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Donkey Of The Day: Charlamagne Apologizes To Kwame Brown

Donkey of the Day

07:09 min | 2 months ago

Donkey Of The Day: Charlamagne Apologizes To Kwame Brown

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I have to apologize and do better moving forward in aspen. I'm about to do right now. I want to apologize. The kwame brown. And kwami brown's family. I want to apologize. Father bill brown and the family of his father's he last week on his radio and my attempt to defend a charleston south carolina. Born brother like myself. I revealed too much information about that. Man's family and even all that stuff is public record. Some things just don't need to be said on the radio and he definitely don't need to be said by me. When i look back on the way i communicated that i communicated it all wrong and i unintentionally triggered trauma in a lot of folks. I grew up with who i genuinely love. I'm sure i call it a lot of paying for not only kwami brown before his family especially his family. My hometown corner south carolina. You know how i know. Because i spoke to a few of them. I've been on the phone. This weekend would would would mothers of children and their children salute. Lebron her daughter brienna reort rhonda out on the phone with a sister's like a while. Let's lutwa or she cursed me out good and you know i was apologizing for triggering them causing pain because i was casually discussing their families trauma met and and that's something that i have to stop doing. That's something that we all have to stop doing. I was talking to my sacred purpose. Cody all this weekend. She's like a spiritual therapist. I have her in my clinic with therapist. And that's what we were talking about. How we casually discuss each other traumas. I didn't even think about when i spoke on. You know kwami in his family. How many people were impacted by those things. I was speaking on. I mean that's that's generational. Okay i caused pain and unintentionally unintentionally poked people's wounds. Okay wounds that will probably never hill. And i can't take back those words. But i can't apologize. You know i think oftentimes we meaning black people. We fight each other with our demons whether true or false whatever the worst thing we know about a person i think we i think we know about a person we default to that and that was not my attention. I was not in any way shape or form trying to paint kwami in a negative light. Okay that black man is not my. He wasn't my ob-. When i said it and my mind i'm defending that man but i should have been defending him his leonardo charlemagne to god mckelvey professional and nightly nod. Larry whatever you wanna call me from. Monks corner south carolina talking. Like i'm home in the town. On why i believe they need to leave. Kwami ron alone. That was whack because the conversation didn't even have to go there to conversation should have been about basketball. Yes leave kwami brown alone. Because he cheated the goal and a dream that one point three percent events w seniors will achieve an point three percent of high school senior small in number that is and you know just as simply being drafted in the nba. If you played thirteen seasons it makes sixty five million dollars your success okay. Have you worked thirteen years anywhere and make that kind of money. Success salute to that man the only expectations. We have to live up to his own while always say success is subjective okay. My views of success may be different than yours. As long as you're happy that's all that matters but we didn't even get into that conversation because my mind automatically went to something. That didn't that didn't even have to go to in doing that. I unintentionally caused trauma since i unintentionally cause trauma. I have to be intentional. About causing hailing. I'm not about to sit around and have beef with another black man for nothing. Trust me as y'all know. I have a lot of real enemies who gonna me every day. Kwami brown is not going to be one of them. Okay i totally understand why comic brow was upset at me. I went low. That wasn't my attention but in hindsight it was low and took it to the floor with me and yobe be online so excited ready to see black. People go back and forth. And i'm not doing it. I'm not going back and forth. If i feel like i wrong. Somebody i'm gonna apologize. That's what i think. A good man does and good man apologizes for the mistakes that he made but a great man corrects them. Hopefully i get the opportunity to do that one day but for now i just apologized and i'm not beefing with a black man who was born. I was born and has family while i'm from. There is nothing on this planet that i love more than god. My family in monks corner south carolina the whole low country eight four three dropping includes eight for three. Okay so what i say. I sincerely apologized to call me brown and his family and the family of bill brown in monks corner. I'm mean it. Only thing. I'm responsible for is my energy in recognizing my own insanity and god totally once said recognize one's own insanity is of course the arising of sanity the beginning of hailing and transcendence. I truly believe if trauma can be passed down through generations than sulking hailing me leonard. Mckelvey i have never claimed to be perfect. In fact i'm far from it. I'm not gonna always get it right. The same things. People listen to me for the same things. They hate me for. Because i talked too much Over share our share about myself over share about others and that is historically got me in trouble but we are all works in progress and one of the most handling things you can do is recognize. Where in your life you your own poison. And last week. I was poisoned the quami brown bill brown and their families for that. I sincerely apologize. 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Spencer Hall talks Kwame Brown, but mostly Stevie Wonder

The Right Time with Bomani Jones

58:30 min | 2 months ago

Spencer Hall talks Kwame Brown, but mostly Stevie Wonder

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I'm inclined to believe you are a hater time week. We have a guest. Join us come into us alive. He is the best college football writer in america. Wayne really gonna talk about. None of that spencer hall was going alma. Stevie wonder what's going on. I just want to get straight to the point. You might be here to talk about college football and if you happen to bust in this room right now and ask me a question. I will address it but unless you're an intruder were just talk about stevie today maybe a little brown by saying we'll make a quick slow transition into stevie by stopping at the midpoint between stevie at college football which is south gioja. I feel like everybody learned this week so they may not have no. Which is how south georgia gives down. How blencoe gives doubt glencoe not here for like me browse these met when he was nineteen and we didn't think much about it after that and then we looked up. I was like damn. You're an old man. Now you're an old man. You sound like it. I don't you can tell by the way. Kwami brown has an uncle or an elder somebody that he is absolutely patterned. This particular speech pattern. After because i heard it and i was like oh i know that guy. That man does not really care about your opinions. He starts conversations by asking about your opinion but he does not really care about her hugo. What what do you think about. Joe biden and you go well you know. Here's what i think. He's here's what i think. And then it just goes. He knew that guy and call me. Braun has basically subsumed his entire identity. And if you think by the way that outdoor cares at all about anywhere else or anything or about how anything goes in the rest of the world. then you're wrong. It's one of those little pockets. Right kind of like was talking about south alabama. Vikings right like like alabama's its own little universe. South georgia is its own tiny little universe where people will make great distinctions between will where you from. Well you know from daily on the bill now judgment right like that means something different than being you know from savannah or being from valdosta right. There's very fine gradations of things and kwame brown. I can tell just from this video from the hour. That i watched would yes. Yesterday i did spend an entire hour watching kwame brown. Go off on. All of his haters and indulge only the thickest of south georgia and basically it's southern accents. I watched the whole thing yesterday. Well my thing was. All he gave was the to make you so burns. Slow right like it was all like i always liked like i always thought take. It was better than either but the thing about ether in verses takeover was takeover was for everybody either was for one man and the jay z. In this scenario for brown is clearly mad. Bart's like he's got some problems with stephen jackson. He's got some problems with stephen. A smith but matt bart's that's the one where he's like. I m restoring this new life over and over again. Yeah and by the way another important part of the ether or the distract here is that it's not fair. We don't necessarily personally condone or endorse any of it. You're just there to listen to the sheer hatred. You're not there to say. hey kwami. this isn't unproblematic. No on the contrary. A lot of is very problematic intense sustained and is it deeply felt one hundred percent. Could you go ahead and through it and say. I don't feel this way about this at all. I'm actually kind of offended by this yeah i'm not sitting here and saying any of its good or condoning any of it. I'm marveling at the intensity and the sustained aggression of it. Because i'm pretty sure he could have talked about how much he hated matt. Barnes for three hours. Yes and think that people need to understand is this is a dude who had an abusive relationship with his father as i understand it and then went into the nba where he walked into an abusive relationship with michael jordan and it seems very clear to me that has been like i may have to take this from my pops. I may have had to take this from michael jordan heart. Stop that's it. Nothing you from matt barnes. Can i say by the way that given everything that he has been through both from his upbringing abusive relationship to his father towards a professional mentor ship. And i'm using that word real. Ironically from michael jordan i think while may brown is actually displaying a pretty high level of evolved mental health. There is something iron in this man that cannot be broken because all kwame brown was in the nba for the better. Part of a decade was joke. And when you say that kwame brown will respond. And i am quoting here. I put my mom on a golf course at eighteen. That's exactly how on me brown will come back. Be like you think. I'm joe that's cool. Talk to the bank account because he does make like you go through the video. And i'm sitting there saying like a. I don't condone any of this man's got points. Man does have points in the middle of all this. Like for instance when he says a man in the nba failure. They know man of bust. That's true there's something to it you know you made it to the nba. Now you might have been a number one pick. Your value might have potential have been dramatically overestimated right but one at brown will say. I went to the wizards man has points. You'll stay even with that. I my favorite part in terms of scale. This is where you go. Yeah the nba is completely distort. Your understanding of what wealth is when he says yeah gilbert arenas you're like the worst human being ever borne you know i was set to eighty million and you took money out of my mouth right when he says that he's like yeah. And then i had to sign for the lakers for just twenty seven mill. That was the disappointment. Which i'll admit if i'm already over there and that's my scale and i'm a six eleven guy who can block shots and dunk. I'll be bitter about that from my perspective. I'm not exactly seeing the huge tragedy. There you still got twenty seven mill gave. It is sixty three for his career. My favorite part about. I put my mom on a golf course at eighteen was that he was nineteen when he got drafted already. Good flow that too because either one the money already begun to flow right or he's wrong and he's just forgetting it which is even funnier right. But he's just like just let him go. he's on one. Let them roll. Did you know he went to high school with that wayne right. No i did not know that we had attaway right. I don't know he pays for now. But he's pitched for the cardinals and we had him on highly questionable. And i didn't know anything about them and so google and then i was like oh he's from brunswick in his age and i was like i wonder if he knows kwami brown. I was like oh yeah no wabi rattle and evidently kwame brown very different than anybody really expected it. He opens the video by discussing a brawl. He gets into using words. I can't use on any podcast or in real life but but getting into a fight with a gigantic football player and then knocking that football player out and in a moment of real self-awareness saying my friends said i looked goofy punching him out and he goes. Yeah but he still went to sleep. Even with these ugly punches. I jumped on his head like a trampoline. I believe is the way he described this fight with this. The other thing that people got a glimpse of was critical race. Theory country style like he has some very clear views on race that are very much colored by living under deep south racism. Me matt boss. We're hated you. Granddad at was black or your granddad out was white and i heard that and i'm like which one like that. Yeah i of curious which one because chances are it's one of them. Yeah in addition to that by the way it's also colored by a very southern understanding of when things are on or off. I eat that you're going to be out of pocket once things get out of pocket. There's no hey that's enough. Let's go ahead and stop pursuing this fight. No if you get into the story which is like the first ten minutes if you just go get the main kwame brown response video which is like an hour long just listened to the ball in the first part because he breaks his hand on this gigantic football players face knocks him out runs and when he's running he ends up. Somehow it like a cue or a party and when he gets to the party. The immediate response isn't oh my. What is the strange person who has six eleven by the way like kwame brown. Stumbling into your party is not a small event. It's just massive dude with his friends right. Rolling in and immediately is administered first aid. That's what it sounds like. He's like these these ladies were like. Oh poor thing. Meaning they an instant when the six eleven dude just comes crashing in like a giraffe into their party or like he requires assistance. He's obviously been in a fight right like this this entire nine one one system. That happens instantly like wrap up his hand get him set. Let's go get him an uber. Let's just let's get him attacks and get him out of here before the cops come the number of decisions that goes into that moment where questions would've been asked somewhere else right like. Let's say if this happens in know quiet suburban chicago. Right we'll be. What is this man doing here. Who are you. what's going on. Perhaps we should get the authorities involve. Nope stumbles into this party. Somewhere in south georgia. And they're like. Oh yeah we got this. We got this a taxi. Wrap them up. Share the brawls happen. We're good like that is an entirely different way of living. That's all assumed and understood in like three seconds. Well the underrated part is also to me is gilbert arenas right because what has become clear okay gilbert arenas mr go too far right like hill. Steve's is go too far. Did you see where you got on a podcast. A laboratory where he talked about how. I forget what he did to some suit to chris mills had like he had done something to desecrate this dudes close or whatever and he's said crystals didn't say a word about it right like it happened. Didn't say the eighty said. Chris mills was his ride home. So chris mills to drive the car. Joe gilbert arenas home be able to regain his gets out the car and then next thing he knows. Chris mills hits him with the car but he waited all the way out played it all the way cool and then chris mills hit him with the car. Okay this is also the gilbert arenas who in the infamous ridge bars crittenden and the guns in the locker room and everything else was one hundred percent unafraid right. Because basically he might not granted crittenden wilder going father in his life into these realms. But he's just basically like i smell anonymously angle and do nothing to gilbert arenas is guess who gilbert arenas does not feel that way about kwami brown. Give it a raiders. This is the grab everywhere like no. I'm not saying a word about this guy. I have seen his movies. No and by the way this is somebody who in dc according to call me braun got lit up daily by guys just for being extra just for being gilbert arenas and just because as paul may brown said there's a lot of country dudes in dc who won't take that who have hands right. Try these hands there faster than you think. And that means that of all of the guys who went around just willy nilly slapping gilbert arenas for being gilbert arenas and by the way shouts out to give it arenas forever learning a lesson. What is gilbert arenas the superpower. I'm never going to learn the lesson that i'm me right. Like dude who does not have any self understanding whatsoever like why do these people keep hitting me with a car. Why do i keep getting in fights where i have to pull a gun over cards. Why slapped by random guys in dc. At no point has it dawned on gilbert arenas that he's gilbert arenas and yet even with that superpower not knowing who he is. He won't mess with kwame brown. Which i have to say like kwame brown already. Seems like he's six eleven if six eleven winds up and slaps you that is a lot of implied force. Right like the arm believer that is a tremendous slap. I don't want any event and by the way he is the kind of dude who will slap you i. Do you wanna stay up all night. Smoking weed and playing cards that we need to play cards all night. That is such an old man. Big zane i don't even know if these dudes play cards right but gave very clear. Bobby brown is not he. Fred brown that c. Each avearge moga. We'd play cards all die. Put down no brown. Sounds like the kind of guy who's like. I got an engine to put in a truck at seven. Am i gotta get up into that. Before i go fishing so you need to go ahead and get this on. Get yourself a bed. That's coie brown. Brown's thirty going on sixty eight. Yes right and whether you agree or disagree with anything he said you have to. Absolutely respect the fact that the man hit i'm guessing twenty-three and just decided nope i'm fifty three. Just right into it right. Everybody has different ages right. Some people stay fourteen forty four then they turn about forty eight and then they turn sixty eight and they become eighty right. Everybody's got different ages. I think kwame brown had to. I think he was probably four years old and then he went to being like fifty eight the worst thing to happen to qualities career i think is you wound up playing for the lakers. Right and i was thinking to myself will wear in the world will kwami brown hang out in. La these playing for the lakers right. Where would he hang out with. La gotta realize auto falls came from country to write like maybe a generation away or whatever but it's a malaise five quality to go to okay. He played nine games with the warriors i saw. He didn't have like a real run with warriors. But oakland where they actually have places where you can go to smoke weed and play cards all night. maybe he would not have wanted to be there but still it's according to a paradigm that is familiar to kwami brat. He could have become beloved word on the street. Walk around oceanside and people in face. We look they have completely differently and he also like when you talk about you know places where i think he you know i cannot see him being anything but supremely isolated i do not see him. Understanding like there may be parts of la where it would be like super comfy but just overall the lakers in particular no no glitz and glamour does not define that man. Not this places where he'd be comfortable is just places he shouldn't be. I could also see by the way if we could just shift time around a little bit and get them on like a grizzly team. That's it if i can get them within the loving embrace of zach randolph and sol. That's all i want. But that's the thing. He was only in memphis briefly because he was at the pound. The solid trae like the two places. He should've been were memphis in oakland. Eight only got a cup of coffee there and his maybe because they looked around like we to do outta here man he fit into will can also say that kwami in terms of site and people up if i were just to give you a grab bag. I'm like you gotta go online. Bow and for an hour. I need you to go ahead. And just tell of your disgust for three people in the nba. Tori okay in the last twenty years. And if i told you to pick a fantasy league of people you would not want the smoke from okay. You would not want any part of okay. I don't think it's the definitive list. But if you told me. Steve jackson matt barnes and gilbert arenas i would have told you you were a madman right like you told me three guys in the nba. Who i was just going to go and talk. Absolute mess about those are not the three i would pick. That's a pretty stout list. The difficulty level is there even. If you don't think. Matt barnes can fight. He'll get there he will show up. There's a demonstrated record of this happening. Even if you don't think gilbert arenas is all about it right if you think gilbert arenas isn't really going to follow through on all this he's still might show up with gun stupid shows up with a gun. Anything can happen right. And i think if you show with a gun to a fight over some social media stuff that's pretty stupid and then on top of that you pick. Stephen jackson a demonstrated track record of being about it. Right of having ganz and when i say having hands. I'm at on national tv against civilians. And he went there. No he did there. This would be the three pit. Cuomo went hard on the other side. If you had asked me to come up with my draft players in the last twenty years with whom you do not want the smoke. Kwami would not have been there but this week is basically i went to. Indy ran a four one. Five forty and suddenly. I'm the number one receiver in the draft. No check the record. That's it the combine. this is why my hands combine. Evidently he passed with flying colors. Yeah did a great job in the interviews all man. He came out of there like the prospect. No matter what you wanna protect nobody has more experience helping. Keep it safe in. Adt eighty received the most burglar alarm events in the industry and help save more lives the any other home security provider with adt. You get the best home security system at twenty twenty. According to usa today number one smart home security provider according to strategy analytics. Twenty twenty twenty four seven peace of mind from the creators of the home security category and over twenty thousand employees experienced in helping keep you experience matters. That's why millions of people trust. Adt to protect what matters most keep them safe to get all the latest security upgrades with lard his name and home security that at dot com today eighty s from wallaby and timeless. Pretension it out. This leads to the question. What do you think is brown favorite. Stevie wonder saul 'cause after see his old man country vibe in all of that. I feel like he is right at that superstition level right like as soon as he hears that. All what emma soul Yeah i can also see by the way cuomo having a special moment in his heart for ribbon in the sky. I think that maybe he's the kind of select desperate love about. Yes right this real lows. It's a slow dancing with your lady there. Yes i could see kwami having a real ribbon in the sky thing right and then somebody make fun of about. Don't make me slap you like nobody's like. Hey man you know. Normally listen to a lot of johnny taylor but today i decided i wanted to go back to that steve. Everybody stevie right antique. That is the thing about st one. Because somehow steven one is birthday was last week and somebody got on the internet and said i'd love to hear spencer bomani talk about stevie wander done. That's all we needed. The people said we're gonna talk about stevie wonder okay cool we can talk about stevie wonder and you and i- independently have just been listening to stevie wonder. Oh everything yeah. No no from my fingertips to in square circle. I listened to a little bit of the baby. Fae song i did. It happens okay. I can't really when you say stevie. Just go okay listen. Did your professional career started eleven because you were scouted. That's stevie was discovered remember. This is a person so talented that as an eleven year old when his mom said oh hey he should listen to my baby song. A member of the miracles goes. Okay yeah let him play. Let him play and then heard him saying heard one song it was like. We're getting you to the studio today. You're gonna meet berry gordy and we're going to sign you and you're going to be developmental for us immediately at the age of eleven when i tell you this man's prime creative career when people are like oh. The season veteran cranking out music channel directly from god himself. How old is he twenty five. He was twenty five and twenty six years old and had been working as a professional musician for the better part of a decade and a half before he hit his absolute stride and he was twenty five twenty six years. Old so like. Let's consider the fact that uptight which is like an all time record. Write in large part because of the base but still is an all time record and he wrote it fifteen years old. That Fifteen years old to me like fingertips is cooler. And it's a novelty right. Uptight is like oh so this is where this is going That's the thing. Like at every point in steve career. By the way this happens. He's a child wander when he does fingertips okay. So he's a child novelty act. He's like wayne. Newton improbable young and probably talented and we can probably shuffle. Them often vegas. No he does uptight and keep uptight by the way is produced and it is written and it is played with a bunch of adults yes seasoned adults who have this fifteen year old and who are like take it here. This is yours. That's the lead. Think about that. Every talented musician and motown wanted to work with stevie wonder and happily fronted him put him forward. Okay put a blind fifteen year old kid out front. Not because he was just a novelty but because he was the truth. That is insane when you consider the level and the degree of talent in that building. Do you were talking about this. And i think an underrated thing about the steve catalog because everybody wants to act like a quote unquote real artists right. Like people love to big themselves up in that regard. And so it's interesting with motown we big up all the stuff from the assembly line era but we have a tendency to try to minimize the stevie stuff from that era. Because it's like you got to do it all by himself yet. Okay cool except like the last two or three of those motown of similar albums are incredible and he did and when he was eighteen for once in my life that is kinda sorta album era but not really album era. You know what. I was on that day. I'm album for once in my life. Choubey dooby doo died day. You met your match. I don't know why i love you. And i don't need to tell you anything else. Eighteen years old right like well once in my life. And i don't know why that's like top five like if you were say those top five cd songs he didn't when he was eighteen Yeah and those are considered his incubation period. Yes that's considered as training. That's school yes. That's his juku era right arrow. Stevie when they're like yeah it's still figuring it out signed sealed and delivered technically era. Yes sharia more is in that era. What as far as stevie wonder albums. Go those late motown would you can make argument of better than life in his first finale which is incredible but this acid deliver okay. This is a four song. Run on that album okay. Never had a dream come true the week at work it out cover signed sealed delivered. I'm yours heaven. Help us all. I four songs on the record. If officer better than people's prime cuts and when he decides to stevie was so talented that he could be boundlessly generous and insanely cruel at the same time because he'd just give people songs they gave people songs all the time. sometimes he just didn't even push like tears of a clown tears of a clown. Just like i think he wrote that six years prior or five years prior to smokey robinson doing it and like smokey kinda needed a career kick and redid it hits like five or six years later and like stevie probably forgot. He wrote that when it happened. Right and then smoke like hey. I'm going to do that song. Which one i have like thousands. Oh that one okay. Cool go take it take it but when he did a cover took it from you right because we can work it out we can work it out of stevie song anytime. He did a cover. It became instantly better when he did standards. Have you ever heard seaweed. Just rip off a standard. Don't if you really like another version of because it belongs to him. Now as black person and i realized we can work it out was cover right and then i got to the beatles version which by the way is very good it is a very good saw and i really like it when they slow it down for i and fighted and then they rented band gum. Okay cool then you go here stevie with the guitar start owner in old. No this is something completely different here and by the way guys for that that is again stevie wonder at nineteen years old twenty years on like that's where he is is for people who don't know the ark of the stevie wonder career this is where it gets interesting. His contract runs out a motel. He decides to go to usc to take some music. Classes like takes music theory classes. It tried to negotiate. A deal and motown had been breaking people on these deals. Awful deals for the log. It's now berry gordy always makes the argument. We were given the same deals as everybody else right. We took our contracts as a template from mgm or somebody like that okay but they come see the trying to work out the deal. They kinda hard line stevie like hey guys. I got to albums done right here. Wherever i go. I am taking these two apples. I can go somewhere else. Or i could stay here. What's it going to be very gorgeous. Like i guess it's going to be here because by then he didn't need simply line. He didn't need any of the cats that they And there's another thing too. This is where technology and stevie wonder meet. It's incredible to me by the way. How much of the world is figure it out with his ears. Because one thing tying him to motown was technology i e he needed a backup band right. Stevie was one of the first to figure out those royalties. Go a lot farther. If i don't have to split them with people and if i don't have to expend the money going forward and one of the ways in which he heard that and figured it out was electric music coming along. Okay because nine hundred seventy one. Seventy two steve starts messing with rooms. Full of knobs dials and plugs okay he recruits two guys to do this right to electric music pioneers but also consider for the most part working with something called tahoe. That make it cooler. There's this giant. Since thing computer creature called tahoe that steve is just kind of talking to. He's trying to figure out all the keyboards that he's gonna use on all of its classic albums figures out. Hey man i can just play at all like on the classic track on superstition. How much of that is stevie everything but the hor- oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah because you go get like thinking about this right. He gets the motown with two albums. Can one of them is pretty good. One of them is very good. Where i'm coming from. I see is pretty good music of my mind and if you saw that atlanta episode. I think it's the teddy harbor episode. Right it starts with. It does start superwoman. I can't remember what the song that plays into beginning. I think it's superwoman. Because i think it's okay because all the way out it's evil right but both of those like the binding tie of that is a sweet little girl that was the one on the way in which we little girl and then on the way out and like oh. This is a smoking record. Superwoman for me. Is the number one st track. That is my not trying to be cute. People like strategy cute like that is my number one and then we get to talk and book where we get to superstition and you and i talked about this. My theory has been lashing. I'll let you break this down about what is incredible about what is and is not in superstition. Okay so things that are not in superstition okay. There's not a baseball player. The baseline is played on. Sent by steve's left hand at that point that mold that everybody was using no it was basically seedy and know when you talk about who put that in the mix and who made that something. People wanted to use it stevie. Okay it's tanto. It's working with these gigantic rooms full of stuff that looks like a radio shack and old radio shack threw up right. That's what he's working with. Okay in the dark. Like figure out that he's just sitting there twiddling knobs as a blind man figuring out what sounds best and he did it better than anyone else without. Is that bonkers. Okay so you won't hear a bass player which you hear is the baseline plate on the left hand. You won't hear any drummer except stevie okay because stevie is playing the drums. Okay on a real simple kit to okay because most of the time not to get super technical here but there's only three rhythm tracks on this thing. There's only three now most of the time. When you're mixing a sixteen track studio song in the early seventies mid seventies. There's you know use a few more than that. Nope three that's it. It's like kick hi hat and snare tom. That's it that's all he's got okay. You won't hear a guitar on this track later on if you saw. I tweeted out a while ago. A lot of people watched it the sesame street video which is stevie playing the whole thing on the set of sesame street. The full band instrumentation to guitarist on the track including park junior of ghostbusters was one of his longtime studio collaborators. Right his studio collaborators. Our whole other thing. We can talk about their fascinating. But you won't hear guitar on it. Okay the only thing here. Three cabinet tracks. That's it there are three cleven attract. You know what he's doing on those klabin at tracks not released sure like. There's obvious there's a riff that's played and then there are these other two that are just kind of playing notes. Okay and not just playing notes but getting to hear things. This is where the music theory classes. Come in Steve in those music theory classes learned that your brain will fill in stuff rhythmically right so one of the things that he's getting you to do in that song is getting you to count. Bingo aren't there that's like when a song jumps hops. One of the thing that makes it work is your brain is filling in beats. That aren't necessarily played. There goes notes in your head that are going to talk to right and we were having this discussion. What came first the drumbeat or the riff well. The way the song was actually constructed. Was jeff beck. A guitar player of all people who was working with in the studio was playing. The drums and stephen goes hold on a second. That was how the song started with. Stephen goes Key play in that and then goes around and put down a demo which was essentially the gist song right there. So did he come up with the for the trump track i yes. That's the answer. Okay but then. He improved drum track. He improved the drum track and made it better because stevie also happens to being amazing drummer. One more thing that you will not here on this track right. It's song is by. The way is anything. That's out of doric e flat and this is one of the coolest things we haven't talked about this one of the cool things about the strike. Is this that. The riff and the melody lay are variations of the other. Okay a lot of times like a course might go kind of off on its own. The verse might kind of go off on. Its own stevie singing a chorus. That goes off of the main riff. Same notes right same scale and he's just doing a variation on it when he singing which shows you how lined up. Things are in his head like the thing that makes us track work. There's no seems there's nothing that does not fit in this tracker okay and i mean from the root and it's not like stevie and his head is sitting there going. Oh yeah that's flat doric. I'm just gonna do the whole thing in that. Nope seamless came out like that. And there's never been onto sound like before. Like i think that's the hard part if people who were bedtime like y'all superstitious my favorite song ever because nothing had sounded like before i tried to make that point on twitter. People like well. What about what about enabling well others were as good. I'm not talking about as good. I'm talking about there. Are some songs like windows. Cry is a great example of this. There has never been a song that sounded like before. They're never been a song that sounded like it. After you say there was some there were as good okay coup. But there's never been a song that sounded like that superstition like in the context. That outlay maybe. Your baby is on that record. Write great soul of a similar vein. It doesn't sound like this. Nothing does he couldn't even go back to it. I couldn't even go back to win. Describe this is a one time only guys one time only and you can hear influence everybody else but nobody could get like. Nobody can make a sound alike of superstition because like you said. We don't even exactly know what he was doing. And here's the other thing too like in. This has something to do with the key. It was written in. But i think it has more to do with the subject matter at the delivery. How many songs in nineteen seventy two do you think just sounded evil. Go ahead. Let's just look through one thousand nine hundred and you go. Hey man what's on the charts. What's making everything. Feel so good okay. American pie charts in one thousand nine hundred seventy two the candy man. Sammy davis junior is on the tracks brandy by looking glass is a top ten song. Okay even the slower ballots all right. Let's stay together. Nineteen seventy two. Let's stay together. My argument like all time. Top twenty american songbook. Let's stay together by al green even that that's a beautiful uplifting sounding song right tinged with a little bit of the sadness of love itself but still there and if you put on superstition the first thing you think is really evils happening here. Kinda spooky kind of senator. I'm tapping my foot but the chorus is when you believe in things you don't understand you'll suffer good lord that's on by the way like just to keep going through the technical that is not first person song. It is not a second person song. It is not a third person saw. The lyrics are written and all three. Okay that's not to say. There's a coherent narrative in those lyrics. Okay and thank god because like layers deeply overrated right like this on could have been sung with nonsense syllables and it would still knock just because of the way it's built but it's written in all three that's coming from everywhere from every single perspective narrative if you're listening to it is dart evil like i listened to it and i can't stop listening to it. I've been listening to the song for the better part of four or five decades at this point and every single time. I think this sounds like a ouija board. The sounds like it's topic. It's content with more than twenty five gourmet burgers on the red. Robin menu. Is definitely a burger with your name on a bacon. Friday avocado crispy. Onions straws even grilled pineapple red robin deliciously creative with the toppings all twenty five plus gourmet burgers is twenty five plus gourmet burger on the menu in red rock. 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I believe the first song on the record is your sunshine of my life for song on the second side is superstition right. But after that album's of people like you know that's stevie really got golden. What what that's what you get to inner visions where to high starts off right. She's a girl in dream for khartoum. Moss on tv screen takes another. Puppet says it's crazy. Scene at red is green. And she's a tangerine which is again an incredible lyrics for man. Y'all tell them. You can't see that track one and tim drums and he's played a lot of simple because he's a real jazz drummer right. Like that's the thing it's it's a very simple dramas. I don't say simple straightforward style of drumming with a lotta hard snares and a lot of hard ride cymbals type stuff whatever it is and he just runs through. That whole album has live for the city. Which has maybe the greatest skit ever produced to produce it in nineteen seventy-three technology and then like the i'm pulling it out and put it on the table track for him. Don't you worry about a thing where he just do. Talk is smack to some girl right. Hit all his rap speaking spanish. Yes playing a diabolically like latin influenced piano riff the whole time by the way not only does this starts off by speaking something. That people sort of assume gibberish. It's not all right. Let's totally thing. But also sings at back to her on the ride out right and kinda talk her mid song about like what she's expecting in life right. It is the most arrogant stevie wonder track. It's beautiful well especially considering the fact that he basically plays everything but the shaker and bongos like everything. That's on there and by the way. This is the album that he was working on when he was in a car accident where a tree fell on his car and was in a cola and higher ground is so dope that it woke him up out the coal He's in a coma. Somebody plays higher ground and he starts tapping his fix and also that he really believed that he was kind of on a mission from god at that point yes most of us get hit by a car and we wake up and we're like this hurts figuring take it easy for a while. Stevie wonder woke up lost his sense of smell in the accident by the way just in case things weren't hard enough already and then says you know what i'm gonna make a double album right. He goes doesn't fill in the first finale. Which is very good in the year after. That was the year that paul simon when the grammy for best album instead because stevie at one of the two years before and thank stevie wonder for not putting out an album that year so that he could win best album and of course he wanted them was outside of the key life. An wins best album for that and the first disc in particular. So this thing has duke. I wish and knocks me off my feet. Back to back to back If you're a fan of gangster's paradise pastime paradise and the next one which stevie let coolio uses longest coolio wouldn't cuss on it. That was his thing was yeah you can use it as long as you don't cuss which if you're coolio asking for anything from stevie wonder your answer is thank you and i will not. Yeah not going to then by the way like sides three and four and once you get into that. I do think there's a little bit of like you might something skip it starts with. Isn't she lovely is he does. And has by the way on side four which is usually where i think you would put the midnight snacks. You would put the forget ables that you would only consume when you were really in need of late night snack. That's where he puts as which is my favorite stevie wonder song ever. That's where i'm convinced like that's the beginning of the end for stevie 'cause i'm convinced he met god and god was doing too much. Think about as is it is not a great knicks. Like that is the one thing. I will say it is one. I wished that it studio. They would like tighten up just a little bit Lyrical genius instrumental genius. And then he gets the end with steve stoute hollering at you right. You know it means some with stevie to scream at you so he does it. It runs through it and then comes after. That would like another star right. That's another heater. I went to see stevie because have you seen them live. No okay so much more stevie that we could get to. What is going to be hard for us because we have time constraints right because even after nikki life you get to hotter than july which is actually a smoker. That's the rap on the super. Great steve you get like moments after them right but like in july is like the end on it but i seen stevie live twice and the first time i saw live was on this mckee alive tour that he went on a few years ago and i saw him at philips arena in atlanta right. And it's always interesting because you're there with a lot of people who know they should be seen stevie wonder but you can obviously tell that they aren't really big fans because when he does loves the need of love today and have a talk with god and his ghetto land. They're looking like. I don't really know what's going on. And then they here sir duke. And now i'm looking on the floor. Ed earnings johnson and everybody else is now on their feet right because all wrong i know right. Yeah my brother had seen stevie in. He told me he said there is zero degradation in the quality of his voice over the years. That what he said. And i was like. Okay well let's see you think. Steve is good singers a capable singer but not as a great singer. Agassi stevie. Cv is the best live singer. I have ever seen mike. He has the most powerful voice. I've ever seen and then he's in there and he's going. He's playing all the instruments right. He's playing the harmonica but where he flipped the game on you is. He plays that lap guitar right. After he goes through every track also nikki life. He eventually goes in and plays like some other songs right. India re as his backup singer which Probably best got her there. The band is just monstrous but every song it is screaming out of the speakers when he sings and it's just like on top of all this. You are actually one of the best singers. Who ever live everyone at motown that was their main point. When asked about stevie for a retrospective plus. You do not understand what a good singer he is. Or how powerful a singer. He is. Because i think if you record him he can come across as a little thin antennae. Just because he's usually singing away from the mic and he's usually backing off from the instrumentation but when he wants to blow he can knock out mike. If you go to the saturday night. Live with eddie murphy. Were eddie murphy is kind of making fun of stevie wonder and he sings my cherie amore right next to stevie wonder which there's a moment for eddie murphy in life where you're like. I'm going to sing my sharia more next to the guy who's saying sharia more okay. When he was eighteen and seavy goes no no no no. That's not that's not at hold on. Let me let me let me do it. And he sings it and he blows out the mike he blows out of tv. Mike a boom mic. That's like over his head singing. My sharia more the sheer volume with which he can sustain the exact same top quality voice is nuts. technically hearing him saying if it's magic writings that is the most spar song on of key life. When he goes through it is basically just the heart rate him harp And he just kills it man like the second time i saw live was a little disappointing. I saw him at red rocks. He was not will like it was obvious that he was sick. His voice wasn't all the way there. And this is what was funny. So usher happened to be there. 'cause i actually did the same thing i did was like. You'll see playing red rocks. I'll be there right. So jimmy just imagine being me and you know the way to put. It is when i'm in vegas. I gamble you know what i'm saying. Red rocks colorado. So it stevie you're in the mountains you got this incredible view right places. Pack all of this stuff and usher had called and somebody got usher to come on stage right but she had this thing where they had the same problem with the atlanta show where they really know all the words right like it's actually a lot to ask somebody. The words that he solves all command. Stevie is doing ribbon. In the sky. Eighties feeding usher the lines. But usher kit quite. Get the lines right. There's this for so long. And usher supposed to go for so long on this night. I pray right and as so point you could tell stevie was clearly getting frustrated with usher is right like every support where dance and all the piano because she was just like. What do i do to keep going. But it will also look at it. You talk too fast. Chess good get an usher who can sing as azoff himself. It was still like maddie. You're still not quite easy. It's not which is still not quite know for a lung test. This is what you should do in your car. And by the way stevie will fail car karaoke stevie every time because when you'd have the music up and sing along you go you know what i could sing. This is pretty good. Turn it down for a second. you can't. Steve is just a backing track. So powerfully makes you sound could go and listen to overjoyed and then try to sing along with that and hold a note by like the third line you were going to be out of breath he can hold a note so long at such heights that you don't even really realize how hard it is until you try to do it even with your horrible dog bark voice right try it. He is an astonishing technical singer. Every instrument like i mean if you told me. He was the best guitarist of his generation. I would believe you sight unseen seeing that video of him as a teenager and he welcome over to the drums and they just put the drumsticks in his hand. The to like the drummer's that are like the shock to the world number. One is karen carpenter right who des drama and the world at any point. But why would you think that because it was karen carpenter. And in this stevie. Here's okay daddy. Looks like he's not try. It like there are very few drummers doodles wild solos in don't look like they're try- it's very hard to do that in not look like you're try. Maybe just no. It's absolutely effortless. Like stevie probably thrashes on mandolin and i don't even know it right like he's probably the best bluegrass player of his generation and he just keeps it like on the low. It's just a hobby. Did i tell you what was actually the biggest flex of the stevie. Ray rocco no and i think maybe also songs in life but i know definitely for the red rock show. The man didn't fill merch. There was no merchandise for sale. All that easy money right all that free buddy presa some shirts i would have bought. Eight of 'em right no merge for sale. Just keep it. Yeah that i just gave. It plays music baby. I love colorado opening act no merch meticulous. Oh my god that's just dropping like huck turn it down over one hundred grand show just a keep. It pours stevie designated. No no no no no like. It's everything there's nobody even prince. It's a different thing with prince because there's a bit more of a hitter biz quotient. Reprints this stuff you know. I guess it's in part because it's a different sort of ambition. That was there. But in prison i grew up on an assembly line like that was the thing about stevie was the pop. Sensibilities steve's music is always there and it can also kind of like make it murky. How creative it actually is because it is is always so perfect in those ways like. He's not breaking a lot of rules. He's just all over the place within the rules that following. He does things that are craft innovative a lot. Which means that. There is a format and the thing that he's done to put his own. Twist on is brilliant and super innovative. But it's still not going over three and a half minutes and right it might be look a music theory thing. He might take a scale and invert it. he might do what i said and superstition. Where he's you know singing a melody. That's variation of the riff right. He might do that. It's not going to be like prince where he's like. Hey listen. I'm just going to drop the base objects like on windows cry. That's the thing is what i'm going to start a pop song with this affair white. I'm gonna start with fairlight. Anima start with me doing weird noises in the back and a tiny little synthesizer right and stevie could get close to that but it wouldn't be as stark right so like princess. Departures are further out of field thence. Tv's a lot of the time but not much further right like they're both getting to the same point from different perspectives. Yeah he's kind of like a james brown and since although james brown do stuff like that but again. So what's the meter on that song. There isn't one the meter like george benson. We'll talk about that. With james like you try to figure out what the meter is on that song. No it doesn't exist right jays like okay. you know. he's going to do this right because changes not trained in the same way. That's neat he is. He's not going off board like that in by the way when stevie does decide. We're going to do seven minutes all. It's going to be superwoman. It's going to be a is right like it's going to be a monster a sweet and it's going to be composed right like if as goes super long the thing that makes ads so interesting to me okay and this is super music but the thing that makes aso interesting to me is that it does not vary. It's not a sweet. There's other likes tv songs where there's movements and things change right or there's tempo changes as the loop as actually as actually as close as he'll get to like a long gospel number or some kind of rag where it's just the same thing over and over again but intensifying and the only thing making it more or less intense by the way is the voice. That's it it is the most voice oriented stevie track because the only thing really raising the like volume on that and the intensity is him getting louder and louder and louder and louder voices in the back by the way another casual flex in the background singers. On as is you ever looked it up. Michael jackson these think about that right like how in all where people have him from the age of eleven he went to michael jackson's like hey. Could you just drop some vocals on the saying background on part time love who luther keep in mind and luther was a legendary session singer but he's famous by now right stevie wonder if gorge oh baby this is one of my favorite flexes of all time by the way when you get somebody on background saying and you go. Hey that person sounds real famous and you look it up. And you're that person. Israel famous like frank ocean pink and white great track. You know who's just sort of hanging in the background back there beyond say he's beyond say background singer beyond say it was like cool a flex flex coaching because like he's he goes. Uva stevie wonder who the person that would be like. Steve is like i was just wondering if you would sing backup budget. Who's the person that's like our free steed because it ain't me no. I can't think of a single person. Oh by the way also on herbie hancock just herbie. Hancock playing like herbie. Hancock already musician famous at that point. He's just bumping along their cd. By the way we'll return this favour again going back to. He's an incredible generous musician. Incredibly just he will pop up on all kinds of unexpected spots st pops up of all places he pops up as the harmonica on. I feel for you by shocker. Congas right not necessary. That song go without the harmonica but it's way cooler. Stv's on it the whole man. Hey we're running out of time because the thing with stevie on harmonica so like he's not like you may job pop from blues traveler right. Who could play the chromatic scale and do all these crazy stevie just blows in and it's like no way sounds like this like why. Why is this out so strong. How do you take something like a harmonica. And i know what you retire like every time. That man like. I think he could actually play like that guy. Could play a rubber band. And i would know it was him. Yeah like if. I was bob dylan. Who likes to indulge in a little harmonica. Neil young who to indulge in a little harmonica here and their accuracy me played harmonica. How do you not just go shout. Like what am i even doing here. No i think you just have the ultimate humility. They're like neil young bob dylan and you're playing stevie wonder you just go. I'm lucky to be here. I'll really know how it got here. But i'm just gonna keep doing my thing because it got me here even if it sounds like trash compared to that man you know like an example of his brilliant and a gain of people popping up i ain't gonna stand for it on hotter than july the country salt when stevie just decided to a country song knocks out of country banger. Right who's on background there. The gap band. I love that. He got on board with the country song it was like. Yeah no there's countries saw absolutely rocks. Who am i going to bring along. Tulsa finest and those guys are like in. Why am i going to bring them because they play it on a leon russell album right. They're like oh yeah yeah. They've done stuff like this before. Oh lick ribbon oklahoma. They got this. Yeah this is done. They've got this down by the way just in case you think it's too country you get to the course and there's a baseline under it. Just because steve is like can only do so much of this before. This is the album how july that's like the end of the class period the beginning of the post classic period. Let's talk about what's on their life. It's okay as if you read my mind. Was he still plays in concert. He played a red rocks. Master-blaster all i do. Yeah i ain't gonna stand for it and rocket love all-time stevie wonder love song. Stevie wonder's by the white cranks out like some of his best love songs in that post classic period. He writes the wedding song right. Favorite ribbon in the sky. Right every time i hear it. I'm like i should go back to nineteen eighty-three get married in a blue suit with ruffles. Right and a little bowtie like just makes you want to get married. Even if even if you're not dating anybody who actually go get married. When i listen to the song he writes that post. That's a toss off. He writes overjoyed right. Which by the way. The marriage of overjoyed in sports marketing with the jordan brand. I don't know if you remember this ad. Like when the george brand came out they used overjoyed and to me that was like the most plush old man at i've ever seen in my life like it was all perfectly targeted man. We've actually bam to resume this at another point they even get into. Nobody writes what. I call easy. Breezy love songs better than stevie like stevie and bob marley like very simple straight to the point. Love songs is not like it's not way over. The top is not crazy. Turns of phrase. It's you know. I feel like this is the beginning. I've known you for a million years. That's it that's all you need this to. That could be sincere. And it's not overwrought and that we're going to get there in three minutes like i'm going to get you through two verses and a couple of courses in two minutes going to be super straightforward and it's going to be the prettiest thing you've ever heard and then i'm out and and by the way i don't know if you've been in love until you hear stevie wonder song that may sound overblown but then you're listening to a stevie wonder balan you're like oh that's what it's like. Yeah feed is the where i'm like. Oh that's what you be. Yeah no no no i. Can't it now the thing that blows me like all right there. Nine thousand things my way about stevie wonder but his ability to create a song for every situation. Because i don't know anybody who can be cynical as he is and as absolutely sincere and joyous and full of hope. I am not a religious person. Okay i'm a very cynical person. So when i hear he's mr know it all. Yeah yeah that sounds about nixon. That's completely accurate that's about and it's not just about nixon though didn't seat himself in a particular time. Limited to that song is about any kind of extremely deceptive cynical leader it did. It did it again. Would you have done nothing. Which by the way jackson. Five seeing you back just casual just pre tax and five. We'll sing the song about like the evil of humanity superstitions about like the uncertainty of life on this planet and it is not a particularly hopeful song right it is just reflective of a feeling of deep uncertainty doubt and little bit eva creeping in that right well yeah from interviews affiliate personality and side one of the key life not really happy really think about it loves in need of love today to talk with guy. Davila's ghetto land. That's a bummer. That's bummer after bummer. After barbara eventually gets his hopes up but like these are very cynical songs and they work because knock right like you could tell me all bad news in the world but if it goes and it comes around to the one every time i am going to buy it all. But he can do that and then he can write. Isn't she lovely. Which like if isn't she lovely. Doesn't just sort of hit you like. I think before you have kids you hear. Isn't she lovely and you go. That's cute heroes song about his daughter kids and you hear his that she lovely. Go exactly what it's like. Steve is exactly what it's like by the way i think things back up for him and she is lovely indeed just in case you were curious. A man has never told a lie. The man has never told a single keep in mind to all of this and he wrote the best grandma song ever right. I just called to say i love you. The song like eighty sought so it is. I hate it too but that is the best grandma song ever. By the way it is by far his biggest hit and when he played that rare walks man wife. Host luddite man. Why could not get enough. And i was like i guess i should have known this was coming. Remember just in closing here. I know we're up against time here but remember the things you love or not the things other people love the things you the biggest song right. They're gonna disappoint you. So you better be ready for it right like france in karaoke if i wanna get the white delegation on board i wanna sing four or five different songs that i love deep in my heart right. I would love to sing freberg. You know how many people are going to get on board and you think freberg not everybody. I know what's going to get the white delegation hopping. I know what's going to get the northeast on my side. I know what's going to get the coast on my side. I know what's going to get the midwest on my side and it is a song despise them my bones from mero outta my flesh okay and it is sweet caroline if i think sweet caroline there is something in the caucus caucasoid. Dna that immediately lights up the minute. They hear neil diamond. I can't do a thing about it. Just works it's also also caroline. It is interracial wedding favorite because it is very popular among those white people and the black people who hang out with those particular white people to the point where friend would marry that particular white woman and therefore this is the song that is going to be played. Wow this is how we wrap this up. That was fought spencer hall. Check them out bad -ociety they're gonna live with the sec network thinking out loud. The shutdown full cast probably my primary vehicle right now along twitter account at eds follow me. I'll apologize in advance but you know after that you'll enjoy it. Just the first couple of tweets. 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Foxworth Friday: Analytics aesthetically changing the NBA, and more Kwame Brown!

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Foxworth Friday: Analytics aesthetically changing the NBA, and more Kwame Brown!

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Wherever you get your podcast rate us review gives five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are hater. It is worth friday dominic foxworth into house and he has developed a new appreciation for stevie. Wonder thanks good for his as a man. Some i know people. Maybe they come here for sports spread out. I don't think they do on friday. They know they're gonna get a lot of stuff but grew up knowing. Stevie wonder was a musical genius and i appreciate it stevie wonder when he wasn't popping like that when i was coming up at pop everybody was hard and starts to like. That's what i was listening to. But like i always knew stevie wonder good after listening to you guys wednesday you in spencer talk about stevie i decided to go down rabbit hole in which first thing i learned was. Tv's name is not stephen which i didn't know and then i decided to go listen to all the songs that i like but one grabbed me and it was as and i'm listening to this on apple. They like scroll the lyrics along. So i'm listening to as an arena lyrics and i started well up before i even got into the first morris. This is the most beautiful ever heard it before like into me. Felt like after you watch jordan play and you're like oh there's a higher level that no-one stevie steamy has exposed me to love. I didn't know that i could. I wanted to go hug my wife immediately. After i got to i hook man right. I feel as got a second life. Was it the best man ashes. Like i feel like a second like there because looks like it was a single right like a dope dope song on the second disc of a really really really long album and then the best man came around and in that brought him back in then do like i say man said he could love you till eight times. Eight times. Eight is four level you until the day we are no more. I'm telling you man if me and my wife at dinner and stevie wonder come up with his instruments in sing that first verse to us. I could say the sexist chauvinist thing is like yes. We can take my wife what i was thinking. Actually i will go on a date with stevie if. Hey i'll be loving you all as i argue. That verse earned him a date. This is beautiful. But i'm just talking about that right up to the first courts as around the sun the earth revolves in the rosebud nose to bloom in early. May just as he knows loves curious. You'll your routes your mind that i'll be loving you. Here's the thing that's on the same album knocks me off my feet. He's got to level is got to level of the same record to level I don't know you guys did this show already. So i'm sorry to make the people have bill problem with it. And he's thought hollered at to eat like. This is what i wonder if this tv's bio but he gets to the puerta the ear where he started highland like wait a minute. She'd like not going for you. Know what i'm saying badges that lasts versus. I don't think you heard what i just said you. You win it. We all know who founding travel you as he was born in another time place. I grew up a hipaa. Like i remember in. I remember like breaking down lyrics in hip hop songs and then each song will have two or three lines. That i would say to my friend like did you hear that we break it down that you figured out a month later that it's like triple entendre. This is like way back before the internet and rattling genius. It actually took you some africa. Figure that out yes. There is not a line in as that. I can read in not laugh every single line and this is one of those lives where i would be in the car on the way to school with my friends in the backseat. While my brothers driving like did you see where he said until the dolphins flies in the parent lives in the sea. All ways. it cooks lives in the see. What sitting here thinking about that. He followed that up with until we dream of life and life becomes a dream. I'm always and that's not even s before you get to eight times eight times. Eight is a dog until the earth just for the sun denies itself right until the day. The earth started right to left which doesn't make a lot of sense but whatever. No matter don't makes this money jones that's fair. that's fair. I wanna do the hollered. Part just altogether. Because it's the only thing i can do this. We all know some. Tom lives hates. Troubles can make you wish you were born at another time and place but you can bet your life tom that in twice. It's double that. God knew exactly where he had wanted you to be placed. So make sure when you say you're in it but not of it. You're not helping to make this earth of place sometimes called hail change your words in the truth the change that truth into love and maybe our children grandchildren and great grandchildren will tell. I'll be loving you. Did you hear me before. So that is so incredibly beautiful. In maybe like bomani your rider. I am a writer. And i think that also adds to it. The value of it is like knowing how difficult it is to express something so powerfully while also rhyming like that to me is what makes it even more incredible if anyone is listening to this orbs anyone is not moving thinking. I wish they would get to sports. Pause the podcasts and try to write two lines drawn that a timer for thirty minutes. Set up thirty hours smoke. Do whatever you gotta do hip tap into whatever creative juices you have brought to sit there and give yourself thirty minutes and try your best to write something as beautiful as any one of these lines and you come back and be like oh. My bad tried to express how much you love someone. Whoever in your life that you love your dog. I don't care who it is. Try to find a way to express how much you love them. That is more powerful than any one of these lines. Ed can you also play an instrument right like that thing about the overland with him imprison. Everything else is one thing that you can go out here right this right. Okay cool but you also out here play instruments endure this. I am simply not good at that many things and guys. I think i'm good at a lot. You and me both. I went to the best business school in the country and are playing the best football league in the country and i worked at the best sports network in the country. Like i think. I have great at a lot of things but man. I can't do this if lunch from table and pencil is not an instrument. I can't play what extent of my instant retaliated novice spencer like dude i sit there. I am just perpetually amazed at how many things spencer has an encyclopedic knowledge of by is before the story of. I don't any like how do you forget about knowing the place. I remember it like how. How do all these dates. That's feel talking to you. That's high praise of you to say that about spencer. Because that's talking to you. Is i can bring up any music genre. Any artists bring up any sport from decades before we were both born. And you'll have something on it. I'll get spencer on that. I always say. And i mean this. My relationship with spencer is like what america could be stopped trip. Yeah you know what. I'm saying like that is the full on way that i feel about this up here in under shirt but all the bearded everything and he's just like yeah. Let's get it to the keys of the stevie music right. Let's talk about all these scientific. That have happened while also wildly enjoy. Just what we do commercials support for this. Podcast is provided by better hill as mental health awareness throughout june. The right time is proud to join the calls. A decent to their struggle with relationships are having difficulty sleeping or difficulty meeting your goals. If you're feeling anxious to stress better help counselors can listen and help better help will assess your needs and match you with your own license profession. You can start communicating getting under forty eight hours. It's not a crisis. 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And all this spreadsheet finance stuff. I can do all that stuff. And when i first started into sports like i thought it was cool but i can do all this stuff and it is cool that i can do all that stuff and i would lead with that my chest out like you know what i know all this stuff i could make my own models and then i realize people do finance because they wanna make money not because they enjoy it and i realized that i was not having fun with the sport and you can see it happening. The hall of fame ceremony ambassador was a good example. Good reminder of how diverse the game of basketball used to be you an. I'm hesitant to make too much criticism. Because i don't understand basketball as deeply as i understand football but i know when i turned it on. I'm more board. But today's game. Which i know sounds ridiculous because it's so much talent at the high end. I'm not bored by it. But i'm more boy by the style of play now than i was when i was coming up so peep game on. I don't know if you're familiar with kirk goldsberry books for all all all. yeah yeah. He does great statistical analysis. But he's really good at is putting out like these frequency charts. Great visually capitalizes. What's going on couple of days ago. He put out a frequency chart about were made. Shots were taken in the nba. This year. the only spots on the floor were enough. Shots were made in order to like be visible on this chart around the three point line and from like the bottom of the circle to the rim straight in the middle that's phallic nature also which it was it was everybody's taking the same shot down and you know what that means. Time to change the rules right right like anytime you reach a steady state and everybody is doing the same thing that means. It is time to change. Either in a we'll table the situation with his one guy so dominant. We need to widen the lane or whatever it is or you reach a point where i think basketball got in toward the nineties. Which was everything can move toward the state up with three guys on this side of the floor one guy post one guy in isolation on the wing and that's how we're now going to play basketball and then once everybody played like that got boring we add to shake it up in. This has to be shaken up like that. Lebron steph gate that we saw on wednesday night right that i will idea my best watchman. I'm old i was i was i was just four points and i didn't close my eyes but obviously i close my eyes right. Came down to was yeoman. He's doing a cold and doing incredible things to watch optimizing this for success. I get it but it's not fun. It's not enjoyable. The story line. I think is part of what's lost. Their which is the highlights are as good as ever like. I'll watch a highlight show out. Scroll through twitter in lichen re tweet. All of the beautiful dunks passes and all that stuff. That's great but the story. Line that you get in football to give and take the matt so to speak in football you used to get in basketball and the clashing of styles you used to get in basketball and again. I'll preface this by. And maybe i'm just not as smart on basketball on football but it doesn't seem like you get that in football. Has this one thing. It seemed like the only sport that i don't want to call it analytics perf as much as maybe it's been improved by analytics because baseball is worse watch because yes like basketball is worse because of analytics like i don't watch enough soccer or enough hockey to get into that but football analytics push them in a direction of doing more interesting things and you can see that because football is so complex. There are many different ways to win. There is no optimal way. When you have lamar jackson having the best offense in the league in one year and then patrick mahomes the best offense in the league. One year you can see that these many different styles and then you can have henry down in the titans like they have an effective offense and you can see around the league that not. Everybody is doing the same thing. Even though the don't run shanahan descendant system is the most popular yemi tell you where also i think. Football's go swimming around. Because what i think is interesting about the shanahan system is while everybody is spread. His out kyle is kinda spreading it out but not really. They still coming out here. Run twenty one. Nobody's really out here running with two running backs one tight end a two wide receiver. Shanahan come out here and do it. So i know of one college coach. His grand master plan is is he wants to figure out how to run no-huddle affirmation football right because the idea is now that the linebackers have gotten so small and now that we are basically moved like three hundred fifty pound tackle outta here that the next step in the evolution of the game in terms excess is going to be exploiting the fact that these defense just aren't that big anymore and then hammering them but also maintaining the temple that squad scoring points in this day and time right like that's the thing about football because the can you kick my ass factor never goes away and football and so once you get to that fundamental place like that's gonna wind up being the change there and i'm wondering basketball if without changing the rules there's going to be some change that then creates the need or at least the desire for people to diversify the styles that they have because you know what basketball needs. When i was a kid there was room in the nba for guys. Who weren't good basketball. And i understand. It sounds counterintuitive. Wants to people who aren't good at basketball but those guys made things fun right. Like charles oakley is not skilled enough to play in the nba the day but the league was better for having charles oakley absolutely. It's shooting to is not just not good at basketball is like you can't play in his league if you can't shoot also you can't play in this league if you aren't quick latte early like i feel like that's on defense played off the floor and those guys are exceptional and other things but this just popped into my head now and it might be a crackpot theory but it feels to me like part of the reason why football feels like analytics isn't making it. Less interesting is because in football you are playing against the opponent. Yeah and these other sports you have opponents out there but it feels like you're playing against the game you're trying to optimize the rules in your favor. Were football is like no if we see somebody in a cover four. We're gonna try to run the ball. They're heavy cover to. We're going to try to run the ball. If they have a weak spot. Here we're gonna attack that in. Every opponent is different and basketball. Had some reason it feels like the opponent matters but so much of it and it feels like i'm denigrating. The intelligence that requires us like basketball. I understand that there are adjustments made to like pick and roll coverages and all that stuff throughout the course of the game but when you a three on one break they all look the same people go into the coyness like they all look the same. When you get a half court offense in a court situation is almost always eyeso- or high pick and roll at all looks the same you don't got. Nobody shooting sky hooks. I hate watching. People should discuss hooks without the kid. I saw lopez. Shoot when other day and i was like what in the hell is that but i would love for somebody to catch it on a block and do that old borne. Tim duncan wander off the glass. Nonsense they don't do that dead series. We have a whole generation that oh nothing about post moves right. I'm not even going to be in that guy right. But even forget about chemo. What kevin garnett heading credible post moves. Tim duncan had incredible polls moves. Joel embiid as good as he is and he is excellent he really hitting you within post moves and there's an art to that right now. I think maybe that's the thing that the nba has done. All these changes to give people to gain that they thought they wanted what has been lost as the artistry of like thinking about. This was the last time you saw somebody doing up under layup right because the game does a really allow for that anymore like the nature of what defense is and how you zone up and everything else. Those things are great right. Like the george gervin finger roll from like eight feet away from the basket stuff like that. There's no room for things that are just objectively beautiful. Unless you're like steph curry shooting from half court but we're at that place. This is the too much of a good thing problem though because like all the things that we're seeing the game i loved when i saw those things in the ninety s in the early two thousands. I love seeing them. Like i got a whole plate potato salad. Like i love potato salad on a plate with a bunch of other stuff i was not this guy normally am not this guy but i have to be honest. I'm less interested in the nba. While it is as talented as ever been. And i always kind of fall back on like entertainment. Properties are about stars like. I'll turn on a tv show. 'cause i know there's gonna be a star in it about storylines about protagonists there so many great stars with diverse attitudes and images in the nba. There's so much great talent. But i have to be honest. Maybe because of the world winter taint is more competitive now. Like i watched less basketball like regular season basketball just for pure enjoyment now than i ever had in my life which seems absurd but also there's a level of what makes his engines. You right talking about protagonists and like the characters in the store one jesse terms of pure basketball we need to bring the mid rain gave back alphabrain. Number range game is very simple. Bring back the hard foul right the same way and i know why we can't do this in football. Just wanna be clear. I'm not a sociopath the same way. Football's more interesting with steve. Atwater out there d. Cleaton people over the middle basketball is more interesting with the hard. I look at steph. Like when he goes to the basket good going to the basket makes them shots dog. Somebody should've took his head. Clean off on a couple of steph curry into lane with zero fear. There should be fear about going into the light. It's funny because they kind of legislated out those players and football but the result of that is more guys catching the ball over the middle. We lose but like opens up more of the field in this dozen. I guess i see your point like why because then the mid range suddenly becomes a whole lot more efficient a into the basket and getting layup could cost you. A mid range gets a lot sexier when you can't shoot a three. I love fourteen foot right. We got hold. Generates that ain't got no mid range game because there's no use for the mid range game anymore. You know what i mean. We have those. That's one thing that. I think that we had the horror foul. We would bring back a lot of woods going on like i like washington play one on one basketball and i understand that people like we did need more ball movement like that was thing and it reached a place where you need more ball movement and like i was watching that game The game tempted. That crazy shot over shack in the playoffs. And the derek fisher. The crazy shot. We point four seconds left. The game was seventy two to seventy one. No i do not like at that point. I do not one games. That a seventy two to seventy one. I do not want them. However i was riveted by the gate. I remember how i when derek fisher shot. Remember me. I'm a homeboy is sitting in my apartment derm and when that shot went down how loud we screened because we could not believe that it was at all possible. That's better than games with double the score right like the idea that objectively people like points non on people like action. You know what i mean. People like i don't mean conflict in the most like courses but people like conflict people like that class. I do think that with all these games. We don't get them like. That's why these playoffs interesting. Watch lebron steph. Lebron hit that crazy shot at the end. Whatever it is. That's what we won't man like when this comes down to the end of the game we don't wall ball movement we won't vat guy and we won't that guy we want to see them. Go away absolutely three room. Shack is a classic as a play in game classic because of that moment. So i think you bring up. Interesting point about the drawbacks and i might be going overboard on how much i missed the game. Because you're right. There were things about the old game that were terrible which is why they changed the rules to make it a little better but finding some middle ground i feel like is where we wanna end up and i'm mad at myself about sometimes soon whereas like i wanna wanna watch these games this season. I watched the most basketball was diverse. Season lebron was in miami. I watch every single miami game from beginning to end and that was win. The league was kind of in this transition right and it also was because that story was so compelling. A lot of the nation turned on lebron james. I immediately became a lebron. James van. Because i felt like it was unjustified and i wanted to watch every game and i wanted him to destroy everybody in all this while we see like some diverse styles of play like i know that on the roy hibbert playoff matchup is one. That comes to mind as i wanted to times. That seems like it's from the nineties like idea that a relatively unskilled and you gotta be careful how you talk about basketball players now. 'cause they will come and get you a a relatively unskilled offers a player like roy. Hibbert have the impact on a game that he did is something from the olden days. What was so wild about roy hibbert. I was actually thinking about him a little early tab with his staff. Because i wanted to make sure i got the years right roy. Hibbert was one of those impactful players in basketball in two thousand fourteen. He was irrelevant by two thousand sixteen and in two thousand sixteen roy. Hibbert was all of twenty nine years old prime. Yeah he mattered a lot. And then the whole game change in an suddenly roy. Hibbert did not matter because let me tell you the other thing about those who talk about how the basketball it could be awful. Did it could. But ironically we love all the guys that made the basketball right. We love those dudes that were covered in. Take cats out right. We love those guys that were banking. I don't know if it's because they were relatable. Whatever it is but we've made the basketball quote unquote better and it's possible that we made the nba quote unquote worse. I would also make two point two. I wish people hadn't convince all these boys when they were young that they were going to be stars because they all turn out to be kind of boring when they talk to the media. They're not all one hundred percent boring. But have you been keeping up with my man ant man. i'll yeah in minnesota. Yes he's incredible. I love everything about him just because like nobody bothered to tell him how he supposed to act as a star. Right that in houston. Don't mean fool fool. i will. Apple sat up there in the zone playing with his hair. Like this time by audible. You see my earrings. They they they asked him the other day exit interview. Ask eddie highlight the hieber this year. He was like a little all about book. It's the last time we had one of these. I'm looking around the league. It traffic last time that we had one of these. And i cannot think of it right. We have molded manicured these guys for so long. Like there's so many things about this has also happened in football with college but as the game has changed and as they made it about money all the way down to so many levels that we've made things boring in a number of ways because it had like talking about it with respect to all the college football transfer and him in in basketball too when guys leave and i'm like yeah because these guys have been going from school to school based on the jeff charges they were fourteen years old. They have no concept of loyalty to any of these institutions because they've never stayed at these institutions long. They are all just places to serve them. I don't blame the players necessarily for doing it. But it ain't better for the larger product. Might we all acknowledge that you would think that the social media aides and all that would encourage more personality we would see more individuality more uniqueness because they will recognize the value in it and coming off of the jordan era like everyone was all. You gotta be like mike. You gotta be mr corporate. Don't say anything wrong. And be the picture of perfection. But it seemed like we're in like an anti hero phase where like it would seem attractive in marketable to not be. That guy in lebron has taken that role steph has that role. Were they kind of do no wrong in the public eye. You would think that these guys will recognize the marketing potential of like not being that but the problem is they all think that they that i guess they all like man. I'm lebron some of y'all go be famous so if you're not gonna be famous before like i was thinking about this and also it doesn't help the these guys like so much more sophisticated now as they come up so we don't get stories like this so mike. Why is my my executive. Feed mike toll story about the year. The all star game was in cleveland. He told on my radio show and it was really this amazing. Nba level store. So the all star game was in cleveland and mike it cover the knicks for years in charles oakley is from cleveland and so he says charles oakley invited him and frankie ice to come to his house like people's house in cleveland and i think a limousine was involved right. I can't remember if frank. Mike drove their themselves in oak. Came by himself and limousine. But either way it's oak in a limousine in a purple suit. 'cause oh from cleveland right in a purple suit and he brings them to the house and course the way bike put. It was like we get their pay white. Sports writers like these oaths house and he says he gets in there and sweet. Potato pie was excellent. And everything else. And like i envisioned this house with plastic on the furniture and everything else but mike was just like how touched he was that i wanted to share this part of his life with these guys that he's seen all the time whenever guys the all star game is in the city where they from they all of a sudden now become the king and they went. Show everybody all the stuff but i remember hearing that story and the personality involve in all of it right. We ain't gonna see that now. Those kinds of stores part of it goes media doesn't get access in that same way not be in the guy complaining about that but you know this is something that gets brought up so we get to the playoffs now in you got teams that you like best or whatever like as much as i talked about kyri. I do appreciate the he exists. Because we ain't had to do like this in a while love them. I mean somebody that you can have a feeling about most of the guys like you can't have a feeling about him. And i i love man because i know i remember that dump that people were critical. Like i know that there's some people who don't like that and that gives me reason to care. The same thing with tyrod is like i know that people are going to be on one side and other kyri because the stuff that he's saying is not great is not something that you is not a warm bath like that thing is nice whole scorching hot. You're going to be either the one who likes to call it up on like this is not feeling it makes it. You brought up oakley's name a couple of times. I can hear oakley without thinking about my ten year old daughter which is a weird thing to think of so a is more athletic than most of the kids and our class earn her age in when she plays sports but she is like a first child is very much a pleaser and she's a sweetheart as he's kind and whenever she plays sports. I remember we playing basketball and whenever she knocks the girl down or something like that she'll stop and like try to help them up and be like super apologetic and like i'm not a sports like yellow us island. I make a point. Because i know i'm the only athlete over there. Mostly most one of very few black parents there. So i i'm silent whole game. I'll say good job girls. Something like that once or twice but that bothers me more than she was eight years ago in a basketball game she found a girl and the girls glasses broke interface daughter. Bladen in our noticed. I believe that happens because eight-year-olds on coordinated and so my daughter's like so abusively apologetic like mid game and an act of the game. She's like say. I showed her video of charles oakley and was like look. You're oak dog. Laura fine you lab so proud of you. i love it. And now when she plays soccer like daddy play like oakley. Today say never tells oakley but see knows if you score no goals. I don't care. I don't go there trying to hurt people so you're not quite old dog though he would try to hurt. People like don't feel bad for doing your best. Don't feel bad because somebody fell down after the game. You can tap the girl and like my bad. After the whistle was blown. But like you don't have to be great united score. No goals like. I'm not that day but what i do want is like effort and don't be apologetic especially for young girls in this is a whole nother. That's a life lesson. Yeah look no. You don't need to be backing down and bus pass. If you've got a bustling ask and say sorry. Later now. The nba does not have villains like. That's the thing there's room for villains. This is made better by villains. Like bob ryan used to make this point about referees where people like. Nobody paid to see the referee. Noble the referee is part of the show. Like for example. Bob ryan loves joey crawford because he misses the days where the refs had personality right. Like teddy valentine college. Basketball's like the only one that's really there like in terms of just having personality. It's okay to do that. And i think in a lot of ways especially with the nba whether they realized they doing it or not. You know college football and basketball did this because they always so worried about. Why folks you know what i'm saying like. Okay let's get the personality out his we're gonna make it but you don't even think about who these guys are. You could just come out here and you can enjoy basketball. The white folks enjoy disliking the ones of us that they dislike. You know what i'm saying. That's part of the program. They might not do it for the healthiest reasons. But everybody wants to have somebody out there to dislike. I told the basketball watched. The most basketball was lebron year. That was about race in my view. A black man showing agency in a way that black manhattan before maybe the way that he exited perfect but the vitriol that he received from fans was ridiculous. And i liked the lebron before. Then i rooted for lebron before then but that season i will real. I hadn't been a real sports fan. Because like sports with professional for me from the time i was about sixteen when i was all right. We got to get a scholarship. So i'd like sucked a lot of the fan. Who out of sport. That was the only time that i felt like. I touched like the fan moment because like i was passionate about america's billing felt like hero for that one season. Don't you know about mike tyson. Well if you bought the last dance gave you an incredible new. Look at michael jordan. Just wait for this new tyson. Documentary event scott mike tyson. The knockout title says it. All is incredible. Climb to the top and becoming well really the baddest man on the planet then do is hard crash very public crash to reinventing himself from the hangover with that tiger to his personal comeback. Today documentary features exclusive new interviews with everyone from skip bayless rosie res- michael spinks buster douglas and those who were right there with tyson across his journey today a famous interview with him. Robin gibbons and barbara walters and now here from mike tyson himself buckle up for mike tyson. The knockout documentary. Now this as we think about this and we come toward the end of our time. Don't you wish that we got the twenty twenty one kwame brown. When he was in the league he would've been a dominant. it would've bit as his sation. They just kept calling brown a bus and he came out here with har- files and post game interview they. I don't know if you saw. It is what i used about matt bahr. You ever tried to woo somebody as big as me. Barry barnes like the quami brown retort. Got my attention before the all the smoke podcast so when i heard the i heard quantity going after all of them outside and they must have went in on then i went back and listen in. Watch their show where they talked about. This was about something else. This wasn't about them. But it is about the though specifically matt bahr because his attacks on bars are so pointed. It also tells me. And i don't know that much about how matt barnes right but it does seem to me that matt barnes. Stephen jackson came up. This look different. And this is why i say that steve jackson said something like one time and they kept a move matt. Barnes keep getting these back and forth with kwami a uk wit like. He had the one where he got out and invited him to come. All the spoke at bronco via satellite did is the midst about you. I know you're her. I know you've heard that hurt. There's no winning against bobby brown at roy now whatsoever there is no video activated your hair trying to show that you look good. Life can't do supposed to be great. Used to be taken dudes girls. He also. This was maybe the funniest and it by the time you guys here. This probably guarded. Put out like eight more videos right. He said dad do jump the gate at a house that he paid for said your product got the key in your pocket but you were so into it that you joke the gate. Oh my chest by chest. I mean to talk about writing at the beginning of the show and steve is great. Writing like is quality coming off the dome with these. 'cause they're great there's this is quality comedic writing up. Here's a career in that. He also has a career in reputation management. He managed to flip the entire script on himself in a matter of a couple of hours. Yes because from now on. When you hear pommie brown's name you're not going to think what we thought before his first round bus now. You're browse dan. Do who aim for your nonsense. Like that is his new reputation. This point forward but what's also interesting is he is very clearly explicitly offering up some right wing politics here but wait. He's doing it. He's doing it while also offering some concise undeniably true points like when brought. It was just wrong. That right he knows he was talking about and he wisdom places like non on. I really here for you on now. But just about everything he said about matt bars like when you get to. The crux of it is like yeah dog. I kinda see what you say. He also is the kind of country that lycene folk he called matt. Barnes a lying little. Let me tell you something. Every single person. I know who uses that in were that i put out there. They all have one thing in common. They're dead not because somebody shot them but because they live to be eighty five and there was nowhere left to go by. What is going on here. But like here's how he says something. I'm like yeah kind of see where you're coming from here. It's masterful like it's not politically correct and all but like the content of it. I'm telling you. I feel like he's a writer. Well he got writers. 'cause this stuff off the dome like stevie freak out has i can on the microphone. Freestyle and as on a regular basis. Legitimate people need to understand about because i don't think people are saying country like if you know country black folk in particular. He fits eight that. I'm very familiar with right. Like all the color ism stuff that's in there and they know like that i'm like okay. I see what is but what you gotta understand about. Kwame brown kwami brown may sixty three million dollars in his nba career. And you know what he did when his nba career was over. He moved back to south georgia. You know what that means. I assure you that house in lot that it's all is painful. Promise you he didn't move back to south georgia. He never left. That tells me like self georgia followed him. Everywhere he went and he was like every off-season. I'm going some people living in the city that they played no i guarantee every season. He was back home every time he got a minute. He was back home and he took south georgia widow. And i'm telling you though this what people gotta understand once a country do got his land and pay and he's got the money he has literally not a care in. Were not one. What are you going to do to me. You quami scattered getting canceled. Qube can't live without instagram. Kwami gonna tell you exactly what he thinks at every moment because what you go into heat is gonna go back. I don't know does he. I mean that was a dumb question. Obviously he does. He has no need a grocery store as long as he can get. Electricity kwami can feed himself on his enormous lot. 'cause sixty million dollars anywhere in the country is nice sixty million dollars in south georgia. He good egypt as bricks. That's another thing about the nba. We don't talk enough about we. Got rep is up so we had no stories about them do is going broke in quite a long time. Yeah that's that's an old phenomenon. Yeah yeah these cats like what about the being molded. Since childhood is no the people who joe money are not allowing you to blow it up and they would like to get that money for quite a long time they would like to get that money consistently so you right though gamma quality brown a single thought for all these years and let me tell you what i think. He actually gets a bad rap. Kwame brown was a bust right. You know and i get his point. Nobody's a bus in the nba Relatively expectations of the number one pick he was disappointing average. Six points a game for his career. All have you ever looked at that draft who ever went number one unless it was powered a saul was going to be seen as a bust. That draft was awful. Awful i tell you like the best players in that draft were powder saul tony parker joe johnson gilbert arenas and there is a steep drop off after that steep jason richardson showing baddie as in that draft rodney white in their draft aisin's sizes jabber. Yeah but it took a while for that. It touches chandler. Hey going number one. We would talk about tyson chandler like we talk about kwami brian. That's fair eddy curry. Yeah like there was nobody in their draft to take He just happened to be the unlucky one to go first. And then he wound up on. That team with the lakers where it was colby and bulbs within just by definition makes him a bomb and then the lakers started getting good. You might have started. Thought about him a little different than he got sent to memphis in that trae situation expectations always matter more than we give credit for. 'cause he wasn't a bad nba player. Now he was a disappointing player where he was drafted obviously but he was a fine. Nba player. He played a couple of years in college. Or if he came straight out and wet fifteen people would my own career better than a lot of the guys got drafted in front of so like. That's what you need to do. It was two things one jordan took him and enjoyed played with them. And you know all the problems that came with that but the other thing that it's easy to forget that call me braun. Was the first high school player to be drafted number. One overall. There are only three high. School players ever drafted one overall quality brown abroad. James dwight howard. Those are the only three that ever went number one overall a he was the first one anyway because there wasn't nobody else to take in draft. He is heading enough of these people in what he brought it. Charlemagne to god and dj envy. They had to go get brought into agile ye to hear the only person that's ever made me laugh. Call somebody a beta male like. That's the thing i'd be like. Oh you got to be out here laughing at stuff. That's countered what. i believe. what i'm about is just so funny. Why are you instant accent. But in this climate i think he is also one of these guys who's making the comedians and podcast hosts and celebrities complaining about over weakness. He's making ebola. He's managed to pull this off. He's doing all the things that you said. We can't do no more. He's doing it and people keep coming back to watch. It's just a higher degree of difficulty. And he's managed the thread that needle all this time. His best talent was not in play basketball. He is best talent wasn't comedy writing. I would watch. hbo special. That's brown now in no rehearse routine just kwami brown in front of an audience and i would pay the audience to individually hackel hill. So it he just go one by one a have some not. He keeps calling mad bars little boy. He is four years younger than bonds. Labar told you like cub day lanta brunswick nowhere near atlanta and i don't know if he lives in brunswick brunswick where he went to high school is four and a half hours away from atlanta bars. Like yeah we'll do a show. Atlanta come to atlanta doll. You gotta get you a map. Y'all trying to go to jacksonville. You might be able to get him to go down there. Y'all don't understand the cut. I steve steve understand the level of country. We deal with don barreds. You've got to let this go. This is a fight that you have no chance at winning. You are not prepared for this at all because you're not really mad at hill for whatever reason not easy is with you. He knows you'll spots. Maybe he has some history matt bars that were unaware of or maybe matt. Barnes has the best material for him to go after. But again if you watch that tape map bars like none of them are really going after him. A matt barnes doesn't do anything at all bars has got it is there. He just happened to be there in. Kwami was spraying wildly earth. But now he's zeroed in on one man and his onto to brown thirty eight years old at all did pay his references are not the you right is references over us at all activator air because again color is a big part of it. Kwami decided he did not come this on life to be taking no smack from nobody by rachel right. I'm not saying that's how we should see the world. I'm telling you that seems to be clear. Yeah that that is how he sees it gilbert. We're good right off the bat. I stephen a also very wise. We're good man you right defend yourself a good man. Moving on dos. Stephen has brought back to active. Nba superstars right kevin durant. I am not a bad you would as it beat. He's all brown. You'll we have been hard on you. Stephen they was right gril strategic decision. It also was a fair thing to do this. A smart man no matter what you believe about him yelling. Tv the man seems to know how to make the right moves at least in this situation. Well you there. You remember the infamous temecula night on twitter writing. I said something about it in a tweet and to make you do came back at me and i immediately turned into rinaldo ray. You must've have. Oh man no no. I don't want any of this. I am simply observing. And i find it to be funny. I got no we whatever it. Is you out here talking about. I don't want to give what about gilbert giving. It really got nothing to prove. He does all this stuff because he's just a weird sociopath when it comes to this but he has nothing to prove what i feel i identified. Is he feeling bar. Somebody that got something to prove it. S why he just twisted twisted animal pride and ego getting in the way because the obvious move is just be like you right kwami way no harm. I didn't consider how this must make you feel my bad. I'll be more conscious going forward. And that's like not only is that the rice t- thing to do as also like probably the right thing to do this and again i don't think they wrote them too bad but if you hurt somebody's feelings like that's what i would do i. I dunno clowning. Somebody here athlete or something Not that i can think of a time that we did it but when when that happens. It's my take offense. Even if i don't think it's that big a deal. Somebody takes offense and they come for me. I'm not a lot like what i'm a joke. Based on a podcast. I'm an adult with three children. I'm sorry bro i me. No hong moving along. Yes it all bad know ladies and gentlemen. Thanks so much joining us here on the right time. That's friday dominic foxworth. Check them out at undefeated dot com gabe s antonio latitude and we got our mandate presley now handling things behind the scenes. Thank you guys remember. Follow the right. Top rate us viewers ios pasta. Only give us. I'm inclined to believe you are hater. 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05/18/2021 - Best of The Odd Couple

