data. The original approach when Duke was fairly new, and people were still trying to figure out how to handle these types of systems was the idea of the Lambda architecture, and I've noticed that in recent years, I haven't really heard that terminology come up very often. And so, I know that with delta lake you have unified, the API as far as being able to process, these large batch jobs versus the streaming jobs into the single interface. And so I'm curious how that manifests in terms of the ways that you approach, designing and implementing these processing jobs. And also your thoughts on the necessity of the lamb darker. Texture in general, given the current capabilities of data platforms. Yeah. So why did people start with the Lambda architecture originally anything was basically because there wasn't a way to do streaming and batch on a single set of data while maintaining exactly when semantics at the time, we believe that streaming was just too costly. And so the only way to do streaming was to do this approximate processing and then later, you had to do this, like more expensive slower computation to get the correct answer. And so what delta early brings to the table with its transaction -ality. Is it allows you to do both streaming in batch with exactly wants mandates? On the same set of data and end, you know. You know, the correct answer. And so now there's no reason to have all of this complexity of maintaining two separate systems. And, you know, I think this is actually really important because I think each of these different paradigms still have utility. So, like I was saying before streaming is not about low latency. It's about incremental is Asian. It's splitting the job. But it's also about not having a schedule not having to worry about dependencies, amongst jobs, and making sure that they run at the right time worrying what happens if this job finishes late. It's about figuring out what data is new since you process last. And it also about failure management. What happens when your job crashes in the middle and you need to restart it streaming kind of takes care of all of those things automatically it allows you to focus only on the data flow problem. So about your your business logic and not the systems problems of, how do I actually run this thing, efficiently when data is continually arriving, why streaming is very powerful? But in spite of all of this. Batch jobs still happen. You may have retention requirements where the business mandates that all data over two years old is deleted. You might have GDP requirements, where some user has served with DSR, and you have thirty days to eliminate them from all of your data lake or you might have changed. Ada capture coming from an existing operational store. So you have your point of sale data that is coming in every day, super important your business. But you want to merge that into an analytical store where you can run run kind of long term longitudinal Alice's that you would never want to run on your actual operational store for performance reasons end so bringing these together into a single interface. Not requiring you to manage to completely separate pipelines. I think drastically simplifies the work of data engineers and going a little bit further afield here. Wondering what your thoughts are on system, such as pulsar where it has the ability to natively tier? The storage, or sort of age out the data that is mentioned in this sort of streaming, and queuing architecture or things like purvey go that provides stream native storage layer for workloads such as Flink, and I believe, spark, as well, and your thoughts on the capabilities and limitations of those approaches versus what you're doing with managing Parkway files in these in these cloud storage, architectures and manning, a unified interface within spark for being able to work across the stream and batch jobs. Yes, I have to be honest, and not super familiar with those two systems. But I can't talk about what we do inside of delta with respect to this. And, and basically this comes down to the same trick that we're playing before, which is leveraging underlying storage systems, and letting them do what they do best while providing nice guarantees on top. And so, you know, delta lake is fully compatible. With azure? Glacier story. S three glacier, storage, and Azure is kind of a cheaper version of the storage as well. And so I think I didn't kind of leveraging those systems is very important because you wanna keep a lot of data, but you only want to pay for what you actually need any turns out, most you don't eat fast access to on that idea of managing cost, and the access to data, particularly in historical contexts interested in the ways that you approach data version within delta lake because I know that that's something that you have also built in and is particularly useful when you're doing, these transactional, workloads or working with multiple systems that might be interacting with the data. And so, I'd like to understand how you approach, minimizing the differences in terms of the different versions of the data sets how those different versions manifest. And how the Parque file format helps in any of those efforts. Yes. So data version adult lake is implemented using NBC or multi version concurrently control, which is just a fancy way of saying that when we change something in the table, we make a new copy. There's a couple reasons for that one. It's just it's simple and it works. It's a great way to do version. But also it works really well with eventually consistent storage systems. I guess three if you never modify anything than there is no such thing as eventual consistency. Which is which is great. It's very easy to reason about the correctness. And so what we end up doing we every time we change something they can copy. And then the transaction log is the thorough Tatum source for which files are part of any version of the table. So you can basically look at the transaction. Log play up to the end to see what the table. Currently is. But you can also stop playing it somewhere in the middle to see what the table looked like at that moment. And this is a really powerful feature because it gives you snapshot isolation people who have started a job on an older version of the table. We'll just. Can you to see that version of the table? There's no inconsistencies. There's no failures because data's being deleted out from underneath you. You just continue to see a consistent snapshot of the table for the duration of your job. But it also allows you to do things like time travel. So we've been working with the outflow guys floors. Another open source project, basically, allows you to manage the entire life cycle of machine learning off from like training, and tuning parameters figure out what really is the best way to build your model. And when you combine Emma flows, tracking with adults league's version, you have a really powerful tool for experiment reproducibility. So when something when you tweet Pramod, your model, you can actually go and see the data the change, or was it the, the changes in my tuning parameters to change the efficacy of my model? And that's something I think, really just wasn't possible for another thing that I'm curious about with the decision of standardizing on parquet is guess what the primary benefits are that it provides as opposed to oversee or Avro or. I mean it's pretty obvious. What it provides an addition to Jason. But what the decision making process looked like when you were determining which technologies to standardize on, and any cases, where Parque self has actually led to a greater deal of complexity that you've had to work around. Yeah. So I really the reason here is park as not a bad choice as you pointed out, it's better than Jason. And in general, when I build systems, I believe, in building system, with few knobs as possible, and I think, what that does is it guides users, especially ones, or less experienced into making good choices. So one of my favorite stories here is we had a customer, who had a massive table. They were storing all this data and sequence files kind of a high a high format and they loaded the data into delta NA made no other changes to it, and they ran their job. And it went from taking hours to take in fifteen minutes and they were like, oh my God. Dealt is the greatest thing ever. I was like, well, really I just four. You use our gang like it does have performance features but you didn't hit any of them this time. And so. I think just by making a good choice you can build a system is much easier for people to use three three pick Parque specifically is just because it has good integration in spark, so spark has a vet, derived Parque reader that reads it directly, defectors go directly into whole stage cogen, there's just a really fast path into the spark execution engine now to be clear. The actual underlying transaction protocol that delta uses is actually agnostic to the format and it actually even already has support for any file format that, that, that spark support, so you could use it for Jason or CSV or, or see, or, or whatever it is. And in fact, we have other systems inside data brexit' use the transaction lock for that. But in general, exposing it to users, I wanna I wanna simplify things I want to guide them to making good choice. I think as we continue to expand the open source. Though. I think it's very likely that there will be large companies who already have tons of data in our see where it might make sense to actually open up this knob for advanced users diving into the open source aspect of delta lake, I'm wondering how that has impacted your overall product, roadmap, and your approach to development now that it is public as opposed to being an internal product and something that you are managing directly with customers. And now that you have a broader community of people who are using it, and potentially, contributing to it any sorts of changes that you've made to the way that the team is structured, the way that your development cycles are designed and just your overall thoughts on the benefits and trade and trade offs of providing. This is an open source project. Yeah. So that you all this is very young. We've only been doing this for a little over a month now, but I definitely tell you what we've seen so far, and really what it comes down to is. Database has a long history of success with open source. It started with patchy spark spark sequel was originally created here donated into patchy. And, and so, you know, it kind of in our DNA to do this. And so it's, it's been really exciting to see the uptake. And I think really the kind of fundamental difference here is, is now people can use they basically they can start with delta, even when they're not running in the cloud, or they're not running on on on data brick. So, you know, there's a lot of users who have HDFS clusters on who just never had the ability to get this transaction and other stuff. And I think in terms of, of changes, it, it's just more open, which is great. We can get feedback while we're in the coating process, we've already had a bunch of contributions to the open source, repository, and when I'm really excited about coming up in this next quarter is, as we release some of these API's for doing declared it management of data data quality will really get to kinda co-develop this with customers rather than having it be. With customers end. Just the greater open source community on rather than having it'd be something where we build something in secret and dump it over the wall. And then see if people like it, it can be more of a collaboration. So I think it's actually it's pretty good in the short term. It means that my team we call the stream team inside of data bricks is almost entirely in the process of open, sourcing, more and more parts of delta, like so I believe pretty strongly that API's need to be open in order for a system to be successful. And so I want to take all of the, the API's that are currently proprietary in push them into in source. So this is update lead emerge this vacuum this history. All of this needs to be pushed into open source, and that's basically, our whole roadmap for this quarter is to detangle those from our internal platform, and get them out there said, they work with, with just stock Apache Spark, and so going back to the double-leg project. So I think the last piece released the last major piece that we haven't talked about yet is the key. Capability of creating indexes across the data that you're storing, and your data lake. And so I'm wondering how that manifests, and any issues that you have encountered, as far as scale ability and mentioned inconsistency of those indexes as the volumes and varieties of data that you're working with grow. Yeah. So I didn't traditional secondary indexes would be very difficult to keep in Saint Gigi all the problems you just talked about would come up. So we have a couple of tricks that we play give you kind of similar performance indexing operate a little bit differently. So we support standard partitioning of data. We're basically say partition by date or partition by region. Some kind of relatively low carb analogy grouping of the data, and as data is inserted adults. We automatically segmented into these different partitions. So it's like a standard trick that spark in hive in these other systems have supported would delta changes here is first of all, we make the, the management of those partitions, totally scalable by taking the data. And turning it in taking the meta data turning into a data problem. So you can have a table that has millions of partitions, and delta can still handle that rather than tipping over the other tricks that we play our when you do some of these diem L, operations, for example, like delete, let's say I partitioned by date, and I wanted to lead all data that is older than a year. Well, the magic of having that partitioning there is that can be amended only operation, we can perform that simply by changing the transaction law without any doing any actual processing on so that, that that's pretty powerful and just overall in your experience of building database. Delta now delta lake and going through the process of open sourcing it and just evolving the system as a whole what have you found to be some of the most challenging or complex aspects of it. And what are some of the lessons that you've learned in the process that were particularly unexpected or valuable you has been a couple challenges? One is actually education. You know you're asking about park. Hey, and what complications led to one problem is park as almost to open in that as soon as people started using delta lake? They would also start and trying to read those Parque files without understanding the transaction log, and to a lot of people say, oh, man, you know, it's duplicating my data, not understanding that, that the NBC aspect was actually by designed to spend a bunch of time, adding kind of guardrails around the system to make it possible to use it without needing to understand everything that's going on under the covers the other aspect is just how many different workloads exist in the world, and how they exist in, you know, all different dimensions. So you know, delta is now used at dot thousands of customers. There's over a hundred thousand delta tables in existence last month. We processed over in excavate of data, but what that means is people have stressed out every different dimension of this system. And so I have seen jobs crash in ways that I never expected we've gone in fixed, those each little individuals scaling. Bottleneck. So they runs without you needing to set a lot of tuning knobs going to we talked about before. I think that's really important to building usable system is to minimize the amount of tuning that you need to do in order to be able to use it. Successfully. And so, I think that's been both very interesting. But also, challenging to, to make that possible and going back to the duplication of data that your customers have been seeing and issues and terms of cost control. I'm wondering what's some strategies are that you could potentially employ, whether it's something like compaction or going back and pruning old versions of data and any cases where that might be bad idea or cases where it would be necessary. Either in terms of space savings or cost savings, particularly when using cloud resources. Yes. So delta command called factum, which basically looks at a table, and it looks at what's on the file system and what's in the transaction, log, and it does like a left anti join to basically, remove. Find everything that should be there. And then find by definition shouldn't be there and this is totally tuna ml. So when you deleted a file, from delta, we create a tombstone, the tells us when it was deleted, and by tuning that retention window you can decide how long you want to keep stale snapshots for so at one far end of the spectrum, if you vacuum retaining zero minutes as we call it that would basically just turn it into a normal K table. It would remove everything that is not part of the current snapshot. And so now it is just normal till and you could read it with other things. There's no extra storage being consumed other than transaction log, which is pretty small at the other end, we have customers who for compliance reasons want to never delete anything. And they just don't run back you and they're willing to pay the cost of keeping everything forever, because it means if they get audited, they can go back and say, here's exactly what the data looked like at that day in so delta lake is definitely a very interest. Tting system, it appears to be very well, designed and provide a lot of great value in terms of useful defaults and interesting capabilities, that will potentially obviate the need for data warehouses by adding transaction -ality to these data lake systems, but when is it the wrong choice? So delta lake is not into LT database. You should not try to use it for lots of small transactions, if you have a lot of tiny updates and you apply each of them individually it will be horribly inefficient. And so really what we're looking for is scale and throughput. That's what we've actually optimized for. So if you can take all of those updates feed them into Kafka and apply in batches, that's a great pattern. But if you try to call update every time went arrives, you're certainly going to back up the system. Similarly, I would not use this as a key value star. It's not good at doing individual point, look, but it is great doing massive table scans, and even good at locating relatively small needles in a haystack without the cost and. Actually, you having accused are holding all that information. And as you have been building any volving delta delta lake. I'm wondering what are some of the problems and opportunities that you could have addressed? But consciously decided not to work on yet so delta, at least that the current implementation. This is nothing to say about the format actually with allow, but in our implementation, we don't implement our own processing, and actually in early versions, we tried, and we learned that was a bad idea. So I'll tell you a story where in the first version when we built the merge operator. So this is where you take a set of changes updates in inserts, deletes and apply. Them as one batch into the tables for change data capture in the first version, we actually wrote our own implementation of join that we thought would be slightly more efficient hand coat it. And when we benchmark did it turns out, sparks joins with whole stage cogen are much better. Much more salable. They spilled a disc, they do all this stuff. So delta in general, is actually just a bunch of clever. Written spark sequel queries than leverage is the processing of spark, can we try not to get into that business? When we need to fix sparked, we actually go to patchy spark fix it. Instead. And so looking forward for the project. I know that you said that in the near term, you have some work to extricate some of the code from the internal repositories and bring it into the open source, repo, as far as some of these capabilities. But looking to the medium and long-term, what do you have planned for the future of delta lake? Yes. And what gets me really excited isn't the idea of having a full declarative spec for defining that graph of data pipelines that you need to run. So what I've seen as soon as we as soon as someone starts with delta starts streaming starts the other capabilities. They almost immediately. Go from one delta table in one stream to thousands of delta debacles in thousands of strings actually customers, who have that many, and then the, the orchestration management becomes very difficult and we're going to start this quarter. And I think you know, we'll continue this for the next year or so open sourcing API's that allow you to Claire. Specify the layout the quality constraints, the meta data the kind of human readable descriptions of the data at rest within your delta lake, but also the flows of how data moves in between these different systems. And I think the goal here is to really ease the burden of, of the people who have to manage these production data pipelines. So I, I like to think about the whole life cycle here, people usually just think you build a production bike line, and you're done, but really, I think a bunch of different steps. Here you start by building. It locally you write some code yet. Your ID python rates Scotla you wanna test it so that, you know that it's actually correct in that it stays correct. And then you need to deploy it, but that's actually only the beginning, then you need to worry about someone comes to you with the new requirement or you find a bug so you need to be able to start that cycle again, and then upgraded to monitor it, so that, you know that it's working, you know that you're meeting, wrestle as a union to tune it, so that you're, you're minimizing your costs and idea here is. In delta lake to give you the language for describing this whole system to make it easy to do the testing to do the deployment on and really make it make this whole system. More declare it, and are there any other aspects of delta lake or spark, or the work that you're doing data bricks or just the overall landscape of data lakes and data warehouses that we didn't cover yet. You'd like to discuss before we close out the show. I actually think I think I'm tapped out. All right. Well for anybody who wants to follow along with the work that you're doing or get in touch. I'll have you add, your preferred contact information to the show notes, and as a final question, just like to get your perspective on what you see is being the biggest gap in the tooling, or technology. That's available for data management today. Yeah. To me. The biggest gap is cobbling together all of the different solutions that you need to build something that is correct. I think sparked started this journey by unifying a bunch of API's into a simple system that you could use. But really, that didn't handle storage that didn't handle meta data and so Dell's lake which we're kind of trying to bridge that gap. And I think there's a lot of work to be done. Like I said, it's still a lot of work actually manage of production pipeline. But I think that's, that's the gap that I see, you know, I think it's something we're trying to address, all right? Well, thank you very much for taking the time today to join me and discuss the work the been doing with delta lake it's very interesting system, and I was excited when I, I saw. The announcement. So I appreciate you taking the time to discuss your experiences of working with it definitely implanting to dig a deeper, into it and keep track of it as it continues to progress. So thank you for all of that. And I hope in dry the rest of your day. Yeah. Thanks for having me.

