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"This episode features discussions of kidnapping and violence that some people may find offensive listener. Discretion is advised especially for children under thirteen may twenty third nineteen ninety six thirty one year old businessman. Victor Li sat locked inside a dark room trying to make sense of what was happening to him. It had only been a few hours since he had left his office. In Hong Kong to visit his father now he was the prisoner of armed assailants. Who had kidnapped him off. The sidewalk and thrown into a van has the long hours past. Victor grew increasingly uncomfortable. He hadn't gone to the bathroom in hours and his bound. Arms and legs were beginning to cramp anxiety flooded. His mind did his father. No he was missing. Would anyone be able to find him? His thoughts were interrupted by the return of his captors. The men blindfolded Victor and jostled him outside into a waiting van as they drove victor. Try to remain calm. Was it all over or was he about to die? This is hostage. Apar- cast original every week. We tell the stories behind the most captivating hostage situations and the people inside them. We'll also cover. The psychological tactics used in kidnapping situations. And what the human brain does when held captive Irma Blanco. And I'm Carter Roy. You can find episodes of hostage and all other park cast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream hostage for free on spotify. Just open the APP type hostage in the search bar at par cast. We are grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network? This is our second episode of one of Hong. Kong's most notorious gangsters Cheung Kong and ransom kidnappings he committed in nineteen ninety six and nineteen ninety-seven last week. We discussed chauncey early life. And how his obsession with wealth led him to commit to ransom kidnappings as part of a master plan to extort the ten wealthiest men in Hong Kong? His first target was thirty one year old. Victor Lee the son of Hong Kong's wealthiest man Li ka-shing this week we'll delve into the fallout of lease kidnapping. And how it inspired Chung to go after the forty seven year old property development tycoon. Walter Kwok will also discuss. How an unexpected cooperation? Between Hong Kong and mainland China ultimately led to Chung's demise when sixty eight year old billionaire Li ka-shing into his front door on the night of May Twenty Third Nineteen Ninety six. He was expecting to see his son. Victor apologized for being so late instead. He found himself face to face with the infamous criminal. Forty-one-year-old chauncey calm and four other armed. Men Leave recognized Chung immediately. He was wanted by the police for multiple crimes including two high profile robberies at the Kai. Tak Airport the second of which had been the largest cash robbery in Hong Kong's history. There was hardly a person in Hong Kong. Who didn't know Chung secons name as Hong Kong's wealthiest Man Lee knew? It was no coincidence that the thief had chosen his front door to knock on but nothing could have prepared him for what Chong was about to say. The criminal informed Lee that he had captured his son. Victor and if Lee ever wanted to see him again he would have to pay two billion Hong Kong dollars now. We was stunned. He asked where they had taken. Victor but Chong shook his head and repeated the demand. Two billion dollars or victor was dead. Shaking Lee tried to assess how he could gather the money he knew as well as Chong that if anyone could access billions of dollars at a moment's notice it was him his company. Cheung Kong Industries had made him a multi-billionaire and victor was in line for the throne but Lee wasn't worried about the money or his company. He just wanted his son back on your shortland. A professor in political economy assesses that in kidnapping for ransom cases. The hostage is returned alive about ninety percent of the time on. This is because the kidnapper is usually willing to negotiate in feasible deal can often be reached. Shortland also stresses that when faced with a ransom kidnapper dilemma. One should not immediately give in to the criminals demands. The hostage taker is likely to interpret this as evidence that more money is available and they will continue to up the ransom amount. Instead shortland advises keeping the criminal in the dark about one's financial resources. The captive will typically be released for a fraction of the original demand of course most individuals when faced with a kidnapper. Aren't thinking like rational business people. They're more concerned with the release of their loved. Ones and their minds are racing with worst case scenarios like torture and execution but wittingly or not Li ka-shing did the right thing shaking. He told Chung that he couldn't gather so much money at a moment's notice but he would try to come up with what he could. He certainly didn't give so much money lying about in his home. Leah's Chung if he could go to the bank for a withdrawal but the criminal shook his head this could arale suspicion and possibly alert the authorities when cheeky move on lease part and the whole plan could fall apart Lee understood and said he would do his best but he knew there was no way together that much money from inside the house under the supervision of Chung and his men Lee drained every hiding place and wallet in his home. He tried to come up with enough cash and valuables to satisfy the steep ransom demand. All the while worrying about his poor son finally having exhausted all his immediate resources. Li presented Chung with his loot. He knew it wasn't enough but he hoped Chung would settle for it surely he couldn't be expected together two billion if he wasn't even allowed to go to the bank. Lee watched with dread as the men counted their spoils. They were one billion short. Chung glared at Lea- incredulous. He could hardly believe that. A man as wealthy as Li ka-shing could only cough up half the amount on a smaller scale. Chong himself knew what it meant to be wealthy. His criminal escapades had paid off and his double life was lavish to him. Money was something to gamble with and enjoy and Chong's own home reflected. This opulence but Lee was a different breed. He was shrewd he invested. And he certainly didn't keep two billion dollars lying about his comparatively modest mansion once again. Li explained that he couldn't come up with two billion unless John allowed him to go to the bank and for the first time the criminal considered it he could get away with the full amount. If everything went smoothly but ultimately Chung couldn't risk it. If there was one place he had sworn never to go back to. It was prison. Besides one billion dollars was a lot of money. Five Times the amount he had obtained in his last airport robbery and it was plenty to fund his lavish lifestyle but grudgingly. He agreed to settle for one billion dollars half his original ask. He ordered Li ka-shing to pack up the money for him as Lee placed the cash. In bags he has Chong why he was doing this. Chung replied. I take unconventional steps to get rich. Money is the most important thing in life. But it's only me who can get away with kidnapping tycoons Charleena's men grabbed the bags of cash. Jong delivered a final warning if Lee or victor ever told the police about the kidnapping they would be dead. We nod and watched as the vans sped off into the night. Now all he could do was wait hoping that Chong would hold up his end of the bargain meanwhile victor was locked inside. Chun's hideout just over the border in mainland China. It had only been a few hours since his capture when his captors finally returned they blindfolded Victor and hurried him outside into a van as they drove. Victor imagined the worst. Perhaps they were taking him away to be murdered. His body could be buried somewhere. It would never be found and victor's family would never know why their son had disappeared. It was all too confusing and sickening for victor to come to grips with a few hours later. The van rolled to a stop. The car doors opened in several hands helped victor as he stumbled onto the sidewalk. He felt the crisp night air on his skin has one of his captors began untying his blindfold as it fell away. Victor recognized his surroundings. He was standing in the driveway of his father's house. In deep water. Bay Hong Kong Victor was bewildered. Was He being released? Was his family going to be harmed. He turned around and for the first time. Locked eyes with his captor the infamous Chunky Kong as victor stared at Chung. He could hardly register who this person was and what they wanted but before he could make sense of the situation. Chong stepped forward. He grabbed victor's face leaned in and planted a kiss on his forehead. Then he told victor he had been a good boy and he promised never to harm him or his family again back in his hideout. Chon divided the spoils amongst his comrades keeping forty percent for himself. He was happy that it pulled off. Such a new and brave stunt it was proof to Chung that. His master plan was feasible if he could kidnap the son of the wealthiest man in China and get away with it then he could kidnap anyone especially the rest of China's tycoons and he had stuck to his personal motto never to physically harm someone unless absolutely necessary. It wouldn't be long before he made his next move coming up. Chunky Kong targets his next victim. Podcast listeners you enjoy stories about crime. 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Or wherever you get your podcasts. Now back to the story in nineteen ninety six forty one year old gangster Chung Tikan completed phase one of his plan to kidnap the ten richest men in Hongkong. He had successfully captured thirty one year. Old Victor Li and victor's father sixty eight year old multi-billionaire Li ka-shing had paid one billion Hong Kong dollars for his son's release. It was the largest ransom in Hong Kong history. One billion dollars would have lasted many people a lifetime but Chung wasn't the average person he was addicted to gambling and unbridled spending. Wouldn't be long before he needed more cash but first he had to wait and make sure the police weren't after him for Victor's kidnapping. This could raise publicity. Putting Hong Kong's other wealthy citizens on Edge Chung decided to bide his time yet as he dipped into his new money. He couldn't help. But think of Li ka-shing here was Hong Kong's richest man and even he didn't spend money the way that Chung did instead Lee saved and invested it. Perhaps this was the secret to his enormous wealth. Chong mold is over and gradually. A new idea occurred to him. He would ask Li ka-shing himself. It had been weeks since the kidnapping and both Li ka-shing and Victor Li had returned to work at their family's company Cheung Kong Industries. They were eager to move on with their lives. Neither had approached the police for fear of inciting revenge. They were simply thankful. The ordeal was over and hopeful that John would stick to his promise. Never to bother them again. But Chung had other ideas when Li ka-shing answered his phone one evening he couldn't believe his ears. Cheung Kong was on the other end Lee stomach filled with dread as he thought of his other son. Victor's brother Richard But Chong quickly reassured Lee that he was asking about a simple business matter. He wanted advice on finances specifically what he should do to grow his one billion dollars should he invest his new money in stocks or did Lee recommend real estate. Lee was flabbergasted. How dare song ask him what to do with his money? He told Chung that he only had one piece of advice. Take the money and start an honorable life. Leave him and his family alone. Chogm considered this possibility. Perhaps he could take his wife. Luo Yin Yang and relocate to somewhere. He had no reputation. He could have a fresh start. And maybe even build a business likely ka-shing's empire Cheung Kong Industries but Chung didn't have the tenacity to do it. His gambling addiction his tastes for luxury and his greed were too powerful. Besides the only trade Chung had ever known was that of being a criminal he doubted he could ever succeed at anything else. At least not with the kind of luck he was used to and so after a year of waiting to make sure the police weren't onto him. John was confident that the time was right. He's zeroed in on his next target. Forty-seven-year-old property developer. Walter Kwok in nineteen ninety-seven Walter. Kwok was in the prime of his life. He was part of one of the wealthiest families in Hong Kong and he and his brothers ran their late. Father's company Sung Hung Kai properties. They were responsible for some of Hong. Kong's most famous commercial buildings and large apartment complexes Walter was the company's chairman and chief executive he was capable and quick thinking a born leader and if there is one thing he knew best. It was to negotiate. Walter was an expert at honing deals for his family's company and he knew that nothing was ever worth as much as the original asking price but he had no idea that these skills which soon come into play as September nineteen ninety-seven approached Chung. Tea Calm had settled on Walter as his target. He knew Walter Schedule Front back where he lived and what kind of car he drove. Finally he was ready to make his move on the evening of September. Twenty Ninth Nineteen ninety-seven. Walter was on his way home when Chun and his men cornered his limousine and forced Walter outside they blindfolded Walter bound his arms and legs and wrestled him into their waiting Van. Walter kicked and yelled but it was no use. He was at the mercy of ruthless criminals. Now inside the van Walter was disoriented an anxious. Who were these men? And what did they have against him? It wouldn't be long before he found out a few hours later. The car came to a stop. The men jumped out dragging their terrified captive with them the unbound Walter's limbs and untied his blindfold before shoving him inside a small wooden crate. Walter was terrified. He tried to steady his breath and focus on the small noises around him. An hour passed and the crate finally reopened one of the men handed Walter a bowl of roast pork and rice but Walter shook his head. The man urged him to eat and shut the door. Walter Obediently Chewed Food. But he could barely taste it. His mind was racing with possibilities. Food meant that he was being kept alive but this could also mean he would be here a long time. His thoughts were interrupted as the door to his crate opened again. It was Chung Secon Jong Thrust prepaid phone into Walter's trembling hands in demanded that he call his family. Walter slowly shook his head. There was no way he was getting his family involved. The kidnappers could have him but he would not put his brothers his wife Wendy or their three children in harm's way but Chung remained firm. He demanded that Walter call his wife and request one billion dollars in ransom money. The same amount he had received from Li ka-shing to Chun. This was a reasonable request for someone as wealthy as Walter. If Li ka-shing could access one billion dollars at a moment's notice his family could certainly do whatever it took to gather the same amount but walters mind was made up under no circumstances. Was he about to involve his family. Besides if there was one thing Walter understood it was a negotiation especially when money was involved. He defiantly handed the phone back to Chung. He said that a Chung wanted to negotiate. They could do it here. One on one Sean was astonished. No one not even his own comrades ever dared to defy him yet hear was Walter Kwok a defenseless captive refusing to comply with an order furious. Chung ordered his men to beat up. Walter they descended upon the billionaire punching and kicking him psychologist anger. Management Specialist Bernard Golden. Phd explains that control. Tactics often stem from feelings of being slighted. He says they may attempt to control you in reaction to an intense sense of slight they experience when your thoughts feelings behavior don't exactly aligned with how they believe you should be in the case of Chung. He had an idea of how Walter's kidnapping was supposed to go. And how compliant Walter was going to be and when this didn't happen. He resorted to the only means. He had left to assert his control violence. He had a long standing belief that violence should be a last resort and in his. Is this situation. Called for brute. Force after several minutes of this savage beating Walter was bruised and coughing up blood now. John was confident that his captive would give in. But Walter still refused to make the call. Chung glared at Walter. He was determined to get his money. No matter how nasty things got he would simply come back tomorrow. On September thirtieth twenty four hours after Walter's kidnapping Chunky Kong was confident. That is hostage would reconsider the offer to call his family and asked for the ransom. But when Chung Open Walters crate that morning. Their captive was no more willing to call his family than he had been yesterday. In fact Walter was sure that by now his family would be looking for him. His wife would be wondering why he hadn't come home yet and his brother would expect him at work. One of Chung's men gave him another bowl of pork and rice. Which Walter Willingly Eight? He knew he had to stay. Strong Wind Walter was finished. Eating Chon handed him the phone once more and again Walter refuse to call his family. Chung gave the signal and his men descended on Walter once more. They beat him mercilessly until he nearly blacked out. But Walter was resolute either. Chung dealt with him or nothing. This vicious cycle continued for one more day by the end. Walter could barely eat. His breathing was labored and his body was crumpled from pain and so on October. Third Nineteen ninety-seven. His fourth day in captivity. Walter finally asked for the phone trembling. He called his wife Wendy. When Wendy answered she was beside herself with relief she hadn't heard from her husband for days and no one knew where he was. But Walter's voice was not reassuring he sounded hurt and out of breath speaking was taking every last ounce of his strength and Wendy could tell something was deeply wrong at this point. Walter had given up all hope on a negotiation. He simply wanted to go home alive. He told Wendy that she needed to put together. One billion dollars for the ransom up next the police close in on Chung Secon now back to the story on September Twenty Ninth Nineteen Ninety seven forty two year old Hong Kong criminal Chunky Kong kidnapped forty seven year. Old Property tycoon. Walter Kwok and transported him over the border to a hideout in China at first wall to refuse to call this family to obtain the one billion Hong Kong dollars ransom money that is capture was demanding but after four days of merciless beatings. He finally gave in and called his wife. Wendi it remains unclear whether Walters family had yet gone to the police about their brother's disappearance but at this point they knew that their brothers safety depended on keeping the negotiations a secret. Finally Chong and Walter arranged a secret meeting between his mother Kwan. Chow Ching in one of his brothers in downtown Hong Kong's financial district. They met at one of the luxury apartments owned by. Walter's family there Kwong Xiaojing and her son worked out a final ransom amount with Cheung six hundred million Hong Kong dollars when the meeting had finished. The ransom amount was placed into twenty large duffle bags in transported by two. Mercedes to a quiet street in the financial district. Joan and his accomplices met the cars and drove away with the cash. Walter's family could only hope that Chung would make good on his end of the bargain on October. Sixth Chong and his men transported Walter over the border back into Hong Kong. His family found him inside a local village house packed inside his wooden crate. Chung's partying warning to both Walter and his family was that they should never speak to the police or media about the incident unless they wanted. More trouble Chung's second kidnapping had been more difficult than the first but it had still panned out. He had sufficiently intimidated. A billion dollar family and their company into quietly seating hundreds of millions of dollars without alerting. The police and he was more confident than ever that he could continue his plan to kidnap the ten wealthiest men in Hong Kong. He would do the same thing as he had done following Victor Lease Kidnapping in Nineteen ninety-six way to make sure no one was onto him before going after his next target but a plan for his capture was taking form in the months following. Chun's second contact with Lee Shing. The multi-billionaire used his connections to quietly reach out to Hong Kong police urging them to pursue Chong. The police informed Lee that well. Chung was on their radar. He would be extremely difficult to track down. Like many of Hong Kong's criminals. He made use of the proximity of China to hide out. In between crimes beginning in nineteen ninety seven Hong Kong was fully reabsorbed into China following. Its one hundred year lease to Britain but two decades before with Hong Kong and China had settled on a firm one country two systems policy. This meant that while Hong Kong was freshly incorporated as a territory of China it retained its own legal system and as long as Cheung Kong was hiding out in China Hong Kong authorities could not pursue him. Li ka-shing was well aware of this barrier but he nonetheless used his status urged. The police to concentrate on Chong's capture. Finally he told About his son's kidnapping this changed everything. A one billion dollar ransom kidnapping was plenty of reason to go after Chung earnestly. The police understood with this could mean for the rest of Hong Kong's upper class so far no criminal had attempted this kind of feet in Hong Kong and Chung could not be allowed to continue even as Walter. Kwok's kidnapping was happening. The police were already at work trying to flush Chong from his hiding place. In China they targeted known members of Hong Kong's triad gangs networked which Chung loosely belonged. Police track down members both in and out of prison harassing them into dispelling information but the Chhaya ad was a loyal tight knit brotherhood and asking someone to turn on. Fellow member was difficult. Meanwhile Chong was living the high life with his ransom money. He was gambling millions at a time and had even taken his wife and children on a vacation to Johannesburg South Africa but his crimes were also continuing as Walter. Kwok's kidnapping secretly unfolded in Nineteen ninety-seven. The police were already in hot pursuit and finally his kidnapping attempts blown wide open following the arrest of one of his oldest friends and associates yet. Kifune Chong attempted his third kidnapping that of Hong Kong's Chief Secretary for Administration Anson Chan but this failed miserably then in January of Nineteen Ninety. Eight police uncovered eight hundred kilograms of explosives planted at several of Hong Kong's government buildings. They traced it back to John. This was perhaps Chung's most serious crime and the police were now offering bribes and reduced sentences for Cooperative Triad Gang members. Eventually a few came forward in a rare collaboration with the Chinese police the authorities were finally able to close in on Chauncey Kung's hideout in China in August of Nineteen Ninety eight. They arrested him on multiple charges including kidnapping robbery and possession of explosives. Still Chong was hopeful. As a Hong Kong criminal he fully expected to be transported across the border from China for a trial in Hong Kong. Moreover Hong Kong did not utilize capital punishment whereas China did if a person committed a crime in Hong Kong but was arrested in mainland China or vice versa. They would typically be extradited to the appropriate side of the border and tried and punished there as the majority of Chunky Kung's offenses were committed in Hong Kong. It was to be assumed that Chung be tried there however in a very controversial move. Hong Kong and Chinese court sidestepped the One Country. Two Systems Policy and decided that Chung could be tried in Guangzhou China. This had never been done before people. In Hong Kong were particularly shocked they valued their justice system as being more fair than China besides Chung was essentially their criminal. The bulk of his crimes had been perpetrated against Hong Kong citizens. One particularly furious onlooker was Gladys Li the former chairman of the Hong Kong Bar Association. She speculated that under such changes a Hong konger could potentially be arrested in China for something perfectly legal in Hong Kong but you're legal in mainland China and therefore face persecution. She felt Chong's case could spell this sort of disaster for Hong Kong citizens as she feared for Hong Kong's economy lawyer Ivan Tang echoed these concerns citing that the failure to extradite. Chong to Hong Kong was also the death of Hong Kong's One Country Two Systems agreement with China even as the details of the kidnappings remained largely private. Chung's case became an overnight sensation. Hongkongers were coming out to protest the trial of Cheung Kong on the basis of their own liberty. No one questioned chunks guilt or that he should be brought to but the blatant sidestepping of one country two systems made them angry who meanwhile in prison John continued to play the part of a high rolling gangster in spite of his legal situation. He relish the attention and his infamy the tales of his gambling exploits were known both inside and outside the prison giving him a sense of pride he becomes somewhat of a folk hero to many people and he wanted them to remember the legacy of big spender by the time. Chauncey trial began on October. Eighth Nineteen Ninety Eight. He had exhausted all of appeals. There was no hope of extradition to Hong Kong from the First Day Chung Z. Kong knew there was little hope of ever again being a free man in a surprising move. He made a full confession on that first day of the proceedings. No more big spender bravado. It was all over now. Hong Kong citizens might have been mad but the world believed he was guilty as he sat in the Guangzhou courtroom John and his lawyer stated repeatedly that his crimes were committed in Hong Kong in a last ditch effort to have him extradited and to avoid the death penalty. There protests fell on deaf ears. Chung was found guilty on all charges and sentenced to on December Fifth Nineteen Ninety Eight. The forty three year old criminal was led out of his prison cell and out into the middle of an empty field. They're a firing squad was waiting for him. He bowed his head and said one. Final prayer then he died. Jong was now dead but to victims still had to move on with their lives. Robert T muller a professor of psychology reports that no matter how long they're held hostage most kidnapping victims deal with some sort of emotional aftermath. They may feel depressed have vivid nightmares and flashbacks and often become hyper vigilant and very aware of their surroundings. Both Victor Li and Walter Kwok displayed these effects following his kidnapping. Victor continue to wrong Cheung Kong industries and expand his father's company into several new areas including telecommunications retail imports. He is now married with children. Those closest to victor however claim that he is still very suspicious of strangers and has a general around people after the incident. He employed a personal security team and he's rarely seen in public without them. Other victim Walter. Kwok suffered silently for many years not wanting to come forward or seek help for depression and lingering trauma ultimately affected his family's business where he had been the top leader Walter's brother Raymond told reporters that after the kidnapping Walter was unable to fulfil his duties. As Chairman of Sung Hung Kai properties. He was suspicious of strangers and overly conscious of how other people were treating him by two thousand eight. He was asked to step down from Sung. I but Walter did find success in his future. After leaving his family's company he went on to found his own successful development company until his death in two thousand eighteen. Thanks again for tuning into hostage and we'll be back next week with another episode. You can find more episodes of hostage and all other podcasts. For Free on spotify not only spotify already. Have all of your favorite music now? Spotify is making easy for you to enjoy. All of your favorite podcast originals. 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"Today provide you with in-depth news and expert analysis ten the who story bigger picture. The news you want to know on today. You're listening to today. I'm e Premier Li challenge as China's determined to keep its major economic indicators in the proper range he made a remarks at the great hall of the people following the annual session of the national legislature, the premier amidst. China's economy is facing new dour pressure against a larger backdrop of slower economic global economic growth is China as tax reductions and fee cuts foster new economic drivers expand market access and boost of italty of the country's vast number of market entities. The world's largest developing economy said the twenty nineteen GDP growth ranch between six and six and a half percent. So now for more in depth analysis of the Chinese premier's press conference were joined in the studio by our current affairs commentator, Victor gal and Michael powers Zurich insurance group professor of risk and finance at team qua- university. And. Also, you can watch a live webcam broadcast of this discussion on Facebook, just search for China, plus news, you may wanna post the questions you want to ask there, and how will pass the questions to our s and also you can download our podcast simply search for a world. News analysis, apple podcast or any other place. You get your podcast for previous episodes and more topics. And now that's began. We're discussion I think we can begin with the first question Premier Li answer this morning about China's macro economic development, so Victor, what can we tell about the major approach of the Chinese government to deal with this downward pressure from this morning's press conference? I think as prime minister Likud mentioned in the press conference. The Chen is covered is fully aware of the risks and challenges in the current economic situation in China and the downward pressure is real on the other hand, I think pre. Nearly could also demonstrated a high sense of confidence in not only being fully aware of the risks. But also being able to stay on top of the difficult situation. Indeed, it is true. That the slowing down of the Chinese economy is generating on other pressure on many other parts of the world, mainly because there is a concern that that demand in China will shrink leading to less demand for products and commodities and raw materials in other parts of the world of therefore, I think primarily cajones remarks should serve as a vote of confidence for investors here in China. But also equally importantly for investors out of China that the Chinese economic growth will be men taint at a higher opera rate at about six. Percent to six point five percent in two thousand and nineteen. And this compares very positively with a girl threats of almost all the other major economies in the world is specially on the basis of an ever increasing size of Chinese economy. So I think more or less I'm very confident about the economic growth prospect despite of gradual slowing down of the growth rate it itself. So Michael, what's your reading of the press conference? And how is the Chinese government planning to do to put the growth target of between six and six and a half? While I I would I agree with thicker. I think that the the government is indicated that it's a wear the the issue the cooling of the economy, but it's not interested in taking a dramatic actions or desperate actions. But rather actions that are are well targeted. Did to the issues at hand, and that will address well will address them most effectively, I think that in particular Premier Li medic clear that the emphasis will be on the fiscal side fiscal policy rather than monetary policy that they the government will be look intending to provide some tax relief for companies in particular through the VA VAT that tax system, and that it also is very focused on maintaining employment and providing new employment for the millions of people that will be entering the workforce. In the coming year. I believe that the estimates are somewhere between ten and fifteen million new employees will be joining the workforce. And I think that Premier Li indicated that although the initial prediction was the China would create about eleven million new jobs. More recently government has come to believe that it would be somewhat in excess of that preps closer to thirteen million on available. And I think that it's through the consumption that will be driven by by full employment or fuller employment and by the ability of companies to invest and expand prizes because of some tax relief. There is really expectation that the economy will cool somewhat. But it certainly will not fall below the range that the government is predicted we'd touch upon several points made by maiko in the later part up the show, but I talk about a bigger picture. We know it's a consensus among Chinese policy makers for in the longer term which ride to a market driven economy, which will make the market play very Akiro as Victor what kind of reforms are still needed to realize that like long term goal. Well, I think one theme very positive about the sing. Vision here in China is that Noah here is complacent. And I think all of us firmly believe that continue the reform and opening to the outside world is absolutely necessary for the continued growth of China. Now, it's very encouraging that in this overall context of this session of the National People's Congress adopted into law, the foreign investment law, and this is absolutely very necessary at this particular moment because it brought in several major changes in the way, how the foreign investment into China will be regulated I of introduced the negative list mechanism. So that foreign investors will no longer a worry about getting approval, for example, if they will investing areas not restricted by the legislative list, Secondly is very encouraging Navarre investments of all kind will get equal treatment as other fall. Terms of investments include interesting, stay don't enterprises, for example, private enter-, private prizes in China, and this will truly level the playground for foreign investors into China is very encouraging to see that. There is a lot of acknowledgement of the importance of foreign investment into China over the past forty years and continuously going forward, including investment as privilege. How mentioned from China's Hong home call and Taiwan promise. This is what are the examples to show that the Chinese system the Chinese government need to continue to work there Asli and relentlessly to make sure that the foreign investments into China will be well received will continue to provide a pillar for the continued economic growth in China. So Victor mentioned this opening up side of the story. Michael, what's your take? What kind of a long reform measures be taken? I think that with regard to certainly with regard foreign investment, China is has been moving in this area. Year-by-year month-by-month really in a consistent manner over time people that you know, commentators might attempt to connect connect to recent policy change recent policy development to trade tensions. But really if one looks back at the past few years and sees the developments that have been occurring. Even prior to the advent of the Trump administration, the United States one sees that there is this this continued opening it's very natural progression. And it comes about because China is a developing nation. It happens also to be the world's second largest economy, but it's a developing nation, and as a developing nation, it has to take or had had to and has still has to take certain steps to protect its domestic. Manufacturers and industries, but over time they can relax and this has been done in a very conscientious methodical way over time. So I think that with regard to foreign investment and leveling the playing field. We are. We are just realizing the the fruits of a long term plan in terms of persisting with the reform of the domestic economy and the promotion of private industry development of private industry. I think they're also on some very good signs coming out of this meeting. And that what we will what we see is that it certainly is is high on the government's agenda to to provide tax relief perhaps to stimulate to stimulate investment by providing some on relief through through the lending of money in banks on change. Being reserve requirements targeted changes targeted interest rate changes and so forth to encourage private businesses, especially small businesses to develop to invest in develop in the next year. So when we talk about this, a general picture of at least short term, economic development, one popular question asked via listeners that what about investment, especially basic infrastructure investment? If now we're talking about the increasing importance of consumption and also a Detroit and certainty surrounding China's export so Victor, how about the importance of investment health who stabilize at least, I think. Over the pasta ten years. Also, the three pillars for the growth of Chinese economy is investment, foreign trade and consumption. So I think investment, especially investment in infrastructure as always being very important pillar of the Chinese economic growth together with consumption and foreign trade now in terms of foreign trade, China's experiencing some ahead wing, especially because of the pressure raised by the United States in tire tariff war trade war against China. And this trait was still going on, and we hope Chinese government and the US government will work together to put some of the pressures behind us. So that we can restore some kind of normalcy to sign oh US trade nine terms of consumption. Absolutely. The Chinese consumer market is already becoming the largest consumer market in the world. And. I think that depth and the width and the sophistication of the consumption marketing China need to be further readjusted because I personally believe there will be increasing demand in the Chinese consumption market for more and more safer better and more sophisticated goods and services in terms of investment, especially in terms of the infrastructure investment. I'm a firm believer that beauty up the infrastructure. The connective, for example, in all parts of China is really a recipe for more and more sustainable future growth in the country. These very large item investments will probably provide a growth potential for the Chinese economy for the coming fifty two long hundred years. This will really make China small in terms of distance foster in terms of the shrinking. Of time in moving goods and services, and ideas and capital of from one place in China to another placing China, and I think this truly accelerates the growth potential in China and will make sure that the economic efficiency in the countries much more enhanced with better connective. So I'm affirmed believer in a great supporter of these very large item infrastructure investment projects. So Michael, what's your take on these like to what extent are we readjusting the relations between among the three pillars? I think that we're we're I would like to pick up from from victims comments is is to emphasize that the government continues to policy of heavy investment and infrastructure in the rural areas of the country and the rural areas of the country still hold the huge population. And that population offers a potential demand and. Demand for products that will will help to boost on the economy in the years to come. So I think that what what we what we heard from from the meeting is that the government plans to to stimulate a demand for goods and services in in the rural area to continue invested infrastructure to stimulate demand of in particular to provide more access to online services. So that purchases can can be made online and the same types of opportunities. That are currently available to us living in Beijing are available to people living in the countryside. I so I think that those those areas are very or that airing particular the rural areas, very important terms of stimulating demand and overall the pillar of consumer demand is extremely important and very prominent at the at the moment, and I think that what we will see is in addition to to. Mm things already mentioned the government is going to be providing we'll be providing various types of subsidies and trying to prioritize the development of certain injury in industries such as a new technology vehicles, energy efficiency, and so forth. Thanks takes your rate here in the next segment will address some specific issues we mentioned in the first second about China's macro economic development yards Ning to today. Stay with us. China. Plus dot cri dot CNN is your home for everything you want to know about China. The latest news in China and everything China related from around the world. Everything can focus all in one place bringing you vital information feel business and travel Chinese culture language, learning and mall, shine, A-plus dot CO, arrived dot C N, China, plus dot cri dot C, N your portal into today's middle kingdom. You're listening to today were discussing China's domestic issues and also it's foreign policy. Now, let's talk about this tax cut and fee reduction. We mentioned in the first segment so Victor Premier Li talk about this this morning that it will be implemented in coming month. So how effective do you expect those policy their impact on the private sector? Ward a small businesses. Well, I do hope the policies announced by premier leakage. This money will be. Implemented a very faithfully. And the results will be. Very well felt in the business communities on the other hand allow me to emphasize that the Burton's on the Chinese companies, especially for the smaller medium sized the privately owned enterprises are very onerous. It's not only the income tax faced with, but also, including all the tariffs and charges and levies that the various government entities tend to Levy on these enterprises, and I think combined together the tax and the levies and charges of fees. For example, actually, add up to a very large button all these enterprises, especially for small medium sized the privately owned enterprises. And I think it is time for the government to take very affirmative measures to make sure that the burden on the companies will be lessened and the companies will really be immense. Pated, for example, at least they're overal Burton should be compatible to for example, the US companies after the massive federal corporate income tax reduction because otherwise a we are really put up so much burden on the Chinese companies or eventually they're visionary and productivity will be severely handicapped. Not only for production here in China. But also, especially in terms of competition with their counterparties in other developed countries so victory mentioned implementation. Do you foresee any particular difficulty challenges when he comes through the implementation process of of course, there will be difficulties for example in China because the countries so bake, and we have a structure of the central government and the top provincial governments in the middle. And then city and local government. On the third tier? Don't forget. Each of these provinces the size of a country in Europe, for example, in many other parts of the world, and sometimes the central government makes the right decision. But there is a kind of attempt at the regional level or the local level tried to succumb spent the central government's decision and tried to really wiggle there. Some rooms into the experiment implementation of these policies. But eventually the end result is that the culprits actually find themselves very helpless in dealing with these very excessive of burdens on the companies, and eventually, for example, some of the companies have to close down or reduced staff. The have for the employment or even for example, sometimes they need to relocate to some other countries or. I hope the policies and decisions announced by Premier Li Chang. First of all be very much faithfully implemented and the government should not stop here. The government should really size up the situation ongoing basis and really come up with more tax incentives. So that the Chinese companies of all kinds, we will have a much less Burton im- going forward in doing that business and also in terms of competing with that counterparties in other parts of the world. Right. So Mike another challenge. I can think of is when we talk about his text cut. We can imagine. There will be less fewer fiscal revenues for government. Not just the central government Republic, probably different governments from different levels. So how is the Chinese government trying to go with this situation? Just to step back moment provide a little background. Minder standing is that actually last year? There was also a an intent to to lower taxes and to to grant relief and the tax the the tax relief was provided. But at the same time the collection mechanism was reformed. So that tax companies that hadn't been paying what they should have been paying in the past. We're being brought up to date, and we're we're paying the appropriate mounts. The government had made some improvements in the system that the victims was talking about on the several several level system with cities and provinces and so forth. So the collection mechanisms should be improved. There should be a now with with the indiv- indicated VAT reductions, which are which are well targeted. They're they're different reductions for manufacturing construction financial services with with with these reductions, I think that what you'll see is that the government does. Have the ability to collect the taxes that that are in effect. And if there are lost revenues of they will they have very clearly indicated that these will be we become consented for a couple of different ways one is by reducing spending in other parts of government, and that that's also difficult to implement, of course in any country. But my my my sense is that the government is comfortable that they can achieve some some reduction in cost in those expenditures. And in addition, and what I think it is very important favorable is the indication that there will be transfers a fund from largest, so we which which perhaps have received some favorable treatment in the past and have excess capital that will be traff transferred into the government revenue to to make up. For lost tax dollar touch. Renan be the come out of the new system. So Victor, what's your take a particularly Michael nation. This methods to ask some SO to to transfer some money to to make up the loss out. What you raised just now is actually philosophical question. One line of argument, always says that the governor to collect more money and the government need to have a larger budget, for example, the need to spend the money for of IT of reasons, and if they collected less than they have less to spend and the people eventually will suffer. But on the other hand, there is another line of argument, which always says that the government actually does not need to connect so much money. They actually should spend less, and they should be more efficient. They should avoid the white elephant projects on the white elephant events, which cost so much money. Which are so ravage laugh. Vish for example, and they should really practice frugality, and this should really avoid spending too much on the tax payers money all these big item events now. And this line of argument always says that eventually the government reduces the burden on the companies or the individuals, actually, you have the effect of creating a logic high. So eventually in do 'cause at least the government eventually actually get more revenue coming in from the culprits off from the individuals. Now, I would say the immediate concern right now, the Chinese communities faced with is that we need to really make sure that the people have enough money to dispose of by themselves, and the companies should have a much less burden for example. So that they can increase their productivity and. Then I personally would appeal to the cover nature's is that they should avoid spending so much on some of the very much big show events, for example, that we will achieve more or less the same result without over spending the money for the show of these events think of much that's a rep up the first staff of a program in the next half. We will continue our discussion about China's domestic issues and is foreign policies. Join our panel today's our current affairs commentator, Victor gal and Michael powers Zurich insurance group professor of risk and finance at the university. And also, you can watch a live webcam broadcast of this discussion. Facebook can just search for China. Plus news on Facebook. You may want to post your questions online and will pass to questions to our guests to answer. And you can also download our podcast simply search for. World. News analysis, apple podcasts where any other places. You get to our podcast for previous episodes and more topics. You're listening to today. Stay with us. Listening to today. I'm sue