The Odd Couple with Chris Broussard & Rob Parker

36:36 min | 2 months ago

05/18/2021 - Best of The Odd Couple

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It's that time of the year. And lebron james who i did have On my third team all nba. Despite him only playing. I think forty three forty four games. You'd be generous but go ahead but not thirteen. I mean that's that's fine. He obviously was docked for missing many gays but thirteen is okay. But anyway he stat muse which is a. It's actually a handy little website and they have a lot they post a lot of big time stats regarding at least from what i know the nba. There may do other sports as well. They probably do but one thing they posted was. That lebron james this year has averaged now twenty five or more points a game in seventeen seasons which is by far more than anyone else the next nearest person or people only i did it for twelve straight seasons michael jordan raji ones michael jordan. I think kevin durant michael jordan. Kobe bryant carmelo kevin durant straight seasons. They did for twelve. is it just twelve period. Twelve string of really. Yep so lebron seventeen straight 'cause it has to be got to be an order otherwise it wouldn't matter right. Lebron has said would be impressed on. It was even if it was not straight i. It would be weird unless my was injured. Jordan only played fifteen seasons. He played the to the wizards so so twelve is right for him. But anyway kevin durant obviously going to move toward lebron not hill. He won't catch him out. But anyway lebron posted the the the graphic from stat news and then he added a comet raji. Can you read the comment for. Here's what he said. Quote since i was nineteen years old exclamation point. And i'm a pass. I i always been. That's why never mentioned what the greatest scoring. it's perfect. Because i'd rather keep it that way. Let me say this. And i must say rob. I have mentioned lebron as the score. And i know a lot don't but i have mentioned him as a great score. Now maybe means when you see tv shows and they talk about his. James harden the greatest score and all the brandon. Have that jump. Shot or doesn't have i have. He don't have a move. Chris that you say you know what i mean like. I think that's why he doesn't get it. He fills a stat sheet. I don't i don't doubt that at all. Is it always pretty busy. Running over people and dunkin. Yeah other guys have a pretty jump shot. I think that's why he's not rushed wise that way. I think you'd have to be asinine to not say he's wanted a great scores of all time. He's a second timeline. Score may end up the first all time leading scorer averages what twenty seven four his career and he's done it officially he's a career fifty percent shooter so he is definitely wanted a greatest scores as you say rob but i. I totally agree with you. Like lebron doesn't have the offensive package in terms of scoring that koby bryant had that michael jordan had the kevin durant has that steph. Curry has their james harden. Has those guys. Kobe wasn't a great shooter but he was a good shooter. I was a better shooting lebron even though it's three point shooting percentage is lower than lebron's but that's it it's like shaq shaq didn't have the most or the greatest post moves. But you know what you couldn't stop the holyhead to do is jump up and dunk it. I mean nobody who stop them. I mean what what what moved did you need. Is there make you right. Put in lebron's case you know it's just it's not pretty. It doesn't matter though it gets the job done. But when people talk about shooters and scores is different. But i just think that's the reason he's not mentioned. He obviously wanted to ask scores. Whoever played at that goes without question. I don't think that anybody could debate that. But that doesn't mean that he's going to be mentioned with some of the greatest shooters and scores. I think most of the other guys have something pretty pretty jump. Shot move chris patented move and i think that's lebron lax. I actually do think. Also even though i think is there's more to it than this and i've stated my reasons many times as you have rob but i also think in some peoples minds maybe even subconsciously. It plays plays a role in the goat debate. Now i think jordan's better just because of his productions and and things he's done and and just his game overall but his game was more graceful his game was i think jordan had the the prettiest game we've ever seen in addition to being the best. He was the pretty. His game was the prettiest graceful right. The move is like i said about michael jackson rob. You and i could memorize michael jackson's move right and do them but we wouldn't. It wouldn't look as good it just wouldn't you know. Hey look that. That shot against craigie. Low chris just poetry in motion right. You know dude all over him and he adjust in the air and gets it off. I mean you could go on. I covered that game. I saw that live. And i was an all. He wasn't michael jordan yet. You know what i mean like. He hadn't won anything we knew it was a great player but that was like the first real. Like wow like if you go watch that and you know. Obviously i guess i saw it live put to watch him replay and and what that guy did and then the knock down the shot to win the series. It was amazing. And that's what you're talking about. The poetry and motion of michael jordan's moves look better simple as that kobe's moves. Look great vince. Carter's look great. I mean there's others obviously who are graceful innate. They look good doing what they do. But none like jordan in my book. and lebron is truck. You know one you over. Yeah he he's just you know and he's obviously incredibly skilled. He is a tremendous past. That's one thing that makes him so great is he's the size of karl malone. Doing the things he does is ridiculous is incredible but i think it's more those things we mentioned rob not having the one goto shot right not being a great shooter not being as graceful in the air as some of these other guys. I think those are the reasons people really. Don't mention him as one of the great scores even though he obviously is i think it's more that than his pass first mentality or at it might to me might be more of a pass eagle mentality. You know. I don't know if he's a pass first guy is obviously a great passer but he's kind of past equal. He's not shoot i. He's both you know. But i think that more than the passing rob. Yeah i guess. You're right from from that standpoint. But also i think i think it's i think it's the the the way he scores would force not finesse right. Carl malone right. Do people say he's one of the greatest scores about. Obviously he is right. he's the same way. He was a big muscle bound. Guy couldn't couldn't stop. Carl malone right right right so yeah i think. Those are some of the factors. Be sure to catch live additions of the odd couple with chris. Broussard rob parker weekdays at seven pm eastern four. Pm pacific on fox sports radio and the iheartradio app. It was up everybody. It's me three time. Pro bowl of ten and i couldn't be more excited to announce a new podcast call up long game. What is the point gain. You add along with my fellow pro bowler. Tj and super bowl champion. Yup that's right plaxico burress with that type of talent on it up on game. We're going to be sharing our real life. Experiences loaded with teachable moments. Listen to up on. game with me. The barrington tita cushman's outta and pledged to koper is on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcast from chris. What's the social situations your most uncomfortable with any situation where i'm with you know really for me. It's when you run into a dude but totally draw blank on his name right sometimes. It's tough for me with my wife's work colleagues. Lots of doctors not everyone sports fans so i get kind of quiet you quiet. I don't like formal situations. I like miller time for sure. Miller lite is brewed for those times. When you can just hang out and have a good time and miller. Lite only has ninety six calories so as less filling. it's not a seltzer. it's not an ip. It's just great beer so next time you're getting beers with friends make it miller time. Luckily you can pick up some miller lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer or go to miller lite dot com forward slash. Odd couple to find delivery options near you. It's miller time celebrate responsibly. Miller brewing company milwaukee wisconsin ninety six calories and three point two carbs per twelve ounces as simple mobile. You get the no contract advantage. 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Simple mobile out with the old in with the simple. Let us get to the nfl. and again. i. I keep saying every time i look up. We're talking aaron rodgers every day at least one segment. But it's the mouth this story that keeps on giving and today now the big stories that former green bay packers general manager ron wolf where they dig him up. From ron woolfe wolfman five years old like seriously weighty way over the weekend on the big show network. He said This about air rogers. In today's quarterbacks burgers huge change started russell. Wilson then went to watch them. Now we've got rodgers and it appears that today's quarterbacks one to more than quarterbacks they want to take the coach pick the players. Let's say we got a lot of divas plan league right now and the thing that i fail understand is all these guys that are doing this. I'm long-term deals rob. You've talked a lot about that in the power of the contract respecting it you agree with wolf no i. I don't put everybody in the same scenario or situation and call them divas. Ron woolfe chris. I looked it up is eighty two so i knew he was in his eighties but anyway he was there were far. Was there believe. yeah yeah. Rahm was a good general manager. I'm not going to like knock his career anything. But i just don't look aaron. Rodgers really as devaux. Aaron rodgers has been chris. And you know this. You've been critical of him for not speaking out for years and asking and demanding stuff. They fired his a quarterback coach without aaron rodgers. I don't remember a big stink about that They never drafted a skill position. Offensive player chris in the first round entire career. They're coming off. Nfc championship game where everybody thought they would go. Get him a with this with last year. Not this past year. They draft the quarterback. I mean and i don't remember him ever really. You know beating his chest and say this is b. s. and listen to me and do this or do that now. Now and we still haven't heard from aaron rodgers chris. Despite all of what's been reported have we heard from would. But i'm just we haven't heard from him. You have so so a diva is at me. Listen to me. i'm the running this thing. You better pay attention. Hello i'm over here. That's not aaron rodgers. you could say a lot of things. Christian of some of these things are true then it would be a change for him right from where he was. And maybe there is. I'm not saying there isn't i. Don't know but the call him a diva. I think that's misguided. Yeah i agree. I don't think he's a diva because you're right a divas and attention hound right. Jim mcmahon you could call him a diva if you want it so a lot of the why receivers in the league are divas. You remember when it out go ahead. No i was gonna say why we're see with like you mentioned Inko and yeah. There's a lot of those guys right. Who look at me right right now. I'll give you that. I do think aaron rodgers and we've seen there's been stories deep dives about what really went wrong with the packers all of them kinda come around this. It started with the jordan love situation and he was upset that they want it. They drafted a quarterback didn't draft skill position player. That can help and he was upset today. Didn't tell him and to me. I get it okay. They were wrong in doing that. They've admitted as much but to do all of this over that i again i agree with you. He's not a diva but this. This is bizarre to me. If if that's the case like i said we really haven't here's the other thing. Though to your point i would like a rogers to come out and say something if i was in a situation like that right like what what is going on and only the only thing conclusion i can come to is. That is true rob because he hasn't come out and said anything. If it's false you know this. Let's say that you know there was rumors that you wanted me off the show you g. did you say something. Because there were rumors of that and it was the furthest thing from the truth. Are you just gonna sit there and not say anything or you going to come out and say look this is bs. I'm the you know what i mean. I know i get that but but the other side too is. Sometimes you know you don't wanna you don't wanna go out and justify something chris that's just not true. Do you know what you give it some credence but this may feel i think. I think there's an issue between them. I don't doubt that whatsoever because even leflore and general manager they both said know like they're working towards something. There is something that is true. Yeah but i just think that. He's a little passive at times. I told you after the nfc title game. I thought he should have said look forward. No no let time out time out. Let's look at this thing and go forward and in this situation he's leading an i get it. It's your agent. Probably who's leaking a lot of this stuff for people you trust who are leaking it so i get that they you know you trust them but sometimes you gotta take the situation into your own hands. That's what i'm looking at. Rogers highways about like do come out and say something not for us necessarily but to set the record straight ten and also also made don't know who might not know who is you know we know who notice some. That might be. If i'm aaron jones. I might be like men you know what's going on. I swe signed here. Do you know what i mean. Absolutely a free agent. I just and and i guess he could have called aaron jones. Yeah you know what i'm saying. I'm sure but oh for sure but but because there's a good chance they have friends think he talked to davante adams before i had a bad year last year with aaron would air and so i agree. Those guys probably have talked to erin. I think to rob because he obviously said more than aaron rodgers and russell wilson. I don't think russ is being a diva russ's saying i'm getting hit off an awful lot and we gotta do something. Because i i saw what happened to andrew luck. I don't want that to be me. I rather be. Tom brady rock and play. Twenty some odd years and still be at the top of my game and at this rate. I don't know if i can get there. So i don't see that as being a diva i see that as taking control of the situation and then shawn watson. Obviously that who knows where that's going but he didn't like the way things are working in the front office. They got this new guy in charge and a lot of people. Don't seem to like and i rob. I think these guys aren't really being divas. As much as they're trying to take more control over their careers and we look coaches and front office. Guys don't always do the right thing right. And if they weird a point now whether it's the nba or the nfl. If a star player sees the front office or maybe even a coaching staff making moves or decisions that they don't agree with they're going to call them out whether it's anonymously or publicly on their their name but they are going to call them out and if they think that some of the people in charge are inept they go to say look. I need to go elsewhere. 'cause i wanna win and so and so in our front office. Don't know what he's doing. So i'm outta here. I'm trying to get outta here. The band nine at the problem with that. I don't think that's diva like behavior. I think that's taking control of your destiny. When i think of diva just think of like like and that's just the nature of a wide receiver. Chris because you've got to get the ball you know you need the ball you and i were coming up. The why receivers weren't divas like that. No but i'm saying like i remember keyshawn. Wrote his book keyshawn. Johnson start damn ball wanted a first right but yeah i love keyshawn. As a player he really was. I mean he wasn't a superstar but he was a rare very good player with the jets and then he won the super bowl with tampa. You know he's a good bit higher right. But i don't i don't i wouldn't go as far as as as the nature of receivers because again. I don't remember lynn swann. Being that way fred. Belinda cough steve. Large cliff branch law. Pherson i'm just saying you know those are the guys coming up john jefferson charlie joiner a my research. I mean they were chris carter. They were divas like that. You know so. I think that's relatively new. But anyway i just think that in iraq i think some of it and i don't i get it from the players. There is such an emphasis on winning which it should be right. You play to win the game that these guys are like look man. I'm not staying here for twelve years and you guys are gonna have control and not make the right decisions and because of it. I'm not going to be able to wintering. Yeah it's now did yeah. It's a slippery slope. Because i i don't know i mean we'll have to wait and see. It's not everything right right right. That's that's the part that i have an issue with like you know like if somebody wants to ask their star players. Chris like some input. Do notice guy you know. What have you heard about him in the league. I'm all for that but being general manager and doing stuff like being in the draft. I just can't get with that. I just can't i. Just don't i think that there's no way they're going to know all that stuff and dr. I'd have to question you know what i mean with. Go to say you got. Iraj is a quarterback. You can go and say look. Why don't you take a look at some film he's received. That's that's different. Chris am i right totally different. But hey this guy we really like him. He might be available in the second or third round. Do you think you know what i mean. Look at this and just give us some feedback. We really like them. But i want you to see his technique or whatever you know ruin to see what you think right now. I do think in basketball. Where i feel like a lot of this is coming from. It is different because there's fewer players way fewer. That came right. Yeah and it's not like you got different lineman doing one thing and you know Receivers doing a completely different than it's more cohesive and then what what sister can no more. What system is to coach. Running chris around four zero four. Three eight right. I know what i'm saying. Like what kind of is it covered to write off at right so that that is where you have to be careful but but i do like you say i think you slippery. Slope is a good term. Fine line is a good term because you star quarterback. He deserves a little input. Maybe but you can't. You can't just turn everything over to a guy. And let him run the franchise. Let him make all the decisions. But you can't give some input so it's a fine line. There's a happy medium there fox. 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Scalise stephen jackson kevin jack barnes. They were talking about the power gestalt trait and she mentions well. Hey you know people forget. We had to give a markets all in that trade and kwame brown and matt bars makes a snide remark. You you've given marcus. Didn't give on me talk about well. The following week. I think maybe in the very next episode even gilbert arenas on there and he starts talking about kwame brown he goes onto this long soliloquy about how kwami brow was very physically talented but you know losses confidence these michael jordan michael jordan basically and. That's what happened so kwame brown who has been silent. I think since two thousand three left the game decided he wasn't gonna take it anymore so he went off on instagram. Live and he give you a quick summary of some of the highlights that he said in several who already minutes long was like an hour and a half years. Graham live videos. There's a youtube videos. There's a lot of stuff. One i saw was throwing make himself some money. He should get a podcast. He knows what he's doing. So here we go so just a quick summary. Some of the things he said he simulated that gilbert arenas is the reason why he didn't get eighty million dollar contract extension after he left washington and he also called him the whitest black boy. I've ever known. Wow matt born calls him becky with the good hair and insinuated that He should be more worried about keeping women than keeping how. Yeah now he's rob. I don't know if you say he has gotten personal. Yes now again. I'm cleaning this up as much as possible. Americans heard the the clips is a lot worse. he said. Stephen jackson is a fake activist. Who dare fake the fake. The who makes all of his money tearing down the black man even though he claims to be a black lives matters activists. He said he's gonna slap stephen a smith so hard on the back of his ed. He's gonna l. grandkids to pay covering up his big forehead or you laugh. I ski thankfully skipping shannon. didn't get to skip. Didn't get much. It wasn't as bad as those. It gets really dark. If you were to go. And look i i. People say he cracked a lot of jokes per nothing. He said it was funny because it was all very personal. Right i'm very direct job Just like i'm going to say. And i don't mean scared for my personal safety. I got nothing to do with this but is scary. That kwamena looks like he really ready to bust some heads. I mean he's talking stuff. I mean he goes all in bars. Personal life dared fisher. Took you a woman like going. All in he's calling jack a fake thug. You ain't all that. I saw charles oakley make you cry. He he is going har- at dues. We heard what he said about stephen a he looks like he's ready to erupt on somebody. Well let me ask what i may like. Look this thing and hopefully these dues never see each other if they do they kiss and make up. And it's all good. But i the last thing i would want to see. Is this get crazy. And right now. I made looking like he ready to go crazy. And you've got to schools. I feel bad for him. he's been beat up for a long time. Chris the butt of jokes. You know that quantum agree with you. Okay so he's been beat up for a long time and i guess there's a tipping point and we're member players at one time chris. What was it. They were criticizing when we said something writers or the right now got players who are now in these chairs now. They got a problem with them. Remember burqas in and durant durant when after perk us because we play. Jellison him chris right. That's what that's what they were saying. Now you've got guys who play and you know not insen out and putting stuff out there and ripping each other and now they got a. I'm just i feel bad from the standpoint of yes he'd been beat up for a long time. But you just can't get to the point where you let it i don't i. Maybe chris is bullied. Am i missing. It may bullying him. Holy i mean michael jordan. I just was hard on him. Our told you. But george said the same thing with larry brown did that to darko. Like right right same again and then kwami goes. they'll a deal with. Kobe was tough on guys lows. Another guy right. Yeah we saw in the last dance. Jordan's mentality was. I'm going to make you. I wanna test you right as a teammate. And if you break so be it. You ain't bill for this right. If you break. If i can break you then you go help us in the championship. You're not gonna help us in the play offs so you need to be gone and if you survive it and toughen up then great. You will be able to help us in. I'll embrace you open arms and according to arenas and you know we've heard for years around the league covering the leak that they jordan was tough on kwami and really took his confidence. But i i'm with you robin that kwame brown has been so beaten down right. I mean he's been the poster boy for number one pick bus and look of course as the number one pick. He didn't live up to his billing by any stretch the imagination but he became a serviceable. Nba player. I mean he started. You know hat. Basically half his career six point six point six five and a half rebounds wars career. I'm telling you this is showing right now. Players told me that boy is country. Strong like i don't think dues want to mess with him. I mean he was viewed as a tough do lease. That's what players told me right. He wasn't a great player but he was tough. And the beyond that two thousand one draft when he was number one. You had a lot of dues. That didn't pan out at the top of the draft. Tyson chandler was second who had a nice career. Powell was third obviously hall of famer. Eddie curry he. He didn't live up to his billing. Jason richardson dish. Shame badia eddie. Griffin seven speak we. He's dead now so ghana's shop it was a lot of guys But you also had some really good players. Come out of there joe johnson. Richard jefferson but. Yeah i qua may. 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534 - Cranks For Thee (6/22/21)

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534 - Cranks For Thee (6/22/21)

"Readings friends chapo. Were back again. It's me man felix mchugh on the day before an york. City's mayoral primary. Who you guys got. What are you thinking right now. It looks like Eric adams is the favourite My general consensus on vote tomorrow is rank any rape the whoever you want to vote for whoever you want. But just don't vote for adams or andrew yang if you if you rank the same candidate five times accounts five votes if you really want eric adams to win. I think eric adams has what it takes to win. I think so you think about like what the job of new york city mayor is. And it's that everyone hates you and constantly disrespects. You and you're also the weirdest person in the city. Eric adams has that because like i consider his front runner moment was when the news came to his son's house and told him how disgusting it was and he was like no. No i'm i'm gross. My house and then ran an audit on what was in the what was in his Refrigerator because out of course is a a vegan and they found all kinds of all kinds of smoke salmon's in their frigerator of what was clearly his son's house. I mean the guy lives in new jersey. But yeah you're right. He's already doing the job of being new york city mayor which is just to have basically just cloud. Yeah yeah you just like you. You sit in an office with your legs open and people queue up to give squarely kick you in the no show. They should replace The mayor's office they should replace the desk there with a dunk tank. And if you're a citizen of new york you should be able to sign up to get in line to dunk the mayor into the tank. And if you wanna skip the line because obviously it's going to be very long you can pay and that money can go into the city budget and that would make the mayor of new york even if he did nothing the rest of the time more useful than any of them have ever been because they would at least be raising fucking revel last mayor who like people liked for any period of time was guiliani. And that's like you can't cheat death because because he presided over the lips out because he was fucking master blaster barter town for a year and a half master-blaster runs by town. Yeah well i mean but it's like you can't cheat death and it's like if you like a debt and now i would consider giuliani. The most disrespected man in america though. Yeah the fbi showed up at his house. They were just like tooling around through shit like us. Richard went from like being beloved by everyone to still carrying the curse of the new york. Mayor's like going around like but dialing reporters like his keen falling out. Just something gross in confusing like david russell happening every two weeks. But eric adams is perfect for that because like there's so much weird shit about him like the thing of him referring to himself in third person because he keeps a diary this is. This is very writes about himself. He's the protagonist of yeah. Yeah eric adams is treated very rudely by the new york post when they claim that my dad was was was sloppy and unmade. I keep keep take corners on it every morning. Think about them. When i'm there you're calling your adults on on the phone and you're like hey like a bunch of guys at hate me are gonna come to your house and call. It grows and looking through your after you do that okay. Yeah they're going to be coming through your shit like michael tracy at fucking kurt. I can wald's garage sale. remember that. Yeah it's exactly like that that'll be fun food. It's like people were like clouding the shoes he had. Yeah yeah like what are the he had like air force ones but for like teams that are no longer part of the nba. It was awesome. And also like there's so much about him that's perfect for this like his personality like how he started racing is like i will not be. I'm against the race card. Like getting very antiquated term to say twenty twenty one but then like the moment that like people are exploiting the ranked choice garcia and yang. He's like oh so. You wanna keep a black guy out of office. Running against you released today. That garcia and yang forming pack to like be like garcia be like the number two choice of young voters to form a coalition against Adams is sort of leading in the polls. He said that hearken back to the days of the poll. Tax in literacy jim crow. Yeah he should just make after. He said that you should make him mayor like did you also did adams used to be. Pretty close to louis farrakhan or they were allied at one point. I mean honestly. I'm making the case of. You should vote for him right now. I would like already. They're pretty much that he comes from a robust tradition of like black conservative Like nationalist yeah. Yeah you sorta like kind of clarence thomas in that respect. I think there's also something perfect about him becoming mayor in this moment because after the explosion of the black lives matter summer last year and all the sperm it and and the twilight of the debate angler Era this like big bird. Scarecrow motherfucker reenacting john lindsay's presidency to a t and then we get this huge field of candidates no clear favourite. They have ranked choice voting for the first time to like make it more quote unquote democratic. And the likely outcome is that this fucking former cop who lives in new jersey and has the politics of like the average. Mike and the mad dog caller is gonna get elected by the same coalition of voters. Who made joe biden the democratic nominee. Older non whites in the outer boroughs are gonna just like in south carolina are going to. They don't care about any of the bullshit. Everybody is talking about all the issues. All these all. These like supposedly heightened political stakes. They're gonna fuck vote for the machine paul. The way that they did for biden in two thousand twenty because all of this ferment of politics that we invest ourselves in it doesn't permeate beyond this layer of the people who are most online but least likely to vote in the mayoral fucking primary or maybe are likely to vote but or not numerically significant. Just not the. They're not the center of gravity of the electorate in the city. Well more than they were in the country. I watched a very interesting movie last week. Maybe you guys heard of it. It's called breaking. I got. I want to watch it very. There's some there's some. There's some different choices i would have made of. I directed i'm trying. I've made award nominated documentary. That's true. I would love your take on but breaking because i'm not gonna comment on whether i agree with a thesis or not if you don't be like that's constructive but it's annual lane. I if it was my job to make that argument. I would have done it. Let's be on judge. Joe brown has a big role as like an expert in it and a lot of what he says. Just makes your. There's this part where he's like. Yeah if you look at the most popular genre of music it's rap and hip hop but it hasn't changed for thirty years and then he'd go to places this is verbatim by the way i wrote it down because then if you go to places like japan paris or liverpool people are doing it but then a japanese guy will be. We'll be listening to it. We'll try to dance and he doesn't know how to dance just jumps up and down but the reason is all those countries are lgbt. It just look even if you believe the central thesis of buck breaking. That doesn't even make sense as a sentence. I had to it's so demented but like i like buck breaking and like some part it's like yes you heard it here first felix likes to break it. He loves it. He loves buck breaking. It is like it's okay there. A lot of like black conservatives in america and their voice isn't heard a lot and i don't mean a black guy who this to agree. Donald trump i mean like a very unique thing black conservatism and i consider buck breaking like a continuation of this tradition. That farrakhan is a part of and i even though it's not exactly the same thing there are many strains of it. And i i. I am very interested in that line of thinking and feeling. We're gonna talk about later in the show. That's like it's a white guy doing the buck breaking thesis but doing shittier job and his last being or charismatic tariq nasheed and it's like i don't know if i like really wanted like would want that like represented like electorally. I mean i don't really have a say in it. But like i do think it should be in the new york times like more people believe that than believe what the fuck whatever the fuck brad stevens does. And it's it's like genuinely a very interesting. Like uniquely american line of thinking. And i like i like do kind of think people should watch it like. I don't agree with the central thesis. Obviously but it's like it is like i've met a lot of normal people who are like good people and like they're nice people in their lives and i wouldn't really call them like personally bigoted but like do believe that i saw on that movie. And it's like you just if you pay attention to american media there's just no representation of that in there and so when you know in an electoral situation like this people. I feel like are constantly taken by surprise. And it's like no. There are millions of americans who like okay. If they're not exactly they're they're not exactly where buck breaking is or they're not exactly where you wanna go further to the right. They're not exactly. Where farrakhan is or if you want to go further towards the center like. They're not exactly there. But they're like broadly in this sort of like the uniquely black idea of conservatism. Well you heard it here. First folks felix petermann endorses boxing. On new york city mayor well it breaking porn star and amateur politics. That movies great is because when when you kids seem something. That isn't like conservative inc. That's not like mainstream conservatism. Like sort of a more outsider e conservatism it. They'll do that thing where it's like. They say one thing really completely true and no one really covers it. And then it'll be like the next thing is like japanese guys. Just jump up and down when they dance and japan is an lgbtq nation. I don't know what the fuck me and also i'd like to go back to judge. Joe brown's original statement hip hop and rap. Music hasn't changed much in thirty years to changed a lot. I mean it's it's yeah that doesn't work brown is like i. I think he's just like old. Well yeah i mean. They used to be talking about having a house party. Or you know what to do when a fine Female steps into the wedding. And you've been eating too much and now it's just sort of mumbling about taking painkillers. Obsessed with judge brown. Because i think he's like in a biden type thing where he's like son downing and i watched Kwame brown have you seen this podcast. Oh my god he was going on fucking what's his name on board arenas and matt barnes that was he. Cut a promo on those guys. The hardest i've ever seen no. That goes audio. He said he's like you guys. Keep chapin jokes about me and basketball. Then he goes matt barnes. I got a joke about your mother fucking life you posed. He's like i hope. He has kids mediocre. He's very. He's very good at that but judge joe brown was on a recent episode and like kwame brown starts off talking about that. He's like yeah you may have heard. There is like a sort of controversy with me. Charlemagne lot of people are mad at main judge. Brown's like all right. No i know exactly what you're talking about it. I'm gonna keep this brief and then talk for thirty minutes and the think he starts off with is yeah during the sixties during the antiwar movement. What people thought was if raise a boy like a girl. War would stop all insane thirty minutes thing like rambling like biden as thing about like this sixty s and like gender politics but i do think i don't know we need more that a mainstream media because it is like when i looked at the comments and a lot of people watch us the comments were like i'm a sixty two year old nurse. I agree with everything. Judge brown said. There's fucking stuff. There's you've never heard of if you've lived at certain life and there are millions of here in student america. And you'd never know if you only watch mainstream media. Well we've got an pretty far afield from the new york city mayor's but yeah i know i mean i just just back a if you're voting tomorrow say anyone other than yang and adams. I mean they're all goofy You know mile widely seems to be the progressive choice. But she seems like an absolute sap to me. I mean she's like spend most of the primary shitting on bernie sanders but if you wanna ranked number one go ahead just seems like all the real estate money and like a police. Shit is behind entry. Yang and eric adams But it's another another little development in new york city local politics or to sorta for most of the country. But this is this. Is the number one podcasts. About the number. One city in america new york. So i'd like to just continue for a little bit The city council candidate who got Revenge porn sm dungeon and of an estate of sort of erotic bondage and ecstasy. That was leaked to the new york. Post by his own campaign is invisible. Weiner you folks to this. I saw that. I mean i'm having trouble with this one. I mean if i wanted to be conspiracy theorist i would say this guy who has a total long shot candidacy like why would they release. This guy is like no no real chance of winning. Like why did this come out. I don't know. I don't. I mean i don't know that but my guess if i had to guess i would say that he fucking put it out there himself. Yeah i thought it was response to shoot a lot of class and dignity and just being like so. I did a thing you like. I don't feel guilty about it or bad. You shouldn't yeah. i don't feel guilty about it or bad. It's almost like i wouldn't mind if it got out there. And then my campaign attention. Because of that i'm sort of wondering if someone with the humiliations that wouldn't run for city council as part of the strategy for a grand day new ma in which shamed on a national level in a way that really really fires Aguirre's turns his crank. Yeah i don't know. I don't know i'm in takes all kinds near school. Everyone should get to be mayor. Everyone she gets to be a councilman at some point in their lives. Walks crank This is the perfect segue into an old friend of ours. An old friend of the show. Coming up Actually Recording this show now on the original. Blue yeti mike. I got to When we started being like oh hey we audio's should be sound good on a podcast and it still has the baseball crank sticker on the base of it so the baseball crank honestly like a foundational figure the chapel mythos and honestly i feel guilty because we haven't talked about cranking a long time. It's been a while fuckers. Act like they forgot about crank but he came back this week with a pseudo controversy that i loved because it involved i would say probably the only funny thing that baseball is ever tweeted. I mean honestly give the guy credit for for finding that squirrel finding a nut eventually after years of posting. Yeah he. I mean he's done unintentionally funny things for. I think he did one of the funniest things i've ever seen. Which was his blog post on. September twelfth two thousand and one white baseball still matters. So this was okay. I mean you guys. I'm sure you guys saw the news that the biden's dog champ was is no more. He was saving whether it was behavioral issues or not. I don't know. I mean but dog killing his back in a big way. It's the hottest thing i mean. You're trendsetters here. We we we shown a light onto the huge american subculture of people who adopt dogs kill them and has it spread to the white house. I don't know but is there a woman in the room with champ in a in some sort of dark ceremonial robe with a jade inlay. Doing some sort of Eldridge chant before she Split them up. I mean we don't know for sure there's no way of finding out. We don't know champ is going to live in that that big old country farm in the sky people are people are a lot of prayers up for the biden family. Curiously on major major. Every time i go to the debate stage. I'm going to say where's major. Where's major biden whereas major at champions no more but major is still around somewhere. We don't know so. Yeah i feel like. I think this is probably the trump people felt you know when the the ban infection was pushed out and the jovanka factions are winning and he just started governing like mike marco rubio as if he would have done anything else I feel like. I was part of a contingent of patriotic americans who loved huge dirty poorly behaved dogs and i feel like the globalist some sort of killed champ. Baseball crank has been killing it. And i mean he's he's he's kiki champ. He's died once but he's been killed again by the baseball correct in the following create so dan mclaughlin. The baseball critic tweeted over the weekend Champa biden dies major lives on the biden family tragedy in miniature and to which you've received a tidal wave of outrage climb god including from on just just right after the tommy vitor jon favreau who replied baseball great. You are a truly awful person. And then fabio says imagine how utterly broken you must be to proudly display that level of public cruelty to other. Human obama made jokes about drones striking. You probably wrote those jobs to the correspondence center. The jonas brothers are here. they're out there somewhere. Sasha and malia are huge fans but boys don't get any ideas. I have two words for you predator drones. You will never see it coming. It's like give me a fucking break here. I'm sorry. Joe biden is president and like i'm sorry to dog dying isn't a national tragedy and also like when you run for president and like your chief point of appeal to the public and is that your son died a long time ago and you feel like fucking sad about it like i mean. That was a major part of joe. Biden's fucking set. That's why we have universal health care. I mean like i. I don't even think. I feel like the consolation prize. You get for like world word. We all love no accountability for these people for joe biden and the guy who supported the iraq war. The guy who was behind every major piece of financial deregulation blah blah. We could go on forever. You guys all know everything. he's done. The constellation people like that sticking around their entire in our entire fucking lives and just sometimes doing the bare minimum. Is that you get to make fun of them in their lives like. I don't respect this guy like as a person and in fact like his main utility to me is that he's just falling apart is the wheels are falling off. Fm and like his life is kind of funny. And it's like you take that away what we have and you know it's weird like i mean. Obviously i don't think it's entirely the same people doing it. But it is funny to contrast the blue check media reactions to the slate story about losing luna so brave of you to share this story. Thank you so much for sharing. This is a hard choice but you made the right one. We're all stand with you and then baseball crank our boy crank tweet to joke about a dead dog and These people they lose their minds. They can't handle it. they're like i. I can't imagine a human being doing something so profoundly cruel to someone else. It's just like look. It was a good joke. Okay it was a good joke and this is coming on the heels of a week. We're like there are fucking like a copious leaked and text messages from hunter. Where he's calling his lawyer the n. Word and arranging trysts with escorts with his cousin. Who's a female cousin. He's asking for a dates in the caveat. No no yellows please. Then he said that. Amazing line about like i need someone. Who's very attuned to evil and against it. The of the these are the all these women are like me. They're they're aware Distrustful and very wary of evil. I love human ape pulse. They're made entirely of cocaine. Like we are both equally attuned to evil and we are very very wary of we're irish-american relatives talk to each other and it just like you know just to. It's like watching a great duet of lies. The text exchanges with his cousin were weird because it seemed like he was trying to set him up with dates with her friends. But it could also. I don't know something. A little bit more. Nefarious look like he was ordering off the menu menu. Some some guys liked by their wives. Yeah yeah are you telling me that if you couldn't get if you had a machine that the pentagon at built that would allow some sort of temporal like quantum rifle that allows you to shoot hunter in the head and it would pull from another dimension. I would do that in a fucking heartbeat. I mean like. I'm sorry. I can't see the. There's a parallel in that. Like someone else point this up. There's a parallel in that. Joe biden gave both of his sons dog. Names that unser in both. That's such a good point and then like champion. Major hunter is the one he keeps biting people. He can't stop biting going to biting rehab but he just won't stop act ago. He won't stop being bad well. Major has been doing some really like really good and really soulful stick piles in the backyard. Get over his need to bite people. I've been. I've been taking some time to work on me and digging holes backyard. I'm doing a lot of that lately. It helps me center myself. Champ audit brought in a dead squirrel from the backyard and it just sold for seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars at a gallery. So so i mean. Obviously everyone's mad at the baseball and i was just like look varies fair. A funny tweet is a funny tweet however baseball crank i mean obviously not being one to enjoy humor or an say obviously someone who always needs to have the last word is gone and shot himself in the foot by writing a piece for the national review in which he to explain this tweet away in a way that makes it seem like he wasn't joking so i wanted to give. I wanted to give this week amazon gift card to the baseball crank but no he had to go and explain the joke rather than just letting it stand on. Its own two feet. So i'm gonna read now here from the book of crank. This is a baseball crank writing of the national review these shakespearean father son tragedy of the biden. And obviously this is not exactly new territory for the baseball. Crank or anyone to plum. This is very old hat at this point. But i just like i just i just love the way. The crank attempts to defend his Rather funny observation from the slings and arrows of the save. John's so he writes here. It was announced saturday that joe biden's champ has died at the age of thirteen by all accounts. The family german shepherd was as we would say a good boy. Dogs are with us to briefly saying goodbye to them as inevitable but never easy that leaves the family with another german shepherd major who was kicked out of the white house for a month after reportedly biting a secret service agent and a national park service employ on the eve of father's day. The contrast between the two dogs one uncomplicated lee. Beloved the other a constant trouble put me in mind of the shakespearean tragedy at the heart of biden of the biden family. Joe son's beau and hunter. We've seen many side. Joe biden over the past half century and there is no more sympathetic side than that of the wounded grieving. Father it goes on here. Joe was a man of boundless ambition and self regard elected to the senate in his twenty s full of quick tongue irish blarney able to talk at length about tiring convinced that he could become president in his forties as the young voice of the baby. Boom generation blah blah blah going on and on and he goes talks about bowe and then he talks. Hunter was another story a drug addict or repeat peddler of influence on his dad's name a guy who used the n. Word it is natural for a father. Busy with his career indulgent of sons who have lost the rest of the family as toddlers. It's not hard to picture joe. Seeing that the family was in. Good hands with bo. Being all the more indulgent hunter or maybe. That's all armchair. Hogwash we all have known wise and uptight parents who did everything right and one more one more their kids just got away from them sometimes. There's nothing you can do. Sometimes you just got gotta put them down. Do you think that's like crank situation. Like he has one son also like like crank. Does every picture of him looks like it's a colorized deroga- type of someone from before world war. One where he's just like that uncanny looking and he's like some type of like bullshit conservative lawyer but then he has one son who got nearing and he doesn't speak to him his. There's an evil crank. He doesn't even like baseball. Yeah he hates baseball. He likes foot footy and so he goes on this Then the tragedy the firstborn son died bogata brain tumor. And as the brain tumor. That took my mother in one thousand nine years ago. There was no good news along the way he died. In the spring of two thousand fifteen burying a child is brutal. Doing it twice. As worth my dad buried tucson's much like biden one of them nineteen seventy-two one in two thousand ten. The second one broke him. My dad was in home by the time he was the age. Joe is now like baseball cranks. Like really turning it around. He's like oh. You don't think i can joke about family tragedy. We'll let me one up you. You just point theory your ass. Baseball crank is doing my favorite thing that people do when they argue online. Where they're like. Oh yeah you think my live ceesay will. My grandparents died. And they're like thirty. No yeah you're like seventy five. Of course your parents are dead. I'm in either baseball crank in an orphan. Now well yeah. But i mean. His brothers also died so he's got that going for that's got a little extra. It's true i mean like that's the thing it's like i don't really. I think it's sort of lame to moralize against the baseball crank but i just don't get it. It's like all. He had that article where he's bragging about his dad writing the letter to break in about apartheid baseball. Craig do you remember that. No what was that again. Remember his like he's like. My dad wrote a letter. My dad was in new york city. Cop wrote a letter to reagan about the situation and how veto sanctions or whatever. It's evident why is like a bad guy or at least like believes bad things. But i don't know i don't know what i think. This thing where people like met. You pointed it out how it's like equally lane to when people would get offended on behalf of the trump's lake h-honestly. It's like come on like remember when they were saying that barron might have seen the picture of kathy griffin holding trump's fake center at and that was you like do you like having to deal with that sanctimonious bullshit and the answer is. I really. don't like being on the other end of it. I love doing this. This is their favorite thing to do to to to pretend to be morally superior to their opponents. That's their favorite thing that they get frustrated when republicans do it because they think that they're cheating because they think they're not being honest because they know in their heart that they love doing that stuff and they're being disingenuous but they want to be doing this they love it. They love it way more than Doing jokes about someone. That's kind of uncomfortable getting to get offended about jokes. That's their fucking comfort zone. Yeah that's what they love doing. Better country if there is just like an agreement that all these people are like disgusting. And if i'm ya the eric out of eric adams nation. Let's just like i feel like if you reach a certain level of power like it's okay to make fun of They were intensely personal terms even dealing with family tragedy. Because it's just like look. He's president of the united states. You fucking mounted a spiral staircase made of human skulls to get where you are you. Have you have broken. Free of humanity in most respects turned into a reptile. Like how you treat. The rest of humanity within the limping cannibalistic disdain. Why the hell can't we do that to come on. I think it's funny. That crank has put this in terms of shakespearean tragedy and just be like actually being quite sympathetic to the biden family. Because i to acknowledge that it's hard to lose a child. Devin child die. I'm not made of stone here. people also. Yeah you're right i. Do you remember the baseball cranks. Dad was like a fucking hard nose new york city cop in the bronx. And he was like the dudley smith of the east coast. Yeah michael michael. Corleone shot his dad in the head italian restaurant. No i was gonna say. I like dad was really broken up when he had to kill. Shoot his friend. Frank serpico for school. No but yeah. Ee goes on to compare the biden family to kennedy's and talk about how like like the kennedys had two good sons that had to be put down and then they ended up with a ted. Who is the fat kid in the family. right here. Ted the fat kid in the family that valued looks in vigor. The one who got kicked out of harvard for cheating the one who destroyed his own white house and he killed the girl and covered it up even that did not mend his boozy womanizing ways for decades. It's still get a ding in on the kennedy family while he's going at the vitamins. I mean you can criticize kennedy. But he was the inspiration for the film. Tommy boy so craig goes onto right with no good son to inherit the biden legacy the black sheep of the family assumed unexpected prominence that nobody had planned or wanted joe unable to step back and bask in the glow of bose rise the way george h w bush did after nineteen ninety-two decided to run again himself in twenty twenty visibly well past. His prime hunter embarrassed him at every possible term. But joe would never turn on the only remaining son. The last remnant of the family he brought with him in hundred seventy two no matter what ethical compromises demanded no matter how many people warned him about one hundred was doing. We can blame joe biden for all the risk is willing to run and the things. He is willing to overlook order to let his son and brother. Jim cash with shady foreigners and for an approach to nepotism that makes it mockery of democratic crocodile tears about the trump's but that is all political fair game and it always is. We can't blame. Joe biden for having an unshakable devotion to his last remaining son or for the independent misbehavior of kid. Who is now fifty one years baseball. Great kind of spitting facts here not gonna watch. That is he is dead on here because it's like. Isn't that one of the most hilarious things about onto like it's it's equally lame like getting mad at crank is equally lane to like the fucking shit and people were like. I said the n. Word you don't like. How many times do you think donald trump said it like what the fuck but the funny thing is that hunter is a fifty one year old man who is saving beams about his dad saying the n. Word yep eric. Sending it to is lawyer. Yeah to his booking is poor fucking lawyer just sick of this shit and like that was that was always the thing where i thought that like biden was. He's the true king of whites like there are so many biden's in this country and very few trump's biden you know kissing his fifty two year old son on the lips. Way too long and being like you're my most handsome little guy you know. There are a lot of people who do that in this country. And that's really the funny thing about them. One of the many funny things about them Crank finishes out by reading. The tragedy of joe biden the years when he ought to be enjoying his retirement. Is that being a dad means. The family doesn't always work out the way you planned it sometimes. You can't retire when you wanted to the things you would do for your kids sometimes. Go beyond the things you might ever have done. Just for yourself. Joe joe biden would have done all of this. I also like i'm sorry. Joe's having the time of his life he is so happy. Did you see he was like him at the g. Seven is like it's like when you bring a dog to dog park. It was great for him. Saint patrick's day like oh god save patches dreaming about doing this stupid bullshit forever. He loves it. This is the happiest he's ever been well. I mean just I it's it's been too long since we've talked about crank. I mean he was such a especially important part about the early rise of chapo. And i'd like to see i'd like to see more of his little baseball face everywhere i miss. I do miss him a lot. I you know like. I guess like i don't know i guess we have two sons. We have two sons that we brought with us when we first came here. Unlike unlike the biden's we have Crank and we had raw. We have rod but we don't. We don't forget killer. Covy or other unofficially son. When was the last time we read after his ways. He's a dj. now he's awesome any more. Yeah we but yet rod and baseball crank just to giants and you know i it. Just crank is a hilarious dork in so many ways but i mean more nerdy all the fucking people getting angry at him for being like. Oh god how could you make fun of this dog and his son or whatever it just like. Okay i mean maybe if joe biden never ever talked about bo because he was like that grief is private but no he shares it every chance he gets. No yeah i mean like i mean i'm not. I'm not sitting on one in for that. Either people process grief in different ways. And he's a blubbery irish guy who doesn't drink so it's gotta come out somewhere. None of no one who is elected is really like you should never release the museum being really. Yeah there are a few very few jeremy. Corbin's out there who are genuinely beautiful beautiful people. But for the most part whether it's joe whether it's donald trump whether it's fucking chris coons or whoever that's not yet none of them are real people. None of these people like make the decisions or see the world the same way that like Nor even a normal weird person that you would know does their freaks. They're one of the ways to know that. Is that if you've ever seen a picture of a politician that they post on twitter to show them watching a sporting event across the anglosphere. You see someone like on a barstool three feet away from like a fucking portable television. These people do not sit and relax and enjoy things sporting events the way that you and i do. They don't relate to their time on earth the same way the way you remember like those disgusting pictures at scott walker would be posted. His horrifying him meals he'd be like watching the brewers with my sons. And he's just he's just standing straight up like this. He looks like a coat hanger and his polo shirt. And he's eating like he's eating like a perfectly room temperature brought at a hot beer this shitty kids at another their standard watching tactic for Western politicians is. It will be like instead of the tiny portable television that they're they're like staring into It's like like a big sort of a den tv style furnace basement room and it's like it's like an eighty inch television but they're standing right in front of it like bolt upright hands in. They're gonna love standing in front of large televisions to like just like they're so close at all they're seeing is just pixels move around. Yeah yeah and if they do sit. It's never in a chair that anyone would sit in to watch an entire sporting event. That's why america rejected mitt. Romney was because he was like he was openly that the last guy since h.w. Who openly that thing where it's like. Yeah my favorite game. Is this thing where we torture a horse and make it. Dance was hot dog favorite hotdog. My second favorite meat is hamburger and he also referred to sports sports as he sport cover for just sports as sports. That was the same interviewer. He's like i like jokes and things of humor yeah. I wish i could vote through auburn so moving on from the baseball crane on this week's official reading series which is a. It's a rare one because it's a tweet thread. That i thought was so wonderful that i think i think a lot of reason it warrants including in reading series cannon but Going back to beginning felix expansion like this is a certain style of weepy white european conservative version of buck breaking but the main threat of this this week threat to get into is being gay with your homeys. Yeah rather not. It's not a cure. I let me correct myself. It's not about being gay with your homies. It is about being perceived as being gay with your homeys when in actuality what you were doing is Cultivating a sense of intimate male partnership and friendship. That because of the acceptance of homosexuality is now coded as being gay whereas it used to be you could just like oil wrestle with your friends and loved them and write letters and poetry your best friend and each other's arms fighting the macedonians. Yeah exactly y- yeah just get gas together in a trench in world war one. Okay so this is a. This is a threat by peg. This is a peg o' bree peg. Aubrey peg was calling peg. He's guy's been around for awhile he's he's a. He lives in france. And like i said he's. He's a species of conservative. That i wish we had more of america which is of like these restoration is kind of promo types. That have been crying ever since the french revolution. But they've never toughened up in that way. Remind me a lot of the left is because like they left in america because they like they stay losing all the time and because of that. They haven't gotten smarter tougher. They've just gotten like wheat. Beer and weep here. Yeah i do like. I do have to say thread. It was like you know you look at the guys by look at. We're every everywhere he writes. It's like why can't that be tariq nasheed. He's doing this but better. he's better at it. So i mean like you said at the beginning of the show and i. I wasn't planning to like. I wasn't planning on your impromptu. Your review of breaking. You're right this whole thread is like the white guy version of breaking. Yes thing that gets shittier. But it's like the exact same thing that That that That animates the the buck breaking narrative. But let's go to peg here so the whole thing. That kicked off this mega tweet. Thread is the new yorker. Had some some post about The skeletons two hundred and fifty. Four warriors from this fearsome sacred band of thebes were discovered a mass grave in sharoni a- a number were buried with arms linked. If you look closely you can see that. Some were holding hands now For fans of antiquity in classical greek history. You'll the sacred band of thieves. Were pretty much. I mean this was written about by contemporary historians. As being i mean this is the whole sleight of hand. He's doing in this threat. Because i guess like you know they weren't gay in the sense that like modern gay people consider themselves get but they loved fucking each other. We'll do love fucking men like exclusively the at your average like ancient warrior equity elite forces. They were exactly like jok from seeking derangement. We'll you had a really good point that like in in the past before this wretched modern era that we all live in. If you were a gay guy like the can do join the military if any country real like like one hundred percent like just a pussy destroyer you can go into theater. You an actor. Yup that's the thing is like one who is one of the greatest military leaders of all time frederick. Degrade frederick frederick do create was gayer than any modern man. Like he was if he saw a woman he would be like. Oh talking gross fucking shit out of here fuck you wanna look at that fucking gash. Get her out of here. Fuck in the throw up give me some dudes and very tough guy like brilliant commander but that was more of the norm for like great military commanders and like the not even you go even to world war two like was it eisenhower. Who is like. I think i'm going to leave my wife and having get married. He tried to the middle in the middle of the war. He said his fucking resignation. To marshall said i'm in love with my jeep driver and i'm getting divorced that i'm going to reside and he just said it's fucking world war you get cancer. It's not like sometimes even if they're not queenie like pat macarthur. Patent pauvres is outfit city designed for himself pat pat and wanted to have a custom-made tank commander outfit that he designed himself with like also social relationships created the theatrical aesthetic that then was legitimized into being an open gay identity if he thinks his awful but that was yeah before it was really an option. It's like going into the military and you'd go in front of like all these fucking poor conscripts. You can't read in front of you and be like places everybody come on like me theater guy and you. You're still tough but yeah if you're like pussy it's like yeah. I'm going to put on a wig and become gilbert and sullivan. Did you see dilbert and sullivan. Not really interested gilbert and sullivan. But i would see a dilbert and sullivan comic opera. I there is an amazing thing. Buck breaking where like one of the experts is like he is talking about this like he is is way better grasp on history than pay and use like a soldiers in greek antiquity. But then he like fucks up. He's like and they would actually ty them together at the ankle if they loved each other and then he goes i think using the story of achilles and patrol yes with yes he does and then he goes and that's where the phrase tied together at the ankle comes from. You know it's us. I've never heard in my life time. euro times. Yeah but i mean his thing he starts with is right that a lot of these guys were. Whoa what is still rolling over is like homosexuality or just like the act itself of l. Social of almost all of human civilization in almost every human civilization. It's just like what peg is complaining about is a lot of these guys like rod dreher to like. I'm taking like the civic brand conservative. That is really obsessed with Being afraid of gay culture and now trans issues like they really want to go back to an old older way of being gay before gay identity was a thing that could be ignored. They thought it was a better superior way to gay. Then the modern version and i think that's what troubles in the because it doesn't mean it doesn't it doesn't involve alien nation from like a culture that you have some sort of fixation. I like for guys like rod and peg. They're looking. They're looking at gay sex like longingly across this cultural divide. But they can't cross it because doing gay sex now means being gay that alienates them from a sense of themselves that they find very very crucial and they resent that that they resent. That's been taken from them. And the thing is they're right. That is the thing that we don't have any more like. You can't be like a guy like a like a normal square. John type with a wife and kids who nonetheless is primarily primarily romantically interested in sexually interested in liaisons with members of the same sex. Like that doesn't mean you're a gay guy you're a straight guy who happens to have sex with men that does suck. I mean that should be enough that kind of conflict within you. That sucks and why you might get pissed especially if you really hold onto like notions of traditional society you feel you feel like those give you a sense of meaning like old religious notions give you a sense of identity. You don't wanna trade them for the like the pleasures of of gay liberation but man. Wouldn't it be nice if you could. Fault is it. It's this culture that he is totally otherwise hates. So why wouldn't you want to blame that g do you. But do you think like paker arrived would have the ability to be like. They are not modern pianos fixation on that old way is is a. It's it's fake it is it is it is itself a costume. Yeah no the thing they want. They couldn't handle either because they are like us like. We all are modern creatures. We are creatures of the world that we live in and their whole project is doomed because imagines that they can turn back into different people regressive -ly and you can't the only way out is through so i mean so peg has a lot of thoughts on this and like he kicks off this threat by saying on top of being a stupid lie the ret conning of ancient male friendship as homosexuality has damaging implications today so right off the bat. He's claiming that the sacred band feeds. Were just good friends with each other. That is the fundamental like. I guess it later posts. He backs away from a little bit. Because he gets into that distinction between gay axe and guide entity. But that i post really does seem to be denying the well established historic fact. Look at any greece and earn each other. There's in a giant daisy chain for christ's sake mo- most grecian urns if you go to the mat or any like established collection of of the art of antiquity. Half of them just have shit. Looks like palmas twitter. Feed all right so Getting into this red Pay continues says it seems harder and harder to deny the normalization of homosexuality has killed intimate male friendships. I like bronze age. Mattis's in on this. Okay if you're taking bronze age mantis okay. I reverted the bronze age now. They're to the fucking insects. He enjoyed the bronze age mantis. Spin on this that the powers that be made strong male bonding impossible because it's too politically dangerous. Small bands of men bound together and do or die. Friendships can destroy a regime. I mean i think. I think chapa trap house is good. chuckled trap house in the nine. Eleven hijackers are good examples of this phenomenon. I also agree with bronze age mantis on this point The homeys having fun dude having fun is is dangerous and it seems increasingly to in our society if you have to ask cui bono. Who benefits if you're three men. It's like one of you is an eisenhower. One of us patent and one of us marshal which one guy has been all right. Get it together guys. He goes okay. He's getting some attention here and he goes okay. This threat has gotten lots of attention. So ha you have no friends funny. Inventive arrest this. Iran relationships in ancient greece were not at all the same thing we are told today is gay identity and yes i believe. The normalization of homosexuality has had a chilling effect on certain forms of male bonding. Many other things have played into the current situation from anglo puritanism to the erosion of male only spaces but that to the very fact that past. Nil friendships like montaigne. A today read is a gate. Some people as evidence of this have a nice day. God dammit i will die on the hill. So he's he's he's going to die. On this hill he goes further to. But i mean. I don't know i like this takes on the flavor of another sort of another species argument where people are just complaining about that. No one has friends any more. But they're only talking about themselves. The main problem here is that his argument stems on the idea that the dastardly elites normalized thomas sexuality so that straight dudes would be too insecure to be friends with one another because the whole argument is premised not The there any direct attempt to interfere with male friendships. It's well the the males themselves. The straight males are going to be so afraid of appearing. Gay that they won't be able to be intimate with one. Another i mean isn't the opposite true though because i mean like i mean just from casual observation. Wouldn't it seem that like the normalization of homosexuality to use pegues phrase has led to it being much more okay to like emotion and vulnerable as a man who's Heterosexual or to display. No but only manning is i think what he means is that you have to acknowledge it like you have to do a no homo thing. You have to make a joke of it which means you can't be truly intimate in relationships. You have to keep you have to keep all male relationships. Iran is to prevent against the encroaching anxiety about being gay and like what he's complaining about is It's not some dastardly fucking mechanism of power. It's the fact that all fucking friendships are less potent than they used to be. All human connection is less potent than it used to be. All of our relationships are are thinner. And more tenuous than they used to be because our relationships are been dissolved in the fucking acid vat of capitalism to the point where we cannot believe in anything beyond ourselves where we cannot operate in the world without having an entirely self-focused motivation because otherwise we will be grounded fucking pace. We've all been turned into. The homo economic libertarian. Psychos said we always were and that means we. We cannot if we literally cannot afford to have relationships that obligate us beyond our self interest. And we all know that and means our relationships are thinner. And that's nothing to do with the type and it certainly doesn't have anything to do with liberalization of sexual mores. It has to do with the fact that no one can. No one can sacrifice realistically and also that emotion has been totally coded female in the modern era. Yeah i mean like it's if your goal was to you know. Dissolve mel friendships or make them thinner and weaker ironic The most roundabout way. You can do that is by case sex. I guess but the easiest the easier way you can do that. If you control capital control everything make it so that the line between work and not work is blurred. Make it so that none of you. None of your moments are really for you. But you're told to really only think about yourself to really only focus on yourself your success. Your personal interest as a your personal feelings is the only true thing in the world that seems like it would work better for dissolving melt friendships and everyone's friendships and it has like. I don't agree. I don't disagree with the idea that like there are fewer friendships and people are lonelier than they had been a while. I completely agree with that. But it's i mean we're talking about this when there is a conservative thing where it's like they point out a problem or they point out a They point out like a historical facet. Where you're like. Oh okay yeah. No that's true and then it's like and it's because of people are afraid that people will think they're like well. Well what the fuck are we talking about the same thing here. I mean the thing is like okay. People will think you're gay the whole point. Now that is that's okay right. So the thing stopping you is is An internal insecurity. Yeah this is. It's a perfect example of. I mean really doing very modern thing of taking a broad social problem like loneliness and lack of friends and then putting your own extremely fucked up weird personal thing on it where it's like. Well my you know my reason and therefore everyone's reason is that if people think we're gay i'm just imagining like Like herman melville's letters to hawthorn. He's pouring his heart out and at the end of it he just postscript no homo but year he goes. The point isn't that no greeks didn't engage in homosexual conduct duh but to say some greeks up but to save some greeks they were lovers and leave it as that implying that they had a gay identity in our senses other simply is simply either ignorance or ally and all scholarship backs this view. I feel like i said it all becomes this thinking about gay identity and it's just like nobody thought of themselves as like no thought of themselves in like the i mean shit. Fukui made. This point is history sexuality like nobody thought of themselves as having a sex life until the modern era until like until time had been segmented by productions areas of your life became discreet things that forgotten identity right so like if you had gay sex which plenty of people were doing throughout history. Didn't necessarily make you gay. It was just a thing you did even if it was like kept quiet or whatever but like i mean. So he's like is it is it's not about the sex act itself it's not about homosexuality but it's about Just it's about it's about. It's about the sex acts forming an identity that is a then political category. That is then a sort of a a group that needs to be advocated on behalf of or certain disparities in law and society need to be redressed on behalf of that group. But like it's really. I mean with with all these guys it really is just about saudi. Mean like that's really what they're thinking about. Or i mean like what is more like what's more threatening here is it. Is it the active sodomy. Or is it the what he calls the social acceptance of. Well i presume. It's probably like his argument. Is the social acceptance. Yeah it's the social acceptance that that's what that's what gives it the that's what gives the social Breathing room to us a a culture like a public persona that can be associated or public set of behaviors and attitudes that can be associated with the act. Yeah well this is so insane though. Because it's like okay if your argument is like this problem exists because of acceptance of homosexuality as its own concept and gayness as like a lifestyle is or an identity rather base isn't really going back in the two right. How what is your plan to like. Get people to forget option. What are you gonna do like none of these sort of like you know integral s or whatever you want to call them. Monarchists or return to tradition types. I mean none of them. Were like ever very explicit about how they would get that toothpaste back in the two because they know if they stated it outright most people would regard it as you know thoroughly monstrous. I honestly think that their plan is they. Fingers crossed that they survive the apocalypse them. They're buddies can all like dua. Fucking society of creative anachronism rewriting of the earth. Like good like we we could. We could take this The bricks out of this walmart and turn them into a castle. Keep and start having tournaments. I mean again. I got to favorably. Compare buck breaking one of the Thesis is but breaking That they say at the start of the movie is that the default state for a lot of white people is just homosexuality. Amazing thing to say but it's again this is way more interested in this. Yeah yeah no awesome movie. I've been like what would peg agree with that statement or no no no. He wouldn't because he believes in order to talking about saying this kind of very intimate flowery pseudo. Erotic connection between men of the past is superior to that of today. But that's not right. That's the argument. Like with buck. Breaking the argument is like no. That's gay like even if you there. They had no concept of gayness back. Then that's still. They're still gays. I see them today whereas pay is going. No it's not gay. They didn't invent that until nineteen fifty. One i mean he's going on here he says on the link between normalization homosexuality and the decay of male friendships perhaps the perhaps the best way to go about. This is through pop culture since it's both a mirror to society to society and amuse john. Woo's a better tomorrow. The dramatic not of the story is the conflicts between friendship family loyalty and honor to establish the friendship of the two main characters. The opening scene shows engaging in horseplay wrestling etc. At one point champions fats character tries to shove a piece of food in his mouth. You would never have those scenes in western movie today. Why you know why it would look gay. Asian cinema is an interesting point of comparison since it's so often concerned with those classical themes of friendship and culture and it comes from a contemporary society. Where homosexuality is or was very tabu contrast red-letter media's review of the j.j. Abrams star trek movie where he various points out that the movies need to establish that all the male characters have a case of the not gays. The point is that subliminally but inevitably normalization of homosexuality has added a question. Mark to countless male interactions. This axes a subtle but nonetheless. Real break on male intimacy that rosetta stone of american culture friends the intense meal friendship of the series joey and chandler and the show never stops getting left from creating an a. Is it gay subtext. Whenever joey and chandler move for a hug there's an awkward pause followed by a laugh track which works precisely because the show and the audience having inevitably the same split-second. Is it gay moment every time. Joey and chandler an intense emotional moment. They suddenly feel the need to do something manly with that intense. Male bonding a little bit. Gay laugh track. It's funny he brings up a john lewis movie. The killer is another movie that has very homoerotic themes very homework. I don't know like but the question is like From moby dick or huck finn on these think of major theme and like american literature like even not american literature is like The friendship scene two men like it's you know i wish my hell and quickly or or or or you know huck and jim and it's like a much has been written about this but the question is like for peg is he saying those authors like herman melville for instance was unaware of the the subtext. Here that this was an accident or it's only read as gay through a modern lens. That's the case. Yeah that's moronic the literary trope for like maybe hundreds of years was like the idea that this is tragic. Because it's not even an option to fully consummate this and to fully like for these dumez like live their life as romantic partners. That's not even forbid and it's like you can't even do that. That's not available in any sense. And i. i don't know ted's deal is but like i read this into a lot of rods. Work on the subject well. Is it like now that we live in a modern era in which being gay isn't identity and you can inform a family nba openly gay and fully integrated member of our society and indeed a very successful one that option being available whereas in the past it wasn't i mean i think there's a certain sense of like a loss of the free zone created by the tabu of it also a sense of the loss of like i've wasted my life because like if i could have just been doing this all along. Maybe you would've well. Yeah i mean the the characters. Avera i mean not literally the same thing you know. Why do i think air kills themselves at the end of this. Storyline miserable. He i don't think he kills himself because he's like. Oh broke my moral code. Time to kill myself. He kills himself because he realizes he can break his code and that he that that way he can adhere to a grander sense of morality. And then he goes. Oh my god wasted my life. How many years did i devote to this code. I could have done this forty years ago. And i wouldn't have waste my life. I would have lived. My life is an actual moral guy. Okay i have to kill myself. Hot stove i mean. How many people do you know that like live a life. they don't really like but won't deviate from it because that fear of trying it a different way whether they're thirty or forty or fifty or sixty that the moment it works which some mobile they know it will. they'll go Oh my god. I wasted my entire fucking life. That's the fear that keeps a lot of people where they are and the other interesting thread to this peg. Threat is that. He's writing from a european sensibility. And what. He's talking about the this kind of the smirking winking sense about all like you can't be too emotional or physical with another male friend or else you have this kind of this no homo moment in. Like he's harkening back to like mean he goes on to talk about salmon. Frodo lord of the rings or british guys who are writing sonnets to each other before they got ripped apart by turkish machine guns or whatever but the thing is like that that old sense of masculinity that he's harkening back to this intense men love this platonic male love and dedication to one another and really like deep sense of intimacy has never really liked chick. Taken root in america is like a frontier culture like america's codes and masculinity are very different than european ones. I feel like you don't make out when you meet somebody for example that is a funny thing in the. He has something in the thread. where he's like. This guy he knows is is doing some deal with like aramco i think saudi aramco and european lawyer comes in and kisses him. And he's like you can only do that in europe talking. And i think the difference comes down to the fact that we're the frontier country where the where the country of individuals and isolated stoic like lawrence called us and that means that intimacy has always been less than america and that now and because of that we capitalism became enthroned headquartered there and then made things even less fucking communal unless intimate and more individualistic and yeah particularly for like a male displays of a vulnerability or emotion always been more circumspect in american culture. You had to be like you had to be the strong silent type you know how out on the frontier or whatever He goes on. He writes here I used to blame anglo protestant puritanism and i still do but obviously normalization of homosexuality plays a role. A lot of things that used to be natural between men are less so maybe you think this is just because people need to become even more accepting of homosexuality. One wonders how that could even be possible. Maybe it doesn't affect you good good for you. You're very special. But don't gaslight me this isn't real three then he goes three lord of the rings if you know anything about lord. The rings token tolkien when sam. I love that that tweet right. There is like a perfect tweet for me. Because just i don't know maybe because i i am affected by today's ironic distancing between masculinity and feelings. Or whatever i mean to me. It's funny that he's lamenting the normalization of homosexuality but he's an adult man talking about. Don't gaslight me an adult. don't gaslight me here's what happens to my story figures frodo and sam. I mean i it. As as we're reading through this babble the thing i think about is like all the close male friendships that i know that i see and you know what make no mistake. A lot of them are between people who if not necessarily rich do get to escape a lot of the rowdiness and collapsed and fled existence that most people with Who are totally reliant. On office jobs or manual labor service jobs are subject to its people who like are able to go have a supplemental or primary income from like internet entertainment thing and i i think i don't think there's a total across the board correlation but it is notable that people who aren't as subject to the flattening effects of our current reality Are able to have these very deep male friendships but of course also for most and also just like this is only really a problem to the extent to like okay so homosexuality has been normalized in our culture. I mean y you know what his prescription is turning the clock back on that who folk note but now that that's the case and like like you said if you're a straight man and you're being affectionate with another man there's always this tension like publicly of like. Oh well something. I'm gay or not. That's a why it's only a problem to the extent that you let it into your head to begin with you can do whatever you want. I mean you can write sonnets. Your home is wrestle with them. Sacrifice for them love them. I mean if someone snickers at it and you and you you feel like you're back is up against the wall. I mean that's your problem. Maybe you're not as close. Maybe you're not as close friends as you fucking thought you were i think. If if if some anonymous snicker is all it takes you like what he's saying is is. That is that the effect of this scheme by the elites is to overtime disincentivize it among all men. So yeah this is essentially your fault but hey this most guys are going to feel that way and so guys are going to tend to be less intimate with on another even though it is just in their own head it is still the it is part of this this this evil strategy of like demobilizing masculinity away from what specifically. He doesn't say all he says. His homes are threats too ill to power. How and why like what that means. He has no. That's the extent to which he sets up this entire theory. That will you know if guys were friendly. More friendly with each other they would Maybe overthrow the government. Well how exactly that's supposed to happen. And and like defining that as like the load bearing element of of any kind of revolutionary movement is. It's all just picking through the whole broken pottery of history just to find the one thing to justify your weird hangup. Yeah i mean. I mean like i do think like very generally like genuine friendships and genuine connection are like you know. Sometimes they can be of great used any political movement our social movement. I think they're i think they're just important as a facet of life but Also i mean guys during the british empire wrote fuck in poems to each other. They didn't really destroy create evil of the empire good right. It was the british empire and the capitalist system that they unleashed that gave us all of this. Yeah like the system that even in these guys wanna go back to before that your only chance of doing that is building a fucking a medieval times on the wreckage because we are not those people anymore at a fundamental level. I mean if you wanna point to like the real thing that normalized homosexuality as a lifestyle and an identity separate from the act it was fucking advertising. It was it was the commercial instincts to take the desire to have gay sex and turn it into a market and then identities formed around those markets like. That's how all identities get four market because it reflects it reflects a group of people with a lot of disposable income and you know and as such capital and power in our in our society and so if once again you're not find you find the culprit and it's not your scheming Judeo masonic hall. Which is the european catholic traditional explanation for what happened but the good old fucking profit motive so you have to pull the machine out of this thing. That's pulling away each other and turning us more and more into just fucking graphics but you can't turn the clock back on the identities that have been formed. We are those people now at to put an to repress is two fatally alienate huge chunks of the population from any communal project. A non capitalist government would have to be also another thing. I would really like guys like this to happen. I think we should have to excavate a lot more clearly. What exactly they think is wrong with being gay or homosexual acts themselves. Because i mean if you go down further in the post he just says well i'm a. I'm a conservative christian and i think that they're you know. Human beings are naturally ordered to certain behaviors and unnatural quote unnatural. Behaviors makes us you know Sad and miserable. And that's why they're prescribed by god or whatever but like i mean if if these acts are so unnatural how come. They're so common in all of history and human civilization. Seems like one of the most natural things for people to do right but once again as a as a occasional indulgence or as a parallel structure. Not as a thing that is validated by getting an organ transplant is pretty unnatural to. But you're gonna turn it down if you need a new kidney. This always breaks down. Because that's why they always have to end up arguing about things either very very thin metaphysical arguments like it. Somehow it reduces the strength of straight relationships or the idea that it it literally spreads through recruitment. And you have to make an argument. That has somehow undermines Conventional relationships like straight relationships and and every argument to do that is is very Very the previous classical model. Like i mean. It didn't exactly uphold Heterosexual relationships. I mean that was the standard but it was very clear. That like your your your wife or husband was just like assigned to you. That was that was your function society. Your actual romantic and creative and imaginative flights of fantasy and trysts just like creativity. Come from outside the the marriage and family unit well the highest loved. You could have her have for another person would be someone of your own sex whether that was sexualize. They're not is is is another question. I mean sometimes it was. Sometimes it wasn't but it wasn't like guys who love their wife didn't exist until about nine hundred eighty five. I mean it is a relatively modern moment but even more moment even more so than the fact that romantic love between men and women is is a relatively recent innovation of the early modern era renaissance. And stuff. The other thing. These guys are fantasizing about conventional relationships. The nuclear family is a complete product of not of fucking like modern capitalism. That is that is absolutely modern artifacts like those social relationships are as tied into capitalism and as tied into every godless move. March away from the sacred that these guys have been bemoaning seventeen eighty-nine as homosexual identity. It is as much modern A social artifact and so they want one they wanna keep one that they have They have turned eternal and elevated. And they wanna get rid of another. Because they're not they're operating just from a a sense of what they're horrified by what they finish that is entirely generated by their specific array of fucking repressions psychological. like pathologies not any of clear eyed analysis of like the state of the political economy up extra point opponent made about like the for the sort of split between europe and america as it regards masculinity i mean i think the only thing that's going on here is like he's bemoaning the fact that a lot of these things that were traditionally regarded as being normal and masculine are now coated in our modern context. Which let's be honest. Only means an american context because like we create culture for the world like we we. We set the standard. Everyone else are coded. Now is being fruity. And i think that these guys are upset like their natural setting which is soft and a little bit theatrical is coded as being kind of being swish now. They want to go back to a time. When like like that was you. Could you know like there was. There was no difference between being a cowboy and being a montaigne. a poet who writes the three musketeers. Were like the bushes. Dudes on earth were cravat. S- and and long ringlets incented scented handkerchiefs. Fucking sleeve callers. Well i'm not going to be like the whole thing. He goes on for a long time. When this threat as you might imagine but he says why will i die on this hill. I'm going to do something. incredibly stupid. And actually exposed some vulnerability to the pack of hyenas on this whole site. I mean again you know. This is not traditionally masculine behavior to me. That's because i'm in an american context. And i'm in a modern context that men talking about la- health site and normal world. Being gas by popular culture is not something. I stereotypically associated with heterosexual men. But perhaps in a more classical context that wouldn't be the case so Pay continues here. He writes Ha you have no friends loser. Well not only do. I have friends but not all of them are internet. A non so there but k. Through twelve. I was three years younger than everyone else in my class. So that made making friends difficult and yes. I was bullied but thankfully unlike libs who act out trauma by trying to recreate their bullying. At the level of politics. I grew out of my loser. Nerd passed in the immortal it. By in the immortal words great justice brad kavanagh lifting weights drinking beer and hanging out in any case typically. And whatever you're was in. I had one friend and so i invested in this friendship with a lot of meaning and intensity and since i was a nerd i was yes inspired by some of the great friendships of classical literature. Including yes the iliad. Some writers speculated about the achilles petroleos relationship but homer himself never says her implies anything not projected by the reader. But also the great stories of the knights of the chancellor's the guests and others. When i eventually found out that some of those scholars asserted those relationships are gays were gay. I felt like an incredible violation. I knew it had to be false. Because i knew that the way they described those relationships describe my relationships and i knew they were gay. It's intrinsically debasing to suggest that someone's friendship is really based on some other motive. Whatever it is and just to be clear on describing experiences that happened before puberty so please no talk of sublimated or repressed homosexual attraction. I grew up in a household where sex was openly discussed. So i was aware of homosexuality concept but it. I had about as much relevance to me personally as the rings of neptune. The point is that. I know what it's like to experience this kind of pure intense mill friendship and i know that it's different from sexual or romantic interests. And i know that. I know that it is the same thing as the great classical friendships. It's just it's just incredibly destructive for the discourse to point out these examples and go wink. Wink nudge nudge. Shayna more on top of ignorant and stupid of course. Hey look i'm a christian conservative. I believe that human beings are naturally ordered towards certain kinds of relationships that engaging in homosexual conduct is intrinsically unhealthy and that society should encourage it today. Some people find this. You not only shocking but fundamentally unfathomable incomprehensible that's fine i find the contemporary. Live your truth. Ethos of the self creating rootless domestic individual both laughably absurd and horribly crude anyway the. I'm not crying airline since you pity of the replies has confirmed for me that we need more critiques of the consequences of normalization of homosexuality. Thank you for attending my tedtalk. So there he goes It just i. I think he's just he doesn't wanna be called where i mean. I think he just doesn't want people making fun of him for his in today's society where very gay coded behavior you wants to be able to wear paper cape in public. That's it. I just written the thing about. Why why can men no longer. Why why are young. Men no longer dressed in velvet coup. Lots and stockings. The way they were in the victorian era that that's why aren't we dressing boys as girls until they're eight. Yeah that that. All the time in victorian society wasn't able to be a little bit publicly fabulous without self consciousness. That's it. I think he wants to be like a little bit flamboyant and i don't mean this in gateway not i'm not saying that he's a closet case or whatever i just think like maybe maybe it is a tragedy that people have this internal sensor in their head if they're heterosexual about being a little allergic to sweat like they shouldn't allergic to feel that they should take all the money out of the thirty five program and have a completely ceremonial branch of the military. That's like the cavalry or you can do this and like have a silk pistol holder and all that like that would be positive. I wanna go back to a real man A good eric adams thing the best concert. You've ever been to curtis mayfield at wingate concert series. At that concert there was a rain storm and the lights fell in curtis mayfield and they actually paralyzed him at that concert. He died a few years ago but risen amazing concert before that happened. Just so unfortunate concert you ever saw when that was rained out. And we're curtis curtis mayfield. Paralyze falling late fueled. Curtis may feel if someone that's literally paralyzed for life after that like literally. How was the play other than that. Mrs lincoln but he responded like my favorite live music experience rolling stone set and ultimate. They also asked about Israel because he's going to be new york's mayor and how he's going to advocate for it and he said i visited israel twice. I'm going back again. And i'm going to try to find a plot of land so it can be my retirement place i love. He's only the dance everything about israel. Okay ask him. we're areas. You plan on retiring. He says in the golan heights area. He's going to be mayor. Sorry like he's going to win tomorrow. I'm sorry vote for him. But like that's like you know you know what. He didn't even think that before he was like. Oh fuck israel. i'm gonna retire. Golan heights number one controversy. That has dogged. Eric adams in this mayo racist the fact that he lives in new jersey. And then he's just like yeah. I'm gonna move to go on heights. Yeah i'm gonna buy property there and moved there. He's gonna be as settler like he's raising. I would love to see how. How how. Warm the warm embrace that. Eric adams and his family receive among fellow israeli. So it's still love. It'll be great. They'll be so nice to him. I he's. He'll give him so many vegan pizza meals that he can enjoy what he's like. I mean i don't want him to win but it's like he's he's such a completely like fucked up person that it's like he. Yeah kinda think. He is going to use the biden of the race. In every respect. I mean if if our national politics holds the former the local level. I mean eric has got this sewn up. I mean to say it yeah. My favorite concert was when curtis mayfield got paralyzed before he got paralyzed. Of course like what a great interview i mean. Yeah no i don't like his policies but just he has the right personality to be yelled at all the time that you know. He does because they asked him about how he's feeling about. Being up in the polls he said not happy not sad. The man with the waxwings flew just enough not too close to the sun not too close to the water steady. That's the opposite of what happened on all. I think he's imagining like he probably heard that story. And then you thought. Well if i if i was i would have just said exactly the right altitude. The wax wouldn't melt up. I know again like he sucks pretty much everyone else. Running for mayor sucks The job is just to take the orders of the cops real estate. What what else do i thank. I mean i wish i could. For debunk loro. For third honestly s. They should do the the bloomberg thing for him. Another term sorry finally having fun after eight fucking years because he realized the thing that every new york mayor should know going in. You will never get another fucking position. You will never win another election after you new york city mayor and you should just accept that and then have fun with it. Look dibango beat. The trump virus no ends or buds. Any beat it for the entire east coast. Dibango is my mayor. There'll be statues of him so now he's a guy who's like not really gonna get appreciated but by history history will redeem him. I will be dibango history. Well that does it for. Today's episode guys asked not who the baseball cranks were. Really by curious. I am the very model of a modern major general information. Vegetable animal and mineral. I know the kings of england dakota vital over merrin waterloo. in order categorical. I am very well acquainted with mattis mathematical equations simple and radical about root theorem. I am teaming with a lot of news with medical about had plotted new deal. I am very good at integral and differential calculus. 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Big Suey: Some of the Smoke

