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Jane Krakowski

Sunday Sitdown with Willie Geist

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Jane Krakowski

"Hey guys willie geist here with another episode of the sunday. Sit down podcast. My thanks is always clicking and listening along. Perhaps you can hear the excitement in my voice today. Because i've a conversation with one of my favorite people on earth. The great jane creek hausky. She's incredibly talented. She's incredibly funny. She's incredibly charming. And we've got a good long talk with her for you today. She's got so much going on. I'll try to remember it all. She's hosting a name that tune. A new updated version of name that tune with randy jackson leading the band. She stars in a pair of apple. Tv plus series. One called schmidt dune which plays into her theater and musical roots. Where basically the plot is. This couple wanders through the forest and happens upon entire world. They can't escape from where everyone is. Living in an old broadway musical need. I say more she also plays emily dickinson's mother in the apple. Tv plus series dickinson. She's got so much going on as always you've known her since she was a kid. She started a soap opera when she was super young. Got nominated twice for emi's she was cousin vicky and vacation one of the great movies of all time and one of the most memorable characters in that awesome movie and she sent ally mcbeal thirty rock. The unbreakable kimmy schmidt. She's done so much in her life to say nothing of her career on broadway where she wanted tony award in two thousand three. She truly does it all and she's just so fun to be around and so fun to talk to. We got together at a rooftop bar and restaurant in new york city. Kind of a garden on a nice breezy summer day You're gonna hear some background noise as you've gotten used to on this podcast. Were sitting outside in new york city. So they'll be some fire trucks and some garbage trucks backing up. Maybe some light crime out on the streets who knows what we're in for. I think they'll you'll enjoy this conversation again with one of the all time greats and just such a fun person to be around it. Is jane creek hausky right now on the sunday. Sit down podcast. I jane. How are you going to see you. It's great to see you. Unmasked in the flesh unmasks in a garden on a rooftop in new york just the way we always get together. I like to close all places that really just see. Whatever comes up probably wise. You never know what's gonna happen latest. I've ever seen you. Let's be honest. see you very early in the morning. that is true. We've co-hosted some today show together over the years great highlights of my career and life. We were just talking about your your entrance for people who may not recall the first time you hosted. I was saying some of these celebrity guests a thing and they're a little nervous understandably. It's a fish out of water and i. i think. I think james is going to be okay. Then they see she's got a little entrance win. And i'm sitting at the desk. Good morning. it's monday morning. Guess hosting and you come in on roller skates and by the way full roller skating skills from somewhere deep in your new jersey child nailed it right from there at the same place. You brought it out so you always bring it. I guess is what i'm saying So we're talking about this time at home this last year and a half. You've actually been working a lot like you've been at home with your son but also you're in australia shooting like you've got all these things going on. So what was that balance for you of time at home and work right. Well i mean in the beginning it was obviously all shut down and it was just so me and my son at home and It was an interesting time for me. And i'm sure you feel this way about your kids. What we learned a lot about our kids that we didn't know i mean to me. I think the thing. I like the most besides that. I don't know anything from the third or fourth grade that was eye opening for me But then i eased into it. And i got into the joy of actually relearning everything that my son and finding joy in that but i loved seeing how my son learns and that i learned a lot that way. We apply to all these schools. You know because. I talked to you a lot about this when i was first applying myself to enter the new york. Private school system. And you all these letters but you don't really know who your kid is educationally. Or where they're going to be gravitated to and these two years at home really taught me who my son is. what how we learn. What ignites him all the stuff that we write in those letters that i don't really know their four or five and so it was very interesting to learn all of that and where he's what is strengths and weaknesses are and you hear them in the south and the parent teacher conference. And i'm sort of like well. I don't know. Mike is not like that. At home or save we justify our head and then being his you know co teacher for a year and a half almost two years. I was like oh yeah you're right. He struggles there. He needs more attention here. And so that was really. I opened for me and a great lesson and yet i feel very lucky that he is a whole personality. Did he like having mom at home helping them all the time or was he like. Okay i love you but little here. I think both kind of loved it. I think we really enjoyed it and like you our start very early. So there's many