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Big Suey: Colin's Tiers Exit Ramp

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

41:09 min | 5 months ago

Big Suey: Colin's Tiers Exit Ramp

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Nowhere or mateen fat face and it's been stress leading and the habitual liars scott's can't be trusted the big joe own apartment radio life for me is getting his vaccine today so he's got a he's got a jump on that appointment when it happens and that appointment happens just around the time we get. Greg cody's cards appraised right right. So god's yeah. I think i should It's two minutes from my house. So i should be able to to go do it. I have to sit in a chair for ten minutes afterwards because of side effects but i should be back by by ten o'clock very exciting. Oh wow so. You're getting the vaccine. You're leaving the show for a while and then coming back and you're going to learn perhaps because in one hour we are going to bring to you. Did you call this guy. The hammer is his name is nicknamed the hammer the collectibles the collectibles guy. Who's gonna come on with us in an hour to tell us whether those cards in greg cody. Garage are worth anything. His as the he's a hammer. So tyler holes hammered dan. I don't know freeze the hammer or hammer. I think it's just amer- you have two choices to make their dan. Your last name is holes hammer. It's either holes or holy or hammer and he went with the hammer. I mean that that's the wise choice you know. Did you really just say you only have two choices and then give three. I did that. I did okay. That's a thing that just happened. You're always keep a track when you have the hammer you gotta use it then. So that guy's going to be on with us. Stugotz is gonna be away here and come in and out of the show. There are certain degrees of difficulty in doing the show. The way we've been doing it. We're trying to establish the chemistry. This is actually been good for us doing it this way learning how to do it this way. It hasn't been great for the audience at every. Turn but you may or may not have heard depending on when mike started rolling back there that we've been having trouble for years okay with my audio and we've finally got around to fixing it which might bother you guys because over years i sound like i'm whispering sometimes just because of how the microphone picks me up and because i tend to tone change now mike is saying that. Because they're fixing the microphones around here and fixing yours. We're about to sound different to the audience. He's not telling me whether it's better to the audience. He's just telling me it's different than what. I've found with our audiences anytime they get a whiff of different. That ain't good. That ain't good. They don't like different they just don't want to change at all. And then they accuse us of getting older being terrible and getting lazy and doing things the same way and then when we change and tried to improve. They get mad at us. I'll be curious if the audience actually. Here's you differently because we've been doing stuff at at least recently in post production to try to counterbalance whether how far away is you leaned from the microphone or just your natural tone but for me sitting in these seats wearing these cans. It's pretty jarring new. May how different you sound okay. So that's one of the things that's in play. Get ready for some changes around here. Because we're handling everything ourselves now. But chris tell me about. If you're if you're not someone who was listening to tuesday's show it was one of those rare times. It doesn't happen very often around here to anybody but it happens around here. Good amount where you get one of those moments where you're waiting for the pay. All i just heard your saliva in like four k ultra each gel all my face. I feel like we are going to check in with the hammer because on tuesday we went through. Greg cody garage. It really was magical. It had to be. I know how much i enjoyed it. I could see all the faces in the zoom. How much they were enjoying it. I can't remember it. Feeling quite like that. Since munich did the zip line in mall of the americas at the super bowl where she was giving us analysis and we were nine minutes past the espn time break because we just kept waiting for the joke to deliver the punchline. She had all sorts of trouble getting on the zip line. And so greg cody goes to garage and we are stunned. When what emerges is a hank aaron card like i'm hammer and hang we're gonna as the hammer about the hammer. So we have an expert. Chris and lay this out because i saw your father and his granddaughter in really dirty garage. It's disgusting really dirty. That door has looked that since one thousand nine hundred eighty s. It's so bad it's just so awful. The floor is sticky. I i wouldn't let your daughter in there if i were you. All sorts of your daughter may have been conceived there for all we know baby. Take us through what we're doing with the hammer how we've prepared for this. W-what the delightful surprise. We might be in store for could be. That's why the floor is sticky so basically we went through boxes and boxes. My dad's stood outside all of tuesday into the evening going through all of them. Just getting all the hall of famers in all stars kind of in one group so we could and then so now i can show you in a little bit. We have on this ping pong table. Cards flooded everywhere. And now we've gone. I did a deep dive on the research. So i've kind of isolated. What i think the twenty most valuable cards. I'm not great at this and we have so many options here. There are hundreds of all stars in hall of famers. But i've picked twenty of them. That i think probably like have the most value. Just based off my. What kind of condition are those twenty cards in there in good condition. I've spoken to this guy. Tyler briefly. I didn't want to give him too much head of time but i showed him a picture of one card and he says if they're all like that like they don't have to be when they're from the sixties good condition is good enough like the internet not expecting card from the sixties to be in mint condition. So i actually think these cards are in other than the ones he wrote on. We'll get into that later. But yeah there's there's some here that looked like might have some value that he has ruined. Would you do me a favor and just so you've pulled a couple of those out things that you think have value. But he's struggled on them. Kevin mickey mantle card here already mickey mantle or get. What any rate all right Billy where do you think. What's the payoff here. What is in terms of funny and entertaining in a little while. We're going to go to this guy and what we want. Is it all have enormous value. That will have a payoff or all of it is worth three dollars total and we made a big deal about nothing. We just don't want to be in the middle there's mickey mantle card. He wrote the number twenty three. What's number what he just did some math on it. It says twenty three and twenty three circle in the middle of his jersey. It says plus three and then plus forty six head of his time in cracking what number was mantle. I mean well. He was famously. Wasn't he. famously number. Seventy yeah single digits and marine one. What are you hoping for as well. These two different questions chris. I know what you're hoping for for the estate but in terms of funding for the audience and a producer of this radio show. What are you rooting for in terms of. Certainly what what needs to happen. Is that mickey mantle. Card is worth a million dollars. But if you don't write on it If the do right on it it's worth for sense. Like best case. Scenario is the most expensive car. It is the best for the show. Best for me best for the show. He also has a few cards that he thinks have has value. And i'm pretty sure they don't. He has his obscure reasons why he thinks they have value. So that should be entertaining. That should be good to billy. What's the part of this that you're most looking forward to. It has to be what chris was saying that he has great cards that just have no values. He hasn't taken care of even after okay. So i sent the pictures that they were sending the text like a look at all these cards greg casper said the pictures to people that like cards and that are in this business one of which told me. He bought three hundred thousand cards this weekend that he was going through so i was like okay. This is a person that knows. What's going on that person's like sight unseen. I'll give greg ten thousand dollars for all those cars break now. And then was like tell him he needs to immediately stop touching them and stacking them on top of each other because he's ruining them by doing that. I'd sell i suspect. A lot of these are gonna be devalued because of the way they've been handled this. I do wanna go back because an underrated moment. If you wanna see the video from what happened around here on tuesday you could go to world of sui dot com where you can see the whole twenty five minute video but i just want to point out to everyone here in the audience. How much. I love that stugatz. First order of business before. Greg cody got up out of the was to offer the shitty five hundred dollar like. How could you saw the snake. It was like a cobra coming out of a basket in some market in a land where you don't trust anybody he comes out. It's like oh give you five hundred dollars for everything you have there. Can you guys just saw the skis me. Its appearance in snake. Charmed cobra four. You also saw the. I love them. But the stupidity of greg cody. Who would have done that deal. Had you not been on the air with that's correct. He wanted yes he says. Wow is not a binding agreement. I mean but that's the kind of any we're talking about. What i'm rooting for is the greg. Cody says that. He wrote on that mickey mantle card last week as an adult adult handwriting. That it's done a child riding but my you help me understand what's happening in the non fungible token market because we've got kings of leon is is the first band that is coming out or has come out with a new album and we also have this thing that we haven't been understanding recently released. I haven't been which is. Did you guys see this. The nba top shot the video. That isn't video you own but that you can buy. Did you guys see how much paul pierce shitting himself and having to be in the wheelchair ended up going for. Did you guys see the price tag on video that you can't own but you could say you can own seven hundred fifty thousand dollars get at seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars. It was reported. And frankly if i had disposable cash i would use it there if i had i. Of course. I don't. But i certainly don't have that kind of disposable cash but how great would it be to pretend that you own the video of paul pierce ending up in a wheelchair and is that a celtics fan or is that someone who wants to make fun of the celtics who bought that. I also think it's you getting fooled by the internet. Oh oh. I don't understand this market. Like how could i possibly understand. What the hell. Billy doesn't understand it. Billy's telling me like and i side with standard it's stupid it's a fad. That will go away in two months. There will be a ton of people with little tiny clips. That are worthless. Gary viner chuck. Who oddly enough has been a guest on our show and left co joined us and we asked awkward. That was awkward. That was that was weird. But i actually saw him on. Cnbc yesterday talking about nf. Tease explained it better than most people have. Which is well. Because billy make point. Anybody can get this video. What does it mean. Who cares if it's individually numbers. What is it what is it. How do you actually get a value from this thing in gary v was talking about how we do social currency all the time. Now what is a blue checkmark worth on twitter. That's also not tangible but it opens so many doors that very clearly has a monetary value. We do social currency all the time. Even when we don't know we're doing it so entities are just the next logical step in that. I think mike is right. Like damn we're laughing at it now. You and billy were laughing at it now because we don't understand it but i guarantee if people were laughing at you know they're gonna put a baseball players picture on a piece of cardboard and it's going to have serious value somewhere down the road. I mean i would laugh at this fact. I'm getting the game. What are beanie babies worth today. A lot yeah. Not no billy breakpoint billy. I think they're worth a lot. Ripe beanie babies. Dan for a million dollars. Five hundred dollars right now. Give you for all your beanie babies. The point bill is trying to make a lot of people. Were hoarding beanie. Babies and their prices never been as high as it was in the nineties because the thinking was while these are going to be really valuable one day and now they have zero value. What people are really struggling with what i'm struggling with. What billy's articulating is. These aren't tangible. How how how have any value. If it's just something that. I go to a website right now not even application just a website to be able to watch. I think they're easy. Applications for display tanks for these nafta's that are specifically video based or even high end artwork a hi rez image of art. That's an original piece of art and you give it a individual serial number that's backed by blockchain technology. And if you actually have a display for this whether it's a high quality monitor. I think then people can start wrapping their head around it a little bit more because we just simply don't understand the intangible aspect of it. Forgive me billy. But i thought that there were certain beanie babies that are worth an enormous amount of money. Am i wrong about this. You're telling me beanie. Babies don't have any value than if i went. I don't know what i'd have to offer you for all of your beanie babies. How many are there. But i'd be willing. No i'd be willing to take a risk at less than a million dollars. Although i just got suckered in nine hundred thousand well let me explain to you. What happened to the beanie baby market. Mcdonald's released them as a giveaway. So they gave way over one hundred thousand beanie babies diminishing the value of the beanie baby. But dan is right. There are special edition. Beanie babies that are going for north of a half million dollars on the internet. Now joke nell vo. Yes people list them at that price you need to find someone to spend five hundred thousand dollars on a beanie baby. That's the problem you could list it at whatever price you want. Someone has to buy it. No one's going to buy a beanie baby for five hundred thousand dollars you. They're they're an idiot. You might right about that but you telling me on the front end in your negotiations. These aren't worth anything. Just tried to charge me a million dollars for them. So it's not like your well sucker here. That believes what you're selling because you won't sell it to us for a thousand dollars. Well they're more valuable to you than me so see how viable error million dollars all right. I will counter with seven hundred and fifty dollars. Where's the middle. i'll go seven fifty one. It's too bad you're gonna be. You're gonna hurt so badly when you get this vaccine shot and you can't find out. How much greg cody has cost himself because he wrote on a mickey mantle card. How how how hard is this going to be in terms of stugatz itching himself at the vaccine place when he finds out that he can't listen. Live to how much money. Greg cody is or isn't making. I actually think this vaccine situation. They suit guts finds himself in is actually a great example of what we're talking about because being able to just say i've had the vaccine forget actually getting but being able to say and people believe that i've had the vaccine has a value to me. I want my life back any. I even understand that you still have to wear a mask after you get the vaccine because you can still transmit this disease. We're still learning about it. But that's a social currency being vaccinated is a social currency. And for what's to. God's does i know he. He loves going to lacrosse tournaments being able to have peace of mind that he's vaccinated has an immense value to him. Which one are you getting. Stu gods because the johnson and johnson one is in the seventy percents and the other ones are in the upper ninety percent and i obviously would anybody would want the one that has a ninety five percents success rate. Do you know which one you're getting. I believe i'm getting the maternal one ad. So i'm excited together. Mike's right i. I don't know how i'm gonna walk around with the big v on my chest so everyone knows that unvaccinated. But i'm getting them a journal one. I've whole i've been told there are there are bad side effects for some people not everyone so i will see why have to sit a chair for ten minutes after the. Give me the shot. I was told that it's the second shot three weeks later. That is the one that comes with the nausea and some of the sickness. Not the first one. I would've figured cigarettes would prioritize j j just because it's one shot and that's just how god's does this might just do this one time and not finishing walk around selling shirts like he might because if it were truly stu gods. He's not going to actually do this to completion. It's just going to be. How do i get the mo- social currency being the laziest person possible. There's roughly a fifty fifty chance. I show up at the second shot fifty fifty chance to show up for the first one. You might just be trying to get out of some work already. got out of the dry. Yeah i actually don't think he's getting vaccinated. This is a trust me. Don't trust me. Situation was through guys. I have gone. I'll show you my doctor's note. And the appointment. I am getting vaccinated. You guys really think. I wanna take a chance. You know me at missing greg. Cody and him fighting out that. He had millions of dollars of gordon and our fifty cents. I think this is like a time capsule. We should save this video in assign an nf t number two it. Because greg cody getting his cards. Appraise wild stugatz gets a vaccine on one. Zoom screen has got to be worth something. We've got to figure out a way to sell the video and tell people have reached out to me. That know how to make. Non fungible tokens. And they're like we can put highlights of your show out there and put it up forbidding. If i'm tech companies are reaching out. We're we're on the next frontier here. We own all of this stuff at the moment and all this stuff at the moment is making us not very much money so i think we need to a new refrigerator so we need to sell this. I the water outside. The fridge is colder. the water does. The fridge is heating our water. I noticed the same drinking boiling water with billy. Why didn't he sell your beanie babies when they were at the height of you know. I'm not a big seller. I like things your order. How many would you say you have. Until i don't know i'd have to find them But i mean it's i don't have like super rare ones. I don't think i'd go to like hallmark and get them related. Go to mcdonald's and get the teeny beanie babies that they would have you have the blue peace beanie baby is our went for two thousand and one that i think i had was like. I think i have like the millennium one. I think that one so they have one here. That's one dollar one. That's thirty five hundred league. How would anyone. That's on here. Decide which one they want to buy. It says meant. Billy it says mint trade. They're like do you. Just trust that shit. No of course not meant all right. Twenty eight hundred bucks now. I am going to tell you this. We have to be careful with the hammer here in your dad because these guys man. I'm telling you they're like they're hawks. Okay they're predators right. And if there's any slight crease in east cards they'll take the value danley. He'll start bullshit it. I'm telling you right now. And let's say the cords where the thousand and he spots a little craze. Suddenly he's offering five hundred dollars for that court nominees. Reselling it right for two thousand right exactly right. Yeah we're gonna get ripped off your man bill. You should absolutely hold on your beanie babies now. Sports cards are having their time in the sun. For twenty years we kept being told that trading cards are going to be worse something and then they weren't and then they came back so you should hold on your beanie babies the same way i should hold onto my mcfarland's hold onto him. Bill i mean why not. what what. What else am i going to do with them. Right rainy day to buy and hold. Strategy bill i logged arab strategy of. They're like bonds exactly. That's why i'm sitting on huge pile of politics. God oh i like what's the next big thing records or vital worth anything. I have a bunch of vital in my garage. There are some valuable vinyls. Everything comes back and you have to seize when when the market's at its apex. But sometimes the market to add its apex at the very beginning like it was with pok mon trading cards like it was with beanie babies. There are several examples of people capitalizing. When things are hot. And i kind of fear. Top shot is going to be that way. I think this might be top shots moment in the sun. You can make an argument that old. It'll reach a higher ceiling if china gets involved in the game and you want to capitalize on that initial rush. But i don't really. I have a hard time wrapping my head around this being something that i can. If i have a dwight howard dunk from this year right now because it series two. Am i really going to be able to flip this for twenty five thousand dollars. I have a hard time wrapping my head around that if marlin giveaways are ever currency. You'll never see me again. All of them you do use stugatz has all the stuff from marlins giveaways. Why would i keep in mind. I worked for the marlins. I guess i should say. I have all the giveaways from like ninety seven ninety eight. Because i worked for the marlins during that time and when you went through your garage because you went to sleep at night really jealous of greg. Cody and greg cody garage. And you decided to go rummaging through your garage. What did you find outside of a nineteen eighty-five dwight gooden baseball. What else did you find that you started scurrying to see if there was anything in your garage that had worth Have a bunch of baseball cards. Have some vinyl. I have some records. I was just asking. Mike if those have any worth. I have some cassette tapes. I have eight track tapes. I have i have star wars action figures in there. I've got he man action figures in there. I found some baseball cards. Some sign number. I got a bunch of stuff. Billy do star. Wars action figures those things from stugotz. His childhood in the seventies. Is that something that we could figure out that. It has value of all the things that he said. That's what jumped out to me in terms of this what this is what the show should become the next evolution of the show should be. Hey give us millions and millions of dollars. We're just gonna go through our garages. Is that okay. Is that okay just estate sale. Basically this we were actually talking about selling all the tiles in here. If we change the studio. I think people would want to buy the tiles in here if we decide to revolutionized what's going on. Why is everything for sale now. Should we worried because we've been selling out in some way or another since we sold out that new york theater i have i mean forever Speaking of I'm not selling out. But i just have to go. I have a I have an appointment with the doctor to get the vaccine. The big vague about that would they marina. There's no other way to say this dan. We shouldn't actually tiles what i'm telling you is. We should take a picture of the tiles and then number them one through five thousand and boom. We're sitting on an communists should we sign them or signing them. Values them the way. That greg cody devalued his mickey mantle rookie card. One sign when you can take a picture of it and sell it five thousand additional times. I wanted to ask. Chris and billy as people who have been talking about the dolphins and the shawn watson as shawn watson says loyalty is everything and becomes the first quarterback available for a bounty of things young quarterback that we've seen a long time. I want to say loyalty. Is everything when you're requesting to leave the only team you've ever played for That's fine taking up with shawn watson. i'm just setting the stage here for the dolphins story that involves kyle van noy as shawn watson exerts his power while under contract and says i don't like the contract anymore and people rip him saying you've got a contract. You've ruined the team. You're supposed to be loyal. What did you guys make of. Kyle van noy. Who i thought was pretty good last year. And i don't know how to do these measurements right because at that position. How the hell do you do the measurements on whether or not someone is good or not good. But he signed for four years. Fifty one million dollars and was hurt was disappointed that after one year and i think it was thirty million dollars guaranteed which is pretty good but he got to where he was. He didn't wanna feel disposable with maybe he found a home in the huddle and he got hurt by the fact that his contract ultimately was worth something but was not the contract. He thought he was signing. And so the thing that i wanted to ask you guys beyond the obvious. One of we don't treat the players the same as we do management or the owners when it comes to contracts. How human is it. That kyle van noy is hurt about being discarded when all of us imagined this. Okay just imagine this. We're free agents right now. Imagine all of you in a year shrugged my shoulders. And say yeah. Thanks but like you thought you were signing for four years You mean it's one year you guys gotta get on out of here and you got to move. You gotta move to another city with your family. It's a lot easier to do. Obviously when you have thirty million guaranteed but still. This person is telling you. He is hurt and disappointed and surprised by what it is. That happened what the miami dolphins just did to him as incidentally and this is something that i don't believe people are paying attention to right now. America's most popular sport just took a financial hit. And you know he's taking it. We're cutting the cap by fifteen to nineteen million diana his saying it's going to be a massacre out there. This is going to happen to a lot of people. Like calvin because no matter how rich jerry jones is getting with gouge natural gas prices. His salary cap stays the same. And if he ain't making money in his business you ca- damn betty and giving it to dak prescott like if you can. You can rest assured that those guys are going to figure out how to make the bodies even more disposable than they've already been. And so what i'm asking you is. How do you feel about that as someone who developed an attachment customer through a motion to the player and thinks of him as a human being. I don't know how much you guys value. Carl van noy and his hurt feelings. But i'm asking you. I mean he was really good last year. Like i see pro. Football focus says. He was third among non-defense alignment in pressures last season. I mean this is an interesting one because the team the all the shift has been towards player empowerment. and now. we're kind of you know the team is showing you. Hey you know it's player power but not at this position. Kyle van noy well. This is what i would say to you if you've been listening to the boring conversations that we've been having over the last couple of weeks. About what damore. Smith just did to his players to secure his own job with ten year deals. He eliminated the middle class. He gave the owners the power to do this. And no one's gonna give shit no one because boohoo. Kyle van noy feelings. Are you signed a contract. You thought was worth something. You got your thirty million dollars. Get outta here. That's exactly what's going to happen now. And does anyone care. Honestly listening to my voice right. Now they're all millionaires right. Does anyone care because my answer would be no. We're going to side with management at every turn. I just find so strange that these big money deals are announced right when he was announced it was part of a huge spending blitz from the dolphins four years. Fifty one million. Calvin noy the guy that's going to bring the patriot system to miami and then after a year look at the details and go wait a second. This isn't a four. This is a one year deal with an option to release. It's the most bizarre thing how these like. These transactions are supposed to be the big deal that you know we play the ka chunk. Sound sue. god's comes on big news dano and it's not actually big news. These guys are basically on year to year contracts. How does that happen. I'll tell you how it happens. It favors the owners to make. It seem like they're giving away all their money when they're not the agents go out there and really eager to tell you what their players are making. It's all public. This isn't normal. This is not a normal thing. People don't know what you make listening to us but all of its public because the inside the entire system is gamed so that everyone makes money but the players are viewed as making too much of it while it's actually the owners who are making too much of it and we never know never know what they make. None of us ever know whether they're winning whether they're losing money like we have no idea how they're doing the book weather they're paying taxes in this country shit about what the owners are doing. We know everything about what the labor is doing and they fool you with that masquerade of numbers thrown out there. That don't actually mean anything because the contracts don't mean anything either and the other thing because you mentioned. Do we have a connection to these guys. Do you have a connection. To calvin roy. We don't really understand what he does. Like chris cody correctly. And this is what i would say to is his pro. Football focus. numbers. I calvin good. I watched the dolphins. They're really good at pass rush. But i know that patrick mahomes is really good and i want him on my team but i don't really have an understanding of his value but he was really good last season so he'll probably signed somewhere else so like he's going to get some money next season so he'd signed the contract with that option for them to cut him. It's choice because his union agreed to it. But i just told you that. His union representative was working with anti union lawyers to make sure that everybody on the rich side of this. Got their stability and richness. Guys i find this part of it. Hugely passing the way you guys just described at people as people who are immersed in this world the reason that every rich person in the world is trying to get into this exclusive club is because the vanoise are totally disposable because their numbers are fixed and because the contracts they signed me nothing and so because they've collectively bargain this stuff with a union head who became allies with goodell and has his players furious. It's a fixed business. The only thing that can wreck it is pandemic and even then they're saying. Oh my god. The salary cap is about to get massacred because what we're sharing is revenue and risk and we're sharing it the way the owners want to. I'm telling in these owners meanings. They should be smoking hundred dollar bills because of the way that this this is a fixed cost business. It's america's most popular sport. Anybody who deals with the. Nfl will tell you. They're impossible to deal with because they get money from everywhere they don't answer anybody they make all the rules everywhere in every business go into because in the age of streaming and content there it as everything changes and you don't want commercials anymore your in front of your television anytime. Anyone plays football and van. Noy doesn't matter. He's just another uniform running around out there that they'll replace next year and you'll fall in love with the next guy because people aren't examining the finances of this and when i say they aren't examining the finances of this. I'm not just talking about the customers. I'm talking about the god damned sports media reports this very poorly because we're not business reporters and so the people watching the owners are not qualified to watch the owners and the owners hide in the shadows. We don't get any access to. They don't have to disclose their not publicly. Traded company says they don't have to disclose it doesn't you can have the best business reporters in the world. I'm sure great business. Reporters have been trying to bus open books. and they can't because these are private. Corporations are incredibly protective. We know what it would take for the players to actually get a fair shake in this entire deal and they can actually do it because much of their players. Union base has a one and a half year window for their careers. They simply can't. They are cut off at the pass. The owners have got this to the point that it's almost futile to even discuss what the players can do. Because why would they make the sacrifice for people other than them. It's counter intuitive. And i also think that like to to kind of present the side of the union. The union is obviously protecting the interests of its members but also really players unions exist to preserve minimums right. You say that the costs are fixed. But also it's so that if it were up to a free market right and every. Nfl owner compete. There's a chance that they all collude together to lower the amount of salad. They paid out even more. They would fix their costs. Even more and basically players are seeking minimums and guarantees and that serves their membership so in some ways players. Union is doing its job. It's just it leaves much room for owners to make so much money money and exert their power way. More than we'd probably like here is what i would say. The players union isn't actually doing. Its job well. And it's not just. Because i talked to someone who really knows the nations of this. And when i asked this person like really knows has been in the meetings has been in the upper echelon of where this power gets trafficked. That person when i asked about the job damore smith is done because the players had a lot of leverage power and needed leadership late nineties to thousands early when the sport was blossoming. I said to. More smith and the response i got back was clown clown is what i got back which was startling. Because this particular person. I've never heard them dismiss anyone that way and when you combine that with what. You're saying chris about preserving minimums nba nba. Owners have laughed in the meeting rooms. When chris paul walks in and what ends up happening is the twelfth guy on the bench. Who's trying to preserve a minimum. Has the same sort of power as chris. Paul you just saw this with the nfl. Rogers was shouting. Do not sign this deal. This is a shit deal. But the minimum guys who need their minimums and represent because the middle class has been knocked out they rep- they end up representing too much of the power fighting for the minimums and the owners are laughing. Because we'll just fix your maximums and then not make the contracts meaning but how are we supposed to reconcile the fact that okay on one end being called the clown and on the other end. He's still running shit. They have the power to change it. The reason i say this is because that. Don van natta seth wicker sham article revealed to me. I had not seen it before. And i was told that. You just skimming the very tip of the iceberg. Oh shit the players got played by their own representative and anti union lawyers because their own representative was too tight in while making public blustery comments that made it looked like you was fighting roger goodell. He was actually bed with him in a way that while. Not a conflict of interest. The the suggestion in that article was very much conflict of interest. the villains here easy to pick out. It's it's the owners but the one thing the one variable that the players seem to be able to control is getting demorris smith out of there and he's still there he was unanimously elected and he gathered the union through a lockout and signed a deal in large part. Because that's what the majority of the players wanted. So if we're all here pointing fingers at the morris missing. He's doing a bad job. It's up to the players. Get him out of there. That's the first thing they can change. People hate union talk right like all of this and we'll move on now. Because i know you guys are here for greg cody garage and we're going to get into this in the next segment. But i actually find the business of this while they give me a bit of a headache. I find them hugely interesting. I'm not sure the audience does or cares the audience and the part. That's confusing about that to me. My is the fact that i know you guys actually care about the money. I hear it talked about all the time. The money athletes are making. But when i point out to you how and where. It's not enough. You hate hearing that you don't even want to discuss it. You don't want to discuss the details of that. Lebron james is underpaid. What the hell are you talking about. Lebatardshow what are you talking about. He's underpaid yeah. He's a cities economy everywhere he goes. He moves hundreds of millions of dollars. Yes he is underpaid. What are you talking about. Let's we can't have fixed costs and capitalism that way that are that fixed for the valuable but this system has been working against them in ways to protect the business and make the business what it is today in a way that should be at least little galling to you but won't be because they bouncer a ball for a living and they make too much money bouncing a ball for a living even though they have limited career spans even though their bodies hurt even though the expertise that they have in their field is super cutthroat and they are more valuable than they think than you think they are because they get to the top of sports over a more cutthroat environment than wherever it is that you are working for your money and consider me a road sign on the side of an expressway. I have an exit coming up if you'd like to take it call and cowherds. Qb value tears. Now you could keep driving passes sex if you'd like and keep talking about the more smith good or you could take the exit if you'd like up to you. Okay i'm gonna take a u-turn. I'm going to drive across the i'm going to go dress. I know i'm breaking through all of the cones. I'm turning around. I am now driving against traffic. Liken ronan one of the greatest car chase scenes of all time and i'm going back on that exit ramp Do you have the fanfare music before we get to greg cody and his garage. And what it's worth. What are colin cowherd. How do you want to do these. Rankings where you starting are you go. Can we start at number five while there's three tiers dan there's three tiers there's four people in the top two tiers so all right so where do you wanna start. I'll tell you tier three first. Everybody else that's tier three okay. Let's do the fanfare. Ra tier two. She garoppolo wow also interior tier to lamar jackson. The third member of tier two to shawn watson. Not just for those of you just joining us. This is colin coward 2021 qb valued years. We've recap tier three. Everybody else tier to jimmy grabs lamar jackson down watson the final member to your patrick mahomes. What is it because of values because he's too expensive don't because he wants to go viral. I'm sorry to disagree. Go ahead So wait a minute. What else do we have. Here is collins so good at this shit. Oh it's infuriating. Well i mean. I think we can piece it together. Who's in tier one. Because remind bird tier three was everybody else and tier to mahomes watson. Lamar jackson jimmy garoppolo. So everybody knows until this guy's shot alan tier one tier one josh allen. Josh everybody else also in tier one. Aaron rodgers the third member of tier. One tom brady and the final member of tier one. The first member of tier one russell wilson's does collins tears. Thank you for the detour. An intern greg. Cody's garage is next. I was bored to tears.

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Phinsider Radio | Tight ends, running backs and receivers  Oh My!

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Phinsider Radio | Tight ends, running backs and receivers Oh My!

"The hello again. Everyone and welcome into another episode of finsider radio. The jason josh show. I'm your host josh outs. You can follow me on twitter at house. And i'm joined by the greatest co host any entire university one. The only jake mental. You can find him on twitter at at j. m. e. n. d. e. l. ninety four. How're you doing today. Man joshua it's friday. Oh my god. I'm excited. I don't work a normal monday to week. But i get that this week. And i'm super jacked up about it. There's a lot for us to talk about it and we have our run down here. We're ready to go. But i think we need to first conscience. Something from our last podcast. Kyle van noy didn't necessarily get cut. Yeah and i think it's safe to say the twitter really puts a monkey wrench into a lot of things. Nfl teams are trying to do. Because kyle van noy released his comments and now there are reports coming out that he hasn't necessarily been cut. Yeah as the miami dolphins trying to trade him and try to baby. Save your dollars on that cat. Yeah and i mean to me. it's just. I don't know what it is. I mean did calvin Reach out and report. That he was getting released. And you know maybe. He threw a monkey wrench in this. No one truly knows but to me. I don't know how much leverage the dolphins truly have now after you know. It being reported that he was going to be cut even put out a statement like you said and now they're trying to trade him. I mean does colvin web trade value. I think absolutely but when you look at the contract the next team would be taken on. I mean what could the dolphins get here commonsense. You know fifth round pick. Maybe that could be a fourth depending on how many snaps i mean we see in the nfl every year. I mean some guys get treated. Were very good players for pennies to the dollar so I don't think the dolphins will ultimately be able to move calvin. But it's just another turn in this. You know wild off season. That were unrolling getting started with justin. I'm gonna give you a take outside the box you know. The dolphins have been doing a lot of forward thinking. What this rebuild day. They are taking a different angle at it. And i don't think the dolphins are going to get any draft picks for calvin however i think they might traded draft. Pick to get rid of calvin to get that salary completely off the books. I don't know what it would take. I'm not saying like a second or third round pick but but the ryan tannehill trade a few years ago. The dolphins got a forest but they had to eat some of the contract. What i see here is. Maybe there's a team out there that has that cap space. I don't talk. Because i believe it's twenty million dollars over the usual but i think the only way trade happens here and i think it's incredibly interesting and i'd like to get your take on this. Maybe the dolphins need to send a fifth round pick And kyle van noy seventh in return and you know we can make the big big argument of you know. Jay was a fifth round. Pick so was reshad jones. Zach thomas i mean obviously every fifth round pick is in this outstanding talent but but obviously could find value there in josh. If the dolphins can save that what four million dead cap this year and that another two dead in dead cab next year that another one million dead cap. Would you think about maybe move. Aired sweden calvin contract with a fifth round. Pick if that means you get those few extra dollars on the salary cap especially in a few years of where. The cap is a little lower in the future. Hopefully as trending up. But we don't know that for sure. I think it's definitely a possibility. But again i i don't know how much team's gonna want to take on that cap. I mean because then the dolphins have taken some of that salary and we saw it. What was it two years ago. When the dolphins released ryan tannehill. I mean he the c. Championship game and the dolphins were essentially paying him to do so so Lots of things to come here. And jake interesting note. And i didn't really wanna talk about the shawn watson too much about this podcast but you mentioned him. Being traded and for some reason you know piqued my interest. Because tell me where nick cassara. I still don't know his name. He's the patriots. So i mean let's let's start that i mean we keep hearing they need to. How howard why. Not throw calvin oil leader on the defense. Tula two first round picks. I mean i'm going to get paid for this. But it was just the first thing that came to mind when you said calvin because he definitely has that a that history with nick caserio up their new england and the cool cool thing about that is. I mean this is more relevant in basketball but but they look magic contracts. This year watson cap. Hit about to be i think. Twelve million for this year before it really start to go up and and that's been noise scheduled to make josh. I think that is a very interesting perspective. And i think it is certainly worth noting and you just because we're talking about these things like a watson trade or or whatever. The dolphins decided to do isn't a huge alarm to give really defensive about what your opinion is. I think it's healthy at important to talk about these things. I love. that thought you know. Because that's what the dolphins have doing thinking of ways to really maneuver the roster outside of the box and that would be a great scenario where you know you sweet deal with a kyle van noy to where the contracts matchup really. Well you get that leader. I mean the houston. Texans are going to have incredibly team. They're going to need to wash out a lot of a bad taste in their mouth and bring in a leader like van noy. Who's going to be probably pretty happy. Because he's going to be making a decent amount of money. I think that is an interesting interesting idea. Josh late late like you said that we're not gonna spend too much time about it because people are going to shout at the wall at us known as twitter that you know how dare we. How dare we disrespect to which we've never done anything. We've never said anything. Negative about him but here we are. I've just. I think we have a little bit more of alabama news. That kinda came out this week. Don't we always talking about two and you know it's just i mean. I went to the store yesterday. And i said i bought a shower for thirty cents and i got ratio because dante from dolphins talk said you know what did the charlotte say. Mark jones more than two. And it's just this ongoing saga. I mean every day. They're asking one of his receivers. You know as a mac jones the two and no one knows why they're saying the things they are but it's just so much drama that's unnecessary but let's get into the big news and it was a few days ago. I mean again this rundown that we had a couple of days ago before the columbine noise brunson. Nice calvin okay. We'll just call it. Caveat news so what we what we heard was nausea harris and he said alabama. They ran a very similar offense to what he learned there at the senior bowl with the miami dolphins coaching staff. You said a lot of the terminology was the same. And i think you know we heard about it before and i think it was. Jim nez the guy that runs the senior. Even said you know the dolphins don't need to name an offense coordinator because you know they have a very simplistic offense here. Senior bowl you know. They're not going out there and really tipping their hand but to hear these things that there's so many similarities within the miami dolphins offense and offense run by too low. I mean if you weren't already trying to mock in you know we know how useless mock if you weren't already putting nausea harrison devante smith and jalen waddell at least inconsideration for miami. I mean i think when the dolphins drafted to a the the grand scheme of things the way they wanted. This offense to look was very similar to what they're running alabama so Part of me wants to say you know. This is a huge underlying. You know sentiment that these are are gonna go out there and draft one of these alabama guys. I don't know that that's true because again nagy said these offenses were down a little bit but I think if the dolphins want to have that offense that we all hope and they truly hope that they run and get when they drafted to follow. I think that's the way this offense is gonna look like. Yeah and the the running big conversation in its has some layers to it and it started out as you know you. Draft nausea harrison. The fixed right. The running room fix ripened in their snap with fingers and then there came out. The reports about aaron jones in the miami dolphins having mutual interest which i still think is a little interesting and and i really think that people sometimes are getting a little too frustrated when it comes to cap space. And they're taking twelve million dollars. Maybe out of context in terms of what that means the overall salary cap and again is a story. We've already talked about josh. I'm really starting to warm to the idea of baby. The dolphins signing someone end maybe taking a top ninety draft pick. Because i mean you think about it. Last year they had to go out and sign. Deondraye washington silvana. Med saved them a of weeks. There i mean the depth at running back is very important. It's very necessary. And when what. I mean by the dolphins signing someone is you have someone you can draft with the very fresh legs whether it's nasdaq nausea harris. I'm going to have you tell me about devante williams and in just a minute here. I think adding someone like a aaron jones even just popped in my head the other day james white the ability to pick up the pass rush to the ability to read defenses before the snap running backs do that to everybody. Offense does this to not just the quarterback. I think there's a huge value. There and rookie rookies grow into that kind of stuff right. You're not going to be able to completely shut blitzing. Two hundred and fifty pound linebackers Week one right that and that just isn't how it works. You shouldn't expect to twenty year old to do that. So i like the idea of maybe doing two things here and then having like gaskin and maybe even a layered or whoever may be as your third and fourth is incredible room and the dolphins need to run the football. I need to add to it time and time again that the dolphins need a played acre. Someone who once you're inside the twenties can really take the distance so you don't get necessarily always have to force your way inside the ten fours inside the five. You're losing that field front of the program. Chris cochran sent me a tag video. That was just reggie bush in miami and i gotta tell you man if there were e highlights. Six of them was seventeen. To twenty two yard. Touchdown runs where he just took it extra. What ten yards into the into the end zone where you beat the secondary. And you don't have to worry about the field shrinking for you. I think that would be such an incredible bonus for the dolphins. If someone like. James aaron johnson come in and really provide that extra twenty yard cushion. Because we you know spent so long next year. I'm podcast talking about will the should've went for it on fourth daughter. Well why'd the ticket field goal here that fixes it that makes everyone's job easier and signing running backs goes far beyond what the performance is going to be in terms of maybe rushing yards in terms of touchdowns when you go inside the numbers when you look at little things like pressures picked up or just a twenty two yard kerry from the twenty. Two yard line is much different than a twenty two yard kerry from. Let's say you're thirty one. And what's so funny about the reggie. Bush thing is that we were talking about it when the map here at least i was. You know i said besides the number you know this guy had a lot of those same traits intangibles as a reggie bush and we thought he was gonna explode onto the scene and jake. I don't know if you saw the put. The dolphins tweeted out a happy birthday to matt. Brita and i don't even think manfried is under contract this coming year. So that's something interesting to see how that plays out because you know. They made a trade for a breeder. They made a trade sandra washington. One of those guys you would think might be able to stick around and be. We know some depth. They're throwing back position because again. I think this this coaching staff loves myles. Gaskin i gotta like what they saw on. Salva knock med. But you mentioned the guy james white. i mean. That's a player that you know we're hearing about the big names afraid so you don't even think about some of these little guys you know. I think Gus edwards from the baltimore ravens. I mean this is the name that you know in some again. I always go back. Fancy but he some monster weeks. I mean this is a guy that could go for. You know next to nothing on the open market. So it's gonna be so many options available. And i think that's why the dolphins at eighteen nausea harris seems like the perfect. The perfect fit. Because he he is that. I mean he's everything you want a running back. I mean the guys just built in a lab. It seems but when you look at the running backs throughout the draft and just you know the way this team or coaching staff again has addressed a position. I don't know if they're gonna spend that big draft pick and you mentioned devante williams. I wrote an article for the finsider on him. I mean this guy. I looked it up. Because he had the same size. As ricky williams. You know he has the same last name. And i just kept picturing in my head. You know as it's going to be the next rookie was he's not the same as refuelings. Ricky williams was you know a back before his time but giovanni williams. I mean this guy can do everything. He's a threat in the passing game. I saw him. You know take soul passed protecting and then he just is no can do everything in the run game he can jump over people spin out and then he just trucks through him so i think that he would be that perfect complementary back to what they already have in myles gaskin and again this could be gotta get at the top of the second round so there's tons of options. I mean that's one running back in the list. Can go on a hubbard. Michael carter. Another back from unc. I mean again. Let's own and You know it could be the same. The same can be said about the receiver position to i mean both these positions. We will address in free. I believe in lots of decisions here. But i think you and i both agree. They're bringing in a dynamic playmaker running back and they're bringing it at least one if not two dynamic playmakers are wide receiver. Just to kind of wrap up this conversation here. You know there are a lot of people who say just kinda draft someone in the fourth round and keep replacing it over and over. I mean lamar. Miller j zhai. Those are a couple of guys who stick out to me. But i think there's a level to this Winning football players you know you think about winning basketball. Plays the diving on the floor setting those hard screens. That's why i'm starting to warm up to the idea of maybe bringing a another veteran whether it's someone not little more expensive maybe it's someone like james who can get maybe a little bit or on the cheap side is just those extra winning. Plays that rookies Maybe even second year players really can't do yet that that might not be on the stat. She you know we see like everyone kinda brought up. I think zac stacy his rookie year seventh round pick. Yeah you can rush for all the yards. But i mean are these super bowl. Winning teams are these playoff contenders. I don't know that. Debate is really there and i certainly do understand. The concept of fifth round picks it value is. They're they're cheap. But i do think there's an extra level here that is is kind of being overlooked when you go about that line of thinking absolutely in another name. I mean i pull spoke track. Look at some of these Free agent veteran running backs. i mean. go down the list. I know dolphin fans love duke johnson. I mean chris carson's out there you know wayne goldman core clement. Dwayne washington kenya would be a lot of fun i undervalued guy beyond pell the further down the list. You go. i mean there's a bunch of names so it just goes to tell you. I mean we already here with the way. These teams are making moves that they're setting up to be. You know this is going to be a crazy free agency and again. I think dolphins have to dress both these positions moving forward jake. I think we should jump into a break. And then when we come back we will talk about some of the fridge. Wide receivers out there in particular. Marvin jones is comments about joining the dolphins support. For this podcast comes from saving money on your car. Insurance is easy with progressive. It's an average savings of seven hundred ninety six dollars for customers who switch and save in fact. Customers can qualify for an average of six discounts on their auto policy with progressive including discounts. Just for starting a quote online or owning multiple vehicles get your quote online and progressive dot com. See how much you could be. Saving national average annual car insurance savings by new customer survey who save progressive and twenty nineteen discounts vary are not available in all states and situations marvin jones. Let's make it happen. He said i believe it was on instagram. When asked about during the miami dolphins in josh. We said that about running backs. And i think it's very true about the wide receiver class. I think that while the dolphins could and and maybe even should maybe spend a little extra money to get one of those top tier talents again. I'm still the allen. Robinson guy through and through Adding a guy like marvin jones. And then you have free agents like ty hill in you could really put together a thorough group. That has a lot of death. Especially when you have gathered preston. Williams devante parker who have had injury issues in the past and you add on the point. That is most comfortable. He's at his best when you spread the field wide. So you're going to need three four sometimes. Add probably most of the time. Five days out there can catch the ball and make a play and that to me screen. Someone like t. y. Hilton specifically but josh as we talk about the stuff more and more Opinions change we grow. We learn and that is the way it should be. What is your feeling. What is your hopes your dreams for. What the dolphins do at the wide receiver position. Strictly and free agency for me. Jake and i think the biggest pipedream that i've had an honestly it started with his time at ohio state. And it's been curtis samuel. I mean. i've drafted him every season of fantasy. football guy. i've been waiting to literally break out every year with the panthers. He finally did. And he's only twenty five years old. And i think he does. A lot of those things at the dolphins need again. He can he lines up in the backfield. You can do that too. But you know he's he's that slot receiver that create separation and can create big plays and again. He has been in carolina last year's with teddy bridgewater. I had higher expectations for him than some others. But i think curtis samuel landing in the right spot is going to be a big time playmaker aside from that. I mean he might get that big contract but go down this list. I mean a guy like john. Ross we all remember him. He got what he got some crazy money for breaking the The forty yard combine time. I mean he's done nothing with the bengals but he's at player that you know all he needs maybe another chance in the right place so again just like the running deiss. You can go down this list. There's plenty of playmakers that could come in here and add value but for me. It's looking at curtis samuel. And i know dolphin fans love juju smith. So that's another name to throw out there but a lots of options. But i didn't mention chris cowan because let's be honest he's not going but if he does i mean i think that's If if you're enamored by alan robinson i would say chris godwin maya somebody i love dream. Somebody something to that. I think is worth pointing out is When i did the in the hunt podcast. One of my shining things i created. Was the branch pyramid scheme where he was dominant for a year and parlayed that into a huge deal with the dolphins another three years thirty million years. I can't i don't have the contract numbers on top of my head. Sorry i don't keep track of ranch to too much. But what i'm trying to get at is i think receiver could be a good opportunity for the dolphins to get some guys in one year. Prove deals you look at what the team wants to do. You look at how they're trying to revamp the offense so if you're going into a room to negotiate with some of these guys that say well fuller who's coming off an injury by to be a free agent you you say. Hey you're twenty seven years old. You're you are young enough where you're gonna get another big payday. We are. Offense is going to be very different than it was last year. I mean every team's gonna say our offense is going to be good. I certainly get that part. But what i mean is that we're gonna have a revamped offense with a lot of different playmakers and if you come here for one year you shine you step up you play like we know you can then you can go get that last big contract instead of waiting instead of doing it this year like where we mentioned before the break. The cap space isn't what it should be. So maybe you could get a willful or maybe a little on the relatively cheap side maybe zach pascal and one year proven deal t y hilton thirty two. That might be a guy who might try to lean towards a team. That's really a little closer being a contender. But i'm really interested to see what the different mood. The dolphins make here because allen hearns Albert wasn't we don't know what they're going to be on the team but those are the guys. Expect the dolphins to go after guys who kind of fly under the radar allen. Hearns was the perfect example. One year deal balled out. They extend the contract a little longer. Obviously it wasn't the most you know cats face breaking deal but but i think that could be really interesting development for the dolphins. Ed maybe donald john ross or willfuller opens up an opportunity there absolutely. I think what's so great about this. You know you can see here. We can talk about the draft. We can knock this guy and that guy known truly knows you know if there's anything that we realized after this noise and i said no one knows. The dolphins could be clear in all caps space tino go to these prolific wide receivers. You know we don't know what they're gonna do. But you made a great point with the way the salary cap is with the uncertainty surrounding. You know the future a lotta. These guys might want to take that one year deal might want to go out there and you know prove that they can be a long-term answer here miami so lots of good names on this list. I do think we talked on a previous podcast. But i did hear. Marvin jones had interest in miami. I think we've all heard that and again. It goes back to that time with a visit with the new england patriots. So i think when you look at marvin marvin jones. I pulled up his numbers and he's only had one one thousand yard seasons in his career which is crazy to me. But then you look down the list. And he's had in the bus jones. Yeah touchdowns yep nine touchdowns in the last four seasons so i mean that is what the dolphins would absolutely need again. He would be. That veteran mentor to help some of these young guys. So lots of options again. We'll see what happens. A free agency to then determine what happens in the draft. But jake we're sitting here talking about wide receivers. We forget about the quarterback position know. We are very happy to its envelope. We can talk about the shawn watson rumors to blue in the face ryan. Fitzpatrick is not going to be a miami dolphin by most accounts this coming year he said time and time again that he wants to be a starter and i gotta be honest. I saw ben rothlisberger that new deal. Why the heck can't ryan fitzpatrick he's younger than than rothlisberger. And i notice respect to rothlisberger but in their current state based on. We've seen. I mean we saw pretty good ryan fitzpatrick these last two years. I would take that over what we're seeing up there in pittsburgh but the point is ryan fitzpatrick's on his way out. What are the dolphins going to do at veteran quarterback in armanda salgueiro the miami herald throughout brian. Hoyer I just want to get your thoughts. Only know what he could bring as far as veteran that maybe some of those other names out there. It's a it's an interesting topic joshua and you're you're right about patrick and the rothlisberger comparison rothlisberger has taken so many big hits over the years so many injuries i mean your body breaks sound. Football's a hard david. Fitzpatrick's remained healthy through. his entire. career is exciting. I hope fans in the c- he'll put on helmets and you know you'll have a bunch of good stories. You can write on josh alex smith. He was released today the team and decided to part ways. I don't like him as the backup because abc probably going to get a tax this. I kind of think he into play the quarterback position relatively the same way. Whether you say. I'm kind of i'm going somewhere with this. Yes and then. I saw that one would be a little interesting to me again. The leg scares the crap out of me. But i mean he played last year. I think he didn't already job Brian hoyer i mean. That's just a really really land. The grilled cheese of backup quarterbacks. And i to say if a backup quarterback has to come in. I really don't wanna root for brian. Hoyer everything just sticking with the patriots. And yeah i think he actually killed us in a couple of games. I think when. Cleveland tyrod taylor is another one that i think is a little interesting to jacoby bay. Fifteen million dollars last year for yards per carry pointing that one out I don't think he really will go somewhere with a young quarterback where he's not going to get a chance to be that guy of the future so i think alex smith makes a lot of sense for me. Josh who really stands out for you. Yeah i mean for me. It's always been. I mean i guess jacoby percent thing i mean. I went back to before. When brian floors i came here. I thought that might be the veteran presence in that locker room. So that's definitely potential and if they really wanted to get a guy that you know how man. I'm i don't even know what i'm saying. If they really wanted to get a guy that you know they signed mitchell trubisky. I don't even know how to sit. I don't even know how the hell to set that out. That's what i was trying to say so that's Blake bortles. i mean this. This is what we're grasping at straws. Here so i. I don't know i don't know mattress game. I could see him throwing up thirty points. But but i already know if trubisky I can already. I already know the cell garros smear pieces are coming against trubisky. Should be the starter. After one bad game. I know i feel it in my bones. Josh on this point too. I think i want someone like alex smith or even mitchell trubisky so i can. I can be that guy. Could be the click bait guy and say i should dolphins add another top five. Pick to their locker room and just make everyone incorrectly. What scares we have to think about what the backup quarterback is. What's gonna i mean. I just keep thinking about you know to below it gets pulled for then. I just try to insert that name and try to figure out which won't be so insulting and this list is just i. I don't know man. i think. I'd rather. I think i'd rather see him. Draft a quarterback in hope to you know on day two or three and hope to maybe develop the next. Tom brady instead of going after a. Cj petard oh. There's a name okay. All i feel the radar. those blip. I think we're onto some blaine gabbert. Oh my god yeah this list. I don't know man this. This is bad through free agent back of quarter. No offense. I mean they're great. Quarterbacks really tampa people But their backup quarterbacks for for that reason the inconsistencies. Certainly there josh. Let's wrap it up here in before we talk about our final topic here. I just wanna remind everyone if you enjoy what you're listening to Go ahead and hit that. Subscribe button wherever you listen to this. Podcast tune spotify. Whatever it may be so you'll know the next time a finsider fin slatter. Whatever it may be hits the airwaves. You'll be right there to know about it and also reviews. Help us out so much. So if you can leave us review let us know what you think and we take that stuff and use it and we think about it and we try to do it to make the show better so we appreciate all the support from everyone out there. We can't say. Thank you enough. So josh you brought up an interesting player that we haven't talked about once and it was chris kaufman. Who always seems to be the guy who gets people thinking One of my favorite quotes of all time is I forgot who said it. And everyone's gonna be screaming at the radio. Because i'm sure they're gonna know who it is but it's i don't want to change your mind. I just wanted to give you a reason to think and chris. Kaufman is the best at that. He is always the box and kids the conversation going. So just what did you see from him. that you wanted to talk about in the show. Well he just threw out. And it's a great point. And i mean we keep hearing kyle pits name. I mean this is a dominant. And he's listed as tight end. But i mean let's be honest. This is a receiver Six foot six two hundred and forty. Six pounds had twelve touchdowns last year with the gators. Forty three balls for seven hundred seventy yards but chris kaufman said and he said if you want to know how pits if you're in trouble imagining how pits at number three could impact miami's offense start watching twenty twenty highlights and mike evans chase. Claypool decay metcalf travis. Kelsey and darren waller. That's your homework and like you said he shows you these videos. He does kind of like the whole herbert's they you know. Here's the film you watch it. Here's what i see but you make your own decision so my question to you was this. We haven't talked about. Kyle pits You know we know. We have mike sickie. Everyone's very fond of him. But this guy is just a different breed and again some people just as a wide receiver and also some people believe he might be the best receiver in this class. So we see here. We focus on the dramatic chases. We focus on the devante. Smith's tell me. How would you feel if the dolphins and i know maybe this is crazy and again number three overall pick. Would you take a guy. Could you see the dolphins taken an impact player like this. Who again could be best non quarterback player in this draft. Jacomb your thoughts. Because we saw england tight ends could do and again. He's listed as a tight end. What are your thoughts watching those videos. Man you throw in place around there rag dolls and it was an absolute blast and you hit the nail on the head that that the too tight end system is not far fetched and liked this idea and this is why. I think it's important to knock. It worked up when we're talking about free agency because we legitimately have no idea what they're gonna do an draft that we had no idea what the plan is in. I could really really quickly. Warm up to the idea of kyle pits. Maybe even the trade down to a five or six. Where the quarterback ryan and you can have your cake and eat it too Signed me up josh. I don't think the move would break the bank. I think there's more than enough opportunities for both kazuki and kyle pits to be on the field together. I don't i think that'd be any sort of transition at the tight end position. I mean that was a nice rahmeh we saw last year. The dolphins scored more Touched onto the position. I think in history or back since like nineteen eighty-four or something crazy like that. Dan marino was going bananas. So josh signed me up for kyle pit someone who's just going to again. Get into the secondary and get those extra yards and find his end zone. I am absolutely on board. And there's a time when the patriots were paying tight ends and that's obviously for years down the road. That's obviously a long time from now. But it's a very interesting topic. And i think it's something that the dolphins and kaufman brought up. We should all be looking at. Because i think there is a lot of value there. I think you can always line up too tight ends. I think you can wind up both wide. I mean who knows. Maybe the dolphins will play a team that puts philip wheeler on one of them with the game on the line. That would be my dream after the call timeout after they called him. Oh my god. Oh the reggie bush go go go. Oh my god. I heard of the guy that was giving me planet packs. I was so triggered. Oh my god that such a sad time. You're going with this. I completely forgot. I was gonna say i think what i was gonna say is i think this is just another semester. While the dolphins can trade down again. I think you know peanut. Swale a f- f that name all season long. He'd be great there number three but if the dolphins have a team. That's gonna come up and get a quarterback and you can down the seven six or eight. You know somewhere in that area and then you can have devante. Smith jomar chaser cow pits. Whichever one of those guys falls in your lap the best case scenario then you have an extra first round pick that you got from trading back. I mean if the dolphins don't make shawn watson that should be the way they approach us and like like we said and like chris coffin. Said if you're not paying attention to cal pits. It's probably to do so. I keep seeing eighty-four jake. I don't know if. I see. Chris chambers flashing before my eyes or if i'm going even further than that and i see you know a randy moss. I said Had i don't see. I don't see any moss but eighty four. I had no choice. i don't blame. I don't blame you whatsoever josh. I think that's a great way to wrap it up. We got our mike. Schuermann gogo comments out of the way. 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AFC East breakdown, Gilmore, and that Marsh guy

Greg Bedard Patriots Podcast with Nick Cattles

38:47 min | Last week

AFC East breakdown, Gilmore, and that Marsh guy

"Four years, he's been rigged. The dog Patriots podcast with Nick cabins. I'm right. So it's time for another edition of the award-winning Greg Bedard Patriots podcast. The cattle's, I don't know what award we've won, but I'm going to roll with it anyway. Greg for this episode this week, we're going to take a look at the AFC East, we might get into a little bit of Cassius Marsh. We'll see with the Buffalo Bills. When you look at this division a lot of people would say that the bills are the heavy favorites. Do you agree with that assessment? Greg Bedard Not necessarily, I mean, I don't think that's going to shock anybody. But look are the bills really talented? Yeah, they are. Did they deserved win? The AFC East last year? Yeah. But if the Patriots get better quarterback play last year does a really end up the same way? I mean remember in the first match-up between the two teams, Buffalo the Patriots had the bills on the ropes and then Cam Newton got the ball punched out. I mean you look at the stats from the game and I put this in my column a couple of weeks ago when I looked at the bills. I mean the stats were exactly the same on both sides and that's with you know, Josh Allen the greatest quarterback in the league apparently and the greatest show on Turf that he's surrounded by. And he had, this is New England's passing stats for 15 and 25 174 yards. Josh Allen stats were eleven of 1854 yards in an interception. So dead, That first match up very close the Patriots in My Mind should have won that game. Cam Newton, doesn't get the ball punched out. They probably go in for a touchdown they rip the heart out of the bills. The bills might not recover the rest of the season but we do know the Cam Newton. Got the ball punched out. We know who was never the same after that. Right? And look, the bills came in here. Just did the Patriots the second time around. I wouldn't put much stock in that. We all knew that the Patriots were finished at that point in time they played like it. So you know, off of last year, the big difference was the cash back play. Well it changed this year, I don't know. But in terms of we do know that the Patriots have really increased their talent from what they brought in the bills didn't really talk to a whole lot. You know, they basically they're big addition was Emmanuel Sanders, who replaced John Brown? Who they let go old friend home? I dint Jacob Hollister. Oh like you can't replace is Tyler kroft. What we going to say? No, I just wanted to say, hey, Jacob, how're you doing? How's it going? Hey, a guy wanted back at the trade deadline last year we got we got Mitch trubisky in Buffalo boss, who I'm sure Patriots fans alike, yes, Mitch, rub that Mojo. All over Josh Allen like get next to him and meetings you know, cough on him a little bit, like, giving whatever you have passed off the Josh Allen cuz that's what we need. And look, they took two Edge rushers in the first couple of rounds. Gregory Russo and Carlos. I think his nickname, it's like off and bathroom. But outside of that they didn't really add a whole lot now. Looked, they need to add a whole lot know. And normally when you don't add much in the offseason, that's really, really good news. But I have some questions about this Bills team starting with their offensive line. I'm not sure how good they are. They couldn't stop the run at all last year and basically they're dead. Their way to solve that was to welcome back star lotulelei from covid-19 doubt and he's a good player when he's right, but he's not that good that. I mean, they were they were terrible to run last year which which helped the Patriots. And then I do think that they're week at cornerback outside of Navy has white. So I I think that the bills are ripe for the taking for the right team. I think the Patriots have the formula to take them down. And look, let's be honest, the big X Factor is does Josh Allen revert to the mean, I mean, because what he did last year is completely out of character to his high school college and first couple of years in the NFL right? Did he took the light go on and that's who he is. And he's in these great cuz there's no no question that he's uber-talented and could do everything at the quarterback position that you want or off. Was he sort of inflated by not having fans in the stands and things like that. You know, was, was that sort of the aberration. And so, you know, you put all those things together, Nick off, I think. And I'm not just, I'm not a Patriots Homer. Everybody knows that. And I wouldn't just be saying this. I do think that the Patriots, if they get good quarterback play, I think that they, they could contend with the bills all season long and I think that the AFC East could be really tight. I think the bills are the favourites, they've got the best quarterback and and as we know when you look across the NFL, usually if you have the best quarterback in the division that gives you the best chance to win. So I would say they're the favorites. I don't like the word heavy. I don't know if they're significant. Favorites, heavy favorites, huge favorites. I would say their favorites. I think they can be better defensively. Milano had some injury issues last year he should help if he's out there for all Seventeen. Their offensive line has been a somewhat inconsistent. If you look at Pro Football Focus they have them in the top half. They've got him at like thirteen or fourteen as far as rankings go for that offensive line. So I do think they have some room to grow up front page. They're not Flawless and there is opportunity Greg as you point out. The biggest thing to me is Josh Allen and Brian table, will they suffer some kind of regression if you look in past years. In quarterbacks have historic years for their own careers right when they have their career best seasons and all of that. It's very difficult to follow up on that season with another incredible impeccable season. So I would expect Alan and able to both take a slight step back. I'm not saying us huge set step back, significant step back but I do think that Alan will not be as good as he was a year ago. I do think the league will adjust to him, he will have to adjust to those adjustments. So if you expect at least a slight regression from the offense, that means I pointed out. You need more from the defense and you need more from other aspects of your football team. This run game last year was incredibly inconsistent. They need to run the football every single week. They need to be consistent in the backfield. They need their defense to be consistent as you pointed out. They need their defense to be consistent, especially against the run. And when you look at that schedule, I know I tugged. On this a little bit on the last podcast. But if you look at that schedule for the bills, it's pretty difficult through the beginning of the schedule. And then from, you know, November right? Before Thanksgiving too late, December. They have a very, very difficult road so do I think they're the favorites? Yes I do. Do I think they are a significant favorite? A gigantic Gap from them to the rest of the vision? I think some of that has been over, you know, talked about and I think we over rate them just a little bit. I think they're I think they're good. I think they could be arguably the third or fourth best team in the AFC this year long, but they need pretty much everything to go. Right? For that to happen. When you look at the rest of this division, Let's look at Miami, right? Because I think that next team New England fans are looking at Buffalo first, Miami. Second, the Jets. Third, that's where your priorities lie within this division. So let's look at Miami. Let's look at some of the strengths and some of the weaknesses Greg that you see from that football team last year, believe they won ten games. They did not get into the playoffs. Yep. Which is very difficult to do in a sixteen game schedule. Usually, when you win 10 games, you got a great shot, they missed out but they did win 10 games. What do you make of the Dolphins? Heading into twenty Twenty-One, you gotta start with two a month and look. Now he's on an island. I mean, at least last year they had Ryan Fitzpatrick around who you know, they did sort of engage. He started the year then they put two and two a struggled and Fitzpatrick got in the game and then suddenly with the gate with the season on the line. In the season finale against Buffalo, basically winner. Winner done And Fitzpatrick tested positive for Coben. He was not available into a stunk up the joint. I mean they got they got killed by the bills. Get a meaningless game for the bills. Yep. And to a place like three interceptions and, you know, he was, he was awful in the game. And if it's Patrick was available to a would have been pulled probably in the first quarter, and now there's no net loss. Kobe burset, was brought in as the back up. But, you know, he's not really a threat to win a whole lot of games, if it doesn't work out with two is so they, you know, they're putting all their chips onto a home and I think that that might be a little bit of trouble. Now, look, he's going to have a lot to throw to. He's got DeVante Parker, get sick. He's a good tight end. They brought in will Fuller and drafted Jaylen waddle. So there is Talent there depends on how much you believe in will Fuller. I don't believe in will Fuller very much. Just his hamstring is bound to pop at some point and he'll be down for three or four games. He's all about Suspended per week. One for Peds. He has not played more than 11 games since his rookie season. That's a lot to bet on that guy. I will say ninja about the Dolphins. I think their defense is excellent. Even with Josh Boyer as the defensive coordinator there, who I'm not, the biggest fan of that, there's a lot of Talent on that defense on all three levels. They are a little bit leaky against the run and I think the Patriots stealing Davon godchaux from them was key and you know, might weaken them a little bit. But the offensive line in basically we're going to say it for almost all three of these other teams. And this is where I think the Patriots have a big Advantage. I think that they, if you look at all the teams in the division and you stacked them all up, you would say the Patriots are far and above the best offensive line. And now with all the, all the changes they made in the offseason. Yep. Might be the best up front on the defensive line and if you believe in that and I do, that's a good sign for the Patriots cuz I don't think the Dolphins offensive line is very good. I don't think the the Jets offensive line is not that good, even with becton and Elijah Vera Tucker, who they drafted on the left side. I think there's a lot of holes there. I think the Dolphins have a lot of holes there. And here's the other thing off and it's an X Factor Nick when it comes to the Dolphins. You now have when it comes to like Kyle Van Noy and Ted Karras. And there might be a couple of other guys who went down the coach Flores down there in Miami and especially when you're Kyle Van Noy oi, let's let's be honest, he got screwed over by the Dolphins and Flores took him to a contract and after one year and he did exactly what he did here down there and they basically cut his ass. So he's got a lot of motivation and you know how much Kyle Van Noy talks and how he's going to be in the ear of all those guys all week when it's Dolphins week him and and I know Ted Karras did not need to his Dolphins experience as well. So I think the Patriots have a little bit something for the Dolphins personally this year and I think when you combine that I like the I like the Patriots to finish ahead of friends this year. I mean that and also the two of factor look, the dolphins dolphins are good solid team and they'll win their share games. But I think there are issues with the quarterback with the offensive line, their run defense, plus the intangibles. I like the, I like the Patriots over the Dolphins. This year, the strength of this team to me for Miami's the secondary. They've got a job down there. They've got to stud Corners, Byron Jones, xavien Howard out there on the outside. They drafted Jevon Holland. In the second round, hill play safety. They have a lot of talent in Secondary, as you mentioned, they have talent really at all three levels on the defense, but it really does begin and end with two of in what I would say about this team is they're banking on their youth to make big leaps first with two. I hate how they handled him last year Cass ended, they sat him for the first several games. You had Ryan Fitzpatrick playing, literally some of the best football he played. If you look at statistically, he was playing some of the best football he had ever played in his NFL career. If not the best football over about four or five weeks, and at that point, they decide to sit him. So they they bench Fitzpatrick who was playing great, they throw to it in and listen, if you're going to make that move then you stand by the move and you keep to walk in. You have to live and die by to her. Once you make that move to him. He's a top-five pick. He's your future at quarterback. You can't be pulling him in and out of games and they did it twice wage. Benched him twice. And as you mentioned that last game of the year was a debacle now in this year and there are questions to me. Write some of the team on the season was over. They were talking to the media Armando salguero down there in Miami. There were several players. They of course, went anonymously. But there were several players talking about to a and how he didn't look good at practice and they had questions about him, etc. Etc. And then you bring in all of this Talent, which is good for him. But the offensive coordinator situation. You and I have talked about this Brian Flores changes. Oh, Sees like you change his underwear. He doesn't know what he wants to do on that side of the football first. It was O'Shea. Then it was gaily. Now, they have not one, but two offensive coordinators, cuz I guess if you can't get along with one guy tried to and maybe one of them will work out, I don't know who's calling the plays. So what's happening here is there's a lot of new right. 4 to 2 is going to learn a new playbook birth. It's been said by some of the Dolphins players on offense that this is a completely different system than what they ran last year. So this will be too, as third offense, in three years with a rookie play-caller with a bunch of new guys that he hasn't played with a ton. Right. I mean, obviously, he's got the college experience with bottle but you're bringing Fuller. I don't know about their run game. I don't know if Myles Gaskin is the guy to sit here and Rave about. And most of all, when you talk about the offensive line Greg, which you hit on, not much to add other than this. They brought in three young guys last year, they weren't good. The offensive line, struggled mightily, wage. They need pretty much all of their young offensive lineman. To take a big step. If they get a big step collectively, the offensive line has a chance, but your banking on a lot of Youth upfront and your banking on to a and if to, it doesn't say, well, this year, get ready? If the Sean Watson's back in a league? If Aaron Rodgers, still wants out, if Russell Wilson's having issues with Petey Carol, as he's chomping, his gum on the sidelines, get wrong because I think Miami might be looking for a quarterback. If two is not good this year. So a lot of questions about the Dolphins, I agree with you. I like New England better than Miami right now. Let's wrap it up in the divorce with the Jets. What say you about Robert Saleh and that organization right now? As we head into the season? Yeah, I think that when you talk about the Jets, they they may have had a mini Patriots, off-season plan where they added a lot and free agency. I think they spent the fourth-most and guaranteed money and look they got talent Carl Lawson from the Bengals game. Pensive and wide receiver. Corey Davis who a lot of Patriots fans wanted. I'll just tell you this right now. The Patriots has zero interest in Corey Davis. They just I can't give you specifics but I you know that they he was not on their list and that's why they went straight for a Galore and Kendrick born and just passed over Corey, David Corey Davis was out there for a long time. They could have signed, and they passed on Shaq Rankin's. The nose tackle from the Saints, good player, when he's healthy Gerard. Davis, the linebacker from the Lions Vinny Curry Lamarcus Joyner. Look I we can make the same criticisms that I'm about to make about the Jets and their free-agent class about the Patriots because the Patriots their signings weren't exactly high on production which is which is what you're trying to do. You're trying to get guys getting into their Prime so the the price tag isn't that high losses? Never really been a full-time Player dead. And see. Is he ready for that? Corey Davis. There are a lot of questions around the league on whether he can be like a number one. Rankings is hurt all the time talented. But her dog. I'm Davis undersized. Good football player. I love Vinny Curry. I think he's the oldest guy now on the Jets, but he only signed for like, a million something. And I think he's, I think he's going to be a really good signing for him, Marcus Joyner stinks. No matter where you put them in the secondary, then the teams he's have, tried cornerback safety, whatever. He's just not, he's he he does not live up to his reputation. So you know, I start there and and how are they going to fit those puzzle pieces? And then you go into, I think they're forced for draft picks when you talk about Zach, Wilson, Elijah, Veritas, Elijah more the slot receiver, who? I think a lot of the Patriots draft, Nick community probably including you. Nick really wanted the Patriots to get in the second round. Apparently he's been unbelievable. Will in the offseason practices and you know, running back Michael Carter, who's a good player? They brought in a lot of talent and they have a new coach and Robert Saleh wage. The word on the street is that he is going to play the kids all over the place. That could I think that means a step back for them this year. I mean, I don't know how you can go back from Two and fourteen, but moved somewhere in the same area. And so I think they've had a lot of changes. One thing you could definitely say about the Jets and you could say it about all the teams in this division, really out of the Patriots is they have a ton of talent, a wide receiver that they might even be looking to get rid of some Zion know. You know they had Denzel Mims and Jamison Crowder last year, but Mims was running with the second-team in practices. They sign Keelan Cole. They have Elijah more. They have a lot of stuff for exact Wilson throw too, but like I mentioned earlier, Is Zach Wilson, going to be upright to find these guys cuz I do think they're going to have a good left side of the line Morgan Moses who they signed as a street freedom from from Washington p. A decent player. And he's certainly an upgrade over George Fant that they had there last year, but I still don't think they're all that good there and center and Right Guard are still average-at-best. So I think that the Jets slash have some issues on the offensive line just like everybody else. Outside of the Patriots. In this division, they've added a lot of talent, but I just think this is this is going to be a rebuilding year and it's really, I think if you're the Jets and you're Robert Saleh, you're just trying to get guys experienced this year. Put them in position to where pays off next year or the year after that, because I, I have a hard time seeing it all come together near one. Yeah, the way I see. It is listed. The Jets organization, the whole Mike maccagnan, Adam gase disaster. They're still recovering from that, the best news for jets fan club, That it does seem like Joe Douglas has a plan, which is nice and he has infused this roster with some Talent. The question was Zach Wilson is Kenny handle the pressure. Can you handle the Tight Windows? May be why you? It was an offense that you know, gave him time. He wasn't really dealing with getting hit. The question is with that offensive line. As you mentioned there are some holes, will they be able to protect civil enough for him? And if not does, he turn into a pumpkin during his rookie season? But I like a lot of what they did. I think Douglas brought in some talented guys. I don't know if it's going to just pull it together in year. One like Tada, it's unbelievable. We just put it all together and you know we mixed some young and old and it was a perfect combination. I also always wonder about a rookie head coach. I know, I understand I have heard all the talk about Robert. Saleh people are in love with them because he jumps up and down on the sidelines and every single game that San Francisco was on, they would pan to him and he he got more FAQ Retirement Kyle Shanahan at times. I understand the love for Robert Saleh and I get Richard Sherman and guys like that speaking up for their coach, he could end up being great or he could be a complete dud. None of us know how many guys who are star coordinators in the next guy to take over. End up being a head coach and they can't handle it. May be solid can handle it. I don't think we know that until we see it, so I'm not going to sit here and say they made a tremendous higher in Robert Saleh. We don't know. So we'll see how that works out. There are also very young and I think their secondary sucks so wage. If they can, you know, if they can. I mean I'll give you know, Marcus Mays. Okay. But you know when you look at the rest I think that secondary needs help. I don't think they're there yet. Wage would say the Jets fans and I know a few guys who who love the Jets and they know this, I think this is not the year, it's the beginning of the plan. Maybe next year you're looking at, you know, 895 Men's and then maybe a pop in 2023 this season, I could see them when five games I could see them when seven games somewhere in that area, but they're just not ready yet. So there you go, the the wage. I think Greg and I agree on pretty much everything. The Buffalo Bills are the favorites, but they're probably not as big of a favorite as some of the national media will tell you they are. I think the Patriots took the second best team on paper right now, in this Division, I think the Dolphins are right behind them, and the Jets are bringing up the rear. We'll see how it all plays out, you know? This might change as we get rid of kick off the football and September, we'll see how the next few weeks play out, but I think that's, you know, kind of the, the solid grouping in the only issue that some may have is flip-flopping New England in Miami. Maybe some people believe Miami is better than New England. I don't, let's talk about how the Patriots and Stephon. Gilmore will just touch on this for a couple of minutes log. Spoke with Joseph Anderson over the weekend, pretty much the gist. He wants to get paid. He believes he deserves to get paid one of the things that jumped out at me, as far as the quote to Josie name was. You know, are you going to be ready for camp and he said something along the lines of, if I need to be. Yeah. You know, how to start the discussion that you and I touched on a little bit odd, but really didn't dive deep into, you know, is he going to be out there for Camp? Is he going to show the Patriots that he's healthy? Or does he sit back and say, no, I'm going to wait. I'm making seven million on the base are so right now, you guys went and spent hundreds of millions of dollars in free agency, I deserve a pay raise and I'm not going to risk further injury or doing something to my body until you show me the proper quote, unquote respect, what do you make of the comments to Josina Anderson Greg? And are we pretty much just at a stalemate right now for the next few months? What Gilmore? Sure, seems like it. I mean, I I don't think that I don't think much has changed with this comments and I I think that look, I think Stefan was just being honest. And yeah, he thinks he has a certain worth. I would say under normal circumstances that would probably align with the Patriots, especially considering they haven't done anything at the cornerback position draft free and she, you know, really nothing. And but and I just don't think that that gets resolved that, you know, because of the injury situation and how Stefan's play declined a little bit last year, I I don't see how that resolves itself without Stefan coming to camp, taking his physical taking part getting off of pop and who knows when that might happen? I mean I think in all likelihood he reports he doesn't pass his physical because of his leg and he's on p, u p Reserve. P u p until he does with his physical, which I think will happen. Probably closer to the season. And look, I'm just guessing, I'm not telling you that I know. And I don't see how the Patriots, give him a huge race now, and I think you've brought it up. Nick, could they find some situation where it's incentive-based, where they could look stuff on? We want you to get your money. We're happy to pay you. But we can't, you can't expect us to go on a leap in a prayer where we haven't even seen you on a practice field. So here's what we're going to do, we're going, we're going to give you you know, per game, whatever incentives, whatever. And if if you hit it, if we hit it, then you're like 15 million dollars for the season, right? You know, a fair and then then we we part ways or we discuss a longer-term deal during the season, or after the season, but I just don't see how the Patriots unless they're very, very generous. That they all of a sudden Pony up and they say, oh yeah sure Stefan, you know that list of quarterbacks that you tweeted about and we're complaining about we're going to boot you boost you up there into the top five took off of a torn quad. I just don't see how that happens. And so I think this goes for a while, I think that stuff on is going to have to report. He's going to, he's going to have to show that he's home. The, I think they do find some common ground that smart for both sides. Bill Moore's, agents, very smart. We know that Gilmore's very What's the word I would use business? He has a lot of business savvy when it comes to his contract. He knows his worth, he's not going to cheap out and and so I thought you think this gets resolved later in training camp but I do think it gets resolved. I think he's happy. I think he plays well here and I think they go from their home. Yeah I mean I think he does get back I just don't see them working out a trade so late. I don't think he wants to be dealt. He said that to Josina I don't think they want to deal him. I think something gets done. The one purchasing point is that they don't have the Tom Brady security blanket anymore. And what I mean by that is you know, in past years you might be able to apply a little bit of pressure to a player in this situation and say hey look you know Tom a little less he's the best player in the game. You know how about you taking a little bit less Patriots? Don't really have that angle to work off of right now. So Gilmore The only thing I'll say is every player has the right to believe they're worth, they're worth. It's tough to argue that, he's not worth more money than seven million dollars. I think all of us would have him as a top-five cornerback is not the best quarterback in the league. He's, you know, I would have him the top three at least so he certainly deserves the more money but the Patriots, you know, they kind of have the leverage cuz he took the 1-year dlf so he can't do much of anything but say I'm going to sit out and if you sit out, I don't know how that helps you, or you going to walk it in next season being Thirty-One years old, not playing a full year after a quad injury and surgery. So he knows he's going to eventually, get on the field, the Patriots know, they eventually have to have him on the field that tells me, it'll get done. The only thing I would say, other than that, before we move on wage, is that I do wish the Patriots invested in a cornerback in the draft. Because I think that would have given them a little bit more leverage and you would have felt a little bit better about this. Secondary depth McCourty, walks wage. JC Jackson's been good but how much of that is Gilmore helping him in jail and Mills? We've talked about him. I don't think he's the answer at corner so I would have loved to see the Patriots. Invest in Iraq, back in the draft. They didn't, listen, that's, that's me, picking, you know, it's a little nitpick. I thought there often riffic overall but I would have liked to see something done. Do we care about? Cassius Marsh what he said? Greg, I don't understand why this, why some Patriots fans get all riled up about Cassius Marsh and how he came here and he did not have any fun and he didn't get his lunch. Somebody should have gotten him. Somebody should have gotten him a little patriots, like lunch pail and filled it up every day. You wanted his chicken sandwich and fries with honey mustard on the side. He wanted his kids meal for lunch that and and I was waiting for him to say like he didn't get his nap time in the morning. Light, you know, did he needed to hit? Didn't need this knapsack wage. And it's like, my my my son when he left my wife, a note that said when he was in preschool, he said Mommy member my rest towel and I am I think the Cassius Marsh need to just you needed a few more naps. He needed a few more lunch time. Did he want a book club too? While he was here? Like look, it's Cassius Marsh is on his like, a Thursday NFL team. We all know his deal. Plenty of people have played here and liked it. Is it hard? Yes. Is it, are they? Do they win? Because it's hard. Yes, boss. And so if it's for it's just like any other job, you some people fit certain places and some people don't and Cassius Marsh does not fit half a year. It was a disaster the whole time. He, he was a terrible player. I can't believe they actually gave up something for him and trade with Seattle and just just ignore wage. He's a big baby who couldn't hack it here. Plenty of other players have be happy with the guys who have stuck around a long time. And there's a lot of those players who continually re-upped with the Patriots, there's a reason why Cassius Marsh keeps talking about the Patriots. It's because Cassius Marsh knows that'll get himself in the headlines and and help have something to say and maybe somebody will want to talk to him. It's Cassius Marsh am moving on. Boston Sports channel. I'm member question of the day, check them out. Over at bsj thirty, nine ninety-nine, anual plan top-notch, analysis of all the Boston Pro Sports, your patch junkie. Of course, this means you get access to a ton of video analysis that the door does on the coaches film and direct access to him and weekly chats. Let's go to the crazy world of Troy Brown. So this wasn't really a question. It was more of a statement but I figured it was a good talking point, so that is true. That is true. It is a statement, not necessarily a question and I do wonder if this person is related to Dolton Keen, but here here's wage. The crazy world of Troy Brown had to say, Kean is a big twitch tight end. He's a big Edelman. Greg, it's up to McDaniel. You work him in. That's what the statement says. It's up to McDaniels, took him in loved his college. Tape kid, played hard and soft hate to lose that. We're always too impatient with rookies. Let's see how this plays out. I still have confidence in Dalton, so a little background on this. This came off of my Sunday column where I did questions on five key Patriots heading into twenty Twenty-One, so we sort of lingering questions and if people want to, you know, make sure they're bsj memberships are up-to-date and want to read this. So, the other questions were, can I say a win? Be effective without Joe to knee, which I think is a legit question. Cuz I think that when really benefited from Tunis and now he's going to have, you know, Michael when you who you know, didn't hasn't really played there in, the NFL is JC Jackson really had a dog Elite status, which I think some people take for granted, which I'm not really sure about. Well Damien Harris. Be a playmaker I think is legit question. I think we I know you're the charter member of the Damien Harris. And and I'm I'm right there with you. But you know, Willy stay on the field. And will he do that? And also another question was, how does Kyle Duggar get enough playing time? Cuz I think that kid needs to play with it better, but would fill ups and McCourty, and Jalen Mills, you know, I just worry about, I worry a little bit about Kyle Duggar sort of being forgotten And just pack is a sub-package linebacker slash safety, right? And the other question I had was what style of full back to the Patriots. Want. And what does that mean for adult and keen? And not so, not to get all into it. But basically last year, the Patriots started with the idea of, okay, James devlin's gone. We were moving away from the sled. Hammer only fullback and we want to bring in more athletic ability, more, Mitch mismatch stuff in the passing game, sort of like the 49ers have done that Kyle use check and the bigger question is, does Josh McDaniels in the Patriots? Do they still want to do that? Because Dan Vitality is gone. He was southbound free agency to come over and be that athletic fullback. He opted out never played. I think he retired I think he might have retired this offseason I think that. Yeah and that's so that leaves you with Jakob Johnson who we all love, who know, you know, we all know, he hits the whole heart and blows people up and I love I love the guy and I think there's a value that I think that the Patriots always like that but Considering where they are this year with Titans. You still have Devin asiasi, you might have Matt lacosse for how long. When when it comes to configuring a roster. Can you just call this Dalton Keen? Still have a place on this roster? I entered when they drafted him. He did. But has the has the math changed because of what they want to do at fullback and I think it's a liquid, your question. And, you know, so the Troy Brown, they're crazy world of Troy Brown. My my question and commentary about that. Wasn't about dog. I think he has the potential to be good player. I also like this College film. I think that he has a chance to be sort of like a modern-day crash. Jim Jensen, who was one of my favorite dolphins, growing up dead but my question was more about have the have the Patriots out of necessity? Change the, the direction of their offense and does Dalton Keen still fit into that. And I think it's, I think it's a legit question. And I think it's going to be a question that goes on all the way through training came down to Final Cut Downs, where the Patriots say, they look at the math and they're just like, all right, well how many wide receivers are we taking more importantly, how many tight ends slash full box? Are we taking? I mean, if if you're going Johnny Smith, founder Henry and say, Devin asiasi because I think what we saw in the off-season practices LED you to believe, okay, there might be something there. So those three Place Johnson that's for Dalton Keene is going to be a v, like really does he do enough, is he going to do enough? Is he going to be good enough to get on the field in that Kyle, you check roll this year back to earn a roster spot. I just have a lot of questions about that. So I thought it was a legitimate question. I'm not saying I had the answers, but I think I think his roster spot is definitely up for grabs wage on. What happens with injuries direction of the offense, once we get the camp. Yeah, I wouldn't call him a big Adelman but I like, I like him. You like him. This Podcast Thursday, we are both fans of Dalton Keen. We think he can fit as an h-back, if the patriots feel like they have a spot for him, I think he could add to this team. But as you said, it's a numbers game. And when you bring in the title, wage brought in the receivers, they brought in, it gets a little tougher to make the team. That's just kind of the nature of the game. I hope they hold onto him, I hope they find a way because as the crazy world of Troy birth, John pointed out. I think this is true. A lot of people get impatient with rookies and I think looking back at last year with the cove at situation and all of that, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to all the rookies from last year. I am, that's just how it is. And if they stink this year then we can reevaluate and talk about it. But due to the circumstances of No rookie Camp, no minicamp, no training camp. No preseason games, no joint practices and getting plopped into a season Keen was hurt as well. Last year, which is another question because again, at the beginning of Camp season here, he was a little banged up. Again, can you get on the field? Can he stay healthy back? If he goes through the whole pre-season banged-up, I don't think he's going to make the team, but we both liked him. He could find a spot. We hope he finds a spot because that means the Patriots. Have a specific role for him. Will they? We don't know the graveyard Patriots podcast, with Nick cattles wrapping it up. We gave you a look at the AFC East, we talked about Stephon Gilmore. We didn't talk much about Thankfully, Cassius Marsh and there's you're an adult and gained a lot of information for you. Everybody enjoy the rest of your week. Until next time, we'll see you.

