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Oh, hey, you're all pop dad here just flipping pancakes and a flannel robe alley ward back with another episode of allergies. So listen, my birdies, I know it's been dark. We had a voting episode. We had an apocalypse episode. But you know, what we're alive the world is full of people dancing. It bought mitzvahs and there's frogs and surprise parties. And there's the smell of tiger lilies. And there are coyotes howling right now, they're set that feeling of going through a car wash on a Sunday or still alive. People wanna fix things sadness doesn't get shit done. Sometimes we just have to take a breather. And just enjoy the moment. So I present you an episode that is harvest as Faulk about feasts feasts. But I eat this. My thanks. Thank you to everyone who supports on patriotic as little as twenty five cents an episode gets you into that club. Thank you to everyone who clothes your body's in all Ogies, merch dot com items. Also, if you didn't know this. Rating and subscribing to your favorite podcasts. It keeps them up in the charts. So other people can see it also if you've been listening to this podcast, you know, that I creep your reviews, I read all of them, they make me so happy this week. I want to thank on forest for the review that said delightful and occasionally horrifying and the horrifying parts are the most delightful. Okay. So food anthropology. So the word food seems to derive from so many languages in anthro is Greek for human beings, so food anthropology is a study of how human beings chowed down. So this week's guest is a food historian. I met her over a decade ago when we were both staff writers at the LA times, she covered food, and then she moved up the ranks to be the LA weekly food editor before she jumped into the podcast realm. She has really really amazing food history podcast called smart mouth. I love it so much. She invites a guest talk about the history of their favorite food. I was on talking. Lobster rolls. And your buddy allergies editor Steven Ray Morris was her guest to discuss his undying allegiance to corn dogs. So I texted her last week and ask holy shit. Who talk about feasts for food anthropology episode right away shoes. Calia the next day. I was there. I spent part of my birthday in her living room with her dog Matilda discussing winter gorging just pop that top button on your trousers get comfy tuck, a napkin and near collar and get ready for a buffet of information with smart mouth podcast host and food. Anthropologist. Katherine spires. Now, do you know how microphones work could be done a park. No, I'm don't what is a podcast. I'm not actually sure. Fun. Okay. First question. Are you a culinary anthropologist or a food anthropologist? How'd you describe what you do? I love this question. Mainly because whatever I am. I'm self styled. Got to make it up on my own. I go with food anthropologist because I have a big thing about not being fancy for no reason and culinary is a little bit of a fancy word. It's a little town. Yeah. So tell me a little bit about your background with food. Okay. Because I've known you for a long time. Yes. You are so knowledgeable. I ask you all the time. We're shy. Go eat. What is this food where did this start with you? So I knew from very young age that I wanted to be a person who told other people where to spend their money. I always knew that was very important to me. So as a little kid, actually, my grandma got me a subscription to Conde nast, traveler magazine, are you kidding? Yeah. Like, I've I had was a subscriber to that starting when I was like eight years old. I don't know what to tell you. Yeah. And she had been a travel agent, and that was my dad's mom, and my mom's parents are extremely fancy people. And they started taking me to Europe when I was like twelve years old damn, I know or the the mom. It's gonna leave. So you you got a taste for luxury as a young does that fuck with your mind forever? Oh, absolutely. Okay. Catherine says that essentially part of being part of her grandparents entourage was an extremely privileged way to see the world. But it also helps her to learn early on that just because something is expensive or touted as good. It doesn't mean that it really is. Also, we don't always stay in the same socio economic bracket that were raised in people who grow up comfortable, shall we say don't always lead that life as adults now in terms of your career. Have you been able to obviously maintain that level of luxury at what point did your life? Did you kind of like come down from rice go? Hi, I'm a journalist. I make four dollars a year. So that's actually a big part of the conversation around lifestyle journalism in food journalism. It's like all these people out here. They're just doing it to get free stuff. It's like, well, we don't get paid for anything. Which is why you got this issue of people who are like, I'm a food writer because my spouse is a doctor or what have you? So it's a really limited group of people who can be food writers. And that is a big part of why I am changing direction in terms of not just trying to write for publication anymore because I'm doesn't pay the bills, and I'm thirty six years old. And I'm as broke as I've ever been, and it's ridiculous. So side note when Catherine and I worked together at the LA times, they charged us for parking and for coffee. The coffee was not free even the Cremers cost fifteen cents each and then our budget got slashed, and they discontinued our water cooler. So we had to bring gallons of water to work to keep under our desks in case, we got thirsty and one day. Our old boss asked me if she could have a glass of water, and I was like, oh, oh the person who stopped giving us water would like some water anyway journalism. It's very less. Squizi in real life kids. What did you study in college religious studies? Really, well, tell you it's because I started interning at the Seattle times when I was in high school, and there was one woman in particular and editor who was like just don't major in journalism, then you'll know how to write a cover story, but you won't know anything about the world. Oh, I thought that was such an interesting point. And I think I still do Catherine applied to UC Santa Barbara just figuring. She wanted to major in history, but they had religious studies. And I was like that seems like history, but like more specific check the box. I got in the knife found out that it was like the best religious studies program in the country. And I was like well all day. Ma'am. How to land here? Yeah. Exactly. So that worked out really well, and I actually think it fits in perfectly with knowing about food because anytime you're talking about like culture and history smashing together. People eat a wall just yesterday found myself eating thing, we all we all eat clearly. Yes. But not all of us necessarily have a pallet or the ability to describe it or the interest to go research it. Yeah. So what point did you realize? Okay. Religious study major. But I think journalism smaller, I think specifically food. Well. Is sort of. I think it actually started with wanting to be a travel writer, but for me the coolest thing about traveling is eating like, wow. Okay, food. And I just think the I I don't remember when I became aware of the fact that you could like learn about culture by learning about food. I actually think one thing I can think of is a year or two after I moved to Los Angeles after college I realized this was in length. So this would have been like two thousand five so this was the aero when like Hollywood had gotten like cool again, and like we were clubbing. And like Paris Hilton was the thing, and it was all very flashy. You're talking to someone that went weekly to Steve AO DJ night. You need not remind I'm so sorry. Those a weird time. But all the restaurants that we're opening like in Hollywood on Hollywood Boulevard, and like all the servers were wearing tube tops, and they were serving like finger food type stuff and everyone was serving popcorn shrimp. Yeah. They weren't calling it that they were calling it like fried rock shrimp. It's frigging popcorn shrimp. And I remember specifically being like I'm seeing so many restaurants, do this they'll call themselves different things and say that they have like a different style of food, but they're all serving ding dang popcorn shrimp. What is that? And I think I was like, oh, you can like figure out a culture by just like looking at menus. And honestly, one of my favorite activities. Just in my own personal time is just looking at old menus both the Los Angeles public library in the new York Public Library. And I'm sure others are doing really good job of cataloging old menus holy shit. Yes. How old are we talking a back to the hundreds? No, what did they eat back? Then was it all mutton much turtle soup? No, just left and right turtle soup who Where'd they go these cut him turtle. Well, we don't know anymore because they ate them. All. What is the turtle soup? Is it actually turtle super mincemeat pie? That's actually made us realise turtle. Yeah. Young. Yeah. That tastes like what I wonder when we stopped eating it. And I honestly think it was when we killed them all is like people used to eat beaver tail. You can't do that anymore because there just aren't enough to eat. Oh my God. Yeah. Okay. So quick aside. I looked this up and turtles holy shit. I am so sorry. So in the southern United States and oddly in Philadelphia, this was a very popular food now it's dark Brown. It contains frigging turtles, and it said to taste a lot like gravy, which is how I imagine all food tasted like a hundred years ago. I just feel like everything was gravy. So turtle soup was made usually from snapping turtles. And according to one eighteen eighty one recipe, I just gagged and cried through it recommends quote procure a fine lively fat turtle weighing about one hundred twenty pounds as their fact is not liable to be impregnated with that disagreeable strong flavor objected to in fish of larger size first off. Off a turtle is not a fish old dead person. And also taking breeding adults out of the population led to them being in peril. So in many parts of the country. This sad endangered gravy bowl is illegal now on the topic of researching Catherine served up a steaming hot tip that when you Wikipedia something just go straight to the site at articles because they're juicier, and this I take are there for a reason. So she also relies on economic papers for her research, even if she has to sometimes pay for access, which soaks or beg a grad student friend to just get the info from behind a paywall. Like, hey, can you squirmy me a PDF did come on, man? And then what are you looking for? When you are researching episode or writing an article, are you looking for basics. Are you looking for like the derivation of a dish? And we're at went like what what's your jam when you're looking something up. I think it's a pens on the audience for the way. I do smart mouth the podcast. I is that as often as I can I'll ask a person to tell me how to time I'll be like just hit me with like some of your favorite foods, just like whatever is at the top of your head. And then I read through them and either I know off the bat, or I research, which one's gonna have the most interesting backstory, sometimes people are too general people have said things like anything fraud. Yeah. Exactly. If you actually get a little bit more specific in ISE, something like enchiladas than we can go into like why those a the Nicastro pan and why they have sauce on them do. Okay. Tex Mex is fascinating. Because I didn't know that like a bunch of German Jews had moved to Texas in eighteen hundreds. Really? Yeah. I went down a very deep hole looking up. Flour tortillas versus corn tortillas in their history. Anyway, Tex-Mex, it's a fusion. Yeah. And the reason why it uses a lot of package food was because of the railroad expansion into Texas. It's got actual goosebumps being like, oh my God. Every every food has some crazy back story xactly like Gartner soap-opera. Yes. Now, let's talk about feasts. Yes. And also seasonal food trends because my mean, we eat differently in the springtime in the winter in the summer. Let's talk about winter fees. Yes. Do you love them? Do you hate them? Are you over them to end to speak them? I love them in the abstract. I live in Los Angeles. Where there's no such thing as seasons anymore or eat a. Yeah. Right. It's stupid to be like, oh, I can't wait to fill up on these mashed potatoes because it's sixty seven degree like come on. Why do you think from an anthropological point of view? We just want to hunker down. And just get a blow Roly poly and have insulin comas and the winter because we need the warmth from the calories. And also it's boring 'cause it's dark out. Okay. Born each. Yeah. Exactly. Like you want to eat. And also, you don't mind sleeping more where we are bears. Essentially like we follow the bear lifestyle. I mean in the wild are lipid stores are Bank accounts. Yes. Yeah. I feel like when you see when you see a Donka donc bear that bears wealthy with fats. Yes. You know, which I suppose in the winter, we do need that do you when it comes to feasting in the winter? What was it like historically endure in any part of the world? You can think of like did did we eat things? We'd put in the root cellar in the summer or do. We just find what was available whereas food coming from. So your point about lipids being wealth actually placed humanity to in like in our whatever this age is that we're living in now. And everyone's supposed to be skinny were all messed up so historically being plump as a Partridge was a compliment in America until about the eighteen forties. When this Presbyterian minister. Slash diet. Guru named Sylvester said that moral women should follow plane, abstinent diet devoid of spices and indulgences. Lest it lead to civil disorder aka being able to kick the ass of the patriarchy is what I'm assuming. So this man semester Graham advocated for eating vegetables and his special biscuits, which was the start of the Graham cracker industry. Now. I hope he is watching from cosmic afterlife pod as little girls. Learn to start their own fires roast marshmallows on them. And then squashed them between his health food. Licking indulgences off of charred sharpened sticks and forming bonds that will topple their oppressors. Also, good to note that despite America's appreciation of food hunger is still a big fucking issue. And one in six Americans are what are called food insecure. Meaning that hunger is an issue. So I looked this up and action against hunger. USA is. Is rated pretty high on charity, watch dot org. In case, you're looking to make a donation or you could always get involved in your community or help out a family that might need it invite some folks to your feasts the season. And if you're having a big meal with family and friends, even if your relatives are telling you the same stories that you've heard for years, just take a sect to appreciate that. You can all dine together that you have the resources to even eat biologically. That's a very very lucky thing. Like, if you're having a feast in the winter that means you can afford sugar and salt who you are out of control wealthy. Yeah. So a lot of it. There's different kinds of feasting, and we like to think of feasting as being like celebrations, and like we're all in this together. And we're all celebrating, and we're all having a good time. But humans being what they are historically a lot of fees are an opportunity to show off basically two stunt on your neighbors. No. Coming. I hope she she tried to give her a nice party in part of it could be as simple depending on like the era that you're in in the place that you live. Sometimes it is simple as being like. Oh, I'm sorry. You hadn't seen this fruit in six months. I've got it whatever. Yeah. It's preserved, but I've still got it. And you don't because it means like the again, you have the ingredients to do it. You have the time when you're not out just trying to do subsistence farming to like preserve things for later. You have time to plan ahead being able to plan ahead is also another rich person things still to this day. So did peasants not have winter feasts harder to and that's so that's part of the the mixture of celebration and stunting on people is that lots of times like the Lord of the manor would throw a feast for the serfs, and that was partly to be like, thank you. But also to be like see how great I am to you on lake. Don't don't affect. To another farm because I've got the best fees in town. God that's like the pit ame- of weird flex. But. Okay. He's so so okay, I was hoping going into this. It'd be like feasts Saotome we all love each other. But it's really like feasts. It's a time. When you roar your Lamborghini passed a bunch of people waiting to get into a club. I mean, I think it probably really depends on your view of human nature. Okay. And where I'm coming from is everyone's an asshole. So this is really a matter of if you're goblet of mold wine, or I guess if you're sitting at the kids table, your juice glass of flat Martinelli cider is half empty or half full. No. But sometimes people are nice to each other, especially with religious fees. It's interesting that the oldest evidence of feasts that we have actually comes from art rather than archaeology. Oh, because I guess it's not like chicken bones in a casserole dish wooden preserve that. Yeah. That could well be it fees often come from offerings to the gods as well. It's like a party, but also an offering. So they have like basically like pottery shards from like ancient China and Sumeria which is Iraq. Now one through line that you'll see in them is alcohol. Oh, and I actually think this is part of stunting to maybe not sending to the God. But being like yoga, we spent months on this. It was taking up space for months, and we're giving it to you. Because anything that's for mended is like this is the thing that like we had to at least have in the back of our minds. It's kind of like how people are like, oh, my table scape is in impact. And you're like, well, congratulations that you didn't have to work overtime to afford health insurance. Time to table scape? That's great. Because I have two jobs. Yes. I mean, it's just like people talk about like Instagram, and how people are like doing it for the Graham. And like we kind of always have been. It's just that. Now, there's just one app that we can blame or Pinterest. We can blame Pinterest. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I like that too. But what what is it about American feasting because I feel like in today's day and age the holidays mean a lot of gatherings. And you know, there's there's the office holiday party. There's with your relatives. When did we start that tradition while I think that one thing that is at least semi unique about American culture is how self punishing we are not. Whereas, for instance, like Nepal and areas around that party a lot like they just like, this is here's a feast day. Here's a celebration. Let's do it. Don't go to school today. We're celebrating this thing that happened or this God, or whatever and Catholicism feast today's Mike are were pretty common, but sort of fell out a favor, and I would argue that at least in America part of not celebrating like every saints feast stay while it's because our cultural background is Protestant which was a reaction against Catholicism in Catholicism Catholics were always thought of maybe just like maybe you could tone it down with the partying. Maybe get a job. Really? Yes. It was too celebratory. There is too much richness link in the food and the clothes, and the pope the notion that the pope is just like a flashy narrow dwell like someone's drunk cousin who wears Prada but lives off credit cards is one that just will never leave me. But proud. Justin is I'm was partly a reaction to the Catholicism and how decadent it was. So this was like a we got to tighten up on these feast days. So you come over to America and not only were the first European colonizers? They had they were going back to like subsistence living they had to figure out how to form new foods, and like live with this new climate and all this kind of stuff so between that and also being like, stop partying. I think that on the rare occasion that we let ourselves live it up a little we really go for it. Oh my God. This is making so much sense. Because Americans take like the least vacation days yet. But we're the most obsessed with like wealth and mcmansions I feel like not actually living. Yeah. Our lives when we're alive. Yeah. Yeah. We do that my God. Okay. So when what's the history of American holiday season feasting, so where to even start with this one first prefacing the fact that we are talking about like northwestern. European traditions coming over to America starting in New England and spreading out from there. And so when the pilgrims on the pilgrims came and landed at Plymouth rock. Racism is so interesting because the American public school system is inherently white supremacist, but they also invented the lie that native Americans in pilgrims came together. To celebrate the first thanksgiving, we've I that's probably a lot to unpack. It is a lot to unpack. And I wanted to do a little digging here. Now first off thank you to everyone on native Twitter, everyone using hashtag for stepping in. When I asked your thoughts about thanksgiving and specifically to the amazing poet writer and designer Kenzi Allen and I'll link her Twitter in the show notes. She's of Oneida heritage in Wisconsin. And she sent me her thoughts. And she also pointed me toward some really good resources on this one publication Indian country today had a great article and interview from a few years back with Ramona Peters, she's the mashpee whump and on tribes tribal historic preservation officer. Now, she said in regard to the famed. Sixteen twenty one inaugural thanksgiving feast, she said the following thing. It was made up. It was ABRAHAM LINCOLN who used the theme of pilgrim's and Indians eating happily