each as Premier Li Coachella the press on Friday at the great hall of the people after the conclusion of the annual session of the National People's Congress, the national legislature hearing, China, so this absolute where discussing China's domestic issues and is foreign policy. Our panel is our current affairs commentator, Victor gal and Michael powers Zurich insurance group professor of risk and finance at Qinghua University. You can watch a live webcam broadcast of this discussion on Facebook and also on Twitter just search for China. Plus news, you can also post your questions there and will try to answer those questions and don't forget, you can also Dalo to our podcast simply search for world. News analysis, apple podcast, where any other places you get to our podcast for previous episodes and other topics you may find interested, and that's continue our discussion about China's economic issue and other. Topic? We mentioned in first-half is this foreign investment law. They tire law was released actually earlier today. And I need doesn't take many long for anyone to finish the whole thing. So Victor, how big of a change does this law would make I mean to replace the previous separate laws in this room. Yes, I think the preparation for this new law has taken several decades actually of there have been a preliminary proposals to all kinds of amendments or changes to the previous regulations company for investment in China fall. Yes. And this session finally all the good work over the years combinations. Being a good debate among the delegates of NBC and eventually passing this law as we just mentioned, I think there are two key. Provision. One is the negative list provisions and the other one is the leveling of the play ground for all kinds of enterprises, including foreign investments into China. Now. I personally believe this were really create a lot of predictability and transparency and freedom of all the enterprises coming from all parts of the world into China because they will no longer go through the so-called approval process. They just need to make sure that the investments they will make in China. I'm not the prohibited on the negative list. Dow let me just be very briefing Razi an example, previously, for example, the Walzer rule saying any provincial government in China can only approve for investments up to thirty million US dollars for one single investment. And keep in mind. We're talking. About these provinces, which are emitted cases are larger than a country in Europe. For example. There are so many provinces like the Citron province hurting them province Cuando province Shandong province, for example, which have each population of more than one hundred million and to have these kind of regulatory approach bishops on the pods on the Chinese province. You'll governments proving for investments now is very clear, it's a kind of unnecessary entrance. And I think using the negative list will really free up not only for investors come into China. But also, the government's at different levels in China to be more focused on what they are good at in doing rather than all the paperwork all the red tape, for example. And I think foreign investors will be much more enabled when they do these investments into China. Soul. I believe this foreign investment law will become a new landmark in any Janet will really become a new enabler for investments. And this also demonstrates that this at this particular moment of China's growth, we fully acknowledged the importance of the foreign investments into China over the past forty years, and we want to make sure that the foreign investments are continuously welcomed and will become increasingly important. Because nowadays when we talk about for investments is not only the money they bring in. It's also the technologies the technical know-how the brand's distribution network and the new way of doing things locking things. I think all these are absolutely what China will need in many years to come into the future. So Michael, how do you expect this will be received by other countries, particularly the business world? I think that will. Be very well received. And I think victims, right? This is a landmark in sense going to going back to something. I said earlier this is an indication that China believes that it no longer needs to protections for various domestic industries, even though it is still a developing Connie, but they're now creating this level playing field and apart from the negative list, which is really items that have more of perhaps national security strategic of concern, and aren't aren't there primarily for protectionist types of reasons the country is ready for for competition for a level playing field and full competition. So I think that foreign foreign investors potential foreign investors, foreign governments will see this as a very positive step. But I think in addition to this. The indication the statement by. Premier Li regarding the technology transfer issue, and the fact that it was not part of China's law was not part of the Chinese policy that that companies foreign companies would be forced to transfer technology as part of the joint ventures, and China, I think that that will also be seen very favourably abroad. And the fact that the the central government has as indicated an intent mechanism for dealing with infractions of that that sort of forcing technology, transferring if it Kerr's is particularly important, and is something that that investors will look at very closely as well as foreign governments. So another side of the story. I can't think of like Mike just mentioned less protection and ready for competition. What about domestic players like Victor, how quick do expect? This will put more pressure on Chinese. Domestic players in work in general. That's. There is a level of concern among domestic players because that has always been level of apprehension that once the country opens the door wider for foreign participation. They'll be negative pressure on the players probably will be faced up with more pressure more competition, for example. However, I think we need to look at the situation in a different way that is philosophically speaking more competition there is the better it is for China as a whole and also it is better for the Chinese players why because no one in China shoot build itself into big room of protection of our example, set behi- wall of protectionism tried to seek the level of safety all comfort in protected environment. Was we have more level? Playground once the country's more and more open to all kinds of competition, for example, including foreign competition. The environment of the business who will actually become healthier a more positive. So I hope our domestic companies will learn this not only from philosophical perspective. But also chewy know that this is the time to live up to the expecations live up to the pressure from everywhere or any corner in the business community and the key to a better survival going forward is always a relentless endeavor and innovation and entrepreneurship and don't be afraid of competition from foreign parties coming to China. A welcome such competition as an opportunity and eventually a more competitive. World will generate a result of better qualities banter products at safety records for any and all the players in doing business here in China facts, little reminder, while listeners you can also watch a life wet Cam broadcast of this penalty, Scott on Facebook and also on Twitter, just search for China, plus news, and also you can post your questions online and will try to answer those questions, and that's move onto innovation. Victor just mentioned innovation at first question is about the sharing Kadhamy earlier today Premier Li set when he comes to several quite high profile like sometimes safety incidents regarding the sharing Connie in China last year. He's he said when it comes to regulation of those new companies he said, not to let be abut war. But instead of also not shutting down once there is a problem so victory. How do you see this approach of the Chinese government to regulate that the new economy? I think you probably are referring to some of the new phenomenon in doing business in China involving new business models, for example, in China from the government's perspective there is an eagerness to promote more innovations, and they actually tend to approve for new types of businesses Neil concepts, for example, new business models, which many other countries of the government's all the regulators actually have a higher level of scrutiny against these businesses as primarily John correctly Pontius out where you do allow these new business models to take place all even to flourish. There are both pros and cons. There are rewards as well as risks. And because many of these new. Business models are completely new and the country all the consumers all the society at large forty prepared or sometimes they don't even know what will be the downside of the negative all damaging consequences. They will bringing sometimes we end up with some huge losses. Autism centers. All Business Times, for example. However, I think primarily giants also very correctly pointy out that the government should really be more balancing dealing with this on the one hand, I think China student to really adopt a very on day shis way in encouraging these new businesses in taking shaping China. But all the other hand, I think consumer protection and fraud prevention and in false -ment of all kinds and also a mechanism which can really spot some of the foul play mechanisms in these new business models. Should take place that eventually while we give them enough incentive to try and experiment with new ideas and new concepts. There will also be very speedy and effective mechanism to pick up the signals of foul play and eventually come to a quick solution of these major problems to avoid major disasters all very bad consequences of Chinese consumers. Right. So my code like Victor mention it's not just an issue in China. We know there is a debate in other parts of the world about regulation on those like internet giants were companies. So what's your observation of the approach of the Chinese government? I think that the the controversies that exist on the maybe the calls for regulation differ by country and differ by continent on in the United States. Their concerns about. Out some of the the the very big high tech companies and often they had to do with privacy issues privacy issues. But then also there their shoes of monopoly control of information and control of the use of information. And of course, then in those interplay with that in privacy. So that people are actually calling to break up some some of the big players at the moment. I'm not sure how that's going to play out Europe has expressed concerns in the privacy area privacy is for the past. Couple of decades has been a bigger concern. I would say in Europe than it was in the United States. And and so they're probably that will be more of the focus than issues of monopoly concentration and so forth. I in China. I think that with innovation is Victor said there, and it really depends on what? Industry looking at and who the possible winners and losers? Are we have in the sharing economy the shared bike market, where investors lost a lot of money? I think many of those investors were actually quite well to do investors. And so perhaps if they are informed investors, and they lose money that's less of a concern that if they are small small retail investors in the area of online lending, shadow banking, peer to peer lending particular. There is concern. And there there have been a concern with with people lending investing. That are not such that is not such well to do wealthy individuals and in that area, it it's more important that the government play a strong regulatory role to protect the smaller investors. And indeed, that's what happened in that industry. And the the government has taken some. Great strides to reduce the reduce the dangers are just influence on the dangers of the shadow banking industry as part of its overall de leveraging effort, in fact, I would say that perhaps that area is the most successful in terms of reducing inefficiency of through through excessive lending. So I think that innovation. Yes. I think China is maybe because of of the maybe the civil Justice system, the nature of the regulatory system the stratification of government, but the the principal control from the central government of certain types of regulatory issues. I think that it can allow the development or experimentation of of certain types of products that other countries might be reluctant to do. And but at the same time, it it has the the ability. To intervene much more quickly than some other countries such as the United States where other the system requires often requires the use of the court system to accomplish regulatory end, which can be accomplished in China much more quickly through the regulatory authority directly. Thank you very much before we enter our a second minutes. Take a short break. Here. You're distinct today stay with us. From breaking news and stories that matter to you. Find us on Twitter by searching for China plus news, where we'll share with you are up to the minute news in-depth analysis and live streaming videos. Visit China plus news for your window on China and the. Hi, this is entertaining. The today's show bring experts, local and international perspectives on China's economic and business issues having been in law government and finance in the United States. I find China's economic lick level fascinates and hope you do. Also. Thank you for listening. You're listening to today. I'm sweet Chinese Premier Li Challe meta press on Friday at the great hall of the people after the conclusion of this year's session of the Nash annual session of the National People's Congress. So this absolute where discussing China's domestic issues and also some of foreign policy. Our panel is current affairs commentator, Victor gal and Mike appears Zurich insurance group professor of risk and finance at university. A reminder for our listeners can also watch a live webcam broadcast of this penalty Scott on Facebook and also on Twitter just search for China plus news, and now let's continue our discussion since we're talking about innovation. I wanna bring up a topic five G A personally formation is that probably these days, we focus too much on the competitive side of the story of the five technology instead of the the real benefits or maybe real business models five G cambering to the world to China. So Victor, what's your observation? Of the casing China. Well, first of all five G is Israel five G is coming and five t will completely reshape the whole world in terms of all walks of life. And in terms of how things are down by companies by society by the government or by individuals. So let's face up with this great megatrend and the realities. Secondly, there are Chinese companies including hallway, for example, which are indeed in the cutting edge of the five G technologies. Third point let me and allow me to make a five G as far as I understand will involve at least two aspects. And these two aspects are very combined together like the two sides of the same coin that is one side is the infrastructure. The other side will be the applications which will be build our top of the applications. Not both are equally important. Let me give a point of my own personal observe -ation too many countries in the world. Now, if you do not build up a very high-quality five, gene at work, the applications eventually you will add on top of the five G network will be garbage in garbage out. So those countries will eventually lose out on two fronts. First of all, you have less of a high quality and affordable and reliable and safe a network to start with Secondly, all the applications you build on pop up that we'll be sub quality now in five G because the much more advanced an accelerated speed as seamless applications. You cannot really a fault to be amiss by any chance in terms of let's say pilots, Dr pilotless driving, for example, if your net. Network is not really up to standard. If the applications are up to standard, you will be talking about loss of human lives. So I would say for all those governments which are really tried to use either protectionism to screen outset and company in favor of others, for example, or for example, out of desperation or ever seeing for example, instinct, they are really going to cause a lot of harm to their own country and to their own consumer. So I would say when mankind is all the threshold of with this young going through the five G revolution. Let's be very objective. Let's be very much focused on the real thing. That matters that is a high quality network of five G and on top of at all. The relevant applications on top of the network. So Mike, oh, how'd you evaluate the potential of g in China? I figured some it's going to be dramatic. If I had any concern concern would be that. Perhaps as says, the technology is fantastic. It's a great step forward. If there's a concern, it might be that perhaps we don't yet have the applications for some for some of the potential that's being offered. The biggest area where people talk about applications is in the so-called internet things any kind of mechanisms that require not just rapid connect collectively. But a constant dual back and forth collectively multiple connections to the same note. And so forth will be enhanced. So the for example, the the driverless vehicle or the driverless or the pilot's drone. All of these things are now an experimental stages. China's doing it the United States is doing it Europe to doing. But it will be the ability will be greatly enhanced in terms of the amount of information in the speed that the information of can be transmitted which will greatly reduce the potential for accidents. And and other types of of damage or inefficiencies that could result from the system. So I really think that we will begin to see a more use of of these interactive things these mechanisms that we can perhaps ourselves, but certainly as government or companies will be able to provide a through internet connections. We probably will be able to to access more and have control over more things through our smartphones much as somebody today might be able to control a drone through a smartphone. And that seems pretty remarkable. We'll be able to do many things we'll be able to perhaps. Have much much better interaction with delivery service. We will perhaps be able to follow our package. A not just once it gets to the delivery person at the final stage, but everywhere through the process and not just by seeing something presented on a computer screen, but by interacting and asking questions moment by moment. I think that there there really are tremendous potentials of that will come about. And I think that re- referring to to something that we covered earlier in terms of the regulation that that is is likely and that his needed. This is something I mean, one difference is of course, in terms of the technology choices that the different countries make in the competitiveness and other things that are involved with that. But in terms of the regulation, this is an area in which I think that there could be very dramatic differences between China and the United States because of the the nature of. Civil Justice system and the types of regulations that come into play when one is flying drone around or one is driving a vehicle around and they're human beings at risk. I think that the the ability to to introduce pilot programs and speedily improve this market is something that China may be able and our vantage the China may have over the United States. Thanks was to have time to address a foreign policy question. This morning Premier Li shell made it clear he said, it's basically impossible to decouple China and the United States, so Victor, we understand that this general attitude. Well, I think primerica channels very confident of very balanced and very much composed in describing China's foreign policies as well, as for example, very important relations between China and the United States. It also demonstrates the level of confidence PR. America John himself as one as as represented by him, the Chinese leadership as a whole in terms of understanding the real crux of the better in China US relations. I think it's very courage in the Chinese leadership is very fully convinced that a nothing fundamentally wrong will happen between China the United States causing resulting in that de-coupling of the China US rations after all China US relations are very much intertwined with each other and the two economies are very much interconnected with each other and trying to achieve completed de-coupling will first of all not be possible. Secondly, it will be hugely damaging to the fundamental interest of the American people to start with. But also, of course, will be damaging to the Chinese people. And therefore, I hope they'll be no one. Really out of their decency or out of their mind in trying to pursue such a fraud the policy of trying to decouple the economy's all this society at lodging China with that of the United States. It's a mission impossible. I think the better way as the Chinese leaders have described again, again is whether you like it on China and the United States will need to learn how to get along with each other. Thank you very much. Unfortunately, that's all the time. We have for this edition our panel. And I wanna thank our guests current affairs commentator, Victor gal and Mike appears Zurich insurance group professor of risk and finance. It's university. And don't forget you can't download our podcast searching for world news analysis. I'm sweet have nice weekend.
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"Did you know that you can make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. If you haven't heard about anchor. It is the easiest way to make a podcast and best of all, there's absolutely no charge to do so. They have creation tools that allow you to record an editor podcast right from your phone or computer. And anchor will distribute your podcast for you. So you can be heard all over the place on apple podcasts, spotify Google podcast, and more. It is definitely everything that you need to make a podcast. In one place one stop shop. Make sure that you download that free anchor APP or go to anger DOT FM. To get started. and. You are tuned in to a female hosted podcast values you. And your time. Each week I will deliver short and sweet perspectives with no sidekick. So please sit back. Put your feet up. And allow me to bring you. His point of view. Welcome to his point of view I am your host Istria. And today, we'll be talking about your sleep style. What is your asleep style? How do you sleep at night? Are. You aside sleeper Or? Do you lie flat on your back. There is such as body language in bed and I did research looking up. Reader's Digest. Dot Com and better sleep dot org. The first type of sleepers fetal position sleepers. That is. Me It's the most common. Sleep position. Twice as many women. Sleep like this then men. It says that we tend to be sensitive, but we have a tough exterior. We feel the need to be protected. It says that we are personable although we are shy at first. And it also implies that we are introverted. So does this apply to you? Further those who sleep. On their side with their arms stretched out, they call that the urine her position. It says that you are open. You are not as gullible. It also says you can be complicated. But Open. Minded. and. Once you have your mind made up, you stick to it. Next for those sized present Li- like log with your arms at your sides it says that you. Are Social. And Easygoing Your popular. But you are gullible. Is. This you. Research shows that it's safer to sleep on your right side because it's better for your heart. And that's the site that I. Try and sleep on. So I guess I'm good. For those of you sleep on your back. It says I says that you tend to be in the twenty five or thirty, four year age range. It says that you tend to wake up refreshed. It says that you are snores. And you tend to be a positive person with a strong personality. Some of US soldiers sleepers it says it's your quiet. Strict. And have high standards. Nonni back sleepers. For those of you who sleep on your stomach. First of all, it says it isn't for you those of you with large breasts or pregnant found. It's not recommended. It sends that you tend to be heavy drinkers. You might work in agriculture. You tend to be between the ages of forty five to fifty four. And you don't like surprises. I know a couple of people like that. Just based on those characteristics need to ask them if they sleep on their stomachs. then. You have the starfish those who sleep starfish it says you are selfless. And Good Listeners And then of course got those who sleep in different positions, it says that you have a multifaceted. Personality. And you tend to work. In a job with. And Utilities. Interesting. Which? Type of sleeper? Are you? Feel free to let me know. In the comments. You have been tuning in to dress point of view. I can be heard on pod breathe network. Good. PODS. Top black podcast. Google podcasts. Apple podcasts. Anchor. Breaker. spreaker. And more. Feel free to leave me a comment on my website www dot trai his point of view. DOT, com. Or on social media. I'm. On facebook and I G. His point of view as well as twitter. dray appoint. It's been my pleasure bringing you. A part of me. And I hope. That you remain. To be a listener. Until next time. Take care.
Is social media killing your identity?
"Makes you happy. It just depends on so thank god. They don't bigger and could do well to conduct the episode of the podcast. I'm so happy to have you back in just like always. Your presence is laughing to this podcast. Because you're what makes us special annually for me and britain's podcast so let's get started something that needs to be discarded on something. Let's see frieden line Talking about so far. Also just a kramer this going to be a sensitive wrong for a lot of view and trust me. It's okay if you don't agree with me. It's okay if Sit twelve with you all in asking to do is to infect to hear out by perspective into see if it's walk Satisfy you can dismiss it if you want. You can keep it if you want so. Let's get started In the last episode we talked about imposter syndrome and imposter syndrome is the ceiling. Get everything that we are fraud and they don't fit eighteen among the people that were around this nagging feeling dan. We're going to be caught one day for all play or the facade that you put on for so long and honor. Competitions are just a fake. Our accomplishments are not chew. So this feeling that we get is called pasha syndrome. Now wait a talking about something. That's related to probably read the title of this episode. So you know what i'm talking ma. It's social media. So of course on fox are very active on media. Most at least me know what it is. So unless live on iraq you know what social media has. It is all those things that keep you connected with people online so simplified Received as something that keeps us connected to a human beings to digital platforms because of course code with everything else. It's been hard to find collectively. It's been hard to you. Know not feeling Lonely and to have someone else's viewpoints right on a touch of handwrite on the tip of for fingers during so it's those benefits associated with really enjoy because we're able to connect with people were able to share joy or sadness or share. Whatever the other person's fearing just with a picture to their staffs just through so many other colorful paying social media puts across our screen for us to see and uneventful agreement of it because it has dropped in a lot of good things in our life. I mean it happened impossible for me to talk to my friends during kobe. If it weren't for let's face worn for need to see their instagram's and see what they're doing in to be able to see how they're enjoying for what they're doing with their time. The home the quarantine so things like that has been very helpful in terms of staying connected with people normally would have fallen out of touch just because of being a toddler connectivity. Where do we stop in. Right is very we. Draw the line very known that it's starting to impact us in a negative and first of all. What is that negative alien. How does it take to the level where it completely butchers are self esteem or self confidence and in a way causes an identity crisis so first of all the thing that social media does for australia presents a part of the picture of other people's lives. I mean just being on you're able to see what other people are doing and how they're enjoying life. Let's say you see you open instagram. You see a story from a friend who went out on a saturday night. Their friends and they were partying or anything like that. I mean kuwait could say they were at home. Having a good time with the family posted a snatch our like a picture of their moment there will smiling little. Kathy got a good time cooking. Because it's a saturday night at home so things like that now. That pictures was think about it. Do you think this is what they were doing. The holiday and i you're gonna say no very prompt and you're going to say that you know of course like i know that social media has pictures and as part of the day to day but hear me out while they see on social media is what people want us to say rates overseeing is image of. What's being put out for us to say so like a good metaphor for Tip of the iceberg. What we're seeing is just what they're doing on the outskirts. You never know what happened in that kitchen. You never know if that person is not settled with them or not. I mean good for them. They are unhappy. Mud saying run has disabled relationships with their mothers one. I'm trying to say is that there's so much that goes on in the background that we don't know about and just by the outer image of things we tend to judge upon it tend to Become sure overseeing so. Li li compare others outskirts with our internal. So we compare others externals with our internal than this fits right into the ideal social media. Because we're able to see how happened. Someone looks how much they're enjoying their time. But we don't know what's going on in the inside and this has the ability to completely completely. Take down our confidence our self esteem or walgreens during the our lives in just being able to see that or this person of enjoying this night with the mom i might become sad. The why do i not have that close relation. My mom used to cook with her. Make cookies with our little. That's not true. I'm not baking cookies in her. There are other ways express than we do a lot of other things. So maybe maybe we need to start drawing lines for what we see on. Social media does not become internalized into who we are or. It's it's not a race trying to run. I know it can be hard because the are it's very easiest cape from our reality. Sometimes you don't feel like we don't. We're at work gorgeous simply procrastinating. It's easy to just open up your lock screen to perform and pop up any of the social media apps and than there used tooling start seeing videos up. Bq happy because first of all. That's what the algorithm the algorithm is supposed to the algorithm and social media. Supposed to show you the things that make you happy. Let's say all the things that you're interested in like i have kurdi hair And i used to be very into looking at like the girls here and see how they keep up with the her. Or what did you do to manage it. And they learnt it of course right like. That's all the people on the Out there doing the building of algorithm very strong so that the able to engaged. Now i i would start schooling. starts all these gorgeous with perfectly pretty cardi hair and my initial motivation for looking at apple's just to learn how to how to keep the her credit cards like some sort of curbing training some sort of shampoo. What is it rate. But then slowly turned into me comparing right here with their hair. And that transitioned into me comparing my puberty or our local physical appearance with someone else's call appearance Good as at look as good as they do and before unit it took down as confidence that in field pity anymore. I feel like doing anything with her anymore. Because it just felt like thank like. That's never going to be as good as the person as i was spending hundreds of hundreds of bucks on of these women had and i was trying to follow the advice and a made me even more sad knowing that i'm not able to you know not able to get what i'm trying to get even after falling the steps that someone else did so. This is a very smart example. How social media can slowly creep in your mind. Interprets -nology indefinitely cause a identity crisis. I say that's one side of the social novi comparing in room making ourselves sad about it and we don't even realize because it just seems like on games it's going to be on inch number five minutes taking rake but if the compounding effect it all starts to add up slowly school starts to boot up. I mean seeing one girl one day and then seeing another girl on social media the other day in an starts to boot up everyone out there look so good. Why am i not able to do that or that. Save the food right. Like i would john in scum law flew by the way and i would like double tap Picture off this chocolate cake this one time and slowly. I started listening more chock as on feed more cakes more food or junk food and then of course it so coflin pretty. You know what i'm talking about. It looks so delicious like messy. It would be guard. His they have create hair occurred here and food. So you drew me. Tell what obama priorities lied. And i was willing to my seat in would be liking pose after post food and then I'm also into how the eating on someone who's trapped tries to stay fit so what happened was slowly. I started to feel that everyone on instagram. Where everyone on the social media app about so many people on it are having this deliciously gorgeous food in. They're enjoying their life because they look perfectly fit in beautiful and the food looks so good why why denied myself of this food wine. Not having the stuff that everyone else's enjoying or women not having a chocolate cake simply and that kind of destroyed relationship with food slowly because I started having all those things started having things that weren't good for my body and i'm not saying chocolate cake is bad or any kind of food that are classified as bad but i knew that did not sit while the my stomach and the only reason why i started to have it was because Since everyone else is having it should be good at it is normal and deserve it as well so it took away my personal definitional good or bad for me and i had this definition from society that it made me take on so not destroy relationship. made me overeat at times. It made me eat food. That was not good for my body and it had a direct impact on energy levels. On how i started feeling about myself because of course adding unhealthy food took down my confidence level and things like that they add up. They make the change. We are in south aways and you don't even realize it. So this is one aspect of social media. Ri- bill up our identity. It makes do things that we normally wouldn't have done puts thoughts in our heads. Do not related have would have not had right the other aspect of it is if you open up your social media account if you look at what post your posting may see. What kind of image are you creating argue. That person argue do the people around who really truly know. How would you feel if your mom. So handsome young shields. That's not you. I'm i'm shocked. That doesn't look like it made for some at least through. We have these pictures of ourselves. We re looking nancy happy or joyful. We have like the league. Amazing ramic on social media was a great lives and when we talked like appearance or a core people who know us really well even on our insights. I think we can keep our hand on her out and say. That's that's what truly who i am or that's not that does not represent even one percent of who i am so imagine if someone else landed upon your social media maybe you're putting out an image for them as well to see that makes them question there southward and we get stuck in this infinite loop rear out being others one percents representational social media in It's making us question. Ourself work and you're putting out this picture of herself as one percent of who we are and relenting make someone else question their for now. I'm not saying your intention or someone else's intention is bad because all of us do it out of you know. We want a few good luna show that we got something good if he is nice to show will be happy with the word but oftentimes all it does is it feeds are eagle and either That it destroys our dogs on the insides Destroys others because it drops us of the tent city robs us off our image because we try to be known for someone else for the world to see. We're not meant for eight thousand people to look at our locators and judges who we are and then you have to keep up this facade to impress people so definitely if if you're able to see what i'm getting at social media. Ads impartial syndrome. Because when we started feel that we don't belong everyone out. there is having a good night. Good time saturday night. But i'm out here at home. You're and suddenly i feel like a misfit salting all these things add up into making us or software at times and i might only ask here i don't have any kind of action steps Only as for you is boomer. Mindful social media. Try to see what it's doing to try to see what you're seeing on your feed Ready to come from because let's say the food it can't maybe one day. I crave chocolate cake. That started this whole impact off feeding the food. So what started that State dot com on your social media. Why are you see what you're seeing wise. You feed food with things at us is sad. The thing you're lacking in your life becoming more mindful ass makes us question more. Things makes us things that we would have normally thought about and using social media carefully we can do wonders for us but if the use it if the social media uses us than you no one can save us. Because then we'll be used social media the victims office and not the other way round To use social media jim benefit. Do not let me to use you and this could be done in thousand as for me. I started limiting screen time for me. I started instagram Notifies if you have exceeded its own mount vanishes excellent. Because tell you. Hey you've been here for too long when you're minutes exit the app try to make those features because they are for your benefit now that is using socially to your benefit and do not completely cut it off. Because then you might have a Wanna go rushing back to it and it talked to completely cut out things like that. So maybe baby steps and start noticing. What it's jane to you and what the impact is an thank you so much for listening. I hope this helps. Oughta hope. I hope social media is used to your benefit and not the other and have a great day. I am so happy that you spend time with. I'm super grateful for the person you are your unique and just remember that i.
December 14, 2019: The Sweet Dew Incident
"The today is Saturday. December fourteenth two thousand nineteen on this day in eight thirty five. I've seen e a plot hatched by China's Emperor Wenzong and his cronies to kill the court eunuchs backfired instead dead the UNIX used their own army to slaughter more than one thousand government officials and their families. You're welcome to day in true crime. PODCAST original due to the graphic nature of today's crimes listener listener discretion is advised extreme. Caution is advised for listeners under thirteen today. We're discussing the sweet dew incident one one of the bloodiest episodes in Chinese history. Now let's go back to the morning of December fourteenth eight thirty five Z.. E. A little after eight. Am Twenty six year old emperor Wenzong called the imperial meeting to order before him stood collection of generals officials and court eunuchs the the usual audience Wenzong. ID UNIX carefully. He'd spent the summer trying to figure out how to dismantle their power UNIX UNIX had their uses but they weren't to be trusted they were too wealthy too manipulative to skilled at bribery and gossip gossip and secrets. It was time to teach them all own lesson. Wenzong I'd one of them carefully. You choose chalet on this one. He'd made the leader of an army over the summer to help quell rebellions outside the capitol. Now now when song regretted this so he'd hatched a plot to ambush the UNIX and kill them along with Chancellor Lee Hsien and General Chung-shu in a few days time they would gather the UNIX together in one place and set an army of soldiers cheers upon them. It was an ingenious plan and certain to succeed but now General Han Year of the left. Tsinghua Tsinghua Army rushed into the hall. He spoke bowing. Forgive me for the interruption emperor but it seems is that last night sweet. Do fell on a pomegranate tree outside the left Chin. Woo headquarters the appearance of sweet. Do do was an auspicious omen. It meant that an emperor had received divine favor. A strange coincidence Wenzong thought. Could it have something to do with their plot. He said we must all go. Observe this sweet. Do for ourselves Lee should you. You will go first. They all proceeded to Han you on hall and to the Pomegranate Trees. Choose choose shila walked behind with the rest of the UNIX as an army commander. He tried to look more authoritative but he was cursed with the bird like gate of a eunuch toes out short steps and a slight lean forward. It was as if his body remembered the wound made so long ago. Chew followed the Imperial Procession into Han Yuan Hall Chancellor colletion left with his men to investigate the do on. The trees shoot. Didn't trust Lieshan. He'd gotten too close to the emperor too soon. He had a feeling he was dangerous. Leash in returned saying that the sweet do did not seem seem real Emperor Wenzong responded by asking chew and the UNIX to go investigate the do next shoe shoe and the UNIX walked out of Han. UN Hall and into the Xinhua WHO Headquarters Han new waited in the dim light. It was cold in here. There were no walls only long illustrated screens Han. You looked Pale and sweaty nervous. But what could he be nervous about shoe was about to ask when a gust of wind blew up up a screen. Choose blood froze. They're just a few hundred yards away. Stood a group of soldiers. There's swords drawn waiting. It seemed to kill them to and the UNIX turned and Ran Guard started to close the gates to prevent their exit but at the sound of choose voice they froze allowing the UNIX to run Tuhan. UN Hall all their the UNIX placed the emperor on the litter then they began to run with it back to the palace. Lieshan tried need to stop them pleading with the emperor not to leave but a eunuch beat Li Shun until he let go. Meanwhile the guards had run into Han. UN Hall and were starting to attack the UNIX. At least ten were killed but chew and and the rest of the UNIX escaped back at the palace chew qat his breath as he looked at the emperor trembling alling and shaking to realize something. The emperor wasn't frightened of those soldiers who had seen amassed outside. He was frightened of to those soldiers had been meant to kill the UNIX and the emperor was in on it shoe who knew instantly who was truly responsible for all of this Chancellor Li should he called his army to order the directive was simple hunt down leash should find him and kill him and kill anyone else. who was his ally friend or follower? It would be a bloodbath of epic proportions. And when it was over nobody Eddie would ever try to ambush the UNIX again up next UNIX conduct a slaughter so oh brutal that it ended a dynasty today in. True crime is supported by better ed or help online counseling people often portray their happiest self to others. Whether it's at work or on social media we often make it appear that we have everything figured out but a lot of times. We don't I know that I don't and if you're like me it's not always easy to ask for help and find counseling. This this is where better help can help you. Better help offers. Licensed counselors who specialize in a variety of issues including depression and anxiety as well as trauma anger family relationships and so many others. And if finding a counselor that lives close to you has been an issue better help allows you to connect privately Lee with your counselor through text chat phone and video calls. You can get help at your own pace and on your own time and best of all you can get help help. An affordable rate today in true crime listeners will get ten percent off their first month with Discount Code today in true crime. That's better so help dot com slash today in true crime. Why not get help better help dot com slash today in true crime now back to the story on December fourteenth eight thirty five C e Tong Dynasty? Chancellor Li should assembled his own army to ambush and kill all of the court eunuchs but his plot plot was foiled. When a gust of wind blew up a screen the UNIX saw the waiting soldiers? They were able to escape before they could be attacked. Hacked taking the emperor with them. They thought it was an assassination attempt. When Eunuch General Chu realized that the EUNUCHS UNIX had been the planned target not the emperor? He wasted no time he ordered the Eunuch led army to go on a rampage. Anyone connected to Chancellor Lee Shin would be killed. Soldiers streamed into government offices and took over the streets of the capital with orders to kill any officials onsite terrified. Civilians tried to flee only to find the gates is to the city closed. The soldiers were only too eager to fulfill their duty when the day was done over. One in two thousand people had been slaughtered including women and children the sweet dew incident. It was the combination of long brewing tensions in the Tong Dynasty during its first two centuries the Tong era produced important advances in art art poetry and printing. But by eight hundred ce this era of peace and prosperity was tarnished by rebellions warring factions of officials and the secret plotting of UNIX UNIX may not have been considered actual people in ancient China But they lead. Privileged lives some worked as gardeners water carriers or watch men while others cleaned the palace and cooked the food. Their lack of sex organs made them safe. They could be around the emperor's wives and concubines with no worried they'd produce use an air living inside the Forbidden City. They enjoyed unheard of power and access. Anyone who wanted to get to the emperor or had to go through a eunuch which meant a eunuch could charge a handsome price. Some UNIX made so much money from bribes the they could buy property of their own near the palace some even adopted children they also had power over the rulers themselves they could easily manipulate an emperor by keeping him misinformed or distracted all while assuming increasing influence fluence of their own. By eight hundred CE uprisings outside of the capitol and instability. Inside the court itself convinced convinced leaders to put UNIX in charge of their own armies. This finally tipped the scales now the UNIX. I had become as powerful as the emperor's maybe even more so given this context it's not surprising. prizing that Emperor Wenzong wanted to make a dramatic move to curb the UNIX power. What he didn't expect was that his plan would go so old horribly wrong after the first day of the slaughter when more than one thousand people died? Chaos and killing continued canoed for weeks Emperor Wenzong was forced to label Li Shun a traitor an issue an edict calling for his and the other plotters. This capture on December seventeenth three days after the start of the killing. The seven closest associates of Li Shen were paraded a-rated into the main square of the capital by now leash in had been captured and beheaded. A soldier was waving lesions head on a spike after being presented at ancestral shrines. Like animals to be sacrificed. The six six men met their fate a swift blow to the waste slicing them in half followed by decapitation tation. Their heads were hung on a gate outside the city the UNIX remained in power for several decades but by by eight sixty ce the countryside was besieged by robbers and bandits by nine seven C. E. B. Empire was is crumbling. The Tong Dynasty which had started with so much peace and culture ended in violence and instability. Thanks for listening today and true crime. I'm Vanessa Richardson today. A day in true crime is a podcast original. You can find more episodes of today and true crime and all other podcast originals for free on spotify. Not only to spotify already. Have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals like today and true crime for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream today in true crime on spotify. Just open the APP and type today in true crime in the search bar at podcast. We're grateful for you our listeners you allow us to do we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and and twitter at podcast network. We'll be back with a brand new episode it tomorrow in True Crime. Today in true crime was created by Max Cutler and is a podcast studios original it is executive produced by Max Cutler. Sound design by Andy Weights with production assistance by Ron Shapiro Carly Madden Freddie Beckley. And Joel Stein. This episode of today and true crime was written by Joanna Philbin with writing assistance distance by Maggie admire. I'm Vanessa Richardson.