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

45:07 min | 2 months ago

Big Suey: Some of the Smoke

"Welcome to the big city. A podcast exclusive off chemo. Thought the show could not be. More diluted gangsta mail no more free disney tricks now. Here's the marching band. Nowhere or mateen fact faces spa. It's been stress eating and habitual liars. You got scanty trusted the big go upon radio life for me. That hit that he had on was kind of a dirty hit because the tampa bay lightning player was like searching for his stick and then a shotgun to the chest in the form of radcow the butcher. I want this team to make a run for different reasons than you guys. Not just because like championship-chasing sports team even students in a sport like hockey that maybe you think has been totally dormant and dead down here in south florida for a quarter century. There is nothing cooler than when a championship sports team in sports brings a community together with a bunch of bandwagon. People who say oh look. I might not have cared about this before. But now i've got some expertise i care i've got opinions. We were robbed last night and then that grows over the playoffs and the games are more and more exciting and you get scared at the end of all of these games. Nothing more terrifying. I'm telling you then hockey at the end when a game is tied and just you can have your heart broken so quickly every time. The puck's in front of your net. So the idea that we can follow this sports team with some passion and fall in love with some dudes the mythology of the butcher like we don't. When's the last time we had around here. Somebody that we can embrace because of the mythology. We've done it for donald don has across twenty years. What happened who you picking yager. Yeah we did that. Terms of building someone up to this Mythological creature yeah. He came in with some of that. So that's maybe like a different thing but someone that's not that good like every championship. Team has like their enforcer type. That's never gonna make the hall of fame's got no in. Yeah that something like that. A fan favorite and asking him. Yeah well no not really suck up the lights. S- alfredo amezaga. that's more messy. Yeah that's more in line with it. A role player that really excites a fan base that everyone. Oh but i'm not talking about a fan favorite jokes by being the cute adorable guy that everyone root for as an underdog. I'm talking about the specifics of somebody who has a mythology of menace in sports. Like we're always for twenty years on espn. I've been doing like dark alley teams in basketball. I don't know if you guys have seen anything that was happening overnight with kwami brown and the thing that's happening it's uproariously funny. Parts of it are sad. But matt barnes and stephen jackson the two them have street credibility in that sport. They are the some of the guys that are not to be trifled with kobe. Bryant people still wonder today if matt barnes if kobe bryant was actually so brave that he could just be that close to an inbounds pass from matt where matt barnes is trying to get him to flinch by throwing. The basketball right is facing kobe. Bryant is just staring at him but these two guys have a certain reputation with gilbert arenas they clown kwame brown who has been quiet as everyone is laughed at him for fifteen years. I've never heard kwami brown speak period. Never mind speak the way. He is now speaking where he is. Trashing guys reputed to be among the baddest in the league and trashing them in a way that so deeply personal that it's like oh my god what are you doing. You're going after one of those guys you saw in one of the cool things to gotcha if you watch. The donald has lem video because of the reputation. You donnas has you saw dwight howard you always hear me say you could park a bicycle on that dude shoulders. You saw dwight howard in the face of that shrink on move wanted. Nothing done as he didn't want that in his face and you just don't see that very often in like a hyper masculine place where everyone's banging bodies they're all giants every room. They walk into their the biggest dudes. That's not in basketball and they're going back and forth at it and the test of masculinity you saw dwight howard shrink in front of it from a smaller guy. A guy who was looking up to point at him. What did you make of the quami brown thing after a mean gave you the context yesterday that made me deeply sad high school kid. No infrastructure gets into the league doesn't know how to do anything doesn't know how to clean his clothes doesn't know how to do. Dry cleaning is lost. And then his idol michael jordan buries him in just a heap of asshole that gets filed under tougher. It's funny because the worst thing that happened to kwami bram was. He was drafted number. One by michael jordan. It seems odd but when you look back that was the worst thing because it's set the bar so high for a guy that probably we should not have been setting the bar so high for and so it's interesting but he has every right. Danny played twelve years in the nba and so people are still talking about him. They're mocking him. They're making fun of him. He has every right to be upset but his rebuttal needs to be a little bit better and just does he needs to do a better job. There's a lot to unpack in his rebuttal and will do so in a second but to give you some of the back story here. Because the reason i'm giving you the back story is i have rarely heard an athlete. Do what kwami brown is doing here after lifetime of not doing this and it's a man fed up it's enough is enough. I'm done being your joke. I've got nothing left to lose. And so i'm to go at you guys so personally that it's going to be unlike anything you've heard and i'm gonna do it against the guys known for reputations of menace. Even fun of they're very popular up in smoke. Podcasts that is very popular at least because we know who these guys are they will say anything in their men who are feared throughout the league. So kwami brown. What what did it mean call him. Yesterday karl malone light diet. Diet karl malone. There's a little bit of country here. I don't even know the sound. We're gonna play for you. There was some in a car where he is singing to matt. Barnes about the idea that derek fisher stole his wife and family like he's going on him so personally and all they did was mentioned his name and he's done with people mentioned his name and laughing and he goes on a meandering route through the idea in this country. The way it is right now. You black guys are going to go after me. The black guy on something like this and tear me down with the way. This country is an. You've never heard something quite like this from an athlete. And it's an athlete who's got nothing left to lose give it arenas as the worst thing for he act like he liked black folks him stephen jackson all of and that little matt bond deadly shit you did they put a battery inject back that little tapping and all that little girl. She i used to like you. But now see you want know confuse. The lives kid was never dark enough to hang with the black. So you had to act like a jackass to prove used tough and you would never wide enough to be with the whites so you just angry. Look this shit you say. His always aggressive is stupid. You don't know how to respect a man in his. I never said nothing to you. All about you so to go that far and tap and do all that little girl. She was wrong with you. Who raised you to take food out another man my but gilbert arenas back to this fake slimeball in so this is why put like him in place right. This is why all of them will talk about me but never invite me today. Parkhead is the second third tiny talking about me on all the smoke. How do you want all the smoke. You ain't never invited you talking about. Seemed like he won't somebody that down. Smoke change your podcast. This new podcast is won't someone who got him and jack you'll see today as you know that all we talk so damn loud. He goes after them personally. That's just like that's just the start of it. It gets much worse in their sexism in there and most of us here not qualified at all in any way to talk about light skin versus dark skin. But it's it's lower on the list of the stuff here that's private personal and insulting. He talked about unity. A black man died but then when somebody alive only she like little jet me you even on the same level. I know you you pay for women. I know very well buy bags. And all that shit i know you. I know a lot of you will feminine males so you need to quitting with me. Don't don't ever speak on my name in that man. When i don't talk about you don't speak on me. Point blank pugh. That's man shit from the goat is basketball. Shit that we was in this fraternity is supposed to be that you. Thanks both begin. Podcast to talk like an act like the rest of the the end of fraternity. The as you talk about dass which all wanna let out for these kids to see ain't no in the nba a bus compared to everybody else. Eight a s audit levels when you get to that level but put some respect on people. When i was listening to the whole rant and i was riveted by it i kept wincing at the back and forth of. That's wrong morally wrong way. He saying that what he's doing the sexism in it the the the hate in it and also there were points where i'm like. Oh that's right that's right. It's really hard to do. What kwami brown did which is climbed to the top of that sport and be on the lowest rung but make millions and millions of dollars in that sport. He is top five percent in the world of having been able to do that. Thing can be both where you're wincing and agreeing with him at the same time. But he says they want to put that out there to the kids. Well he just put that out there. There's ugly in but what you don't often see though. Is this undestood honesty without a car. It's laugh out loud funny when he says you haven't invited me on this podcast where you keep making fun of me so some of the smoke you guys don't and but it's the guys he's going after going back to the mythology and the butcher and the fun of that. The the specifics of i'm watching this and it's just like watching you. Don this and dwight howard. I'm watching it. And i'm like well. Nothing's going to happen to me. But why am i winning the way i did when you don this david west like i'm in my room. It's it's the same way when to leave is out there snatching chains. I'm like why wait a minute. Why am i backing away from my television. Nothing's going to happen to me here. And it's all just reputation of these people and he's going after the guys and he's he's saying it right. There's stephen jackson says take the do rag off your head. Pull your pants up. Be a grown man. He hits he just starts smearing them. He is laughing at the idea through sexism and all of the problematic language. He used their of idea of matt barnes publicly. You don't even hear it. Their matt barnes publicly charging into his own house because derek fisher quote unquote raising his kids. You know t treating the women like property. Which is the starting point on. Some of the problematic stuff with matt barnes. But matt barnes has a reputation of. He'll go get wherever the fight is. He'll go get what he wants. And kwami brown is saying. No i'm here for both of these guys and he's dope arenas he just flatly called white guy by way of insult. Yeah we have some sound on on on kwami actually talking about because he's become a punch line and he's been so quiet throughout all this and he's burst onto the scene and it's like all of a sudden how how did the bullies like being bullied because bully culture has repercussions now. He's turned into a bully himself. Which is in great. Had all. But i can absolutely get with on the notion that everyone's laughing at him twitter avatars laughing at him. You know my story. You don't know what i've climbed to compared to you. I am not a bust in public like you. Try to make me look like i'm rob colin. Big cry you craziest man. I've been in worse situation. Got our homes. My dad left me on the train. Track you talk about what a train was gonna come. He said you must sign. You ain't scared of hi. My daddy was a real about a definition. So i'll let sensitive shit our care about on that you were say i call him say ou. Don't be the bow. Oh the truth of afraid of five down. This is dead base. Chance came off a injury goal. Look at where my arm is covered with a black sleep all. I'm trying to talk to my point guard not this effeminate male. My point guard say look. The basket is bigger when you get a layer he listening to this sheet about. My hands are so small that he won't though the loud by the rent the whole town. Quicken the quickest feet you'd ever done seen the whole time. I'm getting the room. He won't do it up here. Doa bounce pass or he'll dribble it out. He was shooting. He'd i'm getting a double double cuarto de saying small hands dublin. Two quarters iago fact. Checking there is so much sound. That is not the best of it. I'm not kidding. You when i tell you like the three clips we played are not the best of the sound. When it comes to how pro- how personally he goes after. All of these guys to what mike was saying. I think we can all find a place where we wall. We would support kwame brown if he would just deliver his message of different ways. You know we're watching a guy that we don't actually care about and talking about humanity and hurt because we're like oh look what the laughter's done to him. I'm interested in what he's got to say because he's unhinged because this man out of control this is charlie sheen. I've got to get to the train wreck. So i can see the consequences of everything we've done to him because he's done he's done on carrying about anything. He's been quiet for so long. That's all the resentment gurgling fourth in his car. Smoking a hookah saying bleep. All of you for laughing at me across decades like i made millions of dollars doing this and now these two guys are coming after me from the sport coming after when they know how hard it is to be a professional the three guys they know how hard it is to get up here and you make me this week. Groveling sniffling punchline. All all this time. And now. I'm not here for it anymore. Greg your thoughts well. It's it's brutal honesty. Which i love. I mean it's twenty years of escalating frustration on his part. All of a sudden coming fourth in you rarely see that you rarely hear that especially from guys who've spent their lives being called a draft bust their usually quiet in the corners. They're usually not talking. And you also rarely hear the athlete on athlete. Crime where you have one athlete talking about another athlete. Let alone a former teammate. In this manner but my fear is that why we should be siding with quality broncos. Because he's right we're not some people are not going to hear what it is. Quality brad driving says they're focused on the on windows gouami brown. I'm you start on my fear. That's what my focus is my fear. I'm watching this. I'm like oh don't do that. Don't quote me. Don't do that. And then i'm thinking to myself wait a minute. Do matt barnes. And stephen jackson really only want some of the spoke because i thought they wanted all the smoke and is that podcast available. Because i would love to. I would like to do some. I loved the idea of some of the smoke. And just sometimes. Billy just walks away from the spots because like the smoke i left apparently podcast opposite that one the opposite of street credibility which is i never i say things about the astros but then if you get me bregman kiss his ass entire interview. You told party thank you. Let's take a minute for our friends over draftkings. I love them. I lived there. My mail is sent to draft gangs. It's playoff time big stakes bigger promotions. It's time to hammer the over at score some cash. Oh do i love cash draftkings. Sportsbook is giving you a chance. Lower the over-under on a featured playoff game all players who place a bet on the featured basketball game. We'll have a hand in lowering the over under on the game. How about that for every fifteen hundred players who bet the over on the select game the over under drop by one point. 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Call eight hundred gambler or in indiana one eight hundred nine with it. That was a long way to go to get to south florida enforcers. I can't talk enough about this story. I wanna get guests to talk about this story because this is going to. It's going to be escalating all of this stuff happening with kwami brown. Because it's not like matt barnes and stephen jackson going to sit that out now it's not like gilbert arenas coming back it's going all escalate but circling back around to where it is that we started on this. How many enforcers has south florida had ever one of the reasons that you don is has is so beloved by this. Is the idea of when wayne. Wade gotthard fouled. He got a game ball for being suspended for. Just taking out tyler. Hanbro which was the most cartoonish. Funny thing. tyler hands borough. We were always saying he looks like somebody who shows up at basketball with a wrestling singlet. He's great at paintball and rolls around. He just looks funny for an nba guy who all try hard to all. Try hard but not a lot of grace clumsiness. We enjoyed you. Don has part of his story being enforced or on behalf of the team. How many have we had in south florida. That have a mythology. Do we have you guys. Think of a lot of guys off the top of your head. Yeah i mean. I can think of too often pat with paul laws and peter royal. I mean on the same team. I mean those who enforces a premium. Famous in this This market do we have enforces. I guess we do with you. D but does football really. because it's so violent. Heaven enforcer was daryl gardener and enforcer he was terrifying the him to bones were terrifying bullets. Some of the ryan cox was one of those agitators in the nfl. Since everyone's an alpha male you just have like people that get under opposing fan base skin james harrison. Staying out is like an alpha male amongst alpha males. That's a rare breed. And who the second guy for the heat if behind you. These zo is a pj brown. I'm trying to think who would be. Vj's pretty good those pretty good feared guys. Anthony mason would've been high on the list for just guys that other guys ended up fearing more than zo. Because although one of those moments i would say is that. And they've changed these fights so very much. I was trying to explain this to valerie last night. All the history of it who stephen jackson was. I'm showing her the malice at the palace and going back through time. And those heat games. When it was larry johnson and alonzo mourning these giant men fighting in a way that made jeff van gundy hang from alonzo mourning's ankles and when i tell you the size of these men. I want you to understand that at some point in some of this jamal. Mashburn explained one time that he was on the side of the court sorta arab sorry on his side on the court and looking at legs as they were all entangled and alonzo mourning. He said it looked like there was a horse. Something with the cavs of a horse in the middle of that fights you got giant human beings fighting and jeff van gundy is holding onto the leg of alonzo mourning. I missed that time in basketball. I is it wrong for me to miss that time That was a great time mash. Zo i'm wondering did valerie. Also laugh when jamaal tinsley came out with a broom dustpan. Guess it's not. This is a. Has anyone seen a good documentary at thirty for thirty documentary on the malices. The palace has has a toll. And we've been told that that's always been talked about but the nba's partnership with espn sometimes complicates that stuff. Is that right. So that's what's happened. God i remember that just so so well it was. It's as strange as anything. I've ever seen in broadcasting where the night before when it happens. The broadcast team was absolutely disgusted with the fans and then the next morning when it got disney defied. The whole language around. That conversation was more horrified. Because they're like. Hey steven jackson and someone who looks like stephen jackson can't be in the stands punching costumers and and the whole the whole of the immediate reaction the broadcast. I mean i remember steven a smith. I'm watching and i'm like how did this change this specifically in twelve hours where they had one language the night before and somebody hit a button from the top of the organization. Hey our partnership disney. We're not gonna have tattoos and corn cornrows punching the fans and having all our broadcasters say. Yeah it's the fault of the customer. They deserved it because they threw a beer. They never should have thrown a beer. At ron test john saunders. Who's normally even keeled went off on that broadcast. He called the fans. Punks was awesome to see ashley. Yeah but then it got less honest the mixed or morning next twelve hours. Everything got a whole lot. Less honest. And i'd love to see an honest documentary of jamaal tinsley just talking about his time. Running out on the court of the dustpan just ensley just that moment documentary on everybody's short. I mean everything. Kinsley was thinking to himself as he said. I'm going to run out from under the bleachers with a stick and a dust pan and who wants. I'd watch that's dan. Turns documentaries of these showtime documentary about run. Our test has exclusive footage of the mouse at the palestinians. Not as such been a documentary. Just about that. But the run. Our test doc on showtime had had some of that and to just close this loop on john saunders. Here's that time billy ray. Cyrus joined show the news untimely passing. I think More what i wasn't ready was the news that you just broke about john. Saunders a huge fan actually A big fan of your show and to lab your father and i wish you guys would invite me down from. I love your dad's so much. I watched the show all the You guys always entertain me. I laugh. I get involved and again i love your dad but John saunders. I have to tell you i i. It's interesting i see i'm an emotional person. that's what i write songs about. That's right my music. That's how i write for the show. Still the king are right from heart and quite frankly. I was so excited. I'm sitting here in the studio. And i've seen your name coming up and i'm like man. I love this guy. I love the show. I listened to you on the radio the tv. Show when you're with your dad. And all the time when you said john solders heartfelt to the floor and now quite frankly i can't even i can't even move to the other stuff. Because i love john fibers billy ray. Let's do this okay. 'cause already made this clunky and auburn enough. Let's reschedule with this. And let's let i do wanna talk to you. Let's talk another time. Let's talk later this week or when we don't have this in the middle of our conversation is at our i. Can we do that. What you do is you. Just keep what i just said and And that's i think we just did the interview not i forgot. Sure i'll come back anytime. I'll i'll put up with you guys any tom. Please keep my tribute to john there. You go billy ray side. Did we get what you wanted to. Law enforcers no. But we did get what we wanted in terms of that sound. Because you heard. Billy ray cyrus say keep just keep what i just said as a tribute and you should have seen the fight with espn. I kicked a lawyer in order to get us that sound because he said yes. He said an attorney would have left. Espn in november. Yes if we're not for single piece litigation. He demanded the demand. Did he said you. Keep the sound as a tribute. And i'm like they didn't understand it. Espn i'm like i need this. I promise. Billy ray cyrus thomas and we pose it was john saunders dying wish i wrote a personal relationship with john saunders here and i get to keep this part of how this is remembered. There is like a tinge of talladega nights there with mike honcho because he just keeps hammering. I just want you to know that. I love jon saunders. In they're kind of like. I spread my budget's parts of my gun show several times over a charming endearing. Southern accents the other part of that. I don't think he has any relationship which men at all. I saw garcia. I thought that was totally fake. All hell of a tribute you think he has any idea that john saunders canadian no no shot zero the pardon might take guys like to celebrate football guys people who are football guys. Whether it's mike zimmer and it's sort of a nod to the caveman leadership of bite my arm off. And i will beat you to death with my remaining arm style of football and i just don't believe in the history of the sport there has been anybody who embraces. Thors this caveman. I will tackle you at the supermarket and fight you for no reason other than i wanna bite your knees angle ankles. Then dan campbell man campbell. I can't believe this is worked again. Though we saw what happened we lived down here in miami. This guy talks a great game. It has master coat but in the age of space age offense. This guy is still trying to out tough you. And so he told the pardon my take guys that he wants to and has dreamt the bringing a lion the practice and that he probably lose an arm because of it but that he still wants to do it. I keep thinking to myself while. I want this style of coaching to laugh at and enjoy for the content business. I don't want it leading my team at a time of football evolution. But i need to start but i need to stop patrick mahomes and this guy wants to do it by biting the ankles tighter. He only drafted tackles. I want him to win and win. Big i do. I want dan campbell school running the football playing defense. Drafting only offense lineman. I want him to down. The packers. talk is wayne an interview into again fooling ownership group with. I can out tough. You win this sport right. that's fantastic. I i have the visual image of him getting his wish with this lion. And the lion malls jared goff. It's just not going to be a pretty that would be very lions. Shit always works with owners. You kidding me. Rich guys and make an investment on the team in the problem is the little guy not trying hard enough so you need someone to make them tougher. Because it wasn't your decisions that led them to this terrible run of decades on end for detroit. It's the fact that you haven't had the right guy in place to make your decisions become good decisions from bad to good just with little toughness. I think the lions are trying to find the opposite of matt patricia. Who was supposed to be like defensive guru rocket scientists so they just went full one eighty and decided dan campbell. He's gonna bite kneecaps line practice. He's our guy. I'm going to ask it again and i hate to ask it because i love the cartoon characters. There's nothing that delights me more in the building of content than a guy who's willing to be unrelentingly himself. But i will ask the question again. How did this work again win. Another one of these interviews a flag where he goes in right shirtless. And i'm going to out man. Everybody though i'm going to be standing on the sidelines and what you need from me is math and for down situation. I'm going to give you toughness when you need. Math question is how is this. The first time it's worked because he was only an interim coach before he's had plenty of interviews. I mean how. How is the outlier detroit. This guy's thoroughly impressive. If i'm an owner and i have no idea about xs and os like myron this guy. Detroit is probably the shittiest. Nfl franchise though they're even worse than your browns. Mike not probably over. One woman is probably. I don't know if you saw the playoff wild-card bronco because the shit out of ben rothlisberger in the steelers are the point. That ben rothlisberger cried continued in. God i don't have a rebuttal for that other than i hate you our just slinging milquet greatest want to take another shot my daughter. The lions are the undisputably across sports. The biggest failure over the last fifty years one playoff victory in fifty years i mean sacramento doesn't make the playoffs in basketball for fourteen years. You're talking about a rain. That has no precedent of incompetence that is the signature failure franchise coming from the ford tough. It's coming it's coming from ford tough. The auto industry what detroit used to be. What just got hired in detroit is a guy who comes off the factory line and eats bolt. But it's not twenty twenty one. I i root for it to succeed. That's not what's happening in that sport right now. Where basically the drop back. Passer is is being replaced by by cheetahs at quarterback but to justice point you had matt patricia come in with his pencils in his ears. And none of that stuff works so you go back to you. Know a caveman. And dan what. He does with pencils dan. He stabs people with what he does. You know he'll put a pencil in ear. Your eardrums with it. So mike is so right about this. They want to change of culture. And that's what that's what they always. Do you want to go from the guy who has a pencil behind his ear to the guy who will jab a his pencil behind your ear. Powerpoint slide number one. Four one fifty. That's our identity. Yeah slide number two is just your dad. Your possessive slide number. Three just seem from player. Number four is absolutely schwarzenegger. Carl weathers shaking hands and in the middle the lombardi trophy just burst through the door without opening and somebody asked. Well why don't you just because this is the more efficient route doors. We run through walls. He didn't actually say anything. There was a pencil on the table. He ate it just to see everyone's reaction just like the movies puts his one left hand on the table and then just stabs. It depends the pencil into the right hand and stares isolate without even move. Is that patricia pencil. I'm hungry again again in in the age of leadership. Right as you have these guys running to the sidelines to get their corporate sponsored computer to see what exactly the defense was still. I'm asking you. How did this work again. This is not the way to make leadership decisions. The guy with the pencil he was week. Where's the tough guy. Somebody finding the guy who will do the press conference shirtless and say he wants to have a lion is because what difference does it make if you have only one arm as long as that one arm can still kick your ass. How is that working. I will ask you again. You can have that wanted running a franchise but it can't be the reason you're choosing. I need a culture change here. Just give me a meathead. I actually picked you guys all right. You didn't pick me. I was told we play in the same division as the bears. And i'm hoping it's actual bears jerks twice a year. This is the manly man. I just heard the the immersive manly men in general because we man campbell the source of the manly man in might've been just my constant Desire to replace hocken make you happy man one a one man one more schleyer manly man off was born out of You know just a desire in survival. Do we have any of that. All do i have man one one that away as well. I've got mad one on one. And i can probably a mainly men off if you'd like to be funny jess winds and i think we should do manly man off. How long has it been since we did. A manly man on plus eight to ten years man all right. Let me get some marijuana one though for you. Then how much do you miss man campbell greg. This you want and think what's going to happen in detroit with man campbell trying to out tough. Everybody and one of the things that has made me laugh about. It is through bill. Parcells in the dolphins drafting a whole lot of offensive linemen like this gets dumber and dumber in terms of your going to actively draft people who are tougher than the other guys. It's an act of stupidity and if you and if they're not tougher than the other guys they you man campbell are going to make them after whatever it is that they've had to overcome in order to get in your huddle that your going to make them tougher than they were. Because your man kam. Yeah it's sort of silly I i think you know the the template for me is mike tomlin. He's the tough guy coach. Who spent less fifteen years. Not smiling wants in. They're just you mentioned culture. Change every sad sack franchise starts with. We're going to change the culture around here. And the quickest way to do it sometimes is with toughness right. The smart drafting comes later. It starts with the attitude that the toughness and that's what they're going for. They got nothing to lose the lines on smart drafting though the toughness this thing down but you trust them on smart drafting. I mean i. I don't because they we've got no reason to trust them. Or the people running the franchise. But i don't think it's a terrible strategy to start with. We want a guy that's not a strategy is what i'm saying. It's not a strategy his attitude it's always greg strategy is what i'm saying. I'm going to go draft guys. Who you know where i'm going to win in the margins and a salary cap sport i'm gonna win in the margins by being tougher than you in the margins. I'm yeah i mean. I can't argue with that but it's a starting point. It's not it's just as dirt guy's got one bullet in his chain this useless. Listen sir we here at man wanna one. Don't believe in recycling unless you're talking about one cycle of steroids for records. Another cycle of siraj for lunch. 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Hour 3: Bust Or Not?

Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

45:05 min | 2 months ago

Hour 3: Bust Or Not?

"G sanjay willing to the podcast. Playing tournament begins tonight. Is we'll see who the bottom seeds are in the east pacers hornets. That's at six celtics wizards at nine both games you could here on. Espn radio and the winner of the celtics and wizards will get the seven seed and they will get the brooklyn nets in the first round and you know you see all the different takes about the nba and certainly about the celtics and how they have fallen ethic. There's just way too many podcasts out. There everybody's got an opinion about things it's done there takes and then there's times where those takes might go a little too far in fact might at least draw somebody to react and it's a story that we could not ignore in the world of the nba and that is kwami brown. Just firing back at those who were criticizing him about the bus label which he was number one. Pick as you remember. And it was the wizards who took him in two thousand. Three and michael jordan was in the front office at the time taking him. And so it's one and kwami brown is like that picture of what use the term bust in sports usually with a draft pick. It's generally pick that's the bust and we'll discuss all we can go. Yeah i know you already rolled your eyes on me. Because it's it's just this back and forth is is to me incredible because it started on the all the smoke podcast gilbert. Arenas join the guys. A matt. Barnes and steve jackson discussing gilbert and his days in washington and he said about round imagine being eighteen year. Old kid getting drafted number one by your idol. Your idols michael jordan. But we know michael jordan's personality imagine that personality going towards an eighteen year old kid just bullying him and he just. He took it from there saying that. That's really what affected kwami brown. The most and brown really took it extremely personal at one point arenas called brown a show pony which is incredibly disrespectful. So kwami went to instagram to fire back in it off. Not just stephen jackson and gilbert and and matt barnes but to also the media because of the bus label that he took so personal and told his story about a kid who made it from you know basically nothing and at least got to the league in really calling out just about everybody. I mean he called steven jackson. Fake called matt. Barnes becky with the good hair and said that arena took took millions from him but he also took a shot at some media including stephen a. About the idea of being a bust and that got us into a big debate back and forth about the bus label. And i'm gonna put it this way again on. The you know the big bad media guy here not blessed is not about the person bust is the pick. If you're the pick that just goes with you the pick was the bust. It was a bust of a pick and it was. It didn't pan out. it's the number one overall. Pick if you don't turn into a star it was a bust and so that's why it's called bust. It's not about the player. Agree or is the pick but as the guy is the bus to. I don't refer to team put pick goes with the player goes with the picton bust. End the pit goals. We say nobody says boston. Celtics what a bust. What about jordan. And his decision is fine. That's that's jordan. Has not about a franchise it all boston. Individual always go together and one of the things that bothers me about it. is that fans. Throw that word out there. So nonchalantly like okay. Oh i got a bus. I'm like all right. You calling him a bus. What are you what are you so is this something to put into perspective man. Get him jane. You get a chance to be part of point. Zero zero zero one percent of the world. I know players then reach their potential. I got hurt. I didn't reach my potential right. Kwami brown reach his potential. That doesn't mean that he's a boss. Though and i know what you're trying to say you're trying to say what what was the pick none. It doesn't work that way man because the casual fans has the pick and the person or the same like all you a bus. You didn't pan out. man you were blown. People have called him a no. No he's made the first pick in the draft. Whenever i know pan out potential wise people have called him a bomb. So just something for people to think about your calling him a bum. What kind of numbers you put in your league for you here about okay. What are you like when i hear. The word bus frowned up at zubin said bus. One time on the sean just talking people just say it he a bust and he's one of a handful a hand full few that has reached a pinnacle of a profession. That people have tried they. They spend hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars on little johnny's to try to make it to the level. That you not you but the media are calling somebody a bust. People spend hundreds of thousands to try to get their kids to get to that level in never works out in when guys like kwami brown or greg oden or or or players in the nfl key. John carter who goes down with an acl who never panned out doesn't mean him as a bus but the first thing injury does put the first thing people say like jay is the fan or the media won't label you a bust. A bus like pity. Yeah when you when you guys number one overall pick like what. Do you expect out of that individual. Rightness that is a number one number one pick but what if you drafted a team. That is desperate that need you the great back coaching. That don't understand how to utilize your skillset or or it. The game changes where all of a sudden. You don't fit the game because all of a sudden in basketball it turns into steph curry where everybody's shooting threes but they pick a big. That just doesn't help. T- can't help them because everything is down low twenty years ago. Look you had your. I'll get mine. This is like like. I said this to me is about the pick but when you start saying that you know a tiny minute percentage you get to be that pick. So he made it. That's where i gotta stop you because we because the rest of society that is a fan of the sport. We'll never know that right. We don't understand so it's only relatable to you have an opportunity and you did not turn it into something. But he did. What what did he turn into. Making twenty five million dollars. Maybe maybe not burn. Because they think he didn't do enough maybe he thinks that for himself. That's fine like i think my career like. Oh i could have done a lot more. That's fine but he's it's much different view. john carter. We don't call steel. May still smith is joining now because call. It has been talking about it. So i'm glad you did stephen a good morning. The jal set this up your human. Now allan allan i call to get on jay williams keyshawn johnson. Mom rob you know man. Forget forget kwame brown brothers retie it. Let that brother losing piece. I got nothing to say about him. Here's what i call up to address. You gotta understand as former athletes who are pretty damn. Good at what you guys. Did you have to understand that when the media is coming at it in terms of lavely somebody a boss or somebody underachieve etc etc keyshawn. You just brought up about the fans and media. Well guess what what we're doing is comparing folks so you to j two other to your contemporaries. We're not saying. Excuse me there a bus. They're useless in life. They can't do anything that no there is a standard that comes with the level that you guys reached an expectation that comes with it. That's why somebody's the number. One overall picks compared to the thirty first overall pick compared to the sixty fourth overall pick in basketball. That's why somebody's a first rounder. Compared to around four hundred fifty of people out there whether it's scouts player personnel people get others executives. Or what have you. They make decisions based on and they label whose elite who has a chance who does it. Who's ashore fire. Who's a awhile who have changed. And that determines the value that you have in your sport and those expectations are what people like myself allen of everything going to get that but room stances everything circumstances that everything man if you not if you're not in the right situation as i've said many times if bill parcells did come out of the sky in nineteen ninety-seven i wouldn't be working right now because my career could potentially win in a different direction with people like richie kotite coaching one. That is circumstance circumstance true. But no but that's true and you you'd have a point if someone was denying that no one's denying that but at the end of the day it comes down to the result. You're getting into the why which i respect but ultimately how many times have you seen say something and you said keyshawn or you said jay. Well they just don't know and my response would they. We have to we the results business. You can get into the nuances as to why something happened and you would have a point. 'cause you know better than folks in the media but ultimately when it comes down to what would the result because keystone as a player might say one thing. The coach might say the joe the general manager might say something else the owner might say something and then years later you come out with a book talking about how the media was right. But did you want go. Tell them at the time. The fact is is that in the end the only thing that we can lean on definitively when the funding the value of so body soaps. And you can't be in a results oriented business and they wanna mode about what the results revealed. How people like alan myself for other articulate. When you sign up for it knowing that you're gonna get measured by the resolve. Csi here's my only issue with that. And i get it. Because you and i talked basketball every damn day like urine drink lines right. Yeah but i think there's completion. What happens because people take the word bus and a bum. You have people on the street but all your bum you're bus like if you're talking about the nuances of it like that's what i'm talking about. I'm not con kwami bomb on or another bomb. I mean they may not panned out. But i think it's the way we phrase it because that allows other people to phrase it that way and that's where the problem with it. Does that make sense. But i think that makes total sense and you have a very valid point. But i'll give you an example as it pertains to kwami brown years ago. Myself greg acidy campbell aglow and john saw does the late great. John saunders was on nba. Shoot around so greg gas and he says well he's got small hands he can't catch the ball can't hold onto the ball can't do this or that legless said well he's got you know quick feet but in the same time his movement is questionable and stuff like that and that's a result because of that the other really know how to post play and all this other stuff and then they came to me and i said he can't shake it was based on their analysis. So what i'm saying. Is that budget something down and total sense but then there's also have to be a billion to that it and that's what you get people the things that they say not. That's right and i get your point but the here we have to come from somebody. And you can't just contextualized everything providing a period period at the end. And that's what the media was stephen a. It's okay for you to say that somebody can't play. I'm i'm the first person to say that do play. But i'm not saying he's a bust. See the difference is somebody can't play because it's at the pro level maybe peak. Maybe they're not good enough to play at the pro level like they did in college doesn't mean their bus they got there it just not working out for them. They're just a marquee. The boss comes from the fact. What was this status. When entered this level if you're the number and again i'm not talking. Forget kwame brown. I'm not talking about him over one. I'm just talking in general about the principal. If you're the number one overall pick gay comes with an expectation if you don't come close to meeting those expectations literally what jonah arguing about. Is somebody saying. They didn't meet expectations. As opposed to say barabas really. Maybe i just don't like the word bus. Maybe conduct my thing. Maybe the connotation you were buses just a stain and i don't. I don't like to refer to people as bus. You think when guys make it to the pros they work their ass off in. They got there and it didn't work is eighteen. He he he was very early in his life. But but you're use the word. Sorry all the time well. I'm sorry it's critically maybe it's the worst. But what do we do. Basketball is one sport. Which is why. I always defend kevin durant going on and going after people on social media because what is the one. What is the biggest part of the culture trash-talking how we talk about each other. How we talk about players we watch players and we see a guy. This guy is good or if this guy sorry like you would say. He's a bomb. Those are words that are just used in the scores in the lexicon of the sport a personal attack we say in this game. It's not just that his. Think that here's what i would ask jay and key to appreciate number. One overall. Pick keyshawn johnson number two overall pick jay williams. You took that spot for somebody. You earned it. You deserved it. What what you did came at the expense of somebody else and that position has been monetize. The number one pick gets more then number two pick at least initially number to get paid gets what at at least initially. It's been not at top and there's a value attached to that that's real words like busted stuff like that because they're not talking about the person's talent you're talking about how they were value and what that valued costs somebody and whether or not they lived up to it or not all the more when you also talk about. What did he have around him. He had doug collins. A coach was was. What's on sale was around that organization. Yeah they had. I mean gilbert got out of pieces look even. We don't even have to go. we don't go. we don't even have to go to kwame brown row. I'm just talking overall in general when kisha fj individuals with incredible credentials to talk about these things. All i'm trying to say is let's be real about what it is people value and when that value doesn't measure up to snuff. It costs somebody. In some cases it cost people their jobs. You have people like myself and others who believed that matinee should have been on a hot he the long run pace with the chicago because not only did they move up in the draft to dr mitchell trubisky. They passed onto shawn watson and patrick mahomes to do so now mentioned to into anything. Won't anybody he's worked on. He tried but just what he ate those brothers but he was picked several slots ahead of them. And it's a cargo bay had to go through just to get their hands on just to feel in order for us to forget who the hell they drafted place a. That's attached to the whole and we still forget the world of what. I hear you though by wonder with matt nagy warren college. I wonder how do because we didn't call john calipari but bust when john calipari didn't pan out. Nba like we didn't call it. There are a lot of examples of guys who got up to league. Maybe he didn't do it properly. They may go back out of success. But we're not saying their boss called the failure of the nba level. What accurate is the bus. Nfl coach was he was every. Send out about comedy when he was at the nights jay. You know that. Well stephen a. You you you. You like. Saint joan bomb. Stephen hatton media. They can't they can't handle it when we have control the narrative actually fun to watch fun to watch them squirm. And by the way. Stephen a feel about this key pointed at me twice today when we talk about the media i mean pointed at me aggressively like put on your big boy pants and handle. It comes with the job that coming anyway. Jedrzej come at me all the time. I don't give a damn. I do sir safe driving. Show join our nice driving after yard. That's a trying to explain it. I'm glad he jumped into explain to you. Probably to defend himself. Certainly really didn't explain it to me. I don't like the word mitchell trubisky bust. No no no didn't work out did it. That's on your number one pick. But who was that on. Is it on everybody. Ryan pay matt nagy mitch. Trubisky is on the players around him. There's no bill laser like who is it. I'm just never calling the player bus. If you're if you're not going to call another player a bus if you understand what they're getting there you don't understand. My definition of bus is the pick was a bus was by unless we learned to part of it. It was if you bought stock in a company and you lost money on it. That stock was a bus company. Was we've that with any other with any other line of business like the line of business. You draft someone to come work for you. I mean no other. You hire people but that's hired different. You're drafting someone. You're selecting someone. This is higher. Drafting is higher. It's a higher you're saying. Hey here's the more valuable. I'm hiring you this hiring same damn thing no. It's not because. I'm not waiting for another company. I don't have to wait for another company to make a decision. You first or then now i get the next train up. Companies bow like this all the time and his fans watching. How's it gonna start calling him riding on it out as a lawyer your bus. Why am i rooted for you. Why am i waiting for you. Watch a company and root for the company reporters hot with stock invested as much from places like cw post. There's recruiters that want you and your services to come work for their companies and right around that that's how you're telling me it's the same thing as drafting in seeing. There's no difference. I like you. Oh i didn't get you because you chose this job. Well i'll tell you what. I'll tell you what that if i was hired to a show and i sucked as the host say was a bust soy. Okay not good yeah. That's all i was and it never did. I mean that's the don't you think you wanna put it that way. That's how you put it. But in i shut that i didn't do well. I had to leave the show. That's it so all the people that didn't get there you know how many people didn't get their local radio all of your local radio and they're all looking at me going. You were a bus. Because if i had that opportunity. Does that mean that. They're bus because they didn't get the opportunity you got. Does that mean that their bus. Because they didn't didn't get picked didn't people didn't see their talent. What does that mean does off of it. You missing hair. Go right with gonna look at the a matching deal. The eyes of the work really well on radio to tv if somebody was doing radio who had the talent to do it at a national level or in a big market and is doing it at a lower level. Yes they are a bust talent at a higher level forever. Don't make me do this to you. Please don't chime in on this. Stay out of this year because we all know why you in the power to him. But that's not mean what i mean. We all get opportunities from our family members. I never thought that this would be that hot of a topic. But i mean my phone a lot of people. Text me about it. No no agreeing with me. They're they're your friends with you but it's also saying that so yes over for dinner conversation. Asian essay called into because stephen a he had keyshawn jay. We'll zubin presented by progressive insurance. You join us on the goodyear hotline. If it was a bullet wouldn't award number two pick. It addressed this conversation. Espn eight seven nine. Three seven hundred seventy six. I imagine call the roulette a really interesting today. One team that has been an absolute bust all season long. There you go being a bull. So will they come up bust in the nba playing. That's coming up next. jay z. Espn radio and the espn app. Let's just forwarded ready go. This is key sean. Jay zubin as province voice-over artist is here to explain bottomless. How do i get across free refills on fries and drinks. Well here goes bottomless at red. 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If you watch bradley beal play the other day you gotta. You gotta wonder a little bit. I mean he was gimpy. Fourth quarter thought scotty books that a great job staying with them. I mean it's one of his two horses. He had no choice. But i mean three minutes to go third quarter. I think they're down fifteen points and bradley. Looks like you can't make a shot. And they just take the game over in the fourth quarter. So if bradley beal were healthy. I would agree. I'm really anxious to see what version of bradley beal we're going to say because he let you go back this strange you look at all the match ups to three game matchups that the teams played in the regular season. I mean you've got guys missing from different matchups injuries because it trades this. You know thais didn't play marcus. Smart is played games. Marcus smart to the three Bradley average forty one a game. He just torched them In the regular season but that was a different bradley beal. And i think that's going to be a huge factor. It's also i think the beauty of this j. We'll remember for sure it's one in done. This is like a seven game or in the old days. A fifth game of the playoffs teams are not used to play in that winner. Go home we're gonna see that in nine ten and we're going to see it the second version on thursday and friday With the seven and eight. Pj been friends for a long time. Every time i watch coach you coach a passion. You coach your energy. I'm not saying that is not happening in boston. But can you tell me like. Why do we watch his team. Play hard who does that fall on their straight. I you know. I couldn't pick him. I mean what they've done the last three years. You know getting into finals year in and year out and you look at the roster this year particular. It's such a young roster You know i'm getting ready for this right in the ages down and i'm saying like tristen you got two guys tristen and camera the only to Even barely in their thirties. You got all these young guys. A couple of emerging you know going from all stars to all nba candidates and all year. Brad's been pulling his hair out. Brad stevens with this team wondering I think a lot of it had to do jay. I i know i'm giving them an excuse but i think a lot of them had to do with games miss this team. Every team was impacted by colville in and the schedule The schedule i think wreaked havoc with the lock with a lot of players and they just missed games I don't know what version i guarantee your bright doesn't know what versus the celtics are gonna show up but again That that's the beauty of the playoffs. I mean most years when we used to get we always say. April may june this year at june. you know may june july. I don't you don't know what's going to happen Three games teams played in the regular season against each other was nice. It meant there were no tiebreakers but you look at any of these. Three game series. There were so many players and injured and covert protocol. I think we've got some great match ups that i think people genuinely don't know what to expect which to me. You know. i think maybe we get around or two. Okay here's somebody clearly. Playing well lakers perfect example. What what team are we going to see their. Everybody's saying well the today get around the two hundred m in and running back playing the way they're capable of playing wait a minute. I mean i don't know if you're going to get to that brooklyn brooklyn. The three guys are going to be there when you play this. Few games together as they've played you have to wonder You gotta be impressed with what they did We stayed nash. Underrated did a great job. Yeah i'd love to have that roster. But i'll tell you what it wasn't easy what they went through so i just think there's a lot of questions so we're gonna find out answers to in the first two weeks and then then i think it's going to settle in. It's not going to settle in for a little bit a little while and i think the first round. It's going to be very interesting. And i'm dying to see what happens in the playing coach. You mentioned youth when you talk about the boston celtics. This particular individual is not young anymore. How impressed have you been with with russell. Westbrook this year. I it's to the point. I was lucky enough to coach Russell as a rookie. Before i got four. I got myself fired in oklahoma city and and known him so long. I i honestly say i'm not surprised anymore. What he does it spectacular. And you look at the numbers i mean. Sometimes you know he'll he'll miss shots he'll you look at the stats. And he's like five for thirteen. And he's completely dominated the game Rebound he we used to say russell's the best rebounding gliding the league rebounding guard. He's one of the best rebounders in the league period. Averaged over eleven rebounds a game He takes such great care of his body. He impacts the game with the rebounding with his ability to get to the basket. You turn the game around the beginning of the fourth quarter even before bradley. Got a huge block. George call early in the fourth quarter that with with charlotte and then all of a sudden boom knocked down at three. I mean you shake your head when he when he takes it but he makes the play He got himself to the free throw line repeatedly he got them in trouble It's amazing the way he impacts the game but he's taking such good care of his body such a great pro in the way he competes that It's scary. i think. J will ask the question right in the beginning was out. I don't even know What washington team. We going to see What they've done. What scotty brooks team has done and that the run that they've put together is absurd. They have a better seventeen and six. They are in the last twenty three games. I mean everybody was you know burying them get rid of everybody. Get rid of the front office. Getting ready to the coaches. They've played better than anybody since last twenty three games of the year. And you gotta say. Obviously i russell and bradley incredible but they gotta do what a couple of games or we're not even gonna see in the play offs. Pj we're we got into a heated debate today about the word love. It and i'm curious you as a head coach in nba for a long time. A guy has coached basketball. In general have you referred to nba player as a bust. And what are your thoughts. A bust No i i don't think it's unfair word. I you know. I'm not. I'm certainly knock and say i never would have said it when i was when when i was coaching but to me You know you do what what you did what you did for a living and you make it to this level that i don't think there's there's such a thing But you know there's guys there's gm's and coaches that had people that their livelihoods depend on it and guys didn't guys didn't produce Busters busters a hard word. But there's there's a lot of a lot of people that didn't make it at this level I don't know what's what's a better word. What was what was the pointed garnishment or who won the argument j. I know you did we. Stephen smith called and i feel like we've lost some traction key and i held her ground coach. What it was. What it was was a media versus ex athletes debate over a simple word where i think the point i was trying to make. Was that boston isn't the person it's the pick. It's the decision. it's all of it. And the player gets the label mainly because he's the guy like he's he ends up being the one that was taken and it all stemmed from kwami brown firing back at a lot of people that continue to bring him up as one. The there's you guys did for a living you as a coach you sit wants to move. You got Interesting and you know if you have some coaches who also that. That's even a better perspective. But i mean to get to that level. it's opportunities. I mean how does so many guy in all of the professional sports that didn't work out at one place. I'm didn't workout it two or three places and then all of a sudden thrive somewhere else. you're not. You're not a bus in my opinion if you get to this level It's it's a tough word but it's also you know. It's a fair word for media. I don't like it at all from a player's standpoint loves my coaching standpoint. I'm copping out But i'm glad i wasn't there 'cause i always lose my arguments with stephen. So we'll won't be a buses tonight. We hope it will. Wizard celtics tonight. Espn radio pj. Carlesimo on the call and also on the goodyear hotline with us coach. Always good to talk to you. Thanks so much all right. Pj you you guys are great. Thank you appreciate it man or you're just talking have you ever seen. Pj kalisz coach. Oh yeah have you have you know but you have to face even even at katie has a fantasy camp even him in fratello together. A coach hall. I'm talking what they don't. Ching grown ass men who are like forty five touched line be losing and he's one of my all time but he doesn't. He doesn't avoid the coach. That don't have a voice you know about them but think about too when he was in seattle k. d. as a rookie and then Jeff green they had on there so long ago i didn't realize is seattle seattle on it. He and jeff green less sonics left in the in the league. Can we get seattle about. Nba play tournaments on espn radio tune in tonight as the pacers host. 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He's currently on the injured list. But if you look at the longevity if you look at the resume that he's put together an mvp sees and other years in which he was on the top five an mvp voting he's going to have a compelling hall of fame case he's played his entire career in cincinnati. Who was a part of this franchise. Turn around in two thousand ten The reds have other players who currently are better. i don't think they have a brighter star. I don't think they have anybody who's more recognizable around the country. Then joey votto At number two. I will go with university of cincinnati football coach. Luke fickle Luke fickle over. His last three seasons has gone thirty one in six. He took a program that had Quickly descended when tommy tober was the head coach and he's taken it back to where it was back in the late two thousands. They played in the peach bowl this year. They won a conference championship. They have a chance to have maybe four guys who could taken in the first two rounds of the nfl draft in two thousand and twenty two. This is university of cincinnati football. We're not talking about a traditional national power. And i think there are a pretty good bet to start the season in the top ten. And if they can win on the road at indiana and at notre dame this year they could maybe be the first group of five school to crack the college football playoff He is universally beloved here. He's recruited cincinnati really. Well he's in ohio guy. He's energized the fan base and he's won an exceptional amount of games and then number one. I think it's pretty clear. It's joe burrow and look joe's star still rising. He hasn't played a full season. But everything we've seen from this guy Suggests he's gonna be a star. You got better week in and week out last year. In the ten games that he played in he's embraced being bengal. i think he's added a degree of swaggering confidence to a team. And a and a fan base that is sorely needed. It and for the first time in a while i think you can envision the cincinnati bengals maybe one day not simply winning a playoff game which we've all been thirsting for for thirty years but perhaps maybe eventually actually competing for something like i don't know championship That seems within reach and perhaps not in the short term but as good as he's been as good as he is And i just think with the way. He's embraced being the franchise. Guy for a franchise that has sorely lacking identity for so often in. Its history in joe. Burrow's the biggest star here in cincinnati. He's just getting started. You would think that especially also being in ohio son that means so much to that market. What the fa what are the fans. What's this the the feeling coming out of the draft with the decision. What do you go with tackle. do you go with a receiver. Obviously they go receiver and somebody. He knows very well. Well i participated in your mock draft. And then i i spent the day getting laughed at by the likes of mike tannenbaum so i. I enjoyed that but You know look. It was a compelling conversation that we had for for about two months leading up to the draft. You take the tackle or do you take a receiver. Jomar chased you go peninsula march chase and and i i. I think what they've done is they've chosen to protect joe burrow by giving him a weapon that he's familiar with and by giving him a guy who's gonna get separation add that to a class of wide receivers that they have that i think they feel like is going to allow joe burrow to protect themselves. I think there's cautious optimism among fans with what they've done in the draft and look clearly clearly could have made a case that they should've taken an offensive lineman in the first round. All you have to do is go back to the image of joe burrow being carted off against washington last year That said you know. Look there's the joe burrow endorsement. There is the fact that the jomar chasing and joe played with each other and lsu. There's a degree of familiarity and let's face it There's gonna be a surge of optimism. joe burrow's healthy no matter who they have blocking in front of him no matter. Who's playing defense. No matter who he's throwing to the good news is all signs are pointing to him being ready to go week one. Wow thanks very much ready to go week. One for joe burrow's number one in the market again market madness all the number ones we will put as we go through all sixteen of the market that we were gonna use go into a bracket and you the viewer you the listener within votes. Who's number one joe. Burrow's got a shot to go pretty deep tournament like that in new york. We had jake to grow. I mean again nationally. I didn't make the list nashville. Club doesn't have to wait for the table. That's still. That's the same macho on there well. He look fickle has done a great job at cincinnati football. Joey votto he's been there. He's beloved. He's beloved there as well. I found it interesting that he said that joe burrow that he had he endorsed the pick for tomorrow's would that make him a diva involving and making that man alone. Cvs to locker. No but that's what we're saying. All these quarterbacks wanna be involved with ron woolfe said they want to be involved in decision-making they wanna say he called that being dethroned with having a say. If you're to start having thursday esco boroughs absolutely you. Just labeled joe burrow divas s after one year in the league. Trevor lawrence is a diva Just feels diva trae. Lances a diva mack. Jones is a diva all of. Did you see the jets quarterback. He's a diva okay. But he was involved in the decision. Making those you find that to be. He decided to tell everybody he was working. 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05/20/2021 - Hour 3 - The Warriors Will Be Contenders in 2022 + The Athletic's Marcus Thompson

The Odd Couple with Chris Broussard & Rob Parker

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05/20/2021 - Hour 3 - The Warriors Will Be Contenders in 2022 + The Athletic's Marcus Thompson

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Live from the fox sports radio studio and you can follow us on social media. I met chris. Underscore bruce hard on twitter. Chris bruce sixty eight hundred gram rob. Have you changed your handle yet. It should be wait a minute. We gotta alex was my new handle. Rob parker parker. You just ugly at sloan actually is rob parker f s one on both twitter and instagram nat. Of course was our freight kwame brown rod. I got ugly. I m not the most attractive guy. But i didn't know i was ugly. Wow attractive no comment. He said you agree with them. What it is on the radio for years at guantanamo did hugh rob you. You don't need to hear that we got our man. Marcus thompson of the ath- let coming at the next hour and we're going to have some fun here this hour. A lotta fun. But let's start rob. We talked lebron shot. You and i disagree. I just think this narrative that he's not clutch is just again. The biggest misperception one of the biggest misperceptions in all of the nba history. But i wanna ask you this just looking at that shot last night. The thirty four footer. He hit at the end of the game. Like fifty eight seconds left. I think and they go up. One zero three one hundred turns out to be the game winner. Do you think that shot was clutch or luck. Five the pick one at a two. I say luck only because it was a desperation shot with the shot clock and he just had to put it up. There's no thought to it. I just think it's just you just put it up. You know you not. I think when you have to think about it and like the ramifications if i miss it if it was a drawn out play chris where you know what i mean you came out of a time out and they figured it out and they were going to fake the ball. Somebody else in lebron wind up open. You know what i mean. They'll does with robert ory shots. You know what. I me where where. It's kind of like you know everybody else's guarded and get ready. We'll push it around the perimeter and it'll find robert ory and then he'll be one open even on his guy made shot stories. Were not all. But i'm just saying there was some i mean. I watched a couple of them. But i'm just saying i'm gonna i'm gonna lean on the side of lucky y- and to your point. Lebron hit those shots to orlando. That's out of a time out out. Is he ad time to think of the ramifications. They would have been down. Oh two in that series at home going to orlando. he's too big three chicago. Remember he told. David gimme the rock. Gimme iraq and he hits the corner three so I think it was more clutch. Obviously look if anyone not named steph curry or dame lillard if you hit a shot from thirty four feet is some luck involved. I just 'cause nobody makes them consistently from that distance. But i think it was more clutch if you look caddy. Squared his shoulders. It wasn't a heave. His form was true. Yeah he faded away phase away on a lot of his jumpers and one off the glass and bouncing all over the rim and dropping. It was pure and again to me. He's done it enough. Where i'm giving him the benefit of the doubt so i think it was a great clutch shot and look. It's so early. We'll see where this goes for the lakers but I do think it was more clutch than Luck but let. We've talked about the lakers. Rob and you know. I got him winning the west. I think you got the clippers win in the west but let's look at the warriors and of course they play tomorrow against memphis in the play in game if they win they got utah in the first round. If they lose They go home and his memphis utah. And i'm sure anyone not living in memphis i don't know about you. You probably actually with the folks in memphis but anyone. Most people live in memphis. Don't wanna see staffing own states. Run in this early is gonna in soon but pick picking memphis in that game. I'm not look. I'm going with stay but i. There's no look memphis. Could get them number one that game last week route. Remember for the. Acc was close. Memphis played him. Tough memphis is tough. They got john at dillon. Brooks is playing well but also is possible that golden state will be emotionally spent. You know what i mean from that game. I mean they put everything into that game last night and come up short so i wouldn't be surprised if you're right but i'm gonna i'm gonna go with the warriors i remember. Showed me something yesterday. You they had a big league chris. They choked it down. They came back. You know what i mean like. That was a game that they they could crumble because they had such a big lead early on in a game. And yeah i. I don't know and the warriors in the cl- the lakers had to shoot four for twenty eight to start game a chance to be in that game. I mean to be didn't blow them out. They went up by twenty five. A team shoots four for twenty eight. You know the three big stars and europe. I tell you you talking about. Look the lakers are only. We're only in that game. Because their two best players were hurt. For gobs of the season the warriors were in that game because right now there are a legitimate. Abc that's what they are and so it was one team is just better than the other but the warriors had their chance. But here's what i want to talk about. And i was on with colin today day on the herd and he thinks staff should go elsewhere. We we've all talked about you. Know lebron recruiting staff. What if the the brooklyn nets are as good as advertised. And they just become the new golden state warriors. Nobody can play with them to staff. Need to team up or lebron get somebody else. Maybe those to team up to challenge brooklyn. Here's my take rob and bay and i felt this way all season but even more so based off last night i think the clippers. I'm sorry the warriors will be contenders next year now. I don't know that they're win the west. I mean i think if if age doesn't get too much of lebron the lakers will still be there. The clippers will still be good assuming they don't lose qualm which i don't think they will. I mean why why. i don't think they will. And then of course you know the other teams are pretty good. But i think golden state will be a contender a have a shot at winning the west that team though jordan pool and want us gone away anderson and all these other guys are getting seasoning right now and they're gonna move down a notch. Instead of being a six-man you'll be a seventh man or an eighth man or ninth and they'll play well in that role because of the seasoning. They're getting now. Andrew wiggins who people have criticized him obviously not to the point of kwamena brown. A similar is less of course but andrew wiggins was the number one pick. Everybody thought he was going to be a superstar. He's not that but he has a very good player. His defense this year was stellar. He's become a. I mean he's always scored he's always giving you about twenty game but he's not really that second score on a great team but next year he moves down a notch. He's the third score and he's fourth best player. So i think staff and clay. You're not going to be able to focus on steph as much as you have this year so it will open things up for him. Wiggins becomes the third scoring if he gives you seventeen. Eighteen night is the third score and great defense. That's terrific draymond will play. He's play well other than scoring but he'll even score a little more because again everything is opened up. I like james. Wiseman i think he's a nice center for that team because he's long athletic. He can shoot a little bit. So i actually think what steph should do is stay there next year contract and go for it if they're up in the elite of the west whether they win the western not. I stay there if they go in there. Seventy eight seat again like this year and you you see that. There's just a huge gulf between you and the top teams in the conference. Then maybe you can look at moving on. But i don't think they're window is absolutely positively shut to at least get back to the finals. I just don't think he's leaving golden state under any circumstance. I just i. Just don't i really don't think he's one enough his legacy not going to change any. He's one of those guys who should stay in the same uniform then his entire career. There's only a handful of guys who do that nowadays. And i think that's what would be better for him. And what an trying to just figure it out with whatever you have left to got clay you still have the original three guys who were drafted and played their together. I just think that would be the the right ending whether they win or not. Going to be another part of another team. And then maybe even not winning doing a michael jordan and going to some franchise or going somewhere else. And you don't win or you get dropped or you get one out of the building or whatever it is. I just don't see steph curry doing that. I would be totally surprised and shocked if he if he joined or did anything of that nature with other players out. I just don't see he's got three champion. He doesn't have anything else to do but play out his career to me. But i think and i agree with you that i don't think he'll leave. I wouldn't be grudging. If he does. But i i just think the warriors actually have a chance to have another run you know. Tim duncan into the spurs rob. They went seven years between championships. Six years between even getting to the finals he wanted in two thousand seven is fourth ring. They got back in two thousand thirteen loss to the miami heat and they won in two thousand fourteen. So it's not like you know you get a five year period and that's it a lot of times that's how it is but it doesn't have to be that way and i think what what the warriors have remember. They also have the minnesota timberwolves number one pick. So that's the top three protective pig. And then they got their own pick so the whether they draft the player or whether they use that may be package it with somebody else to get another star type or or near star type player to help them win now. They've got options so in that regard. I'm with you if you if you can win it again in your clothes. Why in the world leave. But if steph you know he's still playing great. Like i said i. I think he's playing the best ball of his career just because of all the attention that is on him and he's still doing damage so if he's still got four more years at this level and wants to play for championships. Then i'm not mad at that at all so we will see what the what he does. But i totally think he needs to stay there next season and not even think about moving on and i think that'll be the case. Eight seven seven ninety nine or fox. Eight seven seven nine nine six sixty three sixty nine. We're throwing it out to you. Do you think the warriors window remember. They got klay coming back. James weisman will be there next year and they've got the minnesota timberwolves number one draft pick. Which will be a hot one Do you think they're window to compete for. Championships is over. And if so should staff move on your turn away with chris rod the couple fox sports radio. Be sure to catch live additions of the odd couple with chris. Broussard and rob parker weekdays at seven pm eastern four. Pm pacific on fox sports radio and the iheartradio app. Okay people. what don't you know about mike tyson. Well if you thought the last dance gave you an incredible new look at michael jordan. Just wait for this new tyson documentary event. It's called mike tyson knockout. The title says it. All from his incredible climb to the top and becoming well really the baddest man on the planet to his heart crash. Very public crash down to reinventing himself from the hangover with that tiger to his personal comeback today. The documentary features exclusive new interviews with everyone from skip bayless rosie perez michael spinks buster douglas and those who are right there with tyson across his journey to that famous interview with him. Robin givens and barbara. Walters and now here from mike tyson himself buckle up for mike tyson. The knockout the documentary event. Premiering tuesday may twenty fifth at eight seven central on abc and streaming. Next day on hulu. Chris social situations your most uncomfortable with any situation where i'm with. You know really for me. It's when you run into a dude but totally draw blank on his name right sometimes. It's tough for me with my wife's were colleagues. Lots of doctors not everyone sports fans so i get kind of quiet you quiet. I don't like formal situations. I like miller time for sure. Miller lite is brewed for those times. When you can just hang out and have a good time a miller. Lite only has ninety six calories so as less filling. It's not a seltzer. It's not an ip. It's just great beer so next time you're getting beers with friends. Make it militarism. Luckily you can pick up some miller lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer or go to miller lite dot com forward slash. Odd couple to find delivery options near you. It's miller time celebrate responsibly. Miller brewing company milwaukee wisconsin ninety six calories and three point two carbs per twelve ounces guaranteed. A song was playing last night. Araya parker's apartment leading into the show. It is the couple on a tv. Themes on thursday coming to you live from the fox. Sports radio studios. We got some exciting news. We did it in march. We're gonna do it again in may the play offs are here folks. Nba style and that means bracket time as right. Everything is better as a bracket challenge. It just is. It's like everything's better with bacon. 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All right let's kick it off with a shack in richmond. You're on the odd couple. Fox sports radio. I'm assuming that's richmond virginia. Yeah shagman spoke before. I got some good good good a shock. Did you know how ugly i was a main kwame brown said. What did he say about me. Rob parker you okay. Yeah watching the early man like nine anybody across by right now playing about quantity but as far as the warriors man ready for that record is raucous audience. Done no way. No how leg when they did klay back as long as he's about Eighty five percent and ninety percent of what it used to be. I can make another run at a Nobody else gets hurt with the guys. They got so lucky. You live in his shot. They got a shot. I'm with you. I mean nobody in the west. Is that crazy though. So i mean roddick. Lebron older the clippers a shaky like at the end of games. I mean it's phoenix in utah. Really scary. And i mean not to me like i mean as far as the dominant talent. Like only team out there. There's really that wall is brooklyn. Wait for the end of the game. And if it's close steph won't win form so that's what you hope for a transit. Yes on that shack for the call. Hey rob in missouri. Ima zoo your knee. I couple of fox sports radio. I went to mizzou for a couple of months. How are you. I'm doing well Got drawn we're great man we're great. Hey look man. The warriors have as good a chance of winning the western conference with everybody healthy as anybody in the wall circumference age of bomb in a couple of other players. You know. I'm not so john mopus ain't gonna be good and stuff like that but if you get back a healthy clay and south comes back you know i last night i think it was a fluke. I grew up in southern california. And i big laker fan. All my life and If you yesterday was was Who says you're you're desperately wrong. Sesa hooper ariza hooper just games. That's going to happen and it's happening abroad. That's happened they. i'm jay. You know that's why it's possible. I just take that. With a healthy goal. Set warrior team and the coaches. They have not competing for the western conference. Nice car like it a lot. Make sure they send your last car. Excellent knowledge that was good. You think so. Joseph in indiana. You're the i couple of sports radio. What's up joseph your brother. How are you not bad. Other another day in paradise. We're in indiana at all. Actually you must be in paradise indiana. 'cause i don't own any place in india you at indiana joseph. I'm a little problem. Bloomington indiana okay pay. I lived in indianapolis as a kid. I lived in a lot of places. It was my favorite place to live as a kid. You just like the say nail. Most shrimp chris. That's the only thing that shrimp cocktail that wouldn't nap town. The town is bustling compared to what he hadn't had mall down there right. Yeah i am bad downtown. Joseph my take the water's just like take step mentally that pick. They have ended the pick the top three protected if they can they should take whatever they get drafted. They should try out the power for the guy that like. They were placed dream on flow and they got wiggins like eventually. Try to move that wiggins contract but may and try to get another young asset that can be small pool or and they blow up because the last caller said. Rav done a fluke. Lebron james ain't ain't no eight no eight. The best player in the player ain't the best point in the world. No more he's a he's a choke artist. Who is the best way in the world. Joseph janni from the komo the greek freak you can get. It can win a couple of playoff series. How about that before we give it to him true. I who are now. I joseph thank you. We'll see those easily swayed. Surpri wanted his neck lows. Rob it gets people go. No way means what glow sticks. They even notice talking and he's talking about clothes. Yes clothes stick likely to make it. I'll try to make make it so everybody knows they're not gonna know about chris. What he was a kid is that they say money light bulbs you just have to walk into a room and everything was good all right. Let's go to chris. You're sports radio what's up. Hey what's up guys. How you doing man. good man. Nothing nuts and i got So lebron is getting been right so you think eight eagles. Eight eagle in la. Oh yeah yeah he's he's. He's won a championship I honestly don't think is the type that's just championship seeking. I think you obviously want to win. But he's not the level of player where you're counting his rings oh he's needs to more to pass duncan no he ain't never gonna pass him. Dunk lay to. He's with the lakers. While leave as my my thing. Is you know steph steph He's going to recruit players yourself. Not just because players gonna wanna play with stuff. So i don't see him going anywhere. I could see them moving players but a player that nobody really talking about. I think they can move his dream on green like yes draymond. Green been near dragic but You know hemming care. You know bump is you know. He's not really producing so much like deeply i think he's playing great defensively. I rate garden. Ad last night. Yeah he's just rusty right now. That's all but i just think i think he overrated to me but i think go to state they still got you know they still got time. I think they'll try to see if they can go ahead and make a run at bradley beal he would fit well there so that would be interesting all right. Speaking of the warriors we got marcus thompson from the athletic covers. The bay area for them as a columnist. He'll join us in a moment but first fox sports radio has the best sports talk lineup. In the nation. Catch all of our shows at fox. Sports radio dot com and within the iheartradio app search f. r. to listen live was up. Everybody it's me three times. Provo lavar arrington. 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Our episode is passive income a myth out now to learn more about passive ways to earn additional income. And you can learn more about becoming a host at home slash host is. I don't know if you saw us column. He wrote a column for the athletic. As you know he's a great writer. Wrote a column today. Saying brian staff is the burr magic of our time with that. Yeah did you. Yes i agree. You agree with it. Well outlook obviously. It doesn't have the cultural impact. The burr magic. I mean they saved the leak. No no go all that. Yes in terms of them. Saving the league ganger who racial aspect. One was white in boston was black in. La in la was workmanlike player. In boston i mean you couldn't have made a better scenario of a league. That was in trouble and on tape delay and all the other stuff that went with it. The ncaa championship game was the highest rated. I i just don't look at it. That way and then i read to in his column that last night game felt like a finals game. Well here we go. We got marcus witness and less we have got some do. We were just talking about your column. I thought was very good. you say. Curry lebron is the magic bird of our time Go ahead and explain. Give me give me a better rivalry since they give you a better to players who took turns beating each other played at the highest levels of there every year even another one jordan with five fell. He didn't have a rival. Who i agree with you. I don't it doesn't have the cultural impact. Didn't save delete. it did wasn't one white one black and all that. But i do agree. I don't think there's been in better individual rivalry in recent memory. Lebron never met in the finals in. You're right. I the only problem i have with it is. It's three to one staff and two of those championships. Were durant lebron. More so than steph that we're gonna disagree. Thank god we could get it. You're in the bay area. Not getting no. No no you steph. Breath maxwell was the finals. Wanted to thank you. Know a great player. Now no no no no. No let's put steph also choke down the three to one leave without durant. The knitted never happen. Marcus and it never happened in the nba. Where magic didn't tragic. No they didn't show down. It's tragic to one lead in the final nine lead. I've never had out the clock. Never okay it in the final. No no that's not what i said. I said don't ever happened history. I know i know. I got it never happened. You give me your neither have a with it. Neither had mtl l. injury. Neither had it your spinner to talk. They didn't lose any lose to more than two games in a row. All year steph had to win one of three games and that's all they had to security. I'm not buying explain his point though. Why go here marcus. I is like players it happened. It happened when the bronze is happy with steph. It's happened with magic. The only person that hasn't happened with michael jordan. Sometimes you lose. Sometimes you fail so to make a failure. Disqualify you literally disqualifies everybody but bill russell and michael jordan. That's not the point. The point is there's nobody else in this league. That's drawing like lebron steph and keep in mind since jordan left this has been an issue right. Kobe became that next dude of kobe and shaq And lebron was the parent. But when you start looking at lebron's whole rain. Who's the rival. Who who kept them afloat. Who kept him going. We're going to look back on that and say it was lebron steph. It wasn't the brian. Tim duncan we know what then ratings numbers did right. It was lebron and steph those other two players who keep people watching those two draws those are people who gets archies and uncle about who gets you know casual fans involved euro saying that that that was the point not like obviously magic and bird saved the league like nothing is a hundred percent but we haven't had two players whose own rivalry between each other has been this captivating and this big of a draw they got five point six million on a play in game a game. That don't even count like think about that. They ain't got five million album. That felt like a finals game in a game. That really didn't count. There was no last night. It wasn't a bra brought in like a finals game to me last night. No okay i mean you got different feelings. I didn't say game seven. You gave throwing a game. One of the finals guy. Everything it was big. I said that like a finals game up just evening. Hey marcus what if you wrote a column everybody agrees. The goal has probably a terrible car. Watching the golden girls robin roberts trip. Because let's remember like you remember this Chris game four of the nba finals when the world was going three one. And lebron got into withdrawing mind right. Remember that that whole. He had just kind of desperation. He's like we're about. And i'm about to do anything right like say like this dude. Hit a thirty four footer. For the where you telling me. That's like what what what game was it like. Was it like a regular season game. Would you like to play a game. Like we don't have that reference like last night from the standpoint of all i'm saying is it worse i'm like what if he told me that. That game. somebody. Lebron steph was going home absolutely i would. I would be in game just fine. Okay detroit. Nobody goes. Oh game through the nba finals. Nobody goes on. It's the say it's about the intensity it's about how much you don't get to determine if anyway broncos and determine what it means to him missed the him how this lee and you get to determine what felt like to you. But i'm just telling to me as a guy was covered the nba nineteen eighty-seven and i've been around the game. I don't cover it every day like you. Do you know because of the warriors and where you are with the athletic. But i've covered the league for a long time. I'm just saying i watched it. It didn't feel like that to me. That's all come on. You gotta get gotta get the juicy celebrity game back delivered a game back out here. You gotta get eleven again back to this to all time greats going at it Win is that not a big deal. You know what. I'm saying like come on. You telling me steph didn't wanna hit that game when three half court doubled him he out eight seconds trying to find a look back on the turnover at the end. Did you want to hold onto the ball. There was no turnover at the end. What are you talking about. What did corker before you go before. We got about a minute for you answer. Do you think the war is going to be contenders next year when they get klay back where you do. You think they're window is closed for that or do you think you agree with me. I think they'll be considered only. Because i don't think the west is as great as everybody likes to think they are like there. There are no not. The lakers are great Somebody's got knocked him off. But i do think the warriors have some of the pieces. I think they'll need another move though. Like klay coming back especially two years. You don't know what he's gonna be. I still think they need clay. Plus one other thing right. And i don't know what that is but if they get that i'll tell you what nobody wanna play this thing. They don't wanna play 'em now with steph weekend right they definitely don't wanna play with play another piece. That's our man. Marcus thompson gray stuff. Great column to may go check it out at the athletic dot com. A very thought provoking interesting read as his all of his stuff. Great stuff brother. We appreciate it man. I tac in you final interview. It aided attack do fruits opinion. I know what you robin which all big brother piece man. Good job are. We got some breaking news in the world of sports. We'll share it with your next couple of fox. Sports radio be sure to catch live editions of the odd couple with chris. Broussard and rob parker weekdays at seven pm eastern four. Pm pacific on fox sports radio and the iheartradio app. It is the act. Chris rob coming. You live from the fox. Sports radio studios wrapping up a tv theme song. Thursday a feisty when rob parker was was i maybe brown stuff got him. It ain't get to me. This is an okay why cannot disagree with one of our guests. He's why like. I just disagree with it. That's all. I don't want it to be like everything is glad hand and we agree with everybody who comes on. It's nothing personal i disagree. What was disrespectful to no no okay. I'm not disrespectful. He's he's a fine writer and covers basketball very well. I just disagree with them and he was think we get too caught up in the moment all the time. I got breaking news. Don't we yes we do. I i there is no excuse. Folks for not buckling up. Law enforcement is giving tickets out. Why risk it do the smart thing and buckle up every trip day or night. Click it or ticket pay for by nitsa. Here's breaking news breaking news. More breaking news from fox sports would have went to the update desk but we have technical difficulties right now espn is reporting tyson. Fury deontay wilder will square off in their trilogy fight. July twenty four. The two sides verbally agreed to a deal. They expect the deal to be signed in the coming days. It's going to take place in vegas unsure of the venue exactly right now. But it's looking like it's gonna be allegiant. Stadium home of las vegas raiders. The lot of people in one arena to watch a boxing match sixty forty split in favor of tyson fury for the contracts will remember fury was supposed to i anthony joshua and deontay wilder sue. Well not sube took it to arbitration right and because they had a contract for their last fight that there be a rematch but the concert was like four year rematch within the next year. And that time paso fury dot. Okay i can fight. Josh were well. The arbitrators voted on the side of wilder. And because of what happened. And that's what that sounds like that. Yeah that has something to do with it because it did right. I mean there's no because they couldn't fight so year kind of weight went away and he lost his chance when nobody was fighting. I think that's a fair ruling. Chris i agree i agree I do this is early. July twenty fourth. Remember fury's been training thinking. He's he's gonna fight joshua i guess. Wilders been trained. And i know he wants to get a chance to avenge himself. I'm i'm going with furio rob. I just don't think wilder has the boxing skills to beat fury and he obviously has the one punch. But here's the even bigger thing. I worry about rob with wilder. You know this you've seen you cover boxing a lot of times when the guy who has run roughshod over everybody especially if he's done it for years right where he finally loses. He's never the same mentally he's never been knocked down never been beaten that aura that he had within himself and the opponents have of you is gone mike tyson even though he came back and has some nice winds was never the same after buster. Douglas nope kim and shane everything. Also and guys were scared of him anymore. Guy's more scared. Because i was covering box into an time and he was guys used to shake the ring before the fight even started mean he had people shook my adult apps. I thought michael spinks was done weeks before that fire on the other guy. Was frank bruno as it. Flat was bruno. Carl the truth would rank. Bruno laguna came out. The chris ripped you remember him. Hose got us. Yes built like a greek god. Yes and he was in there shake in against him and he was bigger enticing. I mean obviously wasn't a tall guy but bruno like you said he was. He was he looked like he was gonna knock tyson's block off and i think rob doses when tyson hit a guy. Good in those situations ages went down. I think they wanna know once. They felt his power. I don't think they wanted any part of you whether they could've got back up or not. They want to get back up. I agree they want. i'm good. I'm good exactly. I'm getting to save him out of money. I'm going to lose. So i might as well stay down. But yeah roy. Jones rob he never was the same after antonio tarver beating and so i- wilder i just don't wanna think type fury's a better boxer. Anyway he's already tasted wilders power and come back from it. He obviously beating badly in the second fight. I think this when. I think theory's gonna win fairly easily. I really interested yup look forward to it. Yeah and then of course the winner will get joshua so we got some good things to look forward to a heavyweight boxer. And you know somebody's aiming make is. Maybe i think you're gonna see some more cross fights rob which i'm i'm here for that. It is the couple. Chris rob tv theme song. Thursday is gonna come and gone. Keep it locked for jason smith and mike harmon here on fox. Sports radio do if you're a small business owner growing. Your business is what it's all about that is if you have the space to do it. Keep smart self. Storage has the solution with a variety of storage unit sizes helpful online resources and easy to access facilities cube. Smart self storage provides a self storage experience that puts the focus on you. Because you and your business matter most help you grow. Cube smart is offering up to twenty five percent off your monthly rent. 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Hour 2: Silver Spoons

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

33:42 min | 2 months ago

Hour 2: Silver Spoons

"I really want to get back to basketball. And amino hassen is really good in terms of giving his expertise and he wants to do show with us because he's of our sensibilities but we really value his basketball knowledge and insight around here and yesterday was cool. We want to know what he thinks about the heat and the box and if that's going to be any different because i think he's going to predict the heat again. What do you think my rumor has it. He's no longer the mayor of okay so bloomberg play that we wrestled away pleased from. Espn to bring him back in. Because i wanted to follow him everywhere basketball. Best a bunch of different questions chris. Webber fired kwame brown. We didn't appreciate his screens enough We have to talk about a number of different things. But i'm sorry. I mean hold on just a second. I'm being told. Oh this is happening again now. Really i thought the bit had died. Kenny mayne kenny. Mayne is with us again. Giving us updates from the golf course with newfound freedom. I thought we agreed that that it didn't go right the last time. And we'd overplayed our hand. Like i remember in football. If you've failed on a play that you know should have succeeded. You come right back to it and you just try again so i'm at. Tpc river highlands deavere my friend producer out off. The plane landed nine or ten fifteen. He's here he's ready to golf for seven minutes away. Ppc river islands My game is more of an essay really than an americal achievement. Or or you know. What i'm saying like like the next gen guys are always hyping quarterbacks. Run all over the field. So why can't i get the same kind of respect. If i'm all over the course i don't care i'm just here Again it's fine. It doesn't matter. Just stay with day. Give the baltimore sun over and over and try to get to that damn golden. What's your question you had. You had a lot of time to come up with better material. You had a lot of time to to the bid failed. You want to rescue the bit. You're i mean you're leaving. Espn they just kicked you out. You left very gracefully and this is what you're going to do with your freedom. You're going to run the bit. I'm looking at like in my contract. As the month. I could talk to other companies so i'm just doing it publicly I want to be on my whole career to begin with but la crimes check it out. I'm i'm you know amount. I'm own agent. Publicist broadway danny. Rose not available. Tom cruise not available But i would have a guy like jerry maguire. If i had an agent it'd be kinda got show me the money. What happened with the la times. They had a feature on you. They wrote about your luster his career. No i wrote it John walsh the exalted ruler from years. Back gave me a sweet phone call. We had a great talk. You know touched by all the people that reached out you guys included and He said you want just write your own story. Everybody's writing stories. Bu once write your own. When i finally had like ninety minutes of air saturday morning i just did it and senate and the la times said yes and as as rambling as as drop in. I mean the poor forest four form. It is poor form but it means getting cocky and he deserves it because we've been disrespectful forum. Are you now at the or are you going to tee off her. Are you just calling. You told me to call your idea. I mean i was just going to go play but you said no call. Here's the number call in and just take golf. Update which is what i did by the way i wanna thank you and i wanna ask you. I didn't want to forget this. What's your favorite charity donets. Pause what do you care about Well we're working on a couple of different things right now. Ron mcgill are substantive endowment for the animal is something what is happening now. What is happening. Now tell me the reason. I'm asking you is. I want gift you and thank you because on your show. I dropped the name of a sponsor that i was pitching for commercial. And they said yes and recruiting it next week so even before kicked out. I already have new work. I'm not bragging. But i am in business to make commercials. Don't let commercial companies said allowed doesn't wieden kennedy say out loud. We may commercials. Why the hell can i do it. I just did okay. That's what he's doing with the freedom ladies and gentlemen a blossoming career. All ahead of him from the golf course. Thank you for joining us from a shot or no shot. A what thank you thank you. Flawless segue. Are you as amazed as i. Am that tony. Snell hasn't missed a foul shot in more than two years. Have a base that he's taking a shot and more than two years. The league some really really. That's not right. You do that to people. I thought you respected everybody. Who was in the league. Well you know. This is a big weekend for respecting people in the league. I don't know if you follow along. With the whole kwami brown gilbert arenas stephen jackson brouhaha that erupted over instagram. My by mentions were going crazy. All these this see what what he said about. You guys stat. Well tell us tell us what happened there because all i saw his one clip of kwame brown. Just saying that we were. We were entitled for for for not appreciating his screens. And somebody made a comment to and many took it seriously. Congratulations on scoring a combined. Eighty two points with kobe bryant in that eighty one point game and he got indignant about. Is that where that started. It started I guess jenny bus was on all the smoke. Which is the podcast. Stephen jackson matt. Barnes do diverse successful podcasts. And she was talking about the pow goes trade. And she mentioned kwami brown's name as one of the pieces that went out. And i guess Stack that. Barnes had a little chuckle at kwame as expense and so There was that and then six separate episode gilbert rina's was a guest and he talked about kwami brown and based on what he tried to put a positive spin on he was a good guy and he just he had the confidence brow out of them by multiple people over the years Kwami just took a lot of. I guess umbrage to the stuff that was said about him and he went off and he said hey you know you guys are supposed to be all pro black and pro this and pro that you are tearing me down. I what i heard. Dan was the voice of someone clearly. Like jokes in the stuff over. The years weighed on him and he just kind of reached his breaking point. It was sad. Yeah yeah i mean. It's it wasn't like your typical. Oh then he called him this and then you call them that it was more of men. This is a dude who's in pain in some in some form and and kinda just wants to be left alone and instead you know he becomes if feels like you become the butt of another joke once again. Well the name has been right. The name has been a punch line for a long time because michael jordan drafted him physically. He was amazing. he and he's a historic bust. Of course that's going to be something that haunts someone who works all their life to be great at something and you associate the name. Kwami brown with laughter. Yeah and then. There was a story that someone wrote about him. This is might have been like fifteen years ago now is he was a really sheltered kid was from a small town in georgia and when he made the nba. The leap from high school to the pros. The infrastructure around drafting rookies at the time was a lot lot thinner than it is now. This was a guy who needed his handheld right. There's a story in there where he's supposed to go to an appearance he doesn't make the appearance and His agent is called the says. Hey we can't find kwami so it goes over to qualms apartment and he says why don't you make the parents out. I don't have any clean clothes so happen to the clothes that we got you. And he opens a clause in there like worn and crumpled on the ground is. Why did you just take him to the cleaners in kwami said i don't know how and you know. It's easy to hear that sorting lavaka. What kind of idiot doesn't know how to use cleaners but like this is again. This is a kid grew up one of like seven kids single mom. She worked all the time From the small town in georgia humble background it didn't have a lot of world experience. And the washington wizards said here's millions of dollars gopi. Grown man Without any help or guidance or anything like that and so you hear those stories and you figure out like this is a guy that imagined europe. Is dan hoosier idol. Who's the guy that you look up to more than anybody in your industry in our industry. I'm going to have to think about that for someone you pass over now. Charlie pierce greg cody greco. Okay so imagine eighteen year old. Dan lebatardshow gets to work with greg. Cody and greg. Cody isn't the greco. We know law right now. Everyone knows and loves greg cody. It's funny he's great but in practice in private when you meet them he calling you names. He's questioning your manhood. Jeez browbeating you a is bullying. You turns greco behind closed. Doors is an absolute monster. What would that do to you. Would that make you a better journalist. Probably not like this is your. This is a guy yet has posted on the wall probably a year ago. Now you realize always a monster. And that's what happened to quantity brown because michael jordan was trying to toughen them up. I don't even know. I mean maybe or maybe i says michael jordan right. Was he trying to toughen up. Steve kerr when he punched him. Or was he just being michael jordan. This thing that we've done with jordan over the years where we ascribe like some sort of alterior motive to him being an asshole instead of just saying he's an asshole there's no like mysticism behind it or i was trying to get the best outta you. He's just an asshole. he's also a great basketball player. Bob the greatest of all time. And no one's gonna take that away from him but we also have to acknowledge not everything he did was like. Oh 'cause he's trying to build you up or because this is three in your best interest or because he's a good dude sometimes no he was just being an asshole but mean that that television commercial that we did it. Espn over that nike commercial. That we did with with his fingerprints all over. It was not titled. He's an asshole. Dan is one of my favorite things. go back. Forget about the last dance. Think about his hall of fame. Enshrinement as we're coming off of hall of fame weekend here. He gave the speech that was uncharacteristically. Mean as far as hall of fame ceremonies. But anyone who knew michael jordan. I might. that's like none of us. Were shocked like he's being himself right there but so many people that was the first time they saw what kind of guy he was. I mean think about this. Michael jordan famously. Got cut run. His sophomore team order sophomore year from his high school team. He wasn't really cut the stories a lot less salacious right. But let's just take his side of it right. He got cut and the guy who last cut on the team was guy named leroy something or other guy you know. High school player goes on does whatever career he has in life. Ask something to do with sports. And lyn nor carolina somewhere michael jordan picks up. The phone says libra remember. Hey mike has been so many years. Yeah hey man. I'm getting shredding the hall of fame. I want you to be there. What yeah flies him out. Get some tickets to the vet by the way. Those tickets are not cheap. I had to pay for it. When i went to the steve nash. Reality decent kid year Pays and tickets great seating towards the the the stage guys like. Oh my god. I can't believe you remember all these years. Whatever mike gets up there in the middle of the speech as says leroy they cut me for your sorry ass. He did it just like a comic prop. He used him as a bit and again in my mind like that's my but so many people are like. Oh my gosh what happened to. Sometimes i dream the here's me. What do what do you. What do you do with. Kevin garnett making the given the two guys. You're talking about there and michael jordan and kwami brown. Kevin garnett was an unusual character who somehow managed to navigate that whole high school not knowing anything infrastructure do it before anyone else and got to the hall of fame. Well i think first of all we should never judge people by the exception right. If he's the exception see anyone can do it. We say wow. I remember what charles barkley was the big thing and everyone wanted to six five power forward. Charles barkley does is like. Yeah because he's one of the greatest players of all time not because six five powerpoint actually is a thing to have in the nineties so similarly cagey is an exception gopi is an exception. Those guys are incredibly tough minded people who katie had been world because remember he's from south carolina. He's from chicago. He muga chicago to bid to go to a bigger school a better school to get more exposure basketball wise. Same kobe. the guy who lived in italy whose father was a professional athlete. So the there's things in these people's backgrounds that maybe prepare them better for these rigors And at the same time. I think there's also a a level of. Yeah he's a great player. It's easier on you when you're a great player. Kwami bound probably wasn't a good player. He could have been better i think. But maybe he wasn't going to be a great player and people's patience runs shorter with less talent. Miss episode is brought to you by expanding. The you like free stuff. Well listen up. Expanded flexes a four k streaming box. You get free with xfinity internet plus premiums included at no extra cost. That's a win win. If you have xfinity internet entertainment starts at free with flex sa- go on and get really into your shows extending. It's a way better way to watch a man of the jazz make it to the nba. Finals are because plenty of people are gonna be surprised. But i'm not certain we should be surprised when you consider there the best scoring offense in the western conference and they have the second best team defense in the western conference but people don't want to see utah there and they don't think utah's got to get there why well i think there's a couple of things they don't want us to utah. That one's pretty clear it. A ratings thing like lebron said at the all-star draft no one in the history of video game ever said i'm playing with jazz. It is as far as why they probably won't make the final guts. It's really be until we find out whether they figured out how to not let rudy gobert. Get game plan out of playoff series. That's happened the last three or four trips. They lose series because the other team figured out a way to make rudy go bear less effective than he usually is. And that's either playing them off the floor or just pulling him away from under the basket. That's why by the way for defensive player of the year. My pick is ben. Simmons or even bam out of biotic would be top to me before rudy gobert because rudy's defense rooted and you want to get to the rim and i make it hard for you. There he does. That elite is the best in the league at that. The problem is when you get to the playoffs. Better teams and better strategies She got players like niko yokich. Who are gonna operate from twenty three feet. Not because that's all you can do. But because he knows route he's got to come out here and see me if he doesn't if he sags off of me i can make shot or we can pick a roles for my guards who will feast on the space that he gives when he goes into drop coverage. These are all problems. The jazz have to dress. They have an address it over the last couple years. Maybe they do this year. I don't know but until i see them do differently. I'm gonna go with yeah. I don't think they're going to make it out of the west with lockout seasons and last year's bubble we've seen teams kinda enter the playoffs hitting their stride a little bit but at lower seeds we saw the twenty two years ago. When the eighth-seeded knicks knocked off the heat. Are we going to see a lot of upsets Justin seeding because as you mentioned earlier in the show. The lakers are the title favorite. Despite the fact that they're playing in the playing games. Can there be more upsets because of how this season was impacted with covid protocol. I yes and no. So i i look at obviously. We look at the lakers. As a prime candidate the other team i would say Out east is the wizards right. The wizards are clearly not an eighth seed. And that was something you know dan. You brought up my appearance on the show months ago. When i said look the thunder really bad. I don't care what the record is. The net rating is is telling me that they're really bad at believe in that same show. I said the wizards aren't this bat. That they're actually good. They're just. They've lost a bunt a handful of games because of dumb mistakes at the end. But i think they'll figure it out and then. Kobe hit And then ross got hurt and bill got hurt and bill bill traded. Does you wanna be here. Does he not want to be here. And what ended up happening was they got healthy and they started winning and they went from thirteenth or fourteen in the conference to finishing up eight. Which even a couple of weeks ago seemed unlikely. Now the problem is if you are Brazil year the celtics. You're probably going to lose that. Playing game no no jalen brown and the celtics have been playing like trash lately. But then if you're the two seat which is the nets. This is not a team. You wanted lease the ball russell. Westbrook going up against kevin durant a guy he famously does it feel great about and harden. Oh yes right that's right. There's there's there's bad blood. There forgot about that that play in the nets game yesterday. Was it the best play single play. You have seen this season. They they looked like the globetrotters. It was fun and they've played eight games together. Those three guys and this is exactly what we want to see. But i think it gets harder from here right because now you're gonna play again. Motivated teams good teams. Well coached teams. And we'll see how they do though the best. Play this year for me. By far was the steph curry hand. Four point play he got fouled and he was like. I don't get this shot up with my left hand and he hits the shot and it's just like that's how you know you asked me earlier. Dan how how. We never seen anything like this. That's how you know you've never seen anything like this guy. I really feel like we let my skate with that question. That was in camouflage who was disguised asking about upsets. Are we gonna see upset. An upset champion this year as if as if he thought he was in good disguise their can the sixth seeded heat win the title because of disease because disease the thing about the heat this year versus last year is the path is much harder at the heat. Were the five seed right. I would have felt a lot more comfortable because they would've played atlanta the first round atlanta's young this the first time the playoffs that would have been. I think an easy win for the heat. Then they play the sixers in the sixers. I think are a team that is intimidated by miami. I don't think there's a whole lot of yeah. We're the we're the top dog here and you guys are the underdog. There's an intimidation factor. Their problem now is your play milwaukee which is two things one. they're motivated after. They were embarrassed last year but to their better. They're a lot better than they were. Last year. it's different Additional jrue holiday this of of some of the other. Pj tucker bobby portis. This is a much deeper team and they're able to play differently so we talked about the jazz not adjusting and that's why they've been banned bounced out the bucks have been the same story in the east but now drew holiday allows you to take off ball and now when he's all pose harder to load up on him because he's moving around and there are other things they gotta worry about. I think this is gonna be a tough series for them and the rule reward. If you beat them as you gotta go face the brooklyn nets who probably will be fully healthy by then is just a landmine after landmine after landmine. You're saying we're gonna win a championship. We're going box in the first row nets in the second round sixers in the conference finals and then either the lakers or the jazz wherever in the finals. That is a very uphill battle. The reason why it's only happened once in the history of the nba. Where team went on the road won. Four straight series against teams that were fifty wins or better and that was ninety. Five houston rockets. It's a weird thing to say a mean because the bucks were so good during the regular season last year because they had that historic differential most of the season we were talking about. Can they win. Seventy games and the heat took them out in five games and made it look easy and yet i can make the argument that the improvements in milwaukee make them the team that the heat would like to see the least because at least with the nets and the sixers they might feel like well. The nets haven't played together at all and the sixers. We have that advantage over them. So jimmy will be out here saying we're not afraid of the bucks at all but they kind of should be. Yeah no and this team is better than it was last year. I think most people of the success of the jazz and the sons and the sixers the those teams the fact that the bucks are much better team this year than they were lash earlier before i think as flown under the radar And then again. You didn't just beat them. Last year you'll embarrass them. And these are prideful got janas is a very prideful guy so i think that gives an added element of degree of difficulty. It's ok does it. You're not afraid. But that's like saying i'm not afraid to take the stairs when the elevators out. Yeah but i'd rather the elevator not be out. I don't want to take the stairs. I'll do it. But i don't want to the knicks. That's my question Stugatz let me tell if anybody benefited by the way. The game's sh- shook out yesterday was the knicks. You get to have home court advantage and you're playing against a team like you who hasn't been to the rodeo before the vast majority of the atlanta hawks is there i. I'm doing the same thing with the knicks. So if you're going to be based up against someone you want someone justice inexperience you are. I think the knicks have a more defined playing style. There are much better defensive team. They're one of the best defensive teams in the league. Their grittier at julius randle has been playing. Mvp calendar I was on like i said on who should just say kendrick perkins said yokich. His mvp but number two on his ballot is julius randle Go as far as per ask what so bad. Absolutely the out so yeah. I think the knicks are gonna win series two. They're going to win. This and the heat might not get out of the first round. So new yorkers for the first time in twenty years. I am so throwing parade. Wait a second the heat or the. I'm sorry the knicks almost lost yesterday against the celtics bench players at home to clinch the home. Fourth seed in the playoffs. Do you had to have been worried at the end of that game. Listen when you haven't been good in. Nearly two decades later they lost that game. This season has been the best season of mine life. Thought i am good smutty. Don't try to rain on my parade. It's amazing to me. How many nick fans don't share that very very well reason. Take the jab. There was like look. This is already great. No matter what happens we won. We did it. We're not a laughing stock. The group chat that. I'm in my friends and my cousins. And it's so insane in there that there's every let's already like all the expectations that the season started with earn gone and now was like well if we don't at least get to the conference finals. This is going to be a disaster of sees. what are you talking about. are you that speculation. It's so knicks fan isn't it the idea get greedier. Has this postseason years since we looked at a series in the playoffs that the knicks were playing in and said yeah. Maybe they should win that. Maybe they should beat the hawks. But god's just arguing earlier today how much. The hawks are actually very good. That the hawks if if you want what the hawks have been since they changed coaches is better than what the knicks have been all season. Then i mean is twenty. Seven and ten since nate mcmillan took over as the head coach and the hawks are healthy. Trae young was her but they're healthy now and so. I'm afraid of the hawks fan. I'm afraid of any team. You know vick. I'm afraid of any team. The hawks are better. they have been better and particularly on the defensive. End under nate mcmillan. But i think at the end of the day you're still looking at. Who are the guys on that team. Playoff experience danilo gallinari. Yeah a cup of coffee. right Clint cappella. he's got a lot of it right but like capella as a kind of blue collar guy. I'm missing one more person. But it's it's not extensive with the knicks your similar situation. The big differences. Derrick rose plays a lot has the ball in his hands and has been through it. And and sometimes that's all it takes when the talent gap isn't large mandy experience really kicks in a couple years ago denver in the first round. Pick a san antonio and they were so much better than the spurs. It wasn't even close but it went to seven. Because the spurs had all that experience on their side and they can make that talent gap shrink but at at some point. That nuggets were just better. That's not the case here. That i owe it to the hawks in the knicks regardless of how you rank them who's better still comparable and so that experience i think is going to carry the next through. I mean good talking to you. Thank you i did wanna get you before you left though chris. Webber you got any thoughts there you got anything. They fired him right before the postseason which is weird. Well first of all congratulate chris webber and finally get into the hall of fame. It's a joke that he hasn't been in the hall of fame because of whatever secret voting process that we have in basketball. We need to change that. The people's names needs to be on these ballots and you need the bows needs to be published so we know why. Why did you feel like chris webber. Who at one point when you said the best power it in the game. Tim duncan kevin garnett dirk nowitzki. Swoboda's right there and he wasn't number four on that list. He was right there with that. So congratulations to see web much much. Much Delayed but finally you're in there as far as him getting let go. This is one of those things dan. i wonder. I wonder if you under this to to social media. Play a role in how these companies are doing decisions. Because chris weber's weren't a guys who gets a lot of heat on twitter. Oh my god has guys terrible blah blah blah but. I've never listened to chris. Webber felt like he was overtly bad. I don't agree with everything he said. Well thought he was a decent commentator. And i know he's a really smart basketball guy. I've heard him talk Kind of off air about you. Know breaking down the triangle offense and all these. He's he's a really brave basketball mind. But i just feel like for them to let him go at this juncture had to be something along the lines of like well. Twitter says he's not good if so facto man. That'd be a bummer. But that would make sense to because tv executives are always easily influence. Like that. i mean jimmy. Kimmel told us that they'd sat around worried about what rudy mart. Ski was gonna write and usa today like they've got so few people great now got so few people where they would get public opinion on. And now everybody's got an opinion chris weber's not one of the popular guys is rudy mart ski. Could he have had any other career. Other than critic like that's sake critic name put it on. The poll guillermo could rudy ski had any other career other than television critic based on only his name. Thank you i mean. I don't know how many of the people listening to this or even how many of the people around here are old enough to know. Why the name. Ricky schroder means something. Roy is an old ahead. But i don't know how much experience he has with the show. Silver was builds buddy. Okay you say the best. But have you seen or heard anything going on recently with ricky schroder because it is decidedly. Not the best. I haven't thought about ricky schroder since that show. I mean okay. Well i'm about to tell you some stories involving ricky schroder. That are a bit disturbing because this weekend at costco. He was one of those people embarrassing. Someone yelling about masks and stuff and so we've arrived at an life imitating art portion of the proceedings. Were guy literally from silver spoons. Because the show couldn't be called white privilege is one of the people on the side of a guy a guy famous for having a toy train his house and just being obnoxiously rich and entitled that was the role as a child. It's the last role. I think i don't i think most people only associate him with that role i think he went to like nypd. Blue for a little bit and people took him seriously for like a cup of coffee he went. I'll put it on. The poll. guillermo plays did ricky schroder go to nyc in my cpa deep blue for a cup of coffee. Because i don't actually remember that it's nypd blue. That's fine okay. Thank you so. I don't remember him from that. But he active danny sorenson on eighty blue episodes. I believe it was after jimmy. Smits thank you roy. So what do you remember about. What you remember about ricky schroder I remember the same things that you remember outside of the cup of coffee at nyc. Blue what i remember is him being a spoiled little katie. What a trade in his house. That's it but i was so jealous of him. I wanted to be him. I wanted that train. I wanted to be in that mansion. And i love my dad but i wanted that dad to be my dad. He's spoiled al at arregi. Okay but the problem with all of this is that recently. He helped bail out the wisconsin shooter like he donated bond. It's not just running around being guy who yells about a mask. I'm genuinely curious. About what side are you on. When you're helping that shooter with bond like what are you. What are you fighting for the ability for a kid with a gun to shoot black people like honestly like what are you. Stand for when you're coming from silver spoons and it's not arguing about masks in science but you're actually helping like what's the statement you're trying to make with being a part of the bond for somebody who was walking around with an automatic weapon just randomly killing people clear. Evidently he might be standing for white supremacy to dan. Just assuming it's a fair assumption to make right like once you're putting the bond on that once you're calling from silver spoons to that and you're somebody who yells about masks like does anyone else look at ricky. Schroder dropped their head in. Shame like what happened to you. Young man was it. The silver spoon was it. The training your house was it. The child stardom. Like what are you fighting for when you're using some of that money from eight episodes of nypd blue. You're using that money. That's your charitable cause off. I think we're identified what it is you're fighting for but can you even argue. Otherwise is there way to. Is there any other argument to be made if we liked said to ricky schroder. Hey what's your platform. Is it just killing black people. Like what what you're donating this money to what. I wonder how funds overbill feels about this. His civil spoons cast mate. There he's probably not unhappy about what's been going on in a relationship with his life. Why didn't we ask him that question when he was on with us. This story yet. Moscow is cost. But i think i actually think the helping with the bond story was a story. Then you say so i don. I apologize for not forcing ricky shorter into the into this joe prior to its funds as to join us the next day minute has been back on what happened to that number. The number still working author have you can hear us. We're celery any of these people are.