hours that. I would be gone before he wakes up or he'd wake up and start school or get walked to school bhai our nanny or whoever was with us at the time and or when doing appropriate show getting home after bedtime so this was a a joy for him and a joy for me i it was hard on new york and as a new yorker i i it makes me feel makes me so sad like hearing the sirens rang and having everything shut down. If you ever told me in our lifetime that new york could shut down and not be twenty four seven i would have never believed it and then you know we would go out every night at seven pm bengals parts and i felt this emotion that i feel like right now. I feel that overwhelming emotion to say thank you these people that saves new york from the break and save new yorkers and so now we're in a time where we've made it through new yorkers are so hard and so strong were largely vaccinated which is so wonderful and now i'm excited to see new york comeback so much. A part of it for me is having broadway. Come back and i find it synonymous with with having new york comeback. So i'm excited. That work is slowly coming back for us that we're seeing each other in person that my son will return classroom. Please go back to school. And hopefully new york will will come back better better than ever. And because i believe in new yorker. So much i know the talking about broadway the gala that you hosted the roundabout gala. Yes that was amazing. You were up there for like an hour doing your thing right. But the idea was. Broadway is the symbol of new york city for a lotta people. It's the energy life. It's the creativity of people all over the world. How excited are you to see broadway. Come back this fall. But that night and particularly was It was a gala for the roundabout theatre company. Which is a sort of. I call like my my hometown family theater company in the city. 'cause i've done so many four broadway shows for them and i think the mess my hometown new york theater company and it was. It was a magical night. It was the first time we could be out. We were out in central park one of the most beautiful parts of the world. They built an a beautiful stage. I was singing with new york city. Pops my friend. Titus burgess came and sang many songs of the tina fey introduced me. Alec baldwin made a cameo on the first number adrienne. Warren also did it with me so everybody likes said yes and that made me so thankful for to my really talented amazing friends that they all said yes and showed up. Not only for new york theater than broadway coming back but but for new york and for live performing to be back. That's what was so exciting about being there that night. And i was nervous. I rehearsed by butts off too. I never had to do this. You forgotten and the voice was a little more wobbly than it usually is. Because i hadn't sung as much over the time of cove it and but the spirit and the room was amazing and by the room. I mean central. It was amazing and Was there with the right love and spirit and to be supported by the new york city pops in here those orchestrations and i was i was doing my best but then my friend titus bridges came out and sang people standing absolutely still and a standing ovation happened in your life. Yeah that's what it's all about. That's amazing and broadway is such a bellwether for city right. I mean it feels like broadway back. Expect those theatres full. This fall all excited. I mean i'm going to be there on the. I already was lucky. Enough to bruce springsteen you get to go yet forefoot. I got luckily invited to dress for hersal night. And it was my first night back in broadway house since the pandemic and and it's going back a little bit. But i was meant to go to the opening night of sixth day broadway. Shut down so i was getting my outfit ready and call him my best friend and saying so the shows at six. I can't wait to at six. Pm as well as it's called. And i was like. I'm so excited. And she's like. I don't know if people are gonna go like i was like what. What are you talking about us a broadway. it's like. I'm sure i said well. Let me call to people in steve. It's still still on. And obviously it was shut down within the hour and my heart broke for all of those girls making their broadway debut that night but to be back in the theater for bruce is my first time being back in the theater in a broadway house on that dress rehearsal night it just i got every pang of loving broadway loving what i do that i had as a young young child like wanting to just dreaming of just being able to do this. I sat there going and the back. You the said there's really no said it's the the the back wall of the actual theater which that stuff that i get all those chills that was just like oh my god yes yes like. I need to be there. I wanna see every show so it's still lives in me. And it's part of the original dream. Part of the original goal of living within proximity of broadway and being inspired by so many broadway shows kid that made me want to be in this business and then i still feel that same excitement and butterflies and thrill seeing someone else. Do it as well as me getting a chance to do it in central park for everybody who was my richest fans who were able to come in support. You gotta have rich fans. That's yeah so did that. Give you the bug. Then the broadway bug again. I mean you've won. Tony awards you've been nominated for tony's great career on the stage. When i get