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The Bad (and Good!) of the AFC East | NFL Deep Dive

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The Bad (and Good!) of the AFC East | NFL Deep Dive

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Call five six two three one four four six three for complete details would welcome to the m. qb monday morning nfl podcast. I'm gary gramling. I'm practice or and guys. We have arrived at part three of our activity. I believe it is fhu. Yeah yeah we're bringing it back all of these Yeah this is our division preview. tala g we We have already done to them. We are at the unveiling this if people haven't already like seeing the title or description but We'll build up the drama a little bit the afc east. Can you believe it already. We in the pre show meeting We came up with a really interesting tagline for the afc switches. This division sucks trying to come up with a lotta nice things to say about the. Afc east is is difficult to say the least yes well and also i wanna take a second to acknowledge the fact that we have gotten several excellent guesses for the order that we're going in and the most popular response. We got was guessing that we are going in cumulative wins per division for most to least however by doing the afc east today that is out and then we got another great gas. This one was very creative fellows. It says. I don't know why i just called you. Fellows that was very counterclockwise conference alternating. Would so they guest. Afc afc north nfc west and next would be afc south okay so really by going afc east this week we are throwing everything into chaos. We are and by the way when you said fellow is i. I was wondering if you during the show with some other people. That's that's that's definitely never come on this show. Yeah it's i'm look. We do have the prize out there. The sticker one sticker do you get more than one. I mean i have a whole stack so we could send many as is requested if you can also have the college idea of my former at also table. I'm holding right here in front of me a lot. Lot of a lot of utility to these prizes here it can be. It can be a sticker. You can leave the back on and it can be just not a sticker just a very small sign you know i have to say. I don't know that people are going to guess it. Because i loved the cumulative winds theory but i have to tell everybody who's listening that that is a little bit too objective. This is a more subjective type of ranking so cracking it will require you to get into the mind of gary gramling which after working with him for eight years. Now i have yet to be able to do a fair warning. Just a maze of madness. This is going to be good. This is going to be better than the ending of lost. Keep sending the gets in the we will send you a prize. If you get it right. I don't think so keep guessing. I promised i would have a hot take on the show this week by the way gary and so you were on the receiving end of it. That was my hot carey's mind is indecipherable started. For the roast of all the insults. I take on a weekly basis at this place. That was fine. It's actually not an insult. If you gotta a certain yeah it could it could be competently a compliment. It could be. We call that positive reframing in the that's good all right let's dive into this thing. We're doing the usual categories biggest off season edition veteran biggest offseason addition rookie. Most valuable non quarterback most interesting coach. And then of course we will have the mad lib and we will wrap up with. Our predictions are coaches poll style predictions of how this will go in the afc east. But we are starring with biggest off season edition veteran. And we'll start with jenny all right. So i'm starting out with a patriots edition from another team in the division. Kyle van noy coming back to new england. This is also in hand with dante hightower returning from his opt out last year. Basically the point being is the middle of the patriots. Defense will get a lot better. We saw a patriots defense last season. That didn't look anything like the defense the year before and there were a lot of reasons for that i mean they had losses on the defense they had players opting out etc etc. But i really feel like the return of anouilh is going to be one of those essential pieces to getting the patriots back to where they have been in the division for a long time and that hot take us for later in the show. Gary and connor So my pick here is kyle van noy and also i mean it was an expensive one year signing for the dolphins they cut him obviously the cap constricted with as a result of the pandemic but he ends up back in new england and he'll be playing site hightower again. And i feel like this defense is going to be on the upswing and before this we did look up the patriots defensive stats last year. Which are actually. Were not as bad as i thought they were. But generally overall we know what we saw on the field from the patriots defense and is not. We've come to expect from bill checks teams. They were a little all over the place last year. Like like i run. They shut down the cardinals and then but then they had games like when the bills went there late in the season and sort of looked like they might score two hundred points in that game so very up and down defense uneven to say the least i am actually going with the will fuller down in miami and i'm not gonna this as the as the biggest best player who entered the division but i think stylistically it's really interesting fit and he's very interesting player to. I'll get to that in a second but it's a really interesting fit because what you saw last year with. His dolphins receiving core not only did they struggle to stay healthy between devante parker. Impressing williams parker. Millions are kind of similar big body. Contested catch type of guys and in fuller. You just get a different kind of style. You get that guy. And he's more than deep dark but you do get a guy who takes top of the defense. He's gonna create separation. Look they have keen grant. They they've had is sort of in that speedster mold but those guys are all guys had in the past where kind of gadget type guys fuller's much more complete receiver here and then you know. Obviously on top of that. He's on one year deal again. He's going to be suspended for the first game. This season going back to last year's a pd suspension. So it's sort of a make or break year again for him. We we saw last offseason. How hard it is for receivers to get these. These big mega contracts at this point with all the Just absurdly deep draft classes coming into position. So it's a big year for fuller. He certainly makes sense as a complement to devante parker in that offense and and look they. We know they draft two years ago. We they stuck with to even had the the number three pick. They could move on if they wanted to. This is the kind of thing you do to build around your on quarterback and and obviously they. They added jalen waddell as well. But fuller's kinda guy who. I think you can plug in their early in the season and by the end of september. You might have something going here as far as vertical passing game. that just wasn't really there The way you it to be a year ago. Yeah and i like fuller too. I think that's a good pick. Just because that texans actually started using him not just exclusively in that burner like if you look at his route tree it kinda did diversify last year and i think that shows that you could do more than that you know and i know that. There's some relationships between those staffs. I'm sure they communicate you know. There's probably some stuff that they learned from watching the texans last year they can incorporate. I mean anything to get to a space right. He needs space to throw the ball. I think he needs a little bit more. You know they say open in the nfl and air quotes is not really open. It's you know you have to project the guy being open. I think we might need a little open in air quotes right for the first year or two while gets his feet under his feet under him and and fuller. That signing definitely does that. I'm going to assign. That just happened like a week ago. Less than a week ago. I think it was officially announced Checks watch The day that we are recording this podcast. But i think that the The morgan moses signing by the jets is huge And while. I think we can't be too quick to give joe douglas too much credit right away To have a right tackle to sort of anchor that offensive line and a guy. Who's at least should be vaguely familiar with the kind of offense that going to try to run. I think is big. And i'm i'm kinda worried about the jets offensive line as a whole because you know you have mci becton. And everyone's like oh. How great is this. You know he's going to anchor the left side but a big bopper like mci becton is not really what you want in an outside zone running scheme because you want those guys to be up and out of their stance in sprinting You know horizontally really quickly. And that's really not what he does. Well and so i think the more good offensive linemen the jets can find the better To try to compensate for some of this. Because i do think it's going to be kind of a patchwork deal for them for a little bit and we'll get to that later on with the rookie thing but they just cannot afford to have. What has happened with their lasts like ten first round quarterbacks. Happen zack wilson. They can't just have a guy who's tortured behind lines constantly. Sam darnold sacked. Once every twelve plays last year Which is insane and You know so. They can't have that roster gifts going to waste another number two overall graphic. Yeah and because they don't have a veteran transition plan. Zack wilson is their plan. Makes the line even that much more important. Also wanna shout out your use of big bopper. Big bopper mac ten. Ooh yeah. that's i don't know a teacher brand ship. Yeah yeah. I think we know a guy. Get a t shirt. Get some hanes regular t shirts and just just writing sharpie on it. See where it goes. See if there's a market for it Biggest offseason addition rookie. Why don't you just keep cooking with your jets off into line. Yeah let's just. Let's let's continue this offense of line monologue that everybody came to the podcast here So allies avera tucker and Is mine and joe. Douglas traded up to make this happen. i think that a lot of people who had been sniffing around on the jets pre-draft had thought that maybe robert solve is gonna get another edge rusher to pair and cut a book end and complete that defensive line but the fact that they traded up to get allies ver- tucker shows how important he is to make this whole thing work. And you know. I talked to jeff schwartz who was a eight t eight year An fell pro about the outside zone. A little freaked a couple of times and he said the one thing that people don't understand is how integral that guard position is to running that offense to and for example. You know the titans got roger. Sappho old from the rams a couple years ago because they needed him to make that work. It doesn't work without roger cellphone and still the jets. Think elijah vera tucker. Is there roger sappho right. We need a guy that can get out there and run. We need a guy who's gonna be able to do blocks x y and z really. Well and so. I think that that's huge. Because if the system works right when you're trying to marry the run in the past. That gives zack wilson. The kind of time that he was used to byu. And if it doesn't then zack. Wilson is gonna have to learn to throw faster than he's ever thrown in his life which he gets he still is but to a point of uncomfortable -bility and i think that's where we're going to get into trouble because zack wilson was not touched last year. Byu i think he was pressured. Once every thirty. Three or four snaps. Because i had to look that up recently. That's not a lot that's like two or three times a game you know and so. That's that's a pretty incredible thing to have. And he's not going to have that. Note the jets but with tucker you might at least be able to simulate the experience a little bit much offensive line play. I was just gonna say conor is talking about blocking schemes in which players will make them work and for my pick for biggest offseason edition rookie. I picked the patriots quarterback. So i'm the basic one. I went with mac jones. You know the easy obvious. Pick here. But i i really am entry because this is the year when the post brady era really begins in new england. Last year was kind of this weird gap here. We saw it with all the patriots. Opt outs talked about this before. But when there was discussions of if the would train stefan gilmore before the season last year that that was a signal from ballot check. That last year was kind of a wasted year. They didn't have that. Seamless brady to the next guy transition okay. They had a gap year. But now will really see. How is the post. Brady chapter looking. How is the plan developing. What will the patriots do with the highest quarterback. Bill belichick has ever drafted so. I am very intrigued. I don't know when mack jones will start. I don't know if it'll be him in cam. Newton some crazy offense together game plan specific week to week. There's a lot of options here but in my view i am probably the most excited to see what will happen with this rookie. Just because of all of the implications that come with being the first quarterback drafted in the first round by ballot. Check a year after brady leaves a love to that. I think it was. Mike giardi at nfl network. Who had in this. This is what amounts to spicy anonymous quote in new england right now but it's There's an anonymous patriots veteran. That said max sees the offense. The way josh does and it was like plastered. Or you're like whoa whereas like anyone would say that about any quarterback in any other place but in new england it's like whoa like wow look at that But i i love. I mean i love the idea of splitting time between these two. I mean we've talked about this forever. But if mack jones is able to take the wheel. I mean. I think this is just to be fascinating. Like you know. We've never i think this says as much about josh mcdaniels and they'll bella check and i don't know it's just very exciting and i think that there's a lot of people that thought. That really did think he was going number three like he was valuable enough to number three. So i don't know. There's a lot of exciting components here. We've had kind of a nice pallet cleanser with mac jones since draft season. Because i know kyle shanahan was sort of talking on this aisle know we kind of had everyone fooled and everyone thought we were taking mack jones but trains guides et cetera the real victim and all that was mag jones because all these forty niners fans like i will burn the city to the ground of take mack jones guys. He's it's fine like they'll be fine if they take mack jones they didn't and amac jones was not sort of caught up in that whole thing and just went fifteenth. I don't think there would have been this. Just really weird wave of negativity towards him and look. Maybe he ends up. Not being a great. Nfl quarterback and then we can all sort of I don't know we we can. We can threaten to burn cities down then but Yeah it got like super ugly. Some of the discussion surrounding jones as a potential number three overall pick. And i guess it also just shows how silly he went fifteen. It was twelve picks later in like he win in round six also. When did fans get so incredibly violent like that. They're just threatening to burn cities to the ground. I remember growing up. A young browns fan. And i was incredibly excited about every draft. Pick that the franchise made. When i had no reason to be like. I was like william green from boston college in the first round. Like how did we get so lucky. Like you know who's a gerard warren. Oh my god. I have gerard more in jersey in my closet psych right. Oh yeah an alternate orange one And so yeah. I don't know. I mean i think back jones is going to be good and i think that the reason that a lot of people thought he was going number three it was because not necessarily connected to the forty niners but i think that there are a lot of coaches that were talking to people. They're asking around before the draft. That were like yeah. He's the third best quarterback in the draft. Like he's these good. He's very good. And i heard some people say that they even thought he was the second best quarterback in the draft. And so i don't know i mean i'm excited you handbill check that raw material and i think something good's going to come of it. Yeah i think. There's a tendency to joke about bala checks connections. Oh he always drafts from the same schools but there is no stronger connection. He has an all coaching then with sabin and they talk all the time about transition from college to pros trends. That are moving up so the idea that. Oh it's not the kind of quarterback that would allow you to do things that are where. Nfl offenses are going. That's certainly something. That bell check has considered like he's considered all the things that matt jones can and can't do and they will build an offense around what he can do. So yeah. I also connor to your earlier point when fans become so knowledgeable about draft prospects. Anyway i mean they're not actually knowledgeable but they have these very strong opinions. And maybe in the case of quarterback or quarterback like matt jones who came from a big school where he was on primetime a lot navy fans have watched him play a little bit more but sometimes people have very strong opinions about offensive linemen from lake obscure schools in your life. Did you really watch compla- at all. Are you recycling something you saw on twitter probably the latter. We need to start. Iii ran an experiment that ended up not catching on But about three years ago. I started tweeting a couple of weeks before the draft about a fullback from rice named still and i wanted people to eventually come to the conclusion like he didn't exist. It wasn't a real person. But i was just like just getting you know. Tax about stillman's combi numbers like these are unbelievable. You know all the bench press and stuff like that to see if i could create that like that. Plant that sort of psychological nugget into the fans mind was not successful but i also didn't have the momentum of big football media behind me. We needed more people out there to talk stillman in order to get that going. But you're right. I mean everybody just sees like you know. They'll see mel kiper say that guy is horrible. You know and and they're like well gosh. why would it be pickup. And then you know. Unless you're the raiders You know most of the time. It's not true like everything is fine. But the raiders. Do pick people that everybody says vat and they turn out back. There's a difference between that and everything else. It's yeah it's it really in the end. It's like yeah you should. It's fun to root for something it's funded turn on the draft and like root for your team date your guy and i don't wanna take that away from people but sometimes you've got gotta take a ticket deep breath back. Joan stuff was just that was on another level than anything. I can really remember in in in recent history here but yeah he went fifteen rightfully went fifteen. Not number three. Now we get to see what What he's going to be. I'm going to switch over to defensive. You guys don't mind here. gregory russo fascinates me. And not just because he's in. Buffalo and western. New york is wonderful. But the greg russo make sense to me In a couple of ways in this bills defense one really interior rusher and you know we all kind of i know. I have a have an affinity for edge burner type of a passer. Russo was better lining up in the interior. I'm guessing that's where they're gonna use him to do. He might play on the outside on early downs and then kick inside on obvious passing down here. That might be able sort of diamond front. He used in houston a couple of years ago. That five-man front. I always thought that would catch on in never completely caught on. Maybe the bills are going to try something with that. May maybe put russo over center as freely as possible. When i'm basically let them pick on guys who are less athletic than like whitney mercilus did for For a couple of years. They're a bit of a different body type with russo. But the other thing with rousseau and this is my mildly contrary football twitter take here so get ready buckle up for good reason. We sort of emphasize okay. It's not just all about sacks gotta pressures are important important and qb hits and all the stuff and and wins and and And all that sort of stuff you. No one wins as a order. That's all important. I think at some point. We started to overlook guys who can finish. I think finishing is a skill. And it's funny. I was Watch the game the other day the afc title game and the two biggest plays nine games are still Patrick mahomes on back to back. Please the bill dead to rights once it was It was milano coming up coming clean on a blitz and then it was a espen esa on on on another uh pass routes there and the had them and they couldn't get him on the ground and mahomes escapes and he makes a big play. And all the chiefs are fifty yards downfield and getting ready score touchdown at the end of the second quarter. They're so rousseau had a ton of sacks he can finish. I don't think you necessarily build your team around okay. We need to sack this one single quarterback across the league and that will fix all. Our problems are other skills. That are important. But i do think finishing gets overlooked. I think the bills had some problems finishing in their pass rush last year. I think it's it's russo's and your even if he doesn't have the best win rate as a pass rusher and even if he's not sort of a classic yo edge bending type of guy. I think it makes a lot of sense aaron. I'm really curious to see how this works out for him. Because as we saw from the draft they are very concerned with their pass rush. Yeah they could have gone a lot of directions with that pick. But i think the biggest need was somebody that could sack. The opposing quarterback. That's the what they need to get them over the hump You know beyond where they got to last season really interesting headline that lasts two monologue. Gramling hates analytics. Believes all defensive. End should be drafted based on sack. Total so wow. That'll that'll play. Yeah if it's not in the box score doesn't matter and not even the full box score the one that's like the colon and then they're all separated by semi colons in between that box score. I'm an pro football focus on this limits when when we put it online. No those are. That's that's what. I'm doing this here. And i kinda talk about the same. With a nudge harris and the steelers to shows ago in the afc north software. Finishing a drive for running back. That's a skill. getting in the end. I think putting a quarterback on the ground rather than just getting there. I think the finishing is a skill that kinda gets overlooked so We'll see i. I like analytics. I am creeping into running back. I'm creeping back into running game matters like i really am. I've found myself like slowly. You know. I it's like you. You put your foot in like it's a pool and you don't know how cold it is but it feels pretty good like i'm. I'm ready to jump in running backs matter again. I'm ready it's so just wonderfully contrarian just feels great with warmer days ahead. 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And i think we kinda get caught up in in catch radius with some of the really big six four receivers i think digs has a tremendous catch radius because he tracks the ball so well downfield and he he he. He blows people away from the slot and no one can cover him. It's it's almost like what happens to tyreek hill down. Kansas city Yeah he's he's the best non quarterback in the division. I didn't have any anything original to say about it. Yeah so the most valuable. Non quarterback categories what sparked become comment that connor introduced earlier in the show sucks which is not true. They could have three teams in the playoffs. Mix this year but if you look at stars individual players outside of the quarterback position it's hard to locate one. That is really kind of what you would expect in this category which is a pass rusher. So our first two divisions we had the top two defensive players in the league t. J. watt aaron donald. And there were also other good choices that you could affect when you think of the most valuable non quarterback you think of the player that is pressuring the quarterback and pass rushes. Naughty strength of the afc's so i also went with digs for the way that he made the bills. Offense come alive last season. He was really critical to unlocking josh allens potential in a way that many of us including myself weren't sure could be done and so that's why i went with him and you know i considered a couple of the cornerbacks. There are also strong cornerbacks in this division but yeah as as connor said at the top of the show you know what what what what talent is there. So the reason that i didn't put stephan digs they're just the little bugaboo for me is You know so. My neighbors recently found out what i do for a living. I went down to assist one of them with a fantasy football draft last year and stephan digs was available at a very reasonable point in the draft and he said well we should get this guy he sees good and i was an i said no. Because he's the only good player in buffalo so everyone's gonna know that everyone's going to cover him and he's not going to get the ball and my neighbor said see. That's why i brought you down here. It's good stuff. And then lo and behold steph addict has more balls than anybody in the nfl and then you know you just you you start walking the dog in another direction. 'cause you don't wanna see people On mondays and You know it's just a it's complicated for me. So that's the only reason but that's a really good way to get out of like doing some fans draft with him though. Oh man lamar jackson. Who wants that guy But i went with xavien howard beach just because you know brian. Flora's comes from the bell check tree and there's always that need for that integral lockdown corner. I believe pro. Football focus had missed the second. Best cornerback in the nfl last year. And he's going to perform a lot of tasks in this division. This year i think that with new england Finally getting some receivers to add to their roster. I think that's gonna make his job even more important in their defense works. I think having him against stephan digs once a year or twice a year when they play. Buffalo i think is valuable so i was xavien howard just because he matters very much that scheme in a way that stephan digs matters very much to that scheme buffalo Which is also to say The why haven't the bills traded for zach ertz yet like that needs to happen. They need more people to catch the ball there they need. They need extra help so they should do that. Connors trying to make the oracle happen still. I know i'm really like you know. I've been reading a lot about manifesting in. It's just not happening like i just keep yelling it in. It's not happening. And i don't understand what all these people mean. When they say you can just make stuff happened by saying it a lot so i don't get it the most interesting coach. This can be head coach or assistant in the division Connor wanna you wanna you keep going. I thought you were going to say conor. We've heard enough for yesterday Why bill bill belichick and just because you know. I think this is the first off season where there are some pretty legitimate. Like anti bella check takes you know. I think paul finebaum was the one who said the other day like he's past his prime always going to do now is draft alabama players. And he's asleep at the wheel and all that stuff and while i think everybody else's sort of picking and choosing the way that they're going to take their shots at him. I do think that there's a sentiment that now that tom brady has won the super bowl elsewhere that he was the engine that drove this entire thing and that bell check is going to be unable to do it without him. You know. there's that sense that well you. It'll he's teams. Weren't that good in cleveland. And then they. Weren't that good until tom brady got here. And so you know x. Plus wyche will be you know. And i think that it couldn't be further from the truth You know to jenny's point earlier like did we really think that bell check is not thinking about were. Defenses are going ten years from now. We're offenses are going ten years from now when he drafted mack jones. Like of course he has. I mean this guy literally in his spare time is hanging out with military black ops people to find out how they sleep to get his players to sleep better. Like this guy is thought of everything. And i think that He's an incredible head coach. He's the best head coach modern. Nfl history and we get a chance to see him rebuild from scratch. I love the fact that he didn't retire when brady left. I think it's fantastic. You know i think that. A lot of these coaches chase. The guy look at. Bruce arians is. His book was called the quarterback whisperer. But you played. Ben rothlisberger peyton manning tom brady carson palmer like. It's not that hard to be. You know andrew luck So you know that's okay you know. That's a pretty decent resume but bill belichick willing to start from the ground up again. And i think it's gonna be fascinating to watch him kind of operate in this way. Now i agree it's I kind of like the The antibiotic takes just because they're completely absurd and I think if anything maybe does keep him around a little bit long enough that i think scrolling through a on twitter and seeing what everyone's saying about him but I like the fact that he sorta gets that chance to. I don't know reprove himself even though he doesn't have to. I hope he thinks that. I'm i'm the with mike floor here the The new offense coordinator for the jets came over from for robert sal. And what's really interesting to me about him. is we. Think the kyle shanahan disciple. We think he's gonna yell. Play fullback play tight ends. Go with the sort of heavy looks and then You know get the play action off and the way the jets are built here. I mean this looks like a team. That's going to be a three receiver base. They're very deep receiver and not very deep anywhere else on the roster here so i'm curious to see what the floor ends up doing. I didn't corey davis the fact that they signed him. I think maybe the davis is sort of a guy you can maybe do some tight. End dish things as a blocker. You're not going to put him in line but you can sort of use him in that same functionality where he's going to motion inside and then and then you can You can sort of work that there and the other thing that really interest me with his jets offense is. I just love the fact that it's sort of encapsulates. They have sort of the old school slot receiver and then they have. The new schools are receiver. Jamison crowder is still there. And he's kind of what we always thought a slot. Receiver was for years and years. Guy who you know separates underneath. And he's gonna to catch it five yards upfield and maybe slip tackle but probably in the end have like ninety catches for nine hundred yards. And that's a that's fine but what you're seeing so many teams going with split save looks It is so valuable to have a slot receiver who can also be vertical threat. And that's what they haven't allies more. So i think you get to see that sort of evolution happened in real time in by the jets offense this year. If you want to keep a close eye on it. I like that I would say is a subset to that it would be the best In addition to the floor would be john benton right who's the run game coordinator and offensive line coach. Who is almost as important to making that work is the floor. But you're right. I mean there's going to be huge personnel challenges. There and the problem with a lot of hiring someone from shanahan system is like owners. Think okay. i'm getting the offense and you're not like you need all the other things like you mentioned when you need a great. That's why he ran out and signed. Kyle use check. You know to a huge deal and you know you need all those guys too. And they don't have them. So how do you compensate for that. I think it's gonna be really interesting. That's game encapsulates. The excitement swagger and energy of the nba. it's a bold declaration understood by insiders and casual fans alike that the bar has been raised when it comes to the game of basketball and culture itself. The nba is always moving forward. 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To sixty four is exclusively available to espn plus subscribers for sixty nine ninety nine or sign up now to get ufc to sixty four and espn plus annual plan for eighty nine ninety eight visit. Espn p l u s dot com slash spotify. I went with brian cabell. Partly because both of you had really good answers for this question. I didn't want to repeat points that were already made. But i am legitimately interested. I think the hardest part harder than helping a quarterback breakthrough is to then sustain that success the following year and that is the task for able this year so last year. They hit all the right notes with josh allen they signed digs and we saw him finally make this huge leap forward and all of that physical talent and potential was unlocked last season. Well now what do you do this year. You know teams around the league have a better sense of what an allen led offense. Kim look like at its best and have more time to defend and prepare against that. And also you know when you're taking that step forward. You're kind of playing with house money right. The expectations aren't as high on new. Everything you do is a thrill everyone is praising how far you've come since the previous season so i think it's harder to do the second act. I was stunned that he didn't get a head coaching job. I thought he would have. Certainly you know his work with. Alan would have been recognized there. But i think you're right. I mean and the fact that he didn't get any help from personnel and they didn't trade zakar. It's makes his job even harder offseason. Because there's you know you're basically running with the same group of person but they didn't really you know. I think there's a lot of people if you follow the mock draft tea leaves that were having them maybe look at travesty at at the end of the first round and maybe that sentiment is true. I think that they know they need another playmaker in this offense But something hasn't really materialized and they think that that might end up being the great regret in all of this For buffalo that no matter how good he is at creating all these mismatches. For josh allen like eventually you know people are going to figure you out. They're going to get enough tape on you and this isn't you know josh. Allen is great but at the end of the day. Still josh allen right. You know it's it's sort of a sort of a cam. Newton with a with a different sort of armed talent slightly. I don't know exactly how you want to put it. But no matter how special and kind of talented these players our people do end up finding a way to shut them down. And so and you're the clock kind of runs out on you a little bit there. Unfortunately if you don't get new players in the fold yeah and last year is everything. Bel stance had been hoping for right the patriots. Finally tom brady leaves the division. And there's an opening and the bill sees it and take advantage but do they have enough to take that next step and that's what we discussed with them. Drafting a pass rusher. But you're right connor. They didn't address getting another offense. A playmaker to enliven things. And i think another point you made about coaching job. I think if you're in that position there is always the alert or you know the potential of saying well. I'm going to do a lot of creative things to make sure that people know this is my offense and they can see my creativity on display. And i think it can be really hard to resist that ultimately you have to do what makes the most sense for the offense but i think they're having plenty of not saying that the balls in this camp there have been plenty of coordinators in the past that fall into that trap. They wanna get cute. They want everyone to know that they have these fantastic ideas that you haven't seen before and that's not always what's best for the offense you. Also this year have to resist. That urge. i think overall when you back. There's there's always an assumption that especially when you're young quarterback the trajectory the improvement. It's just going to stay on that even Young incremental okay. Got this much better now. He'll get that much better next year. Just imagine eight years from now. Josh allen is throwing for one hundred twelve touchdowns every season and that's really just not how it works out when it's all said and done but With that i do want to transition to the mad libs because we did see improvement between week one week two from connor. Or who's who's pretty tenuous grasp on the whole. Tom became much better in week. Two and let's see if he can improve in week three here connor takeaway while last week. I had to call my mom who is a six grade english teacher and i said mom. Let's run back through adjectives. Nouns verbs adverbs. Because that's where i really struggled and She was disappointed. But we start from the beginning. And some hoping. I'm hoping that i i made some headway here so Who wants to go first this week. I think it's my turn book jenny. Jenny give me an adjective describing the feeling you get when you run your hands through your hair. Silky loss 'rational but while her friend her sochi. Good good good Gary an adjective that describes An ailing pet. How would you describe an ailing pet. All this is this is yeah. This is mary thad really. That is An ailing pet would be It's just dead air at this point it's it's just super it's tragic can buy color it that it's it's it's heart wrenching. Yeah is close enough. How ailing is it can i. Can i intend to at better in my mind. I'm trying to get you to save frail. But but you don't have to say frail. But i would like you to say something similar to the word frail. How 'bout brittle. Oh that's perfect. Yeah okay. Hopefully that of air. That's good All right jenny and adjective describing what is the most important function of a wizard. Like what is a wizard. Do that is more important than anything else pertaining to being a wizard magic. Perfect all right. We're really fly in here. Okay that pertain to ballot. Check gary give me a noun and something that you regularly look for when you're going to shop at bed bath and beyond. What do you fight a by at bed. Bath and beyond the the yearly matt desk calendar. You know what i'm talking about. Yeah nice you're still calendar guy. Yes yes but i it's. It's under a center. Apollo crap right now so it's not functioning twenty twenty. One just doesn't count there. You go jenny. Verb describing your your favorite gym activity. You like to do at the gym okay. This is a good one Slams you know when you slam down the medicine ball and you get out a lot of frustration. So med ball slams yes very good gary Something That what's something that That bores you greatly. Hopefully not this podcast Well if they've made it this far. Yeah yeah we're we're at the we're at the eighty percent market this point so Some that bores me. Tremendously is probably driving at this point. That's a good one okay. Dr driving long distances driving anywhere. Just yeah just driving anywhere is a chore at this point And then we have here Jenny maybe when you were a kid or if you've if you still have that same feeling what. What is an adjective. That kind of describes how you feel the night before christmas. Okay yeah definitely more. A child Eager okay good no longer. I don't know what to say ventas. Colin santa isn't real getting Okay and a word gary that you would mutter to yourself. Let's say you're in starbucks and you're watching someone try to push their way out of a pull door What are you what. What do you mutter to yourself. I don't want to necessarily be insulting. But is perfectly capable person that is stubborn and is just refusing to admit. Yeah so so. I'm going to go with nimrod. Good one i'm really interested to see who describes and the division all his earth. Just tom brady. It's all just so okay so here we go The afc east has long been ruled by the silky patriots. But something happened there brittle quarterback. Tom brady moved to florida. Bringing all of new england's magic secrets with him That left the door open for the buffalo bills to stampede through led by their quarterback. Josh allen who let's be honest looks a little bit like a matt. Desk calendar allen season last year was great and many people in the state of buffalo slammed their way out of their snow-filled living-rooms to celebrate their playoff. Berth the miami. Dolphins are trying very hard to win the division too but the problem is watching them. Play often feels like driving. Sometimes it's good but sometimes it's bad but it's never enough and last indefinitely least we have the jets. Their new head coach robert solace seems eager but younger fans if the jets start every season thinking. They're good but they're nimrods. Oh fans being nimrods was the perfect ending to the honor. Those good i Fans just jackie chan. I was gonna say. I didn't cover the twenty eleven yet so like i don't have the right to say that i feel like conner. Most of our paltry twitter followings are made up of group for all of them so i am just teasing. Just i said young jets fan so you. The people who follow us on twitter refined. It's your kids. Who are now. That's all right. I didn't i didn't i didn't destroy the english language today. I got all my parts of speech. Right feels good. Yeah that was that was. That wasn't food. I feel bad that That that my dying dog. Was tom brady when it was all said and done but he can. He can take it. It'll be fine. It's going to be funny to keep taking potshots at tom. Brady until he's bazo s- level powerful and one day. I just walk out my door into a sinkhole and like he's been listening the whole time. I think one of my sl headline was in his End of season like gotcha montage after the super bowl tweeted like never listened to talk radio but it was like a bunch of headline saying he was too old. One of the one of my hot takes in there. I think might be on his radar. You know might be good. You know i pick the bucks third in the power rankings. after the loss to the bears. So i'm I am forever o'brady loyalist. I guess are you going to do that again this year. Pick the bucks high or do y'all rankings pro. I hope the answer is not it probably will be yes to both of those off to vote them super low than just to balance it out. Connor is the chaos agent and the power ranking grid. Can i review kindness. Reveal real quick and we are doing the afc Show so it's a. It's relevant two years ago at one point. You put the bills first or second i in that. Yeah and look. I do not get very much interaction on twitter but Every once in a while. When i log onto twitter mike i i've like seventeen. Mentions what is going on here. And it was just a bunch of people like like gary definitely with the bills i in the power rankings. I didn't i swear to god i didn't. It was somebody else. I put them. I in the power rankings and for a time Like according to like maybe the five or six people that actually follow this. I'm not naive enough to think that beyond that changes anybody's life but You know kind of developed a little bit of folk status with the four or five people in buffalo who are paying attention and then last year when an and that's coming up some sort of getting a little bit of asia but when you have to predict all Every single nfl game. I picked the bills to finish seven in line last year and there was a bills fan deemed me immediately following every game last year. Just to be like you're an idiot and he would just say it every week and and so i lost. I felt like. I lost my credibility that i'd worked so hard to gain over that time. Because let's be honest. You're you're gonna be in when you're in our business. You wanna be nicer to the fan bases that you feel like might actually like come to your house and like you know and try to like freak you out in the bills would be like that like you know you know. You're you're just jumping through tables. All de you have time to come in yell at me at my house if you really wanted to. So i'm gonna pick them to win more than i'm not going to pick them to win. While survival thing you know the power rankings. Discussion is a great transition to our show. Finale it is it is because this is also motivated by fear when we do these. Do these votes here So all four of us ranked one through four our predictions for this division. They were all pretty similar at this point. Only one only one. What's the word. I'm looking for rogue l. I wish i wish. I wish i did what you did like. I had what you had. And and i wa- because you're right you're going to be right and it's it's I don't know this is a long way of saying jenny's right. So then i would have been the agitator if you agree with jenny. So gen z. Agitator here okay. Let's let's let's break this up. We all had the jets. Finishing last i look the jets are on the right path. They'll be fine will live and everyone will have a good time there this year but yes we all pick them last so they are therefore placed. Third place is the dolphins we all pick them third dolphin six points in third in second place. The patriots with ten got a first place vote from someone and the bills are projected to finish first with eleven points connor and i pick them to finish first. Which means jenny pick the patriots. Tugs right. I disrupted things although if you think about it. It's really not disruptive if you look at the way things have been right. I'm just reverting to the old status quo rather than what last year was. But it is a little bit disruptive this year people are expecting the bills to build off of last season and the patriots aren't downswing. But i don't know might take the patriots a little while to get back up there but i have high hopes for them this season i do too. I really do so. I want to wrap this. We didn't do this on the other divisions that i i will forever regret that. But i want to wrap this show up just a little bit differently. I mean we gave you the one through four. For all you know we think all four teams the best four teams of football and and therefore You know finishing fourth wouldn't be so bad. But i want to run team by team and this is all i wanna do. I am going to present each team. And i'm going to ask if they are a super bowl contender and not like oh there. My picked him with israel but super bowl contenders should they have super bowl. Aspirations here and we all can just shout out our individual answers at that point but I i think. I said it basically loose enough rules at this who go in any way but Let's start this off with the bills. Are the bills super bowl contenders. Yes yes time. I maybe maybe sure me of my daughter is listening to the sound of music for the first. I'm in and you know that song it's like i'd like to stay in taste my first champagne. And she said yes and then like dej goes no in like. That's what we're doing now. But the bill super bowl contenders. Yes yes i think so. Okay are like i mean what are we defining. A super bowl contenders. Are they good enough to be like in the in the conference championship. Game like a considering contention for the super bowl legitimate super bowl aspirations if you are a fan of the bills she'll be. Should you be hopeful. A super bowl berth. This yes because let's let's face. I'll bring it the texans as a as an example. No texans fan is like they. I hope this year i you. What tickets like. No one's going to be doing that. So i just want to give fans a I don't know just sort of a starting point to start building their expectations off. But i'm glad this took eight minutes to do the bills yesterday. That's go patriots patriots. Were were protected. Place are the patriots superbowl contenders. Yes yeah every year yes absolutely. Yeah the miami dolphins we all pick them third places where it starts to get interesting. Are the dolphins super bowl contenders. I see no now. I say yes i think Okay you don't wanna hear think yes well right. Yeah i mean you can go now to In that cardinals game last year. Like i think if if that's the two that you get then it's a yes it's one hundred percent yes. I think it's really interesting. What's happening there. I thought he was really disappointing last year. But sometimes you just gotta get the right weapons and the coaches in there and you walk something And let's go will. We'll also know for the jets playoff contenders playoff now ability. Now now see no not that guy. Maybe they're like you said maybe are headed in the right direction but no for now. Okay all right we really spilled out for those nimrod fans i'll tell not alone owed nimrod i can take the heat on that you guys don't need to take it all right. Well we have three down. We have five to go. We are still feeling your gases as to how we determined this order and again if you if you get it right we have some stickers where you might we might have something else. Yeah so. I'm a i'm my podcast. Set up right. Here's in in my basement. And i'm currently being tasked with cleaning out all the garbage from my office and i found a gigantic gigantic plastic bag full of business cards. That i don't need anymore. 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OTA 2 breakdown - Cam Newton hurt, Mac Jones grinds

Greg Bedard Patriots Podcast with Nick Cattles

31:19 min | Last month

OTA 2 breakdown - Cam Newton hurt, Mac Jones grinds

"This is the Greg Bedard Patriots podcast with Nick cabins. My man Greg was out at Gillette today. He was, I'm sure he had the. Did you have the, the binoculars out Greg? Did you have those horse? Of course? You did. Of course you did. Your binoculars catch? What happened to Cam Newton? Because everybody started going crazy today on Twitter about this injury to his throwing hand. What did you see? What do you know? So, I did not see the actual injury. What happened was is that since I'm just so in tune to the Special Teams, and what's going on, I have to know what's going on there. I was watching the far field where they were doing a lot of did. A lot of special teams in this practice and on the near-field the quarterbacks were working with like assistant coaches ball boys, what have you down on footwork drills? Against pads against other things and suddenly I I didn't seek am actually walk off. What what caught my attention was? I was looking through my bag. killers and surveying the scene and I saw Josh McDaniels talking to Bill Belichick. And, you know, Matt Patricia was sort of trying to hang in on the conversation from behind and that struck me as odd because I knew the quarterbacks were doing work, what's McDaniels doing over there? And then all of a sudden a sort of scampered back over and then all of a sudden I was like, oh okay, now I see Cam, he's with the team doctor, he's with Jim Whelan. The trainer he's looking at his right hand and to me it just looked like, it looked like and everybody sort of had a different viewpoint on this. What I saw through my binoculars was they were paying special attention to in my opinion. If you're watching the video game right now, this sort of region of his hand, sort of like the knuckle in your hand, like the webbing of it, like know the actual probably like, you know, your knuckle on your right off finger if you make a fist, okay, that knuckle right? That knuckle right there. So that's what I saw. It could have been a thumb, I don't know. But look, he's sustained some sort of injury to his hand dead. Cam was not happy about it, sat out the rest of practice. What was interesting is they didn't like put ice on it. They didn't take them away. Stayed on the field. You could tell his demeanor definitely changed. He was not happy. He was not feeling the rest of practice. He was kind of little ticked off probably annoyed and page and that was that was it from from cam now. I think there's been reporting since then Karen Koreans said no break. I think I just saw that Ian Rapoport said that Cam Newton suffered a slight bone today at practice being his hand on a helmet. Not consider major at all but since it's a spring we may not see much more of him until training camp. I think that's the most significant thing. I mean first of all. It's not considered major at all. Yeah well it's going to take them out of they have practices next week, right? And they have then they have OTAs, they had the minicamp that's significant. I mean it might not be a major injury and threatened to season but for a guy that we've talked about four months, going back a year about all the excuses that were made for him. Certainly by some people internally with the Patriots that, oh, will Cam Newton, didn't have this and Cam Newton didn't have this opportunity. Cam Newton couldn't be on the field. Well, here we are. He has a chance for a full offseason. And now this happens and to me that's the most major development of this. I mean, we don't know, he could be back next week. It wouldn't surprise me. It didn't look major in that, they didn't put ice on it or not. Take any drastic measures immediately after the injury tells me that it's not significant, but if if it keeps cam off the practice field, I think it's a major development for this team. Cam Newton because I think it opens the door for Mac Jones. And I think that's the most significant thing out of this Cam, Newton injury and we'll get into Mac and how that might affect his trajectory now moving forward. But I just want to throw my two cents out there regarding cam. You can imagine why he was a little angry, why he was upset, why does, you know, disposition changed when he was at practice? Because it's just said, he knows what he just went through all last year, old people how tough it was and I'm sure he wanted this o t a. To go as perfectly as it could. He wants to stay healthy. He wants to do everything that he can do to try to win this job. He wants every single rep. So any kind of injury that takes him out of the mix. Even if it's for a day a week, a month, he's going to be upset by it. But I actually like the fact that he was upset by it because it and show that he's a competitive guy and he wants the damn job. Now that he's out as you said, who knows how long if Rapoport is right off? If he's out the rest of the way here until mandatory minicamp, you look at Mac Jones and this is a golden opportunity. Greg for Mac to step up and say, okay, the doors open, I'm not only going to walk through the door, I'm kicking that damn thing down. Yeah, absolutely. And and I thought it was interesting. So when McDaniels went over to Belichick we don't know what they're saying. But off to me my guess was. Well, all right, well cams out, how do you want to handle reps from here on out? And what I saw was Mac Jones was suddenly was qb1. And I think that's significant that they decided to, you know, give the rookie now. That being said, I think it's fair to say the Mac Jones didn't exactly take the ball and run with it today and and he did not have a great day. I thought, Jarrett, Stidham was by far the, the quarterback on the field and and good for Jarrett Stidham. Who knows? Maybe the light turned on. But I don't want people to get alarmed by this. And and, and I'm going to write a column on. Bsj this part will probably come out after this. So, you know, our members can can read that first putting this into context. Now, what people need to understand about today's practice and this is my opinion, I don't I don't have a practice script, I haven't talked to any assistant coaches, so I don't know what the design of today's practice was, but in my opinion from watching NFL can't for twenty years. To me it seemed like today was a very a very Blitz heavy day for the defense. So it's whenever that happens, whether it's OTAs or training camp, it's always a great day for the offense. I don't care who the quarter. I've seen Tom Brady have terrible days against, you know, a lot of blitzes from the opposition from the defense and and especially when you consider You know, all the continuity that goes on on on defense and they are missing a ton of people, but when they lined up out there, you have Lawrence guy, you've got shows out there, you have Chase, winovich has out there. You have Kyle, Roy, you have Juwan Bentley, you have, you know, cornerbacks who have been here, Kile Duggars out there. Jalen Mills is is new, but you have a defense that knows what they're doing. As opposed to the offense where you don't, you don't have either. You're starting tackles, which was a big problem today. Blocking, you know, you have all new receivers you have basically a new tight end. You have running backs out there who are JJ Taylor and Tyler Gaffney pretty much so it's and you have a new quarterback. So it's going to be a challenge. And I think today was one of those days and you see this sometimes and look Bill Belichick and Josh, McDaniels both talked up Mac Jones this week in meeting with the media, especially Belichick the morning of that practice and what I read into this written down. Into it was, and we talked about it last week with how good Jones was and how good he looked what Belichick said was. Look, you basically everything that were giving him. He's he's he's taking in and he's doing a really good job with it. And I think today was one of those days where they were like, you know what, what store a little bit more at the kid and that he didn't come through with flying colors and it wasn't long. I mean, I think I saw some of the stats cuz I don't keep stats in these eight of eleven but most of them were checked downs but against a blitz heavy scheme with no based or not running the ball ever most you're doing play-action so Advantage defense all over the place that he's taking the check downs. I'm sure they're fine with that. And I think, you know, when you're dealing with a rookie quarterback and they're like, oh hey you recognize. All right, we don't have anything or this looks. This looks Harry just dump it down. That's what we're going to do. What he did Alabama so I that back Jones didn't like him. Himself today is really of no concern of mine. Nick in in that Justin, did a really nice job good for Jarrett and, you know, maybe maybe now it's clicking, but I don't think that anybody listening to this or any Patriots fans out. There should be alarmed, that Jones had had a bit of a rough day. It was Advantage defense. It's going to happen. I don't think it's a big deal. Now. Let's see what happens next week. If he gets the ones reps without Cam Newton there and he and he's still kind of struggling a bit, then we have cost for concern, but I think that Mac Jones with the book up at Jones, I think they threw a lot at him so that he could go further that he they threw a lot at him so he could see it. See it on film tonight over the weekend. I come back next week, make the adjustments and he'll be better from that. You know. I think the most significant thing about today wasn't what happened on the field? I think it was what happened at the podium and Belichick Saying what he said and a night. Sweet. It's something like this today, at Nick's, sea radio. By the way, I know everybody follows Greg. You can follow me. If you heard that Nick see radio but I tweeted out, you know, we've talked about Mac Joe ever since he was drafted and we've talked about what we expected. And again today, was that next step of being unpredictable The Next Step, pehle check where he's saying more than I ever anticipated him to say about this quarterback and we go back first day of OTAs that you saw. He's not as we said last week, carrying helmets, he's not the 4th guy, he's not getting treated on a field, like we thought he was going to get treated. And then usually, as we know, no matter what you asked, Belichick this time of the year, usually, it's a big, old fat ass stink bomb. And instead of, instead of trying to quiet the noise, he stood up there today and said, no, this kid is picking up. What we're putting down and he gets it pretty much is what he said. I mean, if you were just want to wrap it all up into one, nice day. Sentence. This guy is getting it so far. And so, to me again, I'm not telling you he's going to the Hall of Fame. I'm not even tell who's going to start a game this season. I have no damn idea. But what I can say is the way Belichick is handling him on the field and talking about him. I do think Greg that is significant. I completely agree with you Nick. And I think that, you know what you said, and what we've talked about that that Belichick not only what he said, but in practice that, you know, Cam Newton goes down and Belichick is just like, go off. And also, I don't really care that. It's a blitz heavy. We're Kyle Van Noy and all these guys are flying at Mac Jones, and he has no blockers in front of them. That know what the hell he's doing. I don't really care because I know the kid can handle it, and I can tell you, you know, from from being around here that they weren't doing this to Cam Newton in his like, you know, v e. Actress as a patriot and they certainly weren't doing this with Jarrett Stidham or Jimmy Garoppolo in about their you know v o t a practice as a patriot. So that that the the Patriots think enough of Mac Jones to throw them into the fire. So to speak as much as you can get in in an OT a practice without pads to me. Speaks more volumes about where he is a place where they see him. Then any quote unquote performance, he might have had on the field today. It tells you they trust them and I would also say this, I think it also tells you at least a bit, you know, there was some talk about Mac and his maturity, and a lot of it stemmed from the DUI, he had years ago, and it was always be mature enough. The fact that Belichick is saying what he's been saying publicly. I think also tells us that they not only feel like he is ahead of where they thought he might be that. They're not happy where he's at right now. But I also think Reagan, you can agree or disagree. I also think it tells us that as far as the person as far as the individual Belichick doesn't think that Mac is the kind of guy that if I go out there and I say what I said this week in front of the cameras, and I give him this responsibility on the practice field. He obviously doesn't feel like now is the kind of guy that will let it get to his head and that there's a there's a certain level of maturity, where Mac can kind of, you know, compartmentalize this stuff and say, you know, that's great to coach, you know, coach said that great coach has me, as the second guy, came went down. Great coach, put me as the number one guy, but for Belichick to do all of that right off the bat, I think. Telephone number That he also believes Mac is pretty level-headed and he's a smart kid and he and he knows how to handle maybe a little bit of flowers being thrown his way early on. And I also think that's a good thing. Yeah. I and and look Nick what are we what are we know so far from what we've been able to see that and the first practice open to the media Bill Belichick had Cam, Newton, and Jarrett Stidham working together, and Jarrett Stidham and Brian Hoyer working together. They had, they had sorry, I don't know if I said that, right. But Cam Newton Mac Jones to get twice as if he cloned, but we get. Okay. Sorry. So Mac Jones and Cam Newton worked together, right, and Jarrett Stidham, and Brian Hoyer, worked together, and Mac, Jones clearly in the first public practice, double check knows. We're all going to run wild with it. And you know, some jackass like Greg Bedard is going to run a flowery column that gets you know that that makes, you know, Nick cattles have to consult the doctor after 4 hours wage Well, what I saw in here Greg and so he knows that, you know, that jackass Bernard is going to write something like that and he didn't really care. And then this week, Cam Newton Goes Down Jones has taken the Reps and he knows that we're all seeing this. Right. Bill Belichick doesn't give a crap and that just tells you to go along with what you're saying is that I think he really likes the kid. I think he he thinks that this kid certainly has a really good head on his shoulders and he's really comfortable not giving him. He's fine, giving him too much he's fine, giving them a lot of Praise. He's fine, giving him basically, you know, a bouquet by the way he's played played him in front of the media and he thinks he's going to deal with it the right way. So to me, This this only reinforces what I wrote last week and now if you're a Patriots fan, your sort of secretly hoping that Cam Newton's out for another week or two, and that is Mac Jones a show and I'm sure Jarrett, Stidham. They'll probably reward Jarrett Stidham with what he did, and he should, cuz he looked really good today and he looked decisive, but I think, you know, they could put Mac Jones out there and, and Mac Jones performs, when cams not out there, all of a sudden, now, some dominoes start to fall and I can, you know, here, the Patriots fans out there getting all excited, listen to this right now, and I think they should be, you know, a little bit excited, but now it's up to look. All all coaches, all they can do is get players opportunities and it depends on, it's it's dependent on the player to take advantage of those opportunities. It looks like back Jones is going to happen opportunity here, right? And it's it's up to him to see what he does next week. And hopefully the trials and tribulations that he went through today. Like we talked about hopefully he applies them going forward and then all of a sudden he's that much better next week and then all of a sudden the veterans come back for the veteran, minicamp the mandatory minicamp and then all of a sudden, everybody's like, oh wow, this guy can play. I see, I see what's going on here, maybe he is the the right guy for. So this was a another really good step for Mac Jones in my opinion. And I'm a large for the Patriots so far some good optimism and that's really all you can ask for. He's giving everybody a reason to be optimistic. All right, let's talk about Kyle. Van Noy, let's go to the defensive side of the football here dead. He was back in Greg, he was back inside. Yeah, that was, that was interesting now. So Kyle Van Noy, basically was playing inside linebacker today. Now dead, there's a caveat to that because like I said, they were in sub-packages the whole time. So we don't know where he's playing in base, we don't know whether this was Dante, Hightower dependent. The basically he's them to be Dante Hightower to some of the younger guys who are out there who don't know what they're doing, but certainly in his toolbox he's done it before he did it. Basically his whole first year when he got here that he played inside due to injuries and he can do that and we know how many options the Patriots have on the outside. And by way of that chase winovich was the beneficiary of Matthew judon. Not being there again. So he got a lot of reps on the outside and so did Josh. But yeah, but Kyle Van Noy being back seemed to settle things a lot wage. Defense. They seem to they seem to sort of get Confidence from having kvn out there. He almost picked off Mac Jones. He should have it was right in his breadbasket, he dropped it. Did some push-ups month. Um, but yeah, I thought it was interesting that Kyle Van Noy was back and he was playing inside linebacker doing his thing from their amoeba, all that stuff off of it was in full effect and it was a handful for the offense and you know good for the defense but we expected them. I expect them to be way ahead of the offense for some time this summer. Yeah. And and again, that's no. That's your next note, that they are way ahead. And I think when you look at this defense, just overall big picture. It's about being multiple. It's about being versatile. It's about showing offenses, a variety of different things. And we've talked about this and now that you see Van Noy playing inside at today's OTA, it just kind of highlights the thought that we've had you. And I talking about this defense. Yep. Since they went crazy and dropped a bunch of money and free agency, they have a lot of guys that can play some different roles here. You know, whether it's Mills or it's Vannoy, or it's a Hightower can do it off. You know, McCourty can do it from the old school days. They've got a lot of guys who can play in different spots and I think, you know, with Belichick, as we've seen pretty creative guy, right? Pretty pretty smart guy, on that, thought the football and you just feel like he has the chess pieces this year. He's got the chest, no question, or move around the board and, and cause a lot of headaches for quarterbacks, you did mention in, you'll see a notes that missing people during this period right now is not helping. Tell us why. And what you see? Yeah, mostly on the mostly on the offense. I mean, you know, again, that was, it was a lengthy list of you on defense, you didn't have Jude on Gilmore Phillips Jackson, McCourty, Hightower coward, among sort of the big people on offense. You didn't have, you know, Damien hair loss Is watching with his left leg and sleeve. Dalton Keen had his left leg in his sleeve. He's not out there. You have, you know, Sony Michel's, not out there Ramon. DeRay sneaks in both tackles when and brown aren't out there. No jonnu Smith known to kill Harry. So it's, it's it's a tough go for the the offense not having those guys that puts them at a severe disadvantage but you know, look, you can't really say much. It's voluntary. The coaches are very careful to to point that out, but, you know, it's it's not helping things and you hope things really pick up once they get the mandatory minicamp and those guys have to be there. But you know who is out there? Greg's new favorite, a jade roller. And you know, when Greg talks about JJ Taylor so far during this offseason of ours m o t, a s Craig's heart tends to go a flutter a little bit. He finds himself getting a little a little bit, warm inside, thinking about JJ Taylor. And in what I'm seeing so far, what did you see from JJ today? And tell me why you are starting to grow infatuated with the young, man? Yeah, I thought they did a really nice job. Not only taking some of the check downs and making moves. He just the difference in him. From last year to this year. I equate to sort of Gunnar Nelson, Gunnar, Nelson. Should have a group. The Nelsons or what? Yeah, Gunnar Nelson. Guntersville schefsky limit. Yeah, so yeah, so Gunner. Remember we talked about from his rookie year. He looked like he was like, trying out to be the Patriot mascot and then all of a sudden he came down here too and you're like holy cow, he's a man. And he played like a man last year as far as partner Turner, and I see the same sort of thing with JJ Taylor. Like, you know, Jake was nice. And he was a little bit of a gadgety guy but you didn't. When you watched them in practice you weren't just like, all right, this guy's dynamic or a playmaker. Now, all of a sudden this year, you took them and you just like there's something there, he reminds me a little bit more of Damien. Is it was Damian Lewis? That was Dion, Lewis me on Lewis Dion Lewis, a little bit of him off a bit of, you know, James White, a little bit, a little bit of from a lot of diminutive, sort of running backs who have been here. But he does a great job with the check Downs. He he does a great job at the second level faith. Is out. And to me, we're really stood out today. And again, no pads or anything like that. But what really intrigued me was JJ, Taylor at kickoff return, and they were trying different, guys. They're Duggar and a bunch of other guys, but I don't know. I don't want the parent guy. Can we not do that? Can we not go down that would please. I do not want this new road. Yeah, we don't want to do that or Edelman Road wage, but I like I like JJ Taylor and that in that role, I think he's got a little something there. He's a little bit quicker this year and he's got a burst and he's, you know, he's one of those guys who will bounce off, of tackles, and spin around, and keep going. So I'm every day, you know, it's it's like the Mac Jones and JJ Taylor lovefest for me. And I guess I, you know what, I wait for the lineman for the past to come on. That's when I start to get my bank, he's on the offensive and defensive line. So that's got a wait, a little bit. I'm not investing anybody off the underwear Olympics. But yep. Now, Mac Jones and JJ, Taylor have my attention in, you know, along with a guy like Nelson, agholor, who I think has looked tremendous since he's gotten here and, and is everything. The Patriots have hoped he would be. Yeah, I was, I was going to bring up a Galore cuz I feel like still, you know, if there's one player on this roster, that a lot of people, I think that a lot of fans will questions up until they actually see that person. Play it sagol, you know, I think a lot of people remember, they didn't watch him play. I would guess a lot in Vegas last year and, but they remember him from Philly, and they remember him as the guy that drops a lot of passes. And listen, he had a number of drops last year in Vegas. He did not get rid of that problem completely. But from what I read and from what we have talked about you and I he took pretty damn good so far and that would go a long way to help this offense because if he is, you know, the Vegas version of himself and maybe even a little bit better. That's a good receiver, not a great receiver but a good receiver and I don't think you need a great receiver you know if you have the tight ends working and you know I read that Kendrick Bourne had a couple of nice catch today in you know if you got some receivers out there that can make a a player too, it's really all you need with this run game and that's offensive line. Let's jump to the Boston Sports channel, member question of the day, check them out over. FJ, 3999, is the annual plan. Not only do you get top-notch analysis of all the Boston Pro Sports your patch junkie and of course, that's what you are a membership at the SJ gives you access bought a ton of video analysis, that Bernard does on the coaches film and direct access to him and weekly chats. Let's pull out this question from Rob em any chance, Matt Patricia. And this is interesting, it's something I've been wanting to talk to you about, and we haven't even really started yet. This, Matt Patricia roll. Robbed em. Asks, any chance, Patricia is moving into an Ernie Adams roll. That's just wondering. Yeah, I think the way I would term that from talking to people around the team is, you know, let's see what happens. First of all, Ernie Adams is still around. When Belichick announced do you spell? Check announced his quote unquote, I am at that won't. Admit is he, is he Coach K? You know like Coach case with seriously he's going to hang around for a year as he will. Build did say he said this wage earnings last draft. So that's all he said. He didn't say, you know. So I think that Ernie Adams is here. Probably, I would guess at least through training camp, if not long now. So as far as Patricia goes, I would think that I would say that I think his return and what he's doing has been overstated in some places. I would say right now. I'm right now he's just back and they're giving us some things to do and he's being helpful and they're giving them different things. And he's, I would say he's more of a, you know, a special assistant to the head coach, more than anything else. And just that he takes some of the, the the mundane BS off of Belichick's plate that he doesn't have to deal with, and I think that's helpful to Bill and, and of some value and so, but as far as when you talk about Woody be Ernie Adams, quote unquote, that could mean a lot of things that different people. And I think to Rob who I know. Well, as one of our valued members, I think he means like, you know, is he going to be sort of birth? Eyes and ears for Belichick and sort of like, you know, one side of his brain and basically like helping him Coach, you know, certain situations during the games and replays and stuff like that. Matt might do some of that stuff, but I think there's another guy. There's another guy that that Patricia brought with him. I think his last name is Epstein. He is more of a math nerd. Type of guy more along the lines of Ernie Adams that could do some of that stuff. I just don't think that anybody is ever. If you think that somebody is going to feel what Ernie Adams did for Bill Belichick for a bulk of his career. And from from what I've heard, he kind of slowed down in recent years and that's part of the reason why. He's probably not around anymore or he's not going to be going forward doing his same role. But as far as that, I don't think anybody's going to do that. It's it's like saying. All right well. Jones can can Mac Jones be Tom Brady. I mean he could be the starting quarterback of the Patriots and lead them to victories. But is he ever going to be done? Tom? Brady know, you know, is the next quarter is the next coach of Patriots going, is he going to fill the shoes of Bill Belichick? Yeah. But is it going to be Bill Belichick know. Ernie Adams was unique, completely unique to what he did. And I don't think Matt Patricia is capable of that. I don't think there's a lot of people cable that's especially somebody who's goes back to like, you know, prep school, with Bill Belichick. So yes, is Matt Patricia going to do some of that Ernie Adams does. Yes. Do I think he's going to come close to filling the role that Bernie Adams did for Bill Belichick know, and I don't think that's unique to Matt Patricia. I don't think anybody can do it home. You're trying to approximate what you can from what you have left over. Yeah. And maybe it's just a mixture of some people, right at stand-off teen. Whatever the hell. His name is, you know, he could take some of the role Patricia will take some of the role and it's really, it kind of strikes me as like an extreme internship for Patricia almost like, yes. The way they're handling him. Like, he's getting it, he's getting everything right here. He dealt with contracts, he dealt with negotiations. He, he was part of the brain trust when it came to the draft apparently. And, and now he's out on the practice field. He's, you know, he's all around all over the place. He's he's bumping into the conversation between McDaniels and Belichick about cams injury today. You said, like he's kind of just dipping his toe into a lot of different Arenas, and I don't know if we should take any one. Single solitary Focus from him, like maybe this is just the plan. Maybe, maybe he's trying to figure out what the hell he wants to do. We don't know me. Maybe he said to Bill, I don't want to be a coordinator. I don't want to be a head coach wage. And Bill said, okay, well, we'll have you do a bunch of different stuff and you know, maybe you'll wake up one day and it'll be an epiphany. And you'll say, you know what, I like the front office part of it. Now I don't want to do that, so maybe that's what it's all about. The credit card, Patriots podcast, Nick cattles wrapping up another episode. I want to send a shout out to our guy. Mike, who's helping produced this show tonight. He's in his early twenties thoughts, Friday night, and he spent his Friday night with us. Mike's the man. It's a little sad, but we like him, and he's off with his girlfriend. So it's not terrible. But thanks to Mike everybody. Every have a great weekend. Enjoy yourself will be back early next week, with plenty of paths talk again. He's Greg auman

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Hour 2: Loaded CFB Slate & ALCS Preview

Get Up!

