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Hang Up and Listen: The Last Last Dance

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Hang Up and Listen: The Last Last Dance

"Holiday season means stocking up on some essentials like decorations an ugly sweater with a bank of america. Cash rewards credit card. You can trust are in three percent cashback on online shopping. The essentials have never felt more rewarding visit bank of america dot com slash more rewarding to apply now copyright two thousand twenty bank of america corporation. This podcast contains explicit language. We do second Semi wife coming down felt like i was getting married. The familiar baritone voice you just heard belongs to. Michael jordan is january thirteenth nineteen ninety nine and he's in a crowded room at the united center home of the nba chicago bulls. I am here to to announce my retirement from the game of basketball It won't be another announcement to baseball or anything of that nature. This winter afternoon in chicago felt like it was really truly the end. Jordan's first retirement in nineteen ninety-three had been hastily organized affair. He was thirty then coming off of exhausting third straight championship run. He was also mourning the recent murder of his father james and he'd been dogged by rumors about his gambling habit. Then nineteen ninety-three season had been a hellish experience. He'd needed a break to go play baseball to clear his head. Jordan came back to the bulls after fifteen months off. And he'd win three more championships. He got the last win by nailing a game winning jumper over. Utah's brian russell. It was the perfect ending. Jordan's legacy was secure. This second retirement ceremony was different. More polished more michael jordan production. He came to the day with his wife. Juanita nba. Commissioner david stern and bulls owner jerry. Reinsdorf jordan was now nearly thirty six coming off of his second three peat. Time just need some time off. I'm a peace with a lot of those things. I know From a career standpoint I've accomplished everything. I could as an individual Right now i don't have the mental challenges That i've had in the past to see as a as as a basketball player jordan sounded certain but the reporters at the united center couldn't help prodding. Michael is there any chance whatsoever that you'll change your mind somewhere down the road and return. No i never say never but it ninety five ninety nine point. Nine percent number is security and decision you'll notice jordan. Didn't say one hundred percent the reporters notice to michael one last time for the record. Why do you have to walk out of here with that. One percent in your pocket because it's my warm percent or not yours. This time michael jordan stayed away for two full seasons. There's front page news tonight from sports to absolutely no one's surprise he's back again. Can he put the air back and do his game. If the advanced basketball age of thirty eight jordan didn't care about that perfect ending. He was going to write a new one for new team in a new city. Jordan's years as a shooting guard for the washington. Wizards have mostly vanished from our collective memory. Espn's ten hour documentary the last dance and with his sixth and final championship with the bulls as if his tenure with the wizards that espn series was about a champion one who pushed and sometimes punched his teammates. Victory in that story. jordan's commitment and competitiveness. Where the not so secret ingredient to his and their success but the story of jordan plo. Chicago isn't about winning. It isn't a fairy tale with a story. Book ending in washington jordan strengths became weaknesses in a wizard. The ultimate champion turned his back on his teammates and they turned their backs on him. How michael jordan end up in washington. Dc why couldn't you make the wizards into winners. And what does the final chapter of jordan's career reveal about him as a player and a person. My name is joel anderson. This is a special episode of hangup. Listen the last last dance. Michael jordan goes to washington. Washington's nba franchise wasn't always joke. The actually won a championship in nineteen. Seventy eight beck when they were known as the washington bullets in washington and bernie bickerstaff embracing over there as the washington. Bullets ulimately file off the law and the crowd. Here in the owner of the team was a poland. He bought a stake into vin baltimore. Bullets in nineteen sixty four then moved them to the dc suburbs a decade later that championship bullets. One thousand nine hundred. Seventy eight was a big deal in washington. The first title. One of the city's pro franchises and thirty six years. A poland died in two thousand nine. Here's a son robert. Polin was huge to him. We have this picture of him on the airplane going back with the trophy smile on his face. Oh yeah i mean he wore is ring every single day the rest of his life. The bullets made it to the finals again. The next season but this time they lost in the years that followed the bullets went into a tailspin phil. Chenier played on that. Seventy eight championship team then became a broadcaster for the bullets. We have some good players excited players in at the beginning of every year. We're looking at okay at this app. Is that this guy. Plays this guy plays. This happens but overall the team just wasn't being successful and the frustration was getting bigger bigger. Is you pushed on without being playoffs without sniffing the playoffs. It was tough. The french won just a single playoff series in the nineteen eighties ninety nineties. They were bad and totally irrelevant. Is michael jordan's chicago. Bulls came to dominate the nba. If he watched the last dance. You may remember one story about the bullets. In march nineteen ninety-three a young player named la bradford smith scored a career-high thirty seven points in a close loss to the bulls. He scored a lot of those points. While defended by michael jordan chenier was watching from a few feet away and he kept his eyes on smith after the game he kind of made a beeline towards where jordan was. And you can kind of see this exchange and it looked like. He had him on sundays status. A nice game it's unclear. Fla bradford smith actually said nice game but this was going to be one of the tiny perceived slights that michael jordan used to motivate himself a lesser players scoring on him and then having the goal to talk shit. Jordan wouldn't have that unfortunately for smith. The bullets and the bulls played again the next night. Michael takes it out the turnaround in the rematch. Jordan scored thirty six points in the first half. Lebron smith had been one of the bullets. best prospects. he was out of the league year later. But nineteen ninety-seven the bullets. a promising. young core led by juwan. Howard and chris webber that year. They made the playoffs for the first time. In nine seasons the first round opponent was not the opponent you wanna face in the first round have eliminated the washington bullets dramatic bathroom. Michael jordan's scoring fourteen fourth quarter a few weeks after jordan. And the bulls swept that series the washington franchise. It's name a poll and said that bullets connote killing violence and death and that a sports team should not be involved with that kind of a name. The new nickname wizards won out over seadogs express stallions and dragons but changing names didn't change the team's fortunes neither did moving to a new arena. The mci center downtown washington dc. Poland's team needed something or someone else in the best basketball player in the world. He was looking for a new job in november nineteen ninety nine michael jordan. Stop by the chicago bulls practice facility. A young bulls player corey. Benjamin had been talking about challenging jordan to a game of one on one jordan showed up that day to kick corey benjamin's ass which he did and he talked to reporters afterward and said i was in stopped playing still love basketball doubt but there is still are filling you happy with your life right now. So it's just a little break to get back. Picked him up. So i mean it's enough. I got enough opportunities. Played enough challenge golf his jack mccallum. He covered the nba for sports illustrated. Michael was a spokesman. But you didn't have the sense that he was plotting the steps to become an executive. And i remember larry bird's comment. What do you want to do when you retire. I want to be the fattest man driving out of boston in other words. I'm just going golf. That's what i saw for. Michael jordan was sincere about wanting to work in the nba in no place appealed to him quite like chicago. Problem was the team. He'd lead to six titles. Didn't want him around the bulls were shut off. I mean when that saying ended they were gone for whatever reason. The reason is actually pretty clear. After enduring years of criticism and at times bullying from jordan the bulls front office was done with him for the bulls. Jordan's abrasiveness wasn't worth it. If they were no longer contending for championships jordan was now a free agent in nineteen ninety nine. He backed out of talks to buy a stake in the charlotte hornets. The reportedly wouldn't give him enough control. Jordan also met with denver milwaukee and vancouver all struggling franchises looking for credibility boost and then another suitor emerged to get jordan. The washington wizards will have to give him total authority over basketball decision. Making that men stripping those responsibilities from franchise legend. Wes unseld wizards owner. Abe pollin agreed to that jordan would also get a stake in the franchise making him one of just a handful of black nba owners. Steve was the wizards beat writer for the washington post. The league was really behind. You really want to jordan back into the nba. Davis had a great relationship with a poland. Who is a wonderful man and who really wanted to win more than anything else and he was willing to work with the league to make that happen. The wizards were desperate. They traded away their young star chris. Webber and they'd start at the nineteen ninety nine two thousand season by losing twenty eight of their first forty games. Jordan seemed like their chance at redemption in january. Two thousand to washington wizards introduce jordan as the franchise's new president of basketball operations in that press conference. He made it clear that he wasn't miracle worker. As much as you guys may give me the respect being year and certainly the expectations. That are kind of set for myself. Because i used to shoot a basketball around pretty decent This team you're my my efforts to try to make this team a successful one screen. That's going to take some time but I look forward to the challenge. Michael jordan came to washington. Dc in a suit but there was always some speculation that he would trade it in for uniform. Here's rachel nichols beg. She was a sports writer for the washington post. Certainly anyone who covered michael in the late nineties didn't think when he walked off the court after that ninety eight season that lasts dance season that he was done as a player. Nobody thought oh man he better retire. He's lost it. Nobody thought that it wasn't however all michael jordan's just coming here undercover as an executive. And he's really gonna come play. It wasn't like that it was more of just maybe never know jordan inherited players. That weren't good enough to win on their own and from his spot in the front office there were only so many levers that jordan could pull after ten days on the job. He fired first year head. Coach gar heard when the wizards season was over jordan hired leonard hamilton from the university of miami and things only got worse on december. Sixth two thousand. The foreign fourteen wizards blew a huge lead to the five and fourteen. Los angeles clippers after the game. Jordan lost his shit. He stormed into the locker room and told the players they were a disgrace to the fans and had a loser's mentality jordan said he wanted to trade them away but the no teams wanted them. The boss wasn't exactly leading. By example jordan spent big chunks of time managing his personal business empire an playing golf. About twenty days. Each month. he'd be back home in illinois. Watch wizards games alone in its basement. Mike wise covered the nba for the new york times. His work at the gm was suspect. He was often out of town. He wasn't the guy working the phones he was still ahead of michael jordan inc. This became a moonlighting gig. Almost for michael jordan. The wizards finish the year. Nineteen and sixty three a month after the end of the regular season jordan earned his first meaningful victory in the front office. The franchise won the two thousand one. Nba draft lottery giving them the first overall selection and a chance for rebirth afterward. Jordan spoke to reporters on a conference call from the twelfth hole of a golf course. Eight on thomas came to washington into first big trade michael jordan ever made a toe injury sidelined thomas for the entire two thousand two thousand one season. Which would have been his first in. The nba came out to dc like last two games. Two games ooh law. This is terrible. I was like. I think they were born in the stands and it was like you know he's getting beat by a billion i think what like nineteen games that year. So i'm talking to other guys then again. You have a chance to play erica's as you see. This is bad. Thomas was working out at the wizards practice facility. When a pair of highly touted prospect showed up both just finished their senior seasons in high school their names were tyson chandler and kwami brown and kwami shield all of them. He wasn't even close. If the wizards had the top pick two years later. They could've taken lebron james but in two thousand one there was no consensus about the best player available. Kwami brown was an enticing gamble. Only nineteen years old brown already. Looked like a grown man is six foot eleven inches and two hundred and forty five pounds by this point. A bunch of guys drafted out of high school. Hit become huge stars. But none of them not kevin garnett kobe bryant. He'd been taking with the number one overall pick in two thousand and one nba draft. The washington wizards select warming round brunswick own draft night. Brown was the center of attention for just a couple of minutes moments. After the wizards picked him the tnt crew turned. Its attention to the wizards team president. What we got you there my call. You're joining broken ribs and a pickup game the week before the draft. The injury fueled speculation. That jordan was thinking of returning to the court. In march sports illustrated columnist. Rick reilly wrote. The jordan was ninety percent committed to making a comeback jordan denied the report even as the workouts continued beckett the draft the tnc panel featuring jordan's friend. Charles barkley pressed him about his plans and we tried to get some answers off charles. You're heavy you guys could share a special moment. Might nobody'll will reveal what you say on your real. Why don't worry about it you you get still the boss in later that night off camera barkley told a reporter. Michael wants to play. It was true. Jordan was working out hard six days a week up to six hours a day jordan de executive hit ballooned to two hundred and forty pounds. He was now back down to his playing weight of to twelve. Here's rachel nichols. It turned eventually into the worst kept secret in the world because he was holding these workouts with current mba players to sort of get himself back into shape and engage where he was people knew that he was doing it. And you didn't know if he was going to pol the final step of it and actually do it but we knew that he was looking to see if he could. Michael lahey was on the jordan. Beat for the washington post. He later published a book on. Jordan's time in dc called when nothing else matters months before that two thousand one draft jordan. Lahey that he'd never wanted to quit playing that he left the bulls only because his coach phil jackson had been forced out join fretted about his diminishing stature and the game about how kobe bryant and vince carter had replaced him as the faces of the league. It gets the competitor going. He said all the losses in washington will also taking their toll when he did show up. Two games in dc jordan set in a luxury box and he looked down at the faces of wizards fans staring up at him to him. Those faces said get on the court and fix this his jack mccallum. A sports illustrated sixty percent of it was wanting to get back there and forty percent of it was i can be. I can be better doing this. I think michael saw himself. That michael as an executive wasn't necessarily going to Going to get it done. Good morning air. Jordans taxiing for take-off legendary basketball great. Michael jordan is getting ready to return to the game. He loves today. Tuesday september eleventh. Two thousand one. Michael jordan's comeback was everyone's top story on the morning of september eleventh. That changed at eight forty six. Am eastern when american airlines flight. Eleven crashed into the world. Trade center in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks jordan decided to wouldn't be appropriate to call a big news conference two weeks later. He released a statement through his management agency. I am returning a player to the game. I love jordan. Said that the wizards a team that had just gone. Nineteen and sixty three. Would now be a playoff contender. A lot of people thought jordan was making a big mistake. His friend charles. Barkley said that was nothing positive for jordan to gain by coming back jordan. Responded it is first press conference as a wizards player. I'm not walking into this scenario thinking. I'm failing i'm walking into thinking. I'm coughing up. Pretty sure i can make it work. Can't if i sit here and listen to everyone else. Tell me that. I can't do it then. Obviously i wouldn't be here. His first game back against the new york knicks at madison square garden a month and a half after nine eleven the attacks still loomed over everything in american life. The thirty eight year old jordan. Who'd signed a two year contract with the wizards with a one million dollar starting salary. He pledged that entire amount to victims of terrorism. The day before the game jordan paid a visit to ground zero on the court. The starting lineups were introduced alongside members of the military from the united states. Navy aviation storekeepers. Second class getting from north carolina. Number twenty three michael jordan. It was quite a buildup even by the standards of michael jordan in new york. The game didn't live up to any of it jordan misses. I shot a pull up jumper in transition. He made a second a layup. His third was an air ball in the final seconds with a chance to tie the game. Jordan threw the ball away but then washington still back jordan wearing his trademark number twenty three on an unfamiliar dark blue jersey. Had one last chance michael jordan. These a hot down by creep. Thomas fall jordan's add some open. Looks five games into his. First comeback in nineteen ninety-five jordan had scored fifty five points against the nixon madison square garden. His famous double nickel on this night. He finished with nineteen or seven for twenty one shooting in a wizards loss. Three weeks later jordan. Shot eight for twenty six and another defeat. That dropped the wizards record to two nine. Worst of all jordan's body was breaking down. Let's take a quick break. You decided to upgrade your outdoor deck. So you ordered the essentials. A power washer said a patio chairs and a shiny new grill. And you used your bank of america. Cash rewards credit card choosing three percent cashback on online shopping up to five point two five percent as a preferred rewards member. 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Put himself through to get on the floor. You would have to get his knee drain. And it was like the grossest thing that i've ever seen slow like the elephant man and then they will come in with this long needle in drain it and there would be like this black tar goose stuff that will come out. It was disgusting. And so i don't even know if he was supposed to even be playing does on camera but what time we're sitting in the locker room and i looked over to my ass house like. Why are you doing this like honestly i was like. You don't have anything to prove your. Mj he didn't really answer. Like why are you even blame for basketball. People didn't see. The incredible thing was a physically compromise. Michael jordan was still michael jordan. Here steve wyatt of the washington post he had some moments. I mean he had some. I mean more than moments where he really he really played like m j one of those moments came on december twenty ninth. Two thousand one jordan went to that game against the charlotte hornets having scored a career. Low six points two nights earlier this would be a better night jordan for his first shot at the game has third of what he got thursday short for second shot. It's nothing short. He scored twenty four points in the first quarter. He had thirty four by halftime and at the end of the night jordan was flirting with history. Sort hundred jordan was the oldest player to ever score fifty points in a game afterwards. He said i wanted to make a statement. Offensively jordan was recovering from preseason injuries to his ribs and me in recapturing his old magic two nights later against new jersey. He put up forty five in another wizards victory lifting their record to sixteen and fourteen a month after that. The wizards trailed the cavs by one point with one point six seconds left. Everyone knew who was getting the ball city of cleveland jordan teammates. Mobbed him everything was working in. Everyone was happy all across america. Michael jordan was king eight. Thomas saw it firsthand. You know those videos where you see like wherever jay. It's on where he is going overseas and stuff like that. Acc big crowds there. And they're all just yelling screaming his name like trying to touch his arm and stuff like that or they like such as you. Don't be something like that happens. Bass out was with edgy door. Craziest thing i remember like is this is. This'll be a is like you say is like no. You're not free. madness brendan. Haywood was another young player on that wizards team. All our games martin. Tv like other players will come into the locker room trying to get shoot signed it was it was crazy to see like your konate. Walk over there. Hey make you sign a shoe and it's not a son when my boys was sitting the standard craziest story told me was. It was a dad and a son that was sit behind him. Mike wasn't playing well at night. Is daddy george. Orme got it no more. He said he said the damage that his son says son ever said about michael jordan un-american and late two thousand one in early two thousand and two michael jordan was still one of the best basketball players in the world heading into the all star break jordan and kobe bryant with the only guys in the league averaging more than twenty five points five rebounds and five assists the wizards who twenty six and twenty one and led the league in home attendance. Mike wise the new york times he'd been skeptical of jordan's latest comeback. But now we thought jordan was an mvp candidate. Wise wrote in january. That jordan had done the improbable again. He got his teammates. The once woeful wizards to believe in. I forgot that i wrote that gets. There was a real sense of excitement a poland. His business plan is paying off. But michael jordan is getting his end of the bargain. He's getting scratch that edge again. He worked really hard to come back. And i do think there was a belief early on it. Wouldn last the good times ended against sacramento in the final game before all star weekend after hitting a jumper in the second quarter jordan banged into avon thomas jordan dropped to the court grabbing his right knee. You gotta be kidding me. I don't this had not happened. It was weird because it's not like we hit that hard it was just wear it hit his knee. Jordan shook it off and lead the wizards to the fifth straight win but the toll of that collision and the grind to the nba schedule showed up three days later. At the all-star game in philadelphia jordan was only a week away from turning thirty nine. We win a four breakaway dunk. In the first quarter he looked at decade older. Oh gracious sakes two weeks later in a loss at miami jordan's knee was so sore that he couldn't play most of the fourth quarter after the game he told reporters. My mind is still consistent but my body isn't that it mission was a huge deal. The legend of michael jordan had been built around his indestructible. Eighty one no matter. What jordan was finely balanced to the obvious. His knee wouldn't get better if he kept playing on it. He had torn cartilage an injury. Likely exacerbated by refusal to give the knee arrest his competitiveness. it made him vulnerable. Jordan had surgery on february twenty seventh. Two thousand two jihadi white. Who played center for the wizards saw everything they'd built that year. Start to slip away less than halfway through season we started djelic. We definitely had a playoffs. Like my fair you know when playoff gum anybody win. I'm be a different person. He said and in my wind down got hurt three weeks. After jordan had surgery he tried to give it another go. He averaged a little more than twelve points in the next seven games on april second. He scored just two in the lost. His old coach phil jackson's los angeles lakers for jordan. That was it. He was done for the season. So with the wizards they'd finish the year. Thirty seven and forty five in out of the playoffs jordan could've ended his comeback here. He'd shown the be could still play. Forced body betrayed. Stopping would have been reasonable. The michael jordan didn't become michael jordan. Lobbying reason the wizards coach doug collins said that the greatest player of all time wasn't ready to quit what he said to me was. He's going to shut it down. Let the thing. He'll get the inflammation out of there and Whether that six weeks or eight weeks or might be and he's doing with the idea that he wants to Play next year. Michael jordan had always been a winner and he expected his teammates to be winners to jordan demand. Excellence and he didn't make those demands politely. Here's rachel nichols michael. Jordan did not have mercy for anyone when he was a player and as an executive and that included guys that he possibly should have been trying to nurture more. But that's just no michael. Jordan is in the fall of nineteen ninety-five. He punched his bulls. Teammate steve kerr in the face. During a team scrimmage in nineteen ninety seven ninety eight. He tormented another bulls teammate. Scott burrell calling him a dumb ass bitch and a ho in the last dance join argued that he was toughing. These guys up so that they'd come through when it mattered and the bulls did come through. You can't argue with six championships right. But maybe you didn't have to be that way. Those both teams had a lot going for them. They had scottie pippen. Horace grant and then. Dennis rodman plus phil. Jackson is the head coach. It's hard to imagine that jordan calling. Scott burrell ho is what put them over the top. The truth is some guys would have been better off if they'd never met jordan. Dennis hopson wasn't featured in the last dance but he played for the bulls in the early nineties. One of their teammates said that jordan's abuse ruined hopson that it broke him down mentally. The bulls traded hobson in nineteen ninety. One he was out of the nba and nineteen ninety-two the wizards players. I talked to said that jordan was a little easier on his teammates in washington. Here's johnny white. He can happen do that as much. And i think even more owning my kind of probably could understand that some time he can take a different perspective. A different route drive to do so. You only really tough with was kwami in his first. nba season. Kwame brown averaged four and a half points in three and a half rebounds in fourteen minutes game. Those were the worst numbers for number one draft. Pick in nearly thirty years michael jordan the executive hit draft the nineteen year old brown straight out of high school and when brown struggled early on jordan. The player lashed out. It was a tough relationship. And don't think that you can say probably would have been a superstar or if you've been morale's but it certainly was a lot harder because he started under that spotlight and he was never able to do everything michael wanted him to do. And it costs a lot of friction. Light kwami brown. Brendan haywood was a wizards rookie. In two thousand one. Unlike brown heywood had spent four years in college. We start at the university of north carolina. He's trying to learn all that stuff on the fly but more importantly no one ever identified that man. This is a immature kid right now. That's trying to fit into a grown man world. And mike did neither. But you know he's my either grains play a whole time is one championships. He expects a certain level. You know played with a high school guy before so he didn't understand he. We had to dumb it down for where we needed to talk to him. At certain way after jordan's first season as a wizards player. Michael he wrote in the washington post. The jordan had been patient with brown four week jordan thought. The rookie didn't work hard. Enough and then one day in practice brown complained that he'd been fouled according to lahey jordan exploded when he heard that any called his teammate. A homophobic slur at the time. Kwami brown didn't confirm or deny that account. All he said was. It was pretty rough. But that's michael jordan. More recently brown has denied the jordan ever called him a slur. He said it was just gossip to sell more papers or magazines. I don't know with michael. Jordan said to kwami brown and practice that day. Lahey declined an interview but he told me that he stands by its reporting jordan and brown both turned down my interview. Requests head coach. Doug collins didn't wanna talk either steve wyatt. The wizards beat writer told me he didn't hear it. Johnny white said the same thing. There is one thing. I can say with certainty. Kwame brown was desperate for kind of affirmation. That michael jordan would not give him brendan haywood again. I don't think. Mike realize that kwami. You're not a teammate to him you're michael jordan. He looks up to you. So when you yell at wami you take off confidence when you talk down to kwami. He feels like he's nothing. Kwami brown wasn't the only one in the locker room fell to connect with jordan. Jordan was at least fifteen years older than most of his wizards teammates. Many grown up idolizing him joined in mom being worshiped but he preferred the company of people his own age. His closest friend on the roster was thirty nine year old. Charles oakley a former bulls teammate. Who the wizards brought over in two thousand two in giving his extraordinary fame jordan was also understandably guarded around newcomers assad from oakley he mostly hung out with his bodyguards. His longtime trainer in a few other close acquaintances that was no great loss to the younger players. We would kind of like into different things. Man mike the smoke cigars and drink and drink his little wine. Playcalls gambled all night with the money that was on the table but and gamble with him. Barak could make an even make it a west coast trip. Tried again with them. Build so like gambling. I'm playing video even when we go out to mike trying to go to most. Is you know he's not trying to go to that spot. The wizards didn't need to get along off the court to get in sync on the court but the court thing that wasn't working either michael jordan would be back in a wizard form in the fall of two thousand and two. His most talented team made wouldn't be the wizards had two guys who averaged twenty points a game and the two thousand one two thousand two season michael jordan and a twenty four year olds shooting guard named rip hamilton. Hamilton was the wizards best young player. A building block that any smart franchiser wanna keep around. But if the wizards we're going to win with michael jordan they needed to do it immediately. He was too old and hobbled to wait on his teammates to develop just before jordan. Second season as a wizards player. The team traded hamilton for jerry. Stackhouse stackhouse had been compared to jordan as a college star in north carolina in the nba. He averaged thirty points a game in the two thousand two thousand one season the twenty seven year old small ford could take some of the scoring load off jordan. But he wasn't going to defer to him. Brendan haywood again heights. Looking for the next scottie. Pippen to be with them. Stacks looking for mike. Pass the torch. Obviously there was a mixup communication. So that they had almost like a weird. Like i will relationship on the team so the team was weird that you they never had words but it was an uneasy tension the jordan who back to the court in two thousand two needed help agent injuries that clearly slowed him down. Even compared to the j of two thousand one and yet jordan wasn't willing to play a supporting role. Here's jack mccallum sports illustrated. he can't come back to a teen and suddenly become a guy that's going to set picks and facilitate every. It's just not going to happen. House jerry stackhouse going to be jerry stackhouse with michael out there. Nobody was a better score than michael jordan. But before phil jackson took over as the bulls head coach in nineteen eighty nine. The nocco jordan was that he was too much of a ball hog to win a title. Jackson's greatest accomplishment was convincing jordan. That even the best player in the world couldn't win on his own. Michael jordan could be trusting under the right circumstances but he always believed it himself more than he believe in anyone else in their two thousand two season opener against the toronto raptors. The wizard shot thirty percent and scored just sixty eight points after the game. Stackhouse said they were out of sync jordan. Said it was pretty ugly. When jordan mr breakaway dunk. The crowd in toronto laughed. The plan for the season had been for jordan to come off the bench to save his energy and prevent another injury. Jordan and the wizards quickly scrapped. That idea in january. He played fifty three minutes in a double overtime win over the pacers finishing with forty one points and twelve rebounds after the game jordan wondered if it was the start of something big. We really need to laugh mukilteo and you just had stretches where have you couldn't put it together game. I think we've been putting together. But jordan only had so much left to give and it showed later that month and another game against toronto. The raptors came to washington having lost twelve of thirteen games and they had to. Nba minimum of eight players on their roster. One of them was twenty-three-year-old damone brown. He just been called up from the minor league. north charleston. locators time went on. I had a couple possessions whereas switch out on them or end up on on that. They're pretty good. That's brown at halftime. The raptors coach. Lenny wilkins told the six foot nine ford. He'd be guarding jordan. In the second half. I'm not gonna go out there and go like anybody in called myself. Joris sabra kobe. Staff or anything like that. I think i just got lucky on that day and was able to do my part of the test and making a dip. Paul brown is being humble but this was the best night of his mba career. He had thirteen points. The most ever scorer in the league jordan finished with twenty two but it took him twenty three shots to get their the raptors one eighty four to seventy five michael jordan hypnotists career and reputation by embarrassing guys like damone brown. But now it was jordan. Who was getting embarrassed. The wizards nineteen in nineteen and going nowhere for jordan the rest of the season would be a glorified retirement tour. It halftime of the two thousand and three all star game in atlanta mariah carey serenaded jordan. Carry war jordan's wizards jersey as address it. At the end of a medley. She brought him out. The mid quarter. Michael jordan had tears in his eyes as the approach carey and hugged the original crying jordan. Moment after a minute and a half standing ovation jordan address the crowd. I have passed on that. Dr j. some of the great players magic johnson larry bird is passed on to pass on threes. All starts here as well as in. Nba thank you. Thank you for your support can go home to the piece the game of basketball. A thieving graciousness stepping aside for the next generation of nba stars. But the truth was jordan. Had been totally gracious. Jordan had finished behind. Vince carter alan iverson and tracy mcgrady into all star voting. That meant for the first time in jordan's career. He was on the team as a reserve mccarter. Hit been pressured to give up his starting spot. So the jordan could hold onto the spotlight. This crowd wants so badly for michael to hit. That first shot these old for three airs poet. Michael offer five here at the start. Jordan would start the game over seven. Heat ended up nine for twenty seven from the field but in overtime he got the chance for one last storybook finish. This should have been it. Kobe bryant got fouled and tied the game with two free throws jordan. Got one more chance to win it but this time shawn marion swatted away. A shot jordan clearly winded set out the entire second overtime a week. After the all star game jordan celebrated his fortieth birthday at the ritz carlton in washington. Dc charles barkley was there so we're jazy beyond say and donald trump who brought along model girlfriend. Melania trump told the washington post the jordan's wife. Juanita did a wonderful job at the party and there was just great affection for michael six nights later against the new jersey nets jordan history for the final time. Another three throw kapoor the first time that old school forty or more kids should an nba game. Incredible jordan scored the go-ahead basket with thirty four seconds. Left lifting the wizards to the win. But nobody in washington was feeling optimistic jordan. Instead house never resolve their chemistry issues and kwami brown wasn't developing at all. Here's mike weiss again. The most damning thing. I remember hearing and god rest his soul. I can give up his anonymity now. West sun cell told me this. Wes unseld who died this june. At the age of seventy four was the most beloved figure in franchise history. He'd been with the team since nineteen sixty eight as a player and then an executive and he'd accepted a lesser role in the front office. When jordan came to washington he said michael has been great for many of us in this organization ways as raised the value of the franchise has made us respectable in other ways and yet he's poisoned the locker room and i go well i know that. How do i knew that. And he goes. I just went around and ask every player if they would chip in for retirement gift for him give him something nice all of them on me and said every plan unanimous. It's no wonder jordan's teammates weren't sad to see him go is washington seasons slipped away. Join took the belittling the younger wizards after he scored thirty nine points in a loss to the knicks. He said it's very disappointing. When a forty year old man has more desire than twenty five. Twenty six twenty three year. Old people. After a blowout defeat and phoenix. Jordan said. i'm not gonna try to save. This team is not my job. This was the petty cruelty of chicago years. But without the victories that made it come off as motivational michael. Lahey of the washington post ex-jordan jordan if publicly blasting his teammates might hurt them. Arou- jordan's response. The truth hurts. Michael jordan's last home game. On april fourteenth. Two thousand three was a total non event. Although it was officially a sell out there were empty seats scattered throughout the mci center. The only bit of spectacle came before tipoff when defense secretary donald rumsfeld gave jordan american flag. That flag had flown over the pentagon on the first anniversary of the september eleventh attacks. The game itself ended in another listless defeat for the wizards jordan scored twenty one points and didn't address the home crowd. Two nights later in philadelphia jordan. Better send-off sixers great. Dr j. in moses malone gave him a personalized golf cart in late in the fourth quarter with the sixers leading by twenty and jordan on the bench and warm ups. The crowd demanded an encore jerry jordan. The game with two thirty five left and hit two free throws giving him fifteen points for the night and then he checked back out. There's the end. Jordan was thirty six hundred eighty nine as the wizards team president and they were seventy four ninety during his two seasons as a player. The team never seriously contended for the playoffs. Jordan was no longer young enough to carry his teammates on the court. Any couldn't build a roster that gave him enough help. The wizards had neither a strong foundation nor bright future especially given to call me braun. Looked like a bust. Jordan would not apologize for bruising his teammates confidence or even for picking the wrong players. He still thought he was the man. Fix the wizards that he could fix everything that he never acknowledged screwing up friday as cinnamon retirement papers whenever that have to do that. And then from that point on. Obviously i wanna move back upstairs here steve. Why should the washington post everyone expected that when. Mj's playing tenuous over. He was gonna move back into the front office. The succession plan and ownership was already set place and within a day or two a michael's final game. You really begin to hear like apes going to let him go. I don't again j. knew that but you begin to hear like something is not right here. Something doesn't smell right year. Wizard sonar poland was indeed wary of bringing jordan back. He had alienated players in the locker room and failed to distinguish himself in the boardroom. Plus jordan had shown little interest building relationship with poland. Who is technically his boss. You could sense that. Abe was a wonderful man. He felt disrespected. Because you know look. I'm not gonna lie. Michael time street of the organization like it didn't exist before him was also clear. That jordan had no particular loyalty to poland or the wizards jordan had hinted as much after his final game. At the mci center. We have to have some discussion with management here and hopefully single is smooth. Expect in if not have other options jordan. Believe that he'd done a huge amount for the wizards and they'd sacrificed for the franchise giving up his ownership stake when he resumed his playing career. Now jordan thought he deserved to be rewarded. A raise your profile. Your arena sold out. The value of your team is two or three times greater than what it was. When i came here you should be grateful for that. You had two different perspectives in two different worlds trying to operate together. Which of course ended very ugly april and fired jordan on may seventh two thousand and three to the wizards owner. It was the inevitable. Dissolution of a partnership that it run its course. Here's a son robert poland. Who's now when economist at the university of massachusetts amherst michael felt like he had been promised something. And my father said you'd never were promised Your job back. In fact it would have been Against the league rules to have done that. So michael jordan. Getting fired is not something that michael jordan was used to so naturally he was very bitter in a statement jordan said that he was shocked by the decision and the callous refusal to offer me any justification to it. Joins teammates were shocked. The call game at all. It is a thomas. They basically used update for two years to drive up all their revenues change their dire franchise and then they said okay. You know that. Thank you for your services now. And here's brendan haywood. I think that taught me more life less. About how big you a big bank can take little bank especially if you black you know when you're twenty two twenty three twenty four years old. You're not really thinking about that joe. Treat michael joy that was jordan's final in washington the sixth time. Nba champion couldn't leave town fast enough. He went down to the mci center. Parking garage got into his mercedes. Convertible put the top down and drove away. Rachel nichols when he drove out of that parking lot. Nobody was sorry to see each other. Have the door hit them on the way out. Three years after getting fired in washington jordan bought a stake into nba charlotte. Bob cats in the past fourteen years jordan's team has lost. Fifty eight percent of their games in hasn't won a single playoff series. Poland says that track record confirms that his father made the right decision. You look at what he's done in charlotte. i mean. he is not a good team presidents or owner. He doesn't add a bill the champion. that doesn't include him. It's just a fact and the wizards two years after jordan got ousted washington finish forty five and thirty seven and made the playoffs for the first time since nineteen ninety-seven the guy who led them their head coach. Eddie jordan whatever. His shortcomings as an executive michael jordan legacy as a player wasn't diminished by his time in washington. He'd already gotten a perfect ending that six championship but jordan wanted a seventh title and he was willing to risk his reputation to go for it. All the cared about was winning. That's what made him a great player. Perhaps the greatest ever in a very difficult person. I think sometimes fans watch athletes into them. They're characters on the screen and they want the story of the character to end a certain way but the characters a real guy. And i think what he did in washington showed in some ways. The stretch of his greatness was even longer and wider and deeper than we thought. The idea. That people who love michael jordan. Just wanna forget. It is actually always a little silly to me. One person who doesn't seem to agree with that take is michael jordan himself. When jordan was inducted into the basketball hall of fame in two thousand nine he spoke for twenty two minutes. He told the guy who'd beaten him out for varsity spot in high school that their coach had made a huge mistake. He told his children that he was sorry that they'd have to live in his shadow and he recalled telling a bulls assistant that. There's not an i in team. But there's an i in win jordan. Say a single word about his time with the washington wizards to him. That wasn't a story worth telling this special episode of hang up and listen was produced by me and melissa kaplan with editorial direction josh levin sophie summer grant is our assistant producer. Michalis book on jordan's time with the wizards is titled when nothing else matters. Special thanks to ryan roberts and slates meghan calcium channel to ben mathis lilley stephan francis katie raeford alison benedict gabriel. Roth alicia montgomery june. Thomas and jared hold. Thanks for listening if you like this episode and want to hear more. You're in luck later this week. 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The Last Last Dance

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The Last Last Dance

"Holiday season means stocking up on some essentials like decorations an ugly sweater with a bank of america. Cash rewards credit card. You can trust are in three percent cashback on online shopping. The essentials have never felt more rewarding visit bank of america dot com slash more rewarding to apply now copyright two thousand twenty bank of america corporation. This podcast contains explicit language. We do second Semi wife coming down felt like i was getting married. The familiar baritone voice you just heard belongs to. Michael jordan is january thirteenth nineteen ninety nine and he's in a crowded room at the united center home of the nba chicago bulls. I am here to to announce my retirement from the game of basketball It won't be another announcement to baseball or anything of that nature. This winter afternoon in chicago felt like it was really truly the end. Jordan's first retirement in nineteen ninety-three had been hastily organized affair. He was thirty then coming off of exhausting third straight championship run. He was also mourning the recent murder of his father james and he'd been dogged by rumors about his gambling habit. Then nineteen ninety-three season had been a hellish experience. He'd needed a break to go play baseball to clear his head. Jordan came back to the bulls after fifteen months off. And he'd win three more championships. He got the last win by nailing a game winning jumper over. Utah's brian russell. It was the perfect ending. Jordan's legacy was secure. This second retirement ceremony was different. More polished more michael jordan production. He came to the day with his wife. Juanita nba. Commissioner david stern and bulls owner jerry. Reinsdorf jordan was now nearly thirty six coming off of his second three peat. This time he didn't just need some time off. I mean peace with a lot of those things. I know From a career standpoint I've accomplished everything. I could as an individual Right now i don't have the mental challenges That i've had in the past to see as a as as a basketball player jordan sounded certain but the reporters at the united center couldn't help prodding. Michael is there any chance whatsoever that you'll change your mind somewhere down the road and return. No i never say never but it ninety five ninety nine point. Nine percent number is secured and decision. You'll notice jordan. Didn't say one hundred percent the reporters notice to michael one last time for the record. Why do you have to walk out of here with that. One percent in your pocket because it's my warm percent or not yours. That's right this time. Michael jordan stayed away for two full seasons. There's front page news tonight from sports to absolutely no one's surprise he's back again. Can he put the air back and do his game. If the advanced basketball age of thirty eight jordan didn't care about that perfect ending. He was going to write a new one for new team in a new city. Jordan's years as a shooting guard for the washington. Wizards have mostly vanished from our collective memory. Espn's ten hour documentary the last dance and with his sixth and final championship with the bulls as if his tenure with the wizards and that is series was about a champion one who pushed and sometimes punched his teammates. Victory in that story. Jordan's commitment and competitiveness where the not so secret ingredient to his and their success but the story of jordan. Plo chicago isn't about winning. It isn't a fairy tale with a story. Book ending in washington jordan strengths became weaknesses in a wizard. The ultimate champion turned his back on his teammates and they turned their backs on him. How michael jordan end up in washington. Dc why couldn't you make the wizards into winners. And what does the final chapter of jordan's career reveal about him as a player and a person. My name is joel anderson. This is a special episode of hangup. Listen the last last dance. Michael jordan goes to washington. Washington's nba franchise wasn't always joke. The actually won a championship in nineteen. Seventy eight beck when they were known as the washington. Bullets beginning washington check out and bernie bickerstaff embracing over there as the washington. Bullets file off the law and the crowd. Here in the owner of the team was a poland. He bought a stake into vin baltimore. Bullets in nineteen sixty four then moved them to the dc suburbs a decade later that championship bullets. One thousand nine hundred. Seventy eight was a big deal in washington. The first title. One of the city's pro franchises and thirty six years. A poland died in two thousand nine. Here's a son robert. Polin was huge to him. We have this picture of him on the airplane going back with the trophy smile on his face. Oh yeah i mean he wore is ring every single day the rest of his life. The bullets made it to the finals again. The next season but this time they lost in the years that followed the bullets went into a tailspin phil. Chenier played on that. Seventy eight championship team then became a broadcaster for the bullets. We have some good players excited players in at the beginning of every year. We're looking at okay at this app. Is that this guy. Plays this guy plays. This happens but overall the team just wasn't being successful and the frustration was getting bigger bigger. Is you pushed on without being playoffs without sniffing the playoffs. It was tough. The french won just a single playoff series in the nineteen eighties ninety nineties. They were bad and totally irrelevant. Is michael jordan's chicago. Bulls came to dominate the nba. If he watched the last dance. You may remember one story about the bullets. In march nineteen ninety-three a young player named la bradford smith scored a career-high thirty seven points in a close loss to the bulls. He scored a lot of those points. While defended by michael jordan chenier was watching from a few feet away and he kept his eyes on smith after the game he kind of made a beeline towards where jordan was. And you can kind of see this exchange and it looked like. He had him on sundays status. A nice game it's unclear. Fla bradford smith actually said nice game but this was going to be one of the tiny perceived slights that michael jordan used to motivate himself a lesser players scoring on him and then having the goal to talk shit. Jordan wouldn't have that unfortunately for smith. The bullets and the bulls played again the next night. Michael takes it out the turnaround in the rematch. Jordan scored thirty six points in the first half. Lebron smith had been one of the bullets. best prospects. he was out of the league year later. But nineteen ninety-seven the bullets promising. Young core led by juwan howard and chris webber that year. They made the playoffs for the first time. In nine seasons the first round opponent was not the opponent you wanna face in. The first round have eliminated the washington. Bullets bathroom bike wiltord scoring fourteen fourth. Quarter a few weeks. After jordan and the bulls swept that series the washington franchise. Its name a poll and said that bullets connote killing violence and death and that a sports team should not be involved with that kind of a name. The new nickname wizards won out over seadogs stallions and dragons but changing names didn't change the team's fortunes neither did moving to a new arena. The mci center downtown washington dc. Poland's team needed something or someone else in the best basketball player in the world. He was looking for a new job in november nineteen ninety nine michael jordan. Stop by the chicago bulls practice facility. A young bulls player corey. Benjamin had been talking about challenging jordan to a game of one on one jordan showed up that day to kick corey benjamin's ass which he did and he talked to reporters afterward and said i was in stopped playing still love basketball doubt but there is still filling you happy with your life right now. So it's just a little break to get back. Picked him up. So i mean it's enough. I got enough opportunities. Played enough challenge golf his jack mccallum. He covered the nba for sports illustrated. Michael was a spokesman. But you didn't have the sense that he was plotting the steps to become an executive. And i remember larry bird's comment. What do you want to do when you retire. I want to be the fattest man driving out of boston in other words. I'm just going to golf. That's what i saw for. Michael jordan was sincere about wanting to work in the nba in no place appealed to him quite like chicago. Problem was the team. He'd lead to six titles. Didn't want him around the bulls were shut off. I mean when that saying ended they were gone for whatever reason. The reason is actually pretty clear. After enduring years of criticism and at times bullying from jordan the bulls front office was done with him for the bulls. Jordan's abrasiveness wasn't worth it. If they were no longer contending for championships jordan was now a free agent in nineteen ninety nine. He backed out of talks to buy a stake in the charlotte hornets. The reportedly wouldn't give him enough control. Jordan also met with denver milwaukee and vancouver all struggling franchises looking for credibility boost and then another suitor emerged to get jordan. The washington wizards will have to give him total authority over basketball decision. Making that men stripping those responsibilities from franchise legend. Wes unseld wizards owner. Abe polin agreed to that jordan would also get a stake in the franchise making him one of just a handful of black nba owners. Steve was the wizards beat writer for the washington post. The league was really behind. You really want to jordan back into the nba. Davis had a great relationship with a poland. Who is a wonderful man and who really wanted to win more than anything else and he was willing to work with the league to make that happen. The wizards were desperate. They traded away their young star chris. Webber and they'd start at the nineteen ninety nine two thousand season by losing twenty eight of their first forty games. Jordan seemed like their chance at redemption in january. Two thousand to washington wizards introduce jordan as the franchise's new president of basketball operations in that press conference. He made it clear that he wasn't miracle worker. As much as you guys may have give me the respect being year and certainly the expectations. That are kind of set for myself because i used to shoot a basketball around pretty decent This team you're my my efforts to try to make this team a successful one screen. That's going to take some time but I look forward to the challenge. Michael jordan came to washington. Dc in a suit but there was always some speculation that he would trade it in for uniform. Here's rachel nichols beg them. A sports writer for the washington post. Certainly anyone who covered michael in the late nineties didn't think when he walked off the court after that ninety eight season that lasts dance season that he was done as a player. Nobody thought oh man he better retire. He's lost it. Nobody thought that it wasn't however all michael jordan's just coming here undercover as an executive. And he's really gonna come play. It wasn't like that it was more of just maybe never know jordan inherited players. That weren't good enough to win on their own and from his spot in the front office there were only so many levers that jordan could pull after ten days on the job. He fired first year head. Coach gar heard when the wizards season was over jordan hired leonard hamilton from the university of miami and things only got worse on december. Sixth two thousand. The foreign fourteen wizards blew a huge lead to the five and fourteen. Los angeles clippers after the game. Jordan lost his shit. He stormed into the locker room and told the players they were a disgrace to the fans and had a loser's mentality jordan said he wanted to trade them away but the no teams wanted them. The boss wasn't exactly leading. By example jordan spent big chunks of time managing his personal business empire an playing golf. About twenty days. Each month. he'd be back home in illinois. Watch wizards games alone in its basement. Mike wise covered the nba for the new york times. His work at the gm was suspect. He was often out of town. He wasn't the guy working the phones he was still ahead of michael jordan inc. This became a moonlighting gig. Almost for michael jordan. The wizards finish the year. Nineteen and sixty three a month after the end of the regular season jordan earned his first meaningful victory in the front office. The franchise won the two thousand one. Nba draft lottery giving them the first overall selection and a chance for rebirth afterward. Jordan spoke to reporters on a conference call from the twelve hundred golf course. Eight on thomas came to washington into first big trade michael jordan ever made a toe injury sidelined thomas for the entire two thousand two thousand one season. Which would have been his first in. The nba came out to dc like last two games. Two games ooh law. This is terrible. I was like. I think they were born in the stands and it was like you know he's getting beat by a billion i think what like nineteen games that year. So i'm talking to other guys then again. You have a chance to play erica's as you see. This is bad. Thomas was working out at the wizards practice facility. When a pair of highly touted prospect showed up both just finished their senior seasons in high school their names were tyson chandler and kwami brown and kwami shelves all of them. He wasn't even close. If the wizards had the top pick two years later. They could've taken lebron james but in two thousand one there was no consensus about the best player available. Kwami brown was an enticing gamble. Only nineteen years old brown already. Looked like a grown man is six foot eleven inches and two hundred and forty five pounds by this point. A bunch of guys drafted out of high school. Hit become huge stars. But none of them not kevin garnett kobe bryant. He'd been taking with the number one overall pick in two thousand and one nba draft. The washington wizards select warming round brunswick own draft night. Brown was the center of attention for just a couple of minutes moments. After the wizards picked him the tnt crew turned. Its attention to the wizards team president. What we got you there my call. You're joining broken ribs and a pickup game the week before the draft. The injury fueled speculation. That jordan was thinking of returning to the court. In march sports illustrated columnist. Rick reilly wrote. The jordan was ninety percent committed to making a comeback jordan denied the report even as the workouts continued beckett the draft the tnc panel featuring jordan's friend. Charles barkley pressed him about his plans and we to get some answers off. Charles you're heavy. You guys could share a special moment. Might nobody will reveal what you say on your real. Why don't worry about it you you get still the boss. Later that night off camera barkley told a reporter. Michael wants to play. It was true. Jordan was working out hard six days a week up to six hours a day jordan de executive hit ballooned to two hundred and forty pounds. He was now back down to his playing weight of to twelve. Here's rachel nichols. It turned eventually into the worst kept secret in the world because he was holding these workouts with current mba players to sort of get himself back into shape and engage where he was people knew that he was doing it. And you didn't know if he was going to pol the final step of it and actually do it but we knew that he was looking to see if he could. Michael lahey was on the jordan. Beat for the washington post. He later published a book on. Jordan's time in dc called when nothing else matters months before that two thousand one draft jordan. Lahey that he'd never wanted to quit playing that he left the bulls only because his coach phil jackson had been forced out join fretted about his diminishing stature and the game about how kobe bryant and vince carter had replaced him as the faces of the league. It gets the competitor going. He said all the losses in washington will also taking their toll when he did show up. Two games in dc jordan set in a luxury box and he looked down at the faces of wizards fans staring up at him to him. Those faces said get on the court and fix this his jack mccallum. A sports illustrated sixty percent of it was wanting to get back there and forty percent of it was i can be. I can be better doing this. I think michael saw himself. That michael as an executive wasn't necessarily going to Going to get it done. Good morning air jordans taxiing for takeoff legendary basketball great. Michael jordan is getting ready to return to the game. He loves today. Tuesday september eleventh. Two thousand one. Michael jordan's comeback was everyone's top story on the morning of september eleventh. That changed at eight forty six. Am eastern when american airlines flight. Eleven crashed into the world. Trade center in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks jordan decided to wouldn't be appropriate to call a big news conference two weeks later. He released a statement through his management agency. I am returning a player to the game. I love jordan. Said that the wizards a team that had just gone. Nineteen and sixty three. Would now be a playoff contender. A lot of people thought jordan was making a big mistake. His friend charles. Barkley said that was nothing positive for jordan to gain by coming back jordan. Responded it is first press conference as a wizards player. I'm not walking into this scenario thinking. I'm failing i'm walking into thinking. I'm coughing up. Pretty sure i can make it work. Can't if i sit here and listen to everyone else. Tell me that. I can't do it then. Obviously i wouldn't be here. His first game back against the new york knicks at madison square garden a month and a half after nine eleven the attacks still loomed over everything in american life. The thirty eight year old jordan. Who'd signed a two year contract with the wizards with a one million dollar starting salary. He pledged that entire amount to victims of terrorism. The day before the game jordan paid a visit to ground zero on the court. The starting lineups were introduced alongside members of the military from the united states. Navy aviation storekeepers. Second class getting from north carolina. Number twenty three michael jordan. It was quite a buildup even by the standards of michael jordan in new york. The game didn't live up to any of it jordan misses. I shot a pull up jumper in transition. He made a second a layup. His third was an air ball in the final seconds with a chance to tie the game. Jordan threw the ball away but then washington still back jordan wearing his trademark number twenty three on an unfamiliar dark blue jersey. Had one last chance michael jordan. These hot down by creep. Thomas fall jordan's add. Some open. looks five games into his first. Comeback in nineteen ninety-five jordan had scored fifty five points against the nixon madison square garden. His famous double nickel on this night. He finished with nineteen or seven for twenty one shooting in a wizards loss. Three weeks later jordan. Shot eight for twenty six and another defeat. That dropped the wizards record to two nine. Worst of all jordan's body was breaking down. Let's take a quick break. You decided to upgrade your outdoor deck. So you ordered the essentials. A power washer said a patio chairs and a shiny new grill. And you used your bank of america. Cash rewards credit card choosing three percent cashback on online shopping up to five point two five percent as a preferred rewards member. 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Put himself through to get on the floor. You would have to get his knee drain. And it was like the grossest thing that i've ever seen slow like the elephant man and then they will come in with this long needle in drain it and there would be like this black tar goose stuff that will come out. It was disgusting. And so i don't even know if he was supposed to even be playing does on camera but what time we're sitting in the locker room and i looked over to my house like why are you doing this like honestly i was like. You don't have anything to prove your. Mj he didn't really answer but was like why. Are you even blame for basketball. People didn't see. The incredible thing was a physically compromise. Michael jordan was still michael jordan. Here steve wyatt of the washington post he had some moments. I mean he had some. I mean more than moments where he really he really played like m j one of those moments came on december twenty ninth. Two thousand one jordan went to that game against the charlotte hornets having scored a career. Low six points two nights earlier this would be a better night jordan for his first shot. The game has third of what he got thursday short for second screen shot. It's nothing short. He scored twenty four points in the first quarter. He had thirty four by halftime and at the end of the night jordan was flirting with history. Sort hundred jordan was the oldest player to ever score fifty points in a game afterwards. He said i wanted to make a statement. Offensively jordan was recovering from preseason injuries to his ribs and me in recapturing his old magic two nights later against new jersey. He put up forty five in another wizards victory lifting their record to sixteen and fourteen a month after that. The wizards trailed the cavs by one point with one point six seconds left. Everyone knew who was getting the ball city of cleveland jordan teammates. Mobbed him everything was working in. Everyone was happy all across america. Michael jordan was king eight. Thomas saw it firsthand. You know those videos where you see like wherever jay. It's where he is going overseas and stuff like that. Acc big crowds there. And they're all just yelling screaming his name like trying to touch his arm and stuff like that or they like big such as you. Don't be something like that happens. Bass out was with edgy. Will do it the craziest thing i remember like is this is. This'll be a is like you say is like no. You're not for madness. Brendan haywood was another young player on that wizards team. All our games martin. Tv like other players will come into the locker room trying to get shoot signed it was. It was crazy to see like your walk over there. Hey make you sign a shoe and it's not a son when my boys was sitting the standard craziest story told me was. It was a dad and a son that was sit behind him. Mike wasn't playing well at night. Is daddy george. Orme got it no more. He said he said the damage that his son says. Son say that about michael jordan un-american and late two thousand one in early two thousand and two michael jordan was still one of the best basketball players in the world heading into the all star break jordan and kobe bryant with the only guys in the league averaging more than twenty five points five rebounds and five assists the wizards who twenty six and twenty one and led the league in home attendance. Mike wise of the new york times he'd been skeptical of jordan's latest comeback. But now we thought jordan was an mvp candidate. Wise wrote in january. That jordan had done the improbable again. He got his teammates. The once woeful wizards to believe in. I forgot that i wrote that gets. There was a real sense of excitement a poland. His business plan is paying off. But michael jordan is getting his end of the bargain. He's getting scratch that edge again. He worked really hard to come back. And i do think there was a belief early on it. Wouldn last the good times ended against sacramento in the final game before all star weekend after hitting a jumper in the second quarter jordan banged into a thomas jordan dropped to the court grabbing his right knee. You gotta be kidding me. I don't this had not happened. It was weird because it's not like we hit that hard it was just wear it hit his knee. Jordan shook it off and lead the wizards to the fifth straight win but the toll of that collision and the grind of the nba schedule showed up three days later. At the all-star game in philadelphia jordan was only a week away from turning thirty nine. We win a four breakaway dunk. In the first quarter he looked at decade older. Oh gracious sakes two weeks later in a loss at miami jordan's knee was so sore that he couldn't play most of the fourth quarter after the game he told reporters. My mind is still consistent but my body isn't that it mission was a huge deal. The legend of michael jordan had been built around his indestructible. Eighty one no matter. What jordan was finely balanced to the obvious. His knee wouldn't get better if he kept playing on it. He had torn cartilage an injury. Likely exacerbated by refusal to give the knee arrest his competitiveness. it made him vulnerable. Jordan had surgery on february twenty seventh. Two thousand two jihadi white. Who played center for the wizards saw everything they'd built that year. Start to slip away less than halfway through season. We started a djelic. We definitely had a playoffs. Like my fair you know when playoff gum anybody win. I'm be a different person. He said and in my wind down got hurt three weeks. After jordan had surgery he tried to give it another go. He averaged a little more than twelve points in the next seven games on april second. He scored just two in lost. His old coach phil jackson's los angeles lakers for jordan. That was it. He was done for the season. So with the wizards they'd finish the year. Thirty seven and forty five in out of the playoffs Join could've ended his comeback here. He'd shown the be could still play. Forced body betrayed. Stopping would have been reasonable. The michael jordan didn't become michael jordan. Lobbying reason the wizards coach doug collins said that the greatest player of all time wasn't ready to quit what he said to me was. He's going to shut it down. Let the thing. He'll get the inflammation out of there and Whether that six weeks or eight weeks or might be doing with the idea that he wants to Play next year. Michael jordan had always been a winner and he expected his teammates to be winners to jordan demand. Excellence and he didn't make those demands politely. Here's rachel nichols michael. Jordan did not have mercy for anyone when he was a player and or even as an executive and that included guys that he possibly should have been trying to nurture more. But that's just no michael. Jordan is in the fall of nineteen ninety-five. He punched his bulls. Teammate steve kerr in the face. During a team scrimmage in nineteen ninety seven ninety eight. He tormented another bulls teammate. Scott burrell calling him a dumb ass bitch and a ho in the last dance join argued that he was toughing. These guys up so that they'd come through when it mattered and the bulls did come through. You can't argue with six championships right. But maybe you didn't have to be that way. Those bulls teams had a lot going for them. They had scottie pippen. Horace grant and then. Dennis rodman plus phil. Jackson is the head coach. It's hard to imagine that jordan calling. Scott burrell ho is what put them over the top. The truth is some guys would have been better off if they'd never met jordan. Dennis hopson wasn't featured in the last dance but he played for the bulls in the early nineties. One of their teammates said that jordan's abuse ruined hopson that it broke him down mentally. The bulls traded hobson in nineteen ninety. One he was out of the nba and nineteen ninety-two the wizards players. I talked to said that jordan was a little easier on his teammates in washington. Here's johnny white. He can happen do that as much. And i think even more owning my kind of probably could understand that some time he can take a different perspective. A different route drive to do so. You only really tough with was kwami in his first. nba season. Kwame brown averaged four and a half points in three and a half rebounds in fourteen minutes game. Those were the worst numbers for number one draft. Pick in nearly thirty years michael jordan the executive hit draft the nineteen year old brown straight out of high school and when brown struggled early on jordan. The player lashed out. It was a tough relationship. And don't think that you can say probably would have been a superstar or if you've been morale's but it certainly was a lot harder because he started under that spotlight and he was never able to do everything michael wanted him to do. And it costs a lot of friction like kwami. Brown brendan haywood was a wizards rookie. In two thousand one. Unlike brown heywood had spent four years in college. We start at the university of north carolina. He's trying to learn all that stuff on the fly but more importantly no one ever identified that man. This is a immature kid right now. That's trying to fit into a grown man world. And mike did neither. But you know he's my either grains play a whole time is one championships. He expects a certain level. You know played with a high school guy before so he didn't understand he. We had to dumb it down for them what we needed to talk to him. At certain way after jordan's first season as a wizards player. Michael he wrote in the washington post. The jordan had been patient with brown four week jordan thought. The rookie didn't work hard. Enough and then one day in practice brown complained that he'd been fouled according to lahey jordan exploded when he heard that any called his teammate. A homophobic slur at the time. Kwami brown didn't confirm or deny that account. All he said was. It was pretty rough. But that's michael jordan. More recently brown has denied the jordan ever called him a slur. He said it was just gossip to sell more papers or magazines. I don't know with michael. Jordan said to kwami brown in practice that day lahey declined an interview but he told me that he stands by its reporting jordan and brown both turned down my interview. Requests head coach. Doug collins didn't wanna talk either steve wyatt. The wizards beat writer told me he didn't hear it. Johnny white said the same thing. There is one thing. I can say with certainty. Kwame brown was desperate for kind of affirmation. That michael jordan would not give him brendan haywood again. I don't think. Mike realize that kwami. You're not a teammate to him you're michael jordan. He looks up to you. So when you yell at wami you take off confidence when you talk down to kwami. He feels like he's nothing. Kwami brown wasn't the only one in the locker room fell to connect with jordan. Jordan was at least fifteen years older than most of his wizards teammates. Many grown up idolizing him joined in mom being worshiped but he preferred the company of people his own age. His closest friend on the roster was thirty nine year old. Charles oakley a former bulls teammate. Who the wizards brought over in two thousand two in giving his extraordinary fame jordan was also understandably guarded around newcomers assad from oakley he mostly hang out with his bodyguards. His longtime trainer in a few other close acquaintances that was no great loss to the younger players. We would kind of like into different things. Man mike the smoke cigars and drink and drink his little wine. Playcalls gambled all night with the money. That was on the table. But i can gamble with him. Barak could make it active even make it a west coast trip. Tried again with them. Build so like hey gambling. I'm playing video even when we go out. I'm going to mike trying to go to most. Is you know he's not trying to go to that spot. The wizards didn't need to get along off the court to get in sync on the court but the court thing. That wasn't working either. Michael jordan would be back in a wizards uniform in the fall of two thousand and two. His most talented team made wouldn't be the wizards had two guys who averaged twenty points a game and the two thousand one two thousand two season michael jordan in a twenty four year olds shooting guard named rip hamilton. Hamilton was the wizards best young player. A building block that any smart franchiser wanna keep around. But if the wizards we're going to win with michael jordan they needed to do it immediately. He was too old and hobbled to wait on his teammates to develop just before jordan. Second season as a wizards player. The team traded hamilton for jerry. Stackhouse stackhouse had been compared to jordan as a college star in north carolina in the nba. He averaged thirty points a game in the two thousand two thousand one season the twenty seven year old small ford could take some of the scoring load off jordan. But he wasn't going to defer to him. Brendan haywood again heights. Looking for the next scottie. Pippen to be with them. Stacks looking for. Mike passed the torch. Obviously there was a mixup communication. So that they had almost like a weird. Like i will relationship on the team so the team was weird that you they never had words but it was an uneasy tension the jordan who back to the court in two thousand two needed help agent injuries that clearly slowed him down. Even compared to the j of two thousand one and yet jordan wasn't willing to play a supporting role. Here's jack mccallum sports illustrated. he can't come back to a teen and suddenly become a guy that's going to set picks and facilitate every. It's just not going to happen. House jerry stackhouse going to be jerry stackhouse with michael out there. Nobody was a better score than michael jordan. But before phil jackson took over as the bulls head coach in nineteen eighty nine. The nocco jordan was that he was too much of a ball hog to win a title. Jackson's greatest accomplishment was convincing jordan. That even the best player in the world couldn't win on his own. Michael jordan could be trusting under the right circumstances but he always believed it himself more than he believed in anyone else in their two thousand two season opener against the toronto raptors. The wizard shot thirty percent and scored just sixty eight points after the game. Stackhouse said they were out of sync jordan. Said it was pretty ugly. When jordan mr breakaway dunk. The crowd in toronto laughed. The plan for the season had been for jordan to come off the bench to save his energy and prevent another injury. Jordan and the wizards quickly scrapped. That idea in january. He played fifty three minutes in a double overtime win over the pacers finishing with forty one points and twelve rebounds after the game jordan wondered if it was the start of something big. We really needed to play. Well laugh muqata and you just had little stretches. Where have you couldn't put it together game. I think we've been putting together. But jordan only had so much left to give and it showed later that month and another game against toronto. The raptors came to washington having lost twelve of thirteen games and they had to. Nba minimum of players on their roster. One of them was twenty three year old. Damone brown he just been called up from the minor league north charleston. Locators time went on. I had a couple possessions whereas switch out on them or end up on on that. They're pretty good. That's brown at halftime. The raptors coach. Lenny wilkins told the six foot nine ford. He'd be guarding jordan. In the second half. I'm not gonna go out there and go like anybody in caused by myself. Joris sabra kobe. Staff or anything like that. I think i just got lucky on that day and was able to do my part of the test in making a dip. Paul brown is being humble but this was the best night of his mba career. He had thirteen points. The most ever scorer in the league jordan finished with twenty two but it took him twenty three shots to get their the raptors one eighty four to seventy five michael jordan hypnotists career and reputation by embarrassing guys like damone brown. But now it was jordan. Who was getting embarrassed. The wizards nineteen in nineteen and going nowhere for jordan the rest of the season would be a glorified retirement tour. It halftime of the two thousand and three all star game in atlanta mariah carey serenaded jordan. Carry war jordan's wizards jersey as address it. At the end of a medley. She brought him out the midpoint. Since michael jordan had tears in his eyes as the approach carey and hugged the original crying jordan moment after a minute and a half standing ovation jordan address the crowd. I have passed on that. Dr j. some of the great players magic johnson larry bird is passed on to pass on threes. All starts here as well as in. Nba thank you. Thank you for your support can go home to the piece the game of basketball. A thieving graciousness stepping aside for the next generation of nba stars. But the truth was jordan. Had been totally gracious. Jordan had finished behind. Vince carter alan iverson and tracy mcgrady into all star voting. That meant for the first time in jordan's career. He was on the team as a reserve mccarter. Hit been pressured to give up his starting spot. So the jordan could hold onto the spotlight. This crowd wants so badly for michael to hit. That first shot these old for three airs poet. Michael offer five here at the start. Jordan would start the game over seven. Heat ended up nine for twenty seven from the field but in overtime he got the chance for one last storybook finish. This should have been it. Kobe bryant got fouled and tied the game with two free throws jordan. Got one more chance to win it but this time shawn marion swatted away. A shot jordan clearly winded set out the entire second overtime a week. After the all star game jordan celebrated his fortieth birthday at the ritz carlton in washington. Dc charles barkley was there so we're jazy beyond say and donald trump who brought along model girlfriend. Melania trump told the washington post the jordan's wife. Juanita did a wonderful job at the party and there was just great affection for michael six nights later against the new jersey nets jordan history for the final time. Another three throw kapoor the first time that old school forty or more kids should an nba game. Incredible jordan scored the go-ahead basket with thirty four seconds. Left lifting the wizards to the win. But nobody in washington was feeling optimistic jordan. Instead house never resolve their chemistry issues and kwami brown wasn't developing at all. Here's mike weiss again. The most damning thing. I remember hearing and god rest his soul. I can give up his anonymity now. West sun cell told me this. Wes unseld who died this june. At the age of seventy four was the most beloved figure in franchise history. He'd been with the team since nineteen sixty eight as a player and then an executive and he'd accepted a lesser role in the front office. When jordan came to washington he said michael has been great for many of us in this organization ways as raised the value of the franchise has made us respectable in other ways and yet he's poisoned the locker room and i go well i know that. How do i knew that. And he goes. I just went around and ask every player if they would chip in for retirement gift for him give him something nice all of them turn their backs on me and said every plan unanimous. It's no wonder jordan's teammates weren't sad to see him go is washington seasons slipped away. Join took the belittling the younger wizards after he scored thirty nine points in a loss to the knicks. He said it's very disappointing. When a forty year old man has more desire than twenty five. Twenty six twenty three year. Old people. After a blowout defeat and phoenix. Jordan said. i'm not gonna try to save. This team is not my job. This was the petty cruelty of chicago years. But without the victories that made it come off as motivational michael. Lahey of the washington post ex-jordan if publicly blasting his teammates might hurt them arou- jordan's response. The truth hurts. Michael jordan's last home game. On april fourteenth. Two thousand three was a total non event. Although it was officially a sell out there were empty seats scattered throughout the mci center. The only bit of spectacle came before tipoff when defense secretary donald rumsfeld gave jordan american flag. That flag had flown over the pentagon on the first anniversary of the september eleventh attacks. The game itself ended in another listless defeat for the wizards jordan scored twenty one points and didn't address the home crowd. Two nights later in philadelphia jordan. Better sendoff sixers. Great dr j. In moses malone gave him a personalized golf cart in late in the fourth quarter with the sixers leading by twenty and jordan on the bench and warm ups. The crowd demanded an encore jerry jordan. The game with two thirty five left and hit two free throws giving him fifteen points for the night and then he checked back out. There's the end. Jordan was thirty six hundred. Eighty nine the wizards team president and they were seventy four ninety during his two seasons as a player the team never seriously contended for the play. Offs jordan was no longer young enough to carry his teammates on the court. Any couldn't build a roster that gave him enough help. The wizards had neither a strong foundation nor bright future especially given to call me braun. Looked like a bust. Jordan would not apologize for bruising his teammates confidence or even for picking the wrong players. He still thought he was the man. Fix the wizards that he could fix everything that he never acknowledged screwing up friday as cinnamon retirement papers whenever that have to do that. And then from that point on. Obviously i wanna move back upstairs here steve. Why should the washington post everyone expected that when. Mj's playing tenuous over. He was gonna move back into the front office. The succession plan and ownership was already set place and within a day or two a michael's final game. You really begin to hear like apes going to let him go. I don't again j. knew that but you begin to hear like something is not right here. Something doesn't smell right year. Wizard sonar a poland was indeed wary of bringing jordan back. He had alienated players in the locker room and failed to distinguish himself in the boardroom. Plus jordan had shown little interest building relationship with poland. Who is technically his boss. You could sense that a a wonderful man. He felt disrespected. Because you know. Look i'm not gonna lie. Michael time street of the organization like it didn't exist before him was also clear. That jordan had no particular loyalty to poland or the wizards jordan had hinted as much after his final game at the mci center. We have to have some discussion with management here. And hopefully single is smooth. Expect in if not have other options jordan. Believe that he'd done a huge amount for the wizards and they'd sacrificed for the franchise giving up his ownership stake when he resumed his playing career. Now jordan thought he deserved to be rewarded. A raise your profile. Your arena sold out. The value of your team is two or three times greater than what it was when i came here. You should be grateful for that. You had two different perspectives in two different worlds trying to operate together. Which of course ended very ugly april and fired jordan on may seventh two thousand and three to the wizards owner. It was the inevitable. Dissolution of a partnership that it run its course. Here's a son robert poland. Who's now when economist at the university of massachusetts amherst michael felt like he had been promised something. And my father said you'd never were promised Your job back. In fact it would have been Against the league rules to have done that. So michael jordan. Getting fired is not something that michael jordan was used to so naturally he was very bitter in a statement jordan said that he was shocked by the decision and the callous refusal to offer me any justification to it. Joins teammates were shocked. The call game at all. It is a thomas. They basically used update for two years to drive up all their revenues change their dire franchise and then they said okay. You know that. Thank you for your services now. And here's brendan haywood. I think that taught me more life less. About how big you a big bank can take little bank especially if you black you know when you're twenty two twenty three twenty four years old. You're not really thinking about that. Was like yo treat. Michael joy that was jordan's final in washington the sixth time. Nba champion couldn't leave town fast enough. He went down to the mci center. Parking garage got into his mercedes. Convertible put the top down and drove away. Rachel nichols when he drove out of that parking lot. Nobody was sorry to see each other. Have the door hit them on the way out. Three years after getting fired in washington jordan bought a stake into nba charlotte. Bob cats in the past fourteen years jordan's team has lost fifty eight percent of their games in hasn't won a single playoff series. Rubber poland says that track record confirms that his father made the right decision. You look at what he's done in charlotte. i mean. he is not a good team presidents or owner. He doesn't add a bill the champion. that doesn't include him. It's just a fact and the wizards two years after jordan got ousted washington finish forty five and thirty seven made the playoffs for the first time since nineteen ninety-seven the guy who led them their head coach. Eddie jordan whatever. His shortcomings as an executive michael jordan legacy as a player wasn't diminished by his time in washington. He'd already gotten a perfect ending that six championship but jordan wanted a seventh title and he was willing to risk his reputation to go for it. All the cared about was winning. That's what made him a great player. Perhaps the greatest ever in a very difficult person. I think sometimes fans watch athletes into them. They're characters on the screen and they want the story of the character to end a certain way but the characters a real guy. And i think what he did in washington showed in some ways. The stretch of his greatness was even longer and wider and deeper than we thought. The idea. That people who love michael jordan. Just wanna forget. It is actually always a little silly to me. One person who doesn't seem to agree with that take is michael jordan himself. When jordan was inducted into the basketball hall of fame in two thousand nine he spoke for twenty two minutes. He told the guy who'd beaten him out for varsity spot in high school that their coach had made a huge mistake. He told his children that he was sorry that they'd have to live in his shadow and he recalled telling a bulls assistant that. There's not an i in team. But there's an i in win jordan. Say a single word about his time with the washington wizards to him. That wasn't a story worth telling this special episode of hang up and listen was produced by me and melissa kaplan with editorial direction josh levin sophie summer grant is our assistant producer. Michalis book on jordan's time with the wizards is titled when nothing else matters. Special thanks to ryan roberts and slates meghan calcium channel to ben mathis lilley stephan francis katie raeford alison benedict gabriel. Roth alicia montgomery june. Thomas and jared hold. Thanks for listening if you like this episode and want to hear more. You're in luck later this week. 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Lakers Fast Break Episode One-Welcome To The Lakers Fast Break!

Pop Culture Cosmos

10:32 min | 1 year ago

Lakers Fast Break Episode One-Welcome To The Lakers Fast Break!