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2001 Redraftables With Zach Lowe: Parker or Pau? Arenas or Iso Joe? Elgin, MJ, and Wallace Doing Stuff! | Book of Basketball 2.0

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2001 Redraftables With Zach Lowe: Parker or Pau? Arenas or Iso Joe? Elgin, MJ, and Wallace Doing Stuff! | Book of Basketball 2.0

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Shame you but you should at least try out a podcast on spotify. Check it out. It's as easy as I just described and speaking of checking out stuff. The Ringer Dot com still cranking out sports pop culture and a whole bunch of other things. We have some good stuff in the works. We have not slowed down despite other stuff. That's going on. I hope you're staying safe. I hope you're listening to the doctors. And scientists were. GonNa get through this at some point. We're trying to get some context for you so I know everybody's board out there I know. I know it's been tough times but We're just trying to do our job over here and hope your stand safe coming up me. Zach Lowe the two thousand one redraft ables here the basketball. But that's still near Josh inch of you should bash bashed all right. The redraft ables continues. I was on his podcast last week. Doing our belated. Mvp ballot this week. Zach Lowe and I are redrafting the two thousand one draft which is one of the last drafts. We're just all hell broke loose And it's a really weird one to look at again first of all How much old basketball are you watching these days? Now that we are in week four of the Quarantine. Not as much as you would think honestly Not that much like seriously i. I have a lot of work to do. I feel like I have a lot of work to do like they still want some of my regular columns there's the whole like is the NBA. Coming Back News Story. That we're all kind of tracking. I've kind of tried to lean into like I WANNA cover. What teams are doing now rather than full on the stage road and then when it gets to like nine nine thirty at night? My wife doesn't WanNa Watch basketball. She wants to have a glass of wine and she got me into the Great. I'm watching the great British. Bake off right now. Unbelievable Oh wow look at you What do you can do is unbelievable for so am. I did a podcast yesterday and kind of stumbled into a conversation that I got increasingly excited about. Since we've done it and I think I'm probably a little too pessimistic about sports coming back but if the able to figure it out one of the one of the hurdles I couldn't get past was how weird it would be to watch everybody empty arenas and how nonsensical that'd be and as we're kind of talking it out. I was saying well. It would actually make more sense if they did it. In like high school gyms Smaller facilities places like that. And then Had somebody who knows things told me that practice facilities actually could be the way that they're going to do this and there's some benefits there one. Is that way less people involved with the practice facility? The teams basically. I think there's every team own some semblance of practice at this point right off thirty. Yeah either that or they are well there are a couple that have it in their arenas yes. I wonder if there are any other just straight up practicing their arena regular floor anymore. I'm not sure there are so you would cut down on the people that were actually working there and then from a media standpoint the way that they could do the cameras would actually be pretty cool because everything would be so close to the court and there's no fans you could get way more creative and basically make it look like the most awesome version of a scrimmage ever like you know they have the famous Dream Team Ninety two scrimmages and the footage leaked out of some of those games and it was like awesome to watch but they're in a big arena. You kinda can find that to some awesome little area and you just had them going in their uniforms i. I'm starting to talk myself into this. I might just Miss Basketball though the practice scillies of definitely been talked about the NBA. Definitely sniffs smells opportunity like. Let's let's the the brightest possible bright side of all this if we can come back even if there's no fans in the venues are weird and all that like people are dying to watch this on television like. It's an opportunity for US people trapped in their houses. They want to watch something. But the practice facility thing is like you know you read about what baseball is trying to do with all the spring training facilities in Arizona versus this Vegas bubble thing that got some media. Traction how many practices Cilliers are reusing like over using one centralized one? We are decentralizing. It again in this idea. That's the challenge to me is like who's where how many people have to hop from one place to another. Does anybody have to hop from one place to another whereas the finals idea that? That's that's up in the air. Yeah well I think one thing that I I'm officially on this point from this point forward if we do this it's not going to be in the NBA. Arenas and I think I think people in the League have even kind of accepted that that if this happens it's gotta be a smaller venue. Maybe it's pepperdine. University for the Lakers. Sir May be. It's you know some some high school that state of the art in the La area. Maybe it's the Lakers training center You go on through. They'll figure it out. I'm not that concerned. I also think if they do it'll be just the playoff teams that come back It just makes it so much easier and whether it's eight we talked about eight teams twelve teams last week on your pod Maybe everybody gets a first round by the top four seeds. The seeds five through twelve plan. But I there's there's certainly motivated financially to figure it out and Oh yeah On all sides so we'll see goes all right. We're talking about the two thousand one draft. This was the first draft our differ. Espn this does Iran too. I read it. I wrote diary. Yeah it was probably like by six column I ever wrote for. Him and I was really excited. Unleash the concept of the draft diary on. Espn's audience remember led the website with it. As very excited. You were with Dad. You were watching it with your dad and the dogs were very dog or multiple dogs. Were very excited about the draft. I can't remember. I can't remember how aggressively you talked herself into Joe Forte in that In that draft diarrhea. But we can talk about that. It was fairly aggressive. So what they would show forte. He actually was good at North Carolina like in the two thousand NCA tournament. He made big plays. And you know I think there there was some stuff going on with him. May Be off the court that derailed him to some digress. I'm not sure what position he was. It's a classic like Oh this guy will translate as a pro and then he gets to the pros during like well. You're six two and a half but you're not a point guard. What are you those guys with? Very rare exceptions don't seem to make it but I remember one of the things. Think back to this draft the Tony Parker thing lingering. Nineteen Year Old. French point guard and being like all right. That sounds great. But what are the odds? This guy is GonNa make it. His nineteen is from France and he plays point guard. We've seen young point guards get chewed up. Left and right When you think back to how you were looking at this draft in two thousand one do you remember what storyline? You're the most interested in I think it was. I think it was the the big men and the high school. You know the peak of taking guys out of high school and you have. We'll talk about the the all of that. I assume but you know just Curry Chandler. Gamay like is this. The wave of the future is this. Just how the Bids GonNa be now taking taking high school guys. In all these seven footers coming into wants that was definitely the main storyline and then there was like some some like you know our p like Eddie Griffin was sort of like weird skilled. Big Guy like people didn't know what to do with a ham and then the but but I remember the I remember the big guys at the top obviously and the contrast with Batty in particular like Classic College Polished Duke Guy Versus like these raw seven foot high school dudes the first four picks in the draft if you go to a basketball reference dot com our friends at basketball reference so. I get a lot of action these days. There's no college next to the first four picks how this all also in there And then the eighth pick to sign a diop no college and then Ladron Radovich number twelve seed. Six in the first twelve guys did not go to college which was really unusual. And now as I think a little more typical but and and your guy and your guy key Brad went to Oakland Yukata Walton Community College. Yeah Use Juke Guy. So basically seven of the top twelve guys were not college guys. There is a sense that we felt at the time that something was really shifting with the draft because by this point dirk was having real success as a foreign foreign player We started to hear the rumblings about Manu may be the spurs at lucked out. He was gonNA come over at some point and then with the high schoolers cagey was now. A top fifteen top twelve guy. Kobe was rounding into a superstar. And there is a sense of. Where's this going? Where's this heading? Is this GonNa be completely different in ten years? What's funny as this was really the last really super crazy. High scores all at the top of the draft cardio year it settled down after this and you look at the top. Four picks Washington ended the first pick and Michael Jordan Was I can't. He wasn't there yet. I think he was about to start. Those were owner. Oh he yeah he were hold on. I can't remember how many years he was out. But he was in charge of this draft and there is a famous he worked out with kwami. Brown thought he had a lot of dog home and and it was actually a A. It was a bad assessment. One of many reasons why Michael Jordan turned out to be a bad executive and owner but Washington had the first pick so yeah this was his to Washington seasons where Oh one zero two to three so he had this pick and one of the ironies of this draft. You've Jerry Krause in Chicago WHO's trying to trade out brand. Who is really bullish on? I WANNA get Tyson Chandler and Eddy Curry. I'm GONNA have basically the Highschool Mikhail and parish or the Macaire or the Sampson Malaysian. So Eddie out. Brain is for sale and Michael Jordan. Hey Jerry Krause so much the most logical move for him in so many different ways just flip the number one. Pick for out brand And then bring him in. You have repayments and they're already Jordan like you could actually have a playoff team right away but he hated Jerry. Krause so much ends up taking kwami Brown. Do you feel like Kwami. Brown could have made it in a if we play his career. Ten Times is there six versions of the Quami Barranco rare where he's like an all star and all star is strong like? I don't think he ever showed enough on offense to to be an all star but to your point like his career was Troubled so immediately by his wizards experience. Which is what is the name of that book about. Jordan's timing the wizards in Washington. Polite away yeah. It's like when winning is all that matters or something like that. It's a fantastic Jordan I think Jordan hates the book. And you probably should. Because it's just an unfiltered look and one of the subplots of it is just how he famously just kind of broke. Kwame Brown so I think there probably is a version of his career. That goes better. He sustained for a while in the NBA is like a solid post defender. Backup Big Kinda Dude and made a good amount of money. But I think there's definitely a version his crew that goes better but offensively like he just never really showed you much like ought to be an all star. You usually have to be a pretty damn good offensive player. I don't think ever showed that well. Unfortunately he crosses paths with MJ IN HIS FORMATIVE YEARS. Stubborn old angered everybody. I'm Jay then. Eventually ends up on the Lakers with Kobe. I would say those were. The two were teammates. He could have had for if you're talking about a fragile guy with potential. Who in a different circumstance? Maybe there's an arc where he makes it. We talked on the nineteen ninety eight draft about Nowitzki. How fortunate he was just end up in Dallas. He ends up with the perfect coach. Don Nelson he ends up with Steve Nash. Who takes him under his wing? That I share nuits is super lonely. He's not happy in the NBA. He's wondering if he made a mistake. It's the lockout year it's fifty games. It's a lot at once. There's a lot of pressure on him. He wants as he's like second guessing that decision to come at that time and his two. He's got Mark Stein. And Steve Dash basically being no no. It's good and and he rides it out and he makes it but think like there's an alternate universe where he goes to. I don't know or he goes to Memphis Milwaukee instead of them right and maybe he's ends up in Germany in two years like I'm just happier in Europe so I look at qual- thought he was really athletic. Those earlier's member the second half of his career. There are all these defensive metrics that he was actually like a really really really good defensive player and you could do real stuff on defense like he was a decent to good defensive player for sure. See have him. Steve Washed and they were found that the clippers eligible Taylor. I wrote this in the draft. Made maybe the only good trade of his entire GM tenure until two thousand six flips tight Tyson Chandler pick number two for out brand and bison early on this really professional. Non Clipper kind of Guy. Who just is a pro handles his business who's an automatic twenty ten and that was a fantastic trade Third Pick was Atlanta and I think POW GUSAU. Not Maybe enthusiastic about going there. There was some sort of something that they they'd love. They ended up slipping him doing this whole Memphis trade him right and so he goes there. Chicago's got the fourth pick according to my draft. Ira they're doing a whole smokescreen. How much they want. Power saw really they WANNA curry? They WANNA do the Chandler Curry Combo. So those were the first four picks. I felt this way in the moment. It's an and especially as it evolved and we knew Powell is good pretty quickly. It's always been interesting to me that M. J. never went never sniff POW that if he was going to take a gamble on a young forward that he wouldn't have clicked better power. I don't know enough about the background of that Bo. Do you remember anything about that. Why they didn't gravitate toward pal. I don't remember I don't remember. Maybe it was too much of an unknown. Maybe there was still sort of like do. I trust the international guys kind of thing going on at that point. I don't know I don't know why. But how walked in the League and was was pretty damn good. 'cause if you're a wizards fan you look back at this and you go. Oh man we could have had pound rip Hamilton basically two years apart we had. Mj Who was still at twenty point score at the time and the League was pretty weak back then. And I think Powell at least could've put points right away. The Quami thing was just just went badly on a lot of expectations to. I'm glad you defended the The clippers acquisition of Elton brand. Can we talk a second about Elton Brand? Just walks in the league as a rookie and averages twenty and ten like as a rookie walked in twenty and ten you can tell me about the limitations of his game like you know how. How much brandon his prime drive winning? I think I think he's actually underrated in that aspect. Because we've sort of we've sort of downplayed post scoring and he wasn't a three point shooter and he wasn't like a seven footer with shop locking skills that at an elite level and all that but Elton brand was freaking good and Tyson Chandler for Elton brand. I mean that is like a crazy challenge trade. That is an amazing trade. That's like it's not quite Luca for trae because those guys were drafted at the same time. But it's like age wise. Those guys were so like Elton was twenty. One I think at the time of that trade that you don't see a lot of traits like that and Elvin was to walk in the League as twenty and ten guys really really hard. Well the other thing Tyson was a local kid and I think people felt like the clippers. We're GONNA take the local kid day. Didn't WanNa take another kid and they don't even though he was only head into his third year. I think is just you know he. He's now that he was always kind of a mature younger guy and I think they they really valued that In unbelievable trade really like would you think of all the bad trades. Elgin Baylor made and how great that one was. You talked about how he was underrated. We talked about this a little bit. Nine pod Elton in that Oh five oh six quicker season when they really could have made the finals that year. I think I was going to those games. L. Was like twenty five and eleven every single night and was weirdly valuable on defense to I. I thank God that your was mobile. He was smart. He has super long arms. That made up for like kind of his lack of fight. At least when he played some five he was like in August that year. He was amazing that was his best year and then he was automatic. Other than that. You're twenty and ten. Before he tours Achilles he was he was a walking twenty and ten. Who was a good smart defensive player and you could go to him at least that you're at the end of games which wasn't always the case with him but that year he he was. I gotta say a Little Dunkin Ish Is that was? The Dunkin. Apex was kind of on the tail end but he was somebody that every night. I went to a Cook Gamma Dombrowski scored twenty five points tonight. There weren't a lot of guys in the week and then Philly does sing. About what Philly does he tears his Achilles and we're still all in we're still here's all the money or almost all the money not quite all the money but almost all of them. I think it was not going all the money we can throw at you. Yeah you just suffered a torn Achilles. We'll bring you over. I'm actually reading Audrey with dollars book right now and Andre. I loved Elton Brand. He loves he loves it. He got to play with like old out and Brandon Philly and he really gravitate toward L. andbranch learn a lot about managing money and just like to talk black history with all sorts of stuff but he talked about how I believe. If I'm getting all my details right if not forgive me I believe Eddie Jordan was the coach in Philly for part of that and they were trying to play the Princeton offense and Andre talks about how Elton occasionally would be like fuck this Princeton off and I just got. I just got to get some numbers I gotta get some touches. I gotTa Get some post touches and Andre had this weird like he kind of. Didn't like it when Elton break the offense. Because it's not how I'm not a Princeton offense again. Just give me the ball dumped me the ball and get a score bucks but he also kind of respected. How Elton would just be like nope. It's my it's my time now. We're not ready to prison off. It's L. E. Kinda respected it Isla. I really liked his game. Great Trade for the clips So one other thing. Which cargo did this year where they're in year three of the post? Mj rebuilding project. Which in the M J documentary. That's coming on. Espn from our friend. Jason Hare it. It's never truly bent. Explained why the Bulls were like. Yeah cool we're done with this done winning titles with Phil Jackson Jordan. Pippen thing like it ends this year And I wrote a column for US probably three years ago when I was trying to figure out what team Lebron was gonna go to in two thousand eighteen When it became clear like around January February that he probably wasn't going back to Cleveland. But where was it going to go? We didn't have a team and it was the same dilemma Jordan. Had that year and I'm always going to think that's why he retired. Because they're blowing up the bulls play anywhere else. There wasn't really a situation for him other than maybe the next the next nab the cap space to sneak them in he. He wasn't GonNa the Lakers. He wasn't really. There is no other place from Nagoya so he retired and I think that was a little bit of the situation. Lebron was in two thousand eighteen. He goes to the Lakers. Because it's Los Angeles Great. I get to move there. Basically the two thousand eighteen season is gonNA sock but maybe we'll make some moves after that So anyway a I never understood why they blew it up. I think there was a lot of organizational arrogance. We're in year three of that. Mj Blow a plan. And now they're blowing it up a second time. They're doing building around the too high schoolers. And when you think about how long this took. They made the playoffs in five with a lot of fun team first round. They were a little frisky. Had some guys in there but it was a six year. Run just to lose in six in round one. And then it craters again they end up getting derrick rose and then they get rejuvenated but it was really. They threw a decade stu bad it's hard the NBA can be unforgiving man. What's your bad if you don't get the right guy in the draft. If you don't get lucky a couple of times like you can be bad for a long time and the Bulls were bad for long time. Then they were good for a long time as much as Garen. Packs are getting hammered now and demoted now like they they had a decent run there for a while before the last few years kind of Senate around the Butler trade where everything kind of went sour. I mean they they they. They had once they got rose. That was a good team for a while. Yeah and it seemed like if you were betting When it rose get hurt was at that was two thousand. Twelve playoff say eleven twelve season. Yeah so we at grant land. We launched Grantland June two thousand eleven and we never did this calm but if we did like who are the teams most likely to win the NBA title? We had done that October. Two or two thousand eleven. Whenever the lockout ended I think Chicago would have been one of the top three packs. I think we were Cog Oklahoma City Miami right. That's an injury that for anyone who was. That's that's a sort of a that's a you remember where you were when that injury happened because it was like it was a great. They were the number one seed. It was shaping up to be. Chicago and the Lebron heat like year after year after year in the playoffs. And you had the sense of the Bulls like they just. They didn't fear Miami. Like Noah and Taj Gibson. Those dudes like love to duke it out with Miami. They hated the Bron- like it had a chance to be a rivalry. And I think that's one of the things when people look back on the bronze salmon. Miami is the East like Indiana sort of just slipped into this in the east and I think we're going to be debating for a long time. Like how good was that. Pacers team really that good or were the product of the conference. That just didn't have another capital t team to to challenge Miami like the Bulls are supposed to be that team and you had even though as an ACL and people recover pretty well from those. Now I even at that moment given the way. The Derrick rose played it. Had this feel of like ooh like things just changed forever. I agree eight sometimes with an ACL. You go like Klay Thompson and like he'll be back in the year he'll be fine with rose. It was like taking one of the most carefully built five hundred thousand dollars talion race cars and just watching. It crashed wall and then have somebody to tell you. Yeah the car should be finding like. I don't know man. That was a pretty bad the way he played the Torque put on the lower part of his body. It just seemed like Oh man how is he going to come back from this mentally and as we saw took how many years five I mean for you never got back to it you know. I mean he never got back to that form ever. I mean he was. Mvp Year before he's never approached that that level he's a he's a good player now in the NBA is rebuilt himself into a good useful NBA player. That's the credit to him. Two thousand playoffs. The Celtics ended up creeping into the conference finals and coming very close to sneaking into the finals with their on fumes of their fumes. At this point that team they were like five hundred for a three month stretch. I think in two thousand twelve the the other one the other one that was kind of missed opportunity team Other than Chicago was Brooklyn. Because if I'm just looking at those four Miami years I don't I will never understand what happened to Darren Williams but on paper with the talent they had when they added Cagey impure state year. That should have been an awesome team. And for whatever reason Darren Williams was already done with his prime even though. He was the same age as Chris. Paul if you put like an actual twenty ten Darren Williams the guy from two thousand eight on that nets team with all those pieces. I think that would have been a really tough team for Miami. Beat but he just wasn't the same guy thought going to be really good And they just like you said just it just didn't work. I never I I not. I'm not sure how much believe that. They were going to challenge Miami but they had the potential to be really really good. And Yeah the twenty playoffs. That's the uncut gems playoffs. Now that's the uncut when they slog it out Boston Philly and one of my everyone you you just have these some images just stick with you from Games in like some people forget certain things. Like one of the things always remember from that playoffs. Game seven Miami. Boston Brandon Bass ends up being the guy the Celtics asked to guard Lebron down the stretch of that game and crunch time. Third and fourth quarters like they're out of ideas they've this is the last idea that they've come up with. He had like a few possessions in the previous game where he looks pretty good. They're like Oh yeah Brandon Bass. That's going to be how we're going to get through just like they're just out of ideas. Yeah I remember. Making a couple of massive shots just heartbreaker shots that fourth quarter but yeah all right so the rest of this Top Ten and GOES GOLDEN STATE MEMPHIS and I had in that draft. Ira MEMPHIS takes shame. Badea and stern is a bullion. It's so it's the first time he's happy. It's a four year senior Duke. He's just so happy to have an adult in the draft. The Nets are seven and they make the biggest traders draft other than brand trade. It's a pretty crazy trade actually When you really sit down and look at how much they traded for Eddie Griffin. So they're picking seventh Houston has thirteen eighteen and twenty three and they out I got Freddie Griffin misspoke. Yea So the nets say. We'll give you the Eddie Griffin. Pick number seven who's got a lot of value For the people who don't remember him he's dead now but he was this guy from Seton Hall who had been in a lot of stuff but was really talented mallet so it's like a modern NBA talent to write like a potential multiple. Oh Mba guy. If you could just keep him in check who'd you compare him to do you remember? I don't really remember his game that much at this point but I remember him being a an all around score tall guy you know. I don't know if he was technically seven feet but an all around score. Looks like a guy that you could a guy who a big guy at dependent potential to play inside and out and exploit mismatch is just like across the board. Whoever that whoever comes to mind for that description for some reason I wanna say Michael Porter is that fair to what we have in our head of. How good porter could be that. That's kind of how remember feeling about Eddie Griffin? I think he could post up a little more. So Houston says we'll give you thirteen eighteen and twenty three for seven six three first round picks just to move up six spots which is a bad as big of a price as we've seen other than like the Chris Webber trader support that the nets as sure they have At this point they have already made the Jason Kidd Trade. They are to have any Martin they already have Kerry kittles they end up taking Richard Jefferson thirteenth. So it's going great with the eighteenth. Pick Zach Randolph on the board take Jason Collins Instead and then with the twenty third pick they take Brandon Armstrong for pepperdine yet. Didn't go well and one of those two like one and a half or three Jason calls was a useful. Nba Players Zach Randolph. You can play that game with a lot of guys but like just causes good. Mba DECENT NBA player from a talent standpoint it. It felt like Randolph at fallen too far and he was another guy who people had some head case questions about But they take brain. Strong Gerald Wallace is twenty five. Sandown bears twenty six. Tony Parker's twenty-eight Gilbert Arenas thirty one there's a world in which the nets traded Griffin and built a dynasty. Yeah 'cause they could even if they had taken Richard Jefferson Zach Randolph. Tony Parker which is conceivable That's a monster hall. So then the other plot bears the Celtics have ten ten eleven and twenty one. And if you're a celtics fan which I was at the time I was still living in Boston. They had Paul Peirce St Anton Walker. We've got Rick Pitino We there's momentum. Kenny Anderson was whatever Tony bootees whatever they have role players but you think like man if we nail this draft and it's deep draft We could really be set here unfortunately for the Celtics it was a nine player drafted the tenth pick. So why did somebody bought? Somebody needed to do something dumb in here. Come THE CLEVELAND cavs. They take the sign of Diop eighth and everything falls into place. Joe Johnson falls to the Celtics attend the Cajun Brown. Pick number eleven. You remember the story of this Peck Right. Oh yes so they have a Denver. Pick that they can just roll over two thousand two in. Its top five protected road over again. It becomes unprotected in two thousand three. The nuggets are one of the worst franchises in the league. They have no real young anything yet. They do not have a pick in this draft because the Celtics are taking it to. Something's just said. You keep that pick. We're going to roll it over there. Only get in the eleventh pack and then in o-3. It's Carmelo Anthony. Which is the pick the Celtics Agai the weirdest thing about this to Celtics Deep Divey? But they had all these luxury tax fears and fifty games into this two thousand one two season. They Trade Joe Johnson. Apparently they gave Phoenix to pick Joe Johnson or CAJA BRAND. You can have either. They pick Joe Johnson. The Celtics throw in two thousand and two first round. Pick and get Rodney Rogers. Tony delk back. They're so excited that you brought up that trade because I remember at the time this is near the Celtics. Make the conference finals and lose to the nets. I remember at the time twenty five year. Old Twenty four year old me. Then he got twenty Belkin Rodney. Rogers as you said Tony. Delk was twenty eight and like okay. Rodney Rogers like a very intriguing. Both faceted big man who could shoot threes and do some stuff. I remember at the time being like that is one of the most aggressive win now trades. I can't remember given the like that. Celtic seem wasn't that good like that wasn't a team that you would be like. They're they're Rodney Rogers away from being a championship. Contender was that was not being like the east stinks. Were not very good. Let's get freakin crazy. And that trade. In retrospect like Belkin Rogers had some moments for the Celtics in that very strange playoff. Run that they had like that is a crazy trade. That's a crazy trade Chris Wallace I remembered liking the trade at the time But thinking they paid a heavy price with Joe Johnson and never for a million years understanding why they also had to throw in the first round pact. You were produce. This is probably why they did it. Because they're so starved for that at that point from for like post bird anything like poachers. Give us a playoff run of any kind. Yeah will lose in the conference finals. But it'll be worth it because they'll just be so fun like teams talk themselves into that and the Patriots just won the Super Bowl. Did they changed at one or did they win the Dow? I know what I really. There's a lot of a minimum of like the Celtics are good. The Celtics are fun. Forget these other to pieces. Maybe a win. The problem is they traded for to bench guys. And you're right. This is a trade that if it happened now the Internet would riot. You'll be like Joe Johnson's good you're giving him for. You're giving up a Joe Johnson after fifty games for like a seventh man and an eighth man. What are you guys doing like nowadays? They would never do that. You'd probably be able to get both of those guys for the two thousand two first round pad yet and Joe Coretec tag and yet there are Celtics fans. Maybe you are one of them. Who Will Whisper very quietly? You know we actually. Kinda played the Lakers. Tough that year. If we had made the finals like you never know you never know. I'm like yeah. I know shock would have smashed her entire team into smithereens and four games. Will you still here man if we had just gone by the net? You never know we give those Lakers seems trouble in the defense of those celtics that which include myself with my dad. He played the Lakers off of that year. Paul Peirce is a problem for them. We won in La. I wanted to play them. I remember thinking if we just kept by the nets we can give this laker steamer run. It would have been that. Oh to Lakers team. That was worn out for that kick series two. Who Does Paul Pierce Get taught Okay so we had that. So plot so celts have ten eleven and twenty one and a chance to really really really lay the groundwork. There's a ton of rumors in Boston at the time. They're gonNa Take Tony Parker number twenty one. He came on my podcast. I think in two thousand thirteen in I'd always heard they're gonNA take him so I I asked him and you can find this clip. I think it's on Youtube. How close was it? He said they gave him the hat he still. Does it? Totally know what happened from when they gave him the Celtics at? You're going to get caught up to the stage. To all the sudden the Celtics took Joe Forte. There's been a lot of blame passing. That's gone around Chris. Wallace almost immediately was like that was read our backs. Favor repairing the draft Joe Forte was at the radar. Back Camp I still feel like radar. Back was an eight year old man at that point. Where are you listening to him on? The twenty-first packed like do. What's best for your team? The Parker would if of this because there's so many different things that play out. He falls to twenty-seven the spurs end up winning. How many more titles? Because he falls to twenty-seven could you I don't envy P he's A. Tony Parker is the two thousand seven finals. Mvp with thing. Is I think Dunkin. The over unders probably three for titles. He just should win because he was tim. Duncan I think I think Parker adds to could be. I think that pick adds at least two. Titles 'cause two thousand fourteen also would be one. Yeah and then I would say maybe oh five or seven one of those. He swings one of them. So so that happens. So those were the The big subplots So I have a scrap rating crapshoot rating for every draft. Okay in retrospect what what what kind of crafts you was an a scale one attend. I gave this a seven point. Five seems lower. I'm a redraft standpoint. Yeah it's it's it's because I mean need the two thousand draft is infinity. Draft is a ten. So you know I'm A. I'm a hard grader. For comedy standpoint. Some great ones here. This is a draft telecast where they use rip. Petito as a TNT guest analyst. You love it. Not sure whether they did that he was. Guy Traded Vitality Papago for unprotected lottery. Pick but The Bulls to get current number four. Rick Pitino congratulated Jerry Krause on a successful bluff and I said that and I said in the draft. That's the kiss of death when Patino part of your Patino animus was very fresh in raw. It's fresh and Ron. Two thousand twenty my friend. So that that's the moment when it occurs around At Number Twenty Six amd Albert got selected by the sixers came out of the stands. Yup To my knowledge. The first time this ever happened. Nobody has time. Yeah so it's amazing. Like security to take them out thinking he was like some crazed fan but it was actually saying. Oh Dal unbear- Spoilers Sam. Del Bears in my Redraft Lottery Oh we hope so. He shouldn't a lottery pick for me and then Do later in the draft Patino called. Tony Parker Troy Parker Multiple Times. And then when when Parker actually got taken in the twenty seven th pick at Berkeley and this draft and he said I don't know that much about him but they got him in the first round so he must be a good player. This is when networks just did not care who is doing the draft. It's like you're famous. Huby Brown is in this draft for some reason More of that. Tony Parker pick the lore on one end is definitely read are back Blandford Boston. Not Picking Tony Parker and the lower on the other end is that was the that was the time the young Sam frosty was like I'm staking my claim. This is the guy we should take in San Antonio. That's the young that the legend I you know Sam. I don't know that he's never talked publicly about if he did. I'm sure he went deflect credits everyone else but the story that has been told in the media and elsewhere is that's that's young. Prestia was the guy who brought Tony Parker in for a second workout. 'cause he bombed the first one popped in like him like this. I'm staking my reputation. This is a good player. Let's take him. Would you put that above or below Russell Westbrook in two thousand eight? Which was a huge reach when they did that. The other people that wanted to take Brook Lopez's instead I mean anytime you're in the well it works. It's twenty eight makes it seem more impressive like last pick in the first round but also by then it's sort of like your risk is a little bit lower because if you blow the twentieth pick no one ever remembers that if you blow the fourth pick and it's a reach people really remember that. I thought the Westbrook pick was really Bazi. Resilient I've talked about when did the two thousand draft I loved Westbrook and college never millionaires? Thought he was a top floor pick. He just seemed like a little bit of a project as a guard was unclear. What position he was. He clearly something but I mean they took a had a steph curry and Brook Lopez and people that we knew we were going to be good pros. Yeah I think I think I'm buying into your argument. That the Westbrook pick is ball's ier just because aware took place in the draft. I'm GonNa Steph Curry Kevin Curry and Kevin Advising Steph Curry's in my favorite draft. Yeah we're doing that for your part couple- couples Zack's from Zach. Cram the ringer zone. He said the two thousand one draft six all NBA players. Ninety six is the only draft in the laterally with more sediment. Oh Wow okay. The average player from the two thousand one draft tallied twenty six point one career wind shares the fourth most the latter era behind ninety six three and ninety nine okay. Kwami Brown averaged six point. Six career points third worst for any number one picks since the invention of the shot clock trailing only can yes although a candy no he he put up buckets. He was like double figures for his career. Yeah you're right now. There's one easier one my blanking on it. I'll give you hint hint. Anthony Bennett. Oh wow see I was. I was trying to wrack my brain further back than that. Y- Anthony Bennett. That's the that's the other one. You won't get Larue Martin. The Guy Portland a famous one. Anthony Bennett yet. That's a bad one. That's crazy draft to get out and that's a fun draft Zach says Gilbert Arenas ranks tenth in total career. I've been peaked value. If you look at their best five seasons he ranked second from this draught. That's the biggest difference for any player in any draft in the latter era. While tell you I'll tell you right. Now he's going high on Zach Lowe a drought there you go and then our top drafted this year. Mo- Evans the Immortal Jafari of moon like Jamaica mood and Carlos Arroyo who had like a cup of coffee of saving really good there for a while then became good international eleven fan but I remember remember that one year was that Carlos Arroyo kind of looks like John Stockton Great Fiba Player to okay and then that's it all right. We're doing the redraft. You went the first pick of the second. Pick Golden State draft. Oh boy I'm gonNA give you the first pick your the guest. Okay years giving it to me Do I. It's almost like with David. Stern gave the Knicks. That number. Pick in Nineteen eighty-five then pretended he was pulling out of. I think this is an easy one. PALCA soul is the first pick in the draft for me. Make the case. Do I mean do I have to spell castle? That's my that's my the only competition is Tony Parker To me the only competition is Tony. Parker's paolantonio it's everybody else. I soon. We'll be picking Tony Parker now and I just think size all around skill I was a good defender. At peak and underrated defender at his peak is passing his ability to blend in any offense. Yes it was funny when we do these exercises. I'm kind of drafting like halfway for what the NBA was like then and half way for what the MBA is like. Now so yeah POW POW wows game I think is less fitted to twenty twenty NBA. Then like twenty Parker's gamble though. Tony Parker never became an off the dribble. Three point shooter I just think POW better. I think peak Powell was better than peak. Tony Parker period. That's it that's my case. They've they've made the same number of all star teams. Statistically I mean you know Powell had a few more points whatever I just I just think house better power comes in as a rookie puts up seventeen point six points nine rebounds two blocks a game thirty six point seven minutes a game and Joe. House is just going insane in that. They took me Brown. He's going to these wizards games going. Kwami Brown looks like he needed like four more years of college. Go to college and spend all four years there before something happens. Powell is good immediately and from two thousand to two thousand sixteen which is fifteen years and a thousand fifty five games. He played thirty five minutes a game. He averaged an eighteen and a nine and a half and almost two blocks. Six kids are sentenced to Damas Parker. So I went back and forth really really hard on this and I gave. Parker was number one on my board. Wow I like it. I mean look. It's you can make you can make the argument peak. Tony Parker was a was a an all. Nba Level Player mcpeek. Tony Parker was a great great player. Here's my case and this is just you know I like to hold grudges and to ends and I and sites I never liked how ended the Memphis thing. It really bothered me. I don't think he gets enough of a penalty for in historical thing. I think he was an incredible player. I really liked him. I thought he was the two thousand ten finals. Mvp He never won it. But I thought he was the best part in that series. I thought he was absolutely immense in game. Seven which resigned recently nineteen eighteen rebounds. It's the Mohegan four engaged the most important game of pogo souls career in the NBA. That was egging. I sat behind the basket that they were scoring on in the second half for game seven because I was doing like a live chat. Espn thing which. I wish. I had I wish I had written about that series. Instead the live chat thing but Kazaa was a fucking man in that game he really was and he's going against there's no Kendrick Perkins Perkins is hurt going against Keiji. Who's eighty five percent of Cagey at that point? Eighty three. He's going against a pretty spirited Rasheed. Wallace sutures burned out late. Thirty five minutes laboring but spirited both at first half spirited second-half needs like a lung transfusion and and There's some was there some big baby that year. There's one other guy that had but you know a competitive celtics team sheltered some cameos in that series. Oh my God. I might've famous. There's a famous Sheldon Williams throwing away. Inbounds pass at the end of the half. It might have actually been game seven where everyone where everyone agreed in the moment like gets like Sheldon Williams. You can't just get out of the premise. Like he just needs to leave. I could in my celtics lifetime. That's only happened a few times in a playoff game. Because I remember one time Fred Robertson the ADA Detroit series. And I think I went to the game. It was game. Five was when the Pistons finally flipped it And somebody fouls out Zig Mikhail fouls out and Fred Robertson. That point. Everyone's just done with them. But somebody asked to come in. And there's like a murmuring of you could just twenty thousand people gone man. I hope it doesn't put in Fred Roberts and Fred Roberts stands up on the bench to go in and the crowd goes no. You could honestly hear it but the Sheldon website was same thing. I think he was like minus eight two minutes in game seven. It was so crazy stat so anyway. I have lots of SPEC FOR POW. I actually thought he was underrated Both on those Lakers teams and just as a pro. I didn't like the Memphis thing and so it was that little I felt like it was like dead even between him and Parker. It's funny by coincidence. I just on Saturday did one of those NBA instagram wives. Things with Powell And I taught so I prepared by talking to people that know pal and we're talking about Memphis. New is like super super frustrated in Memphis. The losing they just weren't going anywhere. They want zero playoff games. They got swept every year in the playoffs. He was there but when he got traded. Somebody told me he was like actually unhappy like his first reaction by going to the Lakers. That he was upset at unhappy heads. Kinda like like did I. Did I play this right and then very quickly realize oh? I'm on an awesome team and then POW POW talked about why he felt though. But it's interesting that we remember it is this as this sort of frustrated guide trying to push his way out of town and then when it happens first reaction is sadness more than elation well and. I think there is a fear at that point plan with Kobe which cannot be understated. You know his. He had those three straight years and he was a difficult teammate. And I'm sure he was like. Oh Shit now it's like I got my wish. I'm on a different team. But now the stakes are going to be different. He fit in immediately with that team. Though people people someone on that team told me no one ever ever before or since picked up the triangle offense faster than POW. It was just instant like he got it. He didn't need to be told anything. You understood it immediately. I don't know what the right pick is with this. So so like the Oh seven grizzlies. They had Mike Miller who was eighteen and a half a game forty one percent from three probably his best year that he had a young gay. They had Damon Stoudamire Chucky Atkins Data Chemo Little Dante Jones. Some late Coretta Jones like wasn't a bad team and yet they went twenty two and sixty and I feel like I just don't think Powell is a number one guy now. I'm not sure Tony Parker was either but I the reason I I had parker slightly higher on my board was he was. He was such an unstoppable offensive guy for so long And like weirdly. You look back at the thirteen finals which we both covered. And there's that moment in game six when he's hurt he's playing with like he had a bad near bad remember and he just takes over with three minutes left. He's playing against one of the best teams we've had in the last twenty five years and he takes over the game and it seems like they're going to win because of all the stuff he's doing. I never felt like Powell is as good as Tony was in that kind of stretch or even Tony in two thousand fourteen Tony. Oh seven finals. Tony's Tony's kind of offensive apex was just I felt a tad higher. But I honestly I feel like this is one a. One B. and I don't feel close. Tony was a twenty points scored twice in his career They'll jump shot. The long three never really came but he did eat adds a monster playoff moments in in game one of that series in two thousand thirteen. He hit the jumper dice game. I mean he was a monster that you're I don't you know I think POW was better. They both made all NBA four times. It's it's an argument so it's a IT'S A. It's a tough argument. It's a great one. Tony Two thousand nine twenty two and seven fifty one percent shooting one of the things I liked about him was that he could have an impact and didn't need to have a high usage rate. This was not like a Russell Westbrook situation. This was like he didn't need the ball that much when he gave it to him. He could score his teammates. Even Alaikum I think other teams really hated playing him you know. How many guys can you remember being like? Oh man they they completely throttle Tony. Parker like it did feel. It always felt like you could get wherever he could go. I remember on Instagram. A couple weeks ago. Somebody had a minute long clip of Tony Parker spin moves the three sixty driving three sixties. He has to peak toy breathtaking yet. He would have stretches where despite not having the sort of vertical athleticism or explosiveness of like a Westbrook. He would have stretches where you would think. How does anyone keep this guy with from the rim like you can't keep them away from the basket which is pretty remarkable series not that bigger stronger athletic dude at the rim to yeah so from an all MBA standpoint? Both of these guys made it right. A four-time all NBA. That's something you and I both value the NBA's 'cause that's basically it's an announcement you're either one of the best ten or fifteen guys in the week. It's really the only document we have that. You're doing arguments matters. All right you have the third pick So if we had done this draft correctly or if the teams in the moment democratically Washington would've had POW Gusau and then. We're Tony Parker to the clippers would grade from the third pick. Seems pretty obvious to me but I am interested to see what you do here. Well I'M GONNA I'm gonNA reach a little bit because he didn't have the best career of of All of these that are candidates for this pick But I'm going with the Zach cramped peak value method. I'm picking Gilbert Arenas because I know that Gilbert Arenas and in his prime now maybe I can't prevent the knee injuries. I Dunno I can maybe prevent some of the other unpleasantness that derailed his career in Washington. Yeah but I know if I'm drafting like I said halfway halfway for now I know I can plug peak Gilbert Arenas new NBA offense and he can run fifty pick and rolls again. Make off the dribble threes and be a guy that is going to make my team on offense at least really really good and so. I'm drafting for peak value on picking Gobert arenas third. I remembered reading some calm when he was on the warriors and kind of not dismissing him but just not gave him credit for being really an essay yet and getting a couple impassioned emails back when people said civilly bills. Instead of just being like you fucking Sauk. Sac Talk You. This is the era of like. Hey I'm GonNa send what my favorite thoughtful email that he might have gotten this wrong and I got all these emails from the worst fans are saying. Hey you should watch Gilbert that Gilbert's coming on in a real way like something's happening here and at that point the worst socked There was really no reason to watch him on league. Pass unless I was like going into the game or they're on TNT or something on my guard. I'll I'll Gilbert a whirl and it was like. Oh what's this going to be? He's going to be a restricted free agent member. They ain't. They changed the rules because of his restricted. Free Agency there is now the Gilbert Arenas rule right so Washington comes in. They come flying in off the top rope and they grab Gilbert and houses like what's going on Mike House I've been. I watched this guy a couple times. This guy is. This is an amazing move for you. You might have gotten whatever but he was actually turned into a superstar like there is probably a two year stretch there where he is on the level of t. Mac and all these guys. And what's interesting is. I actually think Pete. Gilbert was a higher level than any season Vince. Carter had except for that one awesome house one season. Hey honestly like if you're just talking about who did more offensively Euler. Gobert Gilbert Jr is brought more of the table. Pete Gilbert was twenty nine and six on like eight threes or seven threes a game which in two thousand and sixty thousand seven. There weren't many people shooting seven or eight threes. A game We'll look at look at his two thousand six season and tell me the two things that jump out seven threes again. Seven attempted threes again. Thirty seven percent and ten free throws Ten game so he's basically he's hardened james hearted two thousand six but there's no possessions back that people remember how slow was back then twenty nine and six and so like the the hardest thing to find in the NBA is a legitimate offensive fulcrum who can be the number one guy every possession on an above average offense. I was he your pick for three at three You have the floor. It was either him or Joe. Johnson Gilbert for three years from five toast. Seven was twenty eight and six years peak value. And I'm just. I'm imagining that. My team has a healthy team culture. We're going to nurture all we're GONNA make all the right decisions off the floor on the floor. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA WE'RE NOT GONNA be we're not going to be the jail blazers we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA WHO's relevant for one of the Pixel. It's coming up a we're GONNA have a good culture. I'm going to get the best Gilbert Arenas for a decent amount of time. Oh six that series against Cleveland. That was just Kinda Of Really Fun Playoffs and that was a fun series six games. He plays forty seven point three minutes a game. Ridiculous in the six playoff games. Thirty four points. A game lead the lead the player but went toe to toe with With Brian and what are the things I liked about him and where I think you know he was all MBA third team? Third Team Second Team for three straight years. Vince was Vince. Doesn't have anything like that. Three or stretch one of the things I liked about him is he really honestly believed. He was better than Lebron James in the pleasures. Those wizards teams were just so they wanted all of it. They want they wanted everything. Bring everything on. I think I don't think that's the wrong. Pick 'cause you you at least know you're getting four top fifteen seasons of guy. I thought I had Joe Johnson kind of three eight three B with Gobert. Couple things Joe He. He made seven all star teams which I was shocked by. He only made one third team on bay. His name is on. It is almost seven time. All Star. Joe Johnson. I mean that's almost like how people refer to him for that reason because people on the all stars next to each other like how did he make the spending all star teams the Job Johnson? The Joe Johnson Hall of fame debate is going to be frisky. It's GONNA BE A. There's going to be people who are like Joe Johnson. And then they're going to be like well twenty thousand point seven. All Star Games. Whatever whatever it is. There's it's going to be like if you you have to let in Joe Johnson and Tom Chambers. If you're letting Joe Johnson Tom Chambers then has to get in I think but His First Five Hawks seasons twenty two five and six I was shocked by his stats on the o five sons. A team that I really loved watching he He was forty seven percent from three that year. Taken like five game and when he gets hurt That to me. That's the big. What if Joe Johnson in the case for him for being the third pick in this draft is if he just stays with Steve Dash? Just how about this? Stay with the best point guard and one of the best teammates we've had in the last thirty years on a style that's uniquely suited to all the things. You're good at to stay there. Stay there and be in contention. He goes Atlanta. And it's just like or pay or a him if the blame the sun's pay him keep him do whatever it takes to keep him. 'cause it is remarkable that you know the Celtics stratum is a rookie in that deal. We talked about earlier and then the son's when he's still very young are like yeah or did they just can't work it out and so he ends up on this sort of like it does. Nba Backwater at the time. The hawks get really good. That hawks team like everyone sort of looks at them as this poster team for like upper crust mediocrity like. It'll you don't Wanna be the Joe Johnson Hawk skin out in the second round all the time but like that was a good team. There's a there's a good NBA team and he was well. The keep thing with Joe Johnson the contract kind of overwhelmed half of his career. He made so much money and it was so ridiculous that he just became overrated and he wasn't over e game based on what I want for the two guard position Here's a guy who can score twenty two twenty two points a game and he'll make four out of every ten threes like that good. That's what makes the next five or six picks interesting. Is that drafting from the perspective of twenty twenty. You have Joe Johnson. Richard Jefferson. Jane Batty Jason Richardson Wings. Who like now you'd be like? Yeah Joe Johnson played two three four like they all shoot. Threes there multi positional. And then you have like you have some guys who are more old school like Zebo or Tyson Chandler. Like how do you but had really great career? So how? I'm curious to see how we valued those sort of attributes. The Joe Johnson thing was the Celtics is tough because you just like came in if him and Paul Pierce together. It's not exactly the same but it's it's reminiscent of the tatum Brown Combo they have now or every team in the league would be like. Oh I'd love to have to win guys like that. I just build around those guys for ten years in you look back retroactively to go. They'd Paul Pierce Joe Johnson. And they just had that for twelve years. That seems like they should want to do that. And he was gone after fifty. Yeah I had Joe Johnson forth on my board after arena so we have the same top four guys in a different order but I joe Johnson for all right. So you're up you're got the fifth pick I went back and forth a lot of times on this for the reasons I just talked about about position on versatility and all that but in the end I just thought the raw talent of Zach Randolph couldn't be denied at this pick and even though he's not sexy in the position versatility shooting threes. He actually got off to quite a slow start in his career in Portland but I think at some point you just have to say he's the best guy of these guys he's the most talented guy and I'll find a way either to play inside out around him or maybe all coax him into shooting threes way earlier in his career than didn't really shoot threes into the last couple years of his career. Probably could have been a decent three point shooter if teams had actually directed his game that way and I will have a good healthy culture on my team for Young Zach. Randolph there is not gonNA be jail. Blazers Shenanigans going on so I- debated RJ debated batty as sort of like al-shabaab. Da Does win you know I debated a couple of other guys but I just went at some point. Eight straight years averaging eighteen points a game just a problem Zach. Randolf was a problem and so I went Zebo. I had him there as well. Twenty ten guy for from two thousand Ford through two thousand eleven the thing. So it's funny. He got he's at Portland. Gets traded is a key traits form. Everybody's like well that's the dumbest thing ever GonNa play Isaiah. Nettie Your Eddy Curry Zach randolf together and Isaiah was doing that. Whole the rest of the league's getting faster and has more shooting ominous zig the other way. I'M GOING TO GET BIGGER. And it was a disaster immediate going bully ball and it was like wow the and all the relatively smart basketball people like. He can't play those guys together. There'll never work defensively. You'RE GONNA get destroyed like please don't do that. He tried it. I went back and read old clips and it was. It was a trip to see New York Times. Era Howard back after twenty games writing. I guess scouts around the League are like one of these guys has to come off the bench. Because it's not working out with Eddie. Korean Zach Randolph. And like David Lee is getting lost in the shuffle. It's a disaster foof so he gets traded the clippers. I had season tickets. That was the era almost gave up my season tickets. After the season I run a diary of going to a game where it ends with their down to Zach Randolph. Airballs twenty nine footer. Coming out of a timeout to the game at that point there was Zach Randolph. Stock was like a penny. I would have not wanted Zach Randolph. Stock I was just like this guy's a loser puts a empty calories stats on bad teams. And that's where I'm landing but you look at that Memphis. He GOES TO MEMPHIS. Got Memphis. Got Him and it's just a straight salary like please take saccharin up. There were Quentin. Richardson was in that dealers. Like other stuff but Memphis got him for essentially free right they get him but I think that two thousand eleven season He's twenty and twelve and it goes into the playoffs and this is one of the loss. Great playoff upsets. 'cause we the Spurs now from eleven through fourteen. There's this second spurs run that's happening and in eleven they get just derailed by this crazy Memphis team. That's terrible matchup for them. For whatever reason I think they easily could have made the finals at year. Two thousand twelve. They're about to make the finals. And Okay see taps into this unbelievable potential they Dan. I'm not making it two thousand thirteen. They're up five with twenty seconds left. Blow it and then two thousand fourteen. They finally win but man. If you look back at that spurs run the over under for titles is easily to. It might even be two and a half. Considering what else happened in the League at that point and this two thousand eleven it was fucking bonkers memphis not only upset them. It was legitimate. It was like if those teams played twenty times. Eddie Memphis wins like fourteen or fifty. And just everything about it was a bad match up but a Jew. Nobody was injured and I believe the last game of the regular season that year. He heard his arm against Phoenix. I want to say miss the first game of that series in and but what people don't remember as much is the Spurs. Were coming off first round loss in. Oh nine getting drilled off the floor by the sons and the second round two thousand ten then they win sixty one gains in its discreet feel-good story and they lose in the first round. Yeah nobody's injured. There's like you know like some extenuating circumstances but that series after those two previous playoff series. That was a time when people were like. Maybe that's it like that. Losing a one eight series. Who's like people didn't see the twelve thirteen fourteen? Run COMING AFTER THAT SO I don't look at that necessarily as like one continuous run. I look at two thousand twelve particularly when they got. Do as the start of sort of a new identity of what the spurs were going to be. And you could see sprinkling you could. You could see coming in two thousand ten twenty eleven but when they lost that series that was when people most started loudly saying maybe it says over like maybe they're they're run as a championship. Contender is over and that totally wrong. They add collide. That summer. To the draft isn't isn't all sin Alzheimer Asphalt Alzheimer. I still think there's a world where the Spurs make the finals in eleven 'cause then the other thing that happened was member they're talking about. Do we trade? Tony Parker. Tony Parker might be the table. They ended up trading George show instead but there was a whole case for a while. They just lost the first round again. Got Shake it up. Maybe they maybe Parker as the most values in his prime and they flip show for the rest of that series was also the Marcus. All breakout series. Fourteen and twelve against the spurs in that series. And then just classic Tony Allen trick or treat toy kind of evolved into the The full fledged Tony. All right so I guess you got to six pick and now it gets really interesting so we went Palca Saal Tony Parker Gilbert Arenas Joe Johnson Zach Randolph. I'm taking Tyson Chandler with the six pack. Oh and here's my case. I think his career if you played it twenty times this is probably one of the worst versions of it. He goes to that Weird Chicago team. nothing goes right. Just you know hurts his back. That's a huge setback. gets traded to New Orleans with Chris. Paul great this is this is GonNa be awesome has a couple of good New Orleans years for them in. Oh eight he was almost. He was twelve and twelve regular season Sixty two percent shooting and then at some point he ends up on. Its UP ON CHARLOTTE. Do you remember why he ended UP ON CHARLOTTE? Do we have a record of that? Did he sign with them? transactions own involved traded at traded straight. Up for Mecca. Okeafor Makoko for this right. Yeah and up in Charlotte but then if you remember. There's this unbelievable fork in the road with him. Were okay for him. Yeah and then vetoes the trade because of a physical and he almost ends up on this team with the Baka durant and Westbrook as the Kendrick Perkins piece they would have kept Jeff. Green Trade for somewhere else says a couple of forks in the road there where I just feel like man in a different situation. He's better asked. Think as like a screen enroll guy in two thousand twenty. If you take mid-2000s Tyson Chandler. I think something happens there to other cases for him he's thirteen mile. Mba in two thousand twelve for the Knicks and then in the in the Dallas series even though the stats don't really measure the full impact. He's one of the reasons they won. That Dow the Miami Finals with a the defense of him and Marianne and just the way there was all the while. He was insanely good in those finals. Defensive Yeah Insanely Good. Anyone defensive player of the year once for the next Probably so he's basically he's basically a ten and ten from the two thousand three season all the way through two thousand seventeen. He's eleven and twelve for those fifteen years. And I just I like the longevity and I do think that. And he's also a great teammate. Beloved teammate by all counts Right Jeffrey. Here not a lot of bad. Tyson Chandler stuff out there. I was probably low rough. Phoenix was rough I you know Dallas Round two. He had a he had moments in Dallas round. Two for the two thousand fourteen fifteen mavs. I ended up. He's basically at a different point in his career at that point. Yeah I ended up taking him much lower than not much lower but a few spots lower than you did because I think you nailed it right the first thing you said if you play out his career this is one of the worst versions of it like he wasn't good in Chicago. It's like if you boil down. Tyson Chandler Career. The heiser really high like he's an NBA champion. Uses the defensive player. There is a criticize the keystone of an NBA championship defense. But his game never changed it all right like Tyson Chandler. This is how you have to play on offense. He just has to screen and roll. That's it you can't play any other style. We can't do anything else but he did. Great and you're really getting like if you boil it down. He had five good seasons. Maybe six the to New Orleans Seasons C. P. and then Dallas Knicks Knicks after that the decline Kinda came fast and given his his one dimensionality on offense and his relatively may be abbreviated peak. I had him a little bit lower but I loved Ice Chandler. So I you know I. I don't feel strongly about my six seven eight nine order but I did. I had him lower than you. The one thing I one thing with channel forgot to mention I think if he had a really good point guard it's a little light dandruff Jordan st and Marcus Camby. There's certain guys is like if if you if they're just the recipient of somebody else's brilliant stay actually are going to be much better and the stuff. I thought he was great on those orlands teams. But if you're a lot catcher and you're playing at that time with the best lob throw in the NBA and David Wests. Stretch FOR INSTALL. Yaacob pitches involved like you're just going to be rolling into open space. And you're going to thrive and same thing with maps like smart offense dirk at the four like you're going to be rolling open space. But think about him on the as view took two thousand Chandler and put him on that two thousand Twenty Lakers team in the Dwight. Howard Chevelle spot. That's like the ultimate situation firm. Anyway all right. You're up seven thick I went now. You get since you've taken Tyson Chandler off the board. Now you get three wings who I have all right next to each other and Richard Jefferson And Jason Johnson. I flirted with taking batty a here. Because of just how long he was like a an elite stopper on defense in one of sort of not original but one of the version. Two Point Zero of three and D guys But I just I I went with Richard Jefferson in this spot. Because I how I I just thought he's he's Twenty points scored three times in his career. Seven straight years. Fifteen plus feel like decent defender that I could have got to defend it in elite level of in like multi-positional no all star teams on these guys are made any all star teams But I just thought upside I'm taking. Rj is a two way player who can create off the dribble and run in transition. Maybe post the occasional mismatch can do more on offense and Shane. Batty can do was a good three point shooter so I went upside of Richard Jefferson. Plus because you get old you get old. Richard Jefferson. You get two thousand. Sixteen Finals Cagey veteran. Who can actually play a game seven? Richard Jefferson the but the like from age twenty nine to that finals was rough for Richard. Like the the decline happened. It came Fast Spurs your Richard Jefferson. Warriors Your Richardson. Lega wasn't it wasn't great for a while so I went but I went. Rj in this spot at seven. Beloved Teammates I. I thought the I had Jason Richardson. The highest of those three. I'M GONNA make I had. I had them the lowest those three. I'll be interested. Maybe we should do a twitter vote. Who would you in the redraft? We could put those three guys. 'cause I I had the same thing I had. Those three guys together is trying to figure it out. Here is the case for Richardson. So you take Richardson eight them. In the end this March I'm taking him eighth Oh seven warriors at some. He had some Monster Games in the. We believe run electric team in the playoffs. Eleven playoff games thirty nine minutes a game. He was nineteen and seven took seven and a half threes. A game of the. Oh seven playoffs so I just felt like if you're extending forward until we play basketball now it'd be even better 'cause you know he's jacking up the thing that really pushed it over the top for me other than you know. I just think he was a better. The Best Player of those three guys like just you know he averaged twenty two a game golden state no sex for seven five games but I remember I was friends with Steve Kerr by the time. The two thousand ten sons team really rolled into a team. That almost made the finals and unexpectedly in lots of ways and I remember when they traded for Richardson. Just talking to Steve about it at the time and he was like this guy's such a good player we had no idea and I knew Nash a little bit at that point because we're doing thirty and he was like we had no idea rich. Was this good. He just not only does he fit in with all this stuff we love to but we can actually like throwing the ball and he can create a shot and you look at the The playoffs that year they played sixteen playoff games. He was twenty and five forty seven point five percent from three. So He's another guy that I if you played his career twenty times. I wonder how many times there's a better version of what we ended up with. Where basically he's he's stayed in Charlotte for the first eight years of his career. Those teams sucked. I don't know I don't quibble with it. I you could throw these three wings in any order you want. I had them all ahead of ice in Chandler. Just because I'm drafting with a little bit of an eye on twenty twenty versatility I just I I just. I never quite trusted Jason Bridgeton. Big Spot I just remember summaries. I never I just never. Maybe I'm maybe the missed box out. He had for Phoenix in game. Five of those conference finals when are test tips in the Kobe? Air Ball his color. Neva's standards Unifem but the we believe thing was like found money that was just feel good fun times and they were a really good team I just I just kind of never trusted Jason. Richardson like a just a big big. Big Spot never trusted them so I had. I had him after bad here so I will then take batty with what we had the ninth bake. I'll take batty knife. Can I give you two Trades Jason? Richardson was involved. But they're easy is involved in a huge trade with Gilbert Arenas so in two thousand eight Richardson and Jared Dudley to Phoenix for Raja Bell. Boris diaw Sean. Single Terry Steve Curtis winning. Winning trade gets basically the best two guys that are trade. Because Boris Boris kind of create. A little bit there and then in two thousand ten December. He's traded with Earl Clark and heater Turkoglu to Orlando for Vince. Carter Marsin Cortott Michael Patriots. And a two thousand eleven. I A lot of stuff in that trade. I don't even remember that he goes. That's that's a three team trade in Gilbert Arenas in that trade to Orlando as well That's there's a whole bunch of stuff going that's not in my basketball reference page. Then he's also he was in the insane trade Right near the end of the two thousand twelve Olympics when all the sudden Dwight Howard was traded. You look at it in the white our trade. There's so many names in that trade. The on his Basketball reference page. It's like a giant paragraph like a war and peace pair of everything up in front of you. Yeah Batty Ninth Pick. I think it's fair. That gets good value. I think Couple things have to be mentioned. Just quick with him. He's basically the the George Washington of advanced metric basketball players right. The Michael Lewis. Piece about why Daryl chose him over route again. That's all star right. He becomes the moneyball baseball. Whoever the guys on the Oakland A.'s were Michael Lewis wrote about for that Scott Aberg I his two thousand twelve finals game. Abs ARE TWO THOUSAND. Thirteen finals game seven. They needed somebody to get hot. Who Wasn't Lebron James? Somebody to make some threes. Who's either GONNA BE HIM? Mario chalmers Array Allen and if one of those three guys that have made some threes. They're losing and he got hot but remember. We were working that year in member. We talked to him during that finals member. How bummed out he was. He was saying you went. You went. He was like barely playing. And then we were asking him like what's going on man you cool and he just had that look like there's so much I wanna say but I'm not WANNA upset the apple cart but well. Let's fuck man. I'm not playing. Look at this game log last. Three Games Against Indiana and the conference finals eight minutes. Four minutes D. N. P. I four games of the final six minutes. Five minutes eight minutes eight minutes. Then he's up to seventeen twelve and then in game seven twenty nine minutes six threes end. Razi game seven and honestly. That's why they win. Because that game was was a two point game with a minute left at say that tonio the ball and if he doesn't make fig if he goes oh for eight or one for eight they lose so so I I had him. I think shame bad is a winning basketball player so I had him a little harder but I will say I had him seventh on my board but I will gladly accept him with the Ninth. Pick in this draft. I handler in Richardson. Yeah I went back. I went. Rj Six body seven j rich eight Tyson Chandler nine. I can't wait to see who you pick ten well for everyone scoring at home. There's now a drop off. We have now and as the GER Joan Wallace memo. Ochre trae Murphy Eddie. Curry Vlad. Red Bandaged kwami Brown sandown. Bear Jamaal Tinsley Earl Watson Carlos Arroyo. Yeah we can we can probably be. Yeah we're we're we're we're in the homestretch. I I really enjoyed memo for getting ahead. I thought I was going to reach him tense. He's a no brainer Ted Fiqh. It's it's a guy that for a couple years there was was first of all. He finished his career as a fourteen. And Seven. Which I was surprised by. But then you look at some of the three-point Stats. Yeah an an. Oa to nine combined. Let's throw in two thousand ten to actually So three years on Utah competitive teams and he's forty percent from three taking three point three a Gabe fifteen seven. Be think like nowadays a basketball. He'd be like coveted right teams. After Momma memo core he would be like he was and now would be even more in elites like a really good stretch. Five like memo car was really good stretch. Five that's what he would be. He'd be bombing threes. He would be on offense. He would be Brook Lopez's except he would be taking twice as many threes on defense you would not be Brook Lopez but that he would be a dangerous dangerous player so I had him tenth. No no brainer. Two Thousand Eight playoffs twelve games. They lose to the Lakers round two fifteen and twelve. Does Utah Fun with Boozer and Okoro and de well. Those are fun teams. Fifteen and twelve took four point. Three three is a game thirty seven percent from three so well ahead of his time. Who Knew Memo car a Mike? Buddha Holzer kind of coach would get him today and be like you're taking twelve threes again. You'RE GONNA put pick and pop every play and you're gonNA take a million threes and he got hurt but he's the other piece with him was he was on the Pistons Originally Yup and they kind of fucked it up and they got rid of him and he's somebody that would have helped them in the mid to thousands as they you know went down some of the bigger. He's one of those guys. Where if you have him and you keep him. You're able to transition more smoothly from one era to the next without as much of a a drop off so. I had him tenth to eleventh by the way he played in an all star game. Scott memo was good like I thought about. I thought almost half for fun and have for serious. I thought about taking him even higher than this. So the The Pistons let him go for that summer. They couldn't. I remember. There was something where they could of locked him down and just decided not to It's it's hard when you're that good to carry guys. Who you think are ready to help you win. Immediately but Memo occur was a good. Nba player tours. Kill I believe he also tore his Achilles and that sort of derailed his his His lawyer I forgot he got. He got a ring and four. He played eleven five minutes a game on that. Oh for I am notation player. I have no recollection of one thing. He did in the O. Four finals I watched two of the Games recently. I don't don't remember. They did all right. Who Do you have a? What is this eleven yeah eleven? I went Gerald Wallace Just just if we could ever get the shooting a little better the value like just a guy who can guard everywhere and was you off the court I think The stories about his diet in his habits are pretty. Well known like I but I think on my team we would have been ahead of the curve with personal chefs like delivering stuff to his house. In the off season I would Gerald Wallace a better three point shooter. And just you throw in the defense. Like Joe Walsh was good man. I I have no. I'm fine with him at this pick. What was I? Don't remember? The diet stories is just an ox. Guy Yeah I think he I was a bad eater and And I would have rectified. That he was a really good point when he when he kinda declined. Fast people were yeah. People in the League were not surprised that he declined fast like after age thirty. So he got Rod Strickland Itis. Maybe there was. I was playing fantasy all all the two thousand two thousand ten season he had. He had some good Charlotte. Charlotte teams. Were Weird. They competent there for a couple of years. Captain Jack was involved there a little bit. Yeah but he. He averaged ten rebounds. A game in two thousand ten is eighteen and Ted but I remember hearing a couple of games that year. We have twenty five rebounds or like some crazy and everybody Jerry Wallace. He's see how little you put a little guy on him. He could mash him in the post. Like Prime Gerald Wallace could do a lot of stuff. We can't let Gerald while section of the podcast go without bringing up one other piece Damian Lillard now three player draft three per draft for guy. Billy King. Have you have you ever told the story in a podcast of would of the billy king story or does that she would just do it now? Like the eighty minute mark billy. I have reconciled Reconciled a strong we never like non reconciled but He was one of several NBA figures. Who did not like me on first blush because of you. It had nothing to do with me. It's just that I worked granted. I had the nerve to take a paycheck from you. Who put him in the atrocious? Gm summit as just a regular. He's like a star of the atrocious. Pm Seven Multiple Times. So I it was it was. It was very clear to me that I was being hated. Vicariously us not the only NBA executive to do this It was made no. It was made very clear to me that I was not a friendly presence at the Barclays Center for a little bit. But we got over it. We got over it. He's a very nice guy but Yeah He. He was not the only one and he was friendlier than the other ones. Who who took their anti bill cinnamon out on me. You know it's funny. I always felt like I was job. Performance mean at that point especially like the Li- from like two thousand mid two thousand nine. I don't remember like getting Super Personal. Like with billy king was just like this guy did a bad job like the Joe. Walsh trade is it negligent trade. You're doing your your trading for this guy's contract Portland's delighted to get rid of for any first round pick because you're not even putting the right protections. 'cause de will needed veteran help and like your wallace. The bad trade too stuffy didn't phillies before he got outstare. Like kinda indefensible now. I'm getting mad. The bill king was mad at me. How dare you mad at me for All right Twelve pick only one guy on my board and then it gets dark. I thought Troy Murphy and a couple of good year we are we are in lockstep last. Step Troy Murphy. Is like the the slightly. Jv memo or if you were today people would just make an stretch five. You would shoot a ton of threes. And he was a really good shooter so as you know. My Dad loved any left-handed white guy who reminded him of Dave Collins was. Is The quickest way to my dad's. My Dad was very upset. When they didn't take Troy Murphy with the eleventh pick in two thousand one the Celtics and then as it became pretty clear pretty quickly. That Q Jake Brown was destined for Yugoslavia or Spain or Russia. Or whatever country? Who's GONNA playing in? There is a true murphy year. Oh five yeah. He puts up fifteen eleven for Golden State and sheets almost forty percent from three to sticky. Good three point shooter And then became openly. Good when he got to Indiana 'cause they actually had him shoot the threes and my dad was just furious about Jerry. Murphy you would have thought Troy Murphy was like the next Larry. Bird some man. We miss that. So his career didn't quite pan out that way but man if you look at his two thousand nine season when he's fourteen and twelve and he's taken five threes agape shooting forty five percent from three first career is thirty nine percent three point shooter. A he would have had a better art now. So Trey Murphy underrated yeah. I had him no easily twelfth. Pick and I thought about taking them higher but I just couldn't but yeah he would just shoot a lot of threes. That's why my thirteenth pick. We're getting we're entering the part of the draft where I'm just defaulting to like. Can you do one thing really well in his? That one's shooting right sad so I took a thirteenth. I took Radovich because I was just like I know this guy plugin plays he's a four. You can shoot threes like could he be `Davis Britan's now and NBA just launched tons of threes. Not Quite that quick release may be but I just default into. I know what this guy is. He's good at the most important thing. I'm taking them. Career thirty eight percent three point shooter asset had thirteenth. So now I had the last pick unless you WANNA fifty and pick no so. It's basically Eddie courier. Sam Down Bear so a two enticing choices Sam Poise eight hundred eighty six games peaking with a ten in ten on the sixers Bounced around in a really insane way somehow played for six teams Eddie. The case for him is that that that one eddy curry season where he is falling apart quickly. That one season that. Oh five bowls where he's putting up sixteen game in twenty eight minutes But I mean that. You just can't win with Eddy Curry some taking Sam Dalbar I we had. I had Delaware Fourteen. I think he was a A good all around player. Who could do good shot? Blocker had a little bit of touch like a tiny bit of touch that if nurtured correctly could have been like a decent pick and pop touch Right ran the floor. Good feel for the game. I took him over Eddy. Curry Eddy Curry. The plus minus stats were ugly. Even when he was put up numbers Just because defensively. I didn't I didn't know how to take into account the health issues. That were the reason. The Bulls ended up trading up to the Knicks. Like an all time New York. Next bad trade But I took in Brazil so that so that means picks one and four do not make our revised top fourteen kwami brand or eddy curry not to mention Eddie Griffin and Tucson a Job Rodney. White. He drink brown all fall out of Eddie Griffin off. Which I did I didn't know what to do with Eddie Griffin but they all fought the lottery so we went Kazaa. One Parker two arenas three Joe Johnson four Zach Randolph Five Chandler six Richard Jefferson Seven. J Rich Eight. Shame bad ADENINE. Yes memo ochre. Big winner this pod. Ten Joe Ross. Eleven Troy Murphy. Twelve Rodman Ridge. Thirteen down bear fourteen before we go. Which guy have you still not given up on yet from this draft? Even though all of their careers are over as anyone. You're still kind of holding out hope for This is a great question I always have soft spot for Jamaal Tinsley. Who was the twenty seventh pick in this draft and had some decent years in the NBA in could really pass. So obviously he was a major participant in the malice in the palace. And some other stuff but I'm going I'm still interested in Jamaal Tinsley so mine is I thought that was a great pick. I remember there was a Jamaal. Tinsley Gamer had like at least twenty two assists in a game or some crazy number number. My Guys Bobby Simmons. I not just as easy namesake. Bobby Simmons from you but I just wanted to say in Two thousand five for the QUIP. Sixteen and six forty three point. Five percent from three granted didn't take a ton of threes and then Milwaukee signed him he cashed in And forty two percent from three that year and then he got hurt and his crew was never the same but I really liked. It was a three indeed guy. I think he's the kind of guy that you know. He could have had a Marvin Williams type career where he just played for fifteen years and was a good teammate and made some threes it just kept going and going going gone but he got hurt and it's so funny like guys get Guy One injury. It's just your career's over and it's so unfair. Some guys that happens to other guys are fine like even in the Michael Jordan the documentary. That is coming out next week. He breaks his foot as as a second year guy and like what if he had just continued have problems with that foot for the rest of his career. And we never Michael Jordan used ever know so I feel bad for him because I thought he was good. I if people could've bet preemptively on this podcast they could have won a lot of money I think on. Do they get through ninety minutes without the words? Brian SCALLOP GREENIE. Being uttered at any moment the thirty fifth pick in this draft. Not that he was going to be a candidate for top fourteen given his celtics ties then and now as an announcer you would think scowl one of the Red Mambas would would come up in this. Discussion somehow is probably a top fifteen salary guy from this draft who that's because e e here that one contractor where he made like fifty million for five years or something curry ended up making close to one hundred million. I'm sure Chandler made a Shitload Gobert. Had that one crazy crazy contract that than Otis Smith ended up trading for which was one of the dumbest moves of all time But yeah some guys from this draught cashed. Tony Parker probably at three different fifty to sixty million dollar deals at some point. Probably he probably made in the one fifty to one seventy trans show. Yeah there we go. That was the draft was a fun draft so down the road bringing do. Oh nine with you on your on your part to my favorite o-9 is my in recent vintage. Oh nine is just I just Kinda WanNa redraft the whole thing for like four hours that hold that whole draft is like insane and I love every second because I'm looking forward to that Zach Lowe. Glad you're staying safe. Thanks for coming on pleasures. Always always a pleasure my friend. Thanks for listening to the two thousand one redraft ables with Being Zach Lowe. Stay tuned on this feed will be running at least a couple more redraft ables including the two thousand three redraft with my old nemesis frenemy. Friend Chad Ford. This was the first draft. We really battled over. That's coming up later And you can listen to his brand new podcast that he just launched two if you want to hear even more draft content there. Don't forget about the Bill Simmons. Pack has don't forget about the Rewatch ables where we had We have a couple of new ones this week. Total recalls already up and made. The State is coming later this week in the next week. It's going to get super walk. 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Hour 2: Back On Track?

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Hour 2: Back On Track?