562: Arrow S7E20 Review: "Confessions"
"Welcome back to the speedy. Aero cast. I'm Rick Ojos, Dan, Morin, and I am joined by my co hosts in separate interrogation rooms, John Moulton is here. Did you do it? John molds, Dan. I just want you to know because I don't know if everybody who reads, this podcast knows. But I'm incredible park were. I did know that actually. Also here guy English. Stop lines me guy. Tell me the whole story. Well, you know what I look at my friend John Moulton. I just think we have to protect him. I like hearing that. Himself. Mainly we are, of course, year to talk about ERO season. Seven episode twenty entitled confessions which is a pretty good title for this episode since there are many confessions in this episode. Some of them real false. And I believe that guy has chosen to do the recap of this interesting and different episode. I have, and I think just lied to you guys. John before the show, we were saying that this would benefit from, like a thirty mile view. And I guess, sure I got I got little notes, and I did it. We're counting six hundred and eighty five words, so many not as bad as usual, but still not that six hundred drive. See if that's more or less than a number of words in my notes. I have more than that. But that's because. Right, right. Like sentences. And then just that's it. Yeah. Full anyway. Whatever who cares? Nobody gives out this. So everyone cares for you know what, what's really making me hot turn onto the speedy IRA is, how do they take those notes? Anyway. So we opened on a crime scene with two dead guards Ollie, Ollie, and the team were on sight in a separate colored flashback. The gang is discussing how to get the lost chemical weapons bag digging Ali, visit this guy, Mr. Toft at aerodyne industries, he does not seem to want to help at all. So Felicity hacks into this is accounted in interviews and stuff. But basically, the floor vents. Turns out in the fastback Felicity has hacked into toss accounts and determined that he was on the take from the ninth circle. And it turns out somebody else was on the scene. Not just all the team, and it turns out that somebody was a boy, boy, which is awesome. Yeah. You worry park or boy? So, Dan, what's actual name pourquoi? Yeah. Only gets to call them that though. Weird. Do you know what I almost started bidding on that? And I'm like you know what? Just leave that. Dining wants to know where it was after he went missing, and what he was up to but know there's all these cancers, because he was traveling the world thea has it back in the flashbacks, turn the worry tells Ali, that has finally passion which from the sound of it sounds like killing ninjas. Is your passion and destroying Lazarus pits? But whatever it's better, the dating Alex. Moving up in the world. If you're gonna live your best life, it's not going to be with Alex. Voy does. So they've got to infiltrate dine industries to get some McGovern. And so does our court and it is pretty awesome. And then he doesn't even more awesome thing where we flips so down and does a like an arrow trick shot. And then slips through the spinning fan that he just got through and it's a big fight fight fight with a three guys in hoods. In the control room Felicity lies at she didn't see any guards, but she had and leaves to go check things out and saying, we can't just leave them there. She claims not to know where was when the guards were killed. This is all happening in the interview room in SAP boy, getting into by the cops, just like the good old days. And he says he was attacked by ninth circle hoods and in another big fight fight fight. He beats up a bunch of them doing some awesome Perko were fighting. But gets knocked up. During his interview, Diggle says was unconscious when he found him on the floor. They notice that he has blood on his sleeve, and that's not a good sign that people interviewing him I should say Dina and our our biff for this season. I think the hardest, the hardest working constable patrol sergeant being Li things is, is real bad, man. This guy's on the case this it's true. Sensory biff things Li Google that invited out that it's like some classic VC character should too. Pretty good. Anyway. Diggle claims it Vinnie split offer him when he saw it and make it run for it when he chased after her Diggle went to went and found boy, Dan he heard gunshots. Ring out Diggle investigated to find t- dead. Guards Diggle, then looks up sees Renee standing over the bodies holding pipe when be cut to being interviewed, and the cops want to know whether MRs, where his missing glove is that's seems to go nowhere. But whenever in a flashback. Ali checks on venite to make sure he's okay before they go off on this mission that the where things went south on saying that hit become close Emiko kind of a good talk. But basically just setting them up as they both care about Emiko, but. Vinnie has it Real Sociedad on Ali at this point things that she's just like a liar? Wants to be wary of her. As version of the story on interview is that he went after Emiko, and that he didn't catch up to her in reality did, and she holds them at our point, he tries to turn her onto the light sort of the force and she admits the cheap Mr. being the, the lead of the night circle and tells her your mother wouldn't hate what you've become. So she grazes him with an arrow and takes off. Then finds Oliver on the platform over the two dead bodies holding a pipe. Ali says not a smoking pipe smoking. Yeah. Like all the in the conservatory with the lead pipe. Vigilante pipe pretty much that kind of play. If you beat somebody over the head with the pipe. Where did they get that pipe from anyway? Whatever. Pipes dummy. Anyway. On his interview, Oliver says that he book into the ventilation room did a fight fight fight, then he disarmed, the device hurt the shots and then upon arriving on the scene. He says he found his sister Emiko had killed the two guards. We don't see him see that. Back in the in the cave through all having little book club and diner rise. And it is revealed that it has all been a scam. They'd lied and that got away with it because of being xlii as all biff ever turns out to have had the right idea to stymied by superiors. The real story. So now we get to see the whole thing, sort of thing from beginning to end. Dinah is with the team as they go into the subway station, all Ian Dina gets the ventilation moon, voice fights the hoods in the corridor as we saw earlier. But he gets knocked out for a second and then gets up and he goes into a full miracle ridge when the transit officers tried to stop him, he attacks and beats them to death with a pipe that he found on the ground because it's clue. It is clue. Yeah. Mira cooter Rancho. Yeah. But that's what you're reading my notes in time. I have not. You make wrong. This is all in folding you may be surprised did not do an editing pass on this happened before exactly the team arise and ROY is a broken man. They stop from beating on the guy and he's sort of. Can wild-eyed and killed up in a ball. Which is where all he says, we have to protect them all also looking pretty shaken. And then. My nights. I was hoping to just roll into this one, but now you're gonna have to beat it. Oh, shoot that wasn't. Sorry. Shoots turns that wasn't Mira Q. How did that? How did you die is what all he has to ask voi-? I did not see that coming. I actually I got it right before like as right as they're talking about it. I got it. But he says, I think I know what it was. I think right. When he says, I think I yeah, right around the time of that. I think I got there just about the same time all he did. It must be something. I didn't really quite get it. But. I can't remember I think I think before he admits, I think I got it to. But because they were talking if they spent a lot of time talking about the laws, but that was a tip. But like it was it was right around the time. All he says, I, I know what it was like. Yeah. Me too. I did not. I really just thought it was quite then. But anyway, that's my note. Say, oh, shoot. So it turns out during a on the Lazarus ROY took an arrow which is ironic. He says then the're resurrected him in the lasers fit, and then destroyed it. They were trying to keep his, his murderous rage under control. But. Oops, I don't know. He said something about Mira q, who cares doesn't matter which machine. They find emiko's. Luckily, somehow they find although now in hindsight, I guess, it's a set of defined MacOS Hitler. And in what appears to be the dumbest thing dumdum all the his ever done. He tells ROY to come along, because they're a team they just killed innocent. I question that decision as well. All these like you're brother to me come along. And let's put you in another situation where you make people. When he's not being at Dickey's being dumped on. Anyway. All basically manages to confront Emiko, but she's in a glass booth which seems like an obvious. Gimme that I don't know why. Every other villain hasn't thought of that. I. Emiko tells Ali that she didn't warn their father about the bombs on the gambit when she had the chance then she blows all. Yup. Which have to say after all of these years is pretty good. Villain move Ali looks pretty much done for. He's got like a big heavy love on them. So there one one additional detail. He we also have the brief scene where Felicity. Thanks Dina for getting rid of the footage at the subway. Yeah. Right. She says that wasn't me and then Emiko reveals of course, she sent it to fifty fifty Li. Early. So they're going to be in trouble. Yes. They'll get me in trouble. Yeah, I miss that him. And it was actually pretty engaged in the episode vitamin there. Well. It'd be different than I thought exactly. And that's basically the end of the episode little bit of a cliffhanger or cliff follower, cliff cliff, basically, I'm pretty sure they'd just they blew up slabs it again. It's a real big hang. I, I thought this was a really interesting structure to an episode like having the intertwining stories it has like a usual suspects by two it, right. Like, I think that's kind of shooting, or like even the beginning like is Dina says, once he's brought in on the scene where the suspects or something. And so we each get filtered through each of their different perspectives, even though like the thing, that's sort of raised my eyebrows about it was like, why is tying to being so hard on them like this seems really out of character? But when you view it in retrospect, of course, as April, it makes perfect sense that she's trying to distance herself and provide credibility to their stories by grilling them. I think the one thing you really have to. Just get over it except I mean, more than recoup hit some people coming back from the dead. Is that these people kill people every day, like every every week, there's, like just dead bodies everywhere. So. It's a little weird. These guys are being leaving says that's all of it, right. Like you says you killed before, like a lot. But he doesn't mean last week, he means like prior to going jail. Yes. Which is true like you have to get over the conceit of the show, which is when they shoot people and stick them with arrows, they're actually okay or their ninjas in it doesn't matter. Yeah, they're not actual people. There. Yeah. I think that's a bit racist. Well, let me rephrase that they're henchman and they don't count. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. But so I, I really like this didn't go the way expected it to go. Just from the even from this coloring on the, the flashbacks thought was good. I. It was well-structured. It was interesting. It kept me engaged. I didn't see. While it sort of played out not alien to what I was expect any of the characters to do. I, I wasn't sure what was going to happen. And the, the big switch, which we already talked about. I really didn't see coming good on them the so in couple. Interesting things to me. One is the. The reviews where I had a couple of things. Minor le- spoiled for me in that I saw a headline like last night. That was like, I knew ROY was coming back because I had seen the announcement that, that he was going to appear in the present. And then I saw briefly just the the headline of a recap. And it's like Roy's back, and here's a crazy secret or something. And I was like, oh, all right. Well, he's got a crazy secret. There's limited I didn't immediately jumped to he died because, but I was pretty sure that they did a nice job because even though I was kinda convinced going into, like, okay, he must have done something. They deflected enough attention from him that I was willing to buy that, like he wasn't directly involved. And so it ended up being a nice sort of double twist. There I was actually pity showed that he had been the one to murder them. But because we saw him crack earlier this season. And I can't I thought it was just a mirror cuvee laps. And I took it to me that, that's why he's hiding out on the island the beginning, right? Yeah. No. I agree with that. Why did we see him in the flash forwards he flips out or something? Yes. Yeah. You say that I, I didn't think of it during the episode. But now you say I think you're right. Yeah, because it was never clear why he was on the island. Yes. Agreed. Right. Perfect sense agree. Yeah. The other thing I was going to compare it to this, because it was something we talked about totally off topic. A while back was the reminds me of an attempt at doing something like the nine episode in the pale moonlight, where it's a very questionable narrator and be you have our characters making a decision that is actually morally very questionable, right? Like there's a discussion briefly at the end like should we he's like I should turn myself in or something. And they're like, well, then we are going to have to rehash the whole our vigilance, these are bad from the city and we have, like an active threat running around that the are not gonna be able to deal with which is a very practical answer. But yeah, you just covered up your buddy murdering two. Totally in his people. That is not a very heroic thing to do. And it looks like it's backfired on. Yes. Exactly. Yeah. It does. It seems like they're all going to jail, which is. Because it should they should get them in trouble based on, like, yeah, I guess. Yeah. I mean, I guess so, you know, we, we've watched the show for so many years now and let them in let you know and. In order to root for the hero, you have to sort of decide that he can get away with a lot of stuff that I don't think in real life, we would want someone getting away with right. But I think that's the whole purpose of the first six months of the season of putting him in prison was trying to establish, like, there are real stakes now because we like you know, in this that we the shows ending, what if we know we're near the end of the season, all this stuff, we're taking the meta, you know out of it like it should have some level of fear to it. And we also know what happens in the future in that, like vigilantes are really looked down on. And I think we're starting to get to the point of realizing why that is. And huge props to Emiko for not saying that she was twenty steps ahead Develey? I also appreciate that. She's just really effective. She blew him up. She didn't both that much. She stuck with, like an emotional thing. And then just left the scene. Yeah. She doesn't she got she got lucky. Right. Because because the she didn't like they've brought ROY into this, and she just capitalized on it, right. Yeah. That's a great point. And we also haven't seen her. We really haven't seen her morally waffle, like everything, I think, in which that was the case was kind of for show earlier in the season, where we think she's, she all ear, like sort of getting along and breaking down barriers. I think we establish that basically all of that was kind of an act. Like I mean, I think she, I think she could have gone either way when she'd Esther dead for money to start her company. Oh, yeah. But that was well before the events of the season. Yes, yes, that was like the moral turning point, when she burns, the looney tunes plans for the boat think that's. The only thing that I think she is somewhat soft on is Rene. Because I think she could easily have killed him with that shot. Oh, yeah. And she doesn't, I think she very deliberately shoots wound him. I think she does have a soft spot for him. But that's not going to change her mind about, you know, her agenda. No, right. There's not an again. Yeah. Well, I don't think she's not morally wealth there, either no point. She wants to save him. She's like she doesn't want to kill him. She has she postures that he is in danger when he's not really. Yeah. Like she even says, I'm gonna kill you this time. But like it's never gonna happen. Yeah. Yeah. But she's never like she's not a character that we've at this point. I don't think that anybody would think there's any chance of redemption. Right. It's not like laurels situation where it's like, well maybe he'll come around. Right. Like I don't think so. I think wasn't Vince that she she's bad guy. She's convinced Malcolm Merlyn Slade, even slow back around Slade sleigh was different. Yeah. I mean sleep is crazy. And even Malcolm, actually, was that whole thing when he's trying to explain it to, to his son on the good guy. Tommy. When he's trying to explain it to. Tommy is basically a crisis of his own conscience. Right. Like he wants his son to understand go along with him, so that he could feel better about the course of action. He's taken. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So he's trying to convince himself even Malcolm does to have some sort of moral come because he goes back and forth, where he has his kids that he wants to protect and all that. Whereas Elliot, I just mean in the first season when he a big I mean after that. Yeah, but I think Emiko really has like she's just out for revenge. And that point you're totally right. She's a lot like Malcolm in season one. So, yeah, I, I thought that was an interesting conclusion in like like you said, like, John, she's just she's good. She's really good. She's really thought this through. Yeah. Yeah. You know, in thinking back, then it was like I was like, wait a minute, like this seems seems preposterous. How could she have set that whole thing, and then I realize, no, she didn't set the whole thing up. She only took advantage of leader. She grew after they screwed up right? I agree with guys Sussmuth a drink bringing ROY along the end makes zero sense. I don't understand why they don't leave him in the bunker with Felicity. Yeah. Because he's gonna lift up giant, welcome something. There's going to be some drink. He invites him along. And then we don't see any of the team right? They run off in different directions. But, like there's no there's no repercussions for him being invited long. So I imagine the next episode it's going to start. I feel like this is I can't count how many there were this season but I mean, I wanna see, like four where I was watching the episode. And I was thinking, oh, no. This is another one like this. I keep doing it where I think, oh, this is another classic aero episode which I'm not gonna like because it's too plug convenience ploughs, and some of it's still was blocking means but still. When the twist came I was like, okay now this. Okay. Now, this makes sense. Now, this is much better. Yeah. Home until, like three quarters of the way through the episode which is nice. It's nice. Yeah. Yeah. Did so good. So to your point, I did like the change of foam at, like the usual suspects kind of thing because at least that's mixing, it up a little. But you're right. I did feel like it was playing out more or less a standard arrow episode with an ice twist to the, the presentation. And then we got something pretty great out of it. So very happy. Yeah. Couple things. We'll do this. We'll do we'll do the, the ritual wanted to call out a couple of things that I liked in here. One I do. Enjoy ROY coming back down and meeting people in the bunker and Felicity like freaking out. And I think she and Emily records and called Hanes are like, really good friends. Like they haven't had I guess, they, they have a scene together in the flash, forwards, probably at some point. But still, it was very acute moment that, I liked the comment about ROY being incredible Parker which feels like a thing that, everybody, I mean, that was the thing I started reading in one of the reviews might have been on the av club or something. They talked about ROY Parker wearing all the time, and I kind of feel like that was a, a writers, reading those reviews moment and just be like, yeah, let's just like let's throw it out there to say it. Getting to which the fight fights great, but take you voice. Yep. Yeah. Was good. All these in the room with the bomb was pretty solid and within without Dina, the guy with the crazy shock staff that was kind of by the way, you've stumbled upon our sponsor. Oh. I said lecture Steph. Electric's ten percent off electric staff. Yeah, it's, it's a big Longstaff with spoke bits at the end and it's used by bad guys. We all we all get one for free. We did we did from battle droids on separatists who's using cluding general from cells. Share? And now it's available to wash outs from the league of essence. So if you order now thrown about it is, it's really great for jump starting your Spartan helmet. Got a heads up helmet. That works. I really liked all of verse thing at the end where even though misguided as it might be when Oliver tells ROY that they've covered for him. And ROY says you didn't you didn't have to do that, or didn't ask you to do that. You Oliver says you never have to ask me ever. Like I really liked to that. And I liked Stephen mel's delivery and performance on that line because I thought really sold it for me, like he knows everything that he owes ROY, even if ROY has not been on the team for a long time, broil went to prison and faked his death for all of really like that history is all encapsulated in that one exchange. And I thought that was a really really nicely done. I kind of even like the way as like he's on the team. And. In the old school. They would have been like just going to shoot an arrow and your leg. A new school Elliot's like a little bit more politics. No, he's always on the team, but that's it. It's end of discussion. But I really love that ended hearken back to me for to some of the more tender moment them, one or two kind of thing. Yeah. We're all he was basically just at dick all the time. But when it you know. Every now and then he would say something kind to either the or Tommy, or even even what's his name. At times. True. Yeah. Like like oh, yeah. After he shoots lawyer in the leg, and he goes to be moves it in his at the mansion and goes and takes the arrow out and fixes them up, and he says, look stay away from him. It's bad news. He's always had been. He's always tried to take care of him in kind of way and I this fit into that relationship in a great way that I felt satisfied with. Yeah, I if anything, my only disppointment with ROY has been, this is the only time we get to interacting in the present. If. Yeah. I think I think he'll, I think given that we're, I think the next episode basically picks up where this leaves off, it seems like called the Hanes at least six around for that, but we'll have to see what happens after that. One more thing that I liked about this was that the previous to have been sort of character like big character episodes. We had the Canaries in that we had Diggle underneath the Diggle intern show, this one, I did not know was going to be about Louis. Yeah. And I loved it. It's, it's nice to because you also get the feeling. I don't know what the situation is. There's a lot of questions hovering around next season, and how that's gonna work with a shorter episode count. And with Felicity leaving among other things, I think it's nice to bring back some characters so you can kind of put a bow on their stories, which I think is what's happening between this and the fast forwards for ROY, so that's that is a nice move to because it's not it's not quite a character study ROY but he does get a lot of moments here. I mean overall, I think it is really nice team episode as well, just because we get to go through all of their different stories and stuff like that. So a lot of good moments for the team. But yeah, it's, it's nice to sort of sort of tie up where ROY is going from here. I think. Yeah, and just to the fighting again voi-, engages two of these two guys wrapping himself around one guy's neck and grab any other guy forming like a some kind of like like the number pie. Shape. That was awesome. I loved it also. That's typically the kind of move. Like a woman fighter do. And it just loves it. It's called Stonehenge. Yeah. Exactly. Thank you. Once I got letter the number pi in my head, I couldn't get stone. And then the other thing dimension, which just sort of minded looking at this as that emiko's plan is not as with so many villains plants, not just to kill all over, but to basically ruined his reputation, and as she puts it tournament to a villain like their father, which I thought was also an interesting point, given the so much of what we've seen about Robert, especially after his death as not been super complementary. Yeah. So yeah, there's a real threat there. And again, as we've seen in the future. Vigilantes things are not great. But she doesn't spend all her time vetting about it either. No. She's, she's here too. She's here to not make friends and blow up bombs. Well, it's like pretend to make friends in and yeah, yes, she's just got him. She drops like an emotional bomb on him and then just blows them up. Actual. All right. Any last thoughts before we ritual the sucker? Sounds like a no, John, once they you. Well, okay. So I had been prepared coming into this discussion to give it a John junior because I was I was a little bit annoyed about the beginning. I and I still had that feeling even if they managed to turn it around at the end. And I also feel like some of it was still like, bringing ROY along at the end doesn't make a lot of sense. And that seemed a little black convenes play house to me. But and talking about it with you guys. I think I've decided to go with, with biff because there's enough about it. That's that was really good. It turned out that turn at the end was really good. I do even though I found some of the, the, the repetition kind of annoying as I was going through it, I applaud them for doing something, different and. Yeah. I mean looking back on it, I think it's, it's better than I was giving a credit four. So I'm gonna give. All right. Guy. I agree with John. I was visited to give it a bit. If I was excited I do like it. When I talked to you guys mentioned to change my mind, so glinting classic view. I take all of your points. There was a bunch of stuff like thinking about it that like. Yeah. So it'll be paint by numbers. But the good bits about it. I think really pulled it out for me. Just seeing it was great. Having a park dance over beams. Trick shot through a fan. Upside down, that was great. The fight fighting was aces. The character development was good. Within the. Within this sort of, structure of doing an episode like this. Overall? I thought it was green. It's a bit for me. It's a bit Billingsley. Things Li things let's keep easily. I yeah, I think I had the same sort of feeling as you guys where it's like I was kind of on the fence about this. This is a strange does feel like roads that we've we've traverse before. But what I give them credit for was key. Continually coming up with red herrings that made me question my own theory about what had happened because every time somebody's sauce. Somebody else standing over the body or thought somebody else was involved. I actually was like, was it that person or are they covering for this person? And it just kept me guessing, just enough that even though I wasn't like shocked about the ultimate. Reveal of would kill these people. I wasn't one hundred percent certain going in like, you know, definitely a lot this, what happened I liked the feeling of, of figuring out what happened like right about the time. All he did was kind of a nice reveal like it wasn't something that was telegraphed to early. It was different. It was interesting. There's a lot of good performances said, there's enough here that is good and solid, even when it felt like it was might devolve into sort of dull territory that I it came out as a win for me. So I'm going to greet. It's biff it's not the strongest. So we've had this season, but it's neither is the weakest. So I would I would give it a thumbs up. And it sort of catapults pretty well, it seems like into the last two of the season because I think we're going to kind of not really stopped from here is my guests do want to call it one piece of writing in particular that I just thought of while you were talking. When all he goes to confront ROY about what happened. I thought that was really well done. Yes. Yeah. They have a good scene. It's clinton. Hang did it happen. When did it happen, Wendy yet? So there's no, like I know what Liz, none of that. It's a it's that's a self-assured piece of writing. And that's it's that's exactly it self assured the characters no each other. You're confident that the actress complete off, and they do. I thought that was very clever very well done piece, rebounding, really served the big video. Well, so kudos to Hanes, too, I think I I do miss every time he shows up again. I'm he's really just solid. He's a really good actor on this show, and I miss having him around. But I'm glad that they could bring him back in for some more episodes, same. All right. Well, we have done are due diligence in wrapping up confessions. We have to episodes left in this season. So there's still some. Some final stuff to, to wrap up, but shall we do some superhero sleep? Anything happened this week? Thing. Anybody see any movies this week? Do you wanna talk about that? Or do you wanna talk about? I noticed that guy. Or someone put in our super Swede topics also the Gotham finale was also seen it. You. Okay. So we won't talk about that. What? To sign off. I mean this made the real like hit the spoiler sweep double heart because. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So this will be early. You may not have seen the movie we're going to talk about. It is she's am she's Zan. The movie. Everybody's talking about I. All right. We are going to talk about endgame of interest and game, which came out this past weekend. If you do not want to hear anything about avengers, endgame, you can probably safely, stop the show. Now, we won't say anything interesting what I'll do. I'll even put a chapter marker in at the end of the episode, where we just wrap rep up and sign off. I don't think. If anybody wants to you really finish line stupid stupid last two minutes of the show, you can do that aftermarket for you. But other than that, you have been warmed and we will now take our fire off our spoiler horn, and take our our moment of superhero sweep. Silence and then launch into and game discussion. So that moves with you. All right. They're gone. Can you believe what happened to game of thrones? I can barely see what happened in game. We turn the lights down. It seemed fine anyway. Okay. Okay. Switch spoiled. Superhero show kind of little bit. We'll sort of. This is a big a couple like full on incomparable episodes talking about it, but we should at least spent some time talking about it. This is. Man like if feels like a lot to talk about because it's the three hour movie because all want happens, and even as I've been thinking about it over the last several days, I still am thinking, like I'm gonna need to see this again, at some point, but I actually feel like it's the first marvel movie in a long time where I'm like, but not for a little while like at the like I need to sit with it before I dive right back in because it's like I feel like that. Twice. Oh man. I, I think these last hour is there's so much going on. So motionlessly ringing parts that I've just like I need a little break before. I see you again. So I was thinking of going tonight. And then I realized. Other superhero commitments but I think I'm gonna go tomorrow night, pretty late. Because Dan, you and I are recording on Thursday, leave. Yeah, that's comparable coop. So I wanted to see it twice because I saw Thursday when it came out. I, I don't know. I really enjoyed it. Yeah. But if I'm going to talk about it. I kinda wanna be watching it with a little bit more more of an eye actually, what's happening rather than just getting swept away. But. Yeah. It's interesting because there is there. Yeah, I don't even know. I kinda know where there's just so much in there. I have some nitpicks about some decisions that were made. I've been reading a lot of articles about it in the last couple of days, and I think that there are some really good points about the failures of the marvel movies to date and how some of them are exemplified in game, but that said it did not take away from my ultimate enjoyment of the movie, and, and feeling like it was a fitting capper to these like twenty odd movies. Yeah. And I mean, it certainly certainly for capping Tony. I. Characters. They're, they're in seemed to really fit their whole arc. Yes. Yeah. Despite the somewhat. The plot and mechanics of that plot being kind of nonsensical at times, even like time travel is a difficult concede to work with. And I think that the they hit all the emotional beats even if the logical way that the time travel works is I did not have with really very much of the logic. How does how does back? Well, okay, there's ways to me, there's a lot of ways that you can explain it, and that's really enough for me. Okay. I don't think they need to go into every detail and. Thought that you tell. I think if you make rules you should be consistent with those rules. And there are definitely parts that don't seem to follow the path that they've laid out. I think that's the whole idea of the Infinity since those rules, you just do what you want. They don't even use the news for most of it. The time travel time travel thing has has some issues because. Set up a pop culture, like, oh, it's like these time travel movies, and they're like, no, it's definitely not like those time travel movies because we. Trouble. But then it kind of like, yeah, I don't know. It's a little bit range. Okay. So if you didn't listen to us before for real, now, go away. Seriously? So when does the snap to Illich God knows what he did to the entire existence? Right. That's fair. It'd be like I want to go and have life with Peggy. I'd everything's fine. That's what I wish and that's what's going to happen. And that. And I'm okay with that. But the idea that like, when he snaps people in planes that crash where they materialize realize at home with their loved ones. It's fine. Like, you know that I'm okay with I think the thing the thing with cap and Peggy's a little strange just because he gives specifically goes back in time to return supposedly return all the stones, and then he stayed doesn't go back in time, he goes to parallel universes region. The stones, okay so and, and I guess back in time with a parallel universe then. Well, I think that's, that's what I assume because otherwise he can't he can't come things that because otherwise things that have that he can't change the past. They already said that they can't change the past. She's already, she's already lived a life with somebody else and died. Yeah. Although it's a little vague because the cannon so far they never really talk about. I don't think they ever concretely say who she not one hundred percent but she ends up with Susa the end of. I thought they said like when she was on the deathbed like I married, a good man or something. Okay. So I I really watched. We watch both all three captain America movies this weekend, because we watched endgame, we can't really want it to them. So we watch them all. It's, it's vague. There's never there's a part where pictures of her with her kids, but there is no husband in the picture. I think if the engine Tanic there. She says that that in civil. Winter soldier that he saved her husband's a unit. Yes, he says, she c-. He stopped a hydra blockade which turned out to include the man that that would go on to your husband. But that's also kind of ambiguous, that's less then. And then came back into the picture. Well, no, I mean well, he saved himself like and if he goes. Okay. Yeah. Okay. But I think the whole point is that if they go back in time, they, they create a new timeline. Regardless of anything else. Yeah. I think that was that was pretty consistent throughout the rest of the movies. So I figure he went to back anyone. He started another time line. And he lived he lived a life with peg, and then he talked to hang him or he did something. And he came back to that. Yeah. Specifically say that right there like when you go back in time. Your past is still your pass. So it's still there and then it becomes your future. So it gets like grafted on right? Yeah, I the trick is the trick is him coming back at the very end because that doesn't it's not really explained in its. But I don't I don't care that it's kind of intimated that he just got old in this timeline. So it could just be a difficult in it using it could not be the same cap. This is true. Oh, anyway, I'm not gonna say that, that really like took away, you know, too much of my enjoyment in the film, debating that there was way too much other stuff that I really liked. And so. I did okay spider fish won an Oscar for this hippie. So, so let's just go with it stuff that I absolutely loved. I mean, the moment where everybody comes back is pretty fantastic. Especially when we watched winter soldier right after the Sam on your left thing is like that was great. The chokes me up the thing that the thing that I did not see coming that really made me like yell in the theater was capping meal near like that was I was like, oh my God. I did not think they were going to do this ever. That moment in. As of ultra he goes, he goes pick it up and it moves just. Fine. You could've left it that you could have like well, okay. I think that was it was written for a joke. Yeah. Then but. In so much of this movie, they went back and picked up. Yes. Like little things. Yeah. Yeah. They like, you know, taking all of these the Bank, and guess what two billion dollars? But, like, yeah, yeah, just story wise, took them to the Bank, and it worked great seeing when we see a miniature. Move a little bit. Mio. I thought it was going to come in Concha panels on the head, it self, exactly. Nope. Awesome. That was such a it was a well earned moment. And also Thor Thors. I knew it. And he's right. Like in the John, he looks kind of worried. Right. Like that's my favorite thing is these characters who love each other and are just psyched about all being together. Again. I that's great. I think one of the best things that the marvel universe has done is leaned into Chris Hemsworth, comic shops, which are. He is like there's glimpse of glimpses of it in the first tooth or movies. And then when he's in the. Comfy down more and then in, in ragnarok, obviously, it's like just like what's do this. And they really lean into it again, here, they made some choices that I think we're less good than others about him. But overall, Chris Hemsworth, just his performance is great. Yeah, so, yeah. Full his little seem with his mother. I love it's great. Nice to get closer on that. So many things time travel. Let's do like it's very much back to the future to where like even the point where like, Tony skulking around the edges of the, you know, of his of tower in the first avengers movie like hiding from the rest of them in very back to the future for two. And he says, at the America's asked joke, which is good. Yes. Yes. Tastic. I loved cap famously does not swear. And then he comes around the corner themselves as that you gotta be getting. No. He has that one in ultra onto right at the very beginning of Altron could they make? No, no, no, no. Tony Tony says, and he says he says language. Net net says making fun of that whole fight Cappon cap was awesome. And then he knows just how to play him. Well, well, I thought it was mistake, but anyway, he knows how to play them Fisher. Oh, yeah. He's, he's alive. Yeah. Right. Which is amazing is. Oh, I. Integrating that in filth. And he's like, okay, we'll use this. I love that when he gets knocked down and getting open the other guys goes, I could do this all day. He's I know. I love the cap cap is in Noida by his own goody. Could he just like anybody? He's such a such a boy scout. Because he's involved in he's grown in that over intervening time. Right. He's, he's, he's at I and to go with both of those the scene in the elevator, of course, which was such a fantastic setup and then undercutting where he gets the elevator literally like the scene from winter soldier, and you're like, all right. He's going to have to do the whole elevator. And then he just just a hail hydra thing. Hey, walks to the like people, everybody got bent out of shape about cats being hydra in the comics. And somebody yes, I don't think most people are going to get that. No comment loved it. It's just so smart, right. Like, oh, wait easier. Could win that fight not a problem your father. It was nice. They got they got most of the same like, actually. You got sit. Well, like you've got all the yeah the big bulk guy with the beard. Would've left. I mean, this is impossible, but getting channeling would be a hurt right? Getting Redford back, like, you know, for that scene in the lobby was pretty great bananas that you can get these people to just show up like a little bit. I'm assume an I assume that the Natalie Portman stuff was full that they already felt like footage for me. I agree. But she's credited that was sort of the prized this your credit with everybody else. Contracts. Right. The other had to or they did it have any lines though. So I wondered why also agree. I thought it was probably reused footage, although I mean. Yeah. Case full of money. Plus courtesy plus agent bliss. I wanted I wanted to see rocket try to. Bizarre scene. Who I thought was like? Sort of wouldn't say a hero, but, like as far as an actor goes, like a subtle hero in this is LOKI is Tom Hilton because he comes in and he's, he's dead. But he does a bunch of extra scenes, and it, sorta seems like he's not in the movie because it's all he's all in full in the past but but at the same time he's also setting himself up for TV. With the right. And I wondered if that was the jumping off point for the miniseries. They're doing I think it's gonna be lucky running around with the space stone for a while. Yeah. Yeah. So the cool thing about having those stones, not go the way that they went in our reality, is that it doesn't matter because the Intel that phantoms gets is from, like the updated reality of that. Do you know what I mean? From the like Donald knows it. Loki absconded with the with the stone. So he knows to get it there. Yeah. Yeah. Like the way the way he manages to collect all the stones still kind of legit. Right. Because the gut is, updated along with them having moved. Well except you can't you can't change their time. Okay. So all different timelines any. Okay. Anyway, I've attract my. Timelines man. That one particular time, you know, but I guess maybe the time stone. I don't know if they're infinite if there. Well, I mean they have to go back and how does cap do all that by himself. But so it's okay. He's got he's got a hammer. It's fine. I'm not convinced that plan makes any sense because I don't think the ancient one is that convinced of it either. Yeah. That scene is a little strange because she goes like that scene. You go through a very dated explanation of why you have to be careful about this. And then it never really gets back to that will banish like I'll be right back to me. If you try to go back to being it back, you'll just create a new timeline. Well, don't think she minds I when I heard what she said. I don't think that's the problem. I think she's really. I think she's subtly referencing. The fact that door mama was coming and the time stone in order to stop Dohrmann, oh, and the, you know, like you can't just take this because I need this later because this thing is going to happen. And without without saying that specifically in. That's all they create another. You know, a slightly different time line. That's fine as long as they have the time. Stone people be she could have looked at all the possible futures, like strange it and decide that we're barely didn't so there's one of two things either her time line is condemned to be destroyed. Domo. The dog or. Went snaps his fingers, he decimates all life in his time line. And all of the time. Oh, dear. That's a real. That's a real metaphysical. No, no, no. Because that doesn't that doesn't work because there are different. They're different. Finnity stones in different timelines and because. Well, I mean, okay they've address this in the comics, at least okay? And if I mean, actually, I think, in the comics. Well, these from parallel universes. If you get Infinity stones from different universes. They don't work right in your universe. Okay. So more intense. That makes that makes sense. I've run all of the quantum theory in my head. Sure, it's like when you go to a different country, and you need after for your power. Yeah, there's a. Yeah. It's fine. It's fine. It's not a thing that bears thinking about because so much the comes from, like what's happening right in front of you. Ain't given moment. Am kind of I'm kind of torn about the time travel back to previous movies thing. I like I, I think it's one way it's a nice sort of tip of the hat to the stuff that they've done to date. And then the other aspect is that seems like a clip show. I of interleaving it and also making it a point where like sure it seems a little bit like a clip show, but you get to see like the new stuff. Yeah, the new stuff the new angles, the style, you didn't entirely see into Tony's Tony's time with Howard is Tony time with Howard is great, although it would have been really funny for capterra run into him to enjoy their, their relationship. Yeah. But he would have known who absolutely one hundred percent but it would have been great. And I was gonna say the thing that, like I it's funny, too, 'cause like I spend so much time trying to untangle certain parts of the plot. That, like I get like wrapped up my own head. So I was thinking I got a little boy, because felt like oh, Carol's first appearance, bringing Tony ship-back doesn't like how does it fit with the whole thing, where she shows up in the pagers gone off from the captain marvel and then cat had to point out to me like, no, she shows up then they sent her to go gets, but as a change of format for those for those bumpers? Right. Because usually the bumper in the next movie in this instance, it's actually. No, this is what happens in between the movie you just saw in the movie that you're going to me wondered if it was in and game. And they cut it just be. I mean they. I mean they. Over time. And that you see that you'd have to marvel anyways, so why. But yeah, 'cause it's, it's I kind of missed having that moment of like people being like who the hell are right? Like, yeah, but that would have, you know, that's like two three minutes of screen time minimum. Yeah. Like who are you? What are you doing? How do you know fury? What's going on? Oh santa's. Okay. Who's tony? Why do I care about Tony? Okay. Where do they go? It's a busy. It's exposition. It's all busy work. Whatever let it go. Save Nonni which by the way, Tony and. No. Hanging out with lovely. I liked that so much the way that they get along great playing playing finger football playing football and she's just so which is good. Although it does beg the question of, like I feel like that's those are great scenes, but it soon as he gets back with the rest of the avengers like any bomb that they had totally va- parades. I wish I think they were best. Yeah. Yeah. Like on bonds did evaporate because it was the end of the universe like that was bad. Yeah. Five years passes. I mean he goes off he goes off to the cabinet. Yeah. I mean, that's I thought that was fair. I thought it was fine. I just like to, and I didn't get the sense that they were good friends, they would just both good at tinkering stuff and hanging were hanging out and they. Very nice spec. Where where she like puts? Yeah. Exactly like. Yeah. Right. Gives him the oxygen to public. She doesn't need it. That much something but right? Although somebody pointing out like, you know, she has like this one of the, the one of the place, other places that critiques this movie come into play. And I got a good article from this, I think it was from over on nine about the role of women in this movie in the role of women in the in the entire M C, you at times being relegated to very much relegate the second fiddle and caretaker for the male characters, and nobody notices that when nebula comes back like, the, the fake nebula comes back, like nobody knows is even though she has a totally different arm. Covered it up. Yeah. No, I know. I know. I mean it's, it's yeah. I mean, nobody knows she's the wrong person, right? Yeah. And it's like, well, she's an outsider and nobody knows her that well, but that would have been an interesting moment for Tony tweak, to, for example, because he spent a lot of time with her. Super chatty. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Twenty could've notice. That's true. But caring gillen's performance in this movie's really. She's a veal up stir in this movie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like she carried me like. For being sort of tertiary character in, in a secondary film franchise, she carries a lot of the weight in this one, she's so funny during that football game. And then, and then later when she delivers the line that says that he won't let me. She said trapped in her life. Yeah. It's sort of breaks your heart at the same time. Be think. Yes. Shooter. That's hard acting under all of that prosthetics. Yeah. All of that, whatever the hell is going on with her. She's got act is two different people neither of whom have very likable, but in different ways like how, how did you character progress? Probably don't kill on sight is pretty much as far as she's gone, which is. But she doesn't really joined it. What was your guys feeling on on hulk in this movie? I like Brady Hoke. I missed I missed smash him book, but seeing flow. Like I wanted help to really just go to town on something. And we really miss we miss his transition. I mean he's just there already, and it's kind of weird because it seems like there was so much left from the previous movie emotionally about between him and the whole that. It's all it's just like, yeah, that's all just like. Yeah. That happens. And I think there was, I think I've read an interview where the about that. And, and I mean and you know again they can't do everything in a. Movie that's already three hours nine minutes long so little there where like you know, they're sitting at the diner with these gigantic plates of food. I love. I mean so I-. John you and probably you probably both know the comics expanded the me like there's like it's kinda like a Grayhawk thing. Right. Like isn't Grayhawk cuts? No, because. Teenage you'll. He's all go driven. He's smart. He's smart. But he's more Mr. Heidi's and. This is like an integrated as not banner at all. But there have been instances in the comic book definitely where they've had banner be. The brains in the brunt of the same thing. I did not just the brains. It's like an integrated whole of a character like right? He's got like banners, meek Meakin demure at times when the integrated sort of hook characters off more confident. He's more confident. Yeah. True. I guess some elements but not all I love the favorites with him is still the scene, where when they go back in time, and he's like they're like smash stuff on the way taxi. Yeah. Was really great. Also like the stairs. Yes. His dad vists like he's still wearing clothes. Some of the. Got uniforms, that they put smart, Hawkin bernie'll lookin jumpsuit that? He's okay with the purple yet. Yeah. Yeah. I liked it. He's like still smart. But. Still kind of screwed up the. Time travel device. Just a good gag. Yeah. I mean, that was I don't feel like I feel like that doesn't make a lot of sense. I mean, I guess Tony explanation is like the best you could probably do with time. Time time went through him. Sure that works. But okay, that's fine. And banners reaction to time travel. That's what. Right. Hey. Previous batter wouldn't have done that. But hulk banner's like just going through compare that compare that age of time raise like Tony Tony. No, no, no. This one's like look at work. I consider this a win. Yeah. We get some characters. Get more screen time here than in the previous. Movie, including a couple of people get screen time that didn't didn't even appear in the first INFINITI war movie likes got laying and Clint. I was a little surprised at how much Scott got in this one. I wonder and that was the thing. I wonder going in was how much Scott being stuck in the quantum realm at the end of man. And the wasp was gonna come into play here. I had a strong suspicion that that was going to hit it all. And it did turn out to be, although I thought it was. Yeah. I, I, I bet wrong in that. I thought it was not going to be. But clearly, it did not did not definitively answer my question which was I, I assume not. But part of me had wondered if being stuck in the quantum realm if he had been supposed to be snapped and wasn't because he was like essentially someplace. Yeah. On findable and that going to be the key. I yeah. Some kind of thing. Right. Like brian. Shield against animals rather than being the keys traveling back. But when I saw the movie they. His mom basically time travel, like she was in there for how long her time not long hopes mom, sorry hopes. Mother-in-law whatever. Cat woman was in there for how long time for like every, I think, yeah, I thought it was less. I don't know. I thought it was mostly the same. But maybe but it's I think the whole, you know, like it's the it's the perfect macguffin thing because if it's unpredictable, it could do anything unless you invented do key. Tony. And then and then you can put some predictability around. Right. Right. Yeah. So tony. Kony been saving up all those being power juices, for just just a good moment. I guess, you know, just got they're going to have to rely on cheery from now on also that. Yeah. Kind of an interesting question, which is the where the MC you goes after this. I I'm for one m really glad that. So they've described that, like the next Spiderman movies, kind of a coda in the same way that like Iran was for the phase one or two. I can't remember so you have the big clemency event. And then you still have kind of like the locations, although I loved, I thought this is as many other people did, like how many are there like now a bunch of kids, who were like five years older than their counting their classmates. No, that's the whole thing about my it's like the definitive stones a wish. Everything's back to whatever it should it be. But it is in the future, like I think they like it is technically in twenty twenty three now, so or whatever twenty might take. Did all of those people know that the other people had been missing all that time? Yeah. Yeah, we'll twenty definitely did Tony when you hugs hugs Peter. He's, he's. That's real. Yeah. Tony Tony had been on this side of the, the events that caused it to happen. It wasn't clear to me that people that fight of events, the people that got EBay or the rest of the world. Well, the, the well no Peterson Peter, he didn't know that. I mean, he didn't know himself because he just like he went to sleep woke up right? And but on your stream said five years has passed when he's when he sees Ned to it seems like they know they've been on. It's confusing. Oh. I'm assuming that the there's so many problems with that part of it like logical problems that doesn't bear the real. I will say this the real issue, I think that they come down to is that they wanted to give really only one reason that they don't just go back and try to undo things like in a different way, which is Tony, how Gordon and they don't they don't want to subject that which is at the one hand, very Tony stark and at the other hand like there, there are billions of lifeforms at risk here. We're trading them for, you know, one person. Yeah, but he's the guy that makes a fun guy. Guy who knows Catholic, gut, it probably would have kept his promise. But yeah. Yeah. But I mean, I think that, that they also more minutes. The other thing is given the rules of the Univer, given the rules of time travel, as they set them up if they did that weren't they just creating another parallel universe go live in that parallel universe. But then, but then there would still be one where everybody would be well, yeah, you can't fix all the universes. I know I want to make an omelet you gotta break some universes. Not even not even with the finished stones. But I was gonna say, I think they also from a meta perspective from writing perspective. They wanted Tony to have that growth, too, right? Wanted to set out in a way that me felt like because that was the lead in the very first thing Infinity war is running pepper talking about having a kid, and they even mentioned the naming her Morgan and all of that. So, like I think they wanted to leave that as a legacy for Tony. I think they spend, I sort of appreciate it. And I, I found it weird when I was watching it first time. When the proto would have at the event just pull up to Tony's lake house. We spend a lot of time with Tony in his kids, just one on one, which I think is great because it gives Tony a lot of. You get to see his growth. You get to see him hanging out with his kid, and he's really good dad. Here's a great dead. Yeah. I mean I mean all of his all his like that. Yeah. That's it servic cracks. It makes two people have. Being worn down, and she lives. Reaction to right. Like like he's still has the basic famous. But it's all being like e-voting bye. Bye love. And it's just so much action that it's not a he's not a YouTube that who's like taking her toys away, and then film air. No, no, no anyway, turning into your other podcast. But, but it struck me as a little bit weird. Pepe wasn't around that much. Yeah. Some not unwelcome because frankly Paltrow cut it turns out these days, but. A little weird. It felt like I wasn't sure that she was alive for a little bit offscreen that long that I'm like, maybe wonder if they were very limited knee in the time they had for her. But maybe because he does say he tells Morgan that have built this helmet or built suit basically view, mum. But he doesn't even say like it's not clear to me at that moment that is in fact pepper. Yeah, it is a little. Yeah. I think I didn't. But I didn't consider that. I know I I'm with guy shoes in the movie. Yeah. Yeah. Issues in the movie, but it would have been hilarious. If he was with the blonde lady from the first one. Really? On your experience. That would also be pretty Tony. Is he just looks up with what's the actress, sorry, it's a famous Leslie's bit exactly? Yeah. That would have been a cameo now, now going, we sort of branched off into our own parallel universe there. But I was just talking about the, the future of the after this, which is kind of an interesting state, so we have at least one, we have at least one case where a mantle has definitively been handed down, which is saying, I'm becoming captain America. But it seems like he's going to the streaming jazz series. Right. I would not say that he would he may not have. I'm sure he will appear, if there is a future movie, but I'm not certainly wouldn't rule it out. And I don't think it'll be a captain America movie necessarily, I think they're not for few years, they need to let you know leads to change. For bit. Yes. Go him up as a on the TV Sam needs to get a chance to, to grow to get that role to dissociate that from the Chris Evans cap. That's the biggest challenge that, that Marvel's can have now is even with so many of these characters who were not necessarily like household name characters. There is so much tied up in their identities. Now that like I've sure marvel I'm sure there's a part of marvel that worries like this was this was like our big one not we're not going to do fine. But like we're never gonna hit that same, right? Like about a money on this. And the fact that they're going to they're going to do the attorneys, which nobody knows why we're great when the in humans, they tried another. Nobody knows. Well, yeah. I mean, they were originally going to do that as a movie, and then they did the terrible TV series, you know, run by the guy who I think I hope they have learned to never trust again, because he also did iron fist. But, but the challenge is, how do you build up a new roster of characters? Again, iron, Dan himself was not a big character when they launched this like interactive, but he's bigger than the journals. Sure. Absolutely. You could wear the ironman, shale had t shirt and people would basically get it. But there's a question of what characters are left that are I mean, aside for setting aside, all the stuff they just acquired from FOX, which has definitely more. I mean fantastic four next men definitely have way more name brand recognition. But yeah, they're gonna start after I think they're not take a breather for like phase. And then stepping in the they'll get there. But I think it will be a little while. And there's just whether going to they're doing I mean, they still have the spider man of doctor strange. They have captain marvel presumably kept more. They can do another captain, marvel movie announced when yet. Right. But I don't think so. But I think it's, it's heavily. We will enough did well enough financial. That I would think that the black widow, I believe is also that's actually doing which leads me to other like visit a Sikh. Is it a prequel? Or is it is she coming back, somehow I think it's got to be a prequel and I'm very upset with the way that they dealt with that character I have mixed. Yeah, I think so, too, and I wonder. Like, I think it'd be a great opportunity to say that was this girl, I've maybe just sort of just let's look at the visual of injuries. Hawkeye is everybody's lease save adventure. Right. But he ultimately goes to this. Arc gets all angry. Stoats motoring people. And we have about a little ten fifteen minutes with zero in here. Sort of redeemed. Yeah. Yeah. Actually man, we should have just done a whole episode sometime. That's member. Feedstuff Hawkeye, five hell. Now, you have this movie. Exactly. Yeah. Well he was good. But anyway. Nyland called Japan. Okay. We could just on this for too long. Sorry. No that just save a good joke for when we actually do it. Dies to service history. Yeah, yeah, I'm not totally sure what hurric- is except from coming from. Well, we're supposed to believe like murderous spy lady, but immediately women see her. She's mothering banner as the hulk. Yeah. She's she's nurturing banner a lot. She is supportive of Clint when he gets taken over by lucky. She gets the worst service of banner gets good arc like he integrates his angry side with his nerdy side. Yes. Cap and have well established Rx that it for the vigilant ventures. Yeah. All of them for. She also gets thorough art. Yes, it's not his accent over. Yeah. Let me put this way. I think I one hundred percent agree with you. I don't think they did a very good job with her and part of it, I think, is they never really fleshed out her character background. They try honestly as the article I was reading about this suggested like in some ways age of drawn though it is the way it treats are is not great. It has the most about her in it of movies, which is saying something. So to me, part of the big failing for it is that we never got a really good conception of, who she was, we get little things, dribbed, and drabbed out there and in watching rewatching winter soldier, especially like she goes from somebody who cap like really is does not trust to, like, basically, they have like an almost like sibling like relationship and, and this. It's the best. Is not having, and this is what I think I'm guessing the prequel address is kind of the double agent life that she lived because we get that alluded to, like Redford says one point must get tricky being double agent, that never really goes away or whatever. But we don't really know anything about it. How did you go from the KGB to working for she'll like it doesn't make much sense? And so, I think do we know who's doing that movie yet I don't I saw away? I would think that like if the Rousseau's would go back to doing that, that winter soldier style. I mean, winter soldier style movie about her could be good. But I mean it may give it to women fighting. Yeah. Yeah. I just that it's just that I think that vibe works through wealth would were one hundred percents that give it to a woman, I has a director female director, Cate Shortland attached to it. I assume I think I kind of remember hearing that, that she was attached the black widow movie, so I think that's real. Yeah. There is a report on that from last two why. So, yeah. I think that's the villain that what you Tomic blunt. Yeah. I could do lots of remedial that if they really good standalone movie, but I'm not like I'm guessing it would totally fix the, the way that they treat her. But it provides a big opportunity to kind of flesh out, her character, and had that make sense because where you have both. I liked the assessment somewhere. I think it might have been in the interview with writers in the New York Times, which is really good. And you definitely read it. They talk about how the progression goes from Tony being selfish to selfless. Over the course of all these movies and calf moving from selfless to sort of, I think they describe it as an enlightened self interest rate like he's willing to finally step back and say, yeah, I'm going to take something for myself. And I think that. Natasha has the possibility of having that a similar sort of arc from going from somebody who doesn't trust anybody. And who is portraying everybody to being genuine and carrying about another person? And I do think I come down kind of in the middle on the way they treat her care, not in the way they treat her character, but the decision that gets made with ultimate ultimately sacrificing yourself because I don't believe, you know, agree that servicing. Hawkeye story is not the best look, but the same time it should not be purely the domain of men, disaster, vice themselves and have hurric- deaths like they're you know, and, but it was it was both women went over that cliff. I agree. I agree. And I I'm not saying that it's the I'm not trying to defend all of that decision. But I think that was a tough. They were both the strong independent, because I think if I think if Hawkeye had been the one instead I'm not sure that would have been it wouldn't have been problematic. Maybe but I think they should've sent different people. Yeah. I think it would have been boring, Hawkeye gone over just to get his family back. Nobody gets anything out of that. Other than we rendered is. Oh. Oh, yeah. I mean, the whole. Yeah. Okay. That whole thing was I liked it. I liked the tension between. Net and Hawkeye. But I did not like the way it was resolved. I liked it. They fought each other for who's going to go over the cliff. That was awesome. Right. Because they clearly Levin respect each other. They live. That's, that's the whole point of like somebody has to give somebody up but they straight any string that out fairly. Well, yes. Joined that couple of moments where it could have gone. Either way, I enjoyed the choreography on that. If not be Mia binded, right. Yes. Exactly. But they should have at least sent cap to their point at one point. So you could be like red skull, what are you doing? I don't know. Why did they try beating them up? It seems like step. One is beat that he doesn't have. He doesn't have this the stone. I mean, that's he just he just tells them what the rules are. Trick where they like, what if we throw you over that was fine? You just needed eighth. So, like didn't matter if you really love them. There's no, we didn't actually put in check some code for that even weird. Hawkeye like the, the Hawkeye from the comic books, even if that guy had did not have the stone, and it never would have help he would have stuck in our weight him just fun. It's true because why not? Yes. Agree with the vets-go face. Guess we'll get narrow just because I got nothing else to do. Well he should've known who he was anyway. But the thing that's kind of weird about that logic is that nebula was going to kill herself. And I'm sorry, good. More was going to kill herself in order to try and take because, because, you know, Thanos was killing her, and she was going to try and kill herself in order to take that away from him, so that he wouldn't be sacrificing the thing that he loved the most, and yet, these two are competing over, which will try to kill yourselves. So it doesn't given that seems a little weird but. They're different expectations for their emotions. Anyway. I think. Good forty five minutes woman for two nights out. Yeah, we're going to get back into this. That's for sure. But we are now going to conclude this week's episode because, you know, it's been a while we've talked about this lawn. So we have to those left in the season of ERO and they begin next week with our obligatory, Bruce Springsteen title for the penultimate episode living proof, and then we have one file up. So you have saved this city and, you know, we'll probably because we've done this before, and I think it tends to be fun. I think we'll probably do a live cast of the finale when we record. Just because it's a kick, it's nice to have people drop into the chat room, and we can sort of do that live, so two weeks. Look for that. And I think for the final season, we should von some kind of pool to try to figure out what the boost drinking titles, Ponente. Sort of money on this. Well, we'll give away one of teachers. Yeah. Are you going to give them? The shirt, it's just a, it's a plain white t shirt assured off, guys. You don't trust me to get you just don't trust me. I feel like I feel like. In the little icon and Skype, it looks like a gray gray t shirt for people are lying. That's it reading reading along at home. That's what's happening. All right. Well, we shall bring this episode, and then and all I have to think my co hosts, John, thanks for being near tenth avenue freeze out. That's a good one unlikely. But. Guy english. Always a pleasure was a leader. I don't know what's happening anymore. There's been seeing okay. Okay. And dancing in the dark Scott, my name. Thank you, all for reading along with us. I hope you enjoyed this episode. And if you listen to the discussion by endgame hope you enjoy the two and if not. Yeah. Sorry. Whatever. Will be back this week, this fourteen million ways. This could have gone better. You're still, you're still biff to. Thank you all for reading along with us, and we will see you next week.
Bonus - Simone De La Rue on Surrender, + Body Acceptance After Pregnancy at Propel CoLabs Fitness Festival
"It's kind of happened by accident. I'd had enough of dancing. I've been i was in a broadway dressing room and i had an arm i meant of. I don't wanna do this anymore. I oh i don't want to have to audition for someone to give me a job. I wanted to take control back of my life and be my own boss. So i created buddy by simone. You're listening to the almost thirty podcast cast hosted by christa williams and lindsay simsek almost thirty started as a conversation about the transition from our twenties or thirties but then we realized life life is full of transitions so we expanded our mission. We are an intuition led wellness focused lifestyle podcast that promises to deliver authentic conversations shins diverse points of view an insights rooted in optimism growth and intention the almost thirty nation community is a group of purposeful dreamers who are smart smart passionate and always seeking the full potential in every aspect of their lives at almost thirty were making magic together. We dream it and and then we do it. Thanks so much for tuning into the almost thirty podcast here. We go happy friday. Welcome back to our summer series. We are doing with propel as you know we were live at the propel co labs fitness festival in los angeles this summer the fourth year of one of the biggest fitness festivals out there. We love this event because it's a place where we all really learn grow inspire and and celebrate fitness and wellness altogether you know that's our jammed to be in community as we are learning so we just thought this would be such a great fit <hes> and away to inspire our community by having these conversations with incredible guests we were lucky enough to interview leaders in the fitness and all over mind body health health space and are excited to bring you the series powered by propel. This episode with simone de la rue of body by simone who is a former dancer turned hollywood fitness. It's expert and the founder of b._b._s. She is amazing. She is a new mom and she is so down to earth and we are so glad you tuned in for this episode enjoy <music>. We're so grateful for this interview with mon. We are excited to have a conversation with her today. We you're so glad you are here. We are almost thirty podcasts. We started three years ago when <hes> lindsay and i i meant and we were going through transition from our twenty any store thirties when we felt like we should know more answers than we did. We felt a little lost a little confused all of those things so we wanted to create a space where we could have open conversations stations about health wellness spirituality entrepreneurship all of those things so we are excited to be here today with y'all and excited for this interview the what's bring her on the wonderful simone delarue come on up. She is the founder of body by simone and she has been able to really create a business business and a life around doing what she loves and she is such a kind kind soul and we've had her on the podcast to make listen to that one but looking forward to chatting today. How's the workout. It's good. It's who is that me. I know we did the hug shoes like ah. Can you tell us about the creation of body by simone. You know creating this workout. That is different than anything else. That is very you. That is very approachable bowl yet really effective so i didn't really go to gyms throughout my life. I was always at dance. I started dancing at the age of three and that was a professional dancer full eighteen years in london's west end and broadway and i always just had my long lean physique because stance was my odds and was my i passionate was what i did a man. I remember someone asking me what do you do. What workout do you do to look like that and i said well. I don't do work out. I just dance and i was like an moment for me like oh this is this is why my buddy looks like this because i'm dance every day. I'm using my entire body. Might i call up a buddy. My lower body my brain. Li li's are to learn choreography and and i will why not open something that can teach other people to dance and not be intimidated by the word dance so it's kind of happened by accident. I'd had enough of dancing. I'd been i was in the broadway way dressing room and i had an aha moment of i don't wanna do this anymore. I don't want to have to audition for someone to give me a job. I wanted to take control back of my life and be my own boss so i created buddy by simone and <hes> i remember sitting in the dressing room and i was looking through this magazine and it had edge hair by so and so and make up by so and so and i thought soon. I wonder who trained them. That would be a cool name for business wide. I call let body by simone so that's how the name buddy by simone started. It was literally a transition from dance into fitness. When you dance you have to learn in all forms of health and wellness. Yoga pilates strength work so it was combining all of my favorite things into one workout and i'm a little bit a._d._d. A._d._d. and i get really bored so the thought of like standing on a treadmill for twenty minutes was i. Oh my god that is torture so i wanted you know. Let's what's a fun way of doing cardio and it's by dance so that's basically how it was created. I go all my favorite bits and pieces of movement and dance and fitness. Put it all together and created a body by someone in a nutshell. That was a lot and wasn't it. I found dance to be so healing and i don't know i was the dancer in a past life but not here extent and i think just as a kid like we love to just kind of dance around and flop around it feels so good and revisiting that as an an adult has been so so healing so i i'm curious about what you've realized are the healing aspects of dance chance of moving your body and my way of actually being in your body i think as i said before you know women we can be quite judgmental an for me. One of the main things that i still in my staf and all of my studios is a beautiful loving energy and inclusive energy an ego. Free environment says like leave your ego at the door. We have celebrities next to everyday people. We all sweat the same and we're all there for the same purpose. They're just trying to be the best versions of ourselves so it's really important to me aged to create a toxic free environment and a loving environment you know like if you hear the word dance dance cardio like oh god i can't do that. I've got two left fate and i wanted to create create something that you didn't have to feel intimidated by you. Just wanted to come in and have a good time when you dance. It's a it's an odd form. Isn't it so it's like it's sacha freeing failing at such a creative failing. You're not necessarily going one to one to one on a bike. You're letting your whole buddy. Move sets a spiritual creative process as well as of getting a kick ass workout and there's so many brands out there so many fitness you you know experiences that we can all do and we're so lucky that we can do them but you have stood out and what do you think has helped in your brand success. Yeah i think now now when i first started eight years ago there only few people doing dance cardio and now every corner in new york somebody's doing dense ear and the same thing here in l. a. and at the the end of the day exercises exercise. I always say this like one of my favorite courts. A bicep curl is a bicep. Co you know you can you can get a kick ass workout with me. You can go with gun. You can go with luke. You can go with any of the other holly incredible trainers here. You're always gonna get an incredible workout but for me. What i'm selling is the failing. I wanna sell the the feeling the joyous failing and so i think and i hope that the reason that we've continued to be successful still eight years on one is the spirit you know an inclusive energy that you when you come into the room and then it's just the adrenaline and the feeling when you leave is so incredible folks that you wanna come back for more but i hope it's just as i'm nice. I think that's like ellen says it will be kind to one another. You know it's that simple. We've we've been talking about identity a lot over the last day or so with all of our guests and i'm just curious you know identifying as a dancer as a performer warmer and then identifying as a founder business owner. What was the turning point and are you you able to identify as other things as well. Sometimes it's hard because we attach ourselves to those bigger titles yet so i just love to dig in their sway sway. Think what's interesting. When i was a dance of you know that was my life. I lived and breathed and slept. I remember i got my first pair of point shoes. I slept next to them because i was so excited added to get my first pair point. She's i'm but you would say i'm edessa. I'm dan so what do you do. I'm a dancer. You know and it's like ben. I stopped saying that because then i was doing this fitness thing and at that point no one had really heard of body by simone and <hes> oh yeah. Are you doing that. Okay okay so we really just have to believe even yourself by. What's the title they have to not feel like we have to say who we are. What we do. Don't use your cell phone what you do but for me being on stage. It's very egocentric. 'cause nets like look at me everybody. I'm fabulous but when you're a trainer when move into fitness you're actually helping other people oh so the ego goes out the door and it becomes about a service. I'm giving an active service to try and help you will be the best versions of yourselves and i actually found that turning point for me. Was oh my god. This is so much more fulfilling so much more rewarding 'cause i'm helping you guys be the best that you can be the and it's not just about me but he fake eyelashes enduring five six seven eight at the front of the the broadway show yeah so yeah that was definitely a turning point for me but it was just like leave your ego at the door and <hes> help other people if that was a shift for us even with the podcast because it seems golick because it's our show but it's really about the messages that are i guess share with our audience and my ability to just translate that for them so i completely no and that's helped in longevity with your brand and i'm sure you know with ours as well. Another title that you have is mother got the baby in the back. He's that that we got a bunch of ace and then a stroller huh uh-huh what is that ben mike balancing motherhood and transitioning. You know your life. It's <hes> it's been incredible. I'm forty four and when i fell pregnant i was forty forty three and the doctors said to me that i was having a geriatric pregnancy which i didn't know if any of you out of had babies which i thought was hysterical because i'm forty four not one hundred and four for assad but you know i'd been trying for two years to get pregnant and i thought okay. Maybe this is not for me like my studios goes my staff for oh my babies so maybe that was my calling was just to be a mother for all of my stuff but <hes> i found out i was pregnant of overjoyed joy and then i was so nervous the first trimester do want to exercise too much exercise too little bit so so cautious and he's at the back of the room he's three and a half months old and he's the love of my life and i never thought that it was possible to love a human so much but it's actually given me me the more drive and more ambition she be successful because i want to show him especially as a woman right thank goodness on the on the boss right now but i can have him in the green room and i can breastfeed there but the so many situations where they allow you to do that and that's another one of my messages that i want to to help women is that we need to the open up the conversation and we need to know that it's okay that you can be a working. Mum like i don't have help. I didn't have a nanny just he comes everywhere with me and that's just how it is and we have to be. We have to create environments where that's okay but i want him to see that. You have to work hard for what you do and so it's it's really encouraged me to be better and and work harder and yet and take tagging along for the journey but it is a wonderful love but it's crazy because you know my body that's this is my tool like this is what i've always shown his my body by simone and when you get pregnant you get cellulite and you boobs full down in the milk comes out and then the baby becomes out and you get cut in half and then you know it's it's like there's nothing glamorous about that either and i also want to open the conversation about that of loving and accepting accepting your body like i did a post instagram when it was like a couple of weeks officer had given birth and i've let everything out 'cause. I wanted everybody to see because a lot of people put on instagram. That aren't show anything you know for like six months though destroyed from here up and then they'll be at the gym with a six pack and you you've just had a baby and and that stopped fair because you're setting the wrong message to women that all of a sudden this is how you look because you don't no matter how hard you work so. I think it's really important. The message is the exception body in love. It takes nine months to put on the way it'll take nine months to take it off and it's a process. My buddy probably weren't look the same as what it did before pregnancy but that's okay because i have him so efforts beautiful man yeah yeah i love to know what has been <hes> the vital to being present as possible for him in your post postpartum healing you know physically emotionally just assed being in your new new normal <hes> you know. I think you know some women have a really really hard time and it's and we don't talk about it. Necessarily necessarily thankfully people are talking about more postpartum and just other struggles but i'd love to know like what has been really valuable ineffective for you to to be as president as possible yeah. I think you know i go back to as women were so homer no right. He like be like this and throughout the pregnancy. I was the happiest i've ever been my my husband is like we've gotta get you pregnant. Moral high was just cool and loving life since having him yelm sleep-deprived deprived. I had a c. section. I didn't plan that so you can't get out of bed for like a week you can you can barely walk. He can barely lift your child like it is such a struggle and i found my emotions definitely going like this since we have to control that so for me. X. brings me back to exercise. It's like even if it's just ten minutes just finding that time for yourself is so important as far as i okay. This is my time. It's my meditation. It's my mantra. It's my i ten minutes my hour of doing something just for myself. That's my exercise like can go on and on about it. If only we could bottle that failing those endorphins that you get your exercise is we'd be rich because that that that that those endorphins are just incredible so when you going in a more you're having any kind of depression or you do have the blues. He's like you absolutely have the blues. I think i'm a pretty positive person that there was some days where i i don't think i can do this. You know exercise for me was my go-to because the psych okay i'm back in my body like this is may i know this and it made me feel good and you've also trained other celebrity mama's chrissy teigen natalie portman jennifer garner but would you say some of the lessons that you know they're doing as moms has taught you yeah i. I actually asked them. I i asked jen basically every morning. He's not sleeping. Is this normal like what should i be doing. I think communication is the cave of women. You know you have to ask ask ask for help. Don't be afraid to ask for help but it's it's a process. I think life is a precious. None of us really know what we're doing. Do we just kind of make it up and you're like okay. That didn't work so so. I went to that next time but i think yeah just just finding the balance but it's important to do something for yourself. <hes> so that you are a good role model but they are going to be center interview tension and they are going to be universe for quite some time and that's okay. That's beautiful as like your life ships a little bit but i can still have my career as well and i think it's a hot conversation. Now <hes> recovery just finding that time to slow down is just as good for your body body as movement is so how would you recommend people if they are doing you know cardio a handful of times a week or three times a week <hes> <hes> and they feel perhaps. They just need to keep moving. You know almost as a not a distraction but sometimes i feel like i i should just do it. You know the workout feels good after you do it but i do think we forget how valuable russ can be so what would you recommend. Absolutely i always say one day rest and usually it's. It's a sunday but we're making exceptions today. But a day of rest like you need to reset reset the mind reset the hot reset the spirit and reset set the body <hes>. I know you know i've worked on revenge body. We've done three seasons now. Everybody's their goal is weight loss and they think of gotta keep going. You know seven days a week. No you on your journey. You have to have a day off. You have to allow your buddy time to heal and repair in the muscles to repair payer <hes> and just be still. It's so important like eating. I think our thank goodness worth so much more open minded about meditation about yoga <hes> <hes> about positive affirmations <hes> you know and it's not you not selfish. If you take day yourself and as women we put ourselves selves lost. We put everybody else before us at children family ad job and we don't put ourselves first and it's okay to put yourself first and it's okay to say i need needed day of rest and whatever that is view but yes sleep sleep. I can't go on enough about sleep. As a sleep deprived mom <hes> i missed sleep but sleep is when you can heal and repair so if he can take the time to do it get as much sleep as you can on revenge body yet what are some of the key themes names that you notice with a lot of the people that are on the show <hes>. I don't know if any of them in the audience right now but we had some in the class duran was with this <hes>. You know it's fascinating to me. I'm so glad that there is the show because it is a platform for us to share knowledge in in wealth. You know we are very lucky to be able to be here today to to experience this but so many people one don't have the funds one don't have the knowledge age don't have the tools and don't understand so the show is really wonderful because it allows people to to learn the tools. I think what's fascinating is shorts of weight eight lush show but it really is about the emotional journey that everybody is going on. We all in our life have some experience of loss or trauma you. He knew there's a reason why we've got to the place that we have and so a lot of it for me is therapy. It's not really about a a weight loss show. It's really about being a therapist getting to the route of that trauma and finding out what that is finding that love and self acceptance and then really just being happy with who you are. That's that's really the core of what it is and that's why i enjoy doing the show because it really does help transform people from the inside out. I called my best friend in his husband the other day okay and they were crying. I was like what is wrong. They're like we're watching simone on their your biggest fans so i i do want to talk about emotional body and you know how how you treated your own emotional body and just how important that connection connection is with another to heal and how that's related to the physical transformation to yeah it is old connected mind body and spirit. It's the holistic approach but often. We don't know that we don't even think about that but it's like something as simple as smiling at someone and they smile back at you and immediately feel good right so it's like coming into that workouts just even looking at yourself in the mirror and smiling at yourself breath. It gets so hot. I don't know if any of you guys goes do that but looking at yourself in the mirror have a positive thought rather than the negative rather than oh. God look like this look my eyes look you know or i look at my teeth. Oh my bud or you know change that thought process and say something something positive like a little beautiful today the toshiya south high beautifully ready for the day they beep you have a positive thor and you'll be surprised that then that puts you in a good mood and then you're gonna come out the rest of the world and you're gonna present beautiful positive energy to them and it's going to put them in a good mood. Olivet is is a bad is about emotion. Life is about emotion you know as an and the beauty about coming back to the very start of the questions about dance and creativity and expression that's all about you know feeling positive and enlightened and so it's it is exercise. Everything weight loss says oh connected to you and how you see yourself. Yeah you can be whatever size you wanna be who cares what size you are but just own it and embrace set and love yourself and that sounds simple and easy but it's the one of the hardest things to do once he can do that winning what would be a first step for someone that wanted to love themselves more and and change that talk. I guess the mirror what i chimera minutes is dislike act tonight before you go go to bed and he'd taking your makeup buffy wash face actually look at yourself like not down or somewhere else so you phone or scrolling that we've become. I'm this nation that just swipe squalls skull like like you know everything's instant gratification and i didn't know about you guys but it makes me feel shit when i look could instagram sometimes because everyone's portraying this. I'm fabulous. Look in my life and you know then. Not you know that's just that instagram picture that they've put on right so don't don't compare yourself to other people look at yourself in the mirror. Look truly look at yourself and say something positive and and believe it and i think that's your first mantra right. I'm a vision of health and beauty. My mom taught me that when i was like five years old and as my mantra since i was a little girl mma vision of health and beauty eighty so i say it to my son every night before he goes to bed but just trying to change the whole process. Pick a mantra say something positive. You've done compare yourself. My mantra is i am infinite love. That's my the thing that i like it speaking of social media. I just think it's it's so hard to just manage expectations manage your own perspective on the world and in and on yourself so you know you've you've been you've been doing it all really you've been on t._v. You have your studios rose. You have the app also incredible. It's just you're out there. You're out there and so so visible and and i'm sure it could feel vulnerable at times. So what have you learned. And what boundaries have you created around social media. I joke but i think it's like we should have a license to be on social media but i really take it seriously. I understand that i've been blessed to have a platform to speak to women and so i don't take that lightly an i try and be very responsible all about what i post. I think it's really important that you know. I have a responsibility parts real. I too have reeled talk and not just post something glamorous us you know or put filters on it or try and pretend to be something that i'm not and i know i get frustrated. When i see you know influences winces and now everybody's influence a like someone's got a six pack and they're an influence sir and they'd telling you had to do an exercise but they've never trained and they have uh-huh qualifications and it's it's it's frustrating because like one you probably injure the sun because they're going to follow these exercises and to it's like just stay in your lane and be you and and stop i. I didn't know it gets me a little bit frustrated. So i try and use my platform in a really positive resited way <hes> and of course sometimes someone writes something negative but i just delete it or block or on follow and move on you know it's like i don't partake in in the madness as you know that person's just seeing behind a computer writing something and they probably very unhappy in their lives but i think we can use social media in a positive light to promote wellness and health and and and try and stay away from the negatively if you can. It's hard. I know but try in just follow positive people. What would you say to someone who's nervous about doing a dance class either i i. I didn't know i mean if you see me <hes> teach she class or if he know me i just make a fool of myself and i don't care like i try and disarm the situation and just try and be <hes> i dunno funding funding crazy and i think that seem points thing is as long as you're not standing on someone smashing them in the face next year. You can be creative and do whatever you you want go. You know be joyous as you want but don't be afraid to do it like sometimes people come in and they're like the hottest thing is just getting in the room and once you're in the room and you've completed the cost like oh that wasn't too bad and you come back again so my thing i would say every body the first time they come to any of my shears. Oh try <hes> the app for the first time you know. Just try and do five minutes. Just stay in the room. Try and do it and the next day you do it. You're going to be even better. We were talking briefly before we got up here and you mentioned that having your son just put a lot of things into perspective at love to know what those things are yeah. I we know as being very ambitious. He knew sometimes. My mom said to me about a year gorgeous like semi. When is this all going to stop. You know just like you building another studio a new building the app panera adding live classes. Do the app and you doing too many things that one person can't do and i might well. It's never gonna stop. 'cause i always i'm so passionate about health some wellness. I'm passionate about helping people. I'm passionate about spreading the love of dance and love of self but i think since having oscar you know now. I'm like okay. It's finding the balance <hes> but but family comes first you know my work will be there. Ed and i have created a most incredible team. A couple of them are in the audience now katy and katina and jillian and vicky and hedgerow and joachim ahir <hes> that you have to surrender now and allow <hes> is that the app that some epa music yeah l. Let's put that sounds like the apps. Actually we have to do is download it from and it's good buddy by simone and you get a fourteen day free trial. I'm not using this as a place for commercial but i am you should honestly get. It's the it's the greatest thing i think is the best about better nutrition to lavelli leveque cou. You ladies are actually introduce me to you. Ladies is incredible. She does all the meal plans and the recipes and it serves so you've got. That's never been done before an app. We've got the fitness and the <hes> recipes and health and nutrition as well but as the saying if you only wanna do ten minutes so you to stay scared to dance. It's good to be able to do it in your heart and put ten minutes of dance have a little practice and when you feel good and you've mastered that they need to come to class and you'd be like up the the front. I know this one but i've lost my train of thought oh yeah so just creating a wonderful team that can help and support learning to surrender and learning that you know everyone else. Ask has got your back and <hes> i don't have to do it on my own anymore. You know and allowing other people to share the message and spread the word as well. I think that was that's a big thing <hes> as a woman you know you you like. I've gotta do this. Gotta prove myself but you know other people people that help you and that's that's the beauty of it. You gotta surrender enderle. Allow them to help you. I was beautiful. What's your favorite part of your self care routine. I know it may have changed with the babe probably sleep deep but i'm not getting that at the moment but i just can't share enough how important sleep is is inborn time view muscles to heal and repair your brain into be still v._m. Your mind stole the thoughts but probably that yeah meditating when even now i don't do the twenty my mid twenty minutes meditation because they don't have time so it's like five minutes grabber where i can but also just excise excise even if it means going for a walk outside just carvings and time for yourself uniform last question for me just curious you know it's important that we fuel our bodies for these intense workout so honey what has been your tried and true <hes> nutrition as to your every day yeah i mean people. Ask me all the time. What do you eat. Do you wait. What do you eat and we're so we're gonna ask what you eat. The thing is we're all different right and so you can't compare your meal plan to my put meal. Oh ban you know i when when i'm training properly the girls will know we workout for five six hours a day which is madness so we have to eat so much much more than the normal person you know. I eat a lot of protein. I know and i know jails vegan people here that don't wanna eat meat. That's fine right. Don't compare don't wants i this. This is the certain way that have to do it. You have to do what's best for you full. May i need to eight inner three meals a day in two sacks. I need to eat heavy protein to few my muscles to hate help. Rebuild them and leedle drink a lot of fluid and then david. We know we're drinking propel today. Everybody drinking lots of propel water. <hes> you know trying to eliminate the sugar but i'm a woman and i love sugar and i really chocolate biscuits for breakfast. It happens but i think just you. We're all intelligent. It's just about you know eating. Well eating real food eating whole food eating organic when you can my biggest thing is you you pick up something from the supermarket bucket and you don't know what that is on that label and you can't pronounce that word dr needed yeah like be like a caveman cavewoman eat real food wherever if whenever you can fruit and vegetables you know grains proteins chicken fish meat where it was smart intelligent right. Don't stop yourselves is no. There's such thing as a diet when you actually stop yourself. Slow down your metabolism then. You're gonna crave something. If in this like a kid tele kid they can't do something. What are are they gonna. Do they gonna do it. Tell you self oh. I can't eat that ice cream. You're going to binge and then you're gonna eat the whole tub so it's just really mindset but yeah just eat well folow kelly leveque email plans. Get the app because there's great recipes in their fair so great yeah listening to your body and that's great advice. 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Joy, Peace and Compassion for Ourselves and the Planet - Mi Shebeirach
"So let's start with our meditation. Find a comfortable seat. If you're standing bats okay if you're lying down that's okay but whenever position your body's in noticing where it's making contact with what supporting it and then if you feel comfortable gently closing your eyes if not just a gentle downward soft focus so that you're not disturbed by anything in your referral vision and we're GONNA take three nourishing breaths in through our nose and alterra mouth together and we're GONNA breathe in for four. Hold it for four and breathe out for sex now let your breath find its natural rhythm noticed where you find your breath most easily could be tippy. Your nostrils could be the rise and fall of your chest or the rise and fall of your belly but wherever you notice it most easily. You're seeing and feeling your body breathing in and your body breathing out Resting your attention on your breath A little many body scan just to make sure that you're relaxed relaxing from your forehead your eyebrows relaxing down your jaws. A slight smile to the outside corners of your lips dropping. That smile down into your chest noticing how your one precious heart feels today dropping down in tear abson releasing into your seats feeling supported letting relaxation flow down your legs to your feet softening your hands. You may want to place a hand or hands where you find it soothing. It might be your heart or your face or your belly. You're hugging your arms just as a reminder that you're giving yourself compassion right now. You've Cairo felt the special time for yourself really. It's a blessing and then when your hands are weary just relaxing them and releasing them where they lie could be your could be your lap face up face down doesn't matter rusting your awareness. Sign your breath once again now calling so mind an individual that brings you joy an individual when you call this being up into your minds. I. It's very difficult not to smile. What color is this this being have? And if it's a dog or a cat what color for how does it feel as a human being what color skin tone and the classic phrases to be repeated in your mind over and over can be substituted by your own loving kindness phrases if you have them the classic phrases being bay you be safe may be happy? May you be healthy. And may you live with these? These blessings going round and around or so easy so easy to bestow upon this being that brings you joy. Shame you'd be safe. May you be happy. May you be healthy. You Liberties Now talking yourself into that photo noticing for a moment how it feels to be in close proximity to this being. That brings you joy. No social distancing no masks gloves just right there may we be safe may be happy. May We be healthy. May We live with these. Just like all beings wished to be safe and free from suffering soda. We Now knowing that these blessings are shos too good to keep to yourself opening your circle of compassion to include others categories of people continence specific people friends and family doctors and nurses essential workers. It becomes More of an abstract guided visualization. Where you're painting you can paint the whole globe with loving kindness phrases pouring the blessings out of your heart may be safe. May We be healthy. May Be happy. May We live with these All this goodness pouring out of you takes a little bit of energy and bandwidth and so now you get to narrow your focus to yourself here with miss seeing and visualizing yourself and filling yourself backup may be safe. May I be healthy we? I'd be happy with these filling yourself back up so that you can be of service. May I be safe? I'd be happy I'd be healthy. Demand Live with these Now staying in the mid meditation but letting go of the words and taking in this poem a blessing for the senses by John Donahue may your body be blessed. May You realize that your body is faithful and beneficial friend of your soul in. May you be peaceful joyful and recognize that your senses are sacred thresholds. May you realize that holiness is mindful gazing feeling hearing and touching may your senses gather you and bring you home you may your senses always enable you to celebrate the universe and the mystery and possibilities in your presence here may the Aeros of the earth. Bless you now as you gently you're is. I'm going to share my screen so that we can sing a blessing together. But I'd like to have this experience with you just with a thumbs up. LemMe see if you can see them. You should bear on the screen. Okay and here we go. This is for the planet for ourselves Tain like a stall be singing together. Makore Habra Li Mo now may the source of strength who blessed the ones before us. Help us find the courage to make our lives a blessed game. Let us say Man He you know Jane Makore Ha Bra. Do less those in need of healing with food. Shlaim Ma Renewal love bide he the renewal of spirit and led. Us Say And Okay thank you.