"Welcome to the Lakers fast-break podcast. This is Gerald Grou- offered by done shows on pop culture cosmos and also inside sports fantasy football. You hear those every single week. I've got a love for the Lakers so I'm here talk so much about the team at prospects going forward and with me. Today is an outstanding guest. He is the host of the unapologetically me podcast you gotta gotTa check it out today on soundcloud on the one week channel that's right the one number one a week channel on soundcloud. It's a good man indeed and he's here as a fellow. A Lakers fan purple ingle baby is Ms Moore Hall. I appreciate you having me on man. I'm doing good. I'm I'm excited to get into. I live on the East East Coast so there's not too many people to talk Lakers without here. Laker fans are everywhere. I've Seen Lakers jerseys all over the world China Philippines anywhere you go. There's Lakers fans always somewhere embedded in there. I mean you know it's no reason to wonder why they're one of the most popular franchises in all of sports works with the greatness and the sixteen world championships and all that but before I get into anything as far as the season or anything phantoms concern. I want to hear from you boomer real quick. Take your background with the Lakers your love for them. At what are your hopes for this season for the Los Angeles Lakers so it's actually kind of a funny story how I became a fan. When I was younger. I didn't even like sports that much but I would always root against the teams that my dad root for so the first game I ever watched in basketball and I don't even think I could comprehend like where the teams were from. It was the nets and the Lakers in the championship. Yeah being shipped. I WANNA say two thousand to maybe one of those years I think the third of the three if I'm not mistaken I think or I can't remember that was a while ago but my dad was rooting for the nets were from Connecticut so it made sense and naturally I started rooting for the Lakers and I just picked him. I and I've I've rolled with them all the way through. I know there's some people out there that save you. Don't live in the area. You can't be a real fan but I've I've stuck it out through the switch. Parker kwami Brown days obviously every year since we won back in two thousand ten and we haven't been very good sense though I've I been here since day one essentially so longer than most Lakers fans that are my age but I'm definitely excited for this year. Even last last year there was lots of excited for again Lebron but we definitely do not have a roster like this and just as far as death and an and everything this could be more talented than the teams that we won't with back in two thousand ten so there's definitely a lot to be excited for will definitely vegas shares Suzzie Azam. They're one of the highest rated picks to go far and win the NBA championship this season. They're really much along with the. LA CLIPPERS DECO FAVORITES Brits coming out of Vegas Right now as far as the odds are concerned obviously getting anthony. Davis is is a big coup for the Lakers. I've had a lot of issues US lately with the current management structure and the decision making that they've made but you know when you go ahead and have a chance to get Anthony Davis even if you have to overpay overpay you gotta go get it to just get this opportunity now mind you. There are several things will discuss this in future episodes as far as how they waited for Kurai why what that costume the team that they have now that they've constructed currently the weaknesses or strengths those things will go over it future broadcasts but I'll tell you what my affront the fact that they are looking like a health aside if they're healthy that's that it should be a playoff team regardless and with any any kind of lock or or just a good matchup or two they can really go far including. NBA World Championship is a possibility for this team. The Los Angeles Lakers for me that would be so satisfying to see them tied the Boston Celtics at seventeen world championships I was born in Inglewood California actually two two blocks away from the Los Angeles Forum so that tells you right there. I was just like it was my destiny love. The Los Angeles Lakers so heared Vegas now now so many years later. I'm starting this podcast something I've wanted to do for some time now that's centric and focused on. Los Angeles secrets but also the NBA as well because you cannot talk about the Lakers unless you have a full understanding of the MBA but right now boomer you and I are both excited because the prospects are there. There might might be a little more tweaking that need to be made. We'll have to see during the course of the season but definitely this is a great start for the Los Angeles. Lakers and fans do need to be excited for the season upcoming. No doubt you know I'm sure the beginning season will definitely be getting everyone acclimated because this is a a a brand new roster you know a lot of these guys have played together and like you said injuries could play a role to me comes down to consistency really we don't have the most consistent greatest shooters and obviously nowadays in the NBA. What if you don't have three point shooting. You're probably not GONNA win defensively. You know there's some guys I like to take off a place but I liked what Anthony Davis said the other day about wanting wanting to win defensive MVP in both him and Lebron making a all NBA team and you know if we could just keep both of those things consistent. There's there's no reason that we shouldn't be serious. Title contenders this year and before the season starts I know you myself. Hopefully you'll be able to come back on many many times. During the course of the program and also other guests we will break down the Lakers roster one by one by one as far as was good pickup was a someone that can really help the team or is it someone that maybe you know we're kind of regretting already as far as having on the team we'll talk about that including. Dwight Howard award including the situation booby cousins including whether or not Ridge on Rondo should be on the team. They'll just some hard questions. A lot of people have been asking Kyle Kuzma it. Is he ready to take that next step. Who is the number three on this team. Do the Lakers have enough on the roster to go all the way I mean these are all the major questions that we'll be you talking about on this show over the course of time not only in the weeks preceding the NBA season but as it develops we'll be giving you updates here right on the show. Show at boomer anytime you WANNA come on. You're going to go ahead and give us your thoughts on it because actually you being on the east coast. You have a different perspective on things because you know I don't WanNa say East Coast bias but all around you is east coast bias things from a different perspective that are truly think at this show will benefit from and I cannot thank you enough for being a part of it well. Hey you could just tell them. If anybody gives you smack on the Lakers. That's out there. You can just tell them. Hey you better than watching the Knicks at this point in time. No no doubt about that so yes. I'm definitely GONNA try to get on a few more times like I said I love talking about the team and there's not a whole lot of people around here feel that same enthusiasm so we'll leave it with this friend and I'll ask you one last thing. Is there any one particular player outside of course Anthony Davis and Mr Lebron James who are obviously the two marquee names and the two that have to stay healthy order for the Lakers to get to that next level to get into that championship mix to get into the playoff hunt. Is there any one one player but your point out exactly who needs to step up at become that number three if there's going to be a guy. I don't think there's any question it's going. GonNa be coups. Ma You know I think the biggest thing that was keeping him the last year at least obviously consistency with the jump shot if he could just get that more consistent assistant and just put a little more effort in on the defensive end because there's no reason a young athletic guy like that can't be good defender. He's an all star so I don't. I don't think there's any question that he as long as he just gets a little more consistent with the jump shot. He's the number three guy while he's very creative. On the offensive end I mean he's got got those floaters the jumpers and all those little tricks that he goes ahead and puts up against more athletic taller competition time in time out but H- you you hit it right on the head thirty percent last year from the point line that is not going to get it done. He needs to get it back up to what it was in his rookie season which was thirty six percent if he does that or a little bit more plus plays adequate defects he can get to that all star level deep just an outstanding perception right there aircr analysis from you and that's what we're looking for here on the Lakers fast-break podcasts boomer. I cannot thank you for stopping by just truly pleasure again. I really want watch it. Come on as much as you want to be part of this program as much as you want. If anyone out there has any questions on the LAKER season that I can ask boomer or any of the other guests are coming onto the show. Hey let us know we've got an email right there for yet laker's fastbreak at Yahoo Dot com or anyone of the other outlets I go ahead and do do things for either. The pop culture COSMO's inside sports humanity comedia- Ott basketball. You asked me that question. 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NFL Draft Props