back together you gotta be honest bug as always within me I find that like my home base. I find like when i get to do a show on broadway ignites all my tools and everything sort of the original concept away the original the oh g. of who i am and then i feel it in florence my other performances. I feel then. I'm ready to be better in a tv show or try harder at a movie or so or bring more characterization to an animated job or whatever the whatever the request is i find that those still my soul to then inform everything else that i do what i feel. Lucky about is that i have been able to use. Use those original skills in so many places where you wouldn't expect. It was the demand like on the today show at nine in the morning. You wouldn't think i'd bring and sometimes it's not forced on you. Sometimes it is just part of the actual job description or people have written me roles where they can use all of those skills. And i i love it. I love that still at this time. My career. I'm getting to pull out my favorite bag of tricks or find some new ones. Segue into your apple. Tv plus series mega dune yeah which incorporates elements of broadway because couples walking through the forest in the woods and they happen into a universe that is i think a nineteen forties era musical action right. It's music man or something yeah So first of all great concept. So where do you fit into that story as the countess. Well let's just go back. When i first read the script i was like okay. I'm the key demographic for this show. I'm the lady who's gonna watch it at home. Now how can i also begin so was because it came from the genus minded broadway video and produced by lorne michaels. I was asked to do some of the early readings of it before as they were still crafting it and figuring out what it was going to be so this is a project that is so near and dear to my heart and i feel like i was lucky enough to be a part of it from the ground up. It's written by the loving loving musical theater loving heart. Cinco paul who is one of the most infectious happy joyous. People i've ever worked with and has such a true love of useful theater and you could tell it's infused in every moment of sh- mega dune i play on lurking who is very reminiscent of characters reminiscent of characters that you know from nineteen forty s musicals mind is very reminiscent of the baroness in the sound of music's i'm so she comes from a giant. I like the word a giant in the city. And she comes back to find the doctor taking up with melissa. Who is the people who are not from schwager coming to find true love to get out yup. And they're hilarious. I actually. I loved that. It is a loving parody of musical theater but also have such a witty humorous sensibility tacked onto it because it sort of lake. You'll like this show whether you like musicals or musical because both sides are being represented and i of love that because donald lives in b. to even truly a huge musical theater fan but the sensibility of like saying it with cecil late. My the music from my song socialist. Wait you get a song. You're kind of a minor character. As i just start thinking. We don't have time for that. This is my number doubt. I rolling the theater of it all from the other side. So you're right. you do get it. And as i said before it is like a modern. All star cast from broadway between you and kristen channel with an allen coming. I mean i could go on and on and on unbelievable cats. Yeah well we also filled this show this wonderful. Little gem of a series during the pandemic was right when filming was being allowed to happen again under great restrictions. We all went up to vancouver. We quarantined for a very long fourteen days. Which doesn't sound long. I know in hindsight but in these rooms it can be very very hard we would rehearse on zoom if we could we would i mean i got basically maybe an hour rehearsal with the fair wearing masks and faye shields and we rehearsed onto foldout chairs. That was meant to be this convertible car. That i'd do this amazing number that cinco vote for me and choreographed it on these two folding chairs with social spacing and social distancing and the first time i met sicily person was when they called action and it was the first time we were not with our masks and face shields and everything else that goes into it so the show was made with so much love that everybody really wanted to be there. I think so. I think so. Much of the harsh geduhn is that we were able to actually do live musical theater when there was no live musical theater at the time. And it's going to air now at a time when musical theater probably hasn't come back to your hometown yet but hopefully we'll very very soon so i wasn't lying when i said you're busy. So the sh- we've got a new season of dickinson which i'm so excited about. Which is a really cool show for people who haven't seen season three right coming up. She's into us out now. He's coming up right where you play. Dickinson's mom has the serb modern energy with current music. Yeah how do you explain the show to people who might be checking it out. Well i think they can send. This is such a cool show. It's so well. Written by elena smith the show is really her creative. Like mine. Genius of what she wanted to make. I read it and was like this is so creatively interesting to me that i just want to see how it's going to be done so i wanna be a part of it and it's it's it's been really interesting