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Hour 3: 90's Baseball

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

00:00 sec | 2 years ago

Hour 3: 90's Baseball

"The. We have been waiting around one of the things that different about doing national radio, as opposed to local radio, as we have to do a lot of waiting around for sound to clear. And so today has just been and we have been very unpopular in the last couple of weeks in Indianapolis are show, take some getting used to many people hate at the beginning, and then love it. Many people hated the beginning and continue to hate it. All the more regardless Indianapolis should love us because there is no show in America. None anywhere, who loves Andrew luck more than this show. Loves Andrew luck. Andrew lock is a fascination to us because in two thousand nineteen we are marveling at his general squareness, as he climbs the top the pillar of sports. We think that someone who looks like that in terms of balding, and whatnot needs to be running sports the way Terry Bradshaw, did. Once upon a time because we need to be able to call that our greatest athlete. But something that looks like that talks like that behaves like that needs to be America's greatest athletes. So Mike was very excited when he saw Tom Hanks, another guy who knows exactly how to be just everyone loves him. Tom Hanks is meeting Andrew luck. I have not heard the sound I haven't heard it. This is incredible. I don't wanna I don't wanna oversell this. But it's it's amazing tastic. It's a two most likeable people in the country. It is the most innocent conversation. I think ever is there anything else that we need to set this up. And is there anything you need to know because the sound how cleared I'm ready to hear it at one point someone was asking Tom Hanks for an autograph, and you look hands. His sharpie, and says, here's a pen, okay? So is there anything else that we need to know because this is largely visual anything else that needs to be known before we start doing this. There's last there's a rarely used cliches that are dusted off in terms of just teaching life skills. This is ma'am, I just smiling from ear. Ear to ear at the end of the clip. They're also going to take a picture together. And there's some confusion as to what the POS is going to be an Andrew, lex trying to do it where they're shaking hands, and Tom Hanks pulls away, and you're a little disappointed. Listen for that. All right. So hold on a second. Just just real quick wearing. Andrew lucked jersey. There's no conversation. I'd rather hear than Andrew luck at Tom Hanks. Well, I so is this as, as this as square as I imagined it to be are you saying that this is Pleasantville? This is nineteen fifties America to be square. Okay. Here. It's awesome fantastic. Love watching you play here for sure. How often have you suffered because your last night? Pop Warner goes poke ways. Here's a here's a pile, but it's good basically sports. It made fun of for everything doesn't matter what. Skin like an Armadillo as coach. You studied social media. Stay off. I just a little tool for social media. To ignore anything about gossip will do a handshake a hand are you into the picture like coaches camp? Will be Tom simulate shaking hands. Mike. I need you isolate that laughed and make a song out of that laugh, isn't Andrew lucked like twenty six. What do you mean these two old for social media? Armadillo all. Social media after the office. I just a little tool for social media. Deal that one right there. That's the one that I want. Let's do something with it. That needs to be running sports and you're with us on this. Right. That needs to be galloping across the landscape replacing Tom Brady as our national football hero. I'll go with that have -solutely. He will represent the league the way the league wants to be represented. He would never be in favor of anything. Marijuana related. I don't know that, but. Put it on the phone on the poll Guillermo is Andrew luck in favor of anything. Marijuana related. Does kind of sound like it. He's over laughing because tanks, right? Normal. Laughing. I thought the whole thing sounded very genuine guys don't think he's overlapping because Tom Hanks's a monster celebrity, put it on the poll gear at lebatardshow is Andrew luck over laughing. Because Tom Hanks is a monster celebrity. The question is not that funny from Tom Hanks, your name must be a real nightmare. Lot gets the same laugh. No matter what Morlin MAC, lasts the same way of Marlin MAC delivers a joke, laughing at his own line into old for social media, who, yes he was. He's a door. There's no one in the world nicer than Andrew, look, there, just isn't. What gear mo- I just wanna be as friends so bad. I feel like he'd be such a supportive person in my Lau he'd be such a good friend wanna go to the zoo with him walk around jazz Goyal. So lucky we are all jealous petrol, we are for sure. Take them for granted. Like they don't realize what a good friend. They haven't Andrew lugging, like I don't want Andrew to come around again. Put it on the poll at lebatardshow is Andrew luck under appreciated by his friends. I think it's an important question because how can you appreciate that properly out? We haven't Indianapolis hates us in every regard. They don't think that our infatuation with Andrew love. Andrew luck is something that they can get behind gonna have the skin of an Armadillo. Him so much. You're gonna have the we that, that's the right word though, stand, that is the right word. I don't understand how something that innocent exists in sports in two thousand nineteen still has a flip phone too old for social media twenty nine of course, he loves Tom Hanks. I mean what a great job is parents, raising a good man. You know what I'm going to say this, and you guys knocked me off here. If I go all in on this game is there anyone in sports, who most embodies what Tom Hanks was trying to do in big than Andrew luck in the movie. Big where he is a grown-up child. I just loved the game. A grownup respectful child, respectful, say gronk. But then you said respect. No not knucklehead. You can't put. Spongebob. Stanford, educates, Beasley, Beasley watches SpongeBob, I suspect, that Beasley would probably be more pro marijuana than Andrew Luckett gods here, Memorial Day might be the unofficial start to summer. But with how hot it's been for many of us, we could officially welcome back, sweating through the night tossing and turning and not sleeping sure running a C or fan all night could help a bit, but to sleep really cool, and comfortable like I do get rid of your heat trapping matches and get a casper. The casper mattress combines four layers of pressure relieving phones for all night comfort. 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Motorcycle took fifteen minutes to click on the banner ad entitled, you won't believe what these child stars look like now be dissatisfied and kind of said about how the child stars look and now your computer is plagued by pop up ads can't be to add insult to injury. You could've used those fifteen click mate minutes to switch your motorcycle insurance to gyco. Geigo fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on motorcycle insurance. Donlevatar my for some reason I saw you in the room, they're working on what I thought was your Andrew luck. I wasn't sure I walk into the room and of course, what they're talking about is, who. In sports, would you call to rescue your life? If you were a threatening situation and feel like you were going to actually be rescued. And so he's working on his Andrew lucked. So let's go ahead and play it out Stu gods. Not something I wanted to, but I absolute you'll save your law. We'll tell this. Neutralize the threat. Secure perimeter. You know get you back. A happy wife happy life. Fact oil these live at our show with his two guys on ESPN radio. If you missed any of the show, you can listen to all three hours of the Dan lebatardshow. Plus our Miami Elliott, our and our best podcast on demand in the ESPN app and subscribe to the daughter, France podcast network, featuring south beat sessions, poverty, and our brand new podcast mystery great featuring the shipping container new episodes every week lease rate. Ed subscribe, it's all valuable in the more tab of the ESPN app, the mystery crate this week is it's normally a mystery. But this week, we are going to have some of the stuff from the New York show that you guys are clamoring for we're going to throw it in there, because you've been asking for it so that we could be slightly less self involved here, and more self involved there. Willard billy. Billy helped me out with something here. I wanted to talk about something here with STAN Van Gundy, involving the warriors and. Steph curry playing seemingly better when Kevin Durant not around in 'em looking great when Kevin Durant not around. But before I do that you were distracted by something on the television. You felt the need to shout at me longshots, Dan. Yeah. Well, we talked about it earlier today, and I just wanted you to see it so sportscenter coast to coast, which is the twelve o'clock edition of it with Kerry champion David Lloyd. They do the segment called longshots where every day, they pick someone get this, that they think is gonna hit a home run that night, a long shot exam and Kerry, champions really good at it. So I was telling you about, and you seem surprised about an engineer good at it. Oh, she's good at it. I think I saw last week record with five and ten done it fifteen times where you're just picking a random guy in the sport of baseball and five times she that person on that day hit a home run, Terry knows baseball so Lloyd's. Like one in good the Marlins well, so we were talking about it earlier today, Dan, and I thought that you may think that I was making it up so long shots just onsite. Wanted to show you unfortunately, I miss who carry pick. So I couldn't tell you oh, you saw Anthony Ren, don't know Lloyd, pick the Lonzo who cares you could say Lloyd do, but really who cares? Who thinks he's guys wanna play this right now? Let's plays it and survives to the next round tomorrow. Let's whoever gets it right survives. Until the next round tomorrow. Let's go around the room by the Yankees playing the Orioles again today, the Orioles give up a lot of home runs. Stan more through forty nine games than any team in the history of the sport hundred. It's a little crazy. I'll take tour. That's my guy. You see what he's done against just the Orioles S four multi Homer games against the Orioles season. Twelve home runs have been against the Oreo stain. So that's who's to God's taking you can't take who's he's, he's taking. Who do you have stand pick somebody? Well, you know what this could be a day off for some team? So I want to check the schedule I go to somebody else who doesn't play today. All right. That's fine. There's only about half the team's plane. Okay. Did stugatz just get eliminated because he didn't see the schedule. The Orioles do play the Yankees, they do matter of fact, they're coming on and just a few minutes. Got Scott right in there and the best lawn. So we will we will be what, Mike, what are you shaking your head? No about. It's the best one I got one baseball player. I've heard of I'm going Luke Voight. Nice nice. I saw over the weekend. I was going to go deep at any moment. You're right. I'm gonna go havi by as I just feel it. Sure they're playing to. I'm going Nolan are an auto also. Is Ryan Braun plank tonight. Now or an auto is brought his not. All right. I'll resume I will. Now check the schedule. Stan Van Gundy, tells you why the warriors are better with Steph curry then with Kevin Durant. Well, I don't think that they are. I mean they're better. They need both of them to win the championship, but in a short sample like this, I think is get excited. Steph curry gets to go back to being undisputed the guy and I think that is energized. Plus the fact that he gets the ball in his hands more, you know, you're going to in virtually every time down the floor. He gets a little bit better rhythm. He has been absolutely phenomenal. What's really happened is Draymond green as much as anything. It's best I've ever seen him play. Particularly the last two games in Portland. So, you know, everybody gets energized to prove it's not all Kevin Durant. We see it a lot in pro sports, but it tends to diminish over time. And I don't think they really wanna play the finals without him ROY is eliminated. The cardinals do not play today. Oh, sorry. I'm gonna be out, Dan, Matt Harvey is starting today. Okay. The fake as he is starting for the angels. They're taking on the twins. The twinkies are very good baseball team. And they got a lot of guys who hit a lot of home runs I go with the twinkie if I were you if you name one Harvey's on the angels. Now, let me on the red. Yeah. He's an angel. He's pitching badly for the angels, that you should go Corey Kaczynski. I just wanna do I wanna do this. Favorite show. Let's do it. Seward is still hanging around what you just. Listen, if you wanna serious one though and I'll play that game with Michael day. But Eddie Rosario for the twinkies. That would be a good thing not to be confused with easy. Eddie Dotto Doug McKay. We've already banned. Here's someone already say, man, cave, it the walk into the Atlantic Ocean. Didn't make gave it's going to diocese without homerun wasn't really wouldn't count on his pop. He watch for a funny name there is only was doing did he go to Westminster Christian. I believe he did Doug McKay. Did yes he did that one? I know. Yes. He did. We'll have that one. I know yes. She did the mighty with a rod at least for part of it. He meets with Iran, that it's correct. We know so much about Westminster Christian. Here is Miguel Cabrera healthy. Yeah. He's gonna fight batting average. But he does not heading. I don't know that that's coming back for him. I mean really? Yeah. He's, he's just hitting line drives and hard line. Drives hitting the ball pretty well but he's not getting a lift on the ball at all. Really? So I don't think he's gonna hit many Michael KC, dammit. Oh man. That is real. Oh boy. Go with Francisco Lynn door allow going nice ones, Justin Moore, new. Former MVP. Yes. He does an MVP. Can you guys help me out here? Gimme a tiger tiger's playing the Marlins. And I'm basically just. Tiger Nico, good room. Look at how excited STAN is to play this game. Good room. Yeah. Yeah. Brandon inge. He was he was hack all baseball because he could play it catcher even though play game at catcher. He broke in, I guess, as a catcher, but you can put them as your catcher and you'd get third base pop. You lead catcher position. You'd also get a one ninety one average. But some some readies, Dan, you wanna tiger with some hot you're looking at Ronnie Rodriguez. Their second baseman leads the team with six home runs and not a great option. All right. I'll take him anyway just because he's planning the Marlins. I gave you the guy. Very oh man. I'm telling you CJ crowed, you suddenly engage Rendon. Okay here a rookie. I'm gonna give you a rookie right here. Brendan Rodgers Colorado at Pittsburgh today. I'm gonna give you another twin Kyle Loesch. Oh. Insist on playing. All right. Fine. Let's play nineties baseball. Let's go ahead. And do this. Specific team. That's the new lane. It's an evolution of those ninety twins teams. Fantastic. Oh, yeah. Her bag. Let's go around. You got Dan gladden at third who's the shortstop on those glad and was was an outfielder. I think it was Gary guy, eighty at their guy had all I'm talking Gardenhire era tors. Not in the lineup today. I don't know Boone's up to Arden higher manager player manager manager managing the Tigers now. So. No, no, no, no garden garden. Yes, they have Eric, Milton. Did last year too. Pay attention here. No, you guys missed what I was saying was the aero, we're selecting from Gardenhire as a player, which would in the nineties, or as a manager zone nanager. I think Mike was saying, we will sort this all out and get to this important matter. In a second donlevatar Latimer. Gary seven in war in nationals Expos history, stugatz. How many Expos are ahead of him? Oh easy. Gary Carter's, I like him Raines rock. Andre Dawson off Steve Rogers JR. Tim Wallich wall. And then Ryan Zimmerman and then ZIM these live at our show with this Stu gods on ESPN radio. Gamma put it on the poll mayonnaise. We know how STAN Van Gundy is gonna stand on all this. He doesn't like change of any kind specially none around food is the plainest eater. In the history of eating. But would you want catch up and mayonnaise in the same bottle? I like Ken asking you. I know what your answer. Well, I like both of them stand. But here's, here's what I'm thinking I actually liked putting them on separately. I do not want them mixed in the same bottle. I'd prefer to do it separately. You know what they get the mix correct rights to correct the way, I want it to be correct. You know what they should invent? They should have a bottle and feel free to send me royalties when you invent this. They should have a bottle that split down the middle and has two little squeezy things half of it is ketchup and half of it is mustard to mention that's good. Eventually another work just after the punctuation, be that sound on what you're offering was. And we get mustard in there, too. Can we'd be three way thing. Oh, yeah. That's too much excessive need to calm down. Stan, none of mustard mix with manny's better than ketchup does what, what? Yes. What? No gear what mixes matter better with mayonnaise mustard or catch up what you've just said is appalling what you've just said, is an offence to anyone who's ever eaten. Nobody's gonna agree with you on that stand. I, I mean, my tastes may be of higher quality than other people's. And so they may not agree. I mean you know, they may not reach my level, but I can I can live with that standard ever even tried it. I've never considered it. Good. Very good on a Hamburg. You've, you've discussed it. Everybody in the room where each other Billy's begun gagging, not since he ate, an onion, raw has he looked like that on his face. I mean I don't understand that. First of all, catch up. Oh my God. Don't like it on anything. But what catching your on American? Be dragged right out of this country. I shouldn't say that catch up on, we'll have a little bit of catch-up occasionally on Meatloaf. And that's it. But the people who put it on, like scrambled eggs, that's disgusting like it's delicious. Oh Stahl catch awful yoga stop. There's a time in a place for catch up. I'm with you on scrambled eggs, but say like what do you put on French fries? What do you do on just just the French fries? Yeah. I don't need anything. No sauce. What's, yeah. All right like rise. Okay. Put that on the poll, French fries plane or with condiments jock Jones. Jock. Jones played well for those twins teams with Doug man cave. It's and when Gardez first team there might they had remember they had big Papi on his first team there. Oh, that's right. That was before the steroid nickel. That's a good one. Lou ford. What you guys are doing though. That makes it hard for me. L E W. By the way, I'm preferring an older team. You guys are making me feel old because if we're talking old twins teams, I want to go, you know, herbeck Brunen ski, I wanna I wanna go to wurley for everybody. I'm feeling left out of this conversation say Joe maze in your back in. Jay pairs. Stance good at this. Say how about if I go Ron Carter vice though my going to long I'm playing it wrong again. Ron Carter vices calculates was long before then yeah. I'm playing the game. Wrong. This amazing, the Ortiz I feel lonely. Yes, go and look at up if you want to hall of Famer David or deed named in the Mitchell report, but denied very strongly players Tribune that he ever used steroids or any performance enhancers. Because he's been tested more than anyone ever, he said and you only start getting tested if you failed one of those tests that he failed. I know but at least at least he could still deny it. I mean, imagine the power of the Mitchell report that Sammy Sosa forgot how to speak a language on the on the heels of the Mitchell report, totally lost his language skills, just because of one report looking back on that time. It's so great. It's so much fun. I told you about that movie. If you've seen the movie screwball that Billy Corbin did about just recent steroid. Nonsense. No. All right. You got to check that you really like it because it's just a clown show. That's cartoonish, but don't you miss steroid? Stan, don't you miss that era of baseball? I'm dead serious. Well, look, I mean, we all miss the exploits, certainly the season of Sosa and McGwire really brought brought baseball back. And it gave us Jose can Saco trying to catch fly balls. So you had to like that, too. But it just said dangerous for the players that it's hard to enjoy it for too long. Mickey tettleton. He was not on that twins. He can mash though. Hearing any principal. With some of these baseball. Absolutely should have known. Trying to get him to adhere to something. No, no. I just momentarily lost my mind and thought we were staying on one top, you mentioned Draymond earlier playing the two best games that you have seen from him in his career dream on always shows up people forget that even in that historic laws for Golden State trae, Mon was the only guy in game seven who decided he wanted to come play against Llodra. Lebron everything Abhran had that day. You know he defensively. He's pretty consistent though. He spent at buys own admission. He spent a good part of this season out of shape and did not play well, but loss await late in the year started playing better defense when he's in shape and ready to go is consistent. But the offense the way he is pushed the ball up the floor in the last two games, and then his decision, making, this is the most aggressive offense. I've seen him play even before Durant. Kane, you know, when there were more. Opportunities. He was not nearly this aggressive offensively. And that's been a big part of their success. These last two games, suck knob block. Rick Aggie Lara. Hey. Such a fun game. Remember that fan? They used to cheat for turn on the fans of their players. Hit home runs. Von Hayes often spun. How? Mel hall. Who long ago? L hall isn't Mel holy eighties. Nineties early nineties, Terry Mulholland. Just like randomly throwing out name field. You like seventies on me. In the eighties late seventies early eighties by the ninety s he made his way to the twinkies. Oh, put that on the poll. Do you remember the World Series Winfield on the no? He was not Hugh. Remember David, no way, no way World Series. A big bet. Let's make he wasn't on the World Series team of the Minnesota Twins of nineteen Ninety-one. How is their outfield wall? The same materials of public Spag, by the way. How he didn't get back to Minnesota chills. Yeah. Yeah. Ninety three ninety three Mr. two years. Donlevatar. Stugatz. These are show with two guys on ESPN radio at lebatardshow on Instagram and Twitter is where you find the ability to vote on the polls will get to the weird texts from Mike dad in a second. But at lebatardshow Instagram and Twitter, what do you have to be Twitter poll is brought to you by Dollar Shave Club? Dollar Shave Club delivers the product you used a look feel and smell your best right to your door. Plus with their handsome discount. The more you buy, the more you save go to dollarshaveclub dot com slash Dan. Very special offer. Again, at lebatardshow on Twitter, scrolling up here for just a second sorry about that is rockstar, obviously, what Mark Wahlberg top five movies. How is that possible stand? What are your thoughts on? You know, you've got departed you've got boogie nights. You've got what else Ted three kings? Hasn't seen any then can help us up come on stand. You've seen a Mark Wahlberg movie. No. I've seen Ted. And I've seen three kings have not seen departed really, really. Departed? All right. We'll, we'll get a date bent today saying, I'm thinking if anyone on the show, you would wanna go see a movie with it would be Billy Wright. Yeah. Absolutely right. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. We would. We would have fun. Yeah. We. I mean, we'll have to if I come to Miami, then we gotta do it at Billy's house. I don't think it's in the theaters still. So I can't imagine STAN watching head. Put that on the poll Guillermo, is it hard to imagine STAN Van Gundy, watching the movie, Ted aqua. Better movie boogie nights or the departed sixty nine percent of the audience said the departed. It's who changes their numbers, more NBA players, or fugitives of a drug dealers. We probably should have gone drug dealers there. We'll sixty one percent of the audience at NBA player. Do you think that bucks, wait a minute? What are you laughing about you're the one who triggered that poll because you're just wondering how many of those people have experienced with either fugitives or NBA players, have their numbers changed on them? So that's sort of what I was laughing about. Did you think that Buck Showalter was older than sixty three? Eighty six percent of the audience said, yes. Great observations. Where does Buck Showalter rank in like in terms of all time? Great sports names. Just always up there. Like, if, if we're sitting here having a conversation about what are the not the funniest names in sports. Just the best names that connotes sport. He's seventy third at mytalk one hundred. Looking for an exact number? I mean listen. You have your own ranking system and I have mine. But if my manager is named buck show, Walter feeling pretty good about my chances, I got him on sort of like and I'm going to go back to the twins. I'm sorta like in it. Now, Rocco ball deli on together. Number fifty eight. So right about Rocco Bono early two thousand. Let's go early two thousands raise. Lebatardshow Instagram and Twitter is there so much pressure. When your group on is expiring. Fifty nine percent of the audience. Billy said, yes. Have you ever shot narrow seventy four percent of the audience says? Yes. Is Andrew lock in favor of anything. Marijuana related sixty four percent of the audience at no. Says the get the people that he has sportscenter mobilized because stand said earlier that Andrew luck is marijuana guy. I did not say that I thought he would be he would be okay with other people using it. I didn't say it was a marijuana. It sound pretty white. You guys a claim that I have said, more things that I said, I pretty much thought I heard you say that he's got a pot dispensary nears pool. I'm sure I heard that. Is Andrew lock over laughing. Because Tom Hanks is a muster celebrity seventy six percent of the audience said, yes. He's in Andrew luck under appreciated by his friends. Mainly Jack Doyle, eighty three percent of the audience said, yes, Ben grieve. Oh, wow. Stop my tracks. Greg gone. Mcgriff James loaning go slow Carlos pain. You Wade Boggs. Vaughn. The honor Navarro. Jose. It's moving fast Tako. Oh, we're talking over each other. God. I love it. Talk show, Instagram and Twitter got carried away Miguel Cairo. Would you catch him in as in the same bottle? Eighty two percent of the audience out. There we go. Nice job. Dukes crawford. What makes us better with manny's catch-up mustard? You're gonna get buried here. Stand, I am going to get killed closer than you think. Sixty seven percent of the audience catch up, Jeff plump. Those are the polls. Vinnie cassia. On Vinnie Shelley Duncan. You wanna do all those early nineties Rockies. Go look at Vinny Castilla Dante. Bichette. Entre, scholar, Rog. Let a great outfield. Kyle big. A big. Stan, you want to get in on this early nineties early ninety really. Enjoy it, though. Early two thousand. Preston Wilson, you only know these finish evalu-, the only way to know your that Barney's got off and twenty-five Homer show. Walker. Larry walk to raise Adam Pyatt back to raise. Who would just jump around? I mean, we just throw out names how to be baseball players at this point back throughout name factories, who are actually named Ray. Sanchez. Wow way. Mike you at Varmus back in two thousand nine that was the big season. It's one three homers. That was great value for middle infield. Right, man. Good player that's low for cruise field. Twenty three go. Look at Casillas numbers at chorus field and not didn't you? Tell me was tough. Didn't didn't you tell me gamma that Vinny Castilla had like a million home runs? One season finish like eleventh in, in, in the MVP the steroid era, I think it may have been Larry Walker. But there was a rocky that finished with, like forty eight home runs. One hundred seventy RBI's that finish like eighth and MVP. I think it's worse than that. I bet you can find that it was somebody with better numbers, and a worst finish in that MVP vote. No, it was Vinny Casta forty six runs a hundred and forty four or be is that he finished eleventh. I told you, you miss Sarah. I told you that is good come on. That's fantastic had three singles away from course field. Although he menace. He was so good. Right.

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260: Bob Nightengale on the state of baseball and negotiation predictions

Red Sox Beat

30:08 min | 10 months ago

260: Bob Nightengale on the state of baseball and negotiation predictions

"Art Everybody. Let's do this episode to sixty a magic number in the summer of two thousand four to sixty. This is Josh Lewin. What do I mean by that? You guys remember to sixty thing a rod and Varitek at Home Plate in Oh four in July going face to face and a-rod supposedly says throw that blank over the plate and Varitek hey dude. Dude. We don't hit too sixty hitters, and that's when you see Alex Rodriguez look at Varitek and go F- You F you, and then there's the broad and the Bell Horn homerun and the summer of Oh four with the group video that all started pretty much there the railing from down three in the AL, so yes, the first world series title and And Eighty six years against here about that Let's see what else was to sixty Kevin Youkilis is batting average that two thousand four season. His rookie season as you may recall Andre Dawson's career batting average is a red sox. His hundred nineteen games that was to sixty are to sixty. Here's what we're doing as we try to sift through all the nonsense. Nonsense well, there'd be baseball. In Twenty Twenty Bob Nightingale has been covering this for USA Today very adroitly very well, so we looked him up, and he was kind enough to jump on with us. I gotta give you a little bit of a caveat here our conversation with the first, maybe two or three minutes. The audio is not great. We fix it. About two or three minutes into a about a fourteen fifteen minute conversations, or just a heads up on that we'll have some red sox centric items for you to and I do want to get into obviously where we are at this moment in time regarding what's going on in baseball, but before we dive in I just heard myself mentioning two thousand four. And I'd like to go back there for just a minute, because we could all use a good B. Twelve shot of yesterday in our but cheeks right about now the little things from two thousand four that get forgotten you know I wasn't around. There wasn't a Red Sox guy. You know. Four followed them from afar. I was working for the Texas Rangers then, but I remember the thirty two inning, scoreless streak from the pitching staff at the end of April. Obviously, we mentioned the Varitek a-rod thing getting a wildcard, and then what they did in the postseason. Do we realize how remarkable that? That was the sweep of one hundred five win cardinals team after they rallied from down three nothing against the one hundred one win Yankees and in that world series they outscored the cardinals twenty four to twelve. They never trailed for even a minute of a four game series wanted Saint Louis. sluggers did nothing Scott rolen was over fifteen Jim Edmonds was one for fifteen with the one hit being a bind single, the finale played under the full moon, and the lunar eclipse on the anniversary of the game, seven loss to the mets and eighty six I. mean you can't make that stuff up. So just for Shits Gigs, I'm recording this podcast episode to sixty on the date of June twenty seconds, so I went, and looked up June twenty second, two, thousand and four four curt schilling against the twins Kyle Loesch at fenway and I. Don't know I mean you know the Red Sox were forty and twenty nine with that win, so obviously had us feeling things we're GONNA go okay. In front of the fenway sell out on a Tuesday night. Red sox broke it open broke open. A close game was six in the seventh inning. There was a Nomar Grand Slam and out one nine, thirteen over the red sox to seven, and over the twins wins of Christian. Guzman at Short Corey Husky Third Jock Jones in the lineup. Louise's revised second. Base Red Sox lineup. You want to hear it top to bottom Damon and center bell Hornets Third Ortiz de Aging Manny and left Gabe. Kaplan came on for Defense Garciaparra at Short Let's see trot, Nixon and right, Millar, at first, although Dave McCarty transform in the Game Jason Varitek catching at two hits, pokey reese was the second baseman then moved to short when Cesar Crespo came in its second anyway pokey batting ninth in that Game Loesch lost. Foltz rower and Guerrero also for Minnesota Schilling. The wind to go to nine and four Scott Williamson lowers is at one point two nine, pitching the eighth Keith folk did give up a run in the ninth at actually up, Ziara to one point two four in that one. That was June twenty, second, two, thousand and four. I kind of like going back and and looking at stuff like that. Hey, by the way, no shortage of action going on at our exclusive partner Ben Online right now sports are slowly. We hope making their way back. UFC. NASCAR, soccer, leading the way bet online has all the best odds in line for the upcoming matches this weekend. 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We might know everything by the time you're listening to this. But a forty eight to fifty four game season he could install sixty and see if the the fight against Kobe nine hundred allows that many games manfred over the weekend sent Tony Clark, a letter, offering the cancellation of the. The expanded playoffs the universal the H. to go into two thousand, twenty, one. All kinds of stuff like that, so here's what the players can do now that it's in their court and someone leaked to John Heyman. We all think it was Scott Boris. It looks like a seven to one vote for no would be going with players. Council Daniel Murphy would be the one center I think the players were right to take a couple days to just of chill here on that sixty game proposal correct reading of the room given the harsh reminders that everybody's received the last few days. That covert nineteen is still the real villain an obstacle here but. Maybe it's a breeder to realize that in their hands is the only true solution here to this labor mess that the best hoped for outcome in any dispute, any labor dispute, especially for both sides feel like they've walked away a little bit better for all the hassle, and if you agree to the sixty game schedule, players get what they wanted more than anything else I get the pro-rata salary and as a bonus they get to take the high road. They get to look like the good guys. The owners still deserve I. Think the scorn and blame here, and this may be moot now they're covert. One thousand nine is back in full force, but by holding tight to that sixty game thing. They're basically steering back towards no deal and meet in the middle number of sixty five games that would cost each owner, maybe four or five million this season. You'RE GONNA. Tell me blowing up. The season and the sport is worth that I mean if you really don't have four or five million and you can make that back in twenty one by just reducing salary by the way. If there's no season Einstein. You'll lose playoff revenue and everything else. It's a very myopic stance. My question all along. We're going to ask Bob Nightingale. This is where the moderates have been in all of this so many opportunities missed here and spirits crushed. Every attempt at the middle has just been silenced and have one agent came out and said I think they're bullies on both sides. And if you privately took a poll of the non bullies, this would have been a whole different negotiation and the question after all this time for the players now is. Does your leadership WanNa make a deal, or do you want to make a point? What's the endgame here? There was a great summation from Joel Sherman I thought in the New York Post. He said think about what's been missed by failing to play regular season games by Independence Day weekend. Because we know high level, baseball can be played within a pandemic. It's happening in Taiwan and South Korea and Japan, although those countries have done a much better job of fighting Cova Nineteen, obviously I. What is GonNa Happen Without football and hockey and football. I mean there's a chance that. That baseball could have been the only team. Sports game in this country would meant major things for eyeballs and wallets, and all of that says Joel Sherman and I agree so. There's this big opportunity out. There is still a national. TV DEAL TO DO WITH ESPN. You can get deals streaming services. There's gambling expansion money coming in. There's a lot of money still common here so guys. Let's have a spirit of cooperation at the finish line. Let's get this thing done. Arizona and Florida and Texas. Or a mess cove, nineteen wiser spikes, and all those states member Texas at a couple of weeks back at stadiums could be filled. A fifty percent capacity want Wa that's that's not happening baseball in a bubble that that could be a thing so again. The players were supposed to vote on the sixty game offer. They didn't over the weekend. Maybe by the time you're listening to this. They'll have done that by before we get to Bob Nightingale for the deep dive on this stuff just. Just a reminder for how this is all supposed to work out. The working plan presently is to have each team play at its own ballpark spring training looks like it'll be there to fenway spring training coming up. The League's would be replaced by three divisions ten teams each to limit travel. Everybody gets to use a D. H. The east Red Sox there with the Yankees the mets. The nationals Yikes the Orioles. Thank you, the Phillies, the pirates, the Blue Jays, the rays, and the marlins. Central will be the cubs white sox brewers, the cardinals, royals, reds, Indians, twins, braves, and tigers, the West dodgers, angels, giants as Padres, diamondbacks Rockies, Rangers Astros Mariners at all make sense again. Everybody gets a D. H.. All extra inning games would start with a runner on base starting in the tenth inning, just like in the minor leagues now trying to Short Games and limit players. Time spent at the park. Traditional rules would go back in the playoffs coppee, that's. That's what is on the table, but a a wobbly table it continues to be. We will get into that momentarily with Bob Nightingale one more thing to tell you about. Remind you about here. Is We all put on some weight? Probably during the Cova Nineteen, pandemic and most people when they try to lose weight, they think exercise just got back from a run myself, but whether they actually start exercising or not. The results normally the same either way. Because really this is about nutrition, and with awaken one eighty weight loss. You get a customized nutrition plan. That's what you need and the Weekly One on one coaching to a chance for you to to receive eighty percent of your daily foods to help you lose weight. Your first week and each week after that you'll be during the transformation. Losing weight gaining tools to know what and how to eats, you can keep things on point for the long term and has always awake. One eighty gets your free support for life. It's worked for Cedric Maxwell. It's worked for Scott Zolak and so many other people. Maybe it's your turn now. We invite you to call the long term solution for weight loss, the official weight loss program of the Red Sox. It's awakened one eighty weight loss. You can do it online go to. One eighty weight loss dot com. All Right Bob. Nightingale is on deck. He has ready again a reminder. The audio is not great off the top. It resolves after a bit. Here is USA Today's Bob Nightingale. As promise, the very busy, but very informed Bob Nightingale USA Today's very own joining us and Bob First of all thanks so much for taking the time, I can't imagine how much cell phone battery burning but I really appreciate you taking the time. How crazy has always been for you? I mean covert and labor wars and everything else. While Times particularly last. Week. was. Breezy Josh were. On Friday for instance I mean there's new. Phillies have outbreak camp then comes up. Is Not. Readjust their proposal and sixty games. Then it comes out the union onerous are. Extra inning thing where they might even have games in anti was Kinda get lost the whole shuffle, so you raise you? What's surprised? You most Baba about this tone deaf for us? Thi Battle Royale. We got here. I think you see. The openness of it. I mean the fact that everything been made public. Doesn't negotiate. You know much at all and resources and stuff like that, but. Particularly the social media is that. Everybody's seats. How much bad weather is and That's unfortunate part. Being used to not only taste in everybody's mouth. I. It seems to me to the best way I've actually heard it describes. It's like everybody's driving around. Looking for a one cent discount at the gas pump, and they're just burning gas and driving around, and after a while stupid, because just pull over gas up and let's go to. Do you agree that's part of the frustration? It is I mean just someone's like they're talking in circles at time than. One part drove everybody nuts. was that everybody cutting came in with unrealistic things were MLB as the players to take about percent. Slash appropriate pay when he said her. Delusion thirty or forty percent revenue you know. Lack, ticket sales, and then with player coming back with a harmful. Teen Games. You know not gonNA. Play Games, you know in December so active most started off at such extremes in the prom justice. Just you know that twenty six min read it and you know. Young. Black and white, if they're no fans of this route restrictions and it'll be alright. Opening go she Asians on salaries laid. Doesn't mention it so both they're sticking guns, they just. For some reason. It came out to the owners were reneging under deal went, which was a trip. Or chatting with Bob. Nightingale, we're trying to make the best out of a weird situation and knowing that all of this is so liquid. I mean by the time. People are listening to this bobby. There's going to be three other things that have happened, but in general. Who are the moderates in the room on either side? Are there any or is it just everybody yelling? Growing number of agents that want to get a deal dumb missing. Enough's enough. Let's get this thing work. There's a ton of back-channelling now. There wasn't before Josh and I think the owner same thing there were the ones who pushed rob to go meet with Tony Clark, in Phoenix on Monday meaningless, was very quiet and very productive, although they couldn't even agree on what's agreed on that meeting. That was the problem but yeah I think there's a lot of back generally going on right now. particularly with the age age. It seem to be much more involved. I read a great idea I. Don't know if you saw this, too. But maybe the option now with with covid nineteen spiking again just move every team. The field dreams field out there in Iowa right I mean. If, you, build it, they will come. America has rolled by like an army steam rollers, but one constant through all the years has been baseball. That sounds pretty good. Right about now, and there's not a lot of covert nineteen cases in Iowa so I kind of like that idea. I. Do yeah, that's very good. I. Mean Right now right now. Kobe Nineteen Pitching a complete a perfect game of his unbelievable. You know what's going on, and that's why you know. That's really changed everything just recently. It's like okay The players are blaming. It is possible to play seven games. We'd be lucky to even have sixty games in their You know who knows what's going to happen. Who knows once big Congress for Spring Training? You know what happens next I I will say after all and people saying baseball wasted a golden opportunity to be playing by July fourth well, we were spring training camps right now Josh three train shutdown that we went back to square one. The affects a great unfortunate point. If indeed and again I mean maybe we know the answer to this by the time this podcast dross. Let's say that it's sixty games. You know it just seems like the the necessary step to have gotten to a deal whether it's sixty four game sixty five. Whatever isn't that only like another five million per team and can't. They make that back just by doing what they're going to do anyway? Twenty twenty one, which is cut some salaries down. Yes ours cut down and I know the owners biggest fear. Is that you know? We'll be fans next year either or you know certainly you're not to be Selling out. Or giving me afraid to go to ballparks, even if everything's open Sunday they anticipate another big dip a year for now so as explain to me Josh. Every game is worth twenty five million dollars to the owners, Sawyer right, so if there's a But the difference in five games with one, hundred, twenty, five, million, a semi under stop I playoff will in that sort of thing, so you're getting down to it, but I don't think they're going to bridge that. Yeah, I don't. If the owners are moving up sixty while now, what about and you kind of mentioned this a little bit? Petri dish now to do some experimentation to do some weird thing some of it just because some of it probably necessary and you know ties after twelve innings for example. The runner at second base like they've started doing in the minor leagues. Do you think that that is something that people can get past the purest or doing Wurley birds here then I mean let alone putting patches of advertising on uniforms for a year or two. Aren't we kind of past the point of the purest getting to say anything right now I am a purist by the way, but I just want to see some baseball. Yeah I think maybe the purest. Say Okay. You can do it this year, but we don't want to see it next year the union has agreed to do it this year, but next year so. We'll see what happens in the future, but both sides have agreed that beginning the tenth inning and wondered second base just like the minor leagues. UNIONIST MLB to consider high games of the say, Fourteen fifteen innings gay men's tie. I'm not sure the purest will go for that one. I don't see Tiger Games, but is an a proposal. You know before we leave the topic of. What is just such sad craziness I do WanNa. Talk Actual Onfield baseball with you, Bob. In the time we've got left, but one thing I I think I. WanNa. Point out to you. Agree or disagree. There are a lot of owners that are getting just piled. Drive right now and I get it some of them. Actually deserve it some of them though I'm just wondering when they step up I, mean a John Sherman with the royals Chris elhage has. has so much respect with everybody in the Tigers Organization, the padres guys Peter Siler Ron. Fowler everybody seems to love them and their organization, the Red Sox. Obviously they do so many things right and the players to you know you hear talk of Marcus Stroman, showing up at random literally practice Albert Pool Holes taking up for the Dominican players in the angel system that we're going to get shorted on pay. There are an all villains out there now, right? No. My producers players to step up like you said you pool hall in He. He stepped up last week at a win. Rights jumped up beginning since the Ju- jumped odds beginning, so yeah, you see a lot Lon- those things the you're asking what why aren't the owners doing that? They're the ones who are billionaires in. You know with all these pay cuts for and layoffs. My young a lot of volume employees. Boys have been there for twenty thirty years. Then the loser jobs over this. I don't think the. Cold hearted just do it if they didn't think it didn't believe these money. Losses are for real, so you know is Gabby for rail routes I. I can't see owners you'll be. He'll be cruel in just you know laying off people the heck, right? Hey, speaking of people losing money. And it's all Kinda ties in with our good friend Corona virus here. I know nobody's trying for mookie Betts because he's obviously a super talented guy. That's GONNA. Make money more money than you and I will ever see in our lives, and that's great, but. This is a guy who turned down. What was believed to be three hundred million dollar offer from the Red Sox and Unless there's a real quick vaccine coming here. Just seems to me like covid. Everything else conspires against mookie betts seeing any kind of multi year anything right now. It's kind of sad to me because I think movies a great guy. Yeah he told turn on three twenty five men. They made sense. This guy's a superstar Even you know when Mike Trout son is three, hundred, sixty, million our extension. He was already employed by the angels. It wasn't a free agent, so I thought he had a very good chance to get four hundred million. Not Now I still think he gets a long term contract, but not not at the money he you know, ridgely sought so I I think he's GonNa have to put in a lot of opt out clauses in there just to be able to get at deal when it say you know when the money's back in the game and you're thinking about a guy like J., T. Real Muto. Years probably weeks away from signing extensive with the phillies. Billions weren't going to. Let let the season start without lock him up. You know now know he's not. He's not get the same money that he was looking for. I'm thinking JD Martinez to potential free agent in and it seemed Bob. Like there are only a couple. Maybe three American league teams would WanNa jump in on him because he's pretty much. D. H. Now, but if indeed we're looking at everybody's gotTa D. H.. Doesn't his market now include maybe eight or nine? National, League team, so maybe this is great news for Jd Martinez Could be I, you start. I. Don't be can opt out and get that same kind of Marino. That's the thing, right. Now I just don't see people paying those kind of contracts I think I need the free agent. Market is going to be a disaster for players and I think that. Unless you're a superstar is is arbitration eligible? I think they're going to be non tendered zoologist blood network. Gone but not forgotten is Alex Cora I'm interested in your take because you know usually. People, if they're dealing with a scandal, they just kind of stayed. Quiet lay in the weeds. They let time pass, or they come out with a huge apology towards one of the two seems like Alex. Cora has taken kind of a third option here. It's like he's not calling your press conference, but whenever he's asked, he's swinging right I. mean he's saying look. It wasn't just me here and I'd like to get back in the game somehow. Yeah, and I'm very gladys. Stepping on an talking was ridiculous. People making it out like A. You know the two of them Carlos. Beltran and him controlled everything that are. We don't want to do this, but they made us you know. You'll like. Beltran was going to be El Chapo here. You know yeah. That so yeah, I feel terrible for both of them, Beltran. Founded chance to manage. Pine that can happen again. You know maybe a coach. I'm not sure ain't gonNA. Give him a chance to manage after this I. also fierce going to greatly damages hall of Fame Chances I was GonNa vote by still will, but is going to hurt his chances a lot and Cora. No, they people love what this guy has done. Young create a mine. Players love management loves them so I think he'll be batch, but you know. I started a win. I mean before you're thinking okay. There's always turnover a baseball with the short season. Will any manager be fired? I? Mean be pretty pretty unfair for anyone. Lose their job over this. So if you had the guests, and this is a horrible game to play. Bob But I. Mean you know the last that we know? Always you and I are recording. This is that the proposal remains for sixty games, spring training and a half to be pushed back now Baba closer to fourth of July. You hope to start the season. July twenty seventh. If you had to guess sixty game season, no season playoffs. Sixteen teams and a ten teams in it. What? What's your best guess? No matter what we learn on Monday or Tuesday, what do you think the finish line is gonNA look like. If. The coronavirus is not a factor, but doesn't play a factor in this at all. I believe we'll have a sixty game season. yes, sixteen teams in the playoffs and go from there and you really. The players weren't expand playoffs as much the owners do. Let's face it or games, doing have handsome flukes you know, get in their instant great teams that are out. At least you diminish that chance Ma, some good teams being left out if you have sixteen teams, but ten teams I think you're, it could be a farce so I think both sides, no matter what happens really want to sixteen team postseason and I do believe will play sixty games and after talking to a number of players and James and the. Managers they'll tell ya whoever wins the world series. This year is coming just as much of any other year, if not more just because. We've gone through. It's really unusual to try to even predict this one, but whoever wins the world series and you're right. It could be the most random team ever, and what if it's a team? That's that's never wanted. To Texas Rangers come out of nowhere this year and get it done. You. Worthy of a parade. You probably can't even have a parade unless everybody promises to wear a mask I mean is there is just so many on ponderables to ponder right now. Yeah I out. Hopefully celebrate just like normal forget about the social distancing in that moment go in and or champagne dunk file on the mound in everything else you know we'll see about how the parade part would woodwork, but yeah. I mean even the Washington nationals who you wonder. I rolled series and they still haven't even had a ring ceremony, so you feel for guys to. By great insight is always, we'll let you go because I bet your phone is ringing off the hook trying to figure out what's what although phones don't really have hooks anymore, do they? Actually I've dated myself. rolodexes right. Roll. Thank you my friend. We'll talk when we know what's going on again. I. Sure appreciate it. There my pleasure, thank you, thank yourself say about. Very cool stuff we had John Hayman on last week. Bob Nightingale this week. I know we usually try to keep his very red sox centric, but we are not in a bubble right now. This is all about the sport of baseball, not just the red sox right now, but before we go, we do have some red sox notes for you, and basically as back to the draft, which was only five rounds, and the socks only got to do four rounds, but baseball America says the RED SOX lead the League in undrafted free agent signings, eleven so far red sauce, or one of eight teams to sign eight or more players or read in the phillies signed Tan. Tan the Yankees, the Astros, cubs, nine cardinals and Rangers with eight. You look, there are some teams who've signed a three or fewer some teams, the raise, the angels and tigers haven't signed any. They just said to hell with it. pirates, dodgers, rockies diamondbacks. They've signed one player each, but the red sox are going all out to get the guys they want and I love that not only. Did they have Chris sale call the Saint Joseph's right hander. Jordan Valeria a little recruiting pitch. The socks ZANDER BOGART's make a recruiting video for this kid Cuba best the first Baseman at Grand Canyon College so I liked it. The Red Sox are being proactive on that front. And hopefully you guys are with me. That were ready for something here. Whatever it is just you know, we'll meet you there. Just tell us what's going on. Let's masks make sure that we're not infecting anybody. My thing and I'll close with this. It's a little bit cynical. I think they are gonNA come up with some good rules. Good ways to keep everybody as safe as possible I. Really do believe that however. There's. In my experience around baseball club houses, there's always at least one guy sometimes. It's more on the team idiots that might have been ten, but there's always one guy who thinks he's above the rules that. This stuff is good for you. Guys. I'm fine doesn't apply to me I'm not supposed to have people over in my room, but yeah if you know what my cousin's in town and he's got some friends, and what could possibly go wrong? It takes one guy on that team, one guy to be a DORK and ruin it for everybody, and that more than anything frankly is my fear. Is that you know all this stuff finally gets done. The Labor pieces made and everything's ready to go and some knucklehead on one team out of thirty. That's all it's GonNa take just. Kinda poops the thing. I if everybody all of us, I mean I'm not trying to be preachy here, but if we all just do the right thing here for a couple of months. Socially distance where the masks take it easy. Don't do anything dom. Let's see if we can get some baseball going boy. Wouldn't that be nice anyway? That was episode two sixty hope you enjoyed it. My name is Josh Lewin. This is Red Sox. BEAT FROM SEATTLE NS by.

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"The Roy Halladay Story" Producers Brian Rivera and Mike Farrell on Halladay's Wife, His Anxiety and Pitchers Using Painkillers

Baseball Tonight with Buster Olney

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"The Roy Halladay Story" Producers Brian Rivera and Mike Farrell on Halladay's Wife, His Anxiety and Pitchers Using Painkillers

"Baseball tonight the PODCAST. This is the baseball tonight. Podcast for Friday may twenty nine two thousand twenty producing from his home studio in Connecticut. Taylor Schwenk buster only Working for my own studio just north of New York City Tonight at seven PM. Espn will air e sixties. New Documentary on Roy. Halladay the hall of fame pitcher passed away in November of two thousand seventeen. And today we'll be talking with the CO directors of that piece about what they learned about Roy Halladay and why his widow Brandy holiday felt it was important to speak truthfully truthfully about Roy and my whole it does so start. A larger conversation about the drug. Use of pitchers is deal with the pain. Inherent in the work will also be taking todd rhythms weekly quiz. Be Talking about pirates home ballpark. Pnc before that today could be another big day in the negotiations between the players and Major League Baseball today. The players could forward a counter proposal to the owners. So although we saw Max Scherzer the other night that The stance could be no. We're not going to give anything back more than what we have on salaries. I've been told by sources that at least six owners want to shut down baseball for two thousand and twenty. We saw some more social media infighting on the players side on Thursday two days ago. Trevor Bauer send out a tweet saying that. Agent Scott Bores. Stay out of the negotiations yesterday. Kyle Osha client endorsed responded with this tweet trevor. I'm GonNa Chalk this went up to immaturity while your generation is talking. Mlb business while playing video games and complaining publicly. How the Union is doing us us out of touch ex ball. Players aren't happy standing by watching. You requisite was. Built Dower responded. Okay boomer anyone onto right kyle. Your time is a player has come and gone. You'RE NO LONGER. Part of the player group negotiating. Everyone appreciates your time and your service. But you don't speak on behalf of players anymore that time has come and gone for you. You're not privy to everything that's going on that inherently means. You're out of touch. It's not an insult and then low suggested the powers Gripe with. Boris might be. Because he's dating his agents. Rachel Luebbe bowery answered by calling low sexist and on and on it went here was something. Nice in the midst of all that Francis Romero. I hope I pronounced his first name right. Reports David Price will pay a thousand dollars each minor leaguer in the dodgers farm system. Not The guys in the forty man roster for the month of June If you know David prices history And his charitable giving by. It's not a surprise. It's something that he does in just a moment. We're going to talk with Brian. Rivera and Mike Farrell the CO directors about the special edition of Sixty about Roy Halladay. It's airing tonight at seven PM. Here's a trailer that he sixty produce about the Roy. Halladay piece everybody on their nowadays. Got One soon as it spins buyers began. What comes to mind when I say? The word Irvine unrealistic expectation. I don't think there's such a thing as perfect. There's few pitchers that you can think about that. You have this supreme respect four. He was the enemy of what a perfect pitcher should look like the greatest pitchers of his time absolutely stoic Warrior in the game. Nobody WANTS TO FACE Roy. The work ethic was the best. I've ever seen a man who is expected to be perfect. We're seen as perfect. I saw though was. Did you think he was an addict? Yes Roy Circuit. Victory was torment. His body was dependent on these medications to function. Adt Depression anxiety paranoia. Where I had a lot of demons. He was trying to work on all at the same time. What do you think he got free? No one of my last text were be careful line when why just now class up here and a play called day. People are not perfect. We all struggle hardware humility dedication. Imperfect people can still have perfect moment. Perfect hate that word. `perfect Mike Farrell Brian Rivera are co directors of the e sixty documentary imperfect about the late hall of Fame Pitcher. Roy halladay which airs tonight on. Espn at seven PM Eastern. Mike thanks for joining us. How you doing? I'm doing well this morning. Thank you Ryan. Thanks for joining us. Appreciate you having us. Buster is an excellent piece. It was a bracing pizza. I watched it yesterday and I I knew a lot of a lot about Roy Halladay but boy did I learned so much more especially about his career his life a time after baseball Mike just to start with. Why do you feel like brandy? Halladay chose to participate in this space. I think that her motivation to put it very simply to try to use. Roy's story to help others. We were very very sensitive to the fact that Roy is gone. We don't want to be dragging up bad memories or dirt or you know to be speaking ill of him. After he's gone it's vulnerability from Brandy with a purpose. She really wanted to make sure that. By showing the human side of Roy showing the fact that he struggled can show anyone out there that anyone can struggle even somebody that is as invincible seeming as Roy Halladay was and so really. The point is to destroy go viewers that it doesn't matter if you're you're making twenty million dollars a year and and pitching perfect games and no hitters in the playoffs or if you're just a regular person like Brian and I everyone can struggle with mental illness and addiction. And there's no shame there should be no shame in that struggle Brad. It really felt like in watching this piece. Almost an extension for her of the Hall of fame speech. She gave in Cooperstown last year. Yeah it was buster you know. That speech is something that Mike and I were kind of waiting for after we initially talked about this idea I started this conversation with Mike. You know a few weeks before the hall of fame induction happened and he and I kicked around some ideas about pursuing a story about Roy but we were really kind of stuck on this one question that we just couldn't quite answer for ourselves and this of course was was before. Brandy spoke at the hall of fame. Which was why would brandy Halladay and the rest of the holiday family where you want to do something like this with us And then we saw Randy speech at Roy's induction at Cooperstown and Mike Really sees the pond brandies line which we have in the trailer and as you know in the documentary about Roy would want people to know that even imperfect people are capable of perfect moments and that that line you know hit Mike particularly hard and he brought it to me and we started talking about it and from there we decided we felt like we had possibly a reason that Burundi had kind of the door into their lives. Open just wide enough. That there might be incentive for her to sit down and And just share her story and Roy Story With everyone else with baseball fans and with the sports community at large and and even people you know two point earlier who are not in the sports world you know have battled some of these things that Roy went through and their family went through with him. Mike sports illustrated published a piece last summer. Which suggested but didn't say definitively raise the possibility that he committed suicide and I in watching that hall of fame speech fell like brandy was answering that directly in it. Felt like that in your piece without knowing the absolute truth. Yeah it's a very sensitive subject matter certainly brandy in our interview. We did ask her about that. We didn't include included in the documentary. But we did ask her specifically that idea and she was very vehement very passionate in her. Denial that he did not commit suicide. We spoke to eye witnesses from the crash. John Bara reporters spoke with an eyewitness. Who said there was no doubt that he was trying to pull up at the end? And so you know with a situation like this. You're just never going to know for sure but from what brandy tells us. Roy was getting into a better place in his life in those final months and was was realizing that being normal is was. He was coaching his son's in baseball and was was sort of getting to a better spot with retirement. And so from from everyone. We talked to you from eye. Witnesses to Royce family. They all feel very strongly that was not the case. Of course we can never know for sure. But that's that's what they communicated to us in our conversations if I get to just add onto that and just reiterate the point that might just made you know we interviewed you know. Almost I want to stay close to fifteen people and we brought this up to some of Roy's closest friends outside of his family. We brought it up to each member of his family and everyone was unified in their totally that this was a tragic accident. And that Roy would not have done something like that Especially given the fact that he had kind of moot begin he had he had started to move beyond I think being kind of bogged down on a daily basis by a lot of these issues. He and he and Brandy were counseling together. Kind of for their marriage. He had been actively seeking treatment for his addiction and according to brandy he he kind of begun to turn a corner Right before this accident occurred so everyone we spoke to was you know kind of vehement in their Stance that that Roy you know was not the person or was not in a place where he would have you know intentionally harmed himself guys say in watching the piece the the the footage that you Used at the outset absolutely took my breath away as best you can you. Can you describe what it was? And how how you got that. That footage came from a cinematographer. Who had done some work with icon aircraft Leading up to Royce purchase of the a five. And you know the time Roy had become one of the kind of early spokespeople for the a five aircraft that icon had put out and you know I icon had decided to film a lot of Roy's kind of early experiences with the plane whether it was going through played safety training the plane kind of for the first time and subsequent training sessions that he had in addition to being there when Roy Saul his plane which was manufactured specifically for him for the very first time. And so this this footage came to our attention in kind of a roundabout way Kind of a serendipitous way. I was actually shooting another feature for sixty in in late June of two thousand and nineteen and I happened to be shooting with the same crew They'll crew that had shot that footage of Roy and after we wrapped the shoot. This was all unknown to me at the time when we began to shoot and when I hired this particular group and when we wrap our shoot back day for a story that was entirely unrelated to Roy The crew and myself went to lunch and began talking and somehow and I this. Is You know a key keyboard of the story. Although I can't remember somehow Roy Halladay came up and these shooters told me. They had been the ones who had spent time with Roy at icon and had actually flown with him and shot him flying the plane For several months and that this footage was something that they had had and that they had owned. And obviously icon. You know in the wake of the crash There was of course everybody can understand a greater sensitivity about putting that footage out in any kind of promotional use so it was shelf and it sat on their shelf for From October of two thousand. Seventeen until you know late summer when we began a conversation about trying to acquire it from them so you know it was a long process to get it from them. They had a lot of concerns about the way we were going to use it as you can imagine. Buster it It was something that we did not acquire officially Until very recently Given all of the concerns surrounding but We Are you know thrilled to have it as a part of this project. We feel it makes the project. A more complete picture approve. Roy was given his interest in aviation. And you know. We're hoping that everyone else who saw who the documentary tonight. Everyone else who watches the documentary tonight? We'll have the same reaction that you did and alternate to Mike. If he wants to add anything while I was just going to jump in real quick and say that I I gotTa Tell. You just having known Roy know a little bit and got an just as reporter to a player kind of broke my heart watching it And why it was so striking. Mike. What do you remember about the first time that you saw? It took my breath away very similar in fashion to to you buster. It's it's very jarring to to watch it with the benefit of hindsight and knowing what happened It's it's chilling. I mean when I watched it down for the very first time when we got some screener copies of the footage to review the the moment that made the hair on the back of my next ended up was when Roy sat in the plane for the first time was smiling like a kid in a candy store and of all the words in the English language to utter he said perfect and at that point I it was just like my spine tingle than it was It was crazy. But that's how he felt about the plane. He was so excited to get it and you could see that. He's just in awe in that scene of of the aircraft and aviation has Brian said was something he was passionate about in loved his entire life. So it's equal parts eerie shocking heartbreaking. It's all of those things but it does show you know his his love for flying in real time on curious about what each of you learned about him. That surprised us. You went through the project. Mike Start with you for me. It was it was brandy talking about Roy. Anxiety and Roy's fear of failure Roy's incessant desire to please others and to not let people down. She spoke about that over and over again in our interview. And I mean that just that description just seems so at odds with the image of him that we have on the mound which is disliked stone cold dominant pitcher that showed such little emotion noted for his stoicism almost as much as his work ethic. And you know to hear that that's what he was really like behind closed doors was very surprising to me. But you know there's a lot of people whether it'd be Major League pitchers or just in everyday life that that put on a form of a mask on a daily basis and project one personality when another one might you know live beneath the surface and that again just speaks to. Our hope is with this does documentary. Is that if somebody may be watching this and and can help shed the shame and the feeling the need to project strength when maybe you know. Anxiety is is below then. I think that the film serves its purpose But that was the most surprising thing to me was hearing just how how scared and anxious. He was at times throughout his career throughout his life and various situations whether it be pitching in front of forty five thousand people or going to a small cocktail party. You Know Ryan you know we. We really got to find out how much of a sense of humor Roy. Halladay had and I don't think that that's something that that anybody would have ever thought about or even really known about unless you really really really paid attention Particularly to twitter feed after he passed away Which is still up and You know again. I'm not sure how many people actually spent time poking through his twitter feed while he was alive but in going back through it now You know I would encourage anybody who you know is a fan of Roy Halladay or ended Washington stock to to just poke through Because the guy really was funny And you know one one particular thing that stands out is an you can find this on Youtube He Roy was inducted into the Colorado Sports Hall of fame in two thousand fifteen and he gave an induction speech that again. I think surprised a lot of people because it was actually funny. And it's on you to we feature it at the end of the documentary. Buster as you know having watched and You know Roy till the few kind of stories and take some shots at himself you know very self deprecating very humble But also funny and his family talk about that Brandy talked about that and it's evident If you're paying close attention to the these kind of little areas in his life where you can get a little glimpse into it. I mentioned the the hall of Fame Induction Speech being one but also you know his twitter feed and even in some of the some of the interviews that he did. I think people kind of missed that part of him along the way so that was something that struck me and I hope that that's something that people get a little taste of. Maybe at the end of the documentary. It's funny that the sense of humor really came out when you're looking at the raw interview clips and it's it's those moments in between filming or before. The interview begins where you really saw. Roy's sense of humor shine. I mean I think he had you felt maybe a sense of obligation to kind of turn on the the baseball player persona when the cameras were rolling but when we look at the interview tapes and even the brief glimpses of moments before enduring takes is when that sense of humor. Release Sean through. Which was interesting for me to see a hundred percent. I worked on a number of sixty pieces and there is alternate heartbreak process because of stuff to borrow your phrase brand that winds up on the cutting room floor For each. GimMe something that you're like. Oh I wish we could have included that for me. I I mentioned this to you as we came on. I actually woke up this morning very early. I've woken up every morning during the editing process of this piece just unable to sleep thinking about things and I was. GonNa text this the Mike and I didn't but Here now I really miss An opening to our second segment documentary which Mike Bill With an interview clip that you did from two thousand and three with Roy after he had kind of come back after being sent down to the minors and in that interview clip. There are a number of technical issues. Befalling the production lights are going out. Cell phones are going off and it happens throughout the course of the entire fifteen minute interview and Roy graciously but also with a sense of humor. Which again is evident kind of inbetween? The moments and the answers is very playful and very understanding and I think that scene that might build up him which was going to be a part of our second segment of his documentary really illustrated that point earlier in the story than than we might get to it now but It's something that I I do miss and I wish we had more time. We we certainly would have gotten it in for me. Is the story line with his son. Brayden we actually had a very talented associate producer on our show. Scott Secorski put together a separate feature on bread and I went to Penn State University couple months ago and spend a few days with Brayden there. He's a freshman pitcher at Penn state and just such a likable nice down to Earth Kid. He just looks like Roy in so many ways not only physically but in his mechanics delivery. There's sort of a kind of warm but eerie nature to the images that we captured him pitching and I think a of ways in talking to breed. And you know he's he's taken lessons from from Roy from both his successes and his struggles and tried to incorporate those into his own journey as he pursues pitching as potentially a career for himself and I find that choice interesting in its own right as he saw firsthand the mental and physical strain that it put on his father so we were able to get a separate feature done on brandon with the stuff that we captured at Penn state to give him time to kind of show his relationship with his father. A little bit more so that is going to get out there in some capacity but it would have been fulfilling to have that weaved into our narrative a little bit more in the documentary presentation. Brian when I said now with you I mentioned to you as you were giving me some of the background that you guys had dug out on this that when I first saw the Toxicology report after the crash. I was kind of like that doesn't surprise me because in my time covering baseball. I've seen a Lotta pitchers and heard a lot about pitchers going into retirement with pill problems with pharmaceutical problems. Because of all the pain management that they do during their careers especially the end of their careers because they pitch and pain and you guys note that Roy's physical problems really started with a back issue and then it expanded and then he began to use pharmaceuticals on a regular basis. And I. I wouldn't at all be surprised brandy made reference to the idea of you know. Hopefully this help someone. I think there will be former pitchers. You're going to hear about former pitchers their struggles with painkillers. After watching this and in fact when I was doing the broadcast on Are from the Games from South Korea this morning cow Peterson. Our our colleague unity. Spn when I mentioned that he said. Yeah in two thousand and one You know I started taking Iden And so I really feel like that you're going to have A. You're going to reach a lot of people in the game with By Sharing Roy's experience and his issues with those. I hope you're right buster. I think if that if that was the outcome of this documentary it would far exceed even our our hopes For what we were kind of intending for it to achieve That's a that's another conversation that we never had going into the production of this documentary. But it's it's one that develops particularly when you and I started talking and I think it's it's a a really interesting one to have you know brandy talks about Roy not taking prescription painkillers to get high but taking them because he needed them to function to do his job as a pitcher. And Todd's lucky who has written a book On Roy Halladay has written. Halliday's biography is in our piece featured in our piece we did an interview with him and he talks about the pressure that Roy felt as the phillies twenty million dollars a year. Ace to live up to and deliver you know a third live up to the expectations of the fans apprehend that the organization may have had for him and deliver the fans. You know a third consecutive trip to the world series and so because of the physicality that I think a lot of fans the physicality of pitching that. I think a lot of fans take for granted because as we've talked about you know it's it's a non contact sport and we take you know the movement of one's arm for granted because it's kind of something we all can. Do you know. Mike has catch with his son. You have a catch with yours. We've all had catches and throw a baseball with our friends with our dads and it's just something you take for granted But you know if you think about it once you come in from the catch you know thirty minutes later. Your arm is sore. And you've maybe been throwing a ball twenty or thirty miles an hour. One hundred miles an hour For to get twenty seven. Major League outs so I think you know if if that conversation started out of this it would it would wildly exceed our hopes for you know what we can achieve By getting this message out there and shining light on on this issue kind of inadvertently in my time covering baseball like the mantra. For starting pitchers you take the ball. He jury responsibility. Take the ball. Every fifth day when I was covering the Yankees there was a period of time on any petted has had discomfort in his elbow and I remember talking. Roger Clements where you tend. You know Andy's got to learn how to pitch with pain. That's part of the game. That's part of what we do and I think that For some of them the use of pharmaceuticals as part of that might. Yeah and I remember you saying in the interview buster that you had a doctor at one time. Tell you that every time. A major league pitcher throws a PICCI's effectively dislocating his shoulder every single time. And when you think about it in that context I mean it it seems had there will be an inevitability that pain would be a constant in the the lives of pitchers especially as they get later in their careers and yeah. I just think that it's sports. Fans like we're wired to think of painkillers and playing through pain for like sports. More like football or me growing up in Canada certainly is associated with hockey. These sort of contact sports that are more violent nature that collisions are part of the everyday ongoing of the sport. But when you when you actually stop and think about what. A person is doing to their body while pitching. It makes total sense that that painkillers would also be an issue in that fraternity. Great job. This guys. Thanks for taking the time to talk about it shortly. Thing Buster having on thanks very much rate him is a TV executive or weekly cuisine. Doors working seated on ballfields all across America all around the world his website titled Dot Com. Todd as we bring you in last night he had even more out in the open about the negotiations going on between the players and the owners accept. This was player on player. Crime twitter back and forth between Kyle Loesch and Trevor Bauer. I I did Michael K show yesterday and I told him that I I was embarrassed. Watching this like watching. This is beginning to feel like to second cousins at a memorial service arguing loudly in the back pews and Rindge as you hear it like every time somebody talks about money allowed in the current context. It feels totally inappropriate. And I think it's going to damage all of them. Buster you're saying these words and I am literally just stately sitting here shaking my head and I got my head in my hand cringing. Because you're absolutely right I'm GONNA come at it from a little bit. Different perspective You know I've worked in baseball in my lane a little bit of a different thing admittedly but on the business side for thirty years and I have relationships with people in the Commissioner's office would people with the PA with licenses. And I think that all of this is governed. Navigating successfully is is a product. I believe of discretion. Bite your tongue. No one to talk no when not to talk. Hold things incompetence and for goodness sake just before you should apply to everything as it relates to social media. Think twice hit send once I mean. It is just horrible to watch this play out. Yeah and I. When I saw the in particular those tweets be Carl Cut Carlos by the way. He's a great guy. I don't Know Trevor. Bowers well as you know Carlos but I know Carlos you good guy but when I saw the tweets back and forth like good God can just get his phone number and call them directly taught. Yeah it's probably pretty easy to do and listen. Trevor Bauer has tation for as a guy who was a bit of a free spirit and that is a a refreshing thing and good on him. You know But at this particular moment time as a world as a country is a society and knowing that the window of opportunity weather this season was going to get played truncated former not again. I don't want to debate the merits of that. I don't want to get into money. Millionaires billionaires this whole discussion always comes into play but just bite your tongue. Don't hit send and I will get off my soapbox Before you get off it I do WanNa hear about your views on. Pnc Park which is one of my favorites You know I because Camden yards close to my heart. That's always number one for me. I love the Ballpark in San Francisco. Pittsburgh would be number three remained. What about for you? Well we get onto a much nicer thing to talk about. Were no question buster. I believe that it's quite possibly baseball's most beautiful ballpark is that possible yes is ending a PNC park and the first thing you do if you were to let be lead into PNC park of your eyes closed and said okay. Open your eyes. You see this what I always turned a business view of downtown. Pittsburgh and those bridges and the angles of the buildings. Your architecture is just startlingly interesting. And they're things that I've gone down that I love about the NC Park. I love the scale of it is to debts. It is modest. There's always seem like a ballpark. That fits the size of its bird which is not a huge metropolis. It just seems right As far as the ballpark itself I love the materials there. That's local limestone exterior and area behind home plate. I love the colors the blues steal. It just seems really really comparable there. It's built on a very modest footprint setting the views the texters colors of the stadium. All of it. You know let's face it you and I've talked about this many times in the path offer. We are old enough to remember when the pirates were uninjured powerhouse participating in World Series Winning Divisions Etcetera Etcetera. Etcetera always said that that Ballpark as well received as it is would get more of a halo effect if the pirates were good at all and they haven't been you know with rare exception for a long time. I love the tribute. That's built into the Ballpark to Roberto. Clementi right field. If you can explain that is you're the expert. I haven't been there in a while but I know you know you've got the clemente stats. You've got the bridge out there. You've the wall is twenty one feet high. Yeah Yeah there you go and and I mean you know you talk about Clemente of course played his career at Forbes field which is not anywhere near there but three rivers right near there the bridge the Clemente Bridge approaching. Pnc Park as a pedestrian from downtown Pittsburgh across the river on the Clemente Bridge. You get a sense of the history and the pirates do the history so so well and I know that's ebbed and flowed over the years they You had had celebrated the Negro Leagues Rich history I will give a quick shot out This point to To Shawn Gibson who I know who is the descendant of Josh Gibson runs the Josh Gibson Foundation out there so much so much history and what an amazing like you. I would put it right up there at the top my list. We're GONNA be talking about this lot. I don't know how you compare. Pnc Park to a fenway or Wrigley to name two of the older ones. We talked about Dodger Stadium You know again different flavors. We're talking the same language. Pnc's a Jim. It really is on the other hand. Three rivers absolutely nothing stands out about it to me. My went there other than I I mentioned to you last week. About jogging and different ballparks. That was one of the Ballpark's jogging after games and it was perfectly audible and nice and easy to run in. That's for sure. You Buster you talking about. Close Your eyes and be put into three Rivers Stadium and say am I in Cincinnati and I still Adelphia right call. Letters of the colors of the seeds might vary but other than that not a whole lot to think about. I am all of a sudden calling being at Atta game at three rivers in April of Nineteen eighty-seven. I can tell you exactly when it was. It was empty and somebody had say a fly ball. I'm sitting with my friends in the upper deck. Roughly behind home plate first row and this ball comes and these two US guys get right in our grill and take the foul ball away from us. I mean that's my now so my memory of three Rivers Stadium. Buster not good. I'd say in the ballpark before the you made reference to at Forbes field in in a weird sort of way the Ford field is like the mayflower of all the modern ballparks because of course Forbes field was the favourite of Larry Lucchino went to work for the Baltimore Orioles and he was inspired by Ford Field. They built camden yards and as we talked about a few weeks ago with January Smith. That was the inspiration for For ballparks elsewhere when he got him Forbes Field Yeah I mean obviously it predates us by by enough years that the you and I never would have been there. You look at pictures of this place and it was just exquisitely dishonest. The architectural details are stunning the setting in the Oakland neighborhood and buster. I cannot help but think I think both you and Taylor notes not talking about. There's this iconic shot of the game of the seventh game of the nineteen sixty world series taken from top that cathedral of learning that big skyscraper that that tower they're looking down on Forbes field and it is just striking this moment in time all of the get past the history part the setting all of the trees just looks like a beautiful beautiful ballpark. I know that there are pieces of it. That are still in existence there Including a section of the outfield wall where Bill Mazeroski is home run cleared to win the nineteen sixty world series? I'm pretty sure played us there to someday when we're allowed to leave the house. We gotta do a Ballpark a road trip. Oh that would be fun tod. Yeah I absolu- and I actually you know as you said that. I'm like two or three places in the area other historical sites that I wanna see so you and I are going to talk about that that we have established at three rivers. Definitely the ugly stepchild of the three ballparks. The pirates of made famous all right. Let's get to this week's quiz all right guys here. We go wouldn't stay in the National League which one of these teams has appeared in the most National League Championship series the pirates the dodgers the braids or the cardinals most appearances in the NFL CS. Parral others braves cardinals. While tell you want to give it a shot I will go with the cardinals on this one and the cardinals have certainly made the world series appearances. But I'M GONNA go with a team that tortured me at times going the National League Championship series. And that would be my childhood favorite team. The dodgers Taylor. You are victor this week. I'm appearances job Taylor and buster. You were closed because the dodgers have appeared in thirteen lot in recent times. So Taylor good job my friend. Wow Yeah I thought it was some sort of baseball savant but I guess not. I guess I'm the PODCAST. It's kind of interesting because you know I alluded to it earlier and and it had nothing to do with the With the correctness of this question but the pirates of appeared in nine and LCS. When you think about you know let's face it. We all know that the event You know the NRCS dates back to nineteen sixty nine and the pirates. Of course were this powerhouse franchise And then all of a sudden you know the the wall at a certain point that they appeared in they have appeared in nine and it will see us along the way and I remember Jack Block that I've joyfully talking about. Is You whatever. I'm not going to get into it as a dodger. Very bitter and a very bitter for losing again all right. Todd I appreciate it right guys. Thanks so much. The businesses around ballparks. All around America have gone dormant during this time without baseball like Wrigley. Ville dogs is peace was generated by sportscenter. The tables are the we are open for business. 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So he writes in. It feels like fans. Are The only child stuck in the middle of a Nazi divorce where neither parent players. Our owners want us. What do fans due to voice? How we feel Boycott Games and twenty twenty one. Do we all become. Nba Fans Premier League. Lacrosse sounds like it's GonNa go off without a hitch the summer. What do you think Buster Jacob what you just suggested is voiced by players by agents by people a management side? They cringe that there is going to be a serious backlash from fans. Much in the way was act much in the way there was after the ninety four ninety five players strike a little bit of follow up to that Ben Hedge Hegi Hamanaka. I'm on a roll here today at big head. Benny Thirteen rates in. Mlb Media and fan say they want players to be more open and have less robotic answers. Why does it seem when players do open up and speak? Their feelings sees appointing to Blake. Snell specifically they get crucified. By those vary media members. No wonder no one talks and I think it's with this with Blake. Snell situation this and then a travels and oranges. Yeah yeah apples and oranges wanting to give an interview after the game or talking to microphone during the game and on the other hand the current situation during a pandemic to talk about money absolutely last one from our pal Aaron at a San Diego rates in what are the disagreements happening in terms of safety all we hear. All you're hearing is that they disagree but it seems to me like this is only an attempt to cover for money disputes. If there are any specifics I'd love to hear them. Aaron generally speaking what I've heard is the players want more testing but let's face it The there are disagreements and they might even be major disagreements over safety. The bigger disagreements are over money. There's not going to be baseball in two thousand twenty if they cannot settle those financial disagreements. Yeesh all right well. Premier Leagues Back June seventeenth. 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"Hey guys welcome to another episode of you from the cheap seats. I'm jason sklar. He's randy sklar. We break down the world of sports. This we we have a great guests on the show today. She is play college basketball. She's a phenomenal comedienne. She has her own sports podcast. Aaron fully is our guest. The fawley artist. She's unbelievable and then later on the show. Michael cain his insights in a voicemail as to why the. Us men's soccer team did not make the tokyo olympics again in what they could have done to prevent it. But i ran. And i talk about the biggest topic in sports that we see this week. Obviously the ncaa tournament is a big deal but There are rumblings that a seventeen game. Nfl season is on the horizon. And i know lights on a players are mad about it because you know for whatever reason. They're just upset about it. I think i think you could have a seventeen game season. I think it'll change some things. the nfl has to be okay with that. I definitely don't think you need the fourth preseason game 'cause really after the third preseason game the third game in the preseason is where you implement the most amount your stuff your starter stay in until the third quarter you wanna see. Everything's going in. The four season is just. Who's gonna make your team like who of these people are of the because you sit everybody. 'cause you don't want anyone to get injured. I think you're going to get a little of that in the league as well. I think certainly for teams that are in the playoffs and know what they're doing and know that they're going to make it. Everyone's going to sit for for the if you're if you ran away with your division k three games four games left to play whoever's playing you first of all the other teams that might be fighting against that team for a playoff spot are going to be really mad. It's gonna create like weird. Hey you're not playing. You're starters against this team. That i'm fighting against for a playoff spot. That's going to create some controversy. And then i think people fans we're gonna talk about getting back to the games who wants to go. Why would you pay to see you know a kansas city chiefs game. If you know that. Everybody's sitting if travis kelsey is playing if You know patrick mahomes is implying. Like what's the point. It's like when they sit. Lebron everybody for or leonard for load management and you have to just show up at the game. They're playing the scrubs at sauce. And you're paying full dollars so it's a bit of a controversy. I think the only way to do it and come out with like almost a net zero on it at least for the players and the damage that they do their bodies just to cut preseason. You've got to cut the preseason game because nobody cares about it. It's just a tool for the teams to figure out who's where on the depth chart and they're just going to have to be better at figuring out who that person is or they figure that out through the first couple of games and fans are gonna have to understand that that's what it is. The problem is gonna make a ton of money for the nfl so the nfl doesn't give a crap about the players at all. They don't they don't care. They don't care about their safety. They don't care about their health. They only care about how much money they make the owners of the ones who are kind of driving the so. If jerry jones can charge full price regular season tickets for one extra game and get full television rights in the middle of the season or towards the end of the season for that extra game. You know it. He doesn't care. He's making all that money on the tv contract for one whole extra event. The tv ratings for this four. Cbs and for fox nfl. They're going to be super excited because it still has. Nfl football they can call it. Watch the regular season. It's the regular season as opposed to the preseason. I think people watch the regular season way more than the preseason. You can sell the ad dollars from warren so nobody is going to have a problem except for guys like alvin kamara. Who are like. Why are you doing this to me. And maybe it's the type of thing where guys in their contract should only play sixteen games. You know what i mean. You have to sit them for one game so you have to decide. Where do you sit. You're that smarter because you know what happens to those records of single season rushing records. I mean they're gone. They're gone look the nfl switch from fourteen game season in the early seventies. That was all the way up through the early seventies to a sixteen game season and people in. I'm sure people may be complained. A little bit about it but most fans probably didn't care and we grew up with a sixteen game season like it was law but there are people you know. We were alive when they played a fourteen game season. And so you know. I mean it. Changes in that happens in. That's the right of the league to do that. But if you do that you just gotta know that there are going to be some other things that are your players. Be upset about it a little bit. The players union might kinda bring up point but again. I don't think damore smith is tampa. Gotta get anything done for the players. But you'll see the players union sort of you know maybe this can open. Maybe the players can use this as a bargaining chip to say. Hey if we go to a seventeen game season then you must take care of. The legend in the old players in retirement as far as healthcare is concerned. We'll do that if you do. This will never understood why players today are who have the power of the moment. Aren't fighting more for older because people who were in the league. 'cause you're gonna be that person someday right you are and so they just don't care so we're gonna monitor this situation. I think it's going to happen. Because it's a huge moneymaker in anytime there's money on the table. The league is going to take it. You know that to be true. I mean personally. I said if if roger goodell would take ten fifteen million dollars of salary and put that towards old players in their healthcare every single year. How much of a hero would he be. So you made thirty million instead of forty four million this year roger who cares right so they should have done all right. Let's take a break when we come back the great erin. Foley foles favorites. She knows her sports is so much fun to just gabbing. Talk about it with her. And i'm curious to hear who she thinks is going to win at all as he'd break down the tournament talk a little women's college hoops two. We'll get into that. And whatever else you want to talk about faith and then later on the show michael kind will talk to us about what. The us team should have done this ideas. Haste got lots of ideas. This is randy and jason scott. This is for the cheap seats. We'll be right back. Hey guys welcome to the show. We love having this woman on because She's a part of our comedy slash sports text chains when things are going south for us. She kinda supported through Well at least the upswing of the run for michigan and the we we haven't really gotten into the aftermath but aaron foley. You're you're a tremendous comedian. And we love talking sports do you. How are you doing great. It's a great time to be alive this past year dream. I tell you. I needed that. I i missed the march madness year so to have a back. I can't. I'm so grateful. And i can't believe the tremendous job. All these teams in kids are doing their children. I realized that could have birthday him all day. But it's been the whole tournaments been awesome. I'm sorry about michigan. That was that was particularly difficult. I think nine times out of ten michigan beat that team even with the way they played that game. It just was weird but kudos to i mean to me in part i was sad because that's my team and i wanted to see us move on whoever is gonna play gonzaga next is going to get killed so it doesn't matter but it is kinda. Why like the ncaa tournament more than like say the college football playoff because we can already tell you. Who's going to be in the college football playoff right now whereas the ncaa tournament ucla is a first four team. They're playing their an eleven see. They had to play michigan state which no one gave them a chance to win and they took the game overtime. You're like they're not gonna make and here. They are in the final four. So that's the beauty of this tournament. Oh my god you never. You always get those like cinderella teams. Yeah i i was obviously. I'm not a you know you went to michigan. I was like you know if. I don't know if i don't have any stake in the team i go. What's a good backstory. Where's the city performing there. There's like a five point plan. Has anybody you know assaulted a woman. Okay boom there off school and every i'm sorry. Sec that's that's on my list. But i was like ucla okay. L. a. whatever. But i was kind of interested to see if the michigan like biggs could have maybe given. Tim may and the zags iran. So i was a sports sports crazy fan. I was more interested in the michigan. Matchup would've matched up. I think michigan would've matched up better with. They would've had more fun and they play the run out game a little bit better. I still i mean what's crazy is as much as we talked about how you didn't know who is going to be in the finals. His thing like the entire season we've been saying and pundits have been saying it's gonzaga and baylor and the rest of the field and here. We are up there. Amanda up there. It looks like it will begin zag. I mean i don't see. Houston i don't see houston. They're good team and they're fine on their kind of aga- bailer. Though i i would look at would be fun. You know. it's it's crazy. Because mary foley. My mother insane. Gonzaga fan i. I was performing somewhere in spokane. Were whatever probably on the corner spokane and something. And i got and i got her a mug from the airport. That says gonzaga university. That was something like two thousand seven like. We've been huge. I think it was like dick. Stockton dick stockton. The john stockton. I think it was. I don't know why but we've loved consecutive for so long and then cut to five years ago. My older sister gets a job teaching at baylor. So then i've had like now cheer for baylor. Which would never ever happen in my life ever so now. So tara's like oh baylor gonzaga like for baylor. I was like no no. I'm sorry i'm gonna go in. Yeah so mom has been moot on on the on the subject. But she's selling what do you think. How do you feel. It's been with the limited number of fans because so much of this is like you know the shot hits. The crowd goes nuts and people are running everywhere and screaming and yelling and they're just feeding off the crowd and what's there. Do you feel like it's been less this year or everything's felt like a first round game where there aren't that many people there. Yeah i think. I think it was noticeable in the baylor yukon game playing at san antonio and there was a crazy texas crowd also for the ut women so you could. That was the first instance where i was like. Oh wait a minute. The crowd the crowd noise. And then what was it. Indiana's it was in indiana that got pretty far in. They're playing in only one. Indiana school was in the tournament and they got booted in the first round. That was purdue was the only. yeah there weren't was maybe. It was a michigan illinois. It was loyal right so there was a lot of loyal fans in one game. Me so close to indiana. So then i was like oh my god. I forgot about like insane crowd. Like we've been out without crowds for so long that. Yeah that's such a bummer. Right it is feed off in changes games it changes moments but you know and then rusher some people would be like. This is appears form. And then i'd be like f. Feed people screaming people screaming. That's part of it. I mean so. So i take it back to the nba. When kawhi leonard on that magical run for toronto hits that shot to eliminate philadelphia and it goes around the rim to me. There were three elements that shot. It's a last second shot. He puts it up. It doesn't go straight lamet goes on the rim and then it drops it drops down and it's in toronto. The place packed goes now cirque and kevin harlan. Was there a gir- kenny. Albert was either kevin harlan. Yeah just with an incredible straight up. Kevin harlan call. That just goes and then of course. The crowd goes wild. The team goes nuts. Can't harlan call. And then our buddy quest love remixed it into like the the shot and the oh into a song. He remixed that hoping on. You like go on his instagram. watch it. it's. I don't think i've ever heard that that's all solved. Vinyl good it will find. It's so good but you don't. You would never do that in this. Current turn tournament. Setting is what we're saying like no question mr gene. Maybe sister jean. Just you know with like dosing will be on the court with you and then maybe he could remix. That i mean loyal is better. We when michigan beat loyal In the final four on two years ago. I remember saying to myself. We beat them so bad. We made sister. Jean and atheists like here. We meet them so bad that we had sister. Jeanne had to get relocated to depaul so bad sister. Jeanne had to eat maza on passover l. By the way we talked about this in one of our stereo conversations the total sidebar but seeing sister jeanne i was like how come there isn't a lady pope. Can we have ourselves a lady lady lady lady propane this like white slacks. Yeah like stratum. Amazing diane keaton outfits from every single one of her movies in the last ten years. It's like a nancy. Meyers like nancy. Meyers you get to pick out the clothes of the lady. Business casual lido. She is in something on top pants on the bottom. It looks good is she's great man just like Yeah and also like a switch out. The hats from diane keaton in her What's the what's the movie net manhattan. The any hall anyhow give her a little anti hall hat. I mean any brain when she goes to. To france meow. Maybe give her mick. Jagger's shape up ladies. Gambhir's skaters a lady public sketchers if you were to put like the old like the sister genes of this world and a bunch of old dudes together and took the nuns out of their habits. It's like men's and women's darts you can't tell them in from the win like and that's okay. It's like who cares. These are all devout people who believe so. I'm like if sister gene can be like the muse for this. This amazing basketball team. That made it farther than anybody thought. They would. One games and no one thought they could. She could be the pope. Yeah yeah i mean no women are allowed a. I think i think it's an within fifty feet of any altarpiece in the church will blow up but yeah it's it's such feel good place for women. Yeah we are churches. Will they lift up so much. They come on crosses script floor. Scott the floor. Lift him up to go along down So all right. So if you had to make a prediction you think it's going to be baylor in gonzalez on your house is going to be divided in. Who wins that game. I mean are we watching the greatest team of all time in gonzaga. I mean last time. We saw an undefeated teams. Nineteen seventy six. Bobby knight feels. I think it's hard to top that duke team that won in later the leitner. I think i think the one thousand nine hundred ninety. Unlv team followed by the ninety one. Nine hundred ninety champion. Unlv team and the ninety one Duke team are two of the best team but yeah but the ninety but the duke team was a huge underdog when they beat that you if unlv would have won that game you could save. That's probably the greatest team thinking about grant hill. Think about the grant hill christian laettner. Bobby hurley thomas hill and cherish jaw. Yeah giant giant offers in there. Well i think it's i think it's that team now too because there was also a lot of success with those players in the nba. To you know what i mean. Well i mean leitner what kind of cato career. But the zach. I think is also so impressive because i mean you know that's the thing it's like comparing teams is so it's so difficult but this gonzaga team. I mean i watched you know. I mean they larry johnson. Stacey those teams were so armon gilliam hammer of man's best here either. Download them up. But i mean you could say that about the fresh the fab five to the rooms have been so incredible but I don't know there's something about this gonzaga team. I think we haven't seen a team. Where like legitimately going into the game. Usa was on fire. The brothers i look alike mobile. This team could is gonna give them. I don't think they're going to win. But they're going to give them a run for the money. This is going to be exciting game. It was over in thirty seconds so over pressing of a team in since these teams were talking about where you go god. I hope it's competitive for like five minutes like so. Oh sorry go ahead. I was just going to say. Also they are having fun. Get the difference to me between gonzaga and baylor right now. And i've watched you a lot of baylor men's and women's because right tara is butler. I'm sorry so overrated. I think he's insanely overrated. Looks like he's about to literally like he looks like he's so angry on the court orients just not having any fun. Mitchell's a dream exciting. I think baylor's are really exciting game. They're a deep team. But i also could see them getting crushed at any moment like it depends what as mary. Foley says what baylor team is going to show up but gonzaga looks like it's like harlem globetrotters. They're passing is amazing. They look like they're having fun. They're so supportive of each other. So feel good in fun to watch. I think it's it's clashes styles. I mean when you talk about heavyweight fights and stuff the styles make fights if you have to separate styles that makes a great fight so you got playing this kind of west coast up beat temple. They score right at the beginning of the shot clock. They get out. They ron timmy's got Such great moves in on the inside and staff. He looks like an undercover cop. He's got inside the pain. I mean they're they're they're fun to watch. They kick it in and out. Got three great players in timmy. Suggs and crisper crespi. Who are like just those guys are. nba players. I i yeah. Support cat like their support. Players would be the best players on any of these teams in the tournament. So they're amazing and then baylor is just gets after. There are ferocious defensive team score points in bunches. They're just they play angry so to me. Those two thousand gonna be great. I would love to see a great game. But let me ask you this. Jay and erin if gonzaga dismay. Let's say they're they destroy ucla. Which i believe is going to happen. Okay even if ucla mocks up the game. They're still gonna win by like ten area if they play baylor and do the same thing to baylor that they did to all the other teams throughout this tournament. Winning by double digits. Would you then say okay. This is probably you can have talked about. This is the best team of all time. Yeah i think. I think he could. Yeah given honestly given how good baylor is. I mean baylor is really really like i. They have i think they have ten guys that erc continuously in an hour in and out and flagler comes off the bench. He's he's playing like a senior. This this dude flagler. I like better than butler not to crap on butler butler butler butler. Every time i watch him play. I go yeah. He's really good. But like what. I just keep thinking what is the. What is he going to do in the nba. I also just. I can't stand his attitude. And mitchell. I i live and die for initials unbelievable. All of those guys. I mean the big dude on baylor. He just like rimmer four of them. They come in and mayor with the mullets. They've got any other year the mind baller. There's another guy on the bench of the mullet. I talk about basketball. Mullet should be called a sh- insist you remember. Dwayne chinses you on your florida. Florida florida florida in the early nineties or lightning mid-nineties. Dwayne shinsen insen. He had like a crazy mullet. So call an afghan coming from. I would call them. I would call it a sh- insist so the guys come into myers rocket a sweet chin says. Yeah it's i just hope. That's what the finals are going to be in a metal being blessed. Let me ask you this. Is we just switch gears before we take a break about The baseball season. Because it's starting it's already starting right now about about women's the women's that's right coming back to that. Yeah leo's women's basketball and then we'll get into baseball so the women's is far more interesting. I feel like you can totally skated by on the weirdest end of a game. Ever as you saw that play where you're like a she was fouled on that last play by not one but two people and it was a no call. That was shameful. No like that's where you should be able to look at it at the at the scores desk and be like you know what that was actually a foul. There's contact we need to take our time here and see if there was actually kinda like that. I don't mind a replay because i'm michigan. Almost beat baylor. Michigan took baylor to overtime so like michigan. The michigan the surprises for me. Were the how much. I love the michigan women's team. They were so fun to watch. And i found myself because i was like well. I'll go into rooting for baylor. Even though i cannot stand mochi on the record for the last ten years. Yeah she's a really good xs and os a basketball coach. She's she's top tier basketball coach but as a human being she. She is negative one million. Anyway don't get me started on. How bad mulkey is. She's a giant homophobic anyway and basically told brittney griner to be in the closet. The entire time i mean. She's she's notoriously terrible but michigan women. Bright future love them. Maryland broke my heart. I was so bummed that they didn't get past texas and grade squad and then they've got grace lit up. Yeah and then texas. Of course just you know. I mean i just wanted that maryland stanford game so bad but the call we talk about this for an hour. So we'll keep a tour but the call of course. Yes terrible blatant foul hated to see the game and like this. I have to say though you could say about any game. We've seen terrible falls at the end of the game. You have sixteen seconds and you dance around outside of the three point line for fifteen. You deserve to lose. You cannot and also. I thought you yukon without a doubt. Listen foul terrible. They defended really well on the perimeter. They defended really well kept carrington. I think i think it was carrington. Did you love her she. I'm obsessed with her so they kept her out of the going into the paint they kept. You're far enough away. It would have been a tough shot anyway. You know but again. You hate to see that. But i do hate. And that's what michigan men like. You see this every single game like you're down by one or two and they throw these half court shots up. It's like put your head down and run right to the rim contact. Put it start your set at nine seconds jar contact. Try to get the rebound. If anything happens and you miss it they get the rebound you follow them and then you have six seconds to work. Just we say this every single every single game we see this. So the so the baylor. Obviously that was that was a heartbreaker but stanford yukon is my dream. But also i love south carolina. I'm obsessed on his. The south carolina stanford is going to be the game to watch. I think it's going to be better than you. Zona for totally. But the south carolina uconn rivalry that kind of flared up from that when that woman hit that shot. I wanna say two or three years ago. That last second shot south carolina to end yukon and in the semifinals and that's when that was mississippi state or mississippi state mississippi and then vic schaefer the coach of mississippi state now goes to texas to rebuild that program any already has them like literally in the in the final eight. That's the dude from mississippi state now go. Carolina beat mississippi state at some point. Maybe we asked the asia wilson year. But yeah it's going to. It's going to be so fun. I think stanford stanford should win at all they are. They have been the best team in my opinion the whole year. To black coaches awesome. You're gonna have a black coach in the nc double a. finals for women. You could've add one. John could stuck it out there on our at like you know what don staley was saying was a dis need to see this. They need to see that. Like black coaches can do their thing and rise to the top and bring it up again. You're seeing a stanford team that we haven't released is the first final force at stanford team has ever made so they're making progress with teams. That will not stand for. That's that's tara. Vandermeer she but but but the arizona. Yeah she's only coach like three years and she was played in the wnba like to see any female. A coach is amazing. Black women coach. I mean it's it's so feel good. It's so awesome. And that's what should happen. I mean district just fierce female basketball players another coaching. And it's awesome so who wins is a yukon or do you think i think stanford's just has to too many weapons i think when they're on their unstoppable so i'm picking picking stanford but you know it's hard to. It's hard to rule out the gino magic. He just somehow elevates all those players. But i'm picking sanford picking stanford at gonzaga's you heard it. You heard it all right. Let's talk real quickly about baseball. I do we ever talk about. Are you mets fan or now what are you. I'm a a yankees fan. Two though always surprises me to lindores signing was awesome. I mean signing was three hundred and forty one million. Is that what it was. Whatever it was insane day one a fantasy. I have my fantasy team s over us an extra innings today. All right fine is it dodgers. Are we going to see in the in the national league dodgers but dodgers padres for. I think the padres. I mean snell and darvish i and that lineup. I think that tips. I think it's it's tips for the padres. I think it tips it for the padres. I think i mean you know who the hell knows. It's the longest season. Honor barring injury though i think if the padres to me is like an all star squad right now i mean. They're fun and they're young and they even machado's trying wait. Did you run that out. That's fantastic guy. Even you're not deplorable thing. I could say about him. No but tat like i might tip teases even making you actually likable in some way shape or form you know i like. I like them a lot and so you know i mean. Look the carl's got aeronautic. Oh that's a great move for them. It looks like the hopefully probably win the central though you never know the braves will be good again braves. I feel that's in. The mets will be good The cardinals i've got a dylan. Carlson was my rookie keeper. And then i picked up o.'neil in a late round. I always have cards. Always have some cards molina. Still gonna probably be. He's probably one of my favorite players of all time. Oh yeah he's like a nine you know in just still killing it his to change shape. He's so like a medical next greg musical note and it's gone down to octaves. That's much how old do you think about all those pictures. That came to saint louis and were good on saint louis now not good elsewhere. It's like when kyle loesch goes like fifteen in like four you're like and then he goes to another team like tannin fourteen in your life. Why was he fifteen cuts gain. Yada yada here. Molina knows what peter pinch hitters can hit. Is he first ballot hall of famer. Because we have this you think tank so i think obvious to me but there are a lot of people were like. No no doesn't yeah. But i don't know i think yes i think also it's like i i don't know i think i pay attention to like just different. I don't know when you do fantasy. Just become so i know it's pretty stats heavy but you also i guess is only my six year playing fantasy but the the it's sort of like the you really get accustomed to like the consistency. And he's so consistent. You know what i mean. I feel like a really long way. in catcher. is the knees. Go the back like he. He's just played for so long and been so dominant and even like to play offs hitting the game winner. I dunno i think he's alive. I think he's i like ozzie. Smith kind of known for his defense in the later years. He's really stirred up his offense ozzie. Smith ended with like. I wanna say twenty four hundred twenty five hundred hit somewhere in that neighborhood which is not three thousand but still when you compare that with his defense. You're like his best defensive shortstop ever play the game so maybe omar vizquel has claimed to that. But that's it but yada lena. You could say probably along with johnny bench. The two greatest defensive catchers and pudge rodriguez was great two way out of these twenty when he wasn't roy. Twenty four sixty. Yeah twenty four six right so twenty five hundred yada molina has just over two thousand hits so he plays a couple more see. It just depends on much more. He plays he wind up around. Twenty five hundred twenty when he leaves which is probably close to it fascinating entertaining. The mets got a lot better with linda for. I think they're going to be fun to watch. I you know. I've always like their pitching staff. It's so funny. Because the mets feel like such a secondary thought of team because the yankees continue to be relevant Yankees have guy like when the yankees are throwing away. Gary sanchez's feels like they're just tossing him on the scrapheap here to run homer today though. So that's something maybe he'll maybe we'll keep them. I mean obviously the mets are like. I love the underdog feel-good of the mets. I always put new york before anything sports wise so i had no hatred towards all like so much. Oh my best friends or mets fan. So i love going to city field like i love. I'm i'm so. I always do like you. Know mets and yankees. I don't have ill-will. I know that sounds strange. People like absolutely hate each other teams but Mets are just. Yeah they're gonna. They're going to be fun. Miami all of a sudden has got all these pictures at your like who what are their names. And they're like the best prospect to see if they can put their pitching together. They were in the play offs female general exciting. Hurry tearing up with jeeter. She's like failures not an option. I'm like cares. Do i have to cheer for the marlins we'll look. I'll cheer for the if the cardinals are out of it. I'll cheer for the marlins in the same way that like i. Kinda was rooting for the tampa bay. Rays even though. I don't love tampa bam like. I like this the way this team is built. I like that. They're you know it's still funny. Like pressure is so Means so much like an impression play for the yankees impression. A win for the yankees. That's why you look back at those yankees wins in the late nineties and two thousand. And you're like okay. Those are some pressurized wins that they they pulled out of nowhere and you know how hard it is because they should have won the two thousand and one post nine eleven year but just did that shows you like how you can have everything on your side like the universe in god and yeah everybody seal team six. Everyone's on they want you to win and yet you still lose. You know what i mean. But like i'll trade three of them out to ninety nine to ninety for that for that when we we needed. That one was but look man. The of you have a lot to look forward to. There's a lot in first of all this week. It's going to be so much fun again. If you're a basketball fan women's and men's they're such good basketball to watch to say let's take a break. We come back. We have three quick stories. We're gonna go over crickets with aaron fully. Talk about what she has on you plug into that. This is from the cheap seats. Don't go anywhere mon. same guys. Welcome back to the show. Our guest is the great aaron fully. Please tell these people your podcasts and stuff that they can plug into and just enjoy you and follow you and all that stuff. Yeah i'm gonna fire it up. I took a little break. Was i was writing on an sitcom day time. Yep and then The world ended and then that went away so yes. I'm going to fire a backup this year at some point in time. It's sports without balls. And i'm just doing a lot more interviews with female athletes. That's the new. That's the new plan and coaches announcers and stuff just getting into the lady sportsworld which i'm obsessed with. It's amazing you should talk to the to the owner. The gm of the marlins like that should be one of your interview. I now you should be talking to jessica. Mendoza should be talking to doris. Burke i want all those people on your podcast and i'm just decreeing it right now. I now i wanna talk to all of them. I upset i mean doors burke i mean he's just like just bouncing balls in the heels sess filter. My son has and he hasn't played in a while but we have xbox to the as nba two k. Twenty-one and doris burke calls games like doris. Burke chris weber and kevin harlan are calling a game like she's like basically almost telling the story that she told like in her real sports like honest video game. She's i you know for me colin sports and i'm like wait. Is she gonna like get into personal like twelve year. Old son. Inches night again. And i'm like tearing up about doors. Birds like story. And i'm like this is insane that this is in a video game. It is so such great attention to detail how good she is. She's like great even on. Nba people can follow you on twitter and whatnot at aaron fully. My right aaron fully comic twitter. Yeah i g. Yep and i is. Just aaron. Full aaron k foley. Gee it'll good to keep them not consistent escalated. Confuse your public as much as possible. As as jane. I have learned through our whole career. All right let's get into this. Let's get him some quick hits. I'm sure you saw the huge Sneaker news of mas x. get sued yeah. You know what you can't do is make a nike shoe at not consult nike. Like i don't give a shit that there was like real human blood in there there. There was not you in blood in okay but fine right this human blood in every sneaker you can't just make sneakers with the nike swoosh on it and then just start selling them without nike coming down and raining hellfire on you i. It's sort of like that's like the ultimate pandemic story. It's like it was just like you may not be in it. We're going to release it. It's like everyone's just like there's there's no rules it's like it's a total apocalypse. It's like i've got an honor. Oh three hundred sixty days on my hand. Let's just do this. I mean i like you watch the video. I don't know if you saw the video. The new naza little nasdaq song video. It is pretty amazing. It's visually stunning. It's out of this world. It is super homoerotic. And it's like he's like this is who i which. I love like this who i am. This is who i am. My zacks not old town road. This is who i am right now. and so. that's like amazing. That's coming out. Why would you kill any momentum by like getting embroiled with nike know. Nike is gonna come after you like nobody in. That tells me that little mosaics doesn't have anyone in his crew to be like. Hey maybe we shouldn't do this back that out. Maybe get someone on the phone. Just maybe just a little just just clear that real quick like niks. Any miki's nike's thing but fighting nike by the overlord to make it satanic. Like you know. Nike wasn't going to be super excited about blood in their shoes. And it's a hard sell of. You're having a meeting if you're if you're having a meeting in everybody's around the table. It's a rough cell in your shoes. Then now we're how are we going to sell this Nike probably the corporate people nike probably fought their likes meakers like app. You know where they like released like all sneakers and they're like i don't know that's going way out on a limb and then by the way he sold out of his shoes mike out of these like in a minute like one minute. He sold out of every single pair of sneakers that he made with this thing with. It's just again. I'm like okay. I guess you didn't need all that like old town road money because nike's gonna come after some of that too just for the dumb decision that you know they have like roundtable discussions on like you know she we do. We use like rose pedal pinker lavender. That's an hour. That's like an hour every day for a year decision on a nike shoe. A let the blood make it a satanic shoe. That ain't happening well. At least he wasn't a high school football coach. Like this next guy. When you really think about high school football coaches you know. A few of them are amazing. They're just incredible. And i don't know if you watched. Just i've been really fascinated with coaches in general. I just watched with my oldest with my youngest daughter. The last season of last chance you the basketball team so east. La college. have you seen it fully. it's now. I haven't i haven't minded show last year to you. You see the football stuff. I it's great. I mean it's totally worth watching. And i tried to like my sports watching so excessive that when it bleeds into like a lot of documentaries sometimes i just i'm to. I'm going to have to take a break so there. There are a few coaches like that coach and he's not a high school coach but some great high school coaches move onto coach in college. Like they have what it takes. The high school is. they're proving ground. There may be a huge class six say and they win state championships than they move up to the next level with a recruit to a college and then kind of move. That happens okay. That's fine then. Most other college coaches are idiots like the dumbest price coaches high school. Football coaches are high school. Football coach taught driver's ed and was so dumb. He had like psoriasis on his elbows and on his forearms and he called the simulated the driving simulators. He's a grown ass man coaching football. He called them stimulators now. We're like nobody told coach denny stab stop danny stab and to me i would add is a name that doesn't like wow that's like mark like the word never hear the phrase denny stop. What's he up to. Oh he came up with a cure for leukemia. Denny stop like there's like stunting your growth and then they're stopping like stopping seems a little more abrupt anyway. There was this guy. This is a crazy story. We gotta about the guy who was the coach who used antisemitic. Audibles to call like he'd do you saw this. Did you hear this story. By the way. I just was in texas for fifteen days with my family so i haven't come up for air to do anything except watch the game. I'm sorry i do not know this story. Okay well this is an insane story. High school football coach is fired after players use of antisemitic language school officials in duxbury massachusetts. This should not be having a massive tree. I didn't i didn't see massachusetts coming. They're calling it horrifying disappointing language that they said they hired a private lord conduct an investigation duxbury consistently ranks among the wealthier towns. And by the way duxbury does sound like oh it sounds like tell right now on wednesday mr moore. My maron was fired. after school. officials said that players had used the antisemitic terms as playcalls. At the line of scrimmage. It's not just. Hey my players using these terms antisemitic. Terms are there. I mean we know from Meyers leonard that there's one but what else like me dirty. You know like genius at the line and you gotta figure out to see. I say because. I can't i get it gets stuck right here and then i'm as jews. We can say it for money. Liza for design on six. It is like dizzy. Think that's dumb. These people are obviously first of all if you're if you're an anti semite you're discussing piece of garbage trash so then you're like what i always think it's like is it total like weird like arrogance or you're surrounded by some like the people that are like on the shoe shoe it's gonna work. You must be surrounded by people that you say this all the time. So it's like it's it's second nature so then you think you can take it in public but also you're teaching kids. You're teaching kids right. So that's the meyers leonard. Aspect of it. Where he was like just came out. It just comes out known that it's come out a lot in the past and now it's out again and you just got caught in so your politics and could you got caught. It's just again a guy like this should not only because he oversaw this and approved it and in my opinion signed off on it he certainly did nothing to stop it so and like you said he's teaching kids teaching you that it's okay to have this opinion so to me. He should not be allowed to coach high school. Anything ever again and again. It should affect his job status at places or he should have to like a registered sex offender have to say. I'm a registered anti-semites. He should not be around a child. Ever again he pass. It could get a job teaching like you know whatever quote unquote teaching coaching. Get a job at liberty university or in the office of moral roberts. Yeah marge marjorie. Taylor agreed. Yeah sorry go ahead. On oral roberts was like that was a weird thing to root for. I was like i was rooting for roberts so hard and then i'm like wait a minute. This guy's antisemitic. Astle started this college homophobic out there. They're they're it's funny. Because i was good. For oral roberts and then i go to something i said. There's something wrong with oral roberts. I know there's something wrong. With oral roberts and google robertson. It's like you know gays bernard how and that's it. I knew it was. you know. First of all the name oral. Roberts like nothing positive. You don't get a positive feeling with a roberts creepy name. But i knew there was something wrong itself. Sounds like a gate thing. Like you know what i mean like those terms together like so the more you mean into that. My friends oral roberts like allie for new. Bob guys named bob. It's the oil roberts. They love the things they do. A sports team mascots. We'll talk about this crazy business. There's a dark underbelly occurs. You never wanna see the dude with the mascot head off. That's gonna ruin a lot of and i would say after that mascot warn once you never want the who would want to ever take it. 'cause to how much washing it would take to get. The smell of vodka doritos and i regret failed. Dreams regret how to get bad. Tied pod that way out of there so it's just insane. Well there was a crazy story recently of a mascot right. It's like the crazy thing is like who does want their it and the name of the mascot is so funny like who wants that and for what purpose for what reason and you're really gonna smell it louis the lookout costume which they really should posted someone out there to make sure back. Drop the ball summoned drops off a minor league. Baseball team in tennessee has its mascot back a day after it was reported. Stolen if you're gonna steal it steal it for a week cakes. Some instagram photos posted on some. Yes fun with it. You're going to steal it. You just give it back like And it's a minor league baseball team. They don't have money to like buy new costumer so it's like you're stealing from the poor. Why are we even doing this. Minor league baseball team in tennessee in chattanooga had its mascot back after a day of was reportedly stolen the chattanooga lookouts announced when they should be the chattanooga choo choo. I don't tell you your business. Minor league baseball isn't we were to chattanooga a wedding. We were like ten years old and we stay in the chattanooga choo choo hotel. We're like should jews be in a in a railroad like job an open door just to get it and then can you put us in the in the woody guthrie car and then and then we noticed like down the road. There was an attraction called rock city. There's a place look at a bunch of rocks. I'm like man. You guys need better attractions going down around. We're going out iraq sandy. Just gonna see some rock and roll. It's rock and roll. No so they said that hundreds of dollars of merchandise and equipment were stolen too. So i'm sure that didn't come back but the fact that we took the costume we smelled it. And we just had to give back like it's primarily it's an albatross around your neck and i'm sure louis. Thank god. i'm supposed to get married in that. I to say but like you know what i mean. Probably like let's put it on. Let's take all these fun photos. They put it on one's vomited inside the mass and their prank yet. Get it back. City is still a location in the rock city will amaze you. It's our nature it's in our nature. Is it a bunch of ron located atop lookout mountain. That's why they're called the lookout. Just six miles from downtown. Chattanooga rock city's true marvel of nature featuring massive agent rock formations gardens with over four hundred native plant species and gift shops and breathtaking sees seven states panoramic views. This is the answer. When someone's like how do you live in. La the traffic. What are my options. You know what i mean. You're you're going to hang out in lookout tennessee. I've been around this. I've been around this country. Traffic's by the job. I can handle this. Don't go out of rush hour day. Not iraq city green and the states are pretty. There you go there you go. That's quick aaron foley. Thank you for your just wonderful breath of knowledge. I'm very excited to watch the women's final four animates text each other. Let's take tax each other throughout. Yeah it was fun. Because i was watching michigan i was like musk. Lars gotta hit them up worried about us but given risk. We talked throughout the tournament. That was really. I couldn't even watch. I was literally like. I used the point where i couldn't watch the game. All i could do was watch the score advanced on the espn app. Do hang out with my daughters and do things that had nothing to do with anything different right when your teams in you you just experience is so fun. it's not. it really truly is not fun. It's like sarah my partners like why why. Why couldn't you watch it. And i was like no. I can't. I can't physically. I'm to invested. I can't physically handle this. I love it too much. That i hate. It literally hated it hate it. Had its own if they win. If your team wins record everything then. I'll watch it but i can't watch them lose. A kid literally cannot whatever. My team is i. Cannot you know different team needs. I literally can't physically do it. Aired tape and then i watch us you are. You are a fan to me. Anyone who's we'll get him next time. I'm like you know your team you. We'll get him next time when your team loses big game. Not a big enough to face doesn't ruin your weekend. You're not enough fan. It's day one of its opening day. I'm watching the yankees. Aaron judge is up two outs ninth man on second and he strikes out and pissed so angry. Season's over it's the first avenue live it live it. I turned it off. I went into the other room to you. Have every right to me. That's why we love you. Aaron foley thank you so much. Take a break when we come back on the other side. A great actor michael caine. Who of course was the coach of In the movie victory has his advice for what he would have done differently to get the us men's team into deliver which which they failed to get into this. That's on the other side of the break voicemail. We'll be right back after this although that aaron foliage. She's fantastic. Follow her on oliver stuff. Checkout or podcast. Stand up all those things and before we get out of here. We promised you voicemail. From michael cain and we got one check it out. Hello jason randy dishes michael. Kite hates me academy award winning actor michael. Okay and i'm calling you today because as become clear to me that the united states football team and no doubt making stuff with the pads and the throwing and the tom brady throwing the trophy in between boat. I made the world's football the beautiful game. What you would call sucker. But the us team has failed to qualify for the tokyo antics. I wanted to make one thing perfectly clear. I'll make my intentions down a couple of years ago. I volunteered my services to couch. The us team. 'cause i watch it if the back. I want you to think back that you would move to jade college. Victory movie upside coach now wishful thinking loci dot as a movie. He's not real life but that'd be question as my dog starts barking in the background. W ask you a question. What do you think it is at the. Us team needs to stop doing. I'll tell you what it is. They need to start acting like day off. When do you hear be. They need to start acting like they are the ones who are champions. Who are winners because right now. They're not acting like it. And what else is acting than pretending to be something that you either all ought at right now. The american team is a bunch lives so if you could get a message over the us stock not done now that they actually want to be participating in the world cup in the country of qatar. Twenty twenty two. They should call that my jonathan look. I tried to coach in the movie. And i want you to know. Do not play the couch of football team. Dot put sylvester stallone in go arrive on paper semester to loan out his best stay on topic about his out of settling paik pig dot. He's no tala that full foot seven. He played on coke. I beat the ultimate evil. The nazis all right so if you wanna see americans actually be competitive against taking like you know england while not against my team the three lions forever but anyway competitive against brazil chile mexico. You got to get. You've got to give a call to michael. I which i will do it. Show you all. It takes to stop back. What he is. An actor's actor. He is a acting soccer coaches acting points. He up good points. You can't really argue it. Can you argue with michael. Cain to me michael. Cain is a guy who hasn't lost an argument in twenty seven years. Greg necker raises his voice. He doesn't after ray path to write. It is very difficult. I'll say this we love you guys so much. 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Best Of: Stan Van Gundy