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NFL Draft Props

"Into the game. You kind of your money. That's how you find out. All my bets were safe that wouldn't be any juice, juice point, spreads the prop bets. But teasers the parlays from Vegas to you. This. He's behind the bat. Welcome to the latest behind the beds podcast after a week off. We had to and then we had a week off into we're doing this on Tuesday, April twenty third the NFL draft is two days away. Obviously tons of NFL fans out there build up so John Murray's coming up. We're gonna talk about that. I have some picks on the draft. And also NBA playoffs were discussed that. And I have some good plays there. So that's coming up KAI? How are you? My man. Good, man. Could be back. Yeah. Good to see back in the chair ETV baby. Did you have another kid? I need to put through college. Not yet. No, no, other baby, bankroll bonanza. You know what I should have been on my game. I said have been having f- repair. So by Tom September comes be ready. Come on. But that's something. You can't really rush. Now. You'll be the first to know. Okay. Thank you. I appreciate that. By the way, you got pedicures lately, I have not. But you know, I'm not against it. And okay. Yeah. You got you got to get that in man, we take it. So those those listeners out there keep keep sending in those pedicure photos. I will mail out t shirts for you L D. You get mailing address and all that fun stuff. So appreciate the loyalty. And and and getting it on the fun for the free, T shirt and KAI. The show's going pretty well. I'm sure you're a loyal viewer of that. But we've been given out some winters there. Oh, yeah. For sure I love it every six o'clock. Yes. In news, sixty seven eastern Monday through Friday, SPN news and the ESPN app a lot of you have asked. Whether there's a podcast, we there's not, but you can go to the app and watch the archive show. So and you got gas. We have this the economy, we have this podcast. So speaking of which coming up John Murray moments away, we're gonna talk NBA playoffs at the back end some series, wrapping up tonight in theory than. Looking ahead. I think they're the series prices are really low on both the bucks and the raptors will get into that. And look ahead to warriors rockets as well and have some fun travel tips at the back end. So a lot of good stuff. And a lot of silly stuff. Coming up straight ahead. Piece. Started ticket writer will handle a lot higher here in the last hour. Now, he's racing sports. Book director, I have the guys at work. You're calling me Mr. director and not looking directly into my eyes wave people. But in a whole new staff this year, kind of Seinfeld esque move. He's rotate the guys to the material doesn't get stale one happened in between a hot tub and ESPN. Kickings for losers. Yes. It is. As we welcome in the one and only John Murray. How are you? My man doing good, man. It's good actually be in the office. It's been a lot of time on the road lately. But just in the office sitting at my desk watching television, big big news announcer, anything like that reading closer. I was in. I was in New Jersey New York last week which corner gave the super book USA team. And we're very close. They're good. Okay. So let's talk NFL draft before we get to the other sports in the playoffs. Just that's the power the NFL the offseason draft matters more than the playoffs of other sports. Not to me, and I have a lot of plays. I like we'll get to that. In a moment. I want to read you a quote for my recap last year. Recapping how the books lost money in the two thousand eighteen NFL draft. I thought there was no way team with a thirty seven year old quarterback would be dumb enough to draft a running back. I understand. I don't understand. Why these guys do what they do? I guess that's why they get fired all the time. Wow. That's a strong, quote who gave you that one and same that sounds like me to. No we had. I just we yesterday. He and I did the props and one thing I kept saying over and over again was don't ever underestimate a stupid. These teams are like he he would say he kept saying like, oh, there's no way. They would do x y and z. I'm like do these teams are so dumb. They might. They might do it. Well, it's just the unknown. Right. It's giant unknown. So before we get into place, and I've already fired. But I I want to just how do you go about this knowing we had mcshea talking yesterday with Mel kiper on the show yesterday? Just how and even he was like look so much going to change between now and Thursday knowing that like, how do you produce these lines? And are you just monitoring Twitter like, no other? I think the number one thing we did differently. This year versus last year was waited until yesterday put these up hoping that the market was a little bit more settled. I mean, I agree with mcshea lots going to change between now and Thursday. But you know, last year, we did it a few weeks before the draft. And that was just simply too. Soon. I mean, we've got a lot of other sports Ramana during to here. It's not like the NFL draft is the only thing on our plate. I it's hard for us to constantly be refreshing Twitter for every little draft rumor that comes across what are you looking at in terms of limits. Thousand dollars over the counters are limit on the on the NFL draft. And we've mostly take in mostly so far we've seen guys betting us numbers. We have other books in Vada. Gotta guys are betting us under. I think it's thirteen and a half on Dwayne Haskins. Some of the other books in town have a much lower number on him like six and a half around town. Yeah. And that was my first question was going to be Haskins that seemed to be the most disparity I saw six and half moved up the seven and a half at some spots. And I see you at thirteen and a half. Where would you like, what's what's the process there that on that just some of the stuff we've been reading that has falling in the draft? But that doesn't mean that some team won't reach up and grab them. I mean, I I actually was clicking through some mock draft yesterday. I saw one that had the Redskins trading their first router next year. And I think they're to this year to move up to number three to take Haskins in a trade with the jets, actually, I clicked out of that mock draft soon as I. I read that. 'cause I thought it was so stupid. But you never know the NFL I won't rule. I won't completely rule it out and even more. So in the last couple years we've seen bigger curve balls. Look, I believe as of Tuesday morning a year ago. Baker Mayfield was not even on the radar. Sam darnold with the number one pick. I definitely was right. Jews maybe Wednesday could've been as late as Wednesday that the Mayfield story came out. Yeah. No, it was it was definitely darnold. You're right. And even the year before that or two before that forget my time line, but you're Bisky John FOX didn't even know they were gonna take them. They traded up that. And then you saw this Holmes and Watson, right? Well, the quarterback is more valuable now than ever before. So these teams are aggressive about trading up to get a guy that they identify as the as their future franchise QB. But I think and I want to cut this quote out. So that when one of them ends up being good he can play it over and over again and make fun of me this fall. But I think all the quarterbacks in the draft stink. Wow. I don't think there's a franchise QB in the bunch. Now, the law of averages one of these guys is going to be good and make me look like an idiot, which is fine and is freezing cold take. But as we sit here now, I think these guys all stick, and I think three or four the guys that were drafted in the first round last year would all be the first overall pick this year because the quarterbacks are so bad in this draft certainly Mayfield and darnold would be. I think Allen probably would be to Lamar Jackson had a good rookie year. I think that this quarterback classes awful, would you endorse saquon Barkley number one overall this year no, I would not endorse sickle, and he's a running back for Christ's sake. No, I would not endorse the saquon Barkley. It is interesting. I think we were talking about this in the pod just like not the podcast, but the little work state work area, we have and we actually went through not that many hall of fame quarterbacks. We went through the hall of fame, and and of all those not many where in the first round. How many were modern era they're like twenty hall of fame quarterbacks? Now there's were on their way like meeting Brady. Yeah. All those guys. Yeah. Drew reason second round pick. I think wasn't. He. The pick of the second round to believe I would have to think the Philip rivers and Ben Rothlisberger will be in the hall of fame some day. And I don't know if KAI has an opinion on it. But maybe like manning whole fame so elite manning. Yeah. I think Patrick Mahomes is going to be in the hall fame one day, but I might be getting ahead of myself because the kids like twenty two years old. So so interesting drop, you mentioned all these quarterbacks are not your Cup of tea, so to speak the prop that's been getting hammered. And I'm already on the over is three and a half QB's in the first round. Now, you don't offer it, but you know, other places do you'd have to go over right? Yeah. I've seen that one around town. I don't know. I mean, you really think it's it's a guarantee that all four of those guys stick in the first round. I mean, I think you could see five I think that'll pro- you think it'd be five who's who's the fifth one. I think we'll Greer. I think there's a chance here over unders what thirty two and a half. That's my guy. We only listed. We have we have a Wilbur thirty seven and a half, we only listed will Greer because I went to WVU that was a nod to myself. Yeah. Thirty seven half, but it's actually been bet up to over minus one seventy here. So we've had people here betting us that he will go higher than that. Yeah. I would better. I have to asan's with quarterbacks they trade up. I mean, we just talked about even Watson and Mahomes. Now, they were I believe projected first round. But teams weren't almost you're telling me if you need a quarterback. You think he's the guy you're gonna care about adding a fourth rounder here and there no not for a quarterback for a quarterback. I if you think you've got the right guy QB, you just do what it takes to get him. I think that I think that's clear, but I I don't know that all for those guys are locks to go in the first round. I mean, I know last year a lot of people were betting over on the quarterbacks. And I think when Mark Jackson correct ended up being the thirty second pick. Yeah. I just went that went out not gonna look just barely got in there. So I usually teams at the back end of the draft or pretty set at quarterback. Although you will sometimes see teams at the beginning of the second round move up into the first round, take one. But I don't know. I think this quarterback classes really week. I think last year's class was just considerably better. And I I don't think much of the keys this year. I mean, I don't collar Murray. I still not sold on him as a as a quarterback. So it doesn't look like you guys have the proper. Will he go number one? Yeah, we closed that down. Yes. Today that was ED's decision yesterday morning before we opened just he said he'd been reading some stuff that. Murray might not go number one now, and we had that open for about six weeks. I think people had plenty of time to bet that one we knew we were offering these new this new menu of props on Monday. So you don't have any inside information. They're giving these relative no distant cousin. No, I don't have. I got nothing inside there. I don't know. I just I've read some things I've seen some quotes from some anonymous scouts basically referred to him as a baseball player. Let's say that. So I won't say who who I got that from. But. Okay. So so here's the thing you have to lay six dollars. I would not let five ninety some places. I I would not lay it even though I just they're just safer bets out there at minus six hundred right? I mean, if you're gonna go lay six hundred on a game or on on a situation, why not just do it on a game where I think you'd be better off playing like an NBA favorites series price or a boxing favorite, boxing favorite seemingly never lose. I I don't. You'd wanna do it minus six dollars on a on color Murray to be the first pick in the draft. I agree with you. I'd rather lay you offering nine hundred on the raptors tonight. Yeah. Anyone? No confidence in Orlando. Not not. I think we came. When was fluke. I just think that's a safer because of all the misinformation and smokescreens because for example, like there's there's reports that like the cardinals will keep both guys co both quarterbacks like there's no way that can happen. Your point don't underestimate the stupidity of. But there's no way you can do this guy dirty. Like, they did Rosen have all these reports. And then expecting to be humid lak- have him in the your locker room like with another quarterback competing for the job. I just don't see how that's a healthy situation. What you think people are writing off? Josh Rosen pretty quickly. I I mean, he it's not like he was in a really good position to succeed last year that AirAsia team was a complete train wreck from day one. And I don't think it was his fault. I don't I don't know. I didn't really watch much last year, frankly. But I do know that it's hard for a rookie quarterback to look good in a terrible terrible situation. And that's what he was in Zona. I agree. I I was big on Rosen coming out of college. I thought he was the best quarterback. Now, I'm not there at workouts. I'm not there. Wunderlich scores about their interviews. But from a far I liked him the most. So I have a rooting interest because I like to be right. But I agree. With you in that. I don't think there was enough out there. The just dismiss him especially when Cuyler Murray. I mean, look size is big not become an issue with Russell Wilson emerging and drew Brees playing. So well, I think teams are obviously more interested in the collar Murray thing, I think team would trade up for that spots. Even if the cardinals don't want them, I think they could trade down to two or three and get those or whatever. Right. So anyways, that's like where I am at that. So I'm surprised you guys have thirteen and a half four. Drew lock. That's an interesting once you have Haskins at thirteen and a half, right? And also locked. I would take. So the big thing is the Broncos. Right. That's the team that's supposedly loves him. Yeah. I mean, when you're when you're looking at these numbers, you're looking at which which teams are you projecting might take a quarterback? So you've gotta look at like which teams which teams need a QB and Miami is picking thirteenth. They need a QB. They're not hearing. They're not taking a QB. Oh, and that's very possible. It's just that. That's kind of how we structure around like we don't just come to that number thirteen randomly not attack you I'm just like talking. I wanna I'm okay with being attacked. Well, no, you're not attacking me. Ed salmon's is our head to work. He's an NFL Karna sore. So he he would be the one you'd be attacking. Well, he's a connoisseur of the NFL and the carnivore of you Murray. So you got to be careful. No. So this podcast. We do need to be careful. Yeah. So the Broncos at ten or the big sort of everything we read and everything I hear is that drew lock is the is the apple of John Elway. I if that's the right analogy how many times? Is that the is that is that the procreate expression the apple? Yeah. How many times is John Elway going to strike out on a QB? I mean, right. She gonna go down this road and a prop pet on number times. He strikes out a quarterback or Michael Jordan strikes out in the draft. Well, Michael Jordan's problem is he just draft the the big college star. He does it every time ain't Kwami Brown. Quami brown. It's true out number one overall. That was not a great pick. No. That was a bad draft though. If you remember back that I think that I think that the grizzlies to pogo soul third. He was like the only really good player out of that top group. I think because it was like Tyson Chandler Eddy curry, it was a tough one name three that. I'd rather have into the Quami Brown. Yeah. I think Shane Batty was the sixty m j struck out on quantity Brown come on. Let's be mean. Yeah. I mean, let's that's their job is the nail these picks. I like I really liked Broncos this Europe tone, some people around town how much I like Denver just because anytime you get rid of a really terrible coach the the whole team just get so much better. The whole culture changes we saw last year in Indianapolis with them getting rid of Chuck Gano. And we saw a couple years ago with LA getting rid of Jeff Fisher. And I think we're gonna see it in Denver. I think we're gonna see it in Green Bay. And I think we're gonna see it in Tampa Bay this season where they got rid of really bad coaches bringing in some fresh blood. I liked the Broncos. I just I hope they don't take a quarterback because I like them a lot less if they do take drew lock if they take a another player that can help them the season that would certainly make me like them that much more. Don't disagree. We've seen especially in the NFL. We've seen so many worse too. I so I'm okay there with that with that prediction. So. There's a lot of I mean, so tied-in TJ Hopkinson out of Iowa nine and a half seems pretty high. I would take over their plus one ten. Yeah. And that's a player that edit myself, really we really liked that guy a lot we think that guy's gonna be a super NFL player. But you know, what's kind of interesting about that one though is of all the props. We put up all the over under player props. I should say we've got the fewest bets on that teacher Hodkinson one. Nobody seems to want to bet us on that one at all. We've got almost no money on that whatsoever. Whereas all the other over under ones, we've got a pretty decent amount of handle right now. That's interesting. I would take over there. I think I know the mocks and all that I believe when I see tied and go that high and all these other teams like we talked about you just said that some teams in a trade up for a quarterback. I just feel there's a lot of moving parts and all these potential scenarios. It's more likely that teams trade up to not take Hopkinson where do you stand on decay Metcalf of ole miss where what do you think of that that you know, what's funny is wide receivers been really weird the last couple years, right? There's been I think that's probably been the weakest success rate. I think of all the prognosticators that fair. I think that's fair. And we kind of we've you him as sort of a workout warrior, right? Not really. Give them twenty five twenty and we've taken a lot of under bets and that that has been intentional on our part on part of myself in a vet. We we kind of want to knee him over. And right now, we do need him over for a small decision. It just from what I've read kind of a workout warrior can't run a route to save his life. I be a little surprised if somebody jumped on him that early. Yeah. It's just so funny. The reason I think it's been the weakest success rate is because that I feel every team is so different than what they like. Whereas in other situations other positions, there's a sort of Cecchi checklist of what they like, but with wide receiver. You can get the small fast guy, the big possession is just so different and everyone has their own appetite. And that's why we see guys who were projected to be like the third wide receiver out the board. Go the first wide receiver off the board. And that's what makes the wide receiver. I think there's value on the love these long shots to speak when you can get those props. I think Metcalf is the perfect example of what we were talking about earlier about putting these props up later closer to the draft. We'd done this a few weeks ago Metcalf would have had a much lower number than this because he was all the rage after the combine everybody's talking about him as physical freak with a great size and everybody had them going higher. And now the more mock drafts I look out he's slipping further and further. Down the board. So it's just a good lesson about putting these props too early which we certainly paid for last season over under for prop wide receivers. You can get a lot of places two and a half shaded to the over. I still would say under. But I I think that's a hard pass for me. The receiver. I really like is the kid from Arizona state. What's his name, Harry, Harry? Yeah. I I like that guy lot man that guy. I think he's really good. I like the kid from Iowa State to Akeem Butler, we listed him in a prop who will go first between him and Riley, Ridley of Georgia. Just 'cause I really I like Buller a lot. Yeah. I think I got my my my receivers mixed up. You you say the day. They're so nice job on that. It is it gets a little. It gets really tough. I mean, obviously these odds are I for me for my liking. I'd rather lay bigger juice on safer place because of the unknowns. I mean, if you compare the mock draft in previous years to what actually happen. There's all these trait. Everything you just don't know. And it was never my strength in the industry. Even when I was working in Vegas and broke a couple stories or at least part of the breaking of UNLV coach hiring or whatnot. But it was not something. I was good at because it was such a. I don't know. Shifty kinda shady interaction. Grad to be scoop. This scoop that share information, and it was a lot of currency of information going back and forth. It's really tough. And then people change their mind, right? You can have a lot of intentional smokescreen stuff to drive up the price and the of other things, so she's really complicated. So the stuff that I feel most confident I'd rather lay a bigger number. Well, it's very complicated. I mean, you look at the raiders I read that they sent home all their scouts because they didn't want any of their plans to leak. I mean, if that doesn't prove to you just how precious this information is I don't think anything will. Or is this mind, the Reiter this functional the raiders are? Well, that's also very possible. Vader's the raiders that that's a team. I I don't I don't like them at all this year. I don't think that I'm going out on a limb there, but I I don't I can't get a handle on what they're doing. I thought that they were correctly to an extent rebuilding but trading for all those draft choices. And then then they go out in the off season. And they spend all this money and free agency on older players. I I don't know what the heck they're doing. Well, it's just the nature of John gruden's gonna like the next next Chinese thing. Well, that's just not there's no good way to well that that's kind of the Redskins problem too. And has been for years. They don't have a plan. They don't have a plan of like here. Here's our three year plan. Here's our five year plan. They just fly by the seat of their pants. That's why it wouldn't surprise me. If they were dumb enough to to draft a quarterback fifteenth that wouldn't shock me. They might just simply go we need a quarterback. Who's the next best quarterback? We'll take them. I mean, they're that stupid. They could do that interesting. Interesting Armagh, man. So any any other sharp action, you've taken us not just middle or or whatever? I mean, it's that's mostly what we're getting guys just middling us. So we did take a few bets on over thirteen and a half Christian Wilkins. He's the really disruptive DT from Clemson at a great national championship game. And we took a number of bets on Rashawn Gary over eleven and a half. We actually decided to close that one this morning not because of the betting, but just because of some of the. Stuff. We're reading on Twitter about his he's got a torn labrum or how did torn labrum? But I read another guy on Twitter speculating that might be a smokescreen that team is sending out the scare other teams off. So that they can take Rashawn Gary. Right. So and he was certainly very effective college player at Michigan. He was very very highly touted high school recruit, you know. So the pedigree's there for this guy to be a stud player of the NFL. So what it shocked me if somebody took him in the top ten no not at all. I'm here in the giants. Go defense. So I would not do one of those props. I would take there's some there's some Ozzy and get a linebacker for the giants at twelve to one. I think I saw. And I thought that's really sharp. Look, here's the thing. Gimme a twelve to one quivalent in sports. Right. So that's like the warrior excuse me, the clippers to win outright tonight. Yeah. That line is not gonna move to like six to one five to one by tip off. Right. I doubt if it did. I'd be happy to make a bet on it. Right. So basically what you're saying? That would be like if both rain and curry were ruled out. Yeah. Eleven so much volatility in these prop the juice and the numbers that walking in some twelve to one could be like five to one by draft. Yeah. Limits are so low and there's so much movement and information. So I think there's just but you're not gonna get that anywhere else on the board. But just up in for listeners to keep in mind. I've seen a draft offerings in New Jersey. All I have to say is be careful to those bookies out there. What do you meet because? Well, this is not an easy thing to book I've seen how much stuff they put up. I wouldn't be surprised if they learn a similar less than the one that we learn the last couple of years. Gotcha. It's just a market. That's ninety nine point nine percent wise guy. I mean, there's just no public money and stuff. Slew and it's fluid. So betters out there listening. You guys can get good value on stuff because it's gonna move. And like you said it's not like it's a boxing dog or whatever where there's just no upsets and the volatile the fluidity, I guess is a better word. So I like it. My man sharp line. I really I mean that's about that's about all we thought we touched on Gary we touched on Wilkins. There's really not much. I mean, we had a number of people bet under thirty four and a half on Josh Jacobs. And he's the Alabama running back and actually sends a ESPN's Ben FOX texted me yesterday afternoon said he wished that he could bet that here. And I said, hey, we're open. Ben just hop on a plane one hundred gas up the burn out. But no, I mean, I get it. And I know he's been linked to the raiders the raiders with two picks of the back end of the first round. But this is just me dying on that hill. Again, the teams aren't dumb enough to take running back. So we might lose on that one again. But we'll see hopefully, it won't be fatal. I like her there. All these are all relatively small decisions. I should clarify. Right. None. None of these decisions are are gonna make or break our month. All right. That's going to do it for the NFL portion of the podcast. We'll talk NBA playoffs in a moment. But first if you guys are looking for the best UFC content out there, check out my buddy, aerial hill. Wani he does a podcast every Monday and Wednesday with the best fighters, trainers and riders. So check him out by searching aerial Awani. Wherever you listen to your podcast is a good con. Great contact good. Listen, go check it out. Man. Let's switch gears to the NBA greatest time of year. I I don't know where to start. So let's start with the first round. There's only the point spread is only mattered in two games. So far. Yeah. That is interesting ways. They would I made by that. There's only two times as the underdog covered without winning outright. Okay. So that was last Friday Toronto and Orlando Toronto could not get the rebounds. Orlando got three shots down five and an expired the clock at five in the they covered five and a half. And then Sunday, the clippers covered nine and a half. Yeah. When was eleven they gave a layup. And then off its Fallon Steph when they're trying to follow him at eight, and it could have gone to ten if you made both. And so that's the only times that the underdog is covered with now the underdogs of covered when they've won outright true. But that means we are at thirty two playoff games thirty of which the underdog covered with that winning outright by comparison last year. Twenty five percent of the games twenty eighty that the underdog covered without winning outright. What are you? What are your takeaways from the first round so far? I mean, I think I've seen some people complaining about some of the games. But to me were the table is set for exact match we've been wanting to see all year. Like, we've always known those four teams in the east. We're after Viktor L A depot got hurt especially we knew we were going to have those four teams probably playing in the conference semifinals in the east. And I think those match are going to be great. And then certainly Golden State Houston in the west should be a great series as well. Yeah. I'm glad no one's screwing it up. I mean, you know, like, I'm glad the nets screw it up by winning. Yeah. I want them like I mean, look I like him. I thought I took them plus two and a half games in a prop and I'm annoyed that didn't win one of the two at home. And they got I think they got job by the officials. I don't I don't blame. Sean marks. All of that. That's a great story going into locker. Hey, guys looked like anything's going to happen that you can change the outcome. But yeah, just feel like really was trying to go. Check his grade guys. Use me excuse me. Got to check out migrate here. You see Sean marks doing that? Try to get the the referee locker room. But I I I don't want the best. I just want. I just didn't want to strip some now. But also people complaining about blowouts like I don't get it like there. Those are great betting opportunities like warriors fourth quarter unders great betting opportunity. I enjoyed Brooklyn plus three on Saturday. That was a horrendous beat. I think Philadelphia ended up winning by four in that game. If I remember correctly that that was a tough one. I I watched the Golden State LA game on Sunday afternoon. I watched some of that game. I didn't see the I didn't see the the jazz rockets game were hard and missed his first fifteen shots. I just read about it. But that's spectacular. I read he went three for twenty. I mean, that's like that's like Michael Jordan in the late nineties. Those bulls finals teams when he would go like six for twenty but they put him on the free throw line twenty times. So they so you end up with like twenty five points. Anyway, that's impressive stuff. Well, it's interesting in that he was like dishing a lot right? A lot of it was passing. And then I don't know. It's just it's just it. It was fascinating to watch him miss so many well that doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in the rockets considering that their point Golden State in the next round. If you've hardens gonna miss for fifteen shots in a game. That's not very good. Why you guys came out pretty high? I was a little disappointed. I wanted to be lower. So I can jump on the warriors. Yeah. We we open it three sixty. And then we we ended up going bumping up to four dollars morning. And I think it's gonna be a case where the public is gonna probably look back Houston on the series. I should say. But I I certainly expect Golden State to flip that switch. They have and advance to the next round. Well, a couple of things. And then I agree. One is at home court this year, they did not have it last year troop number two. I think bogut is much better than people realize I'm on. I'm not gonna say any glad ain't got hurt. I just wish boogie was coming off the bench with the second unit. I think he would have been more effective, but what he's on offense. And he kind of disrupts their vibe because they feel that the keep them happy by getting him. This looks whereas bogey doesn't need that attention. If you will. And they just let their three best shooters do it and not in bogeyed just eats passes, eats rebounds and plays the rim protects so vogue. It's much better for them than bogie. So it actually worked out. Well, and we'll see about the rockets cappella battling an illness. That's why they were. That's one of the reasons why they're off. I think look jazz frisky. They're gonna roll over good win. I think rockets take care of business and five. I expected a little bit more from the jazz in the series. But I I know I did not they don't match up well with Houston on hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I'm so sick of hearing that my man like everyone's tough match-up. It's a dude the jazz aren't that? Good. How about just not that great? How about their playoff team with quality players and they're not a first round winning team? What they needed to do was intentionally lose at the end. So that they wouldn't play Houston in the first round. Okay. They rather play the warriors. Well, no, of course, not. Who they beat? I think that they would have a better chance against Denver Portland and they do against Houston. Probably doesn't mean they're gonna win. They're all doesn't nothing that use open. Only would have. They don't have a better chance against Portland. They do know, of course. But I'm saying like, okay, they have a better, but everyone's like bad matchup. Yeah. But they got their at kicked. So like my point is this is their kick day. They should have won game three. They'd be too to right now. Okay. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. You've been following sports longtime. You cannot use that if they won game three than the game. Four would have played out the same way, you know, that you know, half the reason like teams like Damian Lillard got interviewed after the game to win at home. He said we gotta go to. Okay, see and get one get one. They have that mindset now give the jazz credit. They played great mate, shots, whatever. And it could have been to too. But it's not a woulda coulda shoulda. Like they've got blown out in first two games because they don't have quality. Shooters, right. Like, all right gre- with Rubio's, not indifferent. They've missed the most open shots of any team in the playoffs going into game for at least. I don't know what updated stats are. But that is a for them to lose. When James harden and MRs fifteen I fifteen shots is ridiculous. I'll agree with you on that. I'm just saying that the jazz could have advanced out of this bracket out of this round. If they'd been on the other side of the bracket, that's all I'm saying, and I don't think that's closer. And I I also just think they are a player away from being like a better team. Like a second round team. I don't think I would take I would take Denver against them. I'm just saying serious price wouldn't have been a size. But you know, I was only four dollars. Let's let's wasn't that. You know, I'm watching the blazers play the fund or the other night. It's too bad. That Durant couldn't have gone to the blazers instead of the warriors. I mean, I don't know if the salary numbers would have worked. But I think he still could've won championships in Portland playing with Willard McCollum, and he wouldn't be considered this like giant. I don't wanna use the word I'm thinking, but you know, Durant Durant. Joining the warriors is just the the most gutless move and the history of professional sports, in my opinion. And he could have he could have had a very good chance of winning titles playing with the that back court in Portland the same way doing it playing with that backward and Golden State. I don't know that the salary numbers would've worked. But I just it's kind of a what if to me, I think that would have been a cool to see 'cause Lillard is just such a great player and CJ McCollum was also very good player. The wrong team is favored in that series. I do actually I I to tell you the truth. I bet the blazers as soon as the price came out. I I don't I didn't think that Oklahoma City deserve to be favored on the road. And that series to me, it was more of a pick em type or Portland small favorite. But certainly the game spreads are in indicative, Oklahoma City being an even bigger favorite in the series price. Oklahoma City, a huge favorite in the home games. And then a small dog tonight. Well, that's what sort of made me wonder, so I've made up my own series pricing. Like it took me like I did in five minutes. They're just I mean with with wiggle room. But I- Portland dollar thirty. And because I just love Portland, I love Damian Lillard. I joke that I have a crush on this team. And and I was just like he's capable being the best player at for at least four games in the series, and he has been in the three wins. And if you see the point spreads like, I think tonight, the market is off like it opened three I'm all in on Portland tonight. Yeah. I like I like Portland tonight as well. I just think that they're better than Oklahoma City on three curly Wendy Burma coached punt on using oak city while they were favored and the like, Wendy you punt and realize like the lines are game to game. Right. When we opened it up. We had okay, see minus one forty here and a guy came up and wanted about ten thousand on thunder series price. So there's a perception out there that Oklahoma City is just that much better than Portland. I don't agree with it. But that's the kind of money we're seeing in the market here in the series people are betting on the under. So as the series is unfolding they're up three one shouldn't the power ratings change where Portland doesn't open minus three at home. I I don't think three was was the right number up. Not now. I think it's more appropriate. Yeah. I mean, I I know what you're saying. I've been on I've been on the blazers side of this whole series. So I I can't disagree with you at all. I would actually I thought this yesterday. I'd actually rather life for than three. Here's you know in a line stinks. You get really worried and paranoid. Like, I'm more comfortable laying for than three. I don't feel. I know what you're saying. What do you? What do you think? Denver San Antonio. 'cause that Denver was the one the one series price when we first opened them where we really saw some sharp money come in on the on the nuggets. And then they went out laid that egg and game one. Now looks like, you know, at least favorite again in the series. This goes back to our Utah conversation. I should have brought it up. So I'm glad we got there with Denver because I said this last week in the pot. So I feel both Utah Denver have inflated home records from the regular season. I think some guy's sentence. Man, eater reply to that tweet the analytics showed it was like with one to two more wins. I think it's worth more. Because now he in his defense was it was actually a great tweet. He said that doesn't take into account teams resting players and stuff like that. I just think there's an overall mindset of like a team like the Orlando Magic or an east coast team going on the west coast trip having to play five teams and that whether it's back to back or whatever they just kind of mail an in a little bit. And I think there's an inflated home record for Denver in Utah. Whereas in the post. Season. It doesn't always translate go back nuggets of lost four straight first round series. Right. They've always had good homecourt home records right in anytime. Now granted they face playoff teams in the playoffs. And they face teams that are already already relocated for the game. They've they're not traveling the night of and things like that. So I just think we need to pump the brakes a little bit on how good these teams are composed season when their home record as such an inflation to it. That's why I'm saying I don't think the jazz were that great and is for Denver. I I just trust San Antonio players and shooters more. Well, I trust Gregg Popovich, I know that much, but I to me I I really disliked San Antonio coming into the season. I don't like their roster at all. So it's it's surprised me to see them go out and win game. One in Denver. I mean, I still think Denver is gonna get out this series. But I I give Gregg Popovich just a ton of credit for getting his team to the postseason. They won like forty eight or forty nine games. And then having them in this position where if they can win this series. He could get them all the way back to a conference final because the two best teams in the in the conference on the other side of the bracket on San Antonio first-quarter tonight. Quarter hop was really upset on how they played last game. Now, whether that means they hit shots. But I like I like the Spurs start strong Denver was kind of making everything in game for the second half. They're better. They're better on paper like over a sample size of eighty two games. Like, they're, you know, they're they're threes. And verse the long twos. I get it. I just I just trust those guys I trust Patty mills. I mean, I've been betting on that guy for frigging den years now like just trust these guys I try although tons I think he finally hit a shot in game. One the end hit win in two months before that. But we'll see like what Jamal Murray did. And whatever that's great in the game to comeback. They're better players. Whether they two more we'll see I wanna talk about the next round. And you guys posted some serious prices. Even though we're not quite there yet. I think I think I'd have to come off the bench maybe gas up the bird and come out there there. Please. Awesome. It really caught my eye. Don't don't come out this week UK. I'm actually leaving town in the morning. And I I like are. I'd like you to come out here when I'm in town, but continue free shit. I can't do it. And I've other options Jersey's a lot. Closer murray. True true. Your is we I remember being on a text chain with Sherman and an ad a year ago, you guys are too high on Philly every year. Oh, I know. And you know. Well, I got a I've a anecdote I was gonna I got the I have the Sixers to win the east, and I was thinking about like how I would hedge it if they got to the conference finals, and I decided I don't need a hedge that bit because the joy, I would get from making fun of Ed and blaming him for me losing my money is my hedge. Okay. So I I don't even care if I lose 'cause I make fun of Ed about it until like October when the next season started. So I'm fine either. I mean, I'd rather win the money. But the I got that hedging their of making fun of Ed about the Sixers, you're well punish. Just exactly I'm good either web. Ju just this morning, Jeff and myself, we're in a group text with Ed and we were firing up. We were calling Joel and beat a name that I can't repeat, of course. But because this guy like sits out playoff games, apparently. But it's just it's so funny that it's worth it to me to have the Sixers future ticket interesting. Well, you guys have the raptors minus two twenty. If they win tonight bait regardless of action, well that just go up a little bit because they actually are into the next round. Yeah. We don't it doesn't really matter. I mean, if this matchup doesn't happen. Somebody could go seven and that would affect right. I mean, we certainly we closed that price as soon as the first of those teams tips off tonight, just because things can definitely change guys could get dinged up perception could change. So you're not wrong. To twenty is way cheap. I like this Sixers team. I I like them let me rephrase it I like them more this year than I did lash obviously with Jimmy Butler. He gives them that edge. They were lacking. And there's a lot more reliability there. But the raptors team maybe the best team in the NBA. Frankly. I mean, they're not the they're that good. Not the best team in the NBA. The warriors are but they're that good. And we're we saw glimpses that these runs when wise I that we've haven't seen a couple of postseasons, and they have depth. They have Seok Kyle their fourth bus player. I just think Toronto is a rat team. And you know, that the sting of them losing that series last year to Cleveland, it's still lingers with us how in the world did they manage to get swept by that ridiculously bad Cleveland team last year. I mean that was embarrassing. Yeah. Lebron hold on. Let me go back locate. So we talk about these regular season sort of warriors, right? Like some of these teams of bed like how good were the raptors Lascher, right? Like how good is demar Rosen. He's atop. Thirty player up thirty dollars. Good. It's Coa ratings are terribles always metrics terrible. So Pat your best player and like Lowry think about was was the team just a really good regular season team. Possibly and Philadelphia. I think really in a lot of ways they blew it last year because you know, Boston didn't have Kyrie Irving or Gordon Hayward in that series. They're basically a bunch of kids and Brad Stevens outfox Brett Brown at the end of all those close games. I think Boston one that's four games to one three. Oh, I know that I took a hit on trust me. And that really should've been Philadelphia's spot in the eastern finals, no offense to the Celtics. I give them a lot of credit, but they were missing two all star players, so Philadelphia, really. So really it's the matchup of two teams that totally choked last season this really should have been the Eastern Conference finals a year ago. Although with very different rosters collider. Jimmy butler. No Tobias Harris. I think these two teams are a little bit more evenly matched than than you seem to think. Yeah. No. I think they are. I think they're definitely. I think Toronto's that good though, that's more. What it is. It's a bad on Toronto and Phillies Phillies, pretty deep, man. Their starting five all those only played like what twelve games together? Whatever it is. And I think you factor in the unknown with Embiid, I think that that that feels low to twenty bills, although the raptors do have trouble the game ones. So the NBA rotations condense in the postseason Philadelphia. You already set up at Philadelphia's got a great starting five. I I would trust them at the end game scenarios here with if they have their their starting five guys on the floor. I think that they've got a much better team than Toronto. Now Toronto's deeper there. I'm only talking about when the five on five I like, Philadelphia's group more, right? But I don't trust Brett Brown at all. That's the other thing. I I don't think they're well coached now. Verdict still out on earth. But yeah, right. Brown's been shaky a lot of the one that Shakey's. Nice word. You're you're saying that to suck up to Ed. I think he knows program. Well shaky shaky. All right. I agree. I I'm I'm I was surprised that the line was low, and it's come up a little bit. So the bucks are now minus three dollars against the Celtics. Yeah, we probably opened that one a little low. Right. I think it was lower than that. Actually. I think it was two twenty or two forty. But either way I mean, we we we open it a little bit too low. Yeah. We opened at two twenty and we took some money on Milwaukee there. But I do think there's gonna be some public support for Boston in the second round. Boston getting a little bit of hype for their sweep of Indiana. But go those games were pretty close. I know they won four games to none. So sounds silly. But those those games were pretty close and Indiana was missing Victor depot. It's not let's not pretend like Boston. Didn't just beat a team. That was missing its best player. I one hundred percent agree. I even tweeted saying like everyone's like guys are picking the Celtics to go to the finals. I'm like we pump the brakes they barely swept Indy. And like what have we seen that? Everyone was like literally, of course, patriots fans Celtics fans. I've never heard the expression barely sweat. Right. So can I verify they were trailing in two of the four games in the fourth quarter. The other one they were up one in the fourth quarter. They trailed at halftime, I believe in three of them. So my point is they should've w- advance. They took care of business. Give him credit for that. All that good stuff. Like, you know, one the games they had to whatever made the shots. But like for all. Of a sudden to overreact to react. But they should all of a sudden like be in the finals because they swept the Pacers where they were like live line underdogs in two of the four games in the second hand. Like, what am I missed like, they didn't dismantle the Pacers like the bucks into the pistons. So in Pacers have an all star guard didn't play in the, but let's they really need took care of business. But why are we all of a sudden catapulting them pass the next? I just thought it was insane. And like, I get Brad. Stevens is awesome. I get that Hayward looks healthy. So that's I guess Hayward. Looking healthy was the one thing that sort of stood out that was beyond just taking care of business? Right Hayward made big shot they played well like that would be like the one thing, but they're still going against a team that is much better than they are has home court and. You know, maybe they're a little bit low on the experienced side concede that coach buds had issues in the playoffs in the past despite dominating the regular season. So there's some concern there. But I think I think let's not like the reason the Celtics one one of those games because the Pacers went ice cold and open shots were over nine in the third quarter of game two on wide open shots, which is classified by any buddy. Nobody within six feet. So is that Celtics playing great defense the playoffs of the Pacers? Scrubs, miss them jots. Pacers are a man down. With other star player is is what ultimately comes down to more than anything. And I agree with you and Milwaukee who will have by far the best player on either team in this series. Yoenis I think is the best player in the league at this moment. Kyri could outplay a couple games. Curry has the ability in stretches to be an absolute superstar. He also has the ability to shoot you right out of the game. We've seen him do that as well. So carries a great player. Great score. But I would never put him on the on the same levels Jaanus. Correct. I just thought like there's there's been out playing someone versus being better than I was trying to give some benefit out there. Oh, I think I re- curry we've seen him do it before we he's got he's such an incredible offense a player. He's probably the best ball handler in the history of the sport of basketball. He can get into a groove where he just goes wild. He could steal a game. He could steal a fourth quarter for the Celtics. You don't need. Bob dribbling around was better. That's hard to say. You know, I don't remember the sixties that. Well, I don't know. Maybe maybe him or have a check was it was a better ball kyri or Pete mayor of what's what's that game one line book, Celtic six and a half. I saw we actually bumped it up this morning, and we're I think we're at seven and a half. Now, we won't last time. I looked that would me. I would I was excited six and a half. We have a number basically game. You know, the way that Jeff labeled. It is game one round to whenever it's played. And we got the bucks minus seven and a half money line bucks. Minus three fifty. Yeah. It feels about right? I. I really liked the bucks in that series. And I can tell you that we don't do. Well, if the Milwaukee Bucks when the Eastern Conference some some enterprising individuals have some good future bets on Milwaukee to win the east. So I give those gentlemen credit. We do very well. Philadelphia Wednesdays I'll tell you that much Mr. shocking. That's the case, I'm Mr. salmon, Dr NFL guy and our residents. Sixers Homer for that predicament. Abled the Trump card on those. Amanda, that's gonna cover I soon, we we're okay with the warriors advancing. What do you make the warriors? You already touched on that. We touched on that Bala, Giannis, Portland and Denver Denver would have home court. What would you make that series? I mean, Denver certainly would be favored in that series. I don't know probably like, well, if they were to twenty against San Antonio, and that got bad up and Portland gets no respect in the numbers. Right. But. And Portland looks good in theory, finishing it off and five games while Denver would need a least six maybe seven. Maybe Denver like in the to fifty range. It's not about right? Sounds about. Right. I'd have to look at it. Maybe if they stumble, maybe might be two dollars to be honest, two dollars. I don't think too. What am I talking about two dollars? The highest would go probably one. Portland. Just get such little respect in the numbers. Right. But I think they do. Now. I think they get over that hump, especially if they win and five and Denver limited the finish line. I don't think it's hard. There's. Fillers. Spurs, right. And then it opened two dollars. So it's going to be like one seven. No it open to twenty and it got better up. Right. That like by the time game one started. It was more like two seventy. No. I know that up. I know. But I'm just saying if it okay, I got you. All right. We'll say, I don't I I don't disagree with you two dollars could be right. It's just I don't know Portland is just a team has been so undervalued all year. We already talked about it. They were dog against Oklahoma City with home court advantage. They just they don't get respect in the numbers that maybe if they do finish it off tonight win four games to one that will change, especially if San Antonio and Denver get dragged out to a game seven, right? That's sort of the perception will change. I I do like Portland tonight. They should get it done. Now. The lines got up to four I feel better. I hope it's you're right. I I was like that Celtics line on Sunday. Right. It opened one got bed to three and a half four some spots. You know, I'm actually I flying to Denver tomorrow morning. And I think I saw that a potential. Game seven of that series would be Saturday night in Denver San Antonio Denver. So I have to keep an eye on that communion potential. I don't think I've ever been NBA game seven. So that'd be kinda cool. Yeah. It is game seven is is would be Saturday at the Pepsi center Murray, just move in shaker tycoon. No, this isn't for work. I've been traveling a lot for work lately. But my my brother's having his bachelor party in Denver. Now, they now we'll be out there this weekend. We're going to the nationals Rockies game tomorrow morning or tomorrow afternoon. And then we're going to I don't know what we're gonna do. I imagine drink a lot would be my men ver-. They call it men member. I've heard that that nickname really that's not a good nickname. Right. So I've actually been to a bachelor party in Colorado went to Rockies game with the dodgers. And then we hit Aspen or veil or one of those the other place the other one had the wedding in a moment. Stop. But there's a lot of fun. A lot of fun. I so. Wow, you got sister got married recently brothers. What about you, Mr. director? Oh, man. I it's a good question. Still. Still considering it seems like a big commitment though. It seems like the guy any advice for bachelor party, which is the for the bachelor party. Oh, man. I think of a couple of things in Denver but not not over the mouse's airwaves. That's not a nickname mouse being Disney. This for those understand that. And we'll we'll I think we'll have to talk off line guy. If you have a trip for sure. A lot of a lot of NBA talk. I was led to believe this was an NFL draft podcast. Did I appreciate that? It was about the NBA. I think it's great. But I I know that people are very interested in the NFL draft guys. And I I'm sure that we'll we'll be watching some of it on Thursday me, and my brother and his buddies. Certainly earned the vacation and good for you. Congrats to the little, bro. And you has a lot of great time in member. Good time. We'll gets on the nationals win tomorrow. They've been the they've been struggling out the gate to put a put it nicely. Well, Murray, just don't forget, your license. Your passport at home. Like, I did that one time. Yeah. I do recall that that was felt. Gotta felt that. No, no, no. It'll be a nice quick trip. You know, McCarron's one of the best in the country. Well. When you have when you have that TSA, pre check your good to go man, you go right through what's the other one? Where you just do your your thumbprint? I think that's called clear. Correct. If you have that pre check your golden. No, I I don't have clear I got by somebody about signing up for one time. And I kind of choked I should have done it. I'm sticking with the pre check for now. But maybe I'll consider getting clear in the future. I think we could do an hour pot on finding the exact price. You would pay for pre check like whatever they charge was it like eighty dollars for five years. Yeah. I mean, I got see I got the global entry to because I figured what the hell already signing up for this thing. I might as well get both. And it it was less than two hundred dollars for five years. I don't remember exactly what it was. But it was clearly worth it. I mean, dude, we I went out with a J corna gay the Super Bowl USA guys last Tuesday night in New York City, and we had a flight out of JFK Wednesday morning back here Vegas, and we were in rough shape and if. Hadn't had TSA pre check that would have been a long slog through the airport. I would I would pay what I paid for TSA. Pre check just to avoid the line last Wednesday. Yeah. I mean, I joked once that I pay eighty five per ticket. So. Per round trip. I don't know about that the cut security it's worth, okay? So that that'd be forty two dollars and fifty cents. Is it worth twenty bucks? It's worth twenty bucks. So is it worth forty? I would say closer I would say might be so per ticket, and they charge it for five years. I had a flight to California a few months ago, forget why was going there. But I didn't put in my pre number correctly. So I didn't get it on my boarding pass. And I had to go through the regular line. It was like the worst twenty minutes of my life. And I was just looking longingly over at the TSA pre check line. It was awful to. Way to connect with our audience. I was so annoyed myself. Like, I I was just just I was so mad at myself the whole time it ruined. The trip is what I'm trying to say. I cannot be bigger advocate of it. I encourage every time it's a little annoying good on the airport or wherever do the whole. But my Lord it's one thing that's cool and good to remember if you travel with an infant and some airports, they automatically just give you the free check. So really wonder think about also. You're advocating for having a baby versus going down to the airport and signing up for it. Right. Yeah. I mean one the lot easier than the other. That's a good. That's I'm gonna call that plan b when when my my five years runs out here pun intent fund pun intended. Oh boy. I would just say I think not removing the shoes not the shoes is reason enough. Yeah, that's true. That is nice. I don't bend over. Well, getting up there. You know, like, oh, yeah. The delays. If you're not a slip on exactly. If you're not checking a bag, and you have the pre check thing you can get to the airport like thirty minutes before your flight. It doesn't matter especially places like Hartford, you'd be out real nice. I believe it. All right. It's great. Although I am checking a bag tomorrow. I've got a few items I'm bringing for the boys in Denver. Oh. Yeah. I will need to get there. A little on the early side pictures. No picture. Yeah. Yeah. Keep checking bag. That's rare for me, boys. But I am making an exception. This time. Bringing the baby. This fall guys advice and bring a baby. No, no, baby. Just some. Some party favorite Carlos. Now. I don't think so I think I'll just stick with maybe a pretexting. Okay. All right. We're off the grid a little bit. That's okay. It's just a tad safe travels. After we. I'm sorry, Doug, Ed, stop listening after we got through the NFL stuff. Anyway. So it doesn't matter. If we go off the rails here at the end, he's not listening anymore. That was our PSA for everyone to join TSA Bego safe travels guitar as always fell sticker. Okay. That does it for this podcast. Thanks to the I guess best man right merged. He's the best man. He's bringing the party favours hope so and that should be a good week. I did do batch that was fun. Dodgers one day game on Thursday went to Aspen mountains road by. It was fun. All the good weather to baseball. Awesome. Kyw anything from your bachelor party? You wanna share who? Yeah. Okay. One thing. Those really funny about my bachelor party. So we were Philly we were going to this club. I'll leave the club out of it. But we saw we ran into this lady that took a picture of a group of guys. Our dog's name was Barclay, right? That I was funnier. Whatever. So we go in Philly too. You know chill. So check this out forget the fight. It was about two years ago. So I forget it was in June. I forgot who was fighting. But it was a heavyweight boxing match. We're all watching and then all of a sudden in the next VIP area and the booth stands tall guy. I swear Charles Barkley took a picture with us, and everything was awesome. But Charles Martha was in their bunch of ladies with them. He was having a good time. So who had the dog named Barkley? It was some random lady outside of like down the block from the club. She had a dog named Barkley and low behold, our later, we get into this club. And we see Charles Barkley in philadel- Barkley was in VIP of a club. He. Yeah. Oh, oh, yeah. We're kind of club. Okay. All right. My man, we'll leave it at that. Well, this is interesting five cats. That's a true store. Good to have you back on the pod, always fun to see you. I mean, I think people need to realize that we see each other all the time here on campus. Good to connect here on the pod. And thanks everyone for listening. Download subscribe rate review and go check out daily wage Monday through Friday, six to seven eastern on ESPN news and the ESPN app, and obviously areal Hawaii's podcast ever, Stephen the bear will resume. There's soon as well. But those guys are on the daily wage your show as well. Give it out some good pick. 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Three eight hundred four seven seven one one three eight hundred four seven seven one one three. That's eight hundred four seven. Oh seventy one thirteen worldwide sports byline. Usa and here's host Ron Bucks. And wherever you might be across this great country of ours and around the world. Nice to have you again with us. Here on America's sports talk shows sports byline. We'RE GONNA be talking basketball this hour. We're going to honor one of the all-time Great College Basketball Coaches. He passed away in two thousand seventeen but he pulled off one of the biggest upsets in college basketball the NC Double A. Finals. I think you probably know who. I'm talking about. Rallied Mass Amino former head. Basketball coach Stony Brook also coached at UNLV. In Cleveland State. But he had his most success when he was the head coach at Villanova and Villanova. He led his one thousand nine hundred eighty four eighty five team to the NC Double A. Championship entering the one thousand nine hundred five. Nc Double A. Tournament as the eighth seed. Villanova defeated their heavily favored biggies conference opponent. Georgetown in that title game and that upset is widely regarded as one of the greatest ins. Nc Double A. History. So we'll share with you. Our interview with the late Raleigh Mass Amino and then. We'll talk with kwami Brown now. If you're a basketball fan boy I'll tell you what. He had a Lotta hype with him when he was drafted outstanding center to some degree had the size but he really had some problems adapting to the NBA. He was the first overall pick in the two thousand one. Nba draft by the Washington Wizards. He was the first number one draft pick to be selected straight out of high school and over his twelve season career. He's played for the wizards the Lakers Grizzlies Pistons Bob. Cats warriors and sixers. He grew up in Brunswick Georgia and he was consistently rated as the best high school player in his class and he was the high school player of the year as a senior in Georgia and originally he was signing a letter of intent to play at the. University of Florida later declared for the two thousand one. Nba draft in Washington Wizards under team president. Michael Jordan decided to use their first overall. Pick on him and probably because of all the hype and high expectation. Browns rookie season was marred by lack of maturity and also production on the court and in his rookie year Brown average four and a half points in three and a half rebounds per game. This is a very interesting story. I think it's a very telling story as well because I think when you're hype. There are high expectations particularly if you're the first overall pick in an NBA draft and especially if you're also a big man. 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I listen to your program Most of the week thank you. What was your motivation for? Taking the Cleveland State job all mostly is because I really wanted to stay involved with young people I wasn't ready to Go out hit. The Golf Ball Every single day of the week and It's proved to be very very wonderful. Experience in the city of Cleveland has been just great. What'S THE CHALLENGES AT CLEVELAND? State as compared to maybe even Villanova. How is it different? Well you know I it's different In a lot of ways yes yet. It's very similar in so many ways because I think kids are kids They all want to be the best they can be. They all want to win They WanNa play the best possible basketball. They can play. And that's exactly what was driving for us to develop Cleveland State into Major College Basketball Program and You know I think With our record eight seventeen. It's to me. It's very very deceiving because We played some of the biggest teams in the country. Very very well and I mean we had a chance to win seven or eight additional games and we've already won three more than they've worn last year and You know we're excited about the direction that we're going in What we're trying to accomplish. Raleigh they're generally two schools of thought. When you're building a program one is to bring in the junior college players and of course try to get immediate success. The other is to take young players and develop them slowly. How are you approaching the Cleveland State? Such an interesting question Ron because excuse me we had never recruited junior college players until I went to. Unlv and We recruited a few there. Here at Cleveland. State we're trying to get a conglomerate of of both We want a few junior college players. Because you know I think a little bit more mature and the ready to commending contribute immediately yet you know. Our overall philosophy is to get as many for your players as we can because That develops the family concept as I've I've always believed in in my career and it has made You know a lot of sense because they they give us an opportunity to be around them for four years and hopefully the experiences and the development and the system kind of sets into place but right. Now it's really you know quite frankly A little bit about when you take a look at football college. Football as compared to college basketball in Raleigh Mass Amina walks in and says I want you to come to Cleveland. Space State and play. Some basketball for me is a little bit easier to recruit that kid to a school like Cleveland State which is small and have them come play basketball than if somebody wants to go and you know be a football player needs to go to that big school in order to get the reputation and maybe go onto the NFL. Well you know that could be true. I think that we've gotten into a lot more homes but he'll Cleveland State Is a very well kept secret? it's campus Style but yet is an urban Style school with With the Convocation Center where we play which is right on campus of thirteen thousand six hundred fans that I think come and watch US play. It's a beautiful beautiful facility. I'd say it's one of the top six or seven th on campus Sicilian whole country. So you know I it to me. It's a sleeping giant and you know my dear friends Chuck Daly Billy Cunningham. Said you know Why Cleveland Rowley? And I say well why not and We've been kinda accepted on on such a positive matter. We've added the ability and opportunity. Get into a lot of homes and we think you know. We're going to kind of turned the corner another few years earlier than we anticipated. Rolling I get the feeling because of what you've done in the past and your background and everything that you're probably very comfortable on a personal level in an environment like Cleveland state like you were in Villanova in the Philadelphia area. I think you're exactly right right now. We worked very very hard to go out in the community and in the community is is really accepted us and you know they and had very many fans in the past and We had more fans in three games and they had all last year and You know that was certainly a positive thing. And we've averaged close to four or five thousand people that come to our games and Nine thousand plus Georgetown in over ten at Michigan and the next good part about that is that we've had my friends Say Yes to come to the convocation center. Come to Cleveland to play. You know usually a Cleveland state or more or a mid. Major school has to go and travel. You know what I mean to to to gain a little bit risk of respect and to get a big guarantee. Well we had the fortunate opportunity to have you know the good schools Come in the major school so to speak. Come in and play. And so the fans in Cleveland Can See US play a big time school? But you know as well as I do as soon as you guys get better. They're not GONNA do that. Raleigh had with difficult right now all right. My first daughter business was to get scheduled to me. It's you know like a wheel of fortune. You gotta get a schedule and you get players players give you some exposure exposure get your on TV TV. You know get you better. Players earned some money. And then you're you know then you're winning and Four people I call. We were bobby. Knight and Dean Smith. John Thompson. Georgetown Jimmy Hurricane. Ucla and John said Raleigh will come. And that was the first breakthrough that already scheduled Michigan. Then we got A commitment from Michigan State and then Wichita State Colorado State. You know I it was so nice and it's all home and away and then we had the opportunity of of play North North Carolina State and You know I'll come. You know. He said Cleveland. And I'll eventually come to so you know that was very very nice You know when you have friends over the years it you know it makes for you know a nice setting when you trying to establish a program because remember gene Bartow when he started the program at Uab alabama-birmingham he asked me. If I would come down I said for you know and we got beat it You know but that's the that's the camaraderie. That's establish amongst the coaches in the country. Let me ask you about a personal observation after the success that you've had Villanova and winning the National Championship there in nineteen eighty five and then the UNLV experience was it necessary for Raleigh Mass. Amino to really come back another. Make another marker at least come back into basketball in order to if he walks away from the game kind of walk away from it on your own terms. Well no not really I could you know a UNLV That was an experience. That's how I really Kinda labeled that You know I I wasn't fired at UNLV. It was a situation that just wasn compatible so to speak and we can leave it at that and I just thought it was time because of the association's probably you know I think just to move forward And that's exactly what we did and I don't think I had anything to prove. I mean I think I made my mark right or wrong I've always believed that that everything I did was right and I tried to do everything that was right But when I went back and and get out of it I was very fortunate to get involved with Prime Network. Who you know gave me the opportunity to be a color analyst and I really love that. That was fun but it. Just you know it just wasn't enough The coaches were gracious and A lot of them asked me to speak to their teams. You know and that was wonderful but it still wasn't the last two minutes you know what I mean when I'm really used to and I had an opportunity to go to a few major schools that had an opportunity to go On a division three level and then a division two level and then Mike Fratello Who was an assistant of Mine at Villanova? For number of years you know called only watch come to Cleveland. And that's how it all started when you reflect back on the championship year at Villanova what you're most telling memories about it because I'm sure at the moment it happens and maybe most immediately right after it happens. That memory might be different than what it might be a couple years later you know am so grateful that we Especially my family and opportunity to get to a final four and to play in the championship. Game a wonderful experience and I I just felt that You know I just can't begin to tell you how great it was the way it ended But then the next year we had another great year we can get to the final four. But you know we won. More Games and You know the championship is a championship and That's what it's all about and It was just a wonderful experience Raleigh. Thank you very much for your time tonight. I appreciate it and good to have you back in College Basketball Coaching once again. And when I get to Cleveland. I look forward to kind of sit down. You know. I know you're out there in California right. That's right San Francisco. My one of my dear assistance John. Oliver's plane San Francisco this weekend to Raleigh. Thank you very much for your time tonight. Roy Mass Amino bought tell you what. He's had a lot of success during his career. Eight conference coach of the year championships or at least titles to his credit in his twenty four years of collegiate coach and Back In College Basketball Coaching at Cleveland State. I hope you enjoyed our interview with the late. Raleigh Mass Amino passed away in two thousand seventeen at the age of eighty two won a national championship and college. Basketball at Villanova. Are you an active stock? Market investor? Will then you know these three key? Words buy sell hold. Those three magic words can make or lose you money in the stock market. What are we can show you? A time-tested tool has been helping stock market. Investors succeed for over thirty years. It's called vector vest and amazing system designed to make smart investing easy. The vector vest system analyzes sorts and ranks over nineteen thousand stocks every day and tells you when to buy what to buy and when to sell any stock to maximize your profits in less than ten minutes a day. 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He played for the Wizards Lakers Grizzlies Pistons Bob Cats warriors in sixers and he grew up in Brunswick Georgia kwami. Tell me a little bit about growing up in Brunswick what kind of town it was and what life was like when you were growing up. Brunswick is a is a very small town. Diverse sound But if it was more when I grew up it was like a retirement place We have a lot of younger people. Here now It was fun and not a lot of opportunities but I didn't really realize it now But you know. We had the typical upbringing with the rich and That was I like sports. Going to play baseball take soccer. I just lived in bad boys and girls. I know your mother. Joyce worked very very hard and you had a large family single parents situation there. Tell me a little bit about her. Because I've always found in talking to African American athletes that the strength of a black woman in the family is just amazing and it seems like that's the way it was with. Joyce as well. Yeah I mean She was forced in that situation. My mother wasn't the typical single mother other. She was married to my father. My father made some poor choices and ended up getting life in prison So When that happened I mean. We had a pretty good upbringing. I didn't know about my father's Dealings on on the side. But when he was around everything he had Floors and go karts and all that type of stuff then when he made his choice is that to you know A situation where we in West considered the hood and and on government assistance so I don't think any child should have to grow up like that so I don't never had a you know big that situation up. I always try to tell people the truth. From the point of view of the child in that just the mother That was a very difficult upbringing. And that's how a lot of kids label have labeled as soon as you get into the school system and you don't have that representation. That mother and father and mother came goes to the school a lot because she was trying to work through the back. But when you don't have been tasting Kinda get labeled and you kinda get forever into the system and not such a good night. Did basketball bring you some type of structure and enjoyment in the early part of Your Life Kwami? I didn't know I was GONNA be able to take this basketball. I just did with every other kid did. Which was you. Go out and just play sports but I knew I was a little bit. Different I thank God that they did the beach vacation thing because I ended up being around a mix of people I ended up being added some light finance and suddenly expanded. Franken and I went to a very good school and thinks out of the ministry so it just allowed me to pick a different and I remember going to one of my friends. Jacob Nelson's house And they had everything that I always been habits so it allowed me to bring pass my situation so I would try to go as much as I could but I would always go back to. The reality of my house was collecting. Always made decide to do. Better get my schoolwork and it had paid attention in class and so I was appreciative of that you were consistently rated as the best high school player in your class and in high school you were. The player of the year is a senior in Georgia. You finished up your high school career at the Glynn Academy in Brunswick Georgia and what are the instrumental people in your life and I want you to tell me how he featured into your life was John Williams. Yeah you know just like any teenage boys that have a father and his life. I started to you know be mischievous for lack of a better word I you know I stopped going to class. I started focusing medics. It and you know a lot of kids in the hood. They tend to think that if they just play basketball. That's GONNA be that way out Mr John You know challenge me let me. That's not going to do it so you know he was actually wondering guy be paid from. S. H. E. N. Nikki team. So he opened my mind up there. You know basketball is not GONNA BE ENOUGH. And he just showed that he did you know and a lot of times. You know mentors that they don't. I appreciate import because without that I would do that you were going to go to. The University of Florida signed a letter of intent but then the decision was made to jump directly into the NBA. Take me through that thought process. Well you know always wanted to go to college. I wanted to be the first in my family to Graduate College Out of my brothers So many of my brothers are going to prison. And how me for doing illegal activities and I just wanted to break that cycle So my main goal was to go to college but you know just given the situation and you know how ideas and some of the tournaments that I went to you know I never thought on guys being You know I would be the number one draft pick but I was competitive that when I got to Tyson Chandler Curry I move by name and they may not know me but I do. They works and I was making my business to do to my designate. Of course you were drafted as a number. One overall. Pick by the Washington Wizards a team. That had a president by the name of Michael Jordan. And I'm just wondering. Do you think you were ready to be able to play at that level both from a talent standpoint from an emotional standpoint from a mental standpoint. Absolutely I don't think they were ready. Because that's all they kept breaking up Lot of times when you're the first at something Everybody puts an opinion on it and sometimes they kind of your perception of reality. Sometimes they kind of force an issue that there's really not a big deal. I mean I play basketball has always been my safe haven so I never had a problem playing basketball and A lot of times people don't go back and DO THEIR HOMEWORK. They always say oh. He's about my dad. Pick and this isn't that you won't find another one that ever had their boss. Which was the biggest player who ever played the game? Play alongside with them. So I was pretty much all at the same time and Can I say it's done it my bill? You can't make that argument but I've never been to make an excuse so I've always been quiet up until this going but I just would like people to take an honest look never seen a number one play fourteen minutes a game. Most number one draft picks you give cheese and you let them dry. And if he can't play he'll show you that but you know that was not not situation and it'll never happen again or any other more. Jackie and I think as you know the big money and professional sports can be mind-bending your contract three years twelve million dollars and I saw a story from Washington. Post Sportswriter Sally Jenkins. She wrote this. She said the presumption behind the investment is that Brown will be calm another Kobe. Bryant or Kevin Garnett the next great young thing. The truth is an practice. The hop is too big turning a teenager from sleepy. Shrimp port. Not long out of puberty and a multimillionaire. Nba Professional is a traumatic process. And not just for Brown either for the adults too. I thought that was insightful. How do you feel about what she said? I mean I just don't realize where some of these people get their against. Thank you can speak about something that they themselves. Never gone to I don't know much about hijinks but I know From Santa and I remember donate every read. She's never touch the basketball. I can guarantee that so A lot of times people should just give their opinion and not stay because like I mean. It's a great opinion because she went to school to learn how to write and communicate. But you know these these I live. They're talking about. I have children that I had to go home and face. I have family. I'll be going say that don't people who have worked their whole life to become one percent of the world. I mean you know basketball and football like baseball. Everybody always talk about the money. So they allow themselves to disrespect in the most unbelievable way but I think they should be a lot. More respect. Put on it and stories like that is what you know allows people off the street come up to disrespect in and make it tough on us the way it should not be. I think that's a very fair statement to make. I do know that you know when you got to Washington you Doug Collins as your coach. And he's a pretty Difficult person at times. That's just my observation. And I saw quotes at has been lectured. Scolded and instructed advise and perhaps warp. The voices have overwhelmed him. Was it difficult for you own those early years in Washington? I mean the the if you look at the time line. The proof is in the pudding. I mean That minutes up and down. You can't ask for consistency but situations and you hang situation. Act like they draft the oldest team in the You first gave me the driver's seat and every play was rented and some league. And then don't Mike Jordan coming back and then now it's the focus shifts one that's developed this young guy to we gotTa Win Right now and nobody likes to talk about it but the truth is just that and you know I know. A lot of people are afraid to go against Mj To attack a young kid. 'cause I had no representation and that's what I what I was saying earlier. Didn't have the publicist didn't have a five. I didn't have all that so I just sit back and take it because I was getting paid a lot so I'm not gonNA say they're playing most nineteen year old college eating Lama News. So I'm not gonNA take the plane that's not me. That's not my make so I'm GonNa make the best of the situation. I turned myself into rebounded You can look at some of the things I did with basketball before I got to Washington. I brought bought the court and did anything I wanted you put on. Mj came back to the dunker. So you know but still play. I tried to figure it out when Doug College team. I've had one of my best sneezing. Kwami Brown is with us very insightful. Very real conversation with Kwami and when we come back on the other side will continue talking about his career. He moved onto the Los Angeles Lakers. And we'll talk about other aspects of his life. I think you can tell just from this conversation. How honest and how direct. 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The biggest adjustment for any player is GONNA be Number one travel and number two the popularity. You Know Me. I was more reserved person. I didn't like to hang with a big group. That's you know now. I had to find myself after my first year second year I had to have people around. Because it's like you can't go to the grocery store he thing anywhere or you know you're GonNa be mobbed especially being the number one pick and death attached to you know Michael Jordan so But that wasn't me I always. I'm a people person so I got drafted. I got the key to the city and I am not first speech. Was You know I'm I'm no different than you are? I'm just like you and I now looking back on out so far from the truth because like I said essentially the Audi and they'd never seen me at them. You know you have that much money. They're never going to see you. Yes I got sugar Ray Leonard and I had a conversation about that I said what was it like when you go home. He said people would have their hands out They get upset with me if I didn't give them the time that they'd like to have. And I had a source story. It said he was hounded by neighbors and strangers. Who wanted favors or money or just a hang around old friends resented if if he didn't call or show them enough attention every local high school or school principal insisted that he comes. Speak to the student body when he tried to say no they would scold him for being too good for. Brunswick you data deal with a lot. Didn't you do it? The police perceive me has long way. So I would get pulled over. I had to deal with Going to the old neighborhood you know I got some fits fights and you know that nature. I've been lied on women. All it all boils down to make it turns you into a bit of person some scientists that you'd be a victim of you know like. I said I was never naive. I just always wanted to be around the same loved ones and friends. But they're looking at you and you're going up and then that sometimes they'll either try to pull you down or try to make their problem. You're probably so it was a lot of dealing with that and a lot of isolation because it makes you not wanna be out by. Did you have anybody that you could help us? Sort through all of this with you know because no one knew what it was like me. I was one of one. Nineteen year old kid. You know. They're writing all these negative articles. People didn't go to college. Don't think he deserved what you have. And so the jealousy a lot of the articles that was written about me. I take a lot of times field jealousy. you've got these reporters who you know feel like. Oh this is the dominant educated kid. Who's making all this money? You don't deserve that so then internalize it and then they pan is therefore you know. None of this stuff is true. Nine this stuff is real. I graduated woody point. Oh Gpa you can look it up. I got myself qualified for a great school and University of Florida. All you know my doors being kicked in my brother selling drugs Tab the method Washer and Dryer. I gotTa pick up the pieces and going to school so like I said you know my reality my strengthened. My perseverance is a story that should be told from that perspective. To help these young kids Then then to be told about basketball in two thousand five you were traded to the Los Angeles Lakers. What was your reaction to that? And also what do you anticipate? Maybe the West Coast being like as compared to the east coast. America's longtime come in the Washington Wizards allow and all these people right so many negative articles about me and behind closed doors. I'm begging to be traded. But they're saying no Until blow happening between me and Gilbert Arenas Dan Courtney to which age and you know he's probably GonNa get your sixty million and all this other stuff. I said no so. Then give it away and if you look back to when we played Chicago. I'm having a great Playoff series after that you know. They say funding They brought given day. You know so you can do no wrong. He's like a spoiled kid and we don't think kid they bring down so locker room. You Know Phil Jackson. Of course down with the Los Angeles Lakers at that time. Had you ever met him before in if now? What was your impression of the first time you did? Kwami a great. He's laid back folks. Act them what made him do some of the stuff he would do and all the stuff that he was doing the more they look at. You don't speak and then come back into the room and act like it was her time and they only speak to play with your mind a little bit and actually one day. What make you a great coach? And not the other coaches and I have a bad memory and at that time I didn't understand it but now I do but you know dealing with so many different coaching Your around you know each other so much that if you hang on To every little thing somebody does and you'll never forgiven that. You'RE GONNA kick the player in the doghouse forever. 'cause he controls you minute you know if you're going to have a working relationship you don't have to like a player you don't have to speak to them off the court but you're gonNA have a working relationship. You have to know whatever about winning winning. Which is your ultimate goal. Los Angeles certainly a different time. Of course they had the Lakers. Showtime Lakers as well different time than what you're going to find in Washington DC. What was the basketball atmosphere? Like with the Lakers when you were with them at first kind. Negative surrounding the whole shacked The project and You know and then you you bring a guy in towns of media you know. They already played the fans opinion before they did So You know you're GONNA go check chronic down there like Oh but if you look at me in the marketplace and terrific basketball look healthy I'm played some of my best out there like I remember So that can play. There's a movie called inside man. We played that before we played Phoenix Suns. And I didn't know what he's talking about giving me the basketball and the post but That's what ended up happening. I had had a really good serious. That you certainly. You had Kobe to be someone productive for you on the Lakers team. Tell me a little bit about what you saw in him. And of course Comparative you can't a little bit to Michael Jordan with Washington. Well I imagine if I would have met Michael. When do they can Kobe with the carbon copy They they walked saying they talk and saying the competitive nature the same Yeah they're pretty much the same. I mean Thirty two cardinals competitive players both in practice. I mean I remember 'em debt thirty nine eight planned meeting one on one before the prego you know. Get CHEAP WIN. But it was cool. I was giving it to them. I think I got led six zero before he fouled said rookie. Don't get cold. And then he over and started making us out I've never seen before one of the commonalities between the two and correct me. If you think I'm wrong about this kwami was that I remember in talking to Michael We were talking about his. You know his attitude toward playing basketball and he said Ron when the game is on the line. I WANNA be the one to determine the outcome if I succeed. I want the glory if I fail. I'll take the blame and I think you know as well as I do. Not everybody particularly athletes WanNa be put in that type of position was that a similarity that the two had. Oh Yeah I think. Kobe wanted more than just ahead of the game chat. Mike Michael Definitely You better not the ball unless he make happy for your Laptop Koby he's GonNa call volume being tag day. You know that's a very interesting point that you make because if Kobe is getting the ball most of the time how hard is it for you or for other players to get into site to some type of rhythm of the game then gotTa Trick Yourself. Mentally fans don't understand how hard they claim with guys that great You have to find other things to do. I play defense rebound. I think that And even now. I think I'm probably would be one of the better posted this league. They wouldn't I started off as a powerful Size three and By the time I finished I was shocked. One on one in the post. Y'All meeting one on one. The Post and they all knew. I think that the challenge anybody that you know that forward I was GONNA hold them. What do all the good players the big man? I'm talking about Kwami like yourself and like the ones you just mentioned. What is it that they all do well consistently You know I remember playing Elton Brand Year where he was having a Mazda year and the clippers and I think he was the hardest hardest hit dog that year to me and I always everybody. But he just consistently carried on both into offensive rebound. He was running underneath around shoveling. You out of the way getting vive out and then he was coming down the other day and you know sprint and floors hitting a jump shot He was great so I think the true good player. They just never having a head and they always the role of the big man and the center has really changed in professional basketball. Why was that and what do you think that role for the Big Guy is today? The role now They just want you to rebound We changed so much for God that it's so hard to guard a point or a three guard guy being so song and now you have no handshake and freedom of movement. You gotta let guys get to the states. And so if the point I don't think you remember when Detroit Pistons if teams seventy nine to seventy and playing great basketball. My my point of view. Because that's how you play that park. He goes. You're not allowed to have to start gardening. You hit them. And you'RE GONNA play you'RE GONNA pay for real so I think you'll have to generate more excitement and you know here we all with the Golden State Warriors. Is that good for the game in your opinion kwami. There's good for me. I mean it puts fans in the seats. And that's what it's all about. I mean Knock it and say it's not real basketball but you get to see you know some real town. I mean I do think they need to allow the sender to touch the guy a little more because they I mean they just he can't Abaci. You can't touch them. It's to tax but in the playoffs I think they let them play to version anything. You've had a chance to kind of reflect on your career and where you come through life and everything as you look back on it. What makes you smile? Or what makes you kind of frown? A little bit. Well coming from where I came from. You know I smell every day It was held to get to the NBA licensor ups and downs and You know I was really low and now it's really high only find out. I was going to be really no again because I stated when that plan and all that good stuff but you know now I find billy and being to get back then kidding it's fundamental again and now have children things so and now. I'm into big three though I still can enjoy the game. Know who knows what can happen. You know with the platform with big. Let's talk a little bit about the balance in your life because you sound as you said happy and everything and after all you went through. How did you keep the positive liberty of your thoughts? You know going through so much early on you know God. Only give you so much that you can handle. I mean You know going through the childhood that I went through. I think I was tightened channel. Eighty curry wouldn't have been able to be the number one picking through what I went through. I think I was the right guy for the job. Because of all that for around that You know title. Janna got a chance to to have a career and if you look at your two. He got but what year. He made five points five rebounds and they gave them sixty million still potential and I had. I think I was at seven or eight points but because I was the number one pick they act like it was a real different but I just don't think people do numbers as well because that is going to mean a world of difference and it's not gonna be out potential but In hindsight I wish I was giving the keys to either make a break myself but not you know play in the shadows but then J. but I feel appreciated comedy people can say they played along the door. When you look back over your life and your career to this particular point is there one Kwami in which you will always have engraved in your mind that you will never forget long. I appreciate every day. Nba for But I think they I remember Michael Jordan is gone. He was just forty birthdays. Forty five points and I just remember we celebrate and there was little happy won the game and then he signed motions being gave them typically so I think that was one of the special moments I let you go through the top times a kept you going because you play double digit years of professional basketball and could not have been easy off of what you told me but you know me out the media and Because I knew they didn't know me and I never stopped believing in my game. I challenge so I always go back to when I played in La. When I was healthy people just put together series of my numbers. What I played thirty minutes. You'll see that they consisted People don't even like the media went away. I WAS IN CHARLOTTE. I was older and my career Played some great basketball. I I got a chance to play pro salad. You know he would take me out if I did cheat the ball so like be program me from the whole Doug. How long Just rebound the ball. I facing basketball show but you know my agent said man. I wish he'd be on the wall. You know tires. Time has got forty million dollars for the same number that you just put up and They're saying you do it again instead of panicking. Because they're afraid that fan they're going to be negative with the team gets paid that much. I WanNa thank you for your honesty and your directness. I have thoroughly enjoyed this comeback and join me again on sports byline artifact Kwami Brown again center who was the first overall pick of the two thousand one draft a teenager the first one to be a teenager and be picked overall number one in the NBA. We continue on sports byline not too long ago. It felt good to withdraw your cash from the bank. Didn't it for a vacation or a new car? But today withdrawing your own cash has become risky Pat Boone here for Swiss America according to the secret war new Swiss America White Paper. 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Who's the first overall pick in the two thousand one? Nba draft by the wizards and was the first number one. Pick to be selected straight out of high school he played twelve years in the NBA but really did not overwhelm people with size or his talent he played for the Wizard Lakers Pistons Bob Cats warriors in Sixers and you heard him talk about the challenges. He had especially in the early part of his career. And we shared with you our interview with the late. Raleigh Mass Amino you died in August of two thousand seventeen but he also pulled off one of the biggest if not the biggest NC double a championship game upset when his Villanova team knocked off. Georgetown in the title game. I'm Ron Bar. Thanks for being a part of America's sports talk show. Lou Landers outlandish talks on twitter. And I'm Ron mcleese and mad dog on twitter. 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Our coming up. I are always enjoy the interview process. One of the reasons why I do and I've been doing that since I was twelve years old. That's when I got kind of bitten by the bug to interview people. I remember I was in the sixth grade. I had an opportunity to fill in for somebody who had gotten sick and they asked me if I could interview. I forget who the person was and I said of course I could do it even though I'd never done it before. And then the first time and serious nature. I interviewed somebody was John Plod. The Olympic Ski champion and I remember my aunt was with being. I did it down at a hotel in Washington DC. Which was where I was born and I remember interviewing him and my aunt said to me afterwards. Because I was about the at that time I think it was sixteen years old. She asked me. How did you know what the ask him and I said I don't know I just wanted to have a conversation with him and I've tried to be that way throughout my entire career. Just have a conversation with people. Because I've found that the fans out there while we can appreciate the efforts and the successes and failures of athletes. I think the thing that they can relate to more than anything else as the human aspect of it. Now you can't relate to how you hit a ninety five mile. An hour fastball or sink of three point shot at a crucial moment but the human aspect. What got them to where they are today. As far as playing sports or were they were when they did a sports as well. The background on a lot of these athletes is extremely interesting. I also get a lot of sports books across my desk and I love reading them. I think sports books give you a depth the stories that maybe you can get when you watch television or maybe not even in an interview as well and I got a book by Ed Henry and this is a for us at sports byline usually our guests. Our players coaches managers owners or commissioners. But Ed Henry is Fox News Channel's chief White House correspondent and he has written a book about Jackie. Robinson called forty two faith. You're going to find this fascinating and interesting then right after that Sheldon Hirsch is going to be with us As I said I love sports books especially the ones that make you. Think and Sheldon Hirsch has written a book. It's called hot hands draft hype and Dimaggio's streak debunking America's favorite sports myths. I think you'll really enjoy this. So we're ready to crank it up when we come back on the other side. Ed Henry will be here to talk about his book. Forty-two faith on sports byline. Don't go out to eat. Go OUT TO EAT AT. Chili's chicken or shrimp. The heaters are now on three for ten. So here that chickens or that. Shrimp sizzle similar people laughing and having fun Gary. Maybe it's a bit much. Sorry just kidding Gary Truth out to eat at Chili's for three for ten. That's a starter for he and Co offer ten bucks together we chilies. 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It's a great question. I'm a major baseball fan. I've really got a passion for the game but I never thought I'd write a book certainly not about a dodger because I go up gang span but I came upon this accidentally really ten years ago. October two thousand seven. I'm a young reporter in Washington and I'm invited to this big dinner at the Belgium bassus house and I thought wow it made. There's going to be a big dinner. It'd be fun it's fancy pants off. Work Strike One and baseball pilots was when I sat down. I heard that Belgium ambassador say at his home but he was serving pigeon. Now I learned later that There's a fancy term for this and someone has fancies yourself by no kids like me from the story of Queen. I don't know it's called squabble. It's actually a delicacy. I see Belgium But you know growing up derrick city and then long island thought what are the what I could think about what these dirty birds at pigeons. Okay except straight to is. It's basically got these little bones and you pick it out. Strike three was. This is a relatively small dinner. Party a senator. Was there getting awards and as want to happen in Washington rather than just giving us a two or three minute. Thank you gracious senator. Basically it's all of us for twenty minutes or something and so a strike three. I turned to the woman next to me. And I. It's really Nice. But I'M GONNA leave before desert because the world series is on it was the rockies and the red sox. I didn't really have a dog in the fight but I said I was taking off woman said. Are you baseball fan? I yeah she said my late. Father in law put a major role in baseball history. But the story's never been told now I know you like I would sit back down and I get. And what are you talking about? This woman said Donna. Shore was named. She said that her father in law was minister at Brooklyn in nineteen forty five and there was a knock at the door. One day secretary calls up to the second floor. Says advantage theory has a problem. He needs to see the minister right away. Send-up administers doing work at his desk. The band says in a state of despair. I need to think of this I I need to be alone. My boss finishes. I'll keep doing my work event. Paces he sits county standards up he size. He faces more he prays after forty. Five minutes of this demand. Finally Slams this down says I've got it grabs. His hat starts to walk out And as the woman told me she said what do you mean out with it? You have to tell me after all my patients here and she and she turned to me and said do you know who that man was and I said well so. It's nineteen forty five branch rickey because he signed Jackie the first binary contract with Montreal oils forty she said Yep branch rickey secretly had second thoughts about whether he can really go through signing Jackie that first contract and he didn't want to tell anyone so you had the secret meeting with the minister and at the end of the meeting. He said I've decided to sign up to. I contract most difficult decision in my life I needed to be in your presence with. He said administer. I need to be in God's presence to doubt it was the right thing to do. Now I said come on how? How is this true? And that's a reporter. You know again. This is ten years ago. I have a day job as you said so. I can't focus on my energies on tracking down a baseball story from nineteen forty five but obviously as you also. This is not just a baseball story about civil rights. It's about America. It's about faith in God and so I started collecting string on this over time and learn that the minister before he died in the early sixties told his wife about it. Obviously he kept the conversation confidential As ministers do but he wanted he didn't want it to be lost on history so his wife sat on it until branch rickey the mid sixties and wrote a five page essay put a church bulletin and by the way the Churches Plymouth Church Brooklyn Heights. Very famous church still standing. Today it was a stop on the underground railroad in the eighteen hundreds. So there's a lot of symbolism here and it sent me on a journey to say gamma political reporter but I wanNA write the story about faith not just baseball And figure out how pivotal was speed and branch. Rickey decision making this move that integrated baseball the changed America. And maybe more importantly how Portland state the Jackie Robinson. You know it's interesting. You bring that up because when I launch sports byline as the first national sports. Talk Radio Network back in nineteen eighty eight. I asked him if won't be my very first guest and now we weren't friends but he said yes and he flew in from Reno or he was appearing and and came into the studio. We were only two hours a night Monday through Friday and it was the Great Willie. Mays and we talk baseball for an hour. But I want to ask you and if you came away with the research that you did on this book and knowing what you found out about Jackie Robinson what did you come away with. As far as his feeling about the times and what he was trying to do because the first question I asked Willie said will you were sixteen years old. You grew up in Alabama not a particularly openminded time in this country. How hard was it for you to play baseball with a passion for the game? I know what his answer was. And I'm just wondering what you sensed. It was like for for Jackie Robinson. During that time well it was probably harder because for my research and then slowly base hank there. You've heard many others who came after Jackie. Who said they? They're not sure they would have been able to withstand on pressure and punishment and attack. That he's as I mean you know he wasn't just having racial epithets shouted at him. He was having his life literally endanger and so The reason why I tied the eight year they see no. Jackie had a spot. It was a Methodist Valley. Roberts is it still faith him in early? Age and Jackie then joined a gang though. Because he's raised by a single bombs. Dad Wasn't around at Pasadena And remember he joined a gang and you may or may not go and it was a reverend April down at the Methodist Church in Pasadena. One of many stops on the research for. Who said look? You've got this great talent. Four letter man at Ucla. What he turned out to pick you. You've got so much athlete account going to waste this unless you get on the right path. So Jackie even after starting the Gridiron at Ucla for example on Saturdays years later would still get out of bed on Sunday morning and go teach Sunday school at the reverend downs. Church the commitment that ever down that to him so the answer a question about how hard it was for. Jackie I think he discrimination throughout his entire life but they were technically no Jim Crow laws passed but is it very racist town of he faced one discrimination after another And I think he was primed to deal with the pressure maybe uniquely qualified. And that's what branch Rickey did. I founded my research. That he sent he secretly soundly scouts. Like by Suport for you know all about And didn't even really tell them what he was doing. And what the end result was going to be but said he wanted to include Negro League stars in his reports As well as some Latin players and others and he didn't just have them look at. You Know Kenny Kenny. Throw the ball from the whole shortstop first base. He also wanted to know about their faith. He wanted to know whether or not they had a girlfriend or a wife. Because Ricky was planning all out very carefully not just this meeting with minister but finding out if someone like. Jackie Robinson have a support network when the pressure got hot you know he had Rachel there by his side and as you know. She's still alive and she was one of the most important pieces of this whole story so. I think the answer question Jackie facing be pressures but maybe he was uniquely qualified to handle it and branch. Rickey do that was. Jackie committed to playing baseball when he was offered the opportunity by branch. Rickey or did it take some persuading. It took persuading sensitive simply. Do not believe that it was real. I tap into some of his personal writings and just papers at the Library of Congress. And what's interesting is Jackie You know talks very openly about a train ride from Chicago where he got a tap on the shoulder from that Scout. Clyde Suport. Who's who told him at equally game. Hey Robertson come over here and you standing at the railing and say company get the Stevens Hotel the Stevens Hotel Because I wanNA talk to you and to actually I am. You Know I. I've heard this before. He approached by other major league teams and it was all Mirage. So Jackie in his personal writing said that when he when soup fourth gained his trust and finally got him on a train from Chicago to Brooklyn beat with branch rickey in August of forty five. For the first time he simply didn't believe it because remember another piece that I that I learned is that it's a red sox had called Jackie and a couple of players in for a tryout before he met with ricky months before and it was basically a sham trial. They struggled along they strongly guys long saying. Oh we really want you to play the big. They were just doing it for show. They were doing a pay for public relations. And Jackie had that tryout at fenway the fame segue arts. There was somebody in the crowd. It was believed to be maybe even achieve objective. It was never fully confirmed shouting the N. Word and other things so they weren't serious about it so that's our question you know. Jackie was short. It was real. What's branch rickey? Sat him down to fifteen monetary st right near where? I'm standing by the way because it was just a bet with Jackie Robinson surviving son David Robinson ahead of the seventieth anniversary of Jackie's first game and steal. Once you know branch Rickey Convinced. This was for real. He didn't eat that much convincing. Finally he realize wait a second. This is my date with destiny. We only have about forty seconds before we have to break. How his Brooklyn play into this? As far as the story Carl Erskine is one of the last surviving quickly. Listen to Anderson the ninety or so sharp attack. He was very helpful debate their baseball fan. You'll love to say because of all the baseball stories erskine and others tell what he tells me. Pointblank is that this could have happened anywhere but Brooklyn because it was such a melting pot. Remember a branch rickey had created the FARM SYSTEM. You know had co created the minor leagues as an executive in. Saint Louis. Long before he was a Saint Louis was donald melting pot dot back in the twenties thirties forties but Brooklyn was and is an it. Prowler skin. Somebody who was there. You don't have to take it from me. Says that Brooklyn was critical element to this and Henry is with us. We're talking about his outstanding book. It's called forty two faith. I want to urge everybody to check it out or give you a wonderful look. See at a man. That was a pioneer when it came to Major League Baseball and also it was a difficult time in this country. And we're GONNA make it a selection of the month on the sports byline book corner. We continue across the country and around the world. 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Three seven four nine one eight hundred five nine three seven four nine one call now. This is America's sports talk show sports byline USA. Here's Ron Bar at Henry is with us on sports byline again. I hope you'll check out this book. It is just an excellent read. It's called forty-two faith. You mentioned about Rachel and of course. She was kind of quiet soldier in the background. But during his darkest hours and making this transition and and being a pioneer and breaking the color barrier. How did she fit into this? What did she do well? She was by his side and one of the most remarkable things that I founded by research. And the reason why we call it. Forty two fake because of Jackie. Strong faith in God that sustained him he had raped so by his side and she had and still has a strong faith and one of the stories. She likes to tell. Isn't that rookie season of nineteen forty seven? I tell you two stories want it. Forty seven Rachel remembers every night after Chemo. Bevis Field Jackie would come home to their apartment and he would kneel down and zombies and pray to God just like his mother taught in Pasadena to maybe you know. Reflect on what had happened that day out of abuse. It had maybe some of the good things that had happened on bill And and maybe get something this book a day ahead the second story. I'll tell you that was about faith and more about pure guts. And that's Rachel. Robinson in the fifties tagged along with her husband in eating with Walter Valley and the owner of the daughters obviously got very controversial when he's actually moved into Los Angeles that's a whole nother story. We can talk about but basically Mr Valley was riding jackets for saying he had an injury missing a couple of spring training games and he ride Jackie riding. Jackie finally Rachel jumped in he. Maybe o'malley bought that Rachel Shrinking Violet as an African American woman in the fifties. She listened and finally said. You know I've had enough of this. You Know Jackie bus but he does this. He does that all. He does bleed dodger blue. He stands up for his teammates. He stood up to the entire establishment and she read him the riot. Act And recounted in forty two what that shows me is. This was obviously not just racial discrimination. But a time when women were not expected to kind of speak up especially not to the white owner of the world famous book dodgers but Rachel Robinson just like her husband was fearless. You know another person that I've heard as instrumental in his early days in Major League Baseball. With the Dodgers pee wee. Reese tell me a little bit about him in that story because a lot of people may not know reese did. Yeah well you know. It's funny because he was serving the navy heading home on a ship near the end of World War. Two and it came crackling through a radio that the dodgers at signed this young African American player to a minor league contract. One of pee wee reese's comrades Said Hey did you hear you know your dodgers? You're going back to you. Know be signed a black player And guess what he we. He's the shortstop. Because at that time and bigger lease Jackson shortstop of course he ended up beginning with the dodgers. First Baseman. Really starring. A second base never really got deletes way to keep a close friend but two points one is he says you know. And he's now launched. Its past but he would call that. He was a nervous wreck. The Jackie was GONNA take his job. Essentially not just that he that he would lose the post at shortstop. Put that the Folks Back Home in Louisville Kentucky riding for saying what completely and took your job this with the Times in America and he we felt that I talked to Larry King Broadcaster. Who Do real well before he got to pee. We felt that because it came on a Jackie's closest friends but the forties. You know he was nervous. That the folks back home in Kentucky. We're really going to ride them. But then of course. There's this kind of legend about that. Rookie season of forty seven then. The peewee allegedly threw his arm around. Jackie Cincinnati I there's been dispute about that. What I think inclusion I come to the book is the Peewee who later became the captain of course did show great leadership and stood up for Jackie. It did throw his arm around him but more likely to happen in nineteen forty eight in Boston and the source I after that is Jackie Robinson himself. I did extensive research and founded magazine Article. The Jackie himself wrote in the fifties where he recounted while there is a statue as you know Allegedly depicting you know. Something happened in sixty forty seven. Remember that as noted. Jackie was playing first base. Forty-seven seconds so. It's unlikely that while Jackie was being written by by some fans that he would have left the shortstop position over at first base in forty seven to put his arm around him. More likely in forty eight Jacky was now at second base. Peewee came over and sold him. The point is regardless of which year in which city is that peewee ratio. Great Guts in standing up as a white man for his teammate. And saying enough is enough. Cut out the abuse and that was a leadership moment. That stuck with Jackie and stuff with a lot of people. That's the story I had heard as well briefly. Tell me a little bit about how the fans of baseball received. Jackie not just in Brooklyn but around the league. Well you know one of the things. That's interesting is France freaky. The general manager of the dodgers we talked about at the top with sometimes jive Particularly by African American journalists for only being motivated not by white or black book by greed. Buddy saying look All he wants to bring more black fans and ebbets field. Ricky swore that that was not the case but I do think it was a kind of thing whether it was intended or not. It was a byproduct of Jackie coming out to play two things number one. A lot of African American cancer previously a bother to go to ebbets field or Cincinnati. They stadiums all around the country callers in the picture members Told me that he remembers play game at Cincinnati where there were these special trains In the Mid West event it click games in the south were special trains put together for African Americans coming from Birmingham and other cities were there. Were not basically can't taking them walk to Cincinnati or somewhere else to see yes. Jackie Robinson play so many of these owners of the opposing teams that had opposed integration of the game ended up making a ton of money. Jackie Roberts it's back because Jackie something to their stadium whether it be in Cincinnati or Saint Louis a lot of new fans awkward. But I would be remiss if I didn't mention that one of the key characters by book is Jerry. Line store The owner of the Chicago Chicago Bulls who was a kid flatbush. Eleven years old. It's Akis first game and recounts everything about ebbets field for being forty to say but he also knows that. Look as a white kid growing up in Brooklyn. He couldn't care less about Jackie skin. He just wanted a good player. Who'S GONNA find? We put the bombs over the top. I think that's what's fascinating is research that the kids in Brooklyn got it before many of the adults. They said we just want somebody who's going to help them. Finally that darn world series white black or whatever and you know rather than giving into the racial business a lot of kids like Jerry Lambsdorff at the age of eleven flatbush. They could care less as long as the guy can hit the ball. Who CARES SWEATER BLACK? You know it took a lot of the rest of the country. Maybe they're a lot longer to figure that out but I think some of the kids actually got it before the adults. We only have about two and a half minutes and I want to talk about something in your book. You say well I was covering President Obama for CNN. In March two thousand eleven. I had a chance to attend off the record cocktail party with him at the White House. From the outside it probably appeared as if there was not much love lost between the two of us. That's why the private conversation. We had the night in the historic Cross Hall of the White House About Jackie. Robinson was so remarkable and he talked about the president. Saying I want you to tell her meaning Rachel Robinson something for me. Tell her I believe there is a straight line from what Jackie did to me. Being elected the first African American president. I want you to tell her that you know when I read that. I got goosebumps. Yeah it was moving to be. It's rare for any president to say to return to your sent a message to someone particularly because you know we had some back and forth when I was covering just like you know White House. Correspondents Do But this wasn't a buddy buddy thing it was just him saying look. I want you to send this message. It reminded me of the gravity of Jackie. Robinson's legacy and I think that is the key it transcends baseball in transcend sports. It's not just a civil rights story. It's not just a soaring that talked about. It's not just a baseball story. This is a man who also the NBA. Who BY THE WAY BILL? Russell was on the pallbearers. At Jackie's funeral and I keep seventy two for that reason he expanded it far beyond just baseball all the way into politics and our government because there would be a Barack Obama without Jackie Robinson. And so he opened the door. The door might have been cracked open by branch. Rickey cracking Jackie Robinson. Keep that door down in the minute. We have left. What do you want people to take away from this book? In that there were two men who were that Bradford Jackie Robinson. Who were I'll give for generations? It's different races came from different parts of the country. I talked about Pasadena where Jackie came of age. Ricky came up on a farm in Ohio along the Kentucky border so different generations different regions different races but they were bound together by baseball and a strong faith in God. If you put those two together there's about that's about as Americans if you've got. Are you happy with the way the book came out? I loved the cover of the book's fantastic. We've got the forty to their Jackie reaching for a ball as if he's reaching for Heaven's and that's worth forty two faith is all about and I just can't wait to your listeners. Get a chance to put their hands on it. Because I'm very proud of it and I really appreciate the time spent because I think your questions you very insightful. L look forward actually coming in and sit down with the and having a longer conversation I was just going to tell you I have so many more questions of you and I would enjoy a conversation in person very very much. You're welcome here anytime so I'll look forward to reaching out and let me know what your schedule is. Thank you ed yet. All right take care at Henry with us again. It is not a coach not a player Non Manager. Nana Commissioner is actually with Fox News Channel. These the chief White House correspondent and check out this book. It's one of the great books on Baseball on Sports. And it's called forty two faith. We continue across the country and around the world. It's good to have you here with us on America's sports talk show Isaac. He missed the winning dunk and cost your team that championship. What are your thoughts well? I switched to boost mobile and got a super fast network of four free Samsung Galaxy phones. So even when we lose I still win. 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This is America's Sports Talk Show Sports Byline USA appears Rod Bar Sheldon hearst joins us on sports. Byline. I love sports books that make you think and Sheldon Hershiser. Such a book. It's called hot hands draft hype and Dimaggio streak the bunking. America's favorite sports miss and it was written by Sheldon Hersh Pediatric Kidney Specialists. But also a self professed sports GEEK chairman. How did you get your Geek them? How did that come about well? You know I. I was born to man who was a sports geek Ed He was a calculus professor statistician so I grew up with a slide rule and reading box scores every day and playing strata matic And and never never stopped. I can imagine you probably in discussions with your friends about sports. Probably drive them crazy do you not. I think that's been said I mentioned my dad and my mom was a debate coach so I so I got that part of it too we I. I grew up in the house only with sports in numbers. But we're people. People were encouraged to speak their mind and and examined physicians. That other people set forth. And you know learn. Learn how to make your own good arguments yourself so that all fit together explained to me sports contrarian. Well I mean contrarian I think has a little bit of a negative connotation I would prefer to pull an open mindedness and what? I call a healthy skepticism. Now you mentioned that the frolics which is true and one of the things that you earn in science and in medicine is healthy skepticism. And what that means is that when People even in science and medicine tell you something instead of just saying hi. Yes that must be so you ask. What's the evidence and you have your mind open to the possibility that there may be other evidence or that the evidence that's given isn't quite what it seems seems so if you approach things with a healthy skepticism in medicine and life and certainly in sports you may very well find that there are lots of things that you're told about that may not hold up to good examination and so. I did that with my lifetime of sports. I've been a fan since nineteen sixty two In fact The the It's made it all night. My earliest memory is willing to cover hitting the line. Drive with two outs in the ninth inning of game seven of the San Francisco and Yankees World Series which for New York Fan. Fortunately went right at Bobby. Richardson but at any rate If you if you examine sports in that matter you you know you'll you'll find things that don't ring right and that's what form this book one of the things. I appreciate it about. The book is that we share a common philosophy. And I think you'll agree with this sheldon. I believe the two to four but I also believe you can get to three and one is four one and three is four and I don't think all people take a look at the different angles. I felt that this is what you were trying to do with the book. I think I appreciate that and I think that's a fair assessment. We tend to whole to what I'll call dogmas For example in in basketball is one good example of this It's sad that Russell Westbrook can't win a title. 'cause you can't win without without a pass first point guard or that you can't win without a superstar or that you can't win without three point shooting that you can't do this you can't do but I think the world and sports also more complicated than that and there are all sorts of different ways to to get to the same result and I hope that comes across in the book. Do you think sheldon than most people when it comes to an argument about anything. But we're talking sports here that they look at what they see and not the nuances of an issue. I think that's true and in part I think it depends how interested you are if you have if you have a superficial interest. That's as far as you want to go. But if you're really interested in something I think you really WanNa know what's true about it. What's not true about what the real explanations are What the new. Who is our WIA team won? Why team lost What are the different ways to get to four and I think that makes the whole experience much more rewarding much more interesting than just who wanted loss so I I would definitely agree with that one of the things? Also I liked is that you looked at some subject as I don't think most people would look at and let me just get into some of these and give us your reasoning and your thinking on on a couple of these. Does the hot hand which we hear so often exist in sports. But that's a really interesting topic because everyone who has ever an basketball but anyone who's ever played basketball absolutely knows for certain that there's a such thing as a hot against which means that for example if you hit two or three or four shots in a row the phrases you're in the zone and the next shot is much more likely to go in then say based on your usual shooting percentage. Well the interesting thing about this. Is that a lot of very smart people. And I'm talking about Nobel Prize. Winning types of people had studied this mathematically and found out that it actually is not the case so here you have on the one hand something that all sentient best people players feel in their bones and on the other hand. Some smart people studied academically. And say when exist so one of the things I did because it just didn't make sense to me as I looked at very carefully. Some of the best studies that have been purportedly. Sh show that a hockey and doesn't exist and I signed that they're flawed and go through that in the book Ending up with the suggestion. Matt These really smart accurate. Additions have not disproven hockey and and that may very well be that all the rest of us are right in Right you also talk about a couple of basketball issues that I was fascinated about you know as well as I do. People say so and so is the greatest of all time but the game is played in different errors different rules different players capabilities and one of the ones you address was would wilt Chamberlain dominate in the NBA. Today what did you come up with? Well there's a very interesting kind of dichotomy about athletes like wilt and that is this. We all go that. The bulk of athletes in any sport. Second percents time for the ninth. Get better over time. Today's athletes are buying large better than the ones fifty or sixty years ago. On the other hand if you take the very few athletes in the twenty first century who were two three four standard deviations beyond the me who stood well out At the very very edgy and the out curve. It's almost as if they reached a wall of human ability that physiologically can't be surpassed and I think wilt was one of those people. And you're not really just speculate usually when we compare athletes teams over different Where we're just speculating. But we have objective. Data will for example. We know how fast one hundred yard Dash. We know along rudge out pal. Hi Hijab we know how much he bench pressed. We know how how fast he ran the four forty. We know his height and weight. And I can tell you with certainty that there's no player in the NBA. Who Batches Wiltz combination of size strength and documented speed and leaping ability? And it's probably not going to happen in the future either. If anyone you know people may equal will people may someday surpass wealth by a Hair or very small amount. But it's going but we'll basically reached the wall of human ability. That's what I like about the book about about your explanation on this that you looked at the talented and I really think that. That's how issues like this and debates like this should be looked at the other one on basketball and it's one that I think has a lot of people still talking about and probably will in years to come comparing the ninety six Chicago Bulls to the two thousand sixteen warriors. Tell me about that one. Well of course You Know Steph Curry and the warriors got all this publicity very justly so in my mind guys like Charles Barkley and Kenny Smith and Scotty Pippin and Michael Jordan you know went into this old over never when we were mad at dinosaurs ruled the earth and and the warriors couldn't have won a game from the Bulls and and that's just crazy Now not saying the warriors would have beaten the Bulls in a seven game series because only the Bulls had Michael Jordan. And that's a pretty big advantage but one of the things they talked about it specifically disrespecting curry is the Inability of players to hand check. Now Barkley made a big point of that about that. Oscar Robertson made a big point about that Oscar. Made it sound like every step. He took on the court three guys where they're hugging him and it was legal. And actually it's true. Obviously the rule Players were no longer allowed to hand. Check in the interim between the the two teens. We're talking about And that certainly helps offensive players today. Like curry on the other hand. All those guys who talked about acted like that's the only change that happened in the game over the last twenty years well in other changes at the game over. The last twenty years changes that tender curvy and the warriors and help Jordan and the Bulls and in comparison that I'll mention just two of them. One is that teams are allowed to zone now so at teams now have much more sophisticated defenses so they they overload the strong side. When curry has the ball out on the wing Say at the three point line. He's facing three players. The guy guarding him and two guys shifted over in back to them. That wasn't legal and Britain's Day. When Jordan got by his one player there was a lot more open space than doesn't face Now this point is the globalization of the game. They're now a hundred or more foreign players in the game today than they were even back in Jordan's Day and every single one of them has replaced a lesser player. Who would have been on the court? If it weren't for the globalization the game so courteous facing better players and under different rules. And you have to keep that in mind. When you compare the warrior to the Bulls. Even from twenty years ago. We have a couple minutes left in the one chapter of the book that I was interested in was the mythology of Mohammed Ali. What is it that people don't know about him? Well I think it's not so much with. They don't know but as what they forget or choose not to remember. And that is that in the decades between the sixties and Seventies. He had some really malevolent features about him the way he treated. Joe Frazier to a lesser extent. George Foreman Ernie Terrell I mean it was really cool Floyd Patterson he basically Kept them around the beat him up for his own personal Reasons and and the way the things he said about Joe Frazier. His is radical ideologic ideology which was essentially racist. I mean there was much dislike about Hamad already in the nineteen sixties and sits there and and the eulogies which of course always positive. We kind of Paint him as a more monolithic safe. Now to be fair Ali was young man then and he evolved and by any question he became a much more gracious in inclusive and respectable figure and in fact became a hero of mine just like Basically the whole world and I think he's been fat. You will Status as a great man and one of the world's great figures was fully deserved. But I think he gets there without whitewashing they sorta parts of. And that's part that we. I think we have kind of whitewashed. We have about a minute left. What would you like people to take away from this Book Sheldon? Mostly I that. I hope it's a really fun and interesting read And also that it will make you think about things Perhaps in ways that you haven't thought about before As you know I run through a scores topics in the three major sports especially baseball a basketball and I'd like to think every single one presents an interesting question that a a reader my wonder about and enjoy reading about and I present an argument in some fashion or other. That may be different than What you thought. I don't of course have the expectation that readers will agree with everything that I say or even most that I say but what I hope is that everything will be challenging and interesting and that you will flow through the pages of this book. Be Glad you read it and give it to a friend. Yeah I agree with you. Are you happy with the way the book came out Sheldon? I'm I'm very happy and I'm happy to talk to me about my pleasure because as I said I like books that make you think this book does that. I know that the readers will get a lot out of it so I hope they'll check it out sheldon thank you and come back and join us again on sports byline anytime you thanks very much. Sheldon Hirsch and again. Check out this book. It's called hot hands draft hype and Dimaggio Streak debunking America's favorite sports myths myths like the pros and cons of batting the pitcher eighth. Also the suggestions across a range of sports to decrease injury risk as well very insightful. Interesting the heavy with us here on sports byline not too long ago. It felt good to withdraw your cash from the bank. Didn't it for a vacation or a new car? But today withdrawing your own cash has become risky Pat Boone here for Swiss America. According to the secret war a new Swiss America White Paper. 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It's time and as we draw closer to the madness as we get into the bigger conference tournaments Perhaps that conversation will get its due but Let's look ahead to April and May and for some teams You know it's time to start thinking about the lottery and the NBA draft at the end of June. But now a lot of surprises Jack. Bella surprises Miami's been good at home. Philadelphia's been disappointing. But they're still gonNA make the playoffs. Boston is what you expect them to be. Toronto is the defending champion. But not exactly the same team coming back in nineteen and twenty. No they they had a little bit of fall off. They lost a believe. A couple of people as you know I focus more on NCWA THAN NBA but it has been an interesting season. Leonard a big part of that Toronto Championship team he relocates the West. End Immediately. Brings relevancy to the clippers. Not Tally basketball but La Basketball figures to be extremely relevant. Because you have to call the drama with the Lakers and then you have quite Leonard twos one in San Antonio. He's one in Toronto. Can't he win with the other? La Team? I think that's a big question like I said it's been interesting. It's GonNa be fun to see it. Go down the I guess. Quote Unquote final stretching. All right then. Houston tried to upgrade by adding what Russell Westbrook they subtract. Chris Paul Chris Paul kind of the headliner with the Oklahoma City Thunder but Houston just doesn't seem up to snuff to commute with either of the Los Angeles teams here in the twenty twenty season as we approach the twenty twenty plus Jeff. This is all territory on sports overnight. America you're listening to the sports byline broadcast network and we'll be right back. Took type of guy that wants look put together but doesn't want to spend hours at the mall finding new clothes so you can look great at the office on the Broder even just on the weekend with friends and family I hear you. 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He's got to hold onto the ball. And for the first time in franchise history the warriors are back to back champions three titles in four years for Goldens eight against Lewd. Jr Smith Lives Kicks Warburg stocked up because no one ever said life stare. Here's FOUL TERRITORY WITH JEFF. Injin on sports overnight America all right very welcome back in. It is foul territory. We're talking NBA. We're going to get to the contenders but first let's talk a little bit about the pretenders Jeff Rich gender rich with you from Phoenix Arizona. If you don't know our backgrounds Jenin I are longtime Phoenicians She grew up in the Chicago area. I grew up in the Cleveland area. We've both got what like fifteen plus years of edicts experience under our belt. Probably not most of them rooting for the Phoenix team. So now I'm going to hit fifteen years the summer. So yeah fifteen years coming up this summer supported plus years for both of us I've approaching what Nineteen years in the Valley of the side Probably our focus more on the oats. The diamond backs The Sun devils. Thank you for the Democrats have been Kinda Lovin hate depending on what was going on because they were quite contentious with the cubs for a while. Oh that's never been a fuzz. I don't believe cardinals I've ever been. We've always liked the diamondbacks or the sun levels I think we did dance. Briefly with the wildcats decided that we We like our hometown more. We do like our hometown more. And I'm going to bring up some Arizona wildcats here in this segment. You know we're GonNa talk about the contenders restock about the dregs of the league. Which talk about the teams? That aren't very good despite the hype that they tend to get year in and year out. You know You brought up a New York. You brought up golden state and Golden State's got titles New York. It's been a long time Predates either of our lifetime saw since they've last one title and it's it's been since we were children which is weird because they're so relevant and so many other things. The city of New York is now but the Knicks are not I mean. The Rangers Rangers tend to compete in the NHL from time to time. It's been a while for the mets but They've been in the world series. The Yankees of course have won the world series but not in the last decade goats. Pay For the the twenty tonnes that came and went with the end of twenty nineteen. Were the first decade that did not see the Yankees played or win a world series and What else we got. We got the islanders they were. They were really good in the seventies and the eighties. It's been a while for them as well. But the Knicks just the Knicks. Just haven't done much of anything they used to be. Michael Jordan's main competition in the Eastern Conference and speaking of Michael Jordan he played for the Bulls Ra- longtime lifelong Washington. Wizard also played a short stint of his career with the Chicago. Bulls right WHO's Michael Jordan so They want some titles in the ninety six to be exact six of the ten that were out there to be one in the nineteen nineties. But it's been a long time that that's not the Chicago Bulls team that we can talk about on a nightly radio show such as the one we host the we call foul territory again. It's on at ten. Pm Pacific Time. Monday through Thursday Jen on the Mike and he hit me as well Sirius. Xm To eleven iheartradio streaming live at sports byline dot com but The Knicks and this year the warriors. Because they don't have Kevin Durant they haven't had steph curry or Klay Thompson For a long part of the season and They have not been very good New Orleans get some headlines because they have the first overall pick but he didn't play for a while I on Williamson and then the Detroit Pistons. I only bring them up because Detroit's just had such bad luck across the board. The Tigers Lions are always bad. Tigers had a little little run there but it did not equal title for them The Red Wings its benefits. They've missed the playoffs. Last couple of seasons and the Pistons. It's better longtime listens to have a guy named Derek rose who was drafted by Jan by the Bulls. Yeah it was an MVP with the Chicago Bulls. You know the thing that sticks to me most and I know that you know this because they bring it up. All the time is the charm. Kalahari talked about him. You know the one year that he was at Memphis they have you know. He's got to grow up ten grilled cheese sandwiches the day. I wonder if he continued that. If you cut down to a more reasonable number like six I feel because I'm an adult now I I feel. You never grow tired of eating grilled cheese sandwiches. There are never enough grilled cheese sandwiches. Especially when your doctor tells you you specifically need to stop eating grilled cheese sandwiches so maybe like just just one or two a day like no more like zero zero. Oh it's such a sad NBA player. You can eat that many and not have the same cholesterol issues and whatnot. Well if you play twenty eight minutes right and it's all just plaque buildup and arteries ti. Yeah who needs who needs the ticker all right. Speaking of sad conversation let's Let's go through some sad sacks teams of local interests to ask the Sun's teams of local interest to you the Bulls. Your family was into the Bulls though not just because they were winning but because they were something to do something to do something to watch in the winter or the blackhawks weren't on TV. I guess mostly I mean there were some S- lumper years there where the Bulls were struggling to fill the stadium. Were struggling to pull up the ratings but Seattle at the Bulls. See quite. Catch it the same way. That Cleveland is in saying that they were never relevant without Michael Jordan. Everybody says that the cabs weren't really relevant without Lebron James. Despite the fact that you know both teams have made the playoffs without that superstar player the Bulls obviously more recently. Because it's been a long time since. Mj played for that team so You and I are the first to admit that we don't follow the NBA all closely. But you know if something is big even if it's not something that we watch especially closely we should be familiar named should at least ring a bell. I'M GONNA go through a couple of names from the Bulls and then we'll do the cavs and I know that you watch capital but more than the average Chicago born native Because you know you're in such close proximity to me but the cabs haven't been much to watch of late so let's start with the Chicago Bulls and I'm just GONNA name off a couple of years. Give me one to ten. How familiar you are with the name. And I'll start with making nineteen and a half million dollars a year Zach Levine. I know who that guy is. Okay so that's a tad. I know who that guy is but obviously not enough because I think I've in mispronounce his name several times on the show and you do Vile score updates each every night that we go live all right. How about Lauri Markkanen? He's making five point three million dollars a year and he's a university of this was to be on numbers let's go with like negative fourteen to fourteen negative. Fourteen Larry Markkanen Otto Porter Jr. is their numbers numbers lower than negative fourteen or the negative fourteen. I'm just GONNA keep negative fourteen as my lowest number Shaquille Harrison from Tulsa. So I WANNA put him in six. But I don't know why I think it's just because Shaquille seems familiar familiar. Kinda Fun name. One more lead in the national championship for Villanova Ryan Archie. Ikano Villanova was in the National Championship. Home I the cavs Cavaliers Matthew Della Vedova. I okay so do recognize that name but I am surprised. I didn't know he was still there. I didn't know he was still a CAV. How Kevin Love? Oh Yeah Oh yes. I definitely know where to go with the seven. We're GONNA go with well. No it's ten. I am very familiar with his name. I just did not know he was still wearing a cavs uniform. And then Kevin love is like a positive fifty million. I don't know if there's one thing just doesn't work Tristan Thompson that again like yeah credentialing connections to right. That's bonus points at bonus points for that one personal stuff not only do. I know he's a Cav but I know personal things about him. Okay okay. That's worth something. You're listening to territory. We are the jet destroyer network. Any debt you have credit card tens student loan debt. Call now for free information that helps you destroy your debt. It's great advice plus when you make this free call now. We have debt destroyer experts. Ready to help they can show you how to destroy your debt and get your life back on track. Jet Problems don't have to be overwhelming. You could live stress-free and debt free credit cards medical bills. Irs Tax problems even student loan debt. Learn about free programs offered by the Credit Card Companies Hospitals. 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So take advantage of this cash. Offer call quick cash offer now. Eight hundred four to six to three zero one. Eight hundred four to six to three zero one. That's eight hundred four to six twenty. Three O one works better what she says his final. Jan Rich is always keeping score here. On sports overnight America Agana generated back at you with some final scores from Thursday March. The fifth over on the court in the NBA. The nuggets edged out the Hornets. One Fourteen to one twelve and Houston goes only seven forty two from three point range. They go on to fall one. Twenty two one. Oh five to the clippers over on the ice in the NHL. The sabers continued to struggle dropping a fifth straight after a four to two loss to the penguins. Lightning struck four times to shut out the Canadians. Ford nothing the flyers extended their win. Streak to eight eight four. Two one win over the hurricanes. The panthers fell in overtime to the bruins Florida's three bike zebina. Jed had five of the Rangers six goals defeating the capital's six to five in overtime. That fiscal came in overtime. He is only the second player in NHL history to have five goals being scored in overtime. Ottawa edged out the New York Islanders. Four to three the stars got shut out by the predators to nothing and Chicago slowed down the oilers momentum with a four to three win. That's a wrap from me. Let's throw it back over. Jeff Gordon again. Everyone it is the vegas our on foul territory. The part of these sports overnight America Block on sports byline show airs live at ten. Pm Pacific Time seven nights a week. But you'll get yours. Truly Jeff rich and over on the couch. We have generous. You only get us four times a week. That's Monday through Thursday nights but You can catch the archives on IHEART radio and John. Let's pick it up right where we left off talking about baseball in Vegas Talking about the Las Vegas Ballpark. The Las Vegas Aviators and New New ballpark versus old ballpark Definitely upgrade and we've got The as which depending on how you look at it upgrade or downgrade from the New York mets a parent club. There's a lot of runs that are going to be scored out there. When the winds blowing it's certainly blowing hard. It is and it was cold. Cold really fast dropped. Probably about fifteen degrees from game started to game end Gus We're about thirty miles per hour when we left any comparison. It's a triple A. Ballpark in comparison with other AAA. Ballparks that I'd say it's pretty nice and facing with some of the nicer spring training parks that we have down here in the Phoenix market. I would say that. It kind of pales in comparison. You don't want to do too much with a minor league ballpark. They had a nice balance there though because they use their outfield wisely. Instead of just having it be a whole bunch of grass that maybe nobody's GonNa sit on. They had half of it as crass where you can sit out in the berm and the other half of it was a little pool or the other the other half of the right center field area in left field was Kinda like it is at Oracle Park in San Francisco where it's a walkway where you can stand over on top of the taller wall out there in left field and you know. I I think for Minor League Baseball you know comparing it with what we have to go against Albuquerque Reno Tacoma you know I. I think that it's par for the course that it's you know it's a little nicer because it has las Vegas but it's not so nice that you're like a little too much reminder league baseball field like we had. Oh we did. The rough. Riders WAS DOUBLE A. That was Dr Wicked Park near like a water park in their park. Pool is unique side. Undersell the the pool that they've got of course it's going to be limited access. It's not a public burning. And then my carry on your way you're gonNA run out the whole thing for the game and nobody was swimming in February and early March up in Las Vegas Dig Cooler in all fairness it only was sixty five to begin with but at sixty five and sunny and then it was about fifty about an hour and a half later. It was fifty drizzling. And the coldest damn wins. You've ever felt before in the time that it took to get from our seats behind third base dugout to wrapping ourselves around the Left Field Poll. It went from probably fifty eight degrees to forty five degrees. If your brother has been with us I probably would have asked if you just want it to curl up and just just call it like. Do you want to just curl up together and just freeze to death like? Is that how you wouldn't go because that's how cold it felt. Charlotte to my brother for His presence saving our life there. Apparently all right so a lot to get y'all sock. Unlv basketball was good. Once upon a time. That was the only thing that they had going on in town. Belated at the Thomas and Mack Center which I've not seen and Their football team late at Sam Boyd. Stadium the football team's never been anything to speak of However their basketball program in the early nineties Boy Jerry Tarquini eighty nine got onto the elite eight in nineteen ninety. They wanted all. They beat Duke by thirty in the National Championship. And then in ninety one duke out there vengeance as a two seat coming out of the Midwest Are Pardon me They beat them by two points in the final four. I think Duke went onto win the championship game in Nineteen Ninety One and then the program went on probation because a small school in Las Vegas shouldn't get that good that quickly so Something was up a lot of NBA players on that team they haven't had many NBA players ever since Shawn. Marion comes to mind They played in the All star. Game there and I believe it was two thousand and seven it was an NBA All Star game and they finally got professional sports Two years ago three years ago with the hockey of all things was that a kind of a shock that Las Vegas got a hockey team before basketball team or football or baseball team. Then you it really anything else. Hockey seems like it was the least likely thing to land itself in Vegas but there were yeah I. I'm really glad that's what they chose because that was fantastic. But that was incredibly weird they built a nicer arena right off the strip right behind the New York New York casino off of I fifteen and the Tropicana Tropicana Boulevard down the street from the Tropicana Hotel and casino. And it's it's kind of amazing I I. It's in your face when you're in front of it but just being a half mile away. It gets hidden behind the buildings. See The lights of T. mobile arena sticking out between two of the buildings and the only way you see that it's there and you see it from the tropic. Wasn't even a lot of sinus through the hotel in the parking garage like hey arena this way. We kind of followed a bunch of people. No I mean considering how the casinos you know go out of their way for the reveal the market themselves and it looks. Nice when you're looking at it from the right angle But when nothing's going on there it's it's it's kind of kind of yearly quiet over there You were back in the in the room my brother and I wandered through the MGM. Casino cost the bridge in New York New York and really what I wanted to. You know what I was trying to gets you when we started to Mosey and my brother and I was the rollercoaster at New York New York. Because I've seen the tracks for it I've just never seen. Were you catch it and how you go about doing that? But they req- off with really this roller coaster. Why we've never gone up to the arcade level of New York. We have to walk through the terror. Arcade which is good you know and it's an actual kid Arcada. This isn't like an adult arcade. 'cause you're in Vegas? It is a part of the casino that is designated to be like games and rides and stuff for children right so you just walk through the hierarchy aid and then you have to buy a package which includes some arcade amenities along with a single roller coaster ride but you know those packages start at forty five dollars ahead. That's a it's a little bit sure. What can't be more than three or four minute ride on the rollercoaster? I don't even think big giant roller coasters are three or four minutes. I think like the biggest ones theme parks are like a minute. And a half this one HA. I mean it's tiny. It's the size of a third of a casino. It's a small roller coaster. It can't be more than like thirty seconds. Probably they do. They do take multiple APPS. It's tiny I don't because of that reason I don't trust it either. I've I've never wanted to ride the roller coasters in the Vegas Casinos. Because they just don't come me crazy. I just don't trust roller coasters. That are inside of casinos. Doesn't spell a good time for me. But beyond that arcade you know you can walk across the bridge to the parking garage that sits behind New York New York. I guess that would be to the West to the last and you walk out. You know you go down. The escalator outside the parking garage and you are in the Plaza for T. Mobile arena when we went there the night before the game. Nothing was going on. We had car. We were the only two souls with you know within shouting distance statue. They have in the middle of the plaza. There's a statue in the middle of the presents a weird. It's an leading made out of wire like a giant naked lady. Made out of wire in the middle of I guess all make ladies made out of wire. Diamond DOZEN DEMAND. Vegas does like you didn't see that. No I have no recollection of that. I guess we've ever seeing seeing a sports arena and I guess that's what What drew my eye but The next you know however the next night when there was a hockey game You'll they were. You know there are people walking down Tropicana and Las Vegas Boulevard. In all their golden knights gear like three hours before the game. It was four thirty in the afternoon. The puck drop at seven thirty and I also saw on the ticket. Something called nighttime K. and I T- time Started a half hour before the game. Now you were surprised by it all together though you may have been taken back by the pageantry that took place From the second that we set forth in the arena Civic questioned the fact that the Golden Knights have cheerleaders. Because you don't see that I wouldn't. I wouldn't say that you don't see that Oliver Hockey 'cause the oats cheerleaders but little pommie girls that run around the stadium which they did there but there is also a platform on the behind the net on the one level. The upper corner of the stadium. The fortress where it's just a constant stage of blue man group and cheerleaders and weird nightmare banging swords. And there's some showgirls hanging out. I mean we walked in and there were ladies pompoms. There was a drum corps and there was a night in full golden armor leading the charge of Let's go nights And this is forty five minutes before the game because I got there early. Figure tickets like an hour before the game. Yeah Yeah it. Just just take very long to get there because it was a short while to begin with. But we didn't encounter like hoards of people walking slowly. It took like no time to get their incredibly convenient to get their walking through the New York New York there during hockey season you have the means. Please attended a Las Vegas Golden Knights Hockey Game. Even if he's not your favorite sport it is just an experience To to take in and you know the beginning watch the half an hour before the game starts and then just leave. Well I only I. I've seen what they what they are on the broadcast for the playoff games. But I didn't know that that kind of thing happened during the season. It's just what they do every game every game. There's there's a motion pitcher. There's like a whole motion picture that they play beforehand. And then a bunch of guys get on the ice and sword fight and there's fire and glitter rockets and it's everything you would expect out of Las Vegas Golden Knights on the other side and we're talking about the biggest aspect that Vegas plays in sports and it is the gambling aspect she's Jan. I'm jeff this is Paul territory. You're listening to sports overnight. America on the sports byline broadcast network. 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I called you out. You did the research during the break and We had what's the name Steven Gross Michael Gross Michael Gross Steven Steven Keaton on the family ties. Show but Michael Gross wearing. What kind of hat a cubs hat? What movie tremors German six specifically the sixth one? Six addition of eight now. He's been in all of them though right. Yes he's like he's like the guy he's the guy because it was Fred Fred Fred Ward and Kevin Bacon. He was kind of a tertiary character. Hupa a major part of the plot points but not the star of the movie. I think that he became stars. The sequels kept getting made made made when sequel to came around and Kevin. Bacon was like no. I'm not hanging out there. Like what are we supposed to do? And he was like Michael Gross. Very tremors intents and they just kept going on and on and on. Zaveri a very trimmers intensive edition of the Foul Territory Program. That's worth related idea. But it but you know he was. He was wearing sports as some kind of sports hat. And all of them they had a jump from rock to rock and shoot things and running. And yes tremors was a was a sporting event triggers sports. I heard Christmas movie. Yeah all right. So let's let's move on from the Atlanta they. They're probably the most talk that the Atlanta Hawks are going to get. What kind of Hat Michael Gross was wearing in the tremor sequels. Probably so we're GONNA go west. We're going to kind of do the same thing out west I've got You know La in La are obviously the main contenders during this particular basketball season. But also out West you have golden state which bay area Minnesota which is Minnesota Phoenix which are home New Orleans You know we're Mardi Gras is held once asked you. If you've ever been to Mardi Gras you do recall your response to that. It was have you seen a fifty gallon storage tov marked beads and I said no and then you said No. I've never been there. I'm not allowed to go not allowed to go to. Mardi gras shown you guess Portland. Have you ever been to state of worrying? Okay I think everything around it now at this point but it's passed through Portland. I that you know. I spent a week of a summer Salem. And we took a trip into Portland. probably went through there for the airport. We've never been to Sacramento the capital. Oh California Mefissa you and I have both been there but never together Dallas We've both been there in the heat of summer We we've actually been to multiple Ranger Games and an Astros Game Oklahoma City. I've never been I've never read to Oklahoma. You may have been there because driven through it when I moved to Phoenix but when you moved to Phoenix you didn't do much in the way of stopping traverse bathroom. It was too bad. We didn't stop until the tables empty. Okay so if you want a so if your bladder was full you better have hoped that the tank was empty. Yeah Utah Utah Spence. Yeah a couple I think to nine hundred I have spent a matter of hours in Utah. Specifically Midvale Utah which is right by salt. Lake City We mentioned that we've been to Houston so wait. Phillips in Houston We went to breakfast at a place called Be Barnabei's before we actually was like it was like making fun of him because we thought it was just some guy that looked like him and then he was like. Hey I'm Wade Phillips Denver. We've been to Denver plenty of La AND LA I have been to e clippers. Game Never Lakers game never leave home game at Staples Center But we've been elway's decent place to visit but not just doesn't strike me as a great place to live so Going through this list Denver. Houston SALT LAKE CITY OKLAHOMA CITY DALLAS MEMPHIS SACRAMENTO Portland San Antonio New Orleans right here in the valley of the Sun Minnesota and San Francisco most desired location to live staying here. I'm staying here to saying here is. This is the best. We're not obsessed with water. I I think that we could drive water. We don't like humidity. We don't like bugs. We DON'T CARE. We have a pool so we're fine. We don't need ocean water with all sorts of weird animals living in it. We don't need high taxes and ridiculous other. I guess I'm GonNa tell you. Florida's beaches are better than California's beaches badge. So just because the water's nicer the water's kind of nicer. Both of the cold all the time. It really does it really. Does I think. There's like a two month period in the middle of the summer where it's not cold likeable team in La La proper or are we also including duckie's and angels were include Orange County. I am fine with doctors. Angels Forget your actual away near the chargers. Now come on. Somebody's got to charge like you know. I prefer the clippers. The Lakers yes I would. I would actually be very pleased to see the clippers. Hoisting the Larry O. B. At the end of the at the end of the relevant. I mean Lebron and Lebron. La and winning. I you know. I think it would nauseates people. I think that it would cement. His legacy maybe not maybe not up there with Michael but the third team quiet saint same opportunity. Though I think that that's glossed over the rounds just got so much so many more miles on him that you know. I think that you can't. You can't look at those two apple apples to apples as far as winning with three different franchises of course quite was traded to Toronto and then when he had the opportunity to leave and go to La and secure the bag so to speak and get his paycheck then You know. I don't really begrudge quiet Leonard for jumping teams. Lebron has when the going got tough. Lebron GEICO. The quiet Leonard took took trade to Toronto. There was rumors that he wouldn't play. He played and he won the championship in his only season. There so Toronto doesn't have any sour apples over it and or sour grapes. Sour grapes spilled milk sour grapes anyway. I respect the way that Leonard has jumped from team to team a lot more than the way that Lebron has. But you know you could remember where I'm from Cleveland and say that you know I'm I'm just I'm just bitter about it and and it wouldn't be completely untrue. Denver you know. Denver's got gotten the victories with the avalanche and the Broncos but I think the nuggets are more likable than either of those teams does just kind of there hanging out middle of the country. It's snowy in their skiing the next day. It's eighty sweating to death and they have a nickel Yokich own. They've got super star but not a not an Alpha male table superstar. And I think that that's what some of these secondary teams in the Western Conference have going on. Houston's been crying you know. They had Chris Paul and James Harden now they have Russell Westbrook and James Harden. It's kind of two of the same thing It's disappointing that they can't really crack the top of the league. They were probably Golden State's best competitor. Golden State pulled away Oklahoma City is just kind of Zambia. Of what Houston used to be Chris? Paul and Stephen Adams probably the big players there and the Dallas has an exciting player that came over from overseas. Look which kind of took the torch from Dirk Nowitzki so? I think that that's kind of cool story that they've got going on there As far as the basketball is concerned. I mean it's La La. That's that's GONNA be intriguing if if we don't get there There are going to be people that just are going to check out on basketball much like a lot of people have already checked out on basketball. And that's the thing is basketball. You almost need very specific matchups. You almost need celtics versus Lakers. You Know I. I'm not sure. That box versus Lakers. A is that big of a cell either. The Fox versus clippers even less of a cell golden state in Cleveland was exciting. Because you had the Super Team. Lebron tried to build versus this kind of organic team until durant came along anyway And then you had durant versus the Braun which was an Alpha versus Alpha matchup that we never got while Kobe. Bryant was still playing in Kobe versus the Bronx. Because you know when Kobe finally got their Lebron wasn't able to get there and when the Lebron started going regularly with the heat the Lakers just didn't have going on a basketball struggles. Because I don't think it matters who plays in the Stanley Cup who plays in the super bowl who plays in the world series. They really matters from a marketing perspective for the strength of the sport who does play in the NBA finals. Especially because it's well. I guess you could argue that. Nhl is long to. It's just such a long playoff to finally get to the finals and I think hockey is random. I think hockey is random enough that you say okay you whoever's got twelve wins and reaches the Cup final earned versus basketball. Where it's it's it's preordained. It's supposed to be this team this team. It's supposed to be more and more to the fact this player and this player are supposed to carry their teams there. And if it doesn't end up being the predicted matchup it's like okay. Well we'll deal with it. You know I think that a Lotta people wanted Philadelphia. A lot of people wanted the Lakers to compete with golden state near one but Lebron got hurt. The team just wasn't good enough around him until a in until trade that everybody you know had happening for six months happened over the summer and they got Anthony Davis and you know I just Kinda liked that the clippers are there to compete with them because Golden State didn't really have any competition in the last. It's nice that the Lakers aren't going to be able to put it in cruise control and just show up in June and I'll make I'll even You know go against my own team saying that you know. That's the way the Cleveland was supposed to be. If Cleveland didn't make the finals it was gonna be disappointing and it was going to be a disappointing finals. If it was anybody else you know even if it was the Boston Celtics. Y'All going up against Golden State. I'm glad that it's not going to be golden state this year. I think that that's one thing that we have to look forward to but at the same time I I'm not sure that either of the La teams are really really represent the casual fan. I don't know I don't like the idea of fully West Coast Championship. Well it's a championship. It's just the the conference is then. That's one of the things. The hockey and basketball guarantees that they're going to have east versus West now that could be as close proximity as Milwaukee versus Minnesota but the timber wolves just really never been a threat to be that In hockey we had Pittsburgh and Detroit. We didn't have a coastal matchup in football could be anybody. It could be patriots the Patriots and the giants or could be the Patriots and the ramp. So you have New York versus Boston Boston versus La. And it's it's that random and that's okay I think that that's And if that works to basketball's advantage and I think that works in some ways to basketball's disadvantaged because if you don't have that West Coast team if you don't have that Pacific Time Zone team like when you have Miami Dallas. It was ill if you didn't have the element of everybody rooting against the We'll super team Miami He. I don't think that that Syria sold very well. And it didn't sell very well when it was played before. Lebron got there when it was delayed versus. Novitsky back in in two thousand six you know I think they you know. Tv needs it. Everybody needs it and even Ronald so big market but Toronto for San Francisco in last year's finals. Because you didn't have Kevin Durant most of the way. It was a disappointing final since going to be largely forgotten so anyway that's our Basketball conversation. I think that we've told all the meat off the bone but John and I'll be back right after the break. You wrap it all up. It's foul territory on sports overnight America and WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK. It's back shooter. You're listening to foul territory. This is sports overnight. America for free speech feeling food. Do you owe ten thousand dollars or more on at least two federal student loans. Then you may qualify for new programs offered by the Department of Education. These programs can reduce your interest lower your payments and possibly qualify you for loan forgiveness if you have ten thousand dollars or more and at least two federal student loans and currently not in school you may qualify for one of these programs. Call now to check your eligibility student. Loan advisors are standing by to help you determine if you qualify for these new programs. 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Arts can be Lakers and bucks in the finals. But you know he's still got games. We still gotTA figure it all out we gotta find out what's going on. I would say that the NBA still has an image problem because it superstars have to carry it. And I don't know if there's anybody there that's necessarily going to take the torch from Lebron and that's coming from somebody that doesn't really you know adore the man like so many NBA fans do and those aren't the ones that you have to worry about. It's I guess it's doing okay on TV but it's not what we're GonNa Watch on TV over the weekend. What do you got for us over the weekend? I know this probably gets lame week after week but viewership was down in week four so watch the XFL xfl. And I'll go through the gate know how long it's going to be around full season. All Right at eleven. Am Eastern on Saturday. We'VE GOT SEATTLE AT HOUSTON. The roughnecks are thirteen and a half point favorites in that one New York and Dallas is your nightcap on Saturday at two. Pm Pacific Time Dallas heavy favorites even without Landry Jones. St Louis the one xfl city that does not have an NFL. Football is being embraced. There I think that they liked the battle hawks. Maybe more than they like the rams in that's why the rams got to high tail it back to La there visiting DC and suddenly Cardinal Jones team. Not all that hot and then your last game the weekend now on in Primetime six PM Sunday night. It's the Tampa Bay. Vipers at the Los Angeles wildcats wildcats a slight favourite and now one for John Scott on the other side of the glass. My Name's Jeff Rich. You've been listening to foul territory now. Stay tuned for more sports. Come your way next hour on the sports byline broadcast network changed. You're listening to the heartland newsfeed radio network broadcasting tweak for seven over. 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Twenty twenty event Myra Alvarez with Children's partnership notes that California's Ag has launched multiple lawsuits to protect access to healthcare and public benefits that really demonstrate California's leadership and upholding our values of diversity and family and community. That makes sure we put our children front and center share condemned the administration's new public charge rule for so in confusion among immigrant families. Leading many to needlessly withdraw from programs that benefit their. U S born children. I'm Suzanne Potter. Does your State of the Child Event Commemorates the twenty fifth anniversary of founding. The Children's partnership. It is a nonprofit that has successfully pushed for extra funding in the new state budget for early education at supportive home visits for new mothers the State of Florida's investigation into a domestic violence non profit and it's alleged misappropriations of millions of dollars of state funds. 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I'm Trammell Ghanem's the governor's lawyers are asking the court for more than thirty thousand dollars in damages for each of the fifty. One count of the complaint against the coalition. This is pianist. Despite these politically divided times. America's IT turns out are still ready to listen to health officials during the corona virus epidemic. Eric Tikhonov explains that's according to a February survey from the University of Oregon. Which finds trust is high in doctors and in the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Ellen Peters Director of the Center for Science Communication Research AT SAYS RESPONDENTS. Politics predicted their trust in politicians but not health officials even among conservatives. President trump was not the most trusted it turns out that among conservatives and liberals alike the most trusted where the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention People's doctors in Oregon. There are three confirmed cases of novel Corona Virus according to authorities in the past week the trump administration has said it will tighten control over health officials messaging on the virus and a medal will soon go out to principals. New Mexico's largest public school district. Reminding them about the district's policy on ice agents. The Albuquerque School district has the most kids in the state and its policy prohibits federal agents from coming onto a school campus. Unless they have a warrant Brendan Baca who manages the district's refugee and newcomer supports program. Says the memo follows a February statement from city. Officials referencing a recent surge in local arrests by ICE. It was in response to the activity that we've seen throughout the city. There has been about a tenfold increase in the number of detentions by ice in Albuquerque. I'm Roz Brown. Finally our address. Here's reports lawmakers in Albany. 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It's time and as we draw closer to the madness as we get into the bigger conference tournaments Perhaps that conversation get its do. But let's look ahead to April and May and for some teams You know it's already time to start thinking about the lottery and the NBA draft at the end of June but now a lot of surprises jet not a lot of surprises. Miami's been good at home. Philadelphia's been disappointing. But they're still gonNA make the playoffs. Boston is what you expect them to be. Toronto is the defending champion. But not exactly the same team coming back in nineteen and twenty. No they had a little bit of off. They lost a believe a couple of people as you know I focus more on. Nc Double A. Than NBA. But it has been an interesting season. Go I Leonard. Big Part of that Toronto Championship team. He relocates the West End Immediately. Brings RELEVANCY TO THE CLIPPERS. Not Tally Basketball. But La Basketball prefigures to be extremely relevant. Because you have as you like to call the drama with the Lakers and then you have quite Leonard whose one in San Antonio he's one in Toronto Kenny win with the other L. A. And it's a big question like. I said it's been interesting. It's GonNa be fun to see it. Go down the I guess quote unquote final stretch all right and then. Houston tried to upgrade by adding what Russell Westbrook they subtract. Chris Paul Chris Paul kind of the headliner with the Oklahoma City thunder but Houston just doesn't seem up to snuff to compete with either of the Los Angeles teams here in the twenty twenty season as we approach the twenty twenty. She's General Jeff Territory on sports overnight. America you listen to the sports byline broadcast network. And we'll be right back. The Jimmy Butler Empire until the tax base. Something Timmy. Bali dating APP maybe Butler Book. Jimmy is all good ideas. Hey travelers do you want to save money on your next flight? Then pick up the phone and call. 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So you got fifteen years coming up this summer. So fourteen plus years for both of us Approaching what a nineteen years in the valley of the Sun Probably OUR FOCUS. More on the oats the diamondbacks. The Sun devils thinking of the Dematteis have been Kinda love and hate depending on what was going on because they were quite contentious with the cubs for a while. Let's have never been a fuss. I don't believe cardinals. Have ever been a fuss. We've always liked the diamondbacks or the sun doubles. I think we did dance briefly with the wildcats but decided that we we like our hometown more. We do like our hometown more. And I'm GONNA bring up some Arizona wildcats here in this segment. We're going to talk about the contenders restock about the dregs of the league. Which talk about the teams? That aren't very good despite the hype that they tend to get year in and year out. You know You brought up a New York. You brought up golden state and Golden State's got titles New York. It's been a long time Predates either of our lifetime saw since they've last won a title and it's it's been since we were children which is weird because they're so relevant and so many other things. The city of New Yorkers but the Knicks are not. I mean of the Rangers Rangers ten to compete in the NHL. From time to time it's been a while for the maths but they've been in the world series. The Yankees of course have won the world series but nothing last decade for actually the the twenty tonnes that came and went with the end of twenty nineteen war. The first that did not see the Yankees play in or win. A world series and What else we got. We got the islanders they were. They were really good in the seventies in the eighties. It's been a while for them as well. But the Knicks just the Knicks. Just haven't done much of anything they used to be orden's being competition in the Eastern Conference and three of Michael Jordan. He played for the Bulls Relax. Lifelong Washington wizard also played a short stint of his career with the Chicago. Bulls right. Who's Michael Jordan? So they want some titles in the ninety six to be exact six of the ten that were out there to be one in the nineteen nineties. But it's been a long time that that's not the Chicago Bulls team that we can talk about on a nightly radio show the such as the one we host that we call foul territory again. It's on at ten. Pm Pacific Time. Monday through Thursday John on the Mike any at me as well Sirius. Xm To eleven iheartradio streaming live at sports byline dot com but The Knicks and this year the warriors. Because they don't have Kevin Durant they haven't had steph curry or Klay Thompson For a long part of the season and they have not been very good New Orleans get some headlines because they have the first overall pick but he didn't play for a while I n Williamson and then the Detroit Pistons. I only bring them up because Detroit's just had such bad luck across the board. The Tigers Lions are always bad. Tigers had a little little run there but I did not equal title for them The Red Wings. It's been a few missile playoffs. The last couple of seasons and the Pistons. It's been a long time to have a guy named Derek rose who was drafted by Gen goals. Show by the Bulls yeah it was an MVP with the Chicago Bulls the thing that sticks out to me most and I know that you know this because they bring it up all the time is John. Calipari talked about him. You know the one year that he was at Memphis that you know he's got to grow up. It's like ten grilled cheese sandwiches the day. I wonder if he continued that. Or if you cut down to a more reasonable number like six. I feel because I'm an adult now. I feel like you never grow tired of eating grilled cheese sandwiches. There are never enough grilled cheese sandwiches. Especially when your doctor tells you that you specifically need to stop eating grilled cheese sandwiches so maybe just one or two day? No more like zero zero. That's that's a sad NBA player. You can eat that many and not have the same cholesterol issues and whatnot off. You Play Twenty eight minutes eventually though right and it's all just plaque buildup and arteries needs the ticker all right. Speaking of sad conversation. Let's let's go through some of the sad sacks Teams of local interest to us. The sons Teams of local interest to you the Bulls. Your family was into the Bulls though not just because they were winning but because they were something to do something to do something to watch in the winter when the blackhawks run on TV. I guess mostly I mean there were some S- lumper years there where the Bulls were struggling to fill the stadium. We're struggling to pull up the ratings. Seattle think that the Bulls can quite catch the same way. That Cleveland is in saying that they were never relevant without Michael Jordan. Everybody says that the cavs weren't who have never been relevant without Lebron James. Despite the fact that you know both teams have made the playoffs without that superstar player to have the Bulls. Obviously more recently. Because it's been a long time since. Mj played for that team so You and I are the first to admit that we don't follow the NBA. All that closely. But you know if something is big even if it's not something that we watched especially closely. We should be familiar. Names should at least ring a bell. So I'M GONNA go through a couple of names the balls. They will do the cavs. And I know that you watch cavs a little bit more than the average Chicago born native Because you know you're in such close proximity to me but the cavs haven't been much to watch of late so let's start with the Chicago Bulls and I'm just GONNA name off a couple of players and you give me one to ten how familiar you are with the name and I'll start with making nineteen and a half million dollars a year. Zach Levine Levine. I know who that guy is. Okay so that's a tad. I know who that guy is but obviously not enough because I think I've in mispronounce his name several times on the show and you do vital score updates each and every night that we go live all right. How about Lauri Markkanen? He's making five point three million dollars a year and he's a University of Arizona. This is supposed to be on numbers. Let's go with like negative fourteen. Fourteen negative fourteen Larry Markkanen Otto Porter. Jr. is their numbers their numbers lower than negative fourteen or negative fourteen. I'm just GONNA keep nagging at fourteen as my lowest number Shaquille Harrison from Tulsa. So I'M GONNA put him at his six but I don't know why I think it's just because Shaquille seems familiar familiar. Kinda Fun name earlier you let me give you one more. I played in the National Championship for Villanova Ryan Archie D. Ikano Villanova was in the national championship. Oh all right all right. Let's move onto the cavs Cavaliers Matthew Belva. I okay so I do recognize that name but I am surprised. I didn't know he was still there. I didn't know he was still a calf are how about Kevin love our Israeli. You know with the seven. Dali we're GONNA go with Well no I'm very familiar with his name. I just did not know. He was still wearing a cavs uniform. And Kevin Love is like a positive fifty million. I Dunno wonder. Ten thing just doesn't work Tristan Thompson that again like scully credentialing connections to right. That's a bonus points and bonus points all right personal stuff. Not only do I know he is a CAV. I know personal things. Okay okay. That's not think Andre Drummond familiar with the name but again surprised to see he is a CAV recent acquisitions yes? Barriers of Trade deadline in two thousand twenty. How about Deandra eight moving out of the sons Bison not a CAV say down the street player Phoenix Suns? So that's a ten devon booker positive positive a lot about how about Ricky Rubio? Let's get a little more obscure Ricky Rubio number eleven. The Hurry Guy You got it you got it. I'll give you eleven points for that. She's generous count even know names. General Jeff is sports overnight. America's foul territory will very back. Jeffrey tries a free point. Green nineteen points. You're listening to foul territory We are the debt destroyer network. 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They go on to fall one. Twenty to one zero five to the clippers over on the ice in the NHL. The sabers continued to struggle dropping fifth straight after a four to two loss to the penguins. Lightning struck four times to shut out the Canadians. Four to nothing. The flyers extended their win streak to eight one eight four two one win over the hurricanes that panthers fell in overtime to the bruins. Florida's rape micheals event agenda had five of the Rangers six goals defeating the capital's six to five in overtime. That fifth goal came in overtime. He is only the second player in NHL history to have five goals being scored in overtime. Ottawa edge out in New York islanders. Four to three the stars got shut out by the predators two to nothing and Chicago slowed down the oilers momentum with a four to three win. That's ref from me. Let's throw it back over the jobs territory. I'm Jeff Little NBA which is an interesting Topic of conversation for the both of us because we just don't spend a lot of time watching the NBA Genu obvious. Follow close enough to relay the scores. And Kinda give a highlight from that not a highlight from the game Notable fact from some of the Games that you talk about we've lived out West for a long time we're both from the Midwest but just curious just from not having anything to do with the basketball in particular but Looking back to the eastern part of the country if I Find named off named off a bunch of cities. I want you to tell me worry you would i. If forced to live in one of these places where you would most want to live and I'm just GONNA go from the bottom of the standings on up Cleveland ATLANTA NEW YORK. Detroit I'm going to skip Chicago. Actually I should get Cleveland too so I'M GOING TO GO ATLANTA NEW YORK DETROIT CHARLOTTE Washington. Dc Orlando Brooklyn. Which is again New York Philadelphia? Indianapolis MIAMI BOSTON TORONTO? Or Milwaukee. The Laki tell me where you would lease one of those places. I can't. New York gathered near to believable. So Brooklyn congested. I can't do it Brooklyn's Out New York's out how `bout you see. Do you feel like it's the same kind of thing all right. Toronto Toronto very crowded city Canada not going to Canada so it was like Maple Syrup enough sticking things able Sir but but maple leafs games. I mean that's big hockey town could get into it a little bit. Not Worth the risk. Getting sticky sticky SARS Canadians and and they're they're bacon is actually ham. You're not a big CAM. Hate him like every other part of that pig except for whatever reason him all right speaking of pigs Let's go out to actually. I don't have a transition for this. A good effort though. Well it probably wouldn't wanNA live in Wisconsin. No I mean she is Kurds for days. The culver culver is on like every corner here. All right so bill walkie no Toronto Boston again. Way To clustering and not only is it. Cluster three the roads are made of bricks and angled in Lake Jerk. Directions and everything and everything is a one way street. No no no so Miami. I guess of the list. It would probably be the most desirable because they seem to like living there to shed boos him all right. So so Miami. Florida Cross Orlando is not. I don't want to be that close to Disney mess. Norrland DISA- Miami is our really our first. Yeah yeah all right PHILADELPHIA. Nope wasn't Sam. Like actually I just had a friend who was in Philadelphia Philadelphia and their targets. Don't even sell alcohol. There was something else that was slightly annoying stakes. No I'm not a fan of cheese steaks. WASHINGTON DC is too crowded Charlotte. So it sounds like actually Charlotte's looking pretty pretty appealing right now. Minor League Baseball. Yeah emotion. And they're they're not stupid. Bob Cats anymore. They're the Hornets so the NBA is actually a little bit of joy. Now Yeah not the Charlotte Errands Chicago. You've already there done that you visit. But don't live there Detroit. I guess only if I'm in close proximity to pizzapapalis and Greektown downtown Detroit. I mean you gotta walk past a bunch of scorched-earth buildings that they adopted the bird. Now that just buildings are like cockroaches. Comerica was nice. We are probably forbidden from setting foot in for positive that yes because you want to tell everybody why because you covered a non clear bag it was the first week that the bag policy started for the NFL stadiums and It was pretty season and we went to a tigers game. That day met with some friends who live in the area at the delicious pizzas in Greek town in Detroit and then when we were walking back because we went Manson pizza and a couple of drinks and it was time for football to start and for whatever reason the security at the stadium was under the belief that the bag policy applied not only to entering the stadium but like half a mile in every flip and direction of the stadium. I was told that I could not walk down a street that went past the stadium because I had a purse. Fortunately I was with you and fortunately I was able to retrieve the car because I think the answer was. You just can't go get your car because it's it's like what we're supposed to do them like my car is part at the end of this road because we're a baseball game that has nothing to do with NFL. Mc We're not going to your stupid game we just WanNa get to our car and get out of Detroit and this is on me. This is my fault for going back to Detroit because every time I go back to Detroit and they must have some kind of deep love for me that I don't understand but they detained me and hold me there as long as humanly possible. And now you have to go to downtown. Detroit to watch the Pistons rather than being able to enjoy them in suburban Auburn hills which like forty five minutes outside of city limits because they decided they needed to move downtown and I believe that they actually share the arena. Now with the red wings who you also have no desire to see. Maybe I don't even know after that. Last Instance in Detroit my give a crap for Detroit literally got flushed down the toilet Detroit. How about Atlanta Atlanta's still a city? The joke is at Atlanta. Still has a because after. They got their hockey team removed. The joke is that they still have teams. No I granted I be close to all the soda of the COQ sort that I want super fresh and delicious but now now I'm out that's about it to inland too humid teams and you ever go on the SEC. And you know who the most famous Atlanta Hawks. Fan is actually no. I don't even have smirke starting to comment. Let's dad from family ties. Who started all six tremors movies? All I wearing the Atlanta Hawks had do you remember that brief period of time in one of the movies the third of the fourth one he did rock a cubs hat. I believe comfortable's weird. Yeah no we just watched it long ago. Well you watch the track. I watched You want to be a millionaire because I would totally phone my mom right now. He's like mom. What tremors movie did that guy finally wear some kind of Chicago hat? And she put it was in tremors four at the seventeen minute and forty seven second mark. All right it's turn as movies are probably more relevant than the the Atlanta Hawks Ben. And then you've got to Cleveland several times yet. Not as not as advertise probably not a desire destination. Cleveland is a good city. If you don't like actual cities 'cause. I JUST SAT Boston and New York it's clutter and I'm not a fan. I like kind of smaller cities where you can move around. You don't have people on top of you. You're not for taxis for half an hour. I just I like just rolling and not having to stop and you've been to what's now known as the rocket mortgage field house Was the The quickens the quicken loans the Q. Back in the day when you and I caught the cavaliers and the Bulls in downtown Cleveland. We saw arena game there too. We saw into football with the Cleveland. Gladiators there's some nice facilities you never been to a browns game which bend a handful of Indians Games. We did a tour of the stadium though. Yeah I I don't remember what it was going by. It might have just switched over to whatever it is currently being called but yeah we did a tour of the Stadium First Energy Stadium. Espn CLEVELAND Browns stadium but the cavaliers. It's been very cyclical it's been. They have Lebron their incredible. They don't have Lebron. They're not very good. I'm not a fan of the Brown. I don't think you are very much either. We'll talk about his new team. I could talk about his old team so it sounds like Miami's the winner here and sounds like Miami Charlotte Charlotte Edges Out Miami Charlotte Charlotte Knights. Which are the what you're actually the AAA affiliate of the Chicago White Sox but you can catch Carolina League Baseball. So that's all AA couple of good birds that are then familiar and some decent barbecue. Allegedly I've ever really spent a lot of time in North Carolina in over twenty years but the Charlotte. Hornets are probably not the top tourist attraction. There you like the Carolina Panthers to an extent. Yeah okay them cats magnets for me once. But you know basketball. Just hasn't been able to find an identity there. It's actually Michael Jordan's fault too. Because Michael Jordan was running the Charlotte Franchise there for Awhile and the strategy was draft you North Carolina players. And it just didn't work out all that well we're gonNA throw at you a break. She's Jen Jeff. This is foul territory on sports overnight. America it will be right back. Lebron now on the bench for a great stat by Jordan as he's coming. Damore trying to get towards the ball but catches a lot of the upper. Half with Jordan Clarkson obviously the rest will take a look at this and there is a search committee now for the contract wins as to Rosa. Got Up off the side of the head. This is sports overnight America. The bronze aims come into the studio Bernie. On your first real home the road on renting can get a bit rocky takes a reliable partner to right wrong turns. That's the role of a realtor. 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Now to learn more eight hundred four eight five six zero zero three eight hundred four eight five six zero zero three eight hundred four eight five six zero zero three call right now. That number is eight hundred. Four eight five six thousand three step back three in his own way up forty nine point nine spurts. You're listening to foul territory with Jeff Gender Rich. I guarantee you this no problem. Very welcome back. We are rounding third and heading home with this hour of foul territory. Part of the sports overnight America Block again. You can check this out series except channel. Two Eleven iheartradio. Both livestream and the archives shows just search for sports overnight America. And of course you can catch us. Always it's the whole network Sports BYLINE DOT com learn always streaming live and Jen. You have an update Called you out. You did the research during the break and We had what's his name Steven Gross Michael Gross Michael Gross Steven Steven Keaton on the Family ties show but Michael Gross wearing what kind of hat a cubs hat in what movie rumors? German specifically the sixth one. Six addition of Eight. Now he's been in all of them right. Yes he's like he's like the guy he's the guy because it was Fred Fred Fred Ward and Kevin Bacon. He was kind of a tertiary character. He he he was a major part of the plot points. But not the star of the movie. I think that he became the stars. The sequels kept getting made made made when sequel to came around and Kevin. Bacon was like no. I'm not hanging out there. Like what are we supposed to do any of his like Mike? Gross very tremors intense. And they just kept going on and on and on. Zaveri tremors intensive edition of the Foul Territory Program. That's worth related idea. But it but you know he was. He was wearing sports some kind of sports hat and all of them. They had a jump from rock to rock and shoot things. Running heck yes. Tremors was a was a sporting event triggers sportsman. I heard Christmas movie. Yeah all right. So let's let's move on from the Atlanta. They talk that the Atlanta Hawks are going to get. What kind of Hat Michael Gross was wearing in the tremor sequels probably Atlanta. So we're GONNA go west and we're going to kind of do the same thing out west I've got You know La in La are obviously the main contenders during this particular basketball season. Blood also out west. You have golden state which bay area of Minnesota which is Minnesota Phoenix which is our home. NEW ORLEANS You know we're Mardi Gras held once asked you. If you'd never been to Mardi Gras. Do you recall your response to that? It was. Have you seen a fifty gallon storage? Tau marked feeds and I said no and then you said No. I've never been there. I'm not allowed to go. I'm not allowed to go to Mardi gras soon. Guess Portland have you ever been working. No okay I think everything around it now at this point but it's passed through Portland. I think that you know. I spent a week of summer out in Salem. And we took a trip into Portland. Probably went through there for the airport. We've never been to Sacramento the capital. Oh California Memphis You and I have both been there but never together Dallas We've both been there in the heat of summer We we've actually been to multiple Ranger Games and an Astros Game Oklahoma City. I've never been. I never read to Oklahoma. You may have been there because driven through it when I moved to Phoenix when you move to Phoenix. You didn't do much in the way of stopping and so traverse bathroom. It was too bad. We didn't stop until the take something. Okay so if he so. If your bladder was full you better have hoped that the tank was empty. Yeah can you talk? You've Utah Spence. Yeah a couple. I think two nights I have spent a matter of hours in Utah Specifically Midvale Utah. Which is right by. Salt Lake City We mentioned that we've been to Houston so we'd Phillips in Houston We got to breakfast at a place called DUB maybe Barnaby before. We actually fill. It was like making fun of him because we thought it was just some guy that looked like him and then he was like hey. I'M WADE PHILLIPS DENVER. We've Bundu Denver plenty and then you have La AND LA I have been to a clippers. Game never a Lakers game never leaders home game at Staples Center But we've been Ellie Ellie a decent place to visit. But not just doesn't strike me as a great place to live so Going THROUGH THIS LIST DENVER HOUSTON SALT LAKE CITY OKLAHOMA CITY DALLAS MEMPHIS SACRAMENTO Portland San Antonio New Orleans right here in the valley of the Sun Minnesota and San Francisco most desired location to live stain. Here I'm staying here too. I'm saying here. This is the best. We're not obsessed with water. I I think that we could drive to see water. We don't like humidity. We don't like bugs. We DON'T CARE. We have a pool so we're fine. We don't need ocean water with all sorts of weird animals living in it. We don't need high taxes and ridiculous other. I guess I'm I'm GonNa tell you. Florida's beaches are better than California speeches. Imagine so just because the water's nicer the water's kind of nicer. Both cold all of the time. It really does it really. Does I think. There's like a two month period in the middle of the summer where it's not cold. Zor likeable team in La La proper or are we also including donkeys and angels include Orange County? I am fine with duckie's at angels. Okay you're in terms of actual. La chargers now come on. Somebody's got the chargers they be. You know I've ever the clippers the Lakers yes I would. I would actually be very pleased to see the clippers. Hoisting the Larry. Ob at the end of the at the relevant. I mean the broad Lebron going to La and winning. I you know I think nauseate some people. I think. That cement his legacy. Maybe not maybe not up there with Michael. But you're winning with a third team. Qui- asked the same opportunity though and I think that's glossed over the browns just got so much. There's so many more miles on him that you know. I think that you can't. You can't look at those two apple apples to apples as far as winning with three. Different Franchises of course was traded to Toronto and then when he had the opportunity to leave and go to La and secure the bag so to speak and get his paycheck then You know I don't really begrudge Leonard for jumping teams. Lebron has when going out tough. Lebron Geico the quiet Leonard took his took a strata Toronto. There was rumors that he wouldn't play. He played and he won the championship in his only season. There so Toronto doesn't have any sour apples over it and or sour grapes. And it's our grapes spilled milk. Sour grapes anyway. I I respect the way that Leonard has jumped from team to team a lot. More than the way Lebron has but you know you could remember where I'm from Cleveland and say that you know I'm just I'm just bitter about it and it wouldn't be completely untrue. Denver you know Denver's dot got in the Victories with the avalanche and the broncos played the nuggets are more likable than either of those teams. Colorado's just kind of there hanging out middle of the country it's snowy and they're skiing the next day it's eighty and they're sweating to death and they have a nickel. Yokich so they've got your kind of superstar but not a non Alpha male type superstar and I think that that's what some of these Secondary Teams in the Western Conference have going on. Houston's been trying you know. They had Chris Paul and James Harden now they have Russell Westbrook and James Harden it's Kinda to the same thing It's disappointing that they can't really crack the top of the league. They were probably Golden State's best competitor but Golden State pulled away Oklahoma City is just kind of Zombie of what Houston used to be Chris Paul and Stephen Adams probably the big players there and the Dallas has an exciting player that came over from overseas which kind of took the torch from Dirk Nowitzki. So I think that that's kind of a cool story that they've got going on there As far as the basketball is concern. I mean it's La in La. That's that's going to be intriguing if if we don't get there There are going to be people that just are going to check out on basketball. You know much like a lot of people have already checked out on basketball. And that's the thing is basketball. You almost need very specific match ups. You almost need celtics versus Lakers. You Know I. I'm not sure that box versus Lakers. Is that big of a cell either? The bucks versus clippers even less of a cell golden state. Cleveland was exciting. Because you had the super team that Lebron tried to build versus this kind of organic team until grant came along anyway Durant versus the broad. Which was an Alpha versus Alpha matchup? That we never got while Kobe. Bryant was still playing in Kobe versus Lebron because when Kobe finally got their Lebron wasn't able to get there and when Lebron started going regularly with the heat the Lakers just didn't have going on and I think that's where basketball struggles because I don't think it matters who plays in the Stanley Cup who plays in Super Bowl. Who plays in the world series? They really matters from a marketing perspective for the strength of the sport who does play in the NBA finals. Well especially because it's well. I guess you could argue that. Nhl As long to. It's just such a long playoff to finally get to the finals and I think hockey is random. I think hockey is random. Enough that you say okay. Who's got twelve wins and reaches the final? They've earned it versus basketball. Where it's it's it's preordained. It's supposed to be this team this team. It's supposed to be more and more to the fact. This player in this player are supposed to carry their teams there. And if it doesn't end up being the predicted match up it's like okay. Well we'll deal with you know I. I think that a lot of people wanted Philadelphia. A lot of people wanted the Lakers to compete with golden state. And you're on but Lebron got hurt. The team just wasn't good enough around him until they until the trade that everybody you know happening for six months happened over the summer and they got Anthony Davis. And you know I just kinda liked that. The clippers are there to compete with them because Golden State didn't really have any competition in the West. It's nice that the Lakers aren't going to be able to put it in cruise control and just show up in June and I'll make all even You know go against my own team saying that. That's the way the Cleveland was supposed to be. If Cleveland didn't make the finals it was gonna be disappointing and it was going to be a disappointing finals. If it was anybody else you know even if it was the Boston Celtics going up against Golden State. I'm glad that it's not going to be golden state this year. I think that that's one thing that we have to look forward to but at the same time I I'm not sure that either the LA teams are really really represent the casual fan. I don't know I don't like the idea of a fully West Coast Championship. Well it's championship. It's just the the conference USA then. That's one of the things that hockey and basketball guarantees that they're going to have east versus West. Now that could be as close in proximity as Milwaukee versus Minnesota but the timber. Wolves just really never been a threat to be that in hockey. We had Pittsburgh in Detroit. We didn't have a coastal matchup but then in football could be anybody could be patriots. You know it'd be the Patriots and the giants or could be the Patriots and the ramp so you have New York versus Boston Boston versus La And it's it's that random and a that that's okay I think that that's that works to basketball's advantage and I think it works in some ways to basketball disadvantage because if you don't have that West Coast team fewer that Pacific Time Zone team like when you have Miami Dallas. It was y'all if you didn't have the element of everybody rooting against the super team. Miami Heat I don't think that that's series sold very well and it didn't sell very well when it was played before. Lebron got there when it was D wave versus. Novitsky back in two thousand six. You know I I think they you know. Tv needs it. Everybody needs it and even Toronto. It's a big market but Toronto for San Francisco last year's finals. Because you didn't have Kevin Durant most of the way. It was disappointing finals. And it's going to be largely forgotten over the years. 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But you know he's still got to play the Games. We still gotTA figure it all out. We still gotta find out what's going on. I would say that the NBA still has an image problem because it superstars have to carry it. And I don't know that there's anybody there that's necessarily going to take the torch from Lebron and that's coming from somebody that doesn't really you know adore the man like so many NBA fans do and those aren't the ones that you have to worry about It's I guess it's doing okay on TV but it's not what we're GonNa Watch on TV over the weekend. What do you got for over the weekend? I know this probably gets lame week after week but viewership was down in a week four so watch the xfl. Watch the xfl at other. It's going to be around. We might not even get a full season right at eleven. Am Eastern on Saturday. We'VE GOT SEATTLE AT HOUSTON. The roughnecks are thirteen and a half point favorites in that one New York and Dallas is your nightcap on Saturday that one at two. 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Perhaps VAT conversation will get its due but Let's look ahead to April and May and for some teams You know it's already time to start thinking about the lottery and the NBA draft at the end of June but not a lot of surprises. Miami's been good at home. Philadelphia's been disappointing. But they're still gonNA make the playoffs. Boston is what you expect them to be. Toronto is the defending champion. But not exactly the same team coming back in one thousand nine hundred twenty. No they had a little bit of fall off they lost. I believe a couple of people as you know I focus more on. Ncwa an NBA. But it has been an interesting season. Go I Leonard. A big part of that Toronto Championship team he relocates the West End Immediately. Brings relevancy to the clippers. Not Tally basketball. But I- La Basketball vigors to be extremely relevant. Because you have as you like to call the drama with the Lakers. And then you have Leonard whose one in San Antonio he's one in Toronto Kenny win with the other L. A. And it's a big question. I guess that it's been interesting. It's GonNa be fun to see it. Go down the I guess quote unquote final stretch all right and then. Houston tried to upgrade by adding what Russell Westbrook they subtract. Chris Paul Chris Paul kind of the headliner with the Oklahoma City Thunder but Houston just doesn't seem up to snuff to commute with either of the Los Angeles teams here in the twenty twenty season as we approach the twenty twenty playoffs. She's General Jeff. This is Paul Territory on sports overnight. America you're listening to the sports byline broadcast network and we'll be right back. This is sports overnight. America the type of guy that wants look put together but doesn't want to spend hours at the mall finding new clothes so you can look great at the office on the road or even just on the weekend with friends and family I hear you. 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Everybody welcome back in is how territory we're talking NBA and we're GonNa get to the contenders but first let's talk a little bit about the pretenders Jeff Rich gender rich with you from Phoenix Arizona. If you don't know our backgrounds are longtime Venetians She grew up in the Chicago area. I grew up in the Cleveland area. We've both got what like fifteen plus years of experience under our belt probably not most of them rooting for Phoenix teams. Though yeah I'm going to hit fifteen years this summer. So you've got fifteen years coming up this summer fourteen plus years for both of us I'm I'm approaching what Nineteen years in the alley of the side Probably our focus more on the oats. The diamond backs The Sun devils. Think even the data have been Kinda love and hate depending on what was going on. 'cause they were quite contentious with the cubs for a while. Oh let's have never been a fuss. I don't believe cardinals have ever been a fuss. We've always liked the diamond backs. The sandals I think we did dance briefly with the wildcats but decided that we like our hometown. More we do our hometown more and I'm going to bring up some Arizona wildcats here in this segment. You know we're going to talk about the contenders restock the dregs of the League which talk about the teams. That aren't very good despite the hype that they tend to get urine in year out. You know you brought up a New York you brought up. Golden State and Golden State's got titles New York. It's been a long time Predates either of our lifetime saw since they've last won a title and it's it's been since we were children which is weird because they're so relevant and so many other things you the city of New Yorkers but the Knicks are not. I mean the Rangers Rangers tend to compete in the NHL from time to time. It's been a while for the maths. But they've been in the world series. The Yankees of course have won the world series but not in the last decade. It's for actually the the twenty times that came and went with the end of twenty nineteen war first decade that did not see the Yankees. Play it or win. A world series and What else we got. We got the islanders they were. They were really good in the seventies and the eighties. It's been a while for them as well. But the Knicks just the Knicks. Just haven't done much of anything they used to be. Michael Jordan's main competition in the Eastern Conference and speaking of Michael Jordan. He played for the Bulls for a long time. Lifelong Washington wizard also played a short stint of his career with the Chicago. Bulls right WHO's Michael Jordan so They want some titles in the nineties. Sixty six of the that were out there to be one in the nineteen nineties. But it's been a long time the that's not the Chicago Bulls team that we could talk about on a nightly radio show such as the one we host that we call foul territory again. It's on at ten. Pm Pacific Time Jam on the Mike and he hit me as well Sirius Xm to eleven iheartradio streaming live at sports byline dot com but The Knicks and this year the warriors. Because they don't have Kevin Durant they haven't had steph curry or Klay Thompson For a long part of the season and they have not been very good. N- Orleans get some headlines because they have the first overall pick but he didn't play for Awhile Zion Williamson and then the Detroit Pistons. Eilly bring them up. Costa Detroit's just had such bad luck across the board. The Tigers L-lila lines are always bad. Tigers had a little little run there but I did not equal title for them the Red Wings. It's been a few. They've missed the playoffs. Last couple seasons and the Pistons. It's been a long time to have a guy named Derek rose who was drafted by WHO JEN Poles. Got Mostly by the Bulls. Yeah it was an MVP with the Chicago Bulls. You know the thing that sticks out to me most and I know that you know this. Bring it up all the time. Is John Calipari talked about him? You know the one year that he was at Memphis that you know he's got to grow up. It's like ten grilled cheese sandwiches the day. I wonder if that or cut down to a more reasonable number like six. I feel because I'm an adult now. I feel like you never grow tired of eating grilled cheese sandwiches. There are never enough grilled cheese sandwiches especially that you specifically need to stop eating grilled cheese sandwiches so maybe like just just one or two a day like no more like zero. Oh it's such a sad NBA player. You can eat that many and have the same cholesterol issues and whatnot if you play twenty eight minutes eventually though right and it's all ges plaque buildup arteries who needs who needs the ticker kick all right speaking of sad conversation. Let's let's go through some of the sad sacks teams of local interest to us the sons Teams of local interest to you the Bulls. Your family was into the Bulls though you know not just because they were winning but because they were something to do something to do something to watch in the winter when the blackhawks were non TV I guess mostly I mean there were some S- lumper years there where the Bulls were struggling to fill the stadium. Were struggling to pull up the ratings but Seattle that the Bulls quite catch at the same way. That Cleveland is in saying that they were never relevant without Michael Jordan. Everybody says that the cabs weren't have never been relevant without Lebron James. Despite the fact that you know both teams made the playoffs without that superstar player has bulls obviously more recently. Because it's been a long time since. Mj played for that team. So you and I are the first to admit that we don't follow the NBA. All that closely but you know if something is big even if it's not something that we watched especially closely we should be familiar named. Should at least ring a bell. So I'M GONNA go through a couple of names from the Bulls and then we'll do the cavs and I know that you watch cavs a little bit more than the average Chicago born native. Because you know you're in such close proximity to me but cabs haven't been much to watch of late so let's start with the Chicago Bulls and I'm just GONNA name off a couple of players and you give me one to ten. How familiar you are with the name and I'll start with I making nineteen and a half million dollars a year. Zach Levine. I know who that guy is. Okay so that's a tad. I know who that guy is. But it's not because I think I mispronounced his name several times on the show and you do Fi final score updates that we go live all right. How about Lauri Markkanen? He's making five point three million dollars a year. No and he's a university of this is supposed to be on numbers. Let's go with like negative fourteen. Fourteen negative fourteen Larry Markkanen Otto Porter. Jr. is their numbers their numbers lower than negative for T- slower than negative fourteen. I'm just GONNA keep negative fourteen as my lowest number Shaquille Harrison from Tulsa. So I'M GONNA put him at his six but I don't know why I think it's just because Shaquille seems familiar familiar. Kinda Fun name. Let me give you one more. I played in the National Championship for Villanova Ryan Archie. Cotto Illinois was in the National Championship. All right let's move onto the cavs Cavaliers Matthew Della Vedova. I okay so do recognize that name but I am surprised. I didn't know he was still there. I didn't know he was still a CAV. Are How about Kevin Love? Oh Yeah Oh yes definitely. No WE'RE GONNA go with a seven for Dolly. We're going to go with well. No it's a ten. I'm very familiar with his name. I just did not know he was still wearing a cavs uniform on just like a positive fifty million. I don't know it was one to ten thing just doesn't work a Tristan Thompson. That again like credentialing mansion connections to right does he does bonus points points all right personal stuff not only do. I know he's a Cav but I know personal things about him. Okay okay I guess that's worth something. Andre Drummond familiar with the name but again surprised to see he is a cab. Recent acquisition Yes very said trade deadline in twenty twenty about deandra eight. That is not a cab. I think he say down the street player. So that's a Tad Devon Booker positive positive a lot about how about Ricky Rubio? Let's get a little more obscure Ricky Rubio number eleven. Hurry guy you got it. You got it. I'll give you eleven points for that. She's Jenner's county no-name Jeff. This is sports overnight. America's foul territory. We'll be right back. You're listening to foul territory help third. We're the debt destroyer networking any debt. You HAVE CREDIT CARD TANS STUDENT. Loan debt call now for Free Information. That helps you destroy your debt. 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Twenty to one zero five to the clippers over on the ice in the NHL. The sabers continue to struggle dropping a fifth straight after a four to two loss to the penguins. Lightning struck of four times to shut out the Canadians. Four to nothing. The flyers extended their win streak to eight eight four two one win over the hurricanes the panthers fell in overtime to the bruins. Four to three bikes have agenda. Had Five of the Rangers six goals defeating the capital's six to five in overtime. That fiscal came in overtime. He is only the second player. Nhl History to have five goals being scored in overtime. How EDGE OUT THE NEW YORK ISLANDERS? Four to three the star got shut out by the predators to nothing and Chicago slowed down the oilers momentum with a four to three win. That's a wrap from me. Let's throw it back over the job. We are back. It's foul territory. She's Jen I'm Geoff sorry little NBA. Which is interesting Topic of conversation for the both of us because we just don't spend a lot of time watching the NBA. Genu obviously follow close enough to relay the scores you know. Kinda give a highlight from not a highlight from the game but a notable fact from some of the Games that you talk we've lived out West for a long time we're both from the Midwest but just curious just from not having anything to do with the basketball in particular Looking back to the eastern part of the country if I find named offer named off a bunch of cities I want you to tell me were you. Would if forced to live in one of these places where you would most want to live and I'm just GONNA go from the bottom of the standings on up Cleveland ATLANTA NEW YORK. Detroit I'm going to skip Chicago. Actually I should skip Cleveland to so I'M GONNA GO ATLANTA NEW YORK Detroit Charlotte Washington DC Orlando Brooklyn. Which is again New York Philadelphia? Indianapolis Miami Boston Toronto. Or Milwaukee. Tell me where you would least one of those places. New York gathered here. So broke out too congested. I I can't Brooklyn's out. New York's Out Buddy C. J. D. C. To congestion to feel like it's the same kind of thing all right. Toronto Toronto very crowded city Canada. Not going again on that. So it's enough to hit sticky things you don't like the Maple Sir but but maple leafs. Games. I mean that's big hockey town could get into it a little bit. Not Worth the risk. Getting sticky sticky SARS Canadians. Yeah and and and they're they're Bacon is actually him? I don't know if anybody's ever you're not a big campaign hate him. I like every other part of that pig except for whatever reason have all right. Speaking of pigs close go down to actually have a transition for this could effort though. Probably wouldn't wanNA live in Wisconsin Cheese Kurds for days. The Culver Culver on every corner here very soon. Bill Walkie no Toronto Boston again. Way to cluster and not only is it clustering the roads are made of bricks in England. Jerk directions and everything. Everything is a one way street. Yeah no not doing it. No no so Miami. I guess out of the list. It would probably be the most desirable players like living there to taxes. Food Him Right so so Miami Florida Cross Orlando's not I don't want to be that close to Disney mess. All right so soon Orlando so. Miami is our really our first. Yeah right now in Philadelphia. Nope wasn't a sampling. Actually I just had a friend who was in Philadelphia Philadelphia and their targets. Don't even sell alcohol. That was slightly annoying. But you don't like to use days. No I'm not a finishes she sticks. Washington DC is too crowded Charlotte. So Sam like actually Charlotte's looking pretty pretty appealing right now. Minor League Baseball. Yeah emotion. And they're they're not stupid. Bob Cats anywhere there the Hornets so the NBA's actually a little bit of joy. Charlotte HERONS CHICAGO. You've already been there done that you visit but don't live there. Detroit. I guess only if I'm in close proximity to apples and Greektown. Let's downtown Detroit. I mean you've got to walk past a scorched-earth buildings that they attempted to burn down. That just destroyed. Buildings are like cockroaches. Portis America was Nice We are probably forbidden from setting foot in for pretty positive of that. Yes because and you want to tell everybody why because you carry a non clear bag it was the first week that the bag policies started for the NFL stadiums and it was pretty season and we went to a tigers game at that day. Met Up with some friends who live in the area at the delicious pizzas in Greek town in Detroit and then when we were walking back because we went and had pizza and a couple of drinks and was time for football to start and for whatever reason the security at the stadium was under the belief that the bag policy applied not only to entering the stadium but like half a mile in every flipping direction of the stadium. I was told that I could not walk down a street that went past the stadium because I had a purse. Fortunately I was with you and fortunately I was able to retrieve the car because I think the answer was. You just can't go get your car because it's only going to do like my car parts at the end of this road because we're at a baseball game that has nothing to do with. Nfl MC. We're not going to your stupid game. We just want to get to our car and get out of Detroit and this is on me. This is my fault for going back to Detroit. Because every time I go back to Detroit they must have like some kind of deep love for me. That don't understand but they detain. Be At hold me there as long as humanly possible. Now you have to go to downtown Detroit to watch the Pistons rather than being able to enjoy them in suburban Auburn but it's outside of the city limits because they decided they needed to move Downtown and I believe that the actually share the arena now with the red wings. Sue you also have no desire to see. Maybe I don't even know after that. Last Instance in Detroit my give a crap for Detroit literally got flushed down the toilet as much you choose. Detroit. How `Bout Atlanta Atlanta is still a city. The job is Atlanta still has a because after. They got their hockey team removed. The joke is that they still have teams know. Eh granted I be close to all the soda of the COQ sort that. I launched super fresh and delicious but now now I'm out that's about it to inland too humid really of any other teams and you ever go on the SEC. And you know who the most famous Atlanta Hawks. Fan is actually no. I don't even have a snarky started coming dad from family ties. Who started all six tremors movies all I worry me Atlanta Hawks at you remember for a brief period of time in one of the movies third of the Forest One. He did rock a cubs hat. I believe weird. Yeah we just watched it a long ago. I watched Do you want to be a millionaire? Because I would totally phone my mom right now if you like. Mom What tremors movie did that guy finally wear some Kinda Chicago hat and she picked trimmers for at the seventeen minute and forty seven second market. All right terms movies are probably more relevant than the. The Atlanta Hawks have been even Cleveland several times. Not as not as bad as advertised probably not a desired destination. Cleveland is a good city. If you don't like actual cities because I thought Boston it's cluttering. I'm not a fan. I like kind of smaller cities where you can move around. You don't have people on top of you. You're not screaming for taxes for half an hour. Just roll in and not having to stop and you've been to what's now known as the rocket mortgage field house Was the Taken quicken loans. The back in the day when you and I caught the cavaliers and the Bulls in downtown Cleveland signing arena game there too and we saw arena football. We saw the Cleveland gladiators. They're so clueless. Got Some nice facilities. You never been a browns game but you've been a handful of Indians Games. We did a tour of the stadium though I. I don't remember what it was going by. It might have just switched over to whatever it is currently being called. We did a tour of the stadium. First Energy Stadium Cleveland Browns Stadium But the cavaliers. It's been very cyclical it's been. They have Lebron their incredible. They don't have Lebron. They're not very good. I'm not a fan of Lebron. I don't think that you are very much either. We'll talk about his new team. I can talk about his team so it sounds like Miami's the winner here and sounds like Miami. We'RE GOING TO GO CHARLOTTE CHARLOTTE EDGE THAT WAY Charlotte Knights which are the which are actually AAA affiliate of the Chicago. White Sox but you catch Carolina League Baseball. So that's all those lawyer in some decent barbecue. Allegedly I've ever ever really spent a lot of time in North Carolina in over twenty years but the Charlotte. Hornets are probably not the top tourist attraction. There you liked. Carolina Panthers to an extent them Alley. Cats MAGNUS ONES. But you know basketball. Just hasn't been able to find an identity. There is actually Michael Jordan. Small to Michael Jordan was running the Charlotte Franchise there for Awhile and the strategy was to draft Duke and North Carolina players. It just didn't work out all that. 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That's eight hundred seven five four forty five thirty one. We're talking byline. Sports more sports happens. That's you're listening to foul territory with Jeff and Jen rich. Lebron James Come into the studio. Everybody welcome back. We are rounding third and at this hour of foul territory. Part of the sports overnight. America block again. You check US out siriusxm channel. Two Eleven iheartradio. Both livestream and the archives shows just search for sports overnight America. And of course you can catch US always gets the whole network on sports byline dot com always streaming live and Jen You have an update. I called you out. You did the research during the break and We had what's his name Steven Gross Michael Michael Gross Steven Steven Keaton on the family ties. Show but Michael Gross Wearing what kind of hat cubs hat in. What movie tremors specifically six one. Six addition eight. Now he's been at all of them though right. Yes he's like he's like the guy the guy because it was Fred Fred wars man. It was Fred Ward and Kevin Bacon. He was kind of a tertiary character. He's a he he. He was a major part of the plot points. But not the star of the movie. I think that he became the stars. The sequels kept getting made made made when sequel to came around and Kevin. Bacon was like no. I'm not hanging out there. Like what are we supposed to do and he was like like gross very trimmers intense and they just kept going on and on and on a very Trimmers intensive edition all territory program. That's worth related idea. But but you know. He was wearing schering sports as some kind of sports hat. And all of them they had a jump from rock to rock and shoot things and running and yes tremors was was a sporting event is trevor's sports. I I heard a Christmas movie. Yeah let's let's move on from the Atlanta. They talk that. The Atlanta Hawks are going to get as what kind of hat Michael Gross was wearing. In the tremors sequels probably. So we're going to go west. We're going to do the thing out west I've got You know l. a. In L. A. Are obviously main contenders during this particular basketball season but Also Out West you have golden state which bay area Minnesota which has Minnesota Phoenix's which is our home New Orleans Mardi Gras is held. I once asked you if if fly you've ever been to Mardi Gras do you. Do you recall your response to that. It was have you seen a fifty got gallons storage tub mart beads and I said no and then you said No. I've never been there. I'm not allowed to go to go to Mardi Gras. You've been to San Antonio yes Portland have you ever been asleep at work? You know? Okay I I think everything around it now at this point. It's through Portland. I think that you know. It's been a week of a summer Salem and we took a trip into Portland. Probably went through there for the airport. We've never been to Sacramento the Kapitolo California Memphis. You and I have both been there but never together Dallas We've both been there in the heat of summer We we've actually been to multiple Ranger Games and an Astros Game Oklahoma City. I've never been. I never read to Oklahoma. You may have been there because you driven through it when I moved Phoenix but when you moved to Phoenix you didn't do much in the way of stopping traverse bathroom. It was too bad. We didn't stop until the tables empty. Okay so if you want to so if your bladder was full you better have hoped that the tank was empty. Yeah Utah Utah Spence. Yeah couple I think two nights I think in Utah. I have spent a matter of hours in Utah Specifically Midvale Utah which is right by Salt Lake City. We mentioned that we've been to Houston so wait Phillips in Houston We got to breakfast at a place called Baby Barnabei's before we actually. It was like wait. I was like making fun of him because we thought it was. That looked like him and then he was like. Hey I'M WADE PHILLIPS DENVER. We've do Denver plenty then. You have La AND LA I have been to a clippers game. Never game never a Lakers home game at Staples Center But we've been to L. L. is a decent place to visit but not just doesn't strike me as a great place to live so Going through this list Denver. Houston SALT LAKE CITY OKLAHOMA CITY DALLAS MEMPHIS SACRAMENTO Portland San Antonio New Ans right here in the valley of the Sun Minnesota and San Francisco. Most desired location. To live. Stay in here. I'm staying here too. I'm saying here. This is the best. We're not obsessed with water. I can drive to see water. We don't like humidity. We don't like bugs. We don't care we have a pool. We'RE FINE. We don't need ocean water with all sorts of weird animals living in it. We don't need high taxes and ridiculous other. I guess I'm I'm GonNa Tell You. Florida's beaches are better than California's beaches. Badgen so just because the water's nicer nicer. Both Goldstein gets cold. All of the time. It really does it really. Does I think there's like a two month period in the middle of the summer where it's not cold or Zoo likeable team in La La proper or are we also including duckie's angels include Orange County. I am fine with doctors and angels get your terms of actual. La chargers no. Somebody's got like the charges. Why can't I be you now? I prefer the Lakers. Yes I would. I would actually be very pleased to see the clippers. Hoisting the Be At the end of the at the end of the House and they've been relevant. I mean Lebron and Lebron going to La winning. I you know I think it would nauseate some people. I think that it would cement his legacy. Maybe not maybe not up there with Michael but you're winning with a third team quiet same opportunity though. I think that that's glossed over. Lebron just got so much so many more miles on him that I you know I think you can't. You can't look at those two apple apples to apples as far as winning with three different franchises of course quite was traded to Toronto and then when he had the opportunity to leave and go to La and secure the bag so to speak and get his paycheck. Then You know. I don't really begrudge Leonard for jumping teams. Lebron has got off Lebron Geico quite Leonard took his. He took his Toronto. There was rumors that he wouldn't play. He played and he won the championship in his only season. There so Toronto doesn't have any sour apples over it and or sour grapes and it's our graves spilled milk sour grapes anyway. I respect the way that Leonard has jumped from team to team a lot more than the way Lebron has. But you know you could remember where I'm from Cleveland and say that you know I'm I'm just I'm just bitter about it and it wouldn't be completely untrue. Denver you know. Denver's dot gotten the victories with the avalanche and the broncos played. I think the nuggets are more likable than either of those teams. Colorado's just kind of there hanging out middle of the country it's snowy and they're skiing the next day it's eighty and they're sweating to death and they have a nickel Yokich so they've got kind of a superstar but not a not an Alpha male type of superstar. I think that that's what some of these L. Secondary Teams in the Western Conference half going on Houston's bench crying you know. They had Chris. Paul and James Harden Russell Westbrook and James Harden its attitude the same thing It's disappointing that they can't really crack the top of the league. They were probably Golden State's best competitor but Golden State pulled away. Oklahoma City is just kind of Zombie. What Houston used to be Hock Chris? Paul and Stephen Adams probably the big players there and the Dallas has an exciting player that came over from overseas in a Llegado. A kind of took the torch from Dirk Nowitzki. So I think that that's kind of a cool story that they've got going on there as far as the basketball is concerned. I mean it's La La. That's that's going to be intriguing if if we don't get there There are going to be people that just are going to check out on basketball much like a lot of people have already checked out on basketball. And that's the thing is basketball. You almost need very specific match ups. You almost need Celtics versus. Lakers you up you know I. I'm not sure that box versus Lakers. Is that big of a cell either? The bucks versus clippers is even less of a cell. Golden STATE AND CLEVELAND was exciting. Because you had the super team that Lebron tried to build versus this kind of organic team until Durant came along anyway and then you had durant versus Lebron you know which was an Alpha versus Alpha matchup that we never got while Kobe. Bryant was still playing in Kobe versus the broncos. Because you know when Kobe finally got their Lebron wasn't able to get there and when the Lebron started going regularly with the heat the Lakers just didn't have it going on and I think that's where bad basketball struggles because I don't think it matters who plays the Stanley Cup who plays in the super bowl who plays in the world series. They really matters from a marketing perspective for the strength of the sport who does play in the NBA finals. Especially because it's well and I guess you could argue that. Nhl As long to. It's just such a long playoff to finally get to the finals and I think hockey is random. I think hockey is random enough that you say okay you. Whoever's got twelve wins and reaches the Cup final know? They've earned it versus basketball. Where it's it's it's preordained. It's supposed to be this team in this team. It's supposed to be more and more to the fact this player and this player are supposed to carry their teams there and if it doesn't end up being the predicted matchup it's like okay. Well we'll deal with it. You know I think a lot of people will wanted Philadelphia. A lot of people wanted the Lakers to compete with golden state. And you're on but Lebron got hurt. The team just wasn't good enough around him until they until the trade that everybody had happening for six months happened over the summer and they got Anthony Davis. And you know I just kind of like that. The clippers are there to compete with them because Golden State didn't really have any competition in the West. It's nice that the Lakers aren't going to be able to put it in cruise control and just show up in June. And I'll make an all even you know. Go against my own team saying that you know. That's the way the Cleveland was supposed to be. If Cleveland didn't make the finals it was going to be disappointing and it was going to be a disappointing finals. If it was anybody else you know even if it was the Boston Celtics. Y'All going up against Golden State. I'm glad that it's not gonNA be Golden State this year. I think that that's one thing that we have to look forward to but at the same time I I'm not sure that either the LA teams are really really represent the casual.