together because he was trying to calm things down during the civil war when people were divided. It was like a nice unity story for public relations. She said it's kind of genius in a way to get people to sit down and eat dinner together because families were divided during the civil war. Ramona Peters continues you've probably heard the story of house Cuanto assisted in their planting of corn. So this was their first successful harvest, and they were celebrating that harvest in planning a day of their own thanksgiving. And it's kind of like what some nations do when they celebrate by shooting guns in the air. So this is what was going on over there Plymouth. They were shooting guns and cannons as a celebration, which alerted us. She's meaning the Trump and ach tribe because we didn't know who they were shooting at so masses. So it gathered up some ninety warriors and showed up at Plymouth prepared to engage. Age if that was what was happening if they were taking any of our people, so it was a fact-finding mission. So that is how she said the first thanksgiving started. Of course, we have spun it into a tidier narrative of pilgrims and native Americans getting along. But it was not quite that. Sweet in this article Ramona Peters was asked if she'll celebrate thanksgiving anyway, and she said as a concept, a heartfelt thanksgiving is very important to me as a person it's important that we give thanks for me. It's a state of being you wanna live in a state of thanksgiving. Meaning that you use the creativity that the creator gave you you use your talents. You find out what those are and you, cultivate, them and that gives thanks in action. So that was a great article in Indian country today, and there are other wonderful. First person experiences us Bassani in American Indian dot sl dot EDU has some great articles as well. So thank you to my new Twitter friend Kenzi Allen for those. I asked her she'll celebrate and she. He said for me thanksgiving can be a data love and honor family, and to remind myself of the creators gifts for others. It still represents a painful warping of our histories, and it's important for each of us to start doing the work of unlearn ING harmful and bias narratives and to appreciate the resilience and strength of native peoples surviving hundreds of years of genocide. So you may not be celebrating traditional American thanksgiving. Perhaps you don't live in the United States. Perhaps it's not a holiday that. You celebrate. But in general, especially during the cold winter, months, appreciating your family and your life, not a bad idea. But getting back to the food history. I think the way that we've been able to wiggle in the lie that native Americans were there is that most of the foods at this feast would've been foods that were familiar to Europeans except for corn. And they did have corn. But it was something. It was like the only thing that when European showed up there were like the fungus this and what? Does one do with it? And they had to be taught by the locals, whereas opposed to actually the first thanks giving was nothing like the thanksgiving's that we have now except for that. Ooh. There's going to be big. Okay. What stayed the same? It did have squashes. Oh, okay. Squashes? What else was on the yield menu? So much meat basically any kind of meat you could get which was Turkey wild turkeys, which don't look like the turkeys. The we now, but it is the same animal, and then venison and seafood, which actually even to this day seafood is a bigger part of the New England thanksgiving menu than it is anywhere else. Yeah. Wasters in muscles are a big part of it. Really? What are they doing with them? Sometimes just eating them like normal people. But sometimes. Waster stuffing, quick barf, Brad fired. You're not a fan of oyster stuffing. I will admit I've never had it. Okay. It's one of those things that I'm like, I am good. Thank you. Hard, pat. Yes. What is it wasters in the stuffing? Is that the whole deal? Okay. Yeah. That's good. Well, okay. You are a big ole seafood person. Yeah. Be anywhere else. She's my home my religion. You could say I'm Randy for wasters. Yes. And I talked to that oceanologists who said they clean the water, and you can find good farmed once and I was like killer it. Yeah. So I don't mind that. But so you're saying the first thanksgiving more meat deer turkeys, always tres muscles. And all the other poultry, they could find everyone's I could find and shoot before they flew away. They were like, yes, let's do some of this. And what I think you can sort of see how things changed for people in like the the changing thanksgiving menu. Because for one thing again, they didn't have a lot of herbs and spices back then because those were wildly expensive. They hadn't figured out how to use the new ones they hadn't figured out. How to grow the ones they brought from Europe roasted flesh just tastes good on its own. You don't have to do a lot with it. The way that you do have to do with side dishes that need a lot of different ingredients. And again it survival food. They had an abundance of meat, which is rare. But they weren't like coming up with new recipes there like we it's not alive, not wiggling. Let you get exactly. The idea of having like flavored food think as northern European started traveling the globe there were like what the hell this tastes good taste is that even a word what? So sad. They're like, more boiled potatoes. Yes, suicide note potatoes by the by are not Irish by any means there from South America originally. And then the Spanish were like, oh, heck these are Delitzsch brought him to Europe all of Europe was on board and then Europeans brought them back to North America. So that they could eventually evolve into frozen tater tots that we pour from a bag into a VAT of boiling oil, which I love and we'll dip into really anything like, including a ram akin of paint is still good. And now when did let's say like thinks giving feast become a widespread American phenomenon. And what's changed? It just in the last at least decade of us like getting hip to the fact that it's all apocryphal. Okay. So. Thanksgiving for a long time who's really only celebrated in New England. Oh, basically, the people whose grandparents were there. Oh my God. That's like west Docker. Jesus. Exactly. So I really think it was Intel around probably like just after the civil war that the rest of the country got into the idea. Okay. And you can still to this day see regional differences in what people consider necessary for thanksgiving dinner. Oh my God. Like is this going to be all about green bean casserole? It's largely about green bean casserole where where does that come from who did that? Okay. There are just I there's so many different ways to talk about thanksgiving yet. There's a very specific woman who invented green bean casserole Gina she actually passed away a couple of weeks ago. No, she was in the news, but she actually contributed so much to American culinary culture and culture at large her name, dorks Riley, and she died just a few weeks ago you guys in late October of two thousand eighteen at the age of ninety two. She created so many recipes for Campbell Soup. I read that. Apparently, she said she didn't even remember making this one up. Okay. So Campbell's estimates that forty percent of all cream of mushroom soup that they sell is used to make green bean casserole. I myself have never had it. I'll be honest. I've only seen it in the wild like once or twice and like a wild animal. It scares me. Like, it seems to be a dish consisting of like withered beans, bonded, by wages, and then topped with fried worms. I don't understand it. I sincerely apologize by just run your life. You should know that I was scared of candle wasters for many decades. And now, I eat them. Over the sink like someone who's running from the law. So don't trust. My opinions. There was a phenomenon that started around than Nyunt around nineteen hundred and lasted like probably until the eighties. And that is food companies the ones that sell packaged food process food writing their own recipes in house and sending them out both as recipe booklets. But also sending them to newspapers to be published in the newspapers. Oh, yeah. And the recipes could be good, bad indifferent. But it was mainly about selling the products that these companies made so green bean casserole was invented by this food scientists who worked for a food company as a way to use cream of mushroom soup. Wow. Yeah. And I think people always talk about the cream of mushroom soup, but the the package fried onions you buy from the can. Oh, yes have been way to sell those as well. Because I don't know what else those are used for. I've never heard of another use other than like packing peanuts. Attic insulation. Have you ever had green bean casserole? I've tried it. But this is actually one of the things that speaks to regionalism in America is that screaming house role was invented for Campbell's soup company, and they're not located in the south. But it is a dish that took off more in the south. And I grew up in Seattle. So my experiences thanksgiving is very different than someone who grew up in Georgia or something the dishes are different. What are some other dishes? That are pretty regional are some people like where a canned smooth cranberry sauce state, and others are like chunky and others are like we make it on stuff that one I think is in regional necessarily. Okay. Cranberries. Side note are native to the northeast United States. They get their name because the plants look like cranes. They were originally called crane, berries, y'all PS. They don't grow into bog. I just found that out they grow on vines on the ground. And then the field is flooded to form a bog just so the berries, float and can be harvested. So most of the time they're not in a bog apparently ocean spray is like we know we know our commercials confuse people now according to Smithsonian Americans eat over five million gallons of cranberry sauce just during the holiday season. Now the started being sold in nineteen fourteen. Thanks to a former lawyer who bought a bog and made a business out of it. He's like kids we bought a bog his name Marcus urine. You're ran I I mean, it's uncanny. It's uncramps you guys at the time. He probably didn't realize just how many uranium tract infections that he would help. But that's like a whole 'nother allergy what is ridge. So is sweet potato casserole. Okay. That's another southern one. That is another company created recipe. It was a marshmallow company. I think it was called Angeles. And they hired a woman who like wrote a cooking magazine in like the nineteen twenty s to find out how to like convince people use marshmallows more. Oh my God. One of her inventions did feasting like this really take off you said after the civil war. But like after the night like the turn of the century nineteen hundreds like industrial era. When did we see an explosion in this kind of eating? So it wasn't until the nineteen thirties that petitions to make it a national holiday really picked up. Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. They're like, let's close these banks guide to have a Tatum. Exactly, exactly. So it had been and that's part of it had just been a New England thing, and then like the rest of the country kind of caught on and more people wanted to do it and make an all day thing. So it was Franklin Roosevelt who. To make the decision of which day to place it how they decide it was such a huge fight in one year. There were two thanksgivings stop. Yeah. Because they couldn't decide Roosevelt had said fourth Thursday in November. And then the Republican congress got together, Roebuck majority. Congress got together with the business leaders association of America, whatever it was in there. Like, no make it the third one because they wanted people to be able to shop for Christmas and feel okay about it for longer. Really? So there was one year where like the it hadn't been voted on yet or whatever. So there were two like, I don't know how people figured out which one to do or if it was just a total chaos, but then Roosevelt's idea eventually won out. But in the nineteen thirties there was like a lot of madness who wear to place thanksgiving. And circles, it's very. Thanksgiving being a little bitch since sixteen twenty one. Well, I imagine given your passion for food and food writing and food culture food history, the idea of an atomic no feast and a gathering is something to look forward to. But how do you think we should be celebrating it? Well, one thing that I think is really great is since America is a melting pot of people as people from all over the world, adding there twists to it. Like Chinese Americans will often do like barbecue pork instead of Turkey, for instance, or thanksgiving food having nothing to do with the traditional feast. But for people wherever they came from in the world wherever their ancestors came from being like, oh, this is a feast day, we're going to cook our favorite food. We're like our traditional food from like the country where a great grandparents were born or whatever and. I think that actually is so much more meaningful. So maybe letting letting thanksgiving and letting the feast holidays more from our traditions, which aren't even really that traditional less than one hundred years old come on. Yeah. There are like bottles of wine that are older than our thanksgiving traditions, like whatever, but letting it still be about gathering, maybe about how do you feel about the gratitude aspect of the thanksgiving holiday does your did your family sit around and be like, what are we here for for? Our was your family like pass Ajello watch the game. Don't talk to me about feelings, man. So I my I think my family has a strong distrust of earnestness. Okay. So the idea of people saying what they're grateful for and meaning it and doing it in front of other people. Oh god. No. Thank you. Mr. Just like the disgust emoji. Just like oh God. No. To you know, in once or twice, I think I've I've been to other people's thanksgivings, and like though sit around and be like, I'm grateful for this that in my family, my family's really funny, and amazing and wonderful. But that's not our vibe. Right. And so and I always felt like well shit. If we're going to eat this much butter like, we should also get some therapy out of it. I don't know where I don't know what the divide is. Maybe it's not a west coast thing. Maybe it's a New England thing. My god. Maybe I have no idea. No. I think I feel like I've been witnessed to it. If you times on. That's why I know how uncomfortable. I am with it. I mean, it's the kind of thing I guess I would not be into. But Dilling be there when it happens and also I don't it is therapy for some people. But for other people like me, I feel like it's torture. Like, what are you grateful for own my God, rainbows next? Please. Don't make me do this. We're not having like a moment. But what if okay I did? I did a short episode called grateful. Allergy is not a word where I last year. I put it out. It was just like a quick one. But it was about the institute in at UC Berkeley that studies gratitude, and what effects that has from like a neuro bio- biological level. And it was like, yeah. It does help. Fuck. Oh from Oprah that we all should have gratitude journals. Okay. So stay tuned for next week's episode about gratitude. I there science behind it. Okay. And also, I'm grateful for you. I really am. What's been your favorite feast that you've ever attended? Well, so maybe not every year. But most years for the past ten years I've been going to a friend's giving. Ooh. I was going to ask about this who coined that. Which sitcom coin I know, right? I will and grace term like it would be. It's kind of flip the funny, but also people know what it means like instantly Sonoran fully agrees on the first use of the word, but it's rumored to derive from the American sitcom friends. Although it was never uttered on the show itself. Now, the first written forms popped up on Twitter around two thousand five and then in twenty eleven Bailey's Irish cream may have made it pandemic they were encouraging twentysomethings to toast, Friendsgiving. And then hashtag it. Also, my spell check didn't even bother to read underlying it so friends giving is officially a word it's woven into the fabric of our holiday vocabulary. And we all love it. You love me. I can't believe that even if they've never heard it before. And you know, it's not nothing is ever in a vacuum. It's absolutely because people move to different cities. Now, this was not people used to have holidays with their biological families instead of their families of choice, which is another term that you hear so much more. Now, just because people move a lot more much further distances. So I think it's cool to hang out with people that you're hanging out with on purpose. Choo Choo choos me. Yeah. Exactly. But the other fun thing about a friend's giving is that you get to sample dishes from thanksgiving's around the country because you've got people from all over the country. So for instance, corn pudding, I had never had that before never heard of it. Oh, it is a Muffin Everett thing. Really? It is so good. Is it a corn bread? But with more milk, basically. Yeah. It's kind of in between corn bread and a souffle. Oh, it's so good. It's like the definition of of comfort food because it starch based its sugary, and it salty. It's perfection. So it hits every like dopamine. Yeah. Yeah. Your eyes start twitching when you eat it for sure if only it were just in the shape of a deck, you're like every dopamine receptors firing right now. Is there a dish a holiday dish that if someone brings it to a potluck? You're like get out. Why did you do that? Okay. Well, there's different reasons for saying get out. Okay. Right. Like, okay. So here's the thing. That's the most contentious item that you could put on thanksgiving table. I'm all ears salad. Really people have a pinions about salad at thanksgiving. And I will clarify that. I'm talking about green salad like a leaf based salad. Okay. Like a spring mix with the balsamic. Yes. Okay. And it's one of those things that sort of like, I think because. American culture when we party we go for it. We're like fuck your salad because we associated with health. Honestly like you could put like an entire roast pig. But if the base is lettuces, you'll get the healthy get outta here. We're like this is the this is the this season. We are supposed to be getting robust. Yeah. Exactly. Like save that for Coachella season. Yes. I also think it's not a special dish. And there so many dishes that we only eat on thanksgiving. And so we wanna like fill the table. I mean, basically cod last year at thanksgiving. I took a picture which to me is the funniest picture ever. It was the spread of food. And everything wasn't a casserole dish in everything was beige. And I was like you say you. Just starch just baked starch. Yes. And that's a difference too. In the way, that thanksgiving has evolved is that it used to be like eating meat was the fancy thing. But as America became more, industrialized wealthier, you see the addition of ingredients like every dairy product, that's something that only rich people can do. I never thought of it that way. Yeah. So you move away from meat being the special dish to like all the things that like take time and energy or you have to buy the you can't make yourself being like the star of the show like, for instance, mashed potatoes, which are my favorite thing ever. And I only eat them on thanksgiving. I think is one of those things where if I like allowed myself just eat mashed potatoes would be the only thing, and I would get gout like within two days. Them the day before yesterday, I ate them at every opportunity. I can if there were a vending machine in the airport that just spouted out mashed potatoes with like, no vessel. I would just get it in my hands. What do you do? You cook them yourself or do you like sample restaurant, mashed potatoes? Thank you for asking. And when I was in college, I used to just get the powdered flakes. O alley. I didn't I won't care. I'll fuck with anything. Man. I'll throw some sour cream in there. I don't care. I'll put some margarine. But when I'm when I'm at a restaurant, if mashed potatoes, come with, whatever entree, I will get that entree, no matter what else is on the bat is hilarious. I feel like I have is similar ordering method. So that's probably because like I'm not a vegetarian, but the idea of a big hunk of meat oftentimes haram like, well, that's a lot one of the sides. And then they're like, mashed potatoes, and this please could be like a converse sneaker seared on both sides. But there's this item edge potato that. I'm like I'll have that. So yes, yes. I asked Catherine if she watches game of thrones for the feasts. And she said, but that did get us on the topic of excess. There's been different cultures that have been like super into feasting, and like do it up big when they do it. But for me personally, the most disgusting over the top way too decadent to be fun one is Tudor England. Okay. And that is because of one thing that I read once which has stuck with me as being like, na na y'all ours fucks, they would skin peacocks, but they wouldn't take the feathers out. I would skin it with the feathers still in. So that they could cook the bird and then replace the skin with the feather still on. So it's still be all those beautiful colors on the table. Now is like super discuss. Yeah. There's something about that. In particular. So weird pleasant effect of recording editing this episode. I feel like I've barely had an appetite for meat since I started this episode. So vegetarianism, I'm developing a stronger and stronger crush on you why when we think of Carter. Tune feasts. Do we see a pig with an apple in its mouth? I think for maximum upsetting nece. Okay. I was wondering what that was. It was always like, oh, this means we're feasting thing out of there. Well, it is that sort of like English thing, which I think in our heads were like animal presented hole