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

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Best Of: Stan Van Gundy

"This is the Dan Le Batard show with this to spot casts. Our credible NBA expert, the guy that lifts up everything around here during this time of the year, standing Gundy is with us. And he has told you unlike anyone else at this network that the Golden State Warriors will lose. Now, things are getting dangerous for him here. When's the last time they lost? But but I think he's still holds out hope and Milwaukee. You don't hold out hope and Toronto, do you? Well, I do I've said all along. I thought Milwaukee would win, so I'm not backing off of that. I still think they will. But I've also said earlier on that I thought whoever came out of the east could beat Golden State, and I hold onto that too. All right. I wanna talk to you about that. And what's happening with Chris Broussard? And Kevin Durant. But before we do that, I want to ask you, because what I have found, and it's a very small sample. He hasn't played onto compo- that much and I knew that Leonard was an extraordinary perimeter defender. But I didn't know we was good enough to bother that guy and bother him that way that a small sample or is it real can Leonard actually guard onto? Compo-. Well, it is a small sample, but it is real also. I mean he he's done a great job that, that shift by Nick nurse has been important, but the other thing that's happened. If you really watch the series when they've come back to Toronto, not only they put Hawaii on him as the primary defender. But they're really doing a much better job at helping he's getting no room on the floor. When he goes into that spin dribble that is so effective, there's always somebody waiting for him. And I think he's caught right now in between trying to be aggressive, but he's forcing the issue too much. He's going to have to find a better balance of given given up the ball earlier against some of that help helped me understand something as our experts then because I love that series for the reason that it's a different time in basketball. It's one guy going against the others and their triple teaming. The one guy in the one guy's got a created. And this throughout the history of basketball. Milwaukee's been better. All season better empirically better in every way and have the advantage in this series by playing at home. They're twenty two and two after a loss. It's the best thing that's ever happened after a loss in the history of the sport. But those two guys going up against each other. And now it's best of three and one of them's young and one of them's not one of them's been there. And one of them's not I've never believed in any of that stuff. I believe onto compose going to rise because his team is better, but this is usually through basketball history where onto to come to fall to his knees and lose and suffer. So that he comes back with something more than that spin move. Well, I don't believe that because he went through that a little bit last year lost in what a seven game series to Boston. So so he has lost. He's been in the playoffs before this isn't his first time, but lost lost in a way that will hurt because everyone we saying better than you do. You've been working for this lost in the way that hurts the way, LeBron James became Tom Hanks in castaway after he lost Dirk. Well, I mean, I don't think that it has to happen. And I don't think that it will happen. I mean it didn't happen to the to the Celtics in two thousand and eight I mean it just there's a lot of people it doesn't happen to that. That's you know, we've got the Jordan example. What happened to those guys individually STAN, those three guys Garnett and I really Kevin Garnett. Never even team what the playoffs were. He just got in the for humane. His composure hasn't known what the playoffs anyway. But Kevin Garnett. It never gone through it. He wanted to playoff series in twelve years in Minnesota. I mean and only once he got to the conference finals once I mean, you got beaten a first round every year. I mean it was. You know every other year so he never had gone through it. Ray Allen really hadn't been through any painful stuff he'd been in the playoffs. But so is so as Jaanus I mean, none of those guys had gone through. So I just myths that have come up yet. Kawais been through it in one got a rayon went to a conference finals. And you just pooh-poohed Kevin Garnett's conference, all Pearson, and heads cave. You guys are talking about Yoenis. Right. You're talking about a guy that probably will be the all time. Great tough the stuff you're talking about the suffering. We're talking about the Michael Jordan's the best of the best. Ray allen. We're talking about Jordan's those guys going through the for everyone. Everyone a chance at counties. One of the power forwards of all time are counts doesn't reality. I don't think our Ned in Ray Allen had been through much pain. You're talking one time for each of them to the conference finals. You're not talking about going through a lot of pain. That's Yana that's where that's the whole thing. But those guys one without going through a lot of pain. That's my point. I don't we love to create these myths in sports, because they're, you know, great stories, I guess, but, but most of them are BS, I think, really the only team that had like a central figure that didn't have to go through the suffering initially was the Golden State Warriors. And that's because they played a Cleveland team those totally broken and Cleveland team took him to six Matthew delve Adoga as a second best player and you saw the very next year. They weren't exactly ready for like real pressure, real like, oh blueprint stuff on the line. And they choke the way three one lead. Now I'm not buying any of that. Wanna championships? So they won without going through the pain. That's what we're talking about. Yeah. But they got the pad. Could you sustain without going through the pain, west story, your we creating like my, the heat went through some pain? They lost that I think most Celtics one that first year together, but they played more games to get to the championship than any team ever had. They kept going seven game series. That was not easy for them. Anyway, I think most most seems that end up winning championship with one of those great all-time players have gone through real tough heartbreaking losses. I'm not just talking about losing to the Celtics and seven, you know, falling short falling in the conference finals running into someone that was better that forced them up their game. And at facets of the game. Magic never went through it rookie season files NBC's and one of the best games ever. I mean, there's a lot of people that haven't concert, it's just again, it's one of these stories in, in sports imbalance, one of my favorites stories in your ruining it. So stop it. And let him ruin more go. He's got no time for t-shirt Kennedy's. Got no time for cheerleaders. Halftime ceremony. Mythology and I think Milwaukee will still end up winning because look I mean Toronto had to get great games out of Fred van Vliet, who I didn't know still on the roster. I love Fred van Vliet. I thought he wasn't there. That guy's been awful. He plays a great game Norman Powell. Played a great game Baca like I'm going to say they're not doing that two more times in this series to get Toronto over the top. So, you know, I'm still taking Milwaukee, but Toronto's a good team. I'll give him that. But it's just going to come down to who's better. It's not gonna come down to they've suffered so much. They've suffers. Toronto has so much. Yeah. Get out of here guys in Toronto of suffered but not. And he's the biggest difference maker on their team co. I suffered the reality shot. And then he came back to next. Holy hell the best thing anyone's ever seen from basketball with the way zen Antonio came back from that law San Antonio had at that time. What? I mean not why they had what four championships. I mean come on his cO. I miss an important free. Throw more often than not, I'm going to be right in terms of the suffering debate here. No. Because you're just going to create suffering. I don't I don't necessarily going this stuff. You're saying is suffering is suffering teams losing applies. Only one team wins every damn year. Everybody else loses. So a lot of people lose in the playoffs. That's a lot different than suffering. I mean, you're telling me, Kevin Garnett suffered in Minnesota. Because he got to the conference finals. Once what Kevin Garnett hadn't Minnesota's. They want good enough. I mean that's not that's different from suffering Jordan. I buy you know, I mean he went through as one of the best players in a game at that time, and he was struggling and couldn't get over the top all by his suffering story almost the rest of them their teams loss. Stan, what do you think about red panda? The lady on the unicycle that flips the bowls on top of her head. Well, I think those are great. I don't go to a basketball game to watch them. But, but I think that's really great talent. Yeah. My can you give me the sound here? I've never hit a guest co host with this just hit STAN Van Gundy, with this out, please. Show. Everything we just did stand was just to get you to call van Vliet awful. So we could get it on ESPN. We just wanted to get you so educated. So educated that you blurted rage filled. Vanfleet a professional basketball player. You may coach in the future. Been awful. Well, he has been and what for them, I think one of the reasons they got behind in the series, there was no. Fred been bleach been great into Rondos depth has been a big part of what they've been able to do in their depth. Hasn't been very good in the postseason. And one of the biggest reasons is Fred van Vliet has not been good. He hasn't been able to make shot. He's become hesitant and the other night. He got a couple of shots to go down and he was back to being confident. Fred van bleed. I mean, if you're Milwaukee, you certainly hope he misses that first one and goes back to be in a little bit into Sophal awful, not a little bit indecisive awful. Well though he had been awful. All right. That's enough. That's enough donlevatar. I'm gonna eat my wings with blue cheese and a lot of it, and I'm gonna come in here with lose face and a couple of napkins, two beds, up complaining about stugatz told you, you can't eat wings. You decided that on your own utilize that a choice, a meecham and us choice. We've eaten wings every day, we both have blue. We'd slathered blue cheese. Both unco. Slathering on each other. That's my dream BCC donlevatar show with this two guys on ESPN radio. God's made a very solid point during the break that we have to discuss about Chris Broussard, and sort of the way he ended that feud with Kevin Durant, both with phrasing. And by telling people come on over and meet us that undisputed, we'll get to that second, but first happy, sixty third birthday to Buck Showalter, Abby birthday to him. I don't care. Good luck put it on the poll. Did you think Buck Showalter was older than sixty three years old? So gods. Are you an agreement? Stan Van Gundy, with what's to God's is about to say that Chris Broussard, had the perfect punctuation dismount on any disagreement. Stan, he said to end everything after all this, I will continue to love respect and pray for Kevin Durant's. Cover man. That's right. Thank you, ROY. Like what Kevin Durant got he's been checkmated. What can you do from there is in both God? Oh, no. That's right. So ridiculous. What? So what? So ridiculous what I mean. The whole thing between the two of them is so ridiculous like it matter. You know, it matters to who to everybody except you the KOMO who doesn't like fun soap opera. The kevin. Let's there on Wednesday night on CBS then you eat them up. It only mattered to Kevin Durant. He just said he was lying. That's what mattered you. Call reporter Aligarh stand. It's the highest form of insult like I guess he can't be Aligarh because he so closely aligned with God, and we've never seen those godly people live. Jagged today. I, I just don't understand why you're keeping up for Kevin Durant, whose notoriously been super petty on social media, and has taken all this sort of criticism in air super thin zone, super thin skin stand your thin skinned. I agree with that. But, but I would guess that crisper sard is too, because my experiences as a group, the most thin-skinned people, I've ever been around. So right about that. He's so right about that. I don't know how much you've spent how much time you spend in Bristol. But every athlete who goes up to Bristol walks through the room and it's like Jesus. There are some insecure people in the air like this is nothing like a locker room, you criticized for lipping and get this is nothing disparity between the former athlete who's wandering around Bristol, and all of us gas bags who have been combing, our hair or have combed, for us on television is fairly is fairly wide Gulf, well, I would say this and it stays to this day with me. I mean, I've got pretty good relationship with most media, but the guys and it started with you, Dan. I mean, one of the things that I think, led to us developing a friendship is, you know, you had written some things I didn't like, and I was able to say that. And you didn't get defensive about. It. And so, you know, when you find those people, there's a respected grows, no doubt about it, and they're certainly athlete to our defensive insensitive and thin skinned. But men in the media, I'm going to say there's far more who are thin skinned. That are not got I was having such a lovely day in New York that remember it was sunning out. I was at an internet cafe I was surrounded by friends, and I got word that STAN Van Gundy wanted to talk to me, and I went to a payphone back then there were payphones, right? I went to a pay phone and called him and he blow torched my face. How many? That bad. It was well you don't have long. Don't remember it being that bad and I don't wanna broussard's Durant situation with us. Miss remembering things. You don't remember being that bad because you're not as sensitive as media members. Here used to people flame. Throwing each other you're used to it. Like, in fact, tell me if I'm wrong about this stand, Pat. Riley. Okay. He is viewed as whatever dictator culture, guy and hit his philosophy is tell me if you teach me something or at least. That's what he says, philosophy is you don't mind guy barking back at you do you now. I mean first of all, I mean it's just part of the job, if you're going to coach anywhere, really. But particularly in the NBA I mean, there's going to be a lot of criticism. I mean you have one of those jobs. Of which, there are a few, but you have one of those jobs that everybody thinks they can do. And so, you know they're going to criticize every move you make. And that's just what comes up all the time. And so if you're if you're overly sensitive to that, you're not gonna last long were you ever sensitive to it like young in your career? Was it something that you were ever prickly about? Because I honestly I don't get how people who have had the success that Shaquille O'Neal, or Kevin Durant is and maybe have maybe I'm an idiot about this, because Durant has told us that he used to pray as child to be shorter because he didn't want to stand out because he was gangly and maybe some of these guys take into adulthood, some of the childhood stigmas shack better at his size, than most at sort of being charming and affable. Most of them feel a little bit more like doing Shintos or Kareem. Abdul-jabbar brooding giants, who were unhappy in childhood, and then grow to be something else. That's a little more. Bitter adulthood shack. And Kevin Durant. Stan, I'm stunned by how sensitive, they are stunned. I don't really know where that comes from, you know, with anybody, let alone athletes, I don't really know where it comes from. But we've all been there. Look, I'm not one of these guys who says, I don't care what people think about me. I mean you would rather certainly rather people right in say great things about you. You just can't let it affect you. And the way you do your job in the way you live. I mean that to me is the is the differentiation. You know, there may be people a very few out there who, honestly, don't care what people say, but that's not to me. That's not really true. Most people, I think when they say that are probably not being honest, but, but I think most coaches are at the point they're not going to let it affect their job, and they don't carry it carry it with them. I've got a couple of times where, but it was more where I thought people attacked me. Personally or you know, put words in my mouth that I didn't say things like that where I've gotten upset at the media, but the criticism over whatever I did in a game that has never really that has never really bothered me. But saying I'm a little confused. What point do you sort of switch party lines? I mean Charles Barkley does this to talk about the media's you guys Charles Barkley's been a member of the media longer than he was a player. And I just don't really understand that even though you see all these former coaches coaches get into the media's analyst or what have you. And it's still very much a us versus them mentality. Even though us joined them. I just don't understand. Why never understood that that you and your brother. I've never understood the relationship that you and your brother have with the media where you are really good to media members. And yet, you seem to have a general disdain for media. No. I don't. Have a general disdain for media. I don't think anybody that really was around me when I was coaching would say that I have, like I would with anything I have a disdain with, you know, people who I think are, you know, unfair dishonest or or the very, very few. I've been around don't work at their jobs. But no, I don't have a general disdain for the media. But to Mike's point of we are part of the media. There's, there's no question about that. But look, my brother and I in particular get criticized at times, and by you guys for the way we do our jobs, because we won't for instance, criticised coaches and things like that. So, yes, we're part of the media, but I think it's a little bit different. I'm always going to come at it. Especially when a coach's involve all admit this freely. I'm gonna come at it from coach's perspective, not as not from a media, that's all well and Feinstein, but I would say you'd be better at your media job, if you were willing to. In spots say this is why I would have done differently as a coach because this guy just instituted this game plan. And here's why I think it's wrong in protecting all the coaches you can almost never do that, where this is why what's happening here. I don't think that fair. Jeff certainly does it on the air talk about what he thinks teams need to do differently. And I've certainly said that in analyzing things, you know about about game plans and stuff. I think the difference is we stopped short of being critical of the coach because we understand the job you're faced with these difficult decisions all the time. And because you may in one case differ from what I would do. I, I don't have the arrogance to think just because I would do differently means. It's right. I mean, I'm sitting in the media because I got fired. So. That's number one, but also, you know, number two talking about it. We understand that there's a lot of choices and those choices are hard in the fact that the guy mate, make a wrong choice in terms of game plan that doesn't work out. Doesn't mean the guy's not a good coach Cashmore of the donlevatar show with stugatz ten to one eastern on ESPN radio ESPN news. Sue God's here Memorial Day might be the unofficial start to summer. 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If you gave your father a T so time piece, check all that out on stupidity. By the way, there is much more of that my bullseye holder. Oh, I haven't disapproved of yet. Donlevatar d-, I would -absolutely take down my own school, as a journalist if I find out that there was financial aid, probably kidding me. I'm not hiding that story. I totally leverage that information for money, felony blackmail, stugatz. He's got to be the only radio personality America who freely admits. Yeah. That's good. You got to get all the other spots have been taken. He's like serving the landscape on where can I plant my flag? I got this, right. Nobody else wants this. Why is there no one here? This looks like such a great land. I could just claim all fraud and crime worked out. Well for me. These are show with this two guys on ESPN radio. Alison I need to hear from you here because you have been laughing at us since New York number of things have happened that were funny that nightstand. If you don't know we did a fairly ridiculous thing where we kind of did a show in New York in a theatre Saturday. And there was all sorts of funny stuff that happened before the show though, the creator parks and rec, a guy who wrote for Saturday Night, Live and the office. Well into the night, three o'clock in the morning. He was thrilled to be in a hotel lobby just sitting with Billy. Chris and ROY just delighted to this guy who's been with legends who create comedy, and he couldn't have it. He was a fan boy around you three. It was so weird like so weird. Awesome. Yeah. Like I always so uncomfortable, just because of how like socially awkward that. I'm like I've met him once before when he came here to do the piece that he wrote on the show for slate. Right. And he was sitting next to me the whole time. And I love his shows. You don't understand. I watched Brooklyn nine nine. I watched the good place. I watch all of his shows. So he's getting pepper like all night with questions, Pablo was there, too. And Greg was there and they're asking about Saturday live. And they're asking all these questions about his different shows and all these things and I'm like, man, I don't want to be like that guy that's just talking to him about that one thing because what if he doesn't wanna talk about that? So instead, I didn't really ask any questions to the point where at one point Bill, you're gonna talk at all tonight. And I'm like, oh, great. This is great impression that I'm leaving. Him. He was doing the same thing with us though. He's asking us quite it was. So that's the thing that was that. What was funny to me was that, of course, Greg Cody is going to zone in and get in their limit grab as much as I can of whatever it is in give me, more forties, and, and that he would behave around this guy fan boy around this guy, but to see him, they're like, push them off to fan. Boy on you guys is the part that stunned me. Well, he's asking because like, oh, what are you guys watching trying to start all these conversations? And it's not like I could tell them like oh, I've been, you know, binging on parks and rec with my fiance, because I don't want to sound like a weirdo. I don't wanna sound like the creeper who's just like watches all his things. I'm like, oh, watching season eighteen of amazing racing's like oh that was a good season. I guess, sound like an eighty when I'm talking. I'm just embarrassing myself left. And right. And then, you know it's too late. I don't typically stay out until that late, but I'm not going to be the one that ends the conversation and the party. So I was there like really, really late like a lot later than it used them. And like. My fiancee would be is everything. Okay. 'cause you said you're gonna call five minutes ago, and that was three hours ago in me and Moser talking here will be up there. And I had to call him MOS, which I know isn't his name, but I had to like, explainer because there's Mike Ryan. So if I'm saying, Mike, she thinks I'm talking about Mike. But his name is, who's just a whole is so stressful. Allison. Terrible confession. I successfully ducked this entire scenario is one of the best moves I've ever listen, jerk your expert of that, though. I heard someone whisper was that Alison and you disappeared like an apparition into the shadows want any part of any of that. I walked into the hotel, I saw all of you to sell you. I think so. Chris, I definitely saw Greg Cody, like a huge table in the lobby. And I was like, oh my God. How it's right by the elevator that main lobby and I went into the restaurant restaurant to the left. How do I get to my hotel room? How do I get my room upstairs with avoiding that center space? She's like what do you mean? I'm like, well, if there's a fire there must be steer. Well, how do I. The hostesses of this restaurants are like, why can't you see these people? I'm like I work with these people all day in a tiny. I can't. So the host of the restaurant, she was, like, like there has to be a sterile him, our big ING for an alternate routes somebody like couldn't do you to avoid people that you work with. And she also hates, and should, but in the middle of all of what happened. Well, so she didn't tell you how she got upstairs. I got up stairs. Because they so the hostess had like a black Belise, sushi wenttly vis. And she. Covering your face with the pace. Heard that's Allison. Like in the elevator. And then all of a sudden, I found out the next day a need yelled, Allah. And I was really fighting in the elevator. Like, oh my God. No, it gets worse than that. The next morning, Anita house. Did I see you less night in the hotel? And she goes, no wasn't me. That's ROY made is Roy's wife. She's got a lot of criticisms about the show. She completely denied ever that, that hotel lobby at all, like flat out. Flat out that wasn't me. See me last night. That was a me. Wait. Why couldn't house just walked by and said, I'm going to go to sleep. I'm not gonna talk. It was so dark in there. Anyways, the hotel is very lovely lighting was definitely an issue in that hotel. It was so dark in there that no one would have even seen her. And by the way, just another aside to that whole. Kill someone walked up in the middle of us talking and said, you guys are sitting at a million dollar table and then walked away. That was weird. Did that. There was another story, though. Stan that involves Stephen a Smith and Greg Cody and just a general fear. So I wanna I want you to imagine this stand. Right. And my, you can speak. This is scared as Mike Ryan has ever been, and it's because breathing over his shoulder. Trying to get out of there was Stephen a Smith. But of course. You know, we weren't on schedule we weren't where we needed to be. And so he thought he could get in and out in seven minutes, and he was kept waiting how long and made late to the Deontay wilder fight because he was kept waiting. How long after we told him he'd be on state. I need to confirm. He actually made it to the fight because that fight ended in about ninety seconds. So he was waiting in our green room are private area there for roughly twenty five minutes was is that accurate, Alison I, I don't know. I think he was told that he would go on stage at eight twenty and he went on stage at eight fifty. Okay, well, no Alison explain to me what you were feeling during all of this because you thought he was going to leave. They thought he was definitely thought he was going to leave that he had, like, ten twenty minutes and New York observations. I believe was was cut. They weren't gonna do it. I mean my tried to cod, but I didn't cut out any. I mean. Tire time like shorter shorter cuts them out. But I think you cut one out, which I appreciated. Observation history. But he was old on, but I want the audience absorb, I want you to absorb this. Okay. I want to. So Stephen Smith is waiting. Everyone knows it accepts to God's who, unfortunately for all of us has a Mike. And so when God's is giving control this thing tends to careen into a ditch. So Mike scared may or may not have been wearing a Knight's helmet at this point. Mike is scared. And he is demanding that students end the segment because what he's got breathing. Over is not just the Stephen fear. It's also the Allison fear because now everyone's yelling. He's gonna leave and stood up there with fingers in his underwear just regaling the audience with himself observation kept going and going, so he's Austin side when is this happening? I think there was some confusion that may or may not be him fighting with Nick right to wrestling that sort of wrestling trophy, the goes the greatest time we're going to wrestle it away from John. Nobody told Stephen that will Cain would be there. Incidentally, I breaking news. Stephen did indeed make the fights cya relief. No. Listen because a lot of it had changed. You're going to wrestle the trophy from Greg, Cody stop for just a second one of the things we were going to do. Standard tried to number of things apart. And Patrick was across the street having dinner, but couldn't get over there. Brock Meyer was going to come, but had a family emergency. We had something written for him. So we were just improvising at this point through the fear of how do we get on the stage here? Stephen a Smith and what happened next Allison, so Steven, you're going to wrestle this trophy from Greg, Cody who? That's, that's right. As as he wants to leave who. Wasted the dudes time out, great with that night event. Stephen would've left had no ending. Oh my God. It we wanted to serve, we wanted deserved it. But always win. So, of course, even they spent the fight on time Cashmore of the donlevatar show with stugatz, ten to one eastern on ESPN radio and ESPN news. Donlevatar d- my for some reason, I saw you in the room, they're working on what I thought was your Andrew luck. I wasn't sure I walk into the room and of course, what they're talking about is, who. In sports, would you call to rescue your life? If you were a threatening situation and feel like you were going to actually be rescued. And so he's working on Andrew lucked. So let's go ahead and play it out stugatz, not something I wanted to, but absolute you'll save your life. Repel this game. Neutralize threaten. So secure perimeter. Get you back alive. Happy wife happy, life. Doc oil these live at our show with his two guys on ESPN radio. If you missed any of the show, you listen to all three hours of the Dan lebatardshow was our Miami, Elliott, our and our best podcast on demand in the ESPN app and subscribe to the podcast network, featuring south beat sessions, stupidity, and our brand new podcast mystery great featuring the shipping container new episodes every week lease rate. Ed subscribe, it's all valuable in the more tab of the ESPN app, the mystery crate this week is it's normally a mystery but this week we are going to have some of the stuff from the New York show that you guys are clamoring for we're going to throw it in there, because you've been asking for it so that we could be slightly less self involved here, and more self involved there. Willer billy. Billy helped me out with something here. I wanted to talk about something here with STAN Van Gundy, involving the warriors and. Steph curry playing seemingly better when Kevin Durant not around 'em looking great, when Kevin Durant not around. But before I do that you were distracted by something on the television. You felt the need to shout at me longshots, Dan. Yeah. Well, we talked about it earlier today, and I just wanted you to see it so sportscenter coast to coast, which is the twelve o'clock edition of it with Kerry champion David Lloyd. They do the segment called longshots where every day, they pick someone get this, that they think is gonna hit a home run that night, a long shot exam and carry champion really good at it. So I was telling you about and you seem surprised about an inch Lear good at it. Oh, she's good at it. I think I saw last week record with five and ten they've done it fifteen times where you're just picking a random guy in the sport of baseball and five times she that person on that day hit home. Run, Terry knows baseball so Lloyd's. Like one in. That is good the Marlins well, so we were talking about it earlier today, Dan, and I thought that you may think that I was making it up so long shots just on. Wanted to show you unfortunately, I miss who carry pick. So I couldn't tell you oh, you saw Anthony Ren, don't know Lloyd, pick the Lonzo who cares you could say Lloyd do, but really who cares? Who thinks he's guys wanna play this right now? Let's plays it survives to the next round tomorrow. Let whoever gets it right survives. Until the next round tomorrow. Let's go around the room. The Yankees playing the Orioles again today, the Orioles give up a lot of home runs. Stan more through forty nine games than any team in the history of the sport hundred. It's a little crazy. I'll take our as that's my guy. You see what he's done against just the Orioles. Four games against Oreo season. Season of his twelve home runs have been against the orient is saying, so that's who's to God's taking you can't take. Who's he's taking? Who do you have stand pick somebody? Well, you know what this could be a day off for some team? So I wanna check the schedule I go to somebody else. All right. A big doesn't play today. All right. That's fine. There's only about half the team's plane. Okay, did stugatz just get eliminated because he didn't see the schedule. The Orioles do play the Yankees, they do matter of fact, coming on and just a few minutes. Got got right in there and tell Cabestan so we will we will be what Mike, what are you shaking your head? No about. I think it's the past one. I got one got a baseball player. I've heard of I'm going Luke Voight. Nice nice. I saw over the weekend. Go deep at any moment. You're right. I'm gonna go havi by as I don't know. I just feel it. Sure they're playing to. I'm going. Nolan are Nado also. Is Ryan Braun plank tonight. Now or not. Oh, is brought his not. All right. I'll resume I will. Now check the schedule. Stan Van Gundy, tells you why the warriors are better with Steph curry then with Kevin Durant. Well, I don't think that they are. I mean they're better. They need both of them to win the championship, but in a short sample like this, I think is get excited. Steph curry gets to go back to being undisputed the guy and I think that is energized. Plus the fact that he gets the ball in his hands more, you know, you're going to in virtually every time down the floor. He gets in a little bit better rhythm. He has been absolutely phenomenal. What's really happened is Draymond green as much as anything. It's the best I've ever seen him play particularly the last two games in Portland. So, you know, everybody gets energized to prove it's not all Kevin Durant. We see it a lot in pro sports, but it tends to diminish over time. And I don't think they really wanna play the finals without him ROY is eliminated. The cardinals do not play today. Oh, sorry. I'm gonna be out and Matt Harvey is starting today. Okay. The fake as he is starting for the angels. They're taking on the twins. The twinkies are very good baseball team. And they got a lot of guys who hit a lot of home runs. I go the twinkie if I were you if you can aim one Harvey's on the angels now. On the red as an angel that he's pitching badly for the angels net. You should go Corey Kaczynski. I just wanna do I wanna do. They'll hang. Favorite show. Let's do it shaving Seward still hanging around what you just. Listen, if you wanna serious one though and I'll play their game with Mike all day, but Eddie reserve for the twinkies. That would be a good thing not to be confused with easy Dotto. Doug McKay JR. We've already banned. Here's someone already say, man, cave, it the walk into the Atlantic Ocean. Didn't make going to seize without homerun wasn't really wouldn't count on his pop. He for a funny name there is only was doing did he go to Westminster Christian. I believe he did Doug McKay. Did yes he did that one? I know. Yes. He did will that one. I know. Yes, she did the mighty with a rod at least for part of it. He meets with a rod, that's correct. We know so much about Westminster Christian here is Miguel Cabrera healthy. Yeah. He's gonna buy batting average, but he does not heading home run. I don't know that that's coming back for him. I mean really? Yeah. He's, he's just hitting line drives in hard line drives. I mean he's sitting the ball pretty well but he's not getting a lift on the ball at all. Really? So I don't think he's going to hit many, Michael KC. Dammit. Oh man. That is real. Oh boy. Go with Francisco, Linda or allow going. Nice ones. Justin Moore new. Former MVP. Yes, John CENA, does it an MVP? Can you guys help me out here? Gimme a tiger tiger's playing the Marlins, and I'm basically just. Tiger Nico, good room. Look at how excited STAN is to play this game. Eko good room. Yeah. Yeah. Brandon inge. He was he was hack all thing baseball because he could play catch catcher even play game at catcher. He broke in as a catcher, but you can put them as your catcher and you'd get third base pop lead catcher position. Also get a one ninety one average. But some some readies, Dan, you wanna tiger with them hot? You're looking at Ronnie Rodriguez their second baseman leads the team with six home runs and not a great option. All right. I'll take him anyway. Just because he's planning the Marla. I gave you the guy or zero man. I'm telling you see Jake crowed, you suddenly engaged Rendon. Okay here a rookie. I'm gonna give you a rookie right here. Brendan Rodgers Colorado at Pittsburgh today. I'm gonna give you another twin Kyle Loesch. Oh. Insist on playing. All right. Fine. Let's play nineties baseball. Let's go ahead. And do this. Specific team here. That's the new lane. It's an Evelyn of those ninety twins teams. Fantastic. Oh, yeah. Her bag. Let's go around. You've got Dan gladden at third who's the shortstop on. Those glad was was out there. I think it was Gary eighty at their guy at all. I'm talking Gardenhire era tours is not in the lineup. I know Boone's up to Arden higher manager or player manager manager managing the Tigers now. So no, no, no. No garden garden air. Yes. Yes. Did they have Eric Milton? Did last year too. On pay attention here. No, you guys missed what I was saying was the aero were selecting from Gardenhire as a player, which would in the nineties or as a manager zone. I think Mike was saying, we will sort this all out and get to this important matter in a second donlevatar Latimer. Gary seven in war in nationals Expos history, stugatz. How many Expos are ahead of him? Oh easy. Gary Carter's, I hit him Raines rock. Andre Dawson Steve Rogers JR. Tim, Wallich wall and then Ryan Zimmerman and then them these live at our show with this, Stu gods on ESPN radio gamma put it on the poll mayonnaise. We know how STAN van Gundy's going to stand on all this. He doesn't like change of any kind specially none around food. He's the plainest eater. In the history of eating. But would you want catch up and mayonnaise in the same bottle? I like Ken asking you. I know what your answer. Well, I like both of them stand. But here's, here's what I'm thinking I actually liked putting them on separately. I do not want them mixed in the same bottle. I'd prefer to do it separately. You know what they get the mix correct rights to correct the way, I want it to be correct. You know what they should invent? They should have a bottle and feel free to send me royalties when you invent this. They should have a bottle that split down the middle and has two little squeezy things have it as ketchup and half of it is mustard to mention just a good village. Another work just after the shove, the punctuation be that sound on what you're offering was. And we get mustard in there, too. Can we'd be three way thing. Oh, that's too much. Excessive need to calm down. Stan, not mustard mixes with manny's better than ketchup does what, what? Yes. What? No. But on the gear mixes matter better with mayonnaise mustard or catch up what you've just said is appalling what you've just said, is an offence to anyone who's ever eaten. Nobody's going to agree with you on that stand. I mean, my taste may be of higher quality than other people's. And so they may not agree. I mean you know, they may not reach my level, but I can I can live with that standard never even tried it. I've never considered it. Good. Very good on a Hamburg. You've, you've discussed it. Everybody in the room where each other Billy's begun gagging, not since he ate, an onion, raw has he looked like that on his face. I mean I don't understand that. First of all, catch up. Oh my God. Don't like it on anything. But what catch your on American I don't like should be dragged right out of this country? I shouldn't say that catch up, we'll have a little bit of catch-up occasionally on Meatloaf. And that's it. But the people who put it on, like scrambled eggs, that's disgusting like it's delicious. Oh, Stahl catchable steps awful yoga stop. There's a time in a place for catch up. I'm with you on scrambled eggs, but say like what do you put on French fries? What do you do on just just the French fries yet? Don't need anything. No sauce, lots. Yeah. All right. Like rise what? Okay, put that on the poll, French fries plane or with condiments jock Jones. Jack Jones played well for those twins teams with Doug men cave. It's and when Gardez first team there might they had remember they had big Papi on his first team there. Oh, that's right. That was before the steroid, Nick neutral. That's good. Lou ford. You know what you guys are doing though. That makes it hard for me. Ellie w by the way, I'm preferring an older team. You guys are making me feel old because if we're talking old twins teams, I want to go, you know, herbeck Brunen ski I wanna. I wanna go to wurley for everybody. I'm feeling left out of this conversation say Joe maze, in your back end AJ peers and ski. Good at this. I say how about if I go, Ron Carter vice though my going to long, I'm playing it wrong again, Ron Carter vices caucus was long before then yeah, I'm playing the game wrong. This amazing artiste I feel lonely. Yes, go and look that up if you want to hall of Famer David or deed named in the Mitchell report, but denied very strongly players Tribune that he ever used steroids or any performance enhancers. Because he's been tested more than anyone ever, he said and you only start getting tested if you failed one of those tests that he failed. I know but at least at least he could still deny it. I mean, imagine the power of the Mitchell report that Sammy Sosa forgot how to speak a language on the on the heels of the Mitchell report, totally lost his language skills, just because of one report looking back on that time. It's so great. It's so much fun. I told you about that movie. If you've seen the movie screwball that Billy Corbin did about just recent steroid. Nonsense. No. All right. You got to check that will really like because it's just a clown show. That's cartoonish. But don't you miss steroid? Stan, don't you miss that era of baseball? I'm dead serious. Well, look I mean we all. Miss the exploit certainly the season of Sosa and McGwire really brought brought baseball back and it gave us Jose can Saco trying to catch fly balls. So you had to like that, too. But it just said dangerous for the players that it's hard to enjoy it for too long. Mickey tettleton. He was not on that twins tied. I he can mash, though. Visited hearing any principal. Wander with some of these baseball threats. Absolutely should have known. Trying to get him to adhere to something. No, no. I just momentarily lost my mind and thought we were staying on one topic. You mentioned Draymond earlier playing the two best games that you have seen from him in his career dream on always shows up. People forget that even in that historic laws for Golden State Draymond was the only guy in game seven who decided he wanted to come play against Llodra. Lebron everything Abhran had that day, you know. No, he defensively. He's pretty consistent though. He spent at buys own admission. He spent a good part of this season out of shape and did not play well, but loss await late in the year started playing better, the defense, when he's, you know in shape and ready to go. It's consistent. But the offense the way he is pushed the ball up the floor in the last two games, and then his decision, making, this is the most aggressive offense. I've seen him play even before Durant. Kane, you know, when there were. More opportunities. He was not nearly this aggressive offensively. And that's been a big part of their success. These last two games, suck. Knob lock ABS. Rick leira. Such fun game. Remember that fan they used to cheat for they turn on the fans of their players. Hit home runs. Von Hayes often. How? Mel hall. Who long ago? L hall isn't Mel holy eighties. Nineties early nineties, Terry Mojo. Just like randomly throwing out name field. You like seventies on me. Late in the eighties late seventies early eighties by the ninety s he made his way to the twinkies. Oh, put that on the poll. Do you remember the on the World Series team, Winfield on the no he was not? You remember David, no way? No way World Series, a big bet. Let's make he wasn't on the World Series team. The Minnesota Twins of nineteen ninety one. How was their outfield wall? The same materials of public Spag, by the way. He didn't get back to Minnesota chills. Ninety three ninety three Mr. by two years. You can listen to the donlevatar show with the stugatz. Thank to one eastern on ESPN radio. And you can wash on ESPN news.

