20 Episode results for "Kwami"

Inventors Week Song Morning (11-7-2020)

Chompers

03:08 min | 5 months ago

Inventors Week Song Morning (11-7-2020)

"Chompers ear morning ninety tooth brushing show. Let's brush aside on the top of your mouth and brush the outside the inside and the chewing side every two three. It's inventors week on chompers and today we have a song. I've got a lot of great ideas for inventions. And i'm really excited to tell my friend kwami about them. Kwami is a rapper. And he's really cool. And i think he's really gonna like my ideas when we're singing. Don't forget to listen for. That's when you're supposed to switch your rushing to another part of your mouth. Hey kwami. I just had an amazing idea all right. Do you know how you wanna listen to music. But you always want to pick out the songs. What if someone else did that they just pick. And you listen and maybe it comes out of like boxers. Hold oh wait a minute. You didn't know it's already been invented. The radio dr. chandra bose. Yeah he did it my favorite songs in the car. That's how i listened thanks. Jc be okay. Okay so that is already taken. What about you know how bad down and everything spills out of it. What if he made a bag. That didn't do that like it's flat on the bottom or something hold. Oh wait a minute. You didn't know it's already been invented. The flat bottom paper bags game that's right. It holds my groceries type. Thanks to margaret de luise night. Okay margaret was bad back. Okay here's another one You know how people have dogs and cats as pets. What have you can keep a fish a pet. We do make some sort of clear box. We could fill it with water and then you put the fishing it. Is that a good idea. Hold up wait a minute. You didn't know it's already been invented. The aquarium thanks maria beasley. Nemo fish have a home in swim. Easel split splash maria This isn't going very well. Okay one last idea. One of there was a show. And you listen to it while you brushed your teeth. So you don't get bored rachel. Are you serious. What hold up. Wait a minute. You didn't know it's already been intended. Oh called shoppers. And it's done for today but we'll be back tonight. You've done a great job brushing now. It's time to change jumpers production of gimblett media.

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S2 E18: United States v. Kwame Kilpatrick

Crimetown

36:41 min | 1 year ago

S2 E18: United States v. Kwame Kilpatrick

"Hey crime town listeners. I'm rob one of the crime town. Producers are team spent a year investigating crime and political corruption in detroit to make season two and let me tell you the stories are just getting started. Don't wait a week for the next episode. Listen to all of season two today. Go crime town dot v._i._p. Where you can listen in the spotify rap or on your desktop. This was one of the biggest stories to come along in a long time and in detroit. That's not a small statement. We have big big news all the time here and this was huge. This is how could tallow. She covered kwami kilpatrick federal corruption trial for w x._y._z. t._v. Tv in detroit absolutely fascinating to watch this process unfold after so many years of this investigation going on and if these charges are proven the former mayor and his co-defendants defendants could be going to prison for decades climbing is associates or charged with extortion bribery and and bid-rigging for a total of forty five counts so it was just sort of this culmination of things that we'd all heard about covered over the two years all coming together and it was very powerful basically said city hall was for sale. These are the people that sold it. One of his co-defendants was the guy caught on tape shaking down a major sledge contractor in our last episode. Mommy's father bernard aka maestro the feds allege bernard took in more than six hundred thousand dollars in cash gifts and private jet trips to exotic places and then failed to pay income tax on most if not all of it bribes talking to her own work for city take out private businessman a consult but the focus of the trial was kwami kilpatrick himself himself. We've seen kwami kilpatrick in so many courtrooms for so many different things that just sort of the fact of life now you know he's been to prison. He's he's had the restitution hearings and here we are again in court but now we're in federal court says a whole different ballgame and it's very the heavy you realize when you've got the full weight of the government coming against these defendants instead. This is very very serious. This was the big daddy. This was rico last episode. A federal investigation known as operation bombay dreams uncovered a web of corruption option in detroit and the former mayor was charged with running a criminal enterprise out of city hall today. It's the united states versus kwami kilpatrick. I'm john white welcome to crime town. We were looking at a large organized conspiracy of criminals that were in city government in person at the top of that is climbing kilpatrick interesting where granville for little guy doesn't know favorite white away from the sweeping thirty eight count indictment accuses kwami kilpatrick and his cohorts of a wide ranging racketeering conspiracy involving extortion bribery and fraud this time i'm not guilty and i feel very strongly about fighting for myself and fighting for what is right the truth we prepared. I prepared prepared more for this trial than any other trial than i've ever had there. Were one hundred witnesses in the case. There was seven hundred exhibits and there was over for ten thousand pages of trial transcript. This is assistant u._s. Attorney marchenko you met him last episode. When he oversaw the federal investigation into kwami kwami kilpatrick now the investigation was over and it was time to go to court september twenty first twenty twelve qualms trial began <music>. Even experienced prosecutor is going to have some nerves on the first day of a trial. We've been preparing for this for quite a while al and <hes> we didn't even really know what to expect. We decided we were going to start small. We're gonna talk about small fraud <hes> in part because we knew that at least some of the jurors we're going to give him the benefit of the doubt because of his public service and so we wanted to try to start right away at a smaller level to show this guy is up to no good according to the prosecution when of kwami smaller frauds was stealing money from the kilpatrick civic fund a charity he set up to do neighborhood improvement work but but in fact he had used over half a million dollars <hes> for his own personal purposes to pay for things like yoga lessons that he and some of his bodyguards would have used the money to offer an expensive vacation that he went with his family in his second term as mayor kwame kilpatrick spent more than eighty six hundred dollars here at the five star acosta resort but the money wasn't his it was supposed to help some of you he he called a c._p._a. As a defense witness who was an expert in five oh one c. four which is what the kilpatrick civic fund is this is bob. Beckmann is the f._b._i. Agent met last episode one day he was sitting in the courtroom when quantities lawyer called an accountant to testify as an expert witness in so he's up there on on the witness stand and he's being asked questions by kilpatrick lawyer in the way that kilpatrick tried to legitimize these expenses were it either has is to be to further the advancement of the fun for the stated purpose the second thing that you could say to legitimize it was it was calculated to try to raise even more funds for for the for the charity okay then the prosecutor got up and ask the c._p._a. To review some of the more peculiar expenses so he puts up a a lease and a cadillac. He says this be legitimate expense in a c._p._a. Says well that that could be allowable and he throws throws up yoga lessons in their witness their c._p._a. Bursts out laughing and says not even close and and everyone in the courtroom percent lance everyone except kwame kilpatrick. The jurors are laughing. Every reporters in the gallery are laughing at it was just absolutely ridiculous next assistant u._s. Attorney marchenko moved onto the bigger allegations like kwami taking bribes for cd contracts the detroit water and sewage department. <hes> was where all the money could be found. He was the third largest water and sewage department in in the united states and <hes> the mayor and his buddies figured out this is where the money was to be had and so that's where we took the trial next was basically below the street level into the sewers chuck. Oh told the jury about bernard kilpatrick shakedown of in executive from a big sludge processing company which the f._b._i. Had caught on a wire in november. Nobody on attack on smaller local contractors contractors were shaken down as well from the age of six or seven. I was you know following my dad around to various various worksites and that's pretty much how it started for me. This is a detroit businessman name. Odell jones the interview. You're hearing is from an f._b._i. Training video at the peak we were in the ten to twelve million dollar a year arena with <hes> thirty six employees. I started looking at you know ways to expand our market share and and started looking at public work <hes> it's hard to even it's hard to even describe this culture. It's starts small ball. Someone comes to you and says you know the mayor's having a fundraiser. You need to buy tickets. That's perhaps the most innocuous acuse way that it could begin but then you started being encouraged to partner noor with a friend of the mirror and that's when the pitcher started to get kind of bleak the friend of the mayor he would be at meetings where contracts were actually awarded by the city and you would be told prior to the meeting that if he did not want you to get a job you wouldn't get a job. Odell is referring to another contractor a friend of mayor kwame kilpatrick and his codefendant in the federal royal trial guy by the name of bobby ferguson for bobby ferguson courtrooms are nothing new when he was a teenager he was charged for beating a man in the head with a baseball baseball bat outside a sports bar d. y. And firearms charges litter his lengthy rap sheet by the time he was only thirty five ferguson had been arrested twelve times things bobby ferguson had checkered past but with his friend running city hall ferguson rose to become one of detroit's most successful minority contractors now gimme gimme the f._b._i. Caught him on a wiretap talking to the mayor's father. Would you want what you you need to do. I really would like to run but basically we explained how these guys together had rigged bids how they had bullied contractors jurors to partner with ferguson and how basically they'd cut themselves in to a lot of the most expensive infrastructure projects in the city. It was this alleged conspiracy that allowed the federal government to charge kwami his father bernard his friend bobby ferguson with breaking a law originally designed to bring down the mafia rico the racketeering influenced and corrupt organizations agents act prosecutors argued that kwami was essentially running an organized crime ring out of the mayor's office they called it the kilpatrick criminal enterprise and approve it marchenko and his team had a little help from an old boy of these text messages federal prosecutors unleashed a slew of tax ax messages and the kilpatrick corruption trial as tax covered everything from kwami kilpatrick and bobby ferguson discussing housing project deals to chatter about messing with city permits for other business owners. The feds are likely using the texts to try showed. The defendants were conspiring together as part of their alleged criminal enterprise. We called the text messages basically a crime scene frozen in time something that you could graphs you could turn in any angle you wanted and you could see it for for what it's worth. These were the words of the defendants they weren't our words and one of the people disgusting those text messages was a certain contractor just trying to win a job <hes> with the city the businessman you heard from earlier odell jones we had text messages between bobby abby ferguson and quantity kilpatrick laughing about the pathetic efforts of odell jones to try to get an audience with the mayor and his family and basically quickly they just crushed him and they laughed at him and we showed those text messages to the jury and we said these guys weren't there to promote minority in order to business enterprises. These guys were there to promote themselves when odell jones took the stand in the federal trial. The jury got a good look at the real cost of corruption in detroit. It became known to me. I understood that to be favored. You know <hes> compensation was expected. I knew how to get the job and i couldn't bring myself to do it. I apologize and then the backlash the ramifications modifications the chatter becomes disguise done. He's not he's not going to do any more work and the thing that hits you. I the thing that hits you hardest. Is you start to witness or sense sense a level of despair among your employees. They begin to question mm-hmm why others and not us. I don't know if anyone understands this but i loved my employees. He's so. I put a good face on it. I tried to explain you. Just keep working at it until you get it right. I couldn't walk walk in and say. I think we lost that job because i didn't agree to do something and i want to be honest with you. It's so painful to think about this. This is this is bad it is it's bad so unnecessary <music> <music>. This episode of crime town is brought to you by simply safe. Simply safe provides thome security systems built to protect you from things like break ins something. I was talking about the other day with john one of the crime producers as anyone ever broken into your house sir very long time ago i had somebody come in from the roof roof and steal all my stereo equipment <hes> for a while when i got in the house. I wasn't aware that i'd said it had been broken into right until i got into the bedroom where had my stereo equipment and it was gone and there was a window and it felt violated. Yeah i mean they didn't take anything else. I didn't really have anything else of value right but that was it. My stereo break ins or awful no matter what simplisafe save offers home security for less than the cost of traditional systems to get started go to simplisafe dot com slash crime town. That's simplisafe dot com slash crime. I'm down for months now. Prosecutors have been trying to persuade a jury in the kilpatrick trial how they say the former former mayor his father and bobby ferguson got millions of dollars in shady deals and today prosecutors city of detroit was watching the trial of kwami kilpatrick bernard kilpatrick and bobby ferguson unfold on the news but it wasn't clear if the mayor himself had taken bribes for assistant u._s. Attorney marchenko it was time time to follow the money the cash that was going in to kill patrick's <hes> bank accounts. This was basically what we described as the smoking gun one of the case one thing that we saw that was is quite striking to us is that over the course of this conspiracy bobby ferguson's companies withdrew something to the tune of two point point three million dollars in cash from their coffers and companies do need petty cash from time to time but two point three million made absolutely no sense to us so we were able to basically juxtapose all of this cash that was flowing out of body for since accounts with all of this cash that was flowing into kwami kilpatrick sr accounts and then then we would couple that with text messages between the two of them were they would have these furtive meetings. Hey meet me at this park or come over here immediately. Just just you and me need to see you alone for thirty minutes when you looked at it collectively with all of the money that was flowing into kilpatrick accounts out of ferguson's accounts lead you to the strong inferences that these guys were sharing money and they were sharing lots of it. Did you witness call me. Taking bribes never beyond never seen him. Take a bribe never we. I went around him that he took bribes. This is dan milton a former assistant of kwami. He's he testified at the trial. We didn't take cash ash- him take cash essay from banaria he took your is bernard and actually we out in out in about an and how did you know vacations and stuff. When i'm around bobby and stuff the he would give them money. You're supposed supposed to do that as elected official right. You don't supposed to accept cash gifts. That's now gives an kind really away. From my understanding. I mean probably say when i say gave him money. It was like him and bobby good friend so him bobby they hung out and bobby would rephrase that the bobby would give him in the his father would give them money whatever the case may be so when i say people get money that money with wedding coming from somebody else one coming from the city coffers a wedding coming from the civic front. It was coming from people. He knew anyone like it was here. Give me money because you know i'm doing stuff with the city is because you know i know no. I'm well off. I've been well off for a while. You know we've gone on this trip. Here's some money for you know we spend the money that you know that we doing on the trip so we didn't think of that as being out of out of the norm or anything so we asked kwami about about those cash gifts you do some stupid things and it may be on the line of being an ethical <hes> but it's not illegal and if if if if there was an unethical prison not should be there. What did you do them with. That was unethical. Well you know just accept a ah watch. <hes> you know not from a contractor or to have a party for your birthday and you say you have caskets for. It's not illegal. It's just crazy. I had my wedding reception. <hes> and i did the same thing we say cast gifts before i i had my thirtieth birthday party cassius for cake brought all these day and and so it wasn't like this new mayor and now he's ethic with how <laughter> i was doing that when i was crazy and twenty five crazy in thirty crazy when i graduated from law school at the same thing. It didn't crazy of course my thirty six birthday. The difference is you get ten thousand one. There's one another when he gets out of the out <hes> and so if there's a difference now is that illegal absolutely absolutely not it after you shouldn't do it because of how it looks but assistant u._s. Attorney mark chuck. Oh sees do things differently. Well well that that that's an a convenient excuse and they actually tried that at trial and that didn't really hold any water her for the the jury at all i mean we looked at his just his banking activity. We looked at the amount of money that he legitimately had had coming into his bank versus. How much money flowed out of it remember in our last episode. The feds had discovered that kwami had hundreds of thousands of dollars lers unexplained deposits in his bank accounts. There was a differential of eight hundred and forty thousand dollars close to a million dollars had flowed out more than he could legitimately show. I would be shocked to hear that he was able to gather eight hundred third and forty thousand dollars from birthday parties and from other sorts of galas that <hes> he may have hosted. I know he's a popular guy but i'm sorry he wasn't that popular and with that the prosecution rested their case after six months of trial qualms fate was put in the hands of the jury and the jury the quality kilpatrick federal corruption trial began their deliberations today experts saying it could take a couple of weeks for in the city of detroit anxiously awaited the verdict go. We are praying for quantum. Kill batch and we're thanking him for the good. Thank you after three weeks assistant u._s. Attorney marchenko geico got word that the jury had reached a verdict we immediately ran over to the courthouse and i think that the news media heard about it as soon is we had because the place was packed by the time we got there to the i talked to one of the attorneys just <hes> just moments ago actually and the butterflies in the stomach i mean is it no matter which the way it goes i mean you could tell there was some tension in the room. There was just kind of quiet murmurings amongst the the people in the gallery as i recall call mr kilpatrick and dhabi ferguson we're kind of smiling and murmuring to each other and joking around. We were quite stoic. We did not talk with each other. We sat down quietly and waited for the verdict and so i mean i guess what crossed our minds is. Do they know something that we don't this long ordeal and now how she is asking the verdict then this is all right. Let's go on the judge comes into the room we all rise and at that point she calls in the jury and they <hes> file into the room. They were all looking pretty serious. They were looking straight down at their shoes. As they gathered they did not really wanna make eye contact with anybody. All right count one racketeering conspiracy kwame kilpatrick guilty guilty follow follow on your screen with us guilty racketeering the biggest of the charges count to extortion kwami kilpatrick guilty count free extortion should be guilty. If it's consistent consistent aid is guilty guilty. You know cout line rico guilty count two guilty count three guilty count for guilty reporter. Heather guitao was outside the courthouse the day the verdict came in five guilt. Emmy just goes on and on and on and count eighteen. We're beginning in a bunch of mail fraud and wire fraud charges here kwame kilpatrick guilty on eighteen nineteen mail fraud quantico patrick guilty this would want email fraud guilty kwami kilpatrick patrick twenty-one guilty and by the end of it twenty four counts guilty for comic. Oh patrick and i remember standing standing there with the rain pelting my face and just being like wow this is this is it <music> and it was just this moment of. We've cover this guy for so long. We've all live this roller coaster with him. As he's gone to prison gotten out of prison gone back at you know this this just this stranglehold he had detroit for so long and now he's done. It's done it was emotional. I mean there were times as a reporter. When i hated kwame kilpatrick he was so mean to us he was so mean and it hurt my heart what he did to detroit because i love my hometown i do and we we we have hard time we have had it hard and i feel like he set us back. You know i think he had so much promise and it was so exciting to have this young cool hip mayor and we were going to do great things that we're having a comeback and then we did not have come back and we got worse and i just feel like he just put us through the ringer ringer and i had compassionate at the same time i'm for him and for his kids i mean i'm a mom i felt pad for his kids and i remember seeing his face when he came out the door and as much as i hated that man at times i was like oh my god skies going away for a really long time. I just felt bad for his kids. That being said i think jerry made the right decision. Kilpatrick was sentenced to twenty eight years in prison his friend bob ferguson. The contractor got twenty one years as for his father bernard consultant. The jury was deadlocked on the biggest charges so he only got fifteen months only one tax charge of guilty guilty for bernard kilpatrick which honestly is not that surprising considering the way some of the evidence came in there was definitely some question about the level of bernard markelle patrick's involvement with certain things at least what some of the evidence that they were a stunned. Kwami kilpatrick was led out of the courtroom. When it came down so are you had sort of a a disbelief reaction. <hes> excuse me pardon me excusing voter all those taxpayers who spent all that money the baby's millions of dollars. Excuse me the city. Are you sorry attitude. How are you sorry kilpatrick son <music> so i'm trying to figure figure out where you are with the the case now do you do you maintain your innocence. Are you innocent. <hes> <hes> i was charged with reco conspiracy absolutely innocent of that and phase no. I'm the stupid decisions positions. I made ignorant. I was there getting price for a lot of ways and that's what i want people to understand but i stand expand on the fact that seems that was charged with in that courtroom. I am not guilty of you know. I wanna be able to ask questions. Take the case and about specifics of the case if that's okay with you. I thought you know that's kind of where we actually not okay. They can't do that. <hes> <hes> well first of all. I believe there's been a tremendous amount of confusion about which cases about what is uh all all of the information you have either from prostitutes or from some dude and and also the candidate up he'll and unraveling the information out there for years. <hes> college and i said well could have been false information that <hes> good recording came on the information. You put me in prison for twenty years and so what i'm not doing compromise in my freedom for you to have a quote unquote. Good interview wore our interview freedom what you're say john. I know i know what you're saying that they haven't been able to say what i'm saying is many well. There have been many who feel as though they're you know you would serve yourself well well by admitting to something some that you're you know some guilt. Are you saying you're innocent of all the charges that have been weighed against you john so you've had meetings question three times. I know but i wanna be clear about. It seems it seems farfetched from the evidence nice speak every time i ask you a question kwami about this. You seem to not want to answer it. No this is the first time that's i said that's the last video john every time. You've asked a question about this and listen. We've talked about personalized. We've talked about my children chilled. We've talked about christie. We've even talked about the courtroom that we've talked about innocence and guilt before but you now want me to have in-depth conversation about the specifics physics related to me and my faith while fighting my case based on the found baseball information that you have from the government and from the convictions of if if i'm telling something about king prison to reconnect my life. You don't give a damn about that but you say joe. That's that's that is. I hope you see. I hope you see because you want this so pay. I know it's not true. I didn't realize there. There was a line being drawn. You know what i mean so it puts me in john john when you come to the president to come over here stay for about a year and they this added conversation. I'm sure you have a different perspective. This is an area that i could not discuss because it's neither web is nor helpful salute expedient nor positive it anyway in moving towards truth and being set free. That's all aww hello here. Okay sounds like you're going to run out of time. I mean and i hope this is not the last time we talk. I mean we'll we'll be wrapping up the show <hes> whatever you'd like to say about you know the city of detroit. You know where you are today a day. In this the next week on the the final episode of crime town season two with kwami kilpatrick imprison detroit tries to move on john it crime town is marked swirling zach stewart pontiac. This season is made in partnership with gimblett media and spotify. This episode is produced by soya shockley rob zip. Go samantha and me john white the senior producer is drew nellis ellis editing by sax to ponte and marks merlin fact checking by jennifer black guy paul is shown in this episode was mixed sound design in scored by kenny kuzak original music. This season composed by homer stein weiss. We recorded some original music. Rustbelt studios in detroit in partnership detroit sound conservancy special. Thanks to carlton goals imerese peron ron ahead heard additional music by john cusack kenny kuzak in john ivan's additional mixing <unk> by bobby lord our theme song is politicians in my eyes by debt credit music this week is this is my home. This is detroit performed and by the blue pigs courtesy of the detroit historical society. Uh our cable research by brennan reese. Some of the audio in this episode appears courtesy of tim and tobias smith in their fill. Oh camp k. a documentary of kwami kilpatrick. Check it out additional archival material courtesy of w x._y._z. show art and and designed by james cabrera molise harbin. Thanks to the detroit free press peter bhatia jim shafer mary schrader melanie maxwell max ex white randy lundquist brendan rony larry mongo alley billionaires in everyone who shared their stories with us detroit's an amazing place and we're honored to tell a small part of its story. Alex bloomberg is the podfather. We're praying for you. Alex alex and we're thanking you for the good bob. Eh gretchen carlson made headlines when she filed a lawsuit accusing fox news president roger ailes of sexual harassment but before she took that step she needed to make sure that two people in particular particular hotter back her parents i can still see exactly where i was sitting and i was in the dark and they're both on the phone with me and they said we're behind you. I'm alex bloomberg on without fail from gimblett. I talked to all kinds of people about the ups and downs on the road to success was not spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Shattered Presents: Crimetown

Shattered: White Boy Rick

30:17 min | 2 years ago

Shattered Presents: Crimetown

"Hey, it's Kevin deeds. I hosted season two of shattered all about Rick where she junior AK white. Boy, Rick over the course of eight episodes. We told a lot of where she story something. We didn't get into though was the fact that were she actually knew the former mayor of Detroit Kwami Kilpatrick how well you probably know Kilpatrick political career ended in two thousand and eight when he was arrested on a number of charges. What you might not know is that he and Rik actually ended up in the same prison where she remembers the day Kilpatrick found out that he was going to be charged. Federally ultimately Kilpatrick was sentenced to twenty eight years for Mel fraud, wire fraud and racketeering on com. I want the phone. I said he was pale at best. I mean, it was probably he looked grain and help you what happened and why top a little bit not digested for days. And I told them I said, I know you think you're smarter than me. But I've been down this road and impelling you the best way to go. I wish you would've listened Twenty-eight years. I mean, he did a lot of damage. I don't think he deserved twenty years. Well today on our show. We're going to plan episode from another podcast. I think you're gonna love it's called crime town each season. They take a look at the culture of crime in a different American city this season there in Detroit. If you're a fan of our show, I think you'll be particularly interested in this episode of crime town all about Kwami Kilpatrick and his rise to power here. It is crime towns. Second season is exclusively available on Spotify. Who's leading the race right now. And who will only be the next mayor of introit? This is Sunday. It's two thousand one in election year in a controversial character from a prior episode is running for mayor. If you've picked up a paper turned on a radio or TV, you probably know city council. President Gil hill is the early favorite to succeed as mayor of Detroit Gil hill, the former head of the Detroit police homicide division, the FBI believed. He was corrupt. The investigated him for allegedly taking bribes to cover up the murder of thirteen year old boy, baggage the is perceived to have close ties to a police department struggling to correct its inadequacies while enduring a federal investigation into its practices soon after the FBI started taking a look at you'll hill. He retired from the police department in ran for city council president began to refer to me as mayor. Of course, I didn't let that influence me. And I had to think about it. I had to discuss it with my family. Of course, I had to determine whether or not we could raise the money to win. And though in behold, it became apparent that all of those things could happen. And now that I was going to enter the ministry. Now, Gil hill was poised to become mayor hills numbers appear to be getting stronger as the primary draws closer. But there was one man who might just be able to stop it. His name Kwami Kilpatrick. We want our citizens go to the ballot box and decide whether they want to move forward of wanna stay in the moment. That's a decision citizens. The dollars. Today on the show the two thousand one race for mayor pits. Detroit's passed against its future. I've John White. Welcome to cry town. Detroit's first African American mayor Coleman young has died. He was seventy nine. Dealer. He'll friends when I got money from these drug dealers, you'll always they would have hand. Now, you know. Proven joy, really for messiah not a mayor. In the fourth grade. I won a contest of my school. There was a black studies contest and the prize was to go, and we combing your marriage on how nine years old, according to clemmie Kilpatrick is political ambitions begin with a visit to the mayor's official residence. The Manoogin mansion is a little a meeting greeting area. And he came down the stairs. And we shook his hand. So I couldn't even breathe. You know, we met him for like two minutes jobs, and it was like quick for me as a as a now your kid. I thought it was a long time. There's a photo of this moment. Nine year old Kwami looking nervous but excited stands next to a smartly dressed Coleman young. Baseball told everybody that be there. So it was never anything else. I wanted to be I didn't wanna be president. I want the stories, and I was nine years old. And I told everybody. In the first person. He told was his mom Carolyn cheeks Kilpatrick, we also have with us from the state legislature Reverend Caroline, Patrick. Thank you very much. Mr Mayor was first elected to the Michigan house of representatives in nineteen seventy eight here. She is speaking alongside Coleman young at an anti-crime summit. A few years later, not just locking people up, but reemploying retraining all that goes with it. Thank you, Mr. mayo. Nightstand Midi to support you. Tell me about your mother can you describe her? She's my hero scenes. The pit of the public servant and somebody really committed her life and was truly called. I was strong enough to be different. I just quit. My parents. My father was funny him, and you feel bad if you wanted to follow the crowd there. So I didn't have to follow the cry. Very inquisitive of one day. He wanted to see what was going on around here. This is Bernard Kilpatrick Kwami s- father. He worked on Caroline's first campaign and served in local government himself. But he and Caroline, divorced. When Kwami was young founders. Do it was a lot of things you do normal things. Guys who think they're Romeo trying to maintain a marriage at same time. Those kind of problem, you know. You'll need a picture. I'm adding. Like a couple of fares. Five. Pommy lived with his mother who kept the watchful eye on her son and made sure he stayed on the right track. Kwami played football in high school and went on to college. My mother was very straight. But in my college graduation, I was walking across the stage. And she was standing there. Florida him took a picture. She was crying. Just move on and talk grab. I mean where we were growing up. She said I wanted to get to this moment right here. Got a job teaching middle school in Detroit, and he put himself through law school, then in nineteen Ninety-six his mother decided to make a run for US congress and Kwami saw a chance to take her seat in the state house, but not everyone was on board. So mother my mother had not my political head. I was concerned. It's a lonely job is the receptions and people smiling and all of that. But public service if you committed to it, and that's how we raised him. That's what I did to us committed to serving to representing to speak to bring the resources in. I know how hard it is. Sometimes. It was the age old battle between men as mother about whether or not he was ready. I went to my father. He thought it was excellent idea. Man, you should run it. You know, you gotta go right now. This is the time. Mm opposition was ready. Three years. He's background got him ready. Talking to people when he was eleven one is if he ain't no as ever. He's he's smartest guy. I know. Now all Kwami needed was a campaign manager. He was like lift my family doesn't want to really support this. They don't really want me to run. So I gotta do this on my own. This is Christine Beatty close friend from high school. Would you say to her? I said I'm about to run for political office state rip the job that my mom had. You know, they all knew what my mother did. And I said I want you to help I want you to manage my campaign. Zilch. Wami felt like listen. We have a good base. We have to kill Patrick name. We walked knocked on about five thousand doors at somewhere. We let people know vally would fun of the community, and it resonate with people. Slogan generation generation, basically, you know, an allusion to the fact that my mom represented district for eighteen years. It was time to to pass the torch. And it was from one generation Carolyn Kilpatrick to kill Patrick announced to kind of campaign. We ran. And it worked in nineteen Ninety-six both Kilpatrick one Caroline headed to Washington and Kwami headed to Lansing to the Michigan state house where you quickly became popular with his fellow representatives in the things that he did his first few. He stuff nobody ever does Bernard remembers Kwami second term when he ran for house minority leader you can't win it for house leader with just Flint Detroit, laces lifeforce. I you gotta have white support. And he went to all these white places. He went to up in Michigan. I mean, you know, I don't know if you know about this. But this all way. He was at the annual ice festival in the upper peninsula. The first black guy ever seen. Hugging. People talking to state reps. Talk into local officials democrat party. It was incredible. I mean, he called me from you. You know, I'm actually having fun some role, would you? In the iceman. Got to do it is is almost like p in Joe going into areas that black folks I mean that that kind of personality. That's just some you have he didn't get that. From me mother. Nobody he he was really really this guy could do whatever it is wanted to do. Welcome to floor leader of the House Democratic caucus. Michigan representative. Kilpatrick? Just thirty was a rising star in Michigan politics, and it wasn't long before he was invited to speak at the two thousand democratic national convention. Let us be the generation that fulfils indeed our own destiny. Join me America and standing up for our gore until Lieberman the next president and vice president of these United States of America. Thank you very much. Well, you know, I was not thinking about running for mayor. You know, that was not even on my mind, and I was driving to work, and I was listening to NewsRadio and her Dennis Archer was retired. Dennis Archer was the mayor of Detroit at the time when I got back to the city that day. I went by my father's office, kind of like one of the first to say, this guy could be mayor. I think he'd be down will actually I was not feeling that night couldn't sleep. And I was up tolling on I. And if I went in the basement that's at the bible with me. And I, and I did something that I thought it was crazy, but it was crazy like a five. So I just I pray guy. Listen, if you want me to show me the by when I Opie. Put it on the floor was on Mondays and put it on the floor. And I put my is down and they fail. Right. Second Samuel five. And it's a story about David was a story about being thirty years old the elders coming to him asking him to be king. Say oh my God. I got this message. I was so excited. I was for me thirty years older. I took it ran upstairs. I woke up one in the more clubby told his wife Carlita about what it just happened say just ready to I suppose from there. She looked at me. She said, okay, I'm going to say. Let's see what she was just she homeboy. I mean, it was it was amazing. I thought it was a miracle from having. The next day. I told everybody was familiar from that day forward. My life has been going a hundred miles an hour. Clemmie came in. And he I mean, he he's very charismatic. Really smart. You weren't swayed by that not remote. This is Sheila Cockrel. She was on the Detroit city council at the time. Never the first time you became aware of Kwami Kilpatrick. Or I wouldn't call it an aura. You said, it charisma he had some charisma, but it would know aura. He. I'm going to tell you this anybody who starts off with the story about how the bible fellow pin? And the passage about the shining city on the hill might thing is this. Well, I'm this is fake. I thought it was pure theatre. I mean, why he's got he's got balls. I mean, he'll end people buying this stuff. I didn't support him. I supported Joe hill. If you picked up a paper turned on a radio or TV, you probably know city council. President Gil hill is the early favorite to succeed as mayor of Detroit for me was up against the season politician with the head start a guy who built relationships in the city while Kwami was off serving in the state legislature and kill hill was a local celebrity. Very very down to earth. Even Beverly cop stuff. We went to meet him in in his office at city council, and I said, I'm really jumping in this thing about the now run, and you know, he said well. You're not going to win. Candidate. The rich pay for space. Two person. When I was tweeting. I told you to Susie baby. I'd say I thought he married way better than me. He was the best campaign. I've ever seen. Bernard Kilpatrick knew that part of his sons appeal came from his appearance six four three hundred pounds. You couldn't just that gregarious size. He picked up little kids like they would bow. I know a bit fellow. He was ultimate campaign. Co Patrick says he's out campaigning minimum of twelve hours a day. He says visibility is the key slates divisible stay involved. And I'll see you in a neighborhood near you pretty soon. Let's continue to move forward to start our future right here. Right now, our strategy and our slogan because we we wanted to play on the young. And it was you're young, and you can do something in the future again, Christine Beatty, high school friend and campaign manager, so we sat down we had a session, and we came up the slogan our future right here right now. But we're all coming together. And starting few to here in this city right here. The people of Detroit responded. You know, every everytime at the council, but I think his time was young. We feel that Kwami Kilpatrick has a vision has you have energy, and is honest and has integrity to be mayor. Let's take a look at the two most recent polls Gil hill remains the front runner, but the top three candidates, including Kwami Kilpatrick and candidate Patrick are pegged in the polls as top vote-getters tomorrow's contests. But it's Patrick rows supporters tonight. He says he's not taking preliminary numbers for granted. We can't even see after the primary. We're we're looking at September eleven. September eleventh two thousand one nine eleven is our primary election day that morning. I remember I was to the campaign here quarters, and I remember looking at the television. We're back at nine o'clock eastern time on this Tuesday morning, and we're back with dramatic pictures of an accident that has happened just plain flying into the tower. I mean, I was so mesmerized about it. Like, I couldn't believe that most of us like WTI h I'm sorry what twin towers you can see fire and flames or smoke billowing from that tower. There is a Geico though, the voter turnout was low when the primary I remember that night, we got election Kyon, we came out on top. We won the primary, of course, everything was very subdue. We didn't know sort of celebration. In Detroit's nonpartisan election system. The top two vote getters in the primary move onto the general election, which meant Kwami had to face scale hill. Again, the big story on September eleventh was supposed to be Detroit's may oral primary. But as we all know now city politics took a surreal back seat to the horrors at ground zero that day on November six Detroiters. Choose a man to lead us into an uncertain future. Candidate Gil hill is here this morning talk about his more aggressive approach to the campaign and why he thinks to Troy needs an experienced leader as Keough change the game. Came out in the police outfit with with flags on the commercial, and it's not the time for him majority. This is the time for the -bility, insecurity, you know, the country for the his numbers change the next day. Julianne is performance during those times illustrate how important it is to have a person on board who had had experienced in deadly and trying times. And I think is something that people in this community have to think about when they go to the polls to choose who's going to be the next leader. We went into a debate that we were in the bag and I'd say key punch me. Pause model that was excellent. If a row, but you know, that was good, man. You got. Detroit's mayor candidates squared off for the first major forum since the terrorist attacks on primary day and with the election just six weeks away. The candidates are starting to snipe at each other with hill questioning Kilpatrick plans to revamp city government, either one of us becomes mayor that goes into this structure and try to make it work failed really needs to be blown up and put back together. Some things you cannot blow up some things if you do blow them up when the dust settled the problems still there with election day quickly approaching Kwami had one last chance to win over voters. Nice to meet you kopeck. Vote. Register thirty one year old state rep was turning the last twenty four hours of his campaign into a non stop stump thought chatting potential voters at one site after another we're going to go to hospitals, go to K mart. We're gonna stay out here to go Novak role clubs. They're gonna find people wherever they out and get a message across. People will come up to me. Kill the main, man. I saw your son that gap. Here's quantities. Father is Dan them. He came into close. What? Became the club. And they stopped him us in Utah with Jim minutes had people in this left to another. They bring the bus and went to all black bars. The said that fried that hadn't been done. On election day. The polls had Kwami and Gil hill, neck and neck. We went to Sweden Mary hotel downtown Detroit renaissance Bill and people we were watching the television pastors there and support of me, my family a lot of my family uncles aunts cousins parents. So everybody's there does there you also on the phone with inside people doing exit polling and everything else. So it's a lot of information company all the time, and I'm kind of -til for most of the night. I'm not nervous at all. And so when they projected me as one another. That's what I say. Wow. For second. I was like, okay. We got the mission. We as Kilpatrick campaign as Detroit community declare victory. The when everybody was going crazy and crying and oh my God. This is history. And you see the reaction of people that are very close to you. And people supported you people at worked hard for that moment. When it hit our elected as the sixtieth mayor of the city. Celebrating out the fake hand smiling. But people knew because see what have you? This like. The dog takes on the school bus and actually catching, you know. He barks do it with us. But he really don't want to catch the school bus. That's kinda how how. I felt that not your house like oh my God. I wanted to. I don't know how to be mayor outs kinda panicking inside. And my mother saw me. As you say, I talk to you in Israel, and she tells me into the bay. People are celebrating she goes door. She hug me. And she said with that. Said you life was gonna turn from this point forward. This is this is something you ask for us part of your course. And then you need to accept and be a leader. She says I'm told me I was never forget this conversation. She said. Unfortunately, leadership is very lonely possessed. Thank you. Thank you. You've been a part of teams and send the crowd, you know, life, but you experience loneliness as you have. But you chose to be. It's time for all of us to rise up and step up to the mantle of leadership. It's time for all of us to rise up. Then there city it's time to rise up and began our future right here rut, now, God bless you. And thank you. And so I understand at that moment was he was saying to protect the truth in the profound that'll Newman nation. I didn't understand it. I told her matter of fact, I said so mobile everything's gonna be outright. How did that feel too must have been a reality? Check of sorts. It was good job was tremendously. Stressful for many people always ask me even here. You know? Did you like the mayor with the fine? I didn't I did. I did not like let's call. About to cut off. No, that's okay, man. Well, you know, we'll have to continue the conversation and. Next week Kwami troubles begin questions question, so many questions confusing documents odd explanations a reporter pushed around by the security staff all over a twenty five thousand dollar auto lease. How has it come to this? Let me create a cell in. The story was known that killing the Bill. Crime town is marks Merlene in sacks tour Pontiac this season is made in partnership with came media and Spotify. Thirty one this episode was produced by sirri-a Shockley, rob zip go. Samantha Leigh me, John White senior producer is drew L. Mike snatches fail editing by vacs tour. Pontiac good marks Murli back. Checking by Jennifer black. All the. This episode was mixed sound designed in scored. I Robin Schorr original music is season. Composed by Homer Stein. Weiss we recorded some original music at rustbelt studios in Detroit in partnership with Detroit, south conservancy special. Thanks to call goals marines Parana head hurt. Ps additional is like Kenny QCI. John cusack. And additional mixing Bobby Lord. Our theme song has politicians in my eyes, like death our credit music. This week is true story part to fat cat. Kaysville research by Brennan res additional archival courtesy of Tim into by Smith. They have a film called camp K documentary of Kwami, Patrick check it out additional archival material, courtesy of XYZ Walter p Reuther library at Wayne State, university and the Detroit historical society. Glassy show art and design by James, Cabrera, the least Harvard. We've got a great website with bonus content for each episode like photos, videos and newspaper clippings as well. As a full list of credits and a transcript this week. We've got tons of photos from the two thousand one mayor's race between Kwami Gil check it out at crime town, show dot com. Thanks to the Detroit Free Press. Peter Bhatia, Jim Shafer, Mary Schrader Mary Wallace. Max white Randy Lundquist. Eric Hetherington dandy. Video Devon skill. Leeann. Unless Samson the Charles H right museum of African American history. Couldn't even be accepted car in Tunisia Turner, miles felt sought and everyone who shared their stories with us Detroit is an amazing place who are honored to tell a small part of its story. Alex, Bloomberg is the podfather a few years ago. Alex ran up to my desk. And I was like what what he said. Listen, I read the bible, I'm supposed to make a podcast company.

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Songs Week It's Already Been Invented Night (4-2-2021)

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Songs Week It's Already Been Invented Night (4-2-2021)

"Welcome to jobbers your morning and night tooth brushing show start brushing on the top of your mouth pick aside and brushed the inside outside and chewing side of each tooth song today. I want to share a bunch of my great ideas for inventions with my friend. Kwami kwami is a rapper. And he's really cool so i think he's really gonna like my ideas while we're singing. Don't forget to listen for the. That's when you're supposed to switch you're brushing to another part of your mouth. Hey kwami i just had an amazing idea all right. Do you know how you want to listen to music. But you don't always want to pick out the songs. What if someone else did that they just pick and you listen and maybe it comes out of like a boxer something hold. Oh wait a minute. You didn't know it's already been invented. The radio jocks chandra. bose yet. He did it my favorite songs in the car. I listen thanks. jcb okay. Let's candidate okay. So that is already taken. What about you know. How do you put down and everything spills out of it. What if he made a bad. That didn't do that like it's flat on the bottom or something. Holgado wait a minute. You didn't know it's already been invented. The flat bottom paper bags game. That's right it holds my grocery site. Thanks to margaret de luise night. Okay martin was bad okay. Here's another one. Do you know how people have dogs and cats as pets of you could keep a fish. We do make some sort of clear box. We could fill it with water and then you can put the fish in it. It's that hold up. Wait a minute you didn't know it's already been invented. The aquarium thanks. Maria beasley easily. Fish haven't home in swim easily. Splish splash maria. This isn't going very well. Okay well idea one if there was a show and you listen to it while you brush your teeth so you don't get bored. Rachel are you serious. What hold up. Wait a minute. You didn't know it's already been intended. It's called shoppers. And it's done for today. You've done a great job brushing now it's time to three. Thanks to our sponsor cheerios. Hey grownups with a happy heart powered by honey nut cheerios. You'll have the positivity needed to be good do good and spread good beyond the breakfast table and into the day ahead cheerios. Good starts with happy. Hearts chompers is a production of gimblett media.