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Ep. 558: Thinnn Boy Cruisers Club

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Ep. 558: Thinnn Boy Cruisers Club

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Just be a Guy. I don't know if the Abbey's closed during coronal fucked about this now. They beat me this. I don't know two capitals what I'm talking about. Why was she talking about well? She knows she reads. Maybe he needed needed so I think Anita pass pass it on to open up the door sheree I I need. How did YOU WATCH LAST DANCE UP? So it's four five will don't tell so frustrating? I gotTa Watch. We all know what happens document stor. Does he retired? Does he win? I will get on that immediately. You you really need to do. What's interesting is it's GonNa be the next Episode Spoiler Michael Jordan's Dad dies. Yeah that's that's why I retired murdered murdered but when you look into it so suspect. I went down down weird rabbit hole last night. There was the rumor that Gambling debt gambling debt with Michael Jordan and he sells millions and millions of Michael Jordan shoe. So I don't think money would be an issue especially if there's a bounty on his dad's head but it's just really weird the murderers there's two teenage kids who killed his dad who pulled over on the side of the road North Carolina. There's a hotel like fifty yards up. Stay there who knows and these two kids are there in prison for life for one kid says we're working for someone. They said he was shot in the chest. There's no bullet hole in a shirt. They take the evidence of his shirt. Someone on the case berries the shirt in the backyard. The attorney goes the fuck you do. I stop it stunk. In the off so I buried it so you dig it up. Get it the fuck back to forensic man what are you doing? He was my bat returns a shirt. Now there's a gun wound in the shirt one of the kids who the one who did murder him Says he's somebody else. But then his dad is the sheriff of that county. She's Chris the other kid who's on a For life he he goes. This is what happened and I believe him. Kids suspect pretty goes so my call meets his best friend called me. Two young kids call me. I need help hiding the body. Come help me. So he goes and helps the kids that killed dad. We're black yes okay. So they killed them. He helped him dispose the body in the in the swamp or whatever put it over there and in North Carolina the maximum. You can get your your maximum years. You can get. It's ten if you're you know aiding and abetting yes aiding in a murderer. But they gave him life so he's trying to appeal that you know I don't think she get life. He was no. He's hiding a body so they got a Michael Jordan's. Nb All starring their dad and something else and these idiots made a rap video two days later in the ring and the other shit. Are you kidding? Here's what's We'd though trump and you and I are really conspiracy theory besides his culture. Here's the thing bladder. But the thing is that he's right but the thing is dump trump for president trump trump. Hey so but just kidding The weird thing is is. His Dad was missing for twenty one days before reported. Miss I know I remember. It was his birthday seven days later. The family didn't report a missing. Join US US alone. Love disappeared on his own. It's like you might have. I mean this thing it's yours. It's a shame but it's just so it's so interesting and what what else Episode five and six last night. I think that's at one two three three else five and six. Was you know Jordan for his gambling? Take a lot of heat in the media and said that's one of the reasons retired he just don't like the negativity coming at them with outside. Go to thought this was rough thing about the players today dealing with Social Media Jamie. Get Point he was. Yeah but today's players are a little soft and they're very very email like Kevin durant the care about people's opinions Jordan does it and Kobe came up and social media agent. He didn't give a flying fuck. He didn't give a flying fuck life Jordan Jordan address said gambling problem. He goes gambling problems when your children can't eat because you're spending money. I promise you. Children need very very well. I don't I don't I don't agree with that. I mean you can have problem. Still be able to hide in. Gambling never stopped. Gambling still doesn't call off all done. I like to win it with the shoe so they wanted him to support this governor. I think in North Carolina a black them. They're beaten a racist white guy. Maybe when you support for the for this guy he's a Democrat and he goes. Why would I do that? Republicans buy shoes to how I use. Brown he was he was. I never wanted to be. I'm T- Try and be a role model. I'm not trying to invest in. My soul's play basketball shoes do that. That's that's his right. That's fair yeah he he. Jim Brown was very critical. I watch your Jim Brown. I watched him debate a racist governor and Jim Brown man was Markelle yes he was smart and and he was amazing and a lot of ways. I mean Jim. Brown took his role very very seriously. And when all came out it was him and Mohammed Ali. The bullet political back. Then you you were. Basically the second thing was much different than what Jordan and you remembered your member. Jim Brown then remembered not being able to vote being segregated time different. I don't think that should rely on Jordan shoulders to kind of pick Democrat Republican. Just come I think it's I think you are allowed to say. I'm an athlete and I stay out of that. I think I think to be as great as Jordan. It was the only thing you could do right. I mean at least for him. I don't know what I don't know what it takes to be that great but I would imagine it takes only showed like you know he's him getting off the bus him going the hotel him. After Games before Games spent time with kids with cancer and the amount of pressure that is put up in the notoriety and the fame. I don't think there's been a athletes even close as famous as him. Not even with. What do you get I felt hotel down. He's like this is the only time I get just to feel somewhat normal. He goes I stay here all day. Speaking of greatness like when when you have to be back right so Dan Gable who went to went to the Olympics and didn't have a point scored against it go metal. Beat all the Russians didn't have a point scored against it's never been done. It's crazy and Dan Gable. That was the Olympics when the Israeli Olympic team was was killed argo by it was killed by the by the by the Palestinian Ben. Affleck helped him out there. You go and Dan. Gable was so focused on his match that when they said what did you think of the Olympics he said or what did you think he says that you as you said he said I just did. The weather seemed a little. It was a little foggy my joints and he didn't even that was the last thing he was thinking about. Last thing he was thinking about and he said he said that was just singular focus. He was just so focused on that that he wasn't able to you know so I don't again. I'm not going to criticize Michael Jordan for being that singular about it even draws exhausted missiles exhausted and then they show the cameras McMahon. There's never been a guy like Jim effort ever. Yeah I mean change culture from from shoes to hip hop I mean everything. He was great. One was the most famous man of all time naval more famous person. The only one who might compete Hitler was Mohammed. Ali Athlete Wise Athlete hunting. So do did the close right. Yeah well I leave me worldwide. Well even in Africa remember using Jordan. What will yeah? And so what? Ali said was everywhere. You See a light as you fly over a city they know I know and I think the same thing as close but I think I think Jordan even it was bigger because basketball was big. More people can relate to that too probably probably I would imagine. I don't know how many people in China at the time or Russia December watching nominally but then when when Jordan went to Olympics and the Dream Team it just changed the dynamics. Then you know inspired all now in Europe in Sweden. Yes some of the best basketball players in the world all the key the guys from Europe and all that that area that them being but he said he this would make them look like an asshole. I don't think that's fair. I don't think Nassau I think has as passionate Jordan like I say as such a fierce competitor and passionate. I must see. That's what I was saying that last night. Watch it when I told my grandma Hughes making maybe the maybe the next episode shows them. But I don't I don't see it yet. I think he did. Didn't you tell me he punched? Punched will perdue although Steve Kerr. Yeah purdue punched yeah but again the guys. Who are this serious about winning this passionate? The big thing on them to not anybody's GONNA side relies. Ahah Thomas but you know they hated Isaiah Thomas. Oh they'll rumor was joined was. I stopped because they you know before before the Dream Team the Olympics for the USA was all collegiate players. So they weren't they were amateurs go and compete with these pros and we were getting destroyed. So then America went then. Ain't cool Winston our best so they assembled the Dream Team so they call join. I the rumors Jordan Saddam in as long as as non. Yeah what was that about? I know he did. They hate the hate him. 'cause he had issues with everybody magic. He had issues with Scotty. You had issues with his head. Isaiah had issues with all of them so they said. Hyun mess up the dynamics of the team so the rumors although Georgia's room Jordan said they called me and the first thing he says he he implicated that he goes. The person you think is not on the team. I'm in years. I'd have to say anything. I didn't do anything so he goes. He can say whatever he wants he was what he was. I didn't say anything day brought to my attention. I saw Thomas recently had a party. He is not much talk to me. He's not a tall guy to be that great. You know with those guys point match Johnson. Is that right. Oh yeah that good. Oh Got Damn what my big. Alan over. The People Love Isaiah the great do love. Oh He's a great because he wasn't like this a coach of the New York Knicks last name. Who is though how interesting. So they didn't get along. Yes yeah join was still hate them. I respect this game. I don't like him and Charles Barkley was on. Espn today and he said the thing. That may Jordan so better than all of this was he took everything personal. People don't take things personal. He never did. He never did. Another sports illustrated interview after they. They put on the cover. Is Michael Jordan Embarrassing Basketball Baseball? He never he never spoke or look at his speech. He'll chip this big even as high school Babylon attack and Cote. I should've made the team. I remember yeah but Charles Charles Barkley when they're in the finals trial scored forty two point is the NBA season Mvp and joined MVP. He's I should have got them P. Watch this and Charles goes. It's the only time I felt like I wasn't the best basketball player on the court. The only time my crew during those smile do they have a story on there. In the Dream Team it was Jordan. His his players Alec. The other team though team had magic and burden David Robinson they were stacked and join had the other team the B. Team and they went up nine points. Imagine John Start Talking Shit to him and he said he goes. I never did that. Because then joined went L. Really and they start and they said it was the best basketball anybody's ever seen Magic Johnson. At one point threw the ball into the stands. They because he goes next. I know who joins teams up by four? Oh my God and he goes. We're talking the best of the best he took over and was like I'm Alpha Dog. He was after then. He said the gun. The bus intention was so high and then magic went well which. I didn't say that everybody started laughing with the cows. The best game we've ever play the great. The Best of the best. I mean Yeah Jordan. All extreme winter and Jordan took over then how about joins about when he's playing against Clyde Drexler the trailblazers with the team right playing in the finals and they they kept comparing Clyde Drexler to Jordan? Join US in annoyed me. That even compare them to me so what he do. So what he do he let them up for. Forty seven points as crass annoyed me. They can be he goes he's player. He's a great player but he's not me and when they compared to me he was at to show them. What is that a bed that need to be? That's just yes this crazy. 'cause you forget how good he is? It's like you are your own biggest fan like like for real like you're just like the idea that anybody would like he he. We're talking about how hard it is. Because you've talked to champions and how hard it is especially fighters to stay at the top. Have you everybody is is you know gunning position but for him it was the only place you wanted to make sure you knew he was the best. How funny is that? He said he goes. My goal is twenty or so now on people to say Jordan would still have dominant and of course he would have. Would you hear what they did? The the number one pick kwami Brown now so Jordan was like this is the guy and when he was playing for I think Charlotte he was the GM and Kwame is number one pick in Kwami came to practice. Cocky joined comes out to on the court and his business close as one kings again. I picked you. Beat them one on one. And he's like I don't know fifty something business again and they said one of the reasons. Quantum Brown was the bus is Jordan broke down. It was like you're the guy you're the number one pick dance is what you do. Just back down fucking Gucci suit. That's just such you got to watch the Olympics. Because you think about it David Robinson Shawn Kemp Kristen Leitner You know the best of the best. The Best Magic Johnson Larry. Bird the best of the best and they give join the B. team and he takes overdue. They say hit the next nine shots in a row once they start talking. Shit. Don't just to show US Alpha male. Damn that's so sick. Then they go into his whole Jordan shoe stuff how he wants. He didn't like Nike. He wanted to sign with Adidas. The show men appear adidas thousands and throw up showman adidas and his mom's like listen this new company the track company but go out there and just see what they have to say. They're putting all this hard work in. You owe it to them to see what they say so they go out there and joined still with a cattle noman. They give him this pitch. They signed him for the first time. They said it was two hundred fifty thousand dollars the next athlete to shoot endorsement. Making hundred thousand guy. I'll take the money and his agent goes well Nike. You're in your shoes. You're putting air in condom. Whatever nikes will his can be Air Jordan? And that's how that got started really Air Jordans. Wow it's fascinating and the first year. They thought he was going to make well. They said what we WANNA do is make something like three million over the three years in the first year that made something like eight million dollars like just blew it out of the water. He's just he's just even little kids. He's just astonishing and every like Mike Commercial. Yeah he's just astonishing. He's astonished be like my commercial. Catering you know the recruiting that. They're gonNA Redo having I think I. I'm pretty sure Zion Williams's in it which is not. I don't know how I didn't grow up with American sports. Yeah and they were laughing so hard. 'cause I was twenty three and I was watching him play basketball with my friends. Who were all you know? Irish tying critiquing no I went. I went like this. I go I go. I was like he's so good I was watching. They had aerial shots and I was like. He's so good he likes Jordan the next day they kept going. Hey Hey who am I? Michael Jordan can play basketball. He's really good. I mean I just for me. I didn't even know anything about basketball. And I was just astonishing. It was when they show how good he was laying content. Now it's a whole different thing. I I gotta I gotTa get Charlemagne did tweet out this He was saying how it is time. Williams Jason Tatum. All right all right all right. Let's say But they did say how impressive it is what Lebron has been doing since eighteen. You know be in a social media world all the negativity and all the hate he gets. He still performed dominates. Go Charlemagne's tweet Chen Shannon's tweet on Michael. Yeah Yeah you'll see it. It's probably last one lesson about breakfast. The bronze look at twenty years old since nineteen. It's funny see all the players though now. Everybody's fake as Thick Fox. 'cause they just lift differently and probably doing something they would you say. I don't know go that one. Can you imagine if Mj came up in the social media watching the media pressure Jordan was under during that first? Three peat makes you respect. Lebron more for staying in his His for staying sane is entire career. It's true Lebron's never broke. He is so much hate. I don't think joined break though not not not with that mentality. 'cause the only person close to his mentality coburn. Kobe scored forty one points with like a hundred and three fever. He had the flu. Can the flu room to really well? Jalen rose went on. I think I don't know if you've but the rumor is hero. He was hungover but still hundred. Whatever a flu or hung over either way than say six forty three points. Yeah poisoned trainer. Said the pizza while you're in this Guy Pizza before a game you put in fucking trash fry but So the game is pizza. Australia's like dude. I wouldn't eat this. He said like five dudes dropped off and no one else. They didn't join eight it and he's the only one I got sick so it could be the all right. What did he say about grow? Rose allegedly found his way into college. Party hung out with a bunch of Indiana kizlar hours Go down who knows it. Hung over or fluids impressive. Ab this Saturday UC. 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Everybody I don't think I feel. I feel like whenever I feel like my eyes have pillows in my head my head. I just feel like in wet cement when I eat shitty food interesting. Yeah I think it's insulin rush you get syrup with. I sure did with a fuck each dry packaged with butter. Sometimes God I fucking love package so on America and I'll tell you something else. I like ice cream sandwiches from cool house out there. So they're gonNA fucking day. I even like the fucking coconut ones that cookie. You put them between two fucking delicious cookies. right there that he vanilla. Goddamn German. I don't know the the the dairy free ones are really good too. They're all fuzzier sugar in them. Hell House See. I'm sugar is in one of those goddamn sandwiches. If they're that tasty food so good though I cut him up. Because you don't want the big. I don't want the whole deep-frozen I'll die. Twenty three grams. Twenty grams of sugar. Is that a lot flusher but not allow for cookie ice cream sandwich. I would imagine on more hold up. Hold up it's sixty grams. Well I'm sorry it's forty six games. Half Whoa Yeah See. That's more like forty six grams of fucking sugar. And it's five hundred thirty calories and three hundred thirty from fat Seems like a little sixty grams of carbs quite a bit. Thanks Calories Nice Cream. Fuck off right. You ain't cova eat. Your Goddamn pancakes sometimes. Need an ice cream sandwich. Sometimes it seems like you don't every night bill bubba. I've been good my my body's tighter lying. I feel strong relying beach. Cruiser and your deep thrown ice cream. Saying I'm eating. I'm having some problems. Yeah it's just this cova do it. I know feeling I feel like we're getting out of it. Donald Trump. I feel like we're out of it though. The Governor of California just announced that we're going to be moving into face to on Friday face to face to role play. Turn to suck in this Kali. Your Dick hold on to suck. Don't you bring it up timber? You know but I thought I may fifteenth is one. I think you're GONNA have to take that out. They can't take all this out now now now. You can't say that you know there's a protest on his how he's GonNa hug you know. There's a protest going on his house. Yeah there should be. He's been four. That's why people are saying is forced to do this because of all the elected do Say how about when I got a ticket yesterday for ride? My bike did I the story. I don't make him look bad guys but they've become just making fun because the mask in the middle of nowhere and I go really fellas mass when co come on take the mask they take the mask and they must have been like fuck they come. What are we doing they know who you were? The Big Guy did the big. I did and I go. What are we doing? I said you need me to do. We don't want to do it either. I go I get it man. Don't worry about 'em talk my way out of it and pardon me WanNa give them a fake name and take off but the Groan managed. Just deal with it anymore. Yeah don't don't say. My name is Chad Stevens. Thanks Chad Hanks and I start rapping and that's like me. I never expect to get recognized. Ever and I'm I'm with my wife time and I'm sitting there I'm complaining about. I WANNA I WANNA hear. Go back to your point is. I'm sitting there complaining. I'm like what the fuck but the food was supposed to come. And I'm being a complete Dick and she goes. Hey you're being recognized by three people right now it. You can't do this scenario. Be fucking like all nice and I was like okay. I'll be nice. Oh sorry so you really nice because you you dick just didn't WANNA be a fucking complained. The fucking manager because he charged me for something. I made a scene walked out and then it goes to the charge. You for this. This fake Bacon fucking Shit charge me for this. And he goes yeah. We'll take those too late. I'm out I'm out. And then they called me and they said you know he's a fan. He felt really bad. And of course. I'll them free tickets. I'm sorry I feel terrible. I Call Back. Your fucking text now Roy. You're never addict it's just sometimes I get a little Spanish but go back to your fucking story. I'm sorry nope stories over now. They give me a ticket with the low fine this way. He was like forty dollars. Yeah he goes and I have been out here if they go really I go. How many days it they're like like fifty seven days ago. I've been the spycraft for fifty days on her own goes. Jesus I go I know how would you stick it? We're giving the lowest possible like twenty five forty bucks and sweet see tomorrow. Fells started laughing of course. Cnn Law see you tomorrow worth when. I'm sure they knew what they like. I'm I'm in the middle of no. Are you guys around here? Where are you going to be? We don't know the other like we don't know math because I have other path can take like just do your thing. And then he goes he goes. What are we doing? I dude look wherever had a year bikers IAGO welcome to the club so three boy bike lock? He's a big dude he goes. I know here's the thing. Do Your biker. How hard is the? Here's pretty tough win the middle nowhere. Do the only thing I've seen is a BOB cat. Cove it from that. Yeah and he was. I agree I go so he goes but the problem is if a thousand people think like you get out here. That's probably go. Papa of a thousand people come out here during shape artis big time ago if we all you covert. We're going to be fine and I said also the son kills it. We know this heels. We don't know we do. We know we know that well so I try to do the same thing you did. Try to build a rapport grainger sitting there and wanted to go up. The there's a culver city place where they're stairs out so I wanNA drive shutdown so I- cops there and I go anywhere like that because he thought I was going to go so I get out of my car and I go over and I go. Hey Garcetti's at Dick Right. What a pussy he is. The fuck is this. He's a pussy and the guy goes dude he goes he's not a pussy we'd have a thousand people crammed up there and it'd be a big problem. It's wearing a mask. He had a heads up there. So all really okay. I'll see he goes and he goes. Yeah all right over. I was embarrassed. That one makes a little more sense. If it's like I shutdown anything. I not the especially when it comes to outdoor activities. Sun Helps everything and just for mental health. I think this is probably the best thing to do but It is strange. Well well with the bioluminescence. Now you know the the algae now when it gets turned up you can go out to the beach now at night. And it's like it looks. It's crazy it close so the beaches in Manhattan beat fucking Venice and packed two packs up and and when they try to clear it out Venice people like Nah they try to do it in Manhattan beach the same thing. You guys got to get out of here like Nah. Nobody cares combs. We're getting over the Hump Friday. I'm excited so Friday face to hear salons Tattoo Parlors. Here think boy bike boy coaster club bookstores clothing stores toy stores florist or dying. There had hit hit really hard. You know to buy old the floor. You ever seen a young hot floors dying their businesses. They're going boy boy. Yeah floors is dying right. Airlines are down ninety five percent. Son Airlines SHAMMA ticks. Now that's going to be slow tried and it's GonNa go smoke in. Yeah I gotta by Tics but I got you spirit airlines seven four dollars. You're on first class mass spare. Hey Yeah that once that was spirit launch. I'd rather take a boat on shoes. And they go. Oh you WanNa Luggage Papa where you have to hold onto it. And it's one hundred dollars each seat which goes right up. My shitter is more comfortable and want refreshments. Nah OUT TAP WATER TAP. You'll take some tap water and shove Spirit Airlines Dude GonNa pay for the last time rides. Fly spirited aren't the guy goes okay. He's being charged to his bag. Last time I spared islands. That's okay nothing. Makes me more excited when celebrities especially deleted all time can talk shit to the airlines united? You should be ashamed of yourself. Yeah sure we don't give a fuck there. You have to use one of the major once again do I. I've done that before. And they go. We'll give you points. Thank you for reaching out. I'm like it'll give a flying fuck now face to face. Three I think phase three would be Places like offices shopping malls and then James and stuff face to face to face as to malls are open we saw last time. Are You doing nicotine to Chin a little bit stage nuit own Nick Nick Patching you right now all you can. Hey guess what do what. Now that factors open and they just text me thick boy bike club. Murchison Drop Fried Boy Cruiser Club. We'll suck in t shirts. We're giving out tattoos stays through. We'll be high-risk business will be able to reopen includes nail hair salons gyms movie theaters. I can't wait to go to the movie theater. It stays to go to move theater and coughing. Your faith states four will be the end of the stay at home order stage four. I bet wet stage four by June nagas retail stores but with curbside pickup. Fuck off coming around Dude Dude. I'm so excited Thursday getting together my San Diego Chapter Boys. The picture of the bike will be run pretty excited. I'm happy for you. Thanks Dude Are we doing a bonus episode on Friday on Friday. Yeah Okay I'm just driving up Cindy and driving back day I get my mouth and come right back. Man Like a cruise. No TRAFFIC WITH THE BEST. I love cruising Dude all I do you old. Fuck icon METALLICA. The kid can just fucking hit those trails dunes ride. I ride spill to spills took to spell Papas backsaw. All Strawberry. I saw hurts. Abet the showers gotta be careful That's partly dig. Dude that's why unanimity. It's like my friend Joey who was trying to make trying to do eventing on horses where horses fallen people die. All the time died when I was there and The two Olympians came in when he in the hospital and they said you have to stop and he goes winding this. Because you're making mistakes. We don't make because you started too late. I'm not saying that's you. I'm just saying you're like yeah Algebra. Your friends also told you my age now. Quit ran horses though. The only thing gayer than a banana seat Rhino Graham. Not Not a grown man. Go ahead and pull up event. Sports illustrated call eight hundred over the over car. Nothing they jump in cars. You should read it often. They sports illustrated said it's the most dangerous sport in the world. Toughest Borton older here it. They're nuts keyboard so and you don't want to see the spills it's crazy. It's such an old video rich white now. They're not rich. They're rich sponsor but visit jumped like why cyst watch these jumps. I couldn't believe how I was watching. It's much longer. It's as long as a car. What he's jumping jumping and shakes up. Sweating Jim Fucking. And that's definitely more dangerous than the guys that ride the mountain bikes on the fucking skinny. Pass thousand four hundred years actually more dangerous die well. It's only dangerous. If pretty gay did not. Don't say that please don't say ask you ask you to not say it is among the top. Riders are getting the whole thing writers. Everyone has to be small turned suits. There are in soup tops and their hat looked at the horses. The horses all the the horse does all. But you've got to be very you. Just wow very still dude. Look Oh my God. Donald Trump discussed so much money. You're right the horses the athlete. Oh my God dude on sweat. It's all that horse. I'm sweating every doesn't taste a lot of Control Brennan. Oh my God he. Using using your your your. I love say horseback riding uses every muscle in your body. Shut THE FUCK. Hang on. We use you. Do use technically every muscle. Because you're using your legs and your touch. Everyone everyone's tiny. You can't be happy do that. Shit you'll be lightweight. The women of the horseback riding world are not always in the best of now. They look like warlocks and they'll suck each other's athletes do this. Cap Lock Gates. That's not true. That's not what I was saying saying. Yes we may not be in shape as cross-fitters let's just put it out of shape because the horse doing all the jumping there there are there. It's more it's more. What's the word it's forgiving of more of a you know that that would be an excellent horseback by pickle. Rick Rick Your School Dude you. Rick and Morty drop last night bitches that's so he goes but I mean she kinda kills Rats Dude looks like does she look like you're such a bad guy man. Yeah Sports Super Day. Though I never got I don't mean like homosexual. Yeah I do. Oh she's hot you don't think she's a writer though. They'll look like pee wee football players. I WANNA ride. I WanNa ride so I just want to get off once. I WanNa get on her bike. I really do. I might start fucking mountain biking with you if you go to spokane Saturday. More than two clubs get together the spokane chapter. Maybe I'll do that. I might be doing enough because I don't ride. That ain't the time to start at events. You really come to work bench for your first trial. No Dude okay. Maybe I'll make a quick appearance and say what's Up Mall Jerseys hold fresh out okay. Hold on maybe hold the flag and go like this ready set. Go do what you know. Hold the waterfall. We come by and we grabbed him. How my wrist instead of water? It'll be vodka suckers nope OKC. You Pretty Krung profess to though dude. Can I ask you question? What shoes do you wear when you ride your bike shoes? I wear ride concept MT but An anesthetic we're going to be putting out some shoes. Delimit baby got right there right. I have a conversation with specialized. Yes I did you go. Why would you like? I don't like clippings though unlike clippings for mountain bikes are you'll be able to say what happens when you fall. When you have Clinton's well you can you clip out for? You'll be pretty fucking on. I guess some guys use clippings I don't I like to build fucking Jimmy Service on a road bike unique. Lipton's you get more power though 'cause up you can pull up. You know. Jesus look it up. It's Clinton how long have you been How far did you go? You went twenty one miles or so. I went twenty twenty five miles or something on the bike. And then I went fifteen miles on my standard fifteen miles two hours. Because you're just up and downhill up with the how much how much peddling doing a ton shape getting. Your body's changed a little bit. I will be honest to to get to. The top. Is What's cut METALLICA's albums so exhausted by time. Even start the right to get up to the top so tired that bad member. They're all like a specialized though and down the big boy Mousse thanks for callen. How the boys rule that specialize the company I specialized. I'd like bike and I want my son to have one he's eight. I WanNa take him bike riding from what? I want a bike. My son wants to bike. That's what the club is do what I want I want to. Is this charity. No I WANNA represent. You'll have money no. I have mine by my bike. Okay but I'm just saying I don't know what kind of bites get some special help me and they can help you but specialized probably knows what's good for my body. I'm five eleven. One seventy all muscle you. Just I hate to be shitting. GonNa hurt sales odd man. That's a fucking unfair. WanNa say why. Your membership is revoked. That's not fair man in great shape. You know this woman. Grace Eighty saw me leap into the Ferrari or the Portuguese t to of all bikes. Yeah is a specialized liivo turbo s-l that they had on there that I just need to start a bike kept me a starter bike. Then I think she'd get huffy. I'm not getting a fucking huffy now. What is specialized? They're good company. I'm fucking I want to represent specialized. No yeah no what about the beginners club yet to go. Get on the fucking horses your Talk Shit. Let's call it old starters. Mature starters six thousand the turbo Expense Liivo as I like thirteen grand. I think she's the one that we were looking at last time with a gold chain Arts and expensive. Are you going to be another guy? Who's going to fifteen bikes now? Oh yeah gotTa do right. Got the stable Bro. You like horses at checkout chick. My state income by and I take one of your bikes steel. I'll do it in a heartbeat. What the promise to small hold on to small but I can live where the seat. Note that the shocks are set for two hundred sixty pounds. The whole thing set over my side really. You can't read. It was jumping on the trampoline yesterday and that trampoline was that was an Olympic trampoline. Boy Oh boy. That was a crater. The thing with smooth yeah. It's good that that trampoline but it kind of rows your brain little. If you keep doing it I don't mind that's good good for you. Good for rig. I didn't see the new Ricky Morton Old Super Old Tat and light. I've Trot tried to get around to watching it and not get distracted with other things like right now. I'm watching the last kingdom on net flicks the good. It's pretty good. People keep telling me that Vikings is better. I should watch that. I've heard Vikings Christopher said Vikings. I'm watching Ozark that's another one ozark. Won't everybody finish that. Oh I don't know quarantine phase one. I've been hearing named caught up on the last day of back on it. That's true are one of the greatest so it's pretty good. I wouldn't say it does. Good as game of thrones or anything but I'm watching bull shit is just a really big. He's fine that's really what it is to look at him. Pretty busy yeah. Beautiful is yeah full mouth round face I finish hunters on Amazon. Ending is have you seen it? No good deed ending is just shocking. Yes so you recommend. I love the naughty stuff very good. Show very good eight or nine out of ten nine out of ten. If you're not first of all it's in my one of my favorite airs. It's in the seventies nineteen seventy seven New York chaos Yep Newark their Nazi hunters Jordan appeals a producer of it. So He's brilliant out Pacino's the head Nazi hunter The kid from the kids in fury raise young kid who can't kill and Fury. He's phenomenal and It's just really goodman some great. Tv Out there man. As I have an Amazon has some great feedback a habit. Oh please watch it. I loved it. I was just like you know what you know. What gets rave reviews is the tick now. If you remember I was a kid take was a cartoon of a blue guy. Type of the tick auditioned for this idyllic because the suit and thought not but apparently it's supposed to be a great show. It looks absolutely ridiculous. Yeah I love that actor this. He's going to audition for this one. Yeah they sent out a casting call. Ferment win passed on it. So in that situation Bubba They knew who they wanted. Which was the reason that they have auditions for. That is publicity and it's really what I wouldn't have thought I turned on is what I just knew that he was the tick. And you know the cartoon was big. I had the video game on Sega. Genesis as well. It's funny I think it's really funny. Apparently the dig it gets crazy reviews. Does it fuck? I WANNA watch it when I watched that nasty stuff the Holocaust. Holy Fuck do. Yeah the horrible shit that they did. It's I. It's astonishing dude. I'll keep me up. It'll ruin you all. I watched a documentary and shows these these MOMS and their kids going to the gas chamber. It's like I like how the area was Nazi Germany in College. I was a history major. Not and and and what? What happened but Liberal not but but what happens is when you when you see that and you rabbit hole. It's astonishing and also you then can't really cope your life. What what have you look at? Take politics a little bit seriously. These read philosophy. I read it the primarily. It's because I'm trying to negotiate the problem of Evil and how it can happen and seems to happen. I'm reading go scores. Which I think you'd really like the book about the Secret War. Cia were the secret wars of Afghanistan. And Yeah and really fascinating. The Middle East. Really Really Good Stephen Cole and I recommended by got to me Again talk about an unlucky part of the lucky. He's read it but but it was recommended by a guy who's currently in this and I'll tell you something man it's again it's like he want to pull the price for this again. You fucking you fucking read these books and you realize how lucky we are to be living now in the United States because there are times when you had no recourse and you would just be killed. You would watch your children be in. Its whole so harper. I'm glad you're watching badge. Glad you're kind of feeling it. Because I just booked just got the book the Third Reich. Oh Wow good for you. Just carry impressive. You're reading of that giant Nazi logo on it though. That's okay I know I know the right words I'm going to have to cover it was. That was Hitler's the Third Reich was supposed to be the right one thousand and so the hunters Show is obsolete. It's it's lives in some truth. Because there was Nazis that came over the United States tons of absolute NASA stuff. Like that but these Nazi hunters. They're hunting these Nazis who is trying to start the forthright. Yes so it's fascinating. Yes I've got some other books for you after when you're done with that until author writes Dick it's thick but I'm glad you're reading it and I get all my reading done when I'm on tour. I read in the hotel on my flight pastime. When I'm on the time I just remind things I would recommend to anybody listening. Sometimes historical books can be a little dense right. They get busy so one of the things that I would recommend is historical novels. That have been researched so exodus by Leon Uris The founding of the state of Israel. Oh Jerusalem is amazing freedom at midnight there that certain certain books that are that are putting the Third Reich Book is twelve hundred pages long. Read a hundred pages the day. You're knocking that out pretty fast. Yeah that's a lot of pages but it's not on the flight all Moxham shit out. It's great I mean I'll be very impressive. Read that book I read that. That's a great book. I mean an and it's not easy but you sound very good to learn about that very good to feel uncomfortable very good to lose some sleep sometimes about the horrors. That have happened history because in a way it's respect for the dead it's respect for the suffer the ones who suffered it's and it's also keeps you aware of when. Tyra a government. Yeah I WANNA government can get and why? This experiment called the United States. I see why people get off. See this I'm not comparing anything not Germany and Hitler and stuff like that but like when I posted that those people gave me a ticket in the parks. Dude when I say people are upset I mean up not the not the younger down the older up because they're taking away our bright but I'm like Whoa Dude. Well I'll be fine back tomorrow like you don't understand it starts with how how much how much freedom on them. Take away from it. So when I posted about Eric. Our City And I was criticizing him And and being dramatic dramatic being dramatic or call them at those being dramatic with strong language. I I don't read my comments but will Sasso call and said you got a lot of really negative stuff and I'm a little worried that people are gonNA take it out of context. What he was worried about me but but the point is it was. It was young people who don't who don't understand or haven't had background the attack on knowledgeable. Very I'm very sensitive to it. So but people who are educated like yourself and I'm not but I'm getting there but even Tim Kennedy like he was. They gave you a fucking ticket. Yeah yeah do yeah. This is ridiculous Blah Blah Blah. But they they know they know what off see. This were Americans are vigilant. Americans should be always very suspicious of the government. We've always been called populous. They gave me my ticket and I fucking fell on my bike and I got strawberry all over my back and homeless and rage against the machine. Do Your American. Oh Maryland. Struggled fucking revolt Merrick. I wanted to fucking but that's what happens and you know what I will go down. That what you're saying is that you watched hunters and what happened was because you it elicited horror and also compassion in your heart like you went. This is terrible. You're seeing a mother walked to a with a baby clutch to a right. That is a feeling of compassion. And horror right you and now you want to learn more about this evil but you know where it started before that when I just show for history not a big deal shut for episodes no big deal. But they're making World War Two model. I remember this. They're making World War. Two Miles now's the host and they said do you have any connection World War Two? I went on my GRANDPA was in that shop by Nazi and sought to call my dad and get some information and give him the the. You know some facts about my grandpa and when I found out all the stuff about my GRANDPA's a cold and I went down this weird rabbit hole of World War Two. It's not meant. Remember when you called me up I'll let you know what else. Yeah but you know. What else is weird is Talk about you know being lazy stuff like that you know in this is well document. You know in D Day. How are we surprised them to storm the beach normally stuff like that? You know that someone went to Hitler to tell them what we were doing but he slept in. They weren't ready for a while but they did. They knew they were that we were storming the beaches and they went to go. Tell Him and he didn't he. Didn't he was lackadaisical about it. Because he's being lazy that day how Insane Histories for stories. What else and also Nazi his original PL- Not Hitler his original plan was to kill all the Jews his original plans to just get him out of Germany. Well they're going to push beyond the euro. Yeah exactly they were GonNa they were GONNA they. Were GonNA kill them like they were? They WANNA get rid. He went and talk to some other. Mussalini. Am I way off on this well? Mussolini was was a contemporary and was the victim of Italy and he went. He went to go talk to him and he goes kill. The that's where it started. It's called the final solution right. So that their their books written on this the final solution was when Hitler got his inner circle together and said the final solution. This is what we're GonNa do we are. We are going to kill all the Jews so in his original plan. We just a push all they do about it but primarily what happened was as they went through the the Russian the Ukraine. Okay as the Nazis win through Russia. They wanted to create an area an open area free of Russians for the new race for German one of the absolute earth. So if you see what the Nazis did in the Ukraine and Russia it is so horrific the s the elite troops that were indoctrinated in Nazi ideology and soldiers love. These kids were like eighteen. Nineteen year old kids. They were rounding up entire villages. Making men dig their own graves and they would shoot them into these holes and the Russian the German Boys. They didn't know what the fuck they were like. They were watching women. Hold it and they were shaking and and there's famous thing where Heinrich Himmler who was the head of the SS got up and made a speech to them in field explaining why this was important for Germany and it was dirty work but they would be heroes but the horror of what they did. So the the the whole scale murder of entire villages almost us who's anti-israeli writer said? His mother killed himself ourself and he said I forgive her. He said what do you mean? He said in one day in her town in Ukraine the Nazis in one day. Kill Twenty five thousand people. Everyone she knew everyone that knew her friends. Everyone and so they shot twenty five thousand people in one day and he said so everything she knew history gone. It's like when you think about all Jews were killed in that area and beyond and and the regular villagers I mean they and they rate than they did. All kinds of what else is interesting to you. Know with the tanks and they're trying to free up the Americans trying to figure out how Nazis were getting through these mountains and snowy area. So much but not amphetamine there on tons of math tons of math. He had all and they're walking in Americans. Like tell the Fuck are they getting? They're they're not sleeping but the thing is is this and they didn't notice the time they're taking all the all these vitamins and math and all the stuff but it catches up with you so then they got really tired. That's when we come and fuck. Yeah tell you what else what happened. Not Say Fuck you hold up. But the Nazis as they as they when the war was over and the Russians started coming into Germany. There was some real score-settling because Russians died than any other. Anybody else exactly right more. Russians died more Russians than anyone. Twenty nine maybe thirty million Russia talk about at all time rushing and after that killed another forty million that crazy morrison's than than any other countries. Yeah Russia softening illustrated is Russia Russia. Flat Russia's a flat area and it was just you know and what else is interesting. I know people are like. There's a whole program for when we took over. You know. Beat the NAS stuff like that. We took their smartest minds states. Sintus because it's it's a double-edged sword because we didn't do that they would want to rush attract so that's why they were working on a rocket they were working on nuclear. They were working on rocket and ended up because of those on unfortunate because they are Nazis. Because those not these came to America. They're the main reason we got. I'm so glad I'm so glad you're reading about this I. It's so awesome t to see you reading about this because of how it may have happened eighty years ago but it's still very relevant for informs the reason the our world it was the destruction of old Europe and and the creation of the new world and the new order. You know and say peace so hard Piss piss hard. You've my second t dick do know youth Nazi remember. You would have been rounded up as a big. You had been forced to do because there's nowhere. Hiller owner Ogden faulk into. Hitler had me a little too dark a little too. You Look Greek or something. Well you think you would kill me. I'll tell you who they would've took Clark took clock. Wow I'm just clock in clock. What are you going to stabilize? Yes even in St Louis Mister. His one hundred percent just banging banging away. Yeah maybe you got a huge anti Nazi Dick Piss now. Usually they make you drop your pants. Circumcised Jew weren't circumcision. Is You know do you know? Drop your pants a senior Dick if you were circumcised. Get on the train. I don't have a sock on mine. I'm not Jewish but I am circumcised. Everybody can you probably know sock it sock off but it's not a suck was moved too much information but my girlfriend didn't even know. I was circumcised. She thought it was. You know wasn't wow. She thought I was well. All right. It's clean relations sleek sleek slick and sleek. It's because you were born in career. Yeah my parents are super against it. We born in Seoul so yeah well a lot of parents now are against circumcision. It's a religious thing that Americans took because it was you know apparently more sanitary or less prone to infection venereal disease. They don't know if that's true anymore if you have if you have it you know it's super like it's silly. Yeah Yeah it's like washing hands. Yeah I don't have to wash the waterfall. Wash Brian Peeling back studying ways. Watch your whistle. I clean my whistle. I you know that whenever you see me walking around I have a clean whistle dirty hands clean with no screen little. That's right over here. I'm I'm very clean about certain things like that. I don't like Pu not into that. You know I don't like sitting on public toilets. I don't think there is anyone who likes it. Yeah I don't think there probably are some freaks. Do use the paper thing. I always use a payment hover. You Hover okay. That's better. Yeah girls will do that to. They'll put the paper thing down and then we'll squad and hold eight so like hovering right above. I wish I could be able to squat like that. There's no way I could do that. You can't hold it. I can't hold that too big too. I'm just too big now. You just don't work to do not do this do this. I could do that but I can't squat on a toilet. No I WANNA fall or my my foot's going to slip out or something. Interesting is still not Steph Steph. We'll still watch crazy squats to squad last simply beautiful takes me. You're stupid governor finally opened up you can every time. He's like say text from J. I always hear in his voice. So it's so funny opened up. I want him to be my road. Manager J J is a big boy emerge and all things boy by club got damaged organized in a whole Orientation Catalina Island. Maybe what does that mean the Boy Festival Fest Dude? It's endless immerse drops Friday papa. All right man. I don't know dude. You know whatever Well I think we've covered all of world war. Two Nazis good stuff. This was an educated Monday. Let's see we got for current event. It's Monday Monday I one. Hey so a couple of youtubers have posted up several videos. I think it's a three part series onto the channel where they're trying to see if they can trick celebrities into thinking that they're doing interviews with other celebrity. Tv hosts by using old footage and doing zoom meetings and so they did it with a couple of people but they actually tried to see if they would get carol baskin to do it and make earth that she was doing an interview with Jimmy Fallon. Sure that suited folk and hut she does. That's that's just her? That's her thing. And she's a flower child. Yeah they ended up getting an interview with her and they took old clips from Jimmy Fallon using the word cats over and over and she thought that the interview was kind of weird but she wasn't old enough to come out and say is this. This is fake violent. She's getting interviewed. Does anybody ever see After Kovic nineteen phones voice. We're ever going to be able to do tours again. That's amazing well. What's going to be Jimmy? Kimmel I I got a fucking dude when I was doing mad TV and I was in new actor. I do this thing and the guy was like so Brian. Colon is like it's Callan and they're like cow colon so tell us about what's it like to work with Roseanne I go. I'm working on TV. And I always be fucked with Brian. Hey man it's like the son of a bitch got me so well. There are a couple celebrities who just let people call them by the wrong name. I used to come in To when I was doing when I was on the road. Ice COMING PRETTY GO. We'll take carry and stuff like that. But now you'll be you'll be ready to go the roasted or whatever you'll be ready to go. Yeah because someone come in and be like fuck with them now you come out of them he come Adam. Yeah especially if it's a bunch of dudes sometimes you're going to do. They're over it and they're already don't like you see you gotta you know what's going on. Fellas you know you stick stick to don't don't fucking let them just light up like the side kick him up then they're like Fuck right then they'd back that's on the back off so this is a quick one. Joe Exotic actually working on a street wear clothing line with Let's see Odom Gender. Yeah he's been speaking to somebody who owns a clothing line? They wanted to do like a club and from jail he is signing off on his likeness as well as designs that he's willing to release more. He is very excited to get out of jail. He is yeah. He's so excited about being a star. What is he going to get out of jail the I never? I mean he's there for a while. Or how long has he done so for twenty years he did get twenty two years? I think he's done a couple though. Couple years four years right three years. Yeah it's not very long. He's got some more Thomas Mung yet. The dragging apartment from trump. He's like that to watch the trump On The town hall to the can't do it at town hall. So they dealt the Lincoln memorial now last night on Fox was interesting. You think rather vaccine By the end of the year experts say it takes fifteen months but trump's at Nyu and then she has one question about China allegories. Doing what China. But they asked one course about Chinese. I'm not giving up my cartoon. That's ridiculous question I'm in. I'm in a chess game. I can't give away my hand and what you're asking you my hand chocolate. Yeah exactly. It's interesting. I think that China China Worse Year of the in less is worse year economically because of the the stuff. Trump's been doing in less seventy years. Listen Man I I think that They should be held responsible ship. Yeah to Tokyo and I say I know what he was. I agree I agree with suck in China policy and he was saying this way before before I was like I was critical of him. I was like whatever his mother fucker you know. I got it. Looks like Shit though when it kill you to work out. You know he doesn't workout. You'll have so many. Beats you have a battery go. It used to be funny. He said that to this guy who rent triathlons you guys. All tidings we're doing he goes. I was doing a traveling. You're going to die young. I wonder I wonder if exercise no exercise helps me. A lot of extras might wear you now. But I don't think so. January twentieth says here. Thank you a twenty percents. Twenty two years. I thas before that. He's going to be there for a while but was he serving time before he was sentenced. I'm sure but even that not beside I thought I thought if he did. Crime couldn't make any financial gain like like serial killers get celani merged or they can't you can't make money off the crime but you can make money. I would imagine well like off of your likeness no lights. Oh 'cause I think George Zimmerman tried to do something similar after his whole thing that guy such a piece of shit. Yeah like he showed up at rallies. Made like meet-and-greet appearances. What else you got you okay. So another I g live. Video gone wrong so. Dj HALID ON IDEA ALIVE. 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Y'All and then just kind of but he never really changed. Look what's this okay so Machine Gun Kelly recently made a video that he posted onto instagram where he found out that his next door neighbor who is Easy what his name is. Jeff Lewis Irving. What's his name His neighbor is is a host of a show and he also has a podcast and he. Mgk found out about this podcast. Listen to it and realize that his neighbors hate him and he just made this video colson across the street. Oh Oh yes now. I have no issue with the sky others. This would ever tension brewing and he said it was actually going to turn into the movie neighbor's kid and that he is Zack. Ephron which means that. I'm fucking Seth Rogan yesterday. Nice machine gun. Kelly's dirty thirty. Birthday was certainly his name label lot about him but five. Pm TO THEM BY THIRTY S day drinking pick cake in the shape of Qatar. Right to your house in the background. They SLIP FOR THE FIREARM. People's driveways it's just like. I think they're so fucked up. They just just stopped the car wherever it right. Ford is on just in front of the G with G wagon. That was blocking my neighbor's driveway with a house. They have to understand. I don't hate them right. My neighbors hate them because my neighbors have complained about them to me every time the cops show up or every time a car gets towed or every time somebody gets a ticket. They're assuming it's me it's not now I now okay Jeff as the new guy on the blocked preferring to you. I wish we would have had a chance to meet. I'm sure there's years of noise to come from my house so I hope that we just have a mutual understanding. And if you ever need anything just come knocking children. I'm going to send us over. Your way cheers neighbor. Him Frames Colson across the street. Is He big? She encounters saying does he make a lot of money. He's very popular and his neighbor. Got It that's cool. It's all be friends that's cool good. Move Your car please movie car. That's hilarious. That's nice all right all right. This is more serious one but that match shooting in Canada. That kinda just like what swept under the rug is all this stuff. produce trudeau announce a ban on fifteen hundred types of assault firearms. Like right away right after it happened. I don't really. I mean he's all right I think he's he's super liberal and just kind when he's making fun of trump no. I'm sure I'd like him. I'm sure he's fine. I don't know the answer is I don't know I don't. I mean as of today the mark for assault weapons. He's so fucking politically correct. It's like well. Mankind goes person guide. All right dude. You know he's just he he's he's just a little he's a little too woke. Opole Titian do we like though I mean. But he's doing like the you know came one like I mean I think I think all of us would be. I think all of us would behave very differently if we were in a position of power. Like that because we'd have to like there's certain things you do that wouldn't be very popular It's GONNA politicians shows. Donald Trump won. And this guy. I think he's a comedian. He did this with a recording of Donald Trump. So funny consumers so to disguise lose all right and that is Carlos Malayan underscore and this is an post with Kierra keenen ivory Wayans. We've gotten older. Yeah it looks a lot older than me. Damn push that right but yeah right there. Okay Hi everybody this is Keenan. Having wins I just want to say. Congratulations class at twenty twenty. I know this sucks. You work your ass off and now you don't even get to work. But that's what makes you the greatest generation of this new millennium in the face of a global pandemic state focus. Continue to work hard and achieve your goals. That's the kind of leaders we're GONNA need in the future. I wish you guys all the best. Keep striving keep smiling. Yes yes yes and yes ause joke. But he's fucking. That was great. All right I've just in from a couple of times smart motherfuckers. All the brothers say he's like Oh he's the course brain living colored emily. He's so special thing that he he invented living the whole machine behind him and Brian talking about the bioluminescence dolphins and that's the dolphin swimming in the bioluminescence neon dolphins. Yeah disturbed the algae They they free county. They let off electric charge central. What's amazing right? Yeah so during the day. It looks red the out. That's cool man. Yeah you can go right now to the beach and watch at night. The waves looked like that has a little beautiful. All right Here's a quick one off the mountain. The mountain he broke the record for lift but like by massive amounts. There was like nothing two hundred pounds. How how much do you weigh? They'll Jin Look after this guy. He's an enormous pretty sure ways. Like five hundred hundred. Proportions are crazy to be so happy. He's so big. If someone Gimme a little kid. Five hundred one kilograms one thousand one hundred one hundred four pounds. British man held the record before this and now that he wants to Moxham listen. People yelling in the background looks pretty. I feel like you want more bring how much she weighs though Chen So he old hundred pounds and he weighs. He's so big. There's a cool yet you know. He had a stroke. And that's why faced. Yeah Bell's Palsy or something like four. He weighs four hundred incredible. Why not five on the record before he short and stocky Holland he weighs four hundred and twenty five pounds of kipling basketball skinny. Not Skinny Skinny. How much does the most you've ever did lift? Do you know closely hundred close to six hundred a lot of weight. The I don't know about I feel like you do more because you're doing five fifty for ten reps. I don't know I mean but that's not true that you 'cause j told me you were doing seven hundred pounds. Maybe all those guys. Do you remember that makes me want you have a lot of weight? You said that the bar was spending Jason Kidd but I mean why did you say six hundred ride bikes? I know but you were. You were fucking doing five fifty time real quick. Qa's four hundred twenty five pounds. That's eleven hundred times body weight to talk about our way. Plus impressive is not three times close to three. Yeah it is actually so that'd be like you don't have much yet. I bet you're pretty close no If I train more often I I was told I can probably do three fifteen to compete. But I don't know I don't like the idea of competing in powerlifting anymore. I don't like the idea of you. Compete at our level. It's fun but Eddie Hall did have the record. So He's four hundred twenty five pounds though you know. He's six nine six foot thirty one to has he's thirty one had no idea. I mean you're doing a lot of different stuff. Young name name name mustard. I mean name a Swedish steroids right. Hey let me see him when he was younger. Hop for impressive you just four hundred five pounds though you know. Here's the timeline. That was him on six. Yeah that means. That's a whole ton of supplements that he filled out. He probably would have filled out. You know child bones. That's how you look before. There's no way without a bunch of Mexico. What steroids can do he? So Big Holy Shit co-star girlfriend. No co-star thrones guys you've even bigger. Who's the guy with the skinny lights guy? A lot of windows ollivier Richter's Netherlands. He's currently tallest buddy. Bill on Earth. Powerful Beer Yeah. At least huge all right next one is a man was caught camping and Disneyland or Disney World Discovery. He thought it was paradise. Look at his picture. Gutsy. There's other probably you know. Have you ever heard the Walt Disney Nazi ties? I have on record he he. He attended a lot of Nazi. Party's probably eating racist. Yeah all right. You guys have seen this by now right. 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Etan Thomas on His Open-Heart Surgery, Activism, Experience Playing With Michael Jordan and More (Ep. 166)

The HoopsHype Podcast With Alex Kennedy

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Etan Thomas on His Open-Heart Surgery, Activism, Experience Playing With Michael Jordan and More (Ep. 166)