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Sports Talk 5-28-2020

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Sports Talk 5-28-2020

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Let's get to this six ten seven hundred wwl W. This is sportstalk. Our carrier sportstalk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet Omland. mcallister very excited to be here. Glad to have you here. A hang out for a while. We'll do this for three hours last. Fun A kick around a couple of topics work you in on on a couple of those topics as well and a hand things off to gamble and senior weekly reality. Check at nine tonight. Let's get to the headlines then we'll go. We start with baseball. The Major League Baseball. Players Association expects to counter the owners economic proposal. Proposal by the end of the week with a plan that includes playing more than one hundred games and a guarantee of full prorated salaries for the twenty twenty season that according to Espn John. Hayman of MLB network reports the mets, reds, brewers, and mariners among teams, releasing minor league players today, not all of them. A number of other league players today, literally a war zone out there. One agent told. John Hayman this afternoon, Renton pirates should have wrapped up a series this afternoon at great American Ballpark, it would have been game number fifty six of the regular season Texas governor. Greg Abbott Today said fans will be allowed at outdoor pro sporting events with capacity limited to twenty five percent NFL. News the owners have tabled that fourth and fifteen alternative to the onside kick. Further discussion was needed on the Matter College Basketball Kentucky, as agreed to a three years series with Notre Dame beginning next year with a home with a home game at refereed on December Twelfth for the two thousand twenty twenty one season, the series will include a neutral site event in two thousand and twenty, one at a road game in South Bend in twenty twenty two major league soccer today announced at clubs may begin to use outdoor training fields. Fields for small group training sessions in compliance with detailed health and safety protocols. All small group training sessions are voluntary. The Premier League will restart on June. Seventeenth the Boston Marathon. Push to September fourteenth originally has now been canceled in one late. Note this afternoon from the NFL, Commissioner, sending out a memo to teams, indicating that starting on Monday teams can reopen their ticket offices and their retail shops with the expectation. The following week teams will be permitted to include coaching stabs at the facility. All of that a look at your headlines for everything else go to my blog at seven hundred wwl W dot com blog has reds and bengals and. Interviews from last night, a little bit of this little bit of that. It's there for free and waiting for you. At seven hundred wwl W dot com I want to try something tonight. I told told a couple of people I talked to from the reds. Organization actually told a couple of players I WANNA. Do This I. Don't know that they're listening, but I think it's something that. We'll call it an experiment. You've heard and read the vitriol from the owners and players. The sources say anonymous sources. Those those quotes that are popping up. I'm going to give you a platform. My curiosity is in how you will use it. Here's what I'm asking. What message would you offer them at this point? The owners and players. The fans get left out of all they go back and forth salvos five from each side. You stand over here like waving your hand like that I'd like some baseball I'm curious. What at this stage what you would say what you would offer? Be Message or advice to those involved in the process. My message would be something along these lines I don't need to know how the sausage was made. I prefer both sides. Zip It. I don't want quotes leaked and planted. I don't need to hear either side talk about. I would include in that message and stressing that message that they have a chance to set an example for other pro sports. They have a chance to lift the spirits. Of Baseball, fans lift the spirits of the country. They have an opportunity to take center stage. And if all else fails, I would stress to them. Do not forget. Nineteen ninety-four. Do not. Fail to recall the damage done in one, thousand, nine, hundred four. That would be part of my opening message. But again, what I'm curious is. What you would say if your ear if if you were involved as a party in this now right now later in this week, maybe as early as tomorrow both sides, we'll get together zoom conference calls. If. You were it on that. End. Up in the air, guys if I could just interject here for a second. What would you tell them? Because you're left out of this process, we're left out of the process. It's the the cliche billionaires versus millionaires, and we're over here, waiting and hoping for baseball. I think most are waiting and hoping for baseball. What would you tell them? Let me, give phone number and open up the lines right out of the shoot, five, one, three, seven, four, nine, seven, thousand, one, eight, hundred, the big one pound, seven, hundred at and T. we're up and running. Join US, aren't L. Career sportstalk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet at seven hundred WWL W. Six twenty three seven hundred wwl wrol carriers sportstalk presented by Chelsea Chevrolet. Early question is simply this. You heard both sides. You've heard the vitry all in the the the spewing of of threats and in the unrest I'm giving you a platform. I'm just curious what you would do with it and what your message would be to those involved at this point I. Don't get stressed out and get worked up at times like this. I would say let me know when you're ready to play. Good, I. Don't spend I. Try not to spend time on being. Being upset about things that might happen or could happen now. I reserve the right to get upset. When and if they do happen, but I've never been one who really subscribed to the predictive angst like I. Know this is going to happen, so I'M GONNA get upset about it now. I've got enough to worry about now. That actually is happening, and that's what I would. That's how I would relate to the baseball moment right now, Bob. Nightingale USA Today wrote about this in. Today's paper, he said everyone take a deep breath. exhale slowly and chill. There will be a major league baseball season for twenty twenty. They will play. This is happening. He wrote there's too much money at stake. Everyone knows it Major League Baseball in the Union who may not be able to stand the sight of one another at this moment, stiller business partners and will resolve their issues. No one is naive enough to believe any team will turn a profit this year, but as the players will remind you clubs weren't turning around and handing out Christmas bonuses on the Prophets. They turned every year. Year either there's no reason to offend the biggest stars in the game. There are the highest paid players for a reason. They're the ones who are the biggest gate and TV attractions. The sides will come up with a compromise. It just takes time. There's no deadline in these negotiations, so sit back. Relax and try not to be caught up in the war of words. We're going to have a baseball. Season Major League. Baseball has no choice. Bob Nightingale today from USA. Today could have said it any better. That's why of his quotes from USA TODAY DOT COM I've tried to say this on. I know what frustrates people. There is nothing that has happened to this point that has thrown off the time line of what they initially said. Baseball offer around July the fourth with an eighty two game schedule. The process the making the sausage. Cover your eyes. I don't need to see it. I don't certainly don't need to hear it. There should be a gag order I. Don't WanNa hear from either side. But the drive to the angst. Because what you think is going to happen, I just don't find useful. But it is with that as the backdrop I. Ask you, what would you tell them? You're like the silent partner and all this. Owners over here players over here fans rate here listening seven hundred wwl w. what would you tell them? Go to the phones about Wilmington our first stop and Mitch. You are on seven hundred wliw. Hey Land. You, the more I think about this whole scenario. If? It Really Found me when I think about player like Ted Williams that gave up. You know prime seasons in his. Career. A World War Two and the Korea War and gave up money, and he made that sacrifice for this country well, how does that relate eighty years later? I'm curious. How does that relate to now well, if if we're supposed to take this endemic as seriously as you know, we are in a war with unseen enemy that I've heard well at the same time, if if. Players in the past. Have that's up. And you know sack pike years out of their career. Ted Williams probably hit four hundred. And so the message to the players. What would you say to the owners? Well, they have to make a share sacrifice. It's it's not. It's unilateral between the two because I feel like it's You know I get tired of hearing this. Phrase were all in this together. Okay well for all in this together, everybody has to make back. Oh! That's a good way to put. That's a very good way to put it Mitchell I gotta let me grab as many as I can't hear in Muncie Jim. What would your message be will? Is Is GonNa Change, Your Life Yosick. If, they don't play at all. I couldn't care less. Your message to them. Yeah, exactly right and I say bring back to segment. Okay I I'll let them know as well on the conference call. I don't know how many are aware, but I think we'd all be in favor of that Henderson, we go Tom. What would your message be? I had to take you off speaker. That's why I was delayed. Right? What would your message be to them? Well Kim for. Fifteen seconds. They were for it I just like answer what your message would be to him if you could. Well just about my my message is about the reds tickets while they were offering tickets to buy, and then he would give a kid a backpack. But the irony is, you can't bring the backpack to this. I have no idea what that means, but I certainly appreciate your listening Loveland Dan. What would your message be? Asked hey. So I got I got four points. One they have to remember. This is not just has to be a win win. There's no. If there's no winner, right, otherwise lose. Number two times taken. It's their season. Don't be late root. Word is the okay. Right. number three. Yes is! Remember, that perception is everything. Your point out care how the sausage is made. Yes, our perception. Is Everything. Yes. Lafley four point? Is just basically like. They've got a lead together like. They Talk About Team Baseball Team Sport. Yes, if five of those two to be a team, they need to leave. They need to lead. Now that is, it may be early. I making the caller tonight so far. Dan I listen to thanks for the call. All, right all right. Let's do this bottom. They are now you you dead. What would you offer to that? Owners players back and forth back and forth I don't like you. We don't like you. You're going to have to do this. We're GONNA do that all the while. Tick tick, tick, tick tick! What would your message be to? The parties involved as we continue our L. carrier sports hot presented by Kelsey Chevrolet on seven hundred W. let's keep this moving. Six thirty, seven seven hundred wwl wwl's aren't carrier sportstalk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet are L. Carriers, your global transportation provider visit our LLC DOT COM and Kelsey. chevrolets open for sales and service with a new state of the art. Collision Repair Center coming in July the assignment. Early is for you because you get left out of this. The owners do their thing. The players do their things. They fire the proposals back and forth Some of the the comments are leaked some of them. Them are anonymous sources and you're standing over here going well. What about me I just like to watch some baseball eventually, so I'm providing the platform for you to tell them your message message advice I would tell the players no matter no matter what you think, and no matter what you believe is fair. Understand this. You're always going to be working against the perception that fans believe you don't have a job and you don't work, but you play a game. That's always going to be that way you you. Argue able to change that perception because what you do. Your Line of work is something that fans did in their backyard. So they equate that to fun games. Something you do, you should do for love of the game. They don't equate that to being profession a job. You also have to understand that. Your salaries are known the owners. Books are never opened. That's not GonNa Change Apparently, so you're working against that from a perception standpoint that you play a game and you get paid a lot of money versus the owners who own and don't open their books. That's not going to change, so understand that going into the game. And always realize. You as a as a sport, can't afford nineteen ninety-four. The damage done to the sport in ninety four took for how long. Somewhat, say it it. Never really recovered. Others would point to cal ripken's chase of Lou Gehrig's record in what that did galvanize kind of fans of baseball, then eventually, what mcgwire and Sosa Chase of Roger Marris eventually did, and then it was, the curtain pulled back, and we learned that that was all a fraud a fake, but Remember Ninety Four. They cancelled a world series. In Ninety five when the reds made the playoffs, those games didn't even sell out, and I will say do on blue in the face that this city took the strike of ninety four and the cancellation of the world series more personally than any baseball town in the country. I would be willing to bet if you put the numbers up pre strike, average, attendance, post-strike average attendance, and a couple of years before, and then a couple years after that would bear pretty close to being true in terms of the number of people. Even now that's what twenty six years later who will tell me I have not gone back to a baseball game since the nineteen ninety-four strike. Now. There were certainly hurt feelings around the game here this town. They weren't hurt feelings. It was a sense of betrayal and a big screw. You. You're going to do that. I'm doing this I'll see you well. Check that I won't see 'cause I'm leaving. And you didn't come back. That's what I tell both sides. Understand this opportunity presented and yet. As, Bob, Nightingale said what was the line everyone take a deep breath. exhale slowly in chill. There is going to be baseball and I know it 'cause I. Hear you tell me. It bugs somewhat when I say that. I truly believe they're going to play baseball, so I'm not going to kick and scream and yell and call names until somebody shows me. They're not playing baseball, and if they don't play baseball I will join you in kicking and screaming, and perhaps even calling names to both sides. But to this point, maybe it's only because I've been there done that and had to do radio back in ninety four when there was no baseball season. I understand it's. It's negotiations and that's why I refer to it as the sausage and the old cliche. Nobody knew nobody wants to see the sausage. This is part of the process. It's not fun. It's not comfortable. It doesn't appear to be productive from where we sit. But I. Just I don't why so many people have told me in the last week to two I'm done I say done. Why because these guys can't and I keep saying? They're still on track to play when they said they were going to play. That's what I don't get about the rising level of angst. What they're talking about is a necessity at this point. Now they've got to get it figured out because as the caller said before the bottom of the hour, the clock is ticking, but it's not as though they have veered off course inner venturing somewhere on a on a path to nowhere they said eighty two games, and they said honor around July the fourth. Nobody right now has said nobody has said. We're going to be able to play eighty two games or not going to be able to play on or around July the fourth. The players were puzzle. It's believed is going to be to play more games to play upwards of one, hundred or one hundred and ten games. So don't sweat the small stuff. Let's go back to the phones about buddy. Go here and then there and over here, but you are on seven hundred WWL W. You I say right now. I guess a message out baseball right now. America want you. Desperate for sports, I'M AFRAID ESPN is going to sign the British. I can't. Do Anything. They could leave the news cycle. They play it right for two straight. Every night because we are so desperate. Guy Giving the singer. DETENTE NASCAR. That! I. mean we are desperate. Don't blow your. Yes. He strikes. I WILL BE I. That that's an excellent, that's all I need a buck. Thank you all right. We've rallied now back to back calls I'm making caller a in color. Be One and two of the night. That's what I'm looking for. What is the message would need to to stress to them to say guys. Look listen. Just hear me out for a second now at the same time. Let me drop this in I'm reading The New York Post Today Joel Sherman, Headline Major League Baseball Risk Losing Coal Trout and others if it wins. This from Joel Sherman. What of Major League Baseball owners. Get what they want. And then a group of players don't show up. That would be turning victory to defeat quickly for the owners. And Joe Sherman went on to point out that it has already understood that a group of players and coaches and managers with pre existing conditions might opt out over health concerns. John Lester Anthony Rizzo. The cubs are cancer survivors brandon. Morrow type one diabetes. Joe Sherman talk with multiple agents, a half dozen agents in recent days, who said they expect most players to return due to love of baseball sense of responsibility to their careers teammates, perhaps even being shamed into participating in the bad look, but the agents also say they would not be surprised if some players decide not to play. One agent told The New York Post I would actually be more surprised if we did not get a few. WHO Sat out? Three different here won the super rich players. Two players who were do the most money Garrett Cole Mike, Trout both have lied do with their first child thought by some agent's A. They've made enough money in their career. Already wives pregnant with the first kids. Concerns on multiple levels. Maybe they say we'll sit out, but we'll just. We'll see and twenty twenty one. To the players with contracts for multiple years. In, which twenty twenty is a low year on their contract meeting? You'll get a three year deal and a lot of teams will space out. The payments say it's thirty million and it'll go. Six. Ten fourteen million by year six. Is that up at two thirty, okay, six, ten, fourteen, million, some look, and say you know what I twenty twenty year, my contracts, not that big, the bigger years, or on the back end with all that's going on in the risk of injury and everything else and I'm not happy with the deal. I'm not coming back this year and the third part free agents who feel they could do more harm than good to their case. Guys like mookie Betts and TJ Jt Muto in in Trevor Bauer who become free agents at the end of the year. Maybe look and say well wait a minute. I'm in the final year of my contract Do I come back for only half a season. Do I risk poor performance? Do I risk an injury? Do I put myself kind of behind the eight ball by not having a good year with all? That's going on right now. Maybe I just. Don't come back in twenty twenty and hit free agency in the off season, three scenarios laid out by the New York, post, and then there Scott Boras today the agent we heard the back and forth yesterday Trevor Bauer basically told him to get the hell out of their business in a tweet and yet Scott Boras, said today to his clients in a memo obtained by the Associated Press do not bail out the owners. All part of the backdrop. So. What would you tell them? Five, one, three, seven, four, nine, seven, thousand, one, eight, hundred, the big one pound, seven, hundred on at and T. R., L. Carriers sportstalk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet seven hundred W.. F. Down the stretch rapidly moving our number, one darnold sports talk within about Dawson, triple a nice rally this our love, the input on the topic and the opportunity. On twitter Oh, remember Cayo. Loesch Carlos was a red at one point, Minnesota twins Philadelphia phillies pitcher had pitched over a decade. If I remember in the major leagues, Cow alosha retired. In a twitter spat with Trevor Bauer was making reference to some of the stuff, being said from the players side of things and trevor weighed in and said and I quote. This is Trevor Bauer to former Major League pitcher Kyle. Loesch Kyle your time as a player has come and gone. You're no longer part of the player group negotiating everyone. Appreciate your time and your service, but you don't speak on behalf of the players anymore. That time has come and gone for you. You're not privy to everything that's happening. Kyle Loesch responded. Trevor, I'm just going to chuck. This went up to immaturity. While your generation, it's talking Major League baseball business while playing video games and complaining publicly how the Union is doing us out of touch. Ex players aren't happy. Standing by watching you wreck. What was built? Trevor bowers response on twitter. Okay boomer. Scott Boras sent a letter to his client. Scott. Boras says the most powerful agent in the game represents seventy-one players his agency. This off season negotiated one point two billion with a B.. One point two billion dollars in contracts this off season boroughs recommended today. His clients refuse Major. League Baseball's attempt to cut salaries in an email obtained by the Associated Press Boroughs wrote the player should not alter the terms of their Merch twenty-six agreement with the owners that. That call for the players to reduce their salaries to a pro rated base basis based on a short, a shortened season based on the proposal eighty two games the players on March twenty six agreed to take what would amount to a fifty percent pay cut. They said all right. If we'RE NOT GONNA play one hundred sixty to apply, and we play eighty two. You can pay half our salaries. Borough said today remember games cannot be played without you. That's what he wrote to his clients. Players should not agree to further pay cuts to bail out. The owners lead owners take some of their record revenues and profits from the past several years and pay you. The pro rated salaries you agreed to accept. Owners now what player to take additional pay cuts to help them pay these loans they wanNA, bail out. They're not offering you a share of the stadium Ballpark, villages or club itself, and that's the genesis for most of the argument that Major League Baseball last year was a record industry of ten billion dollars in baseball's turned a profit as a whole sixteen. In the last seventeen years of the owners are asking the players to give up money during tough times, the players will say well when when you were making the profit sixteen in the last seventeen years. You didn't give us any more money. Outside of the agreement we'd already signed. The players will say why don't you? You didn't let us tear up our agreement and give us more money. So why in tough times for you should you ask us to give you? Give up more money because of what's going on. Back to my original point, none of this none of this should be be played out before our very eyes and ears. We should know any of this. If I were Tony Clark the union I would say look. I see one tweet one radio interview one TV interview from any of you. And we've got a problem. Maybe. That's just me Anderson. We go next time you're on seven hundred WWL W. Speaking here. Just, make my point. I was trying to make I agree with you one hundred percent. But baseball owners in baseball players sued enact a gag rule. Okay, yes, and here's why. Forty million unemployed. Hundred thousand dead. Small businesses going out of business every day. People worried about food on their table. We all are baseball. We all love sports, but we don't want to hear your fighting in the public. You're going to turn people off, yes and. Make Them Mad. Yes, Yawn, belief! And on my second point, if I could follow up because that's such a good point because I I think most understand there are things that have to be hammered out and sides don't always agree on initial offers. It's called negotiating, but if that all needs to take place, and we accept it does. You can't play it out in front of us, we just we don't have the stomach the time the patients or interest to put up with any of it. Do it behind you. If you need a yell at each other, yell at each other. Don't let us know yelling at each other. Right? And I'll tell you this My second point is My Small Business is sports related okay? And I knew. When the NBA canceled, their season paused their season that it was over for sports twenty twenty. Okay, now they're. Coming back with no fans, okay. So but I knew that I knew that back in mid March. Why didn't the owners know that when they were negotiating with the player Ch-. You know he should plan for this and you. You made a deal. You know sorry. You get stuck with what you negotiate. Hey, Tom I enjoyed this call again sometime. Thanks, thank you. Yeah, let's in. Again this is this is more the XS and os in the negotiations in my eyes, kind of glaze over, but on March twenty six I. Mean I remember sitting here with the agreement was announced I remember the excitement of my voice. I, said well look this. The owners and players have agreed was march twenty six that night on sports talk and I said. Wow with all its going on Dave agreed. The players and owners have agreed. The players will only be paid for the Games they play. And this proposal was eighty. Two Games for the players have taken a fifty percent pay cut. And now, the owners said well wait a minute. We didn't really didn't mean that because this could be happening. This might happen, and we needed to take more than that. And the players have kinda folded arms instead, and what now you want to do, what we agree, and that goes back to the trust of wait a minute. We both sides agree back on March twenty sixth. But in the bigger picture of all this I shouldn't be talking about this because it shouldn't be a talking point for any of us, it should be like top secret double probation for all of them when they come walking out of the rooms, if members of the media are sitting outside, they walk right past him, and instead of the dropping those lines. Because you know, this is going on look odors, no members of the media players who members of the media. They dropped the information they need to get. Out there to frame the argument to make them look good. None of this needs to be the only time we should see them is when Tony Clark. And, DONALD FEHR DONALD, fear and Rodman. Tony Clark and Rob Manfred an owner representatives were sitting at the same table and the cameras. We go live to the announcement of agreement to play baseball. There should be the first time we see them and the words out of there about the first. We hear from Major League. Baseball should say ladies and gentlemen. It's time to play baseball. Imagine how differently that would be received. If that was the first thing we heard from either side. Up next rules rules enrolls so many sports changing roles, and it drives over people crazy. Are there any rules you'd like changed as we continue. Our and carriers sportstalk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet seven hundred WWL W. The following takes place between seven PM and eight PM. Let's keep moving big starting our number one. Let's roll it into our number. Two eventually will roll Hamlin fit in ear reality. Check from nine to midnight tonight, on the heels of the commencement. A graduation theme you just heard. Let me add this a big day. My my daughter. I as I, say this. It's hard to process that things have moved this quickly. Payton graduated today from Simon Kenton. High School She is now onto Louisville where we're onto level now. The next phase did the drive through graduation as someone who's experienced both the in person at N. que you the Bank of Kentucky Center what's. Facility. Bank of Kentucky having sat through one of those for Casey at what four plus hours Nice but having driven through a forty five minute. Drive through graduation better. Like that a lot, but it was forty five minutes we were in you drove up to the curb. She got out, stood at a little podium with the CAP and gown awed. We got out of the car stood under a little tent, and you took some pictures. Then she moved a few feet over to her right with her principal at another administrator. They handed her diploma. We took pictures of that, and then we were often We were on our way, so and then I said well you. You just graduated from high school where where you go next. And she said let's go to cracker barrel. So a cracker barrel for lunch on graduation day, so very proud of her and love you and. That was that was very cool today, so we are. Now on our way to one who heads into his junior year at UC, in one who heads to her freshman year at Louisville holy cow, and she wound up with a pluses across the board for the year, which clearly is an indicator that she doesn't get any of that. None of me rubs off on her. That is all Kelly. As my as my teachers would tell you what both Carmel. High School and Butler University I was not the a plus type of student. She ran the table with them so very proud of her big day big day all right in the first hour, we we, we did a little exercise that was meant specifically for you. You've read these quotes heard these quotes, the anonymous quotes in old man. This is now getting out in this side, says this. And I thought well what if I just ask you what you would tell the owners and players what the message would be that? That was some pretty good stuff in the first air. Let me this hour number two. If you missed it in the headlines, we talked a little bit about this last night. The NFL the owners have tabled the vote on the fourth and fifth alternative to the onside kick. They said I. We're just not ready to to vote on this. Need some time to let it sink in marinate. Maybe we'll revisit next year. That is out what I find interesting. To the point of making it a topic now. There I think there is a thought that sports as a whole is trying too hard to change things to change the rules. tweak this and tweaking and changing this and changing that. And why don't you just leave the sport alone? That's the sense I get. Rules roles roles change change change. Well. Let me ask you serious question. Is there a rule. You would like to see changed. I can quote you the sport and the rule that you say stop messing. Stop don't do that. I don't need that. Is there something you say now, if you if you really intent on messing with this will change that. I wonder. Because there I get a lot of the pushback because I love those type of I like change. I like the progressive thinking I like. To tweak the game to the point where the excitement level goes up, and the interest is drawn in reach more than the average fan that rubs a lot of traditionalist purist the wrong weight. Stop just stop with your ideas and the silliness. WHY DID NASCAR change this? Why did the NFL have to change this? And why is baseball considering changing that well? Is there something in your mind that you would say? Look if you guys really have to keep messing with things? Why don't you just change this like for me? I think the dropped third strike baseball's while the dumbest rules I've ever heard of a and maybe that's from watching Casey growing up playing. Baseball and the fact that was so hard for little kids in in baseball to throw strikes when they did strike somebody out only to see the third strike. Get past the catcher in the get on base. You just want to like. Throw your hands up at Aaron dropped to the ground and curl up in the fetal position. Really do we really need the dropped third strike rule? Does anybody really think the game is a lot better because if the catcher doesn't hold onto the third strike if it gets passed in that run? This stop! I get rid of that. My biggest pet peeve in sports is the ridiculous NFL rule that says if you're if you're going in for a touchdown, and you fumble the ball through the end zone out the back of the end zone. You lose possession football. It's just it is never made any sense fundamentally. It makes no sense whatsoever that you could be running into the end zone, fumbled the ball, but as you're entering the end zone, it rolls through and out the back in. It's perceived by the NFL rules. Committee is like some cliff in the. The ball fell over the cliff and leg-up tough luck. Other team gets the ball now. When they did nothing to earn, it always said. Why don't you certainly penalized the team for fumbling out of the end zone, but had make it a touchback and put them back on the twenty yard line. Why would you strip them? Possession the ball and give it to the other team when the other team has done nothing to earn possession so I do that and I don't like in the NBA and college basketball guys fouling out. I. Don't like guys picking up a second found going to the bench in the first half. You don't see him again into the second I. Just Make It you know what on the fifth foul or pick your number on the six fouled, bet, college or pro? Pick it on that foul into free throws in the team gets the ball. You're not fouling out of the game. I'm just saying that he always found out. Is that. Make any sense to those are three things I would change. I get rid of the ridiculous dropped third strike in baseball and the ability to. Advance if first base is unoccupied, or if there are two outs and Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. A fumbling out of the back of the end would simply be made okay, that's not good Here's your penalty. You have to take it all the way back to the Twenty Yard Line and NBA College basketball, or not fouling out anymore. When you reach your limit the next. What is then two free throws for the team and the ball, so stop fouling otherwise we're offering the potential of of a five point play is the team gets two free throws, and they get the ball back and they might hit a three. Those who might three I've got one two three four five lines open for that. We'll introduce. That is our second topic tonight five, one, three, seven, four, nine, seven, thousand, one, eight, hundred, the big one pounds, seven, hundred on at and T. people make it clear to me crystal clear. They don't like all the changes to the rules. There has got to be something you would sign off on and nod your head and approval when it comes to the rules of sports, go back to the phones and Covington would go John You on seven hundred wwl w.. Yes, Sir regarding your first topic. Okay. Here's what here's the way. I feel about it. I would tell those guys. Look America has been through. American needs a diversion. And please consider it your patriotic duty. To have a season and that's really all I got to say. That's very well said I appreciate you checking in thanks the words I that would be a powerful message to the players now the the players would probably in some way shape or form answer and say hey, we are all about the this country and the American flag patriotism, and yet business is business and we we are not there shouldn't be viewed as anything different than anybody else in a line of work that is in negotiations with their bosses, and it's a necessity of what needs to happen. This has to happen to get us from where we were tobacco, baseball. and. That really has to operate as an entity to itself over here. Because we it is a business. Y- fans will call it a game, but it's our job and it's a business and things have to be worked out. I think the the biggest thing. Out of all of this, it would be a lot easier to stomach. If. You didn't have to hear it. See it and read it. I think it would help the players even more so because the players you. When's the last time you heard an owner's name attached to anything that came out and yet you know damn well. What is being offered in this equation include stuff from the ownership groups. They will tell the owner of the the media tweet text that reporter. Hey, you know. We're going to do this or they're asking for this or they're doing that and names are ever attached at. When's the last time you saw an owner quoted any of the players, and there's obviously thirty owners, and there's like nine hundred players when it's all said and done so. I understand the dynamic there but I think we all agree I in a time where nobody can -gree agree about any I think we'd all agree. Nobody really wants to hear any party involved. Work on this. We just want the words to come out of your mouth. Like Jimmy, Chitwood and Hoosiers I figure. It's about time I play ball. Seventeen couple lines open. Who to two thoughts on rules soccer? I know you're. You're probably somebody say he's exactly right. Just leave our sports alone. There's gotta be something though back in the deep dark recesses of your phantom somewhere in there say now. If you aren't going to change something, then just go ahead and change that rule. It'd be that for another segment or so sportstalk. Seven eighteen arnelle carriers sportstalk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet seven hundred WWL W. Seven twenty, four seven hundred wliw are carriers for dot presented by Kilson Chevrolet. They have the news at seven thirty five. Wait till you hear what Ohio State basketball coach. Chris Holtman said about the possibilities of UC. Ohio State, Xavier and Dayton playing a yearly tournament. That coming up after the news figure. How about a little college basketball fix for maybe a mini segments? News what we're working on one right now, let's go here in Westchester Hey Jim. Thank God. I'm well. Thanks for calling. got a good one for you man. What about the small booster? Yeah, no more no more foul outs on. Strike, two strikes in foul at your. Yeah, they never white. That doesn't make any sense to me. The. Rudder! Yeah all right I'm GonNa Markdown and thought about that one, but your right as you say you, what? Why should you be? L. Just because you fell off a second? Blunt with two strikes all right I'M GONNA mark. Hey. People to buy more. There Hey Jim I gotta go. Thanks Buddy. Buddy, thank you in here in for me on the circus. Who Was it Anthony Castro Vince wrote a piece recently about the dropped third strike, the history of the dropped third strike. It got me thinking about this. Actually look I'm thinking about. The number of people have made a point of telling me last night. They despise the fourth and fifteen rule and I said, said really that a deal in the end. I mean if the onside kick is successful less than ten percent of the time. I don't understand fighting for the onside kick when you could have an offense, run back out onto the field or run a fourth and fifteen play that to me would seem exciting now. That would be very cool Hamilton. We go, Greg. You're on seven hundred wwl. Yeah this is simple idea with soccer i. know would never change this rule. Maybe it's a new version of soccer, but soccer is always low scoring, and it's a little dangerous hits your head the ball especially with children I would love to see them play. Soccer with your hands that. Like boxing boxing gloves on. Kick. You can't carry the ball. You just have to smack. But before would be a lot higher and you would be hitting the head. He just smacking. You can't catch it relatively just just mack well if you want more scoring. I'd rather I'd make the nets bigger before I put Mitts on their hands. I think it'd be fun to watch little kids kicking MAC and I. I'm. GonNa mark this down kicking and macking. All right soccer fans have just passed out there. Say Don't touch my sport. At Clermont County one, two, three, four lines, five, one, three, seven, four, nine, seven, thousand, one, eight, hundred, the big one and pound, seven, hundred on a t and t, the question is simply as much as you may be opposed to rule changes in general in messing with your sport. There must be one or two. You'd say all right if you must. Could we at least change get rid of this one clermont? County we go Steve You were on seven hundred WWL W. I never played soccer coach but my kids. they went on to higher leagues. and I've watched. You know You know some college. Some you know Olympic The the worst thing I think about proctor is the off. Oh yes. Yes, yes. Many times during my daughter's soccer tournaments, I'd be like running down the sidelines to keep my view of of where the ball was where the defender was easy. You'RE GONNA. Call it onsides offsides once a it. It's frustrating and it's confusing and I'm for making everything much easier to understand yeah. Confusing. And less your parallel yes. Yes. I I'm writing that one down. Thanks Dave. Right. Away I'm John Flashing to Kelly would tell you. Perhaps Payton's coach would tell you all. Yes, there was. A run down the sidelines, trying to get parallel to try to judge offsides or not. John on twitter I get rid of illegal motion in football and false starts. Do whatever you want until the ball is snapped. Right. ME. Let me go here, Steve! You're on seven hundred W W. Good Steve Wait a minute. Is this these Steve Molar and it's great to hear you have A. You have an idea or suggestion I absolutely. My daughter-in-law played on the. National Championship soccer team. Yeah, and never been a big fan, but when I heard the gentleman call about. Boxing gloves I, told her this repeated. That's the best way that I would watch. Soccer is if they set up. Set it up like a billiard table when they hit goals on all four corners own. Field and play with. See now what you're doing is you're GonNa make this suggestion. Then you're going to hang up and you'RE GONNA. Let me deal with the fall. It is great to hear Your Voice I. Hope You're well and thanks for calling tonight. Pay One one final thing. This is up one of our board. Members for the greater. Cincinnati basketball fame just just passed away at. Ninety nine years old redwood, a graduate of Walnut Hills went to Kentucky played for eight. Of Rope, Eddie what they're six foot four. And When. He became a sophomore. He was behind Frank Susie. He decided to transfer any transferred to university. Affect us. And my first year over the affects about locking all lake and I see this huge fan who's now grown to six times walking down the hallway. I understand there's a Yankee down this hallway conscious. That would be me. You know do some self and country against some unmarked Bryce who's now the Z.? Hey, you guys. Don't kill anyway. I wanted I just pay tribute to celebrate. All that he's done for basketball and what a great gentleman he was! Know against break. I'm glad you did thoughts and certainly to his family. Steve I really appreciate your listening I'm glad you called. Take Care A. Soccer thing now. Out that get to work on it. Thanks Dave all right. Take you right. Let's check news when we come back Ohio, states coach talking about Ucla Ohio State Xavier and Dayton in a basketball tournament all ahead on. Arno carrier sportstalk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet seven hundred wwl w John's. Seven thirty eight seven hundred wwl W this carrier sportstalk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet Arnelle carriers, your global transportation provider visit our C. Dot Com and Kelsey chevrolets open for sales and service with a new state of the Art Collision Repair Center and it's coming in July I've seen the Stages or I guess midway point stages. Maybe getting closer to the end it is a sweet looking facility all right looks at this into the mix in this hour and heck, we haven't talked college basketball in a while, and this would impact ultimately one two, three four. To six different fan bases so i. thought what if we may be carved out a segment where we could react to this, there is a podcast college basketball podcast. It is mark, titus and tape, Frazier, Titus and Tate College, basketball. And I had this past along last night by a listener who listen the iheartradio APP in Charleston South Carolina. Think the name Suri. H. O. are sure so sure if you're listening, thank you for listening to thanks for the pass along. Because I had missed this, they talked recently I think this was last week. With Chris Holtman the head coach of the Ohio State Basketball Program. Listen to his response to the idea of you. See Ohio State. Xavier and Dayton playing in a yearly basketball weekend, the answer to what Indianapolis does with the crossroads classic here on Titus and Tate is Buckeye coach Chris Coghlan. I get asked about this all the time. Will there ever be a day where Ohio State Xavier Cincinnati Dayton played double header the four schools in Indian well listen. He's like he's like. Let's go back to the transfer. Let's talk about. This topic. Over. Here I think we're at the point right now. Where we're getting enough people that have interested in in in in happening I, do think. Will. Happen in the next couple years. We're interns. It's other teams in tournaments, but I think there's enough wishful. This that happened guys that I could see essentially, and it may not be in two. Thousand, twenty, three or two thousand and four David Will. You know while. His push this for years. She's our operation. I will tell you we have approach. In the last year and a half we've approached the other institution summer onboard. I think most will be onboard of it's. It's on US probably to find a date. And then we have agreed on location to, and that's a little bit of all right now. We are going BRIANNA location, because we know there's some really passionate basketball fans among lake on. That's a little bit of a herd of. We gotTA figure out. Your. Date will not leave date. Is. That that's his lawyer saying we're not planning unless it's in Columbus all those other schools. are going to be very upset about that Chris Holman last week on the tightest and Tate podcast. Let's let's get into that. Let's kick that around a little bit, because I have done this as a topic every year come is December usually that tournament takes place in Indianapolis at bankers. Life fieldhouse. I you purdue Notre Dame Butler they. Never play each other in the event because they play each other in the in the in the big ten. Obviously, but they rotated every year. They've done that for upwards of a decade I think it's a fantastic showcase for the state of Indiana, as Chris, Holtman laid out the possibilities of Ohio state UC, Xavier and Dayton being in this. Obviously, you see your wouldn't play each other in the rotation because they play each other as part of the annual crosstown shootout now. Let's deal with the roadblock. The perceived and I think the reality the roadblock is. Xavier does not WANNA play Dayton. From, all indications has no interest inclination. Nothing towards playing Dayton at any point. Doesn't feel the need to. And, so that prompted a an email I got last night in this combo email from Suri who said look if if if Xavier doesn't WANNA. Be a part of this because they don't WanNA play Dayton. We don't need Xavier game? And, so he said. Why wouldn't you just do you see Ohio State? They've shown a willingness to play. Each other already uses shown a willingness and Louisville's show willingness to play each other Kentucky and Ohio state have shown a willingness to play each other. They'd been matched up in that CBS sports classic. What to the last three years or so somewhere around that he said. Why wouldn't you just move on from? Xavier and do you see Ohio? State Kentucky and Louisville and make it. Your annual border game matchup called the Buckeye bluegrass border battle. He says. Don't don't tell me CBS or ESPN would want to televise it. Is You've got the relationships from at least three parts of that to make it work now in in people, I talked to today and reached out for some background. They said well understand that'd be great, but I'm saying you have have to make it worthwhile for Kentucky to be involved with this and include UC! Kentucky already plays level, so that wouldn't be part of the series, but if you're talking about a rotation of the the border battle where you see, Play Louisville one year and Kentucky the next year, and then it goes back to Louisville the next year, Kentucky the next year. That means Kentucky would play. Ohio State and Kentucky would play you see it means logo would play you see in Ohio state if you're going to do all that, you have to give Kentucky a reason to include you see in the tournament. And a day and age with everybody involved in holiday tournaments. You're you don't have as many you're playing more conference games and a lot of cases, so you have fewer non conference games You want to build in your cushion to help for the NCAA tournament, so there's not a lot of opportunities for Non Conference Games, so you'd have to convince you. It would be worth their wile that you see as described to me. You see what have enough juice enough cachet to make UK say alright will be a part of this every year and every other year. We would willingly play you see. What? What do you? What do you think? Five, one, three, seven, four, nine, seven, thousand, one, eight, hundred, the big one pound, seven hundred Aud at and T.. Pick your name. The the Ohio River border classic the Buckeye Bluegrass Border Classic. Doesn't really matter what you call it. I know what I think I. Know what it would mean for a network whether it's CBS or ESPN. I think I know what it would mean for the fan bases of. You See Louisville. Kentucky and Ohio! State, can you hear me now? At Five, one, three, seven, four, nine, seven, thousand, one, eight, hundred, the big one pound, seven, hundred on at and T. The in fact. Let me if you're a UC fan. What would you make of this? If you're a Louisville Fan I, couldn't tell you the last time I heard from a Louisville. Fan, but what would you make this? Buckeye fans wildcat fate. Let me approach this. If you're a wild cat fan, I would be most interested in your thoughts on this. Because by conversations I had today. Your program is the one that would need the most convincing to do something like this. You know what Kentucky does. They take on all comers. Play a heavyweight non conference schedule. Could. You be convinced as a Kentucky Fan to say? Yeah, we'll be a part of this and you know once. Every two years will play you see even though they're not a power five. Do. They have enough juice. To, have you entertain the idea? Well find out when we continue because I'll take some calls on that. Ready, five, one, three, seven, four, nine, seven, thousand, one, eight, hundred, the big one pound, seven, hundred on at and T., and it's not to dismiss what Chris Hoffman said is the original idea of you see Ohio? State Xavier Dayton. It's just I think everybody would tell you. Either privately or the record everybody involved would say there is no chance in hell. That Xavier's ever gonNA schedule Dayton again. So I took kind of that out of the equation and went with email. WHO said well? Why not just do the Buckeye bluegrass mortgage classic? I would almost pay for that opportunity. Because I know that what that would mean for me from a topic standpoint, and if you give me something that involves and engages UC fans with Kentucky Fans with Louisville. Fans with Ohio state fans. I mean. If Chris Mack and John. Brennan have already said we'll play each other in Kentucky and Ohio state have already thought okay. No big deal, we'll play each other. What's wrong with the setup on a rotating basis, we'll continue. Seven forty seven sports talk Arnelle carrier sportstalk presented by Kissy Chevrolet seven hundred wwl wliw. Heading down the stretch our number to get your news in seven minutes. About an hour from now we'll do on this date and reds. His then gamble infinity reality. Check in the house tonight. They will take you nine to midnight. The other question that was raised during this conversation earlier today was all right. If you do this Buckeye bluegrass border, classic word, you play the Games and I saw you know it's. It's not like there's an obvious like one spot in Ohio and one spot in Kentucky, so you would in all likelihood have to rotate this and you'd be at fifth third one, but that Saturday. A, Saturday in November or December at fifth third arena for the the Buckeye bluegrass border battle. And then the Um Center, and then Rupp, and then the shot in state, and and imagine imagine that appeal on a national scale, but what had have enough appeal in enough juice for Kentucky to say Yeah we can. We can fit that into the Naga. We're willing to to make that. A PART OF OUR NON conference schedule once every other year to take on the cats that is explained to me by all parties I talked to. They said that's that's your. Hang up in the convincing point because you see in Louisville of already said we'll play and Kentucky. State already do play each other so. You'd have to convince Kentucky, it would be worth their while go back to the phones. Then note I forgot about from earlier about what the Texas governor said today, but in a let me wrap this up from our previous topic in Dayton Dave. You're on seven hundred WWL W. Hey Lance how you doing. I'm well. Thanks for calling. Forgetting me on when you mentioned something about rules changes. But we'd like to see the first thing that popped in my head was the NFL pass interference. Shouldn't should not be more than fifteen yards. When they drives me crazy when these teams, yes, through forty fifty yard passes, and there's a cast on her parents, and they moved the ball half the field. Yes, you give him give them a first down, but make it fifteen yards, not the distance covered on the battle. Make it a spot foul. Exactly just do like to. Do, so there you go. I'M GONNA put that on the list. Dave, I'm glad you're listening I certainly appreciate your call. Have a great night PERSI- check in. You know I'm looking at the see. This was the setup last year and this was December twenty first. They do this in Indianapolis. Indianapolis, and that's where they honestly the jealousy is for what college basketball means around here I think the crossroads classic has now taken place I think this will be the tenth consecutive day or the event I think and it's bankers fieldhouse. Perfect place for a showcase event and the state of Indiana gets Kinda of puff out. It's just and say four this Saturday and that's I think both those games are CBS Games, are they? Not I believe Butler Indiana, Notre, Dame and purdue. This past year Indiana took on Notre Dame. Butler took on do. If if they could do it, and it's one of those they can do. Why why why can't we do it? Now in the in the true sense of an Ohio version that you would need Xavier and Dayton to somehow work out being able to play each other and again. It doesn't appear that going to be the case. But. And every time we bring this up, we talk about well. then. Where is it going to be played? If what is it called now? Heritage Bank arena was in better shape. Be Perfect, neutral site downtown Cincinnati, the epicenter give each school twenty five percent of the tickets. Or the I guess you could rotate it fifth third CINTAS value. City arena ud arena. All men imagine a Saturday in December you. D Arena with the Ohio version of that. Now as I, said Indiana, purdue was big ten teams, don't they? They meet during the conference, so they don't play in this crossroads classics, so you do the same with with see and Xavier since they meet in the crosstown shootout. You would just rotate around that, and that always gets into the whole idea of you could expand the fuel beyond that I just like showcase events, and a about a chance to show your pride and offer up the rest of the country. What you've got an if that's if that's not going to include because the conflict. Would Dayton than you me? Ohio Kentucky on a Saturday. When we're Thurston for big things and matchups to high, School Ohio Schools to Kentucky schools and There's a lot of blue blood flow and match ups like that that would be fantastic I mentioned this off the top of the headlines. At honestly, I forgot to I forgot to do more of a segment on this, and maybe we'll do it tomorrow night. Related to the reds. The Texas Governor Today Greg Abbott, announced that fans will be allowed at outdoor sporting events in Texas with limited occupancy so that we're. We're talking for baseball purposes. That's obviously the rangers and Astros, and he has limited the crowds to twenty five percent. So a couple of questions that came out of that one. How does Major League? Baseball handle will if if Texas teams in Texas can have fans. What is baseball do if some states allow fans and other states, don't allow fans almost would seem like it has to be all or nothing. Either everybody has fans or nobody has fans. More specifically, I started running the numbers great American ballpark capacity. Just say for argument's sake. Ohio said all right. We're GONNA copy that plan. great, American Ballpark in Paul Brown can open at twenty five percent capacity. Great, American is forty, two, thousand, three, nineteen, twenty, five percent capacity would be ten, thousand, five, seventy nine. I looked up. They were four games last year. The reds played below that it attendance, but ten, thousand, five seventy nine gives you your season ticket holders than a couple of thousand tickets, maybe per game for individual game sales, but in the bigger picture I I don't know how be curious to know what the answer would be well. What if one state says they can do it at other states around Major, League. Baseball, can't certainly you're not going to have. The Houston Astros player the Texas Rangers. Rangers play at home crowds for their forty home games while other teams can't play any simply from a monetary standpoint of the Rangers being able to you know, pile up some money when we come back Mike Corsey is the hall of Fame College Basketball Writer for the Sporting News. He wrote a column last week about FC. Cincinnati new coach, I don't want to ask you about FC. Cincinnati new coach I. Do want to ask you about the idea of great players being great coaches from this standpoint. What's the Best Combo you can think of? That's been offered up. In terms of the best combination of a great player who was also a great coat, I can have a whole lot of instances where great players miserable coaches I give you instances where guys were miserable players, or maybe didn't even play. That became outstanding coaches. But which one rises to the highest level? In a combination. That will look into as we continue. Our carrier sportstalk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet seven hundred WWL W. The following takes place between eight PM nine PM. Go. We are already here. Here would be our number. Three eight ten on seven hundred wwl W sportstalk. Arnelle carriers sportstalk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet Lance McAlister I. Really appreciate you making some time to hang out tonight. If you missed any of the early portions of the show, always available in podcast form, you can find that at seven hundred wwl W dot com. Just look on the podcast button. Click it little. Little Drop Down Window, pick my name or you can do it through the iheartradio APP, and I have my own podcast page just type in my name through the iheartradio. APP, and it pulls up every show and every interview all right in this hour I like pieces that make me think and Mike because he is one of the finest writers I've ever read and what I enjoyed about the piece he wrote. was about ten days or so ago, it was not about college basketball. He's a hall of fame, College. Basketball writer, but he wrote about FC Cincinnati is hiring Yop stom- and this topic isn't about FC Cincinnati and it's not about your stom-. But from his piece, I started thinking. I've always been intrigued by who who was good at combining both worlds, the road of the great player transitioning into the world of the great coach, because that can be hard and Mike, the paragraph that really got me and said well. That's a topic one night. Mike wrote in North America. We've been conditioned to believe being an all time. Great player means little relative to one's ability to successful successfully right a team. Bill Belichick never played in the NFL. The Toronto Raptors coach Nick Nurse Played One season of professional basketball in England. Only three of the past thirty coaches to win the NC Double A. Tournament in basketball even played in the NBA. A pointed out magic. Johnson lasted sixteen games as an NBA coach. One of the greatest players of all time sixteen games as a coach Wilt Chamberlain one of the greatest players of all time. Lasted a single season as a coach. Ty Cobb never managed a team that finished higher than second. Pete rose manage the reds to five consecutive second-place finishes. He wasn't bad. He just isn't what I'm looking for. In terms of ultimately the question I'm asking Ted Williams had a losing record as a manager and there's always that thought that. The greats have a tough time. Articulating what work? For the or the expectations of it came. Didn't necessarily come easy to them, but they knew what it talk and they couldn't understand. It got frustrated like. Why can't you do it like I did it? And they had trouble communicating their greatness to players. So often found myself thinking all right if if we were to. If. We were to pick that player. Who best represents best player who became like? Great player great coach. I don't know maybe maybe very good player became a very good coach I'm just looking for the guy who who offers the Mo the highest at each level. Because I can give you sparky Anderson. It wasn't a very good player. Hell of a coach. Manager. I can give you guys who have done one and we're miserable at the other. What I'm wondering is who would you consider to be the best? At both. Let me give you a name. I just tweeted. That came to mind when i read Mike's Piece. Joe Torry. Joe Torry as a player was a nine time all-star. He wanted gold glove. He wanted MVP. Won a batting title. RBI title. Two hundred and fifty two homers. Over twenty three hundred hits over eleven hundred RBI is. Oh by the way to time manager of the year four time world series champion as a manager six World Series appearances twenty three hundred wins fifth most in the history of baseball. I guess that's where I'd set the bar. Who can give me? Can you give me somebody who matches or exceeds each category? Player coach? Now I don't think anybody would argue Joe Tori was great, so maybe maybe this is the best combination of very good for argument's sake I'm just looking for the match at the highest level. You understand what I'm saying. Let me give you phone line. If you do five, one, three, seven, four, nine, seven, thousand, one, eight, hundred, the big one pound, seven, hundred on at and T. They could do it at a high level on each side of things I'll give you another one. Mike Ditka. By, the way, do Tories a hall of Famer Mike Ditka Hall of Famer as a player. He was a rookie of the. He was a five time pro bowler. He had over four hundred catches. He's in the hall of fame. He's got a super bowl ring as a player. He's got a super bowl ring as a coach. He's got a super bowl ring as an assistant coach. In fact, he's got two. Super Bowl rings as a player. So that's that's pretty high up there on the rankings. His accomplishments not as high as Tory from a manager or coach. augie one. How about this? It's kind of like you say I say you play at Ucla at I played. Carrie combs just text in and said Forrest Gregg. I wrote that down. Great minds think alike in fact, carry combs put an exclamation point back at the end of Forest Gregg I wrote down notes today on Forrest Gregg nine time pro bowler three championships is a player, a hall of Famer. As a coach took the Bengals to the Super Bowl multiple coaching stops. That's not bad. He's going in our team. Picture of what do we call it? Dual dual playing coaching greatness again. Maybe great I just been asking on twitter. Do you consider Dusty Baker? Great I wouldn't consider him great, but he's somebody I'm looking for that. That's that would go on the categories. Well, because dusty was a couple of time all star player, he won a gold glove. He WanNa ring. He was a National League Championship series MVP also a three time manager, the year one over eighteen hundred aims. What everywhere went. See I i. think there's something here, clearly. Kerry combs agrees because he's listening in texting his answers. Who else. Might have been a decent as a player, but they became great as a man. I'm looking for somebody. WHO's bar gets pushed up there in both categories where you're thinking. That bar is set pretty high for category. I give full credit to Mike the Corsi for sparking this idea what he wrote about. Tom By the way the original point umbrellas FC Cincinnati higher fantastic player, I mean a fantastic reputation. Hard nosed tough as nails. What will be at FC Cincinnati? Don't know we're about to find out. He's managed another stops. I love the the bill belichick on on one side never played in the NFL, arguably the greatest NFL coach of all time sparky Anderson. Probably sparky Anderson's lifetime batting average probably around two ten one of the greatest managers of all time. Nick Nurse One, an NBA title with the Raptors in played one season in England Who Makes Your List Andrew Tom Scott John Billy Dennis John Richard. Take a timeout like carry text me some other candidates now. Tom Gamble chief is texting me so I must have hit on something. Clearly I took a big swing and a miss on the basketball topic in the in the previous segment. I almost invested like a top of the topic in the college basketball, so I thought to myself well, how can you lose if you drawing UC? Ohio State Kentucky and Louisville for that level of conversation after Chris. Houghton floated the idea and I just took a gigantic swing and miss. Go back to the dugout on that I may have hit on something. We'll get into your calls next talk. Carriers sportstalk presented by Kelsey. Chevrolet, seven hundred W W. Jones plumbing. Right I'm. Traffic Cop right now. I'm looking at I'm looking tweets. This question I'm looking at. Rains during this question, Tom Gambles ever text me this many times in one day, Todd Jones, texting me one of the great writers in the history of Cincinnati Kentucky sports over the years. Kerry combs is texting me. I Tom Jones. I agree on one I just tweeted about Lenny Wilkens. Letting Wilkins. A Hall of Famer I spelled his name wrong I shouldn't have done that. Sixteen points a game. Seven assists per game as a player nine time all-star, thirteen, hundred and thirty two wins as a coach, he had a ring ring as a coach, and at one point upon his retirement was the all time leader in wins in NBA history. I don't I. Don't know it'd be a stretch to say. He wasn't on like the fifty greatest players of all time list so. He would be really good. Player great coach that that's pretty good. That's getting up near the top on both those categories. I tweeted Lou. Pinella Lou. Pinella was a rookie of the year. It was an all star. The playing numbers underrated. The play numbers a little bit light compared to manage your manager that you're three times. You want to ring one eight hundred nine hundred Games Heke at one hundred sixteen wins season with the Mariners, he had a ninety seven win season with the cubs yet ninety one season with the Yankees I'm GonNa guys won ninety four games with three different teams that leads us the dusty. Dusty had success along those lines I'll give you. Another one. Getting old school one. Well. Have you been what Tom Gamble offer me before he walks into building Phil Jackson. Now fill is a player lesser as a player, certainly because it's hard to. It's hard to equate to winning eleven, championships, coach, but coach Eerie Levin Nba Rings as a coach. One a ring as a player nineteen seventy-three Knicks. I would I would say fiddle was a what. What do we say good player? I wouldn't go so far as to say very good player could fills a little bit beat before my appreciation so I'd say good player great coach. I get somebody who moves their scale up to more. Even let's Let's go here all well. Let me get some support here because I don't like stealing his candidate, but I think he can back me up on this. At least in great minds think alike in Oxford John Lenny Wilkins, make sense. Does any man I'll tell you what I remember. When I was a little kid, he was a baller. And then you know with that seventy already supersonic team I. think that won the NBA title Yes. When like seventy six or something maybe? JAKSIC Melissa. Jack Sick. That would have been a DJ. Dennis Johnson on that team right correct and I'll share. There was another guy maybe Paul Silence Oh. Walked what Lance I got another basketball guy for you think it could be the greatest Combo player coach in history. College Basketball John Wooden? Oh Don. Wouldn't it was the greatest player? Of his time at purdue, I believe all American, absolutely, yeah, yeah, in peace at a lot of records in the big ten and and then you know, of course the rest is history bank plan. Thank you I liked that. Learn all these different names popping up here. How `bout I hesitate to use? I'll give you one I'll give you one. Where I did my initial list. I didn't want my thought. Wait a minute. How did I leave Doc rivers off? Because Doc, rivers is a player heck of a player. In all star. made the playoffs as a coach student still coaching, NBA tidal coach of the year. But DOC was a I'd say. Really good player. I wouldn't call Doc rivers a great player. Though would we call him a great coach dough all that? Doing with my hands I'm doing kind of a slide scale here with my hands tried to to balance out the guy who moves up to the top close enough in in both of those. How `bout here in. Cellphone Chad. You're on seven hundred wwl, W and I. Don't know if you look at his back. A. Mba Champion as a player. Jersey was retired parking Kentucky. Unanimous tired of the Year of course, NBA got multiple ranges second year. Pat Riley Oh yeah. Yeah. He's a five time champions. It's three time catch here. He's only executive here. And then like I said if you look at his stats playing 'cause numbers retired Kentucky was sec of the year was the first American thirteen American, and you also want to bring Clare Stuff. I mean. That's not bad, not bad Chad. Thank you, Chad. You sit something now. I have to consider because he's including Kentucky because my initial thought on Pat Riley was as a player he was. He was okay. He was a role player. Pat For his career average seven points in the NBA, but if we haven't set up the parameters, so you get to decide to parameters if we include college which. Is. Not Fair game, obviously, then that changes things Todd Jones still texting away Frank Robinson he offers. I've got Todd Jones and Kerry combs and and Tom. We do we can do like a zoom tonight. Me Todd Jones Kerry combs and top gamble on zoom, throwing out names at arguing about their greatness, so if we did the college angle on this as a player, then that changes the dynamics of all of this and I would be remiss if I went to the break without. Larry, Bird. Because, Larry Bird I need to make his case as a college player or an NBA player. It certainly stands on its own Larry. Bird won coach of the year. Larry Bird. One executive of the year now might parameters is coach manager, not front office guy necessarily, but he took a, he took a team to the NBA finals. Did he not so? That's pretty good Todd Jones. Now sending me emojis of thumbs up with a beer, so now makes me want to have a beer. We can do a zoom tonight. The four of us while drinking beer. How about that? Andrew Scott Diane and Richard. How did all this start? All all I give full credit to might to Corsi because he wrote about FC Cincinnati is coach, and the idea of how we're conditioned to believe in North America all great players me an all time. Great player means little in terms of the relation to their ability to be successful as a coach or a manager. You can be outstanding how you play the game. It doesn't necessarily translate to being outstanding and how you coach or manage the game, so I've always thought well, then who would we consider the best match for that category? We'll take some more calls we continue. Our national carriers sportstalk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet on seven hundred w out of you. Eight thirty, seven, seven, hundred wwl wjr now. Carriers sportstalk presented by Kelsey. AAA ME. Talk at Chee Hallway during the break and I'm going back and I'm texting with Carrie. Everybody's all worked up over. This topic turned out to be a much better topic that I envisioned. I love all the different names. I'll give you one. Let me flash your back this an old school, Tommy, Heinsohn the Celtic great as a player, average nineteen points and eight rebounds, a game, one eight rings a player. He was rookie of the year. Then, he was coach of the year and coached the Celtics to to NBA titles. So, rookie of the year six time, All Star, one eight rings is a player and averaged nineteen points a game, then as a coach won two titles with the Boston Celtics not bad for Tommy Heinsohn. Let me, give you. Tom Game will mention this name, and I WANNA go to Lebanon a double up on it and get some input on Scott who has a candidate, Scott, you're on seven hundred wwl. They are anti. You Know Hey. I'm great. Thanks for calling. So not one that was ever a great player, but if you look at overall titles, how about the her? Oh, I like how you presented that. Because you're right, he wasn't a. he wasn't like a star and all star or even regular, but he was one of the best shooters in the history of the game he won rings in the game with the Bulls obviously, and then he's obviously racked up rings in the NBA is a coach with the Golden State Warriors only one to what the Spurs so. That's I forgot about the Spurs. Yeah, five playing three coach in and not done yet. and. Putting him in the conversation. I, started thinking about him after watching electing. Yeah, absolutely good call and that Hey Scott. Thanks for calling buddy. Thanks for listening I. Have a have a good night. I'll give you another one I thought of. He wasn't. He wasn't a great player, so I'm adjusting the scale. He's in the conversation. He's not at the top of our list. is probably a tear or two down. He won two rings as a player. He was a I'm going to say. Good I'm not gonNA. Say Very Good I. You know what I'll say pretty good. He was pretty good player. And won a world series as a manager and two time manager of the year. And Norm Charlton blew him up at home plate. Mike Socia-. At least has to be in the mix. He's not at the top of the list, but he's in our conversation for guys. You have to say Oh yeah. Wasn't an all star player certainly. But. Played on winning teams and then. Managed winning teams all right. How about here and this would be Mt Healthy Diet your seven hundred wwl w. Dante from Good. I've got to four years, yeah! The baseball right That's National League American League. said. About Martin. Who Billy Martin's scrappy baseball player. Yankees even played to the red zone bed all right. He was an all star. We'll say. Boy Certainly, manager yeah. Eh What are naturally Tommy lasorda timeliness when I would have to look. At the top of my head. I think he was a pitcher as clear I don't remember how good he was. Patriot I will look that up. All right. Hey, thanks for the call, appreciate checking a little bit noise in the background. There I'm GonNa look you know billy. Martin is a player. Was He was an okay player? He was a one time. All Star hit two fifty seven for his career, certainly feisty scrappy in the same way as a manager. Who is if he wasn't fighting people who are getting fired by George Steinbrenner but I'm gonNA. pull up I'M GONNA say that Tommy Lasorda wasn't that. Good of Pitcher and I'm GonNa say maybe he was more I. Don't WanNa say, Cup, coffee, type, player, but I'm scrambling his I type it certainly as a manager, no question. Tommy LASORDA. Player for his career. Yeah, there, you go. Pitched three seasons, and never won a game in the major leagues he was Oh for four Oh and four with a six forty eight earned run average, so I'm going to knock him down towards the bottom of our list of guys who were Major. We'll put him in the category of he made it to. The Majors Anne one titles as a manager, but he's not moving up higher analyst. Beyond that let me go to Centerville, let me stop here with Richard on seven hundred. WWL W I Richard. To the show, thank you. Let's say let's talk about Bart Starr. You know you intrigue me with that one. Enough I saw that up on the board I looked up his career. I will admit I was surprised. He coached nine seasons and Bert. Star had one winning season as a coach, so maybe we knock him a little bit down for that, but as a player had no question about that. Yes. Is? beat the bears and the Vikings all. I love that that is a great answer I won't accept that answer and enter it into evidence. I think calling Richard Thank you have a great night. Yeah, that's. I, like that, because on the surface he is. He was twenty four games under five hundred is a coach. Fifty to seventy, six and three is one winning season was nineteen seventy eight, but you beat the bears. You score a lot of points if you're fan of the packers, and if you beat the packers, score a lot of points if you're fan of the bears kind of how it works. Let's see. Let me go here. Outlets see. I know I know what he accomplishes. A certainly is a as a player on on multiple levels. Let me go to Milford Billy. You're on seven hundred WWL W. Yeah when I, heard you question news. Two guys automatic became in my mind from south. With the first guy I wasn't sure about the credibility of this coaching, and the second guy was unsure about his credibility player. Right I guy thought of being Chelsea. What about Bill Russell, being best defensive basketball player have all marcy with player manager player coach for South because I. Don't remember. Many coach Seattle. Coach I'm not sure if. That's a great question and I'm looking up the same thing because I know as a player coach with the Celtics. He WanNA title. I'm trying to remember what he did in Seattle but I mean heck. Any conversation begins with Bill Russell automatically goes to the fact he won. What he won eleven, rings, or a ridiculous number rings, and he won one as a anti, was the first African American head coach in the NBA. He Won. A ring is a player coach, so he's got a. that's a pretty good resume to work from what this guy? I'm not sure credibiity of playing. I'm assuming being Celtic Fan. He was a good. Man but I know. He coach really well with the Milwaukee Bucks. What about down now? Don Nelson's a really good one. Yet me and I think the Celtics. Guys who went on to co including Larry Bird how about that tree of great players or good players who went on to be very good to great coaches? That's that's not bad. That's not bad at all. Appreciate Toyota used to talk to long long time ago Kit for mill for then I stopped calling because it was always hard to stand above for a long time, but I really like shown I. Listen To you every night and Nice to talk to. You made my night I'm so glad you called a call back again sometime all right? Good night. Thank you use well. I just looked at bill. Russell I should I should no more of this I i. just don't, but as a coach won two titles. If what I'm looking at is correct as a player was, he was he a player coach with the Celtics for three seasons. I didn't realize it was actually three seasons. At the thing of this bill. Russell coach played and coached the Celtics Age thirty, two, thirty, three, thirty four. NBA Champion in the sixty seven sixty eight season, then sixty, eight, sixty nine season later coach, what four years later was the coach of the Sonics Supersonics at the time for one, two, three, four, one, two four seasons and coach, Sacramento, for season, did not have tremendous success after leaving the Celtics over five hundred a couple of times, but that strong I, didn't realize he was a player coach on to Nba Championship but somebody drew a somebody draw up the playing and coaching tree of Celtics. Completely forgot about Don Nelson. Good one all right, we'll head down. The stretch will squeeze in on this date in reds history in squeeze in some more your calls I hope I'll try. Eight forty six Arnelle carriers sports doc presented by Kelsey, Chevrolet seven hundred WWL W. Thank. You. All right, let's do this every night at this time. Take a trip back in time on this date in reds, history. To go back to eighteen hundred early mornings on this date one thousand nine Hundred League Park in Cincinnati destroyed by fire in the main grandstand and parts of the pavilion. In fact, the fear was it was going to spread two houses on Finley St. the clubhouse was destroyed along with uniforms, gloves, shoes and bats. The reds went on the road for seven games in June, and they built a new grandstand. And went back to playing baseball this date nineteen, thirty five forty year old babe. Ruth takes himself out of the game at crosby field. He stumbled twice nearly falling down. Trying to navigate, Terrasson left field. He had a limp and. It wasn't the prettiest scenes at Crosby feel the reds won that day two days later Babe Ruth Played His final game. Admitting his legs just couldn't take playing the game anymore. This nineteen fifty-three reds and cardinals play to a ten ten tie after ten innings at Crossley a field, why? The cardinals had a train to catch to St Louis because we gotta go. This date one thousand, nine, hundred sixty two Joey J., reds, pitcher drives in four runs with a home run two doubles, then survives a five run ninth by the Astros, who were making their first ever appearance across the field, and he gets the win in a nine six win over Houston that day, nineteen, sixty four, the reds dodgers. Play into the seventeenth thinning the score tied to. And the game was called on account of the curfew. The Nationally League rule at the time was in any could not begin after twelve fifty am. Jim Maloney had pitched eleven and a third innings in his start that night. Let's go to nineteen, sixty nine and his date Lee may ties a major league record. He hit six home runs in three games. He hit two in the game against the pirates on this date at Crossley field, he would thirty eight for the season go thousand, nine, hundred seventy one reds over the astros, one nothing at riverfront in thirteen innings. The reds used to pitchers. Don Gullit started in the first ten clay. Carroll finished the final three nineteen eighty-one on this date Johnny Bench slides into second base and breaks his ankle at Riverfront Stadium. He was hitting three forty three at the time. He was playing a lot of first base because Dan Driessen was slowing. Recovering from wrist surgery bench would return in September wound up playing just fifty two games on the season his fewest since his season. This date two thousand five reds retire sparky Anderson's number ten in filing this date, two thousand and ten Samll cure starts for the reds six sittings of to run baseball. They beat the Astros. Fifteen to six johnny. goalms four hits a home. Run Drew Sutton member him drew. Sutton hit a grand slam for the reds happening on this date in reds history. I don't know I remember stuff like this, but I'm pretty sure drew. Sutton was acquired for Jeff clevinger. The reds traded Jeff Clevinger to the Astros to get drew sutton. If I remember correctly if I don't buy Guy Stephen. SHERP will fill in the blanks on things. It have fallen through the cracks in my mind Let's go here. Lebanon now this is this is a good one. I'm going to defer to the caller because I couldn't tell you what kind of the extent of his playing career. Oil Okay. No, he's gone. Let me go Let me go here in Indiana. The caller was going to mention. George Halas Papa Bear. Man You're talking to playing career That's early nineteen hundreds, and then you're. You're talking at that point. He would have been playing for like The Decatur Staley's probably who later became the Chicago bears. Here are just pulled it up, also played the Hammond all stars and the Chicago Stam's steams. I can't tell you much about the playing career. Of Papa, bear can certainly speak at length about what he did for the game as a as a coach. Absolutely, let's go here though in Indiana Chris, you're on seven hundred WWL W. Like the offer, maybe a couple of old school baseball guys. Rauscher Leo own. All right now we're talking all right, not an offensive player, but a pretty solid guy has a player absolutely. NFL Obviously. House hang out. Yeah. He was a he was a three time all star and got MVP votes in a couple of seasons aright. One other one maybe again that this before I'll start Gareth very old, but Philadelphia as whole cutting. Wow, yeah. If player I guess in terms of what they say how place looks. At a lot of new things to the position. That's all. I had offer that as well done, I appreciate the contributions. have been thank you for checking in. Yeah, defer on the plane career aspect of that I certainly know we did in the manager. Aspect of all that Let's go. I can squeeze in at least one more try to make it to in Madisonville. Rick, you're on seven hundred wliw. Lance good evening. How are you sir? I am well. Thank you for calling. Eight listen I laid out of the boat. I know you're under the gun here I. Don't know Frank Robinson or force. Greg has been mentioned. Forrest Gregg was Frank Robinson won manager of the year in in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty nine, and while he had for his career a losing record overall as a manager, he had a couple of Nice runs with teams, and it had winning seasons, so he certainly earns his way into the conversation. It looks a little blast from the past here and the lesser from Cleveland, you may not recognize the name, but the only player in Major League baseball in the whole thing as both a player. A manager Lou Boudreau Oh, yes, absolutely, and the heck of it announcer as well later in his career. That's a that's a good one I did not have him on my list. Anywhere I gotta go Rick Somebody. Take care. Thank you squeeze in one more one more. If we make it quick bill, you're going to get the final word. What do you got? To know what would? What. I think I may have. He broke up a little bit woody woodpecker. I'm going to leave the show smiling and laughing. Have yourself a great night I could not have imagined I tweeted. This I'll try to guess how topics going to go. In my mind I think all right. There's gotTa Chancer is a little bit dicey or this one is golden. This work tell you this is one of the bigger surprises I did not anticipate. This working, but that is that is. A Kudos to you for for making it work allowing it to work, so thank you. Let's say we gather tomorrow night. We'll go sixty nine o'clock for three hours in I'll work on off the beaten path topic if you have one. I'm all ears on that I've got a couple. If you can top IT, give you full credit for it to email me Lancet Lance McAlister dot com, and we'll end the week with some fun like this wasn't fun tonight. 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"Dania a still a hidden balls come Of coffee by my side. I'm ready for the does minka but the seasons are better. I'm more for partner. Whatever solo. hello and welcome to episode sixteen sixty three of effectively wild fingertips baseball podcast brought to you by our patriots quarters rally graphs and i am joined as always by bedlam burger of the rare ben. How're you how are you. Did you read ryan dishes story about justin done. No i have not had a chance yet. Wealth justin done. He has checked every box on the spring training. Storyline bingo card with much. How ryan put it. So ryan made fun of himself for reading this story so i'm not punching down or anything here. This story has everything you could want for a player who comes into spring and says that he's gotten better in some way so best shape of his life. You've got different diet. Different workout plan. Increased velocity different pitch grip. I will just read some of the highlights here so he says arguably the best shape i've ever been in my life i've made a lot of life changes nutritionally putting more of an emphasis on that and getting my body right. I learned some really interesting things about my body over the off season. He dropped about ten pounds but also re apportioned the state on his body so he has reduced his fat level around the legs and core area and replaced it with lean muscle love when we get really specific about where the fat was is where the lean muscle is now. So there's that let's say he got back in the gym. He started moving weights. He got faster he got stronger. He got some athleticism back and he was. Apparently we challenge to prove in various ways by scott service jerry dipoto people with the mariners and so he answered the challenge in every possible way that he could. Then there's the nutrition he underwent some testing under the founder of precision food works and macro human whatever that is and done says. I learned a couple of small things. There was an amino acid. I was lacking in my body for burst energy production. I wasn't able to be as fast twitch or explode down the mound as fast as i wanted to be. He found out that he's allergic to cheese and eggs so yet to stop eating pizza he's a new yorker so that's tough to give up but he did it for baseball as a result i guess he has reduced his fat level around the lakes and core area. Don't know if that was worth it. And then he has increased his velocity because of the strength increases like s in the conditioning improvement. So he's throwing a good deal harder than he was reportedly. And then there's the new pitch grip and the new grip or the new pitch. That's always among my favorite story lines. So here's his story. It's a blessing from god man. Honestly i was holding a baseball in my car. I was driving one day and talking to him him being god not the baseball. The h. is capitalized. He told me. I blessed you with three people in your life pedro martinez frank viola. And trevor hoffman. Now take all three of those grips and blend them into one. Great advice from god to take the three of the the so he took hoffman's pom ball grip then. He took the hybrid circle. Change using the to close seems of the ball that frank viola taught him when he was with the mets. Cool then pedro. He offset his fingers to get the middle and ring fingers on top of the ball so he put them altogether and now he has the justin done franken pitch grip and And it does everything. It's the three great pitches combined into one because of this moment of the piffling. Well i will give ryan and i guess just done by by extension a little bit of credit which is that. He did not say that he went to drive. Line to find out that that change script so in that respect it is it does not live up to recent cliche but yes it does seem to roll a bunch of offseason improvement. You know i get why we goof on guys for the stuff because like what else are they going to say but also what else are they gonna say guy. And i'm not saying that you're you're trying to on either ryan or justin done all that harshly with this but i find it. I know that the perception is that these kind of softball questions and then softball answers but you know sometimes this stuff really does bear fruit. And the coaches always interesting. Even if it doesn't end up sticking 'cause like that's interesting to write one guy show up in the best shape of their life. The reason we scott because some of those guys you know by the end of april. They look like they're in the normal shape of their life the previous shape of their life. I'm going to put any kind of judgment on that shape because they're all sorts of shapes and over the last year some of us have explored new ones so i have no judgment about that shape. But that's why that's why we kinda scoff at like. These seem like changes that either aren't going sticker. Don't bear fruit but some of them do and when they regress like that tells you something right. That's interesting about in some way about the sustainability of the regimen or how effective it really proved to be and so i think i would like to use this opportunity to stand up for the maligned best shape of his life narrative which i'm surprised by ben. I've i've surprised myself. No i actually agree with you. I've written about this back in my grantland days. I did a little study on best shape of his lifers. And i found that while there wasn't some huge effect it did seem like the kayce who showed up in the best shape of their lives had some small playing time boost based on comparing to projections. I looked at what they were projected to do. And what they had actually done and it seemed like the best shape of his lifers actually played more and maybe a little bit better so there did seem to be a little bit of a boost as he would expect there to be in. These are professional athletes. Like if they're getting stronger and faster and better like you would expect that to have some effect. It's not completely implausible that this may actually matter. Yeah and i've written in the past about new pitches to and again comparing to projections a found that there did seem to be some evidence that players who picked up a new pitch pitched better than their projections. Which again you would sort of expect theory. I'm not saying it's a huge effect. And so maybe the reason why it's so often discounted is because there are a lot of players who show up in the best shape. They're wiser. they have a new pitch something and then nothing happens. Hill as you said they don't stick with it or they do stick with it and it just doesn't have a demonstrable effect like it's not gonna turn everyone into superman but if you had to choose. Would you rather have a player who was in the bishop of his life or not in shape. Rate seems like best shape is better all else being equal so it is sorta silly because there are certain players who show up in the best shape of their lives self-professed every spring yet. And then it's kind of like you know the player who cried best shape their life. Maybe they're just constantly getting into better shape year after year after year but probably not and then most players are in pretty good shape to begin with so yeah maybe it wouldn't have a huge effect or getting in better shape is not going to suddenly help. You hit curve ball or something. So there's a limit to have great ineffective could be. But i would rather have a player on not in the best shape his life than not and there are certainly some cases if it's a player like flat junior or something who seems to really have remade himself over the offseason where you'd think it would be a good sign so i agree with you. You know it's i. We remember all the times. I guess where you heard that someone completely transformed themselves and then did not have a transformed season. I think there are cases where it matters at least a little bit and we applaud the effort right. They the worked in unless it tight wash in which it very well could be. I could stick a taste to talk to the reporter and save yet my life. And i lost some fat around my core and my legs and whatever like you know unless you're showing them the the body fat tests then maybe you're just making it up. Well this is always such a funny one for for normal people because often you know sometimes there are softer bodied guys on. I don't think just done falls into this category. This is the weird thing about it. It's like i don't wanna talk about your body. I don't know you. That's very strange to do. But he did and so it's like you. Sometimes there are sort of guys who look like they could stand to improve their conditioning in a way that will help them in the field right like this is part of why there were some concerns that i think we saw born out. And maybe he's actually going to be able to course correct for viagra junior where it's like that body does not seem like it's going to be able to sort of stick with the rigors of third base right. There is a lack of physicality there. That's important actually being able to feel but often the guys who come into camping. They're like they're in the best shape of my life. And i was like you looked fine before. I don't know like how good a shape professional baseball player pretty good. But that's how you look. So i don't know but i also think that players who show demonstrate a willingness to sort of grapple with what hasn't gone well for them in the past and then try a new thing whether that inspiration comes from grant lander is divine kind of both introspection and then willingness to admit that. You need to try something. Different is is a really good thing and it doesn't always work. But i think that it's. It's like an admirable trait just for human beings Really useful one for baseball players. So you've actually taught us something about ourselves and our spirits ryan devesh and justin done. And so don't don't give yourself in grief i think. Yeah there are cases where it'll be like one off season they'll be in the best shape their lives because they bulked up and then at the end of that season. They'll be like oh. I got to bulky than the next spring it's like oh. I did yoga. I did flexibility. So now i can do splits. And i'm in the best shape my life and then sometimes it's like i just couldn't keep enough weight on the end of season a lost some strength so i'm hitting awaits again so there's definitely a bit of a back and forth there and i think there's probably more science to the process bs slides now because have their actual were science departments. Who are you know telling you what your nutrition should be at what your workout plan should be what you have to work on as opposed to players just deciding. This seems like a good idea. Or i will talk to someone who sounds like he knows what he's talking about. So yeah yeah. I you know the concept of reverse projection is a thing for a reason right that like. We've we've never seen either. Major league teams were sort of the the trainers and end nutritionists. And what have you in the sort of broader baseball ecosystem be sharper about this stuff and better equipped to to help out. Which is to say that. There isn't still some snake oil out there but i think in general you know part of why we talk about this generation of players being among the best we've ever seen as that they've just been able to try really smart conditioning and nutrition programs to themselves in a way that does enhance their performance pretty demonstrably so that part is is not surprising to me. I do like it when they they are like. Oh yeah i did yoga. And then i could touch my toes and and i'm like i can't do that and i feel like that's a place where i should be able to match you as a professional athlete and i still can't and then i feel humble in very flexible and i'm not offer minded not being flexible. Why do i have to be flexible. I want to be flexible leg. It seems like it's It would be cool to be able to touch your toes. But i have. I have a busted hip. It's a whole thing so it's fine but it does make you sort have to grapple with your own limitations as a person. When you're like the one thing that i should be able to do that a professional baseball player can also do When we used to have to do the presidential fitness tests. I don't know if you had to do those. Yeah they spare current kids from doing those. I think but you know there were various tests and one of them was the sit and reach and that was the one that i was not great at but also the one that i just didn't really care about kazaa. It's okay if i can't reach that far. Wab sig i'll just get up. I'll just move a little bit. So i don't know i'm not a gymnast or anything. I don't need to be that flexible. It's never seemed to be that big impediment to me. But i understand why would be if you are a a baseball player and you have to do a split it first base or something that can come in handy anyway. Regardless of how justin done pitches the season. I admire the origin story for his pitch. 'cause we're getting a whole lot of well. I threw off a mound with rap. Soto and track man and you know edward traffic and all of that and i admired the work ethic there too and there's science to that also but it's not the most entertaining origin story whereas this one just the divine epiphany like the burning bush in the tablet and told him to throw like patriot frank. Viola and trevor hoffman. Minute sounds easy if you can just throw it like all those favors did it. But once in a while it actually works that way like you know mariano. Rivera will teach roy halladay cutter sometimes. It actually is that easy. So i will be curious to see how that works out. But it's a good story at least so we do have an interview to get to shortly. We will be talking to sam. Rosenthal and joe clark who are game designers for the game band. They are the co creators of blace ball. Which i think we probably should have discussed on this podcast before now. Because it is philosophically and spiritually aligned with what we do here and it's hard to explain what it is that will be a subject of our interview but basically it is a baseball simulation. Internet based game that has become sort of a viral sensation and has developed a lot of lower and a thriving rich community. So it's basically as. I will say if you took effectively wild hypotheticals and and made them into a sport. So that's a fun conversation that we will get to very soon. I guess briefly we could mention that. Jackie bradley jr. has job now which is probably a good thing because we're less than a month away from opening day as a brewers were the ones who won the very slow moving. Jackie bradley jr. sweepstakes for two years and twenty four million dollars with an opt-out. Yes and i think that You know this makes this makes milwaukee better. It makes their outfield defense better. Although you know wasn't wasn't as if they had a bunch of slouches out there but it the the amount of money here makes me really still very confused about why the mets did not further of great their centerfield situation but the phillies others. You pick them but because this isn't exactly a huge contract. He does have the opt out after the first year. So presumably you know if he has a really stellar one. He might test the market again. But it's good for milwaukee. I wonder so he gets jackie bradley. Jr. the difference in the central who could say you yeah. It seems like slim margins there so anyone could be the difference but yeah i mean he's coming off a very good offensive season especially by his standards and so i think he was hoping it seemed like he was seeking a longer term and more lucrative deal. And you know. I think probably teams looked at the longer track record of him being a below average hitter and assuming that that's probably who he is which he still been a very useful player even as a below average hitter because of his base running in defense and seems like he still provides a lot of that so i don't know if he's disappointed with the terms he ended up on here if he is you can turn it into a pillow contract and he can go have a great year and opt out and hit the market again but yeah the official end of the killer. Bees red sox outfield so end of an era there. But the brewers will be the beneficiaries. Firfer got the to those brewers. They're always active. They're always trying to find ways to get better. Naved managed not too bad for quite some time. It's hard to your defense more in two moves than by signing colton long and jackie bradley jr. and there's really only one prominent free agent left rate tragedy of jayco teresi still market and i am personally invested in his free agency because as friend of the show and official stat keeper of effectively wild. John chenier informed me this morning. He is going to be the decisive player. When it comes to the offseason free agent contracts drafts that salmon. I did back in november. All of sam's picks have signed and all of my picks have signed except for jaco torrisi. And we are very close. We're neck and neck were both A little bit over one hundred million dollars in the right direction. So i guess we did okay but as opposed to last year where sam totally cleaned my clock. I am within striking distance here. And if i picked right onoda teresi than i will win. In if i picked wrong then sam will win. So it's really coming down to the wire. I took the under on the mlb trade rumors prediction for odori. Easy at the start of the offseason which was thirty nine million dollars. So i am in the position of not rooting for jake resume to make less money than he wants to make. But i stand to gain in a tangible way the bragging rights that i would get from this and it's really like i don't know what he can expect now but he was said to be seeking something like very much in that range. I think ken rosenthal reported back in january that he was hoping for an expecting a three year deal in the thirty six million to forty two million dollar range. Which if he's still holding out for that. That is right in that decisive rain so much on the edge of my seat here but he's really had to wait quite a long time and i feel for him last year. He took the qualifying offer coming off of a strong season. And in retrospect s- a don't think that was the greatest decision. It seemed like from what i've read. There is a lot of interest in him before he took it. But the timing being what it was and the uncertainty about how free agency works these days. He ended up taking that. I would have to think based on how the rest of the market played out and some of the deals. That comparable pitchers got that. He could have done better if he had tested the market. So don't know if he regrets that decision but then now he hits the market again without the qualifying offer attached and yet he is coming off a season that he missed most of with various injuries. Not arm injuries. But a bunch of nagging things that limited him to very little time and he didn't pitch well he was pitching so just bad timing like every now and then you have players who seemed to hit free agency at the wrong time and that has been the case for a reason so in that sense i'd like him to dwell even though i've got something writing on it here and you wonder if he might end up. I know that they're sort of flirting with the luxury tax threshold. If they sign him but you know the astros look like they may be are losing. Rebel does for the whole year. That would be a big blow. Yeah with his finger being broken and so when you look at the sort of collection of available free agents still on the market you have risi you have cole hamels. I guess. I'm definitely forgetting someone and someone right now. It's like may. Didn't you edit ben clemens writing about the phenomena of the houston rotation this very morning and didn't he say in that piece who the best remaining free agents are. And you'd say i'd say yeah. That's that's definitely true but i'm forgetting one of them and i can't. Scroll fast enough here we go. You got rick porcello and also annual sanchez. and so and so of that group. I would imagine that odor. Easy is the one who you feel the most confidence in like. There's there's injury issues to be had and performance issues to be had with all of them but by virtue of of that you might end up with odor easy on the outside looking in in a situation like houston if they're like really wanting to be strict about not passing the the luxury tax threshold. So i feel like there are opportunities to be had which feels silly to say. It shouldn't take you know an exciting young pitcher breaking his finger for that to be true. Every team needs more pitching than they start the year with. So it's bizarre that he doesn't have a you know a suitor serve already in hand. But he might. It might be okay. Benny might do well. He must have some level of interest. I guess it's just not meeting what he thinks it should be. Jaffe broke down potential destinations. Few days ago and you probably edited that too and he mentioned Okay well nationals. You mentioned phillies. Red sox rays cleveland. Angels astros cubs. There are a lot of teams that would be better if they had. Jay could receive not just for depth. But because he's a pretty good pitcher freight aside from twenty twenty so as jay mentioned like. There's some precedent for players in pitchers into spring training and signing deals in march. That worked out. Okay for them. Like alex cobb. A few years ago when he signed with the orioles for a four year fifty seven million dollar deal or jake arrieta did a three year deal. And kyle loesch had that well known deal beck in two thousand thirteen when he signed with the brewers so it happened there also bunch of guys who've had to settle for one year contracts at this point. It's just you know in march with the market being what it is. And as j noted. Trevor bauer is the only pitcher who got a three year. Deal this offseason three or more years. Which is very unusual. Usually there are quite a few who get a a multi year deal for more than two years and this year it was just bauer. Which is you know. Partly perhaps a reflection of the pitchers who were on the market but also probably a reflection of the market itself so given that it's march and that no one else has signed that sort of deal. I don't know that it's realistic for other easy to expect that but he deserves it based on the past track record and probably would have gotten it in a different year. Yeah i mean someone else will get hurt. That's a terrible thing. Don't try to catch. Catch the baseball with your bare hands. No don't do it sometimes. It's fine and sometimes you break your thingy and then you're going to be out for the whole season. Maybe they don't know for sure but that is how it looks like. It's trending at this moment. All right yet. Is that uncomfortable position of like. If you're if you're still waiting for a deal now it's like okay who's gonna freight or does elbow or something that i can take advantage of them sure. He's that actively rooting freddie winter. He isn't hurts but that's That's where the opportunities come from so we'll see what happens there. We have one more thing that we need to talk about before we get to asks here. This is this is going to be tough. So this is a result of an e mail that we got from listener errand great email. Thank you very much to erin for bringing this to our attention. There's a baseball scene in a newly released film. Tom and jerry. Tom and jerry available on. Hbo max and also i guess in theaters if you're going to theaters these days there's a baseball scene and it's not the best. It's just not the best so we have to do. One of our little reviews of wet went wrong here so i'm going to play a quick clip. It's it's about thirty seconds and it's pretty impressive that they managed to cram as many mistakes into this thirty second clip as they did. You will not be able to tell of the mistakes from this sound clip. You will have to watch the clip. And i will provide that on the show page but for now i'll just set the scene here. They show yankee stadium. Tom and jerry are going to a game. Did not watch the rest of tom and jerry to get the context for this excursion. Tom and jerry. From what i understand. Not the greatest critically acclaimed film of all time but this season they go to yankee stadium. And they sit in the outfield stands. And here's the sound scape him. Top of the ninth inning. Two out in the yankees up by one. Big alex gordon at the plate. That rush this over the could. This hearing is mayhem. Unfolds it yankee stadium to baseball fans. Seated in right field interrupted what could have been the final out for the yankees. The culprits believe taken away by animal control. Okay so if you couldn't tell what happens here is alex gordon is up. He hits a fly ball to left. It's to be a all that is like at the warning track and the yankees outfielder is reaching up to get it. And then tom wait. Which one is. Tom and the cat is tom. And the mouse is jerry s. I think that's right so tom reaches over and snags. The ball. looks like it's going to be a home run. And it's not he catches it and then he gets thrown out of the ballpark and everyone's mad at him. Because it looks like this is going to be the last out of the game and instead at least in the universe of the movie. Tom has Made it a home run by reaching over and catching it or at least preventing the outfielder from catching it. So where do we start here with. with what went wrong. Okay so my first issue is very well. My first issue is. I don't know why we need this movie. Tom and jerry is like an incredibly violent cartoon that i thought we kind of weren't watching anymore. Look my my sister won't let my nieces. Watch tom and jerry because they beat the shit out of each minutes at a time and she's like this isn't very nicely please. Itchy and scratchy basically. Yeah this is what. Jean scratchy space on. So that's but that's neither here nor there. The first issue is that the audio track appears to be saying that this is going to write it is not there. It is going to left field. This ball is going to left field. So that's that's the first issue the second issue that i have with this. Is that the way that it is. Shot it kind of looks like they're sitting in foul territory. I thought that too. So i guess like the volume and animation with which this is being called seems out of out of sync in that respect. The other problem is that it's a little hard to tell from the angles that we have like. I assume the replaced center in new york had more angles. But it sort. Of looks like tom savage the thomas the cat. It looks like tom is reaching into the field of play to obstruct the field from catching a catchable ball. Which would be spectator interference and the batter would just be out. So i don't understand why there is any controversy to be had here right now. I suppose that if he is it they are meant to be sitting in foul territory and and Joe book is just like getting really excited about all. That's going to hook fell that that perhaps people would be mad because maybe he didn't reach out as far as it seems when you watch the clip and so i don't know like it seems as if either he committed fan interference in which this is not a problem or he just caught about a ball in foul territory in which gets. I don't understand why anyone mad at him like fans do that all the time. I also find it very disquieting. Then that they start by referring to them as fans and then at the end when they're being rushed into an animal control cage there virtue as animals. They they have a glove. they have concessions. They presumably went to purchase those concessions at no point in their yankee stadium experience. Someone say no. We will not sell to this mouse in this cat. Who are improbably friends. And maybe you're going to beat the shit out of each other. While they're at this baseball game they were just fans there to enjoy a day at the ballpark and then as soon as they do something wrong. They are reduced to animals varied setting. Yeah i have a number of problems with this which you mentioned some of them and erin mentioned some of them in his email as well as and pointed out. Joe buck refers to alex gordon as big alex gordon. Yeah what was that about. Richard's odd stephanie. Like dot his nickname. You know alex gordon. I tried to google. That an all i found was like people saying they were big. Alex gordon fencers surprised. A big alex. Gordon hit so you know that was not helpful. But the point is he's not that he's listening six one. The average position player is six one. I actually look that up. So he is average height. he may be beefier. I mean he's certainly strong and fit. But i wouldn't say he's big alex gordon. They're they're much bigger players out there so that was so semi weird but also the ball that has hit this a real play. It's real footage. So i'll give them credit for that. At least you know when we talked about cobra kai and they're trying to pass off dodgers giants game that was really just a minor league game. This is not that. This is an actual major league game at yankee stadium. So you know some points for that. But i found the play. I found the clip which was easy to do it baseball savant. And it's about that. Gordon hit off of j cap in two thousand eighteen and a of corn just a lazy five ball to left field. And i do not understand why if you are trying to make this a home run robbery or or a home run interference. Why you would just choose the lacey. Pipe bald there so many options. There are so many fly balls. Hit to the warning. Track in yankee stadium with the juice ball you could go on savant and find one in five minutes so i really don't understand like if they had you know whatever clearance that they had to use a clip tremendous game. Why can't they just not use a clip. That actually looked like it matched the situation. It's clearly off the bat right. Not a home run in any way shape or form or close to it. Gardner is nowhere near the warning. Track let alone the wall when he caught that ball. So that's one problem and then yes as you mentioned than the the news broadcasts says it was hit to right field when it was quite clearly to left field and you make a good point about the fear but all of these things like. It's a thirty seconds seen so it's really impressive that they screwed it up in this many ways and like they got joe buck for this like right. They were not sparing expense in that way. Like if you're going to go get joe buck and you're gonna use a real game like why not. Just get this right. It would be so easy to just fact check. Is it leftfielder rightfielder. Does this bad at ball look like it actually fits the situation that we have concocted here. So i just don't get it and we repeat this over and over and no one ever takes us up on our offer to help them as baseball scene consultants and look. I don't want to discourage people from putting baseball scenes in their movies. Not that anyone in hollywood is like listening to us. Skewered this cnn saying oh well i'll choose a basketball scene instead. 'cause i wanna stay off of effectively wild bad side or something. I think it's a good thing for the sport that these scenes exist especially like with ostensibly a kids movie like sonic the hedgehog. Last year had a baseball scene and it was a good fund baseball scene where a like sonic is watching a a little league team play and he really wants to get involved and then he plays by himself and he so fast that he can play every position hit the ball to himself and field and around the bases and do it all and at school. I i enjoyed that scene and that was a very successful movie. And a lotta kids saw it and good publicity for baseball rated. We talk all the time about baseball not reaching a young audience. So if there's a scene in a movie like sonic the hedgehog or even a movie like thomas jerry great. I'm glad that kids are getting exposed to those things. Audiences are getting exposed to those things. If kids still care about tom. And jerry. Which i don't know but it seems like a good thing and i think if anything baseball is still probably over represented in film and tv you know relative to its popularity. It seems to me. And maybe it's just that my perception is skewed because People tell us about all the baseball scenes not about the basketball and football scenes but it seems to me like there's probably more baseball in movies and i don't know if it's just sort of the romance of baseball or the america's pastime lingering reputation or whether it seen as wholesome and tradition and family or what. But i think it's a good thing for the sport. I just wish that they would get the details right. And not saying that this will bother any kids or turn kids off of the sport but like if you're spend eighty million dollars or whatever on a movie and if you're gonna hire buck to broadcast you're seeing just get someone who knows anything about baseball. I'll let joe buck off the hook here. I'll assume that he just recorded his lines in one minute and that was that and they didn't Carolina'll cut on this or something but like someone you know. It doesn't take someone. Who is the managing editor of a baseball site and hosts a baseball podcasts. To to see these things like any baseball fan could see these eggs dislike. I get it. I just don't get it. Why not get it right so. I'm just watching this clip on mute over and over and over again as you're talking. I think they're definitely sitting in foul territory so that makes the left field right. Field confusion even stranger. I also don't understand like this movie. It was clearly not filmed during the pandemic. so i'm a little surprised that they didn't say to lake. They didn't want to go to aaron judge and say. Hey aaron judge. We're going to pay you for a day on the set to try to rob a home run as a person. Who frequently does that just by standing and reaching up and then have you be mad at the cartoon cat and be like oh and then it would be a real yankee and people would kids would be like wow look at that. Big tall man who plays baseball. I shall be a baseball fan. And then we'll all sing and cheer and it'd be so great. So there's that part did joe book push-back alex line at all. He may have threatened that in their joe. Buck has a a strange sense of humor. Which i quite enjoy actually in for all i know he may have suggested that the big alex court this is him ad-libbing than then i changed my opinion of it but i is getting it on a script and i may as well do this. Maybe it's like for sean. The hankook tire commercial like this does not make any sense. But check is gonna clear so let us get on with our business so i just also. There are so many people so close together. When will i get over that. 'cause you still gonna take a little bit of time. Also i feel like they're doing j. hap- dirty in this scene jay up here got an easy out. He's just trying to get an easy out and and go about his business. You think that they picked the yankees because they can have an anonymous yankee and people be like well. He doesn't have to have a name on the back of his jersey since he's a yankee whereas if they had done this you know with the mets then it wouldn't have gone as well because they have on the back of their jerseys right. Maybe yes. yeah yeah it looks relatively like baseball player and it looks like a yankees uniform and surya fault them for not paying aaron judge's appearance fee for this if he he was not eager to be in tom and jerry but i do fault them for just getting the very basic details wrong because it would be so easy like just not even asking for you to have a bigger budget or you know. It's it's not like the scene itself is my problem with this. It's such avoidable mistakes here. Hey choose a different clip. Instead of this one say left field instead of right field it costs eur. No more money to do those things so and they need to get right. Also i know that cotton candy is. I don't think that tiny mouse can hold up any believe that at all the anyway it can close by me. Please call us. Our rates are very reasonable. I don't even know what they are because no one has ever taken us up on this. They might be free. This might be fun sideline for us. I wouldn't mind buying a new dining room table so they wouldn't i low paul but they must be free would be reasonable. Yes very reasonable. Yeah just to spare me the angst of having to see this and wondering. The two of us cost less than joe buck. Yeah oh sure. Yeah anyway. I guess. I forgive them for the fintor. Fearance thing to some extent just because like narrative we speaking i guess they. They needed them to get thrown out of the park. Right what else they really like heckling or throwing beer at people or something. Which is something tom and jerry would do. Probably because they're violent little jerks your streak already naked anyway. I like baseball in movies. I like the sonics. Seen it really makes business look fund but this just just please call us next time just anyone. Did they fix sonics. Weird human teeth. Yes they did all right all right. Let's i. I will link to this by the way so you can all go watch it on the show page as the actual big alex gordon clip that it came from so if you have any further thoughts please feel free to redden and let us know and thanks to everyone who informs us of these things frankly. I was not planning to take in tom and jerry anytime soon. I guess it's a mixed blessing it because This almost made me mad. I am not quick to anger but the someone scotney there but still thanks to the network of people who watch bad baseball things and tell us about them so that we don't have to and i feel for errand because his email signature says that he is majoring in cinema studies. And this is probably not what he imagined when he chose that nature that he would close reading of the baseball scene. In tom and jerry but thanks anyway. So we'll take a quick break and we'll be back with same rosenthal and joel parker to talk about baseball ball. Led me to crack craft screed terrified. Took me to forbid were right. Vr backs and were ready or as ready as ever be to talk about baseball. And who better to explain. The wonders and audit easer tend to explain them of this semi inscrutable and mysterious sport than the fella suit created. Sam rosenthal and joe clark of the game band l. a. based video game studio sam is the founder and creative director at the game. Ben hello sam. Hi and joel is a game developer and designer also at the bit belowjoel. Hello together. They gave birth to this thing. It sounds like neither completely understands. Probably no one else does either. But we're all trying to explain it and understand it together so we'll get to that. I guess if we could start maybe with your origin stories as baseball fans as reality league baseball fans the own fashioned sparring baseball that we grew up with a That you both care deeply about that sport to or it would have been difficult to give birth to this variant of it so Absolutely yeah save if if you wanna go first or just kind of tell us how you came to light or what you like about it or what. You're a fan of how that led to baseball. Sure on baseball is kind of been. In the periphery of my life. Really long time. And joel and i actually went to a ton of games together back when when we could do that and that was actually where a lot of the seeds for for voice ball came we will go to a bunch of dodgers games and you know when they were winning we would be really invested. When they weren't winning we'd start talking about other stuff and there is one game in particular. I remember. it goes a postseason game that they were losing pretty badly and we just started to to riverbed like what if this sport was was different and stranger and um came up with all of these crazy ideas like players holding water jugs about heads and and all of that out but yeah the sports have been just a great way to to connect with friends and get together with a bunch of people regardless of you know what their overall interest in life. It's always kind of been a really good unifier. So i think it was a really natural place for us to turn to. When we were looking to create a game that could earn a lot of people together. Yes you have anything to add to that. Joe walsh didn't even mention he's orioles fan. I feel here now under you. Two to five of them into the postseason. You say sari saris. Yes and then i'll add. I've always enjoyed baseball. I'm of royals fan. I live in kansas city. I always went to games as a kid. And then i like baseball. Baseball are agatha confused. These days baseball became a bigger. You know hard of my life. And i paid attention a lot more when the royals got good while back and you know had hosmer and restock is coming up and it won the world series. Shut up to two thousand fifteen royals. Now yeah i i had. I knew it. We're gonna make it through this without mentioning the twenty fifteen royals. So there we go. But yeah itself Huge part my life for a while so The minute we started talking about making a game baseball related it was just. It was the right direction like it just felt so natural for us to run with so you wanted to make a game. That was baseball related. And you wanted to take baseball and make it stranger and so you created blaze ball and y- okay now we have to ask you. What what is this thing that you heard explain tried to explain for our listeners. Who know baseball very well. What is that. You have actually done here. So i think One kind of easy way to Respite around what this came is is. It's like if you took fantasy baseball and then put like an absurdist hard spin on top of it. So it's like what a fantasy baseball was actually staticy like what. If there were black holes that could open or umpires that went rogue and could incinerate players with their eyeballs. All sorts of kind. Of course horror types of things that you would see if you're reading like a lovecraft story by mixed in with the place ball and then with baseball that the The community part of the game is kind of the thing that makes it really special indifferent so every week. When you're playing baseball what you're really doing is you're poising that's on these simulated games. That are just kind of simulating twenty. Four hours a day. you're watching. What kind of looks like if you're following along with like the the espn or something in just the play by play and your place in these bats you're cashing in your earnings are all fake money and you're buying a bunch of different snacks for this new era but one of the things that you can buy or votes at every single week we had election. And there's a few things that we put up for vote there's decrees which changed the overall course of the league as you can vote for things that might say at a fifth face or open the forbidden book all sorts of crazy things and then we also have blessings which are kind of a raffle them. The different individual teams can win. And wills which is another more strategic element so what the fans end up doing. Is they band together on social media in through discord to come up with the strategies that they wanna pursue in the direction they want the game to go in sort of like a massively multiplayer. Choose your own adventure with the baseball. Spend yeah if i were to say kind of the same thing. It's it's really just baseball with the promise that the team communities can change the game and combined that with kind of a community storytelling experience. And you've got the starting point for place. Paul and was there anything that the two of you sat down you. You were starting to sort of map this out and think about the concept of the game and the rules where he said this this thing from actual baseball shall pure within the universe where creating or anything that is off limits in terms of the changes that you would allow community members to vote on to make to the game and its rules right. I thought about that a little bit. i certainly has to have bases And a ball right. You think you would need at least two bases right. You need home and at least another basic goto We we haven't gone below four bases we have gone above four bases but in my mind. I think you need at least two at all times indian players. It's probably important. The players i think hitch team has to be thrown the and someone has to have a bat where they can hit the ball like beyond that. I feel like nothing is sacred. Yeah yeah one reason why we wanted to have you on is that i feel like we've had a lot of these conversations on this podcast we've definitely had the what is baseball are kind of the core irreducible elements that you can't remove and have it be baseball anymore. And all the odds hypotheticals we have saying on the show. If baseball were different. How different would it be. And then we run through these various strange scenarios and what if mike trapped had fewer fingers. And what if they bases backwards and weirder than that. What if everyone had an extra hand somewhere on their body and where would you put it to be the most advantageous and basically this is what that is. It's a league like that where it's not just two people in podcasts. Talking about what it would be like. But you've actually created it. And you have in collaboration with many people who enjoy it shaped this thing together. And it's a a wonderful beautiful things so i feel like a lot of our listeners. If they are not already into place vote would find a lot to like here. Because they like to indulge us when we go on these wild flights of fancy about baseball and this is what that is and i imagine. It's also pretty appealing to actually have some input into the structure of the sport because that is something that frustrates fans that they want things to change. Everyone always says things that they would change about baseball but we can't change them. We can't vote. The book really is forbidden. The commissioner is not always right and there's nothing we can do about it but in baseball. You can't That's got to be a pretty empowering feeling it is yeah and like there. Is this promise that things will always change. Because you're totally right that there's always this urge to change baseball. Rioted be able to as a fan affect the rules. But i think we find a lotta time baseball. That some of the changes the you want. Don't actually turn out to be that good Right like my best example is when we did that. Fifth base that was one of our earliest things of dislike an example of how we could change the sport very simply yet a fifth base and see it excited a so much. We were so excited to put in. We finally got it in season seven or something and it was such a nightmare. it was just. It made every game too so grueling. Like home runs or just basically the the way you would score now rallies were so much harder and so then and then fifth. The fifth base went away after that season. So it's like any even for role comes in. You don't like it in place while you can take it back out some in some form. It's always changing. It's always evolving. Something's become permanent and some things just only there for short. So how do you implement these things. 'cause you're simulating these games right. So how were you simulating them at the start when it looked more like regular baseball. And how do you decide. Well there's a fifth base now. So here's how the game is gonna play out. But i'll stick to the tech level that sam talk to design side a little bit more But we just built the simulation from the ground up. We just built a simulation of baseball and built it in every way knowing that we were going to try to change everything right in your like designing code basin from that perspective. There's a way to do it. You keep everything very simple but you just leave hooks everywhere to change it. So we're just constantly adding onto this complex simulation. Now there's just all of these different weird rules hiding in there that could be triggered by a player getting a special ability or a team getting special ability or like some weather pattern appearing so we just keep adding this pile of of rules and systems and it's worked out. Yeah on the design side you know we have a writer's room everyday does usually few hours long and we discuss or usually like a monitoring what the monitoring what the community is doing latching onto and we discuss where we take things and often in those meetings out. It will throw out a bunch of ideas. Joel help us realize what is possible with the civilization. What is not possible with him down a little bit there but what we do sort of know just kind of as our core framework is that we have a couple different areas where we can get a lot of mileage out of changing things so a really good example of this is the modifications. So if you have a If you have a player that you want to behave differently or have particularly special attribu- Like what say we have. We have a modification hat was called unstable that was more of a narrative focus modification. It made a players more likely to be incinerated in previous era and those types of things we. They're very cheap for us to make an. We can throw them onto a player. They suddenly totally changes. What you how you feel about that player. How they're going to behave in a game from just like one small little attribute so then the election is the last piece of this is basically. There's a global change every season it's the decree and that sometimes as big global rule or ads in a special ability to maybe the bottom four teams or something but then there's a set of raffles. The election called blessings and every fan of every team is voting for these raffles. Trying to win all these special abilities for their team. So that's that's usually how these abilities in these rule changes make it into the simulation where as designers offering them up as potential and then the community is is running towards them and choosing which ones they want and playing with it ahead to have so many questions about the so our has. But i'm going to start. I'm going to start with a simple one because it may be addresses. One of the things that i think makes us all crazy about normal baseball. Which is are there any powerhouses that have emerged in the late. Paul universe are there teams that are always contending in your ensure simulation versus ones that are always in the you know that our cellar dwellers or is there. A lot of turnover lakers every fan base able to sort of have an experience of winning. Even if it's a if it's a fleeting one or are there teams that are emerging as bullies. Is that even a good question. i feel. that's a good question. Yeah i'll start off by saying it's a. It's a league of a baseball sports. Of course there's like power dynamics in it and things are constantly evolving and there's tons of phantoms in it that you know there's there's good teams Historically bad teams. And you're going to get that with any league. I think what's different as we get to play with competitive balance in the weirdest possible ways and The first example. I think we should talk about specific teams 'cause timeout. The teens will be very fun. But i wanna talk about party time i am. That's the rule. I think it's one of the best rules in our game. That's a permanent fixture. It's anytime a team. Mathematically eliminated from the postseason. They inter-party time and that just means any game from that point on that they're playing they'll just receive random stat boosts throughout season. So like it'll say you're what your players partying and suddenly the better batting just randomly during one of their games and that's in such a good competitive balance thing because it's like the earlier. You're eliminated the more parties. You're going to have in the better team. We have a bunch of teams that were really good for a little while and just like in real sports. You have a lot of fans very short term research so you might see like we always would laugh at saying the comments like this team. This team is the yankees of place fall in early on. I mean that was the yankees. Baseball is the philadelphia pies than it was the haiti's tigers and then the baltimore crabs and that was with the course of a month and a half or so so it shifted dramatically very very quickly and sometimes the fans organiz really really well which helps baked their teams much more powerful. We definitely saw that. The baltimore crabs. Who were the very first team to win three championships. But there's a lot of randomness in chaos. That happens within the league that nobody can expect so you know no matter how much you plan your just kind of trying to steer the ship. The best again that they're a giant wave. Mike common hits you at any point. Where did this sort of eldridge welcome to night vale. Slightly unsettling surrealist aspect to it. Come from did you build that in from the start or that sort of develop organically. It was pretty organic. I think we have to give a lot of credit to stephen bell who's also a designer and writer on the game in stephen came on very early and was just sort of tried to to push. I said see how far we would. We would let him just he would Is like hey like what if we hump pires. That good incinerate people would say yes. And then he would continue to add more more to that and we just keep going and one of the very first ideas that we had a lot of a lot of the fun invoice ball comes from like word play in. We were having fun early on. Which is the idea of the baseball gods since we always talk about like praying to the baseball gods and you know we are very very early that we're going to make the baseball guys actual characters entities in a game and i think that was one of the very first point to realize that this was not going to be just like a whimsical weird. Take on baseball. It was going to have some more sinister elements as well. Hey how did you decide to stick that l. In the name. Joe i mean like most decisions most designed decisions in baseball because things move very quickly. It was built very quickly every seasons a week like all decisions. It was just a spur of the moment thing so it was in the first conversation salmon. I had about this game and came up with the idea. I just said baseball because it sounded absurd. And we we. We tried on other names like that day. We threw it around in our in our slack. And we're talking about like what could it be. I can't remember what the other ones were. The word peanut might have made it in there. I don't know But i think it just felt like baseball was the only the only thing that could be it fits. I think what's there anything that was too far. You mentioned that stevens trying to push you to add things to the came thing where you just said. No you to veto it or you have so far. Oh yeah we've yes. There's i feel like a lot of times. I have to take the role of vetoing all the filter through the chaos of the idea idea train. Here stephen keeps pitching fusion. Which as i understand it. Every time he pitches it slightly different. But it's always just fusing two players together somehow right and it's just there's so many every could go to bunch of directions. They're all wrong on top of it. Being very difficult like people care a lot about these players. A lot of the the phantom. They love the players. They love these silly names that they generate in the rally stories for them. Some top of just like concerns about how it would work like what does it mean to be fused. It's kind of like you lose two players at once right like get a third one. it's very. It's a touchy concept. Think about what you gained drill. Third-leg have one half of you and then meets in the middle but to hit some healthy. I don't know. I guess to get involved very good question. That's why veto and then you never have to answer. This question appears only one way to find out you mentions the the stories that community members are telling about these players. And there's this very active discord and it feels like and i don't want to jinx anything but like you have created this sort of unicorn of online community that seems to be raucous and engaged and involved but mostly pretty kind to one another and invested in each other's well being and i just wonder when when in the process of of all this did you start to realize what exactly you had when it came to the community. That was growing up around the game. It was pretty early on you know we are. I just testing the game with friends and family. We are seeing certainly like a lot of investment into the stories that people were coming up with and then when the game actually launched we had a a small but very dedicated group can really attached to it very quickly and then then we started to see fan art and we started to read the fan fiction and we started to hear the music that people were making around the game and such this kind of wonderful outburst of of creative energy and i think You know we on one hand. We got really really lucky in that we ended up with a community that naturally wanted to to just be in good faith and help each other and be kind. We also did our best to lead with our values and be very clear about what would be tolerated. What would not be tolerated as there is no ambiguity with that in at the very beginning and we also have an amazing moderation team of volunteer community managers in our keepers who came on board and they moderate discord and they do a ton of work in just making sure that the community stays like a really safe fun place to be. What percentage of the responsibility for making this thing what it is. Do you feel like you had i. It seems to have Expanded and spiraled test. What you've envisioned that. I and of course you've kind of kept your hand on the rudder and you're writing it of course but you're also responding to the community. So do you feel like you are in control of this thing or do you feel like you're just sort of a partial steward in. It's just going wherever it was a very good question it. Yeah it's it's hard to. I think in our first era were so caught up. We ran eleven seasons and obviously like wisdom was timeout. Like all the fan coming out. We started a feel overwhelmed. That was season two so like it's started to move so fast and we were just constantly laying the train track out in front of us and i felt partially in control of it. I think but it really felt like it took on a life of its own. And i don't know we we we. We've adjusted a little bit at this point. We took a long break out. We call it a grand siesta. Siesta is our word for like when a pause and play or is actually when our site crashed. We call siesta suspension season twelve to started march. I yeah it is well underway. This wild events in how long season is one week. The regular season is monday to friday. The postseason is friday night in saturday and in the election is on sunday. Yeah like after that grants yesterday took off. Oh took a long break and we made a lot of changes this site and we were able to plan ahead a lot more so i think now feel back in control of the narrative and what we're trying to do this but we were still is still very collaborative thing in. It's still we want the community to be driving this just as much of us. And just meet in the middle in that in that handshake between developers in community internally. We often say there's three different writers on the game. There's us at the game band. There's the the simulation and then there's the fans. And if i think a good model for thinking about that. Dynamic is like a tabletop role playing game where you have somebody. That is the game master. That sort of laying out the the shape of the actual figuring out where where it is that the players could go and then you have the players that are responding to certain things and not others in the game. Master has to adapt to figure out what direction to take it. And then there's the just the actual randomness. That happens that nobody could predict. While i guess like normal baseball there is a growing body of folks keeping track of stats. But i am given to understand that the stats numbers that cyber the society for internet blaisdell research just terrific Tracks are a bit more expansive than what you would see on a stat page at fan graph so what are some of the the wilder stats that that group is keeping track of and how does what is interesting to them as you just said sir to inform the things that you guys go for future seasons in iterations of the game. Yeah i mean. There's you mentioned the fifth base. So quadruples is a stat tracking. That's one of the easiest ones to describe cyber. Is i let me just start with saying i love cyber. They do like statistical analysis of some of the election items in like write a white paper on like how would change the game and why it's unbalanced and why we shouldn't be doing it and things of that nature. I always go to Wins per win. That's the great stat that with they track and graph overtime because in season eleven we introduced mechanics called Son to in black hole basically. I wanted to win the whole thing. But it's scored too many runs. You could earn extra win or steal a win from another here so there you basically ended up having more wins or more points. I guess the easier way to describe it than games you actually played and so we started tracking winds per win. Meaning like total accumulated. Wins per game that you actually won and that just blew. People's minds like wins per win is iconic the last one i'll give you his total fingers his That was just again like anything in baseball. Was just like a one off joke by us. We're like it would be funny if like when you boost your pitching stats. You also get a finger and then we forgot that we put that in and then suddenly like accidentally players had like eighty seven fingers and so then like cyber found that early on this is like season or something. They found the number of total fingers and start if like tracking that for players and so. Now that's a core core statistic of players is like Oh cool how many total fingers. I guess we should mention that. Of course cyber has created baseball reference dot com where you can look up stats and schedules and standings and a record of every. Who's been in the game. Did anything prepare you for making this in your past. Life's i mean your baseball. Experience helped to some extent. I guess but in terms of making games. You've both built games before and sam. You had a hand in making one of my favorite games of the past several years. What remains of edith finch. So is there anything in your previous game design experience that helped you there or did you base this on anything in fiction. You know like the robert couvert book universal baseball association. Something like that were. There is a fictional league that someone really gets into a good references. Steven actually sent us all a copy of that right after we launched but to answer your question no place ball is a pretty big departure from the previous game daily releases in studio where cards fall but i do think that the experience of working together on that game very much prepared us to make this i and that it taught us how to how to trust each other and what we're all good at and just kind of going through going. Through the often grueling process of making a game how builds a ton of camaraderie and and trust. That's really a replaceable. so he ablaze. Fall is a game that we had to make very quickly and we continue to have to make quickly. We're always adapted to things on the fly but were not starting from square one with like team building from team building stands like we know exactly what everybody's roles are what they're great at doing. There's just such a such an ease about making decisions that allows us to act in a really quick way. Yeah and then from a design standpoint. I would add on like i think we we play a lot of like complex systems driven emergent narrative games. The example give is the civilization series. I played all the time as a kid. And it's like you. It's there's so many different interlocking systems all in one place and it creates the wildest stories. I think playing those sorts of games and like my whole life kind of prepared me for this. I guess it's it's the same rules of any sport right. It's a bunch of weird systems and rules colliding to make some random serandon outcomes so being a sports fan playing those kind of games certainly prepared prepared us for designing this game. Yeah that sort of segues into one thing. I wanted to ask. Witches are people who like baseball sports fans. Are they baseball. Fans it seems like there's a significant demographic that isn't really into real sports but is into baseball anyway. So what have you been able to tell about that. I'd say that overlap between baseball fans invoice fans is not the majority of our audience. It's a very diverse audience. So it's hard to speak generally for them but we have a lot of people that are really into at into tabletop role. Playing games. With a lot of people that are really into cosmic And a lot of people that are just very into strange new things on the internet which place while certainly falls under out. But i think one of the things that that it's been able to do is provide a a safe and welcoming environment for for people to realize what it's like to be a fan of a team and you know. I think a lot of professional sports can be can be turn offs for for certain people because they could be. Maybe maybe just like there's too many elements they have present themselves in kind of overly conservative fashion. Our just there's a million different reasons that on the surface level. You might just say okay. This isn't for me so he wanted to be an alternative and we wanted to have kind of created different direction and see if if people would be able to latch onto what we find so appealing about sports further way that we presented it so someone has listened to this and says this this odd thing sounds like a thing for me what. What is your recommendation for folks who wanna get into the game. Because i can. I can hear you at time. Saying do i need to spend ten minutes explaining this as part of my answer. Should i give you know winds per win. Which is easy to digest so if people are trying to unpack some of the minutia of the game. What is your recommendation for. People who wanna get involved. Who we've of work this particular era to make it easier to jump into. So i would say the best thing to do is to make an account log into the website and start following along with your favorite team at actions panel on the homepage. That's brand new feature. That will tell you some certain things you can do at the very beginning. How to place bets how to You'll buy snacks how to vote things like that. So the game will kind of walking through the basics and then once you're there once you grasp for what's happening have there's a few really amazing places that can kind of explain the different directions. That place ball has gone in. And if you check out our twitter account just the game band we actually have a pinned tweet with a bunch of great explainers that talk about some of the different aspects of place pause or one of them that talks mostly about the community. One of them that really focuses on the game design another one. That's kind of a more personal journey through the entire experience. So there's a lot of great stuff. That's out there. But i would just really encourage everybody to not not worry about trying to take it all in at once. Not worry about trying to study in research the histories of every single player. If you're into that that is there for you but just like real sports when you get into one for the first time. You don't need all of that context you follow along with the team. You watch the games in the stories that you experience are the ones that you end. Never remember yeah exactly. I would add on like when you go to the site and you make an account. The very first thing is going to ask you to do is pick pick your team. It's going to ask you to pick your team based off of just emoji and color and name and the team that you pick is just like what you're just aligned with as a person's in general at somehow it works out very well and then just watch a game right like. That's a lot of sports. You're gonna have your team and you're going to be a fan of that team in us. Fall into like what makes that team fun as so i would encourage you. Just pick your team and click on them and look at the players and just get acquainted. People will notice that as you were giving those instructions for getting into the game there. You did not say an enter your credit card information and buy some virtual currency so from this doesn't respective which i i almost hate to bring it down to the mundane finances. But what was your plan going. I know that you're patriots. Supported as we are so. Was that your hope that it would just be a community funded effort or at first. Did you have other plans honestly. Didn't have huge plants are going in. We were in a pretty tricky point for our studio where we Were pitching other projects. We. we're trying to get something off the ground and we're an independent game shop you know. It is very challenging to keep the lights on so for baseball. One of the reasons that we made it was to buy more time and the expectation was okay like best case scenario. We're going to be running some some ads on this through sponsorships and near the game takes off and it it'll get us a few few months. Were much to pitch other things and it took off in a way that we never could have imagined as so now we do realize that we want keep making this game. We want to make it better and we want to bring more people on to help out with it so how we actually monetize it in a way. That doesn't compromise. Our values is something that we're spending a lot of time thinking about right now and working going forward. What reaction did you find. Because i think you guys launched in mid july of last year when we were all experiencing the the lack of sports and then when they did return it was hard for them to not feel kind of key even as we were enjoying them just given what else was going on in the world. What was was that a an element of the community's reaction. Do you think to this that they were able to enjoy a game that you know for those of them who might have been sports fans for resembled. Sports didn't come with them. Worrying about you know whether test kits were going to athletes as opposed to community members. Yeah absolutely i mean. A lot of ways was a product of this pandemic from start to finish like we. I dated this during when right when the pandemic was starting and designed the whole game in launched. I mean we're still in it some so yeah like we. We've definitely played off of that. I mean if you go to the site before you log in the first thing you'll see is justice intro text about how this in this game players never sick. They never tire they just. They never stop playing. And so i mean we kind of built this as a reaction to what was happening in the real world was happening with sports and like it is. I didn't watch the last season of baseball. Aldus admit that outright it just felt so weird it just felt so strange and like it just felt the right time to pay attention to something like baseball whereas like yes. It's chaotic in weird and horrific at times. But it's all this contained chaos. This safe chaos. It's not real. It's it's it's a website in own were. We're telling stories here that was definitely a huge part huge influence with his game. I asked some of our listeners. If they had any questions for you in one of them was from erin who said how is it. that incomprehension doesn't make fun to cheer for. And i was kind of curious about that because there people in the thread who said dude. I tried to figure out what it was. And i couldn't and yet it seems like a lot of people like that aspect of it a that you left a lot of it to the imagination and you kind of let people defined however they wanted to find it but also i guess they're sort of in group aspect to it. You know not that. It's exclusionary at all but just like if you get it. Then you get and other people might not get it. So i'm kind of curious as someone who presumably wants to attract new people to the game yet. Probably some of the allegiance that the existing fan base feels toward. It is that it is something that may not appeal immediately. Everyone or you kind of have to be in the club to understand it bit how you sort of balanced that making it. Something that it's fans appreciate in a special way with wanting to attract new players. Yeah i. I'll just say for starters we we are trying to. We don't want it to be in joke. we don't want it to just be. You had to be there until understand. Place fall So that's a lot of our current designed goals is adding features. That catch up on things. Understand we added glossary. We is just find funny that we have. I've never made a game where we need glossary in. Oh it's it's in the spirit of ike. Hey do you not understand something. It's we'll help you We don't want this to be this inscrutable sport. We want anyone to be able to join having said that part of intrigue of baseball is the mystery of it. like even for people who've been paying attention from beginning there's new stuff that's happening and unfolding in front of your eyes and like a lot of the fun is figuring that stuff out so we're trying to strike a balance between those two things. I think like just coming into something. So simple and unassuming and then seeing player get incinerated. Wait what why. Oh it's because it's a solar eclipse out. Sure there's something fun about that but you do have to. You do have to buy a little bit. I would add onto it to that. I think a lot of people they buy into it because of the community because we have spaces where it can feel like. You can see all the excitement around in. It's sometimes funded join in on that. I think we all grew up playing games. That had a lot of secrets that you know. Ask players to to work little bit to uncover them and except to solve the mysteries together. And i think you in a time where we can have so much information at our fingertips. It is nice to have something again. That feels a little bit a little weirder. Like there's something that you have to kind of work for don cover how we certainly as saying. Don't want the core experience place fall to the exclusionary. We don't want anybody to feel like they you know they need to go. Read a research paper to understand how play but we always want the community to have an incentive to work together to uncover some hidden things. All right is there anything that we have not touched on that we should. Because i feel like meghan might not know all the best questions to ask. There might be some delights that we have not touched on here so if thirty aspects of the game any little bits of lure any parts of the community that come to your mind that you'd like to touch on or anything you want to tease coming up. Lay it on. I've got one thing This example of the The chaos of the simulation of baseball. We've been relaunched this new season on monday. And i've i've mentioned a bunch of times that solar eclipses that players can be incinerated by rogue empires. Right help we've mentioned a few times. We've been waiting all week for the first incineration to happen. And it just mysteriously hasn't happened like the luck of the draw hasn't occurred since we started recording. The two players have been incinerated so very impressed that you could keep track of the podcast. Yeah i got it out of the corner of my eye not paying attention but yeah it's just that's just the beauty. Sometimes this the simulation plays out in the funniest ways you get these kinds of moments. Certain point you'd have too many fingers to be ineffective pitcher. I would like were. They all imagine of eighty-seven fingers in rolling it off of all hike. The pitch designed to do with that. We haven't talked too much about the teams too. So i just wanted to mention so that the team names that we have there. There's a few new ones that were introduced today The atlantis georgia's is one of my favorite new ones. The core mechanics in the ohio worms all at all entered the league today so if you are joining for the first time those are brand new fan bases their stories are being written for the first time now so probably wants to jump into. How did you decide. Or how do you decide now. The ideal size of the league. If you're adding teams It's a great question. We help for a while because we wanted to make sure your the size of fan base does matter a lot. You know in terms of the voting power in the election. So you wanna make sure that every team can have a big enough fan base to support it. so it's it's really just the size. That baseball gross to i don't know in early testing we actually had thirty teams like actual baseball and we scaled down to twenty and it just felt right. But i don't know. Starting this new era we felt like is the perfect time to bring in bring in four new teams and so far so exciting. I don't know we'll do it again. But we'll see we should say that incineration is not necessarily final right. There are ways you can come back there. Some necker mitzi some resurrection that's possible l. wasn't south of a realized. I yeah that's one of those beautiful combinations of systems in unexpected ways that happened in the community so like ima shortest possible terms. There was one of those raffle tickets in the election. That let you a player from the idols. Board right in our idols board is it's just basically a list of the most popular players were to dilute it down. You can have an idol and it's kind of fantasy element where you earn coins based off of your idols performance and then the idols board is the leader board of the most popular idols so this raffle allowed them to steal player from that leaderboard they. The community rallied to idolize a dead player lifting them onto the leaderboard in that raffle ticket stole the dead playoff idols. Board onto a team bringing them back to life and that was that was the necker mansi of jalen hotdog fingers. It was a beautiful moment. that was That's that's really win. The true like back and forth between us in the community came into play and it is really blossomed. Place ball into a brand new thing is also. Yeah that's the emergent narrative inaction tests exactly all right. Well i don't think we've come close to covering it all but there's no possible way that we could in one interview so thank you for coming on and there was a listener named patrick who said i hope you do an episode on it that makes sense of it and i don't know if we did and i don't know if we would want to really but i think we get enough of an overview to clue people into what it is and why they would like it if they enjoy this podcast so we will link to everything that we've talked about today. You can find the game band on twitter at the game band and that pin tweet with some instructions to get started is at the top few can find sam and twitter at sam rosenthal you can find joel on twitter at joel underscore a underscore clark and guys. I guess we'll let you get back to monitoring the insinuations. Thank you to both of you. Thank you thank you. Russ and violence case for its. I'm just catching up now. And and joshua in joshua part of maybe they'll be back like jane hotdog fingers. We hope so. We can only hope the only have ten fingers or was this league in eighty fingers sorta situation. I think jalen had ten off. I don't probably who knows that there's a point hotdog sized guys all right. That will do it for today. Thanks as always for listening. You can support effectively wild on patriot going to patriots dot com slash effectively wild. The following listeners have already signed up and pledge some sma the amount to help keep the podcast going and get themselves access to some perks. Sam isaacs chuck heinebaeck. Amelia mettler alex. Pam and paul. Heyman thanks to all of you. Join our facebook group at facebook dot com slash groups. 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That's The Story