on the table. And if we're talking about like, a European cultural influence like that's what we think of for fancy. But if you think about Asian food foods that are served family style, obviously lend themselves more to feasting. That's a good point. Which I think might be part of the reason why so many people who don't celebrate Christmas. Now do Chinese food. Oh, because you still got that same vibe, and it's even more communal because everyone's like sharing from the same dishes, which we tend to do on thanksgiving same idea because the idea of having a lazy Susan bunch of dishes at a round table where you can see everyone like that lends itself to not only the eating experience but also the sharing of plates. Absolutely. And I feel like in western culture. We don't really have that which sucks. There's more separation and how is it for you? As someone who's a journalist of all these different cultures to kind of visit into them. And then maybe spread their stories. Do you ever have to really figure out a way to navigate it where you're being very thorough and very respectful while also being like, I'm a tourist in this, and I'm just relaying the info is really hard. And I feel like I feel nervous all the time. I'm always worried about messing it up and disrespecting people or like Columbus thing, which is such a great term for anyone who doesn't know. It. It's people started using it like, I don't even think five years ago, but it's spread Columbus ING being when a white person goes into a community of people of color and his leg. I discovered this food. Oh my God. Okay. Yeah. I think it's such a perfect term. Okay. Little history on this in two thousand fifteen Brenda Salinas, had an NPR piece all about this brought the term into the mainstream but a year or so before college humor explored the topic just in a video that induces rightful cringes and brings awareness to this. Oh, yes. Sorry. I didn't discover it I- Columbus. Did I Columbia it? I discovered it for white people. But I do think it's good that we're like trying to be more thoughtful about these things that I'm sure that if I read articles from ten years ago, I'd be like, you're you're you. But I I'd never heard that term Columbus ING, which is a great term. I think it's great especially in the context of thanksgiving. Yes. Yes. Do you have a favorite movie? About or involving a feast, I think that mine is big night. It came out in like nineteen ninety six. I remember this SARS Stanley Tucci move like a guy who can cook. He's rice. So it is starch, and it doesn't go really with Busta. Our talian is pretty good at feasting. Yeah. Okay. Well, life is a feast I really is. I mean, I'm Italian. We used to have spaghetti in place of Turkey for Christmas dinner. I love stuff like that. I love stuff like that. And why not like if you don't like Turkey don't kill it and wasted. You know, I shouldn't act as though Italy really is just all party all the time. But certainly speaking generally in terms of culture, Italian culture is much more laid back than American culture is and they're not afraid of a good time. And that's like something we say is a joke. But I do think Americans are afraid of a good time. Yeah. I think that we are too. Yeah. And then we get so sad. Because we don't have a good time. She just kind of go off, and we're lunatics. Yeah. Yeah. Like, we need to just have more fun more consistently. Exactly that we're not like a dog that's been in a tiny apartment for three days. No. Yeah. Like bachelor and bachelorette parties being like these three day Bacchanals where have. The people go to jail. It's like, you know, if you just had a glass of wine with dinner for the rest of the year. You wouldn't need to do this Becker. I wouldn't be bailing you out. Rachel. Oh my God. Okay. Can I ask you questions from patrons? Yes. Okay. So many questions I'm excited and nervous. I'm going to just roll through them kind of in the order received. Okay. We got a ton ready may Mera wants to know what's the first feast in recorded history. Oh my goodness. So as with a lot of food things, there's no I like, the idea of being like, let's get together and have dinner. Totally universal. Okay. Got it. There's some of the references to it in art in China and present day Iraq. But then archaeologists are always finding like evidence like, especially I'm native American cultures in north and South America. Just like it's like look at all these bones and pottery shards someone partied. Like finding those Mickey's wide mouth bottles in a park. Exactly. What it is a fun time. Yes. For these kids a condom. To not drink Mickey's at Christopher end. Brewer wants to know favourite entree besides Turkey at thanksgiving. Also, a little presumptuous yet thinking that Turkey is your favorite. Well. Okay. But entree, that's okay. Heard because I would argue and I think I'm wrong. I think there are some people think Italian Americans who will do like Turkey, pork, chicken beef. But for me growing up it was Turkey, and then all the sides. Okay. But I will say I much prefer sides of someone was like we're having a vegetarian thanksgiving. That'd be like. Do this dairy products? Right. Yeah. So entree, you're you're you're really more of a side your side chick. We'll can I. Hides chick extra asked makes all the difference. Okay. What if you give yourself a double portion of mashed potatoes that makes it an entree? Right. Yes. It does. Okay. So mashed potatoes. Okay. Double mash at Jennifer booze. Who's also areola? She studies Maher's been on the podcast wants to know about Roman feasts and voluntary. Are they really thing or were they and how awesome were they? Okay. So this is one of those things, that's too awesome. So it's not real feast were thing, but the idea of so voluntary. Which first of all isn't even Lutton. So that's like, I I so I look this up and she is correct. So if over drinks at your local watering hole someone tries to argue about this little slice of history, you tell them. Nope. It was a myth and walk away because it's not worth getting into a bar fight over it a barf up. Our I get it. Anyway. I mean, there's just no way that everyone had the energy to be living like that. Right. Yeah. That sounds like a really taxing. Yeah. I think so although it is true that the fanciest food you could possibly eat is literal shit twenty four hours later. So that's another reason why I'm like everyone calm down about food. Like, I love talking about it. Like, I love knowing about it studying it, but it's not a deal. Everything will be Pooh. Yes. Vincent wants to know. Why do traditions vary? So much from country to country about what foods are feast foods. And are there any feast foods that are just seeing all over the world? And no matter what the local culture is. So it's the issue of abundance, which is going to change based on the flora and fauna of wherever it is that you are so starches. Traditionally, we'll just the plain searches like plain rice plain noodles, never going to be a feast food because those are the easy things to get. It's one you start being like, I've got this potato, but I also have two pounds of butter. That's what makes something a face food. So it is it's items that are scarce so fruit, for instance, is considered very special any dairy product is considered very special meat used to be considered very special. But because of industrialization, it's not as much anymore. So these things will also change with. Just as the culture changes. So do like the considerations. Like, what is special or fancy? So it's the rarity yet. Always ready and now Sarah wants to know how his Instagram changed food. Is it prettier now? Yes. Oh, it is absolutely prettier and restaurants at the beginning would pretend like they didn't care. You actually can see it. I think for me the place where it's more obvious as restaurant design like restaurants have bigger windows now, and they have planer table tops and walls with pops of color. So they're thinking about what will be a good background. Yeah. And then you'll also see on the plates and on more casual places on the like piece of tissue paper that they put on the plate will now be stamped with the logo and the name of the restaurant on it. Oh my God. Yes. Like watermarking it one thousand percent watermarking it, and I remember doing a story about this for the radio probably four years ago, and it being really hard. For anyone to like say, yes to my thesis. But now, I see articles all the time where people like well. Okay. So we had to get this designer for the restaurant who like has done all these Instagram's accessible restaurants. So there's that. And then also, I think you see more like junk food things like, you know, that like rainbow food trend where they were making everything pink in pro that wouldn't have happened without Instagram. Yeah. No, no one's like I really need a witch's brew for upper chino. Yeah. Yeah. It's purely just to take a picture of it. No one wants that in their body. No, no, absolutely not. And that's always the thing that you hear like charcoal ice cream in the black ice cream. Yeah. Everyone I know who's eaten. It had been like us disgust. Looks go. Yeah. Exactly. The most punk rock ice cream cone, Nicole sauce wants to know why have so many holidays come to revolve around foods and feasts thanksgiving Passover Hanukkah Christmas. So innocence. Why did the holidays is a gathering is it winter? Yeah. It's gathering it's community. But it's also. We saved up for this. Which was a lot more obvious. Pre industrialization where it's like we have one pig, and we're not going to eat it until this Holiday Inn. Now, you it's less romantic is that it's just like, well, I have to like literally save my pennies until November. Yeah. It's it's if of times if you think about it too much, it's not fun anymore. So it's best to keep it light. And breezy. Skim the top has not get into anything to. Yes. But it is it's your one or two times a year celebration where you spend all of your money and people travel because also traveling has always been a huge pain in the ass. But yeah, it is. I mean, there's a reason why it's called black Friday. Everyone makes a bunch of money out of the red into the black. Yeah. Just end of the year consumerism. So. Yeah. Sumers them to buy macaroni before the year is over you know, Sarah wants to know can it be a feast? If no alcohol is served. Well depends on who you ask right naturally. And I would say, yes, however, because fees are meant to celebrate abundance in all forms alcohol is one of those forms, and that's another reason why not directly, but just like as an anecdote those of us who were lucky to get thanksgiving off. Also, get the Friday off like offices give you thanksgiving and the day after and they're not going to say it. But I mean, why would you give at the day after except for to get over your hangover? Honestly like so it is about like going buck wild. That's what feasts are. It's like these are my finest things that I can give you so you give it to the gods. And you also give it to the humans you're trying to impress. So if you don't feel like shit the next day, you didn't do it. Right. Exactly guy. So maybe if you are not a drinker, you could just eat a bunch of gluten yet, or if you're lactose intolerant. Just make sure you to a tunnel lactose just as long as you feel like garbage next. They did it. Right. That's it like ten Camacho's, downright. Attack wants to know. What is the strangest dish the strangest dish that you've seen it a feast like either an ancient feast, you may have studied or researched or modern day? I guess we the peacock one we got that Boulter duck into oh God, that's such a that's so extra. It's so very extra. But it's the same thing as the peacock things just like settle down new only show off how you killed animals. Yeah. Becca decker wants to know, what are the psychological effects of sharing a meal with others versus eating alone. Is there any evidence that foods strengthens social bonds? Do you think? Yeah. It's a reason to come together. And I don't really know how to answer the first part of our question. But I do know that for the second part. A people have been researching more and more in recent years loneliness as a social phenomenon and what that does to you. And so many studies have shown that people who self report is lonely, die younger. Yeah. It's really horrifying again. As soon as you start really looking into something. Anything? It's depressing. So I looked into this and one recently published study out of Korea found that eating alone is associated with metabolic syndromes like diabetes, and heart disease. And apparently when dining alone meal timing is a regular fewer fresh fruits and veggies turn up on the plate. And then I started reading into how family separate and more and more people live alone and old age. And then I realized I hadn't had lunch yet. And I live alone. And then I got sad. So I stopped reading. Okay. But so if you're eating with another human, I dunno. It's not like everyone loves the people that they meals with. But maybe before you start throwing plates at each other. At least there's a conversation. I'm making my life on a lot more dramatic than it is. Just like before you set fire escape and storm out. No everyone. There's always, you know, there's always like the din of the football game is annoying or somewhere. You're like, yes. Oh, you're just gonna leave your plate, and I'm going to clean it up. Yeah. You know what I mean? But there's always also hugs when you get in the house, usually unity is so important. Yeah. In whichever way that you find it Mercer Baru wants to know, why do some cultures fixate on food more than others? Like in France, lunches are two hours long and food is very important. But the US food breaks are like not even taken seriously. So I actually think this totally goes back to what we were talking about earlier about fee stays in. How Americans can't just like, relax. We are totally communistic in our society. Even if no one even knows what that means anymore here. Let me read the dictionary for us both Calvin stick marked by strong emphasis on the depravity of humankind. So in other words, we do not believe in having a nice time. France is like you only have one life. Enjoy it. Eat a lunch. Have. We're just a very punishing society. And it's one of those things where like there's so many different elements to it as with any like cultural history or cultural study feeling we're really getting to the root of why America's a little. No, it's it's absolutely. Because the people who founded this not all of them. But a lot of people who got here first, we're like, well, God sent us here to make something of ourselves. And if you don't do that you have failed God, which is really intense. Well, also doing things that are very much sins in God's is killing people in stewing things. Anna Thompson had a great question. I don't know if you're gonna know this, but the history of potlucks, well, so the term is in American Indian term it is. Well, it's pot. Latch is how it's been. What's that word for when you take a word of the new pronounce a portmanteau? No bastardisation. Yeah. Let's go ahead. So I know this because I grew up in the Pacific northwest, which is where pot latches originate. So it's like, it's a community gathering. I mean, it's really just like any other kind of feast, but people instead of the more European or East Asian tradition of people going to someone's house. So that that person can be like behold, my riches, and you may partake of them. Whereas the native American tradition is more like we're coming together. We're friends. Oh, okay. You were religious studies. Major Paula Harare wants to know is the last supper considered a historical feast or just the logical like assuming it did actually happen when they have eaten anything other than bread and wine. Oh god. This is actually so funny because I happen to know that divinities the last supper painted in the fourteen ninety s it's really muddy now by like years of existing and also bad restorations, but the food items depicted on the table in his painting of the last supper our oranges and ills. Unfortunate solis. Get those ills who while so the Mediterranean. Okay. And it's one of those things where between like when Jesus was bobbing around in the fourteen hundreds Italy. I don't know how much food would have changed that much. So they would have had oranges and ails Jesus's time. So it's one of those things where I don't know. I'm sure somebody knows. But I don't know how much Davinci was taking liberties not sure, but I did dig up that one of the reasons the meal depicted was Pesca -tarian could have been because Davinci himself was a vegetarian because he loved animals so much so Leonardo Davinci the I may be vegan influence her. I find this cute and inspiring Tina rowdy. Oh wants to know who was the first person to deep fry a whole Turkey. I'm gonna look into it. I'm pretty sure that southern so story goes that in the nineteen thirties a Cajun chef witnessed a deep fried Turkey. And was like, Yep. That's going to happen more. I'm gonna start that whether it was done by like a famous chef or just like drunk people. Because it's so dangerous. I know don't undertake it light-heartedly. And this is I'm gonna say something. Everyone listening is going to be like. Yeah. Duck except for that people. Don't think about it. Don't do it indoors. Oh god. No, it has to be done outside. And like have your fire extinguisher ready hoof? Yeah. Things can go very very wrong. Apparently, it's delicious. Clearly, that's why people keep doing it. But don't hurt yourself. It's not worth is not. I did visit Ron pope eels kitchen and did some testing of his new Turkey deep fryer. He told me that he used to like Turkey. And now that he is tested three hundred turkeys. He hates it. He takes one bite determines whether or not it's working. Right. And then takes the respiratory to the fire station, and is like ladies gents Sharkey. And then just goes back to the kitchen and starts. It keeps interesting. Yeah. I todd. Mclaren wants to know what are some popular vegetarian feast main dishes other than the ones that mimic meets like tofurkey? Can we what about like a like a stuffed Portobello or like a? Yeah. I've heard some vegetarians joke about how mushrooms or the meat for vegetarians. I think mushrooms are really delicious. And you can I think stuff portabella was a really good idea. Lots of times, it just has to do with the seasoning that you put on tofu or ten pay that makes it delicious. Oh, the reason why tofu was used as a meat substitute was like a Chinese Buddhist thing where they would just they would actually like form the tofu into the shape of the animal and season it with the seasonings that you would use it for that animal. I feel like when you try and say like this is going to be a main a vegetarian may main you end up with a bomb nations like lentil loaf. Whereas why not just to my earlier point just have more mashed potatoes? I gotcha. But actually a lot of people include lasagna on the thanksgiving table, which is sort of like a vegetarian option as a main dish who is a little I think it's considered to be like a little hardier than like your average side dish. Oh, so maybe think about what your options at a wedding would be if you clicked the vegetarian. Yeah. Like, try and make a tastier. But yes. Could wedding. A real expensive wedding Elissa Mansfield wants to know what is the significance of the cornucopia as a centerpiece. This back to like showing off. Lossing people can't stop placing. Yes. I can't remember where the shape of a cornucopia came from though like why it's important. Athena. Bella Sterry wants to know. Is there a difference between a feast a banquet from a historical sense hidden interesting? I don't know. Well, I think feast can be any gathering of people food banquet, those candelabra. That's the difference. The only difference. We've won candelabra I proclaim this banquet. I lost you questions. I always ask what is other than food turning into this shittiest thing about your job people misunderstanding what it is a lot of times. Like, I'm not a restaurant critic and that actually is like a different job title because it's a different thing. I think it is actually my task to approach food in a slightly different way. And they're kind of merging together a little bit more. I think that restaurant critics do consider context a lot more than they used to. But I feel like whether or not a food item taste good is of minimal importance, it's complicated. But it's not just going to restaurants, and it's not glamorous at all. It's just like a regular job where just have to like be at the computer all day. Also people will sometimes forget manners. When they're asking me things like which restaurant, should I go to for my engagement party. And then they don't invite me to engage don't I you wouldn't tell someone you're not invited to the or people haven't spoken to in three years. We'll text me and be like onto my girlfriend out for pasta. I don't give a fuck. I don't know why you're texting me about the. Oh, can you imagine if you're a car mechanic? It's almost like having seen a couple of years. I'm coming over to new oil change. Like, are you kidding? Yes. We went on to Tinder dates who are you. What do you love about your job? The most. What's the best thing about being a few minutes? Apologize. I like. Finding out new stuff all the time. And I think it's been such a way in for me to understand more about the way the world works, which is really cool into you would so easy for us to be knee-jerk. It'd be like why did that person do that thing? But if you know why you can empathize a little bit more to the point. Where actually think I'm too empathetic. I can see other people's points of view constantly, and it's exhausting. A good problem to have it is do you have any advice for anyone as a holiday season approaches how to make their feast times better, you can prep so much food that you think you can't prep. Make all your desserts ahead of time. And even like make your mashed potatoes at a time, all you gotta do when you're heat them as add more dairy. So that's kind of the secret. Make things ahead of time. Reheat them and Admiral dairy. Magic formula. That's just math. Yes. Exactly. It's been studied Harvard did a whole thing. I think a brilliant mind was about adding dairy wasn't a yes, that's exactly what it was. Everyone should see that movie. Really good film. Yeah. Stephen hawking did a whole paper about. At some buttermilk. Yeah. Exactly. Well, thank you for being here. Thank you so much. This was so much fun. If I have a Friendsgiving, you're definitely invited. Thanks, but not to my birthday. So go have a feast, however, big or small UC fit hug your loved ones. Take stock of all that you have maybe learned some true history and feed others if you can and ask smart people to questions over the table because their stories are aces. Okay. Once again, Catherine spires, her podcast is called smart mouth. It's truly excellent. She owns the brand new podcast network table cakes. So check out the array of shows she's cultivated at table cakes dot com. She is at Catherine spires on Twitter. Catherine underscore spires on Instagram. We are at all geez on Twitter and Instagram. I'm Allie ward with one L on both and every Saturday on innovation nation on CBS. I host did. I mention invention every Saturday on the CW, and I explained science on the brand new Netflix show brainchild, which is streaming now. No swearing Noel jus-. You're welcome shirts. And hats, and pins and totes are at. At all Ogies, merch dot com. Thank you, Shannon. Feltus and Bonnie Dutch for managing all that. Thank you. Erin. Talbert and Hannah Lippo for admitting the excellent collection of humans on the podcast face with group. The theme song was written in performed by Nick Thorburn. And Steven Ray corn dog Morris of the per cast NC Jurassic right stitches, together all these edits from each week. And I am so grateful for that. Now each week, I tell secret and this week my secret is that one year I stayed in LA, and I didn't see my folks for thanksgiving. I went to a friend's giving because I had to work and these friends of friends deep fried Turkey on their very sparse November front lawn. And I think I had maybe like half a glass of wine, but I threw up for most of the night. And I am now terrified of deep fried Turkey. I think maybe it just wasn't cooked all the way. Anyway, it was real bad. When Ron Pompeo was like, Troy, some I did it. I did it for science because like, you know, it's romp appeal man anyway, it was pretty good. Okay. For by pachyderm. Does who algae LIC? Geez. 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Millennial Money Friendsgiving with Katherine Spiers