because the show lives on many levels it is it can be completely funny and the next minute be completely heartfelt and beautiful and poignant and then wiz khalifa comes on and they're seeing we're working to a rap song so you just gotta go with it but i i was. My mom was a huge feminine later and she taught me some of emily dickinson's poems when i was a child. And so when. I i saw the script for for dickinson. It started with a poem. My mom had taught which is nobody. Who are you a very known one in a very famous one. And i was like oh we then it said it bursts out to like rap songs like oh this might be the blending all world so i wanna i wanna be a part of this creatively. I'm so excited about season three. I feel like each year. The show each season the show finessed. Its way into something special and beautiful. And i hope you find it. I'm not sure if anybody's watching dickinson. Who even knows where it is. It's on apple but it's it's daunting to do comedy especially you know me. I'd like to do physical comedy and of course it for twelve hours a day. In of course it roller skate for example. You know there's a modern twist you don't know which days i have had device scar but it's a joy and i am really proud of the ultimate product of of what it is and especially these three because i feel like my character really got to grow and blossom season three and it really comes back to sort of almost the play writing sensibility. That elena smith started as a playwright. And i think season three really brings the show of dickinson back to that heart again because we were just outside the restrictions of pandemic and Needed to film with few were fewer cast members and smaller rooms and in smaller locations. And so i should become an asset to to season. Three of tickets. So what is it when you get a script. Jane that you see and you go. Oh yeah that's you just sort of described the dickinson scribes and there's always something there. It seems like it turns you on and say i want to be a part of that. I'm sure it's different project project. It's just something special gets ignited me like i feel like ooh and a lot of it is There's excitement and fear visit his books. Fear is always good. I think because it can push you to try something new and that when you're not sure you can pull it off. I think it it triggers me to wanna try. You know it's interesting. It is just this thing. That and i'm sure other actors to this to that you've interviewed but i'll read description is really wanted to do it but i don't get that feeling and i'm like oh and i like i guess i'm not going to do this or i don't feel it's not doing that to me. And so it's just an inner instinct of either the challenge or the excitement or what you you. Just get that that vibe inside. There's been some scripts that i think i wanted to really do. And i like. I'm not going to get this one. I don't have that. That buzzer that thing inside of me like a challenge. Clearly something that i don't know. Can i pull this off when you read the script. Oh yeah yeah. I like that and then if it's not there i'll try to make it harder harder for myself so we've talked about this before but name that tune has been so much fun to watch. Yeah yeah and that's just you being you which is actually a character. You don't play very much. Which is to say like which might be for the best. Here's my small doses. But it's you get to be funny and you get to do little singing and dancing. You get to be you. You person that i know well. That's very sweet. So how much fun is that show to do. Much five and i grew up watching name that tune and i grew up in a very musical family. Parents do community theater and my dad was in a fifties do up groups so we would yell at the television every time we could see how many notes we could get in and try to get the songs of you know compete against each other a friendly family way and so yet when it came to me it was such a gift. It was at the height of panic. They flew to australia to film it because we could with their with their restrictions. We were able to have a live band live audience and it was my first time hosting a game show so to speak and it was all joy. It was a challenge. Because i'd never done it before. It was a gift because we got two beautiful australia and filmed the show. I'm in love with randy jackson. Reggie jackson is such a cool guy. A great friend and an amazing producer. He is really really smart guy and considering everybody in the network was in california watching live tapes at like five in the morning and it was being. Randy's as the only americans in this entirely australia production it was really wonderful to have randy as a as a cohort out there and using his sensibility and longstanding experience in that world from american idol and all that and he taught me a lot. And i'm very grateful for his friendship. That's going to be a really cool thing to have grown up watching something and then to be in a position your life or then they ask you to be. The person to recreate. Are those the sort of perspective. Hinch me moments along the way. Yeah they are they are. And i've had a bunch of those with broadway too because as briefly just mentioned my. My parents did a lot of community theater in new jersey. That was their hobby outside of their their professions and i grew up very modestly middle class and they couldn't get babysitters all the time and so they will take me to the