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That's The Story

"Listen up fellas DAX cells built for big and tall guys. Okay. Which means they've got closed built for style built for comfort and festival. Bill, three you get this DSL spent years developing their own sizing patterns, to deliver a great fit every time and every size. And with over one hundred brands DSL, have you looked in great? So head to excel dot com, and check out a store near you, d excel big and tall built three you at DSL dot com. These baseball tonight the podcast. It's Tuesday may twenty-first, and this is the baseball tonight podcast on BUSTER, only our producer. Every day is just macrey Joshua. I think it's established now that you and I the only two unions in the planet who really didn't get into game of thrones at all right. I think we talked about that before. Yeah, I certainly didn't get into it. I know you didn't get into it. I think we're one of maybe five or six something tells me Tim hasn't gotten into temporarily doesn't even though that it exists, but yeah, no, it's, it's a pretty exclusive club BUSTER. And you always hear about, you know, book widows writer show, show, widows or winters. You know, show comes to an end you're looking for something to go to. I've highly recommend for all of you. The did love game of thrones. Just start following the Mets. Okay. No spoilers, no BUSTER. No spoilers. Well, I mean, it's, it's a new episode every day, you don't know where it's going. And that's what happened on Mondays we get into our news notes of the day, Brodie van wagon and the general manager of the Mets came out, of course at a time when there's so much speculation about Mickey Callaway. Would he be retained as manager? Well, there was a plot twist Brodie van wagon and announce that you in assessment is got hurt on his ranch on Saturday night. We received news from him that he suffered an accident on his ranch in port Saint Lucie, and suffered ankle fractures. So he is here in New York. He's at HSS he's being evaluated and we'll have more information on his prognosis, and what, what his future is hopefully in the in the coming days. But right now that's that's the story from his standpoint. And what the information is that we have at this point in time. So our focus currently is to try to get him the best medical care. And then hopefully hopefully get a better idea of what this means for his future, both in two thousand nineteen and beyond. So Josh did you hear the interesting phrase right in there? That's his story to story. Wonder if you can read anything. There could be some more plot to it's coming up. And of course you Mike Puma does a great job covered the Mets for the New York Post tweeted out a little bit later that the Mets are looking into the language of cesspit his contract and determine whether or not they might have some relief in salary was violation of the contract. And the Mets should know this better than anyone Josh because, of course, the person negotiated the contractors Brodie van wagon and you don't say this is Asian. Look, you just can't make it up. He also Brody did said, Mickey Callaway is the manager for the foreseeable future. And we'll be talking about that coming up of Tyler Kettner who covers baseball for the New York Times. And that's Mets played the nationals last night. It was a little tense. There's stuff going on in that game out of meeting Todd Frazier got into a war of words. But in the end the Mets prevailed, the first pitch sip lives up to ventilate bay sent Carlos golden stores, third common expect bricks out of a one fifteen swinging at the first pitch. Patch slamming base it to center. Mutton take long Joni sip delivered so to spin. That was from WCBS Padres played the Diamondbacks and Fran mill risk and a big hit for the Padres in the bottom of the six swings at the first pitch and send it in the deep right center field. Dyson racing back looking up ago. Two run Homer for frame, Leo, raise any does change the game with one big swing Padres lead through to one just like that just aren't going to continue to get brand mill raise out the same way. From ninety seven point three, the fan, the Padres went to Chris paddock was outstanding. Again, six strong innings the Braves in the giants Ronald CUNY junior hat himself a day. Hi flied datacenter. Did he get another one Duggar all the way back at the wall climbs at it's outta hair? Ronald a kunia is putting on a show. It is a two outsold home run to center field. His eleven his second tonight, his third extra-base it and it's four to one Braves. Jim Powell on six eighty the fan, by the way, we've got the Braves Rowlett Kuni junior leading off against Louis Cardinals this we can on Sunday night baseball, the twins play the angels Miguel saying, no got a big hit in the top of the eighth. Mcgill is going to get a pitch to hammer this may be in too old count as Rosario stays in here calms. He swings launches high deep to right. Center field pack. It goes deep. It goes. Mcgill. Go ahead to run. Homer, you can't miss against this guy. Danny sitting to oh, and he did not. Corey Perovic Treasure Island baseball network. It was a tough night for the angels, as they lose three two one in the bottom of the eighth inning. They lost in consecutive at bats Shohei. Otani and Andrew Hilton Simmons to injuries. It doesn't necessarily look like the autonomy injury is serious. But yes with the Simmons injury. We'll be talking about that coming up with Tim Kirch in the Rangers beat the Mariners tend to nine but along the way, Mike minor set a record to pitch in the air short centerfield Gallo in Jewish left. Five shutout innings of the books tonight for Mike minor, and that's the one two three inning after four and a half. It's seven Texas. America del one five point three. The fan twenty nine consecutive, scoreless innings at that point for Mike, minor. The Phillies played the cubs in Wrigley field. Jake Arrieta came to the plate. He got a really nice ovation. The two teams would play into extra innings top of the tenth inning. JT real Mutoko Utah waiting on a one to pitcher comes swung on hit. Well let field the deep going back Schwaiger to the track at the wall. That's gone J T Bhutto has given the Phillies, the lead here, the top of the tenth inning solo home. Rod is six two. The year Phillies back on top five four. Scott France key sports radio ninety four WIP now it's about this time of year. It seems like every year that Oakland begins to gather momentum. Maybe that's starting to happen. Here's what Matt Chapman did on Monday night, Simeon first base with one out and change up his drill deep left back on it as ours. Looks up. At it's gone. It clears the nineteen foot high wall. It goes up the runway and out into the crowd key homerun for match shatman. It's number eleven as he burns Clifford, any scores Simeon in the as have extended their lead now to six three. Eight sixty a m the answer Oakland. Winds six to four. Yeah. The turnaround seemingly has started the Red Sox and the Blue Jays playing a one o'clock game on a national holiday in Toronto. Blue Jays fans really unhappy of Ladimir Guerrero junior was not the lineup. We'll be talking with him about that as well. For Jackie, Bradley jR a moment of damage doubt, the Seth pitch on the ways swung lifted in the air toward left field. Hit pretty good going back to track on the wall. He looks up and that ball is gone. It's outta hair. Bradley goes the other way. Opposite field home run today at eight to Red Sox. And they would win twelve to two that sound from w e. Satterfield kane. Of the day, you gave me today was in Baltimore, which is known by two Yankee fans as Yankee Stadium south because so many Anki fans go down to Baltimore to watch the keys usually beat up on the Orioles in this game on Monday night. The Orioles actually held a six to one lead. This is part of how they built delete and a pitch swing and a high fly ball centerfield that chases Hicks back on the warning track. At the wall, leaps. It's outta here for a home run, Concer a berko to the sod form. The Orioles lead is now three to one that was Jim hunter one zero five point seven the fan. But then the Yankees would come back towards one for three swings at the first pitch high Kleiber deep left center field. Spic weeks. He can't get it. This one is go home for glacier Torres. And it's now as seven to six ball game. Glacier Torres with his eighth Homer of the year. It's the Baltimore Orioles at described by Ken singleton on the yes network. The ankles were batting in the ninth inning still trying to come back. And this is what happened. Here's the three to pitch in. It's popped up. Severino behind home plate tosses away, the Basque Hege, Paul falls. He doesn't make the play. The bet will continue. The back continued the inning continued. This is what happened swan drew. It is. It's a three run home run. Pull the Santino to out night, that in three run blast that Gary is scary. It just doesn't seem right. Josh, the Orioles play the Yankees, these days, just seems like a cat mouse. Right. With a mouse is wounded and lying there. And then tries to crawl away and then cat is like Nope, sorry, you're not going anywhere. I thought you were trying to make fun of John sterling's, call there, I was gonna say Gary scariest probably his best call to be honest with you, but no you went into action. That's okay. Yeah. I won the direction of, of how dominant the eighties have been despite all their injuries as you say, John sterling on WFAN, one, other no dodgers pitcher Julio areas is to be reinstated as major league baseball continues to look into the incident that he was involved in recently. He was on leave for seven days, the most Mets day ever. Let's get to it. Dalla Kevin covers baseball for the New York Times is the author of the New York Times bestseller, K a history of baseball in ten pitches before we get to the Mets in all the Mets stuff Tyler has tour stuff going. It's an find BUSTER, thanks. Yeah. It's the books doing really well. And you know what? It's like put so much time so much yourself into it. You just wanted to come out. Right. And you want people to appreciate it the way that you wanted it to be viewed. You know, and that's happened so far. So it's so it's good. Thanks for asking then. Yeah, father's day's coming up. So gotta get that plug in there. Absolutely not fully endorse. That was was Monday, not the most classic Mets day ever. I mean, we'll get into specifics in a moment, but the from thirty thousand feet to me, it was like this was one of the all-time Mets days. Yeah. I mean you sitting there in that press conference, it's taking awhile. So you're figuring. Well, this is interesting that taken so long. And then when they all come in there, with, with Jeff and Jeff wilpon and Brodie van wagon in and Calloway, and various assistance, and think like, well, this is what it's going to be. Maybe they're they maybe they're making Maki a witness to his own execution. Or maybe they're going to make some sort of some sort of pitching guru for the organization or, or something. And then Brody gets up there and says, well, I, we're going to start off by saying that UNM hospitals. The had a fall a violent fall at his ranch, and he broke his ankles which turned out to be just one broken ankle but yeah, and then they won't tell us how he did it. And we sort of a SU them, it's a ranch, that's a horse. But so all we really knew yesterday is that he had a violent fall on his ranch, but not off a horse, but we can't say anything more than that, and it in determined. But I don't think. We're going to see him for while. Yeah. And in that description Tyler, I thought this was the most classic of that part of the description here was part of what Brody said to reporters yesterday in that press conference give listen right now that's the story from his standpoint. And with the, the information as we haven't this point in time. Yeah. So you have kids, I have kids, that's what you say. Well, that's his story and I kept waiting for him to say and he's sticking to it which the his warning right, there suggests that even he's not completely sure about what happened. Yeah. It's I started thinking of like Jif Jeff can't popping wheelies on his on his motorcycle. And then what was the key claimed that he got hurt at different way? I forgot how that washing his car, right. The car right? Yeah. I thought the guy that Rockies player who was carrying meat or something with Clinton Varmus or yeah. Yeah. So but is sued I'm sure the real story will come out doing it. I couldn't I tried it. Couldn't find it but I have someone with the Mets, and Mike, if, if, if he did. If he hurt himself in a way that you were okay with then why wouldn't you just say how he hurt himself and the person kinda rolled ties into said, well Brody handled that? So like no one was really. So I think there's more to the story. I don't know if they approved of what he was doing. You know, I don't know if it's gonna be an Aaron Boone situation when a member when he tore up his knee famously playing basketball and voided his contract, too big contract that you might wrist who knows. There's more to be heard. But as far as we know was off a horse, and that's what we know. Yeah. And a in keeping with the theme, this is so Mets, you know, I think Mike poma the New York Post was the first one to tweet at yesterday that, you know, the Mets are looking into the possible contractual relief and whether or not deal possibly void the contract. And of course, the way was suggested was they're going to look into the contract. Well, no one's gonna know the contract better than Brody. Wagon who negotiated as you went assessment his agents so that was plastic Mets. The whole thing, so weird incestuous because because Brody was the agent for these guys know he was the agent for canot. And I asked him about, you know, canot not hustling over the weekend. And but that's so much about the hustling. I'm like skies, not off to a very good start in the first year of your five year commitment to them, you know, what has given you reason to think that that was still a wise investment given up the big prospects, any, any sort of went right into agents, speak about how he has desire and, and talent health that he has it all in spades. And he's gonna be great. And he wants to be great. And it's like all right. You know, I I don't know. I mean it's just it's the whole thing's a little allot, unusual. And then, of course, the kicker is that canot after all it, not hustling bench, kind of convinced he was mainly going to be off because the left enter he comes up. He hit a pinch at double, and he goes, he goes home to second faster than he has a double in three years. Anthea coma brought it up to Mickey afterwards, just laughed enrolled as is at every. Oh, is that right? And he served so, well man, I guess he got the hint. Yeah. Make it up and I'm gonna get to that. But first, I want to cover what was supposed to be the headline event of the day, was, whether or not as you reference, whether or not Mickey Calloway, who's going to be retained as manager in Brody spoke forcefully about how hold the all organizations behind them. But again, the, you have to look at the particular words that are used we're gonna find out very soon how long the phrase foreseeable future actually, is because he didn't commit to Mickey for the rest of the year he didn't commit to win for a week. We don't know he's gonna last the homestand. We don't know if he's going to last month. What do you make all that? Because I feel like no they didn't really tell us anything about Mickey Callaway standing other than using the present tension. The Bill Clinton way he is the manager. Yeah, exactly. I you know, I we try to get an Tim down on what forseeable future meant he wasn't going there. And it just it's sort of struck me as look, it's, it's it's still early in the season. We're just not ready to concede. It anything's wrong yet because that would be kind of a drastic move to defy the manager forty five game into your tenure. You know, when I mean it's bad as it's been there twenty one and twenty five it's not like though teams ever come out of a twenty one to twenty five hole. So I, I just got to feel that they didn't want to at this point concede failure. But they just wanted to shut everybody out about the manager and to kind of say, all right. He's our manager and I don't know that it's gonna go away, if they lose ten in a row, or, you know, have another really really bad week. But I think they just wanted to change the conversation and they weren't ready to concede that things are really bad yet, because look, even if they wanted to start going at different direction making trades, they can't make a trade yet for a couple months or a month and a half or so. Oh, so stay the course and hope you mentioned Robinson. Oh, that whole thing was really funny because of course, on Sunday after the second incident which Robinson, keynote didn't run out of all Mickey Callaway was not critical of them. In fact, he kind of defended him to reporters on Sunday. But then when he spoke with you guys on Monday, he indicated that part of the reason why and you were in the room. You can tell me if my perception is wrong part of the reason why is that he was out of the lineup on Monday was because the fact that he hadn't run out balls. And he talked about how he Jin hee and Jim Riggleman their bench, coach had met with him. But then when you and others, one to canal canot didn't take that at all. He basically indicated that, that really hasn't come up in his conversation with Riggleman and Callaway. My right, right. When they discuss we told him, he was going to have to off. They didn't say anything about this is because you didn't run out of all it was they had been planning to have a day off. You know Mickey head. Circle. This said circle Mondays day offer Keno. He kind of said he should have given them off. Maybe Sunday just because he had played so many games in a row. But he said, you know, I haven't played Sunday and we'll, we'll give them up Monday because it's against Corbin is a good lefty. And, you know, so it was all kind of preplanned, and when they told canot that he was going to have this day off. They didn't present it as disciplinary booth. They just told him he was going to have a day off. And, and so does mine wasn't being disciplined. He was just getting a day off. And he said, you know, apologized to Moretti and, you know, we passed that and everything so can know and connotes my, he had addressed it with Mickey already, but this was not a disciplinary move to him. The timing of it was quite convenient to say that it was Larry and Mickey who has I say, sorta defended can on Sunday presented. It sort of as a disciplinary situation in the press conference. Yes. As one of the three was one of three reasons yet, but the others, being lefty. And just the fact that he played a lot of time in the rest anyway, tending while reason number two, he said, was the was the running out the balls everything. So now very convenient, I would say this about early van wagon in meeting with reporters I do feel like he absolutely owned his role in the two thousand nineteen Matt's when he was asked about his brash statements, he said, I don't have regrets from this off season. When I said, publicly and privately that I believe that we can create a contending team. I believe that wholeheartedly. I believed in it then, and I believe that there is still enough talent in this room to get back in contention this year I felt like Brody owned his role in the two thousand nine hundred nineteen as he should Tyler. How did you? You feel I agreed. And I think that it is his his vision was the Wilcox vision. The willpower did not want to concede. They wanted to go for it in a way it's kind of cool. So many teams tanking that the Mets, even though they had eight out of ten losing seasons. Now they didn't want to tear it down. They didn't have the stomach for that. So they hired a GM who share that vision and made a lot of moves to that effect and to produce credit, he, he is going to wear it and he said to, you know, he didn't say blame me because they're again, they're not conceding. But he said, this is my responsibility and me in the front office built this team. So I thought that was cool because, you know, to fire, Mick as Mickey the manager, I don't know. He's made some missteps for sure, but Mickey didn't construct this team. And you know didn't put all these over thirty guys on it. And I don't know. I mean I I'm I'm, I'm still not sure they're berry yet. I mean I, I look, they have they have four young position. Players who should be pretty good, you know, with allowance over sorry. Oh and, and Conforto Nimmo. Sa- veterans some good pitchers. I mean, I you know, I think they should be in the mix but whether they are not it's more on the GM the manager. Yeah. Brody also said this about the idea of finger pointing give a listen to this. We've experienced start to the season. That said, none of us are happy with that. None of us are content with, but the finger pointing is not going down the chain of command to the players. The coaches we built his team in the front office. We believe that this team has the ability to contend the same way. We, we said that in the off season loudly and proud. The accountability that that will ultimately fall on this team. I wanna place on my shoulders. I think that I was the one that put the put the effort into helping build this roster. I'll be the one along with the, the rest of the fraud, office team that will continue to make improvements of this roster as we go forward. So this is where I disagree with Brody on this, and I feel like that if they really wanna get away from being the dysfunctional Mets that they do need to get away from the finger pointing, which goes on. I know about ten ten days ago, two weeks ago, word emanated out of that organization in a way that a lot of stuff emanates out of the Mets organization that Mickey Callaway would be in trouble if they went through a rough stretch. Yes, there was finger pointing going on in that organization. And, and Tyler, I feel like it's been at the root of a lot of their problems, the finger pointing that goes on. The blame that goes on look, I have some pretty good guesses about what the where the root of. Of that. All is I can't say because I don't know, for sure. I don't think it's a coincidence, that on Saturday night every beat writer covering the team quoted as sources saying, well, Mickey's not going to be fired tonight. But we don't know about tomorrow that type of stuff has to end. And I felt like an I say, having covered George Steinbrenner at the tail end of his heyday, I didn't really I didn't cover him in the eighties when he was at right in the middle of that sort of stuff where he was a source and he was blaming the pitching coach or blaming the manager, blaming a player that sort of thing, so cancerous, and so destructive. And right now I feel like it's so Mets what do you think? Yeah. I think that seems like a pretty good read on it, you know, they're certainly trying to make efforts to get all everybody on the same page. I mean they had a meeting yesterday. They, you know in the in the clubhouse, wilpon was there and Jeff wilpon was there with Brody and, and Mickey and the players and they are some things out and they had internal meeting a week or so ago, you know, with the front office and Mickey to kind of try to get this thing. Right. You know, you hear like the more meetings, you have is, it's a bad sign, but at least they are trying to be on the same page and have a you know, a unified message and everything. But yeah, I noticed that, too, when, you know, when this reports started coming out immediately you save. He's not gonna be fired tonight, man. That was sort of as far as it went. So it's like you know, we'll, we'll see I it, I know what you're getting at, and it's, it's, it's a constant sort of swirl of of, of dysfunction there. But been a Brody the newcomer to this. And when you get back to it like they did in hiring Brody, they did do something that was quite different. And sometimes different can give you an edge and, and, and, and be helpful. So I give him a little bit of credit for, you know, for for for that higher. I don't know if it's going to work or not. But anytime you do something different. You should at least get a little bit of credit for for thinking differently and being bold and trying to do something that people haven't thought of before. Yeah. And so we'll see if Brody as he becomes embedded in this job, if he can get a hold of that destructive part of this organization if he can end that finger pointing because it's it has been a major problem for decades. Tyler thanks for doing this always love talk with. Yeah. Used to BUSTER. Thanks a lot. We'll be back in a moment of Sarah lines. But I, I wanna tell you about the XL listen up guys, if you big tall, you know what a pain it is to find clothes that fit. So a trip to D XL needs to be on your to do list. It DSL big and tall is all they do. 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But it was so I mean, just on a personal level, like the idea that the sky is rehabbing you on assessment as obviously rehabbing from surgery on both his heels, and he gets these ankle fractures. We don't know exactly how we were told that wasn't on a horse, but we don't know I think would be the proper way to put that. But God, this is so demoralizing, you know I mean on a personal level about a player who we've seen struggle a lot and is such an exciting player when he's healthy. But it's been so long. Now, Sarah, you're, you're about my age. Did you ever play mad libs? When you were a kid. Oh, yes. This story it seems like a mad lib story like UNM. Unco a fractures, both ankles, while on a horse like it just it doesn't seem. His best analysis. I've heard. Yeah. That's a great one is we were talking about what Tyler Kenner, you don't even know exactly what to take it face value, even Brodie van wagon yesterday. Well, that's his story and appeared said any stick into it would have been absolutely perfect. I'd say this just in appear just looking at it through pure analysis. I heard that, you know, his surgery last year was so complicated on those heels that there was a chance at that time that he was never even come back and be the same player. But now, you look at it, they haven't ruled out this year, fishery, but of course it doesn't look like he's going to play this year. He's going to be thirty four years old. When he comes back, next spring, if he tries to come back, it'll be twenty one months since he last played in the big leagues I feel like we may have seen the last of you in assessment is as ineffective major league player is that reasonable speculation learning. That's one of the first things I thought, you know, I mean, I was I'm concerned he won't play again. I don't have any real basis for that. Other than the fact that we know how involved the surgery. He was we know how long it took Troy till Lewinsky to comeback. And by the way, he got hurt again, very soon after and that, it just seems like you know, just doesn't feel like you can come back from it too easily, and definitely, it's hard to imagine him racing in a second on a double. Right. I mean hopefully he could have that power had some balls over the wall, hit some home runs, but it's just so hard to know a nut so long to be away from the team so long to end up de conditions even if someone does stay in shape, you know, these guys do try to stay in shape when they're out for injury. Like that. It's tough, you know, I'm really concerned we've seen the last of the electric, you know, an assessment us, especially somebody that big to me if he's going to come back infected player, he would have to lose like forty pounds. Very let's play the numbers game number three. Number three is fifteen so thinking of things that have gone well for the Mets of late and this year pita Lonzo his fifteenth career home run last night and his fifth. Eighteenth of the season, of course in the Mets game against nationals. That's already tied with Ron Swoboda in nineteen sixty five for the most first half home runs by any metric, and it's only may, you know Shea Stadium was harder. Hit home runs in maybe. Or you know, not everybody is up with the team at the beginning of the year. But the stat stance regardless, so if you're curious about the Mets rookie record for home runs. That would be twenty six by Darrell strawberry in one thousand nine hundred three no other metric has even hit twenty home runs in a season there bunch of deserving candidates in the National League rookie of the year we're going to get to two more of them in a second, but the only Mets position player to win Rickett here that would be strawberry in that nineteen Eighty-three season. The last met to win rookie of the year. Of course was Jacob degrom in two thousand fourteen number two. Number two, is ten so speaking of those rookie, they are candidates, ten is the number of stars. And Mike sirocco career where he's allowed one or fewer earned runs. He's only. Made twelve starts. That's the most starts of one runner fewer in a players. I twelve care games since earn runs became official in nineteen hundred nineteen. Nobody else has done that. And this guy he was electric last year and the end up missing most of the season with the right shoulder. Strain I was at his first major league game. It was a lot of fun as family was there with these big Canadian flags in Hugh people. Great pitch six six innings gave up one run. It was the day before my birthday, by the way. Anyway, he's back. He's still rookie of the year. Eligible he's been outstanding this year. We'll get to one more pitcher rookie to your candidate in a second. But this guy just been so good. He a one fifty nine opponents average one o one era. Eighty seven with the only Braves pitcher to win rookie. Dear was Craig kimbrel in twenty eleven in the last overall was, of course, kunia last year and sarokin not on your leaderboards, yet, if you're gonna go on your phone and check for all the stats he's like four inning shy of qualifying. But in his next start if he pitches, five. Settings. He'll he'll be on their number one number one is one fifty six. So I told you, we had one more and Elroy Qadeer candidate talk about and one fifty six is Chris paddock's, opponent, batting average a season in his first season on the begs the lowest opponent average for any rookie in qualified season for the whole year is one eighty two by Jose Fernandez, and twenty thirteen and Hideo Nomo nineteen ninety-five, obviously, it's only may paddock has a way to go. But he's way out pacing that and both of those guys for doesn't twenty thirteen in Nomo one nineteen ninety five one rookie honors and this applies to both sarokin paddock right now, honestly with the way they're pitching. But I wanna make sure we're all aware the only player to incite young rickety are in the same season was for Nando Valenzuela in nineteen Eighty-one. The only Padres pitcher to win rookie. Dear was Butch Metzger in nineteen seventy six when he showed the award with Pat, Zachary, and the last poject went overall was Benito. Santiago in nineteen eighty seven and I think it's so funny because entering this year, there was some hype around paddock, but we all thought for Netease junior is going to be the Padres rookie of the winner penciled in. It's ready to go. A lot of people had that and here we have someone else on that team who's in a great position. And now he's over fifty and as we talked about it you wonder if the Padres at some point again, if some really tough decisions about his innings limits. Sarah, thanks for doing this. Thanks so much for having me about sick. We'll be back in a moment with Tim coaching, but I, I want to tell you about Val Spar. Are you standing your deck this summer? Again, this time, maybe should try something that's staying changing Val Spar solid color stain. It's easy to apply all weather protection. That brings so much color and coverage to the party, you can bring out the color of the shutters, or the planters, or even your eyes. You'll love it guaranteed for ten years. Yeah, that's staging whilst bar, exterior state only at Lowe's. Rejoice TIMMY, tied, this great game or what with tin kurkin on baseball tonight and Tim Kirch covers baseball for ESPN and Tim. You're always go-to guy when it comes to history questions, and we got a great Bleacher tweet from Cal Benning who asked the question building on last Friday's Bleacher tweet as well as the current Twitter poll on yet here, Molina's hall of fame candidate city, can you rank these catchers and order of the most hall of fame. More the suit Tam rank order for hall of fame worthiness, Joe Mauer yada, air Molina, or hey, facade BUSTER Posey. Oh, god. This is the first question. I get out of the box. Good morning, Tim. Yeah. All right. All right. This is impossible. I'm gonna say Molina is going to be I eventually, not at the moment, but he will be the first of those four to go in Posey. Second Mauer third facade of fourth. So that's how I would rank them as far as where I think when they're done. They're going to be Molina. Posey second or third Passat port. Okay. So I think that when Melina hits two thousand hits he's got about one hundred more to go for me. That's pretty much going to clinch the deal could just knowing how writers are, and how they sort of you, these things. And benchmarks I feel like two thousand hits is a big benchmark for him. Tim. What do you think? Yeah. He just doesn't have enough offense at the exact moment. Now to say, yes, the hall of Famer everything else, of course points that way. And he's still a productive offense a player. Now fact their days, I think this is the best. I've seen him swing the bat in a while. And that's what he needs is just a few more. Gotta get to these big numbers if you're going to get in, and even though his numbers are everywhere offensively, I mean defensively two thousand hits would probably do it for him. Yes. So just hearing you sort of puzzle over that particular question. Want to let you know, I thought of an idea this morning was taking the dog at a walk this morning. I thought about coming up with the list of the top fifteen third baseman, basically come a fifteen names at each position currently in baseball and then present to you one position awake. Tim break down the top ten players at this position. What do you think? Yeah. That's, that's really great BUSTER. Let's do that at eight o'clock in the morning when I've got six hundred other things on my mind. Let's pick the fifteen best players at each position in order. Let's, let's be really fair about that. Yeah. I, I didn't think you'd be too thrilled about that fans in Toronto not too thrilled. Ladimir Guerrero junior was not in the lineup on Monday. The Blue Jays. You're playing a one o'clock game against the Red Sox at the Rogers centre because it was a national holiday in Canada and vitamer garage who had just been named the American League player of the week because he had four months last week. And he started doing the things we all expect him to do for the next fifteen years or so not in the lineup and Charlie Montoya, the manager explained to reporters, look, we, we need to work in off days form. He'd played sixteen straight days he had an injury in spring training. This is what was scheduled Vladimir Guerrero junior also mentioned reporters that yes in spring training aid. Of course it had you know the abdominal injury. And he understands why the Blue Jays are doing this Tim, I suspect, 'cause, you know, this is not just a manager's decision. This is an organization decision that if you were to give truth serum to, to Ross atk. Skains their general manager. Mark Shapiro club. President today. They probably would say, you know what we didn't put is much lauded into that, as maybe we should have a range of scheduled to make sure he plays on that day. What do you think? But you're flank is a national holiday in Toronto. That's how important he is to where that club is going to the people who come watch that team play yet look, I'm all for given players rest in this day and age even twenty year olds who are swinging it really well, I get it. But you have to be a little more judicious about what they do you give him off when you're playing an afternoon game on a Monday on a holiday in Canada year that the guy everyone wants to see has to be in the lineup. So you go to him and said, sorry, we forgot we were going to give you money off. But now we're gonna give you Tuesday off. It's that. It's that simple. That's what I think they should have done. And I think in hindsight, that's what they would have done if they could do it again. Yep. One hundred percent look over the course of baseball season. You'll back me up on this Tim. There are times when it kind of becomes groundhog day, right where the manager, you know, the. Players if you ask them. Hey, where are you guys going to be in three days? They don't know because it's just relentless with the day after day after day. And I think that times in there looking at it at ground level rather than from thirty thousand feet. What do you think? Yeah. Well, again, BUSTER, most of our managers now have have planned their lineups like a week in advance, you know, JD Martinez is getting Wednesday off and unless he wants Thursday off. But this is what I've got planned, and I again, I totally get it. But you have to you have to look every day and see how somebody's playing how the teams plan and then might change your plan our players need to know whether they're gonna play or not. But ultimately they're players they should do what they're told and get an off day. Or they're told you don't get an off day Sukru out. Do the best we can. So I saw this number last night said, a numbers and Cody Bellinger, and you're the first person I thought because I know you love numbers like these think about this Tim. We talk about. Cody Bellinger, improving as a hitter, Cody Bellinger in two thousand and nineteen when hitting and full counts this year, twelve for twenty eleven walks. Four strikeouts. Twelve for twenty eleven walks four strikeouts. He's batting six hundred in full counts seven forty two on base percentage, nine fifty slugging percentage. I think that's an indication that he's figured some things out. Yeah. He's figured so much out BUSTER and first off. He's got a beautiful swing to start with. So we're starting at a perfect spot for him now. He's now. He's figuring out how that's wing works. He's figuring out what they're trying to do to him. And he's got a plan every single night. I didn't think there was such a thing as a, a hitters plan years ago. And now with the way, we adjusting the way our hitting coaches are all over this stuff. There is a real plan in place. And, you know there used to be a day, also where you're gonna. Fastball on three two. Well, those days, don't exist anymore either, which is really impressive for a guy to be hitting that kind of those kind of numbers on that count, knowing I'm not getting fastball here necessarily, I'll probably get something off speed here on a three to count. So it used to be a day, where you'd look at that number say, wow, that depressive, but he knows that heaters coming there. And we don't know that anymore, which makes what Cody Bellinger is doing on so many levels really, really impressive labor Torres against the Orioles this year these numbers after last night's game. He seventeen for thirty five three doubles, eight homers, four walks, is hitting four eighty six with a slugging percentage of twelve hundred and fifty seven the Yankees, come back to beat the Orioles last night. And look, I know the Orioles are not good. They're not gonna be good for a long time. But I think we can say unequivocally now the Yankees have survived these early season injuries. What do you think? Right in glacier. Tour is been like the one constant everyone else has been hurt or slumping. And he's been great and Scott five multi Homer games already BUSTER in his career. He's twenty two years old. And what he's done to the Orioles over four straight games. It gets you Oreos being he, they have survived in part because he's been so good. And not just at one position but at to if they needed him, which they did briefly. That's why the Yankees are where they are is that the bench has been so great. But the few guys who haven't been hurt like labor Torres have kept them afloat to be one game ahead in their division at this point. I don't care. What kind of schedule they played is miraculous, and tourism's? Right. The middle of that. So you are in Chicago tonight. You're going to be broadcast in the game between the Phillies and the cubs last night in Wrigley field. Jake Arrieta got a great response from cubs fans. This is what it sounded like at Wrigley field. Folks standing up for Jake? Dorm if she walked back down the mountain. This is nice. Yeah. So that was Tom McCarthy NBC sports. Philadelphia describing that moment, the big cheer Jake took his batting helmet. Offi waved to the crowd. I love the fact Tim you Dr stepped away from the rubber to give him an opportunity to have that moment. Right. It was tremendous. And Darvish, it said the day before talking about area said, look, he's a legend in this town, and we all need to respect that basically. And then he showed it last night, which was so impressive. And just another reminder, a good Cup fans can be and they waited so long Jake Arrieta had so much to do with them winning the World Series. He had so much to do with elevating that team and we can't forget BUSTER that Cy Young season and then half of the next season, just how brilliant that guy was. And he's never lost sight of the fact that he loves Chicago. He loves that ballpark doesn't mind, telling people that still even though he's on another team. And I think that's all healthy. And that's the way it should be every cub fan in their nose. Jake arrieta. Tries works like almost no pitcher we've ever seen as far as getting his body and shape and getting ready to compete. So here's my theory before we move onto the angels, and how luckily. They've been when it comes to the cubs and the two thousand sixteen team that won the World Series I think they're going to be two statues. They're gonna come off that team one is going to be Joe Madden. At some point, you're going to have a statue Joe man around Wrigley field in the other one, I think is going to be Anthony Rizzo at the moment. He caught the ball and the cubs win the World Series and his arms are outstretched. What do you think? Yeah, that's the perfect one and and well as these running. See they should have the ball in his back pocket because. Amazing to me that through all of that heat thought I'm gonna put this in my pocket. So I don't lose it because this is history in the making, so it's, it's the perfect as Bryant is running towards him. And he's running towards Bryant these great corner guys who had everything to do with that last out. Let's see Anthony Rizzo racing in your right in a monument in the statue with a baseball on his back pocket. That would be perfect for me. And if Kris Bryant stays with the cubs, maybe he gets a statue in the look what have to be as he throws the ball. You remember he had that grin on his face, which is he told reporters he didn't know that he was smiling, but it was just beaming as he threw that ball. Yeah, I'm not sure he was desperately spinally yet. I think that was a look of, please get to first base safely here at work at a win the World Series that was that was a an epic look on his face and what finish. That was so I mentioned the angels being luck. Klis last night in the eighth inning. They lost players and consecutive at bats Shohei Otani was hit by a pitch on his right. Ring finger, the x rays were negative. We'll get more information on that today, the angels are more concerned about what happened with Andrew Jackson Simmons give listen, Tim Chopard of the right shot Hoste deal feeds Rogers and not an easy place, Simba goes down, and he may bay heard upsell. Extremely tough plays. You're trying to beat that one out. He looks looking hurt his leg. Yeah. Rolled in ankle, badly Tim, that from angels television. He they get x-rays. They didn't find any fractures, but he sprained the ankle they're going to get more information later today. I've got to the point with those type of injuries him. I, I don't even like looking at it. Like when I see a headline on a basketball player, you know, suffers a language. I don't even want to see it and I felt the same way with that play last night about Simmons in part because you just hate looking at somebody in agony. But the other thing, too, is you just heartbroken for the guy. Right. He's such a good player, and you're right BUSTER, whenever I hear, he rolled an ankle, I refuse to watch it under any circumstances because on my tiny little level. I've done that a couple of times it's pain is immeasurable. It's so bad. And if you roll it badly enough BUSTER, you're going to be out a month if it's black and blue all the way around that ankle, it's going to be a while before he's able to play. Now I hope it's not that bad for him. But he's also such a good guy BUSTER. I was at the Orioles. The other day when the angels were in and Amerson Simmons walked by a heading towards the batting cage, and I just casually said, hey, you doing. He said, good. Just trying to figure out that hitting thing again. That's. It's what he called it, it was beautiful at every hitter, the big leagues knows exactly what he's talking about even though to ninety one at the time and had done some pretty good things. He called it that hitting thing he has to go figure it out again in the cage because he lost it for a moment. That's how hard hitting is. That's how much that guy cares. And now it appears the angels going to be out without him for awhile. And that's the. Loss for them as they started to make a little move in stand. And before we go, I want to give you some advice, it probably comes too late. I don't know if you notice this or heard about this team but I'm the reigning champion of the president's race because a likeness of me wind up winning a relay in the president's race. And of course, I thought a you, and when you ran in the sausage race in Milwaukee just a, a piece of advice, if you get that offer again, let somebody else, run the race in a costume with your name on it. Tim. Yeah, I BUSTER. I'm well aware that your head won the race. Okay. And you don't have to mind me. I will never get in one of those costumes. Again, I told you the story overnight, I tried on the hot dog costume. The KAI was reading the thing told me, you know, this is built for a big people to run in these and you're not very big don't be like there was about that. So I run the worst race ever. And I don't know though this part I walked in the clubhouse after the game as Ron porter. Now. Because I covered the game Kyle Loesch announces to the entire brewers clubhouse there. He is the worst hotdog racer of all time. That's how I get announced when I walked into the club house. And then I go to the truck afterwards to, you know, to say hi to everyone after the game. And we're having a post game meal and we're having sausage from the sausage race. It was. My entire life. I hope it never happens again. Yeah. And I had the greatest night of my life because I won the president's rates Tim. That's how it goes down in the record books. Right. I won it was awesome. You should be so proud BUSTER, really with the new capital on saver card. You can earn four percent cashback on dining and entertainment. That means four percent on checking out that new restaurant. Everyone's talking about and four percent on watching your team when it home. You'll also were in two percent cashback, grocery stores and one percent on all other purchases. Now when you go out you cash in what's in your wallet. Bleacher tweets clearing out the rest of the Bleacher tweets BUSTER we begin with this one from Michael Preston at MC p nineteen Seventy-nine. Michael says the Yankees now hold first place in the American League east, if they're healthy by the all-star break is there any way they should not be the World Series favorites given their star lineup and rotation. The fact that it should be the freshest in the majors. Michael, it's a fair perspective and you're wrong. The Houston Astros are the World Series favorites right now. They are an absolute steamroller. It'll be interesting to see you know, as the get some of their guys back like Didi, gregorius gonna stay healthy as Giancarlo Stanton comes back. Is he really truly healthy? You know, Aaron judge we heard from Carlos BELTRAN recently that he thinks that Aaron judge is going to be battling this injury all year. So it will be interesting. Plus I do think that before the trade deadline, you're going to see both the Astros and the Yankees as well as teams like the Red Sox make addition, so the team's going to look a little bit different you agree with me, Josh. No, I definitely agree with you. But under stinking if things shake out the way that it looks like they will now and we're not even to Memorial Day yet. But can you imagine a an Astros Yankees ale CS all kidding aside? That would be really fun. That'd be a great man. I'll Red Sox Red Sox. Astros would be fantastic results. Yeah, but, but look, the Astros owner different place. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Like they're healthier. I think there are better team than they were last year. Let's not forget Rena bananas. Minnesota Twins true, who are who are merely killing a ball better than any other team putting them on the air. And can you imagine if they go out and make a trade for like a Bumgarner sure with a deadline sure added that rotation that, that will be a really interesting team? Meanwhile, you and I just dismissing the raise at this point. I know I had him ranked number one in my power ten for so long. And now I don't even mention them. Go figure LA bum is next at DAT LA bomb says hey guys since most sports writers embrace analytics shouldn't there just be an agreed upon war formula that determines the MVP Cy Young rookie of the year at cetera. So what you're suggesting debt LA bomb, is that the ranch LA BUSTER? Okay. Well, I just I like Los Angeles that come on. All right. I know come on. So what's your basically suggested that the writers, would adopt a formula that would take the writers in a writer's award out of the equation that ain't happened? And the other thing too. And I think you'll agree with me on this. The Mariana Rivera hall of fame candidacy was the only thing that writers ever agreed to ever. Right, right BUSTER. What's it saying? The dodgers caps. Dude. Just move along. Okay, Christopher shields at Christie underscore shields. If you're the president of baseball operations for a new expansion team. Who would you appoint a skipper from the current crop of free agent managers, guys like Buck Showalter Joe Girardi? Or maybe there's a rookie out there who hasn't gotten a shot yet that you'd like to give an opportunity to it's interesting. I had this conversation recently with Matt leaders who used to play for Buck Showalter. We both agree that I mean show Walters had an amazing career as a manager, but you could see him being part of a leadership group for baseball ops, and that's not to say Joe Girardi in couldn't do that sort of job. But Buck Showalter has done that with organizations repeatedly like from the ground up. He's he helped to build a diamondback important. That's part of his resume. Yeah. No, you're not gonna get me to say anything to make me Johnny Johnny super scout. And I, I like my chances Brett Carro finally love this question at Carrow Brent if you had to have one announcer call a pivotal play. All time who would it be? It has to be Vince Kelly because you'd think about all the great calls he's already had. One ball and no strikes Aaron waiting. Veep and straight away fastball. Better field goes back to the. For baseball. What a marvelous moment for Lanta and the state of Georgia. What marvelous moment for the country in the world up? Black man is getting a standing ovation in the deep south for breaking a record of an all time baseball idle, and it is a great moment for all of us, and particularly for Henry Aaron. So the winning run is at second base with. Three and two. Little roller up along first behind. Year has been so improbable. Yes. Oh, Brett, it has to be been Scully in my Josh. What do you think? Yeah. I mean, you it's sacrilege to argue for anybody other than VIN Scully throw a couple other names in their Bach. Obviously euchre perhaps. But there's one guy who I really think would do a phenomenal job with any pivotal moment. Bustard you know where I'm leaning. Well, you could go in one of two directions. Go ahead. This is a play from this season. April eleventh, the three one pitch swing. Bright field. Back. Why here gone for Martine him Toby territory, near the back of the lower deck, and right to nothing Indians. That's leoni. Definitely onus, Martine home run from April eleventh, twenty nineteen BUSTER. If you get that kind of enthusiasm for Leona smart home run in the middle of April. Imagine what you'd get for something that actually really left a stamp on the history of the game. Yeah. You and I have talked about that Tom Hamilton the Indians play by play man on radio. What it sound like the won the World Series for the first time since nineteen forty eight and Tom Hamilton's voice at the moment that, that happened. Yeah. I bet he's got something in mind. I baseball fan. Yeah. Certainly going into game seven in two thousand sixteen at an opportunity to think about that. But I also wondered if we're going to go in wreck Ted light and are giving recent conversation. Yes, your guy. I knew you thought, that's where I would go, but I three a little herbal. But yeah, like I said about Tom Hamilton. 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Effectively Wild Episode 1577: Chaos Theory

Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast

58:45 min | 8 months ago

Effectively Wild Episode 1577: Chaos Theory

"I. Myself to. A. Own. Welcome to Episode Fifteen, Seventy, seven, and the fact of the wildly baseball podcasts from fan graphs presented by our picture and supporters. I am of the ringer joined by ESPN's similar Hello Sam. Hey Ben. So you know a few months ago when people were talking about whether sports could come back should come back, etc. One of the things people some people would say is, Oh, it would be such a welcome distraction from all the sort of sadness going on, and then there was the was that discussion of whether whether there should a distraction or whether it was actually. It it's actually like something that we should be in national. Mourning and paying a great deal of attention to and and I saw both both sides of of that being debated in public and I think that what we can say a few weeks into the season is that there has been nothing remotely distracting about the season from covid like you watch the games and you just like the whole thing is just as giant flashing reminder. So like gardening for instance could be a distraction from from covid because you're just out gardening. But when you turn on the baseball game, it's just like screaming you know everything's destroyed and I think that the peak of that for me so far was a couple of days ago when the mets broadcasters in the middle of. Of. A typically creepy eerie game were discussing whether there would ever be handshakes again in the World Anti Keith Hernandez came down there will never be another handshake like we're like as as a as a species we have moved on from handshakes there might be hugs but he wasn't willing to say but definitely the handshake era which lasted. Like like what? How many thirty, five, thousand years or something is is over don't know when the firsthand was shook. that. So that's what we're discussing during ball. Games. Just your idle banter between pitches. Yeah. I felt that way to their moments where I get engrossed in a game and I'm just thinking about that game but it wasn't as if every single waking second of my life was devoted to thinking about covert before. So I don't know if it's crowded out everything else and and it wasn't only covid that people were talking about baseball or sports. Being distraction from but yeah, that's true. I mean. You can't look at the standings and see some teams with very few games played or all the players who've opt out or on the injured west or even just pitcher's getting hurt because of the strange structure of the season or all the other ways that it's weird without being reminded of that. So I agree it's not as if we. All just bushley forgotten everything because baseball's back and now everyone's talking about bubble plan for the playoffs. Jeff Passan has reported that that's being discussed. So yet it's a constant concern of course. Yep. So I wanted to ask whether you think we've reached the point where certain teams should be acting any differently because of how they have started the season I guess the most likely candidates for that. Would beep say the rockies and the Tigers as we speak right now they have raised their playoff odds the most of any team since the start of the season, the rockies right now are more likely than not to make the playoffs and the Tigers have had a winning team to, and so that's kind of put the pressure on them to call up Casey is, for instance they seem. Like they could maybe use some help in the back of the rotation and before the season started when people were saying, oh, the tiger should go for it. They should call up manning and they should call up and they should just really give it their all because it's a short season or the orioles should call it badly richmond or or whatever I thought. Well, yeah maybe if they. Get out to upgrade start or something. I don't know that I would change the way that I was going to go into the season because it's a sixty season. But if you happen to fluke into a winning quarter of a season, let's say or who knows maybe it's not a fluke but those teams have done that at this point and there is a trade deadline coming up as. Strange as it is to think about that in just a what three weeks less than three weeks now at this point, and so if you were one of those teams that's off to a start where you can be kind of competitive and have real measurable playoff odds, would you adjust your thinking based on that? What you call up your prospect? WHO's at the alternate site to wasn't part? Of Your plans just because pay you had a few hot weeks and suddenly things are looking realistic. So before I answer that last year at the trade deadline, the reds traded for Trevor Bauer and they had now that was of course, not just for last year that was for for last year a little bit, and then for for this year a lot the giants as we remember. To make some trades but to not punt the whole season, they kept some very good players or I guess some some tradable players and decided that since they were over five hundred and they were in the wild card race, they weren't going to give up and they had six percent playoff odds last year. So the reds had five percent playoff odds at the deadline. The giants had six percent playoff odds diamondbacks similarly, they traded Zach grank, but they also added that Guy WHO's been on every team Mike leake Mike leake they added Mike leake instead what you WanNa guess who I almost said. Who Mike Lee is confused with Kyle Loesch is almost said a-. Anyway, so those teams that decided that they were kind of in it at five percent, six percent and ten percent not totally inept at kind of in it right now, the orioles are at six point, five percent play on it so that just to put that into perspective, the Orioles who started the year has basically the one team that was getting no boost from the expanded playoffs in the short season. They were I think one percent they had gone from from like zero point two to one with the expanded playoffs and from of course zero point zero, zero, zero, zero, zero point two with the shortened season they are now up to six point five percent and anyway to answer your question. Yeah they the tiger should, of course, they should be going for it. My belief of thought a lot about what the stakes of the season really are and what I've come to believe that losing will not really hurt anybody. Nobody's GONNA be too upset when they. Lose I think that like even the dodgers and the Yankees when the moment comes, they get knocked out they will not be that disappointed that they got knocked out. They will be all of the disappointment that the that we had an anonymous season will sort of come crashing down like Dorien gray on them and they will feel a great let down by the season itself but not from necessarily from getting out of this weird thing I think all twenty nine teams we'll just go. Okay. Well, we did that and they'll go home but I think the champion. For the most part feel pretty normal I. think it's all upside as far as the winning part of the playoffs part. So I don't think that it's GonNa feel bad for the Tigers particularly, it'll be silly they'll feel a little silly don't feel bashed, but they'll be happy and they'll take it now. Anyway, that's not the main reason they should go for it go for it because October is going to be so fulfilling there's decent chance will never get to October that there won't even be A. Plus a decent chance but the reason they should go for it now is because there's a decent chance that next year is GonNa look a bit like this one that it will also be odd for various reasons not I mean certainly not a a certainty, but there's a decent chance that next year is also shortened. Next year also has travel restrictions that next year also has weird rules were some teams are only playing other teams in games aren't getting made up in the stands are either empty. or or only like twenty, five percent full and cheering is not allowed. There's all sorts of scenarios where like there's no promise that if you punt this year for next year that you're GonNa, get the payoff that like say the two thousand Thirteen Astros could count on back in the more normal times. Yeah. And their new minor league games going on a if you're Casey is presumably you're getting some development in because you're at the camp and you're playing some sort of baseball and doing drills so. You're getting some development there. It's not like you're one of the minor leaguers who's just sort of sitting at home but I think they should go for it just because it would reflect poorly on them competitively speaking if they didn't I think you could make the case that it's such a weird year. It's not really worth going for because WHO's GonNa put much stock in winning anyway. But if you're a team that is kind of the Tigers are past the low point of their rebuild I think. You wouldn't say that going into twenty, twenty, one, necessarily their favorite I mean they could have a chance of some of their top prospects are ready. But if they were to win this year, it wouldn't be like up tigers are ready they have made it through and now they're good. Again, it would be like wealth. They weren't really expected to be good right now but you. Kind of lucked into a happier that shortened the rebuilding by a pit and so I think you're fans would feel sorta cheated if they had that hot start and you had these strange circumstances that conspired to give them a real chance and they didn't take advantage of that and that might stick with them more. So than just losing season, would you know if you ignore that? That is given to you and you don't call the Guy Maybe you'll be happy that they didn't call them up several years down the road when you have an extra year of that guy. But I don't know it might stick in your cry even more that there was that chance and you didn't take it. So I think that they should do whatever they can reasonably do to sustain this. Yeah. One last thing too is I'm not optimistic. I mean you just heard me I'm not even that optimistic about twenty, twenty, one I'm certainly not optimistic about October by any means. But there is also a possibility that the country makes significant strides between now and then and that by October we are enjoying this a bit more that I mean you know if you look at countries that went from lockdown to sports, you know to save sports like in in Europe or maybe elsewhere, you can make a lot of progress in six weeks. If you do everything right now again, we're not on path to do that but like I'm looking at Arizona's cases per day and a month ago, they were at four thousand cases a day and it was really terrible terrifying. And now down to thousand cases a day I don't even know what Arizona did but presumably they closed their bars and they convince people to wear masks and when you do that, you sleep a lot of progress has made, which is to say that there is some chance not not a great deal chance. I'm not optimistic. You know there's a motorcycle rally going on with a quarter million people right now and smash mouth so I'm I would say that I'm pessimistic bordering on hopeless depressed but there is a chance that October is fun and you might just if you're a Team, that has a chance to be there that feels like, wow we're really sort of sleepwalking through this weird season right now it's hard to get excited about these games. You're not getting any real feedback from what you're doing and I don't know if it's if if it's a good time for them, you might be thinking that October could be a good time and you want to be there for that. So to be there for that, you have to make the playoffs. You don't want to be one of the teams. It doesn't make the playoffs when suddenly were having some fun. If that happens which again like two percent chance of that that's lower than the Orioles playoff odds but it's out there. And the other thing I wanted to mention you briefly brought up Trevor Power and a lot of people have been bringing up trevor? Bauer. Lately, because people have noticed that his spin rates have spiked massively and this is not a new thing, he actually started doing this last September and it was very glaring and obvious but people didn't really notice because he had his full seasons been rates at that point he had of work with his old spin rates and. then. Suddenly it seemed like he started experimenting he may have started using some sort of sticky substance on his fingers which he has often talked about other pitchers doing and has demonstrated is effective when it comes to raising your spin rate and people have written about that Ben Clemens wrote about it for Fan Crafts I wrote about it for the ringer before the season started. But now that he is off to this fantastic start, he is tied for the war. Lead among pitchers he has the highest strikeout rate in baseball among starters. I strikeout minus walk rate etc and everyone is noticed suddenly that his spin rates have increased by hundreds of revolutions per minute and it is very suspicious. Suffice it to say there's no proof of anything. But Bauer himself has said in the past that there's no way to raise your spin rates naturally by that amount and that he has done it in the lab he's done it off. The field and demonstrated that you can't do it and that there's no other way that you can do it, and so the implication is that he has done it whether to prove a point who knows or whether just because he wants to be good because he is going into free agency and wanted to pull out all the stops who knows but people have written articles about his been rich people have written articles about the reds spin rate as a whole and. How you handle that as an ob because you have on the one hand, not a smoking gun but about as close to that as ever going to get handed because many pitchers have been using this stuff on their fingers since they got into pro bowl if not, even before it's very common. Bauer, himself estimated that what seventy percent or seventy five percent of pitchers are doing it, and when I was writing about it earlier this year people I talked to set even higher than that. It's just so incredibly commonplace but MLB has said that they want to curtail that or radical it entirely, and maybe that is by legalizing it in some way maybe they just say, okay, everyone's allowed to use this certain substance and it's just there on the mound and have at it or maybe they can come up with a ball. That is Paki enough that you don't need the sticky stuff because pitchers will say, oh I, need it to control the ball I don't WanNa hit anyone betters will even say that anyway MLB has suggested that maybe they could use spin rates that you get from stat cast to monitor this, and if someone has a huge increase of a sudden, that's something that could maybe lead to a warning or at least telling empire. Hey, go check this guy you know I talked to some officials at MLB who've said that they could consider. Doing that and here you have Trevor Bauer and he's not necessarily succeeding right now because of whatever he may be doing he has, of course been good before when he didn't seem to be using that stuff and he wasn't great last September when he was doing whatever he is doing now. So it's not really a direct correlation, but it's suggestive at least and so I wonder if you have a pitcher like Bauer, let's say that continues to pitch. Well, maybe he contends Versus Young Award and meanwhile the discourse about him is. Hey. Look at this massive increases. Spin rate. That sure is suspicious. What would you do if you were say the person that MLB whose job it is to police that would you tell an empire? Hey, check this guy out 'cause the sure looks odd. Would you want to catch a a player in the act is awkward because it's power and you know he is one of the most outspoken players and he is to make the salad out him and roast you for whatever you do or you make an example of him well. On rules like this, that MLB doesn't really want to enforce a main downside for MLB is that if they don't enforce the rules than some sort of form of vigilantism will happen instead and Bauer is, of course, almost taunting the world if rain this is what's happening. Now, of course, it's conceivable that in fact he did he did figure this out that he i. Mean you laugh like what he was trying to do it it's not like it wasn't his goal to figure out how to ads been, right? Right? Yeah. You can't assume if somebody is trying to do a thing and they do it. Then you at least some party you has to say will that that is what they were trying to do. That's it is not. Irrational that they would be working toward that outcome. So so at least you have to I, mean have open that possibility that he has been trying to figure out how to add spin rate in a normal way and he might have done it but. Let's assume he doesn't dead take probably be telling everyone fell maybe probably it does seem like it has been in his traditionally when he has he has not kept his things secret like now specifically, you would expect most players to maybe not if they in they had the golden grail holy grail golden something then golden ticket, they would keep to themselves to keep it secret but. He hasn't typically done that. So anyway, let's just assume though that let's just assume for the sake of this hypothetical conversation that, yes, he is adopted the methods that he had been accusing other people doing, and let's just even further assume that he is going to start taunting everybody more directly and start like putting codes into his podcasts and things like that Youtube. Channel podcast YouTube channel. Both. Then you would worry that the League would have to step in if there started to be some sort of physical retaliation against the reds over this they, they have an obligation to protect the players and what they don't want to see is is a that sort of ugliness if that's not happening in the League is not prepared to enforce this rule, which they have known that they have known players have been doing this fairly openly for years and they haven't wanted to enforce it and they presumably don't want to. Enforce, unless they're forced to I think that they just have to not enforce it and know that the other team has the option of asking the Empire to check. So as long as the other team is not asking the Empire to check the pitcher which they have the right to do which they could be doing. Then I think you have to assume that the other team is making their decision for them. They're willing they're willing to sort of go into the into the competition with this even playing field even. Equal equal cheating. That is accepted by both sides. Yeah. That's true. That's a good point. Other teams could say, and usually they don't they've always had that option, but often they don't because they know well, if we make them check their guy than they might retaliate and make us check our guy and our guys probably doing it too. So that's a problem. In this case, there's a possibility that bowers just doing it better than most people are because he has come up with some special mix. You know he has talked about how he is created combinations of substances that produce a great effect when he is tested it, and so it's possible. That other guys are just getting their sticky stuff off the rack and he is in the lab tinkering for the perfect mixture, and that's why he has had this very dramatic improvement may be as he is getting a greater improvement than the typical pitcher does when they use foreign substances and in that case, you might say, well, even if it hurts us, it would hurt them more for him to lose this ability and so it would be worth checking but I do wonder 'cause mopey sent to a memo around this spring and there is some discussion of do they mean it? Are they really serious but it suggested that they Were really going to be kind of cracking down on this and monitoring it more closely, and if you want anyone to believe that that's true and that there are any teased this, then I feel like you can't just this seemingly not conclusively. But possibly blatant example of someone starting to use something go by without even making any attempt to stop it and you know for all. I know they've warned them maybe they've said something to him I have no idea but it is something that I wonder as he continues to pitch. Well, he does it seems like more and more people are noticing this and bringing it up and it. would be kind of a constant storyline for the rest of his season. So curious to see how that goes an yeah. He has not talked about it recently as far as I know when I was writing during Spring Training, I requested a conversation with him about it and he was not interested. He declined at the time and I believe Jeff Passan also tried to talk to him about what happened with him last September and declined that request to so he has suddenly seemingly gone silent on this topic, which is somewhat suspicious given how open he's been about it before. But again, we shall see. All right. Let's answer some emails. This is a question from Daniel and this was sent before the season started I think he says so with of this time away from Sports I've done a lot of thinking about just what I love about them while I know that you guys have covered this episodes before in various amounts I'm more interested in how you feel about projections and what pleasure you derive from them on the one hand when I listened to you guys particularly. Ben. You seem almost thrilled when a player bucks the projection that was expected of him on the other hand I can't imagine that you'd Enjoy A. World in which every player does the opposite of what they were expected to do Mike Trout at the bottom of a world leader board. So in each of your perfect worlds, how accurate do projections need to be in order to continue to enjoy them how much chaos you want in your baseball lives, and of course, we are in the midst of the most chaotic season we can recall. So I guess this is a good time to talk about this. My trout by the way is not currently at the bottom of the war leaderboard, but I don't know have you noticed that he has. Severely negative drs in yeah I have which. Has Been Great Right as ominous as great and so you know fifteen games of D. R.. S. He hasn't even played. Fifteen Games is arguably nothing combination of an odd series of attempts that were presented to them or it could be I mean it could be any sort of number things. You would. Not. What I'm saying is you would not take it seriously but the point is that the moment might trout's wars is is frustrating me. CHEF. Sullivan had a tweet that I think about a lot is June eleventh two thousand eleven a little less than a month before might trout debuted and when he was the greatest prospect anybody ever seen exaggerating there but not by much and he tweeted baseball would be so much more interesting. If might trout failed. And I think about that tweet all the time because I wonder if Jeff the leaves it. Now at the time we thought might trout would be a star a pretty good. I mean, we thought he'd be a star. He was the best prospect in the game and four the best player in the game you expect I don't know you're thinking well, he might have how what? would. You guess the median if you count people who who, who, if you don't count people who failed like that the people who actually failed which not naming names here but some top prospects in baseball actually do fail. But for the most part they don't they have long careers and probably the median war for those players is like out on a forty or forty, five war and. Some of them are what you're really thinking that you're GonNa get a perennial MVP candidate and maybe you're thinking seventy or eighty war hall of Famer and you don't expect a player who's the the greatest player through age twenty eight in history and and is on pace to maybe have one hundred and forty four. So I wonder if Jeff still feels that baseball would actually be so much more interesting if might. Trout had failed I. think that probably not I think that saying for the most part is that there's a certain amount of joy when a projection nails player like right on the dot there is a even better joy when a player dramatically outperforms yet like a Max Muncie or might trout might trout his dramatically outperforming his projections and it's been Super Fun and I think that there is very rarely much pleasure in. Seeing a player underperform you need to have enough so that it's somewhat interesting so that there's tension the sport has tension but I think that I don't take all missed projections equally is what I'm saying yeah. Well, even if might trout where just a garden variety great player then maybe you could make more of a case that it would be more fun if he had failed just because there are. A lot of cart variety great players says what guard riding means, but Mike Trout is just so singular that that has been maybe the greatest source of joy in baseball for me since he came up and one thing that is probably the one thing, and so certainly would not want to sacrifice that under any circumstances but I think it's true that baseball is probably more entertaining if some top prospects l. you do. You do need to have some. It's true. You're right. Baseball is much more interesting because filling the blank whoever you're thinking of right now failed it. Yeah. It just is more interesting than because of that because of. I mean there are especially because you know every failure, every great player who doesn't develop every player who gets old super rapidly it's its own kind of story it. It's different reasons. In fact, it can be harder to explain it is harder to explain it's a lot harder. I. Still Find it harder to explain brandon would than might trout and I said the name. Were thinking I was. Only because I knew you were. Written about him before but life. But yeah. Yeah I think you want some joy when a player does turn out to be great and if every player who was supposed to turn out to be great turned out to be great then wouldn't be special. You need some uncertainties of unpredictability. There has to be some danger and some tension and some chance that that players not gonna pin out or else. Well, we saw this coming ten years ago and La Di da he's. He's great. So that's true and it can be sort of fascinating to contemplate how an individual player failed when he had everything going for him and maybe you learned something from that specific case or maybe you never do and it just remains a mystery forever but I agree with you that it is far more exciting on the whole when a player comes out of nowhere and Gets good. All of a sudden and no one was expecting that player to be goods that was kind of the type of player. The MVP machine came out of that's why we were all so enamored and remain enamored of rich hills and others like him who just had a breakout when no one was expecting one and baseball is far far more fun because they're guys like that and so yes. When some players bucked the projections in that way, I, love it on the other hand if it were completely random and if nothing were predictable, then it would just be like a bunch of ping-pong Paul's and one of the draft drying machine served the lotto machines it would just be. I guess it would be still exciting. It's exciting if you win the Lotto but I think if everyone were just kinda bouncing around and some guys happen to be good and others didn't happen to be good and there was no rhyme or reason to any of it, then it would all just feel so chaotic that I would enjoy that either. So there is that season which isn't was it. One of the recent several seasons when the standings were upside down rate and the upside down standings were closer to the preseason projections than the actual standings it was like everything was reversed at. least for I don't know half the season or something and that was really weird I. Think it's nice to have a season like that every once in awhile but I do value some order in the world and I like the teams that I think are good to be good for the most part and so yes i. want some flop teams and some surprise teams. But again, I, want to feel like I understand the rules of the sport and that I know what I'm seeing here or else it would all be so incomprehensible to me that I could actually enjoy anything that happens. And I don't think baseball has really gotten any more predictable or much more predictable when Jeff Usta. Posts about preseason projections, and he had collected all the projections back to the beginning of the projections era, which is only like two, thousand five or so it's not a huge simple but there wasn't really any indication that projections had gotten more accurate in recent years and there's so much inherent randomness and baseball that you might not be able to tell anyway because there's just going to be a certain amount of miss every year even if you predicted everything. Perfectly you can't predict luck and random variation and so there's enough of that baked in that were not at the point where I feel like things are getting too predictable or we have stack cast stats in vets projections, and so I feel like it's all solved and I'm just watching something play out that I already saw on the preseason projections or something we're not even remotely close to that and I don't feel like we're even getting closer to that. I Read A. Thing, recently, I don't remember what it was, but it described the he'll turn in wrestling in a way that as a non wrestling consumer I, never really understood I thought that the reason that you had he'll turns was basically to keep the story line unpredictable of that it was a way of basically like having the plot twists in unpredictable ways and the way that it was described in whatever I was reading was that basically the character of the the the hero has been wrung dry and so then in order to get new value out of the character, they flip it and now all of a sudden you have like a whole new character and. So you can ring that character dry. So it's a way of basically doubling the character arcs that are possible wrestler and I don't find that that's necessary for baseball players I don't find that I'm looking for new Newark's for players for the most part. If a player is doing well I I'm not like well, I'm bored of this, give me something different and so in that sense, if you think about a flop poor collapse as a heel turn, which it's, it's it's a different thing. But as a as a heel turn, then I don't find those that welcome. But there you do still have the the surprise aspect of it, which is still somewhat useful. And I agree that the year that the playoff standings were all upside down and wrong I don't remember thinking that was fun. But I think that it does have value for the other years to know that that. Yes, right? Yeah. Yeah. I do like it when players add a new skill that you didn't know they have even if they were good before how much have we enjoyed that with Mike Trout right. When he gets good throwing or he gets good plate discipline suddenly he can hit five high fastballs or something or whatever. He's more strikeout power guy now, or he's a more speed and defense guy that has made him more interesting right? If he were just a ten were automaton and he got to that were total the same way every year that would be less interesting I think I wouldn't want a total about. Face where suddenly he's bad. But if he's good in a different way, I think that enhances my enjoyment. All right question from Eric Cartman who says Jochen had an interesting tweet which read when this is all over can we talk about how using pitchers less and less and less isn't actually producing more healthy pitchers? This has me thinking about how pitching staffs should actually be run in today's game. Let's say you had. Full. Control of a team of again and did not need to worry about buying how would it be run for starters versus relievers and lengths of starts, and this does feel like the sort of thing where a handful of years ago we would have just said, oh. bullpens because that would have been the the cool fund experiment that teams hadn't tried, and now that we've moved further and further in that direction, it's. Either boring to say that because teams already doing it or we found out that actually we don't enjoy this as much as we thought 'cause it's kind of fun to have a starter who stays in there for a while. Yeah. I think that part of the challenges that any strain you take off of pitchers, they find a way to use elsewhere there the whole I mean the whole exercise of elite athletics. Is Pushing people to go as close to their breaking point as they can. It's like it's it's like really in a lot of ways it's it's like the disturbing part of sport and it's that way in almost every sport and so when it comes to pitchers I think that we had an idea that yes. If you if you have them throw fewer innings or if you have them throw fewer pitches in games. Or if you have take more time off between starts, they'll stay healthier and I can't say this for a fact but I mean that has coincided with tremendous increases in velocity and tremendous increases both in in peak velocity and also average philosophy. How how many pitches they throw at full effort and thing is that I don't think they're at their Max yet either I think that I did an article couple years ago. I think about every pitchers fastest fastball relative to their average fastball and what happens when they throw their fastest fastball and I was sorta surprised to find that that on average I think every pitcher throws a fastball at least one fastball that's like four and a half miles or four miles an hour harder than their average fastball and so they could. I mean if you had a pitcher throw one inning a year. That would probably be safer, but I am a little worried that they would even in that one inning, they would throw every pitch. Obviously that's an extreme example, but they would throw every pitch at their Max and they would still be training to throw that pitch harder than they are. Like every day, they go out to train to throw harder than they can at the start of the day. So you still have these incentives for them to put more strain on their body. As you take some strain off, they put more strain on and so I because of that because there's just such an incentive for professional athletes who are just so driven to achieve things that that they set out to achieve it is very hard to create a system where they're. They're not at risk of breaking themselves, and again that's true in in every. Sport, it's not just in team sports, but individual sports it's true for thirteen year olds and it's true for forty dollars I don't know what to do about it. I think that that's like a real issue with modern sports of challenge. Yeah. At some point, it stopped being about protecting pitchers health I think as much as it became about getting out and making. pitchers better 'cause around two thousand whenever it was that BP debuted pitcher abuse points and a hundred pitches became kind of the the heart limit for a lot of guys that was about protecting pitchers that was about not overworking pitchers. It wasn't at that time about times through the order or about bullpen thing it was purely health-related I think and then at. A certain point it became more about wealth. We just bring in a fresh arm. He can throw even harder, and if we take this guy out sooner than he can throw even harder when he's in there and we can have hitters getting fewer looks at pitchers, and so it's partially about protecting pitchers of course, but it's also about that and there's this weird. Loop where the shorter the outings, the harder guys can throw in their remaining innings right and so then it's almost like you have to lower their innings even more because now they're throwing super hard in the time that they're out there, and that is endangering them in a way, and now you have to use off the pedal more. So it's like even if you limit how many pitches are throwing. It seems like the fewer the pitches they throw the more Mac effort they throw and therefore you're not necessarily minimizing the risk. You're certainly minimizing it relative to if you had guys going all out from pitch one and you were also leaving in there for one hundred twenty pitches but it seems like because that has coincided with, Hey, throw as hard as you possibly can it? Doesn't really seem to have cut down injuries and I would throw out this season entirely I, think this is an anomalous year and we've talked about the reasons for that and why pitchers have gotten hurt at such an elevated rate this year but I think in general it hasn't really been a protective measure for for some pitchers maybe it has. But for others, it hasn't so. I don't know what you do other than having bionic arms or something or figuring out by mechanics in a way that protects pitchers dramatically more than you had before but just limiting pitch counts doesn't seem to have had the effect that it was supposed to Yeah. All right. Do you have a stat blast? I sure do okay by the way that year that the standings were all topsy turvy was twenty fifteen which I thought was the case but I wasn't Positive. But yes, they're a bunch of articles from that year about is this year that the projections failed and yet west but not permanently okay. So that last I have maybe one more step last song cover here. Still it's been weeks months and use the actual original stap last long. So get back to that soon, but people have continued to send in cover. So this one is by Russ Hull and it is a trombone ensemble take on these that last song. All. Over The. World. Over over over. Aw. I have not heard from Jeff in the twelve minutes since we talked about that, he would answer but I wonder if what he might answer is that in fact, baseball is more interesting that might trout didn't fail, but it would be more interesting. Now if he suddenly failed that like net every given point of his career, it has been more interesting that he has pushed his career to a higher and more unthinkable level and and maybe you could even argue that his success has. been more unpredictable than than his a total failure would have been and so in that sense he has he has been more baseball has been more interesting because trout has not failed but I wonder if Jeff would actually say that right now baseball would be more interesting. If might trout came out and hit one, sixty, two, ten to thirty and was out of the game two and a half years like depressing miserable like I. Don't I don't I don't know if Jeffs. sociopath. More. Interesting. Maybe, yeah. Well, Jeff Works for a team that has to play Mike Threats team some time now, and he no longer has to do blog posts about MC trout. So different incentives for him. I should as write blog posts of about what Jeff would say about mine trout and then get him in trouble for. All right. My Stat last is actually I. It's GonNa be a little bit about might trout so Ferdinando tatty S- junior it Homerun I, think yesterday or maybe it was the homeland we talked about. Got Me thinking about something that I actually had looked up. Oh, awhile ago and thought about doing a staff blast on and didn't, and now I've done it I've I did the work lost the work redid the work because tattoos reminded me of it. This was asked to me by someone in a Derek in October twenty seventeen he's i. have an article idea how many homers would guys like Ruth Aaron bonds etc. have hit if they batted second or even first, that's actually kind of an interesting question because they didn't they batted later in the order and nowadays if you were Babe Ruth in the year two, thousand, twenty lot would be different in one of the things that would be different as you would probably would hit second. Well, you might not but you might you might hit second. So I was thinking about this because Fernandez he's junior is a leadoff hitter and He homered Ronald Kunia junior is a leadoff hitter and he homered a three times the other day they're both very young. They're probably not going to challenge the all time home run record, but they might they're both young enough and good enough started early enough and they each have the advantage of right now batting leadoff and so I wondered actually how many home runs behind our barry bonds and babe ruth and Hank Aaron based on the fact that they hit later in the order. So I took each player's starts in every spot in. The batting order for every year of their career, and then I assumed that they would I. Put them in the leadoff spot instead and put them in the number two spot instead to see how many PL- extra plate appearances they would have had. If they had batted in those spots, which is basically getting an extra plate appearance every nine games for each spot in the order that you move up, and then I multiplied those extra plate appearances by their home run rate that year to see how many extra home runs they would. So, first of all the number of extra plate appearances that they would have to me is kind of staggering. So like hank, Aaron if he had batted leadoff for his whole career which you know like he could have. Certainly, fast enough to for much of his career. We have lots of players who who aren't fast at all who lead off these days it's quite normal to have. Slugging players hit leadoff even if they're not prototypical, right, we all know that he would have had eight hundred, fifty, five extra plate appearances, which is almost like that's a season and a half of Hank Aaron that his teams just left on the table. Is there any sport that does that every other sport it seems like can and does load up on how much they rely on their best player baseball actively suppresses? How many times their best players come to the plate or at least they have traditionally by having their best hitters, hit third or fourth in the lineup and I know that they had a certain logic to that it's not a logic that held up to statistical scrutiny at the end of the day but there was a logic to it but it's just really weird that you would say that your best player is going to bat a lot less frequently than your. Third or fourth best player or for worse. And you I mean we all know that that's happening and that that was happening. But to hear that eight, hundred, fifty, five plate appearances of Hank Aaron's career were just. Taken off the table so that he could that later in the lineup like know tradition said. Kinda. Crazy I guess you wouldn't want him hitting leadoff technically not one hitting leadoff although it's I I know that like it's probably a little better to batting second than leadoff but it's there's a case for for anyway. Leading off or batting second still several hundred if he'd been batting second, very leading off would have had seven hundred and forty four more plate appearances. Then he did Babe Ruth leading off what about six, hundred and seventy two more plate appearances than needed our pools I'm going to bring him into this would have had seven, hundred, twenty, seven more plate appearances than he did and then might drought actually because he is a modern ballplayer playing. With a different understanding of lineup bats second most of the time as it is and would only have one, hundred, seventy, four plate appearances if he were leading off and and yes. Like you say maybe leading off even right batting second is quite possibly the more. Justifiable and now Orthodox place for my anyway to the home runs. Because all we care about is getting these players many homerun possible barry bonds. If let's say Barry Bonds knew that he was gonna Chase the all time home run record and he did lead off for the start of his career just like that thiessen a Kunia currently are, and by the time they moved him down. He was a superstar and he had some some leverage and could have said Hey I'm chasing the homerun record I know it seems silly to hear me say that right now but that's that's my goal. So I want more plate appearances please keep hitting leadoff. If he had done that and let off his entire career, he would have hit forty seven more homers which. By changing nothing except a batting order and making sure that the best hitter got the most plate appearances. We'd have an eight hundred home run hitter in the major leagues right. Hank Aaron same same premise. He would have had forty five more homers and landed on eight hundred exactly a babe ruth same premise would have it forty-one more homers and our bulls would be over seven hundred right now he would have thirty extra homers I. Don't I I don't think I personally starting Albert's not going to get seven hundred and if he had a bad at first for. A bunch of his career, he might already be there. It's alright right? I lied he has six, hundred, fifty nine. So he would be at six hundred, ninety seven right now. All right. Mike Trout has only lost nine because he plays in this era right? Big Difference only nine if they batted second, which as you note, makes perhaps a lot more sense or at least some sense more sense. Barry, bonds would still have thirty extra homers which would put him at seven hundred and ninety two hank. Aaron would have had twenty six homers, which means that if his manager and figure this out berries had not hank Aaron might still be the Homerun Champ Babe Ruth would have had twenty four and our pools would have had twenty two more and Mike Trout has only lost three and I'm bringing my trout into this just to show. That the modern superstar doesn't suffer this penalty doesn't pay this tax and so when I say that Ronald Kunia and front entities are Kinda get a leg up. They really do like they're losing. They're going to get these home runs that babe in Berry in Hank left on the table unless they moved down the order which they might. So anyway, that's the by the way I also, there are some games where they didn't wear maybe they. Started in the six spot or the seven spot because they were at a phase in their career where they weren't very good anymore and I redid these numbers where I took all those games out because they didn't they couldn't justify batting first or second in the line and it didn't really change much. Those are small number of games and they tended to come in the season's when they weren't hitting home runs a very fast pace anyway. So that matters slightly but just like one or two off their total. So a pretty big number I think you can almost say that like if not aura Kunia can convince their their teams or if they're team simply make the rational decision to have them bat first or second throughout their superstardom they basically start twenty five to forty five home runs ahead of the homerun leaders. Yeah. It's very interesting I hadn't thought of it that way. Okay. All right someone has a follow up to your comment about liking the new extra innings rules but also being interested in having some window every year where maybe we would bring back regular old extra innings just that we wouldn't entirely lose the epic marathon came and Jake Patriots. Supporter says to me the solution to liking the new X. trading rule but. Twenty in games isn't abandoning the rule one day a week or one month the season instead it's abandoning the new rule after the thirteenth or fourteenth inning. ooh. Yeah. Like this, right that's good. Yeah. He says I think ten to thirteen or fourteen innings is the this game is too long to be fun and not long enough to be fun again zone so wouldn't this allow most games to end quickly but allow the ones that are going to last to really west and I think he nailed it that's that sounds perfect to me because if you get there, the odds are so against you getting there now that if you do, it's just like all right. Well, we tried. We end it. Urologist. WanNa keep playing. So we'll just let you go here. Have Fun. So I like that a lot and it would be quite rare. So again, you would achieve the goal here, but it would allow it to happen and it would allow to happen almost naturally like you'd you'd feel like you earned it. So I like that a lot I mean I I agree I think that's a really elegant solution to this and I support it and you. Would feel like if it were after thirteen, you would really feel like you would accomplish something in broken through to this new phase in the game. So it wouldn't even feel monotonous that you are now going into the monotonous part of the game. So I like that the reason that I doubt that it would get implemented is that the main reason that they do this I think is actually to prevent the eighteen, thousand, nine, hundred games I think. It doesn't. It doesn't speed the game up I guess it doesn't bring the game to conclusion that much faster than the old way and so I just don't. I. Don't know that the powers that like this rule would like it. If all it did was like, okay. When we talk about things on this podcast, a Lotta Times, the whole point of the suggestion is to make baseball weirder and we're not even trying to solve a problem. It's like, Hey, if we did. A weird thing? Would it be like more fun weird or a less fun weird and we decide and that is not what Major League baseball is his thinking as it goes to these rules strangers they say, we have a problem, does it solve the problem and to them? The problem is games that go seventeen to nineteen innings and create maybe like a perhaps a a health hazard players really hate that create a hang over effect that teams just really hate the create these. Pictures of Barron ballparks because nobody could stay awake long enough to see the game and I really think that they don't see a problem with with like eleven or twelve inning games as much as they see the problem with eighteen and nineteen and maybe fifteen and sixteen innings, and so I don't know that they would want to introduce the continuity disrupting rule change if they don't even solve the problem that they think they're trying to solve. Yeah. That's true. All right one more this is from. In. London Ontario he says, I was thinking about that cranky giving the signs to the catcher the other night for anyone who missed this the latest instance of Zach Greenkeeping Zach Cranky was that he just started hintze going his catcher pitches that he was going to throw, and then he left and went out to sit in the stints with the cardboard cutouts and Adrian continues I feel like if the batter saw signs eight, they wouldn't have time to figure out a sequence. So be it would seem like it would provide an advantage if a team did that, say one inning a game just for confusion alone, it would add a new element for. The batter and would likely throw them off as they wouldn't be able to help trying to guess, would it even be possible to figure out if this was providing it advantage for a game or for a season and there's some precedent to this happening before I guess Trevor Power that again did this in one spring training outing zero though I think he was trying to make some point about signed stealing, but there's a history of this. I think Greg Maddox was documented to have done this at times. So the idea is, could you just have the pitcher signal these things as a distraction I guess if you saw pitcher out there, suddenly start signaling. When did it? It was so surprising and unexpected that it could be a competitive advantage if you just broke that out every now and then which seems strange again because the whole point of catchers showing signs is that you are hiding the signs so that the pattern doesn't know what it's coming, and this is the opposite of that. This is signaling so that the battery can see. As Adrian mentions if it's only for an ending only for a game here and there you might not know what he's signaling for, and also it might just be so surprising if it's rare enough that you would be Kinda out of your comfort zone anyway because you're not expecting to see this and then you're wondering is he messing with my head? Is he saying he's throwing this but really he's throwing that. Yeah, the messing with the head part of it has a long tradition in in stories told after the fact and I always yes. How true they are yes. The catcher who says Bass Ball coming and that's from Bull Durham has that scene too, right? Yeah. Yeah and I never know whether I believe those stories no. Sure it's happened, but it's probably Apocryphal. Sometimes, it was one hundred percent mess with my head. Yeah. I think. So and as for whether, you'd be able to tell analytically if it was providing an advantage I know I. Guess you would just look at how effective that pitcher was when he was doing that relative to when he was doing it the conventional way you know what they need to do is I think this is actually the solution here they should both signal all the time and then and then you make it doubly hard to crack the signs because you don't even know who signaling who how do they know who signaling they? It's all predetermined. Okay and you just vary inning or something varied by inning or you very by you know like out plus one or whatever. Like you have a, you have a system to it's another indicator. You have an indicator on top of the signs. Yeah. That's true. Worth a shot anything no one else is doing I mean, we've talked about random pitch calling and just having a random number generator, do it or something, and that's different. There's no distraction element there although there would be element of unpredictability because you're not following any kind of set patterns. So this might be following a typical conventional pitching planned, but the hitter wouldn't know and wouldn't be used to it being called that way. So it becomes they both they might both shake each other off. But one of the Marino. Acts Yeah they'd have to act. Like the old Johnny Cueto thing. Johnny Cueto sometimes shakes off signs that haven't been put down because he wants the batter to see him shaking. Yeah. Right yeah. Well, this is what is great that he will do things. No one else will do but maybe someone else should take a page from his book here every now and then break it out. Okay. We will end there. Okay. 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GSMC Baseball Podcast Episode 314: Wild Card Round Recaps