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S2 E14: The Affair

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S2 E14: The Affair

"This episode of crime town is brought to you by nature made Melatonin Gumy's they're designed to support your sleep so you can wake up ready to take on the day and there are one hundred percent drug free to learn more go to nature may dot com. I had not eligible evidence that my dad killed. Anyone did have was a feeling let me ask you. How many people do you know that have been murdered? Well everywhere. I want people Google that we knew or associated with being murdered in my dad talked about it or got involved in it. We try to make sense of April's past the clearing from Pineapple Street media in association with Gimblett premiers July Eighteenth on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts good evening Detroit I wanNA start tonight by saying to the citizens of this great city. I'm sorry it's January two thousand eight Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick his addressing the people of Detroit to all of you who have believed in what we've been doing here since two thousand two to all of you who are believed in me and my leadership I truly apologized to each and every one of you individually and to the whole city just days earlier the Detroit Free Press and published private text messages between the mayor and his chief of Staff Christine Beatty text messages revealing that they had had an affair that stretched touched on for years September twelve two thousand two Christine Beatty writes last night when I was laying on your shoulder in the car and you helped my face and saying whatever song it was that felt so good September twenty fourth beatty rice so we are officially busted <hes> the mayor damn that never busted. I want to make public apology to my entire family and for the first time in my life I had to have a conversation with my twelve year old twin sons about very grownup things finally and most importantly I wanNA make public apology to my wife. Carlita fell in love with when I was nineteen years this dynamic strong caring woman has been forced to go through this very difficult experience because of me. I truly apologize to you. kwami is sitting in a church and as he speaks the camera begins to pull back revealing his wife Carlita sitting beside him holding his hand. It is very difficult for me to talk to you at this moment but I want to let you know what is all my heart tonight. Yes I am angry. I am hurt and I am disappointed but there's no question that I love my husband. Most couples who worked through problems and their marriage able to do so privately unfortunately that action is not available to us as his wife. I know how committed my husband is to the city of Detroit. I am asking the citizens of this city to be committed to him. Oh thank you kwami has one more thing to say over the past few days. There's also a lot speculation about me resigning from office. Let me be clear tonight. I would never quit on you ever God bless you Detroit. I love you and I see you at work tomorrow. One last episode the Mariners Chief of staff lied on the witness stand about their secret affair. Uh Today on the show Kwami and Christine tell their story. I'm John White. Welcome to crime town backfired here Brown today. This is going to create a major issue for you know fourteen thousand text messages between Kilpatrick and beatty they reveal a relationship insipid between the mayor as chief of staff that was far more than professional which totally contradicted what it's a court lead us to jail fairly Jim <music>. I've always been fascinated with Chris. Maybe she had an electric personality drew people to her in one thousand nine hundred five during in their sophomore year of high school boy named Kwami met a girl named Christine. She always had a lot of France. Chris was a major it so it was a whole team of people unit twirl the baton and they did all the gangs and I played football so always always notice it and you know I. I liked her right offhand. I knew everybody by name Down Hall. Hey Jim Hey hey John. Hey three you know just friendly like like that. At the time. Christine had a boyfriend name Lou. Lou was a tenth grader when we were eleventh graders locate back. Tell me one day we were together. They were in the Locker Room Lewis in near bragging about his women and southern about all my women are fine or something in kwami supposedly chimed in and saying not Christine and he was talking about how fun is woman was beautiful beautiful she is she was this that and that and so I leaned over and I said a woman that family she just outright. Why did you say that say you don't immature fifteen the euro because he was brag and so it was one of those things I it was not true? I just wanted to shoot then I like here and all that and so the next day in class she she was looking at me. Real me run which was dogging me my boyfriend Harlot. She went off slap off is hey you know what the town Christine Forgave Kwami and they became friends. I did like that. I used to go by our house. We we went to the movies. I mean she was my favorite person. Just be a rally became really close friends. The impediment ended today high school with at Creek Chris any which is a I do want to say this under. She's GonNa be embarrassed by Split. Christine was the INO- sex <hes> till marriage girl in high school. That was her Lohan. I have broken up so we were not together and then senior year kwami and I kind of liked each other but we always hesitant and I don't know fray teenagers you know and you don't want to anybody really how you feel Roland an acute enough to many pimple with a guy nicely it up just pure insecurity alike. They're incredibly. I was always so nervous around Chris I I never I didn't like anybody else like I liked her and and I had never felt that before you're in so I knew it was going to be nothing more than just kind of real innocent relationship where you can hold hands. You might sneak a kiss or something like that. He was not the guy. Let me say this. That was after me for sex even that that guy back and I think for me <hes> there was not a man or or men who trust like the I did not have that as a young child and I think probably he was the first person on a friendship level that was male in that way that I kind of trust it like that you know and he never violated that. Trust we started dating this after graduation and <hes> she was Kinda like my girl for that summer and you know I was cold with the yeah no sex day I was cool with it because I liked her and we hung out all summer but I got nervous because I was leaving early going to play football at Florida and I got all this wise counsel from uncles cousins in older guys that says you don't WanNa take a girl Eileen Collins and so I broke the head going away already and she came over and then we took went for a walk at the end of that party under a street light on on the sale boulevard toting and his best. You know you be break up he he broke up with me and said I think it's best at you know you're going to Howard. I'm here but yeah and so I was done. I was like okay you know not a problem and I was not of course I wasn't and teenage ego. I'm not going to say please go like okay now. Not Okay at all. She cried. I feel and you know I gave her a hug but it was a Sam. I really didn't WanNa do that. Just did you still have feelings for though I did nevertheless in never left to be absolutely honest never never WANNA way. At the time I was in indicate. I was dating or lead those experience. He got put out. I mean we're trying to talk to me so this is Carlita Kilpatrick talking to the makers of documentary about Kwami. She met her future husband at Florida A._M.. Him in the class of a notoriously tough professor notice attorney Williams you know Fahmi turn around and try to say something to me in attorney Williams called him out in class and made them stand up and attorney wheels. Get aggravated with them in them. You know to the library. Very afterwards we kind of chuckled about it so we ended up having our first day at the library which I wanna say might have been his first time in the library campus. I don't even know if I should say that allow but and we did we we we went to the library and <hes> studied foam and laughed a lot. Actually I met Carlita. Kwami was finished college and she moved up here after she finished college with him. Qualms cousin Tunisia Turner got ought to know Carlita after she and kwami moved back to Detroit and got married and then I remember climbing saying get Karleena be her friend like hang out with her like she needs some friends Detroit and you're right and I was like okay and so every time I had the opportunity our you know try to spend time and just into your her and she was really nice person but very very different from Christine. She was a little bit more closed off. She was kwame me's rider back no doubt but she wasn't as dear to the family. Meanwhile Christine had reunited with her high school boyfriend my sophomore year I ended up getting back with together with his Collagen. We stay together enough from the married and have kids but you know quantity of course our story didn't stop after because we always had that friendship you know and you know we liked each other in high school. That was always there but it was like okay. Well you're married. Mary have kids just great friends you my you know that's my boy his. I mean we're is going to be solid friends. which is how are we even started working together and when kwami decided to enter politics he picked Christine to be his campaign manager you tire her to be to help? Run Your campaign right for mayor <hes> as a candidate. Will we all know what happened. Afterwards you get elected and cheese. She's helped and begin our future. Yes and I want to quickly move to the moment you know it's December two thousand. I'm one you've won election as mayor we as a Kilpatrick Campaign as Detroit community declare victory and it's around Christmas. Do you know what I'm talking about. I do take me through that that moment well. When we got to that place we had done something impossible? <hes> everybody was telling me hours too young and then all the people who wanted to support them was telling me that she could not do to standing by her and her standing by me throughout the campaign it was just amazing came again in his dynamic moment where we were actually cleaning <hes> <hes> the campaign headquarters and how we were looking at river overlook and everything it Kinda hit us both at the same time at we won this race. This is crazy how we do it was so we were laughing. We were crying unhugged and I kissed her and it was like what what what was that because it caught us out guard when when I tell you it it was one of those moments I can movies when a moon is perfect over to Detroit River the snow was dancing across the moments ever you needed a Elliott Elliott a much better writer <hes> that I could do it to to really describe what kind of those powers very pound while I just remember kissing those kind of like oh shoot what just happened. Wow this still phillies there okay. What does this really mean? Christine and Kwami both tried to put the kiss behind them but when Kwami took office and Christine Esteem became his chief of staff there close working relationship made that difficult when the day was done maybe eight thirty. We're sitting in office talking for three hours now mind you. I spent the whole day with you working. Why do I need to talk talk to you for three hours? Actor were down working but that was the relationship you naturally with somebody every day. You're naturally were somebody not just during the day with at night. Sometimes we had the work is literally. We're working until it one two three in the morning and you have the body in class type atmosphere <hes> somebody who's willing to stay up all night and work with you and all that and ordering in Oh get some takeout and you started developing those moments with attention and and and then excitement and so we re kissed again and eventually we started to having a fair over the next few months <music>. I don't WanNa get into the details of by sex life but my husband was my first in my only up until clumsy so the level of Gilda I have fully violated violated my husband and my marriage that that was not a light thing to to wait on me. The whole thing was omega. We can never do this. In what the heck are we doing. You know you'd that is what do you start like. Hey you know let's get it on. Not I wasn't it you know it was the weekend dude this. This is we are tripping. You know there was there was always the guilt in this. This is wrong thing oh but it does feel that whole if feel so right but it's so wrong the the comfort was that he was there for me and I was there for him and I think in the level of vulnerability that he can show with me without it changing my perception and him who he was. I think was comforting for him. You start to develop to lives one at home which is scarcely at and when it office the Office of life was sixty hours a week minimal. I was two different guys Carlita noticed that was two different guys. He didn't like again. I was there is used to say it. All the time I I cannot kiss. Don't bring him in here. It kinda became with WHO I was the most friends with her before never friends and we were friendly you know because but I don't think she probably cared much for me. When you're a woman you I mean you look at people that are around and I don't think I think my level of influence was uncomfortable for her as it should have been but I never with disrespectful never that but the lie that I had to stand in this woman's phase in her house in noted this was going the I never correct us out for me that that literally I mean I was one of those? How do you look yourself in the mirror and do you know what I mean? That's what kind of women are you like. I I had those conversations in my head with myself. The overwhelming abundant part of that religion ship was friendship. It was it was it was intimacy a lot of times it was just you know can lay my head on your show. The relationship was so different because we gave each other each of this heart and that's a different type of relationship because I've had both enforce the I was not a you know a faithful hus- I was a horrible us in that area would in what do you mean I mean I think I have an idea but what do you mean I had other affairs. This was not only fair in this episode of crime town is brought to you by simplisafe. Simply safe is engineered with a single focus in mind to protect. That's why it's built for the unexpected and not just break ins simply safe also detects fires gas leaks and can even alert you to potential freeze and flood damage plus simply safe is easy to set up. There's no drilling ailing wiring or tools required. 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I had no tangible evidence that my dad killed anyone. April Bellagio did have was a feeling Lemme ask you. How many people do you know that have been murdered well all everywhere? I want people that we knew or associated with Rabin murdered. I'm trusting for the last three years. I've been following April trying to make sense of what her father did and what else he may have done. We know for a fact that they're both here and they're both their nearly identical Nicole murders occur any still had his armed raised. Mikey never lowered the gun. It's a true crime story. That's also about our obsession with drew crime in the mythic monsters we create. Yeah my dad was consumed with Zodiac but I can look you in the eye until you. He did not kill Jon Benet. Nobody likes that one the clearing a new podcast from Pineapple Street media in association with Gimblett premiers July Eighteenth on on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts sometimes he will go stop in the different venues clubs whatever the case may be because somebody invited him. This is Dan Milton Mommy's close friend and aid aid. Dan was constantly by the mayor side. There's plenty of times when especially in Detroit females walked up to him. Hey WanNa take pige rubbing all his chest males females. I know we're involved with that wasn't his wife give an example in D._c.. We leave it a location bar. Whatever club and they ran back with us? He went up to his room. You know why she stayed in the car and then later noto hurt you know about five minutes later you go up instead both are walking in at the same time then one day. One of qualms drivers told the Dan about an especially surprising rendezvous he was ran with the mayor he was driving Amir. The Mayor Shit I had to <hes> drying my pipes or something and he walks in mayor goes in the house. I mean five minutes later. Christine comes in the house you know pulls up goes in and they in there for have launay in there and that was the first time you became aware that they were involved with each other and I mean I mean drain. The pipe is kind of a vivid it'd metaphor. I mean I was taken aback by because I knew they were close relationship but you know let's say it was nothing that I knew of into until that moment. kwami and Christine were getting sloppy more and more people around them suspected they were having an affair and one of their biggest mistakes. All those was text messages they were sending on their city issued pagers any moments where you almost get caught sorry member. I think Kwami had text some message like some of the something I love you. It was it was something like that. Ah In lieu of my pager he was like what and I remember thinking. Oh my God like this is a problem like okay I mean I was like you know. This is just like my boy. We you know we were talking about something that he was you know I I did the as much as I could but yet where my failure was that I let Kwami in that space I became so in love with him in the idea of him and it was really know coming back after you know for my husband aware counseling Glenn while I'm not being honest. I'm being very disingenuous because I'm not revealing. Oh I'm having an affair you know and unfortunately my husband and I did get a divorce. You got the warning. Do you know what I'm saying. You got the warn into stop you. You got the warning to quit and then someone blows up in your face to their magnitude. You know you can only blame yourself because you've got the you should stop. You should have to stop. I'm sorry are you but it seems like such a huge risk. You know what I mean like. It's not just you're married guy and having affairs but is the mayor of Major U._S.. City and all is our on you so you talking about a guy who had twenty five years so took the risk of running for the State House and the guy who ran for mayor of a major city thirty years old taken risk was normal. It wasn't risk John. It was just life. They weren't you ever worried about what you'd lose. If you ever found out no why not because I didn't think that far down Tesla did I see myself sitting in a prison because a lot about an affair elm I thought that like most men with nearness situation I can handle it and and how wrong long I was while the when did it end it. I think the biggest prank in the two thousand some five right before the election <hes> it came to a time when I sat down and had a compensation Carlita and I told her I was exhausted. We had a hard tar. We decided that it was trying to really try to the <unk> figure out how to reignite on there and so I had a very tough conversation with Christine in two thousand five <hes> winter home and we had a conversation in house and and it was a lot of crying two years but the thing was that I told her that we just couldn't do anymore. It was sad for both of us but she also knew that it was right so it was a balanced between being devastating but also being the right thing to do. Even though they're affair was over climbing Christine kept working together memos and allegations of misconduct and the Manooghian mansion the accusations fly was there a cover up and where does the deputy police chief Gary Brown filed this whistleblower suit against the city Christine and Kwami had to make a choice and this is the moment are always regret. I remember we had a pre meeting with our city attorney's and I remember them asking us. Is there anything that you guys WANNA. Tell us a front. But of course I know that there was no way that we wanted to divulge the fact that we had had some sort of personal affair. Because of course we already felt terrible about our families leasing so it was like yeah. I don't think we'll be telling not we're good. We all need to tell anything but the dumb rationale in our own mind was has nothing to do with the case. So how could it ever come so no. We don't have anything to tell you <music> they would go on to deny their fair under oath during the one thousand accurate year romantically intimate meeting no you're thing but then one day in January of two thousand eight Christine got some alarming news. I Remember Press Secretary Common Down The hall. He's a hey Chris rock late on to tell you he's got a call from Eric and he said to tell you that he wants to talk to you. In Kwami you know exactly what is about only talk to you too and they're running historian Thursday and my iheart shoora I walk into mayor's office and I it is over in two thousand seven Gary Brown's lawyer had subpoenaed thousands sub text messages between climbing Christine. He used those text messages to convince the city of Detroit to settle the lawsuit the tax were supposed to remain secret now they are about to hit the front page. I mean we just went into this dumbfounded. Look on my guy. We can't there's no figuring out of this one. We had to call all of our office staff together brought him into the mirrors conference room home and the mayor said you know to everybody does going to be something coming out in the paper on Thursday. I'm not going to be life changing for this administration and I left out at day and I never never walked back into the mirrors off of that day for Heroin Robert. We've gone through the six hundred pages release this afternoon but there are really difficult things to read. This is a love affair played eight out on a pager from graphic sex top of love and marriage all exposed for people to read detects shown affair that started in two thousand two in played out over a year in spring of two thousand four Christine questions perhaps why she's not with the mayor her Christine. What do you get from C.? K. Carlita Kilpatrick that you don't get for me Mayor Kilpatrick the tremendous bond of parenthood Christine. Is that it mayor Kilpatrick that's it. I was thinking real hard. It's all the family things structure in comfort. Now this is there were definitely times where <hes> I didn't know what to do didn't know what again Carlita Kilpatrick underneath that was a lot of her in a lot of anger and a lot of embarrassment harassment and shame and I mean just all kinds of things that any other woman would have felt going through. Would I have gone through but <hes> even through all of it. There was always this beliefs knowing that guy would pull me through this some kind of way somehow and that I had to be a good mother ahead to wake up and M._p.. Emma and that's what counterpaert me through after news of the affair broke Kwami Carlita meet the televised statement you heard at the top of the show I WANNA make public apology to my wife. Carlita fell in love with when I was nineteen years. We didn't seem to make a difference. Are you more sympathetic to Kwami and Carly Kilpatrick after. Either televised statement or did you come away believing it was a cynical attempt at generating sympathy. You know it's interesting the Chris let's face it. This is a bad marriage between the city of Detroit and Kwame Kilpatrick. We need you to resign immediately on Tuesday Tuesday. The city council passed a measure aimed at getting kilpatrick to step down and they're asking Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm for her help. Some of Detroit citizens say they want me or Balmy Kilpatrick out how the scandal became a national punchline but what a guilty man say this under oath. Mr Brown was unappointed. He was the fire you might say something like that only a man stupid enough to send fourteen thousand incriminating text messages in four months to his mistress on a state-owned cell phone messages like I'm. I'm sorry we're going through this mess. Because of a decision that we made to fire Gary Brown. The pressure mounted Detroit. We are truly in a period of transformation in early March at his State of the city address kwami get back. I cannot leave this auditorium with my wife and my son sitting there without addressing decision in the past thirty days. I've been called a nickel more than any time in my entire life and I don't care if they cut the T._v.. Off this on illegal lynch mob mentality good morning thank you for coming. I made the decision that we would complete are perjury investigation as it relates to Mayor Kilpatrick in his former chief of staff fifteen beatty and make that announcement today Wayne County Prosecutor Kim Worthy it opened a criminal investigation into Kwami and Christine and on March twenty four worth two thousand eight she held a press conference witnesses must give truthful testimony and we have to demand that they do that is why they take an oath. It is perjury if there is lying and perjury three prime today we have filed a twelve pounds criminal information that contains charges against Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick and Christine Beatty we charge both of them with conspiracy to obstruct justice a five year felony as it relates to the matter in this case the defendant Mr Pommie Kilpatrick will plead guilty to count to obstruction of justice a five year felony the defendant shabby placed on five years reporting probation with the first one hundred twenty days be served in the Wayne County jail. The defendant shall announced his resignation ancient immediately upon entry of this plea. Could you state your name for the record Sir Kwami Maleek Kilpatrick. How are you sir? I'm thirty eight years old. The PFISTER Kilpatrick you understand that by plead guilty that you're going to give up certain rights one of the right to be try a jury answer. Yes here also give you a threat to be presumed innocent until proven guilty you understand that they got a long time John yes I lied under oath in the case of Jerry Brown versus the city Detroit this over the many tend to mislead according to jury to impede obstruct the fair ministration I justice Alonzo civil disposition position but in all the coverage of the mayor's resignation and jail sentence someone else's the story took a back seat the mayor's former chief of staff and ex lover Christine Beatty was also in court today but she is not reached a plea deal and we'll be back before a judge on September eleventh doing not well slot on this island. I was this home wrecker. You know what happens to women anyway you I was her fi. You know for women is that's. It's scarlet letter. That's over you know the mistress or I think I probably battle-scarred everything under the Sun. I wasn't some unmarried Doodo low PIA. I was married cheapest Aso he could have been measures to and then my anger with Kwami at the time after time for him to speak on it was that eh he didn't just own up to it and say that we fell in love cross. The line shouldn't have done it. You know this is GonNa hurt a lot of people but this is what happened because his there take this is just this was something that happened in the past during the text messages you know we put that behind us Bob Blah and so then I was left to come out to felonies that had a felony record that that hurt me down hard the the friendship thing for me. You know it was like wow okay so I really am on here on. You know that part was hard. What I what I do know is? It wasn't some random affair. You know I was in love with him. He loved me again. I never speak for him. I speak for me but I know that he loved me. I'm not stupid. Nearly a year. After headlines revealed a city hall sex scandal the former top aide to Detroit's ex ex mayor Kwame Kilpatrick has been sent to jail Christine Beatty wave goodbye to loved ones Tuesday as she was ushered from courtroom to begin a one hundred twenty day jail stay for obstruction of justice. It's the hardest day in my life was the day I had to leave my children and go to jail and we had tried to prepare the girls before that with Mommy had to go away has to go away for minute because she told a lot you know in a court of law and you don't that you you can't do that and I was gonna be for four months or whatever and they will whale in my oldest daughter was holding onto my leg scream and it was best that the that was the worst day of my life <music> Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick is going to jail on seven years after he became the youngest mayor Detroit History Kwame Kilpatrick was sitting in jail cell. How could this situation get any worse well? It has been five years since Tamara Green was gunned down but her case is front and center once again because of the mayor's text messaging scandal Greenwash drive-by shooting in April of two thousand three about six months after she allegedly danced at Never Proven Party at the Manooghian Mansions. That's next time on crime delay. The Prime Town is marks Merlin Zach Stewart Pontiac. This season is made in partnership with Gimblett media and spotify. This episode was produced by Sarah Shockley Rob Zip Co Samantha Lee and me John White the senior producer is drew Nellis Editing by Zach Store Pontiac and marks Merlin back checking by Jennifer Black Man all this episode was mixed sound design and scored by Robin shore original music this season composed by homer Stein Weiss. We recorded some original music at Rust Belt Studios in Detroit in partnership with Detroit Sound Conservancy Special. Thanks to Carlton Goals Imerese Parana had heard additional music by John Cusack Kenny Kuzak John Ivan's and Beinart additional mixing by Bobby Lord our theme song is politicians in my eyes by debt our credit music. This week is game time by fat cat archival research by Brennan Reese archival courtesy of Tim Tobias Smith. They have a film called Camp K. Documentary of Kwame Kilpatrick check it out archival material courtesy of Walter p Reuther Library at Wayne State University and W X._Y._Z. Show art and design by James Cabrera the lease Harbin we made a spotify playlist featuring music from the show and songs that have inspired us the season check it out a crime town music dot com. We did independent thanks to the Detroit Free Press Peter Bhatia Chea James Shaffer Mary schrader Melanie Maxwell Mary Wallace Elizabeth Clemens Max White Randy Lundquist Eric had the Ring Tenant D._N._d.. Video M. L. Elrick Devon's Gillian Melissa's the Sampson the Charles H. 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S2 E17: Operation Bombay Dreams

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S2 E17: Operation Bombay Dreams

"This episode of crime is brought to you by nature made melatonin. Gumy's nature made melatonin dummies are showy strawberry flavored and designed to support your sleep so you can wake up ready to take on the day to learn more go to nature made dot com. I was in the what was called the complex crimes unit in <hes> seattle washington and <hes> we did not have any corruption cases and although that's good for city it was a little bit of wral buster. This is an assistant u._s. Attorney named marchenko the u._s. attorney seattle when i told him i wanted to transfer to the detroit office. He's told me that he wanted to get me a mental status exam upon coming here to detroit. It was someone actually stunning to see the juxtaposition. There was quite a bit of corruption. It was <hes> what we call a target rich environment so the the relationship with mark began sort of by default and this is an f._b._i. Agent named bob beckmann. He was my guy and i was his guy guy and we've been having meetings getting together became very close. Friends actually beckman in chuck. Oh started working on corruption investigations together and at the time detroit just happened to have a new mayor. What did you think of kwami captured before beginning. I thought he was actually a and a breath of fresh air for the city he was considered a rising star in political circles and there's a lot of optimism that surrounded him emmett in two thousand and two in shortly after that the wheel basically came off and it was scandal after scandal after scandal rock dr style onto onto russia's pricey read lincoln navigator exotic hotel rooms on his city issued credit card and by two thousand four we'd accumulated enough intelligence that we're able to open a corruption case on kwami kilpatrick and of course arse the feds had to come up with a code name for the operation so we're trying to think of something they had nothing to do with anything in we're leafing living through a magazine and we read about an andrew lloyd webber musical bombay dreams none of us had ever seen. It had nothing to do with anything. It was said okay. That's what it is bombay dreams in previous episodes. We told you about how mayor kwame kilpatrick face years of scandals and even a few stints in jail. We'll before kicking off a bookstore but almost that entire time a federal corruption investigation was simmering under the surface this today on the show operation bombay dreams. I'm john white welcome to crime tom. Jackson prison release since most recognizable in the process of releasing inmate kilpatrick begins at six thirty tomorrow morning the wrath they developed a whole life really comfortable and really <hes> happy joyful life. Uh miracle patrick lived lived extravagant lifestyle. I mean he had the largest supply of high fashion. Custom tailored suits that i've ever seen not long after kwami kilpatrick was first elected mayor his tastes for the highlife caught the attention of f. b. i. agent bob beckmann and assistant u._s. Attorney attorney marchenko agent beckmann in i are government servants public servants like he was and we pretty much had five suits that gut circulated week-to-week week-to-week and i don't recall him ever repeating wearing the same article of clothing how kwami kilpatrick financing his wardrobe chuck cobb knew just where to look so we follow the paper trail his of his finances dances his bank records is credit card records and we found some interesting things in their ooh prior to the time that he was the mayor of the city he had worked as a representative of the state house of the state of michigan. Dan and he had a <hes> paycheck that he would get on a biweekly basis wired into his account and from there when he needed things things he would either write checks for expenses or he would withdraw cash from his bank account and that's pretty much how most people live their lives and then that'll changed. Once he became the mayor of the city of detroit. After kwami was elected mayor he started depositing housing large amounts of cash into his personal bank account. They were around number thousand dollar two thousand dollar three thousand dollar deposits. This was <hes> financial behavior consistent with a drug dealer or somebody that had illicit proceeds in it certainly wasn't consistent with the banking making transactions of a public servant we compared that to his inflow of income from his only legitimate source which was <hes> payroll check from the city of detroit and that showed a differential of eight hundred forty thousand dollars that is there was eight hundred forty thousand thousand dollars more in quantities account and there should have been mark chet cohen bob beckmann. They need to figure out where all that cash was coming from. This was not an easy target. I would love to wear somebody up and sent him into the into the mayor's. The office would be done with this six months but <hes> the mir had this enormous <hes> flotilla bodyguards and one of their responsibilities was to sweep the place for bugs. He idolized a previous mayor of the city coleman young who had in wiretap tap. I have been hounded for ten goddamn years with allegations him rumored one concrete charge and america patrick knew that and he was quite sensitive that that's not gonna ever happen to me and then one day agent. Beckmann says he got a tip. We received an anonymous letter about how bribes ring paid it at cobo hall in her convention center mine exclusive contract or named colonel cato cato had a contract contract to manage electrical janitorial services at the convention center in exchange for that contract he paid a commission to the city which at the time time was about seventeen percent to the city of detroit fulco ended up being in a position where he dealt with public officials all the time it wine and dine them cato convinced these officials that they should lowered the city's commission which allowed him to keep more of his profits in what did these officials get in return and the would give paper bags full of cash to the various public officials that were in the chain of supervision above him so investment decided to try to flip carl kato confront him with the evidence he agrees to cooperate in agrees to cooperate significantly by wearing a wire it won't the baby carl kato wired up and went to meet his main contact at a local restaurant i would someone he claimed was picking up a lot of those bags of cash someone very close to mayor kwame kilpatrick the mayor's dad. The name was bernard kilpatrick or not. I'm back make you hold. The feds had a plan league-leading carl cato would complain bernard that the city owed him money from previous contracts for it hundred percent so bernard tokyo he could fix the problem would cost you in english the mirrors data collecting well over over one hundred thousand dollars from kato. That's not normal. That's not the way normal business people do things all right the reason he has to give you all this money because your sons the mare when he got elected you started your own consultant is right. What was that called maestro. That was my father's nickname. This is bernard kilpatrick kwami father father he'd worked for decades local politics and when his son became mayor he started a business called maestro associates and what to the company and and consulting insulting his generic term for a lot of things but what it does it okay. When i started started my company i was on gercy a first name basis. I could talk to anybody to president the city council the governor. I really have no kind of background for this kind of stuff so you're connected our hours. Louis connect super connected then. I start charging shar with evokes we pay came. I made two phone calls me twenty thousand dollars. So what are you actually saying on. This phone calls like what specifically does this consultant consultant. Would it involves talking to somebody about the merits of some people that they waned to see who they you choose to do this work and what kind of work it doesn't matter consulting is the ability to bring people together to see we can work a deal. Oh my client is a deal rookies dr yard eventually the f._b._i. The i collected enough evidence to get a judge to sign a warrant for a wiretap. Here's agent bob beckmann. We tapped the phone of the mayor's dad. One of the really fun things about a wiretap is people talking code. They could talk in code for weeks and only takes one slip up to a decode all the rest of that so it's sort of like a big chess game eric turn way. I found a snake in rhode. There was one particular businessman. He's saying how things looking for the party are things for the party and he keeps saying it over and over again. He's paying bernard kilpatrick to go to some party which makes no sense route turmoil mabul start over and back up and start on what is it. What are they trying to say here. I kept listening and listening and trying to put together different clues and what happened. Was this particular businessman. He'd been saying party for weeks. The house the party looking and then at one point bernard kilpatrick has kinda half asleep and he said the what he goes you know and then he says cynic row so agent beckmann did all great investigators do the google syndrome and then it all kind of coalesced at that point. We've decoded everything else they were talking about. Cinta grow was it's the the world's largest processor sludge from wastewater so you flush your toilet. It's gotta go somewhere this company reclaims atwater and make fertilizer iser out of it or they burn it in his smelter or they take it to a landfill synagogue. Now has this deal with the detroit water and sewerage department one point a two billion dollars contract over twenty five years before the synagogue contract could proceed the mayor in the city city council would have to approve it in around this time the f._b._i. Started hearing a new name on the wiretap. I'm gonna tell very called him back here. He ended up getting a break in the case where we're listening to wiretaps in there. Were talking about a guy that they called. It didn't take long for agent beckmann to figure out that jay are vice president it cinta grow named jim rosendahl when i first got involved with this contract and the mayor's office and the city people were crawling out of the woodwork to get involved <hes> <hes> everybody felt that they were owed something this is jim rosendahl <hes> during the course of securing this contract with the the city i went to a fundraiser at the mayor's home and i talked to the mayor and he asked if i would would <hes> meet with his father who was a lobbyist <hes> and would work with us on securing this contract <music>. Jim rosendahl bernard kilpatrick started working together to push disintegrate deal through started out we would meet at the bar we would have d'oeuvres few drinks then it went to dinners <hes> pretty soon it was going to football games and baseball games and eventually rosendahl says he started paying bribes to bernard. It went from in a shoebox to paper bags. 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We know there's a lot going on in this season of crime town and we don't want you to wait for it all the unfold. Here's a little tip right now. Every episode of crime town season two is available for free on spotify and if that's not enticing enough here's a little taste of what's to become a story about one mayor who promised to turn the city around kwami kilpatrick all of us right here so how'd that lead us to jail five hundred dollars spa bob visits rockstar style onto russia's a stripper who later wound up dead kilpatrick kilpatrick wanted trump patrick et cetera prison who accept filed by now kwami doing i came in. I'm so glad you called. I was getting a little worried but <hes>. I figured you pull through. Don't wait a week for the next episode of crime town. Listen to all all of crime town season two without interruption for free on spotify go to crime town dot v._i._p. Slash binge where you can listen to all of it right now in the spotify the app or on your desktop by two thousand seven the federal government was several years into a corruption investigation of mayor kwame kilpatrick patrick and his associates they had recently learned that jim rosendahl the vice president of a sludge processing company named cinta grow was paying bribes to try and win a city contract so f. b. i. agent bob beckmann got back on the wire in we hear a call between jim rosendahl rosendahl in the mayor's debt maestro in they say let's get together and talk about the deal. They said they were going to meet at the original pancake house in birmingham michigan. We're thinking he'd like to be a fly on the wall for that conversation so we got one of these affidavits done landau above the playbook book yet at the original chaos. My wife went to high school with the manager manager of the pancake house again assistant u._s. Attorney mark chuck oh i asked her to get the phone number and the address for this is manager and he agreed to allow us to go and use the pancake house to to plant a bug and send a team in there overnight the night before they run microphones. We bought one particular booth. The manager says that could be <hes> problem. The pancake houses probably the most popular breakfast place in all of southeast michigan and it usually has lines out the door and it's regulated by a small asian american woman who decides where everybody is going to sit. She will not let you sit down to your parties there and he says frankly raw little scared of her so the time comes with the booth and there's two fbi agents sitting there and they're drinking coffee and looking at the front door and they're getting ready to run away as soon as the guy shows up in <hes>. I'm sitting in a van in the parking lot listening to the the f._b._i. Radio and i hear surveillance saying okay here. He comes coming up woodward avenue. He's pulled into the parking lot. I call him and during a cell phone. I say okay here he comes. He's wearing a white jagged. The manager goes over. This hostess takes menus from her says. I'll take this one any waves that jim rosendahl over in handsome the menu the two f._b._i. Agents grab their coffee cups and run away from the book booth when he sits down at the book booth and there were high fiving each other in the van outside in then maestro and his girlfriend are an hour and a half late and here's his hostess yelling at rose now you can't sit here by yourself the rest of your party threatening to throw him outside and descru- everything oliver finally shows up maestro sits down his girlfriend and they talk about their deal deal we were they were going to create create a trucking company. They'd have a real trucking company. That's one of <hes> maestros clients as paying him. These cash consulting fees tom instruct. You get paid like they're gonna charge. A fifty percent markup. We're talking millions and millions of dollars in this was all going to go to kilpatrick with ten percent to his girlfriend for administrative. It's totally separate. Wondering it's an obscene display of greed paying this guy fifty percent in the entire sludge hauling contract for nothing noted ooh we will remember meeting. Jim rosen the original pancake house. Remember that that was why right yes again bernard kilpatrick. He apprenticed immediately. I did what i was doing when he kept bullshitting with the money climate didn't trust him at all. This guy came to me five times. I can you know you guys like vegas. We can fly down to a weekend. Kwamsane and i went to toledo so you know. He and i said you're not you absolutely right. I think by then i knew something was coming but then i knew something was coming until now jim rosenthal was just a guy trying to land a contract with the city by paying in bribes to the mayor's father but after meeting bernard that day at the original pancake house rosenfels life would take a sharp turn by <unk> hold them over on the freeway one day again agent beckmann in i said look. Here's what i'm getting your truck with you. My partner dr driver's car back downtown. I'm gonna ride down to detroit with you and keep you from making any phone calls and ruining your chances to cooperate and explain this when i was approached by the f._b._i. By thought it was a joke again. Jim rosendahl this interview his from f._b._i. Training video i thought there in a black sedan thought was one of the city cars but soon figure it out after seeing a badge and different things like like that that it was the f._b._i. They wanted to talk to me. I got in his truck. I said you've been under investigation for months. Your phone's been tapped by the f._b._i. We know that you're paying bribes. We know that you hatched this plot with with <hes> bernard kilpatrick very impressive though we bugged his speaks i think i sat at the time. I need to get back with you tomorrow. I need to speak with my legal counsel but i kind of knew at that point where where things were having <hes> and to be honest. It was probably a little bit of a relief for me <hes> to bring this thing to a closure because it had taken on a life of its own and had spun out of control by the time we got back to the office you guys you know i'm tired of everybody having their hands out and shake me down and he said i'll get my lawyer but i'm sure sure i'll end up working with you. He would still come to town and pay bribes. This time made a bunch of recording equipment in his truck in nine nine years working for us. We had several meetings with with bernard kilpatrick. Sometimes jim rosenthal would wear wire when he met with bernard other times an f._b._i. Agent would film the two from a distance. There's one they're standing in a parking lot over in greek town. He was unloading a case of cristal champagne out of his truck handing at the bernard kilpatrick. Bernard kilpatrick wanted this case at crystal but then he says hey i need a few hundred dollars to it's christmas is coming in. I gotta buy some christmas presents for the grandkids so rosenthal takes us gum wrapper and he stuffing hundred dollar bills into this gum wrapper and in the hands as gum wrapper to tip bernardo patrick. I mean it's just petty greed in now. Give me one hundred bucks in your pocket one instance. We're seeing taking remember that. I remember that but i'm saying where when no money in there again bernard how much with three hundred dollars oh okay well. I'm i'm in demean three hundred dollars is that was that the christmas thing to karm <hes> yeah yeah yeah they they don't take it was a couple miles of kristall took took the i took it added eh his car and put it in escalate that look home and taking cash concealed gomert her dislike christmas forever but it doesn't look at our identity. I would say i would say the f. b. I. now had bernard the mayor's father on tape taking cash gifts but agent beckmann wanted to see how far benard art was willing to go to get his cut so we tell rosendahl paying. Let's see how this goes in because because it makes a great conversation sorry. I can't get your phone call. At this time i will be on vacation until january. The seven and we'll return in all phone calls at that time thinking yeah man. This is big. K <hes> appreciate a call a day vacation. No no motherfucking bake i can't have you told me that when you kill the deal i mean that just i can't do that. Bernard threatened to sabotage the synagogue deal. If he didn't get paid he met rosendahl at a restaurant to give them a piece of his mind. Maestro tells them hey we'll see we'll see how far you get with your processing plant there when it takes you a year to to get a a building permit. People could see what i don't have any action only it. He's just a consultant a blood relative of the mayor. This guy is at work for the city at all okay. He should not be able to threaten you with withholding a building permit. That's absurd. I walk away but i try to blow up the house. Yeah i can't get it was just the way i've always i in the cold with no money and y'all get upset. 'cause i get mad. He told me income tax you on at the restaurant. Rosendahl tried to pay bernard twenty five hundred dollars in cash and bernard got nervous. What are you on and a few months later. Bernard met rosendahl outside his apartment building the f._b._i. Caught the interaction on video maestro series wearing a sweatshirt with a sphinx the front of it like that and he's he's quite a bit taller than rosendahl. He's looking down at him and he steps into an alcove of his apartment building. It's cold in the alcove. You can kind of see either breath. I'm telling you that then you take twenty heads in the rest of our. I'm sorry but left shit keiko table anybody. I don't ever want anybody to see me. Take some money from somebody. You know. I've done everything that you guys have ever asked me to do and i want you to know that i care about you guys showing reason. I'm doing this you l. I mean so twenty five. I just ran to the bank got so for me. You told me to work with you so from here on out. I'm hoping you guys got that all straight we will so i appreciate appreciate what you did here and we're all going forward. Okay look back okay. Thanks bye <music> by now. Word word of the federal investigation had gotten back to the mayor's office. Kwami and bernard kilpatrick. Were starting to get suspicious. What am i tom. I'm on the way to the airport. I just wanted to say something to you. One day we're up on a wiretap bernard kilpatrick again agent beckmann columbia kilpatrick is sitting on a private jet is getting ready to leave town and he's trying to call his dad in warn him to stay away from who they call. The little white guy got four minutes luga yeah he says i need you to stay away from that little white guy for a minute in bernard kilpatrick his completely confused he has no idea who probably kilpatrick is talking about any starts guessing and they're both trying to talk in code. It's like a bad episode of the sopranos. They gotta keep guessing <music> from cy. Young jews kilpatrick says you mean the guy from shakai you know like we can't figure out what chicago is no him to but no little guy doesn't know you'll favor wipe province. You mean not not you mean air. Oh look to waste france state. No you ain't something like that and they never do figure this out. In in kwami could easily tell us dan stay away from this guy navy that i have no idea instead. He doesn't want to say it on the phone because he's trying to hide that relationship and he's trying to hide the warning. I mean i watch it. Kilpatrick were to say now. Hey there's nothing wrong with this. I was not doing something illegal really. Why are you talking in code like a mobster on the telephone. Operation in bombay dreams had been going on for six years assistant u._s. Attorney marchenko at that time there have been a lot of talk in the community community that there's this cloud hanging over the city that people were aware of the federal investigation so we wanted to basically get things going doing so that the city could move onto the next chapter the sweeping thirty eight count indictment accuses kwame kilpatrick and his cohorts of a wide ranging aging racketeering conspiracy involving extortion bribery and fraud on december fifteenth two thousand and ten is a federal grand jury indicted kwami kilpatrick bernard kilpatrick and three others with running a criminal enterprise a racketeering influenced and corrupt organizations case or rico thirty eight count rico indictment. Now rico is used for criminal enterprises unusually against organized crime figures. This is overwhelming. His guy is really in very bad shape. Mommy kilpatrick was no longer fighting for his political career or is marriage this time he was fighting for his freedom against the full force of the federal government. You know i'm ready for this fight before i felt so condemned guilty 'cause i was us cheated. I lied about it but this time i'm not guilty <hes> and i feel very strongly about fighting for myself and fighting for what is right and the truth only demet bernard kill batching me speaking in third person was you gimme my damn money. We gotta deal and and you better pay my motherfucker. Did you see any conflict of interest with your son being mayor and your business profiting from you know my son being mayor. It was kind of like a culmination of a lot of work. I put in for years at cassia a criminal conflict of interest and i'm wondering what would have been exploiting that relationship for financial gain in being illegal. Where's the line. The line is operational into. I never went to climb to ask him to help me in my life. I never did that so you never went to him and said you know hey this guy diomede contract. I'm working with these folks. You didn't apps at. I didn't have to and they're very serious. Charges rico very heavy organized crime criminal enterprise right. He'll patrick criminal. All that and i remember saying what is it such. Oh this is such bullshit russia next episode. Kwami kilpatrick goes on trial former former mayor of detroit kwame. Kilpatrick says he is not going to prison again this just a week before hundreds of prospective jurors will report to the federal courthouse for jury selection election in kilpatrick public corruption trial. Prime town is marks merlin and tax pontiac. This season is made in partnership with gimblett media and spotify. This episode was produced by samantha austin mitchell rob zippo serreyah shockley and me john white the senior producer is drew nellis editing being by zach stewart pontiac and marks murli fact checking by jennifer blackmailed. This episode was mixed sound design and scored record by sam bear original music. This season composed by homer stein weiss. 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Protests For Racial Justice: Community Organizers Share Stories From The Ground

On Point with Tom Ashbrook | Podcasts

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Protests For Racial Justice: Community Organizers Share Stories From The Ground