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"Big True Crime Tale today. A serial killer double feature to men who very possibly kill separately one for sure did and then they joined forces to kill in all likelihood at least twenty five people and probably quite a few more than that in central and northern California in the early and mid nineteen hundred s Leonard Lake was a former marine obsessed with preparing it for a nuclear apocalypse taking nude photos of as many women as possible having sex with as many of those women as possible and pursuing what he called Operation Miranda a sick plan based on the novel the collector than involved kidnapping young women to imprison and trained to be his sex. Life's Lake was obsessed building a bunker who both in prison these women and also hopefully survive the apocalypse. He believe was about to happen any day so that he could then continue to sexually imprison women to be sex slaves after society collapsed. Leonard Lake was a complete and total psychopath and his murder. Buddy Charles was arguably scarier than he was. Charles ING was an immigrant from Hong Kong. Who's really good at coming up with paperwork to create new identities for himself. Good enough to join the marines less than a year after making it to the US lake he would also become obsessed with apocalyptic revivalism and he'd be arrested for trying to steal and smuggle military weapons then escape and meet up with. Lake who he'd met through another man interested in survival him and then when ing wasn't behind bars he would help lake with Operation Miranda and in all likelihood also rape and torture a lot of other people. These are two very very scary. Dudes two men trained to use military weapons weapons They had large stockpiles of. They weren't afraid to use them on anyone who got in their way anyone who tried to shut down Operation Miranda and now one of these men is dead one is behind bars in a California prison. Find out who lives by now who died. 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Once they've been caught or or they do choose to speak to their motive but obviously lie to try and make themselves look better than they are. Maybe inflict further pain on society with one of today's two serial killers. We know exactly why he did what he did. He put a very candid confession. You'll hear later Regarding his motives on tape that investigators found a confessional lines perfectly with what he confessed to other people. And what investigators he did Leonard Lake. Didn't care about the wants and desires of almost any other person on earth. He didn't care about his victims feelings. Or does it needs but their but their safety obviously he wanted to sex slave pure and simple he was you know arguably sex added to didn't have a problem finding women to sleep with but he he wanted more than that he wanted to women who sleep with him who he didn't have to pay to sleep with him who also didn't have any other expectations from him. Now he wanted a somebody have sex with him when he wanted how he wanted it and then he wanted them just to leave him. The hell alone right afterwards. Like Bob Redel the Kansas City. Butcher from a few weeks ago heavily influenced by the collector. He loved the book that the Movie Bob. Watch was based on a book about a man who kidnaps a woman makes her live as captain in the hopes that she will fall in love with him except Lake. Didn't need her to fall in love with him. He just wanted to have a woman who didn't try to escape understood. It was in her best interest to satisfy his needs. You know whatever those needs happen to be. Neal's didn't WANNA work. Work got in the way of his sexual desires. He'd rather kill people steal their money sell their belongings and do things like collector disability checks so they can continue to provide him with money after their death so he could not work and stay focused on Operation Miranda kidnapping women keeping them as sex slaves. The name Maranda coming from the collector. That's the name of the female protagonist in that novel and Movie Lake was evil. He knew he was able. He didn't care. He only cared about pursuing his desires. The cost others didn't bother him a bit and he enjoyed bringing Charles. Ing Along for the ride is bad as lake was English probably worse. Maybe being make feel better about himself. Flake was bad. At least it wasn't as bad as his Buddy Charlie. So let's get to know these two pieces shits let's find out what they did in Glean further insight into what may have made them tick and a big old time suck timeline that will cover both from the time of their birth to the death of one and the incarceration of the other trap on those boats. Soldier were marching down a time soccer time line on October twenty ninth. Nineteen forty five. San Francisco sent Francis Hospital Leonard. Thomas Lake was born to glory. Lake Age not listed any sources and twenty one year old. Us Navy sailor. Elgin Lake and Little Leonard was not born to a happy couple elgin. Gloria argued constantly. Eljay was an alcoholic who constantly got drunk still. They stayed married long enough for Leonard to have a little sister. Sylvia born in nineteen fifty and a little brother. Donald Born nineteen fifty one and everything was great after that when a couple with one child can't stand each other the best thing to do all. The time is to have more kids. Obviously that always fixes everything. I know shortly after Donald was born. Elgin bounced he left his wife and kids to Seattle nineteen fifty one to start a new life and not pay child support so he was an awesome dude. Leonard clearly had great role model for biological father's crazy. Turn OUT THE WAY. Did abandon with three small children. Gloria barely managed to scrape by the next several months living in some cheap public housing constantly. Worried about how she was going to survive and she reached out to elgin to repair the marriage the agree to have her and two of the three kids come up and live with him in Seattle. Not all the kids. Two thirds of them. You continue to make awesome decisions. Leonard had started kindergarten and glory decided. She didn't want to interrupt the beginning of his education. Which is stupid. Seriously Fucking Guard. No parent should ever worry about uprooting. Their kids social life when the kid is in kindergarten because fucking to three different grade schools in two different states between kindergarten and third grade. No parties ever felt sad that I didn't get to remain close with kindergarten buddies mild coloring buddies mile kindergarten friends. Because I don't I don't remember them. I may have been friends with a kid named Steve. Not even a hundred percent for sure on that maybe we may have I Dunno rittner bikes or something. Glory decided to leave her. I on in San Francisco to stay with her parents while she and her you know in his two siblings or other two kids headed North Q. Future abandonment issues according to her vague recollection of the event years later. Gloria had asked Leonard if you wanted to go with her to Seattle and he said he didn't also stupid you know give kindergarteners choices like that because a little brains aren't ready to make them you. Don't ask them if they want to stay or if they want to go you just tell them great news. We're going to Seattle see Daddy. Hey then odds. Are they excited? 'cause you're excited location. Easy to trick brain's already developed at the train station. Letter changes his mind cause he's located he does now shit works. He realizes what's happening and tearfully begs not to be left behind and it was too late. Gloria had reserves face only for herself and Sylvia planning to carry the infant Donald in her arms. If only she could have rescheduled if that was possible. Now she doesn't Leonard. Please hysterically sobbing and screaming clinging to his mom's skirt she leaves anyway. He stays behind with his grandparents. Many things permanently emotionally scarred Leonard but it did Leonard would never again live with either of his parents even though his mother and siblings would return to San Francisco within the year and Leonard would never fully forgive his mom for being abandoned for the next several years. Gloria and Leonard. Little brothers and sisters struggle and live in poverty while Leonard continues to live in the more stable home with his grandparents. How strange to be separated like that from your siblings and mother maybe even more strange because they live in the same city would be so easy to live with them. But you don't all. His siblings struggled sometimes know with not getting enough to eat. Sometimes wearing thrift store closed Sharon room. Leonard has his own room. Plenty of food. New Fashionable closys living with grandma mom and Grandad in the Middle Class Glen Park neighborhood of San Francisco. And while I would think. This arrangement would tend to create resentment of Leonard from his brother and sister. You know living with less than he had. It actually went the opposite way in the situation and Leonard would end up looking down on his other siblings for for being poor. Look down at his mom for being poor in June nineteen fifty-six Gloria remarries and ten year. Old Leonard. Now has a Stepdad kind of Neverland. This guy's home. His grandparents were in charge of him so he never really developed a relationship with the guy who's never named any the source sources only given the briefest of mentions in his biography. His Mom and new guy You know went to have two children together. Two Girls Janet and Patty. Now Leonard has two half sisters Only one of which you'll have a real relationship with while Leonard's four siblings three sisters and brother Donnie struggle in poverty he goes to summer camps full of mountain hikes. Take Swim lessons and lives a nice middle class life. Nineteen sixty when Leonard is. Fourteen is younger brother. Donny is nine. Donnie struck by train suffers a massive head injury. The leaves him with permanent brain damage. And Leonard will never forgive him for it seriously. His little brother suffers a massive head wound and letters. Emotional reaction is fucked on e. Which trained would've just killed that kid? Mommy always loved him more than me for Leonard already wasn't close with. Donny despises his brother for having a disability for the rest of his life according to half sister Janet Leonard just had no use for incompetent people. He looked down on anyone who collected welfare. People like his mom. Anyone who he felt wasn't contributing to society enough talked often about how people who just took from. The system should be punished as Janet would later recall. Leonard once said that if he could poison the water supply of everyone on welfare he would gladly do so and based on what he do later in life. I don't think he was talking. Shit here. Lake regarded Danica as a welfare cheater because he collected social security disability payments. Leonard allegedly said of his brother. He's a Leech. Be Better off dead. Strange statements from a guy who would later kill and steal instead of having to work. Leonard's cousin Chester nine years younger than Leonard would also later recall Leonard Despising Donnie. As a you know would many other people. When news of Leonard Murders broke years? Later gesture would also later recall some animal cruelty Lennon's childhood. Something seems to come up. Quite a bit and serial killer biographies. He said he'd come visit Leonard when he was eight. Leonard Leonard were towards the end of highschool and he remembered Leonard having a chemistry lab where he would use acid to dissolve various materials. Gesture remember being fascinated with the hordes of mice Leonard collected. He said Leonard just had a few initially but they kept. Just you know reproducing as mice do over and over again and he ended up with too many to count hit a little world of mice. He was there God. Initially he was a good guy. Leonard built a little city for I. My children home-ice world mouse world full of tunnels castles. Mazes even a little train for them to ride on to most of his room sounds pretty cool actually and eventually he no longer wanted to live in a room full of mice the mouse God Gregory and he decided to smart and destroy his furry little children use the acid from his chemistry set to completely dissolve their dead bodies. He would use the acid. Burn them alive. And unlike a fair amount of kids who engage in animal cruelty and then almost immediately regretted and feel horrible burning up. Those mice didn't bother Leonard. One bit the most disturbing thing I came across regarding Lennon's childhood or rumors that either Leonard's mom or his grandmom encouraged him to take nude photos of his little sisters when they were growing up. No Age comes out. This is mentioned in several articles in at least one book supposedly this was done under the guise of teaching letter to not feel shame regarding the the nude human body and as crazy as that sounds. I believe it. I guess he grew up to become obsessed with taking nude pictures of women like super obsess. You'RE GONNA find out and he take nude. Pics of grown women and young girls like when he was growing up and this introduction and nude photography what happened in the late fifties early sixties in San Francisco win and wear social norms. We're a lot more counter culture than they were in virtually every place in the nation. If this rumor is true then another rumor associated with these pictures may also be true. That Leonard later used these pictures as blackmail against his younger siblings. Two cores sexual favors out of them and While Lake never admitted to this and neither did any family member it would not surprise me one bit if this were true sex. A much younger first cousin did get brought up at the murder trial of his murder partner. Charles ing after his death she admitted to having sex with him on the Witness stand and letting him take nude photos of her first cousin. Is the sister with getting close childhood. Starting to feel like a Steph Cox curvy routine now if your Mama had five kids in only abandoned you and you dissolve hundreds of miles in acid and took nude pigs. Your sisters and Miami blackmail. Your sisters for sex definitely took new picks. Your cousin who had sex with be killer. Now let's take a break from exploring the childhood on soon to be horrific piece of shit and travel across the Pacific dig into the origin of his future merger partner Charles. Being born almost fifteen years after Leonard in nineteen sixty the same year lakes. Little brother Donnie got struck by train semi twenty-fourth Nineteen Sixty Christmas Eve. Charles Cheetah King is born and at the moment of his birth devil himself gets the chills and things. Well fuck thank just get scared. How I'm the devil. What the Hell is that about those goosebumps? Charles is the third child and first son born in British Hong Kong hard-working Japanese Immigration Camera Salesman Kenneth Inning and his wife or ping troves will be the younger brother of oldest daughter. Alice and Middle Child. Betty Kenneth came from nothing and fled Japan after it was ravaged in world war. Two going from selling to American. Gi's on the streets to get in sales job for LEICA. A German camera company. You travel for work. Provide for his wife three kids his mom his wife's mom into aunts. They all live together. An apartment as children grew Kenneth Work even harder to produce respectable. Living Conditions for his family even ended up buying a car which was true. Luxury among Hong Kong residents. That time bought a piano so his kids can take lessons. The angel like to like the Hong Kong Jefferson's off Outings in the cars picnics. Good food became an important part of the family. Retained early in his life Charles Discovered Martial Arts Guru movie star Bruce Lee and he tried to copy. The actress moves for the next few decades. Become a skilled martial artist when his parents wouldn't allow them to have real martial arts weapons such as non chuckle. None Chocolate Sticks Aka nunchucks young. Charlie made his own. He packed tightly. Twisted paper into a pair of cardboard tubes from paper towels connected them with twine to make as little kid nunchucks to hardness mall fist. He failed a class sack. Saying attached to a wall repeatedly punched it with all the strength. You could muster cute if I didn't know how murders and sadistic this dude would later become from an early age. You wanted to dish out some pain. Charles Older Sister Betty would later. Recalled memories of being as it to her brother Or Ing Life Homeless Refrigerator. Saint Charles would always prepare snacks for me to come home to after school. Many hot and humid ninety slept in the top level of the bunk bed and I blow. He would fan me to sleep before himself. It's that's nice the soft giggles you remember. Charlie's petted chicken saying he always looked after his very well. Always feeding it with goodies cheddar cheese so I guess he had some good in him at some point Actually he always would have. And that's one of the scariest aspects of human monsters. They can be so horrific to one person or two most people but then be so kind to other people. Either be so much easier to spot just to deal with psychologically if they were just full evil can it's worked extra hard to give his children opportunities. He never had. He was able to get all three kids into private schools. He expected all three kids to honor his sacrifices by getting good grades Alison. Betty did live up to his expectations. Charlie did not when Charles brought home bad report cards. Kenneth punished him severely using a cane to beat him. Obviously this would be viewed as blatant child abuse today on Hong Kong sixties. A cain weapon was still someone within the range of normal parental punishment kind of after some found guilty murders years later. Kenneth would admit to think India. You'd take thanks to Charles. He said he would actually tie him down for the beats so he couldn't escape as punishment said he'd beat him so severely that his wife pain would beg for him to stop but he wouldn't stop because he was so angry that his son continually disappointed. Him So maybe Dad was pretty Abusive Actually Young. Charles reacted punishment by withdrawing. He interacted with few people mainly his sister. Betty Cousin Benny Chong with with the people he would interact with other traumatic events may have wounded him even more deeply than the cane. Beatings his mom. Paying later recalled to such incidents she said Charlie love pets used to have chicken which he raised from very small to over a pound. My mother thought the chicken was very smelly. She suggested to kill it. And when he's pet chicken was killed and wound up in a cooking. Pot Pretty fucked up. Charles burst into tears and retreated to his bedroom brokenhearted wiping also said and then later on at turtle and he would not let us lock it up so the turtle was all over the place in the house everyday he would buy fish to feed the turtle then wiping said that thing smelled said it was She was very smelly so we wanted to bring it to a pond very far away where Charlie could release it himself and the loss and he has to do that to get rid of it so the loss of his second pet again really. You know stresses out young Charles Lease it. It needs a turtle but someone else may have though you probably knew that nine hundred sixty s Hong Kong turtles are getting eaten. Fucking left right. Good old turtle jelly powder turtle shells and bellies boiled for twelve hours mixed with herbs and lotions served up as a type of jelly soup still popular then. There was a time when we brought home a stray dog and his parents made get rid of the duck and they didn't eat the dog either but again someone else may have eaten it. I'm not even joking. Eating dogs is banned in Hong Kong in nineteen fifty but older generations. Living there still the occasional dog in the sixties so there is a chance all three of his pets were Eden which I do have to admit is extremely unfortunate and now Charles enjoying life starting to feel like Steph Steph curry joke if your parents killed an eight one your pets and may you get rid of two other pets that also may have. You might be cured. Charles face live without the companionship. Any pets with few friends. He spent hours in his room alone reading early on. It also became apparent. That Charles was nearsighted. Which acquired him to wear a strong corrective eyeglasses which had not held them. Get more friends. Another thing that made of Have made it difficult for Charles to make friends with the fact that he was violent. Sticky fingered psychopath a young age in an article for. Penthouse magazine journalist. Rick Mafina revealed that brings family sought psychiatric treatment for Charles by the time. He was ten after he stole a photograph Friends Home Athena founded the young Charles like to dish out beatings as well seek out Western children and parks to assault them. He'd Hurl Molotov cocktails from rooftops. He tried to set the buildings on. He was arrested for trying to start a fire at school. He got in trouble for writing an obscene letter to a teacher. But a bunch of Deviant Sexual Shit. He wanted to do to her and then when he lit a classroom on fire by mixing chemicals he was expelled at the age of fifteen. If you wrote a note to your teacher about how you wanted to fuck her every which way but Sunday and beat up kids who look different than you said a variety of fires in your neighborhood and got kicked out of school for setting your classroom on fire. You might be a killer ings uncle. Rufus has dad's brother had become a teacher in Preston England on the Western northern north of Liverpool and Charles Sister. Betty moved in with him while attending an English school and then in nineteen hundred six Kenniston six year old Charles to England as well to study it high Bentham Grammar School during the week trials to live in a dorm on the weekend. He'd live with his uncle and after a few months Charles wanted to come home. Said his uncle want him and he was right. Uncle Rufus wanted him out of his house. Why probably because he's still psychopath stealing shit causing problems? He still forty pounds from a classmate as an act of revenge for ignoring Charles all paying more attention to a different pal and a bunch of other petty crimes and probably a bunch of stuff that he was never caught for That his young son Charley would receive an education. Kenneth Inc pushed him to get his heikal diploma equivalent which he did in Hong Kong in nineteen seventy eight when he was eighteen. Now jump back to nineteen sixty three fifteen years back and cover you know. Charlie's future murder mentor. Leonard Lake graduating highschool slowly steadily becoming more and more of a piece of shit. And then we'll jump back to Charlie nineteen sixty three while in high school. Leonard read the collector by John. Fowles John Fowles would actually testify about the book. Charles Things Charlie ings. Excuse me murder trial. Many years later we talked at length a few weeks ago about the nineteen sixty five movie of the same name based on this book the Kansas City serial killer Bobadilla bite. The Kansas City butcher became obsessed with quick refresher now. The book came out in Nineteen Sixty. Three and Leonard. Read it when he was seventeen or eighteen. The plot follows a lonely psychotic young men. Frederick Clegg who kidnaps a woman named Randa Young Female Art Student? He's attracted to in. London holds her captive in the cellar of his row. Farmhouse Frederick Maranda capture for over a month thinking. She'll eventually fall in love with him. Want to please him instead. She gets sick and dies and he buries her in the garden and the book ends with him preparing to kidnap another girl hoping that she will want to please him just like Barbarella got really turned on by the thought of holding an attractive young woman hostage for long period of time. So did Leonard started to masturbate to fantasies of a young woman. You trapped in the cell. The woman who would fulfil any sexual desire of his own available for sexual gratification. Anytime he wanted her a woman completely under his control and years later he will devote his life to what he calls operation. Miranda he in the spring sixty three seventeen year old Leonard graduates from High School and then in January twenty or on January twenty seventh nineteen sixty four three months after turning eighteen. He listened the Marine Corps. And He'd have to quit the military life he loves it. He learns how to use a chemicals combat. How to conduct guerrilla warfare how to use explosives ring core training gives the opportunity to drive large and small vehicles provides it with the instructions on how to expertly read maps field survival techniques lodge themselves in his memory for future use when he will define himself as a survivalist. He learns a lot of military jargon and in the future. He'll refer to any project as an operation or OPS projects. I killing people. Raping people ops not being evil. Just it's not Gonna. It's not gonna a little here and there. He loves wearing camouflage he'll wear it often for the rest of his life. After graduating from basic training he injuries completes a specialized classes becomes radar. Ignition the core transfers him to Camp Lejeune North Carolina where he takes advanced courses in aircraft. Radar work And I do know North Carolina Resin by the way that is also pronounced camp loon. There's a whole fucking debate. I learned about watching a local news. Youtube video on weekend passes and during leaves of absences or leaves of absence gives me lake off visits relatives at the home of an uncle who lives in South Carolina and at one of these gatherings in April nineteen sixty. Five Lake is pleasantly surprised when another guests shows up. Karen Leigh Miners men. Eighteen years old daughter of his uncle's friend. She traveled from Delaware where she was going to college. Which was majoring in math. Homesickness motivated her decision to spend spring break with their parents wall home. She makes One of the worst decisions of her life and she meets Leonard Lake as soon as they meet both Karen. Leonard feel a certain attraction to one another before he returns to his marine marine-based greed correspond by mail. Lake loved to write letters. Holy Shit to this dude. Love letter like to Diary Entry. Mosey like new picks but he also liked to write letters and right into diary and because of that. We know way more about him than we know about a lot of serial killers Leonard and Karen Exchange many affectionate letters during the following months until President Lyndon Jumbo Johnson. A former early subject decided to send more Marines to Vietnam Lake. One of those Marines Leonard Lake arrived in Southeast Asia. Not long before Christmas. Nineteen sixty five spent most of the following year quote in country then in late nineteen sixty six was reassigned to duty in California at the Point Mugu Naval Air Station base. Just south of oxnard north of Malibu beautiful area. I got us at Gordon's driven by this Naval Air Station because not base technically naval air station. Lots of