community theater at them from the time. I was in a crib. I was backstage at this community theater. And i watch my mom make customs for show or be in a show or my dad produce a show or be in a show and i've had many of those shows i've come to be an off broadway a few of because i haven't been in that many probably shows but a few of them and those moments are the moments i think bow. How did this even happen. How did i see my dad. And my mom being a show in community theater. and now i'm opening it on broadway. Those those days are never lost on me. I'm so thankful to support and creativity that my parents infused into our lives child and still loving it now like this many years later i i've been in this in this business long time and i still love it just as much and coming out of the pandemic i am so grateful for what i do and i love what i do and i'm i had a bunch of jobs. Come up right after the pandemic and we were labeled of film. And i couldn't be more grateful for all of them because i was so happy to go back to work. I was so happy to be asked to still do what i love to do. And so i think each one each project. We're talking about right now. A special meaning to me because of that especially and i haven't i. I'm so thankful that. I recently my first audition. I was eight years old. I waited outside of a broadway theater at an open call that i circled like in backstage magazine. I got my chance to sing. Sixteen bars for an amazing woman. Graciela danielle. she plucked me out of like five hundred kids. I don't know how many roger for this it was. Adults and kids alike being picked and out of the five hundred something kids. She chose me and she gave me my first yes. She gave me my first open door. And i got to see her just recently like two weeks ago and she's being honored this tony awards for her. She's getting a special tony for her. Immense terrific creative body of work in the in musical theater and in the broadway theatre alike. She's up plays musicals. To and i'm i'm so happy that she's getting on her because she gave so many people there i yes. She gave so many people there opportunity for me to still do what i love until i got to just a few weeks ago and i i started crying like i've never the thank you and the last time i was nominated for a tony my whole speech was gonna be about her but i lost like you don't know this but my whole speech was going to be about thanking you for letting me be in this business and giving me my first. Yes so i'm just going to tell it to you now so you gave me. It wasn't really a speech. I paraphrased at this time but backed up to tony gave her. You'll get your chance back up there. I mean what this is part of the reason people love you so much is because you're so real and there's gratitude i can see your eyes more immense appenzell where the world down and we all could have jive. That's true but yeah. But i think generally speaking you're not jaded person. You don't take all these things in your life and career for granted steph. Not a minute of it. Almost so thankful. And as a mom of ten-year-old. I hope my son can find with hugh loves to do and i can nurture it and say yes ago and go so he can find that for himself to. Because it's it's a you have a life well lived serious don't you. It's a life well lived when you can get to do what you love to do for for your whole life. Hey guys thanks for listening to the sunday. sit down. Podcast stick around to hear more from jane creek hausky right after the break. Hey it's msnbc's. Chris hayes keeping up with today's news can be quite a challenge. It's not enough to know what's happening. It's essential to try and understand why it's all happening. That's what i do each week on my podcast. Why is this happening. I'm joined by guests who are uniquely qualified to talk about the biggest issues of our time like philosopher and former police. Chief brenda poza of when you physically struggle with someone you have adrenaline chemicals in you that make u unsympathetic to the person. 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Wherever you get your podcast subscribe and follow today to start listening. Welcome back to the sunday. Sit down podcast now. More of my conversation with jane creek hausky. So you're talking about your parents jersey working in the theater. It seems to me completely inevitable that you were going to do what you're doing right now. Which is to be on stage and unscreened because of all those influences you talked about. Was there ever a moment along the way where you. We're gonna like be an accountant. Was there ever anything else on the radar for you or was it like. This is who. I'm going to be well. You didn't see my grades. So i knew very early on. I needed to hold my personality. I think anything else. Not really. I mean i. I grew up with a very practical father who always was worried about the rainy day for me and so we looked into other things you know. I thought for a while. I want to be a lawyer. That was never really gonna fly some other things. I thought i would want to do but i was lucky enough to get to get yes to get to get in And yeah and i say i just feel like i've been lucky enough to to be challenged by it. All these years to to still love it to still be ignited by at all And i really there's been there's been years writing get work and times in our career where we're hiring or not hiring or the right musicals are being done or you're just like two