"From NPR and WBZ YOU are. Boston magnetized party, and this is on point. Today marks two weeks since George Floyd was killed by police in Minneapolis over those two weeks. His name has been the rallying cry for protesters across the United States and even cities around the world so this hour we're going to talk with some organizers in American cities about what they've seen. And what happens next and we're going to begin in Baltimore. Maryland kwami rose joins us from there is a social activist writer and artist. Welcome to on point. Magma thank you for having me on very excited to gauging astonishingly should. So, first of all I wonder if you might just tell us what have the past two weeks? been like for you. Where have you been every day for the past fourteen days? I've had a lot of sleep in the past two weeks. the past two weeks for us here in Baltimore. have been one of resilience one of all too familiar. Communal gatherings gathered around the outrage. The anger that state balance causes in black communities. not only that, but here in Baltimore. We've also been dealing with the pandemic covid nineteen. Trying to address the needs. That are highlighted because of that time. DIMICK's so we've been feeding thousands of people each week through world. Central Kitchen here in Baltimore. Because we know that blackout matter is not just about police brutality. It's about the overall living conditions of black people in this country. So you know you mentioned the the work that you're doing. He tells a little bit more about that specifically, then we'll go back to to this moment. yes, we know that Kobe nineteen is disproportionately affecting black people. and So. We've been feeding A. WE wanted our seniors vulnerable communities to stay home, so we've just been providing the meals through local restaurants. Paying the local restaurants were of feeding the economy and also feeding the people at the same time. and that I just WanNa be because I didn't mention the name of of the group and I'm so sorry about that world central kitchen, right? Yes, world central. Kitchen is chef. Jose Andres nonprofit. Meet Mook okay, great, and I apologize for that. It's want to be sure that everyone gets their do. in the course of our conversation, so so so tell me. I'd love to hear some stories specifically about what you've seen what it's been like in the midst of these incredible mass. In, Baltimore. There have been both joyful moments of coalescing of a movement, also obviously tensions and responses from law enforcement. What first person have you seen? you know what I've seen Let's not forget five years ago, Baltimore was hit. We were here not only where we hear, it took the burning of a CVS for the world to pay attention to a separate spot. So we'll be the last few days The protests started off a little antsy. People did not know how or what way was the most effective way in Baltimore to express their anger and outrage, and so that those of us who were there in two thousand fifteen on the ground We were only there to kind of guide people in a strategic man I will say. Over the course of the past two weeks, we have. Identified outside people coming into Baltimore only to wreck, have it? Those folks were here bringing tools. We have kicked them out. We have taken their tools and I'm talking about community leaders We had individuals bringing professional fireworks to protest One guy had a meat hook you in was using to destroy buildings in a damage So you know we we've seen. That instigators and agitators, but we will not let. Any individual or any group comes from outside of Baltimore to capitalize over the ability of black people's pain. So tell me more about your obviously exactly right about Twenty fifteen in Baltimore. You were just twenty twenty years old then and. Compare what's happening. Now to what you experienced then. You know. You told me I'm twenty six now so I'm kind of old guy. The protests so I I would say you know back then. We didn't know what we were doing back. Then the only thing we knew that we had to express outrage. We had to express anger. and We went to extreme measures now five years later not only are we as community leaders in an active is here on the ground. Not only are we. You know older immature, but we know more effective ways, and we know that the fight has to go beyond protests went in protesting. He's Mary important to the Liberation of black people in this country. Because people have to see US gathered, we'll have to see us on a front and so I think that is very important, we know. On the ground here in Baltimore after a even while we protest, we still have to be putting pressure on the governor Larry Hogan who has consistently throughout his terms as governor defunding Baltimore City, which is the which is a predominantly black city he has. Consistently put the lives of black people in the economic empowerment that we were. Headed for through legislation. He has consistently. defunding projects that were aimed to improve the living conditions of black people. You know you mentioned how people the country has to see. The see the protests if To see to to to be, it has to be the country to be confronted. Is The word I'm looking for with exactly what you're saying, the pain and the protest, but of course always. In America that carries a huge amount of risk for protesters I mean that goes without saying right but call me I just want to ask so that people know you in Twenty fifteen. In a sense went viral. Right when you. Believe you confronted. Geraldo Rivera. In Baltimore during the protests and essentially you confronted him in that video went viral. Can you talk about the consequences or the cost of that moment for you in the intervening years? Yes I think that's important has to lie where poaching it as community leaders and activists on the ground here trying to make sure that nobody has to go through those consequences. A few days after that Geraldo. Video I was fired from my job. the next month. In July Baltimore City Police took my car. Claimed to have tended windows. Did Not. I, was you know I didn't have any money? I was twenty one year old known for disrupting the status quo. I could make any money so I was addicted from our home over the last five years. I've been arrested twice. A one of my cases was known as the battle of the bullhorn. Thing was charged my charging documents. They said there was improper use of a bullhorn, but not just that but I was I was charge with the to the fullest extent of the law. Had it not been for the ACLU? I might have been one of the individuals. because. There were several individuals. Who received between two and a half years in prison, in fifteen years in prison on the federal level from their actions during the protests in Baltimore City. Know that you know. The police have gotten smarter. With surveillance! We've know that army planes flying over Baltimore City. We don't want anybody well. Already. Fall far, too many black people in jail. Right now in America, we don't want anybody going to jail during Colbert know that the police the powers-that-be will come after protesters after everything subsides, and they're recording everything, and so we just don't want young people in particular young black people. To be subjugated to those types of consequences. I don't want nobody to go through the trauma that our through back then. I want people to be strategic. Because, that's the only way we're going to win well, so we're GONNA. Talk a lot more about about that strategy over the course of the hour, but if you could just. Hang on here for for a moment. A want to bring in a voice from Denver Colorado. Anderson joins us as a community organizer and a member of the Board for Denver Public Schools as well tae welcome to on point. Thank you for having me. Thank you so much for joining us. I want to start with you in the same place that started with Kwami. Like what have the past two weeks been like for you? Where have you been? Around Denver. What have you seen? FOR US here in Denver, we have had a mixture of peaceful protests, and those who have come in and have not been so peaceful, and so what we have been trying to do is really differentiate the two because what happens is that black organizers get blamed for those who are coming in and destroying our cities? But technically we're not asking for them to do that on our behalf. And we've been organizing to the point where we're changing laws and policy here in the Denver. Metro area, and so we're working on a resolution currently to end our police contract with Denver public schools in the the Denver Police, department. The state legislature is working on the most comprehensive police reform bill in the state's history, so we taken our our actions in the streets to actions in our. Different municipalities that we represent. Tale tell us a little bit more because Kami also talked about this and I think it's really really important for people to understand the efforts that are going into Into these protests do what you said about. Cheating. The, peaceful, the vast majority of peaceful protests for posters from those those few who are not like how how are you guys going about doing that? And how effective has been or is it increasing ineffectiveness? Has it been increasing effectiveness over time? I think it has been increasing in the effectiveness. What we have told up like a prime example is yesterday. The Denver public schools came together around four to five thousand, strong of just Denver students teachers in parents, and we did a march for black lives, and so we were very candid and told people. If you're disruptive, you're here to cause trouble. This is the wrong march for you. You can go your. Your own, thank, we're not going to try to police you protests, but again you're not gonNA come and try to disrupt what we're doing here and so that is kind of been a message that has been shared around since these protests have begun, I have tried to get people to stop throwing things at police officers because we get people the innocently hurt. Well, I think it's important really to realize the amount of effort that's going into that because if you just look at the headlines, it's pretty easy to just automatically presume that there's randomness happening out there, but it's exact opposite GonNa talk more about what activists on the ground in American cities have been seeing experiencing and doing in this truly historic moment for the United. States will be right back. This is on point. This is on point Meghna Chakrabarti. We are talking this hour with activists in various American cities across this country about what the past two weeks have been like for them, and what they see in the road ahead for America at this truly remarkable and important moment in American history, we heard from several arm point listeners other cities as well for example. Here's Kia from Portland Oregon Kia left this message about her experiences there. On two separate evenings I've been tear. on one of those evenings I was teargassed multiple times by the police really for no reason whatsoever There were multiple parts to the protests and I was at a part of the protests that was happening near the justice. Center in Portland. And the police just fired. Tear us into the crowd. Because supposedly, we were too close to our offense. And I believe that's actually Kaya from Portland Oregon. So apologies for pronouncing your name correctly Kaya in Bangor, Maine, president trump traveled to me on Friday to tour a factory that's making swabs for Corona virus testing, and on point, listener William joined a protest in Bangor and response to the president's arrival. Ready for today's protests in Bangalore when trump lands. Surgeon my foot assigned says on one side. Trump is a cancer on our body politic. And on the other side, it says cut out the trump timber. With Democratic Scuffles Parentheses votes exclamation point. That's pointless. Listener William in Bangor Maine. I'm joined today by Kwami rose. He is a social activist, writer and artist. He's with us from Baltimore and Tae. Anderson is also with us. He's a community organizer and member of the Board, a member of the board for the Denver Public Schools as well in Denver Colorado and commentator just wanted to ask you. A question that should've started off with I feel like it's really really important. For! For listeners to hear and learn as much as possible about what that moment was like two weeks ago. When you first had learned about the death of George Floyd and what that sparked in you, and and why you think that lead to. What we have seen in the past two weeks. A really want people to get a visceral understanding of that kwami. Do you mind taking us back two weeks and the moment where I had learned what happened? I. Mean You know the moment you know you see the video? At. A certain point you. You kind of become numb to it. Listen here, we. We've seen countless videos over the last eight nine years. as it relates to this movement for black labs, but just the aggressiveness of this video right this officer. sat calmly on George. Floyd's neck with his knee press down his hands in his pocket in a relaxed position. You see him taking deep breaths there. It almost showed a symbolism. Would what America has been doing to black bodies for four hundred years? There's no longer any effort that it takes. To kill black people. Any at believe at this officer. I'm not even GONNA. Give Him the time of day to name him, but. You you see him sit. There will almost this position of I can do whatever they want to discount because of not value volume. He saw him as less than three fifths of the human being. And Tae same question to you. Two weeks ago I mean we were. In a position to where I think this has become numb to what everybody? Reaction has been we we aren't. We are no longer surprised and thinking. How could this happen? We're just like another one and that has been The sentiment here in Denver is that people are really frustrated. About more of a surprise. They're just frustrated that we're still having to March like this. People are talking about. We've been marching this for eight years since trayvon Martin died and nothing's changed. So. What is do you think it may be different? Now, Tae. Looking at changing more laws and policies, so that's where the change that I'm pushing for is coming from I. Think we're in the midst of another civil rights era and this is the time for us to be able to start getting ahead of the trend, and so most states will start looking at Colorado soon to say a will. They did this or they did that We'd been working to get police out of schools for ten years. Now this was this was the straw that broke the camel's back. We'll pay and kwami standby for just a moment because I want to now bring into the conversation in field. Stewart joining us from New York and is founder of the Okra Project Grassroots Organization Combating Food Insecurity in the black. Trans and gender non conforming community in welcome to on point. If you so much for having me Magna so so tell us. What have the past two weeks been like for you. The past two weeks for me I'm located in Queens New York, a very close to the epicenter of coronavirus epidemic, where it has hit the hardest I'm in so the past two weeks for me, have been a the balance of knowing and My feet needs to take to the street and knowing when. I can organize from home. I live with an immuno compromised person, and so wanting to keep them safe has been crucial. The past few weeks for me have been a lot of a hearing George Floyd's name and morning George Floyd while also hearing the erasure of on women's such as Brianna. Taylor and women such as Nina Pop. And and and men Tony mcdade and And so I think for me. It's been a lot of understanding of sort of trying to give as much name to black transpeople and making sure that our narratives are included. and black women as a whole are included in the narrative of state, section violence yeah I definitely hear you about the precautions that you have to take regarding co Vid and the immuno-compromised person that you share space with and totally hear that it, but there have been times where you have been able to to go out and understand that you. Were at the at the you spoke in front of the stonewall. I, was asked to speak in front of stonewall and on this past Monday and Spoke to the crowd about the importance of recognizing that I at the time I was surrounded by a crowd of mostly white faces, and while that's a space that I tried to avoid wherever possible I recognize that it was a moment to remind white people that if if indeed this is the moment where they have decided to wake up that that energy needs to be kept through twenty, twenty, one, twenty, twenty two, and in the many long years that there are in front of us. So. I want to ask you also the same question that ask Kwami and Tae because. At the re I'm GonNa just repeat myself. I just think it's really vitally important that all all Americans. Whatever. Race or ethnicity. You are really understand viscerally what this moment means when you first when you first found out what had happened two weeks ago. And what was your first response? What was your first thought feeling? Much of it was a numbness. I, think that for me. What has what has been the violence? Is that continued as? Is Not always the violence that comes. From a bullet or from a fist, but the violence of silence silence of legislation, the violence of documentation in this moment I'm thinking of lately and Polanco. Who was an Afro Latino woman a Trans Woman was. Found dead in her cell. Employees captivity and. Six weeks a six months of an investigation later it has been ruled that no one has to be responsible for that and thinking, of I, on a dior, who was recently beaten by men, and the video of that was circulated all over the Internet and so recognizing that George. Floyd Brianna Taylor all the people that I've mentioned. I carry all of them with me every day and resisting numbness while also channeling rage into action I think has always been the responsibility of black people across the world, unfortunately, because we are not really given the time that we need to mourn things because we have, we recognize that Although we deserve to more, and we deserve to hold community space that we are often asked to speak that we are often asked to to make action because who else is going to hold space for US I. think that in the last two weeks. It's been me asking that question. who really is going to hold space for us. When do we? When do we get to mourn? When do we get to be soft? When do we and and when do we? When does rage become legitimate? Is it only when there's no violence surrounding it? And and what do we even call violence right? And so I think that that that's been a lot of the things that I've been thinking about in the past two weeks. It's like how to Balance when I let myself be soft and gentle tender, and when I allow rage to fill me and move me where it needs to be more. Calm. Do you want to respond to them? What are your thoughts about this question of? WHEN DO BLACK PEOPLE GET to mourn? You Know I. do think that is a powerful powerful statement is that we don't get to more? essentially you have families I look at. Retrieve, online, family and I'm thankful that over the course of the past eight years built relationship with Jabbar Trayvon. Martin's older brother. And one time we were on the subway in New York City. In Davar says you know he tells me this story. Says he? Mom thinks that we have to get arrested. Because if we don't. we're not real active this. My question was. Do you not know what your family has been through like? Millions of people are staying new. All already have set the bar. but we. We don't have get to mourn because this continuously happens. We always have to spring into action right after the death. or though the killing on the murdering of one of our. Not only that, but I think that. We use terms like peaceful in violence, black people gathered to challenge state violence into say we. We deserve better. We deserve equity. We deserve to be paid for four hundred years of oppression that in itself is violence in the eyes of the institutional, which we are trying to break down we we don't have time to more America has never repented and I think once we finally get enough allies on both the left and the right black people can then take breath, but right now. We don't get the opportunity to take a breath because we have to Chan I can't breathe. I know. We only got you for about five more minutes. I'm gonNA spend just the last portion of this segment with you. If that's all right I'm not sure if people know, but you're you're. What are you twenty one right now? Twenty two twenty one. Twenty one and currently Colorado's youngest black elected official exactly as a as a member of the board of Directors for Denver public, schools and did you. Did you go to public schools as a student? Okay, and can you just tell us briefly what your experience was like? He talked about about the Denver public schools seeking to end its contract with with Denver police I mean. Did you have interactions with police in school when you were growing up? I necessarily didn't have a direct interaction, but I had too many close friends that did and we're thrusted into that school to prison pipeline at the school. Okay, and so what kind of? Progress, do you think can be made? In the next couple of weeks or months on that particular issue. We're getting ready to rethink disciplinary. Denver Public Schools How do we make sure that we're not punishing our kids just for doing kid like things at times, right ditching class does should not warrant an in school suspension We have to be able to start taking away some of these punitive things for very. Punitive punishments for very minor issues and being able to make sure that we're having a school system that's respecting the rights of all of our students, but also acknowledging that when we talk about supporting our black students, it's not just black men. It's Black Women Black Lgbtq a plus folks. It's not we get caught up in black lives. Matter is just about in our blind men. Getting shot or change in policy around for students is always about black and brown males, but it's actually about all of those. Who are who are students of color in our district? And tell me a little bit more about what what was happening or what is happening in the state legislature as well I'm just trying to get a sense as to how much momentum there is right now on on. Actual legislative reforms. Yeah! We have a bill in the Colorado Legislature that's currently in the Senate and it is aiming to do police. Reform. In Maine basically police accountability in the state of Colorado You can't use USA for. There's no you can't choke. Put a chokehold on somebody anymore. You wouldn't be able to shoot projectiles protesters. And or flash or FLASH BANGS ETC It really holds police. Officers Accountable says if you have. A crime or you've caused harm to somebody in a different state or even in a different county in Colorado. You can't work to be a police officer here anymore. We're not going to have those who has a history hurting different people across the country or the state. You can't work for our police force. Everybody must be able to actually serve and protect our communities, or you won't be able to get a badge in this state. Now about shooting projectiles at protesters that happened to you. Yes. And tear gassed as well. You're in a in a crowd of protesters that included Denver. Public School Students Yes, we were just dispersing from one rally and there were some. White folks that were agitating and throwing different like beer cans at the police officers, and there were students literally ten feet behind those people and try to get students to get out, and then that's when the first bank went off and. The smoke came smoke went up. Really didn't have enough time to grab those individuals in, so I was heartbroken because that was that was my. Frustration as we literally had innocent children gassed and shot at for for something that they did not do, and now they're traumatized, and that's why we have to in this contract with Denver Police. Now I understand also say. We're. We talked to Kwami a little earlier about the cost of being. A black protester in this country I understand that you've had to get a bulletproof vest. Yes. The there were some. Threats that were made over the past couple of days where I was advised to stay at home. And take precaution as needed in decided that if I'M GONNA be out protesting I. Need to be able to make sure that I'm safe, but make sure that others are safe I don't WanNa be an unnecessary target for somebody else to try to make a point. You know I really WanNa. Make sure that I don't have been in my community at the same time. Well taken Anderson a community organizer and member of the Board of Directors for Denver Public Schools joining us today from Denver Colorado Tae. Thank you so very much for being with us today. Thank you for having me and Ian and Kwami standby for just a moment we are talking this hour with activists in several cities across the country about what the past two weeks have been like for them what they see and think about this pivotal potentially pivotal moment in American history, and where their efforts and their movements may lead to next. We've got a lot more when we come back. This is on point. This is on point Meghna. CHAKRABARTI! Tomorrow on the program. We will be speaking with Pulitzer. Prize winning historian David Blight about the need for a Modern Day Civil Rights Act in the midst of what we're seeing as a modern day, civil rights movement right now. So what would a Civil Rights Act for twenty twenty look like call us with your questions or thoughts about that. At six, one, seven, three, five, three, zero, six, eight, three, six, one, seven, three, five, three, zero, six, eight, three. That is for tomorrow's. Tomorrow's show today we are talking with a group of activists from American cities across the country about what the past two weeks have been like for them, and what the future holds, and the direction that they see the protests turning to and the movement turning to as well. We heard from several on point listeners about this. This is on point Listener Anne. Who has been taking part in protests where she lives in Brooklyn New York and she left a voicemail on Friday describing the scene where she is. Five blocks from my apartment last night. heavily heavily are group of police. Were videotaped breaking the rules. They were tackling people to the ground off bicycles. They were stealing bicycles. They were pepper, spraying miners and clergymen and arresting. Detaining a journalist. That's Anne in Brooklyn New York and she also said that from her vantage point. She's a paralegal. She's uncertain of what will come next. I don't know where we go from here. It feels like our country is heading in two completely unrelated directions at once you have. Joe, Biden, saying well police should shoot them in the leg instead, and then you have you know the people I'm working with WHO are saying? We need to abolish the police. Each take police funding, and we need to give it to hospitals and childcare and social work and. The train system and street sanitation mental health efforts. Those would all be much much more effective. That's any an on point. Listener in Brooklyn New York I'm joined today by Kwami rose. He's a social activist, writer and artist in Baltimore and also with us from New York is Ian Fields Stewart founder of the OKRA project and joining us now from Minneapolis is a lucy only off a Lucia I'm so sorry it's been a long morning. We already. I'm going to try that one more time. Only G Omega today. Say That, right? Told Me Oklahoma Yoga? Very sorry, can you? Can you forgive me for for screwing that up I'm so sorry, but we'll Lucci joins us from Minneapolis and his co founder of black visions collective. Welcome to the program. And first of all, can you just tell us what? With the past two weeks have been like for you. Yeah, so first of all I want to apologize. couple. Voices over there so hopefully I can understand understand me. I am a truth. How strong as person? So this last two weeks definitely embodied Gemini season. A lot of really highs, a lot of really lows. Seem defeats and on Major. Folks yesterday. But it's just been. It's been a lot. It's been like a lot of despair. It's been a lot of angers a little. But also have had a lot of joy in lot of wings. Have really shifted the way that we look at police in Minneapolis in the world. See mentioned yesterday. Tell me more about that. Yes so yesterday. Momentous. Of Veto. Proof majority me Apple City Council. Just, committed to dismantling and defending the Minneapolis Police Department. Did. You ever think that you would see even just just that moment happened. I was talking to someone bucket before. I've been organizing for almost a decade. And I've always known that. was. Like critical, it was integral to black liberation. I knew that current police stone couldn't exist in a world where black people were actually three, but I never could envision that future. I've never could like actually see that for myself I just thought of it as a science fiction, right or like fantasy that was like a reality of future generations, but Malan can actually clearly see. This is a reality that could happen in this generation of the next. Were folks in Minneapolis? Don't have to grow up police which is quite a while. Well in and Kwami jump in here I mean. What do you think about it seems like? I mean they're in Minneapolis perhaps in other places. Do you feel like we're on the verge of of a new reality? I think that for me what I find. There is something about this moment. That is so bitter sweet. The sweetness comes from A. From seeing articles come out about like the work that's happening in Minneapolis and shout out to all of the organizers in Minneapolis, who have like clearly pushed legislation through to begin to explore and begin a process of defending, which is something that defending the police dismantling them, which is something that I never thought I would see in my lifetime And and the bitterness of this moment is that. We. This is something that has been talked about in that. We as black people. Black organizers have been talking about for so so long. This conversation has been going on for such a long time and kind of reach this moment where it just seems to be happening overnight I. CAN'T I would be lying if I said there isn't sort of a bitterness to it in that. It's like I don't know that I can fully believe in. In what's happening right now? I want to lean it, but I've leaned in before and been proven wrong and what I think. What is so difficult about this? That is that makes it so bitter, and so is that like the the revolution that we're asking for is that it's common sense if we have if the police force was funded and founded in the transatlantic slave trade which it was. How why would we not abolish that? It's like. Why would we not put more money into raising children? Why would we not put more money into making sure that education is accessible to all people? Why would we not make sure that people who can't afford? Cars are able to rely on public transportation you know. Why is this a fight that we have to have and so I think that. I feel I feel that that sort of that rumbling of hope again that I feel like you know bubbles underneath the surface of every activists. Rage our anger. Is that that that burgeoning hope? and. I also feel the bitter. The bitter sort of like staying of the reality. Check that I had had to give myself so many times just sort of take away that hope. Yes me, can we talk about the that bitter sting a little bit more because I'm thinking in terms of? Massive calls for police reform. To be honest. We've been here before. Right in the United States. I was just thinking back in twenty fourteen in Ferguson. Back the Attorney General Eric Holder had said that federal authorities did consider dismantling the Ferguson police police department. They eventually reached. The city eventually reached a completely. An agreement with that was short of that. It called for massive reforms whether those reforms have been fully ineffectively implemented in the six years since then is an open question so while this may be a moment of hope. They're still considerable uncertainty and work ahead. Yes there there is an I. Don't want anybody to get comfortable. With the idea of what happened in Ferguson, what happened here in Baltimore in Baltimore where also under a consent decree by the Justice Department? And if you look at the police budget? Baltimore is number one in the country as it relates to a dollar per police. Per Capita, and it's not even close. We could take a hundred and fifty three million dollars away. From Baltimore City Police Budget in in in not in not even including the forty eight million dollars in overtime they got last year and we'd still be number one per capita for police, so I don't want people to get comfortable What I think is important. Right is for this moment to be successful. We talked earlier in the show about there being more white folk at protests than ever. It's going to take white people on the left and the right to come to these protests to listen to the voices of black people in take those lessons learned back to their own communities in. Do some real damage. We look at the Mayor of Minneapolis Jacob. Pray when this first happened. We were applauding him. For saying right things for allowing space for protesters within with Jacob Frey got in front of protesters, yesterday and black people asked him to support what they want it. He couldn't do it so white folks when you show up. That's not just enough when you leave. You have to take what black people are demanding. Do everything in your power in. You'll privilege to make. Make sure that it happened. Right and an old you WanNa talk about that a little bit because mayor fray as kwami mentioned he, he told a group of protesters yesterday that he does not support dismantling the city's police department. Even though if I'm reading this correctly, there's a veto proof majority on the on the city council in support of it tells more. Yeah. So. I don't really have a yellowish thing. If name run the technically FRY. French fries, I don't really. Imagined incorrectly, but So that was actually on Saturdays was two days ago. I was one of the protests that was on the card. And the tax bill the the interesting volleyball. Is like interesting viewpoint because inside Banana Polis. People weren't taking Jacob I like they weren't applauding chicken fried, even when he said that he fired the police, and they're going to take them in all of these things, the voices of the young people on the ground right folks who are putting their bodies on the rain was no longer. We want to police the accountable by convicting member charging rain. What they were calling was the complete dismantling of the police. And those were the words of were saying in the protests in the streets were not accountability. Like how do we actually change the system? Because we know that this continues to happen? Regardless of the police are convicted regardless of what happens, right? But. Yeah, so we gave the opportunity to be on the right side of history to talk to us, and to say we to define the police and he didn't do it, and he showed his face. He showed where he the line. In Minneapolis, we actually have a week. And a very strong city council. As opposed to Saint Paul, who has backed opposite? Meaning! The the council who really helps the power right? So this is actually not like. It's very very very hard for the marriage. Actually overturn what the city council! In this moment. Well tomorrow on the show or this week we're going to be talking about not just in Minneapolis, but in cities and many cities across the country, and including all the way in to Congress about these ongoing efforts right now for. For police reform so with that I just WanNa say thank you to the three of you for joining us today to give us the view from where you are in the United States over these past two historic week, so Luccio Moga in Minneapolis so much for joining us today. Andalucia is co-founder of black visions collective in Minneapolis and Ian Fields Stewart founder of the OKRA project joining us from New York Ian Thank you so much for joining us, and for having me and Kwami rose in Baltimore. Maryland social activist writer and artist it a great pleasure to have you on the show. Thank you so much. Thank you for the platform right? Well. I WANNA spend the last couple of minutes today with Jack Beatty. News analysts with us from Hanover New Hampshire Hello There Jack. Hello Mega, so, what are you here in in the voices of these activists who who joined us on the? Program today. I hear idealism. stoked by indignation. It's it's. It's inspiring actually to hear it, and then to realize how young these people are, and one a long road, both positively and negatively positively meaning they'll. They'll be in it for a long time, but what they want. is going to take a long time, too, but it sounds like they're in it for the long haul. Well and that, in fact, the nation has been in this you know long haul regarding racial and social justice for for centuries, and and the the thing we can't know yet, but how much of a turning point these past two weeks have been, and will be but I think it's inescapable that something remarkable is happening in this in this country I mean that in the in in the in the course of just a couple of days. This idea of massive police reform has swept across so many cities in the United States all the way to Congress I. Don't think many people would imagine. Have have imagined that even a couple of months ago. No and so already. It's brought results just this morning and in Congress. The Democratic Leadership took a knee in a committee room, and they were dressed with that African stalls around their neck, and they introduced a sweeping police reform bill that would limit partial immunity for place ban no knock warrants ban Cho- Kohl's on and on a whole list of reforms that have been around for years, but needed the pro these protests to reach the point of crystallization, the hard point now of getting things into law. Unfortunately you know politics maximum. Politics is a slow boring of hard boards. Things don't happen fast in politics, but it's beginning right now today on Capitol Hill. And Jack? Do you think how how many how would you compare this to? A massive upheavals that we've seen especially around civil rights and in the past. Well. There was a if I can remember correctly. There was a shock to the conscience of seeing bull, connor and those dogs that really. Galvanized I think the conscience. The dormant conscience of White America something similar may have happened with this with this. Video of George Floyd's murder. Now, how long does that last Martin Luther? King at a speech at Stanford said it out that whites only cared about removing these ugly things from their minds not about. Giving equality to blacks. We'll have to see whether that. prophecy that fear is born out now. Well, Jack Beatty, on Point News analyst Jeff. Thank you as always. Thank you. By the way just as a reminder tomorrow, we're going to be talking with Pulitzer Prize winning historian David Blade. He won the Pulitzer Prize for his remarkable biography of Frederick Douglass, and he's going to be talking about the need for a new civil rights act of Civil Rights Movement for twenty twenty. That's tomorrow on the show. I magnin Talker Bardy. This is on point.

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S2 E16: Surrendered

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S2 E16: Surrendered

"This episode of crime town is brought to you. By nature made melatonin gumy's these dummies are strawberry flavored gluten free and one hundred percent drugfree and best of all they have melatonin which can regulate your sleep cycle so you can wake up ready to take on the day to learn more go to nature may dot com. Hey hey crime town listeners. I'm rob one of the crime town. Producers are team spent a year investigating crime and political corruption in detroit to make season two and let me tell you the the stories are just getting started. Don't wait a week for the next episode. Listen to all of season two today. Go to crime town v._i._p. Where you can listen in the spotify app or you're on your desktop hello chicago if there her is anyone out there who still doubts that america has a place where all things are possible tonight. It's your answer. I when barack obama got elected the president. Where were you county jails saito on november fourth two thousand eight kwami kilpatrick. He'll patrick watched his barack. Obama declared victory in the presidential election. Toronto always wanted to get a key with a funny day <music>. We came to the warnings together. This whole political world fund raisers for being acknowledged. Your great mayor kwame kilpatrick pat happy form tonight. He went into this meteoric type of a fight the night we both get two thousand pounds four <hes> doc democratic party the face at like before on the net spread the vice president of these united states john it is now eleven o'clock on the east coast and we can report history. Barack obama is projected to be the next president of the united states of america. I go party ofra jesse and everybody kerak. He came on speech. It's been a long time. Come but tonight because of what we did on this day. Change has come to america of course the nurses very county. A different solves came and you know they will have cheered. They actually the lobby that my to watch tv and overwhelmed with emotion cried happy at all. It's college awfully goes so knows that we can't and we will respond with that. Timeless free that sums on the spirit of a p._m. Yes we came. The old political ally had just become the country's first black president while kwami was sitting being in a jail cell house a room so small that i could sit on the bed and i could touch all four walls in that room and <hes>. I don't believe that anybody could understand what it's like to have. The full responsibility of your demise uh on your shoulder and simultaneously sitting solitaire tried sail. I i actually despise life itself. I got to the point where i really take care. If i live today on the show after serving serving time behind bars kwami gets a taste of freedom. But how long will it last. I'm john white. Welcome took crime town today. We have filed a twelve pound criminal information that contains charges against mayor kwame kilpatrick kilpatrick also giving up the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty. You understand that they gave up a long time ago. Ah yes detroit mayor kwame kilpatrick is going to jail. There's a lot of hate. My son is in jail. Bavin some six the former detroit mayor kwame kilpatrick. It could be an hour away from freedom. Were told by jail officials that shortly after the clock strikes twelve kilpatrick will leave his fifteen by ten foot jail cell and walk out the front door just like any other inmate would do after serving ninety nine days in county jail for perjury and obstruction of justice former detroit mayor. Kwami kilpatrick walked free. A cheering crowd of supporters was waiting for him. It is reported. The former mayor will be heading directly to texas. His wife and three sons are already. There and one of his lawyers says he has a job interview waiting waiting for him on wednesday are invest after kwami went to jail his wife and children had moved to texas to try and start over wami join them and got a job as a software salesman. I'm in texas. You know i pull it in front of his house. That was nice cows. I should be happy. I'm not in jail. I'm making money. I'm doing well. <hes> me and my wife are starting to have conversations again and i was absolutely miserable. I sat in the car in front of my own in house and didn't want to go in and i just knew that i don't know what it was but something in my so just didn't wanna be there didn't want to be a part of what was going on there. All i ever wanted to be shorter. All i ever it will be living lifeless detroit michigan and so to make that transition and go to the dallas texas was hard for me. I'm thinking detroit is in the rear view mirror but the detroit media wasn't quite ready to leave kwami alone. The kwami kilpatrick is apparently making himself at home at a new house in texas. According to the detroit news is valued at about three three hundred seventy three thousand dollars but it's unclear right now how much kilpatrick is paying in the home. As part of his plea agreement. Kwami was supposed to pay the city of detroit a million dollars dollars in restitution and his new lifestyle and texas didn't sit well with the detroit media a whole lot of people are wondering but as lavish lifestyle style and taxes and more importantly who's paying for the family moved into this five thousand square foot house paying twenty six hundred bucks a month in rent at the time kilpatrick was paying paying nearly twice as much for cable and internet as it was paying in restitution to detroit for you really making an affordable. I guess <hes> <hes> you know <hes> you know. We make enough money to pay to be sky just like every family in america. We work hard. We work hard to make sure that we can do what we need to do for children internacionales but does he really need this much house. 'cause kilpatrick slept in the same area with a little less extravagance. He broke the law. Now is accused of violating his probation next for the mayor. Turn convict kwami kilpatrick headed back to the d despite having a fulltime job that paid six six figures. Kwami claimed he could only afford six dollars a month in restitution detroit mayor year after his release he missed a seventy nine thousand dollar payment and was hauled back to court in detroit in the hour long hearing he'll patrick made a last attempt to sway judge david groner. He struggled with his composure at first but then spoke almost twenty minutes. Did i cheated on my wife. I spent a whole year fill an enormous amount of guilt for what i did to my wife my children and the when i walk out of that jail sale february for two thousand nine the only thing was to reconcile now with my family and my stupidity and i know that it is to try to buy my way backing over budget so presents china that make everything perfect respectfully humbly everything. That's in me to be free to go home now. While belong you balked feign poverty misrepresented your financial status living in a million dollar home driving brand new escalates shopping at high end designer stores and purchasing elective surgery for your wife july to this court continue unutilized after pleading guilty to lying in court. Obviously there has been no rehabilitation therefore you will serve a maximum of five years michigan department homage correction baxter the judge sentenced what is killed patrick to prison deputy stepped in quickly to handcuff him and he was gone. It's kinda hard to articulate what i was feeling because there were so many emotions this is carlita quantities wife being interviewed for a film called camp k. a documentary humidity of kwami kilpatrick disbelief and anger and hostility and fear and resolved <music> after he was sent to prison he. They mailed me his suit that he wanted to court <music>. It was so much going on in just trying to i guess not go crazy and i think the soup kind of embody all of that and <hes> you know all the sack jack was gone and that su cada stale had has come on and it <music> changes changes in the way i had never been chained up. Flank goes way blackbox art <hes> like hannibal elected behind that thus during his first sentence kwami and spent a little more than three months in a small county jail this time he would spend at least a year and a half in a state prison and we call it incident huge parking lot scrap a huge mall parking lot but mpn no stores and -ill everywhere and then it was like look it has all of the wants a yot steph out that at a bus and eh you start to call nate <music>. I'm just watching this whole thing whether it was it was a incredible scene was in school is mostly african american me being hauled off these straight line and jailed kilmer here must number to come and get your ass already and i'm listening to this and watch it and i'll let off aw was sixteen nineteen. I thought of the first servants recall coming over james. How virginia for africa get knocked place at the you know chained up walking and yield and moved trial and almost outside of myself. I was watching watch this movie. We scared. I wasn't scared. <hes> padilla from the indus amount of shows shift of the more is <hes> say i was out with it because you got up. They get off the bus jordan going out kid you asshole. You didn't make now patrick deal with their own home at that moment. You know i'm here. You know you got it. You're not in kansas anymore. Talk to <music>. This episode of crime town is brought to you by nature made. You're anything like us crime town producers. You could probably use a few more hours of sleep. It's pretty late in studio right now and i'm here with zach one of our hosts zach. I heard your sleep sleeps been kind of tricky lately. <hes> what's going on. <hes> i have a young son who's twenty. Months old is named teddy. He's super cute. He's a pretty good sleeper but he sleeps seven p._m. A._m. to six a._m. So early riser these days so it's very important for me around ten ten thirty get to sleep the only time i'm gonna get ah will so. 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You can trust to get started good at simplisafe dot com slash crime town that simplisafe dot com slash crime town. Hey crime town listeners. This is rob and this is john. We're produces of crime town and you're listening to crime town season two so we put a lot into investing detroit's complicated relationship with crime and political corruption and our reporting took place. We didn't expect in fact there was at one time john that you had that particularly tense meeting scheduled with a look legend kind of in detroit right and he was really difficult because he was always suspicious that we were the f._b._i. Or cops or that we meant him harm in some way and he had a lot of secrets that he just didn't want to share with anyone anyone right but he had agreed to meet at his house hartman his lair and like you showed up and you were just sort of like it was a little nerve wracking because you're like. I don't know how this guy is going to react because it said he said if you if you mess up you slip up we're gonna get you which is not the kind of you want to hear before you go into someone's home but it all oh don't work that fun in the end all down but you don't have to go outside your comfort zone to hear detroit's best crime stories all of crime town season two is available right now on spotify listen to how it all turned out go to crime town dot v._i._p. Where you can listen to spotify app or on your desktop he. I was sent to level four maximum security prison. That was the first place they sent him. This is carrie. Turner commies cousin by marriage. I distinctly remember being in visitation room sitting with him. There's another inmate sitting next to me. Gallagher just like bam bam bigelow huge guy white man ball head touted everywhere in kwami may pleasantries <unk> conversation you know and then when this guy has visit ended comedy you see that guy that just walked away and i said yeah he said serving natural life for murder he said. Why did they send me here. In that struck struck me some like yeah why are you. Why are you here. Man and i just remember the gravity in that moment <hes> i do. Kwami kilpatrick has been in prison about a year now. Kilpatrick asked the parole board to be released early and was interviewed by the board about a month go during his interview with parole board kilpatrick said he'd learned from his experience and admitted that he had broken the law our jackson prison releases most recognizable releasing inmate kilpatrick begins at six thirty tomorrow morning on august second two thousand eleven kwami kilpatrick walked out of prison for the second time the audio you're hearing from footage captured by the makers of the documentary cam k. who kwami allowed to follow him yeah. We're supposed to take pitcher get through that door on my wife is bad. I gotta get outta here you in the footage. Kwami is lost weight and grown a beard. He's wearing a loose-fitting peach button and he's grinning from ear to ear. Are the my way i i fall. I fall hey baby. They waited five. Who was what's up. Big foul sleep me was so really the man so i see in a few hours jake uh dozens of excited family members and friends were anxiously waiting to welcome kwami kilpatrick home from prison. Your in providence rhode uh-huh after stopping at his mother's house. Kwami boarded a plane for dallas is texas where his wife and sons or waiting for him for so allo sweden i can you do the knock you. How do they still to still. Ain't you got the first time that i've been with my boy. <hes> rust in the prison in may of two about paying so i spent most of that i <hes> four or five months at home. I'm just being day. I picked them up from school. I took the school and i talked to ask questions for semi big time. You know they're they're. They're eleven. You know oh twelve years old so asking about you know what happened in detroit lana. We get all this stuff about. All these rumors and you know then we see you. We know that this is not true. I had to explain it first of all that. Some people are mad and evil and they try to break you trying to hurt you. I i told the truth. I started to feel that there was an element of group think setting into the community cari turner cousin by marriage is also a journalist through all this training still tells me that the two sides to every story but i'm only feeling like i'm hearing one and <hes> approach minnesota you know. Have you thought about telling your story and he just looked at me. A cactus headse- eh have thought about it. Patrick has a blog. He has a facebook and a twitter account and he's using all all three to promote his tell-all book today. The former mayor tweeted out kwami. Co patrick has surrendered. It's not just provocative. Did it. Incorporates the name of his new book surrendered the rise fall and revelation of kwami patrick and he the book is called surrendered. Well you know that's a that's a layered title. Cari turner was the co author of the book and we we wrestled with titles for months you know and and he finally came to that title. He wanted the book to reflect that he was surrendering himself itself spiritually kind of surrendering himself to his his own faults. He did feel that he had some fault fault that he needed to outgrow and behind me. People are starting to line up here at the church. It holds a thousand. The pastor will question kwami kilpatrick for about an hour. Take questions questions for forty minutes and then the former mayor will sign and sell his new book. The quami headed back to detroit to promote the book. The book is out. It can be purchased stat kwami kilpatrick dot com or amazon dot com. You know everybody that's read the book. It starts intelligent conversation whether you support finally kilpatrick. How would you like me and now. I believe it's a good reason people said that you could have been possibly <hes> the president of the united states. What are your thoughts on. That's the job that i've never wanted. Remember how barack spoke at first and he walked on the stage. You know with swagger and ahead all this information about his walk. You see i had to tone even that now yes so i wouldn't want that position <hes> because i don't believe that i could be so oh compromised in myself. Wami was back in his element in his charm. Offensive seemed to be working. Thank you for coming. I am you're still you're still very brave. You still demand kwami kilpatrick troubles and you've done your thing but rather you are just rich with the gift thanking kami kilpatrick life and sticking around the country <hes> and you know just living life that was so different from the one i had before they feel comfortable it really <hes> happy joyful life but that life wouldn't last <music> through almost all of qualms time in the mayor's office through all of his scandals and prison sentences. There was something going on in the background background that was much more serious than perjury charge or probation violation of federal investigation back in in two thousand four. We were you're looking at a number of different things that were <hes> pointing towards a large organized conspiracy of criminals that were in city government in the person at the top of that structure of criminal activity was climbing kilpatrick. What do that's next time on crime. A crime town is marks merlin and zach stewart pontiac. This season is made in partnership with gimblett media and spotify. This episode was produced by serreyah shockley shockley. Rob zip code some anthony lee and me john white the senior producer is drew nellis editing backstory pontiac and marling fact checking by jennifer black for the rest of the time. This episode was mixed. Ext sound designed in scored by sandberg original music. This season composed by homer stein weiss. We recorded some original music at rustbelt studios in detroit in partnership with detroit sound conservancy special thanks to carlton goals and maurice paran ahead heard additional music by john cusack jack kennedy kuzak john evans additional mixing by bobby lord of our theme song is politicians in my eyes by death our credit music. This week is politicians in my eyes covered by the dirt bombs archival research by brennan reese. Some of the audio in this episode also appears courtesy of tim enticement and their film cam k. documentary of kwami kilpatrick additional archival material israel courtesy of w x y z show art and design by james cabrera and at least harbin thanks to the detroit free press peter bhatia jim schaefer mary schrader melanie maxwell mary wallace elizabeth clements max white randy lundquist and everyone who shared their stories stories with us detroit's amazing place. We're honored to tell a small part of its story. 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Breaking Kwame News With Charlie Langton

Mojo In The Morning

06:37 min | 5 months ago

Breaking Kwame News With Charlie Langton

"Hey it's mojo. What is at kroger. Shafqat chef is the latest innovation from kroger created to reinforce its commitment. That fresh is for everyone. I talk about this all the time. And i love how so. Many more people are spending time cooking baking and gathering around the dinner table. Chef bought supports. Also the zerohungerzerowaste program. That's kroger's amazing program to make sure that they feed more people throughout the world. Kroger wants you to do this. Snap a photo of three ingredients that you already have tweeted to at kroger chef bod and kroger will send off to you a recipe so that you could use those items on your dinner tonight. Kroger is making it so easy for everyone so tweet that photo right now at kroger shafqat and get ready to start cooking. Music means we got breaking news. We have breaking news shannon. We touched upon it in the dirty. Just a little bit but on the phone with us right now. Our good friend charlie. Langton is on with us from fox to With a breaking news story that you guys had last night. Charlie and i'm wondering if we can confirm it Reports that kwami kilpatrick the former mayor patrick now former mayor of detroit. Yeah that that he might be released from prison. Well i wish. I could totally confirm it. But i'll tell you why some people that have more authority than i are confirming it. I state representative karen that she's a state rep. She says the quantico patrick will be released kwami sister. Ianna tweeted earlier or late last night. That kwami will be released Those two right there as a buzz on social media. That's for sure. I talked to match night. He is the us attorney. He did not confirm or deny it. He said talk to me tomorrow. Which would be sometime today. Certainly plan on doing that. You know i remember You'll probably this. Rumor happened about inmate and it didn't go anywhere kwami prison. So he sends a twenty years in prison. He's only seven years but the reason could be coded. It could be a commutation of the sentence by president. Trump could be provoked rumors. Go all over the place. So i guess the problem line at the moment he's in prison But there are some reputable sources. I would say that are pending kwami kilpatrick. We'll be out today. Charlie a quick question. 'cause they're discussing about how they're That they believe that he got an unfair sentence. just like most they say african american men was that an unfair sends. It seemed like a lot of money that he was he was stole from the city and they still haven't even been able to find. I mean some people could argue is a bad sentence but if you take a look at the federal sentencing guidelines or a couple of things that really were bad number one qualm become. Patrick was convicted of racketeering. That's not good. He used his office. Has an elected mayor to do is dirty deeds. That's not good. And the millions of dollars that were alleged to have been. Were a result of this racketeering Not good either. So the guidelines believe it or not twenty years well within the guidelines and they had multiple hearings and breathes and every single possible due process is the sentence. It's the toughest one of the toughest one the toughest one i like. The country is within guidelines. You mentioned That the release you know. Obviously everybody's talks about covid releases but you mentioned. The president trump released a day before the election. Does this help him. As far as votes are concerned i i. Yeah well. that's a good question. I mean we're trying to analyze this. But here's the deal you have to. You have to know that. We'll just quantum. Patrick have support in the city of detroit for example because i think that's the real target area a lot of people would say yes. But here's the deal. Roughly from what. We're hearing roughly four hundred thousand voters detroit. Maybe half of. Oh that's two hundred thousand. So and most of them are biden. Democrats however yeah. There's three four five percent that may say hey president trump thank you for releasing assuming quantities that popularity might be. There's a lot of thousands of votes that would swing but couldn't couldn't add affect some of the people that are supporters of the president the the republicans that like the president that say. Hey tommy go patrick's thief well what you're really saying. Comb county because that's targeted area county. Say oh my gosh. Why did you get this guy out. He's he should be in prison. But doing the numbers probably not i think. Mccomb county trump supporters are trump supporters. No matter what he does. Charlie linked from fox to with us. We favourite charlie. Even if it's just a quick text message the moment that you hear if there's any any confirmation of this you gotta let us know before we get the alerts from fox. Two's website. Because i i feel like i need to have the know on this one because obviously we flew that plane above the prison on his sentencing day. That said. don't drop the soap kwami. I'm afraid of this of a bitch getting out. I saw a contest giving away some shoes. If you could give away some kwame. Joe faster choose. I think you guys would be. I said this. Can you'll remember this. But i said kwami patrick get out of prison and run for mayor and he would win the election. Because people in the city loved kwami kilpatrick. Yeah all right. Charlie chart go ahead. Who don't charlie. What happened every choked her. Charlie we thought something was wrong. We can't lose charlie link. No no. I just saw me walking by charlie. Always good to have you on buddy take care of yourself okay. You got you too. Thanks charlie when you're trying to expand your family and having a tough time doing it. The doctors at michigan one help their success rate for iv is pretty amazing. 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A Conversation With Chef Kwame Onwuachi