Gorgeous California girls too but lake didn't care wanted to grow back. East nineteen sixty eight. Karen confided in Lake that she was lonely she wrote. She didn't feel very worldly at the age of twenty and that she hoped to find quote someone to direct her and then she thought Leonard my quote fill the bill and let responded by furiously beating off so many times any Robak. Somebody did effective. Fuck fucking Bro can do can do. Karen wanted to show her the ways of the world and that fed into his operation. Miranda type fantasies March nineteen. Sixty-nine Lake used his leave to seal the deal with Karen Flying Delaware directing her and how to do a variety shit. This is how this fits in that. Whole. This is how it goes this way. This way. You put your mouth nice down here you your hands in that corner and face the window than I stand in front of you do jumping jacks way. Stick your tongue out that kind of stuff. Not sure exactly what they did. Lake Propose Marriage Karen accepted. She accompanied him back to California before the month was over they were married. Leonard was twenty five. She was twenty for the first few months. Things a great then she got weird. Pattern will be repeated in a lot of lakes. Future Relationships Lake started joke. His Fellow Marines about selling Karen's body to them. After a few months marriage she tried to laugh it off at first then. She got the feeling that he was He was serious because the it was serious like constantly wanted her to wear a more revealing clothing. Pressuring her to try Kinky and kinky stuff and baddy started becoming more domineering treat her like a partner but an object possession luckily for care a little over a year into marriage late left volunteered midway through nineteen seventy for a second tour duty in Vietnam and Carrie went to live with his grandparents in the green. Hello Vietnam later would later say he really enjoyed the experience. He also may have lied his ass off about his Vietnam experience. He'd boast of killing a lot of people when he got back and said that the toughest thing he had to do over there was zip. All the bodybags all the people killed according to his records. He didn't see any action like absolutely none like not one firefight nothing. He served as radar technician stationed in denying where he repaired radar. Machinery and was never evolved any battles. He also lost his shit be enough literally and figuratively becoming convinced that his wife who's lived with his grandparents again was cheating on him all the time. You got so worked up thinking about it. He saw military mental health expert. Who diagnosed a serious condition of impending schizophrenia along with hysterical neurosis and recommended that Lake returned home to undergo to undergo psychiatric treatment in a hospital and he was shipped back to California. At the end of nineteen seventy a psychiatric evaluation resulted in lake being declared a danger to himself and to others nailed it. He spent the better part of two months in the hospital psychiatric ward and it's too couldn't have spent the rest of his fucking life there. Karen would later recall a bizarre incident during lake psychiatric confinement. She said that Lake invaded a storage area. One night to steal government property failed to find the object of a search which sent him into a deep depression and he he blamed He blamed his failure on an attack of diarrhea. I told you lost his shit as well. As referring to return to his bed began eating all the chop that he could find because he thought that chocolate cause constipation and if he became constipated enough he could return to storage area and carry out the original mission without shit himself again and the doctors when they found out about this. They were concerned. Perform further psychiatric examinations recommended. That Leonard Lake be discharged from the ring core for medical reasons which he was in. January nineteen seventy-one Canal. Jump ahead eight years. Let's reconnect with Charlie ing who has just graduated high school. I back in Hong Kong and continue with his life until he is also done with the Marine Corps and then from that point of won't be much further along until their timelines are intertwined nineteen seventy-nine Charlie's parents consulted his aunt. Alice who had moved to San Leandro on the east side of the San Francisco Bay. She agreed to let ing live with her and attend. Notre Dame college small parochial school in the Bay side with a student Visa Charlie arrived in the US and early Nineteen seventy-nine on taught him how to drive that summer England his car Jesse would use very long erect at three times a week. He started taking the bus. And when school started Notre Dame. He moved into dorm room last about a month before dropping out so interesting. Start to his Us experienced in October of Nineteen seventy-nine without informing any of his relatives. He marches into a US Marine Corps recruiting station two months before his nineteenth birthday. And he enlists wasn't supposed to do that wasn't a citizen but he was somehow able to claim he was from Bloomington. Indiana in would later claimed that. The recruiting sergeant helped him fake documents needed to prove citizenship. Not sure if that was true Charlie enjoyed his experience enjoyed boot. Camp passed with flying colors advanced infantry training at Camp Pendleton north. San Diego taught him how to proficiently. Use a variety of guns. The whole process ignited an interest in the Ability survived nearly any challenger hardship like Lakewood. Do after he left the marines. Charlie began to read publications on the subject of survival. Ism and to seek out other men with the same interests a path that would later lead him to Leonard Lake. A fellow Marine Ray Guzman recalled recalled. Ing was a Loner Camp Pendleton. Who often kept himself making few friends during his six months there. He also recalled the Charlie like to practice martial arts then he would show off by asking someone to hold a pencil effaced level and then he would kick the pencil from the person's grasp upon completion of training at the sprawling base in southern California corporal and was assigned to the First Battalion Third Marine Regiment Weapons Company at the Marine Corps Air Station Canea Connie Connie. Oh Hey Bay Hawaii that stricken county. Oh Hey Kyohei can yo. Hey Bay Hawaii located on Mugabe peninsula. The base was the home of five thousand Marines. Received Training has an egg gunner. He helped to lead governor and the team operation of antitank of an antitank. Missile device intensive practice sessions designed to prepare the team for combat involved carrying the munition helping to set up the weapon assuring. The lead Garner say during his process of zeroing in on target according to Hugh daughtry Charlie's team leader. He did great. David Burns a sergeant during ings. Tour of duty in Hawaii saw him almost daily rated as outstanding weapons handler. Who was a marine of quote? The Best Order Hugh also remembered him to be a quiet loner. Who sometimes practice martial arts in the barracks? Doctors said I never saw him drink. Use Drugs Chase women. He was usually alone even when I bumped into him on. Leave the quiet loner. GotTa keep your eye on. The quiet loner wait a minute. I'm actually often the quiet loner. I'm not doing this shit so forget about it. I don't worry. Don't worry about oil. Do between in January nineteen seventy-one after Leonard Lake is discharged from a second tour of duty in Vietnam for psychiatric reasons by the end of this. Little stretch will be pretty close to joining. These guys. January seventy-one Leonard Lake is out of the facility. He's no longer. Eating tons of chocolate is brought up so he can steal stuff and he's back with his wife. Karen he's the most stable he'll ever be again within a few days of getting home late in his wife. Karen look for a place to settle and by home in San Jose as a lower tip of San Francisco Bay back when young people who didn't have wealthy parents who Weren't you know. Ipo millionaires could buy homes and Silicon Valley according to Karen. The first few weeks fairly normal and both she and Leonard enrolled at West Valley Junior College to prepare for the future lake. Look for a job and found a bunch of temporary ones for while he drove a truck for Veterans Organization. He worked as a laborer for a bit. Couldn't find anything that paid much more than minimum wage in the couple had money problems and then we continue to have money problems after this Mostly because he didn't like to work he didn't he didn't he didn't enjoy regular job. He felt today Gel with him so he came up with a brilliant solution to avoid having to work. He just thought why CAN'T CARE. Karen you know. His new wife dance at a local. Tapas bar boom problem solved. Karen made great money to them. Live happily ever after when in doubt. Take those dance always works. You can't lose do that. An unreality Karen I was offended rejected. The idea but lake was pushy persuasive soon. She reluctantly auditioned was accepted. And then she was working forty five to fifty hours a week. Dance for dollars. While she worked learned stayed at home and relaxed fucking one. You figured it out leisurely. And he started growing organic garden and you know and fooling around his wife. He's fine. He's fucking champion right. I mean really. He also became a super controlling again began to administer what he called control. Beatings of his wife. You would first-strike her lightly to the face with his open. Hand and later uses fist. He asked her if she liked it. Then have sex. The beatings were his idea. Four play a Karen was not into them like also took all the money and made she worked. He controlled the finances. They started taking a lot of nude pics. Karen Dude love a new pick. He filled an album with revealing photos of his wife. This is just the beginning. This is the beginning of Adult Lakes nude photo taken your get so sick of hearing about all the Pixie takes pretty lake also star suggesting they meet another couple swap partners Leonard He L. Starts Getting Paranoid gave the phone company fake name so they. They couldn't look him up. He said it would help them. screen out telemarketers can also said that. Leonard insisted around this time that she read the collector the only book he would ever pressure her to read. He told her it was special. It was different than any other book. psychopath now long. After Lake and made an album of nude photos of her Karen found other husband had been using his free time to take pictures of a lot of other women or she worked at the Strip club he was a home banging random ladies and take a new picks so basically married life is going great for Karen and then November ten months after he'd been discharged from the reins and incident. The Strip club leased to the end of Karen Lakes young marriage. Karen is being walked to her car after her shift. A Strip club Customer Leonard. Pulls up Caesar Walk with another man becomes furious assumes that she's cheating says he's GonNa throw her out of the house you know he's one of those guys only I can cheat now. He's going to throw out of the house. The place where her income pays their rent. You peels out by the time. She makes it home all ships on the she load. What's up she can fit into? Her car. Sleeps in the car that night. She goes to work the next day. Leonard Breaks Into. Her car takes most for stuff. Gets rid of it. She finds new places day for you know weeks. Leonard would routinely break into her place while she was working and do weird shit like pour acid under her clothes just to destroy her close You know random hours. Tell her what she was What you've done that day. Let her know. He knew she was wearing who she had visited. You wanted to know that he was watching her. You'd call leave threatening messages on her answering machine. After months of harassment Leonard finally moves on Karen Divorces Him and early nineteen seventy two and Karen when she would later here. What Lake did I imagine? Had to feel super thankful that Lake. Toss Shit out on the lawn. She kind of Behr easy in comparison to other women who would meet Lake in the future Leonard. Half sister later called Leonard cried when he found out that Karen had divorced him. She said it was the only time she'd ever seen him cry. And she thinks this is when his hatred of women should begin. I think it was much earlier. How is he crying? Janet to me ever did was Peter Talking to stripping and not work and never looked for job and take pictures of other women obviously with when she wasn't home greasy. Leave me get a piece of shit. He's a beach didn't seventy-one only become a bigger piece of shit as time went on after divorce lake. It's a from his place and see you know he can't pay rent 'cause he doesn't have a job isn't couch. Surfing stays with various relatives including his grandparents and then he puts out a personal ad in the Berkeley. Barb nineteen seventy two's version of match or tinder. The Bar was a big counterculture newspaper. One of the nation's first and in late nineteen two twenty eight year old. Jennifer Gordon responded to his AD. You know just like a hookup. Add by Tober. Seventy two tour Dayton Gordon later called a first. He was like someone you see in the movies. Sweet gentle carrying he seemed concerned. Like someone you really like to know. Within three months intimacy turned Jennifer's words kinky bondage and swinging eventually Lake Convinced Jennifer. Earn money for them through prostitution. She later say she agreed to do that to make him happy. Taylor Helzer from the children are Thunder Colt two weeks ago. Maybe pissed read this what he actually got her to work as expert S. escort for him less than two years back row now. I tried so hard to get any woman to work as a prosecutor I offered them fucking vision dental nothing lake also shipton and nude photos of Jennifer three albums worth a nude photos. Jennifer also helped convince a few of her girlfriends to pose for Lens Cameras. Well so he'd fill up some other books she later say. That Lake even took nude photos of her while she was asleep is just couldn't get enough. He's take nude pictures day today during the day. Take a nude pictures of friends fall asleep. Take us more picks despite Jennifer doing whatever like asked her in bed. Despite her pain the bills through prostitution he's still wasn't satisfied and then when Lake or you know our when she decided Jennifer decided to give up prostitution she said Leonard became irate. We argued a lot. The relationship started getting rocky. Jennifer realized things just weren't going to last lake started talking about snuff films. She said he confessed. He wanted to make a movie where two people were having sex and then one of them kills the other. During Climax Lake told her he thought it would be the ultimate sexual high and when she told him that wanting to do things like that can put him in prison. He told her he told her that. If he was ever arrested he would The consequences by kill himself by taking cyanide years before he would eventually be caught. He is already planning his escape after some snuff film talk Jennifer Somehow doesn't leave lake. Bad bad call always leave when your partner says it. What they really like to do in bed is killed or sexual partner so they so they can come harder. I should always be a dealbreaker the to argue and fight causing the spring a seventy-three than June the day after Jennifer is worried lake is going to kill her after he's pinned her to the floor. After an argument she finally moves out and late. Nineteen seventy-three lay continues to develop more more dark sexual fantasies most revolving around having sex slave. You'll start to think a lot about the end of the world super stable. He thinks the world is likely going to end in a nuclear holocaust and he Survive it he has to get out of the city he needs to get out of the country or he can rely on his survivalist. Training to survive he begins to dream of building a remote apocalyptic bunker some place where he can wait out the initial period of nuclear radiation by having protective gear filtered air supply tons of water lots of provisions and he starts to scope out you. California about one hundred and thirty miles north of where he lived in the city and then one day he just he just leaves. He's grabbed. What few possessions he has gets in his car drives up to the twelve thousand person. Twenty thousand people then to start a new life in the suck. I if you have an incredible memory you may remember Ukiah from the Jonestown massacre suck that we did three years ago. Back in May of two thousand seventeen can't believe it's been three years to the topic. Jim Jones had read an article about Yucai being a top ten plays to ride out a nuclear apocalypse and moved one hundred and forty. Jonestown cult followers from Indiana to the Redwood Valley just north of Ukiah in nineteen sixty five Jones would establish a socialist compound there and followers of his would stay there until nineteen seventy four leaving the area. When Guyana down in South America became the new primary compound in late nineteen seventy-three when Leonard Lake moved to the area Jones in his people temple people's Temple followers were splitting time between San Francisco. Yucai and I'm sure like new of them. I sailed this to establish the area in and around. Yucai was used to different kinds of people moving in and living in new ways by the time they got there. The following year nineteen seventy four Dharma Realm Buddhist association purchased the defunct Mendocino State Asylum for the insane and began building. The city of Ten Thousand Buddhas the largest Buddhist community in the Western Hemisphere on nearly five hundred acres of land a theistic city with housing for monks dining halls educational centers. All kinds of stuff. So you've had all kinds of different you know different kinds of people. Living in it lake found a job at a government. Funded firm that renovated low income. Housing quickly worked his way up to becoming a crew leader. Supervising a crew of other guys. He also enrolled nearby. Mendocino college taking classes in animal sciences meat. Cutting learn how to use kitchen knives and carpentry sauce how to expertly sliced bone and flesh could have helped him later when he disposed of a body convinced. College staff let him teach as an adjunct Professor Teaching Wilderness Survival class he lived You know in a in a cheap pay by the week motel before moving into what locals called the ranch talk about the ranch for a little bit and the Western rise of the Coast Range Bounds to cast shadows over you early evening. A winding road ascends just north of town towards the end of the formal former people's Temple compound a ten mile drive through lush forest leads to an unmarked road that leads to the ranch. The ranch is difficult to find and the people who lived in the hidden hills and valleys like it that way at the ranch was hard to find not not totally around it was founded in nineteen seventy a rural ecological paradise for people who wish to escape pollution noise traffic and social restrictions. You know there's a lot of nudist and swingers living there. The ranch consisted of five thousand acres approximately nine square miles originally two hundred families but parcels of the ranch varying from forty to two hundred acres of undeveloped land electric power for the scattered rustic houses cabinet mobile homes generated by solar or powered sources. Water came from wells pumped by windmills. Or up here. No for from creeks shared by all no telephone cables or other. Utilities mucked up the landscape there was a common area. Four hundred acres and include a large barn with the ranch house upon a school roads on the property were maintained labor of the residents funded by the community. The ranch land us those kind of like a compound communal living type experiment. But you get your own spot. But it's also very communal. The Ranch Land Owners Association drew bylaws prohibiting the use of Pesticides or firearms generally the people who chose to live on the ranch. Were hippies respected. Mother Earth resisted anything that might pollute land water or air. These were people who went by nicknames like a Zipper beaver morning glory. They celebrated the summer solstice by Donnie Medieval costumes dancing and singing skinny dipping in a creek. And you know what good for them if you WANNA be called Otter and living in a nudist environmentalist compound of sorts. We could feel for the right person. I'm sure it was awesome. I mean I I couldn't do it. I couldn't call people beaver and morning. Glory in Cuba straight face. I'm too much of a sarcastic castle. I just couldn't I couldn't live that life. A beaver house a window coming along looking good in that gesture hat. Medieval LEGENDS ARE BUD. You WanNa come over tonight and drink some mead. How the moon swap wives Cool Matata? My friend One person who did love the ranch was Venus Salem. A single woman in her thirties. One of those sixties flower power kids. Who wasn't ready to move on from the sixties. Venus bought a parcel on the ranch. Nineteen seventy worked to improve it while she continued to live in Yucaipa. Earning her living as an occupational therapist by Nineteen seventy-four Venus at about ran out of money. She wanted to upgrade the cabin. She built and plan orchard but she needed help and then she met Leonard. Lake some sort of Hippie festival with two probably talked about summer sources magic in Holistic Medicine. Light therapy or shit. Venus told Lake Cabin and her wishes to improve it lake new a free ride when he saw one and he offered do all the work for six months in exchange for living for free on the property and first Venus found Leonard Charming and helpful and they became romantically involved and then he showed her nude photo albums and asked her takes new picks classic lake like being lake. She didn't care for it. Fuck you bring that up by the way a bunch of nude photos previous partners. Damn Baby God you look sexy seriously. Fuck you look good. Hey we stay some pictures you naked. I mean you could be in playboy certainly have a great body is not a big deal no no last women take naked pictures like like maxine for check out this photo albums. Are these three full. Owns the my ex Jennifer? Check out this. Pick with her with dude who Who paid the FUCKER will? I watched Ohio and look at this Pick them ex wife Karen a she had just gotten home from the Strip club. Well Hey hey are you are. You've set us what I'm not supposed to look. All these photo albums of naked women are not supposed to have forty seven photo albums of fucking women. I used to screw around with naked. Okay you for socially and sexually unliberated prude. Venus in addition to show her new picks of women used today. Leonard also told Venus's mom abandoned Andy hate his brother. Donnie dining was a piece of shit who moved off their mom. You wish you could kill Downey. He tells us a lot of people's weird thing to talk about. You also told her he was excited for what he called his Maranda project but he didn't give all the details said he wanted to build some type of refuge for people driven from the cities during coming environmental collapse. The convinced her was very possible if not probable but he didn't WanNa refuge you WanNa Fuck Dungeon or he rape and torture women and make snuff films. You begin to dig a giant pit on Venus property for his Miranda project Venus later said Lake started to get mean with her a few months into the relationship started criticizing your all. The time started to alienate her from her neighbors. When she finally got up the courage to confront him over his terrible behavior he became enraged pushed her off. The ladder argument settled. Sorry what were you saying again? Venus it's hard to hear you ever since I pushed you off. The ladder of Vinas wanted him gone but he refused to leave instead. He offered to buy her interest in the property. He made her terrible offer but she took it just to get rid of him. She might have saved her own life by doing so so now. Richard owns her ranch property and he quickly became a huge headache for the rest of the ranch community. That never wanted him there. A neighbor would later recall meeting Leonard around this time and she said he creeped her out when he brought up his albums. A nude photos said like said he would like to take some nude picks her classic Lake Right. He doesn't find ways time bringing up the nude photos. And the album's hey names Leonard. Nice to meet you. I live here now. Hey you take nude photos over talker and if you're not busy I was thinking you can take off snap. Where are you? Where are you going to fuck? I thought this place was supposed to be cool. Nudist not much Debbie Downer in another instance. This same neighbor said Lake saw her ten year old daughter playing outside and hinted that he wants to take pictures of hers. Well nude pictures. I picture this dude literally asking to take nude pictures of any woman or girl. He meets just everywhere. The grocery store No I'm a pain paint cashier. Paying cash can throw in a few extra bucks. If you if you would mind just quickly get naked. Take picture you know. He's holding. Hold the door open for some senior citizens somewhere. You're welcome picks if you ever have time or you know. We're at day care plan for job as a school bus driver as long as the clock. Use The bus for grew photos. A new kids show myself out Lake sketched his neighbor Out further when he referenced Operation Miranda and spoke of a new apocalypse he also said worst case if you survive the nukes. He's not going to suffer. Because you always take the cyanide pills that he always carries around he told her I carry death in my pocket. He's fucking crazy This is the beginning of this shit basically for the rest of the story lake. We'll talk about nude photos cyanide pills in a nuclear apocalypse and operation branded. Everybody meets a guy who worked WANNA lakes cruise around this time. Remember LAKE TALKING ABOUT OPERATION. Brand as well said. He also brought his photo albums to work so he can show his co workers say he was constantly talking about sex. Of course he was shortly after. Vitas left like through a nude party. This house of the ranch food drink. No close also built his future SEX DUNGEON. He started stealing shit from work He started Ordering more construction supplies that were needed for the job and they would take home. Excess building materials used machinery from work. Like like the bulldozer. To work on his apocalyptic bunker he also local eighteen year old. Dude Bobby Barnes living a little one room cabin on the property in exchange for bobby working for him excavating you know and doing other jobs. Now digging holes and whatnot bobby would later recall. Richard talking about how much he hated. His MOM wanted to kill Donnie. And he showed. Bobby is nude photo albums and talked about cyanide. Hit all the fucking major lake points. I picture I think she was. Somebody like hey. Did I talk to you about cyanide? Yet okay hold on I volume. I'll kill myself before you know fabulous gets me hear