GSMC Baseball Podcast

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GSMC Baseball Podcast Episode 314: Wild Card Round Recaps

"Awesome. Golden State concepts, baseball podcasts we cover everything majorly from sprint tree. The World Series got your favorite club cover from New York to Boston to La. vix Is the golden state media concepts baseball podcast. Test. said, this is A. Hello everyone, and welcome back to the GMC baseball podcast brought to you by the GMC podcast network. I'm your host Jack Ridenour, and we have a really exciting show in store for all of you at home listening and tuning in today because we finally have playoff baseball and I can't believe we have arrived at this point of the season. But here we are in the postseason. Hope everyone had a good week and was able to enjoy some of these playoff matchups and had there were some really good games on the first two days but we will get into all of that here in today's show we do have quite a bit to cover in today's episode. So I. WanNa I. Jump in a recaps of the first two days of the playoffs go round the league and mentioned the different games from the first couple of days of the wildcard rounds who really stuck out to me mentioned some of the top performers of the two days as well. After segment one is wrapped up, I'll head into a discussion in the recent rankings that emily dot com came out with for the top fifty players in the postseason I'll go through and mentioned the different players that are ranked and mission a few players who I think should be a little higher and who I think could be moved further down the rankings next into the best wild card games. In previous years, selecting which games have really stuck out to me, and we're very memorable playoff matchups in the do or die situation and be sure to stick around for the final few minutes of the show today as I will highlight, which players have been struggling this year heading into the playoffs that could turn their seasons around in the postseason. So stay tuned for that final segment today like I mentioned, we've got a lot to cover. So I'm going to get right to it first day of the play offs and it was an exciting one jumping into the first game astros twins Astros winning four to one no runs were scored between the two teams in the first. Two innings and then Minnesota tacked on one, run themselves in the bottom of the third, the fourth fifth and sixth innings were also scoreless. So through six innings, there's only one run that scored but then Houston, was able to ratchet it up a little bit turn the notch up in the seventh and ninth inning scoring one run in the seventh, and then three in the ninth ultimately propelling themselves to a four one victory over the twins really beginning from Michael Brantley. He was responsible for two of the four runs that the Ayrshire scored definitely going to be the top performer of that game for myself. I do have to give a brief shout very brief shout out to Alex. WHO's actually a greater Pittsburgh area native of re initially from Plum Pennsylvania, which is again a kind of a community outside of the Pittsburgh. Thirty minutes outside of the city and he was the I believe he was the first ever rookie to start his Caesar his MLB debut starting wise in the postseason. So getting the first ever start as a position player in your first ever season debut and it's in the postseason pretty incredible thing to have happened. So shout out to Alex Karloff. Congratulations on the incredible milestone moving into the next game white SOx athletics white SOx winning four to one and this Chicago Team I think is very scary. I. Mean I think they are a very, very scary team white sox scored the first run of the game in top of the second, and then two runs in the top of the. Third and no runs were scored between two teams in the fourth fifth sixth and seventh inning. So scoreless through those four innings and then and the top of the eighth, the white sox tacked on another run Oakland was able to score one run in the bottom of the eighth but it was a final for the white sox four to one Lucas G gelato pitched an unbelievable game. He was flirting with a perfect game through the first six innings of the game. Unfortunately, it was broken up but again, having him on your team and having him feel that good in the postseason that's going to be a scary thing moving forward for other teams that have to take on the white sox definitely one. Of My top performers for the day also Tim Anderson Three for four for the day against the Oakland in that game. Once also another player of the day for me in that game and then Jose Abreu you my other top performer in that game one for the white sox and athletics to for four on the day to be is really really nice job from him from the played You know again, really balanced offense for the White Sox I know that they didn't score a ton of runs, but it was just a great sign from that they were able to even if they weren't scoring a bunch of runs, they were still able to capitalize and still win ballgames in lower scoring. Games with having the pitching that they had in Lucas deleo defensively, they looked phenomenal offensively, they looked phenomenal there a team to watch moving forward next game blue jays verse to raise raise winning this one, three, two, one, a close one definitely close one closer than I. Think a lot of people thought it was going to be Blake Snell struck out nine. He was definitely one of my top players for that game and then Lordy Gorilla. Also, he was a very, very good performer for the Blue Jays. He had a heck of a day from the plate to for four really nice job from him, but unfortunately was not able to get it done for his team scoreless through the first three innings. In, this one and then the rays were able to get things started I with a run in the bottom of the fourth and then the fifth and the sixth innings. Those were also scoreless bottom of the seven rays put on two morons. So some insurance runs but Toronto? They did make some noise in the top of the eighth they scored one run there. It was a very quiet game offensively for both teams only nine total hits in the entire game and again import due to the great pitching from Blake's now at least on the raisin. So great win by the raise and then moving into the final game of Tuesday. Yankees Indians, it was a complete routing of the Indians for the. Yankees twelve to three victory for the Bronx bombers, they scored the first two runs in the game in the first inning, and then they scored another run in the third. Cleveland was able to score runs in the third and the fourth. But the Yankees put up to in the fourth to runs in the fifth four runs in the seventh and then one run in the ninth before Cleveland's able to put on one more run in that bottom nine ending but it was not enough the Yankees put up four home runs as a team. Really great outing from them. They absolutely rocked Shane Bieber gave up seven earned runs on the day and for a guy that is pretty much the front runner for. The Al Cy young that is not a good way to start these playoffs at all. So very tough outing for Shane. Bieber, but for the Yankees I mean they had a Lotta guys that did a lot of damage couple big time top performance from those games. At least for the Indian I will have to give credit to Josh Naylor who actually also set a record for being the first player to ever compile hits in his first five at bats. So he was a perfect five five through his first of five playoff at bats and he was four for four in that game. One against the Yankees did a really nice job. He scored a run he also drove in your excuse me. He scored two runs and he drove in one run. So he had a really good offensive day really the only offensive spot for the Indians, and then over the Yankees I mean digital may you doing damage has always another top player from that game for me Luke void same thing with him I mean voight was two for five. He had an RBI glider Tories. He was three. He was four for four. He should I mean I'm going to actually put him in there right now Kleiber tour is also another big time performer and Brett Gardner all I mean they had four guys that were a top performer for me on that day DJ. May you two for five with two are one RBI? Geo your shallow was one for four gleyber. Torres was four for four with three. RBI's Brett. Gardner was three for five with three. RBI's also had a home run. So offensively, I mean this Yankees team was rolling in the first day of the playoffs and they looked really really good. So I will tip my hat to them now moving into gate into day two. Of the playoffs for Wednesday going to get into it starting with late game and then going back into the early game and going from there I. One brewers, dodgers, dodgers winning this one four to two and I will say, i. was actually kind of was kind of excited I guess or shocked if you will that I got the notification on my phone that. The dog there the brewers had scored, they had hit hit a home run and I said Oh my gosh. They might actually win you know they're only down three two but ultimately, they lost four two in this one runs were scored by the dodgers in the first two innings to in the first, and then one of the second was scoreless in the third and then the Milwaukee brewers answered with a run in the top of the fourth. In the bottom of the seventh dodgers put on that one insurance run and they were able to win ultimately four to two core seger with a monster home run on the day four, hundred and forty seven foot bomb. He had a really great day and then Walker Bueller struck out eight. He had a great day another top performer in that game. But over for the Brewers, a big top performer for them, you know obviously, Garcia, he had a really really good day from from the. Plate and then Orlando are see also he was responsible for their two runs with a huge homerun did strike out three times but again, he was still able to drive in runs and get some offensive production on the board for them. Christian. Yelich did have an okay day from the plate he was to five but then over for the dodgers, I, mean Grey Day from mookie Betts he was two for four with an RBI cory seager. Again, he was one for three with an RBI. Was Not humming like it usually is for the dodgers. They were still able to score the necessary runs that they needed to ultimately propel themselves to a game one win and a one. Oh, a series lead over the brewers right now moving into the next game of the day two of games, and this was a game one battle also reds braves and this was a great one. I was sitting there watching it yesterday afternoon and you know Trevor Bauer looked unbelievable. I mean he really looked. Comfortable and that was a very scary sight. I mean the braves looked like they had no answer for Bauer and it's unfortunate that the reds can't clone Trevor Bauer five four times over because if they could they probably be one of the better teams in baseball because the way he pitched I mean he looked phenomenal. He had me he his curveball was dropping. You know his fastball was zip and right and had great velocity on his fastball and In upper nineties much into the game I, mean, his durability looked really really good too. So definitely a top performer for the game for me and then Freddy Freeman on the other end for the braves also top performer but getting into the scores of this one, this actually wound up in a thirteen inning decision completely scoreless through the first twelve innings of the game. No runs were scored who was a one nothing decision by the Braves Freddy. Freeman walked off with a head that was it mean that was pretty much. The. Entire Ballgame I mean other than the highlighting of Trevor Bauer I mean although the braves did get the win I think that you know everybody needs to pay attention and talk about how well Trevor Bauer pitched in his postseason You know start for the seat for the twenty twenty postseason moving into the next game game to now for the ashes and twins, and this actually propelled the astros into the LDS. Now ashes winning three to one and I have to take minute on the twins because I really don't know. What to think of this team in the postseason just seemed to never really get a groove in the posts and they just can't seem you know nothing translates from the regular season into the postseason for them. Not Quite sure why but it just doesn't seem to really you know bode well for them they can't perform well in the postseason in the most crucial time and I remember mentioning you know Oh so many months ago that this is a team that's probably GonNa make the playoffs and to look at them and To. Watch them in the playoffs because they actually might make a run because I think in previous years there issue has been fatigue guys getting injured or guy slowing down towards the end of the season they still make the playoffs but then once they get into the playoffs, then it's kind of you know where do we go from here? Guys fatigue guys are injured. Guys are sore or this that and the other, and they are not performing well, and then they lose in the round every single year of the playoffs so. Another struggling postseason performance by the by the twins Astros I mean, are they starting to prove people wrong? Are they starting to? You know shut up the haters a little bit myself included I'm not a big astros fan at all. I was actually very annoyed that they won because again going back last year I think it's Very unfortunate that team had to of had the feeling had the need that they did to. Ultimately, you know cheat their way to world series and cheat their way to the playoffs on numerous occasions I'm I can't that does not sit well with me but again, they were able to win somehow someway on in the game scoreless through the first three innings and Astros scoring one run in the top of the fourth Minnesota answered with a run in the bottom of the fifth. But then the Houston Astros were able to score a run in the seventh and a run in the ninth. Winning three to one George Springer was Hitless Jose altuve eight was hit lists for the Astros Michael. Brantley was Hitless Alex Bregman had a hit Kyle talker was really the the the main spot for the astros him and Carlos. Carreira the only two that had two hits on the day very, very quiet. You know hitting a performance by this astros team only five hits the win the twins only had three as a as a collective again. Right offensive series, and a very quick series at that ashes are now moving into the LDS and the or the twins they're packing their bags and they're heading back to Minnesota next game. Morlin. Cubs and surprisingly enough the Miami Marlins won this one five to one I know hey, I was just shocked when I saw that as well, no runs were scored in the first four innings of this one the cubs were able to score the first run of the game in the bottom of the fifth, but then a five run seventh inning was what made the difference in this one and it was a five run seventh inning for the Miami Marlins Corey. dickerson had a huge hit that drove three runs for them three of their five A. Also had a really good day. He was to five from the plate driving in two runs a really they're five runs were coming from two different players, and then over for the cubs in Hap- he had a pretty solid day I will give him that although it wasn't enough to help his team win he was two for four from the day from the plate and then one rbi the loan rbi of the game for the cubs marlins are up one nothing in that series. So it'll be interesting to see how that one plays out and you know if the if the cubs are able to come back and potentially tie this. Up and then force game three or if the marlins are going to be moving on I, mean that would be again that would just add to the weirdness I. Think of this twenty twenty year moving into the next game a game to for the white SOx athletics. Athletics have now tied the series up one after five to three win over the White Sox Oakland getting things going right away scoring two runs in the bottom of the first, and then to run in the bottom of the second while in tacking on another run in the bottom of the fourth but the white sox were able to make some sort of noise in the. Latter part of the game scoring two runs in the top of the eighth while also tacked on one of the top of the ninth. So they did make a little noise. They did make some sort of a comeback, but again, it was not enough Marcus semi-in for the athletics at a huge two run home run Ramon Laureano. Also had a really big day from the dish I. Mean this this athletics team if they are able to complete the comeback, they're scary team because I feel like although they don't have anybody hitting above three hundred in their lineup. Really I will say they have guys that are able to hit at the. Most Opportune Times they're perform at the best possible situations that present themselves. So again, that could be you know something to look at Loredana. Was Two for four from the plate Tommy. LA-. Stella. Who was really big midseason pickup for them one for four from the dish I mean although you know he he wasn't playing great for the angels he came over to the athletics and he started playing much better. It was hitting above I believe to eighty at one point of the year, and then also for the white sox money Grondahl, he had a really really big a really really big day for himself. Also one for three three B is. So, again he was. Responsible for a good bit of this offense But again, not enough to beat the athletics and again, how does the pitching fair after you know Kaikal Ngo Lido right I feel like it's kind of similar with the reds you've got Sonny Gray and you've got Trevor Bauer. But then where do you go from there now it will save for the reds they've got TJ and who's been great in Luis? Castio who's also a former all star. So somebody that is definitely capable of putting up big time numbers. On the mound but for the White Sox is kind of you know kind of dips down a little bit but I will say they still have a pre solid rotation and they've got a great ball pen. So I think that they'll be just fine. I'm definitely excited to see you know how that one plays out who ultimately is going to win that game three decision because I mean it could be either or you know I mean although the white sox are a seven seed I don't see them as a seven seed I personally see them a little bit higher than that actually much. Higher than that I think that they're one of the better teams in the AL and I think that they've got the AL MVP on their team and Jose. Abreu you and I would be shocked if he didn't win that I, would I would really be Florida it'd be puzzled actually moving into the next game it was a game to also between the rays and the Blue Jays and the raise the next team also punching their ticket over to the Al. D. S. they won this one, eighty two over the Jays Tampa scored one run in the bottom of the first, but then six runs. In the bottom of the second. So they're up seven nothing early on Toronto is to put on one run in the top of the third, but then another run by the raise in the bottom of third. So they're already up eight one, the raise or the The jays were able to score one run in the top of the fifth, and ultimately it was an eight to two decision Tampa Bay putting up twelve hits on the day doing a. Really Nice job productively from the plate scoring eight runs off of twelve hits, I've got to say Randi Ro's arena. He had a heck of a day from the play. Great Great Day for the D.. H., he was three for four for the raise. He had one rbi one walk, and then also Mike Bro Su. He was the first Baseman for the race to for three for the day. Also again, those really kind of the bright spots for this offense. I mean here and there there was some hits also renfro had a hit Brandon Lau ahead Yandi Diaz did not have a hit he was over to from the plate and again he's one of their better hitters. So look to see him possibly get things going and turn things around a little bit in this postseason but moving on in the LDS race team is going to be. Really exciting to watch I know a lot of people have them picked as their world series winners or at least making it to the world series I have the making it at least the AL CS although I know how they'll vote in the next round and if they're you know if they can keep this rolling and if they're momentum can carry them forward I, think they'll be all right. But again, it's going to be the hitting because I think the hitting has been a big question mark in some regards to this year they don't have anybody that's been lights out hitting wise but they do have guys that have been productive and that they've been playing well, you know Willie adamas he's been doing well branding Brandon Lau again, those two guys are pretty are pretty much the constant. Factors I will say in it for this team in terms of their offense man Choi, also does a Nice Job Tommy sees me Tommy fans not with the team anymore. But again, I mean guys like you know Randy are as arena he's stepping up Gandhi Diaz, stand up guys like that. That are able to fill in those voids. That's what makes this race team. So dangerous again, they don't. Have the GLITZ and glamour that the Yankees have in terms of depth but the raise also secretly have a very deep team. It's just with more. So kind of just solid baseball players instead of superstar baseball players. So that's kind of the big difference I think between the race and the Yankees moving onto the next game cardinals padres. This was a game one for these two cardinals coming out. On top seven four, and they really let their presence be known in this one saint-louis Louis, scoring four runs in the top of the first. Sandiego was able to respond with run one run in the bottom of the first and then seining also put on another run in the bottom of second. So going into the third, it's four two, but then Saint Louis was able to put a little. Bit more distance between themselves and the padres put onto maroons in the top of the thirty to make it six two and then Sandiego put on another run in the bottom of the third and San Diego was also able to put on one more run before the cardinals put on their final run of the game in the top of the ninth ultimately winning this one, seven, two, four to. Take a one nothing series lead over the padres and let me tell you what if the padres were not to make it past this first round I think you could argue that they would have one of the most I don't WanNa say disappointing but they would have one of the most overrated seasons in baseball and what I mean by this is this for how good they were this season. and. How highly touted they were and including myself I. Mean a lot of times I've mentioned a friends. Hey I wouldn't be shocked if we saw padres white sox world series how wild would that be? Again, very power or offensive team I know that Mike Levinger has been injured in that has been a little bit of an issue for them. So that is something to look to you know look out a little bit Chris Paddock got the start in the in game one. Again, I've been a little critical of Chris Paddock because I personally think he's a little overrated and again it showed yesterday I was not impressed with his outing at all. He did not think that he pitched that great. So I, I really do. Worry about this padres t moving into game too because Saint Louis a team, it's a historic team. It's a team that knows how to win their a well ran ball club. They are managed very, very well and being led by a guy like Yada Your Molina who's been there before I mean they've got a lot of veterans, Matt Carpenter, Colton Long Paul Diong. They've got guys that have been around the block many many many many many times. So as a result, it kind of gives that feeling of okay they might although. They don't have a youthful star power that the padres have with Fernando taty singer Cronin. Worth and Trent Grisham. The cardinal still have that veteran leadership and they also do have younger guys on the team as well and they've got great hitting I mean Paul Goldschmidt nobody ever I feel like talks about him nowadays but he's one of the best first baseman hitters in all of the NL if not all of baseball. So I think that people might shortchange the cardinals a little bit just because of the seating and that's why. I personally I don't like looking at the seating all that much because I feel like once you get in the playoffs that kind of goes out the window and it's kind of anybody's ballgame really, and especially with this year I mean you do have home field advantage, but you don't have to play in front of a home crowd. So what? What what does home field advantage really matter that you don't have to travel as far to the game that would pretty much be the only you know what I mean in anyways. Eventually. They're going to get as they get further into the playoffs. You know they're gonNA start having the no, the Games in you. Texas and they're going to have the Games in California and wherever else and having them. You know in You know these hub cities. craigslist games and and Homefield advantage is going to be absolutely nothing. It's going to be a neutral site. It's going to be my team against your team and whoever's the better team that day comes out and wins. So I think that this whole notion of of. Seating and everything in the playoffs again, you have to do it because it's A. It does tell who's going to be the home team and who's not I. Know You have to do for the the you know the and for scorekeeping and everything else and just to be organized and Professional. But at the same time I personally feel like it doesn't really mean a whole lot this year because of the situation of of the pandemic and Covid, and there's no. Fans being allowed. So as a result, it doesn't really seem to matter a whole lot in my opinion, but that's just me a little rant for the day top players for the cardinals and Padres Game Tommy, Fan I mean he had a really really good day for the padres even though he alternately was not able to help his team win, he was two for four and. Then, also Dirksen profile he was the other guy that had two hits on the day the two players that had multiple hits from the plate and for the cardinals I mean Yanni or Molina I mean, how can you not you know you know include him I mean he was believable hit two three for five. He drove in a run Paul Goldschmidt was also one for five. He drove in two runs and the Matt Carpenter was one for three. He drove in two runs but Paul Diong I mean he had a great game too. He was two for two perfect to for two. He had one RBI in two walks on the day. So really solid outing out of Paul Diong as well. I think this carnal seems going to be you know a Team to watch really do I think it's going to be a very interesting series between the cardinals and the padres moving onto the next one yankees verse Indians Indians winning or excuse me Indians losing this one Yankees advancing onto the AL D. S. for a yet. Again, another year Yankees winning this one ten to nine Cleveland scoring the first four runs of the game. So A. Big Time whole that the Yankees found themselves in for the Yankees were slowly able to claw themselves back into this one Yankee, scored a run in the second and then four runs in the fourth. So then all of a sudden, it's a, it's a five four ball going into the fifth Yankee scored another run in the top of the for the top of the fifth and. The Cleveland Indians scored two runs in the bottom of the fifth than the Yankees put onto runs in the top of the six any responded with two in the seventh and one of the eighth, and then it was a two run with two outs in the ninth inning. Excuse me just two runs. I'm sorry just two runs in the ninth inning I mean that's pretty hard. To do you know you're down? You're out deficit it's nine eight and you've got to make some sort of miraculous comeback as the Indians that momentum had completely shifted for them I mean. If you think about it, they'd scored seven or they had scored in the seventh and eighth. So they scored three runs in two innings to put them to give themselves a one run lead and The Indians were three ounce away from pushing it to game three I. mean they literally three outs away from doing that. But for the Yankees I mean Giancarlo Stanton he's definitely top performer of the day. He had a really great day from the dish one for two from the plate to RBI's and two walks, and then also for Gio your Shelhah, he was lights out two for five from the plate with four RBI's. So he did a lot of damage for this Yankees team and then over the Indians Jose Ramirez, he had a really really good day He was two for four with three. Rbi. So again, big time producer for a lot of runs for this team. But again, this Indian team, very similar to the twins. Why is it that these ale central teams are able to ultimately you know I. Don't WanNa say flounder in the playoffs, but they just kinda faltered towards the towards the latter part of the season. It's like they're it's like their stamina and their ability kind of goes by the wayside and they're not able to you know they don't have the condition to get into further into the playoffs or they don't have the you know the player makeup you know they don't have the personnel on their team that it's enough to take them further into the playoffs. I mean, look at the Yankees right I mean. They got Giancarlo Stanton. They've got Aaron judge they've got GIO shallow. They've got gleyber Torres. They've got Luc void I mean the list goes on and on and on in your excluding you know guys like Brett Gardner who had a huge home running game one. So they've got just the depth to go further into the playoffs than a team like the Indians and also everybody's been touting Jose Ramirez the is the MVP for this year if he were to win it off of just having one good month in the entire season. I would personally be very, very shocked by that I mean very shocked I mean the numbers that Jose Abrego has been putting up and had put up in this regular season unbelievable numbers I mean he had almost sixty RBI's on the year he does not win the MVP I personally have something to say about that especially, if I was Jose Abreu, I would be very, very annoyed with that. But anyways, we'll just move on from that and getting into the second segment. So that'll do it for us in this first segment but stay right there folks because after the commercial. The. Dot Com. Top fifty postseason players list for this season and mentioned which players I liked in those spots and who I think were ranked incorrectly folks stay right there. We'll be right back here on the GMC baseball podcast. This is your ultimate stop for everything sports. The golden state media concepts, sports podcast should I say more from the NFL Melby, the NBA MMA all Dan here the golden state media concepts, sports podcast listen. Mr. Welcome. Back to the GMC baseball podcast Jack Ryder with you all in our first segment I got into the recaps of the first two days of the Wildcard match-ups a lot of great action in those first two days of the playoffs really excited to see how this postseason unfolds. Be sure to stick around for the final few minutes of the show as I will highlight the players who have been struggling mightily coming into the playoffs that could. Turn their season around in this month of October I WANNA now discuss MLB dot com top fifty players in the postseason this year in which players I thought were ranked correctly, and which I felt should have been moved further down the list so I'm obviously not going to run through all fifty picks because that would just way too long. So I'm going to just get into the picks that I don't like some players that I think could. Possibly, you know taken those spots from that from that said player, and then the picks that I do like and then mentioned why I do like this pick. So getting into the picks that I don't like first and foremost McKee at number one I'm not a big fan of mookie Betts at number one why don't I like this while I'm not saying, I hate it because there are some picks on this. Listen I am not a fan. Of, all that I am really opposed to I will say the one thing that bothered me mostly about bets being the best player in the playoffs this year is there are a ton more guys who could be number one that were vital to their team I. Mean I, personally think that Shane Bieber was very important to his team and was cl- and he's clearly dominated the league in pitching the most likely cy young runaway in the Al.. It the most likely runaway of it. I. Don't really think that there could be anybody else in the AL that could maybe make a case for it if he were to be taken off this Indian team, I don't think they'd be the same team that they are right now although they did just get an early exit out of the playoffs. I still think that if Bieber was off of the Indians, they probably would not have had the success that they did this year I mean the guy was dominant. He won eight of their however many games that they won this your new thirty plus let's say they had thirty two. Okay. So if he if he won eight of their thirty, two games for them, that's a quarter of their games. So when you think about it. He's responsible himself for quarter of their wins. That's a that's a good chunk of wins in a very small sample size of sixty games. Now, bets did play well again, not taking anything away from him, but I don't think he is the number one player in the postseason. That's all I. I wouldn't say that he's I'd probably say he'd be top ten definitely top fifteen. Easily. Top Ten but I don't know about you know number one I. think that was a little aggressive bets finished the regular season batting two, ninety, two, he had sixteen homers and thirty nine RBI's so some great numbers. But now compare that to the weight of Bieber's numbers who is I in the entire league in the era I in by a mile and he's one of three pitchers to have one hundred plus K's on the year, and he's tied for the League lead at eight wins while leading the AL in that category also so again. He's done a lot of damage on the mound this year. Now, who could replace bets for that number spot besides bieber out also have to say Freeman I think Freddy Freeman could definitely case for for Shane Bieber. We've besides the fact that the as for the Cleveland won the triple. Crown pitching gave only twenty one walks all year on the out of those one hundred and twenty two ks that he had. So a one, twenty, two to twenty one ratio. K. to walk ratio I mean I'm not going to do the math that quickly right Now but just rounding, that's about five to six one K. to walk ratio. That's a pretty high K to walk ratio. He also did a fantastic job of keeping the ball in the park giving up only seven homers n he had three point, two war I think he is able to be considered at least get consideration for number one and I personally would put him there. Honestly. Freddy Freeman would be another option, I? mean. You could make an argument for him. He's been batting three, forty one this season with a six, forty slugging percentage and. A one point, one, zero, two, ps over an eleven, hundred zero S, and he also had a three seventy five average for the month of September almost one hundred points higher from what Betts had a two, eighty four again I'm not taking anything from vets. There are other guys who've been playing just as good as him. He's got the fact that he's playing on the best team. So that does help him. I think personally but you know he could absolutely make an argument for him to be there in first as bets did have the highest. War among those two other players mentioned. But again, I don't personally have him there. I personally have Freddy Freeman or Shane Bieber ahead of mookie Betts probably bieber more so than Freeman but I will say bets does he makes a good case. I will say he makes a good case the next one, Jose Ramirez a number five, I was not a fan of his top five ranking at all he did have a monster September he batted three, sixty six he had a one point two, nine, four, opium. So almost a thirteen hundred s and he. Had six nine total bases. He also had ten homers any at twenty four rb is so he did have a very good month, but let's look at a guy like, Marcello Zena or DJ Lemay Hugh or Fernando. Totti's all who have higher wars and Ramirez, they've play justice good and I think with his big of September it has skyrocketed his status in baseball this year in an overacting way I think people look at his one month of September like, oh my gosh, he's all of a sudden the MVP. This is what we've been waiting for. No you can't base a guy off of an entire season on just one month. You can't do that. An MVP award is for the entire season not just for one month. He might I think he did win AOL player of the month for the month of September. So you know he got his recognition, but as the MVP, I, don't think so and I think he again, he's a great player. But in terms of the players in this postseason, there are guys who have done much more for their teams this year and have had A. Much bigger impact in their lineups. Now, who I think could replace him Marceau's in like I mentioned Fernando Totti's and Dj Hugh deal may you had the third highest war in the AL the highest offensive warned the hale and the highest batting average in the AL as well. So it is no wonder that DJ Lemay he was in the top ten of this list, but to not put him in the top five I think that is ridiculous I. Mean He's been incredible all year long and he's been a big part of this deep Yankees Team Ramirez. Better, power numbers in some regard, he's got higher extra-base total as he pleased I in the Al. this past season collected twelve more than lemay who did but Lemay he led the AL in opiates plus with one seventy, seven and opie s with one point zero one one. So he did have better power number's premiers in some regard himself a pretty close. To I between those two and I, think what you know what breaks it is the league leading. MLB leading batting average he should he should have no question mental five player I. Don't know why he wasn't. I I don't have the list in front of me, I. Think he was around seven or eight, but I would personally had him in my top five. Another player Marcelo soon, and I think that he's getting. I don't WanNa say no credit because they've talked a lot about him. But I think that in terms of other guys that I have heard in recent months and in recent weeks and really in recent days, you'll really hear a whole lot about Zona and I feel like as of recently in the news, all you're hearing about is how well Jose, Ramirez had been playing and sure he was playing well. Yeah. Again. He he he went into he exited the regular season and entered the the the postseason. As you know, probably one of the better players just in that regard not for the entire season though he was not one of the better players in the regular season, I'm pretty sure he had a sub two hundred average for most of the year I actually think he had a sub two hundred average for the first two months of ball. So you know having one. Really, good month or at least sub two, hundred average for the first month of the season having a really good average. You know for the one month and having almost thirteen hundred PSI for one month that doesn't win MVP that doesn't give you a top five ranking in my book more had a higher overall war then Ramirez had Osuna has been absolutely tearing it up this season and he's got a higher average more toll basis higher ups plus slugging percentage and. He's got more home runs. He's got more I what more do you want from SUNA, he literally outplayed Ramirez in every single category, the guy flat out just put up better numbers than him to be honest. You could say Oh cinna was a big top ten for these players in the postseason rankings I think he came in about twelfth thirteenth and it was a big miss by dot com to leave out of this as he led the NFL in home runs and RBI's and total basis. As. Well. So should be in this top ten and possibly over Ramirez nother guy like I mentioned Fernando Totti's this one would be a tough one because Ramirez did hit better for average than toughtested Tateishi had to seventy seven for the year Ramirez at to ninety two he was able to change that batting average that he initially had Ramirez that is from from I. Think it was around two thirty to forty, two to ninety two because of the monster. September. So one month was able to. Flip his entire year round they did have virtually the same homerun and numbers with Ramiro being one higher rbi but Tateishi has a higher war and he had more triples with ten as opposed to a six. So there were some power numbers that Totti's had Ramirez beat on regardless I think tha would have been the hardest argument out of the three to make to be ahead of Ramirez but I think ultimately, you could still make legitimate argument fourteen but I think the biggest one is ozone. I mean having Zuma. Not they're not having him over Ramirez and he literally had better numbers than Ramirez did in all of those major power categories and he probably even beyond all the Nitty Gritty statistic categories that are you know finite and very miniscule. I bet you he probably had better numbers and Ramirez did in those also. But again, we can't go back and not going to be able to convince MLB DOT COM to change anything so pick that I was not a big fan of. Cody bellinger at number twenty, one to the life of me. I don't understand why everyone gives bellinger the benefit of the doubt this year I'm not saying in general but generally speaking he is a great baseball player he really is. But when it comes to the season, there is no shot. He is remotely close to being within or on the outside looking in just about of the twenty the top twenty on this list came in at number twenty one. So He's right there on the. Outside looking in for the top twenty I don't see him being a type of player that is that highly regarded in this list at all his war way down from last year going from a nine point one last year to a one point four this year. So a drastic decrease in production for bellinger in that category, his offensive were also plummeted from six point six a year ago. Two zero point nine this season. So big big drastic drop off and he saw dips in his. His slugging percentage, his OBI and his batting average, and for him to be number twenty one on the list. I think there's a clear sign. There are certain players that will get the benefit of the doubt for a bad year if they are on a good team or have good years in the past, it is I mean it is clear as day that we're seeing it right now and sure bellinger has been great. No question I mean he was raining MVP from last year but if You look at him turns this season alone he clearly is not a top twenty, five player in the playoffs at all. There are a few players who, I feel should have been received much more well, and had a much more of an of you know more of a nod in that top twenty, top twenty, five area over bellinger. But again, we can't do anything about it who I personally replace on that over bellinger Tim Anderson Nelson Cruz and t Oscar Hernandez Tim Anderson Again I mean all three of these guys had way better numbers than bellinger had. So it would probably be very easy to make a case for any three of these guys for Tim Anderson, he batted three, twenty two and he had an eighty six. Oh, P s should be enough for. A reason why he should be placed higher than melander. There's ten spots that separate these two and I think it's insane not to mention that you know what's even more insane. Are you know I mean again, I just the idea that Tim Anderson was not within the top twenty wild idea to me I mean that just doesn't make any sense at all and you know I it's just What's even more insane though is that Anderson's batting average has dropped each month he has played. Okay. So every single month that he has played, his batting average has dropped. So for July, he hit three thirty three in August it was three, twenty nine and in September it was three fourteen at its lowest. Okay. So remember that he dropped in every single month of this year still stayed above three hundred every month but still dropped bellinger didn't even come close to those averages in the three months we had in the regular season with his best average month at two sixty seven in September. So there are plenty more ways in which we could mention how Anderson has. Been Light. Years Ahead of bellinger today but I won't go through all of them. I'll get into the next Guy Nelson Cruz he was only one spot behind ballinger but the fact that bellinger was still one spot ahead of him I mean that just really rubbed me the wrong way cruises across the board. You know his numbers were all better than than than bellinger and he's doing all of that at forty years old I mean he's double the age of bellinger just about their wars are pretty similar. So No big difference there but it's the power numbers that are right are are night and day between the two sluggers with bellinger having a one thirteen opiates plus. As, opposed to cruise having a one, sixty nine opiates plus so vastly different numbers here I mean almost a forty point difference cruise was a big part of this team and whereas the dodgers I mean they didn't skip a beat with bellinger's struggling all year. So that clearly tells me the importance of crews to his is vastly more significant in my opinion than it is for bellinger to his team based on their numbers just this year again, I'm looking at it. For in regards to just the season, because if you're going to take a list of the top fifty players in the postseason from this year, you have to look at how they played justice. You're not previous years. Crews clearly should have been placed ahead of boundary and I think it's absurd. He wasn't in the last Guy Dimension t Oscar Hernandez I mean he had a jain normal year and honestly he had a career and for him to be placed well behind. Bell, Andrews actually thirteen spots behind him. He was in I think he was thirty four Hernandez batted a career high eighty nine for the year with sixteen homers, which was his third highest total improbably would have had more to to that total. If it hadn't been for the shortened season bellinger did have a higher strikeout number then Hernandez did but Hernandez Hernandez Ob p. end slugging percentage numbers are way better than the bellinger's where this year again this you know ranking. This could be his ranking could be the way it is because of the weight Bellenger does carry as a former MVP all-star and an established player on a top tier team. Most likely I'm not saying that is the clear reason I'm just saying that is most likely a reason but again, if we were basing it strictly off the players numbers this past season. Hernan. Across the board had better numbers in bellinger did in just about every category you could think of and. Honestly all three of them did. So those three picks I was not a fan of McKee at one. Jose Ramirez at at five and Bellinger at twenty one I honestly don't think bellinger should have been within the top forty maybe in the last forty I would probably put him there because he he is he is an established player and he has shown himself and proved himself to be a very good baseball player in the league I'm again, I'm not taking anything. Away from him, but he's very hot and cold he's very hit and miss. I, mean his rookie year was great. His sophomore season was big slump, and then he comes back for his third year and he wins the MVP and then in his fourth year again, the pandemic did not really help I think a lot of these top tier players I'm going to get into a little bit later some of these guys really struggled going into the post season because of the. Season and just kind of I think the parameters of it and sixty games and this that and the other couldn't get into a groove can get a feel shouldn't be a huge excuse but I know players will use it but ultimately I think if you're basing off of this year, those three guys should not have been in the positions that they were in. That's just me picks that I do like though number fifteen, Devon Williams I love this pick at. Fifteen I personally felt that this was my favorite pick out of all them. I'm so glad that Devon Williams got the recognition, he deserves because he's been arguably the best relief pitcher in baseball in the latter half of the year and really the entire year at that, his era has only been above three in one instance this year and he collected at least one strikeout in twenty of his twenty one appearances he had for the brewers this season. So think about it. He is generating at least a k. if not more I mean there was multiple and I didn't sit there and count them but there was multiple games where he had two ks three KS I mean there's a couple of games he had four and five case he finished the year with zero point three, six, era fifty, two total case in two thousand, five innings, which are pretty insane numbers when you think about it I mean that's just a little over two case per appearance which were relief guys and incredible rate I mean don't be shocked to see his name being called for the rookie of the year and that's how good he's been. I mean really he's been that good I. I can't remember the award that he won recently I. Think it was the NFL. Reliever of the month for September But again, I wouldn't be shocked if he won the reliever of the year because he was that good. I mean, if you're averaging two plus case per appearance per outing that you make us a relief guy that's equivalent I mean I don't have it in front of me and I don't really know how that would translate over. But just out of gas that's probably equivalent to a starting pitcher know having a seven or eight. You know a strikeout average purse start, which is pretty impressive. Averaging that many strikeouts per start would be really hard to do next guy that I really liked Trevor Bauer at number seven. I think Bauer was lights out this year and was really one of the few consistent players on this red steam. Bauer was unhittable the entire year with an NL leading one point seven, three era in seventy three innings and one hundred K's. Only, one of three pitchers, the entire year, and in the entire league, the to have that strikeout total of one hundred or more Bauer is an easy easy easy cy young candidate but he will be challenged by the back to back Cy Young winner Jacob. degrom who had just as good of a season as power did bauer only walked seventeen batters all year and he gave up nine homers. So not a bad efficiency rate in terms of getting guys out and keeping guys off the base path an incredible year for. Bauer much deserved in being you know in that top ten, a guy that I felt was very deserving of that I really did next guy and now we're getting into the later rounds or the later rankings were getting further down the list into the forties but these are rookies these are rookie players and that they are starting to make this much noise we have to make mention of them I guy Sixto Sanchez for the Marlins at number forty one this guy is going to have a bright future ahead of him. Although, he was placed in the forties again, I. Think it was very deserving. He got any recognition at all at twenty two years. Old Sanchez had a solid year in his rookie campaign pitching in thirty nine innings, thirty three as at three and two record and a three point four, six era. So assault stat line for a rookie, a guy who is going to be fun to watch the League for sure. He's got a great fastball velocity on his pitches and a lot of people are touting him as one of. The best pitchers the Marlins have had in years. So someone who is just getting started in the MLB and with his already impressive career, he's going to be a force to be reckoned with in the future and something that's very interesting about him. He had he. You know coming into this year he hadn't had a whole lot of experience in the minors. I'm pretty sure that they. You know again they sign them or excuse me he came over in that trade with JT real music. So he was initially with the phillies. Comes over to the Marlins I. Think he spent some time in the minors with the with the Phillies, but he didn't go past advanced a I mean he didn't go very high up in the farm system, but he was unbelievable I mean I, don't even think he had a one era I think two point, five era through twelve appearances, ten appearances, something like that. In his minor league career he was pretty lights out. He doesn't have a whole lot of experience in the minors but I mean, he shoots he showed this year that he doesn't need that much experience. I mean, he's able. To pitch at this high level, and then the last guy that I really liked that he was ranked, he got recognition Will Smith? Not The actor, the dodgers catcher at number forty, two Smith improved drastically over the season and in the middle part of the of September, he really started to take a jump in terms of level of play. Especially from plate, he finished the year with a two eighty nine averaged after having around two hundred for much of August. So player that is getting hot at the right time for for this already dangerous dodgers team and with eight homers and twenty five. And Nine Hundred Zero PM, Smith even more to this lineup and he really showed in the latter half of the year that he's of coming up big from the plate and that he can be that added piece at A. Needs not to mention he's a great catcher behind behind the plate also so I mean A. Faceted player that can do a lot of different things I. think there's a bright bright future ahead for will smith a lot of really great talent on this list and in the playoffs in general I know I'm I'm excited as I mean, I'm very excited to see all of these players in the playoffs I'm excited to get these playoffs in full swing and really to start to see more postseason action we've already seen some great great performances I mean going back to Trevor Bauer he had a great performance in game one for you know on. Wednesday? Again, a lot of exciting stuff moving forward for this postseason and for these players as well. So close things out here for us in our second segment on the GMC baseball podcast. Thanks again for tuning in coming up after the commercial break I'm going to share some of the best and most memorable wildcard moments in recent years which teams were involved and what the outcome was of those games folks. It's been a lot of fun so far, but we got a lot more to go. 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Again, and we just finished discussing MLB DOT COM top fifty player rankings for the players in the postseason this year as I shared, which picks I was a fan of and which I wasn't a big fan of Ny and who I would have liked to seen move up the list some a little bit here and. there. I wanted to get into the ranking of the top five greatest wild card games in postseason history of very short history of the wildcard. But still a lot of memorable games occurring in this opening round of playoffs I thought it would be very fitting considering the fact that we are in the middle of the wildcard series right now. So I thought you know hey why not we'll do a little segment on that. Getting in at number five, my number five greatest wildcard game of all time twenty twelve Saint Louis Cardinals, versus the Atlanta Braves. Now in two, thousand, twelve, both of these teams entered the game as two of the best teams in their respective categories, hitting the cardinals and pitching for the braves, which is semi ironic because this year they're pitching staff that is the braves is nowhere near what it was in two thousand twelve. All now, I will say Max freed is pretty unbelievable. But after that, it really dips down it was also Kyle Loesch for the cardinals who had a career year in two thousand twelve with a sixteen and three record one, hundred and forty three KS with an NL high thirty three starts going against the braves, Chris Midland who also had his best statistical year in two thousand twelve with a ten one record and a one. Hundred and twenty K. season. The cardinals were eighty, eight, seventy, four on the year and Lena. Was Ninety four and sixty eight. So to fairly even teams going up against each other obviously the braves having a little bit of the edge in terms of the of the record, the game started with Atlanta's scoring the first who runs of the game with a homer off of David Ross. WHO's now the manager to put the? Score, at two nothing, Atlanta Saint. Louis answering with scoring three runs a few innings later to give themselves a three two lead going into the latter half of the win or go home matchup the cardinals tacked on another run in the six off of a Matt Holliday Homerun and two more in the seventh before Atlanta scored another in the bottom of the seventh. Now, this is where things got a little interesting in the. Bottom of the eighth with two men on an Alderson Simmons at bat for the braves he popped one up between the shortstop and leftfielder, which actually dropped as there was a little bit of miscommunication between Matt Holliday playing left and Pete Cosma at short. So between the miscommunication ball gets popped up drops in between the two and it lands and nobody catches it. Simmons was actually though called out after the umpire had signalled. For the infield fly rule which resulted in Atlanta. Not having the bases loaded with one out ultimately, the braves could muster any more of a comeback and eventually they felt to Saint Louis six to three in a near come from behind victory for Atlanta and I actually do remember that twenty twelve cardinals team because the next round I'm pretty short was they took on the nationals I went to an energy s nationals cardinals game. And I'll never forget. This is just kind of a brief playoff memory of mine. I'm sitting in the outfield with my parents and I'll never forget this the the the the nationals go up I think it was six to one bryce harper hit a huge homerun. I'm trying to remember who was on the team at that time but adjacent worth also was i. mean he was really good that day lot of other guys like played well for the nationals at day alternately though the cardinals came back and won and I can't remember how a sequence win but they tied it up at six and they took out one run lead and then about a couple innings later, the I think the nationals took a two run lead they went up either. Nine seven or eight, six, one of the two something like that and then all of a sudden forget this I think it was either drew store Craig stemming but he walked the bases loaded with I think one out no outs and then it just was a field day for the cardinals from there and I will never forget that I think it was actually. Gained five that sent the nationals home and they were they were the home field advantage team and I do remember that the game before that Jason Worth had hit a absolute moonshot of a walk off home run on never forget watching that at my house with my parents my stepmother going absolutely wild running around the house I'd never seen anything like it. I was. Shocked I was literally speechless and my dad was laughing in the background just couldn't believe it happened also just a very, very unbelievable to have happened but just a little playoff memory that I have with the Saint Louis Cardinals getting into my next top wildcard game number four, the twenty thirteen Pittsburgh pirates, Cincinnati reds. This also I mean has always stood out to me because I remember when Johnny Cueto for the reds was on the mound and he dropped the ball a very infamous. Clip little replay. The fans are going nuts. He drops the ball resulted in a cacophony of boos from the Pittsburgh fans and they were just going nuts I mean they absolutely. I mean, they laid into Johnny Cueto as fans, and then he wound up giving up a home run either the very next pitch and the very next at bat. So clearly, Cueto was a little shaken up by the Pittsburgh fans. But this was a great year to be a pirates fan because they finished second in the central and they had a ninety four and sixty eight record. Take a second to think about that. Now, they were ninety, four and sixty eight. The Pittsburgh pirates seven years ago there seven years removed from this. This was the first of three straight years apart actually one, eighty, five or more games. They won eight, the next year and then ninety eight and two Thousand Fifteen Cincinnati on the other hand had themselves a year as well a really good one winning ninety games on the season. So it was a battle of two ninety plus when teams they made for a great game. The pirates got things rolling early on with two runs in the bottom of the second one in the bottom of the third, the rents were able to answer in the fourth with run in the top half, the winning, but Pittsburgh still. Built on that three one lead and added two more runs in the bottom of the fourth to make it five to one. Ultimately, the Redskin have it in them to come back and fell to the pirates six to to the parts went on to lose in the next round, the cardinals. But those three years were some wonderful years for the pirates being Pittsburgh inhabitant somebody that lives here and having many many friends. I, mean lots actually in a conversation with one of my friends yesterday about big Pittsburgh Fan Pittsburgh native and I mean he was even saying that just the moves that they're front office has made in the past has just been very questionable, very, very questionable. And I really hope that they can get back to their winning ways because these are some great fans here in Pittsburgh I. Mean I've got family that are big. Pittsburgh fans. You know obviously, I mentioned friends and you know it's really you know unfortunate to see them have to struggle because I mean some I get it I mean I'm as a brewers fan you. Know in previous years I mean besides the last three years, it's been a pretty tough go at it. No question I mean in between two, thousand, Ten, twenty eleven in two, thousand, eighteen, those seven years were pretty they were long years so I definitely understand what they're kind of going through. But at the same time I don't because I mean Pittsburgh is almost laughable. They've gotten to that point and it's really unfortunate because I think it's a very, you know obviously, it's a storied franchise. It's one of the older teams in baseball. It's one of the more historic teams in baseball, but they just haven't been able to get anything going lately. So hopefully, with the new management, the new general management, the new front office, and just a whole new makeup, they can eventually maybe get. Back to the how they were from twenty thirteen, twenty, fifteen, next game, my number three Wildcard Performance Twenty Sixteen Toronto blue, Jays, versus the Baltimore Orioles. Now, twenty sixteen was a fantastic year for Toronto, mainly because they found themselves in the playoffs in back to back years for the first time since one, thousand, nine, hundred, nineteen, ninety-three, both years, they made the playoffs similar for the orioles they had not been in. The playoffs since one, thousand, nine, hundred, nineteen, ninety-seven. So two teams that clearly had been left I'll playoff picture for a good chunk of the early two, thousand and two thousand ten's Toronto was in the second place spot in the east eighty, nine and seventy three record while the orioles finished in the same exact record this one unlike the first two featured an extra inning finish for these two teams one that. I don't think anyone really predicted the Blue Jays got to work early scoring the first run of the game in the bottom of the second inning. But the orioles they came right back by scoring two in the top of the fourth. But before the Jays were able to tie it up at three with a run in the bottom of the fifth. So going into the sixth inning, it's all tied up at three. The jays started Marcus Stroman. He pitched an incredible game, but it was Francisco. Leary on that came in for the Jays I was able to really hold the orioles offensively and allow Jay's to force an extra inning showdown after both teams put up scoreless frames in the tenth innings, they went into the eleventh inning with a two two tie still for whatever reason and again, this is something that I don't know an I am a DC native. So I don't really know a whole lot of orioles France, I did grow up going to a lot of oil games because it was the only team around at that time But for whatever reason, and this is something that is still criticized today buck showalter, the manager of the oriels at the time he sent out and Baldo. To, pitch in the eleventh inning and for anybody who does remember you Baldo says he had a great career for for the Rockies for a couple of years. He was an all star one time. Had three to nineteen wins. One year twenty wins one year. One of the two he had a really good year for the rockies. Really, just kind of headed downward spiral after that though, and just was not the same pitcher. And they left the Orioles closer and the Al Reliever of the Year Zach Britton sitting in the bullpen no idea to the life of me why that was a thing I don't know why I don't know if he saw something in the match up or you know if the cut next couple of guys that were up for the Blue Jays, he did not like the pitcher battered. The pitcher battle the pitcher batter, the pitcher batter dual. You know the match up or whatever I don't know what it was I. Mean Britain led the AL and saves at your with forty seven Jimenez was on his last leg of his career and had a losing record on the year as well. It was the second to last year and the and the MLB as well. Jimenez allowed to runners on base in the eleventh inning before Edwin encarnacion stepped up to the plate and built a walk off. Home, run to send the Blue Jays to the division series and sending the Orioles back home. It was only the fourth time that a win or go home matchup ended in a playoff in a in a walk off and I'm sure it is a game that show Walter Britain and the entire oriels organization. Wish they had back especially the fans I'm sure the fans are still live to this day I personally would never bring that up around an orioles fan I probably would set them off but again. That was a great year for Toronto I mean I often forget that they went to the. Year they ultimately lost to the Indians, but again, that's a very it's a very positive sign that for any of these teams that are kind of just run of the mill kind of the middle of the road teams that don't get a whole lot of publicity that they're able to make some noise in the playoffs I mean there are wildcard team that went to the CS. I mean look at the you know maybe the Cincinnati reds if they win in game two against the braves people should watch out for the reds I mean I I mean I know I'm very high up on the padres and very high up on the. White. SOx But I think the reds are asleep or team I. Think there are big time sleeper team that nobody's really talking about and I, think that ultimately you know I, mean if if if the pitching can continue to to be at the level, it was in game one and if they can get any sort of offense of production from there, guys, you know you hineous wars needs to get going NICASIO has had a couple of big hits. He had a double on the day in game one on you know Mike Mushtaq as he's been really struggling another guy coming into the postseason that could pick things up a little bit. That is I mean that instance right there in two thousand, sixteen for the blues is a sign that these wildcard teams are able to make it further in the playoffs. So look for a team like the reds who could potentially make some noise if they win in game two and then they force a game three win that who knows they could be kind of the Cinderella team this year in the playoffs getting for number two now for the Wildcard 2016 San Francisco giants I the New York mets now in the same year, and over in the you know the again, the same year an over in the other league of the MLB in the. Very very similar to over the twenty sixteen Al. Wildcard, the twenty seven or the twenty sixteen and a wildcard was just as good. The giants and the mets were going at it in a do or die game as well. Similar to an to in the Al. like I mentioned both the giants the mets had the same records with eighty, seven win and seventy five loss total. This was bound to be an even matchup. It was no syndergaard verse Madison Bumgarner showdown and boy was it a good. Both pitchers didn't allow one run through the first four innings that carried on throughout the game, the entire game all the way up until the top of the ninth inning. Now on the top of the ninth, that is where things got interesting jurors familia came to the mound for the mets to hopefully shut out the giants and head into the bottom of the ninth inning, which would have given this team of solid chance at winning needing they only needed or you know. They only needed one run to score, but that did not happen familiar gave up a three-run homer to Conor Gillespie after allowing a leadoff double the Brandon Crawford and then walking joe panic the mets were unable to put together any sort of comeback ultimately fell three nothing to the giants and again that's another franchise just like. The higher another story team. The mets just cannot seem to have any sort of positive outcome for them. In recent years I mean they went to the playoffs. You know a couple of times here and there throughout the two thousand ten's obviously in the wildcard there right the right in that instance you know earlier in the two thousands I mean they were finding themselves in the. In the in the world series so It's just unfortunate that you know I think that I I don't know if this is just a thing with with teams that are in. Two teams earn one city one always gets put on the back burner and it's clear. It's the mets I mean everybody always pays attention to the Yankees and it's clear. The mets are kind of put up on the top shelf. But at the same time I mean they are very storied franchise I. Mean I mean the Miracle Mets I mean if you've got a nickname for your team and your and it's a reference to a certain time period in which our team was good. You are a good team. You were a really really good team. So it's I again like the hope that the mets can eventually turn things. Around and you know bill back into the team that they were so many years ago and really just in the past ultimately now, my number one wildcard game of all time of all time twenty, fourteen Kansas, city royals, Versi Oakland athletics what an exciting game this had to been for these two teams but the fans who they're also, this was the beginning of the very short run. The royals had in the playoffs in two, thousand, fourteen and twenty fifteen. So this was the very beginning of this run initially taking on the as the as the royals were virtually similar teams record wise with the as having an eight hundred and. Seventy four total while the royals had an eighty nine seventy, three record. So very similar teams. This roles team that had the most wins it add had seen as a team since one, thousand, nine, hundred, five when they last won the world series and the as were on their third straight trip to the postseason after posing a great first half of the year but a very slow second half the as sent John Lester who they acquired during the trade deadline and the royals had James Shields take them out in the pivotal one game playoff. The two teams started off early offensively with the ace scoring two runs in the. Top of the first inning while the royals cut their deficit in half going into the second adding one lone run in the bottom of the first Kansas City eventually took the lead in the bottom of the third off of to RBI hits by Eric Hosmer and Lorenzo, cain giving the royals at three two to advantage the next two innings were scoreless. But Oakland blew the door wide open in the sixth inning, and this is what was wild about this I. Mean They scored five runs in the top half of the frame and giving themselves of seven to three lead going into the eighth inning six hours away of moving on. Things were starting to you know really look hopeful they were six i. mean the royals were six outs away but things really start looking hopeful for them. They scored the runs in the bottom eighth frame the as had to hold the royals for one more inning and they would be moving into the next round but that was not the case the royals. Tacked. On another run to push in extras and now with a couple or or with a complete momentum shift, the world's felt very confident heading into the extra innings the tenth and eleventh innings were scoreless but going into the twelfth, that was where things started to get weird the as put the pressure on the royals by scoring one run in the top. Of the twelfth for the royals were not finished after Cain was able to get on base to lead off Eric Hosmer sent a shot to the outfield in when it was it was played poorly and subsequently allowed hosmer to go to third. So Christian, Cologne was able to get a single that scored hosmer tying the game up at eight in the twelfth. After hosmer stole second, it set Salvador Perez up for diving Orford. Excuse me for driving in the game winning run which he did hitting a ground ball right by the outstretch of the glove of Josh Johnson at third, which resulted in a win for the royal sending them to the LDS and that was actually the beginning like I briefly mentioned kind of the. Beginning to they are very small window that they had in twenty fourteen in two thousand fifteen to win and they did win I mean they won in two thousand fourteen. They didn't win the whole world series but they went there and then twenty fifteen they won the whole thing. So again, another example of a team that you see that window you've got. To take advantage of it and I. Think a team that you know to compare that to right now is the reds they are in that window right now. Right as we speak and I don't think they had the season that they you know ultimately wanted. But I think that as time goes on, this is going to be a team that's going to. Build themselves up into being a much better. You know formidable opponent in the NFL central. So some very monumental games that have been played in the do or die match ups over the years, and we have already seen some great matchups this year in the odd yet new layout to the playoffs. But Hey, we got more we get more baseball so we. Can't complain about that. So that'll do for this segment folks thanks for sticking around. But stay right there. 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There's a Lotta guys on this list at people will probably be a little shocked by but again, it's just I'm basing it off of the year that they had. I'm not saying that they are bad players in general. I'm just saying that based off of the year that they had. They are on this list I guy, I've mentioned him a lot on this show cody bellinger bellinger has struggled all year long and it. Is a big difference from his twenty nine thousand season. His average has dropped from three Oh five to to thirty nine and his opium has really dipped from one point, zero, three, five in two, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, nine, this year, and clearly with this year the the you know the Homerun and RBI numbers are a little off because of the covid nineteen pandemic and less games but percentage wise clearly a down year. For for Bellinger, clearly down here and in his career, he isn't the best hitter either in the playoffs with only a one seven average, a five sixty s with four homers any as seen a lot of action in the playoffs as his team has been remarkable the last few years he's been homeless in his last ten playoff at bats but he did finish the year on a little bit of a roll hitting. Wise. Compiling at least a hit or more. So one hundred more in ten of the last eleven games of the season with two homers. So he has picked up to level of play a little bit since the end of the season, but with their matchup against the brewers and potentially taking on their, no, no west rivals the padres in the NFL DS if both teams were advanced out of the wild card round bellinger. has to keep up this hitting momentum at that he is found in the last few weeks of the season if he wants to turn the season around for himself because if he's able to do that, it's going to be a tough road for any team that runs into them. This postseason I really do believe that bellinger did improve over the entire month of September batting to sixty seven for the entire month which was. His best month hitting wise but power wise. His best month was August with ten homers twenty Rbi's is the month. So he has shown glimpses of improving over the season, but will that come to light and fruition in the postseason we're going to have to see about that. Christian. Yelich. Just my next player who I could really turned his season around if he were to you know pick it up a little bit here. Very very quickly because who knows if they'll be able to take on the dodgers and move past them? I mean, what is there to say positively about yell at Just Twenty Twenty Year right? The guy slump the entire season coming off two straight years where he put up identical numbers that he actually improved from two thousand, eighteen to twenty, one, thousand, nine. So a player that was really riding high the last two years. Batting three, twenty, nine in two, thousand, nineteen, and three, twenty, six, in two, thousand, eighteen and winning an MVP. In two thousand, Eighteen Yelich has shown the talent and and ability he has as a player but this is not been you know his year hitting I mean he's hitting a career low two of five the only time he's ever bad at under two fifteen, his entire career and he finished with a seven eighty-six ps and only twelve. which again, we can't weigh that much based off the fact of the pandemic season. But one thing is for certain that this year's Yelich is very different from the last two years Yelich as a legitimate one, thousand opium player. But this year not so much and similar to Bellenger isn't the best playoff hitter either with a one ninety, four average in his playoff career and only two home runs and with their opening game against the dodgers, the pitching matchup doesn't favor Yelich either. As he hits one, sixty, four this year against righties. But I will say he did have a good day from the played against Bueller. He's two for five. So although I in terms of looking out on paper, it did not really add up well for yellowish but he ultimately was able to overcome that the changes of yellow really turning the his season around are slim though because of the fact that they have a monster feet ahead of them in the dodgers and this matchup. For them either as a team so at you will have a very small window to improve the season or to improve his season in these playoffs. Again, heading into game two, it's do or die for the brewers there. Backs are literally up against the wall and if you know. If, they can't get done. Then he's going home. He's GonNa have no shot of redeeming himself the season but I think, ultimately you know if they do move past the daughters if that were to be the case, we could maybe see. A Christian Yelich having a much better outcome to his season than he initially started with four shore next Guy Mike Mockus. was a very poor performer for much of the month of August and September. But earlier in the season and the first few games he was hitting well above three hundred as he slowly declined, it became clear. He was not going to live up to the expectations that people set before him and their entire team when him and cast. Janas picked up in the off season so. Clearly. They did not live up to the hype that I think a lot of people came into the season having about them a mostly to twenty two to thirty hidden September Mustafa's needs to wake up if he wants to see himself, turn the year round at all, but to also help his team out. So you know who you know again, his team is playing very well earlier. Against the you know in the season as they were They finished out the season being probably one of the better teams in baseball, and the also had a very good outing against the braves and game one. We'll see how they fare against in game two but again, due to the great pitching of. Bauer. They were really able to keep themselves in that game. Now, Moussaka says a to eleven career hitter in the playoffs and he only six homers in the postseason but was stock is no stranger to being in the limelight as seen a lot of success in the playoffs with mid market teams in the past, winning a world series with the royals and going to the. With the brewers in the two, thousand, eighteen playoffs not to mention going to an AFC s with the royals in two thousand fourteen as well. This guy he's got a Lotta potential and he has shown he's capable of being great hitter. But if his team wants to propel themselves past this wildcard round, and if he wants to turn his season around personally he's going to have to really. Crank it up a notch here this week and try to turn the season around because if not, it's going to be a really long offseason for Mike. Miss. DACAS, again him Kosti honest were signed to literally the same deal I think it was sixty or a four year sixty, four, million dollars. So virtually I mean they're viewed as the same kind of players in the eyes of the reds. I think that mistake has has a little bit more to show same thing with cost us, I mean he had a great year to you know to start but I will say as as time went on and his season continued to progress he really fizzled out I mean his average went from three. You know well, above three hundred he was hitting well over a thousand a PS two dropping down to you know around eight hundred or so which is again a modest number. It's a solid a solid oak. Yes. I mean I always like to consider you know eight, Fifty, eight, seventy, five. Higher. To be solid solid oh PS numbers I would give that to be solid up PS numbers. But again, he really did not show. You know I think the talent level that he's capable of having almost put casts on this list as well. But I think newstalk has had more of a struggle this year then Castanos did move onto my next Guy Havi bias bias is clearly been struggling this year. He's hitting two three. He's got a zero point, six war, which is pitiful and only at two thirty, eight obt as well. It is clear that bias has had a hard time getting on base and getting any hits really after. Going to back to back all star going back to back all star Games in previous years this year clearly wouldn't have been an all star year for him at all as just two years ago he led the and Rbi's with one hundred and eleven. The comes have you know across the Boardman struggling to hit but still find themselves in a solid postseason or excuse me a solid po position the postseason, and if they want to move on to the next round is like Boulez, they're going to need to get going need to. Turn their season around to try and help out their squad as much as possible there right now in a one. Oh, deficit to the MARLINS. So there one game away from getting knocked out I'm really looking to see bias, try and turn things around for his team for the season. He also had a hard time feeling wise this year although he does not get a lot of action as a mid- middle infielder. He did have the third highest airs committed in the NFL this year, but he did have the second most assists shores. Up as well. So somebody that is clearly a you know he is a good fielder I'm not saying that he's not because he had the third most errors or whatever, but he gets a lot of action. So as a result, it's kind of like a point guard in basketball point guard in basketball is touching the ball eighty, five percent of the time in the game they're going to ultimately probably turn the ball over a little bit more than somebody else would if they're not handling the ball as often in doesn't mean anything about that. Point Guard. It just means that they're going to be more likely turn turn it over just like as a shortstop that's getting a lot of over store stop I mean I don't have it. I don't have a chart in front of me but I'm sure if you did see a chart, bet you most heads that are on the ground wind up over towards or second in some sort of way in kind of that poll direction if you're a righty or left just depending on which side of the plate you're heading from, but he's Going to get a lot of reps, he's going to get a lot of action shortstop, and so he did have second most sits shortstop showing that you know percentage. Wise. He's a great fielder so he did have a good year fielding wise. But again, I mean committing that many years you don't WanNa see that obviously, but it was also on a smaller sample size. Now in the postseason, he is a to twenty eight average hitter with a six sixty, two OPIE S and fourteen rbi so he also doesn't have a lot of success. In the playoffs but with how weird this year is, and it is possible that play like Baya's able to turn their season around and eventually have themselves a very solid finish to the season. My next player Miguel no I mean he has a negative war and almost a sub two hundred average on the air and a league-high Ninety strikeouts. Talk about a brutal year for snow with only eighty nine total bases. He had more ks than he had total bases and he had more than he did hits as well. So now is known. For his power hitting ability and his ability to drive in runs as well with two of the last three seasons driving in seventy plus runs. He has the capability of being a solid hitter, but he hasn't had much of any lock in the last year or two of hitting a high percentage and with his Oh ps being down almost two hundred points from a year ago kind of concerning if you're the Indians in only four postseason games, he has struggled immensely with only one twenty, five career average. So this is a big year for. Not Having one hundred plus games under his belt. He'd be a little bit more I. Think rested. You'd think, and so you know we could see his head improve in these playoffs again. He's no longer in the playoffs and he didn't really show it. But I think that he did have a big challenge ahead of him going up against the Astros and he was he was able to manage one hit in the playoffs this year and and that came in the one game against the Astros September again was not a good month for snow. He only batted one, forty, eight, the entire year or excuse me he only batted one, forty eight in in the month. The entire year was struggle. You know who's a struggle for snow and if he wants to turn this season around well, he can't anymore. But if he wanted to turn that season around he was GonNa have to really perform well in. The opening game of the of the postseason but ultimately didn't really get a whole big of a shot of that because they got swept by the Yankees but still look to see snow maybe come back better than ever. Next year matchup is my next guy and Chavez quickly established himself as a power hitter in the league showing last year with thirty six. homers and ninety one. RBI's with an eight forty eight s and having back to back years in twenty, eight, thousand and twenty, nine, thousand, nine there were over eight hundred, zero pse or better. He had fifty four case to only eight walks year. So his strikeout rate was very high this year but that seems to be a trend for Chapman who had. Seventy three walks last year to one hundred and forty seven KS. Chapman is one of the main power hitters on this team and with Olsen also being a big power hitter for them and Marcus Simeon, and honestly, you could probably put all three of these players on this list mainly because all three of them have been struggling this year Chapman is hitting. Two thirty two this year with ten homers. So he did produce pretty decent power numbers this year but his war was way way way way down from the last two years where it was above eight in both seasons I mean he had a wildly high war he an eight point three war to be exact in two, thousand, eighteen, and twenty, nine, nineteen. So astronomically high I mean they say that eight and above is MVP caliber so that right there I mean, that was MVP caliber in those two years he's only played in two games in the postseason batting two, fifty in the two games combined two hits total and no homers RBI's but the PS hasn't been very good either with it being only A. Five eighty-three Clip in the first two playoff games. So clearly, a guy who doesn't do a great job in the playoffs, but it is clear. You know there's a very small sample size again. I'm he hasn't had a whole lot of opportunity hasn't had a whole lot of reps in the playoffs so you can't really gauge it a whole lot of that. He was third in the AL in both two, thousand, eighteen and twenty, nine hundred and and he was first in both years in defensive war with a three point, six clip in two, thousand eighteen and a three point nine clip in two thousand, nineteen I'm he's got a great great glove I'm pretty sure he's third baseman. So he's got a great glove. He's over at the hot corner and having a defensive or that high again that's pretty impressive. Twenty twenty has not been a good year for Chapman who clearly has been he's seen a decline in his numbers but. This ploughs could be exactly what he is needing to try and turn this unfortunate season for himself right around to allow for a strong finish to the year. Again, they've got a big pivotal game coming up against the white. SOx We'll see if they can continue on their playoff run and if not, then he's going to have to wait till next year to prove himself but if he's able to if they're able to win, I, think that Chapman Matt Olsen I mean Marcus semi and had a two run home run. So things might be on the up and up for. Athletics I mean they're in game three situation it's do or die. It's one one. This is where Chapman should step up to the plate and should you know walk right up to the limelight and say, Hey, I can do this. I can take on this role and I can really be productive player my last player and I put him on here because I'm kind of putting them on here as almost a challenge and I I mean, obviously, he's probably not gonNA listen to this but. With all the stuff they'd gone on this in in the off season I bring up a lot about the the Astra's allegations and their scandal because I mean it was. I mean I remember hearing all the news about it was probably one of the most groundbreaking things in baseball cheating. Wise since the steroid era and in all honesty, a lot of people said, this is probably bigger than steroids because now you're taking out the idea of biologically manipulating or your body, and now you're literally using technology. You're literally using signs stealing and you know banging on trash cans and you're doing it in other weird between technology and very rudimentary ways of communicating all of that mix together. I. It allow them to go to multiple world series and Jose Altuve who I'm about to get into right now. I mean, he was right in the middle of it I mean he a lot of its circled around him and he was one of the big name players on the Astros team that you know people felt he knew a lot about it and he was very involved in him and Bregman and To this day you know my reputation, my my my view of those two, you know their reputations in my eyes has has drastically decreased as declined incredibly But again, what there to say about altuve easier not much really not much at all I mean, he had a negative war of negative zero point four to nineteen average, which is over seventy points lower than what he finished with last year and not to mention the OPN is almost three hundred points below what it was the year before. As well, his offensive war was in the negative as well. A big shock. I know which again shows the struggle. He has had this entire season I put him on this list again because of the main reason being the cheating scandal that happened last year and all these allegations and everything that went on the off season, his name is mentioned a lot and then all of a sudden he's hitting near the Mendoza line and not having the year he's used to having it definitely makes you wonder. If. That was the reason he was hitting so well, and this season, he has a lot to prove I think with how poor the entire team has performed. They need to show the world that they can play without cheating and altuve eight needs to show that he can still hit well without having someone bang on a trash can let them know what kind of pitch is gonNA come next only time will tell you can pull his reputation out of the mud, but this postseason and his performance. In. It will be one of the ways in which he's able to turn things around for himself in this season and for his career and not to mention I. Mean they've got second life. Now you know they were they were a sub five hundred team going into the playoffs and now they're moving on into the LDS. So that should tell you one thing and one thing only this astros team they are capable of turning it up a little bit when push comes to shove. So I, mean. We'll have to see how to fares in the DS was pretty quiet in the wildcard rounds. Didn't really do much of anything if that and it just is kind of you know unfortunate that I think that I mean at one point I think his Jersey was one of the most popular Jersey cells or sales in all of baseball. You know I mean a lot of little kids looked up to him. A lot of just people players everybody looked up. To him because this is a five foot, seven baseball player that's hitting moon shots and he's having an unbelievable career. He's having an unbelievable year. He had five or six really awesome years all star you know he was a silver slugger so on and so forth, and then all this stuff comes out about him it's like you know and I kinda related to. Ryan Braun how all of that came out with Ryan Braun a couple years ago and his cheating scandal he was using steroids but again, very similar. I mean his reputation really went down hill from there and I think the same is happening Altuve Ages in different regard. So again, as we know a lot of guys who struggled this year and there was a really weird year, there's been no question about that. So we can see how it. Affected some of the players with the weird season this year has been. We'll see how it continues to affect any of these players moving forward into the playoffs I. Know some of these players might be balanced out by the time you listen to this on Saturday but in some of these players are already, you know gone like Miguel Santiago, he's already packed his bags and went home, but for the others that are still alive and remaining in the playoffs. We could see maybe a little bit of a turning of the tide turning of the page in their in their season for this year. So that'll wrap it up for us here today on the GMC baseball podcast. Thank you again for listen to GMC baseball podcast brought to you by the MC podcast network I would like to ask that you please. Remember to subscribe to the show and write a nice review that really helps us. Also, if you can please follow us on facebook twitter and instagram that would be much appreciation. We can keep you in the loop on all of this good playoff updates coming down the road once again, everyone thanks so much for joining me today and have a fantastic day. 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Who Would Be The Worst Possible Announcer

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Who Would Be The Worst Possible Announcer