"The. I say come you live from the Hudson river deck at pier. Seventeen vintage Dwayne Wade Steven what was your reaction to that buzzer beater last form? You know, we go back a long ways. And, you know, this is it for this is it for these moments mean everything to him because, you know, the one time we got into a heated argument was when he left to go to Chicago because I felt he should have never left never left Miami. It was a matter of principle because it was a difference of like five to seven million dollars. That's all and Raleigh telling them you either use going come off the bench and him not feeling respected. It's not to say rows or who's great obviously in a winner always handles things the right way. But it was one of those situations where I felt like it was an emotional decision for him to leave Miami. And I was always happy that you know, alternately they kid who takes when his when his agent hang Thomas who was a great great guy. God blesses soul passed away. And he and Pat Riley, Dwayne Wade. Rally so to rekindle things at the funeral because Pat Riley loved Henry Thomas as well. You know, it's just great to see because this is what it's all about when you're going out and things are coming to an end, you appreciate moments like this, even more. I didn't realize that was the deal. I thought he just wanted to go to Chicago to go home. I didn't realize it was that isn't fried. Come before the fall, right? I mean, you know, listen that was a lucky shot last. It was awesome. It was a lucky shot. The fact that it comes against the warriors, right? Like in the twilight of his career, and you know, branch Rickey used to say, you know, the GM long with Jackie Robinson, obviously broke the color barrier. In baseball used to say luck is the residue of design. Right. So like, why was it lucky because they were hustling for that ball at the end of the game, you know, because Wayne Wade's not giving up on the play. And so. They twenty plus leave lucky that went in that was on the subject. I know it's been a few months, but huge congrats to him and his wife Gabrielle union on her on her baby girl. All right guy, so playoff LeBron. His here as promised thirty three points Tennessee's it was third game with this thirty point tennis this game the season. Now, the king wins the first meeting with Anthony Davis Sint betrayed AD plane. Just wanting minutes was given a nice standing all by LA max when it was introduced, I know you like that. How do you feel about the Lakers after this win disheartened as leakers fan? This is a must win game against a weak Western Conference opponent. It is an absolute must win game. Every celebrity on earth with courtside like everyone came out to see this game. You know, why? Because they're like all right liquors are going to get a win here. You know, AD is in town. Maybe he'll be a Laker. And LeBron knows he's got to turn it on Stephen Smith on TV the day before LeBron is gonna be, you know, the playoff LeBron and everything everyone's there. He didn't even play in the fourth quarter. And dammit, I'm trying to go to sleep last night. There was a lot of basketball on seen enough basketball. It was time to get some sleep. Gotta get up early in the morning. The Lakers would let me go to sleep. Like, can you all they point the double digit? No to one point. Now, you're down a point all game like this into late in the fourth quarter. They still couldn't do it. Hold up time out Lakers. The bronze playing out of his mind you're against a weak opponent. They're superstars and play in the fourth quarter. And you can't put these dudes away in a must win game. I don't feel good about that. I don't feel bad about it. And the reason I don't feel bad about it is because I sorta Brandon Ingram Takao Couzens of were being aggressive. I saw of Rondo reinserted into the starting lineup it registered, sixteen assists. And LeBron spoke after the game talking about how high is basketball IQ his his ability to get everybody involved his willingness to be aggressive, which wasn't the case before. And so I'm really really happy about that. Now, obviously they got Milwaukee coming up next week. They got the clippers the nuggets end the Boston Celtics at home at the staple center. So body by next Saturday. Did it could officially be on the way to? Fit hardest remaining schedule. They got like twenty one games. They got twenty one games left. Only seven are against sub five hundred teams. They gotta show up. And so to me, I just took my attitude. Get a win any way you can last night. And you saw LeBron aggressive and looking healthier. And that's really going to be the key is going to carry them. You said something I think is actually the key on the low for the Lakers, not only for them to make it to the playoffs because these are all playoff games now for the Lakers. Really? But to make them run in the playoffs. It's Rondo it's not LeBron. We know LeBron's going to ball in the playoffs. What people when you sleep on the Lakers. It's because you look at that team you go. That's LeBron minus any other all stars. These kids aren't ready and Rondo in the regular season. A lot of times not even a good player in the playoffs. But in the play offs show. I'm though is an all-star Thorne. However. Thorn hamburger player so does up. So by that you started to see him. Glad you brought up started to see little sneak peek of it yesterday. Lebron does have an all star for the playoffs if they can make it there, and that's the sleeper Ryan. And with the way Ingram includes my have been playing I'm talking about Trump's did efficiency and Bullock hitting three he's been doing that as well. The guy could shoot big picture. This is a big pickup for the these are going to be I'm sorry. I can't saying the reinforcements came the cavalry never came book is sharp shooter. And they needed it. Let me ask you this. Anthony Davis didn't play in the fourth disgusting. It's disgusting. It's embarrassing. It's not a good look for the lead doing because the pelicans of the mindset, we're about to move him. We're not going to do anything to jeopardize value. It's utterly ridiculous. If you're going to play and play him for Anthony Davis to be on the bench in the fourth quarter of Indian get twenty two points at twenty one minutes twenty two and eight and twenty one minutes eight that this is the desert and into. This is what he does all right in twenty two minutes. So basically, I mean, he usually averages about thirty seven thirty eight. So you're talking about him probably ended up with about thirty five forty last night about thirty. Father fifteen easy. That's what it would have been. He's sitting on the bench. And I want to listen, even though he weren't gene point swing. Even even though I didn't like I don't like the fact that he put himself in the situation by wanting to be traded ten days before the trading deadline. I want to applaud the class it, which he's handed everything he's on the bench. He's active. He's trying to encourage the guys. He's talking to them about what's transpiring on the court. It's a damn shame that the pelicans are choosing to handle it this way. And I and I'm not blaming Alvin gentry. This is not his call. This is clearly being forced upon him as well, which I think is a disservice to him. And this is a disservice to the game basketball. It's embarrassing. What's called on on? He would Anthony Davis. It really is. Whatever is going on in New Orleans needs to get fixed. This is worse than arrestee arrestee. Just told see the right like it doesn't mean the have not even traveled with the team. But if you show up with AD one of the best players in the game, particularly. When there's all that interest in L A, and as I mentioned every celebrity in the world's on the game. It's naturally televised. And it's a tight game down the stretch and the visual of your superstar healthy sitting on its we're having this in the first about the way they took him out with four plus minutes in the third quarter. And it was never it was always within single digits. It's worse than a rest day. And and a lot has been made in the last several months of the training staff in New Orleans. The owners of the pelicans are the same owners isn't saints. They use the football training staff for the for the basketball team and save money. And that's why they've lost more player minutes to injury than any franchise in recent years, and they continue to do. So he's right here is something either. I think maybe the owner should be forced to sell the team like whatever is going on. We'll say whatever's going on in New Orleans Nita fit. The league is monitoring the pelicans very very closely because the league recognizes that they're not being adroitly run. All right. The fact is that you basically double dip. Because you run the football team. But you also have a little basketball team. And you're not prioritizing. That's a point that cannot be ignored. We need to make sure that we pay attention to that. Because they definitely definitely need to do something about it. But they Anthony Davis situation is an embarrassment and should be tolerable. I'm of the mindset the New Orleans pelicans. Because of what they're doing. They shouldn't even be charging fans to come to their games at the smoothie king arena. It should fans should actually. She goes a free saying became fans at least if not if not free they should be. They should pay half price because you're giving them a half ass product. Sportscenter right now on the column. Hey, maybe sixteen time is the charm. New York Giants coach Pat Shurmur saying the NFL scouting combine that he expects ally. Manning who is entering the final year of his contract to be back with the team. Of course, things could change specially over the next week's after the giants get a closer look at this year's QB class at the combine and what's available in the trademark. It wants the league new year begins on March thirteenth take a listen to what GM did Goldman. And Pat Shurmur had to say about he lie. Spoke infrequently about what I think of Eli in how he handles himself and how he prepares and really everything he does behind the scenes, and I think a young player would greatly benefit from that. We saw what was capable of once we gave them hell. You know, he's still can make big league throws. He can still make the NFL throws the narrative has been negative. And I don't think it's been fair. Ask for that narrative. Manning ranks that lasts in total QC over the past three seasons. While he's near the bottom in several other categories, his twenty losses and Mets fan are tie with Blake Bortles for the most in the NFL. Now, let's get you back to I. Like so many emotions happening right now. I'm just going to stay calm. So max. Are you? Okay. With New York New York, John, you know, they were real bad last year and really really bad that year before like embarrassingly, bad keeping Eli manning. No number one. I'm a huge fan. I feel indebted to ally. Manning as as a giants fan for those two Super Bowls. Those are some of maybe my two favorite moments as a fan of any sport where those two Super Bowl wins and New York will always love alive for that. But I'm the same dude. Who when they signed jeeter at the end as jeeter when I was in LA, and they re signed Kobi, what are you doing? I'm telling you about the cliff with Tom Brady, I don't just hitting on bracing. This is the way I am. I think when it's over even when you see it coming. I'd rather be out ahead of that now for for legends. Maybe you don't get out ahead of it. Maybe you let Tom Brady when you're another Super Bowl right before you get rid of. But at a certain point when a when a dude is just cooked, Steven A P. Sorry, QBR QBR is the most sophisticated shorthand for quarterback play. It's it doesn't. It's not perfect. But shorthand how's he doing dead blast over three seasons? Now, we know the offensive line has been terrible. But they are about to waste the primes of let me be very clear. Pure talent, the best I've ever seen it. Why doubt? No del qualitatively. He's different than anyone. I've ever seen that includes Calvin Johnson and Randy moss shorter. I think he's better town better town and saquon Barkley most talented running back I've ever seen people just admitted he's qualitatively different than girly Ezekiel Elliott and everybody different and he's a rookie. These dudes are entering their primes right now with a quarterback. Can he still make NFL throws? Okay. Yeah. He is inaccurate down the field. He's inaccurate at short range. It takes too long to process things. He looked shell shocked at times his arm is good enough to make those we wouldn't call it a strong arm. He's cooked allies cooked. You wanna keep him around to mentor guy? What are you what you're really saying? Is you couldn't find a taker too? Unload them. Let's be honest about this. That's what they're saying. The giants have finished. Next year is going to stick to it's tough. I got bad news field. Your points valid. I'm not here to dispute that we saw what we saw from Eli manning. Let me tell you what the problem is. What you sure from Shurmur? He's not talking football. He's talking character issues in the locker room. What you do behind the scenes the professionalism? The kind of the kind things that prevent him from having to take Advil. Ibuprofen Tylenol Tylenol or something like that for headaches. That's what Pat Shurmur was talking about ghetto men with the football route. And what's he talking about? I think the criticism has been unfairly either narrative is really really so let me now we respect ally. Manning we understand that he's a two-time Super Bowl champion. No one will ever take away from that on his resume. Do you? Don't know that the New York Giants have missed the playoffs. Eight times in the last eleven years. Six times in the last seven years. Do you know that between the Super Bowls? They won in two thousand seven to two thousand eleven they only made the playoffs once okay in between that so what I'm trying to say to you is we're talking about a multitude of years where they haven't even made the post season. And this man, Dave Gettleman, your GM in the mecca the media capital world. New York City is sitting and talking to America like his quarterback is being victimized. Are you kidding me? This is what these are the problems. See that's how you know. You're going to have a problem because you can't be talking football. You can't like you watch ally. Manning just as much as anybody Max's much you love your job. So do you how many times did you come in this studio off camera and literally be ready to throw something because of a throat at ally. Manning could it make because his arm as a lot of the bad was as you're saying bad decisions. The fact here's my other question, though, they got rid of Coughlin. Did that accomplish anything in? Now having Matha do in. Are we sure about Shurmur this might not just be? Let's be clear. Let's be clear. I didn't say anything about the players. I said Shurmur and get them. First of all get him as demand that led. Josh Norman walk away for nothing. How was Carolina's defense? Compromising the immediate aftermath of Josh known as the parts of the wash. That's number one number two when we look at what did he do to warm if being a head coach now, I'm not questioning football accurate. I'm not questioning what he couldn't have a job in the National Football League. But to be a leader of men as a head coach in the National Football League. I believe is record at the town was like nine or ten and twenty three he did nothing to warrant being New York's head coach, but Gettleman was comfortable with it year with Minnesota really -fensive coordinator or MS telling you got married, right? Wait, wait a minute. But he had a head coaching resume. Here's what I'm saying to you is this Gettleman like them why? Because that's the problem. We got too many people making decisions because it involves the comfort. Let's say we're not Dench. Look, let's say what it is allies got another year on his deal. He's untradable. No one's going to want him Coughlin wouldn't take them. No one will take them. So with another year on the deal. You're stuck with them. And they're going to draft a quarterback and they're not going to do anything with a rookie quarterback. I year quarterback Cuyler Murray's not going to be there Wayne Haskins may not be there if anyone trades up in the draft and snatches Dwayne Haskins from the giants who grew up a giants fan and whose floors housing from jersey. Yeah, he's going to be a good NFL quarterback. I don't know if it'd be a great one. But he's competent you can see that on an NFL levelly. Seems that way then the giants have to do something to move up to get him. They have to make sure to get their rookie quarterback going forward at either either Murray who probably won't be there or Dwayne has. Now, remember vice? And I'll say that I'll tell you why that's the one saving grace of having ally on the team for one more year. He can show his dad or Lobski. We were talking about off camera. He can show them the ropes how to deal with New York. A question all those kinds of the giants back, but David Webb isn't no they web go back. Got rid of it. And let it s I'm sorry. That's what I thought. That's what I was asking about. And by the way, I don't fall to forget, I traveled at route ACA encouraging. Got it like late somebody was late by practice. Okay. That's why. That's right. Why was he lay for practice? What was he rushing to practice? I'm sorry. You know, why was reser practice because they were talking about starting in that week doesn't know name is the no name they were talking about starting him because of how all he lie. Eli he with the glue gun Europe. Ignorance so what I'm saying? You max is this subdued name ladder. All right. Okay. That's all I'm trying to say to you. He's donate. There's always until the arrest. My point to you is this too was rushing the practice because that was the week. He was supposed to be starting. And you're sitting here talking about Ella? Manning another year back skeleton, I'm worrying, I let me be let me be very clear. I am worried about your health if manage just aren't quarterback. That's all you're going to lose it. You're gonna lose. You know, we thought it would you ever? This is what I'll lose if the giants don't have at least Haskins on the roster. So as they're losing next journey. Lies looking terrible. We know what's coming guys getting seasoned, right? If it's just Eli losing and some team trades up in the giants allow Haskins to get away. Ask you, then we have a problem they ask you this just for next year. Would you rather have Nick foles? Absolutely haskins. What if they could find a way to get Nick foles? Or would you rather have Haskins I'm talking because the talent they have right now. And we know Nick foles could get right in the lineup. If the happy with either guy, I think the smarter move is Haskins who'd be on a rookie deal, and it would allow them to continue to work on the offensive line. And also to you defense who signed a wide receiver the ninety five billion dollars and don't have somebody road. At man of football is a across this is what scared so crime pair scary dead last in QBR the last three seasons. That's with Odell Beckham on the team. What would he be without hotel Beckham? Is there something lower than last? This is depressing. Hey, it's Dan Patrick here to tell you about the Dan Patrick school. The sportscasting I've teamed up with full sail university to create a sports casting bachelor's degree you work both on and behind the cameras and you build skills for the future of sports. So you can connect with audiences. No matter where they are or how they're winning in learn more about full sail. Universities Dan, Patrick school to sportscasting by going to full. Fail dot EDU slash, Dan. Patrick school. I really don't agree with the perception that there's huge drama within the Pittsburgh Steelers locker room, really, I have a complete disagreement with the perception that are locker room is anything, but very functional. All right before I get into Steelers jam Kevin Colbert Likud's here. We'll Kane in the house. How would feel well good more? Folks. How do I wills happy? Why we got to talk about the Cowboys dysfunction last time he's on the air. And now it's the Steelers Jerry's fairly giants. Right. So now, so now, we're all equal. But will I know you're a huge college football fan. I gotta ask you this quick. We thought the combine we got the measurements on Kyla Murray. He's a legit five. Ten five ten in one eight to be exact, what do you think? Number one overall. No brainer. Absolute no brainer. No brainer. Used to be the number one overall pick in the draft. I actually didn't care if he was five ten or five nine I thought so before he measured in at this height weight and hand size, and it should be. If there's any logical sense to the world and people make rational decisions it should be the number one overall pick to the Zona cardinals. It just makes way too much since I've seen the show today on no you talk to Dan Orlovsky. I know he shares the opinion I know cliff Kingsbury does. As well. If the world is right collar Murray will be suited up for the Arizona Cardinals next season. I was that way the minute. I heard his hand size of his hands was like, you know, eight or something I'd have been totally hit him. The ball is coming out of his hands. Kwame Brown for basketball all over get can't add that yet. But because those are big enough. I'm good with. All right. Steven I looking at you for this one so Coburn doesn't agree with the perception that there's any dysfunction in the Steelers locker room. What do you think about all these comments? I think he's lying to the American public. And I like Kevin covert. I'm not I'm not castigating him. But I think that particular statement is a flat out lie, and it flies in the face of those that believe in common sense. You see what you see we've seen everything that's going on from Lebanon bell to the way the season ended to what was going on in between with the offensive lineman calling them out with to the way this deal is collapsed. Played in various games how they just did team together to been robbed as burger calling them out. Well, you know, what if I'm not lying? Let me tell you why it would only be because if I don't think he's lying. They would only be because I'm saying you're coming to the defense of Big Ben Rothlisberger. Because when you look at big rothlisburger. Everyone has lamented his willingness to call people out and how that has contributed to the divide that exists in the locker room. Well, if you look at Big Ben as debt quintessential leader and the other fifty two guys just kids who need to follow in the fall lockstep and follow lockstep in line with what them Rothlisberger wants you to do that. Maybe you're not lying after all. Maybe I misspoke, but I can't believe that Kevin code Kevin Colbert. Who's obviously a damn good executive and whose record speaks for itself would be that foolish or that blind. He's not gonna keep things in house because that's what they usually do in Pittsburgh. But the reality is is that the players are not on the same page. There's a lot of different clicks inside that locker room, it appears I can tell you everybody ain't flowing with Big Ben Rothlisberger. Just like everybody wasn't flowing with Antonio Brown for him to sit up there and say, you know, what I don't agree with the perception. That's not. Onset. We all see we all see how bad things are. There's only one excuse for that there's functionality because certainly isn't talent we're about to find out if it's Antonio Brown and Colbert's telling the truth because Antonio Brown's going to not be there next year. I mean, levian bell. Whatever issues there were there. He wanted. He really wanted to get paid. And Colbert is the GM really didn't want to pay his running back who's looking at twenty six twenty seven years old. That's the kind of normal stuff you find in an organization, okay. Antonio Brown has been the issue now for those who would say Stephen A that it's rothlisburger. In fact, we will find out when grounds not there. We'll see what kind of locker room. It is. We'll see what kind of stories are coming out of there. And I will say this for Colbert. I am willing to give him. I think he's earned the benefit of the doubt. Colbert has constructed to Super Bowl winning teams one. You may say he got a little lucky but to Super Bowl winning teams, obviously has an eye for talent in the draft. They're always loaded with talent. Even if you think somehow underachieve they're usually in the playoffs. They sometimes make runs. He's an excellent GM Tomlin's won a couple of Super Bowls Roethlisberger's won a couple of Super Bowls. So those guys have the resumes that give them the benefit of the doubt. Antonio Brown hasn't won a Super Bowl. And so you say, okay, the noise the chirping seems to be coming from him. But I'll say this you remove Antonio Brown next year. There's no levian. If stuff is still going on. Then we'll know he was wrong. Well, but he's lying. Stephen aides. Exactly. Right. Kevin. Colbert is lying tells there's no drama and the Pittsburgh Steelers locker room defies all of our five. Senses. We walk around in this world with sight hearing smell touch. You can see it. I will say this evening. I get it. I mean NFL there little bit like politicians. I mean, they have to lie. I mean, he's talking about guys who he employs? You can't throw them all under the bus. And what more this is lying season. NFL? Combine is here warning the NFL draft. They're all lying. In fact, Kevin Colbert has some competition on the line metal stand right now. Just within the last couple of days. You got your guy. Dave Gettleman there who I could listen to talk about anything, but just telling us sweet little lies that awesome accent? You know, how you doing? You know, what I'm telling you you li- manning. He's not that bad. You couple two three years. You know, he's not that bad. Boom. You know what I'm saying? I can listen to him lie to me all day long. My man, Stephen Jones. Everybody's backs against the wall. Please come on Jason GARRETT'S back skins to all Steve GM of the Arizona Cardinals. Josh roses are quarterback for now. Tell us what you really say. Steve this right here. Kevin Colbert, though, probably takes the gold medal because we know whether it's Antonio Brown not showing up in week seventeen lady on bell, not showing up all season Antonio Brown. Broadcasting stuff on social media over and over again for over years time, by the way, and Ben Rothlisberger. Being at the center of it. All we know there's drum in Pittsburgh. So just I don't know. The allow season rabbit season, it's lying seizes. But that's right. Where you're gonna laugh what I'm about to tell you max, I'll tell you. This will MAC sounds like he took some notes some lessons from Mike Tannenbaum former GM for New York Jets now in Miami. And I say this affectionately because actually like Mike Tannenbaum understand something here. Yeah. You could you couldn't go to the CIA and somebody better at saying absolutely nothing while talking to you there might tenable. This brother could give lessons he can sit up there and talk to you for twenty minutes, and you'll literally go what the hell the he just say because it doesn't matter and him never tell the truth. He'll never tell anybody. He's he left the jets. He goes to Miami. He was actually on radio in New York City JETRO said great organization match what lose automatic right organizations. Everybody's great. Everybody's great. This is there's never abroad I'll say when you got a guy like my ten about. So somebody hanging out with him like Colbert Stephen Jones, if they when they do that. He's the first guy that they have lunch with this man to have draped with this because Mike Tannenbaum could give notes I think guys. Overlooking one thing here. First of all, I said Tomlin one two symbols went to one one another guess, so he went to two one one because obviously. Amer rattles around. The the point is. Really what I take him to be saying here is there's no problem the locker room Antonio Brown's the problem. That's what I'm saying. He may be right about that. Like if next year there's tranquility then Antonio Brennan early west. They had everybody knows guys. What about the already bell stuff though? You can't just put it on Antonio Brown. He's not the reason. Another T-ball you're going. Those with the team on what went down with a wavy on allies, I said levian bell. And Colbert had the classic GM running back who now wants to get paid that happens with a lot of GM's and running backs right now, I want to get paid the gyms like we kind of already got value at the end of a different deal, but Tonio grant was there the whole year, and that seemed to be, you know, ground zero of the conflict, but also problem that lady on wasn't. All right. Well, can you stick around? I can do that. Okay. Good stuff. Now, it is Dame time Damian Lillard finished with a game high thirty three points in the blazers ninety seven ninety two win over Boston. It was Lillard. Twentieth. Game with at least thirty point two season tied for the sticks in the league Orland improving. Thirty in twenty three the fourth best record in the Western Conference max. Yup. Is Lillard a top ten player. I have to see him in the playoffs. I, and I know Stephen he might be sensitive to the idea that that I've been saying drew holiday shut them down in the playoffs. He's doubled. A lot will Dame Dame. Of course, there's no such thing as a great offensive player. And you're a great offense a player who can be shut down one on one for an entire series. Of course. So of course, you're double the lot. You're the engine that makes your team go. But you were also taken one on one a bunch by drew holiday, and he'd got you got you. And you gotta show that you can ball in the playoffs. Now when I look at the top ten players in the NBA, Stephen a guys like, Ben Simmons and dodge they're coming. But they're not here yet porzingas Karl Anthony towns, not yet all the two way two guards who can't really put it on the floor in the league level Klay Thompson and Chris Middleton and even Jimmy Butler, not quite they're not better than Dame. Lebron? The freak k d a d that's four PG thirteen Kawai says Steph seven harden. Yes, Embiid, those are the nine so there's a tense slot. OJ measure Westberg is. Well, here's the question is the tents slot is at Yokich. There's another big possibility. Or is it one of these three guards, Damian Lillard, kyri Irving, or Russell Westbrook. If I had to go right now on what I'm seeing I would put Lillard tenth. But I'm not going to do it till I see him in the playoffs this year. I can't do it till he balls in the playoff. We completely agree with that. I have no problem with the list, and more importantly, my mindset is as a right now. I would pick Lillard. But here's my problem to me in reality. Lillard is right, right, right outside of tops at you know, how much you know, how much I love me some Dame top baby. I was bragging about that. Last year Dame time to real deal. Ain't no question. What? What he does offensively. I can't take away for what Russell Westbrook. Russell Westbrook and motor that energy. What he does on both ends of the floor, the rebounds, the assist Damian Lillard as a scorer. He's a professional scorer. He and he's a clutch shotmaker. And he's overall better shooter that Russell Westbrook. There is nothing else. Definitively in my mind that he does better than Russell Westbrook. Russell Westbrook can get those points or Russell Westbrook does defensively what he doesn't terms rebounds. What he doesn't tons of has the nasty and how it us. Everybody around him. I cannot take that away. So I would not take Russell Westbrook out of the top ten that. That's sacrilegious Damian Lillard would be right right right out, the top ten in the entire NBA. It's so crazy in the NBA right now Lillard even without the playoffs. You're saying isn't even top to how much better can you be playing than what Lewis playing right now? I mean that means. Little lewis. He's no Kyrie. I didn't give it in order, by the way. I just gave no Lillard. No, Kyrie, no Yokich. Maybe an a bubble kind of MVP candidate. It is. And the fairness to them size does matter because for example, when you think about the impact of an Embiid when you think about the impact of a Greek freak and others, you can't ignore the size, and how much they impact the game just because of physicality God-given physical, physical strength, physical height is etc. But Steph curry is the exception because you have to pick Steph curry up at half court. He can pull up from Amazon of everyone that we mentioned in the top ten, you know, other than Westbrook or the top nine the only one under six five is Steph curse, right everyone. And then harden everyone else's over six seven six eight everyone else. Right. That's right. Exactly. Exactly. The issue by the way, we only have like thirty seconds left, which is talk about trae young Rowbottom. I just did. I not just say a couple of days ago the second coming of Steph curry someday, listen, he's listen if it wasn't for Don-Shik. He's he's reading somebody's not looking dodger. He's not. But I thought that book was closed because he started so slow if he finishes like this. He's actually opened up the argument again, the weight dodgers, you can't. I mean. Oh, my God is trae young balling. He is he conscious number one. But the idea who won that trade that's actually still he's not even shoot more evidence of three point range yet. Right magin. What's he finds his way because he can't? Baby's dodgers. His last game. Is next tomorrow? Thanks for listening to the podcast. First take weekdays ten AM eastern ESPN.

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3 and Out - OTA Coaching Compromises; Post-Rookie Holdout Era; Tebow PR Stunt; Brady/Arians; Mailbag

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

46:35 min | 2 months ago

3 and Out - OTA Coaching Compromises; Post-Rookie Holdout Era; Tebow PR Stunt; Brady/Arians; Mailbag

"To show you how easy it is to file a claim with geico. We hired a soap opera star. Gracious me like or has storm damage. And i had to file a claim go to possibly get worse when my claims team. Leave me for someone else. Someone less intense. No actually when you file a claim with geico you get your own dedicated claims team. Who promises to stay with you throughout the process. I've never known such loyalty. I can't wait for the second season. Geigo great service without all the drama. What is up everybody. Little three and out weekend podcasts. Couple things came up thursday so we just push it back. Great part is about podcast. Do whatever you want this not a big change or anything. It just happened to play out this week. But we'll see some days friday sommes. We'll be saturday. It'll never stop coming though the that'll be a fact. I got lots of dive in lot going on right now in the national football league. Pj championship on in the background. Sunday good to be breathing. So excited for life and talk a little football talk a little tibo and the middlekauff mailbag of course at john middlekauff is instagram handle. Also you guys know the drill. If you guys could subscribe three podcast leave a review. If you could five stars talk some shit. Do whatever you want. it's up to you. Lot of positive reviews on their appreciate it. Keep them coming helps out with everything we got going. Okay one theme. That has come out so far the last couple of weeks but especially this week has been how the head coaches and the and the general managers and teams and their players have found compromise. And what thing. I think i talked about a week or two ago. Was how the union who wanted to lead. A boycott of the offseason activities really was just representing the elite the tie in players and their desires right. Because you know. Julio jones aaron rodgers you just go around the leak the high end players who just top of mind but you can use any veteran guy on a big boy contract. Whose job is secure. I wouldn't want off ear train on my own especially. I don't live in the city. But those people in the league where small percentage of guys the majority of the league just like the majority of society or working class people and below are fighting for their jobs every day the basically the equivalent of what most of us are in the real world at will employs. Their career can end at any moment whether you were drafted in the fifth. Sixth and seventh round. You're not guaranteed a snap whether you're a couple year player into your career on a veteran minimum contract you be cut at any moment so the off season is very very big for one to get facetime around your bosses to learn new offenses if you're coming from a new team. It's just it's important now. I think the word that is compromised. I saw a bunch of different head. Coaches have talked about it in their press conference over the last week or two that they worked with their general manager to meet with the players and figure out a way so the off season wasn't going overboard and in fairness to the players like some real issues is there shouldn't be eleven on eleven and i've been lucky enough to be go to these offseason activities and mandatory minicamps for a decade. They do get probably to physical. At the line of scrimmage right the offensive and defensive line. They're not wearing pads yet. They're still rushing fogo now. They can't sacked quarterback or whatever but it's probably a little outrageous in ultimately the head coaches picked talk to all their players and they found a compromise that they were going to rein it back a little bit but that's not abnormal. Isn't that what happens in. Most businesses think about right now was happening society. Most businesses can't get people come back to work. They're making more stay home. So what of a lot of the big boys done. Mcdonald's on bank of america raise raise their wages raise. The minimum wage bank of america came out. I think this week said within four years. We'll be at twenty five dollars an hour. You got to compete. You gotta compromise. That's the way business works. You should always be compromising thinking of ways to get better. And i was anti union on this because i thought a boycott didn't serve any purpose now if that statement was ultimately to threaten the quote unquote establishment to get change. I'll give them credit because it worked. They have created change but we all compromise every day. If you're married you compromise wife all the time if you have children you compromise with them. Once they get age you constantly making some sort of deals from. Where should we should whether you get a president. I want new video game system to compromise. You have in your own profession. Whatever you do like. Hey we want this contract roy to pay five hundred thousand dollars. Well it's gonna take six hundred thousand dollars. Maybe we'd meet in the middle. It's five hundred and fifty thousand dollars. We'll get the deal. Done tap happens in every single industry. So i give the coaches and i think they benefit from having a lot of younger progressive coaches you. I don't know if you're following the story but tony larussa who. I thought. The media overreacted. When he was hired to away the white sox higher. tony larussa. you can't use one of the greatest managers of all time. He's probably forgot more baseball than ninety percent of the managers inside baseball. Have ever known or will ever not. His resume speaks for itself. He's probably top. Ellie might be top three manager of all time now. His comments on unwritten rules of baseball star player. Swing in pitch and a blood game feels a little out of touch. Tony larussa aren't really the compromises. Neither are bill parcells types but for the most part in the nfl. they don't exist anymore. they've kind of been weeded out. So you have to be open minded because we all benefit. If i'm a coach. If i'm a player if i'm a gm if i'm an owner for having off-seasons whether that is i think the miami dolphins only practice will consist of you allowed to wear sandals to ensure that we're not going to be doing anything crazy too. I saw frank reich of the colt said that we've dialed back lot. Some teams have said. We'll do no eleven on eleven. I got the email from the forty niners. Their schedule looks like forego. But maybe kyle's just good with them and they respect him and they know that like he's not going to push him. I don't know every team is a little bit different but it's not abnormal. It's not like you should always be trying to grow and adapt and what makes to figure out what's most successful think. How many people over corona have realized. I know in my own business how to be more efficient at their job. But i got better. I would imagine most people in in whatever industry you're in you're like yeah. We learn a bunch of different stuff. Now we'll see how times change where we go from here. But i bet you adapt it. Sometimes you're forced to adapt and that's good too and so listen. I someone who always probably. I'm typically going to lean with the coaches in gm's that's my background. But on this. I will give the players credit. If ultimately they wanted to create some change and they didn't their endgame truly wasn't a boycott because a boycott didn't happen. They never sniffed boycott but depending on what team you're on. Ota's or no longer as outrageous that they have been because there should not be a defensive end over an offensive tackle without pads going full. Go what are we doing here. You can't risk like maybe we do this in two thousand and five but now that pass rusher. If he's joey bosa myles garrett makes twenty three million dollars a year. My offense tackled depending on who it is. If it's trent williams might make twenty two million dollars a year like is too valuable asset to put in that position but we do need to practice. We do need to get better. Iron sharpens iron so we have to find a way to practice and improve right and i think during the season is a good example. If you just took inventory of coach in one thousand nine ninety five. I would bet one hundred percent of the. Nfl war pads basically sixteen weeks season right on on their practices wednesday thursday. I bet if we polled coaches now now the rules inside the cba. You can't but even if you were allowed to. I bet a lot of them would rampant back. There aren't a lot of teams latency not wear pads anymore. One like i said there are rules against it. But i think coaches have realized. I don't need to once. I get because part of like becoming establishing toughness is with pads in training camp but to be a tough team. You need tough guys. You can create. i don't know if you can create toughness. You can improve on toughness especially if you're around other tough players. I do think they can elevate guys who are probably somewhere in the middle but it's hard to take a non tough guy and make him a tough guy right the reason the patriots and some of these teams over the years of the steelers consistently one is they know who they're looking for in the scouting process but part of that is developing them in the offseason for a split second. Looks like a reason. I can have off seasons moving forward and that didn't happen and we're all going to benefit because part of football unlike basketball were you can play five on five year round. There are legendary games to go on los angeles full appropos making can play full on five and five. Is it the same like an nba game. Probably not but can you get legit reps if you're just going the guy you're checking is an nba all star in europe back up in the nba. How does that not improve you right. Where when you're with your teammates and you're going up against you know you're pro bowl cornerback. If you're a third wide receiver you get better that way even if it is just fifty percent work on your technique work on the mental aspect of stuff. That's just a reality of what you're dealing with here. It's hard to duplicate that at some random training facility in florida or texas when none of your teammates around. So i give the nfl credit. The players union credits. The coaches credit for doing what we all do compromise. If you're not willing to compromise in life you're going to have a short shelf-life in whatever you're doing like i said whether that's if you're not compromising with your wife your girlfriend that relationships go along if you don't compromise in the business world you probably not locking down too many deals if you're not willing to compromise in two thousand twenty one when it comes to pro sports. The world's changed tony. Larussa is like him butting heads over this 300 homerun feels a little outdated like tony. Let it go buddy. He hit four. It's one of your best players. Embrace it even. If you're not going to embrace it. Stop frigging talking about fox. Sports radio has the best sports. Talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at fox. Sports radio dot com and within the iheartradio app search f. s. are to listen live good afternoon. Would you like to try a free. Sample of our double fudge brownie. Oh sure very good. I'll just take one more just to be sure. 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My crabtree's name somehow came up and i i started thinking like i remember when he held out i think he missed several games his rookie year and think about that. Long ago. rookies. And i'm not just talking. The number one overall pick but first round players would hold out because they were negotiating for enormous contracts and remember in the two thousands bella check would never ever a couple of times he would always try to trade back because he never now granted. They were always winning but he never wanted to have one of those powerful rookie contracts because he was bringing in a guy into his locker room if he traded up to get someone like twelve who was making more money than the majority of their team and the headline. I saw this week. Maybe on my twitter timeline or pro football. Talk that over half the rookies. I mean we're not even to june. I have already signed. And that's the entire draft class but as we know it's an outlier situation now when a first round pick is not there for day one at training camp let alone mrs anytime that is unheard of under the new. Cba agreement that started two thousand eleven and has move forward because it slotted all the guys and i was just thinking like what a great move and think how crazy it was. Once upon a time in clearly the players union fought for this is to have these player. Member sam bradford and matt stafford domin sue in matt ryan and some of these contracts of the top five guys would get and some of them lived up to a lot of them didn't and they would sign these thirty forty fifty million dollar deals back when that was a lot of money before the slotting happening guys would fight for tuna cash remember. Jamarcus russell held out forever. Al davis named have the cash to pay them but they go nuts. It was you had to pay this guy. Like top of the market money think how much healthier the league is now. Even when you have a bust in the first round or even a guy that let's say a non bust but just a guy that never lived up to the contract but isn't nfl player. Solomon thomas a mitch. Trubisky back in the day. Mr bisky was. I wouldn't say a disaster. He started a bunch of games for the bears. Disaster in the sense that when you draft guide number two overall you do not want to be mitch trubisky but to me. A buses guys can't play dead and western. That was not him. He was just a very very flawed player. You know he's probably backup five six million dollar player. Maybe he can resurrect his career. Wilsey but fifteen years ago instead of mitch being on a contract that pays him five six million dollars a year. Whatever the equivalent is now is probably making like fifteen twenty million dollars. Think of the one of the greatest assets you can have right now and we talk about it. All the time josh allen mahomes baker mayfield right now all the dudes that were just drafted in this class right. Trevor lawrence. zack. Wilson trae lantz justin fields and mack jones. If three of five of those guys are good. The number one thing will say about him all beside them. Being good players is how great their contract is and how you can cook the books on your team because you can instead of having a thirty forty million dollar quarterback you got a guy making five six seven four however much depending on where you were drafted. You're making it's incredible contract relatives. The salary cap and i was just got me thinking like how stupid was that. We all live through it back. I was like in college when these holdouts us to happen. We all smelled. What the hell is going on. I understand why the team was like i. Don't wanna pay this guy seventy five million dollars. I don't want to give them the biggest signing bonus in the history my franchise at least when you sign a free agent and you know not they. Don't all work. you're at least paying a guy who has a resume in the national football league now. Ideally good contracts. You're paying a guy for what he's gonna do moving forward now what he did in the past thinking about like the angels with pools or the worst contracts of all time because they paid him on what he did in the past then he couldn't live up to it. But when you buy like bryce harper mike trout like if they keep producing contract. You feel pretty good about it. But the reason they get. Mike trout got like four hundred dollars. Or mookie betts or the dude linda door or some of these guys right. Aaron rodgers these guys signed big contracts russell wilson in the nfl based on what they've done in the leak now whether they maintain and sustain living up to that money. Only time will tell you that. But you at least sleep better. Like when you've quote even paying dak prescott who i do not love band dak prescott forty million dollars a year. But i know for a fact that i can win games with that prescott and then he can play at a pretty damn high level in the league now is it forty million. We can nitpick the money. But i know i'm getting a high end. Top twelve starting quarterback in the league. Ideally you want to pay them a homes. The russel's aaron rodgers. Don't even lose a minute sleep. I'm winning big with this guy. I want this guy never want him to leave. Can you imagine that some of the contracts that used to get handed out to rookies in basketball used to be like to. I remember growing up. Football was really really bad up until two thousand eleven and remember part of it. Even though i mean i was the lowest guy on the totem pole didn't quite know what was going on but it was not a strike. It was a lock out. It was terrible for business and it has benefited everyone right. It's it was not a benefit to the players because most of the players in the league at a given time are not going to be top fifteen picks local like we always talk about the reason for the compromise because most of the league is going to be second third fourth round picks contracts without that much guaranteed money yet. These is that there are immediately better than majority of them right and a lot of them. Fifty percent of first round picks don't even become good players getting an astronomical amount of money. Think how much that limited teams so it is crazy and it just the league. The players deserve credit because they had to sign off on. Everyone just got more efficient because we should never be at a point where a rookie is not just immediately slotted. He doesn't immediately show up thinking about most of your jobs right when you graduate college. Like there's not that much negotiation even for a guy this draft trevor lawrence number one overall elite talent. There shouldn't be that much negotiation. Here's your contract. Here's the number. Here's the slot sign it. Let's rock and roll. What what's your leverage right. Well i made seven pro now the snap you didn't we're offering you an astronomical amount of money based on what previous guys have made in the last three or four years at the slot it goes up a certain amount of percentages every year rock and roll. We don't get any holdouts. Beside like roquan smith remember about member the penalties with leading with your helmet. If you missed a game a game check. It was something really really in the nitty gritty of contract which turned out to be stupid. Hasn't been an issue at all but to me. He's the only guy can remember recent memory that there's been any issue in training get most guys day. Want a training camp rookies all. They're like i said fans benefit teams benefit players benefit the whole league benefits. They got this one right. It feels like the news of the day. The news of the thursday friday heading into the weekend in a weird way. It's felt like a foregone conclusion even though nothing officially happened tibo finally officially signed. And we've been talking about this now for a couple of weeks. I've obviously said my opinion on just how. I don't think it's that relevant. I think people overreacting to bring him to camp. Ninety guys go to training camp if you ever have the opportunity to go to training camp beside the starting unit. You probably aren't going to know. Most of the backups let alone the third stringer to me. My overall opinion on the signing is kind of whatever now i do understand urban meyer. Is he doing his guy favor. Whatever but overall. I think it has no impact especially on a losing team if a good team the steelers seattle team. That has a long history of winning baltimore. I'd be like yeah. It's kinda weird. Why the hell are they doing that hint. They wouldn't but the jags i think makes sense. I've kind of come to this conclusion. I think there's a chance now. I'm not going to claim that urban isn't the driving force and wasn't open minded and okay with having them on the team but i would imagine that urban sat down with the owner and the owner might have not obviously facilitated because he has to sign off on anything that any player you sign but was behind it one hundred percent in might push this over the finish. Line the jacksonville. Jags i was gonna say the most relevant team in sports but that's impossible because the nfl was infinitely more popular right now than the other sports. So who is the most relevant team. Let's say in the nba or baseball. The jags are a bigger deal but in terms of football and in terms of the the country club. That shod is in with the other thirty two in this really more neck because they're my minority owners but with all the other billionaires associated with the nfl. his property is the most relevant right. they've been consistently the shittiest their market is. I don't know if it's technically not smaller in green bay or whatever but obviously the packers are on their worst day. Jaguars would sign up for that. So when you factor in smaller market you factor in. They never win. I mean they always look how many times they drafted not in the top ten but the top five over the last decade so they had the one off season where they made the championship game but other than that like there where players go to eventually demand to get traded or leaf. I it's it's a long history and you want some positive bus. Hell you just want some bus. And trevor lawrence is not some polarizing figure or even some guy who's going to get in front of a mike and just kind of move the needle. I don't ever remember really here in trevor lawrence talk. Urban is but what can you really say until they start playing games. I think tibo. And i saw schefter instagram of visual of tibo eighty five because he's playing tight end and his jersey was like the number one selling jersey last twenty four hours. I can't believe someone would pay one hundred and twenty dollars for jersey. But i think a lot of people in florida would say hell. Yeah i would. He's my favorite player. Ever because the university of florida's i don't really geographically. I don't have a great feel for florida beside miami's at the south tip but clearly there are going to be a lot of florida fans that state and probably in the jacksonville region. Isn't the largest cocktail party in the world happened jacksonville. Florida verse georgia. That's the game. And he's one of the most popular players in the history of college. Sports let alone that little region where college football reigns supreme. If i wasn't shod seat in urban meyer's like what do you think like you know. I'm not expecting much out of this. Do i want the hoopla and all that comes. He really wants to be on the team. We don't have anything to lose. If i was shot i would say urban good idea. I think we should do that. It gets her name and the headline more love it or hate it. You got people talking about the. Jack's i've talk more about the jags in the last four months that i have for five years easily even the year they won is like whatever you know. Blake bortles right. They had some sweet defensive players. I like me jackson. Obviously jalen ramsey was sweet janaka. They had really good players but they're not on a national show indefinitely. I'm someone that lives on the west coast. Lean some of the bigger brands. I'm never talking about the franchise. I talked about him on my podcast earlier this week. When urban move travis. Dtn obviously urban. Just a guy that's going to be. People are going to have an opinion on but tibo deeply is going to be that player and it doesn't it good or bad who cares what they're saying as long as they're talking about you. What what's the famous line. There's no such thing as bad publicity. There's just publicity. I think it kind of rings true. What is publicity. What does that even mean anymore. Like segmented nature of the way. We talk about stuff. People on twitter people on facebook people on social media want people talking about you. Know the franchise back to the original point. Couldn't be any more relevant now to me. You would have a strong opinion if they'd given him five million dollars or something outrageous. They've done they didn't guarantee a penny they can cut him tomorrow it to me. It's one of the most over hyped. Just people acting super fired up. Because how could you be that fired up. How could you care that much. It really does not matter now. If some of the players on the team had a strong opinion about it and voice it some of the coaches which they wouldn't urban would fire them but if it gets out anonymous players anonymous coaches then we'll have a thing. I know there was a story. That anonymous coaches on the staff or anti doing like would you have the balls. You're one of urban meyer telling reporters like you're not on board especially when you know which way is trending. I doubt it. I don't think that's possible you'd have to be an idiot to risk that now. You could argue some of the assistants down make so much money and they're already so rich. Who cares your opinions. Get now no matter. What but that's not usually the way the nfl work. So i think there's a little bit of an overreaction. My my gut says that while urban tibor clear their relationship is well documented. Wouldn't shock me at all. If the owner of this franchise who is a great businessman and has been a terrible terrible. Nfl owner terrible sports owner. I mean he's right now. Easily one of the worst sports owners in all of baseball basketball football people of the emmy before his european soccer teams are joke. He's back great businessman awful owner. That just wants to get something positive. Or just people talking about his franchise and clearly at work. Fifteen minutes could save you. Fifteen percent or more. is that shakespeare. it's geico i hear. Yeah that's shakespeare. From one of the sun published works to be not for awakening may give it the other batteries for fifteen minutes. Could save you fifteen percent or more. No it's from geico. 'cause they help save people money. Well i hate to break it to you but geico got it from shakespeare geico fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percents or more geico knows. 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It's fact you cannot win in the nfl without a good coach consistently. It's impossible in bruce. Arians like is atop two or three coach. I don't know. But he's clearly on the upper echelon of coaches. It took them a long time to get hired right. He didn't get hired to the arizona cardinals job till he. I think you know early sixties right now mid to late sixties so he did not get a shot. Despite coaching forever was a head coach in the eighties at temple and then he's had to be an assistant coach for a long time in the nfl success but but even the steelers were he was the offensive coordinator. The rules were still old school. The hated how often he passed and they essentially fired right. But it's been proven when bruce arians your head coach. Your team is going to be good. And if you get the right quarterback or like carson palmer you stay healthy. You're going to be a factor in the playoffs. You're gonna have a chance to win a super bowl last year. The tampa bay buccaneers one simple. But if tom brady would have ended up on a team with an average coach because remember his options were somewhat limited. When he left new england once he decided like bill robert kraft. I'm not going to be the quarterback of the patriots and thinking back. If i were told patriot fans how should you have just kept them. Two hundred fifty million dollars in less than we've gone over this a million times whether he would've stayed whether bell jack even wanted him back whether it was just i he'd give them twenty plus years they'd one six two balls. He'd given them a ton of discount. Sometimes in life is time to just go your separate ways. That's a healthy thing to do. Like sometimes think divorce has this negative connotation every single person. I know that have been divorced. They're always happy. They are always dramatically happier than they were pre. Divorce every fucking single one of them and now in my mid thirties. I know several people that are my age were divorced in. They're happy so thank god. I'm not married her anymore. And i'm sure i don't know about friends with that. Many women who. I'm sure they can say the same things right. I'm glad i kicked him to the curb. It goes both ways now. is bella. Check super happy. We'll find out if mick jones is good but last year cam newton like sure as hell. Wasn't tom brady. But tom brady. Benefited because the niners last year said no it was like whereas options. And i remember august floreal some credit on this one. He's i don't see the option for tom brady. Who was taking tom brady. And there was like. Would the raiders take him and gruden was like you know derek's cheaper even if the raiders taken them which kind of felt like wasn't option. Would that have been a good fit for tom like are. We even sure john's good. What what part of tom. Winning one things. Thomas had now all those years new england and the one year in tampa good coach at this point in time. Tom could probably overcome an average coach but he would not a one big without a big time coach like they won the super bowl. Part of what arians brings the table. Is todd bowles. Todd bowles is arians dude. Why because he coached him at temple. They've known each other for thirty five years. Their relationship is long standing right. He brought todd. Arizona boom targets fire from the jesse brings them to tampa and we all know a big reason. Tampa kicked crap out of the chiefs. Was the defense there even elite todd bowles top two or three d. coordinator in the league. So sometimes we talk about a relationship clearly. The bucks needed an upgrade of quarterback. But tom just couldn't go to some random team with some random coach and just expect to win. That would not have happened. Hell of. Tom woulda gone to san francisco last year. Even though i think is really good. They have so many injuries. He ain't gonna win the super bowl. They would not have won the super bowl. Tom brady because tampa will just has much better players once you factor in all the guys that got hurt so it just sometimes relationships like are mutually beneficial. We always act. Never forget we had parague murata who is the contract. Negotiator on for the forty niners other. Podcasts haber middlekauff check it out. You can find it on youtube as well and he told us and listen. Sometimes you know gm's and personnel will say things because it sounds good. But i do believe him and i do. Think a lot of people in the nfl. Say this. And i would imagine a lot of fans like. Yeah he's lying. You never wanna do a deal where you don't feel like it's a win win you don't want like sometimes and listen. I'm guilty of this but fans and people in my shoes will be like. Oh they fleece them. It happens a lot in baseball and basketball. It happens occasionally in football but for the most part like in basketball whenever you trade for a james harden we've flees the rockets the fleece the the hornets to get anthony. Davis right billy. Bean and his crew have been fleecing other gm's for decades right. But i i would even imagine if you ask billy being. We're not trying to screw over anyone. We're trying to do a legitimate deal. What you think is fair. I think is fair because ultimately you have to get people to say yes. I'll do the deal and billy my first year doing hosting a radio. Show billy trade josh donaldson next year. The dude won the mvp for the blue jays. That was for billy so it's not like anyone's perfect. But i think. Ideally i think about this often you know when i'm looking in the real estate market for arizona going back and forth in my too obsessed with finding the right deal is okay overpay for a little bit. Obviously there are a lot of factors could the economy crash or the economy. Get a boom. Who knows but you got to think about this like. Are you always trying to win a deal. Think about this when i invest in stocks. Like if it doesn't go up fifty percent within a couple of months. It's okay if you lose for a little while it's okay. Take a deep breath. You have to be patient. You have to be okay. You're gonna win some you're gonna lose some just try to do deals that you think are going to work right and tom got a little lucky because his options. We're a little limited that the bucks had a really good coaching staff. Because you could argue just the roster alone was worth. Obviously tom to two years fifty million but he benefited a lot that arians capitulated and they got on the same page of the season went on but really the defense was fantastic and a big reason. The defense was fantastic was because arians bowls areas like. That's a package deal. You don't tom's gonna benefit it again this year. Because you know just because i think it's so fresh todd out of new york. He's probably get another head coaching job but they bring back the whole coaching staff. They not only bring back the whole team. They bring back the whole coaching staff. Which we know is big time life witch and todd bowles left which will be head goats in the league and todd bowles more than likely is gonna get another shot in the nfl. Feel really confident about that. I think new york is really bad. Fit and listen. I don't know. I like ought he was always cool to me. I don't know if he's actually head coach but his resume is going to be so good as a coordinator especially they went back to back. Super bowl is going to get another shot personalities. Just a little quieter. He's not mr media. Which i think sometimes we make too much of that but as a head coach you do wanna bruce arians positive attributes. He can hold out a press conference. He's very comfortable in that. In like he'd be a great podcast or why he likes to talk. You know he's a he's a talker. Sometimes when you're not a talker we don't give you the benefit of that. We don't give you if you don't have equity belt doesn't talk. No one cares. He wins has all these rinks. But before i was when i was a kid that was like people talked a bunch of shit about ballot. Check that he couldn't handle the press conference in cleveland because his personality is terrible but no one cares about your personality once you start winning but when you when you have nothing to base it off of we kinda judge you why areas i think the benefit of the doubt originally put in front of a press conference. It kicks ass when guys are bad at press conferences. And you haven't done anything or you're not winning. We immediately sell you down the river. We think stink so. I don't blame errands. I wouldn't go anywhere either with that team. But i think it's been one of the more we don't talk about it a lot because bella check and brady why think bell check errands or excuse me areas brady and even you can throw in bowls has been a pretty damn healthy relationship and has been pretty you know mutually beneficial for just some high level guys. Obviously tom the highest given his resume but the other guys pretty big to two guys know what they're doing and that's why they think it's fair to say are the favorites definitely in the nfc. We'll see how the chiefs offensive line comes together. I think they're very bullish on it. But the two teams are in the super bowl or the clear favorites to be in super bowl again as they should be k. Let's go middlekauff mailbag at john. Cop is the instagram handle. The direct messages are wide open. Unlike the fairways akilah so you just got a lot of lane fire fire on those dams and get your questions answered here on the show. Jack why did the niners cut marquees lee. I don't know if we talked about this last week. But one thing that happened during rookie minicamps is you're limited on the amount of people you could bring in in terms of like minded free agents. So what some teams did. The niners are an example of this. The giants i know example of this. They brought in veteran players on a tryout basis. The giants i think brought in I wanted to say devin funchess. But i think that's the wrong got kelvin. Benjamin devon punches and kelvin benjamin mixed up. They brought in kelvin. benjamin the niners brought in. Markey's lee you basically give them a workout and assign them. You know they clearly must have had a solid workout but markedly. It's not like they signed to make the team. And i saw today that they signed bennie. Fowler so yeah. I mean you just when you sign these. These contracts has an older veteran player with no guaranteed money. You're positioned to any moment. Could be taken away. It really is what makes you know the nfl. So unique is most of these contracts. You just it's not set in stone. Appreciate the pod is a longtime pats fan. I wonder if a trade package around gilmore and draft picks for. Julio jones would put us back in contention the afc east makes sense from atlanta's point of view as they need cornerback help and the patriots would give jones the ultimate weapons. Good running back room solid a line. Three weapons tight ends in the path would have recently drafted cornerbacks. Well so i find finding a replacement crazy. I would definitely think about doing that. If i was the falcons i would imagine. The patriots are very very interested. In julio jones the problem with julio is a little bit is complicated for some of these teams because technically he gets traded after june one is fifteen million dollars. Which isn't that much money in free agency. This is what i never understand. When you're gonna trade a player trade him when his value in free agency when teams have a bunch of cap space they one hundred million percent could have got like a second round pick for julio jones in free agency when teams had unlimited cap space. There were a ton of teams and a lot of space instead. They wait like clearly. These rumors have been going on for a while. Why didn't they pull the trigger in the middle of march especially when you know you the fourth overall pick and you probably going to get cow pits worst case scenario after more chase there it some of these teams instead of being proactive their reactive. Now they end up getting a second round pick but maybe got more like a second and a fourth i would bidding war. I just stumbled across your profile and saw that you were scout for eagles. I'm naturally a huge eagles fan. And i'm wanting to go into sports management in the future. If you don't mind. I was just wondering how you got into the field. The best way to gain experience. I'm double majoring so this is clearly not a instagram question. That guy manually. Most of you guys listening if probably heard the story. No need to rehash middle cops ascension in college football to the pros to radio to fired multiple places to now broadcaster. Hey john any thoughts on the whole kwami. Ground situation typically. I hate stories like this. You know i would never followed it. But i've clicked on kwami brown a couple of times. I don't know if i'd be messing with. Call me braun. So i'm on team kwami. Just i had no problem with people are going to talk about. Utah ship back. If a bunch of guys are going to rip india there's a million different platforms on instagram. Go on youtube. And i do think kwame brown is talked about like jamarcus russell where google you're like. Damn he had a twelve year. Nba career. He made sixty five million dollars if you would ask me before. This whole thing broke out with him going after basically everyone who's ever said a word about them. How many years did kwami brown play in the nba. I would have said five. He played twelve. I don't think he's as bad as the perception is about him in clearly. He's not happy. I don't blame him. I saw someone on the internet. Said that like he's got kind of a crazy family. So i i would be careful messing with him. I've got a mate from australia on the international player pathway program with the eagles four selected teams or allowed an extra roster spot for an international pathway player. We talked about this last. I think either tuesday or last week with international players. I didn't know much about this. Pathway but clearly as a thing guaranteed two year contract on the practice squad can be elevated at anytime to playing on the roster guaranteed two years contract. That's pretty good deal. I did not know about these guys. I know the eagles new they had that guy from australia was a rugby player. And they want to play offensive line. I didn't know he went through the pathway. Found him like on rugby film. But yeah when. I my first couple of years. I was a pro scout and i used to watch like i forget what the league was called the ufl remember. The sacramento had a team. Nebraska had a team. I think there was a team in texas. There was team. i think florida. Whatever league's going you watch. I also my second year was pretty involved in looking at college basketball and different undersized power forwards that might project either defensive. Enter tight end guys. They had a football background. I use some of my nba contacts. I remember back then. I had a buddy who was an nba scout. And he just went. He would markdown guys that he thought were like knocking to be nba or even international players. There were like six four power forwards at random division one schools. I think this guy you know an nfl player. That was actually something. I met through a metal scout through haberman who the other podcast with who was calling basketball games. Who still does for years in college. You just get to meet scouts. And then i got to meet him and you just kinda create this other kind of web of knowledge. The kind of help me out. And i was able to do. We didn't end up signing any of them but we definitely looked at him and cfl was the cfl one year actually flew to be see vancouver. That place a bad ass. I went to whistler one time in college to go skiing. I think it's the last time. I've skied in my life. That was probably fifteen years ago. I think i got. I got a torn. mc l. so. I probably my knee would go but When we went skiing in whistler it was like early on in december so there wasn't any snow is actually pretty shitty. It wasn't very good. But when i went back for the scouting wissel sweet. I mean the parties the nightlife. Who was bad ass but when i went back vancouver to go to the bbc lions game and scout this defensive lineman who we tried to sign who ended up staying back gave a big race. I remember thinking vancouver is bad ass. That city is sweet. I've had buddies that have gone to toronto of. I've always heard good things about toronto. I've never been. But the one time i went to vancouver. If you're ever thinking about pacific northwest you're in that area. Wanna vancouver i would recommend whistler to if you're into snow and skiing and stuff same with the summer by sweet to whistler vancouver bat asks then to both once both were sweet. That'll do it have a great weekend. Yeah have a good weekend. I diaz. I'm camera bridget anne. I'm adrienne hobart. And we're the host of sweat the details a new podcast from under obama. An iheartradio each week. We'll talk to top performing women and fitness sport and science. It's a podcast by women. Four women hit to shake up the conversation about women in. 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Kwame Brown, Bonnets & Beta-Males

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Kwame Brown, Bonnets & Beta-Males

"Hi this is boom. Oh this is. Tom and this is bad. We are the over. The podcast brought to you by the washington informer bridge podcast network. If you're interested in advertising on our podcast please go to washington a former bridge dot com to check out more episodes and also email info at w. abridged dot com info at w. bridge dot com. If you want to become an advertising partner with us we'll keep dropping him gyms. We hope to see you soon pasia. He's he's. I will be honest with you as much as i support black women. No i don't know man. I don't know if i could advocate for public bonnets. How you feel about is the public man. I know it's three knicks on the company with a sundress of forgiveness. Why would be a company with a sunday with balanced flow flow. Matt is a man of few words today but very poignant would it is very very easy visit to the mall of freedom about on it. I mean i like we were talking about before i suppose it depends on the context like bonnets. Plus you know sweatpants to the grocery doesn't sound that crazy but that story. You told like you might have to retell that story so let me taste them. Because why would you go in jeans. If you've got if you've got a bonnet why would you put genes. Aw defeats everything. I was Story man in my former career. That i retired from. 'cause that's how i'm brandon it now and my former career. I was incubating a nonprofit deaths from the area. Meaning that Within the nonprofit. I was working with. We were providing funding stats data. Kids etc does nonprofit can go from ground zero to you know maybe second third floor forget what they wanna do they would they funded and stuff right so as we are Get ready to sign a new contract and it's actually signing date. Signed a new contract or how much money they're going to get How put them in positions how we putting him given rewards etc etc. These two young ladies. It was noon. They told me earlier that they had a Awards ceremony they were attending. And i was like i said just didn't i invite but could don't Right right exactly cool These two young ladies. And will you. Gary beat with the president of the company the executive director who is my direct boss at the time. They came in pajama pants and balance. Both of them and i was like Deflated why putting me in this position. Because i know the question is going to come like. Hey be how you feel about them and their dress attire today and we know or at least you should know that professionalism is another agent of of whiteness so whether my perspective so was the the rationale. Hey we have this award show coming up. We're in bonnets and stuff as prepping going through makeup and whatnot and we stop by the office the next day and they woke up late type over just like a plan. Like yo y'all gonna meet on this date in. They showed up on this. We had the meeting was dumped like six months. Like it's the whole tracker that we put out. Yeah me so the was coming in. I i guess i i could see the excuse of. Oh we got the award ceremony so we wanna come makeup but like yes when you propose earlier. He didn't give you the use case that they'd be in office like around corporate sponsors in higher ups. I was thinking outside but see unlike georgia avenue. The reason i'm battling is because in in this conversation. The public conversation happening about bonus right now in the public. Conversation is being framed that every other demographic gets to walk around with messy hair or bed air like whatever the hair is when they wake up and it almost becomes a fashion statement right but black women have to have these protective stage and protective agents and styles and devices including the bonnet that even when worn in public ridiculed for that. So the i think the i think. The bonnet conversation stems from the marginalization of black women. As much as i agree there black mid matters like you don't have to be perfect. Should be respected. Black minute matters yeah. That's my thing man. I've trademarking marketed. To baby home. Hold on black mid matters. Mid mid ranking is being a quality point like not everything that black folks do has to be excellent. You've got standard right. So as much as i think that you know you should. You should be able to be imperfect and still be respected. I think the body taking to bonnet dynasty dylan accessory at the end of the day. But you know so. I got to say on as well. We have this impasse over the show. Podcast is your chance to eavesdrop on three professional craters as discussed the sources happenings. And inspirations from the creative industry from film to production to music to culture join us each week as we push the envelope on the possibilities of the creative industries your host for this week are your main man in two thousand grand beam. O'brien what's up baby. How we doing it is your boy. Thomas aka thomas. The great aka titus a man pacman mr backpack pay my debts ten respects to pay for the silent partner. They have also today who got jaycoe happy to be here today. Fall into arenas fucking love. It's so good to see ya. you didn't. It was good to hang out with all this weekend right. We actually did some real life hagen. We shut off might shot at each other. He's actually for france. I was solidly lasting picked. Last name was on a different team and everything talking about yo ass to walk by more african time of you call africa times. You could call it that but we just laughing at you. 'cause like you don't have time man look at it. After should showed up to the to. The matt was african. Time i was. I came in our thirty minutes our hours out at a certain point. I knew i wasn't going to make. It was like wish it was a low now. She wants one. I appreciate appreciate your opponent of your boy's birthday okay. Thirty to thirty three years old man. What's up how you doing man with the with the color homey in the building color university. Shutout mitch here one brother. Yeah air down. We you know what time it is time for the word of the day that day day today. Where today is brought to you by the dictionary app. This is our attempt to expand your lexicon to At abundance to your verbiage to do something to addiction. I don't drop a couple words. See what happens for going to of the day is a palaver. Palaver palaver. Okay okay now. Until means a profuse in idle talk chatter palaver. Looks like that's quite a palaver or dallas. Fight me that will always work. Tau is a very general statement. That just uses it now. Is that a palaver. A hello thanks you. Yeah the examples they always gave kinda shit but you know all the while in the background from cocktail palaver to permanent blog's there were questions about the bona fides Political appointees in the pto leadership. That was yeah. That's when i'm really hanging around naked. Who talk like this. You know what that just made me think of what. I feel like Well as watching something on college admissions don't know what it was. Maybe maybe i just found out that michigan doesn't have affirmative action anymore. john that i feel like right now. i'm thinking about this recently anyway descendants. You just read the statement. You say they lie. They always give shit examples. I feel like that's that's how niggers don't do well on standardized. At and talk like these don't talk like that and even the smart ones. Don't talk and it's not. It's not a question of competency like nota words but it's more like what am i talk like. Maybe we are part of an aristocratic class in nineteen thirty like this shit would have been like a standardized sentences but i mean i mean but like a lot of these. Words seemed like verbose. Way to just say something. Mad regular mike. I'm really gonna say palaver in a sentence talking mahomes. I don't see it. I might use anything else like you know. I don't know something. I they just got to pay. Respect to certain historical at an -nology right because you start consolidating words as part of a culture or language because you know different subgroups have different words that they use it a lot. But i'm sure along the way there's been a natural selection where certain worse like paul average is no longer made the cut. Yes sir you just got to remove those words out the dictionary for good my erasure. Hey does it have where the country of origin the pool avarice. I'm bet you won't benches. Usually they're like latin stuff like that comes from the portuguese palaver. Were what she hulk speech. By by way of sailors slang interesting see my geeky term. Belyaev portuguese pirates was my nerdy ass with think. Like in what you just said mad about like language. Being the amalgamation of culture. Right and tom tom. You just said Regular everyday tom. Right regular everyday talking. Also you said like most shooters latin. So nerdy ashes. Startling portuguese words being replaced portuguese commonly used as a trading language to the west african coast and the indigenous people of that region especially in west africa. Have you ever heard portuguese into it. No it sounds rushing. Have you really think you're listening to how they pronounce words and some other stuff like it. Almost sounds rush. Pardon me For the west coast and palaver came to english in the sense of parlay or conference typically between europeans and the indigenous people interesting so two classes two totally different cultures in power dynamics coming together to try to community talk some shit and now one of those power dynamics has completely eradicated Culture are there is even a porta. We've gone too far. Let's today this might have been the best word of the day that we had. We really like this from now on. Just be like this. Where sucks but just keep talking. Talk about the winds right. Sucks listening to a new podcast. It's called what in the lexicon i think is I think it's a head game podcast but it actually breaks down at analogy like on thirty minute basis and it started with slaying starting so it was pretty dope. Let's get Let's get to this week in creativity. I wanna play a clip for you. That's buzzing. Around internet. Right now from dwayne wade as he talks about his relationship with gabrielle union. Take a listen. Let's get some thoughts relationships you know we come in and we try to change. Try to change them. We want them to be start taking a different approach in this relationship. I think earlier. When i came in. I hate you get dramatic. Bop bop bop bop. She respond on willed to that. Did not reasons for that to let me say that. I have a good life of the party. Right here is not the man leads and a woman false. That's not what we live in this house. You know all over me. I have a white that works. Just not not justice harder deny and see how to own careers. She gotta own life before. I came alone so from For prospective it was. Okay how can i be part of the growth in the evolution of who she is and not trying to change her stunt her. Go for mig her. In a way that i see thoughts fellas delayed has a conversation in which illuminating the fact that in his household with gabrielle. union That he's not on the leadership team. He is on the development team. And then of course we see we go talk about it in the next one but we see a certain subset of of men on twitter who used certain language are having a reaction which is negatively towards doing wayne. Say that he does not. He's a beta male if you will because he doesn't lead as he's made that word. What are your thoughts man. I mean for face value. I just it sounds like how are relationships supposed to be like the for lack of better words inflammatory titling. What is what the article the video is or make you think that he's gonna say something like left but he's really just saying like i encourage my wife and you know she works as equally as hard as i do so we both get a say when things happening type of thing. It's not just me telling her at this goes right. That's how you treat your wife. Your wife is supposed to help you improve your life. You're supposed to help improve her is blah blah but look I don't know anyone who dated. Who would allow me to implement it to drink. I think speaks to the type of women that i date. Just leave it at true. So i mean in terms of leading like i never viewed it as like a man should lead in that way. I think it's a partnership as a team dynamic and he's like we lead in where we have that best. We were best suited to lead it right. Make that decision as a team. You know what. I'm saying like not better mind. Leadership is just lead lead appropriately in a sense right. I think yeah. Communication is more so than anything then I think a bidirectional communication as opposed to what he showed at the beginning which was like a one way directional a two drinks because my reasons like nah nigga zane on that textile and i don't consider that should beta mill. I think i have any fr- hopefully i don't have any friends in my circle even use that term. Because i think there should is we on corny. Yeah nigga classified with them. How i'll have combo with somebody earlier. And i was explaining. Got like you know the the athlete who chooses to have like the trophy wife and says yo you quit your job and then you know all this stuff and she becomes the mom that serves the family and all that like identity today the you created this trophy wife so if you get bored within you don't like it. Whose fault is it but yours right. I that we all agree. So i'm not. I'm not gonna jumping agree draining but let me ask you a question that expands on. Do you think men will see this on a on a macro scale and Want to follow a d. way example. I don't know i got you know. I i i retired from speaker. Further negatives and twenty nineteen. Oh i can't really make jersey up. My bet is tucked off just the way. I really proud of that one. But we. I don't really. I don't really defend randomnessamazon. No i'll get. That's patriarchy him saying like doing but Rephrase the question. Because i did have won't restate the question. The question the question is do you see men following d. Wade's example. i think. I think i think i think men who think the same way as him probably arrived at that point without him fax on the self development or like a. I learned this in my relationship and the whole you like cell seemed like a very variation of the happy wife. Happy life same combination like you know maybe work some things out whether the traditional therapy and non traditional therapy lynn somebody who's actively sought a while ago to get to that type of answer unfortunately know way probably have to put work awhile ago. Yeah yeah yeah to beat ac. He's been through some shit you know in the public eye and he's had to you. Know be astana dude in multiple fronts. That's right that's right. But you think tom i'm i feel like i've been saying my piece you think other diggers followed you way though. No no. I definitely agree. With matt's point of view like those who get to that destination like chose to go out on their own and have their own like self exploration. It really depends on the type type. Power dynamic wanna have in your relationship. Lot of want the superior inferior kind of dynamic. Great you know. And i think i think would women are telling us and what society is shifting towards. Is that that. Would you say you uni directional power power dynamic. It's not gonna work. It's not gonna work to a point that you made earlier time time even if it did work. I'm pretty sure into the day. Nobody gets what they want like you. Don't you try to control someone and you can't and someone who's under control is trying to be under control. And they can so it just seems to be a circle of toxicity. If you will a good way to put it in this in this era of the kevin samuels of the world And which. I hear at a lot of these men who are making anti point against anyway saying that because he doesn't have leadership in his household that somehow makes him week. I just want people to know that. That's that's a direct offset of patriarchy right Patriarchy says that in order for men to have value the day create these little power dynamics and create domain over someone so they can remain in power nashes In it's dangerous to think that because you have a dick or because your genetic code is of a certain a certain type that you have power someone. That's the same thickness. that's the same thing in his whiteness. In my opinion so if you listen to this shit and using terms like beta male you thinking about power dynamics egos off speaking of off though. Oh boy new check maybe a new segment or the social quantum brown dog what the fuck is quite brown. No but seriously serious question. No two questions Call me braun has come after one of my personal heroes charlemagne guy we can talk about that in the senate and secondly though how come call me braun got no show on fox yet. I mean that's that's long overdue. I mean he shooting he shooting off the hip. I haven't seen so many videos. Start off with bitches off the test. They told you Motherfucker mama's cooking get my. Do you find it entertaining or is it like watching the train wreck type of thing. It's a combination of the two. He's like kwami. Brown is like the joker. We'd never ask for because he's just wreaking havoc and there's nothing that you can do about it. I think we charlemagne policy and apologize. He's like fuck y'all apology. Don't get to the bank. I think. I think kwami is the job that we built like was over the last couple. We deserve it definitely. We deserve it. I've been watching old media. Clips of stephen. A smith and skip bayless. Talk about kwame brown when they wanted the same show. And i'm like who This shit does not look good now. There is a whole episode like a series episode two days. when the jalen rosen. Jalen rose versus skip bayless and stephen smith and they're talking about their role as media members in sports in jalen rose says of the last week he's like i don't mind talking about skills and shots at the moment you start calling chris bosh was they call him bosch by slash. Like what does that. What are you critiquing. what are you saying. That moment and they start talking about quarries bonafides crime and stephen doubles down right now. Hearst quick from wrong matt. I i fly stephen. They might be the last nickel on the planet who hasn't responded to kwame round. I think he might be everybody else has either said you know comes. I think what matt barnes and said you know. Come on the podcast. Give us the smoke. Look we can fight before hand if we need to what happened. Kwami just kept releasing more videos. Yeah so now. That wouldn't leave. Set the fuck up. And now he's just like double down on or charlemagne why because charlemagne stepped out there did qualms commies were lewis man and snipe go as like a a youtube battle rapper yet. But as soon as you step out out the gate saying like i almost. He's like bathing into this shit now. Yeah he's a he's like sticking might become the next assigned canvas of talk to. Nick is now Swear shit calling brown become the next assigned campbell that as you gotta chill it just. I can't even pretend like i know that. Is you just gotta go down a couple you to hold joint go down. We a bid down the battle rap Seven whole exciting about that A rabbit i go inside and come back out like i don't necessarily stay there is like Like dr omar shit. So it's like a whole universe a whole multi multi versus like a nigga several of them but okay but On 'cause he did he did. Call down charlemagne on some awesome shit. The thing that i love about quite may brown as we wrap up our weekly station Thing i love about him. Is that match. You put it right. Here's the joker that The joker that we deserve this nigga is just a beacon of a perspective of like. What if you're wrong and of course that expands into other shape. What other should he be talking about. I don't i mean he. He's a couple of times where he pointed out. So you know on these rants. He's talking shit about whoever he's aiming at But then he'll sneak in some shit where my students definitely a right wing ass nigga like if him being unattractive wasn't proof enough was it the mitchell. He made a video while us on a tractor. I believe so but he or he had just came in from being on a tractor. And there's nothing wrong with that. But hey why she start. Reverend candace owens and how she has gotten a fair shake in terms of because there's certain points that she says that a valid when when she started using terms like beta male. When you know you over there right you fully over there like but it still seems like. He is being embraced in a sense. Because like it's just a it's just a a his truth there's a there's a right amazing quote from michael. Cain and the dark knight. Some people just want to watch the world burn so top top events over the week. Let's talk about god. My service some people just want to watch the world bird. That's the way thanks man. That's supposed to be. That was spot on the way. I'll tell you about you man and don't be nervous man. i'm just i'm just. I'm just listening. Although i shot too much smoke. Let me say this before you get started in the event world. I don't think i'll satisfied with anybody's vit- until i started doing might again. I suppose that's fair. 'cause there's a standard okay signet talking about not what i want. Damn we've been trying to get on to talk about it for months. I'll talk about it but talk about your brain on the way our bane coming soon. Go ahead so. I went to groovy dreams which with dreams of triumph It was located Bird land in union market work. Yeah what they do. I'm sorry what did they do like that pop up for his clothing brand are you don't want what is berlin. I mean they just they just put the clothes. A bird landed come through essentially yes like berlin is is like two spaces for the first base is the record store and then the backspace kind of like this open area so you kind of made it. Into his dreams of triumph world had rugs had to close had his his Photos in no prominently framed and stuff like that and made a whole atmosphere for his for his audience. What bird land. No and i feel like the groovy dreams part of it was tapping into the records. In addition to like the theme of the release was compared that comparison. Like not. Forget the exact phrase. I can look up to be to be precise but let me see if i could find it right. Quick i don. I don't really tough. Comparison is a thief of joy So that are pretty much the main the main. What's the word. I'm looking for a theme theme for the for the release. That's as i'm sure is behind it and really some of his other stuff special definitely linked to that. I suppose most definitely we'll see other visual do all right so the second one was a chris. Cardi like we can take over at Common thread case watch room slash in seven words so also union market adjacent and similarly He kind of you know took outside and took it over. Had a little mini golf course in he um four within inside no right beside him there was like a little Just although bar situation and in the girl is making Infused alcoholic drinks and she gave out a sample that you could smell the dunkin And then you know you went inside. The place was adjusted from. Its normal. You know force from its normal Format leo and then you know the open to be open to experience so time time. Now that you've been in events for a minute what are you. Seeing is a trend across like coming into summer. Twenty twenty one. What do you think we're going to see a lot more of this year and moving into next year in terms if experiences i mean i suppose much like our discussion was last year If you've got to do a pop up you really have to like. Make it your own experiences like when you go to be There's like a three dimensional like experience within it. There's the music. There's the artistry and i'm forgetting. The third element helped me. I forgot to many fives. The device s the music artists both visual and sonic right and ended the interview portion which gets the audience. Who's there to really get to know. The person in it creates content. That should get released. Digits so lives. On so it lives in a multidimensional way exists in a multidimensional way. And it's like if you're not doing that or if you're not giving me more than one thing or something that truly makes this your experienced in. What are you giving me or right right. You're very muddy movement this time. What do you want man. I'll need i think Does he gave the gave me. I took the platform that we haven't what else even know. They sound like pretty Interesting events chris car is he has all line just like on original close. Yes that he can pretty those himself. Why don't they go to the gift shop. will i do event. Yeah keep it buck with me. You know the limitation to the amount of space. You have like it's stuck in the front portion. I can't go back for the second space. If i'm coming to an event where y'all will say that's off limits and that's almost the best part That's just me being honest. And i want you to be honest. I want you because the front space. Yes if i can cater this to my liking and can do this w- and make this my world. Yes that's beautiful but you know the backspace. There's already that wall that has the lighting and everything. It would be smart to make to be able to use that interesting. Like like the dreams of triumphing one of the things that made it fun in like fun to be part of was there was a photo booth situation people coming up to that and interacting and doing their thing and there was a girl who was printing polaroid's on the spot. So you come to her. She have your little. Polls you do your little thanks. She takes photo just printed up and hannity get experience extra. Okay actually tip of the hat. But that's like a condemnation. Anything i i guess. I'm just curious. I'm just seeing. I see a lot of black brands in the city doing pop ups in jason places but not. I don't see a lot of people. Just come into knock on the on the door. And i mean like for example in both those situations. Yeah those are personal relationships that now stand to benefit me in this moment so like chris. Cardi has a good relationship with lauren. Who manages the spot and then same thing applies to berlin chadwick who's also known and prominent figures. So if he's giving you the space to do something even if you had if you if you thought of somewhere else this may soon be better to do it here. Because i noticed guy okay relationships everything interesting interesting anyway. What's the money move of the week matt will be guy which are crypto nicosia now sinai. I'm kinda built which i'm not really i. I haven't invested coin but shutout cr nesia. Hopefully anybody who was able to get out of good time. 'cause those definitely going to the moon shadow elon. Musk for heavily. Initiating the markets over the past couple of weeks fucking a lotta news up but There's been a big shift to because china. I believe they taste of big ban on These of cryptocurrencies like bitcoin For something anything that's happening kind of in the mainland so that i think that contributed to a sell off where bitcoin straighten at like fifty five k. To fifty k. And now it's down to like thirty seven inch twenty theory and went from forty one hundred to about twenty six right now so this is just a reminder like you know if you got in a game you in a game you know. It's not a loss until you pull their money out as a loss. That's only time you realize it right. Now consider everything has been on. Sale is very very very big sale. Going on some. You know a third of the value off but this is a great time to get in if he do have some extra money but hey this is the game that we play. You know this isn't etf's where year yet more control risk and whatnot and you know. The volatility is not that data that dramatic. Yeah but you know if you wanna play with the crypto game. Yeah you know you gotta hold on for dear. Life is a bunch of reasons why they have those terms. You know But if you come out on the other end you know kind of taken responsible strategies that selling win schitt gets kind of crazy you know you flip that thinking just see how things will turn out in the next. Six months is What's the word i wanna use. Is it a smart tactic to like just invest the money. You can serve to lose like wesley. Take an ally are you. Really that heartbreaking. Yeah i think there's some risk tolerance. I think it's a i think it's always good to have like. There's a dave ramsey framework. If if you wanna talk about it like that site told the the rule of thumb. And i'm not saying i follow. This is something inspire to follow is to have three to six months of whatever. Your normal income is on hand as liquid savings after that if you have four one ks and companies sponsor Vehicles than take advantage of those max those out otherwise then you can start as long as you have that cushion of savings for three to six months after that you can. You know to invest if you don't do that shit if you don't invest three to six months which i feel like most people don't like just be i like to dollar cost average so instead of trying to like by the dips all the time away for prices. Go up and go down. I don't have time for that shit. I got work to do. I've got other things to do. So i'd rather consistently put in money even if it's a small amount on a daily basis could be twenty bucks a day could be a weekly basis a hundred bucks a week fifty bucks a week into you know just so. I can stay disciplined. So that's my those are those would be my. That would be my advice to kind of get started enduring this time if you do have coins just kinda got in the game. Hold on watch how things shake out a great opportunity to buy in you know reverse thinking and you'll be better off. That's exactly what i did is easy to queen. Mothers walk by. They did carefully making sure we doing what we're supposed to be doing we are. We are matt. I appreciate your advice. I am new to the crypto game. I did get in on the big coin. Three am In a small dip before the crash happened fake out. So i mean is cool. I mean i'm in it for the long game time twain. Light the money that i do have in their. I've been microdosing micro investment To your point this. I mean. I mean i'm not missing. That'd be fine takes turn. I'll be even better right yeah. I would recommend having acorns account app. Download or donald. They have like other apps similar to it. But we're takes change or the difference between a told that you pay for out of store or so say like sixteen sixty three the then like the difference to make that a whole dollar amount would be like thirty seven cents so the key to change type should so over time. Kind of that's how acorn work going so I know a lot of people familiar with the by use. It like even if. I don't want to dip into my savings or if i had like a crazy week like i can just pull you know couple of hundred bucks out of shit and just exactly exactly growing savings account all right. We're gonna take a quick musical break. We play a wonderful tune which is a weird way to describe this next artist. This is our friend from the area. His name is john This is his song. Tell far from the wonderful album drill. Scott heron. we'll be back with more over the soda after this. Don't seve telling baby yeah. She would've have been going to sell finding like. Hey bill piece put up pelted looking initiated. She wouldn't have been self. Got an geek film. She covered potiskum belmont pelted. Looking into milkjam. Like elvis everybody. I have called a sunfish for my bills. But she like eldest away like monty. Catch the kitchen cooking and selfish. But i liked his look was like you should on knuckled. She would have been in south that it a self help like film. She just like a big piece of health. Looking banned. selfless got an cell. Finding with gonna keep tacoma. Bill keep fully piece pelted. She would've hell nah brigadier harm. Anybody film on feel can sit in the hash to kill you to thirty eight. Set a bag surprise. Shabazz came with a tribe. I from the a friend talk to complain. Every day topless a classic again tend to cost. She would have been so she can be just like a piece of the dog. She john up and his job. That was part of the song is columbus is fucking ad-lib y'all listen for a long time masks. My man that's from the from his One of his projects drill. Scott heron love that title love. It said. she wanted a bag till far. I thought that bitch hell. Nah what a poet at all. Food man speaking of equity. If i go to own implant so as a contract writer. I find it pitiful to constantly investigate that which inspires confound disrupt creativity each week. I explore one creative concept deconstructed analyze it to its creative adams. This week a straight black boy loved the rainbow interesting. When i was a kid. I love the rainbow. This is like now. I'm a little thirty second birthday. So i'm getting closer to tom. Time age of forty five so to me for that. Love love them balance. I love them relish. The older tom-tom gets word from one year old. He adds five to mind. That's right. He was forty last week in forty five now can up the fifty anyway anyway When i was a kid love other rainbow. Butterfly in the sky. Love the rainbow definitely acid. I was a kid For a while. But when i was a kid the rainbow didn't simply mean lbj cube ride. And i want to start at the same. But i have no problem with it right. But someone convinced me between Eighty nine and ninety five that the rainbow was gay which meant that. I couldn't participate. I think that was more of a formality of homophobia and patriarchy rather than the fact that the rainbow was somehow taxes. So i asked. My question is the question myself i said when did the rainbow about lbj tq pride. So i didn't google's found something very interesting. I want to check it out. Ok baker in openly gay man and a drag queen designed the first rainbow flag. Baker later revealed that he was urged by harvey milk to create the symbol of pride for the gay community. Now i don't know how much i knew about her history gay rights but i know about harvey milk. Mlk per se. Don't get offended. Black folks but this is due partly mic was detonated when it came to gay rights right gotcha. So beggar decide to make the symbol of flag. Because he saw the flag is the most like the the symbol of a flag as the most powerful symbol of pride. Gosh you so. Baker saw the rainbow is a natural flag from the sky so he adopted eight colors for the stripes. Each color With his own meeting hot pink is for sex race for life oranges for healing yellow for sunlight green for nature turquoise for art into gopher harmony. that's the i not john. This i don't know about roy g biv that's all i knew to right. And that's just because of the rainbow but apparently in the gay flag flag and meaning and well the flag the symbolic flag eight. But the actual flag is six because back in the seventies when it came up with this. They didn't have enough colors to make the other. Two cities. made a six right. But it's really symbolic flag eight flags and for those reasons right. So i find the most important part you said that he saw flags were important. Symbol which troops. Everybody's got a fucking flag and then he said wait. There's something i didn't put in there but He said as a gay person one of the responsibilities to live opening. Live out so the reason why he chose. The rainbow is because the rainbows a flag in the sky. It's like the biggest openness most like that you can have right the lesson. Don't start there because this is the gay dude right and we talk about gay just one letter lbj tickets. This is why they got teachers. Sit and sit in school. He later said an interview Our job as gay people to come out to be visible to live the truth. And as i say to get out of the lie of flag really fit this mission because that's the way it proclaiming visibility to our lessons though. So that was the one thousand. Nine hundred seventies in nineteen ninety-four. This is when the flag changes for us right. Tom us drive in seventy. So you saw it. And then i t ninety four ninety nine to four. The rainbow flag truly became a symbol for lbj. Gt cube reid. Twenty four and twenty five years between gay and lbj. Tq very much so black folks. Don't get up. don't get offended again very much. So freeman bureau vibes. Like we've been free. What do we call ourselves. What do we name ourselves. Turns out in the queer community. Gay is not enough that does not include lesbians is not include. The trans community does not include queer community the question and community etc sex. Enter gender so like As we'd nope we black people we know about the history of liberation as it comes to our race but when i look at lessons like this from just as crazy 'cause now i remember this might be one of my original to deep when i look at situations like this. I feel so empowered by the gay struggle to recognize that they have a lineage in history and not only that but a symbolic to back up their bride tobacco up their perspective. That should is beautiful to me so to answer my own question. Straight black man love the rainbow. Absolutely absolutely that'd be more goes through and you're gonna love it in a few months in the city. 'cause lois it's going to be all over the pa the pro. I used to live fourteenth street though so surround zero. I've just be going to the store. Like oh man in the straw load. We say matt is rainbow flags all over dc. So it's like you go regard team string. I've seen that is who with a complicated relationship. Between brands and symbols deliberations so like brands are using juneteenth like the juneteenth holiday sale. That's what they're doing again coming to the so. That's the thing for real. That's just gonna work. I bet did you hear about shane. Recently no just just add oil sheen no sheen the the company just as companies are using black lives matter flags black products. Juneteenth get black people in the stores. You got them right. This corporations to throwing the rainbow flags the situation gape people use their products. Why because we spend motherfucking money right. Tell me about anytime so sheen is in trouble because they have like a cellphone case. That was a black person. Outlined can jog like that that either just dropped during went viral like within the past like to forty to forty eight hours so everybody's starting across sheen love so i'm keep widow. People get twenty five dollars for one hundred dollars now but they they their punishment right now. 'cause it it seems like brand do this to get the attention of black folks. There was a commercial. I forget who it was trying to look at sound but it was. It was like cut into People wanna do to help invest in communities in one white guy who was on a motorcycle was like i want to invest in black home businesses. Oh fuck out. So i've seen that commercial. They purposely got a white guy to say yeah for impact purposes unlike. They didn't feel they didn't feel real at all not genuine at all times. Sex lead into thoughtful question. Okay but what. i'm. I'm mortgage creative. Deary in oh my goodness. We are the intersection of marketing and black people and we've we had a very challenging conversation. A couple wednesdays ago in which they asked is creative theory doing the work of helping the black community or is investing in creative theory investing in the black community and to which i had to tell these. Wonderful six-figure folks. No we are. Marketing and marketing is a loose term Well we are doing and the quote was brought up as like when you see black folks oughta scream are you being marketed. Are you being representative or you being represented or are you being marketed to Walk into why you're not being represented you not being alleviated your problems. They use the issues of the community like a flag on the store to get you to buy a product glare of not. Now what. I what was naturally come into. My head was the fact that like just because it's in the commercial doesn't mean that actual companies doing the work to uphold it. Say that to you can say whatever the fuck you wanna say. That wasn't that was. That wasn't five for a creative theory. Now boy what i'm saying is as a company and we've seen reports come out recently. I think it was google. Google facebook apple last year they invested this. Exorbitant amount of money into the black community including matriculation strategies within the company hirings strategies from abc news and mike hiring standards to include more black people. Last year it has fallen. They have less black people who work for these companies but they've invested more money into it but you can say whatever the fuck you wanna say. I saw black history month. There was a there was a tweet. Said companies will spin A one million dollars in the community and spend five million dollars marketing. The that feels like the difference between diversity and inclusion like sounds like capitalism and that's asked capitalism in they called diversity inclusion they called a diversity and that's why said it which is my big. My biggest fear is one day. They'll pass reparations it'll be twenty dollars a slap on the ice and they'll always say the rest of american history. We give reparations all right. that's my biggest fear. People using people using the tropes. The names of the nomenclature that supposed to be towards black liberation to market us to market towards us. Goodbye by more fucking clorox anyway question. So today thoughtful question. Almost almost almost today's question is how do you. How do you keep your composure. As a businessman see even his composer facilitate. How do you. How do you know went to stand up for yourself or let go. It's better for the situation like why do you. How do you differentiate between the two A lot of minus experienced driven. Obviously a lot of times. Where did the wrong thing or wish. I spoken up after the fact. But i didn't or maybe i want a little bit too overboard in it. I fell over exposed so it just comes with experience that think is about assessing risk properly. You know at this point I worked hard so that certain things are undeniable. It can't be taken away from me so it's not a matter of how push back or if i respond to something where i don't feel comfortable if i don't feel comfortable situation i mean i like to be in a position where i can just make more moves so experiences also taught me to be flexible and to be Be ready to pivot so But yeah it's it's a rapid about sesame risk of the situation and you know keeping your code. If you've got a code and you feel like you've gotta sticks you know stand up and speak on something and followed their code. I write about you be mosaics. Got to have a code. Gotta have a code always so as that outline on his show before. I've been fired a lot. A lot. Almost double digits now Nice right considered anything to all the times. I've been fired. Each time is because i have spoken out against authority and vibrantly hard talk this. There is no calm there is no reserve. Like if i disagree with you. I disagree with you. I wanna say matter if actually. We went to breakfast the other day the the meal. The meal was terrible. The waiter came fire. Wasn't i said shit was gross. I've matteo but tell you straight up So how do i keep my composure. I often find myself not keeping it. But i feel like that's the brandon. And what i appreciate about developing an entrepreneurial life is that i positioned myself so that people gotta come partner with me. We're partnered so like how you feel about my behavior. I don't really give a fuck like we are going to be successful. I'm successful. you're successful. We're going to be successful coups and And respectful of our partnership. But i'm i'm going to be me right. This this idea of composure. Even we're talking about black men with bonnet idea of composure. Is like an idea to be neutral or a passive or like malleable which is cool in certain situations. I don't want people who aren't certain situations to one day be valuable in the next day. Not being i feel like that's more detrimental because you're being consistent but turns to me like that's just not how i composer. Composure is like not drinking more two drinks when we had the company party. Composure is like making sure i- sanitize my hand before. I walk in a straight gas. Like that's my. That's my composure but Am i going to like hold my tongue when it comes to speaking truth to power never never and if you can handle that shit to me maybe to meet as a more indication of your cowardice rather than like your cats actually stand against something Stand stand for something while someone is pressing you in the opposite direction ryan to me. The strongest leaders that the people who are able to take dissension and questioning towards power and mold that back into the energy of the project. The weak ones are the ones who like out of can't stand opposite opinions. I can't stand people expressing themselves. Authentically this shit's it makes me nervous. I have to lean back on these rules of professionalism in order for me to gain my power back. Not just to me. that's weakness. Look at shit like sport. Like if it's not my personal life for me. So i'm like. I need to be around high performing teams. Because i consider myself as a high-performance player slash acid and if i don't feel like that i've built up a resume in work experience in general experienced enough where it could be like all right about. I'll go. i'll go elsewhere where i'm appreciated. I'll take the things that i need and i'm always whatever situation. I'm in amari looking at the bullet points on a resume or can put in the pitch deck to take away. You know what. I'm saying. So i've already garner takeaways. My values from yourself now can just leverage. That's an execution gotcha. So when i was when i was thinking of this question the context in which i was thinking of it was like Less like a composure. Like you know being like what's the how. how did you say earlier less. Like just giving the dissenting opinion. People don't like it was more like okay. This person has me fucked up. Like am i going to be professional or meighan. Walk away with my dignity. And that's how i handle this Because composure like at least in the way that i'm using like relative it all depends on the situation i got i got you so a situation like do attitude fast. It'd be walking away right like when in in certain situations where my decision is causing me personal anguish. We're doing something that i just vehemently disagree with. Spirit right. just walk away. And even if that means i come back to the team later and express your i to walk away. 'cause i had attitude that just i just got to remove myself situation because if not my natural response is i'm gonna keep attacking this point and show you how wrong you are until you can see how wrong you are. And that's just not always that's not beneficial for teamwork and then the other reason. Why chosen is i. Suppose the context of our last conversation emotions so of people say that emotions don't belong in business and i'm saying that like i'm not saying that your it's all part of it but it's still goes into the top prize whether you to be angry with it or choose to be have an attitude is all part of the whole being like a businessman. You have to have different things that way your decisions. Yeah i mean for me. I've been in sales positions in customer facing roles for the past five or so years. So you know there's been a couple of meetings interactions where somebody's just brash. Somebody's hassle he's gotta learn how to have the skin you know for the sake of the money in the facility for the sake of why we're here right is best that i i. Don't lose my control. Auto lose my temper because i don't stand a risk assessment with do i stand to gain in that particular moment now i go back to my team is certain situations while going out. Go to different avenues in that messages is felt off off the court but why we still game i still gotta i still gotta land got still playing. I still gotta finish the game. The got hit my for ios. I still gotta finish this out. I can't be thrown off in in remove myself from the game. Because i just got flagrant foul or i just got hit by somebody when you least expect it like that right. I don't know like. I guess the reason why i'm bringing it up just like i feel like everybody has a breaking point and you know sometimes like we say depending on the context situations sometimes smart to remove yourself. Sometimes it's better to be like your. This is wrong and this is why and you know just so you don't make this mistake again. This is why. I'm reminding you of right A lot of things What i've learned into professional census like y'all it doesn't need to become a big blow up right in there especially the big damages other people around to witnesses right you can still get your shit off in a one on one. You really can't. Yeah and you know. I think real bosses when nine nine hundred bosses say like that but you will eventually you good leaders in people who just wanna win in whatever field in in in in be good team. Have to have those come. Jesus conversations have to have those discussions. Yeah yeah one of my favorite podcast episodes just like that. The reckoning of andrew at the andrew episodes went off on his right wing right wing shit on july to this thing it was wiling and so the episode before in the next episode. Podcast this is bringing idiots the next episode. Charlemagne waxed the whole group brothers. And it's like oh you was walling growth Should i let s you. But that's just good leadership. I'm laughing because i thought joe biden. Because he did he opposite. Lord have mercy. I think but tom to your point i think not. I think emotional gets a bad rap. Right had a mentor. Tell me one time if you are basing all of your decisions purely logic you don't fuck up a lot precise Emotional gets a bad rap. And i feel like while we own conversation and patriarchy. I feel like that's the way the patriarch. He tries to demonize women. Because women are more in tune with their emotions not in tune. A more emotionally intelligent Than men on a on a social nice cash of social level. You gotta get your get your own massage of time Yeah but women are more emotionally intelligent and so away to demonize emotional decisions that we call nikki motions and making decisions but every businessman is making an emotional decision. Right facts like well we were mutilated house. We were doing research on the emotions of animals. One day i wanted to know of animals can be sad and they did a test and they said that one of the that animals feel is needing like the i. Didn't i never thought about that. Like the the act of wanting something. The act of desiring is an emotion. Apparently animals feel that emotion and we animals so we eating as well saying to say that. Like don't even know why. Tom emotions like you're going to make emotional decisions. It's just part of who you are right even if you wanna make more money that's an emotion but nigga think this emotions as you just sitting at your desk crying thing about don't know if i could make the decision maker. Hesitancy is a is an emotion. I feel like the bigger theme in the context of the question. So y'all hit it on the nose nicely done felony dom y'all wanna get to the The tools are great. Let's do it. So tools of the trade are your metaphysical psychological parcells any tools. They could be literal or metaphorical Any tools that you need throughout the week to help you get through the week. We'd like to close the show on this just to give you know we are east dropping for a you guys are dropping on a great conversation between and so we might as well give them some good advice I don't have one of the top of my headed by welcome i. I'll go first. Met backpack met on twitter at mr backpack on instagram. This isn't a. I'll say this as friends friends are my tool of the trade and have some big potential moves. I will say you know. Elevation opportunities shot to friends. Who had taken time of scheduled to work with me to you. Know tighten up the resume so shout out to france. We love the mystery. Top down what you got. Damn i had one and i literally lost it as as i was about to open my mouth. You might have to replace me. That's all good You could find me mo brown. Ibm o'brien all social media sites. Make sure you listen to who can pay you be mold. Yeah tuesdays and thursday instagram live. Everybody changed that tuesday though. Because tuesday's not working my tool of the trade for this week last week with water. I think who said something about walking last week that you met. I have adopted that. So i am going to double down. Last week's thanks we. I've just been walking like a motherfucker. Now got wet to just be walking. Walk around neighborhood around. Just walk around Now that you thirty two year embracing the old man's pastime the movie the magic well-timed zinc the magic here. You thought you just keep getting me on the podcast. And i'm not going to get you want. This is the beginning of something very special. You gotta tour this time being young it here staying out the way. If he did he he liked take on. That was like a dump tip. You just hit. I'm just saying i'm out of it just came slightly off the boom got so. Don't worry where you know timothy mosque off it. Would you got mine is a determination and discipline de indeed. Yes sir A couple conversations. I've had recently Just have to remind yourself that these are things that you have in the bag. You just you also you always hold onto them. Because i don't know in that same conversation there was like a heavy heavy fixed For lack of bit words fixation on self examination right okay and one of the things i said was like how do you talk to yourself when you buy yourself and is a positive and you have to hold onto these good parts of yourself so you might like you remind yourself young. I am making progress. You i am doing this thing. I'm waking up in the morning and doing this every day. That's a form of discipline. Even though you know you might take for granted woke up today. I brush my teeth today eight today. These are all things that you being good to yourself with. But yeah so determination disciplined and just holding onto the good parts of yourself man. That's good adam. 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EPISODE 115: Kwame Brown vs. The World & NBA Playoffs