Have you ever given a thought why does the thanksgiving meal? Look the way it does. You've got Turkey. Mashed potatoes corn pumpkin pie roles so much food. And how has the thanksgiving meal if volved over time, I'm Shana cutting game. And on today's podcast episode were celebrating Friendsgiving together. I'm giving thanks to you for being a listener. And you're gonna learn the fascinating history behind the thanksgiving meal with our guest, Catherine spires from the smart mouth podcast. Millennia money with Sean calmed in. It will expand your. Yes. It's that time of year again, the season of giving and getting an I'm talking about flu season, which is easily spread by touch and seriously, not fun at all. If you've ever had the flu I was out for a week last year with the flu, and I felt like I was going to die. But that's why us spec prosciutto pro protective cases for all my mobile devices. 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I just love everything about thanksgiving. I love hosting dinner parties and having people over it's so much fun for me to find a complicated recipe into kind of challenge myself around thanksgiving, and that I love when people like it. Hopefully, they like my cooking and this year, I'm in charge of dessert. And I thought rather than doing the traditional pumpkin pie, I will want to do something different. So I found this amazing recipe for apple pie ice-cream sandwiches. They're made with these really. Amazing snicker doodle cookies, and then you do this crazy thing is cream where you're basically like folding pumpkin pie and ice cream, and then you're making an ice cream sandwich out of it. And I thought that's so much fun because you can pick up an ice cream sandwich. Whenever you feel like you want some desert, and it's something that's a little bit different. And if you know anything about me, you know, that I've liked to do things a little bit differently. But thanksgiving is also this time to reflect to think about all the blessings that you're thankful for and this year. I want you to be thankful for wherever you're at. No matter what debt you go or how much or how little is in your Bank account, whether you missed paying credit card payment. And now your interest rate is some crazy number or you just got a big fat raise and suddenly your money goals. Feel like a reality like you can actually achieve things that you never thought as possible. Whether you want to purchase a house next year, or you're running a small -partment, whether you're driving decade car that feels like it just barely is working where you have this nice, shiny new car with that amazing fresh car smell wherever you're want you to celebrate it. And I want you to embrace the stuff that's worked and the stuff that hasn't as long as you're doing the best. You can do you're doing a good job. And this is something that I learned so hard this lesson was years in the making for me really appreciating wherever I was at whatever happened that year financially just going, you know, what it's okay, it's where I'm at. And I'm being smart. I'm learning about my money. I'm taking steps every day. I'm getting up and I'm trying and have these big goals. And I know I'm going to reach them. That's the best. You can do rather than focusing on. On where you're not at focusing on the goals. You haven't achieved focusing on the things that have gone wrong for so many years. I had that mentality. And it was so debilitating. It was stressful it caused being Zayed's cost me depression, every negative emotion around money. It was because I was focusing on the wrong things. I was looking at where I wasn't the stuff that I didn't have I looking at what was around me, and this may seem cheesy, and I know a lot of people talk about plus ings around thanksgiving. But if I can offer you any advice, if I can help you out in any way, it's that I can try to infuse a new the stuff that took me so many years torn the stuff that I see so many people hung up with when it comes to their finances stuff that gets in the way of relationships, and in really is a stumbling Bach for you achieve ING things. You want to achieve ninety nine percent of it is the stuff that's going on in your head. And if you could just be intention. And focus on the progress. You're making focus on the things that are head of you. I promise you you're gonna stay motivated. You're to see things happen with your finances that you just just can't even imagine. So I want you to be intentional with what you wanted chief for the rest of the year. You still got a few weeks to make some big changes, even some small changes. If you just wanna tidy up a little bit about your monthly money system. Or maybe you're budgeting or maybe you just got a little off track with your spending. You still got time to really put those actions in motion, but more than anything I wanna give you permission to be happy in the chaos in equally happy in those blissful situations in your life. That is really where the magic is my friend. We've only got one time around as far as I know far as I know we only go around this life one time. So just keep putting one foot in front of the other. And being a good person. And promise you you're gonna start seeing some progress. So I really wanted to do something fun for this episode. I didn't want it to be full of heaviness. And I wanted to wreck guests the podcast that was so well received Catherine spires. She's the host of the smart mouth podcast. I love this podcast. It's it's a podcast about food history. That cares mostly about food. She talks to some of the most interesting people, she knows working all kinds of industries about their favorite dishes. And it's it's a way of finding out. What makes them think and it it? It was so inspiring for this episode because it really made me think about the power of food, and how food can bring us together in the whole idea of thanksgiving that that we come together with people were family with friends that haven't seen in so long around eating and out that thanksgiving table, we talk about all sorts of different topics. Whether it's controversial topics like. Politics, God forbid or money, even or religion or relationships or it's light and fluffy topics things that are maybe a little bit more fun to talk about whatever it is. We're coming around this table, and we're coming around food in. It's the food that's bringing us together. And I thought I really wanted to know more about the evolution of the thanksgiving meal. Why do we eat what we eat? And of course, I needed to know why everything has to be pumpkin is these days if you love, pumpkin. I absolutely still your friend. But I'm just saying it feels a little crazy that absolutely everything has to be pump kin pumpkin works. Great and pumpkin pie, but pumpkin doesn't work. Great. And everything. I'm just going to go ahead and say so anyway, Kathryn ish sharing some great tips on this episode to make the most of your thanksgiving, including some tips to stay in budge. And still be able to tell your guests. So Cal I am so excited to hanging out at your place talking about my favorite Subject Food, and of course, friends giving. Yes. Yes. The best holiday. Yes. I mean, I'm obviously a big fan of a food and love thanksgiving and thanksgiving is this week. So I thought what a better time to talk about. Maybe dig a little under the surface of of thanksgiving. And you know, we we sort of grow up and know that thanksgiving is the Turkey in the the cranberries and the stuffing and all of these sorts of things, but how did thanksgiving evolve into this longtime a surprisingly longtime like I had no idea until I started really researching it that it was a really regional holiday from the quote, unquote. I one until like World War Two. And it probably became more national about point because people were feeling maybe more unified and patriotic than they ever had before. But when it started it was probably in October was the first one and the date was chosen fairly arbitrarily. And it wasn't chosen until the nineteen thirties. Really? Yeah. It was Franklin Roosevelt who finally had to throw down the hammer on which day. It was going to be in. There was one year where there were two thanksgivings because Franklin Roosevelt and congress. We're still fighting it out as to which one it would be. So you had to cook that meal twice to write some people. Probably did. Yeah. No. I wonder if it was like divided along political lines because he wanted it to be the fourth Thursday, November and congress and business owners wanted it to be the third Thursday in the month because they wanted a longer shopping period. Interesting. So they were already thinking about that black Friday. Thing before it ever became thing. He, and I don't know if the original intention was to have one particular day, that's like actually physical danger to people. But I think I mean, it must have always been the sense was that you don't think about Christmas is not proper to think about Christmas until you have thanksgiving out of the way. Interesting. So that there wasn't an actual day or wasn't a holiday. It wasn't a holiday. So it was starting to come together. Coalesce a little bit. And I I'm not sure when it kind of the kind of retrofitted it or like oth November. It's time knoll wheel. Eat a lot of squash. When but we actually think based on link the letters and things like that that the the first quote unquote thanksgiving was in an October which got moved back a little bit. But as I said, it was really regional at first because it really was a New England tradition. Very specifically New England tradition. And I think we sometimes see vestiges of that a little bit where I'm someone who's lived on the west coast my whole life, but I am sort of aware in the universe. That voice tres are part of things giving for a lot of people, really. And even having grown up in Seattle where we're not afraid of seafood that is not part of my personal tradition in even like sounds a little appealing, right? Food on thanksgiving, always to stew or stuffing as well as just the plano Easters. And then having lobster on thanksgiving. If you look at original thanksgiving menus, they're very New England. And they're also will the original one was very meat heavy. And because they were just using what they had. And they were they were calling is yours and also settlers who didn't have a lot of material resources. So they weren't doing a lot of lake baking or things like that complicated cooking. They didn't have special tools. They didn't have a little just spices. That Americans have access to now. So it was like, well, it's Rome animals and call it thanksgiving. Basically, they had pumpkins not sweep pumpkins, but like as squash. And then the corn thing is really the only connection with native Americans because corn was a product that they did not have in Europe and had no familiarity with and really did have to be taught how to use that. But it's not generally believed that there were any native Americans at this thanksgiving feast. I think I could imagine. I know or elementary school. But I don't think that's the reality of the situation. That's probably a pretty good pretty good assumption. So even in modern day thanksgiving are we still seeing these like regional differences in on what's on our table. Yeah. Absolutely. Like, you can see it. Even just by like if you follow food bloggers food Instagram wars in the foods that they're choosing to cook. Sometimes we'll be danged have never heard of that before there are so what's that guy's his name is Nate silver. And he has that website that's called like five three eight or whatever it is. And he's always like doing polls and testing seeing people's opinions are and he did want a couple years ago about thanksgiving side dishes, and he said that on the west coast. The most popular side dish was salad. Really valid like you did something wrong. Salad is no one's fake. Okay. You know, what not smart jobsites overwhelm you with tons of the wrong resumes. But you know, what is smart ZipRecruiter dot com slash my money. Unlike other job sites, ZipRecruiter doesn't wait for candidates to find you ZipRecruiter finds them for you. 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Because my little sister is obsessed with it, and I didn't care for it. But macaroni and shoes is I think for a long time been thanksgiving side dish for African American families in the south, and you can see it spreading, and this is anecdote all at this point. But I know I made macaroni and cheese my contribution to Friendsgiving last year. And that's someone who didn't grow up knowing that it could be like nice. And tastes really good and like use spices and stuff like that. And I see now with the, you know, I follow a lot of food Instagram, or it's kind of my job to know. What's up, and everybody's doing macaroni and cheese as thanksgiving side dish now, really just new. Yeah. Very interesting. Are there are there? Any other food trends that you're seeing emerge this year? I mean, everybody seems to be a lot into like the vegan and healthy stumped me. That's just here on the west coast. But are there any things that are really popping up? Well, people will say that they like to cook healthy, but they don't they? Absolutely don't and I actually have real data to back this up. I mean at semi anecdotal because is just me. But however, when I was the food editor at KC to which is a public television station we posted so many recipes that was part of our mission is people could cook on their own. And we would always get requests for vegan recipes, just constantly. You would think that are vegan recipes would be through the roof hits. Is no I can tell you. What was popular? What people actually wanted to read about dessert and port desert and poor. Yeah. So you'll hear from people who say they want eat healthy the most. But no one's ever clicking on those recipes. So maybe they're just like asking for the recipes. So they can feel better about themselves when they cook the desert, and I think that you're onto something. I mean there are like dedicated vegan bloggers recipe writers. And I think that they're the ones who have audience because general interest everyone's just lying themselves about what they actually want to eat. So I don't think and I also think that people really want to feel like they're indulging on thanksgiving for a lot of people. There's a sense of like this is the one day out of the year. I don't have to think about it. So generally speaking, I don't think there's any like health food trends one thing that I am noticing those actually about dessert it used to be I think like pumpkin pie or bust. Oh, yeah. And maybe like an apple pie. You're gonna be dangerous. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm really seeing people move away from pumpkin pie as the desert at thanksgiving. You see so many other recipes that are marketed as thanksgiving dessert recipes persimmons I- persimmons are everywhere. Now, I mean, I think it's the same number that have been grown for a long time. But like you hear about them so much more. And I'm seeing all these really interesting looking recipes like persimmon tart that I saw the other day. And I was like that is really interesting and persimmons are a little bit more difficult to work with an apples, but probably more rewarding. If you can figure them out, and like a show stopper shop. And you're like, this is a person and tarp people like, yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And I think that as more Americans were learning more about like the varieties of produce growing up. I thought apples were only read delicious or granny Smith. But now Harmer's of started growing as many apples as their actually are. Are. So I think we're also discovering like pink apples, and how delicious they are. And that sort of thing. So I think there's a lot more experimentation with. It's still usually fruit based dessert to thanksgiving. We like to stick to the whole nature's bounty fame. But using like all the fruits that are available in the fall, which are a lot more than we traditionally think of. So speaking of pumpkin, we were just talking about this. You know, it feels like everything is pumpkin. Like we have to pumpkin by the whole. I saw a recipe for some pumpkin flavored Turkey. I'm like, why did we want to turn our Turkey into a flavor of pumpkin? But strange. I do you have any interesting data or stats or how this evolve that? Now, everything is pumpkin based will it actually makes me wonder if the reason why people are moving from pumpkin pie dessert because they're so used to it. Now, they can just have it anywhere else. Now, it's not special anymore. But I do think that the reason why pumpkin spice flavor got so popular was Starbucks, which is either cooler terrifying. One company can change the way that we all eat. That's why the intimidation that we have of like the the pumpkin spice latte is coming. It's coming, which of course, is a classic marketing trick the hold things. And then people lose their minds over for no reason. And I do want to clarify. I don't think people necessarily always think about this pumpkin spice. There's no pumpkin in it. So it's just the spice flavourings that traditionally go into pumpkin pie and our brains are only so smart the spice mixture that we're used to something else is the same way. Why why people use tofu and then they'll put like barbecue. Spices on his barbecue spice spices. Not because of the actual main thing, so Starbucks got us all riled up about pumpkin spice flavoring, and we all went for it. And all the other companies want to try and get in on it. Why wouldn't they right exactly probably varying levels of success are I so you're the host of a podcast smart mouth podcast, which I. I love because I never thought about food history. The way I do when I'm eating something. Now after after our conversation. Thank you. That's awesome. I'd love to know, you know, it sounds really obvious that food is this this unifying force or we can sit down to a meal, and we can suddenly have these hard conversations because food is there. Why do you think that is what is it about food that is this like force that can bring people together the buffer for one thing. Like, I was at a business meeting earlier where we're doing negotiations. But like we kept like stopping to figure out what we wanted to eat like you keep having these like friendly moments of being league. Will you own me this much money? What are you doing? So it's like just like a nice little social barrier there as well. And if we're talking about home cooked foods, thanksgiving's normally, are you have to be polite to the person who's hosting you and who cooked for you and all that kind of stuff. And there's just the fact that you these are people you might not see it any other point of the year, which depending on people's personalities is either gonna mean like we're really going to get into it. Or like, I'm going to be nice, right? We're not gonna talk about that crazy topic. Yeah. What game on? That foods in front of me. And I feel like I could broach this topic now. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I mean, I know that there are some people who have real let's call them lively thanksgivings every year with their family members. But yeah, I think it's an it's so communal and always has been I mean, the whole idea of like coming together for this big feast as that everybody's sharing their bounty. So in a way, it's a way of making people nice to each other. Right. I am gonna cook all this food and Shelvin on your face. And then you have to be nice. You have to be thankful. Exactly Sega things about thanksgiving. Exactly. Yeah. We're your thanksgiving's or your thanksgiving. Now are they big or small or how do you prefer to do? Thanksgiving medium size will have never hosted my own thanksgiving. So I don't have any like direct opinions on it. But the one that I usually go to pretty medium size, but sort of like can contracts and gets bigger year to year people have kids, and so some years they have to start going to their parents house. And all that kind of stuff, but it's usually like fits at one big table. And that's a nice size. I think the main thing about hosting thanksgiving is if you're hosting it. You have to do the Turkey or whatever your main is. And then everybody else brings the sides and actually another cool about that is that you're eating food that you've never had before. Because people come from all different parts of the country in the world, and they bring their special dishes, and you're like, well, I had no idea that the suggested so I love that. And that's another, you know, that's. Another point about why thanksgiving is so beautiful to you're just like learning so much and as long as people can keep their wits about it's always nice. So even if you're maybe not the best cook. But you at least take a stab at some dish. That's a family dish or regional specialty. You get a little props over just going to the store and buying whatever. It is you're supposed to bring because you're bringing some of your personality or you bring something to the table. And. Yeah, whether it's good or not, you know. That's all right. Well, it's funny too. Because you can see like who grew up in a household where you have to make everything from scratch and who grew up like dumping multiple things from various cans in that council's cooking because both can be delicious. You know? So if you are at a thanksgiving with people outside your family, you're getting like all these different traditions, and like there's there's sort of canned food to his that I discovered something called a corn souffle that is so delicious. And I only read the thanksgiving, my friend. North Carolina brings it. And it's my favorite thing. Never would have had something like that. Otherwise, right. So it's how you put. It's how you put ingredients together that really makes a difference especially when we're talking about about thanksgiving. And I love that. You don't have if you're the host you so many people want to host thanksgiving. But they're so nervous about like. Oh my gosh. I'm gonna spend thousands of dollars to feed all these people. But I love the idea that you can really have this concept of Friendsgiving where it's not like a chore for everybody else. But you can really say like, hey, bringing something that that you love or something that you grew up with and, you know, bring it to the table, and somehow then that all Volve the thanksgiving into. Yeah. I mean, I think thanksgiving too is a holiday where it's really it's not as culturally acceptable. It's encouraged to have it Pollock style. So that's good to like, no, one should be afraid of hosting it because you're not you don't have to do everything to stress out of you think you do. So this isn't like a much friendlier way of doing it takes a little pressure off. And forget. Best to if you really don't wanna cook. You can always bring the wine. So you're said either way, and you can't go wrong. If you're the alcohol bringer people love that people are more than happy to outcome. Yes. Yes. Tell me a little bit about smart mouth podcast about like the things you talk about is there like a favorite episode that you've that. You've had recently. I always like forget who I've talked to. And what I've done. Oh, Jack Papan who is a chef who a lot of people recognize from like old school PBS? He's wonderful. He's been living in America for decades and decades, but he's French and so has the French accent and talking to him was a real treat. So I did something different with him. It was more of an interview about his life because he someone who remembers like growing up occupied France, and that sort of thing. So there's a lot to talk to him about their. But usually for every episode I'm talking about the history of a particular dish with the guests and the head of time. The guess we'll tell me what some of their favorite foods are and I sort of poke around and see which one might have the most interesting backstory. And then in the episode here, the facts about it, and then the guests can lake tell me their anecdotes, and what I found is that it's a different way into interviewing people because obviously, you know, here in LA a lot of people come through on their book tours at cetera. So people who are on junkets, very famously get the exact same questions all the time. But with me, they can be like, oh, my mom made. This dish growing up influenced me this way. So it's like a slightly different way into talk to people, which I'm an extremely nosey persons like that aspect. That's so interesting. Wow. I'm going to have to definitely check out that upside because I'm a huge fan of his, and I can imagine just the wisdom that he brings and yet how different dishes kind of carried in through his through life through his career. Yeah. Absolutely. He's he's really lovely to talk to and he brought a bottle of Rosa to the area. So as well every interview goes so much better. What is with wine? So if you could leave the listener. With with maybe one tip of of something they should be thinking about for thanksgiving. Whether they're cooking thanksgiving or they're going to their own friends giving or their families thanksgiving. What would you tell them? There's two sides to me. There's the real fun killer side that is like really look into the history of thanksgiving. And how it's was extremely racist. And all about colonizing like there's what we were taught in elementary school. And there's what really happened and there's nothing wrong with acknowledging that the United States is not the greatest country in the land. And we don't always like doing that. But just knowing the history, and once you know, the history. No, it's not great. You can really think about the things that you are grateful for and what you do want out of this holiday, and sort of like out of this country big picture too. I think it actually makes more thoughtful experience honestly, but in terms of the actual feast like keep that part easy. Don't stress out about it. Because it's not meant to be stressful and mashed potatoes are incredibly easy to cook. And they're always a crowd pleaser, just add more, butter and milk and everyone's happy, and you can't make a bad potato. I'm convinced. You cannot make a bad potato dish. Will the only way would be if you don't put enough butter and milk. So I'm I apologize to the vegans because I'm not speaking to you right now. But it's a real real friendly dairy heavy so just just go for awesome. We'll tell us Nur's where they can find your podcast in tune into all your episodes. So I'm on all the podcast players. It's just called smart mouth, which is two words. And then I am on social media. Let's see on Instagram at Catherine underscore, spires. And then I keep a food specific Instagram account at smart mouth podcast. Hey, thanks so much for joining us on this episode of millennial money, I'll be back on Friday with fresh episode for you check out. But in the meantime, if you love this episode, and you found value in the content we share with you. I totally appreciate it. If you do me a favor head on over to I tunes rate and review the podcast. I promise to be your BFF for life.
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Episode 143 w/ Swizz Beatz
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Out badly. So switch. I'm going to be honest with. Transition is unbelievable. Like, I remember from me book in the session. And they said you have to have a session with these nephew to dams your name at for easing. And then from if you really from New York and you have album or you have anything, and you don't have an input on as persons shit. Knickers don't even pay attention to it. Do you know that? Okay. I'm telling you that. That's that's how deep you on this game. Like niggers Swiss has to have something to do with your project after listen to your project. Whether it's main whether it's Busta rhymes that the come see you in Cosi before they can drop, dude. You didn't know that? Knew that. That's. I got a vibe with coast heavy, and you know, a lot of artists that I grew up with working with I grew up working with to working with a lot of autism in, you know, even with the young artisan in artist has been around. I I just feel is my job to just protect our crap. And I'm saying just protect crafting. You know, be a part of the solution and things that you want to see change be part of the chains. Instead of just sitting back just comment in criticizing. What should be changed? Like fuck you change it. Yeah. It'd be proactive so people like to silence. And I'm like man, I can't I can't sit on the sidelines. No more. I got to be active so going to be honest with you. I think that it's the grand video. You have a soccer stadium own the yacht. Dr. Up saying bigger soccer's is like. To kick some shit. The kids. Soccer stadium on yacht. You are doing fantastic. Focused wisdom studio. Making music. That's what got him with the soccer stadium on the. Say that. I mean, you know, because if I was you'll be honest, be honest. I wouldn't even fucking me. Like, if I was like Nori is just not in mind. Like, I wouldn't have got my phone number you, call me, and you hang out facts. Why are you hanging out with me? I wouldn't fuck your leg mega city policy. You'll let. Stadiums on your yacht. And then you had a yacht. Do you? Both the goal which. This of this version us on you went you had one yet. And you said that was not good. Correct. Do you know you saying walking this is mine? Because you know, they tried to gas me up with the photo. Right. So I think they stretch to see for ya'll you then black coffee coming hosting on that goal. Goal. And when I get could I was on on to my kids on spring break. So that's why the soccer thing is it was about them netra about them. And so I get there in the soccer goals like outside as you walk into the ball. I'm like, why don't you put on the boat yet to the boat? So you made the soccer gold. We even rigid. Thank you goes. Because the kids they don't care about floating around Dubai and all the plane have fun, right? So I get to the boat and I'm like. Thank the boat as seen in the Pichit. And I was understood they was trying to play me into I want this one, and you know. And you know. Real thing as they go. When we go to these different countries, you know, like we like to get gifts, and and accept a lot of different things. But I think as I think they need to see us come to different countries into our own thing. Don't accept gifts go there and be with your family because I don't think that we being representing when we leave correctly take all these from they played money. They just feel like I just feel like is cooling. We think in that we plan them. They technically plan this. When we go in and say take care of trying to give this person that they had like, you can't do your you can't stand on the detente you and shit. You know, what I'm saying helicopter doing anything? But he's saying that is real shit. Swiss you, come from the BI X being the DJ transition turn it all right now. Doc NIA banks, we seem pitches at him floating around in the internet. Yeah. He looks healthy. I wanna I wanna have a hard conversation notice other people just listen to other people that's gonna be tone it in. But part of me felt good. Meaning. The dog was so like I knew the dog his Gillam together. You don't have the green with me. You can agree. Yeah. It was part of me that was like fuck year. Not that he's locked up with happy days locked up, but we have it a part of him is might be happy that he's away for a little bit. And as mine because. Because. Real facts. I think that I think that he knew that it was time for him to even take that time out. He was a big part of why he's in that. Right. And sometimes people Swiss people, they express themselves in different ways that ain't even talk about you know, that he knew if he was going to do x y z way he was going to be in feel like he did that for his own reasons. You know, his family is straight as long as I'm straight and has been vibe. And he's in good spirits. He gained. Wow. Wait. Definitely had hit that Jim. But at the end of the day, that's my dog. No matter what am arrived from we slept on floors, ever done everything together. So for me is no big is us and the standing, and that's just forever. So what was the first the first thought you thought when you've seen the pitcher like it was the first thought she says as a Ravin, let's. Adept out there. That's beautiful. That's it was good, man. I knew I knew that the process was taking place because even in prison, you can get whatever you want understand that's prison the streets. So that means that he's making effort to go, you know, to set the tone in the weight as that's positive for him. You know, we got music so music is the last thing that we ever need to talk program, or no, I don't think he program. We don't know. That's the daughter was just being adult. He'll be pissed if they put him in a program. I definitely no one of infamy. No ex-. He's not in protective custody. He as nine at around would regularly photos. Programming for addiction. Yeah. I think he'll do actual being they jail is his program. You know, what I'm saying this, I don't know any facts fan. But me knowing him. I would think that's it. He's just he's that's what hit hip hop is. Was it call this? If. That's what we are hip with this. If people food we could say, go play any type of music play hip hop Upton. Pete. So I think that's what with the guard is an, and you know, I pray for him. Because I know that he's one hundred percent one of the greatest people I have met, and I was walking him to a card have what could be to a call, and I walk into godly nigger no-one. None of us never gonna leave. That's that's my dog. One of greatest people I've met so now Swiss. Spoke to bust around. I spoke. And these guys like Swiss Miss incredible. Right. Nightline on the month. Gives you that energy. Like why at this point? You you have the most beautifullest wife in the world, you have the most you have loaded stills, you got the Zine deals, but what the fuck Mace wanna call the studio. Because I'm just now starting my life. Let me to grasp that say that again. Honestly, I'm just now. Just now starting my life being we'll be forty or September September thirteenth before he wants six Lewis. Clap. Weakest by Jake. Everybody stalls over there. But today, no one's star. Okay. So you will be forty. And you know. I said just now I'm just now starting because just now really understanding what my purposes, right? My we we got success super early. We got financial straight row early. But what did it mean? What what was your goals? Like, what does it all mean? Right because this shit come fast, and it goes fast. And you know, there's never really explanation, really. What's the right way? Win is your purpose. Right within the reason why I went back to school was to also find that discovery. You went to Harvard. Yeah. Yeah. Lot. Peter breezy Bronx. But I'm not a lot. I was looking at your your Instagram. I said this is what and you had the Knicks with the on the sheet onto like the all with the call. Shit. I'm looking and you got the loafers on I say. What really went? It was the best years of my life. You know, because I say this all the time when I went in the room, I was super small on the small, and I was like, you know, this same room could have been my jail sent his about the same. Let me hit a get educated and reprimanded. Right. So that's when I was just like I'm done this out because a lot of people staying in hotels in coming to class. I was just like they rich to everybody. Everybody him owners president management. So as all owners of the biggest companies around the world all the presidents of the biggest companies around the world and teach them how to manage that companies after like success, right? So this is this is the court says you have to have success ready. And then because most people when they sell they companies they companies go out of control, right, right? Because the hardest thing in companies is his merging the company because we have so many silos. So when you sell the company in new people come in token. Top because people can't get along. This is basic shit. You know saying, but it's on a massive scale in these billion dollar companies. And so, you know, integrations the key. Did you have a major did you have specific major? Money. I'm going to be honest. The first time I ever felt bad for temple in my life. He took advantage of that, man. That was drinks. Those drinks him. No, just blazers offer Jing. That's what it was. No. Definitely. But I'm not gonna lie like to Malays rich. He's out there. He has all type of crazy shit. The only time I ever felt sorry like you almost appeased him that. His. A homeless. Okay. I'm glad you. I'm just telling you as the outside living in Illinois. You know, Leno smoke. Tell the Thome I got. I feel like he did his thing that night when he dropped that is that jumping speech. I was like, oh, okay. Now, here's the fence as as a fan of Timbaland as well because I'm not gonna lock it was uneven because you wanted to send New York City, the Dr dre of New York City, this this is what you are in case, you don't claim it. I'm claiming it for you. I you have hold that. I think that the point is the east coast product in some way heard that I heard that got. Would you would you dare to give me a chance? It would anywhere. You wanna go? Because he got fans everywhere. Right. Tim, tim? The women's right. See that's that was his secret weapon. Like, he got the women and I tested. Because his call base in LA right out of the event, he came and the bunch of people there. Let's make some noise for Bali as well. And I like the way he do that rich it in there. You know? You know? Tim, tim? Me of a little bit. So. Veasley than you. So how did he size? He can't use led to my van just play the corner. What I did was started playing all his records. So I plan on his records. When I did that gave me a chance to really take a deep diving tests catalogue of having. We're going to move as audience where he plays her things. National cohe got women. Right. But that's a DJ Schick, you understood what he just doesn't DJ. Take some DJ. So let me ask you something. You battle just blaze. You battle timbale. Yeah. But people think I lost just blaze some people a loss at Temelin thing too. But we've oh who these people, I don't know. Please give me give me all numbers. Been searching. Another thing exists plays in cell to me than that night. He's like, oh, you beat me as I. Okay. No problem. Just as my friend, a friend too. Just as my friend to everybody that I'm bound on I respect, right, Tim. Liz, my friend, every anybody that I'm willing to bet respect respect. You don't even be in front of me. I'm nobody plays next west. Let's go. I'm a little nervous. Little nervous at us. Next question. Let me take sit. Then please the cassette. Would you battle for of course? Battle for referendums popping. And that's my brother, but you know, you know, air was I wanted to read about ten, but they didn't want. None of this too close. You gotta let them live about of all Swiss Swiss. Is just music king saying like Swiss tickets. You won't drink naps. Police. I don't know ones that listen when you battle because in a while, let me just say your energy is we're Markle. No, no, that's cool. I'm gonna brag for you. I'm Tom play me. 'cause you're energies of Mark. You went cast place. The other guy. Crafted hall of JC's classic hits tuck. Then you temple. Your home tau the way you should have. Jimmy Superfly Snuka. Jimmy, some this the old school type. With you Ralph's battle take place. This was the ever happened. Because I know we all family we love to go for yours. Cassini? We love each other love each other. We love each other. He said the friends and family package to the friends and family. I didn't know how to rock, but wife told me you are looking very Puerto Rican today. Okay. I don't know. I'm gonna match. So if you're deal for well says, yes, I'm and I'm with this bad. Where would you want to take place wherever you wanted to take place with a little bit Pacific? This is simple wherever he wanted to take place. We could take tarantulas is a problem. Timberland is a problem glazes, the problem Nate all problems. But at the end of the day, you know, this is music and feel like. We came up with challenges. Right. So to challenge one with me and creativity. You should never be no backing down about that. I'm just say Miami. This is where it's happening. My drinks at your chance studio we have just building doing over bolt. We have a backyard. Proud of the peck. Yup. Very probably the backyard. That's where it should happen. What? Okay. So got a crease. You do the same thing. Know what you're going to say that dot. Others ask you, I have no idea right now. Man who is a little bit but goes down, please before you answer it, please. Does I thought about this? Fool you because technically. He would want you to say, yes, I want this. What this smoke because? Would you like just like one hundred percent in your mind? Thinking you win. It would you would you go. Dr Goodman, you know, at the end of the day. And in the sport of music, and when people use to say, this is even recently like couple of months ago now not not, but it's like running from what what reason he got classics. I got classics. He alleging becoming a lesson though you alleged guy stop being hot toy. Chance. This may help, you know, your ledge, no real tough. If you think I'm gonna legend now. He also brings the bar telling you, this should I did his cute. We ain't even start. We ain't even start. We ain't even even know what I was doing. I'm telling you this. This is very calculated shit from this point on. So of Drake say, yes, you want that someone cost I would love to be crazed as next as soon be crate. He's I'm gonna feel I'm gonna fill those blows. But you know, what is going to do as push me to do some shit. I never did before. Because he's and that's why I liked it. I liked that type of challenge right now because because a lot of people I'm super under eight different areas. Like, if you don't really know me like that in those areas where you just because you like that just don't want out. But like you're underrated in my section thought it out. I don't have a publish publicist for live shit that I do it just happened. So it's like, you even know don't occupy we. We. Bucket saying, but I feel like I'm underrated in a lot of different areas. So me on and they sold of these different measures themselves that people feel like I have no smoke with. Right. Right. Let's go. Let me just do. My thing. I've been doing this seventeen. I'm ready. I'm and I'm just starting. That's what makes you the most hip hop album. Avodados makes. I don't want know, Dr dre in no way shape form factor in any way. The fact that you just took that challenge is because. Hi, name five more people. That's go. I'm our did not time. Time tour. How did you said that we working something? TJ? Thank you. Fire but. Let's go. Why not? Do you not know me? All all my produce. If we got a producer, Chad they going to go crazy when they see this. But I'm saying what they say to write like enough of that like running from this and running from that like, we all musicians, it is for me is more of honor to even be mentioned to have a particular battle situation with attitudes. One any one million percent? The beautifullest thing I've ever ever witnessing. But if I don't feel that. I can battle Dray premier anyone. And I'm not on my fucking egging. 