them saying Okay Yeah Yeah Yeah. I just wanted to make sure you clear that up. You know I just I get. I get anxious if I haven't showed you knew picks Tried to take nude pictures you Talked about side. A Reference D nuclear apocalypse. Bobby later member Lake now getting along with any of his neighbors and he talked about How if any of them trespass onto his property you would not hesitate to shoot and kill them and bury them. One of the Pizzi Duck was not kidding. When he said this he was psychotic neighbor. You would do exactly this. In the future Bobby's agents girlfriend came to stay with him for several weeks. Stay stay with Bobby. And her. Nineteen year old friend Gina. Travers came along a visit numerous times and lake. Of course talk to the girls about bet you can guess it side bills pacalypse Operation Maranda. He showed him nude photo albums. Try to fuck him and try to take new pixel. He did talk GINA INTO TAKING NUDE PICKS. She later say she immediately regretted when numerous ranch residents were later interviewed about lake after his arrest and subsequent death universally talk about hating his fucking guts. These open minded people many of them nudist and swingers thought he was dirty creep an asshole. And that's saying a lot lay constantly broke the ranch bylaws. He wasn't supposed to use bulldozers excavators land. He wasn't supposed to use firearms but he shot his guns all the time anyways he concentrated creepy shit about the women and girls living. There schemed everybody out but almost no one confronted him because they truly believed he might kill them if they did and They were right. I think that in the mid late Seventies Lake Wisconsin trying to get more photos for his albums not just from women at the ranch but from other airy women and girls as well like Cindy Morgan. This spring and Nineteen seventy-nine. Seventy Nine Lake took some photos of a sixteen year old. Cindy whose mom wanted portrait's of her daughter with Sir Lancelot a goat a neighbor of lakes had the Hippie dude named otter he'd attacked a single horn to or kind of like melted goat's horns this bizarre surgeries. You can fight. You can see pictures of this thing. Online ov apparently you know he. He figured out how to turn a goat to Unicorn and everyone around you knew about it which does sound like something you know exactly like something so many auditor would do which was working on otter just is trying to turn this go into Unicorn. Sound about right they care good gutter during the photo shoot. When Cindy's mom stepped away lake asked her if she'd like to Take More Adult Photos Aka Nudie Pix. She said no then for weeks. Leonard started showing up at places around Yucai or said he would be hitting her for those picks he was fighting obsessed Vanc- she agreed later. She said she agreed to get him. Offer back ridiculous. They met in a warm afternoon. An isolated spot by the Russian River Lake shot several rolls of film. She's lucky she made it out of the forest alive Lake also had been hitting up Darlene Davis for nude photos since nineteen seventy seven when she was thirteen. Leonard befriended her parents. Nineteen seventy seven and he soon offering her rides on his three wheeled ATV and she accepted and for some reason are dumb. Fuck parents let their thirteen year. Old Daughter go for rides alone into the woods with dude. Everyone knew as a perv who is constantly showing everyone nude photos of women he'd previously slept with December of nineteen seventy nine lake invited now fifteen year old darlie sneak out of her parents house. Meet him at his cabin. She does in the thirty four year old takes virginity. Y'All so soon convinced her to of course posed nude first series of photos and he starts trying to talk to groups sex to continue to have a secret often on sexual relationship for years afterwards. Lake even gave her a necklace with check. This out cyanide capsule in it Weird case a nuke started dropping but she refused to wear it one thousand nine hundred Darlene. Parents finally woke up to what was happening with Lake and their daughter and sent Darlene to a boarding school. The two would continue in touch with leg riding her often around the time. When Lake wasn't busy fucking taking nude photos local teens he was focused on his survivalist training. Why is this been coming up to? I swear I had no idea. This was a prepar when I picked his topic lake Put an ad to meet other survivors. The back of soldier of Fortune magazine use an alias. Tom Myers to maintain anonymity and he made a twenty one year old soldier. Name Mark Novak stationed in Fort Lewis Washington a man who would soon lead him to his future. Kill Body Charles. Novak stay with me for a few days of the ranch heard all kinds of stories about what? A bad asked about his prowess with women all kinds of stuff. You saw lakes photo albums. He later characterized. Lakers this shit talker and after three days. Novak left never return but he did keep loosely in touch with lake after Novak left lake quickly back to creep in. Yucai women to fuck out tried talking to local young cute shopowner named Pamela Anderson taken nude photos with him when she wouldn't take any picks after looking at one of his albums and seeing new girls as young as ten in it. He approached her younger sister. Tracy and then tracey's boyfriend a member of the local sheriff's Posse found out about all this. It made it clear to lake that he would fuck an end him if he didn't leave everyone alone so he did he let those girls alone. So yea tracey's boyfriend world needs more men like him if only he would have ended lake. Also around this time. Lak- steals a bunch of his neighbors shit during lakes extended residency on the ranch. Other members of the community suffered mysterious of a lot of burglaries number of power tools disappeared. Chainsaws Nukaya Kaya throughout Mendocino County. Lot of rifles handguns and ammo with colon when lake was around demolition firm. You in lost several boxes of dynamite then late summer eighty lake met the love of his life at a Renaissance Fair Marin county just north of the Golden Gate Bridge Caroline Cricket Balazs perfect. I now cricket Oh man. He didn't have a boring life. That Sh- actually sexually lake met. His match. With cricket. Cricket was bisexual had no qualms about fantasies of sharing their bed with another woman using sex toys. Participating in bondage domination cricket also love posing for cameras when he took her to his house at the ranch she loved the isolation natural setting despite declaring his love for cricket he continued to write long letters to Darlene Davis at her boarding school. According to Davis years later he sent her quote tons and tons of nude photographs including a bunch of his new girlfriend cricket many of the photos were of the two of them having sex. He informed Arlene. Cricket is bisexual. Wants a female partner as well as women have three ways with. So he's hoping that Darlene cricket. Can you both be ladies the ranch? You can have to Marandus elite as a start I start. They can help find more women to take a more nude pics with and Lake Continue. Try and fuck and take photos of other women in the area as well. This is all going on. He starts to really wear welcome at the ranch around this time. Another ranch neighbor gets fed up with lake constant target practice pointing out. The stray bullet could kill someone and lake response shouted kill everyone on this ranch one by one. I could go to every house with an automatic weapon and no one would ever know and that neighbor response by shutting the fuck up not confronting lake ever again lake with a nightmare of a neighbor. A neighbor from hell shortly after this incident in storage shed and lake's property erupts into flames when afternoon? Local volunteers rush over to help put out the fire in the shed explodes. The firefighters leave for cover behind trees trying to avoid flying bullets. Shrapnel Lake almost kills some of these people because of all the ammo he had stored net shed ammo not allowed under ranch bylaws then shortly after this no no lakes employers at the Housing Rehabilitation Firm. Catch Lake finally stealing the building material and call the police. Like it's fired obviously spend several days in jail before being released on bond a lenient judge sentences him to your probation and when a committee from the ranch. Here's of his arrest. They asked late to sell his property and move out or they will have attorneys force him out within a few days he and cricket pack up and leave the Yucai chapter of lakes. Life is over everyone. The ranch breathed a huge sigh of relief and they returned to tending their Unicorn. Goats and talking about alternative energy sources and walking around nude and you know Forming and plane and drum circles whatnot amid nineteen eighty-one psychotically can cricket move to Philo California? A tiny hamlet located in the Anderson Valley situated the rolling foothills of California's Trinity Alps only about Twenty Miles West Yucai scenario. A lot of wineries and yogurt trees now used to be logging and farming town. No more than one hundred fifty citizens lived feel nine eighty-one several of them Several of them employed by a lumber company lake in cricket rent room at the no longer their feel motel the motel owner lake learned needed. Some needed someone to occupy managed to place so Leonard and cricket decided to stay. She landed a part time job at Anderson Valley Elementary School. As a teacher's aide settling into a routine at fellow Lake met Robert Glover captain of the Anderson Valley Fire Department to men hit it off. Lake becomes one of forty unpaid volunteer firemen. And the county soon after settling in lake place and ad in the Bay Guardian a San Francisco publication stop being published in two thousand fourteen. His at looked innocent enough. More than an offer of employment. For someone willing to relocate to a small rural town to help operate maintain a little motel eighteen-year-old. Connie Richards reads it. Needs A job. The attractive Young Woman Rights Greyhound Bus. One hundred twenty miles north steps off and into the welcoming embrace of Leonard and cricket. They explained that she will receive room and board in exchange for helping with motel choice. Then it didn't take long for kind to recognize what they really wanted a sex partner and of course wanted to take nude pictures of her. What she did Richard Recall that she wasn't really into all the B. M. South to cricket wanted. She said they had all kinds of restraints and masks and whips and different things. She had a one three way with the couple that had sex a few more times with cricket and she said cricket was the Kinky one while Lake was more gentle interesting After Lake in anger would be caught for rapes and murders. Many years later there would be a lot of speculation that cricket new about everything that they were up to but was a big time participant in Operation Miranda and may have participated in the sexual torture of You know various captive women. Leonard also allegedly tell Richards that he wanted to have sex with his half sister Janet Weird. He made sure to tell her that he hated brother. Donnie want him dead and that he had cyanide pills can't forget that he had to cyanide pills. He was ready to take a moment's notice. His Yasser Brags that he has thirty thousand dollars in silver buried on the property. Lake was Also continued to send picks in steamy letters to Darlene Davis that boarding school. He's consistent with craziness Denver. Thirteen nineteen ninety-one Lake cricket and Connie Richards. Drive to Morgan Hill. Were Lake in cricket. Take vows of marriage. Connie stay in. Philo lasts only three months feeling that she served no real purpose other than as a sex object. She says goodbye to Leonard Cricket. Fourteen days before Christmas heads back down to southern California. Well has on South Bay area. She also says goodbye to a short quite Asian man named Charlie who had arrived two weeks earlier. Yes Charles ING. His timeline is finally connecting to Leonard. Lakes now how well last time? We checked in with him. 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Remember that name ing met Novak in a while who military surplus store with. They bonded over talk of weapons tactics methods of staying alive in the wild. The grab some lunch together and Novak told of an interesting survivalist. It met Northern California plays called the ranch the year before in the spring of Nineteen Eighty Novak said. The man introduced himself as Tom Myers but he later learned. His real name was Leonard Lake and lake. He said maybe the Shit talker but a lot of stuff but he did know a lot about weapons and he did have a very impressive collection of nude photos. Young win an was like Oh what was that last part. You have my attention. Please please do tell me more in this initial chance meeting or after Indian Novak stay in touch for the next few months become friends. And then that's timber implant. His first known major criminal operation Gun smuggling all the weapons assigned to marine company were stored in a locker locked armory when not in use an armed guards were posted. Its entry facility. Twenty four hours a day in early. September nineteen eighty-one when Lake and cricket or GET MARRIED BACK IN CALIFORNIA ING. Drew Guard duty at the armory in Hawaii during his watch idea formed his mind. What if he could steal some of the more valuable rifles grenades handguns and other arms and sell ing talked a few a fellow marine into helping him and he threatened another fellow marine was physical violence to help him as well Excuse me and they pulled off the set to a bunch of weapons. Took the guns to a man who is going to take them to a buyer and then someone read them all out when the weapons turned up. Missing I'm guessing. The guy he threatened was probably the rat. Maybe not the best way to get someone to help you. Criminal Enterprise by threatening them several days after its EFT Naval Investigative Service Officers Arrest Charles. He's charged with conspiracy to commit larceny of military weapons theft of weapons including machine guns grenade launchers rifles and pistols and burglary to commit theft on the morning of Friday November thirteenth. Nineteen eighty-one to marine guards called chasers and military jargon delivering from the Brig where he's being held to the NIS office to be interrogated. He's question until two thirty the following morning and then no transportation is available to return him to break so the chasers escort him into squad bay while one of the men sits down allowing to move freely about the room the other chasers steps into the duty. Nco'S OFFICE TO CALL TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY FIGURE OUT. What's going to go on with the vehicle? The man closest being exhausted and drowsy. Let's his head drop for just a few moments but it's long enough to make a break for it. He escapes at an open. Back Window makes it to the house of a fellow marine who let him crash for the night. This friend gives them food water and clothing the next morning. Drive into remote area where you can camp out in the jungle in the jungle. For two days in huddles with no tent. Afraid to make a fiery soaked. He's miserable having nowhere else to turn. He makes it to a phone calls. Army Pals Sergeant Mark motherfucking. Novak stays with Novak for two days in the barracks contacts. His parents who wire him three hundred dollars use the money to buy clothing a backpack and a plane ticket to San Francisco. Then Novak gives him the name and address of Leonard Lake and fellow. Novak Call Calls Lake. Who AGREES TO HELPING OUT? Ing Leaves Show Phil Barracks before dawn on November morning eighty catches the bus to the airport hides in the airport bathroom until his flight boards. Then flies to San Francisco where he makes it to his aunt's house then he calls lake invites him out to Philo. When Charlie ing shows up feeling Lake realizes that Connie Richards had already made a decision to leave so he figures this new comer take over the chores that she'd been doing and then handing get to know each other and become fast friends. Ing LOVES THE IDEA PREPARING FOR THE END Times. He is more than willing to use military training to commit whatever crime and I mean whatever crimes are necessary to pull off Operation Miranda Ing Loves Operation Miranda ING fuels the flames lakes dark fantasies. They're two very fucked up peas in a very fucked up pot the nature of just how well these two got along together later revealed later be revealed in a variety of ways and trial testimony according to a bay area police reporter woman who worked for an escort service city stated that a man calling himself. Tom Myers so Leonard. Lake had arranged. Use Her services. Nice ninety four after pain advance. He asked of course to take new Vicks Lake then. I took her out to dinner then to a motel where she posed for him when she emerged from the bathroom. A short Asian man with a knife forced her to lie down on the bed while repeatedly stabbing that the mattress with an inches of her head woman told police. The Asian brutally raped her while Myers watched during the sexual assault Myers commented. This is something we do all the time but we usually kill the girls. We've been with by like you so we're not going to kill you. The victim later identified. Tom Myers as of course Leonard Lake and the rapist. As of course Charles now for the rest of the time to be very little back and forth between lakes life now joined voice. Joan joined forces December of eighty one shortly after arrival at Lake in cricket give up their Motel Management Job. A better opportunity comes along. A woman who lived nearby at a property called Indian Creek ranch wanted to start a youth camp so she started looking for sex fiends child. Pornographers doomsday rapists. And she's like gym that is basically who she did find she owned a secluded cluster of one storey wooden buildings including the White House trimmed in Red Detach Guest Quarters of Barn like structure uses workshop located near meandering stream three hundred yards off the highway when she learned about lakes military background. Interesting survivals them. She decided that he and his teacher's aide wife will be well qualified to manage the camp Boy was your lake ended. His arrangement at the Motel happily accepted the youth camp over the Motel. Owner was glad to see him. Go the motel owner. Would later say he'd been dealing with complaints about lake peeping on new guests. Try to take their pictures lake in his fucking photo albums God. This guy went hard on that finish One time when the motel owner dropped into check on lakes work found several hand grenades on table. Yes if they were live in. Lake said quote. Go ahead and pull dependent find out imagined. He added creepy. Laugh at the end of that. Go ahead and pull out. See How lucky you are today. You know these photos. Have I talked about side? Local man name earnings per dini and his wife helped lake in cricket and Charlie move into their new home. They quickly grew to hate Leonard. Hit that affected. A lot of people Lake Lake invited earning his wife to come over and watch them porn And then hinted about how liked takes nude pictures and his wife wants to got their fuck Gambro. You've thought you just coming over. Wash them porn. No son you came over to do. Support Lake. Earn earnings lady weren't amused. He ended up in late to a fight lay told him. I won't fight you. I'm a coward. But then he said that maybe later shoot them and Ernie talked about how he had guns to maybe later he chewed like the two never spoke again. Well done earning you out crazy. That crazy shortly after moving into their new spot. Lake cricket got kicked the Fuck Out of field oh the FBI working closely with the Mendocino County Sheriff's Office had received a tip that Charles ing fugitive wanted by the US. Marine Corps was hiding out with Lake in Hilo on April twenty nine thousand nine hundred eighty two. The task force consisted of nine F. B. I. Officers half a dozen sheriff's deputies and sheriff. Stephen Satellite deployed an unmarked cars helicopter and fixed-wing aircraft moved in on the trio. They launched the operation nine fifteen in the morning springing from the noisy choppers several vehicles very dramatic the officers surrounded the central camp area. One of them spotted Charles ING VAULTING FROM A BEDROOM WINDOW. Officers ran him down an open field. They hustle them into a helicopter for a quick flight. Kyw's county jail agents also caught Leonard. Lake out sprinted inside a House. Everyone speculated hide some evidence in sidings room. Were a pair. Rifles nunchucks billy club and rumpled bed lake was captured in a room containing a small arsenal of weapons. Lakes at a few guns were his but the rest were. Charlie's late 'til ages that Charlie was a guest who helped with odd chores. Didn't mention being a rape and kill buddy. He forgot that part. I guess looking further around the property agent turned up six handguns. Six rifles several them fully automatic along with hand grenades. Tnt A silencer tear-gas several boxes of AMMO Lake also volunteer being brought a Mac. Ten assault weapon and sound suppressor converted to a fully auto fully automatic weapon which he knew was legal. A few other stolen guns were found in the room along with more martial arts. Weapons cricket was detained but lake insisted she knew nothing of the weapons cache. Most of the guns lakes that have been purchased by ings. Mail order the dynamite. According to Lake had been sent by ING from Hawaii prior to his rival and fellow lake was placed under arrest and sent With the deputy to the county jail and Yucai as well on the way to jail lake asked a female deputy if they could pull overly quick so we could snap a few quick nude picks. He didn't but feels like something could do. It feels like there's something he would try to do at least out there. Play the numbers. Look I get that. I've been arrested. I get that I understand. You have to put me behind bars. You got a job to do. You know we all do but hey is having fun illegal. Answer the answer. That you know is making citizens. Happy illegal if look if I'm still GONNA end up in jail. I don't see what the big deal is about. You know pulled over and you know me taking a couple nude picks their officer sugar tits. So let's answer the million dollar question and find out how far JANK PUSSIES. Why are you so mad at me? Cricket was left the compound she immediately drove the county seat held lake post bail. They returned Indian Creek ranch following morning. Follow up investigation by sheriff's Outta white revealed. Several of the weapons had been stolen. Recent Mendocino county burglaries not surprising charged with seventeen felony counts including firearms violations violations of probation from the previous book burglary and theft and you lake faced. What would very likely be lengthy prison sentence and lake decided he could either take some cyanide or he could flee doing. The time was not going to be an option and he chose to flee was not ready to give up on Operation Miranda so he failed to show up at his scheduled court hearing and begin living the rest of his life as a fugitive cricket went live with their parents and San Bruno down to the bay area but would frequently visit lake for the rest of his life. Charles INC found himself. A military plane headed toward Hawaii to face a military trial between being jailed waiting for his trial his trial and his sentence. He ended up being behind bars for two years in two months prizes that longer he began his actual prison sentence in Leavenworth. Kansas early nineteen eighty-two he in Lakewood correspond via letters the entirety of his incarceration Lakewood. Sent Him. You're not going to be surprised. New photos of whatever various women teen girls he been able to Talking to pose naked for him. He'll send pictures of a bunker. He started building once. That project began a fellow. Marine incarcerate in Leavenworth with ING. Johnny Cardi would later recall Charlie talking to all kinds of crazy shit. While he was locked up he said Charlie wanted to get back to stealing weapons when he got out said he wanted to steal missiles shoot down. Seven forty sevens. He wanted to rob banks commit mass murder and quote. Kill Kill Kill. He also wanted to bomb a bus station and he really wanted to sexually torture as many women as possible. Johnny would later say that when it came to ways he could sexually torture someone. Charlie had quote a real imagination fort. Ann Inc told Johnny was he got. He was going to do what he wanted to do. These women in a bunker torture full of video cameras another inmate Ed. Popovich would also say that in confessed to all kinds of dark and crazy shit. While he was in Leavenworth. Charlie settle into prison life. Lake initially move from place to place state in various motels lodgings with French couch surfing now staying with relatives made money by committing petty thefts burglarizing homeselling Swede referred to all these legal activities as ops. He's doing some ops sort of assuming various aliases he managed to avoid capture lake still found time cricket from time to time also continued to correspond with that Young Darlene Davis July of Ninety two via letters. Thirty six year old lake now seventeen-year-old Darlene. Arrange to meet at Pacific Union College in Napa California. They meet have a whole bunch of sex renewed their vows of affection to one another and they continue to meet every few weeks or month or so for the next six months until Darlene gets a new boyfriend and then it stops dude had an insatiable sexual appetite when he wasn't hooking up with critter arlene. He was hooking up with the variety of old acquaintances around the bay area. He was fucking everyone who fuck him through selling weed. He was meeting new girls and trying to seduce and take nude photos of them. He was putting out personal ads in papers to meet and take pictures of more women. He met twenty six Rhonda Rayleigh that way when she answered ads placed under the alias of Tom. The Lakers played asking for an eighteen year. Old Woman to accompany him to Hawaii for fun. Romantic week at kind of weird to me. Strange that someone would put out an ad looking for a vacation. Fuck body and be the someone. We responded that it just different from like a hookup APP because like it was a hookup situation. You know you meet at some. You know neutral place and if you don't like them you can leave and go back with your life. You're not stuck with them on vacation. Feels like a big gamble comedy in years later about Iran recalled Leonard often talked about. Sem That she wants allowed him to tired of the bed and spanker he of course showed Hers Collection Nude and Semi Nude photos and persuaded her to take some nude photos as well. He definitely GONNA camera trip. I mean what what? Oh you supposed to do. Not Try to fill up another album of nude photos when he's supposed to live his life when they got back from Hawaii he Rhonda and cricket had some three ways thirtieth nineteen eighty-two Lake. Get a divorce. Not because they're really