"I'm shy. Today provide you with indepth news and expert analysis ten the who story hunt, the bigger picture for you, the news you want to know only on today. You're listening to today. I'm we Premier Li challenge as China's determined to keep its major economic indicators in the proper range he made her remarks at the great hall of the people following the annual session of the national legislature, the premier emits. China's economy is facing new dour pressure against a larger backdrop of slower economic global economic growth is China continue continuous Tex reductions and fee cuts foster new economic drivers expand market access and boost of Tallahassee of the country's vast number of market entities. The world's largest developing economy said the twenty nineteen GDP growth ranch between six and six and a half percent. So now for more in depth analysis of the Chinese premier's press conference were joined institute by our current affairs commentator, Victor gal and Michael powers Zurich insurance group professor of risk and finance at seeing university. And also, you can watch a live webcam broadcast of this discussion on Facebook, just search for China, plus news, you may wanna post the questions you want to ask there, and I will pass the questions to our guests. And also you can download our podcast simply searchable world. News analysis, apple podcast or any other place. You get your podcast for previous episodes and more topics. And now that's began our discussion, I think we can begin with the first question Premier Li answer this morning about China's macro economic development, so Victor, what can we tell about the major approach of the Chinese government to deal with this downward pressure from this morning's press conference. I think as prime minister Likud mentioned in the press conference. The Chinese cover is fully aware of the risks and challenges in the current economic situation in China, and the Donna would pressure is real on the other hand, I think. Premier Li could also demonstrated a high sense of confidence in not only being fully aware of the risks. But also being able to stay on top of the difficult situation. Indeed, it is true that the slowing down of the Chinese economy is generating another pressure. All many other parts of the world, mainly because there is a concern that that demand in China will shrink leading to less demand for products and commodities and raw materials in other parts of the world of therefore, I think primarily cajones remarks, a should serve as a vote of confidence for investors here in China and also equally importantly for investors outs out of China that the Chinese economic growth will be maintained at a higher or brisk rate at about six. Percent to six point five percent in two thousand and nineteen. And this compares very positively with a girl threats of almost all the other major economies in the world is specially on the basis of an ever increasing size of Chinese economy. So I think more or less I'm very confident about the economic growth prospect despite of the gradual slowing down of the growth rate eight itself. So Michael, what's your reading of the press conference? And how is the Chinese government planning to do to put the growth target of between six and six and a half? While I I would I agree with Victor. I think that the the government is indicated that it's a wear the the issue the cooling of the economy, but it's not interested in taking a dramatic actions or desperate actions. But rather actions that are are well tar. To the issues at hand, and that will address well will address the most effectively I think that in particular Premier Li made it clear that the emphasis will be on the fiscal side fiscal policy rather than monetary policy that they the government will be look intending to provide some tax relief for companies in particular through the VA VAT that tax system, and that it also is very focused on maintaining employment and providing new employment for the millions of people that will be entering the workforce. In the coming year. I believe that the estimates are somewhere between ten and fifteen million new employees will be joining the workforce. And I think that Premier Li indicated that although the initial prediction was the China would create about eleven million new jobs. More recently government has come to believe that it would be somewhat in excess of that preps closer to thirteen million on available. And I think that it's through the consumption that will be driven by by full employment or fuller employment and by the ability of companies to invest and expand prizes because of some tax relief. There is really expectation that the economy will cool somewhat. But it certainly will not fall below the range that the government is predicted we'd touch upon several points made by maiko in the later part up the show, but I talked about a bigger picture. We know it's a consensus among Chinese policy makers for in the longer term which fry to a market driven economy, which will make the market play very Akiro as Victor what kind of reforms are still needed to realize that like long term goal. Well, I think one theme very positive about the. Situation here in China is that Noah here is complacent. And I think all of us firmly believe that continue the reform and opening to the outside world is absolutely necessary for the continued growth of China. Now, it's very encouraging that in this overall context of this session of the National People's Congress adopted into law, the foreign investment law, and this is absolutely very necessary at this particular moment because it brought in several major changes in the way, how the foreign investment into China will be regulated I of introduced the negative list mechanism. So that foreign investors will no longer a worry about getting approval, for example, if they will investing areas, not restricted by the legacy of list, Secondly is very encouraging Navarre investments of all kind will get equal treatment as other. Forms of investments, including the stick state on enterprises, for example, private at the private prizes in China, and this will truly level the playground for foreign investors into China. It's very encouraging to see that there is a lot of ackknowledgement of the importance of foreign investment into China over the past forty years and continuously going forward, including investment as privileged. How mentioned from China's Hong Kong Macao and Taiwan promise. This is one of the examples to show that the Chinese system the Chinese government need to continue to work through arduously and relentlessly to make sure that the foreign investments into China will be well received and will continue to provide a pillar for the continued economic growth in China. So Victor mentioned this opening up side of the story. Michael. What's your? What kind of a long-term reform measures taken? I think that with regard to certainly with regard foreign investment, China is has been moving in this area. Year-by-year month-by-month really in a consistent manner over time people that you know, commentators might attempt to connect connect to recent policy change recent policy development to trade tensions. But really if one looks back at the past few years and sees the developments that have been occurring. Even prior to the advent of the Trump administration in the United States, one sees that there is this this continued opening it's very natural progression. And it comes about because China is a developing nation. It happens to be the world's second largest economy, but it's a developing nation, and as a developing nation, and it has to take or it had had to and has still has to take certain steps to protect its domes-. Attic manufacturers and industries, but over time they can relax and this has been done in a very conscientious methodical way over time. So I think that with regard to foreign investment and leveling the playing field. We are. We are just realizing the the the fruits of a long term plan in terms of persisting with reform of the domestic economy and the promotion of private industry development of private industry. I think they're also on some very good signs coming out of this meeting. And that what we will what we see is that it certainly is is high on the government's agenda to to provide tax relief perhaps to stimulate to stimulate investment by providing some on relief through through the lending of money in banks on route. Changing reserve requirements targeted changes targeted interest rate changes and so forth to encourage private businesses, especially small businesses to develop to invest in develop in the next year. So when we talk about this, a general picture of at least short term economic development, one popular question asked by our listeners that what about investment, especially basic infrastructure investment? If now we're talking about the increasing importance of consumption and also a Detroit and certainty surrounding China's export so Victor, how about the importance of investment how to stabilize at least. I think. Of the pasta ten years. Also, the three pillars for the growth of Chinese economy is investment, foreign trade and consumption. So I think investment, especially investment in infrastructure has always been very important pillar of the China's economic growth together with consumption and foreign trade now in terms of foreign trade China's experiencing some ahead wing, especially because of the pressure raised by the United States in the tire tariff war trade war against China. And this trait was still going on, and we hope Chinese government and the US government who will work together to put some of the pressures behind us. So that we can restore some kind of normalcy to sign oh, US trait. Nine terms of consumption. Absolutely. The Chinese consumer market is already becoming the largest consumer market in the world. And. I think the depth and the width and the sophistication of the consumption marketing China need to be further readjusted because I personally believe there will be increasing demand in the Chinese consumption market for more and more safer better and more sophisticated goods and services in terms of investment, especially in terms of the infrastructure investment. I'm firm believer that beauty up the infrastructure. The connective is for example, in all parts of China is really a recipe for more and more sustainable future growth in the country. These very large item investments will probably provide a growth potential for the Chinese economy for the coming fifty to one hundred years this will really make China small in terms of distance foster in terms of the shrinking. Of time in moving goods and services, and ideas and capital of from one place in China to another place in China. And I think this truly accelerates the growth potential in China, and we'll make sure that the economic efficiency in the country is much more enhanced with better connective. So I'm a firm believer and a great supporter of these very large item infrastructure investment projects. So Michael, what's your take on this like to what extent are we readjusting the relations between among the three pillars? I think that we're we're I would like to pick up from from victims comments is as to episode is that the government continues policy of heavy investment and infrastructure in the rural areas of the country and the rural areas of the country still hold a huge population and population offers potential, demand and. Demand for products that will will help to boost on the economy in the years to come. So I think that what what we what we heard from from the meeting is that the government plans to to stimulate demand for for goods and services in in the rural area to continue to invest in infrastructure to stimulate demand of in particular to provide more access to online services. So that purchases can can be made online and the same types of opportunities. That are currently available to us living in Beijing are available to people living in the countryside. I so I think that those those areas are very or that airing particular the rural areas, very important terms of stimulating demand and overall the pillar of consumer demand is extremely important and very prominent at the at the moment, and I think that what we will see is in addition to to the. Things. I already mentioned the government is going to be providing. Will be providing various types of subsidies and trying to prioritize the development of certain injury in industries such as a new technology vehicles, energy efficiency, and so forth. Thanks, and that's actual right here. In the next segment. We'll address some specific issues we mentioned in the first second about China's macro economic development, your Ning to tonight, stay with us. China. Plus dot cri dot CNN is your home for everything you want to know about China. The latest news in China and everything China-related from around the world. Everything can focus all in one place bringing you vital information feel business and travel Chinese culture language, learning and mall, shine, plus dot, CO dot C, N, China, plus dot cri dot C, N your portal in today's middle kingdom. You're listening to today were discussing China's domestic issues and also it's foreign policy. Now, let's talk about this text cod and fee reduction. We mentioned in the first segment so Victor Premier Li talk about this this morning that it will be implemented in coming month. So how effective do you expect those policy their impact on the private sector award small businesses while I do hope the policies bounced by primerica channel this money will be in. Implemented very faithfully. And the results will be very well felt in the business communities on the other hand allow me to emphasize that the burdens on the Chinese companies, especially for the smaller ambience is the privately owned enterprises are very onerous. It's not only the income tax. They are faced with, but also, including all the tariffs and charges, and is that the varies government entities tend to Levy on these enterprises, and I think combined together the tax and the levies and charges of fees. For example, actually, add up to very large button on these enterprises, especially for smaller, medium sized the privately owned enterprises. And I think it is time for the government to take very affirmative measures to make sure that the burden on the 'co-. This will be lessened and the companies will really be immense. Painted for example, at least their overall Burton should be comparible to for example, the US companies after the massive federal corporate income tax reduction because otherwise a we are really putting up so much burden on the Chinese companies or eventually, their efficiency and productivity will be severely handicapped. Not only for production here in China. But also, especially in terms of competition with their counterparties in other developed countries so victory mentioned implementation. Do you foresee any particular difficulty what challenges when it comes through the implementation? I of course, there will be difficulties for example in China because the countries so bake, and we have a structure of the central. At the top provincial government in the middle. And then city and local government on the third tier? Don't forget. Each of these provinces the size of a country in Europe, for example, in many other parts of the world, and sometimes the central government makes the right decision. But there is a kind of attempt at the regional level or the local level tried to succumb spent the central government's decision and tried to really wiggle their some rooms into the experiment implementation of these policies. But eventually the end result is that the culprits actually find themselves very helpless in dealing with these very excessive burdens on the companies, and eventually, for example, some of the companies have to close down all reduced staff. They have for the employment or. Even for example, sometimes state into relocate to some other countries. So I hope the policies and decisions announced by Premier Li Chang. First of all be very much faithfully implemented and the government should not stop here. The government should really size up the situation ongoing basis and really come up with more tax incentives. So that the Chinese companies of all kinds, we'll have a much less Burton im- going forward in doing that business and also in terms of competing with that counterparties in other parts of the world. Right. So my other challenge, I can think of is when we talk about this tax cut. We can imagine. There will be less fewer fiscal revenues for government. Not just the central government Republic, probably different governments from different levels. So how is the Chinese government trying to go with this? A situation or just to step back moment provide a little background minder standing is that actually last year. There was also a an intent to to lower taxes and to to grant relief and the the the tax relief was provided. But at the same time the collection mechanism was performed. And so that tax companies that hadn't been paying what they should have been paying in the past. We're being brought up to date, and we're we're paying the appropriate mounts. The government had made some improvements in the system that the victim was just talking about on the several several level system with cities and provinces and so forth. So the collection mechanisms should be improved. And there should be a now with with the indiv- indicated VAT reductions, which are which are well targeted. They're they're different reductions for manufacturing construction financial services. With with these reductions, I think that what you'll see is that the government does have the ability. To collect the taxes that that are in effect. And if there are lost revenues, they will they have very clearly indicated that the will be becalmed sitted for a couple of different ways one is by reducing spending in other parts of government, and that that's also difficult to implement, of course in any country. But my my my sense is that the government is comfortable that can achieve some some reduction in cost in those expenditures. And in addition, and what I think is very important favorable is indication that there will be transfers a fund from large so ease which which perhaps have received some favorable treatment in the past and have excess capital that will be traff transferred into the government revenue to to make up for lost. Tax dollar touch Renan be the come out of the new system. So victor. What's your take particularly Michael mation this methods to ask some SOS to transfer some money to to make up the loss at what you raise? The just now is actually philosophical question. One line of argument, always says that the governor need to collect more money and the government need to have a larger budget, for example, the need to spend the money for of righty of reasons, and if they collected less than they have less to spend and the people eventually will suffer, but the other hand there is another line of argument, which always says that the government actually does not need to collect so much money. They actually should spend less, and they should be more efficient. They should avoid the white elephant projects all the white elephant events, which cost so much money. Which are so ravage lavish, for example. And they should really practice frugality, and they should really avoid spending too much of tax payers money all these big item events now. And this line of argument always says that eventually the government reduces the burden on the companies or the individuals. Actually, you have the effect of creating a lodger pie. So eventually in do calls, at least the government eventually actually get more revenue coming in from the culprits off from the individuals. Now, I would say the immediate concern right now. The Chinese communities are faced with is that we need to really make sure that the people have enough money to dispose of by themselves, and the companies should have much less burden for example. So that they can increase their productivity. And then I. Donnelly would appeal to the cover nature's that they should avoid spending so much on some of the very much big show events, for example. So that we will achieve more or less the same results without over spending the money for the show of these events think of much that's rep up the first staff of oh program in the next half will continue our discussion about China's domestic issues and its foreign policies at our panel. Today's our current affairs commentator, Victor gal and Michael powers Zurich insurance group professor of risk and finance at the university. And also, you can watch a live webcam broadcast of this discussion. Facebook can just search for China. Plus news on Facebook. You may want to post your questions online and will pass to questions to our guests to to answer. And you can also download our podcast simply search for world. News analysis. On apple podcast, where any other places you get your podcast for previous episodes and more topics. You're listening to today. Stay with us. I am on Koch idea. I teach at the university in today has organized its programs, and it says on bringing in a lot of views from all over. It is an extremely good platform for information and analysis than I should all success in the future. China. Plus dot cri dot CNN is your home for everything you want to know about China. The latest news in China and everything China-related from around the world. Everything can focus all in one place bringing you vital information feel business and travel Chinese culture language landing and mall shine, plus dot CO, ri- dot C, N, China, plus dot cri dot C, N your portal in today's middle kingdom. Online on air and on your phone. Take today wherever you go. And stay ahead of what's changing our world from politics and the economy to business and technology today covers regional and international issues that affect China and the world Jeep up-to-date with today. You're listening to today. I'm su- each Premier Li could challenge the press on Friday at the great hall of the people after the conclusion of the annual session of the National People's Congress the national legislature here in China. So this absolute where discussing China's domestic issues and is foreign policy. Our panel is our current affairs commentator, Victor gal and Michael powers Zurich insurance group professor of risk and finance at Saint wa university. You can watch a live webcam broadcast of this discussion Facebook and also on Twitter just search for China. Plus news, you can also post your questions there and will try to answer those questions and don't forget you can also download our podcast simply search for world. News analysis, apple podcast, where any other places you get to our podcast for previous episodes and other topics you may find interested, and that's continue our discussion about China's. Economic issue and other topic. We mentioned in the first half is this foreign investment law. They entire law was released actually earlier today. And I need doesn't take many long for anyone to finish the whole thing. So Victor, how big of a change does this law would make I mean to replace the previous separate laws in this room. Yes, I think the preparation for this new law has taken several decades actually of there have been preliminary proposals to all kinds of amendments or changes to the previous regulations Coveney foreign investment in China for years and this. NBC session. Finally, all the good work over the years combinations. In a good debate. Among the data gates of NBC and eventually passing this law as we just mentioned, I think there are two key provisions. One is the negative list provisions and the other one is the leveling of the playground for all kinds of enterprises, including foreign investments into China. Now. I personally believe this will really create a lot of predictability and transparency and freedom of all the enterprises coming from all parts of the world into China because they will no longer go through the so called approval process. They just need to make sure that the investments they will make in China. I'm not the prohibited on the negative list. Dow, let me just be very briefing, Driesen example, previously, for example. There was a rule saying any provincial government in China can only approve for investments up to thirty million US dollars for one single investment. And keep you mind we talking about these provinces which are imitators Najah than a country in Europe. For example. There are so many provinces like the tram province, her name province Cuando province Shandong province, for example, which have each population of more than one hundred million and to have these kind of revelatory approches on the pods on the Chinese provincial governments in their proving for investments now is very clear, it's a kind of unnecessary hindrance. And I think using the negative list will really free up not only for investors come into China. But also the government's at different levels in China. To be more focused on what the good at in doing rather than all the paperwork all the red tape, for example. And I think foreign investors will be much more Emagel when they do these investments into China soul. I believe this foreign investment law will become a new landmark in any challenge will really become a new enabler for investments, and this also demonstrates that this at this particular moment of China's growth, we fully acknowledged the importance of the foreign investments into China over the past forty years, and we want to make sure that the foreign investments are continuously welcomed and will become increasingly important because nowadays while we talk about for events. It's not only the money they bring in. It's also the technologies the technical know-how the brand's distribution network and the new way of. Of doing things are locking things. I think all these are absolutely what China will need in many years to come into the future. So Michael, how do you expect this will be received by other countries, particularly the business world, I think that will be very well received. And I think victims, right? This is a landmark and going to going back to something. I said earlier this is an indication that China believes that it no longer needs to protections for various domestic industries, even though it is still a developing Connie, but they're now creating this level playing field and apart from the negative list, which is really items that have more of perhaps national security strategic of concern, and aren't aren't there primarily for protectionist types of reasons the country is ready for for competition for a level playing full. Field and full competition. So I think that foreign foreign investors potential foreign investors, foreign governments will see this as a very positive step. But I think in addition to this the indication the statement by Premier Li regarding the technology transfer issue, and the fact that was not part of China's law was not part of the Chinese policy that that companies foreign companies would be forced to transfer technology as part of the joint ventures, and China, I think that that will also be seen very favourably abroad. And the fact that the the central government has as indicated an intent mechanism for dealing with infractions of that that that sort of forcing technology, transferring if a curse is is particularly important, and is something that that investors will look at very closely. As well as foreign governments. So at another side of the story. I can't think of like Mike just mentioned less protection and ready for competition. What about domestic players like Victor, how quick do expect? This will put more pressure on Chinese domestic players in. That's. There is a level of concern among domestic players because that has always been level of apprehension that once the country opens up the door wide of foreign participation. They'll be negative pressure on the domestic players probably will be faced up with more pressure. More competition, for example. However, I think we need to look at the situation in a different way that is philosophically speaking more competition there is the better it is for China as a whole and also it is better for the Chinese players why because no one in China shoot build itself into big room of protection of our example, set behi- wall of protectionism try to seek the level of safety all comfort in protected environment. Was we have more level playground? Once the country is more and more open to all kinds of competition, for example, including foreing competition, the environment of the business who will actually become healthier a more positive. So I hope our domestic companies will learn this not only from philosophical perspective. But also truly know that this is the time to live up to the expansion live up to the pressure from everywhere or any corner in the business community and the key to a better survival going forward is always a relentless endeavor and innovation and entrepreneurship and don't be afraid of competition from foreign parties coming to China. A welcome such competition as an opportunity and eventually a more competitive world will. Will generate a result of better qualities banter products, better safety records for any and all the players in doing business here in China facts. A little reminder for our listeners, you can also watch a live webcam broadcast of this penalty on Facebook. And also on Twitter just search for China, plus news, and also you can post your questions online, and we'll try to answer those questions, and that's move onto innovation. Victor just mentioned innovation and the first question is about the sharing economy earlier today, a Premier Li set when he comes to the several quite high profile like sometimes safety incidents regarding the sharing economy in China last year. He's he said when it comes to regulation of those new companies he said, not to let it be abut war. But instead of also not down once there is a problem. So Vetere, how'd you? See this approach of the Chinese government to regulate that the new economy. I think you probably are referring to some of the new phenomenon into business in China involving new business models, for example, in China from the government's perspective there is an eagerness to promote more innovations, and they actually tend to approve for new types of the businesses Neil concepts, for example, new business models, which emeny other countries of the government's all the regulators actually have a higher level of scrutiny against these businesses as primarily correctly Pontius out where you do allow these new business models to take place all even to flourish. There are both pros and cons. There are rewards as well as risks. And because many of these new business models. Completely new and the country all the consumers of the society at large enough for prepared or sometimes they don't even know what will be the downside of negative or damaging consequences. They will bring in. Sometimes we end up with some huge losses. Autism Astor's all business scams. For example. However, I think primarily giants also very correctly pointy out that the government should really be more balancing dealing with this on the one hand, I think China still need to really adopt a very on day shis way in encouraging these new businesses taking shaping China. But all the other hand, I think consumer protection and fraud prevention and info sment of all kinds and also a mechanism which can really spot some of the foul play mechanisms in these new business models should take. So that eventually while way, give them enough incentive to try and experiment with new ideas and new concepts. There will also be very speedy and effective mechanism to pick up the signals of foul play and eventually come to quick solution of these major problems to avoid major disasters all very bad consequences of for the Chinese consumers. Right. So Mike like Victor mention it's not just an issue in China. We know there is a debate in other parts of the world about regulation on those like internet giants were companies. So what's your observation of the approach of the Chinese government? I think that the the controversies that exist on the maybe the calls for regulation differ by country and differ by continent on in the United States. Their concerns about. Some of the the very big high tech companies and often they have to do with privacy issues privacy issues. But then also there their issues of monopoly and control of information and control of the use of information. And of course, then in those play with that in privacy. So that people actually calling to break up some some of the big players at the moment. I'm not sure how that's going to play out Europe has expressed. Concerns in the privacy area privacy has for the past. Couple of decades has been a bigger concern. I would say in Europe than it was in the United States. And and so they're probably that will be more of the focus than issues of monopoly concentration and so forth in China. I think that with innovation as Victor said there, and I it really depends on what particular industry are looking at and who the possible winners and losers are we have in the sharing economy the shared bike market, where investors lost a lot of money. I think many of those investors were actually quite well to do investors. And so perhaps if they are informed investors, and they lose money that's less of a concern that if they are small small retail investors in the area of online lending shadow. Banking peer to peer lending and particular on there is concern. And and there there have been a concern with with people lending investing. That are not such that is not such well to do wealthy individuals and in that area, it it's more important that the government play a strong regulatory role to protect the smaller investors. And indeed, that's what happened in that industry. And the government has taken some great strides to reduce the reduce the dangers just influence and the dangers of the shadow banking industry as part of its overall de leveraging effort, in fact, I would say that perhaps that area is the most successful in terms of reducing inefficiency of through through excessive lending. So I think that innovation. Yes. I think China is maybe because of of the maybe the civil Justice system. Item the nature of the regulatory system the stratification of government, but the the principal control from the central government of certain types of regulatory issues. I think that it can allow the development or experimentation of of certain types of products that other countries might be reluctant to do. And but at the same time, it it has the the ability to intervene much more quickly than some other countries such as the United States where the system requires often requires the use of the court system to accomplish a regulatory end, which can be accomplished in China much more quickly through the regulatory authority directly. Thank you very much before we enter our last segment. Take a short break. Here. Your distinct today stay with us. Breaking news and stories that matter to you twice on Twitter by searching for China plus news, where we'll share with you are up to the minute use in-depth analysis and livestream videos. Visit China plus news for your window on China and the. Hi, this is either Chang. The today's show brings experts local and international perspectives on China's economic and business issues having been in law governments and finance in the United States. I find China's economic and political evolution fascinates. And hope you do. Also, thank you for listening. You're listening to today. I'm sweet Chinese Premier Li Coachella meta press on Friday at the great hall of the people after the conclusion of this year's session of the Nash annual session of the National People's Congress. So this absolute where discussing China's domestic issues and also some of foreign policy. Our panel is current affairs commentator, Victor gal and mica powers Zurich insurance group professor of risk and finance at a team university. A reminder for our listeners can also watch a life webcam broadcast of this penalty scotch in on Facebook. And also on Twitter just search for China plus news, and now, let's continue our discussion since we're talking about innovation. I wanna bring up a topic five G a personal formation is that probably these days, we focus too much on the competitive side of the story of the five technology instead of the real benefits where maybe real business models five G cambering to the world to China. So Victor, what's your division? Of the case in China. Well, first of all five G, Israel, five G is coming and five G will completely reshape the whole world in terms of all walks of life, ending terms of how things are down by companies by society by the government or by individuals. So let's face up with this great megatrend and the realities. Secondly, there are Chinese companies in cruelty away, for example, which are indeed in the cutting edge of the five G technologies. Third point that me and allow me to make a five G as far as I understand will involve at least two aspects. And these two aspects are very much combined together like the two sides of the same coin that is one side is the infrastructure. The other side will be the applications which will be build our top of the applications now both are equally important. Let me give a point of my own personal observation too many countries in the world. Now, if you do not build up a very high-quality five, gene at work, the applications eventually you will add on top of the five G network will be gob age in garbage out. So those countries will eventually lose out on two fronts. First of all, you have less of a high quality and affordable and reliable and safe network to start with Secondly, all the applications you build on top of that will be sub quality now in five G because the more advanced than excel A-Rated speed and the seamless applications, you cannot really fault to be amiss by any chance in terms of. Let's say pilots, Dr pilotless driving, for example, if you're. Network is not really up to standard. If the applications are up to standard, you will be talking about loss of human lives. So I would say for all those governments which are really tried to use either protectionism to screen outset and company in favor of others, for example, or for example, out of desperation or ever seeing for example, instinct, they are really going to cause a lot of harm to their own country and to their own consumer. So I would say when mankind is all the threshold of with this going through the five G revolution. Let's be very objective. Let's be very much focused on the real thing. That matters that is a high quality network of five G and on top of that. All. All the relevant applications on top of the network to Mike. Oh, how'd you evaluate the potential of gene China? I think it's it's going to be dramatic. If I had any concern. My concern would be that. Perhaps as says, the technology is fantastic. It's a great step forward. If there's a concern, it might be that perhaps we don't yet have the applications for some for for some of the potential that's being offered. The biggest area where hear people talk about applications is in the so called internet things. Any kind of mechanisms that require not just rapid connect connective, but a constant dual back and forth collectively multiple connections to the same note. And so forth will be enhanced. So the for example, the the driverless vehicle or the driverless or the pilotless drone all of these things are now an experimental stages. China's doing it the United States is doing it Europe to doing it. But it will be the ability will be greatly enhanced in terms of the amount of information and the speed that the information of can be transmitted which will greatly reduce the potential for accidents and other types of of damage or inefficiencies that could result from the system. So I really think that we will begin to see a more use of of these interactive things these mechanisms that we can perhaps ourselves, but certainly as government or companies will be able to provide a through internet connections. We probably will be able to to access more and have control over more things through our smartphones much as somebody today might be able to control a drone through a smartphone. And that seems pretty remarkable. I'm we'll be able to do many things we'll be able to perhaps have much. Much better interaction with delivery service. We will perhaps be able to follow our package. A not just once it gets to the delivery person at the final stage, but everywhere through the process and not just by seeing something presented on a computer screen, but by interacting and asking questions moment by moment. I think that there there really are tremendous potentials of that will come about. And I think that re- referring to to something that we covered earlier in terms of the regulation that is is likely and that is needed. This is something I mean, one difference is of course, in terms of the technology choices that the different countries. Make and the competitiveness and other things that are involved with that. But in terms of the regulation, this is an area in which I think that there could be very dramatic differences between China and the United States because of the the nature of the civil. Justice system and the types of regulations that come into play when one is flying drone around or one is driving a vehicle around and they're human beings at risk. I think that the the ability to to introduce pilot programs and speedily improve this market is something that China may be able and our vantage the China may have over the United States. Thanks was have time to address a foreign policy question. This morning premier Likud shell made it clear he said, it's basically impossible to couple China and the United States, Victor, we understand that this general attitude. Well, I think primerica channels very confident of very balanced and very much composed in describing China's foreign policies as well. As for example, very important relations between China and the United States it also instructs level of confidence Premier Li. John himself as well as as represented by him, the Chinese leadership as a whole in terms of understanding the real crux of the better in China US relations. I think is very courage in that the Chinese leadership is very fully convinced that a nothing fundamentally wrong will happen between China the United States causing resulting in that decoupling of China US rations after all China US relations are very much intertwined with each other and the two economies are very much interconnected with each other and trying to achieve completed de-coupling will first of all not be possible for Secondly, it will be hugely damaging to the fundamental interest of the American people to start with but also of those will be damaging to the Chinese people. And therefore, I hope they'll be no one, really. Out of their decency or out of their mind in trying to pursue such a fraud the policy of trying to decouple the economy's all the society at large in China with that of the United States. It's a mission impossible. I think the better way as the Chinese leaders have described again, again is that whether you like it on China and the United States will need to learn how to get along with each other. Thank you very much. Unfortunately, that's all the time. We have for this edition of our panel. And I wanna thank our guests current affairs commentator, Victor gal and Mike appears Zurich insurance group professor of risk and finance at its university. And don't forget you can't download our podcast by searching for world news analysis. I'm so we have nice weekend.
131: I Loved You Before I Was Born
"I'm US poet laureate. Tracy k Smith. And this is the slowdown. Sometimes I feel as if I've known the people I love for more than a lifetime, as if the history, we share predates us. Maybe that's the kind of magical thinking love invites a fantasy of past lives and lives yet to be lived that matches our wished to remain connected, always, but I hope it's more than fantasy. I hope there is such a thing as the sole and that it's in no hurry to do whatever work souls are born to do. That's my wish. But even if this life were living in the here, and now is the whole big picture. It feels good that language offers us words with which to imagine the never ending ords, like eternity, which invite me to imagine that we belong to a continuum long enough to match the infinite vast -ness of the universe itself, I will likely never succeed at imagining what eternity must look like, but the concept of it fits into language. And so I continue to try maybe the concept of eternity is an attempt to outsmart fear away of claiming in invincibility that defies the rigid. Terms of human mortality. Today's poem is, I loved you before I was born by leeann Lee, and it belongs to the Jon Rao of love poems, which reject the boundaries of life and death. Poems. That say to the reader, are you still hung up on mortality yet with the program? You're thinking too small. Don't you know love is bigger than that. Lease speaker extends the reach of his love to the time before birth. It's impossible, it defies logic. He says as much himself more than once in the poem and yet, on a certain level, it resonates with the deepest logic defying feelings that love itself insights. I loved you before I was born that language is capable of such feats is perhaps, one of the chief constellations of poetry. I loved you before I was born by Leong Li I loved you before I was born it doesn't make sense. I know I saw your eyes before I had is to see and I've lived longing for your every look ever since. That longing entered time as this body and the longing grew as this body waxed. And the longing grows as this body Wayne's that longing will outlive this body. I loved you before I was born it makes no sense. I know long before eternity. I caught a glimpse of your neck and shoulders your ankles and toes. And I've been lonely for you from that instant that loneliness appeared on earth as this body, and my share of time has been nothing but your name out running my ever saying at clearly your face fleeing my ever kissing. It firmly once on the mouth in longing. I am most myself. F- wrapped my lamp, mortal my light hidden and singing. I give you my blank heart. Please write on it. What you wish. The slowdown is a production of American public media in partnership with the library of congress and the poetry foundation. To get a poem delivered to you daily. Go to slow down show dot ORG and sign up for our newsletter.