44:29 min | 1 year ago

Hour 2: Loaded CFB Slate & ALCS Preview

"If you're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions then zero in on your short list of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started at indeed dot com slash. Get up our next to you I've seen fight night on ESPN plus tomorrow eight eastern with former champion Wanna Jay Chuck taking on Michelle Waterson right now and it begins with the beginning a week six in the NFL patriots giant Tom Brady getting set to try and keep the pats the only unbeaten and AFC again right off the top plus if you think it's impossible to stop Patrick mahomes Jonathan Vilma says think again he's got the recipe member he told you the colts would beat them last week turnover for touchdown Kyle Van Noy it's reviewed and it's ruled a touchdown the Patriots Defense has scored off touchdowns this year than the dolphins and jets offenses combined after play you can't do a congrats on the path into ball out carrying turnovers and creating score with these turnovers the reason the best defense in the League right now is because of the it's a seven nothing lead for Tom Brady under ten minutes ago in the second now Daniel Jones he'd already thrown one pick and he needs to get this ball out of his hands more quickly loop and here comes that menu we're GONNA get up with the Patriots so here's the deal they won they covered their unbeaten the why so many questions we'll ask an answer them I lots of fun being had in here this morning and lots more to come as we begin another hour of get up coming to you as always live from the seaport district seventeen were brought to you by chase this is the right now do you think it's been good enough we'll see or six also Daniel Jones claim without so many of his best weapons on the road last night under two minutes to go scoreless not anymore pats blocked the plot and they take it in for the score this is what the up underneath him he would not return to the game we're still waiting for an update Howard. Tom Brady respond usually pretty well two minutes ago in the half first and ten year midfield that's Brady the Jacoby Myers who he's throwing a guys no one's ever heard St Patrick's Patriots on the move later in the drive thirty six seconds to go brady takes it in diet three and out by the way they punted on fourth and two with seven minutes left and a fourteen point game braiding finds Julian Edelman that's a great catch Brady winds up taking it himself so he house and Bill Belichick can't believe it we're tied at fourteen and then injury added to insult on the play watch the left knee of Josh Gordon's he tries to make the tackle and that thing gets twisted first time he's won a game at home without throwing touchdown since week one of two thousand eight against the chiefs and candidly that was the game that they got knocked out with a knee that he cost him the season that year he's now and then the matchup is set to one for the ages who has the edge in the eight L. C. S. TV cartoon makes pick in this hour of get up which starts make that play and then of course this is what gives the giants life you can get points to outside of the Danny Dunn throws you got a chance to win that's marcus golden taking it to the happy we won happy to get the six now so yeah we we just grind it out pretty good. What's your assessment of where you guys are often wrong zero touchdowns in two of his last three games so the conversation we've been here this morning and we talked about Daniel Jones and we've talked about a Brady and the Patriots it leads to another New England touchdown so it's fourteen nothing but on the next giants possession you know they get back with all the guys they've lost they get golden age and he's going to the house what a throw Steve Steven Gilmore one especially with the tight end on him that was a bad match up and Daniel Jones is GONNA learn from that bad decision but this is an electric the best corner in the game right now Hashtag shutdown Hashtag number one as you through a quarterback size mark watch that Patriot defense play what are you seeing there tough I wouldn't wanNA throw against attack buying time New England Russia basely gets there you have to throw it away young man you'd sit on the arm one of Baltimore sections in the game it's unfortunate here because he played pretty wild try to get a lengthy pause a long pause that Tom had as he was trying to consider the answer to that question it's the and to the Pats were up twenty one fourteen after pretty interesting I ap Mid Fourth Quarter still twenty one fourteen giants and a third of the twenty six and here comes another defense offense which has been struggling to some degree and we work on Jonathan's microphone we'll talk over here for a minute about the Patriots defense because in the NFL right now the defense is that get a lot of attention to the ones the buffalo and in Chicago but if this Patriots Defense Bobby actually the best in Footba statistically they are the best and when you factor in the defensive efficiency rating which the giants defense gets into the action we're GONNA hit Brady and they're gonNA take it in one of the rare times Tom Brady held onto the ball too long coming right behind him on the night go thirty one one three thirty four two rushing touchdowns and the Patriots remain unbeaten thirty five fourteen through through they're going to put pressure on special teams and chase one of its fields this does a great job taking it to pay dirt tap I shouldn't say the Patriots blocked it because it actually hit nate stupar but one way or another to do what what bill belichick ask them to do their job to get pressure on the quarterback they stopped the running game and when you turn the football over like that you're gonNA put Tom Brady weights officiated the way the rules are put together the defenses are not no matter how good you are you're not just gonNA stop offense as cold so to her point can you may gain changing kind about defense to and right now that defense has been really good now the question is do they have enough weapons on the offense maybe the answer will come in the form of that guy you saw rob Gronkowski making his turnovers getting takeaways giving points on the board I don't care if you have five hundred yards if we have five turnovers in that game we're winning period it feels to me like the way the game is played a high bar in such a high standard he's pissed he's not okay with just winning you wants to win the right way he wants to score points and wants to help this team and it's hard for them right now because he's just he's shorthanded of plays and that is turnovers leading points in that not only did they tape one into the house last night and obviously the special teams they also had a pick up set up a short thereby Daniel Jones puts it right on his great catch by golden say he was the only guy making any points last night for Danny Dan what's fourteen seven and then hold on the much-maligned through the greatest quarterback of all time bill belichick made his mark as a great defensive coordinator that what he was under bill parcells before he became what he is now so he knows a thing wants these guys are really supporting that team and as you guys know as players there's three phases offense defense and special teams the offense is a little bit down right now and you see Tommy's frustrated because he has set he hasn't put his retirement papers in so we can follow I think everyone had that reaction wall hasn't act debut as an analyst on Fox last night but patriots owner Robert Kraft on the pre-game on NFL network had this to say have you guys had but the rest of the team is picking up defense and special teams and that's okay through this stretch but they've got to get better I want to emphasize turnovers we're we're watching highlights of the turnovers that is the single most important step outside of points against for any defensive I remember my championship run Super Bowl championship run all we cared about was greeny that takes into account that they've played terrible offenses so far there's still the best and his starts outside we're Stephen Gilmore he's the best record in the NFL allows them to do some you know closing the door on that much more on this football Friday as we go but there was another game of enormous consequence last night and it went about the way you might have expected raise conversations about him maybe stop them back in the game and we all love Gronk and then the bottom line is different things and I kind of liken this back a little bit to the Patriots of the two thousands of their title on the perimeter a hall of Famer and then they had ten other guys out there elite technically filed his retirement papers is he coming back I think eventually comes back because I think when he gets a call from Tom in the pants are ten in one or twelve and one Stroz for all the marbles the Yankees are waiting to Winter Garrett Cole Against Tyler Glasnost and Glasnost would later say I looked at the film and I realized I was tipping might pitches and and maybe an offense that struggling a little bit in a good situation goose score the football terrell reverse who knows a thing or two about great corners tweeted last night watching the game Gilmore by far the I write back to the gap in right center that one off a curveball Michael Brantley will score altoona on his horse he comes around three nothing astros that we take a four nothing lead after one Erdem in the first inning with runners at the corners Jose Altuve as sending one to write George Springer scores Astros were up one nothing next batter Alex Bregman second verse pretty much same as the third disguised? I'm Mark Sanchez Days It's worth pointing out for those who may not remember or be aware that while they have won all these champions need him to win the good enough he can't hurt because if you bring you now take away roster spot of someone who has been contributing you got to get this guy acclimated how many games has vault eight innings to hits ten strikeouts astros tack onto more and they advance six one the final they play the Yankees starting tomorrow night facing he goes down the next batter is Kevin here Meyer that's eighty eight mile an hour change colours group fourth inning facing Travis d'arno swinging so it was a dogfight for five games really You know we finish it awesome unbelievable defense that's a really clutch hitting so you know it's Morning and thanks again before we get to that series it let's talk about Garrett Cole many may not know he is an impending free agent and so not only did he pitches team into the last night but he so again Houston in the AFC for the third straight year one shy of their total over the I fifty five seasons as a franchise they take on the Yankees it's the fifth ever elsie old so they're doing the things that the great defensive this Eric and they do it not just with great players like I said I mean it's it's the fact they play Smart Defense Divas of guys you wash Phil you see the beginning the snapshot at the snap is not what you see after the ball is snapped a quarterback had changes dramatically and that's one who is giving young quarterback so much trouble a historic season and the teams that are GonNa want him are big market clubs for instance I went to Ucla Southern California guys twelve just can't he realistically week Nine Week Ten week whatever just step right in and be gronk it's going to be difficult I'm going to say yes because I really wanted to happen the angels who are trying to become relevant again you have to think you're gonNA make a big run their the dodgers who have won the world series since one thousand nine hundred eighty eight and good way of finding a way to to be at our beds when we need it the most we're gonNA need more moments like that for the rest of this postseason but it does come through Houston this next series we got a big one ahead they've made himself a whole bunch of money with his performance well yes he's going to make an enormous amount of money in free agency he's twenty nine years old he'll be coming off an and I just want to see that text like hey bro come back from Tom Com catch ten more towel and I it's not happening it could not happen could of Gronk gats through six to the eighth inning we go coal approaching one hundred pitches but still throwing ninety eight Landau goes down that will be for coal as he will get here myron occurred this morning that Garrett Cole has a chance to strike out four hundred guys this year combining the regular season and the postseason Sandy Colfax finished on a very bad note this year and they have so much money maybe they make a run at him and of course the Yankees have been waiting for that perfect picture back to the play so guard back to the bench I wasn't a dirt on a slider sixth-inning G. Man Choi that's ninety eight miles an hour on the fastball aged astros do not have a weakness the Yankees have have not played any better this year than they are right now they completely dismantled a really good mhm along and they've saved their money so well the Yankees have to be included in this and again it's a historic season greedy devoy Hembo sent a note out the total QB on since entering the League against teams with winning records mahomes is throwing for three hundred and sixty six yards a game this year that would be an NFL record before he will get to that he and his teammates will take on the Yankees and so this is the that we've all sort of seen coming and wanted to get and it begins tomorrow night in Houston how do you see and Cole would not need much more than that he had to go on all night long it's astros four one eric sogard had hit a home run and then cold settles in that is Joey Wendell. NFL here and it's a showdown Sunday with the chiefs hosting the Texans and two of the League's Best Young quarterbacks facing Patrick Mahomes into Shawn Watson the top two quarterbacks laying out well I think it's going seven games I think it's going to be one of the Great LCS is we've ever seen these are two elite teams on every level doesn't look like he's ready to come back but that's another issue I wouldn't want to cover the most important things as you said if the Patriots of twelve and one thirteen one hello they're winning they don't they don't need grog they don't you guys the Astros have they felt almost unbeatable sport has changed so much we'll see if the Yankees in their bullpen can do it thank you have a wonderful weekend enjoy the Games we'll see you next week meanwhile I go back to the nineteen sixty five Randy Johnson two thousand one are the only pitchers to have four hundred strikeouts at the season he has a shot at that that's extraordinary perspective both twenty four years old they were drafted to piss apart they were born three days apart they are in my view the future of the NFL but I'll give you all the credit in the world you sat here last week window enclosed at that circle quarterbacks of that he could not get that ball out or scramble so now you change it up again to get all day long it's pressman according to one FM next Gen stats they first and second in passing yards and touchdowns when taking at least five seconds to release the football so I did the thing earlier this morning on these two guys EMC opponents that is the longest streak in franchise history so something's got to give back to these two guys both have been among the best at improvising when things break down line he thinks I can on a moving train I didn't have to go through training camp I have to deal with the nonsense and I have a chance to another super bowl every one of us his defense though or Houston's defense I should say ranked twenty fifth in passing yards allowed per game Texans on the flipside enter this game having won their last five on the road against unstoppable Patrick Mahomes one you have to have the corners colts have the corners that can run and run for playing tight pressman coverage all game long because they're going to get a few throws but you're going to be able to to solve the to stop them slow them dash yet the two corners the two safeties tops showing double high safety which is in for an epic series here and I would be really surprised if it didn't go seven games yeah timmy you and I grew up in a time where he just looked at the team starting pitchers you said you got the and then the defensive ends are able to rush a little bit differently when you can play that type man coverage so this is not going to be I'm stopping Patrick Mahomes it's I'm slowing down committed oh so he's a stepping so you're telling me any player can just step ball off the street and is run any game right now they've got plenty of weapons and right now he's mahomes plans leading the Texans to win this game well the kicker is Brian cushing and their strength staff like I said we were tested and we responded well we had to hit in the face twice so I like the way that we answered the bell one of the things I love about this team is the the moments never too big really Ryan's Matt Patricia say they didn't win the game but they did slowdown mahomes where did he trained under Bill Belichick Defensive Coordinator for the Houston Texans Romeo Kamini Soda Team I still like the Astros and seven because of the strength of that starting pitching and that lineup is so good also but I think we're I laughed at you when you said the colts are going to beat Patrick Mahomes and the chiefs and what did you see there and what are you seeing right now the teams could do defensively to stop the seemingly he's good you know I came over I would like to see John Caspian Gainesville at some point during this kind of well so we'll see anyway Robert Kraft clearly S. between teams that won one hundred Games Astros won the head to head season series between these teams four games to three so that should be a classic in Timmy Kirk Chanel WanNa talk to you first of all uncovered and this is what Mahomes sees he sees developing routes we're tight man coverage and then a robber at the linebacker position which allows the secondary to play tight pocket is incredible when he's off schedule but he's also not only is he hurt tyreek Hill is hurt Sammy Watkins hurt their left tackles out Kareem Hunt Shawn Watson holding the ball too long not protection from the offensive line now he's now the offensive lines protecting the Shawn Watson Dangerous I better let me get up and go around the NFL first bengals wide receiver at probably not a bad idea still to come on get up on what planet is that not pass interference it wasn't last night even after review what do we make of this rule we're talking oh where did he train bill belcher they're going to so they similar and how much of a factor is mahomes ankle we saw last weekend he's he's he's going to play on I mean he's working with lesser cast then Watson has Watson's got fuller he's got hoppy Andre Hopkins Yeah they've got now living them only seventeen points a game so that you can get twenty points a game against that terrible Kansas City defense a really interesting that game that game plan started with the Detroit the warriors beat the timberwolves one forty three to one twenty three and listen to these numbers steph curry shooting the ball from the floor last night fourteen of nineteen from the floor AJ green final year of his deal while he worked his way back from injury head coach. Zack Taylor shut down any speculation that they would trade their star wide receiver saying quote we're not tree he probably will not be at his athletic best. How much of effect is that it's not just that that's huge right because if we're splitting hairs and we're picking a quarterback Deshaun Watson is a little better does Patrick Mahomes okay I can try to catch the on this corner out now the big key was the pass rush if you look at the way Justin Houston and Kemoko terrain were pass rushing a fuller involved right there he had a massive game majority of his big plays off of the play action six for six from Watson right there fourteen yards over so he's up enrolling so is Steph Curry who put on a show last night at the brand new chase center he dropped Forty Point Steph did in twenty five minutes of action about it plus are Jalen Rose said on this show Lebron? MD and the Lakers are his favorite to win at all the Stephen A. Agree he chimes in as we continue next you're Ralway main event to order the main card in English and Spanish go to ESPN PLUS DOT COM and be sure to download the ESPN APP if you're watching on your mobile device Rhode Dabo Sweeney we'll be live with them all that more coming up this morning on ESPN we're back and actor that I'm finding Houston is playing better sneaking big news they're giving him a little bit more protection if they do right because I was always the big got sixty times exactly it was a combination of reading that Guy Mark what should they do with Jay Green I mean this is a guy you really don't want to leave the building especially a funding Andy Dalton please God don't let this go listen this is terrible so the warriors are playing building now and they built the tunnels behind the basket which means no more of the pre-game Tunnel Shot for Steph Curry coaching get up on ESPN and then right after we wrap at ten o'clock eastern this morning Stephen who joins us live from the campus of the national champion Clemson Tigers I take it colts over chiefs all that more on the way this half hour get up. ESPN long tried his best last night but he acknowledges this is going to be very hard to keep the tradition alive I did shed a tear about the tunnel shot tonight a six of nine from three and as you see he added six rebounds and

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Full Show (Week 6 NFL preview, Browns' woes, Yankees vs. Astros, Patriots)

First Things First

52:18 min | 1 year ago

Full Show (Week 6 NFL preview, Browns' woes, Yankees vs. Astros, Patriots)

"I'm Chris Carter this right here is nick right we are all coming off a late night of watching football so it's going to be a spicy variety show for you at home he's the first things first I'm general that's the hall of fame. VP rankings we did on the show and he is only upped his play week by we keep played a perfect football game last night Kyle Van Noy one of the players that says touchdown pass go up twenty eight fourteen later in the fourth Tom Brady would punch it in for his second rushing touchdown of the game oldest player this is this a great team they didn't look to me like a great team last night they didn't look like a great offense last night they looked like a team that not only was taking advantage of the schedule I five games and now the six games are the Patriots team or are they taking advantage of shockingly they have won a soft schedule will they are one of the it's the events a great defense led by Corner Stefan Gilmore has to be the leading contender for defensive player of the year through a few weeks he had made the ever by the way with two rushing touchdowns pats win thirty five fourteen to remain undefeated at six here is Tom Brady after the win great defense the Defense and special teams have scored five touchdowns the defense has allowed three touchdowns. That's how good this defense foxborough you got Tom Brady and the Patriots hosting the giants race I pass of the game it'll go nineteen yards to Sony Michelle and with that he moves past but in this schedule this team being depleted due to injuries I don't think you could watch last night's game and more injuries rack up for the Patriots on the offensive side best defensive teams through six weeks of the season the league's ever had every number says so who regular stats like points per game allowed advanced that you guys always just say we're system guys in we don't get enough credit he had a nice little our name names well Kyle van Noy Scoop and score he did the thing they teach you not to do in seven but that Pat's top ranked defense would prevail forcing the fumble and then returning it there it is twenty two yards remaining for second most passing yards all time next up by the way drew brees later in the first giants punt is blocked boy the pets do that a lot rookie chase win with the scoop and score gets the pats on the board seven nothing second quarter giants get back in this Daniel Jones finds golden state that's a sixty four yard touchdown giants with Eh one grouping there in the second half I don't think that's ever happened in twenty years but defense played great special teams play great outside stats like they all say this is an all time great defense we are watching that might be led by for the first time in my memory on a patron on Sunday that's GonNa be a great match up the rams might be without Todd Gurley when the niners come to town but we gotta start with some Thursday night football in coach of all time and a quarterback who gets more of a benefit of doubt than any quarterback ever because he's earned it but I don't think there's a great football team because one major facet and feel great about where their offense is even though you in the game you see they have thirty five points this is a special defense the greatest the few plays you know that would have been pretty good so we're hanging in there I nick this is the question that we've been asking for third normal September struggle so new England out of respect three times back to back to back super bowls I'll give them that but this is the least offensively I think that right now we'll reserve great and say right now we got some good teams Kansas City's good San Francisco is good greatness of their game the offense I don't think that good right now in most of the time in the NFL especially with parody they're not a lot of great teams in the Leisure now which see we one happy to get to know so yeah we we just grind it out pretty good kind of forced into one group of is teams that will have great seasons teams that will have great units and the Patriots we know you're great organization their defense we're going to give them that ah they're really talented and we expected them to be great but when we looked at the schedule we knew the schedule was going to be very very saul we didn't think they were going to have doing loom which is reached for the pylon peak into being a touchback but he goodness it was eighty four right absolutely because that game was still in the balance at that point in time this is a great I mean they are mash unit like bear they only have one tied in it was last night there was healthy at the end of the football game so when you look at the holes that they have got the defense and special teams scoring couldn't bloom right I mean that's what it means is a and that's why the margin of error for teams that are great announced is playing at a level of greatness but I would say it's a combination we give them credit we thought the defense was going to be good you cannot replace all the we'll have to see a lot more and what does say about this patriots team that the last two weeks against Washington now gets the giants they were both in those games yeah you could say they have a cupcake schedule but they play two teams that aren't supposed to be very good that we're within striking distance of the New England patriots blow teams out when you don't have a great offense the I mean that's what it means what it means Oh bills the Chicago bears and the New England Patriots now obviously you trust Brady more than entrust trubisky Josh Allen I'm not saying they're the same but what those three teams have in common is their offense is the big question mark on their team we saw it again last night with knowing yeah we do trust Radi more we're Brady's the only one of those three two can't move eighty won't be armed strength it won't be old it's the wear and tear the licks from Washington game last night the overall toll on his body it this is a different type of formula we have right now the three best defenses in football all have one thing in common you do not trust their offense that is the buffer when they look great they are blowing people out because they're you know what I mean you've got to try to keep pace with them you get out of your game they can be up thirty one to thirteen and coast home founded offensive players last night they lost Josh Gordon you could see that offensive line they're going to continue to have problems weekend and week out there tight ends considered one even though I consider him obviously the greatest quarterback of all time man he's got tough job right now the offensive line is not very good and those I don't know who he's throwing replacement level players all along the skill position that's got to be a concern for New England as they approach the portion of their schedule history will we kind of go way back from early college days being able to you know work out in California think Tom Brady is going to be discussed moving forward he didn't throw a touchdown he had to restaurants but didn't throw a touchdown hasn't looked fantastic over the course of the last couple of weeks yes part of it's the offense so with questionable offense lines and that offensive line to we are going to be talking about that offense and it will be storyline of the season because if tom in the first half and it's nine seven with thirty seconds left even though you end up pulling away it's going to be close last night it's twenty one fourteen in the fourth Brady got hit we're not expecting it which is something you almost never see his his pocket awareness is so great but also while I've been of the there aren't many Tom Brady critics so I'm kind of go team last night was the least how team of the last four years so typically we don't it's hard to reach greatness early in the season that d both franchise quarterbacks have led their teams to first place in their respective divisions and with Sean and mahomes facing off for the first time in their careers the two already ASCII I don't know who that is Jacoby Myers undrafted free agent who had a nice pre season right now he's there second-best Healthy Receiver Age Julian Edelman Great Defensive Teams would struggle offensively so much smaller because you can't get a team in the negative you can hold it teams zero your team to seven but if you're up in struggles like it didn't wash climbed up part of it might also be Tom Brady threw little pick in this third straight game had the strip sack where he just thought he thought his tight end was going to be able to push that guy away from him he wasn't able to in California together with Jordan Palmer and I differ other coaches and and through college and different camps so you know we're real real good friends and and have a lot fins and chiefs battle of the class of twenty seventeen quarterbacks to Shawn Watson the twelfth overall pick and Patrick mahomes taken two spots ahead of him so like if you were even so take let's the other team in the AFC the chiefs this week notwithstanding great offense really questionable defense uh let's let's talk about one of the Marquee NFL match ups this weekend text into being bill O'Brien Aaron Houston he's never won a big road game never there he doesn't have a single what you would call quality road win against a mutual friends and kind of things in common yeah I actually got to meet them in college we think we're both going into our junior year we went to a little Deandra Hopkins who does everything receiver can do it and elite level except for speed there in Dijon Watson's ability to read the field and to beat you with quarter up until that Kyle and by the way the Patriots defense or special teams had already scored a touchdown still close right on another blocked punt. He threw for five touchdowns now he's not gonNA throw five touchdowns every time he's kept clean but were there wide receiver weapons will fuller who is an excellent speed threat his legs if he's not in constant duress he is without question one of the five best quarterbacks in football and for Patrick mahomes where they just signed Stefan was new ski out of that Offensive Line is going to be replacement level. Jj Watt Whitney Mercilus have created quite the pass rushing new even without genetic uncloudy there for the quarterback tyreek Hill is going to be back this week to be able to make plays to one of their many talented receivers that to me will be the key to this game with one smaller because they're left guard Andrew Wylie was hurt he might start this weekend the left tackle Eric Fisher is still dealing with that core muscle injury that he had surgery about the left Cuba camp out in California and I got to meet them in talk to him and kind of we kinda did back and forth about how he did his stuff and Clemson and holiday myself a Texas tech and going to rely number eighty yesterday and I was like I swear to God at Amendola on the team anymore and what was Gunnar Olshevsky I think is his name elections standpoint it becomes key as far as the void and Sax last week I thought you made a great point as far as the Sean there's only two games he hadn't been sacked in assist these quarterbacks Jenna in doing their job first of all protection wise you can't have a great deal of protections to Texans the way they get into the backfield for their best players Andy Reid actually said he went asked about to Shawn Watson he said look. These are very similar quarterbacks both very smart both have great vision in the passing game great feat great kind of been able to stay in touch a little bit he's a great player he he's a great player for a long time had success at every level he played at and it'll be a great challenge for us as a team to get to go up against a team of that caliber which one these coaches is going to be to protect their quarterback. I know most of the tension most of the conversation will be about the quarterbacks because they're that good but who will you talked about the sax the tackles for losses so the team Defensive Front will Chris Jones get back to the level that he played at last year but I believe that the Texas have down in distance because that's when you can force Patty Mahomes to drive the ball down the field and create turnover so we'll bill O'Brien do that willie build and in those games he's been amazing ten total touchdowns in that so most of these coaches to me are under the spotlight as far as trying to create an advantage Houston Texans they have nine sacks fourteen tackles for loss five four fumbles combined between those two players so who's who's offensive line can hold up long enough for the advantage going against the chiefs offensive line because it's about negative plays how many tackles for losses how many sacks ten they create that put the chiefs in unfavorable it's GonNa be fun to watch especially with both quarterbacks where they are what do you think the key will be to this matchup who can protect their quarterback better without question their careers because statistically they remarkably similar they both won seventeen games in this league now mahomes only as five losses to Shawn's ten because to Sean started more games his they do it on a consistent basis and from a coaching standpoint which one these coaches are going to have some type of supportive running game so the defense doesn t all so from a pastor leadership both came into the League already knowing how to throw so there are one step ahead of some of these other veteran quarterbacks who have taken a couple years how similar are these two athletes all season was leading up to shout out by the way Jose Altuve who last night became the all time major league leader for postseason home runs by a second baseman I should teams even if you don't necessarily have the personnel to colts head especially on the offensive line you should try to mimic as much as you can what they did series with three home runs nick this is the matchup that we all wanted the astros in the Yankees would you WanNa see here I'm so excited for this this is what the entire baseball -ASEBALL the Houston Astros against the best lineup in baseball Chris's New York Yankees I'm so glad Garrett Cole pitch that Jimmy did last night eight eight innings to hit very very good athlete it's hard to say someone into Sean is a better pure athlete I can probably do more athletic things pat him homescan Jones is going to play I don't think the chiefs trick Chris Jones to play he's their best defensive Lineman even though they gave Frank Clark all that money he's the best interior passenger and run stuffer it's been the difference in what the he each has been supported with what what each has had to deal with I think Chris your point on the running game a really interesting one because I don't think window Shawn Watson is kept clean he's as good as any thoughts last week zero sacks for the second time in his career he has been sank zero times in a game both of those times because it's not just because they went to arrowhead and won their ability to keep the chiefs off the field was better than any team has done in this entire many Patrick Mahomes era you think about that Jose Altuve as ruined he's got another decade playing baseball out of became the all time leader in postseason run for a second baseman this is the best team that's what the Texans maybe should do I don't know what they will do Astros escape the division any plan major league baseball so it's hard to say guys a better athlete guy that could be a two sport but right obviously is pat in homes is one of the best throwers at the ball he sean has been sacked ninety nine times in his career patrimonial insect thirty five times wow so almost three times the sacks in only five more games it's get the ball up and down if it means short being intermediate down the seams and he's war accurate than than than Sean and the biggest difference what they've experienced CJ Moseley in the middle on the great linebackers came over from Baltimore they paid him all that money we haven't seen a whole bunch of him it's hard to run a defense and the jets I'm trying to match points with the chiefs and Sean mahomes dual if that happens as greatest show on is I think that favors the chiefs heavily if they try to do with the colts did the numbers this season slowest start of his career that could affect deck you've also got to key players hobbled with injuries tackles tyron Smith and welcome what the Texans be committed to running the football which is where the chiefs have been able to be had last year and this year or are you going to get caught up in really good opponent so they the Texans would are you trying to do something they have they have not done yet since Bill O'Brien has been the coach Bill O'Brien and Andy Reid to me there too key to the game around last night beating the race six to one they advance to the AL to face the New York Yankees and man Jose Altuve was a big reason why finish the in this game and they're gonNA lean on the play action pass because when you have offense of line problems we'll start to see this as a theme going throughout the season last week's game on Sunday the cowboys face the Owen Ford jets who finally get there great grey serious yeah race had a great series but it's nice to see the astros playing the Yankees which is what here fan of the game this is what you want the Astros top three pitchers ninety six million last night's Game New England plex pass was the number one pass why you can't depend on offensive line I can utilize tidying there's more security there's less received in yards allowed and they are on one of the most historic Red Zone streaks futility I've ever seen I heard this stat during last week's jets game and I could not believe it they were defense is bad not only as far as pointed they're giving up not only Russian pass in ratings so they can't stop the quarterback opposing quarterback and they can't stop you from Allen's that could also very well affect deck see what do you expect from the cowboys on Sunday honestly the cowboys to get well when you're talking about the defense is absent Over forty consecutive trips that the opponent has made to the Red Zone that the opponent has gotten points it's been over forty straight times that they failed to force a turnover amid running the football so this is a gay writing for Dallas look for them with their banged up offensive line to be able to get Zeke I'd be shocked Zeke doesn't get twenty carries escape one home run and that was it because it sets this matchup that'd be waiting for all you it is a classic match I'm looking forward to it we got our stage manager Joe like Yeah Brigham Nationals League the Question For Dallas is all about those two guys you mentioned and I'm not talking about Dak Prescott no Tyron Smith no lyle collins and so how can fifty five possessions of their own without getting into the red zone the jets are miserable and now they'll be better with SAM darnold but they're still right now one of the worst football teams you're going to be on your backup left tackle who played very poorly and then Green Bay game and then your backup backup tackle on the right hand side how big of an issue rookie season they both thrown for seventy two hundred yards in this league they both have won moms at sixty one touchdowns to destroy owns fifty six the difference is this in his career down favorites on the road and they should be because of the lack of talent overall on the jets team but I do want to see how this team looks without Tyron Smith and Lyle Collins Senate thigh contusion niners coming off a big win over Cleveland look into remain atop the NFC west. Chris Carter who's got the edge Sunday on Fox I'm a believer in San Francisco Order Back Dallas get it their quarterback Dallas looking at bounceback from their two-game skid questions mounting about Ezekiel Elliott that are injured it out and obviously affects the vision rivals going at it this year the raise as a team sixty four million this so the fact that even guy at five on Astros I think we're hold of the Jared Goff and the rams playing host Jimmy G. and those undefeated San Francisco Forty niners golf might be without his all pro running back todd Gurley who's been mind having to raise it should be a great great series I hope it doesn't take something away from the world series because what's happening on the other side but this should be field goal stop turnover on downs anything you get to the reds on the jets are coming away with at least three if not seven and they had they also had gone something like because I'm not certain that they will have tyrant Smith and Lyle Collins back the following week when they play arguably their biggest game of the year against the Philadelphia Eagles so this could be Klay just show on to better athlete than Patrick Mahomes patron homes about thrower I think that would you disagree with either one of those yeah I think it's both them ago I believe this is the first big message game I don't believe it was the Monday night game I believe methodically they felt like they had a huge advantage going against the browns but into the route but there's more protection and that's what I expect the Dallas cowboys to do no they have a weaker tackle on the left you know you have a weaker tackle on the right let's play it passer rating allowed their defense has been awful why well because they can't stop the pass over the might have a decent passer rating they're allowing for their bottom ten pass is that now the jets hadn't been able to get to quarterback this year they're thirtieth in the NFL and sack percentage so maybe this is a game where you can work some things out and the cowboys are touched it's the same in Green Bay teams that you know will be vying for playoff spots now the jets aren't in that in that category but let's be a little mall smart and Kella more you got to be a little more creative all right you're very good to I three games you went back to the rear window fill the last two games again you WANNA be in the same position Sean mcvay cal Shanahan they want to be in the same position they thought last year because their quarterback third week of the season he gets a good test case how will they look against Philli which obviously is a better pass rush than the jets and everyone talks about well let's get Zeke more and conduct to it's a domino effect if you have those two this year I don't think they're about to lose three games in a row this game at home the niners by the way they've been dealing without Joe Staley now they're going to be without Mike mcglinchey it looks like in this game the rams and that will be race all the questions will who have they play this is the game for the forty niners this is the game that John Lynch when he added all those points with Godwin and Mike Evans even the way Seattle was able to add in some regard with Tyler Lockett and I don't while I don't think the rams are the super bowl team they were like left television and they put all that responsibility and making them that general manager and I'm pulling for John Lindsay is a great guy and they brought cal Shanahan the year before that your creative in know your weakness and has to tackles on offense net quick point on the jets for you to the cowboys even though the jets are top ten in the league in yards per Russia a number of reasons one is Sean McVeigh's ten in one with extra time to prepare either coming off a bye at Thursday night game beginning of the season the one loss was to the superhuman bill this is the type of games that they thought that they would be playing when they pitched this idea to the owner this was the games they thought they'd be in San Francisco and the forty niners are back in the go-to besides George Kendall but I believe this is the message game for them any team in the NFL knows the best way to in the playoffs is win your division and you re got on Defense Richard Sherman would be another year removed from his Achilles tear to build stabilize that secondary now they still don't have another wide receiver for Jimmy Garoppolo I don't know exactly who the niners are just yet I know therefore no but I also know that four no is coming against Tampa cincy Pittsburgh and Cleveland della checks so against as worn sharp put it mortal coaches he's undefeated with extra time to prepare second of all the one place where the rams have been the most susceptible this year they play Seattle twice they play Green Bay they played Baltimore they play New Orleans and play the rams again this'll be a good test case for how they will fare over that final half of the year when the schedule we know they're going to be without kyle US check so so much of that power running game they've been elite at how how will they be in this football game so I so this is one that I think it'll surprise you but because I've been very skeptical of the rams picked them miss the playoffs but I actually disagree with you on this one I think there's a get right game for the rams and really hard but I think the rams even with potentially without Todd Gurley find a way to win this game and get back on the right that's what I want to ask you about and you touched on this yesterday the big injury news is that now curly has a thigh contusion whether or not it's related to the arthritic knee who knows but are the rams and the point where they just they just can't really depend on him anymore week to week I mean he's playing they didn't think the browns were that good didn't have any respect for the browns in this game respect game they got a lot of respect for what the rams are doing the way they built their team okay but he's played in minimal spots now might not even play that's the reality that's why use third round pick a lot of faith in a guy no you don't use a high draft pick respect it's not in the media you get respect from the guys in the league that have been winning and that comes with Seattle they gotta be legitimate and they got to build a B is that when you've been the doormat division and you and it's time to start facing those teams have been beaten you I think the rams had beat them four times in a row those are the games that and so I I am GonNa if they win this football game then you can say Ori San Francisco because they're real tough stretch of games final eight games lakes he's got takes I have a couple of weeks here's what we got going on over the course of the next three hours does Shawn Watson Patrick Mahomes they're facing off in Kansas City doll put their plans on hold for two thousand and nineteen so would they do they went out and got Nikki Bosa at him to the other four first round picks in the back end of their defense to leave peters are not playing great I don't know that the niners have the personnel to take full advantage of that the way Tampa did when Tampa like that to put a quality player in your program if you believe in a guy who a year before you made the highest paid running in history so they know they made a mistake but they can't admit that they made a mistake but this will be the story of Todd Gurley now back to nick as far as the Knicks Point Marcus fear and to lead thirty A._M.. Eastern for Chris Carter Nick Right on Jenna Wolfe so on everybody how much do you put the browns woes on Odell or on the relationship between Odell and Baker or just coming up a little bit short this season up with zero up to two and four because now you have another problem now you have your face another team has built with physicality and and you got a lead quarterback naked elevate his players around technique peters no technique once he gets into the game to leave for looking a little old at corner so when you look at these matchups in games you when you start getting anointed and crown start talking stuff speaking on other people rosters I told you guys Monday about how knew that he had piss people off how both was tackling we're trying to make them fall on his face right so now what happens is you we always talk about the Sophomore slump right and we have really seen the current quarterbacks come back and right over the top almost over the top of the upright just barely misses after a terrible delay of game penalty it the rams will be in real rough shape and what looks like the toughest division what is San Francisco going to do to build a help out there wide receivers and there's not one player in their offense if he's not there they take either power running game Joe Staley's out he's the best player that they have they steal power run the ball now they will miss fool back but they will run the same state that type of pressure and that many bodies into the box I'll have to be a great route runner all I got to do is get a good play fake and it's just meaning you my speed versus how in people have run on the rams this is going to be the best running team in the NFL when we get done San Francisco if the if you're right if San Francisco wins this game take that scrappy physical de can run through tackles so now you look at Baker Mayfield what is he at the face this week and I didn't hear talking about yeah we're two and three well go ahead even though you look at the roster that you're going to Cleveland has a better roster but now he has the face you know cloudy and Ziggy so now what happens when he flush now those ages bowl but I think they find a way to win the niners when they're in great shape five phenomenal concerns but they also when you not the quarterback part not yet but what you described with Seattle sounds a lot like Baltimore and they played their best game of the season steps back nope he's one of the first guys to take that have that sophomore slump and take a step back but as for reason is because they thought that he was ready to take more to playbook win this game on Sunday it's GonNa be very hard to survive this first half of the year yeah that's going to be a difficult situation for Cleveland because the style for which they're trying to play they wanna play the Arizona when you have Miami when you have a wounded Pittsburgh team twice these need survive this first half of the year but with the game after this one being at New England if they don't take more ownership when the offense too early so now he's trying to do too many things because he doesn't have the Weapons Eddie need it remember I said earlier this week to his house was built on Straw and the rams are in real real trouble did you go from three zero to Owen three with especially the stomach punch loss remember they lost last week Greg's airlines field goal eating because he's the guy that's the guy you know we know Dell's guys that can catch a slant and taking eighty five we saw it against the jets but we know land used to tough guy that much on on the outside and one thing San Francisco Gut say Godspeed keys good all right so next door they're going to get the best looks only you don't have to be a great receiver when I can Ford a lot of what you said except that last point I would not be shocked off the browns win this game okay. Their season has gone loss win loss win loss they've been the definition of inconsistent which is now he wasn't trying to run for his life he was picking a guy getting his eyes on them and letting it fly to them and that's why we saw the league ability that's why we saw the rookie is guided and I think it speaks to one Chris's concerns which is how many guys in that locker room had been through a playoff race how many of those guys locker room have touchdown record that's why we saw the accuracy I still believe that Baker Mayfield as leader but you have a lot of things to build learn about this league Freddie Kitchens I put on Baker Fake Phil that's usually what happens website's he scratched a nerve and when you know what it is when you scratch a nerve with the veterans and the players in the League a game plan because what they have now Jarvis Landry has been very consistent their problems have not been it's not bakers fault it's not Oh BJ's Baltimore presents a lot of those same problems so I think Cleveland's got some realis- shoes and I think Oh del looking for the bright side and two and three is a little miss receivers one tight end one back spread the field out still run the ball spread for Mason they like Calloway all right the trouble receiver just coming off a suspension you can see they tried to get him in the game plan Odell throwing the ball as much he's throwing the ball it lets you know they're trying to get involved in the game plan not the way you get a star receiver involved in playoff success because two and three dozen feel that bad yeah if you're used to own five if you're used to one and four but if you're used foreign one if you're used to competing for division two and three meaning his tackles are so weak that it doesn't matter who you have a receiver if I don't have the time for survey survey monkey and all I can do is throw quick stuff to landry you see landry does feel awful now the browns they're season's not over and we all knew that the back half of their schedules where things really soft and when you have Cincinnati twice when you have fault is their offensive line's fault because when you have a bad offensive line that becomes hard to play well Baker's plan in the League he went the he didn't see last year because he wasn't scrambling set he tries to release escape he's GonNa get pulled up throwing off the back foot and that's what a passes are gonNA come they are in trouble in trouble right now so I hung forty on Baltimore Russell Wilson no right no I get that part of it that's why I said not the elite quarterback part but we are talking about the problems that Seattle's defense good present not the Kinda guy that can lead in a culture he's gotta learn he hasn't won since he's been in the League he's GonNa play off one times so for the thing that they point when you have when you need a win desperately OBI's they don't need to be talking about getting need volume getting involved you need a win and Obi Jay he's understand what it takes to win ten game what it takes to win your division they don't Freddie kitchen and understand when locker room understands who and onto the eagles now they're getting ready for the Viking Sunday that game on Fox the last time philly played in Minnesota they were hoisting five hundred. CC WHO's got the edge in this game eagles or Vikings I gotta say the Eagles the Eagles right now given the Vikings offensive line problems and now where's the championship pedigree where's a playoff pedigree where's the peak care experience where is the leadership so when they're on the road sometime there are different team we believe that that's what pretty trophy but this season both teams are sitting at three into both teams with question marks surrounding their offense and both teams hoping for a win to stay above the last couple of years they've made a number of changes but they're still the weakest unit that they have on their team which exposes kirk cousins who is kirk cousins were trying to replace the real socks they're soft over there in Baltimore right now Neil they look good they're flashy and they have some physical players they're soft at the edges they're not bobby wagner isn't going to allow niche up to run crazy they're going to keep them Baker have to go through eight and twelve play drives he can't sustain it because all they have to do is get one offense of continuity problems the vikings are a running team after the last couple years dominated by the tandem of digs feeling on the outside right now their best player the best player I've seen play with the Vikings is Dalvin Cook he has been outstanding and offense runs through him the offensive line is are starting to come down and see the rush opposed to fill in a rush and keeping his is now through and make those plenty of very very careful Seattle Seattle is one team at home you're the team that is the most talented team in league one of the deepest teams in league you can go to Minnesota and get a win against a quarterback that has had one great game all year have to build a beat teams like Philadelphia and you have to play in a game where your quarterback is not a liability all right we've had complaints just hold up for a second that those edges are gonna come in and when it feels like the baker is the walls closing in on him and he feels like them get rid of the ball because he started to take a lot of hits and now he Komo homes running around half and it'd be great all the time we just need to be consistent but you can't do that we can't protect your edges so the key for Seattle is just don't let Baker in primetime we know that happened quarterback he's been when the Games really don't matter that much he's got some outstanding numbers but for the Vikings to reach their potential what leaving the blind right and you talk about the difference between a championship pedigree team like Seattle and you talk about it you try and compare them to Baltimore both receivers Adam feeling complain two weeks ago after the Chicago Game Stefan Da's complain and didn't come to work for a couple of days they seem to work some of those problems can't continue on this trajectory and go to Minnesota winning in Minnesota's toughened Minnesota's got a great running back Chris mentioned an excellent defense but if you twin more I think both of them I I believe it's going to be tough guy believe Carson Winston confidence standpoint this vikings defense they're for real and they're one team on the road agree back and look at their record since Pete Carroll has been there you win the twelve man they play with energy and everything sometime on the road your light out last week but that was just because of the opposition when you play a team like Philadelphia that's going to challenge you as far as your protection is going to be hard to throw the ball get a step further will then you've got to win your home game against Philly I I don't think the loser of this game is crossed off of the playoffs by any stretch of the imagination but it's hard to make go potentially happen this week and I know to that point I know their tune on the road this year that one first win came at Pittsburgh when Ben Rothlisberger got injured the second wing Rebecca had before but the offense of line has not given them the ability that they can utilize the talent that they have on the outside and now they have Dalvin Cook now there's I know there are secondary you can get some big numbers that interior seven last week we saw them catch fire. I believe that continues against the Vikings the Eagles got the the they haven't been consistently running the ball so to think the Philadelphia just going to march into Minnesota and get an easy win it's not going to be that way they got a lot of good football players great defense intact for we have to pay all these guys before all of them get so expensive we're GONNA try to in this two or three year maximum window with a better quarterback humint the loser of this game has any real super bowl hopes left and they both came into the season with it but I think philly continues what they did the jets not ten sacks but they're defensive line in this match I agree a hundred percent I know Philly's the underdog in this game I don't think they should be and it for both of these teams though if they actually are you're the super bowl contender that they thought they were going into this this year they got to win this game like either of these teams after the up and down start if philly words per game rushing that takes a lot of the pressure off Carson Wentz that's why Carson Winston these two Wins D. They've won and he's averaged one hundred and seventy five yards per game owning the ball effectively after the first two weeks of the season they were getting less than sixty yards per game rushing since then Jordan Howard Mile Sanders combining for I think over one hundred eighty nine getting back to being the strength of their football team to wear Carson Wentz doesn't have to throw for three hundred and twenty yards to have a chance to be equality opponent the office didn't improve because the offensive line they just took for granted that offensive line's going to continue to improve so kirk cousins is a better quarterback then then the unclearly but Robert Kraft is leaving the door open for a return saying quote we all love Gronk so we can always pray and hope along and if you're in Minnesota if you're the whole kirk cousins idea was we were this close to the Super Bowl with case keenum we will we while we still have this and yes they did think that they were very very close and they thought that they can improve their quarterback it would improve their offense they might have improved their quarterback play negative play because of the lack of productivity half tackles then it puts them behind schedule than what Baker have to do to play hero ball you can't play hero ball consistently we see a win comfortable and you're going to sit or kneel win they're going to they're going to sit early they're gonNA press bill that covered three we're gonNA make sure that they take away the deep out and make sure that Baker can't release the ball earlier because they know I defensive Minnesota is going to give a whole bunch of problems if they can't throw the ball deep which they hadn't been able to do says DJ got hurt they're going to struggle saying what do you make of that well I just think that and I heard Mr Kraft's last night during this interview and everything I just think people and I was came at Arizona team that's searching for who would actually is and so there yet to face a real road tests this season I think they will one hundred seventy yards. The Eagles will lose to the Vikings because they will not be able to run on the vikings the Vikings defense they'll make them one dimensional they don't have more than guards and look at it they're in the top eight essentially every major defensive category the defense is one of the best in football I'm wondering if Philadelphia can continue their turned of weapons for Tom Brady and the offense enter one rob Gronkowski the three times super bowl tied in the shirtless died end is enjoying retirement they only want me to play in the red zone they only want to play on third down oh I can go out there and go to the gym because we had a bi week I can do it for a couple of weeks and then get right back into shape in one season had gone into broadcasting working with HBO and then the Dolphins Get a number of receivers injured on a Monday night game and the general manager calls me central spot for me to land until I got the offer from HBO and decided to do that. I decided just on that phone call that I could come back because I had never thought about coming back we're going to expose that offensive line of Philadelphia to me there's not a huge advantage when I say who has the advantage by a

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Music really built the drama for me. What's going on? Everybody will per se gate is by day eve, Stephen a Smith, Mexico Linneman, Molly kera, we got a whole lot to talk about today. Rattling the bug battling the bug. I'm just trying to. Daughter guy. Be good. I'm here. I'm here. Let's roll. All right. We'll do it. All right. So you heard a who has a player option and can be a free agent. This summer is salty about recent stories referencing that a decision about his future had already been made. And that he was headed to the next day. It's right that the media us everybody needs to chill with the hype. Well, I don't think he's right about high. But I do think he was right with some of the things that he said, and I stand by stand by one hundred percent in that regard. Let me be very clear. Kevin Durant was not complaining about being asked questions about free agency. If you simplify it to that level you've missed the boat. What Kevin Durant is complaining about is his words being twisted. A and B more importantly, he literally called out a reporter by saying you didn't talk to me he talked to nobody. You scour the room, you go and you right? But you're right. That's Ethan strassler the letter to address far as I'm concerned. He's a pretty damn good reporter. I'm familiar with his work. He's well respected. And I'm certainly not here to cast any aspersions on him. The only thing that I would say Ethan Strauss's that I just don't know what I would do if somebody looked into the camera with right in front of my face and said, you don't talk, you know, talk to you. You don't talk to me, right and stuff. Like you talk to me. Like, I said it see that's the key point here. He's not getting on somebody about their opinion. What he is saying he directly accused somebody right in front of their face if indeed when he said, yeah, you broke. So I'm assuming that that's who he was talking to because I couldn't see the other camera angles. Obviously if you accuse somebody to their face of not talking to you and then writing stuff as if they did talk to you, you got a problem meaning that reporter, that's. Not the problem with the athletes, and that's one of the things that we have to park in terms of dissecting and picking apart. What Kevin Durant said that all of this other stuff about I just wanna play ball and go home. No, you signed a contract part of it entails media obligations. Sorry, you're wrong on that point. But when you call out a reporter is directly as he did. And you accused the report of not talking to you. But speaking and writing as if he has spoken to you. Well, that'll get a whole bunch of reporter's roundup. Make no mistake about that. And I think that the other part that Kevin Durant said is that because he left from Oklahoma City to go to state if you remember I was on the record. And I said it was the weakest move that I'd ever seen by superstar to this very day. I stand by that. But that doesn't mean that. Kevin Durant is wrong. All the time. It doesn't mean that every word that comes out of his mouth is flawed or faulty because he went to go to the state. And so if you've got folks approaching. Him. And the narrative is always with the backdrop that he went from. Okay. See the Golden State and hop on the bandwagon. You're highlighting how he's not number one. He's not better than LeBron Nike knows this cetera et cetera. That stuff that's going to get and robbed up. So we understand that. But if that's how you feel in that's going to lead the narrative of any of everything why bother talking to him. So I didn't have a problem with what he said because I thought that some of the points that he made was incredibly valid k D's not right? He's wrong. And I'll be one of those people who missed the boat because this was very much about him saying let me just play ball. K D knows that listen, what's so great about the NBA other than just the action on the floor, which no doubt is great. I love the NBA have since I was a little kid has an amazing product on the floor. It is fueled nowadays a lot of the interest in the league by speculation about free agency and stuff that is. Part of the drama. That's part of the soap opera people follow. That's part of what pays D's salary. Not just the salary from the NBA the sneaker money to the interest in K D, the reason he's in global star a superstar a lot of it is that drama, the that's how people stay interested. It's not a lot of. It's the basketball. I agree. But of K D doesn't want people speculating this this extends past K D. But he's wanted me statement tout, his free agent destination. It has destination of free agency. Then I would suggest players start signing five year deals, if you don't want speculation, you know, why were speculating with all these two year deals you refrain every other year one of the best players in the league is that it'd be a free agent. So we're gonna speculate, you know, why K D because you're awesome. And I think this is really why K D is salty. It's let's talk about Katie the basketball player. You want us to sit here and say, he's great. Eight K D. We know you're great. You're one of the best players ever. Like anyone can see that? And he's right. He tries to play the right way on every possession. And by the way, offense and defensively. He forget about just talent everything what he's born with. He has worked himself into being one of the best players ever, by the way, even his personality. He refused to let the media after wild just paint him in the kind of easy way. E always a small town could no he's more complex and interesting for that than that. So for both of those things good for K D. I can only imagine if every time I turned on the TV, and I'm one of the best Everett. What I do. I hear someone like me pointing out what I don't do or some reason to think that I'm a front runner. So why John joy the seventy three win team. I know how that would feel like hold on ninety nine percent of what I do is positive. But fifty percent of the coverage is negative that's legitimate. Of course, it's more interesting to talk about the frailties and the flaws in the characters of the people we know that just what? They do great. I could imagine that wears on him over time. And so he gets salty. But to complain that the media is speculating about is free agency destiny Shimon, you gotta be kidding me. I think here's where you missing the boat. Will you missing it is that it's not about complaining about the media speculating. It's them attaching direct feelings to him without possibly knowing if Kevin Durant has not told you or somebody directly in his camp has not directly told you. This is what he's considering. You can say that you heard you can say that the scuttle what around the league you see me on on on these airwaves constantly. I'm very careful about telling you this is what I'm hearing. This is what the scuttle butt is. If there's somebody that I spoke to directly. All right, then I'll sit up there and say, you, you you, you know, we got this from something along those lines. You have people he is swearing up and down. He hasn't spoken to them. He doesn't speak to them. And yet and still this is what they're saying. Now, Kevin the rent in the interest of full disclosure. Remember, kevin? The rent, and I had a problem. Kevin Durant sat up there and said years ago. I don't talk to Stephen now. We've spoken sense. But at that particular moment of time, he said, I don't talk to Stephen ain't nobody in my can't talk to Stephen eight, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, why did I go on the attack because it was a lot the one I was just with him a few months earlier when we were at forty forty his brother, and I had spoken as his mama came on this show for crying out loud. You know, whether it's rich climb. It's Jay z and the clue I've known them for years. So what are you talking about? So it was a clear flame asking. But when you are reporter and the man looks at you in front of everybody with the cameras rolling. And he says, I'll talk any talk to me he talked to anybody, and he just looks around the room and surveys the locker room, and then goes and acts like I said it that's where the problem. Here's the thing though. That is true that is K D can speak for himself. If he's never spoken to Ethan Strauss. He can save. That right. How can you be sure that no one in his camp or no one who at least assumes that they understand his mind because they've spoken to him. Good. How can we be sure that hasn't spoken to win that good point? Which is why I think that's why I say is really needs to be very very careful about casting any aspersions on straws because he didn't do anything. He might not have done anything wrong. But what I'm saying is Kevin Durant made a very direct and public. Yeah. The best the best part about all this. It's going to be hilarious either. He signs with the Knicks. And it's like you'll Katie what are you talking about? Or he doesn't sign with the Nixon. It's like great job on the porzingas trade Knicks. Well, this is going to be interesting, by the way, I'm hearing from around the league that folks think he is going to the New York Knicks. But notice what I said, I'm hearing around the league, right? Ninety enough from Kevin Durant. Harm Robert here. Robert, somebody burned down, my she shed no one burden down, your she shed shero all really victim. Because my she sheds burning up in the backyard because she shared with struck by lightning, Cheryl, Robert to state farm cover. My she shed shed. She turned are shed mature hideaway, Robert. Oh, yeah. That's covered. You hear that Victor? I'm getting a new she or she head. Can we stop his she shed now go with a win? That's here to help life go, right? State farm. Talk to an agent today. There's been a lot of criticism of late with players wanting to control their own destiny. While the face of the league was hot on this issue, highlighting the hypocrisy with the owners LeBron posting on his in regards to Harrison Barnes being traded during last night's Mavericks game against the Hornets. Let me read it to you. So let me get this is cool because they had to do what was best for the franchise right traded this man, while he was literally playing in the game and had zero idea I'm not knocking traded in because it's a business, and you have to do what you feel is best. But I just want that narrative to start to get real change. Not wanna player wants to be traded or leaves a franchise that he's a selfish ungrateful player. But when they trade you release wave, cut, etc. It's best for them. I'm okay with both honestly, truly am just call a Spade a Spade. Alright so LeBron trying to highlight the hypocrisy there. Jalen rose in the house to see you as always. Yeah. Good, mark. Stephen does the NBA have a serious problem. Well, they do in this respect. Lebron is absolutely right. As he was alluding to what the public feels and how it stigmatizes plays and doesn't do the same when it comes to ship, teams management, etc. You don't hear those things being a sad about executives making decisions? I might have disagreed with to some degree with Thomas, and the problem that he had with Danny at the particular moment in time that Danny aines, let them go assuming of course there. Danny Ainge didn't look him in the face. Tell them one thing it didn't do another. But in the end because I my man my mentality is only seen a lot was face is business. We get all of that. And you didn't hear anything about Danny age. But you heard a lot of things will you would have heard a lot of things about Thomas if she was on other foot. So LeBron is right about that. But when it comes to the league itself, here's where you have a problem. You have the animus on a part of the players. That alternately is going to tran- transfer over to them because you're always going to have some resentment of those in power the NBA continuously wins. And collect the boggling. They continuously get most of the things that they want a lot of these things can be resolved. If your players association were to make an I'm certainly not trying to cast any aspersions on Michelle Roberts who just started at the job a few years ago. And I think it's doing it outstanding job, but in terms of history, there are a bevy of collective bargaining agreements that we can point to that simply were not that favorable to the players from the days of Simon Gordon dean and on to Billy hunter and others. There's been plenty of deals where we looked at it. And we said this is not a great great deal for the players and the players will turn around and resent the league for it. That's problematic because at the business negotiating table both sides of trying to win what it is they want. Now, you say you understand business. But the reality is you. You usually resent the outcome when you don't perceive it as working in your favor and a lot of times, particularly in this day and age with the advent of social media and beyond because the players have more of a voice now more so than ever before if you harbor those kind of feelings, and you believe you have that level of influence, it will build and and all your resolve to the point that once you go back to negotiating table, and they ain't going back a while. Well, ultimately, if you get to that point, you're going to have a low, you're going to believe you have a level of leverage that you may not have had in the past. And that's where it could become problematic for the league. Believe doesn't have a problem. They have partners and the partners are called the players. Now, you're right about the CBA because the players are negotiating against a virtual monopoly. So while the league has had a very good attitude toward their player business partners. It's still from the point of view of the monopoly were being generous here, we're not really forced to do these things necessarily. And so the players use what leverage. They have to counteract that look. You're an NBA player. You one of the best to ever did it at what you do. You've got to the height of your profession. The league already has rules in place to ensure that you have to leave so much money on the table to leave your team that virtually no top player in the history of basketball has left before year six the year before they can be a free agent. They tried to force a trade. So they can get more money from their new team. Because if you wait to leave in free agency, you have to eat leave even more money on the table. In other words, that no point do you get to choose where to play without leaving tremendous amounts of money on the table, unless you force a trade. So of course, they're gonna force a trade in what boggles my mind about. All this think about this laissez faire attitude that the that the league has when it comes to selling franchises. Right. Do you know why players want to go play in LA for the Lakers or maybe now the clippers? It's not just at the franchises are run. Well, which they are it's that they're in LA people want to be in LA. That's why the Lakers cost ten times. The pelicans cost notice the league when it comes time to sell the franchise doesn't tell the owners, you know, what we're going to have a set price for every team. Sorry, lakers. Sorry next. We know your markets more desirable. Therefore, your teams are worth much much more money. Can't sell it for four billion the average price. We've decided arbitrarily or based on some formula is one billion. So everyone gets no when it comes time to sell the franchise, they take what they can get right. The same reason. Those franchises are more expensive. Is the reason the players wanna go there. Now, you can still mismanage that as the Knicks have right until maybe recently, we'll see. But the idea that the league has a player problem is ridiculous. They already got them in place for six years, which is way more than half the time of your average career six years in the same place. What do they want? Hey, guys. I think you guys are making the wrong argument for me is not about the CVA for me. It's not about leaving money on the table. And that excuse me that large market argument doesn't. Max people aren't just lining up to go to New York or going to LA when you get a chance look at the lottery standings, the Millar smarter as loan at large markets are in it, including Chicago. Here's the thing when you sign up to do a business deal and once we exchange funds. It ain't personal no more is business. And as a player the reason why the league does not have a problem. We know when the trade deadline is don't ya? Gotta ticker countdown. Trae dayline, we know when that's coming. You get a chance to anticipate being traded their only ten players currently in the league that have played at least eight years that have stay with one team. It comes with it. You're going to get moved. I got traded from Toronto to New York own sane data teams played each other. I woke up into Ronco if flew home with the Knicks stayed in a hotel that night, it comes with the territory and also being traded ENA bat. Thing. Everybody throws that around like, it's a bad thing. It wasn't back with kyri to get traded from the cast to the Celtics. They were Baylor squad. It wasn't bad for car to leave San Antonio. He wanted to leave. Lebron wanted to leave the blonde is not about it's not about rob. And everything that's that. It's about the player is not known. Lebron's comment is about him getting traded before the game. He knew he was getting traded number one. So that's a misreport number two is when you know, you could get traded guess what that's twenty four seven three. Sixty five Tobias hairs made a game winning shot. It got traded to the Sixers. And that's the greatest thing that could have happened to the mom saying LeBron to thrust of LeBron's comet is when teams play trade players knowing that tonight. That's fine. Right. But if a player wants to take his fate into his own hands, that's a problem. So when we asked the league have a problem I entered that saying the league have a problem if play. Exercise power. I am saying no nobody had a problem with Cari exercising power Jimmy Butler exercising power. Lebron James exercise in power. They got a chance to choose what they wanted to go. And they want me to free agent shit. Right. That's why it's no problem with the league what I'm polluting too. And I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying. But what I'm alluding to is a different point. I'm alluding to it openly. Being a pow a problem down the line as it pertains to the league and the dominion that they wanna have over the players. I'm saying the path that it's going towards you've never you might have had problems before in the past where played with articulate and verbalize his dissent with the with the league itself and the power that they have we hear about that with the National Football League. And with the NFL you hear about players and and plays association alluding to collect the bargaining negotiation. That's coming up in a few years, and they can't wait because it might be a holdout, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, why. Because the advent of social media. Beyond have given voices to the relative voiceless. And I'm saying that the NBA obviously has maximized that reality more so than any other professional athlete. So when you look at it from that perspective what we're talking about in terms of peace. Now, I'm saying moving forward, they're giving you an indication of the kind of things that rouse them up. It's not an issue now because you're under this collective bargaining win for the next several years, and you're good. But at some point in time the path that it's going towards you're going to see that. That's all again, I want to talk about the exact example Harrison Barnes one he left, the Golden State Warriors won a championship. He went to doubt. It's for the money. They pay them ninety million dollars. And they're in the lottery. They just got Porzingis their parent here with Luca. He's on the outs. Now, he's going to Sacramento they're better right now than Dallas. And you're going to get paid. He has a chance to make the playoffs this year. So the league does not have. This. Not right. Well, the game has never been more popular two players that never been more popular and people with the money in the game. Yeah. Just part of the business all trains never person. All right. Appreciate it. Jalen. Thank you. Hey, it's Dan Patrick here to tell you about the Dan Patrick school. The sportscasting of teamed up with full sail university to create a sports casting bachelor's degree you work both on and behind the cameras and you build skills for the future of sports. So you can connect with audiences. No matter where they are or how they're winning in learn more about full sail. Universities Dan, Patrick school to sportscasting by going to full sail dot EDU slash, Dan. Patrick school. There is no better motivator in sports than our very own. Max Kellerman hater of the year. And he gave New England plenty of fuel on their way to their six Super Bowl championship. Joining us now are two of the now defending champs pats running back Sony, Michelle and president of the max fan club. Kyle van noy. Men. Congratulations. And thank you for being with us for us. All right Kyle. I want to start with you. We just heard your comment. What do you have to say to Mr. Kellerman, but all the motivation, he provided you with? First of all, I didn't I didn't have that sign. So I had that sign out prior to throw it in the trash because that's just giving him too much credit now because there's other people that pride deserve a more. I mean, yeah. Rob part of that should be moving to Mexico right now because he said we couldn't beat the chiefs. So there's a couple of others. But you know, we just enjoy everybody that doubted us and thank you max. Yes, they I was waiting for. That is simple. Thank you would have been fine. Let me say, congratulations. Even though took it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. But nevertheless as usual the patriots either in the Super Bowl or win the Super Bowl take your pick this year. It's win the Super Bowl. Kyle. I take back. What I said about rather having rivers than Brady, obviously that was wrong. But I stand by Patrick Mahomes. He outplayed your guy. He Tom Brady. Threw an interception to end the AFC championship game pre snap penalty. You got the ball back. What do you say about that? We won the Super Bowl. You can't say nothing. I mean, you can see here and argue with me all you want the end the day. He's the go and we won another Super Bowl. And just look on your smile says it all. Listen, let me get in here. Guys. First of all, congratulations. Congratulations. I I gotta ask you guys. This though looking at this season. Did you get to a point where you had some doubt simply because you know, adamant wasn't there at the beginning of the season. Josh Gordon, ended up being exile rob gronkowski in and out in terms of injuries. Or what have you was there any point where you will questioning whether or not you guys will be able to get it done strictly for health or other reasons other than just being on a football field and a plant. I mean for me as a rookie. I had no doubt because being around so many veterans. I know these guys been through this before and they told me we've been in this position before after we lost to gains back to back. And it was like listen to just gotta stick together and locker room, you can feel that Gaza just believing in each other. And we just kept working put our heads down at work. Look, obviously, you won this time then noy, but I'll get you next time. I'm getting my hate up already for next year. But seriously, Tom black in the past and the not too distant past Tom Brady was used to sometimes cover up for other. No football team is perfect for other imperfections on on the team throughout your run this year. You played the Kyle you played lights out Sony. You said you played lights out were great. I give credit where it's due Sony. The running game was no joke. You know, like you guys relied on your defense and Gironde game. And yet Tom Brady and the big moments. You gotta give it to him. He's clutch. But throughout a lot of that game. Not the same guy. You telling me I'm wrong about Brady being in the Clark. Yeah. I'll take his wet noodle arm. Any day? He he he's he does say he is an excellent communicator. He's excellent at what he does he gets everybody orchestrated and runs the offense to the best of his ability with Josh mcdaniels and for him to have on the other side was Sony and the other weapons we have a receiver. We know as a defense. We just got to keep giving giving them the ball ain't chance we can get the ball back in their arms. We know they're going to eventually score. And that's exactly what they did in the Super Bowl. We knew if we keep kept getting stops. We knew they were going to score and they eventually did. And we win the game again Sony. I wanna talk to you. When you got drafted a lot. You might be the Steelers. You might be the steal the draft. He's so mad. The best postseason not only for rookie. But any running back in history. I'm looking at your numbers six rushing titties only three games the only score in the Super Bowl. What are you credit that success to credit? Tune starting off into coaches believing in this team is offense to execute. They're getting plan. And obviously it goes out to the guys that starts with. And that's the opposite line the receivers they gotta go crack blogging before bag James Devlin. I think those guys need more credit than I did. Because if you can see that play it was wide open. Hope you put any running back back then scores. So I mean, I'm excited to be a part of a offense like this. And it's been a pleasure to guys just started baby cacao. I wanna throw this Sony's a bad. Boy, don't question that. No question ain't I do get processed do. But I gotta get to you and your defense because a year ago in the Super Bowl y'all lost to a backup quarterback who really isn't a backup. Nick foles can play. We get all of that. I want to know how much of a motivation was that going into the Super Bowl? Because the the biggest reason I picked Challah win the Super Bowl, even though I didn't think I would be Kansas City in the AFC championship game. I know I know, you know, I know you're not stutter but props weds do. But the reason I the reason I taught job would win the Super Bowl because I said I can't see Tom Brady and Bill Belichick losing back to back Super Bowl. But never in my wildest dreams that I believe there's defense would play as well. As y'all play in this game talk to me about how much of a motivation lashes lost Philadelphia was. It's a really good point. You made. I think it was a big motivation all year. I think if we say here say it wasn't a mauve motivation. We'd be lying to you. But it was I think the guys understood that and we didn't want to walk off that field with other people's confetti coming down other teams confetti, and we we made a promise to each other that we would come out here, and do whatever he could to get away with that w and to go in that we obviously we didn't think we're going to hold them to three just because there was such an explosive team, but coaches gave us a good game plan. And we put a clinic out there baby. It was what was Todd Gurley not himself. Or was it just that he was going up against y'all that day because a lot of people speculating as to Todd Gurley feeling looking a bit differently than the Todd Gurley folks that seat throughout the regular season to that Chelsea as former teammate. To me. I think he he's an elite player. I don't know what they got going on as none of my business to me. It looked like there. They have maybe some stuff behind closed door. That's going on that. We don't know because he's a top dog. And he should have got the ball a lot more than what he got. He's he's the truth. And you know, I think it was just a struggle of finding their identity in the Super Bowl. I mean, we kinda stopped everything. So I don't know what to tell you who we kind of we played a really we played a really good game defensively and made it hard for them. You know, they're they're really good team. But we were just a better when they tell you what really annoys me about you patriots. Okay. Let me just tell you. What really annoys me? It's not even the roughing the passer penalty that was nonsense that a fifteen yards in the first down a kit that drive alive against the chiefs. No, it's not just stuff like that. It's the fact that somehow somehow Bella chick picks you up late in the first round Sony. Michelle. And Kyle van noy like he could go in with a gun in a mask to get. What did you get traded for six round pick or something traded for pennies, man? It's not even the Bella chicken with can get rob the people in the draft other teams. Do you feel like when you heard you were getting traded to the patriots? What were you thinking? Finally, getting play chess not checkers, baby. I mean to get traded and play for coach like him and then to play with elite players that they have here. Is it dream come true? And I'm blessed to be in the position that I am I'm playing next to you know, one of the best up and coming running backs if not the best right now. But no doubt. He's great. Yeah. Com. That what you mean? That's what I mean. Did you watch the postseason? Yes, Sony, Michelle. Listen, let me just let me just let me just congratulate you both. The fact is that your outstanding play clearly overcame, Tom Brady's declined. And yet. So you went another one another Super Bowl. Congratulations. Haven't enjoy another year of talking about Tom again? The cliff house on your house. Let's not forget the cliff. You'll even deserve that hater. Hater back. It's mine. I wanna fair square. Kyle sony. Congratulations. And thank you guys for the time. Appreciate it. Take care. Let's consider the secret life of the innermost nesting doll living, most of her life in the dock inside the other nesting Dole's. He has plenty of time to think if we could sadly, she has no brain, however, when in the most nesting dole. Here's the Geico not only saves people money, but also has been providing great service for over seventy five years. She thinks it's obvious. You should switch because. Yes. Switching to gyco is a no brainer in a most nesting Dollond her lot in life. Everyone. This is sportscenter right now. I'm on the Collins with news out of the NFL. Details continue to emerge surrounding Antonio Brown in his latest alleged domestic dispute, according to the police report obtained by ESPN last month on January seventeenth Brown. Allegedly pushed the mother of his daughter to the ground during an argument. The woman said she went to Brown's home to drop off their child to get reimbursed for their daughter's hair appointment in the police reports she mentioned her wrist was injured and showed police some scratches with scab ING while the woman dig report the incident, she later declined to complete a big damalf Sabit nor restless made and new charges were filed. Antonio Brown's attorney has released a statement in light of the recent developments in part saying, quote, the close the clothes police report proves that in Tonio Brown. Did absolutely nothing wrong for more. Let's get you back to I take. Water keeps getting hotter for one Antonio Brown. Stephen, what's your reaction to the latest? We just heard my reaction to it is that the lawyer fan Tonio Brown, certainly didn't help them with that last statement because it is in tightly plausible that the police might have interviewed her knew that it was going nowhere and said why bother we don't like that. But that's something that many many women who have been victims have complained about in terms of police and how they're not proactive and instead are reactive to things that's number one number two. Once again, my position from yesterday has not changed one bit. My position is that innocent or guilty. The fact is there's nothing good that Antonio Brown has been in the news about since the last week of the NFL regular season. And this is a man that cares about his reputation, and it's literally dissipating and diminishing or actually. Cheerier rating before very is. And that's something that he needs to pay attention to he needs to monitor. What he does he needs to monitor who he's around. He needs to monitor his temperament because see here's where the part where I get really really uncomfortable. How much you wanna make a bet that if we keep talking about this stuff? We're going to see footage of Antonio Brown on the sideline getting in to the face of an offensive coordinator. Or one of the assistant coaches how much you want to make a bad about that. Of course. Because what that's going to do is depict visually, the kind of anger. He's capable of having. It has absolutely nothing to do with this incident at all. But they will they you know, folks will do pictures do video will portray it that way. He does not win. So the bottom line is they he needs to be incredibly careful. All right. And he needs to Egypt needs to be more diligent in his approach towards doing the right thing. And also. Vein that he's in displaying that he's doing the right thing in the public. There's of course, these are allegations. There's a presumption of innocence legally, I think as I mentioned yesterday in the public square, I think there's oftentimes a presumption of guilt. I'll say this. Antonio Brown's reputation at this point, you know, we think about the the best forgive me for making it about football. We think about the rip the best receivers in the game. Three are often mentioned Julio Jones and Tonio Brown owed L Beckham junior. They seem to be on their own tier even as others say apologies to someone who really should be. But those are the three that are most often mentioned the kind of. So you think about what kind of receiver do or player do teams want? The number one is who you Jones who just keeps his head down and works. He's incredibly productive greet talent. And just does his job isn't a prima Donna stays out of the news. And all those things that's the guy that teams want the most and you look at Antonio Brown like not that long ago. It was an Tonio Brown next because he's a bit of a pre Madonna, but then owed L Beckham seemed to be the biggest prima, Donna. And so he was the guy who didn't want. But when you look at the kind of controversy Odell has been involved in off. Off the field of play things like he's partying in Miami. There was an unfortunate picture from a hotel room. Again. He's like. In circumstances. That league of sure would rather not see him publicly. But it didn't he wasn't hurting anybody. You know, it wasn't that he wasn't being accused of hurting anybody these are different kinds of allegations and different kinds of it's a different kind of controversy. It's not just degree. It's kind. It's a different kind not a difference of degree. And this is this makes Antonio Brown. More toxic two teams. I believe than he was before. This news came out, even though I understand it's still allegations. Nevertheless, it's one thing after another. And now what we're hearing about are serious things. Not just not just salacious things serious. Listen, do his ado. Innocent until proven guilty legally guilty until proven innocent public in the public eye. That's unfortunately, the situation that NFL players are facing professional athletes were primarily NFL players with some of the things that have happened in recent memory. Here's why you don't feel but so much sympathy for an Tonio Brown. He's not juju Smith Schuster. He's not twenty one twenty two years of age. Just getting in Lincoln the second year. This man has been around for a decade. This man is thirty years old. He knows the NFL inside. And out matter of fact, he went about the business of Kalki calculating Lee, and you know, calculatedly and very skillfully. I might add really building his image to be the kind of entertainment entertaining superstar somebody that dances in the end zone. Somebody that's shows up on various shows showed up on dancing with the stars things of this nature. He's done a great deal to ingratiate himself with the public high in an effort. To monetize his brand. We get all of that. So you know, what comes with this? You knew exactly what you would do it. When you were building yourself up, which means you're responsible for whatever tear down as in a process because that means at the very least you weren't responsible enough to protect your image. And that's not paramount and this particular situation, which paramount in this situation. Make sure are you innocent of this. Are you innocent or guilty of this? Because let me tell you something we've heard and Tonio Brown speak on too many cages, you certainly win at Emanuel Steward on Twitter on social media. When when he was at the NF when he was on the NFL. Many. You'll sanders. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Molly menu. Santa's. Okay. So you go after these guys you spoken out. But with this incident, you have nothing to say see, these are the kind of things that people talk about when you are so quick to speak up about anything else pertaining to you. But with something like, this, you have absolutely nothing to say again in the court of public opinion. We understand legally how that would be wise. But then a couple of in the quarter public opinion, it serves an element to contribute to your indict quickly before we go to break the police report, it's disturbing. I'll be interested to see what the NFL finds and their investigation. I hope it's a thorough investigation. And I'll be watching how they handle it regardless of the outcome, and I'm saddened I children and for him and the female involved. It's an unfortunate situation all around that they have to deal with this now and hear about it in the media. Let me tell you about Pete who loved hockey and always wanted to play in the NHL Pete Glades since he was three and begged his mom to let them stay on the ice by some nights. He even slept in toppy skates. Pete practiced and practiced until one day when he was forty seven peak realized he just wasn't that good. So he threw his skates in the trash. But then you heard how DIKO proud partner of NHL good save money on car insurance. 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03/02/2021 - Hour 2 - NFL Players Keep Getting Screwed + NBA champion Antonio Daniels