inches too short to be opposite the leading or many many weird reasons that we don't get jobs in show business and those those can knock you down but I don't think there's ever a moment. I really wanted to do anything else. And things happen really quickly for you. I mean you're you're on a soap opera where you're how do you know all this did you do. It's all. it's all pipe into my ear inn. Now tinier worlds. You're nominated for emmys your vacation. Because vicki everybody loves like you're getting good stuff early. Doing good work. You're on broadway and starlight express your eighteen years old school when that happened. So what was that like to have all this. A lot of it really high profile stuff happening at that age while you're still in high school exhilarating. I guess it's it's funny when i look back. It doesn't seem like it was fast a lot coming. I'm i'm mildly competitive person and most competitive with myself really so I think every time. And i know i know. My family felt this way every time i got something. We'd all be shocked and surprised like. Wow okay let's go. Let's go do that. You just got a broadway show. That's okay. I guess we'll learn to do a broadway show and go do that so okay so. There are a bunch of great roles that you're associated with tv. And you tell me if. I have them right. What do you hear about the most ally mcbeal thirty rock. Of course kimmy schmidt just jacqueline's and incredible character and you've said you've said you enjoy finding the humor in monsters. Yeah make comedy out of monsters and when you. When i read that quote i was like oh. Yeah yes jacqueline. That's a little bit. That's something you do really well. Nothing necessarily monsters. I i clearly exaggerated for a sense of humor with a sense of humor. But i think i love finding a sense of humor in slauson people and they can be flaws in all of us whether we come off that way or not but i love heightening them to a place of humor and i think i think definitely all those characters had that and i've also been on shows that were written by some of the greatest writers in television or just say the greatest writer. So you can't take that out of the equation and it brings me to. It brings me to. I think what. I love most about what i do and i feel this way even with our conversation today that it's the collaboration it's the it's the joint conversation and i feel like every job. I've been lucky enough to do is then with people who that collaboration made me better. Collaboration has made me grow. That collaboration has inspired me. And that's what. I feel so thankful about coming out of the time we just went through and getting to do. Those jobs was. I was so thirsty for the collaboration completely thirsty for the audience. But i probably have that it all but you don't that the even just seeing you here today you know. It's not the same zoo. I don't get to feel your energy. You know lobster huge fan of yours. I adore spending time with you but having conversation with somebody is wonderful again. And i getting to do these jobs and collaborating with some of the greatest comedy writers that there are of this generation is a collaboration. I am so thankful for. And i think it absolutely influence my sense of humor on camera and off. I've raised a very sassy ten-year-old which is not a successful at a ten year old with a little tina fey of coming out. I think we have that we were talking the same problem in our parent teacher conferences. It's funny but let's read the room. Yeah yeah yeah. But i mean i think ally mcbeal is fair to say. I don't know if it surprised people but it's baby your first experience with something that huge where oh this is a cultural thing that people are talking about the next thing and yeah we're in the middle of some event that was happening right right. Yeah it was my first tv series. And i was very good friends with to flockhart from just a new york theater scene and we had both flown out for our final scream tests together. We actually shared an agent at the same time too so he booked all our flights together. And we this is sort of i. Sum this up is sort of kind of the whole experience kind of felt like we flew out coach. We've got the jobs while we were there. Both of us and we flew back. I warm warm fresh cookies and all which was the first for me and It sort of explains the whole experience like we went in. None of us had ever been on tv. We were all like a lot of us. Were from new york. According to french smith was the girl who had all the tv experience when we went to her for all the questions and like. How does this work do we buy. Crew gifts is. This is this right. Is this within sag regulations and all the things we just didn't know she was sort of our leader. And i remember the day. I realized that ally mcbeal was hit was i was driving home in la traffic and from a from a work day and people were analyzing it the next after the day after the episode on the on the radio and i don't even know if i knew what a water cooler show was that i don't i'm sure that was a phrase prior to that but i'm not sure but i was like oh we're on that show. People are arguing about ally mcbeal having a conversation about the topics and that was the day i realized that it was It was out there. You know it was it was it was something and it was. It was a great experience for me. In general again it was a very specific. Sense of humor A quite exaggerated characters that