NuChannel Sports Podcast

1:24:44 hr | 2 months ago

EPISODE 115: Kwame Brown vs. The World & NBA Playoffs

"On this episode of the podcast. We're going to talk about the play in tournament. Was this excess or was it a failure. We also talk. Nba playoffs with give you predictions on the nba finals. And we're gonna talk about everything regarding kwami brown. Look we're pretty good right now right. We've got a pretty good show horizon getting more numbers when we get to a certain point. We're going to put out aired. I don't hear that so the only said called you sneak. he called. you was steak. Kevin durant you clap back on him or not knowing people when his ear so i think this is kind of look. Is it the line here man. No one is innocent. That's that's my thing nobody's innocent. Don't think that all these people here saying gear kwami call me hypocrites somebody else. Dan hypocrites new artists. Sam you say. Are you scrub man. You a bus. They are hypocrites right. Corno that clubbing people. He got he got now chris subscribing to one hundred hundred thousand in all the comments. Oh go hey kwami give them what they deserve. Call me blah blah blah blah blah. You to say there was saying kwami and now you ruined them on that that part that part you're right i'm saying i'm saying no anesthesia into the new channels. Saw sports podcasts. This is the new channel sports. Podcast we have a jam packed. Show in store for you. My name is the one. And only any i am joined by two magnificent co host. If this is your first time this podcast subscribe. You can do on any major podcast platform available. You can also on our website. New channel sports dot net new channel spill and you channel sports. Apollo instagram yields the follow on twitter. Subscribe to our youtube. Check out our wonderful places on afro vibes tv. Download that roku web. So you can see you dare subscribe to our pod team. Because in the future we're going to allow our listeners to interact with us as well. So we subscribe on. Bobby call into the show and ask some questions and talk about whatever whatever's going on on that date let me introduced two of the hardest working men into universe. No how're you doing. Certain big low coming down the next time. Don't great get that coming back. A never gets old way across from me duff. No no one chris. How're you doing buddy. I was let me come in with the smoke because on the last podcast low said i was fired. Try to do me like rory broke. A man said. I'm back checking a box. Damn thing i'm back. You got another job description. Utah getting fire. But you got a job now don't you. Don't you get somebody. Yes sir. the lead the lead them dot com. Check them out. They're growing subscription very much like a bleacher report. we're growing. I will be writing for the rockets leave. Check out my article you can. I'm article i. I'm going to do with a rate The gm for the houston rockets. I'm a radio first season so check that that should be. There's no there's no congratulate you give us a little preview to what the great might be are you. Can't you know delusion. Make can i can't. I'm gonna talk about a three things. I'll give you the first thing you know. So i'm gonna talk about the james harden trade and how great that season and then you had to read the catcher of the two things about influence canal year by a little bit to know exactly what it is. I liked it. Okay let's get right to show like. I said we have a jam packed. Show we have stuff discussed discuss. Let's do our segment. We had an segment longtime is the good the bad and ugly all right so just so you get an idea. What the good the bad the ugly is. We're just gonna go about telling you what's good and what's bad and was ugly in the world of sports. At this time i will start off with the good and good is the one new york knicks. New york knicks are back in the playoffs. They will be hosting the atlanta hawks in the first round. The playoffs is a beat. Her first trip to the playoffs and aches. They won their final game of the season to get their fourth seed in the eastern conference. They finished with a regular season record of forty one. Thirty one the second best record over the last twenty years so big ups to new york. Knicks is good for the nba is good for the world of sports ahead of new york. Knicks in the playoffs is good for wolf sports. That had new york knicks competing for championships us and they want to compete with. What did a four foresee anything can happen. You have julius randle. rj bear. Tim tebow guys. Those guys playing hard tough basketball. Like i said this is good for the nba. In the world of sports had near knicks are back in the playoffs. Talk about new york knicks basketball on playoffs. We haven't seen him in the playoffs. Really like successfully says back in patrick kane weekdays right and they had komo anthony there. That wasn't a success. we lynn's sanity at one point. That was kind of a big thing. Even lebron james the importance of the new york knicks being in the playoffs. He says no one of his tweets. The league is simply better off when a knicks or winning to this good for the sport of new york. Knicks are back in the. That's crazy and you brought up camello and you had a mar martin. Stop them operate over right. And didn't you you know. And the fact that that team those assets it it's crazy thing about it but as before was the bat in the what you got the bad art the banners craig knows we still talk about twenty twenty had all these issues with race and all that stuff and ruby still dealing with that stuff today so right now we have We have eugene trump. Eugene chung is a former nfl office at linemen pleading for five years appeared of fifty five games with a number teams out the guy after his playing career also coached with the philadelphia eagles and The kansas city chiefs so he's interviewing for a coaching position gregg before coaching position. And the interviewer Tells him well. You're not the right minority mine. Eugene eugene chung is career okay then interview says you're not the right minority guys taken aback. Explain that run up. Run their bang. What you made the last time. I checked when i look in a mirror. I looked like minority in america. Would you tell them off. So so i guess you know it starts getting out and interview stars backtracking so chung like. Nah nah. nah you said it. You said i'm not the right minority so the fact that we still have these kind of issues you know an twenty twenty twenty one and you know. Look man you. People people are really comfortable. Interviewers can really comfortable people in general really comfortable you know. How can you tell somebody. Hey you're not the right minority or you're not the right type of black or you're not the right type of asian. We're looking for the right type of spanish. We're looking for in those type of skin skin complexion about how do we do that. Let you know when you have people that are qualified for the position. Just hired a person if he or she ate what. You won't move around why there's no need to start talking about. You're not the right type of this this that. Why does it have to be that crazy. It is but you got crisper too. Ugly i'm gonna go with roy mcelroy and for those who don't know the bj championship was this week. And common intuit rory mcilroy just one the wells fargo championship kind of lead up to the pga championship A lot of people saying he was going. He was definitely favorite to win the tournament. I'm not saying. I have money on him win the tournament but hasn't skin in the game for him winning the tournament and he ended up tied for forty nights. He did not have a good showing at all. So that's my ugly hurt man. Because roy start off his career get major after major app major and now he's come to a screeching halt and are really the. Pj chip is going. This is going to be it for him to get another major champion trophy he did. Not you know. Part of the ugly is a little ray of sunshine. Good oleg phil mickelson. The oldest person to win a masters championship came out on top by t strokes to win the pga championship. You gotta be happy for that. Because i've always been a big. Yeah matt roy. Mcelroy was being compared tiger woods at some point is you know overtaking him and being run the grace ever do it so to see him kind of fall. Who a bit yet. It's kinda ugly but you know it happens in the world of sports narrow-minded these athletes but maybe bounce back and win some more some more tournaments good job guys so that was the good the bad and the ugly in the world of sports today. Let's dive right into our subject matter for episode one fifteen. We're gonna be talking mostly. Nba a right to play in just happened. It was pretty good to me. It start off bat. Sarov ugly to the good bad ugly because we can do a good bad ugly with the plan tournament on by itself joke but it did star ugly. We had the pacers totally dismantling to charlotte hornets. Was i was all in our charlotte trying to win that game at least be competitive and they will not competitive and after that game. I sent out a tweet and post that to instagram. As well saying that if this is what's in store for the plane we can put trash right now and this was a whole which comments about that about that whole thing because people have there are some people. They're all in with the plan and they're like no no no. We don't play tournament so my question to you guys is after seeing what happened with the plan tournament. Was it a failure. A was it a success. Let me take this first man. This was an unmitigated disaster. It was a disaster. Are you serious conference. A plane was joke. Let's call it what it is. It was blow out after blow out like you mentioned. The pacers blew out the hornets. And in the wizards blew out the the pacers it was just. It was a bear to watch bad teams playing each other in the eastern conference and then in the western conference. Yes lebron james. Hit an incredible shot. What's new lebron. James had a collect. Shot was new but the issue was this. Who is the the most electrifying player in the western conference this season. The answer's clearly steph curry. And he got his team into the. I would call the original playoffs and what happened. You have a play in game. And as much as i love. John moran as much as i love the grizzlies and dillon brooks and those guys jerry jackson junior. They gotta squat. I would much rather see steph curry in the play. I like to see the chef cook. And what they did was. They took a team that was supposed to be in the playoffs. Because of this ridiculous idea play in tournament. We're not getting to watch the most electrifying man in sports. I feel like the man in sports. We can't even watch him because he's eliminated due to a play. And i think it's an air once curry went out. It became an unmitigated failure value. I tell you this who wants to watch the grizzlies versus the utah jazz. Trying to somebody and that was one of the problems that i had what we discuss this on. Lap guys right. Oh we did. We did. And i said the only match even looking forward to just for this day even be a assessor for it to be a point was l. a. And it goes state wars which was a great game but i rather see the golden state warriors who are already in the playoffs. Play a full playoff series right to see if these guys actually deserved. Continue to play. And have i wanna have. I didn't wanna damned to do what was going on in the east. That was nonsense. That was not says basketball. The number of a bunch of bad teams and we had this argument. It was not as basketball bunch of bad teams playing for the for the seventh and eighth. See look look. We should just let them. Whoever was seventy eight over there. Just play and get knocked out by the first the top two seeds going to be anyway right so we can just continue with the plan. Now we have to sit through two days of this playoff stuff and you right chris. You're absolutely right about About memphis don't they play with heart. I do appreciate what what memphis did. They play with a lot of heart They played well so they might be able to sneak in. Maybe a win the series. I think they're coming in at the. Act right exactly. So they're gonna play the phoenix ores detail. Untuckit it'd be really interesting interesting because that's a team that's going to play and give it their one hundred percent then might not be as talented. But they're sneaky young and good team so that that's something i'm looking forward to but otherwise yeah i it's a mixed bag of memphis lewisham things and then having la golden state play but otherwise the east trash. I i grew grucci. More about the east. So you're saying was a failure absolute. Well i'm going to go in and take the successful side of it. I think it was a success. We look at the game between the lakers and the warriors. That's the game. Everybody wants to see and it lived up to the hype is sure did lebron james. That last second shot now less show but the game when he shot to give the lakers to win. That's what we expected to come out of. That is going to be steph. Curry are lebron is definitely steph. Curry versus broncos like chris mentioned steph. Curry was electric in that game. He was shooting shots over court. This classic vintage steph curry and of course you do wanna see steph. Curry in the playoffs itself besieged him into play in and back to back games and seeing the level of competition. Now in the nba. That's why a success because you had that level of competition we're gonna get the absolute best teams in the playoffs. I'm not saying that either. The grizzlies are the golden state. Warriors win win a championship right. No one was saying that if they got into not gonna make a run to go all the way to win a championship. So i do think that his asner element if forces teams to play the out the entire regular season. If you're neff fifth or sixth seed you're like man. We gotta continue to play so that we don't go to that plan. Look at what the dallas mavericks are able to do. They are able to get out of that. That spot for the seven seat. The porn trump is the same thing regard as decimal spot and advanced to go into the playoffs that contains put pressure on the teams to play day in and day out. They can't just rest their place. What we got it. We got to seven seat restaurant players. Now going to the play. I no. They can't do that. The lakers couldn't do that. The lakers had to play a playing games. The lakers had the way it was back in the day where this playoff they would arrested. Lebron james and a d. In the final couple of games so they wouldn't have to go through all this mess but it was highly entertaining to me and for me. It was a success based on all those things. I just said. I would have liked to see steph curry in the playoffs. Yes but the competition element of it. That's what makes sense to me because now you have to continue to play. We already talked about this. Chris off the podcast. Whoever was gonna play against that memphis team. Whether it wasn't be the lakers argo state. We knew dare go in for a battle. So that's why there was so much pressure on him to win deffers game initially to get their seven and that's why i think it was a success. I think you gotta you gotta talk about it through the lens. How i'm seeing it and it's like this if you have the warriors playing the utah jazz. I'm watching every single game of that series at least four games and donovan. Mitchell is hurt dominoes. He's out that we know for sure. He's not playing in game one. We know that already. But we don't know if he's able to come back healthy during the series so it's already going to be very compelling but now watching the jazz versus the grizzlies is does not infamy. I is just not i. Love john moran. he's an he's. He's an electrifying player. But i'd rather watch him one to gained steph curry. I'd rather see four man. That's that's where i stand with this. I'd rather see four games and steph curry at least than to and that. And that's why for me. It's an absolute failure both. Then don't don't don't blame anybody. He played well enough to get in. But you you gotta blame that team. We talked about him being. Mvp race right. This basically put them out of the mvp race. From what i saw because he was not able to get his team over that hump into the playoffs. They add to why you're right. You're right you're right. You're right when we talk about what's going on in the nba is more in his great offense right. I'm not. I'm not blaming him but his quote was about that. Lebron james shot is that it reminded him of the kyrie irving shot. That was hit over him in the finals years ago. So it's about defense to as well. I'm not saying he's going to be able to hold either one. He's not even in the game against the grizzlies. There were some defensive failures on his part in that game as well they gave out. But that's part that's part of my two different things you say if i was going to blame somebody for this mess. I blame the nba. Lebron whoever came up with this idea maybe you should fire him but the next idea he hit his bitch put his ass bitch bitch. Yeah i liked. I liked it. I thought it was a success. It's not going anywhere. I think that if it were lakers though like i mentioned in the last pocket if the lakers would not only look dead. Yes they squashed immediately mother. We talked about the playoff teams. Have their position wrapped up. They begin to kind of coast or they rest starts. I don't have a problem with that because you have eighty two games in nba data. That's a that's a whole lot of play eight games. They know you they don't and that's when we start to get into this What do you call arrest management of what old man load management. We'll get into that okay. Whatever but then in the still about developing the players. So i would rather. I'm okay with okay. You've you've got that foresee got this succeed wrapped up now. It's time to start developing the bottom animal roster so that can have a more well rounded roster in order to mean so. Yeah why why not resto. luke dodgers. Russell arrested lebron james. These games are going account. Okay i'm a move at one or two positions fine whatever you know what i mean look. It's the playoffs. you play. who you play. I might be about playing chess and trying to play off. The field at the end of the day is about you beating your opponent. So who cares if i move to move up and down one or two slots but then today how about we get the bottom roster those guys only getting five minutes a game. Those guys get in two minutes a game you know. Let's get them some plans to get that experience that they need to carry on until the offseason because we need you come playoffs anyway. Let's get you some momentum. let's get you some. You know some experience and carry that into the playoffs so that we can actually have a well rounded and balanced roster. Moving forward some. I'm i'm okay with that with a sport like the like the nba has got so many games you know. And and and to highlight that point thing about about this and game eighty two. The season will brought in eighty were plain lebron tweaked. His angling game eighty two. I'm sorry for the for the people that say. I want every game no matter. Lebron gets hurt in game. Eighty two the next potential sixteen to thirty games in the playoffs or worthless. Because he's not playing. So i just i i miss you. The person came of his idea. You miss me bro. I do not like this playing at all. I can get used to it after four more years ago. The look it could be eighty two. It could be game sixty because they have talked about shortening. The season right a couple of times could it could be a sixty game season and he could tweak his ankle and game sixty now. You said something very interesting when you about okay well. These games don't count so we can disrupt our players. That's the whole point the plane. The plane is to make sure that you maximize the regular season wiz about so they wanna make sure that all eighty two games count. They don't want any low management for eight for any teams right or it hinders them doing any little management for two teams when you had the plan tournament because everybody's always on their heels. Everybody's always trying to play in get that position to be one through six so it was a success. But who doesn't we say. It doesn't count but accounts for somebody. There's somebody that that game council. That's not and who and and we made and one of the things that we're looking at is is the stars the stars are what drives it league. There's actually a lot more players that aren't stars then. There are stars. There's players i'm for check. I'm playing for contract. I'm on this ten day contract right on one year contract. Let let me get my staff. Let me show what i can do. Because i can't play because lebron goat is taking all the damn minutes. I need to play so you rest your ride. That could we spent a lot of money on events. You go ahead and ride that that thing for a little bit. Let me play these last five games so so other teams because ain't about the team. I'm playing right now right. Let me interview for the other teams. I can go lanta contract somewhere and to get more minutes and really prove myself so that game me some an such for the fans. You know what i mean. It does but you know we can't forget about those bench. Ride those second string players. Third string players. Those players are not getting a lotta time. Because it's a very very important moment for those guys you sit out a lot of key things first you talking about the fans. That's the nba's about pleased their fans and in a second of all that's not nba problem. That you're not building your young players. If you look at your problem we're trying to entertain fans. We're trying to get riveted. We're trying to make money for the nba. Because during this bubble they lost some money. They lost a significant amount of money during the bubble. So now they're trying to bring up these other ideas so they can regain some revenue here. So that's your problem. San antonio spurs la lakers on whatever. You have to do that. But we're going to try to make sure that we please fans and that we gain revenue for the nba. So once again. I'll tell you. They gained revenue from it and they please their fans so it was excess regardless of what you do hate it. You're going to be seated next years because this is what the nba about right now though. Because you're right you're absolutely right all right so we go from the play in tournament which was already settled. The boston celtics got seven. Seed and washington wizards got the eighth seed. So that's all set. The playoffs offset right. Now they have been a couple of games had been played in game one. And we're going to go through a little bit of the games. They were gonna give predictions of the nba finals. Who's gonna make the western conference. And who's gonna make in the eastern conference so on the eastern side. Let's go with each site. I and talk about some of those games. The milwaukee bucks barely escaped against the miami heat in game one of their series. Pretty good game got miami. Who's always gonna play tough in. The playoffs led by jimmy butler jaanus. He played okay. But there's some things that i think chris's messages in previous podcast. We already been downplayed this year. Because we don't expect that much from milwaukee but in previous years always that already crowned him that guy. But i'm seeing things from him little bitty things like man if you can't do those little things you can't beat a guy yet. That's why i don't like milwaukee in this series. I think the he's gonna take this series in six or seven. That's my prediction on this series. I just don't like what i saw. I think chris middleton hit that big time shot and desa key to milwaukee even some yards onto kubo. His supporting cast will be the key to this team if they want to surprise people and go to the finals while taking a heat it is in this series For me i i. I hear what you're saying and lassi are took the heat if our call now is right. And i'm gonna be right this year again in taking the bucks the buck's will win the series. But it may take a game seven and i'm saying in six or seven but if i had to pick one pick a game seven and i think the biggest difference is like you mentioned the supporting cast brook. Lopez was phenomenal game one. Chris middleton stepped up and then drew holiday but as things playing chris as good as they played it took overtime from the win. By its overtime. Now's largely honest fault. That even went to over to right. Because if there's missed free throws but just to supporting cast. I think the upgrade from eric bledsoe to drew holiday. Probably the most understated thing. All season drew holiday. Black bledsoe's defender. I think is a better but defendant than Eric bledsoe because he's he's an all nba defender and then on top of that. He's a better score than air. Bledsoe can knock down the three point shot better do i think he's i don't i don't remember how much they paid him. I know they paid him well. Over one hundred million. But i think it's well over one hundred million dollars better than bledsoe things. But do i think that helps them. Get past the miami heat in the series. I do and i think there's one thing that the milwaukee bucks did prior to the playoffs there playing the heat they could meld it in and avoided heating the first row. They didn't do that. they wanna be. They got the heat and they will get all that smoke. But i think they'll get chris preaching version today. I don't care the fact that it took over town the miami. This is still a team that went to the finals last. You know sort her finals last year. So we we talk about the supporting cast. You got that you got that you've got that supporting cast step up for the milwaukee bucks. That's what you're going to need for the rest of the playoffs for me. This is hard. It's hard to pick just because you do. Have jimmy butler. Who knows how to turn up the heat. The miami heat and you know how to rise to the occasion. So it's tough to pick who's going to come out in the series. I'll stick with milwaukee just because they are playoff tested. And i think they just got a little bit more of an enhanced supporting cast right now playing. Well we'll see how that carries over throughout the playoffs. But you know i'm talking. I'm taking milwaukee okay. So you won't take milwaukee. I'm taking the heat any other game. That was played in the eastern conference. We had the brooklyn nets guard against the boston. Celtics the never gonna take this series in four. Who can we do a walk here. Because he's not even the next even played their best basketball and game one day one by eleven. This is a mismatch problem for the through and through which you know. Then that's a mismatch for any team in the eastern conference but the celtics jason. Tatum can do it all. Okay so it's going to be the nets and four. Yeah jaylen brown being out sucks in manda guy. I'm just so disappointed in this kemba walker. He's waited his entire career to play in a playoff series. He was not very good last season in the bubble because he was injured to his credit. But this year he's not injured. He's had the opportunity to play. Well i i wanna see him. Step up. I don't think they're gonna win game but i still wanna see more out of kemba walker and lows. It's gonna you know. Say what we said. So bruce legend nas anything located right in the western conference. Man the clippers against dow's mavericks desk fourth seed and fifth seed here. We go with the clippers clippers. Lose game one of this series. They lose one thirteen to one zero three. And it's the same story. Leonard paul george not necessarily playing their best basketball on the other side of the equation. You have luka doncic who just stepped up and showed a. He's a big time star in this league. I don't care how much you talk about stars and regular season that antony okay star you want to but when you really make a name for yourself is when you do it in the playoffs and would his stat line again. A triple double in this game one. That says a lot to me now. I'm still the clippers in this series. I i don't know why give you an analysis around you the clippers gizzard last approved me to the team. That can do all your chips on the table because the saline is opportunity in this series. It is okay. Okay because they got raised on rondo in this series as well and we thought that was going to be a key piece of them gain over the hump and luca dodges wasn't they played well to porzingas play well also in that game so i mean i mean he played. He played well enough. He played well enough to give him the win. You know he was not bad for as he was just average porzingis his game. And that's good enough for them to beat the clippers. I think it would be but it was so. I'm still picking the clippers to win this series. If they don't win this series the need is brought up. I'm glad i think quite about a man. I gotta i gotta go somewhere else usa myself a life. They apologized the promo have with the series. Because you should pick the clippers problem. I have is. Why didn't they have they say quiet. You're gonna you're gonna guard luca and that's that's what you're gonna do. Everybody else is gonna try to score. You're gonna play defense talking about one of the better defensive players in the nba garden. Luca one on what y'all know more about this in terms of the positioning the switching and all that stuff to do don't understand why the best defensive player on the team isn't taken on the best office a play on a team because that's how you should theoretically be able to beat the mavericks but the fact that you didn't do that they had everybody else guard luca instead of why and everybody else was able to go off because everybody else play well on on on the dallas mavericks right. Porzingas didn't have the best night but you did. Have you know other players step up and be able to contribute so the fact that you didn't put your best player in shutdown luca and say you're not gonna. You're not going to help win this game. It's it's a mystery to me. I think they're gonna find a way to do that the next game but until they do that i have no choice but to pick the the the dallas mavericks choice. I have no choice. why are you doing. Us mavericks fan. I had little choice to pick. The dallas mavericks would've lost by few still chose various. No no no. If there would have lost by fifty is just proven. Mavericks are in the la clippers are just that much superior. Okay i i. I think i different game than what you guys saw. Oh you mentioned porzingas being averaged. I thought he was bad. I did not like the way he played in that game. You just don't like you. Don't like chris chris you just don't like ap. It's not that. i just when you watch him play. He is a unicorn he just has to be better. Because you look at somebody like luka doncic and is playing so well it's like man you really just need that other guy in. it's supposed to be the unicorn. Not instead you had the mavericks go in and shooting almost fifty percent from the three point line seventeen three pointers and they still barely won. The game with the final score is if you watch the game. The barely won that game and they were hidden everything dorn. Fini smith hitting threes. And tim hardaway. Junior who i think is very underrated player in nba hitting a lot of threes. But at the same time quiet. Leonard after that big post donkey handle max kluber. He he jammed on boy. I don't know i've seen but after that he was nowhere to be found up. Playoff p actually showed up particularly in the second half when they needed a big shot heels. Able to take and make the big shot. I think the biggest thing for the clippers. Because i do think they're going to win this series and i'm picking them to win this series in six games. The biggest thing for the clippers is utilizing. Rondo that run the lineup. Better because rundown. This can't be a jump shooter on your team. You can't be just jump shooter. He has to bring the ball down the court and let him orchestrate things that are on and to help quite leonard gate. Easier shots to help. Paul george get easier shots but the mavericks won that game. But i wasn't that impressed. They hit a lot of threes. And i don't know that many threes in this series again but not just the threes do percent almost fifty percent. Threes is hard to beat a team that shoots that way shoot now. You're the clippers. Say do that three more times. 'cause i don't think they can but it's going to be as that's gonna be key from to even continue with this assess because he he played a decent game like mentioned but i thought it was good enough for them to win but he does need to play better as far as you know getting some shots off and scoring and this being a dominant force in the game. If he can't do that then they're not gonna win the series. I don't think but another aspect of it. Is that mental aspect the clippers. Lose game one like. Oh boy he go again. Are we going to blow this series. Not necessarily blow at barbara gonna lose this series when area by thinks. This is great team. So we'll see what happens there and this is. This is gibbs dallas at momentum when you have a superstar like a dodger so we'll see that many times if you give the idea or the confidence they can take over a series. Luca danni has shown in this game. One he can take over the series and win the series single handedly. But i'm still taking the clippers. Low you take into the mavericks dallas chris. You're take 'em out. Take the clippers realizes being honest. Bro your home or home. Behold if he wants to yeah that's cool that's cool and they look. I don't blame me. If on my team to i'll be home also as well. Anything is possible all right in the other game we had the portland trailblazers up against the denver nuggets. We already knew that it was gonna be a little bit difficult for denver nuggets to make a run without their star point guard. Jamal murray. who went Late this year but they still played. Okay but daimler man. I i know kristie say something limit. Can i start this. Because i know you wanna go in damian. Lillard might be the very best first round series player that i've ever in the first round. Deb roy damian. Lillard is a killer bro. The killer so i know the nuggets are not going to survive this series. Because in the first round damian lillard is a killer. Absolute killer ourselves. That's the best backhanded compliment. I could have ever heard Come on your harm. S player in the front. He is a good complement to come after me. I mean that is a couple of bro. We got a little bit can say about that later on. You have this album like that boy. Phenomena roy respect yourselves amazing i love a man i love damian lillard. I love re brings to the table. I've always said that user. Come on make speak with you go. I don't use your word already. They don't get to old. How do you do with that. But david littered is one of the more underrated players of all time. But we've seen this movie before right last year. The portland trail is exact. Same thing as the los angeles lakers they went in. They won their first game. We already know what. La and we all the when necessary still but portland needs to expand on this because denver is still a pretty good team. Even know jamal murray went down. I think porn will win. This is six or seven as well in this series. Denver's not gonna just roll over and be like this is probably gonna piss them off. Okay come back and we're going to play better than we did this game. One brass still pick poland to win and six or seven. I wouldn't be surprised if they wanted to series though but i'm picking portland later date. They play good game one. Yeah i think this changes everything with the injury. The denver had. I mean that was pretty significant. I didn't watch the game. But just based off of the highlights. That i saw i mean you know just looks like it. Looks like they just allow jokes. Kinda go off. And as soon as they took out they took out everybody else so for whatever reason i don't know but it seemed to work so we'll see if that works this time around for the next game but it just seemed like it would just allow joke. It's just to get all his points and just do whatever he wants to do is going to you know. Take out everybody else. Big carmelo carmelo had a great great great shooting night for portland. So i'm just gonna take portland just for the fact that. I think that the nuggets are shorthanded. I do think that this is going to be a long series. And then you know you know what usually happens important going to go out in the second round so all these series. No s might go six or seven. The one series. That may not think portland should should handle this team. You think so really. Well i feel so bad for my fans and denver man. Because if jamal murray didn't get hurt i think they were a championship team. We talked about the ingredients. Yeah all the ingredients to be championship team. And then he got injured. So this one hurts. This hurts me lot because you're seen a championship team. Not with their second best player missing and you can argue in the playoffs. He is their best player. Hurts a lot all right. So let's focus back on eastern conference in the games that were played on sunday. We have the philadelphia. Seventy sixers going against the washington wizards who last spot they win. Game one Joel embiid joel. Embiid in that game. He looked pretty good. Ben simmons played pretty good as as well but to tobias. Harris went off scoring thirty seven points for the philadelphia. Seventy sixers and they're gonna make a run to the nba. Finals is kind of similar to what we talked about with. The milwaukee bucks this is supporting cast has step up. Because you're going to get what you're going to get from joel embiid and then you also have been. Simmons has to play as a big time superstar in that game as as well for philadelphia that advanced. They're going to win. This series against washington wizards. Maybe five maybe six games. Maybe but they're gonna win this series to win. The series is just up to them to continue to build on what they're doing because the real task for them is going to be when they face the brooklyn nets. Yeah this is a walk. There's really not much to discuss here. I was impressed by the Seth curry. Seth curry was amazing. In this game They just had the shooting. They have the right shooting this year. And if you remember this is a couple of years back when the sixers made you know. They want a couple of games in the playoffs. They had shooting ilyasova in rettig and this year. They have seth curry and they have danny green and in they have they have some pieces around right so i think for me this series. It's a walk if they went in and five sherm. I think they could sweep them. But maybe bill and westbrook off in one game and make it a five game series but is the key for the sixers is building building on the dab building on the confidence and preparing for a potential series versus the nets. Because these i surround a walk through finance. yeah. I don't have too much adds that as well. I mean you. You said exactly. We talked about in the past that philadelphia is needed to really round out their roster as well that isn't even better shooters and they and they did that. Have on their team. And now you have a superstar and embiid who's playing up to his potential so just pray for health for that team and just continue that momentum just like said christmas sa got say about that as well. Yeah you know lower. Say much he can talk to mark. Mark my voice is deep and people. Like yeah i got you very well set low and the final game that. We're going to discuss the lakers and suns in the western conference. This suns take game one chris. Paul play pretty good. Lebron james lebron james. I still think the lakers are gonna take this series and six or seven. Even though the sons devon booker and chris paul they played really good. Give him brooker. Played really really good and i just talked about stars making a name for themselves in the playoffs. This opportunity for devon booker to make a name for himself. Because this game right here. If you didn't who brooker was you found out in his game who booker was 'cause he played absolutely great thirty. Four points eight assists. So i look for dinner brooklyn to continue to do this. And hey man if he continued to do that with the communist and chris paul this might be even higher seed. Most people are picking the lakers upsetting making. But i still think the league's witnesses six or seven so you're gonna say what's chess are you. Picking the lakers lakers okay. Man just like everybody else is bigger than legacy bill. Something we're picking. I'm just trying to get them credit for what they're doing very young team. Coming up. devon booker did not get a lot of respect in the game because to him as a star but this is a chance for him to make a name for himself in the players. Don't do me. Chris devon booker clearly star. Nba there's no doubt about that. He proved that in the bubble last year. And really what he's been doing since he's been with the sons. The lakers dropped game one. What's new we all know. Lebron james uses game. One is a field out game. It the lakers job game. do then. i'm and that don't see that happening. I've been the legs gonna take this series and five or six games. The suns played incredible. And i gotta say this has been so good to see the fans in the stadium when a three pointers dropped in the crowd is going wild man not not manufactured noise either actual crowded off watching that suns game in here in the way. The crowd going on in the phoenix fans deserve. That i've been. I've watched games in that arena. The rena is beautiful is old be real is old but it is. It is a nice arena. Eneg there some good loyal fans men. The phoenix fans are loyal. So it was good to see them watch. Their basketball team. Had that type of game on abc. Send offer for them because that's the last time they're going to cheer them. Winning a game in zero. Chris mueller man so chris. Paul didn't have very good game. And you don't want that. I mean i'm looking at his stat line right there i mean. He's only had eight assists but devon booker really took over the game. I think it'd be really really interesting to see how far the sons able to push the lakers. If i'm the phoenix suns. I'm their head coach. I'm saying look we're putting we're being physical with bron. James and anthony. Day was very physical with these guys. There are superstars will be physical. We're gonna make them work for everything as they're just coming off injuries. I'm to i'm going to take the suns in this series because i think it'll be chess chelsea. I'm gonna take the some of the series just. Because i i'd like to see them. Continue to produce in the playoff. I'd see how far this teams they will go out. So i'm going to take the sons. The la lakers champs. You gotta beat the champ. The it is what it is. Both guys anthony davis lebron james. They're healthy on the game contributions from the bench and from the the rest of the row player contribution. So naturally that's going to be everyone's pick. I won't be upset or i to be taken aback at the lakers went right. But i'm going to go with the sons here. Just because i wanna see the what the number two seed you know. Maintain what they are and make a run in the playoffs. I'm taking all so low. Taking this need a drug test we need to drug as low as saying in the first round not one but both. La teams are to be out. I just want the clippers lakers out. It's possible and limited to and some things on the show and guess what it has happened. He has happened. So i'm saying much as i am backing down baby back down. Let chris intimidates you talk about you know. Hey tim nate you so you got two sons mean. Chris got the lakers real quick. We're gonna talk about the hawks in next. We're recording during. The game is halftime right now. Hawks are to take the knicks. I'm gonna keep this magic carpet ride going with the knicks. They're going to win this series and move onto the next round. Who you got chris. Oh man this is this great series so you have the new york knickerbockers versus the atlanta hawks. This is amazing. This is one of those series that you waited all eighty two games plus seventy this rando trae young. You have these two teams going back and forth. But i don't care one game this series zero to me zero to me because nothing in the grand scheme of things but i do like what time with new york and i'm happy for trae young. I really am have you guys. But i'm not watching this. Who you taking their. If you're not gonna watch it. I'll take care i'll go with. The knicks got a corn corn flow. A on any new york or atlanta hawks pairs. And this is the podcast. Please those listening because they while the other day we. I care about the gate little talk. Be talking about this. A new york. Like i've mentioned in the good the bad ugly. They are back in the playoffs. Atlanta to is in the playoffs as well. Too young teams are going at it is going to be a very entertaining series because we have two of these teams battling out. This might be low key. The most one the more entertaining series in the whole of the playoffs. Yes really oakley yes. A fourth and fifth seagoing netted. I do think near on win this series in maybe six or seven so i think they're to pass the next round on those guys do this top stop 'cause atlanta atlanta fans near turned off by you right now this all right so the jazz and the grizzlies over in the western conference one-seat versus the a seed idea jazz going to take care of the grizzlies. Okay care by says it's going to be four or five games. John mirant if he does go super san. It won't matter. The jazz are built for the series. They are going to demolish the grizzlies in my opinion. And it's going to be four five games. Upset alert set alert. I'm going with the memphis. Grizzlies series with the caveat that dominant michio. I don't think he's healthy. I'll just say i do not think donovan mitchell. He's not healthy. If he's not healthy chris then it will be more consensus but yeah going gweat glutton and and that's really what i'm talking about. I don't think he's healthy. He has an ankle injury. If he's not healthy the grizzlies are gonna take this six games. He's how I was already going to say. I was going to be game series with the utah jazz taken it. That is very interesting that you bring up the donovan mitchell injury. That happened the last game from mistaken. Correct when did that. He's been here for awhile hurtful while okay. So do we know if he's coming back he's gonna come back. He hasn't come back. Well that's going to be tough. I still jess the jazz taken. Says i've got the here. I think they match their defense is really good over there in utah. So i think that syria so real quick. Who do we have going tambi. I will start going star. Power all the way on the eastern side. You got philadelphia. You got milwaukee. You got the miami heat but it is a brooklyn nets to brooklyn that should represent the eastern conference in the finals over into west. I'm going to go with lebron james. I'm not gonna bet against the brian james right now. I know it's a tough feat for him and they have a tough road ahead mouth to you that right now if they want to get back there but if anybody can do it it is definitely king james. I'm going with king. James and the lakers two weapons to represent their west looking at brooklyn. La finals and am. I gonna spend much time. I've been saying all year lakers nets finals can't wait. I said the same thing but for the purposes of what i said on this podcast Today back now can't take it back. So i said but had both la teams not making it out and it take. It will take a historic feat of being the number seven seed to make it all way to the finals. Which is possible for the lakers. But i just said that due to their positioning where the right now that they're not gonna make it out. So i have no choice but to pick the utah jazz. My lord and brooklyn nets will please no damage to be healthy. Being better be gotta go bro tackle. Well we'll see we'll see could have taken in east the net. He's taking a nets man. The knicks are going to have. They may have an easy road going to the finals. And then the west. They're going to have to fight tooth and nail to get there so they're already going to have some some. You know scars going in so that might. We'll see what happens in the finals. We will see what happens all right. So let's talk about kwami brown mab. Barnes and stephen a nasty. Uh-huh matt barnes and stephen actually becky with the good. We're gonna get to that bad so funny man. Chrissy go is is. Let's call the bad by his debut. Initially okay 'cause he's not bars war basically 'cause anyway so we have bad bards every steven jackson. They are the host of a very popular podcast. All the smoke and they had a podcast with guest gilbert arenas on where they were talking about kwami route. Let me let me go and play audio rookie for you guys to to to see how this all started it was. You know you're you're you're you're going out of the jordan era near coming in well. It was one of those things where i'm not coming. I'm coming into enormous quantum browns there. So he's the franchise. I yeah he's visa franchise talking the previous show which is had how good appointment was killed a man. Not on one note. Top number one picks around right disable. Mack matt saying that i had a mess wanted to a one of the best number one thinks of all tying. He could've been could've he could have been and this is why. Imagine in eighteen zero kagan draft number one by your Your idol your idol. Is mike resort. We know michael jordan. We know michael jordan personality right imagine that personality slapped him in the face going towards a eight year. Old kid just you know just bullying. You ain't gotta remember. He's around his peers. You're not his peers right. You know what i mean. You're not his these his peers. So when you're making him logo little to his peers loses confidence. So when i get there he doesn't have confidence. You know what. I mean so is trying to build this this child up when i mean man shot. You're you're talking about It's just a big country human. You know what i mean. So physically he has is a show pony shores. Look good you know what i mean so you use like you'll see like you see flashes like aw he's gone but then you have a flash of trauma flat you have trauma you like. Not who he could have been could have been more like a anthony. Davis style You talking about a seven foot guy who was probably the thick and fast as on our team like destroyed hundred out. He was gone small hands so he was more gore When he decided to take off he's gone ball. Still there. And i mean but i just i just think it was say ipe the ball with sudan but it was more. It was more the trauma than anything. It was more like join leads. He's still needed averaging once. I got there which you know what i mean. I is either your team. We both in the same draft. And i mean we both in the same driving right now. I make more money. And he's taking his team and it didn't right now is like between me stackhouse. So that was the the meat of what was said about colby brown coming in and his his role there with the washington wizards and brown just went totally nuclear. After that he had a budget stuff to say about different people. Anybody else to have anything to do with it. He also has to say he. This is like to pack him up. This is like nour's in either. This is like a pusher t the story of audio adeane all the albums you want to mention ever made. This is what he did in response to this is is cube no vastly can. Can i tell you why relate to their so well because if you haven't seen me on the website or on our instagram page. I may six for dude and in sco our big dude. To if whatever reason. I was at target right like people will come for me because if i can take the biggest do i'll be that dude and a lotta times. I let it go because my mom was like if you get into fights. Iq you gotta make a decision. I had to make a business decision here but also one day when do came up. Like you know what this is it. I'm had to show you had to show you six bucks. And everybody's looking around like what chris going out. There were stunned and this is how exactly how. I felt about connie brown. He was being quiet for over twenty years soon as that sense. Nothing for almost twenty years and then they went on all the smoke and they didn't all the smoke matt barnes. So he's getting the most smoke he said. The least during that that exchange you just played but he had the most poignant part making fun of him sane or he's the best number one pick of all time in the kind of laughing it off like bro who are. You can't do that so the becky with the good hair part. I'm all for from forevermore. When i see matt barnes face i'm like oh that's becky with the good hair and it's and it's all his fault. He had no reason to bring up. Kwami brown no reason to bring up. Call me round. But he did and steven jackson getting the smoke to and the thing i really like about this is quite brown is telling his story himself. And he's mentioned this several times in his entire career. How many interviews have we seen him actually speaking. We really don't have that. Many people are always talking for him. We talk about stephen a smith who's made the beginning of his career. Espn basically calling this teenager really. He's in his early twenties at that point trash garbage. You call run. I'm called and charlemagne the guy on the breakfast club. He's coming for him to quit. It's something that he did. That was real fine. I about this and he was talking about him on the breakfast club and basically mentioned. Connie brown's family extended family at this point and some of the crimes that were committed and it didn't really make any sense. Like why would you. It'd be like me talking about you men. Did you know some people. His family. The abc like what's that gotta do what you like. What does that have to do with with with kami brown. So he's getting some smoke too because he hasn't bones in his past. I'm just here for it. I'm here for it because what we do on this podcast going. Be we talk about players. In like damian lillard we in cam newton and we all have our favorites but we don't just slam players for no reason because there's no reason to do that. There's no reason to slam a human being. And we don't do that. We can entertain your. We'll keep you entertained. But we'll slam people so for brown's what he's doing. I'm all for all for it like this. This has been. I'm skonto youtube. When i see around all over the place. I'm like what's what's what's going on. I didn't know the origin of the story. I you know. I'm all of a sudden flow will kwame brown everywhere. I'm like wait. A minute is is this is this new stuff is stuff because it was it was comic. Brown goes off on nisa common ground. Does this calm. I'm like okay. Wh- where's all this stuff coming from. And finally you know gets a. I watched the show and was stephen jackson. And and all of that. And i'm like okay. Okay now understand now. I didn't agree with how they were out. There were poking fun at him. Poke fun at him calling him. The the the best number one pick it ever but what else more interested in listening to was gilbert arenas store so that we understood the background of kwami and just you know what happened in that situation right and then i got to listen to some other shows You know just kind of talked about you. Know his his time and who and who is drafted by what. It was drafted by. Who the wizards right michael jordan on entertainment. You have an eighteen year old kid who which. I didn't see anything wrong. With what a lot of these people were saying in terms of just as basketball player in his confidence is what they were saying was what they were saying was. Well i mean you you. you're eighteen years old. you hear with your idols. He played with kobe. You play with With michael and they're very similar in terms of their leadership style and essentially that leadership style. You know probably drop his confidence quite a bit. I agree with where quantity is coming from in terms of. Look i is say the damn thing. I haven't opened my mouth. I am not mad at this man for coming out and just land ablaze in flame on all the social media platforms and calling everybody out. Everybody can get a who gives a damn 'cause it's been quiet so i'm cool with it but is really interesting to really just understand you know that aspect of you know the confidence level. And maybe if he was about team maybe his confidence of will be you know a lot. You know much better to wear his. His play was a little bit better but really listening to gilbert arenas arenas kind of talk about some of those aspects you know in game was very very interesting to understand the character of climbing brown but that dude is hella hilarious. That matt funny as f- that was entertaining a man cobby all in on anybody. The has eddie kind of opinion. He might go argue low. And this is what you said. let's as they. They say he's going to any everybody any everybody now. When i originally heard this whole thing would alda smoke. I said to myself this is not that bad man. I don't i don't understand why he so upset man so i had. Let's do it again and the more. Listen to the more you like. You know what they kinda snickering f. I when i heard audio i thought okay matt. Barnes seriously thought that he was one of the greatest first round picks of all time. That's what i thought when i ireland. What's wrong with it. He thinks he's one grace but we listened to gaelic. Oh are they mocking him. Say stephen jackson is what made it so. I mean he'd made that made it worse. 'cause you started yes i think so even know man bars gate. The blood of everything. Stephen jackson's that initiated a did you say this about his. And he kind of snickered. So i mean yes. They are making fun of the fact that he was the number one overall draft. Pick in the nba. And they're pretty much basically saying that he was a bust basically What defines a bust. I really and truly. I don't against that later. But so djamil. He'll she wants to put in some some stuff about over's going now so he tweeted out something right so djamil hill tweet out. Call me braun. Got me checking the tape to make sure. I ever said about him if i did. I'm sorry please. Don't talk about my mama. So that's she said at first then she poses something else. Call me braun today and yesterday and it has violence and it's like clicked on green brown. Didn't like that at all. Common ground was like okay. First of all you guys stay in your lane right either to roman talking you stay in your lane and this has nothing to do with you so call me braun response. He said he's staying lane and he didn't know what he says comey djamil. He'll came back and said to kwami brown. I said you chose. Violence is an expression from game of thrones. I didn't call you violent. Please and thank you. So it'd been going back and forth with that andy. No this is. None of her business basically she. She put her nose into the business. Very solid going anybody. Now's not saying then they're like okay. Rachel nichols had a little post up on twitter as well. She was saying something she quickly turned. That you put it away. 'cause he's quite around we. I never cut his much on his blog. I'm like three separate times because we're talking about it got because but she took that step down in two as well because qualms come on. Stephen a smith is getting it. 'cause seeming smith out of every month stephen is the most out of everybody he mentioned. No not exactly clear he. I didn't even know how hard he was going on. Call me round your seventeen-year-old ato kid but look. I'm not gonna be hypocritically. okay. I'm i'm wondering on this. Podcast is a sports podcast. And you know you have different things during the course of time. That changed where we do things. This is going to be a change in the way that people analyze athletes right. 'cause athletes right now man. Look at what stephen. A smith and russell westbrook went through recently. Look at what. Charles barkley and lebron james have gone through shack. And what's the guys named joe. Vail mcgee no one is innocent in this whole thing just me personally on his pockets. I have said things about athletes that they might look like. Oh really oh and you think about me and they could have gone hard on me. This is a big difference though it all. There's there is a difference because this is for. Cobby brown's twenty years. I'm this talking on the other. End of spectrum chris as me being the host of a sports podcast. Because he's giving it to everybody chris. Okay we're talking about jimmy l. He'll we're talking about we'll bonn is getting skip. Bayless is gaining everybody. That have anything to say. Get i could get it. Just were saying without mentioning his name. I don't think that's what he's doing. So that's why. I got stopped because he's giving it to people who talked about him in certain ways that have been negative and very negative. I have not heard we'll video. I haven't gone yet. Anything negative about him. He went off on during his career. Liquid liquid the video with stephen as well we we. We say this so he was out of college. Stephen smith talking about this man. Let's that's for me. When i watched that video. Honestly it didn't know it existed until call me braun pointed me to the video when i watched that video i was upset because i'm like bro. You've made you've made a career off of this man. It's not to say the stephen a smith and wasn't successful. Prior to that. I get that he was with philadelphia inquirer. He was a good rider covering What's his name. Alan iverson so i know he was good there but he he exploded talking about kwami brown. We all knew that. So i have no problem with him. Coming after people you talking about djamil hill. It wasn't as random that he mentioned djamil hill. He mentioned her because she put herself in a position. Like why are you even bringing this up. She put up that tweet a whole by. Say nothing about him to get to get clicks people. That's funny ha. He's going crazy. Ha ha love milk she gets. She deserves she. Should've put him up in this. I'm not disagreeing with you. And that's just going to but look is one thing to talk about some. That's not sports related bright. This is the new channel sports. Podcast the reason we're bringing up. Call me braun right now. Because he's a basketball player and he's going after basketball players and people in the sports media right just a couple of episodes ago chris. You said that dwayne wade was the most overrated player vault wake of here all really based on that opinion chris. You're gonna get the smoke right now. I had no problem living. But there's a difference this insane somebody's overrated and then quantifying that it's a whole different thing to say you warm garbage different we have. We have called sista your garbage. We have called. i'm six myself. I have definitely called players. Not good his pocket. I have made river since two prescott. And as i have said. He's because we have another member of this podcast. Shout trae is a big dak. Prescott is not nothing personal. When are we talking. It's like barbershop talk. Shop people are people are going to say some mean things about players. The problem i in barbershop talk barbershop took. It is but we usually quantify these. Hey this is why we think this person is but but hold on. Let go all right. Why are they saying this about carlberg kuzma for years. Because he was a first round. I haven't i haven't heard it. I i haven't heard. I haven't heard any it but the the i haven't heard any i haven't heard any as far as him as a player haven't heard any of the stuff right but just purely based off what we're talking now at it's somebody who's made a career ofo straight up trash if we're just talking if that's what it is that steven a. And i love stephen. I i used to hate them. But just listen to a more understand. Where and how you know with the answer about a understand now. But if that's what's made him blow up trashing his guy if he's literally been trashing and talking dog stuff about quantum brown the net. That's a whole different type of situation. You know what i mean. And that's something that we can do behind the scenes when we're having actual barbershop talk when we're not on national media went out on radio no one else has people. That's what we do. We'll say look. I don't care about. This person has a player because of x. y. and z. And i just don't believe he can do x. y. and z. That's that's okay. That's gone off because the volcano exploded. I've i've had enough. I've had enough and these two m efforts snickering on the. I'm just i'm going off. He saw that was like. Oh i tolerated this with stephen and i i was i was happy. Going twenty is not saying. I'm a damn thing and you got you to boy. You got you to thank you to that. That aren't necessarily superstars and more superstars snickering and and having for me now matter of fact. Nah i'm i'm not gonna use a the guns references. That's what i was getting ready. I'm spraying water on everybody. Okay man sprinkling water on free. But i really like what low said because at end of the day this guy was number one great. He was a number one overall. Pick for straight from high school. I wanted to do it so he clearly had skill didn't it didn't work out. Yes but why are we talking about him. Twenty years later. And i think the the key here for me is the person i quite most to him if somebody like a ryan leaf because we talk about ryan leaf all the time in sports media. But it's not necessarily that he's trash. You don't hear it that way you really don't is okay. It didn't work out. call him a bust. Whatever call somebody a bust best fine if you wanna coma buses five when you call somebody trash garbage a guy who's number one and then you have someone like matt barnes and stephen jackson hooper's by hoop all day they. They weren't on that level. They just weren't so you can't do that. And if you notice he's not really going in on gilbert arenas no he's not not. He said that uber arenas took money from. He went on on a little bit. He said little bit he loved them. Watch every video he's posted. I've watched them all rights and on. Becky has gone everybody. That has mentioned his name except for basically shannon sharpe. But he's gone on everybody. Let's make has been. He'd been dragging his name for years. So it's not like it's random. I don't want say i'm not saying random. I'm saying random thing bro random. I said that whatever. He has a response where every saint save. What you got to say. 'cause like like you said it's been twenty years and he's finally saying something. Go ahead and do do. I'm speaking on the other side of the spectrum. Because i speaking as you guys had to be involved if you guys are doing your own thing you narrow ballplayers from your life. That's fine but even if if i tweet something about somebody is because they're in the realm of a sports joke or no joke I'm tweeting about it is my platform. If you like it you like it if you don't you don't whatever 'cause people tweet about stuff all the time and if he wants to take offense to that because i'm tweens about him then fine. Whatever you think is my business then find whatever people put. Their nose was business all the time. No i did you mail. He'll into this conversation did you did you your history. Okay i think is in that room. I really china's little sheila. She says that he was going off bro. She saw that he was going off and he was like so. You want the smoke. Do as she got it she got it. I agree with you. May she say anything different. You're saying it's a little different. Because if i come up today so we'll just talk about the nets. The knicks in the hawks. Right my say. I'm interested in this series not interested at all. I can sit on a tweet saying not interested. Don't care who wins. That's different from me. Sane oh these warm garbage. She didn't say that. Chris that's not what she said. Shrimp let me really read the tweet. Because that is not what she said she was basically saying joke about the situation home worth get this whole. Okay that's fine. I have no issue with her saying that. If you're going to tweet something about somebody be ready to receive that small. So that's what she did. Simple having is that people are saying oh man she shouldn't twenty th anniversary. We don't have problem with that either. She shouldn't have been their business. I understand it brown the saying if you have a platform you on twitter. Your instagram facebook. You can tweet whatever the hell you want to. Use your platform okay. As she's twin something about someone who's in the sports realm so as we're not all that off target let me just read one more time when she said kwami brown got me checking the tape to make sure i ain't ever about him if i did. I'm sorry please. Don't talk about my mom. Now it was. It was joke like but the one hundred look. Look you can take an care of your ticket. Is her platform. She can tailor she wants to tweak what she in some grown man business. Yes but i like. I said before this whole thing started i relating this to me because i can see myself doing something like that. This is about me. You guys might take a day man as a joke. Aibo imus about you. Before in the past if i did. I'm sorry i'll be in their business but it isn't my platform and guess what by doing all the smoke then you get because it because once again the volcano the volcano is now being stingy with nothing. So whether you apologize not oh you apologizing will you can get this too because xyz's as i agree with that. I have no problem with this difference. I see if you owe is. Ucla's auto harm no foul. She has a platform. I grew you have your. We have our platform. We can say whatever we want right. That's that's that's the war in now. Why because you have a phone. You can make an account. Hey this because you have the license to say what you want like. We already know the smokes coming. So we're talking about that but just because we have the licenses. Say whatever you want doesn't make what you say right and nothing. That's the problem is is that she was wrong. They're wrong. I get it. If you watch the videos that he had and the anger he was coming with saying lead he's basically coming out and saying leave me alone like why. Are you messing the dmitri. It's learned i got your name breath. Dmitri tv listen to this podcast. You know what i did to you play. All your people who had the boy's name was the msci. I can't remember his last name but either way like one boy communist said. He got some a mama's cooking day. I gave him some cooking that day. And i just think that when you're djamil hill you just you gotta realize stay out of it. Because they're times with some gets real hard right. I'm not that guy if we say something about a player let's just say wait. Wait i call them over rated player of all time right if you made a video. And he had guns. Msa he would do this. This is hypothetical if you had a video say he had guns and he had a mask on your chris. I'm coming for some like that. You're not hearing me. Say not teams. Would you say was wrong though. I would disagree with what this real. What she's saying but to say look at this. Ross is it's not it's not. It's a thin line with criticism. There's a thin mama criticism. I hear what you're saying but there's there's criticism and then it's too far either. She didn't she didn't say that she said anything wrong. But it's the it's the fact that the dudes already got bodies all over the place. Now you're making yourself a target you're purposely making yourself talk and that's fine too and that's completely okay too but just that you. You already know bullets spraying and now you will for your whistle while you willfully walking to the. You're walking towards the killer. Why you x. y. Okay do reason why for likes and hearts. No no no no no no. We'll part of it don't know air by everybody. Plays the game does why right right but look but look we want to be talking about this right now if it was an actor if it was someone else. We're talking about it. Because he's talking about a sports podcast with matt barnes and stephen jackson and kwame brown. That's why we're talking about right. We wouldn't be talking about this. It was read. That's why we're we're forced not force but we're engaged to talk about it. We when we talk about so because we're all big. Sports has here we when we look on our facebook or instagram is mostly sports content. That we're looking at and that's why she gave her opinion on this. I it was a joke Job we know that she shouldn't have been joking about quasi brown because it was all business bad board. You just say though. Walk into a room. She seeing bodies blush by a job right now not thinking that she was get sprayed by think she. She responded accordingly. It was like okay. I got sprayed. Let me tell you why. I don't think he should be kind of thing. 'cause i don't want everybody to think that we don't have an opinion took to voice. You can voice your opinion on your platform wrong all right. I'll say that was wrong. Chris this because if you think is wrong fine what what are we talking about right. I'm just like oh no. no. I'm saying that i'm looking at myself and what i could be doing. Because what we're saying. Is that your initial saying that because she voiced her opinion and call me bound cla- back on her. That was all fine. Which was agreeing with you all the things that i could see myself in this situation. I'm just saying the tweet right. My platform and quarterback on me. Because of tweet i said hey if the smoke is coming to smoke is coming. That's all i'm saying because i'm looking at me personally. As being in the sports realm run the sport around low this a whole new look. We're pretty good right now right. We're peru we've got a pretty good show were rising. We're getting more numbers. We get to a certain point. We're gonna put it out. Everybody will hear that. So the only said he called you sneak. He called you a snake. Kevin durant clapback. You know people in this year. So i think this is kind of this is a thin line here man. No one is innocent. That's that's my thing. Nobody don't think that all these people here saying jerry kwami grits somebody else some damn hypocrites because some of y'all to say are you a scrub man you a bust. They are hypocrites. Kwami know that coronado people he got he got now grice subscriber two hundred hundred thousand and your own comments. Oh go ahead. Call getting what they deserve. Call me blah blah blah blah blah usa. There were saying to save kwami rooting them on that. That part that part. What i'm saying. I'm saying no rocket i think it's for me just comes to a certain point where as i'm gonna be real as a black man with the criticism that he's gotten. It's just kind of like come. Why are we still talking about. And i think that's where it's come to because there's there's a line. There is a line between criticism and then too far. Yes yes and they crossed the line. Fifteen years ago and kouadio browsers game that heat right now. I agree with everything. I it took me a while because i had to look at the history when i first heard it on the podcast. This is not that bad going on doing our culture you know. People hit people s sets of me growing up about my shoes commute scrub teammates. Have called me scrubs teammates on the basketball court a you a scrub at i go passionate about what's going on but as you look at it a little bit to the depth of it and after so long everybody has their breaking point right this breaking point and kwami is giving the heat like straight burning from hail heat anybody and mow my biggest thing with this and it's just interesting you know outside of all of the all of the entertainment is the quami big ups because this dude i can listen to this i can listen to this do i really could cause and he's dropping down to the job and dies man i like what you have to say but it's just like it makes it valid point that even you know the black men in media find it's so easy and it is i mean you go from from from shack charles all all the it's so easy for them to turn the flames of black athletes and they do that with such ease and it just like why. Why aren't you guys protectors. Why is it so easy for you guys to yet. Yeah there's conversation they need to be had but where you guys could be mentors and things like that. It'd be like a young brother you know. Let's let's do this. Let's do this because this is what you know this narrative that can potentially be you guys are the are the are. Y'all got the pitch for got the gentleman frontlines doing this. So i get where he's coming from with that and he was dropping straight down man but with all that being said end of the day is just. It is a very disappointing. If it is true. And i've got to go back and watch my own tape. If it is true. That stephen jumped onto the national spotlight. Bhai completely trashing an eighteen nineteen year old coming into the league. That's very unfortunate. In the fact that this man is being able to sit raise a family go through the play. The twelve years that he played you know and and and retire and even after that still have life after basketball and still maintain his peace and quiet. Everybody does have the breaking point. You know and that's what he's doing his prove right. Now that i've i've i've had a matter of fact i'm gonna make some money while i'm doing it. Let me just go off in everybody. I'm going to drop the hammer all you are now. You know. I'm i'm gonna drop the hammer on everybody you know and and you know it is what it is now. It's time for me speaking. I appreciate the fact that he's speaking right man to discuss their with his whole. Call me braun situation. It like i said it took me a minute either. Watch it and watch indignity. 'cause i like i said initials man krabi. I don't know what's going on bro. I don't see anything that bad. But when you dig deeper into You know given the business. Because i initially. I'll tell you right now. Initially when i heard i was like okay. I got this because i. I don't know what's going on club is not that bad broom countdown. Man that bad. But you know you gotta look into a little bit deeper and then you'll see you where his beef is at. You will all right good stuff. Villas your manolo. Y'all are amazing. If you want to start a podcast by yourself. What i'm he won't be as good but y'all be doing something he's doing. Something gal yellow. Yeah wow another backhanded compliment. I gotta chris king. You're greatest first rob. Hopefully i've ever seen where he going name his next this album. Nominal if this is your first time this is the park s. Or if you've listened multiple times please. Subscribe to the podcast. We try to entertain you guys as much as possible. We're trying to bring to heat kwame brown. We're trying to give you enter -taining content entertaining episodes. We put a lot of time into ponies episodes together. So we entertain you. Please subscribe on our website. News channel sports that net new channels. Build any you channel. Sports are on any major podcast platform available. Check us out on afro lives. 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HR 3: Kwame Brown

Afternoons with Marcellus & Kelvin

49:55 min | 2 months ago

HR 3: Kwame Brown

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Okay man. there's no guarantees. Well look think about all the worst franchises in other sports right the arizona cardinals were a disaster right. The bidwell family. They got super bowl. They got within one crazy. San antonio homes catch from ben rothlisberger for winning the super bowl owners quarterback. Okay so like what i'm saying is we've seen the san diego padres not necessarily a bastion of stability zoos. Swept but they got to a world series against the yankees. So like what. I'm saying is it can happen so eventually it might happen through like i don't know maybe my eighth or ninth page the internet. We're not let me look up. An erin hank. Loney is hank. Aaron surprising that there's not somebody actually out there named aaron hank we should put it on facebook like there must be an errand hank somewhere. Yes hey call. Yeah well louis in lakewood essay. He's the legit louis louis. Why are you the legit louis. 'cause i'm a laker fan and louis knockoff. that franchise don't give them hope that that's that's mean they're cursed and they're gonna stay curse into they move out Libro they moving. Though they bought they bought your old house. You know what i'm saying. I mean it's it's it's i walk by the old house. They did just that even like me making that up your old house. No no no. They did. But as i told. I think our caller last week who asked. Why were the clippers. Always in my mind. I said because they're the house guests that won't leave. So i kind of kaelin. America's houseguests cater america's house. It's i'm sorry. Oh no to joe. Let me go to joe and compton. Real quick joe what up joseph joe. He ended up i. Let's go to quinton. Quint acquitting wants to talk about all sobel meeting. You care about black. Don't crack with a madras shod. what's up quinton me. Jared around credit cards. And i'll see a lotta correct black. This black was irresistible or indestructible. A and i'm doing my best. I make shave butter like l z are no use it. I may different. Say buddy. And i'm doing my damndest to people say but but they just don't listen but anyway i wanna ask you guys a question about pool host Is it possible that the dodgers seen him dow so they don't have to pay to happen million and brain somebody up later on the season. I didn't even think of that part of it. I don't think they can send him down right. I think he's i think he can be designated for assignment. I don't think so. I think they'd have to get rid of them. But listen here's the thing about. This is the this is the. Here's why it works for pools. Okay because everybody kind of has a. Why would they do that mentality. Here's why it works. It's kind of like andre drummond. In this way he was a free agent. He was available. He was essentially free. They'd have to trade form and take a salary. He was free albert pulls is at four hundred thousand dollars freely right. Yeah in baseball terms. That's absolutely yeah. You know every hundred at bats. He's worth five home runs. Show if you need a power hitter in a power pinch hit situation. I mean he's still got that you know are the only bringing him in and said a complaint against saint louis only elsie so they can claim against saint louis against the car that i mean. It's kind of a troll job. I mean he did. You know he did some some good things in saint louis against the dodgers. There's that too back. Jr jr santa. it's up. i'm good man. What's going on big fan of yours cap right on. See now. You're getting smart. He was born in la. And i used to be a laker fan. Yeah this is hard you know. 'cause it's hard because i love lebron but i'm a clipper fan and so i i i to kobe thing goes way back then old guy. That's what happened. Yeah yeah kinda destroyed. My and plus your owner now doesn't recognize jerry j wet as one of her top laker five acres. So that's their based lever man off the list for jerry west her man anymore though you know what i mean. He's not her mad anymore and And she left her father off the list. Cut her a break jerry web okay so anyway Parker let's let's. Let's just say that. The clippers did this on purpose. And if i'm going into a fight and you know the playoffs that's the real fight. You want me to go against a full force. Strong laker team with the top two of the five players in all of the league right now. Are you crazy. No don't hate the players. Hate the game hate the rules. I don't wanna face the lakers. If i don't have to. Because they are very good when they are very healthy jeff but would you want them in the first round though because they're not now. Oh no no get them beat up. Let's see if they're really strong. And if they are healthy get beat up in this. This first series second series. Why would i wanna put face them full on as soon present their they're coming up rests. They're all coming off brest. I wouldn't wanna face a d. or lebron. Strong the clippers. If the clippers face the lakers and they don't have lebron or a d either or you know that if the clippers were to win they nobody would ever buy though reno it would be like. Oh it's a asterix on it for sure there's no doubt kevin in l. a. What up kevin. It's funny he. The previous caller was just gonna make my point. The saudi is. These people are trying to avoid lakers and by sometimes so these people can our star can get hurt along the way so by the time he gets them they can you know beat. That's exactly what they're doing. now that is sound. i think it sound logic. I think it's like okay. Let's let's not face the lakers early. Because they've got lebron de let's hope to see them later. When hopefully one or both of those guys can't hold up. Okay that's so trash man. I know right. Get to put billboards around the city and murals and stuff and and us you know that fought on your jerseys and talk about all the things you're gonna do to the city's respect and then the first year you get bounced being up three one in the second ducks and hope that we get hurt. What the hell come on man. Please don't tell me that's the life. They china live is. Please tell me it. It is weird. Let's go to bed. Oh and whittier better. Better what's up. Were up First of all guinea to set up a whenever. The time is right a listening night at a political. Obviously that's that's that's when the real Market goes down on friday. All is only olive oil. I'll just leave that. I mean come on. A clipper fan Especially louis andina. Which please you know you guys are ducking the lakers right now. The lakers have been playing possum with the league because we know brown was all upset about how they cut the the the the the schedule short and everything so i mean they've been just pretty much. You know playing possum. Turner lull the rest of the league into into into sleep right. They're gonna come out and by you know it's going to be a knockout at some point so And you know as as we know. The clippers are going to clip clips going to clip. And i see that three blazers and five and for the most part. I mean it's like instead of Streetlights over spotlights should be saying mommy. Where's my nightlight o. O by nightlight. Mommy where's my nightlight. Whereas my that's even worse. Vogue mama yes when you say mommy's always the second syllable that just emasculate you. Have you say ma whereas my nightlight he was like. Oh mommy mommy right. Ooh mommy nightlight nasal to the kick to it nightlight. oh man. it is funny though. I was actually an exchange ourselves. Widely you guys remember him. Used to Bro yeah yeah yeah you know it was. I was scrolling through instagram. And you know. My name was tagged. So i took a look like oh look at there. I thought he was gone anyway. He was making jokes trying to make. It seem as you know the lakers weren't even postseason and my response to him was well. If that's true then why are you trying to duck us in. That's true if it's true the why he just go ahead and try to lock up that third seat so that you may be at a face in the six a. Why do you work hard to get to the second. See in case you knew we were going to come to seventh just all of that. You didn't want anything to do with the lakers. In the first round six seven and you were praying to come you make it a five because then your whole plan would have been blown up right. But what did he say you know. He disappeared again. Me where's my. I tell you this right. Now that is ducking to to miss out on a team that their two superstars. We're not really really sure that they're healthy. They look pretty good in two games. Both of them also kind of like grabbing things and maybe limping things off. And everybody's asking questions. So i would think you'd want to get him early but i actually think i also understand the logic now yes. We ducked the lakers. Because our game plan is hope we hope that lebron in a d don't hold up so that when we do face them all they got left. Is the team that you saw when there was no the brandon. Ada that that is weak ways. Is we both ways is weak and you know but but at the same time i understand i understand because again removed the names and let's just look at the situation A team at never even made it to its conference. Finals doesn't wanna face the reigning champions right that makes sense to me. It's only week when you think about all the dudes involved but just on its face value. It's a smart decision to make teams do it all the time they do it all the time. Eight seven seven hundred ten. Espn eight seven seven. Seven ten three seven seven six. I am stunned at. How many cooper fans are coming on these airwaves. And just like that. Like yeah it's all good. Admitting now we've got to get it in now before the second postseason kevin megan it. I never ever ever thought about it that way. I'll say a lot in common with in this sense. I mean after the second round. You know it's it's it's mike breen and and market johnson and rachel at the team. Does the conference finals and finals right. So you know. I understand clipper vince. It's okay one day one day it's going or sodano i mean. Probably not but that's fine like it's okay. Don't be a clipper fan now. Believe it's okay. It's okay. I i want that to though george. I understand wanting to do the conference finals. You get to the super bowl and my friend. James lofton who i loved to death and he's a hall of famer like but i want that gig. Tony boselli. I wanna stand on that sideline you know. I'm good with them doing it. But i'm just saying i have something. Come with the clippers. I you know me and everyone everyone not named those people. Those four just name. We are done so we got it would you. You know it's all good. I kind of had a problem with life. Evan washburn during the super bowl kind of pissed me off though like back. When i was look good looking kid i was working for cbs. I'm like wait a second. Evan washburn is now interviewing lady gaga super bowl. Not the aren't that pisses me off. All right coming up next. What's your and let's get into the dodgers the l z want you to. We haven't got a chance to get you to weigh in on the cory. Seager situation Not good obviously for the dodgers get into that but first a look at the metro traffic center with our girl kiki geeky. Hey george we're going to go on to vernon seven ten southbound right before atlantic boulevard ben dini boulevard x. Installed big rig. It's got the right lane blocked man traffic. It is stopped from the sixty. This report sponsored by an insurance insurance rates are rising. Don't wait until your next auto insurance renewal to see how much your increase will be go to a s insurance dot com and in five minutes. You'll know how much you could be saving on auto insurance from the la metro traffic center. I ke seven ten. Espn think the average mason and ireland. Listener is is more of a medicaid or medicare personnel putting my hearing it hearing aids. You know it's funny man. I i don't know it's so much better for them. And they just don't hate and just appreciate yeah. Don't hate just appreciate celebrate. Even even celebrate crawling this together. T one big old family. Some of jared dummies so. Ad perol lakers very well said hey. Listen it was jared dudley. Who was the one who really hinted. Didn't exactly say the clippers duct the lakers but he strongly hinted that the clippers had duct the lakers. His rationale was the same as ours early. Some of ours. Which was you'd probably want to see us right now when we're not at our best and we probably never gave consideration of what the clippers fans have called with today. Which is no. We actually hope lebron. Ad get hurt and we see you guys later on when they're not around. I mean that's what the clippers fans have said today much pretty much And look kluber. Fans are used to getting dumped on around these parts. Kind of like kwami brown right. I mean joe. So i'm not. I'm not trying to be disrespectful because look at the end of the day. I never was made or call me braun job here and there but you know look in all seriousness to be any given year to be one of the four hundred and fifty guys or so who play in the nba. Like that's a ridiculous accomplishment. There's no doubt right. And now i didn't listen to the entire all the smoke. Podcasts was our buddy steven jackson. And matt barnes are pow gilbert arena on and gilbert was talking smack about kwame brown because he played with them wizards and steven jackson started saying some stuff about him and that was just. They're kind of like laughing about it. Not really like adding very much at least not the part. I heard but quantum brown who i did not know on social media. Sure as hell took to social media. He went on instagram and just went on instagram. Live and not only do it once not twice that three times both four times in the last forty eight hours has gone on instagram. Live and just given different dissertations. And i'm gonna give kwami browns of credit on this. He took no prisoners. Okay i mean. Good god elsie like at fighting of court so he actually funny life. Yeah so come on george. I know you don't want to say that. The bad about him but you know if he has shown that kind of fighting their dog on the court he had a funny line though in one of his comeback when he said me and kobe combined eighty two points like when he said that. I thought that was funny. Okay pretty good and he said how do you think he got. Everybody wanted to see him. Shoot the ball. How do you think he got to shoot the ball. None of us shot the ball. He's zyppah did you. See me set those damn screens to his credit. He did set some good damn screens in that game but it was funny i think part of it was kinda like tongue in cheek and part of it was like half serious right. Like that's a good way to describe it because the thing is and this is real talk. I know as fans we let the clough. Kwami is a big ass man. He's a huge man. I mean he might not be able to shoot a skyhook. Give your hook base. He's likes. I think he's like three hundred pounds right. He was to seventy five. I think as a ripped ripped that wouldn't stanley roberts right. That man was cut. Yeah and he also by the way is still a grown man right and while he may have been you know run out of the league you know unfairly and i do believe it was unfairly. The reality is is that he still has grown as man and he's only gonna take so much smack talking about his name with outside sponsor and i never said nothing bad about steven jackson matt. Barnes and. I don't think i ever ever ever will knock on all the wood that's available but if you ask me whom i win in a fight my tendency is always to go with the bigger stronger person. All stephen jackson can fight. No stephen jay can mass gently. Yeah we've seen them fight. yeah absolutely. i'm just wondering what that blow from a seven foot. Three hundred pounds. Ma'am i feel like right right. Click if he catches you. Kansas you right. You know. Chris dudley not gonna would. You didn't get caught with sec. Yeah you can't you. But i just gonna say for anybody who hasn't gone in and watch this stuff. I got caught up in one of these rabbit holes today where i watched the first video and it was so unbelievable what he was saying about guys that he hears. They're talking about me. So let me tell you what i got to say about. It was like wow. I can't believe what i'm listening to so i. I wound up watching like every one of these videos. I was like wow. This one's going to be like five minutes and then it was like. Oh gimmie more. He's got a new one today in the car. Which i haven't seen yet so i haven't checked that now we can't play any of them for okay because everything is a curse or word or and so we would have had laura would have been doing work all day like it wouldn't take an entire day. It's not just the n. word. He a variety of pronunciations z. Ended with an s. Yeah sometime wasn't paul. At all i was getting all in. It was like a pitcher throws with different arm angles upset. I gotta tell you guys as the white guy the resident white guy here okay. Like i'm watching it and i'm like oh my god. I don't know that i'm supposed to be watching him. Give lots it's okay to watch. You can watch to not repeat no anymore and this is the most important thing. Catch me what to write this down. Because i know you're no taker. Yes go ahead. Don't you ever laugh in mixed company. never at that'd videos ever played you'd hold onto this comfort. You stay serious right past him. You can't hear it but you don't do is laugh. Why away because that's gonna prompt me. Look at you and go to laugh so funny lynn well for nobody watching this thing and i'm like i don't feel good about listening to this onto that you had to see me. I was sitting here at my desk. I've got my phone because i text for context. I text the group. Said you guys need to catch up on this. Kwami brown stuff going on on social media right now between him and stephen jackson and matt barnes and gilbert arenas and so you haven't seen it so i i looked like a little child who didn't wanna listen to his mother yelling at him and i put my fingers in my ears like i don't feel good about listening to this key saying this word too many times i'm should not be hearing this word now and and it was crazy. Just just don't just don't laugh because then like what happened to and say okay. Cat was at the bar and he laughed at the video. Yeah you want to do that. What happened to them. We kill them. Beat them up again. So there's a lot of clipper fans on on the line. Listen there's clipper fans on the line. Half of this is like half clippers half lakers so we just have battled this out on the next segment. Okay so key. They're going to pass a second round with this. All that's l. y. Meet me marg. Noah ed z. All y'all out there. I see you hang on. We're gonna go break for two minutes and we're going to get you okay. We're gonna make let you guys handle this like grown people. Okay but we needed to talk about kwami there for zing because kwami was trending and i was like why it's kwami brown trend then. I looked as oh. That's why kwami browse so there. You go all right so we're gonna get you calls you in a second. We're do a quick game a big deal or no deal speaking big deal. It's a big deal when you call the right attorney when you're injured in an accident call my friends at san menagerie law. Call them at eight hundred three or four thousand. That's eight hundred three zero four two thousand. Because you deserve. what's right. Laura what do you got. Manson elsie this on goes to you first. Kurt cobain's hair sold for a cool fourteen. Thousand one his what his hair like. How much of his hair thick strands. Fourteen thousand one hundred twenty five dollars. 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That was going around. This mean that said john mirant. Where's the warriors when they needed him. The most because it showed a picture of jake goals numbers three points three rebounds so they did dirty to my man john moran what love is a player that young fellow but no as far as j cole and huge deal. I think that what looked the. Nba has been pushing. Its borders for years right and this is just another step in that play in africa and they started a league in africa the nba. Wow not the toe version but like the actual continent the actual continent yes correct. Wow that's really interesting. So i i'll go no deal simply because it was way way way off my radar but i'm going to read up on it because i had no idea a new basketball league in africa. The nba setup and a rapper is playing it. Yep yeah that's cool. Yeah sean. It's a huge deal especially for the culture especially for the coach because this do went and debuted in a brand new league in the same weekend. His fire album drops. That's some coordinated is right there. Man i aim at and none of it except for one teeny tiny part of it but is supposed to be for the players in the motherland right and while the spot right. He's taking a spot. Yeah but he's bringing attention to it. So there's that can't get into game now because j cole is up in there. I mean by the way shot. Dang who really was the pioneer of helping helping create that league with adam. Silver and that group lou all was i believe one of the first two camps there. And that's what they found. Joel embiid many many many many many many years ago. at it. He ended up at kansas after that. So shut out to the world bank. Who's been fantastic. Shutout to j cole. Because i still rock the song atm. When i'm in the car this new this new stuff come over and you know when that when that when that. Atm start when you hear that. Sound that you long who you are you play a little snippet counted. Canada canada counted. Let me tell you something. Count it. I bet you somewhere in bristol okay during the nba playoffs a couple years ago when this was the nba playoffs song and it was banging every arena. That you before. I did my hits. There is an a video of me. Just bob into this just like Yeah i actually hit up a mean. And i was like i notice was you. Yeah there's definitely video of me before my hit as that's playing in the arena doing like a little little shoulder shimmy dance to that. Coal can play basketball anybody. He's any good. He's he's he's good. He's good for a celebrity is what i would say. No no no. He's better than a celebrity. He's a good basketball player. Like i'm trying to think good for celebrity. Like adam sandler is good for celebrity like and actually ball a little bit. Okay if you say so i. I've only seen him playing the Celebrity games i'd espn or whatever. It's good for a celebrity. I was trying to find some highlights on youtube from his game this past weekend. All right. let's go to the phones. That is big or no deal. Thank you laura for playing that all right. Let's go clipper fans already laker fans already and they already to argue. I mean we've been asked the question. Did you put her fans realize that maybe have duct the lakers like openly blatantly. So let's keep it in. Inglewood is a clipper fan. Keith was up man tournament first of all. Thank you for me talk about this year. I just gotta say real quick I i used to call it in the morning show. And i'm wait in my shifts at chef. Jake and i'm telling you bro. Nothing's changed the arrogance. Petulance the self righteousness of the lakers fan since world champions to you sir. Okay i'll say this you're right. You're absolutely right. But i'll say this. The only thing that the clippers fans de is freaking hard and we don't have a place that we can call invent to about you. Laker fans all the time. Like you guys do. But that's all right we can is. Why do you think places in the city. You know you're absolutely right. And that's why you guys to say we. I personally think down duck in the lakers. I mean it's got to do it anyway. Let the smarter move would have been to get there. While they were still trying to jail. That was a smart. I was like well. Why lewis these to get. It didn't make any sense. Would you guys on that. I relented present and it could say we need to be more more a little bit more. Help some more coldness when it comes to this crap. Man we're laughing stock. We'll go for it. We can beat this laker team. We just gotta play our game. It's just that simple. We could beat you guys. It's all about that. It's just play. Arcade your good leaders once in a series. I believe you guys could win one or two games for sure. But you're not going to beat us four times in a row. Now if everybody's healthy you just think you tell. Our bid smoked the lakers baselessly. We're happy to same business just lost to the houston rockets. Beat testing i pay up. It's not the second-string that extreme. Who the hell is scruggs. He just got out of the g lead starting guard. You know they go get no playoff time. Tamiami close you are with a twenty zero running point. We close you out or twenty rows small for running point. That's how are we going to do. We don't throw just pat his postseason stats a you know it's i. I just got a quick question. Go man did you. Did you used to rock the overalls when When new jackson was rocking back bed with the one with the one strap hanging all right. Thank you sir sue. You could tell me. Nine when overalls were out. Because i have the one hanging off. And then i was still wearing bell. But i wouldn't buckle it. And then i had to snakeskin adidas on from patrick back in the day i really loved the overall comfortable skin adidas there so comfy yup this segment by the way brought to you by miss crafted with care a spirit like no other. Let's go to lenny in inglewood back. Inglewood clipper fans. What's up lennie. Let the clippers. Okay so your neck. Okay he's a nickel from all that duck and york. Okay now look man. I was about to go in going on y'all but his thing don't over think it. The blue won the championship with cleveland. He's only active coach. Who other than what's it called. who's coach laurent. What's his name. Oh you mean oh gosh. What's his name. Oh him him to do the safest outlook somebody who comes to you and says listen all you gotta do to be. The most successful coach in the history of the franchise is just get out of the second round are. They can't him presented him with that and that was to me. That was just a smart move. I understand we. You know no guys. We want the provider and all that type of stuff but for tyler who in the organization itself to be honest we gotta get. We gotta get to the western conference final. It's hump that we gotta get over once once we can once we get to that that i and a seven game series we got. We got it all right here. Let me tell you something about that hump. Because you've mislabeled the hump think the hop is about getting to a particular place in the postseason. That's not the hop. You guys can't get over. The hump can't get over his internal external the hump. You have started talking smack about doc rivers when he got fired and then when east and he's got a number one team out east and your duck duck lakers over here. No no. that's no. Denial does exactly what that is exactly. What just happened. Doc rivers is the head coach for the team with the no one seat out east and you guys are still talking about how we duck in the lakers are but you talk smack about duck when he got fired like he was his bowl when he was paul george junior basketball backboard. That's real talk. So you're shot that ball off the backboard literally house watch. I was i was standing. I'll never forget where i was. I was standing in the kitchen. I said he knew the backboard open to george white oak. Y'all hundred percent right. That picked up the post season. The harper's your heart. That's your home going. Seven going on a seven game series. Just scrap them up. 'cause we've come okay lenny. Let's go. I want to see it. I want that battle between two teams i wanted. Don't get up going down. I won't let me be good. All right listen how. The laker fans are ready for the rebuttal. This when the state of the union happens you know what i'm saying like everybody gets to say say there'd be tim scott. We're gonna we're gonna do this on the other side. Seven seven seven seventy. Espn people on hold. People are ready for this people. Are i matter laker fans right now. I mean i wanna say we mad but at the same time clipper fans we. Don't we don't buy. I don't but there's a lot of people on hold spitting spitfires so we'll we'll get to that what up saddam with the here final segment of the show. What's coming after us. Brioni laura guys even know lakers. Talk more lakers talk. We'll sleep and travis. They had a whole show today like they got off the ground today that the maiden voyage at nine in the morning damn sleep will pull double duty yet. He's in here putting that look at that we gotta ask. We gotta get on sleep. Well before we leave you cross talk with slough catch up to any of that. This morning i actually. I was ready and listening right at eight fifty one. I gotta be honest. I i will play alarm congrats. I'm so i just say in all seriousness. Just take a timeout. Like l z. You say real talk real talk. I'm so happy for these two guys. Yeah seriously like i mean. They've been travis. Benjamin grinding for so long deserves a great shot like this to be on in the morning right after key and then sleeve a man i mean. I've talked about him. How much. I love this guy. So happy about. This congrats fells. Yep for sure so we will We'll talk to sleep. And i was very busy today in the sense of like i've literally was on a zoom meeting from ten in the morning all the way until almost right when we came on the air nothing i was wearing my god. His i wasn't too. Oh i was already and a t shirt and shorts. What was your camera on zoom. Call some well on some of them. Yes some of them. They were actual one on one conversation because there were multiple ones on one of the big conference call for the nba playoffs and the nba. And all that. So that was. I only came on camera and ask one question that i needed to ask and that was. What was your question. It was so they said there was a they brought on the espn person that does like the health and safety protocols and then again you should have received this email about health and safety protocols and update us your vaccinations situation or whatever you can put in the dates if you've gotten vaccinated etcetera and just like so the moderator who's one of my bosses on mba. So if anyone has any questions we could do it now about this right and i was like. Hey so i just wanted to let you know. Maybe i'm the only one. But i. I didn't get that email like you know so if i can find a way to get on that so i can get that form. You're talking about and get you what i need. We're good literally as i said. Thank so he was telling me. I guess you'll get the email whatever and no joke like ten other people at cooma talent. We're like sent me. Like i'm glad is i didn't get that email either. Okay well good. I'm glad i did something there. So that was my only question. So there you go Real quick though. I got to tell you before we get to the calls is your vehicle due for service headed your neighborhood. Valvoline instant oil changed a fifteen minute drive through oil change for thirty years. Babblings provide a quick and convenient automotive maintenance services. Were busy people just like you know dragging the kids. The dirty waiting room at valvoline. 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I'll never ever seen a team tank so hard. That's going into the playoffs. I've seen him pain to try and get a draft pick but never seen this team blatantly terrified to be in another team's bracket and that other guy was like. Oh we're gonna come get you a game seven. We'll wait till game seven really 'cause you guys have had so much success in game seven in the past. You can't argue with stupid. You both look silly. That's all i got to say. Okay wow passion that was like a relic love. Great great i. Let's go to add in granada hills at what's up brother real quick. There's no such thing. As a clipper fan. You're either a kobe hater recipe or laker hater. Okay i recall you calling me before having similar conversation i believe the phrase you may have used. If i recall this correctly was george. There's as many cubans in la as there are clippers fans there and that's back that's back because there's not a lot of cubans is on a fifty thousand year in la. So there's that clipper fans trust me. It's like such a loser mentality to want to avoid the lakers. Like you're obviously not even confident also Pretty much clipper fans or people who choose five guys over in and out That's facts Clipper of people that jumped into the pool with their socks on Coming you john. I'm paying and also just look at the celebrities that go to clippers games. I mean billy joel and billy crystal. i can't even name anyone else. Joel embiid pretty sad situation over there. We all know a recipe. So the clippers one more year. I had you last one before. We talked to sleep over a little bit. We got more my bad my bad z. Z. what's up was on everybody Foremost all. These clipper fans. They're not working the lakers. We all knew that they were going to duck the lakers and mad. Lose those games going into the weekend. So that's no surprise What what does kind of make me. We'll wonders why was denver. Duck in and lose in games over the weekend and got blown out by portland I it seems to me like half the west. Don't wanna play the lakers. Pretty obvious So that being said For a team. That's never left the the second round of the playoffs. They should've have tried their best to go ahead. And get into that ring with the with the defending seventeen time world champion and do what they gotta do and try to run them out of the playoffs but we all know that was going to happen. recipes kobe. Congratulations on the qualifying. induct induction and last. But not least. I can guarantee amazon prime. Got a whole bunch of pay now or by. Now clipper jerseys yesterday after they tanked and and now everybody's clipper. We'll get work much longer. Lakers i become up to you. Although i missed the last part and get it. He's saying they're on sale. Based now i didn't get last one and then we'll talk to big sleep com. Big little sleep sleep. I feel like now. He's got a show in the morning. It's big sleep lil l. i. l. Cute what do you think goes eat little little sleep little sleet. I don't know man once. Run about the murphy bed. I don't think he's worthy nickname and ask them about the. I didn't know about this murphy. But now we gotta talk to hold on. Let me get collins us in real quick carlos up. Hey what's up. Y'all a When he was talking about last guy louis man. The clippers can't see us man they some. Don't don't me i'm not. I'm not gonna cuss here but this motherfuckers mainly the so hard it does just just like it was a game. Duck duck goose. If it walks like a duck talks like a duck. Don't duck man come on. I feel like nobody knew. Westminster play us. Nobody wants to see. The lakers. Lakers are gonna three. Yeah that's right. I said it and just like oh shit. Jackson junior said lakers and five. Okay here we go. I i think that for for guys like me who on friday. We're saying. I'm not so sure i don't know if they're just gonna cruise. I think the behavior of the other teams has shown us that they think. Oh we don't even want to risk it with lebron ad right seemingly getting healthier right. It seemed like there was a lot of jockeying for position going down rather question. Yeah the whole way of course because you guys masumi watch the game sunday right. Yeah yeah or seats. Like not only are they getting healthy and appear to be healthy but thought appears to be fresh racy when he's outraged young kids for loose balls to get layups. Install get up in the air about thirteen feet to grab a ball and put it down. I am a little worried about the ankle. Vogel said he was fine after the game but you know he was walking little gingerly afterwards after he kind of tweaked it. At the end of the game i was more worried about. Abc's bump with the ankle than lebron's. Yeah well let's start to sleep sleep. Congratulations yes sir. Voyage go. it was a good start. You know travis. You guys know travis very well travis is the man Kinda sets everything up so it was fantastic. Small has actually really great. You just shooting the ball you just shoot. He sets me up. sometimes he doesn't want to pass. And i get you know. Even if i'm open in the corner travis is a higher percentage shot so travis you know. He's going to l z. He's gonna take that shot so a higher percentage shot maker or shot taker both okay. Because i didn't know if you were playing westbrook staff that when you start saying that well listen. He's he's he's kind of a triple double guy right like the guy can do everything so It was a good start in enjoyed doing it this morning. I'm going to be curious to hear about your day how it changes though from time to now morning time radio. Yeah and the double dipping on mondays. Yeah so i'm not sure yet. This is the first day. Yeah obviously where. i'm doing. The two and then lakers will have games so they got a game. This wednesday saul. We'll just have to double dip again. So kind of figure it out as i go to be honest with you. Yeah well you know. Listen if if if you want to be a big star in this business you never say no. It's true and if you want to be a big star in this business the amount of airwaves that they're willing to give you on the lakers championship station morning and night. You take what they're doing. I don't know why they're doing this camp. I mean listen. Just take it. I mean you can upgrade from the murphy bed. Apparently i think what does this murphy bed. I'm hearing unbelievable here. Unbelievable okay so you guys think i have a murphy bed. You guys really think i do. Yes you're telling me this very concerning. How long have you had his murphy bed. Contribute to the story and tell you look it's very convenient. You just pull it out of the wall. I i just. I got startled. Rumor started. How do you think i think started with him. Having a murphy bed and then someone found out here. We are georgiou right. I believe it was amanda. Who came on the air and said that she went out on a date with a guy went back for a nightcap. He murphy bed she left. She was like. I'm not with any dude. Has got a murphy bed right and then sleep seemed to be pro murphy bed and we all thought well. Maybe he's got one so this is where it started george back in the days. The cross talks with mason and ireland. Yeah we're all doing our shows. You know obviously still Every gasoline what sunset. I remember right so we're doing our shows a home. They're like describe your place. I'm like it's nice. It's just a small studio. You got closet kitchen just describing it and then they went with whole murphy bed and And that's that's basically where it came from Lakers talk before we let you go. Kellerman joining the show. Marc spears joining the show will get laker predictions for this upcoming wednesday against the warriors. I love it. I have a great show today. Great show in the morning. Send our love to travis. Thank you man. I pop lakers talk is up next. L z granderson. Excellent work as always three brothers and sister in great work is always much love tall. We're back tomorrow. Brianna laura great job. Great to be back today. We will talk to you. My yana for a full show see.