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03/02/2021 - Hour 2 - NFL Players Keep Getting Screwed + NBA champion Antonio Daniels

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You know we see this happen every so often it is the nfl right and a year after signing kyle van noy was a team capped two time super bowl champ. Anyone is rings in new england. They signed him in miami to a four year. Fifty one million dollar deal rob thirty million of it supposedly guaranteed and then after one season last year they cut him so he got his twelve and a half million dollar salary. Now he did have fifteen million dollars guarantee so but that's it he doesn't get the rest of that guarantee money because he had to be on the roster to get it The rest of that contract is gone. Kaput and way. He thought he had four years of security and it turned into one and now he's a free agent. We'll see if he's able to make that up. He had a solid year. Not a great year. But a solid. You good We'll see if he makes it up rob but but that's life in the nfl and that's why a lot of these players envy the baseball and basketball player known. Get their money. you have we. Of course yes that it was a one hundred million dollars to it. Hit is dollar four hundred million dollars contract. It is if football you better do your research. You better read the fine print because often times it might be a quarter of that it really rob is only two bonus money that you're assured of getting and i guess maybe that first year that's all it is chris. It's but but this is why the players have to fight to gig guarantee. I'd rather have a real contract chris. That's only two or three years. But it's guaranteed money. Do you know what i mean. Like he signed a four year deal. I'd rather have a two year deal with guaranteed money for both years rather than some phony deal that they can do as it is right. Yeah i look what. When when i've talked i don't know what your conversations have been like but when i've talked to you know guys in the nfl or who used to be an nfl about this. And i'm like don't need to get guaranteed deals. You know you get some pushback. And i'm talking about you know guys that were in the union and all that of could have feelings because because they get ripped on all the time about how weak it is chris to help benefit guaranteed contracts but they also bring up that day. And i'm not make an excuse. I'm just telling them what they say that they do. You know you got fifty three men in football whereas in baseball you got half of that not even basketball you got even less. You got twelve. Fifteen guys on the roster. So that's why they say. It's hard to guarantee. But i would say this rob if that's the case then there should be something where if you're a starter for a certain number of years or you make it all pro team or a pro bowl once or twice whatever you should be eligible for guaranteed contract. Because i get it if they can't give it to the forty seventh man on the team. Okay but there. There should be steps levels. Were if you've proven yourself as a guy who's going to have a substantial career a long career you know then you should be able to get a guaranteed deal because you said this is nothing so this is. This is where i think. Those guys are have been brainwashed and have been taken advantage of manipulated. Body owners. Chris the nfl. All they do is print. Money brag about how much money to league makes. So this whole notion that they can't guarantee to forty seventh man's contract. Whose only making a million dollars is nonsense. And here's the other part that nutrition carry that many players. You can't guarantee them a contract and you tune guarantee where where you need guys. Well i know but everybody needs to be everybody. Else's guaranteed to coaches contracts guarantee everybody but these players it. It's just not right and the players have to be willing to fight for because a wa baseball chris. It's not just a twenty five man roster twenty seven man roster they have twenty minor league teams did not make millions of dollars but the expenses all the other stuff that goes with it. Do you know what i mean. So they're footing the bill. You can't tell me that the nfl which has no overhead chris for minor leagues no overhead. They have known that they can't do it if they want to. They can't do it. I don't know why players buy into this whole world baseball. And he got twenty five. We got forty seven so we know but you gotta be willing to fight for it. And that's what they haven't been able to do their there. We're ready to fight over practice days but not healthcare chris and not not guaranteed contracts. Then next union deal it. Better have those two at the top of the list. I'm serious. I think you and i've had conversations with some guys at the same time and yeah donate. They have all these reasons. Why can't whatev- right. I agree with you. Need some security so at least for those years. You know that you're getting that money. It's as simple as that. And here's another aspect of iraq. This is why and i respect contracts. I mean we have contracts fox but this is why. I'm not mad at a shawn watson. Now i think he's he doesn't have leverage although i think eventually i think he's gonna get what he wants. Which is a trade but this one. I'm not mad at him because the owners are breaking contracts left and right and so if he wants to do it then so be it. you know they. They don't have to explain why they wanna they. Are they explaining why they're cutting cavanaugh salary. Cap it helps them save money but deputy tended explanation. But course that's the system that the why would players. This is my only issue. Okay those union guys who always push back on us when we talk about. How bad it is chris. Just answer me this. What contractor you sign where only ownership has a right to let you go at any point but if you have a better year kristen what. Your contract is uk. Go out of this. I want to opt out and go somewhere else. Where i can make more money. It's one sided right. Why why would you allow them to get. You signed me to a four year deal. Why are you allowed to get out. Auto say well you know you can come back big ben but you've got to take a pay cut. No i signed the deal. What do i have to. When i had my great year. Right chris. i couldn't. I couldn't get a raise. No already signed for that money. That's what they will tell you in big business k if a player's willing because they have a salary cap now if you want to get rid of salary cap that's a whole nother thing but i i don't mind big ben. He's going to get his money if he wants to. Spread it out so that they can sign other guys. I'm fine with that as long as he's fine with it but you are right evatt we got a contract right and whatever our contract says we are going to get that money and you're right. It's not like oh they have the power to just fires and get rid of our contract not to pay right and this is should be the same thing with these players and i agree with you. I don't know man. I think the owners play on these players feeling of financial insecurity like we're so thankful we're so growl i got a ten million dollar bonus which you know nothing to at but the owners know they just gonna take what they got because it's so much better than what they had growing up or whatever the case no at one hundred percent and and that's also chris. The problem i think is that it's hard for people to stand up to these guys. When when you're you sound ridiculous or your family or whatever they say what are you crazy. What do you mean you turn down. Four million dollars. Do you know what i mean. No but i'm worth eight million. You know what i mean by but you would have a hard time convincing your family that you turn it down four million dollars but that's not how it goes that's why the union it has to be a union thing to make people feel like no dislike just like baseball. Chris remember when a rod wanted to take the pay cut to go to the red sox. The union wouldn't let them right. They were like you can't do it. It's not just about you. You'd be heard all the players. If we allow you to take a pay cut that unopposed missing. Yeah you're right to cause the union unless you're a superstar is hard for one player to end up right because they can. They can replace an average player. But that's why the union has to do it when it's time for collective bargaining because these dues want rob we. We discussed this again. Because we've discussed it ad nauseam in the past but they don't play seventeen games next year right and the players are oh. It's extra money for his. Okay fine why don't you get the extra money. Guaranteed lay another game. 'cause in football every time you step out on that field you risk your career being over one hundred percent and if the average careers three and a half years. Four years chris. Why can't those four years be guarantee you. Do you see what i'm saying like like you should have a minimum of four years. Guaranteed that i'm gonna give my body. I'm going to give my all on my chair my acl up and never play again. But i got a four year contract. And they're gonna take care of me. Do guy why is that was outrageous outrageous out at all. I think rob that. That's why dak prescott is now so so firm and i gotta give him credit. I mean that dude is holding out. He's now the date he wants right. Below patrick mahomes money so he wants more than two shawn watson. He know good and well. He ain't better than shawn watson but he is holding out for more. He wants to be the second highest paid quarterback in the league. And i think he's looking at it like i was a fourth round draft. Pick so you know they were getting me on the cheap now and you know what i mean like. I'm getting every penny. Now it'll be interesting. Thing is because if he goes if he goes somewhere. That's not dallas. And he's just a good quarterback not great. Oh all this is prescott attention. He's gotten and maybe that doesn't mean anything to but you know what i'm saying like. He is one of the most talked about quarterbacks in the league does he. there is value in being in dallas. While because that's the thing about all the time. Three playoff wins in twenty five years but they get sixty percent of the coverage. You know what writing right do right. And they're so he. It's gonna be interesting. Because if he if they were able to pull off the train for seattle with seattle to get russell wilson the dallas and seattle wasn't is good with that like he would he could really disappear from the public consciousness. Those be but hey maybe he'd have his money so it's gonna be interesting to see how that works but i do think that's a factor. Robbing him standing up and good for only thing is he. Almost he almost chris imagine that injury could have been worse right and he never never would have played again. I mean he took a big chance to go out there. And that is it's like when isaiah thomas went out there and played for the celtics during the playoffs. Chris fully not fully healthy. They'll remember he finished the voting. He was hundred million dollar contract. Lost i think. Rob i think the next year he played for like two million. Yup i mean may that rob. Can you imagine how sick you would be. How would you be chris. Oh my gosh that thing because yeah okay. He's making a few million here and there which you know that ain't one hundred million at eight hundred is lifetime and next lifetime your your your kids. It's all changed with the millions. He's made he's made but it ain't one hundred million. It's a whole different story for him. So you're right and the the celtics feel bad for him. No they move right on all right away in eight seven seven ninety nine on fox should. Nfl players fight harder fully guarantee contract even if it means that they get shorter deals in the process. We will continue the conversation with you next. Do you feel for. Kyle van noy the fox. Sports radio fox. Sports radio has the best sports. Talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at fox. Sports radio dot com and within the iheartradio app. Search ads are to listen live. it was up everybody. It's me three time. Pro bowl. Lavar arrington and i couldn't be more excited to announce a new podcast call up point game. What is a point game you ads along with my fellow pro bowler. Tj hussein's oughta and super bowl champion. Yep that's right plaxico burress. You can only name a show with that type of talent on it up on game. 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Hey we love you in montana the odd couple of hey a tell in montana we got love for yes while the you you when you come into montana chris when you coming out here man adult. I haven't been to you. I i've been to. I've been over forty well over forty number two. We put it on a big list. You live where the big stay is. You hear you stay with me in your but they bring that money these guys. These guys make all that money watson. He's faking how much money he could sit. He doesn't happen. Here's the thing. If he sits he could lose it all and you gotta give it back right and if he retires wait a year to go anywhere he wants. He would be bound to the texans. That's right right right right. Did you look that up because you find out. Because i told you the lions have barry sanders rights after he quit. And all yeah. We'll caters coming back. I can tell you that. no now. We saw him at the super bowl down in miami. Trust me you know. I love you guys. Please diagnose rob. This is how it worked. However many years you've got left on your deal you're right and it don't start. He is not like if he's got five years left is not like he can sit out three and then only half the play two years for no that five years would start when he came back three years so i mean they could really ruin him football life but right i i don't think they'll do it one. At at certain point we become a bad. Pr look but beyond that route. It will hurt your team. You can stick out your chest like see. We proved sean. You know you don't you. Don't do that to the texans. But then it is only going to hurt their football team. So that's why i think they're gonna have to trade him for king's ransom if they care but i also understand why you have to protect your investment as well drew. That's why you have little contract and paperwork. Chris otherwise you just let them go drew in washington. You're on the odd couple of fox sports radio. What's up drew. Yeah thanks for taking my call. Love your show. Watch or listen to it every night. Thank you appreciate it so a couple of points one is if the to piggyback san on some of these players that come up with excuses about why. They can't do it if they were really serious. About getting guaranteed contracts. Why aren't these superstars. Pitching in like a percent two percent to try to get one of those war chests going for those guys who are the forty seven forty eight people on the on the and they don't make those thirty forty million dollars a year that can't afford to sit out To maybe two seasons to try to get guaranteed contract if these superstars really wanted it. They they'd help each other out and helped out those guys that aren't superstars. And maybe they're just using that as a bargaining chip to get other things the next collective bargaining agreement that they they want that they think they can get that like if they don't get well. Maybe we'll just sit out for guaranteed contracts and so the the owners play that game and and go with something else that sure. They've got some kind of war chest. Rob i mean. I don't know how to hit big enough but you gotta have one chris. And that's the only reason we know why. Baseball's union they been saving money since moby dick was a guppy and if they have money or if there's a player that comes to them chris and says i can't pay my mortgage. I can't pay my bills. Guess what comes out of the unions war chest right and the players don't delegate whatever one we beat the owners and get the money back chris. You'll get didn't you pay back the union that's how it is. That's the only way you can fight guys who have deep pockets keith. In new orleans joined the couple of fox sports radio. what's up. Keep arrive chris. You're doing a great tomorrow's down there. And i had some cash in on demand because you didn't hook up with morals you know down kicking it. Keith forgot you. But yeah i had fun. Come on man. It went down there. I'm a look you up. I'll look at you chris. I'll be like meet me. Meet me at at at busta. I'm telling you. I need been yang. Meet me there yes. That's what i went to daisy dukes. Man it was great. I ahead i. I i get so frustrated. Nfl players union. Because i believe despite for wrong things. They fight into not have padded practices and i practice and we is like why not. Why not fight for you. No guarantee conscious or not five four notre recalls the end to get rid of the franchise bag which is like martin de slavery. You know what. I mean what you can't even would you done. When you've met the requirement your contract. They can still keep you. Like i mean like they need to fight to pick those things off the board versus the smoke weed. You know what i think. He makes a good point route. You makes a great day on. I mean no practice and not get it. You know not having padded practice that that probably feels real good but at the end of the day is more important to have healthcare. You know or not. Chris healthcare playing football. How out of the seriously of all the sports. That should get it. My goodness all right. We gotta antonio daniels. He's got a bone to pick with rob one or no heisman. He gave antonio daniels is. I was a mistake fox. Sports radio has the best sports. Talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at fox. Sports radio dot com and within the iheartradio app search f. s. are to listen live. I is the debut of his theme music. There's levels to this folks and he has gone to another level so we had to reward him with some theme music. It is our man the nba champion the new orleans. Pelicans color analyst sirius xm nba radio host antonio daniels wilson brother over here dancer right. Now i'm over here dancing you of my every day. I'm i love what i want. I want to apologize that we didn't connect. We're down there. We reached out and i apologize. Just didn't happen. I didn't recognize the number. Because i don't have a locked in so i was out eating and then when i got back to it so i i i apologize antonio promise when i get back down there. I'm gonna take you out to lunch or something you know what career time really know what. Somebody's like. they view city round me. Once again you did. He didn't their true colors. Really as dom there we hit and cafe duma me and you. Hey let me know what you know when tony own morals. It was good. Do you know what. I have no idea. I don't i don't do much man a lot of the city. Kinda still shut down so it's only a we were talking earlier because james harden. I'm sure as you recognize playing as well as anybody on the planet. If not better. And i think robin i both think that you know if the nets continue to play this well he continues to play this. Well maybe they really put some distance between themselves and the second place team in the east. He could win the mvp. Now there are those that think the way he left houston the way he quit for. What four or five games. Whatever it was that. He's basically disqualified from mvp mouse year. Where i do thank you right. No i agree with you right now. He's definitely the. Mvp of the brooklyn nets right. That's for sure you know. He played in twenty two or twenty three games in brooklyn. And if you look at its debts stands apart but the biggest thing for me with james harden his ability the fact that he's air kevin durant is played in nineteen thirty six games so he's one game only being in half the game kyrie irving not know about the two week eight that he had so right now yes he has to be in that discussion not because of what he's doing but because what he's doing is leading to winning us the spot on i mean what they want a ten of eleven eleven digits. All without durant ecksteen. Is this antonio when you watch this team and what. They're able to do points wise and they've gotten better defensively as well not crazy if you guys remember when they made the trade. I had this team the nba. Right now they did the nba. Right now is the arms race there more than a few years back. It's an arms race. It's about whoever has the most weapon. You have a kyrie irving who is one of the best one on one players lead you have. James harden is one of the best one players in the league in led the league in points and assists reporters pointers made and free throws made you have one on one in nba history and the best one on one player in the league in my opinion and kevin durant. Yeah if it's an arms rates. The brooklyn nets are winning that andrei and it's a matter of time before they start to get it together. Offensively i say this all the time and everybody wants to talk about what's wrong. Well this is wrong. And what about his into and we don't know if he's going to be there. Listen give me the town. Gimme the tablet and outfitter direct out. I answering you mentioned daryl morey. Now we know he's now the philadelphia seventy sixers and they're having a nice year and joel embiid is in the. Mvp hunt i think it's hard and lebron and mb are are right there at the top. Whatever order you want to put him in but embiid is in the post a little more more than he's ever been. I'll give him credit for that. He's drawing a lot of fouls down there but he still is on the perimeter probably at least sixty five percent of the time as he's got a tremendous mid range jump shot but i just too old school post ninety percent of the time but a little more. Am i wrong. you think. He doesn't need to go down there anymore. No i'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying two thousand twenty one and this is the nba payton space. I'm not saying the wrong. I'm just saying you might need a little bit. But they don't play that game anymore. Could they have a look that basically nobody else in the league can have and that could be an advantage like it'd be a big advantage if they if they focused on that i hear you but we also have to understand like what that looks like for joel embiid. And what that looks. Like for the philadelphia seventy sixers because now that means you really have to play a lot slower because now you have to wait for oil and be to get to that block and visit a lot of times. He's on the perimeter because he's trailing play then them late fast. Tobias harris played bad. These guys want to get up and down the floor. I said before the year started. I can't think of two stars that have been next each other. Whose skills don't really complement each other. Like joe and be bentham. One play fast one play. Slow one needs someone to stress. The floor and the other guy is not influence stretcher right so i think we have to understand what we're asking atkin be to go down and post up almost every time that that's difficult you're changing your complete style of play and taking away from what ben simmons does that. The a of hawks made a lot of moves in the off season. We just saw lord peers give fired. Oh what did you make what was going on in atlanta. Because they made some moves they got off to a great start. There were like four. No people thought. Oh maybe they got a little some lightning in a bottle and whatever but it went the other way what's going on in atlanta with those players. Well for me. I feel like lloyd pairs got a raw deal. If you look at the situation that he was put in last year. John collins Tested positive for. I don't even remember what it's for. But he was out for twenty five games. He's a second best player. They didn't have cappella now. he's starting out last year behind the eight ball. Okay so now in the off season what you do is you go and you get back down a bit. You get galadari. You go and you get done you going. I don't know how much he had to do with it. But with all that being said you still have a relatively really young basketball team you had a shortened offseason. A shortened pre season short training camp. And it convinced regular season so you don't have practice time. So what are they expecting. What is the expectation in. Is it to make the playoffs. You have to remember. That vip is a process the way that this works. You don't go from winning. Twenty games to twenty four games to win and sixty games. That's not how this works there. The process that's involved here that atlanta and a lot of teams don't have the patience to go through. You can't expedite chemistry. You can't expert. Experience teams actually have to go through it and learn from it and atlanta is one of those teams right now. That seems like we'll listen. This is what we wanna do it. If the difference between having goals and aspirations and be realistic they have goals. They have. But i'm not sure how realistic they are right now. How how do you look at. What's going on with brad. Stevens and the celtics. I mean we know that comment. It left dip into conference finals. They've done they've moved on but they haven't won and this year. It's really been a struggle. Here what do you make a brad. Stevens is the leash shortening. Or is this guy going to get a six year contract extension. I don't know in today's league. We have no idea man. I felt like it really hurts. The celtics when gordon hayward list I feel like danny aines made a couple of suspect moves in the off season by letting any cancer go when he was only getting five million at bring interest and thompson. A guy who skills it doesn't complimentary stars and brown and tatum but as we know as we just saw in atlanta a lot of times the front office makes moves but the direct person impacted is the head coach. 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PMS 2.0 161 - Live From The Boom Booms. JuJu, Kyle Van Noy, And The Incomparable Doug Flutie. Real Feel Good Super Bowl Friday

The Pat McAfee Show 2.0

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PMS 2.0 161 - Live From The Boom Booms. JuJu, Kyle Van Noy, And The Incomparable Doug Flutie. Real Feel Good Super Bowl Friday

"Hello it's Friday January thirty first and I'm currently recording live from a hotel in Miami Florida. It's it's very very nice. It's it's set up like little van. I don't WanNa say the name because I don't WanNa make anybody's life miserable who's also staying at this hotel l.. Just in case you know from down here obviously forget up in the morning then our show from radio row taking off at ten. AM with drew. Brees fucking drew brees at the radio row. I think that'd be a good time ferry loud pool. Oh party happening directly next DOOR PROBABLY THE LOUDEST BASS I've ever heard my entire life in that. That is saying something because my brother and Nick Maroteaux and others were in car clubs. They used to put twelve in the back. Because anyways the boom booms on store in tomorrow's GonNa be Pretty Electric Day of belief among with rich Eisen. I think it's well now. I have no idea one. I don't know somewhere in that that time. Catch up with him chat with him. It's GonNa be a great day in the conversations we have for you today. I think you're gonNA like I think you're gonNA enjoy these pretty solid. I mean I I asked him real questions as some people here today. Juju ask some real questions. I think I think the situation between him and Antonio Brown is an interesting one land. Ask Him about it very much in the camp that I hope Antonio Brown figures it all out and gets back in the league and becomes a great member of society and keeps moving moving. I hope that very much but whenever you hear this Juju answer. I think you're GONNA be impressed with juju mightily today. Show is brought to you by seek the greatest ticket buying platform on planet earth. And all the boys in my lady over there eating so they won't say the mood if you're going to buy tickets to a live event right here on earth like for instance. I'm sure there's tickets fucking boom boom party happening next door right. Nobody Out this thing but they wanted to. I'm thinking about the tickets through because CQ has tickets to everything. COMEDIANS comedians. Sam Funny Shit on the stage. It's a good date concerts watching just elite individuals just completely savage of guitar or singing the hell out of a song and how about the live. Sporting event super bowl's coming up superb. Al I'm not sure I'M GONNA say it in the end the basketball you name it. They got tickets for for everything and right. Now you use Promo Code Pat the ten dollars off your first order. Promo Code McAfee twenty dollars off your first daughter all right. Let's get to the damn show here. It's a good today. I'll be traveling with a few of the boys down to Miami for the Super Bowl. The last time I did this the last time I traveled to Miami Super Bowl I was playing in the game and all week leading up to the Super Bowl. Friends and family were chitchatting. It's the biggest game of all time and I was twenty two year old. Twenty two years old had no idea how to punt was riding the coattails of peyton manning after four years or riding the coattails of Pat. Lighten Steve Slate. And I mean I was riding coattails into these magical months sugar bowl fiesta bowl gator bowl whole monarchy car care bowl in now we had won fourteen straight games in the regular season. I didn't even know how to but it didn't matter. We had peyton manning quarterback and a great defense then. We chose to lose two games which everybody was very upset about the. Oh Jeez deem like we want to knock out the seventy two dolphins for being the only team that was undefeated but bill. Polian made the decision for us to rest the starters the last two weeks because we didn't have to play them or have to win. We don't build advantage. We win. We get to the Super Bowl. Oh my God confettis flying. We're going to the Super Bowl and we take the trip down to Miami. It was incredible Peyton. Manning took us out the first night to dinner and then some drinks afterwards. Get a nice night's sleep. The next night I went out with the defense we ought to a couple of adult ballet's we had a great time. It was wild evening thing and then we all kind of hunkered down for the rest of the week. The you know what everybody we got a party out of us. We're down here in Miami. We we got everything we can put a potentially coming to us on Sunday. We got to play the New Orleans. Saints drew brees. Let's go ahead hunker down so for the entire week. We did. Our practices and practices. Were different. Because you've got all the stars are coming out. We practice at the Miami Dolphins facility which is very nice place by the way he got palm trees very windy. I mean there was a nightmare to punt. It might as well not even did anyways over the place Chris. Berman was walking. There was like people. Just come into our practice. That weren't normally their shaking hands. Kissing babies. There was an entirely different world. Obviously XLII but when I was talking to my friends and family like hey man you could potentially be kicking off the super bowl and I was like well. I don't think about that. That's going to happen sucking so now as we get closer to the game like you're gonNA kick off the Super Bowl. You cannot embarrassed your family and your friends like that's not gonNA happen. Don't worry about that so he finally did. After Game Day. I got to warm up. I get a chance to talk to Dion Sanders right there. Lifelong dream being a big fan of that guy. I'm putting to Reggie Bush in the game so I strike up a little conversation Masuma Dion. He has no idea exist obviously go. Hey Matt Reggie Bush's returner. What would you do if you were me? And he was like keep it out his hands. Boy Well Well Dion I wish I could control punts like you think I could. I have no idea where this is going. I was drafted opponent of knowing how to then as the game continues to go on. I see my family and friends in the top row of the stadium. Top top top. Row The stadium. Obviously when you're a rookie punter you get a lot of pull with your super bowl. Tickets in my family was at the top row. They were literally. They could've rappel down the outside and stand him if they wanted to write so I drove down on the field. I see him up there and I'm like man. This is awesome. You know this is really cool to be here. This is just for opening warm ups or whatever it might want friends you're gonNA kick off the Super Bowl Guy. I don't even think about it. I don't anyone think about it as the game goes are as the warm ups. Go on I want to get a picture of my dad's got a camera you know. It's like a magical moment. I have to go over to where the super bowl forty forty four sign is or whatever on the field drew. BREES is on her warming up through my Dad Modesto carry you get the hell out of the way. Yeah boy so I stand. Take Picture with my dad. How's it going on to see it's you know it doesn't feel like it's a real game? The crowd is a dominant saints crowd. It's on a dominance imminence colts crowd. It's just like an interesting crowd very corporate. You've got a lot of people that just goes so. Just everything felt different in felt weird you know and as I go back inside Vegetarians. He's looking at me. He's not playing in the game because he was like. Hey there's only been a few people have kicked off. A super could vinnie. I'm already here for my friends and family. I don't need to hear from you that isn't Massimo and I'm not prepared for you so we'll get prepared for it potentially have hope not so we go out there and you got the national anthem. Carrie underwood sang she crossed. Obviously it was a great singing performance and then it came time for the coin. Toss and I'm just kind of walking around on sideline and they go out there and drew brees calls it boom. They win the Super Bowl or they win the coin. Toss and I go no. He's GonNa want the ball. Drew brees the saints have won the Coin Toss and they have elected to receive. And I'm like damn it here. We go so I hi The equipment manager that was talked to his. Name's FROG FROG had mitee every time fraud. Kim comes up to me and he goes. Hey give it a ride kid and I go how about you. How about you? Don't worry about it you're gonNA be okay frog. What if I hit the worst opening kickoff in the history of the Super Bowl? He's like you're not. You're going to be good. I it was like I feel like there's a chance I could at some point. Somebody's GonNa have the worst kickoff in the history of the Super Bowl at some point. Somebody's GONNA kick the set of balance. That could be me today. He goes no no no not you pet but if it it was pretty memorable. Oh my God so I get the tea and I go onto the huddle I pat. You WanNa kick left kick right. Let's just hope. Hope I get it off the team. Painless I WANNA kick it demonstrating okay. Let's just do that. We're just do you sure you don't WanNa kick left. I just want to get it off. The T. Okay you've got so I go out onto the field. I put my down in. This is the first time in my life. I've really been incredibly nervous my entire life. This is the first time I've ever been incredibly. Did we nervous. I played in a lot of big moments and missed some big kicks but I was never nervous. I think it was always because I had a lack of nerves almost kind of too relaxed in situations. This is the first time in my life. Where accurate feel my entire Sphinx? Just tied up as tight as a capacity we get. It was tighter than new Atlanta Stadium. When I was so nervous I go down? I put the T. down and I look up in the Skycam like right here and I'm like well. Why is that there? I mean so I go down act. Like I'm fidgeting what the Teagan I looked back up in the REF walks over to me and he hands me the ball and he goes Good luck today. Man if you're GONNA hit an onside kick just let us know whatever. I'm not hitting an onside kick. What's your name names Greg? Congratulations on getting a rough. The Super Bowl he goes congrats UTAH. Utah like let's see. Let's see if this is a celebration mom or not. He hands me the ball and he goes good luck. And I'm like Youtube Greg. So Greg backs out Greg. Steve's his name I put the ball on the tee I look back up skycam still just staring at me. I'm like well this thing. Get the hell out of here so as an act like putting the ball back down again skycam goes flying out on like US awesome so I take my steps back in the first time in my life I really like took it in the moment my now my God. I'm kicking off the Super Bowl right now. Well this is pretty cool and I normally would point to the farthest Guy Right. See if he's ready like. Hey you ready over there. Farthest guy left you ready over there that gives a signal to everybody else on the kickoff team that we're about to. This is the first time I looked to my right. In the way. Kickoff teams are counted is outside and it goes one two three four five. And then you let your L. One two three four five my why are five. His eyes were glued open. It looked like I've never seen anybody that either scared or focused and I like looked at which we ready ready all right and you ready up. I look up at the play clock. Whereabouts get a delay game on the opening kickoff at the Super Bowl? After all of this magic so I go running at the ball and as I get about three yards four yards away from it flashes. Just start going. Oh my is my penis. Take all my God flashes everywhere. I barely even make contact with the ball. It gets off. Obviously there's incredible incredible photo that my mom and dad have house kicking it off and it wasn't the best kickoff in the history of the super bowl but wasn't the worst a- and that my friends is damn good news. I'M EXCITED TO GET DOWN TO MIAMI. I'm excited to do the radio row thing tomorrow morning. I'm excited to watch one hundred. NFL season come to the end this weekend. And although it brings up terrible memories in hindsight I really wish we would have won the coin. Toss in got the ball because that that second half kickoff really ended up to be pretty important play in the history of the things. Sean Payton talked about that this morning on profootballtalk. He said they were banking on basket bailing and instead hank basket didn't bail took a bad hop before the before he could get the hang of it in the hold of it and I'll tell you what does life was never been the same since that moment and there's a lot of people that get blamed for the loss of that game and none of them are meat and I feel it's very very good about that but there's obviously a lot of memories here and none of them are good. None of them are good. I mean getting the Blitzer. Zor Boy guesses cool. Getting the kickoff super bowl is cool. Beheading back down there. It's basically. They're having a celebration of the saints team. That won ten years ago. Everything I mean. It's just I can't wait to get down there joining us now representing putting on for Gatorade more specifically boat twenty four a a pro bowler and Internet sensation. A man who is an absolute stud on and off the field ladies and gentlemen wide receiver of the Pittsburgh's Burg's diller's Juju Smith. Joe How are you brother. I'm doing great man. Thank you I appreciate you on the show. Hey No problem John. Thank you for coming on. You're a legend. Let's talk about both twenty four and what it means to you. And what ruins specific. What is Gatorade Undo? Boats only four thirty four Basically as a new product it's You know basically I use it for. That's right When I'm when I'm outside and I'm in the club and you know I drink body and heating. Obviously I use gatorade. Okay I respect the hell out of that I was with Gatorade for a while. Then I hopped over to pedialyte during where my party back together eight. Obviously it's optimal performance in both twenty four delicious. Now let's talk about you Ju- you were a guy who got it when it came. I'm to being an entrepreneur and everything like that off the field utilizing your platform in your incredible abilities in the NFL to propel yourself off of the field. Now I'm from Pittsburgh Berg right so whenever I saw you doing taking advantage of this type of opportunity off the field and becoming this super celebrity that you become gaming road and on Youtube I knew that there was a chance I was also somebody who was very active business wise while playing. I knew that there was a chance if any type of stumble in you're playing came whether it was an injury or or anything like that would happen. That ins in particular would hold everything that you were doing off the field against you. That's kind of happened this year by dumb people not smart people but dump people people did you get to hear any of that noise this year. You were riddled with injury. Beginning of the season coach passes away. I mean this was a tough year from you and for you in a lot of people who started targeting the Internet stuff like because of it. Oh for sure you know. We don't perform at the highest level to have high expectations The first year about always straight so much games much running stuff too many sponsors. He's doing too much stuff off the You know I think that's how it was but you know if myself focused got the noise Those are the things that I knew I was Gonna come with me here and all that stuff It was tough season. You know the situation. We have different quarterbacks personal injuries to my knees but then day a second my finish the season. You're no stranger so going through hard times I looked into your story a little bit your high school from what I read during your high school years. You were sleeping on the floor of garage basically what the rest of your family then you go the USC you become a superstar and then now you're in the NFL taking care of your family. It's a beautiful story of guy that goes now. I don't want to say rags-to-riches but from hard hard times good times is that something you'll lean on for whenever you get. Maybe you know people coming after you in a sad way that you're mentally tough to get through anything. Yeah Yeah for sure man. I think my mental very tough situation where you know I've been to the lowest Drake's star from the bottle so With Myself Mad about man I I. I didn't have any of this. You know I'm grateful for all of this humble so all I can do is go up here. You Never Ever Stop being the entrepreneur that your eye swollen you know the game will end at some point for everybody this entrepreneur in this real estate that you're gathering gathering on the Internet. We'll be here forever. It's very intelligent of you. I want you to let you know no matter what anybody says you can tell them. Go forty eight themselves automatically Samat say no problem. I did a lot of this whenever I was by not to your level but I did a lot of same thing and I knew that if I had any stumbles at all or I was much less important player team but I knew that if I wasn't perfect people are going to say things I saw happening to you and I was like. I hope he doesn't get shy or shy away from this now. I gotTA pivot. You became the number one guy which Lottomatica automatically becomes with a lot of pressure. The guy that you were in a wide receiver meeting room with Antonio Brown has been a known hater publicly of yours. Did you see this coming whenever ever youtuber teammates or this kind of come out of nowhere. Carrie came out of nowhere. Came out of left field on nights but any of this you know about you know the before her first couple of years like you know we always talked about being great and dominating and that's what we did. Last night we played with each other. We both idle thousand dollars or one hundred hundred catches Eh. What's going off to social media? Wise is pretty pretty crazy. This yeah it seems as if now this is from an outsider's perspective and actually had a pretty good relationship with Antonio Brown as I assume you did as well wherever started taking shots at you. I think a lot of people are like why is he acting like this towards Juju instead head of helping him out and building him up which. I assume that you guys did whenever you're in wide receiver. Is that accurate. Will you to a team. That was trying to help each other out for a long time and then all of this kind of just boo. Oh what is happening. Yeah minnows was you know we're kind of like no half handling. Let's both be great. Let's do this both retry go and and You know this will happen. You know with him and throws so. It's tough situation okay. So let's let's pivot to Mike Tomlin because what you guys guys were able to do this year without Ben Rothlisberger trading in for Minka Fitzpatrick being able to get as many wins as you did in a potential playoff run. Almost what is my tom and like as a coach does he get the. Why doesn't get enough respect? I think is other coaches. Do much why I think one of the best customer I've had is because he's so authentic. He's so real He keeps it out as he doesn't beat around the Bush on these is one of the coaches that he'll he'll tell you straight up you know how if you're GONNA lose your job or you're listening you're in you know how it is and it just so crazy because a lot of guys walk now I want to help you not might time is gonNA mean like no if you're not producing me this like we got other players ready to come home on a couch ready to place you on those guys that's always keeps through. What are you doing this off? Season to get better and football man. I'm training with training Tori talent. He's one on one session but he joyal other guys. Just get it lane losing weight AAC cutting up getting faster all routes and stuff like that so Trying next Ben Rothlisberger. Is this quarterback that has been perennially. Great I mean little legitimately massive numbers great quarterback but off the field. Sometimes he says things where people go. That's not what the League it. quarterbacks do this year while Ben was on the bench and while he was injured in out was he around. Was He helping out as much as possible. And how do you view your relationship with Ben Rothlisberger. The Samaritan ship then is amazing. Awesome you know. My first year is Kinda tough because he doesn't like our the series. I guess when you've had a guy who's being Fifty years plus and You know we had to work towards that group myself. I can play with him. And that's what I did our relationship with great You know this all this past season you know. He's been hurried entry since we do. You know he's been around actually. He's been traveling. He's been in office he. He's been helping us us out. He's just one of those guys and wants the best for the team. What's the streamer bowl? What's going on with that? and Are you GonNa win it. Yeah yeah man with my Google today Last year when I woke up on my solo player so cool man Sharon Bowles basically everybody else you as the beginning us by second to a two with Russian up for not playing a pro athlete. How long have you been in the game? You've been Gamer for the recent history here and are you worth worth a damn at it very very long time are you. Are you good. Yes stopping it. When you play imagine you throw the ball to yourself? Every time Yeah usually a Sunday game finally get the ball enough. I go home to its muscle. It also be a part of the prefight productions that on zone for the Jake Paul fight. What are you looking forward into? That man is my i. I'm super excited for you. Know just to be under zone. Hey our guys everybody out there mass cool to see a Jake Paul you know. Aw Man suicide there's a big youtuber All my family watches him as we pretty closely about judy you. You should go duck hunting with duck for YouTube video. That's just something I'm thinking. James Washington does it to our team. I think the idea about the experts pretty cool. What light that? And what do you do whenever you're thinking of videos concepts for your. Do you have a team with you. Oh you do a lot of great stuff like even Pittsburgh charitable stuff on your youtube. You do a lot of really good stuff. What does the process behind that whole thing? May Honesty meant by Monday. And you're GONNA do do this do it. So for example. Water balloon fight like two days before like it's almost like also like three or four hundred people showed up the big room. Find Pittsburgh talk for ten years and what's going on in the world our Russell how much I'll ask US pretty cool man the money you spend you make it back. Hey Man Dan hey a men Amen Ladies and gentlemen pro baller Guy who's going to get back into good graces with the city of Pittsburgh Berg next year whenever he dominates not that isn't already but just the dummies out there. Wide Receiver from Pittsburgh steelers youtube sensation about to be a streamer bowl champion and you can catch them on. Tonight's prefight production with zone. Juju Smith Schuster specialists. Hi That was interesting. came out of nowhere. I was excited to talk to that literally. The only thing to ask about was that because what do you call them. pooh-pooh Kabuki shoes. That's what he's called. But the thing that Tony around with. Do that like a lot of people from the outside now. Obviously we're learning more and more about Antonio Brown as the days go no one right. I think we're all learning more and more about him and it's only a brown. I still feel as if there's a chance for him to potentially turn us all around if he gets his mental health. Shut down right if you can figure out a way to get his chemicals chemicals balanced which is something that has to happen for some people inning. Get back with that. It'd be great if feels like that's what's happening. I'm no doctor but whenever going after Juju a lot of people were very I was like why is he going after Judah because he looks bitter whenever that happens and that's kind of what I think it's because Juwan team. MVP The year before an AB was not happy about that cares. He he does. I mean Yeah Judas and for people who come at Juju for like doing all. He's twenty three years old kid smart though. Yeah by the way whenever you're sleeping on a garage for whenever you're in high school and six siblings and just I mean now you've made it. It's like you know what I WanNa make sure that this money's coming forever ever and he's GonNa have to have a better year. He's going to have to now going. He got hurt. His coach passed away. There's a lot of things that fall into that especially being professional athlete. Whenever you're at seventy five percent you're not gonNA look as good as you did? 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Payton man of the year is a massive massive accolade the NFL. It's not an easy thing to accomplish. You're going to be good human. It's one care for the rest of your life. I was walk straight man of the year for the colts. I still. We'll talk about it and remember it to this day. Congratulations on all the incredible work in the in the community is that something. You really focused on yes. I do a big part part of who I am as a person I want to get back. You know. I've I've given sweat shirts off my back. That's what that's what I'm about you know. Someone's in need. I'm I'm they're for him and without my wife and is foundation the Vanoy Valor Foundation. We strengthen those in our communities foster care adoption adoption and struggling youth and we just WanNa give them success for the future and whatever it is they want to do. And that's what I WANNA do with nationwide I want. I want to take that next except nationally with them and I hope I'm pick so I can't take it. I hope you don't get it when you win. Do you have an award speech plant. Hell no tile. You're very confident man. You're good on camera. You're good in conversation conversation. But some of those people that choose to go off the top of those awards viral moments for being terrible. I gotTa tell you a quick one. So the Patriots do One they give every year. It's the Ron Burton award right. And they don't tell you I go up in front on a all the sponsors for New England all my players and I say I'm so thankful for the family of Ron and before I even thought about it I almost said Burgundy and I and my body just like stop up and then one of my teammates like Burton's so after I get done I almost said right after Ron Burton almost a AH classy Sanjay anchor. Man You deserve to win the Ron Burgundy award as well every time you come on here I appreciate the hell l. out of your statements. Now obviously I have to ask you. This year for the Patriots was different. This was a different year for you guys. This was a different Europe there. There's there's a lot of conversation and chatter surrounding foxborough including you. I think you're a free agent is well. What is your few we go? Yeah Hey I I only only three eight and I know Tom Brady a little better. That nobody's talking about Calvin L. now. I WanNA talk about Tom. Let's get it. We could talk about Tom. I've been I've been throwing up storms over here. I've one radio show. I said he's retiring the one he's going to Las Vegas to walk out of the country. I saw in dorms. We're going to have a hell of a time answering all my own artifacts so for the PAT McAfee show here. What do you think is going to happen with Tom? Brady I think Tom Brady is GonNa stay at home off. He's going to Miami uh-huh in there. You loved it down. There is no like warm weather. He likes more all of these things. Things are legitimately possible. Let's talk about your future though. What is your plan? What are you thinking well? You just had an incredible season. That defense was dominant. You gotTa be thinking that things are going to be very good. Let's see you this off season. I as you hit free agency. Yeah I think I'll have some option I want to do. What's best for my family? And I. I want to set up my my little legend Financially so obviously he's going to work his ass off that ain't happening but if things go south you ought. Aw I'll have a plan set up for him to be can take care of himself. What's your little legends name? Oh trae legend. I forgot what his nate. That's an incredible day. That is absolutely incredible. Now here's a question winning the Walter Payton Man of the year in New England is a massive deal because that means you've taken care of that community and beautiful fashion. Now you're hitting free agency. Is that something that's GonNa way heavy. 'CAUSE you're big community up here it is I. I would love to stay in England and not only because of the fan base and what Massachusetts now means to me but more importantly the players the friendships that I made with some of those players runs deep. You know they're gonNA be there my brothers for life what we've gone through. I know you said it's a different season in New England just because we lost and didn't go to the Super Bowl but we made the play offs. How many teams can say that and not many? We did that and obviously we didn't reach our goals. But I like how people say the different in New England only because we didn't make the super bowl which is absolutely insanity coast still. We had a good special teams and it just didn't end with the right result. We wanted to add Megan. It to talk. Isn't that insane though. That really is what this all spurs around the fact that the New England patriots didn't make the Super Bowl. The Super Bowl is like a home for you guys. Shane made like h straight pro pro bowl or something like that. So they're like hey. He has a little legitimate walker at the pro bowl. If you guys have a legitimate locker room at the Super Bowl that's what it's felt like for the last twenty years so anytime he hit that. That's a massive. Everybody's like Oh they're dead. Yeah I have a question for you. Do you feel because I feel that it does. They have the same juice this year that I have in previous years kyle. This feels as if you're asking a question that has a very personal personal reason behind it and maybe a little bit of no it's more. I'm more I'm speaking of New England. I'm not speaking of myself thinking of New England. Do you feel like the juice is different this year than previous years. Even go all the way to the steelers and cardinals game. I guess you're right. It does feel as if there's not as much use now granted devastating loss at the beginning of the week to a legend in sports world. Right so it became something and I think even if you guys were there that would be something. I would have dominated the first half of the week because a lot of them. You know what I mean. But you're a hundred percent right though. There's John Story lines coming out of the super bowl other than everybody wondering Patrick Mahomes is going to be able to defeat that defense and your is good defense. Speak good offense your defensive player. I assume you figure that. Oh that's tough I personally. I don't think these teams match up very well with each other. That's my personal. Take defensively offensively. They have strength and weaknesses on the niners. Offensively the chiefs have strengths and weaknesses. You know but the niners offense is really good. The chiefs defense is weighing. Good at late I I. Just don't think they match up very well and I think he's painting you. You think Eric Offense wins over this whole thing. Do you think mahomes would be able to figure it out. You think Andy Reid finally gets one first time. In fifty years the chiefs have been super bowl. Yeah Yeah Andy. Reid is a Helluva coach. Give them two weeks with the same thing with Shannahan. I think the niners will because they're going to get a nuff stop and I don't think chiefs defense. Will you have a question. Dick's Oh no I was just gonNa say earlier that he was saying that there's not enough or not as much which energy around simple I think it's because the fans are like fifty fifty split. When New England was in ninety nine percent of the country was ruining against knowing? Let's drive by Hate Hugo. Everybody hates us. I think when you come to our point by point along a lot of people a lot of people tweet me whenever you're on this a show that they don't want to like you they would like to hate you strictly because you're a patriot and you make it very difficult. That's something to think about going to this offseason or you are in Coke Mason. Jason You you you love. MD They hate. They hate the Patriots. Now I'd hate run deep even. Hey you even hate me but you gotta I respect it but I do think oh. Here's something I have to ask you before we get out of here. Joe Judge hired as a head coach. Good higher for the giants I think. So Oh I think so if he if you can yes. He's a ball of energy. If he can take his energy he has and consistently assistant Lee each and every day lying it up with that positive energy and not go. ooh All over the place. I think they're going to be really really good. 'cause he's a really good coach. He loves football. That's not me selling him. I should straight back. He loves football. I mean his country so speaking. He's all over the place when he gets going is money I he loves football I. I'm excited for him with the giant LASCO's giants right. Oh they have a lot of money off before we get out of here. Is that little so brace that you have on your left ring finger. The reason why the Patriots lost this year was a devastating injury. They're all my middle finger. Good Hey Walter Payton man of the year brother Will you ladies and gentlemen thank you. I appreciate it. Shout out sat out mazing man. They're great hey off the top. That's speech I can't wait to hear it. Ladies Gentlemen Calvin undefeated PAC man. What's gone? I'm not making your head bigger. I'm seriously I love what you're doing. You're killing it and I thank you so much. Good luck with your anytime Tom. You WanNa come on here you let me know okay. I'm in the hair he's a he's a good dude. Yeah Classic Dick Dude Man Class about as good as they come and everybody the first time he's on the show all anybody said was man. I don't WanNA listen to this because I would like to hate the Patriots. Any any makes it very difficult to hate the Patriots. He's a free agent though and they just had a monster year defensive Golfer New England normally you could sell a team has goodbye when they they cut a player for another team. Picks them up right so there for a while on our team. We cut a player. Nobody who pick them up the Patriots kind of player. That person has claimed on waivers the next day it's like. Hey we trust US ballot. Check enough that. If he brought them in a reason he was in their dominant there. He's going to the market. There's GonNa be a lot of money for a little legend Film Junkie Film Rat Fred Fred Warner who's a budding young linebacker another. Byu Guy Loves Kyle. Van Noy said he's the reason he's as good as he is now. He's improved as much as he is because he vanoise the guy who taught him. Hey you gotta watch film like this. That's been oi does for a lot of the other guys around Walter Payton Man of the year huge. That is that is something that says. Hey off the field this guy stop. Stop just as much as on the field for Calvin welcome back to the booms. They're still going over over there. I don't think there's a single human at the party. But they have been either testing the sound system to Max or they've been having a party for just a couple of people in a couple a couple of people just running the whole place out. That's what I'm talking about honesty. That's what I'm talking about. We've we parked to play. There was more yachts in more more big planes that I've ever seen in my entire life ever. There might be more money in Miami right now than any other city. Divide problem thank you. There's a lot of rich people here. And if to rich people just running out this entire Party and having them play Max speakers. That's my favorite. The thing I've ever heard it could be happening. There's here's digs by the way digs just came into the conversation. We're standing at the end of a two time. Olympic length pool. Is that an accurate statement. Two time Olympic length pool. We are in a place that we should not be people walking by that. We don't know obviously palm trees everywhere in the boom booms. Next door's still pounding now. I want to ask you one question question when what was the last time you were driving through torn thought. Wow I love you nope I love not. Those words are blending together. Not being being able to see when I drive. Yeah you probably haven't now driving in bad weather doesn't have to be a headache. Thinks New Michelin Endurance. Xt Silicone wiper blades. These blades last through everything. Thank Tie Schmidt steps up to bat out of the park into the river verve. Michelin just put their new endurance. Xt Silicone wiper blades to the ultimate test on a world record breaking sixteen eighteen thousand mile job from Alaska to show you just out durable these blades. Rainiers Zeitler was the man behind the wheel wheel and he put the Michelin Endurance. 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He knew you were good at that when you did that. dropkick was there any panic or chance. If you just completely shaking off. The back of the head and offense alignment crapshoot. No doubt about it. It's a drop kick in the middle of that field dirt and bunches of grass and I had to find a nice smooth spot it was. I kept my fingers. 'cause you could have gone anywhere then. A Terry actually was on the brink of breaking records with the Patriots. Or maybe a league record. Kurt and I kicked drop kicked the last regular season point of the regular season. You had to wait until the following year to break the record. He wasn't very happy about it but it was fun. Moment when I hit it I knew I hit it solid and it was up and drew and all that but seriously Very good chance. That could have gone anywhere and it was the last play my career and if I missed that my wife had the live live with me the rest of the last guy I would have been one frustrated I that was the last time you stepped on the field to last place. Did you knew it. You knew it going out there to this. Is it for me. This is the last one. I've had this legendary career in Canadian football league. I've come over to the NFL. I've had fantastic thing. I did great in college. This it all comes down to the final taste in my mouth. Is this complete now. I'm a pretty good drop kicker but if you had to ask me in the middle of the game I have no idea how would go with the timing and everything it all comes down to this for your taste of your mouth forever. I did not know that. Yeah I and my wife's in the sand thinking the same thing she goes. I'm going to have to deal with this if you mrs as to what was going on and I I realized I'm not gonNA play in the playoffs. Who Got Tom Brady? We got well Matt Castle. was there at the time I wasn't gonNA play. Brady's GonNa win the Super Bowl Ring. Hopefully and She's up the Sam Stein explained to people when she sees me out on the field. She knows what's going on and she's telling her friends. Oh my God he's GonNa drop kick all my there's a what. What are you talking talking about? No way so It was it was a health moment for her. Thank goodness they'll check told me like the two seconds before I ran on the field. 'cause we attracted to do it a couple of weeks earlier and ended up not doing it and hadn't even talked about it for two week. Spur of the moment. I didn't have time to get nervous. I just ran out in the middle. They were happy for you. That's not easy to do. You're stuck with that now. Let's talk about Tom. Brady who you just mentioned in their gay. He's older older. You played until you're older. I think you could still play right now if you had to. What do you think is a realistic expectation of Tom? Brady here to finish out his career I think he i. I don't think he wants to end on a pick six. I don't think he wants to end on a bad taste in his mouth. He still is playing a supremely high level I think I think Tom got two or three years if he wants him. I it's all in motivation. What motivates it's a guy at his age that has had success? He had For ME I. I'm still trying to prove people. I can play it at fifty seven years old. So that's why I played. Well I played Joel Forty three. That's why I kept playing as long as I did. Tom Doesn't need that but he still is driven. And as long as he's drew physically. It's it's not a problem. His arm is still there. The mental capacity gets stronger and stronger for him and he still has that fire and that fires there. You can play as long as we want. I needed to play at at forty three years old for me to be successful. I had to be athletic. I still had to make people miss and move around. Tom Doesn't need to do that. He needs his art. You're in standing there. And he still has the so the feeling I mean he could play on. She wants to play but it it it comes down to. How driven is the fire? Still there and right now the TB twelve treatment. I mean it's very I don't know if they have the flutie flakes in the TB twelve. Lifestyle is have you ever. You heard of anything like morning routine on the TV twelve or thirteen the TB twelve. Thing is something that is captivated the attention of a lot of athletes though this ability to have pliability in your muscles Ph levels and then the food that you eat and all that stuff. Is that something that you mess around with lighter later Judas trying to be. I stopped at McDonalds on the way to the facility. I grab pizza at night but I I just feel. I'm GONNA eat what I want to run an extra five. Hi Miles. I don't care I I was a workout nut but my thing was I didn't lift weights heavy. I did very light lifting. I looked at my legs a little bit Iran hills. Walter Payton taught me to run hills when we were in Chicago together That was my leg strength. I was about flexibility pliability and just stay in loosen nimble the extra five ten pounds of Balkh. We're not gonNA save me from getting her from a two hundred and eighty three hundred pound guys so I always wanted to be quick white on my season flexible and it wasn't a science for me but I think things are geared that way now. I think people that all these injuries I I agree with. It's it's the flexibility especially as you get older which is much more important. Okay so you just mentioned a man's name there who's up has an award named after him for being a good human and Walter Payton. Now you've been around the NFL the NFL all these legendary players whose one player that sticks out in your mind you go. Damn that guy was a freak return on the football field athletically. Yeah athletically the first day while for me in Buffalo Eric Moulds it wide receiver. It was crazy to me Eric. Moulds was he got me the pro bowl. That's all. I emailed US one on one. He's getting the ball on throwing not the other. I played with Walter Right at the end of his career. So Magana and Tomlinson came as a rookie in San Diego carrying the football and he guys missing a phone booth. We were playing the Patriots. Unblocked defenders coming through a hole in a simple die play. He made a little jump. Cut made a mis- or Patriots up through sixty four yard touchdown run His sheer ability to accelerate make people miss Was Crazy Tracy but for me guys I played with those are the two that stand out the athletically. I should have done more research. You're in Buffalo Chicago. The chargers New England CFL anywhere else. USFL DONALD TRUMP NEW JERSEY generals my rookie year. That league lasted the show. Title Herschel Walker with my Tailback Maurice Carson at full-back kept whole perennial pro bowler with our center. We had fifteen guys on that team. Go to the pro global later. I'm surprised trump doesn't use that in his speeches. Now I started League fifteen. Everybody's talking about Tom Potentially leaving New England in going and playing somewhere else and they're like you know the grass is always greener when he go to another organization you've played in three different leagues different facilities different organizations. Is there something to that thought that Tom Think about are you. Do you find respect everywhere but the number one thing is staying in the same offense per year after year after year com has built on that you guys can come in. You can line people up right away. You can make adjustments on the fly. You can see things on the field you can do things with terminology. That just are instantaneous reaction. Because you've done it before. We did this five years years ago against Green Bay. We did this against who all that goes a long way to your comfort zone if you go to a new team new people new terminology. It's starting over and it's nice. It's very difficult. I bounced around a lot. That was my biggest frustration in my career was I couldn't stay in the same system for a long period of time and continue to build on and that is a big big fan of it and then you can go into a situation with pitas just not as talented and you don't even have an opportunity to win okay. So like for instance right now. Philip rivers is in Florida. He moved his family from San Diego to Florida. He wasn't willing to move to Los Angeles when he went to Los Angeles. But a lot of people are saying there's potential interest from the buccaneers and Philip Rivers. That'd be a brand new offense. It'd be a Bruce Arians. Offense is it. Is it going to be very difficult for these quarterbacks who have all this experience experience in the NFL. They've been there done that with everything. Philip rivers hasn't won a super bowl a damn near everything else. He's done it. Would it be that difficult to pick up a new offense at this later stages life you can pick it up. There's a difference between knowing the offense and know when you read and then no one like the back of your hand on and and being able to call on things instantaneously with the shot clock going down the three seconds on the play clock and I want to change the protection and I want to get a to a route because I see this or that. It's something you've done for fifteen years it's automatic to you. You recognize things and you know. Now you recall is is that what do we call that. Okay we'll call it and you're late or there's just that little bit of hesitation it's just different. It's not the same level Mr Facility. WE'RE IN INDIANA. I take frequent ships to south. Bend all they talk about getting urban Meyer as the head coach of Notre Dame. You have any insight into that. I don't I think careful what you ask for Brian Kelly is one ten in four years in a row with ten wins undefeated needed seasons playing for National Championships playing in the College Football playoff just a year ago. An eleven win season this year. And he he'd going undefeated speeded and got beating the College Football playoff a year ago and this year went eleven games and I have somebody walk up to me in southend say. When are we going to be good and only one team wins it all? I think he's got a phenomenal job. there's different. There's different challenges at Notre Dame the academic requirements with Brian. Kelly will not and and he said it's a big issue. He's like you know what we used to bring one or two that. Were marginally year that maybe we should get in when you spend seventy percent of your time trying to keep that kid. Eligible fight putting out fires and trying to help the kit. You spend seventy percent of your time with one or two kit. It's not worth it anymore. They don't make that big of a difference for your program to have those so he just you know he's going with this quality kids that meets recommendations nations the requirements at Notre Dame. And and. That's what you have. They still had a lead athletes especially in the defensive line that go top rounds and play in the NFL. They have that caliber caliber. Talent without having to deal with a lot of the issues with you. All Right Doc. Before we let you go working by flutie flakes at I'm a serial tweak flutie flakes dot COM We brought him out again. This year I went up to buffalo phenomenal visit and they were jumping off the shelves again. It's all for autism in your foundation brokers and so it's all the support that WHO's won the super bowl this weekend. He matured most points quarterback. The guy loves spread reading them out willing to be on playing and There's just a lot of speed on that offense. I know the pass rushing scraped from San Francisco. That's the big match up. But I'll Casey Ladies and gentlemen legend in the football world flutie flakes Creator Duckling. Thank you thank God now. Joining US new head coach of the Washington Redskins a man who could've taken any NFL job after what he did for the Carolina Panthers the legendary Dairy Riverboat Gambler. Ron Rivera. I'll tell you with the build up like that. I better not screw it up. Well coach my my first question. Thank you so much for joining us by the way. Congratulations on the GIG. Why did you could've taken? I don't know if you know this but the rest of the world knew this. You could've taken any job you wanted as the head coach because of how high revered you are by everybody why the Washington redskins well you know. What's interesting PAT was? One thing that I did is I was at. I got out of IT CAROLINA IN MY press conference I say look. I don't want to wait around. I don't WanNa take your I wanna get back into it. I love the Game Games. been outstanding to me And I just feel I still I have a lot to offer And so as I was going through the process and in reflecting the opportunity with the redskins came up and so I had an opportunity to to talk to several people. That knew Mr Snyder And a lot of positive things were said. And then I got connected with Joe Gibbs and coach Gibson. I spent some time on the phone talking Doc Then I had an opportunity may with Mr Snider. We talked about certain things He told me. Hey take a look at our lost so I started breaking down there. Ross I watched some game taper. Everybody I saw on tape. I wrote up. You know everybody from the kicker the long snapper to honor I wanNa make sure I got that in there for you had and then he did offense defense but then I looked at the roster on paper. I looked at how young that team was. I looked at the last three drafts and the success. They have those players. Those guys were playing a lot of football and they're playing pretty good pretty competitive They worked hard at competing. They didn't win a lot of football game but they were young guys play and I thought that that meant something for sin after sitting down with the owner talking about his philosophy on things talking about his vision The plan the process what he saw what he thought And then I shared my my outlook on things. We had a great conversation. When I finished I went back and I met with Joe Gibbs everything I talked about with starter Joe is right behind? We talked about that and it made me realize there's fitness. There's a there's a there's a good fit that's so interesting because now you know this the PR behind. Dan Snyder is not always a good. One assumes that you potentially had in your mind like hey. I don't know if I could do this and after after meeting him. You had a complete one. Eighty s accurate. I did I had a complete one eighty but also talking to several people that Mr Snider on a more intimate basis let it worked for and people that work with him and people who didn't work with them but from the outside in knew what was happening and so it's just interesting to hear their perspective. It really was and everything we think seemed to match up. I did not come across a negative person Other than people that were with them twenty years ago fifteen years ago what I heard all the positive the thing that people have worked with them in the last ten to five years. That's awesome to hear by the way can't wait to see you succeed there to succeed. They're going to have to make a quarterback decision right twain. In haskins there played great football at the end of the season. They were giving people headaches. Great teams they were giving him real headaches. Alex Smith is coming back from an injury. You have the number two pick you. You have a lot of big time decisions to make. Assume you haven't been finalized on any of these. The which way are you leaning in that department. Well the biggest thing is this one the philosophy that we carried into when I got to Carolina. And that was we had the idea who are franchise quarterback was we've got to be able to protect them with a positive offensive line and tight end. That can help a lot And we had to put playmakers only makers around us and so that was our plan going forward. Well look if you know what we have right now with the Redskins the biggest thing we noticed dwayne showed the prompt did a lot of good things that the young quarterback he was the first round pick. Remind me a little bit of our guy that we hadn't Carolina Alex Smith like you mentioned potentially coming back off the leg. If Alice comes back he city see any sums of the player he was in the past. We've got a good player there. We also have a good young developing player which means they're going to create some competition guys are gonNA push each other. Help them develop Alex History with Patrick. Mahomes is outstanding dealing with a young quarterback and we could get the same situation here again. OBI THAT ALEX is healthy. Thank you compete. You look at these this draft. There's a lot of big names at the top but it's also littered with very talented people. You have a very valuable pick their number two. Do you see a lot of work needed to the Washington redskins roster we take a shot on a big guy. You think it's going to be interesting. Everything is on the table. I mean we don't know what we're going to do with the number two pick. We you know what's going to happen in front of us. We don't know what's GonNa Happen in front of us. They've gotTa make a decision. I mention that he does. And then we'll go from there so we're GonNa take a look at everything we're GONNA play down we're GONNA we're going to interview players we're GONNA scout players we're GonNa go to the code as we're GONNA bring him out to see us. We're GONNA go through the entire process and we're going to weigh our options I'm nothing is set. I mean our roster steps but I do like who we have. We've got a lot of quality football players that we think we can add some more. Get them to buy into the way we want to do. Anything have to believe in the system. We have a chance coach. I don't want to ask you about the rear view mirror but its last question before I let you go. Carolina Panthers Higher Matt Rule They having massive decision. GonNa make down there with Cam Newton or do they go different direction from what you know of Cam Newton. How do you think he's GonNa Respond? And Bounce back probably camps healthy and ready to roll don't bet against could qualify knowing Cam. I've had for the last nine years I would never bet against him. I I just know that. A Healthy Cam Newton on the football field with a heck of a football won't man he. He's bigger than everybody faster than everybody. And he's a maestro. We played you guys on Monday night. Football down there and he was basically controlling the entire state of Carolina. It was unbelievable. That's that's that's the one thing about him is he orchestrated game and it's almost like he's playing because he he's things and and the Nice thing is we he's give you know we had given the opportunity to do certain things to make changes took to change place to create temple if he had to and again as I said the one thing we hadn't had in the last two seasons was what's the healthy camps everything he's done you know. He had the procedure on the foot. The shoulder he got arrested arrested all year because he didn't play after the second game so again if he's healthy if he's in the right state of mind I would never bet against coach. What are your thoughts on? Luke Luke retiring you know I had an option to visit with Luke beforehand. And just listen to them talk. It was one of those things where the right situation the right moment in time had come you know he. He had battled through several injuries Early on And then a lot of his guys were leaving there was a transition you should going on with your organization. So the timing for him he felt was right. I support him one hundred percent. I really truly do supportive. And I'm very happy for him that he made the decision himself. It's going to be coaching with you here in a little bit. Hey you never know what's going to go on with him. He's I'll tell you this much right. Now he's fishing and hunting right now coach. The Washington Ashington Redskins got a great head coach. 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Could Kyle Van Noy make a return to the Patriots? | Alex Barth | Patriots Beat with Evan Lazar