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Because everybody's like this. They're listening. A different part of the battle with year because you got to be calculated. I knew he was gonna play PSA. And no he was waiting too long to play it all I'm listener. Yeah. I knew he thought I was gonna play ref anthem something like that. Wasn't a part of my plan. Guys. Just a TV saying I'm have to do that in every battle every time. You just got to be strategic, and then you know, let it fly. I'm just going to be honest with quarter. Fuck has NAS JC. And just how's it? You're the only nuclear fog in the world. Fuck has this bracket? Why? Now, hold is. Because I wanted you named a bunch of complicated. People that's on these clearances. Talented complicated. Kissing. Nobody's ranks to forget. That part a lot as honest. Being named most complicated. People hip-hop better. If it was me all south cloud. Have my kids everything along ain't over yet? Chance will take. No this respectable reasons. Right. The world's going get more than what they ask for. Okay. Okay. With that being said BUSTER is one of my favorite one of my closest friends in the world. He going. Swiss beats has the best nozzle versus ill Matic. Now. Let me not quote him because I don't understand if he said that best NAS verse or the best knives project. I don't remember this both of those and he was okay. House gonna talk about it. He's talked about it. But we gotta wait for him. I'm for Branko was version. Already got this. We gotta be stingy with thing of the tag. Can you this with this is not Bacardi? Got. It poured lightly got a it lightly with because I know you. Okay. Mush ass three. Aleni swiss. That's too much west. Love you zone zone. Oh, she cool. Definitely. Throwing up. I thought. The war of water eighteen shine taking a fucking shot. Gonna take it down. That was toes sinus, problems go. Just haven't come on. We had again, we go we go. What was that Taibbi bow tie? Holy moly guacamole. How you're lot. Tanaz got. Tan. Yeah. So win busted said that to me, uncle queens way. But that vs on his album. No, no, no. It's on the album. Because I know take another one the ice. Thanks. I've never seen tie wise. It turns it turns away tight blood. You know what Charlie Sheen? When you put it is. But. Said to me, that's Swiss has ill is knives. Worse. I don't know the album or the verse. So you have album ill Matic that clay. We talk a lot of big talk ain't gonna talk that big talk. Be all the way of thousand eleven we have as a great great. We have a great body of work that I think that people appreciate that love ill Matic. Right. It's not taking you out of his own of one great poet as in his prime. Okay. Drink champs? So I'm just honest answer. Sound like you said that you have the better album the album that he just dropped. That's what it sounded. Like, I feel that. I have a different body of work that I did. Album if you. That's just. Rolling this. So it is it is what's risi's rolled from project. That's another project. That's right. That's a soul to different project because they've been they've been seeming like it's something this is this is a little bit. We in little NAR. Now. Just in case, you ain't no forgot about the cognac battle that. Because that's where it started from started. There. And now you brother Nuys project. It was the car by. That's what started the whole thing. So you. I don't feel that me and kindly on going on. What was? That when me and kinda battle. I don't feel. It was like me in just battle me and Tim's bullied him. Bullied him as well. I'm gonna be. He had such a great negative. I didn't realize you bully. I'm a bull. Feet. Bullied. Just some me honest. Just started the fight with me how to fucking. No, I don't think just CJ if you heard what I said on drink chance spazzy out on me on Twitter. I even told him he I'm not bad on just blaze. He accused me just to get it off the table. Come like damn. It's two thousand seventeen. Have done with just numbness, please UK skirt. You know, saying that he confirmed that he had a problem with me since two thousand and two. Two thousand two or he dated the year onto told me has got to pull the this on any just I went we coming from. And I did his show. Coming from China's straight landed the plane from China to come to his show. And I was like, you know, what maybe this is where he really want me doing this wanna get my attention. Well, his show me the car back. Whatever showed that he had. I think it was Netflix something like that. And I was like, you know, what let me let me go to Madurai show. I respect his work and do it. So I was like maybe that's why he's getting a little on his hand me. This is terrible. It was that was. Can you? Again, she forgets yet because is important is very important. Right. So so I did the interview and then at the end towards the end of the interview keep brought up the battle and he's got one Jesse blaze. I guess what we're gonna do it this bad on us. So you really want and battle that ugly talking about and he told me about him and his cousin had a beef with me when I made money cash hoes you'd hear about this story. Right. And so I was like why? I go then real reason. But I'm gonna get into all that they don't have to. I'm not I'm not against last. I wanted I'm not because I don't really have a problem with just like that. But. I did get into it is going to be for nobody now. Let's go. We what you brother. So then you're seen on the Instagram. Just telling what you do to me. Killers fucking other that that Friday, and that was it. And then we did interview on a Wednesday so bad was that battle in your house note that was that was? Own your guess helps studio business? I'm rich like that. Swag about you. Please. Let me just keep right on Steph. I'm cain. I ain't even start. Jay. Many times yet the things that we think that's the next level that should is nothing man. And it's cool because we, you know, we already started from nothing, and then we actually get something which is no that when you get to that point skies. Not limited view understand God traveling. The best investment, you do what your life has traveled here because you get to get outside of this box inside really out there in a measure. Yes, skills based on global compass. Right. If you're not thinking global mindset that you even don't even talk the sit at the table because somebody wrote me a real blunt. Yeah. That I'll pay you for what? This is the fuck smoke. But now you're fucking in view because he has a blind. Blunt. Global? Swiss out of you, even get with zenith was. I said rolls in is heard. Zenit put it ain't no time to and it's not the TV. But you know, in our culture we buy so much jury by so many watches, but we don't understand the movement of time. We don't understand how many Jews in the watch most of us don't, and you know, that something I've been kind of sue of just watches helped many brands launch from Hugh blow to AP's to Richard mills. I can't tell you on fast bringing down the history of you help launch he'll an AP. And if we go back to. I understand that. Rolling their your consultant Hugo was who is your own being the first with it at those particular points. Right. And so then was was was the brand that I was watching and place bets on become no everybody don't have it people not wearing it. And Mr. Bhiva who started Hugo and took you to that company. He came over to this company. And so I knew that I'm sorry. We took it very rich language. Mr. beaver at all. Other just. Mr. beaver others. If you if you listen to this Google, Mr. beaver missed a beaver okay from blow from hills. He's a legend forty years of watchmaking. And he's he's I and to be with common to watch world. And so he's left you blow. He looked at ISA. You'll Yala I'm I'm not going to be challenged. Over here on going to do that. And you went with the all in my watch, you know, bringing the culture to watch world. Embezzling Switzerland and selling out in less than forty eight hours in just as my mental for our complexion to be doing these different things in a different area where then really see us. They see us on the receiving in. But then see on building in infrastructure Sidra. Right. So I wanted to open add up anybody. That's watching this that that just interested in watches more than just wearing them. And did you telling you, whatever like Judas is given everybody bullshit saying like the fact, right? You're going to be able to negotiate better. Once I once, I give you educating on what you need to know multiple levels. Right. So I've been blessed to take these things like a lot of people get the Jews and keep them for their self. Right. I'm going to do talks seminars per MO. That's that's that's that's my boss, by the way. Right. Because like, I just got so many things that I need to give back to the people who saying I need to get back to as much as possible because we're losing this race just based off a knowledge, and I understand why education is so hard to get because fund man, if you have it. Dangerous weapon where education you'll walk in weapon in the standing like. And that's why they made that should not cool. I and not really investing and coaches in cities, right because if they invest in education arts than we become the new Einstein's we can't become Weinstein's that's dangerous. They barely can contain us. Just being naturally smart from good. I got kicked out of every school in graduating from Harvard like come on like that. Exactly. Ever read saying is that we ribbon figure it out. Right, right. We are ready. Gotta figure it out. But imagine when you have to figure out fifty percent about battles. Imagine we had the answers to those things already because his own is not that hard. I went to harbor for three years and my best classes one week. It was an elective called launch. New ventures and told it taught me how in one week how to take my ideas and apply them without looking at other ones to make my vision launch off the ground, right? Because that's what stopping visions because we don't know how to launch them. Right. But imagine you say you I'm gonna do this with this. And this with that you actually know how to build structure, you actually know how to Bill where you can go for a first round of funding or no funding at all. So you don't dilute your company. I want. Gotta try insane. We've flavors. I don't know. But but no Syria imagine like with drink chance, right? Has little second. Man. I know you've thought of this. 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But I put that as a mainstream line for people because I want people to start really thinking about what I really just said claimed that plenum saying lease on. Everybody can't be own out of the gate rate. So it's not let's not like, let's not be not about this. Right. And so, but it's come to time point where you get to a point that. No, you're supposed to be on at this point. But the company -bility of the check keeps you a slave, right? In is the reason why I left music for eight years because I came back because I came back as a free man, I left as a slave came back as a free man, right? Because it's all timing rows the first person in music ever, the pay cash to get out of my deal when you use that as an anchor to keep me in. He took on this Ashta. No, this was this was at universal. Okay. Pay cash to get out of my deal because we need they wanted me to be. They wanna meet I wanted to put my record. This is when I had his me as me bitches, and this meet he has a Bank this that and then I had to recommend coal plant coal play record. And then this artist which is super super cool guy named Ron browse. They wanted me to do around. Like I'm supposed to sound like Ron browse. It's me bitches. Whoa. I'm ready to go. They wanted you to pop champagne they did. Because. That was popping that with this is this is where breaking news right now. I'm trying to tell you telling me that what label is this really? Us. Stop to ask you to do. Career. Take these things personal. I I now I no longer. Don't rather. But I use it to educate people all these things in these hard times. You got imagine all the way up there. Right. So they actually came to you and said you should do while. I'm browse Lisa song for me. Like, I know it. Hop. Champagne all shit. Yeah. But anyways shout browse he he did to eat Coppola's. Right. What is good watch watch watch. Everybody else can with co play when I had cold play early in a new division was going because I'm not just a rat producing a moment produce a period in which is the only other negative have coal plant was hold after that's done. Yeah. Chris Chris Martin is a good guide. Chris is a good guy. You know, the coal hole. Copeland all them guys. Nonsense to having a here. Everybody had to but I would have been like four years earlier, maybe more with with with with division had and all my creatives out there. Like, don't let these people tell you vision just because they paying for your studio time, you know, saying like stay stay stay in your own zone. Blood for twenty four years. He's never hit. One my dance. Would you one time one time, but the music either later low late music game right yet? Wait, you this one thing? Is this produces wanna make social perfect? Why like I could never make my them. So perfect. I want I wanna make about at work that reflects the time of now culture, right? And I had seventy thousand narrowed it down to eleven and I I didn't narrow down. Just a bunch of listeners says let the people narrow it down because we we to personal shit as artists too technical too personal. We stuck in their own. We get an hour away. You know, because we put some stats on boards back then like this different day today. The cameraman. Ceiling. Shit. I'm thanks smoke. The contact Swiss. No. So lizzie. Get to the smoke. Talk to me about this shit on talk about let's turn up. You gotta relax. We'll never. Show. Besides Angeles injury show. Green. Day. I'm alive will vote. I love you off. I love it. Beautiful black woman Volna working with y'all with us with your said. But I spoke to end. Mike. Saying shots epic famine the Bill and actually came because you can't. Club. The magazine. The yakov. All the time. Scheldt shit titles. Motherfucking our role Dow respect you can you please. Because I need I need y'all from Toews, please I seen handed out side. And I just wanted to congratulate how for being a universal spirit, right? She's a university spirit numerous conversations come on a hand name. Whether it's referencing people for jobs that's going to help family, whether it's organizations like consistency. And the word that this system has been doing is unmatched this coach. One is. You missed that out. What I'm saying? Mike gain. Taking wind single fucking y Jane read one, no. Swiss come all, right. They were doing no gift fucking. What is you gotta? You gotta have this. One. Twenty. Right. Right. The most fucked Vernon. You'll book Swiss. Yours. Your your poll the poll? Never. Close with ask him about. Had a back tones. This anybody how let wanna know because the thing about this shit is is no commission, meaning the people could post it art, and they actually don't have to pay to post. They are. But they're putting full hosting there. I'll tickle. Never really post, but missile. Off the pilgrimage go, do you. But I'm not I don't own art down broken amount of dealer. Why should I charge Addis for commissions on because I'm Swiss foot that is celebrating for artists in she keep one hundred percent of what they sound as a celebration. I was lucky enough to Crete the entry point for art. You know hundred countries involve billions and billions even Basel. She was thirty three billion impressions big in an entire Basel giving make millions of dollars back directly into honest packets. And we even start shit. Loyd. I might need to have a drink champ station. Anybody gonna be drinking? No, I don't. Fouling art Asia. And I didn't know what what do, you know? You don't want people are doing the same. Most people always by Scarface posters stuff like that. They buy the same want so much show you how to. Face to face his face. They'd be trying to sell the coaching man stop. So what is the difference like regular art, real art? Because you know, what you know, what how do we know? Like, how do we know? Like, this is great. Horo because there's no there's no bad way to do is all expression relate to not stand for me, sit here and say who aren't as good and who aren't as bad. That's a personal thing. I can't do that saying so boss Rex gonna blood still that's. Then the actor investing people just like it. But which you said is important, but my my thing is investing your heart. What you feel right? But there's also if you do research on the certain things that you buy you waste of money. I give you two hundred thousand ours that you can go green light with and everything in a lot of people think that either just rich people I can say peace thirty dollars a piece of five thousand three hundred thousand fifty thousand whatever whatever's N P R entry point just because you can't get Bentley. As your first whip. You don't drive he's like stopped that fight. Recourse into all twitted. This what got around. Issue still a student? You could be a Boston the student at the same time you have to be to grow. This is on. I love that. Let's get to the shitting on a loved that. Good jeopardy. Brother. Jeopardy. I'm never going to do. But let me tell you something. That really is every time like, you know, it's Christmas time or holiday time. I see what your ex wife. Which old way past what MO even eighty? What the fuck was supposed to say. That was to help me out X older. Crazy. Wife. Santer fixing shake. That's beautiful because at the end of the day, your old life is there and everyone wife took my ex wife. It's hard. That's big. That's all white man to my way today. She rollin tear, but I ain't gonna lot. She didn't crash the car. Good. That's that's called progress. I'm not is it. I seal it with to us is possible that this Jake really happy. I let down this way that sad. I just see mishawaka a couple of days ago, and they have a book coming out about the blended family all three of us. Good. What I really like the cotton for that because coaches trying to only put them zoom lays on negativity. We lost to cover this book. It was no smoke. Now. If Massana was doing a towel all knowledge shit here. Then and the stand, and we gotta stop pulling on down right with me. And my ex went to was it was a bunch of misunderstandings. You know, we was young at this particular already o'clock, go home saying. Soulread Blanco in like, nobody's perfect. She's not perfect. I'm not perfect. And we don't live in a perfect world. But the come together, and you know. And be able to celebrate each hold on. Now yet to be able to celebrate into see Mushonga. Going to the next level. And she always had a gifting writing, you know. But might thing was like, listen, you know, you your gift to to to give back to give back to the coach because I coach is sky culture. Right. So you know, women are coaching scar. Because you know, we get situations that we're so young those times going by road rules on supposed to do and nineteen twenty seventeen twenty nine wrote those rules, and is not too many families that we known as really together. So the coaches out there by themselves. And so when people see negatively they feel like it feels very personal to them, right? Because like the system I really went through some real things. Right. So you seen that she went through some real things with this other person. I went through some real things. Now, you want to shoot at that person. Because. No, no, it kind of reminds. You of what you've been going through? You got to understand that people are Moceanu people go through things, but at the end of the day. From Shannon to be saying that. Our tables. Meeting my wife in particular pitch and things giving because there's no big little use is not later. I need to sit here. The Phil Knight this or this and that no man is really a great positive energy as a great union to stop being mad at some