having a. Oh a lot of marital problems just for financial reasons. Cricket Didn't want to be league legally tied to lake. But she did want to continue to see him and she would continue to see him fucking for the rest of his life sometime around Christmas. Nineteen eighty-two Lake showed up at his mom's house in San Francisco and shocked the family by wanting to reconcile donny. I even tell everybody that. Donny's a worthless piece of shit. He wants to kill for years. Now this seems fishy that he would certainly want to reconcile with Donnie. It's because it is lake. Suggested that his brother Donnie. Accompany him on a trip up north to fill a job opening as a house sitter that doesn't exist and donny is pumped. He's overjoyed. There's big Bro. Has finally taken an interest in him and not wanted to kill him anymore and he eagerly accepts and then surprise no one ever sees Danni again so little suspicious he's remains will never turn up but I think it's fairly obvious you know he was killed Pretty Cold blooded shit you know. He kills his little brother just a few days later. A man looking a lot like Leonard Lake like exactly like let's lake shows up at the Vantage Social Club in San Francisco. This brothel introduces himself as Donald Lake and presents. Donald Lakes driver's license Leonard Lake told several people over the years that he wished his brother was dead that his brother was worthless. And he wasn't fucking kidding and killing. His Bro. Didn't seem to shake him up. One bit after uses freshly dead. Donny's ID to get a membership advantage club. He takes nude photos of several of the escorts working their classic Lake. There's no time to be said now with so many new picks to be taken on January. First Nineteen eighty-three Lake makes first entry in a daily first entry in a daily journal that he would keep for the next two years he also rents a basement room on nineteenth avenue in San Francisco in this house occupied by several tents. Four days later he revisits. He visits his sister to pick up some of the stuff in stored with her tells her that Johnny's doing great at his house. That job doesn't exist. He writes grabbing launched. Eighteenth mission sell weeded some prostitutes and talks about getting a blowjob. The next week's journal entries are filled with mentions of selling dope taking it picks you know bang. This person bringing that person Heels rights to see his Mama Lot helping her work on the home barring a car driving by to spend time with their Does not write about anyone seeming to be the least bit word that Donnie hasn't contacted anyone. Don't give a shit about Donnie. In addition to having taken Donny's ID he also begins to cash Donny's disability checks from the government. What a great brel. We should always lucky in early February just after a month. You know Stayed in his basement room after trying to fuck all of our female roommates. I'm not just making up. Wrote about it in a journal about you know. He tried to feel each them out that he'd be sleep with them or at least take nude picture them and they said no so like fuck this place then well you guys don't WanNa fuck me and take take nude picks like okay all right. I guess I'll just leave that. You know being a creepy raping murdering fuck living in the city. You know it was fun. I guess for Lowell. But it's not you know building a bunker soundproof. Fucked ognjen out in the woods fund. So what's the point of saying they're February Nineteenth Lake watches the collector again records. He writes The collector has it really been nearly twenty years that I've carried this fantasy and Miranda how fitting my lovely little prisoner of the future. I suppose in my way I am the same wimp as the hero in my way just as crazy. I have no doubt that we wimps have been compensating for our inability since the dawn of history. Sad really still. How can we die? We never live. He's he's maniac. You know whatever that means that he sees himself as the victim. This whip now. You're just a lazy piece of Shit. Who has plenty of sex way more sex than average? But it's not enough because you're just delusional. He's thinking about operation ran a lot crickets. Father owns remote out of the way cabin near Wilsonville about three hours from San Francisco. Seventy miles east of Sacramento and the Sierra Nevada mountains and he starts taking a lot of trips to this cabin to scope it out as a possible Operation Miranda bunker site early ninety three. That's let's say Oh Man I got the wrong date here. Okay I wrote one thousand eighty. Yeah two for second. I said wait. A minute are we. Nineteen eighty-three March thirtieth nineteen three Leonard Rights and especially Journal. He writes once I had a wife. She was my connection to the world through her. I could love trust believe in things others are allowed to believe in. I could have died for her killed for her. Even gone to jail given up by freedom in exchange for the security for love. Once I had a wife now I have no ties to the world. I am both above it and removed from it. Oh there are those. I love my sisters. Even cricket still these buying meat to the order of existence. I am free to die with no responsibility. All love love alone. Freedom an empty privilege but still one. I must bear with determination. Amusing our land of the free is not prepared to deal effectively with a truly freeman. That's because most truly free men don't want to just fucking torture and rape and kill people. What can they do to one? Carry cyanide pills in his pockets had cyanide in there when death holds no fears when there are no responsibilities beyond the next meal society. You are being sucked and you don't understand by who or why and if you did. You are powerless against one. Who is not afraid to die about powerless. You know you can always kill the person who isn't afraid to die and then you do have some power fucking dead and you have to deal with the crazy. Asking more. Dude has no conscious willing to die for his beliefs and his beliefs centered around sexually abused. Women he's a monster he's a monster who knew he was on April. Nine hundred eighty three Leonard decided to murder a man he'd been in regular contact with off and on for over a decade a man who seemed to really have been his best most consistent friend after reading a bunch of other stuff about him. Charles Garner. You know him and Charles. Each Other's houses Charles known both his first wife Karen also cricket letter was close to Charles's wife Charles's kids Leonard had even slept with Charles's wife once of course and take some picks because you know Lake. Call the plan to kill the friend. He'd had the longest relationship with operation. Fish random details about Charles Gutter. He volunteered as a birthday club and was in charge of a local troop birthday. Clowns Lake. Apparently didn't hang around anyone very very like the time who did march to the beat thrown drummer on May twenty. Fourth Eighty-three Lake Roads Journal. That the time was right to kill his friend. Charles a friend of Charles. Wendy open an part time clown that he was a you know associated with agreed to watch Charles kids for a week and Lake took Charles to Wilsonville to murder him. And that's what he did never said how his brother. Donnie Charles took a trip with lake and then was never seen again. When Lake returned without Charles he told Wendy that Charles had met a younger woman fell in love and it just taken off and left with her and that was it for Charles. Oh and lake asked Wendy if he could fucker not kidding The asked his ex wife cricket and he could fucker If they could take some nude pictures of her and she said no to all three offers he asked he asked. It feels like in this story. I was reading this crazy long book about him. It feels like I left so many of them out to. I've talked about it so many times already. There's more to come if feels like he asked to take nude pictures of every woman he met all right. So are you ready to order you? Bet Samantha. Smith. Yeah okay. I'd like the Moon over Miami aside extra Bacon Cherry Coke and can you pop that top off over them. Teddy's who I'll take some fix because that's a fun everybody. After killing Charles Garner Lake started driving around his van collecting disability payments love to collect other dudes disability payments lake. Also Act as a father figure Charles to team daughters so weird. The man who killed her dad buys clothes for him now. Cooks for them for a little while. Doesn't even try and take nude pics of them in the summer. Eighty-three Lake thinks You Know Maybe Buildings Doomsday bunker. In the sparsely unpopulated. Unincorporated community called Meyers flat. In Humboldt County is the way to go brings a woman and her two daughters just recently met to the cabin a cabin. He rented a few times. Shows are of course. Many many albums talks about the apocalypse talks about taking cyanide. She leaves The sister he wanted to maybe did fuck. Janet visits him and finds his albums as well apparently did not ask him. But but where's Donnie? Where is Danni Rollo? Kinds of creepy shouldn't journal Stuff about In Myers led about and a twelve year old girl that he wanted to take nude pics girl. He called Jail Bait such creep by October. He gives up on. Humble County decided crickets dad place. And we'll see the less that's the way to go. That's the best place to build apocalyptic Rape Dungeon. He'd done a lot of you know. Calm contrast comparisons it build a pro and con list. You know carry one crunch some numbers. He's like not right place to carry this out and creek joins him in Calaveras County for the first week in October covers county shaped like a giant Arrow. Point aimed northeast toward Lake Tahoe. Hundred thirty five miles away with the rugged peaks of the Nevada's. It's torturous journey journey. I got more than twenty miles to Wilsonville. Along twisting two lane road from the closest real town the unincorporated community of San Andreas per recognize the name from the Senate race. Fault Wilsonville consists of a post office small general market cluster of two or three other buildings about three dozen little homes the entire area shaded by Towering Ponderosa. Pine scattering of live oak trees in the winter. Snow often covers rugged hilly terrain Leonard Lake in order to reach the property belonging to crickets dad as take a small Wendy streak called Blue Mountain road to an unpaved driveway. About two hundred yards up dirt driveway. A pulls into a clearing house stands one story rectangular yellow wooden structure topped by a low angled light. Green roof stood at the top of very steep slope on two sides and expansive redwood deck projects over the hillside inside two bedrooms. One bathroom in a Combo Kitchen. Dining room fills eleven hundred square feet and right after moving any puts an ad on a community bulletin board and the little nearby town of West. Point you know finding out any Local women wonder nude pictures taken. Not even kidding just ridiculous to me. You just never ends. You get started on his bunker. It's finally time for Operation Miranda. He rents a backhoe to scoop dirt out the only fifteen yards from one corner of the House October. Twenty thousand nine hundred eighty three Leonard Lake lays out exactly why he wants to do all this What he and Charles Anger end up doing to. Who knows how many women Operation Miranda at home in Wilsonville? This sick fuck puts a video camera on a tripod. Hits record sits down on a well. Worn Brown recliner looks into the Lens spills out exactly what he wants to do. Dressed in a long sleeved. Black and white pattern shirt faded jeans and Brown boots you classes hands lap and emotionless leans back starts talking says this tape you're hearing now is going to be the leading of the various phases of construction of a building which hopefully will be the first of a series of underground buildings and then goes onto describe. This public purpose of the above ground. Portion of the building was to be a tool room and a storage room is shot basically and then he speaks about the real reason for its construction still showing no motion. He says the main emphasis of the building the whole justification for its expense and effort be a hidden portion of secret room if we can call it that that will house a cell a jail cell if you will. The purpose of that cell will be the imprisonment of a young lady. Who probably at this moment is unknown to me then the Doomsday preps which things up speak about other purposes for building a variety of underground buildings talking about living in troubled times intimate Holocaust and the apocalypse is going to wipe out most of humanity. Much crazy shit survivors. He theorizes are those possessed Who possessed the foresight to build bunkers in the mountains and stock them up with food weapons and money his personal bunker though. He says we'll also provide a place to live out his dark sexual fantasies. And this is the real reason. He's building all this. He says for anyone that is interested anyone who needs my justification my rationalizations as to why I would want to imprison. And in fact enslave a woman. They have only to look closely at me. I'm a realist. I'm thirty eight years old bit Chubby. Not much hair. Losing what I have not particularly attractive to women all of the traditional magnets the money position power. I don't have and yet I'm still very sexually active and I'm still very much attracted to particular type of woman who almost by definition is totally uninterested in me. I'm attracted to young women. Sometimes even as young as twelve although to be fair certainly up to eighteen to twenty two is pretty much ideal range as far as my interest go. I like very slim women. Very pretty of course petite small breasted long hair but such a woman by virtue of her youth her attractiveness her desire ability to the majority of mankind simply has better options. There's no particular reason why such a woman would be interested in meat but there's more to it than that. It's difficult to explain my personality in twenty five words or less but I am in fact a loner I enjoy peace. The quiet the solitude I enjoy being by myself from while my relationships with women in the past have been sexually successful socially they've been almost always failure bound to two divorces innumerable women fifty to fifty five. I forget the exact count Sure he did the League's account. Look at my photos me referred to my photos was actually was a three hundred and forty. He says I'm afraid. The bottom line statement is the simple fact that I'm going to say that I'm a sexist slob. And of course women are particularly interested in being used. I certainly enjoy sex. I certainly enjoyed the dominance of climbing on a woman and using her body. But I'm not particularly interested in the the Eagle all the things that a man should be interested in do complimented women's needs. He talks about how he can fake non sexual interest in a woman. You know for a little while that he'd rather not and it's kind of you know a lot of work he doesn't care for it and he says what I want is an off the shelf sex partner. I want to be able to use a woman whenever and however I want and when I'm tired or satiated aboard or not interested. I simply want to put her away. Lock her up a little room and get her out of my sight and that one that freaks me out that part. 'cause that is word for word what. I said Lindsay did or night. Listen than all right. You want me to take out the trash on a regular basis will. Here's what I want. Let me get my notes now. Fucking murder me. He says he confesses. Such an arrangement is not only blatantly sexist but highly illegal. There's no doubt about that. It violates all the human rights and Blah Blah Blah Blah. That's not my words as his. I'm going to spare posterity my concepts of other people's morality. I'm explaining my morality. What I feel what I want. And as of this moment. I'm going to try to get the advantages of such a situation of course obvious and even beyond sexual such a woman. Totally enslaved will be useful for the mundane chores. I have to do but I'm not particularly interested. The but am not particularly interested in doing clean cleaning the house washing. Sorry little fuck up after trying. Rearrange IT CLEANING THE HOUSE WASHING DISHES. Etcetera a slave. There's no way around it primarily sexual slave but nonetheless physically a physical slave as well still expressionless still not shown any emotion. Speaking barely ever whisper lake. Says I believe if I can construct a holding cell place where I can put such. Someone can walk off Buell secure. That she can't escape. I can create a facility. That is so stark so empty so cold so quiet so totally removed from the world. That fairly quickly by a combination of painful punishments. I'm displeased and Mina rewards such as music or magazines or some such stuff that I can quickly condition. This is my belief. I can quickly condition a young woman to cooperate with me. Fully and in fact even look forward to cooperate with me simply for no other reason than such cooperation would be relief from boredom taking a breath posse no more than a few seconds like ads. Whether I can do this. And that will I mean to be seen. Obviously I've never done such a thing before. It may not work however I I want to try. I want to try like like. He says there's no way you can find portions of the video online. Says like you're GonNa get it now. I know I okay. I thought it was crazy before but I want to explain it They talked about the cost and logistics to construct is bunker for a few moments before staring right into the camera and saying life is. I'm living at his boring. The challenge of this project the excitement thrill of it will be an exciting experience even fails as long as I don't get caught. It's very attractive. Something that I fantasize daily about. We'll see don't think there's much more to say in the week. I can hardly wait. Holy Shit well there you go. He doesn't leave anything to the imagination. This is the purest most honest confession. I can remember hearing from any of their bags. We've covered on TIME SUCK. Why did lake imprison and then sexually torture women? Because he wanted to actually to slave pure and simple he wanted to try and create some kind of Stockholm Syndrome situation with some woman condition which hostages develop a psychological alliance with their captor during their captivity instead of hating them. That term real quick by the way comes from a nineteen seventy-three bank robbery and Sweden were John Erik Olsen convict on parole to four employees of the bank. Three women and one man took him hostage on a failed bank robbery. Stockholm negotiated the released from prison of his friend. Clark Olafsson to assist him. They held the hostages captive for six days and one of the bank's vaults and when the hostages were released none of them would testify against either captor in court and actually began to raise money for their captors defense. They liked him. Lake wanted to create his collector version of this hold woman hostage get her to somehow like him do what he wants to do sexually not have to care for her man talk about brutal honesty soon after making this tape Lake Rights. Get nervous about getting caught right. He's not able to continue cash and Charles Garner state checks because it's the paperwork that he can't fill out he writes operation. Fish will terminate soon. Paperwork is arriving. I can't comply with must start scouting around for suitable. Replacement should have already done this two weeks before Christmas. Nineteen ninety-three needing help on the construction project LAKE PLACES AD in a local newspaper. Randy Stuart fifteen years old response accepts an invitation to the cabin lake. Introduces himself as Charles Gun? Hires him randy would later recall the while he worked for Lake? Cricket brought several young girls aged sixteen. Seventeen to the cabins lake photograph him. Of course one time lake showed him three videos of girls disrobing putting on new garments and randy realize that the girls didn't know they were being recorded. Each video depicted at least three different women. At least nine women he sees these snakes sneaking these voyeuristic videos out to celebrate New Year's Eve nine seventy three lake drives to San Francisco to meet a female friend crickets and her boyfriend. He later writes when hot tub in with them later. Took THEM TO DINNER. And then he discusses a new idea. I'm assuming with cricket called operation. Scott so now he wants to kill a new person to keep that disability money coming. In by February nineteen eighty-four. The bunkers almost built completion. Site lakes thoughts turn to his plan to enslave a female victim which he records in his journal. Writing while I enjoy company. I don't want an independent guests or girlfriend around for too long or too often. I enjoyed quiet not having to entertain or clean up after others. People around seem to get in the way get into things attempt change things when Miranda arrives. She'll be on a strictly help. Made basis around what I need. Help do what she's told. Go to a room when I'm finished with her so he's just constantly thinking about this on a weekend trip to the bay area late picks up a tabloid newspaper. Scans personals makes telephone call to a game named Phil Phil's wishing to find a partner? Who ENJOYS ORAL SEX? He later writes a journal. Went over to his house to case the place. Nothing of immediate. Grab a bottle Grabble value so I let him give me head surprisingly very good slow and deep as I like it still strange having a man do it no reciprocation of course with the little work down does he. Everybody's reading this and Dick. I'd be clear about that with a little work. I might be able to pass for him. Considering a fish like operation so now looking for Phil he stuck in Lake stick while lake is considering killing him and taking his identity lake ends up by fill out to his place a March sixteenth day before Phil canceled the trip. Lucky call one of this guy learned about Lak- later realized that if you had any cancelled he would sherban murdered a not a lot happening over the next several Monta. He shoots neighbor's dog for barking too much and then smooth things over by. Give the neighbor some homemade porn seriously. Oh he convinces the younger sister kid working for him Building a bunker. You know to let him take some pictures of her books. So shouldn't pet and taking some key porn. Slow couple months for Lake on June twenty ninth nine hundred four lakes buddy. Charles ING walks out of Fort Leavenworth Disciplinary Barracks. Twenty six months after he'd been arrested in fellow on Monday. July nine deborah hooking up with lady. He'd correspond with while in prison and not killing her. He visits the Guy He'd been locked up with in Chicago and flies out to San Francisco where cricket picks him up right before ing arrives. Late rented apartment in San Francisco in the same building where he'd lived a year earlier. Nineteen Avenue Golden Gate Park Referred to visit House earlier. I knew that that was something. I should cry notes. It's actually this huge apartment building. It was called the pink palace would be converted into a senior housing facility shortly after all. This happens like in the next couple of years So ing health with moving in chores with this new apartments and it's important buildings not just totally random. It's a lot of the victims ended up being other people who live in this building. The two men converse about old times they catch up. You know talk about prison experiences Disgruntled Shit they wanted. Do to people Lake then takes two month break from his journal writing writing. He did this because he needed to allow a period of time to pass. That was best left on recorded so a lot of bad shit. Sure happened in the summer of eighty four followings arrival in San Francisco there would be a sudden spike in home invasions burglaries unsolved murders in the area. There's probably not coincidental. Naming also quickly is able to get a driver's license and Social Security Guard of under the name of Mike Komodo. No one knows how this fucker was able to just easily get fake identification information all the time a woman saw man who looked exactly Charles in leaving the apartment of a man who was murdered July twenty fifth this summer. A dragon what. She assume later to be a body. Two other men have been killed near Lake innings apartments a few days before investigators were later believe these murders and robberies probably has something to do with You know with Ing Lake Lake going by the name of Alan Drain L. Starts asking a lot of pink palace residents to come to the mounds with them? If they're women to nude photo shoot if they're men. He asked him to come check out some weeds growing that they can. You know deal and make some money on thirty-seven-year-old Pink Palace Resident Maurice Rock goes with Lake. Picks MARIJUANA TO SELL THAT SUMMER. Never seen again. Pink Palace residents Cheryl A- Koro approached by late to take some nude photos never seen again local Randy Jacobson who live nearby the pink palace who owned a Broken Down Van that Alan Dre Aka Lake wanted to buy also goes missing his girlfriend Mesa McLennan later recalled Alan Aka. Lake came to his house to talk to him about buying the van. She had to hurry out to school. Left the two of them alone last time she or anyone else would ever see randy again in the van disappeared. After that a few days later she received a letter in the mail from Randy suspiciously saying that he'd left to head off to San Jose. Some guy named Steve. He just met to help us. Some big pot operations that she had never heard about letter was not written. And Randy's handwriting didn't mention win if ever he come back to San Francisco spend a little suspicious. Then after he was gone for a full week she checks. His bank account saw their disability check of his recently been cashed and so she figured I guess maybe it was his handwriting. Guess he was okay but she wasn't he was dead lake with cash is now you know a next trying. To take nude photos of every woman he met trying to kill and cash disability checks. Everyone he knew who is receiving disability checks was his favorite thing to do shortly after arriving back in San Francisco Ingram to place a half mile from lakes apartment on. Lenox way the most likely paid for with money he'd taken from people he killed on September. Twenty eighth to keep them arousing too much suspicion. Charles ing gets a straight job. Dennis Moving Company located on California Street takes under his real name. This month lake also begins to record entries Journal again he writes. I have learned that my programming in my youth that which is called morality either was not given or was given poorly to all purpose to save a few. I have no. Morality accepted as fact in terms of life and death. Neither seems to move me okay. So He's figured out. He's a complete sociopath who isn't bothered by killing his brother close friends or strangers and he also this his grandparents in men mom's fault in his dad's fault you know he wasn't given the the proper training to in person He