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Could Kyle Van Noy make a return to the Patriots? | Alex Barth | Patriots Beat with Evan Lazar

"Hey everybody. This is Evan Lazar. And you are listening to the Patriots beat podcast powered by the seal honest media podcast Network and brought to life by our great sponsors at bet online. I'm joined as always by Alex Barth of 98.5 and Alex just before we hit record on the Pod today this breaking news on a pre-recorded broadcast. It doesn't get any better. We can breaking news, you know sound effect or something. Maybe we can add that and post just before we sign on to talk about all things latest news in the page. It's off season moves the Miami Dolphins informed the linebacker Kyle Van Noy of his release Vannoy, obviously formerly of the Patriots kind of made his career with New England and thought that deal in Miami, it wouldn't free agency last two offseasons ago because of what he did with the Patriots. So this is obviously a domino effect here that Van Noy could easily end up back. New England I think we could have saw this coming that the Patriots and Venoy talked about this at length that Bill Belichick really used him in the best possible way and got the best out of his skill-set because of the usage in defense and then he goes someplace else and he was still productive for Miami, but they obviously felt that the contract did not match the production and they said they saved nine million dollars with this. So right, you know in a year where Cap is tight. It's certainly understandable. It's not that he fell off extremely or anything like that. The other interesting angle here is we discussed the potential Patriots return for Kyle Van Noy has normally in one of these scenarios where former Patriot or clear Patriot Target ends up on the market. And you say he makes sense for New England. You also kind of have to talk about, you know, the satellite campuses of the New England Patriots Day right now Detroit's no longer a satellite campus map. Patricia's out he's not going I mean probably not going back to Miami like those satellite. Maybe the Giants would be the only one left, but yep. Talking about you know competition within the Bill Belichick coaching treated get him if Bill wants and he's not fighting off his other assistance to get him. I think would make a ton of sense. I'd change if we have the tape if we can go back and pull the tape from when we the first time we worked together clns when Vannoy left I said and I said this all over the place Kyle Vineyard to me screamed like that Patrick Chung Jamie Collins type of player where he comes to New England is Chung's first didn't wasn't great but comes to New England proves to be, you know, a quality player goes elsewhere chases. The money doesn't have the same success in another system and it comes back for a second stint and really solidifies his legacy as Patriot. I can totally totally see Kyle Van Noy following that track and it's playing out here. I don't think it's going to cost the page. It's a ton to bring him back. Like I don't think his Market is going to be too robust. And then on top of that they have the money if they have to pay him a little more if they want him back. They need linebackers. They need veteran XP. It's linebackers. This should absolutely be a conversation the Patriots should absolutely be in on Van Noy, I wouldn't be surprised if Calvin was the patriot by the end of the week, you know, cuz he can sign with any team now. They just took him so it's automatically an unrestricted free agent. Just like JJ Watt was he doesn't have to wait till March 17th assign with a new team the Patriots have that need like you said for a veteran linebacker. I think that Thor linebacker in the draft when you just drafted o j and Jennings it's kind of more of the same unless you're going to go up in the first round and get Micah Parsons or save and Collins or something like that that's going to come in and make a day one impact your life looking at the same sort of trajectory for their careers. Whereas been knowing, you know, as a plug-and-play starter for you on the edge and that was really where his career blossomed is when Bill Belichick early on in his career with Detroit them an inside linebacker off the ball for the Lions and it was a world change a position switch for him in college. He was an edge rusher rushing the past or said in the end of the defense playing behind the line of scrimmage are on the line. Image and that was where he really felt most comfortable and then he goes and he and he transitions obviously to inside linebacker to do his size yard with that Ledic ability at the pro level and it didn't work out in Detroit and he was a failed second round pick with the lions at the Patriots get for absolutely nothing one of those Bill Belichick pick swap swindles that he has done in the past becomes the New England Belichick puts him back on the line of scrimmage in a 3-4 defense has an outside linebacker and everybody's making these my my Grable Rosie Colvin, you know, whatever one you want to use kind of comparisons at this guy that can play a little bit off the line a little bit off the line extremely versatile guy really smart and terrible guy that really started to pick up the system later on in this Patriot Square as well and Bill Belichick talked about that too of how smart of a player think of a player Kyle Van Noy became so 2019 the boogeyman his last season with the Patriots been noise was a really really good player for them. Led the team in quarterback pressures goes ahead. Paid by Miami and here we are that he's a free agent again. So it was a little bit of an interesting ending. I would say that van noise Patriots tenure that 2019 season obviously didn't and any way that anyone was home active but I remember standing in the locker room on that the day after they lost the Titans speaking to Kyle Van Noy and we all left that day saying, oh this guy's chasing the money, right? There's no way he's back here next year. I'm going to go after the biggest contract possible in the free agent Market. We all thought that Miami was a possibility to throw it was a possibility again with Matt Patricia end up in Miami for I think it was almost thirteen million dollars a year a really big free-agent contract. It just felt like the writing was on the wall form at that point that he was going to go ahead and get paid and take advantage of how well he played a New England. But yeah now as a different story and the Patriot gas cap space this this move makes all the sense in the world to add him back with Dante Hightower and give them some veteran Presence at that edge position. That was I would say arguably the worst part of their job. Last year was setting the edge of the defense John Simon Chase winovich really struggled in that role of annoyed did not so I think that this is an easy one and easy one to decide that they should go after him I would get sick and I guess I'll just to backtrack something I said cuz I saw somebody I can remember who points us out on Twitter. There is I guess technically one more patriots satellite campus out there now that's down in Tampa and they do have some linebacker wage depending for agent. So maybe that's competition but it's a different scheme that right, you know, it's not the like the Patriots gave me add two braids becoming more and more the coach. He might take over the defensive side of the ball at some point, This is Todd Bowles of the defense is a very good defensive coordinator. He just won the Super Bowl basically, so I think the other thing was going down there I will mention is that maybe more so than brown noise extremely close with Robbie G as he calls him Rob Gronkowski those who were really good friends in New England. So maybe if you're looking for a Tampa Bay connection, I think it's actually be on Brady wage. It might actually be wrong that could really appeal to Kyle Van Noy again. I think the biggest thing is though is that he knew that Bill Belichick optimized him here in New England. He knew that his skill-set was best song by Bill and I remember he went on I can't remember I think was a Bleacher Report podcast or something like that where he said, I got to New England Bill kind of gave me like a three-step plan of how he was going to use me in this defense fact. I kind of had an epiphany of like, wow, this guy knows exactly how to use me correctly. This is exactly how I should have been playing my entire career and he really turned it around with the Patriots. This would be an awesome move for the pass. This is exactly the type of player the type of situation that they needed somebody that they have a past relationship with that. They can bring in to add to the front seven. I couldn't really think I had never thought of this was a possibility cuz I think he actually had a pretty solid season, you know, you just as a you know, we did last week the cap casualties as a cap casualty. They have Andrew van ginkel who isn't Vannoy but isn't a bad player at all. Solid player so, you know, there's not a nine million dollar gap between the two of them. It was worth bringing up the nine million dollars. That's just the reality of what this offseason is going to be in the NFL for most often not all of them. There's a handful of teams to do actually have some cap space under the lower salary cap, but you're going to see players like this like Kyle Van Noy quality players coming off of good years. In fact, even Thirty like he's not I don't think so. Cuz the Patriot bolt in his on his rookie contract remember from from Miami from Detroit, excuse me, when they made that trade he was still off on his on his rookie deal. I mean and I think the insurance yeah, he he turns Thirty March 26th, right? So, you know age isn't an issue here know age isn't an issue. I would assume as well that it is probably going to be one of those situations where the players going to take a one-year deal to try to reset his value. This just screams exactly what Jamie Collins just did with the Patriots right? Yep. I think there might have been a little bit more than what they paid Collins is last time around but the screams that situation where he signs a one-year deal back in New England where he knows he's going to start and he knows he's going to produce an easy transition back into the system for him. He knows everything ins-and-outs of the defense like the back of his hand. He's going to have a great season with the Patriots if he comes back. Yeah. I know we're talking about like it's just a done deal. I guess not it's it's on be up to him, right? You know, it's obviously going to be up to him if he wants to come back but it didn't end on a poor know. I mean obviously engine or not in terms of the results losing to the Titans and the Wild Card round was not what you had in mind but it is typically did not play well in that game. Yeah, it didn't end poorly with the coaching staff didn't end poorly. Would Bill Belichick, you know, there was no sourness on either side. It was just that Miami came out and gave this Godfather and type of offer to hit Kyle Van Noy and free agency that the Patriots just never were going to match. But I think it really comes back to the fact that the Patriots have like we've been saying they have those young linebackers and Luce and Jennings that are those developmental pieces. If you add another game, you know, if you add a fee Warner if you add somebody like that in the second to the third round, it's kind of the same thing, right? You're still going with young inexperienced players. The annoyed gives them a guy that has been having done that won a Superbowl understands how the scheme is around and understands his role within it. That's why it makes so much sense is that when you look at it for team, this can be sort of a Reclamation project for both sides, right? And you look I mean Hightower we think is coming back from the opt out. The report is he's coming back but beyond that, I mean, they're next closest blind back or he's kind of in that gray area, I guess in in terms of veterans John Simon. He's a pending free agent. Who knows if he's coming back. So if you lose Simon, then you have high tower coming off a year off. You have Bentley who has like thirty something at a field games under his birth. And then a bunch of rookies or second-year guys start bringing. This was a huge problem last year. You mentioned their linebackers specifically on the edge where one of the main issues I think a big reason that was an issue is you just had a ton of guys who it either never played in the NFL or played only a handful of snaps in the NFL you did that to position where experience is huge and they didn't have it. They had Brandon Copeland for like four or five wage is mostly on special teams. Then he got hurt. They didn't have that that veteran presence against shilique Calhoun kind of was in that role at one point. He's hardly what you would consider, you know, not a bad player, but he's hardly a log into NFL veteran. He's a departure from the kind of you know, veteran leader taunts a Hightower as Kyle Van Noy can give you some of that. So not only does he help schematically, I think just having him in that room would be incredibly valuable to the team as they try to develop the Joshua Casey Anthony Jennings, Terez Hall, like whoever absolute no-brainer, I think from the Patriots perspective. The question is it says van dog Want to come back or the Patriots going to be willing to pay the money that he might be able to get on the open market but from New England perspective and absolute no-brainer. This will veteran linebacker moved that they kind of needed this off-season, right? I didn't really think that they were going to be too interested in the Levante David or even the Matt Milano at their price tags, but the noise on a one-year eight million dollar deal to come play Edge for them so that they can develop food chain Jennings behind him that that's got no brainer from a patriot perspective written all over. Well you what let's play this game you're talking about the value. So Vannoy on his previous deal was scheduled to make twelve million dollars over the next three years. So that's just why you don't do math on the other. That's three. Would you give him like a three year Thirty million dollar contract 36 million dollar contract wage. I probably would I don't know if Bill Belichick would go there for pass-rush usually doesn't pay the pass rushers Chandler Jones Richard Seymour Kyle Van which whatever level of degree you want to go with them. Usually those guys get paid elsewhere not in New England, but I do think that the Patriots again do not like you've been saying they don't have a ton of Veteran presence of that spot and wage is definitely the type of guy that could stick around for a couple of years and give them that and it would really mitigate some of their needs on the edge of the defense and not force them to either overpay somebody else and free agency that's never been a scheme or go out in the draft and use another high asset another top-100 pick on an edge rusher. Remember I mentioned in Jennings they also use the top 100 pick on Chase winovich. So they've tried to hit that spot in the draft three times now and they've gotten some good players. They've gotten some good prospects, but those are developmental guys, you know, when if it's maybe not so much anymore because we kind of know what he is, but certainly with you J and Jennings home on the developmental stages of their careers. This is a ready-made starting NFL Edge Defender and Kyle Van Noy who just had a huge season with the Patriots not too long ago. So and again he had a good job. Is in get a good season Miami so it's not like, you know, you're not getting him cuz I see people on Twitter right now saying Jamie Collins and they got Jamie Collins for it wasn't it? Like $900,000. It was it was nothing like me, really did not you're right. I know this isn't quite that there's certainly a parallel and I'm not saying you can't draw that parallel, but you can't when it comes to the contract. Kyle Van Noy was not cut because he's not good player hitting very good player last year was he playing up to twelve million dollars a year? Right a $14 cap hit maybe not was he playing his like an eight nine ten million dollars a year linebacker. Yeah, probably is he going to get that in free agency the Market's down, you know, as I kind of look here at this contract a little further. So there was an out after this upcoming season so didn't use the out here. They're going to have to eat the dead money, which it looks like is a lot is also only like four million, so it's not too bad, but you know you factor in the out you split the difference. Can you get him for like two years twenty two million two years twenty-three million that feels realistic to me based on the deal JJ Watt you're signed and and what he's been in the last five years only playing 16 games twice. He hasn't played eight and the other more than eight and the other three, I would give Kyle Vander like a two-year ten million dollar twelve million dollar year contract and that's not a totally foreign for the Patriots either. They don't pay big for Edge rushers, but they will go out and give a linebacker that kind of middle term deal in the in the times where they really need one. And like we said took a number of reasons in terms of putting together the depth chart in terms of Veteran leader. They need that guy. I don't think that's unrealistic for vendor. I think that could get it done like 2 to 23 something like that like that feels like my question is a linguistic ballpark. Yeah, just a wrap this up. My question is today even need to do that because this is going to be an offseason with the cap situation being that what it is. A lot of these veteran players are going to suck. One year deals, right A lot of these guys are going to sign one-year deals for modest money and they're going to bank on themselves so that when the cap resets in 2022 and goes back up to over two hundred million dollars. They can then go ahead and make that big money deal. So from Van Nuys perspective. I actually think that the best thing for him to do is kind of 1-year deal in the right ball out and then go and sign another big contract and free agency after that. That's the parallel to Jamie Collins, right? It's nice too much that Vinoy is at that level of where Collins was before. He came back to New England in 2019. The parallel is that one you'll deal bet on yourself play really well and then go ahead and get your big money contract. We got a shout out our sponsor ad bit online. AG. Maybe you want to go on bed online and bet on, this is next destination. I'm sure that odds will be up there very soon or any of it upcoming free agents that we're going to talk about on today's podcast, but BetOnline the fastest and easiest way to bet on all your Sports Action. Yep. Call might be over but MBA college basketball and the NHL are on full-swing but online even covers Awards TV shows and reality T V real time updated odds and props on almost anything you can you imagine but online has you covered for all the new scoresandodds the best way to place your bets and it's free to sign up enter the website or use your mobile device to sign up today and receive your 50% Welcome bonus on your phone number to posit don't sit on the sidelines any anymore get in on the action. Don't forget to use that promo code clns 50 to receive a 50% Welcome bonus with your first deposit. All right, we wanted to talk about one more place a news here before we move on to our free agency offensive preview. We did defense last week. We're going to do offense this week non-quarterback still cuz we talked so much about the TVs the other piece of info. We wanted to talk with Jason La Canfora saying that NFL Executives feel that Stephon Gilmore is basically trade bait nap or New England and he's going to be traded at some point in this offseason would have liked him for his name. It was a foregone conclusion is basically what he is hearing of Gilmore being traded we've talked about this one briefly, but maybe not as in-depth as we could this seems like a really strong possibility that's been happening for a very long time last training camp. The Patriots had to give him an advance in his salary to get him back into Camp as he was unhappy with his contract. He puts his house on the market because you know right around the trade deadline the end off deadline last season, he doesn't get moved. They tried to move him or had conversations about moving him before the draft as well last year. So this is a long time coming that Stephon Gilmore and the Patriots are parting ways off. Yeah, and it I don't know that it made sense for them to like need to do it enough at any of those previous points. You mentioned it makes sense. Now, he needs a new contract. They're going in another Direction, you know, giving a thirty-year-old cornerback. Twenty-five Thirty million dollars a year, whatever it's going to be. It's just not where they are as an organization right now. So it makes a ton of sense at this point. The question is how do they approach it? Are they going to look at a player for player wage in maybe you find a player on another team who's in a similar spot at a position of need right corner is not exactly that kind of position need for the Patriots. Is there a wide receiver somewhere is is their safety package where who's in this kind of same spot that they can just essentially trade problem for problem or do you go into the draft? That's what I would do. I wrote about this last week for 98 five The Sports Hub, You can check it out. I think what you have to do with Gilmore. Look at what the Vikings did was to find Dick's last year. They traded him for it and it was a bunch of pics but we're just going to highlight the trade him for a first-round pick. They then use a first-round pick on the same position. So, yes, you give up an established veteran but an established veteran who wanted out and in exchanging it younger at the position yet more affordable at the position if you hit on the pick, you still suck. Player, obviously that last one's a big if but you know digs was under contract because I think had for years left on a five-year do when they made that trade. He's also younger than Gilmore and wasn't coming off in the injury. So the values not quite the same the Vikings. I think they moved into the top fifteen right? Where was Jefferson taken or he was eighteen twenty to Twenty-One. Okay, great before the Patriots because you remember the Patriots were on the phone right now to check they make you take vitamins make a big for Justin Jefferson the Patriots traded out of 23 like 30 seconds later. So I would say that again in some sense the value wasn't clear but I would argue Gilmore just inherently as a player is more valuable than what Stefon Diggs was at this time last year just being a cornerback. Obviously, he needs a new contract that doesn't help. So a first-round pick may be a stretch but a team I'm looking at is the Green Bay Packers. They're sitting at number twenty nine. It was made painfully obvious as fear evident that NFC Championship Game. Just rear Alexander And as good as he is and I think the world of Gerald Sanders a corner. She needs some help on the other side. It's not going to matter. Right right yet hover every receiver on the field. He can only cover one guy and co-workers are they need to sell out? They need to go and make a run. Aaron Rodgers window is closing, right? So, can you get 29 for maybe Gilmour and you throw a fourth or fifth in there something and I used that pick on a corner. Maybe it's Asante Samuel jr. Or somebody I've seen mocked there, you know something like that where you mimic the Stefon Diggs trade another team. I think that now should be in play Life on Gilmore. They weren't until yesterday is the Arizona Cardinals because they're starting to build up quite the roster but they're missing one thing a secondary. They have budda Baker who's good. But you know Patrick Peterson isn't quite Patrick Peterson anymore. You know, they they have an agent Byron Murphy. I you know, I think that's something where can you get a first-round pick from a team that's just desperate in will overpay for Thursday. Corner, and then they're a little bit higher in the draft the Cardinals. I do remember exactly where they are but do the same thing flip that and then maybe you're in the JC horn conversation or something like that. That's how I would approach this if I was the page. So, I think that the Patriots kind of I think they they by kicking the can down the road on this trade. I think they eliminated all hope that they're going to get a first-round pick for Stephon Gilmore cuz he's only under contract for one month or year. It's not even necessarily the age of the injury. It's that you're trading for the player to then pay the player and give him a monster contract on top of the fact that you have to flip an asset for him. So I wonder if the best possible scenario for them and I think there are some things that are in play in the Top fifty, you know, maybe Dallas trades their second round pick to the Patriots for Stephon Gilmore, but I actually would call Dallas and try to create a deal around Michael Gallup and Stephon Gilmore. Maybe Dallas gives you Michael Gallup and 1/3 and you send back Stephon Gilmore to to the Cowboys those player for player swaps. I think it need to be in the conversation with them. More because they can take like you said from an area of strength that cornerback and address a need at wide receiver and get a veteran wide out in here because I think the draft pick as we know and end of the first draft it can be a crapshoot, right? It can turn right as quickly as it can turn into Logan Mankins it can it can turn into n'keal Harry right and you just don't know what that laws are down over us are dealing with the second round. But yeah, yeah, that's what we're getting at. So the question is is is that is that really the rep that you want to go with such a great player like Stephon Gilmore not knowing exactly what you're going to get in that draft pick is a little bit dicey number. I think the benefit of it is and we I wrote about this a few weeks ago is that there are some cornerbacks in the draft especially near the top of the draft. We're really really prototypical Patriot type of player Patrick Stewart is probably going to be a top ten top 15 pick but he's definitely a patriot type of corner, press 15 to 25. Maybe. I don't know. It depends on who you ask for. Now on Caleb Farley has a lot of people dead. Spooning as well because of his athleticism. But either way he's going to be in the top ten top fifteen of the NFL draft JC horn I think is another guy who might be the most physical Corner in the entire draft, right? He plays a really physical brand of football both against the past and in run support he can tackle he can really play press man coverage. He's got fluidity. He's got all the man coverage skills in the world that you're going to want to stop all skills is. Lengths. He went to South Carolina just like Gilmore, right? You know there there's a lot of things that he resembles in a patriot type of corner as well. So there are guys in the draft especially at first round conversation at fifteen that the value is going to be there and the skill set and the translation into the Patriots defense is 100% going to be there now. None of us really want our closing time for the Patriots to take the corner in the first round necessarily, but if they lose a guy like Gilmore, they need to have somebody in that spot that can start and play productively right away. You can't really go off. With all let's see what happens with Joanne Williams at that spot or let's put Jason McCourty there at that spot of his age. I think that's a losing proposition. So somebody next to the other side of Jesse Jackson may be a ready tailor-made corner and I think it's there's a bunch of options in the first round there that I just mentioned. I don't know if Farley is necessarily their type of guy. He's pretty raw but Patrick's aren't and JC horn in particular two guys that definitely check a lot of boxes for the Patriots. Yeah. And I mean, I it's an interesting point about Gallup you kind of just trade one need for another I I'm still you know, I think they can get a first-round pick them trading in to the top fifteen within they're not going to do that. But again a team like the Packers that the windows so small, what does that first round pick really do for them right by the time that guys ready to go off is Aaron Rodgers even still there? Okay. So like I look at that and I think it just makes all the sense in the world for them to bring in a veteran. There's not a ton they can do with that pic. I know you have to figure out the cap side of it but the dog As Belichick lights to say can be maneuvered so I'm not I don't know like if you trade for a guy like Michael Gallup, right who you just brought up then that's uh, you know a one year for one year Thursday. Are you residing if you can sign Michael Gallup to an extension, I guess I'm more behind it. If you know you're going to do that. But if you trade Gilmore for a first you draft a corner, that's a four to five-year investment. That's a guy, you know, you're gonna have as you go through this to to rebuild that you that can kind of be a Cornerstone of the defense if you treat Gilmore for Gallup, you're giving up a Cornerstone who granted you might lose any way for guy. You might lose you still might lose anyway, and then you're just back to zero, I guess maybe going to throw around cam pic. So I'm just I guess I'm more interested in the long-term right now and to me if you can swap him for a pickup understand there's risk, but I just like the long-term upside of that and I trust Bill Belichick to identify a first-round cornerback. Maybe not a second round cornerback. I already mentioned reside Dowling but in in such a good corned number. At year, right? I trust him to go out and find the right guy there. Yeah, and it's an interesting trade because I think the Patriots are going to pull off a trade this offseason. This is just a gut feel like that's a little bit creative right? I don't know if it's going to necessarily be that traditional. Oh, we flipped Jimmy Garoppolo for a high second-round pick, right? I don't know if it's going to be that way because I feel like if she has a Green Bay, maybe it's like a second round pick and Green Bay is got a bunch of receivers. Maybe they send a receiver a part of the package do to incentivize the deal for the Patriots, you know, something like that. It's a little bit outside the box that's sort of like an MBA trade where you're trading players and picks. I feel like that that's sort of how the Patriots lead to think right now because they might not be a super attractive destination for some of these free agent wide receivers were about to talk about they might not be able to entice Hunter Henry to come here with their quarterback situation or a Curtis Samuel or will Fuller to come here with their quarterback. Situation, so maybe they have to think a little bit outside the box and that's a really good segue into our freeway. Hang on real quick. You won't hear sure Devin McCourty just tweeted at Kyle Van Noy with the eyeball emojis wage for the two of them and Patriots uniform. I'm telling you it just Emoji season. Maybe it may not have it happen for everybody because then I can easily come back here or have another 60 pressure season rushing the passer for Bill Belichick and go ahead and get a very similar deal that he just got in Miami for another team. It just it just has all the makings of them return in in the world. Let's talk about these free-agent offensive players though as I mentioned off the top of the show. We're not going to really hit on quarterbacks, but I do want to tell you guys that we're assuming that Dak Prescott off on Robinson Chris Godwin and this one's a little bit more fifty-fifty, but I think the lines are eventually going to attack Kenny golladay as well. So I think those four guys are all going to be Franchise Tax, so we're not going to talk about them birth. Talk about people that we not talk about demonstrate targets when it comes to Dak Prescott Italian trade situation. I guess we could we could I don't I will say it again cuz I haven't noticed a million times so I can find it when it happens in a call back to it. I don't see a world where Dak Prescott can self respectively play Under the franchise tag for the Dallas Cowboys. I don't see it and after all he's given that organization the injury and all of that and a quarterback empowerment what's going on do get paid get some long-term Financial Security or cherries going to tag, you know, there's it's a hundred percent guaranteed forty million bucks jobs are few signs of tender is forty million dollars Richard. That's why you in here and I think it's important that Kirk Cousins talked about this well little bit about not being afraid of the tag as a quarterback right wage because you can actually make more money if you signed two tabs and then the three-year deal after that for franchise quarterback money you end up making more money than you would if you just signed a deal in the in the short-term, I think. Cowboys and Dad Prescott her headed sort to sort of a little bit of a standoff here because Jack wants that deal. Obviously. He wants to get Patrick Mahomes level money. He's not going to get that right off quarterback, but he's not Patrick mom, so he's not going to touch that but you want thirty-five forty million dollars a year and I think the sticker shock of that regardless of how highly they think of that page in the building the appear sticker shock of that I think is too much right now for Jerry Jones right to really sell himself on paying one guy thirty-eight million dollars a year for the next five six seven years. I just don't think Jerry can stomach it right now. And and that's going to be the problem for Dallas with deck is that deck is not going to commit to anything less than what he's worth as he shouldn't and they're kind of heading towards an impact there, but let's drop the deck. All right, you know that you want them to sneakily go after DEC I get it. Let's talk about Hunter Henry here though for a second and who is projected to make sure? 5 and 1/2 million dollars per year on the open market as the top paid tight end in free agency. We know Bill Belichick loves the guy. We know he's been watching him since high school and all that kind of stuff and he is your prototypical white. I didn't write you can put his hand in the dirt and block you can run around from in line or detach from the formation. It runs really good Ralph breaks at the top of his route. He's very clean at the top can break off of options and stuff like that. That's what he did with the Chargers a lot when he is healthy. He's a pretty good red-zone weapon as well. So you understand why he is going to make as much money as he's going to make I actually think the money is a little bit on top of what Hunter Henry himself is said personally about the quarterback situation needing to be good and the situation around him needing to be a certain level of of contention. I think money factor is actually going to play in here with under Henry because the Patriots did just take two guys in the third round at the position. Are they really then going to take that and then allocate a lot of decent amount wage? Cap space to a tight end as well. So now you have to top one hundred and one picks a 12 and 1/2 million dollar tight end three guys that you're kind of invested in that one spot when you're really only going to play one or two at a time. Yeah. It's going to come down to the money and look you can say he wants to play for winter. All he wants JJ Watt said that and he signed with the Cardinals who aren't bad, but they're not, you know Contender, they're not a top-level team off if the Patriots want Hunter Henry they have to pay them the most money, right? It's that simple and whether they will or not, you know, I don't know that you put him in the situation with I think if you if you really want Hunter Henry and he's how you fix. Your Tite you think he's how you fix your tight end position you right off Devin asiasi adults and Keen is just operational losses right in that is what it is. You're going to stick with those guys and they're fine backup tight ends and off the the idea is if you give what was it twelve million dollars a year for how many years was the projection there about four years twelve and half million dollar deal. It's it's essentially the same as what other guys like Austin number and people of that level I've gotten in the fridge inside and Market just obviously relative to this year's cab. So we'll call like a four year 55 million dollar deal. If you're if you're giving Hunter Henry a four year 55 million dollar deal with the idea is you're done adding it tight end for the next four years. So and I I said this right when we talked about drafting tight ends that I think that whatever tight end they add this year. That's it the conversations over your job done so they have to hit on that like if you under Henry, yes, you can't add any more but in theory, that should be fine because you have Hunter Henry in your okay. So like I'm not worried about that I would think a.m. Wouldn't be worried about that cuz you're not signing Hunter Henry with the thought that shoot now. We can't add any more tight ends. You shouldn't need to that being said if they really want, you know, a better second tight end on top of it than this is not your guy. Then what you need to do is sign a Gerald Everett or trade for Zach ertz, and then get back into the draft and try to get one of these top-tier tight ends. That's how you build that way. And then maybe you cut bait with Dalton Keenan some point to free up the roster spot. I don't think you can look at when it comes to the draft. I think you can look at Asia Asia and Keen as stopping the addition of a tight end because three tight ends on rookie deal you really tied in now to guys who are not sure things Hunter Henry injuries aside is as sure thing as you're going to get so if you're bringing him in I'm not worried if that closes the door in the same position because it should be closed. You shouldn't need to add another tight end if you get Hunter Henry, but again if they want to get them that projection was what twelve and half over forty years. It might take 60/4 bath. Not only are you going to need to pay him the most you're going to need to pay him significantly more since he's coming to a situation where there's offensive uncertainty. You might need to pay him $15 a year is he said that he would be if he didn't get hurt a lot. I can tell you that we know the Chargers medical staff is like I want to say a mess. That's underselling it one of their one of their traits just punctured to starting quarterbacks lungs and it was like, oh this isn't the first time something that's dumb has happened. So, you know, maybe Hunter Henry is not injury-prone. Maybe the Chargers just suck ass at keeping them healthy, which that certainly lines up right every year. There's one big charger injury and training camp. McCain has been hurt his entire career in Allen. Who is Casey Hayward. You've got hurt like four years in a row off like it's it's even trickier there cuz you don't know what the real injury situation is. But again, they're going to have to pay him and pay him a lot, but I wouldn't let that I wouldn't let that stop me cuz I'm He solves your issues at tight end as well. As any option. You're going to get this offseason. Yeah, I agree a hundred percent with that. It wasn't interesting thing about Hunter Henry is quarterback comment was is that does that mean that he doesn't feel that Justin Herbert wage is a good enough quarterback to bring him back to the Chargers. I don't know if he necessarily meant that but say that the quarterback has to be good and he's willing to kind of shop himself in free agency a little bit kind of suggest that maybe he doesn't feel like a rookie or a second-year quarterback. Like Herbert is moving the needle Forum he needs to go to a situation where there is a proven veteran commodity at any of those teams have cap. None of their teams that have those wage except. I think a lot of guys say things when they enter free agency, right because it's really easy to say something when you don't have the dollar amounts in front of you again, look at j j y if he really wants I go to a winner and it was about maximizing his career. He would have played for $900,000 for the Pittsburgh Steelers lined up next to his brother. They would have had the best defense in football. But what do you have you can say all you with? When there's fifteen million dollars and twenty five million dollars sitting in front of you on the table, you know, a lot of stuff just goes right out the window. Yeah. Yeah and Hunter Henry like you said I think is a plug-and-play player that fills all the needs that you needed at at out of a tight end, right? You can be a matchup weapon. He can be a blocker he can do a little bit of everything, you know is not necessarily as versatile as a guy like Johnny Smith your birth to talk about here in a second, but he's definitely checks a lot of those boxes. I just wonder if he's going to want to come here. I wonder if the Patriots are going to be attractive enough if Bill Belichick gushing him about him and saying much he loves them all the way back to high school is really going to be enough of on top of the fact that they're going to offer them the money. Is that going to be enough to learn him here. The next name we want to talk about is Will Fuller house who is going to be paid. Hey despite his injury history. The projections are still having him at over around sixteen Seventeen million dollars a year. That sounds like a whole lot of money for a guy. That's never. Yep. Field but when he is on the field, we're talking about a game-breaker, you know, a game-breaking vertical threat that is one of the best vertical threats in the entire NFL at just creating separation over the edge of the defense of getting behind the defense. We're talking about somebody that can really burn on the inside in the slot or on the outside. Not necessarily a scheme touch guy. Not a ball-carrier like a Tyreek Hill, but just a traditional straight line. I'm going to meet you in the end zone type of player. It's a lot of money but the Patriots desperately need somebody like that that can do that those sort of things. Yeah. I just think with them, right they look at value our how do they value their not you're not getting him for what? Is it? Six games? Right? Yeah suspension the first six games of his contract and he served he survived those games at the end one. It's one game. Okay, so then yeah, like maybe he's an option I again with I just I I've said this before he's going to be probably top three paid received. Free agency, right? If not top five. I you know, if you're going to spend twenty five million dollars at that position give me a $15 guy and a ten million dollar guy instead of just 125 million dollar guy. That's just thought, you know, the Patriots need more than one receiver more than one established receiver. Can they go to the draft sure, but what are they really have four nfl-caliber wide receivers on this roster? I you know what Julian Edelman status is going to be during the year. N'keal. Harry obviously is still a project to Mere bird is a third fourth receiver. Maybe he's not a guy you count on a Jacoby Myers is the closest thing they have and she's even you know, he he shouldn't be your first receiver. He should be your third or fourth. So right there you need at least two. If not three guys, if you spend all that money on will Fuller all that's going to have to happen is we'll Fuller's going to get double-covered and yeah, Jacoby Myers has a slightly better year than he did last year, but you're kind of just right back where you were they need to have Optimum. They need guys who will stress the defense from different points blowing twenty million dollars on will Fuller. Well, he's a good player doesn't solve that it needs to be multiple players. They need to build an offense not just a bulb talent and what it's going to cost them to bring in will Fuller I think handcuffs them in acquiring some of that second level talent that they ultimately need to get back into contention. Yeah, I agree with all that. I think the biggest thing was off though just to play Devil's Advocate is that the Patriots have been the slowest offense in the NFL for two years, right? They've been I would say even arguably three years if you want to go back to the 2018 season, even though I'm with a Superbowl not offense had issues certainly during the regular season that time that's a really big issues and will Fuller when he's healthy and that's that's a big if if he's healthy he comes in here and he brings a level of explosiveness that they have not had since I guess Brandin Cooks, right? They they just haven't had somebody that can truly explode and create big plays for the offense. Yep. Willful are can that's what they need. They need a big-play threat and will Fuller is one of the best and he's an unrestricted free agent and he's available that that's sort of the conversation there. Next guy on my list. Here is Juju Smith Schuster who I think if Juju Smith Schuster did none of the tick top stuff that none of the off-field trash-talk didn't stop on dance on logos and all that kind of stuff. If you just looked at Juju Smith Schuster on tape and you said with the Patriots be interested in this player. The answer would be a hundred percent. Yes, but something tells me that Bill Belichick is not get a a wide receiver $16 a year. That's just as interested in making Tik Tok videos as he is preparing for his next opponent. Yeah. There's a commitment question there. He also the last Steelers receiver granted completely different kind of person the personality issue or if it is at this point. You're not sure though, right like did some of that Antonio Brown juice rub off on Juju because know did they hate each other? Okay, and JuJu wasn't that guy because he's you know, he's a second-round pick the risk of the concerns coming out of USC about his speed and his ability to separate and stuff like that and he came in and he worked his butt off and made himself a a really good NFL player that's going to get paid this offseason. But now all of a sudden he started reading, you know, his own press clippings a little bit got a little bit D but him and he's kind of changed a little bit more towards that and Tom Brown Diva wide receiver mentality. Yeah, and again, like different different personality issues. But the last dealers receivable brought in didn't exactly go swimmingly. They're still literally paying for it off. You know, you mentioned the work ethic is there. Yeah, cuz he's not the player. He was at USC. We know he knows how to make himself a better player that one to me comes down to a meeting. I can see to embellish am interested but it's going to be you know, can can you look Juju Smith Schuster in the eyes and see yes. I'm going to you know, I'm going to tow the company line. I'm going to be what you want to be. I think the the concept that busy Spell check sucks all the personality out of his players is a little over right Rob Gronkowski. Look, he's not the guy he is now in Tampa, but he was able to have a personality Tom Brady certainly social media page later Years in New England was able to have a personality which seemed like JC Jackson talks a lot. Yeah, we don't talk about it. But he what did he say before surgery training camp last year. I can cover anything else. He talked about Juju after that. He I don't remember that one. But I remember that I can cover anything. Yeah. Yeah, you know, he does talk a little bit Ginger tell us a lot though, you know, it's basically the whole, you know, Bill won't cuz he uses shows social media. That's overblown. I I do think there's an element of it to dancing on the logo stuff right bills not going to want that. The one thing he does one is bulletin board materials. So I think it comes down to conversation and basically, you know, his pitch to Juju is I can get the most out of you. You did a really good job growing your game I can help you with. Keep growing it, but you need to cut back somewhat on the social media. Does he believe we'll Juju agree to that and we'll build trust Juju to agree to that becomes the question but there are no Jews a special talent. He's not a unique talent. There are other guys for roughly the same price. We're going to give you roughly the same thing. They might not be as young but how many receivers truly get a second contract the Patriots. So that might not be something bills worried about but he can go elsewhere find guys who can give him the same production bill can who aren't going to be dancing on logos. So that might be, you know, kind of like the breaking point for that one. Yeah. That's the biggest thing. I think on the positive end for JuJu's first of all, he's got that great inside-outside versatility the guy that ran out of this lot a lot in Pittsburgh, but he can also Play On Em outside and he's a learned how to get fast enough and have enough first off the line of scrimmage that he can win with body positioning and contested cat situations down the field. He's a lot like a player like in a job. For instance who doesn't necessarily create loads of Separation every single time he goes out there but he gets enough of Separation that once the balls thrown to him that he's able to adjust to it and box out at the cash money to make plays on the ball down the field and that's how we gets productive and that's how he gets his yards. That's how Juju plays I remember when the Patriots drafted n'keal Harry. I was like, okay best case scenario. He's like a wage type of player that can move inside or outside and use his size. That's what Juju is already been and usually I think it's only twenty-four years old because there's one of the younger rookies in the NFL when he came in four years ago. So we still have a very young player as well which can often be appealing to teams knowing that you're still getting a guy in his mid-twenties instead of somebody that's pushing Thirty like someone like a Marvin Jones for instance. It can be 30 31 may be appealing to a rebuilding team like JuJu's 24, you know, that's definitely a big difference. So I loved again the player fits like a glove here in New England, you know, he's a perfect fit for the Patriot system. It's just that the character and and kind of the make up of the player not sure necessarily that checks that New England boxes. You going to try to buy in and is he going to adhere to the Patriot Way? It's definitely a birth mark Corey Davis is another receiver that I wrote down that I think he's a lot like Juju in some senses in terms of his playing style. But he's a little quieter than Juju Smith, right and that sort of maybe more up their alley, he's around that fifteen sixteen million dollar range as well coming out of college people thought that he was going to be a super Dynamic route-runner. It actually turned out that he is more of a vertical route-runner on the outside that wins it contested situations as well. But it really works the vertical route tree and the sidelines extremely. Well. This is a guy that I kind of calm to like a better version of like a break for the Patriots come in here and play that X receiver position extremely. Well another guy that's relatively young twenty-five twenty-six years old looking at a second contract right now. I think that they do The type of player that they could go after that might surprise some people, you know, it's sort of like that Stephon Gilmore contract or a wake up one morning and met and they signed Corey Davis to this really nice contract at that age takes Everybody by surprise, but I don't think it should be as surprising as we might think cuz he's sort of a notch below those guys that are going to get really paid still kind of in the middle though and has had a thousand yard season on his resume. Yeah, he's again, so to go back what I said before when I talked about like the 15 million and ten million dollar guy and start building the offense like Corey Davis is the exact guy. I look at here. The guy who's going to give you something don't have he's going to be consistent. He's done it before he's an experienced NFL receiver like you plug him in and then you go go to Speedster on the other side, you know breshad perriman is the name that I'm always down to throw out there. Like now you're building an offense Corey Davis is a guy where he's going to give you the production. He's not a world-beater right people are lining up to play as Corey Davis and mad and even though he's a good player. But you add Corey Davis you add another good complimentary piece you bring in that tight end all of a sudden you're building an offense. You're putting it together. You're getting a guy you can rely on to produce game a game out. It's not a crapshoot of you know, is he going to have one catch on 10 targets? Whatever. Is he going to get a Target? Is he going to get open? That's what it was all year last year with everybody Corey Davis is going to put up numbers. He's dead. Produce he's not gonna be a superstar but he's going to help you move the football and that is just with the Patriots need right now. They need multiple players who can help them move the football through the air Corps Davis is one of them and he comes at a price where you could go out and get other guys that will help you move the football. Yeah, the Patriots and really missed for a long time. Now, I would say that true boundry receiver a guy that can win on the outside against man coverage and create enough of of Separation out there to work the sidelines or a comeback route or a post route or a dig route over the middle of the field from an outside alignment. They sort of had it with Josh bulb. But obviously, we know that situation I was its own thing. Right right good for him though. We're starting with the FCF by the way good for hope it gets back to the NFL at some point. If you're looking for what Corey Davis is rolin what his routes what it looked like in New England though, it's Josh Gordon's Rowland r a tree right a guy on the outside your own slant. So you're going to run digs. You're going to run post and vertical rats. That's what the Patriots also need a job. Top of big plays and explosiveness somebody that can be out and I really like your point about just that consistent. Okay, we know that we can pencil in Corey Davis at The X 4 weeks 1 through 16 and he's going to be a good player. Right? Like quite catch is 80 yards and touchdown you're going to get that week-in week-out again, you're not going to win MVP doing that but it's it's it's building. You gotta walk before you can run. Yeah, and I you know, if you go out and sign out and Robinson and try to get a 1500 yard receiver and then you don't add anything else defenses are just going to double and triple Allen Robinson. He's not can get fifteen hundred yards and you're stuck where you were last year wage you build that all up you go out and get talented pieces and then you try to figure out a way where cuz this is how the Patriots won four years outside of you know, the Randy Moss Sarah people talk about Brady never had any doubt. He never had any Supreme Talent when you put so much talent on the field and you stretch a defense so thin right cuz they're this here defense. It didn't have to worry about anybody outside of maybe Jacoby e So they could you know neutralize him more if you've got to worry about I'll use the early two thousand seems as an example cuz the Patriots are doing that throwback thing now on Twitter. So that's been in my head. If you got to worry about Troy Brown in this life David Patten and David Gibbons and and you've got Kevin Faulk in the backyard, right all of a sudden now you that's less you can do on each individual guy. It's it's a little bit less. But if if the club on each individual guy gets a little bit lighter overall that makes those players better. So if you put together a whole offense and not just one Superstar each one of those individual players are going to look above their level because none of them can get that Focus that you get right like two years ago when it was just Julian Edelman and that was it and Gronk was gone and brown was gone and Gordon was hurt. That's what happened seems just took it in on Edelman. He caught a hundred passes, but they couldn't really do anything because teams basically figured out if we hold that home into this we could do it without expending too many resources elsewhere and they can't beat us with anybody else. That's what you want to avoid. Just Allen Robinson. Just Kenny golladay. Even if it's just Juju cuz he might be in that 20 million dollar range, right? If you have just one of those guys teams will say. All right, we'll take Highway, you know, go beat us with damiere Byrd. Go beat us with this. Udfa go beat us with that particular areas name and I go beat us with n'keal. Harry is what teams will say and they said now know the Patriots how these ads they're constructed can't do that. So let's take Corey Davis and my last name on my list and let's pair him with Curtis Samuel and what now you have a job in Corey Davis is going to play the X it's going to play outside and you have a guy in Curtis Samuel has your Z off the line flanked or whatever you want to call it receiver that can move all around the formation. I actually found at 3 a.m. From way back when Curtis Samuel was in the draft. I didn't I didn't remember this until I was searching my handle with Curtis Samuel's name for a video and I read realized that Curtis several used to play running back, right and that was his name. No role in college and his initial position in college. So he's got vertical ability at 431 speed and he's got bulk carrying ability with a running back background. So he is your sort of Swiss. Army knives versatile guy off. The line is from a jet. You're moving around. The formation Davis is your outside guy with your one-on-one coverage winner. That's an offense right. Now. You're starting to have complimentary pieces Curtis Samuel right off it around nine million dollars for David speaking 16 to Corey Davis to give 9 to Curtis Samuel here at that 25 for two is what we talked about all the time right now. You have an offense now, you have two complimentary offensive weapons that are going to be difficult to match up against that are going to be able to create mismatches across the field because the Patriots are going to be able to move those guys around and be creative with them exactly. That's what we're looking for. And you know, I think then you add a tight end to that whether it's Henry and now you're kind of spending a lot of money, but you're gonna have a pretty good offense or it's trading for Zach ertz, maybe yep. I like Tyler eifert who I don't thinks being talked about enough. I think I've heard, you know, he's played on some irrelevant teams radios in Cincinnati. And then he was with Jacksonville last year. Just you know, they're black holes their football black holes not really seen him, but he can play is he Henry know is he hurts based on what we saw last year if that regression holds he might be about that level, you know, you added him and now you have you know, not an elite number one side end, but the number one tight end and then Jacoby Myers, you know now suddenly there's a role for him. Now if Edelman comes back even though he's hurt he can maybe play a reduced role a situational role where there's less of a workload you figure out you sure you're doing it running back cuz James White's free agent, like now, you're putting it offense together where again if you spend twenty million dollars on Hunter Henry and twenty million dollars on all sides effort. You have a ton of star fat power but especially without a quarterback like that's not those players are hard to defend and Hunter Henry and all Shaun Geoffrey. But if you just add Hunter Henry and all Sean Jeffries the last year's Patriots offense. Yep. That tough to defend their not that much better. I think with those guys like the reason why I love a guy like Samuel as I mentioned the versatility in the ball-carrying. That's the type of player that Josh McDaniels always figure out a way to use right and I don't think Curtis Samuel on his natural ability. If you just line them up in the slot or you line them up outside. He only had a 851 receiving yards for Carolina last year. He's not he's not going to you know, wow anybody right? He's not going to go off or fifteen hundred yards just off his own natural ability, but if you get him with an offensive coordinator like McDaniels who knows how to move guys around who knows how to create mismatches for guys who knows how to create foot races for players that are fast like Curtis Samuel then you can maybe get a little bit more production where I could see him having, you know over a thousand yards, maybe Eleven Hundred yards when you had rushing yards or behind the line of scrimmage type of plays and stuff like that. We're talking about something here with him, and I think that he's going to be very affordable is the other thing. Maybe you got the maximum out at like 10:11 million phone number. You're just to get the player because of all the kind of competition for my thing that there is going to be out there. But I think type of guy that's not going to break the bank but the Patriots are going to have a unique way of using in mind already and might be a little bit different than you know, Curtis Samuel you run left Corey Davis you run right and everybody get open right? That's not necessarily what parents are going to ask a Curtis Samuel. So she was exciting. Let's talk about these last two tight ends are up against it. So let's do them quickly here Johnny Smith. I already put out a video said, he's my one of my top targets for the Patriots another chestpiece versatile guy, you can still play in line and put his hand in the dirt and block you can still do anything really on the offensive side of the football. They play them at running back a little bit in Tennessee, which you know, Bill Belichick's like salivating over them, right possibility of playing a six foot three 260-pound tighten it running back has got Bill Belichick all giddy. So I didn't use the type of player that plays a lot of different roles in the Patriots offense, and yep. One guy that could do it all you can play why in line you can play in the slot. You can play sort of that age back off the line role as a tight end a fun player if he comes here to New England. Yeah. I just don't know off like he's not what they tend to look for in Titans, right? They want those bigger six foot five six foot six tight ends. The shorter tight ends. They get generally are much quicker. I wouldn't say Smith is exact a speed demon. He's like, he's unique he's kind of I can't compare him to somebody he's built like who the Patriots have had cuz again, they just don't go after that guy. Like, I don't think he'd be a bad player. But again, I look at a guy, I forgot who just kind of fits their more traditional mold. Would he be a bad player to break the mold for no certainly not I think he can play but he just doesn't seem to be he doesn't seem to have some of what they look forward to position namely in terms of size. Yeah decides thing is an issue, but I think the guy that you don't want to mention that he kinda is like is Aaron Hernandez and but he's not that fast he's not as quick or dead. Is he he's a really great player after the catch. I mean that's what he's won consistently up near the top of the league amongst tight ends in terms of yards after the catch per reception. He obviously doesn't have the table at the Target share that a guy like a Travis Kelce has for instance where you could really rack up raw react totals, but just in terms of creating with the ball in his hands, he's really really good in that department. I don't know if he's dead a quicker as kind of agile through his route brakes as a guy like Hernandez was but he is that player that you know you go and you watch her Nana's old tape, they really obviously they had drunk so that that's part of the package he was somebody that they were always constantly moving around. I remember them running him having him run routes as a running back out of the backfield at times, you know, that's the type of thing that you could do with John who is kind of harken back to some of those Aaron Hernandez little wrinkles in the Playbook. I think he definitely fits that archetype. But again, I think a lot of that in the Gronk one, I think a lot of that worked because they had Rob Gronkowski. Yeah, and you don't like Johnny Smith is number two, I think makes more sense for the role that he would play. You don't want your loan tight end in the formation lining up in the back and like I don't know that that makes a ton of sense. And the question is is if you compare ja Tu and let's say they actually believed in Devin asiasi as an inline option because obviously did block pretty well last year, right, but then like your your number one tight end is your second best friend. I feel like you're just getting into this really weird cuz they're they put a lot into the pay structure. Right and all of that and John is going to be your highest paid tight end. He's going to be your best tight end. We're going to have him essential filling a number to roll. I just think that there's there's boundaries there in terms of how they usually operate and I'll say cuz I say it every show I have to say it take a drink cuz I said they're going to be uncharacteristically aggressive. So maybe they break the mold this year, but I just think there's boundaries to how they usually operate to make jonnu Smith a tough sell a little bit outside of their traditional birth. Boxes that need to be ejected. That's right, but they love versatility. They really do versatility. They love guys that they can move around he can certainly do that. Last one here Gerald Everett. This is now back into like the affordable tight end mark. Gerald Everett and five million dollars presents a ton of value because with the Rams their offense is really run through their wide receivers in their backpacks. It's not really a very tight and heavy offense. It didn't have a ton of opportunity playing in that big bass scheme. You give them some more opportunity. He certainly got some receiving skill. You can watch it. You can see it when he does get the chances to gain any can block a little bit. I think that Gerald ever it's a nice guy to kind of look at it what he could become in a year or two in a different system that really, you know, kind of amplifies his skill-set at the tight end versus what I was doing with him where he was really a fourth or fifth option at best. Yeah, I I like eifert kind of like you said because of the upside. I think he's a guy that talked about checking boxes. He checks a ton of the boxes for the Patriots in terms of size in terms of athleticism. He just dodged necessarily have the resume given a ton of opportunities. Some of that was a system. But again, he's more there's a question with that. There's a risk with that. Is he a number one tight ends don't know for sure. And if you add him that's it, you're done adding tight ends. You sign him to a three-year deal your risk essentially really handcuffing yourself into not having a number one tight end. I wouldn't I don't think that's a bad move to sign him. But if it's in for three years versus again, I keep going back to I forgot like eifert for a year who has done it and granted he's back slid a little bit but he's a good Mentor to the guys who had a room all of that. You can do it for a year. Then reassess suddenly. There's rookie deals are a lot easier to get out of you can really rearrange things. That's what I'm looking. But if they signed Gerald Everett, that's a good signing that's ultimately wage. Signing it's there is an inherent, you know, I don't for me. It's either I feel like I've been on both sides this either want them to take all the risks or wanting to take no risks the risk, whatever it is. Like you don't know that he's a number once I tend I heard in theory has done it. He had it down your last year, but he was in Jacksonville. So does it count? You know the whole team had it down here if she was I for his in his injured off the time he's got a really extensive injury to his right? But I mean if we're talking about Hunter Henry then she died and he did play sixteen games last year. I think he's played sixteen games last couple of years. So Gerald everything the interesting thing about him is just that if you want to see what maybe you still have an Aussie Osteen Keen arrival, by the way, I purchase just one game in the last few years. Okay, so he's been more durable as of like if you'd like to see what you have in Asti Asti, and Keen still than ever. It is. Not a 12 and 1/2 million dollar player, right? So if you sink five million dollars into Gerald every and debit Asti Asti ends up out playing game. Then so be it sort of right and you're not going to come in multiple years of guaranteed money. I you wouldn't think to a guy like Gerald Everett anyway, so maybe it is an only one year thing, but it does buy you time and it is an upgrade over like the Matt lacosse is in the rain is those are the world where you do have a serviceable NFL tight end to put in that spot while you develop the second year guys. So maybe that's sort of more the theme of okay. So if he's only here for one year as sort of that stopgap and that's great if Asti Asti ends up being good or Akeem ends up being good, right? Yeah, that's a good thing for the Patriots and then you can move on to every whereas with Hunter Henry or Johnny Smith you sign those guys to ten plus Million Dollar Deals. You're you're stuck with those players for a couple of years. And those are your guys for a few years and you're essentially giving up on any home and team developing to number one tight ends ever. It is more of like a complimentary piece to that group than necessarily the star that's going to surpass that group automatically as soon as they sign so that's why we went there. Yep. Average affordable guy we didn't mention I didn't have time to get to Marvin Jones another player that I always have liked him for the Patriots. But that issue I have with Marvin Jones that he's going to be Thirty-One years old. I don't know if they're in the market for thirty-one-year-old wide receivers anymore. You know, you don't have Tom Brady where you're in a win-now Super Bowl win. Do you know maybe a few years ago Marvin Jones would have made a little bit more sense. You are a fake Tim Patrick Robert tonyan, you know, those are guys I think that we should mention at least before we sign off here, but that's a good list, you know, if you do need wide receivers or tight ends. There's been a lot of free agent classes that have a talent and it's it's it's a good year to need a pass-catcher it is but you never want to need a pass-catcher, but if there's a year to to do it, I'll let me throw one more thing cuz this is why you always has it in breaking news when it's pre-recorded. So this just now from off work Kyle Van Noy has played his last down for the Dolphins, but a release won't come today. The team will try to trade him first. So sorry if you listen the first twenty minutes of the show, I guess I mean, it doesn't matter. Don't know who's trading for his contract. I don't think that you know, maybe the Patriots are probably the most likely team to trade first contract to give up like a sixth-round pick right for his contract, but maybe that all becomes irrelevant. How funny would it be if the Patriots just did the exact same thing that they did to get Kyle Van Noy in the first place to Detroit a trade at 6, and they get back the player, you know from a conditional perspective or something. I forget exactly what the pics swap it was but it was a pic swap trade to get caught up in I believe in the first place. Maybe they can pull something off like that with my enemy but the contract comes into play then right then because then you're picking up the contract if you acquire it would be a trade-off. So my guess is that the Patriots are not going to make a move on Kyle Van Noy utilities outright released. I doubt that they would trade for that contract and they wouldn't pay that contract glass off-season, you know, if they were going to pay them they were like, you know, so I guess I I don't think any like who does trade for him who is out there right now in a year where everybody's cats strapped saying I want to pay a lot a line back or fourteen million dollars, right, you know a non talk to your linebackers in dog. He's not he's not changing what so right, you know, I still think he ultimately has free agency. Well that about wraps up this show. We were very excited to break down that breaking news out of cloud that knowledge that one. Do you have fun? That's all that matters that someone makes all the sense in the world. Hopefully we hit on at least one name that we talked about today that ends up in a patriot uniform in a couple of weeks Alex and I will be back up our live Q&A edition of the podcast on Thursday 3 p.m. Eastern always on Patriot's illness or Patriots YouTube channel of Patriots, press pass as well. So make sure to look out for that on Thursday. We can answer your questions and talk about more offensive targets for New England and then we'll be back on the pot again next Tuesday talking more patriots free agency. Maybe we'll hit on some of their own free agents cuz there are quite a few guys that are set to be free agents from the New England perspective 26 players from the Patriots roster last year granted not the best roster in the NFL by any means, but twenty-six players is still a big number so we'll talk about some of those guys. Next week as well Q&A on Thursday, but until then signing off for Alex bars. I'm having Lazar. Thanks for watching.

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Giants vs Patriots Thursday Night Recap

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Giants vs Patriots Thursday Night Recap

"Takeaway for this patriots defense there's one blocks out of the year the second down and seven passes high in the air and passed Simon is back there to grab it out of the year Gilmore is number three from defense and special teams on the night salting away a thirty five fourteen win over the giants score that is kind of misleading it was closer and also a bigger last week from the Vikings game and and then yeah you have a rookie quarterback going into foxborough where check has never lost at home with facing the Patriots Vanoy Dies Kyle Van Noy scoring the Patriots second touchdown alot out than we expected and it was a weird game in many ways the Patriots defense committing or getting four takeaways off of the giants Brady Takes Browser Hagler. He's got it for the touchdowns a scoring fourteen points and really you know this game went into halftime pretty close one more game going into the fourth quarter and yet the Patriot for Daniel Jones Jones for Hillary third-down ball comes out lacoste back in there for New England hand off to both in for the touchdown Sony Michelle checks in take it to him good protection and this one is getting the victim intercepted by Toronto they put out a pod today working hard they are and they're having fun criss crossing the city but Yeah thirty thirty five fourteen my pre-game tweet I said thirty four thirteen it's who remained undefeated still look like the creamy they have see the giants they are who we thought they were. Daniel Jones a rookie quarterback making his first start in primetime didn't have a good game he did You know Lonzo Carla Good Jacker I made a couple of good players a couple of boneheaded plays just sloppy penalties again which is carrying from last right now they're not out and about at probably not what time would it be there we're doing this around like an eight hour time difference. I don't really know they've been busy with doing shoes. I've been seen all their stuff on social media quarterback so I kind of knew what this was getting into but from the start it didn't it didn't feel like this game is not going to be the Patriots going on the field and the giants looking nabbed aw over Jonathan Jones and suddenly giants are back in this and then almost on the very next drive marcus golden shows up and attacks the Patriots left side in Ingram Sterling separate who is Daniel Jones supposed to throw to get the ball to against a defense that is taking the ball away from everybody James Winston Kirk everybody bill belichick played how we expected it started out I'd but I think the result is what we expected yeah it was exactly what I expected I tweeted I mean I said that variously you have a big game it was Golden Day with the biggest game although Slayton did have targets as we're talking about off before we started defense I said they didn't get it the giants move in the balls well but punt it right back right but when the giants punt the ball back in their own zone big-play from the Patriots Special Teams Fancy now during the ATM recap because the Heroes Over in London having a great time and I believe today also is marks tussles birthday birthday mark happy birthday mark you are they're probably sleeping four turnovers again and the the pump return so that's pretty much five turnovers and that's how that's how it got started but then pretty much the Patriots score again receives the pump blocked touchdown runs it into the end zone and you know if you're somebody who owns the Patriots and fantasy this is what you want the Defense Special Teams Ah Daniel Jones who struggled mostly in this game throwing tight window passes as he has wants to do has been doing it at a great higher than any other quarterback in the league blocked blocked Punt Chase Winna Vich of people the best arguably the best player Patriot player from Michigan on the field tonight not not Tom Brady Chase one of each Brian Izzo was protecting Marshall newhouse fill in on the left strips axe Tom Brady you don't see that very often and mark golden takes it yeah a couple of points in distance and then all of a sudden like you mentioned the two straight scores is fourteen fourteen and now like okay we have a ball game this is not what I expected whatsoever I thought they were going to be out of this game by the way Jeremy Doing the eighteenth oh that's right we have to introduce our should injuries ourselves their voices to here Yeah Eddie Spaghetti here crossing over that they've played against and you know we didn't start well for the Patriots Tom Brady move the ball up and down the field but they went for fourth on the on early Dr Maybe a sloppy game that we are so it's going to happen a lot of weird stuff did happen that's right it started out everybody was talking about the giants coming into the game you don't have saquon you don't have Goldman says attempted tour Gilmore he had an insane amount passes there with like less than a yard a room and I think he only completed the the touchdown you mentioned the tate in one of their past into Brady you're stopping the run and they're like Josh Gordon is all banged up he's not he's not playing so you had the chance to strike and they were in we had a td run didn't throw a touchdown through a pick and also fumbled it was a very odd game from him he was short a lot of weapons today he came in without re finally breaks when open on to golden tate a sixty four yard touchdown pass the Patriots are fourteen nothing we think that the giants are lost in this game breaks it out to Golden Tate burkhead without Philip Dorsett and then pretty much halfway through the Game Josh Gordon goes out with a knee injury sufferers on the return of Marcus Golden into the end zone twenty nineteen or they like a replica of the two thousand Baltimore Ravens like in my head I was going to say that I was going to tweet that out and get eaten alive on on twitter and locally did not do that because better since the second half of the Tampa Bay buccaneers game they obviously came back and win when my game and I'm thinking to myself like Oh man like only of Saco wants buying and only of everything opinion is probably the best cover corner of not at a defensive MVP Stefan Gilmore pick in this game and also five passes the fence yet I mean he's he's insane he's I mean I'm shocked at Jones a missed field goal and then they went on another nine play drive turnover on downs because they don't trust Mike Nugent as they should not trust Mike nugent at this point and this was game because craft says something on NFL network about how you know Gronk hasn't signed his retirement papers yet and Rob Gronkowski showed up on the Fox pregame show they asked him about whether he was thinking about coming out of her in Gronk back in I know he looked like he was having a great time with stray hand and the guys on the Fox halftime set but the the Patriots really they lost a lot of guys today and one score game into the fourth quarter Daniel Jones had the ball down seven points and if he had somebody like saquon like Sterling Shepard maybe they couldn't move just he needed and so by the end of the Game Brady's playing with a mix of James White and Sony Michelle settlement but then you're also playing with Jacoby Myers Gunnar oast source ah and Brady I mean they moved the ball after the half they right out of the half they went on a sixteen play drive overtook over nine minutes and then there was only within a couple of minutes and Brady will upgrade and whatever and it got to the point where Brady wasn't making plays the giants were making plays I know defensively and I'm like is this is the Patriots a hard look like that wall was spent harmon out of bounds do the twenty scorn it'll be over by the end of the first quarter it was like a really wonky star the wind and lake couple of guys are hurting the patient Scott obviously John's a lot of injuries themselves and it's like okay this arm and he said only when I really feel it but I'm keeping the door open when you see a game like this where a lot of the weapons go out you cut Ben Watson this week maybe you think about trying to golden gets an early part of the game and now I'm thinking to myself like okay this defense giant Stevens actually came to play there they showed up the Stevens has been much guys like that saquon he was love talking talking lovingly about saquon early in the week saying you know there's there's really nothing wrong with him as a running back and you know they're glad that he cody latimer down or dairy slayton down you really need somebody like saquon somebody to carry the ball touch the ball twenty five times it was a shame that he couldn't get back from the ankle injury by the time this game kicked off but again they had the ball with eight minutes just over eight minutes to go in the fourth quarter Jones gets blitzed from on Harman dumps it down to Hillerman and you know the play of the game that you heard at the beginning of this podcast strip sacked by Jamie Collins who's having a great year and they're not playing and with a defense like the Patriots have where there's no shining star but everybody contributes for secondary can shut teams down can shut it's an eventually scored on Tom Brady. CD Ron which is what you get QB sneak from Tom Brady this was the first game interestingly enough that Tom Brady lying and only give them a some kind of safety I in my head I'm like okay well you can cancel out either sleep Golden Tate because Stefan Gilmore the army ended up with a pretty good game overall. Tom Brady not to go to the end of the game but he yeah I mean right after the markets golden fumble return bell check complete over ten yards so early on to with the divas plane that gray and they're doing these like Ding Dong little screens with Jones taking shots down field and I'm like you're you're you're the Patriots over like it was like five games or whatever it was including the playoffs so like you know it's a really really bad game from someone who felt like you had to do more and he wasn't running the ball he wasn't scrambling reported thrown his direction so confident Jones I mean you see it on a lot of the way too confident for a rookie but you can see that he wanted he wants to take chances and that was evident in a lot of the uh-huh slow ski I don't really know how to pronounce his name from Bemidji State Yeah who played like about fifty snaps and and Ryan is tight end I mean they were talking earlier in the working like it's just not GonNa work this guy it was Gimme back when like Kevin Gilbride was almonds according to and they would do like the third and nine Eli draw plays and just like stop pounding this is not gonNa work the Patriots being really really good like there's a really good defense they're really good team events their coach well like the giants office lines not the giants were out were without their best offensive weapons literally that's all you have a larger penny and they're also use him short anyway over Hilaman I mean that shows you the difference of saquon Barkley versus whoever because saving little basset outside he will make a play he's well I mean you both know that you know they're not helmet are penny are not going to make the plays that sake on what he or even to an extent having winged almond is a little bit more of an upgrade mismatch diamorphine have saquon Barkley in can I the the they're running the ball with hillman up the gut so many times in a row and it's like I wanted to scream that it's not on safety of lying because like I said before Stefan Gilmore in the second half had a pig on a drive the giants were moving the ball it was a total of mental killer and yeah if he had to save money if you had Evan Ingram who's Lynn we'll Hernandez is becoming a pretty good left guard and obviously it's a much better unit that being said the last week vikings the vikings had their way with them so there they are the Patriots finished the game with thirty nine minutes of time of possession I mean even gassed I mean the Patriots offense move the ball well but they also didn't finish sure but the they had the easy touchdowns bolden Brady had two rushing touchdowns himself I feel a lot of passes in the second half of the game I'm not sure I'm GonNa you probably have the stats over those two guys who played today so that yeah that was that really is a shame that saquon didn't get to play bell check beltway has these guys that he really enjoys read had no chance afterward you know the defenses gas and then you just keep going down and by the time that the the final defense touchdown came John's can move the ball and then the patriots come right offensive plays the Patriots adverse events I tell you that the Patriots ended the game this is kind of like how the colts beat the chiefs except I would call Daniel Jones Patrick mahomes shares point the best receiver and they're running back who may be the best friend and back in the league and you're throwing a rookie quarterback into foxborough again like reiterating it's it's just not a recipe Adrian Defense Through six games have a sixteen turnovers sixteen takeaways fourteen interceptions no other team in the League has more than seven so that equine that force that was forcing Gallon Jones to make these tight window throws and three interceptions in this game Eli had three interceptions in I think his career verse it's double they have a plus one forty two point differential they get the jets next week on Monday night football so we think that maybe they can go into is a linebacker in the defensive backfield mess it's just it's a it's a really tough here and they say they somehow figure out how to stop or slow down the pages for a bit but once you got the like the back down to make it a three score game and over it's exactly what it felt like in the second half is it was the giants defense was just gas they're doing everything they possibly could with all bunch of backups missing can have I felt there were so many receptions by the Patriots players they were they were just like no guys near them like no no one was being covered like these backup slack is coming in tight ends long and you're not moving the ball because then when the offenses trying to score points it's just like around the middle around the middle and then some kind of like weak third down little with a by somewhere in there you know people are you know they were talking about earlier before the game can we compare this defense to the bears the week eight at seven Oh but then the patriots face a pretty pretty gauntlet Browns Ravens Eagles Cowboys Texans chiefs you ball games where the Patriots and foxborough again. I don't know what we should've expected with the giants coming in here the Patriots Defense and maybe this is a good transition to what we expect from both of these teams going forward the of eighty five or the Ravens of two thousand we're looking at the the early season competition and by the end of this game there competition has a record of seven and twenty two by my count you it's a recipe for disaster you know you're you're getting into this game but that's why it stinks so much they were one score when they were tied at one point they were obviously one score way going into the fourth quarter like they actually could have won this game and it just it's a classic pagers again then there's like bleeding you out slowly into you know what's going to happen they're going to just control the clock eventually those are on the field and score and picked up by Kyle van Noy after a scrum runs it in and from there they really didn't have a chance yeah the the offensive line a lot of people are saying on social media I was reading to this offense lines alive make to go back to the recapping here in the beginning of the game when they stopped them there was like a third down fourth down stop and then you know like guys who no one across the country knows their names in there just catching balls there's no defender within seven yards in a circle of them and I'm like well that's going to happen when you're on the field fast and I think that suits them well going into these games against also young quarterbacks like Sam darnold Baker Mayfield Lamar Jackson Carson and Overs tell a different story I think that the fact that they are blowing teams that they should blow out I mean it doesn't look pretty but at the end of the day they won by three scores when they weren't playing you know how are you supposed to judge them when they're beating up Luke Falk and Ryan Fitzpatrick Annual Jones on the road at home on a short week I I don't know I think I think the APU history to Shawn Watson and Patrick Mahomes are all young quarterbacks schemed going against the defense scheme by Bill Belichick who should probably you know ruin their days and Jalapeno was injured and the rights online was a mess and obviously now with the trade trading way Vernon getting in the Kevin Zeiler and then having remers player I tackle asked behind on his scrimmage to a running back and it's not going anywhere and like they were not taking shots like I said before Jones incomplete passes that were longer than ten yards a few questions about well I I'll I'll go with their schedule I know you said like you call it a gauntlet with Browns Ravens Eagles cowboys question is can they go undefeated because people want crown this team as a all-time great defense and the offense is not picking it up they have a lot of injuries on the offensive out of the ball I'm not sure if the offensive line situation is as solid as they prefer the tight end situation the same way the running game today was not so Michelle's best really only competing with the chiefs for the top seed see maybe the bills but you don't expect the bills to you know bright anymore than a wildcard threat there you know the didn't really establish the run you know that's what that's what you WanNa see out of the Patriots Y- you're expecting great things you're expecting maybe undefeated whatever but I think they're a good squad I think goes where the EAGLES HOUSTON I don't trust Houston it ever to ever beat the Patriots in like in the history of mankind that'll never John's but during the game I wasn't like Oh man he's going to pick us apart I lost that feeling about time right that he's going to action I shouldn't say he'll he could win Aaron I'd want it to just provide everyone but yeah it's a lot better than it was last year last year your own was we'll hernandez his rookie year and solar and him didn't have the chemistry on the left side of the line you know kind of shaking his head rubbing his eyes on the sideline the Patriots still had four minutes left in the half and they embark on probably I mean obviously they're probably drive of the game to greater eleven play drive took four minutes crack a little bit and I expect the same from this patriots defense because it's one of the best even though you've seen in recent memory and that goes back to what you're saying about not having the safety blogging all towards come back down to earth they're not as good as we all they're going to be them between if you WANNA say they'll split between the NFC east teams are better NFC teams than Eagles in Dallas. I mean Dallas lately has looked you're playing the redskins you know or the giants at this point but don't put yourself I know I know I'm being very self deprecating but the but I still think they're gonna come out happened then the the the one game they want to see them versus the chiefs that'll be interesting game but I mean yeah it is it's a goal and in terms of you're not playing Luke Falk and not playing the dolphins got yards on the ground catch a bunch of passes so like they don't need Brady to be this amazing Superhero quarterback they have a great ground game they have a great defense and that's enough and he could be an elite gay manager and figure out how to beat these teams because they're just that much smarter that they're that much more well prepared than the thirty one other teams in this league because right now Tom Brady I mean he had statistically was okay game like thirty one to forty one three thirty four he did have the pick and then it looks good at the end one if you don't want to see Tom Brady this age the bad offensive line him scrambling around because then that's going to change everything about this team the one thing they need to do is to run the ball consistently school to come play you that's that's really what it is and it just so weird that this patriots team is they're just so they adapt to what they have to like to see uh-huh yeah thirty one completions threw for over three yards for the giants seven first downs forty promos forty minutes of time of possession I mean this is how you defense and that to me is like it's not just about his more because it evens elite or whatever is there is a better term than elite because they're by themselves right now and then you have you know you have four five running backs who could see me just come in and season or something close to it and so that's why it's going to be interesting because they really I mean I don't know how the NFL schedule God's did this they split into pretty much like you know Sam Houston Talk I can't see them losing more than two games of that they would lose to maybe one at worst well it's it's not it's not a problem at the Patriots lose one or two games I mean it'd be this it could be what is right now at forty two he's going to be limited physically because of his age and will end but that's okay there one you mentioned is like the islands in state for six straight weeks and then you're going right into the Auburn game if you're to compare it to Alabama yeah your schedules cupcakes and you they the school has the game they can they're only twenty they only converted twenty percent of their third down plays which is your again that's a really bad thing to do in foxborough verse a team I think it's amazing we're calling future hall of Famer Forty Two year old likely all pro Tom Brady a game may not not just a game he is the elite game he no matter how good the evens might be playing as of late so yeah I mean their schedule upcoming Arizona's going to be tougher than people realize offense could be at its peak you only got a half of that against the buck and that was not even their best half no totally I mean you could see for my mood I'm not a I'm not here crying about games but I don't fear him like I maybe used to or someone like Pat Mahomes who's GonNa close his eyes and slowing the ball sixty yards like Tommy will not do that anymore is I think I love the idea of having a mobile quarterback running around with the default like the there's not a lockdown defense and James betcha revenge game exactly yeah and then Detroit into at least get get these running backs to the cash out of the backfield you you can't do that if you have a Marshall newhouse playing left tackle and eating the tight end accidents chiefs obviously then it gets really easy a singular commercial just the bars keep going up but in reality how many games are those things are lose because I'm working on my Cleveland Master going to be Cleveland who knows about that game like a lot of these are coin flip Chicago should read them Green Bay should be than Philadelphia should read them then you have Miami and in Washington back-to-back hopefully those are wins and then right now we're giants fans collectively just like you're not really seeing the what it's supposed to be so that's why it's okay but it's still frustrating to lose games in the manner they did some glaring negatives they'll like Dale Jones the best thing about him so far this year can comparisons ally was his ability to convert on third down this this like this so that I didn't love I mean the sloppiness discontinued I said before the Vikings game and like in downs problem with fumbling snaps to and now game when you have you know three or four guys fighting Thanos and that's what the giants team is right now right now when Ingram was back in Sagaing comes back in chapter comes back in contend this season so like you know it's not gonNA look great wins and loss wise but right now the giants are like to use a analogy that with the avengers and the end yeah the giants they're not really playing for the postseason Shurmur is Kinda not he's not really coaching for his job necessarily so now moving the ball but the fact that Lorenzo Carter got to Brady on occasion Marcus golden there's a lot to work with their jackrabbit gotTa Pick Brady Kinda through to them Donovan Purgatory Right now in a win tonight Thursday night would have really turned the season around turn the feelings around sure no it's sorely like numbers and stats he I think he knows he's calling the right place he knows to do him ballot check together going to have to do to win game that's why isn't it to be a superhero he like tonight where you're sloppy and if you don't take penalties like what golden did out of bounds and you don't throw the ball into tight windows and three turnovers don't fumble ball lost her I I went in pretty indifferent going okay we'll just let's just take some pases from this game there were some positives for the best team that NFL there's don't block just blocked punts just block on punts and then you know this game could have been different that is very frustrating I rather almost just get smoked and was forty five thing and not even be involved I think the I think this is a really encouraging performance from the giants you saw the defense step up on occasion they couldn't stop the Patriots in the Second Half Ah game manager he's he's the he's the he's the branch manager he's he's as good as a constant and I said I'm not shocked at there's going to be I mean he look he just he amick in the passing game 'cause Jones forcing if it was the wind or just because that was the only thing the Patriots were giving him on defense was to just dump the ball if you're running back and let them make a play which is you had a couple of scrambles but none that