"The the game saints one two slain remains the best kept secret you went platinum games i should have just been a baseball player i i messed up it's still alice wrong side of thirty my back doesn't work anymore you want that don't matter it's true i think for career paths will have if burdon keeps this up NBA's back on the table i'm just saying they're going to be looking copycat leagues everywhere you look i'm just saying it only takes one i'm watching it i got MLB an hour on mute right now it out the longest contract pitcher ever assigned was including this or before for this year just longest not largest somebody fund we've seen ten before so i'll say once there's only been one ten okay okay than tin no eleven i'll go live was mike hampton was not my candidate he's i think it was nine as well okay that's the one atma wayne let me make sure i got this weighing case wayne garland he signed it and nineteen seventies so he had free agency like the year was invented also yeah that sounds that don't don't count he didn't know no better 'cause it was this mind that this is the haley's comet man this might eh happen again they get so afraid and see was invented right when and he had a twenty seven record that's not matt do basically can't base more like i became a free agent i hit thirty six percent of my threes the right time and w man galaxy he signed a ten-year guess how much money will you seventy seventy what seventy seven ninety seven ten year two million two point three yeah like it should be like wow generational well he here's released a five years into the deal cole got nine three twenty four yeah i like so he was one of twenty four ball players this wayne remarks wayne garland it was one of of twenty four ballplayers who profited from the advent of MLB free agency following the seventy six season a torn rotator cuff rendered his playing career to a cautionary tale of the risks of signing pitchers to free agent contracts gala was constantly criticized by cleveland's incompetent management for not living up to his contract even though the decline in his performance was entirely due to a serious arm injury that could not be fixed by mid seventies sports sports medicine and had fans savagely boeing him and even vandalizing his car during games the love sports i've been they bring out the best of us they bring us together i'm just having a lot of fun got all the nine plus new year nine plus year deals with new teams arrived pool halls prince fielder robinson canal machado harbor garrick call the era deal works take it lists nationals like what we got our little slap on the wrist albatross the yankees do party saying the tweet dislike i stanton this they're gonna pay a toraasen the judge like wow maybe baseball the yankees ain't back-back it's the fact that that was the first reacted i saw from a lot of the people like what what are they gonna do in twenty twenty who cares who cares basketball sense of where the the into twenty two twenty twenty seven man we need to apologize in unhappy i don't know figure it out six years later i get certainly need some sort of foresight but i don't know if that's like if you're a fan fan and your first thing is like a man i are capitalist team sassou people making like sixty mill water we to do julia julia watch i like the big three i'll think there's such a thing as salary cap pale man i guess i want i heard on multiple like oklahoma city's over the luxury tax now and they're just fine with it to me hearing that and now that the pirates are a billion dollar franchise no one has any excuses now now it's tripler or a bad team where they might playoffs they probably they're like they're seven have a the tenth seed we'll see right end up but not enough to where it's like oh yes now we're paying the tax to complete the but now here this is preposterous it's also just if feels like when when the steroid arroyo story broke in like the mid who's at o. five one was what was it like big sure you're a beeping with i don't know what that is irvine uh-huh uh-huh in baseball i gotta say now i feel like the market efficiency just straightening for teams people who don't wanna pay that's like every sport it would appear running backs i would never never now i blog it last night because all of the big concert well you get the fuck out here walking around out how to talk to his neighbors is nanan thank you bora signed like every big deal that baseball's ever had i think if he walked into running back you'd be paying a hand over professed tag beg at this point i don't even know what he didn't even know what he says who is negotiating against is just understood we're not leaving here without one thousand australia's burs was thirty five million exactly endear colo's was thirty six exactly as i into extra years wasn't enough had to get that one per year yeah it's always like negotiating against himself at that point that's what i'm saying so like as a team is like a war six hundred million dollars in case he somehow pantages to meet even done yet they still like he started this summer this off-season yeah he's still got down rio and someone else was the other one but he signed consistently the biggest deal in baseball he's three times busy like the biggest history said it three times this calendar year already only take one team for break it only one one milwaukee brewers like a man we don't know if we can get a guy like this in the room and he got he's i've been doing this since ninety two somehow he got greg maddox was one of his original clients like pretty good pretty good place to be was just the best scout ever he was like announced a major business these debt but i was just a really good scout i just found a great talent as part of it too because he got a. rod right outta high school cool like pretty decent guy to hitch your wagon to it was he was number one overall yeah he i have one and two in that draft taivon apple now that was leading he did have an bob although of course he did start the potman maddix five twenty eight ninety two which is i don't know five hundred million in today you know they were raising hell about greg maddux kidding me chicago was big without i'm pretty sure that was like a record for an extension than that ended like he didn't really do anything again other than just get high school alex rodriguez so pretty good desi does ads like don't worry honey the body's gotten no trust me twice that a ninety seven at maddox again five year fifty seven point five that was the biggest contract baseball history it just on this klein alone you double own contract right like a half decade pass and then you got him another half decade of money though that acts had kevin brown seventy eight hundred seven one zero oh five biggest contract in baseball history i believe it was making fun of the two thousand rolls around alex rodriguez ten year two hundred and fifty two million dollar deal biggest not baseball sports i think that's the yeah that's the deal that's burned into me is the first time i was playing holy hill because even now what was weird eric bit two thousand one two thousand two thousand two twenty years later gear coaches got three twenty four might get the lot to fifty two over ten twenty years ago was mind blowing was the record before that AJ cagey it was exactly half yet won what twenty twenty one over the previous baseball record given brown i would assume so what what does the same two years prior yeah because i it was just like that's more than the rangers are worth it was it was a contra it was more than they paid yet and arise like a you know what this might be the best player of all time he's he's like twenty five twenty four twenty five started so young you do you pay to get it was that his first he only did six six years for the seattle right that was correct drafted in ninety three and then came up in ninety four out in two thousand nine hundred memories and i didn't know why he did three years in texas i felt like it was longer if i remember correctly likely texas didn't even have like his licensing like like they couldn't use his he's not a ride owned his rights as well so it wasn't even like he's like you're just getting the basketball player near you get market may i'm gonna make more money off that i think it worked out for in two thousand one he got thirty seven year old bonds five five years ninety would steal correct o-5 like this is a some of these deals just like anyone could negotiate carlos beltran when he hit the open market it was just like this guy is a great baseball player of all time right yeah just whatever whatever whatever he wants whenever he takes he got seventy one nineteen and then the next offseason this is where it's like all right this guy was this this was international boris he brokered the entire dice gay deal with with boston that was over a hundred mil combined it was like fifty to even set up the meeting and the transfer fear without so he got a commission on all of it oh baby eighty and then two weeks later he got barry zito zito to sign a with seven i think it was seven one twenty six the the giants record two thousand eight mark to share hit a bidding war between i think it was the angels angels red sox and yankees suggest the red sox yankees either way he had those involved and that whole off season it was just like in boston it was like moctezuma's our new first baseman like that's locked in and then the yankees opted by like twenty or thirty million in and one more year and we were like this couldn't couldn't calls our out for us to share it was really good he gave a lot of good years is but the last couple of years not great eight hundred eighty none of them are he got how forty two two year old mania ramirez two year forty five million dollar deal from the dodgers what's nip were along yeah i didn't even look it up but in that same offseason he got strasbourg coming out of college which was a big fucking deal oh ya ah i remember he was not like number one regardless correct our people even gonna take him because of course and they're like yeah he's good he got fifteen point one million out of the nationals a record for traffic good lower you'll notice today hold you hold it because let's run through some of these more numbers than we'll get to it got it got strasbourg that acts offseason he got what was supposed to be his his catch a guy named brice hiber whippersnapper he signed him i think it was something like eight million which was a record for catch aw whatever happened today i tried a different position i don't know if it worked out but in that same offseason he got that matt holliday seven years hundred and twenty one hundred twenty million dollars from the cardinals pretty good trying to when i was trying to think of the play that one day it was malehda now there's incredible yeah that's the guy was like no listen he's really really good because i hated like all the cardinals i don't hate him as much i think he's just i think he just took the money he's cardinal cardinal he's aboard i don't hate you too much that same like week he got jason worth seven twenty six from the nationals jason worth was really go to that he was not better than that holiday how did he get him more money listen to him i'm negotiating debt and bill trans have been half a rod negotiable bike got fifty to listen trust me you're not era take it for me to watch i bought you wanna go straight ahead deal so you'll you'll take one twenty two and you'll like and he's like yes okay boers also negotiated the a rod trade to boston that arm the players association eventually actually nick's 'cause i think iraq was going to waive it was something like thirty million like there was some trade kicker something that brought it's like two eighty i think and he waved that playstation was like we can't have that kind of president we just can't turning down i'm hugging aug. pretty much yeah boy did he so he got jason worth matt holliday bryce hochberg for just two hundred and twenty plus million dollar deals and then harbor who he was just like this will another play we're good in sitai eight twenty time was also the same year a rod brokaw from him inside his own thing so barrages that guy jason worth skadden i'm getting a big bag i need to recoup some twenty twelve twenty twelve prince fielder nine years two hundred and fourteen million even what his commission it does it even matter whether it's three or five percent in cares he make it more than five on that's what i'm saying dan like at this point i mean he he can he can say twenty nine people bill okay at your clearly gonna give you the best deal so right right yeah it's like our i can go with this other guy he's gonna take three but i'm also gonna get just like one year deals forever because the sky stakes when it gets gets time to crunch numbers neighbors also again i'm stunned nine to thirteen year deal like this is it i don't need scott borsa my next contract i'll be forty two after that it says it says five percent but again maybe maybe that is how he gets it's these guys who'd like to listen to only tape five percent but i know i'm going to get you more than anybody so so my five percents still be more than anybody else my percents still ten million dollars so i'm yeah i'm cool so there's like yes okay he got elvis andrews like prince failed it was the big deal and he hit the market like i somewhat get that heating come close out the half that contract elvis this andrews the next offseason he got eight one twenty eight one twenty texas right yeah he had made two all star games prior to signing adding that deal you know how many accolades not even all star games just accolades he's earned says he signed this deal zero to could could i looked at it if i was like korea only got one all star appearance and it was in twenty seven cotin sounds like interesting i still trade form form but interesting i would take courageous even with the red sox whose left side of the infield is fine courageous figure it out like you play some left like i don whenever whenever you wanted to cut some costs he can play for free of the achieve the same winner is andrew's eight one twenty which i still don't understand how that happened he got ellsbury one hundred and fifty three just to do nothing to do absolutely nothing and they got shouldn't you too yeah reds legend he got him a hundred thirty mil which angels right now taxes still text takes us was driving in a big bag shinshu choose the first player and i'll be history to sign a hundred million dollar deal with zero all star games under his belt i'm i'm pretty sure he's made at least one cents in true conley pretty much twenty fifty and he was like i i've done all i can do twenty fifteen it got max scherzer seven to tad at people are like that's a bad deal now now johns i wasn't he made one all star game two thousand eighteen okay i didn't even know you still playing as as we as apes guitar bass plays a nice outfield gets on days this calendar year he got harbor thirteen what was it three thirty yeah got strasbourg's deal he got garrett cole still still he still has anthony ran down who's probably gonna be two hundred eighty two ten somewhere in that range thirty per louis and then review raves gonna get a solid deal he also which i didn't realize when i'm getting images to get thumbnail for the blog i was writing he brokered tyler's deal to the athletics i didn't know that i saw the picture posted but i do not the i do remember that that is not like what kylie white ninth 'cause he's still like he wasn't a a huge deal in mainstream college football yet it was like i this guy is gonna come and replace baker like oklahoma has their quarterback but it it wasn't no this guy is top pick next year if he plays football hours it was just yeah he's gonna do for year play and i was kozelsk and a lot of people i can't even believe the as let him play like for injury resistance and turned up for other let's stay very healthy to yeah as i say if he turned an ankle game six and just never has great year by games of i don't know what he's playing right right now but he didn't and he was the number one pick he made the right choice with you do it did although quarterback is different that's that's that's why he made the right choice because any position you should listen he could also be a franchise left tackle baseman DMZ yeah baseball my still crazy though it is but you only the thing and with baseball you really like you get a decent deal for your great prospect which he he'll get that i deal your serve his time time for the football quarterback i don't know how many times drew brees is restructured as many times like the deal you sign one means nothing but it's i'm gonna give you a lot of money you restructure it's gonna get you more either now or later in you'll be there for the later so right it's baseball baseball like that he'll never sign that nine three twenty four hour news with second baseman was he's second baseman i thought it was like shortstop stop outfield yes infielder so he say like best case scenario he got got would if windows getting two hundred but if kyla got one twenty pretty good but not random because we don't really good uh he he'd get eight for one twenty six years from now for six years from now he's going to be sinan hanan five years two hundred one hundred fifty a by january first yeah i've absolve out hope he tries both would have to like if he does like if he ended up being so bad and football with you try if he ends up like just pretty good like trying to think if he ended up mad at you stafford level i discussed discuss they're not winning anything but this guy's pretty good would he be like i can do both i guess not my fault we're losing he's if he's like an elite quarterback news i wonder i do well it would also be interesting it's like the aids are pretty good he's just like yeah although algo although i don't even know if he's active contract with them i can't remember don't thinks i wanna say that signed with the cardinals voided it he'll dead i wanna say he ex yeah there was some amount of i remember there being like mazi yet to give back yeah he had a forfeit some i think that was like you're choosing NFL for good because the gardens are like and change your mind again and he do you know what his rookie contract was like tyler is right now for NFL what he's making right now ever since i got away from negotiating i've just not even paying attention to slotted contracts for five by thirty four thirty five and then the fifth year option is i think some of it i one other base why would i wanna see baseball like this he would make two hundred ten thousand in cash baseball tower will but he wasn't a taylor he would have been in the majors this year the entire year so but that was part of part of boris laurus is hall swindle was just like they're gonna fast track you to the majors like greg keep you away from football now of course you can say that but but then if you're up there hitting a buck seventy keep you go further pigskin fellow man please go play football thank i wanna say i think the fifth year option it's like all four years of something of your contra either added up because i wanted to say jamie is on netflix janus blake got got it i think winston eram mariota mariota at it so he's already getting four for thirty five in leisure than either be probably twenty million or the first year of a new contract which will be way more won't so he's talk turned out pretty good for have you seen where james ranks and just like the stats all james is making twenty million dollars that's the fifth year option just going number one he's also so likely likely lead the league in passing yards touchdowns and interceptions that's gotta be stewart the triple crown yeah i don't know who asked that'll get him again the brand new twenty me now let's see if if you can do it again same thing twenty point nine million so that fit your option worst case scenario if he doesn't have the contract it'd be five years fifty five million and he'll be like twenty five hundred signed a deal baseball at that point too the whole football thing fiddles or if it doesn't like i'm good either way is is closed tiny they can't cost that much now and what was boris's networth this felix i'm just gonna be way off on so i'm gonna say like one twenty five oh boy is like six hundred as the update the last time this was updated was twenty just seen it a couple new deals twenty eighteen i don't even know let's say the bright illusion decide that in two thousand nineteen yeah now i'm looking now this has commissioned from twenty eighteen so nothing this year eh his net worth is four hundred million dollars pretty good not including this year which that alone that's gotta pull them another fifty fifty million from going alone he f- it's five k. if he's running off five percent signs uh what seats on six hundred million six hundred and sixty million dollars whereas so that's what thirty three billion that'd be twelve of strasbourg's herbs along the three of them would probably be a smooth for fifty cut out the thirty and taxes run as doing all right sixty seven to he could do this for ten taxing on you know i can't imagine it is omitted i used to think i was like what he ever given to basketball just know he you could do the same or would even bother because at that point it wasn't worth it but now since the cat jumped he got to be thinking proud lose that kit bays more seventy billion dollars seventy eight of such a small number to him he's an i think as bad he represents jaanus he's like kit bates or no he's that's the thing with him too is those the the highlights of the deals he signed like he has some very mid players that he's also plans only takes a lot like he'll he'll sign a lot of people at the draft and be like we'll see what happens now the folks couldn t get what five two hundred thousand that's what he likes to hear he got he got johnny damon four fifty fifty two after he left boston or the yankees red sox pitching four forty all year and didn't budget it all i'll go get twelve more that's six hundred k. in my pocket no problem got kevin millwood five sixty from the rangers despite millward's like not having an arm this the magli ordonio five seventy five that anglia wow that could get what i mean what you talk about a name great name maglione or donas on yes he dark low four thirty six the one one month since i'm saying these the ones where i felt he could exact or thirty six or knack against kent vases more for seventy the eight he had about my mid tier baseball i keep my league baseball swipe up amid to your baseball for mid tier basketball aw dollar age where i think he would get bored with basketball feels like negotiating basketball doesn't exist anymore it's like you're either amac's guy you're not i slick for boys or bring back because i i it'd be one of those things where he negotiates again all it takes is one deal and i think what he might what i would like about basketball like you can use that base but he's done with gary cole- right lebron's going to opt out in two years decide another deals to probably up to two years to provide more deal so as it keeps rising isan your your your check keeps rising commission israel chris paul man yet because i feel like if he negotiated chris paul when he got that deal so it would have been the point where hopefully people that okay we can't boris got that we can't we ak behaved like that wouldn't work terrible right but they try he had adrian bell trae trey for i believe his whole career he played forever he had j. d. drew he had drew sign five fifty five then opt out two years inside the red sox game at three thirty three left and he was like now it's opt out i'm going to give you five seventy don't worry about it stephen drew as well not quite as much money they changed the rules of the draft because boris kept fucking teams don't take my nose he'd basically haven't hold out like so they put a a hard deadline of august fifteen like you had to set the drafts june or july care member and so now just like august fifty and since then i believe it was one of his guys to didn't hit the deadline went back to college yeah mark appel but the style yeah i think it was pittsburgh they took him they took him eighth and he chose he went back to school and astros took him i the next year time and he just stock brazier ended up back in pittsburgh inisia- says stunk all on see kyle loesch money listen so everyone is getting chris a advise kris bryant he didn't have kris bryant quarterback contracts trash you know the highest paid is for this year matt ryan now he has thirty i is six that town with the game changes number one russell wilson thirty five number to ben rothlisberger burger thirty four yoga tied at number three aaron rodgers jared goff ronca five i wince ryan cousins garoppolo stafford car breeze that you tapped in of all players this guy's making over thirty all of them over thirty ryan and above so six of them okay that's there's gotta be more than at many guys that are making me as you think they're making thirty already made this year fucking juice thirty or start well he'll start there's eight this year there i i mean hayward does buys harassed as al horford alfred still must let's lay our does not but the horford does not okay combat players pretty good lot of players it one per game and that doesn't include i think it's got to take off next year because it doesn't include a lotta uh the others twenty-one nick year cow joins the list year after thirty so the money is growing oh but then it jumps to twenty three but this is also a lot of options start kicking right thing twenty twenty twenty twenty four twenty twenty twenty five salary is established at absurd to me it shouldn't exist garrick calls the twenty thirty two salaries established honest listen there's no oh captain like there's no there's literally zero head have you seen the picture of him on the yankees yet oh yeah not garrity press conference i it's it's not a i don't know when are they must've brought a uniform out a the winter meetings adam just take this in a room i mean this guy is unrecognizable good a already wasn't super recognizable but i i often forget the yankees antiquated facial hair and just hair rules and i was like this guy signed three hundred million dollar deal perfect i'm going to blend right in with these six three six four like he's tall but but not like crazy all right let's see six four six four new york afraid just regular wear a hat man for your call the price is gonna get traded at any minute now got cut money i guess if if they cut all this money money then turn around trade beds i'm going to be why you cut the money to also cut money yeah can't wait asking to be sick of baseball i thought something else with the basketball baseball star series make the balls malla tesla yes cut the size of the ball a hat he basically the grapefruit now but i do like if a west team comes east for a couple of games it is that not easier to market a bigger matchup at a eastern conference time isn't that what you want yeah you want would assume that some of the issues of the clippers or the warriors are good again if any of these teams are coming west for two games in detroit right two games in whatever aren't you getting to prime time games because again who they're playing does it matter it's just the laker like it's the lakers you once the it's luca you want so you're getting two of these eight PM at the option of eight PM or whatever the other part of of this two would be to really just tryin take the NFL's sundays as and college football saturdays when they go away and that's where you can get the the west teams on at like like if you're seden- tames east out west basically saying western conference DMC there a on the east coast during the week or on the weekends during the day if if they wanna stay at home like i feel like that if somebody's there for more than one night it feels like a wave that could be staggered it's like okay we know we can gotta like a good team going west for two nights we've got the clippers on at eastern tear that the clippers might hit affiliate boston new york back to back to back i mean we have six potential primetime clippers games at eight PM eastern time it makes us just so i'll do it now aw but man oh man it just like there's too much fixable fixable now to be doing the kind of fix they try to fix the bigger issues like the you know the center of the decade is did did you see that top dragonfly talking about it it's it's weird when a guy starts like when you associated more with a different decade like dwight but he was still cooking into fourteen fifteen fifteen it just when you start making these lists you haven't thought of that guy in that light for good five years ears you just almost forget about him entirely now you do but as you look at it i don't argument for those i don't if i could see the argument argument for if you don't want to have five traditional like one center one power for whatever right i could see that but if you have a traditional center i don't see it has not the way our as much as i would love to say it's anthony davis eighty get dropped twenty twelve jesus christ yeah so like by the time he was again he was always found but we're talking about like accolades accolades accolades so for first team he's made three first teams no seconds note thursday just those three this decade alone the white white made a second team team in two i teams now would be four to four but somebody decided to be addicted last year and again this is this is how what happens now there's his money in the long term does eddie davis none of slow but if we if they do this in two weeks center of the decade we're like how was anthony davis not the especially if he dominates the twenty twenties the way right appears like he could how was he not dwight our wow but do i have read more team success he had four said thank you same number of all defensive teams and one of his defensive player of the year was was this day so i was like i'm sure they'll pull this debt like most rebounds of the decade i was like he's gotta have that that just from like drunk he came at twenty twelve as well big hurt his back at first year like that might be the difference the what i got hurt too but like the canceling out athletically blake dwight has the most rebounds maybe blocks of the decade gate is going to be taking my finger anthony davis and i hate to do it i'm not saying he should be the guy but somebody's gotta kept his head down i know he's made with a first team wasn't it de'andre dana's got three in that time so right and trump got to at least one that's why and now this year one of yeah like one of yoga towns and be need eighty forgetting janas who's thirteen last year go bare kobe bear over yet to those is our ass out this this year yet this decade the android has rebounded titles a first team to third teams to defensively to defensive teams it was very durable so can you pull the all time stat i bet he's got more rebounds and blocks anthony davis decade what about tyson chandler now i don't think he did enough like accolade accolades play the he had yet one third tame in two thousand twelve that was the player of the year correct yeah that's that was the first team into second teams like i he didn't have a case of ray davies no no but it should be two first names because at that second team came one of those teams came the raiders defensive player of the year actually he shouldn't he shouldn't have different to play the year that's how that's fine too but i astrid thanks someone who played the entire decade also if it goes that would be another deep into play for deer dwight this decade i think is even rebounding rebounding you only average w. two rebounds three times this decade who eighty no chela LA oh yeah that's his but he's a guy he's got an olympic twenty appreciate it was right after he won the right yeah yeah doc was at an all time high you'd think he gets an offering i wouldn't be surprised eight appliances oh a still playing yes somehow that's because it's a one all star one third eighteen refers teams but it was on the twenty twelve olympic team has the rain is gonna play backup minutes minutes he may end up with another reason the f. honestly at that point he's a case where we're we're talking like row players i would put tyson chandler before i will put robert horry you so if i put tyson enchantment then at that point one of mike okay i'm fine with guys like rubber aurea but i will put it by thais channel i think he did it more consistently for longer like he was a team player of the year he was a focal point roberson robert nelson you shouldn't ahead with ah we can do that i'd love to take rose's MVP and one of national is but at the different but forget that mike guy for the twenty two thinks gotta be dwight i feel like eighties probably second team and deandre is probably thirty no-go bear he don't know all star games were like none he's got multiple defense play the years he's got to ali BA's probably eight thirteen but doing it longer than i even i realize thirteen really kicked cooking these black i'll say if he gets another the one this she like how we do it this year closes out the decade right for accolades and stuff so the accolades decided in twenty twenty money will be the final of the two thousand nineteen because he gets three straight defensive player of the year tim yeah i would say so it's the second honestly it'd be good to just because if he doesn't have to play the year which really gets three eighty wooden right trek they afford forget than someone who retired in like twenty seventeen that's what i'm trying to look now like the marta saw it ourselves i think he was into three draft agent he just like just stop playing now though one one rang at the beginning of the decade allows tackling twenty ten cow yes that's the thing like it really is a and even in like he's having is probably not a lot to second teams to thirty teams like no deepen tobacco it's that's what marcus grand and blake griffin's take him on a trip man i don't know you know who it might be let me say that because i'd hate to hear that now you know who's going to be it's going to be lamarcus aldridge he's he was drafted in osa but he didn't start the cooking he didn't start making all star team of twenty twelve he's made seven he's made five all NBA teams this decade he's gonna i feel it would slide above pow he slide above AD because again eighty to see them now out try to think alike mar bazaar horford now i mean knows how to play the year right horford good guy yes welfare is going to be lamarcus aldridge audrey if they just like make yacht like like yeah this is also a senator working just giving it to him fine with that i saw saw people just make it position let's give kuwata fist and i was like you make it position let's worst book is the worst westberg alaska honestly for this guy he's got i think all teams is more than like two more than steph curry is made i think three in his life westbrook or have eight this decade MVP which not does quite clearly a better player but if you're talking only this decade right russ would have to be tougher position lists after have to be i'm charlie teams uh-huh see if there's anyone they really isn't saying like i'm some the second and third team center like a ran like at a couple but not enough andrea pop and now strong agree ah like embiid towns yoke goes guys too late in the game roy blake not a center bynum didn't do it long enough china and ler chelsea doesn't have have enough amari's most of his stuff was before the turn of the decade it might still be tim duncan honestly he probably made about that he made at least one first team after i got one thirteen one defensive yuck he would make the top one thousand what about dunkin hand he's got one all NBA this decade it was not the first and third team a guy and he's got to dig defensive team so he'd been mix is the mix for share dre doesn't count for this i wanna talk a minute to but okay i don't i don't think he's got there he's another one that just kind of doesn't have the he's got a second team of thirteen that's it and this run their run as we know it as over not to say that they're over but in the best five-year run maybe an NBA history he made it to only eighteen eighteens make three okay a deep to his credit i really do think he should have won but to play the years but he doesn't get your now he's got five all defensive teams so if you want to say that might get him in there and the contribution contribution to winning team but they might junkie off the contract soon certainly possible it's crossing their team's best but he hasn't been good you know now i mean the some of the stuff that makes them as good valuable as is at doesn't play basketball for that team either currently are or whatever again they not even cool cool like friends no more but it's like it's like they stink but he's also shooting forty percent from the field they stink but he's also twenty eight percent from three yeah yeah we finally get to see what marcus smart do if he just had his own team of everyone clear out for marcus it has you you had people talk about ben simmons four russell and i and the like this warriors pick this up whichever pick they get it's going to be one through four because they on the bottom floor so there's it's going to end up like eighth or anything i'll think it will if they traded if they had ben simmons for the rest of the year nope i'm saying i think this trade would have to work one if i'm philly i need to see what pick that is right after the season yes that's what i'm saying so it wouldn't be for this year at all if people wanna find the most of it was golden state would say yes philly would say no yeah i agree to but most of the objections ask okay why would why do you think it would be a case i don't know if they valued angelo's much value simmons and it's one one of those things too where if they're in win now which they very much are i don't know how much they value the pack unless they're gonna take the pick attached that in turn with tobias to get another bradley bradley beal something like that again again i think that's what people were saying i think both of those are extremely valid and i was like the flip side of that is one it does give you that option which again if you had like tobias hairs and if it turns out to be like right supposed to be the number two pick in the draft and i know this is a weak draft but it's we i think it's week if you've got number eight last year it wasn't like if you had a if you get eight i don't know if you've got to labor you're getting james wiseman or edwards that's a like acid like ed weber like the real deal if you golden state's just like we just wanna add james wiseman people are like oh no it is a bad drafter that happens we also keep hearing like i-it's it's it's wicked eight and then matisse goes at like twenty two it's it's like all right so what is it we can eight urges team at eight stink at drafting and it was actually week around like twenty two but for that reason was week from eight to nineteen yeah yeah that's how we keep seeing this every all the time yeah now say golden state dropped to so the further like if you're one the further you can drop his four so right now the lowest drp is five i just kacem lottery and they got fifth so yeah that's exactly what i need to see it because the angelo gelo in the fifth biggest draft doesn't really do it for me see i also might even a i don't think that can make a trade until the lottery players are anyways if they don't do it yeah that's that's that's the only way they play out we would know what pictures so but also oh it's just like as long as simmons wasn't there winning them games and they still had those like top five worst that's like i still think there's a lot of value there even not one obviously if simmons wasn't in golden state website if he got there he would win them more game aim so like they wouldn't even have no i i agree on what i'm saying again this would not happen to the suit this season would continue exactly as normal right so i hear like phillies they can win now good it wouldn't affect disease so yet draft night but i guess the thing is like if you're just gonna take that ah to go and acquire someone else you could probably just do that seven's straight up like why you need russell the thing is it's is like russell still an all star point guard he he would still at a spacing to their offense they just haven't had in the simmons era it that alone if it's like okay we can get that one bird in the hand that's the whole point that's why i i get whether or not but i thought people be higher on the pick because it's not maybe the six pick this this is like maybe the one pick i think if you did it closer to the draft and they knew what that pick was you'd see answers listen rest assure rest leicestershire i'm keeping a tab on both of these guys for that reason but it was like yeah we can turn a either into like anthony edwards who i think is shooting like eight threes a game like like thirty eight percent if we just drop both of those onto our offense right now and one of them's dirt cheap or again if they do say okay what can to buy his hairs and this pick get us it can get something pretty good i don't know how bill i just don't know if he's available for sure he's not on niagara out after did that i'd have to look for individual names but building that i think you could get something interesting or again if somebody mighty else's like you don't want james wiseman like philly would have the pick but it's like we have no need for wiseman who wants they might turn that into the number five pick this year in two future i like inca trae type tatum faults tight you get your guy we just want future assets which would give them some flex because right now they're team is their team they just paid simmons everybody's paid this is there today so and right now again i don't know they're trying to win now i don't know what the winner right now take a scott better quick and right now where they're at four or five there'd be looking at going through the raptors first round tough series bugs second round yeah and then whoever of celtics celtics he made it and if you're in the conference finals you deserve to be there so that's what i don't philip seen so far i don't see making the finals and at that point like the filiasi now i could see losing second round in a second round then are they like whoa this is our were locked to our future in laws in the second round three straight years in the weaker conference so at that point but i also also there's a lot of people think sell short the angelo dan's a good player in his own right is that i don't think he's getting credit for it but there there's also a guy was like why golden state thrown in the pit simitis better are we sure in every was not i don't know what positive of that guy that guy is phillies pick right yeah like a right now now in a terrible season admittedly dandelos still at twenty two and six it shouldn't eight threes a game at twenty thirty five percent that ability low you dropped drafted under phillies offense it just changes there it changes it gets more than numbers but it is a russell embiid pick and roll is completely we different changes you defend him in everybody on the court this is where i bet philly would like they still had covington 'cause getting russell and they're getting simmons added there would be a huge boost their offense and potentially devastating stating to their defense i mean again that's why you like you'd still have what richardson embiid horford and yet it depends on what you do with that fits again maybe it's anthony edwards he's the plus defender maybe it's just matisse maybe it's zaire maybe it's you figure that out but i i kinda feel you have that problem right now 'cause you still have your four and when you have if you just don't have the spacing deangelis lower change immediately and the change that immediately you think in these good now give them two guards that can shoot you'd like legitimately shoot simmons is a great players all right that's not a strength but embiid with some legit spacing come on man it'd be better that's why and then on the flip side i can't believe how many people were like golden are you killing me golden state spacing him enjoy mine i can't tell i was like a serious they were yes yeah i mean i it's kevin durant but listen harrison barnes ends may work next to festus zealander monterey because of stephanie klee i think steph clay draymond simmons is long as your third player is like a average plus shooter i feel like you're golden well i think part of the reason people are saying that is i don't don't know how high people like how you feel about durant coming back when he had suffered a much worse injury i think people a lot of people feel allows about staff they saw him not playing all that well earlier this year or at least his play was leading to wins and then he got hurt i think people are like people people want a reason to not like him brute against him and i think they got that almost immediately this year now he's been outta sight outta mind i think they're like clay i i don't i don't think anyone's change their opinion on clay except for jack back but i wouldn't be surprised if part of the reason people are pushing against that putting them together because they just don't think steps going to be what he was before again it doesn't appear doubting the best shooter of all time because he broke his non shooting hand four games into the season i don't want you voting him up oh i don't even i don't even think it's the injury itself it's just that they're losing earlier this year they played four four games a yes no and they're allowed for by god they were still i don't know how many of those dangelo played and he missed the first i know they played together you know for sure but i i don't wanna say daniel was at the first two tickets as a love basket- i'd never remember a single thing about the suspicious doesn't matter let's see yeah curry got hurt in game four there were one and two they lost to the clippers i don't think it's any great shakes or anything band they beat the pelicans awful which is good they lost the thunder which felt bad the time that's what i'm saying which i don't think is there bennett so glad house but yeah i remember those game now staff add twenty three eight to nine from three and the angelo had six three ten c today play now now dan he did play i four i'll take there so it was just like it was yet claes out and like you said nobody's worrying about klay long-term now so like that again if you're worried about staffer that he's thirty one he was in the finals his fifty in the finals last last year yep kevin durant one doesn't get hurt they have one more if they have mohawk last year they probably still with the championship the temp right now you'd have dream on and sim like defensively alone and clay i'd i think that would make it work in the third player you drop in i don't i'm trying to even think of like who's just an average small for 'cause they'd be trying to get funky funky y'all signed davis bretons at the three i don't wanna hear it because shit about space and concerns jail grain hand no same way dunking on a on a twelve footer now it's just like like it's like it's like bad like is worse than jail jail grains was like here like a last knuckle like his like four fingers like it's just committed uh-huh yeah now that's the spring quarter i had no idea whatever he gives them good spin off their bought aw tell you what it sure does and people have been killing pop an RC buford recently lewis i m people eh i think deserve because like somebody vlada did this you never hear the end of it now there's part of that too where it's like you have ladas never you're done anything on the other side of it either for sure but it also wasn't just this now they literally gave him away design on one worse player to worst pray that ultimately didn't end up coming the way they handled the situation embiid arable it's out of the way the first round of last year's playoffs the way they could have won embarrassing abra gave a bigger deal i think probably do something stupid with drum or drum derosa dozen they're going to give him like four for one hundred and just like keep keep just keep making this mistake and and i like like we're at a point it's like oh boy everybody knows granddaddy probably shouldn't be driving there i'm going to i'm trying to think of an actor take just an average small ford could be who they could attain and put it the five lab because i really the spacing really i can't think of the third name would have to be derozen for me to even maybe worry about the spacing for golden state yet that's how confident i am it's death in clay this was this was dame and CJ but i get they're really good they're not the best of all time good so i get it this is the best of all time i'm trying to think even if it's like kacem draymond could realistically listrik you could plug them at any of the three remain like it doesn't even need to really be a way could be like a stretch five as long as you can if you can hit a shot you can see 'cause defensively if it's a wing if the wayne are smallish guard klay bigger wing simmons draymond plan to pay whatever if you can shoot and move your feet hundred percent i'm look like oh boy like gallinari gallinari right if they put in gallon out there that can afford him i mean we'll see we'll see what it takes what if it's just like completely league average jae crowder i don't know if he's the the average anymore honestly all right fine but someone all right so what what was the last time i league average like three years ago that's what i'm trying to i'm trying to find like who's who's that honest like joe michael green may yet because i feel like he would be fine they're gonna look joe let the let joey hairs slat out there he's coming to boston next year that's already lockton i guess but donna vich if they get bogdonovich off the kings and i just feel like it gives you so many options because you know defend against steph steph can hang defensively it's not like a but we gotta worry about him too he can hang naggus vanfleet but you're not playing them every night now very rarely i honestly freeman lead to free agent if you'd be amply is at third now i'm listening some shooting everywhere i the going to happen because i do think some like if i originally i'm right now and i had been simmons and joylin beat and people in my office talking about trading one of them i would just constantly like i would just have a poster behind me of of durant and james harden and russell westbrook on the sunday and i just point to it every time they brought it up leads which one of those guys is good get another none of them's james harden howled fucking simmons twenty two almost thirty you must know like twenty two we say this all the time about guys like who knows what three years is both of them are going to look like like embiid's only concern has ever been health and we haven't even talked about that in three years here's the thing i don't disagree with that but with the money they spend i don't know i disagree with them doing that with them given al horford this money they're ready to win now right they're not winning right now i don't think those two building stone can they one day yes but if you're trying to get if you're telling me you're trying to win now i don't think they can so it's all along with you because i can see both again there are no windows so if you're trying to play like simmons and be for ten years ideally daily but that just doesn't exist anymore now so if you are trying to win now like dangelo held simmons is twenty three how's the angelo gelo twenty four same age or was it like the yearbook simmons is nine hundred sixty angelo ninety five no ninety six both ninety six six times right there like five months apart so as youngest hindus imagine he'll be twenty eight imagine the angelo like for that same reason he's never he'd never played with him be now very sure hasn't i just think it's and again i'm for the most part i think these guys any talent can work but if you're talking about right right now i don't think this team is they're not being the bucks i'm not sure which of the other like the next year eastern i don't think they'd beat the books they're geared to beat them i don't think they would beat them but we'll that's why we played a game so if you're trying to when right now but not winning right now what are you a new line of thinking in the NBA teams have a little well that's the side of it i keep thinking to like seven at incredible would be incredible khuda get after stealing dangelo russell for kevin durant leaving and then falling backwards as those lottery big seven sabine incredible we'll coup for all that to happen but part of me is like will be destroyed each separately view traded diangelo on blazing blazing trails the asset another place of may along with draymond offer salary at that point the only thing because again the warriors they are trying to get back to it too they're trying to to get to the only only player i could see them like moving dream on is like if they get the word honest is coming which i could see two without question but that's where it's like because otherwise like if there can if now anthony edwards is that good we're just gonna next year's rehab year for everyone and then the year after we're ready to go with a year to anthony edwards out that's the worst idea eight but i but that's after like i don't even think they're gonna have a rehab year i think he's going to miss it all next year you'll pull yourself up into shape we hit the ground running but if it's like this stephan klay are two we take the anglo we sent him here for this player who's not future BCC fits with our to better and he's our third guy we we take draymond in that pick and now we've really got towns asked nicely to leave something along those lines that he'd wanna play dangelo so that that's exactly yeah if he wants to play with the angelo and you're just like we're going to have daniel we didn't even get to see the angelo stephan klay we've seen jan slow all year we like what he's got we think it'll fit where take dream on a first overall pick we're gonna ship to minnesota we're gonna get towns back i'll they minnesota does it not the new GM breath but if you ask nicely i don't know that's again the new GM mainly we'll see if he's got it but again a lot like people are like draft which i get but it's also like of the you get top four pick does not only four good players that's right right if you do your scouting like this year's draft too early to say like last year non top borgos trae young wonder carter sexton exile here white dante herder kogi robin williams anthony assignments robert williams landry shamet metro robinson mitchell robinson jalen brunson so it's like any of these guys but you could yeah you're gonna find contributions anywhere in the if you're doing your job right the year before the guys after four fox is mark eh you could drop a guy like isaac onto it was like we've gotten costs controlled and he's nineteen like this is exactly what we need that's why if i'm philly i'm now you have to nil it of course but it's like boy if you just head markkanen that collins donovan mitchell went thirteen in bam i am with fourteen like that's the kind of value you can find every booker devon book yeah so i'm trying to see for this it just feels too through young too way too early a guys s year kobe white sets a moment has been fine camera just had a good night tonight PJ's been good theros been good 'em radish also got shit punch out and so that happens every night brand cards good right now matiz grant williams are having good good morning there's there's so much to did you hit on that guy i think at that point if you're philly you have everybody costs controlled and a young young pick that's where it's like we might could make one more smaller move with the money were saving because anthony edwards is is dirt cheap relatively and i think with what you said the warriors the only thing i just if you trade those separately i don't think you're getting which you get in the value of simmons and that's the point in like that's the rarity of them and that's why we do the trae yeah i think at the end of the day if that they were on the table golden say it would be foolhardy to to not take that like the fastest i've ever accepted deal oh yeah that was get us look i think it was forty six percent that was majority philly no golden state irritate oh yeah both say yes to fifteen percent say no nineteen percent golden state says yes philly no forty-six golden state no philly yes twenty percent which i get the best asset is ben simmons so the team trading him says no i i get it boy oh boy spacing around around embiid in horford by the kind of a pass he could make with embiid low and spacing around him hat man it wouldn't matter matisse can shoot it wouldn't matter alive i don't even i'm starting to wonder if there's ever a lot he just turned into jericho ver- or his brother yeah that's where he just rehabbing now at a wayland baptist over smith the this three days ago ziya smith suffered a deep laceration in his lower right leg that needed four sutures to repair as currently constructed two of your closing time pieces are simmons and embiid right you know right now you have spacing issues automatically that's just what we've proven to see because bead is not a great show can hit not a great shooter sounds reluctant at best so UCF josh richardson thirty eight percent five attempts to bias at thirty two percent afford tips horford thirty seven percent so if you drop again take out one guy who can't shoot it has to be there and the other one won't won't shoot has to be there so take one of those guys i put it with not only a guy who will shoot a guy who loves to shoot like i is gonna be so many times they were just so used to going under screened against philli deangelis like seriously it just shoots like wide open twenty six hundred all with the angelo's doing we still having seen him like i i think we should get this could be cooking right now that warriors team was fully healthy so he's like he's an asset and its own right i get being low on the pig but affleck flake daniels done enough to present ben simmons disagree with my man there but he's getting this NBA season mountain dew is all about the threes unlike the seventy sixers the shot that's changing the game same as the beverage that challenges people to pursue their passions mountain dew is aligning itself with the most bad ass shot the game which i would argue it's when mascots like dunk through that ring of fire suns mascot like the gorilla for prisons i still don't understand pushing boundaries talk taking hoops culture to the limit mountain dew without being bad ass and getting out there and doing there are those who watch and let life happen and those that do and make life happen for those assets to pursue their passions madden do is the charge to do brought to you by mountain dew the official beverage of the NBA do the do i would anyway to on the celtics i've been trying to figure it out for some time now somebody hit me yesterday is like it would never happen eh boy oh boy draymond on the nets and a man i retire are you kidding me you mentioned him in covent like and i've heard her kevin o'connor mention of like basically to say that he's not available but what if he was which i don't i just don't see why minnesota with trade him that's what i don't get yeah now don't make any sense basically saying like because nobody's available you you probably get more for covington than he's worth which kind of it but also the the point is to try to find a guy like robert covington he's on a good deal you don't have to worry area baton looks like he's healthy now they've got him for this year and two more for eleven twelve and twelve and i know like an minnesota's slap on the slide now issue but there's still in the mix like if they win a game right now you stop the slide your back in the mix i you'd accepted knocked my socks off a robert covington trick because i feel like we're starting to see like kevin love say prefers prefers portland starting to sadie does yet tames a- giving up more or less ah again how convenient all this stuff comes out the week of the trade deadline cleveland apparently hates a beeline the it's like this every new cleveland coach i it can't be the players getting it might be like these buyers work around that's a red wine like somebody saying tristan thompson love came out against it i heard something else that was like who else would say you think like darius garland collins sexton like the locker room stakes this place has no structure texture i'm nineteen years old i this word so it's like it's probably those guys say like they wanna get out which i get it but it sure time away they were frisky they were site manno mantras and thompson hitting threes and run a pick and roll now they're lose fifty points everybody everybody hates be lying i don't think there is good i i just don't i don't see the profile of someone who's going to get enough minutes to develop what he needs to getting twenty eight minutes now a smooth thirty seven and a half from the field thirty six from three about about half of his shots from three so that's not terrible now but again that was kind of his thing so you know this guy's got the NBA range appears to be house us and all you gotta needed more than thirty six percent is day quad cook i'm saying eh he's really bad at the rim which i think is is he weighs one hundred fourteen pounds direct so i wanted to give him that benefit of the doubt out but he's not much of a passer he's like he's not doing much of anything else anybody they get in the draft like i would be planning around areas garland and that's not to say give up on them but i just don't know i don't know again we see the draft somebody's hit later so these guys go high and are not good it'd be very funny if they just outright gave up on 'em december eleventh billips win been fifty games yeah they're just like you just vote which again i i don't know what be lined up did this year to get the respect of guys who had been in the finals annouce stink and two point guards were basically the same person what they expected there but i do i think they have pieces that people could use the yeah no that'd be able to get all sorts of picks in house this deadline attack that's what i don't like i keep hearing then also keep hearing like well we're gonna have great trade market integrate by marcus i a it's a great one of those and i think it's going to be trade great buyout markets like greg monroe's available you have a great bat market it feels like it means the trademark stunk so i don't think we're going to get a great both guys right but kevin love thompson could help somebody i don't i think they would but larry nassar's help somebody i mean why not i mean it's all depending on what you do you like their another team that's i think over the luxury tax apparently just fine with it so they got a lot of young players but nobody i would feel like this is this is our again this is what i'm watching for this season to see this guy who they'd put next door kevin porter for me sure what's his numbers on the delight is evidence clothes seven good twenty minutes a game seven shots six and a half shooting a crisp forty one twenty six seventy three but watching them he's the aww seems to care like yeah i could see a future with him but i'm just looking now like i just did simulation for the draft they get number four so number four you're looking at like the RJ hampton co anthony range are you going to add that to garland and sexton yeah probably would you would advocate who who's going to and this the says the spurs getting anthony edward his piss me smooth the hell azer that now my gut that's how they read it omelettes tenure extension wiseman going to golden state via philly and three washington getting lamelo so that's interesting yes and this has cleveland getting RJ hampton for knicks getting coal anthony fire telecomms getting a visa vija at a guy mcabe till so at that point i okay now we've stunk three years for hurt garland sexton ajay hampton go anthony yeah i guess that's okay can we get are they going to get good enough assets to words like we don't even care if you if you nail one of these traits or both of the thompson listen trade and say okay we just got the i don't even know we've got that the grizzlies pick from the celtics to look forward to even like we don't care like we can't think onto these guys we carry interesting taps a win that's a home run take incredible draft undiscerning if you all right adduce if you had a take one young court build with do you take the knicks of the cavs okay great i would say the knicks because i think they i think mitchell rob is probably the best piece of all of them right now i think they have more pieces that have higher potential so i would say nix but i wouldn't life life outside next i know right now like if i if i had to go like that's the starting point the second i signed i do what i could trade barrett for the most out of any of these players it will either that or again if you're on the side that really likes them robinson and baird is better than anything cleveland yeah and conversely whatever they could flip if you the sad to move one is better than like the thing for like if they do decide garland by okay we see it long term you have to move off sex even though he's fine i just don't know what you're getting for his type of player he hit shots not much of a defendant not much of a passer in the three's not fallen like it was last year like will but he's not taking them even at enough volume where it's like like he'll kill you from three garlands i you know i'm i'm that too much worse they saw that i i wore knicks portland's what like it's golden state and then there's a full step portland's with the back court and then at ted layers shit then the cavs goods i'm they just like the cavs asset wise they might be the most hopeless really i'm trying to look at things because charlotte at least guessing yon frisky players detroit at the very least they went absolute blow it up they've got blake andro like they're still the further they slant i hope the drumming trae comes any day because i think they could really recoup something there but i think i think they're gonna try to make the playoffs and keep having deer grows when games with him if he wins it off of him he's gonna gonna hit a game winning every night i went on the air look like chicago's got better young pieces oh definitely washington and like as better young pieces anna coacher atlanta's better young pieces gold status better old pieces new orleans is the best piece of a mall aw well dal's playoffs oh i'm not fat gambling lottery team memphis memphis got it really good core spurs it shit i need to get seventh picking the dryer i just more wash it they've got like murray and white lot walker maybe it walk them like mur- kilns can be filed as murray still can't shoot now is your cat but again there another words like this ideal team put rosen aldridge play just not gonna have optimal spacing so maybe maybe it matters a lot less when dijon murray's on a team with regular spacing lonzo wonder if marijuana team that like had had any sort of care or emphasis on three point shot wooded shopping this bat probably not but it is so we're gedo you'll man they won't find them but no they show they got but they got top one pertile on this thing mandatory and kawhi leonard getting yaacob that year that's what you get to show utah at this guy might be the first to win three finals MVP's on three different teams you got jakko puerto aw rosena show i can't believe i was told the celtics have to take earl have to now no not they lied to your face you know exactly who said that shame on you for believing i did i did cut there were many words exchanged over that man man that is terrible there take that jaylen brown if you want i will thank you with pleasure does at pride this cancale man i wish we hadn't swung in this on brank did you see what is it unrelated camello said to chris paul now want to see how it came i'm sure it was through chris paul or his people people i don't know if they did like a feature or if they just asked mela yeah after he when when he left rockets he told chris be careful because he was like the way it went down apparently he went to chris paul's did you have anything to do with this i i do remember that yeah cresswell's like no 'cause like yeah like those guys like friends friends bet did not basketball so he's like no he was like okay just be careful and after hearing that after hearing what joe told us about the way he left houston i just feel it's like westbrook just next is going to be the oh definitely like it's like it's the tillman at the top hardens to maurice three but more he knows hardens number two so he knows he has to do whatever he he's like oh it was the old we'll get those guys out here get melanoma mellow he's analytically now he's not the problem he thinks he's outta here chris paul he's outta here chris paul said droopy told talked to a couple of days before the trade he said he wasn't going to treatment oklahoma city that's funny because it's going to be dealt with the ops on everybody's phone because nobody he knows that what the hell i just said so i don't think the good very smart number wise but again they was under a handyman i do is still the way you treat human being that's going to be the different a to their culture at the top just stinks yeah it's like a shut up and listen to me owner more he wants democracy who would list do they care but then it also just seems like what it doesn't go wrong they james harden's a captain which is fine but it's it's like it's going to be russia's fault he'll be traded for some worse deal than they did now to get get out kris bah but they're gonna keep pointing the finger it didn't surprise with melo said especially to josefa and now it makes me wonder because there's only like westbrook and hardened being framed that they can only get you so much yeah it'll mean westbrook and more friends of you still treat me like she if they i'm trying to figure out where russell even go for what money but you're saying happened the off-season let's yeah they're they're not doing anything they need to play klay out flaming i to blame us that's but drought as a free agent the hall he's gonna dallas that they've got some james johnson that's who they they've got i think they've got a couple of guys with two years left so they've got some money money on it i think it would be like it would be justice could be the wrong choice terrel choice and i love rawson so he's got a lot i just feel like their parents like i'm chasing stars bam is untouchable outhouse of it yeah but i feel like butler russ's montagna guy wants those adult but he dog dog compete right he's like exactly bam's right at all five positions on the court be defending them too it's true what a play again went thirteen you know it did queers at two that seventeen zero three found what was so that was tatum another thanks to say as i look right now charlotte would take cleveland might they would in chicago minnesota a new york of course actually very funny if they took him for that rust the rosen german big three next year all right so we got shimmy i thought we have another pick like the twenties or something we did not washington yeah that that's what it is a trade walford ross straight traitor i just moved oklahoma city but i if i had to pick one think it's miami they just seem like the team that can and would and the rockets again they definitely wouldn't be any of that you're a franchise i would you like to go they would train you to orlando for a second around the sick bax by oh okay gonna gonna keep doing this go hard into list nobody live what would it take to get out of there nothing are they more go down with this ship like there was a he's like he stole him from oklahoma city he's like that too my if i have to go there with that ship i think he goes down with so i don't i don't ship great ship nail their trade like he did again i'd ride down to the bottom of the ocean i will say it would take hard and wanting to be out and i don't think you would change the things around him he wouldn't want i don't think now i think he likes it there so he's like yeah no change everybody else this summer it won't be russ because russ has got three years left december tony next summer after they flame out it'll be arrests nick summer jam in milan a land that contract again yeah he's still making fifteen somewhere probably abby again you do this you do all this star jason and which one of these traits has made them better because pat beven herald made them worst chris paul day they reached their furthest for sure and we're injury away next year second round out and then you blow it up you have to trade with three first round pigs with paul out to get him out of there and again the team keeps playing like the same way like they're not changing the way they play i think the way they play is what are they lose not by gets it's about dantonio phoenix into his like he's he's a great innovation like he innovated to this point i've got forty game going to let them do pretty good but yeah in the playoffs they're gonna shut this off off double heart now because they don't respect shooting that's going to get worse than the playoffs i think the woman who they might wanna have like a first round matched up but the west like right now they're four or five uh-huh rockets nuggets and i i don't know 'cause the nuggets differences been really good at their defense is really good against like basketball teams that's how accusations bring to the table here spreadsheet it's off had and still going to get fifty so what's new gas yet again i think like in the playoffs i think they're more more than finally like they're one of the teams i think they started one the first ones to start dublin him he scored twenty seven against him in the nugget to one in twenty seven hundred is stick whatever it ain't show so they're willing to just like the way they defend him if that's the first round match up i think he's in trouble trouble so that that's when tony goes but right now the sixth seed also jazz the jazz slip up to the five rock to make light work with him again but without question it's also like houston's a game behind dallas for three at oklahoma today's game and a half by utah for six so houston okay see first round would be hysterical would be good i'll be man oh man houston don't want their series i think they can win it they could win it but that's not like this our first round man eh i also the city of oklahoma city deserves that go i and then rosters running amok all the court this is this was us ally has a night off randstad the playoffs just shows a a court eric mainers they have thrown up i was in the neighborhood you never left the neighbor you don't have to lie up i was able to this the truth here let me finish again it's against vir we're twenty five dollars in the way these savings they're probably going to be similar teams that's why i think you can't put a little bit of starting to in this similar order like we know the lakers and clippers are going to be toured the sa- and probably the mavericks now those might just be the top three we kind of know who's seven ten to like that four or five or six different was like rackets nuggets if the jazz one wake up if the thunder wanna go the other way like wanted to add something i can see the sons being buyers we wanna get into put with disclose we have to get into player yeah imagining abouts while left most use of it was seventy four percent a good bit left south to play the seventy sixers just three more times quoting one which by the time people have heard this last night and day out from when we're recording this as the celtics fans whiskers asian with keeping simmons secretary i think them keeping simmons horford in bead finding like a one for one with tobias that's that makes them more like if they could find a scoring point guard so that they could de ngelo russell type yeah that's what i mean yeah i if they could be a bad but for tobias harris but that's what's keeping remnants that's not swabbing sevens out right now i get it but again that's the issues that available they would just let mark mark false site but not like who the only thing is like they would have to be like a two way player like philly values that they're going to have to be able to shoot and defend point guards and it's like how how many of those guys are like this exist nonetheless available for everybody wants those gas but that's where like like if they did to bias and sent him to cleveland for sex sex in like tristan thompson i'd be like we'll fuck only thing like again like sexton to willie wouldn't scare outside assault yesterday i think we mix tapes some sort of some variation to buy for chris paul helps a lot of people okay i don't know what that might just be i mean chris paul's not the sexy pick a religious debate yeah i think he's he's just in that i think kyle lowry stage page he's your second best player you're not making any noise when he slashed like your fourth or fifth bless player he has to maybe when you a series within this play he can do ah way of four series when one right i just can't you just can't be good pippen for four straight so somehow it's just a harris for paul would need i need something like all pick in a young body for harris a wonder let's let's head to the tree because again defensively like chris paul one can shoot to defend you don't need a scoring every single night it's like boy this is i can score eleven points at tonight take charges in snitch is perfect up to like give me something that makes me actually hate philly i've never throttle this ivan hated philly so i i enjoy like they haven't gotten an hour we've got an our own way more than they've gotten in our way at most of the guys just young homegrown like enjoyable to watch grow so it's been nothing hateful about them fucking al horford left here went there and no one in boston it's like i don't i still don't understand that but chris paul would make them instantly variable it might work straight up because devise makes their young chris paul makes thirty eight so i would say me i'm looking on the six erskine thunder bench hammy that's i'm look like a hammy ferguson bergersen at badly app dominator the admin blacks come back to wreck the same apartment but yet like i think it's if you'd like chris paul hammy sure and first round pick for one of those chris paul for tobias i think because oklahoma has enough picks so they can spare pick if they just get like okay we had to buy his hairs touche a shea wait for some of these contracts now i think the move i don't think were if they could get gallinari too i think that's the move it feels like too much money i think that's the gallon gal nine twenty AM as much money they've got to be like josh richardson to yeah that's their another they don't have any of those mid mid tears let's see now i need to cut fifty one million off the deal do not hear that website in those TV get your yet tobias plus reysen gives them like forty two but chris paul plus galadari brings out to fifty eight trying to have to ask something because higher is not available budi okay i think actually that might work work moneywise horford to four million less than harris because hairs trait of another like four days but put horford retired ston mike scott zaire smith for chris paul gallen words horford to or bias yet just moneywise beheads OB tobias richardson scott smith for chris bond galvani see about oklahoma city that's where i'm like i'd rather just trade you chris paul and try and get another package from someone else for gallinari separate yeah i don't yeah unless i love to buy his hair because he would needed the thing i could see it's like their employees off contingent with no reason to think that they add to buy and jazz gas-rich and i've heard that they're just like we're just gonna make the seven seed compete give the fans a little something with all these future picks and like the thing is i think with gallon not you you'd want to have some kind of agreement to resign them if i'm giving richardson to do because he's rich and sanford three years expiring so i'd wanna little a need some type of guarantee or something else would i'd walk back out to you and i'd walk chris paul opt out also guaranteed like bolos screen on i'll tell you when you're not going to be yeah i think getting khris bolers feasible and i could see oklahoma city wanting to bias aris for lotteries as like listen you can't go fucking anywhere pal you're stuck here we got you for four and a quarter oh man i think he's he was like he wanted to he's like listen they was going to do that regardless paid now so right i betrayed i got better everywhere win still got traded so just give them money everywhere i want yeah it's for tobias he gets to play with sherry yeah no i don't think it's the worst thing that happened to him and it's just like you're outta sight outta mind you can be putting up it was like when he first got to the clippers on doing numbers everyone's like oh tobias harris now he's in the limelight narrowed fucking got so sh- again that's when you take the max they put five one eighty on the table you yourself mr brian fischer everywhere in the world would bumi hours yeah that like again that's the thing i think like their ideal team to win right now which with they're trying to do yet probably lobbied doesn't bob that tobias harris money elsewhere but like i don't know what you do chris paul that's right now right now and i don't think that's can you pass the bucks either going on his interesting though i'd say it it makes them i would i i'd be more comfortable column the second best team in the east if they did that i'm trying to find him so it'd be crystal simmons galvani life embiid horford that's your final four adjust pretty good i got us i don't know feels like there's kind of like a like inbetween wing guy like inbetween simmons paul they don't have the like the judge richardson gotta guard now and it's not sorry but i guess you hope horford in the playoffs could cut off half of the court so well that's where copper portion that's built even more to for milwaukee milwaukee alot yeah like honestly it would never happen but philly needs like eric let's yeah let's see what can we do you for philly tobias harris though i know aw for which the milwaukee honest like i just can't imagine any deal they could be like seven for glad sell something amiss here i'm just going to say now perhaps it is third party to buy for bledsoe so it makes 'cause i like tobias middleton beck to buy as might be like your third scorns feels like his ideal what does he third score right now is he four he's gotta be third sure hope he started as i say i know horford shooting more threes i don't know having like simmons scoring too much true yet to buy the the second josh richardson stirred simmons for so again at second they don't feel that scary but i know middleton just my second guy to buy my third every night and affiliate i know i gotta gottingen defend but whatever type of point guard and can hit enough threes that's why i don't know why milwaukee because right now we are worried about getting by philly really or the relevant yeah yeah they're worried by but the thing i just think they're going to because milton our second score right now and i think we saw ledge i don't know OPEC that's his role either for sure but we i also feel like it's also not to buy harrises will but that's the thing i think one of if tobias hairs is your third if you get two of those guys because right now milwaukee's problems like milton might not be the second guy with the third guys even more are inconsistent in that scorn the guys this though and that's what i was looking at his numbers right now exact yet so if you tell me right in the swap out blitz for two guys that can pretty consistently score eighteen off of janas thirty one after listen just because like they stood out jewish loaded you know it'd be good milwaukee in going to believe this malcolm brogden not never work in philly to stay dirk nowitzki eighty see i think there's it doesn't because again when they wall off jaanus say okay middleton we needed to do your thing every time because they're going to wall off jaanus every time time sometimes you can't sometimes you can't middleton and tobias one one of those guys get their third best defender under that's overmatched swap out blitzer defense with georgio dante colloton coniston they they cobbled together he's not not all defense like blood so but i mean to bias is also a better score intruder the bliss oh for sure so i tell you what if the celtics for some reason just lend out the garden for when milwaukee blaze middleton can certainly shoulder that led back missing boston de so just refuse to be friendly ham yeah he didn't care for cadre of one bit today was like what said so he was from keep me far away from that town blue that's fine we're getting we're getting in jail one-seat that's all we need the i have joe money does somebody need to opt out according gordon you the hayward is opting out we'll see the injury said pause on the andrew will see nephew just does what he did before a probably a good first game back obviously joseph first game back but there was no hesitation when he played i am i'm here let me get my legs back so i think if it was his shooting and big pause you still wouldn't be back i don't think the fact akkad was shooting and you talk about the perfect injury for for a guy who had never been injured before listen pajau i thank steph curry does he hurt his shooting hand and steph curry's after lee don't i think people don't like steph curry that's that's the way like before the laugh at his base in amid all this because i would love to be a man even with simmons injury i don't know who's gonna fan elite any dislikes today it's just fun to laugh at him so we're gonna do that regardless another they're taking full advantage of it right now that's allows traffic hayward's hayward's ben too good this year to wear even where his money and the fact that he only has has one to two years left on this deal and it's really like a half to one year left on this deal makes him really are only trade jim but it's like i believe him in that final five with like kemba marcus i think just going super small with kemba marcus tatum and juice on the court is i best five late fourth quarter so it's almost like this will like as much as phillies stuck with what they got those what we're stuck with and i don't think it's for both sides i don't think it's necessarily a bad thing this best five it probably should be on the court i i just do think in some like match with real size the each a yeah and that's part of it but like this push ahead with the the relatives like which ability versatility on the other switch ability and just the the fact that now we have five people who are all on the same page with like we we're not worried about who shoots right now boy that was everyone's fall i listened jalen data jalen was on close personal friend slash rivals all the smoke was talking to matt barnes and and stack about last year and he was just like me and terry couldn't understand at fucking all why we were the ones who can take a backseat those breaks yeah and it was great it was a very funny it's funny to see players and i love those do but it's funny to see players who complained about the media being like talk about this and then they get a podcast that's how they end every like just ask the question matt i know you're listening here just ask the question not doing your job for you i gotta say which i could see joe what's the contract with would you would you want to pay him assume hayward upset 'cause i think it's only way you'd be able to afford but some questioning we have money any outside right now is making seven six so that's got to at least i'm saying and he went forty five percent from three he's fillet jillions looking for looking for a nice bay yeah no you gotta assume double i'm like avert get three for fifty one would you do that i don't think i'd hate for sixty i would ask but i know i know it wasn't that's why would you do three hundred fifty one at that point i might i'm wondering appea- might just try it and copy the JJ radic school of just taking like just ate out the rest of one teams salary cap with one year deals forever her listen i'm not asking him i'm asking you which drew two three for fifty one seventeen yes for for let you do fifteen for four hundred seventeen for three story year feels better to me like three fifty one feels almost perfect but it's gonna take substantial bag to get him so no definitely i i do three hundred fifty one in a heartbeat dislike him and he just his shooting percentage doesn't and so if i'm like okay what if we bump them from sixty nine threes to santa going to get this summer i think he's bit seven horrifying amount three fifty one zero feels like a steal i don't disagree so would you do get him on a hometown discount so i'm not too worried about it but yeah the the boston washington opted out though he might not uh as betrayed isolate india also on the table but part of it's like it's like i'm just locked in thirty four whatever the fuck it is next year and then the other part of it's like absolutely no one's free agent this year yeah that's so so again he's really gonna have it's going to be him waiting to see what dhamar derosier agent those his twenty nine he'll thirty for that if he comes back and finished with a nice i don't know if the games played as a good playoff showing potential all stars i think he saw up it's just one of those wooded horford would would it boston divorcement three hundred now now we gave him in four three plus one and it was for twenty thirty per pretty sure yeah yeah the three plus one dirty agassi over a for that some similar it probably look would you want to keep both jew and ed hey we're really white up team because you get rid of like where cantor's like five thais does like five it hayward's like opt out i don't need thirty four i would like to stay out give me three sixty in shows like give me three fifty one that's basic big you know that's basically what he was making last year this is your core would you do that if i get the two of of them for the price of one hayward yes i would do that at the question you just asked i mean it's also that for like three or four like that that's yeah more or less your core your so so you'd like an intuit that's yet you can do it of course but because browns are paid tatum's about tatum's necks and appointed it'd be time to pay smart again yeah it's all guys like wiccan them publicly have said like as long as it's for contender they have no problem with the luxury tax of course a lot easier to say then carry out but i have the houston been land like this great lying awesome i have no reason to not believe what is said we're paying eight bought a team that was stuck in in cat'll actual capital dili whenever we fuck inside hayward that was i don't think that teams camp hill but like if you added like i think that team right if you get hayward joe and still add that big i think that's a contender so i think like if you add the big that'd probably puts you luxury tax but i think it's a team where it's like okay here we can be a one or two seed the conference will yeah and i'm still not out on thanking robert williams going to develop up into that guy he keeps taking step so i don't know what he's going to look like next year obviously there are more proven guys that who would accelerate that there's no question death i'm saying like it can be like i like the trajectory on at the on that regardless you just turning those pori thais kanter minutes into new tyson's goodman is andre drummond grew no he's not but he's as a defender and i know we've talked about andre germans potential attention defense and what he's already done but as a defender tight mahdi absolute money and of course they're gonna be approved very drama rebounding defended andre dermot while i was gonna say rebounding such a big part of defense that it is yeah no for sure but i think he's a better rimmed of a rim defender i don't know let's see that iran protector i that's what i typed wrong but it gave me like car rim-protector and i was like i get that point stats santa lyrics to within six feet people shooting twelve percent worse than they normally would against andre drummond okay for thais that is at ten percent so he's not a better actor have you seen kanter's because i saw those earlier today and boy oh boy it's got up the tweet gets it is tough seems the most you'll maybe go oh wow still kanter sure it's not a good he's on the zero th percentile ital- multi who's getting the most attempts ah game and two miles turner so people shooting in percent worse with him at the round the normal capellas five percent go a bears is ten percent germans at twelve brook lopez's sixteen karl anthony towns fourteen joel NBC does it for nurlan that eleven of course it guess what yoga no opponent shoots six percent better with yoga ghana it's interesting opponents shoot twelve point nine percent better at the rim with inas kanter on the court court verse off that differentials in the zero with percentile the worst of any player in the NBA does v. max komo a colin boy a opponent shoot twelve point three percent more often at the rim when canada's ariza's on the court this is not for on the court but yes opponents shooting six percent better than they normally would against cantor famous yoga quite basically the same guy it's what i've been trying to tell people i'm surprised that embiid is four you're am surprised towns it fourteen towns that's the best of the numbers exact count is but he's not he hasn't qualified employees enough members of the fourteen percent they that's the biggest leap the one guy i would love to add this year that we just can't because as the his salary falls into such a weird place based on the no i know the daily sign this offseason house isn't it favors pelicans already talking about moving him but he's at seventeen and it's just like would he signed i thought he's not a one plus one it doesn't mean though he's at seventeen this year though soda even asked that i got you so yeah it'd be great for the one plus one so that's not there but y- yeah just getting that alone like he'd have to be a buyout guy i don't even know if that's a by outnumber him you're now i'm looking at different protection protection numbers my stock towns for some out second team all defense is better than i i even thought it is good despite like just feel go percentage allowed at the rim go bears at fifty fifty three percent for reference two-time defensive player year mouth turner also fifty three drummond fifty carney towns that forty nine brooke lopez's forty-seven which he legit might be first team on defense this year embiid is a fifty nine to indeed defensively just not having the kind of year he's normally shown porzingas a fifty percent he's protecting it an elite amount bagley at sixty seven not not good so bonus fifty four percent really good which is what i still still think they can with those guys up yoke good god seventy two percent i hate them does that well on fastbreak dunks dragonflies thought i would entertain yoga getting better than a bead per last night in nope and i feel like both these guys that's like what these were i to all NBA sitters last year they sure where it is got like the eighty came back you can't control that like talent went to a new level brook lopez plan amazing defense porzingas is contributing they're nowhere like huts on whiteside keeps getting a terrible wrap his defense numbers aren't great he's like fifteen and thirteen at night it's like listen they just need warm bodies i feel like he's not the problem now now just as you're not the solution doesn't mean you're also the problem yeah like drumming has the fourth most tram the fourth most times in the league he's allowed fifty percent which is lower than go bear you're so he is see thais is it unless it's also fifty percent okay so get both good it yeah i'm just a large human by that's saying that's where it's like you you can't scheme that you can't gave a practice or scout against it because he's yeah two eighty to eighty fuzzy it seems like the kind of guy who's like sweat and come up coming off the bus to like e y'all hey y'all got the windows down dri is detroit in december it was last eight you think he left the house without like towel on his back pocket nine it nine when he was five ten to and everything getting fourteen rebounds a game they have oh baby we got some real plus minus deaths they weren't out for wow 'cause they take they take to calculate well you know it doesn't take a while tyler a this limited time offer from omaha steaks that's right to memorial there is still time to place your order for the holidays go to omaha steaks dot com enter the code mix tape in the search bar or the favorite gift package the gift everyone will love for only sixty nine ninety ninety nine order now and you'll get four six outs bacon wrapped filet mignons for savary praemium pork chops four omaha steaks burgers for perfectly brown and i'd like to stress that perfectly brown potatoes keratin for the freezer i'm really glad you read to say bego for me to otherwise we'd be fired made from scratch 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go to omaha steaks dot com type a mix tape into the search bar an order get era love or to be favourite gift package two-day will go take the one already have the freezer is numbers are concerning are now you guess who's leading centers in defensive rpm only centers only senators and only only defensive rpm go bare now he is number seven though now capella is fourteen not even do thirty third it's gonna be driven disagree fucking drummond no thirteen number one embodied so take from and yoke okay eight so take from this listen and the rim protection numbers i'll say this i have no idea what defensive rpm measures whereas ties is still scrolling exactly the outback is he a powerful technically because he might be or is he listed like at center i don't know he might but yeah i don't see him as he might that bad also i also don't like where his minutes fluctuate into this yes that's because he's batting consistently sicelo starting for a little bit now but he didn't start the year that way yeah meyer razu sure he really exists point guard yeah as i say is really know who we go he has he has power for he's number three all right mason plumlee is number seven so that's no three janas tim so very honest straight up who says no they're high tyson stevens eh so again i have no it because at fifty three senators you wanna guess we're towns is defensive rpm after leading the defense at the rim protection numbers he's gotta be twenty one fifty i so i like whichever one of these guys have been like an all time at least i this is me and my bit sablan looking town he's cleaning up now i actually by the name the by the numbers we like this year the worst and like he's getting all these blocks getting blown by the parameter let's see defensive wind shares that negative you want to get to the center with the most defensive winter embiid drummond mm-hmm stats are dumb dumb out on out on stats envied is nine forty six yeah yeah no that's towns he's sixty so defensive box plus mylan netherlands island's number one so i think we know we can take this to the bank finally a stat that matters not here's one we can legit one early to jonathan isaac three jaanus four thais kayce five drumming six bam i've got no argument listen i think we can all leave this happy i had a german bam in the mix ex- we're all good number ten yoke so there's yoga either is like the best defender and like the eye test is just as fat it couldn't possibly be and beat his twenty eight defense of bike plus minus so i'll say this the artist tells me towns improved not that much data told me i didn't think in bead or yoga was playing their typical but i do think defensive rebound and i think they're both if i'm not mistaken a percentage yeah but one but like either way those guys del rio which again in is part of it but i don't like the would have to be one there was no dramas like let it like the league like four because of the ties with a smooth a six point four game points minutes ago seven points pal he's getting block and a half drums lead different winchester's twice in defense of bucks plus minus once so debts like that tells you again he is a fine defender but i do a lot of those rebounding drums good i agree when hemming lillard get traded to that same team you're gonna that's gonna be the day you start to the hammer and bats left and right that's i can't miss i cannot miss yes i would do the celtics needed could we use another center absolutely absolutely if we just stop playing cantor that might be as good is getting another person but again you just want that that that depth depth definitely but subtracts about subtraction it is there have been maybe two games or it's like canas come on positive things have happened wrestler time pay you yeah that's the cantor experience again just remember this got started the center for a team that made the conference finals in the west so for any but like no wonders none of that even just just in general can somebody be the fifth piece defensively i'm worried about trae i get it in his canter started for a conference finalists at center yeah he sure did so anything is possible i might just won't give tatum steroids and just euro see our center do i have no idea how offense is real plus minus words oh oh any of these particularly care for any of it have just looking at the offensive leaders you wanna get the top three just offenses all positions at wanna say tatum's up there because i know he's i'm he's now is killing it in plus minus so i don't know about this he he he was really well defense like his total is pretty there right yeah yeah but only offenses i'm looking at only offensive luca a seven most efficiencies of all time number seven yeah so yeah haydn's probably what like twelve hardness three okay hardens and in their abroad lebron number one by staggering margin the gabardine one lebaron at lebron one and number two is similar to the gap between to in like fifteen at out that's much further is too who paul george now so loud now we've talked about him on this episode that narrows meal ninety five say bench cole when you got number two davis yeah that makes sense how i am XM steph curry is number ten even with four games played been macklemore is number twelve so i don't know what this was damalf moore's been playing well twelve best in the league eight listen he's he's he's about one game away from kobe giving them that challenge that's how he's been playing boy oh boy yeah overall plus minus again lebron has overall lead lead by a gap that's between two and twenty so whatever lebron is doing i'm real plus minus loves ice ties just beat your boy miles turner for for the tip and then jalen dotted i right and your other boys so bonuses tournament your boy bonuses my board if we face from any your boy brought iraq is put on boy go tyson's dominating he's got a rebound he's having a time one of his lane he's setting picks elbow jumper get rid of them tried them send them back to germany we'll barton's number five overall plus minus all right i'm getting back in on this that i just don't know any of this means brogden there three that's what i hate the most of the wrong about the pacers i was i ah called it for the bucks but not for i didn't give it to the pacers that's that was my air so that dumb dumb and now they're going to win fifty two games and tyson's back with an an easy to at the rim pays for forty eight and twenty four this is this is where the pacers i have an advantage when they have to centers out there like we got jalen covering one of turner or given possession i ball brandon rush on the court who is that a good kareem perhaps abdul jabar very the fuck jeremy lamb warrant twenty-six number who are these people at edmund sumner man it's jerry lamb what a terrible number for jeremy lamb i thought he was a person who hasn't played in fifteen years got on the basis it's not make in play now i was right all along you gotta have some faith in yourself this is one of the gambling goes to pick from the high interest muscles so now they didn't at what a what is this pacers team this is my first time watching them from the air we played them already i i don't know what's happening rahm out yeah of course is is nicks doc is that national television next warriors i think it is no no a new orleans milwaukee is delayed late-game without yannis oh yeah so yeah yeah this is this feels like for us playing the pace for the first time they had played a pistons nine times for it's true see as of now you'll be playing the first of two game series you buy two games like okay bye okay tatum had two good games as might be a good matchup smart head to ed games that's something to look out for the next two like you you learn to at a time that one flew game thais knock down a three eighty and and forty four he's like what i'm behind barton in defense of plus minus oh boy one of these games we're gonna start recording at the start of the game and i'm just going to do the whole for for people who don't like tommy heinsohn they're certainly not going to like that oh boy now cut you loose now every time the celtics get that NBA TV national game words they just pop in whatever the home feed is i just get so many how do you deal with this ever all your life a wig so you just answered it i've had it my whole life what do you mean any if it's all you've ever know like once you like league passing you start hearing other people's a glass khudai list to last like the knicks bracket like bring just pro's pro right and with clyde like that's as good of a combo you're gonna get where he was who's who's he with last night he keeps does why reserve bank dude games now because he kept saying wally and i was like an annoying i know wally works john MSG studio show so wouldn't surprise me if they sub demand every once in a while woah yeah color analyst so yeah just i love the clippers here's broadcast the clippers good i'm trying to think i feel like i hate the hawks again that's the one of the most but i think i don't i think they're good i feel like dallas's overall product they give you is good like they just throw you like really interesting like tidbits throughout the game game but try to thank who else sticks i think sacramento does a good job especially given what they've had to work with yes i think is going to be a good announcer richard jefferson richard jefferson i think richard if there's there's going to be good i think he's already there honestly but i think he feels like he's kinda chriswell he keeps talking but he keeps saying interesting things at their he's gonna he's also like he self deprecating but he's also good enough to like when he gets on a player means something like i used to score twenty a game to ring and all that too yeah i mean he he was doing some of that when we talk to them ship not himself and and that would be like a youtube did nothing ever he's good traffic who else i really like because for the most part i have games i watch games on mute and listen to something else so for cleveland i don't like i don't i mean of course the austin called me as well my guy lakers i don't much care for does lakers game i couldn't tell you how it got stu they'll throw mukta like michael thomson studio work i like that yeah clippers have billips mcginty mike mike fratello caught a game really enjoyed him i like mike fratello calling games like old the oldest coach you can get calling ah game lumpia sean elliott i don't like like uh san antonio's no of course not the pelicans used to have like that really at like slow like jazz DJ i can't remember his name i don't even know if he still does it he will pretty stark stark contrast to what i grew up with it yeah i do think before it's all said and done one guy i know you need a play by play guy there to just keep a train on the tracks but i would for nothing more than and tommy heinsohn and clyde frazier to do on together like if gorman and brain wanna be there as well just a ninety eight ninety forty five i've celtics that'd be fine too but i just need them do just saying whatever comes to mind now that's got to win those guys guys hanging it up it's like you get to they get to watch it but NBA dot com if you log and improve your twenty-five you hear uncensored is they're gonna they're gonna be working like the johnny walker is going to be flowing free they're going to be working loose class is going to have his cigars tommy is gonna be telling his stories at tommy hasn't made road trips in years so he's gotta be added up soon which kills me because i looked like i feel like the last thing i would your perfect comments like for a bit as a big NBA game whatever it is finals game seven whatever who do you want on the call like sideline reporter who's who's your team tonight because somebody made me want to like five dollars might bring four dollars one dollar is a dictator i mean it's harlan who goes like crazy on like the who spilled the beer latte that was bucked sixers it talk yeah yeah he spilled the beer it was that's on the field i need highland their carina gonna see this but you'd go for play by play you pick i couldn't hire them okay i don't need it 'cause he he he can also like he could also go off the rails windows play by play guy breen's dealt with fucking van gundy and mark jackson for so long you've seen it out so i'd probably go breen okay who's who's your color give me to color analysts i don't hate i know people don't like them and they're not going to be my pick but i do think mike jackson jeff van gundy gets shit on too much i love i i don't think they were like whenever it first started i couldn't let him anymore now i get it but ah i like oh yeah it's just like i it's it's the same people like the people who hate them and who hate the NBA on TNT as studio show it's a it's a circle that van damme circles all the same people way both those who don't like fought now the only thing which is we need one player just one player has got to be the streak maybe it'll be vince carter i insist that every every players night like like they fail because you just don't like greg he's not a straight guy i think he's by analysts but he's he can't be your number one so you will go you're perfect harlem van gundy jackson that's fine i wouldn't pick them i'd probably pick a product like doris and huby honestly okay who sideline reporter sidelines gotta gotta be cassidy in deported took now sergio dipp obviously eighty grimace ah celtics around the ball triggered him hold the microphone about the we're back year milwaukee we'll say earlier this year when van got an jackson were just like a common themselves over there that was killing me yeah that's what i'm saying like i love you endorsed you don't get that from them you don't get that read the old man horn now that's where it's yeah honestly if if it can be everyone who it just doesn't work nationally it's probably going to be harlan frazier and tommy would be my dream three that would bring me i wouldn't be watching the game i would just be i'd probably like just have the audio on and not even pay attention i'm trying to think i think i can't put him there yet but i really do think richard jefferson it'll be like a great great third guy maybe second guy but like a great guy now i have to go bream he's just like you need he knows when to let the moment breath but he's also unflappable there's nut lake doc james corden james harden just did a backflip on the court step back four or play you'll go to the line after a need breen mccall that's the thing i feel like you can't break-up brain van gundy jackson like those three just work so well together me me just subbing harlan and there would be a huge in salt debris cause brain does such a good job but that's an affiliate he stirs the drink it's like they work because they work but he they wouldn't work without him right yeah you take him out exactly like you if he was just those two if if mark jackson and jeff van gundy mark jackson the play by play guy or van gundy gotta say the way the ref through that ball home cooking cooking mark that's exactly what are the district goes to the basket heart i think doors but i think i won't sideline reporter she's in the mix i would say sideline i feel like in just under utilized and you definitely want her there and around but that's why maybe yeah maybe if she's if it's her harland and i don't even know third would be in this ex yeah if i can't have like the tommy clyde let's go for that i'm just saying if you had one like this is your personal feed for game whatever the biggest game okay so let's say it was the celtics in game seta yeah it it's tommy gorman and the foul get no bill house bill house an inch heavens now j. bug i gotta say they have jumped up there for a jump ball booger mcfarland the listen books definitely my boo and what about it's like a van gundy and booker are you kidding used to be banned got like what cats uh-huh that's exactly and that's just the way it is time to change so as a basketball i'm picturing if you and if you move doris tear both but then you had a bigger mobile for basketball he's is constantly back and forth let's run the pick and roll here yeah yeah the rent eighty times again he's james harden used to be used to be passed the aw unimaginable for man dribble right right right left left right and left again but times change sodas marnie bassett uh-huh i was thinking about it celtics it's definitely gorman orbited and tommy and if i need a third i'm gonna take cedric maxwell maxwell does maximum shang randy do the radio call sean grande is honestly one of the best play by play guy is good is very easy fucking kills it he he'll get a couple of TV spots a year they give tonight often he kills it there too like he translates well gorman's has been doing it since nineteen forty one he's he's just yeah yeah he just does it like that's when people complain about the boss on i'm like i get you here tommy is there's drunken ramblings but gorman's like as assigned maybe homer he's just as good as anyone else job that's i'm looking now orlando used to have really and they they faked like i think we force one of the guys in retirement something happened but like a few years ago david steel jeff david steel jeff varner carter really just very like analytically update but didn't force it on you right weren't very biased for like orlando it's like there's not much to be biased and they were honest about it could make jokes about it they were very good team and i think they one of retired or left i think my ideal i'm mike would need if i got one game game seven i need vince gully for play by play and even for basketball he could do it like he could tell those stories during free throws that he does like pitches i feel like he probably called basketball some all those like yeah that's how i got my start i called is different yeah but still yeah he he he called for the fordham rams fourteen years ago reminds me the time oscar robertson left his basketball shorts in my hotel room take steps to the line i three i'm just like wow vince kelly says now three point lines out there dr deke running to and stopping it for some adverse to for some reason reminds me of the time president kennedy promised we would beyond the moon i'll tell you that after we get back it's forty five forty one clippers forty forty clip is serving the scoreboard operator's making a grave error he's like i i've got twenty six made baskets he's got seventy five points on the board i don't know what's happening with those two that that i'm missing scott traffic like madden would be incredible and be good tom brennan i just love tom burnham his voice from calling allred gained he's always very surpri i love hearing him on football he's a first down by gabe believe it well i don't know about that partner legis can't believe generally can't believe that would be good for precisely one game no more be ryan whitney just hate every second of it you can't believe it why did i sign up to do a series of the game fucking one dude i have to do six more of these what year did they add dennis miller did SNL that feels like our one advocated for two years i think early as monday night football i knew correct let's see that was nine hundred ninety nine or guy was there for two years now wait wait let me say that when they were looking okay he yeah he got hired in two thousand support like who even as they just who would they add right now to the oswal like widespread that's what it is and i like pen pals orbits like why is he killed me to know i i'd love every second of that but jim norton hair is this will not stop working no i think football fans would like jim naarden luxury north way but that was the problem with dennis miller no one liked it except for like my dad he was only yeah it's like he's cutting agency always watched his show on HBO and he likes football so he was like irving imagine like chapelle doing it manually manually like this is great white people in idaho what is live ruined our sport look at my old man and bill maher man loves bill if they put bill maher on the bright cassie blake like discuss guys holding that football right they might have locked put handcuffs on the football and give it twenty five delay commands like cultural commentary relevant i don't even know at one at one point point in time i could have seen like louis c. k. and they were in one point at one point in time this chapelle poets and he died in that terrible masturbation a very he's the right let like dennis was fa- i i didn't know anything about dennis m- like me but i knew who he was so he was that level of famous i'm picturing like louis black sir laming larry david if they got larry david i did you talk about i would pay here late david dave car it'd have to be football or the other thing i need something with some downtime that's why the football but baseball basketball i think it'd be too i don't think he'd focus he'd be to to have a need david and vin scully during baseball yeah just three and a half hours some boy talking symbolic the moon do you ever go to the moon now i can't say i've ever been to the moon lehrer i like to go to the moon go to the motive he could mad kim steps in here and he's one for two on the day i'm just trying to thank of other comedians just specifically for monday night football now yeah that's like it has to be like that of course chapelle but that would never ever i should tell him booker apologists dot cl that's why like trees portrays yacht like buggies like your book what's happening happening you'd think they'd give a fuck about through and that'll be i down codes used to be unimaginable to throw the ball take a picture portrayed starting like this CTE era tony's yellen taken socks like every right he came members middle the name it'll be something it'd be like anthony jesernik that's who they would yeah terrible just terrible amy schumer a joins monday night football jeffrey ross to start roast everyone on the spot i gotta say that'd be funny funny about four times a year couldn't be every game now not every jeff jeff ross's fry people jeff rockets thursday night yeah there we go the jets dolphins what the fuck is that's the genesis halftime show just jevremovic doing a tight fire about the city you guys ever been sheboygan sheboygan era knows something about sheboygan if you you got the the racist puppets dunham in every quarter plus out a new puppet all-america like this is great i'm joined a seinfeld and larry david be it has to be baseball yeah that non native straight man but the straighten out with seinfield could be he good sanford and baseball b that's it might get old if he was willing to commit to it which not wouldn't because he's a billionaire he just get up and leave during the six any but he does love the matt so if you say it and have to be for the home team right because i listen i i like a first baseman pita lonza fee alonzo you think he drinks coffee dooby doo through adb letter you get the arguments out of there is eighty s key terrorist and their newt newt replaces the seventh inning stretch everyone's applauding and crying is the best baseball game i've ever seen at city mass mike comes out and leads the keytar like seekonk go leads the second shift your eyes toward the scoreboard four we've we've got louis thanks to a well do you do you do do would you say welfare would actually crush this because he you talk about someone who only commits he would legit come like all the stats on people whip but that's exactly right you hasn't it a little is last couple of days he'd have the proper it's like the perfect amount of like correct insight and then just like talking about wolves roaming in the outfield last night the it'd be the perfect combo of the they really put dennis miller on the booth kornheiser up there for a while too oh yeah he replaced miller i think he might this article saying john madden replacing which i don't remember at all to save fallow was a year maybe two probably and then corn is it magically guest steve in now a columnist turned and that's how they get back together monday night football boyer skip just play by play niagara molly kierra yeah just does play by play they got article has some of das- dennis miller's moments and they do the setup followed by the actual quip as the monday night football in a while down al gave does melissa investing advice pointing out how low most of the stocks have fallen for dot com companies that bought naming rights for sports stadiums and arenas the clip well i have all my money with my money manager MC hammer and we just bought a moped factor in south yemen so i think i'm coming i aw that was me doing your old man my knee i had no right absolutely but he's a funny name you said jingling keys i'm just picturing like the average football fan just hating eating every second that's what makes it so i didn't understand in but that's why i try to picture things nouns sounds like boy oh boy why are opie and anthony on monday night we'll talk a good yeah howard stern it is the cast of reno nine one one gallon of football like if you look down there i've i've paid the popcorn vendor show is why why not by the way bud ceiling looks like harry potter near eighty third volume of the series harry potter and the magic prostate people relate this so i'd need to listen to this every day the referees wedding that flag like the only lighter at a crack house okay that's funny but i can see somebody might in dallas to sit down to watch the cowboys gave like what the fuck is going i want this man arrested crack at this allies in a crackdown that's good i'm trying to there's there are a lot of terrible options for monday night so that's why gruden really was perfect for it yeah just like had plenty of insight of the actual game but was also just a tremendous jackass just combat beholding a banana funny for some reason i say he talked about load management the NFL is the perfect amount of season because it went from jon gruden to joke to they're going to win the division vision in the wild card now it's like they're joke again we got three games left like it might flip again perfect amenities yes they seem to have figured it out at games and things of that nature i love it i love about a nice eighteen twenty i personally you love missing wide open threes these highlands have grown increasingly restless i see i hear in having one of their twelve wars for nitric i can hear who's winning get the over there the young ones got a lot of fight in him he just doesn't have the science yet once he gets size it's going to be curtains for the big one they get a couple of early wednesday i've got plus two twenty i'll yeah but i don't think the big one understands like these training battlegrounds they're going through it was gonna hurt in the long run you should've been softened him up then take advantage when he was much bigger than that well it's too late now it's way too late he's already three times the size when i first brought him home but they only get bigger you know that's the thing about modern dogs dogs you mean the miniature wolf been modernized and humanize over the nineteen hundreds and thousands in other words of years of genetic modification the very saying used to be was unimaginable to keep it a little wolf in your house but pits change domestication tactics to wolves refers down bears triggers run for seven days levels are at it again i don't know what the problem i i couldn't be anymore burger love them taylor behave wab hell just like where you guys listening last night like a fourth quarter they'll be like no they'll be like is just making shit it's over it will be like won the two quotes per game sends them up a fucking wall and it kills salesman i'll say but to me it's that right lip because it's in the fourth quarter but what has he was empty backfield other day he's really gotta look at for the run pass option senior i'm here i don't like nobody really wants was an shots for a ah nobody wants to i want some booger man i wanted to be like now listen there's nobody background here doesn't mean they won't flea flicker lodgers adjudge used to be young people people just don't like fun is is what i've i've come to learn the fact that like i anyone i talked to in the real world is always like especially older people that are like man how like i don't even like basketball but that's shack charles barkley when they get together it's just television magic people on twitter are like why aren't they talking about box plus minus it's like you talking august right i haven't heard before in minutes people people just stink fun and i'm glad i'm glad that NBA like TNT just keeps winning emmys so they don't even realize is that anyone dislikes them now embarking get canceled twice a year month he cares like twice in the past six weeks of of less than thirty days ago he said he would listen i don't punch in the mouth but you're getting fucking close out i'm a hankering i'm about to make exception one of one so again dads but the i feel like that's not if you're like get them off the air for that okay okay that's fine i don't like he's just talking about jumps at yeah let them go on and or not about the big women have san antonio the second is way bobby feeling bad laughing at that i'll say i think i think trump i've been a lot better with his analysis this year i feel like he's usually like that's the thing when he gives willing to date it yeah well when he actually gives it no no one will give him credit because i've always felt like he's usually pretty good around the tournament 'cause he actually watches college basketball doesn't much care for so it's like around the tournament every year people like oh that was a cell how did he know about that about auburn's watches MBA i think he's just watching it more that's all it it like i don't know i guess for the most part i don't if i can tell that you're watching the game i almost don't really care what you're saying like i agree read that's fine but if you disagree that's fine because we're watching the same game it's fine to see different things to talk about different things but they're not talking about what i wanted to talk about as i i man a cat just ran on the field and burgers giggling like a schoolgirl we had jason witten last year how do people not like we're jason witten imagine jason witten just do the cat ran on the field hasn't jason we're just trying to kill five minutes is just like that's not awesome out there no no no no by the rule of law i think it's four biju grab wrong does i guess for the very same kittens uh-huh cannot be on the field if voters off just like please tag man flees dying he's he's just out on the field trying to catch it just you just also i didn't know he went to rings good for booger when he won one i dare you now let's go of macfarlane okay great name great zion williams and face i think it was ryan clark said as he every analyst we've had is like a quarterback quarterback usually often the player but usually quarterback right boogers at least a defensive tackle rank looks like if i got in there i could say different things just from defensive back and i was like that'd be by ryan clark would kill monday night football if he ever went there up oh yeah MJ dido good job too yeah half obviously not defensive player but it's it's it is usually just like wide receiver quarterback i feel like joe joe thomas would probably be great yeah basically anybody with a pert like andrew whitworth could talk the game anybody trying to along with the person that chris long would be really good richard sherman would be great analysts i'm trying to it now would be analyst matthew stafford it is it's going to be some sp- stay it's gonna be allied with rome ause never like this guy is going to be a great and i'm sure somebody was but i never thought that and he's a great animal is and i saw someone point out he's better at the corona commercials than gruden was two nights upwardly that's the kind of character like monday night football a gruden burger like whitten's just to stale bread i wonder what happened because cutler was supposed to do it before he went to the dolphins and then like he didn't play football i also doesn't do that i wonder what happened with uh that lasts bag was ten million he was like like i just i didn't plan for that at all changes my retirement plan well it also might have bengal romo was too good i can't come and be like if cutler came first and he was pretty good it wouldn't have mattered that roma was also good but he can't just be pretty good never it already loves wrong with the way he might is if he came back this year he's like romo but i'm not with neither that's all you need do they have their both their you haven't eaten dinner yet either so i know they've been dick as on purpose mhm coward used to bait on imaginable for dog get a little snack around supper ta i think whether tweet every day except it's manageable he'd send a message across across the world instantaneously media changes and so do a social capabilities not far as down denver you're so high obey everything i do he does a good job i like him a lot of people hate this i don't know why i think it's the like he's really he is really energetic for everything but just him i don't think if only i think that's just him break eight people don't like that i feel like i feel like i an eagles like yelling pretty frequently i think he does a good job he's charismatic bienne man everyone loves gus johnson that's all he did he's cares me that's why i don't know i territory had some big problem tom he he's just very overeager like before the walking to the live yeah yes go right nah i'm fine with it is i'm fine with us but i i love boogie i love i would love to booger call the super bull met monday that never gets that game right now a joe book joe bookie to get the super bowl or i i didn't know that michaels and concentrated recently it goes between the three major networks go CBS that pressure had listened to fox year so let's see yuck listen dan fouts and when i think it's fine yep yep next year CB so empty zombie romo the the romo via the NBC yeah so did they NBC skip the year that's what it was who had it last sir let me see you remember it went CBS fox NBC CBS NBC CBS fox CBS so yeah NBC's ABC's back after twenty twenty two so it's going folks like fox no CBS is getting it twice in three years CBS's headed last year here and they're going to have next year so i don't know how to pull that and then back to NBC we'll just call us so we may we don't romo don't get a super bowl 'til next year that's good though because CBS CBS last last year right yes he lash buck and their mama they might be my least favorite national boo oh i don't know because aikman uh aikman gets some c. t. once a game just says some that has nothing to do with anything and bucks boxer really good books good i just it's it's really aikman that i'm just i could leave him of the of the duo's they're easily at least favorite yeah i do i collins worthen michael's michael's are michelle four years like nancy reagan wolfson's great like nansen phil phil simms nancy just dying to be rescued man right at negga romo used to be now i don't know why NBC skipped very ato been like a contract reset or something maybe just kleber abor between france you want the big game in the world and i will i wonder i wonder if that won't be the biggest thing for NBC NBC is the olympics this year so i wonder if i wonder if must have something to do with it could yeah there could be happening now 'cause they headed in twenty two okay but as i look back will before that it did i have sunday night football or that's where as i look back before that in two thousand twelve NBC didn't do it until nineteen ninety eight right right so they fill out for a while i'm guessing they came back that year it was like we it's probably just in our best interest in non olympic years they it did that first year and they probably didn't make the money they wanted to try random reagan does a lot of production tana production yeah so the way we'll just take it off i bet that had something to do with in there it's the only thing that really makes sense because you're right why would use punt the super good no no aw oh no we'll get you guys at twenty two it's like yeah you guys what what second round pick now just give us a some maxon reruns just a big east basketball take some of that we that is you you gotta be some disney plushest that's got some big money like something's gonna just not no no no we we couldn't we couldn't find people to work we couldn't could put together bracken here we go CBS NBC swap super bowl telecasts years in twenty one twenty twenty two they're both yeah what's going to be when he's old trade like why did they trade vince carter antoine jamison and like no other picks why did this it means boden networks compare other major sporting events with the NFL championship traditionally the highest rated program yeah CBS which carried it will do a twenty one day gives a network the super bowl and the final four and a two months ban it also gives CBS super bowls in three years NBC you see me while gets the twenty twenty two super bowl from los angeles angeles and the network will televise the winter olympics it had both the NFL title game in the winter games in two thousand eighteen fox will have the super bowl twenty twenty fox death all got so yeah there's it i'm still not understanding what it sounds like they wanna just light it up NBC i was trying to get on a winter olympic schedules probably olympics prep i'd imagine louis yeah so or they maybe they just want the the twenty twenty to the super bowl from los angeles so that'll be from the big ones maybe they just want the i dunno fox's just thought of our tax tax bracket along for the ride yeah much if fox is like we'll take whatever loosely guys i wanted to nineteenth year oakland the superbowl won't fuck i hate watching college football games on fox sal used to be pumped for the super bowl on fox because it meant there'd be a simpson's episode right after the super bowl and that was before the patriots were a real team so it was like that was what i was watching for when now you get the simpsons is what you want but i need to look into like what the patriots record is on each channel i'm pretty sure they ally shit happened on yet definitely happened on fox i'm sure there's a certain book at there that has data i know madden was calling the first one against the rams because he was like ticket overtime i'm playful tie used to be unimaginable play for the win i remember that like audited calls like this kind of a lot i got if i was saying i was playing madden i'd go for for playing the super bowl i might not like ozzy would jumbo is saying it's like i don't aguirre had obviously they went to go goforth i at the time i remember being like wash but didn't like i've i've felt that way about the end of half too because i feel like people sit on a lot of have to haul it definitely it's like this is the end of the game you would do it why would you not traffic it you've got to timeout you can't run to place to see what we can pick got fifteen yards take two shots and maybe get three points that might change the entire game relate to timeouts we're in a super bowl when you're a seventeen point underdog just be happy to get some OT i'd like to extend the the game if i was them lose a coin flip they kick them forty five yard field goal and a dome and just put the football right on top of a quarter and i'll kick it right right right there right through that that's what we're going to ball game one is the best about volta madden layers great is the best idea i've had bill out say out say john we're i'm ed nice pad look like they're passing on first down madden i'm calling one more game would be electric i don't even know if he keeps up there will be part of the magic of julio who are these guys what did we get here these upstart patriots so what a games i see rams is like back in saint saint louis LA why no no no says the chargers they're they're there to vegas i'm going the home gets his bus worse peyton manning no so far features like not for me but can we do announce we'll talk for another two hours to stop it now now you're doing the right thing recipes tom yes rest rest in peace porter yes recipes bow yes recipes nipsy TMC cockaded fine for flint loomis flint all of all the cowards cleese isn't that anchorage you muskrats wraps galleons we'll see you guys synthesis friday still later today but also next week both maybe maybe see it