Cheung Tze-keung Pt. 1
"This episode features discussions of kidnapping and violence that some people may find offensive listener discretion is advised especially for children under thirteen may twenty third nineteen ninety six thirty one year old. Victor Li had just finished a long day at work. He had to hurry if you wanted to make it to dinner at his father's home in the affluent deep Water Bay area of Hong Kong as the son of a business tycoon. Victor knew he was destined for great things he had received a top education at Stanford University and was poised to take over his father's company. Some day now. He only hoped he could live up to his dad's legacy nicknamed Superman by Hong Kong locals. Victor's father sixty eight year old. Li ka-shing had built his empire from the ground up. Victor on the other hand had only ever known wealth his whole life had been filled with privilege and he wondered if Hong Kong would embrace him the way they had his father. These thoughts weighed on victor's mind as he made his way outside to the waiting Limo. If he had been paying more attention he might have noticed the forms lurking in the shadows as victor reached for the car door. Five men emerged from the darkness and grabbed him. They shoved a blindfold over his eyes. But not before. He caught a glimpse of what they were carrying machine. Guns who ever these men were. They weren't taking him to see his father. This is hostage a podcast original. Every week we tell the stories behind the most captivating hostage situations and the people inside them will also cover. The psychological tactics used in kidnapping situations. And what the human brain does win held captive. I'm Irma Blanco. I'm Carter Roy. You can find episodes of hostage and all other park asked originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen. Podcasts just dream hostage for free on spotify just opened the APP and type hostage in the search bar at par cast. Were grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. So let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at par cast and twitter at podcast network. This is our first episode on one of Hong Kong's most ruthless crime bosses Chunky Kong. His obsession with wealth drove him to commit to kidnappings for ransom this week. We'll discuss Chung secons early life. And how his introduction to underground gambling fueled his obsession with wealth and status this led to increasingly dangerous crimes culminating with the kidnapping of his first victim. Victor Lee the son of one of Hong Kong's richest businessmen next week. We'll examine how one successful ransom left. Chum confident enough to try another will also explore the controversial agreement between Hong Kong and Chinese courts that ultimately decided his fate John. T-com was an unlikely kidnapper but his love of money and his criminal background led him to attempt his most notorious crimes. The kidnapping of Victor Li in one thousand nine hundred ninety six and Walter. Kwok in one thousand nine hundred ninety seven to truly understand criminal like Chunky Kong. One would have to be acquainted with Hong Kong's history of gang violence and how it came to be. The island was first seated from the Chinese to the British in eighteen. Forty two at the end of the First Opium War in eighteen ninety eight. China agreed to lease the island to Britain for a period of one hundred years. Meaning that come. Nineteen ninety-seven Hong Kong would return to Chinese rule. Under British rule Hong Kong became an international trading port and experienced economic growth at a much faster pace than its neighbor. China differences in language and political ideology further divided. The two regions Hong Kong had a democratic government with elected officials while China was under a communist regime when the two countries did finally merge in the nineties the transition wouldn't be easy thus in the nineteen eighties both countries preemptively agreed on a principle called one country two systems which would allow Hong Kong to retain separate legal and judicial systems. Once they join China Hong Kong citizens would also retain some liberties not guaranteed to the Chinese such as freedom of speech and assembly essence. Hong Kong would fall under Chinese jurisdiction but it would retain a separate identity when it came to internal politics. These rights are insured to Hong Kong until twenty forty seven however one country two systems played perfectly into the hands of certain criminals. Those smart enough to commit crimes on one side of the border and hide out on the other. Neither Hong Kong nor China is a stranger to organized crime or gang activity. The region's most prolific organization called the triads originated in Seventeenth Century. China and has continued to gain power ever since triads are expected to accept each other as blood brothers never failing to offer a fellow member food shelter or financial assistance. There's a strict hierarchy to the gang and an elaborate initiation process complete with sacred poetry and ceremonial speeches. Prospective members also agree to the thirty six oaths elaborate code of conduct that spells out how they must honor their brotherhood protect their reputations and never betrayed the organization the punishment for defying. Any of the thirty six oaths is grizzly. The offending gang member will be killed by five thunderbolts or by a myriad of swords in effect they could be executed by a firing squad or stabbed by an onslaught of weapons. When Hong Kong came. Under British rule in eighteen forty two the triad were a prime target for police so the gang broke into smaller factions. Instead of weakening them the strategy only increased the triads power by the nineteen sixties. There were at least sixty different triad gangs in Hong Kong and police estimated that one in six citizens belong to one. The triads made their money primarily through the drug trade but they also often resorted to illegal gambling. Extortion fraud or prostitution for a time. The triads were too prevalent and powerful for the police to touch between nineteen fifty and nineteen seventy triads. Were all but running. Hong Kong's Kowloon Walled City. Originally in old Chinese military Fort Calhoun was the only section of Hong Kong that China had refused to hand over to the British in Eighteen. Ninety Eight Kowloon Walled City technically remained a part of China but even China lacked a clear initiative for the area as a result it was something of a no-man's-land crammed with over thirty thousand people. The area became a hotbed for crime violence theft and drugs by the mid nineteen hundreds. It was so out of control. The police adopted an unofficial hands-off policy for the area. They were no longer going to risk their lives trying to control the neighborhood. Outsiders were too afraid to enter. Kowloon and bus drivers and Waste Management. Employees refused to set foot inside its parameters either. The triads heyday was limited. In one thousand nine hundred eighty seven. The British and Chinese governments announced a joint plan to Demolish Kowloon walled city. The Hong Kong Police Force also introduced the Organized Crime and Triad Bureau specifically meant to combat gang crimes as they inevitably spilled out of the ruin neighborhood by the Early Nineteen Ninety S. The wall city had been completely torn down. Most triad activity was driven underground from this point on gang members generally stock to smaller tier targets believing the ultra wealthy. Hong Kong business tycoons to be too high profile to connected to police and therefore too risky to pursue that. None of this mattered to one criminal. Chung see Kong in nineteen fifty five Chunky Kong was born in Gangdong province China to a poor farming family in a rural mountain town. Life was so difficult that Chung sister died of starvation effort to save his wife and four year. Old Son Chung's father. Smuggled the family over the border into Hong Kong in Hong Kong. Chung's father opened an herbal drink shop and yell. Matei an area known to be frequented by criminals and gangsters but it still wasn't enough to support his family to supplement his income. Chung's father started as Zepa or illegal lottery. Stand every week. Chung watched his father collect the entry fees from the participants always kept a cut for himself before handing over the remaining pile of cash to the lucky winner. The fact that this was illegal didn't register with Cheung. All he saw for dollar signs. Emily Mendez a mental health and substance. Abuse expert explains that children who grow up around gambling. Don't always see this risky behavior as a big deal. They're more prone to develop gambling addictions as teens and young adults given their early exposure. This seemed to be the case for Chung who would become a high stakes gambler. Later in life and as a criminal he became adept at taking major risks. It was all a part of the life. He had known since childhood at School in Hong Kong. Chong a bright enthusiastic learner but he was shunned by the other students for being an immigrant from mainland China. As the school outcast Chung learn to toughen up in order to survive. He eventually fell in with some local gang members before long teenage Chung had pledged allegiance to the famous fourteen k triad as Chong became acquainted with the Organization. He no longer understood the point in continuing his education after all his father earned enough money through illegal means. Why couldn't he owned by age? Sixteen Chung had dropped out of school left his family's home and risen through the triad ranks to become a leader and he had a rap sheet to show for it. Chung had already been arrested nearly fifteen times for assault theft N. robbery police regarded him as a hardened criminal entreated him as such not giving him any leniency even though he was still a minor over the next three years the teenager was in and out of jail prison was. Chung's first losing hand. Inmates were treated more like animals than human beings and the guards thought. Nothing of denying them basic necessities. Chung was determined that once he left prison he would never return even if it meant giving up his burgeoning criminal career. Each twenty newly released from prison. John Attempted to live in accordance with the law as father helped him secure a tailoring apprenticeship but his resolution short lived while working for the Taylor. John met someone who changed his outlook on crime. Chung's coworker a man named Wong thing. She explained that. The only surefire way to become rich was through illegal means but in order to be successful. One had to be as careful and meticulous as a Taylor. Every stitch must be perfectly placed or else the whole garment unraveled armed with this. New Outlook Chong embarked on a loan shark venture which proved moderately successful with payments. Finally Rolling in two things became very clear to Cheung Kong money. Was everything an earning. It legitimately was for suckers around this time in the late seventies Chung began so sitting with gang members in the Kowloon walled city. The region was still controlled by the triad. Gang and police maintain their hands off policy. It was there that Chung learned that gambling wasn't the only way to rake in a quick payout. Armed robbery paid pretty well to street. Fighting and petty theft escalated to more dangerous ventures for Chung and he soon joined forces with another career criminal twenty-three-year-old daredevil Yip Kifune where Chung was a meticulous planner. Yip had less inhibitions. He was willing to charge into a situation. Headfirst guns blazing. If they worked together they would make a dynamic duo having joined forces. The two criminals plan their biggest heist yet. It would be bold daring and risky but if it worked they'd get the pay out of their lives coming up. Chung see Kong takes his first massive gamble. Par cast listeners. If you enjoy stories about crime mystery and the unexplained you'll absolutely love the new park cast original series supernatural with Ashley Flowers. It's hosted by Crime Junkies Ashley Flowers and you can hear new episodes every Wednesday. Almost mysteries can be solved by looking at the facts but sometimes the facts don't lead to a logical explanation and the truth lies somewhere in the unknown in supernatural with Ashley. Flowers actually takes a deep dive into the strange and surreal to explain some the world's most bizarre true crime occurrences each week. She'll dig into a different crime or mystery where the most fitting theory isn't always the most conventional from exorcisms to unsolved murders to alien abductions. Ashley will take on. The tails challenged the unexplained anti-sect the facts with a heavy helping skepticism and rationale. So are you ready to get to the bottom of history's most peculiar events? Follow supernatural with Ashley. Flowers free on spotify. Or wherever you get your podcasts. Now back to the story after joining forces with another young gangster. Yep Kifune up and coming criminal thirty-four-year-old Chunky Kong decided. The time was ripe to plan a massive heist. They would steal a shipment of Rolex watches bound for the Hong Kong airport as the two men put their plan together. Chung remembered the advice given to him by his old CO worker. Wong Chee like a Taylor. Chung had to be meticulous. Every last detail mattered in preparation for the job. Chong-in Yep hired several henchmen. Chung made sure they knew to cover their faces and move quickly to avoid being identified by the police on February. Twenty Second Nineteen Ninety Chung. Yip an a few of their associates made their way to Kai Tak airport in Hong Kong. The men were wearing bulletproof vests and carrying heavy weapons but if everything went according to plan they wouldn't need them. Chung had a code of honor. He ordered his men to never harm civilians to only fire their weapons when absolutely necessary and to act as a unit a brotherhood parked at the airports delivery bay where an armored van would be arriving with the watches. The car arrived on schedule so far. So good wants to Van. Parked Chung gave the signal. The gangs swarm the armored van waving their guns around for intimidation. The delivery guards were easily outflanked. The criminals broke open the vehicle and grabbed as much merchandise as possible loading up armfuls of the expensive watches before escaping. They had stolen millions of dollars worth of products and fled unscathed. In under a minute. They slipped across the border into China to count their loot as the brains of the operation. Chung took forty percent of the spoils for himself. Divvying up the rest. Among the other men the Rolex Heist was so successful that a year later Chung. Yup and they're men decided to plan another robbery. This time they would target. An armored car said to be carrying seventeen point five million. Us dollars in thirty five million Hong Kong dollars not only was the potential loot going to be a bigger take than the watch heist. It was a lot riskier to an armored car would have trained security guards wielding automatic weapons. Had to be perfect if the gang didn't want to be caught or killed with this in mind Chung Yep and three other gangsters suited up with their own semiautomatic weapons then on July Twelfth Nineteen ninety-one. They headed back to the KAI. Tak Airport took their places and waited. When the armored car arrived Chung gave the go-ahead chaos ensued but the five gang members easily. Outmatched the armed guards in minutes Chung Yip and the others were driving off with approximately twenty million. Us dollars in cash. It was the largest single cash haul in Hong Kong's history to date once safely across the Chinese border. The thieves divided the money as before. Chong kept the largest share of the profits but divided the rest fairly among his men triads believed in brotherhood and taking care of each other. If Chung got rich they all would and rich he was Chung. Now have the money to do anything he pleased. And he used to indulge in his favorite hobby gambling every casino visit followed the same pattern an ostentatious yellow lamborghini rolled up to the entrance. A man stepped out. John was rather small with bushy eyebrows was always dressed in designer labels from head to toe. He certainly stood out in a crowd. Once inside he would immediately flagged down a cocktail server and order the most expensive whiskey on the menu. Tipping the waiter more money than they usually made in a week then. John made his way over to circle of friends where he ordered more drinks and food eventually. He switched to his preferred beverage orange juice. Chung was wary of drinking too much. He didn't want to become undignified. You had to concentrate on schmoozing and placing bets. None of his casino pals had any idea that Chung was one of the world's most notorious gangsters they all believed he was in the jewelry business. They didn't know that his only experience with jewelry stores was robbing them at gunpoint. In fact they didn't even know his real name Chong simply went by the nickname they had given him. Big Spender one night. Big Spender sat at one of the tables and started placing his bats. He won then he went again. He double down again and again. His friends looked on in awe. As the Jackpot reached the millions Chung placed his final bet and lost it all just like that. Cheung was out of what amounted to twenty five million. Us dollars his entourage expected their resident high roller to shout or flip over the table but Chung remained astonishingly calm instead. He finished his orange juice and suggested that the group continued the party at his town house. The guests were treated to a tour of big spenders apartment passing his pricey art collection which consisted of mostly tablist and Buddhist statues as well as busts of himself and a sphinx like statue of his wife. Luo Yan Fong. One guest wandered into Cheung's massive bedroom where a giant letter M. was carved into the headboard Chung explained that the m stood for money. All thanks to money. The world was at his fingertips until it all came crashing down distracted by gambling and partying. Chung it slipped a few months after the armored car heist. The police successfully identified him. As the number one suspect they put pressure on local triad members to come forward with anything tying the incidents to Chung even went after Chong's wife and shook her down for information but to no avail in the end to Chung's men turned on him and September of Nineteen Ninety one. He was tried for the armed robbery and sentenced to eighteen years in prison. We'll Chunky Kong was no stranger to life behind bars. This time was different. It was wealthy now and a respected. If elusive member of Hong Kong's high-society. He couldn't believe that the police had the audacity to lock him up in his mind. These officers were the real criminals. They took money from the taxpayers and used it to go after innocent. People like him as opposed to violent offenders. This perspective isn't uncommon among criminals. Stanton knee SAM now. A clinical psychologist reports that nearly all criminal offenders view themselves as good people. They often excuse their behavior by citing their religion and good deeds or by stating that other criminals have committed more heinous crimes than themselves while in prison. Chung claimed that he was treated. He alleged that in order to get a confession from him. Police officers hit him with sticks and whipped him with belts he also said. They tortured his wife leaving both of them with scars. Chong wasted away in prison losing any hope of speedy appeal however only eighteen months into his lengthy sentence lock was back on Chung side. During one of his appeals. A guard who was present at the Kai. Tak robbery failed to properly identify Chung. The charges were dropped in June. Nineteen ninety five. The forty year old Cheung Kong was released from prison but John was hardly in the mood to celebrate his newfound freedom. His time behind bars had left him. Extremely bitter what. Good were his promises to remain nonviolent. If he ended up in prison with the murderers anyway to make matters worse his own triad brothers had betrayed him. The UNBREAKABLE BONDS OF THE TRIAD BROTHERHOOD. Apparently could be broken. Chang's honor codes seemed irrelevant to him now. He found himself at a crossroads and decided to move forward alone. All he had to do was pick his next crime at this point. Chun had run the gamut of armed robbery yet proven to himself that he was as capable of executing seemingly impossible heists as he was small theft he felt confident that he can pull off a crime of even greater magnitude. It also had to be more lucrative. Prison HADN'T TAMED. Chung's appetite for wealth. If anything it made him more insatiable Roderick Broadhurst a professor of criminology noted that Chun's willingness to go to extremes for money isn't really uncommon. We live in a society measured by wealth and status. So it's unsurprising that when people can't earn the money they desire through conventional means. They turned to innovative. In sometimes illegal methods. Chung was no exception. He was obsessed with money and he would stop at nothing to feed his greed. With this goal in mind he settled on his most radical scheme. Yet it was going to kidnap the ten richest men Hong Kong and hold them for ransom. Coming up Chung goes after his first victim back to the story in June. Nineteen ninety-five forty-year-old. Cheung Kong had recently been released from his second stint in prison. But this time he made no effort to turn his life around and go legit he had gotten a taste of the good life and he was willing to do anything to hold onto it including kidnapping people for ransom. Chong had devised a dramatic scheme. He was going to abduct the ten wealthiest men in Hong Kong and hold them for ransom. Having settled on this plan Chung got down to the specifics who to kidnap I ultimately. He decided on thirty one year old. Victor Lee the son of one of Hong Kong's wealthiest businessmen and the heir to his father's Fortune Chauncey. Kahn had a lot in common with victor's father. Sixty eight year old. Li ka-shing neither grew up particularly wealthy and both men had taken huge risks that resulted in vast wealth. But while Chong used illegal means Li ka-shing had honed his legacy honestly in one thousand nine hundred ninety six sixty eight year old businessman. Li ka-shing was the richest man. In Asia. Hong Kongers affectionately referred to him as Superman for his quintessential rags to riches tale Li ka-shing and his family fled to Hong Kong from mainland China during the Second World War. Shortly afterwards lease father died of tuberculosis saddling. His sixteen year old son with financial responsibility for the whole family Lee began working at a factory where he was eventually promoted to manager by the age of twenty two. He had saved up enough meager earnings to open his very own plastics factory. Cheung Kong Industries Lease Company proved to be massively successful and he used his profits to branch out into other lucrative industries shrewd businessman. He invested in energy solutions technologies and building developers throughout the world as well as real estate in Hong Kong in spite of his wealth. Li ka-shing was well loved. He had a solid reputation for being a man of his word stating that a verbal yes or no is as good as a written contract and he was a very modest family man. His pride and joy in life was his son. Victor Thirty one year old. Victor had spent his formative years being groomed to take over. Cheung Kong Industries. He studied civil engineering at Stanford University before moving to Vancouver where he oversaw one of his father's subsidiary companies Husky Energy. When Victor came aboard the company was doing quite poorly but victor side as an opportunity to prove himself by one thousand nine hundred ninety Husky energy was thriving and Victor. Li had been promoted to co-chairman impressed by his sons initiative. Li ka-shing invited victor to return to Hong Kong and worked directly underneath him at Cheung Kong headquarters by Nineteen ninety-six thirty one year old. Victor was well established at Cheung Kong. Little did he know that criminal mastermind. Cheung Kong was watching his every move. Chung's men gathered information. About what time victor left home in the morning? How long it took him to get to work. What kind of car? He drove and where he went to lunch. Once Chung piece together victor schedule he discovered that on May Twenty Third Nineteen ninety-six. Victor was scheduled to visit his father's home in deep water. Bay Chung thought. This was as good a time as any to strike the evening of May Twenty Third. Victor wrapped up his last meeting for the day. He was looking forward to a quiet night with his family and his dark blue. Nissan President Limousine was waiting outside for him but Chunky Kong and four other men were waiting for him to victor. Li casually tossed his briefcase into the back seat of the Waiting Limo. But before he had a chance to slide into his seat he was blindsided. Five men tackled him shoving a blindfold over his face in a split second before he was blindfolded. Victor caught a glimpse of the assault. Rifles that Chung in the four other men were carrying you felt calloused hands. Hold his arms behind his body while someone else bound his wrists and legs with chains. Victor heard several different voices but he couldn't tell how many from what he could tell. One man was in charge. The whole ordeal happened. In a matter of seconds even victor's driver couldn't react fast enough to help Chung and his men tossed victor into a waiting truck and started driving hours past. Victor had no idea where they were headed. He was worried they had crossed the border into China or his chances of being discovered were slim after what felt like ours. Victor was dragged from the car and tossed into a small dark place that had wooden walls and no windows. This was hardly a room. It was more like a wooden crate. The kind used for shipping cargo one of the henchmen handed victor a bowl of steamed pork and rice. He accepted not knowing when or if he was going to get any more food. Victor wondered if he should just ask the man what was going on or what they wanted from him but that could potentially be more dangerous. You decided to keep his mouth shut. All he could do was wait for answers. Meanwhile at Lea- ka-shing's palatial home in Deep Water Bay Road Victor's billionaire father anxiously awaiting his arrival. Dinner was almost ready. And it wasn't like victor to be so late. Finally the doorbell rang. One of the maids went to the door. Expecting to see victor but her jaw dropped in terror when she saw a different familiar face to recognized him from the newspaper. Chunky Kong the criminal. Who Had Rob Kai Tak? Airport Chung demanded to see Li ka-shing immediately. He informed -ly that if he ever wanted to see his son again it would cost him two billion Hong Kong dollars. Thanks again for tuning into hostage each next week. We'll be back to discuss. How Chung seekonk secured the biggest ransom payment in history and how one kidnapping eventually led to another. You can find more episodes of hostage and all other par- cast originals for free on spotify. Not only to spotify already. Have all your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all your favorite podcast originals like hostage for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream hostage on spotify. Just open the APP and type hostage in the search bar and don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram at par cast and twitter at Park has network. We'll see you next time. In the meantime don't take your freedom or granted hostage was created by Max Cutler. And as a podcast studios original executive producers include Max Enron cutler sound designed by Russell Nash With Production Assistance by Ron Shapiro Carly Madden and Aaron Larson. This episode of hostage was written by Kathleen Cruiser with Writing Assistance by Kate Gallagher and stars Irma Blanco and Carter Roy listeners. Don't forget to check out the new podcast. Original series supernatural with Ashley. Flowers every Wednesday. Take a deep dive into the strange and surreal to find the truth behind. 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Introduction - Kavita Kya Hai? | GKG 001
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When can I prune my sand cherry without losing this year's bloom?
"Hi, this is Mark news from plant talk radio. Thanks for subscribing and listening to our podcast your gardening questions from plan. Talk radio to help keep this podcast free for you. We're partnering with stoke seeds preplanned your indoor seeds starting program with the help of the all new Stokes website now mobile and tablet friendly. The new website is a brand new gardening experience. It offers better interactivity and higher quality imagery. But what hasn't changed is the Stokes website is still the complete resource center with valuable information on seed starting planting and harvesting all the gardening accessories and a free catalog, whether you're adding texture a new variety for a splash of color developing an existing garden or starting from scratch stoke seeds has some great resources to help you. Plus all the gardening excessive as you need to make your garden. The envy of the neighborhood get growing with Stokes now. Today's question sand cherry. Okay, it has that beautiful those beautiful purple leaves. And then it has a blooms in the spring. She was saying that hers is. Close to the sidewalk, and it's kind of growing out over the sidewalk a little bit, and she was asking about pruning that plant the timing of pruning. It how hard to prune it and how not to lose the flowers. First of all the timing. So that you don't lose the flowers within almost always in all plants, and I think this one is going to be very much in that situation within thirty days of the last flowers dissipating, you should have pruned it now that is a time interval where there's probably been no bud set for flowers for the following year in that first thirty days thereafter, it's little unsure when it sets flower buds, so flowering, plus thirty days do the pruning at that time. Now, I had a sand cherry first of all it's beautiful little plant, you can treat it as a shrub, you can treat it as a hedge the one I had I let a lie put in for the purpose of making a small tree. And it got to oh ten feet high twelve wide and quite beautiful. It's it's while called a miniature purple Plum, it's in that same family and yet. Just doesn't get quite as big the color is remarkable the flowers in pink are beautiful re usually pretty prolific when you trim it at the right time now as to how hard. If you don't want somebody's I put out on sidewalk you have to clear the sidewalk, which is gonna make pruning a little bit irregular. Unless you have a tree that's now heading toward above six feet in height. You can start cutting back on the bottom stems Li literally removing them that are headed out toward decide while and then train it up as a tree mind became a very untroubled like and went into a three stem tree, I suppose it lasted twenty years. It started to get let's say more and more void in here. And there a branch would die, etc. And I finally just plain took it out. But it it was a quite a nice lasting plan. Never had any loss of flour from the standpoint of having pruned within that first thirty days. Sometimes I even left it alone because it was up over some of the plants on the ground level beautiful little plant. Thanks. Again for listening to the podcast. Remember preplanned your indoor seed starting program with the help of Stokes gardening guide and their online articles on their brand new website now mobile and tablet friendly and request your free catalog while you're online for the best selection of vegetable flower and herb seeds available go to stoke seeds dot com. Cultivating successful growers for generations.
Nigerian Government Says Siemens Deal Will Provide 3,800 Power
"The affiliate podcast shares the stories of multifaceted Africans. One episode at a time the podcast aims to uncover the untold stories of modern and millennial applicants based in various parts of the world. Each episode gives listeners an opportunity to learn and experience conversations that showcase who they are and global perspectives in our ever changing world fish also listen and subscribe to. The athlete podcast on spotify or wherever you listen to your favorite podcast. You can also follow at athletes podcast on all social media platforms. You're listening to the news at this hour on Africa Business? Radio also three, thousand, eight, hundred, power, and distribution transformers ought to be installed across the country based on the deal between the federal government and the German Kaufman's. AG The. Office of the Minister of far disclosed this in a series of tweets and Tuesday with other affirmed by the Minister of Saudi moment of Li-, his official twitter handle the O. M. P. explained that three thousand, eight, hundred power and distribution transformers with come under the first phase of the presidential power initiative deal with the German government and Salmon's providing a breakdown on. Some off the distribution projects as proposed by the submission companies to be implemented in phase. One of the deal, the Palm Ministry said three, thousand, seven, hundred, and sixty five. This bution transformers would be deployed and that wasn't news at this time. When Africa. Business Radio. You can't continue to listen live online at www dot Africa business radio that's COM or if I I'm a APP. I am Rachel she agenda. Thank you for listening.
Let Go of Negative Thoughts
"This is episode one thousand six hundred and thirty. Welcome to the day the meditation podcast. I'm Mary medically aunt. Can't I congratulate you forgiving yourself permission to slow down to connect to the best part of who do you are. In today's episode. You will be guided using a meditation technique. Take to help you feel grounded. And this is part of a series of meditations this week the following the theme of a recipe for gratitude a recipe to live your life with gratitude and a mood or is away you stimulate nerve endings on your hands and end fingers that corresponds with the region of your brain mood. Reser often referred to as yoga in your hands and the mood I'm sharing with you. Today is very easy over. You can see a photo of it. How it's done on the Sydenham facebook page? I always share a photo there and this is called the pretty Mudra. It's simple to do as rest. Your hands on your lap with your palms upward. You attach your thump tip to the tip of your ring finger. And that's it when you do. This modra helps you to feel more grounded. Did you often see statues in Asia doing this. Pretty Modra touching the thumb into the ring finger that thumb tip to the tip of the ring finger and win. You feel grounded. You naturally open up to those higher aspiring emotions such as gratitude. Oh love joy compassion forgiveness and these are emotions that are lider feeling. And it's difficult to feel these emotions when you feel heavy with remorse or regret or fear or self doubt and so an ingredient. I WANNA share with you today. Day For your recipe for gratitude to live your Li- is exactly what you were doing. It's to meditate. You already likely know the benefits of meditation. If you are here you may be new to meditation. Trying to figure it all out or you may be a longtime meditators looking for inspiration each day. Either way what you are doing for yourself is profound you are creating new neural pathways in your brain and you are activating. When you meditate your prefrontal Cortex and what this means is that you still will experience stress? But you're able to process it in a much better way When stress trauma those powerful emotions come your way you Reach more towards the lighter emotions of compassion of gratitude of love in handling your emotions when you don't meditate or you don't have a reflective type of ritual in your life. You're more likely to respond to stress US even everyday stress with worry and fear South doubt and and as a result you are activating and strengthening the part of your brain at harbours. You're McDonnell so you manage stress with fear anger her self doubt so you can reach for the light and a much better way when you meditate so I should get ready to settle yourself down to do your meditation today. You may do the Pretty Mutiara to help you feel grounded as you meditate eight okay. Sign White Year grateful for in your life. Those people those places that inspire you the activities that make you feel ally. Goals uh-huh keep you reaching for more fulfillment in your life and for connections with the world around you meditate to the point. Were you could go a little further. Always end your meditation on a high note. You are so worth slowing down and four Hello Aw Zero
173: Strong Men, Riding Horses
"<music> I'm Tracy K Smith and this is the slowdown <music> in her poem. Strongmen Riding Horses Wandel and Brooks describes men of power and ambition men who believed in westward expansion and manifest destiny men who sought to tame a land men who craved freedom and who ended up subjugating countless others in pursuit of their private dreams the poem speaker. Jerseys these men on movie and television screens but she doesn't see herself in them. She says I am not like that. I pay rent an adult by illegible landlords run. If robers call our present day heroes don't much resemble the T._V. Cowboys of that earlier time but perhaps the havoc their appetites unleash upon the environment and upon the lives of others others is familiar. Maybe that's one reason why today's poem by two Shawny Doshi Takes Gwendolyn Brooks his title as its own Indo. She's poem. I am made aware of the speakers. Occurs private struggle with the hard headedness and ham fisted -ness of men they may as well be riding around on horses twirling Lassos in the air. The threat they pose is eerie but would also familiar strongmen riding horses by two Shawny Doshi after Gwendolyn Brooks the men in my life comeback strong fat fat off the agony of summer's gone these men no longer think to write or call before riding into dreams with Luger's and Stephenson's on horses all wrong. They charge in they charge in like assassins through floorboards and bearings the men in my life gross spring-like out west cowboys with Tasha's and Gingham chests adrift on the lawns of Banishment. Oh the infinity of a grown man who waits the candidates range from primate to giant faces morose as funerals five years unravel revel into five hundred so many disappeared miles the men in my life hold secrets like spears a thousand would be husband circle the border reaching for naval face. Ace breastplate rope and from everything you imagined that was not comes dawn spidery and wet releasing them back to the West to where they wrote in from sunset onset restores them with Harmonicas rested and keen for a battering again yesterday's blue tongue blades of grass all the paths to longing are recurring and paved with orange trees trees earthquakes other women's men from here. The future blooms like a prehistoric fish of hope flat headed obdurate the lesson being to submerge. Urge to listen to the music of bones crying as they are changed from Gills to hoof except for the fossils gathered at our feet that insist with an architecture ancient and strong so what can we say about empires of harmony of men who ride horses treacherous as they are. We must counter these phantoms desert. I'd except for sleep. Nothing is ever finished and all that remains of night is a rooftop in summer a strong wind from the sea birds. Hey a family of men with high foreheads picking their teeth. They are lurching towards you with Balsam and pasted down hair breath Jiang Li with fear to have survived the ever-present restlessness of stars wake now.
Episode 389 - The One
"This is a head gum podcast. On this week's episode new medal is alive, and well, it's the one I'm Andrew and Stephen stained God, Chris Cole chamber, Eric the one, and we hate movies. Hello everyone. Welcome to we hate movies. Thanks for tuning in. As always like, I said up top. That's right. We are talking about the one from two thousand one directed by. James Wong regard. His name was also James one. That'd be great one one one should've been Chris corn? No what I'm sorry. I really liked this movie. This was a lot of fun. There's problems with it. But I can't believe there wasn't the to the to the sequel run or one the one colon the two. Shit the bed at the box office. I remember seeing this opening weekend. I like. I'd like to then. Thought for free. Okay. Worked at. You I liked it. Then I liked it now, but I think it failed, and you know, a lot of people. I bet were turned off by this soundtrack. It is Putra. Did did anybody have it on compact disc out there? No, not for people in the room. I know that nobody in the room had this. But you know, people out there every time we make fun of new medal. Sometimes it's like, you know, some of us out there. Lilac new metal up to Eric this past ten. Very important. I thought it was fun. Checking in with some of these songs, again, it's been many moons. Let the bodies floor. Behold, what better than expected? Yeah. His body hit the floor drop dead. It was nice hearing that song outside the context of like Fahrenheit nine eleven. Whatever the fuck else. All those bodies did hit the floor. Here's a cartoon about it. We're using the word great. With Papa Roach. Over spoke their new metal up to it including just about when I got to college and realize that wasn't happening. Oh time to change gears making fun of I would I would never dare. But as well, I got there. And I was like, wait indie. You can listen to music. That's not on the radio. No, one told me that no one told me that everybody that's easy. If you like the depth tones, you got that crossover. Because it was a slippery slope, dude. So you're into deaf tones, and it was like, oh, here's this other stuff. It's like not as good as some of these people might be opening for them. And here you go. Now, you're listening to mud vayne. Enjoy that shirt. So this movie for those who've never seen it or maybe don't remember. This is were gently fights himself due to his self from a multi verse dimension being a self serial killer time, it's time cocked from the other side. Yeah. Yeah. Like from the criminal side of the thing. Yeah. Totally and you have Jason Statham and dill ROY Lindo as the trans dimensional cops who are trying to track them down and Carla Gucci. No as the woman. I am the woman of the movie, I am the sole woman. Well, if you have to have one lady in your movie, I mean gooky knows a good way to go is for sure she's awesome. I just watched that Gerald's game. Oh, man. That one's mental pick your pass out. If you watch it, dude, I did not see that common. And I believe we are both referring to the obnoxious final five minutes of that film. Ono? Oh, I know what you're actually movie goes on way to all of a sudden in a courtroom. And I was like, you know, what where the credits because someone please direct me to the nearest and granite isn't. She also in the haunting of hill house. Absolutely. She's great. She's really. So isn't she in righteous kill? Yes. She is. She's great. And that Eric, and I tried to see that. Everyone's great. And what does he play L Pacino's twin woman? Chino, Robert, deniro and the woman. Got my updated an older lady. She's almost Foty. His P con we're going out tonight. Oh, mercy. So yeah, this movie starts with. I can't recall if I'd ever seen this. It was like a scroll. But only highlights of the narration where this dude is telling us about that multiversity is and how it's restricted to travel between its police do what not? But only certain words are popping up on this green. I felt like I was like in a sales pitch meeting for the future of Gillette something. Yes. This is totally Gillette commercial. You're absolutely right. And but it's talking about the multi verse and how there's balanced, but if you kill people there isn't balance, and and also explodes the only way the multi exists every time a star dies and angel gets a star dies a multi versus formed, right? And we're talking about like, I dunno like celebrities, right? Yes. The two thousand sixteen is real bad. Remember all worried about that? Yeah. That's all multi versus half because all the celebrities died, and I don't even remember which ones I was trying to recited example before. But I couldn't remember any of them, David Bowie, boys. He left the black star behind. Well done. The weird thing is this guy. I don't even know who's doing the voice or what they got a bartender. Just like, well, we need to start this movie. Get that still have British bartender yet get him. Multi verse bar. Like the time cop bar 'cause they're kinda time cops Chris. We need to see them off duty drink the world seems more when we get to the place that is like the station. It seems like it's more of a demolition, man. Yes of look. But that's all we get baby. We're not seeing where this place is kinda world. Why is this the central place four all these multi verse? So in other words, like why is the one that has the enforcement agency the one that is nobody the center of something. Center of the movie like recruited from other dimension. Yeah. One cops from dimension one. Another dudes from dementia, seven necks, and you. Joe with DeVos cops. You've and you've doubled you've landed on twice, I need more monsters and Goupil gut. Yeah. Because that's what's weird because I mean, I think we're sort of dancing around this. But like some of these places appeared to be more technologically advanced yet and others. But yes, it would lead one to believe that there would be monsters stars at somewhere, there's a Delroy Lindo lined when him in state them about the split up for the movie. Like will. You know? I remember what world you come from? And it's like hell world as it's a world of warriors. That's hard to be a God planet. Wish what is this? What is this? Need a fucking flash. Thank you. Also, this is a cynical movies. Every multi has been taken over by Donald Trump's oats on all white all male forces. Power to come into every facet of every. Racist question excuse that's offensive. You know in the moti. I I have a six pack. The Ben garrison universe. Kilby Kilby dead. You would be dead you'd be like the blood in the red wave that he's hoping on one of those political cartoons. Every third person will be at eagle, man. He's tall. He's like tentacles killing his enemies, and I'd still love to shit down his throat after fucking juicy enchiladas. So we start diverse eating juice, absolutely. Galaxy? So the idea is gently has killed all of his other ones. Right. There's like two or three left we or two left actually one. We see the one we spend the movie with right? Is there something one hundred twenty four multi versus water. Is it that because I just feel like if you get into the multi verse universe? It doesn't make sense that I would exist any other planet. Do you know what I mean like the odds that my parents would fuck at the exact same time that they would need to make me in. You know, what I mean if you'd start changing around? Well to be one of the other jet Li's, we are shown has dreadlocks and the other ones blonde. So like, what does that me? Maybe just a lot of the kept taking those photographs jet Li's multi-diverse person was in like bad halloween's. In some like Ralph Naci. Exactly, I think that's why I don't think it's just one hundred twenty four I think there are one hundred and twenty four in which this person exists. So to your point. Yes, there are possibly thousands millions more where his parents did not always weird. Look, what do you go to slide IRS or whatever else where like every single dimension, you exist, which makes no sense what they doing that in sliders were they coming across each other. So let's go all right. What if the changes so slight that, you would exist? Like, oh, you know this dimension. I think this is slide thing the skies green. Yeah. Yes. I remember everything else is exactly the same or. But then there's other ones. Oh, it's the nutsy planet, and I'm nutsy now really like if there's if the Nazis won the war. I am sure that eight will my family would have been radically did. But I am sure that that wouldn't have happened more. I think is going to be a demolition man future where we will together with Dennis Leary. Go underground full of rat burgers. And God knows over burger right now. Fuck that dude. I am eating Taco Bell. I will be up in the sky really taco yet. Do even though they changed it to make it like those little crackers or whatever it is. They were just tiny tacos. And listen, you can just get a bunch of this. Hundred tiny tacos, please. This is very optimistic. You're eating pulled Steve. Curse up there. Either. I'd be executed immediately one hundred Petrie on credits. By tacos. So yeah, we start a prison transfer classic prison transport seen man. I love it. Here's Mike dean Norris up top in this movie. Why is it? Why is it just like a cameo because two thousand one fuck about de Nores total recall? Call of fun. A bunch of movies where nobody gives up to where's your Schrader? Nobody gave flying. I mean. I listen looking back. Now, I wanted more also sure, but you're not getting he's just randomly in the back lethal weapon. Two is one of the people get acute at the end of that movie old. That's their executing people the the South Africans. Okay. Yeah. Dude. Griggs said Murtaugh lining people up. Don't tell anyone. Shoot this man at the back of the skull. We just put this brick wall. All right, Raj. This is the last one you're gonna you you you could shoot this last one. But that is it, and I quit jet Li's in that fourth money. Right. Hugh, distract rates shoot in the back. That's what he does. God. That's right. I'd no idea what you're doing over there. And I was like is this getting races? No gibson. You never know wasn't a curly. So to prison transfer. We see television that shows Al Gore's