shit that we need to matter. Got more. Jada Pinkett Smith talking about Herron, well Smith and his ex wife, and they all go away. It's a human thing. A lot of times things. Don't work out the way you plan. That's okay. That's okay. That life. You know, what I'm saying this? Okay. But I'm gonna tell you one thing that was so. Tastic to me. One day tuned in. Two. Filming? Building. I'm looking at surest. Looking at the view. Listen up looking. Weighs very suspect. Bill. I had no idea that they was building the point. Fantastic. Best Bill in the world. You'll cargoes up there. Locks up. What is this? But I'm looking at a Snapchat. I'm looking in my actual view. This is the same fireworks. At the same time. Hold on. The poorest building. Purple purple. Green. So I hit kill king. We probably fireworks. This allowed. These y'all say live in the poorest Bill. How? Nobody in the building yet. Something in the Porsche. Visit let me describe this. Because I know Swiss guy telling you got. You gotta explain what people tell them what tone tunnel. Why we really in the boys building? I'll even building. About the concept of billion. Building. The building. Okay. Was very intricate piece. Of the process of building. Builder. Miami, great friend, great, brother. Right notes guy. Ninety. Get like so swift boat. Fancy like when did you make that transition from being like? Swiss good, buddy. Fancy you both the US somebody's rich. Listen. Fans culture. The winners you wake up and be lay. This is crazy. This is why. This is why they might say. Point. You've got to be like 'cause you know, when we're young we have no idea what life is going to bring this at some point. You're like, okay misfiring toward this. And then you. Until you my moment a long time ago. Stop drive every car passing playing that song. It was from that point on. I knew that I had something to work with in this life because of that song sitting on the stupid funny, one hundred twenty fifth street and mind on a fire little fire thing that you could just sit on two heads come out pause. Why it's eighty eighty eighty nine cars and like our and a half. I on the fuck is playing my song. That's when I felt fencing reports Bill and all that stuff. That's cool stuff. That's materialistic thing. Over and I'm gonna tell you some I want. Talk. Like the post building talk. No match and portfolio doesn't mean. Anything? Got. If they use that portability. I'm going to be on. When you. Dumbo house. Okay. Victis santiago. Zone. I don't know. I don't actually don't know. When it was just stop wanted to hang out with the hood. The hood of doing this dumb shit. So. Anywhere, anywhere hood. You don't mean because I knew every time I was doing something. So. I can't tell you what years whatever. But that was what? What what what I know? What time it was? Beat that. We were supposed to do for band from TV to you. I don't know. I are jumbled. Intricate part of man from TV. Let me just fiscal this queens story. Real tough. What happened to this? I'm gonna see who you going battle to question. Back down. I'm going to tell you what happened. What happened was? To the firm session, we filled I'm leave it down the drain. He was. Are you ready? Because they didn't tell me like what's going on the students. The students. So Jerry Lee leaving. This was actually leykis session. Replace somebody nature session. So. Isn't that one shot? Shout shot on the beginning. This is what nature was banned from TV. When I when I lay. It was. So they could have easily said Nori fuck off of this year. Just saying I'm just saying I'm just being. Era. We lived in at that time. So they didn't do that. So the reason this while bringing up Bamba TV so what happened was I wanted to pay nature. Which way banned for TV. Wasn't. So we came there and you play. Beijing beaten. Wrote a whole soul to it. But matrix showed up and had to pay him back. Smoker native. No, nothing. We gave him a because he took his his Centric. Real thing and play you play you. Real king. Thank you. Thank you, take give it. Not the motor. So you can play you play everybody you play that four. But then. Play banned from TV. To the beat. And that was to be right. Okay. Okay. I'll remember shit that I've lost. But I will give you. So when you did it they chose like. Amy say he likes it. He doesn't like this. Shit because members to Israel. And like you said, we never actually loaded the. Band from TV is a loop. No, no. Yes. Banned from TV which. Intro to. That was made they didn't even want to get to the. Even stress. Chapter. Ignore me. Tell you just tell you what happened, and you can stop me at any point. If we'll have a wanted to pay back. So naked Swiss played seventeen things about thirty about thirty. But once you pay TV one. Sinker went because it was just the intro and each award is hold kit to that at. You did. Let me for. The grape apply. Lecture abby. Point sideways session to suspect savy. Just go. So this is a Queen. Devasta- smoke a cigarette. Sam Payne, Iraq, Syria. This. My job your recipe. This. He's that. He was. Knowing no way, whatever as this. Coco's lex KOMO has. Can't come. Cantons extra because. Thanks a lot. So now, let me just tell you something styles. The first time of to kill him. Entry point. Land me right now, I'll give them the keys to my house. And that will not never look in question him do about. Thousands of same and I'm working shit with them. I wanted to style he said withhold goofy. Back then he comes the ban from TV. He says got we. Grabble rolled it up smoked all right about face. Never paint. In my life. Disrespect. SP cinema fun. This is my brother now, but just couldn't couldn't understand later. He actually like he acts. He acts. We'd he gave it back to me. But at first I was like damn this guy is. I'll give them, but this is banned from TV says you. That be. What was in your mind destruction? Destruction always being. Listen to destruction with all the time. But sometimes this. Destruction. Destruction. Destruction ship. Yes. Poison- poisoned that right in my face on poisons to poise track list, I need to track Naga show. You. Listen some shape. Face poison in order to poise on. Because. Your mother knew a poise son. All they will go and get to his record is serious. Right. A lot of people wanna like run from the poison secretly fuck with it. Right. This when they see my. Giggling thing some whole other type of satanic shit. Whenever they want to call it. Mathematician. Yeah. Actually one. Mathematician, very true. This should really mean. Really bad as we think. They made like that. Because the bunch of people getting ahead and science but anyways poison. His own poison. Sonic. That bell been. Never had a name late. No. Show. Way different. Once I drive this album. I got three more coming right? My nights. No, no, no. There's nothing to do with that. Actual Swiss out next time is beauty and a beat. Right. And then my next time after that is return on Showtime, which is all energy imagine potty on ten thousand on every Sam right because people for the anthems and energy. I want to get him a body. Rain for that one. I want to check I. About to be busy. Than you are. Right. So what I wanted to do was curate all of my works because I can't put on my expenses on on one on one body of work and expect people to feel some spiritual shift from it and feel that fit is on imagine. I got this verse that you're talking about or. This wayne. Does our shared a video of size? Pretty crazy. Joe zone. We watch Unix shots because everybody responded at some point. You got to tell young. From the. What he friend? I'm gonna tell you. But he needs to do. Donate. I'm the I'm the hater the other side of there will never been a hate it. But you know, he got a slime language every people should know that you know, sliding thousand one that's it. I. Job. Both got got different meanings to the to the to the to the word. Amina swisscom. Champs are boneless gay that were to the game. You did say slam alone says live two thousand. No, hell, no. They turned it into bloods shit. But that's okay. We not find over. No name. Acknowledge that you. Maybe you don't know. Maybe we need to say someone. That's what I said. That they'll be. People aligned. People Yala king. You know, a lot of people not on this earth because of miscommunication. Simply shit. If you look at the things that's happening. Even in Chicago in all different places off a miscommunication of a something that one brother could said Joe I walked back. I was going to pick him my kid. I was rushing. So when you when I gave me the fake hand shake it wasn't because smoke because I was really. Most of the time, Dan, I thought you was disrespecting tone. Now wasn't I was on this. Oh, we don't communicate with each other as a culture. That's where you understand. So. The young deck. In the game. We got too much pride and we to fucking emotional. As a coach to emotional. They. Right now, this me. Chose. Do people right? Fuck out. Prior tastes Swiss let me tell you. So. I'll see to emotional that. We don't handle business. Let me tell you when you lost you. We do we hit in front of a person. Hi. In front of a person. That's how ranking with do. We tell them. They wanted to deal with us. We do shit like this as a coach. And we gotta stop it. We get in front of this big guy talking. And you know, he's the guy is the biggest guy billion dollars. Whatever the fuck. And you got drink checks Noriega the down that somebody else's say because I feel. Because I to say this popular situation. Okay. So you. Right. Getting up next year. Don, Don, he's rough a billion dollars. Well, she's where for boat. She paid for you to fly plane. And they want to deal with you. And you know, that what you have is a good product. Then they said the table. People want to meet what you you know, what people have meetings at Denain. But the reason when I want to know how much they can take advantage. If you. Understand when they sit down, and they have out of office meet in which they want to know, what to reach body language body lane was Jim mind language. They might have one hundred million dollars on the table. But you might leave out justifying ten million. Based off the conversation. S news, comfortable, right. You gotta agreeable. It wasn't even about the deal at that point. It was about. Yeah. You know, went to Stanford and. You talking about. I went to zone of the streets of creativity. You just coming up with over the fuck you coming out with and that's why I'm not as palaces at their meeting. They assessing how does she handle you going forward? And we got a note that we sit down I need to be able to tell you more about your company, and you fucking man, you know. This year could have been a better year. And then you took the loss on this. And that, but if you did this then it could have went up fifteen percent. And then this this, and this you got to fucks on these mother fuckers, man. Let's stop being sitting ducks waiting the shot. We just so happy to be in position that we fucking ignorant about the position if they talked you they need you. You understand? No. When a person come to you dairy. They can take advantage of you. We gotta stop being the sitting waiting to get taken advantage of. And we got to know our worth you understand Andrew Leah's ten million than fucking ten million. Two. General whoever whoever it is. And there's no come on this education has no color. Right. Education has no let me ask you this. Why did you go to Harvard? You'll upper ready for education. Why? The reason the reason why I went to Harvard was because. House doing emerges acquisitions where marriages mean merging companies together and acquisition of that company. Buying another company do Ave. That was still let me let me not mislead the people. You don't need Ivy league school to educated. I went to have it as a challenge to myself. It was something that I wanted to like it was a wall. I wanted to knock down, but everything I learned in school. You can learn online networking you could do at a place like that. Other companies. Now now now the networking second tonight hands down, I give it give you that. But the education will piece that you won't process internally you can get in many places and no disrespect to Muhammad alumnis. Love y'all Gordon park collection. Yes, right. We own out biggest Gordon pas collection and the world is the dean collection because we gotta start owning the coach. And we can't say we front with the coach and don't own the coach we we don't own no parts of the coach. We'll label. There's no black labels are one hundred percent. So you believe in. Facts. A lot of them down to. Shit tonight. The real top because put a lot of people in bash shape, but we can talk about it. If everyone night because the thing is that I could put a lot of people in bash shape. Back also hurt the immediate family in the situations. As a culture you understand? So everything is based on time and everything's based on education. I hated school kick that every school. I went to look at my records. Whatever the position that all, but we're not changed my mentality. Change the way that our intake people, tell us the keys life since since young. It's just what we listen to them. We choose not to have to live on campus, you chose to chose to and had to did you. Yeah. You could have demonstrated. Shit. My Dom was no slouch. We had one hundred point wine. Cubans cube skin bathroom with the whole floor. Wasn't wasn't a candidate. We had to share the showers. This. Do that. But. About saying commission OPM pays more. In Harvard in any situation. So they kind of give us a little bit of space when I graduated. I was the space Dan have been like this the whole. Right. Doing a case. Harvard and my goal was to be the first case study from the Bronx and Harvey. And I think we accomplish that. And then. Series. I had to my wife as part of that. Because you know, you need to get a male and female side because women all come. During champs, nobody. But that was all. You know what? To be honest all off. Let me just say what? As it should be more appreciated. Hip hop a lot it was because if a person goes out there, they do the wrong thing that should have been showcase it'd be whatever. But I call now, you know, you love your wife, you wish your wife. You know what I'm doing is? I think that should be. Be more showcases. The envy on showcase that becomes society is built Tana's apart from one another. How do we change that though changed by not compromising with the viewers want to see you understand if we want to project, positively we'd be leaders? Yes. She could Cuba saga. Shit. You handle soccer liquor. Ever seen? Looking like this. Soko on a. Yeah. I'll say. Fail. Basketball. This is what you know what I want to show. I want to as you should and everybody show. I'm going to show my kids things to to where when they when they rolled and people try to entice them materialistic things that doesn't mean anything they've been doing that since they was a baby. Let's get to the position where we teach kids materialistic things. Don't God they life. Standing anytime. But a fucking thing that floats on water and it just happened to have a sack on last damage. That's not make things in point. You talked to any of my kids. You take them any story only pick up three things one. One of the oldest is nine. Eight. He was. I said that you rich. Rich. Money's mum when he earned his. Legit kids, rich? Let them rich spiritually I earned then put your working, and then you earn what you earned. I gave my my son got he got an old Cadillac that was aka mother's car. I don't care about his friends riding around Porsches saying one that's going to pay. No disrespect some bullshit. Let them earn a way understand lesson that you can't do this thing. I might say, yes. Can't. You can't. Paid for time. Can't pay for time. Right. There's no exchange with cash for time. Right. Most people they give this money. And that that means something to time that you put them which kids is more valuable than a fucking currency the currency of time and educated and talking and father time mom time with your kid is the most valuable thing ever. There's no payoff of that. I don't give their crash it. And you'll still be the deadbeat dad. You understand fuck that put your time kids, educate them and give them freedom to. They can't be safe from this world was going to happen. It's going to happen. Freedom would give them the goals to understand the meaning of why they're here and give them the blueprint to start the discover widely here because life. Discover we will never know why we here. Even maybe figuring it out because it's still a process with Braun process. We got to teach kids how to give back my kids we give three buckets when you save. When you keep in other you give away. I don't kill what amounted whether it's birthday gifts cash. Whatever got to raise your kids on the giveback. You got to raise your kids on the saving, and you got to raise your kids on how to celebrate themselves too. Because we all celebrate enough as a culture, we only want to celebrate the Franklin because she. We was always posting all these Pinson when she was living kicking. Nobody will fuck about SIS the Queen was doing. Now, we want to do all these tributes, Jake chant. Celebrate August one Swiss we'll give. Risen piece Queen. That's what drink temps is about is. Because all these people. They celebrate you exactly like you said after they died, but we want to celebrate you alive. We want to. Smell. You wanna give me your thoughts? K drinks way. You could drink. Got to think about how you want people to remember you when your life is over. That's how you should live your life. That's the lack of our culture. Like, you said is is that's the only thing is. We always competing with each other. And what what about funding? Let me get talking on that. Okay. Really really, what is why are we having? P with each other. When we can, you know, you know, what people you know, what people you know, what people get messed up. Think that? This separated from us when you mentioned rap music as a Mara you mentioned everybody under that umbrella. Hold on new big dog. Puffer? Now you big dog. Everybody's Swiss Norio, we all. We all we in the same categories everybody that we might not even fuck with little resou-. We think that separates us from nine society. It doesn't. It doesn't steep soy understand. You. No fucking big is us when it comes to the coach. So you can stand on stage, and it might be fifty thousand people there. But you might not be no better than two six nine in that particular episode whether you like it or not. Look at the world is a whole genre coaches a movement, and our financial status doesn't separate us as much as we think we do we make be on a fucking boat or plane a little bit more than others. But when it comes to the music, we all mentioned in that same fucking sentence. Relax. So what is this TV show happening which was supposed to be doing this show about them blended family shown leading the way with that? I think that's that's a dream those assets. Even with the book that we did. She has ownership. Nobody took nothing in that. Because like if you're going to do something, and this is another thing if you want to do something for somebody to best human. I'm just saying. Realising why? But like imagine if we got this book come out called blend me and my wife own sixty percent of the book. That is a real gesture or is that like. What is that? Paying her to do this all we doing this because we really want to do it because we really want to do it. So there's no compensations on helping people fix their households on difficult situation that we had to deal with. At all because she earned all that was this concept and this. Seriously. Yeah. We'll participating beginning. Pharrell? No, no. Don't give me. No, I give my wife props. Right. All different understand. Always. I give my wife props. On a grandiose scale because she took shots that didn't even belong to understand. And as real talks kids. Life's my wife took shots that Dan belong and drink champs. So we actually have to act the shot. No, you notice shot you. I'm not gonna get into it. Because I don't want to respect that. A lot of shots. She and she stood tall Putin and for her positive and gave me positive advice and a dog time of things we was going to emotional, and my wife took a loud, Dan, belong to all of them that you've heard of those don't belong to she took them and she still supporting and she still is about my son K J Mushonga. Egypt together as a family, but how how do you fix that? As I mean, given vice the people that you know. I'm just being on this. I said earlier like a flu ex wife from kids out. They stay with me. At my wife now. She offered let take you out of the airport. Dalwin nice. I was in. Fucking when narcos sauce the fuck up in Utah. Like. Grazie? How did you? Listen for everybody that needs to buy. You know what I'm saying? Because you know, what it is. Sometimes you have a divorce for somebody. And you move on you a bad person from that situation. So how did you start that initial situation where? Bank the way that I started that was blaming myself. From my Ronde. Ability on hold to. I had to take responsibility of my wrong. I just felt like you gave us the Malcolm X swing. Always. And must respect mex-. Talk talk as men we got to accept our bullshit. You understand? We gotta accept bullshit. I'm not going to sit here and watch to queens, go to war because of things that I might have done wrong at that particular time, particularly acts being understanding. It's like, yo, man. We just nobody never told us how to get married. There's no books on how we should behave. Ourselves coming from the jungle, right? There's no rules is black men. There's no rules is Brown and black and Hispanic have won the name. Fuck man. I gotta take responsible for my part. Really been singled the whole time since you've been popping like you've never been single. But when you say. Let me answer that our love to. Because when you mean responsibility for your part, Wisconsin. That you know. I was in the situation. I grew we both who's in a situation that we