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Phinsider Radio: Dolphins run away with 22-12 victory over Patriots

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Phinsider Radio: Dolphins run away with 22-12 victory over Patriots

"Where the miami dolphins are completely depleted on the offensive side of the ball. It was one if by sea and to buy land as the miami dolphins and third the day averaging three point sixty paresh gassing the doing the patriots for six yards a carry two hundred and fifty yards on the ground on sunday. Josh when we look newark crystal ball on thursday for pre show man. I don't think this is what we were expecting. We were and i. I can't wait to dive into it. I mean i'm looking here. Forty two total carries about the entire offense two hundred and fifty yard rushing touchdowns. I mean we did not see this coming but They found a way to do it. And you know we all what we wanted. The dolphins are in the thick of things. They're not in five two games away from making the postseason and we knocked new england patriots. Out of the postseason. We'll what a wonderful victory monday it is. I'm feeling as good as i felt in a long long time at the dolphin fan first time the patriots will not be in the playoffs since the year. Two thousand eight. And i mean josh. So cliche ed you know i can certainly pick up on the different genera coaches sayings but it was really a tale to half Here for the dolphins they entered the halftime trailing six to a tunnel completed a pretty nice fourth and eight to patrick laird to set up adjacent sanders. Field goal But he had his second in as many weeks which was Legitimate concern because the dolphins were down six nothing at halftime. But it seemed like they were out the new england patriots in every aspect of the game. It's did and i know we'll talk about other. Maybe we'll talk about it right now but you know to a time when the interception at the time of interception at the goal line i mean that was one of those plays where i think we all saw them kind of break goping in i think to adjust realize it was a little too late forced a bad throw while getting hit turn the ball ethical on that cannot happen but you know up until that point. The dolphins were having their way they were moving the ball efficiently down field But again i mean we sit here and we praise to. I mean me more than others to be completely honest but that was a terrible. Throw in you know. It was a terrible decision at one. That could have caused the dolphins but it didn't and again. It's just a tale to two halves and it makes you wonder why they come out so sluggish. It's almost like the first after And then in that second half you know. They're doing what they do they. They're coaching these guys up. They're coming out with adjustments as we see week after week it's offense defense special teams their own out there in the second half and they're putting these ball games away and again you mentioned it it. It's gonna be so awesome to sit here and watch january play football without having to see bill bell check new england patriots. I mean we waited for this a long time Hat tip to them for everything they've accomplished but it is going to be so nice to not have to watch them in the postseason shutout to travis. Wingfield works for the miami dolphins. He shared a quote. That kyle van noy gave to over. Breer offer them on monday morning quarterback and we're kind of played a game of telephone here but but it's written down so i'm not going to mess anything too much. I mean i'm going to hope. Calvin oi said i think That drive at the end of the game shows. We can win every single wave and said some games. We've been rundown other games. We run through one through the air and some games. Were doing both. But this game was back and forth smash mouth football who's gonna break and they ended up breaking before we did. We knew we weren't going to break. And they just broke. And that really sums up that rushing attack at and to kinda bring it back to that first. Half there josh. i mean. The dolphins were facing the dolphins defense. In a sense you think about suffice gilmore. Who ended up leaving with a pretty rough looking leg injury But in the first half. They're the dolphins were forced to be perfect right. They weren't getting any sort of big breaks. I mean they were running the ball but it was four five. Maybe even six hundred carey and the patriots were just waiting for a mistake right and they got the drive. I mean it was marching team down the field on ninety five yard drive before the interception happened. It's just you have to take so many opportunities eventually mistakes and a happened. There's another drive. That half where where i ended up being like third and twenty four before the dolphins got out the field. I mean that. That's what the dolphins have found. Success in offensively. This year is just making teams have to march all the way down the field and you have to complete execute fifteen strong players. That's fifteen chances. We have to force a turnover and we saw that there on that drive from the patriots where they had interception early and i got to save that entire first half. I was sitting there panicking. Because i thought i would be able to watch any sort of football suffer a week just because it seemed like everything was going to patriots way the penalties. I'm not going to sit here and say the penalty. Decide the game but it was seventy two every single penalty. That seem like it was going against the dolphins are. They couldn't find the end. They're leaving points on the board via the interception and the field goal and it was just a very very frustrating. Half an hour football. Wasn't i think this might be a thing that you know. Maybe it's just us as fans go into these things you know. You have unreal expectations. Now we all. If you take a step back we all realize this is a a rivalry. These are going to be those down to the wire gritty games. And you know it. Was that the dolphins you mentioned it. S cliches Bend don't break. That's exactly what this fence did. And at times you know sony. Michelle looked like he was bus. Awesome big runs and it was going to be that same story that we saw earlier in the year but the doll was just buckle down force them to settle for feels for the entire day. And you know that was the difference here. But i just can't continue to praise just how differently. This team looks after they go into the half adjustments and You mentioned that colvin waco. That's just an again a testament whether it's the offense defense special teams. Whoever it is it's called upon whether it's a player whether it's a unit you know their staff and they're doing together and i think that's just again what we have not seen from dolphins team. It's so many years it's just. They're playing complementary football and one of these units you know has so party the other ones picking them up. This was an ugly game. You know this wasn't as pretty as many of us believe to an out there. One hundred forty five yards. You know he had that one interception but he also had two rushing touchdowns to no. He was a quarterback to snap that. Bill checks streak that you know. We kept hearing the nine consecutive rookie. So you know. His numbers are not the greatest but he went out there and he executed offense pretty damn good and again it was enough. I mean i. I just cannot wait to dive into the coaching tape. And and that's again. What sucks about this. We're sitting here. We're gonna break down a little bit. The offense defense until we get out there and we really see you know how this offensive line look with michael deeper in the lineup. I mean again. It's just next man. Up in there executing all three phases. The miami dolphins offense certainly held together with a paper clips and bubblegum today. But i mean the facts that the fact that you can do that and still be new. England certainly speaks volumes. And we shame on us josh because coming to this game when we did our three keys Capri to do it. Is it going to be gander washington. We did not talk much about saban. I mean i remember reading that. He was wearing red. No contact jersey up until thursday. Even i might have only been wednesday thirty days. And i just kind of put them in the back of my head is someone who i didn't think was going to have that much of an opportunity to play but i mean what a performance twenty three carries for one hundred and twenty two yards. I mean you do see that. He is an undrafted rookie. At i mean. I saw people getting frustrated on twitter There was one pass block where he actively mode over and two hundred of being sacked a couple receptions he had where he kinda just fell over. Excuse me i mean. He only caught one of his Three targets but i remember it was to the outside he. It was like a second intent and he ended up falling for he did get. You know six. Jared something like that but i mean it just kinda goes to show that they're still missing those guys that can turn those Consistently tara those big plays. I mean saying had a bad day by any means you know like i said five point three yards per carry. He had a long a thirty one. And this run game. Really set the tone but i mean you see that ceiling but you see that. There's still room for growth with this young team with these young players. Absolutely and i mean i think we all have to take a step back and realize that again. These are young players salvin akhmed. I think he's twenty one years old. So i mean again as a young guy. That's not even fully reached potential. His one hundred and twenty two rushing yards are the most in franchise history by an undrafted player in his rookie. Season eighth most by any dolphins rookie. So again you need to see more of this unit. I absolutely the dolphins are going to address the running back room. But i mean we saw it all. Come together this this week and you know it has to be a testament that offensive line. Those guys up front when kinley went out of the game. He's our you know. We love salman killing but it looks like michael jumped right in there and you saw him pulling saw making some plays and it didn't look like the offensive line missed a beat. So is a testament to those guys front. And then against thousand nok med. Making the most of his opportunity as you mentioned it and our preview pop has didn't even know if he was getting ready to go and married. I mean this is a guy that we continue to save. Podcast s after podcast after podcasts. You know give him more carries and you saw this week. Eighty six yards on twelve carries. Seven point two yards per carry and we said on previous show. If you bring mabry here in. He helped his team carry this. Get us into the post season on these last three games that fourth or fifth round. Pick whatever it ends up being. You know that that's worth it to me so We need to step up to continue to do this. It excites me because what happens when the the they come out of the gate you know first quarter and the run games work in the passing teams working. What happens when everything is coming together for. This offense know we might not see that this year we might see it next year but It it just gets you excited for the future of the miami dolphins because on a daylight on a day like this when they didn't know who's even going to be the running back you know they went out there and they're rushed for for two hundred forty yards against new england patriots eliminated from the playoffs. I mean what more could you possibly ask for map create he. He's been two weeks on the cova this there and it was. It was kind of impressive to see how operated in josh. You know you look at every play. I you post them on the internet as well Via twitter follow you at how you put it all out there for everyone so so i mean you are the robin hood. We all need. But what did you. What really started about redesigned play. Because i mean he kind of someone walking the aisles of grocery store where you know something on the left side that he really needed. Then there'd be a bag of chips on the right side he wanted. He was really to process though different all he wanted to run in. He didn't have to just kind of pick a hole in go. He seemed to really be dissecting. That defensive front. I mean. I don't know how i can even explain it better than you don't even need all twenty two or or to watch the tape. I mean that's perfectly you know with. The play was going right and he saw a little bit of daylight left. He was making plays and again. We all know how fast he is. We all kept hearing. He's the fastest player in the nfl. Last year mean wanted to see what you could do with the ball on his hands and we saw there were times when the holes were there and there were other times when he was you know using his pure speed to make players missing again. Myles gaskin salve akhmed and matt brady heading into the postseason. I mean we we could do a lot worse so I liked what we saw out brita. We continue to pound the table. Give him more touches I think we're gonna be here that even louder this week. After that performance we saw going into the game. It seemed like devante. Parker education grant all had a shot to play and and it seems like i think it was cameron wolfe. Espn if you're not found him at this point you're certainly missed. Now he does a great job For the worldwide leader over there and he said that if it was a game like that could decide. The fate of the miami. Dolphins determined the playoffs. I parker might have been able to play. I a couple of those guys. He didn't say specifics. Onset of parker potentially could play the dolphins side. Keep it safe and keep those. The is on the bench. And i mean bet says just more about tug of loa and this offense to do enough to plot that victory despite you know the the rookie hurdles. But let's take a quick break and we'll jump into the defensive senate ball on the other side support for this podcast comes from. Cdw technologies at cdw g. 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But i'm going to say no. I think that that jalen hurts. Performance was too much fun But i'm never going to be doubt this dolphins fan base. So we're not surprise me somehow in the last twenty. Thirty hours of that Voting that somehow to front. It's just kind of house. Fan base operates. It really is now talked about the offense. Let's jump into the defense because again this was just an overall good performance. We saw those big meaty guys up from. We saw christian wilkins making plays. We saw very davis zacks. Your those guys up front help and stop the run game. We saw saving howard forcing a fumble there again. Twenty games now with a turnover from this dolphins defense. What did you see. what did you like and you. What can you project from this team afford as we get into these last two must win games for the dolphins exhibiting howard is so special. I mean just kind of you. You instantly go to the fourth bubble which was an awesome play on the dolphins were down. I dined to seven. I believe at the time. But they forced the fumble. I think they really meant the score was caused by politics. I should have wrote down win. What the actual score was for that one But then there was the potential fumble return for a touchdown that was also exhibit howard and then there was a play early in the game. Where calvin almost got his big pause interception. You know who intercepts that ball. If calvin noise not they're saving howard. I just in so impress how this happens. All over the place all the time he's everywhere and we can't say enough. This guy deserves to be defensive player of the year just like we all think that bryan floors deserves me coach. You just every week he's even howard's going out there. Whichever receivers lining up across from is completely taken him out of the game and then he's making plays well. It's an interception whether like you said an amazing play by brandon. Jones almost stayed in bounds. I think christian. Wilkins touched the ball. Stupid rule but i think x. Took that one to the house and then know knocking at ball out. But you're right that I think. Calvin knowing definitely wants interception back i mean i think he would have loved to have that himself but I think examine howard might have even been better position. A wide receiver was on the tail. End of that. You know the thing that stood out to me. That was incredibly excited about There is a play where i think it was the first drive of the game. I mean i know christian. Wilkins said too big stops early But there's the patriots scrap. Try to screen pass on. I want to say was thirty nine and something and a hyper pizzas guy on the line. And then the way he just ran with the linemen and blew up. The screen is something. I haven't seen the miami dolphins do in such a long time Before the brian or for his era. I mean it was usually. They're going to catch the screen. They're going to get six seven and by by. Golly the dolphins are going to give up that their conversion so it's worth pointing that out in the first half. The dolphins really couldn't get to cam newton to too much. I know the rams last week got to ten times. I think he was sacked. Four times On the day but in that first half they. They really couldn't do that but they did. Enough to really keep the patriots honest right. They had to go down the field and once they were in the red zone they were forced to make plays and the dolphins defense just again showing that they had that talent especially in the secondary to keep passing attacks out of the end zone. Yeah and i mean. That's just the way. Brian floors defenses bilton again. It's just gets me so excited about the future. Because once they add in some insist all season bringing some more playmakers in the draft. I mean both sides football It's going to be very very fun to see. We gotta talk about the linebackers. Calvin roy baker all over the field and andrew van ginkel and i mean this guy is slowly getting better each and every week and It's it's just awesome. See the way these guys continuously get better. I will point out the one play. That really stands out in my mind. Dolphins at all learners up on on. Bobby came back deep. And i think you know it ended up. Turn into this huge play. Because it looks like bobby could just reacted sooner. Maybe the tackle short of the first down but that was the only play that really stands out in my mind. Besides some those sony. Michelle runs that you know. The dolphins really got beat because overall i mean they were out there. They were dominant up front. They were dominant in the secondary and they did enough to confuse the heck out of cam and we went into this game knowing if you could stop. The run force came to try to throw the football good things become and that's exactly what they did and You know it's. It's gonna be exciting that we go out there and tack marcus mariota or david carr wherever the quarterback. Is that big saturday. Night game against the las vegas raiders. That if the dolphins win you know then they go up to buffalo and we don't know what the bills are going be doing in that. Last game They could be starters and you know dolphins need these. Two wins to ultimately make the playoffs. Drone baker had a sack. Zak dealer had a sack and our boy emmanuel ogbah ahead aspect to seal the game Late josh you mentioned that linebacker group You gotta give them a credit for just doing enough right. Because i think that is is probably the unit and the defense still that they could probably use an upgrade right Though the whether you want to call it linebacker unit the outside linebackers whatever it may be. We know vanoy coming off at to defensive player of the week performance. Two weeks ago They really did enough against the running game. You see here. Sony michelle ten carries for seventy four yards. I knew in kind of got his for nine carries thirty eight yards The pats averaged five point three yards on the game. But i mean you look at the long for michelle would seventeen again. You know the thing that really stands out. What do you see guys like saving howard and seeing like brandon jones's whenever they're bringing a guy to get ground there punching at that ball bragging of free they're saying hey if you're going to again i i keep feeling burke record talking with the defense but if you're gonna come down to score a touchdown you're going to have to be absolutely perfect your to hold onto every single pass you're going to have to get to the down and then you're gonna have to give of course past the first down marker and you know cam newton. It's nice when you can get them into a third down because cam. Newton doesn't really threaten to too much with his arm i. He had ten incompletions on the day. Seventeen for twenty seven and you know an average seven point seven you know or the ball dp. I think he missed jakobi. Meyers deepen the end zone. Once i mean the defense just very clean job of keeping offenses honest overall. I want to run through a few notes here. I mean again. I think the defense deserves most of the credit for this performance today to certainly enough that running game awesome. That's something we haven't expected in such a long time josh. It's definitely worth bringing up. I mean salman kinley fitbit's a little. It's pretty frustrating injury for the dolphins team. That just can't seem to shake that bug this entire season. It isn't it it's good. They brought it up. Because i just saw. Barry jackson reported that there was no structural damage and lease need per dolphin source to be determined for sunday with the and flowers which i think he means saturday. But it'll be determined whether or not You know those guys will be ready. For saturday's match against the raiders. That's a huge loss. But again i think michael deeter stepped up big again to go back and jump into the coach's film but it looked like that offensive line. You know obviously two hundred forty yards on the ground looked much improved than you know what we come expect him to. Yeah i had to say. I was incredibly impressed with deers performance. I really thought Defensive items going to start to crumble a little bit with kindling out in there But i mean that's what happens. Have a solid running game. He keeps the defense honest or not really allowed to backfield Blend bowden another very strong performance. He caught six of the seven targets. He seemed like he was you know. Despite six of his seven touches being a the reset receiving brighty. It seemed like he was an extension of the running game having kind of going across the field for every snap. And you know. There's even a i i play where they did a little reverse with him going back and forth where he switched and swerve all the way down the field any only got ten yards. But this guy i love to see a nectar in saskatoon because it seemed like he was running all day long despite only having a love. You see here. Forty six yards. We just see him getting more involved every week in the offense i do have to note. We got here from smyth. Cut five or five targets for forty yards. Stepped up big and mike. He's absence and pro. Football focus. ryan smith was says durham. Smyth was the highest grade player on the team in their week. Fifteen victory over new england and in eighty eight point two overall which was a career high. And again it's five receptions for forty yards and his four first downs so a derm smy stepped up big and we didn't talk about that for special teams play which i mean every week. Was it last week. Where they had the same thing where they didn't report eligible and ended up for biting us in our butts. So not haack. I mean. He has a frigging armament. That was a heck of a play by movers. Your hell but it just sucks it was all for naught but again this team went went out there and they put it on the line and pay dividends against the new england patriots. You know it's it's frustrating. Because i i every play every specialty display i. I don't think there'd be any consequences. They report is eligible on every single punt just to get into that habit because for the second week in a row as you mentioned. That's the issue you guys not reporting eligible and that's really taking. The sale are the wind out of the sale that all special teams unit when they need that little jolt. That's really the the missing piece. I think it's also worth noting malcolm. Perry had a very cool run on third down where he kind of stepped in front of two and took the snap shimmied up the middle and grabbed two yards to convert to a i jazz overall. I mean this is all we can expect it. We're going into next week. We got the oakland raiders. And we just wanted this game to be worth something right. The dolphins is the second year of the rebuild. I've been we've been both saying. Take a little step back and enjoy this ride. Because the fact dolphins the second season underpriced for the first year with a rookie quarterback to have a winning record. I mean that in itself is such an accomplishment to you know even the page of the declares. I mean obviously the playoffs. And we're going to ask the playoffs but we gotta be pretty happy with everything that's happened far. We do. And i mean it's not really do exact paul so the fan base by just going based off twitter. But i mean we all see. There's just so much bickering and it's just wonder. When did we become you know This franchise that just expects all this stuff. I mean is going out there. He's he's winning games. he's playing very good football. And you just continue to hear the comparisons adjust in. Herbert in jalen hurts and you know maybe something. We just need to become accustomed to may. We need to realize now that you know. We have a potential superstar quarterback. He's going to be compared to those guys in his class in that trickles onto this team being apparently some of those nfl lee. And it's just awesome to see in a year like we continue to say appetizer order. Whatever word you want to use for like you said year to if you're sitting here looking at the playmakers upset because they don't have this wide receiver this running back this or that. They have the money. They had the draft picks next year. It is going to be something special being built here. Miami and You know oh just as a fan base again. Take a step back enjoy. Enjoy these last two weeks. And let's hope in january and we're getting ready to play one of the biggest games in franchise history because what brian flores is building and what this team's doing it again. It's it's special. No it's certainly one of the biggest games in the last twenty years. That's for sure. I mean that. Is you run. The team's different Greg rosenthal who works for nfl media. He said brian flores the chosen kind joking around there. i've always liked rosenthal input at by the chosen one. Just kind of the disciple. Who who who gets it done and it surely seems like. That's what the dolphins are turning into a what this wet i mean. Especially if the Dolphins make the playoffs at this pace. The steelers using a second game. I mean andy reid at fifteen and one is certainly accounted for the coach of year. But i think brian floors has to be up there. I think there been Two or three fifteen coaches who have not won it i mean brand florida's mandate he had some questionable. I do have to say questionable challenge calls. Yesterday he will over to on the day The first one. I thought he had a little bit of a shot at but then the reception late in the second half they were where he jakobi meyers kind of boxing. Which wasn't the case that that was about it. I mean that's the biggest. Gripe we have For brian floors after fifteen weeks was his one performance with a challenge by saudi dairy. So people tweeting about attorney game. And i was thinking to myself i i mean yes. That's probably been his biggest achilles heel but had you ever remember the time where it came back to bite us where we're like damn i really wish you know. He didn't have that challenge early on in the game. I feel like he uses the timeouts and challenge as wisely. And i don't know like you said. I mean we're sitting here. We're still waiting for zach thomas to get into the hall of fame. I mean we don't know. I can't sit here and say that it's the same type of voting but again this is all just kind of a popularity contest. So i don't know what's gonna happen bryant floors but i think you know entire my dolphins fan base believes. He's the guy and i bet if you ask some of the players around the us gosling these other teams. They would say the same thing. Because what brian flores again is doing in miami and just you know some of the things. He's done as the leader of this team throughout the year. Whether it's the coaching changes are just going out there. Speaking out on different things. I mean this guy embodies what. The miami dolphins isn't continued to see you know this is a family and i'm ready to run through wall prime flourish coach of the year. Exuding how it should be defensive player of the year. You're stuck onto you. Want to get that rookie of the year. Josh i think the last thing certainly worth noting here is the texans did it again. They fumbled away game at the last second against the colts. Obviously that might have hoped a playoff spot. Hey but on the flip side. I mean the the six overall pick in the two thousand twenty one. Nfl draft is looking very nice right now. Yeah you always hear. They're playing chess while they're playing checkers. But i i don't know at what point chris greer in them solve this the texans plummeting the way they did but to to have the draft The last two years. I mean it's frigging awesome and not many franchises can say they have that. And that's just a testament to what the dolphins are building here. I just we got two weeks. Left everyone out there enjoy it. It enjoy enjoy at the miami dolphins or nine and five. Were rolling the future is certainly looking very very bright. It's such it's such an important time it up enjoy it. I mean the football season. 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Pats Free Agency: So good Bedard is borderline giddy

Greg Bedard Patriots Podcast with Nick Cattles

44:48 min | 4 months ago

Pats Free Agency: So good Bedard is borderline giddy

"This is the Greg Bedard Patriots podcast with Nick cabins. Before we get started Greg. I have to apologize to people watching the video version of this podcast. Yes. It looks like I'm being called up to the heavens. There's an issue with my lighting. We'll figure it out. Let's get to suck us let's get to the content. Okay, so we did an emergency podcast on Monday night because everything was happening jonnu Smith, Jalen Mills, you know, what happened on Monday by now and since then a lot has happened. Let's start with this morning the news of Patrick Chung's retirement your thoughts Greg. Yes, certainly a great Patriot. I would certainly make the case that he was a better free agent signing than he was a draft pick by Bill Belichick that he was much better in his second go around and look Belichick is even talked about it. He he misused Chung the first time around they figured out what he was really good at minimized his weaknesses, which was basically like he could not play in space birth. His life like he just he just couldn't so you needed to get him close to the line or on a tight end really close and he was good to go and he was really tough help the team win 3 Super Bowls did, you know did whatever Belichick wanted as far as this contract a contract and stuff like that? So Patriot through and through his his retirement explains a little bit more about Jack Mills being here. I think they're very similar, you know, including that they're coming from the Eagles before coming back to the Patriots. But you know sort of a feisty under six is Nick is Ian Nichols corner is the safety. What can you do if you cover tight ends, he's tough. He likes to Yap a lot Chung like the Apple odd, but they're very very similar. I can see Belichick watching Jalen Mills on film as being like, hey reminds me of Patrick Chung and you know trying retires which isn't exactly good for the salary cap for the page. It gives them a little bit of a a hit this year, but look no question. Great Patriot. Not a huge loss considering where he was in his career took last year off the past couple of years has been harder and harder to for him to reach the Finish Line with the injuries. He's always been an undersized guy at a club position buddies displayed incredible toughness good time for him to go in terms of where the Patriots are. I don't think they're going to miss him very much, but look a lot of institutional knowledge there that's always tough to see but I have a feeling he won't be he'll be around a lot. You know, I'll put it that way. Yeah what I look at this the cap stuff the finance is it depends on if they cut him immediately or he retires immediately they file it or if they wait until June 1st, if they do it immediately, then it hurts the cap this year if they wait until after I believe it pushes it into next year and you might say to yourself you might as well just take the hit right now when you have the space and you know to free up a little bit more the books next season, so we'll see how long Works out on the field. Listen, you've got Mills. You've got Duggar you've got Phillips. I'm fine with that and it makes a lot more sense. Like you said why they signed Mills we talked about this on Monday night, the signs. Listen, I thought that they overpaid for a Galore. I still feel that way. But when you look at the signings from the top on down the only one that didn't make a whole bunch of sense to me was Mills. Well now it does it makes more sense. I don't have to be in love with the signing. I still have questions about him. But the move itself makes sense. You also safety. You lost a guy that might be able to cover tight ends versatile chess piece a little bit and again that kind of personality that you mentioned. So the Mills signing makes a hell of a lot more sense. Now, that chunk is out the door than it did on Monday another big thing that happened since our last podcast was Greg. Maybe we were just stupid. Maybe we were naive we thought jonnu Smith was going to be the number one tight end and then the Patriots would move on and free home. See, that's not how it worked out as we know by now Hunter Henry signs and it's funny somebody tweeted at me this week at Nick's sea radio. If you want to follow me again at Nick's sea radio someone tweeted at me that they were listening to our podcast on Tuesday morning and at the precise moment we were talking about jonnu Smith vs Hunter Henry and you had said, you know, the more I think about it. It's pretty tough to pick one guy, you know, either way you're going to work out. It's going to be a good signing pretty much. I'm paraphrasing at that moment. The person that was listening on Twitter that Hunter Henry had signed with the Patriots and he said I just laughed because it's precisely what Greg had said. It doesn't really matter if it was Smith or Henry, you know, a lot of similarities now the page get both Yeah, that's that's exciting and unexpected. And also, you know Nick one thought I had about this and and I somewhat wrote about this the other day. In fact my column sort of taking a step back from at least the first day and I'll have a column today sort of a my thoughts and it will expound on what we're talking about here, which is basically like, you know, it's it's hard not to like a lot what they did and but in terms of the the tight ends I think that you know, this is an instance where the culturally dropped the ball on a lot of things this offseason like when you looked at it, so when you looked at it coming into this offseason there were four teens that basically had a ton of cap space. It was the Patriots. It was the Jaguars and the Jets. Yep and the Colts so you looked at it and and this is what I wrote the other day that Belichick is some point in time realize like dead. It was almost like a poker game. I I equated it to you know, buying houses and things like that, but it was almost like a poker game where Belichick is like, all right, all these guys got big Stacks, but all of a sudden Belichick's looking around he's like, wow, I'm really the only player here like you have the Jaguars and Urban Meyer. Okay fine. You want to go there whatever go ahead. Go to Jacksonville, you know or you want to go to the gym, like what do they really doing? Like, do you want to go there? Who's their quarterback? Whatever? Okay, okay, and then you have the Colts. You know, he's looking at Chris Ballard who's a guy who's just you know, he basically like if you're watching the video like I'm like, I'm hoarding the chips. Like he just got his arms around his chest like he's like looking around at everybody. Like I'm not trying to take my chips. Are you really take my chips? Nobody came into my chest and I equated it to you know in the house buying I was like, you know, Belichick's got all this money. He's got cash. He's ready to buy a house has Chris Bowers the type of buyer who's like he's dead. Like all fifteen houses and he goes back and about three times and then he gives you a lowball offer and this and that like Belichick's just got cash. He's like, all right. I know exactly what the value is of this mouse. Here's my offer take it or leave it. You don't like it. I'm going in the next guy. That's the way this free agency went and so a team like the Colts like I mean Frank right just came out yesterday and said we're looking to add a playmaking tight end. What what the hell he waiting for like you had Johnny Smith Hunter Henry in a crapload of cat space like why why don't the Colts have one of them and it's because of balor's in action. He thinks she's looked and I think Chris Ballard is great idea what he does have a bit of an ego when it comes to His abilities as a GM is abilities drafting like he thinks a lot of what he does. And so, you know, at least Bella's Belichick certainly has an ego but at least he came in here is like, hey, look, I can't drive worth a crap. Like my free agency has sucked. You know, we have no Talent. We have no pro bowler. So I'm going to import about four or five like instantly to make up for it, you know, so at least he's a real Attack. Yep. And so I just, you know, the tight ends is great. The Colts completely dropped the ball the Patriots took advantage of that and now you have the two-tight-end thing and you know walk in one offshoot. I want to get too. I've been talking for a while. So I'm going to take a break for a second but we can we can come back to this. Okay. Now you're fired up. It's all good. I am, you know, give me multiple tight ends and things like that I get fired up, but we need to talk about Cam and you know sort of his ability to really make this offense work with two tight ends. And of course everybody's like, oh too tight ends we can do this we can do that you can do, you know are they dead? Backers, are they say ye? Yes, but do you have the type of quarterback that can make checks calls reads and things like that to take advantage of all that that is a big unknown with Cam Newton and something like that. If they don't answer affirmatively, they ain't going to work. Yeah, you know what when you look at site and we'll cuz I want to get to the quarterback position for sure and how all these moves affect that position currently moving forward. But just one more thing on the tight ends, you know, I see a lot of people saying oh, well, this is an indictment on the two tight ends that were drafted last year. I wouldn't go that far just yet because number one again covid-19. It's a tough position to learn they should have been better than they were they should have at least, you know, given you something right? But what I would say is you bring in Smith you bring in Bank Asia Asia still your third guy and I think Dalton Keen as we said when he was drafted Greg, yes, he could play tight end, but he's also more of an HVAC fullback so exactly I think home. Seen Dalton Keen go back to what he was supposed to be which is that age back fullback. You'll have Assi Assi now is your third guy and you've got Smith and Henry and you know, I love that. I'm not complain about that another big move that's happened since our last podcast as Greg takes another shot of espresso. Kyle Van Noy was brought back last night. I'm a little afraid to bring up his name Greg. I don't think you're a huge fan of mr. Personality and putting himself over he of course released the video immediately last night putting himself over off what I surely you. Just so first I will give you the opportunity to get anything off of your back that you would like about Vannoy before we talk about the football aspect wage. Yeah. I saw your tweet I didn't I didn't I look it just seemed to put spicy every time we bring them up. It's like, oh yeah, here we go. You know, I love Kyle Van why the plane? Okay, I do I do and I think he's he's a great fit back here and he makes them so much better and but look I you know, I just don't like the way he does things in terms of you know, how he let me just say this can we not have any any not nickname anybody, you know any money or anything like that can can we come to that agreement cam did that did you have a problem with Cam did that? Yeah, how'd that work? You know like, you know how that work out all his nickname in hashtags and things like that. Last year was nicknamed. Let's just worry about the feel like I don't want to hear about boogie man who crap out in the last month of the season and cost them home field advantage in the playoffs that let's just what I think Kyle Van white is a is a tremendous player. He just he just talks too much for me, but that's just me you doing I would say this you respect wage. Talent you understand you understand and appreciate the versatility that he's going to bring to this 2% can play on the edge you can slide into the inside you can now have him move on the inside width height our menus and a sub, you know package. If you want to even mess around with Jenny, there's a lot of different stuff that they can do with. You know, now you've got Jude on in Vannoy your Edge compared to Jersey last year defensively God Edge is a billion times better. So there's no doubt. It's just he's somebody that annoys you and I think there's some similarities just judging by doing this podcast with you since you know before last season, it seems to me that there are some similarities to chase winovich where like, you know, the camera and the personality and he makes sure that it's turned on and he's always got home. I don't have as big of an issue with it. But I do think you tend to get annoyed by some of those guys. So I think your mom just I'm just I'm look I'm cranky old school grumpy guy who just you know, I want guys to just let their play do the talking and they're plenty good. Well Chase winovich isn't but you know, like let's just see what happens with Chase winovich who you know could be I would not be surprised if she traded at some point. I just don't look he's he's stuck in a sub role now, right? Absolutely right in terms of June on on the left side. Kyle Van Noy on the right side, you know, you got God shall in a little you know, for now, it's Anderson and Lawrence guy spot. You got Hightower in the middle. I mean Nick, holy hell are they good against the run like it is night and day where they are and look I don't winovich might be he's good third-down pass rusher evidence of anything that they've done here is is it is proof that they do not trust at least winovich to be a starter. They don't trust them to be in the right place. We talked about it as nauseam. You know, he you know, he's he's not sure who I am and and you know what I'm talking about. Well, you know the Patriots coaches obviously don't trust them because they brought in not one but two veteran Edge players and so look he could still be a sub pass-rusher an a good one. He's there's no question his Motors good his pass-rush is good. I just think it's it's more likely than not that when if it's just probably traded at some point cuz he is and he's in a log Jam for at least another year. And so what's what's the point? I don't understand what the point is trade him. Try to send them back to kiss Areo try to get something for him and move on. Here's what I'll say, you know, this month free agency has been cathartic I think for a lot of people it's been cathartic and for the media, it's been cathartic for the fan base because for the last few years many of us, even though some people try to paint certain people in the media as Homer's which whatever I mean, I think most of that is a joke, but you know, I looked at this and I said in the last few years, obviously Belichick The GM had failed Belichick the coach we watched this team and Greg you're mentioning it right now for the last few years. We've watched and go she's they've got nobody at tight end. What the heck are they doing? They've got nobody at tight end for the edge or exactly and you'd watch this team you'd say they're going to give up 250 rushing yards tonight. I know it they know off the American people know it and they're not doing anything about it. And so that's why I think this week has been such a moment not only for Patriots fans, but also the Patriots media because I do think I do think that it justifies some of the bitching that the media has done and it proves that some of the issues that we've had with, you know, the lack of Talent on a roster and the problems they had against certain opposition. It proves that we were onto something and it also proves it for sure. It also proves this Greg Belichick new and you know a log Times we'd watch this team and go. Yeah, he's the greatest coach of all time. How does he know that? This team can't defend the Run. Yeah, he coach of all time. How can't he see this offense as brutal month you get this feeling you know, Belichick is almost like us in this offseason. He he walked in as you said as the only player in the poker game and he said I've never John all these guys. I've got leverage every single team. I'm going to be aggressive and as we sat there and watch this football team play and we stood publicly Belichick was still doing internally. He was still not going this roster isn't good enough. I've had a lot. Yeah. Yeah. We stink and I I've got to do a lot of things to fix it. And so he walked in and he did what every fan and what pretty much every media member wanted him to do admit your mistakes embraced the mistakes, correct the mistakes and do what you have to do to make this roster better job. That's what he did moving on Ted Karras. I wanted to talk about this one because you're a big line guy. Obviously, we know by now we had it I think on Monday night that Joe Toney was going to the Chiefs game. Now, we know that David Andrews is moving on Ted Karras signs with the Pats your thoughts on what it looks like replacing Andrews with Charis Andrews thinks he's moving on Thursday. He does. We'll see. Oh, yeah what I know about this is that Let's let's say David Andrews look and he's a very good player and he's won multiple Super Bowls and you know, I get it and and more power to the players to get every last dollar that they can but let's just say that David Andrews has a very high value he put a very high value on his services this offseason page, I would say and let's just say it's somewhere near the top of the Center Market and I think that's delusional like I think he's a good player but he's he Corey Linsley wage is the any of these other guys know, he's a notch below them. Yeah. That's the name. I thought of as soon as you start talking. He saw the linsly contract and he was licking his chops going. Oh, yeah, baby. I think Leslie got 12 and 1/2 million. I'm sorry, you know David Andrews is not that if he can get it great, but in this with this cap in this market, There's no way he's worth David Anderson's work that plus the whole blood clot thing doesn't help his case. I think David Andrews is around a 7 to 9 million dollar Center in my opinion. I agree and he thinks it's out there. He thinks up a big paydays out there. I think the Patriots were willing probably to do the ballpark that I was talking about. But Andrews was not and so he sort of burned the boats. He's not entirely but at least threatened at least in their mind. Oh, well. No, I'm really leaving. I'm I'm announcing I'm talking to other teams in the Patriots like okay have fun. See what's out there like he could come back with his hat in his hand. He could yeah, but if they have to if it's Karis, I assume they're going to get a booster in the draft. They should have gotten one last year. We talked about that. It was on their list they wait until the 7th round and they drafted some guy Dustin Woodard who retired before he ever really did anything. Here that's a disappointment. They knew that they had to get better at the backup center position and they just it's another thing that Belichick dropped the ball on last year. Now, they're pressed into it off and look they've had guys whether it's you know, Tunis stork, you know, a bunch of different guys have started as rookies on the offensive line here even later round picks. They're going to have to do that again because the alternative would Ted Karras and I love steady 1080i coin that nickname for him, but he's limited and he the running games going to be limited. He's not that great of an athlete. He's good pass-rushing not a great run-blocker can't get to the second level. It limits what the Patriots can do. He's a good feeling but the Patriots need to find better perhaps it's Andrews coming back for a one year deal to maybe hit free agency again next year. I'm sure the Patriots would be open to that. I think that would be the ideal situation for both sides at this point. We're just going to have to see whether that happens or not. All right. I only want to spend a minute. This next one because we gotta get to bigger picture stuff Adam off to Miami thoughts. He's he's almost like he's very similar to chase winovich in that. He was only a sub rusher and there is a limit on the value of that in the scheme and he hit the he hit the limit basically by the years that he's been here good for him going and getting a something else somewhere. I just you just there's just a I mean look good player good pass-rusher, but you know, how many snaps is he playing? What's the value of that and the Patriots decided to move on? I think that's wise you should be able to hide find those kind of guys in the draft or at least younger guys cheaper guys and maybe now Byron Cowart gets more of a chance to do that and maybe he's better at that than being in, you know in every down first two down defensive tackle, which he wasn't great at. All right. So let's look at the bigger picture now you and I we both laughing The team has done. You said you're going to write something more in-depth at Boston Sports channel, So check that out. If you're listening to this podcast for really in-depth thoughts on each of these bigger moves from Greg, but let's get to them back position Now Greg first question about the quarterback position if Cam Newton is going to be the guy and I don't want you to tell me if they're going to have other options just yet. We'll get to that. Yep, but as currently constituted with Cam as the quarterback, how much better is this offense? I think it is incrementally better. You know, I think it's look he has a ton more Talent will get the we'll get the judgment on you know is a cam hours of the the people around him or what-have-you because and and I actually this is part of the thing that was going to write for bsj is you know, one of the thoughts I had is I don't know who's under more pressure right now Bello Checker Cam Newton because this is the most Talent Cam Newton has ever been surrounded by ever. Yeah, even even though you know when he was MVP in 2015 that group can't hold a candle to this. I mean basically Hunter Henry is Greg Olsen, then you have another tight end who's just as good as those those two guys off and these receivers are much better. I think with Steve Smith on that Super Bowl team. I think it was I think he was and then he got released. I think after that. Yeah, so see Smith was great. So they, you know, look, They have an advantage there. That was a good offensive line. I think this offensive line is better. I think the running backs at the end of the day the Patriots, you know might add somebody their home. They could be pretty close to the Panthers had some good running backs cameras in his prime back then as far as a runner and passer but I think this I think this group as a whole is better off the defense is better. So if Cam doesn't produce this year, he's done. He's exposed. He's completely he's completely done. And so I think there's a ton of pressure on him. Do I think they're going to be better? Yeah, I I think they're going to be better how much better. I'm not sure but I just think just the ability having the tight ends and you know, these different wide receivers that can get open really quick and they can do different things and the matchup issues that they're going to have people are going to be open all over the place Nick. They're going to be able to run the ball people are going to be open is Cam going to deliver and he is he going to deliver on time. I have a lot of questions about that. Okay, since you have questions about that since cams contract is very very very low risk. I mean, even when you look at some of these other deals that have been signed Fitzpatrick's in ten million on the base Dalton's getting ten million on the base even somebody like Tyrod Taylor I think is making a little bit more money on the base than cam is Jameis Winston's making more money down in New Orleans off. So, you know, some people were saying that my guy Lou merloni saying that cam wasn't his plan a I'm not going to go that far. I don't think cam was plan a if Cam was playing a game. I mean for the offseason cam was planted he was he he was not even close to True exactly. He was planted for the quarterback know they called the 49ers. They called the Raiders. They made an offer for Matthew Stafford home. He's not playing a if you're doing those things anyway, I digest but I grassed not digest I'd I'd doubt he's going to say yeah, I can just on your own. You know what I'd I'd just at all in and then what I do, I think of what I gotta say and then I digress but I digress when you look at what they're going to do now moving forward this certainly You could argue I tweeted this out the other day you could argue anything you want with what they're going to do at quarterback now because what they've done over the past few days builds a case for each and every option you could say Greg. Hey Thursday built this thing around Cam and as you just mentioned the pressures on cam if he doesn't get it done, he's exposed. They think he can do it with a better Supporting Cast so cams going to be the guy you could own no. We'll build the case and say well they went out and spent a ton of money. They brought in a bunch of veterans that opens the door to be very aggressive in the draft to maybe move up and draft the black guy and if the next guy is not ready this year they have Cam as the mentor that young guy a lot of people are thrown around Trail ants because they have a similar kind of skill-set then Lance develops over the next year off and then in 20 22, you still have this Supporting Cast with one year under their belt and Trail and you could also say well maybe they're trying to upgrade and woo somebody off Wilson or Watson and you know, Mike Silver's talked about that Jeff how has written about that Joseph person in the athletic has also mentioned the New England Patriots possibly trying to sneak in to the DeShaun Watson talks with all of that laid out for you. Which option do you think is the most likely do you think we could now see them be aggressive and off? Bob to try to find that next guy Okay, a couple of things you know what has transpired doesn't change anything. Okay, Jimmy Garoppolo has always been planning for this team. They've had they have tried to get him. They have tried to engage the 49ers. The 49ers will not engage at least at least to this point without having something better or their own sort of plan and the Patriots are just like all right, fine, you know the words that I was told was the Forty Niners are screwing around. They're not really engaging and the Patriots said, okay fine, you know, we're moving the Patriots are not going to wait around, you know, God for yes. They love Jimmy would they like to have Jimmy here? Yes, but they're not going to sit around and wait and pine for Jimmy because what happened then you're left with nothing. You could be left with nothing at the end of the day. So they made plans and I would say the most likely plan at this point is Cam Newton with a draft pick now. It doesn't mean to me that does not mean trade up in the draft. It doesn't mean draft one and fifteen it could mean it may basically I'm trying to say it could mean anything in terms of craft. Yeah, and I think it also applies to say like Garoppolo like the Patriots are still they still have the ability and it's getting harder and harder by the day off but they still have some moves that they could do in terms of extending McCourty Hightower. They could create some space plus if they traded for Garoppolo they could do some things where like they give them a salary. Yeah in a bonus and prorate it and really his cat space is really only like four million. Yeah. They care one. It could be structure him and make it very easy to deal with the cap. So and even somebody Someone said this to me the other day that it's not a look this is there works on mine. It's not out of the realm of possibility that the 49ers just release Garoppolo took a point with the 25 million. He's on their books and maybe they see our we're going to do this. We're going to do that in the draft. That is possible. So look there is a light on for Jimmy G trust me off and it'll probably always stay on Jimmy. I just don't look like like looking out the window and like the glass towards Jimmy G and Jimmy G's in a car in the back seat. And Shanahan is John Lynch or in the front seat. It's being driven by Kyle Shanahan. Don't get that in Garoppolo looking out garoppolo's looking out the window from the back seat in Belichick's looking out the window and like the living wage and they're just like reaching towards each other like we can make this happen and Shanahan's like not going to happen on my watch. Not yet why Shanahan sounds like he came from Alabama, but in my mind, that's what it off. Yeah, it could you could but I would say the most likely scenario right now is Cam Newton and a quarterback and I can't tell you where that quarterbacks going to come in the draft. It could come in the second round. You know, I know the Patriots think there is a lot of depth in this quarterback class. They are not done with their homework on this on this draft class probably won't be done. I don't think the coaches really doing heavy lifting, you know, especially Belichick until April once free agency and everything is done then he'll really dive into that stuff and they'll come away with who they want wage. And I think it's the most likely scenario is Cam and a draft quarterback. Are they hoping that draft quarterback possibly ascends quickly probably doesn't necessarily need to happen this year. No, but I think that's m a r I also think it maybe we'll dive into this a little bit more next week, but the free agency approach gives Belichick what he loves to have during the draft flexibility. Yeah, I think you know now you can take anybody because you're not beholding to one specific position, even though I'd like to see them be aggressive and move up and get a quarterback. If they loved one of the top four guys. It does leave them some flexibility now if they want to make that move if they want to stay and stick and pick they can do that if they want to move down the board. I mean, they've got a lot of different things they can do now because they've answered a lot of the questions we had going into this offseason by day to officially a free agency last one for you today. Hang on one. I forgot the Watson. Yep. I think it's a pipe bomb. Like I don't you know, I don't want to say never because who knows you never know what's going to happen and the Patriots always leave themselves the flexibility. I just don't think first of all, I don't think Watson wants to come home. He's never been on this list, you know second of all the Patriots don't have enough to offer any even yeah, you could say. Well he has a no-trade clause. Yes, but you know the Texans aren't just going to accept them like crap. Yeah in exchange. They're not just they would rather in that scenario. They'll be like screw you to DeSean. We have worked out a deal with the with the dolphins or jets or somebody gives us a quarterback. We get the number two or three overall pick. Okay, you know, he'd be like, I don't like them. I want to go to New England. They'll be like go screw go sit go sit would not now we're going to make you sit and that's easily kabell, you know, people will understand and be like, oh I backed the Texans here. Let alone all the allegations that are going on, which I don't want to touch with a ten-foot pole, but I just think God People need to give up on the Sean Watson. I mean look do I think there's a maybe a 1% 2% chance, I guess but largely it's a complete pipe dream in fallacy. And if you're on Twitter, you know back during about DeShaun Watson all the time. There are much better ways to spend your time. Well, I guess you've said your piece on that. I think it's a little bit more possible than you do. I am not saying that it's likely I don't think it's likely but there are some things that Patriots could do but the difficulty is because in the scenario, you wouldn't be trading what you have right. Now. You would have to trade some stuff to move up and then move that pic to Houston and I mean we would have to be a lot of different things that would go down for that to happen. Right? I would also say as far as there's no trade clause I do think it's a valid point to bring up. I I do think if you want it to try to direct himself to somewhere that gives him a little bit more leverage to do to an extent. Yep. An extent and that also leads to the next point which you said, you know, it really depends on whether or not Watson is willing to sit and you know, there are people out there that say, oh here's principled guy. He's going to sit he doesn't care how much money it costs him and look maybe that's true. Or maybe that's I would be one of those people or you know, maybe it's true or maybe that's Watson's Camp off that is leaking that to try to put the fear of God into Houston so they can just say okay in relent and move him. I don't know which one I think the most likely thing that's happening here is with that. Let's not forget who was initially brought up the Jets and the Dolphins and if you're if you're a Houston and you're going to move Watson the number one priority for you as an organization is to answer the question who the hell is going to replace that guy and I think it's a Rod Taylor, right? I don't think Taylor is the answer. Okay. He might be a bridge guy may be dead. But if you're dealing somebody like oh God, yeah, usually if you're dealing with a top five or six quarterback 25 years old with a contract. He just signed off he set for the next five six years you are looking for his immediate replacement in unless the team that you trade him to gives you that replacement or gives you an Avenue to acquire a placement. It's it's not even worth talking about if you're Houston. So again, it would have to take the Patriots to move up and get a pic get some other people sent. You know, there'd be a lot of moves or it would be DeShaun Watson walking in saying I want New England or I'm going to sit and he'd be half. He'd have to be willing to actually sit and put Houston's feet to the fire. So those are the only ways that happens and that's why I think it's very unlikely one last thing. I wanted to ask you. They've added a bunch we've talked about it. I mean talked about their needs Greg. They need a tight ends. They certainly got tight ends. They needed help on the edge Vannoy Judith check check. They needed some help on the interior of the defensive line. I would say somewhat check. Maybe they need to add somebody else. Maybe that'll be part of this answer but they they've answered a lot of questions so far. What would you like to see them do over the next? I don't know a couple of days a week. What would you like to see them do that is still on your to-do list. Okay, I'm off. I mean in terms of pieces to the puzzle, you know, like I talked about Center. You know, you're looking at the draft quarterback, you're looking at the draft. I think they need some more beef inside if Lawrence guy is not back if he's if he's back then fine. You know Bo Allen just got released and I'm awfully yeah. I always I'm glad I snapped that photo of Bo Allen on the sidelines during the walk-through. It's like it's like the Loch Ness Monsters. Yeah, you're Bominable snowman. They were on foot in throughout the most part in today. Thank God. Yes. Yes they did. So they need some beef inside. I would like to see, you know, another big boy in there. I think they cuz I can like we we've seen before you can never have enough depth inside on both lines. I think that the big remaining piece of the puzzle to me. Nick is home. I'm just not sure how the linebackers fit like is Uche now a stand-up linebacker if he is. Okay. I'm good with that. I think he's shown some potential there. I would like a speedy dead. I would like a speedy line backer perhaps that's Kyle Duggar that could be Duggar playing linebacker. He's big and strong enough. I think they're going to lose James White to somebody. Yep mer Tampa. So I would like another running back option. I think you've been tweeting about it, you know the Lindsay stuff. Yeah, he's a guy I've been fascinated with forever and he was always the answer to people would be like when we dragged on Sony Michelle people. Well, what do you want? I'm like, well, I want Phillip Lindsay who was you know, undrafted free agent just about offensive Rookie of the Year his rookie year. So I want to I want to running back. I want to I want more of a so they have to sort of power backs. I want a quick back. Yeah in the backfield a quick hitter to do with these guys. So that's kind of what I'm looking at. Yeah. I mean, we we have pretty much the same list. There's one more thing though. I'd like to see cuz I'd like to see the James White replacement. I've been saying Phillip Lindsay just because I mentioned job Twitter that Mike Lombardi brought that up earlier this week and whenever Lombardi throws a name out there, I think we should all at least give it some Credence because of his relationship with Belichick's so he brought that up before Denver made it official Don from him. So, you know, maybe one sees the answer maybe somebody else is the answer we know for a fact it's been reported out that the Patriots are looking at running back. I don't want format cuz for net is too much of Damien Harrisburg, she'll give me somebody else who's a little bit of a scatter back. You can move them around it could even get away with putting Lindsay in the slot, you know people were in love with the idea of Le'Veon Bell. I'm not saying he's Le'Veon Bell, but that kind of Shifty back somebody who gives you like. You said the speed element, I would like to see that happen because as great as James White was he wasn't the fastest guy in the world. So I like to see that happen defensive tackle. I think they're in a really good spot because there's going to be a number of guys Danny Shelton Lawrence guy. There are guys out there that are still available. And also when you look at the draft, there's a few dudes that you might be able to move down in the first round if you want to do that and draft a young guy dead. And put him in the middle. So I think they'll be fine there. But I do think they need another fat dude or big dude in the middle of that d-line Center for sure. The one thing you did mention. I still want to see me receiver. Like I think you know agholor to me is a nice too. Kendrick Bourne, Jacoby Myers is your kind of 3/4? I can't depend on Julian Edelman as much as I love him. You just can't. Yep. And on Jules I would have absolutely I had a heart attack if Curtis Samuel signed with this football team. He went to for the people saying oh, well, they should have picked Samuel over agholor. It's not how it works. You know, like we said, let's not forget that Samuel played for Ron Rivera. He played with Terry McLaurin in college. I think they were roommates in college relationships matter Samuel might have just said no, I want to go to a place with a coach that I know and play with one of my best friends, but it's so we don't know if Samuel would have went to New England even if they offered him the back so I still think a number one wide receiver whether their life and I'm kind of a little you know, I'm a little concerned about the draft because their track record, I do think n'keal. Harry probably gets traded just too much smoke around that guy right now. Also, make note that AJ Green apparently according to some reports. It was the Cardinals or the Patriots for AJ Green. So we know that the Patriots are still in the market for a receiver. I would have hated the way I think he's done but they're in the market. So give me a wide receiver. Give me one more Bill. I know you've given us a lot and I'm being greedy. But give me one more receiver. I thought I could feel like he's a one guy and I don't know if that guy is available in free agency right now, unless you believe Kenny golladay, or maybe you mention this Greg a little while ago Allen Robinson home. I don't know if you're you know, really wanting to make a deal for Allen Robinson with the money that you're paying agholor, but I'll tell you could you imagine Greg. I mean, I'm A lactating just thinking about my God. You would Jesus you've got job to think about per second. All right, but let's not let's not talk about quarterback. We're to talk about quarterback. I want to I want to stick in my good space Positive Vibes right now Positive Vibes only. Yep Hunter Henry dead. Jonnu, Smith Damien Harris, Sony Michelle Phillip, Lindsay Allen Robinson agholor. Edelman Kendrick Bourne, maybe Myers. Holy crap. Did you really have a choice? He was yelling their Homer know I gotta I gotta add a third back. You know, they love a third bag. They keep paying Rex Burkhead. They can't get enough of a third back. They he has a long they're probably still going to offer a three-year contract to find them in there. He's going to go behind him and they're going to wheel. They're going to wheelchair his routes form. Yeah. So I mean, it's just I'm just saying if you if you Allen Robinson Hunter Henry and jonnu Smith. I mean, I feel like I could play quarterback in that team wins 10 or 11 games. Honestly, like if I can't succeed with that, I mean my goodness then he has no chance to ever throw a football in the NFL. So I would say overall it's been a damn. Good job. Productive first few days when Greg Bedard doesn't have a lot to pitch about, you know, you know, it's going pretty well. So, you know Belichick, you know knocked it out of the park. And by the way right before we real quick before we leave actually, there's two things. I want to say number one that you know the the downside to this and we talked about it before the Eagles dream team and stuff like that the counter that and I agree with it with this group. Not only is it Bella Texas coaching them? Cuz Andy Reid coached that group, he's pretty good. It's all these guys are young. This is not nominee Austin Hua, you know Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie or Ronnie Brown, you know, you know on the downside of their career, these guys are all ascending. So I agree with all that. The other thing I wanted to say is I don't ask for much other than a subscription to be SJ and Thursday and rating reviews, you know positive rating reviews here on the podcast, but I'm just wondering if I can get a little positive juju going from my alma mater Rutgers our first NCAA tournament appearance and wage. A billion years. Let's go Friday night like 9:20. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. I'll be watching them probably when I open about 12 Beers deep and I'll be watching them for you back on a good bet bet them to go to the Sweet Sixteen. I like their draw Clemson and then Houston we're going to the Sweet Sixteen. This is what happens when a team that hasn't been in a long time. They finally get in our final four, you know going crazy. Here we go Magic World Championship rocker write it down. Don't even write it down with pencil write it with a sharpie. Yeah. I mean, I agree with I agree with what you said as far as this group in listen, you were all over it. You were all over this since since day one and I'm not saying about spending money. A lot of people were taught about money. But you were in on some of the names you were in on the philosophy as far as what they were going to do i e young guys, you know versatility not belt looking at used and versatility so long And he got a lot of that so far and he still has by my account around twenty million left in cap space. I don't think they're done just yet. He is Greg Bedard I of course, I'm Nicki. Hopefully you enjoyed if you're still listening. I guess you did enjoy the Greg Bedard Patriots podcast with Nick cattles till next week or unless the Patriots trade for the shop. DeShaun Watson get choked up. Well, we'll talk to you next week. Everybody be good. Be safe be healthy enjoy the tournament and embrace this free agent.