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The Tim McKernan Show Ep. 344  QFTA

The Tim McKernan Show

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The Tim McKernan Show Ep. 344 QFTA

"Yes yes welcome into mckernan show from the home loan expert. Dot Com studios questions from the audience alongside gangster Pete. I'm your host Tim mckernan. It's a podcast in which you send in questions opinions stories really anything to T- mckernan at inside St L. Dot Com and what we do is read them and we talk about them. It's really kind of a simple format team current at inside us. Y'ALL DOT COM. Anytime you have anything just Senate in the next thing you know it becomes a podcast topic. We're in the home. Loan expert Dot Com studios. I am in my basement. Gangster Pete is in the Kirkwood studios and the home loan expert. Dot Com is our studio sponsor. I just refinanced with the home. Loan expert dot com and therefore can speak from a first person experience to how easy the process was and how. I recommend it to our audience in addition to supporting our sponsor Ryan Kelly the home loan expert Dot Com. I can also tell you that it saved me. Twenty plus percent twenty plus percent. I finally did the math. And it's twenty plus percent and I know before I had done and I thought okay this is going to be a whole thing and I really don't have the appetite for a whole thing at this moment and it was so easy it was so easy like the signing process. In order to do it can be done now. just by you know one of those documents e scan via email couldn't be any easier that took less than five minutes and then when my wife and I went into close which was last Tuesday Thursday one of those three We were in there for less than twelve minutes that quickly. So and just like that. We've saved twenty percent and the amount of money we save and how easy it was and knowing we're doing business with somebody the caliber of Ryan Kelly and his staff makes. It's so easy and I see it. It's it's irresponsible at this point not to At least look into how much you can save the home loan expert Ryan Kelly the home loan expert Dot Com our studios sponsored gangster. What's the good word with you? Find Sir You know just Doing it making it happen. I like that I really really liked it. I feel like this. I think people are starting to turn to questions from the audience for maybe a little more depth so to speak than what we are currently able to do with the Ryan Kelly morning after we are coming off of. I think the worst show that I have done on. Tma since two thousand seven. You don't like the tutors. That was probably the highlight of the worst. Show that we have done since two thousand seven and so I've got a few things going on and I've just decided now and you like it that I'm swerving into this as opposed to kind of I don't know swatting away swerving into it swerves swerving into the hatred that I know is there for whatever reason I don't know but I just know it's there so it's like okay fuck you you hate me then fuck you. But that's not what. This moment is about first off the morning after was for my money the worst show. We've done that. I've been a part of anyway since two thousand seven and I'm not saying that is a hyperbolic prisoner of the moment. Mike Greenberg take I really. It was so bad that I was looking at the clock a variety of different times for the first time since two thousand seven going. I don't know what the Hell we're going to do to get to the top of the hour. That's how bad it was. So they have that. I'll get into that in a moment. Then secondly for whatever reason. My basement is freezing cold. And that's where I'm doing the show. And I know that Seth Gold Camp and designer heating and cooling Have set up our house so that it is whatever we want. We can do so you have here. Here are two principles. This is our science lessons. Like Mr Wizards real cold. Air Falls hot air rises right so at night on our top floor. We turn the air on. We have nothing in the main floor and then I believe we turn everything off on the in the basement which is where I do the show and so that means when I come down here in the morning at whatever time it is usually in the five o'clock hour drink my coffee and read and Watch TV. It's super cold. So then I turn on the heat but I believe the air is still on the top floor and so it's essentially cancelling each other out. I'm just Fr- I am wearing as we are talking my winter coat which I just went out and and put on after we recorded. Tma and I saw my son. Who of course I love seeing but I also know and I see him he does not want me to just make an appearance. It becomes it. He wants to play which I love but that that's why I do. Tma and if we have to podcast a podcast and then I tend to much business. They can Before going upstairs because I know once I go upstairs he will freak out if I have to return downstairs but I had to get the winter coat and And so now I feel terribly because a just did the worst Ryan Kelly morning after in thirteen years be. I'm freezing and see. I had to leave my son. Who IS Who is sad that his father had to return back downstairs so those are the three things. So I'm very very bad as we do this. Podcast which might lead to a great podcast or might lead to a bad podcast. I don't know but I think it's important to let the audience know where I am with regard to Roman numeral one the bad. Tma Did you sense how bad the show us today. At the I noticed there's a lot of trouble with people talking over people it was. It was the worst it's ever been. Yeah it was the worst. It's bad it's bad. Even we're in studio which is why I really don't talk that much on the show that people are starting to make observation more and more and so I'm just Kinda like all right. I was going to get out of the way because I wanNA talk but I don't want to contribute to the interrupting so the only way to know that there will be additional interrupting by not talking so I don't really talk so then my chance to actually host to show. Is this podcast. That's when I host a show now so there's that and and because of that maybe then I retreated even more than I let it wander even more and I'm frustrated because as a listener at this moment no longer a host but somebody not just lister but who has to listen perk PERMI- contract as the host. I don't know what to do to try to fix the thing. And and then I have to put responsibility on myself and that you know I. It's not really a brag. It's just the way that the show has worked that we're able to roll the ball out there and it works entrust the force and today. The force wasn't working and I'm like. Ooh This is what happens when the forest doesn't work and it's just just horrendous. I mean it was. It was so bad I wanted to like text you go. Hey Do you have a swaps picks available? Which is you know. I've never done in the nearly three years. You've been with us. I two years three years nurse. Two thousand eighteen to. Yeah so I I mean I just. I don't know so what this means is. I've gotta like put. Some things together is essentially a fallback for tomorrow. Show that's what I can't let what happened today happened again. I also. I'm going to bring my winter stuff down into the basement to prevent the cold thing and stuff with running upstairs to get my winter coat. That doesn't have to happen again by taking care of number two or I would run into my son And then he freaks out but I just I'm coming off of TMA. And I have to. I have to work on things Immediately after the podcast with regard to What we're what we're looking at. Which is out in the open now. So I don't have to dance around that with regard to acquiring a radio station or some some kind of maneuver and And that is really where we'll be really clock in for the day And this moment is certainly a priority and and so I WanNa do this podcast. I've said before his therapeutic but I'm looking for because it's just really the first time I feel like I'm going to be able to talk with an extended thought And it's just it's it's the nature of the situation in general that we are in a spot where Doug is it his house. He's on the phone. I think there's a slight delay there the cats at his house. He's on the phone. I think there's a slight delay. There I have a COMREX unit And that's just because I had the COMREX unit when I was in Spring Training. I still haven't been back into the studio since spring training so I still have the COMREX unit which I don't think has the delay and it has a clear Connection and then you have the Plow Hawk and Iggy who talk more than you do pete and so although I really feel like the Plow Hawk only talks when when spoken to But then you basically four people who can't see each other who don't know when the other is going to talk and if there's a pregnant pause then all four feel a primal of having to fill that time and if you're just filling it means the thought isn't necessarily that provocative or amusing and it becomes white noise vanilla broadcasting and that's what we had for. God. I don't know two three hours today and As the person with the sweater I've got to own it and I'm really irritated by it and I feel I feel very Disappointed in myself gangster. Pete that's what I feel like. Your thoughts are well. I've never heard you this disappointed after a show before so I I really haven't been even even the bad ones are still pretty good but this was so bad. I'm kind of embarrassed by it but I'm just like you know I've got it is because because here's the thing and we've talked about it more on the podcast than than on the radio show. I don't want to get into the crow virus right and it's not because I don't want to get into the corona virus that hasn't been said what's that what can you say that hasn't been said about the current events. It is so politicized that it's it's a it's a toxic topic and so it's you can't you can't like even like the sports links that you sent over that somewhat had to do with the colonel and you probably noticed maybe you didn't. I assume you did because I know you're sharp cat. I read the story with the report on baseball. And and then what it leads to. Is it some people might not realize I mean I think I think I think I know what's going on? The cat really wants sports back. Okay I get it. I understand the situation And and then Doug will say. I don't know how much longer people can take this. You see the protests out there and it's like you know it just depends on where you're where you're getting your information from and then I I don't know I don't know how to handle it. Honestly that's that's that's the real predicament. I don't know how to handle it for the first few weeks of talking about it I didn't view it as a political topic I mean you had the president but the president does what he does and I don't really it's just that it I dislike. Okay there's that guy saying things but they don't really matter at least they don't matter to me but then I got to think about it that it doesn't but for like thirty five percent of the population that they really buy in. But I didn't really feel like like a medical issue could be politicized and now that it's the there and now I were as perhaps naively. I didn't see it that way a few weeks ago. Now I see it. And maybe because it's increased over the last few weeks. I just try to avoid the topic but it is the topic but now I'm intentionally avoiding it so it doesn't turn into one of those political shows that I also don't think is particularly great radio so it's it's I I didn't I enjoy it. Actually doing the show the first few weeks of it again. Considering the circumstances it wasn't like enjoyable because they're in the circumstances it was an outlet and now It's a weird spot and so I I mean it's not like they're sports to fall back on. That was a huge deal. One way or the other for the show. But it's like the big topic in the room. I kind of prefer not to talk about on. Tma I I'd I'd talk about it for three hours on this this podcast but Not on TMA. Because we don't necessarily debate philosophy we debate. What's true and that leads to me often times either biting my tongue and kind of like. Bang my head against the wall or kind of losing my shit and neither one are great. So there is. There is the state of my mind at this particular moment gangster. Pete Yeah I mean some a lot of this. There's nothing you can do about it because I mean it is really hard and you have that many people that can't see each other and you've got the delay so that is going to be an issue every day and then yeah if you WANNA avoid the current virus. 'cause I mean it's getting more and more politicised like it's unbelievable like that's what was so cool about the last dance the other night. It was almost like a sporting event was on that everyone was watching again. You know it's been so long since there'd been something on TV that you just knew everybody was watching any discuss so so we had that for the first hour of the show. Yesterday I loved it. Yeah you know and I felt like yesterday show was. It's that's you know you I mean I don't even know. I guess we can do the math. Sixteen years probably about two hundred fifty shows per year. I happen to have a calculator right next to me here. So it's we're looking at here. Sixteen Times to fifty four thousand shows I shouldn't do that math End of the four thousand shows thirty nine hundred have been either. Just what I would describe as just good and easy and just today's stands out to me and takes me back to two thousand seven and that was the time when Martin had quit producer. Joe had been fired. The cat had been fired. And I was working with Bob VESCO and it. We just didn't have the chemistry and Bob. Bob Has gone on to do well for himself in Kansas City. We just do what he does what I do. Two totally different things doesn't make him bad me good or vice versa. Just just it isn't a good fit so it just didn't work and so a system. I had been used to playing. I couldn't play any longer and then it got to a point where I'm like looking at the clock going. Oh my God I can't wait 'til a commercial break and that's what we had today and it was. It was a holy shit moment because I haven't had that in so long and it's like okay. I gotTa make sure that if I'm not going to let the corona virus get into the discussion. Not because I don't WanNa talk about it because it becomes so political the hatred that comes in when we talk about it for whomever's talk. Oh Yeah it's not. It's not limited to any one person. It's not limited to like liberals on dog or conservatives on me it's it's across the board is and I also and I've had some people who've emailed me and I would describe them as I think intelligent. But you can't really engage it. I guess by how somebody writes. But you know you don't know but astute people at the very least and they're saying things that I look up just like okay. Maybe they're right and I'm wrong and then I look it up and it's like no. They're wrong but yet they're saying wrong. Things really politely. And and so. It's just like by wrong. I'm not talking about opinion I'm talking about. They're actually saying things that are factually incorrect. But they're saying it politely because usually the way it works is people say they're either salting and it's like dumb and just okay delete and it's whatever or if they're saying something With facts that they're planning Aaron correct. There might be doing a mean-spirited way. Because it does usually take if you're in an angry spot You're not going to necessarily write politely. So you kind of have to be counterintuitive to what it would be if you're going to write somebody to disagree so I take those seriously and then I'm like okay. Maybe we were on that. I gotTa look it up and I'm like oh no that. That wasn't wrong that we were right in this person while you know saying kindly is is actually wrong and so that's tough. That's the tough thing about The current again. I'm coming off of this particular show where I'm really. I almost wanted to text dug in the cat and go. What the fuck do I mean? This is like it's like we're you know it's a it's a very old reference but a but a great Missouri Basketball Team in ninety four and I think because I made reference to Nolan Richardson interviewing him when I was doing. Tv In little rock and and they went undefeated in the big eight but they got slaughtered by like fifty or sixty points at the opening of Bud. Walton arena in Fayetteville. And then they went on to be a number one. Cw Tournament that night. They were terrible. And that's what we just had and so I'm coming off of that and I'm about to sneeze. Do there was less you. Do you have allergies gangster. No I'm blessed. Oh My god Oh holy Shit this time of year and I was only outside with my son for like ten minutes in already. Starting up so So anyway questions from the audience always without fail. Made me feel better it is. It is my drug. I enjoy questions from the audience. It is nice to know that I can say something and expound on it and get all of my thoughts out there And so that's a question from the audience is and gangster. Pete has continued observe. Your stock continues to rise every week. They're they're new emails or even post on the fan page. I know that's not your favorite place About enjoying your work on the program. Well I appreciate it. That's Nice it's fun to do something different Like I said before. I know how fast that can turn. So you're not reading your own press. I'm not reading the press clippings all right one game at a time and And some of these. I'm I've read some of them. I've seen there longer and read them when we get to the program I don't think that yeah this one. I do. Remember reading because it came in Twelve O six in the morning so it's probably like something. I read very first thing when I woke up and these are just kind of like questions that I can answer. They're not necessarily philosophical. But I'm happy to do it. Hey Tim I have a couple of questions. I'm curious about number one. Why does it? Doug ever have the text line up. Is it because it's vile? He doesn't own laptop or it's better to get his response. I'm certainly owns a laptop. He does not bring it into the program and I just don't think he really cares. I think that probably the best way to answer it so He does not have it up. There isn't there isn't a great answer to it. The cat sometimes does he. Sometimes doesn't it seems like when he's at home he does more so because he'll sometimes close it. Iggy does not plow haug does or at least can and Pete you do that would be a way to describe and I do that would be the way to describe Texan box and who is seeing and who is not as correct. Yeah that's that's right. Doug just doesn't care. He doesn't care Number two besides getting his MBA gangster pete question. What did Pete previously do before joining? Tma did he have a previous occupation slash career also as a fan of the show artery to see it as a business opportunity. Sarthe these have already been answered. I really don't miss an episode of TMA. But I'm hit or miss here Thanks for all you do. That's from Ryan Shanley Yeah I mean I. I used to teach business classes. 'cause cosgrave business classes to high school kids and then. I got my MBA. While I was doing that and then I got a job doing a real estate development for assisted living company so I did that for a few years. And then sign. I wanted to do something that I enjoy doing. And so you're gangster. Pete is a is a sharp cat and Has Been a great addition to the program. I'm hesitant on this one because I didn't read it. It's long and it's baseball specific. I'm GonNa go ahead and read it. Sir mckernan please indulge me query if you may this may be a little long winded. So bear with me. Consider the possibility that MLB may play games that fans. I'm wondering what you thought. That might do the possibility of Dylan Carlson. Making the major league team if it happens. I've heard that. Despite strong spring training performances some pundits to not believe he would have made the opening day roster because the cardinals referred to give first chances to other more established players like lane. Thomasson Tyler O.`Neil the thought being that they deserve. The first chance and they'd Carlson would be better served with playing time in the minors than sitting on the bench. The majors every even now there seems to be some thought. The same logic would apply when baseball resumes. Despite the likelihood that roster's would be expanded this confuses me though. This premise assumes that minor league teams would also be playing without fans. But why would that be? There will already be risks with major league teams playing in controlled environments that require a hundred plus personnel even without fans adding one hundred more minor league teams practicing or playing families. Games would seem to me to just increase the risk. Also I'd be shocked if Minor League teams can generate any revenue without tickets in game day sales so it would just be giant expense landing on the balance sheet of every major league owner but. I do wonder since baseball and like other. Sports relies heavily on the minor leagues to cover injuries and develop future players. How they could get by without the minor leagues playing. Seems like catch? Twenty two me again. I'm enjoying the show Adam. Not Colorado them Ps If you're also taking opinions is this really Q- Oh Fda. That doesn't really rough tongue. Nope all right. So there's that I don't know my honest answer is i. I probably should edit this out at. That's my allergies are killing me now because I was outside and I'm pissed about how bad the radio show was the last thing I'm thinking about is Dylan Carlson Lane. I have to picture who they are actually before i. It's that's my honest answer. I don't know I don't know what the minor leagues going to do. I know the question has the purest of intense and this gentleman has sent in a number of good questions It's just not something that I have a real strong opinion on that is that's the honest answer and you can think. I'm a complete asshole for the answer but I want to be honest with you. Paid anything play. The best guys like to blow my nose so I might blocking allergies so brutal and I've learned so much shit man. I'm on flown as something that starts with an X Y and Z. I have no idea why they named Bat. 'cause it's the most I'll tell you. Pronounce something with an excellent Y and Z to start. What kind of Fucking Marketing Research? Netti pot going to Netti Pot and the Nettie pots the tits. The NETTI POT is the tits. That should be their marketing. Whoever named Zik Saul should be terminated and the Netti Pot? Is The tits at a roommate tits. Have you ever Nettie potted remained content in any pot? I'd never seen before I was like what the hell is that. Oh I thought it was doing some drugs or something. It's a thing like the first couple of seconds of Netti Pot. I guess I am obligated to explain what it is and I really might need to do it even outside for like five minutes Holy Shit. This is bad. It's bad man. It looks like a little like Aladdin's lantern actually more than a teapot and you put a mixture of sailing into the water and then you tilt your head over the sink. You Insert one of the or the end of the Aladdin's lantern into one of your nostrils and the water pours through your scientists is clearing out the pollen and you do truly feel better but you can feel like like if you were to. You cannot inhale through your nose while this process is going on. I don't even know what that would I mean. I would imagine brutal consciously breathe and do so through your mouth because it's just a substantial amount of water and then once you're halfway through that water then you turn the other way and then you put it through the other astral and it does truly feel better. I really should Netti pot in the middle of this podcast. I might need to my eyes itching so much and I'm GONNA have to To seize but yes. I if you are having allergies that has helped me I all. I've done this morning's as flonase thing that Zik saw which is XYZ. Worst fucking name You're supposed to take at night so I did that. I just have the worst seasonal allergies and it's an unusually. It's either this or September. Maybe the first week or two of October in Saint Louis. It's the absolute best weather but for this time of year. I don't have it in September October but for this time of year. It's really a motherfucker to be outside and I would imagine one out of I don't know twenty five or fifty people deal with this so for most people just like you gotta be kidding me. Your bitching this much about sneezing but it's not just sneezing. It's like my is super red and I was outside for a very small amount of time so anyway. I know that wasn't the question. It was about Dylan Carlson and I honestly don't know I honestly don't know I I really don't I know it's a legitimate question. And if they're not playing minor leagues and why not have them on the major league roster if they are playing major leagues and Their Art Minor Leagues? And they don't put them on the major league roster then people are understandably going to wonder what the. Hell's going on because then it will be like nothing but service time I would say would be the criticism all right been listing on to the radio show for the last ten years and the podcast since it began thoroughly. Enjoy both of them. I appreciate how you're willing to show both sides of the coin whether you agree or disagree to rephrase even though you might be on one side and issue you're not afraid to point out the opposing side. My question to you is. Where do you find your news these days? You have to be mindful of what you can watch slash read and if they have an agenda bias we all know Fox slash CNN and their slant. Newspapers generally all lean left. I would prefer to be presented facts and for my own opinions and your is one of the most impartial news services News sources these days. Thanks in advanced some snooping velvet-velvet I really appreciate the The first part of it. That's something that I take seriously I really do. I really tried to do it in a big way of trying to think we talked about it. I don't know if it was the end of Monday. Show what is today Tuesday so I had to be Friday That when it comes to interpreting news not even interpreting news news Accessing news I think the core issue I really do I actually think the core issue of the polarization of the United States is news. I honestly believe that I believe that you can. You can point to some now. Maybe people will. And this will be. Somebody'll be bold and started contrarian threat against me on the fan page big moment for them. But that's that's not my intent is and you can email me if you disagree with it but my premise being like if you know. Donald TRUMP IS THE PROBLEM. Or if you go. Nancy Pelosi is the problem where Brock Obama was the problem. Whatever take your pick doesn't matter. I believe that you can then take take whichever person you WANNA list. And then backtrack it and then you will get to the way. Facts are presented or not presented in the news but it depends on which news outlet. You are getting it from so that to me is the core because if you are having a conversation with someone so take politics out of it. Take picture yourself at work and not necessarily with your boss. But you're at work with appear and you're trying to solve a problem and your peer is telling you something that in your mind is just false. It's going to irritate you. And therefore you're also going to think just play it out you're going to think your your co worker is lying to you and then therefore because you think you are being allied to what do you associate with someone who's lying who's knowingly representing falsehood to you. You consider that person to have poor character correct and so what's that piece of Shit? Yes and so if right now if you have a and I don't even think I think the easy way out it'll both sides do it and you know. It's just the extremes of both because the left moving far to the left and the right so it's kind of like this here. Let me let me take your cock in my hand and your cock in my hand. I'M GONNA jerk both off and we're going to just not really say anything but fill time and make it sound like we're giving a take and it's bullshit because I don't even think you have to be. I don't think you have to be extreme to have this going on at all. As a matter of fact Pete I think we can have it and I think we're probably somewhat similar in our world views. But if if I'm saying something to you and even if I'm doing so politely and you're like no I know that that's not true and we have to agree on a certain set of facts before we move on to figuring out how to address these facts that are causing a problem. We'll how can we possibly work together? If we're disagreeing on what the problem is and how does that happen at happens from the news outlets and that is why I say I understand both sides of it. I really do because I don't think everyone is bash. I don't think the people who are of my mindset which is certainly a slim amount in particular in the Saint Louis Metropolitan area who share my world views are the only ones who are right and then everyone who doesn't and that would be like almost anybody. I like hang out with Whether it be family or or friends Who like me? Is this This outlier that. They're all wrong but we are getting our information from different places or we are pursuing information at different levels. And by that I mean for what I do for a living. I feel. It's important that I am as informed as possible and And that is why and also I enjoy. I enjoy reading it so I am as subscriber to the New York Times fucking liberal. I may subscriber to the Wall Street. Journal fucking conservative and I watch on Sunday mornings at. I make sure to do so even on days where I'm not really in the mood for it or when I look at the panels and I go shit this motherfucker Meet the press and Fox News Sunday so Chuck Todd and Chris Wallace So that is what I do but even with that I would tell you that I notice things that I don't even think they're necessarily malicious in their representation of what has taken place now. You can look at panels panels are different dislike hosts of like your nighttime Cable News shows. Those are op-eds those editorials those are hosts of TV shows. Those are not your news. Anchors you know in other words Lester Holt should be. Emphasize verbally italicized Lester. Holt should be different than Rachel. Maddow not necessarily in the ideal standpoint but in the execution of the NBC business standpoint both are at NBC one is at Msnbc is the anchor of the NBC nightly news. And Lester Holt should be different than Sean Hannity. And he should be different than Don Lemon. So he is an anchor. The others are hosts. But I don't think that the public necessarily sees a difference between the two. I think that's the case. And so you grew that pete absolutely and so. I think that's where a lot of this comes from. Now if you were to open up and at this point you have to be a subscriber. I pay to be not. I think it's well worth it to. It's it's like fifteen bucks each one per month and for what I do for a living you know to spend forty five dollars on subscriptions and I guess I'm a subscriber to the athletic and that's like a dollar or something a month but with regard to politics the the caliber of the reporting in those Newspapers although I'm reading them of course online Or over my phone is it such another level. It's it's such an and I'm not talking about the editorials I don't actually I guess I I. It's not to say I never have. I don't know for every article I read. I might read. He's got for every one hundred articles I read. I may read one op-ed and I don't even know I mean it's it's Kinda like at that point you're disliking better written version of a comments section. That's how I view it so I don't know I'm just out on that stuff and it's not because I think the people riding at have some kind of malicious intent. It's just okay. It's an opinion. That's cool. I am interested in is sourced reporting. That's what I'm interested in. And and and so and I don't know if the people who are listening to this who who would even be in the same You who who are relating to what I'm saying in the sense that looking for information and and then who have like maybe back in the day read you know just would read a Fox News Dot COM or CNN dot com and then take that and then go and start reading a Wall Street WSJ.COM NY TIMES DOT Com Washington Post Dot Com and the difference is I mean it's just monstrous. How much better the reporting is I'm not talking about like Oh this matches up with my worldview and therefore I like it. It's just it's so well done and it does give me an understanding why journalists although I realized you know certainly part of it is self interest but from an idealistic standpoint continue to talk about the importance of journalism but right now I think journalism comes with a negative connotation because journalism is perceived to be this Created in the back room and then packaged up to serve a left-wing most of the time that's the perception or right wing agenda as opposed to actual reporting and what I am interested in is actual reporting. But it's tough. If I want to have a discussion with somebody and I don't want to have it immediately. Blow up before we even get the first words out and I say yes in this story as reported by the New York Times. If that person is conservative they go. Oh well fuck in New York Times and we're already done and we haven't even had the chance to but if I were to say well this in this editorial in The New York Times I would get it because across the board and I don't even know if again because I don't read them but I see him and there's like ten of them a day. I guess I'll open it up right now. of these columns You know I mean Shit you know what just for the sake of it. I'm opening up right now and I will. I will read. Read the op-eds what they're all today titled You're on your own. Essential workers are being told. That's from the editorial board. Oh now here's a calm for Marco. Rubio we didn't need a more resilient American economy Gail Collins and Brad Stevens. The politics of sanity are within OUR GRASP. Michelson Dell are. We Are we all in this together. Daniel MARKOWITZ wealth tax is the logical way to support corona virus relief Paul Krugman. The right sends in the quacks. That's I believe in reference to Dr Phil Dr Drew and Dr Oz and the regular appearances on Fox News Michelle Goldberg Goldberg Biden Presidency. Could be better than progressives think I guess this is a conservative one. If liquor stores are essential wise in church which by the way just reading the headline. I think that's a fair to say I think that's kind of a fair premise. And it's not like I'm You know real into religion so it kind of actually shot right at me Because clearly they had some conservative columns But that's the perception. I know that but as far as the reporting goes that the reporting is it's so well done but I would also say that about the Wall Street Journal and I really find myself enjoying reading that whereas I don't and DVR NBC nightly news. Which I also know like Doug if I've juggler on the show right now with me. Oh well that's liberal. You know but it's a fact based its reporting it's the panels that then get into and it's and I don't even know how a gender it is? It's Eh by that. I mean 'cause agenda to me is flying under the radar to try to communicate. Opinion passed off as fact and I don't think panels are that I think panels are very clearly opinions so I don't really know if that's an agenda. I guess you could say Fox clearly like brings in a week. Liberal and CNN brings in a week conservative so that well we had a conservative but he got stomped on so that that might be an issue but as far as reporting goes reporting out opinions and to attempt to attempt to get as much accuracy and then see if they both are being reported by the various outlets My three reads are new. York Times Wall Street Journal Washington Post and then my two Well my news program is NBC Nightly News Dvr and then my Television news opinion show Sunday morning shows or meet the press. Eight o'clock on Sunday morning and Fox News Sunday at least locally. It's at nine o'clock with Chris Wallace. So that's that's that's my gamut of my attempt to get as much unbiased reporting asked possible gangster. Pete what is your answer. I like to listen to long foreign podcasts. And then I read The Wall Street Journal. The Post I find myself reverse engineering a lot of internet articles like out. I'll read something that would be. I can't seems off the Google. The site it's from and then try to figure out what they're where they're coming from. It's it's annoying the thing. The thing about it is and I feel like we've talked about this on the radio. Show the PODCAST. I think it was a radio show but what people say like. I want unbiased reporting. But the reality is these are profit-driven businesses. It's like any other business and the titillating Shit. The controversial Shit. The divisive shit is the stuff that works and so the down the middle delivered in a non bombastic way doesn't make the money and so you have a catch twenty two. I think that is a way to sum it up. concisely If you agree if you disagree please feel free to email in T- mckernan at inside US tale that common. We continue the discussion in next week's so Before we go to the next question from the audience We WanNa make sure we let our audience know that. Marquette of Evergreen Wealth Strategies is a wonderful sponsor this program and somebody I know respected. Great deal he is online. Evergreen S. T. L. DOT COM with this market volatility I am saying to you. You WanNa make sure you have somebody in somebody. You can count on Marquette Evergreen well strategies would certainly be that person he is online Evergreen S. T. L. DOT COM or. You would rather just give him a phone call. You'll feel better after you do three one. Four eight nine zero five zero three. That's three one. 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Have you guys discussed setting up a zoom account or something similar since you have such good chemistry together and on each other A big spitting shake woods guy and I know they broadcast live on record the podcast and they still step on each other a little bit but they haven't worked together for more than ten years either like you guys have just thought in my buzzed world. that is from Eric. I don't know I. I think that probably would help. I think I think it would help. I don't think I think my issue with today's show which was more so than what Eric referencing. Because what he heard had to have been a week or two ago was We just did. We just didn't have shit to talk about. But that's my fault. That is my responsibility and nobody else's so yeah you did have the talking over way more and I do clearly have things that I wanNA talk about Fox. Every every week I read this thing. I'M GONNA do. We go pete and I feel terribly because I go like two hours so I can talk and I want to talk and I love talking. Why it's therapeutic. It's not fun to talk when you like. Here's somebody like clearing their throat. Every three seconds or dog barking for like. Oh Shit if I if I pause somebody's GonNa jump in You know that's that's not that's not fun and I would imagine Everybody else on the show feels the same way. And so when we're all in the studio It's it's you know it's it's mitigated but what are you. GonNa do not do the show so okay. We're in a unique circumstance. First Time ever most likely last time ever and therefore we've got to take measures to help mitigate the issue the issue can't be mitigated with facial tells. Her body tells that we usually have subliminally from doing the show together for all these years. It's just filled with content that that is going to get people talking and have a conversation as opposed to just filling pregnant pauses and that is my responsibility as The point guy on the show so tomorrow's Ryan Kelly morning after. I will probably have ten things that I would consider discussion starters. Ideally none of them that could possibly be taken into a political direction and and We'll we'll I if we have another show like today. Pete I'M GONNA have to look in the mirror because today I just relied on the force and force has worked for sixteen years even when we're not around each other and And and it just wasn't it wasn't I know you're down about it but I I trust will bounce back tomorrow I have. I'm confident as well. Now if we don't then I go Holy Shit. What the hell happened so Yeah sometimes here's the other thing not to this probably is I opening to people once I say it but perhaps since I haven't said it before it might might be like. Oh now that you say it I get it. It can be anybody you know. You know random people who happen to a radio show but what you have going on professionally Or personally can certainly impact like I can get taxed and it can be from a family member or it can be business related in the middle of the show and I see it and it has just blown me up. I am now going to videotape. I'm no longer participating. I'm there but I'm no longer active in the game. And you know Doug and the cat to their credit. Because I don't know how they do it You know. I guess. The cat doesn't have to do it right now but he certainly had to do it for the first fifteen years being pushed idiom until whatever time and then get. I don't know something in the five o'clock hour because the cats always the first one in the studio He just feels like he needs to do that. To wake up whereas I just I need to be at home as long as possible and drink coffee and not be around anybody You know and then Doug Anchor in some nights on Sunday night to like twelve thirty in the morning coming in. So you're super tired. You'RE NOT GONNA be right but that's the thing about today. There was nothing really to cause this outside of Itis didn't have shit ready but then again I really never have shit. We just go and it just didn't It just it just didn't work and I gotta be gotta be better than that So anyway the question was about zoom. What do you think on that? What do you think about I mean I think you could help. I don't know about the delay on the zoom in the COMREX and all that so I think we'd have to test it out I. That's right that's a good. I mean it's possible can help yeah. That's a good point on the delays. There well I don't know if like your audio the comrex comes in quicker than the phone lines so I don't know if there would be some kind of disconnect there like even with being able to each other just being able to see each other regardless even though you know the delays there would help you know. I don't don't don't don't you mentioned that See this is a tweet. I just happened to see from Andrew. Marshawn quote tweeting Colin Coward have to share some news. Our podcast and digital ratings and March with no games are up double digits year to year sort of expected that lots of binge podcast listing but our radio ratings are big with fewer cars on the road and doubled in Los Angeles. Thanks sincerely okay. That's like gross. And that by that I mean him tweet. Foxsports wants to tweeted. I get it but him tweets just like put. Whatever it's standard. I'm just not all that familiar with him. I mean I know of him certainly but I I don't know if I've ever watched more than five minutes straight of him I think he's good in small doses. Because a lot of times they'll take a contrarian point of view which will make you think a little bit but then like over a long period of time or multiple hours in a day. You're just like shut up dude. Yeah it's not all that familiar with them so I thought it was interesting because People have asked. Hell happened yesterday. Matter of fact Like how it affects what we do and I'm like well. I mean we still do our thing unfortunately because our thing on both this show and then. Tma is to talk about whatever and whatever's going on in our lives and what it is that we're most interested in it doesn't affect us because we're not like reliant on the cardinals were blues to be playing. But now that I'm in this mode where I feel like the corona virus is political. I know what will happen to the show if I bring up any story related to it and I'm just not I just and I kinda scolded myself on. Tma Ford at the end of Friday. Show I think it was Friday. Show 'cause I read something that was I thought. Pretty Benign which was The ten west Saint Louis County. Mayor's Oh yeah going after County executive Sam page for lack of communication. And for you know not reopening of the county and how it's killing their citizens and so on and so forth then killing. I mean killing economically. At this time I should make clear on that and And I thought it was just kind of a I want to say. I thought it was nothing if I thought it was nothing. I wouldn't have read it but I didn't see how that could possibly get into it. Just got it into stuff and it just like this is just. It's kind of a nothing is safe and and by nothing save me. Nothing is safe from the political thing and the text inbox which is usually like this. Great source of comedy just goes into toxicity and And so it's like okay. I can't because the text inbox but because the show's not the show's not that great at this moment. So it's like okay. I can't go into even though I'm interested in topics I just I kind of I kind of feel like already know I already. I already like say whatever. But he's going to say before they say it and that isn't that interesting to me. I don't know what do you think Pete? What do you think the topic? How do we handle it talking about politics now no talking about covert nineteen? I mean this moment to different Different on. What are we talking? April twenty first is when we're recording this. I mean my my honest opinion. Is I kind of like avoiding it? Like if I want to voiding it if we have something good in its place but I'm an totally avoiding the elephant in the room right because I I like the team is kind of like a break from it because it's like everywhere you look it's all you see. It's all you hear is like when we talk about some other stuff. I really enjoy that look like today. Like the Zach Zane Article Today. I thought it was GONNA be about and whatever I suppose. It's still the same thing because it's human emotion that's not exclusive to male female or gay or straight or bi doesn't matter Which is and I never even got. I never even got to know clipping column. But the the What threesomes foursomes? Whatever and it enhanced our relationship and then I'm reading it for the first time as I'm willing to do with Zach Sane links and it turns out. He was topping a gentleman who had been married to a woman for nine years but couldn't get hard. I mean that's at that point. I'm thinking it's going to turn into a discussion on poly-amorous which I think it'd be a fascinating discussion and instead we've got Zack. Zane Limp Dick. I it you know with a with a with a gentleman who's been married woman for nine years and you really can't get past that and just move on you can't get you can't get past it and understandably dog and the cat which you know my belief and I think the audience probably understands it. To is for television reasons. They want to distance themselves from it as quickly as possible. And I don't want to get them in a weird spot so if I can tell that. They are more uncomfortable. Horrible that I'm not going to pursue it. You know but actually in the commercial break. I kept reading. And that's how I found out the guy who he couldn't get hard for was a gentleman who've been married to a woman for nine years as this guy really runs into some situations I learned. I learned what the word conversion means so I hit valuable lesson. Sometimes there are awards I recognize but I really don't know how to pronounce them in that case. I didn't know what it was. I don't think anybody on the day is did and and so I was like. Oh this is kind of interesting but I thought but I didn't realize it was Zane article until it was you know I mean I guess once I saw men's health and I scroll down then I saw was saying Argh Okay. I thought this was going to be. Hetero couples talking about threesomes and foursomes which absolutely interest me. But then it was Zane and he was. He was experiencing Impotence and and it was with a waiting husband of nine years to a woman and Zane saying he was thinking if the wife decided she had to move for a job what he lose Simon The gentleman who had a wonderful chiseled jaw and big biceps asleep at. I mean the SACRA who is who is a waiting and learning bottom Zach sane which also I have to tell you caught me off guard just isolate on on that particular part so there was a whole lot to the story and I would have loved to have continued with it clearly. It wasn't something that Doug and the cat really wanted to pursue. I think the Plow Hawk was so fucked up today more so than ever that he wasn't going to be able to participate in agee might not have been in the studio. He was tending imports. And so at this point it was me and you reading his accusation article on it. Just didn't it just didn't In like I said the fact that it was a a yearning husband of nine years woman who he was having these experiences with cars well Let's see the hell do it here? I'll do it on the podcast. Good afternoon Tim. Hope you and your family are staying safe during these troubled times. I was wondering what your thoughts are on. Trump's daily press conferences. This is a topic I would not bring up on the radio and you see the text. Inbox see them. Come in and you also notice. Probably that I don't read them Do you feel they are more helpful or do a disservice to the public? Good these trying times just some background earlier this month. I was furloughed by a major saint. Louis Company. I've been dealing with the stress of this quarantine and I feel that. His press conferences have been self-serving cynical and dishonest. I know people will point to the media's questions as harsh but in these times I want to feel assured by the country's leader and I don't feel that we are in these briefings. Thanks for providing me joy and laughter the mornings the last six years and look forward to your answer that is from Pat He had the press conferences. And this is something that is refreshingly actually being said by Republicans who don't necessarily live in fear of him and Democrats alike and then also voters who I think probably voted for him and those who voted for Hillary Clinton or did not vote November. Two Thousand Sixteen that the press conferences are just. I mean it's absolute circus. And and so if I if this point now I don't even bother with them but for the first couple of weeks when they would be on the way I would handle it was I. I'd Go God. This is unbelievable. I mean I still. I'm still not at a point of just going. Oh this is. This is now our normal. And I'm not talking about being quarantined with a pandemic. I'm talking about that. You know what is being said how. It's being handled. How just just awful it it is. It's just it's it's a phenomenon and in it's kind of like in it's like normalized. It's like yeah but did you hear the question. And it's just like God I mean you know. And then the same people who would condemn the way. Nick Sabin or Bill Belichick handle question love when Donald Trump talks down to reporters very fascinating fascinating standard. That each held to I digress. The my main issue isn't the condescension. It's just being dishonest. That's it be the same thing If it were coming from somebody on the left it's just it's just spewing dishonesty and now if you WanNa talk about like the size of the crowd at the impeachment. It's kind of like okay. Whatever it's Joe I mean. It's it's not a joke but it's just it's it's harmless and boy. Did it set a tone right out of the gate on day. One of what this was going to be like But it's benign. You know this is different. This can impact people's health and you know for those who listened to it and believe it it then leads to where we are now a month plus later of people disputing things that are actually truths and that I think is why I'm just out on on on the topic On the radio show not on the PODCAST. As far as where I am now. I don't watch it when I was watching it then when I after. I initially notice what he was doing. Each day I would mute it and then when foul cheesy burks Mike Pence The Surgeon General Drome atoms whomever. We'll talk then. I then I turn the volume back on and I would go back if I didn't turn the volume on right at the exact time to hear the beginning of their answer and for the record. Mike Pence is Is a Republican You know So this isn't like oh it's Donald Trump. He's Republican I tune them out and I feel like I'm like fighting these like shadow people who aren't necessarily the people I even care to listen to the show who see it's all because he's a Republican. It's not it's because it's him has nothing to do with the Republican thing. Hell Lot of policies actually would be more democratic. I think by definition. But we're so fucking past that that we're not even talking about it anymore. It's pro-trump anti-trump. It's not even discussing well. That's pretty democratic policy So it's just I just I tune I mean the answer is I tune it out tune it out because like angers me to tune it out because it's just it's it's just it's it's theater kind of what we're talking about clay travis last week so like okay. I get what he's doing. It's not my thing that's obviously a porch. I think I think there's ven diagram there Certainly of the two audiences and you know it's it's unfortunate that we're at this point and hopefully we won't be at this point forever but that's where we are. Tune it out Mike Mike Pence. Here's a question for you gangster. Because I've been I've been watching him way more so over the last month and a half two months than ever before and I was trying to think who he reminded me of and I finally reached the conclusion on I think it was because he was on both meet the press on Fox News Sunday And it's a politician so this isn't like a football coach would be in the same arena a politician in our lifetimes and I'm curious if if you watch him speak talk and his mannerisms if if you pick up the same thing as I do first off I will ask before giving you who. I have decided. He reminds me of. Is there any politician? Who Mike Pence reminds? You of gangster. Pete not off the top of my head. No Bill Clinton really. I couldn't figure it out but I used to watch Bill Clinton in the nineteen nineties. Go God this guy so obviously full of shit but unlike trump where it's like people just okay. This is just like what you know. It's a different kind of full of Shit Like I think he actually believes. I think that's what's going on there. I don't know I mean it's certainly a study to be done for decades out from now Penson Clinton I don't know I I see a similarity there and I'm not talking because then it's like you know because I I can't imagine there are people in the audience who are big fans of both. You know like you're not you can't really a big Bill Clinton Fan and a big Mike Pence Fan. I don't think I would imagine there are people who are certainly not fans of either certainly more so than there are people who are big fans of both but it's it's mannerism and it's just like it kind of takes you back to the way people used of you politicians as being full of Shit but benignly full of Shit and by that I mean it was bullshit but you knew it was bullshit and they knew it was bullshit and you knew that they had to go behind closed doors and do whatever they needed to do in order to you know. Keep the trains running on time so to speak and it didn't matter who it was you knew it was bullshit. You know maybe. Jfk inspired people to believe it wasn't bullshit or Barack Obama inspired people to believe. It wasn't Bullshit Ron. Reagan inspired people to believe. It wasn't bullshit. I don't really know that. Jimmy Carter George W. Bush did that but but at least you were kind of just like yeah you know and now that I found out. Jfk was this and that and this and that now that I found out you know. Take your pack. But that's what that's what reminds me of with with pets which is actually in a sense to compare it to what's going on now refreshing not necessarily in a great way just eight change from what this is now and then the second question was or wasn't it was an observation regarding some people might say that the reporters are asking Let's see I WANNA make sure I get it right Do you feel these are more helpful due to service to the public? Good these trying times just some background earlier. This month I was furloughed. Major Saint Louis Company. I've been dealing with the stress of this quarantine and I feel like this. Press Conferences of in self serving cynical and dishonest. People will point the media's questions as harsh but these times I want to feel assured by the country's leader and don't feel that we are in these briefings I I don't know if I were in the White House. Press Room with this stuff going on I do. I really have no idea how to handle that. I've never you know I mean trying to think of anybody I've ever covered. There's just nothing like this From this guy's perspective if I was furloughed watching this this and trump is talking about how ratings or better than the bachelor I would be so pissed off. Yeah I mean there are people who I know who actually get really really. Oh Wow you there are people who angered by this fucking vapid statement. Of course there people angered by but people I know Who are close to me in my life who cannot handle it and it really angers them and can't keep it on and for me. It's like it's it's like I don't know what we were talking about back in March with this because you were like I don't like the pelotas eight politization of it politicization politization whatever fucking it up. I'm afraid to say it now. I know I really did a number on it and it's like yeah and I'm actually. They're like there will be time now. I hope all of the people saying now is not the time to litigate. What happened are in agreement that there will be a time because I have a feeling a number of those people will say whatever we got through it. Let's not go back to it. That's what I think is going to happen from. The people are saying now is not the time see I am saying now is not the time but you better fucking believe there will be a time to go back and research under oath what took place with this pandemic in January and February and March and the statements that are on the record. You love that Stan Kroenke Saint Louis deposition idea. I hope you'll love this one too because I think are a lot of similarities so I hope you enjoy both otherwise we're GONNA have again an interesting inconsistency with being mad at head coaches who are Dismissive of the media but support of the president. When he's dismissive of the media again. I'M GONNA have to point that out so I hope we're on the same page on that you want discovery. Let's get discovery but in the midst of an economic and health crisis I to agree that sitting here and bitching about take your pick of whatever political leader is. This is what's going to happen. That's my that's what I always play that out what what's going to happen. Things will be removed from office. Think Nancy Pelosi is going to be removed from office. Whoever it is that is bothering you at this particular moment. It's just not going to happen so it's like you're barking at the moon. Nothing's going to take place so there. Of course we'll be a day of reckoning but my mindset now is not the time as far as if. I were in the White House. Press Corps You know what is being pro? I mean God I mean I watched it when I would watch it and it will. He would get so mad at the questions and it'd be like that question was so harmless you know it's just it's something else and you know what the thing is as. I'm saying this I've been at this. I would imagine the people who love him have already bailed on. It are already constructing their fuck you emails to but there are a number of people. I'm like close with WHO and I'm not not not necessarily family members per se Not necessarily see the point where they'd be like defiant on it but like friends who I know here this and disco. Yeah you just don't get it. I'm just like man I it's like you know he's not telling the truth like you know it you know he's not and I just can't get past that this guy could be pro poker pro lesbianism pro foursomes you know. Throw whatever shit that I like. You know pro agnostic schism you know whatever whatever it is and I'd be like like fucking lying so I don't I don't care if he lines up with the shit that I like. It doesn't matter to me. That's the most important thing and also when he is by himself and has to make a decision. Do I believe he's going to make a decision that is in his best interest or in the best interests of the country? And it's not even a fucking. There's not a second that goes by before I have the answer to that question and I would think most of you were there with me too. And that's what I'm looking for in a leader not just a president but a leader in a business so if now just because that's my definition it doesn't mean your definition Pitas we've said both our moms pro-life through and through so for them and I've never had the conversation with my mom about this because I'd be really curious but I mean I do tell. The story of there was one day when we were all living in the same under the same roof in Hilton head last year. Feel like I talked about this a few weeks ago and it was just me and my mom and dad and in the living room watching the Sunday morning shows and they just started talking about shit. I don't even remember how to do with Probably the Miller report and I was like. Oh my God holy things that they're saying and I'm not gonNA argue with them just going to just you know Mike. You wouldn't even notice. It was a very organic. Get up and leave it. What's it like a huffing and puffing it up and like shit you know but I sit there and I think if Donald Trump or pro-choice. I don't think that would be the conversation they're having. It's that simple. Which to me is fucking weird but you know what if you view abortion through the Lens my parents view in particular? My mom views it through. I gotta say. I don't blame her. Because of your viewing that is the murderer of millions of babies. I get it. I don't see it that way but if you do view it that way and this gentleman whether you like him or dislike him is going to side on that side of the issue. Well I have to tell you I get it and I guess that's where I differ from. Some people are like. Oh I've I've been loving your anti-trump take for the last fifteen minutes. I feel like I've been wanting you to say this on the radio for the last four years. Now you're finally doing it and you just fucking loss me here. I don't know what to tell you. It's just I I got it and also get people voting for him in two thousand sixteen and don't go your bunch of bigots. I don't see it that way. I totally get not voting. For Hillary Clinton I voted for Hillary Clinton and I used to say on the radio and to my friends. I can't imagine a circumstance which I would ever vote for Hillary Clinton. I mean I really I mean there's an ensure enough only shit donald trump's president so I'm voting for Hillary Clinton so I say I can't imagine a circumstance in which I would ever vote for Donald Trump and I really can't imagine a circumstance in which I would ever vote for Donald Trump but shit I used to say I can't imagine a circumstance. Where would ever vote for? Hillary Clinton and there. I am vote for Hillary Clinton and it wasn't in by the way it wasn't even a sweat. It was a very easy decision. I was shocked that it came to that point. So when I'm sitting there and watching these press briefings initially now like I said I don't even worry about it and I see people tweeting about him. Like what are you surprised at got weird today? What did you think you that Reagan was gonNA walk out today? The Autobahn was gonNA walk out today. Fdr was going to show up with a plan. I mean this is what it is. So it's like hate listening to the radio show. What did you think you were? GonNa get like a breakdown a high school basketball. This is what we do. It's what he does so that's why I don't. I'm not upset about it anymore. It's what he does. I liked him fired. Not or how bad? Tma Out. That's why. That's why I was somebody who say oh. I did when I was waiting in line. You've gone to Max Right Dexter Sunday all right. I was there Saturday. Jameson down there. Because I know that he while we wait and it was only forty minutes by the way I know that he'll sleep which he just doesn't take naps. I know that will sleep. And I'm like oh I got some time I'll do like a Q. And A. on the fan page and add some wonderful questions and there was somebody I somehow came up out the podcast and I see I I I love doing q fta so much. I think about doing it. You know more times a week because I just love to be able to be s and I enjoy and I and I didn't gangster Pete. Having you on thing makes it better so I enjoy. It's therapeutic for me but I'm able to talk about the things that I'm really interested in without like having to like look down at the text. Inbox like personally attacking me and my family or you know or or mid thought and all of a sudden three people were talking. It's just it's a it's a refreshing thing and I feel better all right. I got two more emails and And then I will have emptied The emails for Q FTA Good Morning Tim. is a good one and this was sent in Almost two weeks ago I just found out that Joe Buck is doing a new podcast with someone named Oliver Hudson. Have you listened to this yet? I listened to him talk about it with him. Oliver Hudson on. Pardon my take okay. I listened to their first episode when it was just the two of them and they've had Bill Simmons Mark Cuban and Alex Rodriguez Illinois Oh absolutely I have not listened to any of those Let's see and it made me think of salary. I just found out the Joe Bucks doing a new podcast for so many Alvan Hudson and it may be that we in two thousand twelve. I think that was the year you are correct. That's very nice. I always like a good year. Accurate reference when you and heated like five podcast. The guests that you guys were able to get were incredible and I enjoyed every second of it. What happened there. Was it too much time for him to pursue any longer with all the changes to podcasts slash slash technology. Since then I would think it would be easier to pull off especially remotely in two thousand twenty any chance. You guys could do something like that again. Thanks Kyle Oakville all wonderful questions. All with easy answers. None of which I think is Is letting anything out of the room? So Oliver Hudson to start with is the brother of Kate Hudson And so they share Both the same mother and father in the also were raised by Kurt. Russell Goldie who's been with has been with forever but they've never been married and Oliver Hudson. I actually knew our Hudson. Not as the actor but he lost on the very first hand of like the to. Do you know what I'm talking about. What this pedia the world poker. Yes always shed. I figured you would know about this He lost in the very first hand of the world series of poker main event. Sam Farr Ha the guy that would always keep on with cigarette in his. I think he's still playing And I don't I don't know what the I think it was. Maybe a one full house over another full house or quads over a full house. I ought to go back and look at the head. I've seen it and I always remember thinking. That's gotta be the worst fucking thing ever That's back in my poker days now. Wouldn't have the same emotion But that's how I knew that. And he's he's been he's been on a number of shows and I also knew that There is a place. I don't think I'm saying anything. That's really cutting edge here because it's celebrity say. This isn't like little secret conclave in Saint Louis because Oliver Hudson. I believe it was in. La Kabo were number people go some of whom you would know from Saint Louis. I'm not talking about old money families. I'm talking about like celebrity. Pay Families Go down and And and it's like Joe. I don't know if JOE's talked about it on the podcast or not but I mean you name it as far as a-list goes they're they're it's it's like to hear. Joe Talk about it and he's not talking about it as a brag. I mean it's just bullshitting but it's like I hit my ball. Left and George Strait was in his backyard. Cutting the grass you know. And then it's like F- alive as a member there and he kind of pissed people off because he walked out on the range talking about one to play one hundred thousand dollars a hole and he was kind of doing it to be. You know look at me but you know everybody there they all have that money and it was just. Kinda like a turn off you know which of course something. There's no way anybody listening to this. Has that kind of money. So this of course is a foreign concept to play for one hundred thousand dollars a hold of anybody listening to this program. Hell dollars a whole before in concept to me Much less one hundred thousand dollars so You know in in DiCaprio and Anniston and so on and so forth so I think there is like a two man tournament and I think Joe and Oliver Bonded over that they played together. This is years ago. I think they want it and and they've become good friends ever since. So that's the background on who? I'll hudson is how they have the relationship and it made me think that we two thousand twelve. That's when Joe and I were doing podcasts. The backstory on that and this is this is. I have to tip my cap to producer. Joe You you and producer Joe Gangster. Pete have this in common Joe came up with this idea. I think this is right around the time when Joe was like I gotta get Outta Radio. He wound up leaving in February or March of thirteen. But we JOE HAD THIS IDEA. I gotTa give him the credit as a producer. Joe Buck of doing a podcast and in two thousand twelve while. This might not might seem weird because it was only eight years ago. There were podcasts. But they weren't nearly as I mean. The market wasn't nearly as saturated as now and there were a handful and they're only a couple you could point to as being really successful and I remember the one that we were talking about. Was Adam Corollas And that when we actually had their Media Kit and What producer Joe's idea was and now with eight years or move? This certainly wouldn't be a big deal and it might not have worked then Because as I'll get to everything always comes down to money and time being worth money which is essentially what matters here for Joe Buck and what is worth it to him is different than what it is worth to me and what it is to producer. Joe You know. Man makes millions of dollars a year You know so. Therefore he's going to need to make a hell of a lot more for it to be worth it to him than than for me or for producer Joe but Joe had this idea where we would do. I think a daily podcast and interview. Peter King I remember. It was one of the names. I can't remember who the NHL person was and like go around the leagues and pay these people a good amount of money. Good amount of money not like one hundred dollars an appearance which is also nice too but I mean this is this has been like a salary not six figures either but but certainly material dollars and you know what the what they would have to do is tweet out the lake which now would absolutely network in two thousand twelve. It might not have worked but now people be like fuck you your tweet junk all the time. You know what I mean like. It just wouldn't play well then it that that wasn't the mindset and that's what the terms would be. You have to be on for like ten minutes with US and have to tweet out the link. And that's that's an that's what we're GONNA do. And so we were meeting with people about investing and our meeting with Kyle. Loesch who producer Joe had a friendship with and you know I realize now. He's a retired Major League pitcher but manmade shit might make might abate nine figures I don't know what do you think Kylo? Shes is really good for a while too and he he was cashing in so I don't know if he would have gotten the nine figures I duNno. It's going to be interesting. I'm GONNA TAKE THE ANDRADE. One hundred million just at thirty eight eighty nine million. We're looking at different. How about that? Isn't that just sick? Not Thirty eight network or what? They made playing what he made play. Okay because I mean starting in twenty eleven pitched through twenty fifteen or he's under contract through twenty fifteen. He was making eight figures. So that's where it piled up but even in two thousand ten with the cardinals. He made nine point one and two thousand nine seven point four two thousand eight four point two five so anyway he Eighty nine million dollars so I mean him him floating US whatever it was going to be. A few hundred thousand dollars was going to be a nothing so we met with him. It was shock and then Joe Buck and we we all each relationship or you know report at the very least with each one and Joe was really all a ball. Everybody was interested and You know but you also know probably could shock and Joe more so than Loesch at the time you get hit up with ideas and it's just it's it's you know. I mean it's kind of it's kind of the cost of being in that position And it's an it's an awkward spots. Usually have somebody kind of feel that. And then if you're still interested it's recommended to you then maybe take a meeting but since you know we had a report. They took the meeting and they knew it wasn't going to be like. Hey we need you know three million dollars to get this thing going so in the conversation with Joe it became. Well what if I came on and then it's like well this just totally change if you're going to be on it and he's like well. Yeah I mean I can do it. Why would I do it if it's going to help it? Why wouldn't I do it? I'm like well I mean if you're going to do it then now we're talking about a totally different thing. And he goes. Yeah and then it kept going and I think we met with Joe. Okay so if we were if we did it we did it. I think in March of twelve and we met with him and remember. He had the FEU vocal cord issue during the two thousand eleven world series. So it had to be in between and that's when Joe and I went to La to meet with His agent and also New York. I think New York was first than La. It was like the two of three weekends and it was it was you know and I told the story. Just 'cause I thought it was an interesting story and it just and people hate it on it not not a bunch. It's one of those things were collect. Two people did and it stands out to me. But they're like all your bragging and I'm like no I don't own the private jet you know. It's not my private jet. I am one hundred percent coattails but I would figure people would find these stories amusing. You know I D. I didn't accomplish anything here. You know I'm I'm I have a rapport with Joe Buck and that has led to me. You know I'm I'm fucking Johnny drama. I didn't do anything you know. Just close to the guy who's the guy but it led to us to to when we went to New York and he was calling. The Giants Falcons playoff game and and having dinner with him and Troy Aikman In kind of surreal thing And then being in the box while they're calling the game and Paul who's friends with was in there and That you know I mean th th. This isn't a brag. It's just people are taking it that way it. But it's that's what we did but it's not like yes. I accomplished this much and then Paul Rudd was hanging out with me. It was joe was curious about how to structure this thing and he had an agent. New York had an agent in La. Thank you probably still does. And he wanted to meet with them both and then the it got into a weird spot because Aikman was going to be one of our guys and so he wanted us to talk with troy about it and I'm just excited Troy Aikman. I mean when you be excited me trae. C'mon BOOM. Yeah so we're walking Joe Always stays the same hotel in New York City and An- Anna Marie. And I were standing a different one in lower Manhattan and we meet at Joe's hotel and then Go over to a place place. I used to love used to be at the Palazzo. does casinos Mexican place in New York City. And I'm like this is fucking nuts. I'm sitting at a table like just for like drinks before we go to dinner with Joe. Buck his agent and Troy Aikman and and Chris Myers And I'm just like you know. It's not a brag because I'm made if it is if it's coming off it is I can't control it but I'm off the situation. So people lookit like what we do on teaming man. That's super cool it. You can't imagine what it'd be like to be around you guys out and it's not exciting and I'm sure those guys like it's not exciting. We were sitting there. None of them would ever remember this Because it's what they do but I'm like Holy Shit I'm sitting here with in particular Troy Aikman and then Joe brings it up Chris in the agenor meyers or the agent or different conversations. Now it's me Joe and Aikman having this conversation about this vision and I think aikman views me as a the business guy and he's going to dig in on What he wants for it and and Desai. Kinda stare me down to my holy Shit. How does this this happen? Because we're talking about doing it. Troy says he'd be interested in doing it and then he looks at me in dislike stairs through my soul like Phil. Ivey trying to pick up a read situation and he goes. I wouldn't do it for anything less than he gives us a number and I'm like okay. It sounds good. I don't know to tell you I'm not really the guy with that much. I think he was looking at me. Is like an agent guy or the guy with the idea and now he's negotiating and Joe is his pitching the idea to him and troy mistook me for being. You know whatever money guy involved with it which up at no surprise here. I'm not I wasn't then I'm not now and And and I once he realized that wasn't the case. Then we wound up. We want to go to dinner bullshitting about it Was dinner with the whole Fox crew. Like God I would say there are thirty people table and I happened to be seated with a cross from Joe and troy and Joe was raving about. Tma how he loved the show. And that's troy started talking about and I think he's an owner in the ticket in Dallas which is a really successful sports. Talk Radio Station and apparently in because Joe is going the best part about their shows. They really never talk sports. And that's when troy goes. Yeah he goes. I think he goes I either. I'm on with the ticket or I own part of the ticket in Dallas. And when I go on we hardly ever talk sports. And that's what they do. And that's that's the secret to the whole thing is that that is bullshit. Guys are funny in the audience. Likes IT AND JOE GOES OUT? That's exactly what you guys have going on so it was cool. Surreal thing I don't think that Troy Aikman would remember one second of it even if you would incentivize them with ten million dollars But for me it was a cool thing and then a couple of weeks later went to Los Angeles but we stopped in Palm Springs. Joe Had MC something for a night and then flew to Santa Monica which is when for golf fans in what is something that because I was kind of out of the golf thing at that time and I didn't realize it was that big of a deal. Even though I knew who he was they got done playing this charity tournament at the Madison Club. Which is look that one up in another world just opened. I think And and the way these people operators they like how you would say can I bum a ride to the TMA live? It's hey can I catch a ride with you? Where are you going on your jet? It's just a different world and so Anthony Kim who is like disappeared from the Gulf world. We're sitting there Mehan Annemarie weightings. Joe Played in the event. And I'm just sitting there waiting. Probably look like total hoodlum. It's something that's like a castle much less the golf course. Glenn Fry was hit. Just got done playing. And he's sitting fucking the hell. Am I doing there and Anthony Kim POPs up because hey Jacob can catch a ride with you l. and so it winds up being me. Joe Blocked my wife and Anthony Kim on this you know. I don't even know what it is. Maybe forty minute flight from Palm Springs to Los Angeles Santa Monica Airport Anthony Kim's telling these just ridiculous gambling stories. I mean asinine gambling so when people go what happened to Anthony Cam. I'm like well. I actually was with him. Didn't realize I didn't realize I was like on a plane with the golf equivalent of sasquatch. And and I can tell you. It seems like he has a gambling issue so I don't know if that has tied into why he hasn't gotten back in a professional golf people always theorize that it has something to do with this insurance policy so we meet with Joe's agent I think the next morning yeah and and discuss and we were all ready to go and do a show and Joe wanted to test it out and we did it on caffeine us and caffeine us you can imagine was thrilled. Joe Buck hosting a show for five days and we had Wayne Gretzky. We'd Alex Rodriguez. We had Jon Hamm and we add Paul Rudd we had Aikman And it was an and you only had five days and it was a two hour show so like there'd be a guest day where it was Wayne. Gretzky Alex Rodriguez in Jon. Hamm like in a matter of ninety minutes on. I mean it's it was it was insanity and it of course was well received. How could it be in and I had nothing to do with me? Joke could have been there with a cardboard cutout. It did matter I had not that this is this is groundbreaking shit. It was all him and he was able to text him but he was coming off that. Hbo thing that did not go. Well the already Lang debacle and while that was one issue the bigger issue that Joe had with it and I think he wrote about this in his book so I don't think I'm saying anything out of school was that he would somehow be responsible for getting the guests to fly up to To New York and would like to get people to like get booked. Flights for these people like with far of lineup from Mississippi to do the show and so on and so forth. And he's just like I don't want to go through that again and I'm like but that was when you had to have him flight at work to be on the show in this case you could tax them and say hey. Do you have twenty minutes? And then they'll be on the show and so he experienced that he saw what happened and I laid out a business model once we did. I said man you know I know what you kind of need to make. He had told me what he needs to make. I assure you as you might imagine. It's more than anybody in Saint Louis. Radio is making but it was not going to be limited to Saint Louis. Radio is going to be a podcast and it's a shame it didn't wind up happening but the reason it didn't of course to shame but here's why it did wind up happening. He had just started up with his now. Wife Michelle Shell buys new at the time. Michelle visner Bucknell. And they didn't live they both did live in Saint. Louis we spent a Lotta time flying back and forth his daughters. Who are now one is in college and one is out of college and now like television and doing stuff on SNL. And I mean just incredibly accomplished You know he had two daughters fresh off worse so you know. Spending time with them was the utmost importance and then the thing that I think probably blew it up more than anything else was. F S. One was coming into play. It was about to debut and when we were first talking about it in twenty eleven slash twenty twelve that wasn't on the horizon and then it started coming into play and do you remember the rollout of F s one gangster. Pete Yeah vaguely I mean they had. They brought them the two guys from Canada who are ridiculously popular in Canada. Dan J I think maybe sportscenter And it just bombed absolutely wasn't good. I remember that. Yeah I mean those guys regards and Canada And it just didn't translate and then they then they would have God who was. It was like Gary Payton Andy Roddick Donovan mcnabb. Like in their own little area and Dan and Jay would throw them like get their takes on the big stories of the day and it's kind of like they try to make it work with names but you know Charles Barkley's a name Charles Barkley's talent kilo neal's a name kill Neal's a talent and Kenny. The jet is a name but Kenny. The jets tout. But here's the difference. It's not just the talent. It's the chemistry. Those guys have along with thirty Johnson. That makes the thing work. You know Terry Bradshaw's named Jimmy Johnson's name stray ends and aim how he longs the name. But it's the chemistry. Those guys have the that? Make that thing works. You can't just throw big names in and just expect to have that magic recreated and it just was a disaster plus they had a bunch of other shows Regis Philbin was hosting something and I think Joe Thought he was going to be involved with that and I think he was in a contract renegotiation and he was a tough spot because Dan Caesar was calling me asking if we were going to do it. And I go on the record and I go to Joe I said. Hey Caesar's writing about he's asking. If this thing is going to happen he goes. Yeah you can tell we're going to do it. And I'm like sweet and it wasn't even like Oh shit that's great to hear. It was like. Yeah we knew we were going to do it. And then you know two months later in. May of two thousand twelve He's like I just can't do it because I got too much on my plate. I'm going back and forth to see Michelle. She's coming back and forth if my daughter's And then I think I'm going to be doing something to show on. F S One. I just can't possibly at another thing to my play plus also once. You know. I'm still doing doing Saturday baseball than October. You know Sunday rolls around and NFL. Around Sundays. It just it just it just it fell off and and I guess the only thing my disappointment you know. Certainly I would've loved to have done. The show goes without saying but But I mean I get that. That's not even there's not like got damaged at all because I totally get. How can you get it? The only the only thing and it's like the most minor thing of all that I don't like about it or that I regret about it. I guess is that I'm on the record publicly saying it's going to happen and then it didn't happen but I only said that after texting Joe to say all right. Dan's asking me and I'm in hindsight annoyed. Dan was asking me because he always talks. Joe Obviously and writes about him You know what is the plan and I think it was something that is going to happen. We just don't know the date or something along those lines and you know I mean it is a huge deal. Now I mean Shit. It's been eight years but It's you know I don't like going on the record and saying something's going to happen and not wind happening but that's how it all came to pass. Oh Joe doing a podcast. Now I don't go got damage. Oliver Hudson you replaced me. I didn't even think about it even cross my mind Until reading this email and I'm like Oh yeah yeah and I probably never told the story as to why it didn't happen and and I guess if I did without being asked about it it might come off as like I matt. Joe And it's the firming shit. Show is on this podcast. How many times he's been on this podcast? Joe's hosted Did A Q. and A. With me at the Improv Shop We've all hung out memory and Michelle and myself and Joe before so you know it's not like there's this bitterness over this two thousand twelve podcast didn't happen not that the author of the email is saying that there was but Just to to give the backstory on it and honestly I don't know how it would have really played out because Joe Joke I mean guy it was it. It's he came up to I was having dinner with Annemarie and her parents for her mom's birthday. Yeah her mom's birthday in November. Twenty twelve yes okay. We must have talked about it. God November twenty eleven. So man we must have talked about this right after the world series. I don't know what the hell happened. Had to be around December It all tied in with Michelle. The first time he ever saw his wife and he writes about this in his book because he talks about it in the book I was aware of. It was as we were walking out of at the time. What was Sports Authority field? It's now I have no idea. But it's worth broncos play and And it was okay. So that was twenty two. That was two thousand twelve. Right that makes sense that was twenty twelve with Me Ameri Aikman yet again. And they had just called the submission game between the broncos the forty niners in August And we were going from Denver to Las Vegas just to hang out. This was kind of more just to hang out thing. This wasn't a business thing and it was supposed to be a business thing and something fell through and he's like well if you guys don't want to come you can still come like sure absolutely and the first time he saw. Michelle was In the walkways. You're walking either onto the field at the broncos stadium or a car out of. The stadium was the first time that he saw any writes about it. And he didn't say anything At that time but he mentioned that he mentioned that specific thing. Like I was walking with you. And didn't you know important? You know what I see but That that that night you know he just he was just fell in love and God bless they've been together now for eight years and have two together and all of that was coinciding with the timing of Doing doing it. And and so twenty. Twenty eleven two thousand twelve was when we talked about doing the podcast. We did the thing in April. I think twenty twelve I think I'm in the paper and look that up April or May of twenty twelve with a quote saying we're GonNa do it then. It fell through and then it somehow got back to it because we were together in. August of two thousand twelve and talking about it again in November twenty. Twelve's I wonder what happened there. Something I don't know the timing doesn't make sense but I know that had to be was right after my cancer scare and I know that was November twenty twelve so the stuff went on for a while and it just didn't wind up happening but playing it out knowing the dollars involved and he came up that night. We were Jimmy's on the park. Remember that place. Every therapy can stuff great stuff no longer with us in demand and Joe came up and he was going to meet Machel and And that like a date thing she was in town was rams game and I think she was doing sidelines or something. I don't know she was in town for that and And he was just going to like show around. It was on the date. It was in a one on one thing. But he's really nervous about it and so he came up to get a drink and so we had a drink at the bar before we went into have Not Joe having dinner with the family but before I went and have dinner with his family. My Wife's family and And Bullshit about this. I remember specifically saying listen goes. This isn't a brag. This isn't to pop up in you know. Take your pick of whatever publication. It's to lay out my situation and therefore how much and I'm going to be debate in order for in order for it to to work at. He told me the number Which you know I think people can be sure you could probably look it up yourself. Although I don't know if it's written about when it comes to people salary I never know how these fucking things out either by the way people's salaries But anyway whatever and he goes so therefore. If I'M GONNA do this it's going to need to somehow be able to pay this and I go okay. I get it think we can do that. I really do because we're not just going to do it in Saint Louis But then as it wound up playing out you know maybe maybe it was two thousand thirteen. Where where the Fox sports one thing happened in two thousand twelve? Somehow it didn't happen for different reason. I don't know but I know that we did it. In Two thousand twelve and I know that we wound up getting back together a couple of different times in August two twelve in November of twelve. And I know that it was in November. Twelve is when he told me that Jimmy's on the park what he Made and what? He was doing our thing in order to do it. So it must've ca so. I don't know the details on why what was going on then but I know it all started up. Four sure in January of two thousand twelve being on those those trips just because I remember it being surreal to be around in La at the at the the golf tournament thing. It was as I said it was. Glenn Fried doing a private concert for like two hundred people Sitting in a table with Pat Perez. The Golfer The next to me was Tony Robbins. Mary Hart and John Elway at a table at the Madison Club. The Madison Club. I'm looking at that right now. It is It's Mickelson goes plays during the winter. It's just throw a thing where this isn't you know and I don't know I I hope people can. I mean if they can't they can't they already don't like anyway but it can tell the difference between a brag and this and I don't really know how I just know that it's not a break so it's not like I'm like yes. I bought a table for me and Annemarie to have dinner at the Madison Club for this charity event. Joe Buck emceed in Glen Fry. The late Glenn Fry played a private concert at. You know that wasn't it. It was like we like once every six months or so. Somehow it'll come up and she'll God I can't believe we went in her big thing. I can't believe we went to that isn't I can't believe we were there. It was I was wearing jeans like a gray J. crew t shirt with the neck like just all bent out of shape and my green cardinal cap that is just ripped up like ninety stone. Her annemarie God bless her. She's you know she's GonNa Look Nice. You know no matter. What but still. She's with me so that that hurts her stock and we weren't dressed appropriately but show. We honestly thought it was for Ben Crane. Who at the time was on tour? I don't think he's on tour anymore. Joe Just had. Mc It for this this charity thing. And I remember I remember Stewart cink being like at a table nearby not that. He's you know tiger or anything like that. Who knows who was really there. I mean I remember the people around me and I remember being introduced to Pat Perez but I was so not into golf at the time. I disc- couldn't I was just like Oh cool and Joe's like he's the most amusing guy on tour and I'm like about he ever heard of 'em's got long hair would have thought I. Would you know. I'm just like whatever I remember sitting at the table and being amusing. But then you know so. That's at night. I think that was a Sunday night at the golf term was on Monday and again. I'm totally not into golf at the time. I mean I'm like I like I like I'm supposed to play an hour and ten minutes and I played yesterday and I can't wait to do it and it's important to me and to think that I was at Madison Club and I couldn't have cared any less than I was on a private jet with Anthony. Kim and I couldn't have cared any less. It's just a weird thing but that's where I was in this was eight years ago and I in we look back on it and we're in. Joe Is being kind of how he is. He just doesn't really get worked up about shit he's shown as is is that. I remember thinking ability to MC. So naturally funny. It's not like this thing that I I don't go to the Saint Louis events they may be fucking cringe and I love that. I'm not asked to be at them because I don't know how I'd get out of it. but because. I just couldn't do. I couldn't see him. Because it's just that but joe in southern. California setting could be you know kind of whatever off color and it's welcomed and And I just remember him saying Yeah. I got this thing to come in just like I don't know how you know. Kinda tired but because we had no idea what it was and we wind up going and I think it was once we saw like these tents and the it's some point like how nice it was having no idea no idea if you went to their website. You win a gun. I know I still haven't gone. I still have a guy I know. I know that it's all this thing. Discovery Properties Amari. I just I've been watching the videos on the on the website since you mentioned just over and over. It's just it's I can't even imagine I can't even imagine and it's so by the way I'll come full circle because it spicy. It's noon and I think we started talking ten twenty so I'm doing it to you again and teatime that's assuming Amr GonNa let me go do this back to back days and then I'm GonNa it's GonNa it's GonNa be a Jamison Day Where he comes out on the course and tortures the people. I'm playing with but fine. At least at least I get him out there with me but I swear to you gangster. I swear to you this is just like it's like it's like it's like Stephanos Amira Obscure Days of our lives for those of you. Who got it though? It's rewarding to you for the rest of you. You're like what the fuck is but it's constantly there I swear to you. What was I doing at Madison Club? The next day of the golf tournament when the eventually we'd be on the private jet with Anthony Kim and sitting on at the table with Glenn. Fry after he got done playing. I had to excuse myself to go down by the pool and talk to the owner of caffeine us about his continuing persistence of me. Buying Caffeine us. It was going on in January of two thousand twelve and by God here we are in April. Twenty twenty and Steffano. Damara will not go away. It's still going. That's what I was doing and and at the time I didn't think because I didn't know what Madison Club was. I think it had just opened up. I think I think that was the big deal. I mean residences on this place. There's residents that was imposed tab unreal. I I see there's a wedding. Sabah wonder what I wonder how much that that'll run to get married. You don't WanNa know at Madison. I wonder what the wonder. Wh- what the down stroke is to be a member Madison Club. I mean it was just I had no idea and I remember walking up and it became a thing. We but that's at such a credit to joe like like see like once a week. There's a threat on the fan page. I don't get why people hate Joe Buck and it's like ads because he calls national games and it's like the same thread every week and it's the same discussion over over again and it's like that's that and I get that and I don't play Joe Says Joe Talks about it a hell of a lot at this point that he's calling huge games and people are used to their local announcers and he's getting excited for the other team under the point of the opposition's fans or at their absolute low because something bad just happened to their team. It's all makes all the sense in the world when you lay it out that way and that's that but my experience with him is. Here's a guy who knows. Even though he's not saying it that this is going to be a cool thing and he knows that whether whether I'm from South Saint Louis which is kind of my go-to thing Or I or I still. I was a classmate of his at Indiana my CDs. It doesn't matter. You know the e you could. You could have gone to Indiana in you know Kelly business school and and you don't get a chance to watch Glenn FRY play a private concert for two hundred people and be around. Take your pick of these people at the Madison Club. You know so. He recognizes that. This is any once you know. He wants people to be able to experience it because he knows. And then there's a there's A. There's an awareness there without going. Hey here's what we have on tap for you tonight. I know you just flew private to southern to palm springs in January with me you know And and you know and I think that's the first time ever been on a private jet in my life and I know that Or maybe the second time because the previous one was two weeks earlier to New York with him. And I know that you know that this is. This is an incredible thing. So you know. Make sure that you bring nice clothes. Don't embarrass me. You're going to be sitting with me at this table and you know we're going to be sitting with. Pga Tour players and right to our left is going to be Mary. Hart and Tony Robbins and John. Elway and It just wasn't like that I mean it just wasn't like that because that's not who he is and I think it would have been because I think he gets so much of it from his dad and I don't think that's I know that's not who is dad. Was you know I mean unlimited amount but another but but I do have firsthand experiences with Jack Buck and and it's just these are traits that once once you're exposed to these traits traits that you and I pay can't possibly relate to 'cause we don't get to experience this kind of stuff you know we. I guess we get occasional tastes of it but not because of anything we've done but because of you know whatever relatives or friends or whatever the case might be. And that's the way that I think I would like to think. If I were in that position I would handle it. I wouldn't go listen. I know you're a shit bag so you're going to have to rent something to wear tonight because you're going to be around people with a combined. Twelve fifty billion dollars at this dinner. Don't embarrass me. It'd be like hey guys ought to come. I think you're going to have a good time. And that's how it was presented but because it was presented that way we show up and I'm wearing I probably have the same shit the same jeans I know I still have the green card bill cap too soon. Gray t shirt and they had this. The people there had to be like. Oh Joe Joe brought the poor family with him so nice if you're like an eccentric billionaire they'd roughly did this guy must be seth Macfarlane's mckernan. Oh it must be McFarland. I must have misunderstood. He's the eccentric rider with Seth Macfarlane on family. Guy That you're exactly right. That's probably what it was and I've talked. I've told the story before it was the same night I was around Massimo. Who initially tell the story it was. Oh the guy with the clothing line that you know people in South County war the nineties. You know that's that's that's that's what that's what people knew him for will now. They know him for the Laurie Law Fleas while he's the husband of Laurie Laughlin. And The you know the Child College bribe bribery scandal. You know and how they might do time. But we went to this after after the Ben. Crane event went to this bar. God I don't know so every whenever the power plays that drop. Isn't it Jon? Voight the Ray Donovan. Drop something called the Palm Springs. Jon Voight Palm Springs. The buggy Whip Palm Springs. Went home with a guy named Jose. That's I swear the place he went to. I thought it was called the Tack Room. I'M GONNA T- yeah. There is one okay. There's a tack Room Palm Springs. Okay it does exist so it's like okay just looked it up and he's typed it in. This is the first time I've done it since I was there. Indio California and even though it was in India California Rustic chic bar and grill So that's where we wound up going and we're with. I'm in a van with a guy not Jim Crane. But somebody WHO's an owner of the Houston Astros with Joe? With my wife with Tommy Armour. I'm not bullshitting you. I think Maasim. Oh and Tommy armour is trying to get everybody to view somebody because he doesn't have his own private jet. Okay this is I mean. This is so fucking. I realized that sounds weird but I remember it to get somebody to use their private jet to get on the jet to fly Vegas because it's not that far by private jet and he really wants to go to Las Vegas and the joker guarding Tommy Armor for golf fans is the metal spikes but for for those people it was at. Tommy always tries to get people to use their private jet. And it's just like this is so fucking foreign to me and we go to the tack room and there's some guy this guy. I don't know who he was but he had to money because that was well. I guess you could swim. I had to have money. I didn't and I don't and so I was. I was along for the ride. So maybe this guy did and he was talking to somebody and he was looking up and down and trying to figure out and I overheard him so it was kind of annoying. But it's not. This shit could happen if I were at you. Know Chipotle is next to the onny you it doesn't have to be the tack room in Palm Springs where people like. What the fuck is she doing with him? So that was the conversation and I overheard it and saying Tomasa Mo and then of course he makes his moving does the whole song and dance. And you know whatever so then we wind up the four of us in a conversation. And you know whatever it's it's it goes nowhere and then Ma Massimo and I wind up bullshitting Because I'm like yeah you know. I started inside his down. Of course you've heard of it. You're a member of Bel Air Country Club. Isn't everybody talking about girl next door of the year? And WHO'S GONNA win? You know so he's telling story and I have no idea who the fuck he is and and I you know. And he's he's not like a these-these not a big guy. I think we're probably comparable in size. Might even less than me. He's a smallish guy and and you know everybody knew him and his bullshit standing at the bar here. It's whatever one in the morning and just bullshit on a Sunday night. Having drinks gives a shit at he's telling a story and I'm asking questions and you tell stories. And then he goes then I sold it you know or know. What the Hell was that? You Watch full House and I said of course. I watched full House and he goes. Yeah well aunt. What was her name? Becky Aunt Beck. Thank you phone becky. I'm I'm married aunt Becky Lori Law Phones. My Wife. Like what the okay. We're like what the fuck just happened here. The only reason I was talking to you. Because your buddy he was trying to make a move on my wife and and then it wound up being an amusing conversation. And I'm like okay. What the Fox you know. And and then he then he then we just. I'm like Oh my God because he i think he just start. I think Moscow's line started by putting clothes designing on on Iraq outside of like this little thing in the garment district in New York City and the winds up selling it and think think that target for like was it for like I don't know tens of millions at least I don't WanNa say hundreds of millions and be wrong but it certainly obviously shitload of money and and I just. I love that story because it speaks to everyone who ever starts a business whether it be something that they started went absolutely nowhere and was a boss or it started with putting clothes out on a rack in the garment district in Manhattan and selling it for. Let's call it one hundred million to target. Who fucking knows that? Everybody's story and everybody at some point had to make the decision to bet on themselves and it doesn't matter if you were doing it and doing a hundred million capital raise or doing it and taking the five hundred dollars you have to your name or the thousand dollars you got a loan from your parents for whatever it was everybody's got the story and remembers the moments and that's the thing about his story. It wasn't it didn't like rush up to the I sold at target. For one hundred million dollars it was like the the menial shit along the way and it was just. It's always stands out to me. And how how kind he was on top of it and you're in there weren't pete when we. Yeah you definitely want women when we interviewed Kelly after the Blues won the Cup and chases been on the podcast a few times and I don't even know how the hell it came up but we were talking about so madison clubs one of these discovery properties. At least it used to be. I assume it's still is and that's why when you hear people going up to Idaho Gaza Idaho is discovery property. So you know like Gretzky goes there. I guess this troubadour thing in Nashville never to see another discovery property. That's what chases working on El Dorado and Kabo. That's a discovery property. So this is this. This is where these a list people. And it's it's a blessing. I mean it is. It's not like you know attention to detail it's just it's it's another it's another it's like. I said I mean you throw the DiCaprio Clooney thing around it's like Aniston it's like okay. You get an idea where we are. It's like oh so there's George Strait who cares you know but I mean for country music fans. He's the King of country music and he's next door mowing grass. Like I said so with the the whole thing is is is is a surreal experience but when we were talking about that conversation and chase being involved with Discovery Properties Sagayev then they brought up meeting Mossel Megan's Yam by the way Maasim. He's getting a raw deal. That guy's the nicest guy I love the chase interview but I really didn't like as Moscow taking on like fuck the of all the things you're Kelly chase pulling to the side of the road. Right in front of the arch and Busch Stadium listening to the team. He played for and broadcast winning the Stanley Cup. Your takeaway was his opinion on Massimo Laurie Laughlin. I'm like how that I didn't even fucking remember it but that was that's the thing that stood out to you. Kelly chase bawling his eyes out with the Stanley Cup in Boston. After winning game seven. But it was the moss. Oh take that set you off and you couldn't go on any further as a super nice guy to yes. I mean I speak to two but those guys obviously the hell I was with them for a half hour. But I don't WanNa wind up happened with it. But the point being on anybody starts a business. And that's the highest Even if it fails because anybody who's ever done it knows you had to take a chance and you have to have some semblance of courage to take a chance and try to make your life better or your family's life better and there is no guarantee you're going to sell it to target from one hundred million dollars so your question. Whoever asked this about an hour ago about the Joe Buck and Oliver Hudson has led to an answer that I never ever thought would Take us down this road but if anybody ever asks what happened with my podcast with Joe Buck you will have a wealth of informational resources with this. Answer on this particular podcast. I said I was going to get to the last two emails and then I went on that for such a long time I think already answered this one though. That's what happens. I usually delete them after I answering that. I feel like I might not have Okay so I think this was about rehash. How are we going to religion? I really will miss my teatime. Hey Tim thanks for answering my question. I appreciate the honesty. I'm not Catholic but my wife is and we decided to raise our five kids. Holy Shit Catholic. God bless you sir. I was wondering about you because I know a lot of Catholics. Typically they were born into it and they stay at it Keep up the old school rap references. I always end up singing. The entire. Can't trust at Song when you get started doing that for this one person also as a Lindbergh graduate of ninety one. I love the Saint. Gabriel e mails. It brings me back to a less stressful time. Please tell ya boy to stuff with the mispronunciation of cheese. It literally makes me. WanNa jump through my phone. One more thing I apologize for the longevity of please hesitate to record every activity of your son the time flies by trust me peace that comes from Kevin Reese hence the reason for anger over there it is otherwise that was the monster non-sequitur So I guess that was in response to us. Talking about Religion and looking at the question hit Tim. I don't need anonymity but I chose to email you instead of posting on facebook because my questions personal. I won't blame you if you choose not answered religions. Come up a lot on the PODCAST and I'm wondering why you're agnostic after being raised Catholic. So obviously we spent some time on that and that is the follow up email from. Kevin Reese and I I hope people. I don't know if people are upset with. I don't know nobody really ever talks about it with me. I guess clear does a little bit here and there on the golf course. Cletus cleaness somebody. I would consider a friend. I think he's a wonderful person. I know you know impede. And the reason I'm using his name here is because I know a number of the people who listen to. Tma are familiar with him Because he's reference to the Very aggressively congratulated Golfer. Who a number of US play with. And he's the greatest guy but he's very eh but but I mean I I I really like when somebody has views that are so opposite of mine but yet it's like it's like not even a you don't even really think about it. You know and he he knows it and he no he's been doing this thing on the fan page and I I know when he does it he goes out and he plays golf and drinks a bunch of so many shit face and he makes these posts and then he goes. I'm just having fun but political posts and they troll. I'm like dude. Why do you do this and I don't? I don't I don't tax say dude. Stop doing this shit. He's an text me something about the cares act and how he got his. I don't know what it was something just talking about how great it was what trump had done and it just shows trump's doing is really working and he goes you mind if I post had nothing to do with trump. I just know over the last couple of weeks. You posted these things and it leads to all hell breaking loose. And I haven't said anything to you but since you're asking me no please don't just because it's going to create a whole bunch of Shit and the fan page has gotten. It's always had it's stuff but during the krona virus understandably people more on edge people got fan page. It's not the fucking fan page because everybody's fucking miserable you know whatever. Other fan pages are out there. I'm sure they're not really humming along right now either because everybody's miserable stuck at home or they're concerned about their jobs or their health so shit it stands to reason there's a cause and effect here but cletus very religious. At least I think is we don't really talk about all that much and it's not like I'm anti religion. I think there's a difference where I am versus where Bill Maher is any bill Maher Kinda shits on religious people and I just don't think that really does I don't think well that's just as bad as the people that try to push their personality. I really do pete and I I mean I know we've done this for two hours or whatever but I mean this is. This is my time to actually talk. Shows I'm going to take it That we talked a little bit about on on. Tma on Dan Crenshaw the representative from taxes. who's probably best known for Pete Davidson of Saturday night. Live making fun of his appearance with his eye patch and then coming on and saying hey you know what I know. Pete's getting a Lotta Shit but you know. Layoff such an anti cancel culture moment which Liberals and Conservatives gravitated to and and you know I don't know a whole lot about Dan crenshaw although you know outside of the kind of Wikipedia level knowledge of him my read on him as he's an incredibly honorable person and Somebody I am a fan of He happens to be Republican. Whatever don't fucking Care Brogan always he really last week gotta listen and so people were talking about not even realized because I I watched the segment twice where he was on with bill. Maher in the observation on the fan page was the segment really worked. Because there wasn't an audience which I couldn't agree with more did you see that segment by the way. What did you think of it? I thought good I mean I agree with the not. Having the audience there would be like ooh. Yeah exactly that that was. That was the key on that thing. I really feel that way and and so but but the thing that also was key is that crenshaw handled Mars questions so well that it actually. I didn't that people call it. Take Down Bill more. I think it was a take like that hake downs. This is such a just a jerk off thing God faulk. He wasn't overmatched. No Yeah no. He just what he did. It's like I talk. I think I've talked about in here. I know I've talked about it privately for sure. The the the handful of court cases I've dealt with my attorney just destroys people. But he does it so calmly that they don't even realized they are being destroyed and then once they finally realized they have just been destroyed. They start losing their shit. And it's an amazing thing to witness. It's beautiful to art and I'm sure it's not like I found the one attorney in the world who does but it's it's I it's I I also it. He said in that interview. Panic breeds panic. Calm breeds calm. And so when you've been in the positions representative crenshaw has been in navies Lucia. What's that navy seal? Yeah Bill Maher coming at you with pointed questions about why do you support Donald Trump which he made clear? He does not necessarily there. But he goes. Let's let's be fair. Let's contextualized this and pointed out some eye-opening things that would be. I think by definition in defense of president trump and his handling of the pandemic by doing that as opposed to shouting at Mar. He got his information out there and he made his point and he did disarm bill. Maher as opposed to what you would normally see on that show or you would have an audience's reaction again so there was an apples to apples because there was no audience but because also it was done calmly and and it was just. I mean it was more was in a space where he can. You know 'cause there on skype or whatever the fuck there on zoom that. He could do what he would. Normally it was just so and I just thought and I'm like I gotTa tell you something I mean there's nobody in the world who is ever going to be able to tell me that the way. Donald Trump handled this with his public. Statements was the way any other president in my lifetime. The ones I can remember. So we'll go Reagan onward would have handled it. Nothing nothing even close. I mean it just nothing even close nothing even close and I believe it played a role in exacerbating the problem however I have to say with what representative crenshaw said. It was I opening with some of the points. He was making that happen to be in defense of the president. Even though I get the sense that he's not really a big fan of the president's statements and press conferences and theatrics and so on and so forth but it was eye opening and he was able to get that information out there in a debate like format because of the way he handled it now. Also it was because it wasn't honest. Set where you would have had who's is but I think it speaks to the ability to try to remain calm as opposed to getting in a shouting match. We're now you're not now. You're not conscious of the the meat of what you're saying. You're conscious of trying to win the argument. Now shout the person who shouting at you and it becomes like Reptilian. And God. I'm telling you I you know what people have to listen to that Rogan podcast. Because my my intuition on crenshaw is that there's this thing right now where somebody makes a good speech or like what's going on with with Cuomo in New York. Wow I wish this guy. We're running back okay. I don't know he's. He's doing good press conferences. I guess but that doesn't mean as a president he had a shitty approval rating in New York before this so those people certainly knew something. The rest of the country in the other forty nine states weren't aware of so it's great press conferences doesn't mean that's a president and just because Anthony Fauci actually goes up there with scientific data. That doesn't mean he should be. There's this weird thing like He should be president. She should be president based on their one. Appearance is like there's more to it than that but my read on crenshaw is not only is he a leader but he's very knowledgeable and he's not looking to like light up other sides. He's just GONNA. This is the way it is. You might not like it but these are facts you might not like Donald Trump but he did shutdown travel from China and he was being attacked for doing so when he did it. So you might not like what he did and then this whole thing that there was nothing going on in. February. Because that's not true. Either there's things going on publicly February now. The problem with that is you had trump talking about how it was just like the flu. And it'll miraculously go away. Those statements don't go away but Crenshaw DID MORE TO HELP TRUMP. I think than trump is done to help trump with the sixty five percent of the country. Who Doesn't you know? Buy into that stuff so I don't know how did you. I came on Rogan's podcast. I haven't listened to it yet. It's from April Seventh Rogan's he's been pumping them out. Lately has catching up. I gotTA listen to it. I gotta listen to all right. We went more than two hours. But I don't even think I had anything today. Either we go. We went to our gangster. I always enjoy thinking of James. Carleton three or four nine. Six hundred forty eight hundred. Here's my insurance agent home auto life. James Carlton is the person to do business with James Carlton Online at Carlton. Insurance dot net. If your insurance costs a leg and an arm call James Carlton State Farm. And this is very important to note. This is very important to note. 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Starting 9 Episode 221 - Lance Lynn (and Bauer to Dodgers)