outgrew and to let two women fight. And why am I name was never really brought up in? This was this all about my current wife me in particular spirit and sister was gone through something. But why never got the blame for none of them? I look at all this media. And nobody talking about me. It is. Nobody knew. Yes. Right. So so for me, I seen all the headlines and it was about. Got stolen. Fucking Bank robbery is something I'm strong, man. I'm breath Fridays. I'm from the Bronx. I'm not a clown is no way to steal me. Anything? I'm doing is. Because I want to do it. Because it's time to do. It understand. Is you can't steal from? Nobody loyal person. I'm not you can't just steal me. I'm not a clown. I'm not a toy. But you just feel like he could have did things differently. Everybody could have could have do. I did everything. I didn't man that's a fucking question. Because. I think me and my things differently. In the stand in, and that's your friend. And that's my friends today. Still in cage as a bright kid. I love my son. But at the end of the day, we was both dealing with some that that wasn't really nobody's business was very public's hall. And it was it was public. It was public because one I some type of way no disrespect. My ex was was dating three people dated one before saying, let's not let's get to it. Right. Because I don't wanna hurt nobody. But at the end of the day, my wife, she took shots that wasn't deserve time. And that's just the fuck it. And I'm not even I won't even make because we all when we on eight year honeymoon and people on these particular sites talking about this. Only be that only been respectable, and it's like an negative way because she's supposed to be on this level. And now everybody that can. Feel like they could be on a level bringing them bring her down as a man make it. Don't make it. Bellamy bring you back to actual question, actually. Zayn? Most beautiful level like ac-. So how the debt that that was my regional? You had to let you told you shit. But like what you know what? But because it's so. Thanks, giving us something we all at the same because everybody responsibility. Now. Now just think about it. Engine. Would you be able to sit next to me and my family if I told you fucking life apart? F two eight years before. No real. Forget all the drama. We did was we created a communication. Had kids involved and these kids involved in as being on this world and has doubts. We have to be the lead in examples. We want them to be right. So we want them to be at this brightness. We can't be sitting here showing out because of our egos. We got to be showing up because. Because we wanted we wanted we want to help help them get the next level. And I can't say it wasn't easy. But the time that goes to powerful as put in. Was very epic might you meant to it didn't really even had nothing to do with me like that. There was communicating and that's like babe. I think we shouldn't machine dove for thanksgiving. Dan, you feel like that? That's the case. We wanted to be his mom saying why she she's supposed to be sitting that table that Delaware kids. Go to saying, you know, what I'm gonna come near. I'm ready to do this to equally chain of greatness. But the coaching us as a culture, we gotta stop standing in line for downsides. Downfall. We gotta be. We've got to stand in line five greatness Aghanistan us me and my ex and my wife like us us as examples of how to move forward because there's a lot of a lot of reasons of us to move backwards. But there's a reason why we should move forward. Use us as a reason to move forward. You understand forward you fucking mentality forward. You think in forage intentions forager life? You understand you might not be cool with this person today, but you might be cool without tomorrow. Because kid the next to be here, you understand understand why we really had seriously. Let's get back to you. Having never been single. Then successful because you got married young. And then after that situation in another situation. How does that work for you? Partridge? To answer that business. I learned a long time ago that stability was key life, right? And even when even when I was separated felt super lonely. Saying that you go to the club this. I don't trust. Nobody virgo. Trust. No goes. I don't trust. Nobody. Right. So like imagine like coming home to the clover. Somebody you don't know. I don't know how to do that type of ship. I got no, you know, you know, you for you to be in my community. And so. Gene wants us to -bility is cute lifing. Everybody everybody with ability with time in which the reason why I wanted to build families with with those people that I was with. I just want us to -bility because of magin being successful being black. Financially being stable in America, right only only shake time waiting for you at the end of the day. It's only at the end of the day. And I watch everybody had that freedom even went to drugs. It just wasn't good. And so this gene told me one time, I go, you gotta be stabling even business view nattered business. People won't take you serious risk. If you don't have sibility you risk in business. They wanna come Vigia family. They wanna Visagie kids. They want to do is. If you don't have those things. Two. Makes me like him more. It is. Today is because Neri was like come me. You got to. Thank she makes. Other. Have no. Got hurt. Jay. Who have one of the best album released parties? Go out to your party that me. Came to this day. Downstairs again. So turned up we had a hotdog wherever they wanted to know how. I don't know. What is in a hot dog? Architect. Swiss. It'd be honest. I'm so honored to see a growth, brother. Thank you today to chew. With I met you. Was one of the wildest people. You just don't seem. Was the person who impacting imaging to music, meaning they would have. But that guy I don't lead that. You was the, bro. The actual music. I think we both. I think we all brought the music tonight for me for me because I lead Larry need just need that music when that came. I can't believe I can't believe how incredibly proud. I am of this kid came to my studio. I got everything Laurie. And I'm looking at you. Testing you. Remember this day king? Played this type of record that every record that I act. Pick was banned for TV. It was. For me the years later. Amonte? My I'm watching all your Pro Bowl watching cancer. You some watching the young dog still have that same fucking? Energy doing? You don't get that energy that you started with don't do. Energies tell you when you need to move on. Right. Listen to it is going to tell you when you don't fit things your stomach five. You don't get butterflies before you're going to stage. It's time to switch it up. We got we have listened to our energy we ignore a lot of lean. We know what our body is telling us to do. And sometimes they go north south east or west, but you need to go should've directing you to. Freedom freedom Maurya. Meaning that I go out with any tells me to go saying today, there's no there's no that's the same can be sitting here right now and get the Email Tex might being Cambodia trying to figure it out. I like the week spent I ain't never smoked. Example be free zone to zone saying is everything don't ignore you zone power. It tends to your purpose. Actually, do some real homework. Restarts all wishing purpose. If I everybody in his own wish you purpose? It'd be the hardest question in the world. Should be easy. We should fucking people should know what they purposes of being born on our Dr. Purpose. 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Everybody got a figure out everybody got to figure out how they going to deal with trying to fuck me. My intention was good. And I'm not going to let you fuck me. So you got to figure out how you're going to deal with that. Got it. All. Only one drinking. You're going to do. What is? Good good. We got an engine. Yes. Host and came at the last minute. That's real real. And the last minute. Is doing this. I like it. She's a freedom fighter. The women. I think we had to really really humble like. And we we have to talk about this. Want to say too much because I don't want people during Chaz. Do whatever you think about Charlemagne only your show. I think about it. I think the episode I forgot. Go. Shit. Everybody on my birthday lists skating. Bodies party say in the streets. Potty. Please someone invite me. Email fax machine. Is. But now like, I'm like soul outs. Has sold. Laughing. So. Terry. Fuck. Got read. We the accurate in. We'll tell you about Randi AC off you go. He never compromise. His craft. Leo in the business. Now. To the Randy hacker has been a stone in this zones. A long time. So. And the fact that you drink champs he still in the mud. Commission. But like, you know, always seen them around things. He believed in that sense. Then they want Randy AC is around. He believe in respect that. Jews. Let me let me do it. You know? I did. You do suspect do that. If you. Let me do two puppies. My brother noble, you you'll be the winner. If you would. I'm not sure win anything. I'm cardi. Yes. You are with the fact that this man got a good product and support this independence. The only way that you can be billionaires doing things which are starting to do independence ownership. Cast partner this year. No. White. Album this. I'm going to be I know you. To the bathroom. You're right. Fucking mike. Okay. Thing that I wanna point out with is. Talking to you. Because I waited looked right. And you know, we're all Jay. The whole staff change. Why did you do that? That's that'd be great. Got laid off. That's. Happens. Happens and business. Hey. It was Swiss was to do drink wanna do, Shirley. And listen, then was his partner entering San told them. The way we need when we talking about. Noble what I actually speak to them. They say Swiss say personally was drink. Do I say? Do this. Can use. Because. I forget about you. You say you cut up. Let me tell you. Let me tell you. The only honest world that could put me on his album, and I don't know about it. On this and don't do nothing. Nori? Mexico. Nori? He could do that. Infringe said, no, that's an already. Is there facts? Seventy to try. And there was like an I was like. He's like. I like. Janet jackson. Good. Very. Jackson must less than mine. Probably only a couple of people. I feel like that about right? Danny ask y'all because we are still fans that somebody who would you lose your mind that you haven't met yet. The person that I would lose my shining. System, which is unleashed keys. So I'm very very comfortable that man. I met the million this. Keeps talking. To you. Remember, it was cute mesh. Because he called me a legend. Regine shot you call Emlyn legend. Letting came. The way Robin Williams. Good morning, Vietnam. I'm working Mindy or or. What do we recently epi Dame would have been like? We like good. Series. I do come home cater footsteps, but hip. Bad bad. Bigelow. The way. Big. That is. Say bang. Bam. Bam. Zones. Not know. Into. Big show those. Listen shirt on. See who's on who's? Material. Thank paying on. I don't like to relax. My name is actually how how did this thing? Even have loaded mclamb. Gentleman off album is going to be a McIvor thing. You come see me go. Me points. Gives me. So you have. I am the McLaren. Different apologize. I am the mcclement deal. Clarence mclean. Wasn't. Cool with the labs from rise. That was in the middle of three Clarin me. Zone zone. Ten on do be. The paper. I might give them a clan ranges from a neighbors. I thought the light just to save you. Oh, you put the cross on your chest for you, save you goddamn. Don't disrespect me. Opponent, you respect to me. Tell us ready. I'm so proud of you. You know, why? Because hip hop. We need to have that we need to have people that is over there. Bullying shit. That we know we we need to know that we could do it all. We could we need to know that we can do it all we need to know we have at all. We need to know that we have. I was in school. They taught me hobby. H over. I was. Stop. Clap. Keep you keep you got to keep you. Professor said. Professor said. You want to? You want them to feel like they win make them feel like they own. I'm in class. You want them to feel like they're going to win make them. Fuck it. You wanna make them like they own. You want to make them feel that they win they own something. Had me literally teaching people how to take advantage of. Listen, he say give up she deal, but it's really late. Late again to it. But. You understand? Two thousand budget. Superstars superstar know who he is. He comes to the meeting. Two thousand budget. Superstar. Comes. He that he's superstar. He's qualified. Oh, man. This is great. I love what you're doing. What we positions gone the supersized. I'm going to best guy. I'm the guy. The job is finished. Power away from him. Superstar no longer think that he's a superstar. He's got a fax machine. Fuck that the superstar long. I think that he's the superstar because Utah the position was done. Two dollars in your budget. Superstars say man, I'm qualified. Understand guy. They hide this guy. Took the power from the superstar come back and say, listen. Whenever you need me to do to do. Tomorrow. Call the guy tomorrow. They taught me call tomorrow. Report on you say, you really really should have got this guy. I don't have to pay. Data. This guy down. You got to work more than the guy. That's two dollars. Of because I'm not supposed to have you hit because we got who want to fuck much, mental right guy. He's working so hard. This life off because he don't feel that he's in that position. Cuse opposed to being so he's. He's not even sleeping walk grasp cutting men. You did all this grass? You asked me, that's my. Wow. I knew that you is one of my special guys. Don't tell nobody. Let me give you down, but you had to Bank. To start with. You made him slave now because he thought it was a dollar involved. He wasn't defied. Target this whole time. You played him. Give them a dollar style. You give them another dollar two hands. Hands influence. That guy working for you on a nonstop condition because he think you really care about him. Dollars that you gave them a dollar. I made them granted out earned other and thinking. Facts. Shit. No. You know, what you hold? You would stand. Don't play those games. The label deal. Like, I'm going crazy Swiss makes one last week. Multiple bomber start with these two. This one this is for the rest of your life. And a role. Jay's got to mention names. And I love them all. Got another multiple choice. But this is the first. I'm going to do. Actually, you do there. You do. Aargh? Eight is the person that I started what is going to be the person that ended with? DM fucking. Chris. Put them in. Go go go. Okay. I've seen them at the Jay Z concert. Ask cold. Who what's up for a very? As as. Track remix. Jay is to the bright. You love them. Both know you love I do. But. This is the last track. Yeah. On create versus versus versus versus whole homers. Both of them on the same soun-. I can't I can't. Pick one. Just one moment. Sun. Would you pick? Yeah. No. How would you pay? Careful shit. Okay. I'm gonna pick. He's a poet. And how can? I know that. Have mass had coming out. And come. And I mean. Don't me get into. Coming out. Listen to us. Got. Everybody. Specializing in my brother hose, he specialized in that shit. Don't get twisted that man, especially understand because I don't think that I don't think that special strong. I never made that a non hit without it when I was fucking. Oh. That was that was where I was at that particular time. Go four legs. I've been to tell you. This was my record. Jay. What happened? Keep them moving. Studio doubt. And then there's one more little act actually have the record. That's tracked. Real message. Question. Did he started? Question. Okay. It too Nicki Menaj. Give it to Cardi. Going. Nikki question. Both them. I love I love. But you know, what I don't I don't even know. Nick because. Queens. Does the main? We're all the west side of quaint. What's the real side? Everyone's world side. Okay. Let's say everyone's out of New York. Advisory. Don't wanna more. Hazy. Are you going to give it to pause? I don't want to give it to me. No, mega AC. Chip. Yeah. I. Zones. Queens. Okay. Swiss biggie. Oh. You said region. Nobody you know, rabbits, that's not real beef. That's. It'll be sleep. When you really can't walk the streets. My family been involved with real things. And the reason why my family is probably because we help people aren't people saying people everybody got people that could sling. How many people can you help my family's been known to help people understand that that's how power. So if you let them for me to hurt you. You gotta go all the way out your way for me to do that. The chances of me helping way greater. And it's like all these rappers and this and that this is a lifeline for you. Keep your lights on. I've been a part is for a long time. I see many come and go, you know. You know, if you disrespect me then. Hey, man. Come with it. Because I'm I'm getting no security tonight. Nobody in here because I'm I feel comfortable because I'm in. Twelve years. Maybe. I'm sorry. But you like I'm sorry. Bad girls. What? I can't have you can't empower a female. Times. I don't even bother Kobe. Yes, I missed. I wasn't on time. Not perfect. Engine. Why you know, what all the time? Female came on. The only female. No other real Chaz. Cold. I love that. Would they want another payment? No, no it. This. That was exciting for me. Shame and she in the middle. This one of one before. We love everybody monies. Just have to be in a different space. You got. Why are you going back? It is a Senate is that. That's. Company. Okay. You got. Bring to you know, what you did thought that was so. The best. I want to tell everybody. When they seem giveaway shoes. In Harlem, I was going to be the Swiss hunt. Like what? Swiss I got it. I'm the link. About to give out. I'm giving cars watches germs. I'm gonna. Because. All of those. Why? Cute. That was nice. Okay. I'm not judging. That I'm going to do. Kelly. Texas. I'm gonna give away climate. With I'm giving away. Serious zones. Apples in this giving away iphone ten giving away so much because we start here. The best thing either doing knife is give we can receive a lot of things. Goeman holum. Did I watch those people pick those shoes with pride, and it's not Reebok thing. Has also big enough block as well. Fuck everybody case Richmond. Could you be surprised how many people really care about the culture, you'd be surprised real shit? Right. And it was people saying and to see those people take them shoes. Hold of something that was created. Back to the people, man. And putting that out there myself because we could see celebrities gifts. Day away or mind that where but like fuck the celebrity. What is anyway person has overrated for their currency of time? Maybe people, but the people the people. A real culture. Right. So I'd rather get my shoes out to the people that never thought that they were they would be toe forward or get my shoe and saying. All of them, which I'm going to do all around. When they see what I'm about to give out. We're going to all I'm gonna be in my fucking self shit that I'm giving. These are called the. Because of the rap rapper. The technology is before. Dole. Bad at you. Build like. Can get to. Support and his family why he can't go to. But they. Thank you. No. We got to go there. Because what I do is. And that's my dog. That's my brother. Who who's now talk to me about when he got a hit record out. Now. Family now. Kinney fucker from the Bronx. But the is a technology. So every shoe has technology type before. Ramp. Right. We just happen to use it. But. But even if it was. He don't wear Thames only, we didn't even get a Reebok there. Because. Let me tell you something. The dogs. Come with. Changed through life called cancer survivors. Man, but other just seen. I've seen the locks and you guys. Other should. That's album. Done. Gotcha. Man, you gotta give them more than we take. We listen to the streets. Is better than that. Everybody five literally tell me what album is better than that. I only fuck about who's your best group. That's something that you love as one. On entire composition of work. Continue that long lived locks style. She jaded kiss sounds. Sounds. Say because K and better than that. Say is I really love y'all. Love for each other everybody, I love that. And that's a beautiful thing. Right. I don't know how the. Relaxed. People want to know. I need to have a few. Didn't really understand. And even even even jaded Kissel legacy. We'll do the b. The. Listen to be started. Before they even listen to me. This. Jada is. So that's how that's how I did that one God give me some love. Listen, let me just tell you. I've seen growth seen from beginning. Mush seen. Not the end because we know where to start. But so I see a starch. Though. But I'm so proud of you. I'm proud of you. Love you. But listen the fact that I'm on your show again eight. Eighteen. Great guys. Because we can let correct. Nineteen nine. Ninety seven because. Beat right now. Right now, we don't. Ready? Fucking be right. Let's do. Sounds. Let me tell you something. Wrap is this guy has been the same guy for what I bet back to them. That. Tell us that though because for me like coming up, you guys have always been very great to me. Just oh. Oh, we. Oh. Great to yourself. Ladies to be on the black. I used to work on twenty six day when he. That's why everybody. Talk about. People outside like, it was the black and queens outside. Right. I was like yo this. Like it was. But it was just say. Was. I was real cute guy. So I wanted to leave my hood. So when they gave me the actual to leave actually go there every day every day every day. I would be. Because. This. This guy Tyrone bye. Tools back there. Different all used to be in office. Everything every day. It's not like that. Now. Got to make some. You too bye. This. Hey, we. We've we've. Alexa, play Arianna 'Grande. Okay. Amazon music of all you need. Tens of millions of songs. 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