1A

34:51 min | 2 years ago

A Conversation With Chef Kwame Onwuachi

"Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from Fidelity Investments, taking a personalized approach to helping you grow and protect your wealth. Learn more at fidelity dot com slash wealth. Fidelity brokerage services LLC. This is one A. I'm Joshua Johnson. Plummy on watchi- has had quite a journey from his mother's kitchen in the Bronx to being a finalist for the James beard rising star chef of the year along the way there have been some high profile defeats and some big successes here in Washington. His new book is called notes from young black chef and he joins us now in studio Kwami on watching welcome to one act that you've ever having me. How did you get into cooking? That's a great question. My mother she's a chef. So she was an accountant, and she started a catering company from the house and my sister, and I became our first to employees essentially, so freely free labor. I've been there. Yeah. It'd be doing laundry appealing shrimp in fabricating vegetables. So that's how it all started. For me. What was it about working in the kitchen that appeal to you more than than doing laundry? I think the creativity behind it. I wasn't able to experiment as much as I am now when I was younger. But just you using your hands, you know, and creating a meal for someone. I think that's what cooking is really all about. It's about the person that you're, you know, providing the meal to and how they're responding to it in that feeling is something that I became addicted to talk about the place that food had in your family. What did a well prepared home-cooked meal? Signify it signified we're all getting along for one. You can relate to that too. You know, my sister bakes, you know, my mom cooks I cooked. So when we're all in the kitchen together, we're we're normally there's no fighting, you know, but it also represents unity. You know? It's us coming together. Despite our busy lives and sitting down and breaking bread. You can share a room with one another long enough to prepare a meal vaccines must be relatively. Okay. Now when you were about ten years old as I understand it you moved to Nigeria for a couple of years. Why did you end up in Nigeria? I ended up in Nigeria because of my own behavior. You know, I wasn't. I was veering off on the wrong path very quickly which is easy to do. You know, growing up in New York City South Bronx, especially you know, your left to your own vices. And I was not doing I was supposed to be doing even at a young age. And my mother saw that and she had two options. It was military school or send me. Back home to Nigeria and Nigeria was a little cheaper than sending me to military school. So she told me I was going for a couple of weeks. So I was really excited to be in Nigeria with my grandfather and my family, and I got out there. She quickly told me that I would be staying there until I learn respect respect elaborate on that respect for the opportunities that I have here in America. You know, I think we take for granted a lot of things that we think are just normal and are given like running water and electricity, and just you know, being able to put your mind to something and really achieving. So I don't know if she had a way to quantify that you know, I think two years. That's that's how long she made me stay over there. When I came back. I definitely had a newfound appreciation. I went back into the same things that I was doing because I came back as an American teenager, which you know, we all know is formative years that we we think we know everything. But as I got older, I started to really realize the things that I was taught there, whether it's directly or indirectly. So you were born in New York, but we're always aware of your family's roots in Nigeria. Yeah. What did that connection mean to you before you went to live there? I, you know, the connection to me was I knew that my family live. We we my my my parents took me there when I was about five years old. So I had been there. I had seen our compound my grandfather's a chief of the village, you know, he always told us that we were princes and princesses, and that we had to walk with honor, and you know, kind of represent the family name. So I always had the strong connection to Nigeria because my ancestors were something that my family always taught us about and that we should respect them and realize that paternity is that we have here in America to certain measure of pressure come with that realization to. Yeah. Definitely. I think with with knowledge it gives you the tools you need to do the right thing. And if I'm knowledgeable about my ancestors, and how I should be full of pride, but also respectful in the moves that I'm making does definitely a little bit of pressure. That's added there, but it's good pressure. So you grew up with cooking as a constant in the family about connection about family. You grew up with this understanding of your direct routes to Africa tonight geria-, and the responsibility and the nobility that that engenders winded. Those two things begin to intersect for you in terms of your culture and your culinary inclinations. I would say the second time, I went to Africa when I was ten to twelve because I saw cultivation for the first time, you know, whether we were raising their own livestock, or I had to go, and, you know, go to the palm tree and in hacked down the palm fruit and make palm. Oil or make Benghazi soup. You know, that was the first time that I had to do that. So I remember craving chicken wings. And it's like if you needed, you know, if you wanted to get a twenty pack of chicken wings yet to raise ten year. And right, you had to get some chicken, you have to get a lot of chickens, and it kind of all clicked for me, then, you know, and I started to respect the animals and the produce a lot better as soon as I got back. What was the name of that soup that you just mentioned Banja what's in that? So Benghazi soup is like a very traditional Nigerian Stu so it's the fruit of the palm tree. So you take that you boil it till it soft, and then you pound it in a mortar pestle until it becomes a paste. And then you strain it to get all of the the pith and the seeds out of it. And you have this really bright like orange, orange red yellowy puree, and from there you put that to the side you sauteed onions, garlic crayfish powder. You know for mental locus being. And then you add that to the puree you cook that down at periwinkles, which is like a crustacean. They really bright blue. It's really really cool. And that's like the main flavor profile with the Bengals soup eater with a swallow. Which is like pounded starch that you use to dip into the the stew and eat. So normally eat with pounded Yam. So that's Bengals soup. Call me at what point. Did it? Click for you that cooking was like your thing where you look at it and said, I can do this. I didn't event in SoHo I was doing event for a client, and I had to make something similar cheesecakes. So I stayed up all night trying to perfect this cheesecake, and it was a nine AM. I looked up and I finally had a perfect cheesecake. And at that moment, I knew this is what I need to be doing for the rest of my life because I spent about nine hours, just focus. On this one thing trying to perfect it, and I've never sat down. I have a very short attention span for that long doing anything. And at that moment, I knew that I can do this for the rest of my life. How did you begin working professionally? You said you're working for a client. And so how did you get to that point? Where you are. We're averaging it's a funny story actually, I walked into a store, and so and there was a store clerk there, which I thought was a store clerk struck up a conversation with her. She happened to be the owner of the store, and she was like, hey, I'm having a launch party to wanna come like. Yeah. That'd be that'd be awesome. She's I was like you excited for she's like. Yeah. The only thing missing as a caterer. And at that moment. I was like, you know, why not let me just try this out for some reason. I was like a caterer. She's a year caterer. How old are you? And I was like ma'am that is irrelevant. Do you want catering services or not? I'm a catering. Chef she was like you're catering. Chef I was like, yeah. She's like, all right. I wanna do cheesecakes United make cheesecakes. I was like, please. Don't disrespect me. I just said the catering chef I've got this. So she's. All right. Liz, man. She's like, let's do this at ten AM tomorrow. I went home freaking out. I would never make my life. I call my sister who baked a lot. And she gave me her cheesecake recipe. So I spent all night trying to make this cheesecake. And if you've ever made a cheesecake before it takes three hours to know if it's the perfect texture. You have to make it you have to cook. It you have to set it you have to let it cool and then cut into it. So three processes later nine hours later, I had a perfect she's cake. I knew that's what I needed to start doing. And then I executed the event and became the official cater for the store. So that's how I got into it professionally. But if you read the book there are many times when I go back to cooking like when I'm in school when I drop out of school. I go doing the only thing that I've really know how to do, you know, where I work in the dining room, I work in the kitchen. But that was when I really started to buckle down and only cook whose at that moment. So you had to use a little Vanessa. We'll call it finesse to get in there. But you, but you finished your way into something that you alternately were able to pull up. Yeah. So then when you got to the point where you were able to kind of think bigger and develop a menu for something or you know, what she starting being more entrepreneurial had your own venue talk about how you how you put that. Together. You've got experience obviously, making a three hour cheesecake hours, and you've got experience making traditional Nigerian dishes cooking in your mother's kitchen. What did you pull from to build that first menu? So I did specialized in menu creation. So I would sit down with the client and figure out what they really wanted me to make. And then from there research the heck out of it and go to like, you know, let's say was a Brazilian. I did like a Brazilian fashion. Show. I go to like four of the best Brazilian restaurants in New York City and then research stuff on Brazilian food. And then recreated base off the way that I would like it. So that was the the way that I really did my research for the catering events. But it also came from experience, you know, I remember one of the largest ones I did was for two thousand people at the ninety second street, y and it was a New York in New York. And it was another time that I kind of like talked my way into a situation, and I needed to call my mother up to help me. So I flew her up to New York. She got all her friends that she used to work with work with the New York City, and we executed this event, and she, you know, really mentored me throughout that process. And if I ever needed any help at anything, I would call her. But at some point I felt like I was hitting a glass ceiling because I was learning as I was going, and I was growing really really rapidly. So I took a step back and went to the CIA the culinary institute of America. And that's why I really like hone my craft and then worked in some more. Refined restaurants that's up in Napa Valley. Right and you fill so they have one in Napa Valley. But the main campus is in. In Hyde Park, New York did you like walking those tight ropes in your early days? Like, you don't do that over and over unless you kind of enjoy the thrill of those kind of like Bruce Willis diehard jump off of the exploding building moments. I then you land on the ground with a perfect cheesecake exactly I do. I do like it pushes you. You know? I think that extreme moment of uncomfortable. Can propel you really really far you're able to take a risk on yourself. But you got you have to put in the work. It's not about taking those risks. And then sitting back and watching, you know, things come to fruition you have to make it happen. Talk about Washington as a food city. There's a there's a few places in this country. We really associate with certain kinds of of good food. And I'm beginning to hear DC, more and more. But how do you see it? I see it just the the same exact way. I mean, if you look at our track record Michelin guide is here, you know, this list last, you know, James beard shortlist and longlist we had a lot of people from DC on representing on their James beers kind of like the the Oscars of the culinary world. Yes. Absolutely. So. I see a a huge huge trajectory for the food scene in in DC. And I just see getting bigger and bigger what made you decide that. There was room here for you. While I spent my summers in DC, you know, my grandfather taught at Howard University, not many people know that. But I spent my summers here, and I always had a connection to DC. So when I was looking to open up a restaurant, I came here looked around. It had this familiar vibe that I really I really connected with. So I thought you know, why not give it a shot last year? We had chef Edward Lee on the program. We asked him about fusion in vote. Here's part of what Edward Lee told us that all food is a collective mash up. Right. So my problem with fusion is, oh, that's a fusion cuisine. I'm like what name a cuisine that isn't. So if fusion. Is is in amalgam of different cultures that influence a food to name me one quizzing that's not influenced by its neighbors. And it's not influenced by its cultural surroundings, all food is fusion all food is a is a cultural mash up so to say that one thing is more. Correct. As as a mash up. Another thing is fused to me. It's it's very it has cultural implications that I don't like that was shift. Ed release speaking on our program last year. What do you think about this idea? Fusion in food. Yeah. I feel the same way offered is fusion. I don't like the word fusion anyway when when people are describing food. But I think that you know, if you look at food from the American South, you know, it's inspired by food from west Africa. You know, if you look at the Caribbean. You know, Jamaica, Trinidad you have influences from China, and you have influences from India, you know, and that's their traditional food. So like you go back two hundred years ago tradition skewed. It's you know. So as as we evolve our food evolves. And that's just the way it is. And it will never stop. Although there are some items on your menu at the restaurant kiffin kin that has food from across the African diaspora some which I don't think some of your customers would have ever had any encounter with. It's it's not fusion to them. It's it's discovery. Yeah. Absolutely. And that's what I love about it. You know, if you go to in kin out say, it's one of the most diverse restaurants, dining room, and staff wise in the district, and it's because of the. Covering its people discovering brand new food that they've had or they're able to appreciate their culture while exploring a personal achievement. I wanna talk more about that exploration. We continue with Kwami on watching executive chef at Kish and kin and the author of notes from young black. Chef also wanna talk to you about the business going forward. One listener asked contrast, the popularity of cooking shows with the decline of individual meal prep. It's perplexing. What do you think of ghosts kitchens and delivery as a business model? Interesting question, we'll get an answer in a bit. Stay close. Support for this NPR podcast and the following message. Come from the United States postal service every day innovative companies are reinventing the way business happens. But none of that is possible without the right people people who get packages to over one hundred fifty million delivery points affordably and on time with the latest technology and expertise who can help you deliver the future of commerce, the United States postal service. See why they deliver more ecommerce packages to homes than anyone in the country at USPS dot com slash future. Movie season is here and pop culture. Happy hour has been covered for a guide for the blockbusters. You know about an surprise bright spots. You might not we'll tell you what we are looking forward to what were secretly dreading, and what might sneak up on us. Listen, now, and subscribe. Back now to our conversation with Kwame eight on watch e his book is called notes from young black. Chef I do wanna talk about your current restaurant in just a minute. But we should back up to a prior entrepreneurial venture that you had with a restaurant called Shaw Bijou here in DC that was a tough experience. But give me a sense of what you went into Shaab Yuzhou with what were you hoping or expecting that to be? I don't know what you're talking about a man. Until you see the dramatic pause. I'm glad you can laugh about it. That's a good thing. Because you know, it was a tough experience. I will give you credit for that. There was a part of the back of my brain was like what about to do don't make me? I will come over this table. We are not before the hot coffee. I got hot tea. I got one failure shabbes you. What was that? What was what were you expecting going into that expecting a success? I wouldn't call it overnight. Because it was you know, two years in the making we built that restaurant with our bare hands, you know, painted every wall put every tile up. I learned a lot on how to build, you know, it was really playing Bob the builder. They're you know, me and me and my partners in. Yeah. I mean, I expected a an amazing restaurant. Now when you say it was when you say you built it for for people like me who've never had to build a venture. Like that describes some of the steps that go into getting a restaurant off the ground other than getting it funded. What else do you have to do to just like open a restaurant has a lot so mainly. It was a two hundred zero two tiny row house, and you know, in the shar district, and it was a house a home residential home that we had to turn into a commercial building. Now, you have to change your you have to hire an architecture architecture an architect to drought, these plans, you have to submit them then has to go in front of a board. Just so you can start building. You know, if your plans are good enough to turn it into a resident a commercial building. So that is about a six month process. And that's only if your plans are bulletproof because normally they'll kick back your plan and say, no change this. No, you need to change your pipes from two inches to four inches where you're going to draw your water from. And that's the process and then from there you have to start building. And you have to start changing those pipes out because you know, residential is a two inch pipe commercials. A four inch pipe just in case. A place goes on fire and all the sprinklers can go off same thing with gas. That's very expensive and a lot of times aren't sending that you put into the build out costs. So you have to get the building ready show, by the way, the district within Washington dimension that before so you get the building ready. Yeah. You have to get the building ready, then you have to get all of your permits. You have to get, you know, pass by your fire inspection, your health inspection, your plumbing, your gas, like all these all these things that it takes a lot of time to do and your liquor license. You know, then you can finally start bringing in furniture and food, and then you have to train your staff. So it's a lengthy process and in this whole process. Do you even have bandwidths to think about what you're going to serve you? Do you have a little bit of time because that those permiting, you know, months you have time to do Arnie reaches research and development for your menu and so on and so. Fourth. Now, you had a very high concept for Shaw Bijou described what the culinary experiences was gonna be like, it was his tasting menu foam describing full. So you walk in. We sectioned off, you know, the walls in this old house to only be at the foot of a staircase that leads you upstairs. So you walk in. We knew your name soon as you walked in and got your coat we walked upstairs to this bar, and you sat there and the first question was what do you wanna drink? You got any drink you want? You know, we had shark shoes from like one thousand nine hundred three, you know, all different types of whiskies and bourbon, and it was it was a it was a really really great curate experience. We create any drink from you for you. And then a bite would follow immediately. Not your first course and someone scorch you down into the kitchen. There was a staircase. We built that went right into the kitchen. You had your next course in the kitchen, and then we walked you into the dining room for you to begin your meal, and there was another table side preparation, and then another course in the kitchen. So it was very like interactive. And we and how many people would be in this group going through this experience. Oh as one it was one group at a time. But roughly how large the group like four one two one two four. Okay. So very smokers. Yeah. Very small groups. Okay. So you come you sit down, and you know, you would have your meal, and and be like about eighteen courses. We would also do research or listening on hints of your conversation and do special courses for you. You know for one instance, we we saw that this person had a tattoo of a beat on them. So the server asset. Oh, you love beets. He's like, yeah. Beats are like my favorite favorite food. And then we created like a a small mini. Three course beat tasting menu in the middle of their tasting menu for them, another guess, they're walk into the kitchen, and I used to say if there's anything I can do to make you feel more comfortable, please. Let me know. And they joked about slippers would be nice. So we had you know, my fiance actually ran to I think it was like marshalls or something and got some slippers and came back in one of their courses we had a big clue. Close and we brought it to the table and revealed a pair of fuzzy slippers, and they gave us their shoes put them on. And they were like at home. You know what I mean? And those were the moments that I live for at that restaurant where making people feel special and curing the experience that they wouldn't get everywhere despite all of that. And it sounds like kind of an amazing culinary experience. You did get a lot of flack for not just for the cost of the tasting menu. But also residents in the shar area complained that it was kind of contributing to the rapid gentrification of of Shaw. How do you reflect on those criticisms, I think those criticisms are bogus? I mean, if you ever came to the Shabi, you you're talking about, you know, a dining room full of a fluent African Americans. I don't think there was one more than that. You know, here's a restaurant, you know, by young black chef that's just adding to the the neighborhood. You know? So I don't I don't think that it was adding to any sort of gentrification, I think the people that actually grew up there were actually coming back to Shaw to dine, you know, for the first time in a while Nicola Nikola emailed. I maybe disrespecting when I first read about shabbes you opening the review was positive. However, as I recall, it was a tasting menu over one hundred dollars a person not including beverages. I make minimum wage at a couple times a year splurge. This would have taken a couple of my splurges. Please offer small affordable plates at least one time a day. How much if at all did that factor into your next move after shop? Well, the funny thing was the press didn't really explain everything. Like, I said, the you started with a beverage, and there was another alcoholic beverage that you had inside the kitchen. So you had two drinks for free on top of that. We also had a bar that we did a bar menu. Where you can get a cheese steak. That's how the first filly wing. Fry was in the. Shabbes you you can get a cheese steak, you can get you know, roasted grouper there was like a chips and dip situation with like shrimp chips with avocado mousse. So there were there were definitely things there if you just wanted to go and get a drink and get a quick by. But the full experience. Yeah. It was it was over one hundred dollars. We're speaking with shift plumbing on watchi-, author of the new memoir notes from young black. Chef stick lifts. Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from ADT, America's trusted home security provider, providing secure smart homes, custom designed with everything from video doorbells indoor and outdoor cameras smart locks and lights and professionally monitored carbon monoxide and smoke detectors. All controlled by the sound of your voice or on the go with the AT go app. Learn more at ADT dot com. We're back with new season of rough translation. Yeah. This time we are following people break the rule lying is part of the business opinion, the best revenge against ISIS. Miss to be human supposed to pinch. Yeah. Yeah. Suits every other Wednesday. Subscribe back now to our conversation with plummy on watchi-, a former top six contestant on top chef and executive chef of kith and kin restaurant here in Washington. Joanna tweeted finally got a table at kiffin kin amazing meal eaten a lot around the and everything about the meal stood out. What an amazing experience describe the experience at kiffin kin compared to shop issue. Yeah. Thank you for coming to eat. I appreciate that the experience kin charges totally different. You know, here we have a restaurant on the waterfront like almost two hundred seats. It's big it's bright chubby was dark and intimate. You know, they were thirty one seats. So it's just a different environment. It was more curated this one is about friends and family. You know, getting kin is about friends and family when guests come there. I'm like have you ever been here before? And if they say, no, I say, welcome home. And if they say, yes, I say welcome back because. The food is the way that I eat what my friends and family kin kin excuse me. The shabu was. A different representation of me. I do love to eat tasting menu. You know, I think it's really really interesting, and I learn a lot whenever I go to eat those kinds of restaurants, and that's just a different facet. We're the name. Come from the shabas. You're kidding kin kin kin kin means friends and family in middle and old English. So Kip, meaning friends can meaning family. How did you decide what to put on that menu? Compared to the shop issue. Actually, just started writing things that I grew up eating, and I started testing them out, and they taste as delicious. I remembered so I joke a lot with my guest that kin kin is pretty much my family's thanksgiving on menu. You know, 'cause I have Jamaican jury Trinidadian Creole roots. You'll see anything from Gela fries to sue you to carry Goto oxtail Gumbo on our thanksgiving table. And that's just what's on the menu. What is Jill af- rice, pilaf rices, a Nigerian style of rice? It's. Kind of you know, we make a very highly flavored seasoning pastes called red, Stu. So it's like red bell peppers scotch bonnet peppers tomatoes, red onion ginger, garlic curry powder, all cook down so most liquid is removed. So it is you know, it's reduced in. It's more. It's more flavorful. And then we cook the rice in that. So that's Jill fries. It's one of Staples of west African cooking. I think you also mentioned Roti on the menu. What is that? Yes. Oh, Roti rotea refers to the bread. So Dow Pori rotea is a bright influenced by India in Trinidad, and it is a thin flat. Brad with crushed split piece in between. And then we served curried goat on the sites. We take a whole goat. We raise it in chicken stock and green seasoning. And then at a couple of things to top it with Christie potatoes and celery. Curls. And that's like one of our signature dishes are curved goat with doughboy rotea. When did kiffin Kim begin to start making sense in terms of like, oh, yeah. This is this is this is taken off this this clicking. I I would say it was a year into it. You know, we finally started to catch our stride and started to make sense. You know, we slim the menu down and really started to focus on what we were doing and making sure that everything reporting up we wanna eat every single day. Your sense kind of stepping back a little bit from gesture restaurant to kind of the business of being a restaurant tour, especially in entrepreneurial one more in general, especially because in pop culture cheifs ten have this kind of image of big personalities. I mean, I think about Gordon Ramsay from that show kitchen nightmares. I think when we think of celebrity chefs, we tend to think of something a lot like this. Look at those slide. Roughly. Joslyn? Their way of teriyaki sauce. Gordon Ramsay and kitchen nightmares. How much that Israel? How close is that to the actual kiss? We see in terms of that level of kind of demanding intense everything on the line like that real especially on top. Chef you've been on both sides. It depends on the person. Honestly, some chefs are more zen. Some chefs are people that freak out. It depends on the person. You know, I'm very much in the zone where when we're cooking. If I'm on the pass everything must be perfect. And I may not be like the past the real sits before since the to the dining yet. You know, some honesty depends on how I feel. I mean, some nights. I may be like, you know, what is this like replayed this or I may be like, okay, just repeat this or this isn't really looked to two nice. So it just it depends on the mood depends on the intensity and the restaurant. Two hundred covers versus fifty covers you know, sometimes sometimes you just react differently. But I think the person. Dictates how the culture is in the kitchen. Let me get back to that question from the listener on the website, the one eight org. Contrast, the popularity of cooking shows with the decline of individual meal prep. It's perplexing. What do you think of ghost kitchens and delivery as a business model first of all ghost kitchen? I don't know what that goes kitchen is. But the. The meal prep. I think I think a great business model. There's a lot of people that do not want to cook. And they just wanna get a package with something already made or something that they can feel like they made in fifteen minutes. I think it's it's great. You'll see as you know, business is going in that direction the food industry and more of these quicker prepared cheaper items. And I think goes kitchen is what some people call virtual kitchen. It's like, it's a it's a delivery only restaurant. There's no storefront. There's no dining area. It's kind of built just for like door. Dash breeds things prepared and then send it out. Yeah. Well listener wrote an website my nieces interested in a career in the food industry. What advice do you have for young aspiring? Chef is there a job in the field other than being a head chef that you think would be fun and rewarding and still pay the bills. Yeah. I mean head chef is the you know, that's as what she should be striving for. But that's shouldn't be what she's just jumps into directly. You know? I think getting a job at your local restaurant. That's you walk into and that's fairly busy just to see what it's like taxi work in industry. And if she can survive that for, you know, a year, then she should really take it seriously. But one biggest mistake you made on your way up but wasn't. In terms of advising. This person's niece. Biggest mistake I made on my way up is wanting things like really really quickly. So taking your time with them is probably the most important thing. And before I let you go. Your book also contains a few recipes, I'm an amateur cook can feed myself, but I'm not feeding other people. What dish would you recommend that an amateur cook tries or something that safe for me to start with before? We got the squash soup is very very simple. So the squash Flutie should do that one. I this. There's no risk of me. Like, hospitalizing anybody? No, you'll be fine. You'll be fine cook with a little love and you'll be alright Kwami own watch e is the executive chef at kith and kin his memoirs called notes from young black shift. It's out now Kwami thanks for talking to us. Thanks having. Today's conversation was produced by John hill and edited by maranda full more you can learn more about them and the rest of the team online at the one eight dot org slash staff. This program comes to you from W A M. Part of American University. In Washington distributed by NPR until we meet again, I'm Joshua Johnson. Thanks for listening. This is one a.

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S2 E10: Right Here, Right Now

"Who's leading the race right now? And who will automatically be the next mayor of introit? This is Sunday. It's two thousand one in election year in a controversial character from a prior episode is running for mayor. If you've picked up a paper turned on a radio or TV, you probably know city council president Gil hill is the early favorite to succeed, as mayor of Detroit. Gil hill, the former head of the Detroit police homicide division, the FBI believe he was corrupt. The investigated him for allegedly taking bribes to cover up the murder of a thirteen year old boy baggage. He is perceived to have close ties to a police department struggling to correct its inadequacies while enduring a federal investigation into its practices soon after the F B, I started taking a look at you'll hill he retired from the police department in ran for city council president began to refer to me as mayor. Of course, I didn't let that influence me. And I had to think about it. I had to discuss it with my family. Of course, I had to determine whether or not we could raise the money to win. And lo and behold, it became apparent that all of those things happen. And now that I was going to enter the ministries. Now Gil hill was poised to become mayor hills numbers appear to be getting stronger as the primary draws closer, but there was one man who might just be able to stop it. His name Kwami Kilpatrick. We want our citizens go to the ballot box and decide whether they wanna move forward of wanna stay in the moment. That's a decision that citizens of Nichols. Today on the show, the two thousand one race for mayor pits Detroit's passed against its future. I'm John White welcome to crime town. Detroit's first African American mayor Coleman young has died. He was seventy nine. Dealing with friends when I got money from these drug dealers, you'll always there when hand now you know. Privilege joy for messiah. Not a mayor. In the fourth grade, I won a contest school. There was a black studies contest and the prize was to go, and we combing, your marriage on how nine years old, according to clemmie Kilpatrick is political ambitions begin with the visit to the mayor's official residence. The Manooghian mansion is a little meeting greeting area and he came down the stairs, and we shook his hand. So I couldn't even breathe. You know he met him for like two minutes. John, it was like quick for me as a as a nine okay? It I thought it was a long time. There's a photo of this moment. Nine year old Kwami looking nervous. But excited stands next to a smartly dressed Coleman young. From that baseball, totally everybody. Everybody'll be there. So it was never anything else, I wanted to be. I didn't wanna be president. I won't marry the stories and I was nine years old. And I told everybody. In the first person he told was his mom, Carolyn cheeks Kilpatrick? We also have with us from the state legislature, Reverend Caroline Patrick. Thank you very much. Mr Mayor Carolyn was first elected to the Michigan house of representatives in nineteen seventy eight here. She is speaking, alongside Coleman young at an anti-crime summit a few years later, not just locking people up. But reemploying retraining all that goes with it make you Mr. mayo. Nice Dan, Midi to support. Tell me about your mother. Can you describe her hero? She is the pit of the public serve, and somebody who really committed or life and was truly called. I was strong enough to be different. I just quit my parents. My father was funny. Immig, you feel bad. If you wanted to follow the crowd, that is. So I didn't have to follow the cry. Very inquisitive one thing he wanted to see what was going on around you. This is Bernard. Kilpatrick qualms father. He worked on Caroline's, first campaign and served in local government himself. But he and Caroline, divorced. When Kwami was young founders do it was a lot of things you didn't normal kind of things. Guys with their Romeo trying to maintain the marriage at same time, those kind of problem, you know. You'll need a picture. No, I'm adding. Like a couple of fares. Five. Pommy lived with his mother, who kept the watchful eye on her son, and made sure he stayed on the right track. Kwami played football in high school and went on to college. My mother was very straight. But in my college graduation, I was walking across the stage and she was standing near Florida. And he took a picture. She was crying boohoo grab huggers, this must be would be when we were growing up. She said, I want is you get to this moment right here. Got a job teaching middle school in Detroit, and he put himself through law school, then in nineteen Ninety-six his mother decided to make a run for US congress and Kwami saw a chance to take her seat in the state house, but not everyone was on board. So as a mother, my mother head, not my political head, I was conferred. It's a lonely job. All you see is the receptions, and people smiling, and all of that, but public service, if you committed to it, and that's how we raised him. That's what I did to us committed to serve me to representing to speaking to bring the resources in. I know how hard it is. Sometimes. It was the age old battle between me and has mother about whether or not he was ready. I went to my father, he thought it would excellent idea. Man, you should run it. You know you gotta go right now. This is the time. My position was he was ready three years. He's background got him. This is. Talking to people when he was eleven one is, if he ain't no as he's, he's smart guy. I know. Now all Kwami needed was a campaign manager. He was like lift, and my family doesn't want to really support this. They don't really want me to run. So I gotta do this on my own. This is Christine Beatty qualms close friend from high school. Would you say to her? I said, I'm about to run for political office. Fate, rip the job that my mom had. You know, they all knew what my mother did. And I said, I want you to help you want you to manage my campaigning. Silk Kwami felt like listen. We have a good base. We have the Kilpatrick name we walked knocked the on about five thousand doors that somewhere. We let people, nobody would run of the community and it resonate with people are campaign slogan was generation to generation basically, you know, in allusion to the fact that my mom represented district for eighteen years. It was time to, to pass the torch and it was from one generation Carolyn Kilpatrick to kill Patrick announced to kind of campaign. We ran. And it worked in nineteen Ninety-six. Both Kilpatrick one Caroline headed to Washington and Kwami headed to Lansing to the Michigan state house, where you quickly became popular with his fellow representatives in the things that he did is I just of nobody ever Bernard remembers Kwami, second term, when he ran for house minority leader, you can't win it for house with just flit Detroit places lifeforce. I you gotta have white support and again that he went to all these white places. He went to up in Michigan. I mean, you know, I don't know if you know about the peninsula, but it's all white. He was at the annual ice festival in the upper peninsula. The first black guy ever seen. Hugging people talking to state reps. Talk into local officials democrat party. It was incredible. I mean he called me from up there. You know, I'm actually having fun some world. You. In the Ice, Man. Got to do. It is, is almost like pee in Joe going into areas that black folks. I mean that, that kind of personality. That's just something you have he didn't get that from me. Mother nobody he, he was really really this guy could do whatever it is. He wanted to do. Welcome to floor leader of the house. Democratic caucus Michigan Representative. Kilpatrick. Just thirty was a rising star in Michigan politics. And it wasn't long before he was invited to speak at the two thousand democratic national convention. Let us be the generation that fulfils indeed our own destiny. Join me America, and standing up for our gore until Lieberman, the next president, and vice president of these United States of America. Thank you very much. Well. You know, I would not thinking about running from there, you know, that was not even on my mind, and I was driving to work, and I was listening to NewsRadio, and her Dennis Archer was retired. Dennis Archer was the mayor of Detroit at the time when I got back to the city that day. About my father's office. Like one of the first and say this guy could be mayor, I think he'd be a damn actually, I'm I was not feeling that nice couldn't sleep. And I was up tolling on I and so I went in the basement, that's at the by with me, and I and I did something that I thought it was crazy, but it was crazy like a FOX of I just I pray as this if you want me to show me the by when I Opie. Put it on the floor on Mondays and put on floor, and I put my is down, and they fail right? Second Samuel five, and it's a story about David was a story about being thirty years old, the elders coming to him and asking him to be king. Oh my God. I got this message. I was so excited, I was thirty years old took it ran upstairs. I woke up one in the morning. Clemmie told his wife Carlita about what it just happened. Say Liz, I just read to I suppose from there. She looked may. She said, okay, I'm going to sleep. Sleeves. He was just was on board. I mean it was it was amazing. I thought it was a miracle from having. The next day, I told her by mayor, I will from that day forward, my life has been going hundred miles an hour. Climate came in and he I mean, he he's very charismatic really smart. You were swayed by the not remotely. This is Sheila Cockrel. She was on the Detroit city council at the time. Never the first time you became aware of. Kwami kilpatrick. Or I wouldn't call it an aura. You said it charisma, some charisma, but it would know he. I'm going to tell you this, anybody who starts off with the story about how the bible, fellow pin and the passage about the shining city on the hill might thing is this. Well, this is fake. I thought it was pure theatre. Why he's got. He's got balls. I mean, he'll end people buying this stuff. I didn't support him. I supported Gil hill if you picked up a paper turned on radio or TV, you probably know city council. President Gil hill is the early favorite to succeed as mayor of Detroit for me was up against the season politician with the head start a guy who built relationships in the city while Kwami was off serving in the state legislature and Gil hill was a local celebrity. Very, very down to earth, even cop stuff we went to meet him in his office at city council. And I said, I'm really jumping in this thing about the now then a run and you know, he. Say you're not gonna win. Candidate. Hey, crime town listeners. This is rob, and this is John. We're produces of crime town, and you're listening to crime town season two. So it'd be put a lot into investigating Detroit's complicated relationship with crime and political corruption. And our reporting took his places we didn't expect in fact, there is that one time, John, that you had that particularly tense meeting scheduled with a local legend, kind of in Detroit. Right. And he was really difficult. Because he was always suspicious that we were the FBI or cops or that we meant him harm in some way, and he had a lot of secrets that he just didn't want to share with anyone. Right. But he had agreed to meet at his house -partment, his layer, and like you showed up. And you were just sorta like it was a little nerve wracking, because you're like, I don't know how this guy's gonna react, because he said he said, if you, if you mess up you slip up. We're going to get you which is not that kind of thing you want to hear before you go into someone's home. But it all worked up fun in the end. Yeah. All like that. But you don't have to go outside your comfort zone to hear Detroit's best crime stories all of crime town season two. Available right now on Spotify. Listen to how it all turned out, go to crime town VIP where you can listen to Spotify app or on your desktop. Serves as the rich pay for space. Up to version campaign when I was tweeting I told you. To Susan Beattie cell. I'd say I thought he married way better than me. He was the best campaign I've ever seen. Bernard Kilpatrick knew that part of his sons appeal came from his appearance, six four three hundred pounds. You couldn't miss him just that Gary size. He picked up little kids like they would bow to. Fellow. He was the ultimate campaign. Patrick says he's out campaigning minimum of twelve hours a day. He says visibility is the key states. They visible a stay involved, and I'll see you in a neighborhood near you pretty soon. Let's continue to move forward to start our future right here right now, our strategy and our slogan because we, we want to play on the young and it was you're young. You can do something in the future. Again Christine Beatty high school friend and campaign manager. So we sat down, we had a session, and we came up the slogan, our future right here right now. But we are all coming together and starting few to here in this city right here. The people of Detroit responded. You know every time at the council but I think his time was young. We feel that Kwami Kilpatrick has a vision has you have energy, and is honest, and has integrity to be mayor. Let's take a look at the two most recent polls Gil hill remains the front runner. But the top three candidates, including Kwami, Kilpatrick and candidate Patrick are pegged in the polls, as top vote-getters tomorrow's contests, but it's Patrick row supporters tonight, he says he's not taking preliminary numbers for granted. We can't even see after the primary, we're, we're looking at September eleven. September eleventh two thousand one nine eleven is our primary election day that morning. I remember I wasn't to the campaign here quarters, and I remember looking at the television, we're back at nine o'clock eastern time on this Tuesday morning, and we're back with dramatic pictures of an accident that has happened just the plane flying into the tower. I mean I was so mesmerized about it. Like I couldn't believe that most of us, like WTI, h I'm sorry, what win towers, you can see fire and flames or smoke billowing from that tower. There is a Geico, though the voter turnout was low when the primary, I remember that night, we got, you know, election came in. We came out on top. We won the primary, of course, everything was very subdue. We didn't know sort of celebration in Detroit's nonpartisan election system, the. Top two vote. Getters in the primary move onto the general election, which meant Kwami had to face Gil hill, again the big story on September eleventh was supposed to be Detroit's may oral primary. But as we all know now city, politics, took a surreal, back seat to the horrors, at ground zero that day on November six Detroit will choose a man to lead us into an uncertain future candidate Gil hill is here this morning. Talk about his more aggressive approach to the campaign, and why he thinks to Troy needs an experienced leader as keel change the game. Came out in the police outfit with with flags on the commercial, and it's not the time for majority. This is the time for the -bility insecurity. You know the country for the his numbers changed the next day. Julianne is performance during those Riddick times illustrate how important it is to have a person on board who had had experienced in deadly in trying times. And I think is something that people in this community have to think about when they go to the polls to choose who's going to be the next leader. We went into a debate and we were in the Bank, and I'd say key. Punch me that was excellent. If a row too, that was good, man. You got. Detroit's mayor candidates squared off for the first major form since the terrorist attacks on primary day in with the election. Just six weeks away the candidates are starting to snipe at each other with hill, questioning Kilpatrick plans to revamp city government, either one of us becomes mere that goes into this structure, and tries to make it work failed to really needs to be blown up and put back together something you cannot blow up some things if you do blow them up when the dust settled the problems, still there with election day quickly approaching Kwami had one last chance to win over voters. Nice to meet you. Vote register their thirty one year old state rep was turning the last twenty four hours of his campaign into a nonstop, stump a on chatting potential voters at one site after another. But we're going to go to hospitals kmarts, we're gonna stay out here. Go to go going to like roll clubs. They're gonna find people, wherever they are, and get a message across. People will come up to kill the name in all your son. Again. Here's Kwami father Bernard is Dan, then he came into close. What? Became the club and he stopped in Utah. With Tim minutes had people hollering screaming will left to another. They bring the bus and went to all black bars and said that fried that hadn't been done. On election day, the polls had Kwami and Gil hill, neck and neck. We went to Sweden. Mary hotel downtown Detroit renaissance building, and people, we were watching the television were pastors there and support supported me, my family. A lot of my family uncles aunts cousins parents. So everybody's there are leaders there. You also on the phone. We're inside people doing exit polling and everything else. So it's a lot of information coming all the time and I'm kind of -til for most of the night. I'm not nervous at all. And so when they projected me as one another. That's what I say. Wow for second. I was like, okay we got the mission. We has Kilpatrick campaign as Detroit community declare victory. With everybody was going crazy and crying and oh my God. This is history. And you see the reaction of people that are very close to you and people supported U P, but it worked on for that moment. Staff when it hit ours. Elected as the sixtieth mayor of the city. Celebrating out shaking hands and smiling. But I people knew because see what have you. This like. The dog chasing the school bus, and actually catching it, you know, he, he chased barks do it with such, but he really don't want to catch the school bus. That's kind of how. Hi, I felt that night when I was like, oh my God, I actually wanted to know how to be mayor. I was kinda panicking inside. Mother saw me. And she said, we'll talk to you in Israel, and she tells me into the bay. Are people celebrating she goes door? She hugged me. And she said with that. Said you life was gonna turn from this point fold. This is this is something you ask for us. The party, of course, and then you need to accept NBA leader. She says, I'm coming, I was never forget this conversation chief said. Unfortunately, leadership is a very lonely position. Thank you. Thank you. You've been a part of teams in the crowd your whole life. But you spirits loneliness as you have stairs. But you have chosen to be just as time for all of us to rise up and step up to the mantle of leadership as time for all of us to rise up in this city this time us. And begin our future. Run here rut. God bless you. And thank you. I didn't understand at that moment, was she was saying to particularly the truth in the profound. Luma nation. I didn't understand it. I told her a matter of fact, I said, so mama. Be. Okay. Everything's gonna be outright. How did that feel too? Must have been a reality check of sorts. It was the job was tremendously stressful for many people always ask me, even here, you know, did you like the mayor with the fun? I didn't I didn't. I did not like this college. Some federal prison cut off. No, that's okay. Man. Well, you know, we'll have to continue the conversation and. 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Unconsciously Raw Episode 1