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PMS 2.0 137 - Kyle Van Noy, Tony Dungy, & Roman Harper

The Pat McAfee Show 2.0

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PMS 2.0 137 - Kyle Van Noy, Tony Dungy, & Roman Harper

"Hope your Thanksgiving was absolutely fantastic. I got to call an instinct classic in Starkville Mississippi Mississippi State Beats Ole Miss. Do to what Matt Hasselbeck phrased in a text message. The piss in Miss Game Elisha more wide receiver. For Ole Miss Scores a touchdown with with less than ten seconds left on the clock to potentially tied up in the Egbo and Senate overtime. His celebration is a dog log pissing on the field. Obviously he gets an unsportsmanlike fifteen yard penalty coach Moorhead of Mississippi State Pittsburgh Guy Tax it onto the extra point becomes a thirty five. yarder kid misses the extra point. Four seconds left takes its helmet off GonNa remember this night for the rest of his life. Very sad scene Elisha Moore for kept us on the field right on the field but it was an electric one football games yesterday. Okay Buffalo Bills Get a win banner Jerry World from what I've been told the refs weren't great stunner. I was getting ready for the game but I watched the highlights here this evening. Get ready for a live show today at ten to noon. Sales still happening shadow to the shelter. The bears you know shadow to the bears. Mitchell trubisky finding a way to win in Detroit. Detroit the plow is one of the only quarterbacks in the entire league this year to throw to totters and have over over a hundred and fifty yards in the first quarter him. Lamar Jackson Patrick Mahomes. Drew drew brees air. Rogers that's the plow for you and had had elite halftime. I believe and then the power went out in the building in the brothers. Osborne couldn't even perform warm. Or people said that maybe screwed the entire Mo jo the city all of a sudden the bears in the second half comeback and win it. They tried their best. They tried to wrestle a plow. Come back they almost gave plow too much time. Everybody knows he can't give too much time. They almost did that instead. The bears get a big win with a sack. Good the for them. Go for the bears. Bear and saints. beat the Falcons. Even though young Ho coup was just nalen onside kick after onside kick nick after onside kick miss cupcakes in game. Complete a couple onside kicks. Sounds like the Internet loves you. Assume Young Ho coup will look back at the Misfield goes I would be upset about it but hey couple onside kicks hit perfectly. I love everything about that for. The brand wasn't a great for the brand day yesterday. All in all but I love that young Hokuto topped topped off with a couple of heaters there and the onside kick department. We've got a good one for you today. This show is brought to you by psychic are presenting sponsor The greatest ticket buying platform on planet Earth and the Moon. If you're going to buy tickets to a sporting event concert comedy maybe a musician you need to go to seek. 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And I think I heard a baby ladies and Gentlemen Calvin from there we go I like it daddy daycare today off. I got my son. We're hanging out Tuesday so it's the Ogden reviving. What is your son's name? trae legend under that name. That is one of my favorite names. I've ever heard mine mine tire life. I might change. I want to name my kid MIDAS or Maximus or doctor or a lot of things. Doctor you speak it into existence. You're all you're on the right track. Dr Legend McAfee would be a hell of a name. Mr Van Noy okay. Hey let's talk about your Patriots team. You guys have been dominant on the defensive side of the ball and special teams. The offense is still finding their groove. What what is the message inside the locker room? Just win however we need to win or is the Defense Gal. We know that the offense hasn't found yet they will at some point. Let's just keep doing our thing. Yeah I think you you said a right there. It's find a way to win. It doesn't matter In our organization we believe that at at the end of the day stats. Don't really matter all that matters is a w and that column and that's what we strive for each and every week Offense is getting better each and every week the defense is holding strong special teams. It's holding strong. We know Tom Brady's the go we know he's going to get those guys going We're just GONNA continue to keep doing our part. I mean anytime you have guys like hightower Jamie Collins Myself and then our boys the best corner in the league. Stefan Gilmore. WHO's playing out of his mind? Were blessed to be in the position. We're in and we hope to continue that Patrick Greatness. He had more receptions than Amari Cooper this past weekend was the was the mindset now granted the Patriots had rivas in the past to where it was the same thing like. Hey we'll just let him take care of guy is the mindset likes the phone Gilmore's going eliminate their best guy. We just know that I know every every week. I just put an X.. Through that receiver or I shouldn't say eggs. I just put a lock around. Beaulieu lock commend. He's playing really well. And you know anytime. You have a player like that. WHO Doesn't speak it's insane But I feel like I get. Ah The most out of him either. He definitely talked a lot of me. So that's good but I'm happy. He's on our team. He's playing really really damn good football. Dang good football you you can say damn you just can't say the shoot the on by the way the FCC rules makes zero sense. It makes no sense to be two thousand nineteen eighteen. You can't say sh boots also things that don't make sense to me. Matthew Slater that Guy Somehow is around the ball at all all times when it comes to special teams once he like in that locker room. Great Leader an even better person to me. I think he deserves a golden jacket jacket I Call I call them gold jacket either. I I think he's one of the best teammates. It's leaders there are in the NFL. I mean his charisma and his willing to sacrifice for the greater good of the team each and every week Is Amazing. You should see. His speech is pretty epic. They're up there with yours. Wednesday wants you to him after the game locker room. Yeah after the game. And he says Some insightful well received message after the game each and every game doesn't matter if we win lose his perspective on life is unreal and unmatched. And I'm I'm really glad I get to learn from him. Each and every day is impressive. Humid wow so these. Just as good off the field as he is on it because he changes the game and a special teams. Yeah he's HE'S A. I'd say he's better off. I mean the magnitude him and his wife do you in the community Is relationship with the man upstairs and him. Preaching Christianity is amazing. I've I haven't met anybody. Anybody like him really good humid pretty big season for him coming up by the way birthday around a corner for leaking of you guys is now. It's post Thanksgiving. Almost Bill Belichick has said that his teams need to be humming post thanksgiving. What can you guys fix to become even better? He goes. Yeah well football after Thanksgiving real football in my book about right. He's been good on his NFL. All Time team. I've only seen a couple of clips with them. I haven't got a chance to watching entire thing. He's hosting a show on NFL network. Do you guys watch that. No but he he raved about it. He's he. He said that he did a lot of Research a lot you know. He said it was an amazing one of the most memorable opportunities indies. He's had in a while of being able to go back and look through players and talk nicely about players and He he he really. He really said he enjoyed it. And I'm excited to look at it. I haven't had time to obviously but you know when I get the chance I wanna I wanna see if I make that list well. I think it's a lot of old heads picking that people by the way so I think there might be a little bit of a bias towards Jerry. We talked to Tony Dungy in the first hour. He's a part of the panel Hanover. Put it together. He talked about bill. Polian I didn't hear any other names but I'm assuming it's going to be a lot of old heads making the decisions as a show by the way they've earned the right to do that but there could be a little bit of Generational Oh bias. We'll see how that works getting a chance. You hear ballot check speak on a daily basis for a lot of us. The only time we hear him speak is in that press conference so getting a chance to watch the clips of him like breaking down things. You're like damn this guy really is everything that we've heard about him. Yeah he's definitely a football savant anytime he's teaching your detriment. I'm definitely listening and taking notes. I mean hopefully I can get my pop warner team when I'm done playing Ray. The Role Benham fundamental football very. They're they're going to get right. And you know I'm GonNa be saying a lot of things bill says and it sticks in your head especially I think last on the last episode so when I was on with you you're out in the middle of the game here you're sitting out there like damn. He just went over that two days ago and it's happening in the game and you know it's a blessing to play for him and learn from and I'm just excited to continue this pack to where we're going and where we wanna beat them that you guys feel that train starting to roll especially without dominant the defense has been like in the do your job segment where they talked about that. Two Point conversion where he talked about it like a month before and and he was like. Hey let's get some work on two point conversions. We might need it at some point. Oh to win. The Super Bowl is when actually we need that. It makes no sense to me. It makes no sense. Have you ever met that. Ernie Adams Guy I said his name. Hi Ernie Roy miss the Robo cop you always got big old looking fire boy. He's dollars looking fire on the sideline when every see 'em doesn't doesn't say much but man is he just full of knowledge. I mean he knows every rule every every situation and he teaches you know if you go up to him. He'll he'll spit You know to some people you know to the normal person. It sounds sounds like Spanish if you don't speak Spanish but if you're a football guy and your football accused Up There Hill. Break it down to where it's football football one on one and he's a really good teacher I'm I'm glad I get to Chit Chat with him Each and every day he definitely has helped me out with a lot of situations. Okay has Ernie Adams seen anything like Lamar Jackson last night. I don't know if you've got a chance to watch out last night. You use ball in Bro balling and you guys obviously obviously had a little bit of a struggle with him. He's an anomaly right now. That has been different than anything. I think I've ever seen in the league. Yeah why is that. I oh I think he's he's bringing a whole different swagger football. I mean you you can see him. I I love his attitude. I mean after a Yeah little I mean from little things like when I think they had a false start penalty. He threw the ball and the dirt because he he's chasing each chasing greatness and I as a player I respect that because you know you want you want that on the other side when I line up I you know I want. I want to beat you. And he's trying to do the same and I love that intensity brings he's bringing a whole different feel to to the NFL. And I'm happy form. He's he's giving kids a chance. I think it's awesome. That conversation he had with Harbaugh side on something. That's going to be accurate for a long time. He's on my kids. are going to wear the number eight and play quarterback because if you go and Ford he's completely changed the game now Human that has changed. The game is obviously bill ballot. Check now you guys didn't have success with them against him the first time I said. Let's assume if any coach will be able to figure something out after playing somebody one time going forward the the next time they potentially. I don't know it's going to be Bill Belichick. What is something that you have to give away anything? I'm sure you guys have talked about it yet. But what is something that he exposes in the defense that nobody thinks about until it's time is it. How fast he is? You can't tell fast is on film or what exactly is it was just. It's just guarding an extra person. He's an extra you know. He's not only a good quarterback but he's an extra running back in the run game and it's hard hard to account for that because that's extra person so you know when they're running that speed option with the extra polar are and a fullback out so you have to defend that plus he can keep it or pitches. It's it's a tough deal and you gotta be on your You gotta a beyond your a game and You know unfortunately we weren't that and hopefully will will be the next time if we see them down the road. But I'm going to say the bill Bocek answer. We're focused on the Texan. Texans your game against the cowboys was the highest rated game. Am since two thousand seven the NFL has had a long finger about that. It's Kinda crazy right. Yeah it's insane. I think that's what happens when you have the Patriots Bill. Belichick Tom Brady. Calvin Alvin Oi taking on America's team Jerry Jones which has been very hit or miss all year. I think that's why people were dragged by it. Yeah we're the nightmare now America's nightmare baby. Hey there was a couple Phantom tripping calls there that you guys will definitely take to the bank and not care about but the NFL had to apologize for. Yeah but there is also holding too okay. Hey to Shawn Watson coming up the Texans The ball is out at the end of the game. You'll see that on film. derozan knocked the ball out. It was clearly sitting in his hands. Didn't overturn it was. You'll see it on film. I'm retrieve already senior. Yeah the ball is out. I mean cautious got ball probably walk down. Field scored a touchdown game winner. No big deal. Nobody knew what have you seen from the Texans. And what are you guys looking looking forward to do. I'm looking for the matchup between guilty locked and diop that's GonNa be amazing I think you know our defenses versus Shawn and a good task for our special teams in our offensively going against their defense It's going to be a really good good game Sunday night. I mean Damn I loved Sunday. Sarah is is there anything to that talked about. How the Ravens? They seem like they enjoy. Loyd those Primetime Games there are some players that you've you've seen them that whenever the lights come on everything. KINDA gets a little deer in the headlights. If feels like prime time is something that happens every week for the Patriots. It's yeah it's a blessing to be on TV for the family. That's for sure My family doesn't get too many games so it's blessing that they're able to see all the way on the West Coast so I'm always excited plough on prime time for them Try to make a play for my mom and my dad and and you know honestly for some players. I think you know when you're Tom. Every game is is prime time. And that's kind of how our team roles we take take that Feel for from. Tom Brady Every games prime time and we know everyone's watching everyone's paying attention to a word on so I don't think we'll have a different approach. But you know I. I love playing on Sunday night. The key Chris Collins were juiced up. You know his little slide in intro they gotta get it Collins and Bill Belichick and now co host of a show. That's going to be interesting to hear what he has to say. I bet you you know when I was talking to the NFL all the time team. He told me it's going to become an entire. You guys are so fun to watch a quick question about life going going forward here. We what trae legend Van Noy play football. If that's what he wants to do man I I can't I can't hold them back. Okay I I believe in that if your kid wants to do something. I don't see why not. I have a quick question for for you. How is exciting? Is it to get such good responses from the mass of the nation about your college football entry. Bro You're killing it I I gotta say I'm happy for you. You're doing a really good job on. Doing that. Means a lot and by the late a a lot of people have been saying a lot of very nice things boy. There's some people say some very terrible people who are not for the brand I know for sure or not just like they're not for Burger or Joe Bug. Maybe there's haters out there you know that that's why that's why they are where they're at and that's why you were where you're so. You're you're doing good. Well I appreciate and I'm having a lot of fun to think about it is everybody's scared to mess me up right so I don't want to ever compare myself to Lamar Jackson action as humans. But I am an anomaly in this sports broadcasting road right so yeah everywhere I go all they ever say to me. WWe Does this ESPN's been doing this disown in Westwood. One of the we just want you to be you. I'm like okay. You said it. I mean I'm going to do so from Ontario. Yeah it is it is at some point. I assume boom it's GONNA change but at this point it's like what the hell can we do before I get yelled at. I know jogging late the river. There we go so my lady in Iran some vitamins last night in that video popped up again on her. I think on her thing and she said did you even think like that could have been a foot and a half deep like you couldn't see through that there could have been rocks or sticks or anything like that. I was like you know what's funny. I hadn't thought of that until right. AAC Now log underneath that thing just sticking. I could've been pierced rate in the face and not even thought of that by the way. Ignorance is bliss. I'm a very dumb individualism and helping his whole time. Hey You keep on baby. You're you're doing really well and and by the way did you did you get some love With another sue. I mean you're tailor their round giving you another sue. How how did that work? Oh I had to walk like a mile back to the studio by the way they had a couple of towels for me but I couldn't put the talent because any look soft. You know what I mean. You can't throw the people so I put shorts on the thing was I. Don't normally work cowboy boots but in that water couldn't get the boots off of the feet took me meeting minutes to get the anchors off of my. It was a bad scene over there. Manama's broken ankle almost faint. They were you know. Oh Oh yeah. So what are they told me. It was eight feet. I while I was told. By the captain of the Pontoon. There was eight feet so when I jump in you see me start doing this because I knew that my boots surfing anchor. So I'm like Oh my God oh my God and then my feet hit the ground. And I'm like wait a minute and I stand up and it's like right here. I'm like Oh this was not a I mean this was around. Well I could have died. There would have been alleged. You can't trust that you can't trust that captain. No more. He needs to be fired. They call it sale getting down there which is a pretty cool thing. They have all their pontoon boats out river and they just get after it on the Brazos River. I think it's a pretty good idea. I assume there's going to be more belly flops in a future down there. Actually I gotta go I gotTa go shoot my bottom with the vanoise on youtube right now so I got I gotta go much love. What is vibrate the van noise? It's my youtube channel so what I do. Is I bring teammates. I'm a big food person. We go to a mom and pop shops in Boston. And we basically shout them out because I feel like chefs and owners or just like football players. People could talk trash about us. We never can say anything back there. The same white people can give them stars. Say their food sucks and they never get say anything so I give them a platform to be able to speak all right. We'll check out vibe and went to vanoise. Excuse Watch you this weekend. Coming Back Z.. Ladies and gentlemen vibe and went to van noise voice if you've been thinking about your home security there's no better time to get it then right now because right now simplisafe safe home. 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Eisen Chris Collins Worth and Bill Bell Jack Ladies and Gentlemen Tony Dungy Pat Coach. How's it going? How's life? How is everything in the coach Dungy world? Well I'm doing well. We just landed in Atlanta where actually broadcast in the game game Thursday night. Thanksgiving Game Falcons and saints so fired up and having fun. Well I think you do a great job on television because not only. Do you have an incredible resume but your ability to break down nuances of things is a lot of fun to watch speaking of breaking things down that blue ribbon team that our panel that had to decide the NFL all time team. How that was that whole process? Who else was in there? And I'm sure you enjoy the hell out of that in my right. It was a lot of fun. It was talented. No because you're trying to compare people people from different eras where statistics aren't the same. Don't mean as much You know you've got to figure out who was dominant and their era and compare them looked dominant minute today Great to be on with some wonderful people bill Poland. Obviously you know well bill. Belichick was amazing during the whole crosses a great historian. I think you're saying some of his personality. Come out on these show. A lot of the writers have been covering the League for years but it was it was difficult trying to go across generations and compare people. That's always the conversation between Jordan in the Bronx and players from the past and players of now is like well if Jordan had the same same training and technique practice at the guys have now. How much better would he be in for the guys of today going back then? If a guy was six four eight three hundred and fifty pounds assume assume he would have been a dominant offensive tackle back then to. It is very difficult to do that. Yeah and you look at Like Don Hudson who You know caught a thousand in yards worth of passes when the rest of receiving core in the League was averaging two hundred and fifty yards or three hundred. How do you compare that to what Jerry Rice? Then in his era and that's those are the conversations we had. He was pretty incredible. Well I think you guys have done a great job as far. I'm enjoying that show because you don't get a chance to see bill belichick act in a way that he's acting in this he's breaking things down from the history of the game you know you're talking about a guy who's had the most success in the history of coaching football to listen to him be a host. The show has been fantastic. Let's pivot now. At what point. Do you put Lamar Jackson on the. NFL's all time team is that now or is it next week Act We had I had Robert Griffin third. Going the same thing if you remember. He came into the lake by storm with making these seventy yard runs. And then how do you defend that. And Lamar you're playing outstanding planned fantastic but Let's let him stay healthy number one and then number two. But these pro coaches. Here's what I think is is going to happen. You Know Pat. How normally in the spring college coaches come to visit You're not as to get ideas on how to do things in place place. You're going to see all these different coaches go visit Alabama and visit Auburn and visit Clemson. And how do you guys defend these read option defend the RPO. You're going to see a different set of defense. WHO's next year Because the ravens have taken everyone by surprise with this offense that is what happened to rg three. And what happens to the wildcat. But I assume Michael Vick had a long run of success. How do you stop something? That is almost very difficult. Got To prepare for because it feels like Lamar Jackson can go off script and when somebody goes off script and can make a lot of places that's hard to prepare for right because you're training and practicing for if this then then this but with Lamar it's a complete different animal my Roland. You're absolutely right. It's like playing against Barry Sanders. You do everything right. You have a guy in position to make the play. He can't can't make the play because he's not a good enough athlete. And then Lamar goes forty yards with something that you had technically played right so that that's the problem album with him and the other thing I didn't think he would be able to do. This quickly. Is throw the ball so well so accurately and with so much poise from the pocket. I expected to say the-these Ron and and make him play. But now Uley people open. Because you're crowd. In the line of scrimmage he's hitting them at about ninety percent that's incredible edible. It is something to marvel at every time he steps on the field. He's made the game very exciting to watch it on the flip side of last night's game this. La Rams team looks completely dead. I'm in coach. They look bad. What is the big difference from last year whenever they were in the superbowl now granted and perform great and they might have got away with one fastener freelancer in New Orleans but last steer they took the world by storm this year? It seems like they're just have one big dud coach. What can happen in three hundred sixty five days to have that big of a change in a team they have lost off their Mojo on offense and I really think it starts with Todd Gurley? That was the hammer that they had. You had to kind of defend him like defend Lamar. We've got to commit everything we've got to stop the run and that opened up some easy throwing lanes. Well now they're not getting that and Jared Goff has to to create those passing place and it just. This hasn't happened so far so I think they've got to get their offense going again and specifically that run game. I think they're done for. I don't like I. Hey I heard your comment about the forty nine. Don't sleep on the niners now this. I don't think this game is going to be a twenty one point gain next week. I'm looking forward to seeing that. Because the there are some athletes on the forty niners. You love that you love defense. You love good defense. I think the forty niners team. I didn't give them enough. Respect your credit early because they hadn't played anybody anybody then they should have beat the seahawks if you make another kick and they've had a couple of big wins but this ravens team. I think the niners defense really feast on teams. That don't have good offensive of lines this Baltimore Ravens Offensive Line seems to be legit. You see things differently no they are. They this is GonNa be a great match up because you've got a tremendous offense and lying going against all those number one draft choice the offensive line and I think people if you love football. You'RE GONNA love to see this now. The thing I think believe it or not. Give San Francisco a chance this Monday night on the West Coast coming back losing a day. they're going to have to get that energy back they're young team and I think they I will but the the forty niners half day advantage on them. That is a big travel to I mean they. They have it at home though. I believe which is good for them. And it's tough to Get back until early this morning. And now you've got kinda rest up and try to get going so and then San Francisco. A lot of problems to prepare for. Their offense would kill kiddle back. They're able to run the ball now. It's going to be it's going to be a great game. I think I think so too. I'm excited for it. Those are my top two teams right now. My number three team and I think I only we have on there because of how dominant their defense has been in their special teams but their offense hasn't been able to click just yet. I assume they'll be able to figure out by the playoffs. Rex Ryan said I. I would love to coach against this New England Patriots team now granted. I don't think he's paying enough credit to the defense or to their special teams. But what do you think's going on in New England on offense side of the ball is in a lack of a weapon. Do you think they'll get it. Figured out by the time whenever it all he really starts the matter and now I think this is what they're going to be. They lost their center. It causes struggle. They're left tackles in and out they don't have big play receivers This is the team and they won the Super Bowl back in two thousand. I WANNA. Let's say two thousand one or two thousand three just like this with a running game and great defense opportunistic special teams. They know how to play that way. And you know uh-huh Peyton Manning Super Bowl in Denver that way with great defense good running game and timely passes. I think that's what you're gonNA see home today if they can keep home field advantage now if they lose another game and they have to go back to Baltimore. I don't think anywhere in the world. They went in Baltimore but if they get Baltimore up there in New England. They've got a chance. How big is field advantage for the defensive side of the ball? Oh a two on one. The other team has gone silent. Snap count that. That creates a lot of advantage for your defensive line weather condition for New England. They know how to play in that sloppy windy weather and just been at home resting up. Having your fans there the energy you get from them You know are super bowl year. We got down twenty one three If if you're on the road that's hard to come back from But when you have your crop behind energy It makes a big difference. Okay so big news this weekend for euro girl. Your School University of Minnesota College Game Day will be traveling to Minnesota coach. What are they in store for? And how excited are you that the gophers these are all the way back sky. You Ma well first time ever for College Game Day to be there. I think that's awesome. I've been following the team. The energy in the city the on campus has been up all year. The Penn state game was was phenomenal. And for those. That don't know this Minnesota Wisconsin game played for Paul Bunyan's bunions access to every year. No matter what the records are but now with the chance to make some big noise it's GonNa be great Saturday coach. PJ flecked flecked. He's an interesting guy man. I got a chance to chat with him. He makes me want to run through a wall. Have you gotten a chance to chat with you. Would you would love to play from. And you'd be his type of guy. He's somebody who dive into a river for No He's done a a great job of getting the excitement level of recruiting well and not only that but coaching will they. They are. Well coached thing so I'm really coach. Flex Flex Corner and then he's done a fantastic job. I coach before we let you go. I assume you're a very busy man. What was it like to coach? peyton manning was that a pain in the ass or was it awesome. It was awesome awesome. But you had to be prepared because every day he was gonna come in with question. Can we do this. Why don't we do that? I'd like to do things this way. And you've got to have answers and they better be good answer. I answered the wants. You did answer him. Then he was going to be a hundred miles an hour for you. He was gonna be the leader of the guy who pushed everybody else and he was a joy to coach coach. He was tremendous and Just I so much love and respect for him unbelievable. Well I think he would say the same exact thing about you. I didn't get a chance. It's a play for you but your words and your wisdom resonated through the building pasture time there. I enjoy watching you and Rodney and to Rico Sims and Florio. Oh every Sunday night. I think you do a great job in that. NFL All time team at eight o'clock eastern on NFL network. You help select has been a blast of watch as well coach. I can't thank you enough. Boss Hey thank pat great beyond with you love to chat with you again by the way. Did you do the kickers and punters of the all time team as well. Hard to really get a grasp on because you had some kickers who Johnston a rude who are kicking it. Sixty percent when everybody else's kicking their forty percents. What does that mean And how good was he when no one practice special team So those are the kind of thing that coach Belichick brought up that you had to take into consideration as love. That was even trying to coach. Dungy Ladies and drama. Thank you so much. 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Had a couple of practice the day before you know. It's a short week. You don't get to work on much on a piece of paper that was ratted tattered and torn apart. He starts drawing XS and os about a fake that he wants run tonight because he saw something on film. Tom McMahon says Eric swope. You're here you're gonNA run a drag route across you're GonNa Release Clayton gathers you're the P P you're going to want to run a wheel route on the backside pat you either. Throw it to swap if he's open or if not you close your eyes and throat as far as you can hear the wheel. Route of Clayton gathers rolling out of the backfield. Sounds good. Never a million years thought that a fake that was drawn up day of the game would get called because faced on ever get caught. anyways I get in the warm ups start slinging. The Rock around in warm ups like I do every single week I used to play catch with a lot of people like to showcase the arm a little bit so the other team has appeared a little bit so they don't bring as much pressure on the Puck Doc. Chocolate comes to me while he sees me slinging throwing pretty good. Today I was like Oh yeah okay good. I like what Tom showed me. I was like Oh might mark. Are we going to run this thing. Then we get out there. The first one were backed up. Punit Antonio Brown's returning dammit fair catch next one we do out there fourth within six in the Pooch territory and as I'm jogging on the field I see Tomek. Man's eyes are huge. And he's like I'm down fourteen ZIP already. I assume assume that the steelers think this is going to happen. Fourth and six and a pooch territory up fourteen. I'm like let's do it. I get to snap. I rolled the right Eric. swope used to play basketball at the University of Miami releases. I roll to the right. They drop into a safe mode right after. Read the safety who's coming coming crashing down deliver a dime to Eric Swap. who gets extra yards? It's tackled ultimately by Antonio Brown. That's a shame. I thought we were going to score a touchdown. There doesn't matter because we did a couple of plays later then on Monday. After that whole thing happened I hit the billionaire Strut obviously Veasley Mike. Tomlin hits one back to me for the next kickoff Darius Hayward Bay was on the other teams give me a round of applause and Mike Thank you boys thank you boys. They go on to win by thirty. Those are the only points we score on Monday. I get called into Grissom's office and find. We are now being joined by a man who's a super bowl champion. A two time improve buller spent eleven years in the NFL. Mostly at the saints. Wants a University of Alabama wrote ladies and gentlemen from Paris with love. Roman Kevin. Hart thank you guys. Thank you thank you a Bonjour saw value over there and we we land yeah we we winked your. What are you doing something by taking some pictures with that thing and take pictures with yeah actually did take what you have to have the flash off? That's the big thing you somehow. Another flash MESSES UP THE PAINTING. I don't really would have Yeah it's been pretty cool. I also noticed something my neighbor her in North Carolina actually there in Paris as well and she pointed something out to me that I have no idea French. Men have very narrow so now I can't stop looking at the everybody around you got somethin' ready to quit in war at any the war because I know they are defeated. Shot to the French brought us a lot of great things but also have a lot of terrible things in their passive asset being cowards floor the New Orleans Saints Right now team near and dear to your heart you want a super bowl with they are getting hot and Michael Thomas a lot people saying best player in football right now. Do you feel the same way. It's really hard to argue against it because everybody knows he's going to get the ball and you still finds a way to get tin catches every game like somehow another. He's still getting ten to twelve thirteen catches one hundred forty one hundred yards every weekend week out and he's facing the best offensive guys is that they have they're double team and they're doing whatever it is. And Sean Payton drew brees in those guys finding different ways to get creative to get Michael Thomas. The ball in this guy's a beast on the field deplace Hart He's he is attacking the ball all the time and not only that but his run after the catch is something sneaky that we don't give them credit for because he does doesn't just go out. He Claes with attitude all the time as a safety. Now when people talk about double coverage in your kind of watching it and everybody's like well it doesn't look like there's two people on them. It's always like a shade over the top right. Can you explain why double team in the NFL looks like so double team in the NFL. Look we're going to have a corner play inside and underneath and then the safety is going ought to be over the top for anything going deeper over over the corners head. So that's how you kinda take it away or you can do a slice technique with ub the nickel or the corner owner being shaded outside. So he's outside in high over the top and then I got inside say Safety coming down late to take away the inside and underneath routes so so that could be another double team or I know one time we got creative in the red zone against Calvin Johnson. We just said bump it which is going double jam revising. We just put two people in writing. Then that right there is the ultimate double team coverage when you just want him to guys just like jammers and say hey. We're going to get this guy and now the quarterback. It doesn't look his way. Okay so whenever you have four is on a guy like Michael Thomas at all times it sounds like how is he still getting one thirty. That good offense and all by Sean Payton nor is that strictly Michael. Thomas drew brees being on the same page. It's gotTa be both of those things first of all you know when you got doubts Dublin. That means they're trying to take him away. But I think I think thanks to a great job of putting Michael Thomas in the slot position where it's harder to double guys or if you do W have to show it right away so now now that allows you to show your hand as defense and all that kind of gives you an advantage. Drew 'cause that's what they do. They like a lot of empty sets to the put album. Camaro on the same side with Michael Thomson. Really Kinda make defenses. Kinda showed their hand. Because that's what teams are trying to take away when you're playing the New Orleans saints those guys so when you start doing that that allows for people like here cook there all of a sudden. Now he's coming alive and other things like that and then now you're not doubling these guys now I know exactly where I wanna go to ball in one on one. Nobody's covering Michael Thomas. Right right and also drew's very confident with all the ball to him. I think that he'd never drops the ball Andrews not accurate throwing it to them. It's catch percentages unreal when actually actually targeted. Okay so by the way thanks for breaking much smarter Tomorrow Night Perspective. You know what I mean. It's just a little bit. Well if you can give us from some perspective on the rivalry that the Saints Falcons that goes on tomorrow. Night the Falcons. Just a couple of weeks ago I mean came in to a buzzsaw in the superdome against a hot drew. BREES A hot Michael. Thomas made him look bad. Is that just a rivalry game off game. What are what people expect tomorrow? Night Saints Falcons I. I think it's really neat. This as a bounceback Nellie that put the forty niners do not lose right now so in mind. They're trying to get to the one seat. They're trying to get home field advantage. This game is bigger than just the normal Atlanta's versus saints rivalry game which it will be ratcheted up a little bit because of that but playoff implications are really big for the saints and now that Lanta filings supplants folders. I thought they were GonNA continue on this trend of playing well but then they get smacked by Tampa Bay all of a sudden. So who is Atlanta. Are they the real team like that showed up the last asked two weeks versus Carolina and the saints or what they saw just this past Sunday. So I'm really looking forward to it. I think the saints go out there and get this game because I thought the first gained sleepwalking. And just going through a we'll we'll get it right by the third quarter. We'll get it right by this. And then they never got it right and you look. Atlanta wins that game and they got some confidence built and things like that but now two weeks later. They're Kinda right back in the same of where they were. I think that's what people forget about. NFL players because they're in video games and they're all these things are human so that mindset of all we'll get it right that can really happen especially if you're playing against a team that's probably GONNA get blown up at the end of the season right now. Atlanta was supposed to be good this. I thought they were going to be a team that was in contention especially in the NFC south and now you look. They hadn't won a game all year long. You're facing and you're like yeah. We'll just go in just a mutt real cup. Coming off the bye five-week they were arrested. Like all the things that you were going to win this game easily and all of a sudden you get blown up and you get beat up you know. They sat drew four or five six times more than what what they'd had like all year. Long it's a crazy game and And so now you look at it. I think there's going to be more prepared to understand exactly what they're going to be getting into. I think Marshon lattimore needs is to play if he does not play. Julio Jones and Calvin really have a big day so I think Marshon lattimore will play a big role in this if he's healthy enough to go he's a heck of a DB back there. You said that the niners aren't gonNA lose. I actually disagree. I think whenever they take on the Ravens I think they are strictly because of this. Now listen to me. Hear Your Big Defensive Guy. I you've obviously watched an honors defense very dominant. It seems like what the cardinals in a couple of other the seahawks. If it's a good offensive line with a mobile quarterback that defense can't struggle by the way every defense can struggle with that but that might be that defensive script and you think Lamar Jackson in the Ravens have what it takes to go in and beat the not while they're at home but repeat niners and that defense I do just because the rates are having so much fun like they make me want to play football again they are having burn burn. They're winning and the plan with Swag. I mean this guy. The marks Axiom is is amazing with what he's doing right now and it's crazy because everybody doubt him and said he couldn't do these things that he was doing in college he's kind of doing the NFL and making everybody looked and it's funny because just because it deepens in Oh you know. You're running the option and things like that ransom ops in high school so the defense in has you has the quarterback but when the quarterback somebody the best athletes on the field. It's a problem because the diene is not the best athletes. So did you get him in. Space against the guy like the Mark Jackson. He doesn't even stand a chance. And then next you know he's on to the second level third level and he's reading by linebackers and safety so it's it's just a really hard problem with that but it's like it's like preparing against Navy right like you said that you don't see every week defensively so do not Houston to see and these like having three sets or running game that straight downhill you so much seeing you see so much more spread out. Offense is doing now more eleven personnel. Where Baltimore is going back to school and things that you're not used to seeing prepare for defensely makes it so hard to get to get a good grasp of that in just just one week? That's such an interesting thought because bill belichick was born and raised in the Navy football program that coach there for forty years and even he had problems with the Mark Jackson. I'll be excited to see if anybody can stump him. You mentioned college. It's talk about college. Do you still follow college. Football roll tide and all that stuff. I mean that's the only ball not really follow. I mean the the NFL teams pay. Check my house no more they grow tad okay. They're currently sitting outside at number five looking in. Its Dodge Football playoff but a lot can happen in the SEC. How do you feel about Ohio? State being ranked one over Lsu unless you clemson three Georgia four. Right now. With Obama sitting at five I think Ohio State's been the best team costs Papaya. And just when you look look at their body of work look this guy just feels his is off the chain. He's got a big arm. He's a problem. I don't know the Alabama we don't WanNa face for real defense isn't good so I'm a little nervous. They don't have to do a lot of different shaky things. I'm kind of nervous and as Alabama Fan. I don't know if I can deal with another loss like the trollers are real. It might just be happy. Go to a bowl game. It just winning a bowl game like okay. We don't get enough credit for winning your last game of the year. Like that's a big doc. Deal in college football so I think. LSU's beat the best amount of teams like the best teams in the NCW this year but their defense is what's going to separate them versus versus Ohio state who I think that Guy Shawn can go out there and win you a game himself right now. CLEMSON's really playing. Well I think they're. They're on the way up right now. They're planning they're trending thing in the right direction. And then you've got Georgia four but I think Lsu beat Georgia and then that probably will put us back in and Organ losing to other week really hope to because now they got out the way to with you know. That's another thing. I don't think people understand like winning and colleges so hard to do weekend a week out because you're dealing with eighteen year old kids. Somebody might have broken up with their girlfriends. Somebody might be emotional about this like things happen when you're eighteen nineteen years old. Yeah and you got school as well. I mean I mean there's a lot of things that play into it. I mean girlfriend though is Alabama. I didn't think about school. Ask the Car Dale Jones last week and he had that tweet where we're getting paid to play football Paul not to go to school or whatever and he's actually like a scholar that guy out of nowhere What is now? What happens if Utah goes undefeated in the PAC? Twelve Twelve K. They go undefeated and they don't make it into the top four. What does that say about the college? Football playoff selection process and everything like that because Maxwell by all accounts. This is one of the biggest conferences in all football. This team could run the table when it and still be outside looking in on a couple one loss teams that have made it in. What do you think that is well? I think the big thing is you have to. You have to win to get in like you can't lose games in the PAC twelve like you just can't do it and Utah lost one early. That's GonNa seems like he's GonNa come back to haunt down and I know they're running the table in the PAC twelve but the loss early hurt them the same way it Kinda. You know it really Alabama download. You look at it because everybody wants to talk about Alabama's strength of schedule. It is weak but it's also because everybody. Sec West has gotten terrible right and the one time you know. You've got Tennessee on the on the east. They've they've been terrible so you really can't control who you're playing and then outside the the other teams that you know you can't not everybody wants to schedule a Alabama you. It's hard to schedule Games. You know at a conference games against Alabama's will because people just don't line up to play them so you do this so you look at the count of like the loss was to who and right now. Alabama has the best loss of all the one loss teams when it comes from Lsu. So that's why I think they get the nod but I do understand that argument because you want champions into the whole system and it's just it's just bad because the PAC twelve football as a conference has gone down the last few years and has not got the credit. Then maybe they they should deserve or maybe they need to continue to play up like with the same issue. Be happened if we had. USC in the same compensation no. That's exactly what I'm saying. So I think the Los tailless why that's because it's Los Angeles I think everybody you know what I mean. I think that that's exactly what it is. It's tradition and everything like that now. The interesting thing and be we'LL BE IF MINNESOTA GOES on to win. The Big Ten Championship in Beats Ohio State. Ohio state has one loss in the championship is house. They drop out of the top four all of a sudden as minister jump in Georgia lost to South Carolina. Almost loss Kentucky there is. There's so much subjective conversation sation that has to happen. I think that's why they keep everybody but the organization and not a murderer this back. Ah I think that the best thing that happened to Oregon d was Oregon losing so now he's not going to get killed for not putting his own team in not standing up to make sure his don't team gets in if they win the PAC twelve. Now I look. You're right. That will be a cluster. You know what if own house Ecuador's this because these teams they need to so get it like these teams need to win Clinton's another team if they slip up somewhere half could you not WANNA put Clemson. And they've been this good all year long. And now you got all this jumping up group for these one loss teams. Had you picked one in not only that but Alabama without to talk about Louis and they said they would include injuries when it comes to all these things so I and how does it. How do you not so trust me if I'm the playoff committee? I want these teams to say undefeated so I can just slowly select. My team. Keeps getting them in. And don't let these other teams. It's just hey look if you don't have to part you can't complain about how the Party wasn't fun. I was just saying if if Georgia does beat Lsu and then Minnesota does beat Ohio state. Who knows what's going on? It's a complete. It's a complete nonce that it has to go to eighteen five champions three at large keeping moving essence. Waco's speaking to keep moving. Hey Good luck on the rest of your vacation over there. Check out those thin shoulders makes you like real alpha over over there. Get your incredible man. Laser Gentlemen Hey roll. Tide Messy beaucoup Oku. Ola bought the New College Football playoff rankings at the top the rankings. There is a new team at the top of the mountain. The Ohio State Buckeyes are now officially the number number one ranked college football team in the country number TWOS LSU number. Three's Clemson number force. Georgia Number Five Bama Number six Utah number seven Oklahoma number eight Minnesota Nine Baylor ten penn state. Now let's go right back to the top of the Ohio State Lsu. I've been saying now for what we going to happen. LSU gave up six hundred fourteen yards so miss. If you have a defense that has the ability to give give up that amount of yards you would think in a big time game. There's a chance that could happen again. Everybody's saying well. They're strengthening schedule is already been immaculate. And they haven't really got bitten the buck by that far. They'd beat Alabama in Alabama. I understand all of that. I very much understand all that but justin fields quarterback for Ohio state. Let's assume that if the OLE miss quarterback who I should know his name drink water six hundred fourteen yards of against Lsu. Let's assume the Justin fields the most efficient guy in college football be able to do the same chase down the best defender in all of college. Football's also on that team and their punter and kicker good I like go how state at number one even if their strength of schedule hasn't even touched what Lsu has yet because Lsu's in the SEC. They still have to play either Minnesota. Wisconsin they still got a a couple games where they could find a hiccup or loss. LSU could do the same damn thing. I guess but for me this looks like this setting up how it should be even though if you're Clemson vannier sitting there like hey we are still the reigning champions. We have still yet to lose and we are still getting hot in hotter and hotter so as long as you're it doesn't matter but for me I think right with Ohio state at one. Yeah I stayed offensively and even sleep. There's no there's no weakness to their team. And then if they beat Michigan and Wisconsin onset or Minnesota. Those are two great wins. There's no way they're leaving number one no way well. They weren't number one at one point and then they won by fifty and then he dropped the number down. It was like well. What are you smell Georgia George in the in the championship? Sec Championship most likely. or Yes. But I still don't think the win against Georgia versus wins against Michigan and Minnesota. Hello probably else you Ohio state. Well the thing about it is in Greenie set at this morning that they don't want Lsu and Alabama playing each other in the College Football playoff they would rather have that be the championship as opposed to the first round game. Which is interesting me? Would you rather have. Sec Teams Championship. Or would you rather have them play in the first round. I don't know how much that one makes sense to me. I would like to dig deeper into greenies brain there and why he would think they would think that for me. I think honestly it's just strictly because of the six hundred fourteen yards defense. gave up in how Ohio State doesn't seem to have quantum granted. There's a little bit of a meltdown that happened there against Penn State for a couple of drives Penn state back in the game but Ryan Day Ohio Ohio state cut back on track in the fact that they lose urban Meyer and have gotten better is hilarious to me that Ryan Day guy by the way swag I heard them talking to the the band and the vans two and a half hours before the game he was like. Hey we're GONNA kick their ass like he is just like he is the tell. Tell it how it is. I think his players rally behind him. I assume Ohio State's got a guy for the next ten years and Ryan Day. Good for him. Good for them but for me. I think states the most complete team even though Joe Borough and what else has done on the opposite side of the ball has been nothing short of impressive their defense can step up and make some plays for me. Justin fields as the heisman winner. He's the most efficient quarterback I think football maybe ever seen with his stats with turnover ratio. To touchdown. That sounds produce. Joe Borough though in in that same locker room with Ohio State league goes LSU resurgent down there with coach. Oh I think they got a lot of people on the show last night. The revealing show said they think Utah is going to jump Alabama if they went out and I just don't I don't see that I don't see how that happened. Well for the the sanctity of the leaves PAC act twelve if Utah goes undefeated in dominant right and college. Football playoff committee says well we picked pick the best four teams with teams. Have losses with things that you all these other things. You Bury The PAC twelve if you do that now granted. I've gotten a chance to talk to a couple of PAC twelve coaches. How they feel like there is a bias against them anyways in this entire thing because there on the left coast they play at night? But if you do that in Utah does go undefeated and they do win Out and you don't let them in your basically telling the PAC twelve you guys are might as well be the American conference you might as well be matting you have no chance of making it in. What's the purpose purpose of them? Being in a power five there is none. So I think that's what people are saying that potentially on television to generate that conversation. But I think this is the wrong the system it's better than a BCS system which is when the NCAA sold their right to name a champion. They sold their right to the BCS name champion quite out what at the NC Double A.. Did you go to the hall of fame back whenever there was the BCS thing they had the division two champion there because that was the only champion. They were allowed to name because they sold their right to these. Yes so whenever these yes was having everybody knew it was crap who's who's the Karaka Karaka poop so there's now is a little bit better matter but I don't think we have gotten to perfection yet. I think you have to have an eighteen play on. I just think you have to all the champions. The power five three largest so then this Utah. Conversation isn't even run because you're GONNA have a lot of upset people in the PAC twelve and not only are the coaches and players upset. Let's talk about the fans of the pack twelve. What do I even care about these things for a chance to win the championship anyways? What are they going to win the Rosebowl awesome? That's nothing yes. There's a lot of history and tradition to it and it's cool to get the chance to play in the Rose Bowl but if you're not in the playoff anymore you might as well just a day. It's kind of a shame to be honest with you. Get it right though. 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Patriots' greatness, ALCS preview, Browns' struggles, Rob Gronkowski

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Patriots' greatness, ALCS preview, Browns' struggles, Rob Gronkowski

"Mr Chris Carter this right here is nick right we are all coming off a late night of watching football so it's going to be a spicy variety show for you at home he's the first things first I'm general that's the hall of fame a six thirty A._M.. Eastern for Chris Carter Nick Right on Jenna Wolfe so on everybody. VP rankings we did on the show and he is only upped his play week by we keep played a perfect football game last night Kyle Van Noy one of the players that says this is this a great team they didn't look to me like a great team last night they didn't look like a great offense last night they looked like a team that not only was taking advantage of the schedule great defense the defense and special teams have scored five touchdowns the defense has allowed three touchdowns that's how good this defense touchdown pass go up twenty eight fourteen later in the fourth Tom Brady would punch it in for his second rushing touchdown of the game oldest player but in this schedule this team being depleted due to injuries I don't think you could watch last night's game and more injuries rack up for the Patriots on the offensive side it's the events a great defense led by Corner Stefan Gilmore has to be the leading contender for defensive player of the year through a few weeks he had made the with the scoop and score gets the pats on the board seven nothing second quarter giants get back in this Daniel Jones finds golden state that's a sixty four yard touchdown giants with I five games and now the six games are the Patriots team or are they taking advantage of shockingly they have won a soft schedule will they are one of the on Sunday that's GonNa be a great match up the rams might be without Todd Gurley when the niners come to town but we gotta start with some Thursday night football in ever by the way with two rushing touchdowns pats win thirty five fourteen to remain undefeated at six here is Tom Brady after the win stats like they all say this is an all time great defense we are watching that might be led by for the first time in my memory on a patron foxborough you got Tom Brady and the Patriots hosting the giants race I pass of the game it'll go nineteen yards to Sony Michelle and with that he moves past remaining for second most passing yards all time next up by the way drew brees later in the first giants punt is blocked boy the pets do that a lot rookie chase win And feel great about where their offense is even though you in the game you see they have thirty five points this is a special defense the greatest coach of all time and a quarterback who gets more of a benefit of doubt than any quarterback ever because he's earned it but I don't think there's a great football team because one major facet the few plays you know that would have been pretty good so we're hanging in there I nick this is the question that we've been asking for of their game the offense I don't think that good right now in most of the time in the NFL especially with parody they're not a lot of great teams in the Leisure now which you guys always just say we're system guys in we don't get enough credit he had a nice little our name names well Kyle van Noy Scoop and score he did the thing they teach you not to do in seven but that Pat's top ranked defense would prevail forcing the fumble and then returning it there it is twenty two yards third normal September struggle so new England out of respect three times back to back to back super bowls I'll give them that but this is the least offensively I think that right now we'll reserve great and say right now we got some good teams Kansas City's good San Francisco is good greatness eh one grouping there in the second half I don't think that's ever happened in twenty years but defense played great special teams play great outside ah they're really talented and we expected them to be great but when we looked at the schedule we knew the schedule was going to be very very saul we didn't think they were going to have of is teams that will have great seasons teams that will have great units and the Patriots we know you're great organization their defense we're going to give them that announced is playing at a level of greatness but I would say it's a combination we give them credit we thought the defense was going to be good you cannot replace all the we'll have to see a lot more and what does say about this patriots team that the last two weeks against Washington now gets the giants they were both in those games yeah you could say they have a cupcake schedule but founded offensive players last night they lost Josh Gordon you could see that offensive line they're going to continue to have problems weekend and week out there tight ends see we one happy to get to know so yeah we we just grind it out pretty good kind of forced into one group in the first half and it's nine seven with thirty seconds left even though you end up pulling away it's going to be close last night it's twenty one fourteen in the fourth doing loom which is reached for the pylon peak into being a touchback but he goodness it was eighty four right absolutely because that game was still in the balance at that point in time this is a great so like if you were even so take let's the other team in the AFC the chiefs this week. Notwithstanding great offense really questionable defense I mean they are mash unit like bear they only have one tied in it was last night there was healthy at the end of the football game so when you look at the holes that they have best defensive teams through six weeks of the season the league's ever had every number says so who regular stats like points per game allowed advanced that got the defense and special teams scoring couldn't bloom right I mean that's what it means is a and that's why the margin of error for teams that are great replacement level players all along the skill position that's got to be a concern for New England as they approach the portion of their schedule they play two teams that aren't supposed to be very good that we're within striking distance of the New England patriots blow teams out when you don't have a great offense the I mean that's what it means what it means teams have in common is their offense is the big question mark on their team we saw it again last night with knowing yeah we do trust Radi more we're Brady's the only one of those three two can't move it this is a different type of formula we have right now the three best defenses in football all have one thing in common you do not trust their offense that is the buffer oh bills the Chicago bears and the New England Patriots now obviously you trust Brady more than entrust trubisky Josh Allen I'm not saying they're the same but what those three when they look great they are blowing people out because they're you know what I mean you've got to try to keep pace with them you get out of your game they can be up thirty one to thirteen and coast home go team last night was the least how team of the last four years so typically we don't it's hard to reach greatness early in the season that d CBS to face the New York Yankees and man Jose Altuve was a big reason why finish this series with three home runs nick this is the matchup that we all want autumn became the all-time leader postseason run for a second baseman. This is the best team in baseball the Houston Astros against the best lineup in Baseball Chris Eighty won't be armed strength it won't be old it's the wear and tear the licks from Washington game last night the overall toll on his body in the Astros escaped divisional round last night beating the race six to one they advanced to the AL wanted the Astros and the Yankees would you WanNa see why I'm so excited for this this is what the entire baseball season was leading up to shut out by the way to Jose Altuve who last night do you put the browns woes on Odell or on the relationship between Odell and Baker or Adel just coming up a little bit short this season considered one even though I consider him obviously the greatest quarterback of all time man he's got a tough job right now the offensive line is not very good and those I don't know who he's throwing think Tom Brady is going to be discussed moving forward he didn't throw a touchdown he had to restaurants but didn't throw a touchdown hasn't looked fantastic over the course of the last couple of weeks yes part of it's the offense so with questionable offense lines and that offensive line to we are going to be talking about that offense and it will be storyline of the season because if tom became the all time major league leader for postseason home runs by a second baseman he thinking about that Jose Altuve as ruined the he's probably got another decade playing bass great defensive teams would struggle offensively so much smaller because you can't get a team in the negative you can hold it teams zero your team to seven but if you're up in struggles like it didn't wash Brady got hit we're not expecting it which is something you almost never see his his pocket awareness is so great but also while I've been of the there aren't many Tom Brady critics so I'm kind of because which is what fear Fan of the game this is what you want the disastrous top three pitchers ninety six million this year the raise is a team sixty four million this series I hope it doesn't take something away from the world series because what's happening on the other side but this should be a great great series race had a great series but it's nice to see the astros plenty ASCII I don't know who that is Jacoby Myers undrafted free agent who had a nice pre season right now he's there second-best Healthy Receiver Age Julian Edelman around him even though you look at the roster you're going to say Cleveland has a better roster but now he has the face cloudy and Ziggy so now what happens when he flush now quarter up until that Kyle and by the way the Patriots defense or special teams had already scored a touchdown still close right on another blocked punt tackling his are trying to make them fall on his face right so now what happens is you we always talk about the sophomore slump right and we haven't really seen the current quarterbacks there's an elite when you start getting anointed and crown started talking stuff speaking on other people rosters I told you guys Monday about how I knew that he had piss people off how both of us at zero I'll put it on bicker fake fill you know that's usually what happens what happens is he scratched a nerve and when you know what it is you scratch nerve with the you know the veterans and going to rely number eighty yesterday and I was like I swear to God at Amendola anymore and what was Gunnar Olshevsky I think is his name misguided and I think it speaks to one Christmas concerns which is how many guys in that locker room have been through a playoff race how many of those guys climbed up part of it might also be Tom Brady threw little pick in this third straight game had the strip sack where he just thought he thought his tight end was going to be able to push that guy away from him he wasn't able to was in Baltimore presents a lot of those same problems so I think Cleveland's got some real issues and I think Odell looking for the bright side and two and three is a little two and three does feel awful now the browns they're season's not over and we all knew that the back half of their schedules where things really soft and when you have Cincinnati you WANNA play three receivers one tight in one back spread the field out still run the ball the spread formation they like calloway all right the trouble receiver just coming off the if they don't win this game on Sunday it's going to be very hard to survive this first half of the year it's going to be a difficult situation for Cleveland because the style for which they're trying to play the Golden State that scrappy physical that can run through tackles so now you look at Baker Mayfield what does he face this week and hero del talking about yeah we're two and three well playbook take more ownership offense too early so now he's trying to do too many things because he doesn't have the weapons that he needed remember I said earlier this week to his house was built on suspension you could see they tried to get him in the game plan Odell throwing the ball as much he's throwing the ball it lets you know they're trying to get involved in the game plan not the way you get a star receiver back and take steps back nope he's one of the first guys that have that sophomore slump and take a step back but as for reason is because they thought that he was ready to take more in Iraq that up to two and four because now you have another problem now you have your face another team has built physicality and you got a lead quarterback naked elevate his players evolved into game plan because what they have now Jarvis Landry has been very consistent the their problems have not been is not bakers fault it's not have playoff success because two and three dozen feel that bad yeah if you're used to own five if you're used to one and four but if you're used to foreign one if you're used to competing for division I agree with a lot of what you said except that last point I would not be shocked off the Browns win this game okay their season has gone loss win loss win loss the they've been the definition of inconsistent there's one of your concerns but they also when you not the elite quarterback part not yet but what you described with Seattle sounds a lot like Baltimore and they played their Best Game Baltimore Baltimore is trying to replace the real socks they're soft over there in Baltimore right now neil they look good they're flashy and have some physical players they're soft at the edges here's a classic matchup I'm looking forward to it we got our stage manager Joe he's like Yeah Brigham Astros would I wouldn't mind having to raise it should be a great great he's not the Kinda guy that can lead in a culture he's gotta learn he had one since he's been in the League he's GonNa play off one times so for the thing New York Yankees I'm so glad Garrett Cole pitch that Jimmy did last night eight eight innings to hits cable one home run and that was it because it sets up this matchup that'd be waiting for all the fact that they even got on Astros I think we're hold payroll data Landry's eating because he's the guy that's the guy you know yeah we know Dell's guy that can catch us landed ticket eighty-five we saw it against jets but we know Landry's too tough guy that choice when you have when you have Miami when you have a wounded Pittsburgh team twice these need survive this first half of the year but with the game after this one being at New England and now he's is are starting to come down in see the rush opposed to fill in a rush and keeping his is now through to make those plenty very very careful Seattle Seattle is one tunes at this point when you have when you need a win desperately to obesity don't need to be talking about getting me the ball and getting involved you need a win and Obi Jay they understand what it takes to win ten game what it takes to win your division they don't Freddie Kitchens understand that locker room understands who and I will with Josh Gordon Injure there is no hiding the lack of weapons for Tom Brady and the offense enter let's get one negative play because of the lack of productivity half tackles then it puts them behind schedule than what Baker has play hero ball you can't play hero ball consistently we second win came at Arizona team that searching for who would actually is and so there yet to face a real road tests this season I think they will one rob Gronkowski the three time super bowl tied in the shirtless tight end is enjoying retirement clearly but Robert Kraft is leaving the door in your life wow where's the championship pedigree where's the playoff pedigree where's the peak care experience where is the leadership so when they're on the road sometime there are different team we've BJ's fault it's their offensive line's fall because when you have a bad offensive line that becomes hard to play will Baker's plan in the League he wasn't the he didn't see last year because he wasn't that's what's going potentially happen this weekend I know to that point I know they're two on the road this year that one first win came at Pittsburgh when Ben Rothlisberger got injured this open for a return saying quote we all love Gronk so we can always pray and hope see what do you make of that I just think HBO and decided to do that. I decided just on that phone call that I could come because I never thought about coming back before that and because of someone else's injury they're not bobby wagner isn't going allow Nick Chubb to run crazy they're going to keep them make Baker have to go through eight and twelve play drives he can't sustain it because all they have to do ages are set to go and when he tries to release an escape he's GonNa get pulled up throwing off the back foot and that's what a pass is going to come they are in trouble and in trouble right now so don't take the League for granted don't take the type of work the type of stamina type of focus that it takes to be an NFL player and that's why I ended up league always had a great deal of respect for but there was one time I dropped my guard and that's when I retired after the two thousand one season had gone into broadcasting working with the season hung forty on Bolton Russell Wilson with no I under- right I get that part of it that's why not the elite quarterback part but we're talking about the problems that Seattle's defense good the proper amount of respect that you need to have playing in NFL so to me there's two different ways look this one is from the perspective Chris laid out which is if he were to come back Iran and two weeks later I'm in the hospital my kidneys are working twenty percent so yes I know we're sitting around San Yeah Gronk Gronk should come back they need another tight end think about like where I was all the things I had done leading up to having the type of career I had I had none of those things in place and I took that what I knew about the League for down oh I can go out there and go to the gym because we had a bye week I can do it for a couple of weeks get right back into shape no this game we should have more respect for Baker get comfortable and they're going to sit or kneel win they're going to they're going to sit early they're gonNA press bill that cover three and they're gonNa make sure today take a deep out and make sure that Baker can't release the ball earlier rookie ten touchdown record that's why we saw the accuracy I still believe that Baker Mayfield is an elite leader but you have a lot of things to build a learn about this league Freddie they know they just hold up for a second those edges are going to come in and when it feels like the baker is to walls closing in on him and he feels like you know what let me get rid of the ball because he started to take a lot of hits at home and they're one team on the road agree oh back and look at their record since Pete Carroll has been there they play with energy and everything sometime on the he be able to function put that on the side of the table for another moment the other side is would the patriots tried to get him to come back and that's a discussion we had a lot before the year which is I find so interesting I think where you're at on where you believe the Patriots are as far as level of desperation because last night during the game you tweeted draw meaning to his tackles are so weak that it doesn't matter who you have a receiver if I don't have the time for survey survey to fill all I can do is throw quick stuff to landry we're going to do what's best for them they didn't hear grunts interview they didn't hear Gronk crying when he said football had taken me to a dark place they didn't hear all that they disregarded that when the hospital with my Kennedy's not working because I thought played fifteen seasons already I know how to do this they only want me to play in the red zone they only want me to play scrambling around he wasn't trying to run for his life he was picking a guy getting his eyes on them and letting it fly to them and that's why we saw the league ability that's why we saw the off-season my home has always been in Florida last twenty five years so very familiar with the organization and they were a potential spot for me to land until I got the offer we'll mahomes mahomes running around to be great all the time we just need to be consistent but you can't do that when you can't protect your edges so the key for Seattle is just don't let is the opposite of the Patriot way this is what people don't get about the Patriots that being super bowl or no super bowl they're always desperate to improve their roster perhaps it yeah I'm praying I'm hoping really well but so doesn't that speak to you to their level of desperation because in the offseason when we talked about you don't wanNA stack they're desperate they're desperate to win they're desperate to improve that that's what they do so they don't wait for just an emergency for desperation placement level and then one of those replacement guys got hurt yesterday I do imagine that they would love to come back that they will try to get him to come back the thing that we you improve your roster by hooker by crew either by draft by free agency or by the streets are by the fail anyway you can improve your the long history of guys trying to come out of retirement and not necessarily being ready to play notwithstanding given who right now they're tight ends are given that they were on going to be able to practice and I have no stamina because I have not worked out as if I was getting ready for NFL season well then I'm confused if that's the case oster that's what you're supposed to do and that's the New England way it's not oh we gotta tight end hurt you think they needed Hernandez when the head grump no at this one thing we all agreed on was having a player not be a part of the program in the off season in the regular season parachute in November type take for granted though is even that replacement player even that guy's got less town is better prepared at this point he's been through the whole off season ballfields right he's not a piece of meat the guy was in tears saying football had me in a very very dark place we forget that so we just get where you're sending them out there agean the Patriots if he was willing to come back would want him to come back that they didn't I mean they tried Benjamin Watson Midrand Watson is older than groggy live little leaving bligh right and you talk about the difference between a championship pedigree team like Seattle and you talk about you try And I heard Mr Cross last night during this interview and everything I just think people and and and I was guilty of this one time in all my years of dealing with the they're always in the sense of desperation they will always look at a player regardless of what their situation was they didn't need a receiver when they added Randy Moss but they will I want yeah they they have more versatility just because who gronk is now he's not going to build a run down the field but they have more pass protection gronk not lifting weights is a better level anymore so now we're going to rush back because the Patriots need him I'm more concerned about Iraq than I am the Patriots I think football game and 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GSMC Fantasy Football Podcast Episode 385: AFC Defense Rankings

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GSMC Fantasy Football Podcast Episode 385: AFC Defense Rankings