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Starting 9 Episode 221 - Lance Lynn (and Bauer to Dodgers)

"Hey buddies stephen chow. And i'm here to tell you that since. My buccaneers won the super bowl. We got a special sale going on at the parcel store. Get ten percent off tampa. Bay buccaneers super bowl merge with code. Hey buddy check out all the great. Tom brady and bucks merge or pick up a. Thank you steven chase shirt. While you're there at store dot barstool sports dot com. Welcome back to starting now. Doll showed to twenty one. We have lance lynn on the program today dallas lance lynn lance. Lynn mass equals guests. We'll get into that a little bit later because that philosophy it plays. It's real real real. Sec bath you about that. Yeah ask Who might have declined to come on the podcast. But i got a guy named rich harden not on the mass equals gas plan on the opposite side of that. He was wearing boots. Super shredded super ripped super-athlete Never super healthy reminds me somebody. Yeah well i mean my arm fell off kind of narcissistic that you would think that i was talking about you. Nothing i can do about it. I mean come on another way to describe me. Yeah well there are many ways there many. We don't have to get into that though lance lynn on the podcast later today. Are you one of those guys that once the super bowl ends. You're like it's baseball season like when when does baseball season starting your brain it so nineteen eighty-seven baseball season started for me Yeah i was gonna say for for us if you remember the grounds crew baseball season evidence based put no well. That's why said baseball season started and eighty seven. There's no end. there's no it just goes through. Baseball season has seasons up. Its own right. Yeah i mean one of the best things One of the best fun facts about me as born on opening day. so it's it's all relative because opening day fluctuates. So you were born on a day that they played baseball. I was born or game of the season that year. correct as born on opening day. I mean that's just a fact as born on opening day. Nineteen thousand nine. Red sox went into extra. I told you this story the front page of the newspaper. The next day the day after hours born was that the rocket launches in baltimore so no clemens did debut and eighty nine no but he he was the opening day starter in eighty nine and my eventual favor baseball player of all time. You're listening if you're listening to this podcast. You know the answer to this. Cal ripken junior. The red sox played the orioles in baltimore. They went into extras in ripken. Want he homered in that game. So yeah that's That's when baseball season started for me and it it quite literally never ended as it never ended for you as well but the super bowl has come and gone. Oh now tired. Gabe would've tired game. I mean what what do you mean. What do i mean like. I get it from a technicality. Standpoint like understanding football watching the game of football. Yeah that was that there was a lot to be taken away from as far as entertainment value in anything from it. Not a ton and it sucked because like the shit that would have got. You super decided you needed those plays to be fulfilled like when i got patrick mahomes facing the other way throwing shit underhand backwards to pay more and it's hitting them in the grill. Might need that. Caught especially hitching the grill in the end zone. I'd like to and just a very uncharacteristic amount of drops early on for the chiefs wide receiving corps You knew the patrick mahomes was going to be under pressure a lot that speedy defense from the from the bucks were going to be dialing it up all night long. They were i. I wanted it to be. I absolutely wanted it to be that passing of the torch. A moment that i think a lot of people were sort of anticipating but did want to publicly say out loud. Because you don't want to be the one who bets against. Tom brady for the very reason we have in front of us right now because he want his seventh fucking ring. Did grunk like i'll tell you right. Now i have never heard rob gronkowski speak as much in the last four days. I think i've heard him speak ever like with consistency. Like i've heard a lot of rob gronkowski and that dude. Just see all grab ball. Get the fuck off. Me absolute caveman. I love rob every minute of it. Great guy i I have one rob gronkowski story. This was had to been like twenty fifteen. You'll enjoy it Because it ended up with him wanting to eg dave portnoy's house So we were at baseball tavern one night. And this yeah this twenty fifteen. We'd heard rumblings. That rob was going to show up and we were like. It's fucking packed like it's the baseball tavern like there's no way that he's gonna show up here it'll be chaos ever make it out alive. Yeah so i think like last call at one thirty they try to kick everyone out by two around like core pass. One rob shows up in the kitchen. Like you've been to the baseball tavern. First floor i mean r.i.p baseball tavern but Rob shows up with his friends in the kitchen which is in the back so you came through the back door and i was like why. Why did you come here just to hang out in the kitchen. He's like just wait. Okay so the last call happens. They kick everyone now and we can't get anyone in trouble now because the bar doesn't exist but we after the bar closed. He basically like handpicked. Whoever he wanted to go up to the second floor we have the second floor to ourselves From like two in the morning like five in the morning and at like whatever. It was like two thirty i was like. He's like why aren't you. why are you drinking. I was like awesome fucking hungry. And he's like oh you want those like i love. Chicken fingers is is like are done thirty minutes later. Catering shows up with fucking chicken. A tray of chicken fingers a tray of french fries in a tray of mozzarella sticks and dan late rob gronkowski right in there in front of everybody. Yes is like thank you your your servant to the society. Thank you so much. So i had my chicken fingers Sipping on some cores lights and And then by four o'clock in the morning he he wanted to go egg. Dave portnoy's house and i was like i kind of know it is but like i don't know like i had been the user alcestis telling me right now as you just didn't want to be dude. No no rob gronkowski deport noise. That's no no 'cause like back at that point. I had been to do over. Rob gronkowski had been dave's place like twice and he lived in the back bay area and he lived in an area where like all the houses look the same. They were all in a row. And i was like i know the general area but i couldn't tell you for certain like that's his house like i could. I could take you to the street. And i could. We could eg five houses and we'd probably get his but then there would be four people with with egg on their windows that none of which would be any the wiser as to who had done it. None of which would have had any issues like look it rains. Where's that at where. Where was that happening in boston. Boston massachusetts rains out there. Yes wash that you've been. Yeah i mean next time. We'll get him next next. Time called. a lot of baseball news happened this past week. A ton a lot got player movement. We got players signed and grundy deals. Yeah yeah there's going to be a lot of Breaded chicken titties and in this episode But i there We've we've got some. We've got some movement on the health and safety protocols for twenty twenty one which which included some other shit here. So we've got seven inning doubleheaders. That's a done deal automatic runner in extra innings. Knock crazy about it but whatever wearable contact tracing devices. Yeah that's the That's the big one. That's big one for me. There's another big one in there. Yeah but that's one of the big ones because That is that is something that didn't have to be done prior so they're not used to this. Football players. Used to this basketball players used to this major league. Baseball players. Not used to this so i don't know hockey has instituted. The usage of that either couldn't tell you the next on or whatever it's called But yeah that's going to absolutely now forced the hand of instructors and staff to keep players to minimize groups and this is now quite literally reporting. How close you were at what time to. And so all of those questions. They're going to have answers to them. It's still going to be about how it's enforced and what happens but it's just another level to the protocol that players are going to have to get used to this year that they didn't have to deal with last year so another small adjustment period but again nothing that these players can't handle nothing that these guys can't deal with knowing what's at stake. It's it's an adjustment but it's a necessary. Evil expanded cova nineteen testing. That's good to see face mask enforcement officers. How do you get that job Probably the same dude who is required to well. Maybe not because. I don't know of major league baseball necessarily employs those people but the guys who have to come in and give the piss test and stand there and basically hold your peace for you while upn to a cup. That's how closely they're watching. You're going to have those same types of individuals just standing right outside of them. Probably they're going to be standard around the cage during batting practice. They're going to be present so you know who they are and just sort of that all. Hey you get your mask got your and that's just gonna be the it's going to be the thing was that was that you that when you got tested for p. pete into the couple taking a shit correct yeah and late. Let me. Let me clarify okay. Because there are there are some individuals who understand that job and what they're doing and they're not trying to make it any tougher on you or violate you anymore than they already understand like. They're standing over you in your locker tell you you need to go pee right now. Right and then there's other people who have informed you they just stand off to the side. Like yeah i can see you when you start to walk back over to the bathroom. All meet you over there. We can do it and done deal. And then there's other people who feel like they are the ones who are going to administer the test. They're the ones we're going to levy the decision and they'd had this power. It's very weird. It's very weird thing to want to have power and control over as a as a human being but they do and they would say we've got to get out of here we've only got about fifteen minutes and we've got to get out of here. We gotta get results in. And it's like oh okay so on your schedule right now. Like i'm the one who has to work up the ability to piss here on one of go slam these water bottles and you think you're just gonna like come over here in my locker and yell at me. Basically tell me. I need to get my shit together. No problem i'll get my shit together. Let's go grab your cup and we're gonna walk into that bathroom stall because you are going to be together. No no no no. No you gotta come in a little closer. Why because i'm going to drop my pants a hammer. You are going to be a part of it because you've got to watch. Don't you now still in a fucking hurry or are you still in a hurry. Dick is gonna win very differently. This could've went very differently. You've got to be an asshole. Right after a ballgame. So speaking of assholes here you go are the worst the worst. I got this dude yelling at me. Hey mr brayden really got about fifteen. Twenty minutes left we. Will you know what that sounds like ample time. If you're asking me the guy who just got off the field sweating like i can. I can get five minutes to gather my breath. Because it's like i. I gotta talk to the reporters. I gotta get my post workout like. Can i get five fucking minutes police. Oh no i can't okay. Well i i got something for. I gotta shit. Apparently so that's how that goes okay. Active roster of twenty six and then twenty eight in september so taxi squad the other thing here if your family unit is traveling or whatever great fantastic protocols in place to make sure that they get tested whatnot But then like staying at the hotel with you know. Excuse me like if your wife comes to the ball game in the traveling city or whatever like you think she's sleeping with you. It's not supposed to happen. They're not supposed to be in there because they're not necessarily a part of the team. Traveling party essential work. So you'll hang out with your family outside of the hotel in a nice little park or something but no like having your family with you do think this is gonna stay in force for the entire 162. Nope as in like someone will break it. Or they'll lighten the restrictions a combination of both. It'll be broken repeatedly to the point where they'll realize we're not going to be able to. We're not gonna be able to do this. Yeah i mean to like sleep in the same bed as their wife. I feel like that's not gonna go over too well right and that's and that's the thing that's on the road so i understand the give and take because it's all right if we spend ten days on the road five days into that ten day road trip like we're going to have to start really quarantining and really adhering to the bubble protocol. Because i'll be home in five days in my family to be around me. Wanna be around my family. So that's kind of the attack plan from there on the road. They're basically telling you your family can come watch you play and you could hang around with them at a designated restaurant or eating establishment outdoor dining or a place outside of the hotel but them coming in and sleeping with you in your hotel room assault going to happen and that is. That's a huge compromise. Man yes huge compromise. Yeah well it sounds like they agreed to it. I can't they can't just like force us on the players know. Yeah but this is all part of an and if you again the mindset of a baseball player as an athlete as opposed to some of the other ones very different. Because you're gone for six months at a time is what it feels like. Sure you're on the road for two weeks and you come home for two weeks but that travelling and that separation over a six month period of time can wear on a family unit can wear on an individual as opposed to the nfl where you're practicing sure they take off early in the week to go there other city. But you've got your family with you if that's the case if you're traveling with your family they're there so that long-term separation just isn't there in any other sport so we'll see how it goes but as of right now it seems like we're gonna we're gonna have no delays which is nice after last year. That was a fucking shit. Show baseball being the only sport to be like. Yeah we can't we can't do the whole thing every other sport like this is sign. We're can do it and they did it. Not so much always an issue. I'm pumped up on pumped up that The regularity is something. That's that's on the table here because talking to a lot of the guys last year and talking to guys who've been injured and had nagging injuries absolutely attribute the turbulence in their preparation to some of the injuries. that occurred. Like i just could never get my body right. I just never get things going when i did. Things got stopped things you know. The growth and the progression was was retarded. So when that happens it's like fuck man. I wanna see that again. Because i know what's around the quarter. Yeah i think we saw some not not every team or team president or whatever has made a statement about it but some teams are saying that they hope to open the season at twenty percent capacity. Which i don't know how that's going to go in terms of every ballpark but it seems like some teams or at least hoping for twenty percent to start the year and then i even saw some teams saying like we're hoping for full capacity by august. I don't fuck it. Like i don't know what they're seeing on the news. That would lead them to believe that there is a light at the end of the tunnel if you close one eye and put one finger in your ear. Kobe goes away. And you don't have to like you don't even have to think about it kip. I'm i'm not one of those people. Like i'm not like i feel like you're slowly. This is why. I like this last year and a half. I've hated these conversations because the kid be just solely about baseball because if it is then you're you know you're almost intentionally being ignorant to what's going on around the world. That is impacting the conversation. We're having so we wanna talk about spring training getting ready to go and shit like that. We want to be excited well. We have to acknowledge that. Kobe is still running rapid and also probably be be. Well served to acknowledge that. There's three to four different fucking strains mutated and are now fighting off the vaccinations their rendering the vaccinations that we already have haven't place useless. The vaccines are moot. Point to some of these strains so with shit like that going on you absolutely have to consider you're a psycho forty percent or full capacity is ever going to be a thing. It sucks i'm very. I'm very like. I don't want to talk about that shit. I wanna talk about baseball. I don't want to have to acknowledge the shortcomings of our nation. And how that's going to impact the dumb gay we want to talk about. I mean i'm definitely not an optimist as it pertains to fans in the stands this year and it it sucks. It sucks like that was that was one of the biggest reasons why move home. I was like all right. I'll move home. And i'll be able to have access to fenway and we can make baseball content with with guys in the road. Dugout the home dugout. And it's like now The next time that i'll probably be able to have access in the dugout. Normally like they'll be so much overturn the rosters that i'm going to walk in there and be like i don't know any you fucking guys like i'm not going to have a relationship with anybody here so like i don't have the leg up that i had before where you know you're you're able to just walk in and be like. Oh hey so and so you wanna fucking jump on the podcast. Like that's just not. Like i feel like that's not going to be a thing by the time we're able to actually go back into dugouts and just live a normal life again fuck. No it's like the part of how the industry what we're doing and what we're doing. What folks in other sports do how it changes is because now you're going to get the same stuff you got last year as far as media availability. A designated player made available for x. amount of time. And then after that it's going to be up to you to try to find and seek out time with these individuals in a safe manner together. Whatever story you're looking to tell. Yeah i i've i've had i've had players reach out to me like unprompted. Hey you guys coming down to spring training. They're excited do shit with us. And i'm like yeah i i don't think so and let you try to explain it to them where it's like. Yeah i think it's that you guys are excited for us to be there so that we can do shit together but like that's kind of the the problem that we ran into when we were talking about. Whether or not we're going to do it was you know we don't wanna put players in an awkward spot. Where will this protocol. This protocol here that we're talking about right now eliminates the possibility for that to happen. Yeah but i'm saying like you know if we have an off site like if we have people come by where we stay and we like record something there it's like i don't even want to ask you because like we have a good relationship. You might feel uncomfortable saying no and it's like you might want to say no but yeah i don't even wanna put players in that spot where they have to make that decision to be like all right. Well if i go to this place and then what happens if i get covid. Just gonna the fucking get a coffee in the morning and it's like i don't know where it came from but people are going to see that i did an interview with you guys now. Everyone's gonna fucking hate you guys and blame you for it. It's like. I just don't want that. I've looked at this. i've looked at. I've read through the protocol. And i thought about ways. Like what do we do. Do we do like do we. Just go golf for six days and take players out because you could go. Golfing says that you could gulf outdoors in areas that are allowing it arizona. Definitely one of those areas. It's going to go out golf. So could we do that. And it's like you're you're trying to find ways to make shit happen but at the end of the day you don't want to put guys like you just said in an uncomfortable spot because i'd much rather those dudes feel comfortable enough to tell us to fuck off and then two days later on a zoom call and bullshit with them as opposed to them. Try to politely make it happen and it just be super uncomfortable for everyone knowing that we probably should be doing this right right and that's the conclusion that we came to so at the end of the day We have decided not to go to spring training. Which fucking sucks. Because it's one of the. It's it's something that i look forward to every year like spikes up tours so much fun and i mean it's crazy to even think about it like like we went to arizona and then we had to like decide like are we going to go to florida like the seems kind of weird and then and then the decision got taken away from us because we were supposed to fly out on that wednesday and then that friday is when they sent everyone home so it went like. I don't know we could probably still do it. Make it work like this. Isn't that big of a deal. And then boom and then life was just put on hold ever since then and now it's back again like now like this is around the time zone. I was so stressed. I remember that day. I remember that morning just sitting there in front of the bus. Like like talking like what we're gonna do. What are we going to do. And i remember telling you like. I can't ask you to get on an airplane and go home and they get on an airplane and go to florida knowing what's going on. I can't ask brin to do that. I'm not gonna do that. And i don't know i don't know what's waiting for us in florida and then like you said two days later go the fuck home. Put a tent over it. Let's let's let's let's try to keep our country alive. Yeah it's already been a year like we would be going to arizona like next week right. We usually go around valentine's day. Yeah we would probably be leaving on monday a week. From yesterday we would be leaving and now it's just not even inconsideration. So that's it's fucking nuts. I just. I can't wait for people that are listening. I'm sure you guys can't wait to get back to a ballpark in his fucking watch. A baseball game in person and be part of that atmosphere and that gets part of everyone's tried it. It's not even really tradition. It's just like a lifestyle to way life like it's summertime all right. let's go to fucking ballgame so it's a good time to bring this up here then because if you do make it out to spring training. I don't know how if you're allowed to watch the games i. I don't know if that's going to be a thing. I doubt it But the format gonna be a little different this year Minor league esque spring training rules. What do i mean well in the minor leagues. It is a controlled environment right. You got your stud prospect on the mound and he's cruising through a ninety eight will then all the sudden shit starts to get away from him starts spray. The slider can't find the strike zone. Walk a couple of guys given up a couple of knox and he's like twenty eight thirty pitches into his outing. Here typically your first outings only forty pitches. we'd love to get you through two innings with that might not be the case. So what will happen is if there's not three outs say there's only two outs and you just walked guy. Well the coach will then say or the manager will then say as batters walking into i ladder and that means that the next guy up is the last better. You punch him out. Great he hits a homer great. That's it and we're going to switch sides now And there's no. This doesn't require a third out also in the middle of that inning say. Instead of walking that hitter he gives ground ball and the shortstop kicks it and it's an error and now he's standing at first and there. Were two outs and the inning should be over. But it's not you'll hear a it and that means rolling. Come off the field. That should have been out. Fuck that we're not gonna send our guy out there to throw ten more pitches because he should be out of it so you can control the environment a lot more and that's great for prospects because you run into those moments in a game where you don't need to beat the hell out of his arm. He doesn't need to throw another fifteen pitches. What he needs to do is take his rest. Sit down and then get back up. Because we're building these athletes up so it's a controlled environment in the big leagues. We don't do that. Why because there's fans in the stands that have paid money to come and watch the stars get their two innings of defensive work one at bat and take it to the house. Well that's all changed now because there aren't fans in the stands so they actually have the ability to say you know what five any game seven inning game or be good with that when the managers meet before the game. They'll have that figure it out so don't have to play nine innings anymore. Seven five whatever and then after march seventeenth. I believe they will mandate at least seven inning games so doesn't necessarily have to be nine the managers the day after saint patrick's day. We absolutely blew it out in our bubbles safely. We're going to need to is going to be quick fair all right seven innings done so a very different scenario experienced at the big love which is smart which is smart. I also have high hopes for a minor league season being able to be normal this year. that sucked last year. Especially for the guys. I mean like. I know that there are these small towns throughout the country. That are like no. We can't make it out to the big stadium. We can't we can't afford to go to a big league game so you know minor league. Baseball is a part of our lives and to not be able to have that for a whole year. That's that's no fun and then for these players were it's like i have a one in a billion chance of being born in having the towns to make to the big leagues and i've been blessed with that talent and i just had a whole year of my development taken away from because of the pandemic when like odds are against me as as it stands. I mean like wh what are the odds that entirely makes it to the big leagues. It's it's very low percentage. Yeah well i mean it's one in a million before you even before you get to the point where you're making money rightly right. I mean there's a lot of the point to play and get paid is one in a million right and then there's a lot of teams that are very excited about their prospects but it's like well what can we. What can we talk about from a prospect perspective when these guys aren't playing baseball game so now it seems like we're going to be able to get back to that which is which is a nice thing you talked about the progression to evolution getting guys ready. And you know what you've gotten out of. It is all subjective in my opinion because you sort of take the travel approach for the amateur kids. And i tell them your time right now during covid. Your time is best served drilling yourself four days a week five days a week. We're we're getting our reps in not game reps. No no no no no. No no practice. Reps backfield rips cage work. That's where you're going to get better because the games are just the venue for you to be able to apply everything. You've learned over a three hour period. That's what game rips are. That's why they're very different. Because you can't simulate that speed but the skill set required to be able to compete within that game rep within that realm. That's what has to be homed. And you've had a ton of time to figure that out to work on those things as a player so you should be itching to get into the game because of what the work that you've put in looks like up into this point that's what the game should represent. The game is talking about deadening. The baseball which i've found interesting because for the longest time the game was telling us that there was nothing different about the baseball. Was going to say what you have to admit that the ball was different. If you're going to come out and tell us that your deadening the ball. What do you deadening you. You mean oh do you mean you're dead. You're dead any even more on on. Oh that's not what you said cheat you said your deadening it so that means you're taking away from what it was. Oh so when you told us that there wasn't anything going on there was. Is that what you're saying. Yes that's exactly what you're saying or are you telling me corrobos that rob manfred was not forthcoming and transparent about information regarding our great game baseball. it would appear that way. That's crazy it would appear that way and players have already been tweeting about it and it's pretty funny. I mean like david price tweeted something about like denting the baseball and he was all excited about it and then mike trout was not happy about it. The price was just like. I think you're going to be just fine like i'm not like instead of your four hundred eighty foot home runs. They're going to be forced sixty five. Like don't worry about it and that's the thing is like to be specific on some of the detail. The idea is that balls hit over three hundred and seventy five feet within have a reduced flight path of five feet so they've thrown out the idea that it's like pushing the walls back in every stadium five feet or raising the walls five feet of height however you want to look at it Again all this says to me is just. It's just an admission that there's been some finagling with the baseball and remember finagler. There is a slot at i. Don't have the exact precise numbers in front of me but there is a there's a buffer there's a cushion you have to make the baseball within desai's and within this is so no smaller and no more dragging this no bigger and no less drag than this. And that's where baseball's been able to operate is just within that buffer will remember you open a dozen baseball's and all twelve of those could be very very very different if you had twelve of them and six of them were on the lower end of that buffer zone and the other six were on the higher end of that buffer zone. You essentially have a dozen baseball's that it's a coin flip on what you could expect out of that ball and you don't even know which ball you're getting. That's been the problem. And i think you're probably going to have. I don't know actually. I don't know what your stances on this because yes you're four major league pitcher but you've kind of become a softy in your post retirement stage of your life. I don't know why we're deadening the baseball. I love the fact that they're more home runs like i. I love the fact that you know. I understand that. I think the pro. I don't know how you fix it. But the problem is more so that Strikeout numbers are up. Homers are up and walks her up to. So it's like all right. We're seeing these record. There's nothing about the baseball games. Yeah the pitching. That's the result is what it is straight up straight up. You can talk about the ball. You talk about the distance of the fences. You could talk about all that. We're we're living in an era. We're guys are throwing one hundred miles. An hour with regularity and with consistency. Okay the reason those dues were so fun back in the day to watch is because we all could sort of understand the dominance that was about to go down because we all understand how tough it must be to not only see one hundred mile an hour fastball. But then square it up okay. Well that's happening all the time now but what's also happening. All the time is guys were swinging and missing because that reaction time has been narrowed. The it just doesn't exist like it did ten years ago so there's going to be more swing and miss and wiser going to be more walking because at ninety nine on the black you either made the decision to fight it off or you didn't and you got lucky that it was an and got called a ball so the action that you're anticipating is being again is sort of being castrated. By the velocity on the mound. Just don't have the time to make your decision. So if you're gonna flip the coin to make contact great might be a homer these days but if you can't even pull the trigger because it's one o two you better pray to god it's not a ball and if it is you get lucky and that's why we see the number go up of all the dumb ideas the baseball has had some of them implemented some of them not. I'm surprised that we haven't seen rob manfred be like well. You know. everyone's star ninety eight ninety nine one hundred. Why don't we move the mound back yard. This has been one of my ideas for. I don't know how long you wanna move the mound back about treating the pitcher's mound the way we treat other dimensions ballpark. Like i said super excited to go to oakland. Oh man can't wait to get oakland. why well sure. The amount is sixty two feet from home plate in oakland. But look at all of that territory bucket. Incredible can't wait man. I really love pitching at the cell in chicago. Why why does it broke. Because it's only. I mean you see how fucked the places bandbox. But it's only fifty eight feet to home plate. My shit turns up a notch on ninety three ninety. Five baby year Could you imagine showing up. I mean that would be a hell of a calibration to occur. Allergies-asthma is perceived velocity from fifty eight feet. Musk look like one away. I mean he would essentially be handing the ball to whoever's back there. I going through mechanics and then dropping it into the i'm pretty sure. Glasnost has the closest release point to home plate so fifty eight feet plus the closest release point plus the fact that he can throw one oh one equals perceive loss of close to one hundred ten miles an hour. So so i've always wondered what that would look like. You know like how. I feel like that would be cool. Yeah i would. I would have made it to the big leagues if i if i wasn't so afraid of the ball or if you had your manager schedule every single game on the pony fields. Yeah i mean definitely like playing on a smaller diamond would have helped. There's no denying that stance Be yeah i mean. It's i guess one of those things we'll have to wait and see. I just kinda look at it as you know what what saved. Baseball home runs. What made baseball more exciting over the last couple of years. Everyone just hitting way more home runs like teams breaking home run records. I mean no individual players coming fucking close to the single season record so it's not like they need to be like well. We can't have pita lonzo challenging barry bonds for the single season home run record like we haven't had that problem. It's just like guys. I mean i guess more impacts maybe this is more the tin foil hat for dallas on this side of things but like guys going from being like a twenty home run guy. It's like a thirty five home. Run guy now. It impacts the economics of baseball where these guys are going to get. Paid more in. The owners don't wanna pay players more for their their inflated ability. That isn't actually talent. It's more just the baseball being adjusted away so that it impacts their game though. Welcome to the light. Corrobos come to the light. My friend yes. Yes yes this is why this is why i said they wanted to know about the baseball's in aaa why they're not excited about watching these guys that they don't know much about produce that they're producing that that doesn't excite them. They're they're questioning all fuck. Okay how are we going to evaluate this moving forward. How does this out. Because if they're doing this down here triple a. We already know that. There's a discrepancy in talent. There's a drop off. So can we expect that at the big level. Probably not but can this player turn into somebody at the big league level. That does this. I don't think so. And you know what i think is baseball's giving me a false sense of security on whom i middle infielder is because this little some bitches never ever popped more than ten homers in a year and here. He is in the top ten or fifteen in the pc l. with homers. I can't have that. I'm not even that is that is not who i think this player is so if i'm gonna evaluate and built my team with any sort of integrity that i could depend on i've got to have a good baseline that i can count on to figure out who these players are and that baseball is doing me any favors. Yeah i mean it's definitely layered. I just from a fan perspective. I just have to say. I enjoy more homers than less homers. So i. i didn't see a problem with it. i didn't. I didn't need the baseball to be adjusted. So that guys are not hitting four hundred. Eighty foot home runs. Like that's kind of like my thing. I tell you what man and the only way that. I think that we could ever get a real feel for. That would be to would be to make the ballpark's larger like they were in yesteryear back in the day or the fucking polo grounds to get a feel five thirty center. Field for the game of baseball played differently. Because if you're twelve years old right now hell even. If you're fifteen years old you don't recognize a game of baseball. Where hitting and running and stealing and moving the game along is a thing like if you were to watch a game of baseball were there were four or five hitting runs executed. Six or seven stolen base attempts. You would have no idea what you're watching. You would think that these people these people are psycho. Why is he running. Why is it ready. Like the guy hits a home run. He's going to score. And and that thought is just different. And i think the team of baseball played where a wit mary. Filled skill set is appreciated as much as a joey gallows power. That is a very different brand of baseball. And it's one to get excited about because everybody who's not strong concede themselves still at a base like mary field or everybody. Who's not as fast as what. Mary field can see themselves hitting the ball behind the runner at second base. Because maybe i'm not fast. But i can put the bat on the ball and if that's all they're asking me to do so you might see yourself in the game of baseball differently than you do now. Can everybody see themselves. Joey gallo hitting five hundred foot bombs. Everybody would like to be but is that realistic. No no Just take a shot. Here what is To hit a home run to dead center at the polo grounds. You'd have to hit it. How many feet five hundred thirty one feet it is. Four hundred eighty three feet to dead center. It's to seventy nine on the left field line to fifty eight down the right field line. The upper are what are the gaps four ninety four fifty five four forty nine and then dead center. There's like a fucking there's like a like a square just just like jets out and dead center. That's four eighty three trying to think of the dimensions on the on the show. Yeah it's so that game right there. Think about that the hitters. Today are geared for that ballpark. Pull happy and let it fly. You hit it in the air down the lines. Fuck it homer like how many guys are. How many guys are using the middle of the field these days. Not many at all not not so. That's that's why when you see a guy like what meera field step up to the plate. And he pops one in that four eighty gap and that's some bitches rounding second running backwards. Because he knows it's an inside the park homer that's entertainment. Yeah i wonder how many inside the park home runs. Were hit polo grounds. Sure we get our friends you at elias on that figured out But yeah no i just. I think it's just funny that they set all along. Nothing was happening to the baseball's but now they're saying they were going to dead in the baseball's dallas trifecta nation. What's the fucking deal. What is the deal with the best meal. Prep on because i've been getting into the meal. Prep game over the last call at six weeks or so. 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Like the mega free agents would sign around christmas and that was considered late now if someone signs around christmas. It's like what's like if you have enough time on the clock to field all your assemblers yeah if you sign in december even if we signed a january now sometimes i mean for the big name free agents like our expectations. I mean manny machado. Bryce all these guys. They've they've signed right up at the buzzer of when teams are players is supposed to be reporting. It's almost it's almost in now like oh bro. You got a report in a week. Oh we report new weekend. You already have a team loser. You're market must suck yeah That's not how how it's always been There is a i feel like. There's a lot to unpack your with the bauer signing. So i don't wanna get right to the signing okay to ask you thoughts on because this was billed. This was promoted. This was commercialized. We were put on notice that trevor bowers free agency was going to be your source of entertainment for the offseason. You're going to get what you want out of. Trevor bauer this offseason folks. You're gonna see free agency tackled and approached in a way that you've never seen it done before. Do you feel like you didn't get that. Oh no no. i'm. I'm not saying. I'm saying i'm just laying out how his regency was billed to the baseball world And so that's what that question is now is. Do we believe we got that was the trevor. Bauer free agency. Hype train everything you thought it was gonna be wanted it to be and could be so. I think one of the things that we get accused of often is codling or sucking off guys. That are friends. The podcast so i'm not going to do that here. I i think that most baseball fans got sick of the whole like wh. Where's it going like. Most people like just fucking hurry up and sign like the people were people. Were like you know yeah. It was fun in the beginning when he would put on the different hats and everything and he would tweet where he was going and he would tease it. But then after months of that. Like fans of like the mets for example they were like south playing with our emotions like people stopped having fun with it and then also fans of teams that knew that they weren't even in the running. Were like care so the market for it. I think kind of like maybe. Maybe i'm wrong for this. But i think the blake snell padres trade really fucked to the entertainment value of the free agency because by the end of it you kind of narrowed down the suitors. And you're like it's not as wide of a pool is it appeared to be at the start of his free agency. I think it would have been way more entertaining for fans of potential suitors and fans who knew that bauer wasn't coming to their team like there weren't many rumors like it wasn't like hey like breaking news like the chicago. White sox reached out to trevor bauer. And they're in discussions like there weren't like it was basically just like the reports that we heard were that the mets had made an offer and they were talking to trevor. Bauer and we didn't even hear that until february. And that's how that's the thing with the dodgers. So i'll even say this brin asked me to make tiktok she was like. Can you make tiktok where you go down the list of reasons why trevor bauer would sign with the dodgers or sign with the mets. And i was like i was like. Why would i even do that. Like the last report that we got from the dodgers was that they were like. Yeah like we'd love to have you but we don't need you and feel like he's not he's not even going there. You said that's what i'm saying. I said the reports were that the dodgers were like yeah we. It'd be nice to have you but we don't need you and we're just going to hang back and see if the price falls because we don't think that there are a ton of teams on your right now so i was like. Yeah why even bother with the dodgers knowing that the mets had a very aggressive offer out. So i was like all right if the mets have this aggressive ofo. There really aren't any other suitors for our and the dodgers don't appear all that motivated to sign bauer. Then why would we even entertain the idea that it's going to be anybody but the mets so in my conversations with representation. That was something that was. That was something that i was reminded of consistently was the other team. That is involved here. You don't know who it is and it's because they have been so quiet about everything that they've done everything that they've done so let's go back to the way that trevor bauer and his agent. Rachel luebbe told us not us like you. And i but told us the baseball world. How things were going to go. We're going to squash ideo rumors that start to pop up right. As they hit the son like the minute they break surface of the dirt and become a little rumor flower. I am going to pick that little room flour and rip every pedal off that little rumor flour and blow it up the hill. You're not gonna do that to my guy and trevor. Bauer saying you're not going to do that to me. You're not gonna throw out some mystery team. You're not you're not gonna railroad these negotiations. I'm going to control it. So when trevor. Bauer starts the stick early on you. You have to realize. that's him. Trolling the market. That's him creating the market as well. And that's what's different than any other free agency ride that you've been on is it's been the agent behind closed doors. Starting the negotiation process. Getting that ball rolling. So what you've got this time. Was the player rolling. That snowball downhill right next to his agent. Rolling that snowball downhill and not letting anybody else throw a rock and their snowball. That could surprise them later. They shut it all down so from a transfer ones would mean. I forget what month i was. I think it might have been december. Maybe did you see the rumor on twitter. That was getting some traction that bauer was meeting with cashman at his house in connecticut. No there was like a little twitter rumor. That was going around that bauer had a meeting with. Brian cashman at his house in connecticut. And i i wanted to ask. But i didn't think i'll get a straight answer but i think that day. Bauer posted an instagram story. And like geo tagged at that. He was in arizona so like i think they were. It wasn't like it wasn't like a pass in or a heyman or someone like that but there was like a some dude that is like a random twitter user that will occasionally guest right and claim that he has sources. He was saying that bauer had a meeting with cashman that night. And then bauer just posted. Probably purposely That he was in arizona. Yeah and see like the initial rumor is great for bowers camp. Why because that's another team in and that's the new york yankees specifically right in right so he's okay with that but now it would ever get to a point where other teams would not be in because of who could potentially be be be after him. He wants to shut that down. And that's what they were able to do so for me. It was an interesting look an interesting approach to a player's free agency. I was intrigued. Watching him create the market for himself by virtue of his interactions on social media. Because like it or not believe it or not dot played a huge role in my opinion. Well i think like you said if if it's rumored that the yankees are in like that's a good thing like you don't like the whole stance of if there's fake news out there we're going to shut it down so that you have transparency with us and what's going on but at the same time strategically you want other teams to think that other teams are in like that's how you drive up the fucking price and create a market for yourself and at the end of the day. Yeah like it looked like the mets were just gonna be bidding against themselves and then boom the dodgers come out of nowhere next thing you know. He's a fucking dodger. So yeah that's why i was. I was thrown off and the whole thing about You know the trolling and how. He had like the mets stuff. Like the mets t. Shirts were already on his store. And the sign. Mets hats address that yet he addressed that and i feel bad for him. Because i'm sure like what what does trevor. Bauer have to gain from trolling mets fans before he signs of the dodgers. That's that's the situation. Put yourself in when you when. I say when you behave like trevor. I'm not. I'm not knocking him for what he's done. I'm saying when you act the way he's acted and has done the shit. He's done on twitter when something like that goes up. It's almost like the boy who cried wolf thing like like. Do you really expect us to believe that. You didn't have anything to do with that. Based on your past record of trolling and how you've behaved and it's like well yeah. I don't think he did that because he he does have a team of people that are in place to help him with these things and that one got away. That's that's how that happened. Yeah i think an honest fuck up. Yeah he didn't cite himself up to do that to then have to turn around and what's donating like over one hundred and fifty grand or whatever. It is to new york based charities. That's him don't look my bad. I can totally see how that would piss you off and blah blah blah. So that was it me on taking full responsibility for it because it's my team which means it's me and i do feel bad about how that went so please let this be an offering so you understand. I wasn't just trying to drive the knife in and twisted on on your fan base. That's not how i roll. I told you up until the very last moment that i possibly could. And then i made my decision and i was a professional about it but then i realized that you were buying side mets birch. And i'm not a new york. Mets so let me help you out with a donation i mean i think ultimately it was i i'm not gonna say it was the right decision. I think it was the right decision. Either way you go and join the mets rotation what they've got over there and they're building up in queens now would have been exciting to see but now he's going to the dodgers where it's like defending world champs. You join a rotation of walker bueller clayton kershaw dozen may Areas fuck in price. I mean you're you're joining like the mega powers over there and not to say it. Yeah fucking great fit. I mean like they're like now. And i think you made this point. A couple of episodes ago if he joins that rotation. It's like well now. You kind of have the option of putting dust and may in the bullpen. if you want Not that i would really gone. Isn't even fucking mentioned like when we talk about. This dude was nails in the rotation and twenty twenty. And he's not like they're. They're already six deepen that rotation without mentioning goslin. So yeah i like. I like i like to fit not only for that reason because of all the obvious depth here but what i have said about. Trevor bauer and what his teammates have touted him for. And why the san diego destination was so sexy early on for me and intriguing. Yes the club is there. But think about the young guys and now rotation that they've got the impact of trevor. Bauer could have on those dudes. Should that t be able to mesh the way that you hear about pitching staffs coming together. Well now bauer can bring that. He brings out to la as well he brings out everywhere he goes but now i wonder like is this a matter of and i'm not i'm not saying he's teaching old dogs new tricks here. He's not he's not taking clayton kershaw in turning him turning the clock back seven years and regaining the ninety six and blah blah blah. But you do have some impressionable arms in that rotation on that staff a guy like trevor. Bauer plugged into place with some of these new wave in new aged approaches to the craft. Maybe they're thinking about that kind of impact as well i mean. Could you imagine ever about taking dustin may into the no no no lab trevor. Trevor bauer taking a walker bueller and to may the amount of fuck you between walker. Bueller and dust and may is palpable. When you're in the building with those two palpable you can feel them wanting to steal. Your soul on the pitcher's mound. Now you put those two absolute pitching freaks in a laboratory and you give them the resources to coach themselves. You give them the resources to better themselves and correct themselves on a completely different level. Now i said it a couple of days and i'll say it again with total confidence walker. Bueller will absolutely win a cy young award and a guy like trevor bauer coming into his world at this stage in his career could only be beneficial. If you're somebody who is open to new information and new techniques and i have to believe that those dudes may and bueller and the rest of that staff are here to fuck shit up. Yeah it's it's a joke. And i know that there are a lot of bitter. Not even just mets fans but just baseball fans general like. Oh my god. He's getting forty million dollars a year and he's got a career era of three nine. It's like you're not looking at it correctly all due respect. I'm sure there are a lot of very intelligent baseball fans out there. That are just bitter and they do know the difference of trevor bauer in twenty twenty an trevor bauer prior to twenty twenty. It's it's a different guy Different techniques being used. And when you're talking about a guy who's in a stage of his career where he knows his body better than anyone and he knows how to prepare for a season the way that he can put himself in a position to succeed better than anyone. It's you can't compare. You can't compare. Trevor bauer in two thousand twenty. One to as recently as twenty nine thousand nine. It's already two different people like it really is. We're talking about a dude who increase the rpm's on his slide piece by four hundred. Yeah if i'm not mistaken. Yeah so. that's a different guy. That's a different pitch. Different guy right. it's a completely different animal in the dodgers. Know that so unquestioned. Best rotation in the game right now. Yeah who who would come close right now. Nats yeah the nats. The nats are have a very good rotation and and the padres. But that's a lower. I don't want to call it a lower tier because that sounds super disrespectful. And you just don't have clev- next year so i can't even fully acknowledge that yet right so i think it's it's not really it's not really close. Yeah i mean you'd have to. You'd have to give like a tip of the cap to the mets too. I mean just because they didn't add our doesn't mean that they're they're no slouch rotation either at this point. No that's very solid with those dudes are not bowers use me. Do graham stroh door door will. he'll be on the rebound but So so now. I mean we're talking about the padres. How big of a gap. How big of a gap exists between the san diego padres and the los angeles dodgers like is this. The is this the gap like from the street to the curb is just like the grand canyon gap. Like how like is this supermodel thigh gap like how big of a gap is this. It's it's a great question because you don't want to get too excited about a sixty game season. And i think it is a chasm. You're the you're the one to point out that if we had played one sixty two last year i know a lot of people are excited about the san diego padres last year and the progress that they made in the excitement that they created in the baseball world but if they played a full one sixty two the gap in that division is. Probably a little bit more sizable fair fair. So now that they've gone out and added. Trevor bauer to their rotation Am i am i fair fair and saying that the i'm gonna take i'm going to take the over on six and a half games a six and a half. Yeah so i so. Let me make it a little sweeter. Then do they finish. Do they finish within single. Digits of the los angeles dodgers do the padres finish air single digits of the law. I'm going to say i'm gonna say they finished nine games back the dodgers because that was one of the first things that jumped in my brain was did this division. Just go from being competitive to see in october again. Like one pitcher. What bauer to the dodgers. Absolutely bauer to the dodgers. But also you have to consider what we just talked about like having. No he's going to make the other guys around him in that rotates rotation even better true he's also got to deal with one manny machado. Yeah he does his biological. Oh god i. I can't wait for that. I can't wait for that. Most that is right now today. The most highly anticipated at bat of the twenty twenty season. Twenty twenty one season for me. i need to see that i bat. I wanna see the about like fast forward to give me the no. You know what. I'm actually i'm here. Where's machado gonna hit. Third probably hit their fourth year. So bauer punches out the first two and now now he's got now. This is the showdown. I know bowers. Starting opening day so would be third day. Yeah you've got third. I mean i get that. There's a lot of respect in the dodgers organization and everything. How do you pay a pitcher. Forty million dollars and easier. Like number two starter. He's number two. I guess by buehler. That's that's like he's also it's not even that he's the reigning cy young award winner. How do you not you give that guy. Forty million dollars. He just won the cy young award and he's going to be your second or third starter. Do you also little side note fun fact. How but a big Greg maddux in one thousand nine hundred ninety two was the last pitcher to win the cy young award and hit the free agent market at the same time ninety two. We haven't seen a cy young winner. Hit the free agent market after winning the cy young award in or yeah i mean we've seen them get traded seen him get traded. Sure i think. Pedro pedro and ninety seven. Won the cy. Young award got traded to the red sox. I think our a dickey. Didn't he win the cy young and then got traded to toronto traded. Thought he just signed. Well then that would make your make your trivia question wrong. I think he got traded. Because that was didn't isn't that. How the fucking mets got senator card. The ra dickey move. I think you're right. Yeah yeah so. They've been traded but for free agent to to walk onto a new squad with the cy young like his arm and not start on opening day. It's i believe you to. I'm with you. I think it is going to be walker but think about think about the rotation thing about that conversation in that room when you're when you're the pitching coach into the manager trying to figure out landing spots guys rotation and you're like well who do we want to. Well maybe we hold on. We've got three cy. Youngs to choose for. Just do like a ping-pong lottery and the other two guys are not bad either. So i feel like we don't really like at times. You think shaping up a rotation in a certain manner can help guys or take pressure off of guys. What it means i think is clayton. Kershaw will always have the pressure that he has on himself every time he takes them out on the expectation of greatness the expectation of perfection. That will never wayne for kershaw. Come six seven dating anymore. Strike us as he need for three thousand and now he's over. Twenty five hundred sixty. That energy can change a little bit and kershaw. Ten years ago might have been motivated and excited to try to get through seven and eight will now knowing where he's at in his career the other guys in the rotation he doesn't feel the pressure to have to put forth those kinds of performances for the team's sake he knows all right six quality innings. Here i can take the house. I don't need to go. One hundred ten pitches into this ball game to eliminate bullpen usage and blah blah blah blah blah. So maybe clayton kershaw is able to take a big breath of fresh air Especially and that's one of the points that i was gonna make earlier when we were talking about being six seven guys deep if you consider goslin. Let's let's also consider that it's been a long time since clayton kershaw has been able to make thirty thirty to start a season. So you're going to need those guys you're going to need to be able to go from the bullpen. The rotation gonzalez thing. Maybe dustin may like so you know i it seems like the dodgers now have an embarrassment of riches which they do but i mean bauer in theory is going to be the guy like he's going to be the bulldog that goes out there and makes those thirty two starts and throws to certain fucking twenty innings or whatever ends up being like he's going to be that guy because kershaw has not that guy anymore. What do what do you got for me. Twenty twenty one because there's something that factors of our for bauer. What do you got for bauer and twenty twenty one. What's the outlook for. I'm not a specific line or anything like that. Just what are your expectations. I expect him to especially because now you talk about like the blisters with bueller like expect bauer to lead that rotation and starts and innings necessarily. He doesn't have to be like pissing contest with strikeouts although you know when we interviewed him in spring training of twenty correct like he will turn it into a competition amongst those guys like. Who's going to lead the team in strikeouts and all that Which is i mean a healthy competition within. I mean you have to do that. Shit when you're the dodgers and it's like well we we really don't have all due respect to the padres. We don't have that much of a threat for the division so we gotta keep some sort of competitive juices flowing so we'll compete with each other fair. Yeah i expect him. That's my big expectation is trevor. Bauer will lead the dodgers in starts innings pitched. Yeah because there's no There's universal d. h. right now. So he's got a he's he's got a little bit of a breather. Well engineered to a picture of his caliber. As should be two outs because that poor soul that's in the eight whole fuck hardly knew you. You're going to get diced. the fucking. She worked way to get dice. That you're gonna get pitched to like you're hitting three fifty with forty. You're gonna have no chance. Because if trevor bauer gives up and We're gonna have to get them on again so we can come up with a bet here. If trevor bauer gives up a hit to a pitcher he's going to be beside him some. He should absolutely be looking at that. As like. you said that's a free out in. That is your does your air hole if you're a seal in the arctic trying to get away from that giant leopard seal or maybe you're a penguin looking for a little place to shuttle your little black and white tuxedo awareness about the frozen in arctic. That's what the pitcher is in the lineup. Forever and i know that we talked about like The way that they handled free agency and everything. I'm very excited to see whatever the post production project looks like because you know. Obviously they're not going to be releasing clips from behind the scenes as it's happening live but now that it's over we're going to get to see like these reports pop up in the trevor's reaction like oh like you know. This report comes out and their reaction to it and like. I'm sure that they're gonna be videoing calls that they had with teams. I'm sure they're they're going to video the moment that he made the decision. I'm like video the the moment where they have to call the mets. And be like just letting you know. We've chosen the dodgers which you knew that the the leak came in obviously got a source with the mets. Because the second that he. He informed the mets that he was picking the dodgers. Heyman had bauer to the dodgers. So i mean our wasn't like everyone talked about how he was going to do. The lebron decision video announcement whatever. Bauer didn't get to announce his own free agent decision because Heyman broke it first. So that was. That was the mets. just like. Fuck this guy we're gonna we're gonna ruin whatever he has to make this aggrandizement that puts that thank you for bringing this full circle because at the devolve it if we are gauging success based on who control the narrative and who delivered the information. What i'm about to say might might shock. Some of you and you might not agree with it whatsoever. And that's fine. But based on those two criteria. I just set up who control the narrative and who delivered the information. It's a fail for trevor. Bauer because he didn't break his own signing. Because that is exactly why you did this. And you can't tell me otherwise you can't to be able to on signing that's it that's it. You wanted to control the narrative and you wanted to be the one who delivered the message and you thought that that was going to happen. Only on your youtube channel. You thought that you were going to be the one and you were mistaken. And i'm not saying that there wasn't some sort of understanding like hey the minute you feel like you're going to say yes in your heart. That is the only time that you are in control of your message. The minute you divulge that to anybody in your camp you need understand that that information has to go somewhere else to keep these balls rolling and the minute that that happens the minute that somebody gets called in a doctor's office the minute that somebody needs to plan a physical the minute. Your narrative is gone. You don't control it whether you believe that or not. That's not for me to decide but the fact is you put together. This huge free agency push and promotion ultimately to eliminate the hearsay. And the channeling. And to be the deliverer of your own message. And that wasn't the case wasn't the case. Oh so to. Your point will get the edited versions of all of the conversations in the back and forth and stuff and that will be great. That will be awesome. Please don't take this. What i'm saying. Negatively these are just facts. Like what you're talking about the videos on. How old is thomas. That's going to be awesome content. Shit that we've never really seen before that's going to be phenomenal but at the end of it all if the idea of you telling the dodgers fans from your mouth that you were coming is what you were. After a didn't happen then happen happen soon. After happen very soon out of minutes mere minutes afternoon but if we're playing the twitter credit game Trevor bauer would have to credit. John hayden now for his free agency announcement. Yeah he would he would. And i'm sure Heyman pleasure in being the one s because absolutely has developed quite the rivalry with bauer and his camp. Yeah i mean you. You heard his representation talking about some of the some of the approaches by agents trying to extract information at times it sounded like it was forceful and sort of pushy and lacked tact at times. And so that back and forth is going on in. Somebody's given the ability to jack up the game. Winning shot without passing it to the star of the team. Will john hayman fire and that some bitch from half court. It pissed me off. Lots of to be honest. I didn't i i mean. Look dude i was. I didn't want to go. i wanted. Trevor bowers youtube announcement to be the way that the world found out. I absolutely wanted that because he did. Put all of the effort into telling us what to expect during this offseason here comes fucking heyman. Who wasn't even invited to the fucking birthday party blown out the candles. Were you surprised nope you weren't because i know no because i know she works. I know jared. I look w head mets t shirts printed up ready to go on his website and then had to take them down when people discovered them. You thought he was going to. The dodgers thought. I didn't understand the question. I thought you were asking me. Did i expect this to happen. Like how it how. No no no no you know yeah the no the. The dodgers name was just up to that. Was the destination outside of san diego for me that made sense because of their flexibility and and their willingness to spend the money that they spent because what they say they will go over the literal. Say well they blew past it. What will so what. I what i'm saying is the first year is a what twenty percent hit And then after two hundred and forty million dollars they take another thirty percent hit. It's something ridiculous. It goes up exponentially year over year until you reset. I should know this word fucking word the way that i had to deal with this last year. But yeah it's it's yeah you can get up to being one hundred percent tax. I think by just about just some quick little details on that On the contract the contract as it sets right now is more than the total payroll for the pirates for the orioles and for the indians. Pirates at thirty mil owes at thirty four point. Two and tribe at thirty six. And a half mil right now The dodgers lose their second highest draft pick and five hundred dollars to international slot money because was offered an eleven thousand was offered the qualifying offer by cincinnati interesting. Note here in your two and three of his deal as the los angeles dodger trevor. Bauer can make what kevin brown made in the last six of the seven years he signed when he signed his one hundred million dollar deal as the los angeles you. That deal was for seven years. A hundred five million dollars trevor. Bauer can make up. Just say you can make it in three years the opt-out after one correct right. He's got the after one and two so you can go here. It's go forty mil forty five forty five two and three. He's gonna make roughly look. Kevin brown made in the last six years of his one hundred dollars conscious of his hundred million. I mean and by the way just to bring it back to a point or a discussion that we had a year ago. Maybe longer about very soon. We're going to see a player making forty million dollars a year. I think it was around when when mike trout sign is extension. And yes you miss. Remember how this went down me and jay were like fuck you. You're full of shit. I never satan. I never said. I never said either. One of you guys were that voice. That was not what i've said at any point in time i thought it was like years. I didn't think it was a year. I was never saying that. Use specifically specifically i'm speaking. I was speaking in generalities that like people. When i said that they were going to be made or that. Trevor because this was all on the heels of the garrett cole signing and we're talking about what kind of money is garrett cole. Going to get and i was like well. These fucking people aren't signing anybody. They're not going to commit long-term deals to these guys and this was just in the face of contracts not being offered guys get low balled. I was like yeah. would i say gear. Coal not gonna make one hundred million dollars because they're not going to sign him up for fucking ten years or whatever and what did they do. This is your call for ten years. Fucking three hundred fifty million dollars thirty five point forty five million annually between twenty one and thirty. Yeah that's incredible and and so my point was all right. So then if i'm thinking they're not gonna sign garrett cole to this decade year deal with half a billion dollars. Do we see a point. Where a guy just says fuck it. I'm taking forty mil for a year. Forty mil fifty mill for a year. And i said what's going to prevent teams from rolling the dice on that if they're going to capture what they think they're going to capture on the front end of that deal then load up that front end and that's what the dodgers have done right now. So i'll tell you right now if. The dodgers do not win a world series while trevor. Bauer is on that team. That is a failed contract because they are loading up the front end of that contract. Anticipating the return of a world series push multiple times over. Yeah for trevor bauer no-doubt so that's so again. I appreciate you giving me the credit for. But i like. It makes perfect sense on both genius. I was a genius one before my time in the ten finally paid off. I mean it's just wanted to make sure that foot aliens have landed on earth yet and the covid nineteen aliens. You wanna talk. Walked dot pow. You want to walk out. I don't care if you have seen them. They're jose can just at rough and rowdy. So i guess there's proof of some sort of net unnatural being on earth. But i think the idea that instead of giving a garrett cole fucking nine year three hundred forty million dollar contract where it's like. Yeah that's just to get them to say yes. We're going to have to deal with those shitty years at the end or we could try to entice a player where it's like all right. Yeah we'll give you forty five million dollars a year over three what his deal is like roughly a third of the value of your calls because it's roughly a third of the duration of your contract. Yes i mean. And then. And then i was saying the roughly. Give or take a few thirty mil here. Forty you get what i'm saying. And then people were tweeted something along the lines of like well you know. He may not have broken gear. Kohl's total value for for dollars. The highest paid player in baseball for the year value. Paid more than mike trout a lot more. That's that's the thing to say. What are you doing today nothing. what about tomorrow. Nothing about two days from now fucking nothing. What about the next day after that off. Pitch that day trevor. Bauer is making ten million more dollars than mike trout over the last two years of his deal. These making five million more in two thousand twenty one and then twenty. Two twenty three is making ten million more dollars. A year. Like mike trout We could say this about miggy. We could say this about kershaw. We can say this about ver- lander but like mike. Trout is one thousand percent active hall of famer. And you're making more money than that active hall of fame right sure. More bigger than kershaw. Meghan trout more money than maybe more but my trout is a bucket player on the planet current hall of famer. And you're making ten billion dollars. More than mac guy. I mean i guess that's just more of a tip of the cap to trial because it's like he was asked the question. How much more fucking money do you really need. 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I know it doesn't really hit you until you show up in spring training and you see your new threads but have you Has it hit you yet. you're now a member of the chicago white sox and part of something that could be very very special in twenty twenty one Yeah especially you start ramping up. Once you get off the mound and you start getting excited to be down there a warm weather throw to hitters. Have have you guys. Nary you start to start to get the ideas of what a what a season could be and you get excited about it. I need to ask health cited. Where you lance when you realized oh slimming pinstripes. These are going to be a thing for me now. Now i i mean that is nice. Don't get me wrong on that a long time ago the bigger i am the better i am so i'm good at math equals gas. Maybe that's right. Explain that to people and explain that to people. Because i myself had spent my adult life by tucker trying to pack on. Can i get to one seventy please. So i don't fucking blow in the wind like there's actual truth to mass equals gas. And how are you able to sort of just come to terms with that and say look. I don't need the eight-pack i don't need. All that issue got fastballs. And that's really. All i throw and i get these fucking guys out with that like i don't need that over time. You realize that you know this is my body so this is who i am. So how am i gonna use it semi damage like you said. I was one seventy when i was like twelve years old. So i've always been a big boy So i was like you know what everybody wants you to be skinny. They want you to be viability. They want you to be cut but half the guys that i know that are that are injured. A lot was like how to be. Who i'm gonna be. Am i going to stay healthy in how i'm going to be the best i can be and i've learned how to manage it. Learn how to make the body moved away at once you even though it might look big and out of shape but i'm just as flexible on just athletic as the rest of them. I just might look at so. I enjoy that too. Kind of sneaks. Up won't people. How cool is it to go from free agency where it's like you might be fielding. Some one year offers to then be sought after as a trade piece where it's like. Hey we're going for it this year and we want lance lynn to be a part of that just shows you that you know what you do on the field and you try to go out there and help. Your team won everyday. Pays off You know sometimes this game will humble you real quick and it has over my career but i try to go out and do everything. I can't team won that day. Then on pitching four and it's working out and that's younger to be. And that's what i've always been and had that opportunity to go to a team that won sewing and wants to go for. It is exciting. Because that's why play the game. So jared makes a great point about sort of how things have come full circle because you're now the commodity the sought after the hired gun like this dude right here. This is a needle mover. Not only for the fans at home who've got their needle moving because you're now joining the club but everybody thinks their chances are a hell of a lot better. You were a part of some ridiculous rotations. Salty vets included very early on in your career guys like carpenter guys like way no Shit who wants Westbrook jake was in their own kyle loesch edwin jackson. I had i had some of the some of the old boys right. that's absolute. Oh jeez so. What has what has been something that they have left you with that you have taken through the rest of your career that has found you at this point where you're sort of like those guys the hired guns the the needle movers. I think overtime that you're with each of them. In each of them were different individuals. They did things differently. They went about their work differently. They all competed When it was their time to play an in between the lines and didn't give a damn how they felt they were gonna do everything they can to leave it online that day. And that's something that was like an ingrained me growing up with my dad's. I don't care how you do it but it's just one fits one at bat one way to help your team when that day. If you do that who cares how does or how you feel so that helped me a lot and then you kind of learn from each of them and then what you do is what am i good at. I'm not gonna stay good at it. And then the other things that i might not be as good at. I'm gonna slowly bring those up with what makes me who i am. Then you become a complete player and that's what you know. It takes time but they they able to teach me. I and i was able to just kind of keep working and find my wet. So obviously you've found the greatest success in your career the last couple of years. So is it a point where you adjust your offseason workouts in routine as you go because of age or is it like your every offseason. You're experimenting with something like let's see if this works going into this season like what was what was the evolution of your offseason preparation for a big league season to get you to the point where you know you're working on a potentially a third straight top ten sei-yung finish You know it's changing years early on your career. When you come up with an organization you have to do what they tell you. If you don't get a chance to experiment or doing like that so you might be doing things it your body type or or what. What feels good or what will actually worked for. You might not 'cause it's kind of a generic way of doing things. So what i've learned over my time play with multiple organizations now is gonna do. What's good for me. I got a s- chinky conditioning coach. That's with me or my god. I can call and do all that. That's thing i'd four. Different shrink coaches within a fifteen month period. So it's like all right. How how am. I gonna do me and figure it out. So i got sean cochran. Who's strengthening conditioning guy. Out of san diego Dozen golfers and stuff like that. And i with my body type and stuff like that. I needed to be more flexible. Be able to do more things like that and also got back with my pitching coach that have grown up with and they they were able to work together to find a routine. Find a program that works for me and got back to what i what got me drafted. What got me a college scholarship things like that instead of trying to sink your baler and stuff like that it's gonna four seam ryan people don't like it okay. Look good thing. Is i was able to develop those singers in cutters over my time in saint louis and now use those complimentary pitches steamer and then next thing. You know boom. I was able to incorporate all that together. And then my guy Pitching guy that had since swaggers old we. He's it would. It is not my language. So i was okay. Here's what i think. Here's what he's like. All right you're not smart as you think you are. Here's how you're going to do it. Here's how we're going to be good at it and this is what we did. And that's j. Lear out of indianapolis and it was one of those things where everything quick and finally it was like. I gotta be me and it felt like. I felt free and it's been awesome. That's that's gotta be that as absolutely gotta be a free feeling probably mentally more so than anything else we talked about some of the vets that you had come into the rotation with guys that you were surrounded by. I'm want to take you back to that time and that lance lynn. And now i want you to think about a young guy that you have in your rotation a guy like dylan cease and let's say he comes into the building with that approach. Like i've got my pitching coaches. I've got my nutritionist. I've got all of these guys here. I've got my team in place to help me do what i wanna do. And not that. He's not ready or willing to adapt to what the organization has put in place but he has come into camp or has come into the fold with the team around him. That's helped him get to where he is today. Is that as well received if it's lance lynn. Back in two thousand eleven in saint louis as it is received today across the game for young guys. Oh hell no no but you know times have changed a little bit because a lot of these younger kids are coming up. They've had all these things their whole lot on. They had personal changer. Don't think i lifted a got omit doing throw a baseball. What do i need to go with. It's like come on now. and then games evolved. I think the big thing that. I'll tell the young guys when they come in now if you have a plan and you are able to. I l. that team. His is how i do it. I would like you know you. You're kinda just be open with them and do everything you need to do. But also if you don't stick to what you say you're gonna do that's when you're gonna get yourself in trouble so it's like a man of your word and do what you say do and then also be open. There's things that you can learn every day in this game if you keep your mind open and all that that you weren't even expecting to learn so there's something learned maybe not might not work for you but you can learn the hey. This doesn't work from. This isn't the way. I need to do things because it doesn't fit my pitching or my body type of things like that but i also know that. Hey i paid attention to it. So you got the attention to be open and things but you also don't fully change who you are either. There's there's gotta be like a give and take there. I think that's a big thing and communications key for sure If you could boil it down to one particular moment for both of these like was there a moment where you're thinking to yourself like it's a moment of adversity or failure and you had a thought in your mind where you're like. I don't belong here and then was there a moment where you had a defining moment where you're like i absolutely belong here you talking like in the major leagues belongs. Yeah i mean i. I felt like that since i was twelve years old. That was what i was gonna do and You know that's i think it helps twelve. I played little league world series. So i've had the highest supplies plan league series. And i gave up a walk off grand slam so i could kick you right in the south so serious. Oh yeah i can give up a homer now. And i wanna where i all. It is what i want to do and This is and that's the only thing that i enjoy doing. I enjoy playing. Sports played all three. So i'm joy competing and was one of those things this was due and there was never a time where i didn't think along there was a time. Figure something out mallory. You're about to get slammed down. Minor leagues if you don't want that so you have to always be evolving you off. They always be trying to figure things out knowing what you're doing and then i think the big thing is i just learned hitters. Learn what they do figured out what they do what they're going to try again do against me. You know some guys do different things through different at bats. Instead of just saying the one mind approach you've got to be able to command both sides of the plate up down in out and and keep them off balance by by making sure they you inside too. You know we touched on. I was kind of giving you shit about the pinstripes early on when you just mentioned three sport athlete in high school. You're an athlete. You are athletic. You know how to move in your skin. There is no doubt about that. So take us back to little lance. Lynn days we lance younger landslide. I won't say little also say was off. Football baseball basketball was. Oh yes words you were playing. Those are the three and it was It whenever i can plan to game whether it was a A tackle football game in the street in the neighborhood or pick up basketball game in the park. It was a it was non. Stop whatever can do. And if i couldn't find anybody. I was thrown a tennis ball outside the house diving for it or not off the side of the house so messed up some brick on the house back the date this data off the other we were good. Get you out there. Mortared shit up. What was your what was your was baseball. The go-to was baseball. The best sport for you by far and away. Yeah i mean when. I was little since i was bigger. And everybody on. You enjoy basketball. Grown up in indiana. You're like you gotta play basketball. You all always knew that so that was always fun. Because when you're literally just keeps you it just keeps going up down you know all that good stuff But baseball baseball took over. Pretty quick. And then football fizzled out. 'cause pay. You can't miss to it as in football because you're going to summer baseball tournament and i'm like peace. I'm not trying to die in the two days. I here i'm gonna go. I'm gonna go to florida playing a baseball tournament at the beats are now we go so just just taking a look because i did. We've had a guy named ricky who. I'm sure you're familiar with on us. And we ask him a question about his amateur days. And you know bid moments just moments of domination. He kind of looked at us like that's that's kind of too easy for me. Obviously you guys don't don't know about me and we're like well. Can you pick one. He was like well. You know my senior year. I through nine no hitters and we took hold on fuck nine. So that's in florida to the seat is play. Yeah those h. e. so what has been your. Because i mean looking at some of these high school numbers for your junior year. You hit north of five hundred. Are you fucking kidding. Me rate fourteen. I fourteen my senior to can't buy it in the big leagues though. It's crazy how it works so it was fun. It was fun. I mean i was thinking about this when i graduated high school. I was six foot five. Two hundred sixty five pounds like this. I've been this since i was sixteen years old. So that's a clock. You just learn how to do it in the game. It was weird. The game was kind of easy. Because i was a pitcher in because i knew all the things that i did pitching when i it. It's like oh there's a big guy in the box here comes break good thanks. I got a slow bat speed homer like this is an half the guys tip. Sounds like this in like everyone's like what do you mean you knew what was coming out like duty. Does this breaking does not cedar figured out just watching and like that was too quick for some guys that i grew up with and the game was slow to me. It was easy whether it was even played for space. I was pretty good. Pretty good athlete on first base back could pick. It could do any. Do everyone's like highly do miles like it was well these other kids. Yeah these other. Little bastards are worried about the little baby. Piglet sected science class. And you're out here. Picking up guys tipping their breaking ball. So so what was somebody else. That second my pig. So so what was your to your memory. Your your most special or you're just ridiculous feet. On a baseball field. As an amateur growing up in india there was some funding when your planet's at twelve you can't really beat that you know especially because that's what you're you're watching and like i wanna do that. I remember joking with todd frazier. He went the year before me. I was like dude. I'm going there next year. And because i watch dot frazier. I'd had the success that todd did so this off Those are the things and then you go to high school you through. I mean you strike out. Twenty guys in a game had it a couple armored. You're like oh. This is fun and my dad would always get mad because i would just hit two homers in instead of going up there and take my third three and strike just strike out trying to hook the ball down the line so It was just one of those things where you know as i can pretty much call but i wanted to call and this a lot of people around town but it was If i look back at if i look back at it now until eighteen hey payment down a notch. Enjoy it as much as you think they do. I mean like but now now going to the white sox like you got some teammates. Now that a they liked to pimp it a little bit like they like to pull off flavor on it. Is that something you know coming from. You know like your early beginnings to where you were kind of got like you could mass yourself and now as a big league pitcher. Do you have an appreciation for hitters. That have a little bit more flare like knowing that there are a lot of guys that pitch in the big leagues. that don't know what it feels like to hit an absolute tank. And you do like how. What's your thought process on the guys. That style homers. I got no problem with it. Really if that's who you are and that's what you're about. I totally respect this. Game's about expressing yourself expressing through your now when i was coming up and saint louis days. If that happened it was like. Oh my goodness some some sums. Not something i don't really know So the games obviously changed because we want that we want to. We want kids to enjoy watching our game now. There comes a time where it's like. Hey you're literally just trying to show that guy up. That's when i'm off. The guy deserved it. I got no problem with it like so. That's where it comes to like if a guy shows you up because he's just trying to show you up now on strike you out and our show you back you gotta deal with it now. The guys that hit home runs in big situations or agai hitting and then. He got him the next time. It's like hey you're allowed to me. I hit you and if you think you purpose. And we'll talk about it later. And i'll if i didn't hit you on purpose like hey you got me good. I'm gonna strike out next time you go get your glove like there's this talent and i'm okay with it i think everybody's gonna be open to it and there's times when it's not needed but it's also if that's who you are near and everybody both sides have it so don't act like your team's not doing everyone's doing so which is the most respectful way weekend but enjoy playing a game that's all about to gain joy it show who you are now that you are going to be getting acquainted with their new teammates. You've obviously got some guys in that. Rotation that have had some dirt under their spikes. They've gotten it done. Do you feel any pressure or any need to have to come in and be a leader of sorts. Have this come to. Jesus talk with everybody. This is what we're gonna do this or is it sort of. Just come in get acclimated. Everybody knows what you can do. The back of the card says what it says. Let's get to work. How do you handle that. I used to let it be natural If you try to force things and it's not organic it's it just goes on deaf ears You know that plan and you got a guy coming locker room and it's like this is how it's going to go this house. Go you like timeout. I'm done this. I know what i'm doing it so it's like hey you show who you are what you're about and you are. You preach every day and then that's how that's out takes care of itself. It guys want my help. I'm more willing to help them their things. I'm gonna learn from these guys too and that's where it's all about. You can't think you're above anybody and you can't talk to anybody. 'cause we're all men here. We're all playing a game. We're all trying to feed our families and that's what it's all about so let's respect each other and what's worse garden. Let's figure out when got was. Go ahead good said. Do you have a favorite john. Lackey story now. You mentioned him early as saint louis. He is an absolute gem of human beings. Yes he is he was my man. I was going through all kinds of stuff in life. I had i had a tommy. I was i needed. Tommy john The last year he was there. I was pitching through and he did the same thing when he was in Boston one year out his ups and downs there and he just kind of helped me get through a lot of things in life. And he's just he's just the truth but you're asking the question he's gonna tell you feels but he's also going to tell you how to help you how to you know. Figure it out and you know the old saying john. Lackey told me that if you're going to with the algae berbie open source eagles so he can do everyone. But you've never be able to show the hell out and play when you stop The best that's the best ever. That is the best ever. I as you get your workout in. That's that's what i'm talking about. That's the kind of veteran. That's the kind of veteran prodding. The sort of veterans like this is how should is going to go. And that's kind of what i was getting to is because the guys that you're getting ready to join like they've been around the block maybe not as many times but they've got an idea and it's always good when you have guys like you showing up and it's it's wonderful just to talk to him because you do get a sense that you're very real. You're very genuine. You're gonna show up into that room and it's going to be very organic. You're not there to try to be anybody's big brother to show anybody how to do something that they have been doing correctly. You're just there to be a part of the club to be the guy that you've been. Is there a moment that you had with the cardinals as a young guy where you were brought into that fold and you were still just sort of fly on the wall but maybe it's that first dinner out with the pitchers maybe it's at first outing. You know what i'm talking about. What was that like for you and can you kind of. Do you recall that moment. Yeah man i remember it was probably. I think it was my second or third year. And you're looking at all right. We we started gain and the i don't remember who was pitching next day but it was loesch westbrook and carpenter. So i'm guessing winner had to be in the next day So i'm sitting there after the game. I pitch at a pretty decent game and they were like hey Hotel lobby hotel bar. And i'm like what am i i. I like true like you come in. And it's like we sat there. And just for i think about two and a half hours just sitting there and think about hour and a half to two hours of. Nobody's even having a jank. It was just sitting there talking shop doing all that so it was like you just kinda it was one of those things where men okay and then you get early on your career. You had to sit in the middle of the plane. He had to look for. You look back and we had to go to the bathroom. It was up front. You don't go back and reclaim the other bath. That's that's where the boys back there that have earned it. Don't even try to come back past the exit row. Don't even attempt to i remember. There's a time and during this time there's a k. Come on back. And i'm like okay okay. And then as i got a little too like comfy carpenter goes they're going back in dang it you know it's like one of those things where you just you just learn you you you learn your way earn your time and then you you know as long as you are they. That's what they did. They taught me how to work every day and they had to be who. I'm going to be in be that same person. Don't change good bad up down when things are going right. You don't change when things are going bad. You don't change your always the same guy and you're always working and be there for your boys one more question we have. We have a last question but one more question before we get to that the moment and yankee stadium the sixteen to one game you come out of the bullpen. You'd take a little tumble. Is that a moment where you can. You laugh that offer. You like pissed that you're like goddamn like this like a playoff game. Everyone's watching sage shit out here like are you able to like what is your because i would have. I probably would've locked off the field stewart. Been there been there. Dallas dallas brayden kicked stack of cops. That bounced off the back wall of dugout and then hid himself in the forehead with them. So that's probably what. I've been known to throw a few things that come back at ya. Some shoot him back. You know right when it happened. Damn new york anti-bear but new york and has a happened. Thought that kind of bit to offer ends. Everything's fine dan though slip. I only know what happened as i slipped right through all right. Well that's that's what after the game luiz damn new spice got too much on them. I didn't know the over. That's where land just walking back and forth across the trainer's room. You've got the door open. You're not walking ed. But you're just walking by like come in. I left sl is barking tomorrow morning. Love it all right. We'll lance thanks for the time and the question that we ask each and every one of our guests if you had the opportunity to jump in a hot tub time machine regular time tiny seen so much better take you back in time to any moment in baseball history. You jump out of that hot tub time machine. What baseball moment are you watching. And why is it baseball for me. It's going to figure out what the baby was. all about. Our i mean they're right and trains. He had his own train car in the back. I'm going to be in that train car game. I want to talk with the baby train car. That's that's gonna talk about lance. That isn't necessarily learn the game right there. That is the best answer that is the most original answer that we have ever gotten on this and it is probably my favorite answer at this point in time. Because i am a massive george herman ruth thin jerry. I want to see what the babes about believes guy exists. Yeah he's a mythical character these fictional train car back in time. He is like he. He was in his own his own thing. Nothing better it happens today but at that time. This is a dude who was making more money than the president. Right he will he will. He ran iraq. Use his world. Ole entire united states sox landslide. Everybody big thank you to lance lynn for making the time dropping by starting nine for his first ever starting nine interview. Wow do you think do you think he was ready for me to come out him like question one about the size about the mass and gas. I feel like he took a little bit of pride and it wasn't like he was insulted at all. He was like yeah. Let's talk about that. Mass thank you throw cheese comfy. Oh it makes thanks for noticing. I really appreciate exactly. Yeah so. I don't think he anticipated being asked about falling down at yankee stadium during a playoff game though. Didn't see that we'll come ready though now us ready. And he's good sport about it braves fans. Let's go fucking by the way i. I'm a brewers fan diehard for license twenty sixteen and seventeen sixteen seventeen. Seventeen seventy yeah. That's when cia. Went there Diehard brewers fan for life. i love milwaukee. I want to raise my kids there. But i am. I'm getting pretty comfy and brave nation right now like these people like they're my fucking people. I mean brewers fans they are undoubtedly people but these braves fans dallas i have never been more enticed to just you are the most fair weather fucker dallas i have never in my life been more enticed to become unbiased in join an actual sports organization than i have been with the atlanta braves fans and rake of major league baseball. The are you the drake fan. I don't have a favorite team. I don't have a favorite team. But like if i do you got thirty of them. That's right. i love all thirty teams. But i feel like the atlanta braves might love them a little bit more than the others right now and i gotta say talking to kevin clancy this miserable mets fan. Who hates everything. He was trying to tell me last year. That like braves fans don't exist and i was like take one fucking look at my mentions anytime that i give love to the atlanta braves there are billions of them and they've fucking loved his baseball team like they love the braves and i know that like that may not always be reflected in their attendance. But they're out there. I mean it's the same thing with Like what other. There's plenty of markets like the white sox like teams that don't do well attendance wise but do great in terms of viewership on television like the atlanta. Braves like we had we have to do a live show in atlanta. We have to do the braves. Have the braves have absolutely been here like they are. Tbs baby tbs. Exactly ted teddy ballgame. Put the braves in everybody's lab. He put the braves in everybody's living like the braves fan base. Like i think i don't know. Am i gonna sit. I'll say i'll say. I feel like the braves fan base early on cast a wider net. Maybe then The yankees fan base but the yankees fan base was much more aggressive much more vocal And i'm not. I'm not saying that it's like not even close. It just feels like with the advent of tbs early on braves fans were were everywhere and yankees fans are everywhere as well. The best traveling fan base in baseball. Really not as second thought in my mind but it did for awhile. It felt like the pres. Like that's who you're talking about your fucking talking about the ninety s anyway. I grew up watching a lot of braves baseball. Not just because they were on. Tbs and had access to