"You're listening to the podcast detroit visit. Www dot past detroit dot com before information. There's the encoder your life. You're okay welcome to unconsciously role with your host ricky fontaine. This is my first episode. Today i got a good friend. The great he'd been down with me since liberty. Back highland park highland part had hot houses back. Then you know you know so. The friend very conscious dole very rail. He got a lot of perspective on everything so today. We're going to start off this Podcast would Just a few things. We just wanna go this podcast. Today's here's i was gonna say here's what i would do at engines at at just i would take a couple minutes And just introduce yourself introduce The show this is your first episode. Be out there like just talk through. You know seriously. I mean this this this this is someone's first experience with you on our network You live tell them why they should be listening to this from now on and we laugh so you should listen to me because if you follow me on facebook you should know why you should get the hottest topics. Ross type is on raw spiel. So that's why. I brought somebody women. Today that i know is going gonna keep it real. Keep it raw until you some. You might not want to hear but you need to hear no question so you go ahead introduce yourself when i digged a great Kevin very body know. Rick said may have been down since no four fifth grade. Maybe you know what. I'm saying so Just to be chop it up with a good brother knows so today. Something i wanted to go over with. Everybody is a topic. I just wanna touch. Base zone is kwami. Come home so. I'm proud at the brother. Come home been ruined form him. And his family is holt And when i look on facebook. I see people not as happy. You know they get all these Oh he took our pension he he did this he did he but they don't have no proof. You know my thing is you know how many of your did unemployment road right around getting bans and all this other stuff kwami stun volume now. I was stunned at how many people got busted with the pa fraud. Do they had two hundred guys at chrysler off the line that they took down for that. Mass greedy greedy. I think. That's that's our problem. We just greed and greed. Always get you. That's human nature. Greed always get you but what got us is is cultural. You know typically people that aren't african-american one going to get no You know ninety thousand dollar escalate and a going to dietrich for and getting furs and stuff. Nothing wrong with Teachers fire away. You know. I love her but even what kwami is. You don't have no proof i want to say about. Kwami is when he was in office. You have more blacks in business doing business with the city. Absolute name any other administration in the city of detroit. Even more than coleman young. What i think it is. As he was young. You can say he was arrogant. Whatever the case may be but the thing is for me. It was more that he didn't wanna play ball and do some of the things that the people that was really in charge wanted him to do so to made him a scapegoat. He ain't doing nothing. No different than no politician has ever done. Eddie santa anywhere i mean. That's high go you scratch my back. I scratch yours. You give me a kickback. You'll get this contract bending and it's still getting done like you say he. I think he just cut out the wrong. You know you're not gonna go too far in it but basically you cut out to many of the people that's already been in the game. Taleggio people in your and they're not having that. Nah so you know. This ain't back in the day like the mob. They got a different thing. They do to don't kill you. They put the they put the feds on you. So you know. I just. I just wish that brother. Good luck or you in Gladdy out and all the people that hate him you know. He took our pitcher look. Your pension was going to go anyway. That's the biggest payment they any business can handle the headed lady facebook. She said well my husband they. If kwami stole is pension well like like. I told her husband died thirty five years ago. You may collecting a pension that whole time. So she come. Yeah how long do you think the city detroit can keep paying your pension. I mean i hate that. I hate to say. It isn't be wrong with him but it is what it is you know so i mean i don't know what else to say when people call me about all kinds of stuff all the stuff they mad about kwami about. There's no truth. They mad at him about the term green thing. He's never been charged today. No proof but people swear up and down he. Did you know what i'm saying. It's just it's just a lot of foolishness to me. You know so my thing is just that man on what he actually got convicted of what she got way too much time. If you ask me he got kingpin. Time for you know little political crimes that everybody's been doing so you know my thing. Is you know judge him. Basically served his time. Let them come on. Live his life this. You are getting comments already. Just you know. Oh yeah yeah. Yeah i mean that's basically let him serve his time. I wonder why people don't have the same energy with ikano more like the mayor. Taylor that governor snyder and governess not so many people many people did he poison by his just lack of care and awareness for water in flint day and had water since two thousand fourteen is two thousand twenty one and we met a quami. I i don't. I don't keep the mad. 'cause i is descending. The media has turned you into mega man making you mad about him like closer making you mad about him because they they they they put this perception in your head day. He's the bag he did this he did. He did even affairs. Can't even tell you really what he did. You got like i said. They made a quantity about everything. You know he cheated on his wife is like you are aside schick. Let's be honest your side. So why are you mad at him for doing the same thing you do. Yes so is is is one of those things is just everybody mad at him for doing the same thing that they doing now and we'll get me on facebook today is it's a whole facebook full of saints is like nobody. Nobody can do any rome. Hey tyra how you doing. Hey hey tires so we've just pardon me i'm still at work so bear with me. So tyra We was going over. Why are people so mad at kwami. you know what. I think that the reason that people are so mad at quantity look because when he became mayor you know he was our boy. He was the black young guide we had so much. Hope for and he's you know good for the city. Yes you not. I'm saying he's doing your no. Yes we got this and began these type of things happen where he kinda didn't do right by his people were some of his people so i think that's more of the mad which i think is more of a hurt and disappointed more so than the man was is really where i think. And that's just my opinion. So i voted for you know so minds was more disappointment. Not a mad. I don't eight him. You know i'm not. It is different levels of man. And i think it was more of a disappoint because they had high hopes for young black guy that stepped into this position got reelected twice. You know able to just go on and do big theme and to get caught up or allow yourself to get caught up in a politics just because other people might get away with it or other people. You can't go by that. You have to go by you as a young black man and they've been on your hey it since they want was on your head from when you had the navigator from the hair ring from the dance from the that because he was a young black mark do coming up as mayor of a major city elected twice so with being said. You don't think you don't think that the media and the powers to be joined forces to make him look bad and make you have this perception of 'cause only facts you're going off of is what would they propo- allege so you as you know. They try to charleston with rigo. So all of that is ca spirit conspiring conspiracy got and you know and you know all of that is. I heard this person. Say it ain't when they. When they had like sissy been in jail they didn't came back three times. Old is much much you. It ain't going lesser and lesser and lesser and lesser. So you know basically we just knowing what they talents and see for me is just i think he just. I don't know that he played the game. He just played politics. You know you can't you can't play politics. The same way white folks play politics but at the same time. This is not new. Though this has been forever true so what was he buzzer due to sit back and be like okay. I'll just do what to do. Okay so what you're telling me though into earnestly telling me is there was never a point in time where kwami was just cocky waited because he was a whatever you know this you telling me you can honestly say he never coming. Young wasn't like that wasn't let's let's not forget. He was ultimately taken down by his own rule. And what is that. He is the one that made the mayoral executive order. That said that all text messages on all city owned devices must be stored and maintain. But that's what got him religious thing. Get them for what she life. I think that played a big part whether people will admit it not like people were hurt. A lot of stuff people judge crime. Yonne most of it to me isn't political. Most of it is personal. You know what i'm saying. Oh it's his wife. He had his whole affair going on like none of that has anything to do with anything you know. Did he get cocky. Of course he did. But i mean i don't really see a scenario where your mayor of the city on cheat on exactly but this is the thing combination. It was a combination of things. Mike duggan she cheated on his wife. You didn't hear a peep today. Ricky this and with most people now because a lot of people and i'm not saying you or you know the young man just sitting here with you. I'm just saying in general from my experience that a lot of people just also go off what they hear and they don't do the research for them. zach zach. What a lot of people don't know is that mommy's corruption started before he even became mayor of detroit when he held a seat on the house of representative is when his corruption began. And that would be everybody. That's in a state representatives or mayors. What about the doubtful this is this is why his downfall happens because right there what you're saying because of what everybody else did. It doesn't matter because we all know the rules are different. Was the rules disdain for archer and they've been and young no i guess not. I'm just sending their doing. They did the same thing. I just think you can't be good and be a politician. Well and the world changed because you right. Politics are going to how it takes going to prevail regard. Okay everybody is going to get caught up to some degree in the politics depending on. Who said john win control at that time. What and that's absolutely true but you look at it. Listen if you keep doing things. According to what others didn't get in trouble for you're setting yourself up failure. You can't live life by the seat of your pants because such such no no such my dear dad or the white man did that what you're the only one that's going to have to answer for it all and not only get. I agree with you on that but my thing is you don't do like when i go out and i don't do stuff because such do this. I do it because i'm going to do it. But at the same time we got a whole kwami standard. We hold them at. We gotta hold everybody at the same standard. But we don't we say oh began call. He did not like the. The president just left there. Being gave up our water. Well you know but blame. We blame me. Oh he the reason why detroit. No coming young had thirty years as a mayor yet. But you know the well. He brought money to the hood. Gone down quick kwami to call the uk. Can't compare. i'm. I'm a compared to last mayor's in my lifetime that's all i can offer call now. You're right a little bit different different but let me tell you once you once you kick everybody out to city this what we have now then you have people trying to catch up and then they corrupt and then is a liberal politics. you know. politics is politics. That ain't no you know what i'm saying this evening and politics is going to take over but at the same time. All i'm saying is in relation to wami. If you remember. He was a young. But you cannot compare to mccombs jeff had. I'm sorry you cannot calm was a whole different beast. The whole from being so i'll tell you. What did we get comments. And i love. You know that's the that's the busy everybody all go. If my grandmother would lateran nam nam i guess left but what did he do. I necessarily disagreeing with you understand. So he misses even since been gone. What has happened with the other mayors named thing. I don't know giving boys the contracts also does i go. This is something that you have to understand all to breaking if not what you do with how you doing. You can't politics if going to hala takes all day for everybody every republican democrat non up or whatever. But it's not what you do with how you do knows how to you to do. That's just the way the rules of the baby. When you get caught the people money ain't man at basically lying to a federal judge that you will get in trouble no on a conspiracy. You're not really lying on thursday. They get made up evidence. Well listen. I can't speak on that because i don't know what you know i do because i haven't been laid on by the federal government. That's how i know other acts to the paperwork on the things that mommy has been accused of doing. Jared read discovery as you talk about. A red is discovery. Thank you know in all made a discovery a couple of times you can go online and get his discovery well again. I can't i am not privy to that information to put up near an act. Like i am i would be completely fake and i don't know there's people did or made up because i just don't know i'm not privy to that information i know as much as what the public knows what i've read about and i've read that position as will and this is how i know about his his corruption in the house of representatives when he has held that the because i've done reading but me reading what i've read and learned about still doesn't give me proof that they're lying. We're not the same thing you know even though is not what you do is you also think is how can i say this. It depends on what you have in your corner. Politics is politics but literally the exact things that kwami was locked up for are going on. Now i've gone went on before he was born but because he's young mayor because he was the quote unquote hip hop mayor. I think he was thirty one or thirty two. When he first became mayor of detroit you know And everybody else was probably our age older no forties or whatever and i just think because he was a young black man In charge of major metropolis city You know. I just think they but you charge a mayor with rico. How many how many people you know that. Don't run a mob or drug organization. That actually was interesting because they charged him under the rico statute for a conspiracy with two other people what to be usually when you're talking about mafia trials and that kind of stuff you're looking at dozens if it's yeah of. Yeah it was. It was interesting so guy the same amount of time the big mugica so when the conspiracy alanine is to people to say you did. I don't need no evidence it's conspiracy. Hey let me tell you something years ago. My stepfather who has passed away now he. He's an old man but years ago when him and my mom first got together morton's ago he wants a federal prison as sixty years old for four years for conspiracy. Okay and this is all. I'm trying to deal you if things different tool when you when you start with them fans let me tell you some the fans know everytime you flush the toilet. They have time they don't even know at the see. Let me tell you about the fees. They got like a ninety seven percent conviction rate. You know why because we got money to fight him so what you gonna do. You gonna take the flea weather the feds and the there's another reason to though so the f- the feds are different than your local authorities because they are because they are judged and their promotions are based on that conviction rate. And all that kind of stuff. If you get hit with a federal charge they know they can get you right. They don't they don't play like they. They know they can get you because guess what you not gonna fight. They might not have exactly what you did but they closed they might say but they know they know there's enough you went on peterborough. You wouldn't be radar if it was. They might not notice zag address. But now i'm looking at this paperwork. That's why they call it the discovery when when you get caught out of fast discovery so here i know you talking tyrant missile evidence. Ricky then told my stepfather back and they told him. I know how many cigarettes you smoke a day. Baby i know everywhere chewed ban. What you did. How many times plus to call it today. We can we. Can we laugh for just a minute about everybody. And i know i. I know this is a controversial topic. But i'm gonna say anyway like who thinks like the the covid nineteen vaccine has like a tracking chip and they're all worried about it. If you don't as as as your posting that conspiracy theory from your cell phone that has been proven to track your every word deed location. You ever want to get especially if you have an android phone or an apple phone. Go to the go to the location history if you ever truly want to get tweaked out and see how much they know about you. They know everything about you but we talk about had to stuff they get. They make enough. That's just what they do and they know you can't fight well and to your point like that was you know you would. You would made the point earlier about What was charged with like so. Because i mean that's the thing and that's that's reality. I mean. I've had this conversation with you can file a lawsuit about anything whether it's true or not you can file. You can like the election fraud like you can. You can sign an affidavit. That says anything. It doesn't mean it's actually. It just means that you're dumb enough that you're willing to go to jail for committing perjury. How many how. Many loss trump char Base sixty that went to court at bech abet. Everybody was wondering and confused and baffled about how in the oj simpson case. You can be acquitted of something. But still so civil. What as two different three different standards. Different standards of proof so like there's a criminal court and civil court have two very different standards of proof you know. I understand what you're saying. You would think that if you get it twitter. You can't be charged. How can like i just okay. I'm gonna go ahead. And i'm going to read the room with this question like do we know. Oj did it right. No he did not know this tyra dad and security company and we still blockbuster video and we had a guy come in. And he's he robbed a store in our guard. Shadow justify okay. Sodas yeah he sued our insurance. Our surest paid them even though he was in the wrong he had wrapped stores that week. That's still. They still had to pay so occasion when he'd been still pam nothing but they still pound for wrongful death. That's just prior to the like you say it was like well with we pam statistics and probability if you just if we because it what is okay so we can pay out. I'm going to twenty thousand dollars and avoid one hundred thousand dollar court and that's what it is with the federal government right now. They have money. They have money set aside. You stop like that even with the federal government when they come to me okay. How much money you got you. Can't you can't out them. No no. even quality and quantity had the best lawyers. He still couldn't beat them. No doubt that our job like you said they got money set aside and they make enough stuff and they gas who say they got a guy show according to say he did leave. I i i've seen so this idea. This never seen him before. But i mean i'm not disputing that you know there could possibly be. I just can't speak on everything that they say. There's a lot. Because i'm just not privy to know for a fact what you know but i'm not disputing the fact that that is some of the stuff that you say and we do know that i mean every every police department whether or whether it's police or federal their fans of what is known as charged stacking. They're going they're gonna throw it up against the wall was owner and they do that to all your friends and somebody ain't a real they're go. Oh yeah yeah. I mean he did it. I tried to tell him not to do it anyway. By the way does this mean. I can get a little piece of paper. That says that. I'm not guilty for this other shit that i did exactly what you did explain why you don't that makes sense so i can't get mad at me and she know my dog man. I mean okay. If it's not about hating twi both major. Whoa form a third time. Would you vote for him a third. Would you say hey if you could. Would you vote for a third time. I will note. Ain't no different than no. No i don't know. I don't know all right so my wife wanted to know one thing so know exactly what we're lies in. What were that's what we gotta start asking questions. That's what we don't we just we just take what they give us and be like okay with channel. Fosi assess it. You know is crazy because google is a gift curse. You know people google silly stuff but something like this. Some that requires information. Nobody ever looked at is like you know is is truly true. You wanna is off and black. People put in a book been already on. There was a special it. I can't. I can't remember exactly what it was. It wasn't necessarily like a whole episode special but after he was convicted. And all of that. Did you see the load series at a low part. Where they they talk to jurors. There was selected jurors that thought and tall I got a question for your time. Have you ever known anybody in anybody in your life who's been juror in a federal case. Now i want you know one. But i know one in see. That's what i'm saying that. I hate to say this but do you know any black people. You're you're more than allowed to refer to me as the token white guy pretty big. They was federal jurors. Yeah grand jury. Ricky now hale let me tell you this man justin at the most innocent god damn man. I didn't say that but we all we all you know you've been knowing me since the key and you know i ain't innocent and you know we don't know innocent. People we thought to be we know and innocent. But i'm just saying like you gotta you gotta get what they say forget. Forgive and forget like he. He ain't come in he ain't a pedophile. You ain't a murderer. I am not met that. He is not that they let him see my type away. I'm not mad about the happy for his son. You know he did seven years. you know of. Fortunately the conviction stan. Because he wasn't pardoned and he still won't be able to do a lotta things and still has restitution and everything to go through the restitution. They keep changing amount. So that was. That was the big that was the big confusion that happened is he was not pardoned. His sentence was commuted. And when you somebody in jail but when someone in jail doing twenty eight years you don't care what they would label it. Put it on getting out today. That's great and that's what's wrong with the what the that's what's wrong with this system now so you got guys oakland county. Nobody ain't giving from detroit ain't giving you know by right so if they say hey plead guilty to whatever you get out today what you're gonna do plead guilty guilty but guess what there's still a conviction even though you got out day. Now you got a felony so when you go get a job. I just did two days but you got a fairly. No you're right. Go get a job at a felony you like. Hey i did in two days. And what did i see how they get us or you're gonna get out is You get out say you did this. And that's adam. This had to get a lot of us but we're going to move on. I'm i'm glad you Told us perception and you know. I love your way. Do you like cousin. We go back. You know saying but disagreed about dialogue so absolutely we can get understanding for our people so our next next subject we're gonna move onto some low totally opposite and you know i'm i'm letting my man go i. I'm i'm out. Is laurie harvey. How do you feel about the situation. Laurie harvey i mean. They says she didn't she'd been about six dollars in the last two years are her boyfriend's. How do you feel about that being the man with her daughter. How do you feel about that. I mean see for me. you know. It's a lot of females on facebook just up and down my time line. They've pretty much made his young lady like the for black female dating like okay. Well she's young. You know that does it doesn't mean she's sleeping with him on what planet so she didn't future and she didn't. Puff daddy and shane sleepworld on. Puff daddy's gone to the wrong. You know day now means you know. Okay nobody baby mama. She just started twenty years though. She baiting how many have you. Oh i'm i'm a man. Here's the here's the thing. A lot of women's know a lot of women say that but even though technically it's the same thing is not viewed under the same length so like dow matter man's made matters a lot because because because a bunch of dudes who belong here screwing thirteen breast friends and whoever they want us and cheating and doing all kinds of stuff that i am a key thing you are lock you a master key. You are a lot. You don't want every key opening your luck to you. It's like this if you go get a car speculation that you know. There's this real they they yaojie they. You don't even know dayton in means fucking especially in that world. Hey tara let me tell you you go to the car dealership. It's a brand new beans. Two thousand and twenty. He liked damn this nice car. they only want dismissal. Do the carfax. It's been a six accidents in the last two years. Is this still a nice car. These girls al-anon these girls out here and he's been doing that forever. Oh so not not back to back to the so now you fan. What they've been doing forever. See when it was kwami. You can't compare but now you could hurt. And you can't compare laurie harvey some been here again. Buzzed down for the longest baby. Let me tell you now all of this the job wanna make up a young girl out here date multiple get money spent on this teacher day. They ain't getting us money. Guess who teach today asian. It et momma. That she out here is learned behavior. You home you've been talking to home. She was trying guess. What because not only are have been. I don't care you can speculate all day long. And they don't make stuff right. He's whatever this conspiracy oh kwami. This is factual nothing. She you said you saying. Ain't none of these guys. You saying future hit him. Do you know how have right. Now would you just say that how we talk it because we mean exactly and and if i've been six women in two years guess what you ain't gonna be able to tell. Oh no he ain't did nothing. No not has is. How can i say is saying the exact same behavior is just not viewed to say is not treated the same double standards. It's a double standard has the rules. But that's what it is. We don't care about us. I don't make the rules is not our room is not real as we live in this world right now is warm is ruled two women can do. A man came women that got a problem. Progress that day mad. Because they scroll and bobby and bobby got to drop them off at work long are when you deal with when a certain type of man you gotta deal with a certain woman year. Okay so mad about the let me tell you. A whole bunch of man put sausage in that hold is the same no matter how much money they get the same okay money. Don't make you not a ho. No money came from. Say you're asking. I know a whole bunch ezio z. I this is the bottom. The bottom line breaking is this. You know everybody gets what they want. I don't live for what you think because you won't pay my the thing but we go back to kwami. It was what we but see her. How you know. We don't know where you are. come on i. i'll tell you right now. Perky up he trying to future pull up he fuck. You may be true but the free songs one. She went back and forth through trey songz. Am man if if she if she getting passed around like a collection plate shapeless some change in she can she can hit. They no way around. All i'm saying. I i look at things literally. All i'm saying is i'm not saying the girl ain't stopping them all of them. Whatever i'm not saying. I don't know that's the poll. Main thing in this conversation is weakest speculate and and it may be very true. Okay but i see but are thinking. This conversation is women. Women applaud that. Oh yeah she was. She had a billion dollars worth of sausage interlock not june. I'm saying people do not you. Facebook georgie of women on facebook are soot oman. Time line there are women on my time line like you would think that lori harvey was kamala harris or something like that proud. It's not gonna use siri. Why are you so invested in that like you know some people just. That's just what they do. And i can't vow to the and you know i i'm not even online too seeing michelle obama with the outfit yesterday gave me most satisfaction. Megan stallion naked. It will just sexy in it but this will. We need to teach these young women though. See when your mom on satellite go get that nigger. He got some money. Then what you're doing you like a dog. Yeah get money like you at the players club. I mean i think the thing is. She wasn't in the public eye and they weren't you wouldn't even know about this girl's dating a white. Most women date that are her age. That are young. you wouldn't even know about. It happens every day all day because guess what is a bunch of knuckleheads his nicolau here. And guess what i'm young. I don't have no kids. I don't have no kids by them. And guess what you got. Data million frogs to get that rents bait. Nah not now when you when you when when you went hurt should nice looking young lady. She got going. She ain't gotta date all these malveaux. Now how would you feel. Souljah boy showed would wanna wanna barack obama daughters. She'd be like what i say. This i i wouldn't want that to be my daughter. Just say that. I wouldn't want that to be much daughters. Had you done it to people's doors. Hey what i do is my business that again like you say. Come here again Daughters right now that a treat and other people's daughter you right you right you number but once you a man once. You're mansi when i was doing then i was a boy and in no no but now mamane so when i have a daughter. I wouldn't do that to. Nobody see because i have a daughter. I'm a respect number. Spread to other women like i want my daughter ready re v respect like as far as that's always been easy for me i i'm the exception to the rule but mean yes i have tyrod. You're right you're right. I mean when it comes to that. But i was a boy. I wasn't mature enough to know that i'm talking about. Yeah but are you telling me. And i know grown ass. Men ronin known as man. Doing this was one of. Oh yeah he kind of a special case. Because i think i think he is nuggets purview case very well. This girl didn't do all they ended. I love my daughter called him. Wait a minute. Let me send her a message she. Oh hey this is what i'm saying. Hey wait i'm here. Hose can get warranty now. You didn't six accidents in the last two years. That's what being still sitting on that life. We like dan. Thirty thousand for the two thousand and twenty one as in the flood down in louisiana and a hurricane. Mr wires messed up over like supposed to. I know some fine. You put a charge. A key fob started up. I know some females. That if i was a gambling man the elasticity before vagina is gone. That shouldn't be sorry. I had to answer heart before she kept calling me. Okay fine but they deep freezers. You still allow there you go. Yeah i mean. I mean they they freeze thing and this is the thing for women. Women got the power they just don't know how to use it some don't right. You're absolutely some only on how to use it. I mean that's just like it's a bunch of women out here. They got men out here thinking that they wouldn't it down in the bathroom because they ask fucking day. That's crazy that's okay. Okay so check this out you know you know some women as faking orgasms. I'll plenty of women baby. Why don't they do teen years. Okay no do faking orgasm. Not i don't know. I'm just saying you know we ain't doing no shit like this. Why do women do so you know right. I did a topic on the radio one time and we talked about this and the amount of women that came on like him. And that's why. I think it and awe because all you know you would be arise and how many women out there right now not getting flee laurie harvey by one. That's terrible walking out here to the next one like he big boy put down and disappointing every fucking time because she got this. Nigga thank you telling the real so he can improve skills and become a better man faked one before you fake one. Listen having sex sex with her was like listening to paint dry. Listen to craziest thing. She was wet but it was cool. It wasn't more so. I'm like what you got used on. Pixel be warm. You know what i'm saying is let's see a human or reptile cold blooded human rights against but it was just terrible like you know she couldn't arm bending over hunter shoulders. It's like no then you'll back. what are you doing. She kept hunting or fucking shows. Like i asked her a question. It's not okay. Let me let me just put yes. I'm live. That's it was terrible. And i know that happened. I know well i'm hearing. And she was laying down some of them. I just come on. I'm just here for the you stat. Listen at this rigging okay so say you want in a relentless in a relationship or whatever whatever you don't know in your heart of hearts though that whatever one you end up with a pass that you know nothing about oh i do the car. The whole facts report. Now i do. Well no you're right you're right you don't know you fall in love and then you find out what everybody looking at your weird shit like that. Show girl a dog. That's that's you. Watch you kill them all like when you kiss her gargle wash. No that's my girl but as as we gonna say right now. We all know all the bus. Those aren't taking. i'm sorry. No all the deep freezer full of meat a new one me. I got to say if we're all i'll eat. No no no. No she is and we paid to see her so she she she nothing without us being in her business she do. I think. Well guess what. I don't think she care we teach it. We're not teaching young women especially younger not teaching them. Michelle obama will kamala harris. We teach them to be made his dad and laurie harvey. And that's that's where that's what life get fucked up it very. No light is so at my son. School last year before kovic. Don't ask me how this happened with security young man and a young lady go in the bathroom. Have sex tape. Been uploaded damn porn hook from the bathroom. Well what are you saying. Where's the security but the security guard is like four hundred pounds. He just sit at the door day. So when it's stuff he get up like A fight and i take your big break it up so you know it's it's crazy. It's like no supervision in so many of these cases and the parents come later on down the line like. When did my daughter started doing it. Like she been doing it. Should you just weren't paying attention to. I remember in third grade. Liberty got into a fight with a girl angle surname. She says she was pregnant for me. Man that was like yeah but she was really dealing with dudes over. You know so. She was series. I would. I was just on some little kids. She was awesome grown man shit but you know what else is crazy man all of these people all these women. Everybody were mad at r. Kelly rightfully so disease a fucking piece of crap. But what about the females knife and tim grade. That was. y'all too immature. They got twenty four twenty five years picking them up from school. When i was in high school it was a land old. Do grown men picking up than women and girls. Esi we talk about. We are kelly right. Some our grandfathers articles have been doing the same thing really been doing. Some of us wouldn't be here. If it wasn't for arcadia. I was looking at saying i was looking at because purple the other day for one of my writing classes. And you know mr was trying his best to get nettie and then he was like twelve twelve. Yeah he walk around waving his damn hat like you know what i'm saying cheetah shit trying to get a twelve you see back in the day you show to a man house. He has not show with a meal. And you pick. Which which one is you remember. I'm kind of perfect meal. Mu and he looked down. He said you can get one one no none against but see. These are things that we've been doing for is not saying they right. But y'all wanna y'all wanna get mad. Aren't kelly which we should absolutely. But some of you are going to be mad at your granddaddy to mine. Listened and that hurt your feelings you. How many people are mad as celebrities but they got the the pedophile and they family that everybody a make. Sure your kids. Don't go over there. But uncle charles yet never tell you why. Don't go over there i. That's the same thing with with a lot of these mama's out here they man daughter but out here screwing chuck driving current sent him home with a wet asked in coney island breakfast. They matt and laurie. Though but i'll hit dayton and they. That's good daughters door. All you forty right. Only a mama's brag about that too but see a young lady at my son's school her and her daughter got into a fight about do in the hallway at the school stuff they used to go on at. My son's school is just crazy. Like are y'all series mar fad. It really is but see back today. The mama days. The moment that lori harvey moment teaching see you got these moms and only get to this before we cut up we angle sit up here and blame everything on these moms know. Why because danny at absolute it did absolutely so. I'm not going to sit woman. Yeah i'm gonna start off women. What a daddy. It and you know the daddy somewhere here. I'm doing this i'm doing. Yeah you fucking bowling. Cause you ain't take your mind and here's the thing. Your son was son an my myself. Seventeen my daughter fifty. My daughter will walk to a door and stop. She won't open the door. My son walk around her open door for because that's what he saw me due to my wife so the thing is my my daughter. I'm the first man she gonna fall in love with. And i'm the first man. My son is going idolize. So whatever example. I sit is going to be the example. They take into the world so right. If i'm not showing her a man is supposed to love a woman based high treat my wife and how i treat her then she's going to accept any treatment for man because she doesn't know any better. Let's bank thing. It's the same thing with kids who the mothers that stay in abusive relationship that come to think that's how it was supposed to be absolutely absolutely notice mama mama saying boys to mama getting has worksheet. I need to man when. I met my wife when i met my wife. This month of guessing daddy no mama dials because the way she cared is the theme she expected then when i met her parents i was like i her day. Shit i can't have step. I got tom great. You can absolutely until the different. You can tell the difference. But i i grew up is some women are here. They said their standard for their kids to hang on. Say all single moms. Don't say absolutely no. You know what i'm saying but but tell you something else just like it. Just like his men. That prey on women is women to prey on men. Because i'm gonna tell you. I look how i look now rick. You look with a full beard divorce. And everything this heightened everything. When i was fourteen yet so grown women my momma. Most men have their first sexual experience like twelve thirteen per older. When i worked in the region three when i worked in the boyzone and the most of the boys that was there that was you know had molested or whatever it was with the opposite sex and some of them have become. You know homosexual. And we're not used to talk to him. I happened. I thought it was just hey to head. His homosexual encounter monte. All my my momma friend. Listen i was fifteen. My mom's friend was thirty. Three na She stay right next door. I was young and slow. So you know my mom again. I try and sneak out the back and you know my sister. My sister go across the street or homegirl house and be out five in today's morning. My mom and never come downstairs soon as go outside though she wanna come get some down water and looking at on everybody so i went over there. I mean she she she was about five eleven so i was a little scared because i'm typically typically tall women know she was a bruiser. She's built ford tough. You know so okay. So i went over there. She was a three fifty to fifty years she. She was a super duty. Yeah she was a war tank but Yes she went put on some drapes. I mean i guess it was negligent. It looked like drink. You know you know so moms competing on dollah shit scared the hell out of me so you know moms but kill me in the front yard so you know but my mom told her mckee is a fifteen thirteen and eleven so she knew how i was. I told her i was eighteen but no she didn't care all right right. Hey this was a good first episode so go wrap it up. Tyrod see you again you know. And thank you for joining us you know. And this is unconsciously raw is ricky fontaine degrade and we got off tyra tyra. Okay thank you for the next looking forward to next conversation. See you next thursday at six. Pm thank you bye-bye.

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Hang Up and Listen: The Last Last Dance

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Hang Up and Listen: The Last Last Dance

"Holiday season means stocking up on some essentials like decorations an ugly sweater with a bank of america. Cash rewards credit card. You can trust are in three percent cashback on online shopping. The essentials have never felt more rewarding visit bank of america dot com slash more rewarding to apply now copyright two thousand twenty bank of america corporation. This podcast contains explicit language. We do second Semi wife coming down felt like i was getting married. The familiar baritone voice you just heard belongs to. Michael jordan is january thirteenth nineteen ninety nine and he's in a crowded room at the united center home of the nba chicago bulls. I am here to to announce my retirement from the game of basketball It won't be another announcement to baseball or anything of that nature. This winter afternoon in chicago felt like it was really truly the end. Jordan's first retirement in nineteen ninety-three had been hastily organized affair. He was thirty then coming off of exhausting third straight championship run. He was also mourning the recent murder of his father james and he'd been dogged by rumors about his gambling habit. Then nineteen ninety-three season had been a hellish experience. He'd needed a break to go play baseball to clear his head. Jordan came back to the bulls after fifteen months off. And he'd win three more championships. He got the last win by nailing a game winning jumper over. Utah's brian russell. It was the perfect ending. Jordan's legacy was secure. This second retirement ceremony was different. More polished more michael jordan production. He came to the day with his wife. Juanita nba. Commissioner david stern and bulls owner jerry. Reinsdorf jordan was now nearly thirty six coming off of his second three peat. Time just need some time off. I'm a peace with a lot of those things. I know From a career standpoint I've accomplished everything. I could as an individual Right now i don't have the mental challenges That i've had in the past to see as a as as a basketball player jordan sounded certain but the reporters at the united center couldn't help prodding. Michael is there any chance whatsoever that you'll change your mind somewhere down the road and return. No i never say never but it ninety five ninety nine point. Nine percent number is security and decision you'll notice jordan. Didn't say one hundred percent the reporters notice to michael one last time for the record. Why do you have to walk out of here with that. One percent in your pocket because it's my warm percent or not yours. This time michael jordan stayed away for two full seasons. There's front page news tonight from sports to absolutely no one's surprise he's back again. Can he put the air back and do his game. If the advanced basketball age of thirty eight jordan didn't care about that perfect ending. He was going to write a new one for new team in a new city. Jordan's years as a shooting guard for the washington. Wizards have mostly vanished from our collective memory. Espn's ten hour documentary the last dance and with his sixth and final championship with the bulls as if his tenure with the wizards that espn series was about a champion one who pushed and sometimes punched his teammates. Victory in that story. jordan's commitment and competitiveness. Where the not so secret ingredient to his and their success but the story of jordan plo. Chicago isn't about winning. It isn't a fairy tale with a story. Book ending in washington jordan strengths became weaknesses in a wizard. The ultimate champion turned his back on his teammates and they turned their backs on him. How michael jordan end up in washington. Dc why couldn't you make the wizards into winners. And what does the final chapter of jordan's career reveal about him as a player and a person. My name is joel anderson. This is a special episode of hangup. Listen the last last dance. Michael jordan goes to washington. Washington's nba franchise wasn't always joke. The actually won a championship in nineteen. Seventy eight beck when they were known as the washington bullets in washington and bernie bickerstaff embracing over there as the washington. Bullets ulimately file off the law and the crowd. Here in the owner of the team was a poland. He bought a stake into vin baltimore. Bullets in nineteen sixty four then moved them to the dc suburbs a decade later that championship bullets. One thousand nine hundred. Seventy eight was a big deal in washington. The first title. One of the city's pro franchises and thirty six years. A poland died in two thousand nine. Here's a son robert. Polin was huge to him. We have this picture of him on the airplane going back with the trophy smile on his face. Oh yeah i mean he wore is ring every single day the rest of his life. The bullets made it to the finals again. The next season but this time they lost in the years that followed the bullets went into a tailspin phil. Chenier played on that. Seventy eight championship team then became a broadcaster for the bullets. We have some good players excited players in at the beginning of every year. We're looking at okay at this app. Is that this guy. Plays this guy plays. This happens but overall the team just wasn't being successful and the frustration was getting bigger bigger. Is you pushed on without being playoffs without sniffing the playoffs. It was tough. The french won just a single playoff series in the nineteen eighties ninety nineties. They were bad and totally irrelevant. Is michael jordan's chicago. Bulls came to dominate the nba. If he watched the last dance. You may remember one story about the bullets. In march nineteen ninety-three a young player named la bradford smith scored a career-high thirty seven points in a close loss to the bulls. He scored a lot of those points. While defended by michael jordan chenier was watching from a few feet away and he kept his eyes on smith after the game he kind of made a beeline towards where jordan was. And you can kind of see this exchange and it looked like. He had him on sundays status. A nice game it's unclear. Fla bradford smith actually said nice game but this was going to be one of the tiny perceived slights that michael jordan used to motivate himself a lesser players scoring on him and then having the goal to talk shit. Jordan wouldn't have that unfortunately for smith. The bullets and the bulls played again the next night. Michael takes it out the turnaround in the rematch. Jordan scored thirty six points in the first half. Lebron smith had been one of the bullets. best prospects. he was out of the league year later. But nineteen ninety-seven the bullets. a promising. young core led by juwan. Howard and chris webber that year. They made the playoffs for the first time. In nine seasons the first round opponent was not the opponent you wanna face in the first round have eliminated the washington bullets dramatic bathroom. Michael jordan's scoring fourteen fourth quarter a few weeks after jordan. And the bulls swept that series the washington franchise. It's name a poll and said that bullets connote killing violence and death and that a sports team should not be involved with that kind of a name. The new nickname wizards won out over seadogs express stallions and dragons but changing names didn't change the team's fortunes neither did moving to a new arena. The mci center downtown washington dc. Poland's team needed something or someone else in the best basketball player in the world. He was looking for a new job in november nineteen ninety nine michael jordan. Stop by the chicago bulls practice facility. A young bulls player corey. Benjamin had been talking about challenging jordan to a game of one on one jordan showed up that day to kick corey benjamin's ass which he did and he talked to reporters afterward and said i was in stopped playing still love basketball doubt but there is still are filling you happy with your life right now. So it's just a little break to get back. Picked him up. So i mean it's enough. I got enough opportunities. Played enough challenge golf his jack mccallum. He covered the nba for sports illustrated. Michael was a spokesman. But you didn't have the sense that he was plotting the steps to become an executive. And i remember larry bird's comment. What do you want to do when you retire. I want to be the fattest man driving out of boston in other words. I'm just going golf. That's what i saw for. Michael jordan was sincere about wanting to work in the nba in no place appealed to him quite like chicago. Problem was the team. He'd lead to six titles. Didn't want him around the bulls were shut off. I mean when that saying ended they were gone for whatever reason. The reason is actually pretty clear. After enduring years of criticism and at times bullying from jordan the bulls front office was done with him for the bulls. Jordan's abrasiveness wasn't worth it. If they were no longer contending for championships jordan was now a free agent in nineteen ninety nine. He backed out of talks to buy a stake in the charlotte hornets. The reportedly wouldn't give him enough control. Jordan also met with denver milwaukee and vancouver all struggling franchises looking for credibility boost and then another suitor emerged to get jordan. The washington wizards will have to give him total authority over basketball decision. Making that men stripping those responsibilities from franchise legend. Wes unseld wizards owner. Abe pollin agreed to that jordan would also get a stake in the franchise making him one of just a handful of black nba owners. Steve was the wizards beat writer for the washington post. The league was really behind. You really want to jordan back into the nba. Davis had a great relationship with a poland. Who is a wonderful man and who really wanted to win more than anything else and he was willing to work with the league to make that happen. The wizards were desperate. They traded away their young star chris. Webber and they'd start at the nineteen ninety nine two thousand season by losing twenty eight of their first forty games. Jordan seemed like their chance at redemption in january. Two thousand to washington wizards introduce jordan as the franchise's new president of basketball operations in that press conference. He made it clear that he wasn't miracle worker. As much as you guys may give me the respect being year and certainly the expectations. That are kind of set for myself. Because i used to shoot a basketball around pretty decent This team you're my my efforts to try to make this team a successful one screen. That's going to take some time but I look forward to the challenge. Michael jordan came to washington. Dc in a suit but there was always some speculation that he would trade it in for uniform. Here's rachel nichols beg. She was a sports writer for the washington post. Certainly anyone who covered michael in the late nineties didn't think when he walked off the court after that ninety eight season that lasts dance season that he was done as a player. Nobody thought oh man he better retire. He's lost it. Nobody thought that it wasn't however all michael jordan's just coming here undercover as an executive. And he's really gonna come play. It wasn't like that it was more of just maybe never know jordan inherited players. That weren't good enough to win on their own and from his spot in the front office there were only so many levers that jordan could pull after ten days on the job. He fired first year head. Coach gar heard when the wizards season was over jordan hired leonard hamilton from the university of miami and things only got worse on december. Sixth two thousand. The foreign fourteen wizards blew a huge lead to the five and fourteen. Los angeles clippers after the game. Jordan lost his shit. He stormed into the locker room and told the players they were a disgrace to the fans and had a loser's mentality jordan said he wanted to trade them away but the no teams wanted them. The boss wasn't exactly leading. By example jordan spent big chunks of time managing his personal business empire an playing golf. About twenty days. Each month. he'd be back home in illinois. Watch wizards games alone in its basement. Mike wise covered the nba for the new york times. His work at the gm was suspect. He was often out of town. He wasn't the guy working the phones he was still ahead of michael jordan inc. This became a moonlighting gig. Almost for michael jordan. The wizards finish the year. Nineteen and sixty three a month after the end of the regular season jordan earned his first meaningful victory in the front office. The franchise won the two thousand one. Nba draft lottery giving them the first overall selection and a chance for rebirth afterward. Jordan spoke to reporters on a conference call from the twelfth hole of a golf course. Eight on thomas came to washington into first big trade michael jordan ever made a toe injury sidelined thomas for the entire two thousand two thousand one season. Which would have been his first in. The nba came out to dc like last two games. Two games ooh law. This is terrible. I was like. I think they were born in the stands and it was like you know he's getting beat by a billion i think what like nineteen games that year. So i'm talking to other guys then again. You have a chance to play erica's as you see. This is bad. Thomas was working out at the wizards practice facility. When a pair of highly touted prospect showed up both just finished their senior seasons in high school their names were tyson chandler and kwami brown and kwami shield all of them. He wasn't even close. If the wizards had the top pick two years later. They could've taken lebron james but in two thousand one there was no consensus about the best player available. Kwami brown was an enticing gamble. Only nineteen years old brown already. Looked like a grown man is six foot eleven inches and two hundred and forty five pounds by this point. A bunch of guys drafted out of high school. Hit become huge stars. But none of them not kevin garnett kobe bryant. He'd been taking with the number one overall pick in two thousand and one nba draft. The washington wizards select warming round brunswick own draft night. Brown was the center of attention for just a couple of minutes moments. After the wizards picked him the tnt crew turned. Its attention to the wizards team president. What we got you there my call. You're joining broken ribs and a pickup game the week before the draft. The injury fueled speculation. That jordan was thinking of returning to the court. In march sports illustrated columnist. Rick reilly wrote. The jordan was ninety percent committed to making a comeback jordan denied the report even as the workouts continued beckett the draft the tnc panel featuring jordan's friend. Charles barkley pressed him about his plans and we tried to get some answers off charles. You're heavy you guys could share a special moment. Might nobody'll will reveal what you say on your real. Why don't worry about it you you get still the boss in later that night off camera barkley told a reporter. Michael wants to play. It was true. Jordan was working out hard six days a week up to six hours a day jordan de executive hit ballooned to two hundred and forty pounds. He was now back down to his playing weight of to twelve. Here's rachel nichols. It turned eventually into the worst kept secret in the world because he was holding these workouts with current mba players to sort of get himself back into shape and engage where he was people knew that he was doing it. And you didn't know if he was going to pol the final step of it and actually do it but we knew that he was looking to see if he could. Michael lahey was on the jordan. Beat for the washington post. He later published a book on. Jordan's time in dc called when nothing else matters months before that two thousand one draft jordan. Lahey that he'd never wanted to quit playing that he left the bulls only because his coach phil jackson had been forced out join fretted about his diminishing stature and the game about how kobe bryant and vince carter had replaced him as the faces of the league. It gets the competitor going. He said all the losses in washington will also taking their toll when he did show up. Two games in dc jordan set in a luxury box and he looked down at the faces of wizards fans staring up at him to him. Those faces said get on the court and fix this his jack mccallum. A sports illustrated sixty percent of it was wanting to get back there and forty percent of it was i can be. I can be better doing this. I think michael saw himself. That michael as an executive wasn't necessarily going to Going to get it done. Good morning air. Jordans taxiing for take-off legendary basketball great. Michael jordan is getting ready to return to the game. He loves today. Tuesday september eleventh. Two thousand one. Michael jordan's comeback was everyone's top story on the morning of september eleventh. That changed at eight forty six. Am eastern when american airlines flight. Eleven crashed into the world. Trade center in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks jordan decided to wouldn't be appropriate to call a big news conference two weeks later. He released a statement through his management agency. I am returning a player to the game. I love jordan. Said that the wizards a team that had just gone. Nineteen and sixty three. Would now be a playoff contender. A lot of people thought jordan was making a big mistake. His friend charles. Barkley said that was nothing positive for jordan to gain by coming back jordan. Responded it is first press conference as a wizards player. I'm not walking into this scenario thinking. I'm failing i'm walking into thinking. I'm coughing up. Pretty sure i can make it work. Can't if i sit here and listen to everyone else. Tell me that. I can't do it then. Obviously i wouldn't be here. His first game back against the new york knicks at madison square garden a month and a half after nine eleven the attacks still loomed over everything in american life. The thirty eight year old jordan. Who'd signed a two year contract with the wizards with a one million dollar starting salary. He pledged that entire amount to victims of terrorism. The day before the game jordan paid a visit to ground zero on the court. The starting lineups were introduced alongside members of the military from the united states. Navy aviation storekeepers. Second class getting from north carolina. Number twenty three michael jordan. It was quite a buildup even by the standards of michael jordan in new york. The game didn't live up to any of it jordan misses. I shot a pull up jumper in transition. He made a second a layup. His third was an air ball in the final seconds with a chance to tie the game. Jordan threw the ball away but then washington still back jordan wearing his trademark number twenty three on an unfamiliar dark blue jersey. Had one last chance michael jordan. These a hot down by creep. Thomas fall jordan's add some open. Looks five games into his. First comeback in nineteen ninety-five jordan had scored fifty five points against the nixon madison square garden. His famous double nickel on this night. He finished with nineteen or seven for twenty one shooting in a wizards loss. Three weeks later jordan. Shot eight for twenty six and another defeat. That dropped the wizards record to two nine. Worst of all jordan's body was breaking down. Let's take a quick break. You decided to upgrade your outdoor deck. So you ordered the essentials. A power washer said a patio chairs and a shiny new grill. And you used your bank of america. Cash rewards credit card choosing three percent cashback on online shopping up to five point two five percent as a preferred rewards member. 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Put himself through to get on the floor. You would have to get his knee drain. And it was like the grossest thing that i've ever seen slow like the elephant man and then they will come in with this long needle in drain it and there would be like this black tar goose stuff that will come out. It was disgusting. And so i don't even know if he was supposed to even be playing does on camera but what time we're sitting in the locker room and i looked over to my ass house like. Why are you doing this like honestly i was like. You don't have anything to prove your. Mj he didn't really answer. Like why are you even blame for basketball. People didn't see. The incredible thing was a physically compromise. Michael jordan was still michael jordan. Here steve wyatt of the washington post he had some moments. I mean he had some. I mean more than moments where he really he really played like m j one of those moments came on december twenty ninth. Two thousand one jordan went to that game against the charlotte hornets having scored a career. Low six points two nights earlier this would be a better night jordan for his first shot at the game has third of what he got thursday short for second shot. It's nothing short. He scored twenty four points in the first quarter. He had thirty four by halftime and at the end of the night jordan was flirting with history. Sort hundred jordan was the oldest player to ever score fifty points in a game afterwards. He said i wanted to make a statement. Offensively jordan was recovering from preseason injuries to his ribs and me in recapturing his old magic two nights later against new jersey. He put up forty five in another wizards victory lifting their record to sixteen and fourteen a month after that. The wizards trailed the cavs by one point with one point six seconds left. Everyone knew who was getting the ball city of cleveland jordan teammates. Mobbed him everything was working in. Everyone was happy all across america. Michael jordan was king eight. Thomas saw it firsthand. You know those videos where you see like wherever jay. It's on where he is going overseas and stuff like that. Acc big crowds there. And they're all just yelling screaming his name like trying to touch his arm and stuff like that or they like such as you. Don't be something like that happens. Bass out was with edgy door. Craziest thing i remember like is this is. This'll be a is like you say is like no. You're not free. madness brendan. Haywood was another young player on that wizards team. All our games martin. Tv like other players will come into the locker room trying to get shoot signed it was it was crazy to see like your konate. Walk over there. Hey make you sign a shoe and it's not a son when my boys was sitting the standard craziest story told me was. It was a dad and a son that was sit behind him. Mike wasn't playing well at night. Is daddy george. Orme got it no more. He said he said the damage that his son says son ever said about michael jordan un-american and late two thousand one in early two thousand and two michael jordan was still one of the best basketball players in the world heading into the all star break jordan and kobe bryant with the only guys in the league averaging more than twenty five points five rebounds and five assists the wizards who twenty six and twenty one and led the league in home attendance. Mike wise the new york times he'd been skeptical of jordan's latest comeback. But now we thought jordan was an mvp candidate. Wise wrote in january. That jordan had done the improbable again. He got his teammates. The once woeful wizards to believe in. I forgot that i wrote that gets. There was a real sense of excitement a poland. His business plan is paying off. But michael jordan is getting his end of the bargain. He's getting scratch that edge again. He worked really hard to come back. And i do think there was a belief early on it. Wouldn last the good times ended against sacramento in the final game before all star weekend after hitting a jumper in the second quarter jordan banged into avon thomas jordan dropped to the court grabbing his right knee. You gotta be kidding me. I don't this had not happened. It was weird because it's not like we hit that hard it was just wear it hit his knee. Jordan shook it off and lead the wizards to the fifth straight win but the toll of that collision and the grind to the nba schedule showed up three days later. At the all-star game in philadelphia jordan was only a week away from turning thirty nine. We win a four breakaway dunk. In the first quarter he looked at decade older. Oh gracious sakes two weeks later in a loss at miami jordan's knee was so sore that he couldn't play most of the fourth quarter after the game he told reporters. My mind is still consistent but my body isn't that it mission was a huge deal. The legend of michael jordan had been built around his indestructible. Eighty one no matter. What jordan was finely balanced to the obvious. His knee wouldn't get better if he kept playing on it. He had torn cartilage an injury. Likely exacerbated by refusal to give the knee arrest his competitiveness. it made him vulnerable. Jordan had surgery on february twenty seventh. Two thousand two jihadi white. Who played center for the wizards saw everything they'd built that year. Start to slip away less than halfway through season we started djelic. We definitely had a playoffs. Like my fair you know when playoff gum anybody win. I'm be a different person. He said and in my wind down got hurt three weeks. After jordan had surgery he tried to give it another go. He averaged a little more than twelve points in the next seven games on april second. He scored just two in the lost. His old coach phil jackson's los angeles lakers for jordan. That was it. He was done for the season. So with the wizards they'd finish the year. Thirty seven and forty five in out of the playoffs jordan could've ended his comeback here. He'd shown the be could still play. Forced body betrayed. Stopping would have been reasonable. The michael jordan didn't become michael jordan. Lobbying reason the wizards coach doug collins said that the greatest player of all time wasn't ready to quit what he said to me was. He's going to shut it down. Let the thing. He'll get the inflammation out of there and Whether that six weeks or eight weeks or might be and he's doing with the idea that he wants to Play next year. Michael jordan had always been a winner and he expected his teammates to be winners to jordan demand. Excellence and he didn't make those demands politely. Here's rachel nichols michael. Jordan did not have mercy for anyone when he was a player and as an executive and that included guys that he possibly should have been trying to nurture more. But that's just no michael. Jordan is in the fall of nineteen ninety-five. He punched his bulls. Teammate steve kerr in the face. During a team scrimmage in nineteen ninety seven ninety eight. He tormented another bulls teammate. Scott burrell calling him a dumb ass bitch and a ho in the last dance join argued that he was toughing. These guys up so that they'd come through when it mattered and the bulls did come through. You can't argue with six championships right. But maybe you didn't have to be that way. Those both teams had a lot going for them. They had scottie pippen. Horace grant and then. Dennis rodman plus phil. Jackson is the head coach. It's hard to imagine that jordan calling. Scott burrell ho is what put them over the top. The truth is some guys would have been better off if they'd never met jordan. Dennis hopson wasn't featured in the last dance but he played for the bulls in the early nineties. One of their teammates said that jordan's abuse ruined hopson that it broke him down mentally. The bulls traded hobson in nineteen ninety. One he was out of the nba and nineteen ninety-two the wizards players. I talked to said that jordan was a little easier on his teammates in washington. Here's johnny white. He can happen do that as much. And i think even more owning my kind of probably could understand that some time he can take a different perspective. A different route drive to do so. You only really tough with was kwami in his first. nba season. Kwame brown averaged four and a half points in three and a half rebounds in fourteen minutes game. Those were the worst numbers for number one draft. Pick in nearly thirty years michael jordan the executive hit draft the nineteen year old brown straight out of high school and when brown struggled early on jordan. The player lashed out. It was a tough relationship. And don't think that you can say probably would have been a superstar or if you've been morale's but it certainly was a lot harder because he started under that spotlight and he was never able to do everything michael wanted him to do. And it costs a lot of friction. Light kwami brown. Brendan haywood was a wizards rookie. In two thousand one. Unlike brown heywood had spent four years in college. We start at the university of north carolina. He's trying to learn all that stuff on the fly but more importantly no one ever identified that man. This is a immature kid right now. That's trying to fit into a grown man world. And mike did neither. But you know he's my either grains play a whole time is one championships. He expects a certain level. You know played with a high school guy before so he didn't understand he. We had to dumb it down for where we needed to talk to him. At certain way after jordan's first season as a wizards player. Michael he wrote in the washington post. The jordan had been patient with brown four week jordan thought. The rookie didn't work hard. Enough and then one day in practice brown complained that he'd been fouled according to lahey jordan exploded when he heard that any called his teammate. A homophobic slur at the time. Kwami brown didn't confirm or deny that account. All he said was. It was pretty rough. But that's michael jordan. More recently brown has denied the jordan ever called him a slur. He said it was just gossip to sell more papers or magazines. I don't know with michael. Jordan said to kwami brown and practice that day. Lahey declined an interview but he told me that he stands by its reporting jordan and brown both turned down my interview. Requests head coach. Doug collins didn't wanna talk either steve wyatt. The wizards beat writer told me he didn't hear it. Johnny white said the same thing. There is one thing. I can say with certainty. Kwame brown was desperate for kind of affirmation. That michael jordan would not give him brendan haywood again. I don't think. Mike realize that kwami. You're not a teammate to him you're michael jordan. He looks up to you. So when you yell at wami you take off confidence when you talk down to kwami. He feels like he's nothing. Kwami brown wasn't the only one in the locker room fell to connect with jordan. Jordan was at least fifteen years older than most of his wizards teammates. Many grown up idolizing him joined in mom being worshiped but he preferred the company of people his own age. His closest friend on the roster was thirty nine year old. Charles oakley a former bulls teammate. Who the wizards brought over in two thousand two in giving his extraordinary fame jordan was also understandably guarded around newcomers assad from oakley he mostly hung out with his bodyguards. His longtime trainer in a few other close acquaintances that was no great loss to the younger players. We would kind of like into different things. Man mike the smoke cigars and drink and drink his little wine. Playcalls gambled all night with the money that was on the table but and gamble with him. Barak could make an even make it a west coast trip. Tried again with them. Build so like gambling. I'm playing video even when we go out to mike trying to go to most. Is you know he's not trying to go to that spot. The wizards didn't need to get along off the court to get in sync on the court but the court thing that wasn't working either michael jordan would be back in a wizard form in the fall of two thousand and two. His most talented team made wouldn't be the wizards had two guys who averaged twenty points a game and the two thousand one two thousand two season michael jordan and a twenty four year olds shooting guard named rip hamilton. Hamilton was the wizards best young player. A building block that any smart franchiser wanna keep around. But if the wizards we're going to win with michael jordan they needed to do it immediately. He was too old and hobbled to wait on his teammates to develop just before jordan. Second season as a wizards player. The team traded hamilton for jerry. Stackhouse stackhouse had been compared to jordan as a college star in north carolina in the nba. He averaged thirty points a game in the two thousand two thousand one season the twenty seven year old small ford could take some of the scoring load off jordan. But he wasn't going to defer to him. Brendan haywood again heights. Looking for the next scottie. Pippen to be with them. Stacks looking for mike. Pass the torch. Obviously there was a mixup communication. So that they had almost like a weird. Like i will relationship on the team so the team was weird that you they never had words but it was an uneasy tension the jordan who back to the court in two thousand two needed help agent injuries that clearly slowed him down. Even compared to the j of two thousand one and yet jordan wasn't willing to play a supporting role. Here's jack mccallum sports illustrated. he can't come back to a teen and suddenly become a guy that's going to set picks and facilitate every. It's just not going to happen. House jerry stackhouse going to be jerry stackhouse with michael out there. Nobody was a better score than michael jordan. But before phil jackson took over as the bulls head coach in nineteen eighty nine. The nocco jordan was that he was too much of a ball hog to win a title. Jackson's greatest accomplishment was convincing jordan. That even the best player in the world couldn't win on his own. Michael jordan could be trusting under the right circumstances but he always believed it himself more than he believe in anyone else in their two thousand two season opener against the toronto raptors. The wizard shot thirty percent and scored just sixty eight points after the game. Stackhouse said they were out of sync jordan. Said it was pretty ugly. When jordan mr breakaway dunk. The crowd in toronto laughed. The plan for the season had been for jordan to come off the bench to save his energy and prevent another injury. Jordan and the wizards quickly scrapped. That idea in january. He played fifty three minutes in a double overtime win over the pacers finishing with forty one points and twelve rebounds after the game jordan wondered if it was the start of something big. We really need to laugh mukilteo and you just had stretches where have you couldn't put it together game. I think we've been putting together. But jordan only had so much left to give and it showed later that month and another game against toronto. The raptors came to washington having lost twelve of thirteen games and they had to. Nba minimum of eight players on their roster. One of them was twenty-three-year-old damone brown. He just been called up from the minor league. north charleston. locators time went on. I had a couple possessions whereas switch out on them or end up on on that. They're pretty good. That's brown at halftime. The raptors coach. Lenny wilkins told the six foot nine ford. He'd be guarding jordan. In the second half. I'm not gonna go out there and go like anybody in called myself. Joris sabra kobe. Staff or anything like that. I think i just got lucky on that day and was able to do my part of the test and making a dip. Paul brown is being humble but this was the best night of his mba career. He had thirteen points. The most ever scorer in the league jordan finished with twenty two but it took him twenty three shots to get their the raptors one eighty four to seventy five michael jordan hypnotists career and reputation by embarrassing guys like damone brown. But now it was jordan. Who was getting embarrassed. The wizards nineteen in nineteen and going nowhere for jordan the rest of the season would be a glorified retirement tour. It halftime of the two thousand and three all star game in atlanta mariah carey serenaded jordan. Carry war jordan's wizards jersey as address it. At the end of a medley. She brought him out. The mid quarter. Michael jordan had tears in his eyes as the approach carey and hugged the original crying jordan. Moment after a minute and a half standing ovation jordan address the crowd. I have passed on that. Dr j. some of the great players magic johnson larry bird is passed on to pass on threes. All starts here as well as in. Nba thank you. Thank you for your support can go home to the piece the game of basketball. A thieving graciousness stepping aside for the next generation of nba stars. But the truth was jordan. Had been totally gracious. Jordan had finished behind. Vince carter alan iverson and tracy mcgrady into all star voting. That meant for the first time in jordan's career. He was on the team as a reserve mccarter. Hit been pressured to give up his starting spot. So the jordan could hold onto the spotlight. This crowd wants so badly for michael to hit. That first shot these old for three airs poet. Michael offer five here at the start. Jordan would start the game over seven. Heat ended up nine for twenty seven from the field but in overtime he got the chance for one last storybook finish. This should have been it. Kobe bryant got fouled and tied the game with two free throws jordan. Got one more chance to win it but this time shawn marion swatted away. A shot jordan clearly winded set out the entire second overtime a week. After the all star game jordan celebrated his fortieth birthday at the ritz carlton in washington. Dc charles barkley was there so we're jazy beyond say and donald trump who brought along model girlfriend. Melania trump told the washington post the jordan's wife. Juanita did a wonderful job at the party and there was just great affection for michael six nights later against the new jersey nets jordan history for the final time. Another three throw kapoor the first time that old school forty or more kids should an nba game. Incredible jordan scored the go-ahead basket with thirty four seconds. Left lifting the wizards to the win. But nobody in washington was feeling optimistic jordan. Instead house never resolve their chemistry issues and kwami brown wasn't developing at all. Here's mike weiss again. The most damning thing. I remember hearing and god rest his soul. I can give up his anonymity now. West sun cell told me this. Wes unseld who died this june. At the age of seventy four was the most beloved figure in franchise history. He'd been with the team since nineteen sixty eight as a player and then an executive and he'd accepted a lesser role in the front office. When jordan came to washington he said michael has been great for many of us in this organization ways as raised the value of the franchise has made us respectable in other ways and yet he's poisoned the locker room and i go well i know that. How do i knew that. And he goes. I just went around and ask every player if they would chip in for retirement gift for him give him something nice all of them on me and said every plan unanimous. It's no wonder jordan's teammates weren't sad to see him go is washington seasons slipped away. Join took the belittling the younger wizards after he scored thirty nine points in a loss to the knicks. He said it's very disappointing. When a forty year old man has more desire than twenty five. Twenty six twenty three year. Old people. After a blowout defeat and phoenix. Jordan said. i'm not gonna try to save. This team is not my job. This was the petty cruelty of chicago years. But without the victories that made it come off as motivational michael. Lahey of the washington post ex-jordan jordan if publicly blasting his teammates might hurt them. Arou- jordan's response. The truth hurts. Michael jordan's last home game. On april fourteenth. Two thousand three was a total non event. Although it was officially a sell out there were empty seats scattered throughout the mci center. The only bit of spectacle came before tipoff when defense secretary donald rumsfeld gave jordan american flag. That flag had flown over the pentagon on the first anniversary of the september eleventh attacks. The game itself ended in another listless defeat for the wizards jordan scored twenty one points and didn't address the home crowd. Two nights later in philadelphia jordan. Better send-off sixers great. Dr j. in moses malone gave him a personalized golf cart in late in the fourth quarter with the sixers leading by twenty and jordan on the bench and warm ups. The crowd demanded an encore jerry jordan. The game with two thirty five left and hit two free throws giving him fifteen points for the night and then he checked back out. There's the end. Jordan was thirty six hundred eighty nine as the wizards team president and they were seventy four ninety during his two seasons as a player. The team never seriously contended for the playoffs. Jordan was no longer young enough to carry his teammates on the court. Any couldn't build a roster that gave him enough help. The wizards had neither a strong foundation nor bright future especially given to call me braun. Looked like a bust. Jordan would not apologize for bruising his teammates confidence or even for picking the wrong players. He still thought he was the man. Fix the wizards that he could fix everything that he never acknowledged screwing up friday as cinnamon retirement papers whenever that have to do that. And then from that point on. Obviously i wanna move back upstairs here steve. Why should the washington post everyone expected that when. Mj's playing tenuous over. He was gonna move back into the front office. The succession plan and ownership was already set place and within a day or two a michael's final game. You really begin to hear like apes going to let him go. I don't again j. knew that but you begin to hear like something is not right here. Something doesn't smell right year. Wizard sonar poland was indeed wary of bringing jordan back. He had alienated players in the locker room and failed to distinguish himself in the boardroom. Plus jordan had shown little interest building relationship with poland. Who is technically his boss. You could sense that. Abe was a wonderful man. He felt disrespected. Because you know look. I'm not gonna lie. Michael time street of the organization like it didn't exist before him was also clear. That jordan had no particular loyalty to poland or the wizards jordan had hinted as much after his final game. At the mci center. We have to have some discussion with management here and hopefully single is smooth. Expect in if not have other options jordan. Believe that he'd done a huge amount for the wizards and they'd sacrificed for the franchise giving up his ownership stake when he resumed his playing career. Now jordan thought he deserved to be rewarded. A raise your profile. Your arena sold out. The value of your team is two or three times greater than what it was. When i came here you should be grateful for that. You had two different perspectives in two different worlds trying to operate together. Which of course ended very ugly april and fired jordan on may seventh two thousand and three to the wizards owner. It was the inevitable. Dissolution of a partnership that it run its course. Here's a son robert poland. Who's now when economist at the university of massachusetts amherst michael felt like he had been promised something. And my father said you'd never were promised Your job back. In fact it would have been Against the league rules to have done that. So michael jordan. Getting fired is not something that michael jordan was used to so naturally he was very bitter in a statement jordan said that he was shocked by the decision and the callous refusal to offer me any justification to it. Joins teammates were shocked. The call game at all. It is a thomas. They basically used update for two years to drive up all their revenues change their dire franchise and then they said okay. You know that. Thank you for your services now. And here's brendan haywood. I think that taught me more life less. About how big you a big bank can take little bank especially if you black you know when you're twenty two twenty three twenty four years old. You're not really thinking about that joe. Treat michael joy that was jordan's final in washington the sixth time. Nba champion couldn't leave town fast enough. He went down to the mci center. Parking garage got into his mercedes. Convertible put the top down and drove away. Rachel nichols when he drove out of that parking lot. Nobody was sorry to see each other. Have the door hit them on the way out. Three years after getting fired in washington jordan bought a stake into nba charlotte. Bob cats in the past fourteen years jordan's team has lost. Fifty eight percent of their games in hasn't won a single playoff series. Poland says that track record confirms that his father made the right decision. You look at what he's done in charlotte. i mean. he is not a good team presidents or owner. He doesn't add a bill the champion. that doesn't include him. It's just a fact and the wizards two years after jordan got ousted washington finish forty five and thirty seven and made the playoffs for the first time since nineteen ninety-seven the guy who led them their head coach. Eddie jordan whatever. His shortcomings as an executive michael jordan legacy as a player wasn't diminished by his time in washington. He'd already gotten a perfect ending that six championship but jordan wanted a seventh title and he was willing to risk his reputation to go for it. All the cared about was winning. That's what made him a great player. Perhaps the greatest ever in a very difficult person. I think sometimes fans watch athletes into them. They're characters on the screen and they want the story of the character to end a certain way but the characters a real guy. And i think what he did in washington showed in some ways. The stretch of his greatness was even longer and wider and deeper than we thought. The idea. That people who love michael jordan. Just wanna forget. It is actually always a little silly to me. One person who doesn't seem to agree with that take is michael jordan himself. When jordan was inducted into the basketball hall of fame in two thousand nine he spoke for twenty two minutes. He told the guy who'd beaten him out for varsity spot in high school that their coach had made a huge mistake. He told his children that he was sorry that they'd have to live in his shadow and he recalled telling a bulls assistant that. There's not an i in team. But there's an i in win jordan. Say a single word about his time with the washington wizards to him. That wasn't a story worth telling this special episode of hang up and listen was produced by me and melissa kaplan with editorial direction josh levin sophie summer grant is our assistant producer. Michalis book on jordan's time with the wizards is titled when nothing else matters. Special thanks to ryan roberts and slates meghan calcium channel to ben mathis lilley stephan francis katie raeford alison benedict gabriel. Roth alicia montgomery june. Thomas and jared hold. Thanks for listening if you like this episode and want to hear more. You're in luck later this week. 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S2 E15: The Murder of Tamara Greene