"Welcome to hoops. podcast my name is Alex Kennedy joining me. Today's eleven year. NBA Veteran who's also had law successes. This is an activist author and broadcaster he currently Co host a radio show on ESPN Radio Syracuse. And he just published his fourth book we matter athletes and activism which includes interviews with Crew abdul-jabbar Bill Russell Oscar Robertson. Dwayne Wade and many others. My guest is Tom. Thomas Avant how are you doing pretty good how you doing. I'm great for people who may not know in two thousand seven. You had a routine physical during training. Camp and doctors discovered a leaking valve. So you had to get open heart surgery. What was that like aac being diagnosed with something so scary out of nowhere? Twenty nine years old well. It was an atom nowhere for me I. I was diagnosed with a leaky valve back in middle school. Was Something yes. Gas was something that I was watching Every every year of my life just certain things that I just had to do differently. Like for instance. When I went to the dentist I had to get anti-biotics for it or I could never take caffeine so I never got into coffee or automate Coca Cola stuff like that? There's just certain things I had to do differently but I didn't expect it to happen when when I was twenty nine years old. You expected it to happen. You know way later on down in my golden years. Something like that right So Yeah Nas. Plan the wizards You know starting center ended up the season as the starting center. Early going back and forth you know And you know everything was going good. I had a great summarize ready to jump into it and right before they were like up. Your numbers look a little off. We might need to double check this and the thing about it is. I felt great like it wasn't something something where you feel anything. You know what I mean like I was. I was feeling great all right now. Ready to go over. You Start Hooper. Now they're like. Nah but these numbers say something different so I had to go. Oh from one specialist to the other specialist went to Chicago Mayo. Clinic everywhere and they all said yeah is not worth the risk. Just you know we need to go ahead and do it now now. Now it's like ya'll killing me. You know I'm yes. It was literally like we were going to training camp that week. You know. He's so it was. It was tough. But Hey you know it can always been worse. So that's what I had to keep telling us. Oh I think that's kind of a Chris. Bosh went through whenever you know. He had his pulmonary. Embolism basically it. was I feel fine. It's in the past you know I don't WanNA lose a year of my prime. It's similar you know that. That's so frustrating. When you know obviously when your professional athlete the goal wants to get out in the court and help your team win so anything? That's GonNa you know. Put you on the sideline for a year when you're playing really well you're in your prime your starter that has to be extremely frustrating. What was it like for you not being able to play for that year and African Open Heart Surgery? That's I feel like the recovery for that is brutal. It's probably even tougher when you have to get back into NBA shape. What was that year your life for you? It's not like twisted me or something like that or ankle is a whole different level And you know the interesting part. Now is the way that they've developed medically they. Don't even have to do it the way they did it. When I had overheard Sir I'll have to go went through your chest? You know there's different ways they can go into the side and maybe you know through your growing which sounds very painful but there but they don't have to open your actual chest up. I was like I wish they had that when I was playing. Yeah that's just how advanced you know medically every single year here we become but it was. It was tough you know it was a long process and it was one of those things where I was so anxious to come back out but I just couldn't yet but I've got got a lot of support you know. I talked to Ron Torri APP. You know he reached out to me and he had the The the surgery before yeah. I spoke to Fred Hoiberg a lot. Ah you know. He reached out to the community of guys that have had open heart surgery and they were really encouraging me and everything like that and tell me what to expect expect in a it was. It was great so I knew kind of what to expect. Because there's a lot of things at the doctor's just didn't tell me you know what I mean like this because they don't know 'cause most of the people who had open heart surgery you know they're like I said in their twilight years they're gonNa go and sit down somewhere in. It's not like they're trying to get back on the on the court you know all sold everything was a little different but yeah I really thankful for all of those guys you know. I still talks to now and when Fred Hoiberg was the coach with goggles August. We'll go in there and he would come in and give a big hug and we'd just sit there and talk for a little while I like. Okay you gotta get back to your game right here but you know we just have a certain bond so it was it. It was great. Yeah that's very cool. Did it change your outlook on life at all. I know like you said you've been dealing with since you were a kid. You kind of prepared for it but when something like that happens in such a serious surgery I know you know. I'm not sure if if you had not gone surgery could you have passed away. I mean I know near death. Experiences can obviously change. People's Outlook did did your outlook on life. Change at all will definitely will again. It wasn't like I didn't know about it before so one thing. I was blessed to have known about it. There was a lot of different Situa- not and this the thing everybody's situation is different. So there's like by probably one hundred different things you can have your heart and right after it got into a little bit of a spat with the Washington Post reporter Ivan Carter who was misreporting on what I actually had like. Wait a minute this is lazy journalists and this is not even when I had. You can't compare eight to this person because we have two different bits and it was. You Know I. It's one of those things where you know. Yes mine was a simple fix. It was a valve replacement and then at least of Alvin I was good. But there's a lot of different like Fred Hoiberg different than mine. You know what I mean. Running is different from the mind. We we were all different and comparing it to like you know what. Hey gathers hat or reggie newest hat or something like that is just. It was lazy journalism so I got into a back and forth with him. You know and I started writing a little bit. I had nothing but time so I just wrote correction as a hit it like that. I corrected him so he wrote back to the you know what I mean and so this is all published in the Washington Post. But that kind. Oh you know Ralph me up a little bit because it's something that so many people don't know about they just here open heart surgery in lump everybody together but it does make you put you know back to the original question it does make you have a different outlook on life. As a whole I remember being in the hospital you know feeling Frustrated and mad that. I'm not playing stuff like that and the nurses said okay. Listen you know. I'm I'M GONNA take you down to children's Ward There's some some young people that would love. It's a kind of a meet you and I was like I don't feel like going down to swallow at my PD come on so they took me down there and I saw all of their faces races all of these young people you know and they were like Oh that's an NBA player. Who I was they? Just play me and they were like. Oh my gosh. NBA played a key scientists. And I'm taking pictures and everything like the inspiration to us and everything like that and you know those were kids who are far worse off than me like some of them were waiting on entire a new heart and they were in so and they were just filled with joy and instill afterwards I think the nurse like I thank you for doing that kind of kind of you know. Put put into perspective for me and like okay. Yeah you know I. I can't feel sorry for myself and these kids. Are you know what I mean with things way. Worse than I am and they're so happy yourself you you know courageous and everything like that and you see no fear and you know some of them. Have you know all kinds of different things leukemia. They have bald heads. They have tubes everywhere aware and I was just like wow you know it just it changes your perspective on everything you know it really makes you thankful so. That's something like that you know does for you know for sure. Are Those Wizards team that you were on those. Those teams are so much fun to watch. I remember you know Rina's Crown Butler Antawn Jamison. You know we had a crew. Yeah I love watching you you guys What what were some of the high points of that run? You guys had together if you guys had such good chemistry and everyone got along really well What was that? What were those seems like? I mean they were really great though. I mean we had. We had trouble getting past the broad and the Cleveland cast. You know what I mean so it always came down to that we played them for years in arose. Seemed like we had one one good year. We beat the young Kabul's I remember. They had a Tyson Chandler and eddy curry there. You know we beat them in the playoffs. Awesome and went on to play Miami Do Wade Zo Shack. And all of them But we had a great great years and people you know forget how talented Gilbert Arenas really was like. He was like a top player in the league. Like if you had to list the top players if you didn't include him in the top five he was definitely in the top ten. I mean was that level of player. I remember him going down and given Kobe the business and they had no answer for him to answer. Offer for humor neither was it was so my swear after the game. Kobe was kind of like well. If I got to shoot the ball every time you know I touched the ball. I could score like that too. WHO's like Kobe you do but but it was just one of those things where they were going back and forth and that was just the competitive nature but I mean he was is really good like he was really on a whole different level And you know we all stay connected. He just did a panel discussion at USC. With Dr Harry Edwards. And you know what I mean. It was fantastic and give it arenas. Iv Him to come on the panels. We're sitting there talking about capital and we're talking about athlete activism and everything like like that. He's he's you know he's a great guy. You know we just a lot of times. People are stuck now when you bring Gilbert Arenas his name. They're stuck on one incident that defines the person. And I always I mean ever since I'm like now. Gilbert is not that person he weighed he made one mistake but he is a good guy and I talk about some some of the conversations that we've had and I remember during the election. I mean he was sitting in my room and he was breaking breaking is like what is this electoral process. I don't understand standard. What is this now? We're talking about it. That doesn't make sense and I'm like yeah it doesn't make sense but that's that's what it is. Yeah so we're talking watching the election that we're we're talking about politics and different when you know when everybody's like wait. A minute given us was talking about politics. I was like yes only see one side of him. You know what I mean the side that he shows everybody but he he he is A. He's a deep head you know. He really isn't he's a banker. He's incredibly intelligent. He's incredibly passionate. He would do around. DC that he didn't ever like want anybody nobody to know about and you know the stuff that he would do for kids and everything like that. It was you know but I saw that so I would always say like Y'all saw agent zero but I I Endo Gilbert Arenas and they're two different people right absolutely being part of the wizards teams again. You guys were winning forty to forty five games each year. You guys are fun team and really talented. What was it like? Then when the team started struggling guys won nineteen games in the two thousand eight two thousand nine season you know being around that team whenever things started very kind of coming apart. What was that kind of like? What were the reasons for that? Will I left Ben. Two Thousand Eight two thousand nine season I was. I was gone by that so I I wasn't there for that part but you know after the incident everything kind of just went downhill. You know what I mean. It did and then they had the young guys that were coming in. They Kinda Lino turns handed over today on the day. Weren't ready yet at that time Yeah you know develop McGee you know anti-black Nick Young you know Dominic McGuire. They were just really young. Wow but You know as you see there you know Developed on a really good right now with the Lakers and they were good players it just it just wasn't working quite yet with them and you know. DC had grown accustomed to having a certain level of play and so going backwards to where it was kind of before. Eddie George Lord came you know. DC really wasn't too happy about going backwards so they started booing guys and you know the the whole atmospheric had changed. That was tough to see. But I knew it was gonna give back those these. These things are cyclical. So you know you down for a little while and you come backup but you know I I credit a lot to Eddie Jordan because Jordan. He did a lot To really revitalize the entire city and town because we didn't we in the playoffs before he came. Even when Michael Jordan came out of retirement. We didn't go to the playoffs but then when she goes Jordan came on when we started having our playoffs consistency so I credit him with that a lot. She mentioned Michael Jordan being in Washington. What was it like kind of being around for you? Know his wizard stint. I know a lot people look back on that and you you know. Compare him to his prime and things like that but he was still really impressive. What was it like for you being around that team when Jordan was back? Oh absolutely amazing. I mean you know it was like you know traveling with Michael Jackson or like the Beatles what I mean that's how it was. That's the only way I could compare it and you know after a while you know. It's interesting 'cause I just had jihadi white on our on our show on ESPN Syracuse. Because we were talking about the circus. Joyce how game as we were talking about playing what Michael Jordan and we both I said you know after a while. We kind of got used to him because he was just one of the guys after a while. You know what I mean I mean you just you so regular regular stuff but then we went out and we saw how people reacted to him then we was like okay. Yeah now this is Michael Jordan. You know what I mean like. We saw big crowds of people. We saw the people like touch his arm and faint. Look at him and just start crying. Like I remember one time we went out to eat. I think it was in. WAS WE IN CLEVELAND. I think it was in Cleveland and they had to shut down the whole restaurant and escorted through the back from the whole ball. It was like Oh. Yeah okay. Yeah Michael Jordan. So that's why I'm like. Why are they have to do all this? We just go out to eat. You know the name but it is just different. I mean they weren't going to do all that for me. And you know what I mean. Alexander Alexander and tyrod as we. You know what I'm saying but for Michael Jordan is totally different but it was. It was great goes amazing. I mean how many people can say they played with the greatest player player that ever played. You know what I mean. That's that's something that's incredible. I did interview with. Call Me Braun. not too long ago maybe a year ago and he was saying saying that there was so much misinformation out there about you know his stint with the wizards and his time with MJ. And you know he was like you know basically everything out. There isn't true he treated. That'd be well I don't know why this rumor story that he treated me so poorly. He's like yeah he was hard on me but it wasn't anything I couldn't take his whole thing was basically that everything on the Internet about him was false. He he said even his middle name was wrong on Google and wikipedia and he was just so frustrated I think that there was so much misinformation out there and he wanted to correct it when you were. There's obviously been a lot of stories and a lot of talk about MJ. And kwami based on what you saw from their interactions was it. Was it actually what people thought it was or was it kind of that. Misconception conception the person who I thought that was unfair to him with Doug Collins it wasn't even MCI. And so. I have my own issues. The Doug Collins. He Macau's was comfortable with older players. You know what I mean. And he was talking to other people around the league. The first thing I heard when I talk to somebody like Oh hang being in there with Doug Collins and this is the older players that have played for him. And that's who I pointed to. I mean quality doesn't have to say this and he's probably not going to say but I would say Doug Collins was terrible the quantity. I think that if he would've had a different type of a coach completely different type of Kwami Brown and and you know in in that draft I saw the actual workouts when they brought Tyson Chandler in and brought Eddy Curry and and all the top centers at the top big man that year in and it wasn't even close like Kwami Brown destroyed all of them. Like I saw my own two eyes before I even really knew a a lot about Tyson Chandler curry or some of the other guys. You know what I mean like. It wasn't or quality brown like it wasn't even close so he was the best player in the draft. A lot of people like to criticize you know Michael Jordan. Four peaking kwami Brown I was like he was the best player. You mean it just. It just didn't work out the way it did with Tyson Chandler who still play which is really even amazing that he's still playing. You know but I mean that's just a testament to you. Know House worked out for him and his work ethic nothing against jailer. Avalon respect for him and Eddy. Akari you know what I mean But we're quantity brown stint in and with the wizards. I mean you know yeah. MJ was tough on him but he was tough on everybody you know. MJ was competitive. Everybody knows MJ's competitive nature. He wants to win. Every single game. you know. So when he came in when Papa Joe's came and Charles Oakley and all the veterans guys. He was tough on them too. You know what I mean so I didn't I didn't point that towards MJ. At all. But I did pointed to WHO Doug Collins and I have no problem saying that the I think it's a quality fields as well that makes sense You've had so much success away from basketball you mentioned your activism and you've written four books you're great and broadcasting like a lot of people. Have you know a a tough time. Making that transition from playing to retirement. Where vice would you give a player? That's approaching retirement. And you know if they WANNA be able to have post. Mba Success like you've been able to do well. I would say that I just have to start planning planning early and start finding another passion early and of course you're GonNa have your your different business adventures in your investments and things things that nature. But that's not going to be passing. You know what I mean. You're not going to get that excited over your portfolio that is up certain percentages. This that's not going to excite right you that way you know what I mean. There's good don't get me wrong but that's not what you're gonNA that's not gonna be your pass so you gotta find something else that you're passionate about and for me you know I was passing Asan about writing and speaking and poetry and spoken word and all that stuff Since I was in high school so I've always been passionate about it. You know and you know oh it's an activism and you know speaking on different topics and using her position your lap once. Those are the athletes that I grew up admiring. You know a group admiring Muhammad Ali's cradle to go to bars Bill Russell and you know Craig Hodges in Luda Duar roof all those athletes that took a stand on something so everybody that knows me from Tulsa Oklahoma. You know from back in middle school. You know they'll tell you allow he's kind of been like that. You know since middle school was just doing it on a bigger platform now So so that would be. My advice is to find something that you're passionate about. But now it's a blessing to be able to. You know I'm writing. Now for the The Guardian undefeated and you know I'm doing my day with ESPN Syracuse. And I'm able to talk on topics that I wanNA talk about. I mean like you know we're we're we don't have to stick in one lane you know. I couldn't just talk about just all sports all the time I just couldn't that's not me. I have to be able to talk on more bet and you know I'm blessed to have that platform to be able to do it right. I feel like you know if someone was living living Udal sports. They'd be doing a disservice to you because you can speak about so many issues eloquently in your amazing when it comes to breaking these things down down so I'm glad you're not a position like that where you can't talk about everything you want to thank you so let's talk about your activism because I read that in high school. Police officers detained you and humiliated. You and you wrote a speech about at one year speech teachers you know basically said this words right speech about it and then that was kind of the point where you started thinking about activism and you know kind of thinking if you've ever had a platform you want to use it for that can you share what that experience was like and what actually Capping Oh you did your homework on the. Yeah Yeah I did. I was in speech. Debate at High School Burger to Washington Tulsa Oklahoma and and I did have an incident with the police in Los Short. The police stopped me on the way to a game. It was like a big rival game. And you know the big intersection. Which is the main section in Tulsa Imperia and you know they back back then whenever they were stopped you know young black males in always have a get out of the car on the ground that was just like a trend for a little while you know like New York Arcus stop and Frisk you know everybody? Every place had their own type of thing won't also have you get out of the car and sit on the ground And and so oh I was there. Detained for about forty minutes while they were running my plates. You know hear them saying that looks familiar. You must be from Mugshot. They see me somewhere or something like that but after forty minutes they discovered that it was actually from. You know be playing basketball. Why that's why I look familiar because I've been in papers and stuff like that and they just all let me go and then they all? Yeah so I got I got to my game all late. I was pissed. You know what I mean like. I was sold thous humiliated. Everything like that. So the next day I'm ranting to does look girl that was sitting next to me sitting next to a speech class of my speech teacher Mr Blan- heard me and he told me to the side and said hey put all all of that into a speech and I was like Nah. I'm not trying to hear no speech right now. You WanNa come to school today. You know like everything that you're saying right now you put that in your speech that'll be your original artery and people will hear it and you know and I did it and it just kind of started winning a lot all over you know Oklahoma. Oh you know took the speech to Harvard too late. Everything like that. And the The newspapers wrote about it. And everything like that. And that's where I really gyles like will only. Here's why they're really paying attention like this because I play basketball and that was like the light bulb like the Aha moment. You know what I mean. I could do something with this you know. And and then a lot of people around Tulsa young black men in particular Donna coming up to me and saying hey thanks for speaking out for us. You know what I mean because we could say we yellowfin amount on Thompson. They're not going to hear from us but they'll hear from you. So you know that part of it I mean I even got a letter for the Tulsa Police Department saying that they were GonNa do internal investigation on the the incident. Why I mean I don't I don't know what came of that but to a sixteen year old you know for the police to actually even acknowledge it? That was that was that was big so so that was the that was the light bulb moment. I just kept on doing the activism. That point yeah. That's incredible I mean to see a kind of spread like that and realize. Oh Wow. I'm making the difference. That makes a Lotta sense you know. I don't think anyone could go through experience and not want to become an activist. That's very You you're in your new book. We matter athletes and activism you interviewed fifty people including athletes. I mentioned Kareem Bill Russell Oscar Robertson. dwayne Wade Carelli. Eric read you also talk to journalists family members. There's of unarmed black men who were shot and killed for those who haven't read the book. What are some topics that you discuss these interviews and you know what's the message that you're getting across in the book? I mean there are so so many that I wanted to touch on You Know I. I wanted to encourage younger athletes to be able to continue using their voices. Like right. Now you see a wave of activism activism happening. It's like a throwback time to the sixties and all these athletes who are who are speaking out in using their social media and seeking all different things and of course it comes from the top you know. Oh you have like somebody like Lebron. Who was doing that? And he's like the top athlete than everybody becomes inspired from him. And I think that it's fantastic like it's great to see And I just really really wanted to keep encouraging young athletes to do that so I wanted to first of all to destroy the myth especially with young. NBA players that taking that they'll be risking their careers if they speak out because a lot of times. That's what their agents tell them. That's the common misconception and everything like that so I interviewed Adam silver you know and I said listen. Would you ever punish somebody for speaking their mind. Or you know speaking out on a topic that you even disagree with you anybody. Can you know applaud. Somebody with a topic. They agree with all the topic that you disagree with and he talked about his of his appreciation for activism. Talked about the history with Bill Russell. Kareem like it was great so I also interviewed mark. Cuban you know Zeo from from the The Mavericks in Ted Leonsis for the Wizards Steve Kerr so I wanted to get the people in positions of power the tooth and ask them the same kind of questions about how they view activists kind of try. Isla Juneau's Watson missed where that young athletes have to be afraid to speak out on things that was like a big point that I wanted to make then also. I wanted to talk to the family members of the family of the victims of police brutality and have them speak about how important it meant and what it meant to them for. We're athletes to speak out on their behalf. So I spoke to like Trayvon Martin's brother and Eric Garner's daughter and terrence crutcher sister and flannel Castillo. Still sister you know what I mean to really get their opinions and you know they talked about You know all the athletes like there's this glowing no secret here straight from them what it meant to them to see. All the way and I can't reach hurts the owners some people say all. There's nothing serious about wearing a tee shirt Nile. Listen to Eric Garner's daughter talk about what it man was. You saw them wearing it sold so I wanted to get that perspective and then you know for another another aspect you talked about was the adding the talk with if you know in every time and this is this is probably the topic that was most you know that most grabbed a lot of mainstream America and it was the fact. Act that whenever these incidents happen how it affects their favorite athletes. So don't Dwayne Wade talking about how he looked at his children children and how. He's afraid for his sons. After trayvon Martin was killed and how he then had to have the talk with his sons. Do you know what I mean. And I had the the old Michael Bennett saying the same thing you know. Eric Reed saying you know the same thing and everything like that. And that's the one thing where a lot of people make you. America think that athletes are in this like protective bubble and it doesn't affect them. But now I mean and I say all the time with some alcohol you know he put a. I put a Hoodie on his hand. He looks just like you know what automated our sons are big like our sons are not you know where where tall so our sons. Don't look their age Ryan. They have like eight year old seven year old son but if if you see him on the street and think that he's thirteen you know what I mean or or is eleven to twelve. you think he's like seventeen or a grown man so we have to have a certain talk with him so and this is the talk that all black people have to have with our children every time that we send them into the world. You know what I mean or anything of these things happen but hearing it from atheletes hearing Russell Westbrook broke talk about it. Hearing you know what I mean all come talk about it. It resonates differently with mainstream America. So that's the part where as I'm going to speak in different different universities and colleges those parts that people keep asking me about because they're like wow I never thought that Russell Westbrook with ink be thinking about this about his young babies. You know what I mean. When when they go into the world or the dwayne weight is because they see the videos of them dunk in and everything like that and he's like Nah I I fear for my son's life so you know there's there's a lot of a lot of things I wanted to cover with the book but it the the reception of it has been very well so I'm gonNA keep on speaking within different universities and colleges around the country and you know keep keeping movement going? Yeah that's incredible. We'll put a link for the description to anyone that wants to buy the book. While have Lincoln a description and be sure to check it out like I said fifty fifty fifty people interviewed for not only athletes journalists. TV personalities families of victims. I mean this is incredible piece of work I want to ask to you. Know you mentioned Lebron on James. I think it's great to Lebron uses platform to effect change. Not only does that help. Put a spotlight on certain things today. But I've talked to young players that kind of points Lebron and say I want to do what he's doing in terms of Nali activism but also on the business side of basketball and having you know equity in companies and I think a lot of kids not only young players a kid growing up today. Look Lebron okay. That's the goal and activism. Part of that. Do you feel like we'll see a wave of future Players that want to. I have a similar kind of impact or think I think you look at Michael Jordan and obviously there's a quote or you know the Republicans buy sneakers to that. That was a big thing. Everyone talked about I think some people thought okay. They're scared to be activists or they don't want to rock the boat. But I think a lot of people growing up and seeing Lebron James doing it may have a different take when they're older do you think he'll create a future wave of Activists as well there is no doubt in my mind and you know people are saying what he's doing. I mean you know Brown's got on a team one day. There's no go anybody's mind that that's the direction that he's going to be going into Venice's play I mean he's he's he's blazing a trail with on so many different avenues. He's showing that number one. You don't have to fear that if you do speak out it'll mess up your money money which is basically what the thought is out there. You know what I mean. Mess up your endorsements alone of your business deals and everything like that. And he's showing that no that's not it at all. He's I hope he's He's speaking of every way possible is yellow. But it's obviously not affecting his endorsement deals because they start to realize that he's the one who who can dictate you know what I mean within which endorsements he wants to take the opposite. You'll let her name so so then you have other athletes who are using their platforms the the same way but you know when you have the top athlete doing it. It it you know it reverberates through everyone. And that's where you have an entire movement it so you know and and talking about capital and what he symbolizes for young people in. Yeah you know. And and of course the the business side of the broad is dead people lebrons zone auto microscope right now. So young people are watching one of the things that I that I did. I interview John Wall On on in my book and he talked talked about specifically seeing Lebron James and Dwayne Wade and Camello Anthony and Chris Paul when they spoke at in front of the espy's yeah and they there is. He talked about seeing that and he talked about being inspired now he John Wall is John Wall you automate so so and it just shows how that athletes beets are inspired by other athletes. And that's and that's what I really wanted to do with. The book was to show these athletes speaking so passionately about these different topics. Thanks and have younger. Athletes Look at them and be inspired the same way that John Wall was inspired by saying them at the ethics and so that that also trickles down to the the business side. So what what he's doing with a rich Paul. You know our laws like a super and now in creating an entire you'll oh and being business a business sense and knowing you know you know how to carve out your own niche and not the back in the day where you just Kinda have your your your homeboys that you grew up with and you just take care of them like like MC Hammer or something like that and then the money goes away and then they not that way but now you're going to empower them now now you're GonNa put them in front of businesses you're GonNa you're gonNA educate them and you know they're going to become agents and they're going to run this business and they're going to be able to do. I mean everything that Lebron James is doing right now is setting like You know like breadcrumbs for athletes to follow. Yeah you're definitely going to see a wave going to see a wave on the the activism of side wave of business you're going to see You know taking control their destinies as far as agents. I mean everything. The school that he can just go to the entire list. They're going to be influenced. Yeah that's great to see. I think a lot of parents can point to Lebron to and say you know. Look what. He's doing this this this you know. I read that your mother other talk to you about you know activists such as Karim Mohammed Ali Bill Russell. Jim Brown. How much did that impact you hearing about? These you know superstars who also turned activism and wanted to make a difference. Did that affect you. Similar to the way it could affect kids in the future when they hear from their parents about Lebron and Colin Kaepernick. And Eric Reed. Oh Oh definitely I mean. That's what those athletes that I aspire to become what I started reading about because my mother gave me gave me books on on all of them and I started just reading emails like Oh. Wow that is great. I started reading. How Muhammad Ali stood up in the whole country? Attorney gets them but then he stood up anyway he stood stood to his principles. And you know it it was just I just respected them so much for that. And how Bill Russell you know. They didn't want to let him. You know he was down in Kentucky playing playing a game presuming game or whatever they didn't want to let it will segregate it okay. All the black players can't so that whole story notable players can't come in but all the white person come in and he was like what are you going to do that. We're not GONNA play here and everybody ready get back on the plane like I was just like wow that is. Don't you feel like that. That whole they it was just really so impressive to me and I gained so much respect for them so then being being able to learn about them and then be able to actually interview them for. My book was such an honor. I grew up with John. Carlos picture all all my wall of them doing the black power salute at the nineteen sixty eight Olympics and now me and him like whole life cycle right. It's just like amazing like Mohammed Ali's daughter Layla. Elliot interview her for the book. Bill Russell in Green. And you know what I do. I Root I was reading about him in high school. And how you know. But the whole you know that that at level of of influence and and that is exactly what you're gonNA see as a younger generation and you're saying it now as high schools are taking a knee you know what I mean. How different people young young young high schools middle schools? An ice cream and black players ain't white players. They're talking about the not. Just take the knee like we're we're just following what we see happening do but now they're verbalizing to the local newspapers. Why they're taking me say like cheerleaders and like band members and all these different people like look like with different? And you're saying young activists kind of like sprout. I mean it was so interesting seeing This is one of the Can I forget her name right now. I'll young high school athlete. But she wanted award and she dedicated to to Colin Kaepernick make. And then you saw mega will do the same thing over and over again as C. One different accolades and stuff like that as well. Yeah inspired by Colin Kaepernick and this layer of Pinos. The the woman athlete of the year like she was like no I saw Cotopaxi and I was like yes. What you're thinking every I was like? Wow that's that just shows use the power of the athlete voice so when you have different people you know saying shut up and dribble staying lane you know what I mean. Just play your sport. You know what I mean. We don't want to hear about that and they're like now. They're walking in a rich tradition. You know of athletes who didn't do that and that's why people remember their name. You you know what I mean. That's why people are inspired by. Yeah so you're going to see so many people in this is interesting because you're gonNA save people like decades from now. You're gonNA hear the conversation around capper. Nick be completely different. You know what I mean like how you see the compensation around Mohammed Ali is different. Now you know what what I mean and you talk about people who is around there at that time there like make sure America did not revere. Muhammad Ali back in his heyday at all. He was public getting number. What you know what I mean but now decades later now you see the you know the statutes up and the museum and everything like that? But you're going to see caffeinate in that same kind of elk decades later. Almost I would agree. I mean I feel like the way that his message. And what his kneeling Matt and everything. The way that got misconstrued dude was wild. It seems crazy me that there's people that have taken it and you know they ran with it and so many different directions and misconstrued it. I think you know hopefully in the future if you look back. It's much clearer. What he was trying to do and what he accomplished? Because it's crazy the way it's kind of been Mixed up So I agree with you. There were two more things in your book more than an athlete. You wrote about how your wife was. Also an athlete got injured while she was in college the NC double a. fought to take away your scholarship. which sort of you know porter out of school? She would have funding to go to college and get a degree worse when you look at the NC Double A.. And obviously everyone talks about you know players getting paid. You have some Ridiculous suspensions like the gyms Wiseman suspension this year that I think everyone pretty much agrees is kind of bs when you if you were in charge of the NCWA. What are some things is that you would change to make it a better system? Oh my gosh. I don't even know where to start but I mean first of all I definitely you know. Pay The athletes I would. I would develop a plan that that they would be paid There's a lot of different ways you can do it. I know a lot of the the fear is that you don't WanNa have athletes making all of this somebody while they're in college. Okay fine on that one but you could do it you could also create something where they receive it after they finish college. You know what I mean and you can create the system where it goes into like a fund and you know as they accumulates you know it just keeps going to that funding after. They're finished then they they're able to be able to to get that money. I think that's number one that would be able to. That would have a lot more athletes not leaving before they were ready to you and I think that would just this cut down on the level the amount of exploitation because this is the thing with sports sixty years ago a good deal. You know what I mean you go there. Did you play you get a scholarship. Good deal but now when you're looking at the numbers and anybody is taking an economics class. You know what I mean. Even entry level economics you can look at the numbers. Let's say wait a minute. You can't go by the same system that you did sixty years ago when these deals with that and play rhyming from the TV deals to the just the team deals alone. You mean by themselves. I mean some of the deals that are the TV deals. Have I mean they're they're rival almost NBA. You know professional deals They're making a lot of money. It's a billion dollar industry mystery. And then they don't even include in that billion dollars though the merchandise of the particular schools then leave. Include that in that number you automate and salt. So when you're making that level of money you cannot tell me that. Scholarship is equal pay. Or that's fine that's sufficient for the players. Know your this is like if you go into a to a underdeveloped country and you set up south. They're a company. And you give the people pennies while you make millions and say okay. Yeah if you give the people if you hire workers then you give them pennies okay. They're better off because they wouldn't have those pennies if you didn't give it to them but you can't act like you're not exploiting them and I think that's that's is doing come on now you as a billion industry everybody's getting paid but the athletes you know every single person has anything to do with the athletic department in every school is getting paid. You know what I mean so tell me can you. Can't there's no money. How are we going to divvy it up? What about the big? y'All y'all figuring out with no coaches working for free. You know what I mean. No video equipment people no complaint and all the different people that are on payroll and universities are none of them are working for free so you figure it out but now with the apple is possible to figure route you know so number one there would be that but the way they don't change something I think they're going to be obsolete decade. Yeah you I don't know but see with with you have overseas. You have guys that. Just like Darius basically supposed to come to Syracuse. He's supposed surges university and the whole season would have been completely different if he did come but he didn't go. He just worked out Actually he side with Lebron's agent average fall and they just worked out for the whole year until he was eligible to the NBA. And then he he was the first round pick. I mean you're going to see young players. Watch that and see and take notz and then you have people you know you know you'll starting with. I'm actually a part of on. The athletic adviser bore the ACL. Well so you're you're the which is the historic basketball league. So you're going to have different options than the S. I think the the fact that they acquiesce to the SP tool sakes. I think that was big because that and all that is is now that at least can can can benefit off their lightness and get endorsements Ryan. I think that's huge. And as he. It's huge but it's not because they wanted to. They only did it because they had no choice. You know when California passed it and you know then only the California schools would have had added then that would have given them a competitive advantage while the other school so that's the only reason why acquiesced and or they wouldn't have wanted to do it at all because they want to keep all the money to themselves. Yeah it's crazy. They're just greedy less. All they're greedy. I completely agree. I WanNa end on this note. I know in two thousand eight. You took part in the the Democratic National Committee's Register for Change Bus tour alongside Howard Dean to encourage local voter registration drives. You gave two speeches inches I want to ask. Do you think you'll ever get into politics. I mean I I could see you being a great politician Do you think that's ever WanNa do or do you WanNa just Kinda volunteer your time and let other people be politician What would you ever WANNA become? Bothers her now well so I was a surrogate for president. Obama Both elections. You know I've done work with the NC doing work with them again this year And I I enjoy being a politician. We honestly say that. I'll is house down here with the wizards I saddled politicians and I saw how it works and I was like man it it. It's like the movie house of Cards. Almost it's like you know what I mean. There's just so much more involved and I like yeah. I could do this but I do have. I've always had interest in politics and talking about politics and and you know encouraging and speeches and things like that so I think that's more of my you know what I made area but yeah I don't think you'll see me running for office. I'll just carry. I would do a great job but I don't blame him for not wanting to get into that world. It's Kinda crazy involved. Oh Oh it's such a dirty business like there's so much you can do the whole show just on that career. What yeah? It's it's so much off you'll do you'll still make an impact lending your time in volunteering. But you don't have to dive. I've all the way into the mud. You don't have to worry about that. That's horrible right right right. Well thank you so much for doing this. I really appreciate it Everyone make sure you guys go. Check out Autonomous on twitter at a Thomas. Thirty six checkout his four books including his most recent one we matter athletes and activism. That link is going to be in our description so check it out. Thank you so much for your time man. I really appreciate you doing this then slept for having me you know what I mean. It was fun so a you. You covered a lot this this episode. So hey I appreciate order. Definitely man thanks for your time. Do it again sometime. If you guys won't listen more episodes website podcast. Check us out on apple podcast. spotify stitcher anywhere. PODCAST are found and until next time. Thanks for listening.

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Collect a podcast are Brian six times NBA champion hall of Famer, Mr. Scottie Pippen, it's Friday. No, one should get fired on a Friday night. Even Don Nelson. Coming up. We're gonna talk about if you are confident in the Lakers playoff chances or more. So after last night, maybe maybe not we'll see I though so the -cations are supposed to make you mellow. You know, we'll beach time maybe a beer to come back to work, all refreshed and chill. That's should. Especially be true in the NBA since the all-star break was extended and half the league's Instagram feeds of looked like a travel guide to the Caribbean. And yet when we finally got back to basketball last night was everybody relaxed easygoing. No, they most certainly were not perhaps we should have known. It was going to be one of those kinds of nights. When Marcus Morris charged into the crowd to save a loose ball and ended up getting beer poured all over his head, please listen to Kevin Harlan on the call here because you should always listen to Kevin Harlan. Under nineteen percent shooting in. There was a throwaway along sooner the crowd spilled the beer and will they cross the line day to Moore's his dripping with stalled. Stole some slicks. Maybe who knows is just so Khun beer in the points in the guys here. Up in Oakland. We had the kings getting feisty with the warriors and Kevin Durant was clearly in no mood. He was credited with five blocks Marvin Bagley in the first half alone. Now, some of these look more like steals, but still defense Bagley. Still had a nice night though. And later even got K D with this little rip move to draw. The foul Durant was asked about it. After the game. Kind of go to that. I think he blocked him or stole from five times in the first half. But he got you with the rip through move. What did you like about that kind of back and forth with him that wasn't it back and forth? Five blocks to remove. Def Pen's Chris Montano tweeting, quote, Kevin Durant. Letting everyone know the matchup between him are Magli wasn't close which led Bagley to jump in saying like that broke. Katie you go I'm coming and then you'll angry face emojis. Right. Oh. And in that game. We also have buddy keeled making a big three down the stretch, which you would think would make coach Dave Eger happy. But it it clearly did not the two had words than healed his another three then Iden gets into it with Yeager. It looks like he's mouthing. Don't doubt me finally in the games closing seconds. He'll has a chance at the deep game winner. But he passes it up which led the F. Let's Marcus Thompson to tweet interesting choice, which led Damian Lillard who was all the way across the country after game in Brooklyn tweaks, maybe his coach didn't yell at him for making the same shot. He would have shot the f again guys, you were all just unveil -cation palm trees. White-sand anyone how in Los Angeles. I mean, it's LA everyone should at least be chill here. Except Lakers rockets is not been a chill matchup lately. And last night things got interesting after Houston began coughing up a nineteen point lead. There was this liberty dunk from LeBron to bring the Lakers to within three with about five minutes to play mercy with about I don't know minute. Twenty four left James harden and fouled out of the game. And then with thirty three seconds left. Chris Paul and like dantonio got called for technicals. Eventually Chris Paul would fell out as well. The rockets will go on to lose the game and in the locker room afterward would have plenty to say about the nights lead. Official Scott foster. Here's C P who has a long embed history with foster. I mean, I I I don't know what else to do. I mean, then met with the league winning before August. I I don't know what to do. I just don't know what else to do hardened back. Chris up saying for sure it's personal for sure. Adding, quote, I don't think foster should be able to even officiate are games anymore. Oh, and there was more take listen to James. I never really talk about a fish in anything like that. But just just rude in an era Ghent, I mean, you are able to talk to them throughout the course of a game. And it's like how do you do that relationship with officials? It's one of those things where you can't Bush pay Cam conversation with someone us officiating the game. And you know, you're getting your take this. It's pretty sad. I was there last night one Houston official did note to me that in the game's final twenty minutes. The Lakers took seventeen free throws while the rockets took zero, but in fairness, he also noted the rockets self-destructed a lot in the second half as well all told this did not look like a rested or refresh team one night back and the NBA is already waste by Bisi. Maybe next year. I don't know the all star break needs to be two weeks long. Instead Scotty, what do you think you heard all? That's right. Do you think the rockets hurt themselves with their criticism of Scott foster after last night's game? Any time you criticize official than you criticizing all of the officials because they all stick together, and they bond, and that's right there. They worked together as a team. So I don't think it helps them especially fourteen trying to win a championship to me. The Houston Rockets are not playing good basketball. They're five and five in their last ten games. So is really in house. They're finally healthy. They got all their players back. But they have to get their chemistry. Back is not about is bringing their players back in things are going to work. They have get cappella Capello back into mix. But also C P three. He has the sheriff's only his Dame. It's been doing a tremendous job offensively in carrying them. But that's gonna soom come to you. And as we've seen last night, the LA Lakers can't block you from the sky. They will block the lane in LeBron James got those guys to buy in the shutting down last night. And that's what calls problem for Houston. And James was struggling from three point range. So he they knew he was going to drive, but let's listen for the sympathy in the NBA for the rockets not getting calls. I don't hear the thing about. Here's the thing goes with James said he's going to get fined for this. Yes. Scott foster is whether you agree or not Houston, one of the top five ranked officials in the league, he will not only be officiating. More rockets games. He will be officiating games all the way into the finals. And maybe even multiple games in the finals, and it's really incumbent on the rockets not to have a little meltdown every morning when they see the referee assignments and see skied is there am there were calls over questionable last night that replay that we just showed. We're coups McCain under harden that's a questionable offensive foul where they're Austin rivers. Got hold into the stands at one point. Didn't get a call. They should have gotten free throws. They also could not by a three pointer many many times hard and went into the lane executed a pass and they missed late. They got they went through a fourteen minute period where they scored eleven points the Lakers that that's a questionable play. But the Lakers did really well on defense and most of those offense of house on hardware. Offensive thousand kidding, the one we got out. The game. So I understand you're upset with foster they may even have points. But they as Scotty said they've got to move past it and the statistics, you can kind of it depends on where do you start from that sort of thing if you look at just last night in just the last twenty minutes, you heard me say Lakers went to the free throw line seventeen times the racket zero right? So that looks whoa. That's an imbalance. Well, if you make it out toward the whole game that imbalances a little bit different. If you bring it out toward the season. I saw someone brought him out to the last two seasons. The last two seasons. Scott foster has officiated the rackets games, the rackets or six and six their numbers are almost identical on each side of the ledger. So it just depends on how you bring something. Refereing? You know, I've seen hard to take advantage of guys on defense banging into one of officials have given him those calls, and that's the credit to Scott fall. So being a veteran official and knowing how would call the game. We'll say it's about Scott. He is a guy who does not care about the fans does not get intimidated actually, historically visiting teams perform better the Scott. There was once a streak about three years ago. Why I think with sixteen consecutive visiting team's one when he was the official. So in that the rocket should have been happy to see him because they would visiting team last night. And you're right about it. Maybe being in their head. I mean, Chris Paul I think it was last year ahead the line saying, oh, Scott foster. You know, that's the guy the fans pay to see. So there's there's a lot going on. And let's not forget Houston's defense has become more and more of a factor to the point that Scotty said there's a lot in their own house that they gotta get working on as the Lakers side of the equation. They overcame a nineteen point deficit. Woo. Lebron is twenty nine points, eleven rebounds in the win. Here is an updated look at the standings. All right. Every time we show this. We're going to a little bit of that strength is scheduled to because it's going to shift rate as the schedule shifts, but they still have the fourth harder schedule in the league that group looking at seven. You want seven you want to to that Golden State zone. Are you? They took down a hard tough team last night. Brian are you more confident in their playoff chances after last night's game than you were before tip off? We see the LeBron that we saw in the second half of the next two months. I like, I think anything's possible for them. If we see the LeBron we saw in the first half, which looked a lot like the LeBron right before the break not. So sure that the other day the Lakers, they don't shoot well enough. They don't defend while those mean they can't have a hot shooting night or they have a good great defense in the fourth quarter last night. But they really really rely on the Brown to be great. When the Braun is great. And I'm we'd be betting on the Brown being great. The anything is possible. When I think he knows it. He has to be great the residencies not gonna make the playoffs. But is is that time for him. He's never had to push all the way forward in right now. He's having to that. And you know, he's got some young exciting players that he believes that he can win with. And I believe he can win with them. I mean, we've seen the LeBron bring up players in bringing their confidence in the playoffs. I believe that he will make these players rise to the case in. I I don't think he cares. We plays in the playoffs the burden just sorta the toll it takes on you. We now look at basically his you know, he didn't have Kyrie Irving last season. Right. This season. He's not playing with another all star when you're the star player. And there aren't even there's another elite player there's not even on the all star on your team. And you you have to Brian says be great every single night. Now, two seasons going. What is that? Like, you know, what I can't speak to that. Because I wasn't in my sixteenth season. Having to be the best player on my team. Lebron James is going through. And I don't think any player in the history of the game has had to be the man up to sixteen seasons in the league. But he's such a superior athlete incredible shape off still the best player in the game. So I don't really know what it's like. But I I know when I was in the prime on my career around thirty three that I thought I was the best that I ever was now was after I left tocado after two back surgeries. But I played with a group of guys that were better than being. So I'm not in LeBron situation. But I think that the challenge is that something he's ready to embrace coming up. We're gonna talk about the Celtics. They felt they were found more than once on the final play of their one point loss to the bucks last night. Do they have a point? But first, here's our first the replay on this date nine hundred ninety nine Kobe Bryant. Sure. Our though to see Kobe plant in this L right now said the other day he could still play. He said he could walk on the Cornell surprise. He thinks he can still play. Is brought to you by go. Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Make a mislead. It's a maker miss league. It's a make on mislead. Make dough miss some maker MS league. This is but goods some good blacks last night. Very, katie. Okay. This yawn is one of the year. I mean, this is insane. Jake Lehman here too. Jake layman's having a season this one though, right? And it we got a whistle, right? Looks good. Let even hands part of the ball, like totally clean. Right. Oh, man. Yeah. This is. Yeah. And. Right there you go. That was that was guest you make nook and Turk, which I think is like our next buddy comedy cop buddies. Eric cantor who was planning first game for Portland, Merrick and Turk yet it combined for forty five and twenty one on eighteen to twenty four shooting. We'll bully ball. Right. Like that. From these guys. It's not gonna work every game. You got going to you don't need Kanter every game. But win they're going like this. It's a nice little change up. They can throw. It's no surprise that. He had something to say afterward. He tweeted after being in the next you said, so this is what it feels like to win. There you go. This the perimeter staff dunk alert look at this nice little to handle, and he is very impressed with himself watch. What he does afterwards. The first of all the dunk. And then look he's like oh. Let little scream action. Right. If you're in the half court offense to, you know, not even hopes. I forgot about that. Right. Remember, the slip? Yeah. We don't want to do and. Oh, yeah. No, okay. Well, he had a good one in the all star game. So what do you think the over under for Steph dunks the rest of the year if it's one and a half or you over under? I I forgot about that slip. But just tell him everything. He should to put that in there. I would different. I'm all for the sixth grade art history. Right prince may youth. Stay check out the rebound. My Marvin Bagley out everyone in the gym. He had one of four that was one of his fourteen rebounds off the bench. It'd be impressed with this kid, right? Scotty. Is it time for award this time from start? Definitely type since he came back from his injury, which I think was like December January. He's been awesome. Do we know? By the way, the bunny hill Dave Yeager, arguing well, we'll get to that. This book is all right. We'll get to that. We'll get to that. Right back. President Bodmer back in the lab would be most athletic rebounds of all time. And he'd promised the oh, man. We would be impressed thousand eighteen Donovan Mitchell versus the Hornets. I think pods new this is a potentially controversial top three of all time. And he did put a second. Instead of I. Let's take a look. I wouldn't have thought he was on the list. Hey, hey, he be nice. It's warm. President. When you do that when you are six foot as a foot I ever saying this is number one tomorrow moon, two thousand seven versus I. Tomorrow could get up. Tall six seven. He's with Alan shocker. I can't even read the top shelf of my kitchen. Mike to go up and get that very impressive for a I I'm just saying I'm just saying let's get to the end of the Celtics bucks game which left Boston fans upset off locker room upset Marcus Morris was upset because he thought he was held by Chris Middleton before that inbound, Kyrie Irving also felt there was contact on him as he drove to the rim. Morris didn't even talk after this game. He respectfully declined interviews because he didn't wanna get fined. And here's what kinda reset though, take a listen. I try to set a big Goose Green on move. I don't know if you've got fat or not I don't know what happened, and then I had three point five trying to make the best way. I. I love my money. Yeah. All right. So first of all shoutout to kyri because he was wearing a New York Times. The truth is important t shirts though. New York Boston seat. You can't come. You cannot focus on the New York part. You've got to focus on the truth in journalism here there you go. Tough crowd talking about the foul though. Do you think that should have been called on the final play a final flake, by the way that those guys just revealed you're down by one you gotta get a bucket. The fun play was apparently called for Morris and Kyrie was supposed to be screening. But anyway, do you think Sal should be called on this play? For the foul, but kyri possibly there was a tripping now because he never really got his his left leg through any kind of threw it out. But you know, it's it's tough call for the fficials at at the end of the game on their. They're looking more at the shot instead of down low. That hand on his. Was committed so mold that and John is kinda got out of the way. If you look at it. So, you know. Official coaches get criticized for drawing up isolation plays at the end of games. And one of the reasons is because the officials are just not going to give fouls in the situation. You know, you could also argue that Kyrie may of throw throw in his hip a little bit on that planet. If you're gonna go frame by frame and argue that and that's at the end kyri dizzy, get nailed by both Yana, San blood soap. Yeah. Please kind of out of control to me why take away from this game. Was I thought that the bucks really struggled down the stretch offensively. The bucks got really lucky to win this game. Chris Middleton hit a big three. Yes. And that's what really puts them over the top. But walking away from this game. I'd be more worried as the bucks offense because the bucks had control this game and lost it because they couldn't execute half court offense. Which is what their big achilles heel is. So I know Boston felt bad about it. But I actually felt lost trying to take away some considering Gordon Hayward didn't play take away. All hail Alford. Right, right. You've got him playing. So well against Philadelphia was great. You've got him playing. So well in this game against the books on telling you man when these Eastern Conference matchups come on. And we get to the second round, which we all expect to be some combination of Toronto Milwaukee, Boston Philadelphia. No offence to anyone else out there. I think I'll Horford is a name no matter who that matchup is you're going to hear a lot of you're so right. That Horford was sensational last night. So all right coming up. The pelicans will continue to play Anthony Davis on reduce minutes. Is this a compromise? Does it work? We will discuss. I though here's our distant replay number two. This is from this date in two thousand and five. We'll shut out Tony Allen here. Take a look at this guys. Wow. I didn't know you. Was it? For like is insensitive. I would never mess with that. In. Let's consider the secret life of the innermost nesting doll living most of her life in the dock inside the other nesting dolls. He has plenty of time to think if we could sadly, she has no brain, however, when an in a most nesting dole, his gyco not only saves people money, but also has been providing great service for over seventy five years. She thinks it's obvious. You should switch because. Yes. Switching to Geico is a no brainer pity in a most nesting Dollond her lot in life. Oh, man. This week's MBA Saturday primetime game is so good James harden in the rockets at oracle they are now under a lot of pressure to turn this around. They've had a bad streak here. The warriors will you know, that they want to get back at the team that beat them. Not last time are covers tips with NBA countdown. Eighty talking eastern five civic on ABC, you can also watch on the app from anywhere. It's awesome. All right. Here's three on green from last night. Take a listen. Definitely be you know, about the playoffs may happen this year in they're right there. Maybe not, you know, we'll see about as far as robbery and they're talented. So. Thank reiver's mill. Disrespect the other tape battle. Winston man's before. They can really been rivalry. Big facts came on, you know, they they got a win for it to be. Okay. Welcome back to the jump. I Rachel Nichols here with Brian Windhorst the hall of Famer, Mr. Scottie, Pippen, and look Draymond green. Give him give a little a little credit to maybe a little taste of almost credit. The kings. Did give a game last night right at oracle arena. Katie's for twenty eight Steph poured in thirty six but buddy Hilton the kings. They kept coming and after the game. Even K D sorta gives them a little room said they should be recognized with soon just twelve point. So they have four games Katie is not going to just stop just stop this looking out on this from head to head even though the warriors have won all four games. If you look at that. Right. Just twelve point spread over those four games. It's one of the slimmest margins and regular game seasons. We've ever in the NBA the kings are currently night out west. So. If this ends up being the first round playoff series. Do we just say sweep we read it in or do you think this could be five games may? Series. I think the Sacramento Kings are building some momentum. They're billing confidence. And for some reason these young teams, Milwaukee Bucks the Sacramento Kings. Golden State Warriors are having trouble with with with those those saints. So I don't see this as a rivalry yet. But they got to be looking at team in their ruby Premiera. You know, it's hard rich. You know, it's hard. It's hard to beat the warriors in the regular season. It's harder. I mean. He said there's eighty two teams and their sixteen game teams were sixty game team actually both. I respect with the kings are doing I was one of the people that thought they wouldn't win twenty games this year. I like almost any of their moves, and they've been awesome. And they've got four or five really excited young players. And I am really happy that they're playing more. But they're not in the warriors league yet. I would love to see a competitive for found series. But you know there, and that's this shows you they're just good enough to lose to. I mean, I don't want to be mean. But that's just you. They're just good enough to lose to them. I just see this as as a young team that don't know how to win yet. They are closing the gap on on the warriors. They're their youth their athleticism there just building confidence. It's a big. Clue. It is a big gap. In terms of what the warriors have accomplishing what they have to do in terms of playoff. But I've been in this situation before and you don't like running up against a young team. That's very unpredictable, and that's what is that. But you always beat those teams. Struggle that much up in Cleveland. I I was I saw this struggles not that real. Not yet. Not that real look it would not be our continuing series as the king's term with that little drama and one of our lead heroes in these Ackerman kings world, these days is buddy. He'll we showed you earlier he passed up that potential game-winning three-pointer just over six flap. He chose to drive ended up missing rate. And I look here's healed after the game. He's an explain his part of it. Then we'll talk about David. I should've pulled up. I should have put it with. This should have put it in no shoes. I'm gonna make a little excuse for him. Okay. And we we showed the highlights earlier in the show. He made a deep three and his coach got upset with him. He made a second three from the corner and his coach got upset with him. This was wide open. Open wasn't. So the that's the first one, right? And then the second this they they're arguing about it. And he's like I made the shot though. Critics. What are we talking? I made the shot. Right. So yeah, I get it. Right. Then makes this at first one was not a good Cheney, by the way is like why is your coach? Thank you very much. Sitting there, and he can't believe it. Then he makes the shot in the corner. And again, they get into it with his head coach. So yes, by the way, when he says, I should have pulled up. I don't know what what came over me. I know what came over him. What came over him is? He just got yelled at twice so yes, he's going to freeze up and try to drive just reference that they're young. They don't necessarily. And maybe it was bad. But if they go in it's still a good shot and in the situation where he didn't take the shot is just he's he's young. He's going through those growing pains. And Secondly, he's leading the coach dictate how he played in as a player mature, the coach is not going to be able to dictate which shot he's going to take on a game winner or whatever. He's he's gonna make those decisions on his own imagine if Steve Kerr got upset with, you know, Steph curry. Sightly contested thirty footer we'd never would've had this far. So I think, you know, but healed is super talented. He's he's a big shot make your he hasn't really played in this type of game in the NFL. Really? They're in a game like this in the NBA, but he's done in college. I know he can be a big shot maker. So maybe you're has to learn how to use this to Steve Kerr has joked that he has found himself clapping on the bench saying good shot. Good shot. And then he looks at the film later. And he's like, why am I I am a coach of basketball clapping that someone forty feet from the basket, and I'm saying Trump, and it goes in to your point way. Good, right. Digger has done a fantastic job with that coach of your good coach. He's had great relationships with a lot of players. So I don't know what was going on there. I would not use that to paint a broader brush of day, maybe ager. But in this case, it seems like he got into his own players head, and that is a shame right live and learn I guess don't want that. I want to get to New Orleans where got all kinds of conflict between players and. Okay. Interim pelicans GM Danny ferry met with Anthony Davis. This week told him the team will continue playing him. But it reduced minutes. Very said the team will abide by league rules that required teams to not rest stars that are healthy adding quote league rules made it clear Anthony has to play as we've done previously. We will continue to follow their lead. But also be focused on the future of the team. Brian. I've seen a lot of people get confused who's on which side here. So I think it's important to just restate that if Anthony Davis didn't want to play everybody on the pelicans would be happy to have him, go home. So I've had some I've heard some criticism from other people and play ex players saying he's he signed a contract. He's got to play. He's the one. Who's forcing the issue here? He wants to play. It's the pelicans, right? Who said, well, we don't want you to play. We'd like to improve our position. We don't want you to get hurt. Because if you do that ruins our trade assets the NBA payment over the top. And as you reported Brian said find what off to up to one hundred thousand. Obviously could be less than that. But up to one hundred thousand and my guess is the first fine would have been one hundred, but whatever up two hundred thousand and that would really added up, and I talked to both sides about this not the NBA the day Davis side and the pelicans inside. And I think what they're looking for going forward. Here is a consistent plan what we're gonna do game to game to game because Anthony Davis came back from the trade demand. And he played thirty four minutes the first game next played like twenty. And so I think they're gonna say this is what we're going to do. Also, I wanna point out. Danny ferry said the drew holiday is also gonna have reduced minutes as a good basketball player that can help them win basketball games. That's true. That was not said, but drew holiday we'll ever deuce minutes to ad advantage. Right off the bat Lakers next game for the Lakers at the pelicans on the second of back to back, and you know, that loss potentially could help the pelicans wrap position. Anything and everything they can do the winning gain. So I think it's very smart to pull these players bag. But also know that these are the players that are going to feel the stance of for you. So is is is soft. But I think for the pelicans they're looking down the road. They want to try to win next year. Hopefully, they can convince Anthony Davis to stick around. And maybe you know, give him that opportunity to win their next season. But I think is a good move for them. They need players through the draft. They're not going to get them through for you. Positive and willing to believe in the goodness of man that I am because I think that ship has sailed. But I like I like the way you think it'll be it'll be twenty minutes a game though. So they're playing the Lakers. It's close on Saturday. The Anthony you've got twenty one minutes come out only gets hurt. That's what these situations sometimes too. So that's the most important thing. Coming up are Stephen Jackson. Well, he was talking up in the bay last night. He said he doesn't think a lot of younger players have the same love of the game that use generation did and that they're spoiled. We will discuss that next. I though here's what the jump recommends for today. Zach Lowe ten things he does like doesn't like including how Joel Embiid is inflicting devastation on the league with his chase down block. Listen to Mr. low. I'm Jack low, and here's what I like. And don't like this week around the NBA. I like Joel Embiid. The chase down king hypothesis is Embiid the greatest chase down block center ever. Maybe since Bill. Russell David Robinson was nimble and fast enough to earn a place in this discussion too. But I mean, look at this violence. Wow. That is nonsense. Those kinds of plays have a psychic value that can be hard to quantify. They also scare me. Giving him beads injury history, including me soreness that will keep him out of the lineup. At least another week, the most fundamental argument against the trade. Ben Simmons for three guys crowd is that doing so now would amount to betting the entire franchise unimpeded continued health it's far too early and soon to Spar too good for Philly to go there. I'm say Neil tonight on sports sportscenter at sixteenths from continuing coverage of the breaking news patriots owner, Robert Kraft hard with eliciting. Also live report on the deciding factor is looming over tomorrow's jute steers tooth games and breaking down the drama between the rockets and the referees center right after fi TI. Welcome back to the jump. The NBA has officially proposed to lower the draft eligible age from nineteen to eighteen according to USA today's Jeff Zogaj, this wouldn't take listen till the twenty twenty two draft and the draft age is collectively bargain. So that means both the league and the players association, we need to agree on this change friend. There's a lot of complicating stuff was this way. At one point that it got changed back now in the back again, what are you hearing? So the two sides agreed that the age limit is going away that is going to happen. And like you said most likely by twenty twenty two now to get to that spot. We've got some new version going on. And there's bigger issues at play, for example, teams want all the medical information of these eighteen year old kids because they said we didn't get to see them as long as other players. We won all their medical information and the the unions like, well, wait a minute. You're going to start asking for the eighteen year olds. Information. You're gonna end start asking for the nineteen and twenty twenty one year olds and we don't want this to compromise them. So that's the kind of stuff that they're fighting for the average fan out there, and especially if you're a sophomore in high school, and you think you're going to be a stud. I think it's going to end up getting done by that class so three more drafts but sophomores if you're a stud, you may be able to go right to the NBA of as great. And that's a lot of phenomenal players that are coming out out of high school. So it's great that they open up that opportunity for those players to get in the lead. And I just think it's gonna make the game that much more exciting is there isn't more service more sophisticated approach now that they're going back at this another time to avoid some of the problems that we hit I don't want to name names Kwami Brown. But some of the guys who maybe shouldn't have been drafted number one all overall who were just because everyone was like, well, I gotta get to him now because otherwise someone else is going to get to them. And all that I would be remiss if I didn't mention the league has created intermediate step where if you don't think you necessarily ready to go into the draft that you can go to the D league make six figures genie, right? I apologize. All the way the New York City Olympic tower. I'm sorry. The G league and make six figures starting next year that you have an intermediate step and that the idea is that players who are on the edge. Like Kwami was in a number of others would go that do I think that will happen. No. I think they're going. For the millions that they can possibly get. But at least over the next three years, that's a pilot program. I'm interested to see this. Because I certainly think unlike the events of the last twenty four forty eight hours have just reemphasized guy. She get paid to play basketball, especially when there are so many millions of dollars circling around them. They should have the opportunity if they're good enough in the league to be in the league, all of that is the case, I believe all of that various strongly, but I also see the value of veterans an MBA teams. And when you when you when you go down a year that means less vets play you lose some of that experience in the locker room. I just think it's it's complicated. Harder to judge those guys when you draft them you might have more draft bus on the one time team needs to have that high draft pick to rebuild their franchise. It's just there's a lot of nuance there. I I think they should do it. They just need to figure out how to do it the right way. Speaking of young guys in the association oboe, Stephen Jackson, had some thoughts last night. Take a listen. What are you guys make of athletes today's game, you know, people like Anthony Davis retiree who essentially hold franchises kinda hostage by demanding their way out or I will be the first lady's guys these as their spoil a lot of Mus ball. And I I was talking to a one of the best one all football coach. And he said one thing he see about basketball from the outside. Looking in more players today are interested in what the game can do for them. They don't actually love the game. Like we did. Sky. You just spent three days in Charlotte was Jackson. Does he have a point? There is this a little bit like generational does have a point. But I think he has realized that the game has evolved so much from the days that we played owners have gotten richer. They put more invested into their teams into billing their facilities. They're doing things now to entice players whether it's through their medical staff, or you know, their training facility at whatever. So I don't want to say that the players are or spoil, but they are weeping the benefits that the other great players head of them set out for them. So it's just from outside looking in yet. Does look like that they're spore they come to practice for breakfast. They go home, and they can take in a home with them. So is is is great. But I just think that, you know, they're just weeping benefits. And I appreciate what the teams are doing for the players because a lot of the players come in as we say like high school players, they're young they're not used to preparing meals for themselves. So when they get put in those situations, and is is a great situation for them. I'm I'm happy for the players as well. As ordinance I. Teamster feeding them everywhere because they wanted them to eat better stop eating fast food. Did you come in? Did you have charters the whole time you were in or did you fly commercial at the beginning? I did a few commercial years, but we we we got number one Stephen Jackson's jealous Saddam Nelson. Jackson at one time. And I love Stephen Jackson is he doesn't need to be Nelson continue. In terms of holding teams hostage or whatever I wanna point out, and I love stack Jack that he won at one time demanded a trade from the war and got it. And then threes get off my lawn. You know, now he's joined he officially old now because back with guys from the Lasko and. And these guys are all spoiled today while blah, blah. So I mean, that's the thing. I asked these guys. Yes, there you go. Look, this is every generation to your point. Right. And we heard guys got we heard the guys before you talking about cloning. You guys were right? They get their own planes. They do whatever all of that stuff being run around like Rockstars. So you know, it it it does happen, by the way that the kids of today. I guarantee you they'll be sitting around twenty years for now saying the same thing. So that we go when talk about real quick on Tuesday. We reported that a two year investigation by ESPN the magazine, Scott he didn't concluded that. There was strong evidence. The former MBA referee, Tim Donigi conspired to fix NBA games in the two thousands. Not just been on them today. The NBA issued a thorough response. The league asserts statements from several people quoted on and off the record by ESPN conflict with other evidence of the case says analysis done as part of its original independent investigation were quote significantly more comprehensive than what he s bien appears to have done and. That anecdotal evidence said quote, omitted material information, basically, the league rebutted the articles core research, the NBA concludes that the SP article quote did nothing to add material value to the record of what happened as it pointed out over a decade ago. And that the league will continue to expand our integrity efforts as gambling becomes more legal in the United States. Probably don't have to tell you the ESPN does stand by its reporting. We will be back after this break. My friend. Dominique is back, and we are here in a few minutes to discuss the rockets calling out Aref, a former Steeler with some strong words for Mike Tomlin, whether it's time to lower the NBA eligibility age in Pablo works in a story from the Philippines, and it's not even one that. I'm proud of. But stay tuned. Tonight. We have an NBA doubleheader at seven eastern demar Rosen playing his first game back in Toronto. You're going to want to be there to see that moment. Taking on this this. I it's quite to take it on the raptors. Then why on the rafters is still isn't sound, right? Okay. See jazz. This is going to be heated. Really good game. Limit straight. Triple doubles Russell Westbrook stake into this and it's crunch tone. Joan. Karl Anthony towns involved in a minor car accident on his way to the airport Thursday, he's questionable for the team's game against the Nick tonight. First of all, Pat, we hope you're okay, sending you our best. Bryan. Have you heard anything about whether he'll play? He was he didn't travel with the team to New York. But he got treatment of traveled later. That's worrisome. But man, that's scary. You know, rough weather in Minnesota this time of year. I hope everybody's okay. Putting anybody else? I don't think he played in. Nixon. So there's that fear. Steph get a stamp. He's death. Curry has hit squinty three pointers in his last two games versus the kings. He's hit a total of two hundred forty six three pointers this season on forty five percents shooting, Scott, if you have any advice for the rest of the league the rest of the way on how to guard Steph curry three. Oh, man. It took me a whole season his twenty three. You know one game all season. What does man? Let's good. All right. New leadership. Audrey Dala was elected first president of NBA players union earlier this week Iggy will replace LeBron who served that role in past four years. And then you've got a big younger crap with him, Malcolm Brogdon, Jalen Brown, biz back Biondo also elected to serve as vice presidents the executive committee. They replaced Carmelo Steph curry and dollar who was in that role before his terms expired now Brian in the past. We did see lesser known players like role players serve in the executive committee. Which is why it was so notable when Chris Paul LeBron Carmelo sided Steph decided to say, oh, we're going to take control the players union, and you saw on the last CBS negotiation. There was stuff bargained in to help the star players. Are you what do you think of effective going back more in this younger, and maybe more role player now? Now. Oh with the one. The this last CBA was the most friendly to mega star players in twenty years. Yes, it raised the you know, the the league had interest in doing it. They didn't just do it on their own. But it raised the maxes it enabled you to get paid faster to the highest level. And it you know, was able to create an raising the age limit we longer. It was that you could get paid longer. Chris paul. I wanna point out in head longer in fairness incidence. Right. But in fairness, they also took care of the guys, but the bottom they raise the minimum's and the rookie scale. So they didn't just only take care of the stars. That said they took care this big time. And now that their work is done. No reason to bother with the meetings. I mean, you live through lack out. Well, what do you think is important to have what kind of players role in? I think you have to make the playing field fair for both. You're going to have those mega stars in the you'll have the other players who are below the bar. So I think you have to make it fair game. And as you said. The megastars went in. Negotiate at the best Marin now, I think they've sort of made their place in the game. So let the little guys try to come up. Then. I gotta take a leadership, by the way, Andre Iguodala, obviously, very experienced and vinyls MVP L of that stuff. But interesting to see that shift and it'll come to play in a few years. All right. Let's head to Toronto where the Spurs take on the raptors tonight as mentioned Dhamar Rosen returning to the six for the first time since being the centerpiece of the raptors offseason trade for Leonard we expect some nice moments. Right. You see him and Kyle. They're the little bromance. What do you expect Scotty for tonight tomorrow? Sure, they hate it to see him leave. But I I don't think is really about him. I think is really about the season as far as what to Toronto Raptors are gonna do. They have to get to the finals, or at least the Eastern Conference finals and make that trade valuable for them. It's an important gave the Spurs. They're fighting for the seven seed, but this is Mr. Rafter, absolutely. The first time these two teams played each other was in San Antonio, which is glad for because you can get a little tight, right? I think it'll be a little looser now that he's gotten that out of the way he'll be in front of his home fans. It'll be great happy Friday, everyone feel better producer, Danny.

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Giving our 2019 All Star Ballot