says the past two months some Maranda come to fruit. That taught me more. The perfect woman is one who is totally controlled. A woman who does exactly what. She's told nothing else. There are no sexual problems with a totally submissive woman. There are no frustrations. There is only pleasure and contentment. I have observed. I believe one woman who found this not only acceptable but even desirable I highly. That's true you're right. I doubt this will be the norm. And in this case the woman's low mentality probably affected the discovery a whore druggy and fool still. I enjoyed using her and seemingly. She enjoyed the use. I do hope I do better next time. However Pink Palace help with money and sex. Not sure who this woman is he referring to Sadly numerous aging and lake murder victims will never be identified in gets busted for shoplifting. In Daly City knock Tober of ninety-four dude been stealing shit since he was a kid not about to stop now. Lake Rights to journal about being annoyed with Charles after having to bail him out on. Halloween Lake writes about finding a new person to kill a make some money off of he writes about seen an ad in San Francisco another like you know kind of a weekly Named for for a an the ad was placed by guiding Paul Costner. Who wanted to sell his car there. Yeah Lake writes about demand looking enough like him to be able to use his. Id and a few days later. Lake meets up with Paul. It's talk about buying the car and guess what no one will ever see. Paul again on the eve. November Ninth Lake Meek Lake makes Jesus the last entries in the journal that had covered a little more than two years types and so life goes on here or on alternate days. It has rained and I've done nothing. He mentioned the possible arrival of another woman. He'd met he writes. She may come up this weekend if she does come. I expect to screw her. Why else would a woman over? Forty travel hundred miles to visit a man. She doesn't know she doesn't want to be screwed. Been playing with the equipment walking the dog general stuff as ever reading a lot tonight. I retaped all my written journal notes and here right there'll be no more record of Leonard Lakes daily life after this but some video tapes will be made that will confirm his completion of operation. Miranda then the week November Ninth Lake and stop at the post office in Pioneer Little Burg. A few miles above wilsonville rent to post office boxes Lake uses the name. Identification Documents Randy Jacobson Inc claims to be Michael Komodo and then they use these addresses to correspond with future victims on January. Eighteenth Nineteen Ninety Five Charles things moving company co-worker Cliff Perenco will disappear forever to letters will show up supposedly from cliff at the company a few weeks later. They're both postmarked from. We'll see bill a pioneer but that yeah they become pioneer would imagine but the Wilsonville little stamp on them so from the area where they have their Armageddon bunker one is made out to cliff an ings boss says Dennis started leave on such short notice but a new job place to live and honey came all at once. Is their standard kind of letter. Got A great job in middle. Eighty at are nowhere. It's got a fucking abandoned. My entire life never seen anybody again. Then it says please semi check for the last three days in my W. Two to my new address below thanks Clinton and the new address is the pioneer post office Post Office box crazy. People disappeared around these two. Investigators don't have a clue killing people on February. I love ing get some new neighbors in Wilsonville Young San Diego. Couple Lonnie bond and Brenda O'Connor with their baby Alani junior move into a cabin near Wilsonville. They quickly meet the neighbor who lived down the slope from them. A man who introduced himself as Charles. Governor says he's a professional photographer. Uh-huh the photos never stops never stops Lonnie and Brenda's friends. Scott stapp Lee and Tori Doolan. Drive up the cabinet. Mid February to help their friends settle in when stapp Lee and his girlfriend return to San Diego. He shows pictures of You know the area to his CO worker. Terry Kohler close friend for nearly six years and Terry's like man this guy something. Something bothers me about this. She points to Charles Gunner. He's like Oh yeah. Oh yeah this guy is a total creep. Something very about him. They were very right. Something was very off about Leonard. Lake also In February local San Francisco musician in a band called crash and Burn Jeff. Gerald starts working with Charles Ing the dentist moving company. He worked here before in. Work there in boss. Dennis let Jeff have seniority over being in charge. Doesn't care about this your four. This just doesn't appreciate. He complained to Dennis. Dennis doesn't do anything about it. And then on February twenty four th Jeff Meets Charlie to go help somebody move and disappears is never seen again on February twenty. Fifth Leonard. Lake visits doctor about twenty miles from wilsonville. One of his fingers on his left hand shot prior to showing up unannounced. The doctor's office lady called a sister Janet and at close to eleven o'clock pm. Saturday nights tells you it's been shot in the hand. Since she had experienced as a nurse. He wanted advice and how to treat it. Janet gave instructions on cleaning and bandaging the wound. He shows up at her door early the next morning after three hour drive and ask her to give him treatment. He tells her he picked up a man who wanted to buy some weed and the do tried to burn him. Struggle ensued. The guy's gun discharged and sent a bullet into a finger in his left. Hand and Janet helps him with the wound What she doesn't do is ask. Where the Fuck Donny is? Only thing anyone filed a missing persons reported this guy so this guy who shot lake probably Jeff Gerald the second Charles in CO worker to go missing months time in April of Nineteen ninety-five or could have been somebody else. We we don't know exactly how many people to killed April of Nineteen ninety-five Lake in ING. Find the first known operation. Miranda victim eighteen year old Kathleen Elizabeth Allan. Kathleen was doing great. Before she ran into lake and aing she was young smart hardworking kind beautiful excited for the future. She had a fulltime job at Safeway. Grocery store nearby Milpitas where she worked for most of the year prior to this happening her boyfriend Michael Sean Carroll twenty-three worked at a pizza restaurant to recently rented a motel room together to stay until they could find more permanent residents than fight Friday April twelfth. Mike doesn't come home. She's worried sick by Sunday. April fourteenth. Kathy is very worried about her boyfriend. She struggles to who worked at. He's a safe Safeway. Try Not to think about where Scott could be and then you get to disturbing phone. Call a call. The center fears about Mike Skyrocketing through the roof. Someone called her undoubtably. The someone Laker in saying that Mike had experienced some serious problems in San Francisco had sought refuge near Lake. Tahoe they tahoe about one hundred forty miles away. The person on the phone. Ask Cathy to head to Tahoe and meet him. They said they would send someone to pick her up at supermarket. A CO worker at Safeway would later say Kathy told him. Mike had been shot and might be dead that same Sunday evening. Cathy called a friend James Bio and told him that a strange man had arrived to pick her and take her to Mike. And does this guy constantly talked about wanting to take new pictures her clearly? This is lake clearly. This is Lake James. Ask Cathy to call when she arrives. The Destination Kathy promises she will and then he never hears from again and no one ever sees her again a few hours later. Cathy finds herself in a terrifying set of circumstances. Unable to call anyone in the outside world video cameras recording segments of her nightmarish predicament. As the tiny red light of the camcorder blinked. Kathy is sitting in will warm brown fabric recliner chair legs crossed wearing a White Jersey with red short sleeves. Dark pants and black shoes handcuffs bind her wrists together behind her back sitting still with the numb expression on her face. She says nothing and for behind the camera. The Voice of Leonard Lake fills the room mycosis. He can't pay now. We're going to give you a choice. Kathy this is probably the last choice that we're going to give you. You can go along with us. You can cooperate. You can do everything we tell you to do. Willingly an approximately thirty days. If you want a date to right in your calendar the fifteenth of May we will either drug you blindfold you or in some way or other. Make sure you don't know where you are and where you're going and take you back to the city and let you go and what you say at that time. I don't care my name. You don't know his name was Charlie screw it? And at that point Charles Emerges from the shadows and the dimly lit room dressed in dark colors lake wearing a Tan. Knit sweater enters the camera range. Now for a moment to adjust the bonds on Cathy's ankles and moves back out of sight and says if you don't cooperate with us if you don't agree this evening right now to cooperate with us we'll probably put around to your head and take you out bury you in the same area. We buried Mike. A few minutes. Later late tells cathy while. You're here will keep you busy. You'll wash for us. You'll clean for US cook for us. You'll fuck for us. That's your choice in a nutshell. All this stuff will be played later for jury and people were especially bothered by this video. Make sense few minutes later. He adds in the last twenty four hours. We've been tired nervous little high strung. Perhaps we expect you to do something about that. Believe me we both need it. If you go along with this cooperate with this will be as nice as we can to you will you know will be as nice as we can within the limits of keeping you prisoner. If you don't go along with us we'll probably take you under the bed. Tie you down rape you shoot you and bury you sorry lady. Time's up. Make your choice motherfuckers ruthless than Lake Constructs Kathy to take off our clothes tells you to Charlie. He's GonNa shower with her and then when she's cleaned up they're both to have their way with her back at her. Safeway Kathy Store manager receives an unexpected call from Kathy on Monday. Cathy ask for an extended leave of four weeks. The ever convinced they're gonNa let her go in a month explaining that she has a prospect of job lined up in Lake Tahoe area. The manager grants our request subsequently he receives a typed letter which appears to be her signature announcing that both she and her boyfriend Mike Carroll had found permanent jobs they'll be staying in a new location and also contains a request for the manager to clean out her locker forward contents long with her W. two form to the post office box right near Wilsonville California to more tapes. A Kathy will later be found in the second tape. She also gives a as she gives an massage. The third tape lake takes nude photos of her after that. No one knows what happened. The cast because Charlie never confessed and lake never had the opportunity to confess in court. Lake calls a friend the week after cash abduction and has him up Mike. Carol's car saying it was abandoned. And has him sell it? Meanwhile early April of nineteen thousand five lakes. New neighbors are growing increasingly frustrated with the man they know. Charles Garner when Lonnie bond conduct some out of CA- town business lake stops by his house. Nasr's wife Brenda to can you? Can you feel the Blake? Take some nude picks you got it. Classic Lake. You just got lake. Brenda Curtis Everett. Lonnie's PAL and business. Associates stays overnight. The Cabin Bonn tells him he's trying. There's another night. Abban tells him he's trying to stay clear. Because Garner is a survivalist who has weapons deals we'd Bonn tells ever that been to gutters house seen all sorts of guns grenades even fucking grenade launcher bond also noticed shelves and Gunners House Jam was videotapes. Need hearn. He was into making smut movies and Gunnar Everett later said had the hots for Brenda and continuing continually bothered her about modeling for him. Sounds right. She been so unnerved by the insistent and constant you know request for her to pose nude that she got She grew afraid to stay home alone. And then in mid April bonded Everett meet Nevada town to work on some commercial. Enterprise or Brenda and Lonnie junior stay with acquaintances in San Diego and bond tells Everett that he'd had enough gunners shit. He told them the sooners. Our business was done in the valley. He was going to take care of the problems in Wilsonville with a gun. Ever would later say that. He interpreted the comment to me. That bond plan to have it out with Governor and paying back for messing with his woman. Who's going to go kill him and he would have it out with lake and he and a friend You know That came to deal with Lake. Scott Stapley they would lose this battle by Wednesday morning April seventeenth. He and his baby Lonnie junior and his friend Scott would be dead and his wife would either be dead or about to die being held captive New PLAYMATE FOR LAKE and aims. Miranda Project Lake inning after the murders drove to San Diego showed up at Scott's girlfriend Tori Dulan's home lake told her he wanted all the scots belonging to take back with them to make it look like Scott had moved out so that nobody came looking for him. Lake said he tried to cover up the deaths of Scott Lonnie Brenda and Lonnie Junior wilsonville. Because it looked like there was legal guns and drugs in the cabin and he didn't want the police stupid around. He said it looked like the whole scene. Had been a drug deal. Gone bad completely overwhelmed with shock Tori actually gave him stuff and didn't contact authorities. Dude was a smooth talking psychopath in Michigan. The families Brenda O'Connor and Lonnie bond couldn't believe it. When phone calls and letters from their loved ones suddenly ceased without explanation. Several other families had recently felt the same. Hor when they're cain had vanished Donald Lake. Charles Governor Marie Cheryl Koro Randy Jacobson. Harvey Dubs Deborah dubbed. Sean Doves Paul Crasner Clifford No Jeffrey Gerald Mike Carroll Kathleen Allen Lonnie Bond Brenda O'Connor Lonnie Bonn junior to babies four women. Ten men God knows how many others all missing all. Have you been in contact with Leonard Lake Charles or both right before they vanished? If you don't remember those dubs name woman had seen Charles ING leaving the San Francisco. Residents of the dubs family baby shot only sixteen months old. July four shortly before the family vanished along with a lot of harvey dubs video equipment. He'd recently opened up a business called video dubs either record weddings graduations. Cetera or rent out expensive of video for others to record these events and is believed that in lake killed this entire family just to be able to have their video equipment to use for the Miranda project by early May nineteen eighty five. There had been so many victims that they could transfer money from one victim to another for his personal use using Randy Jacobson's identification. He cashed a check to randy that appeared to have been written by Kathleen Allen from her credit union account weeks after both were dead on Sunday. June second nineteen ninety-five Lake and aims. Long run of murder and mayhem would finally come to an end. They wanted some materials to torture people with so and Lake drove to a South San Francisco. Lumber yards supply store now slash supply store. The corner of Railroad Avenue and Spruce Street wasn't a particularly chilly. David immoral heavy parka perfect for concealing shoplifted items leaving a Honda and the stores front parking lake in ING STROLL INSIDE ING stops to examine a display of table vices. God knows what he wanted to do with some vices lake wanted after another section of the store reserve South San Francisco Police Department officer John. Callous happened to enter the store. A few minutes later watches a short muscular Asian men walking towards him carrying a large vice fully expecting him to turn left towards the sales counter calluses surprised when he instead marches quickly out the front door instantly. Cows approaches the sales clerk asked if he sold advice when the clerk said he didn't Cala said well if no one's sold device you just got ripped off accompanied by another clerk. Callous sprints outside of the parking lot to finding he spots him standards of passenger door of a copper colored. Honda prelude about seventy five feet from the entrance. When callous spots ing moves away walks diagonally towards the intersection of Spruce Airport? The clerk shout at him to stop in picks up his pace vanishes from sight callous. Meanwhile returned to the Honda looking for the vice sees a box wrenches on the back seat callous called in the crime officer. Daniel right comes to the store. Since the Hondas Trunk Lead Remain Open Right. Looks inside finds device still marked with seventy five dollar price tag. He later recalled. There was a south city lumber and supply bag directly next to it. I looked through that for any type of receipt but found none. Cows wondered aloud if any more property might be in this car anymore. Stolen property so right scanned through the trunks contents and he later reported. I found a backpack lifted. It was very heavy. Inside was a gun. Case containing the Semiautomatic Sturm Ruger Twenty Two caliber handgun and silencer the weapon. Closer Callous noted a serial number found that the weapon had recently purchased by our Scott stapp Stapley in San Diego. One of the murder victims might the guy who was going to go help his Buddy Confront Charles Gunner Aka Leonard Lake. Right had just completed logging. It's information a bearded man extra. The store approached him said that. Hey everything's all right. He said he'd taken care of the bill for the you know. His friend accidentally hit carried it out. S- There's no reason to pursue this matter further when officer right asked him who he was lake. Says my name is Stanley. Then he reaches I bill. Ford bill reaches for his wallet and withdraws the driver's license for Robin Scott Stanley. Right once again uses radio to check for any warrants on stapley picking up the silencer. Right told you know stapley. It was illegal. Possession places him under arrest handcuffs him radios requests for another officer to transport him to the station. While Lake being taken in right finds a stun gun and also finds nine slide. Photographs of Lonnie Bond. Brenda O'Connor Lonnie Bond Junior and others laker taking pictures of these people before killing them. You know made them into slide photos we so we could. I'm guessing you know. Watch them whenever he wanted to relive his kills photo albums nude women he'd slept with or at least you know talked into taking some pictures and pictures of people. He'd murdered his collections. You really was the collector like Bob Dylan. Kansas City A much darker collectors than the character in the book or the movie The collector. I wonder how many people showed nude photos of murder victims too. I bet he got off shit like that officer called in another check. This time on the vehicle. He learned a vehicle belonging to another missing person. Paul Crasner of San Francisco at the police station. The bearded man call him. Self Scott Stapley faces serious questions. Now in an interrogation room in officer spoke to lake tells him how they new. Honda belong to a man named Paul. Crasner who the missing for nine months tells him that someone had attached license plates registered to a Buick owned by Lonnie Bond. Another missing person so they had a faulk and hat him he knows it lake slumps in his chair defeated his eyes well up with tears. He asks for a piece of paper and a pen. Sandy needs to write a note to his wife and his ex wife really. Before giving his confession his interrogator removes his handcuffs his handcuffs so they can do so well. Lakes crawls a message. He asked for as he asks for a glass of water. He's given one. He admits that his real name is Leonard. Thomas Lake tells the police. He's wanted on outstanding charges in Mendocino County. He also identifies his companion as Charles ing at an ing in certain T had served time in Leavenworth. Then he writes his note which says Dear Lynn and is cricket. I love you I forgive you. Freedom is better than all else. Tell Janet I'm sorry mom Patty all. I'm sorry for all the trouble love Leonard Lake unfolds. The paper stuff's in his shirt pockets before the handcuffs can be snap back on his wrist. He reaches under his collar pulls out one of those fucking cyanide pills talking about for years he would never shut the fuck up about golf. Sit down with a quick swallow of water moments later. He has collapsed on the floor. He's you know he's starting to have convulsions. He did it or he'd done. Excuse me he said for years he was gonNA take cyanide to avoid prison time and he wasn't joking right before he loses consciousness. He's able to talk one of his interrogators of this female detective taken offer top and posing for a couple of quick new picks. Of course. That's not you love it. If it was just beginning camera just just a nip if you could just take over top of coming up. He's rushed to a nearby hospital puts on life support systems. He he'll never regain consciousness. Detectives quickly contact cricket Balazs. Who leads him to the cabin and the bunker in Wilsonville and investigators immediately search warrant the look over the premises investigators? Students soon step inside lakes combination tool shed workshop they find an array of construction tools as expected along with shovels picks wheelbarrow other ordinary You know implements and tools They also find a wall covered photos of scantily clad young women not all of whom seem happy to be having the picture taken detectives. No they. They're now facing the task of identifying a variety of murder victims by facing or by pacing the perimeter outside the investigators realized there is considerably more space inside the what's been used by the workshop. They reenter the building. See Piano hinges on a plywood wall realize? There's a hidden door behind some shelves. The hinges are bent is if someone on the other side had been pushing her pounding on the concealed door. That's so fucking sad right. Whoever's been trapped inside their pounding trying to get out preps variety of people pounding trying to get out with the officers opened the door they find it leads through a narrow passageway into a rectangular chamber that they will label the living area. The room contains a bed table with the lamp desk dresser shelves for food storage clothing various other supplies and also. How psychotic is this a copy of the collector by John Fouls remain on the bookshelf? The only book on the shelf if captives wanted to read. That's what they got to read at one end of the chamber. A plywood partition divides a space making yet at tiny room. No more than three and a half feet wide by six and a half long contains narrow platform about two feet wide A Rubber Foam Pad lays on this platform. That was probably used for bed. Five Gallon plastic buckets with the roll of toilet. Paper sits in a dark corner. The cell had been completely soundproofed. Amir had been inserted into the wooden wall between linear in the tiny cell providing a one way view into the cramped cubicle so someone could watch whoever was inside. A single type. Sheet of paper was posted on wall. The words made the detectives sick when they read. It said rules one. I must always be ready to service my master. I must be clean. Brushed made up with my cell neat too. I must never speak unless spoken to unless in bed. I must never looked my master in the eye but must keep my eyes downcast. Jesus Christ three. I must never show my disrespect. Either verbally or silent I must never crossed my arms or legs in front of my body or clench my fists and unless eating must always so weird must always keep my lips parted four. I must be obedient completely end in all things. I must obey immediately and without question or comment five. I must always be quiet when locked in my myself six. I must remember obey. Any additional rules told to me. I must understand that. Any pain trouble or annoyance caused by. May to my master will be grounds for punishment. Fucking ridiculous and again and again. Weird that this is. I don't know what the odds of this would be. It's got to be like one in a trillion. This is exactly Word for word what I read to my wife Lindsey again tonight as we talk about some fucking ground rules right. Let's listen we're we're gonNA negotiate from here. We'RE GONNA START HERE. Then we're going to plug in and we're compromise now is crazy The actually did all this shit. Investigators find photos so many photos defined videotapes of two women. Kathy Allen Brenda O'Connor who knows how many other women were. Actually you know held hostage there in the opening shots of Brenda's tape. She sits in the same brown check. Kathy had one point. She says to the man who she still thinks his name. Charles Gunner ride this guy that she thinks neighbor Charles Charles. What are you going to do it? What are you going to do to us? Why are you doing this and Lake answers because we hate you a minute or so later lake says your baby is going to take to be taken away? There's a family in Fresno that doesn't have a baby Brinda please. You're not taking my baby from me. Incredibly some of these videos like this portion watched on Youtube Lake says they've got one now Charles ads it's better than The baby is dead right likening than Thanh Brenda about her baby. They make her undress. Tell the Charles is gonNA shower with her. Lake is going to then Raipur. Brenda has no idea. That as tape is made her baby and husband or already dead as the land around the bunker begins to be searched six different plots of ground containing blackened soil signals. The sites of hot fires remains may have been burned. Found one of the police canines may makes the first discovery that sets off alarms of multiple murders. The curious dog walked a short distance away during break search returns carrying a bomb between his teeth close examination reveals remnants of flesh clean to the bone and then a pathologist declares as a human bone not long after this not far from the bunker and a secret chamber a sheriff's deputy spots a four by eight foot section apply on the ground partially obscured by scattering of iron rich red dirt common to the region by sifting the dirt removed from under the plywood. The searchers turned up bone fragments. A section of human spine and bits of human teeth. Dr Boyd Stevens Chief. Medical Examiner for the city and County San Francisco joins the task force reports that hundreds of fragments have found That have been subjected to cremation. The reason for six burnside's on the ground becomes clear bodies definitely being burned in these six sites. Eventually thousands of bone pieces are gathered from