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S2 E15: The Murder of Tamara Greene

"And Best of all they have melatonin which can regulate your sleep cycle so you can wake up ready to take on the day to learn more go to nature may dot com. Hey this episode of crime town is brought to you by nature made Melatonin. Gumy's these dummies are strawberry flavored gluten free and one hundred percent drugfree Alcala this lady this girl hey that tammy danced for Konica Patrick at a party and was ultimately killed to salvage the mayor's political career mirror green comes back to haunt Detroit's disgraced ex mayor. I'm Rob Zip. Go welcome to so why is Kwami back in court. The family of the murdered stripper is suing kwami Kilpatrick. He has fallen from quite a high mountaintop and yet he was the most arrogant most brazen. She had an opportunity live like she was raised. no-one could've green things would have made the turns there but now he's back in court. That was surreal. Guy At this point is already in custody. This is lawyer Norman you Touma. He remembers seeing Kwami that day. He is ushered in in handcuffs it car with tinted windows. He'll be deposed today. Regarding the two thousand ten Kwami Kilpatrick has resigned as mayor and he's behind bars for lying on the stand about an affair have food we had to bring them food and the father was not there and she swore that she would never if she to crime town. Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick is going to jail lied under oath indicate superior was going somewhere if she stays on the straight and narrow course this is pastor Ken Hampton before Tamara Green was an exotic dancer known as strawberry in person. I've ever had the privilege of deposing he was making speeches as if he was still running for office is if the news cameras were still on him. Stories are just getting started. Don't wait a week for the next episode. Listen to all of season two today. Go to crime town V._I._p. Where you can listen in the spotify APP or they did. How did you first meet tomorrow. <hes> think it was like some type of <hes> rear today on the show the murder of Tamara the city of Detroit alleging obstructed the investigation into green's two thousand three shooting death. It's been alleged in the complaint was very simply. You're on your desktop to of questioning former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick. Take a look at some video. Patrick was brought here from federal prison in an unmarked strawberry. He was her minister at Grace Bible Chapel. She came up in poverty. They were dirt poor. I mean there were times when they didn't. He looked like you've seen him on the news. <hes> with the exception of the wardrobe change rather than being in a a three piece money. Su He was in a jumpsuit and Tamara got into a new line of work at some point. She recognize that her assets. You know visual visual. Uh Tamara and Tara's had a baby girl but they are already beginning to drift apart. They broke up and to something else and <hes> over a series of knots. <hes> became involved. They time shoes. Hey Crime town listeners. I'm rob one of the crime town. Producers are team spent a year investigating crime and political corruption in Detroit to make season two and let me tell you the I'm Gary Brown versus the city of Detroit Tamara Green. She is known her dancing name. Strawberry in Detroit a huge development. She's want to be a nurse going to school to forgive pre requisites end for nursing in China <hes> <hes> boys to men type of event somewhere. This is terraced Jackson. He met American in the late nineties. I think some some guy was harassed or something like that and I totally along. You know she's obviously gorgeous. <hes> that thing. I invited assets could be a potential tool to help her modest circumstances and she progressed into you know dancing and doing work part-time different places along that line to try to make a better life no but time she'd become upbringing with our daughter. The manoukian mansion scandal involving a stripper who later wound up dead after this young lady Got Keel. The News is chasing me out the she started having a taste for hanging with guys who earned the streets element. She dated drug dealers a lot of guys. You know the things on that line and start making a lot of money doing that. Call me on occasion if she had an issue with the various men and I would speak to her as a father that this needed to be a face to face meeting. If it's if it's that serious we need to meet at a neutral place just in case. She was followed a up had changed. Maria stop being drug dealers more towards <hes> the officials or whatever like that because I could see through ten of off the final call. She called me and said we need to talk. I could tell that there was trauma. There was trauma there and and listen I could discern that <hes> she was afraid she didn't really let me know other than to say that she felt that her her life was in danger. I'm afraid I'm afraid then. I stopped it right there. I said well your mother is the city officials. <hes> soon enough to marry started dancing at high end private parties and she became better taff. You never know what could happen. TAMMY would call a safe place and so we met at a Bible Bookstore Grand River in Greenfield and there we we talk and I look in her eyes. This is Michael Kerns a retired E._M._S. Lieutenant in Detroit. He's a little hard to understand because he had a stroke a few years ago. He's out of state. You need to go right away even then I didn't know how grave the situation loss <music> all these were there said Kwami and his cronies were there. I mentioned the mayor's way. Yes other words speak to his daughter regarding how to handle him again. Pastor Ken Hampton the last couple of weeks of our life. The car you guys has suits only start thinking about was this guy who was that guy and why didn't you tell more people afraid afraid of what can hit connect who else going to medic twelve which is Jefferson hurt article for counter better known as strawberry the question so she got hit kerns saying she told us she was dancing at a party at the Manooghian and she got hit qualities cronies. What does she say she curly hit. Her current says he waited there until two plainclothes. Officers arrived with the events. Did you tell anybody at that time what would happen. Here's your partners she every glimpse and did she tell you her name. tammie green new ways fish placed pick-up some rice rampart. Whatever meal was probably about ten o'clock at night that day. She's asleep picker from my place tomorrow would visit terrace in their daughter and after a while he began noticing that the guys picking in my bed turn on a new era green finished her shift at all stars Topless Club and hooked up with her boyfriend Green <music> one night a few weeks later to marriage ex-boyfriend terrace was with their daughter Ashley. S._N._I.'s stopped at a with an ambulance. You remember the last thing she said you stints. Thank you son help now. She had green was driving. She pulled up here right across the street from the rental property. I don't know if it was pictures of the currency with the car or the name with current says he responded to a call from a gas station. A woman had been assaulted over. I was on she Tom Banu. It was her is. I don't know what's say or do you don't WanNa believe in then so you arrive. There's this woman standing on a payphone seven. Mike would destroy us. Are you Christmas hello and she told us so shoes danced party and Doc Chimera Green guided the C. I waited mm-hmm pain. Green was hit the car still and Dr rolled across outer drive and came to rest in the middle of the next block dealer. He was in the passenger seat that night but he survived. There was a female chat kill fusion by who was in to how do you tell it to I didn't I didn't know what to say. <hes> two thousand three at first. Detroit police had assumed that Tamara was the unintended victim of a drive by shooting her boyfriend at the time was a known drug and then I looked at him and I looked at the the gentleman with him. It was obvious bodyguard. I thought to myself now who comes to a funeral lieutenant named Alvin Bowman. One of the sergeants came to me and informed me verbally that this person when the sergeant brought me the case file evidence was missing reports service. Pastor Hampton stood by as the guests paid their respects. I was standing comforting front of the casket with her mother being in a wheelchair Brinda. I have two cameras running. We're taping everything. She could hardly sit still code that that I know to marine was the hundred and thirteenth person murdered in Detroit in two <hes> so they give you buddy butterfat classes every all the time be quiet. We're running tapes and we'll turn those tapes and the proper sources. Kennedy a forty caliber bullet the same caliber used in the Glock pistols issued to Detroit police officers blacks were not popular during that time may have had some ties at a party that involve the mayor and I started bring me the file now go over and that's what I did domicied into the assistant chief of police because I just assume that the police will do their job and I think it's was missing and they were all stored in a general area where it was assessable anybody that worked there. Most people in Detroit used like Smith and Wesson nine millimeter <hes> a coat nine millimeter. There was another thing that piece Lieutenant Bowman's interest tomorrow was killed by uh near a lot of this bureaus of their peers were present to marry. Green's funeral was held at grace it with bullets her body car. That's the substance of it in a nutshell eventually to marines case came across the desk of a Homicide Bible Chapel Pastor. Ken Hampton led the service. You remember what versus you quoted so many verses Mark Aw with a bodyguard except someone has something know something or been involved in something with this matter concede their life forces come out of them. You know Souza's crushed Santa Claus die. You see life. Come out of a key say some in you would've never done this to hurry after the service Mark Eight thirty six what Chile profit man if he gains the world and loses so so what if you gain the whole world even if you did the so what does that tell you they were missing. I couldn't point to who did it. Because of the accessibility ruger something like that the jury the blacks in his town were issued by the police depart and Brenda said past Hampton passed and that's one of the guys that just beat me up. I said shoot quiet three days until our daughter would have happened because why not want the question. Make sure that there's no confusion alone. So what difference does that make when you die here because Lieutenant Bowman also believed there were inconsistencies in the number of shell casings recovered at the scene twelve were recovered officers were saying that they were more more than twelve showcases can fly almost anywhere we would not have known if every single one on the shell casings were recovered everything and then reloaded this led lieutenant bowman to believe that the killers were targeting Tamara Green and that they had fired so many times to make sure they finish the job a clip one in the chamber so you got fifteen so some people are saying well with the number shell casings. They had to have discharged nefarious this episode of crime town. You can secure your house apartment or business with protection. You can trust to get started. Good at simplisafe dot com slash crime town that simplisafe dot com old is named Teddy. He's super cute. He's pretty good sleeper but he sleeps seven P._M. To Six A._M. Some early riser these days so it's very important case. Lieutenant Bowman started telling his colleagues about his suspicions and then this happened when Serge's called me on. How owning dummies do you want to give him a shot. I'll try anything few hours of extra sleep. If you're also looking for some help falling asleep give nature made melatonin dummies at try to learn more. I like having your own personal security guard. You can even control your system from your phone. You can check in on your home. Whenever wherever with simply safe town is brought to you by simply safe simplisafe is an award winning home security system. That's designed to keep your home safe. simplisafe uses video audio and motion sensors formation out of if <hes> if you're not part of the team so I felt that <hes> the interest was not in solving the case to detect intruders with their precision engineered motion sensors they can detect the unique heat signature of humans. You won't be getting any false. Alarms from dogs cats squirrels and he suspected that the killers may have been cops. Cops are tight group to break their hard to really drive or push to get information. Go to nature made DOT COM. Hey Crime town listeners. This is rob and this is John Produces of crime town and you're listening to crime down season slash crime town. This episode of crime town is brought to you by nature made. If you're anything like US crime town producers you could probably use a few more hours of sleep. It's pretty and more importantly why the mayor of it seemed incredible to be sure but there were all too many coincidences for this not to be achieve called and said you were transfer. You know it was about that case as it yeah yeah. I had to pack up everything clean my best out lieutenant L Bowman up thirty one year veteran was pulled out of homicide and put on a midnight shift at the second precinct. I was informed the very first season to put a lot into investigating Detroit's complicated relationship with crime and political corruption and our reporting took us places. We didn't expect very late in the studio right now and here's one of our hosts Zach. I heard your sleep kind of tricky lately. <hes> what's going on. <hes> I have a young son who's twenty months old in fact there was that one time John that you had that particularly tense meeting scheduled with a local legend kind of in Detroit right and he was really difficult into is available right now on spotify listen to how it all turned out go to crime town dot V._I._p. Where you can listen to spotify APP or on your desktop important for me around ten ten thirty get to sleep the only time I'm GonNa get well so I have something that might be able to help a little bit Zach. These are some nature made Melatonin Sir <hes>. You've been try answering so what I don't know what happened. In the executive deputy the green family. We're interested in getting answers answers that the mayor has seen to the family of tomorrow's ranging tonight our quest to find out who killed Tammie Green Lieutenant Bowman concluded that the number of shell casings at the scene was closer to eighteen a glacken hove fourteen rounds in well because he was always bisciste that we were the F._B._i. Or cops or that we met him harm in some way and he had a lot of secrets that he just uh it's easy to suggest that this is all. I didn't want to share with anyone right but he had agreed to meet at his house in his lair and like you showed up and you were just sorta like it someone's home but it all worked up fun in the end yeah at all like that but you don't have to go outside your comfort zone to hear. Detroit's best crime stories all of crime town season first day that apparently I have been asking too many questions about strawberry case Germany when you to our guests this morning on flashpoint thanks for coming. Thanks for having been done. Let's start with a few years later attorney. Who you heard at the top of the show began representing to marry. It was a little nerve wracking because you're like. I don't know how this guy's GonNa react because you've said you said if you if you mess up you slip up we're going to get you which is not the kind of thing you want to hear before you go into urban legend as it's been called but there's a lot of things you can't run away from from the time he took on the Tamara Green Case Attorney Norman you. Touma had his doubts about the official narrative of her murder. Tammy was killed. There's no arguing that she was shot repeatedly by forty caliber weapon. There's no getting around the fact that this happened so in testimony the magistrate Judge Waylon issues a scathing opinion destroying this city Detroit end their lawyers for they're clear and obvious destruction of evidence sanctions them for something you approaching two hundred thousand dollars before the ink is dry on whether this will go to trial back you guys so after discovery after depositions after all these affidavit after all this sworn magistrate. Whelan's order sanctioning the city for Destroying Evidence Judge Rosen than dismisses the case for lack of evidence the toomas looking for some smoking guns in the form of emails from one Kwami Kilpatrick he hopes can shed some light on the way the handle that murder investigation back in two thousand three in two thousand ten youtube began to Subpoena City Hall insiders. That's when he deposed collation. Its Humus suspects. The computer and the records were destroyed deliberately. He wants the judge to order sanctions against the city Detroit. Fasten your seatbelts under the alias of a Detroit police officer who also had a job as a dancer and together with the testimony of nine different folks on the Detroit's payroll if became clear to US leded out of the inbox and then deleted out of the delete folder so with significant intent. Everyone tried to remove any trace of any communication or file related destroying evidence the other mouthpiece dismisses our case for lack of evidence lack of evidence that his magistrate just sanction them for Party Youtube have found a few witnesses who thought they knew why Tim you all timidly ended up being admitted to the hospital <music> the very same court speaking through two different mouthpieces one of them sanctioned to city for willfully destroying <music> incredible now one hundred and two pages handed down late this afternoon telling the children of Dancer Tamara Green that there will be no trial now in one of the first thing we did of course was compile our discovery we may document requests for all of the information that we subsequently found out was destroyed or missing without explanation so all that remains now is who so you. Touma started digging for evidence attorney norm you hearing from all the lawyers. The judge said there's some tough legal issues here. He's got a lot to think about and it's going to be some time. Maybe days weeks or even months before. A decision comes down if this is just a random drug shooting. Why is the mayor so engaged in covering this up. Why are they such such a vested interest destroying. It was the final nail in the coffin on this investigation. Why kwami kilpatrick deleted emails were routinely purged from the city of Detroit's computer server after seven days. They're gone forever and they were all missing. They were deleted. That's all we had left for witnesses. Sworn testimony you to begin to collect sworn statements he interviewed people like Lieutenant Albumin and the Tammie Green's assault or her murder. Only it became clear to us. We couldn't get any documents. Everything is inexplicably gone. Including even the computers themselves have been thrown away emails had been deleted. We were just getting too close. The thing is there's someone else who's who's also spent a lot of time investigating this case who doesn't quite see things the way. Norman you to me does is just a Lotta Bullshit. This is Detroit. This is not Hollywood a supervisor Michael Kerns and although there was no record of anyone named Tamara Green being admitted to the hospital in the fall of two thousand to around the time of the rumored Manooghian Mansion Tryst Wise Kamikaze Patrick working so hard to keep boss or anybody else from finding out who killed Tammie Green only because they've got something to hide kwami Kilpatrick who arrived at the courthouse from prison he also subpoenaed commies Father Bernard Kilpatrick. There's no reason for me to be here. And what would you say to people that Detroit about us that she was taken to the hospital admitted under a false name. Everybody was cleared out of the hospital. Records were destroyed any sort of party and the murder of the nothing. There's no there's no there was no party absolutely was no park. My son is in jail for absolute flip onto for Adamson six. He's he's in jail for. There's a lot of hate out here. At the end of the day after the now became a member in two thousand eight detective Carlisle and a cold case squad reopened the Tamara Green murder case this is retired Detroit. Police Detective Might Carlisle you mentioned briefly in a previous episode Detroit. Police Department oxide section decided to form a cold case what this is a true detective. Carlisle interviewed people like Michael Kerns the supervisor and decided their testimony wasn't credible his was one of the ones that were not useful <unk> each folder while was relevant what was useful and what was not useful anymore this rumor. This is a rower. This is a true this parts through this collected. This didn't occur in a house run. The grass and the lawn earn a wooded area. This occurred on a paved street. Casings were collected casings. Were there on the street perspective. You know if sometimes people can see the same thing but in different ways three there were twelve if he can prove there is eighteen. I'd like to shake his hand but he's not going to because he doesn't have the proof I mean and where Lieutenant Bowman get the idea that more than twelve bullets had been fired so I don't remember exactly <hes> and you could be watching the football game sitting right next to each other. You're going to see one thing from your perspective and you're going to see some now from your also develops doubts about the original investigators. I don't understand their reasonings but for whatever reason they snowballed on investigation they slow to a crawl and really didn't do casings had the glock imprint on them okay. There's a lab report. Obviously Bovina read it. They were able to determine on the casing by the one key piece of evidence in the file was the ballistics report. Remember to Mara's killer had used a forty will he describes a completely different woman and Tamara Green. You've tried to interview people on a case. That's fifteen years old. There's been so many theories put in the newspaper on TV. People are going to be slow mixed up about what the actual facts are and detective Carlisle also Asia for Glock yeah they they would have had to yeah and he also said that the casings mm-hmm. Detective Carlisle is convinced that Americans murder had nothing to do with kwami kilpatrick or a <music>. I was in <hes> what they call. S Squads special assignment squad. We were the top I'm aside squad for. You're saying some of your officers were saying when they went to the scene. Initially they saw something like eighteen shelf facings but then by the time they were bagging tag actor and that's only if our lease on that they were forty caliber. Yes that's correct but they were not from a Glock manufactured handgun <hes> well. I read that you you you. Ed's made a statement about sixteen eighteen. Shell casings or something so anything on this investigation. What did you make of those claims of missing evidence. They were completely false completely false. You're assigned so the first thing I did took the entire file all the information and all those files started going through but he wasn't it turns out though that detective Carlisle does believe there's some truth to the rumor about a party at the manoogin mansion in the fall of two thousand two caliber weapon because Detroit police used forty caliber glocks Lieutenant Bowman suspected the killer may have been a cop well because if you look at the showcasing on party at the mayor's mansion instead he believes the intended target was her boyfriend a drug dealer who is in the car with her at the time the Mara Green the bottom line. There's only twelve no nobody's really doing it. Real count twelve casings were collected bag. Bill had their signature on it and it'll say forty it'll save forty caliber and GLAC would have like like achieve I to squad you have access to every homicide foul that dates back two days during prohibition. They're still on file. Okay all right the city Detroit. I left <hes> work one night route seventy. Even I got a call from my achieve the mets for Black Smith and Wesson you look at the bottom of the shell casing of Assay S&W so these shelf facings have the I sergeant my squad leader Special Science Squad and say listen. We gotta run to the mayor's mansion. We've got an officer injured. I think it a firing pin imprint that was not fired from the lab board states that this the forty caliber casings are not from Glock is from another manufacturer. Mine was in the wrong place at the wrong time. That's all this comes down to f the mayor was involved at <unk> pair handcuffs on that man for what he did to the Detroit wait to <hes> the mayor's mansion on the riverfront of the Detroit River. I got a call surging and he goes. We've been canceled. He says you can turn around. I said what was it about. He goes don't worry about was just a gathering of just a few for instance and things got out of control. Whatever I don't know what the circumstances are to like get to the scene well halfway. They're designed to support your sleep so you can wake up ready to take on the day to learn more go to nature made dot com years later. Detective Carlisle began investigating two Marines murder and he came to suspect that there was an exotic dancer who performed at the events additional mixing by Bobby Lord our theme song is politicians in my eyes by death our credit music. This week is nasty ain't it by fat cat signed by James Cabrera andalise Harvard. 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We're trying while Mary Wallace Elizabeth Clements Max White Randy Lundquist Eric Hetherington at Dandy Video Charlie off Devon's Gillian Melissa Sampson Kilpatrick had weathered allegations that he was involved in a murder so what was next just after six o'clock this morning Detroit's former and <hes> it the rumours spread from there the media exploited that and it just it just went out of control and that's all it was third Pontiac and marks Merlin fact checking by Jennifer Blackman. This episode was mixed sound design and scored by Kenny Kuzak original Manooghian mansion and got injured but it wasn't Tamara Green up a two and two together able to find out that the officer that was injured at the museum. Uh No one has ever been prosecuted for the killing of Tamara Green. Detective Carlisle has a suspect but not enough evidence for an indictment the rumors surrounding tomorrow's or on your desktop. 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Ep 139: How to Use Compassionate Curiosity to Find Confidence in Conflict with Kwame Christian

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Ep 139: How to Use Compassionate Curiosity to Find Confidence in Conflict with Kwame Christian

"Are you a business owner or entrepreneur looking to take your business skills to the next level? Then you're in the right lice welcome to the enterprise now show. Prepare to be inspired motivated and transform. And now your host El Z, Flint aren't changing, and I get. Oh, yeah. What's up enterprise? Irs. Welcome to episode one thirty nine of the enterprise now podcast where we educate motivate inspire and transform business owners and entrepreneurs into success. That is what we do. We help folks launch grow and maximize how to use compassionate curiosity to find confidence in conflict with Kwami Christian Kwami is the director of the American negotiation institute where he conducts negoti. Creation and conflict management, workshops around the country. He is the author of the bestselling book, nobody will play with me. Kwami also host of top negotiation podcast in the world, negotiate anything. All right. Let's again. All right. Kwami can I get? Oh, yeah. Oh year. Perfecto first of all, sir. Let me say thank you for taking the time out to talk with us. It is early Saturday morning at the time of this conversation. So I appreciate you taking the time out to share your experience and knowledge with the enterprises. Oh man. It's my pleasure. Thanks for having me, not a problem. The second question I'd like to ask for you to tell us about yourself. Now Kwami when I say, tell us about about yourself fill free to go all the way back to the very first day, it all started, or you can start more current day. Tell us about your soon. All right. So I'll start more current in than I'll let you do the deep dive with your question than I'll follow your lead. So I'm a I'm a business lawyer by trade. But my passion is a is in psychology in helping people overcome their fears as it comes to difficult conversations. So I studied psychology that was my undergrad degree. And then I went through lost woman got master of policy and practice law for a few years. But now I'm the director of the American Goshi Asian Institute, and I put on workshops around the country that teach people, how to negotiate and manage conflict more effectively. Got it now. Are you born arranged warrant and raised in Columbus or did you land there for for school landed there for school? I grew up in small town called tip in Ohio. Born in New Jersey spent three good years there, then moved my family's from the Caribbean. So I'm first generation Caribbean of American. Awesome. Tell us about that. How is that because a lot of times being being first generation comes with this own set of opportunities and talents. So talk about that a little bit. Yeah. Really added to my, my experience growing up played a pretty important role on so growing up in tipping, Ohio. It's a very small town in Ohio, not much versity. So I would incredibly unique, so there was that many black people in the city in I was on top of that very different because I had this strong Carribean accent. Now, I know how to turn it off and on when a when necessary, but it being that different growing up. Taught me a few things about myself in human. Interaction I think the overall Ben it was beneficial because now I can connect with almost anybody got. So I'd like to have a little bit deeper into that. So talk. A little bit about. So we're talking about challenges, and how sometimes sounds are actually Evan, Evan Tagesspiegel because they allow you to, to have to adjust and adapt. Dig into that a little bit more. How has that skill set helped you get to where you are now? Yeah, it was actually the inspiration for my book called, nobody will play with me. So it's a book on negotiation on compliment, but my idea that everybody has psychological or emotional barrier. That makes it hard for them to engage in difficult conversations. So I share my story, and I remember very clearly this time in first grade when I was playing on the playground, and nobody would play with me. So I went to one group of friends tried to offer them. They said, no one to another group of friends play with them. They said no men onto a third group. Same thing happened, and I was devastated. And I just went into the. To the to the school and just cried and cried and cried. And I made a decision that day that no matter what happens. People are going to likely so I'm gonna be that friend to everybody and be very popular. So I went on a friendship offensive really just started trying to be as friendly as possible. So by the end of the school by the end of my time in grade school in high school, I was the most popular kid in school. So it seems like success, but it came with a price, because it made me hesitant to engage in difficult conversations because I said, I worked too hard to get these friends and I'm not going to do anything that would jeopardize those relationships. So in my adulthood, that's something that I have overcome when it came to my ability to engage in difficult conversations. So I walked people through in my book, how they can overcome it and how I've overcome it. So the goal with all of it is to help people to. To be their best selves and live their, their best lives got it fascinating. It's amazing. How those moments in life can change the trajectory of our lives. Right. Has decided that day to clam up to go into a shell and to be become a victim, and who knows what you would have become. Exactly exactly these turning points. You know, you have these decision that you could make. And I think in in my case, it was a pretty positive decision. But oftentimes behind everybody's greatest strength. You see their greatest weekends hides. And then there was a cost to it. So it was a decent strategy. But I didn't recognize the cost that came along with it, but I think that demonstrates the importance of self awareness to be able to have that introspection recognize where your performance gaps lie. So you can make the necessary adjustments to keep on moving forward and improving this really good point. You talk about self awareness dig into that a little bit more how, how important is being self aware. It's critical. It think it's one of the most important things that we can do as we if we want to develop. So one of the reasons why software can be so difficult is the fact that it's uncomfortable doing going through the active introspection put you in a place because sometimes you confronted with things about yourself that you don't really like. And so the question is, first of all, are you going to be brave enough courageous enough to take that step to do the intersection? And then if you are, are you going to be brave enough and courageous enough to actually do something about it. And confront that part of yourself that you don't really like that much and make those changes. So when it comes to development, moving or progressing, personally, or professionally, I think so awareness is one of the most critical elements in your development. Yeah. I made the mistake of, of doing that exercise and actually wrote it down. And I got to the end of the long list, and I'm like, okay. Wow. We have a lot of work to do. Right. Right. But then it's, it's exciting. It's a it's scary and exciting at the same time, because once you're willing to say the you know, I'm not that good. Where I can improve then you can make those improvements in it's exciting to kind of stopping ask yourself if I'm able to make these improvements. What kind of man will become what kind of woman would have become who am? I really can. I be. And if you're able to and willing to take those steps, it's gonna be exciting because you discover things about yourself that you didn't know before, and you can start to mold yourself in the person, you want to be absolutely. So kind of feeding off of that we're talking about Bank self-aware and kind of using that as a as a tool to overcome challenges. Give us a couple of hints on how you overcome challenges. I'm very competitive very competitive. And for me I think about it in almost like a game. So in business, I try to set goals for myself. See if I can reach it in in my personal life goals for myself and see if I can reach it. I always want to try to move forward. And so every challenge that I face, I don't see it as a anything personal or something scary. I now see it as exciting because I want what's on the other side, and one of the most important things than it had the learning. This is a recent development is appreciating the journey in the process of development because that's exciting. When you really sit down and think about it wing about the process of getting better incrementally better every day that in itself is exciting. If you only focus on the end goal, then you're, you're missing out on the beauty of the every day, so recognize. Ising the enjoyment that comes along with the journey has actually made me better when it comes to reaching these goals in approaching challenges because it doesn't seem as daunting when you're enjoying it when you're joined the process, you have a lot more energy to afford to the process that my friend is what I call a golden nugget. There are several nuggets in there. Enjoy the beauty of the day. Appreciate the journey in the process. Always move forward. Thank you so much for those nuggets, my pleasure. So what if you had to give let's see one or two be those top two keys to success? First of all, clarity needs to be you need to have clarity. And so clearly in what first of all, you have to have clarity in what your passion is and clarity in what you want to have out of life. And I think sometimes when it comes to the idea of clarity, we get a bit too rigid because we say, all right, I want this that, and the other. So, for instance, somebody might say, I want this specific car. I want this Porsche, I want this title, I want this job that type of thing, but instead of focusing on specifically, what it is in a concrete fashion that you want. You should ask yourself, what is the emotion or feeling that I'm going for because sometimes if you go for that concrete thing, that's considered car, that's civic title? That's Pacific salary. You can get that instill field, ultimately unfulfilled, and that's a horrible place to be because he dedicated years of your life into accomplish to accomplishing this one thing then you get it, and you don't feel. That thing. And so, I think a lot of people don't recognize what they're going isn't a specific thing. It's a specific feeling. And so once you recognize that feeling that you're going for you backtrack from there. That's the first thing you need to do. Then the next thing you need to do ease get out of your head and started at executing. And so I, I must strategist at heart a really love sitting down creating strategies whether it's negotiation strategy conflict management strategy business strategy. I love playing chess chess strategy a lovely analysis. That's really exciting for me. But I realize that a lot of people who are very intellectual. The problem is they stay in the hypothetical too much, and they don't experiment. We think about the process of experimentation is not just sitting down coming up with policies need to test them in the real world. We test them by taking action, and so for me with a lot of these cities that I make I am starting to get more bias towards action. So I set a specific time limit. On strategy. And so it might be strategy for the day of set my timer. For five minutes would create a strategy for the day. Then execute that's it three minutes five minutes, whatever it is, than execute if it's coming up with a business strategy for the next quarter necks, six weeks, or whatever it is gay. I'm going to come up with a strategy and by the end of this day I will have concrete strategy execution. And then after that, it's just executing. And the thing is once you begin executing you start to gather information that you could not otherwise access through simply strategizing thinking through it because the best information lies in the real world and you don't get it. If you don't ex-. So that's why start focusing heavily on. Wow. That is this stuff von, quote, that came to mind when you're talking about clarity in which a passionate is clarity, clarity around, what you're what I what I interpret as your wife. Barack Obama says something. It was relatively recently that kind of shift at something in my in my mind and save focused on what you wanna do not on what you wanna be, and I thought about that. And I'm like, you know, you ever have one of those moments where it makes sense, but then when he says, when he said it, I'm like, okay, yeah that's, that's very true. He he nailed it. So I think that's very similar to what you're what you're talking about is, is, you know, I don't you don't wanna grow up to be a police officer, you wanna help people where you wanna protect people. And so you, you really want to focus on what you wanna do now, which wanna be so. Exactly. So as a segue, which is probably mine. But if you could meet anyone in the world who would it be? And what would you say to them? And my answer. I guarantee nobody on your show has given this answer. All right. The person that I wanna meet is Kwami in ten years Kwami at age forty. I wanna talk to that guy because he knows more about me than anybody else in the world. So his advice that he can give me is going to be a lot more specialized. And so that's a lot more information. So I think about if I at age thirty now could go back and talk, the Quami at age twenty what would I tell him, and then what changes would suggest that he'd make? And think about the if if that were to then execute on that strategy, while my life, different. And so, I would wanna have that opportunity Kwami ten years. Tell me what you see tell me what you would do, and then I'll do that. So what would you tell the twenty year old Kwami? Would I would tell him is to focus more on catching that feeling because Kwami daddy was very, very rigid? In terms of what he wanted to achieve, and. Very of traditional in what he thought success was in. So now I have a better understanding. Why got going for that feeling that's what I would go for and focusing on that? And so, like I said my background is in psychology a, my, my degree is in psychology. But then I got two degrees in law on public policy. I would've gone a little bit deeper on the psychology because that's really where my interest lies and focused on that. And so, I think I would have been a lot more in better psychological state during the grind than, than I was because sometimes it was, it was just completely unpleasant. Through it. And that's why I'm so why on the journey is so important for me now because I realize I missed out on a lot of happiness and enjoyment. Just because I was just strictly type a focused on the goal. Gotcha. So I've always wondered what I would tell my future, self or past self. And I don't know that I it sounds like you're in the same boat. I don't know if I would give a lot of detail on, specifically don't do this, or specifically do that. I think I would more like you said, just give that perspective because I feel like as you grow older, you get more fine. Tune in deeper into with perspective, what that means in, in life in general. Because obviously, as you get older, you start to realize, hey, this thing is going to come to an end one day, and I would make sure that I'm giving everything I have because you only get to do at one time. So I think that's what I would tell my younger self is just to understand perspective. And, and as you alluded to enjoy the journey, because it's been a fantastic one lots of good, lots of bad, but it's. All made us who we are today. So very cool. Definitely. Yeah. And if I were to give one concrete thing, it would be to read more books, because of big part of the journey is, is learning and developing for yourself and over the past couple years. I've been reading a book per week. And I, I judge how, how good the book was by how stupid, I think I used to be a week ago. And so sometimes I finished the book and I say to myself, how could I have lived without this knowledge? That's insane. This is incredible information. And I think about just how much I developed week to week because I'm listening to the world's greatest minds, who put their best thoughts into book form. And so if I can accelerate that and say, yes Kwami, it's nice. You're getting all these degrees, but you can be more proactive and involved in your learning experience, by picking your content and reading more books. That would be that would have been huge because the learning becomes exponential Gada got it now. So we've learned a lot about you. We learned that you have about twelve degrees. I very good. We learned a lot about your, your friendship offensive in how you came to be, who you are tells about business. What do you do? To the businesses called the American negotiatied institute that I put on workshops around the country on the Goshi and conflict management. And I'm going to start doing a few online courses as well. And so, the goal is to continue to build the audience have a podcast called negotiate anything, it's the top rank negotiation podcast in the world. And so continuing to build that audience, and then eventually getting to where I can scale the business and hire trainers to train people using the curriculum that I've created. Awesome, awesome. So as we wrap up this fantastic conversation we were talking before we hit record here about how flying into Columbus. And we're sitting down having a Cup of coffee at this point. Starbucks is starting to tell us that we need to wrap to wrap things that either buy something or leave. But if you. If you could give the enterprise IRS in actionable tip that would improve their business today. Overby. I would say simply put read educate yourself. That's it and experiment. So it's learn in than experiment. 'cause a lot of times we get this. We get this knowledge and we're trying to keep on acquiring all this knowledge we might listen to podcasts. Go to trainings go to conferences, and we keep on acquiring arming acquiring this knowledge, but essentially we become hoarders. We're not doing anything with stays in our in our minds basement gathering dust. And so as you, acquire new information, it doesn't do anything, if that information doesn't change you as a person and change your business, and the only way changes by taking action some awesome. So if people want to learn even more about you, what you do or want to reach out to ask you a question. How can they do that? Yeah. Best place to catch me on link thin. So every week produce too. Three videos, giving just a bunch of free content. Also, the podcast, negotiate anything as well. But my goal list to teach the skill to as many people as possible. So connecting with me on link give you access to all of those, those free videos and the Luchino when the passer up to awesome, awesome. Well, thank you so much for sharing your experience and knowledge with the enterprises my pleasure. Thanks for the invite enterprise IRS. If you got value from that, awesome conversation, let the world know, by subscribing, and leaving review on your favorite podcast app that helps us know that we're bringing you golden nugget, feel conversations with the most inspirational business owners reach out to me directly at f- Lanark at enterprise dash now dot biz with any feedback or questions for me or any of my guests. Also, don't forget to check out the enterprises. Elite club for thought leaders that want to learn how to leverage podcasting to launch grow in maximize their business head on over the WWW dot enterprise dash now dot biz slash enterprises. To learn more. Thanks again folks, and we'll talk with you guys next week.