president, we would President Al Gore man, look at that those CHAD'S didn't fuck us after all so yeah, this is a beautiful planet. I'll actually I think nine eleven still happens on this planet. I feel like it. You know, you would be gore did nine eleven you know, what I mean? Oh, yeah. Well, you know, I got into office. And they were like, well, you just the first things first environmentalism will go through. But you gotta do gotta give us nine eleven. I I would take that. Compare. What you know what? Okay, continue. Because of what we got, you know, the George W Bush universe that we live through Bush did nine eleven we got Jack shit for it. But we're gonna get environmental policy actually implemented in the United States. A little nine eleven wouldn't hurt. So what does this scenario talking the devil? He's like all right. You can you can let nine eleven as long as. As long as. Say, you know, it's it's the Kamal exactly the military-industrial complex. This is all going off that this whole thing was an inside jive. Of course, was that you watch loose change. Excuse me. Excuse me. One of the scariest movies. The closest I came to watching loose change was having this Dudin college. Tell me repeatedly how if you were found coming into the United States with that DVD in your bag. You're getting confiscated and you're getting so you're quoting me. Now the truth. It wasn't you know? It's the truth. Why of course, it's it's it's it's like Frederick Wiseman movies, dry and Erez. You can get you. Wait was on me. Sorry, sir. Sorry, surf you're listening Cunanan voted in the midterm election. I heard that they're all very depressed because they thought he was going to stop the the Dem's from taking the house. So they're all a bit spouse. Other. Why isn't he telling us about the nine eleven that Bush did? Well, no. It's Al Gore gore is huge Al understand which multi multi-diverse the Cunanan people. Andrew cunanan. The followers dude American American crime story cunanan's next season side b s I would love to live in fucking multi-diverse where fucking American horror story was cancer five years ago. Stop seeing those advertisements those will trip. You right out brother? Oh my God. Dude. It's all so extreme. It's all so extreme it's a little too fantastical. I think what's Kyun it key. You. Us you should be American crime story right after this assoiation of Gianni Versace. She can then move into that. Because that's a true crime that he's trying to expose the disappointment of Cunanan. So cute as the guy. Yes. The non is the what he is Q and he's anonymous, my friend way. But would it just be anonymous, then cooler if you call them queuing also there was a group that had taken a non? And I guarantee you that dude found out after he had a ton of stickers brings. Cut off the ominous. I q. Queuing on couldn't afford it the source, so yes, they're transporting gently who in this version of the universe is called lawless one name and he's got a scar. Yeah. And he's like fucking tweaking and stuff. I don't know. I love gently. I think he's great in this movie was weird. Let's weird because I kind of tells lets you know, what's going on because like he's kicking through metal because he's already super strong. Like should we explain like what? Yeah. Yeah. I guess so like the idea is in this in the realm of this film. If you kill another version of yourself, you essentially all the rest of your multi versus get stronger smarter faster. So jet Li's mission is he's going to kill all of himself until he is the titular in the one none of his other versions of himself notice that they are also getting stronger fast it or smarter until this guy shows up to kill them. Well, that we know about because we haven't met any of them while we do beat one chap- coming up, well and gently like the good guy gently in this movie has noticed that he's getting stronger and faster could bend steel before. Honey. When I went to bed last night. Can I crush a brick in my hand? You know, I I'm pretty sure I squished our son in the Pomme my hand. Oh, that's why they don't have. I. Just like you predicted. My question is like so is it does it have to be a multi Vercel murder or like if jet Li has a heart attack in one universe? That's everybody. Get a little spring. I think it's kind of like you're taking some of their essence sort of thing and spreading it around. It's kind of like ravenous except for not true. Yeah, you're right. That is totally based on a true story. Every last part of it down to the Jeffrey Jones. I just like the idea somebody like died of drug overdose. And someone in the multi verse away. Oh, wow. It's gonna be a pretty great day. I think it's if that were true, then people would be getting stronger and smarter. Well, do realize there's a shit ton of me out there. That's what I'm so weak effective cull the her house. All the talk of the death. Every version of you is alive still in all these multi. That's why feel so sick and frail. So we're we're transporting this dude to I guess go be executed. And all of a sudden dean Norris is taking this dude down to the transport and gently gets shot in the fucking face. And right is that bullet hits that helmet? Let the bodies hit the fourth floor starts blaring. Oh my God. And it's this huge shootout. It's fucking awesome. And it's revealed he comes down from the vent, and it's gently in there like hot hot. It's like this movie had seen the matrix before. Yeah. Yeah. We're only we're just two years away the matrix, man. So this makes total solar bullet time in the little bit -solutely all black all the time. That's what I want. That's what I want. I want floating bodies. I don't want like actual physical action and watching bodies actually hitting the ground. Just at the grand right there floor. Sorry, everybody. I don't know. I mean, I I was able to understand that it's like aping the matrix entirely. But at this point in twenty eight teen, I'm I don't give fuck. Go ahead. Stop. Hey, ted. You want to take more time. What have you tried to lower? What if they're inside? These. No what? Doesn't have it doesn't think we should go back to the original version, let the bodies hit the ceiling. That's the real one or let the buddies at the door bodies got places to be. Gotta go to the body sits the chair. The song about someone sitting down just smoking. At the end of million dollar, baby. Or? Oh, my. What a joke nicely or like a poorly time two thousand one sees ad. Look carpet isn't gonna work. It's toll many syllables gotta be one syllable at the buddies at the carpet bodies hit the rug. Let bodies. Do the bodies match the drape? A he is like fucking kicking corpses. Into other people's great because he's like super strong, and everything it's fucking awesome. I got more entertaining. Some of the fight scenes in the later matrix. Definitely this is better than most of the matrix films. One. That's better than that is the one that is better than the other. Just honestly, the image of some dude just kicking a corpse into a bunch of other dudes is awesome. And then he starts running in the street. And then one guys that he's doing fifty it. I'm like, you're in a police car, you can clearly go faster than that step on it. And he jumps and jumps all the way over this thing. And this is where I have a question is Mariotto possibly a multi-diverse talking about Mary Amerio area. Oh, that's why he could just super mareo, brother. He was super because he killed all the other. Yes. I mean, listen, that's real come from Lario is it actually at evil guy. Right. Both equally strong these just fighting to fucking survived. Do that's the thing that he had to bring his beloved brother while Luigi with its ruined world. Everything has smells like Fultz. While a we. Hero. Does he keep on introducing himself? I know he's Mario what? Rastafarian? Mario he killed Swedish. Mario raccoon. Mario whatever the other outfits. He puts on a fog. Oh, yeah. Totally. I would kill that guy. Fuck that shit. Isn't that the swimming one? Of course, it is. Could stripper jump out. Fuck is wrong with you. No, one can also I think he's got some jumping ability. He it was obnoxious because it was hard to make that. Version of him walk. It was always like slow as fuck because yet hopping I would have gotten him, buddy. Ada stop a full. Star. Mario dude. That's it. That's the multi-diverse one. That's gonna he's like the one. I think that's the thing. Mario becomes the one. When he gets the star because they posit this movie like one of a few things could happen. You could either like you would die. If you became the only one left others would be like you would explode. The third option is would what evil jet Li's hoping for is you become a God. Sure. Which you know, risk it. Jet. Li's awesome. He's got to like at some point in the movie is not right here. But he's like trying to defend himself like when he's about to get the chair, and he's like, it's not murder. I'm killing myself. Yeah. How is that? Murder is trying to spin it in front of all these cops Ida question, though about jet Li's career in the early goings early American goings, obviously had very long career is it. Using these really really high concept action scifi or action drama this leaders. That dog movie. Well, okay. Let's. Romeo must die is kind of that way. Just like a gangster movie gangster. Gangster movie. To the grave is also just a gangster movie. This is high concept. Yeah. This is something this this. This John Claude van Damme. Did once high stuff is kissing. The dragon is that the one with Bridget Fonda. Yes. It is where he doesn't. There's a fight scene. And there's a pool table, and he kicks a pocket on the pool table and a ball comes up, and then he like one arm jumps up on the table and kicks the ball in the air and hits the head with it. That's pretty fucking Primo again. But he's just. I've been struck down was that that was your question. Yeah. I memorized remembered this was all mostly high concept, he kind of stuff. Well, he just had like he had that other movie with Jason Statham war. It's just like one of them is an FBI any of these this one these were all around this. This went to like two thousand eight two thousand. Yeah. I think he's really good in this. This is probably his best. Oh for sure for American stuff. Yeah. I mean, he wasn't hero. Right. Yeah. I'm aware. Okay. I'm just saying that American stuff that's something. I know him from. Chinese hero or any of the one to kiss. I mean like. Here's a good movie. I was trying to look like he's in a black mask and ninety six. Do you think when if gently got married he would invite the next to the wedding or no? Probably. Yeah. I think so. Up in here. Into officiate. I want him to learn all that shit. I'm looking at his I'm db page apparently. Gently mummy tomb of the dragon emperor. Yes, which I was not aware. I never saw movies kicking right in this live action Moulana them. That's interesting. That's something. So yeah. Long story short. I mean, they have a big fight state them and Delroy Lindo show up as the the multiplex cops take him down. Then we go down to Grand Central station. And the weird thing is like so the only way you can jump multi versus when a star dies. Well, have to wait for it the time. No the time Cup people can just like. Yeah. That's what they're doing when they're sending him to the prison planet. I thought it was. A prison planet. Base. Sending us jet Li he's fighting gobs magin my shot. No, it's like they have a little thing. And the timer is like all right. Get ready to slide. No. It's a forecast of when stars Diam almost positive. This is correct. Ultimately match here. Here's another thing. Steve why really doesn't make any sense because it seems like the only way you could really control it enough to get to all these other multiversity is if every single time he had been arrested foiled them. Yeah. And in in the chair and go went to where he want to. So this would have been a hundred twenty odd time. Yeah. Where he had been arrested out. Just execute him. Don't want to execute it because that would make the other jet lead the one. Oh, and that might never know it'll kill them both at the same time. Turn a key for that. Turn like a knife in both their heads and say just if you go over one hundred up more than one hundred just kill them all on a prison planet catch the name of that prison a Haiti eighties. Stupid that they don't like why doesn't like there's no way to do Dopp. Yeah. Another dimension. No. So how each Raveling beaming and stuff, right? Don't they get beamed out by the Nova corps? Every time we see him traveling is he botches like well hops from sending him to jail. Do it at some. Think is we're told that he is an ex verse cop. So I think the ideas he might have one of those devices using it he's using his state issue. Transmitter times the Cup turned out to be a criminal. I was just confused because I was this. This whole unit was just incompetence. I get it. So like the first one hundred twenty two times he killed someone. They like let him go. They suspended him. They like this guy might be the one. Oh, he's just murdering people just until the dreadlocks. He was the one who was keeping me together was going to be the one that guy deserved death swift death two things about that. Chase really quickly. Please to awesome details. One. He's running down the street, and we're filming in LA. There is a billboard to just put this so perfectly those when there is a billboard for coming soon. One night at McColl's. Remember that? Runs right by one night McCall's billboard. And then also there's a fucking great thing where like he runs in front of some cars, and there's like a like a like a burgundy Mustang or something like that. And the car sort of quickly turns a little stunt move. And you can see the stunt driver. And in his just clearly a fucking, dude. Stunt driver, wearing a lady blonde. Kids in the hall sketch, the funniest stunt driver getting caught on camera ever just making a guy wearing this lady wig. It looks terrible. And it is hilarious. He said we go to this multiversity. He gets arrested really quickly. He's in jail Delroy Lindo dislike at least to be partners, obviously. And like big time. That's why Delroy Lindo is taking the so personally, and they're about to execute not asking banish them to the Haiti's planet, and they treat it like an execution. Does this whole theater of people that show there's an audience, which I was pretty pleased disea- space delegates of some kind. I don't know who these people are supposed to be who they look like they reminded me of when we're in the future parts and Bill and Ted movie. Exactly like, they're closer. Just a little weird looking and like they've got like Star Trek hairdos. Yes. I vote no confidence. Fuck that do del right? Lindo is one of the greats. Chancellor, linda. I just mean him as an actor this bad cop? You should have slipped at a couple of globs of this. Gimme like Baraka looking dude yet, there would be dimensions. Where there's just there's other dimensions. Where like aliens have come to earth? And they've been like, oh, they're not fucking horrible little beings. Let's go say hi guy with Gilles. Yeah. About that something as simple as that. Adapted. Oh, yeah. Attending an execution. Could you please tell that guy to shut up? I know he's a kid. I know I don't know why he has the phone finger. I don't know where he got it. Lady. He's putting my kids through college. Guys, go down. Dimension here you. Just please just tell them in the hallway. But one person who picked to one guy shows up is the woman Gena shows up. She got a bad red wig on Jesus Christ. This is awesome. I was criticizing that stunt driver. Now, I don't know. But as she sits down, and it's the most insane thing this movie is a lot at all times. Literally every scene is a lot this what you're about to talk about though is a lot. But it might be so much more depending upon what you've noticed here. So please go ahead. She sits down, and she uses some sort of super shoe that she's where fucking get smart. It is there's a mouse inside of her incredibly high heel, white mass crawls out and explodes. Okay. I noticed it. This. This mouse has huge. Okay. I I did not wear the mouse ball. Yes, you're right. There's things coming out of it. Because it's got like a little antennas to there's a massive fucking ball. Ball. And this mouse is just like. Walk in this execution. Jaber? These fucking Sechet testicle will come to know, those balls as explosive. Just packed with like looney tunes. Dynamite of. All right. So there's a lot of questions, you're clearly crying. A lot of questions. How is this? I assume she's doing it to beat like. An x Ray machine or something or or a metal detector Scher? Good. I don't they. Dudes doing like a one to her. But like you would demus has fucking shit. That would still go off just go off a little bit last or something close enough to the feet. Oh, oh, it's just a little mouse. So that's. Those shoes back into yet. I'm really into the seventies disco like the fucking goldfish shoes. Oh, the poor lady. She's just she's just lonely. The mouse their helper therapy mouse. Yes, I did. He'll step on it whenever I'm angry. Russia. Look at those. I can't believe because to do. I did now that you said it, it it triggered a memory in my mind, I had to watch this day over a day ago. So I forgot. This little red balls. And I want everyone on the honor system. I want everyone on the honest. Right right into we all hate movies that you dot com. If you if you notice the mouse balls when you watch this movie prior to this and being on the artist of isn't only I just want an Email that just says, yes, I just one word. Yes. And I will. Subject line is. Yes, the body of your Email, right? Big ball. Okay. Then we go. Could we move this to Twitter? Okay. All right. All right. I don't need the inbox clogged with that show. WHM podcast. Yes. Oh, yeah. Do do a popular hashtag. So that it could trend. What would be good big balls? Yes. Hashtag big walls. Yes. Okay. Doing hash big balls yet balls. I won't that trending in every continent on this guy. It'd be less people doing it. You think so? Okay. Then let's also say if you did balls. No. There we go hashtag big walls. Yes. You have to watch the movie the one, and then it was no do yourself a favor and go back and look at it is you guys are just trying to divide this country. Do yourself a favor. Go back and look their balls. Crats are going to try to tell you those balls there Kristie thing we should do like a neutral option as well. Yeah. Big ball's. Yes. Big balls abstained. Okay. Yeah. Like it. There we go. Now. Thank God, we figured this out. And by the way voting is mandatory, I want everyone listening to this tweet balls. Upstate exactly no, I want all three of these to be trending in the United States. Okay. So, but like the mouse explodes. And when message just an explode. It's a great musical cue. Oh, my ooh. Dude. What the fuck what the fuck? Gotta get out. The sickness is so horrible. It is so horrible lack is that the rat explode. Feel is ball. All right. Tony. We're gonna go here. All right. Maybe maybe maybe. Oh my God. My balls. Let's leave it in the trash. What was worse was that happened? And I was like, oh, what was the song again, and it gets a little bit further along. Yeah. And I was like fucking great. This song is awful. And then things were only made worse when I remembered the goddamn Richard cheese and against the machine gover-. I forgot which is featured in that Zach Snyder, Donna the dead remai-. No come on get down with the sickness. Selley disturbed like that that I'm listening to Richard cheese on the way home. Settled. I'll also so stay them, by the way, his character's name is fun. Oh, Steve say with a little musical interlude year. Oh. Is this is this song? Here's channel turned up into the microphone. Intro. Got a build up going. The MTV video music awards dysfunctions as. Good. Good. Complain music on this show now because this would. The court progress. Thumbs up around. Did you have this CD? No, I didn't. I never went that far. Gets bad. This is saying word. Rack noises could stop. I don't know if you know this. Could you stop? Could you not play that song? I kind of finished for not hearing. Can we talk about what it looks like when they travel through dementia quite disturbing ripped up. It's kind of like I was thinking like when the early days of like in the world of Star Trek, the early days of experimenting with like transporter technology, quite there yet, and it just people getting fucking painfully torn apart this hurts every single time. They jumped they're like temporarily. Paralyzed Delroy Lindo is sweating store. We'll it's weird because I think the more you do it the more you get used to it because like Jason state than the rookie. And he's throwing up practical guys in the back guts out. A lot of fun. I wouldn't want to do this ever. I dunno jet Li seems like a lot in a lot of pain. Although I don't know I feel like there would have to be like a big like opioid epidemic. Then everybody's doing this, right? No, no. You're not allowed to it's against the law. But they're all doing it. Because they're cops to opioids. Okay. Let's go to stop. It's like when you're when you see a cop just put his lights on skip a couple of lights. Yeah. Like that. But it's diverse. Same thing. But it's your your under something Chris because they never really hash out like who discovered. It what they use it for is there practically Cochran, right? I mean, is it how many time criminals are there or universe criminal tons? I mean, aside here's my question aside from actually doing the thing that jet Li is doing there's no benefit to to like what cry like, it's not like, you know, it's not like time travel. You can go back in time. And you've got a real gun or new supergun? I mean, you go to another dimension in like, I don't know borrow a kidney from one of your other sounds or you kill like a successful version of okay? I could see where Univer loser. Like if you were a member of the confederate states of America, Nazi Germany. Sure, you slip into another plate of existence. You're killing and taking over there exists. Sure. Or just do just living your life. But also what doesn't make. I don't think there can be this like casual jumping through dimensions because you need this whole fucking setup. Yeah. Chair which is very expensive movie should probably have told you. I mean, the fact that this is a stab list like someone advanced science to get us to this point. Or like if you belong down the wrong, but you've gotta hit. The loss like shoot you into another multi. Well, that's what I'm saying. I wish that that lazy ass half scroll at the beginning of the movie. Pepper up to conversation. Fair enough. Oh, that's just voice. Now. This is how I sound. I just wish that like this intro sort of anything else, or if this movie started at like the start of that like the start of the advent of this technology, and how much would you have to give you an hawking back in the day to to do this movie. The narrator play the one God. Yes. Or you could just get like a, computer. Smart. I'm smart enough. I've killed all my other selves. And I'm still smart. I was born the one. No, there's like me. I do agree that there should I do think there should be like con air rogues gallery of pass. Universe fucking cry. If you kill five yourself just doing pretty good. Now, the the strongest wrestler in America best boxer something like that. But I do also at the same time. I appreciate that. This movie starts kind of at the end of this crime spree. Because it sort of feels like a sequel Oma. Yes, it does 'cause like Delroy Lindo and gently have this whole past, but we're just kind of like mentioned a little bit. There is the montage of all his fucking hilarious wigs because what they do right before the rats testicles explode. They have their like showing him like his roster of cry. Yes. I guess it's also for the audience, that's in attendance. So can be filled in on everything. Oh, that guy's where it away 'cause they're just going through this little slide show of all these different ideas. I this was murder one Twenty-one surfer dude version of does anyone else smell a mouse? But the weird thing is look does balls. Oh, yeah. He's only being tried for the other ones of him. He's getting killed not for d Norris. Not for the rest of those cops and likely thousands of other people in these other university killing other people is obviously find it's perfectly. It's a warded in this dimension. We live in. Yes. Yes. So it stands to reason that these multi verse cops are okay with it. But if you're killing your other versions yourself to gain powers, that's the problem. I don't want like a master wizard out like gas station. Dean Norris, just gotta fucking, you know, skipping step. Yeah. Day. Oh, it's just he got like he was at work, and he just got a random erections go look at this. It's two thirty in the afternoon. Coming home, four hours or more. You might be the one. So he goes he VAT evaluates after this after the explosion. And like alright, Linda just know we left by the way, Jason state them and his hair in this crappy seeing this guy with hair unsettling somebody. This was before somebody was like state them. Just give it up. You gotta stop with the crowd rock. Look it looks. He looks like when a baby has air like, you know, what I mean? Go baby just gets hair. Like, that's like a ball, dude. When it's like, it's over battle is over with. I'm the baby. Now, I can't do a Jason state them. I don't have Jason statement Jason movie. His accent is all over the blood. This is trying to do an American. I couldn't tell he's trying to flatten it out. But every time he gets excited. It just comes running back. You quench too early. Flan out that Tang a little bit more. It's gotta warp. It is really bad and also who gives a shit like just make your. Here. Like, maybe you're from a dimension where America laws the revolution. A bunch of fucking British Sammy people live here that sounds great. Yeah. Right. If that happened. We'd have universal healthcare. Totally well coming up, actually, we're about to have universal rights. Yes. He goes to this other dimension and like states where did he go, Ed? Like, there's only one place he could go, which is the last of the dimensions. Right. We cut to. It's actually the same prison transfer from the beginning of the movie, and instead of Al Gore on the television. It's George W Bush, but he's introducing a Bill for universal health care. Which is I'm pretty sure this time line universities. Eventually, whatever is supposed to be ours was like what was this wishful thinking the fuck was just slightly different. Like, there's this one where Bush did universal healthcare. And then the one we live in where Bush did nine eleven. Those are the only difference nine eleven didn't happen in the universal health care. Bush didn't wanna do it. And it's crazy dude right down to he was visiting a classroom in Florida. Somebody came in these reading a book to kids and somebody came in. And they were like Mr President universal healthcare is kinda pass. And then he sat there for like ten minutes pretending to read a book to kids hail happy to unite America got two options. Two different ways to do this. Okay. Yeah. I did it. Hell. Yeah. Killed or not. Did it? I did it. New from Random House. This fall, George W Bush. If I did it. Like, yeah. Also. So now in this prison. Jet Li is de Norris. Yes. And in the place of prisoner Lee is rotten Ronnie. Who is in the credits. Because he's dragged talking about he's like an informant. That's why they're taking. All the dudes are screaming fuck rot rowdy. Get you. The chain. A double dragon. He'd never showers rotten. Ronnie granny Oray know exactly, yes, he's a fucking, you know, shock jock nothing, but megadeath and prog rock, absolutely. I could go at the pride rock not sure about the megadeath. You just want to camel station. I think all sure that's good stuff, man. But yes, the same transport situation. A dude Hoxha knife at rotten wrong and gently catches it. Which was pretty sweet he's like the to. They're the two at this point. Right. You're right. Be a prequel. Yes. The one two colon the two parentheses. The movie the one three would be the one when there's three laugh. Oh, yeah. You just go backwards into one hundred twenty three of these moving three wasn't someone working on a bed screen adaptation. Is that what it's three? Donald Kaufman wrote the three which was the third prequel. That's what happens in adept at the end spoiler for adaptation twenty year old movie. Eighteen almost when Donald dies Charlie actually, gets finishes his screenplay against all this confidence. That's because Donald was an alternate. Universe died. Charlie became more powerful sixteen year old sixty okay? That is so true. And then when when Chris Cooper dies the other Chris could forget his teeth. One of my favorite lines that movie is which was. Cooper the fucking car crash. Turns out to be like, his wife and his mother. But imagine if it was other Chris Cooper. Chris for our Chris Cooper's. Tell me to not surprise. Oh, yeah. The Nazi played guy from American Beauty. I'll man, you know, now, I just want to rewatch adaptation. So the whole assault thing happens again, gently gets shot. Yeah. And he's taken to the hospital. And now this was a weird thing though, because I wasn't remembering this movie at all. And it's like gently gets shy forgot the one. I know hold off shocking. I know so it gets shot. And it's like, oh, we gotta take him in the hospital or whatever then we cut and gently shows up at his house. Carla gooky knows like racing out the door to go to the hospital there, and I was thinking, oh, here's the phony guy. Oh, yeah. You know? That's exactly what where's John? I thought it was that. But it's not he just left the hospital on his own accord randomly and didn't tell anybody. But it's like it's a weird bit of editing in the film. Yes. You don't know what's going on. I totally thought that it was supposed to be the bag to show you that. He's so powerful. Now that even getting shot with the book prevents. Oh, I see. Yeah. Good movies. We are we to believe that there's healing ability. Probably right. If you're the one of the two or three. The wolf. Like open a door and takes the whole door all stuff like that. It happened. Again, Honey broke another door. Look, I know I need a special kind of insurance as what I need. So that if I just take the door off every day. Hey, poppy, Cheney said universal healthcare is not gonna fly. I gotta do the other one. All right. Just remember you gonna be taken a lot of hate for this one. Make sure mean your dear old Ma visiting town that day. Dude, egged it on he egg. He didn't like that today. He didn't that's got Wien on them. Yeah. Yeah. I wanna live in the I wanna live in the multi verse where like Saddam lived. I say that because like people Americans would be ally. You want to be living under him or like under him? Yes. Like he's on top. We're going ahead it. Yes. That too. Yes. You're going at it. Rat. Guys, and Eric, Saddam. Hot and heavy these days live under Saddam Hussein than under current. Yeah. What's that said? That's he's got rap ball. Give him that he comes at you. He comes at you. Now, what do you think about? Got little mouse, bows, Deere's. Got this Manila envelope from the CIA the boys at the CIA say Dom got these big rat ball. How am I supposed to compete with that? Going to have to go into to ground. Moore's one for each rat ball bar. So he. Carly Aquinas like you'd have to go to the hospital. They go to the hospital a bunch of cop buddies or their this is where I'm like get d Norris. Let it be one of these guys. He had a talking role in in a big sci-fi move. Yeah. I don't understand it. Because all of these other dudes, Joe buddy stuntman. There's a guy who got a lot of coattails for looking exactly exander Berkeley. Yeah. The main guy the main other cop? Like he'd just like was on twenty four because and Berkeley used to be on twenty. Oh, that's weird. Wait, which are you talking to maintain the gray haired grey haired? Bobby, Bobby, Bobby? So gently is getting a cat scares get an MRI, and this is the single rudest MRI technician I've ever fucking see this woman, who's like, you know, take off your rings boiled, like do everything and like Carla GI knows character set woman. Yeah did recognize. James Wong, actually was an X files guy. Take time. Yeah. Big big experts episode with all the different clones of Murph eve eve six that's six comes from. Yeah. My heart into peace. Oh, that's a put my tender heart and a blend. It's been round to a beautiful oblivion rendezvous, then I'm through with you that is eve six right? Yeah. Terrific. No. But this woman is like all Carla gooky. No does is give gently a hug like. All. Right. I'll see you after the procedure. She's just like. You know, it's just an MRI. You're not having open heart surgery. And I was like do you wanna wait the fuck outside lady lady? This is how I find out if I have cancer. Maybe open heart surgery. It's just a single rudest thing that does not need to exist in that Muneer, but you know, trying to get disturbed going again. This bear us copyright law review. And I'm saying just songs actually is good. Good song and good video. What was on? When Hollywood for some reason, you're watching it. Yeah. Oh shit. Did you Madge? You I'll send Hollywood. Dot com. Okay. If you play more of that, we're going to get a CD drop CND this guy rat ball's gonna give me a C N B for plan. Namesake's just gonna have to. Just kind of have to become a new radicals man their bar. I'm not getting any of that. I'm dead. They're both dead. But he's not my lives. He's just it's the envy of the rat balls that keeps them alive. Bitter and the rat. But so all he's in the. Other evil jet Li shows up, right? Kills a bunch of people. It's a fun. This is when they kind of meet each other. And even at this point Gabe is good gently, so right, so good gently is Gabe law. Bad jet. Li's you law which sounded a lot like you'll log, and I was kinda chuckling Jude law fit into all this. Gets his legs like shortened or whatever that Gada. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, Gatica it's Gatica. There's a Gatica multi verse. Planet. Gada he gently would only get like half a hit him. So there's a weird moment where like gently good gently so Gabe walks out in the hallway the cops are there. And they're like, oh, hey, man. You know, maybe you should get back in there. What's going on any kind of has like a little bit of a freakout, and like gently beats these dudes up like it's kind of this nicely choreographed. Like, he handcuffs all these guys. Yeah. Using martial arts. But like friendly. Yeah. And there's a did you notice this moment? I don't know what it is. I think it's someone throws a gun like he disarm somebody and tosses a gun and it hits a perfectly placed Pepsi machine. These beautiful glistening, Pepsi cans just start shooting out of it like fucking maximum overdrive. Why Pepsi one existed? Oh, yeah. Of this movie, probably Pepsi killed like crystal Pepsi and gained the power. We do. You know, crystal Pepsi's back bought a bottle at the store data so long as they keep Pepsi jazz out of circulation is that it was a it was a bottle of you'd swigged it really quickly. You got a crippling a heroin addict, say the only American soda, art form. Pepsi jazz cinnamon in it. Holiday holiday, Pepsi was discussed Pepsi jazz is what's what killed John Coltrane? Pepsi jazz did exist it tasted like there was like cinnamon and spice in it. Yes. That doesn't make sense. Why would someone drink that prove that there is no God, Pepsi was invented? Because God doesn't exist. Auto completes to Pepsi jazz for sale. Oh my God. I hope the internet selling it two thousand six discontinue in two thousand nine that's gonna say cost two thousand six. Pepsi jazz. Okay. There are three different kinds. Don't you? Love this podcast. There were three different codes of failed jazz with black cherry and French vanilla jazz with strawberries and cream caramel cream. Did it kill a bunch of people is that why it's off the market. Laryea was not great. Soda. So disgust list of fatalities that's to kill count zero. So. Jazz for sale EBay going on this podcast. Well, let us let us know what you find so gently bad jet Li escapes, and he's like driving can five dollars again. Cat. We'll get we'll get the company card out after the seven dollars shipping. Fuck that's how they get twelve bucks for Canada, Pepsi jazz. But it's from two thousand six oh two thousand six. Okay. You only get like a mild al-serr a week's worth of diarrhea. So of he escapes, and well we'd have to. We have to mention the most important cameo in the film. It's just the Canaan. Focus. Nobody cares. No screens rule out. No fucking more YouTube for you know, fucking EBay for this. Ebay podcast. First of all those bits kinda killed. No, the most the film. No bidders on. Ebay. We go to the morgue, and we see this shot of a body bag zips and the coroners are bickering and one is just some dude. Yeah. Mark bordered from fucking American movie worst part of this film. I have no idea why they're talking about the Tobin Horno, Mark borsch arts like Boorda's, lesbian, porn. And then there's like this transphobic slur that gets come. Here's the play by play of this able to do from their conversation. And it's a conversation between two of the dumbest characters ever to hit cinema. Mark board treads character is saying that he can only watch like solo play. And the and the guy is basically like, well, why wouldn't you wanna watch fucking and these because you gotta see Dicks when there's fucking oh can Mark Borchert's. Character does not wanna see Dick's sure. And then he says, so I don't wanna see Dick's. And also, I'm tired of all that girl on girl shit to which this other dude. Then goes, why don't you get these? And it's trans slurred from here to the cows, come home. And you're just like why is this just to pay extra problem with this this movie? I don't get it this movie kicks frigging. Yes. For that part. And then there's random other parts that are also like homophobic, and otherwise very of its time there's going through like the dimensions when they're talking to Gabe, and Jason states one dimension, your Mary, do it. Like, it's fucking nightmare scenario, gently just goes, hey. What? That back. You can't even entertain the idea that you fight be K. Yeah. Like happily buried. What is wrong with that? It's a baseball. That's fine. But another guy wait why? It's just like it's supposed to be a joke. Exactly, it's all punchline. The biggest acting appearance by the way this and then a bunch of like crappy crappy Z level dealers DVD movies partner, America. Forrest gump. I van the shot Gaiger. Going to go on a moon. So let's actually he's he's Mark portrayed is in a movie that I liked the Jeffrey Dahmer file. Oh, real you've never seen the Jeffrey. Holy shit. Was he play victim number five man with glasses. There you go. Walk into that one man, Steve that's a that's a movie for you. Anyway, cabin fever to Springfield. That's probably the second. Biggest movies? I. Yeah. I think you're totally right. Yeah. Because we're looking at like a short call zombie island, the godfather of Green Bay. No. But you know, what that guy there's a part in American movie where he's drunk. I think it's on it's Super Bowl Sunday drunk, and he's like it is. I'm not going to be like one of these fucking assholes working in a fuck could factory my whole life, and it's all the rage about working in factories. No, he didn't he worked in one day, man. I'm gonna do transphobic slurs at a gently into dimensional movie, man. And wow, how prescient was he though because that was like a year after Kovin was really over thousand dude. I'm I'm going to work with producer. He li- Roth. That's gonna happen to me to be directing it or nothing, but he'll stop by. I'm going to be at a big lunch with e liar off one day because American movie was nineteen ninety nine. So you know, he's sort of hit him out. I saw that movie though on newer movies. Fucking awesome. Crazy 'cause I was drinking all those third with uncle Larry. And I was like why are they using translators? The FARC was that Mark having an acid flashback? But apparently it was a multi verse. Do you think that every time I haven't acid flashback I enter? I looked at myself couple other multi versus somebody I on. Are you telling me, I don't talk like this? Welcome to the multi. Mike shrank? I'm you from the other multi-diverse lookout physically fit, man. I just drink water. Don't have acid for. No. But I have this luscious locks. Larry dead there too. Killed him. Kovin has grossed four hundred billion dollars. It's like avatar. Four sequels just came off the shoot for. Five. New into James Cameron. He seems. How do I say I? Oh, better movie. Not by a lot. Still pretty good on it. So so yeah, Jason confronts. Good jet Li starts telling them about all these different things and like gently even though like she can bend steel, and this guy has a super gun and all this stuff and looks like Jason stadium. He's like, yeah. That's not real the gap bull s that you're married to a man what? Well, that must be true. Then because by would you just make that up? Why would you make up something so vicious? It's weird. Because like once jet Li is sold on the whole thing this movie, first of all it is only eighty seven minutes. So it's fine. But like once jet Li's character gets sold on the situation. And we're like teaming up Delroy Lindo gets murdered at some point. So well, that's when he's fucking with bad jet Li and bad gently is going through the local radio station. Oh, this is another great way. Get your YouTube. A big no on the temptations of big no on Aretha Franklin a big no on a lot of other stuff than finally fucking drowning pool again their second seek their single nice. No one remembers. Nobody remembers. Time I could not place it when they were playing in the like is this like this is like a down tempo. Papa roach. Alien ant farm for a second. Oh, that's. There. What's missing from this equation? You know, in my universe alien ant. Farm lasted, you know, alien end farm turned out to be bigger than Michael Jackson. Oh, the irony. Into mo-. Indie bands, though, like you to I got to get out of this acid. Please wear off. I never thought I would beg that. But where of acid? Bring me back to my surge. Refrigerator? I gotta tell you, man. It's a good thanksgiving lunch. American movie because parts of it take place in the thanksgiving. Well, thanksgiving NS super. Everything in that. It's got it all urged thanksgiving uncle, Larry. It's all there is actually layer of ever uncle something that guy he's dropping his entire life savings that he got from probably working out of fucking factory. Thanks giving. No, it's it's the Super Bowl. Well, Mike's going up to the house, you know, I just one fifty bucks off lotto. But I'm not gonna tell these guys that because they're gonna ask me for that money. Slice file on his face that he wants fifty bucks off lot of that movie. Rules. I love is. So thanksgiving on black Friday. If you follow us on Twitter. Oh, there will be a major announcement. Good call at WHM podcasts. That's the Twitter. It's going to be about that theme onto about December. We're gonna tell you a big announcements us just doing six different episodes on American. Also fall Twitter. Follow our Twitter. Follow Twitter in general. No, no, don't be one of those guys that log onto Twitter that follows at Twitter. Hey. The one account. That's all I need. That'll tell me, what's what just re tweeted something about the election. Hold on. It says, Nazis are okay. So anyway to your point after this happens this movement. Yeah. Movies almost over with pretty much like like things start heating up. And I was like this kind of feels like the end of the movie that put up the display, and I was like, oh, this is the end of the movie because the next scene is a Delroy Lindo gets killed after this radio sequence just gets kind of. It's it's actually not a great death. I kinda wanna good one for him. Yeah. It's not a great death. But it's it's leads into an awesome scene. And I have to correct myself on the air because it was that. I was missed remembering. Oh, please. So he kills dill right Lindo. And there's a fuck. Well, I think he snaps. No he snaps. His foot like oh. Down on the. Oh, right on the. Oh, that's good week. But there's a there's an awesome moment where like like Delroy Lindo goes to punch gently and gently sticks his chin down, and like basically holds Delroy fist between his chin and chest doing it. So hard that he's hurting him pretty bad ass move. So he kills him. And then. And then pulls up and he's like, hey, what's going on here? And he sees Delroy debt on the ground. And he pulls out whatever there's these two motorcycle cops come up, and this is where gently is fucking swinging motorcycles people, and I remembered it as he hit himself motorcycle. But he beats up these three cops with the motorcycles, including the last guy that he fucking sandwiches like marching band symbol throws places. Doug savant, how this for no reason. Again, make him one of the other guys case he's an extra as a featured extra by motorcycle. No just has crushed. I guess that's the sequences amazing by the way, just because it's not enough just to knock these guys off their motorcycle. Then he like kicks them made air. Yes. Then grabs the fucking motorcycles starts beating them with the go ahead. This is checkoffs motorcycle. Though, the end of this should be jet Li and gently sword fighting with motorcycles that would be fucking. The sick. Actually also sword fighting should be incorporated because we're talking about how there might just be one. Yes. Sure. And that's just. Highlander? That's all swords. Right. And then say matter by the same space intertwined. Yes. That's a good point. Actually, there's no quick innings in this. When I quick. He like flexes that's the quicken. Arches his back. I need the first guy to die a huge quickening happen. Yeah. I mean, you know, then. Oh, good. If that movie had no quickening. I've got no case. I went to see the one they were like, oh, they're ripping off your movie Christopher, and I said, okay, I'll go see the matinee. I don't want to spend too much. You know, we did the two guys fighting. First one. Different band. Danna went in with my should I sued them checklist. And I didn't get the take a single bar. I had the quickening. No swords. No, pony tail. No charming laugh. No. No. To tell me to have any groups. Favorite snack? Guba? Listen, I'm telling you. I'm returning my ticket because I didn't enjoy the movie those people exist, and they should be jailed checklist. It's empty. I have anything on the checklist. Yes. Then I would give the movie a cut of the profits. How about sneak into zoo? Supposed to be. So, but yeah, my sergeant. These guys know lottery ticket back pocket with fifty dollars. I won't work in factory. Oh fuck. So so good, gently goes home. Carla gooky, no is murdered by evil gently right here, and that's pretty much like Gabe is like, well, I have nothing left to live for might as well. Join up with this dude who sometimes has an English accent event in his house. It's diehard that he's like sneaking out of kind of. It's like attic crawlspace. And like, you know, he's know good thinks he's the good jet Li. But then she kind of realizes he's not. And then she like does this slick actually is in the movie like, oh, you know, when we met in that bookstore never would've to come to this. And he's like, yes. That was a crazy books. We didn't move meeting the bookstore, you idiot. Yeah. Which also I feel like she should like knowing that this dude is evil. Yeah. Yes. She shouldn't call that out. Be like, yes. The bookstore was beautiful. Exactly. I'll shoot up or you start firing. Yeah. So she gets murdered. I think he stabs. Shoots her in the chest or the back. Okay. All right because she's getting the other handgun out of blank. Yeah. And he's look and other gently could only watch from right? Yeah. Now, it's very tragic, and at this point he meets Jason state that when they're like, all right. The movie's gonna end pretty soon bum. It said the alright coup. Let's just stop off with the gap. Get your yellow tee-shirt real quick because it's getting a little confused at your both wear black jackets. Well, the wearing the same outfit because the black jacket shirt. And that is a problem that makes sense for like bad jet lead it to you know, all this guy. You don't want to be good like this is like this is like semiotics wanna one dude like good, gently should be wearing a white t shirt and bad gently just take off your shirt completely or that. Just bare chest totally just cut you. No, it's you. Yes. A state like explains every we'd we need a signal. I'll say lemon tree. No tippy toe tippy toe. It went patch. It went patch. I'm sorry. No. So he just explains everything gently is totally I'm bored, and then he's like shit stop and get some guests, and they pull over and it's like this universe's Delroy Lindo was working at this gas station. Sure. And what is the reason why gently kicks over this lamppost? I don't remember necessarily because like jet gently just kicks this land falls over into the parking lot. And Delroy Lindo comes out like what the fuck are you doing to my store? He's morning cartilage. Bad about listen guys when I'm inevitably murdered. I want you to kick over some lampposts for me. But that once. I'd probably just kick over your casket fucking body fell out. Dude. I can think about Brian O'Halloran saying body fell out any time of year, and I will start laughing one of the greatest deliveries of all time. Yes, we runs the gas stations. He's like I'm gonna go. Call the police, and this is the dumbest thing like stay thin knows that del Rey Lindo is dead at this point partner. Del Rey, Linda, so he goes up to this guy who is technically at total stranger. Make any sense to you. But see only opportunity I'm going to have to say it. Thank you said straighten me out. I was on the wrong path. And then you made me on the right path. Saw. Thank you. And this dude's just like, yeah, I'm calling. I don't know what you're thinking. Four. I know do you want to put the gun down? You're talking little crazy here. So what is by the way, there's a detail here. Very important. What is this little anal beathy Delroy Lindo has? It's. Right. It's just it's just a bomb. If thoughts anchor like like, I was kind of anticlimactic 'cause he's got this. And then like Jason state than knows where he is. Okay. When wouldn't state them sets it off? In the final battle here. What was that? Big green wave that comes out of those afar. Fucking it in this town. How do they this was something I missed because I think it was like a blink. And you miss it cut. How do they get from the gas station two this? Terminator two factory movie. Stay or move is of a better get to affect tree. Action movie, we better get to it makes no sense. I think that's where like, but. No, I think that there are certain wormholes that you have to get to the location where the jumps going to happen. Yes. I see. And that's kind of makes you always put those in factor. Oh, yeah. Every abandoned course just put that in Sephora. Although it would be pretty awesome. If they had to fight over a bunch of cosmetics, and then like this fucking wormhole opened up. So they're about to fight Jeff forty dollars for lipstick. He gently in good. It's probably a bargain. I bet. I dunno cosmetics, prices evil, gently and good jelly. You're gonna find. But evil jet Li is like all right. You know, what I'm gonna just to make this easier for the audience. I wanna take my black jacket off. By a different t shirt. You know what? I mean. Just strip naked your your adversary is wearing clothing, you should not look, it's just the two of you. You're the same person shirts and skins. Nobody's going to be embarrassed. You know, what you got going on down there? You want seen if before? Goldies? Get down. Bloody Saddam Hussein. But this is pretty great because they're just unlike this little iron gate, walk situation, gently takes bad gently takes his jacket off and ties it around his waist like it's nineteen ninety four. And then it's kinda just like when you're playing mortal Kombat and both of you pick sub zero. It's just like one person is like a slightly different shade of blue. And. It check Mark. I can't. It's stretching. Windy. Okay. You know, what putting that on the lightning? That's mine. That way I have rat ball. I bet go check bents. I'll tell you who lamb bears got a case against by the way, Henry Cavill, fucking Witcher pro yet to Jesus Christ. That's just raid in up and down. Don't worry. I'm aware of it. I'm waiting to see if anybody games. -pointment at home on the date. Booze on Netflix popcorn. I have plenty of time for binge-watching plenty of died. Keen teens? I need the work. But I would rather be acting. He should be in one of these fantasy series. What do we do? We get them in the game of thrones prequel series that. Naomi watts. Yes. Is that a series or is it a motion picture? I believe. Yeah. And it's just the one are we doing multiple things. It's just the one. I think they did co current pilots, and this is the one that picked. Oh, see 'cause you know, who's getting the shaft anybody in two thousand eighteen who's still gives us shit about the Walking Dead. Oh, yeah. This Rick Grimes information is the food on east fucking thing. What did you hear this? Breaking bad bullshit. New too. Raking bed motion picture starring who Aaron Paul shrug. So it's just Jesse pink main post series. What's working at burger hairs? Who cares? It's Chris cabin saying that for two hours. It's just Chris. You can't see the TV. It's just you see Chris watching something you'll never act saying fucking end you bastards. So if you can have the Cran man doing anything, what are we doing fuck and like a ghost ghost? Yeah. All right, actually, blue glow is because of. If you take this into the paranormal, and it's just like men. Sided with Walter white the ghost. Okay, I'll take. That's totally fine. Okay. Bitch. I'm gonna get this billion dollars. I spend the night. Walter White's old haunted house. They're still a pizza in the room. Well, Hello Jessie. Why listen that's the thing. Because I know whatever this is. I haven't heard I'm hearing this right now for the first time breaking news, breaking bad breaking news. But the only way I would be like legitimately interested. If they were like, we're gonna make this as dumb as positive Dom is possible. Silly goes its ghost wall Jesse solving mysteries. Yes. Of course, you need a van you can't sell misters that event. Yeah. You're telling me, I'm part of the new breaking bad. You need you need you need a van to solve mysteries. But you also need a van to create Mr.. Perfect for carrying around that is some high thinking, and I'm not talking about stone. That is some next tears. Buffalo bill. Thank you. Tons of potential donate to our patriotic for more crimes about this method. So totally played. How about we start making ask anybody wanna make some acid at home? I watch that movie. Why was it one of the any of jesse's tweaker friends come on? Because dude that guy is not reliable. Like the dude who is badger in the doodoo slippery Pete. Or sneaky P was those guys are actually real actors. Not dude who's legitimately burned out. Essay they would have to just call the character line because that's all I'm not saying the camera skittles free. Can I get a free so bag for this kid? All right. This is the mistake. 