the property on the third day of the search Wilsonville. Investigators receive expected news from San Francisco that Leonard Thomas Lake has died from cyanide poisoning. His death will be the first on a long list of deaths. The next two entries come from a Grisly discovery by men. Excavating a telephone line. Trench the first body probably an African American man never be identified the other victim. Also African American was Maurice Rock. One of those guys who disappeared from the Pink Palace remnants of another occupant of the Peak Palace Pink Palace or found. Rox Friends Cheryl Koro also among the photographs discovered. The bunker is a picture of a coral standing on the deck the projected from the back of the Balazs cabin her wrist locked in handcuffs. Several sealed packages contained hundreds of dollars coins of all denominations or Doug on the property to Tupperware containers have roles of silver dollars in them along with valuable. Gold pieces foreign coins jewelry. One of the plastic paint tubs held Leonard Lakes Journal from nineteen eighty three and nineteen eighty-four several more sealed. Drums contain driver's licenses. Social Security Cards Cards checkbooks other. Id Randy Jacobson's remains are found. That man who vanished from the pink palace or near the Pink Palace in June of Nineteen for the medical examiner finds it his body was totally encased in lime and that he'd ingested cyanide Leonard Lakes poisoner choice to more videotapes tapes found when investigator pop one of them labelled taboo into VCR. It first appeared to be nothing more than a taped movie but when he rebounded a split second flash of something obviously unrelated to the movie appeared in the first few seconds of the tape too stiff bodies wrapped in plastic and seeping or sleeping bags. Seemingly Rigor mortis appeared to be resting in a blue wheelbarrow. Copeland had seen a blue wheelbarrow near the bunker. So what else have been on that tape before the move a movie with tape over snuff film right. Did they not find snuff films? Because maybe they were sold on the black market. I be surprised if he didn't make him. No more bodies turned up. Experts estimated that after finding some forty five pounds of bone fragments at least twenty five people's remains were buried around the bunker. Now what about Charlie? Ing was back a bit. Find out where he went when he walked away from that. Lumber yard back on June second ninety-five simply walked away to avoid arrest. He contacted cricket from a payphone. She picked him up. Drove back to the lumber yard when they saw Leonard talking to the cops cricket got scared and drove off and she dropped off at a bus station recalled. His aunt told her he wanted to take a vacation and was able to get her to wiring four hundred bucks. He called the owner of Dennis. Moving said that a Powell and Hawaii committed suicide said he needed time off for the funeral. Packs a suitcase. That has his aunt drive him. Drive into San Francisco International Airport and sorry Integrate that my nose to she didn't wire him little details to get these things right. She gives them. The money does not wear. The money gives it to him in route to the airport. He mails a package of guns to himself. In CHICAGO BUYS A TICKET TO CHICAGO FLIES. There stays at a friend's house for a few days former marine spent time in Leavenworth received that package that he'd made England spins four more nights at the Chateau Hotel in Chicago under the name of Mikimoto before getting a ride to Detroit where it crosses the board into Canada from there He makes his way To Calgary where one of his sisters lives by the week first week of July nine hundred five trails has been targeted targeted in an international manhunt by FBI. Interpol Scotland Yard of the Royal Canadian. Mount police he makes it to Calgary where does not believe he's He believed stay with sister. Maybe he was just two word. Agents were monitoring her house instead he hides in the woods. He fashions himself a primitive. Lean to campsite in Fish Creek Park situated small wooded valley that runs through the southern part of Calgary Short. Walk no bus stop. Some kids find him sleeping there in the woods. The police are called Gone by the time they make it back to the park or they make it to the park to police on Saturday. July six old sticky fingers caught again. Sean Patrick Doyle forty-six year old high school teacher part time. Security Guard nudges his partner. George Forster forty-eight inside a downtown Hudson Bay Company Department Store. Doyle has spotted the short Asian man wearing a t-shirt blue jeans and running shoes acting suspiciously inputting ten of salmon into a shopping bag along with a two liter bottle of pepsi cans soup sugar. Some other items then. He slipped several of these items into a blue knapsack walked past the cash register and heads towards the exit. Doyle enforced her. Follow him once a few steps. Outside the store doyle enforcer grabbing and the struggle breaks out ING had a twenty two caliber handgun inside his jacket. Fires twice during the struggle to subduing forced to report? As soon as I saw he had a gun. I put a chokehold on him Sean. Grab for his hand. Gave him a sort of a shoulder block and the three of US went down to the floor. Doyle ended up in shot in the hand but he enforced her able to hold onto martial arts master. In until the Calgary police arrive and take him into custody. Random funny detail about this when the police came and got him. A crowd had gathered to watch and they erupted into cheers The Calgary stampede was in town this huge kind of Rodeo events and there's like shows going on around town and the spectators admitted later they thought this was an act. They thought it was like just a like a weird little seen. Just part of the Calgary stampede but in reality it was his fucking serial killer being arrested for shoplifting. Ing is booked on charges of attempted murder robbery and possession of a firearm. He's taken to the city. Jail strip-searched is holding sale. Who literally should his pants on the ride to jail? Tried to hang himself with his shit. Soiled sure. That was fun for officers to Untie Untie. His shit stained underwear him to the shower to get clean for a timing was left naked in his cell quote depressed suicidal and fearful. The kidnapper became the prisoner. Sure he didn't like it when things campsite at Fish Creek Park a surge to thirty five millimeter camera. Serial number five zero two two five nine five force found. They traced that number And find out. It was a camera that had been bought by murder victim. Robin Scott Stapley from San Diego repair shop. The previous April ings real identity soon discovered American investors flight. Cal Calgary talk inked. They talked to ing who lies his ass off. Blames everything under Lake in did make a horrifying certian about captive? Brenda's baby Lonnie Bond. Junior Lake said Are In said that lake had strangled a child by quote putting the baby's head between his thighs and twisting the upper body. Jesus Christ Inc said this execution method was his idea saying he told Lake. If you WANNA kill the baby make sure doesn't suffer. Detectives questioning about all the crimes they were uncovering in Wilsonville and also crimes unrelated to lake such as young woman who'd been shot to death in Hawaii at a car rental agency on a military base and became a suspect in that case also in a rape case in December of eighty one on December eighteenth nineteen five found not guilty of attempted murder in Canada. He is found guilty of assault and robbery sense to four and a half years behind bars nearly three years later. October hundred eighty eight in faces the opening stages of court hearings to determine the issue of his extradition to the. Us were murder. Charges have been filed against him. He's been the previous two or he'd spent the previous two years studying for his defense hoping to avoid being sent across the border are there was a there was a possibility would not be sent to the US because Canada does not have a death penalty. California does have a death penalty and it was Canada's choice to Out Either send him or not the chance. They wouldn't because that was against you. Know their morality to send somebody to another country that does have the death penalty so during the trial to decide his extradition fade. Us investigators tracked down. One of the men. spent time with in Leavenworth Popovich. One of the. He talked about all the horrible things he did to try to persuade. Canadian officials. Like this guy is really a piece of shit you really WanNa send was you. Do not want to release him and Popovich tells. Investigators hinting talked about all kinds of crazy. Shit Talked about stuff like using lime to dispose of bodies bodies in Wilsonville were encased in line. He said we also wants to discuss the best way to. Burn Bodies Inc told him that he and lake had killed several people one time after. He said he shot several times. He said they burned his body. There were just teeth and bones left INC said that he'd like torture that guy and other men before killing them. Y'All suppose told Popovich the he and lake had killed some women and then one time they even kill woman's Baby. He told poverty targeted a worker to kill which he did. Inc suppose that lake preferred not to do the killing so heated a lot of them instead he Did all kinds of things checked with what investigators refining Wilsonville? You know that they burn some bodies buried others around the Bunker Inc told ed he tortured and sexually abused a variety of Women Popovich said ing admitted to using a knife on one of the female victims and quoted in a sane. I cut the bitch up. I chopped her up regarding another victim quote. He said he had used a concrete reinforcing rods. I believe that men. He had beaten her with it. He said he pliers on one on her nipples. Jesus Popovich believing videotape torturing these women but the footage was ever found Popovich said to investigators in told me he had anal intercourse with some of the women as Willa sexual intercourse in oral copulation. Said he always wasted them quote afterwards. He said Lake participated with him in this together and had videotaped some of these activities would send me a tape. He said the last call received from was in mid April nineteen ninety-five when invited him to come out and join in on the fun so Popovich clearly a piece of shit as well as said that he told him he couldn't afford to come out and offer to send him some money but he never did and then he never heard from again on September. Twenty six one thousand nine hundred seven. Canadian Supreme Court justices announced that by slim forty-three margins. We almost got away with all this. They ruled Charles in could be extradited to California and face a trial that might that might result in a verdict of death. Think about how crazy that is. As a four three margin you reverse that then he gets let out and he goes on to Hong Kong and just fuck as whatever he wants to afterwards a few hours after. This verdict Charles enters a cell the within the cold forboding walls of folsom prison few miles east of California's Capitol Sacramento for Charles Ing. The years of studying legal procedures while walked up in Canada. Had armed him. With an arsenal of knowledge he would use to wage an all out war on the California justice system. A jail guard would later claim over herding. Say if you wanted to delay the system all you have to do is fire your lawyers. And it was a tactic. He would use generously. It would take six more long years of legal wrangling. Changing judges changing defense attorneys motions complaints venue arguments other delays before Charles. Even face a jury to decide his fate. The case would eventually cost California taxpayers estimated. Twenty million what. A huge waste of money wants a trial finally was underway. It quickly became clear. Cricket was involved in Operation Miranda. She signed a plea deal or charged with not be brought against her in exchange for testifying. She was given immunity after being given immunity. Cricket tells police that she and lake had conversed on subjects. Like you know cutting up or with a chainsaw. She also engaged in forgeries of government checks payable to the children of Charles offers murderer. helps sell stolen items with lake while he was posing gonner at flea markets shells. Help the police find one of the bodies she told police. Look the chicken coop. That's where victim Randy Jacobson was found. One of things defense attorneys would note. Cricket was deeply involved in their sadomasochistic sexual practices Her petition and the Miranda project was is clear jurors were told cricket it helped recruit potential female victims to be photographed and that many of those photo sessions would lead to murders on one of the videotapes. Leonard Cricket even sit together and look at a photo album of young women talking about some of them disappearing joking about the Miranda project. Ings trial lasts from October. Two thousand six hundred ninety eight to February eighth nineteen ninety nine and the jury announces that they've deadlocked on one count of murder but they do find in guilty of eleven other counts. So that's fantastic sad. The cricket is an also in prison. But good that You know he's found guilty and then on Wednesday June. Thirtieth nineteen ninety nine is finally sentenced while ing sat slumped shoulder blank expression on his face. Judge Jack Ryan cleared his throat and said a resounding strong voice. Charles Cheating it is the judgment and sentence of this Court for eleven counts of murder for which the jury found you guilty and the finding of true in the special circumstance of multiple murder and the jury's verdict of death it is the order of the court that you'd be punished by death within the walls of San Quentin prison at a time to be set by this court in the manner prescribed by law and he has been on death row ever since and likely We'll just you know die of natural causes on death row because California is not executed prisoners since two thousand six in fact on July sixteenth two thousand fourteen federal judge Cormac Jay Carney the. Us District Court ruled California's death. Penalty system is unconstitutional because it is arbitrary and plagued with delay and that takes us out of one. Hell of a time suck timeline. Good job made it back barely. A what a tale writes got to sociopaths coming together to unleash hell upon earth to Canadian. Police didn't let ing kill himself with Shit stained underwear back in Calgary that I would have saved well over twenty million dollars. I'd like to think about You know Way in a situation like that so I can't believe he killed himself in five minutes. We were watching the case of Charles. Zing man is pointed to a lot of pro death penalty advocates. I pointed at it in that regard. My Standard Special. Don't wait the bear a few years ago. I Call Him Robert in that day on the day of the recording. Charles regretted it ever since so embarrassing. I won't on and on about the death penalty today. I've talked plenty about it on many sucks before. Nothing they're really. Wrap up here just a a darkly interesting tale. Hopefully hopefully I told it correctly. There was so many details sometimes. It's really hard some weeks. We have a hell of a time. Finding the information to kind of build out a suck on some random dirtbag there was one source that we leaned on heavily. I'll have it in the show notes that just so many details this Journalists did an amazing job of putting this all together many years ago but man just Yeah just too. Dark dudes very committed to a fucked up goal. Guys didn't care about anything other than their own desires devoted their lives to inflict pain and suffering feeling sexually satisfied no matter what that cost other people instill in prison still in San Quinn. The Oldest Prison California just over twenty miles north the Golden Gate Bridge so close to where caused so much that pain. He's fifty nine years old. He's healthy and again. Despite technically being on death row he'll never be executed. So as a bummer. Ho- hopefully another inmate carries out that De Sense. I hope it hurts. I mean if anyone deserves a terrible death right who qualifies more. He ties with some previous dirtbags. We've talked about JOE DUNK BY LEONARD. Lakes old murder buddy trails right up there right up there with the the worst. Muzak you can be and time now for top five takeaways away number one Leonard Lake and Charles in both. Us Marines both discharged in kicked out in prison for stealing weapons fleeing capture lake. Let Gopher mentally breaking down during the second tour Vietnam. Both would use their military training to conduct a variety of fucked up ops like Operation Miranda number two in was convicted eleven murders. But he later thought to have killed at least twenty five people and at least two women were imprisoned and then killed an operation. Randa probably much more than that number. Three Holy Shit Leonard Lake Take Nude. Pick my God. I love it. He was more committed to putting together photo albums of nude women than than anyone I've ever heard of if he could have just been hired by Hustler. Some other porn. Mag You know maybe some of this could have been avoided number. Four Charles ING arrested in Calgary Nineteen ninety-five extradited to the US. Nineteen ninety-one finally convicted of murder in one thousand. Nine thousand nine. His twenty million dollar trial was the most expensive trial in the history of California at the time number. Five new Info Bobadilla and Leonard Lake. Not The only serial killers inspired by the. Christopher Bernard Wilder Aka. The beauty queen killer was an Australian man from Sydney who abducted and raped at least twelve. Women killed at least eight of them. During a six week cross country crime spree in the US and early Nineteen eighty-four he lure women mostly models to his truck under the pretense of taking some photos. Right fucking so similar to Leonard. Lake then need abduct them rape them sometimes kill him a copy of the novel. The collector found amongst his possessions. A well read copy after his death. What is it about that book? Its author John. Foul stated in an interview that his own sick fantasies were what inspired him to write this book. As a boy he said he frequently imagined imprisoning some women and exerting power over them and if he only knew how powerful this book was going to be a wonder if he would've just maybe kept that fantasy to himself by away. Charles ING Leonard Lake. Have been sucked. What crazy tail anyone else doing stuff similar somewhere in the world right now? A lot of survivalists live near me northern Idaho any them Harboring some Operation Miranda light plants scared to think about what we find some day on remote properties around here Big thanks to the time. Suck team. Thank you to the all seen is the cult for helping the Countess of the cold Liz Hernandez run the curious. Facebook group page. Thank you for being on top of the bojangles. E mails as well take good care of our listeners. check out the time suck discord channel and that facebook group. You WanNa have more virtual social interaction right now links in the episode description Discord Lincoln. 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My daughter who three has accused of family member older kid of touching her inappropriately and making sure to include the fact that it hurt her physically as fucking tragic she's given very descriptive details winning wherein who when. I heard this from her. I broke down like a baby. I get it not just for my daughter but for the other child involved because I personally believe that it is not something that just randomly POPs and do kids head. Something learned when I brought this to my family. No one would cost strife amongst my family and extended family my daughter my wife and I were immediately dismissed. Pretty much told it didn't happen then. My daughter lying not good daughter maintains that it happened in a closet. Similar to the ones you room. When she's brought into that closet to nighttime diaper off to put bigger under on freaks out she will scream and say things like no. Please don't touch my holes. Don't touch my Jesus Christ man person this is all the info. I need to believe her. I'm aware of false memories. How leading questions can create a false narrative? My wife and I are very careful about that. The accused is not on the same developmental stages. My daughter curiosity theory is thrown out. All I want is for my family to take this seriously. And they are not my wife and I have avoided bringing this up to my daughter anymore because it's traumatizing for her. We wanted her to forget asap. I truly do not know where to go from here. I'm reaching out to respect you as a man as a father. I'm not looking for this to be read aloud during a podcast. I just want the advice of another father. Thank you in the time so team for everything you do. Colds and curious truly a wonderful community. I'm so thankful to have this outlet for advice and support and then I'm gonNA leave out last little part there. Why chose to read this? Because I think it's an important thing for other people to hear truly because sexual abuse is way too common way to Real. Thank you first for right and all the kind words. You sound like a fantastic father. This is this is tough thought a lot about your situation. Here's what I think. I think I think you should do some Google in your area for a counselor that specializes the sexual abuse. Make an appointment for you and your wife accompany her daughter to However many you know a appointments it takes a good therapist is also going to be well aware of false memory syndrome. If after you know variety of counseling sessions. You All are convinced that another child in the family or still convinced. The another child in the family touched your daughter very inappropriately then. I think you go back. That child's parents demand to talk about it if they won't talk about it. I think you say that you're going to have to talk to the police. Then you're GONNA have to get social services involved in if the threat of doing. That doesn't start a conversation. Then I think you follow through and you do that because if your family is furious with you after that that's on them but I say all this with an Asterix I'm not qualified in these matters. That's why you should go to a therapist. Get the therapists advice about all of this. This is their area of expertise not mine and do very soon. Best of luck. I hope this resolve as soon as possible. What I wouldn't do is just nothing from this point. Forward Right. It's too important. You don't WANNA risk Something happening again. Because you don't talk to somebody and don't root out what sadly there could be a pedophile in the family. And if there is you want to do everything he can to find him. And you don't want your daughter when she's older to look back and think that you didn't do enough so that's my advice. Man Best Luck. Jesus Christ so sorry. That happened next up. 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It'd be pretty fucking sweet if you could give them a shout out. He's been bugging me to call right in the shows to here. It is Keith Dog. I Love You love you. Big Little Buddy happy birthday. Thank you Dan and crew for kicking out quality content become concert source of entertainment and discussion from our family. Four or family. Keep doing that thing you do. We'll keep listening he'll Nimrod keep on fucking. I don't know if that was intentional. By now I will thank you. Devil Boy Happy. Belated Birthday. Keep Doug Your Dad did get this message to me early by the way so the lights all on me. Love you man Hope you're doing. Well hope to see you again. Still have your art on the sucked under wall right near my desk. Hail Nimrod last up some Humor a Commons law shout out update from magnificent. Meet SACK RYAN. Shank Ryan writes dear master sucker. Quarantine King Cova Commander. I'm writing into share my story. I have a six month old son been in the hospital since March ninth. Sorry my wife and I have been trained place at the hospital every Sunday and Thursday for the last month so one of us can stay home with our four year old. The six month old just had open heart surgery this week. Jesus man. I'm glad I'm glad they're doing good. Though while sitting at his bedside I was listening to the cove. Nineteen south of my headphones on. One of his monitors started to Alarm so I got up to check on it when I stood up quickly the headphone Jack. Pops unplugged right after that clear as day loudly. You say no one likes scabby balls while do your manzke commercial. I couldn't see the nurses job I couldn't see the nurses jaws drop 'cause they were wearing masks but did seize them. Wide Eyes hurts a muffled laughs equipped to lead back to my laptop. Pasi episode prevent any additional ball talk. Luckily nurses seen here far worse. I'm sure they thought it was funny. Surfeit along email just wanted to thank you for all the hard work in your team. 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The Unexpected End to this Lake Erie Battle

Aerial America

02:23 min | 11 months ago

The Unexpected End to this Lake Erie Battle

"These sandy shores Mark Ohio's northern border on Lake Eerie. The waters of this lake may be peaceful today a but in the early nineteenth century and were filled with battleships cannons ablaze during one of the most important naval battles in United States history. Sorry it all happened in the waters off South Bass Island which now lies just south of the Canadian border in eighteen. Twelve war broke out between Britain and the US that same year British forces captured Detroit the US Navy feared the Lake Erie. Next then on September tenth eighteen thirteen six British warship sailed towards South Bass Island many fear. That was part of a British plan to take complete control over lake. Erie in response to the threat twenty-seven-year-old United States Navy. Commodore Oliver Liver Hazard. Perry rushed his fleet into action. Here in a place called put in Bay at first the southwest winds worked against experise fleet. The British ships fired heavily on Perry ship the USS Lawrence killing or wounding nearly all of his crew desperate and it on the verge of defeat. Perry decided to risk it all in a small skiff and under fire. He wrote to his newest fighting ship. The Niagara and and climbed on board then Perry and his men sailed Niagara Straight towards the British fleet. The winds changed and so did Perry's luck. Two British ships became entangled and were unable to maneuver defense almost immediately the British surrendered in a span of just twenty minutes. Perry had gone from facing certain death to capturing every British vessel Lake Erie was now house safely in American hands today. Memorial to Perry's victory sores three hundred fifty feet over the site of the battle with the British threat. Removed files focus turned to trade.

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Travel WITH Stephanie Abrams_October 25, 2020_Visit Lake Havasu City with Mayor Sheehy

Travel WITH Stephanie Abrams!