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S2 E12: Fake News

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38:26 min | 1 year ago

S2 E12: Fake News

"Hey Crime town listeners. We hope you're enjoying season two. We'll be dropping a new episode down this feed each week but if you're ready to hear all the episodes right now you can on spotify. Don't wait go to crime town dot V._I._p.. Slash Binge where you can listen to all all of it right now in the spotify APP or on your desktop. I had not eligible evidence that my dad killed anyone. April Bellagio did have was a feeling let me ask you. How many people do you know that have been murdered well everywhere? I want people that we knew associated with Rabin murdered in my dad talked about it or got involved in it we try to make sense of April's past the clearing from Pineapple Street Media in association with Gimblett <music> premiers July eighteenth on spotify. Wherever you get your podcasts we started to then hear these rumors one of the rumors with the rumor the party this is Heather Cattalo an investigative reporter for W X._Y._Z.? The in Detroit and in her line of work she heard a lot of stories about Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick and we all heard it for months and months and months that this crazy thing had happened at the Manooghian and the Carlita was there and there is a stripper and everyone's chasing this story but nobody could prove it. The big thing occurred when he fired Gary Brown Gerry Brown was the head of internal affairs and he served on the police department for over two decades so it raised eyebrows when he was fired out of the blue. Everyone was just going what why why did the mayor let go. The person who's in charge of investigating instigating the cops. There was a a memo that got leaked out that showed that Brown was starting to investigate a number of different things including these allegations about this party that may or may not have happened and so he started to work on it and the mayor fired him and this uproar starts of what just happened. kwami is nowhere to be found. We can't get an answer from the mayor's office about where he is. Will he explain why he did what he did. <hes> it's just not he's not talking to reporters and so we found out that he was taking off for DC heather and her camera crew flew down to Washington D._C.. They met Kwami in the lobby of his hotel and confronted him about firing Gary Brown. Please expand ban on that for our viewers. I am so anxious to talk to the citizens of the city of Detroit about this <hes> when I come home we'll make a formal statement. It'll be either be tomorrow evening or on Friday. During the day you know there's been several things done <hes> by Mr Brown <hes> without my knowledge. I don't have any knowledge of what goes on over there and still don't you have been very adamant that there was no party. How can you be so sure? Is it possible that members of your staff that these things happened and you just didn't know about it as far as the party. That's the most ridiculous thing in the world. This room has been swirling around the city of Detroit for months and it's ridiculous to think the kwami Kilpatrick would do something like that I mean I I'm not typical of the traditional rumors that you hear about a thirty two year old black man. I'm not dumb <hes> I don't sell drugs or use them <hes> I don't whore around on my wife and I don't have wicked new parties at my house and that's ridiculous and the God I serve knows that and I can't wake truth comes out thank you and he walked away with his bodyguards and got onto the elevator and that was the end of the relationship between the mayor and the process just continue to deteriorate and it just got worse and worse from there I think at that point we knew about the navigator we now oh no that the mayor had fired the head of internal affairs who was following up on allegations against the mayor essentially and it just started to look like this is going to get really ugly and it did last episode we told you about how kwami Kilpatrick started running into trouble over his personal style his spending habits and a rumor about a wild party at the Manooghian mansion the mayor's official residence today on the show as more and more scandals pile up kwami fights for his political life John Advantage. I'm John White Welcome to crime town. It's been argued that we've elected to nations. I hip hop mayor Kwame Kilpatrick so the rumor was that kwami Kilpatrick had some sort of Bachelor party type event at the manoogin mansion and that there were strippers uh Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick hopes he's putting all the rumors and allegations of wrongdoing to rest in May two thousand three the day after the Catala confronted kwami Kilpatrick the mayor flew back to Detroit he called a press conference on the steps of the Manooghian mansion to address the scandal. I WANNA stand here until the citizens of the city of Detroit they kwami Kilpatrick has absolutely nothing to hide about any of these allegations I think and feel very strongly that an independent evaluation or investigation needs to be done on all of these allegations so. So the next time that someone disgruntle and starts to say anything you all won't take it as true and with that surrounded by family and friends and appointees the city's youngest mayor talked about the allegations that have rocked his administration the the most serious that there was a wild party at the Manooghian mansion with new dancers and his wife walk in it never happened it never happened it never happened and there are some you try it again and again to dismiss missed the rumour of a wild party at the mayor's residence but it just wouldn't go away and not only that right around this time something happened that was about to make the rumor much much worse. This was a typical drive by shooting. This is my Carlisle I Detroit homicide. Detective on April thirtieth two thousand three a woman named Tamara Green who worked as an exotic dancer was finishing up her shift at a strip club squatting Tamara Green. She is known her dancing namer street name was strawberry. She had finished answering the bar closed at two A._M.. After Work Tamara Green went to pick up her boyfriend Eric Mitchell drug dealer known as biggie she picked him up. She's driving over to the city's westside and a little after four and they're sitting in front of one of his houses and I on the west side of Detroit. She's behind the during will and big Lia sitting in the right front passenger seat big e Eric he looked in front of him at the corner. You've seen a light-colored S._U._V. Turn and start approaching their vehicle had head on and the driver but his left hand while Eric Mitchell is on statement gets try to get down on the floor as the S._U._V. got eh through the driver. This started wearing an apparently emptied a clip of ammunition. She was struck three times. I believe Eric was struck. Twice in the shoulder and the vehicle went down the St the S._U._v. both past Eric Mitchell jumps out of the car and from there he runs up on a porch asking neighbors for help and the police arrive this. You've already gone out of sight <hes> e._M._S.. Give us gets on the scene they barra grain from the vehicle and she's she's basically dead. At the scene <music>. There are a lot of shootings in Detroit but the murder of Tamara Green wouldn't go unnoticed. Thanks to one particular detail. The lieutenant charges squad eight had made a remark the caliber bullets that had killed her. We're forty caliber bullets and he made remarkable. You know Detroit Police Carry Glock forty caliber weapons. Well here you go. The media started. A frenzy again claims that strippers went to the mayor's mansion for a party for funding Johny Kilpatrick that the mayor's wife showed up was outraged report. She attacked him assaulted one of the exotic dancers and that one of the dancers at the mansion was Tamara Green a high priced stripper known as strawberry. The same woman who months later was murdered in a drive-by live by police now describe that as a hit wild rumors or true story to marry the person supposedly got beat up at the party by the mayor's wife. This is Christine Beatty Kwami chief of staff ultimately she ended up day so then they tried to do this theory theory of all she ended up there because she danced at the Mayor's Party when that thing came up and took on his own life again we had already established that there was no party so to now try to tie this random girl's murder in with you know the Mayor Administration restauration was <unk> to this day. It makes me so angry plummeted hours. It was all horrible time for us. It was a horrible time then after this young lady got Keel. I heard Dan old stripper act. The news was chasing me down calling the murder after that I'm like because I might have busted my foot for this tax. I mean I you. I didn't get any sleep and waking up in the middle of the night doing all kinds of stuff. You know we just trying to sell the snow cut grass fix streets all it at work got swallowed up and this kind of Negro urban legend it was called but it was more than that it was part of the whole process of really demonized and Denver Eighty me and so yeah it definitely hurts depressed the retired wanting to get up outta there in Detroit a huge development in the manooghian mansion scandal involving a stripper who later wound up to that scandal revolves around Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick his wife. We start coming up on time to run again with two thousand five. We had to seriously think about it. I mean it was like I want Outta here. I mean I was very like I'm breaking my neck for what caught on and of course you is. Come back to the people citizens natural survey but is it worth being attacked in this way and I don't remember the exact conversations how we got there. I know the overall thing was we can't go out like this breath. Why can't be to slide song like we owe it to our city and the people that are here to continue this fight in this episode of crime town is brought to you by simplisafe? Simply safe provides award winning home security for less than half of what traditional companies charge you get. Twenty four seven professional monitoring police dispatch to provide continuous protection advanced detection and rapid response plus by using wireless technology simplisafe security systems or practically invisible with sensors designed Zayn. Stay out of your way and unlike traditional wired alarm systems intruders can't shut your security system down just by cutting a Cape so whether you're out shopping on vacation or campaigning to be the Mayor of Detroit you can feel secure secure knowing that simply safe is always on the job learn more about how you can secure your house apartment or business with simplisafe to get started. Go to simplisafe dot com slash crime town. That's simplisafe dot com slash Josh Prime Town. I had not eligible evidence that my dad killed anyone. April Bellagio did have was a feeling let me ask you. How many people do you know that have been murdered well everywhere? I want people that we knew or associated with being murdered. I'm dusting for the last three years. I've been following April trying to make sense of what her father did and what else he may have done. We know for a fact that they're both here here and they're both they're nearly identical Nicole murders occur and he still had his arm raised Mike. He never lowered the gun. It's a true crime story. That's also about our obsession with true crime and the mythic monsters we create my dad was consumed with the Zodiac but I can look you in the eye and tell you he did not kill Jonbenet. He likes that one the clearing a new podcast from Pineapple Street media in association with Gimblett premiers July Eighteenth on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts remember four years ago when I parks were neglected and playground equipment was rusting away. My grandfather lived just one block away from this part when nothing and today I stand in this park field of laughing children and parents pride in our community. This job is personally because I was raised in this city. We're rebuilding our parks because it's time to show our children with standing together can do let's continue standing strong for Detroit in two thousand five despite a first term dominated by a series of scandals Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick decided to run for re election so I actually thought it was a slam doug. I I had a little bit of a of a trump problem. You know I had to really listen to the radio. I thought it was all fake news. kwami was in for a rude awakening in the city of Detroit voters went into the polls for the mayoral primary in that city and Kwami Kilpatrick. The sitting mayor was dealt a pretty harsh blow by Freeman Hendricks Hendrix won by forty six percent. <hes> kilpatrick only had thirty four percent. They were the two top vote-getters this primary so they will meet in the November eighth election of adverse sitting mayor commies opponent was a man named Freeman Hendricks Hendrix was politicians politician a former deputy mayor and chairman the School Board. I know that the incumbent mayor begins with some big advantages but no amount of money and certainly no amount of flash no amount of bling bling. My daughter helped me understand what that mean. No L. Mount of bling bling can fool the voters when the job of leading our city is not getting done. We can have a campaign that Detroit is we'll be proud up one that we know that will bring us a brighter future and one that we know that as much better than fast and it will certainly be better than what we are experiencing right here right now freman even Hendrix had the kind of savvy and personality that just kind of dominated a room lit up a room and so this is Greg Bowen's he was Freeman Hendrix's campaign spokesperson early before and despite both candidates being black black race once again found its way into Detroit's mayoral election the way that it played out was lifespan versus dark skin which would never have been an issue ever anyplace else because black is black and because Freeman in is of mixed race they were able to make an issue of now. Certainly I never heard Kwami. Kilpatrick say you know Freeman as Mulatto or anything like that but the people around him in the message that was pushed out there was that freemen's mother was white and you know he ain't really black it is smart man. <hes> he wasn't very form for candidate. Hey great relationships in the city and when he was a light skinned curly hair and he was like a socially acceptable black man for a lot of people in the white community we can't we can't this glaze over that that that was a huge issue. I had the time yeah the six foot four three. We're going to pound Black Guy <hes> and you had this socially acceptable. <hes> nicer kind of Chandler like may ten and then at the same time to ten greene story erupted on the scene and how was actually being Nkala murderer and so right in the middle of this campaign. You have all of this stuff happening. They're running stories about everything they're bringing those stories the navigator they bring it up stories parties all accounted for yet at the same time you being calling a murder and this guy's raised an incredible amount of money it was a full Corp Press. It was kicked climbing Kilpatrick Outta there at all costs and that full court press according to Kwami it was coming from the media to endorse Freman Hendrix so also collective effort on the part of a lot of people in the city including the choice of media endorsing him both papers to free person the news endorsed. I think it was a challenge immediately. Local op-eds at the time included lines like does anyone really believe this flamboyant thirty four year old man child. Child is the best Detroit can do and he simply believes he can make almost anything be the truth. If he just wants his mouth enough his practice swagger conceals the desperation of demagogue fighting for his life in Time magazine named kwami one of the worst mayors in America but it's time for some offense and as an office of tackle game wait to hit somebody I can't wait. How can you start by telling us your name Adolph Mongo? What do you do fuck with people do how how do you focus people political and media consult put out fires start Fi? If Adolf Mongo's last name sounds familiar it's because he's a brother of Larry and skip Mongo who you met in previous episodes in Detroit it office known as the guy to turn to when you're ready to fight dirty and in the two thousand five election Kwami was getting more and more desperate people start banning. The campaign looked like he was GONNA lose. He kept calling me. Call me one at three o'clock in the morning. My wife grabbed my phone at one a little flip polls like Hallo. I'm lag up like like I got somebody calling me at three o'clock in the border. She says Mayor Dolf. I need you may can you meet with me. I said I don't know I don't know but I went over there. I walked in to the Mayor Office. He did have one book nothing. I say maybe this is the new was happening with the Internet and all this shit I said he he's an attorney attorney. He passed the bar on the first. Try So he's not stupid you pretty smart guy but had no books no newspapers no compute all pictures of him and other folks they don't get they don't get it but eventually it off agreed to work with Kwami and he had an idea and we bought a full page ad in the Michigan Chronicle and the Michigan citizens to black moves favors it off created a newspaper ad featuring an image of black Glenn being lynched during our interview. He pulls it up on his phone. That's five engine is still legal in America describing looking at looking at three young black man blanche with a mob around with all white folks these guys the text read lynching is still legal in America and the most recent victim of media lynching in Detroit is our mayor Kwame Kilpatrick below. There was a list of the so-called media lynch mob complete with names and photos of local journalists people say they don't like negative ass that's B._S.. Yes they love it. This was one of the most racially charged political ads ever in the history of local politics. When it went public it created a national firestorm in this world of nasty negative political Google ads this one may take the K- The ad referring to the media treatment of kwami Kilpatrick who's running for a second term? It's accusing a media lynch mob of unfairly attacking kwami kilpatrick what we wouldn't even make a menacing book club Lynch mob. I don't think this was one of the reporters named in the Ad <hes>. How did you feel to be a part of this this way? By the way I mean it is what it is. It's a racist piece of trash. It's about what you would expect from supporters quarters of that campaign. They've been race baiting since the beginning Wami was calling me said say that what you add please you know gay was scared. I was having a great time yeah no two weeks in two days. That is all it's left before detroiters head to the polls in what everyone frames is a terribly critical election for the city and the head head to head match election day approached kwami appeared on a local talk show not too about the questions there will be no questions about Manooghian mansion rumors the those are the most important things to you in this election. My guess is you've already made up your mind. How would the kilpatrick administration be different in a second term than it was in the I? I hope I've shown <hes> detroiters from the primary today a tremendous amount of maturation and growth. I think people see that in me already but I think I've been a good man. I think I've done some good things I'm ready to be a great mayor. Donau kwami needed to convince Detroit that he could be a great mayor and he got his chance during the debates tonight mayor Kwami Copa The challenger Freeman go head to head so every debate that kwami Freeman head the room was that capacity so we were in a lecture hall at Wayne State University Again Christine Beatty. I think capacity crowd probably was was about maybe three hundred seats or whatever so that was packed people were lying on the walls stood all in the back open spaces. It was packed as the debate kicked off. Freman Hendrix went on the attack U S Workers Bruce to give up pay cuts to give up concessions to give up benefits and so forth if you are partying with the tax payers money and the pain starts at the top the pain Scotch with the mayor taking. Taking a twenty five percent cut the party is over wasn't looking good for one thing. The next question is for free and Hendrix scientists are making a dire prediction the potential for a global flu pandemic that could affect millions of lives around the world that professor was sitting in the front row and he posed the question about you know a pandemic hitting that'd be troy. Are we ready you know what is that look like in terms of preparedness. How would you ensure that we are ready for something like that and any other catastrophe here in Detroit Mr thanks for the question? The health off department here in the city of Detroit like all of our departments are challenged from a budget standpoint and freemen's answer was Ni- gall. We'll have our all of our health clinics together. We'll make sure we have established doctors nurses and as soon as is he said his answer he clapped his little people clapped and the professor. You know said Mr Mayor you know the answer. 'em Quantities respond was not see. This is what I'm talking about. The question was about a pen dimic the hell my opponent talked about going to get some clinics listen Detroit. I want you to listen closely to this debate because you can lob all these things but you have to have people that actually have done things in office. You know this man just asked about a pandemic you understand what a pandemic because if there's a pandemic we have to also have an evacuation plan. We have to have a quarantine plan. We also have to move very aggressively to make sure that I least of these our children children and our seniors are provided with water are provided with medicine. We also have to know what kind of vaccine stock we have now. There was one of the best take down I had ever seen in my life and to cry wing crazy none. None of this was happening and we missed a hindrance was in office and he can't speak to it because he doesn't know about I mean the look on Freeman space was really like shellshocked already running over time. Let me just say you know I might might be a pretty face but he's a great talk. Don't you tend to think debates in this day and age calcified standing opinions far more often than they create new ones but something caused the big movement in our most recent survey the U._S._A.. Paul all of a sudden the double digit lead Freman Hendrix is down to four points within the margin of error for the poll how that happened momentum started to shift towards quant and then in the final days of his campaign pain. He got an unlikely boost women described as the mother of the Modern Day civil rights movement passed away Rosa Parks died of natural causes in her Detroit home to the age of ninety. Two parks became famous for refusing to give up her bus seat to a white passenger in the optics of him during Rosa parks funeral was a big deal. This is Detroit free press reporter Jim Shafer legend obviously especially in this town where she came to live for many many years and there is a funeral televised and his opponent Freman Hendrix and Kilpatrick were both at the funeral kilpatrick was inside and you could see him on T._V.. Paying respects everything has really been said about mother parks and I WANNA go to a different perspective and not one of an elected official as a man who is a good husband of Carlita. I didn't say great I said good the I don't want her to stand up and testify but who's the great dad of Gilani Jalil Jonas. I'll say to you mother parks. Thank you for showing showing me what true courage really Freman Hendrix went outside and started campaigning shaking people's hands and that look bad that looked really bad make no mistake the Rosa parks funeral not only suspended campaigning for several inexpensive days but it also allowed the mayor to look awfully may oral standing among the likes of Bill Clinton and Jesse Jackson. The theme of the day was to honor Rosa Parks Harks get out there and vote election night comes and we're up ten points and folks are dancing again break bones Freman Hendrix his spokesperson. We were at the State theatre next door to the Fox theater and the place was packed waiting for the final count this sort of come in simply say to you that this election is far from being on his car for in twenty one journey is very for this promise that we city and we can believe in it is on schedule and then the lights go out literally there was a blackout blackout and then when the lights came on again ten fifteen minutes later the T._V.'s back on and <hes> folks are like the numbers of flip instead of ten points winds up. It was like what the hell it was. That's what it was like. It was like what the hell there's still in this election right out from under us. How does that happen in the near has to say as he greets some of his supporters on the stage to? Hello Detroit how they're doing. A lot in the great spirit of mother Rose approx choice showed up today. I'm just here to tell Fox two. I'm channel four and channel seven. Just wait on the streets because today everybody is created equal. Everybody got a right to vote today and when that comes in I know what you go see you go see Kilpatrick for more you one big surprise at election night came. I'm in Detroit. The incumbent Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick pulled away at the end to win a second term over the challenger Freman Hendrix Mr Mayor. If you'll repeat after us and give you a name I Japan who solemnly swear solemnly swear that I will support constant in January of two thousand six was sworn in for a second term as mayor shot sitting Detroit and faithfully discharge faithfully he discharged the duties on the on what people have to understand whether you're mayor or governor or president of the United States you don't operate in a vacuum again greg phones cremate Hendrix's spokesperson. You may think that the office protects you but it really doesn't if anything it exposes who you are as a person you know it reveals more than it hides about of your personality and what you're willing to do what you not willing to do and it also opens you up to a greater level of screw this kind of light that you're under under and the kind of controls that are put in place when they worked and they will eventually work it might take time but you can't hide behind the seal of the mayor forever or governor or president. It's just it's just not possible very very among in just under four hours of testimony. The mayor said former deputy chief Gary Brown was let go of his appointment as head of police internal turtle affairs because he broke the chain of command lawyers for the two men who say the mayor retaliated against them for investigating the mayor and his staff are trying to portray the mayor as a liar. That's next time on crime town tate because that's the only way to crime towns marks Merlin in Zach Stewart Pontiac. This season is made in partnership with Gimblett media and spotify this episode it was produced by Samantha Sirri-a Shockley Rob Zip Code and me John White and the senior producer is June Nellis editing by Zach Stewart Pontiac and marks Merlin back act checking by Jennifer Blackman. This episode was mixed sound designed and scored by Kenny Kuzak original music. This season composed by homer Steiner recorded some original music at Rustbelt Studios in Detroit which can partnership with Detroit Sound Conservancy Special. Thanks to Carlton Goals in Maurice Parana head heard additional music by Kenny Cusak and John Cusack the additional mixing by Bobby Lord our theme song is politicians in my eyes by death our credit music. 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Bloomberg is the podfather you call me up at three o'clock in the morning you said John I need you man. Can you meet with me said I don't know Mr Bloomberg but I went over there. Work walked in his office in have one book often. I said maybe this is the new what's happening with the Internet and all this shit all he had pictures of him and other folks I was wondering.

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Songs Week It's Already Been Invented Night

Chompers

04:11 min | 2 years ago

Songs Week It's Already Been Invented Night

"Chompers is produced by Gimblett and sponsored by crest and oral B. Welcome to jumpers your morning and night tooth brushing show. Start brushing on the top of your mouth, pick, aside and brush the inside outside and chewing side of each tooth. So for our song today. I want to share a bunch of my great ideas for inventions with my friend Kwami Kwami is a rapper and he's really cool. So I think he's really gonna like, my ideas. Waller singing don't forget to listen for the. That's when you're supposed to switch. You're brushing to another part of your mouth. Hey kwami. I just had an amazing idea. All right. You know, how you wanna listen to music, but you don't always want to pick out the songs what if someone else did that they just pick. And you listen, and maybe it comes out of like a boxer. Hold. Oh, wait a minute. You didn't know it's already been invented the radio jocks Chandra Bose yet. He did it my favorite songs in the carpet. Sal, I listened. Thanks JCB. Okay. Candy. Kidding? Okay. So that is already taken what about you know? How would you put a bad down and everything spills out of it would if he made a bad that didn't do that? Like, it's flat on the bottom or something hold. Oh, wait a minute. You didn't know it's already been invented the flat. Bottom paper bag, then. That's right. It holds my grocery site. Thanks to Margaret Louise night. Okay. Mark was bad. Here's another one. You know, how people have dogs and cats as pets keep a fish? We do make some sort of clear box. We could fill it with water, and then you could put the fishing. It is that a good idea. Hold on. Wait a minute. You didn't know it's already been invented via querying. Thanks maria. Beazely fish haven't home in swim easily split splash Maria. This isn't going very well. Okay. One last idea one if there was a show, and you listen to it while you brushed your teeth. So you don't get bored breach. Are you serious? Hold up. Wait a minute. You didn't know it's already been invented. Right. It's called shoppers. And it's done for today. You've done a great job brushing. Now, it's time to three. Chompers is a production of Gimblett media. Grownups your favorite? Twice-daily tooth brushing podcast is now an album songs to brush your teeth to features all your favorite hits from chompers brush your teeth. Bobsleigh cover your sneeze brush your teeth. The dragon who couldn't breathe fire and fruit has seeds. You can find songs to brush your teeth to from chompers on Spotify, apple music, or wherever you listen to music. Chompers is brought to you by crest and oral B April is finally here. Grownups have. You started your spring cleaning a good place to start might be your kids toothbrushes crest, an oral B have you covered with dentist recommended toothbrushes and toothpastes oral B toothbrushes are dentist recommended and safe. Your kids teeth and crest toothpaste comes in tasty flavors, like strawberry and bubblegum. It's the perfect team to make spring cleaning a dream this April bringing a fresh start with crest and oral B.

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The Last Last Dance

Slate's Hang Up and Listen

55:36 min | 4 months ago

The Last Last Dance

"Holiday season means stocking up on some essentials like decorations an ugly sweater with a bank of america. Cash rewards credit card. You can trust are in three percent cashback on online shopping. The essentials have never felt more rewarding visit bank of america dot com slash more rewarding to apply now copyright two thousand twenty bank of america corporation. This podcast contains explicit language. We do second Semi wife coming down felt like i was getting married. The familiar baritone voice you just heard belongs to. Michael jordan is january thirteenth nineteen ninety nine and he's in a crowded room at the united center home of the nba chicago bulls. I am here to to announce my retirement from the game of basketball It won't be another announcement to baseball or anything of that nature. This winter afternoon in chicago felt like it was really truly the end. Jordan's first retirement in nineteen ninety-three had been hastily organized affair. He was thirty then coming off of exhausting third straight championship run. He was also mourning the recent murder of his father james and he'd been dogged by rumors about his gambling habit. Then nineteen ninety-three season had been a hellish experience. He'd needed a break to go play baseball to clear his head. Jordan came back to the bulls after fifteen months off. And he'd win three more championships. He got the last win by nailing a game winning jumper over. Utah's brian russell. It was the perfect ending. Jordan's legacy was secure. This second retirement ceremony was different. More polished more michael jordan production. He came to the day with his wife. Juanita nba. Commissioner david stern and bulls owner jerry. Reinsdorf jordan was now nearly thirty six coming off of his second three peat. This time he didn't just need some time off. I mean peace with a lot of those things. I know From a career standpoint I've accomplished everything. I could as an individual Right now i don't have the mental challenges That i've had in the past to see as a as as a basketball player jordan sounded certain but the reporters at the united center couldn't help prodding. Michael is there any chance whatsoever that you'll change your mind somewhere down the road and return. No i never say never but it ninety five ninety nine point. Nine percent number is secured and decision. You'll notice jordan. Didn't say one hundred percent the reporters notice to michael one last time for the record. Why do you have to walk out of here with that. One percent in your pocket because it's my warm percent or not yours. That's right this time. Michael jordan stayed away for two full seasons. There's front page news tonight from sports to absolutely no one's surprise he's back again. Can he put the air back and do his game. If the advanced basketball age of thirty eight jordan didn't care about that perfect ending. He was going to write a new one for new team in a new city. Jordan's years as a shooting guard for the washington. Wizards have mostly vanished from our collective memory. Espn's ten hour documentary the last dance and with his sixth and final championship with the bulls as if his tenure with the wizards and that is series was about a champion one who pushed and sometimes punched his teammates. Victory in that story. Jordan's commitment and competitiveness where the not so secret ingredient to his and their success but the story of jordan. Plo chicago isn't about winning. It isn't a fairy tale with a story. Book ending in washington jordan strengths became weaknesses in a wizard. The ultimate champion turned his back on his teammates and they turned their backs on him. How michael jordan end up in washington. Dc why couldn't you make the wizards into winners. And what does the final chapter of jordan's career reveal about him as a player and a person. My name is joel anderson. This is a special episode of hangup. Listen the last last dance. Michael jordan goes to washington. Washington's nba franchise wasn't always joke. The actually won a championship in nineteen. Seventy eight beck when they were known as the washington. Bullets beginning washington check out and bernie bickerstaff embracing over there as the washington. Bullets file off the law and the crowd. Here in the owner of the team was a poland. He bought a stake into vin baltimore. Bullets in nineteen sixty four then moved them to the dc suburbs a decade later that championship bullets. One thousand nine hundred. Seventy eight was a big deal in washington. The first title. One of the city's pro franchises and thirty six years. A poland died in two thousand nine. Here's a son robert. Polin was huge to him. We have this picture of him on the airplane going back with the trophy smile on his face. Oh yeah i mean he wore is ring every single day the rest of his life. The bullets made it to the finals again. The next season but this time they lost in the years that followed the bullets went into a tailspin phil. Chenier played on that. Seventy eight championship team then became a broadcaster for the bullets. We have some good players excited players in at the beginning of every year. We're looking at okay at this app. Is that this guy. Plays this guy plays. This happens but overall the team just wasn't being successful and the frustration was getting bigger bigger. Is you pushed on without being playoffs without sniffing the playoffs. It was tough. The french won just a single playoff series in the nineteen eighties ninety nineties. They were bad and totally irrelevant. Is michael jordan's chicago. Bulls came to dominate the nba. If he watched the last dance. You may remember one story about the bullets. In march nineteen ninety-three a young player named la bradford smith scored a career-high thirty seven points in a close loss to the bulls. He scored a lot of those points. While defended by michael jordan chenier was watching from a few feet away and he kept his eyes on smith after the game he kind of made a beeline towards where jordan was. And you can kind of see this exchange and it looked like. He had him on sundays status. A nice game it's unclear. Fla bradford smith actually said nice game but this was going to be one of the tiny perceived slights that michael jordan used to motivate himself a lesser players scoring on him and then having the goal to talk shit. Jordan wouldn't have that unfortunately for smith. The bullets and the bulls played again the next night. Michael takes it out the turnaround in the rematch. Jordan scored thirty six points in the first half. Lebron smith had been one of the bullets. best prospects. he was out of the league year later. But nineteen ninety-seven the bullets promising. Young core led by juwan howard and chris webber that year. They made the playoffs for the first time. In nine seasons the first round opponent was not the opponent you wanna face in. The first round have eliminated the washington. Bullets bathroom bike wiltord scoring fourteen fourth. Quarter a few weeks. After jordan and the bulls swept that series the washington franchise. Its name a poll and said that bullets connote killing violence and death and that a sports team should not be involved with that kind of a name. The new nickname wizards won out over seadogs stallions and dragons but changing names didn't change the team's fortunes neither did moving to a new arena. The mci center downtown washington dc. Poland's team needed something or someone else in the best basketball player in the world. He was looking for a new job in november nineteen ninety nine michael jordan. Stop by the chicago bulls practice facility. A young bulls player corey. Benjamin had been talking about challenging jordan to a game of one on one jordan showed up that day to kick corey benjamin's ass which he did and he talked to reporters afterward and said i was in stopped playing still love basketball doubt but there is still filling you happy with your life right now. So it's just a little break to get back. Picked him up. So i mean it's enough. I got enough opportunities. Played enough challenge golf his jack mccallum. He covered the nba for sports illustrated. Michael was a spokesman. But you didn't have the sense that he was plotting the steps to become an executive. And i remember larry bird's comment. What do you want to do when you retire. I want to be the fattest man driving out of boston in other words. I'm just going to golf. That's what i saw for. Michael jordan was sincere about wanting to work in the nba in no place appealed to him quite like chicago. Problem was the team. He'd lead to six titles. Didn't want him around the bulls were shut off. I mean when that saying ended they were gone for whatever reason. The reason is actually pretty clear. After enduring years of criticism and at times bullying from jordan the bulls front office was done with him for the bulls. Jordan's abrasiveness wasn't worth it. If they were no longer contending for championships jordan was now a free agent in nineteen ninety nine. He backed out of talks to buy a stake in the charlotte hornets. The reportedly wouldn't give him enough control. Jordan also met with denver milwaukee and vancouver all struggling franchises looking for credibility boost and then another suitor emerged to get jordan. The washington wizards will have to give him total authority over basketball decision. Making that men stripping those responsibilities from franchise legend. Wes unseld wizards owner. Abe polin agreed to that jordan would also get a stake in the franchise making him one of just a handful of black nba owners. Steve was the wizards beat writer for the washington post. The league was really behind. You really want to jordan back into the nba. Davis had a great relationship with a poland. Who is a wonderful man and who really wanted to win more than anything else and he was willing to work with the league to make that happen. The wizards were desperate. They traded away their young star chris. Webber and they'd start at the nineteen ninety nine two thousand season by losing twenty eight of their first forty games. Jordan seemed like their chance at redemption in january. Two thousand to washington wizards introduce jordan as the franchise's new president of basketball operations in that press conference. He made it clear that he wasn't miracle worker. As much as you guys may have give me the respect being year and certainly the expectations. That are kind of set for myself because i used to shoot a basketball around pretty decent This team you're my my efforts to try to make this team a successful one screen. That's going to take some time but I look forward to the challenge. Michael jordan came to washington. Dc in a suit but there was always some speculation that he would trade it in for uniform. Here's rachel nichols beg them. A sports writer for the washington post. Certainly anyone who covered michael in the late nineties didn't think when he walked off the court after that ninety eight season that lasts dance season that he was done as a player. Nobody thought oh man he better retire. He's lost it. Nobody thought that it wasn't however all michael jordan's just coming here undercover as an executive. And he's really gonna come play. It wasn't like that it was more of just maybe never know jordan inherited players. That weren't good enough to win on their own and from his spot in the front office there were only so many levers that jordan could pull after ten days on the job. He fired first year head. Coach gar heard when the wizards season was over jordan hired leonard hamilton from the university of miami and things only got worse on december. Sixth two thousand. The foreign fourteen wizards blew a huge lead to the five and fourteen. Los angeles clippers after the game. Jordan lost his shit. He stormed into the locker room and told the players they were a disgrace to the fans and had a loser's mentality jordan said he wanted to trade them away but the no teams wanted them. The boss wasn't exactly leading. By example jordan spent big chunks of time managing his personal business empire an playing golf. About twenty days. Each month. he'd be back home in illinois. Watch wizards games alone in its basement. Mike wise covered the nba for the new york times. His work at the gm was suspect. He was often out of town. He wasn't the guy working the phones he was still ahead of michael jordan inc. This became a moonlighting gig. Almost for michael jordan. The wizards finish the year. Nineteen and sixty three a month after the end of the regular season jordan earned his first meaningful victory in the front office. The franchise won the two thousand one. Nba draft lottery giving them the first overall selection and a chance for rebirth afterward. Jordan spoke to reporters on a conference call from the twelve hundred golf course. Eight on thomas came to washington into first big trade michael jordan ever made a toe injury sidelined thomas for the entire two thousand two thousand one season. Which would have been his first in. The nba came out to dc like last two games. Two games ooh law. This is terrible. I was like. I think they were born in the stands and it was like you know he's getting beat by a billion i think what like nineteen games that year. So i'm talking to other guys then again. You have a chance to play erica's as you see. This is bad. Thomas was working out at the wizards practice facility. When a pair of highly touted prospect showed up both just finished their senior seasons in high school their names were tyson chandler and kwami brown and kwami shelves all of them. He wasn't even close. If the wizards had the top pick two years later. They could've taken lebron james but in two thousand one there was no consensus about the best player available. Kwami brown was an enticing gamble. Only nineteen years old brown already. Looked like a grown man is six foot eleven inches and two hundred and forty five pounds by this point. A bunch of guys drafted out of high school. Hit become huge stars. But none of them not kevin garnett kobe bryant. He'd been taking with the number one overall pick in two thousand and one nba draft. The washington wizards select warming round brunswick own draft night. Brown was the center of attention for just a couple of minutes moments. After the wizards picked him the tnt crew turned. Its attention to the wizards team president. What we got you there my call. You're joining broken ribs and a pickup game the week before the draft. The injury fueled speculation. That jordan was thinking of returning to the court. In march sports illustrated columnist. Rick reilly wrote. The jordan was ninety percent committed to making a comeback jordan denied the report even as the workouts continued beckett the draft the tnc panel featuring jordan's friend. Charles barkley pressed him about his plans and we to get some answers off. Charles you're heavy. You guys could share a special moment. Might nobody will reveal what you say on your real. Why don't worry about it you you get still the boss. Later that night off camera barkley told a reporter. Michael wants to play. It was true. Jordan was working out hard six days a week up to six hours a day jordan de executive hit ballooned to two hundred and forty pounds. He was now back down to his playing weight of to twelve. Here's rachel nichols. It turned eventually into the worst kept secret in the world because he was holding these workouts with current mba players to sort of get himself back into shape and engage where he was people knew that he was doing it. And you didn't know if he was going to pol the final step of it and actually do it but we knew that he was looking to see if he could. Michael lahey was on the jordan. Beat for the washington post. He later published a book on. Jordan's time in dc called when nothing else matters months before that two thousand one draft jordan. Lahey that he'd never wanted to quit playing that he left the bulls only because his coach phil jackson had been forced out join fretted about his diminishing stature and the game about how kobe bryant and vince carter had replaced him as the faces of the league. It gets the competitor going. He said all the losses in washington will also taking their toll when he did show up. Two games in dc jordan set in a luxury box and he looked down at the faces of wizards fans staring up at him to him. Those faces said get on the court and fix this his jack mccallum. A sports illustrated sixty percent of it was wanting to get back there and forty percent of it was i can be. I can be better doing this. I think michael saw himself. That michael as an executive wasn't necessarily going to Going to get it done. Good morning air jordans taxiing for takeoff legendary basketball great. Michael jordan is getting ready to return to the game. He loves today. Tuesday september eleventh. Two thousand one. Michael jordan's comeback was everyone's top story on the morning of september eleventh. That changed at eight forty six. Am eastern when american airlines flight. Eleven crashed into the world. Trade center in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks jordan decided to wouldn't be appropriate to call a big news conference two weeks later. He released a statement through his management agency. I am returning a player to the game. I love jordan. Said that the wizards a team that had just gone. Nineteen and sixty three. Would now be a playoff contender. A lot of people thought jordan was making a big mistake. His friend charles. Barkley said that was nothing positive for jordan to gain by coming back jordan. Responded it is first press conference as a wizards player. I'm not walking into this scenario thinking. I'm failing i'm walking into thinking. I'm coughing up. Pretty sure i can make it work. Can't if i sit here and listen to everyone else. Tell me that. I can't do it then. Obviously i wouldn't be here. His first game back against the new york knicks at madison square garden a month and a half after nine eleven the attacks still loomed over everything in american life. The thirty eight year old jordan. Who'd signed a two year contract with the wizards with a one million dollar starting salary. He pledged that entire amount to victims of terrorism. The day before the game jordan paid a visit to ground zero on the court. The starting lineups were introduced alongside members of the military from the united states. Navy aviation storekeepers. Second class getting from north carolina. Number twenty three michael jordan. It was quite a buildup even by the standards of michael jordan in new york. The game didn't live up to any of it jordan misses. I shot a pull up jumper in transition. He made a second a layup. His third was an air ball in the final seconds with a chance to tie the game. Jordan threw the ball away but then washington still back jordan wearing his trademark number twenty three on an unfamiliar dark blue jersey. Had one last chance michael jordan. These hot down by creep. Thomas fall jordan's add. Some open. looks five games into his first. Comeback in nineteen ninety-five jordan had scored fifty five points against the nixon madison square garden. His famous double nickel on this night. He finished with nineteen or seven for twenty one shooting in a wizards loss. Three weeks later jordan. Shot eight for twenty six and another defeat. That dropped the wizards record to two nine. Worst of all jordan's body was breaking down. Let's take a quick break. You decided to upgrade your outdoor deck. So you ordered the essentials. A power washer said a patio chairs and a shiny new grill. And you used your bank of america. Cash rewards credit card choosing three percent cashback on online shopping up to five point two five percent as a preferred rewards member. 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Put himself through to get on the floor. You would have to get his knee drain. And it was like the grossest thing that i've ever seen slow like the elephant man and then they will come in with this long needle in drain it and there would be like this black tar goose stuff that will come out. It was disgusting. And so i don't even know if he was supposed to even be playing does on camera but what time we're sitting in the locker room and i looked over to my house like why are you doing this like honestly i was like. You don't have anything to prove your. Mj he didn't really answer but was like why. Are you even blame for basketball. People didn't see. The incredible thing was a physically compromise. Michael jordan was still michael jordan. Here steve wyatt of the washington post he had some moments. I mean he had some. I mean more than moments where he really he really played like m j one of those moments came on december twenty ninth. Two thousand one jordan went to that game against the charlotte hornets having scored a career. Low six points two nights earlier this would be a better night jordan for his first shot. The game has third of what he got thursday short for second screen shot. It's nothing short. He scored twenty four points in the first quarter. He had thirty four by halftime and at the end of the night jordan was flirting with history. Sort hundred jordan was the oldest player to ever score fifty points in a game afterwards. He said i wanted to make a statement. Offensively jordan was recovering from preseason injuries to his ribs and me in recapturing his old magic two nights later against new jersey. He put up forty five in another wizards victory lifting their record to sixteen and fourteen a month after that. The wizards trailed the cavs by one point with one point six seconds left. Everyone knew who was getting the ball city of cleveland jordan teammates. Mobbed him everything was working in. Everyone was happy all across america. Michael jordan was king eight. Thomas saw it firsthand. You know those videos where you see like wherever jay. It's where he is going overseas and stuff like that. Acc big crowds there. And they're all just yelling screaming his name like trying to touch his arm and stuff like that or they like big such as you. Don't be something like that happens. Bass out was with edgy. Will do it the craziest thing i remember like is this is. This'll be a is like you say is like no. You're not for madness. Brendan haywood was another young player on that wizards team. All our games martin. Tv like other players will come into the locker room trying to get shoot signed it was. It was crazy to see like your walk over there. Hey make you sign a shoe and it's not a son when my boys was sitting the standard craziest story told me was. It was a dad and a son that was sit behind him. Mike wasn't playing well at night. Is daddy george. Orme got it no more. He said he said the damage that his son says. Son say that about michael jordan un-american and late two thousand one in early two thousand and two michael jordan was still one of the best basketball players in the world heading into the all star break jordan and kobe bryant with the only guys in the league averaging more than twenty five points five rebounds and five assists the wizards who twenty six and twenty one and led the league in home attendance. Mike wise of the new york times he'd been skeptical of jordan's latest comeback. But now we thought jordan was an mvp candidate. Wise wrote in january. That jordan had done the improbable again. He got his teammates. The once woeful wizards to believe in. I forgot that i wrote that gets. There was a real sense of excitement a poland. His business plan is paying off. But michael jordan is getting his end of the bargain. He's getting scratch that edge again. He worked really hard to come back. And i do think there was a belief early on it. Wouldn last the good times ended against sacramento in the final game before all star weekend after hitting a jumper in the second quarter jordan banged into a thomas jordan dropped to the court grabbing his right knee. You gotta be kidding me. I don't this had not happened. It was weird because it's not like we hit that hard it was just wear it hit his knee. Jordan shook it off and lead the wizards to the fifth straight win but the toll of that collision and the grind of the nba schedule showed up three days later. At the all-star game in philadelphia jordan was only a week away from turning thirty nine. We win a four breakaway dunk. In the first quarter he looked at decade older. Oh gracious sakes two weeks later in a loss at miami jordan's knee was so sore that he couldn't play most of the fourth quarter after the game he told reporters. My mind is still consistent but my body isn't that it mission was a huge deal. The legend of michael jordan had been built around his indestructible. Eighty one no matter. What jordan was finely balanced to the obvious. His knee wouldn't get better if he kept playing on it. He had torn cartilage an injury. Likely exacerbated by refusal to give the knee arrest his competitiveness. it made him vulnerable. Jordan had surgery on february twenty seventh. Two thousand two jihadi white. Who played center for the wizards saw everything they'd built that year. Start to slip away less than halfway through season. We started a djelic. We definitely had a playoffs. Like my fair you know when playoff gum anybody win. I'm be a different person. He said and in my wind down got hurt three weeks. After jordan had surgery he tried to give it another go. He averaged a little more than twelve points in the next seven games on april second. He scored just two in lost. His old coach phil jackson's los angeles lakers for jordan. That was it. He was done for the season. So with the wizards they'd finish the year. Thirty seven and forty five in out of the playoffs Join could've ended his comeback here. He'd shown the be could still play. Forced body betrayed. Stopping would have been reasonable. The michael jordan didn't become michael jordan. Lobbying reason the wizards coach doug collins said that the greatest player of all time wasn't ready to quit what he said to me was. He's going to shut it down. Let the thing. He'll get the inflammation out of there and Whether that six weeks or eight weeks or might be doing with the idea that he wants to Play next year. Michael jordan had always been a winner and he expected his teammates to be winners to jordan demand. Excellence and he didn't make those demands politely. Here's rachel nichols michael. Jordan did not have mercy for anyone when he was a player and or even as an executive and that included guys that he possibly should have been trying to nurture more. But that's just no michael. Jordan is in the fall of nineteen ninety-five. He punched his bulls. Teammate steve kerr in the face. During a team scrimmage in nineteen ninety seven ninety eight. He tormented another bulls teammate. Scott burrell calling him a dumb ass bitch and a ho in the last dance join argued that he was toughing. These guys up so that they'd come through when it mattered and the bulls did come through. You can't argue with six championships right. But maybe you didn't have to be that way. Those bulls teams had a lot going for them. They had scottie pippen. Horace grant and then. Dennis rodman plus phil. Jackson is the head coach. It's hard to imagine that jordan calling. Scott burrell ho is what put them over the top. The truth is some guys would have been better off if they'd never met jordan. Dennis hopson wasn't featured in the last dance but he played for the bulls in the early nineties. One of their teammates said that jordan's abuse ruined hopson that it broke him down mentally. The bulls traded hobson in nineteen ninety. One he was out of the nba and nineteen ninety-two the wizards players. I talked to said that jordan was a little easier on his teammates in washington. Here's johnny white. He can happen do that as much. And i think even more owning my kind of probably could understand that some time he can take a different perspective. A different route drive to do so. You only really tough with was kwami in his first. nba season. Kwame brown averaged four and a half points in three and a half rebounds in fourteen minutes game. Those were the worst numbers for number one draft. Pick in nearly thirty years michael jordan the executive hit draft the nineteen year old brown straight out of high school and when brown struggled early on jordan. The player lashed out. It was a tough relationship. And don't think that you can say probably would have been a superstar or if you've been morale's but it certainly was a lot harder because he started under that spotlight and he was never able to do everything michael wanted him to do. And it costs a lot of friction like kwami. Brown brendan haywood was a wizards rookie. In two thousand one. Unlike brown heywood had spent four years in college. We start at the university of north carolina. He's trying to learn all that stuff on the fly but more importantly no one ever identified that man. This is a immature kid right now. That's trying to fit into a grown man world. And mike did neither. But you know he's my either grains play a whole time is one championships. He expects a certain level. You know played with a high school guy before so he didn't understand he. We had to dumb it down for them what we needed to talk to him. At certain way after jordan's first season as a wizards player. Michael he wrote in the washington post. The jordan had been patient with brown four week jordan thought. The rookie didn't work hard. Enough and then one day in practice brown complained that he'd been fouled according to lahey jordan exploded when he heard that any called his teammate. A homophobic slur at the time. Kwami brown didn't confirm or deny that account. All he said was. It was pretty rough. But that's michael jordan. More recently brown has denied the jordan ever called him a slur. He said it was just gossip to sell more papers or magazines. I don't know with michael. Jordan said to kwami brown in practice that day lahey declined an interview but he told me that he stands by its reporting jordan and brown both turned down my interview. Requests head coach. Doug collins didn't wanna talk either steve wyatt. The wizards beat writer told me he didn't hear it. Johnny white said the same thing. There is one thing. I can say with certainty. Kwame brown was desperate for kind of affirmation. That michael jordan would not give him brendan haywood again. I don't think. Mike realize that kwami. You're not a teammate to him you're michael jordan. He looks up to you. So when you yell at wami you take off confidence when you talk down to kwami. He feels like he's nothing. Kwami brown wasn't the only one in the locker room fell to connect with jordan. Jordan was at least fifteen years older than most of his wizards teammates. Many grown up idolizing him joined in mom being worshiped but he preferred the company of people his own age. His closest friend on the roster was thirty nine year old. Charles oakley a former bulls teammate. Who the wizards brought over in two thousand two in giving his extraordinary fame jordan was also understandably guarded around newcomers assad from oakley he mostly hang out with his bodyguards. His longtime trainer in a few other close acquaintances that was no great loss to the younger players. We would kind of like into different things. Man mike the smoke cigars and drink and drink his little wine. Playcalls gambled all night with the money. That was on the table. But i can gamble with him. Barak could make it active even make it a west coast trip. Tried again with them. Build so like hey gambling. I'm playing video even when we go out. I'm going to mike trying to go to most. Is you know he's not trying to go to that spot. The wizards didn't need to get along off the court to get in sync on the court but the court thing. That wasn't working either. Michael jordan would be back in a wizards uniform in the fall of two thousand and two. His most talented team made wouldn't be the wizards had two guys who averaged twenty points a game and the two thousand one two thousand two season michael jordan in a twenty four year olds shooting guard named rip hamilton. Hamilton was the wizards best young player. A building block that any smart franchiser wanna keep around. But if the wizards we're going to win with michael jordan they needed to do it immediately. He was too old and hobbled to wait on his teammates to develop just before jordan. Second season as a wizards player. The team traded hamilton for jerry. Stackhouse stackhouse had been compared to jordan as a college star in north carolina in the nba. He averaged thirty points a game in the two thousand two thousand one season the twenty seven year old small ford could take some of the scoring load off jordan. But he wasn't going to defer to him. Brendan haywood again heights. Looking for the next scottie. Pippen to be with them. Stacks looking for. Mike passed the torch. Obviously there was a mixup communication. So that they had almost like a weird. Like i will relationship on the team so the team was weird that you they never had words but it was an uneasy tension the jordan who back to the court in two thousand two needed help agent injuries that clearly slowed him down. Even compared to the j of two thousand one and yet jordan wasn't willing to play a supporting role. Here's jack mccallum sports illustrated. he can't come back to a teen and suddenly become a guy that's going to set picks and facilitate every. It's just not going to happen. House jerry stackhouse going to be jerry stackhouse with michael out there. Nobody was a better score than michael jordan. But before phil jackson took over as the bulls head coach in nineteen eighty nine. The nocco jordan was that he was too much of a ball hog to win a title. Jackson's greatest accomplishment was convincing jordan. That even the best player in the world couldn't win on his own. Michael jordan could be trusting under the right circumstances but he always believed it himself more than he believed in anyone else in their two thousand two season opener against the toronto raptors. The wizard shot thirty percent and scored just sixty eight points after the game. Stackhouse said they were out of sync jordan. Said it was pretty ugly. When jordan mr breakaway dunk. The crowd in toronto laughed. The plan for the season had been for jordan to come off the bench to save his energy and prevent another injury. Jordan and the wizards quickly scrapped. That idea in january. He played fifty three minutes in a double overtime win over the pacers finishing with forty one points and twelve rebounds after the game jordan wondered if it was the start of something big. We really needed to play. Well laugh muqata and you just had little stretches. Where have you couldn't put it together game. I think we've been putting together. But jordan only had so much left to give and it showed later that month and another game against toronto. The raptors came to washington having lost twelve of thirteen games and they had to. Nba minimum of players on their roster. One of them was twenty three year old. Damone brown he just been called up from the minor league north charleston. Locators time went on. I had a couple possessions whereas switch out on them or end up on on that. They're pretty good. That's brown at halftime. The raptors coach. Lenny wilkins told the six foot nine ford. He'd be guarding jordan. In the second half. I'm not gonna go out there and go like anybody in caused by myself. Joris sabra kobe. Staff or anything like that. I think i just got lucky on that day and was able to do my part of the test in making a dip. Paul brown is being humble but this was the best night of his mba career. He had thirteen points. The most ever scorer in the league jordan finished with twenty two but it took him twenty three shots to get their the raptors one eighty four to seventy five michael jordan hypnotists career and reputation by embarrassing guys like damone brown. But now it was jordan. Who was getting embarrassed. The wizards nineteen in nineteen and going nowhere for jordan the rest of the season would be a glorified retirement tour. It halftime of the two thousand and three all star game in atlanta mariah carey serenaded jordan. Carry war jordan's wizards jersey as address it. At the end of a medley. She brought him out the midpoint. Since michael jordan had tears in his eyes as the approach carey and hugged the original crying jordan moment after a minute and a half standing ovation jordan address the crowd. I have passed on that. Dr j. some of the great players magic johnson larry bird is passed on to pass on threes. All starts here as well as in. Nba thank you. Thank you for your support can go home to the piece the game of basketball. A thieving graciousness stepping aside for the next generation of nba stars. But the truth was jordan. Had been totally gracious. Jordan had finished behind. Vince carter alan iverson and tracy mcgrady into all star voting. That meant for the first time in jordan's career. He was on the team as a reserve mccarter. Hit been pressured to give up his starting spot. So the jordan could hold onto the spotlight. This crowd wants so badly for michael to hit. That first shot these old for three airs poet. Michael offer five here at the start. Jordan would start the game over seven. Heat ended up nine for twenty seven from the field but in overtime he got the chance for one last storybook finish. This should have been it. Kobe bryant got fouled and tied the game with two free throws jordan. Got one more chance to win it but this time shawn marion swatted away. A shot jordan clearly winded set out the entire second overtime a week. After the all star game jordan celebrated his fortieth birthday at the ritz carlton in washington. Dc charles barkley was there so we're jazy beyond say and donald trump who brought along model girlfriend. Melania trump told the washington post the jordan's wife. Juanita did a wonderful job at the party and there was just great affection for michael six nights later against the new jersey nets jordan history for the final time. Another three throw kapoor the first time that old school forty or more kids should an nba game. Incredible jordan scored the go-ahead basket with thirty four seconds. Left lifting the wizards to the win. But nobody in washington was feeling optimistic jordan. Instead house never resolve their chemistry issues and kwami brown wasn't developing at all. Here's mike weiss again. The most damning thing. I remember hearing and god rest his soul. I can give up his anonymity now. West sun cell told me this. Wes unseld who died this june. At the age of seventy four was the most beloved figure in franchise history. He'd been with the team since nineteen sixty eight as a player and then an executive and he'd accepted a lesser role in the front office. When jordan came to washington he said michael has been great for many of us in this organization ways as raised the value of the franchise has made us respectable in other ways and yet he's poisoned the locker room and i go well i know that. How do i knew that. And he goes. I just went around and ask every player if they would chip in for retirement gift for him give him something nice all of them turn their backs on me and said every plan unanimous. It's no wonder jordan's teammates weren't sad to see him go is washington seasons slipped away. Join took the belittling the younger wizards after he scored thirty nine points in a loss to the knicks. He said it's very disappointing. When a forty year old man has more desire than twenty five. Twenty six twenty three year. Old people. After a blowout defeat and phoenix. Jordan said. i'm not gonna try to save. This team is not my job. This was the petty cruelty of chicago years. But without the victories that made it come off as motivational michael. Lahey of the washington post ex-jordan if publicly blasting his teammates might hurt them arou- jordan's response. The truth hurts. Michael jordan's last home game. On april fourteenth. Two thousand three was a total non event. Although it was officially a sell out there were empty seats scattered throughout the mci center. The only bit of spectacle came before tipoff when defense secretary donald rumsfeld gave jordan american flag. That flag had flown over the pentagon on the first anniversary of the september eleventh attacks. The game itself ended in another listless defeat for the wizards jordan scored twenty one points and didn't address the home crowd. Two nights later in philadelphia jordan. Better sendoff sixers. Great dr j. In moses malone gave him a personalized golf cart in late in the fourth quarter with the sixers leading by twenty and jordan on the bench and warm ups. The crowd demanded an encore jerry jordan. The game with two thirty five left and hit two free throws giving him fifteen points for the night and then he checked back out. There's the end. Jordan was thirty six hundred. Eighty nine the wizards team president and they were seventy four ninety during his two seasons as a player the team never seriously contended for the play. Offs jordan was no longer young enough to carry his teammates on the court. Any couldn't build a roster that gave him enough help. The wizards had neither a strong foundation nor bright future especially given to call me braun. Looked like a bust. Jordan would not apologize for bruising his teammates confidence or even for picking the wrong players. He still thought he was the man. Fix the wizards that he could fix everything that he never acknowledged screwing up friday as cinnamon retirement papers whenever that have to do that. And then from that point on. Obviously i wanna move back upstairs here steve. Why should the washington post everyone expected that when. Mj's playing tenuous over. He was gonna move back into the front office. The succession plan and ownership was already set place and within a day or two a michael's final game. You really begin to hear like apes going to let him go. I don't again j. knew that but you begin to hear like something is not right here. Something doesn't smell right year. Wizard sonar a poland was indeed wary of bringing jordan back. He had alienated players in the locker room and failed to distinguish himself in the boardroom. Plus jordan had shown little interest building relationship with poland. Who is technically his boss. You could sense that a a wonderful man. He felt disrespected. Because you know. Look i'm not gonna lie. Michael time street of the organization like it didn't exist before him was also clear. That jordan had no particular loyalty to poland or the wizards jordan had hinted as much after his final game at the mci center. We have to have some discussion with management here. And hopefully single is smooth. Expect in if not have other options jordan. Believe that he'd done a huge amount for the wizards and they'd sacrificed for the franchise giving up his ownership stake when he resumed his playing career. Now jordan thought he deserved to be rewarded. A raise your profile. Your arena sold out. The value of your team is two or three times greater than what it was when i came here. You should be grateful for that. You had two different perspectives in two different worlds trying to operate together. Which of course ended very ugly april and fired jordan on may seventh two thousand and three to the wizards owner. It was the inevitable. Dissolution of a partnership that it run its course. Here's a son robert poland. Who's now when economist at the university of massachusetts amherst michael felt like he had been promised something. And my father said you'd never were promised Your job back. In fact it would have been Against the league rules to have done that. So michael jordan. Getting fired is not something that michael jordan was used to so naturally he was very bitter in a statement jordan said that he was shocked by the decision and the callous refusal to offer me any justification to it. Joins teammates were shocked. The call game at all. It is a thomas. They basically used update for two years to drive up all their revenues change their dire franchise and then they said okay. You know that. Thank you for your services now. And here's brendan haywood. I think that taught me more life less. About how big you a big bank can take little bank especially if you black you know when you're twenty two twenty three twenty four years old. You're not really thinking about that. Was like yo treat. Michael joy that was jordan's final in washington the sixth time. Nba champion couldn't leave town fast enough. He went down to the mci center. Parking garage got into his mercedes. Convertible put the top down and drove away. Rachel nichols when he drove out of that parking lot. Nobody was sorry to see each other. Have the door hit them on the way out. Three years after getting fired in washington jordan bought a stake into nba charlotte. Bob cats in the past fourteen years jordan's team has lost fifty eight percent of their games in hasn't won a single playoff series. Rubber poland says that track record confirms that his father made the right decision. You look at what he's done in charlotte. i mean. he is not a good team presidents or owner. He doesn't add a bill the champion. that doesn't include him. It's just a fact and the wizards two years after jordan got ousted washington finish forty five and thirty seven made the playoffs for the first time since nineteen ninety-seven the guy who led them their head coach. Eddie jordan whatever. His shortcomings as an executive michael jordan legacy as a player wasn't diminished by his time in washington. He'd already gotten a perfect ending that six championship but jordan wanted a seventh title and he was willing to risk his reputation to go for it. All the cared about was winning. That's what made him a great player. Perhaps the greatest ever in a very difficult person. I think sometimes fans watch athletes into them. They're characters on the screen and they want the story of the character to end a certain way but the characters a real guy. And i think what he did in washington showed in some ways. The stretch of his greatness was even longer and wider and deeper than we thought. The idea. That people who love michael jordan. Just wanna forget. It is actually always a little silly to me. One person who doesn't seem to agree with that take is michael jordan himself. When jordan was inducted into the basketball hall of fame in two thousand nine he spoke for twenty two minutes. He told the guy who'd beaten him out for varsity spot in high school that their coach had made a huge mistake. He told his children that he was sorry that they'd have to live in his shadow and he recalled telling a bulls assistant that. There's not an i in team. But there's an i in win jordan. Say a single word about his time with the washington wizards to him. That wasn't a story worth telling this special episode of hang up and listen was produced by me and melissa kaplan with editorial direction josh levin sophie summer grant is our assistant producer. Michalis book on jordan's time with the wizards is titled when nothing else matters. Special thanks to ryan roberts and slates meghan calcium channel to ben mathis lilley stephan francis katie raeford alison benedict gabriel. Roth alicia montgomery june. Thomas and jared hold. Thanks for listening if you like this episode and want to hear more. You're in luck later this week. 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Kwame Christian on negotiating anything