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Hour 2: Joel Anderson on Kwame Brown

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

37:29 min | 2 months ago

Hour 2: Joel Anderson on Kwame Brown

"This is the dan le batard. Show with to spot casts. Goldie just tweeted out dreger. And that's what you do. It's playoff time told you though is going to happen is desperate reported it. Roy you are. I told you so hockey guy. All of a sudden. I've never seen either bold prediction saying they were going to replace bob and go to their second number one. But it's not just that it's roy is at every. Turn telling us wherever it is that we're commenting on hockey. I told you that. I told you that. From my perch of stealing chips all season from the panthers in the media area stealing all sees unfairly framed. You talk liberally. I I'm sorry actually. Did it in front of everybody to go box that you stop your buckets filled with meatloaf from the media. Dining a little strange. I think It's not a denial. When did you become when did you become mindset. Tell me about the mindset of the team when randy molar is on and also just looking at some of these things and hitting us over the head with. I told you so because you don't listen. That's why you have them but kucherov all season back you up on that roy. Mike ryan has been telling us that it's about time we start a dialogue about carter verhaeghe and i have heard that but roy did tell us the tire year. That kucherov was coming back. And i was still shocked when i saw gujar up on my television screen. I'm unclear how a guy can go an entire season without playing bullshit and and be so good upon arrival that he clearly helps win these rested. Because he's been skating and training with a team of the year but he hasn't played you think. Oh you guys think it's easy the stamina whether you're training or not you think it's easy to recreate hockey playoffs. Speed and physicality when you're kucherov. Yeah he's been playing with stamkos. Those guys for year everytime basketball players come back from a year layoff whether they have training camp or practice or not. If you lay out for a year the speed of stuff tends to be too fast and there is no speed faster than the speed and hockey. So i think we're underestimating the size of the achievement. That guy dominated an image playoff game without playing all sees. If you know anything about kucherov has always ready. I mean the shot is always fast. It's always placed well couture off was born for these moments ago. I don't know what that means. Put it on the pole guillermo at lebatardshow because i got a lot of waggled sausage fingers at me there. If you know any you know if you know anything about anything is kucherov always going to be ready or whatever the whatever you sass. Roy i mean is not even a restless is resting. I mean we're dealing with a whole bunch of players that have played an entire season fifty six game season. They're injured in last game. He's hurt. We know that off the bat but draws rested. He's going to be fascinated everybody out there fresh as daisies. Dano that's what the bolts come into this series as and it's a tough one for the the florida panthers. I'm kind of worried about today's game. But i still expect a long series. Our told you so must win tonight as most when it is the most when. You've got me rooting now for them to lose just because i think they call it takes. I mean we wanna win hockey game. They're good hockey team. And i'm not gonna just sit here and say that they can't come back from. Oh too because you guys say so. I'll the rope. I'm only saying roy saying it. I mean it's a must win tonight. All the rats are going to be jumping ship here when we're down to and just dan and megan be there holding the rope. I'm not jumping ship at all. Under saying is a must win. You wanna go to tamp down. Oh to if you say it's a month if you say it's a must win and they go down. Oh to you have jumped ship because you don't think they can win anymore because you've already said you have jumped ship. If you keep saying zoeller they lose tonight. Yes that is roy. Is that what you're saying. The series is over if they lose tonight no because again. I'm of the mindset. That every playoff game is a must win tonight. Literally right in. It is literally a must win to literally took a must win. It's the opposite of literally a must win. It's the opposite of that. It's not a must win. What do you mean these literally a must win and lose and they win the next four games and it's not a muslim anymore joel anderson. I'm sorry introduce you to this as if this is what we're talking about. I bet y'all thinks it's a month way. Sign a writer. this man says someone i just. I'm embarrassed by what we're talking about here as he comes in. Because i want to talk about this kwami brown story in a way. I find a lot of it interesting but go ahead and give me your opinion on whether or not the panthers against the lightning tonight if the panthers down to is tonight a must win who. That's tough man all florida up to. Yeah you can't really go down. Oh to act now. Like eighty team loses a series like eighty percent of the time. If they go down two or something like that. That seems very much. Wish to me dude. I didn't mean to go against. That's okay welcome. I'm just telling you. I am now officially rooting against the panthers tonight. Now you told you. I mean because you guys are being asinine. But the reason i wanted to talk to joel anderson. There was a number and thank you for making time for us. Check out his work at slate but there were a number of things here that were interesting but i defer to you hear what as you saw this play out and the whole thing around kwami brown having lost his patients with everything after a lifetime of people laughing at him I feel bad for him but he sounds like a man who's got nothing left to lose and he came at. He came at these guys in a way that i have not seen an athlete. Go this personally before publicly. I can't remember off the top of my head. Yes really tough I've you know. I've been following kwami. Maybe for the last year. So because i reached out soon for a story last year. And i've been sort of watching his youtube feed and his social media feeds and this is very much in keeping with who he is now. He is a very folksy dude. A very smart guy in a very angry. And i think it was really interesting to see everybody finally get familia with the quami brown that i've been you know watching for the last year. He's been hiding in plain sight. He's had this instagram account and has been talking about players. He's been talking about black lives matter. He's been talking about all of this stuff. If finally got on the radar. I think in some wings. He's really happy about it. I think he's excited to have retention and people finally hear his. His version of vince has for many years. The narrative has been the one that michael jordan was. Put up small hands and work hard. He was sort of a bust I think that he's finally sort of saving this opportunity for people to hang on his every word one of the things. That made you wince. Because it's a man unhinged. Or yeah. I mean i mean this is a lot of like really weird talk about beta males and you know. This dude is a female and you know at what does i will say. There was one funny story he told about gilbert arenas getting held up like little lady at the club and i thought that was funny but You know that yeah that kinda stuff you know he just is very like jordan peterson You know intellectual dark web adjacent type. Talk that you know you know. It's sort of out of step with the current moment. But he's probably the very first presidential you. He is quote not woke. So this is a lot of that kind of stuff. You could just see the ok. This anger Justified in some ways in directed stacking matt barnes and gilbert arenas they did also is being fueled bus among other things in of the difficulties. He's had in his life. One other things well You know you've heard him talk a little bit about how he felt. He didn't get a fair shake Like michael jordan Did not give him a fair shake but He got the basically michael jordan resented him within a couple of weeks. Which meant you know one thing to keep him out about kwami brown man as he had a very very difficult life man he's from the coast georgia brunswick writer you know kind of the very small core black part of the coast You know his oldest brother is in prison right now. Selling crack another brother has been in prison for shooting somebody. A couple of brothers had difficulties the blah. His father is imprisoned now for murdering somebody in nineteen ninety His mother came under very difficult circumstances. Now obviously kwami is a person through you know. His no work and accomplishment got his mother about it that very difficult situation to grow ambit. Those this a lot of pain and a lot of Just a lot of disappointment in his lights in that you know the nba. Although he he'll tell you. Hey i got paid. I got my mother out of this very difficult situation. It's clear that like he's scarred a lot of the stuff that he had to do with coming up. So let's go through some of the specifics here on what it is that he did going after barnes on derek fisher on the idea that derek fisher has stolen barnes's family. We've seen some of the reporting on this but you do not hear this very often this way from a guy especially who's been largely silent for years and taking this beating People laughing at him what he did there. What did you think of that. Oh i mean that's obviously beyond the pale you so we all have followed nba. We've heard those situations adult. Wanna bring up pity players. But i think we've heard of situations where teammates at that sort of situation. Where a guy gets his his girlfriend or wife stolen by another teammate. Or the some sort of fight on a team and it's related to a woman that the dating but that was like one of those things that was sort of beyond the pale it. It's really interesting because it's not like matt. Barnes was due to said anything right like if you watch the video from that all in the smoke video the interview with gilbert arenas mabaas is not the one that was egging this stuff for him so it just sort of would that come from. Why did you go after him. Why did you when you went after him. Why did you go after him so personally. Because it's not like matt. Barnes was the one that was driving I guess for lack of a better time to talk about warm. When he comes after stephen jackson with you by women and and bags i know about bags. What's he doing there. And while getting a second with you what's the retaliation by these guys going to be because they're not gonna they're not gonna eat all of that they don't well okay. I don't think they're gonna eat it. I think they're going to do is going to sort of hampton inn. Play around with you to make a joke of it. Because they know that ultimately they've got bigger platform and there's really no need to respond to kwami they know they'd like the new cycle of change. They'll still have this. Show on showtime matt. Barnes justice if. He's getting a sitcom made about his life like they've won. They've wanted the media game. they're really good at. It is really not even going back and forth with them. But you know i think one thing that you know. When people hear him going at stephen jackson out you know they did play together for a season charlotte Two thousand and two thousand eleven season and so they were teammates and kwami goes a little bit and see. Stephen jackson quit on the team because they traded gerald wallace. But what i found really interesting is the piece of it. You know that. Stephen jackson sort of publicly affiliated with the black lives matter not necessarily the organization but the movement by virtue of the fact that he was cousins with george floyd well if you watch the videos and his social media stuff. He's not a fan of blackouts batter. He makes it clear over and over again. And if you review a lot of that stuff you'll be that he's just not a fan of black lives marriage so I think that was also opening for him. There would stephen jackson soda. Get that in and stick that in And i think that's what some of that is coming from. One of my i to do with gilbert arenas want barnes not black enough. What am i to do with what he's doing and saying hey don't come after a black man as black men. I think that it is fair for him to say that you guys are humiliating me long after the expiration date on that stuff. This is so long ago. None of us had elite anymore. Why am i joked. And so he's using the most personal Some some most incendiary comments that you can make about a black man. No collina white dude a calling him a handmaiden for you know white people essentially right and so i think he does see gilbert. And if you listen to go with me gilbert especially if you're a country dude from georgia you had dude like gilbert whose from the l. a. area california and i'm from the south. You know you just kind think a certain way about california guys. As i think he's just sort of poking gilbert at that stuff that he's trying to say will he grew up around white guys and so he's not really down for the cause and let me tell you how he you know Under my value in you know denied me an opportunity to really cash in his free agent. Is i think that's a lotta with that. Is that you know he. He saw gilbert arenas working with his aides and his team to deny him the money that he thought he deserved in free agency. And so he's like you working for those white guys who tried to deny a black. A black man does money so clearly. You're working with those white guys. You know dmed. Barnes status clearly about him being skinned that he just thinks you want to tee off on a dude because he's light skinned and that's a very diabetes That's a very nice approach to things but That's what i meant. When i said you know farmers just a little bit out of step with this moment of but clearly he doesn't care. There are some points in here. Where i'm like. Well he's not wrong and one of the points is he probably was more professional than all three of those guys. I don't know maybe barnes was more professional but just in terms of he might be a bus but being a pro and not having things on his resume where people beyond softer bust. You didn't hear a lot of people saying that kwami brown actually wasn't trying to be professional and kept his mouth shut across many many years on this stuff. This is just recent where the anger boils over. Yeah absolutely lot of a lot of stuff man. And i mean the thing is he came into the league in a really unfortunate time like he. He comes back to a very disorganized. Mess of front office as the wizards You know they were sort of caught between trying to win now with michael jordan or build around him as the future and ultimately because kwami was not ready when he came into the league. They didn't give him the opportunity to showcase himself. And so he was sorta slided into this bus label for so many years. But you're right. I mean we played in the league for twelve years. He played for multiple teams. He played with koby. He played for michael jordan again when he went to charlotte. That was michael jordan's first year is the majority owner for the podcast. So it's not if michael jordan didn't like kwami is much. Is people think that he did. Then he would have never bought into the bobcats clearly kwami with a more effective player that people give credit for it you know. He said you know you saw them screens. I was certain know. I mean screams matter you know at least an old. It'd be like each set screened being a tough dude doing some of the stuff that doesn't necessarily show up in the box score Some of the stuff. That kwami brown did. And i think he does have a point like e had honorable career. The only reason did it seem to measure up is because he was the number one pick only averaged sixty six but over the course of his career to win it for our friends over at draftkings. I love them. I lived there. My mail is sent to draft gangs. It's playoff time big stakes bigger promotions. It's time to hammer the over at scores some cash. Oh do i love cash draftkings. Sportsbook is giving you a chance to lower the over under on a featured playoff game all players who place a bet on the featured basketball game. 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Max twenty five dollar wager. One per customer offer ends may twenty third two thousand twenty one c draftkings dot com slash sportsbook for details gambling problem. Call one eight hundred gambler or in indiana one eight hundred nine with it. Let's play some of this better sound because there's a lot of it but i haven't heard going at an athlete this way where he goes at barnes barnes who was sitting this out. He goes barnes with the most personal of details. Which is how derek fisher. Publicly was in the home of barnes and he sings about it and makes it super personal with the idea that barnes is raising or. I'm sorry that fisher is raising the kids of matt barnes. You run your mouth talking about somebody like me. You need to stop what i'm told you. Don't step in their goddamn quick sample. i don't gotta lie. make up. she d- only joke. You get more win this basketball joke go run out you. Keep hitting new. Basketball jokes are keep hitting you know. Real solvay okay life. Now which one did like you. You'll granddaddy that was black. Your granddad our white causes isn't deep issues. you did. You can understand what the gop trying to say. Then in america right now white people are scared to talk about black people right now as a home and you know camera every day talking about blackmail you want to sit here and make look a certain white one saw an joe some physio done open your derek pearson joe key do you try some gas. Pick them up the only joke. You got his about basketball. I got a joke about your life. Talk the talk about. What is their fisher is a mentor but a stepdad. It a what could he your mentor to you. And this went was sent there and got your donets to say so kasey bertoni nichols no. I'm going to say so. I ain't got no big pie k. You responded to that you you stupid mother jane earn. Thank you joel. The resentment the hissing rage. In that. Made me wince. When i when i heard it i'm like oh my god. This guy is unleashing fifteen years of stop laughing at me. I'm gonna cut all your heads off. Because the level of anger and resentment. There is not something. I've seen publicly vocally from an athlete. I don't think ever there. I was so terrified. Who's gonna say something. inappropriate. About rachel nichols and outside. Please move past this moment. i. I didn't know where he was going with. A with a thank god he got out of that thing terrible about her but yeah man i mean that's just not the stuff that people make you know go Normally that sort of stuff that get you know you say when you're ready to fight and i think that you know we were sorted. Appoint with it's clear. The quami brown wants to do something or he actually back up for second. This is matt arms when he attacked derek fisher and that story came out that actually sort of boost boosted the perception of matt bars like oh memoirs released. Dude you will come fight. You know what i'm saying like. He'll drive ninety miles away to come fight you over his pride in over his woman or whatever and kwami brown did was actually take the steam out of that and make him look like a clown coward or something you know like the thing that that we use. We talk about met bars. Is that dude. He will come. Fight you calm. Calming brown actually turned against him In a way. And so. I guess that was the best way that he could think of to diminish barnes and judging from the way the people of respondents it worked Yeah just mad. Like i said quoting brown man. He's just a really he's he's really hurt and he's lashing out and that's sort of stuff that you just have never heard before like you said i mean i guess i haven't been people have been talking shit about me for the last year so if i if i've been in that situation maybe finally given the opportunity to speak on something like that. Maybe i would respond in the same way. I would hope not. But you'd hope that you you that some of the anger would diminish over time but clearly requirements has a. Do you wonder if he's okay. Yes very much so I mean man. Salt lake watching these videos like the last year and he looks really lonely. Really angry really sad like it didn't seem like he has very great relationships with his children. The mother of his children by reps like seeing that keeps coming up over and over again. It actually would think he steven jackson so to be able to bond over that. Because if you watch stephen jackson's videos like that's one another one of the things he's dislike yo on by really you know. Teach all always upset at the mother of his children. So you would think high gravy they would have that bond over but duck but kwami is really really In a in a weird sad place and You know like. I just watch this unfold over the last year and just kind kinda hope you know. Somebody can help him or did he. Neto do with this anger in a more productive way. Like which isn't to say that he doesn't have a right to defend him so but it just seems like a dude who sort of on the edge and some hopefully somebody kinda help real back from that joel. The reason that i wrestled with even delving into all of this as subject matter. Because i know how good the content is and i know how interesting it is but i'm worried about where all of that can actually escalate to because kwami brown is so fed up that i'm hearing him talk like i've never heard an athlete talk publicly. He's going after two guys specifically with their street credibility and what. You're talking about with stephen jackson when his public incidents and private incidents have been like he comes from dark hard place and he runs that dark hard place. And as all of this escalades. Maybe stephen jackson stays professional baby. Some of the people that stephen jackson knows don't have time for any of this and so i see escalating. I'm like this can end up in a really bad place for a lot of people because you never see this play out in public. No matter how many professional wrestling elements we can have in soap opera stuff when fiddle around with it right. I mean matt. Barnes and stephen jackson made their names on not necessarily have the best discretion when it comes to picking and choosing their fights right And we didn't know this about kwami. The quami might be that same guy but like the stories that have emerged even gillard ubad arenas talk about. Hey you know. I've seen palm fight dudes bar and jump on people's heads and beat people up. I don't want us problems. So it's like three very intense combustible people all have a beef with each other and yeah you just hope that. Maybe there's a way that they can walk some of this back. maybe they. They could invite him on their podcast in a much more calm fashion and they can just talk this out but it doesn't seem like that doesn't as leader suit. But i would say this. That stephen jackson a matt barnes like they did respond to kwami browns fire with fire and to me. That indicates don't either they. They know the quami is sort of a loose cannon or they noted themselves like we have nothing to gain by engaging him on this level and this new cycle will pass. And we'll go back to our show and our showtime show and we'll be fine so it looks like that's the way the handle on it. But i mean kwami still probably go hop on g love day and hop on youtube. It doesn't seem that he's done with them yet. It would be great if he can actually fashion some sort of media career off of their backs because they they got at least partially where they are. Because they're not afraid of anything. I think gilbert has already walked it all back. Gilbert has run away from all of this this is not this is not his environment. He does not want this fight. I mean he said it. He's he said it inquiry browns post. He's like i want no problem. I want no smoke with this guy. And i mean it's it's understandable again. Courtney browne man key he comes from a very tough family man. I mean again. I listed two of his brothers currently imprisoned his father's in prison a couple of his other brothers who've had trouble with the law and with fighting and all of this stuff so by now man brown. He'll bring you those problems. Gilbert arenas knows that so it's not a surprise that he's trying to you know wretched down the temperature right now so you didn't have to get into this joan. I want you to think about what we're talking about. The only guy we know to have left the league because the gun in the locker room who pulled off. I don't know if he's still in jail. But a guy who made the first okay so that guy wants. No part of is happening here. The guy who it was a gold gun was it not the only guy associated with a gold gun and then getting suspended because after the gold gun. He does finger guns in line. He's like nope. I'm just a gesture here. Thanks i'm out. I'll be like. I said we were told. Pick the good you know saying virus but yet met i mean again quelling brown low key. Tough guy man. I mean he's known for beating up people again if you look at his social media he's a gun collector Subdued who's very comfortable with guns. You know he's at there's a. There's a pitcher on his instagram. I'm sure you've got it. Like is hot tub. He's got a bottle of wine in a gun right there on the edge of the tub so they i mean. Quality browbeat is not to be trifled with and people that all learning together at the same time. Uber just happened to know a little bit before all that Which gilbert arenas fought we can say a lot of things about him but he's not a dumb man of the points that he made one of them. That i thought was good. He say look. You can call me a bus and laugh at me but like i mean a lot of millions of dollars doing this and you can turn me into joke but i was a professional and plate for twelve years in the league. What were the points. He was making where you're like. Yeah you gotta give him that one. Oh i think he made a great point about that yes. He played in the lead for twelve years on had carved out a fairly solid career. United put up. Decent numbers was not known as basically a plus player and found that he was. There wasn't a star but if he wasn't a number one pick nobody would've ever complained about that. I think he was also right about the fact that when he came to the wizards that michael jordan didn't really Michael jordan wanted him but like once he got there. It was clear that it wasn't gonna be a good fit and that he wanted to trade him And that would happen to me is that he was caught up in this battle between april. Who was the majority owner of the wizards at the time. And in michael jordan and doug collins and doug collins michael jordan did not have a lot of effects of kwami brown they got lazy than have work ethic dotted. He bad hands That he was very smart about the game and all those things could be true right but he was a kid just out of high school a small georgia high school where basically he could physically dominate those guys. He did not have to learn the game. And so i think the you know he's he's right about the sector. He just sort of went into a very bad situation and that sort of determined the course of his career rbis career that he didn't get developed in the same way that he didn't get to build confidence in the same way and so You know he makes some very good points about that. But again i think is the most telling him about climbing browns careers that for all the jokes that people say about him being a bust not living up small hands all that sorta stuff by george brought him back again. Michael jordan brought back to the charlotte bobcats and if michael jordan the guide. That is the reason that we talk about. Kwami brown at a terms of be huckabee sort of basketball failure. If michael brown was still am sorry. If michael jordan could still found bowden and kwame brown a decade into his career finishes say something and we should really reconsider what we think about kwami brown basketball player and think about it less about would. His performance was relegated to other number one picks his performance was relative to other dudes who've just been into mba. And there's no shame and playing in the league for twelve years in pulling putting your mom into retirement and to a nice home liked by that standard and kwami. Brad is absolutely right. He is a success. Not a bust. Listening to kwami. There was a lot of rage there. It seemed like i. I wonder if you were say close to him. If you were a friend Would you be worried enough to lend council and talk to him about what he's doing. Moving forward yeah hamid well. So i'm of two minds of it. Quality brown is getting a lot of attention. people are paying listening to him. Talk for the first time ever like i. Even when he was in league people would not seeing him out. for interviews. Whatever so in some ways maybe. This is good for his career. This gives him another another platform to talk about things that he wants to talk about. But if i were his friend. I would just hope talk about like look. You can talk about these guys but like stop escalating. It like don't would you with. How do you want this to end. I guess is what i would ask him the Like where do you. Where do you see this going like. You wanna fight. You actually want to fight. Met bones and steven jackson think you want wanna do that too. Oh won bin or bring you brother. I mean while not forties now so I think i would just tell them. It's like maybe you know you can make you make some good points in a lot of people arriving with a lot of people right now on show social media surprisingly the browns fans at like you know what quantity brad is making some very good points about The way we talk about him over the years. But it's maybe you could take just a little bit of the anger out of it and it might even appeal to more people than it might get some more staying power. I find it fascinating. The what he's doing from every angle because a guy with nothing to lose is going at guys who have that podcast at least in part because they're the street credibility guys from that sport all alley guys and they might not have anything to gain by beefing down there but it also seems like they wouldn't want those problems and when the hardest guys are lending you that joe like i know i'm talking in these ridiculous mythological terms in that respect if these guys are afraid when he was saying you don't want all the smoke have me on the podcast. If they don't take advantage of that because they want to run scared. I'd prefer that they have him on and everyone just sort of talk. Nice and be like okay. We all understand each other. And by moment because i i don't think i think it's embarrassing for the same reasons that it's interesting like all of this happening. To all of them is just the sm- all of them are allowing us to look into their lives. That has to be unpleasant for them. Yeah i mean i. I do think that they should extend that invitation to kwami to to talk this out i mean. Don't you think that has to think that's the way this sort of has to end the seniors. Though i think that they need to have a moderator like i don't think he can just be those three people on stage talk it out because i don't know how well it would go but if they had a moderator and i think it would be good for them to talk out the issues because i mean to be honest man i mean they. Don't i mean if you look at the original interview now. Stephen jackson did like make fun of kwami. He's the one that sort of got that going right. Kilby reince was not trying to talk shit about kwame brown. You know what i'm saying. It's definitely wasn't this is mostly for them for the most part. This is a stephen jackson his brown thing so it seems like they should be able to talk this out in a way. That doesn't end with pool. Cues and people get beat up and you know dared fisher having to respond to stuff. You don't like it just seems like there's a way that they can. They reached some sort of a piece here And i think that. That's what you like stephen jackson and matt barnes will ultimately do because it is very clear at least from the early response. They don't want to fight this. Do and why i mean why would you. Why would you wanna to joel. I'm not overstating right. I don't mean to stephen jackson. I don't even associate him with punching the customers. I associate him out side. The strip club firing. What kind of gun was it. He was firing in the air and got suspended for how long because somebody tried to run him over with a car you're right. It was a symbiotic weapon. Parking lot of indianapolis strip club. If i'm if i'm not and yet he fired up man stephen jackson ben i mean. He's made a reputation as one of the hardest. Do run our test. You know when when he was known as ron says said young. He's a real dude. You know like. He has allowed respect for stephen jackson raw test. One of those you have one of the toughest dudes in the history of the lead. So i mean. Stephen jackson has a fetus. But i i. Don't i don't think i mean the weight classes for reason man you know what i'm saying aquatic six foot. Eleven to fifty. You know no matter. How tough stephen jackson is. I don't think that's a fine. I know but i know but take the do rag off pull your pants up being a grown man. The guy who's been at the side on. George floyd be a real man. I don't think that that's going to land on stephen jackson and away the dozen touches pride. Oh yeah but you know again. That's see that's the piece of it that is we're kwami browns. Anti black lives matter. Stance is coming through like he really resist. black lives. matter is not a fan of the movement not the organization the movement. I don't know what he thinks about the organization so but the movement he's not a fan of it and this is his way to take a shot at stevens accent. I think that he thinks to stephen. Jaksa is fake I think. I think that's a real criticism that he has that. He thinks that he's not worthy of being considered a prominent activist. And that's when he sort of taking a shot at their he may. He may accidentally not like steven jackson. You may have legitimate reasons for it. But black lives matter thing. I think is was animated. His anchor their wittingham. What do you have for me here. Because i did see. Just one sparkle in your eye in the middle of all of this interesting stuff as i hog this interview because i find this subject matter super interesting. I saw your eyes sparkle. Why was that. Because he pronounce the word bonafides commonly known as bonafides as bona fetus energy a christian university the harvard at the south africa scored over seven hundred verbal part of sat. Both guys cutting it up came over the intellectual conversation. Thank you thank you for having me on just so you know coach q down streaker in so. It's a big one. I mean win.

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Heated Playoff Games, Flopping, Kwame Brown Goes Off

Pull Up with CJ McCollum

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Heated Playoff Games, Flopping, Kwame Brown Goes Off

"I want to tell you guys about a new documentary. Podcast series called fade effect written in narrated by pulitzer prize winning historian in bestselling author. Jon meacham america has always been a country of competing visions a nation shaped by the push and pull a vigorous debate but now fragile consensus to find. Truth feels fundamentally broken. Join jon meacham. In fate affect as he explores how in why fear empower have conquered truth and why respect for data in fact has become a casualty of war in the united states. Fate effect a new audio from shining city audio. A jon meacham nc. Thirteen original studio is available. Now on apple podcasts. Spotify odyssey and wherever you get your podcasts. I think the atlanta hawks have a good team. The key to this series is obviously trae young. This team goes as he goes. But the role players bogdonovich John collins cappella. They're going to be crucial. Louisville's a guy who's going to get buckets and i think the knicks they're going to need. Julius randle to play like julius randle alec for next to even the series up one one lakers and suns tied one one. I think this series just comes down to chris paul and his health honestly without him. It's tougher it's tougher. Devon booker is tougher on the eighties. Tougher on the coaching staff. And that team in general. Because he's the leader in spark plug further. So i i think if he's not seventy five percent they don't really have a chance. Clippers are in danger. Mavs up to luca goes off for thirty nine points them as a team right now. They wanted this matchup there. Thank you for this match up. And they're taking this personal. Based on the lost they took last year. it is damaged time time for them for sure. Welcome to the hundred and thirteenth episode of pull up. That's right episode one third teen. It is currently wednesday may twenty six as we record and on this date in nineteen eighty seven game five of the eastern conference finals with five seconds to go. Larry bird famously. Steals iza thomas inbound pass hits a cutty dennis johnson who scores to give the celtics and improbable hundred eight to one hundred seven victory. So does we win this series but lose the magic and the lakers in the finals. A great great story to kind of recap. We're in today's society. It's playoff time and for those of you. That are following are aware that we lost to the denver nuggets in game two in interesting fashion to say the least. I think they did a tremendous job of bringing energy to start out. They were physical force. Turnovers personally i had five turnovers way too many as a guy who takes care of the ball have to do a better job and we'll do a better job next game. I think from intensity standpoint we have to match the surpass that at home and we will but credit them for for playing extremely. Well joker was a problem as always Damn near forty points. A lotta rebounds five assists kind of control. The game got what he wanted. And i think the crucial parts of the game were when joker was out of the game and we didn't do a good enough job didn't do good enough job with the second unit Taking advantage of of that time. And i think going forward that will be one of the keys for us as a team but as the saying goes is definitely tough tough to beat a team twice in a row especially on their home floor. We would have liked to go up to two. Oh heading home but now a reality is that we stole a game on their home court and we have a great opportunity on thursday to play in front of our fans which should be about ten thousand fans Is going to be great and kind of get into the importance of fans. Later on in the podcast. But we're all looking forward to to plan at home in the playoffs having fans Playing with about seventeen or eighteen hundred fans most of the season Zero vance and then we jumped to seventeen hundred so this'll be a huge huge gap in that first game with fans. This season against the lakers. There's only eighteen hundred people there but it honestly felt like it was damn near full. Which is which is also For us as players but looking back on our matchup with nuggets so far. What's worked obviously dame has been tremendous Scored over thirty points in both games over ten assists in both games Efficient effective shooting the ball. Well drawing crowds He's been tremendous in in what hasn't worked. Well i think for us is defensively. We just gotta tighten up Tighten up pick and roll coverages. Tighten up on joker continue to make difficult for 'em pj some of their role players Prevents second chance opportunities and obviously get back in transition. I think those are things that will will have to to show up in order to get rid of these guys and five or six games dame second quarter was probably one of the better second quarter i've ever seen Especially in person. I think he checked into the game at about six thirty or six twenty five left in the second quarter and went on to score. I think it was twenty. Two points He hit six threes in the quarter all of variety and i think the the shot that was heard around the world was the literal literal logo. Shot off the catch. A pass from roko at the top of the key towards the half court line was kind of standing every day like a little shimmy to kinda like brief In raised up and shot effortless rope. we call them ropes. When it's on my line it's it's perfect rotation Barely touches the net and goes through that kind of showed you how locked in he wasn't that he met business and he set the tone for us. And i'm looking forward to to seeing you know how we come out on thursday and other guys that are excited. We'll go through practice today. Obviously tied things up. I'll see my. Pt give me a fresh cut and spend some time with family before we go. Try to take care of business. But i'm really looking forward to that. Obviously there's been a lot of talk about the officiating Not only throughout the playoffs but throughout the regular season and i think far too often place a lot of blame when officials far too often We argue with officials. I think it's a it's a tough job. Them joker talked about how he doesn't know. Why would want to be an official. Because it's essentially damned if you do damned if you don't Regardless of the circumstances someone's going to argue the call. And i think far too often. A lot of players aren't honest when i file i generally raise my hand. I'm like yeah. I did it or when something happens. I'm like that was a good call couch. You see that. I think a lot of players get bad reps because they argue every call even when it's blatantly obvious that they did it and i think that puts the the officials in a house by. I also think that the way flopping has evolved in the way players have gotten better at manipulating calls may playing their bodies store their head back sometimes. The refs are deceived in duped. I think the flagrant i received. Obviously it was a file The little buddy Try to take up space on the inbound. I got him off being pushed down. They ended up review clinic flavored. I thought i should have just been a regular fowler off ball foul wherever the case may be look forward to appealing there but i think those are just two ways in circumstances in which players kind of take advantage of you know some of their acting skills in some of their lopping and i think that puts the the refs in a tough spa but going forward. I don't think they'll be any issues in the playoffs. In general i think some of the rest are burnt out just as players are from the long season stress. That comes with covid of referees. Being on the road for twenty five to twenty eight straight days you know games and traveling obviously. They're flying commercial lending in cities late and kind of going through a lot of issues. We're having minus the commercial. Flights of just fatigue testing all the time being away from family and being exhausted. So i kind of understand where they're coming from and look forward to continuing to progress forward in these playoffs is going to be a lot of physical play. The rest will do their best to kind of keep things under control and we're do our will continue to do our best to perform at a high level and try not to argue but there's a lot to discuss So make sure. You're following the show on apple podcasts. Spotify wherever you get your podcast hit us with a five star review. Share this show with a friend and tell a friend to tell a friend. Please follow us on instagram. Twitter apple pie for fresh content all season long as they locked him because we got the warriors Obviously getting knocked out of the playoffs. Talk about steps extension. Kwami brown's been a huge huge trending topic as of late. Clapping back at critics. I wanna get my thoughts on that whole situation. In first and foremost will continue to discuss the playoffs. East-west who's up who's down who has a chance and who doesn't on the pull up more and more people are thinking about quitting vaping. They don't have to do it alone. We see all around us people talking about quitting vaping to improve their health. Save cash maybe just kick an addiction. Quitting can be hard. But you don't have to do it on your own so truth created. This is quitting a free text. Quick service offering real support from real people who have quit hundreds of thousands of people have signed up to quit vaping with this is quitting to learn more text ditch vape two eight seven zero nine back to the playoffs looking at some of the series right now obviously starting with the eastern conference. The bucks are up to on the heat. The nets are up to the celtics. And i just want to break down the game a little bit for a second game two is control just to to put it lightly. Well we were able to watch some of the game before we played against the nuggets in the bucks got a big early bring. Forbes was was great throughout the night hit a lot of threes Fed off the energy of the teen and they ended up winning ninety eight to one hundred and thirty two. And i think the biggest difference between game one and game two was the role players The role players stepped up in tremendous fashion Obviously forbes was great he had six threes pat. My guy pat was great in nineteen minutes. Fifteen point five threes. Bobby portis Comes off the bench with eleven points. And i think that was the difference in the game. The energy they brought. You know yarmysh is going gonna play. Well you know middleton. Jrue holiday are going to set the table The difference was the role players The fact that your holiday only had eleven points kinda shows you how. The game was going. he he tied a franchise record with fifteen assists Tying tj ford's record for most assists in a playoff game and he's essentially set the table and they would want it. And i think based on this roster right now Jrue holiday being a great addition obviously Pj tucker Some of those guys bring a defensive element but also veteran leadership element that i don't know the he can match They have a lotta. They've been efficient. They've been effective and they've been able to control jimmy butler throughout most of this series. Jimmy goes four for ten scores ten points but the game was basically out of hand for the beginning with this series flipping back to miami. Obviously they'll have fans they understand that game. Three is a must win. When you get down to. I'll look for the role players to play better at home Doing dead man's been great throughout the series. Drudge has been great to veteran guys who you know you can consistently good performances from. But they're gonna need robertson to play while they're gonna need traveled to knock down threes and defended a high level. And they're gonna need kendrick nunn to play well but the key to this team. Obviously they have role players. Is jimmy butler. He asks to be playing. Mvp caliber basketball for them to have a chance to get out of this round. I think that's the difference in the bubble he was tremendous. He was effective efficient down the stretch of games. He big shots and obviously had a forty point. Triple double in. The finals against the lakers To make that series interesting so look for him to not only play well but also understand that the team will go as he goes so. I think that'll be the key. Obviously have the bucks winning this series But he can make it very very interesting especially if they can get game. Three and four at home looking at the net series I thought the nets. We're gonna run away with this series obviously Because of their talent because their depth and no jaylen brown the celtics have been banged up all season long. And i think that's going to be the difference Looking at the way the The last game went tatum. Ends up getting knocked out of the game. The celtics dating released chance In this series. And i think brad stevens talked about the depth of the the nets how most teams and most people across nba were analyzing. The game are gonna pick the celtics to lose. And i think it's the writing is on the wall this series. There's not much this others can do If jalen brown wasn't hurt i would. I would give them more of a chance in this series. But i think they'll make a couple of games interesting down the stretch but ended up losing an gentleman sweeper an actual sweep but they do have a really good team. They're solid marcus. Smart kimba evan. Tristan's played well. But i don't think they have enough firepower to kind of match up with the nets Harris was tremendous Knocked down what seven three. He hit five threes in the first quarter. Obviously katie with katie Scoring twenty six points on twelve shots. Kyri only took twelve shots. James only took twelve shots. Blake blake dunkin on people with his left hand. Kind of showing that. The athleticism is still there. it's funny. That detroit fans are probably extremely upset right now considering he only had about two or three dunks in his in his tenure with the pistons and now he's getting three four dunks game but i think the nets are a locked to get this series. Them that potential matchup with the bucks is gonna be something to watch. And that's for sure moving onto the last two games in the eastern conference. You got the hawks up on the knicks. They play tonight. You got the sixers up. One on the wizards they also played night. The more intriguing of the two is definitely hawks. First knicks because they're playing in the garden with about fifteen thousand fans trae young hits the game winning floater. He should just crowd. He says quiet. Is you know what in here. And derrick rose's response to trae young talking trash is if you wanna talk shit. You can talk shit which just understand that. It's going to be tougher the next night out and the next night out is tonight so i'm looking forward to watching that. I think trae young as a really good player. I think the atlanta hawks have a good team there deep. Obviously they added lou williams. Who's been extremely helpful. Not only from scoring standpoint but also from a leadership standpoint. He told young down the stretch. That i don't really care what happens. Just make sure you shoot it. Don't pass it kind of control your destiny. This is your team. They put this organization around you and the kind of do what you do in your moment. And he did just that. But i think the the key to this series is obviously Trae young team goes as he goes. But the role players bogdanovich John collins cappella. They're going to be crucial lou. A guy who's going to get buckets. And i think the knicks. They're going to need. Julius randle to play like julius randle and he talked about the excitement the adrenaline rush. He had and i think that was the difference and why he ended up shooting six twenty three from the field. But i think he's going to get back to his normal self alec for the next to even the series up one before they head back to atlanta with full capacity. I think this is a six or seven game series in which. I don't know who's going to win. But the key will be role players in the key will be stars playing like stars onto the sixers series. I think the six just a better team. Brad in russ are terrific They're gonna make it interesting every night. They're going to keep them in the game. Brad's going to score. Thirty russ is going to get a triple double close to it. But though need their role players to step up they'll need smith and a lot of those other guys to to be effective to be efficient to be aggressive When those traps are coming they're going to need to release show up in the other key will be not allowing by harris a score. Nearly forty points i think. Bow the difference. Toby's a really good player he's aggressive. He's got a mid post game but you can't let him get off like that understanding that joel embiid is already hard enough to stop and is going to demand a double and triple team. And then you let steph curry steph curry steps brother. Seth who's also very good at basketball hit three threes and kind of spark a run throughout that game. But i think the sixers take that series and make it very very interesting with potential matchup in the second round. Well into the west lakers and suns tied one one. This series just comes down to chris. Paul and his health honestly He's the difference for them. He's the guy that kinda makes them go. He put them over the hump with his fourth quarter leadership closing ability Pick and roll stuff the way he runs a team is unlike anything we've seen and without him it's tougher it's tougher. Devon booker is tougher injury. Eight minutes tough. Run the coaching staff in the in that team in general because he's leader in spark plug for them. So i i think if he's not seventy five percent they don't really have a chance they'll compete. The games will be closed. But they'll need him to be alvin. I'm just not sure he will be able to in this series and it's unfortunate because this is a very very winnable series for the sohn's looking at ad. He flipped the switch again Playing extremely well after the thirteen point performance. Tidiest career low. Got back in the gym. So you need to tighten things up. More aggressive ended up. Shooting twenty one free throws which is insane. I don't know if i'll get the twenty one free throws in this entire playoff series but must be nice. It must be nice. Lebron was great in the fourth quarter. Hit some big shots spearheaded. Their offense trump stepped up. Guys schroeder all contribute and played well for the signs. It'll it'll like i said before. Come down to the health. Obviously they'll need mckell to play well. Eight and has been great in his first playoff Cameron payne hat. Goes off to cameron payne. He was in china. he was in the g. league. He's kind of bouncing around. I think he scored nineteen points last night about six assists Stepped up in the absence of chris paul. But they're going to need a little bit more to get over. The hump and book is going to have to find ways to get free because those double teams are coming. Clippers are in danger. Mavs up to oh. Luca goes off for thirty nine points. Clippers are definitely falling short of expectations Dropping two consecutive games at home after tanking down the stretch of the regular season there was a lot of conversations and talks about them specifically trying to avoid the lakers. Only to go down to against the mavs. Lucas been great. They have in double team enough. They switched to hardaway junior. Hit some big shots down. The stretch porzingas goes to the club. One night comes back ball the next and also looked great. I think them as a team right now. They wanted this matchup thankful for this match up and they're taking this personal based on the lost they took last year. the clippers. It is dammit time as damaged time for them for sure they have to get a must win game three against the team who shoots well everywhere especially at home and texas basically wide open. So you know they're going to have a lot of fans in that arena so it's going to be interesting to see how pg plays substitution patterns tie. Lou make obviously quite had forty forty or forty one in game two. pg will play well You need the role players. How many minutes with a give surge. How often they trap luca. How their rotations b We'll we'll continue to attack. Patrick beverley Because he was abusing him all night. You know seeking him out talking trash to him and it's just not looking good for them. I got the as winning this one in five. Dan time for the clippers onto the jest. Grizzlies up one. Oh on the jazz donovan. Mitchell sits out late scratching game one John moran goes bonkers still Scores over thirty points talk in trash. Basically saying no one out there could check him. He got to his spas left hand right hand. Me's all those things look great. They ended up falun rudy. Gobert out so. I look for the jazz to really try to respond After a lacklustre performance. In game one jordan clarkson has been named sixth man of the year. So look for him to be extremely aggressive as he always is Look for the utah. Jazz push pay. Share the ball shoot better from three. I think guys kind of settle back into their normal roles. Bogdonovich did score twenty nine points on sixteen shots mike. Conley had twenty to eleven but only shot six of eighteen from the field. So you'll see them becoming a lot aggressive. Derrick favors becoming a lot more aggressive. Although he had a double double one game one too much better job of controlling the glass In the event that rudy is in foul trouble again. And i think donovan coming off of an ankle. Injury is in a tough spot. He's the franchise player. Obviously he's their star but he hasn't been able to play a game in over seven weeks. His first game back will be a playoff game at home on an ankle in which he'll be guarded by. Dillon brooks probably acts to guard. Dillon brooks probably have guard job. Marinas will at some point so look to see how his ankle and was body kind of responds after sitting out for so long. I think the jazz win this series I think it will be a close series Fuller close games especially when they have to go back to to memphis. But i'm looking forward to seeing all of these games all these matchups. Those are just my thoughts personally on all these series best. Part of the season is finally here. What the playoffs. But stay locked them because we got a lot more to discuss. 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Pull up we all spend some portion of our lives on the internet and most of the time decisions we make online are routine but sometimes a single click can change your life forever. I'm all fanning and welcome to season one of one click. I've teamed up with journalist. Jessica wapner to investigate a lethal diet. Drug that has managed to reappear time and again it's a story about how the all consuming wish to be lean has caused people to ingest a chemical that was once used to make bombs and world war one now it's an illicit diet drug that's flourishing online preying on people whose only barrier between life and excruciating death can be shattered with one click. Listen and follow one. Click a presentation of c. Thirteen originals a cadence. Thirteen studio in association with the spooky llewellyn pictures available now on apple podcasts. Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts now for your flopping stat of the week. The nba adopted an anti flopping rule. Before two thousand twelve thousand thirteen season players can receive up the five violations which increases and vice time in six or more time to subject to suspension accordeonist. Sports track delete gave out twenty seven or flopping from two thousand thirteen to two thousand sixteen since then they have given out to one thousand nine hundred and patrick. Beverley one last season to marcus. Smart and there have been zero finds this season. And that's your flopping stat of the week one of my favorite segments of the pull up hot is the pull up or dissect and right. Now we're focused on steph curry. The question is will steph curry sign extension with the warriors. I think the answer is yes. I think it's an easy s. But bob myers the gm basically said. He's pretty confident. He'll be able to resign steph curry to extension this summer. He stayed he stated. I don't see any reason not to be optimistic. I would say pretty confidently. We'll get something done. Steve kerr will say. Obviously we won't step back in the worse way. There's no reason to think that that won't happen. Curry's extension could make him the first player in nba history. I repeat the first player. Nba history designed to separate deals with over two hundred million. He's eligible for your extension worth two hundred and fifteen million dollars through two thousand twenty. Five twenty. six season sounds crazy. He'll be thirty seven or thirty eight years old at that point making over forty five million dollars a year which is well deserved. Because he's the face of the franchise leading score the nba. Darling guy who averaged over thirty points per game and led the nba in scoring at over the age of thirty two for the first time since the goat himself michael jordan. He won the scoring title. He was named the mvp on a team that didn't make the playoffs. Which shows you how elite he truly is. He shattered three point record after three point record. He's revolutionized the game and he deserves however much money team can give him. He also probably deserves ownership before being honest. I am pulling up on this. There's no way steph curry leaves the warriors. It just wouldn't look right with him in any other jersey although the nba would be in a bit of disarray if he left depending on where he went he could literally boost economies and change the trajectory of a lot of teams. So i look forward to watching that Look forward to seeing how that team is next year with the healthy clay healthy wiseman dream on being that playmaking role defending rebounding passing clay shooting on the weak side. The double teams would be less for steph. The ball movement will be more than a lot of those younger players have gained. Experience will be better but playing devil's advocate for a second if he did leave. Let's just say he went to the lakers. I wonder what the nba would do that. Situation will be hilarious. The lakers decide not to reside in schroeder. Who turned down who knows. Eighty five ninety million. Let's say steph. Curry is a take a discount. Goes to la teams. Lebron and a that would be hilarious. The other options. Obviously he go to the sixers. Maybe he wants to go to the east coast. Maybe he wants to charlotte. Go back home. Lamelo ball steph curry. Maybe he goes to the knicks. The knicks do need a point guard de rose. Is there right now but will be rose resign. He's going to be due for a lot of money. There's so many options for steph. I think there's a lot of teams that would love to have him allow teams. That will go after him. But i just don't think he'll make it to the market. The next topic is politicians using sports. Try to become more likable in tuesday. New york city mayor. Bill de blasio conducted a press conference announcing madison square garden as vaccination site in the confrontation knicks hat and said that he had an important official announcement before telling trae young stop hunting for fouls blasio said. I wanna call steve nash. One of the great players great coaches. He says that's not basketball. Trae the hawks knock on a fly in new york city. Come on play the game the right way. See if you can win. I think the knicks are going to teach a lesson. What's unlike a threat. I'm dishing on this. I think the mayor's gotta sit this one out They talked about. You had a brooklyn hat on last week this week. He has a knicks hat on. He's trying to become more likable. he's trying to become more interesting. I think in this case. He's he's allied out of pocket. Trade trae does hunt for foul. He does a great job of manipulating situations. But he's a really good player. Who just beat your knicks on a floater in which he was fouled on it should have been an one if we're being honest It's nice that he's a fan. He has a right to be a fan but him speaking on one player specifically as a disrespectful. And i think trays go take that personal and could put the nixon a bit of a bind. If he does decide to get hot and by hot i mean shoot from half court orders his teammates better and go up to on the knicks before heading back to a full capacity atlanta. Get the dub take the l the double of the year the double the century right now So to speak. Are the fans fans coming back to arenas fans specifically being able to watch us play specifically here in oregon With us having a vaccination section so to speak we'll have eight to ten thousand fans again and this is the best time of the year for a playoff season playoff time games are high intensity the importance of the matter. The fans give you energy makes the other team nervous kind of triggers. Something in you that that can't be described so much different playing with an compared to without fans having gone to the bubble last year having spent most of this year traveling to cities with no fans watching the games on. tv are better with fans. And i just can't wait to see what they have to bring to the table. There are definitely a lot of advantages for teams that have fans. If you've seen this year that utah jazz have had fans all season and they had the best record in the nba. I think you look at a lot of these teams a lot of these players brooklyn new york. The energy is just different with fans. And i can't wait for thursday night i also can't wait to watch some of these games Atlanta in game three and four they'll have full arena that just changes everything terms of momentum. How all teams play for us. This is the first time in trailblazer history that we had a better record on the road than we did at home. So those things. I wanna make a huge difference for us and i can't wait for us to get the full capacity at some point this season taking the l. Kwami brown is is winning and everyone who's disrespect to him is taking it l. or coming out to apologize right now. The guy on all the smoke. Matt barnes steven jackson gilbert arenas Said some things about call me braun. They're probably weren't appropriate. Some of them have sense. Apologize so i will give them a pass on that arenas went on to call this show pony in a man child. He said that michael jordan killed his confidence and arenas joining the wizards with the final blow for him. Brown basically went on to clap back at all three of them. Gilbert has since apologized met. Barnes has since apologized and also offered him a chance to come on all the smoke. Stephen jackson has since apologized. Basically charlotte mean the god. Anybody has spoken ill of calming brown has since apologized and i think the funny part about all of this is that kwami hasn't said anything up to this point until now people have talked about him over the years. Stephen stephen smith everybody. Everybody has continued to say things about him calling him out of his name. Sometimes calling campbell. Bomb santa camp place and he doesn't know how to rebound kansas. Greens doesn't understand basketball. Some of them have challenged his like is intellect. And i think it's finally taking a toll on him to the point where he went on an hour long youtube rant in which he's gained a massive massive following. I'm a follower of the brown Guys have backed off since then and the background of the story is basically that you shouldn't disrespect players character. You shouldn't talk about the upbringing. You shouldn't put labels on them because then the public perception shifts to where you'll call a guy bombers as a scrubber sees a failure but in reality kwami brown Not only has he been able to take care of his family. He's well educated. He's smart he's an intellectual. He's funny he's good storytelling. Obviously at the end of the day. He's a black man who made it out of humble beginnings and i think for us as a as a society and for us as ex players who may be journalism realm. You have to keep that in mind in jalen. Rose talked about it and he talked about. How far too often we're labeling players. In one of the words he's throwing away on his show is bust. You should never defined someone as a bus because for one. They've succeeded in life being able to perform a professional sport at elite level at the highest level Kinda shows that you're not a bust regardless of how your career pants out. Maybe it didn't work out. Maybe it wasn't the right situation. Maybe it wasn't the right time but definitely not a bus. And i don't think people should use the term either especially describing sixteen seventeen eighteen nineteen twenty year olds who are not grown yet. Still trying to figure out life In general and for more backstory on the browns story He was the number one overall. Pick out of high school with his updraft. Him michael jordan decided to come back at that point in time and a lot of people say that jordan broke. Call me braun. Down calming talks about how they brought him. Players vexed to specifically beat up on him and kinda take his confidence in that affected him for a very very long time and he finally years later comes out and speaks about it. And i think you just have to put yourself in other people's shoes for a second. When i was eighteen years old. I was in college making a lot of mistakes. I was young. I was immature. Wasn't any league basketball player. And i definitely wasn't ready for the professional world and all that comes with that so for people to kind of place that pressure on an eighteen year old man Who still learning still growing still figuring stuff out. It's just disrespectful. And i think everyone who's disrespected him is now taking the l. because kwami brown is winning right now on the court off the court and i'm looking forward to subscribing to youtube channel because he's hilarious haven't been drinking much wine lately because the playoffs is here and locked in but on occasion. I do have wine with dinner and over the last week. I had some water skype on the war group price. Point one of my favorites. Actually the first organ. Piano i ever hear was walter scott volcanic soil from brand creek. I truly enjoyed. It would highly recommend it for all those out. There who want to try reasonably priced or i would visit walter scott. 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Best of The Program | Guest: Jason Whitlock | 5/27/21

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Best of The Program | Guest: Jason Whitlock | 5/27/21

"Today is a powerful podcast that you want to not only listen to share with your friends a lot of comedy and then a lot of really scare yourself till you crap your pants kind of news that you don't want to miss department of homeland security. What's happening with the commission on january. Six a lot more than you think. Also what the american medical association and now what. The american psychiatric association is telling doctors and psychiatrists to include in all of their diagnosis. The doors coming closed quickly. Also we have the one and only jason whitlock joining us. You don't wanna miss minute of today's podcast. Thank you to def leppard for our theme. Welcome to the glenn beck program The the news today is disturbing. But i want you to know that this is all on the federal level to win. You must go to the local level and you need to stand in your own hometown in your county. Let me give you a reason. Why top prosecutor in loudon county virginia has participated in the facebook group whose members infamously created a list of parents who disagreed with school system policies of critical race theory. The the intention of this facebook group is to hack infield. I'm i'm quoting hack. Infiltrate and expose parents this all. According to screenshots march sixteenth this was exposed and now the anti rayson racist parents of loudon county have double down and now they appear to be going after children and gathering information of children of at least one adult. There is the group administrator who was saying. Hey anyone else with racist tick talks of kids. Please pm me especially more with the n. Word okay alright. Another member responded to that post saying we have to fight. This asked together. That's when the county's top prosecutor chimed in and said exactly. You are where we need you what you are where we need you. The top prosecutor is getting involved with this and is in support of the hackers and people who are trying to expose. You need to stand up together you know. I read a story today that that people are concerned that liberals liberal starting to worry about all this woke kness. They're they're thinking this might play out badly because a lot of people don't like it and it'll play badly in the next election. Forget about the election. It's playing out badly for all humankind if we continue to go down this road one more thing then. We bring pat gray in talk about atf. Try this on the. Tsa began implementing president batlle biden's mask mandate at airports. It has now been extended through september thirteenth twenty twenty one. The senior official performing the duties of transportation security administration administrator confirmed yesterday quote that. Tsa agents must handle mask mandate violations in airports the same way they would treat travelers trying to take firearms through security checkpoints. Now listen to me. If you're in cop please listen to me. If you're a cop. I understand why you would wanna walk away. I get it. I get it but if you walk away if you walk away. You're going to leave us with the police force. That is like the tsa. There's a lot of great people in the tsa. I meet them at airports all the time. That are doing their jobs. But i also meet an equal amount of just dumb dumb dummies. Who are are shouldn't work. The fryolater honest to god. They might fried their own hands or face would open my hand. I'm gonna look. They shouldn't work a fryolater. they don't care. Please stay in place. You cannot abandon that post because it's going to get bad if we have if we have that half of the tsa being police force. We're in real trouble by the way the good news. We won't have any guns. I love the new. I love the new. Atf guy. how many great. He's fun rate. yeah Do i particularly liked him with posing for a selfie in front of the destruction at waco after ninety one people were killed her. That was really cool to for him to stand in front of that wreckage and take a little selfie. Yes proud of it i guess. Yeah well you know. I it was. It was a lantern you know. Yeah they homer. Cleary's cow kicked over a lantern. And that's how they all died. It had nothing to do with janet reno just And you know. But i think it's great to see the backlash from the left on that you know. Oh they're upset. Oh they've got to be upset standing there with you know it's you know. I know how they respond. When somebody kills a lion rhino. And i mean they kill a lion and everybody goes crazy like a trophy pose. It really was despicable. Okay so let me let me Let me play some of the audio Let me just play cruise with chipman does he. Does he plan on banning. Ar fifteen listen to this. They are fifteen is one of if not the most popular rifle in america. It's not a machine gun to rifle your public position. Is that you wanna ban. Ar fifteen is that correct. Senator thank you for the question and thank you for visit yesterday dr pepper. It made me reminisce about my time in central texas but now to your question with respect to the fifteen on. I support a ban as as has been presented in a senate bill and supported by the president. The fifteen is a gun. I was issued on. Atf's swat team. And it's a particularly lethal weapon off and regulating it. As other particularly like weapons smith and wesson three eighty s not particularly. That's only director. If i'm confirmed i was simply enforce the laws on the books. I just gonna fall off those guns all right. Here's here's how he well. First of all cut seven please. He can't seem to identify or define an assault weapon. Listen to this. I got thirty five seconds left. Define it for me. Would you please sir. What's an assault weapon. Senator bill to ban assault weapons. What is your thousands of pages. No way i could define assault. So you don't have you running this agency and you don't have a definition of assault weapon but i would be enforcing the definition. That membership should rules and regulations. Just give me your definition. I'll give you one definition that eighteen year definitions one definition that atf. Current your definition. I can give you forget about this. Okay so he doesn't answer it. Now listen to this. Here's what he finally defines an assault weapon. There are criminal consequences. I to turn to a second matter. Now mr chipman you have called for and assault weapons ban. I've a simple question for you. What is an assault weapon. Senator an assault weapon would be in the context of the question. You asked what congress defines it s. Also you're asking us to ban assault weapons. We have to write legislation. Can you tell me what is an assault weapon. How would you define it if you're the chair the head of the atf. How have you defined it over. The last several years is zero. To send to senator. If i'm confirmed as atf. Director my recollection is the only Process but by which has weighed in. Is they know. There's a demand letter three program which requires multiple reports multiple sale reports on the southwestern board. And atf in that program has defined an assault rifle as any semiautomatic rifle capable of accepting detachable magazine above the caliber of twenty two which would include a two to three which is largely the ar. fifteen round. stop that would also include every handgun that is semiautomatic. Because it's a detachable magazine it feeds into the gun all right. You know much more guns than i do. But he said rifle would handgun be if your defining it based on its feeding from a magazine underneath. He did say rifle but that would include then. If you just wanna look just at rifles that would include the gun we used in world war one world war one so i had a really rough boating accident recently Where of by both flipped over. I had all my guns. And they all went to the bottom of very deep lake And i think into a cave or something we looked at the bottom of lake could not find trace of him but at one point i did have a gun. That was sort of like an on the ar fifteen sort of platform. That was technically a handgun. Would that be included in this band. I would and i would. I feel for you because i had my guns because i was doing some investigation in a cave to i was over in wuhan okay just a few months ago and i absolute accidentally dropped all of my gun. Oh my god and they just can't. I just heard them going. Oh my gosh. Probably very deep all my learns guns. And then i heard all the facts started coming and i was like i gotta get outta here so all. My guns are in china. And you're you're able to transport your guns to the the communist republic of china. Wow wasn't easy wasn't he's that's impressive. Wasn't sure why you ask a question like that bad question. Bad question the enemy of the state right only someone who has guns perhaps in a safe no. I had had a boating accident on. Yeah i just starting at. Yeah yeah i know it was just it was deep body of water and i do so much fishing you know and i always take my gun with me until so i don't remember what body of water i was on. I remember losing the guns over over the edge of the of the bow. Call somebody. I didn't because i lost my phone. That saint figured they're down at the bottom of the lake. Nobody's gonna get them no lake. It might have been the could have been swallowed by whale. You can't remember if you were inland or on the coast. Can't remember saying no right and interesting. I lost it in a boating accident as you mentioned a few times. I'll bet you if they if you replace the metal portion of an ar fifteen with the wood paneling that you know like his on a hunting rifle. They wouldn't have any problem with these. With the average person wouldn't the average person wouldn't However what he just defined is a. I don't remember somebody in the audience will know but it is a gun that we used in world war one. I think we used in world war two and it it feeds from below. And it's a wood-paneled you know it's like a. It's like a plymouth. Woody it's wood paneling on the sides and semiautomatic. Yeah because it feeds from the from the Bottom it seems like whatever they come up with this autumn. Now you're saying that now maybe you do have to cock in. Yeah i wonder yeah. The bottom line is is they're gonna be banning a lot of guns that number one. We won't like number two. They can't actually ban because it's unconstitutional. Notice what he said here and this is the most important thing. This is woodrow wilson. And by the way i believe there is a coming announcement of a president that is going to do more damage to the united states of america. Then woodrow wilson announcement is coming from this program soon. this is what woodrow wilson did. Did you notice how he answered the question. I don't define it. I you know the agency defines it. I just i go with what the agency defines. It's not that senator was wrong. It's not what the senate says. The senate will put in. Charge the agency of the atf. And the atf will define everything. That's the way this all works so there's no one ever to really pin on. He doesn't have to answer that question because really it's in the agency and the agency. Does that technically right they. He can't write a bill right. The guy cannot say okay. This is what i think it is. Which is what is halladay. He's holding out on their correct and it is. It is like obamacare. Remember when we went through obamacare. How many times. It said we'll be left up to the secretary's discretion. Yeah that's the way all of this is done. There is a 'nother it's this is an out in the open shadow government. It is not one that is secretive. It's called the cabinet right. So so he says i can't answer this because congress has to define it and then congress says the way we define it is how the. Atf says it should be defined right and so then eventually he winds up being a big part of that decision making process anyway. Not having to deal with it before it gets correct and the senate doesn't have to deal with. Nobody has to deal with it. There's never anybody responsible for these things. And that is the thing that everyone should be concentrating on. What is it. They're doing at the cabinet level. That's the other hand back in a minute. Thank you pat gray for joining us. Pat gray from pat gray unleashed a great podcast. You can hear every day. Live before this program on the blaze radio network. Also you can hear him wherever you get your podcasts foof. Wow it's been fun hasn't it I take on w. wwe in just a minute. Yeah yeah. I'm taking on you. I'm not afraid you're listening to glenn beck all right. I told you a week ago that the american medical association released a plan to embed racial justice into the medical profession. This went beyond just saying. Hey you know we need more black. So we're going to lower the standards for people in medical school so they can be doctors. Excuse me i know that meritocracy is something that only white people care about. Because i'm sure black people are like no. I want the black doctor. What got fs in the surgery that he's going to give me that's okay. he's black. Brigham on in nobody. Nobody disagrees when meritocracy when your life is at stake so not only are. They lowering the standards at schools for people of color but there are also they released a lengthy anti-racist plan anti racist plan and their new initiatives are going to end embedded racial or. They're going to embed racial justice to rid ourselves of and of of racist people and apparently doctors. I guess doctors are very very racist. They have an eighty six page document. That outlines a three year plan to implement anti-racist initiatives including pushing critical race theory through the medical community. Now what stu what could possibly be a problem with. That could possibly be the problem with critical race theory in with your doctor. Oh it seems like then you'd be able to define people who didn't agree with critical race theory as having a medical or psychological problem. Well no we're talking about the medical field. We're talking about the medical field and you know so. I guess they might have a medical problem sure but need a psychiatrist to deem them as having a true mental. That's true if that happened. I would be more worried. You'd be more worry. Yeah i mean the medical thing is a medical thing is disturbing because you could say hey for equity purposes you white person. Don't get the treatment that person does right. That could be bad. Be bad lead to a death list. You know what i mean. Where you're you're you're making list of. Who dies who doesn't based on race race and we've the thing about this is of course we've seen this in history and i thought we all agreed it was really a bad idea. Got preferential treatment to people for medical now china's new model. So you were saying you were. You would be worried if it jose we you know it'd be another whole another step in the wrong direction if if it was psychiatrists like the apa like the american psychiatric association and kmart said Which they did yesterday The largest psychiatric organization in the world sent an email to their members yesterday that psychiatrists need to incorporate anti racism into their practice. The email encourage psychiatrists to commit themselves to practice anti-racism with their patients and restated its commitment to achieving mental health equity for all anti-racism. Ecorse you know this from the brilliant abram x. candy and his book how to be an anti-racist and and really the only way to rid racist and racism from the world is racism That's the actually dea. He says the word discrimination. He advocates for discrimination racism. Of course but I kinda put those on the same plane. So mental health professionals were given suggestions. Four steps to center racial equity in all their conversations with their patients Why is this a problem. Why is this a problem first of all because it's not true. Critical race theory is something that marxists made up to overthrow the western world and freedom. That's what critical race theory is period. There's no scientific anything backing up. Critical race theory. It was created by marxists so marxists could silence those who were against marxism. That's it that's it so now they're going to they're going to embed it into the medical side and the psychiatric side of medicine. What could possibly go wrong. Well unfortunately for me and unfortunately maybe for you. I know history. So i'll tell you what could go wrong. Do you know who the biggest advocate and professional body was that did more to bring on the holocaust and the death camps than any other profession in nazi germany doctors and nurses more german medical professionals joined the nazi party than any other profession and they also joined it at a faster clip by nine thousand nine hundred thirty three more than half of the german medical profession had joined the nazi party and they were the ones that were pushing. We got to get rid of the unfit. We gotta get rid of the people who are just not good for the reich. They were the ones you do not want your your medical professionals at all. Judging anything regarding politics doctors in germany became tightly integrated into the nazi party and supportive of its ideals. Physicians became not certified more thoroughly and sooner than any other profession and they also did more to. They did more for the final solution than anyone else by one thousand nine hundred thirty nine hundred forty. Two thirty eight thousand physicians had joined the nazi party. Here's how it happened. Now see if any of these ring in kind of a bell now. Before i go down this road i want to say just because history when we go through all of these things and you see one or two. That might be happening now. That doesn't mean you're going to end in a death camp. It just means you're on exactly the same road. So warning bridge maybe icy. It doesn't mean the bridge is always icy. It just means if the conditions are right you could find yourself flying off the side of the bridge because of ice. See if any of these things sound familiar the things that had to happen in the medical field for them to go off the bridge and into the holocaust i the devaluation and dehumanisation of segments of the community. That's happening is that happening at all. What are we going to do with these people. These people just need to be reeducated. They're extremists remember. When you couldn't say that about muslims who were actually terrorists you couldn't say about actual terrorists now. It's fine to say that. About half of america the evaluation and dehumanisation of segments of the community the medicalisation of social and political problems. What does that mean the medicalisation of social and political problems. You mean like adding critical race theory and anti-racism into the medical professions the trainings of physicians to identify with political goals of the government. So that would be like when they have trainings. And they have trading seminars. People like abram candy coming in and training is that what that is then. They also needed the fear of consequences for refusing to cooperate. Well that's not happening then. They just made the bureaucrats in charge of the medical system and when the bureaucrats We came in and just made everything a bureaucracy. The doctors needed to feel some power And they also started to Weaken their ethics and human rights. Because it was all about numbers. Then the nazis the nazi physicians and nurses viewed the state as their primary patient. Now listen to this one. Some came to see quarantine otherwise known as ghettoisation some came to see quarantine exclusion then extermination of an entire people as treatment required. So the state could survive. Quarantine check exclusion facebook. Everybody's banning and we check and then the extermination of entire people as treatment required for states health. Well at least we haven't had extermination yet doctors. I am pleading with you. Do not allow this cancer in. Its you don't you must cut it out and get clean margins. You would be a horrible doctor if you left one cancer cell in and we're like well maybe that cancer cell won't grow with you know what the skin knows better than let that reproducing. Get out of control. You know what i talked to. You know i talk to the people. I said look. I laughed some colon. Cancer in there a few cells. But you're gonna know it when it happens. Don't worry about. Just come and see me. And i'll take it out when it becomes a problem. You wouldn't notice you wouldn't knowingly. Do that to someone unless you had no other option critical race theory and anti racism is anti martin luther king and anti judeo christian values. You must not allow this to happen. Nurses you must not allow this to happen psychiatrists. You must not allow this to happen. It's a firewall read history now as if the doctors and the psychiatrists or bad enough. Wait until i tell you what. Joe biden hid in one of the emergency stimulus packages. That you're gonna find wonderful. Yeah indoctrination but for who. You're listening to the best of the glenn beck program nine Mr jason whitlock. Who is course a big fan of this program. Because of all of the heavy heavy sports talk that i do all the time. Welcome jason how are you. I'm awesome and i. I did listen to half of your last hour and wow i mean it was powerful what you were saying. It's frightening what you're saying. I can relate to what you're saying. But i do come here. Filled with hope and energy. Just i'm the most optimistic. I been in quite some time. Who's our little. What are they called rainbow ponies. My little pony. Who's going to bring some rainbow in my life right now. Thank you for that. Tell me why you're hopeful it'll be a name. Your audience may not recognize initially but maybe some of them have heard of what's been going on the past ten days two weeks kwami brown kwami brown. Oh you're you're paying attention. Yes well first of all you know from back in the basketball days but also he's been he's been mixing it up quite a bit lately. He's incredible and he's a bolt of lightning He he's former number one draft pick in two thousand and one in the nba draft by the washington wizards on those two on the team. That jordan played two years for the wizard. He's saying this for me. And about half of the women that are listening and so qualms reputation in the media been there. He was a bus that he didn't work out and he's been kind of laughing stopped for twenty years. There's another narrative in a more truthful narrative. Guys not a bus. That michael jordan actually didn't want him on the wizards and and kinda sabotaged his development early. Those first two years and so but kwami has is fed up and so he never really spoken out about this hour. Okay never know. I mean i guess he had been doing little youtube page for about a year but not really addressing this and not addressing it as passionately and aggressively as he has over the past two weeks but he started attacking these two guys steven jackson and matt barnes who joked about him on their podcast in the past two weeks and basically continuing the narrative of this guy's a bust and a failure so any jokes that were beyond what it only always been set or fame. Okay this was the tipping point and the tipping point really is and people haven't talked about this kwami has a sixteen year old son. Who i think is a sports fan and a bit of an athlete and kwami. He's like hey man. Y'all can't just talk about me like this in my son's listening daughters listening. It's undermining my effectiveness as a dad. I'm not gonna be laughing stock for forever and just a punching bag for you guys forever. But he's basically gone after. Stephen jackson and matt barnes in the most aggressive. It's profane it's in your face. He punk these guys made them apologize. Then charlemagne the god the radio host. The breakfast club is popular. He jumps in and tries to defend matt. Barnes kwami round goes after charlemagne god but but just more important than these individual beefs. Kwami is expressing a message about an redefining manhood. And it's a message specifically for black people but it's for everybody's attracted to it's about masculinity it's about what really is being a good father and a good representation in the media. This does not sound woke. no he is. That's the he's not remotely woke. He's actually on the other side huge fan of thomas. Soul huge fan of larry elder defended. Candace owens publicly. He's unpacking these. Bigger ideas. about changing this very negative culture has been defined for black people and even brace and black people are loving it. They're running towards him. He's not being called michael. Tom a coon. he's not being called a sell out there saying yes. We've been waiting on someone to say this and represent this in a way that we believe in and so. This guy has gone from ten thousand youtube subscribers to two hundred and fifty thousand and ten days. Wow ten thousand instagram followers. Two hundred seventy five thousand inten days. People are running to kwame brown and everybody in the black internet space is talking about him and having a reaction and there's been nothing but support and what he's opening the door even though again it's profane it's not you know. Look i have to tell you something. i used to have to go with my best friend Who living with us. It was broken family. He lived with us for a while. And we'd have to go pick up his dad at the bar. We all from his mom and she'd say could go pick him up at the bar so we had to go in and he was a bastard he was son of a bitch and And we'd have to go in the bar and heat calls all kinds of names and everything else and it is from that experience that i have I grew to understand if you wanna help somebody. You can't do it outside of the bar. You have to be in the bar you have to be and you're you can't even do it in the bar if you're if you're in going and jesus says you shouldn't drink on sundays. No no they're not gonna listen to you. You have to beat people where they are and he is meeting people exactly where they are and he's representing working class people of all races he. He's not an elite. he is the opposite. You know he's a plea. He's he's he's just he's anti elite and there's another version of kwami brown. That's having amazing success in the internet youtube instagram space. A guy named kevin samuels. He's not an athlete. He's a former businessman. Who's an image consultant. And he's in a suit and tie and saying really the exact same things as kwami but he's saying it like he's a college professor or he some suited up businessman and he's having incredible impact with black people. He's religious guy member of a church church all and he he and kwami or they're not working together but they are working together and they're reaching a massive audience in opening the doors for people like me and others to come in behind and add are taken spin without being cast out only guy. You're not really four black people. it's i'm hopeful. Like the tide is really turning because these guys are getting so much support and they're so anti woke have you seen it I mean here's the. I see people wake up. They wake up like this. Look i mean what you're saying. I'm i'm with you you're exactly right. It's it's crazy it's getting really crazy. Why are you whispering to me. I don't want anybody to hear you know. I'm seeing people wake up but they're not willing to stand up. That's not help. that's that's not help. are you. Seeing people actually stand up and and clarify why this is right. I'll just say this from what. I'm seeing on the internet people's comments over instagram over you to or what. They're not whispering they are shouting hallelujah. Thank god protect kwami at all calls. Kevin same was doing the right thing. It's an passionate like. We've been waiting for this type of content and this type of representation in the media space and i'm seeing nba players prominent nba players. Jump behind and support kwami and Kenyon martin's another former number one draft pick. He's got some podcast. he offered. Great support of kwami brown I've heard from hall of fame. Nba players personally. Who man the you you watch the requirements during this is great and you know. He's because look like the steven jackson guy is connected to george floyd. He had a relationship with him through childhood and part of his brand went up. In george floyd def- he gained some more popular. I know stephen jackson personally. I know matt barnes personally. They used to come on my tv. Show on speak for yourself. Stephen jackson's well intentioned but misguided matt barnes is an idiot and Kwami has called him out in ways. That you know. I don't know if he'll ever recover from causing becky with the good hair. I'm not sure. Matt barnes going to recover from that. But but they have basically done this podcast where they're in their forties. They're acting like they're still gangster. Tough guys who in khamis like. Hey man y'all grown men what wire y'all portraying to young people that This gangster lifestyle and mentality is the way for us to go and people. It's like their show has been popular. But everybody can spot the ignorance of what they're doing the degeneracy of what they're promoting and people are glad it's being called out and saying there's a better way to represent us This kwami brown and kami brown is not. he's talented. This guy will talk for two hours straight. And he'll be funny. He'll be compelling he'll be insightful it. he's talented and it's like a natural. I don't think anyone's trained him up. He just has this huge personality he. He's a far. He he farms his own ran. He owned his own land. He made sixty five million in the nba. He's not remotely broke but he lives a working class down. He grows his own food. He gets on a tractor every day. There's something about that. Changes people. I think i think when you're working with your hands and especially with the soil you don't lose the connection to the things that are real. Yeah and he. He's not someone that wants to run around with celebrities. He'd rather run around with his brothers or the plumber that comes over to his house. I mean he's saying all this and it's true he just. He calls the little cobol of celebrities the go along to get along gang and he goes there. None of them were man enough to stand on their own two feet. They don't know how to take care of themselves as a by themselves and he goes. I wanna break all that up. I want real men who are producing sustainable him on. He's he's a hat on. Yeah now he's getting into talking for. Why don't we just get him out.