39:10 min | Last month

Travel WITH Stephanie Abrams_October 25, 2020_Visit Lake Havasu City with Mayor Sheehy

"It's travel with Stephanie Abrams on the line with me is cow she he the mayor of Lake Havasu City in Arizona. He's also talk about a busy man, the general manager of the London Bridge Resort and by the way talk about a busy man, do you know there are people that I call in the world who maybe are less familiar with me and what I do and who I am and to get them to call me? Back I don't want to go into details on what you have to jump through the hoops by take really busy person and somebody with an inkling as to who I am and what I do and when I got this bug in my head that I had a p talking about Lake Havasu you marvelous about getting back to me and your staff is fantastic. So when she needs a raise teller to come to me all right the reference. I will do that. You think you. Have a great team I. Hear Lake Havasu City. So thank you for that. So talk to me about the London Bridge Resort and the London Bridge. London bridge the role famous London bridges is the iconic landmark here. City that spans over the Bridgewater Channel it was purchased by the founder of our city Robert P McCulloch when the Leonard Bridge was. Sinking in the river tame a he was winning bidder purchased it took it apart piece by piece in England labeled them all shifted over the Long Beach and trucked into Lake Havasu city and construct reconstructed as a puzzle across. Dry over peninsula, and then later once the bridge was up, he then diverted the Colorado River and like how sue by dredging bridgewater channels. So now sits as an iconic reminder to our heritage, our history on here like Havasu although history's very very short it's only been a proxy fifty years of Art Community but we're now a community of over. Fifty five thousand people that are probably to call a Lake Havasu city home and the lender bridge resort sits right at the base of the London Bridge and features a hundred and twenty two, all suites located right on the Bridgewater Channel. We have our dining in restaurants and nightclubs both slips and shops in and banquet facilities and a nine hole executive golf course. Everything that you would need to do. Well, you're like how much the student can be done outlet resort. Go back over the golfing. Lake City has several golf courses I hear Leonard Resort there's a nine hole executive course that overlooks like how in the Bridgewater Channel but then we have several championship eighteen hole courses in the area or within just a short drive. But Golf is a a really large driver for folks in and people get some pristine grains in this area with just a quick drive to the to the range. Did. You really say golf is a driver in lake. Havasu did you really say that? Nerve of. You. Championship Golf, courses. Are. Any of them designed by any famous people we might recognize because people love to throw those names around. You know you we. We had some people that consulted. On different courses but no one has put their namesake on on any of the courses that are in the dry zone I here. But we did consult with some pretty famous golfers on certain courses but again, it's not their at their name Sake. I got a lot of golfers in my audience. So how many eighteen hole courses are there? There's a four in the Lake Havasu city the general they canvassed city region and there's a approximately ten or more within just a short drive from Lake Havasu City area Golf, in fact, people have paid me not to golf with their Club. Because I give a whole new meaning to the word divet. You can actually hear strange Chinese music wafting up through the David. It's so deep. From the other side of the globe but my. What I've learned because I, find the sport fascinating and better than that I love the clubs. I don't mean the things you swing with I, mean the golf clubs, golf courses the you know the clubhouse, just the ambiance, the whole business it just makes me very happy to be there and there's always. A signature hole or T. Where you can get this. It's the Kodak Up. It's it's that moment for the perfect photo of something. And in different places in Ireland or Scotland, that might be a castle. The one that comes to mind is at floors castle in Kelso Scotland. It's the fourteenth hole there people I'll never forget it and we went out in a buggy. Golf Cart but that's what they would call it so that we could get the picture of the castle from the fourteenth hole on the golf course at the Roxborough Golf Club the thing I've learned is that people who golf don't WanNa. Golf. In the same place every day while they're away, but they do want to golf every day like the variety we've run out of time in this hour you've got to come back with us again sometime soon were flying i. It's travel with Stephanie Abrams. I'm delighted to have cow sheehy on the line with me. He's the mayor of Lake Havasu city and he's also the general manager of the London Bridge resort. There I have to ask you about your family history I though because in a past life, I was a Leprechaun and it's one of the reasons that we got marooned in Ireland in March because we went over in. February expecting to come home March eighteenth and Aer lingus let us know on March Fifteenth Fed we weren't flying. All tells closing and the BNB's and the INS and the restaurants and I think the pubs closed April one or the end of the month. But in order to survive until we got home on July twentieth, we had to rent a house. And we had to move to another house for the last two weeks in County Kerry which is all it was fabulous. There's a lot of Irish history. Because I think it was Tucson. Or maybe it was phoenix someplace was founded by an Irishman who came over with the kissed the doors. And So it's somewhere in there with a she he's wound up or do you just happen to float through later in life? Later Yeah we came through from Ireland to Chicago and the Michigan area, and then later I in life headed out West. So we're in Ireland do folks from your ancestors. You don't great question. I I actually don't have. I'm going to I'm going to get that answer I'll. That's the first time I've questioned. I have to tell you of all places. You can get a good start with some of those online services, but Ireland nation has remarkable history. the churches have baptism records, births, deaths, graveyards. and. In cove, which used to be Queensland AH Queenstown in. County Cork where many of the ships left from they've got all kinds of records in Galway. There was a steamship they used to run from galway to Chesapeake Bay area, and that's how a lot of Irishmen got in and settled in the area around Delaware Baltimore and various areas around Virginia. But the the information is out there waiting for you when you're ready to go to Ireland do not go without talking to me I. because. I'll reach out to you for sure I will plan your trip, but there's a lot of there's a there are some really big. Irish. Organized clubs that are. Not. Far From Lake Havasu. And they probably can help to get into all your background history. You're going to find it fascinating. I can promise you that. So. Give us some insights I into. How is Lake Havasu and its environs coping with the challenges? Presented by this pandemic, and what are you doing to help give confidence to travelers? What's open? What's that open? What's being planned open where you're at? What's the again no Cecil poor and obviously the health and safety of our citizens and visitors is paramount to what we're doing especially right now, and we have a program called together that we have come together as an industry to put together and build confidence in folks that are looking to travel to like how the city area that includes. Restaurants and hotels and attraction and Safeway's field navigate your way through those different environments were fortunately how city that we have wide outdoor open spaces, and so we're able to physically distance and folks are able to enjoy boating and off roading and hiking and biking, and all of those things like how to city is known for without being impacted by other so. Old The business segments are open summer opened in modified capacities with limited indoor capacities the requirement for face coverings or masks and gyms and theaters fitness centers And Bar Environments and otherwise we are open and and we're recognizing importance of of safety and sanitation during these times and and things are moving forward in this area Well. Now. We're coming into now the cooler months of the year. So. Whereas maybe in. The summer months the hotter months of the year. you'd WANNA be inside words air conditioned or unless there's some you know external. Cold fans being you know pointed in the direction of people sitting outdoors. But at this time of the year I would think that it would be comfortable to you know have a meal on a dining terrace at some place so he didn't have to go inside. Very true. We have great outdoor dining options in in great patios throughout the community at many of our locally owned and operated restaurants But again, our our indoor facilities are open as well with limited capacity and believe it or not the summertime because of of the lake and our voting enthusiasts and families were just as busy The heat of the summer is we are as we enter into the cooler months out here like obviously city now when we had terrence. Can Cannon on with us a couple of times? Last year, it might have been three times last year. Because every time, we got into conversation that was so much more. We needed to talk about it told him. He had to come back again and he was gracious and generous his time and did. But we run through a list of things that the traveler whether the leisure traveler or the person that's coming with A. Civic Association group or a Business Group that they are. Involved with might find valuable to decide that the place they wanna be is like Havasu City Arizona could you remind me particularly but my audiences well, those who heard it once and maybe A little rusty as I am or missed those times when we had terrence on the air and he did a grand job but you know it's a question of constant reminder. So please. And again, if you've just joined us, we're talking with cal she the mayor of Lake Havasu city and the general manager of the London Bridge Resort in Lake. Havasu. Tell us. Besides the London Bridge, which we will get into what you mentioned the hiking biking. outdoorsy kind of active activities. What else is there? That will attract people? What is that I call it the Bingo moment. You. Know you can tell somebody one hundred things and though. Sounds Nice, and then you say you know and we have golf. or we've got a zoo or we've got you know a museum of stamps or something and and the individuals has Bingo I gotta go see that. So what are some of the things? City is is the people that you're going to in Congress. So when when you visit like how city we're certainly known for for outdoor recreation sore iconic world class events, and event lineup many of those are on pause right now during the pandemic but will resume when when it's safe to do so we also have water based activities. So that's you know voting. Off Road Exiting, boating, paddle boarding, and there's also tours if you're not. Interested in getting out there and and using your own boat, you can do a boat tour that will showcase are they amazing scenery. We have here in Lake Havasu city. I'll talk. Let me stop you at boating when you say boating. A wide range of things. Come to my mind I think of everything from kayaking and canoeing and row boats to motor boats and yachts. So what are you talking about when you say boating? Canoeing and. KAYAKING votes. Speedboats, and then votes that are meant for for to being and water skiing and wake boarding and all those things. We don't really have the have assumed do but every other type of of voting activity. I it's forty five miles long and A. West Coast? Well, you know you know what? I live in. Massachusetts. We think we have lakes. We don't have one body water in Massachusetts that qualifies as a lake. The biggest like the one I live on is really a great pond. It's six hundred and fifty acres. So when you say you've got a lake. Lake George, which is humongous Lake champlain also humongous. But yeah, we're six hundred and fifty Acre Lake mostly used by the people who live on the lake and. It's a baby compared to you know I, Have Lake V. Forty five Mile Long Lake that's a serious lake. It is. It's it's such a diverse like from you folks to like to fish or folks that just want to recreate. But there's also a great restaurants and great destinations that voters can find themselves to go through during the day. So they they can break up other experience by going to dining in restaurants that are along the lake or some really great developed campsites and hiking areas that are only accessible through a water. So let's talk about that a little bit because there is nothing. That will make you feel. More uplifted. Then the decadent feeling of getting on a boat. And pulling up at a dock, tying up the boat at getting off and walking to a dining terrace or restaurant. And having a meal going out to dinner by boat. Very sexy. Sexy. So how many places on the lake would you say that forty five mile long length? Would you have choices of going out by boat and tying up somewhere and having dinner? So in central catastophe area, there are several half a dozen. As, you head head south on the lake there's areas of southern portion. At Parker Dam and then as you head north on the lake there are areas at the very northern portion of like how as you start making your way up the Colorado River. Wow This is why I fell in. Love with can cannon and I'm falling in love with you cal she. I mean, this dazzles the imagination I'm one one you know and this is such. A challenging time for every American? You need to get away for your own sanity or as my mother used to say, if we don't go away and I don't get a break. We're going to give the money that we would have invested in this breakaway to the doctors. and. The fact of the matter is that I don't remember what the exact percentages are. But if you go by the eighty percent twenty percent rule, it's probably eighty percent of the illnesses that befall the human body are created from stress and I can't think of a more stressful time in my life. Can You? Know Yeah, this is a very challenging and and our times we're going through right now how do you get to Lake Havasu and let's start with if you were driving because we've got a lot of listeners that are in Texas They're in New Mexico there in the that whole big circle that goes around El Paso and the were hurted I'm trying to think of the names of the towns now look ashamed midland. Odessa on the on the western border of Texas so that they're closer to New Mexico and makes them even closer to you if they wanted to just hop in the jalopy and take a ride. Yet definitely like the city is located dive conveniently on the West Coast for two hours south from the Las Vegas airport were three hours north west of Phoenix in the Metropolitan Valley of the sun were about three and a half to four hours from the La area about five hours from from Tucson. So I it also allows people that want to take a west coast road trip to make. Their way through like how to city on their way to the Grand Canyon or vice versa. So we're just a couple hours away from the Grand Canyon and an hour and a half away from grand. Canyon West. So we're really have a really good central location here on the West Coast for people to visit and be able to see the great American southwest. Well, one of the things I remember. And it seems like it's gotTa be a whole lot of. Years in a whole lot of decades ago was London Bridge leaving England and winding up in Arizona. We're GONNA take a quick break and come back and find out about the London Bridge and London Bridge resort in Lake Havasu. It's travel with Stephanie Abrams I. Promise You visit with Cal. She. Who is the mayor of lake? Havasu city Arizona. And the general manager of the London Bridge resort there. And they actually have the London Bridge and I have to tell you that came to mind because I thought to myself. You know there are people that would like to go to Europe before this year is over or maybe early next year and they're just too many obstacles in the way of that. In the foreseeable future. But there are places like Holland, Michigan? And Dublin Ohio. And Lake Havasu Arizona where you will find enough that makes you feel in this order that you are in. The Netherlands in Holland that you are in Dublin Ohio or somewhere in Ireland in Dublin Ohio and that you've got. A bit of the Brits hanging about because the London Bridge. Is there I mean that's a remarkable story by itself. We'll get into it I wanNA. Thank you so much for making the time for us today. Cal. Thanks for joining us. Have you been mayor. You. I've just been mayor for two years and and thank you for having me Oh. It's a it's a joy and how long have you been the general manager of the London Bridge resort. For about eighteen years now started on this property as a housekeeper when I was in high school and I kind of worked my way through the various functions of of resorts and resort management and have been leading the Organization for about eighteen years I'm so glad you said that. To tell you and my every time I hear this from a general manager they started in the dining room they started in the kitchen they started in landscaping on the property they started somewhere else they they were doormen. They were they were porters. They were somewhere else on the property. Working at the front desk and. Move, through a series of promotions learned what the the hotel business was all about so that they could ascend to be the top gun at a hotel or resort, which is the general manager. The buck stops there. And so. And too often I hear when. It's usually from somebody I've met casually whose child wants to take a job. At the front desk or in the kitchen or a in housekeeping, and it doesn't sound glamorous to the parents. And they're kind of discouraging and it's like Now, that's the path to the future. Isn't it? Yes it is the travel and tourism is is such an amazing industry where you get to meet so many great people about colleagues in the industry and guests that you enter are introduced to over the years, and it really is the gateway into this industry is through our our positions and housekeeping front desk and in the kitchen so I, it's a really fantastic industry that way so has this been. This hotel, the only hotel you've ever worked. No I worked at one of their property that when I was fourteen cleaning rooms on the beaches of northern Michigan. So I started there, and then when my family moved out here, my sophomore year of high school, I started here at London Bridge. Resort. It was basically resort in traverse city Michigan. Where actually heard and traverse city Michigan did you know that? Yeah yes. There are people there that remember you from when. Traverse City Michigan what am and FM? Twelve forty am one oh, point one FM and in Arizona we're very happy that we are heard in Lake Havasu and the station is hang on look for it. I wish I could remember all of them happily there too many to remember. K N T R FM ninety four point three in Lake Havasu Arizona so. We're talking about you today. So. At. What point did you decide that? You're going to undertake not only being the general manager of a resort which is. Overwhelming. Twenty Four. People say twenty, four, seven. I think it's more like twenty, nine twelve. I would agree. It's an all consuming job. At what point did you society? You know? I can make a difference politically locally as well. I'm going to go out to be mayor. Local government is where the rubber hits the road and you know this is how we live in and what impacts citizens on. So the roads that our citizens says, drive on water that comes out of the Faucet. When they turn on on the water, those types of things are what happens at the local level and it's honored to be able to to be a leader in Lake Havasu city help lead us into the future. Okay. Four we gotta take a quick break. We're GONNA come back and have a nice unbroken period where we can chat more. Don't be people the Stephanie. Abrams. We'll be right back. We welcome to travel with Stephanie Abrams. Well. Thank you for joining us our please remember. That we have My goodness. As. So many new things going on I don't even know where to begin but do remember that the website you WanNa look at for podcast archived audio show notes with names of our guests information about them basic information about who they are where they're from and the links to the relevant websites associated with them. You're GonNa, find that all add our. Work in progress new website. S Abrahams Dot net s Ab Ams dot net. And remember. That you'll find the archived audio, the podcasts photo galleries. My blogs, all that jazz where if you're just joining us for the first time ever or the first time since. The Eighteenth of August we were hacked and we were butchered and we were demolished a site that's been up since two thousand. One. Painful. Don't ask hundreds of thousands of photos. But the good news, a lot of it we have on discs and chips and backed up in places and. But the time that it takes to reassemble is just so bear with US please but in the meantime were very proud of what's there so far. And the good news is that if you missed any part of today's show, if you have to leave us before this hour is over before today's show is over. You know that you go to s Abrahams Dot com no. As Abrahams Dot. Net Old Habits die hard. And you know that we are carried by just about every podcast or you could name on the planet. So even for the older shows. Now sometime back last year a couple of times. We on a fellow from Lake Havasu city. In Arizona. And it occurred to me later that we had him on once very briefly. When we were doing some features about Pismo beach. California and he was on to talk about his hotel because they were hosting some wine festival thing going on whatever. But the focus was really on Pismo beach. So we didn't spend a whole lot of time talking about is hotel. But. He has an unusual name like the name of a movie star or a writer. Stays terrence. Can Canon. And you don't forget a name like that. So one day. I got a PR release or a news release from somewhere because I get alerts from everybody on the planet. Wanting to keep me up to date on what's cooking in America. And and the rest of the world and There was a story about this fellow. Who's the CEO of? A tourist board in Lake Havasu Arizona. Now, how many parents can cannons can there be in the world? So I tracked him down, we did old home week. He was a wonderful interview and he gave us so much in in terms of insights and information all the reasons why you'd WanNa be visiting there. And we launched about two weeks ago. A new focus for us here. Because for the moment. Our. passports. Are. Pretty. Worthless. They're going to start opening up again. There are lots of places November I. Particularly in the Caribbean and some other places in the world, you're going to start seeing a whole lot more. About the welcome Mat being available. There are still places in the world where you're welcome as an American but you're expected to go into quarantine for fourteen days, which means whether it's business or pleasure that's not going to fit your agenda. Go will land somewhere and then hold up and I'll tell someplace for fourteen days. So. We've been focusing the last couple of weeks. We will more and more on stay and play USA my little invention. Stay in. Play USA. And if you have any feelings about how the best way is for you to travel travel that way. I want to introduce you to places that we can find out. I we have to talk about the elephant in the room. And that is what are you doing to give us the confidence that if we come to visit you, we're GonNa go home the same or better, and we're not going to take with us anything we didn't want. and. So we really have to focus on that. So that, you've got the information, you need the real information, not somebody's spin on this story coming from the Horse's mouth from the people who deliver the products and services to be able to bring us May to all of us up to date on. What's going on in this destination? What are you doing? To sanitize the place. and. You know every everything from you know, are you dipping your buildings into disinfectant? But. What are you doing with people and with? Everything, you need to walk past walk through touch along the way. To give us confidence in traveling because that's really the key here, and when we get past that little bit, we need to focus a why would we want to go there anyway. Why would we want to choose your destination from other options? How those of you who have been listeners from at least last year? And those of you I hear from all the time going back to when we first went on the air in two, thousand and two. You know that. My focus is on sharing with you destinations and suppliers in those destinations and travel industry. If you're nudo suppliers are hotels and resorts and car rental companies and Attractions and others who are they're supplying the services for the visitor. And so my mission is to connect you with destinations. And those folks in those destinations that provide the products and services for the travel industry. That I believe if you go there, you will come home enriched enhanced inspired and uplifted, and that's the criteria we use to determine who gets on the air But we have to add one more factor down. And that is that you come home enriched enhanced inspired and uplifted and either as good or better than when you left home. And that along the way you're not getting yourself into any trouble. And so I decided I wanted to catch up frankly with Darrin skin gallon because we haven't spoken to him in well, we were in Ireland, from February till July because we couldn't home in March. So sometime last year was the last time I spoke with him. And his plate must be overflowing because I just could not catch up with him. And I started to look at it. You know I really WanNa talk about this destination because when we start to talk about it today, it's going to blow you away. If this is the first time you're hearing about it, but we're going to be hearing a new voice and that always brings us a new perspective. So I went out looking for Well. Let me take a look at maybe the mayor's office. And I came up with the mayor. and His name is cal she. Which makes me think he's an Irishman which makes me think I love him already. And I made a call. And I got somebody in his office on the phone with me and she was a doll and if I'm not making an error, her name was Shannon and what she told me her name I knew she was adult. Comes naturally to people in Ireland and if you're lucky, it actually comes down through the generations to the descendants. I have to tell you that doesn't always work sometimes, it gets lost along the way because of distance. But in any event. So. This wonderful woman on the phone said, she would help me connect with cal she the mayor of Lake Havasu and I thought. Well, you know what? Let me go have a look into his background little and you can find out anything online. It's really remarkable. And in doing that I found out, he's also. Somebody embedded in the travel industry de now wonderful that is. I don't know. I'm sure the people knew what they were doing when they voted him in as mayor. But if you are in a tourism destination. Having people that run your local government. Who Come Out of the travel industry makes all the difference in the world because most politicians don't get it. Frankly, and I've interviewed them they don't get it. They don't understand how important travel and tourism is to most destinations almost every destination. And they shortchange the Torres Sport or they make decisions that go against the grain for the traveler and the travel industry, they're making money mental mistake, and you have to give them all education before they understand what they're what they're even thinking about doing. So. When you get somebody who comes out to travel and tourism and it reminds me go to s Abrahams Dot net s Apr Ams Dot Net Click on testimonials. And Click on the testimonials from Jimmy. Dean. Eoghan in Ireland and Alan Chacin. In Saint Lucia Allen is a hotelier. When I interviewed him the little testimony will you're GonNa hear the audio clip. was came out of a live broadcast. And at the time, he and his family owns three hotels. He later became the minister of Tourism for Saint Lucia. Since two thousand sixteen, he's been the prime minister of Saint Lucia. That's a tourism destination. Yes. They have other stuff going for them, but it is a tourism destination and when you've got leaders of your government who come out of travel and tourism. They understand they get it. And so I was thrilled to learn that the mayor, of Havasu, city Arizona his also the general manager of the London Bridge. Resort. And we're going to talk with him after these important messages. So stay with me people were going off to Arizona after these messages.

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