'cause. Shuttle's melt. That's the thing. I never I never remember about skittles two lane is they'll Mel the die is the best part diet. Could I interest you in the alternate version of Mike fry my Mike shank? I have to go. See experimental Justin Bieber later. Fringe artist Justin, vivere, whatever. So this movie's pretty much over with they have this huge fight. I think it's pretty great. There's an awesome thing where they do this effect where there's a bunch of sparks falling down on them from some factories shit. That's there's supposed to be moving so fast. That are seeing the sparks fall varies slowly. Okay. That's yeah. I literally thought I was having acid. Oh, here we go. It's a good. It's the funny detail, though, how humiliating is this is gently like scene partner for playing his double was stuntman that it used a lot. But this do just to have had to have his face painted green. So they can do the computer effects later kind of debasing. He looks like Shrek, actually. Much smaller physically fit shrike. But yes, struck rat balls. But he was just eating them for dinner Jenner. Like. This one's got up. What that would mean? I don't even know. Was about to pass a kidney. Tumor. So. State them does something they go into the multi-diverse center, whatever. Yes. Like within seconds. That's the one that's bad. Send it off to how they are just looking to close the case on. What do we waited a minute? What if we take took like an hour to sort this shit out? Right. They were they Ridgely almost send the good guy, Gabe. Yes. The Haiti's planet, right? Maybe they should have. This guy's going to stop another to kill this, dude. Yeah. Maybe maybe it's safer to send to kill a many way. Gonna have to kill him. My question, though, is how did they decide that? This was the place that is going to house the prisoners. That's it wasn't a prison dimension. Anyway, just actually hell. Identified the actual place. Venezuelan? About you get sent to a multi where they kill you. At that caravan. These fucking people. So, but somehow at the last second state them realizes it's the good one right because we've set up earlier in the film that gently had to take his wedding. Right. So Carla gooky no was murdered with that. So we very obviously throughout the film cutting to jet Li's like little wedding ring, tan lines. So Jason state them. Like, these officials don't even wait for the trans dimensional Jimmy likes to wear off. And he's like paralyze like trying to crawl over like, wait a minute. And he notices the tan line just says like that's not the guy. And then they're just like, oh, okay. And they switch like maybe any kind of investigators maybe in the in between between the beginning of the movie at the end of the movie this agency has been getting slammed for that. Mouse explosion. Multi-diverse presses going ape shit over that mouse. Oh, yeah. I think that's like maybe like a little DVD extra movie. Three people have resigned to fire. It's on lockdown. Now, how get in their number one choice. If we ever get our heads jetlag. I don't care thirty seconds. He's in that chair. But that's the thing. I think they're just like listen, the faster we clean this up faster weekend. Claim that the situation is solved. Itsel why? White white. Get him out. I don't know what he was thinking. Hey should have shaved that a long time. It was how those Ritchie movies. Movies cut shorter at very least. Right. Okay. I think he's believing in lock stock too. So I don't get with this choices at all. And another multi versus gotta fuck insensible hair because those locks lock stock comedic actor as trying to be a Butch action. Dude, he was trying to get the hair go on a guys say. Yeah. Bad move van move. So, but they flip flip it around. All right. We'll send him to the Hades dimension. Which is like a level for mortal Kombat, by the way, you look at this place. Case. Here we go look out world Goro. Yeah. So they sent him there. And it's like, well, I guess that's the very end of the film. I we're gonna send Gabe back to the United States extradite him. Terrifying. Because he's gonna do time for all the murders that. What was his name young law you law? You you gloss was committing right? But this so they say like, well, we can't send him there, whatever. So he gets sent with a Jude. What happened fall very this is such bullshit. This would never happen. State of is like such a good friend of his the stuff shirts. Like, we don't care. Yeah. He'll do time. We don't give a shit. Yeah. The universe. We don't care. Bullshit order. And then he's just like, okay. Yeah. No, I'll type it in other technician that does the beaming all the time doesn't have to do anything. I'll do it. All right. Call mini. I'll take it from here. Disagree with that. I'm going to break this rule as soon as I can say what do that actually get you take a break. Everybody look over. So what he does is he sends him to a different universe. Where a different Carla goo Gino is exists. But who event? Yes. Just like she was. Yeah. But this is what I got really confused about watching it today. Like, I also thought that time travel was involved because she says, yes, they met when he took a dog to her veterinary winning that had just kind of grazed by car, but all the cars are futuristic Sousa. I. But that's what's weird though is like they drop them in the middle of the street. There's almost a car accident. And then there's a dog that's their limping and the whole the midst there, they have later earlier in the movie, and we tell is that tell us a different dimension. Because this dog starts talking to them. Thanks for taking me into the clinic on they're going to be able to limit here. Well, all right. Dog. But you have any. Hey, I got a good ACTA grow. Mark did the transform term. Voiced the dog to be fair. Mark Borchert doesn't actually make the trends. The other guy does. But that's what it's weird because if it's just supposed to be present day. Yeah. But yeah. So I was really confused. It turns out it's just bad screenwriter. But I thought for a second insinuating time they found the rare double verse exact same thing that he would have to kill himself before his former self meets current WI with the have to work at the vet and wait for him to come in. And then kill him. Yeah. Because you know, they got the puppy crematoriums. A little bit kill shelter so gently title kill shelter gently as a fat. Right. Our franchise kill shelter. Yeah. Oh, yeah. From the perspective of the pound puppies. And they're being murdered by him like breaking dog and cat necks. But it's also like, but they they talk like in cats and dogs killed by jet Li they should talk to him because he's crazy. The only human in the move, by the way, he's playing David Berkowitz. But he's not a postal worker. It's became a veterinarian and was little. No, just ganked patriot. Carla cookie. And it was like do I know you? Here's a little different just. Yeah. A little different not a wig though. I don't think a style different. We see Haiti's. Yeah. Store for you glove. And he's fighting all these dudes on the top of appear mid something. I don't know what the fuck. This was like Mel Gibson's apocalyptic. Oh, yeah. One more like, it's gotta be homophobic. Hey, welcome to prison bitch. You're going to be my bitch. And he's like, no you're going to be my bitch. 'cause I'm superpower it's worse than that. Because one dude you gotta pretty math. Oh, really? We're just doing. Yeah. Now, we got mouth rape in your move in hell, apparently, everybody just tax one at a time just groups around fuck it takes down. Well, that's like every fight movie from here to kingdom. Come Chris Gavin. I mean don't pin this on the prison planet. I expect better. Yeah. And then that's the end of the movie the fucking new metal is blaring as you walk out. Not not just a new medal. Okay. Progressive up to their on your phone guys. I don't give a shit. Now. We're doing it. Now, we're really going to do. Oh, commend this. Steve is pulling up Papa Roach. Maybe. This of you. This time. I don't. This some. Edited for YouTube. But was the song always editor? Oh, it is probably about it. That is what he is fighting this fighting alliens of. Just finding Papa your last resort your last resort failed. God you're now you're in hell planet. Yeah. That's where you're going to rule. Hell I don't think of setting up a sequel. I'm going to get off this. Yes. I would fuck and watch five AM scorpion king movies. Why couldn't they get a sequel like just straight to DVD movie of? Yes. Of course. And also like. Chances are another star is going to die at some point. And then there's a third guy. Right. Scifi original series. Yes. One totally. They could do with Highland fucking Stargate for also. Here's what anybody recommend this movie. Yeah. I would recommend it thought of fun. The act gently is a good in this movie as an actor. Yeah. Actually, it's weird. This is supposed to be the rock for a long time. And then he's is that right? He dropped out to do the scorpion. King. Yeah. Maybe smart move vs better with jet Li. Yeah. Because the karate makes the movie. The move. Absolutely really good in this. Yeah. I would recommend it. I'm skipping. Chris. Gavin power rotten, Eric, I got some fucking rat balls. But it does have its problems with the those homophobic lines here in the time. Yeah. The new medals five. Yes. It's fun. It's fun. It adds to the action elements fine. I had a good time watching it would recommend a very light. I think it's a good hangover movie. Actually, maybe I take that back Chris cabin all that new metal when you're fucking head is pounding. I don't know. But it takes you back for me. At least just took me back. What at time of being hung on of of of listening to new metal younger days. He's fucking beasts. I. It is a great time. The times. Never parachute pants like orange zippers or whatever the fucks going on. I never owned a c. Boogie nights. These weird masks and face paint you come in. So offering you one kind of energy Drake at you walk past that guy. He's another guy's offer. You a different kind of energy. I would totally recommend this movie. Yes. The of its time nece hits like the soundtrack is awful. It is awful. Let me repeat awful, but gentlest fucking RAD. Dude. It reminded me that I really do like gently, and I hadn't watched gently movie in a while not counting lethal weapon four. But I guess that was most recently when I watched him in. He's fucking awesome. He's a super talent. And I think it's a good actor in this movie. If you haven't seen the film hero fucking grab soy harks once upon a time in China. Incredible. Also, actually, it does makes good use of gently because like actually like in the actions. Fear. He kind of did half-and-half. Good guys. Bad guys a little bit right and doing both which kind of makes I don't think the rock could've done that. I can't imagine the rock because of bad guy. No bad. He's also got a body for sorts sandals. Why wouldn't you totally? Yeah. I think what makes us movie really watchable. I think I'm repeating Steve from second ago. But like the martial arts. Sequences are good. I don't give shit that. We're aping the matrix time stuff. It's totally fine. I think bulletins fucking cool. I don't care everyone's done it since exactly thirty seven movie was only like two years after the matrix was still rip off fresh. I guess that's probably the problem because I didn't see it, right? After like, I'm seeing now for the first time. Oh, you would never seen. Fulltime? I'm like, oh Jesus Christ again dates it like the new metal. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Well, that is the one that is I'm glad we did this movie directed by James Wong. 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The art of the deal?
"My friends is what you call yard on the deal. Now. The always come to the long time. Or the last second pass when it comes to these. A deal. wrote a book about the art of the deal. And yet for this particular reason. We went with poor if they get an order and. Even though we have eviction protection. But I still pay my rent do this because I listened to the CEO. And I pay my rent Douala of this crap. But Nonetheless I agree with the moratorium I agree. With. You know. Helping people but don't stimulus checks. Only four hundred dollars now, people have gone unemployment because Congress won't be back until September September. September and that would be a month before I go to camp widow, which is in the second Canton Week of October. The second weekend actually I leave about. I WANNA say eight if I could or maybe the the ninth or something like that eight, nine, whatever. And it's ridiculous if absolutely ridiculous congressman acting my children and call us gross adults bone children. Very disappointing very disappointed. I mean this this year have been nothing but disappointment. The Art. Of The The Art. Of the deal. Now. While the point that. We had to do a decorative orders for them. For Thanks a lot congress enjoy your vacation. I, hope you join month vacation. The only vote that you did. Was To remove statues for Statutory Hall. And that was since. I would in my trip to termite fell down before I haven't damn nervous breakdown. Yard deal. Dr, the deal. while. The Art. Of the deal I. Dumbfounded Right now. I am speechless play now. Had the most top players. In Congress and a along with evil. Mitch. Nancy Pelosi. Touch Sumer. And he'd come down with nothing. Or they need new fight. They need meet halfway. Wow. With Dole stimulus, check at all. And yet people now more people were going unemployment because we couldn't even get to it of your deal. The Art of the deal. That is what I must say in the art of the deal. The Art of the deal, let those words sink in. This is the president book. For the president. This is what kind of an office beside the wall. Beside the mall immigration in this is what got him into DC into the White House to author the most powerful man in the country. In the world. Second. To second. Lord Comfort Second Minute Guy. Second. The. Art of the deal. Failed. Athem Li literally failed, and here we are on a Saturday we just watched for executive orders. Come into play. And our did. Kind of the case if they buy buy. For A old. BLEEP in. The cat with US American. We're rich you're not. Go suffering. That's what they're telling us.
The Invention of the Self
"This is poetry off the shelf. I am hitting the grades today. The invention of the self before everything changed. I talked to Peter Murphy an English professor at Williams about a very very old palm faithfully from me written in the fifteen thirty s by Thomas Wyatt. I was wearing that. No one would be interested in a conversation about an old poem right now but listening back. I often felt a jolt of recognition in the fifteen hundreds of course epidemics happen every few years there was a viral pneumonia. Going round something. The English called sweating sickness with symptoms very similar to also seeing. Now only you die. Within twelve to twenty four hours of developing Simpson's and there was a bubonic plague which Henry de eighth was so terrified off that whenever he had to travel somewhere he sent surveyors ahead to check on any of the towns on route and if they found sick people they were carried out of there has an into the fields and left to die and you. Dave is often described as the worst king England of a known. He inherited a fortune. The blue all on his fancy lifestyle and stupid wars. He married six times and had two of his wives executed. He was famously paranoid and would turn on his most trusted advisers on a whim locked them into tower and often ended up executing them. One of these trusted advisers was Thomas Wyatt the author of our poem why it worked as an ambassador for the court and had close ties to Amber Lynn. He too by the way ended up imprisoned at tower twice in fact but he survived and each time he went right back to working and writing poems. One of these poems Li flee from me has kept Peter Murphy busy for almost two decades in his book. The long public life of a short private poem. Peter Murphy follows this long long thread from its author Thomas Wyatt to his friend. Who copied the poem in her own manuscript making a few changes to the family that inherited the original and stored it in their home library for centuries to the various printers and scholars throughout the ages? Who fought over version was best all the way to the presence when the poem has become something of a staple of English literature textbooks? So why this poem because to contemporary ears they flee from me is not the easiest if I were to give you a rough summary. A man remembers a time. When he was popular especially with women but nowadays they flee from me it's not the most compelling story of tolls but the story is not the point. It's who's telling it at various points throughout the book. You sort of say that Wyatt kind of as a person as a character Makes his appearance in the palm and that know that that it was a new thing that maybe before that was more of this sort of anonymous unified court voice or something. You can feel it in. Wyatt's poems that they have that texture of introspection like declarations about the nature of his inner life or the nature of inner life. I I like thinking of it as a moment of invention. It's right here and this moment would let's say it's fifteen thirty five but we can't be sure but it someplace right right close to fifteen thirty five you know here. It is It's the invention of the lyric in English That's probably again in some fine grain. Detail I don't think that that's strictly accurate. But it feels that way. That's so interesting. I mean I think. Today at literature is almost synonymous with inner life. Right like we see it as the only way I think almost to get I mean movies. It's much harder to get to the inner life the characters right. I mean you have to do cheesy things. Like voice over. Work Flashback. balloon literature. That's sort of what it does best and so can you take me back to what that was before we started doing that. You know what we're writing then. Yeah I mean it's such an interesting subject and I think that there's a lot of mysteries associated with it. And I think that it's not a kind of continuous and smoothly developing story from you know people inventing language and had to the day of Thomas Wyatt and then to our own But in the period right before why it. When we're talking about shorter poems lear tomes I think it's it's mostly true to say that the accomplishment that people are interested in poetry was largely as a kind of design so that the poems about love for instance that why would know that are in English. You know their poems that would feel to us to be highly artificial. They have stanza forms. That mean that they repeat themselves a lot and you can feel that some of the satisfaction of making such an object is actually. Just do it like here. I made this complex stands a form and look all the words appeared. Alright spots And I I don't think of that as a low form of entertainment. I think that there's a lot of of expressive objects that have that quality that. Wow that's a neat thing Edgar something. Wow that's well done I mean but it's you know I think that that's exactly right and I think that there must be you know what amounts to a satisfaction in the kind of controlling or designing of of the process of thought that is in such an artificial poem. The clearly people liked. I think it feels quite foreign to us. Were much more used to a more nuanced and flowing An even inconsistent picture of inner life. And so I with why we have a few poems where what feels like the picture of inner life has this kind of dramatic and compelling texture and I it's just so noticeable especially if you're sitting reading a lot of poetry from the period it's just so noticeable kitchen. Could you read the poem and and I was thinking because you know i? I can't assume that everyone has Sort of a fluency in sixteenth century. English could you maybe take standby stanza and slick paraphrase may be as we go along sure absolutely? So here's the firsthand. They flee from me that sometime did me seek with naked foot stocking in my chamber. I've seen them gentle team and meet. That now are wild and do not remember that sometime. They put themselves in danger to take bread at my hand and now they range busily seeking with continual change so I think that some of the one of the things that people like and this poem is just that magnetic first line. They flee from me. That sometime did me seek now. It's old English Has a little bit of a Foreign Air. But we can understand that line And then the the evocative air of the poem the sort of summoning of stuff with naked foot stocking in my chamber. So who are they? Those first two lines That's the part that caught me and I think it's that that that part catches a lot of people and sometimes they put themselves in danger to take bread at my hand and now they range. Busily seeking was a continual change. That's the substance of the first answer is about change the second thanked before Cheon It Hath Been Otherwise Twenty Times better but once in special in thin array after a pleasant guys when her loose gown from her shoulders did fall and she me caught in her arms long and small and there with all sweetly did me kissing softly said Dear Heart. How like you this so you have this. I stands about these beings that now are gone. And then the thing that's gone now appears to be this really beautiful intimate moment and I think you know especially if you're reading poetry from this period this stanza is just you know what I wanna say. I might be wrong in some very detailed way. But in a general way what I want to say is. There's nothing else even remotely like this people love to retail this stanza. They loved to just talk about and think about the the sort of intimate energy that suddenly appears in the Stanza Which that kind of intimate energy is just so unusual in this period. You know we've gotten so used to it. Yeah exactly yeah. It's hard for me to to hear what you hear because yeah for me it is. It is the thing that we still do right. Like we recollect something. And then we will hint at some details to make a really visual for the one who's reading her arms long and small and that is so common to us that. What is the the newest thing about this? Then you know I think that It's the it's that it feels like an actual recall like this is a thing that happened and a lot of poetry in the in the period. I'm not sure people would have been very interested in doing that. That is an actual recall. Might you might even think about is the flaw. It reduces the sort of designed and performed live aspect of short poem about feelings. And you can imagine someone thinking you know these are actual feelings. That's the that's not what we're talking about you know we're we're we're talking about. As you said the Faberge egg I want to. I want something more beautiful and more abstract in effect. And even if you're reading Wyatt's poem they flee from me. This poem is different So here's the last ends. It was no dream. I lay broad waking but all is turned through my gentleness into a strange fashion of forsaking. I have leave to go of her goodness and she also use newfangled names but since that I so kindly served I would fain know what she had deserved. I'm not sure you would guess that the Palms GonNa turn in this bitter direct and I think that bitterness unfortunately is a really common quality in you know the what is loosely described as love poetry in this period. There are all these conventions about how men get to complain about women not paying attention to them so I think that readers in the period are people encountering this poem in the period would have this complaint about her behavior There's something they would have read a thousand times you know. The lover's complaint is often a title for poems. That type in this period. And yet you know in this stanza. Also if it's not it's not a very decorative complaint It seems unhappily genuine and the the bitterness is part of that right so he gets into this stanza. And there's just this low. That's the place where I think that people would have felt the texture of self to be just a little bit too much but since that I so kindly observed I would fain know what she had deserved especially that sort of dead rhythm in the the last line. I would fain know what she had deserved. Not Very musical That's I think one of the things that gives it. Its sort of unhappy feel of genuineness like he just wrote out those words because he was so angry he he didn't even have time to institute is I am BIC pentameter. That's true like it has the sort of Obstinate field to it. Almost right like he's sort of leaning on every word would say no what she had deserved. Okay that's I think that's exactly right. That's what I call the kind of dead rhythm of it and I think what's happening in that line is this it's just an insistence on a feeling that feels genuine enough to be a little uncomfortable. Like you know. Conversation at a cocktail party of someone says something all of a sudden. You're like well look at that. And they need to go get a glass of wine or you know you find a way to slide out and so the poem as it appears in the very closely related manuscript it's manuscript that's being maintained by Wyatt's friend. They change that line and disfigure if they changed that line they knew Thomas Wyatt. They had sympathy with his problems. They changed that line then. Something's happening in that line. It clearly made people uncomfortable. Yeah I mean I was a little uncomfortable with it. Now you know like however many centuries five you know five hundred years later. I thought Oh you know doing that. Typical Nice guy thing like well. I was being kind. She's wanting to you know exactly the bit ask. That shows up bitter. Yeah I think of that is That's a technical innovation I think on Wyatt's part He's making the palm respond to feeling in a way that people would not have been used to. Can you tell me a little bit when you look at that page today or even the entire book that this page is a part of what what sort of interesting. Scribbles and and drawings appear in the margins of the poems There's this math on the left hand side which is Subversion of Algebra. I had the great fun of getting to read Seventeenth Century Algebra. Textbooks to figure out the you know the notation and took a little bit of work to even figure out what's written there but again what what a pleasure to read a century work of mathematics and figure out that that squiggle actually means X. squared and so on. Yeah but the math is a sign that the person doing the math didn't care about the poem and in the rest of the manuscript. This is much more obvious thereon. Other pages straight lines drawn through each of the lines of the poem and then the pages just covered with other kinds of writing so the person structure basically simply struck through so then sometimes pages are covered in prose. Sometimes there's geometry problems so that there are triangles that are drawn over poems and the idea that a person's sitting with you know a book that we now consider a priceless treasure. Yeah in the reasons that it's a priceless treasure is that there's a poem written on the page. There's person sitting there with this book who actually can't see the poem right so it's exactly the opposite of us. We look at that page. And it's like oh was their math on the left hand side. I'm sorry I didn't see it. I was reading the poem And that seemed to me to be. It's just a really important part of the life of this poem that there are people and You know my thought is that. There's a resonance between and the contemporary world were a lot of people wouldn't be interested in that poem and I tried to tell that story. Sympathetically that is there's lots of reasons why you wouldn't be interested in that palm and it doesn't make you a bad human being and it doesn't mean that you're not sympathetic with other humans or that you don't have a nuanced inner life yourself or that you're not interested in the inner life of others that just means you're not interested in that poem And so you know it's like it's a healthy tonic. That you can drink while you think about the history of this poem because there's always this temptation to regard it as some kind of mystified magical and holy relic that and it really is not that it's a it's a poem written by a person in fifteen thirty right right. Yeah you know if you try to write about these people who scribbled in the margin sympathetically. Well you've succeeded because I really. Yes such warm feelings for them. You know at this John Harrington I mean they're all called John called John Harrington yes generated call this guy. Mp You know because he was a member of parliament. Yeah what what I love. So much about him is that he seems like the antithesis of a poet sort of insensibility He likes math. He likes While he works in government he sort of interested in science and it's very practical and so he uses it sort of to conduct his business and to also just write down notes. Sort of like a to do list or something you know and Yeah one of the things. What was it again? That that he wrote something like I helped my friend's son I'm constipated just like sort of A. You know whatever that that was also sort of like you say an inner life you know. There's many many people who wrote things into this book after Thomas Wyatt Road in it but John Harrington who's the person who wrote the math he wrote really a lot into this book was a judge he was a magistrate. And there's addresses to juries are sketched out in this book and what I ended up thinking about as I meditated on Harrington's lack of interest in the poems his diary and his daily is that in this really Broadway there's a generic resemblance between his diary and the poem. That is somehow the writing out of the things that happened to him. Some of them very intimate. You know not very appealing constipation is not you know. Generally a great subject for lyric poem. But that there's a resemblance between his urge to write out the stuff about himself. Just the these are things that happened to me There is a resemblance between that and the work of lyric poetry. Which is somehow the writing out of an account of inner life. makes us feel that it's more manageable or that it is more. Maybe it makes it more thoroughly a thing of the past if that's what we want or it makes it more understandable and so that relationship between writing and what amounts to self understanding or just the management of everyday life is not entirely different from Thomas. Wyatt's use of that book. It's just really different from Thomas. Wise Use of that book. Yeah I mean that's a gorgeous way of looking at it and it really Seems to be exemplified also in the way that the MP Or that the judge John Harrington His son used that book he was just sort of learn how to Rights right like he was a little kid and had a tutor and he had you know do his alphabet and stuff and and what is so lovely as how you describe this kid was maybe not you know the most interested in school and that he sort of would draw these monsters enlarging exactly. I. I find that part like you. I find that part. Really beautiful actually and You know in my general feeling. That poems are things that people right because they have reasons for writing them by Thomas. It can be in some ways about his job as an ambassador. Desperate hope to stay alive and tutoring England And that again. There's this kind of generic resemblance between that and little We'll Harrington there is finally Harrington who's not called John Harrington you know this little wheel Harrington making drawing this little monster in the manuscript you know. There's a kind of habit of mine where we think. Well you know. It's a kid and he's just drying a monster but again it's that act of sort of getting something out of your head and onto the paper and then you look at it and it's done something for you. Something that was inside. Your head is now out there on this piece then so again. It seems like it's a good companion further poems in that book. It's it's you know it's it's the same kind of newborn of the spirit a a now that the manuscript lives at the British library which bought it at the end of the nineteenth century You know now it's sort of lives it's museum of Fides existence right like it. It can no longer be Doodle let's say I mean. Of course it's great because now it's public and Vancouver. The right accreditations can go and consulted and stuff night books about it. That's cool but But it also yeah in in a way it's now dead and I think I'm really happy that that wasn't destroyed in the course of its long centuries and I'm really happy that will Harrington drew a monster instead of making paper airplanes with the with the page that they flee from me was written on and so on so I'm happy that it was preserved. I'm happy that I can see it. And my ability to see it is entirely dependent upon the kind of mummification. That happens to that book in the British Library But at the same time The it's it's fun and interesting to think of people using that manuscript as a legitimate human activity you know that they're interested in that book that adding things to it was their way participating in the kind of general life of this book. That had all these interesting things in it. So you know. There's the two sides to it gets saved for us so that I can call what the British library did to the sort of vaguely derogatory term. Mummification so you know I'm entirely. I really understand that irony but it does seem like it that it's important to register it you know. I went to the British library. I went there several times to look at this book. Which is neat experience? One time I went I had done all the things I was supposed to. I'd sent email beforehand presented my credentials and I had a little card and so long but on this day which is the last time I looked at it. They somehow the library. Just I just didn't seem legitimate enough to them and I speak to another person who's often indifferent room and this person I was saying what I was doing. And and this person actually said looking at me I guess Europe professor she said and I thought wow all right well you know in some ways. I'm happy that somehow I could be misidentified as something more interesting glamorous than an English professor but at the same time what is it about me that makes me seem like a person who shouldn't be allowed to look at this You Know Ancient Manuscript. They did eventually let me do it but they made me wait like three hours just to make sure God. Wow Yeah I mean that's also really interesting about your book is that you sort of You show what it took for someone to gain access to that book you know in like in the Eighteenth Century You write about Percy who was the self-made scholar This kind of careerist guy. Who's great at introducing himself at an seeming very important and sort of making that a self fulfilling prophecy and He's he's the person who actually finds I mean we're we're skipping over a whole lot of history here but you know we'll which is going to have to because of the time you know But he's the first one to sort of reunite the idea of the poem sort of the original manuscript of it right that he marks up the book with this. Little Code to basically indicate okay. This is a manuscript that it comes from. This is the page in the original manuscripts that it comes through. And so you right. At that point that Percy decided to write in the book writer Dan who knows like write a paper or something you know. Because he couldn't he didn't have the sense of institutions that would sort of provide continuous security that his paper with his findings would actually stay with the book. You know so. He thought okay. Let's just write in the book and what I what I was wondering about. What your senses about that you know. Now we've we sort of. The pendulum has swung in the completed action right. Like we were so reliant on our institutions and and even just like the way that we digitize stuff. It seems like we're so confident that these digital copies that they're going to be around you know or that we've always have the capacity to read them to feel like we do too much of that we're risking our heritage in a way. Well you know there'd be other people be smarter about that but my instinct is yes certainly and you know there's the I'm not the only person who has noticed things like you know the the wonderful interest that's available for instance in the letters of people who lived in the past so where that information going to be you know we'll that beyond hand it's all an email now actually it's taxed or no. I don't know what it's in. It's in a tweet that disappeared so One of the I think really. I don't know a beautiful inside available through the history of this manuscript this book. Sort of calmly. It's it's a stack of paper that survives for five hundred years and and it just does that survives the you know the unbelievable and bitter carnage of the Tudor world at survives. You know it's owner getting his head cut off That is Thomas. Wyatt's son got his head cut off in the rebellion against Queen. Mary and then it just wanders around at ends up in a Family Library. We might think of a family library as a place. That's you know I Dunno through unofficial dangerous but at that that turns out to be incredibly secure location for it even though people are using it for all kinds of other things And so it just makes its way in one way or another and so there's something about the survival of of a physical object in the story about the poem that I find really just kind of great that it's it because it was an object that means it could have gotten lost in it's because it was an object that it didn't get lost and so there's something really beautiful about that story that would just paper and yet the stack of papers. You can go see it today. If you have the right credentials they believe Sawyer. Have you looked professorial enough? Yeah you write somewhere That the study of literature for you has always been connected to the study of everything and I really love. I mean it's so true about your book and and you know it made me think about you. Know those kinds of books that are like the history of sand or you know or something like that right or the history of paper or whatever and then of course it's not just the history of sand. It's the history about human beings you know just sort of the excuse you know Why do you prefer to do it through poems? Well I think for one thing. I think that when I began this book which is in the year. Two Thousand Right. It's a really long time ago actually from a personal view. I think that there was actually a surge of the kind of books that you mention and I really liked those books. You know I was really interested in them and so I I. I think that that feels like a kind of accurate observation about in some ways the source of the shape of the idea that there's a role I'm back. The French literary critic has this neat moment at the beginning of a book called said where he talks about a certain Buddhist practice of conjuring a landscape out of the skin of a bean And it feels a little bit like that you take little bean and you conjure the whole world out of it but I think that doing such a project with a poem is some of the satisfaction of it is that the the palm is about human being and even this palms Britain so long ago the some of the interest of this palm is that it was written by Thomas Wyatt who was Cordier in the Court of Henry the eighth than and Berlin got her head chopped off and the story of amber. Lynn is a bizarre and interesting and terrifying one. And so it's just the that. Tell a kind of extended story about this aspect of English speaking culture using poem. It just allows you to talk about the the pains and pleasures of being a person at every moment at in essence and and so You know as I was working on it you know my feeling was like who wouldn't want to write a book like this. I mean it's just like it's just like the perfect thing because the for one thing. Anything could be absorbed into it. You know so so for for almost twenty years worth everything I thought was. I would think you can just go you know. Can this go in in the bus? Oh here's something about inc. Well maybe I should read the thing about INC and the lives of people are so interesting and the attempt to imagine the intimate texture of lives of people who lived long ago with both interesting and I think really good for us And and in the record to to think about the long history of people trying to assemble their inner life. Does that daily struggle? You know that we have you wake up and you think wow what a great day. I'm doing some great today by afternoon. It's like Gosh. What a terrible day and you know I really feel I've lost control on the threat of my life has just now frayed and then the next day you're feeling good again the to be able to talk about that texture over this long period. It just was so rewarding it was so rewarding and so interesting that when I finish this project I was sad I mean I know there is like Gosh restores more history. Maybe there is there a sentry. I forgot about that I could you know. Just go backwards and think about Peter. Murphy is the author of long public life of short private poem reading and Remembering Thomas Wyatt before that he wrote a book about the tension between poetry is art or livelihood. Focus on the romantic poets Abacus titled Poetry as an occupation and an art in Britain. Seventeen sixty eighteen thirty. He's a professor at the English Department of Williams College in Williamstown Massachusetts and got his education at John Hopkins and Yale. He's currently at work on a book about storytelling. But he warned me that it could be another twenty years you can find. They flee from me and more poems by Thomas Wyatt on the Poetry Foundation website. The music in this episode is by Todd sicker. Foos I'm Helen. Illegal routes and this was poetry off the shelf. I hope you're still going strong. Thank you for listening.
The Evening Briefing: Friday, November 13
"Hello i'm chris. Price with the briefing from the telegraph. It's friday november the thirteenth and dominic. Cummings has quit downing street off. Ruled the draw in westminster in the last few days. It's little surprise. The week ended with moore dominic cummings metrics clutching a cardboard box. He was seen walking out of the front door of number ten this evening. Shortly after conflicting reports emerged of him quitting immediately while others said he'll continue until mid december. It follows a huge pow struggling number ten against what seen as the vote. Leaf faction so sane. Cummings vote leave ally. Li kane quit has downing street's director of communications. Who would replace him well. Former chancellor such javits emerged as a front runner for the chief of staff job which cain had been tipped to get. Christopher hope has the details. On johnson's impending reshuffle over. This comes as government. Scientists said the lockdown in england's luckily to get the number below one the latest estimate of the our numbers between one and one point two. That's a slight drop on last week. Our live blog has the latest updates. As danny told you this morning the yorkshire ripper. Peter sutcliffe style off testing positive for covid nineteen now with yorkshire polices apologized for the language and attitudes of senior officers at the time of his murders chief constable. John robbins insisted. Today's approaches. holy victim focused the inept. Police searched for the most brutal serial killer in living memory. Became the biggest manhunt in british criminal. History you can read. How sutcliffe was eventually caught. And strictly come dancing. Covid crisis continues professional dancer. Anton dubec will join the judging panel this weekend. He'll be filling in while mercy abuse as self isolating following. An urgent trip to germany comes after olympic boxing champion. Nickel atoms was forced to quit the show. That's after her dance. Partner catcher jones tested positive coronavirus. Marianne kaz swine sets out. Why adams ruthless covid acting is the beginning of the end for strictly twenty twenty along with all that you can read guy kellyanne the new direction for the john. Christmas at just. Don't expect to understand it. That's the ad not his column and look back at sofia lorraine jayne mansfield and the birth of side. I that you're up to date. Danny will have your next briefing on monday morning.