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XXLRG NBA playoff season edition, along with some Kwame talk

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XXLRG NBA playoff season edition, along with some Kwame talk

"To win deals world in entertaining and provocative look into the world of sports and beyond. Please please go over to students. In raynham reviews. Your feedback is well. And how the host of the program from the washington dc metropolitan area when del wallis when the world is sports windows world and sorts. My name is wendell. Wallace and this is one dose world. Sports what's happened to man what is going on back in the fold back in the mix again bowl. Gibault swamp is sure brazelle. Jim appel window wallace. This is the windows. World is boss k. Possibly i'm gonna goes beyond. Boy wonder wallace. This is windows world of sports tunisia while while salaam aleikum novel states. What has happened in my brothers and sisters from all over the globe all over the planet. My name is one of the wallet. This is one of those world is sports so glad that you could be with us a lot of things to discussing it down on today in the world of sports as usual. I hope that you're doing great hope that you're feeling fantastic. I hope that you're doing everything you need to do. To make this world makes us place to make your neighborhood to make your block to make your area of the greatest place. It could be a utopian society in which everybody wants to go because of the love the unity the piece the understanding the education the growing from one another i hope and i pray that everybody is doing what they need to do to make this place a much better place to be starts with listening learning understanding educating open. Mind we can do it. We can do it. We can do it. Windows rolled the sports. I'm your host wonder. Wallace glad you could be with us. Some things to discuss today in the world of sports. Hey man you know. I'm recording this on a friday night. Just finish watching the memphis. Grizzlies beat the golden state warriors to qualify for the nba play-off the number eighth seed in the eastern. Excuse me in the western conference. Sending the golden state warriors. Give my thoughts and opinions about the different story line for the second season coming up. Not only talking about the play games but also talking about what's happening in the western conference first round was happening in the eastern conference first round with players which coaches which teams are going to be feeling the heat. The most which teams have the most approved players from each conference. Have the most has the most pressure on them. Whether we're talking about. James harness jalis playoff p. Paul george chris paul. The milwaukee brought bucks. Lebron james. Of course brooklyn the clippers phoenix. All of these teams. Have some type of interesting reasons entering the playoffs. The denver nuggets the portland trailblazers. All the teams have interesting story lines and for the pike today. I'm just going to go over a few of them and talk about some of the players. most visible. Who need to have a. I would say dominated is not the word but having a very successful playoff. Ron ron not just individually but also for their team so we'll get into that ex. nba basketball player. Former number one nba. Pick be careful. I better be careful better. Watch what. I say a better watch toll better. Be careful in the words that i choose to use in regarding this ex nba player forbes former number one nba draft pick. Kwami brown is on the verbal rampage. These under revenge tour has been twenty long years. He's been silent for twenty years. He's been keeping his mouth in check. He's been keeping the targeting check even keeping emotions feelings to himself. But all of a sudden matt barnes steven jackson gilbert arenas all the smoke unleashed crummy brown and he verbally laying. Waste to anyone who gets in his way We've got this man going off on. Burn steve jackson gilbert arenas man if you don't believe listen to some of this verbal destruction that cuomo brown put on recently put on the airway for everyone to he'll give it arenas is the worst thing for nichols. He act like he liked. Black folks him stephen jackson all and that little of matt barnes deadly. She put a battery jack back that little tap in and that girl she i used like you but now see you wanna know. Confused lives in nigga was never dark enough to hang with the black so you had to act like a jackass approve us tough and he was never wide enough to be with the whites. So you just angry league this. Oh the sheets. You say is always aggressive as stupid. You don't know how to respect a man his face. I never say none to you all about you. Sorta go that far and tap. Do all that little girl. She was wrong with you. Who raise you nigga to take food out another may amount. Who raise you love stephen. A millionaire as nigger to be so girly and it had a look at you show. I thank you look girl as needs for the platform. I needed something to talk about. A little girl as nigga is the topic and i hope i've been one you to just keep it a main all. You know me all you know so. That's what's kwami brownies. Talking about and people so far who will felt the rest of the quami have included. Djamil hill stephen a michael jordan. Shell made the breakfast club. Lebron's skip bayless sharp. Rachel nichols i don't know man. The next twenty. Four hours have been rob parker chris. Broussard i mean i don't know who else is going on. His his his hitless but man he has just been going buck wild in terms of people. He's just calling out. He's got some things that he wants to say. It seems like he's been inside of him for about twenty years fifteen years or so and now it is time to let it all hang out. You hear what he said about michael jordan. Did you hear about how. Put them jay on blasts. This is what he said about Jordan and the relationship that he has jordan in terms of some of the expectations and some of the responsibilities and some of the blame game that went his way when he was rookie. With the washington. Wizards somebody talking about the elephant in the room. They still protecting the m so much the guy he loves so much. No-one ads would day. If mj was supposed to trade him from elton which makes a whole lot of sense and that didn't happen could be the type of guy that bitch this guy and put them through. And maybe that has something to do something. I will see you must think that you've been put somebody in do low. Twist like they be me having my boss. Be the number one graphic then. I started coming. Said i was supposed to be arguing through like shit working out of two and a half three hours before the damn game telling me i ain't gonna play blown out by thirty. They put me in a game tied. A motherfucker young. It don't even matter hold up bitchy or work me offline three hours. I've been sitting on a bench for another two and you want me to do what. And there's only the game over with already down thirty when i got in but somehow i'm the reason we lost at the end of the podcast gonna talk about some of the stuff that he said you know. What about ninety. Five percent of brierley's top of the ballot in terms of a man. Basically what the just what he's saying is that you know what you put these black folks on the radio. Put these black folks on the podcast. You give these folks the opportunity to speak to others and all they're going to be doing this. They go on these white owned radio stations or wait on radio or a broadcasting places and all they do is put down black folks and all they do is Desecrate black folks and all they do is make fun of black folks and the only reason why they get fame the only reason why they were rich the only reason why they have this platform is because of their willingness to go ahead and to put down black people to make themselves look good to be putting down other black people and in a way i think. Kwami brown has a Has an argument about that. I agree with him about that but There was one person that he took aim at and was Speaking about You know what your mouth. That wasn't true this that the other one person that he Brought it out. I've had jim hill. That the only person where i was like well you know what if you wanted to put down stephen. That's fine if he wants to put down skip. That's fine if you wanted to put down others. That's fine but when he came out against Djamil hill would. He came out and said some stuff gets djamil hill and now mel hill facing the repercussions of what kwami brown was saying. Have a little problem with that. Have a little problem with that. Not in the fact that you know jamal. He'll need to be criticized. She could be criticized and believe me. She gives a lot of criticism most of it unfairly but she does get criticism. Come her way but You know. I think in a situation like this. Some of the things that call me braun was saying might have been just a little bit too dangerous in terms of everything that djamil hill went through. A now is what she's going through because of the things the comments and opinions that kwami brown Recorded regarding djamil hill. So some of the things that i want to be talking about in the last segment of the program. You don't wanna be wanna be careful and responsible when you criticize critique black americans little cysts. I mean for those who are older than jamaica hills. She's black american legal system for those who are younger than jamaica hills. She's black america's big cities. So you know you. You want to leave that stuff alone. You don't wanna mess with the black america's mother michelle obama. You're wanna miss. What little sis. Djamil hill we get a little. We can little antsy about that a little protective about that. At least at least some of us do at least a lot of us do what analyst the black community by any means but for the most part you know baila hill tread lightly when you're speaking ill of missiles so be addressing that later on in the podcast at the end of the podcast was world. Sports i'm your host win the wallis so glad that you could be with us and man Did you hear major league baseball. Another no hitter was thrown. The other night isn't that something is not wonderful. New york yankees right hander. Corey kluber kluber. Scooby threw a no hitter against the texas rangers wednesday night. Just twenty four hours after the last hitter in a two to one two victory against the texas rangers kluber threw a complete game. No hits runs one walk. Nine strikeouts a hundred pitches thrown. All right it was the seventh no hitter of the season so far through forty-three three days. Yes i am counting medicine. Bub gardeners seven inning. No hit game that the rules stated that the game was seven innings. Then guess what. It's seventy game now. If you want to put an asterisk by you wanna pull aside no by saying this was officially different to recognize an official game. But it only lasts for seven innings. You can go ahead and do that but technically it was a no hitter. So i if calling it a no hitter so so far has been seven no hit game through the season forty three days in the record for most no hit. Games of the season is eight. And how much was we have left before the end of the season about four. So i think that by the time. This season's over we could be looking at a boatload of no hit games so far this season pitcher to throw no hitters. Remember when you had the nolan ryan's and you had the bob gibson's and you had this randy johnson's and you had these hall of famers. You had these greats that through hitters every balloon. You would have a dentist martinez type. You would have a david cone type. You will have david wells type where you would have someone like alka throw a perfect game or no hitter but you know it almost seemed like the majority of the no hitters were relegated were reserved for the greats the legends the hall of famers so pitcher to throw no hitters this season so far have been joe muss growth on april ninth carlos rome april fourteenth. John means by any means necessary on may v. Wade miley may seventh. And then spencer trimble mateen tonight again in going to include madison bumgarner. Seven inning no hit game on april twenty fifth of all of those pitchers. When you're speaking about this season throwing a no hitter. Madison bumgarner is the only person that kind of perks. Up the perks. Up the hair on your on your skin to say. Oh okay now. I know what. I'm talking about in five months from now. Where you're gonna know who joe moscow viz or call us when dawn or john means a night pitcher for the baltimore orioles but still ring the name or sandy koufax does he have any type of similarities type of name recognition or any type of thought process of of a bob gibson above feller or anybody else who's thrown a no hitter. I don't know if gibson or filler stone no hitter right off the top of my head but when you speak in the ballot again no hitters. Does john mean suspension term bowl rave miley That mixing there with someone like a Like a Sadie colfax or someone like clayton kershaw or someone like roy holiday or something like that. No so you know i. I don't know. I don't know it's it's interesting though because the official the six official no hitters. They've come the -spensive of just three teens. The rangers the seattle mariners. And the cleveland indians. They all been no hit twice though. This is not something where you know on one hand was sitting there. We're talking about me. What's going on right now major league baseball's on pace to have twenty no hitters ridiculous. Something's going on baseball. Needs to be changed. The shift in the Shift in the outfield or the shift with the defense allowing teams not to Get hit where they would normally get hits. Better that getting where they would normally get hits. Fifteen twenty twenty-five thirty years ago a situation where you know. You're saying that you know a strikeout is just as meaningless stores. Just the same as someone as someone who's grounding out when there's nobody on base or anything like that so swing for the fences because players getting paid mainly off a home runs not of decent batting averages. So all of these things that we can talk about all of these things that we can try to reason on why there's been so many no hit games so far this season pay basically you take out the rangers. The mariners the indians we. We're not even talking about this. This is coming on anybody's radar so on one hand. Is it alarming that there's a budget no hitter so far on one hand yes but the fact of this coming from such a small sample size does that mean that. Somehow that the game itself needs to change because of the amount of no hitters never been thrilled. You could make an argument that no no. That's just typical and something like this. But i will say if major league baseball is going to be on the path of this spending no hitters and the season the no hitter starting to lose its luster like the triple double in basketball or the four hundred yard passing game in football remember. Russell westbrook a blue that all the spinach when he averaged a triple double for the entire season. Something that you know oscar robertson last person before russell westbrook to do that stuff was oscar robertson back to the nineteen sixty one sixty two season where he averaged a triple double and it was always thought of saying that you know what man this is something where like akin to maybe wilt chamberlain scoring one hundred points of the game or wilt chamberlain averaging fifty points of the game or you know bill russell and chamberlain bellamy dave the butcher those guys averaging over twenty rebounds again game. These are just numbers that we're not going to be seeing again and one of the numbers that is at the top. In terms of seasons awesome seasons unbelievable seasons is somebody averaging a triple double for the entire season like oscar robertson did and they were point out the fact that over three year period for your period the first four years in the nba career that oscar robertson. Almost damn near averaged a triple double per game so there was even scuttle but never even discussion opinions win speaking about the tremendous achievement that ask robertson made in acquiring the triple double for an entire season. They would even throw in the fact that man. It wasn't just one season where he almost got the triple double. This guy was so awesome. This guy is so great that he almost average triple double combined for the first three or four years of his career. Well now at the end of the season russell westbrook's average. What a triple double for for the past five years and now we're up there. Speaking about now we're trying to find ways now. We're trying to find avenues. And now we're trying to find discussion points now. Trying to find an olympics to diminish that Achievement by russell westbrook well on the rebound stephen adams with box out the entire team and not go for the rebound so russell westbrook to go ahead and get a rebound or russell. Westbrook would be hunting triple doubles and i don't know how anybody hunts a triple double all the selfish players that have been in the league. I don't think that you know. No one was hunting triple doubles until russell westbrook seventh or eighth year. Lebron kevin durant decided to take his talents to the bay area. That russell westbrook said you know what i'm going to start hunting triple doubles and the fact that it was so interesting. Go ahead do that. He would do that not just one season. But average that for the next four or five seasons michael jordan hunted triple doubles. I forgot what year it was. I think what the year. I think one of the years that he won the nba championship. But there was a time in august or something. Now excuse me. There was a time to february or something like that where he would actually go to the scores table and ask the guys how. What am i statistics. How me rebounds do i have. How do i have. And what was just a matter of just trying to keep interested in the game. That was one of the main reasons why he was doing it. Because it just needed something a challenge to go by so jordan. I think maybe a month concentrating on average a triple double for the month so if anybody was going to be hunting out triple doubles of you. Wanna put it in russell. Westbrook also better. You also include michael jordan. In that scenario. I read a book loose balls by terry. Pluto who were slew are talking about the nba. Back in the sixties in the fifties. And when the league's first started he was interviewing guys. Like tommy. heinsohn. Bob cousy and all these guys and billy cunningham and such and they said that the year that wilt chamberlain nineteen sixty seven sixty eight season. The wilt chamberlain led the league in assists. He was very cognizant of harmony. Assist study had. How many assist study needed. He was only going to pass the ball to a certain player who he knew would give him the best opportunity to get a triple double that he would go to the scores table and that the scores table. How many triple doubles do i have of. Tb how many assists do i have right now. Going back to my misspoke with go ahead. He would only pass the greer or jackson or billy cunningham or maduka. Someone who he knew would give him the best opportunity to get an assist. So this notion that russell westbrook was this guy hunting triple doubles and he was the only one that we're doing it so because of that we somehow need to diminish the achievement that He had and becoming the all time. Triple doubles leader. Is hogwash bullshit. Nonsense am i digress. All talking about The no hitter. I wonder if these no hitters continue at the race in the frequency that they're going. I wonder if we're just gonna come back and say oh yes so what your no hitter in okay. Another another sports like no big deal when someone. We'll get a triple double in basketball. It will stop the presses little. Eat this off a sportscenter. Same thing with someone throwing for four hundred yards in nfl game and then you have the rule changes to come in. Then you had the the chretien or the you know the less importance of the running back and you had receivers who could run over all over the field without being touching without being covered by cornerbacks not being little by safeties and linebackers so all of a sudden you. Had you know some of the philosophies of the college football game coming in with the four wide spread in the mobile mobile quarterbacks such and the way that these guys are throwing the football over all over the yard and how many times so football. And like i mentioned before the way that you know. The west coast offense has evolved all this type of things. It's come to the point now where someone told for four yards. Big fucking deal. If you're having a quarterback you're averaging three hundred three hundred and fifty yards and the season everyone takes to shoulder to shoulder like yell and a wondering if with baseball triple doubles. Nba four hundred yard passing games and fell. I wonder if the no hitter in baseball is going to be something whereas like because for a while remember during the steroid era era in baseball. When you had all these guys hitting fifty and sixty home runs. You had sammy. Sosa cracked seventy. You had barry bonds cracking seventy three roger Skipping you had mark. Maguire mashing the ball. Sammy sosa bashing the ball. I mean hell off hitter brady anderson nine hundred ninety eight for the baltimore. Orioles brady anderson. Excuse me for the baltimore. Orioles one thousand nine hundred ninety eight. I think he hit dams either thirty eight or forty. Something home runs or something like that but you know before in baseball. The hit thirty five forty home runs. I mean that was awesome but there was a turn but people were like remember for the cincinnati reds. George foster with the last guy to hit fifty home runs. You think we'll see that you think we'll see that you'll think we'll see that cecil fielder came along and big girth big earthy selfie hit a of homerun. But he looked like a home run hitter. That guy was a big big boy so he looked like someone who could put the ball out of the yard on a frequent basis and talk about someone hitting fifty home run. Well you know. Barry bonds got a hopeless. Bt's mcguire so all these guys get a hold of some pd's and all of a sudden now with tightening of the ball was smaller. Ballparks that were being built at the time all of a sudden now hitting fifty home runs with no big deal in the season so this is all just. I don't know what does this leading to. Because the reason for the amount of no hitters in baseball it has nothing to do with. Pd had nothing to do with illegal substances it has nothing to do with the reinvention of the spitball or the slime ball or two goof-ball or anything like that. I don't know what it is. I have no idea what that is. Clayton kershaw the los angeles dodgers hall of fame ace. In one of the greatest pitchers of his generation he believes the abundance of no hitters is bad for the sport which i agree and the mlb is to blame with his new deaden baseball and this is what he told her. This is what he was talking about with reporters on wednesday. He said well is not good. I'll tell you that. I think whatever the intention was with the new ball or whatever. It may be a really hasn't done anything. No hitter cool. I have all the respect in the world for corey kluber in bomb which is bumgarner and all of those guys that have thrown no hitters but to have what happen every night. It seemed like it's probably not good for the game Fans want to see hits. I get that in some action in not many people striking out. I appreciate the attempt that major league baseball has tried to do. But i think it seems like they missed the mark so far. We'll see. I don't know. I don't know if i should. I should correct myself. I don't i don't know if too many home runs or excuse me too many No hitters bad for game you know with bad for the game. I know i sound like a broken record for the longest. You know what's bad for the game. Five three and a half hour baseball games three and a half four hour nine inning baseball games. You know what's bad for the games having to nothing baseball game where both teams combined to have eleven pitchers to starters one starter for one team one starter for the other team within each team coming in with three or four bullpen guys early to law school like me now for the new school. Maybe it's no big deal. But kevin kelly style baseball. That's no good for the game. That's bad for the game but russa introduced it when he was with the saint. Louis cardinals and now. We've seen kevin kelly of the tampa bay rays taken to a whole new level to level of absurdity along with the oakland a few years ago i remember when they started a playoff game. I don't know art. I forgot who the manager but the starting pitcher went two innings. And then after that it would reliever reliever reliever reliever reliever i mean. Come on. y'all really. I mean that's bad for the game. What are the best baseball games. I've ever seen have involved low scoring games. Games were teams. Aren't getting hips game. Seven of the nineteen eighty seven eighty eight ninety one africa playoff game world but game seven between the minnesota twins and the atlanta braves. And you had jack morris going the complete way tailings. Ten innings against john smoltz. That was one of the best baseball games. I've ever seen a regular season game at yankee stadium. Where you had pedro martinez was boston versus the new york yankees and you had pedro martinez going up against roger clemens. I patriot one. Eight or nine innings. I don't know if he had complete game. But i know he was damn close to it but He pitched a gym over clements and a game where boston two to nothing. That was awesome game to watch the no hitter thing. That really doesn't bother me. The fact of who they know hillary. That really doesn't bother me. What bothers me is the pace of the play. What bothers me. It's the lack of rhythm to the game bothers. Me is the fact that the scene that major league baseball wants to take every ounce of fun and excitement and enthusiasm out of the soul of the players to whenever they do something spectacular anytime. We do something great anytime. They hit a monstrous run. Anytime they make a fabulous player play the old scores. The the the guy from the old school wants you to not show any emotion at all. Those are some of the things i think are hurting the game. More than anything was not so much of no hitters. Yes no hitters. Is something worse like one or two a year. that's awesome. that's unbelievable. You have someone. Like max scherzer. You have someone like jacob degrom you have someone like cole hamels local handles you have someone like a garrett cole. You have some picture of that quality of that ilk doing a no hitter. Yes that's exciting. that's awesome. That's interesting leading sportscenter. That's news that's all those things and anytime the the historical unbelievable achievement of throwing a no hitter or a complete game all of a sudden becomes diminished. It takes away from major league baseball. It takes away from the excitement. It takes away from a way to to Put the game out the folks at the bad way in terms of the baseball trying to promote the sport so on one hand i get what they're saying but you know when you have battered up there. Swimming for home runs all the time. The league hitting two thirty six this season. Which would be the lowest batting average in history in one thousand nine hundred thousand eight of you. Remember when bob gibson. When i don't know something like two hundred six and he had like a one point zero zero four yara in some nassar's like i don't know. He started like thirty seven games and he completed like ninety eight percent of them and Mickey the pitcher for the the choice tigers. Who spent some time in prison. Because he couldn't help solve gambling lowly age. I forgot who it was. But for the detroit tigers and sixty eight of one of the world series and he wanted to cy young award. He had a ridiculous Era in a Pitching won loss record of those types of things. The league that season in sixty eight when the mound was raised the batting average with two thirty seven. So right now in your twenty twenty one in major league baseball there's only seven teams hitting below sitting above two hundred and fitness. She whiz there's always seven teams hitting above two fifty and twelve. Eighteen are hitting at least two forty. So i don't i don't know what we're gonna do here man as mentioned before the way the defensive play hitters unwilling or unable to adjust to the shifts swing for the fences. Bj up the upton brothers. I mean they were the ones who are like if i strikeout strikeout. I don't give a damn when they were with the arizona diamondbacks they had that group of guys would just go up. Closer is a swing as hard as they could and they struck out. Oh well big deal. What's the difference between a strike down in the ground out is still him out so you know what the deal so you know. All of this is something to wear eventually. It gets to a point where we're having a conversation about the no hitter. Are there too many of them interesting. Very interesting wendell's world in sports. The podcast i'm your host wonder wallace. Glad that you could be with us real quick before i get to the break man's of boxing news deontay wilder tyson. Fury verbally agreed to fight again. No taste fury and anthony joshua no not what what would have been the biggest heavyweight championship. Bout and bertram british history. No that was the biggest championship belts heavyweight history over the past fifteen years now. No nothing like that. No deontay wilder and tyson fury doing it again because an arbitrator ordered tyson fury to fight the wilder next and theories camp didn't wanna pay the wild around me to say. Hey look man you know what. Lay low chill all do. We'll we'll get you on the rebound you go ahead and do that. So the fight. When you're speaking about fury and wilder the most likely will be taking place at t. Mobile arena out here vegas although the mgm. Graham was also discussed the also wanted to do something to legion stadium but the cost of using the venue was a little bit too high. T mobile has now become the front runner. I'm being the last time they fought rematch. Where they for. I don't know where they got. The idea where lee stadium would be viable when they fought in a forget where they thought out here in vegas. I don't know but the mgm grand. I know t mobile. I know where it was but wherever wherever it was it didn't sell out and they'll have for sure so i don't understand where why all of us end allegiance. Stadium is going to be the place to be there. Speaking about you know the date being july twenty fourth that the borders should be opened up so furious fans from europe can come over and fill that venue up Okay but you know. He didn't they didn't do it the first time. That fury thought wilder. So i don't know how they do it to the degree to the amount that they would have to pull it in a football stadium canal alvarez might be able to fill up allegiance stadium but tyson fury funding deonte walder. I don't think so so. The fight is scheduled for july. Twenty fourth the alternative date is targeted for fourteen. Th that they can't get it done there. i find mentioned before december i twenty eighteen was a split draw. Many people thought that deontay waller won that fight but there was no argument about who won the second fight which took place february twenty second two thousand and twenty in las vegas fury wilder several not. Tko afterwards ends subs in subsequent days after the fight. So weird interesting ridiculous stuff coming out in the mouth of the wilder talking about i was wearing too much garbage going into the ring that wore me out and i didn't have the strength or the energy to go ahead and fight tyson fury. He fired longtime trainer. Mark brooklyn because he was upset with brilliant. Because he's doing the towel because he was getting his ass kicked in and while there was talk about. No i wanna be the guy who goes out on the shield. If i have to die in the rain and let me dinah rain and somehow someway i guess he felt would mark breeland did throwing in the towel with a punkish move on his part that make them look like punk to show them up. I don't know what it was but If the dumb argument number one the while there has kids he had been imamas. You need to take care of. I don't know how good he can be able to take care of kids if he's dead. I don't know how to take care of his kid if he's not making millions of dollars fighting so i don't know why he would be so upset with mark. I don't know why manager trainer. Jd's would be so upset with mark brooklyn when he meant. You know you go ahead. You live to fight another day. We don't wanna tell we we come back. We come back and learn from our mistakes that we get back in the ring and try it again. i. I don't know what the msci smoke bullshit nonsense mark deontay wilder talking about by saying. You know what i'm upset because i was getting my ass kicked but you know what i was knocked unconscious. I wasn't seriously hurt. I wasn't hurt to the point where they were going to carry me off like i'm a i'm a soldier in data also because of that i want the fire mark breeland j. talking about. Yeah that's a good idea. We need to do that. Because walter had one punch knockout power so even though he was getting his ass whooped even though that he was getting physically beat up punch away from sending tyson fury asleep even though in the first time they fought speaking about wilder and theory the first time they fought and while they're landed uppercut from hell in a lookalikes should take tyson fury head off the fact that a it didn't take off be fury got up from that knocked down and see by the end of that round was the one leading the would on dante wilder should've let j. d.'s. Not even that notion that well if he's still standing at somehow someway he can lay one punch. That could either win the fight form or turned the tide for the for. Deontay wilder is absolute complete mountains in regards to that night fighting tyson fury during that moment in time of the fight. But they're gonna to fight more time they're gonna fight again so you know bob barren told. Espn that these specs. The contracts to be signed in the upcoming days purses going to be split. Sixty forty fury favor for this trilogy fight. Wow can't wait you know what's and look i. It's hard for me to sit there and be talking about fighters need to do this then the other especially when you talk about fighting because no matter who you are fighting no matter what caliber fighter that you are whether you're a contender your champion. Whether you're a dominant champion hamish. Every time you step into that ring regardless of who you are fighting whether you whether you're fighting someone that's your equal or find someone that you know is a glorified sparring session. Every time you walk into that ring you are taking whether it be seconds minutes hours off. Your potential life expectancy every time you walk into that ring and if you're going to be going into a fight that's going to be you know super difficult something that's going to be very challenging from a physical standpoint when you walk out of that ring you're going to be a lot different shake permanently drubel. It'd be a lot worse for wear permanently than you did an hour before you walked into that ring so you know behoove me to sit there and try to tell a deontay wilder or tyson fury or alexander sick or a anti joshua the conductor business. Because i'm not the one that's getting punched in the face. I'm not the one who's who's brain being rattled With punches in jabs to the face. I'm not up there. You know my bodily organs being damaged by kidney shots and liver shots and those type of things. So book man. It's hurt business is a dangerous business and it's just that a business you wanna make as much money as you can as a fighter in get out with as many faculties that you have left for your being so you can enjoy your forties fifties sixties an awfully your seventy s. So you don't get t. E.'s so you don't get pugilist dementia. So you don't end up like these guys homeless brainless useless worthless in terms of being a impact having some type of a impacting society. I don't want to. I wouldn't want to end up is up. i don't wanna end up like ezzard. Charles i wanna end up like emmanuel griffin. I don't want to end up. Like tommy hearns. I don't want to end up like melter taylor. I don't wanna end up like that. I don't want to end up when i'm forty fifty zero all slurring. My not remembering what. I said that the two minutes before. I don't to. I want to be that way when i'm in my mid forties. What good is it. How much millions do you have. What good is it if you're facing those type of debilitating situations at such an early age. I don't wanna do that. I don't wanna be so. I get it in terms of some turns what we demand that the public for fighters and what the fighter themselves are saying. You know i mean. Look after me myself. And i first second or third solo saying how wonderful awesome. I'm glad that you could put the arch more fighting over two hundred times. I'm glad that you can fight to you. Can you can show the example of sugar. Ray robinson jake fighting two times in a month the fact that they must do a bloody bloody battle and then sugary the modern. Turn around and fight three weeks later. I'm glad that you could show all those examples. But i ain't gonna do that. That's not going to be happening to me. So damn shit damn on one hand is like damn shit damn damn i wish tyson fury in entity joshua would be able to get it on but you know this is a business. So what can you say. Man fury tweeted the joshua on tuesday. I'll smoke wilder. I then you will get yours as well now. Metro boxing. any hearn joshua's promoter said in a recent video statement that olexander lucic whose undefeated at eighteen in our thirteen knockouts the mandatory channel challenger for joshua's h. b. o. belt could be joshua's next opponent if fury is available and this is the situation kind like deontay wilder. How much risk is joshua willing to take with this. That you have enough money to go ahead and say hey look man you know. I'm gonna wait till the winner of the deontay. Wilder tastes fury fight. So here's fifteen million dollars. We'll just relinquish the beltway here to go on now. I'm i'm i'm fighting for the money and not for the belt. I wonder how that would work out sick at the point where we'll get five or six more years left. I think no sick somewhere early to mid thirties. So i've got five years. Don't got six years seven years to wait around the finally fight for the belt fight for the championship. So if there's any way an arbitrator can come to my rescue and come to my behalf and say that you are you are Going to anthony joshua say that you are required to fight alexander lucia. Then he give a deal with a man's gotta do maybe they get that on in august and you know the window of opportunity for a fight later on this year or early. Twenty twenty two between joshua fury. Still be there. I don't know i have no idea. Oh and by the way. Before i get on the boxing many pack yell came in late. Friday many patio has agreed in august. Fight errol spence. I don't know who is advising many pack yell. I don't know who thought that would be a great idea. I don't know what planet many pack y'all can go to to prepare themselves to be in there with errol spence i. I don't know if they have some type of information regarding errol spence you look really good and his last fight against danny garcia. So i don't know maybe they're thinking about the car crash that maybe he's not the same guy that he was. Maybe taking a look at the film that many patty. I'll see something that he can exploit and take advantage of. I don't know but the fact that aerospace is going to be fighting many pack yell for errol spence. It's teaching to change. You hit the lottery because you are going to be making a boat load of money for what should be an easy night's work against many pack yell a lot more money and a lot easier fight than say if he would have gone up to fight crawford or bug crawford with agree to a fight so from errol spence point of view. Yeah i could see him saying many pack on what to find me eurorail. Let's get it on. Who all manny lance. Get at home. Check my bank account. So it's one of those deals for manny. Why why competition the challenge and other types of things. He mandate checkers to suggest the tennis thing that this is. This is the hurt business. And you're going to get in there with that big. That big boy wait known as errol spence early thirties. When you're forty two years old. Okay all right. I'm guessing you know in every career even the great ones even the greatest of the mobile somehow someway have to have to pass that torch. Sugar ray leonard. Pass that torch. Chivalry robinson Pass that torch. Joe louis pass that torch. Mohammed ali. pass that torch. We know in this regard. Maybe that's what Maybe that's what many patio was doing. But that's that's what we're gonna be talking about today on the program so it's about time we start talking about a little. Nba action right. It's about time that we start talking about what's happening in terms of the playoffs concerned. It's about time that we started talking about the playoff games. It's about time but we started talking about breaking it down and see what's happening in the nba playoffs. So let me go ahead and do my tribute to dr j. by letting your flow but grover washington junior and let's get this. Nba basketball party. Playoff party started roller sports. I'm your host one to so glad speaking of development happy christmas every birthday happy hanukkah way to go for the july fireworks. Everything all rolled into one. The nba playoffs is starting. It'll be starting tomorrow the inaugural the inaugural. Nba playing games started this week game of the tournament. So far i will. I wanna say memphis versus golden state. That was awesome. That was fantastic game under do willing to overtime but You know when. You've got lebron james plan and you know when you have the and you know when you have the los angeles lakers plane that something like that is bound to happen in terms of yeah man. We gotta get this going. We gotta get the thing going. So the lakers in the warriors put up a hell of a game on wednesday. The lakers one thirteen one. Ten on the heroic of lebron. James made a long go ahead. Three pointer with fifty eight seconds remaining in the game before that james was poked by draymond green in the eye while driving to the basket with around two minutes remaining the bron- on busted wheel bat ankle still managed to score twenty two points. Eleven rebounds tend to assist for his six. Triple double of the season and by taking a look at the ratings. I know steph. Curry helped being the star of the show but lebron james is still the face that runs the place for the nba. Mma the espn's executive telecasts of west thing. Wednesday's night's game between the warriors and the lakers drew an average audience of five point six million viewers peaking with one six point one five. You're from twelve thirty two one. Am eastern standard time. The most watch nba game on espn simpson. Twenty nineteen western finals. In up one hundred ninety percent on the twenty twenty playing on abc so like You know whatever. Lebron james player man. It's always there so regardless you know we're speaking about. It was nice to have memphis get into the playoffs on the one hand because in the eastern conference had really things fell right into place. These seven eight seats going into the play in the boston. In the washington. Wizards my wizards break bay. The playoffs and the teams were seeded. Nine and ten. The indian indiana pacers in the charlotte. Hornets didn't make the playoffs. So the long regular season really didn't meet something because seven and eight two when the season ended the eastern conference. The boston celtics in the washington wizards. They both made the playoffs. While on the other hand in the western conference yet you had the seven seeded. Los angeles lakers getting in there but instead of having the eighth seed the golden state warriors they lost. Not only to the lakers but also to the memphis grizzlies. So the number nine seated memphis grizzlies if they didn't have this tournament which would be out of the playoffs. But in this situation this scenario. So what's the what's the what the scenario they are now in the playoffs will they will be playing the utah jazz so i think all in all the playing turnament was success by taking a look at all of these games as i mentioned before except with the exception of the final game of the eastern conference play in between the washington wizards and the indiana pacers. Where for some unbeknowst reason to anybody. The indiana pacers played like all of a sudden they had to do with i if they won this game and got themselves into the playoffs that they bjorkman. The coach of the team of the patients would remain the coach moving on the next season. If you don't know let me explain. Educate you on the fact that There's been a rift between bjorkman. Some of his key players in his coaching staff to the point to where the indiana upper brass is contemplating not bringing back Bjorkman for this upcoming bjorkman realizes these the situation he realizes this shortcoming he's been making moves and doing things to try to extend the branch to go ahead and save his position but by the way the indian patriots played. They were down by thirty early in the third quarter. It they were playing like what one-two-three ten kuhn as soon as late line for finished to start started game but other than that the plaguing game tonight the elimination game tonight between the grizzlies and the warriors that was played with intensity that was play with passion that will play with enthusiasm. The crowd and the bay area place. They were ruin ready to go. They were enthusiastic m so all in all it was. It was a good idea. It was a good first step toward this tournament. And i wonder if things like this. Continue on what they're going to expand it more to maybe include more teams. The nba has been speaking about ways to spice up the regular season. And maybe kinda cut down on the ballot teams tanking regular season when they find that they have no chance a making the playoffs. And one of the suggestions that the commissioner nba. Commissioner adam. silver made was to go ahead and do a plan as a mid season tournament in european foodball. The fact that you know during the regular season super ball teams in these leagues all over europe. All over the world you know partake in these different tournaments. During the season before they resumed the regular season and silver has been dangling that out there in terms of for teams like the orlando magic teams like the minnesota timberwolves teams the oklahoma city thunder teams. That are not going to be making. the playoffs. gives them something to play for. Give them something to cheer about. Give them something another opportunity for them to win something even though they wouldn't qualify the end of the season to make the playoffs. Because of the record. So all of these ideas that have been bandied about if you want to stretch if you want to flex if you want to think outside the box if you want to maybe give other ideas if you want to say for instance hold a ended the season tournament to qualify for the play tournament. Which would then get you into the nba playoffs. Maybe something like that. Never gonna stop taking full gore. You're never gonna stop the full board full-throated the full list is go ahead and let's just do. Let's get ourselves into a position where we can go ahead draft ourselves. The highest we can give ourselves to get in a position to draft the highest player available. There was no tournament with no scenario. There was nothing during the regular season. Anything that would have entice the oklahoma city thunder not the tent. That would entice the orlando magic. After they've found out that they were woefully out of competing for any type of playoff berth. In the aaron gordon. And what a hidden traded a few other nicole yoga nicola usage stuff. There was no play in tournament. There were no in season tournament. There was nothing that was going to stop that organization from seeing what they can do to lose many game as possible so they can get themselves in the position. The drafting celtic johnson or drag themselves teed cunningham or draft themselves jalen green or jailers roger. Anything like that teams. Like the cleveland. Cavalier for instance. No amount of carrot dangled carrots dangling. Their way would have entice them to not get into the best position possible to get themselves a high draft. Pick but you know on the situation you know maybe down the road it could entice more teams to do so in a league where there's thirty teams if normally but the in game you would have five six teams tanking while you know maybe with the end of the season tournament to get themselves in a position to play for the playing tournament to get themselves into the playoffs maybe instead of having five or six teams take maybe go down to two or three and a situation like this It all depends. It's just just thinking outside the box just thinking differently. I've always mentioned the fact that i would love to have a tournament to where the winner of that tournament gets the number one. Pick i i. I've always felt especially in a draft where you have a prospect. Like an anthony davis or like l. james aurelie design. We'll you when you have one of these franchises changing altering players coming into the league that the most important thing and this goes to any sport if you speak in baseball speaking football whatever teams speaking about here in this country in the north america the fact that the most second most important prize that you can win other than winning a championship. It's giving yourself a number one draft pick. I said that before. Football with trevor lawrence coming down the road to be drafted this season. I said that the second most important most valuable prospect or those valuable property that you can have other than holding up that lombardi trophy is holding up that number one. Pick in the nfl draft to get yourself a quarterback who could lead you to a situation where you could be winning championships. Where you could be willing super bowls. Would you could be selling a lot of merchandise. So your your franchise value can raise. If you go ahead. You drive trouble. Oers put the right about of teammates. Coaching staff and organization around him to win a championship. The key killing him not in the same stratosphere as an anthony davis not in the stratosphere is lebron james. I don't think that keep his at that level. But i think kate killing him is good enough for teams. They were playing in a tournament to deprive would be the number one pick in the draft. Which would probably be k. Telling him. I'm quite sure that those teachings that are not qualified for the playoff team mike orlando in cleveland and sacramento and such would be playing their asses off so they could get themselves in a position to improve their team. That way that you know. Those are just some of the things that i was thinking about. Those are some of the things that would dangling in my mind was speaking about. Hey you know what so. Far the plant tournament has been great for the nba. What can we do the spruce things up a little bit. Even more even more so yemen that game on wednesday which i've watched it in a hotel room ski. That was a big game between the lakers. In the warriors the lakers scored golden state by fifteen in the second. Half sixty one forty five. Nobody lebron james have a pretty solid game with a triple double with twenty two points. Eleven and ten but also anthony davis Had a really strong game especially in the second half finished with twenty five points. Twelve rebounds score thirteen points in the Fourth quarter now. ad in lebron. Where three of nineteen from the floor in the first half before getting things on track in the second half they combined though fourteen for twenty two. La trail by thirteen at halftime or down by twelve midway through the third quarter before riot really back didn't take the lead until a few seconds into the fourth quarter cal coups mount layup. Put them up. Eighty one seventy nine game went back and forth but La figured out a way to get it done. And if you're golden state even with tonight's game yesterday. Kurt and talk about the three point Defense that they had was very good for the defense for state was good enough to not only beat the memphis grizzlies tonight but also to beat. The los angeles lakers the other night. But wonder you're turning the ball over with the frequency that the golden state warriors did the last two games. You're not winning anything. Especially when you're so limited on the offense of in terms of scoring options with the golden state warriors and in the showed. I don't know how many times can baseball to the wide open shots it but it's a situation. Where especially they're the end of the game as soon as steph curry cross half court double team double team. Here comes the double team at the logo. He would pass it on at the top of the key extended and he would try to swain and their recent action. There would be some movement by curry to get the ball back but everywhere he was going to three grizzlies were sure to follow him. Which gave excellent scoring opportunities for the jordan pools the injury wiggins and such but they couldn't put the ball in the basket with any type of frequency. So despite the fact that steph had thirty nine hard points. Going up against dillon brooks and others It wasn't enough because dream on is no longer a threat to score the basketball even though he hit a clutch three pointer left side extended to Get the warriors back to within one point in the overtime his shot at the end of the regulation that could have won the series or one game for the warriors that miss by green that running one hander was shot with no confidence in shot without the prior of going in. So this situation where you know. Golden state is pretty flawed team turning the ball over. Too much against the lakers steph in grim on turn the ball over a combined. Twelve times six turnovers each. They started the game very slowly because they were turning the ball over. And this game against the memphis grizzlies which allowed memphis to jump out to that big lead early midway through the first quarter so the golden state warriors were pretty flawed team. And i think it showed. I really did think it showed. So the los angeles lakers are moving in the beffa. Grizzlies unbelieving in the golden state. Warriors are moving out so yeah world sports. I'm your host window. Wallace glen that you could be with us interesting. Point though about the difference play in the tournament for the eastern and the western conference hearings playing him for the nba the favorites playing for the tournament in the western conference speaking the number seven seed in the number eight seed. The los angeles lakers the golden state warriors and subsequently the memphis grizzlies. They have a lot more to play for in terms of door going into the playoffs. In making some noise they have a lot more ambition. They have a lot more realistic chance of doing something than say. The winners of the eastern conference of your the los angeles lakers man. You designate the street like martha and the vandellas dancing on the ceiling. Like a rhino. Richie because then gonna be playing the phoenix suns and no disrespect to the phoenix suns. But they kind of remind me of the might booting holder lead atlanta hawks. When sixty games with josh moment and now horford in cal- korver great regular season but for the playoffs. They just didn't have experienced. It just didn't have the wherewithal to go up against the champion lebron james and the crew that he would leading in the battle when you're speaking about now for the first round of the nba playoffs in the western conference and speaking about phoenix suns. Going up against the los angeles lakers. You're speaking about a situation where he looked. Man devon booker had no playoff experience. The andre eytan playoff experience. The only playoff experience. Coming from the side of the phoenix. Suns is in jae crowder in chris. Paul don't going to be able to hold up. Two guys will the main guy. Chris paul on the leader being the guy who hasn't even played and the nba final. And now you're going to be playing against a team that is just all winning an nba championship the season. Before going up against guy. Lebron james who has been in the nba finals. I don't know how many years almost half his career six four and ba championships. So yeah if you're the lakers. Yeah one that's game plaguing game secure the number seven seed that the best case scenario. Everybody was talking about the lakers in the playoff game. What if what if. I was talking about that myself but it turned out to be more advantageous for him. Because what the number three seed in the western conference the denver nuggets and even though the nuggets are playing without jamal. Murray michael porter jr. had risen his game he'd become a beast the coal yokich is the mvp for damn good reason. The solid vp. Who was shown throughout the playoffs that he has the moxie that he has metals that he can rise to the occasion. So if we're taking a look at opposition for the lakers in the first round of the playoffs and i said that you can either have the phoenix suns or you can play the denver nuggets even again even without jamal. Murray out quite sure that most laker fans at youtube was saved many. Give me the phoenix suns. So this is a situation where it's like you give the brown a couple of days to arrest us ankles wednesday. I think the series against the suns. I don't know if the star saturday or sunday. I don't know but it gives him a couple of more days to rehab an ankle. Get that ankle better. Because he's still wasn't one hundred percent on it and He's good to go so now we're speaking about you know in the western conference. Playoff games means something. I don't think memphis has a great chance against the utah jazz. You can put brooks on a still rusty. Still getting over. His entry has been played since mid april donovan mitchell. But who's the stop. carol inca. Who's gonna stop mike. Connelly who's gonna stop jordan clarkston if your the memphis grizzlies end. You're coming off a two game battle. The game they had against tony was an absolute rock fight. Then you come in face the golden state warriors and that team on the road in overtime. And then you're going to go out to salt lake and then play the utah. Jazz doesn't look good as far game. One is concerned for the series. I was still playing the utah jazz in four or five games. But i still think here windows. Roll sports podcast. I'm your host one the wallace. I still think that the teams in the western conference that played in the playing games. The los angeles lakers and the memphis. Grizzlies the winner of that play in tournament. I think they have a much greater chance of moving forward in the eastern conference man. Everybody knows that the boston celtics don't have a chance to get the brooklyn nets and everybody knows that. The washington wizards my washington wizards. My beloved washington wizards over achieving after the first move of the season washington wizards don't have a chance against the philadelphia. Seventy sixers the equivalent of say college. The ncaa tournament march madness pleading game. No you have a team from the swaggie of a team from a team from the lower two divisions you have a team that is around five hundred they play in the playoff game and he winning their reward their pride for getting to play the top seeded team or one of the top teams in the tournament. Then they get blown up by forty and there was like damn was really worth it. That's what it feels like playing game for these teams in the eastern conference like her. Ray made it. Yeah yippee celebrate our reward for doing what we go up against the philadelphia seventy sixers and what we got to go up against hardened durant in irving in the in the first round of the of the playoffs. We don't have a shot. So you know i am now. I actually thought what in conference play in teams. Actually we have a better chance as i mentioned before so so we will go ahead and take a look at that. Other games for the most part of her take a look at games and the totality of the tournament. Yet you had memphis in san antonio yet you had memphis and golden state yet. You had los angeles in golden state but there were some duds indiana destroying charlotte. One forty four one. Seventeen lamelo ball hit experience. The spirit that he could use to catapult His expectations responsibilities for next year's team finished with fourteen points. Four rebounds in this postseason debut charlotte went forth when twelve forty from three point range of thanks for showing up seal later. Boston scored washington by twenty in the second half. Jason taylor scored fifty against the wizards in one eighteen. One hundred victories where fifty or fourteen thirty two shooting. Seventeen of seventeen from the free throw line in thirteen points in the second half end kemba walker chipped in with twenty nine points so after looking average against an average below. Average squad in the wizards the first half of the clean game baltin came out did what they needed to do. And moved on then washington Again went ahead and did what they need to do to beat the indiana pacers. Blue mountain blew him out very very well so again. I think this is a situation where the play in tournament is here to stay. It'll be interesting moving forward. The question moving forward how interesting. How interesting will people be. When you don't have teams like golden state warriors and the los angeles lakers playing. How interesting will it be. When you don't have superstars like lebron james and steph curry planing what. What's going to be happening the years where you have teams of the ilk of sacramento new orleans. Chicago orlando minnesota charlotte. Oh kc anybody gonna be dying. And begging the tandem of karl anthony towns and anthony edwards go up against zahn and and Lonzo ball he's still with the team in the upcoming season's anybody going to be desert in the streets and waiting with baited breath the watch the playing game between the co anthony led orlando magic versus the zach levine. Lead chicago bulls. you know. We'll see we'll see but far so good. As far as the playing games concerned it was success. Let's hope that they can think a little bit more outside the box to make it a little bit more intriguing but so far with this whole situation so far so good i india when the world is. I'm your host wonderwall so glad that you could be with us a lot of things to get down in disgust today this evening tonight whenever you're listening to this podcast in the world of sports recording this right after the golden state warriors memphis grizzlies. Risley's game memphis moving on but as an exciting overtime victory. The final contestant be placed in the nba playoffs happening guessing. About what was timeline. Who is about one thirty in the morning right down. So we're speaking about the first game being around the on. What eleven o'clock my time pacific standard time. So lot of stuff. I gotta do between them. I go ahead. I got a record. This podcast. I gotta go heads. Viking time gotta go ahead and get some snacks gotta go ahead and get some food. Been in mesquite for the entire week so because of that didn't go didn't do grocery shopping so i don't have nothing. I don't have any snacks. I don't have the meats that don't have any vegetables. I don't have any fruits. I don't have any kids that don't have anything for me to eat. So we're speaking about. Now what the game for the nba. The playoffs is going to be four games each day. Something like that so you got saturday. Sunday marathon starts baby the marathon. Start so i gotta go ahead and see what i can do about replenishing my fridge in my freezer so when these game going on i could have something to eat a kid really enjoy. I guess that's what food addictions all about the my case in terms of. I really can't enjoy something. Unless i'm eating something in terms of watching television program being on the internet doing something. I have to be occupied with something in terms of putting something in my mouth food wise in terms of for the enjoyment. So it's like. I can sit and watch basketball game. Football game definitely can't sit there and wanted to nine inning. Baseball game can't watch a sporting event. Can't watch any type of show on television can watch. Ufc fight can't watch a boxing match. Kid these things without having something there edible for me to eat whether it be. I don't know man whether it'd be chips. Soda fruit anything. I just need something to eat. When i'm watching this stuff. It adds to the joint of the experience of watching sports watching television so before the game starts. I'm gonna have to go ahead and see knew about getting something. I don't want to do any fast food. I don't want to do any of that. Bullshit i have to go ahead. It gets something before the game starts because once the games begin. I don't know which game kicks off the nba season playoff season. But i want to be rowing ready to go to a go ahead watching basketball so if you're speaking about the first round in the nba. The eastern conference was speaking about the washington wizards versus the philadelphia. Seventy sixers the boston celtics boston celtics versus the brooklyn. Nets the miami heat going up against the milwaukee bucks the atlanta hawks vs your new york knicks. So those are the matchups for the first round of the nba. Playoffs the best. Four out of seven. So when you get to speak in about the storylines for the eastern conference the playoff storylines for that conference. We have to start off with the brooklyn nets right. Those are the. That's the team. Which has the most the most height the most glamour. The most attraction most attention. That's going to bring in the attention of the non nba diehard fans. When speaking about these newest super team with kevin durant kyrie irving james harden so basically when you take a local brooklyn many of them many experts many opinions many those who know the game of basketball insiders speaking about the brooklyn nets being the favorites to not only get to the nba championship. Not only to win the eastern conference but to go ahead and win the nba championship. The story line ongoing to dig out storyline. I'm willing to create from this regarding the brooklyn nets. Basically can a-team. Mike brooklyn unconventionally win a championship. Because if you really think about if you think about teams who have won championship that you think about teams especially team. That works considered super. Tnt teams. were superstars have been put together so quickly especially if their initial run as that group has been a mixed bag with some of the things that were speaking about. Here is the fact that these guys when you speaking about teams that have been very successful for the super teams that have been put together that these teams at least during the regular season that got a chance to play with each other and get to know one another in terms of what they do on the court building chemistry building acknowledgement building. Some type of synergy with each other. You take a look safer I guess the first super tune of the modern era the two thousand seven eight boston celtics one sixty six sixteen and one of them be a championship. When you take a look at the players on that team that we're the quote unquote core of that superclub. Paul pierce kevin garnett m. That sees paul. Pierce played eighty games. Kevin garnett played seventy one game korea when played seventy three games so it gives them. I you know a lot of times you get to know one another on the court what the tendencies are what their weaknesses are. Were they like this where they like that you bring kendrick perkins you bring regime rondo. Due to around that core. You bringing their pg brown at least season. Pick up in that team with roy and ready to go. Be kobe pau. Gasol sales guys in the nba finals. The celtics for the first time when the longest were the nba champions. But one of the keys to that team was done only them playing very good defense but also the ability for those guys to learn each other playing with each other during the regular season. The that joe to get them mixed to get their chemistry to get that understanding of those guys playing with each other and then by the time the playoffs hit. They were rip roy ready to go to capture that championship. So when you speaking about teams like the celtics when you're speaking about teams like the two thousand ten two thousand eleven miami heat who yesterday lost in the finals to the dallas mavericks but one of the things that was on the positive side for the miami heat with the fact that lebron that season played seventy nine games delayed played seventy six games. Chris bosh play seventy seven game so it was a situation where that was a roller coaster of a ride. That season for the miami heat. They started off slowly but the more they played with each other the more that they became attuned to which to which what those guys were doing they became stronger as unit even though they finished number two in the eastern conference number two seed in the eastern conference between behind them. The number one. Derrick rose tom typical lead chicago bulls. They were able to go ahead and make it to the nba finals Mainly possibly hopefully because of the of games that those guys played together in got to know one another. When you're speaking about the twenty twenty one brooklyn nets a team that finished forty eight and twenty four and you know to be determined what the outcome is going to be. In terms of their playoff success. There was no chemistry. Built between. James harden kyrie irving in kevin durant none. Now give it up for terry irving. You're be speaking about which one of those guys who's going to be missing the most another time. I guess you probably say kevin durant because he was coming off of mris because of the phillies tendon. But for the most part curry irving is not the guy that you will be considered considered an iron man for all the quirkiness and for all the personal days of all the time. The way that the kyrie irving took season out of those three guys durant harden and himself kyrie irving plate seventy five percent of those games. He played fifty four of the seventy five games James harden played in thirty six games. Kevin durant played in thirty five games. So you're speaking about the amount of time that the rent harden in irving play together the season. Now the seventy two games they. We played in eight games. Eight games so we'll that lack of playing time together hurt them when they played in the second round against the possibly milwaukee bucks or the miami heat or in the eastern conference finals. They get to that point by blaming the philadelphia seventy sixers the fewest games championship teams top. Three scores have played together in the regular season ten. That was the two thousand. Two thousand one los angeles lakers. They played just ten games together when you speak about kobe. Bryant shaquille o'neal and derek fisher. Derek fisher is no james harden gigolo neil kevin durant kobe bryant james harden when you take a look at that trio different role different responsibilities different strengths different weaknesses and when you speak speaking about two thousand and two thousand and one. La laker team. That blew out the philadelphia. Seventy sixers the georgetown. Allen iverson led philadelphia. Seventy sixers with larry brown eric snow and erin mckeown decay mutombo also from georgetown university. When speak about that. La team that won that championship that year. They won a couple of championships before kobe. And shaq had been playing together since nineteen ninety six ninety seven somewhere around there so this wasn't a situation and derek fisher came in that same draft that kobe bryant was drafted by the the by by the los angeles lakers. So we're we're speaking about a situation where these guys have played with each other for years so the fact that they only played in ten games during the regular season really didn't meet as much. If you're going to compare that to what the brooklyn nets are going through. Because as i mentioned before they won championships. They have been through the tough times. They've been through. The ups and downs have gotten to know each other at least on the court. Kobe would never gonna pass. The ball fisher. Going to be the mature in one shot was going to be the one who dominate on the inside. That's not the case with the brooklyn nets. This is the situation where yeah katie. Irving and james harden played eight hundred seventy two games but this isn't a situation where they've been playing for the brooklyn nets for the past three or four years and won championships little bit different in fact a lot different so basically can a team that it plays so little when the championship and also for the nets trying to buck conventional wisdom on how the win a championship the explaining it here on windows world henceforth sports. The podcast which your one to wallace kill the team. That basically doesn't play any defense or the place very little defense or plays very mediocre defense. Kim a defensive team that doesn't play great defense. Can they go ahead with a championship. The super teams that. I just mentioned the boston. Celtics play very good defense. The lakers had always played very defense. The miami heat would wait and the lebron. They play very good defense. They were a defensive minded team killer team. The new jersey nets who basically are just going to try to outscore people. Kim that lead to them winning a championship. People might point to while the golden state warriors. I mean they were a team that unconventionally championship because remember before those guys speaking the warriors got honor. Roll of one a couple of championships. The argument for them not willing was the fact that. Hey you're jump. Shooting team cannot wanna championship. Forget jump shooting jump shooting team that relies on the three point shot with the range that clay clay in steph was shooting from a backward of that ilk backward with that strengthening we outside shooting three point shooting range. They can't win a championship. Well number one. They bug that because they had the greatest shooting back court of all time off the mark jackson for bringing that up years before that became a formality before that became by absolute. But also dealing with me. Colonel teeny you're also dealing with the guy and steph curry who is the greatest shooter of all time and you're also going with the notion that the golden state warriors of that time period of that dynasty of the championship run. They played very good. Dinners klay thompson with the very good defender. Adriana dollar was a very good defender Show olympics did was a very good defender draymond green. What a very good defender. So these guys had these guys had guys on their team players on their teams. Who played very good defense. Rod adams was one of the assistant coaches who was very good with defense. Mike brown was a defensive defensive minded coach when he came over after luke. Walton left to costa lakers might brown came over as an assistant coach with the golden state. Warriors and steve current staff at that time and he brought him his principles of defense. When he was a coach with the cleveland cavaliers. Lebrons i go around with the cavaliers. There will always known as a very strong defensive unit so the emphasis was always accurate in terms of the warrior. Saying we're going to concentrate on being a very good defensive team in the had the personnel to go ahead and accomplish that feat with the brooklyn nets. that's not the case but kevin durant with a coming off a torn achilles. You're you're not going to be asking him to be a defensive stalwart. Kyrie irving has never been a defensive player. James harden just go back to youtube and you can see his lack of prowess lack of attention lack of caring lack of trying lack of attention to detail when it comes to playing defense now with his situation changed because of him being on the brooklyn nets no longer with the rockets. His offensive responsibilities are not as great being with brooklyn than it was when he was with. Houston winning the excuse. That people used to give they when they tried to explain. Why james harden very very rarely play any type of defense. They stayed because of its offense responsibilities. He saving himself for the job that he had to do on the offense aside the ball. Well that's not the case now. The next and there hasn't been renewed interest and james harden to play a little bit better defense. But still we're not speaking about a guy who all of a sudden is going to turn himself into a lesser version of tony allen. James harden has always going to be a poor defender. Kyrie irving is always going to be a poor defender. Kevin durant is going to be inadequate defender but never going to be accused of being a defensive stopper. So when you're talking about a nets team that give it up one hundred and twenty points at least twenty two times brooklyn down and thirteen in those games. Finishing with the league's ninth worst defensive rating. Can those guys with that defensive. Lack of defensive prowess win themselves a championship. Can they win an nba championship outscoring. Everybody in winning basketball games. One thirty four to one twenty five one forty six to one thirty eight or at the very least one eighteen to one thirteen. So those are some of the things that the storylines will be written for. The brooklyn nets won. The world is sports on your host wallace so glad that you could be with us. Moving onto some of the story lines about eastern conference teams tournament. Championships mentioned the brooklyn nets. I think that they're going to be the leading stars. I think they're going to be the folks who are going to be getting. The most attention in terms of interest in what team is going to come out of the eastern conference and try to win that nba the championship number. One as i mentioned the brooklyn nets number. Two the milwaukee bucks the milwaukee bucks. This is not right or die. This is not blow up. This is not you know you know ramifications that are going to be immeasurable. If the milwaukee bucks for instance lose to the the brooklyn nets might be if they lose to the miami heat but if they lose safer for a tightly fought siri to the brooklyn nets. I don't think this put us in a situation that'll take. This puts the milwaukee franchises in a situation where they have to do something drastic. Really if you think about the milwaukee bucks doing anything drastic. I think they did that last season when they made the move of. Jerusalem drew holiday where they made the move this Season and get themselves. The pj tucker. I think it was the knowledge of janas wanting to be committed to the milwaukee bucks for the short term future when he signed a supermax five year deal. So i think in that situation the chances for going left when it should have been going right. I think that will take care of when aid. Jaanus signed the contract extension. Signed the supermax so we would be dealing with an entire year of what young. It's going to do what you're gonna do. What does the milwaukee bucks need to do if anything to try to convince Honest he's the guy that this is the team that this is the franchise for him to outside the supermax with this is a situation where they got rid of one of their biggest weaknesses especially when the playoffs comes around and eric bledsoe traded him to the new orleans pelicans they got themselves holiday. A major upgrade in that situation another year of playing with each other so moving into the playoffs now again if they lose a tight series to the brooklyn nets a team with three superstars and many people prognosticating that they're going to win the nba championship. I don't think it's time for milwaukee to be my god. What are we gonna do. Craig ellis. Don't think anything like that but this is a situation where the box have a very good chance of getting to the nba finals. And they've been to the conference finals. They been to the semifinals It's time to take that next step. Now they finished the season number three in the eastern conference behind brooklyn and philadelphia finished with a forty six and twenty six record despite the fact that they were record wise. they weren't as good seating wise. They weren't as good as they were the previous two seasons when they went sixty and twenty two and fifty six seventeen. This is the better team natural. This is a better team with holiday on the team. They're more built to do something in the playoffs than they were the last couple of seasons where they were mainly a regular season team drew. Holidays met you before major upgrade in the playoffs over eric bledsoe has the ability from the defensive standpoint. This guy can guard point guards. Judy versus ball forward provides scoring the average eighteen points. A game this past season in clutch in important moments. I think that he's going to be a major upgrade over. Eric bledsoe the fact that area blood-soaked couldn't even play that he didn't even goerner trust to get on the court during crunch time. Make play the fact that they second-stringer was on the floor for milwaukee. During crunch time that is relegated that has taken away because now you slide holiday in there and then only is he going to be able to play really good defense now. Only it's going to be able to make a clutch shot Not only is he to be able to Do something maybe get evolved. If during crunch time he drives down the lane he goes to the middle and it gets to the rim. he's going to set something up for somebody else. This is also a situation where i think the rule holiday is hungry to get back in the playoffs and make some noise in the do some things. So there's gonna be some extra motivation in extra passionate intensity throw milwaukee's because you're going to have somebody who's going to be a really good two way player in these playoffs in jrue holiday. Pj tucker acquired this season provide toughness corner. Three point shooting playoff experience. I think that in terms of you know banging on the inside. He could take a little bit of that pressure off of someone like y'all is take some pressure off of someone like a brook lopez who is not known for his physicality in that sense i think. Pj tucker can be a valuable asset during the playoffs. That way Jaanus you still speaking about a cornerstone top four plan. Then the cuco finished top four in the league. This season in terms of it'll be. Pm my opinion if you go ahead. -an markham label them number rem yokich nicola yokich number one joe album beat number two steph curry number three and then after that i would probably put in jaanus. Didn't have statistically as great of a season as he did on the previous to Mvp's but he was still pretty potent. He was still that guy. Who was that franchise player now. Moving into the playoffs. Let's see what you can do to elevate his game more. I thought but during the season that youngest improve the three point shooting a lot. I think the confidence in him taking it really wish he would get a mid range game really wished he would be able to be more confident the pull up and maybe shoot that seventeen seventeenth nineteen footer. Relying always thinking about. If i can't get to the rim that i'll go ahead. Seems like can do the top of the key extended three. But i liked the confidence. I see a little bit more improvement in that three point shot. He's never going to be steph. Never gonna be k. D. he's never going to excel at that That that skill in terms of shooting a three point shot but just he'd gotten to the point now where you know you have to somewhat kind of respected and just somewhat kagan respecting three point shot by kupu then gives him the advantage of going to the lane with his eurostepped with the dipsy dudes and duncan rules and getting to the line where hopefully during the playoffs he can improve on three put three throw shooting also so with walkie bucks and it's you know it's go time. Chris middleton is equal to be able to step up which guide is going to be the number two guy to jaanus. Who's going to be the second tier score the past two failures in the playoff by playoffs. By milwaukee bucks. Chris middleton has not stepped up the way you should be khris. Middleton is a guy who's also getting a max deal he's not getting a supermax deal but he's the guy that slotted into be taking care of the responsibilities of being that number two guy in the playoffs if you're is going to go ahead and get twenty nine and seventeen and seven as far as the stat line is concerned middleton needs to be up there somewhere between twenty two twenty eight points a game as far as scoring concern. He needs to be the go-to guy on the teams. Come to concentrate. All of their attention on janas. He needs to be the guy step up he needs to be discarded. Peppy honest michael jordan. He needs to be the kareem to magic johnson when. They're speaking about that list duo he needs to be go. Dwayne wade lebron james. He needs to be the tarry irvington. Lebron james the second time that he went back to cleveland and the last two times in the playoffs especially when we're speaking about the series two years ago in the eastern conference finals against the toronto raptors and then last year in the playoffs against the milwaukee bucks middleton playing. That role was inconsistent at best. The walk is going to move forward. Not only getting path brooklyn nets. Hell getting past the miami heat who had been a bugaboo side. Especially if you go back and take a look at last. Season's playoffs in the bubble middleton is going to have to be that guy because a if they lose. Some things are going to be happening. Far culture gets concerned with coach. Bud i'll get into that in the next segment. Wendell role the sports. I'm your host wonderwall so glad that you to be with us speaking about breaking down taking a look giving my opinions about what's happening in the eastern conference in the nba playoffs. Starting i say own about eight or nine hours from now. The new york knicks are back in the playoffs. they're going to host the atlanta hawks. This weekend it'll be the first time since twenty twelve thirteen season that the knicks will be in the playoffs. Tom typical has done themselves done himself an awesome job. You put him right up there with a quincy. Put him up there. With steve nasty. Put him up there with the money. Williams as coaches you up with nick mcmillan coaches who have done a fabulous job in terms of the coaching concerned. He's right up there and then he leaked classed class the season for the knicks. You know everybody talks about the atlanta hawks. Lack of experience trae young. Never been in the big game. John collins never been the beginning. These guys have never been a big game. i think you look at the totality of the rosters. When comparing the knicks roster in the atlanta hawks roster in terms of playoff experience. I think the edge would go to the atlanta hawks okay. Trae young has not played in any significant gains as far as The postseason is concerned. But clint capella has denied going going on has played in the playoffs before many players on that hawks team where there's enough players on that hawks team that have had playoff experience over a team like the new york knicks. Where you're speaking about the only guys on that team speaking of new york who have had playoff experienced you speaking about Nerlens noel completed twelve postseason contests reggie bullock had appeared in four. And in you have. Derrick rose and then you have touch gibson the fall back on when you need it for playoff experience. Who are in that rotation. So i think this is going to be a huge advantage for either squad. In terms of playoff. Experience is concerned and when speaking about the core player. When you speak about the franchise player when you speak about the mvp when you're speaking about the most valuable player for each franchise trae young for atlanta julius randle for the knicks. Both of those guys don't have any playoff experience so you want to go ahead and make that comparison to see which team would have the advantages to wash because randall in his. What eight or nine years in the nba. He's never been in the playoffs in trae young twenty two years old young career. He's never been in the playoffs. So this is going to be a new venture for both those guys. So in that in that Comparison it's definitely a wash. You take a look at the regular season games. Between the hawks in the next dick dominated. The hawks swept them three. Oh and the series season series new york one these three contests by an average of about nine points per game. The closest beat five point victory their first meeting the other. Two were a double digit victories. By the next buddy man. This is a whole. This is a whole new situation going into the playoffs right now. The atlanta hawks date mcmillan's. I mentioned before. After taking over from lloyd pierce at the coach when twenty seven eleven that the third best record in the league right behind the number two and number one. Oh my goodness gracious. It wasn't utah. One was phoenix in the. I forgot what the other one was. Basically millan guy. Who did they fabulous job in molding that team and giving them some type of defensive mindset trae young it's never going to be known as the defensive stalwart but at least undertake mcmillan. Unlike lloyd pierce. He's actually trying his floater. Game beauty the watch. He's not relying on steph curry type three point shots with range anymore. You know he's gotten that. Elevate marshall not say that he's still doesn't take those but i remember the first two seasons that he played he was doing his best to try to imitate steph curry and those long three point shot to say. Whatever you can do steph. I could do better and shoot it from longer-distance now with macmillan at the helm i think there's more fluidity i think there's more diversity to trae young's game. I think there's more majority there with trae young's game with vice that he's including more of his teammates now especially when getting clunk capella in good positions to score. I'll pick and rolls and doing other things. John collins now and found his role changed his attitude in terms of him. Wanting to be traded by the hawk's these situated into a place where he can do some things and he can be productive and he can be a positive influence for that team. Clint cappella the rim-protector. Great finisher at the rim. Better free throw shooting than he was with the houston rockets. I think that he provides some really good insight interior presents for the atlanta hawks and actually had a couple of months. he's actually developed a few back to the basket moves now. Don't get me wrong. He ain't kim. Mikhail wilt chamberlain and he ain't tim duncan but he's not as he's not as deficient in the back to the bhakti game as he was his first couple of years with houston. We're all he was doing with catching la passes and finishing at the rim off passes from james harden so the the atlanta hawks. I mean in this first round against the new york knicks. Look i know that the tv executives and i know that the nba wanted to see the next door as far as possible doesn't mean as and try to say before he got fined. Twenty five thousand dollars. That doesn't mean that the referees nothing you know untoward nothing nefarious. There's no cheating. There's no situations like that. but you know what. If we can get a semi-final we could get some type of brooklyn nets versus new york knicks. Contest the playoffs. You don't think that would be great for the. You don't think that would be great for tv ratings. You don't think that would be great for the interest of the game. of course would of course it would. so yeah would you rather see moving on atlanta or the new york knicks if you're the nba if you're the tv execs if you're the advertisers of course you want to see your next move on but the atlanta hawks are going to have something to say about that and they have the team and they have the coach in. They have the opportunity to do so. Stop julius randle would be a good idea. Because during the regular season julius absolutely torched the atlanta hawks averaging thirty seven points twelve rebounds seven assists in the three regular season games and he had to forty plus games against them. So whether it'd be quick cappella. John colin deondraye hunter frente garden. One of those guys is going to have to slow him down. So this a those are just some of the Those are just some ably storylines in the first round of the playoffs. Look for the philadelphia. Seventy sixers hold on a second against sneeze bless you. Excuse me. Thank you for the philadelphia. Seventy sixers really not gonna know too much in the first round against the My washington wizards with bradley beal suffering from a hamstring injury. The wizards don't play good enough. Defense daniel gaffer has been a nice revelation the trade the tommy sheppard made to bring gathered over to the squad but i mean what she has to the what chances him and lynn have against joel embiid in the first round of the playoffs. Oh i'll give you the answer to that none one so look for him be to dominate. Embiid has been in a one dominate mode. Now going to help the wizards the fact that i think Embiid is going to be playing with a chip on his shoulder. Not only because gonna feel disrespected. Even though he shouldn't that he was the mvp nicola. Yokich someone who plays the same position as him is going to be an mvp warded hardwood. He's gonna be finishing runner up. So i think there's going to be a chip on his shoulder Dealing with that. And i think that's all point out in one of the players that need to step up and change the narrative about themselves as far the basketball players concerned. I also think that embiid is going to be on a mission to show that he's a champion that the dominant big man and the way that you solidify that Perception of yourself is to go ahead and be dominant when it counts the most now than the regular season game and golden state were kevon looney garden here. But i'm talking about cavani. Scooby kvant looney gardner. I'll speaking about alien be a playoffs. When is winning time. So what. The embiid. Against the wizards go. He's going to eat them alive. So yeah no need for me to really go on about that series as far at the series starting Pretty soon so there you go. The eastern conference in the nutshell in a nutshell as we get to the western conference. The first round of those matchups isn't going to be. Well what we're speaking about the memphis grizzlies against the utah jazz. When we're speaking about the lakers versus the phoenix suns when we're speaking about the denver nuggets versus the who do denver go me. Playing denver is going to be playing the portland trailblazers. When we're speaking about the dallas mavericks playing the los angeles clippers one. We're speaking about who's going to win. Who's going to advance. Who are going to be the favorites. One of the story lines. One of the interesting story lines. Who the main star. Who the guy that everybody be focusing on. Who's going to be getting the most attention who's going to be getting the most headlines glee. Be getting the most buzz. Who's going to be getting the most comparisons the michael jordan. You know who it is. You know who we're talking about. You know who the star of the show is you know who the face of the places. It's the same old sol. Hey wait a minute. Let's lo q saw world in sports. I'm your host to wonder but so glad that you could be with us a lot of things to get down on and discussed today in. The world of sports says the nba are happening. It's the same old song but where the different meanings into yuming don at. Oh i i'm not trump to the western conference. Should i sing it to your sentimental fools. In my first round match ups are the memphis grizzlies versus the utah jazz. Los angeles lakers versus the phoenix suns. The denver nuggets in the portland. Trailblazers the dallas mavericks versus the los angeles clippers storylines. Everybody gathered around. Come up here please. Thank you very much. Mr wallace talking with the wallace is educating. Mr wallace's pontificating wallis is being opinionated nail about exactly what storylines can we come up with concerning the western conference. What are we going to be talking about. Are we gonna be talking about memphis and utah. We're gonna be talking about denver in portland or louisville talking about dallas in los angeles witch series. Which series should we be talking about. One of the main storylines. What are these things that we should be talking about. Yes of course if it's the nba. You know that centers around the one. The only lebron james the los angeles lakers vs the phoenix suns As the first round matchup of choice to speak about for the most part the number seventy lakers are. The favorites should be favorites against the number. Two seed phoenix suns reasons. Why l. a. Our favorite to win the series will. Of course you have two players on the court with championship experience championship pedigrees. We just speaking about the lakers. Lebron james still one of the most impactful players in the league and the greatest winter in most pe Playoff experience of any player. That still in the league right now. Speaking about the speaking about. Anthony davis the x factor in terms of the phoenix suns. Have absolutely no answer for if he's been dominated against them during the regular season moving into the playoffs down. Some of the knicks in bruises in the in the is ease in the scratches and the bites in the clause that have caught them to be slowing down just a little bit in the regular season we speaking about the achilles that made him miss a missing A good chunk of games when you're speaking about back injury that's all gone. That's all subsided. For the most part now you speak about it after the davis Being the guy that can be that player that can be the number two guy teams that won a championship. As still as you have. Lebron james now. Jane's against phoenix. The season played in one of three regular season games and get the sun's march fourth seeming. More second a home game against phoenix. Where the suns lost austin the sons one issue one. Fourteen one oh. Four devon booker was ejected from the game but lebron had thirty eight points. Sixteen to twenty four shooting five rebounds six assists in thirty eight minutes played. doesn't match before he's not he's not one hundred percent is still looks like he's hobbling. Looks like he's not going to be able to go. Full bore now with a couple of days off. Who knows how much better that equals gonna feel. I know that he was only minute. Restrictions against the golden state warriors which was ignored near the end that the game. I became a lot more contested but still just just the notion. Just the thought of the fact that lebron is going to be some on some type of minute restrictions or holding him back Might cause somewhat of a detrimental situation for the lakers. But then again he's still lebron james even at sixty sixty five percent even at the ability that he is right now you get him thirty two to thirty five minutes a game. He's going to have a huge outcome as huge impact on the game. And as i mentioned before. Anthony davis through minor annoying. Injuries seem to be getting better every game against phoenix. No-one batch up with him not just offensively but also defensively. The last game. That ellie played again phoenix effect. Which was on may ninth a home game. Without lebron the lakers one. One twenty three to one ten. David scored forty two points. Grabbed twelve rebounds had five assists three steals three blocks in forty minutes. Dominant performance You Who if you're if you're rob phoenix. Who who pull up their against them now. The main thing was phoenix. People are talking about playoff experience. Playoff experience playoff experience. Yeah that's true but more for me than just playoff experience. It's also talent match up in who's to be able to guard who who was not gonna be able to guard. Who playoff experience. Doesn't i don't care you could bring in a guy with the most playoff experience in the world. If he's not going to be able to guard anybody what good is he and with. Anthony davis it. Got the fact that the andre eight never played in the playoff series. It's not the fact that You know in mikhail. Bridges played in the playoff experience. At the fact that anthony davis is just a bad fit for them. It's just a bad match for them. Has nothing to do with playoff. Experience came in deondraye. Eytan could have won the nba championship. Each time. he's been in the league. He's still going to have problems against anthony. Davis anybody on phoenix's squad is going to have problems guarding anthony davis because why anthony davis is real damn good at playing basketball and when you're six eleven and do the things that he could do. Which one of the reason why he was supposed to be this. Generation's tim duncan two point. No he's now an nba champion. That's a hard match up for anybody but especially a team like the phoenix suns so throughout all the inexperience experiences forward playoff situations are concerned. Anthony davis is just a bad match. When i take a look at the series. And i take a look at the lakers. Being led by lebron going to playoff series. Two one thing that comes to mind with me. I take a look at the braun. Taking a look at the playoff series. I take a look at the opponent. And i'm wondering now. This laker team wasn't team. Even with anthony davis. I don't think that there. They were as good as the teams that lebron had in cleveland where they were one in two in the nba finals against the golden state warriors. So i don't think maybe this comparison might be apt. But anyway. Because i don't give a fuck the fact that i wonder if the braun take the lookin. The phoenix suns. Any treated them with the same respect that he gave the toronto raptors when he was in cleveland. Remember when i believe. It was cleveland while toronto took a two one lead in their eastern conference finals semi finals or something like that. What are the years that That the toronto raptors. I think they made it to the eastern conference finals. Lowery and damara rosen dwayne. Casey was still the coaches. Those guys this bite beyond Had a great deemed three and the raptors will up to the one in the series in the lebron brown about it and he's was in and basically his response was look some dire playoff situations before the same one of them so basically he kind of brushed off the toronto raptors during the time. I wonder not saying level duchy. Have that same regard for the phoenix suns. So lebron you know. They've got chris. Paul devon booker. You know he's turning into a really good player. The eaten is the man in the middle and bridges of the three indeed player and they've got playoff experience with A playoff experience with a jae. Crowder in you know. They got johnson coming off the bench. You can shoot from the outside and you know they got dahlia storage. Shchukin provides the versatility from the front court position. Money williams done an excellent job at the coach. That that lebron there listening to all this been saying. Yeah i've been tough playoff situations. And i play the top playoff series before at this. Ain't gonna be one of them i. I'm just wondering now. The bron- is not the same player that he was when he was so boldly making those statements regarding toronto now than he was back then and as i mentioned before i don't think he has a kevin love to compliment him as a third star like he did when he was with cleveland. So i think again. That cleveland team was better than this. Los angeles team in the competition made him make a statement with the confidence of knowing that he could back it up now with this one though he has a better second running mate did with cleveland. Because i think at this point in time. Anthony davis was better as a better psychic for lebron than kyrie irving was for the bronx back when abroad and kyrie and kevin love doing their thing in cleveland but I still think the makeup of the lakers team and again taking a look at the phoenix suns team. That level of this is gonna be you know. I've been tough series. This ain't going to be one of them when those world is sports. I'm your host wonder wallace so glad that you could be with us so a lot of people now are saying well. Let's done deal. Fatal culturally in terms of the lakers moving forward in the first round of the playoffs against the phoenix suns. The sons who have surprised everybody who has overachieved to the hilt and getting the number two seed in the western conference for the playoffs to start. Is it fair. No fair but guess. What life isn't fair. The fact that they had such marvelous season they had such a surprising season. But they were the over achievers of the years in accomplished so many things that wonderful season down there for phoenix in their reward. Their prize is to play. The los angeles lakers the defending champions with lebron. James and anthony davis in the first round of the playoffs. Seriously that's my congrats. that's my boy. That's my way to go the play those guys so everybody is falling on say everybody a lot of people a lot of prognosticators. A lot of folks. You know what they're talking about. A lot of folks will follow. The league closely are relying on that daredevil relying on stare at the storyline that. Hey you know what lakers defending champs care of number seven seed phoenix. Later my question to you though. How much are we. Overrating the lakers in underrating the sense because look la far from being an elite championship team at this time. Okay the lakers for the majority of that play in game one. Stay against golden state. They were outplayed. It took an improbable. Some say lucky check. Cj mccollum twitter feed improbable lucky shot with shot clock running down to be to beat a very flawed golden state team at home we saw that with golden state playing memphis that golden state were not the rule. Beaters that we we thought they were. And when i say beatles let me put that in proper context the fact that if golden state would have gotten into the playoffs somehow they will you know really made some noise because of how great stephens and the way the drain mom was playing and the fact that they have championship pedigree and all these things. Golden state showed us not only the loss to the los angeles lakers on wednesday. But then few hours ago in the laws against the memphis grizzlies that this was a very flawed team. So a team like the lakers. Who had so much trouble at home. Beating them in taking a buzzer beating. Thirty six foot shot by lebron to bail them out and the game where you can make a strong argument that the golden state warriors what. They're turnovers in their lack of paying attention to detail really took defeat from the jaws of victory and gave the lakers an opportunity for them. When you can make the argument that that's going to be. The los angeles lakers team. Let's show up against the phoenix suns team for these playoffs wider. How are we assuming that this is gonna be a series where going to be winning in five or six games. The broncos far from being over the ankle injury andre drummond mantras herro war workless against golden state. Dennis schroder didn't play well at all. Now maybe because of the andre eytan that the next series that drummond inherit early get more opportunities to match. Matchups weren't very conducive for the lakers. To go ahead and have andre drummond in mantras herald played major minutes against the warriors on wednesday now with a traditional big for the phoenix suns. You're to expect to see. Auntie drumming mantras herald get more playing time even though when the shit hit the shiloh during crunch time that you was. Anthony davis play the center position. But what i mean. La won that game with defense sloppy secular play from golden state. Timely basket the Shout you that. They're going to run roughshod over phoenix. If you take a look at the way. Phoenix played the season. That doesn't look like a team. That was going to be now. Maybe the situation. Where again the lakers. Having more time to rest the lakers again having more time to get healthy again the lakers playing a different opponent altogether in terms of using some of their parts that could be that Improve their chances improved the way that they look Against golden state and maybe people are of the assumption of that maybe people are reading too much into the lack of playoff experience that the phoenix suns have. All of the things might be true but while unpicking the los angeles lakers to win the series. I think that for those who are laughing off the notion that this could be a very competitive game or berry very competitive series. I think wrong. I think this is going to be very competitive series. I do think In game seven or a tightly contested game. Six that the lakers will go ahead and win but again. I think those who think it's just no big deal that this is just a you know. This is going to be an easy victory series win for the lakers. I think are underestimating. The phoenix suns and overestimating. The los angeles lakers windows rolled in sports. I'm your host wonderwall. Wallis glad that you could be with us. Take a look at the team from the lakers. You you've got lebron. Of course you've got anthony davis of course who's be the third guy of the lakers. Who are we looking at here is going to be. Schroeder is going to be kyle. Kuzma isn't gonna be. Casey p is going to be crucial. Is he. going to be andre drummond. Who was gonna step up for. The lakers in provide anywhere between fifteen and nineteen points per game during the phoenix suns series. Who do you have confidence in. Oh and by the way in. also it's also going to be able to do something in terms of Dealing with the offense the player four feet phoenix. Who are we speaking about here. Where can they find consistent offense from third player in also three point shooting. Anthony davis is equal to half the pull up a stat line. A forty two fifteen seven three two to every single night to get the thing done. Lebron have to be hobbling. Have to be pushing that ankle injury in terms of going forward in terms of what he needs to do because cal koonce book hit a shot because dennis routers playing the turning the ball over too much and that guarding anybody who was going to be. That guy is going to be continuous pope. Are you really going to be putting your your hopes and your dreams and the alice caruso being third best player like he was against golden state on the basis for the lakers to overcome and beat the feed accents. Is that what you're counting on. Who who else we've seen the calculus but can do that on a consistent basis. I was thinking. Dennis schroder shooters average thirteen points per game the season but he was ineffective against golden state on wednesday now following when. You're having guard steph curry steph curry to make anybody look foolish. But still schreuder has been up and down had been inconsistent recently in calcutta's bump while he's averaging thirteen points per game. I'm not. I'm not looking for him to be that third score. I'm not looking for him to be that third guy. I'm not looking for him to be back girl. If anthony davis is going to be robin and lebron is going to be batman even though it would be kind of a gender confusion if cal kupa was bad bad girl what what we say here alfred with to throw alfred the butler whatever but basically what. What is it going to be in with the issues. A three point shooting with the lakers. Hey look. la is ranked twenty fifth in three pointers made per game and the twenty first of the league in three point. shooting percentage. Okay shells here. Man when the lakers are shooting making fewer than ten three pointers per game. They're twelve and eleven their thirty nineteen a make ten or more three pointers. So who's going to be that guy who can consistently beta three point shot. It ain't gonna be lebron. Ain't gonna be. Anthony davis it ain't gonna be calcutta's ma ain't going to be alice caruso. Tv's caldwell-pope might be that guy. Maybe ben mclemore maybe shooter. Who's been you know streakish in terms of hitting three point shots the break glass and bring in taylor horton tucker matthew. Does he get more time. I mean he was. He provided some really good clean. Diesel against the golden state warriors the other night unlimited minutes. But about how much are we gonna be able to play with massey's or hgh or ben. Latin macklemore differ being able to make shots because they still have to go down. There's still have to guard devon booker. They still have the guard mckay bridges. They still have to guard chris. Paul on the court. So how much are you going to be. Trading defensive toughness defensive efficiency for the ability to make the three point shot. I think vogel while in tuned in to important for each three point shooting and defense. I think he's he's calling card. Has its hat set on defense. So the comes down between pulling someone who could make a three point shot or someone who can guard devon booker more efficiently gonna slide on the defensive side in terms of someone who can trust who you can trust a little bit more. What does that mean for wes. Matthews minutes. What does that mean for. Ben mac minutes. What does that mean for. Talent horton tucker's minutes. So those are things man those are. The things are moving forward with the lakers. The outside shooting the health. The spotty play at points and the a- i mentioned the three point shooting and who's going to be the third guy who's gonna be that third guy at frank vogel can rely on one those world sports. I'm your host window wallace so glad that you could be with us. Speaking about what's happening in the western conference playoffs that going to be starting in a few hours here. Mainly speaking about the los angeles lakers series against the phoenix suns. Now the sons are playing in their first. Playoff series is eleven years who will thought that roberts server that clown of an owner of an nba basketball team. Put himself in a position to where he would have this team and they would be in this position much leadership from chris. Paul and the overall talent negate the lack of playoff experience. As i mentioned before. Sometimes i think we get too bogged down to thinking about over estimating the importance of playoff experience. If you got talent you can play if you got some major league talent. You can play and don't negate. Chris paul's playoff experience as well. You know no big deal chris. Paul sixteen years into the league. He seen it all and why don't think he's been an mvp of the league type of player. I think he has been the most valuable players of the league. If you're speaking about the definition of an mvp and your definition is what. He brings to the team his importance to the team. While i think that situation chris paul is definitely top. Five for what he's brought to the phoenix suns the way that he's groomed the nurtured and brought along deondraye eytan devon booker this cutler team to place where they are right now of chris paul. In the sixteen year sixteenth year has been absolutely tremendous. But then again as i mentioned before you take chris paul jae crowder all. That's what they're the only players with these type of playoff experience devon booker deondraye eight mikhail breaches guys. Who are going to be counting on that. The team is going to be relying on to really do some things. How much is no playoff. Experience going to come into the equation when you're dealing with this when you're dealing with these Would you dealing with the los angeles lakers. One of the great things is we will find out. We don't know. I don't know how much of a role that leadership role because for the first time i mentioned this before in another podcast when speaking about chris paul and his relationship with the phoenix suns of the phoenix suns players in the phoenix suns organization. I think this is probably the first time since he was playing in new orleans that the lines are not blurred. That responsibilities are there and the responsibilities are respected and people are following through and people are respecting that you know when he left the new orleans. I don't know the bob cats are pelican. I don't even know what they were that time. But when he. I love new orleans and went to the los angeles. Clippers was lob silly and we got we got the andrea. We've got dark and we've got all these type of things but a lot of people bristled on. That team bristled that the way that chris paul led his leadership style and then it became a point to where it will. This is this blake. Griffin's team is chris. Paul's team is this doc rivers team and how much deondraye jordan like chris. Paul how much. What's the relationship between the andrei in blake and blake in christ and all of this type of nonsense all of the drama surrounding the la clippers. Whether it was totally. Chris paul or not but it was always a situation where there was always the pushback when chris paul would say hey man. This is my team though. Then he goes to houston and houston team. James harden word like look on james harden time. Not chris paul's time chris paul. You are not the leader of the team. You are here to be supporting member. For james harden james harden the face that runs this place concerning the organization as russell westbrook found out That's not bending. That's not yielding not open for discussion or negotiation. During that time when daryl morey with gm of the houston rockets and james harden was the star of the show. So much chris. Paul wanted to throw in his chris. Paul type of Attitude in his philosophy and his leadership in his impact on the organization it was never gonna fully happen because james harden was going to have any of it so then of course the one year when he resurrected his career and oklahoma city was great. But really that's a team where the overachieved they're a bunch of overachievers but in terms of doing something for real in the playoffs. You knew that would never going to happen now. Because of the rebuilding mode that oklahoma city was in. They traded chris. Paul over to the phoenix suns. And you get the young. Cast light booker in aden in bridges and these guys and then more than happy. The fall in line in. Learn from chris paul and basically when chris paul says jump they'll say how high so there's no blurry nece here. There's no question there's no discussion. There's no team. Is this questions or anything like that. This is chris. Paul leading this one chris. Paul is these basically defacto