Through the Wire

49:39 min | 2 years ago

Giving our 2019 All Star Ballot

"Walk through the wire doodo why I episode of twenty nine so we we not taking this lightly. Twenty nineteen is about to be the through the wires getting thrown we listen. We may have already got the Brown. If we'd be a real each other. We were number fifteen on apple podcasts sports sector, and we were number two when it comes to NBA related podcast. So I mean, we ain't got it yet. But we right here the kings, bug guests. We right. It ain't good enough. So it was not the winning three. Nobody remembers I want we want that number. We won't number one. All overall was fifteen you said, we won't one. And we can't do it without Sean. I know y'all want us to be together. But I seem Bill Simmons numbers. We let's go to. Talking to my year, but ready for no we can't put no selling on. Thanks. And so if you have an iphone right now, again, we own our way to spot a fat the Bleacher per famous taking care that. But if you haven't iphone and you enjoy the show you enjoy us for people. Go your podcast right now. Download through the White House this and do that right now? Even if you watch the video versus download because again, we're trying to get to the very that's what we're going to do. Spas, this and do what he saying. I'm back as you doing. He's screen record it posted on your Instagram or Twitter tag us. And that's how we can pick the winner for that ball. I liked him. So I I'll be give everybody were to the next episode or something everybody more more than enough time to do that. And then we picked a win. Everybody should be doing. If you won't that signed ball. So we have. Yeah. We have a basketball all four of aside. You can do whatever you want with it. I recommend not plan with it. You know, frame it because there's going to be worth the money someday. You. Let's get to the NBA doctor. Let's start off with John wall. News came out the day after we recorded last episodes. I, wow, that's pretty much down for the day and make young waved year. But that's not much. Searchers? You did say that didn't have. I'm glad I did. Yeah. Was bad investment. Throwback. Yeah. It could be a throwback, but that's gonna have to get cost. Fatty foods, though, Bank, New Jersey occupants back that teach. But you mean, they'll go with the Laker fake fair. Right. For the wizards though, they said his injury, so bad. But he was he couldn't walk on his he'll like he was walking on his tippy toes. And he was trying to do that. This seemed like the greatest says it's I'm glad he's taking a season to get one hundred percent healthy when John wall as a player, you know, that miss time here and there because of injuries nagging injuries. But this one seemed like why he needed to get fixed and more talk. Let's talk about what the wizards are going to do. Now, they were already nine games under five hundred which is extremely disappointed for who. They are or what they've been. But now with no John wall. What do y'all think they should do the rest of the season because they all remain the train to try to get better with Trevor reason. Other than his brother Bill come on show them. Like, I'm the guy Johnny just trying to keep and build around. And my team is the John what year he need to come out. And prove that he can carry a team because he has been better this really good this season. I think that I one point I thought maybe they might even sit him at this point. Because if they're not if they just plan on you just don't even throw them out because they're the chance he could get hurt too. And both of them league is doing that thing. Where like Sydney started. You can't do that rather been on him but allowed it. Now, you can't say you can't sit him. For me. This is terrible for them. Because I already was like not a fan of the trade that they deal with Kelly Oubre because in my mind is like why trade guy we we youth in potential for do who's only on beat her for like fifty games. He's not going, and they may even train him again that much since he's available to the right before me too. Because I mean, there's no reason for them to keep them. He I don't know why they got him in the first place, even with the healthy, John Kelly Oubre almost like playing the same at this point and travel reasons not going to bring that much change to that team. He's he's good for containing teams and tenures already solidified and just need a little piece here and near like, they need more than Trevor. Come in. And they even have the way. How were they had Thomas? Bryant started out there. So he's. Pretty is. He wanted me on your playoff team as a starter. Probably not. Okay. Probably not. But I think that the reason they did that trade is because remember when they were going through that stuff in the locker room, and they're like guys just want to get their shots. People are speculating they were talking about Kelly Oubre because he's got a big payday coming up. Probably. So he's trying to just get his shots up. So they could it could have been a locker room issue. But regardless this is a team now, then no John wall. The think they can't if they wanted to out think they're good enough to steal the eight spot. They're still maybe because I'm not a fourteen and twenty three to sixteen and eighteen the wizards have played more games. But they not that far behind three and a half games during those. Yeah, you know, anything can happen for them. And then he all right above them at seventeen eighteen year. The these guys sucks at the bottom. But okay, a chance, but my thing is you wanna take a chance because I feel like they would be they would benefit more for missing a playoff this year. Say Bradley Beal get some confidence of being the head honcho. If that's the direction you're going to go in. And then if if he's going to be guy, you're going to start off what are you going to start off building around with draft pick lottery pig, and you know, maybe that can be something. Or if you bring Bank John wall, you got those too, and you get somebody solid you get a Bogo expect. I don't put it like stepping up more than he wouldn't doing right in guessing. And he's gonna get traded. You got him on your on a block? I think he's been on the to do that. I was expecting to train before all Bray. Yeah. So I was so surprised, but I'm definitely to see how I'm definitely interested to see response today because he's probably gonna most. Most likely the second he's going to have the opportunity to take a lot. So the room has the kings have been looking at him for wireless, and now to John wall is out who knows they may try to pull the trigger values. Guess what? If the bulls xactly, they go to the kings that team will be crazy. See that's what I think is isn't doing too bad. Great. He's a great. But I think they're the same player as far as their play style. Goes. I don't know how it would fit together. They're both shock creating all dribble shoe came off the bench. Definitely Boban of it was her to to begin to you. I think I think they're better without that. And I think they can make rate to pick up a legitimate three for those on his rookie contract. Yes. Yes. Until the season. Go so hammered, you will call Stein. Willie colleague and pay who else is for us. But I don't know, man. I felt like Willie Cauley won't end up being a king at the end of the season. Yeah. Because Marvin Bagley Chevy planned center for them Hemi Willie Cauley Stein, they don't play well together. And that's right now marva bag injured. They hauled up the pain both, right? And then Marvin bags out at the point where he's a legitimate knockdown shooter yet, maybe he'll never be there. But I look at him more as a five pick and roll with him and deer FOX will be lethal Katya. Russell Westbrook, right? Next bit of news. We had was what was wasn't two minute news. All the bra, right? Okay. Coming back from three one and makes him the greatest player of all the time and his in his eyes. I love that type and talk. I love it. I love it. Do you agree with it? The I know we love it. As far as having a grind that. That moment. Definitely made me think sit back and think like damn is really to do, you know for me, you like who you have when you won't you like, I know there's a lot of people are like Jordan. If that's what you like, I'm tired of people trying to make an argument. I got the bride of you have Jordan good for you as long as it's one of those two. I love my family, but it kind of here where people come out of the woodworks. I it's called me. I love Kobe more not love Michael the bomb, but his ain't him. You have Jordan Koby. I noticed crazy people. Don't get offended by that statement. He not number one. Where he he you know, he that guy. You know, he's talked to him. You don't have to be number one to be great. This league has has four hundred players every year. But you know, it's crazy. The people who really should be offended is the Korean do Tobar fans because his name really don't get. He always gets as number three or number four imagine him. And that he has a legitimate argument to be number one. And I that's why hey ranking all time because I didn't see that boy play. I can look at the numbers. He's all timeline score. Without no the situations. What was the competition really like? They said that he was like a seven do to get like six one. Got the earth. This has got to be a research on people like him. I say you gotta go back and study those times, but like they banned dunking because he was so dominant. Right. And he's still killed the game. That's the hook. So as I year, he was way bigger, but they definitely tried to change the game just to hinder him like no duck, and that's crazy, no Dunkin, and he and he came through with the hook shots, and we're still killing them. We'll just crazy to me. So I give them credit. You did this thing. I think it's better. If we rang on back to real quick, I think that moment did prove the bronze legitimacy for the go. I can't name another player that I can fathom doing the impossible coming back against all. And for them to beat him. They had to go and hit. Kevin durant? Right. It's like I never seen a player that can cover up any flaw. You have or your team and still pulled out with a win. Like he does. Now Mashhad this question. Go ahead. People MAG on Kobe's that he's hard to play with. And then people say the Brian made people around better who do you think is harder to play with Kobe or the bridge. But people also say they'll LeBrun it's hard to play with also that's what I'm saying. That's people people are just say the Brown makes his team is better. But I feel like he's had teammates who value in game has gone down to radically everybody on that last year's team. Once they made that trade for Giorgio he was a lot worse. Same thing. Rodney hood heated lost all of his confidence. But opt talking about the people Kevin love, Chris Bosh. Kevin love Chris bass where products so their situation. Yeah. You know, like they had to be thorough fiddle. They had to sit at the perimeter knocked down those shots the ovum saying that's because they play with a broad James any team. Like if you go back and watch the brownhole teams. He's all he always need a b that can step out year. Marsha he'll go. He's always needed those guys. So when they came to play with him he he had his game for. Them to do the same thing. Like when he played with ISO nozzle takes a hit because the Brown needs ball. And I know LeBron would love to play off the ball like they were saying or whatnot nowhere heels. His exact I would say for the brand the reason why how to play with him is. Because there's there's first of all there's a set of expectations that come with. If you're playing on his team. That's I'm not even getting to them. But saying thing is for the bra. He's always always kind of like. Formula for him to be successful. He's always going to be successful. But frankly, invest he needs like you said the floor space needs people like knock down shots people come finish of back door codes for Kobe. I think it was more of his mindset if you weren't working hard as you were supposed to be given a show of he was going to get on your as I think some people just weren't ready for that. That's why people like Trevor REEs Kwami Brown, they fit well with because they still have their mindset Kwami February because I thought they getting that at at each other day. How many what's around the team? Right. Okay. That's a bad example. Yeah. That's the way. I don't know. I don't know the answer. Your question is a way better. I don't know to answer your questions. Things because I know Koby as tough as a team because he wants to be he's to banana, Brian. A you to be some. And you might not be fit into that role. So I'm asked this question, then who has LeBron's best teammate out all the stars player with who. Anyway. Yeah. Anyway. And I'm gonna go along as they carry your metoo, Harry's. Maybe I should actually different because I don't want them and get confused either. I'm not meeting wise, by the way is the higher ranking player multi say why? I think I'll still go, wait. Because he actually still got his own his his stats reading decline and he's still carried a load with LeBron. Also, he was like, the Batman and Robin type door y'all think that was the same thing we're way I think that was the original away with older away way. We've gotta fallen. I do not like what what do you say all of that crime? We're talking twenty eleven right. We talking about the the first couple of years at him suppo. Great there. Good. He went to eleven his lebrons when you level, right? Still averaging twenty two. Twenty two those carry was oh, that's thirty. That's the any comic twenty one five and five. No, I get what you kind of saying about. I don't wanna go. I don't want to be disrespectful logistics back. Even still good. No. He's great. Out of proud that was less harsh. But the reason why everybody did not like team. I do not like the way with the bra. That's that's my least favorite version of Dwayne Brown leaves bay. They got the jewelry. My least favorite. Yeah. They got. Hopefully. I think it'd be way with the best. What's your favorite, Dwayne hair? The Bronwen the shack one exactly I never I mean. The the one right before the Bronx when he ever sturdy I'm gonna go with the libra error. Because even though we I deeply despised they'll teams I hated those today I cannot stop watching those saints because they were so far at Korla, right? And way was better the year he was him and sack, obviously. Because that's when he was the one guy, but as far as like overall play or what I like to watch. It was LeBron and it was way together. I kind of throwing him. Yeah. It don't get no better than that. And how's he doing? Dwayne was the one who pushed lebrons be what he is. In terms of what he's become now is like a clubs player down the stretch. And that's that's what no. Lebron's. I don't know about the clutch Spar had the, but he he bought him. Like, he put them over there. He was facing. And that's exactly what the bra after that game where they played each other at the same sin. And that's what he said in his interviews. Like Wade is the reason that I am where I am not the question, but not the clutch saying that he was afraid to take that was two thousand eight two thousand eight against the Orlando Magic top of the key here. Yeah. Yeah. He had been on that. Let's move onto the next subject was his what Russell Westbrook say after he shot four for twenty two. I guess the Dallas Mavericks. He said, I'm the best rebound. Emma opposition the best pass my position the best defender opposition. I bring so much more the Agri. He also said he played like garbage. But he came back the next game and played a lot about that. In the last episode about when we speak on spoken Andrew Wiggins, just not owning up to being bet. Shout out to Rosa words. But on it up what made balanced bag the amnesia game. You just met you do bad one night next night. You got another game to make full you forget about it. So let let's break. This now best rebounder his position. Yes. Yes. What about you know, who you made about the same? Yes. Yes. Think about. Think about just because he's actually six in the actually like Bom Ozzy. I love Russell Westbrook. I don't mind that pad and they do make away from to go get it. But I think strategy wise and the stat and shit really bothers me because it's like I always say if Steph has thirty eight they're going to go and let him try to get forty nine or fifty. They're not going to be like, all right? That's enough. So why is that not step heading, and why is going to get a rebound? When you're when you have nine already his case, they more talking about not the points was but rebounded and since he'll sometimes pass up. Good shots for maybe a contested path. China hold not many people have done it though. No, no. I had an entire year where he was on fast breaks and just be a passing behind him. Yeah. Yeah. He did. But back to the rebound. I'm gonna go. Yes. He is the best point guard best passer my position, he's an argument. I don't think so. But if someone was saying that he was this of say, so yes. Today that he is not as pure of a passer as some of the other players. He doesn't have the vision of some of the other pleasure. His number say that he might be the best passing point guard. But when I'm thinking about passing point guards, I'm thinking about the raw does big about P Rubio. I'm thinking about Ben Simmons because they have the vision. And Russell Westbrook doesn't have that type of vision has an arrest west prepare. Yes, y'all think so things just because I say James harden is about and I love the reason James aren't as a better pass. And Russell is the same reason why Ben Simmons is a better pass in Russian because they make specific type of passes like Russell, he drive chess Adams, and he go up or he kicked to Paul George up for three in transition or something like that. But Ben Simmons be threading the needle James harden a threat it he'll pass it between your legs. You know, what I seen yesterday was that yesterday or maybe two days before he pay between Atlanta. He he got the Barabbas a capacity. He's passed any Russell Westbrook fans out there watching and saying he is it can't argue, which is whatever you like at that point best defender my position. That's what me and Mike had the biggest like, I don't know 'cause this year defensively. Russia Westbrook has been very good has he been the best as though this year. I can agree with those two. I'm trying to think Marcus smart is considered a suit, and God defend lawyers or how they to to also thinking, but even calories up there. But you how more classifieds issues too because they got Tim Frazer paying to smuggle smart. You it. Year. Maybe. Oh, Ben Simmons. He better of our defensive is not a big gap. But they're right there. I mean pebble I said, Pat, so she's better defensively than Russell. No, okay. That's all I wanted to say. I don't care how close the one who the reason why this is interest statement is because you can make an argument that he is at all of these you can say, yeah, he is at all these. But obviously, it's not it's not historians here. Which is why he's feeling. He's the best score was. Position now. Seth curry having. Aw, damn. Cama making a case for Campbell. Yeah. And I'd put Harry up there too. Yeah. Yeah. He I wrestled strike me. As a scorned care type guy. He wanted to everything new. Let's get into the bug episode though with czar twenty nine hundred all star ballot. This is pretty early because we get like two months to the all star festivities which one. Oh my God. Twenty nineteen. Yeah, we go. We go on all star. I said that my videos like we'll out I'll be confirmed. All right. You see, you know, the hour to tell her. It wasn't alive. When in. We'll be Charlotte. Once that's how comes around. But here's our ballots. All right. The way this works. We got two captains one of the east wanted to west. There's two guard starts from east conference three Ford started from his conference. Wisconsin's I wanna start off with these es. Let's get all Catholics that he picked the video they clicked on video because they see title, and I'm sure all star Bali going to be an title. It will be. So that's make this juicy and nice and interesting, I know might get some silly ass things to say, I may have. Everybody. No, not yet wanna get silly cow. This. This yada yada, says the captain, okay who to start a bed corporate east video. I kinda just wrote mine in particular order, I did the same thing because I did it in the starting know. Y'all. I did this at three o'clock in the morning. I did see. Yeah. So I just bro. I keep telling people this. I keep telling people to set. It doesn't matter who starts you look at a player's career resume. It doesn't say five times star defy coming off the bench. It says ten time all star. So don't get too wrapped up who start who's coming off the bench. But that being said my first start is career oven. Came in the game. Eight years prior eight years later, the man's on fire. Who's who's our? The best pussy. Obetsebz- cypher. But yeah, that's that's right now, it's time to my man. He was drafted two thousand eleven we're in two thousand nine hundred and eight years later the man's off. And he has he has been fire fourth quarter over time. There's nobody I want the ball in the hands other than Kerri Irvin. Jesse carrying it right now. It's great to see my is he's the most clutch player in the league Celtics fans, don't panic because the the worst where she I'll do the more and more on his bad. Hey, if the if the season were to an today, the four five match will be seventy Sixers versus Celtics in the first route that is that's dogfight anybody coming out of their first round and things you the Celtics clear scary playoff thing. And beat and the nashoba against the Celtics. What do you say is not really arrive as McCain win same about you and saying, wow. So they have one average game that's been doing and they don't show Joe wannabe play real World Series. He missed a big shot in the game us got an awesome. If they're coming back with a vengeance. This year they. Jimmy Jimmy degree as he was the one that did show up. Next starter who was that. Stop. I got next Kemba Walker. Oh my God. I also that kept Walker is this has to be two guards. It doesn't have to be one point guard when Ceuta gar two guys can walk with my second start as well. Gua? I feel like Vic book I had that debate too. But Viggo depots numbers are a little bit down. Successful missed a lot of. Yeah. So I I went with Campbell. Because he is the only reason that team is eight hundred and eighteen no disrespect. But it's a fact second four player koala year. Cohen obviously, honest, we get will. He was a captain. Okay. This is kind of boring. So fuck it was spice about what the thirds forward. Oh, you got Blake started. I thought I thought we just did kuwa-. Kuwa-? We got one more starts about all the center. Yeah. Blaker government was muster. Julia. Oh, okay. I waited. That's one. Y'all see the way it works warning center. Right. The way it works on the voting side of the NBA. It's either your guard afford. So if you're Tagliabue's center like Anthony Davis like yoga, you're classified as afford. So joel. We was going to be the center having Senator start NIA and betas. It started saying, yes, okay? Since centers Joel Barry Irving Campbell wall. Yup. MB L jumping Sobe the Amish. Go straight to reserves the race baiters states reserves who's out I reserve off the bench lake Griffin. Only depot these my instrument. Any particulate would not me. Blake ref. I think like reference symbolic. I'm the say anything don't say he ours there. Blake sizes purposive. Let's let's break it down one by one Blake Griffin. Best career fiscally best season of his career. Statistically, he's the reason why without a doubt in the playoffs without a doubt. I wish they was doing better. I was so he gets the Jackson sucks. Terrible. So Blake Griffin is the primary playmaker. Ain't doing. That's how he needs to be. That's how it was. Remember when the three went out now. He went out Blake Griffin. And that was a game his best the year. He was third and people or something like that. They will look like a whole different thing without CB through a whole better. Ten I think what helps them is just because I mean, he does control the ball allowed. But there's no point guard that dominates the ball touch the ball and everybody gets the lane 'cause Shula this love his. He's got to the point where he's a knockdown shooter. And he's healthy. Yeah. Next guy. What y'all talk about our players. You said, Victoria depot. You did mention his numbers job. But it hasn't hurt his team. No ninety any missing games. Yeah. Is games? The bonus miles Turner's the. Thaddeus, John that he's been really good to seize Evans is still. I mean, he's doing these kind of abyss appoint kind of a disappointed when you get to Memphis. Oh, yeah. I didn't think he was gonna come out and not with all the people. They hang I thought they could put them at point garland and run a show just like for. They also have been coming off the bench. So that also dropped his death. I'm glad that you Victor all the depot his love because people number that going to drop it things like that. But he still Victor the depot. When I first defense, the watts bogdonovich his defense to his individual defend his his three Andy doing crazy. Yeah. My was Ben Simmons. I mean best or says, Ben Simmons and people defined thing about Ben Simmons people be hitting me up. We're not people. But do hit me up. It was like is. It me been some has been disappointing. And he's not. But I could see what he's saying what he sees putting up sixteen on an eight. This is saying. Yeah. We'll just crazy and people are saying that because players like him Jason Tatum. And Don Mitchell didn't take the job that you would expect it, but a little he was he was aboard allow all-star. Lastly exactly, but that's my point if these are quote unquote disappointing because aiming zone when they do make the jump is going to be scary and a reasonable alleged. Big alleged roles and was the. We gave it to draw GIC. Drudge. Yeah. That was a big debate on do. I. Yeah. I want any. So there was three open spots now. So we had to go to somebody has come in Mexico way. Do we talk about ever been? It's okay. Who's the next guy y'all list? I had Chris Middleton. He didn't make my feet. Oh my God. I like it. He did not make mine, and I felt bad because we don't figure it out. We'll see. But the reason why he did not make the reason why I feel bad for him not making my list because they're the number one team in the league as far as what percentage goes, and they only have one all star. You know, there's no numbers there. They're slightly worse than what he's added to like seventeen. But he's been streaky watching hand, you can tell he's playing a little bit worse. This year. But. Because they had so many shooters around taking a lot more shots sorta Shasmi and a little bit more aggressive here. Actually, I think. Twenty point score in his league with those people in charge us name. I don't think they should stop him from doing anything. He's a second. They stop him. But I'm just saying the points more a little bit more spread out. Now, he should be twenty points. Or I'm looking his game lock. There was like a five or six period. He was really really bad. And I'm like SaaS not the right time to be bad. We go to we went to one. Yes. That replay late another guy was Jimmy Butler. Jimmy, Butler course. Yeah. He was he was on my list, this may and my reserve hold on let me let me reach out stats through Chris Middleton from this despair. Tim point shot twenty seven percent seven points. Twenty eight percent points. Thirty three percent, sixteen points thirty percent. And then ten points. Twenty two percent. That is a five six games span where he was absolutely terrible. How long ago was it? That was the beginning of December and one of those. That's the game that we went to one we then he still to fifteen seventeen twelve eighteen twenty. He's getting shot. A last games. He's been who've been now so knows he may he may end up still in the hearts, if he really gonna nice little run as late this last month. But regardless he didn't he did not make my list Vosa vich may may man as well may put the twenty and twelve machine I mean, he wouldn't have made my list of their somebody else. Now, he's been having a great year for him, especially he's been playing making to handle competition. My turn only guys that I thought was this competition would be Audra drama but job, but that seems not good enough to have two. All stars, Bradley, Bradley Beal, also that. List that I decided to tween Bradley Beal Zach LeVine, who's gonna make my list, and I wouldn't be just because I feel like he's just more concrete there. This is going to be as I kind of like breakout year, they only have low dental that he's still having a lot of the game. But he slowed down from what he started off the and thirty some percent of this have the same exact numbers. Really five and five. Right. So when was because I I wanted to give it. Barely. But exact me, I'm fine with that. But I'm very curious. I'm gonna look at. I just don't have to be able to fish is just don't Christmas and overbearingly peculiar. I think and that case are you taking more calcium success. I was I gave him just because he's gonna have. He's an okay to season. He hasn't been great. But his team is also much better than Bradley bills. So you don't have a problem with my west people because I don't care. I don't give a damn about they record when I this. This is the one time when it shouldn't matter that matter in all no war. You think this is? I don't see what I do too. But it's not like a deal breaker for me. But it I think it it does matter to some extent your play brings in wins. Even know I I would you as almost a substitute light. You may be only averaging twenty eight four, but I'll add into it. If your team's winning your big part of the right? Yeah. Yeah. I can with that. Okay. So let's get to the west. You don't have Anthony. We can we finished with eastern. That's all that's all about our Cal. Cal arts. Mothers calorie nothing like we got one more spot. Right. This should ROY Moore spot or we hit it. I'll be needed. I had Andre Drummond. I'm out of this. He was my wild card on named are all our mind. Bradley Beal, Victoria depot. Larry Ben Simmons Busa Vic Blake Campbell Coa Jimmy Joel carry on. And that's twelve. That's that's twelve hour. I've just had one hundred German instead of cholera. Okay. Dan, that's kind of disrespectful. But I I'm I'm a we don't have that seven to the west Western Conference. You don't have Davis has a star because of his teens record. Yes. Lately, y'all spoiling it captains captain, LeBron James. I love you. And I'm going to Antar my can. Right now right now out of hand outside of the Bronx have James Hart. I'm gonna go to the Bronx. And I'm gonna go LeBron as captain, James heart. Okay. Vote James hard. I mean, you could vote 'em. But we know who go into pin the Catholic so born every damn here. But whatever I started Gart stuff stuffing carbon encourage in harm. Damn. I was hoping somebody. I was gonna come with some balls. Yes, pigs. Nobody comes. We're not the crazy terms. Reserve. So other than LeBron who's the other one or the other Fords for Kevin Durant Durant? Paul, George, George. It is I we got some this. Going which the as Elliot. You got I can see. Yes. Okay. The reason that Paul George because he's having MVP caliber season. He is the most consistent play on that team. So far as far as scoring goes. And defensively. They're so good defensively. Yeah. So that's I gave him a knob. But again at the end of the day, it don't matter who's the starters. But I just gave it to Paul George to show him a little bit more love. But of course, Kevin may my list eventually Katie twenty eight seven and six better west Paul George Lavigne's at twenty seven to six four. For K D twenty five twenty six eight and four pretty very close. Those majors non was and who who the thunder are one game behind the warriors in the standard insects who's doing better than like the last ten in the last ten both teams are six and four. Wow. To warriors are human. Bogey comes in. Everything. I last my last guys Anthony Davis Anthony Davis. I did not have Anthony Davis with myself. Okay. So this of the bay comes in. I had to go ahead and give some loaded Nicola yoga's and topple his conference. I know he not you don't got the stats like three days in terms of scoring. But I gotta take the twenty in basically a triple double to go with it every night. I'm not I go every day. That's an argument. I'm going with it is very very fair, especially since he's his injuries. And that's a very fair argument. But I do think he's seen is better than it was. I don't think Yokich is. I think Anthony Davis guy help. Though, it's not actually this question. If you flip swap them does anything change for the pelicans. And I can't tell you that. But if is goes to the nuggets. They're going to be. Speculate best that. It really only have two players that you could say is arguably better is drew holiday, and maybe Julius randoms private in a treehouse probably. But here he probably in one hundred percent holidays been Gary here is. Yeah. So other than that everything is in the pills will have a single player on their bench. That's six toward this effort Jewish. Let's say better team. It ain't even it ain't gotta be like against each other. But like Yokich players around him fit his style to to a t you're there all the scores. And then then the public is also missing do I think communist the hell outta Anthony Davis Nico year. I think he makes a big difference. But yeah, but reserves let me just say y'all all reserve as one by one. I'm starting with Mike. I want to hear some crazy Damian Lillard. Okay. Russell westbrook. You should give seven because you had a five Paul George Anthony Davis gala Nari. Well, gala Nari is Tobias Harris in company towns. Name again because you just let me count you should have seven. Okay. I'll do Westbrook Anthony Davis Damian Lillard gala Nari Karl Anthony towns Tobias, here's okay. So to clip his Twas. They got also. The clippers way. Then I'm like, I'm who did you take out of my list? Oh, I see. I see who did you have in there. Yeah. Book and I had to have a book so here my here. My reserves, Damian Lillard Russell Westbrook. Kevin durant? Yokich caught towns. Devon Booker Tobias Harris does where my seven reserves Damian Lillard omega them in L is they may a little Russell Westbrook would as regard. I think we got the same iron this, Paul George. Russell Westbrook, Damian Lillard. Yokich? I'm losing cow. It's an order. Devin booker. Yup. Okay. Russell Westbrook yoke it Paul, George Damian. Lillard? Oh, I'll do man bias and cat. Did you dear derozen clay, Damian Lillard, but why you just make two blades? None of us had on our list bioterrorists. The role clay. Kids. Okay. And then Damian Lillard you have seven. You have our reserve all George George. You'll get towns. Yep. Lillard hairs. Yep. The Rosen and Klay Thompson. So who did he miss the heat? Don't have Russell Westbrook. I do have Russell's group. Now, you don't rename your your. Same way, he had sex seven people don't because he gave you the Marta rose in the garden. Yeah. And clayton. Russell westbrook. Noah russell. Okay. So he has Russell g towns yoke. It's dang to bias the rose, and clay he got eight you gotta cut somebody. And it'd be clay. Ladies there's like there's so many players that deserve a spot. Right. That just couldn't make the list, for example. I think my colleague has we're going to make us rewind. No manual people. My colleague Dhamar derozen, they make mind Klay Thompson. I had CJ McCollum. Him. I think he's not his numbers around the same. But I don't what's so. Papago saw at that too. But you just people Stephen Adams, Stephen Adams. That's that's another one. That's Devon Booker. But he didn't make my live. Right. Because that's we have to be. That's why we have to be wearing. Okay. How to hail I want to say how to f-, but I'm it's twenty nights. And it'd be better. How to hail do you have gather Nari over Devon Booker? I remember Devon Booker over Damara Roseanne like, and I'm I love Harry, biz sixteen six two he's he's winning as the fourth seat though. He Rockies the number one teen his percentage is a really good last time. I checked right. Forty five percent from the field and forty three six three. That's cranny to from free throw. That's great. He's having a phenomenal year. Here's but he I don't know gave them both. I really like. Rewire rewound. He he could he didn't you? I thought he was averaging more than that. Right. He's averaged ninety eight. He wants to rear number right at sixteen twenty six and three. Those are great number. My whole thing is you got both of them. Right. One of them gain came make it oh, both into honest. Have it with neither the making those are I had it between Devon Booker. And I gave together the now because he's winning. It's hard for me to just put it as good. As Devon book is numbers is just hard for me to put it in. If he's not he's not winning. Okay. So let let me take it a step back. So technically, yes, the clippers have a better record than let's say the Spurs noca- by one game. What makes you put gala Nari over demar Roseanne? You're with somebody else. I also had on my list of the honorable mention because we'd be down. Now, we didn't even cross my mind ninety. That's why I say I applauded them in I put my favorite because even when it was winning this hard to put even when you say they kind of like James harden. Is the classified of the gar, right? He's a gar-. We have an hour is my forward. Well, I guess he was a wild cones or wildcard is going win into either way. I gather the clippers could be out of the playoffs in two days. That's how close time can is. That's what I'm saying. So your argument about him winning is is part of my new using as if the widespread number one seed when like two days they can literally be out of the playoffs. What about FOX snow? No. You're not. Twentieth. South is not there yet. And it's also like I said, it's the people are headed to bear. I didn't have the can't make your shit because kit Kat, not win in either. And then he hits. Out of thirty seven games sixteen. I'm games. He didn't score over twenty and. Aim especially became hits when Jimmy Butler left. He took out immediately. No, he just become the first optioning he immediately for number. I want to get his game. Steph from I let myself I wouldn't think that went to basketball reference. I went to game logs, and I can't and how many games he didn't score between in his sixteen. No, no, no beginning season. There's like a for the very first one is the one wouldn't even if a sixteen. But those air with Jimmy and without Jim. Yeah. This month is averaging twenty three last month have was twenty one in a month for you have is nineteen. But I still think he gets it'd be a twenty five point school easily four he's done before. So he definitely could. I think he's more than minding his his his self recently. He's put up though. 'cause like those games you're referring to for some reason. He sat nine sites that's unacceptable for guy of his town. We talk about that's another thing that crossed my mind. We when I was looking at that last night. A lot. They get mentioned on the show is yoke. It's aggressiveness. He his ass to be aggressive because yoke is going to be a facilitator and still do his thing. That's part of his game. He's not a facilitator he has come to be aggressive. Right. And he's aggressive that opens up his his his ability to pay. He's aggressive that helps them win games. Yes. They don't need. You wanna pairs? They they got some bad losses. Nobody pass to but they're gross. The last two losses on both bad the way that he plays. I don't like the way that use Dario Saric. He rarely plays. I mean, not when I say real like twenty minutes a game with. Yeah. I've seen that play against the bully at a game. He was he was a warm up. Like that makes y'all that makes y'all loses at a train because the whole thing y'all was getting both of them. And I think he'd be real good next to cat. So you think he's just started with us right now because they they not they not doing that. So let let let them young day young core mess together and develop they lost. So the hawks they lost the pales- without AD those too bad. He probably killed dogs. I think he I think he had a Greg Angus talks. It was everything else. Thirty one in nineteen. Okay. Yeah. He had a great game. Because he who's going on the hawks thirty one thirty one nineteen and five and very what Anthony Davis. He put up twenty eight and seventeen. So like he's been doing what he can. But like those games they should win as a squat, you know. But those numbers but without Anthony Davis. But yeah, I gotta go deep book, man. I'm sorry. I do you know the numbers. I let me guess them. Twenty six seven five. Give me a lot of low twenty six seven six. I'm like, I'm always extra in you. Look at it as number twenty five seven and four. Yeah. I know and a lot of people questioned this playmaking jump four or three his assists. Because I mean, he's he's point Booker. Now, let me give you some critiques. Devon Booker though. I don't know. Of course, some critique he late in the game. He's going to have the trust in teammates. I know he don't have them. But a lot of his ball sticks in his hands. And he ends up taking a bad shot. Turn it over. He's gonna to put some more trust into his teammates. I know which which which seems. Figure that out too. All to TJ one to weren't you? I hope not they won't has nice. He gets the rock Kelly. You agree. Kelly. You raise a very good day. Kelly who bring it a big shop. And then when he first came from Devon Booker Devon Booker trusted him again. To do more of that. I'm just saying late games times. He does force bent out here. What you're saying? But at the same time, I can't say that the signs are losing gangs because he's not. And that's the reason I'm giving him critique to become a better player in the future. Man. I think he I think he needs some better teammates. If he continued if this man can for the rest of for the next seven Seasons Pools up twenty five seven and four they dig on be good. If he gave some good teammates periodic go for I don't care how because he can he can clothe outgained superstar this, man. He is what you call it. I'm on the devil. Get chaining train. I'm a fan of him. So how'd you REO Kevin? Do this. He's not you you gallon. He's putting up the numbers. It's not like I said if he's being around twenty those stats could be petted in if he's team of success. Numbers us of centrally. I'm like, I'm like seventy percents. Sure Devon Booker were not into making the all star game. Because okay. But how what's say, that's gather narrative. Seventy seven eight making it he probably ninety eight point nine Nari not making it at the Marta rose will probably be an all star. If we'd be a real each other. And he shouldn't be over Devon Booker. Dwayne Wade we'll be an all star this year. This is last year. Now, he won't be an all star this year. So that means on our list, if somebody that won't make it I didn't even think of de way when it came either. I mean, I really, but like I know this is last season he's one of the greatest to ever do. So he will get his last all star NAS. But I was looking I listen to see who could potentially not make Roosevelt would you would you have you have other piece? Team. I would maybe maybe he could he could be they might even Simmons. If it's been Don wanna his shoot about the way, they might be. He's been sevens. Because that's he it's weird for the all Star Trek is we have for you all start with the record that they have. So I feel like the coldest like we'll just throw away. But like he'd been. And we'll be like eight games this a Caesar. So he knows pretty early alpha. You only gotta give them just like they had. No, I had a train and capping all of those things. Those are all stars boys. Let us know your ballot ours in different differentiate too much so too late in the Western Conference because they are players that are bona fide all stars. You know, all Phoenix Suns fans, let me off on wild and with the devil book. All-star selects he like acid 'cause they go on now. He was campaign from being all star rookie year. Definitely interested to see these teams. I hope they all they wanna draft to he's going to be telling me this is going to televise, but it all mad at us. We'll be. But I still want to see who's going to be last. Yeah, I listen. Let's do you. Can we make a bit? If you had on this agree. The last person I was going to be drafted it won't be nobody that's going to be like, oh why they picked crucifix. But it's going to be somebody like, we know they don't make it to away with Dona body. Get offended. It's going to be a jokingly matter guaranteed like, let's say, let's say, right. The way makes it all the brining on peak doing he don't pick Dwayne way as outta old, man. It ain't going to be like oh shit. They keep passed up on blah, blah, blah, ain't going to be. I don't think it's gonna be juicy consider what type of players Xiang just wants to play with. You know, does he want to put all shooters around him? Stuff that means it could now if he if he do Piquet d and say sign us this off season. Oh, yeah. Potentially. If he Paul shooters out, bro, bro. If he put all shooters around here. Become my favorite player. There was like well pick Martine there's going to be with me not Fano Glasser day was kind of doing. It was just like whatever bay heat. I about to win we chatted jazz. That'd be that'd be. That'd be super though. We didn't pick coaches, oh, Derek truant coming in class. Saw my Boone hose and Mike Malone for me. The two best teams in the league. I mean, they don't get me. I'll go with it because it's kind of make someone else. Probably maybe get it because Steve Kerr. I'm gonna go Billy down on new. Donovan all star coach, I'm hot one. Hussy the game on ask Stephen Adams with the clipboard of the late name. I'm gonna go Billy Donovan my boot hose, and I'm dead or might even trying to be funny shit. They record keeping. What happened with just run the same office? Because Russell it'd be all his team steel. Russell do would you gotta do. Oh my God. That's it. Yeah. Thank you so much for watching the first episode of twenty nine nineteen if you enjoy to leave it at like download the audio show. It's going to be a big year for us for y'all. 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Ep 150:  NBA Trade Deadline Recap, Those days are GONE & He's too thin skinned and SHOULDN'T come to New York

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Ep 150: NBA Trade Deadline Recap, Those days are GONE & He's too thin skinned and SHOULDN'T come to New York

"I'm the child of Detroit Free Press. Bog Ryan of the Boston Globe? And ESPN. I am. Mike, Luca MSNBC MLB dot com. And welcome to the Friday morning edition of the sports. Support is podcast. Which is a continuation of what we did for longtime on ESPN on Sunday mornings, and it it's funny. How we have so quickly turned the page from the Super Bowl to the NBA except that once Anthony Davis announced that he did not want to be a New Orleans pelican anymore. We had already turned the page, and what is fascinating to me. And there's so many trades to talk about so many non trades to talk about the constant drama of this and Kevin Durant talking about how he doesn't wanna talk about where he's going to play next guys. They are making something work in the modern sports world. They are completely transactional league now and the transactions make every. Something bigger in the NBA and at a time when people wring their hands and say, oh super teams in too many guys moving it all seems to make the NBA and even bigger story. And and people weren't paying a hell of a lot of attention to Anthony Davis on a kind of nowhere team in New Orleans. Now, they are fascinated by the fact that didn't move that. He almost moved where he might go next summer, and it just it just shows you the power of this sport right now. But my son said to me last night guys that people are more were more interested in where Anthony Davis might end up. Then they will be when he ends up wherever he's going to end. This is this is a modern phenomenon that you can tied directly to the draft. It's the exact same thing the NFL draft. It's exact thing thing about college signing day. There's much more excitement about where someone might end up than what they do. Once they get there. I'm not. Sure. It's necessarily good for the sport. And I'm not sure it translates into people watching the games as much as as the Twitter world. That's what it translates into everybody jumping in on. Rumors everybody following the biggest sports writers in our business. Now aren't the guys who write beautiful feature stories? They're the guys who can tell you who's gonna get traded. And who have the inside stuff on that? It's a Twitter world like that. I still don't know if that translates into interest in the game, Mike translates and interest as you say the transactions of the game who really watches Anthony. Davis play Tobias Harris was here in in in Detroit. I have to tell you. Nobody spoke his name. Okay. It was it was nothing. And when he was trading. Okay. When he left here. No big deal. Now, he somehow is is. Wow. Philly got Tobias Harris. Now, they're they're walking to the NBA championships. So you're right guys are more interesting in the fact that they're moving or the fact that they're going someplace, then the actual games become good or bad for the sport. Though, I ask you to Mitch touched upon it. I was thinking about this. And I'm glad you brought up the idea of signing day because this is absolutely positively an extension of recruiting in college and high school recruiting which is a major major major major deal in certain areas of the country in which is a non topic and other areas such as the one in which I live and signing day comes and goes an in the south in mid west. It is a high holy day without question of sport. And here it passes without any knows notice in the next day. There's a brief list of who the local colleges got. And that's it. And this is an extension of that we are living and you're right. It's also part and parcel of of the Twitter world and social media. It's all in all began this this phase of it said, see if you guys disagree with me agree this all began when LeBron formed the Miami, Heat, Mike when LeBron and Wade formed the Miami Heat and since from that point on. The future of of you know, and what's going to happen next. And how you can assemble teams has become as much story as the actual games. You're so right. I got to say I don't want to you know, not give credit just happen to see what in the hour. Scott van pelt had a very interesting commentary on ESPN, which he was saying, basically what you're saying Mitch. But which is that the other night the warriors beat the Spurs one forty one to one or two by forty thirty nine points. And no one even talked about the game. Because all anyone's talking about is what the rant was wasn't saying after the game. And and I would go I would disagree that nobody ever cares about the games. But the point was was valid. I think it certainly jives with what you are saying match 'em. Bob, I hear what you're saying. And and this is a totally generation my opinion, this is a generational discussion. And will this translate you huge ratings in the plan? No. But I think they're going to do. Well, look. Look at the bad SuperBowl. Just had the worst ratings ten years. Everybody thought that the Red Sox and the dodgers we're gonna shoot the moon. They did not this is the sport of the young. Yes, it is the sport of social media. It is the sport of Twitter. And it is the one sport that we have that is truly a worldwide event and people around the world care about this stuff. The these guys have become Rockstars is is it the greater good. If we only have five or six or seven teams, and in if only a few of them, I don't know we'll have to sort that out is this goes forward because we do have one super team right now, that's probably going to win another championship. But when you look around the sport, and you look around the attention that it is generating I believe that. It's not stuff that that is necessarily my Cup of whatever camomile, tea, or whatever the hell it is. Okay. But I think in. All plays into making the NBA brand and envy. And even though the the NFL is the biggest sport in the world. This is the sport of the young. Well, you know, it's it's a moot point other than just sort of, you know, the kind of thing that we maybe bounce around here. But you know, we I I'm not in the business. And I don't think you are Bob need to be in the business of talking about everything that gets Twitter all a twit. You know that to me talking about Twitter. You did. No. I wasn't Twitter event. I don't think it wasn't. I wasn't going to Twitter to find out. What was happening yesterday? Well, that's where everybody else went. And that's where everybody does go. And the point I'm trying to make is just because of bunch of people are commenting on something to me. My job anyhow is to try to say, well is it news? Or is it not news? It's not news to ten thousand people went to their phones and had to comment on something. It is news team. Suddenly winds ten games in a row because of the trade that was made. And I still think there's an obligation lease and what we do. And ultimately in the success of sport. Just see once these players are drafted signed go to the college. Whatever the case may be does you know what happens on the field? What happens on the court? So what's going to happen? As a result of of all the action that happened at trait that line. Well, everybody argues at the biggest move if you break it down was probably the seventy Sixers who went for. So I think it's Mark assault to the raptors. I think the raptors might go to the NBA finals now with Marcus all that's the difference. Yeah. I mean, that's at significant upgrade baba my wrong about this. Well depends on what. Well, why is he available? It's not just the money. And I think the Marcus of two thousand twelve is that one thing I'm not sure that they're getting the Marcus oil that of you know, he's still fifteen and eight that they tried. They traded a good player for potentially is a better player Jonas see on. This is not a star. But he's a good player. And they're just starting them state. No, I think most teams would make that exchange. Mike don't get me wrong. I'm just wondering the degree to which is going to give them what they need or how much they need out of him when they have the other pieces, they have which is of course, the important thing. But I mean, it certainly sounds real good. We'll see how good it is. Well, you know, again, you don't need to compare. It doesn't matter. It's not it's not a race between trae. Raids Gonzales gonna help them heal them, for example, if they face the seventy Sixers, you know, taking on Joel Embiid. I mean, you know, sometimes at this level when you're already pretty good. And you're you figure you're going to be deep into the playoffs. You start making traits for the teams that you're going to have to face to overcome them to get to the finals, the ones that you're going to have to face every year on your side of a conference and Joel Embiid is not going anywhere. And so they get a big guy to sort of pull him out and defend against him. And and he's pretty good that way as a good defender. The Harris trade on the seventy Sixers is is one of those while we we went from a, you know, a big three team to a big fourteen. Now, I would argue that I don't know if Tobias Harris makes your makes you the big four. But the you know, he certainly brings good shooting. Good overall court sense to the game and adds onto a very strong lineup there between Simmons and in bead and Butler and all that. That's a pretty that's a pretty impressive right after Golden State. You've got to say that. That's the most impressive starting starting four five that that that exists in the league. I don't know who's gonna come up the bench because they traded everybody. At present. They are the first team since the two thousand four two thousand five sons in which all five starters are averaging fifteen plus points a game except in this case seventeen plus points game. Because j Jay Riddick is also a member of the starting five that then that's only been done previous one extra basketball and Philadelphia. Well, it depends. I guess you have four guys like that. You can have four guys like that. But you better hope that number four and in this case, it might be Tobias Harris is is great teammate. And is unsettled a player as Klay Thompson is with the warriors. Well, I Mike you're absolutely right. And the little homework on Tobias and comes with pretty good personal credit. Put it that way that he'll get it. We'll say I mean, I've certainly but one of those guys who does score seventeen he's an incidental score Simmons. He's and now they got. Four cyrus. Remember last year they had trouble creating offense. They imagine now because they put Butler on there. Now, they put the Harrison there, but they had trouble getting points last year. Now, they got they got right handed Butler and Harris what they've done. So I, you know, I don't you know, like Klay Thompson can be the unselfish teammate because he doesn't have to dribble the ball. He just goes shot. They throw it to get it gets a three points, and they start marching down the other end of the court, and you're right in that they have a very unique player much like, you know, the pistons and bulls head Dennis Rodman who didn't not need to score the the Golden State Warriors. Have you know, my man from Michigan state, Draymond green? Who does not need to score to be happy? He's happy making passes and playing defense nailing people and yelling into acting like a knucklehead so it remains to be senior. Absolutely, right. If these guys will say, okay, what's my role in? Going to be happy with it. But on paper, this is a very impressive starting five here now, and let me tell you what I think about the Sixers and thi this up for both of you. Okay. As gifted player as he is. I think that ultimately Ben Simmons is as more of a problem than a solution with the Philadelphia seventy Sixers. He cannot shoot the ball. Okay. And maybe you can look at the team say okay am beat is their best player. But in a lot of ways Simmons is supposed to be there important player. But Bob, do you really want the ball in his hands at the end of a game in may? Well, these stupid the ball, though, his first instinct, you know, he is he's a good guy. There say he's a magic type of gigantic could shoot through not ho after his furry. I. Wait a minute. He went home after his first season one year in the NBA and came back with the three or four it wasn't this fifty or six year. He went back east Lansing, and he came back with the three point shot. Well, he did improve his shooting. I'm going to get to that. But not so sure it was instant, but we will not gonna fight you. 'cause I don't know when exactly when that made. We can transmission all I know it did take place because he went home and worked on it. And I was kidding. We saying last year that have been Simmons isn't spending five hours a day locked in a gym with with an armed guard outside. So we can't get out the seventy Sixers remiss and say, no answers currently wasn't. But the point is does he have to be when he surrounded by four scores. And they do now have four scores, you know, including a a mini mini tops amid clay who has read it because he's a catch and shoot guy in the same mould other. He's not Klay Thompson. But he's still our eighteen points a game and turn out to be a hell of a lot better pro. And a lot of people thought he would by the way. Yeah. I. Think the overview is of the of the east is very simply this there were four teams with you know, with pretensions in Indiana, probably still has them. But without shame. Isn't that a shame that guy they were playing in Boston? So that's that's just leave them on the side. Okay. Three of them looked at the situation said we want to get better. We want to alter ourselves we need to get better and one of them stood pet, and it will be interesting to see how that all match and mentioned, Bob, we haven't I love the gazelle trade for the for the raptors. Because I think when this thing all shakes out. I keep thinking the Celtics are going to get better. We're gonna Ford viable teams in the final four in the Eastern Conference the other team that made a if I if I think SOLAS one. Nikola miratec a going to the box is a home run for them. Getting me keep he he makes them a lot better. They already got the best potent offensive team. And now, they're even more potent offensive team, the guy can shoot you. No question that makes them, you know, man, I respect them. They're not a myth and not they're not just all about about one guy and as much fun as he is. And even yesterday he was funny even picking his own team in the in the whole thing Middleton is a terrific player. And they've got some talent there. Well, the everything with the bucks is what does it do for John us and this allows him to room to operate? I mean, he'll space the floor. He'll open things up. He's he's he's a great complimentary player. You're absolutely right, Mike. They're the they're the best team going in the east and arguably in the NBA, and nobody talks about him because geographically they're in the wrong. Place and everybody thinks discussion begins and ends with John Lewis. But they're great defensive team as well. They're forty and thirteen they got they got the best record in the NBA. And they've got the best defense in the NBA to. I don't have those stats in front of me. And you get into the playoffs and deep into the playoffs and that matters. And you know, this is one of those things where people who follow sports intricately are sitting around saying, well, you'll have to wait and see and people who just follow it casually. Have no idea anything about the Milwaukee Bucks except the star player. But when they start getting into seven game series, and you've got the flexibility that they have and that miratec gives them and they can play that kind of defense you can win a seven game series. Sure. And I think they're going to go very far. You know, you're you're right that the Sixers in Toronto and Boston just because of the tradition of the of Boston. And and the rivalries with the Sixers, they get all the attention. Nobody. Talks about Milwaukee because they're just not a sexy name. But I think that they have every chance of going to the NBA finals by making this move. And it just depends on how mature they're going to be, you know, under their coach, and if he can get them to play with a championship mentality. I I've been reading some things that says that the people go up there, and again, how many people go to Milwaukee and hang around their practices and try to take temperature of them. That's another geographic thing. But that the people who have say that they kind of sense that they're they got a special team. And you look for that kind of thing. You know, you some players really coach too much. They a really good coach bulldozers, really. That was a great get for them. Just he was that was a game. I mean, this is proving ground for him. It's his first year. And so, you know, sometimes first year coaches first year new players, take their terrific job in Atlanta too. Yeah. But whether whether they'll get it together in time. You know by the half a season is a lot. And and I I like their chances. I, you know, I don't like geography, but I like their chances and by the way, Bob, it was interesting Mitch kinda speed bumped his way past this. But. Where did Harris play at one time? I just it just it's it's a remarkable that all roads go through Detroit. I was watching a game fine. You know, interesting game. But I wanna get it out. I have something to say about that game last night. And that there were three guys. So we're not game once teammates of this tweet piston, it's it's it's it is it is you remember, we always say about Bob's Trenton makes the world takes Detroit makes and Trenton is just up the road from Philadelphia and Philadelphia very quietly, and nobody seems to be talking about this the way I think it matters traded the number one pick in the draft a couple years ago, Mr. Foltz away for some more draft picks and players and to me when you get a number one draft pick in the NBA, and it doesn't work out. It's a big story. You know, you you, you know, he wasn't really the number one because Danny aines never had any interest in him and still was able to fleece them in this. Trade the number one player in Danny? Angels minds Jason Tatum. He never wanted falls. Well that says something right? That that that people look I remember that draft. All right. Let's not rewrite history. Let's go back to the night before that Danny aines may have known it. But there are a lot of people in the country and draft experts who said this is just a toss up between Kells and Lonzo ball. They're both phenomenal. Well marquel? Foltz has fizzled totally now he's been traded and Lonzo ball is never going to skate apparently the shadow of his father opens his mouth against stupidly on trade day. And now now has to live with what he said in LA comments like LeBron James never gonna win a championship without my son. And if I'm the Lakers close to given this guy away for future draft just so that I don't have to deal with any of that head, but certainly averaging nine point in his career ain't exactly what the potential number one and actual number two draft pick in the draft was supposed to do. So both of these. Teams were wrong in their analysis. Now in hindsight of how valuable these two guards were and full being. I don't know if he's ever gonna play. I mean this. The in the history. Let me turn to the hall of fame historian in the history of number one picks to if he fizzles out, and and you know, and either head cases is way out of the league or or injuries as way out of the league is that the biggest number one bust ever that would be because the leader in the clubhouse in my mind. And as you hit me without the chance to do any kind of research is Larue Martin back in nineteen seventy or seventy not seventy seventy one believe Larue Martin in Portland had a very undistinguished career as the number one number one. And he was a funny story at the time because his reputation at the time, it seems it was a great conju by his agent. Arthur Moore says name was and he had had a great weekend one weekend in the Chicago Stadium when he played well against UCLA and somebody else they'd backed about games on a double header situation. And you know, a, and and he published that and he also wisely withheld Lou Martin from postseason all star game competition such as. Existed in those days because he didn't want him showcased screwing up the whole thing because he wanted to lasting memory of Martin in the NBA scouts in a much less sophisticated scouting era to be that of that wonderful performance the room Artan had suddenly come up with in Chicago. And so the Portland trailblazers fight away. Think about who that we're talking about here the same team that took Sam Bowie number two in like Jordan was sitting there. So and anyway, and all bad, this would be Michael Ola Condie. Mike all the way Condie had Kwami Brown. Right. Kwami brown. Kwami Brown drafted Kwami Brown. She. She. He didn't know anything about basketball that was clearly as primate. Greg Oden was a different thing. Liberal Martin is still a bad. But right now Michief disguise. I mean, you know, because we have two problems one is coming off serious injury to because he had the mental problem. He had the the, you know, the Steve Blass disease with his shot and he lost his completely lots of jump shot. It was a mental thing. It was a psychological thing was the problems a phobia. And and that's that's scary. I mean, this guy this kid is so much pledge and Mitch you brought up Lonzo ball. Okay. And we're about to get to the Lakers. Bob happened to be at the Celtics Lakers game last night, which turned out to be terrific NBA basketball game. Okay. Here's here may be the fatal flaw with the Los Angeles Lakers, despite the destination and everybody, you know, you've guys have heard me say this even dead former greats want to go play with the Lakers now. Okay. Do Magic Johnson. And rob Pelinka really know what they're doing is the ownership. The ownership is not what it was like when Jerry Buss was there. I don't know if Luke Walton good head coach or not. And it's got a parting shot on LeBron today and wonder if he looks around sometimes say did I really vet this situation as well as I should have. You know, what Mark has magic ever made as an executive. I mean, it's it's not like everything he's done. So far mitchum Bob is makes him a Jerry West on training wheels out there. There's been very few guys. You know, the Jerry West is the gold standard of great player who turned out to be great executive. I mean, another so that other moderate certain degrees of success. But no nothing like him and the who came into it with his you trust him. Bob, Mitch to you trust. Magic Johnson rob Pelinka to assemble a championship group at the staple center for their side of the staple center. Well, I one hundred percent. I know I watched Joe Dumars in Detroit go from player to general manager. And I knew Joe no Joe very well and watched the thought process that he went through when he traded for guys. And when he drafted guys, and it it had a lot to do with will first of all. You know, he he played with a lot of the guys who still you know, he went into it very quickly afterwards. That's not true for magic. Although earlier on there might have been guys that he he recalled being out on the court with. But there's the sort of conversation that they have text. They call guys that they know that they played with. Hey what what's he like in this situation? And it's a it's a, you know inside baseball. But not the way that guys who don't play the game. Do it. You know, it's not the analytics, it's not the Billy being it's it's it's more about what's he like in this kind of situation. What's he like in the room, you know, shop talk, and I think former players, especially former great players talk to a lot of former players about the players that they're talking about drafting and trading. And so when they end up making the moves, they don't do it necessarily for the same way that that that that you know, guys who were strictly GM's. End up doing, and I think sometimes it works. Really well, and they pick up on guys that they see like more. They were absolutely supposed to do it. And sometimes like with Darko Milicic, it doesn't you know who Joe Dumars ended up drafting and change the whole franchise because they had a crack at the number two pick and didn't take him. So didn't take the right guy. So I don't know, Mike. I mean, I I don't I'm not gonna I'm not going to say Magic Johnson doesn't know what he's doing in the fighting. No, I say you said I'm going to say has he done Mitch? What has he done that Bron recruited himself for the Lakers? Lebron had decided he was going to the Lakers. I'm just saying what has magic done either as a coach or an executive in the NBA that that makes you think that he will ever have the vision the guts daring that somebody like the west did when he brought Shaquille O'Neal to to Los Angeles. It's not just that that. That's a good point the question. I have with all that type of love of level of of person in in that goes back to the butcher goes back to what is the level of total commitment is he Mike Magic Johnson is still an entrepreneur still got lots of irons in the fire in business world, Bobby. That's right. He acted like he was a front man for the dodge hit nothing. He was all it was was a front man for the dodgers. So Buddy's still put times too. Wives. Right. This is why Danny aines has distinguished himself because you know, us less Slovenia. Okay. Yep. He he gets around. He doesn't just rely on his scouts. He wants to see it himself. He's willing to put in the time. He works the phones. He does that job. He's twenty four seven three sixty five as the chief basketball poobah of the Boston Celtics in a way that it's a work commitment that not a lot of ex jocks who are achieved a high level of playing time. Don't wanna put in the time at the next level. I'm not saying magic isn't. But that's the first question that any any owner hiring someone like that or bring into the fold has to say look at me. Isis are you prepared to do this job, you know, fully? And that's I don't know. How can I can I shift off of that to a guy who I don't know might end up? A Laker might end up Nick might end up right back where he is. But made some comments that certainly got a lot of attention for the anger and. And the prickly temper that that came behind them, which is Kevin Durant now. Kevin Durant hadn't spoken for several weeks for people who don't know why this is an issue hadn't spoken for several weeks of the media. And he's usually guy who talks after game. So the media in a in a press conference after the warriors beat the Spurs one hundred forty one to one hundred and two and the top should have been about the game. They asked them. Hey, we noticed you haven't talked for a while. And it became one of these. Well, I don't feel like talking. Well, why don't you just don't feel that talking? What does that have anything to do with free agency? Well, that's up to you guys. And then finally somebody tipped the the apple jar over and he went into a whole thing. And I'll I'll just I'll just pick out a few sentences. It's unnecessary. You gotta duty th and Strauss's a reporter coming here and just give his whole opinion on stuff. And just makes it seem like we're coming. It's coming from me. He walks around. Here doesn't talk to nobody just walks in here surveys. Right. Something like that. And now y'all piling on me because I don't wanna talk about that. I have nothing to do with the Knicks. I don't know who traded Porzingis. That's got nothing to do. With me. I'm trying to play basketball y'all come in here. Everyday asked me about free agency. Ask about my teammates, my coaches, you rile up the fans about it. Yo let us play basketball. That's all I'm saying. Now, when I don't wanna talk to you all it's a problem with me come on, man. Grow up grow up. Yeah. You grow up come on, bro. I came in here and go to work every day. And I don't cause any problems. I play the right way. I try to play the right way. I try to be the best player. I can what's the problem? What am I doing all of you? And then somebody says so you weren't talking to me before. So who were you? What do I have to talk to you? Tell me is that going to help me do my job better nominee. I don't feel like talking. And then when somebody actually ask them about the game, he got up. He said, you know, you don't care about that. He walked out. Now, there are two elements to this to me one is that he's awful short tempered for a guy who you supposed to be building a team around. And number two. A lot of what he says in two thousand and nineteen is dead on accurate, and that comes from someone who feels bad that he is dead on accurate and laments the day when when communication between players and the media was part of how teams were covered, but I would maintain that. It's totally not necessary anymore. I I would I would suggest to you guys that the sports world, particularly the NBA and the NFL who can protect their guys from talking has become basically two sided one side are people who go on talk shows and scream and the other guy across from them screams, and the show becomes about them screaming and to the players themselves who tweet out their own thoughts on things. And you the old days of reporters going in? And actually finding out news by talking to players and getting to know them is gone. Now, the players don't need the media to get their message out and the media need players to become famous for their analysis. Whether it be on radio or on television. And we all know that newspapers lag far behind that. What are your thoughts on that part of it? And then and then we can talk about about, you know, Kevin Durant and his prickly temper to begin. He's he's just thin skinned Bob, you know, what I was thinking about what is is is I and by the way, those find dramatic reading of the best. No, really, it was like it was like hamlet. He shouldn't come to New York. I I wasn't watching that. Enlisting then to. Oh, that's a. Yeah. He'll be great in the big bed city. You'll be great. When the lights get turned up even more than they are when he's playing on one of the great teams of all time. Oh, yes. He's a born. Nick. Please come to New York. Evan. First of all, he's right. Mitch as you said a lot of what he said is accurate, and he is he does do his job, and he does play the game beautifully and invite way into the best of our knowledge. He is not a daily problem any kind. He's teammate. I I don't know what you know, whatever I can't remember what the specifics whereby why Draymond went off during the game. But point is he's he has not distinct is not as separate himself in any way in that regard. He's he's I mean, he's so, but we have watched the sky grow up in chain evolve. Or devolve whichever way you wanna look at it in public from the from the nice, polite. Young man who came into the post game in the beginning with the backpack in the bible to this hostile pit bull now. And you know, it's just that, you know, survey situation and react to it. But Mike's thin-skinned he has revealed himself to be astonishes thin skinned. And totally lacking. A he could it's so easy. I'm my. We one thing that I've noticed in fifty years of of dealing in in this world is that how easy it is to to handle the situation if you're an and keep the media media on your side, and you know, just so it should be so easy. You know, you need a little bit of sense of humor a little bit of you know, of of you know, calmness and it's easy to do. And I always, and but he is gone. The other way, he's made it much more difficult. I like an Mike too late the Yankees in the late seventies. And and, you know, the Munson in nettles, and and I've been, you know, covering them from the Red Sox point of view why they make it so hard they made. But let me let me jump back on something. Mike brought up at the beginning of the show that I think he has to take some ownership Kevin Durant, and this, and of course, he's not going to because this is this is a level of thinking that that athletes. Just don't go to he helped create this world where transactional news. Is more important than actual news. Maybe as much as anybody besides LeBron James was Kevin Durant leaving Oklahoma City after after they almost went to the finals and going to the team the beat them to help win a championship. That was a huge story. It was it was it was huge not only in his talent. It was big. Because you remember Stephen a Smith and other people who came down and said, how do you leave a team that, you know, how do you go to your archrival when you just took your archrival to to to seven games? And and don't always something to your. That's big news that kind of transaction that kind of jump became big news. He's part of why transactions are more interesting than games. So now he comes but they won it. Yes. It was. Yes. It is the transactional except that. He joined the warriors. They got better. They now. Great teams of all time. That results was that. He he made the right move. I'm not I'm not questioning the move. I'm saying he doesn't really have a foot to stand on to say, why do you guys just want to talk about free agency aware, I'm going to go because he's part of the reason that free agency, and where players go be a trade or otherwise has become as you pointed out the beginning of the show a much bigger story than the game. So he's basically saying why don't you guys want to talk to me about basketball? And it's like well because you've you and LeBron and Chris Paul, and and every every couple of months, Carmelo Anthony, and Kawhi Leonard and every other big name, it seems have turned the league into who's going to be going wear next. And so that's all we really wanna talk about if they were telling the truth and now he gets upset about it. So he's kind of created the very problem. Mitch to you. Honestly think that that is yes, he made a big headline this week. Do you honestly? Think that that is a bigger story that that team is about to win another championship and go down with Jordan's bowls. And as the -lutely not, but that doesn't hasn't happened today. Okay. We're only about what you can write about or tweet about today, the NBA finals or four months away. So nobody's gonna talk out of the win when they win their championship. They'll be talking about that in February all there is to write or talk about is this kind of stuff at a trade deadline and who's going to go where he was going to go up so him. So we're like the social media people. Okay. Here's what I'll say about. Kevin durant? His say about Kevin Durant, and Bob I've thought about this a lot, okay? He he say he moves off the warriors. Okay. Say kyri relieves the Celtics say, they even end up say they do end up together in New York. You're you're going to have to guys who will never have had to to accept the responsibilities of truly truly truly being the man on a champion. I know he was a big guy in Oklahoma City. But if you take kyri was a wingman as great as Durant is I still think all everything flows through Steph curry, a total grownup in Golden State. So you better think long and hard about whether you think you think the Kevin Durant can be your LeBron or your step when you turn your franchise over to them. Kyri is glor-. He's a talented. He s he made a shot once Bob all I'm saying is you better think long and hard about. Several what we're saying championship. K-? How many championship teams have been absolutely built around guards? Under under six nine. What do you call it, Michael? What do you call Michael? I call Michael, Michael. It was a hybrid three hybrid two-three. You know, he was shooting guard test were pistons. I'm going to get the Mitch s Mitch it. Would you say that? It was definitely is as as is as Joe it was the back court that court and inventing guy was the wait a minute. It's the best three man back court of my lifetime. And I contend into league don't forget Vinnie. They don't win without Vinnie coming off the bench, the microwave. So it's different greatest dot court trio in the history of the NBA Kobe you call me a guard. Yes. Okay. The ball the time. But yeah, he and Michael very similar he and Microsoft. Early early. The hardest to go put it that way. Well, today, you know, you can be six ten and be guard. And and and and and so I- Mike you make a good point. I mean, I know what you're saying. You know, he's always had complementary talent around him. And and Russell Westbrook. And and see. But it also speaks to what frustrates me about guys like the or this kind of talk as you are in the most perfect situation. You can ever be in in sports. You are playing with a bunch of guys that apparently get along are incredibly talented have that one guy that you need and dream on green. Who doesn't have to have the ball? You got a great coach and you win. Why would you ever play chess fricken stay, you know, the first thing out of your mouth will be I would be out of my mind leave this team right now, he talk about his thin skinned nece is also sensitivity, and it goes right back to where we all started. This conversation about him. He is still incredibly sensitive that he went to Golden State for easy rings and got the criticism. He he'll he's never right, Bob. That rice all about he's still sensitive to the criticism. He got he knows people still think he was pie. Sailing on and he knows and he has to know that he would better he would serve his off his quote, I hate to use. This word is his I won't even use the Ellwood. He was served the way he'll be evaluated by historians in the future. If he goes somewhere else other than Golden State and gets it done. He has to know that I think he does that. And he's really resent the criticism. You get and he's he's gotten more and more thin-skinned, these as I said, he's I dunno these evolved or devolved over the years, but he's not the same person was high, you know, in in and it's not in a good way. Now. Well, he should lose that sensitivity because the point is to win rings. That's why players play and at the end of their career that count how many rings they got. And it's not like Kevin Durant jumped on that bus sat in the back and was given ring. He led them to those championships use the MVP. So he's earned his keep on that team. And I I may not be crazy. We may not none of us may be crazy about how these teams are now assembled with the guys talking to one. Another and deciding whether gonna play, and it's basically players, you know, the Brian James Nisa, berlet's pick-up sides and taking you you you and to hell with the rest of the league. But that is how it's done now. And that's what part of why I'm saying the rant protests too much in that he helped create this fascination with Where're you going to go that being the biggest news story. Will you still be here next year? Will you join another team? Will you go for bigger money? Will you signed someplace else? And and when you brought up the criticism, you're absolutely right Bob that a a massive win over a very good Spurs team didn't even warrant any conversation. But that is where this conversation leak has become a guys just got a, you know, just Banji opportunity. I did have to be president that game and get the feel of that game last night and TV never gives you the Popper field. You know, you don't get it. You're and that let me tell you something that game was we dealing about the Boston Celtics and not in a good way yet is one hundred twenty eight points, and yeah, they had. The guy scored a lot of points in that game. We've hield the flaw that I think is been evident in this team from the beginning of the year. And that is that they aren't they think they're better than they are. They are not making the commitment. They let an eighteen point the NBA. We all know losing eighteen point lead is not the most historically anything significant in the NBA. There's ebony flow every night, we know that. But they had an eighteen point lead that they let get away because they did not guard a soul, they did not the Laker set a team record for three point shots made last night. And I'd say all but almost all three of them were were so wide. Open. Deal Mack truck thing you could drive because guys weren't working hard. They thought they were going to win by virtue of their offense of talent they got off to a great shooting start. And I said to my daughter is sitting where I don't like this. This is they're getting his too easy. They're making too many shots. They're not playing the game. Right. And they came back the bite them in an they wind up losing an bizarre play in the end. You know, when they don't get the rebound of all people ridge on Wando makes a twenty four or you know, win the game. Here's the thing after the game. God, this is why you gotta love Brad Stevens. People cannot you can't praise him. They asked him about that last play. Oh, what if you got the rebound, Brad? What if you close out the game? He said, yes, we could have closed out the game. But he said, I think the basketball God's rewarded the proper team listening. All right. Let me just say one thing before we get to party shots about the Boston Celtics and will direct this to my friend. Mr Ryan, okay. How in the world? Did they basically add kyri Irving? And Gordon Hayward to the team we saw do what they did in the playoffs and backed up Bob just happen. They thought well now we are so good. They are deep. Look, they I, you know, having discussion here, you know. Now, I mentioned how the other three teams in competition with them in east of becalmed petition Almeida move. And they don't need more players. They need the guys they have to do what they are the play better particularly defensively the play better than they are. They played Irving's all stopper. He's he's ice Irving. Thais cat twenty points last night. He had a hell of a game offensively. And he he was working. But I'm only say they they got it. The mesh. They gotta get the at the head. Right. They got decide to play together and play harder more often. And they don't need more players. Now if Danny makes it's too late. Now, you know, this is it he let's come and gone. They just got to go out and do it. And and and they have not done it in that game. I mean, they didn't have an eighteen point lead in the fourth quarter. You know, but in the third quarter. The Lakers lenders were ahead for a lot of that game. The Lakers scored forty two points. They were very easy forty two to get your much saying, they weren't work. They they didn't have to work hard for February game to me. I rarely see deep hard defense played in February. Well, I'm just I'm just saying that's my take on the Celtics players. They need to have the players. They have do with their damn well should be doing with that. It is time for our parting shots. Mike Luca lead us off. Okay. So we all we all did watch the Lakers. The Celtics last night in Boston. And you could see especially in that third quarter, whatever possibilities the Lakers might still have with the players. They still have that means all the players. They basically offered for Anthony Davis. It was fascinating. Watching this play out over the past week as we have discussed today. I kept thinking if the pelicans did give into what they perceived as a shakedown from Davis. It would have been LeBron Davis at the staple center and the best guys they could find in the D league or maybe at a local Y. But but as I did watch this game and watch the power and even the purity of LeBron's game on a night when it was Rajon Rondo who did end up making the winning shot. I wondered what LeBron's expectations really were for his first season in LA. I wonder what he thought was going to happen. I wonder how much time he honestly thinks he has left playing the game at the level which he can still play which means the level of which he played it last night. Or does he? Around at the players. He's got around him and the people running the Lakers and think maybe I took the wrong plane this time. Hey, guys baseball lost very special man yesterday. Frank Robinson died at the age of eighty four. The resume is a messy hit a record tying thirty eight homers as the NL rookie of the year for the reds nineteen fifty six. He was the National League MVP nine hundred sixty one then he was famous traded the Baltimore while being declared a quote unquote old thirty by Reggie him. Bill dewitt. And then did was win the triple crown and get the MVP and the real championship in nineteen sixty six he was the first African-American damanage big league club. And by the way, he had a home run as the player manager in his first game. He played hard. Terrifying. Shortstops and second baseman for two decades as he broke up countless double place. I mean, he was just ridiculously easy hall of fame selection as a major league baseball executive. He was a mentor a sounding board and a beacon of reason and enlightenment. Oh, and how about being a McClements high school basketball teammate of Bill Russell, which leads. Me too, perhaps his greatest and most noble act. He was a season ticket holder of the Los Angeles Clippers in the days when winning twenty games was caused for a parade. Now that takes courage, and grit. Frank robinson. You would a man. Well, said we could argue whether Chesa sport, but they're certainly isn't an element of it going on with Nick foles and the Philadelphia Eagles the man who took them to the Super Bowl and won. It's MVP is now jumping from square to square while the eagles try to outmaneuver him. Here's the game. So far the eagles who announced that they're going to stick with Carson Wentz. Thanks very much. Nick, still exercised foles option to pay him twenty million dollars next year. Most of us would take twenty million dollars to sit on a bench foles, however wants to start somewhere. So he exercised his two million dollar option to negate their twenty million dollar option. He did this literally by writing a cashier's check for two million dollars and giving it to the eagles. Another item on the list of things normal. People will never do. But now the eagles two million dollars richer plan to slap the franchise tag on foles this way, they can hang onto him. So they can trade him. The franchise tag is likely worth about twenty five million dollars. So to recap they offer him twenty. He pays them too. They tag him for twenty five and now try to find another team to take him for that money. So at least they get something in return. Hey, philly. Here's something you could get in return, Nick foles as your quarterback one day. We'll see if letting him go wasn't the dumbest chess movable. That's going to wrap things up for today's edition of the sport supporters, which we do every Monday and Friday, which means we'll be back on Monday and just a few days. If you have never heard this podcast before today. Please tell your friends, particularly those who enjoyed the television show on ESPN that we live on the podcast world, and you can get it anywhere. You get popular podcast, including radio dot com until we see you on Monday on behalf of Bob Ryan and Mike Luca. This Mitch Albom. Saying have a great weekend.

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2001 Redraftables With Zach Lowe: Parker or Pau? Arenas or Iso Joe? Elgin, MJ, and Wallace Doing Stuff! | Book of Basketball 2.0