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Kwame Christian on negotiating anything

"The news team at lincoln. I'm jesse bill and this is hello monday our show about the changing nature of work and how that work is changing us. I remember this one time early in my career. Asking my boss for a raise. It was andy serwer. He was the editor in chief of fortune magazine. I was so nervous so nervous. I could feel the tears stinging at the corner of my eyes. Maybe this has happened to you. Add written out. Exactly what i wanted to say on a little piece of paper that unfolded from my pocket and i had barely launched into it before he agreed to the raise. He said sure. And i was like wait but had the script. Just let me read my script. And then afterwards i was kicking myself. I mean if it was that easy for him to grant my request. I just had to wonder. Why haven't i stopped to ask for more well. Today's guest is quantum christian and he said master a difficult conversations. Like this kwami believes you can negotiate just about anything commies law professor in a business lawyer. And he's director of the american negotiation institute a couple of years ago. He published a book that spells out his approach. It's got a great title it's called. Nobody will play with me how to use compassionate curiosity to find confidence in conflict today. We're going to dig into his philosophy. Here's quantity. I was always struggling with confidence growing up and i was a people pleaser recovering people pleaser. Here's the thing you can be a people person that you understand people. You can communicate well with people. But it doesn't mean that you're good at advocating for yourself doesn't mean that you're willing to stand up for yourself and and really set some clear boundaries. An advocate for what you want and need out of life and so for me growing up in an all white community as a caribbean american. Small town ohio. I was incredibly different from everybody. And so the first chapter of my book finding confidence in conflict shares a story of me on a playground in first grade where i would go around to different groups of kids and ask them to play. Nobody would play with me. And the whole recess went that way and i just went back into the just bawling just bawling my eyes out and the teacher said what happened. Said nobody would play with me that very day. I made a vow that this would never happen again. I never feel this alone again. And so i went on a friendship offensive. So i said everybody's going to be my friend. I'm going to be popular and it worked. I was but the problem is. I was a people pleaser because i recognize that i worked so hard to get these friendships that i didn't want to do anything to jeopardize it. And so that's what held held me back when it came to actually advocating for myself. And so i recognized when i was into adult. I needed to make a pivot if i wanted to live the life that i wanted to live. You learn i about yourself through trial and error right you figure out what works to get people to be on your side said speak or to like you but then that next piece once he figured out how to get people to be on your side that feels a little bit more complicated and like it involves a good deal of self awareness and that is figuring out who you are and what you need and how to advocate for yourself. Is that really what you see. Negotiation is being. Yeah that's a big part of it. That's a big part of it and again recognizing skills versus talent going. Back to that point we can be self aware and recognize. Hey i have this problem. I'm struggling with this. That's fair that's good to recognize that but again if you don't have that growth mindset if you say i just don't have it then you just accept okay. This is who i am and my life is going to be terrible right. we have to recognize. No this is something that we can actually improve upon. But we need to do it in a way. That's authentic so you don't need to change who you are on a fundamental level. You need to acknowledge who you are acknowledged some of the barriers that you need to overcome but still be authentic when it comes to communicating. But you need to stand up for yourself. We'll so you have a framework that would love for you to talk us through. That's a great place to start when we're talking about negotiation. Yes so this is called the compassionate curiosity framework and it's three steps and you can use it at work and at home. So the first step is acknowledging invalidating motions. The second step is getting curious with compassion and the third step is joint problem solving. so when i'm negotiating with my five year old or or my wife at home. I'm using this exact same framework when negotiating with opposing counsel as an attorney. I'm using this framework when i'm teaching. People in my negotiation and conflict resolution trainings. how to negotiate multimillion dollar deals. This is the same framework. It's all the same and it to deal with addressing the emotional barrier first gathering information. But doing it with a tone that is not threatening and then working collaboratively with the other side to solve the problem. Well so what is the biggest mistake that people make when they go into negotiation. The biggest mistake is that they don't address the emotional side. That's the biggest mistake. There's a big difference between being right and being persuasive you can come in. They're locked and loaded with all the facts all of the logic all of the reasoning and rationale and still not get what you want and at the end of the day. It's all about changing hearts and minds. We need to be able to move people. And when you think about the psychology of decision making people will make decisions. I with their emotions. It's unfortunate but but it's true people will usually come to their conclusions. I emotionally and so we have to address those emotional challenges and then once we've gotten them to a point where they're a little bit more stable now. We can have a higher level conversation but a lot of times what happens. Is we try to persuade too soon. We don't take the time to empathize. We don't take the time to work through those emotional challenges and then we struggle well so the empathy piece is actually something that we we talk a lot about on. Hello monday good communication and how to be a good listener. How effective that can make other things in your life. When thing i was struck by reviewing your strategy was how focused he were on investing the time up front at doing that. Let's say you want to convince your boss that you should be put up for a promotion. You go into that conversation. I got to tell you that. I've already been in my professional life. For a couple of decades. I would be extremely nervous. I'd have my own sort of emotional metabolism to deal with. And i'd probably jump in there and try to get right to the point and after reading your material. I realized that's probably not the best way to approach it exactly so first. Let's let's take a new look at the the framework. It's used not for your external negotiations but also for your internal negotiations. It's going to be the exact same framework in certainly directed. So like you said jesse. I we have to address the nervousness so we need to resolve our own emotional challenges before we get into the conversation so again step. One acknowledged invalidate our own emotions. How do i feel. I feel nervous. That's okay right. I feel nervous and so then. Get curious with compassion. Why do i feel this way. Well i feel this way. Because i have family at home i feel like i deserve this and this is really really important to me. That's fantastic good so let's dig deeper and figure out where this motion is coming from. Now we understand that and then with joint problem-solving internally would we're doing is we're reconciling the differences between our hearts and our minds so one way to deal with nervousness in. This situation is to completely avoid conversation. Okay that's addis our emotional need but does that help us substantively. no so. That's not the right answer but so what we need to do is figure out what that solution is going to be. So we have a lot more clarity during the conversation right. So let's say we've gone through this process. Now we have the conversation and so jesse. Let's say you're my boss. And so what i'll do is i'll try to assess how you're seeing the situation right. This is the empathy. So jesse i wanted to take this opportunity to to get an idea of. What were you. See my future at this company. How do you see that going. Sit down listen okay so now. We're going to acknowledge and validate what we're seeing so it sounds like you're saying this it seems like you're saying this all right and so i've been here for a few years. I'm hoping that i can make some advances and what. I was hoping that i could get a fifteen percent raise and a title change. So we're just going to state that and then say i wanted to get your perspective on that again. Getting curious with compassion and so we keep on going through the cycle and if we see hesitation than we're going to use it sounds like it seems like again acknowledging that emotion it sounds like there's a little bit of hesitation when it comes to making this decision. Is that right okay. Can you tell me what your biggest concerns are empathizing because again. That's one of those opportunities where we jump into persuasion too soon. We try to counter. What the person just thought no. It's usually an emotional barrier. Let's address that emotional side before we get to the substance. Well that curiosity pieces so instructive there. E essentially took the pressure off the question being about me and my boss and you moved it to my performance and their expectations of my performance. Very deftly and it allowed us to be in the conversation and you also move right to your own curiosity about what they think rather than advancing what you think. The other thing you snuck in there was a way to talk about money without having to put a dollar figure on it. And i wanna stop their second because i think this is particularly true for women and for people of color he can really hard to summon the guts to attach a number two. What you want and say it out loud even to yourself in the mirror let alone. The person who's going to be doing the deciding. I wonder if you can just talk to that. And second thing is you will protect what you value right and so before we even get into these negotiations. We have to assess the level of value that we put on ourselves. What is it that we value. do i value myself. Do i value my career and sometimes the thing is. We're a little bit insecure. Do i deserve this. Or we're just happy to be there. I see that with a lot of minorities to listen. I'm doing better than anybody else in my family. I'm i'm just happy to be here. This is good enough. I'm not going to be ungrateful for my position. And so what. I've suggested people do is that they look at themselves. Almost like their own attorney. So let's think if i were representing myself. How would i handle this conversation or to make it even easier for you. Think about somebody that you love. So for instance my my wife right my my son okay. I'm a little bit afraid or hesitant to go into this conversation. But what if it was whitney. If whitney were here in this position and she wasn't being compensated fairly what would you say on her behalf. Okay now we're getting to understand what the tone should be. Now we're getting to understand how we should articulate that because when we put something that we value in that place. Then it helps us to articulate what we want a lot more clearly. That's a beautiful way of thinking of it is negotiating anything synonymous with winning any negotiation. It's all about winning but we have to see what winning means so we can win substantively. I can have this conversation. And i can get what i want. That's nice that's a clear win. But what if. I do everything the right way. But i don't get what i want. Because here's the thing. I mean i can do as much as i want. I could handle everything perfectly. The person's could still say no. You have a two year old right. They didn't know exactly right. No matter how you approach it. That could be the response. That's legitimate and so here's the thing there two goals. Every time in every single negotiation goal is to put ourselves in the best position for success. So we're gonna utilize the compassionate curiosity framework. We're going to treat people with respect. We're going to empathize and most importantly we're going to ask. A lot of great open ended questions. We're willing to do that in order to put ourselves in the best position for success because that's the best thing we can do. The second goal is to always improve every single time. We have an opportunity to have these conversations. It's an opportunity to improve. I'm think this morning this morning. I had a conversation in the gym. Because i i want to keep my bubble while i'm at the gym in. It's scary. I germs everywhere and there was a guy there who wasn't wearing a mask and so remember. I'm still recovering people pleaser. That doesn't go away. That's still inside me. And so i had to politely ask him. Hey would you mind wearing a mask when you're around because like oh yeah no problem. He did it. But jesse being honest with you remember. I have these conversations all the time i trained this. I'm a professor all the time right it was. It took me about fifteen minutes to work up the courage to have that conversation with him. But then talk about that a second because even as you were bringing that up i was seizing with nerves inside my chest because that happens to be one that i think a lot of a lot of listeners are confronted with all the time right now up to a stranger and ask them to take a move to protect your own health and it's also become weirdly politicized. It feels almost not personal anymore. And so let me not proud of this but let me tell you what i sometimes do. In those situations i think about it review it text. My wife about it decided. I don't need to be on the treadmill anyways. Go to the other side of the gym and then judge. The person silently the entire time there and go home and complain about them Where you summon the courage to have the conversation. What happens if the answer is no. So here's the two things. I having the conversation. That's where most people fail. They don't negotiate for themselves. That's how most people fail in these conversations so we have to take that step. I want to look this practice opportunity. Every time i do this i get stronger. I'm still practicing every day even as a professional in this. That's the first thing. The second thing is perspective is going to play a big role in this. And so i take a deathbed perspective. I say if. I look back on this moment when i am eighty. Ninety one hundred. Whatever when i'm passing away. How would i feel about how i performed in this situation. Will i respect the decision. That i made and so what i want to do. As much as possible as shift my perspective from a fear of failure to a fear of regret will. I be able to look back on myself in this moment and respect the decision that i made or will i regret not having the conversation and when i think about it this way it makes it clearer that the true failure would be not standing up for myself. In this moment it would be not advocating for myself. And so i it doesn't make it too much easier but it makes the decision a lot clearer and so it's like jumping into cold pool. You just have to take that dive and handle it and what usually happens when i have those conversations. It's usually not as bad as i think it is. We're gonna take a quick break when we come back. Kwami talks about the difference between the asking and giving an ultimatum. Hey it's just the wanted to tell you about another podcast from the lincoln editorial team it's hosted by our editor in chief. Dan roth and the show is called. This is working. And we have dan here in the studio right now pay down. Hello jessie so. Tell us about the show. This is working is a show where we sit down with incredible business leaders take a very wide view of who is a business leader and at the heart of. I'm trying to figure out how they manage themselves. And how they manage their companies. This is a topic that i've been interested in since i knew i wanted to be a business journalist and high school. I think that we spend so much of our lives trying to make sense of what we do. Every day. i knew so many incredible guests. Tell us who you've had. Diane von furstenberg bill gates. Richard branson are some of the big names and business. You would expect but other people who've been incredible to talk to a you're not typical business guests like shut up or patty jenkins the director of wonder woman who talked about how she negotiates her salary and why she does it really in the open. So take a listen. If you like what you hear feel free to check out dance podcast. This is working which is available wherever you get. Hello monday thanks. Dan breaks and we're back. My guest today is expert. Negotiator kwami christian comey's really smart about positioning requests. So they don't feel like attacks really. In the majority of these situations it comes down to their perceptions of liberty and freedom whether or not they have the rights and atonomy to live their life the way that they want to. And so in those situations where i don't have any leverage over them what i do is i say listen. You have a choice right if you want to say no. You can't say no but it would be really helpful for me because and this is one of those magic words in persuasion because because my wife is pregnant. She's asked me to be very careful about who. I'm around in how i'm around them. Would you mind wearing a mask. Oh yeah no problem made it a lot easier. Yeah and. I wonder what we can learn from rejection. That makes us better at negotiating. Oh this is great so two things first thing is rejection therapy so when you think about cognitive behavioral therapy they have exposure therapy. You need to expose yourself to the thing that scares you. The most and a lot of people like you said are afraid of rejection and it makes sense. Think about why. It's so important to to fear rejection. Why that's such an important motivating factor for humanity because if you think about it through a lens of evolutionary psychology you go back in the past where we're in our tribes if i'm rejected from my social circle that's death right because i need my people and so we all have this sense. It was very sensitive to the fear of rejection. If hurts in it hurts to the point where studies have demonstrated that. If you give an analgesic it actually reduces the pain that is experienced through rejection. How crazy is that. It's process like an actual physical pain and so it's very logical and reasonable that people have that fear of rejection now. What we can do is intentionally expose ourselves to rejection in order to overcome it and so this is what i do. I say okay. If i'm afraid that is a trigger that i need to do this and so what i started doing is asking for things that i didn't think that i would ever get an example going to a coffee shop and i had a kid. I was mentoring with me and so it was my birthday and they said oh. Mr christian has your birthday. Here's a free pastry said thank you. Well i'm here with my men. T can he get a free pastry to she said. I probably have to ask my manager. i said. Can you please ask your manager. I should not get this thing jesse. But i asked for it in order to get rejected so i can get over this. I'm doing this strategically but what what's really funny. Is that when you start doing this. You start getting a lot more yeses than you thought. And of course he got this free pastry. So i think that's something we need to consider. We need to work on overcoming that fear of rejection by intentionally exposing ourselves to rejection by asking for what we want. I love that. I think so. Often we just reject ourselves before we ever give anybody the opportunity reject us right exactly right and by a falling victim to that fear and letting that fear. Make the decision for us. We are guaranteeing the outcome that we feared the most. So we fear rejection. We fear failure so we choose to fail on our own terms. There's got to be an important lesson in writing the story the way that you want it to go before you enter into the conversation so that you're not seeing it the fear it but seeing it the way that your exciting experience so i wanna talk a little bit about the emotions that you have as the person who is entering into negotiation. Because i found that one thing that i'm still not great at is in the moment. If i'm nervous or if i'm afraid getting into that conversation and doing something like crying and you went to derail a conversation like that real quick that's how it makes everybody in the room nuts. So twit thoughts. Might you have on that front. Yeah so i've worked with a few people who have Crying as one of their not not a a response to sadness but usually it's a response to anger And what. I tell them this. Listen i've i haven't worked with anybody who's really been able to say all right. Yeah i did this thing. And then i stopped crying. I think that that's just their response. And so what. I tell people is you have to kinda almost lean into that and tell somebody beforehand what they could expect to say. Listen this is something. I care about a lot and sometimes when i care about something a lot i cry and i want you to know that you shouldn't freak out about. It's not a sign that i'm breaking down. It is just a sign that i care and so what we're doing. We're using the psychological principle of priming and so what we're telling them is like this is what you're going to see and when you see this this is what i want you to think because otherwise we're allowing them to control the narrative. Oh this is weakness right. That's what i'm seeing you know. No no no no my friend. I'm going to tell you what this means before you come up with your own story. That's less favorable to me. I love that. I love that. I'm gonna put it into practice immediately. Because you're right ultimately if i care about something and you're right. It's not when i'm sad. It's when i care so deeply about something regardless of the person's reaction to what i have to say that emotion is engendered and it's not always crying for people make there are a lot of different ways in which a motion impedes our ability to be good communicators. Absolutely we'll we'll think about this to there's There's a book by viktor. Frankl called man's search for meaning fantastic book. He was a jew in auschwitz. But he's also a psychologist and he was the person who came up with logo therapy reverse intention and so. Here's an example. I remember one time One of my friends. She was walking through a parking lot and a man made an advance aggressively and so she was able to avoid the situation but she came to the office and she was trembling. Just could not stop shaking. Her hands could not stop shaking. It was about ten to fifteen minutes. She's like i'm i feel more composed but my hands just cannot stop shaking. And so what i said was this. I want you to try to make your hands shake more. They're shaking this much. I want you to try to make them shake more a little bit more. A little bit more and what happened was they started to shake less. And so when you think about crying what often happens is that you try to hold it back. You tried to create these things saying no. I'm not gonna i'm not gonna feel this and by trying not to feel it. You feel it more and so you kinda just have lean into it. Just accept it. Because for me. Like i i do public speaking all the time all the time. And what's funny is that. I used to have a terrible fear of public speaking. I shake my voice would quiver. It was horrible and incredibly embarrassing. The thing is. I still feel that way but i changed the way i think about it. It's a joke to me at this point. Because i say okay instead of saying i'm feeling this physical expression because i'm nervous. I say i'm feeling this. I'm excited and it's great to be excited. I should be excited here. And so if you're somebody who cries site. Oh i really care about. This and i should care about this. This is important. And you'll probably find yourself crying a little bit less more. You lean into it and accept. That's who you are a wonderful way to think about it. I want to step back to that perspective suggestion that you made this idea that going into any difficult conversation. Think about what it's gonna feel like when you're a hundred years old what the outcome will mean to you. Then that makes me realize that. Some conversations are more difficult another Probably not gonna remember the man at the gym in the mask. I probably won't even remember. My manager may be a probably remember most of the conversations. I've had with my wife. Hope why is it that those conversations the ones that are not at work but in our personal life are so much harder. I talk about this all the time. I tell people as good as i am in the workplace. That's how bad i am at home. I really and so again. Remember what i said earlier about thinking about yourself as a lawyer. Your own attorney I started recognizing. I had to take that business persona that i had at work and bring it to home and most people would say. Oh you're going to be a cold lawyer jesse. Do i sound like a cold lawyer to you. I'm very empathetic right. And so. I just need to take that level of professionalism to my conversations at home because the reason why the form breaks down at home is because those conversations matter more the stakes are higher. I can quit my job. I can go to a different gym. But i can't can't just quit my wife that easily right and so the the stakes are so much higher at home. That's why it's going to have such a such a higher emotional toll on us. And i think we have to recognize that because i think a lot of times. We don't approach these conversations at home with the respect that they deserve and because of that were not on our game and then we make simple mistakes that we probably wouldn't make it work. Yeah and when you say that what really hits home for me is that. I don't bring the empathy to those conversations at home the way i might to somebody that i don't know as well who i'm curious about trying to understand i'm again. I'm not proud of this. But i feel like i'm probably day-to-day less curious about my wife because you know what i've lived with her for nine and a half years when in fact if i brought back that curiosity about her emotions where they were coming from where she was starting from i know most. It's probably go a lot better and we have a good marriage mind view. Yep same here is funny. We're we're like the same person because we have a young child and another one on the way right. So this is my. I've been married for ten years. And so here's the thing too. I feel as though i know you you know me. You should not only know me but no my intentions. No my heart's usa. Just get this. I should say at one time and you should get it right. How how do you not get it. And then we get more upset right but think about this day to day. We're finding out new things about ourselves. We've known ourselves for even longer and we're still finding out new things about ourselves so think about the level of arrogance that we have when it comes to interactions with our our significant others our family and friends when we say i already know what they think. They should already know me. This conversation should be easy and it's not easy. It's because they are being difficult right and so again if we bring that level of curiosity and just say you know what. I don't know i don't fully understand where they're coming from. You need to use the compassionate curiosity framework and maintain my form in this conversation. Things go a lot better. And i can tell a very clear difference when i do that and when i don't well said i'm well listen. Thank you for spending time with us today. Absolutely that was kwami christian director of the american negotiation network and host of podcast negotiate anything. Check it out making. This episode. 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Kwame Onwachi: Grit & Grace to "Overnight" Success

Art of Failure

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Kwame Onwachi: Grit & Grace to "Overnight" Success

"Take. Hey, everybody. Welcome to art of failure. I'm your host Steve Friedman. Thanks for tuning in. Yes. This is art of failure the podcast that explores what it means to fail as a human person. We all try so hard not to fail on a daily basis. And we also forget on a daily basis that failure is part of life, and that we can use failure as a catalyst for growth and movement towards bigger and better things. For the bottom to the top to the bottom and back up again. That's how we do it. When we experience failure we come back, sometimes it's a stunning comeback and our guest today. James beard, award winning chef balmy on watchi- is in the midst of a stunning comeback. Join us as we talk about his magic connection to cooking from prepping shrimp, for Gumbo, his mom's kitchen as a twelve year old to learn to butcher an animal without being wasteful while living in Nigeria for a couple of years in his early teens all the way to where he is right now. He paused his rocket for a bit to tell us what and how he has learned from his failures both private and very public award winning. Chef Kwami on watching coming up Qube watchi-. Thank you so much for doing this, you're on a rocket James beard award winner. What four days ago cover a food and wine thirty under thirty not only fours, but the got this unbelievable. Memoir notes for young black chef available on Amazon at everywhere. What the hell do you know about failure? Fail the punch of times in my career. I kind of look at failures learning experience more than anything betters failures not trying at all. If you come out of a situation, what's a better understanding of yourself for your at how is that really failing, you know, a lot of people get to really experienced that so, but when things didn't work out for me. And remember one of the first times was. When I had a catering company in New York City, and I had really hustle to decade and company. I mean I sold candy on the subway in order to save up for capital for this catering company, and started to build my clientele and build a name for myself in the city in parliament. I did this huge event. It was kind of like my launch party. And I was supposed to be only fifty people, it was that the Honey lounge and on my team street. Yes. Not around anymore. I remember but I rented. Yeah, I rented it out and publicist the PR team that are hired invited way too many people and over three hundred people showed up, and that's small little sleeve wanting food. I had no idea how to get food out of the kitchen and organized better for that. Be people and just went down in flames. And never forget it because that. That was the moment I was needed to step back in order to propel myself forward. So I, I didn't close a catering company, but I stopped operations for a little bit enrolled into the CIA, right. And got it, but it was my birthday and it was it was eleven eleven eleven. So it's funny that you use the term went down to lames as you said, three hundred people in that space. I'm thinking, oh, failure of the fire, marshal right there. Yeah. Wow. But it was just my ipad got still hosted. Stan, my car was towed when I went outside it was just one thing after the other, I Iraq there was a hole in my of. Yeah. Can you talk a little bit about early Kwami where you grew up in your parents, and that whole deal? Yeah, I grew up in the Bronx. New York me my mother. My sister my stepfather came on a little a little bit later. But it was the three of us. You know. And we. We had to bootstrap, you know, at a very early age. My mother was an accountant, and then she stopped doing that and started doing catering from the apartment, so me and my sister became, you know, her little brigade. Right. And we repeal in fabricate vegetables and stir ru it makes us is spoke wings, and all types of stuff. So that's what my early life was like, that's how food became really ingrained in my life. I remember reading about standing on a stool as three year old going to stir the pot, that's actually before your mom walked out and you mentioned something about understanding your feeling worry for the first time. But I'm like this guy was cooking early. Yeah. Which goes into the, you got into the gifted and talented program, which you said, help determine your future a little bit tells a little bit about that the gift an would have that in. Oh, that kind of like AP classes, you know, advanced classes that you take in high school. But it just starts at a very early age. You take this aptitude test when you're like three years old, right? And I'm pretty sure it's very simple questions. But it see how your problem solving is a very young age in that termines whether you're in this I wouldn't call it a fast track. But you're learning you know two or three grades ahead of you every single year. And you did that had a lot to do with the jump start. A determining future. You said something about that early in the book. I mean, I think it does. You know it it. Enhanced, my critical thinking and a very young age. You know, and I don't think even at that time, many parents, even do about it. You had to be you have to be aware about it even apply. Also talked about acting out early in your school career some racial bias, even though you're in the gifted and talented program the duality of living in the Bronx. This is all pre Nigeria stuff, can you talk about some of that stuff, especially with this family, the Gallaghers who seemed to be that rock for you and those kids who, who seem to act out, just as much as you did? But did not get called out the way you did. Yeah. You know, it's, it's interesting. You know it's all about perspective for me. You know, definitely having a parallel living in Nigeria, I was able to see how children we're perceived Nigeria children children. And but, you know, the kids. For me it, that Rafic in American that acted out that harsher punishments, then their friends that had a lighter skin colored them. So it's about perception. And that's the way that I, I perceive things, and you know, that this book is about is telling my story on this, it's telling a different perspective in hopes that people will take about the way that they're treating someone for they do it. When did you speak from Nigeria? When did you find out that your mom was sending you to, to Nigeria and can you talk a little bit about that? Yeah. Found out you sending me when I was in Nigeria. Vacation. Guess why you're staying? Exactly. I don't think I would have gotten on the plane had. She told me I was staying there for two years, but still was going there for a couple of months. And, you know, I drove to the call center called her after when I was coming home, because it was September school starting and she said, not coming home to learn respect so up until that point your, your sort of going through life, and she's feeling that you're being disrespectful in a large way. A lot of parents will send their kids to their room or maybe to live with a relative in the next town, but she sent you tonight Jiri. So what was happening lack of respect wise. I was just I was acting out, and in many ways, you know. And growing up in, in the Bronx, you know, it's easy to onto the wrong path, and get into more serious trouble. So she wanted to nip that in the but, you know, she wanted to ensure that wasn't in a body bag or jail cell. So luckily, we have an opportunity where I have family in Nigeria. She can't send me there, you know. Yeah. You know, it's interesting. I wanna I wanna hear a little bit about your dad, and, and how the acting out is related to that. And also, you know, you were around some Nigerian men, obviously, while you were there for a couple of years, and I I'm fortunate and blessed I get to work as a consultant, with a company called and della, which hires young folks from Nigeria and almost every morning of my life. I'm I'm Skyping with young young men and women from Nigeria and Kenya, who are about to be on boarded as software developers, and I've been to Legos and I just have grown to love love that country culture. And I'm just I'm always fascinated with the sort of strong, proud Nigerian man image. And I'm wondering what your thoughts are since you were there for two years? Strong Niger in men, if it's you know, I can't speak on all of that jury, I grew up in America. But I know how my grandfather tried to instill some values in a at a young age. And it was mostly based around our culture and tradition and. Being a good person, and your grandfather was a gentle soul. As you say, yet, your dad was sort of an angry dude, right? Like there's a disconnect there. Well, you know, I don't know how grandfather was with when he was my father's as I can't speak to that academics speak to the way that I experienced things you know. So sure you mentioned early that you sold candy to start that catering business. He sold drugs before candies that, right. So it usually the other way round like you make a progression from selling candy to drugs. He has. That's true. But I. Turn my life around. You know, I don't know. I could see the danger and selling drugs and where that was going to take me what path that was on. And you know, that's very interesting that you say that. 'cause yeah, that would be the natural progression candy in the third grade, and start selling Guinot, little nips of alcohol or something like that. But yeah, I mean, I think I'm I was working near the way around. And I was I was fortunate enough to that, you know, and what's enough to humble myself and see what I really wanted. You know what were the what were some of the outside influences that helps a kid turn his life around curiouser, you stop selling drums? Obviously, it was honestly, it was watching President Obama, walk across stage when he was elected. I just didn't think it was going to happen like a black president voted for him. You know, and I was very very optimistic. But when it happened, I was like pan. What was like what, like ten years ago, two thousand eight thirty four years before that is when Jim crow was yeah, let's hit, you know, my mother at the time was thirty three. So, like I was like, there's no way you know, this is gonna happen. Luckily, it speaking to your mom when you when you went to Baton Rouge, he moved into your mom's house. I know we're going all over the place time wise. She she gave you an ultimate him. Right. What was that tomato? To get a job or get out back tonight. You not back to Nigeria, but she said, find a job or leave she's trying to teach you because you had a couple of failures. I know before that, but she was trying to teach you land on your feet. Keep getting up exactly getting up. Let anything stop you. She I used to say like you have to working legs all of your limbs. There's no reason why you can't work interesting. Know I got my first job when I was fifteen years old like I Fisher job and. I don't think I've stopped working since then she's always instilled in me, this, this amazing work ethic, and not just a work ethic. But also this ability to rebound to bounce back. And you know, part of what fascinates me about failure, and trying to help young people. And by young. I mean, you know h three to one hundred and three how do we shorten the time from whatever the perceived failure is you talked about perception or the actual failure. And when we pick ourselves up industrial selves, often keep moving enough. I think about you and your career. You know, you your mom walked out the door at three you started to worry. You take that other to, you know, top chef and and pod. Miss says to you how did you make your waffles? You know that failure your favorite rooster getting his head chopped off. How, how does all that inform? What happened with Shaw Bijou in DC, and that, and that whole failure, which is obviously. Well documented, I'm just wondering. You know, you seem to have this armor at moving forward. And I'm wondering what those young failures helped keep going, you know, to keep going like starting nothing is ever perfect enough. You know you're never going to be a hundred percent ready to anything your business. Never gonna be at the perfect labor costs or not. Everything is going to be extremely organizers. You have to start somewhere, you know. And that's I mean, honestly, I can't say that I I'm any different than anyone else. But you just keep moving you're alive. And I think maybe being in Nigeria seeing what life can be like for a large population of the world lives, like you know, if you really take that into perspective, your failures are really not failures. You know, like you're able to try something that most people are not able to try. So if you think of things in that regard then. Just stuff off and keep going. That's a good perspective. I told the story before, but the morning of the election in two thousand sixteen. You know, I went to bed at whatever time, four o'clock in the morning feeling what I was feeling shock off the whole thing and two hours later. I woke up and there was totally cola mafi a young Nigerian woman who I was leading through a session coaching session, and it helped put things in perspective for me that you talk about some interesting politics, Nigeria politics. I mean, you know, just that's crazy. So I love that. You talked about that perspective, too. So, so just give us a little encapsulated version of the Shaw Bijou thing for the two people who might not know that. Restaurants in DC on a combination of. Two two and a half years of trying to get this thing off the ground. It was me and my really good friend Greg keener. We worked together New York we. Lived together culinary school together, we always had a team of opening restaurants gather. So we got a chance to do that. And we put our all into it. It was an old Italianate row house, two hundred years old, that we turned into a restaurant, it was global influence. And it was my chain restaurant and it lasted for about three months for closed. I know you got a was it the Washington Post gave you a negative review? Yeah. Negative is. He's relative in really, really bad reviews from him in, in the years, that I've lived in Washington. So when I look back on it now, I don't think it was that bad of a review, 'cause it was a first, then they come back, but it wasn't. It wasn't saver in any, any regard. So, yeah. Washington Post in Washington d didn't really favorable you. Sue the night, the actual moment. I don't know. You talked to the investors, whatever who's decision is that to, to shut the thing down. The owner. So he calls you. And he comes to the restaurant. I'm just interested in that that moment have a seat, I need to sell you something. Yeah. What are you want, essentially, he's like? We're in the you of like, okay, cool. You know, when just like yesterday right as I got up and walked away. That was that. You walked out. Yeah, it's nothing to talk about you knew you were closing the day before could have said something to us about it. And so, what's, what's the process this feeling of this restaurant failed? I mean for a second thing my career is over. You know, the press delete told him that pretty much all my fault, and the restaurant closed that he was a silent investor. And that came out out. So I was I was driving in the countryside. So I had no service. So I couldn't even like respond to anything, and I didn't want to go like tat and the press, so right? Let it be. And it was, you know, everything I've worked for, you know, the whole country was looking at this restaurant, and to see to see it just publicly fallen it's face. Was was really, really? But, you know, having people around you that believe in, you more than you believe in yourself. Really helps you kinda snap back having worked with these people. Before top chef or any, any acclaim in. That's. That's crucial to bouncing back with you're going to be around people that were just around you what you're up. They're gonna leave you. When you're down. Can we talk about that for a second? The friends and family, your fiancee, that the people that are closest to us, 'cause for me personally, if I feel that there's a failure is there's always this shame attached to it. And I'm almost I don't wanna talk about it because I'm afraid that they're going to think that I'm also a failure, and of course at almost is never the case. And I'm wondering how that process works for you, especially through the failure of that restaurant. For me like I said, I was around people that I've known for a long time for that house. And to the people that. Are whether they're happy that you feel whether they're upset at you, whether they're you know? Saying, like, really messed up things on on the internet, or you don't have your best interests at heart. So why would you ever listen to them? You don't know the struggles that I went through to get to where I'm at here. You know, judging me for something that you never attempted to yourself. You know, so insecurities lie within those people. So you shouldn't really be listening to those people. And that's why it's so important to have people around you that no, we truly are that believing you so they can pick you up, when you are having these low thoughts. I love the idea of laughing at the, the internet laughing at the comments section in particular, that seems to Hank everybody so much. You know, there's, there's the post, and then there's the comment section where we, we, we all say that we don't go to, but, you know, I'm not gonna go look on the comments section. Squirrel, squirrel, squirrel, squirrel growth outlook anymore. There's trolls out there that people like. They get they are. Yeah. Isn't it weird? It's a strange so strange. So strange so strange. But I also think leaving like yelp reviews, a strange and stuff like that. I think all of that strange. But that's just me. Let's talk about for two seconds, about imposter syndrome. Is that part of what you're going through now, particularly because you are on this rocket and things are, are just you just crushing life right now. Do you feel some imposter syndrome? Sometimes, I don't know what that is. You know, you're you. You've written this book. That's getting accolades thirty under thirty the James beard award. But sometimes your own. Hey, you're thinking, maybe, I'm not maybe I'm not this and I'm just on a lucky streak or it has nothing to do with me. I've worked at credibly hard since the shabas you is closed right? Trying to get back on my feet. Trying to get the trust back of DC working really hard on my restaurants. Opening new restaurants working eighteen hour days to the point of exhaustion, you know. So very validating throughout my career. Absolutely. Yeah. The reason I brought up the impostor syndrome things I, I know early in the book, there was a, there was a sentence, where he said something like I wonder if all the haters are right ear. Yeah. I think that's something that I think most people feel every now and then these are human emotions, and that's why I think the book resonated with. There was just Ron real talking about these things that no one wants to talk about. I don't know who I am, sometimes when I'm alone because after put on the face for everybody else, you know, and whether you're in the spotlight or not, you things remained shoe for most people, and it's. A journey to finding yourself. Well, I'm gonna ask you this final question then earlier in the book as well. You, you mentioned you know that there are several like all of us, but you have several different Qantas Kwami of your father's house Kwami of your mother's kitchen Kwami, the drug pin, and then you said the only Kwami I haven't settled on is Kwami alone when no one else's watching. So I'm wondering how you doing with that now? I think that'll be forever of all forever changing, you know, right now, I'm trying to find out what what I could do with my platform and. Inspire people and make sure the next young person. That's, that's like me knows that they have future in this industry, and they can achieve anything they put their mind to. That's awesome. And I just thought of great marketing thing for you, and we'll, and we'll hear about it ten or fifteen years down the road in a book called notes from a middle aged black chef and ten ten fifteen years, later, notes from an elderly black. Not just keep writing man. Kwami stake you so much for doing this. It's awesome to, to hear you. And to, to read about all your success, and it's only north from year. My friends, so thank you for talking about your failures. I really appreciate it. Absolutely. Thank you. Hey, thanks so much for listening to art of failure. I hope you'll join us again special thanks to cale fuss. -ment Sally Sanborn Noah Samborn, Friedman, Musi Friedman, my agents at C, E, S, D, Anita. Billy, Donna and Sam John MaGee and maranda Schaefer, Joanna Pinto my mom sunny, sisters, Marci, Michelle who witnessed many early failures. Thanks Barry Friedman so much for our music and special thanks to everyone out there who has experienced failure. I keeps moving forward. That's what we need to do. Let's remember that Winston Churchill defines success as the ability to move from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm, staying through Ciaston keep moving. And I'll see next time. Thanks for listening.

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