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Show for you today. So many kick off the show by ranking the afc defenses and do it division by division. Talk about the defenses. That i think you should definitely consider drafting for your teams in fantasy when it comes to the afc. Then i'm going to do a schedule. Outlook on the atlanta falcons and talk about the favorable and unfavorable matchups in their schedule. Then for the third segment. I will do a draft rankings of the players in the afc south and then i will conclude the show by ranking the positions in fantasy and talk about their value ranked their draft value. What you know talking about standard leagues Dynasty leagues npr leagues. And all that kind of stuff. So let's get right into the first segment which is ranking the defenses in the afc. So starting off with the afc east. So honestly looking at the defenses in the afc. I think they're going to be solid units and improved units this year across the board. I really believe that But coming in last. I would say the jets is probably the one that i would say is probably gonna be the one that doesn't have a lot of value and i don't think a lot of people are gonna put a lot of stock into the jets defense when it comes to fantasy now. I do think they're going to be an improved unit this year. You know especially with the editions that they made and guys that are coming back after opting out last year you know. Cj moseley's coming back after opting out they brought in sheldon rankings. Over from the saints to go with quinton williams as well on the defensive line and colin quinn williams is actually living up to his you know his billing as the house pick the jets took a couple years ago and now he could be even better because of robert sala coming in and you know we know how he was with the forty niners and i and i just i like where the jets are going. I really do. I think they're going to be a scrappy team this year. I think they're going to be team that nobody is going to. it's not going to be a cakewalk against the jets like it has been in years past but when it comes to their defense i i would say that they're probably more of a streamer option. Just because you know we got to see how the linebackers are this year. You know the the the secondary you know they do have some good playmakers in the secondary like marcus. Maye but overall i think that when it comes to their fantasy value i think they're kind of one of the i think they are the weakest defense in the division when it comes to fantasy and against not knock on the jets i like i said they have playmakers but i think when it comes to fantasy the probably more of a streamer option and it's kind of one of those things where if you have a defense on a bi week and you're looking to pick up a defense you know depending on what matchup they have that particular week. You know you pick them up and let's see how they do. They're going to be an improved unit. So i think as the season progresses they could be you know who knows they could be. Maybe a hot defense. You wanna pick up. You know in. Start but i think as of right now. They're kind of more of a streamer option. And it's like a wait and see approach. But like i said i think all the defense in this division going to be solid units so then coming in at number three in the division i'm going to have to say is new england patriots that they're going to be like the jets are going to be an improved unit this year. I mean i'd still think they're a little bit of a notch up over the jets. Just because i think that they have a better secondary but you know they broke guys. Like kyle van noy. You got dante hightower coming back from you know often out because of covid you know. So they're kind of in a similar situation with the jets in terms of you know guys coming back but they bring in you know the faces like i just said kyle van noy. So i think the pass rush. Let's the other pass rushes. i think that's kind of the weakness of the defenses. Their pass rush You know we don't really know what the story is was defined gilmore. Because it looked like they were gonna trade him. And then i don't. I don't believe anything happened with that. So you know maybe they do. May trade with gilmore. Right now he's still on the roster so we'll have to wait and see but i think that you know with guys coming back after opting out from covert and i feel like that they made on defense. I think the patriots overall. We're going to be a better team. I feel like they do have a little bit more value than the jets. Do i think they'll find their way. On some people's teams They could be another streamer option depending on the match ups that they have on a particular week but overall this is a solid unit. I think and i think overall the team's going to be better. But i would say that the other two teams in division. I feel like we're gonna have more value to them as opposed to the patriots. Because i think the other two teams in the division are a little bit better than the patriots. So they're moving on. We got the miami dolphins now. This is a team that i just really have not talked about in terms of their defense. You know their defense is is really underrated. They got two nice corners and byron jones and exhibit howard. You know they got you know. They got a nice they. They signed drum baker to an extension. You know so. This team is pretty good on defense. And i think that you know they're gonna find their way on a lot of teams. Miami's going to be a really good well rounded team this year. You know. Brian florez has done a really nice job rebuilding this team. And i feel like you know what this another defense that i think people are going to. You know. I say streamer option. I think it's a. It's a notch up from the patriots. I think it's gonna find its way on more teams I think that you know for me. I like to carry two defenses on my team at a time. So they're probably you know defense that you know my be my my backup or you know. Definitely depending on who they're playing. I would obviously start him. But they're definitely a defense that you can't go wrong drafting them. They're going to be improved this year. And they're going to be. I think they're going to be good again this year. They should be there. Like i said there are good. Well rounded team. Then you've got buffalo. Now when we think of the bills rethinking of their offense. But i think that you know the defense like i said it wasn't really not that it was bad last year but there was something off with their defense. I feel like this year. Maybe they figure some stuff out and you know they find their way on you know people starting lineups think. It's you know the bills defense. The bills are going to be really good team this year. You know they're they're probably going to correct some of the mistakes that you know. They made last year and their defense hopefully is better. I mean they still got guys like your employer. Mike hide you know they got you know they got some playmakers on this defense. You know this defenses. It's still a solid unit. It's i you know took a massive step back. Just there was something off with it but I think it's probably going to be the number one defense taken you know in this division and it's definitely going to be. It's going to be a start every week. You know and and i think that's really in large part. Because of what of the expectations at the bills. Have going into the season so yeah that's kind of my rankings. For the afc east defenses so moving onto the afc south so coming in last should not be on a single team all year. The houston texans. Okay this defense was really bad. Last year they lost. Jj watt. they don't they. Don't have anything on this defense. I mean they have nothing. I mean they are. They are so far away from what they were a couple of years ago. Not to say that they were you know like the you know the no fly zone with the broncos or the legion of boom with the seahawks defense but it was a solid unit. They did have the honey badger. One point tyron matthew you know they had. Jj watt whitney mercilus clowney. Good defense respectable defense. Now i mean forget it. They are just they are terrible. I don't know what they're going to be really bad this year. I mean i guess. I'll say if they have a good matchup and you're super desperate. I i mean. I guess you know have added if you want to do for jokes have added but i mean this team is going to be terrible. Don't even bother with the texans. Stay away from that defense. I will be shocked if i see anybody. That has has the texans defense on their rosser unless it's a joke obviously detroit mi but Yeah to stay away from this defense then moving on to i believe i have. Yeah i have the jags next. You know not really a defense that you probably would get You know they're not what they were back in two thousand seventeen. They didn't lose pretty much. Everybody from that that That team you know in three years which is incredible that basically none of those guys are on that team anymore. But you know what the jaguars. Let's see what they do now with. Urban meyer is the head coach. You know they I think that you know they're going to be a scrappy team this year as well like the jets but i. I don't think that like the defense is gonna warrant any value. Any defense is better than the texans so you know if the jaguars have a good match that week per like against the texans. It's probably one you would pick them up and stardom you know. Unless the showing washington's quarterback show will be but Yeah outside of that and maybe any other match ups that are enticing. I would probably stay away. From the jaguars defense and then the titans defense you know. Listen they brought him. Bud dupree you know to kind of bolster the pass rush but again this defenses is also really not that good as well I think they do warrant a little bit more value than the other two defenses that i just named but you know what they're missing his pass rushing now having to rely on Bud dupree coming back from an acl. Tear is going to be kind of tough. I think he's definitely going to help them out. But i don't know necessarily if that's going to you know completely change the dynamic of this defense and make it a a realistic about in fantasy. You know prayer team now again like the Like the The jaguars you know when they're starting to texans. Hey that's a perfect match up to start against the You know the texans is cricket. The titans defense. Because now shawn watson is to be there now. The shawn watson is there then you probably you're going to want to stay away from the titans defense because watson torched the titans defense last year both of those games were shootouts and they were some of the best games of last year really those two games. One of them was the forty two to thirty six game in tennessee where the titans won an overtime in the other. One was thirty. Eight thirty five and the titans kick a game winning field goal to win that game. So you know yeah. The is really did not play that well Even loss to the bengals last year you know so the titans defense is not is really not that good We'll see how it is. I think bud dupree is going to provide pass rush for this team. Obviously but they got generally pass rush from other areas as well You know and they really haven't done that. I do like you know they do have some good players in the secondary as well they do have kevin buyers. Who's a really good safety. You know. But i don't know i definitely they could get interceptions. I feel like i feel like where they're going to get. Their points is from turnovers. I don't think it's really necessarily going to be from sacks Because you know they don't really have pass rush so we'll see but yeah that's probably they probably a little bit more value because of the team you know just because the titans are going to be. They're not going to be a bad team share But yet so after. That is obviously the colts culture. Going to be a top ten defense their team. Unlike the titans that has a pass rush bringing deforest buckner. Last year was really smart He really helped them out. You know you got darius leonard back there. The linebacker in the colts defense is a solid unit. And they'd can generate pass rush. They're going to get turnovers. They're going to be a good team this year. They're number one in the afc south. I think that's a defense. You gotta consider getting entre percent. You know. I don't think they're necessarily going to be the best defense in the nfl. But they are definitely. They're right up there their top three top five so then after that. We're going to move on to the nfc. Herbs are not the nfc the afc north and coming in last is the bengals. I just think that you know they did. Bring in guys like trey hendrickson You know they got tree. Wayne's von bell. Jessie bates was on a bed safety. You know they do have some playmakers on this defense. But in they don't they don't really have anything else. I i mean they. They're just not they're not good. They're not a good unit. You know and. I think it's overshadowed by you. Know who the division they play in gino atkins right now is a free agent so they don't even have him on the team anymore. So you know. I probably put them in last. I don't think they really have a lot of value there. Stone a rebuild mode. You know the other defenses are better than them but if they got a match up that you know seems enticing to you that you could use him as a streamer option. That's definitely a possibility but outside of that they probably are unit that you don't want to have on your team so then coming in third. Surprisingly is the pittsburgh steelers. I'm not really as high on the steelers as i was last year. I think that they're still going to be a top ten defense. I just think the defense is in this. Division are a little bit while the other two defenses are a little bit better I think the loss of bud dupree is going to hurt them. Because you know they gotta look for somebody to go opposite of t. J. watt and they were in ryan kerrigan and he chose not to sign with them stay in division and signed with the eagles. Which honestly if. I was him. I would've signed with the steelers. But i don't know i guess. He was just the familiarity in the division and all that but whatever so but they are getting devon bush back which is going to help ease leader on that defense and i think he was definitely sorely. Missed last year you know. Of course he was another guy that tore his acl. So the steelers are going to need that. I think the secondary is going to be a little bit of an issue. Obviously they still got bank and fitz. Patrick back there joe haden but i think they still need another corner or two and that's going to hurt them but you know the front seven is still pretty good. You know even without bud. Dupree and devon bush coming back but i think that i think people are still going to draft him a lot and i'm not saying they're going to be bad. I just think the other two are better. You know but you know the steelers. They have been they have been a sack machine their defense less couple of seasons you know so i. I think that's going to be something that people got to keep an eye on their team. That generates a lot of pass rush. So yeah i have them at number three though. And i have cleveland browns. I love what they did in the off season. Getting the two rams defensive backs hill and john johnson bringing in clowney which is a low risk high reward signing to go with myles garrett. You know and they had a nice draft. The defensive role is going to be improved this year. And i just think the browns browns are winning the division this year and i feel like they're one of the most balanced teams in the nfl. They have a pretty good offense with a really good offensive line. And i think that their defense is really improved. And i feel like that was. The weakness of the team was the defense and the browns at a nice job of addressing that in free agency and in the draft. So you know. Let's see what they do. Let's see what they do. I think there are a little bit better than the steelers. And i think rightly so they killed them in the playoff game. And i feel like that's going to carry over to this season even though you know what happens. Last season doesn't matter. You know when it comes to this year. It's a whole new season. But i i don't know that's just me so then. Of course. i have the ravens at number one. I feel like you know their defense. I think their defenses more built off of their secondary with marcus peters marlon humphrey. You know guys like that in the secondary you know and obviously they did bring in class campbell to help out you know with the pass rush and obviously they had a nice draft to bring in patrick queen last year. A lot of people were high on him. You know so. This defense is still going to be pretty good I i think that it's probably you know in terms of their value. I think it's probably going to be the highest in the division because the browns. There's there's a lot of new pieces on that defense. But i feel like it will eventually gel And i think that the browns are going to be a really good team. This year reflect the ravens is probably the best established unit right now because you know with the steelers they lost bud dupree bush's coming back from an injury they're secondary's a little bit The some question marks there. So i probably put the ravens at number one because of those factors and then finally we get to the afc west. So i have the raiders. In last i've talked about their defense A couple of times I feel like the stuff that they've in the off season they improve their defense I forgot that day. Because i remember the last time brought their defense. I forgot that they brought in unique in gakugei. So that's definitely going to help out the pass rush. I don't know how much but that will definitely help to pass rush. Obviously they did. Bring cory littleton from the rams and i don't think he really had a good year so that really didn't help them out. And then they also did sign casey hayward over from the chargers so that definitely is going to help in the secondary but i still think the defense is going to give up a lot of plays but also now that i think about it. They also have macro be as well to go within gaga. So let's see what the maybe the pass rush won't be too bad. We'll see but you know. And i still think the defense is still not a really good unit. But it's i don't think it's like the worst thing in the world. I feel like their. Their defense is starting to be a little bit more respectable. You know so. We'll have to wait. And see. But i i still think they're probably the weakest in the division then after that. I'd probably say the broncos at number three. I kind of have them. Well i have them at three because i feel like their offense is in. Let's see who's at quarterback. I feel like with teddy bridgewater. The offense is going to be a little bit better than it is. What drew lock. You know drew lock really hasn't lived up to his potential of drew. Lock is the quarterback you know. I think he's gonna turn it over a little bit more than teddy bridgewater. And that's gonna kinda hurt the defense a little bit. But i think the broncos defense is going to be really good this year I i feel like in terms of their value. I think it's a little bit lower just because you know of the offense that they're playing with you know but i did say that they would be a top ten defense this year and you know with von miller and bradley chubb back there. They're going to get a lot of sacks so well at least that's what i think and the secondary is pretty good with simmons. So we'll see what happens. But i have them at three right now And i think. I kinda contradicted myself a little bit. Because i did have them as a top ten defense. I had them. I think higher than the chiefs in the chargers but was he Then moving on. I got the chargers at number two. You know with derwin. James coming back. That should definitely help out the secondary. Joey bosa melvin ingram rushing the passer. That's you know a good combination. Have you know if james comes back. And he's really good. This chargers defense can turn back the clock and be what they were back in two thousand eighteen. So i'd probably put them at number two and also they're playing with that really. Good offense justin herbert they. The chargers are going to be a wildcard team. This year i. I think so so. I'd probably put them at number two then at number one i got the kansas city chiefs. I i just feel like you know. More people are going to tend to lean towards taking them I think that the chargers defense and the broncos defense are going to be a little bit better than them. But i feel like in terms of the value of the chiefs defense. I feel like that. It's probably going to be the first defense taken off the board But i i think that you know. They got chris jones. they got the honey badger. They still got playmakers on this defense. You know. I just feel like they're kind of the team that you know everybody's gonna be chasing after in the division. I feel like you know when you playing in arrowhead is. It's very tough environment in the defense feeds off of that. I just feel like there's a lot of question marks with the chiefs. And i feel like they're clearly the best team in the division. I don't wanna say necessarily going to be the best defense. But i just feel like the broncos offense is going to hurt their defense and let's see how the chargers are you. Now when darren james comes back healthy. That's why i probably put the chiesa number one as a right now but again subject to change. So yeah those are my defensive rankings for the afc so with that we're gonna take a quick break when we come back. We're going to do a schedule. Outlook on the atlanta falcons and talk about their favorable and unfavorable matchups for the season. So stick around. We'll be right back here on the gsm mc fantasy football podcast. Are you looking for the very best nfl and college football podcast. Then check out the gsm see football. Podcast get the latest football news. Both on and off the field from the nfl draft treats to the rumor mill to the nfl. Combines they got you covered that's gmc podcast dot com slash football dash podcast get updates. I'm college rivalries key insights and much much more. It's football talk the way you want it. This show and sleeps and breathes football. Don't forget to like on facebook and follow them on twitter physically. Yes mc podcasts. Dot com for more info All right and we're back here on the gsm mc fantasy football podcast for the second segment of today's show. We're going to do a schedule. Outlook on the atlanta falcons. So let's get right into the falcons schedule so to kick off the twenty twenty one. nfl season. The atlanta falcons will be taking on the philadelphia eagles. Now it's going to be a little different because you know a couple of days ago or about a week ago. You know the falcons lillard. Julio jones on this team and you know going into the schedule outlook i would've been talking about. Julio jones but now i will not be talking about. Julio jones because julio jones is now a member of the tennessee titans so let's talk about the players that are on the atlanta falcons and i think that the wide receivers can have really good games here. I feel like this could be a nice game for kyle pits to get involved in the offense just because i feel like the eagles defence though. I do think that there front fours still respectable. I still think the back end is kind of where they're lacking. And i feel like the falcons can take advantage of the eagles secondary matt ryan can ever really nice game here. This is a good match. Up for the falcons. I i feel like they're gonna put up some points here. And i think this is kind of you know one of those match ups where you don't you can't really go wrong with starting. Anybody from the falcons. Obviously you know at the running max spot. They got my davis. So that's probably like the weakness of the team is the running back spot. But overall i feel like when it comes to the receivers tight end and of course matt ryan. This is a very good match. For the falcons. And i feel like this can be a high scoring game here. Just because i feel like the falcons defense might not be that good next year so i think the eagles they can put up some points so this could be possibly a shootout. But i definitely see the falcons putting up points here so week number. Two the falcons traveled to tampa bay. Take on the buccaneers as four. Four zero five game on fox. I feel like this up. It's going to be interesting. you know. Because the falcons they did a p- put up points in both games against the buccaneers. They unfortunately for their sake. They lost both games against the buccaneers. But again they did. Put up a lotta points. This is a divisional match up. You know so. These teams know each other. Well so you know what. I'll say that you know. Calvin ridley can have a good game here. Cow pits can navigate game. Here at ryan do well might turn the ball over a couple of times though against his defense. But i think they'll put a point here. I think you know especially because this is an early season matchup you know so. These teams are not going to be. You know up to speed yet. They're still to be trying to get used to you. Know it takes teams. You know a couple of weeks to really get going. So i i think this is kind of one of those matchups early on in the season that you know i think the bucks a win but i feel like the falcons will definitely put up points and it's a divisional match up so it's going to be close Yeah so. I see the receivers doing while running backs and probably not so then moving on to the giants game they will be at the meadowlands week. Three to one o'clock game on fox. I feel like this could be tough match up just because i think the giant secondary is really good. I feel like james. Bradberry can match up against calvin release guys like russell gauge will have to step up. Let's see how the giants do against kyle pits. You know at this point in the season. I mean it's only three but let's see how pisses you know doing the first couple of games and you know. Let's see how he does against the giants in week. Three i think the falcons they can. Maybe this is kind of a tougher matchup for them. I feel like they're going to struggle a little bit here. But i feel. Calvin ridley is still going to have to start him because now he is really the number one wide receiver. Filling russell gauge can be possibly a sleeper here in this match up. Just because you know. Let's see what the giants number two quarterback situation is running backs. I think mike davis could do okay. i feel like the giants. They do play the run. Play the ron okay You know. I think they could contain the running game a little bit. But you know mike davis's number one running back and he can also be a pass catcher. So maybe they can utilize him in that regard but yeah. It's kind of middle of the road. Matchups i feel like you know. The falcons aren't gonna you know obliterate the giants. I don't think they're really gonna you know. Put up a lot of points here. I definitely could see a close game you know. But depending on how the giants offense does but Yeah overall middle of the road matchup I think you know. I don't think anybody's going to pop off in this game. So yeah that's the week three match against the giants then moving on to weaken number four. The washington football team comes to town. One o'clock game on fox I feel like matt ryan has time to throw. I think he could be successful in this game. I feel like washington. Defense is not as good as the giants defense while in terms of their secondary. So i feel like calvin ridley can have success in this game I feel like the running backs situation is going to be a little bit tough. Just because i feel like rosh washington's front four is gonna kind of neutralize the falcons running game to an extent. So i feel like atlanta's gonna throw the ball out more so i think matt ryan can have a solid game here and calvin ridley as well You know and then let's see what the other weapons do like russell gauge and kyle pits Feel like this again. Could be another one of the middle of the road Matchups i don't see them. I see them putting up a little bit. I see them doing a little bit. Better against washington as opposed to the giants also. Because it's a home game. So yeah that's kind of my thoughts on the washington football team match up then moving onto week number five. The jets come town. I feel like this is a good match for the falcons. I don't think the jets really have a corner that can shut down. Calvin ridley a hard time. Kyle here this could be. I'm going to protect this. Cow pits. best game up until this. Point for the falcons. I'm going to predict that I feel like the jets. They can contain the run. A little bit you know. I feel like a defensive line being improved but overall. I think the falcons will do well here to home game. The jets are not a really good team yet. i think they'll be scrappy team. But i don't think they're going to be really good. But i expect the falcons points here. This is a good match for them then week six. They are on a bi week but then in week seven. They traveled to miami to take on the dolphins. That's a one o'clock game on fox. This is going to be a interesting match appear those receivers going up against that secondary with exhibiting howard and byron jones. So it's gonna be interesting to see what that i feel like you know. Miami's defense is going to be good at. I don't think it's going to be you know dominant. So i feel like you know matt ryan could definitely put up some points here On the miami dolphins defense owed is going to be tough. I don't really see the receivers going off on this defense. But i don't think you can really go wrong with starting them But again i. I think it's kind of one of those like middle of the road matchups you know. I don't really expect anybody to go that insane in this game. So yeah. Those are my thoughts on that match up. It's you don't expect anybody to do amazing in this game. But i don't expect you know like a goose egg in this game for any players Yeah so. After that the panthers then come to town divisional match up week eight. That's one o'clock game on fox. I definitely think the falcons will put points year to divisional game. I don't think the panthers defenses that good. These teams split last year when they played each other in the to match ups that they face each other. And you know. I think definitely at times. You know the falcons did struggle a little bit You know. I guess particularly because these teams know each other. But i think that there's really no solid you know number one corner that's gonna shut down calvin ridley I think this is a game. Where kyle pits could do. Well maybe my davis does well against his team will see. But yeah i. I feel like if going to put up points here. I think this is a favorable matchup then moving onto week. Nine the falcons go to new orleans to take on the saints. One o'clock game on fox. You know i. I feel like this could be a game where you know i. I don't really see anybody going off in this game. I think the running game will be kinda shutdown. Just because now you've got fans back in the stands environments going to be you know back to what it was saints. Defense steelers playmakers on this team. Divisional game. I feel like the players that i feel comfortable. Starting is probably ridley matt ryan but that's it Yeah it's a tough match-up tough environment. I don't really see a lot of success in this game. For that falcons offense they def- they didn't play well when they went to new orleans last year. But we'll see what happens this year. Then they go to dallas week ten now with that matchup. We obviously remember from week. To where the falcons blew a huge lead. They let the cowboys recovering. Onside kick and the cowboys won the game. Forty two to thirty nine or forty one to thirty nine. Wherever the score that game was falcon should have won that game. They put up a lot of points. In that matchup. Everybody went off in that game. I think this is a matchup. You start everybody as of right now. Because i don't know how the cowboys defense is going to look. Obviously this ten so you know if they proved to be a different unit. Then it's a different story but as of right now i think is a very favorable matchup for the falcons. I think the falcons will put up some points year. I think calvin ridley can go fear. I think you know the running game will do well here. Matt ryan is going to have a really good game again. This is a game that the falcons will put a lot of points here so i. You can't go wrong with any starting. Anybody from the falcons that week then after the cowboys we got a week eleven rematch of super bowl fifty. One we know that game. Very well. the falcons lose twenty eight to three lead against the patriots. It was one of the most historic games in super bowl history. One of the most historical collapses in nfl history. I mean that game will live on forever. I don't think the falcons of ever gotten over that. And i don't think they ever will get over that. I mean that that doesn't happen you know. Obviously these teams are are different. Now tom brady is no longer there. Matt ryan is still the quarterback of the falcons but definitely you know a lot of changes on these teams since that point. You know. obviously. There's no more julio jones. Now there's no more taylor. Gabriel devante freeman mohamed. Sanu those guys are all gone. No austin hooper. You know everybody you pretty much. From that falcons. Offense is gone. You know besides matt ryan so you know it's going to be It's going to be a fun match up. i think though it's going to be I think it's gonna be tough. For the falcons receivers just because depending on who the corner corner is. I think gilmore's on ridley that could be maybe a little bit of a tough match-up for ridley. I think you know the patriots. These teams do know each other. Well i mean the last time they played each other was back in twenty seventeen which was the year after the super bowl. And the falcons didn't score a touchdown until late in the fourth quarter was a touchdown. Julio jones now he's no longer there. So i don't think so bill bell check doesn't have to worry about. Julio jones in this matchup but just have to worry about calverley. I do worry a little. Bit about calvin really in this match but i mean you can't go wrong. Starting him I think other guys in this in this offense are going to step up. And let's see what cow pits. Looks like at that point because maybe you know cockpits is really good and plays like number two option in this offense. Then you know. It's going to be tough for the patriots. To stop both calvin ridley and cow pets. But we'll have to wait and see but yes is kinda tough. Match-up i think for the falcons. So i don't really expect anybody on the falcons to go off. But i said it'll be fun because of the history between these teams so we'll have to wait and see but yeah I would probably lean more towards this being an unfavourable matchup but yeah this is a thursday night. Football game In the eighteenth of november. So you know. Let's see where these teams are wrapping them. But yeah. I kind of leaned more towards the unfavorable side when it comes to this. Matchup for the falcons so moving onto week. Twelve the falcons will travel to jacksonville. Take on the jaguars. One o'clock game on cbs. You know i did talk. About the jaguars defense you know. In the last segment and you know they. They lost a lot of guys on defense over the course of the last couple of seasons. They don't really have anybody from that. Saxon ville team. It's different team. Let's see what urban meyer does with it. But i feel like this is a favorable matchup for the For the falcons. Emma the jaguars for the falcons. I think the falcons you. I don't think you can go wrong with. Starting anybody from the falcons that this week In this matchup. So i would say yeah favorable matchup i think matt ryan will put up a lot of points in this game just i. I think this game could be pretty good. Actually you know if both defenses. Aren't that good. We we could see. Trevor lawrence have a really good game here and we could see a nice shootout between you know matt ryan the veteran going up against the rookie in trevor lawrence. So yeah favorable. Matchup here I think this is a game. Where calvin ridley could go off or pits could go off if he's living up to his potential. You know i could see. Mike davis having a good game here. He's the number one back so yeah favorable matchup here in week. Twelve then moving onto week. Thirteen the buccaneers come to town at one o'clock game on fox. Obviously this was a game last year when they played atlanta atlanta was up. You know by a lot and they lied. And of course the quarterback was tom brady. So they'll be playing. Tom brady twice a year and they'll be playing the patriots wants so it's going to be a constant reminder of you know what could have been for the falcons You know again. Divisional match up. You know i could definitely see in the falcons putting points here You know i. I think the bucks defense is going to be better than last year. So maybe you know. They contain the falcons offense. I don't think it's going to go down like it did last year. Where you know the falcons go up by a bunch. A blow the lead though they do have a tendency of doing that against a lot of teams. But i think this time around. I think the bucks do win. This game pretty easily. I don't think the falcons are really going to you know. Give him a hard time this time around. But i do think the falcons they could do okay. In terms of fantasy you know i. I don't think you can really go wrong. Starting matt ryan calvin ridley You know it's really just about like the running game and some of the other players on their offense. But i think for the main guys you know they'll be all right And then after that. We fourteen the falcons goto carolina to take on. The panthers is so one o'clock game on fox. I think again. This is a good favorable matchup for them. I think The falcons of puerto points here falcons will find success in this game. It's a divisional game. Like i said in You know in the week. Eight matchup divisional opponent. You know can't go wrong. Starting guys against you know division rivals. These teams know each other. Well i feel comfortable saying you could start guys from the falcons that week. Especially because like i said panthers defense is still in rebuild mode. They're not really that good just yet and then moving onto week fifteen. This is going to be interesting. Game the falcons will travel to san francisco to take on. The forty niners will be four o'clock game on cbs. Now the last time. These two teams played each other was back in twenty nineteen. And the falcons actually won that game. I believe it was twenty. It was twenty nine to twenty two final score. Was so the falcons. Were down twenty to seventeen with like a minute left. They got down into the red zone. They scored a touchdown with austin hooper. But it turned out Hooper didn't maintain possession and he dropped it. I believe so then. They called it back. Then as time was expiring falcons through. Actually there was like a visa. Left on the clock but Julio jones caught it got across the goal line they had to review with forty niners. Didn't think he got him but he did. And the falcons went ahead. Twenty two seventeen and then they kicked it off to the forty niners and the forty niners tried doing. All that lateral stuff. And then the falcons were able to get it and get a defensive touchdown out of that so the ended up winning the game. Twenty nine to twenty two so now they will be playing each other again. this season and with this matchup. It's going to be interesting because we don't really know what to expect from the forty niners defense you know. Let's see how they are when guys come back. I think they're going to be good. Because you guys are gonna be coming back healthy But the falcons were able to move the ball against this defense and sometimes the forty niners do have the tendency to give up big plays especially with older guys back you know. I think the secondary might be a little bit of a concern this year. All you know i think. Also 'cause was that with our richard sherman you know. They're not going to have that veteran leadership that they did with him on the team. So i don't know. I don't think it's going to be quite as good as it was in two thousand nineteen but i still think it'll be a solid unit I think the wide receivers can do good here I i think the falcons they they know what to expect a kyle shanahan and they've seen this defense already. So i feel like the falcons can do okay in this match by the middle of the road matchup but again depending on how the forty niners defense is. I mean if they're back to what they were in two thousand nineteen and they. You know the fixed the problem with giving up big plays like i said you know then. That's a different story. But i think the receivers can do good here. Calvin ridley could do good. Here against the cow pitches doing Over the course of the season. But i feel like the probably the weakness or probably position. That won't do that. Wells probably running game. I think the forty niners defense will be able to contain the running game. But i do think that matt ryan can have a decent game here and i feel like calvin ridley could do good as well so that is my thought on that game and then we're down to the final three weeks sixteen day after christmas december twenty. Sixth the lions come to town to take on the falcons and this was a very hard game to watch last year. I picked the falcons in the spreads. I forget what the spread was. But the falcons were winning and they got down into the red zone. They kept saying. Do not score touchdown. Todd gurley who a couple years ago. St- did not score a touchdown just to end the game. He sat on the ball. Did it the right way you know did not score the fantasy points that people might needed in their match ups that week. It was against the packers. Then he did it against Against the lines a couple of weeks later and then he does it last year. against the lions he tries to take a knee and he ends up falling into the end zone for a touchdown. Then the lions ended up getting the ball and they end up going right down the field scoring a touchdown as time expired and i was very mad after that because i could not believe the falcons blue that game but again it it makes sense. Because that's what they do but yet lions. I don't really expect them to be that good of a defense this year. So i think this is a favorable matchup. For the falcons on the go wrong with starting anybody. You really start everybody. On the falcons across the board and then they travel the buffalo to take on the bills. I think that's a little bit of a tough match-up. It's a beginning of january january second game week seventeen. I think it's a little bit of a tough match-up for the falcons just because of the environment Bill secondary that got some playmakers there Obviously i forgot to mention. I was ranking defenses davis white. You know he's a number one corner there. Of course i mentioned mica hide and during boyer jordan. So yeah i think this is a little bit of a tough match-up for the bills i mean are for the falcons. Falcons might have to run the ball depending on what the weather's like at that point so yeah i Not really a fan of that match for week. seventeen and eighteen. They take on the saints at home. I think they could do okay in this match up. I mean it's at home They didn't win. They lost both games against the saints last year. But i don't know it's a different different team now. James winstons probably gonna be the quarterback so we'll see what happens with that. I feel like at home. I feel i'd feel comfortable saying that. You could start mostly everybody except the running backs. But let's see. Let's see how the falcons loop but yeah so overall. Yeah that's my those. My thoughts on the atlanta falcons schedule. That is my schedule. Outlook for the atlanta falcons with that. We're going to take another quick break. When we come back we're gonna do a player rankings of the afc south so stick around. We'll be right back here on the gsm. See fantasy football guest. Tired of searching the vast jungle of podcasts. Now listen close and here this out. There's a podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching. 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Dj shark. i think he's the number one option in jacksonville. Now i think that the next player that you would probably take more of a jones. He might have something to say about that. But i just feel like you know. Dj shark you. Know is a is a reliable fantasy option. I think he did take a little bit of a step back. Last year. he dealt with some injuries. I believe the year before that he was really good. I think he can play with really any quarterback that you know comes his way. He was successful with blake bortles. He was good with garmin shoe. Let's see. I think he could be even better with trevor lawrence of course I feel like he's probably going to be the guy that will be taken. I in a lot of drafts when it comes to the jaguars then after that. I said marvin jones You know he's coming over from the lions. I think that you know with trevor lawrence. I think he can definitely help out there. Being a veteran presence I think you know a lot of people talk about him. Being touchdown dependent which i agree with I think that the jaguars like i said they're going to be scrappy team on offense and he's going to be another guy that you know. I think a lot of people are gonna draft probably going to be a flex option You know. I don't. I don't think he's going to be you know a wide receiver one. But we'll see i mean. He does have games where he drops like forty points. Which you know. He had like four touchdowns in a game against the vikings last year. So yeah he is a tendency to go off sometimes but sometimes he has an you know do anything but Yeah i would say he probably the second player taken. Then i actually have james robinson at three. Just because of the uncertainty with the running back position you know they have carlos hyde there now. They also draft the travis. Et end from clemson now. Apparently they're working out e. t. n. at wide receiver. So if that if he ends up being a wide receiver than that kind of changes the backfield but I think of course people are still going to be a little bit high on james robinson. He had a great season. Last year really came out of nowhere. So we'll have to see what happens this year. But i think he's still gonna find his way on teams I think he could be a solid number two running back you know. If he gets the carries that you know he got last year if his workload is cut down then maybe kind of stay away from him. But i think he still will Get drafted the teams Even with his draft stock going a little bit lower this year. And then of course. After that would be i would say is laviska shenault He was another guy that had you know. Came out of nowhere you know. He had some pretty good games last year for them as the other wide receiver in jacksonville. I feel like he could be a guy. That's you know there for depth purposes You know possibly be a flex option you know and if one of the of these guys goes down like shark or marvin jones you know his values go up and maybe possibly it could be a waiver. Wire pickup if he's available obviously very deep leagues. He's probably going to be a guy that's going to be taken of course You know if you're doing like sixteen leagues. But i probably put him ahead of Trevor lawrence who have next just because of his. I've i feel like trevor lawrence is probably going to be. You know a guy that's going to be taken in the later rounds when it comes to. Qb's trevor lawrence would be after chenault. i feel like you know. I think you'll be happy okay. Season his first season in the nfl You know obviously he doesn't have the most star-studded cast. But i feel like he does have a pretty decent. You know supporting cast I feel like you could definitely be a solid number two. Qb for your team. If you're doing a to qb league or it could be your number three guy you know depending on you know how much you believe in him and you know what you think of him but yeah i probably see he'd be the fourth player taken and then i would probably say travis t. You know. I throw him in there You know he might be a waiver. Wire pickups We'll see we'll see what they do with them if they put him at they put them at receiver. But i think that. I'd probably be probably be one of the last jaguar steak and then i didn't put tim tebow here didn't put him there Listen if he ends up working out a tight end if you make the team and he's a tight end if he's really good tight end and then hey you know pick them up but i think that you know he's probably to just be on. The waiver wire not really see a lot of playing time as of right now. I don't really see any tight ends. On the jaguars that you'd wanna take. But let's see what happens with trevor lawrence. So yeah those are my rankings for the jacksonville jaguars. Then after that is easily the worst team in the division by and you know will finish in last place could possibly go owen. Seventeen this year. If the shawn watson does not play down for the team and that is the houston texans. They went four and twelve last year. And i've talked about it a lot that. There's really not a lot of players on this team that you know i would wanna take and there's really. There's really nobody on his team. That i want to take just because shawn watson is not going to be there. You know the texans they brought in a. They burn a lot of running backs in the offseason. Rex burkhead mark ingram phillip lindsay. To go with david johnson. So i don't know what who's going to be the lead running back. I have no idea. It's really just gonna probably just going to be one of those. It's going to be running back committee and shouldn't be who has the hyde who has a hot hand at that at that time you know but needless to say let's kind of get into the players that i think you know we'll get drafted in a in a certain order so i would say phillip lindsay will be the first texan taken. If in fact people actually draft players from the texans. Now i would probably say phillip lindsay. Just because i feel like he has the most upside as opposed to the running backs on this team. I feel like rex burkhead. You know that third down running back. I feel like david johnson and marking rumor. Just gonna kinda fade out a little bit especially mark ingram I hate to say that. Because mark ingram and david johnson. They helped me when my fantasy championship back in two thousand sixteen. They were my two running backs. They were both amazing. And i will love them for that. You know. I appreciate that. But i feel like they're not the same players that they were back in twenty sixteen and also mark. Ingram helped me win my fantasy championship and was really my number one running back in two thousand nineteen because todd gurley was not that guy You know he's also in my twenty nine thousand nine fantasy team when i won the championship. They're so marking helped me out a lot over the years in fantasy and and david johnson's well but they're they're they're not those guys anymore I would say the phillip lindsay is. He's the youngest of the three. And i feel like he's got the most upside when it comes to the running back spots but i don't know what that loaded backfield. It's hard to say so then after that would probably say brandin cooks would be next. I mean you could probably go either. Lindsay brandin cooks. I just put lindsay ahead just because of my thing with the running backs. Running backs tend to have a little bit more value than wide receivers in my opinion. Obviously depending on who's available but listen brandin cooks. I think is going to be. I think he's gonna be a hot Trade trade target. You know i. I think that we could maybe see him moved at the trade deadline. If texans want to move away from where they could trade him before the season starts. I mean we'll have to see. I mean i don't really know what the contract situation is but listen. If this team is doing a full rebuild shawn watson is not there. I think it's kind of a waste. Having brandin cooks on this team. I feel like you could definitely help out a contender. Of course you gotta worry about the injuries and stuff like that but you know he definitely showed you something last year playing with the shawn watson you know he had some really really good games last year and i feel like he could definitely be a solid solid flex option. Maybe even a wide receiver to for your team depending on who he ends up with if he is indeed traded. I think if the shawn watson does play. I think that of course you know definitely you know his fancy values. Go up and i. I don't really see him. Being traded but shawn watson does not play. I think you probably stay away from him. But yeah i would say he'd probably be the second player taken from the texans. Then i would throw in. David johnson and i guess marketing room as well You know again for deaths purposes. I don't really again have a lot of stock into them. Just because of how bad. I think the texans are going to be this year. And after that i got kiki ut you know it's probably gonna be the number two option number two wide receiver for the texans. Yeah now shawn watson plays. I think he's obviously going to be the number one texans player taken but i didn't put him there just because they don't believe he's i think we've seen the last of shawn watson in houston so then moving on from the houston. Texans we move into teams that are going to be fighting for the division. And i is the team that finished in second place last year but i think will be the division winner this year. And that is the indianapolis colts and there are quite a few players. I think you should definitely focus your attention on So i would be jonathan taylor now. Jonathan taylor i did not put him in my top ten running backs and that is on me. I completely forgot about him when i was doing that list. I think he's definitely at number ten. Maybe even higher you know with the offensive line with the colts and being a top offensive. Line anthony concerns. Oh their left tackle retired. So that's kind of a that kind of stinks for the colts offensive line. But they're still really good. Quinn nelson is still there. You know they they still got a really good solid offensive line anything now that he is going to be looked at as you know the three down back. I think he's gonna put up a lot of good numbers. This year. definitely is going to be a second round pick. I think he's gonna go in between the second in the third round. So i think he could be a solid. He could be a shower number. One I don't think listen for me if i have like the first pick and i'm getting you know well then i'm probably picking for a while but you know if i if i get like a running back and he's there i'm probably still gonna take him load up on running backs why not Be that ground and pound team. But i yeah i think for him. He's probably going to go. Second third from beginning of the third round definitely sued somewhere in between the second round Yeah so i would say he probably the first coal taken. I think he's going to have a really good season. You know being the three down back the primary running back. So i put him a number one then after that i i would i. You know what i'm gonna say michael pittman at number two. I think that you could probably you know. It probably doesn't really make a difference as of right now between taking him over. Ty or taking t. y. Hilton over pittman. But i think that you know pittman has more upside just because you know. He's the younger option. Let's see how he is carson wentz you know i think that he'll be good with carson wentz I that pittman could be a flex option. i think the same thing with t. y. hilton. I don't really see them. Being you know anywhere above flex option as of right now. Let's see how does now in year two with the new with the new quarterback I think pitman's kind of more the number one option there in indianapolis. But that's just 'cause ty hilton's not you know what he was you know for the last decade. I mean he's i think he's still productive but he's not you know he's not that guy that's going to put up twenty to twenty five points you know and have like over one hundred seventy yards a game. He's not that guy anymore. But i think he's still could be a flex option and i think pittman right now is a flex shop option borderline. You know number two. You know but i think right now. Those are the two wide receivers that i think you should key on. He and on when it comes to the colts then after that is carson wentz. Obviously he's coming over from the eagles you know The culture expecting big things from him. I think he's gonna be a solid quarterback this year. And i think a lot of people should definitely consider drafting him. You know better offense of line. Good running game. Got some young weapons with some veterans as well I could definitely see carson wentz having a good season. And i think that he probably be taken four out of these guys so then after that. It's kind of a toss up you know you have. Nyheim hines who could be a good. You know back when it comes to pr. And then you also jack doyle a tight end carson wentz. I think likes having tight ends without. Zakar dallas goddard with his years in philly. So you know maybe jacked oil. His numbers go up a little bit. Maybe people put more stock in him as well but yeah it's kind of a toss up between him nine heinz. I don't think i don't think there's really. I really don't think he'd go wrong with taking either them before the other. I don't know. I mean again all depends on how your team is filled out at that point but Yeah that's that's kind of my rankings for the colts. Also they got guys like Zach pascal's well Probably going to be on the waiver wire but yeah those are my rankings for the colts. I think jonathan taylor is the best of all these players Yeah i put michael pittman ahead of t y hilton and then carson wentz after that so again. We'll have to wait and see what happens. But that's kind of my rankings for that so then moving on to the team that finished in first place in the division last year the tennessee. Titans i have one less player as opposed to the colts. Here for the titans. Now julio jones is now a member of the titans. Now when i did my rankings. For the falcons. I did put. Julio jones with the falcons so you know i guess kinda the same thing with Titans i guess you know who would probably be the second player taken among these guys. I mean it's definitely a tie between him and aj brown. I think it really depends on who you like better but i think you know julio's also a little bit injury prone so maybe kind of go with. Aj brown over him but yeah it's kind of a tie. Yeah now that. I think about it probably put aj brown over. Julio so yeah number one. Of course derrick henry i mean derrick henry is a monster rush for over two thousand yards. I mean the guy is an animal. Let's hope that you now that they bring in. Julio jones i have a little bit more confidence in this offense than i did a couple of weeks ago because you know we like i always bring it up. I'm going to bring it up again. What happened in that playoff game against the ravens the ravens shut that offense down and i think you know that had to deal with the fact that you know the titans they don't have they didn't have a lot of weapons. Outside of aj brown there can recourse. They did have corey davis but now corey davis is no longer there if it was just. Aj brown going into this season. You know. I don't. I really didn't. I didn't like the titans chances. I just didn't now that you bring julio now you got something and julio stays healthy this offense is going to be really good but i think derrick henry is still if he's there you gotta you gotta take him. I mean i think you know if you got a top five pick. I think that he's probably the third running back off the board this year. Just because of you know how massive he is. And i. And i think that you know he's still got you know he's still got maybe a couple of really good years left in him Hopefully the wear and tear doesn't take a toll on him just yet I feel like he's kind of i. Don't wanna see he's a ticking time bomb. But i think we're starting to get to that point you know. He's been in the league since two thousand sixteen like as akiko elliott. And we've started to see the wear and tear on. Zeke though zeke is coming in you know in good shape supposedly and you know derrick henry. As long as he doesn't get injured and as long as he continues to produce. I mean he's probably gonna be a top five running back once again You know the titans. They don't have a battle line As well so you know again. He's probably still going to be taking top three and he's definitely gonna be the first taking off the board so then after that i would say you probably go with. Aj brown I think he's a solid number one wide receiver for your team. I think he proved that last year. You know He did deal with injuries last year. So we'll see what happens. But i think that the second taking off the board so then after that is probably julio. They're both going to be taken within. You know a few picks each other definitely between the second and third rounds as well so yeah. That's kind of where i have them at. Then i would say ryan tannehill hills probably after that. I think that you know tannahill could definitely be solid quarterback for your team. You know he does put up really good numbers you know ever since joining titans he's been really good I really like his deep ball. I think he has got a really good deep ball. He just a different quarterback with the titans than he was with the dolphins. And i know a lot of people make comparisons to how he played with adam gates. You know it just seems like with adam gates just create it just destroys anything that he had anything that he sees sight anything that comes within the vicinity of adam. Gase just destroys. You know we saw that with levy on bell so we see in that with tannehill. Now i think tannehill solid. Qb for your team I i know definitely when it comes to to cuba leagues. I think he's definitely a guy that can be in your starting lineup Be that second. Qb for your team. He's somebody you can get laid in in your drafts I don't think of course. I don't think he's going to be like the first quarterback taken off the board or anything like that you know i. I think he's still a respectable option. When it comes to the quarterback position. He's going to have good ups as year. The titans do put up a lot of points. You know so. I think you know with the additional. Julio like i said i have more faith in this offense. I feel like the titans will still be a pretty good offense. I think tannehill is still going to be a solid fantasy option. You know when it comes to the quarterback position and then after that i got a tight end anthony berkshire if i pronounced that correctly. You know. he's the tight end now. He's going to be the number one guy for the titans. Now that jonnu smith is no longer there obviously. I don't think he's as versatile as jonnu smith. But you know. I that tannehill definitely gonna use him as well I think he had he could be maybe a little bit of asleep when it comes to the tight end spot so we'll have to wait and see what that Because i think he has put up good numbers in some games. So let's see what happens but Yeah i'd probably say if you're really desperate at the tight end spot. He's a guy. Maybe you'd want to take a chance on so with that. Those are the rankings for the afc south of the player rankings. 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And we're back here on the gs mc fantasy football podcast for the final segment of today's show. We're going to talk about the importance of each position in fantasy and i'm going to rank their value in a certain order based on the level of importance and what position you should key in on in the parts of your draft and then into the later parts of your draft. And i'm basically going to you know talk about the different leagues like the standard leagues like the dynasty leagues. Mvp are league stuff like that. And i'll kind of just related to my own personal opinion and the stuff that i've heard you know having conversations with different people so to kind of started off the position that i think many people should immediately go to is the running back position and i think really kind of varies depending on the league that you're doing like dynasty leagues or pbr. Leagues but i feel like running. Back is the most valued position and over the course of the past several years. I've kind of realized that. Because i was kinda stuck in that. I gotta take a quarterback. And i gotta take the best receiver off the board and then when ends up happening is i struggled to find running backs later on my drafts. But i've learned to evolve my way of thinking my philosophy over the years because you know especially in standard liege's you want wanna have at least one really solid running back before you start building out the rest of your team because running backs. Get the bulk of the points. And there's really not you know th. There's a surplus of running backs like their offer. Quarterbacks you know 'cause i used to love just taking aaron rodgers with like my first or second pick because one aaron rodgers my favorite player and two. I just believed that. He was the best quarterback in the nfl. And if i have him on my team then you know he's going to carry me to the playoffs and when my league but you know it doesn't always. It doesn't always happen that way. You really got a build your team. I and get to the quarterbacks. Because the quarterbacks like i said there's a surplus of quarterback said you can choose from that you can pick later on in the draft and really it all depends on what we do whether you do or to cuban league or one. Qb league obviously with the one qb league you know. You have more flexibility with a two qb league. You kind of want start. You know picking your first qb you know between like i would say like the six between the six in the eighth round. I would say something like that and then your second. Qb i guess you can really go Wherever honestly but that's a two. Qb league obviously with the one qb league. You know again you little bit more flexibility of where you wanna take him but back to with the running back situation like i said you gotta have a dependable number one running back on your team because if you don't you're going to be struggling because running backs they get you. I don't want to get you the most points. But they're the most probably the most consistent position that you want to have on your team because you know you're receivers can have a bad game if you if you have a bad receivers in running backs i mean you know. I learned it the hard way. Back in. Twenty seventeen and larry fitzgerald and randall. Cobb is my too wide receivers. You know you're not really going to. You're not really gonna do. Well you know you wanna have a solid number one running back on your team. That's gonna get you those fifteen to twenty points each week because obviously with the number two then you know. It's it's not as bad if you have a number one running back that you can depend upon so i would say the running back is probably running back positions probably the most valuable position in fantasy. That you wanna make sure that you have to solid running backs particularly really one solid running back and then you kinda just work your way and build out the rest of your team so after that i would say obviously as the wide receiver position that you would want to address next. I think that you know the receiver position. I think there is obviously more dependable. Wide receivers as opposed to running backs. I think running backs there. There's like you know. I i would say ten to twelve ones that you could definitely depend on him and after that. It's kind of you know like question mark after that as to you know who you would wanna pick and choose. I mean there's probably a little bit more than tenant. Ten twelve obviously but. I think that there's like ten to twelve like shirl running backs that you should have on your team and obviously you know depending on how big your league is. You're gonna end up with one of those running backs depending on how your draft works when it comes to the wide receiver spot. There's a little bit more flexibility with that position. Because you know like. I said there's really like ten to twelve like shurmur running backs wide receiver. I think there's so many options out there but obviously you wanna get like you know one sure number one wide receiver on your team and then of course you know then you go to wide receiver tune your flex option you depending on who you would get your flex whether it's running back or wide receiver but you know you're not gonna wait till the end of the draft. You got a wide receiver. Obviously you're not gonna do that. I'm just saying like you could like wait a little bit to get a wide receiver to as opposed to running back to. I feel like with those two positions. I think it's important at least for me. I like i said you gotta we have at least two shallow running backs and then kind of go in for a wide receiver to. I don't know that's just me. I feel like it goes running back wide receiver though in terms of their value. Then when it comes to tight end. I think tight end would probably be fourth and then quarterback would be three. I don't know why i went that way. But because it all depends on who's available because if travis kelsey and george kittle are sitting there and you want to jump on the opportunity to get them that kind of throws a wrench into my philosophy then obviously travis kelsey george kittle. Darren waller if they're sitting there and you know if you don't have a wide receiver and you wanna just you know. Take a chance and get you know a tight end travis kelsey then by all means go after that because then travis kelsey kind of is like your wide receiver one and then when he receivers is basically your tight end. Who's not really getting as many points as travis kelsey would be getting you know so then like when you're ryder. She was kind of takes to spot as tight end on your team now. I'm not saying that you know the wide receiver you would have would be like You know let's say. Jared cook where they get zero points a week. But you know you're wide receiver position going to be a little bit lacking if you go after a tight end like travis kelsey or george hill but then you think to yourself well there technically my wide receiver one where my wide receiver too. Because you know they get so many targets a game and they play such a huge role in the offense that they play in. You know that's why i would take the tight end. I m almost reach for the title. You're not reaching for travis. Kelsey travis kelsey might be a first-round pick this year. And i think really that kind of all depends like if those three tight ends are available to you. I think you go after them. If they're not then. I think you kind of wait a little bit on the other. Tight ends like tj hodkinson robert tanya and mark andrews and some of the other guys but i would probably say then after wide receiver Sorry after the running back. Wide receiver then quarterback comes after that and then tight end you know in general because you know with the quarterback situation for me at least when you get a running back and wide receiver for me. That's when i take a quarterback because i'm playing into. Qb league you. You wanna have to solid. Qb's on your team you know dependable cubeys. Obviously you're not going to have patrick mahomes and justin herbert on your team. You're not going to do that. But if you wanna get a like. You know cuyler. Murray or josh allen or the guys i just mention and you feel confident with the first two picks that you have then go after one of those guys to have a a solid number one. Qb and then you know then you kind of build your team again. You get the solid you know running back to when you get an rv getting rb to get a wide receiver to you may go after a tight end depending on who's available and then you go after that qb to. That's really how i see you. You know going through that draft. That's at least how i that's how i do it at least But when it comes to the quarterback position. Like i said there's a surplus of quarterbacks that you know it's not really like a necessity to go right in and get it because that's what i like. I said in the beginning of the segment. That's what i used to do. I would just go in. Get the best. qb available. Even though aaron rodgers wasn't the best q. In twenty seventeen wasn't the best. Qb in two thousand eighteen. You know i. That's who i felt comfortable drafting its. He's not versatile he's not you know the best q. In the nfl anymore. He still is one of the best. But you gotta you know. Put focus your attention on the other positions on your team because you wanna have a balanced team. And if you're just loading up on quarterbacks you know it's not your team is going gonna suffer because of that. And like i said. I learned that the hard way so i probably say back over quarterback tight end. That's kind of the rankings of the value of those positions and then obviously when it comes to the defenses and the kickers. Those are going to be like some of your last picks. Now if you have a really if you confident with your team you know if you have all your positions filled out for the most part and you see like the bucks defense is sitting there and you wanna be that guy that takes the first defense then. Go right ahead and do that but for me. I think what's really important. Is you get you know the foundations of your team filled out before you address the kicker and defense spots. Because you know you don't want to you know. Get a defense in the third round. Like i did back in two thousand and fourteen and then you know then you're scrambling to try to fill out your other positions because defenses and the kickers. They're going to be there. Same thing if you're looking for a number two. Qb qb league. You know there's going to be. There's odds are there's going to be a qb sitting there that you can get you know like a like a ryan tannehill or something like that you know because think about it guys. Whoever you're playing with you know they. They're going to be focusing on filling out the rest of their team then going after the. Qb you know. And i mean even if you're looking for a backup i mean i feel like you know looking for a backup in one. Qb leagues is a little less important. Because you know there's going to be a bunch of qb's that are on the waiver wire that you can kinda just wait till you know your qb has a bye week and you just pick one of those guys up just to start for one week and then you drop them. I mean obviously if an injury happens that's completely. That's that's whole different scenario but you know if you have a really good. Qb and you kinda just want to load up on wide receiver running back positions for death purposes on your bench. And then you know when you have to drop somebody for a week and pick up a quarterback you know if you guys if your quarterbacks on a buy week and that's fine too you know. There's no there's nothing wrong with that. You know but now when it comes to like the other leagues like pr leagues and And dynasty leagues. I think the importance and the value of a lot of these positions. Like it kinda changes a little bit You know. I'm about to do a dynasty lead for the first time and i'm going to be honest. I really don't know you know what i'm going to do. Like who am i going to draft. You know but from what. I've been some of those conversations that i've had it seems that running back is probably the position you want to avoid taking early be and it makes sense though because over the course of the last couple of seasons. We've seen that. You know running back backstay tend to wear down because of you know the the beating that they take you know. Throughout the season. I mean running in between the tackles and constantly getting hit. You know at the line of scrimmage and and all that you know it's it's a tough position and you know teams. They move off of their star players in their star running backs you know. We've seen that. We've seen that numerous times now. We saw it most recently with With todd gurley in. Oh and now we're seeing what's going on levy on bell he holds out and then he goes to the jets. The jets end up being terrible. You know not having a good offensive line for him to run behind. He gets injured along with that barely. Does anything on the jets. I mean the thing is adam gates. Didn't want him. okay we we we. I think everybody knew that You know so he basically you know the whole thing didn't work out with the jets. Then he goes to the chiefs and now he's coming out and saying he would not wanna play with andy reid so you know it's It it's it's unfortunate to see some of these star players. You know they just they get injured and something happens and they just. They're never the same after that. But you know when it comes to the dynasty leagues though. I think you do have to put more stock into quarterbacks and wide receivers than because you know looking at some of the quarterbacks that are coming in like trevor lawrence and you know got some of the wide receivers as well like waddell and devante smith and jomar chase and then go along with a lot of the wide receivers that balled out. You know last year you know in their rookie seasons and the rookie quarterback as well. You know like joe burrow you know so. There's a lot of young players that you know at those two positions that you'd wanna get i because you know you wanna have guys that are going to be playing. You know ten to fifteen years and you're going to get like the best years out of them for as long as possible with the running back position you know. You might only get like you know a little under that. Well definitely not. Fifteen years. Like adrian peterson. But you're gonna get not to say that. Adrian peterson has been amazing. You know since the vikings but you know he was productive. You know someone in the spots that he's played and but besides that besides that point when it comes to art or cevers and quarterbacks i think it does make sense that you want to get you know guys like herber guys like josh allen. Patrick mahomes kyla. Murray joe burrow like all these guys wanna get them on your team for dynasty and. I think that's probably where you want to start out. Get one of those. Qb's early on depending. On what i mean. I think we're doing a one. Qb lee for dynasty leagues. I don't really know how they work. But i know that. I think we're doing like a one. Qb league for a format. So i mean. I think you know if you wanna get mahomes herbert. That's what you probably going to do. Get them early on in your drafts. 'cause you know you do have running backs jonathan taylor like. He's going to be entering his second season. And you know. I top ten running back. I didn't even have them in the top ten. And you know. I talked about him on the last segment when i was doing the afc player. Rankings i completely forgot about jonathan taylor. I think he's definitely a top ten running back this year so i'd probably put him in number ten you know because he's going to be running behind the offensive line and he's going to be the three down back for the colts got. Jonathan taylor was going to be entering his second season. You got shake dopp and you got some of these guys but you know if you don't know how long they're going to be good like really good like have some of their best years you know so i think you probably hold off on drafting them and get them you know. Maybe after you fill up your quarterback spots and then you start going in at for these younger guys but then again you know what does that mean for. You know a lot of these other players that are you know all these veteran players you know like i don't really know how i don't know what the philosophy of the draft is going to be once you know i get into that and i'm drafting with my friends. Like how is that going to work. Are they going to be taking guys. Like travis kelsey and all that where they'd be taken in standard leagues. I dunno. i think some players you're going to see them being taken later on in dynasty leagues. I understand that. But some guys i think will be still taking the regular spots just because of the talent that they bring to the table and then you know when it comes to pr leagues. I think obviously you gotta be more invested in the wide receiver spot. That's really where you know. The values of these positions changes is it does change in dynasty leagues but in also npr lease. I think you do take wide receivers more. But when you look at guys like chimera like christian mccaffrey those guys. Of course you're gonna wanna get because you know. Look they're running back spot. They are so involved in the offenses that they played in. They play in that. You know you want to still get these guys because of the amount of points per perception that they're going to get per game you know because they're so heavily involved in the offense and their focal points in their offenses especially mccaffrey. Mccaffrey is going to be. The main is the main guy in carolina you know they do have robby anderson and dj more there and we got to see how sam darnold obviously does and carolina but christian. Mccaffrey is what makes that offense work. And if he's not you know if he's not playing now they did. Show some flashes with mike davis at the running back spot. Mike davis did good games but christian. Mccaffrey's really the engine that drives that team and if he's not there different team you know but when it comes to p pr in how i would rank the positions in terms of their value. I'd probably put her. I obviously because you know you get points every time you know you make a catch but then obviously after that you probably still it would you base goud sweatshop wide receiver and running back. That's really how i would switch it up. Obviously then again. You know like again travis. Kelsey kittle waller. Those guys are so involved in the offense for their teams that you know they might end up being your wide receiver one of your wide receiver too depending on how you would draft. I mean draft kind of changes a little bit. Because obviously you know you wanna get guys that are going to constantly get targets and get receptions in their games in a running. Backs aren't always gonna do that. Like is like nick. Saban ezekiel elliott. Their value goes down a little bit. Because you know they're not really running back said you know a receiving you know. You're not getting receptions out of the backfield you know like is like saquon even dalvin cook You know mccaffrey camaro those guys would their stock. Well mccaffrey in cameras really. Don't change that much but You know saquon probably be higher up then. I think saquon is going to be a little down this year. Just because he's coming back from the injury. Even though i think a lot of people are still going to draft him very high. I think he's going to be more towards the end of the first round as opposed to in the beginning of the first round just because of the injury and the uncertainty at the offensive line. You know i think zeke's value would probably like i said i think it's the east valley definitely dropped because of the the pr leagues but again. He's still be one of the first running backs taking like you probably top six or seven. you know. so he's still going to be a top running back. It's just you wanna get guys that are catching passes out of the backfield. You know so it. Really i and then again. The quarterback position again really doesn't change. You know if you're doing to qb league. That's p p r you know it same strategy you know same thing kind of changes you know there's a surplus of qb's you don't really have to worry about it until you feel confident with how your team is. What who you have in your team at that point and then of course one. Qb lease as well. You know you wanna get you wanna get wide receivers you know and and guys that are going to catch a lot of passes that that's kind of where your first pick is going to be. Npr leagues it. Unless it's mccaffrey folks. The guy the guys that i the guys that i've mentioned that are going to catch passes you know so really When it comes to these different leagues obviously which standard leagues you got running back wide receiver quarterback and then tied and then defense and kickers. That's the one thing that really hasn't changed. Defense kickers those kind of taken. You know last every single time. I didn't really talk about dynasty leagues but with dynasty leagues. I think really. It comes down to quarterback receiver running back and tight end. And then you know same thing defense. Kicker then p p. r. it would probably be wide receiver Running back then. You know same thing quarterback tighter. That's probably how i would see the rankings in terms of the value for these positions. But yeah that's you know. That's basically it like. I said the mock draft is going to be coming up soon. You know i'm gonna start doing some research and kind of formulate my mock draft because like i said we're in june now you know we're we're getting closer to the those times when people are gonna start drafting because i've had those conversations you know guys can start doing mock drafts and stuff. So we're getting there. I mean it's incredible. This is like i said this is technically well. This is like my nineteenth officials show but it's technically twentieth show. Which is i mean. It's unbelievable how far i've gotten. I'm surprised i've been able to get through twenty shows and not really run out of romantic content. You know we're going to keep to keep ryan so Yeah so with that. That is all the time that we have for today. Like i said the mock draft will be coming out shortly. I feel like i keep talking about it. 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Podcasts covers the miami dolphins for us year nation. What's up jake. Hey guys thanks a man okay. I feel like there's a lot of different ways to go here with this deal. There's two parts of it because you've got one the ability to acquire picks or trade picks and to your confidence in your general manager. Your head coach. Whoever it is to actually make the picks the dolphins now have a massive stockpile of graphics. They've got two first rounders this year. They've got two first rounders in twenty twenty three. You are loaded scale of one to ten your confidence in your team to turn those picks into really good players. Man we're talking run a franchise that hasn't won a playoff game twenty years so i don't know if i can be too too competent. I mean i'm very excited. I don't get me wrong but we're reaching a point where those exacted quickly become players You know the rumors the sayings around the train is speeding. Up the rebuild. The dolphins are getting to where they have to be well in theory. Yes but until you know. The first round picks of no monogamy thirty thirtieth overall last year Raw until the guys become cornerstones of the franchise. I'm not sure we can say that we're hitting the home runs yet by what they're doing overall. You're maintaining that flexibility. For the year in two years into the future. You might be a little too far ahead when you talk about six point point. But you'd rather have been you don't stats is asking you deke. About confidence in dm. And all that. I i wanna. I had the first question i have written down. My my seat here is. What's the confidence level into a going into twenty one for the dolphins. I think it has to be a an. And i think they've said everything publicly. I'm probably sitting where i think he could be. The guy i bought the state on confidently eight on that scale It's really refreshing generation of the miami dolphins. This organization led by. Brian fours and chris greer. Because what we're seeing with panic shack and kyle van noy guys. They trading one year consigning of those completely back their guides until they you know. It's not something that builds over time. There's never any issues that grow into things that are larger than they should be. This is an organization that if you're wearing a dolphin uniform you're going to be guy no matter. What obviously the watson. Rumors drafting of player are attracting quarterback. Were both rumored. Think ended the day. I think they were planning on sitting with two. I big a little too earliest by shuffling out of quarterbacks when you have this much draft apple not wait two three years which is a little unique after ten years of the ryan. Tannehill is gonna be good. It's not gonna be good. That was the stable of miami dolphins twitter. Miami dolphins everything for ten years with wise ryan tannehill. So we don't want to go too far on the other side of the spectrum. But i think they And i think the fans will wanna see at least two three years out of them before making any odd solidify decision. I was not blown away with two last year. But i also fully admit i didn't see every snap the guy took. Why just quickly give me kind of the things that does well and the areas that he struggled last year. It's such a situation of being. Because he wanted defend this guy. Everyone loves them. And his first napa was a fumble that the ran's recovered. I believe and then you know you have justin wherever going absolutely bananas so it is a very tough hole that you had the fan but you know you just gotta look at the fact that everybody was paying that drew brees. I'm not sitting here saying he's gonna be drew brees but just the ability to field is the second to none when it comes to talking about. You're thinking the little more home at the receiving core. I think he needs to be a little more instinctive decisions. We know he can do it. It's just not being shy. nfl level. I you know recovering from a hip surgery here. I go ryan tannehill all over again with excuses but it is what it is where i come off the hit so dry. He didn't have a offseason with the team. Preston williams one of his favorite guys. I always he got hurt. The might the segments games. The parker miss games so it was a lot of inconsistencies. Just wanted see. That really happened for a year and obviously not saying everyone's been healthy. That'd be outrageous that. Think that a year without injuries avedis a little more routine adults than i think he's gonna do a whole lot of good especially with sightings of willfuller number says. Here's looking like a receiver. So those are really strong indications that he should really have that swing back year sophomore. Can't i want to get to number six just mentioned but when last thing onto assist the quarterback situation for me so one thing i've been wanting to happen selfishly maybe because i want out of the nfc stats wouldn't mind if he left the nfc west we've talked about you know russell getting traded and i'm guessing it would be this offseason for the dolphins. I don't know that that makes sense right now at this point You're talking about to. Maybe you know giving him a couple of years. What if it's another season where like the team is really good around him. But he's kind of just okay or like not quite good enough. He's almost like jimmy garoppolo. Let's say like it's dislike Able to win but like you can't get over the hump with him. Is there a point. Because the dolphins have these picks that like they should pivot an. Is there any interest in russell. Wilson trade or another veteran quarterback down the line. Do you think that could come sooner than later to a doesn't really solidify himself here. I think a lot of it really is gonna come down to the season. I know it's being very results oriented but that's kind of the situation we're in especially when we look at a trade that just train that happened specifically the two thousand twenty two picks. The dolphins believe they're going to be better than the forty niners pick while i in the midst of everything so let's that the forty niners struggle. Let's say a five five victims for the sake of argument but dolphins again. They somehow missed the playoffs again at when spray record for being the team to miss the playoffs attendance for the most times Really conversation end a big part of me is wondering if those who picks some pointing twenty three. I have a feeling they're not going to be using both of those. I have nothing to really base that on but whether it's for two of upgrading. The quarterback position seeing that you have a road that can get you to a upgraded quarterback or if it's just using that next year to move the draft simul premier players. I there is a little bit of wiggle room that i think the dolphins will be able to transition from if they asked you but i don't think that's really on the track right now so they moved down to twelve for about ten minutes and then they moved back up to get to six. That leads me to believe that. They have a specific person that they want at six. And they're looking at the draft and they think you know the first four picks at least they're going to be quarterback so they're like hey we can sit at six. We're going to have our choice. Basically of the best non quarterback in this draft. Who do you think they want at six. When they were sitting at bere- i heard a lot of cheese. I heard a lot of demar chase. But it's a. There's a couple of things that really stick out to me when it comes to. These trades in bristol foremost why they have been out. You know what. I was reading up the stories about these trades. Were still love with in the draft. Why why do this now. I shared if you try to do this low closer. I'm not saying draft night own off to trade with the little bananas trying to get that done while drafting players But i wonder if there's another move coming at. The dolphins thought they could get this done. I believe they had three different offers up for that third overall. Pick so you you wonder that. They obviously knew sitting while they weren't able to get one of those guys that they wanted. And it goes back to what i was saying earlier about the fact they need to start getting plays. It would be great to have to fix needs for the next four years but you need to turn those into something other than a night off story obsolete. You wonder if there's something else coming from this team. They really thrown a lotta curb so far offseason round since chris. Greer has taken over Over that's really how it's been starting with the layer puzzle trade. That really began all this ad in the even bigger scheme. This really all started with trade with the dolphins eagles back pointing sixty involved. Kiko alonzo byron maxwell going the dolphin for picks while in pennsylvania thirteen remedy drafting inside of the eagles. End the rest of the royal history. There all right. So let's say martinez isn't there at number six because there's like more buzz he's actually gonna go to the bengals and number five because joe burrow has really been pushing for that and albert briere said that and that's that was cited in part of why the eagles moved down because they thought maybe just march wouldn't make it to them at six. So my question for you is like who do you want. Really are a hutu dolphins into really want at number six. They're assuming chase isn't available and do you think that player whoever it is is really worth trading backed up from twelve four as opposed to like maybe gotten that guy or maybe there's a similar talent still at twelve right. Yeah the the Smith at six Where you really. You're not gonna be mad especially when you look at those picks down the road. But i think it's a sign of urgency from the kema which i explained the Always use madden rate in just before the foodi to get across. I think when drafting in that. And i think you have a really good chance that hitting a let's say a convened eighty five or raw right away and really not a boost rookie of but then when you get ten to twenty n even thought. Of course you can find someone in any part of the draft is gonna come into the amazing thout saying But for the sake of consistency for the sake of the high percentage shot. I think what you're doing is getting your best opportunity to get someone who can come in right away because you can't have someone who's going to need six weeks of the nfl season to get ready. We were talking about how to us and stay. Put paint bravery quarterback Fell but you can't really make more exclusive. Well you know it took a jalen waddled. I'm not saying that it took him six weeks to really find themselves so we didn't see this full work load. That was more s falls. The school's fault yada yada yada for me. I if chases god i think smith in pits i. I really have neck and neck right now. Something that really interests me about. It is the fact that might get sick. He plays the third most snap out of the slot last season. The third most falls out of So you've been really these guys up on the field and had no problem. Even before that. I mean the patriots or n years having the system i just run run up and down the court field. Excuse me and then the they just me about smith the I think Smith would be a great combination with the men. Peter king recently said that now that the dolphins habit six spot a know who's gonna be available. They might try to move one of the receivers and the vodka parker monkey that guy and that kind of baby perk my eyebrows for but this is a team who is roughly six million is over the cap right now after the draft picks traded parker. Same about four billion dollars. If i put my mad scientists had on here for a second. The dolphins have overall pick devante. Parker could be the difference of moving. Backup cena waddell still falls the twelfth somewhere in that range. I think about it. Parker could be. You'll sweetener that admit you get bench especially. Don't get parker having two years off on ten million dollars each year. That is not a lot of money for reserve help. I love what you said about. How like it's great to have the pics but eventually you've got to turn them into players and i couldn't agree more because i look the afc than i think that they are the only division in the nfl where the arrow is definitely pointing up for every single team in the division. And it's going to be a meat grinder in the afc. They got a nail these because the jets have a ton of picks. And i think they have a good gm and a good coach. The patriots reloaded this year. The bills obviously are really good with josh allen. Like miami can't miss on too many of these because there's competition in the afc east like we haven't seen in a long time and it's it's a little nerve wracking because before the draft last year. I thought the go. One of two ways need to be sitting nearby. How chris clears the king of miami or be sitting here by talking about how this excuses you know the pandemic the right guy and that's why we didn't win that you stay around guys so it is a very tight rope Walking right now despite having all these chances there really isn't a lot of room for error which is a really unique situation. Be in mostly because like you said sees. I mean you could see the the jets might be a year. They could bounce a prize. Everyone but there's going to be at least thirty teams competing at the top division I hope a lot of eagles fans. Listen to this podcast. If you didn't know some of the deal not the setup. I was looking for anyway. Where do you think. The realistic raines is for next year's first round. Pick through the dolphins the one that they're giving up to the eagles Like what what do you think the floor outcome is like the worst case scenario realistically then best-case realistically so there's a joke. I always make about the dolphins. The new not mentioned the now winning a playoff game. I like to call them in the hunt. Because they're always a team from mid november there on that graphic having record like six and seven. It's like they're still the honda. Just need a win. All their gains as for the team to lows. So i i think the worst case for the dolphins mugging add. This completely falls apart the brian for his height Down that defense doesn't really have that special sauce add. The turnovers are happening at the alarming rate that they were this year and that was the pop. Us bands is five but if the chips fall the worst way possible conceded dolphins being seven eight. Were seen that evolve ben for four. I'd say probably that in the hot range. Somewhere between cannon twenty probably closer to fifteen to twenty is what. I'm expecting it to be at I'd like to say you know you got thirty seconds. takeover all. Sorry the book with bath but obviously that's not really going to be the case. So yeah i'd say somewhere right around eighteen when the dolphins are picking this year. I i can't see them being much worse than they were last year in. Henan cigarettes is a hard record on provan. So right around that eating five seems about right jake. Thank you very much for the time you can hear jake on the finsider podcast. He is on twitter at j. Mendel ninety four appreciate it. Good luck to the dolphins and we appreciate having you on biaggi. She goes to the dolphins good baby. That is just mean. Hopefully we can do it again soon. Jake got you can hear the rest of this conversation by subscribing to the sp nation nfl show. Wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks to t mobile for sponsoring this episode and for connecting to major league baseball. Like no one else right now. T mobile customers can score a free subscription to mlb when they redeem by april fifth. Where else can you watch tons of games and get access to the largest fastest five g network in america. 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PMS 2.0 125 - PJ Fleck, Ike Taylor, & Kyle Van Noy

The Pat McAfee Show 2.0

57:26 min | 1 year ago

PMS 2.0 125 - PJ Fleck, Ike Taylor, & Kyle Van Noy

"Hello it is November first two thousand nineteen. 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Pj Year back did everything literally redid everything got beautiful practice facilities they get all new state of the art now is their head coach PJ flick I mean it was riveting the video piece that College Game Day did this past weekend was incredible when I saw the player of yours that you gave an incredible opportunity to I think showcase that you're they should genuinely who is going to be touched as much as it was well it's a very touching story and if that story doesn't touch Nebraska here we had an opportunity to possibly make it happen and then the kickoff return got slipped okay his whole life he's been told he won't he can't he shouldn't he wouldn't we're not going to allow nobody can ever take away that he played big ten college football away from him and I think that's something that's how they feel they probably don't know me very well so I I really don't worry about what people on into your facility and then the way we were treated by everybody of your staff was around so quickly you've motivated entire State and organization there to get things going sort of yeah I definitely notice that right I mean this is somebody who could actually appreciate that we'll have four kids of my own and and you know it it's hard when you know that he can't degrade athlete he was able to get out that's amazing The Minnesota gophers also which after experiencing one college Game Day in Brookings South Dakota absolutely electric yeah people watch it and I appreciate you picking the gophers you didn't spend much time on oh grab we really appreciate that and your gear topnotch man I mean you're the you you they have weapons everywhere quarterbacks playing incredibly high level he's a dual threat guy a lot of things with him so that's their version of him they have great running backs off into winds tremendous a long time they've been able to create depth crude at a high level to it's a tremendous challenge thus whenever we were in there we got a chance to kind of see the boys come together Eh got our guys in here in turn around there's no way you could have thought it was going to happen this fast why turn around so quickly or what has been the the magic bullet here well I don't get fired right I mean that's it either happens or a dozen the one thing that we have is incredible people then Sir coaches we have incredible people and then our players are incredible people you hundred community service hours since January we challenge them to be champions and if that's what they really only hard it was just challenging that every day you had to find a way to be better today than you were not for everybody I don't want to be for everybody I'm going to be me I am going I am not going to be for everybody and I think one thing with me it happens very quickly if I'm for some coaches try to be somebody that they're not and they massage things here and there and proud and thankful and very humbled to be at University of Minnesota man what a speech about life you just and by the way more humans are going to like not like this just the way it is keep it moving let's not worry about some college game day was Li I got so excited just because I know how big of a word that is for your program what and my wife would heather always tells me what's what's the hardest part about being the standard is your the standard elite as a necktie mentality prefontaine face and a farmer's Alliance I know that doesn't ever full it's never satisfied whether that's academically athletically socially spiritually him to have this always attack never full mentality and then their whole life as a husband as Graf zero whatever you can do tomorrow find a way to do it today right don't put it off tomorrow because the court the season corner on top and the wind will dictate What are these fancy slogans and words and oh my gosh she's just a slogan guy it's it was is that every day right there is that type of they're out of nowhere is this every day is that what you mean by every day the team is being asked to get assistance you know we want to be comfortable you know we wanted to sit back and watch television and teach you know Thirty sixth graders ancient Rome thirty different ways I been this way my entire life I have energy I passionate I've always had a love for life before I want our players it'd be who they are and they don't have to match my personality but the know each other really well and will fit if you do not match me that way you'll never get me I can be matches mine and that's fit so coach very hard field to have success like you have had but you know you could probably GonNa in order well coach I can't thank you enough Benesova Gophers College Game Day experience now eight okay this is news that just broke this morning I have the the the is completely one hundred percent inaccurate okay good high the way the big ten works Aww Gate Okay Hey coach I'm happy you said that I'm happy we gave you a platform saying that and thanks for joining us DOJ guys wrote the boats game out go go for vitamins rate for those in a little bit of a different head space and then listen to him talk and when you're the standard Droese we had a friend that went to our high school hilarious individual with that in there like what's the worst thing about is like I have to be the perfect marine right so he has to it feels like he has to be because he is the standard he comes in with a bad mood or has a negative feeling as I do it are the beverly you don't I mean also his players want to emulate it hey we got here this morning people are like okay this guy's asked him for Game Day to come but saying we can't have a night game people really saying he's violation of scared taste bad about PJ Fleck against Penn state I would say many bad things about companies neighbors shyness and they've traded these things called Hammocks twenty two year old kid that buys a house that shouldn't buy a house boys the space and security they need it's like nothing I've 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you think the colts only favored by one Andrew luck retired pretty much everybody kind of them under the bus wonder the Patriots when they need to they run so everybody's everybody gets it when I mean did you a defense off the team you gotta be able to run the ball and that's what the the coast met at-bats and the rest of those guys are free so I like what I'm seeing out of the coast Juju is slowly but surely finding out that it's harder to be Batman down whatever he's healthy he's held You still have some of the young received was soda core so I think the coach going to win by maybe thirty but that's neither here nor there I'm big time fan of them Clark type ended up friend of yours team to yours I would assume as a defensive player in the NFL you analogy gm John Lynch Okay anybody just understand defensive ends and you see with Nick Nick Bozos dorm with the linebackers go get phrases bill when John Lynch became a GM would exact exactly what he wanted to the we we we did a football full years Richard Sherman and company when they had the leading the Nice win a game I don't know what world of coach like running the ball and how he guys open to run the ball from zones demands coming did you play with a manual man fishing is a picture we had eating manual sense after we got rid of San Antonio homes we used to call them boys not really no very much from the matrix there's a guy named neo who plays quarterback up there for the New England patriots defeatable this year that Defense is better than I've ever seen it before for New England yeah they are how are you got to you I may it makes them look well and if you WANNA put in a conversation between atom we're only time all the time but at the same time you've got to look at the scope if you just look at the rector I don't know if you've got guys that guys back and pull it up just they would find some okay teams in defense you can't you can't knock them in I WANNA get into the meat of the schedule wouldn't play good 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Is The Patriots Dynasty Done?

The Lead

16:40 min | 9 months ago

Is The Patriots Dynasty Done?

"In the new england patriots slim playoff hopes took a potentially fatal blow on sunday for the first time in nine years the buffalo bills in orchard park today the jeff how on what's gone wrong in new england if there's any chance that pets can get back on track and whether the patriots dynasty his now officially over just when you want to count the patriots out they come back like the undertaker. So i'm not gonna sit here. Declare the dynasty dead because a lot of people have had some egg on their face from doing that many many times in the past from wondering and the athletic. I'm under skelter and i'm davidson. It's tuesday november third and this is the lead. It felt like something was happening. There is something of emotion the past. Because you've seen this isn't a story you never be the athlete. It stays with you jeff. Let's start with the patriots game against the bills on sunday. The patriots kept it close and actually had a chance to win it or tie it late in the fourth quarter. Can you walk us through what happened on that. Final drive well for the first time in weeks and what's become a very long season. They actually had some offensive chemistry and the running game was working. Harris falls forward inside the five harris right now is shredding the bills seven yards on that carries up to eighty four on the day. They snapped that streak. Six consecutive quarters without a touchdown. And we're rolling. The backed back touchdown drives newton touchdown patriots. Does it looked like they had a chance to go in. For the game winning touchdown cam newton just at the fourteen yard line chased down by three hundred pound defensive tackle and got stripped with thirty seconds left and that was the game. Union is just the latest in a line. Mistakes that have continued to cost this team. Bob patriots turnover. Thirty one seconds away from ending this streak. This game on sunday had pretty big implications for the afc east and the bills are now firmly situated at the top of the division. What does this loss mean for. The patriots playoff hopes this year. They're virtually nonexistent at this point. There the thirteen seed in the afc there. Two and a half games behind the browns for the final playoff spot. I've covered the team for twelve years. And i have never encountered a situation like this. This is just completely uncharted territory for the patriots. I'm not going to sit here and say two months from now. If they make some crazy run. I would be shocked. Because that's what the patriots historically done. You count him out. They come right back to life like the undertaker gift but the likelihood of that happening is extremely slim close to none. Obviously one of the big story lines was cam newton replacing tom brady as the starting quarterback going into the season early on it looked cam was going to excel in new england but he struggled in recent games. What do you think has gone wrong in this last month. The first three games of the season when cam newton was a guy that i wrote was going to be in the mvp conversation. Who's playing that well. And then he went on. The covid list wasn't able to practice for a week's and since then he's just been a completely different player. The problem is there are times when they're asking him to play perfect. And that's just not always realistic. Whether you're cam newton or tom reed. I mean you're not always going to have that perfect game. The margin of error is pretty thin because of the lack of depth in high end talent at wide receiver and tight ends. I think they got the worst collection of skill players in football. I just i look at the patriots. And i said it's been a long time coming and now you know why tom brady wanted out. And then last week. Julian edelman knee was just too much for him to keep going out there. He had to have surgery. Nikiel harry suffered a concussion against san francisco so bank. Now you're down two of your top three wide receivers and that's tough glances off the hands of myers. He's the only receiver that has been in the mix so far for the patriots lands. Cam newton is missing lottery. A lot of open receivers as cam looking to go up top. He's got plenty time. Now they chase him and he'll take off a out just pass. The forty pushed out of bounds. There has been some sloppy footwork. He's got this strange mechanical issue where his left foot is foot will kind of drift to the side off to the left. When he's making some passes in it happens sporadically for no apparent reason. I mean it doesn't happen when he's pressured it's just it's kind of a strange thing and that's led to some of his throws so there's been a lot of struggles and again. This shouldn't be all on him. The lack of high talent or depth at two very important skill positions has put him in a situation where a lot of times. He's having to play perfect football and he's just coming up short of that. What is cam had to say about his relatively poor play this season. He's really accountable. I love listening to him. Speak just because he's so forthright and really informative. I wasn't good enough. No way shape form. Put his team in a position to compete. And that's inexcusable. This is a national football league. Were allowed is put on a quarterback. And you know. I have to deliver. And i haven't done that. When he makes a mistake he owns it. He'd never deflects criticism and almost too much where you see why. His teammates love him as a leader. So much for instance earlier in the season. Nikial harry had a really bad game and cam. Newton went to bat form and said a lot of people just focused on the fumble in granted. It'd be the first person to tell you. He knows or he will be the first person to say that he knows that unacceptable. But obviously when you just put things into perspective and you call. The apple annapolis the spayed. It was just wall mistake. I think it's admirable the way that he really is willing to to put all that attention on him because of some of the poor play which some of it has been his fault and some of has been external factors last season. The patriots had one of the best defenses in football but this year they've struggled on that side of the ball especially against the run. Why do you think their defense has regressed so much from last season two. Now yeah a major rosser purge their three best pass rushers in two thousand and nineteen were. Kyle van noy dont'a hightower and jamie colds. Hightower had his best season last year. Pass rusher. He's opted out due to covid concerns. Kyle van noy jamie collins. Scott paid in free agency left for miami and detroit. And then landon roberts who was their fifth linebacker also went to miami so lack of bodies the amount of rosser turnover especially in the front seven. I mean it's no wonder why teams having so much success running on them. We talked about cam but the patriots as a team have been particularly hard. Hit by cova. Prior to the start of the season multiple players opted out over concerns over the virus and then a few weeks ago. A game against the broncos was postponed due to multiple positive tests. Just how much of what we've seen from. The patriots can be attributed to the pandemic considerable amount. And it's crazy. Because they were playing relatively well they were two and one and they were going to play the chiefs and the defense played probably his best game of the season against kansas city. You know yet again. Bill comes up with another great plan to stymie. Patrick mahomes wise. Jason homes it depletes cam. Newton was playing considering the way that he played in the first. Three games of the season is a very realistic chance at the patriots go into kansas city. Win that game instead brian. Hoyer was awful and has since been relegated to the third quarterback job on the depth chart. Play action boyer up. He's he is intercepted at the forty three yard. Line right into the hands of one thornhill and then. The denver game gets most phones. Lee sloppy against the broncos. A team that they should've wallet and didn't on me for a final time and ten peres one in foxborough. Eighteen twelve over the patriots. So the seasons completely thrown out of whack because of that covid situation earlier in the year and in a perfect world the patriots might be sitting here five and two maybe even six one and prime to go on a run here but they've lost four in a row for the first time in eighteen years there. 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They want the patriots to be sellers and get it because the next year's draft glass is loaded especially on offense and they can solve a lot of their problems with wide. Receivers tight ends and quarterbacks in the twenty twenty one draft and it would make sense to trade off some of your best pieces to try to maximize capital next year. But you can't just give them away just for the sake of giving them away in terms of incoming talent. You don't know who your quarterback is going to be next year and you know what maybe it will be cam newton. How do you evaluate that when you've got the issues with depth at the skill positions that we've already discussed so. Does that make you a little more anxious to say you know what if i can give up a fifth round pick for golden tate. I think that's a trade that you have to seriously consider making because no it might not help make a run. It might not get you into the playoffs this year. But as you're trying to evaluate the quarterback position with the guys that you have on your roster you have to at least give them a fair shake with some of those skill players. If the price is right when tom brady left the patriots it felt like everyone wanted to use this season to settle the debate on who was more important to the patriots success. It is probably the most asked question in the nfl over the last two decades. Is it brady or is it bill. Who is most responsible for the unprecedented run of success. The patriots enjoyed over twenty years. Maybe this year we will finally find out. It's obviously reductive to put it in those terms but if the patriots continue to struggle this year tampa bay continues to look strong. Do you think that this year will have settled that debate of brady vs bella check. No you're not looking at super bowls if you've only got one and not the other and it doesn't matter who the one is and i think the consistency the belichick is had had coach is a reason why even in the years they're not winning super bowls they're still in contention and they're just so conditioned to handle some of these external issues that you don't see the if you don't see missed playoff appearances that you get from a pete carroll team or a john harbaugh team so i think the consistency. The belichick has had has kept the patriots in contention and then in the years when belichick hasn't had his game in terms of the roster building or other outside issues. You've had tom. Brady keeping them in contention as well so there's never going to be a right or wrong. Answer in that debate my opinion. We'll finally jeff. This would be the first time in a decade. that new england hasn't made the playoffs. If things continue to go downhill. Can we actually say that. After twenty years we've seen the end of the patriots dynasty. It's depends how you define the dynasty because if you define it as belichick and brady than yeah. Of course i mean. It's over because brady's no longer here but if you define it as what belichick's teams can continue to do. Then it's hard to label the death of the dynasty in real time because you could have done that in two thousand eight when brady taurasi l. Or you could have done it in two thousand nine when they had major locker room issues and they were barreling toward a complete rebuild in two thousand ten but in two thousand and they went fourteen and two. So you can sit here and say that. They're going to have their worst season. Twenty years in in may wind up being true and it could put them in a position where they're rebuilding again. But you never know how quickly some of these draft classes that might not have come to fruition yet. you know. Maybe that happens down the stretch here. Maybe they start to build some momentum for twenty twenty one. Maybe those young guys start to play better next year. The way that the two thousand ten class did and you get a faster reload than you might have expected because you know again said earlier just when you wanna come the patriots out. They come back like the undertaker. And it's certainly possible if not probable. That's going to happen here. So i'm not going to sit here and declare the dynasty dead because a lot of people have had some egg on their face from doing that many many times in the past. Well jeff. Thanks so much for joining us. Absolutely you can follow jeff house coverage of the patriots at the athletic dot com from wondering athletic. I'm could be the davidson. See you tomorrow now. There are more ways to be a team with microsoft teams. Bring everyone together in one space with a new virtual room. Collaborate live drawing sharing and building ideas with everyone on the same page. 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