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Shame you but you should at least try out a podcast on spotify. Check it out. It's as easy as I just described and speaking of checking out stuff. The Ringer Dot com still cranking out sports pop culture and a whole bunch of other things. We have some good stuff in the works. We have not slowed down despite other stuff. That's going on. I hope you're staying safe. I hope you're listening to the doctors. And scientists were. GonNa get through this at some point. We're trying to get some context for you so I know everybody's board out there I know. I know it's been tough times but We're just trying to do our job over here and hope your stand safe coming up me. Zach Lowe the two thousand one redraft ables here the basketball. But that's still near Josh inch of you should bash bashed all right. The redraft ables continues. I was on his podcast last week. Doing our belated. Mvp ballot this week. Zach Lowe and I are redrafting the two thousand one draft which is one of the last drafts. We're just all hell broke loose And it's a really weird one to look at again first of all How much old basketball are you watching these days? Now that we are in week four of the Quarantine. Not as much as you would think honestly Not that much like seriously i. I have a lot of work to do. I feel like I have a lot of work to do like they still want some of my regular columns there's the whole like is the NBA. Coming Back News Story. That we're all kind of tracking. I've kind of tried to lean into like I WANNA cover. What teams are doing now rather than full on the stage road and then when it gets to like nine nine thirty at night? My wife doesn't WanNa Watch basketball. She wants to have a glass of wine and she got me into the Great. I'm watching the great British. Bake off right now. Unbelievable Oh wow look at you What do you can do is unbelievable for so am. I did a podcast yesterday and kind of stumbled into a conversation that I got increasingly excited about. Since we've done it and I think I'm probably a little too pessimistic about sports coming back but if the able to figure it out one of the one of the hurdles I couldn't get past was how weird it would be to watch everybody empty arenas and how nonsensical that'd be and as we're kind of talking it out. I was saying well. It would actually make more sense if they did it. In like high school gyms Smaller facilities places like that. And then Had somebody who knows things told me that practice facilities actually could be the way that they're going to do this and there's some benefits there one. Is that way less people involved with the practice facility? The teams basically. I think there's every team own some semblance of practice at this point right off thirty. Yeah either that or they are well there are a couple that have it in their arenas yes. I wonder if there are any other just straight up practicing their arena regular floor anymore. I'm not sure there are so you would cut down on the people that were actually working there and then from a media standpoint the way that they could do the cameras would actually be pretty cool because everything would be so close to the court and there's no fans you could get way more creative and basically make it look like the most awesome version of a scrimmage ever like you know they have the famous Dream Team Ninety two scrimmages and the footage leaked out of some of those games and it was like awesome to watch but they're in a big arena. You kinda can find that to some awesome little area and you just had them going in their uniforms i. I'm starting to talk myself into this. I might just Miss Basketball though the practice scillies of definitely been talked about the NBA. Definitely sniffs smells opportunity like. Let's let's the the brightest possible bright side of all this if we can come back even if there's no fans in the venues are weird and all that like people are dying to watch this on television like. It's an opportunity for US people trapped in their houses. They want to watch something. But the practice facility thing is like you know you read about what baseball is trying to do with all the spring training facilities in Arizona versus this Vegas bubble thing that got some media. Traction how many practices Cilliers are reusing like over using one centralized one? We are decentralizing. It again in this idea. That's the challenge to me is like who's where how many people have to hop from one place to another. Does anybody have to hop from one place to another whereas the finals idea that? That's that's up in the air. Yeah well I think one thing that I I'm officially on this point from this point forward if we do this it's not going to be in the NBA. Arenas and I think I think people in the League have even kind of accepted that that if this happens it's gotta be a smaller venue. Maybe it's pepperdine. University for the Lakers. Sir May be. It's you know some some high school that state of the art in the La area. Maybe it's the Lakers training center You go on through. They'll figure it out. I'm not that concerned. I also think if they do it'll be just the playoff teams that come back It just makes it so much easier and whether it's eight we talked about eight teams twelve teams last week on your pod Maybe everybody gets a first round by the top four seeds. The seeds five through twelve plan. But I there's there's certainly motivated financially to figure it out and Oh yeah On all sides so we'll see goes all right. We're talking about the two thousand one draft. This was the first draft our differ. Espn this does Iran too. I read it. I wrote diary. Yeah it was probably like by six column I ever wrote for. Him and I was really excited. Unleash the concept of the draft diary on. Espn's audience remember led the website with it. As very excited. You were with Dad. You were watching it with your dad and the dogs were very dog or multiple dogs. Were very excited about the draft. I can't remember. I can't remember how aggressively you talked herself into Joe Forte in that In that draft diarrhea. But we can talk about that. It was fairly aggressive. So what they would show forte. He actually was good at North Carolina like in the two thousand NCA tournament. He made big plays. And you know I think there there was some stuff going on with him. May Be off the court that derailed him to some digress. I'm not sure what position he was. It's a classic like Oh this guy will translate as a pro and then he gets to the pros during like well. You're six two and a half but you're not a point guard. What are you those guys with? Very rare exceptions don't seem to make it but I remember one of the things. Think back to this draft the Tony Parker thing lingering. Nineteen Year Old. French point guard and being like all right. That sounds great. But what are the odds? This guy is GonNa make it. His nineteen is from France and he plays point guard. We've seen young point guards get chewed up. Left and right When you think back to how you were looking at this draft in two thousand one do you remember what storyline? You're the most interested in I think it was. I think it was the the big men and the high school. You know the peak of taking guys out of high school and you have. We'll talk about the the all of that. I assume but you know just Curry Chandler. Gamay like is this. The wave of the future is this. Just how the Bids GonNa be now taking taking high school guys. In all these seven footers coming into wants that was definitely the main storyline and then there was like some some like you know our p like Eddie Griffin was sort of like weird skilled. Big Guy like people didn't know what to do with a ham and then the but but I remember the I remember the big guys at the top obviously and the contrast with Batty in particular like Classic College Polished Duke Guy Versus like these raw seven foot high school dudes the first four picks in the draft if you go to a basketball reference dot com our friends at basketball reference so. I get a lot of action these days. There's no college next to the first four picks how this all also in there And then the eighth pick to sign a diop no college and then Ladron Radovich number twelve seed. Six in the first twelve guys did not go to college which was really unusual. And now as I think a little more typical but and and your guy and your guy key Brad went to Oakland Yukata Walton Community College. Yeah Use Juke Guy. So basically seven of the top twelve guys were not college guys. There is a sense that we felt at the time that something was really shifting with the draft because by this point dirk was having real success as a foreign foreign player We started to hear the rumblings about Manu may be the spurs at lucked out. He was gonNA come over at some point and then with the high schoolers cagey was now. A top fifteen top twelve guy. Kobe was rounding into a superstar. And there is a sense of. Where's this going? Where's this heading? Is this GonNa be completely different in ten years? What's funny as this was really the last really super crazy. High scores all at the top of the draft cardio year it settled down after this and you look at the top. Four picks Washington ended the first pick and Michael Jordan Was I can't. He wasn't there yet. I think he was about to start. Those were owner. Oh he yeah he were hold on. I can't remember how many years he was out. But he was in charge of this draft and there is a famous he worked out with kwami. Brown thought he had a lot of dog home and and it was actually a A. It was a bad assessment. One of many reasons why Michael Jordan turned out to be a bad executive and owner but Washington had the first pick so yeah this was his to Washington seasons where Oh one zero two to three so he had this pick and one of the ironies of this draft. You've Jerry Krause in Chicago WHO's trying to trade out brand. Who is really bullish on? I WANNA get Tyson Chandler and Eddy Curry. I'm GONNA have basically the Highschool Mikhail and parish or the Macaire or the Sampson Malaysian. So Eddie out. Brain is for sale and Michael Jordan. Hey Jerry Krause so much the most logical move for him in so many different ways just flip the number one. Pick for out brand And then bring him in. You have repayments and they're already Jordan like you could actually have a playoff team right away but he hated Jerry. Krause so much ends up taking kwami Brown. Do you feel like Kwami. Brown could have made it in a if we play his career. Ten Times is there six versions of the Quami Barranco rare where he's like an all star and all star is strong like? I don't think he ever showed enough on offense to to be an all star but to your point like his career was Troubled so immediately by his wizards experience. Which is what is the name of that book about. Jordan's timing the wizards in Washington. Polite away yeah. It's like when winning is all that matters or something like that. It's a fantastic Jordan I think Jordan hates the book. And you probably should. Because it's just an unfiltered look and one of the subplots of it is just how he famously just kind of broke. Kwame Brown so I think there probably is a version of his career. That goes better. He sustained for a while in the NBA is like a solid post defender. Backup Big Kinda Dude and made a good amount of money. But I think there's definitely a version his crew that goes better but offensively like he just never really showed you much like ought to be an all star. You usually have to be a pretty damn good offensive player. I don't think ever showed that well. Unfortunately he crosses paths with MJ IN HIS FORMATIVE YEARS. Stubborn old angered everybody. I'm Jay then. Eventually ends up on the Lakers with Kobe. I would say those were. The two were teammates. He could have had for if you're talking about a fragile guy with potential. Who in a different circumstance? Maybe there's an arc where he makes it. We talked on the nineteen ninety eight draft about Nowitzki. How fortunate he was just end up in Dallas. He ends up with the perfect coach. Don Nelson he ends up with Steve Nash. Who takes him under his wing? That I share nuits is super lonely. He's not happy in the NBA. He's wondering if he made a mistake. It's the lockout year it's fifty games. It's a lot at once. There's a lot of pressure on him. He wants as he's like second guessing that decision to come at that time and his two. He's got Mark Stein. And Steve Dash basically being no no. It's good and and he rides it out and he makes it but think like there's an alternate universe where he goes to. I don't know or he goes to Memphis Milwaukee instead of them right and maybe he's ends up in Germany in two years like I'm just happier in Europe so I look at qual- thought he was really athletic. Those earlier's member the second half of his career. There are all these defensive metrics that he was actually like a really really really good defensive player and you could do real stuff on defense like he was a decent to good defensive player for sure. See have him. Steve Washed and they were found that the clippers eligible Taylor. I wrote this in the draft. Made maybe the only good trade of his entire GM tenure until two thousand six flips tight Tyson Chandler pick number two for out brand and bison early on this really professional. Non Clipper kind of Guy. Who just is a pro handles his business who's an automatic twenty ten and that was a fantastic trade Third Pick was Atlanta and I think POW GUSAU. Not Maybe enthusiastic about going there. There was some sort of something that they they'd love. They ended up slipping him doing this whole Memphis trade him right and so he goes there. Chicago's got the fourth pick according to my draft. Ira they're doing a whole smokescreen. How much they want. Power saw really they WANNA curry? They WANNA do the Chandler Curry Combo. So those were the first four picks. I felt this way in the moment. It's an and especially as it evolved and we knew Powell is good pretty quickly. It's always been interesting to me that M. J. never went never sniff POW that if he was going to take a gamble on a young forward that he wouldn't have clicked better power. I don't know enough about the background of that Bo. Do you remember anything about that. Why they didn't gravitate toward pal. I don't remember I don't remember. Maybe it was too much of an unknown. Maybe there was still sort of like do. I trust the international guys kind of thing going on at that point. I don't know I don't know why. But how walked in the League and was was pretty damn good. 'cause if you're a wizards fan you look back at this and you go. Oh man we could have had pound rip Hamilton basically two years apart we had. Mj Who was still at twenty point score at the time and the League was pretty weak back then. And I think Powell at least could've put points right away. The Quami thing was just just went badly on a lot of expectations to. I'm glad you defended the The clippers acquisition of Elton brand. Can we talk a second about Elton Brand? Just walks in the league as a rookie and averages twenty and ten like as a rookie walked in twenty and ten you can tell me about the limitations of his game like you know how. How much brandon his prime drive winning? I think I think he's actually underrated in that aspect. Because we've sort of we've sort of downplayed post scoring and he wasn't a three point shooter and he wasn't like a seven footer with shop locking skills that at an elite level and all that but Elton brand was freaking good and Tyson Chandler for Elton brand. I mean that is like a crazy challenge trade. That is an amazing trade. That's like it's not quite Luca for trae because those guys were drafted at the same time. But it's like age wise. Those guys were so like Elton was twenty. One I think at the time of that trade that you don't see a lot of traits like that and Elvin was to walk in the League as twenty and ten guys really really hard. Well the other thing Tyson was a local kid and I think people felt like the clippers. We're GONNA take the local kid day. Didn't WanNa take another kid and they don't even though he was only head into his third year. I think is just you know he. He's now that he was always kind of a mature younger guy and I think they they really valued that In unbelievable trade really like would you think of all the bad trades. Elgin Baylor made and how great that one was. You talked about how he was underrated. We talked about this a little bit. Nine pod Elton in that Oh five oh six quicker season when they really could have made the finals that year. I think I was going to those games. L. Was like twenty five and eleven every single night and was weirdly valuable on defense to I. I thank God that your was mobile. He was smart. He has super long arms. That made up for like kind of his lack of fight. At least when he played some five he was like in August that year. He was amazing that was his best year and then he was automatic. Other than that. You're twenty and ten. Before he tours Achilles he was he was a walking twenty and ten. Who was a good smart defensive player and you could go to him at least that you're at the end of games which wasn't always the case with him but that year he he was. I gotta say a Little Dunkin Ish Is that was? The Dunkin. Apex was kind of on the tail end but he was somebody that every night. I went to a Cook Gamma Dombrowski scored twenty five points tonight. There weren't a lot of guys in the week and then Philly does sing. About what Philly does he tears his Achilles and we're still all in we're still here's all the money or almost all the money not quite all the money but almost all of them. I think it was not going all the money we can throw at you. Yeah you just suffered a torn Achilles. We'll bring you over. I'm actually reading Audrey with dollars book right now and Andre. I loved Elton Brand. He loves he loves it. He got to play with like old out and Brandon Philly and he really gravitate toward L. andbranch learn a lot about managing money and just like to talk black history with all sorts of stuff but he talked about how I believe. If I'm getting all my details right if not forgive me I believe Eddie Jordan was the coach in Philly for part of that and they were trying to play the Princeton offense and Andre talks about how Elton occasionally would be like fuck this Princeton off and I just got. I just got to get some numbers I gotta get some touches. I gotTa Get some post touches and Andre had this weird like he kind of. Didn't like it when Elton break the offense. Because it's not how I'm not a Princeton offense again. Just give me the ball dumped me the ball and get a score bucks but he also kind of respected. How Elton would just be like nope. It's my it's my time now. We're not ready to prison off. It's L. E. Kinda respected it Isla. I really liked his game. Great Trade for the clips So one other thing. Which cargo did this year where they're in year three of the post? Mj rebuilding project. Which in the M J documentary. That's coming on. Espn from our friend. Jason Hare it. It's never truly bent. Explained why the Bulls were like. Yeah cool we're done with this done winning titles with Phil Jackson Jordan. Pippen thing like it ends this year And I wrote a column for US probably three years ago when I was trying to figure out what team Lebron was gonna go to in two thousand eighteen When it became clear like around January February that he probably wasn't going back to Cleveland. But where was it going to go? We didn't have a team and it was the same dilemma Jordan. Had that year and I'm always going to think that's why he retired. Because they're blowing up the bulls play anywhere else. There wasn't really a situation for him other than maybe the next the next nab the cap space to sneak them in he. He wasn't GonNa the Lakers. He wasn't really. There is no other place from Nagoya so he retired and I think that was a little bit of the situation. Lebron was in two thousand eighteen. He goes to the Lakers. Because it's Los Angeles Great. I get to move there. Basically the two thousand eighteen season is gonNA sock but maybe we'll make some moves after that So anyway a I never understood why they blew it up. I think there was a lot of organizational arrogance. We're in year three of that. Mj Blow a plan. And now they're blowing it up a second time. They're doing building around the too high schoolers. And when you think about how long this took. They made the playoffs in five with a lot of fun team first round. They were a little frisky. Had some guys in there but it was a six year. Run just to lose in six in round one. And then it craters again they end up getting derrick rose and then they get rejuvenated but it was really. They threw a decade stu bad it's hard the NBA can be unforgiving man. What's your bad if you don't get the right guy in the draft. If you don't get lucky a couple of times like you can be bad for a long time and the Bulls were bad for long time. Then they were good for a long time as much as Garen. Packs are getting hammered now and demoted now like they they had a decent run there for a while before the last few years kind of Senate around the Butler trade where everything kind of went sour. I mean they they they. They had once they got rose. That was a good team for a while. Yeah and it seemed like if you were betting When it rose get hurt was at that was two thousand. Twelve playoff say eleven twelve season. Yeah so we at grant land. We launched Grantland June two thousand eleven and we never did this calm but if we did like who are the teams most likely to win the NBA title? We had done that October. Two or two thousand eleven. Whenever the lockout ended I think Chicago would have been one of the top three packs. I think we were Cog Oklahoma City Miami right. That's an injury that for anyone who was. That's that's a sort of a that's a you remember where you were when that injury happened because it was like it was a great. They were the number one seed. It was shaping up to be. Chicago and the Lebron heat like year after year after year in the playoffs. And you had the sense of the Bulls like they just. They didn't fear Miami. Like Noah and Taj Gibson. Those dudes like love to duke it out with Miami. They hated the Bron- like it had a chance to be a rivalry. And I think that's one of the things when people look back on the bronze salmon. Miami is the East like Indiana sort of just slipped into this in the east and I think we're going to be debating for a long time. Like how good was that. Pacers team really that good or were the product of the conference. That just didn't have another capital t team to to challenge Miami like the Bulls are supposed to be that team and you had even though as an ACL and people recover pretty well from those. Now I even at that moment given the way. The Derrick rose played it. Had this feel of like ooh like things just changed forever. I agree eight sometimes with an ACL. You go like Klay Thompson and like he'll be back in the year he'll be fine with rose. It was like taking one of the most carefully built five hundred thousand dollars talion race cars and just watching. It crashed wall and then have somebody to tell you. Yeah the car should be finding like. I don't know man. That was a pretty bad the way he played the Torque put on the lower part of his body. It just seemed like Oh man how is he going to come back from this mentally and as we saw took how many years five I mean for you never got back to it you know. I mean he never got back to that form ever. I mean he was. Mvp Year before he's never approached that that level he's a he's a good player now in the NBA is rebuilt himself into a good useful NBA player. That's the credit to him. Two thousand playoffs. The Celtics ended up creeping into the conference finals and coming very close to sneaking into the finals with their on fumes of their fumes. At this point that team they were like five hundred for a three month stretch. I think in two thousand twelve the the other one the other one that was kind of missed opportunity team Other than Chicago was Brooklyn. Because if I'm just looking at those four Miami years I don't I will never understand what happened to Darren Williams but on paper with the talent they had when they added Cagey impure state year. That should have been an awesome team. And for whatever reason Darren Williams was already done with his prime even though. He was the same age as Chris. Paul if you put like an actual twenty ten Darren Williams the guy from two thousand eight on that nets team with all those pieces. I think that would have been a really tough team for Miami. Beat but he just wasn't the same guy thought going to be really good And they just like you said just it just didn't work. I never I I not. I'm not sure how much believe that. They were going to challenge Miami but they had the potential to be really really good. And Yeah the twenty playoffs. That's the uncut gems playoffs. Now that's the uncut when they slog it out Boston Philly and one of my everyone you you just have these some images just stick with you from Games in like some people forget certain things. Like one of the things always remember from that playoffs. Game seven Miami. Boston Brandon Bass ends up being the guy the Celtics asked to guard Lebron down the stretch of that game and crunch time. Third and fourth quarters like they're out of ideas they've this is the last idea that they've come up with. He had like a few possessions in the previous game where he looks pretty good. They're like Oh yeah Brandon Bass. That's going to be how we're going to get through just like they're just out of ideas. Yeah I remember. Making a couple of massive shots just heartbreaker shots that fourth quarter but yeah all right so the rest of this Top Ten and GOES GOLDEN STATE MEMPHIS and I had in that draft. Ira MEMPHIS takes shame. Badea and stern is a bullion. It's so it's the first time he's happy. It's a four year senior Duke. He's just so happy to have an adult in the draft. The Nets are seven and they make the biggest traders draft other than brand trade. It's a pretty crazy trade actually When you really sit down and look at how much they traded for Eddie Griffin. So they're picking seventh Houston has thirteen eighteen and twenty three and they out I got Freddie Griffin misspoke. Yea So the nets say. We'll give you the Eddie Griffin. Pick number seven who's got a lot of value For the people who don't remember him he's dead now but he was this guy from Seton Hall who had been in a lot of stuff but was really talented mallet so it's like a modern NBA talent to write like a potential multiple. Oh Mba guy. If you could just keep him in check who'd you compare him to do you remember? I don't really remember his game that much at this point but I remember him being a an all around score tall guy you know. I don't know if he was technically seven feet but an all around score. Looks like a guy that you could a guy who a big guy at dependent potential to play inside and out and exploit mismatch is just like across the board. Whoever that whoever comes to mind for that description for some reason I wanna say Michael Porter is that fair to what we have in our head of. How good porter could be that. That's kind of how remember feeling about Eddie Griffin? I think he could post up a little more. So Houston says we'll give you thirteen eighteen and twenty three for seven six three first round picks just to move up six spots which is a bad as big of a price as we've seen other than like the Chris Webber trader support that the nets as sure they have At this point they have already made the Jason Kidd Trade. They are to have any Martin they already have Kerry kittles they end up taking Richard Jefferson thirteenth. So it's going great with the eighteenth. Pick Zach Randolph on the board take Jason Collins Instead and then with the twenty third pick they take Brandon Armstrong for pepperdine yet. Didn't go well and one of those two like one and a half or three Jason calls was a useful. Nba Players Zach Randolph. You can play that game with a lot of guys but like just causes good. Mba DECENT NBA player from a talent standpoint it. It felt like Randolph at fallen too far and he was another guy who people had some head case questions about But they take brain. Strong Gerald Wallace is twenty five. Sandown bears twenty six. Tony Parker's twenty-eight Gilbert Arenas thirty one there's a world in which the nets traded Griffin and built a dynasty. Yeah 'cause they could even if they had taken Richard Jefferson Zach Randolph. Tony Parker which is conceivable That's a monster hall. So then the other plot bears the Celtics have ten ten eleven and twenty one. And if you're a celtics fan which I was at the time I was still living in Boston. They had Paul Peirce St Anton Walker. We've got Rick Pitino We there's momentum. Kenny Anderson was whatever Tony bootees whatever they have role players but you think like man if we nail this draft and it's deep draft We could really be set here unfortunately for the Celtics it was a nine player drafted the tenth pick. So why did somebody bought? Somebody needed to do something dumb in here. Come THE CLEVELAND cavs. They take the sign of Diop eighth and everything falls into place. Joe Johnson falls to the Celtics attend the Cajun Brown. Pick number eleven. You remember the story of this Peck Right. Oh yes so they have a Denver. Pick that they can just roll over two thousand two in. Its top five protected road over again. It becomes unprotected in two thousand three. The nuggets are one of the worst franchises in the league. They have no real young anything yet. They do not have a pick in this draft because the Celtics are taking it to. Something's just said. You keep that pick. We're going to roll it over there. Only get in the eleventh pack and then in o-3. It's Carmelo Anthony. Which is the pick the Celtics Agai the weirdest thing about this to Celtics Deep Divey? But they had all these luxury tax fears and fifty games into this two thousand one two season. They Trade Joe Johnson. Apparently they gave Phoenix to pick Joe Johnson or CAJA BRAND. You can have either. They pick Joe Johnson. The Celtics throw in two thousand and two first round. Pick and get Rodney Rogers. Tony delk back. They're so excited that you brought up that trade because I remember at the time this is near the Celtics. Make the conference finals and lose to the nets. I remember at the time twenty five year. Old Twenty four year old me. Then he got twenty Belkin Rodney. Rogers as you said Tony. Delk was twenty eight and like okay. Rodney Rogers like a very intriguing. Both faceted big man who could shoot threes and do some stuff. I remember at the time being like that is one of the most aggressive win now trades. I can't remember given the like that. Celtic seem wasn't that good like that wasn't a team that you would be like. They're they're Rodney Rogers away from being a championship. Contender was that was not being like the east stinks. Were not very good. Let's get freakin crazy. And that trade. In retrospect like Belkin Rogers had some moments for the Celtics in that very strange playoff. Run that they had like that is a crazy trade. That's a crazy trade Chris Wallace I remembered liking the trade at the time But thinking they paid a heavy price with Joe Johnson and never for a million years understanding why they also had to throw in the first round pact. You were produce. This is probably why they did it. Because they're so starved for that at that point from for like post bird anything like poachers. Give us a playoff run of any kind. Yeah will lose in the conference finals. But it'll be worth it because they'll just be so fun like teams talk themselves into that and the Patriots just won the Super Bowl. Did they changed at one or did they win the Dow? I know what I really. There's a lot of a minimum of like the Celtics are good. The Celtics are fun. Forget these other to pieces. Maybe a win. The problem is they traded for to bench guys. And you're right. This is a trade that if it happened now the Internet would riot. You'll be like Joe Johnson's good you're giving him for. You're giving up a Joe Johnson after fifty games for like a seventh man and an eighth man. What are you guys doing like nowadays? They would never do that. You'd probably be able to get both of those guys for the two thousand two first round pad yet and Joe Coretec tag and yet there are Celtics fans. Maybe you are one of them. Who Will Whisper very quietly? You know we actually. Kinda played the Lakers. Tough that year. If we had made the finals like you never know you never know. I'm like yeah. I know shock would have smashed her entire team into smithereens and four games. Will you still here man if we had just gone by the net? You never know we give those Lakers seems trouble in the defense of those celtics that which include myself with my dad. He played the Lakers off of that year. Paul Peirce is a problem for them. We won in La. I wanted to play them. I remember thinking if we just kept by the nets we can give this laker steamer run. It would have been that. Oh to Lakers team. That was worn out for that kick series two. Who Does Paul Pierce Get taught Okay so we had that. So plot so celts have ten eleven and twenty one and a chance to really really really lay the groundwork. There's a ton of rumors in Boston at the time. They're gonNa Take Tony Parker number twenty one. He came on my podcast. I think in two thousand thirteen in I'd always heard they're gonNA take him so I I asked him and you can find this clip. I think it's on Youtube. How close was it? He said they gave him the hat he still. Does it? Totally know what happened from when they gave him the Celtics at? You're going to get caught up to the stage. To all the sudden the Celtics took Joe Forte. There's been a lot of blame passing. That's gone around Chris. Wallace almost immediately was like that was read our backs. Favor repairing the draft Joe Forte was at the radar. Back Camp I still feel like radar. Back was an eight year old man at that point. Where are you listening to him on? The twenty-first packed like do. What's best for your team? The Parker would if of this because there's so many different things that play out. He falls to twenty-seven the spurs end up winning. How many more titles? Because he falls to twenty-seven could you I don't envy P he's A. Tony Parker is the two thousand seven finals. Mvp with thing. Is I think Dunkin. The over unders probably three for titles. He just should win because he was tim. Duncan I think I think Parker adds to could be. I think that pick adds at least two. Titles 'cause two thousand fourteen also would be one. Yeah and then I would say maybe oh five or seven one of those. He swings one of them. So so that happens. So those were the The big subplots So I have a scrap rating crapshoot rating for every draft. Okay in retrospect what what what kind of crafts you was an a scale one attend. I gave this a seven point. Five seems lower. I'm a redraft standpoint. Yeah it's it's it's because I mean need the two thousand draft is infinity. Draft is a ten. So you know I'm A. I'm a hard grader. For comedy standpoint. Some great ones here. This is a draft telecast where they use rip. Petito as a TNT guest analyst. You love it. Not sure whether they did that he was. Guy Traded Vitality Papago for unprotected lottery. Pick but The Bulls to get current number four. Rick Pitino congratulated Jerry Krause on a successful bluff and I said that and I said in the draft. That's the kiss of death when Patino part of your Patino animus was very fresh in raw. It's fresh and Ron. Two thousand twenty my friend. So that that's the moment when it occurs around At Number Twenty Six amd Albert got selected by the sixers came out of the stands. Yup To my knowledge. The first time this ever happened. Nobody has time. Yeah so it's amazing. Like security to take them out thinking he was like some crazed fan but it was actually saying. Oh Dal unbear- Spoilers Sam. Del Bears in my Redraft Lottery Oh we hope so. He shouldn't a lottery pick for me and then Do later in the draft Patino called. Tony Parker Troy Parker Multiple Times. And then when when Parker actually got taken in the twenty seven th pick at Berkeley and this draft and he said I don't know that much about him but they got him in the first round so he must be a good player. This is when networks just did not care who is doing the draft. It's like you're famous. Huby Brown is in this draft for some reason More of that. Tony Parker pick the lore on one end is definitely read are back Blandford Boston. Not Picking Tony Parker and the lower on the other end is that was the that was the time the young Sam frosty was like I'm staking my claim. This is the guy we should take in San Antonio. That's the young that the legend I you know Sam. I don't know that he's never talked publicly about if he did. I'm sure he went deflect credits everyone else but the story that has been told in the media and elsewhere is that's that's young. Prestia was the guy who brought Tony Parker in for a second workout. 'cause he bombed the first one popped in like him like this. I'm staking my reputation. This is a good player. Let's take him. Would you put that above or below Russell Westbrook in two thousand eight? Which was a huge reach when they did that. The other people that wanted to take Brook Lopez's instead I mean anytime you're in the well it works. It's twenty eight makes it seem more impressive like last pick in the first round but also by then it's sort of like your risk is a little bit lower because if you blow the twentieth pick no one ever remembers that if you blow the fourth pick and it's a reach people really remember that. I thought the Westbrook pick was really Bazi. Resilient I've talked about when did the two thousand draft I loved Westbrook and college never millionaires? Thought he was a top floor pick. He just seemed like a little bit of a project as a guard was unclear. What position he was. He clearly something but I mean they took a had a steph curry and Brook Lopez and people that we knew we were going to be good pros. Yeah I think I think I'm buying into your argument. That the Westbrook pick is ball's ier just because aware took place in the draft. I'm GonNa Steph Curry Kevin Curry and Kevin Advising Steph Curry's in my favorite draft. Yeah we're doing that for your part couple- couples Zack's from Zach. Cram the ringer zone. He said the two thousand one draft six all NBA players. Ninety six is the only draft in the laterally with more sediment. Oh Wow okay. The average player from the two thousand one draft tallied twenty six point one career wind shares the fourth most the latter era behind ninety six three and ninety nine okay. Kwami Brown averaged six point. Six career points third worst for any number one picks since the invention of the shot clock trailing only can yes although a candy no he he put up buckets. He was like double figures for his career. Yeah you're right now. There's one easier one my blanking on it. I'll give you hint hint. Anthony Bennett. Oh wow see I was. I was trying to wrack my brain further back than that. Y- Anthony Bennett. That's the that's the other one. You won't get Larue Martin. The Guy Portland a famous one. Anthony Bennett yet. That's a bad one. That's crazy draft to get out and that's a fun draft Zach says Gilbert Arenas ranks tenth in total career. I've been peaked value. If you look at their best five seasons he ranked second from this draught. That's the biggest difference for any player in any draft in the latter era. While tell you I'll tell you right. Now he's going high on Zach Lowe a drought there you go and then our top drafted this year. Mo- Evans the Immortal Jafari of moon like Jamaica mood and Carlos Arroyo who had like a cup of coffee of saving really good there for a while then became good international eleven fan but I remember remember that one year was that Carlos Arroyo kind of looks like John Stockton Great Fiba Player to okay and then that's it all right. We're doing the redraft. You went the first pick of the second. Pick Golden State draft. Oh boy I'm gonNA give you the first pick your the guest. Okay years giving it to me Do I. It's almost like with David. Stern gave the Knicks. That number. Pick in Nineteen eighty-five then pretended he was pulling out of. I think this is an easy one. PALCA soul is the first pick in the draft for me. Make the case. Do I mean do I have to spell castle? That's my that's my the only competition is Tony Parker To me the only competition is Tony. Parker's paolantonio it's everybody else. I soon. We'll be picking Tony Parker now and I just think size all around skill I was a good defender. At peak and underrated defender at his peak is passing his ability to blend in any offense. Yes it was funny when we do these exercises. I'm kind of drafting like halfway for what the NBA was like then and half way for what the MBA is like. Now so yeah POW POW wows game I think is less fitted to twenty twenty NBA. Then like twenty Parker's gamble though. Tony Parker never became an off the dribble. Three point shooter I just think POW better. I think peak Powell was better than peak. Tony Parker period. That's it that's my case. They've they've made the same number of all star teams. Statistically I mean you know Powell had a few more points whatever I just I just think house better power comes in as a rookie puts up seventeen point six points nine rebounds two blocks a game thirty six point seven minutes a game and Joe. House is just going insane in that. They took me Brown. He's going to these wizards games going. Kwami Brown looks like he needed like four more years of college. Go to college and spend all four years there before something happens. Powell is good immediately and from two thousand to two thousand sixteen which is fifteen years and a thousand fifty five games. He played thirty five minutes a game. He averaged an eighteen and a nine and a half and almost two blocks. Six kids are sentenced to Damas Parker. So I went back and forth really really hard on this and I gave. Parker was number one on my board. Wow I like it. I mean look. It's you can make you can make the argument peak. Tony Parker was a was a an all. Nba Level Player mcpeek. Tony Parker was a great great player. Here's my case and this is just you know I like to hold grudges and to ends and I and sites I never liked how ended the Memphis thing. It really bothered me. I don't think he gets enough of a penalty for in historical thing. I think he was an incredible player. I really liked him. I thought he was the two thousand ten finals. Mvp He never won it. But I thought he was the best part in that series. I thought he was absolutely immense in game. Seven which resigned recently nineteen eighteen rebounds. It's the Mohegan four engaged the most important game of pogo souls career in the NBA. That was egging. I sat behind the basket that they were scoring on in the second half for game seven because I was doing like a live chat. Espn thing which. I wish. I had I wish I had written about that series. Instead the live chat thing but Kazaa was a fucking man in that game he really was and he's going against there's no Kendrick Perkins Perkins is hurt going against Keiji. Who's eighty five percent of Cagey at that point? Eighty three. He's going against a pretty spirited Rasheed. Wallace sutures burned out late. Thirty five minutes laboring but spirited both at first half spirited second-half needs like a lung transfusion and and There's some was there some big baby that year. There's one other guy that had but you know a competitive celtics team sheltered some cameos in that series. Oh my God. I might've famous. There's a famous Sheldon Williams throwing away. Inbounds pass at the end of the half. It might have actually been game seven where everyone where everyone agreed in the moment like gets like Sheldon Williams. You can't just get out of the premise. Like he just needs to leave. I could in my celtics lifetime. That's only happened a few times in a playoff game. Because I remember one time Fred Robertson the ADA Detroit series. And I think I went to the game. It was game. Five was when the Pistons finally flipped it And somebody fouls out Zig Mikhail fouls out and Fred Robertson. That point. Everyone's just done with them. But somebody asked to come in. And there's like a murmuring of you could just twenty thousand people gone man. I hope it doesn't put in Fred Roberts and Fred Roberts stands up on the bench to go in and the crowd goes no. You could honestly hear it but the Sheldon website was same thing. I think he was like minus eight two minutes in game seven. It was so crazy stat so anyway. I have lots of SPEC FOR POW. I actually thought he was underrated Both on those Lakers teams and just as a pro. I didn't like the Memphis thing and so it was that little I felt like it was like dead even between him and Parker. It's funny by coincidence. I just on Saturday did one of those NBA instagram wives. Things with Powell And I taught so I prepared by talking to people that know pal and we're talking about Memphis. New is like super super frustrated in Memphis. The losing they just weren't going anywhere. They want zero playoff games. They got swept every year in the playoffs. He was there but when he got traded. Somebody told me he was like actually unhappy like his first reaction by going to the Lakers. That he was upset at unhappy heads. Kinda like like did I. Did I play this right and then very quickly realize oh? I'm on an awesome team and then POW POW talked about why he felt though. But it's interesting that we remember it is this as this sort of frustrated guide trying to push his way out of town and then when it happens first reaction is sadness more than elation well and. I think there is a fear at that point plan with Kobe which cannot be understated. You know his. He had those three straight years and he was a difficult teammate. And I'm sure he was like. Oh Shit now it's like I got my wish. I'm on a different team. But now the stakes are going to be different. He fit in immediately with that team. Though people people someone on that team told me no one ever ever before or since picked up the triangle offense faster than POW. It was just instant like he got it. He didn't need to be told anything. You understood it immediately. I don't know what the right pick is with this. So so like the Oh seven grizzlies. They had Mike Miller who was eighteen and a half a game forty one percent from three probably his best year that he had a young gay. They had Damon Stoudamire Chucky Atkins Data Chemo Little Dante Jones. Some late Coretta Jones like wasn't a bad team and yet they went twenty two and sixty and I feel like I just don't think Powell is a number one guy now. I'm not sure Tony Parker was either but I the reason I I had parker slightly higher on my board was he was. He was such an unstoppable offensive guy for so long And like weirdly. You look back at the thirteen finals which we both covered. And there's that moment in game six when he's hurt he's playing with like he had a bad near bad remember and he just takes over with three minutes left. He's playing against one of the best teams we've had in the last twenty five years and he takes over the game and it seems like they're going to win because of all the stuff he's doing. I never felt like Powell is as good as Tony was in that kind of stretch or even Tony in two thousand fourteen Tony. Oh seven finals. Tony's Tony's kind of offensive apex was just I felt a tad higher. But I honestly I feel like this is one a. One B. and I don't feel close. Tony was a twenty points scored twice in his career They'll jump shot. The long three never really came but he did eat adds a monster playoff moments in in game one of that series in two thousand thirteen. He hit the jumper dice game. I mean he was a monster that you're I don't you know I think POW was better. They both made all NBA four times. It's it's an argument so it's a IT'S A. It's a tough argument. It's a great one. Tony Two thousand nine twenty two and seven fifty one percent shooting one of the things I liked about him was that he could have an impact and didn't need to have a high usage rate. This was not like a Russell Westbrook situation. This was like he didn't need the ball that much when he gave it to him. He could score his teammates. Even Alaikum I think other teams really hated playing him you know. How many guys can you remember being like? Oh man they they completely throttle Tony. Parker like it did feel. It always felt like you could get wherever he could go. I remember on Instagram. A couple weeks ago. Somebody had a minute long clip of Tony Parker spin moves the three sixty driving three sixties. He has to peak toy breathtaking yet. He would have stretches where despite not having the sort of vertical athleticism or explosiveness of like a Westbrook. He would have stretches where you would think. How does anyone keep this guy with from the rim like you can't keep them away from the basket which is pretty remarkable series not that bigger stronger athletic dude at the rim to yeah so from an all MBA standpoint? Both of these guys made it right. A four-time all NBA. That's something you and I both value the NBA's 'cause that's basically it's an announcement you're either one of the best ten or fifteen guys in the week. It's really the only document we have that. You're doing arguments matters. All right you have the third pick So if we had done this draft correctly or if the teams in the moment democratically Washington would've had POW Gusau and then. We're Tony Parker to the clippers would grade from the third pick. Seems pretty obvious to me but I am interested to see what you do here. Well I'M GONNA I'm gonNA reach a little bit because he didn't have the best career of of All of these that are candidates for this pick But I'm going with the Zach cramped peak value method. I'm picking Gilbert Arenas because I know that Gilbert Arenas and in his prime now maybe I can't prevent the knee injuries. I Dunno I can maybe prevent some of the other unpleasantness that derailed his career in Washington. Yeah but I know if I'm drafting like I said halfway halfway for now I know I can plug peak Gilbert Arenas new NBA offense and he can run fifty pick and rolls again. Make off the dribble threes and be a guy that is going to make my team on offense at least really really good and so. I'm drafting for peak value on picking Gobert arenas third. I remembered reading some calm when he was on the warriors and kind of not dismissing him but just not gave him credit for being really an essay yet and getting a couple impassioned emails back when people said civilly bills. Instead of just being like you fucking Sauk. Sac Talk You. This is the era of like. Hey I'm GonNa send what my favorite thoughtful email that he might have gotten this wrong and I got all these emails from the worst fans are saying. Hey you should watch Gilbert that Gilbert's coming on in a real way like something's happening here and at that point the worst socked There was really no reason to watch him on league. Pass unless I was like going into the game or they're on TNT or something on my guard. I'll I'll Gilbert a whirl and it was like. Oh what's this going to be? He's going to be a restricted free agent member. They ain't. They changed the rules because of his restricted. Free Agency there is now the Gilbert Arenas rule right so Washington comes in. They come flying in off the top rope and they grab Gilbert and houses like what's going on Mike House I've been. I watched this guy a couple times. This guy is. This is an amazing move for you. You might have gotten whatever but he was actually turned into a superstar like there is probably a two year stretch there where he is on the level of t. Mac and all these guys. And what's interesting is. I actually think Pete. Gilbert was a higher level than any season Vince. Carter had except for that one awesome house one season. Hey honestly like if you're just talking about who did more offensively Euler. Gobert Gilbert Jr is brought more of the table. Pete Gilbert was twenty nine and six on like eight threes or seven threes a game which in two thousand and sixty thousand seven. There weren't many people shooting seven or eight threes. A game We'll look at look at his two thousand six season and tell me the two things that jump out seven threes again. Seven attempted threes again. Thirty seven percent and ten free throws Ten game so he's basically he's hardened james hearted two thousand six but there's no possessions back that people remember how slow was back then twenty nine and six and so like the the hardest thing to find in the NBA is a legitimate offensive fulcrum who can be the number one guy every possession on an above average offense. I was he your pick for three at three You have the floor. It was either him or Joe. Johnson Gilbert for three years from five toast. Seven was twenty eight and six years peak value. And I'm just. I'm imagining that. My team has a healthy team culture. We're going to nurture all we're GONNA make all the right decisions off the floor on the floor. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA WE'RE NOT GONNA be we're not going to be the jail blazers we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA WHO's relevant for one of the Pixel. It's coming up a we're GONNA have a good culture. I'm going to get the best Gilbert Arenas for a decent amount of time. Oh six that series against Cleveland. That was just Kinda Of Really Fun Playoffs and that was a fun series six games. He plays forty seven point three minutes a game. Ridiculous in the six playoff games. Thirty four points. A game lead the lead the player but went toe to toe with With Brian and what are the things I liked about him and where I think you know he was all MBA third team? Third Team Second Team for three straight years. Vince was Vince. Doesn't have anything like that. Three or stretch one of the things I liked about him is he really honestly believed. He was better than Lebron James in the pleasures. Those wizards teams were just so they wanted all of it. They want they wanted everything. Bring everything on. I think I don't think that's the wrong. Pick 'cause you you at least know you're getting four top fifteen seasons of guy. I thought I had Joe Johnson kind of three eight three B with Gobert. Couple things Joe He. He made seven all star teams which I was shocked by. He only made one third team on bay. His name is on. It is almost seven time. All Star. Joe Johnson. I mean that's almost like how people refer to him for that reason because people on the all stars next to each other like how did he make the spending all star teams the Job Johnson? The Joe Johnson Hall of fame debate is going to be frisky. It's GONNA BE A. There's going to be people who are like Joe Johnson. And then they're going to be like well twenty thousand point seven. All Star Games. Whatever whatever it is. There's it's going to be like if you you have to let in Joe Johnson and Tom Chambers. If you're letting Joe Johnson Tom Chambers then has to get in I think but His First Five Hawks seasons twenty two five and six I was shocked by his stats on the o five sons. A team that I really loved watching he He was forty seven percent from three that year. Taken like five game and when he gets hurt That to me. That's the big. What if Joe Johnson in the case for him for being the third pick in this draft is if he just stays with Steve Dash? Just how about this? Stay with the best point guard and one of the best teammates we've had in the last thirty years on a style that's uniquely suited to all the things. You're good at to stay there. Stay there and be in contention. He goes Atlanta. And it's just like or pay or a him if the blame the sun's pay him keep him do whatever it takes to keep him. 'cause it is remarkable that you know the Celtics stratum is a rookie in that deal. We talked about earlier and then the son's when he's still very young are like yeah or did they just can't work it out and so he ends up on this sort of like it does. Nba Backwater at the time. The hawks get really good. That hawks team like everyone sort of looks at them as this poster team for like upper crust mediocrity like. It'll you don't Wanna be the Joe Johnson Hawk skin out in the second round all the time but like that was a good team. There's a there's a good NBA team and he was well. The keep thing with Joe Johnson the contract kind of overwhelmed half of his career. He made so much money and it was so ridiculous that he just became overrated and he wasn't over e game based on what I want for the two guard position Here's a guy who can score twenty two twenty two points a game and he'll make four out of every ten threes like that good. That's what makes the next five or six picks interesting. Is that drafting from the perspective of twenty twenty. You have Joe Johnson. Richard Jefferson. Jane Batty Jason Richardson Wings. Who like now you'd be like? Yeah Joe Johnson played two three four like they all shoot. Threes there multi positional. And then you have like you have some guys who are more old school like Zebo or Tyson Chandler. Like how do you but had really great career? So how? I'm curious to see how we valued those sort of attributes. The Joe Johnson thing was the Celtics is tough because you just like came in if him and Paul Pierce together. It's not exactly the same but it's it's reminiscent of the tatum Brown Combo they have now or every team in the league would be like. Oh I'd love to have to win guys like that. I just build around those guys for ten years in you look back retroactively to go. They'd Paul Pierce Joe Johnson. And they just had that for twelve years. That seems like they should want to do that. And he was gone after fifty. Yeah I had Joe Johnson forth on my board after arena so we have the same top four guys in a different order but I joe Johnson for all right. So you're up you're got the fifth pick I went back and forth a lot of times on this for the reasons I just talked about about position on versatility and all that but in the end I just thought the raw talent of Zach Randolph couldn't be denied at this pick and even though he's not sexy in the position versatility shooting threes. He actually got off to quite a slow start in his career in Portland but I think at some point you just have to say he's the best guy of these guys he's the most talented guy and I'll find a way either to play inside out around him or maybe all coax him into shooting threes way earlier in his career than didn't really shoot threes into the last couple years of his career. Probably could have been a decent three point shooter if teams had actually directed his game that way and I will have a good healthy culture on my team for Young Zach. Randolph there is not gonNA be jail. Blazers Shenanigans going on so I- debated RJ debated batty as sort of like al-shabaab. Da Does win you know I debated a couple of other guys but I just went at some point. Eight straight years averaging eighteen points a game just a problem Zach. Randolf was a problem and so I went Zebo. I had him there as well. Twenty ten guy for from two thousand Ford through two thousand eleven the thing. So it's funny. He got he's at Portland. Gets traded is a key traits form. Everybody's like well that's the dumbest thing ever GonNa play Isaiah. Nettie Your Eddy Curry Zach randolf together and Isaiah was doing that. Whole the rest of the league's getting faster and has more shooting ominous zig the other way. I'M GOING TO GET BIGGER. And it was a disaster immediate going bully ball and it was like wow the and all the relatively smart basketball people like. He can't play those guys together. There'll never work defensively. You'RE GONNA get destroyed like please don't do that. He tried it. I went back and read old clips and it was. It was a trip to see New York Times. Era Howard back after twenty games writing. I guess scouts around the League are like one of these guys has to come off the bench. Because it's not working out with Eddie. Korean Zach Randolph. And like David Lee is getting lost in the shuffle. It's a disaster foof so he gets traded the clippers. I had season tickets. That was the era almost gave up my season tickets. After the season I run a diary of going to a game where it ends with their down to Zach Randolph. Airballs twenty nine footer. Coming out of a timeout to the game at that point there was Zach Randolph. Stock was like a penny. I would have not wanted Zach Randolph. Stock I was just like this guy's a loser puts a empty calories stats on bad teams. And that's where I'm landing but you look at that Memphis. He GOES TO MEMPHIS. Got Memphis. Got Him and it's just a straight salary like please take saccharin up. There were Quentin. Richardson was in that dealers. Like other stuff but Memphis got him for essentially free right they get him but I think that two thousand eleven season He's twenty and twelve and it goes into the playoffs and this is one of the loss. Great playoff upsets. 'cause we the Spurs now from eleven through fourteen. There's this second spurs run that's happening and in eleven they get just derailed by this crazy Memphis team. That's terrible matchup for them. For whatever reason I think they easily could have made the finals at year. Two thousand twelve. They're about to make the finals. And Okay see taps into this unbelievable potential they Dan. I'm not making it two thousand thirteen. They're up five with twenty seconds left. Blow it and then two thousand fourteen. They finally win but man. If you look back at that spurs run the over under for titles is easily to. It might even be two and a half. Considering what else happened in the League at that point and this two thousand eleven it was fucking bonkers memphis not only upset them. It was legitimate. It was like if those teams played twenty times. Eddie Memphis wins like fourteen or fifty. And just everything about it was a bad match up but a Jew. Nobody was injured and I believe the last game of the regular season that year. He heard his arm against Phoenix. I want to say miss the first game of that series in and but what people don't remember as much is the Spurs. Were coming off first round loss in. Oh nine getting drilled off the floor by the sons and the second round two thousand ten then they win sixty one gains in its discreet feel-good story and they lose in the first round. Yeah nobody's injured. There's like you know like some extenuating circumstances but that series after those two previous playoff series. That was a time when people were like. Maybe that's it like that. Losing a one eight series. Who's like people didn't see the twelve thirteen fourteen? Run COMING AFTER THAT SO I don't look at that necessarily as like one continuous run. I look at two thousand twelve particularly when they got. Do as the start of sort of a new identity of what the spurs were going to be. And you could see sprinkling you could. You could see coming in two thousand ten twenty eleven but when they lost that series that was when people most started loudly saying maybe it says over like maybe they're they're run as a championship. Contender is over and that totally wrong. They add collide. That summer. To the draft isn't isn't all sin Alzheimer Asphalt Alzheimer. I still think there's a world where the Spurs make the finals in eleven 'cause then the other thing that happened was member they're talking about. Do we trade? Tony Parker. Tony Parker might be the table. They ended up trading George show instead but there was a whole case for a while. They just lost the first round again. Got Shake it up. Maybe they maybe Parker as the most values in his prime and they flip show for the rest of that series was also the Marcus. All breakout series. Fourteen and twelve against the spurs in that series. And then just classic Tony Allen trick or treat toy kind of evolved into the The full fledged Tony. All right so I guess you got to six pick and now it gets really interesting so we went Palca Saal Tony Parker Gilbert Arenas Joe Johnson Zach Randolph. I'm taking Tyson Chandler with the six pack. Oh and here's my case. I think his career if you played it twenty times this is probably one of the worst versions of it. He goes to that Weird Chicago team. nothing goes right. Just you know hurts his back. That's a huge setback. gets traded to New Orleans with Chris. Paul great this is this is GonNa be awesome has a couple of good New Orleans years for them in. Oh eight he was almost. He was twelve and twelve regular season Sixty two percent shooting and then at some point he ends up on. Its UP ON CHARLOTTE. Do you remember why he ended UP ON CHARLOTTE? Do we have a record of that? Did he sign with them? transactions own involved traded at traded straight. Up for Mecca. Okeafor Makoko for this right. Yeah and up in Charlotte but then if you remember. There's this unbelievable fork in the road with him. Were okay for him. Yeah and then vetoes the trade because of a physical and he almost ends up on this team with the Baka durant and Westbrook as the Kendrick Perkins piece they would have kept Jeff. Green Trade for somewhere else says a couple of forks in the road there where I just feel like man in a different situation. He's better asked. Think as like a screen enroll guy in two thousand twenty. If you take mid-2000s Tyson Chandler. I think something happens there to other cases for him he's thirteen mile. Mba in two thousand twelve for the Knicks and then in the in the Dallas series even though the stats don't really measure the full impact. He's one of the reasons they won. That Dow the Miami Finals with a the defense of him and Marianne and just the way there was all the while. He was insanely good in those finals. Defensive Yeah Insanely Good. Anyone defensive player of the year once for the next Probably so he's basically he's basically a ten and ten from the two thousand three season all the way through two thousand seventeen. He's eleven and twelve for those fifteen years. And I just I like the longevity and I do think that. And he's also a great teammate. Beloved teammate by all counts Right Jeffrey. Here not a lot of bad. Tyson Chandler stuff out there. I was probably low rough. Phoenix was rough I you know Dallas Round two. He had a he had moments in Dallas round. Two for the two thousand fourteen fifteen mavs. I ended up. He's basically at a different point in his career at that point. Yeah I ended up taking him much lower than not much lower but a few spots lower than you did because I think you nailed it right the first thing you said if you play out his career this is one of the worst versions of it like he wasn't good in Chicago. It's like if you boil down. Tyson Chandler Career. The heiser really high like he's an NBA champion. Uses the defensive player. There is a criticize the keystone of an NBA championship defense. But his game never changed it all right like Tyson Chandler. This is how you have to play on offense. He just has to screen and roll. That's it you can't play any other style. We can't do anything else but he did. Great and you're really getting like if you boil it down. He had five good seasons. Maybe six the to New Orleans Seasons C. P. and then Dallas Knicks Knicks after that the decline Kinda came fast and given his his one dimensionality on offense and his relatively may be abbreviated peak. I had him a little bit lower but I loved Ice Chandler. So I you know I. I don't feel strongly about my six seven eight nine order but I did. I had him lower than you. The one thing I one thing with channel forgot to mention I think if he had a really good point guard it's a little light dandruff Jordan st and Marcus Camby. There's certain guys is like if if you if they're just the recipient of somebody else's brilliant stay actually are going to be much better and the stuff. I thought he was great on those orlands teams. But if you're a lot catcher and you're playing at that time with the best lob throw in the NBA and David Wests. Stretch FOR INSTALL. Yaacob pitches involved like you're just going to be rolling into open space. And you're going to thrive and same thing with maps like smart offense dirk at the four like you're going to be rolling open space. But think about him on the as view took two thousand Chandler and put him on that two thousand Twenty Lakers team in the Dwight. Howard Chevelle spot. That's like the ultimate situation firm. Anyway all right. You're up seven thick I went now. You get since you've taken Tyson Chandler off the board. Now you get three wings who I have all right next to each other and Richard Jefferson And Jason Johnson. I flirted with taking batty a here. Because of just how long he was like a an elite stopper on defense in one of sort of not original but one of the version. Two Point Zero of three and D guys But I just I I went with Richard Jefferson in this spot. Because I how I I just thought he's he's Twenty points scored three times in his career. Seven straight years. Fifteen plus feel like decent defender that I could have got to defend it in elite level of in like multi-positional no all star teams on these guys are made any all star teams But I just thought upside I'm taking. Rj is a two way player who can create off the dribble and run in transition. Maybe post the occasional mismatch can do more on offense and Shane. Batty can do was a good three point shooter so I went upside of Richard Jefferson. Plus because you get old you get old. Richard Jefferson. You get two thousand. Sixteen Finals Cagey veteran. Who can actually play a game seven? Richard Jefferson the but the like from age twenty nine to that finals was rough for Richard. Like the the decline happened. It came Fast Spurs your Richard Jefferson. Warriors Your Richardson. Lega wasn't it wasn't great for a while so I went but I went. Rj in this spot at seven. Beloved Teammates I. I thought the I had Jason Richardson. The highest of those three. I'M GONNA make I had. I had them the lowest those three. I'll be interested. Maybe we should do a twitter vote. Who would you in the redraft? We could put those three guys. 'cause I I had the same thing I had. Those three guys together is trying to figure it out. Here is the case for Richardson. So you take Richardson eight them. In the end this March I'm taking him eighth Oh seven warriors at some. He had some Monster Games in the. We believe run electric team in the playoffs. Eleven playoff games thirty nine minutes a game. He was nineteen and seven took seven and a half threes. A game of the. Oh seven playoffs so I just felt like if you're extending forward until we play basketball now it'd be even better 'cause you know he's jacking up the thing that really pushed it over the top for me other than you know. I just think he was a better. The Best Player of those three guys like just you know he averaged twenty two a game golden state no sex for seven five games but I remember I was friends with Steve Kerr by the time. The two thousand ten sons team really rolled into a team. That almost made the finals and unexpectedly in lots of ways and I remember when they traded for Richardson. Just talking to Steve about it at the time and he was like this guy's such a good player we had no idea and I knew Nash a little bit at that point because we're doing thirty and he was like we had no idea rich. Was this good. He just not only does he fit in with all this stuff we love to but we can actually like throwing the ball and he can create a shot and you look at the The playoffs that year they played sixteen playoff games. He was twenty and five forty seven point five percent from three. So He's another guy that I if you played his career twenty times. I wonder how many times there's a better version of what we ended up with. Where basically he's he's stayed in Charlotte for the first eight years of his career. Those teams sucked. I don't know I don't quibble with it. I you could throw these three wings in any order you want. I had them all ahead of ice in Chandler. Just because I'm drafting with a little bit of an eye on twenty twenty versatility I just I I just. I never quite trusted Jason Bridgeton. Big Spot I just remember summaries. I never I just never. Maybe I'm maybe the missed box out. He had for Phoenix in game. Five of those conference finals when are test tips in the Kobe? Air Ball his color. Neva's standards Unifem but the we believe thing was like found money that was just feel good fun times and they were a really good team I just I just kind of never trusted Jason. Richardson like a just a big big. Big Spot never trusted them so I had. I had him after bad here so I will then take batty with what we had the ninth bake. I'll take batty knife. Can I give you two Trades Jason? Richardson was involved. But they're easy is involved in a huge trade with Gilbert Arenas so in two thousand eight Richardson and Jared Dudley to Phoenix for Raja Bell. Boris diaw Sean. Single Terry Steve Curtis winning. Winning trade gets basically the best two guys that are trade. Because Boris Boris kind of create. A little bit there and then in two thousand ten December. He's traded with Earl Clark and heater Turkoglu to Orlando for Vince. Carter Marsin Cortott Michael Patriots. And a two thousand eleven. I A lot of stuff in that trade. I don't even remember that he goes. That's that's a three team trade in Gilbert Arenas in that trade to Orlando as well That's there's a whole bunch of stuff going that's not in my basketball reference page. Then he's also he was in the insane trade Right near the end of the two thousand twelve Olympics when all the sudden Dwight Howard was traded. You look at it in the white our trade. There's so many names in that trade. The on his Basketball reference page. It's like a giant paragraph like a war and peace pair of everything up in front of you. Yeah Batty Ninth Pick. I think it's fair. That gets good value. I think Couple things have to be mentioned. Just quick with him. He's basically the the George Washington of advanced metric basketball players right. The Michael Lewis. Piece about why Daryl chose him over route again. That's all star right. He becomes the moneyball baseball. Whoever the guys on the Oakland A.'s were Michael Lewis wrote about for that Scott Aberg I his two thousand twelve finals game. Abs ARE TWO THOUSAND. Thirteen finals game seven. They needed somebody to get hot. Who Wasn't Lebron James? Somebody to make some threes. Who's either GONNA BE HIM? Mario chalmers Array Allen and if one of those three guys that have made some threes. They're losing and he got hot but remember. We were working that year in member. We talked to him during that finals member. How bummed out he was. He was saying you went. You went. He was like barely playing. And then we were asking him like what's going on man you cool and he just had that look like there's so much I wanna say but I'm not WANNA upset the apple cart but well. Let's fuck man. I'm not playing. Look at this game log last. Three Games Against Indiana and the conference finals eight minutes. Four minutes D. N. P. I four games of the final six minutes. Five minutes eight minutes eight minutes. Then he's up to seventeen twelve and then in game seven twenty nine minutes six threes end. Razi game seven and honestly. That's why they win. Because that game was was a two point game with a minute left at say that tonio the ball and if he doesn't make fig if he goes oh for eight or one for eight they lose so so I I had him. I think shame bad is a winning basketball player so I had him a little harder but I will say I had him seventh on my board but I will gladly accept him with the Ninth. Pick in this draft. I handler in Richardson. Yeah I went back. I went. Rj Six body seven j rich eight Tyson Chandler nine. I can't wait to see who you pick ten well for everyone scoring at home. There's now a drop off. We have now and as the GER Joan Wallace memo. Ochre trae Murphy Eddie. Curry Vlad. Red Bandaged kwami Brown sandown. Bear Jamaal Tinsley Earl Watson Carlos Arroyo. Yeah we can we can probably be. Yeah we're we're we're we're in the homestretch. I I really enjoyed memo for getting ahead. I thought I was going to reach him tense. He's a no brainer Ted Fiqh. It's it's a guy that for a couple years there was was first of all. He finished his career as a fourteen. And Seven. Which I was surprised by. But then you look at some of the three-point Stats. Yeah an an. Oa to nine combined. Let's throw in two thousand ten to actually So three years on Utah competitive teams and he's forty percent from three taking three point three a Gabe fifteen seven. Be think like nowadays a basketball. He'd be like coveted right teams. After Momma memo core he would be like he was and now would be even more in elites like a really good stretch. Five like memo car was really good stretch. Five that's what he would be. He'd be bombing threes. He would be on offense. He would be Brook Lopez's except he would be taking twice as many threes on defense you would not be Brook Lopez but that he would be a dangerous dangerous player so I had him tenth. No no brainer. Two Thousand Eight playoffs twelve games. They lose to the Lakers round two fifteen and twelve. Does Utah Fun with Boozer and Okoro and de well. Those are fun teams. Fifteen and twelve took four point. Three three is a game thirty seven percent from three so well ahead of his time. Who Knew Memo car a Mike? Buddha Holzer kind of coach would get him today and be like you're taking twelve threes again. You'RE GONNA put pick and pop every play and you're gonNA take a million threes and he got hurt but he's the other piece with him was he was on the Pistons Originally Yup and they kind of fucked it up and they got rid of him and he's somebody that would have helped them in the mid to thousands as they you know went down some of the bigger. He's one of those guys. Where if you have him and you keep him. You're able to transition more smoothly from one era to the next without as much of a a drop off so. I had him tenth to eleventh by the way he played in an all star game. Scott memo was good like I thought about. I thought almost half for fun and have for serious. I thought about taking him even higher than this. So the The Pistons let him go for that summer. They couldn't. I remember. There was something where they could of locked him down and just decided not to It's it's hard when you're that good to carry guys. Who you think are ready to help you win. Immediately but Memo occur was a good. Nba player tours. Kill I believe he also tore his Achilles and that sort of derailed his his His lawyer I forgot he got. He got a ring and four. He played eleven five minutes a game on that. Oh for I am notation player. I have no recollection of one thing. He did in the O. Four finals I watched two of the Games recently. I don't don't remember. They did all right. Who Do you have a? What is this eleven yeah eleven? I went Gerald Wallace Just just if we could ever get the shooting a little better the value like just a guy who can guard everywhere and was you off the court I think The stories about his diet in his habits are pretty. Well known like I but I think on my team we would have been ahead of the curve with personal chefs like delivering stuff to his house. In the off season I would Gerald Wallace a better three point shooter. And just you throw in the defense. Like Joe Walsh was good man. I I have no. I'm fine with him at this pick. What was I? Don't remember? The diet stories is just an ox. Guy Yeah I think he I was a bad eater and And I would have rectified. That he was a really good point when he when he kinda declined. Fast people were yeah. People in the League were not surprised that he declined fast like after age thirty. So he got Rod Strickland Itis. Maybe there was. I was playing fantasy all all the two thousand two thousand ten season he had. He had some good Charlotte. Charlotte teams. Were Weird. They competent there for a couple of years. Captain Jack was involved there a little bit. Yeah but he. He averaged ten rebounds. A game in two thousand ten is eighteen and Ted but I remember hearing a couple of games that year. We have twenty five rebounds or like some crazy and everybody Jerry Wallace. He's see how little you put a little guy on him. He could mash him in the post. Like Prime Gerald Wallace could do a lot of stuff. We can't let Gerald while section of the podcast go without bringing up one other piece Damian Lillard now three player draft three per draft for guy. Billy King. Have you have you ever told the story in a podcast of would of the billy king story or does that she would just do it now? Like the eighty minute mark billy. I have reconciled Reconciled a strong we never like non reconciled but He was one of several NBA figures. Who did not like me on first blush because of you. It had nothing to do with me. It's just that I worked granted. I had the nerve to take a paycheck from you. Who put him in the atrocious? Gm summit as just a regular. He's like a star of the atrocious. Pm Seven Multiple Times. So I it was it was. It was very clear to me that I was being hated. Vicariously us not the only NBA executive to do this It was made no. It was made very clear to me that I was not a friendly presence at the Barclays Center for a little bit. But we got over it. We got over it. He's a very nice guy but Yeah He. He was not the only one and he was friendlier than the other ones. Who who took their anti bill cinnamon out on me. You know it's funny. I always felt like I was job. Performance mean at that point especially like the Li- from like two thousand mid two thousand nine. I don't remember like getting Super Personal. Like with billy king was just like this guy did a bad job like the Joe. Walsh trade is it negligent trade. You're doing your your trading for this guy's contract Portland's delighted to get rid of for any first round pick because you're not even putting the right protections. 'cause de will needed veteran help and like your wallace. The bad trade too stuffy didn't phillies before he got outstare. Like kinda indefensible now. I'm getting mad. The bill king was mad at me. How dare you mad at me for All right Twelve pick only one guy on my board and then it gets dark. I thought Troy Murphy and a couple of good year we are we are in lockstep last. Step Troy Murphy. Is like the the slightly. Jv memo or if you were today people would just make an stretch five. You would shoot a ton of threes. And he was a really good shooter so as you know. My Dad loved any left-handed white guy who reminded him of Dave Collins was. Is The quickest way to my dad's. My Dad was very upset. When they didn't take Troy Murphy with the eleventh pick in two thousand one the Celtics and then as it became pretty clear pretty quickly. That Q Jake Brown was destined for Yugoslavia or Spain or Russia. Or whatever country? Who's GONNA playing in? There is a true murphy year. Oh five yeah. He puts up fifteen eleven for Golden State and sheets almost forty percent from three to sticky. Good three point shooter And then became openly. Good when he got to Indiana 'cause they actually had him shoot the threes and my dad was just furious about Jerry. Murphy you would have thought Troy Murphy was like the next Larry. Bird some man. We miss that. So his career didn't quite pan out that way but man if you look at his two thousand nine season when he's fourteen and twelve and he's taken five threes agape shooting forty five percent from three first career is thirty nine percent three point shooter. A he would have had a better art now. So Trey Murphy underrated yeah. I had him no easily twelfth. Pick and I thought about taking them higher but I just couldn't but yeah he would just shoot a lot of threes. That's why my thirteenth pick. We're getting we're entering the part of the draft where I'm just defaulting to like. Can you do one thing really well in his? That one's shooting right sad so I took a thirteenth. I took Radovich because I was just like I know this guy plugin plays he's a four. You can shoot threes like could he be `Davis Britan's now and NBA just launched tons of threes. Not Quite that quick release may be but I just default into. I know what this guy is. He's good at the most important thing. I'm taking them. Career thirty eight percent three point shooter asset had thirteenth. So now I had the last pick unless you WANNA fifty and pick no so. It's basically Eddie courier. Sam Down Bear so a two enticing choices Sam Poise eight hundred eighty six games peaking with a ten in ten on the sixers Bounced around in a really insane way somehow played for six teams Eddie. The case for him is that that that one eddy curry season where he is falling apart quickly. That one season that. Oh five bowls where he's putting up sixteen game in twenty eight minutes But I mean that. You just can't win with Eddy Curry some taking Sam Dalbar I we had. I had Delaware Fourteen. I think he was a A good all around player. Who could do good shot? Blocker had a little bit of touch like a tiny bit of touch that if nurtured correctly could have been like a decent pick and pop touch Right ran the floor. Good feel for the game. I took him over Eddy. Curry Eddy Curry. The plus minus stats were ugly. Even when he was put up numbers Just because defensively. I didn't I didn't know how to take into account the health issues. That were the reason. The Bulls ended up trading up to the Knicks. Like an all time New York. Next bad trade But I took in Brazil so that so that means picks one and four do not make our revised top fourteen kwami brand or eddy curry not to mention Eddie Griffin and Tucson a Job Rodney. White. He drink brown all fall out of Eddie Griffin off. Which I did I didn't know what to do with Eddie Griffin but they all fought the lottery so we went Kazaa. One Parker two arenas three Joe Johnson four Zach Randolph Five Chandler six Richard Jefferson Seven. J Rich Eight. Shame bad ADENINE. Yes memo ochre. Big winner this pod. Ten Joe Ross. Eleven Troy Murphy. Twelve Rodman Ridge. Thirteen down bear fourteen before we go. Which guy have you still not given up on yet from this draft? Even though all of their careers are over as anyone. You're still kind of holding out hope for This is a great question I always have soft spot for Jamaal Tinsley. Who was the twenty seventh pick in this draft and had some decent years in the NBA in could really pass. So obviously he was a major participant in the malice in the palace. And some other stuff but I'm going I'm still interested in Jamaal Tinsley so mine is I thought that was a great pick. I remember there was a Jamaal. Tinsley Gamer had like at least twenty two assists in a game or some crazy number number. My Guys Bobby Simmons. I not just as easy namesake. Bobby Simmons from you but I just wanted to say in Two thousand five for the QUIP. Sixteen and six forty three point. Five percent from three granted didn't take a ton of threes and then Milwaukee signed him he cashed in And forty two percent from three that year and then he got hurt and his crew was never the same but I really liked. It was a three indeed guy. I think he's the kind of guy that you know. He could have had a Marvin Williams type career where he just played for fifteen years and was a good teammate and made some threes it just kept going and going going gone but he got hurt and it's so funny like guys get Guy One injury. It's just your career's over and it's so unfair. Some guys that happens to other guys are fine like even in the Michael Jordan the documentary. That is coming out next week. He breaks his foot as as a second year guy and like what if he had just continued have problems with that foot for the rest of his career. And we never Michael Jordan used ever know so I feel bad for him because I thought he was good. I if people could've bet preemptively on this podcast they could have won a lot of money I think on. Do they get through ninety minutes without the words? Brian SCALLOP GREENIE. Being uttered at any moment the thirty fifth pick in this draft. Not that he was going to be a candidate for top fourteen given his celtics ties then and now as an announcer you would think scowl one of the Red Mambas would would come up in this. Discussion somehow is probably a top fifteen salary guy from this draft who that's because e e here that one contractor where he made like fifty million for five years or something curry ended up making close to one hundred million. I'm sure Chandler made a Shitload Gobert. Had that one crazy crazy contract that than Otis Smith ended up trading for which was one of the dumbest moves of all time But yeah some guys from this draught cashed. Tony Parker probably at three different fifty to sixty million dollar deals at some point. Probably he probably made in the one fifty to one seventy trans show. Yeah there we go. That was the draft was a fun draft so down the road bringing do. Oh nine with you on your on your part to my favorite o-9 is my in recent vintage. Oh nine is just I just Kinda WanNa redraft the whole thing for like four hours that hold that whole draft is like insane and I love every second because I'm looking forward to that Zach Lowe. Glad you're staying safe. Thanks for coming on pleasures. Always always a pleasure my friend. Thanks for listening to the two thousand one redraft ables with Being Zach Lowe. Stay tuned on this feed will be running at least a couple more redraft ables including the two thousand three redraft with my old nemesis frenemy. Friend Chad Ford. This was the first draft. We really battled over. That's coming up later And you can listen to his brand new podcast that he just launched two if you want to hear even more draft content there. Don't forget about the Bill Simmons. Pack has don't forget about the Rewatch ables where we had We have a couple of new ones this week. Total recalls already up and made. The State is coming later this week in the next week. It's going to get super walk. 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"You want it you need it. It's what everyone's talking about the Kevin Sheehan show. Now here's Kevin. You're listening to the sports. Fix Yes sports. Fixed Tuesday Tommy's at home. I'm in the studio errands at home. Hope everybody's doing well A lot to get to today Nothing you know. Earth shattering in terms of news here over the last couple of days. Which is one of the reasons I took yesterday off. Last dance episode. Seven eight we want to talk about here. in a moment I put out a poll today on my twitter Today asking people when they would feel comfortable again going back to a stadium or an arena. So I'M GONNA share those results and get your thoughts on it as well. I know you have a couple of things as well. Let me just open up. Today's show and tell you tom why I was late in getting to the recording of this show because we had a scheduled time in in mind My youngest son who is a sophomore at Penn state or just finished his sophomore year at Penn State. He took online finals last week. He wants to go back. He wants to go back. Says a lot of his friends are going back you know. He's got an apartment there Gist off campus. Barely off campus And you know. He said a bunch of his friends are back and he wants to go back there and I'm actually fine with that. I actually now of of the mindset. You know this is subject to change that I just you know. Knock on wood. I just don't think he would get. I think young people you know that aren't don't have underlying diseases or issues. It's just such a a major long shot that they're ever going to get seriously ill If they were to get the virus now what? I was sort of arguing with him about which took me a while to get to you Today and to start the podcast is. I made it very clear to him. I'm like I'm totally fine with that. Whatever I've I'm now of the mindset you know we gotta get back to to to doing stuff not the people who are older not the people with underlying diseases not to truly vulnerable. I get that I don't want my mother who's had cancer. I don't want her out of the house. She's not leaving the house. But I I think you know young people and people who are healthy and not of a certain age you know I. I'm of the belief that it starts. It's time to get back to to try to figure out you know work in in getting this economy back to some you know level of stability again so what. I told him though. Tom Was the following and this is where he seemed to have a bit of an issue in this Switzerland. Me So long to get to you. I said look you can do that but I just want you to know when you come back home whenever that is a week from now three weeks from now you're going to self quarantine when you get home and that is you know somewhere between a week in two weeks depending whatever the latest guidances you're going to have to do that. You know I'm going to work but I'm being very careful. You're going to be on a college campus. You know and life is starting to move back in the direction. With young people of being around people again and socializing. So if you come back you're going to do it. You know if it's still the same sort of situation where they recommend that someone's coming into the House that hasn't been in the House for Awhile you know and especially young people who are ase symptomatic carriers of this thing more often than not. I said you'RE GONNA have to self quarantine and he's like well. What's that mean? How long I'm like? Well you know some people do it for two weeks. Oh come on. I mean like we have to. You're going to work and that's me. I'm being careful. You're not going to be as careful as I've been my come into a studio by myself. I've got these alcohol rubbing wipes so I'm touching door handles wearing a mask everywhere I go. I don't want. I don't wear masks when I'm walking the dog. I don't wear a mask. I didn't wear mask when I played golf over the weekend. Obviously I wear a mask when I go into a grocery store if I if I have to go into a retail store because it's required now but I'm like just understand you leave here in you go up there have at it. I'm all for it but when you come back because he's GonNa Comeback. Because it's summer soon. They're done with school you know. I. I don't even know in the lease on his apartment runs out. I didn't even think about asking him that But you're going to self quarantine period suggest in and he started to talk again. I said it's not negotiable period. End of discussion just understand. There's GonNa probably be a week to week period where you're not. You're not able to leave your room when you get home Your thoughts on this. I think you're being very reasonable to them. I think you know you've got to you've got to this is of the problem with the mindset right now that that we're some kind of oppressed people and we. We've we've had the storm the beaches at at Normandy and now we deserve A week on the beach at in Hawaii somewhere or somehow we made it to Paris and the war is over the days. Come and gone and now we can hang out with all those beautiful Frenchwomen for a few months like like we've done something by the way they love us over there. That's when they this yes they did though I mean you know. I don't know if you can drill into his head in that it's consequences. His actions have consequences for other. Pete's right it's a simple thing. How selfish do you want to talk about the the thing that you that's most near and dear the people right now? Is there help. Yes and I think he. I think he understands that. I think that when I threw out you know two weeks and by the way I don't even know if that's what it is. I've heard that it's two weeks I but I told them whatever. This E. D. C. requires when when someone's been outside the home and they're coming into a new home with to do that and I said I don't think it's less than a week and but he understands you know that the consequences would be for other people most more likely than not that him and I said look I a lot of parents the even thinking about letting their you know college aged kids go back to T to school and hang out at their apartment the I mean I think many are now. I just I am ready. I am of the mindset that it is time for all of us to think about how we you know. We get back to you know some level of of functionality in of production because there there will be catastrophic consequences to what we've done to the economy and. I'm not sitting here telling you that it wasn't something that we had to do and I'm not even GonNa complain about whether or not. It was an overreaction because I think that's ridiculous everything all the decisions made were made in the context of the information they had then. So you can't go back two months after the fact and say man those projections on the fatality rate. Were way off okay. Well that's what they thought then and they made decisions accordingly. I don't think anybody panicked based on the data that was there. I don't think anybody overreacted. Based on the data but you also have to recognize what the date is saying today and then react accordingly and by the way we could be making more mistakes right now. This could be a major mistake. Did I'm making? He might get the virus that new week in two weeks. Oh it's mutated in this is much worse and it's it's it's much more dangerous for younger people who the fuck knows at this point like it's so impossible to predict but anyway. I'm ready for you. Know certainly people who are healthy understanding social distancing understanding masks where and when appropriate all of that. I'm not saying we go back in everybody's packing Jiffy Lube. Live for a concert tomorrow. Night luck I mean that even if we go back to If we open up to a cautious approach a wise approach in terms of the things. You talk about social distancing things like that I mean what are the industries that are going to be positively significantly positively impacted by that? I don't know what they are. Well I mean I think there are I mean first of all. There are a lot of small businesses. That may never come back after this. This was this will be absolutely devastating for many small businesses specifically those small businesses in retail hospital certain types of retail hospitality restaurant etc You know you've you've got a lot of small businesses that you know aren't cash aren't flush with cash. I mean it's a month a month deal and they need to hit certain revenue numbers to create enough income to to run. That business in two months is devastating. Them we we've impacted this economy in ways that I don't even know that we can measure right now. The unemployment rates just the tip of the iceberg And and may get you know based on what when I'm reading could get a lot worse than where it is now But in terms of the types of businesses I mean those are those are the ones that have been majorly impacted but even businesses that rely on employees to be an office to function. Better like my oldest son works for a company time either. An event in marketing company. They they put on events for commercial real estate companies and they reverted to webinars. Well in no one's interested in Webinars at the same ad advertising level you know and sponsorship level as they aren't alive event where you can you know you can spend time in those things may have gone away for the for a year. I mean that businesses in trouble lots lots of businesses. That are in major trouble in other words. Let me like what's picture the one that everyone seems to point to restaurants because that affects everybody because people want to go out to eat. I mean restaurants if they're operating under social assistance in guidelines. Think of the small little restaurant that you like to go to think of how many people will be able to eat there. If you're practicing social distancing I mean it's probably twenty five percents maybe thirty percent of the normal map so that have a positive impact on the business if they have to open up to serve maybe thirty percent or thirty five percent of the people they normally do maybe in combination with what they're doing with. Carry Out and curbside pickup and delivery. Maybe it will. You know you're right and this is my my point is and I hear people talking about it on the radio. We'll gets it when we talk about. Ufc Two forty nine this past weekend and its impact. But I hear people to Claire that you know that We'll have baseball and ally a we'll have football in September and I asked these people. How how what how do you? How do you propose this is going to happen? They saw what knowledge well. Nobody knows anything foul. She laid out the whole plan for football. Although it was very Let's just say to me tentative because I did you. Did you read what he told Peter King? Yesterday I didn't hear it. I I read yes I did I read. I read it and and you know he's guested. I know well. That's the. That's the part that is concerning when the so-called experts are guessing but they had been clearly all along because they've been they've been proven wrong more than they've been proven right With a lot of this this is just. This is the thing. That frustrates me. The most. Here's Harris what. Here's what we know about the virus. There's two thousand people a day right now and climbing dying in the United States. Like that's right. It's up to eighty two thousand and growing. Okay that's what we know so making plans in August. I don't have to make plans and I understand this lease leaks and still have to come up with plans to to basically come back but anyone who thinks that this is going through. Its sure that this is going to happen is a full. I mean. We don't know anything. I do agree with that but I also wonder whether or not I just wonder how much it actually matters to. A significant percentage of the population. Because at this point they don't WanNa hear that we don't know anything they're willing to take the risk and I understand that they're they're they're willing to take the risk that affects other people as well aren't willing to take the risk you but it's it's the it's the shoe it's it's shoot or be shot in some cases and I don't mean that literally figuratively. It's you know if they don't take the risk themselves and put others at risk will then. They're not going to make it. They Ha- they have to. They have to feed themselves and their families and they've got to figure out a solution. We've got an unemployment rate now that it's just outrageous in most of the economic experts. Think it's going to get much worse before it gets better. And I. I don't let me make it clear I'm talking about the people who dismissed dismissed. The danger look I went. We went out this weekend for a walk in Frederick And Baker Park Really Nice Park and I say including us. Twenty percent of the people were wear masks outside. That was it well I. I was out walking around Bethesda the other day and I would say. Eighty percent of the people had masks on. It was surreal. I so I don't know that I'd I I'm I'm okay. With many people sort of recognizing that the risk to themselves a super low and that they have the knowledge of hopefully you know the risk being loaded them and they understand that how transmissible is but they steer clear of people who shouldn't be around people that habit. I mean right now Tommy. People are old and people who have underlying diseases. They shouldn't be leaving their home. They shouldn't be putting themselves anywhere near these people. That are starting to and I would disagree with you. I think I do understand it and I think did they understand that. You know there's risk and I think they understand you know what's going on in. They're saying that I don't really care. I'm not going to die from this. I mean I think what we've learned more than anything for the time being with this with this strain of cove. Nineteen is that it is a massive massive longshot. That anybody will die but for people who are healthy and younger. It's almost you know. The chances of dying are so so slim and so I think they recognize that and they're ready to get on with their lives and at the same time you know. I think many of them. We'll be very aware of people that they shouldn't be around. I think you're giving people too much credit. I think you're giving them too much credit. Lucky hairs numbers right now Forty percentage of deaths In the United States per age group Eighteen to forty four. It's four point. Five percent of of the death That taken place Krona virus in the United States only four point five percent from eighteen to forty four okay from forty five to sixty four from the CDC site Getting it from the World Health Organization. Get it from the Nazis forty five because the site focuses on the United States the United States. And it's coming from sixty four World Health Organization. One three point one percent. Would you say forty five to sixty four years old the rate of debt is twenty three point? One percenters no way that that's true. I don't know where you're getting that information. But the death rate nowhere for any age group is twenty three percent plus no of the people who have died o of the people who have died. I'm sorry toots her giving me the death rate for drill okay off the debt that have taken place twenty three point. One percent of those steps in in the United States have been between forty five and sixty four Twenty four point six have been between sixty five and seventy four and then it sums dramatically seventy five plus the forty seven point seven percent. So there's a big difference between eighteen to forty four and the rest of the population. Yeah definitely definitely. But but the percentage the percent chance that you're going to die in those age groups that are under sixty five is a is fractions of one percent. Yes I would say under forty five. Whatever I I'm looking forward and I can't find it. It used to be easier to find for whatever reason but whatever you know. I'm looking here I see a point. Four percent for a forty to forty nine one point three percent for eight fifty to fifty nine and You know Twenty to twenty nine point two percent I mean I like all the way up until forty eight point two percent and it doubles the point. Four percent right and in remember this. Is You know simple math. It's the deaths divided by the overall infections. And what we don't know but we do know it's much higher. We don't know what the actual infection number is because of all of the a symptomatic cases so when you start to sort of extrapolate and guess which is what they've and that's the number of looking for is the the sort of projection on how many have actually been infected rather than reported to have been infected. It's a much smaller number than the one than the number. That's even being reported in terms the death rate because I think the overall death rate right now is just under one percent for all age groups But that is based on the reported infection number but we have a sense. Don't we that because of how many people have been a symptomatic that the infection rate has actually been much higher than the number? Which is like one point three million? So yeah you know if it's double that they named faction rate is half of what they're reporting right now if it's tripled that it's it you just you keep you know that the death rate is lower than what's even being reported right now because you don't know what the real infection Number is anyway. We could sit here and do this for two hours but nobody cares I'm letting my son go back to school and hang out if that's what he wants to do. He'll have a decision for me. He said in a few hours am. I can't wait to hear it. But he's just GonNa he's GonNa make sure that when he comes home that he's going to to self quarantine period and if he gets sick by the way he can't come home and that's the part that's the part that really like. I said no like what if you do get sick. I mean now I got hook up to State College and walk into a hospital I mean. Of course I would but I don't want I don't want anybody to get sick so I put this out earlier today. After the radio we took calls. It was one of those things. You know how it goes. It's like we could've taken calls in this for three hours and the question was really simple. When do you think you'll feel comfortable again? Going to a packed stadium or arena and I said Pack Stadium Tommy Arena. Because that's really what it used to be. You know you have a decision to go to a big time sporting event. Well it's GONNA be crowded. I don't know that we're GONNA have a packed stadium or arena. Even when fans are allowed to come back without any restrictions for awhile the is impacted a lot of people. And they're gonNA wait but the four answers I gave out were now. You'd be comfortable doing it now a year from now which may be basically built into a year from now more likely than not. We're going to have some drugs. Probably not a vaccine. But we'll we'll have some drugs that help and maybe keep you from dying The third answer was never. You're never gonNA feel comfortable again going to a pack stadium or arena and in the last answer Possibility was I honestly don't know you know right now. Based on how they feel and you know like approaching twenty five hundred votes or whatever. That's the answer that is by far and away the runaway leader. Which is I honestly. Don't know but the second answer I'm in terms of the vote count is now and I think that's reflective of people and I'm I'm a little bit sort of in that direction which I wouldn't go to a sporting event right now I would do it a year from now with it once their meds But I think people are just itching to get going now. You Know I. I didn't think people would say now in. Its twenty five percent of the vote but see that. That's the reckless reckless people. I'm talking about. I mean you think people are are are taking into consideration the impact of their actions. I'm stunned the amount of people who aren't considering who don't really care who think this is some kind of conspiracy or or something like that. What do you mean by? Go ahead what do you mean by comfortable being not go at all or do you mean. Feel good about going. I mean somebody that would go okay. Well that's different. I mean I I might go like a year from now but I wouldn't feel comfortable. I think thinking about the virus the whole time I was there you know. I think you're not allowing for people who are healthy and younger and can also be responsible. They can put themselves at risk in. It's a very based on what we know today. A very very low risk. They've got a much higher risk of actually dying from influenza. Those people do then cove in nineteen. But I don't know that you're doing them. I think you're accounting for them. Being feeling responsible about their actions. Why can't they be both? Why can't they? I haven't I haven't seen it? I haven't seen it where media. I haven't seen in on social media off. I didn't you don't think you go if you go walk in the streets every day I do you do I absolutely do. Well I do I do too and I don't see and I'm not reckless. I'm not wreck. Listen I I haven't seen any reckless people. Oh that's all I see. I see put this when I'm walking my dog. I don't wear a mask. I want fresh air. I Avoid People. They avoid me. There isn't anybody that I've gotten to within six feet of everybody. You're walking down. The street and people are courteous within thirty yards of each other. Are you going to cross the street or in my? You know every everybody's I think you're reckless description. Is You know for the people that you've seen south on beaches. No it's from personal experience. Walking around found walking. Par insists living in the boonies. I I mean I can tell you that I think a lot. More people are the are are responsible with this and if people WANNA go out and they want to get back to work in their healthy and thereof of an age in which the risk is minimal. I'm all for it as long as they understand that. They can't be selfish in that they have to realize that they are potentially through their actions putting other people at risk. If they're not responsible I think people can do both I think they can take their own personal risk and be responsible and not you know. Put others at risk of okay but but you declared that people are doing that and I'm telling you they're not my experiences is that they are okay and my experiences is that they're not by the way I see you know. Frederick is a very small Frederick County is obviously very small county compared to Montgomery or PG. But here's an interesting numbers here in terms of I just wanted to bounce this off you keep who have. Who have the virus or the reportedly have the virus? You know that sixty to sixty nine. My Age Group is lower than twenty two twenty nine thirty to thirty nine rain the infection rate. Yes Frederick County. Affection rate is is lower for sixty to sixty nine than every age group between twenty and fifty nine. Isn't that a great sign? I guess it is. It's no it really is. It means that people who are more vulnerable are steering clear of places where they can contract the virus and younger people are understanding that their risk is very low and by the way they're not infecting others. That's essentially. What I'm advocating for. People are healthy and not vulnerable from from an age and or a an underlying health situation standpoint. It's time for them to get back out there and be responsible and socially distance when when possible and wear masks where appropriate and steer clear of the vulnerable because the bone. Where did you get the and human nature? I've always had always had more faith in human nature than you have. I've always been much more optimistic than you been. You've talked to idiots freak. Don't talk to don't call my audience that that's what you think they are. I have a lot of very bright people who call in and listen to this show. This is gonNA come from this this this this noble gesture. I think I thought the area you live in ease more. I guarantee this is is a fact. I would say that where you live is a more conservative area and probably have more people as you've described that our reckless and I live in Montgomery County especially close in Montgomery County in a very liberal area liberal minded when in those people tend to be much more ironically conservative. When it comes to how they're handling this virus that would be my guess. I seem I would say nine out of ten people that I've seen out and about have been out of their way courteous responsible. Try Not to get it for me and try not to give it to me okay. That's been my experience area. I'm not sure extrapolates. That arrested the human race. It might not but you know. Interestingly enough where it may not extrapolate to you know some of these states in middle America. They've got the lowest infection rates and by the way just as an aside. This is where you know me. I both sides drive me crazy at times. The left and the right Our President and the media but come on on the testing thing. We don't need three hundred and fifty million tests right now. Every single American doesn't have to be provided a test right now. I mean there parts of this country where there are barely any infections and like hardly any deaths. They've got much bigger concerns in Kovic nineteen. Why do we have to ask the dumbest questions understood? You get a lot of dumb answers. I get it but my God this scandal over testing and not having enough for every American to be tested two or three times. Jesus Christ do the math on this thing. We don't need a test for everybody. Everybody's not getting sick. Maybe a dramatic. Well that's an antibody test that we need. After after they've they've the infections come and gone. We need more of those and by the way. We need more testing. Don't get me wrong. We need more testing. We weren't prepared. We didn't react. Well testings in issue. I get it but these these reporters who asked these questions and have created in their own. Mind that it's an absolute scandal that this country hasn't been able to put together a program to provide testing for every single American. Not every single American needs to be tested God. How often did we here in the early days from Dr Vouch? And everybody else. Look if you have some symptoms in less sure short of breath just stay at home and self quarantine and it too shall pass. I know I I do I okay. Well how I mean I. I haven't heard these reporters saying every American watched another allusion on your part notice okay. Every time every time you do this I get fifty fifty tweets from people saying what is he watching? Is He only reading the post? And I'm like I have no idea Tommy what did you want the task? Force press conference yesterday. And then and then watch the follow-up watch go back and watch Wolf Blitzer yesterday afternoon after the Task Force Update and tell me if they weren't literally the president by the way not a good communicator. Terrible communicator terrible leadership. During this whole thing again I I completely agree with that. H child in so many different ways. But he when he when he made the statement that we have prevailed when it comes to testing the the questions the follow up questions. Were all about that statement prevailing. How can you say that when we don't have a test for everybody and then the constant conversation afterwards was? Doesn't he know what our population is? We haven't prevailed until we have enough tests for. Everybody will know that's got you. We haven't prevailed I agree. We haven't prevailed. I didn't say we prevailed. I'm I'm telling you I'm up with questions on that because the questions are dumb. You don't need three hundred thirty million tests. You don't need a test for every single person in this country. Tommy that's not definition of his success. I'm not I'm not saying every person who knew who feels they need one. Yes but most people don't need one significant majority of our country. Don't they don't need one point one. What if they feel? They need once but they don't need feel they need one. Oh they don't. I don't think they do okay do you. Do you think that every American I was like I? Do you feel like you need a test. I'd like to have one. I don't care if I had symptoms. I'D WANNA test. I haven't had any symptoms yet. I'M NOT GONNA GO TAT get tested because I sneezed a few times the other day those tests should be those. T- those tests should be used in for people who really have symptoms now again. Don't get don't get me. Don't get me wrong. I don't think we have enough testing. I don't think we have enough testing to say that. We've prevailed think it's absurd okay and I think the way that the questions are handled and responded to our like seventh grade with like fifth grade vocabulary. But the whole scene in the whole conversation yesterday after that that Well I in addition to the Obama stuff was about. How can he possibly say? We've prevailed with testing when we don't have a test for everybody. We don't need a test for everybody. My God you know what this is the other thing too to hate getting into this on the podcast but you know the bottom line is and I know you feel differently and I know your wife was a government worker and God bless all the government workers out there. I don't have a problem with him. I lived in a world of of being in in small entrepreneurial companies the opposite of sort of a government work environment and I'm not being critical of it. We need those people. Trust me but my God. What are we as a government? What have we ever done? Well I mean it's it's typically a mess. This would've been a mess for any administration any administration. This is unprecedented for crying out loud. It took two years and twenty million dollars to build a website a few years ago for for the healthcare government does not government does well. Tommy they tax. Well they don't they don't miss that part out of it. This is ridiculous. It's a third deer out or see slow. Take into the cleaners on deals governments around the world. That seem to handle this better than ours. Well we haven't slightly different animal here. You know that slightly bigger country slightly more bureaucratic government not as nimble over the years. There's a lot working against us as far as that's concerned. Look I'm not trust me. If those of you that are hearing this differently I am not expressing support for the way this has been handled by this administration. What I am absolutely convinced of is most administrations would have struggled with a lot of this. I think the communication Would have been more mature and more professional and by the way more decypherable and less self absorbed But I think that we were what was presented to the world and to this country was an unprecedented dilemma. I mean you said earlier and I agree with it. They don't know anything every day. We're learning something new. But I I don't I. I'm not into the blame game right now. On how this was handled I think that many administrations would have struggled with this Everybody struggle with a cavern but the early response is is the different on testing. Yes they bungled the early response on testing. We weren't ready for and then once we started to try to get ready for it. We didn't do it. Well there's no doubt and I don't know if the Obama Administration the Bush administration or you know the the Clinton administration would have handled it differently. I have no idea or better. I do know this you know. I certainly believe that. In terms of communication in leadership and the perception of the way it's being handled would likely have been different with any one of those people and administrations. I would agree with that and Eric what other thing I know. I know you've run company. I've never worked for government agency my entire life. I've done nothing but work for private company. I know that I can't think of one wrong. Brung into I would trust so run the government not one that I would think we'd have done a better job than what the government has done in most cases not one private industry in any businesses where companies. I've worked for and you've been in and as you know 'cause we've known each other for a long time now. I came from a totally different environment into the media. Business in I if I spent my entire life in media. I would completely agree with you but I didn't. I spent a lot of my time in tech companies in internet companies in retail businesses That were you know very entrepreneurial with a lot of smart people that I am absolutely one hundred percent convinced would have been able to do a better job than the job. It's being done right now. but that's that's beside the point the perspective it's our it's our life experiences but with with the specific to the business of media that I've been involved in broadcasting. There isn't one management team that I've worked for here that I would trust to handle this any better than the government. I would agree with you on that. Okay what else. We got all right. So what about what about this? What about the sporting event you're going back to an arena packed or what's your feeling right now. I bet you a you didn't have to go for work. Would you ever go to an arena or stadium again? What about for a concert? Yeah I think I would I again comfortable. I wouldn't feel comfortable about it. Would it hold me back from going? Probably not but I'd be nervous at least the first couple of times. I think I'd be I'd be looking around and I'd be thinking about it. I still keep coming back to the same thing that we've talked about until there is a therapeutic answer a medical medicine prescription answer that keeps you or almost guarantees. That you're not gonNA get seriously ill or die that I don't think anybody's GonNa be comfortable. I think you know people who where we're the fatality rate is super low are going to be okay with that. But I'm at the age and you're certainly at the age where I don't want to get it so you know I'm not. I can't see myself going into a packed stadium or an arena for sporting event. Now concerts different because you can't watch those on TV But for a sporting event. Until there are you know. There's some meds out there that make me feel like. Yeah you know if I get it. I get a prescription called into CVS. And I'm good to go the vaccine Tommy to how much you've been reading about this pipedream territory. I mean nominee. They've tried to create vaccines for we still don't have a virus for HIV and this thing has HIV components to it. The the mets the mets are GonNa come sooner and I think once that happens. There's going to be like a world. Exhale like okay. This isn't going to kill us. It's GonNa kill some people like influenza does. It's GONNA kill some people but we're not you know we've got medicine now that we can take if we get it That to me would be look. I'm also in a position where I'm at that point where I don't love going to sporting events anymore anyway. You know unless it's really a game that I wanNA see like the last game. I was at was the Maryland Michigan game you know. Sold OUT XFINITY CENTERS. Sitting you know sharing arm rests with the people next to me. You know people on top of each other. I told the story this morning. I think I told you. You know during the podcast. Last fall that Penn State Michigan game. I went to in the fall. Where it's bench seating in literally everybody's in each other's laps hundred eleven thousand strong. I will not cove in nineteen or not. I promised myself that that was the last. One of those is going to go to. It was uncomfortable so I can't see myself going to those kinds of events anyway and less. It was a massive redskins game wizards game or Maryland. Basketball game in for me. I'd prefer that there be some meds like let's get to the point where we can get something prescribed for us once we get there and to me. That's a year from now. So that was my answer I don't have to go to sporting events to do my job. You know I go to a lot of games and I've always gone to a lot of games more often as you know as a fan then as a medium member I I I can't see myself going back to a lot of those until there's you know I'm not I don't need a vaccine but I need I need. I need medical answer. There you know tend to lean towards what you're saying And I'll be kinda curious because I don't think baseball is coming back until I no matter. What their plan that. They're they're talking about. I don't think it's going to happen. This season But it would And you know and they did. How media to be there without the MEDS. I it'd be a real tough trip for me to make. I don't know if I could use. I wouldn't let you do it. You wouldn't let Redo because you are vulnerable. You shouldn't you shouldn't be doing that by the way Tommy in all seriousness. Let's just say the baseball does resumed July fourth? And there's eighty two game schedule and if you've been following the story. The owners essentially have come up with a proposal that they're making the players today so we'll find out how the players receive it. The prediction is they're not gonNA receive it very well because the owners are looking essentially for some sort of revenue Split The rest of the way but I don't see reporters being at these games. I see zoom press conferences after the Games. You're probably right. Why would they? Why would they allow reporters who they're not going to test more likely than not into their ballpark in into their locker rooms? You're probably right. Don't need you don't need reporters in order to put the game on so you don't right the fans don't care if the reporter they care if the television cameras are there but even the announcers could announce these games remotely like. What's the real benefit from being in the stadium? Well that's actually slowly. That's the way the industry is. I know like tennis champ. Most of those events are are broadcast from from a studio. Yeah so I mean this could be a kick start to the notion of of having broadcast teams in the studio for these events. So you're right you're right reporters. I mean it. The question may be answered for me. Just may not even be allowed. Yeah I don't I don't see I mean. The the the goal will be ticket for the fewest true essentials and you can cover a sporting event without being at the sporting as long as you have access to talking to those players afterwards and I see them. You know Tommy to be honest with you when you think about this. I think that that's an absolute lock that that'll happen in. That'll be the way it is for the foreseeable future. You know one of the things that FAO she talked about in getting the NFL. You Know He. First of all he described that football is a sport. That's very dangerous with a highly contagious disease. Like this with all the contact and his suggestion. Essentially is you know even though it would not be a guaranteed to keep somebody from getting it but that the fifty three players and coaches be tested Saturday night before Sunday game and then Sunday morning and anybody that tests positive. They're out they they've got to leave in quarantine and everybody else that tests. The test negative is in now that gets into the whole you know by the way testing back to the testing. Testing is an issue. I understand that you know we need more tests. We gotta keep increasing the numbers of tests. I wasn't arguing against that. Trust me. I was arguing against if we don't have three hundred and thirty million right now. It's a failure. That's what I'm arguing against but you know we're GonNa get into these situations where sports leagues really. You're you're taking basically fifty three players call it a coaching staff of fifteen. Just call it. Basically all in one hundred essentials per team and you're going to test them twice. It's two hundred tests for one team. Four hundred to put on a game over say a twelve hour period. That's going to be a problem for some people. Yes it is I mean. Look Sean doolittle the the reliever for nationals On on twitter. He brought up a lot of questions related to the plan to bring baseball back. And why don't phrase? He said he used was ethical testing. Now I'm interpreting that as meaning testing. That doesn't appear to be privileged right right like and that's the problem like in like until healthcare workers can be tested twice within a twelve hour period. You know why should why should football? Now you know you. I mean this this is this is weak and I will concede that point going in but if we are trying to really get this economy back there are going to be industries and businesses that are going to need a certain privilege when it comes to testing. You know the other thing too that got you know Fired away at the president. Yesterday's why does the White House get so many tests in? Why is is pence in trumping tested? Every day well because they're the president vice president dummies come on. I mean there are some people in some parts of our of our world for the purposes of functioning in Konami enhancement. That may have some sort of privilege. I'm not about to I Kevin. I don't think people would be asking those questions. If those two people weren't so reckless publicly with their own disregard for social distance wearing my I agree with you. I'm not going to disagree with that at all. It's it's it it. It's mind boggling to me. How pence walked into that place without a mask on and they said look I in the task force in your speaking and you can't wear a mask but and we we don't know that there. Yeah but he's essentially admitted that he's not wearing a mask in in In the Oval Office in when people around anyway but we get sidetracked again. My point is will the? Nfl is a Eleven billion twelve billion dollar top line business. One of the biggest consumer product companies in the country with by the way A A meaningful Psychological effect on popular culture would. Nfl deserve to sort of. I mean there are a lot of people that would say you know what I'll pass on a test for a couple of weeks if that means we can get a We can get games on Sunday. I but I. I know this is hard for you to believe that most people don't watch football on Sunday. I know most people. Don't I understand okay? But More People Watch football on Sundays than do most other things but most people don't like that's true. Yeah mostly you know what time most people don't watch the Super Bowl. No it's it's usually right around half for forty eight percent or whatever it is the but the thing you know he also you know in addition to him saying that you know it spreads and that would be a real problem. He did say that if you get a player on a team that tests positive and get sick you know there is the quarantine the team for fourteen days. That's two games and all the sudden they're two games or cancelled and I agree with you and I know you. You think the same thing. It's like every time and I'm trying to be optimistic about football in particular because I really look visually. I think it would be really devastating to the business that I'm in that you're in if there's no football in the fall. I want football in the fall. I want baseball I want. I want it all back. I do too but every time I think about it logically. I come to the conclusion that you came to before anybody else did before the NC Double A. Tournament. When I suggested to you what if one player test positive you think that that team would be you know basically out of the tournament. I asked my CDC neighbor that question remember and he said well maybe they should pick an extra ten teams on selection Sunday. You know replacement teams and I and I presented that to you and you just looked at me because you were in studio that day and you said it's over it's not going to be played and I'm like no no no no. I'm just saying if a player test positive will that team have to forfeit? May Be be at no no the tournament. It's not going to happen and I think it was the next Snyder. Two nights later Rudy. Gobert tested positive in the whole thing. You know what's really funny? In hindsight it was really sports that made this thing blow up in terms of the response in early March when when the NBA shutdown in the turnament shut down. It was like all happening. I know simultaneously with you. Know Mitigation and social distancing in trying to flatten the curve. In the whole thing but those were bombshells bombshells in the moment. You're right that that was a public alarm. That was race. That was an oath moment for people. This must be serious. 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Know a partial lecture Probably partially in Info Uninformed opinions More likely than not and and more non-sports than we usually like to do but I have a feeling that we've done that more often recently. I mean we don't any games to talk about God. I wish we could be talking about the NBA playoffs. We would be heading towards the conference finals at this point in both the NFL and the NBA playoffs If we were if we had live games But we don't All right I watched last dance actually got to it yesterday and last night episode seven and a did you like him. Yes I like. I like them a lot. I mean how can you not like? They'RE GONNA rain I. It's remarkable insight. it's this whole thing is great for Michael Jordan's legacy because for a lot of people it just reaffirms what they always believed about Jordan and it really really puts a lot of distance between the Jordan and La La Lebron argument although you know as I think will chamberlain two greatest player in NBA history for those who debate Lebron Jordan this. This documentary puts a lot of distance between that debate. I think no doubt I mean I think we we talked about that after the first two episodes and I mean I my I sort of anecdotally get it from you. Know my boys in the reactions from their friends etc. Not so much you for this. Because they're not around the house as much they're blown away by Jordan you know. I've had so many arguments with two of my three boys in particular about Lebron Kobe versus you know Michael Magic Larry those conversations over the years and they just they're like come on you know it's it's like they roll their eyes. I'm like I'm not a met talking about George Mike in for crying out loud. I'm talking about Michael Jordan and magic. Johnson and Larry Bird. Did they really play that? Long ago. But what's really been interesting has been their reaction to all of this like they're blown away with how great Michael was blown away and I think they recognize what we've been talking about for years. It's really he. It's open Jordan up to a whole new generation. Now now the episode seven and eight. I'm GONNA give you a couple of of parts that I liked for first of all on the father's passing And murder I did there. There are a couple of things that I think you know. were made very clear. For the conspiracy theorist which. I'm I'm not never sort of on that path with these things And I thought it was made so obvious by Gabu Mark What was the writer of rare rare? Mark Mansell do you know him? I know him very well. He Wou- Maniac is he. He goes up. He's been on Wyomia few times. Oh my God well to me crazy man crazy to me. He's been he's been really was really interesting in these two episodes for two reasons short very close to Jordan. No state for two reasons one. He very articulately and logically blows the conspiracy theory of Jordan being suspended for some gambling related reason out of the water. It makes it by the way. I've never felt that he. I've never sort of been inclined to think that that was some sort of suspension anyway but between him in David Stern in their comments. Essentially saying you know in. Mark Van Zyl said. Do you really think that David Stern would take his number. One asset is number one revenue producer and flush it with the number one team and all of the teams that have been essentially living off Jordan and the Bulls and damage the product. The way it would have been damaged by taking him out of the game for eighteen months. Of course he will right. Of course he would that there. There's there's a there's a question that essentially crushes almost every conspiracy is. Do you think everybody would stay quiet? Well there's always out something like this. There's always w see how hard it is. I remember I I forget who the CIA. A director was who had to resign because he was having an affair. But that's the head of the CIA. Couldn't keep secrets that he was having an affair. Likely like you know. These people are going to stay quiet for for years everybody involved. It's something like this. It's crushes almost every conspiracy yes no doubt portray us by the way it was portrayed as right the So they in turn like you know could stern lie. Of course the way he said it to tone in which he said it was convincing right and follow up to two remarks and by the way I saw people tweeting will the. Nfl suspended. Paul Hornung for a year and who was the other guy was at Alex Karras Tommy out so but but they weren't the Michael Jordan of the NFL come on I mean the NBA. First of all has never been big. I know but but Tommy on a packers was pretty big. The Bulls of the nineties in Jordan in particular were carrying that league carrying it on. Its back they were killing it because of this and so you're not eighteen months. Okay Michael Gets involved in some sort of gambling. You know Situation Michael. You're going to be suspended for the first two games of next year we can call it an injury. There's your conspiracy eighteen months. No so that was number one from Mark Van Zyl Number. Two was he specifically said that Jordan told him a year before. Jordan's father was murdered and he retired that he was going to retire after doing something that magic and bird didn't do which was win three in a row to go play baseball which you know. I think most people thought that his father's death was the primary reason that he retired He was planning on it according to advance. Now the one difference between a Paul Warning and Jordan is that the NFL is not built on starts right the NBA is built on has been built on stars. Since the magic and bird era and particularly during the Jordan era it was built on the biggest star in the history of the League. Right so yeah. It's a big. It's a big difference while while Paul Horning was a star on a star team the the. Nfl does not exist. Solely on the star on its players. You know completely agree. Yeah real quickly on him as a baseball player is I. Don't know that we've ever talked about this that much. Because I don't remember what you've said but I thought it was interesting that both Terry Francona And Jerry Reinsdorf who on the white sox and maybe somebody else that they all believe that Jordan would have made it to the major leagues. Do you feel the same way. I don't know adding to is is without any experience at double edged. It's pretty impressive right. Tim. You know So here's what nobody brought up. I can't believe nobody's brought this up. Jordan played that that winter in the Arizona Fall League which is the League where your best your best prospects play. Right Harper played baseball. Yes he hates who fifty one in the Arizona Fall League? He started with a thirteen game hitting streak but they said they were feeding them fastballs and then they started to throw the hook and he couldn't add it fell. He hit in the league with the best possible that baseball. He batted two fifty one. He was an oppressive Accomplishment what he did he fol thirty basis When he was amazingly with with with a double way. Let's not forget faith. Remember what Roy Williams said. He ran a four three eight Sub Four four at North Carolina forty. So so what we did. That was very impressive. But you know why I as an aside because this I was with him the day he realized that he was a scab. What do you mean with freight train? It was in Spring Training. Right Ninety five. The baseball strike was going on It was spring training and They were using minor leaguers at the time. We hadn't gotten to quote replacement players yet because they hadn't started the season yet So there were minor leaguers. Only Jordan was a minor leager so he reported to camp it was in Sarasota then and I was with a group of reporters maybe four or five reporters around locker when we told him that the the baseball union because he reported to camp considers him a scat and he was shocked by that he was surprised by five by just the idea that not got. I think it would be playing in games. But just him as a minor leager reportings a camp and taking part in spring training. The baseball players Union would consider him a sketch. We left right. He left he left. I think he left the next day So I was there when he figured out that Mike. His baseball career was over. That's interesting I do. I mean it is so hard. I've always felt this way in most of you. That if you know either read it or heard it or if you participated in sports may feel the same way hitting baseball was really hard. I played baseball through Ninth Grade Tenth Grade But you know basketball was my thing and I love basketball and I was a decent fielder and I could hit a little bit but when we got to like eighth ninth grade guys were thrown curve. Pulse that's when it really became very difficult and I wasn't into it. You know to me hitting a baseball is really is much a learned skill as it is in athletic feet. It's an athletic feat. Don't get me wrong. But it's also in very similar ways to hitting a golf ball. It's this learned trained skill. And what's really amazing about Jordan is that he hadn't played baseball in fourteen years. And he he's in the Arizona Fall League. He's in Double A. And he ends up Pitting Two oh two. It's it's it's really an incredible achievement. Which I guess is why a lot of those guys thought you know the incredible progress. He made such a short period of time that he eventually would have been and made the progress necessary to get to the big leagues. You know you're right. I mean it's it's an amazing achievement. He was ridiculed for it at the time. How about the whole sports illustrated thing on the covers? Sports illustrated bag at Michael. He never them again. Yeah yeah he was he was. He needs to manufacture. Grudges this with the real reason to have a grudge. And he took it to his entire career. He had a list like you did and do well how about the Bradford Smith thing I didn't realize. Cj told me this morning that he remembers reading that it was made up. I didn't realize it until the until last night when I was watching it. You know those realize he made it up the La- La Bradford Smith who played for the bullets back then had thirty seven against Jordan. In the first of a back to back against the Bulls and on the way off the court It always reported that. La Bradford Smith went up to Michael Jordan. Said Nice Game Mike Right. I think that's what it was. Nice game and he was fuming and he told his teammates the next night in Washington he would get what La Bradford Smith had a game in the first half Smith at thirty seven Jordan scored thirty six in the first half the next night on the way to forty-seven well will ban and Aldridge both confirmed that Michael told him years later. Bradford's La Bradford. Smith never said anything he just had to create a reason the reason should have been that La Bradford Smith got thirty seven on them but he had he had to add to it to to create a fire here. Here's the thing that I found really interesting in. These episodes. The playoff game against the Knicks. The year Jordan was out game three back in Chicago. When the Knicks had to game to nothing lead on the Bulls. Who won fifty five games that year? Without Michael Pippen was a star. Was Cou coaches first year in Chicago and the Bulls were good. They were really really good. And so were the knicks. This was the knicks. Chance to finally get by the Bulls without Michael there and in game. Three it's a famous game. Most of you know this if you're a sports fan or an NBA Fan Scottie. Pippen was with one point. Five seconds left in game three. The score tied at one zero two one zero to the knicks are up to nothing. The Bulls are back home. They need to win this game to get the series back on track a little bit and Phil Jackson draws up a play for Ku coach to take the final shot from with one point. Five seconds left now coup coach. They went through. This had made a lot of big shots during the course of that season late game. Game winning shots in so fill call. Dial up a for Ku coach. Well Pippen you know was so upset by it. He wouldn't go into the game he was asked to throw the inbounds pass the coup coach and he was so you know so angry with Jackson. He refused to go in the game with one point. Five seconds left now the rest of the story so it gets told about what happened after the game. And I'll get to that in a moment but I was thinking about this last night. You know they. The play worked Coach catches it turns. Fires knocks down a game winner. They win one. Oh four one. Zero of the series is two games to one. What if coup coach had missed the shot in the game had gone to overtime? Like WHOA I. I would love to know from Phil. Does anybody think that Scottie? Pippen would have played in the overtime. What if they had lost the game and not won the game in overtime with pippen or without him and pippen you know the the fact of the matter is they won the game but they didn't feel like walking off the floor because Kerr's telling the story I think it was Kerr is saying we're walking up floor and we're still stunned in and they liked. Scotty that's the thing they liked him. They respected him. And so this was really a surprise. Deal in Bill Cartwright. They all told the story address the team in the locker room and was in tears as he was telling pippen. You quit on us. How could you do that? You quit on your team. And they all said Cartwright was crying as he was as he was telling the story. Now Pippen apologized in back on track for that series but You know coach made the shot and you see by the way. I thought it was a really interesting shot at Phil Jackson. After he makes this shot Phil Jackson's just walking off the floor by himself with no smile. No anything 'cause all he's thinking about as all of them are with the exception of maybe coup coach is. Oh my God. What did Scottie Pippen? Just do? Yeah Yeah I mean. It's something that he'll Jordan said you'll never live it down and he's right. Yeah you know it comes up in every discussing. Yeah and he you know. The funny thing is pippen. Said that he'd do it again the same way which group. That's stupid that that at this stupid. You know stubbornness God only knows what that is. Let me ask you a question about the whole tone Particularly in in in in eight Part of the documentary of Mu- heart. Michael Jordan's competitive nature. Yeah so I I've got. I've got that you know as something I was going to get to. So let's get to it now You know it's it's funny like I. I you know Jordan told us before this whole documentary aired that a lot of people aren't going to like me when this is over we'll through the first six episodes there was nothing unlikable about him in fact he became more likable than me. But I do think after these last two episodes. They're people watching going men. What a dickey was you know he was really roughing out of line with guys like Scott? Burrell who basically made out to be like you know a submissive like you know soft guy. He's a good player in college. Really good player. I thought it was. I have no idea what would scotty. Burrell was as as a professional. But you know I wasn't I wasn't that turned off by it. I think a lot of it was a little bit sort of for drama You know if it was bullying you know. Did anybody really say that? He was a bully. I don't think anybody really said that. They said he was so overly demanding and tyrant like in actually his comment. And I'M GONNA paraphrase this but it was the end of episode seven. Tommy the first one the other night when he said some of you that are watching this probably thought I was a tyrant and not a very nice guy. But that's because you've never won anything that was really. He looks right into the camera. And says you might think I'm a tyrant or not a good guy but that's because you've never won anything and he said I know what what you see. That's where it goes off the rails for me. I understand whatever work for Jordan to motivate him and he's got the rings to back it up but there's more than one way to win there is you're right. I was GONNA say the exact same. Yeah and you don't have to be an asshole. No you don't be a winners. Don't sit there and say if you don't understand why I was sure you don't know winning. Yeah totally agree with you. I completely agree with you. Magic Johnson Larry Bird and Kareem in some of the greatest winners of all time may not have been anywhere near as big of an asshole. But it didn't make him any less competitive you know. I I I remember. I used to hear that a lot. You know in some of you out. There have heard that in business. Like if you're not really tough and if you're not you know you don't have to be an asshole to be successful. That's bullshit that's that's that's that's fake You know he said at the end of that episode. I wanted to win but I also wanted them to win and be a part of it as well. Now let me just say that in listening to the players. There's no doubt that he was hard in probably borderline bullyish and and at and a bit of a of a tool but I don't get the sense that they really hated him. You know a really disliked. Did you get that sense? I I don't think I really got that sense for many years. I didn't get that and so I think some of this may be overdone to make him out to be disliked killer competitor of all time that there's only one way to do it the Jordan way or the Kobe. I'm with you I I mean I do love. And and and like a lot of you guys can sort of identify the people that are hyper competitive versus just competitive because all of these professional athletes are competitive dudes. They wouldn't be there without it unless they're just exceptionally talented. Jordan is on edge. Kobe's on Edge Steve Smith senior on edge. Brian Mitchell a little bit on edge crazy you know Gary Clark like the guys that just sickens them to lose like losing is the the misery of losing is so much worse than the joy of winning and I know a lot of people like that. That aren't even in sports. You know but it doesn't mean you've got to be an asshole too but I think some of that asshole stuff with him was a bit overrated and listening. Some of the team mates actually now that I think about it there is. There was one player wispy although Beijing Armstrong was the one that Jordan called before he came back to say. Hey let's go get breakfast. Yeah because I had this sense. The B J Armstrong didn't have a good relationship with them there for for a little bit. I'm not sure anyone had a close relationship with No well the are any of our any of those guys friends. I don't think so I don't know I maybe not maybe not You know we'll Ben told me I asked Wilbon a couple of weeks ago right after the show started I had him on and he knows Jordan well and I said you know over the years just observations. Some of those guys like him are very. I said for the lack of a better way to describe it. They're sort of singularly focused in narrow Joe Gibbs. We always talk about Joe Gibbs like during the height of Iran Contra had no idea who oliver North West S- coach coaches football team. He didn't know anything that was going outside of getting his team. Prepared to beat the you know the Phoenix cardinals. You know who? They were three touchdown favorites over but he thought he was. GonNa lose. The game. Jordan had has sort of that I thought Jordan had some of that same thing and Wilpon said no no. No Jordan is very interesting. He's very interested. He's curious he's you know. He's traveled a lot and that he's that he's not that Which actually surprised me a little bit. But I don't know why I wouldn't have known any differently but I always sort of put the in sort of that same like no one could be that great and less. They're totally one hundred percent twenty four hours a day seven days a week working on that I agree. I agree and and you know what's interesting it hasn't translated to him as an NBA executive had. No it hasn't and you know why Harrison One guy I thought of I I one guy. Thought of Throughout all this was how miserable. Kwami Brown's life must have been God. We'll bun told me soula stories. Yeah he must been. I mean no buck told me those stories you know buck and Phil have a podcast out and buck told me some of the stories being on the plane and Hal Jordan just was just relentless towards kwami Brown. 'cause kwami reflecting Yeah Number One. What did he say What did Oh a buck told the story to me He said that after a few months of kwami Brown or maybe it was after the first year of kwami Brown told Buck and a couple of other people I learned a valuable lesson when it came to kwami Brown. I will never again draft a player. That can't palm a basketball. Apparently Kwame Brown had small hands. Couldn't palm a basketball and he said especially for a big guy that needs to close at the rim finishes at the rim. You know he would need two hands. Not One he said. I'll never ever draft a player. The can't palm a basketball again But anyway the this stuff I thought the end of episode seven was really sort of dramatic with the way Jordan. You know said you know you don't think you think I'm a tyrant you don't think I'm a good guy but that's because you've never won anything and I I tend to agree with you. I totally tend to tend to agree with you. But that was you know. That's the way he did it. There are lots of ways to skin. It worked for him yet. But but here's one I think truism you know to be at his level You really have to have that hyper competitive gene again. That and being a jerk. Don't go hand in hand. Necessarily you know magic was ridiculously competitive. Bird was Kareem was cream. Wasn't very likable but you know but anyway That was the way he did it. That was his mentality you know. And he said he said that was the way I did it. That was meant my mentality. And if you didn't WanNa play that way then don't play that way you know You know and you're not going to be a part of this team by the way. When he came back you know it was. Like cou coach and Kerr the new guys that he hadn't played with that essentially caused the confrontation in the fight between Jordan. Incur and Kerr swung at him in hit him in Jordan swung at him and hit him back but curse standing up to Jordan. It sounds like no one else had ever done that before. Which I find this stunning. I find that nobody was willing to take on. Michael I just find amazing. Yeah Yeah you know what I mean. I been if I'm playing a guy on the court like that in the old days when I play. I'm GonNa take them on. I get my act puts your swinging. Yeah well that he had respect for curry said that after after that incident And Curse said that their relationship you know was great after that that there was a real mutual understanding and they obviously played well together by the way. I saw this Oh When he came back know at the end of the At the end of the ninety five season I thought you know He. He was admittedly very nervous. I'd forgotten that. He put his shorts on backwards for that. First Game. That's actually pretty funny. But I saw this on debt. I saw this on twitter and I think it's actually sort of an interesting question. That is if Jordan never retired at the end of ninety three. How many titles would he have won? I mean the answer is still six seven or eight I agree well. No what which of those three answers would be. I think it would be eight. You do yeah. I think one of the things we learned from the these last two episodes is how physically exhausted. He was at the end of ninety. Three you know. And by the way those Houston teams. Were really good. The Houston teams. That won it. Were were really good teams. I mean I. I've always thought this that I would have loved. They never played Houston in the finals. You know it was Lakers Portland Phoenix and then Seattle Utah Utah. So they never ever played the allies. You're Juan Houston teams and I would have loved to have seen that matchup. I think that would have been phenomenal. Because those rockets teams were really really good teams. They were. I mean it would have been really interesting to see that matchup in ninety six ninety seven or ninety eight and I forget specifically you know we're Houston got knocked out along the way those years on but we never got to see that And that that's too bad because that would have been their best competition. You know the the Lakers team they beat originally was not a Kareem Lakers team. Who's of Lottie? Defeat device along with worthy in magic and Byron. Scott it Sarah When they beat you know Portland you know. They weren't as good as the Bulls. Phoenix certainly had a shot Utah played tough twice Seattle. You know we went to six in that series. The by the way that's the Was the other part. We didn't talk about Gary Payton. Basically scoffed at Peyton and laughed at Dayton. Talking about how. Maybe if he had checked him for the entire series but Maybe the best matchup and the team that could have beaten him would have been you know that rockets team especially the one the second one That that Had Clyde Drexler on it so you had that second one had it. Had it had Kenny Smith at a drexler. It had Big Shot Bob Probably still had Vernon Maxwell Scott Brooks was on that team. I asked him about that a couple of weeks ago. He was on that that championship team that Houston Championship team. Okay didn't play much but anyway yeah all right what else you got. I liked IT I. I've loved I've loved the whole thing I think it's been exceptional by absolutely all right Nothing else I got nothing else. The only Y- The only other thing I just thought was really interesting. Real quickly is Caesar's had these Super Bowl at had these I'm sorry. Nfl MVP odds that they came out with yesterday and Mahomes obviously is the favourite and Jackson is the is the second favourite to win the NFL. Mvp If we have an NFL season you know the third favourite was and this really surprised me so mahomes was four to one. Jackson was thirteen two to six and a half to one and then at nine to one the third favourite to win the NFL. Mvp next year was Dak Prescott at nine to one. And Unlike Dak Prescott more than Russell Wilson more than Tom Brady in Tampa more than Aaron Rodgers. More than drew brees. And the point I would make. Is that this. These odds are also very reflective of what Vegas thinks about the teams that these players are going to play for so they are very on the cowboys. Caesar's is anyway and the cowboys. Do have a really good roster. You know who knows who knows about McCarthy but it's almost like they're saying you know if Jack Plays on the on the franchise tag. Mccarthy is better than Jason Garrett They've got you know they added CD lamb in the draft to already you know Amari Cooper and they've got zeke Elliott You know they still have some defensive issues in spots but for him to be the third. Mvp pick means that they really are high on Dallas next year which I thought was interesting. Like Carson Wentz isn't even anywhere near the top that Brady to me would have been the third pick Brady Rodgers or breeze before prep Prescott But no doubt the Dallas Cowboys quarterback is always going to be a high profile But that's the this. Is You know that that's an MVP. Pick I mean I don't think any I don't think your General Fan would think of Prescott. Is the third best player in the League or the best quarterback in the League or the you know. They're just not thinking that way. And that's not necessarily in the odds creation for the award because you've got to be on a team that's gonNA that's perceived to be a good team But Russell Wilson Aaron Rodgers drew. Brees Tom Brady to me. Would have been much higher if you'd ask me before. I saw this much better odds to win an NFL MVP next year the Dak Prescott and Prescott is pretty good. I don't think he's he's a decent quarterback Manny's make a Lotta money next year if he plays on the tag. Okay I'm done you're done. We'll talk on Thursday thanks.

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New Age Arrival

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20:03 min | 1 year ago

New Age Arrival

"Today the world looks pretty different but IBM is helping me. New problems with new thinking. Researchers are using supercomputers to discover treatments faster. Retailers are turning to the cloud to restock shelves more quickly. Teachers are working with a I to rethink the classroom. It's not all we can do but it's a start. Let's put smart to work see how. Ibm is helping IBM dot com slash. Cova nineteen crazy. Oh Man in the attic episode. Forty-seven we'll go on. We're going to start today with Aaron Rodgers. Some breaking news at the end of the League. We'll start with the fact that Bob Mcginn. I think you covered the packers for a thousand years. Wrote in the athletic took a shot at Rogers called him quote. Green Bay's imperial quarterback in his passive aggressive style. Mcginn says that Matt L- floor is sick. Rogers and this whole thing is a shot across the bow and then just today Brett Farve told Rich Eisen. Let's get this quote. I think Erin will finish somewhere else. That's my gut feeling unquote. What do you make of all this Tony when they drafted Jordan love everybody including anybody who's ever played in Green Bay the last thirty years when own my God I mean on one hand you can see the packers feeling? Look we did this once. We have bred farve. We won with him. And we're GONNA win with Aaron Rodgers and they got it right but man you this on the subsequent Mondays Being Aggressive Act and Tony lists like you were right. I mean I believe far. That would be my instinct now. Having her does he talk to Aaron Rodgers. He knows what's up. And you see all these guys of great quarterbacks moving on the end of their careers. It seems that I just wanted to let me ask you real quickly. Winded Matt. Leflore become Vince Lombardi. I mean seriously coaches Mris of run the world. There's a very good point because one thing we know about Aaron Rodgers is. He's going to the hall of fame. Please let me know Matt. Leflore is voted in. It looks to me. It looks to me that this is a team in conflict right now. I understand that Aaron Rodgers can be difficult to deal with year. We saw him say. Why are we doing this drill? This drill is stupid but you accommodate you best player. He's done great work without a lot of talent around him. This feels Mike like they are on a collision course. And let me give you the future. If Jordan Lov is really good everything is fine but if somehow Aaron Rodgers gets away and Jordan. Love isn't any good then. This coach in this general manager are out in the street yet. Tony No we have to think that scenario and it's all it's all going to be determined by how good Jordan love is and Tony now. Having her this how early he's GonNa play. I mean I kept thinking that at the beginning of you by the time the announce his name and you got used to that I was thinking. Okay he could sit for two years. Aaron Rodgers can play two years. Who knows what Aaron Rodgers WanNa do then? Even the left two more years left on his deal but now I'm thinking they might try to put him in their late next year or the year after. If Aaron Rodgers isn't ten to going into who knows I'll get out of this real quick but I'm going to remind people. They traded up to get him. They wanted Jordan love and this is the beginning of. I think the fallout from that decision. The Arctic you're right Tony. We're going to to baseball Tony in sort of the fifty third plan. We've heard USA Today reports. That baseball is cautiously optimistic. About a new plan that would see baseball return in late June or early July with thirty teams thirty all thirty broken up into three ten team divisions east central and West. The All American League and National League designations will go away for the season tone. Would you be okay with this reformatting based on geography and a shorter season? I'm okay with this right now with an east amid West and west and no American league no nationally. I'm okay for one season. I'm okay 'cause I think this if they get a season is is the experimental year. I had Jeff Passan today on the podcast and we were talking about this and he said the most important thing to baseball and the reason they're doing this is for local television to make sure that every single baseball game gets on at seven PM local time that's why they've done a geographically because that's where the money is in baseball. It's in local television. When that was explained to me I understood it and the other part that he said was for every Clayton Kershaw on Mike. Trout you gotta remember. There are three hundred other players that don't make that kind of money and they want to play well Tony. In this scenario people would be playing in their localities right. And so you wouldn't have times on basically basing told I don't believe any plan that includes greatness sequestration from us. I don't believe quarantine but I don't believe that 'cause twenty three year old dudes then not even social distancing now. We hear about House parties on the increase. We hear about people gathering. You see photos people posted. I'll believe any of that. This makes more sense. Our hope it can happen over. GonNa Happen in June or July. Hopefully we still. I say this every time we talk about a plan have to see in which way the world tilts before baseball or anything else can get back out there but this sounds more reasonable by the way if they do this now is going to impact the way they move forward in the future with travel and planning for division just will. I'm just going to say this that right now. The political and social reality is that America is opening up. The state where you are Arizona has been open but a lot of us in the east are going to witness soon. America OPENING UP NOW. It may turn out that they have to go back to shutting everything down but right now. America is moving the other way towards opening up and I think that there are only seven teams that are out of their time zone and five or only out by one hour on his right. Yeah this is about television then. This is the way that they're going. I'm going to switch to basketball now. Another top rated prep star. A kid has bypassing college. And he's going directly to the G. League his name is Dacian Knicks and inches de committed from Ucla decommitted. So John Calipari is out there saying. Whoa hold on a second. This is going to entice kids that are in eighth grade and ninth grade and tenth grade. This is bad and I ask you for the second time in about a week. Do you now see the G. League as legitimate competition for college competition. No can they steal kids off the top yes? Of course we saw this with high school. Kids Tony Back. In the draft of whatever it was two thousand one were kwami Brown and Tyson Chandler and it was a bunch of kids and did it change college basketball up to believe it really did. Not Kids did not go to college or the period from ninety five with Kevin Garnett and ninety six with Kobe through the early. Two Thousand. Two thousand one hundred thousand. It didn't it didn't kill college basketball. You don't have so much money coming from the G. League that you're talking about thirty or forty kids. If you were still talking about ten kids you're talking about probably six programs that are going to be largely impacted. Is it going to be a? Wow we're GONNA pay attention to those kids. Yes but also Tony. Don't forget that now that the NC double A. is going to allow kids do nasty to make money off their own weaknesses. You can go to them. If you're coach cal or whomever Mike Chef whomever you could say. Wait a minute you can make some money here too. You can sell your Game Worn Jersey. You can do a movie. You can be involved in money making efforts of your own. So do I think that is going to by itself? Alter College basketball the landscape. No I don't so I'm GonNa just I'm just GONNA push back a little bit the reason it didn't hurt college basketball because the NBA put in the one and done rule so now you had to go to college basketball for at least one year in terms of the NCAA that to me is a recognition that the NCAA worry about. Perhaps the G. League so they're offering the this particular enticement what you write about one hundred percent is it's not gonNA impact most programs because most programs. Don't get a sniff of these kinds of kids. It's funny impact the Kentucky's in the Dukes and the top ten to twenty programs is not going to impact. Binghamton what we worry about. As people from like Penn state just poached our best player. You know but we're not we're not worried about how two hundred and fifty schools aren't worried about this. I will say this though Mike. This has a sense that the G. League is maybe doing a little recruiting and I do believe that for the top level kid if you give them a bunch of dough for one year and then send it to the NBA. I do think there's impact I do think there's competition I do again. Somebody's really talk. How many kids the G. League play like pay light that six eight four change change the fundamental structure and Mike. You have to look at this year. This year in particular has to be judged against the prism of the Corona Virus. And the notion that maybe colleges won't even open in the fall so there's nuance this year that you don't get another mix of more attractive. Even perhaps Tony. I agree with you that you know what it's time for our fourth story you notice time for. Every day it's time for Jordan dock and the fallout that comes from it and Tony. I know how much you have. One of your favorite stories Rod. Thorn was the Dream Team Selection Chair back in one thousand nine hundred ninety two he tells golic and Wingo Vista morning. The Michael Jordan never asked him to exclude Isaiah. Thomas from the Dream Team never asked. Oh my God this is GonNa kill some people do Jordan. Never ask that tone they give us your best reason as to why is Ahah Thomas? One of your favorite players of all time was not on the Dream Team. Isaiah Thomas I believe should have been on the Dream Team on merit and you know that you know. I believe that Jordan may not have asked but Jordan didn't want him on the team. Everybody knows you're on. Nobody wanted him on the team. I talked to somebody who is a dear dear friend of chuck. Daly talk to him for hours and hours and hours for years and years and years and what he said to me was look nobody. None of the players wanted Isaiah on this team. None of the coaches wanted. Isaiah on this team jump daily originally pushed to get Isaiah but when the push back came from everybody chucks that I've got to how peace with the team that I select so I'm GonNa Bite it on this and I'm going to say I won't insist on Isaiah. I think you've heard things similar to that. Haven't you over the years yet? Tony is you know? I was not only in Barcelona monte-carlo with the training camp was held. And listen. I this story as we go on and people are grown and they have children and grandchildren like Oh my God. How long are we going to have the story? And I know it is juicy. There are two narratives that should be overturned about Michael Jordan. One that he got Doug Collins fired from the coach of the Bulls. It's so stupid because you see Jordan on tape and real time saying I love Dot Collins to Washington coaching. Yes that's that's get that out of here and there was a Dream Team Tony. We've heard Michael wasn't even he hadn't even said Yes to be on the team yet. And we know is Ahah. Thomas was then a polarizing figure the Pistons were polarizing and Isaiah. Thomas was the greatest player on the Pistons and so multiple players. Felt this way before Michael. Say Yeah. I'll be on the team. 'cause thorn had to go back to them and say okay. I Got Bird. I got magic. Got Charles I got an Michael said. Okay I'll do this to. I'll gladly join in and they didn't you. We know this is true. This is this is real history. They didn't want him on the team. Molten nine out of twelve. Probably as many as that and he wasn't on the team. And so you look back Tony I. I feel bad for couples. Look this their team. They can do what they WANNA do. Christian lateness should not have been on that team. I'm not saying they could've put Isaiah Thomas on the team but I know Kristie. Lateness should not have been on that team. They should have another pro team Isaiah. Thomas was the best player at the time but it was. The chemistry was not there and it was not going to work in too. Many players had made that known. And so that's what we are now but the notion of Jordan by himself. No stop it. Just just not true. So I'll just wrap this up with a couple of points. It was going to be one college on that team and Christie. Leitner had the best two years in a row and earned entry onto that team. There was a spot reserved the thing about Thomas and he should stop now he should not contest Michael Jordan. Now he's going to lose this in a bad look. The thing about is. That team was so great. They didn't need anyone of those players. They didn't need them so they were able to put together. Stockton was a great player and there was going to be no controversy. This this this has got to stop. That's all I'm saying. It's got to stop this net. Tony the reason. It's so important to a lot of people so many years later who don't remember it happening in real time like you and I do. The greatest team ever assembled. It's the greatest team ever civil. Sorry Major League Baseball sorry. Nhl SORRY NFL you. None of them ever had a team with these people on Simultaneously. Who are the greatest of the great? And that's why this is still an issue that people pay attention to GEICO. Gets you access to licensed agents twenty four seven? Which means that. Geico is always there for you. If only everyone was always there for you like your wife when you forget your keys at work and you get my texts. I am looking for the spare house key. Maybe I can get through. The window. Turns OUT THE ALARM WORKS. Heat works fast. You should probably Geico always there for you with savings and twenty four seven access to licensed agents. You know the drill. I've put on the glasses. I go to the happy happy. Fiftieth Birthday Andre Agassi Agassi was a teenage sensation rockstars at tennis player and ultimately the winner of eight majors including the career. Grand Slam. He has four Aussie opens to. Us Open's one. Each at Wimbledon and the French. He also won the gold medal in the one thousand nine hundred ninety six Olympics giving him the title of the Golden Slam yet. In the Pantheon of American tennis players he ranks behind. Pete Sampras Jimmy Connors and John McEnroe the all of them trail Agassi in style points and boy band impact. What are the odds that Agassi would be the second most accomplished tennis player in this household? One hundred percents married to Steffi Graf who won twenty two majors. They have two children. Agassi's life is a study in contrast he went from hair extensions to shaving his head from Brooke Shields to Steffi Graf from behaving badly to funding and running a charter school. Read Agassi's autobiography open. It is a triumph of self analysis and told his life seems to be a triumph. You talk about a charitable athletes in American history world history Agassi. You Way way way up the list and if people think folks don't change or they're incapable of change the time near Nineteen to whatever in your thirties. And by the way his rivalry with Sampras let's that was as good as anything American sports AC- Happy Anniversary Jerry West on this day fifty years ago. The very day that Andre Agassi was born Jerry. West showed why they call them. Mr Clutch by sinking sixty foot shot at the BUZZER to send game three of the NBA Finals against the New York Knicks into overtime nowadays. That would have been the game winner in one of the most famous shots of all time. Because it would've counted for three points but not then the Knicks ultimately won that game and the series when Willis Reed. The captain inspired his team to a game. Seven Win West only won one title as a player. But as an executive with the Lakers in the warriors he created a mythology in the sport beginning with being an all American in West Virginia winning an Olympic gold medal in one thousand nine hundred sixty and extending all the way through being the actual figure the NBA logo is patterned. After you can usually find Jerry West in the courtroom the Bel Air Country Club. He is living history. Will you have found him there? I have found him there and I find him anywhere. I go because this does better storyteller person to around and just hear the history of the League. If you don't want if you get a chance to spend an hour with Jerry West you don't take it get out of the world get off the planet because you don't care about basketball Jerry West by the way in that Clip Tony. I think you could see a number twelve running off the court hanging on Jerry West. I think that was pat. Riley was it not may well have been happy trails to Derrick. Jeeter going into the hall of fame this year. Bob Nightingale of USA Today reports that the Baseball Hall of Fame Induction Ceremonies scheduled for July is expected to be postponed until twenty. Twenty one. Leaving jeeter Larry Walker and Ted Simmons to wait a while everything in cooperstown. New York is shut down at the moment and the economic lost the areas estimated to be as much as one hundred and fifty million dollars cooperstown was expecting a record crowd drawn there by New York. Idle jeeter. It's a great annual celebration with Living Hall of famers and close to eighty thousand people. All of whom stand next to each other. A social distancing nightmare in the state hit hardest by corona virus. Cooperstown is beautiful tiny jewel with a great hotel. The oldest saw a terrific golf course leather stocking. It's about five blocks of baseball memorabilia surrounded by a bunch of baseball fields where kids teams play tournaments for few weeks every summer. Cooperstown is baseball heaven but not this year my no Tony and it's one of the many many many many things. It's just makes you sad if you've ever been there. I've been there eight years ago. My nephew Jordan was playing for his team. Chicago suburban team and they got pretty far and he played in cooperstown multiple games and just to be there the fields and the kids and their parents and then we went to the hall of fame. And we take the jerseys out with the gloves and you're holding Jersey for you and when I say Jersey I mean it might say three Ruth it could if you ask them to take it out and they take it out for you was just this. I don't know it just feels like there's nothing like it in sports to me and I know that you agree with that because I've been there a lot and I will say that I got to see that Jersey and stitched in the back is George H Ruth Ainhoa Babe on that thing. No George George H. Yeah we stayed in that room for a little while because you old man I wanna see every possible jersey. I can see nothing like.

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Oh La La Land

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00:00 sec | 2 years ago

Oh La La Land

"Interruption. But on Mike robot his national sunglasses day. Tony fan of sunglasses only with a bowl of baby. I'm trying to Elton. No. You collins. Both those guys you have. Fan I more than Buzi, but booty nonetheless. Yes. But I think I think most people would look at me and they were think that the obvious choice was Elton John. That point had to read afro. You could've gone Buzi Elton John, and I both shared the gene of losing have pretty early. We're gonna PTI boys and girls and today's episode the World Cup team faces a huge chance challenge. His canter questions. Zion Williamson and Wayne Rooney scores. An unbelievable goal. But we begin today with a bombshell, move by the much maligned, Lakers, GM, rob Pelinka by unloading Wagner, and people named Isaac Bonga and genereal Jones to the pathetic washing. Pelinka got enough cap room to go after max free agent adding to this newly-acquired, Anthony Davis waved, a four million dollar trade bonus and Yahoo was reporting get this, that Kawai Leonard will meet with the Lakers, as well as the clippers will still wanna scoff at the Lakers in their prospects of sees scoff. Yes. You did. You did you laugh at you? The one who had them being unsalvageable and all that about. No, no, no, no, no. When they were installed his favorites about a week and that stuff. And that's what I'm saying. So look has also gonna meet with other teams like the clippers and he's going to have the last team off the last at bat will be the Toronto fans very day, Tony. I just think that it's some point, the Lakers have to have other people on their team. They can't go out the no matter how great the three or four people, they are have the K go three against ten or eleven with some really good teams. Like Denver could have. Later in the playoffs Toronto could have depending on kuwa-. So I'm just saying Tony, who's the one guy you're going to bring in now. Okay. Just put Jimmy Butler and play it doesn't today. What's high RIA, Kyrie Irving and play already in play? He's in play now, because going somewhere with Kevin Durant means you sit out for a year. Krantz threatened soccer play. That's right. Jimmy Butler is certainly in play and Leonard, I believe, is implied. And I'm gonna go through this at all. They often fourth guy they've got Kyle Kuzma. There are people that have won championships will the Bron James sitting around Kyle Korver JR Smith. Iman Shumpert, maybe Channing Frye, maybe Dwayne Wade. And maybe they're willing to play for no money at all to win another championship. If there is a third max free agent guy here. This is great for the league. This is this is Laker games starting at seven pm eastern time, because everybody wants to watch them. This is great for Frank Vogel goes. Whoa, look, what I'm sitting on this. Great for Adam silver. Because my these are the Lakers. This is an extraordinarily important franchise. This is all of that all I'm saying to you is, you know, every decade or so you go it gets harder for even the pillars of the league in any sport to win because other teams have really smart folks keep away. That's in the south. That's right. And they hire those people, and they go to places like Toronto and San Antonio, and San Francisco slash Oakland, and they can win there. Yes. So the Lakers are not going to just walk over anybody. I'm just saying to you. They traded three more serviceable guys you never heard of it doesn't matter. Whether you heard of you hadn't heard of the raptors people who helped win a champion new those peop-, I'd watched them in, 'cause I knew Larry new van, those people, here's I think you're just in denial. I don't want the Lakers to be good gonna be. If they get if they get the why. Irving baller if they get these people, you can put serviceable nominee bully league one. Yeah. You get serviceable people from the Geely, this, do you remember the movie last year member LeBron was didn't work didn't work all because they had this functional management last year and dysfunctional teammates, the whole mantra of the blues brothers. We're getting the band back together. Again, this is so good for the league. So good you just happy because you've heard of the Lakers, I have heard 'cause I've watched him play. I've been there. I'll tell you this. The nets are second to the Knicks even though the Knicks disaster and the clippers and they won forty eight later figure why that's an aunt who forty eight win big time deal. And if the Lakers counting with Kyrie Irving or Jimmy time deal, we move now to the much anticipated quarterfinal game of the World Cup the United States playing France in Paris tomorrow. Nobody thinks game should be around. Eight the US is the number one team Francis number four. But given the. Huge states here will Bonn, would it be a failure of the United States lost. No. You know I don't even favor the US team. I don't care what I said. You know hubadoo that not surprise. You do that either, but Francis, the number fourteen not the number fourteen teen number twenty four one therefore top-four final four. That's playing at home. I'm sorry. They France which has beaten the United States in two. Recent important competitions France oughta be favored. And if I am in any way involved with the French side, I'm gonna be favoring France to win this game. I'm going to go the other of the United States for this reason, they are the number one team understand this on the road understand that they're the number one team in the world. They have won this before. They've won this, I think three times they've won the Olympics four times. So people on that team have a legacy of understanding what it's like to play an important games, not necessarily in your own place. So they know how to do that. I wanna get to the word failure though. Because like you, I would not use the word. They've lost four nothing. I might you know, but France, for example wins and then goes on to win the entire tournament, then yourself. Okay. They're a better team. And it's not a failure the word I would use his delight I believe the rest of the world would be delighted if the United States lost to France because of the way they ran their yet will. That's the way they had celebrations they have made themselves into the New England Patriots and people like to see always delighted when teams from the United States. Do you think the only time I didn't see that happening over ten Olympus? You've covered nearly that men soccer. They expect them to lose any time that didn't happen with the dream team. And people have started out thinking I'd like to get there's nobody like, oh, no, no, no, no. They we love these peop-. That's, that's the only people want the US to lose is part of the charm is part of being the United States going into that this team put a larger target on his that we agree that they party disliked him. It's okay, just like you. That's what it is. What is what is? Vegas. You have no idea. No, you know what actually I don't have a hotline Vegas. Let your Uncle Sam and most have single. Now, you going back forty five years. The only single more hyped than this soccer game. And that would be Zay on who is now his own news industry in his canter, got himself in trouble yesterday by telling Colin coward, that he thinks is quote over hyped, and then a good comparison would be Julius Randle with hops. Actually, that sounds reasonable or even better to me. Does it to you? I watched it was the way he said it quite dismissively. It was an insult to Julius canter. It was an insult. Juice Randall juice rental who came back and tweeted this funny. This is great to cantor. Quote, last time, you guarded me. I had forty five relaxed, bro. Now, wait. Hold on a second. That is funny line. Yeah. At this point, having been reports wasn't our lives. I'm betting at that very point. You went and looked up. What Julius Randle average last year? You want to tell the people that want to nine he's good player. He was in the world when he wanted good player. And I'm not sure I on Williamson's gonna average twenty one and nine in his freshman rookie year. Whatever but, but my sensitive is that who died and made Kanter an expert on these things. Exactly did that. We'll take in his cancer now because everybody wants somebody to come on their podcast radio and be candid and forthcoming and insightful and cancer is a great author, even as the biggest bullseye and sports seems to be on his back. He comes on talks with he stands at a gay. He talks with you, and this analogy there's a reason people think Julius Randle no longer necessary on New Orleans. 'cause Arianna is like Julius Randle, plus expectations. Royal, y you're praising on prey into while you do that. You in something, he said, within thirty seconds in that interview what within thirty seconds after I believe he was dismissive only assessing that, okay? He said this quote, if Zion develops a shot he'll be hall of Famer so in Thurs Jenkins, he went from saying guy was too, if he can shoot. He's a hall of one more time, wouldn't you? If you're new warriors, if you take one nine take it take it, absolutely kanter's. Right. To me. Can't goes the way he said it was it was the, you know, the context of don't you think I thought he was all right? I thought it was all right here in the tank for him. I am. I like him. There you go. So only revenging into a new area today on what we are going to videotape comparisons of soccer goals excited, I am. This score in question is Wayne Rudy of your DC United the first goal came a few months ago and you can see him go straight, uncle Charlie on this. Right. Footed kick from an impossible angle inside the far post the second one which was last night right here in your neighborhood. Yeah. We're Rooney suckers, the Orlando keeper the same goof gave up the first goal on the shot from nearly seventy yards. And with that, Tony, we will now break it down. Which goal was better. Let me get to one thing. I my DC United, what is your mailing address? But as Maryland. That tells the soccer fish three miles from the stop it. Okay. All right. So it's which is better as interesting. They're both great these both great air Greg. If I have to choose, which is better because as you say, there's no angle, there's on the kick from last year. There's a baby, jaw March. It's always in there, whatever it is. And it hits the pose. It's absolutely perfect. It's absolutely perfect. But last night, what he did is such an embarrassment is humiliated. He gets them out of position and he burns them. And he is asked after the game about that. And apparently, he says, I work on that I've seen this goalie before I know that you can get him in a position where he's not close enough. And he kicks it from. I don't know a mile and a half away. And it in the sense of the first one is more spectacular this one seems more meaningful, at, of course when you mean all the time for guys a five iron in his hands. That's right. Because this curvature. Of the, by the way, we're all the dope. Say a ball dozen curve, these people. They're they're flatter people as well. But Tony is the first goal the first bills better because of the amicable doesn't curve ended lightning at them. I say all you just say this about ruining. A lot of these guys come over here from Europe, Washington, they stink. Here's ruining who's trying hard. He's got twenty one goals in thirty four starts. He's got twelve assists. So that's a point game. That's that's better than the cantor better quickly. See better than you'll Hong not, thank you. But. Let's take a break. I mean up Julie Foudy joins us from Paris to breakdown. Tomorrow's big World Cup game. Didn't smoke on the bench. Well, so can all you later? Tony predicts the starting lineup with the be all star game both leagues position physician. Yeah. I'm going to predict Trump. I'm just gonna take trout's trout good. Make the cut yesterday. A write in on the SP shown understand that. Story we broke in our first segment team USA takes on France. Tomorrow in the World Cup. And we are pleased to welcome back. PT is Paris bureau chief ESPN soccer analyst, Julie Foudy. Let's start with this. You played in these sorts of things you played overseas. You played in a lot of places is home field, really that big deal. It really is that big a deal, but it also can be double edged sword when we were hosting ninety nine for example that women's World Cup. You have all this energy of the crowd in the stadium, and it's and it's so it's so energetic. In terms of how just lifts you as a team. But it's also the pressure. And if France on Friday, stops, doing well or it's late in the game down a goal or it's tied, you never know could be a double-edged shore could crumble under that pressure. And that's what the United States is hoping crumble, though, be interesting. But we don't necessarily think they'll crumble Julia because Francis pretty good. Why, why is the French side? So good. Gosh. Michael, they they're so good because they're good all over the field. And in the past French teams have been good with maybe five six players. And now you're seeing across all three lines. Ford's midfields defenders strong on all three lines. They're fast. They're technical. They're good finishers. They haven't played. I don't think to their potentia and here's the one thing people. Don't talk about a lot. The one thing United States players always have is usually countries fear them, and France has had the US basically, and it's back pocket, these last two years, they beat them in two thousand seventeen they beat the United States, three nil and they beat him just in January three to one, and it could have been more, like five to one. So for the first time the US coming into a game where country doesn't actually fear them. And I think that's obviously going to play mentally and France favor. Actually use the phrase, the French side in the spirit of the go soccer here. You bet on their leave our Julius. Any concern that the United States could not score against Spain in the course of play. Only on penalty kicks this something to be wary of. Yes. Tony other some there is some concern, because Spain play the USO well and Megan repeat, no Turin emission said I didn't have a great game. Alex Morgan was quiet Tobin heath was quiet. We started the tournament saying if this team is going to win this World Cup. Unlike in two thousand fifteen when they did it on the backs of their defenders, it's going to happen have to happen, this time around on the backs of their forwards. And these are the moments quarterfinals in Paris against France, where a player like Alex Morgan, although she had five games. It was against five goal. Sorry. It was against Thailand. This is a legacy game for her. I think she's gotta show in the big moment, she's going to step up and have a great game. Let's go to goalkeeping four second because the last time we talked to you last week, we talked about concerns about US goalkeeping have those fears, Julie been allayed. Well, everyone saw the Elissa Nair mistake. And she talks about it after the game against Spain where she plays that, that short ball into Becky Sauerbrun who gets her pocket picked, and, and spank comes back and equalizers soon after the US at scored. And she says, look, and I agree with her. Those are gifts in a sense when you live through them and you live for another day for another game. Because what it taught is hey, I can I can make a mistake like that. You never want to see it happen it with a goalkeeper in particular, but I can live after it. And so, I think it actually could be a blessing in disguise, and it's a good little reminder for that team with how good that Spain game was a good little reminder that. Okay. Yes. We had some success in the group stage, but this is clearly a different level and they know France will be a different level. But your point it has not eased, my concerns with the goalkeeping position, we want to broaden this out for a second. Just ask you about the atmosphere there and about the event there. What does it feel like you've been in a lot of the? These as a player yourself. I mean, is it a crusade to beat the US in this particular around? What, what does it feel like? Yeah, it is. And you know the thing with the US is we travel with so many fans in every home game, hat, sorry, every game as felt like a home game for the United States and in Ron's and lahar, which is where their last game was even in Paris, they had twenty thousand strong they've been taking over stadium. So this'll be the first time that obviously, I think, in Paris, and they're playing the host country, it's going to be a pro France crowd, and that's gonna play part in the country. Here is so excited about their team their numbers. They've getting ten million watching their first game. They've, they've been drawing more fans than they ever had have of course, for their team. So they're entirely enthusiastic about knocking off the defending World Cup champions as everyone always is hard. So, so we'll get you oughta here on this given the fact that it is in Paris, given the fact that your. Apprehensions about the goalie of not necessarily been allayed given all of that stuff which way are you leaning in this particular game? Come on. Come on. Yeah. We go. All that they're still going to win. And that's the thing I love about this group. Honestly, is this is a team and you can hear it when they talk they live for these moments you have veterans on this team and Megara piano, Tobin heath, and Alex Morgan, you go down the list. Alley Krieger, and these players are saying, oh my gosh. This is the moment you dream about you want the host in the quarterfinal game against France in Paris on a Friday night. And so I love that they're willing to embrace that pressure, and I think they're going to do well under that pressure. So I'm taking the United States of America. It's official so. Appreciate it. All right, guys. Thanks a steak one last break. But still to come catcher. Russell Martin pitches. Second one two three inning. Is he for real? And how worry should the yanked be about Carlos Stanton's latest trip to the injured list? You know what they hit a million home runs without him. They do. You know, I don't think they need a judge. Still playing. Yeah. People have twenty second birthday Yordan Alvarez Alvarez a rookie outfielder for the Houston Astro Ria's played in fourteen games already has seven home runs and eighteen RBI which is what we call on pace for Cooperstown, he doesn't just hit home runs hit some to your home. They go four hundred and fifty fees straight scouting. Tony. You've got a great team. You can add this kind of talent this kind of back to your lineup this scary again. They're really really not. So happy aaniversary to Kwami Brown, and Anthony Bennett on this day in two thousand one and two thousand thirteen respectively Brown invented with a number on overall picks in the NBA draft round with chosen by Michael Jordan, Jordan briefly ran the Washington Wizards stay league for twelve seasons. Never had any impact to and selected him out of a Georgia high school Bennett was the first pick of the Cleveland Cavaliers out of UNLV, and he did nothing who's on the league and four just how many. Scored per game. Then it's probably the worst number one ever Brown. I would think top six eight probably all those clips with Jordan is trying to splaine to him, a, you want all these kids in the NBA. You don't want always arguing they should be. They should be in college. I mean trails Giancarlo Stanton. The Yankee slugger is back on the injured list with a sprained right? Need standings played in only nine games this season? Yankee GM Brian Cashman does not expect him back until August while the Yankees at home runs in every game. Anyway. They're killing the ball, their first place in the AL by seven games tooth is they don't need Stanton now. But they couldn't. Who else you're going to need down the line, of course? In a big reddish. The big reddish here, we've still at the Celtics are hiring Carol off as an assistant coach thoughts. I'm happy for all the things she did right here in Washington happy, and proud of is known Susic kid, real good luck involved, the Celtics USA men be Panama one mill to win their group in the Gulf up. It's a big deal. Get off the stage now. It's not your time. No, it isn't World Cup and build Michigan to win the college World Series. You had that wrong apologized vandy. I'm happy to apologize Andy and happy for them. What ending other worthies school? That's going on dodgers catcher. Russell Martin the tired, the D-Backs on eight pitches last night, impress right? I would trade everybody in the nets bullpen except Sean Doolittle for him to right now. Baseball's all-star starters announced tonight. Getting predictions hobby by a truce want them. They want them. Do you think yes? Both of those guys could make a lot of time trying to better the nets time and I'm only I'm Mike will bond same time tomorrow. Knuckleheads you can get the PTI podcast on the ESPN app. App or apple Andrei, web Blue Angel number six that shoutout to wear in the plane.

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Now That It's Over

The Jump

23:38 min | 1 year ago

Now That It's Over

"Cliff Barnes Company has been fuelling athletes for almost thirty years with their cliff and Luna bars. And this is super cool even during a time when there are no live sports cliff and Luna continue to support female athletes in fact right now there featuring awesome women on their new limited edition cliff bar packaging including soccer star. Megan repeat no tennis legend. Venus Williams Surfer Lakey Peterson skateboarder Jordan. Barrett Climber Ashim aspera she and Mountain biker. Katharina Nash check out all these awesome new packages for yourself in store or online at Cliff Bar Dot Com. Welcome to the job. I'm Rachel Nichols joined by the Hall of Famer Mr Tracy McGrady and champion of the NBA in two thousand sixteen champion of his neighborhood. Richard Jefferson coming up. You have heard of Air Jordan but Talbott Radio Jordan. We're going to show you some of the often forgotten. Highlights Michael left us but first before the last dance aired Michael Jordan. Said he thought people were going to change. They thought of him that they would start to think he was a horrible guy. But Tracy with the full picture haven't seen all ten episodes now. The documentary has anything changed about your perception of Michael Jordan. Just a little bit. You know a lot of that stuff. I already knew what I did that. This stint that one individual will go to have an edge on his opponent and what. I mean by. That is the stories that he created in his own. I just to get extra motivation. Like the guy that he played against young player right so he goes dropped thirty seven and you know might create this this tale in his head that the guy said something like a good game. Mj or whatever. And then. Mike can't wait to the next night to see this guy and he tortures him but from what I get. That never happened. That the guy. I wish Michael. A great game. I mean to go. Legs STINT TO. Have you know a the motivation to overtake? Your opponent is this. I mean it's just pure craziness from guy but it worked for him. You know a guy talks trash to me. You know fuse me but not to create a tale story in my head to go guy. Beat me I'm going to be really honest. Nothing has changed about the way I view Michael Jordan. The only thing I wish is that guys like myself and T- Mak who grew up. We grew up watching but to have this content right. Now Imagine T. Mak having this content at fourteen fifteen years or yourself it would chain. I know I know it would have changed and so I look forward to what it does. This future generation everybody gets a trophy generation that all I want to be friends with everybody generation. That is where this is going to have the best impact. The next ten fifteen years twenty years of basketball this is the best thing to happen to the NBA. Because it's going to influence the next generation. How much winning important to you. How great do you really want to be? Are you willing to sacrifice life friends everything for your greatness or to achieve even for guys like Steve? Curr John Paxson for them to maximize to gain the respect of great great players. How hard that they had to push themselves to be a part of something? So this isn't for me T- Mac and for our generation. We knew this we played against them. We saw him. We did camps with them. This is for the growth of the game of basketball and internationally no different than the dream teams enter impact internationally. I think this video. This documentary will have impact twenty thirty years on athletes. All around the world very very good point. Man I dunno I can see all the kids trying to emulate John Because of this documentary. I also wonder who's going to emulate Dennis Rodman because of this documentary if we have an NBA finals again. Is someone going to go to Las Vegas? This is what I wanted to know. We do know not everyone thinks. Mj Is the goat over the weekend. Thirteen year vet channing. Frye made some comments on Jordan during his NBC Sports North West Talking Blazers. Podcast that set. Va twitter ablaze people. Here's the quote. We only had one job and that was just to score and he did that. An amazing amazing rate. But I don't feel like his way of winning bed would translate to what it is now guy would not want to play with him. Richard Dear friend. Your former teammate. To go get your boy. It is time to go get my boy. Let me first say this channing. Has He tried to do what I do. He tried to troll a little bit online. I don't think he thought anybody was really GonNa pick up on it. The way he did. But like channing. First of all channing is a Phoenix Suns Fan. He's a big Phoenix Guy. He is not a Michael Jordan. Guy Just like all those fans in Utah that you saw have their hearts ripped out M J. It happened to channing when he was ten years old. And it's still lingering today what ultimately my biggest issue with this is that channing was having fun and the funniest thing about it is that he literally answered every troll. On Line for two straight days. Laughing about it and channing. The one thing I said to him in our like channing. You can't do and make a joke like that during a two month. Michael Jordan Egos strokes time. That is not the time nor the place is like. Yeah do I. Do I think that my kid could use could could could lose a five or six pounds. Yes he probably kicked. But I probably shouldn't say that out loud. I should say man the true he was trolling. Everybody is no way you can watch that. Ten part series. Say Michael was just all about scoring. I mean here's some factual information. Michael made all defensive team. Nine Times Michael was nine hundred a year. That's not just score and just back in the late eighties. When michaels plant seven straight triple doubles? So the man. If he wanted to this like I felt Lebron James. If he wanted to he could average a triple double. Michael's just that gifted it was just so he played with facilitator like Scotty pippin his job. What's the score and locked down defense? But he did way more things just scored way more. Not One ships channing. We love you but if you're next podcast you talk about the earth being flat. We're we're going to come up there all right coming up Bob. Costas joins me to talk a little bowls dynasty. But honestly Bob Costantini be talking about paint dry. You will want to stick around for that. He is so good. I you know Air Jordan but do you know where Jordan yes the second installment of the Lesser Known Jordan highlights. You need to see cooked up by Professor Bodmer. Take a look. I trump for the rebound morzine. Monday comfortable up court passed on by Jordan Michael Jordan exit post packs in fact. Alvalade right side hooks have left for Jordan. Michael Deep speak sat around and Michael Jordan. What A wraparound books game in Chicago Stadium. Six seconds left in the half Jordan fires in three pointer and ribs it to the right his Jordan on the drive lane running the his Michael Jordan went a right handed her outside of the lamp. One bounce dribbled out at George Michael in for the left side jammed it right over Alan Michael Jordan with twenty seven what power dunk rice through the clutter patch the circle Jordan Michael Shop around rollins hangar. Right into Wilkin Michael Jordan around everybody word some by Michael Jordan. The store is ninety. Nine hundred three. The Gym is brought to you by. Burger King eight spicy chicken nuggets for just one dollar. It could be a routine drive to pick up the kids after school or an epic road trip across the country. No matter where your take you we know those miles counts. We're marathon we have over five thousand. 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This is an unprecedented cinematic production of the ninety eight NBA finals game. Six one of the most iconic games ever welcome back to the jump and I am thrilled to welcome in the legend Bob. Costas thank you for being on the show. Hey Rachel how're you doing? I'm good about Bob. You had been up close covering every great in American sports through the past five decades and there had been some grades and they're all competitive and they're all relentless workers. So what is it about Michael Jordan? That stood out to you as different. I think it's the combination of everything. The unquestioned excellence the objective greatness. But then the fact that he was so beautiful to watch magnetism and presence and starpower Michael Jordan had that to an eleven on a ten scale and even though people will mudder forever about Jerry. Krause breaking up this team. I think it actually cancers Jordan's mystique and legend because we never saw him lose the wizards don't count. That's less than he walks away on top if he had come back eventually they would've walked at some point and the last image would have been him walking off the court defeat now. The last image is the greatest closing act in the history of American sports. At least the sports that I have follow Ted Williams had last time it back but it wasn't in the world series wasn't even on national television ten thousand people on a dark day at Fenway Park. Everybody saw this. This is still the highest rated game in NBA history. I don't know what more you could ask of somebody well grew up in the DC area. I'm saying the wizards count. But I get what you when you know when he came back here so the Portland summation was he that Michael Jordan. No because he's still a really good player capable of some big time performances. Patrick Ewing recently told me a story about how he was on the phone with Michael Jordan and Patrick first grade son wandered over and said is that the guy on my shirt do before this last dance series. Some legend Michael Jordan was fading to the sands of time. And do you think series will set that clock back? I think to younger fans. I have to remind myself that if someone is twenty five years old they have no real time recollection of Michael Jordan. And the Chicago Bulls. It's Kobe. It's Lebron for them and understandably so start of the beauty of Sports. I'm moves on but certainly has Has done nothing to diminish Jordan standing. I think if anything Jordan has moved up if that's possible because This show not only his artistry but it showed his humanity at least in part and the people who think that somebody has to be a two dimensional figure of wheaties box in order to be a Switzer. That's so yesterday I found some of this interesting. I think he's a textured person that makes him more interesting. Some of it was actually endear his feelings about his family especially about his dad and when he talked about his ethos. This is the way you WANNA play. This is the way we WANNA play. You WanNa play with me. And he got choked up. I think that made him more likeable show. If anything he moves higher might seem possible but in my feeling was higher all and so interesting you say that we saw several times during this documentary that there was a price to being Michael Jordan. One did you see along. The way is the biggest cost to him of all of that greatness privacy and a chance to just gather his thoughts and what I observed was that he understood what his responsibility of team to the League to the game. Watch parenthetically one of the earlier episodes. He said a lot of players. Don't love the game as much as they love with. The game provides until really thoughtful insight. He does love the game in fact after that last game in Salt Lake City as Doug Collins on Isaiah and I were assigning off. I said you know what of course? He's the most hyped athlete over time and the ridges are there all the adulation oligarchy. But if you put this guy an empty Jim with Bill Russell Jerry West Oscar Robertson. Dr J. he his element and they would immediately know that he was one of them. He understood who he was but we have a segment on. This show called jump ball so I just want to hit you with some very quick hit questions before you know what Michael Jordan had made the majors if he had stuck with baseball yes or no decided to play baseball when he was eighteen. I think he definitely would how I think it's a toss up. It's kind of junk ball. Rachel whether hang out at it continued with the Birmingham team in AA. All Right Ninety seven finals flu or for poisoning. I'm buying food poisoning. It's the worst you can feel knowing you're not GonNa die so that's what it was even more impressed. Were Dennis Rodman going to Vegas in the middle of the NBA Finals? Unacceptable or amazing. Both both because he is Dennis Rodman. I think my line on during the finals at one point was there's a difference between the idiosyncratic and the idiotic referring to Dennis but you know in the end. They would put up with stuff from him that nobody else on the team would even think of doing because all right. The final shot ninety eight over Brian. Russell push off or legal. I say legal. I say he was already stumbling away. The only reason people ask that is because it was the last shot that one a championship in the course of regular game. Nobody would be about that. He was stumbling away. It was like a maitre d' saying may I show you to your way Jerry Krause evil villain or evil genius. Maybe a little bit of both. I think it was Phil. Jackson said it not somebody else did. And it's still spans. She said Jerry deserve more credit than he got but he didn't deserve as much credit as he wanted last quick question. What are you GonNa do from now? On on Sunday nights. No friend of mine said I wish they had played it. Only one episode of the time would have gone for ten weeks instead of. Hey I'm hoping that at some point we're back covering live sports but can't be sure from Your Lips Bob. Thank you so much for joining us for doing it the way you continue to do it. The rest of us are just trying to catch out. Thank you Rachel. Good to see you again in. Virtually coming up miles bridges tweeted. He'd like to go one on one with fifty seven year old Michael Jordan. Who by the way owns the team he plays for? What our panelists. WanNa play? 'em these days. We will discuss next on the jump coming up at four eastern Jalen and Jacoby followed by highly questionable and around the foreign. That's fellow by Sportscenter with Wilbon and Kornheiser joining F five thirty eastern and I take extra is of course sex. All right guys back in two thousand fifteen Michael Jordan asked by French newspaper. Keep if he could win playing one on one with any of his current Hornets players. Michael responded quote. I'm pretty sure I can. So I don't want to do that and demolish their confidence So I stay away from them. I let them think they're good well. That is point. Twenty now and Hornets Wing Miles. Bridges found the interview re tweeted it with a quote. Let's get it then. Richard Bridges is twenty. Two is visit check. Bridges wants to cast by fifty seven year old Michael Jordan. I'll tell you what this is. What Michael Jordan is really really good at you get Michael Jordan? Six weeks to get in shape and Michael Jordan says. Hey we are you willing to bet your contract. Are you willing to bet multiple checks? Because that's how Michael is going to put the pressure on him to deliver and I'm not saying sixty year old. Michael wanted but when Michael says that he doesn't want to ruin somebody's confidence. Hey bridges go google kwami brown Richard Womack but Google. Well Tracy the last time we saw. Mj who was back in two thousand twelve. He brought to work out with the podcast players. I mean how hard would you go up by if he challenge you to one on one right now? Well I mean I have a good sense of feel if I'm playing against an opponent and I know he he really can play rev it up a little bit but if I know I can control. It is just toy with him a little bit. I mean that's nice. Iams still nice J I mean. He's he's almost pushing sixty. I is that a challenge. Why not now I would love to play one against J just league at forty? He's still got it though you saying Tracy couldn't take him now. Richard no no. I'm I'm still talking to the young fella the that's why I'm talking to. I'm not I look. I'm not talking about team at League team. You know you know my feelings towards towards you. I'M NOT DONALD CMEC. I'm talking about the young fellow. Well miles bridges long way to go before he's even breathe. It in the same basis still can be summoned. Him Young kids all right. Our Guy Nick Bell spoke to warriors. Gm Bob Myers about the similarities. Between the Golden State and bowls title runs and Bob was talking about how wearing things got he said that by two thousand eighteen quote the second time with Kevin. It felt like well. We just did what we were supposed to do. And great job but winning that title it wasn't joystick to which Katie replied on an it photo of the warriors celebrating that two thousand eighteen wins saying he looked. Happy is blank in that. Pick though. Richard what are your thoughts? Well Again Bob. Look I'm Bob. I have tremendous amount of respect for Bob. And that's his viewpoint on it and I think he's if you go back and we're going to keep referencing the last dance you go look at back at Jordan's third championship. It was more of a feeling of relief. There was joy there was excitement. But it wasn't the same as his first or second or his fourth or fifth that that third one where he was just so mentally drained the excitement the it was still there but it was more of like. Hey this is over with and we accomplished our goal versus like. Hey everybody look at this and I think that's what he's referencing yes. I think everybody was happy but I think it was a different type of happiness. Yeah I mean you gotTa look at it this team before. Katie joins us with a seventy three win team. When you add my opinion wanted probably arguably the best player in the League to He. Everybody knows they're going to win a championship. So you win your first one and you go for the second one you. You're not gonna get that joy because the journey was too easy for you to get there and everyone knew even yourself. This whole team going to win the championship. Because you advocate de so we seventy three win team. How much joy is that? It's like you beaten up your little brother every day. Nobody can't you cannot compete with that and that was just my great against Katie. Leave it and join team. He's so great so awesome mean probably the one of the best office players. We've seen best office a plan that we have in our lead today to join our team. I don't know how you get enjoyed when you already know going into these championships. Just because how great they already work and there's different kinds of happiness right guys like you can be smiling picture and happy and excited in that moment that you have the championship in your hand and the Champagnes pop in and you know it's going to be a fun night but maybe you've had the journey not feel exciting or joyful as maybe it did in previous years and you have to remember. The joy is such a big part of the Warriors Dynasty. Mystique right. I mean Richard. You know from facing them. In those finals. The mood was different different years. Oh yeah one hundred percent. That team was so dominant that they knew that they if they played good they were going to win a championship If they play great they were going to run through everybody week. So we're GONNA sweep through everybody so the challenge but also the pressure the pressure of expectations and not feeling expectations versus being exciting excited. On what you achieved are very very different. Yeah Fisher and this is something that I know Kevin Durant with like everyone's a stop revisiting where how came how he left all of that stuff. But as we're seeing with this documentary twenty five years later people are fascinated by dynasties. And that's certainly what the warriors worked all right guys. Great to start off Monday with you. The Jump Back Tomorrow. See you then.

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#27: Magic Johnson, Virginia/Texas Tech, Antonio Brown

You're Wrong... And Here's Why

59:54 min | 2 years ago

#27: Magic Johnson, Virginia/Texas Tech, Antonio Brown

"The following podcast is part of underdog sports podcast network for advertising formation or to find more. Great podcasts. Visit us at WWW. The underdog sports dot com and follow us on Twitter at real V underdog. You. You'll lung India's. Tulsi? The time rabbit Covington adult care with you. The brand changed the canes related. Present. Let's go. Welcome to year wrong. And here's why take three I'm Chris Horwood L joined by Greg Crone, Gregory. How are you? Don't good third time's apparently a charm. Thank God for that. So this week. We're gonna talk about why the Lakers are better off. Without Magic Johnson. Why Virginia North Texas Tech's going to be a top ten team next year? And why Tonio Brown is a bigger diva than Terrel Owens? Don't call me, Terrell. Don't do it. Don't do it. I'm excited about this show. Let's kick off a little Lakers talk Lakers better without magic tell me. Why greg? I mean, let's just be honest. Magic didn't actually care about being the president of the Lakers outside of the title, president of the Lakers. I mean, the the guys I mean, admittedly, self, admittedly. He said yesterday that he wasn't wasn't really dedicating time. He's more worried about being able to send that congratulatory tweet or talk to players on the court and outside of basketball to actually running an MBA franchise. And if you look at the futility of the things that he's done outside of landing LeBron James, which honestly was more or less a done deal from day one. When LeBron's contract was up in Cleveland. I mean, the guy the guy didn't pay attention to basketball. And I think that the Lakers moving on for magic. However, it was done whether it was magic quitting or. Them getting rid of him. I think I think it's ultimately good thing to get somebody who actually cares and wants the job. Why think we can comfortably say it was magic quitting given everything we know about what's taken place. But look I'm going to preface this with I hate myself and move on from that. Magic Johnson's a legend. Oh my God. It's killing me Magic Johnson's legend. And you know, this organization is better off with him in place. A you said that it was a foregone conclusion that LeBron James was gonna go to the Lakers. I don't think that's necessarily the case. I do think this was more of an open competition at least early on than perhaps. Perhaps we think about in retrospect, I think Magic Johnson was one of the deciding factors in that situation. Four LeBron he delivered the Bronx the Lakers. And now it's up to everyone else to figure out what to do with him. If it was it was it really was it really Magic Johnson, and the all of the Lakers or was it the draw of Hollywood and the production being able to further your outside and future away from basketball career is that what really really sealed it for LeBron not necessarily who was crunching the numbers in the Lakers front office. No, I absolutely first of all to say that magic. Johnson was sitting at a computer going over spreadsheets is absurd. He was I had. I don't think he's done any number crunching in this life. But I think that he was the deciding factor. This guy is a legend. This is someone that LeBron James looks up to who we who he respects as a player as a person. And I think that that that's sort of. I don't know link that sort of link into the Hollywood world where magic has played a big part as well certainly helps. I mean, I guess can we talk about the selfishness of the timing of this as well. Well, I wanna talk about how it was one of the greatest impromptu press conference is we're gonna talk about Carol Owens later. This is the best impromptu press conference since Tarallo did sit ups in his driveway. I mean, it's just wild to think like all the focus last night in the NBA should have been on the fact that you know, to sure-fire first ballot hall of famers guys that span the last basically, two generations of the NBA multi all stars all MBA guys champions were playing in their final NBA games. And instead the world of the NBA and the Twitter world was focused on Magic Johnson up and quitting the Los Angeles. Lakers. It's it's an unreal move for a guy that wants to be and sees himself as some sort of embassador of the NBA. Well, let me ask you this. I I this whole thing has been fascinating. And there is some great stuff over at Bethesda sportsbook in terms of what the Lakers are going to do that. I think is fascinating and relevant to this conversation. So over there one of the props that they have up right now in the future section. They ask. We'll Erik Spoelstra be the next head coach of the LA Lakers for the first game of the twenty nineteen twenty twenty season. Bavadra has yes. Plus a thousand and no minus five hundred where do you stand on that? I mean, I would say no, I don't think that's the I don't think that's what it is. I love this. Okay. This is amazing. I want to I'm going to throw a little teaser out here. Game of thrones comes back this weekend. They on Sunday. I don't I can't remember if you're a game of thrones fan, thrones guy. Okay. Good good because I don't respect people who aren't but over at Bevanda, they have all kinds of props for game of thrones this year, and my teaser is that aunt Yukon, and I used that framework and all of their profits. I think there's thirty eight of them to sort of do our own game of thrones preview. It's going to be released this weekend on the underdog feed. So check that out but heading back over here back to the Lakers. This is amazing. This is I had so much fun with the game of thrones props, but this one I like just as much so Bevanda asks who will be the next president of basketball operations for the Los Angeles Lakers fairly standard question. Right. I'm gonna I'm gonna give you the odds that you can bet on right now. And I want you to give me your thoughts. David Griffin plus 175 Kobe Bryant plus two hundred almost equal David Griffin. This kind of weird Jerry West plus three fifty. Messiah Raji plus thousand Phil Jackson plus thousand Pat Riley, plus nine hundred that's out of order. And if you want to go all the way up to plus one hundred thousand which I think the highest odds that I've ever seen that means for every dollar. You bet you can win a thousand dollars. Lavar, lavar ball. Almost put it on lavar ball just to just to do it. No. I actually think that Jerry West would be a guy that could be swayed by that Lakers leur. I mean going back to the franchise. You know that he played four and all that. I don't see I I could certainly see that being the situation now again because it's LeBron he could bring in a guy that he's familiar with you know, like David Griffin like a potential even Pat Riley. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, that's that's fair. I just I don't know. I I don't know about that. I think people are making too much out of the David Griffin link just because of the ties to LeBron in the past like, you know, that was those ties weren't strong enough to keep David Griffin and Cleveland like he got fired people forget that. Yeah. I know. But there's also the Dan Gilbert factor, and it's just kind of tough for me too. To to throw that out. You know, what I mean like, oh, you got fired. But did it what the reason he got fired was a necessary. Lebron and his relationship was his relationship with David Griffin earn out Dave, Dan, Gilbert, like there's also that part of it that's entirely fair. I don't know. It's that is entirely fair. You're right. I don't I don't know about Jerry West though, I feel like that's been there done that kind of thing. Jerry West was the head coach of the Lakers back a million years ago. You know, he's obviously inextricably linked to that franchise. But I think he is happy having moved on at this point proven that he can build other teams up as well. But do you think there's any chance in the world that that they go after this failed? Magic Johnson debacle to Kobe Bryant. Dear god. I could see it. I wouldn't it wouldn't shock me player player slash president of team. Kobe bryant. Well, players probably not I don't think player's gonna. I think I think there's an equal chance that Jerry West comes back to play in Kobe Bryant, listen, I mean, either one of these guys fits in perfectly with the the always popular MBA. They're coming home storyline. So I could see going either way Kobe is a front office guy would certainly be interesting. I actually think that he'd do a a pretty decent job. Because it seems that he's a guy that what he puts his mind to it and really focuses on something. He's gonna go after it and put all his energy into it. As opposed to Magic Johnson who apparently just likes being Magic Johnson. Yes. Did you hear that? He was showing up two or three days a week to be president of an NBA basketball team. It's like some hell he thought that being president of the Lakers was akin to like a high school job at seven eleven we show up twenty hours a week and you're done. Why are we surprised that? He was he wasn't fully committed. I mean, he had he had that. Weird ownership role with the dodgers. And I guarantee you that's the way he acted over with the dodgers without knowing anything about it. I bet that's what it is. And I guarantee you that's the same way he treated disposition. I mean, you're talking about the guy that got rid of de ngelo Russell that got rid of Julius Randle guys who are serious. NBA contributors Russell's and all star this year, and he was giving up on because of what the weird Snapchat thing with what's his name. With Nick young. That's not Yair though, digital Russell was a disappointment early in his career. Now, he's also the poster child for why you should give young guards and opportunity in the shore the NBA level, but he was a little bit of a disappointment. Just just wrapping this up with this. Kobe thing are you surprised that that Bavadra has him as the second most likely candidate to get the job at this point? No because that's what the Lakers do the lake. The Lakers do things like that. They are. They love to bring back is from their past to to take over and run run their organizations and be involved. It's that Lakers mystique. So for Kobe even be on the list. Let alone vodkas number two. I'm not surprised in the least. Okay. So let me give you a reason why I think maybe it makes sense Kobe is famously one of these singular most competitive people of all time. Right. I think it plays a part that he would be able to succeed where Magic Johnson, arguably the greatest Laker. Maybe the only Laker with a better resume than Kobe has failed. He can he can top magic in this role. I think I think that's exactly what he would want. I think that that's like Kobe can then put his ultimate stamp on the question of whether. Who was the greatest Laker of all time. You have the rings as a player, you have all the records as a player the performances as a player, and then you throw on that you actually put together a chain beach of team from the front office with little to no experience as a fr- actually not little known as a front office guy. If you were to put together, a playoff winner a championship winner. I mean, that's cements. Kobe is the greatest Laker dead ever lake. I don't know. That's elegantly said, you know, I I do think that there's a weird world where this were Kobe could be incredible at this. You know because of how competitive he is that boy Quinton Grimes declaring for the draft not as strong season freshman year, Kansas. But where you know, he would be in the front row at like Belmont watching Dylan wind ler play, and he would be he would be in the stands mcabe Tel-Aviv watching their prospects in all of that. I can see where like he. Could potentially be incredibly good at this. But I I hate to say this because I find kind of insufferable not as much as magic. But did you kind of think Koby would be good at whatever he wanted to do. I think so too. I mean, if you look at his his business ventures outside of basketball, I think he's done pretty well firm self, and it's it'd be really shocking to me if he somehow took this job and then failed at it. I agree. I I just think it's hard to say that this team is better. Without Magic Johnson. Are you at all surprised that they're gonna all reports today suggest they're going to keep rob Pelinka around? Guess he's a he. Honestly, I think this caught them so off guard that they're forced to keep him around. But to me, it doesn't make any sense at this point just clean house outside of the LeBron James situation you failed everything else. You had a terrible season. You brought in you know, very luster team around around. Lebron James, it's it's just been so to have magic walkaway you might as well just clean house and go find something else. Right. Well, that was so counter intuitive to what basketball logic suggests because we've seen historically the Braun has succeeded anytime, you put even mediocre shooters around him, right Bret spread the court, and you get guys like Damon Jones giant contracts, but Pelinka decided what's let's get. Let's get more ball handlers. Let's get some more playmakers players like that. I don't under-. Understand what pull Inca was thinking. No. It doesn't make any sense. It's it's. This is what happens when you take a guy who's an agent and make him your general manager. It's the agent world in the general manager world is so different. And it's it's it's just it's mind boggling what the Lakers are actually doing front, office wise. You would I mean if I'm the Lakers, I clean house. I find new positions for everybody fill it with somebody basketball specific get out of the agent world. Get out of any of that fill them with basketball guys and build a team don't waste the last couple of years. Lebron James has as a top tier talent in the NBA. Do you see any scenario at all? And we'll wrap this up pretty quick. But did you see any scenario at all where the new general manager, the new president, whoever comes in, obviously, I guess a new president comes in and they decide to move LeBron James and just built I agree. But it's interesting. It's an interesting thought experiment. I would've loved could you imagine? If at the trade deadline. After all the Anthony Davis stuff fell to the wayside. If they were just like, screw this. We're done, and then just moved LeBron at the trade deadline traded him to like, I don't know. Memphis, outta died at a phone Charron died that that would be, you know, that's probably the best place to to punish you. Right. Exactly. Well, the problem is LeBron as this attitude, at least at least what it comes off is that something is open to him by the and by these teams and by these players to come join him in L A and come play with him. He's arguably the second greatest player of all time in some people's is the best player of all time. And it's it's such a weird attitude to have I don't I don't necessarily understand it. They don't really get the mindset of where you feel like the NBA owes you something the NBA gave you an opportunity to build a giant platform to build a giant empire to join up with with major brands and become. Way more than just a basketball player, you'd become a cultural icon, and you think that the NBA just going to kowtow to you and teams are just going to trade you their best players and things like that. It just it doesn't make sense to me. And if anything if anything LeBron seems to be a detriment to getting players to come to LA, then than an asset. Well, you heard what Durant said he said playing with LeBron's toxic. And that's certainly understandable. Because if you're not LeBron James, you don't get credit for winning, and you get almost all of the blame for failing. It's the craziest. It's the craziest thing in the world. Play with the best guy. How about this three-way trade? This is this would be amazing. Lebron James goes to New Orleans who also sends Anthony Davis to Boston and LA gets Jaylen Brown and Channing Tatum Channing Tatum there you Jason Tatum. I feel like Los Angeles is getting fleeced. You don't know the Tatum can't ball? I don't know if he has handles. That is true. No. I mean, it's insane. MBA breaking trade. Larry is nonetheless. Well, let me I don't know if I've mentioned this to you before. But there is a trade out there that I think just destroys the NBA, and that is the scenario you, and I talked about the scenario wherein. Philadelphia wins the lottery. Yes. Yeah. We talked about it last week that would actually break the NBA like could you even have to fold yet? Could you even imagine people's reactions Zion went to Golden State? It would be Twitter would meltdown Jack Dorsey would have to be putting out a fire with like walk. It a water Twitter. Servers just meltdown. Agreed. All right. Well, I remained undefeated. We're gonna take a break right back. Hey, guys, Chris Riddell here to let you know that Yahoo daily fantasy is now an absolute must play for all. Paul DFS enthusiasts. We've still got weeks left of NBA action. Plus the playoffs. Baseball is right around the corner and golf is in full swing as well. 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After those words from our great sponsors, great friends to the podcast. And now I want to tell you why neither Virginia North Texas. Tech is going to be great next year. Look first of all before we get to this. I want your take on the national championship game. What did you think of it? I thought it was an after the first five minutes of that game. That game was one of the best national change of games. You're going to get. I mean, the back and forth. Excellent defense. That's still led to really awesome scoring. I mean, you're not gonna get better games in that to come down to the wire, they have dramatic moments that cost me thousands of dollars in block pools. It was it was a really fun game on Monday night Shaddai to my shout out to my Michigan state, buddy. Michigan state fan buddy who said after Saturday night's loss that he was he was refusing to watch the national championship game. We reported one out for you Monday night. We really appreciate that. Okay. I I don't know if I if I agree with this. I I'm excited that you enjoyed the championship for me. It didn't connect for some reason. I don't know what it was. Maybe it was the style of play and on paper. It should have been a spectacular game right to evenly matched teams to great coaches. Some stars at the college level goes into overtime competitive. Sh I never got engaged. I never got interested. I am so underwhelmed by Jarrett Kover when I guess when you have a store of his respective team. Just play like utter garbage. I it just takes away from me. It seems to me like Culver wanted to make this a one on one competition between he and de'andre hunter. And hunter looked like the guy who's a top five pick. Culver looked like a guy who's lucky to be picked in the first round that we know that certainly not going to be the case is almost certainly a lottery pick. Give it wouldn't matter. Jared Culver came down and gave Texas Tech the lead with under a minute left. Actually, it was just about thirty seconds left it. Yeah. Around thirty seconds left. Kover was the one that made the play made the amazing move with the spin move got to the basket and finished and gave Texas Tech the lead that eventually led to them shooting two free throws and having that three point lead before de'andre, hunters three pointer. I mean Kover may have not had a great game shooting wise, and he didn't have a great game in the semi finals either as far as shots from the field go, but when it mattered and crunch time Kover was there. Now, of course, his shot at the end of regulation was blocked in an overtimes another story advise three pointers and things like that. But but but overall, I mean, the back and forth nature of this game. If you couldn't get into Texas Tech's comeback at the end of that game. I don't know what else to offer you in the form of a national championship game. It didn't work for me. But I will tell you what I did get from this. I've always like I've never understood the Jarrett Culver fan. Boy, people who are. Oh, this is this is the third best player fourth best player in the draft. And I never got like who he was because he shot thirty percent from three this year is shooting guard. That's not great great. So you know, you assume that the percentage is going to progress a little bit at the NBA level. You're tal