i adored and i see i think what i like about the character that i played even though they're flawed. I love them right. I have radical compassion for them. All and i think that is something. I'm so happy i infused fusing my characters and now i want to infuse that everywhere in life i think at a time in life where we all should have radical compassion for each other and for everyone on a day to day basis. So now we feel that. Don't we i do more than ever more than ever began. Elevate bills are really unique. Show i mean he had a very. It was the first drama. I think i was aware of at least i coined with that genre label. Did you feel your life changing the just in terms of going into a restaurant. People know who you are okay. Oh you're bill. Was that the first time that's happened. I sure did that. Feel strange at all. It felt strange but exciting until it didn't right until it backfires on someone and it's i didn't really get the negative experience of that during during that show. And maybe because i was more of a supporting player i think. Callisto experienced a harder route with fat because she was one day. America's sweetheart and the next day everybody criticizing her. And i think that was very hard to go through and i don't want to speak for kalisz to school and you should talk about that but i think it was. It was definitely an experience where our lives all changed. And i remember the first year we all got to go to the golden globes. We were invited to the golden globes and only twelve episodes had aired mean. Our lives had changed. And we all were like okay. So i asked everybody to over to buy rental apartment before and we all like had a glass of champagne to the same limit was like it worked for the friends. Maybe this feels safer if we go together like the prom our little know all those pictures outside of my apartment all like suddenly going to the golden globes and it was it was a great joyful memory and this but when that series wraps up your there's something in your mind to the broadway team. I want to come back to new york. Yeah and then boy. Does that work out. Well for you really done your time and every no no. It's all kicking around up here too but something told you that it. Tv was fun. We did a success. Show right back home to the stage yet. At which point very sweet of you use. I'll slip either fifty. I was missing york. When when i finished ally mcbeal and only bill went on for five seasons so i was five years living away from york for the first time in my life and i really missed it and i was like well. You go for a year two years it could just be a temporary move and you know you're gonna come back five years. Felt like so much time. I actually wasn't sure where my home base should be at that time. And so when. I knew i wanted to come back to new york so i put all my life rented l. a. life to storage unit and came back to new york and auditioned for show called nine and it became my My home coming. Back to the broadway community But maybe one of the most satisfying wonderful creative experiences as well in my career and yes. A lifelong dream came true. That i wanna tony for that show. Which i still. Don't you know. I'm still kind of wowed by that by that fact. Let me call your name. Does it all come back. Parents thinking that whole road that got to that stage where they call my name. I went blank. Like i think i had a moment of an out of body experience Which i've never really talked to other actors about my speech is awful. Please don't play it on the show. Because i literally like. I can't believe what just happened to me. And i so admire people in that moment can like without that great emotional speech and i think it. It seemed like too far of a reach like that. That would never happen. And i really did go into like some some loss zone tired now not good and it was also a it was a crazy mullet because we it's one of those great like live tony show moments because we adjust our number like they. They timed where we did our live musical number representation from the show nine right before my my award was up and so we had to do that crazy. Quick change like right off to the side to get back into our time to close versus bar costumes show and i literally the other two of the other nominees. Also from nine so i was holding. Chita rivera's hands and mary stuart masterson hand and it was like being backstage at miss america. Like we're all holding children like like who's going to get called and we're not sure of the lipstick is on the. There's a wardrobe malfunction. You know my real close now or what was going to happen. And i think because i was standing next to amazing dynamic women chita rivera is one of the heroes that i saw at all the shows that come to parents eight years old and then they called my name that i literally went into some some other weird alternatives doesn't feel possible possible it didn't and what it meant to me. I guess 'cause that that community means so much to me and and part of the the o. G. thing that i wanted to do that It seemed to too far a reach. But i so thankful for that experience and it was great and then i sort of made new york continued to stay being my home for the rest of my career and you were able to do tv in new york with iraq. You just go across the river. Yeah i don't know what good juju was on my side. The day i met tina fey robert. Tarlac i i remember. I wore shorts to that. Authorship which was a miscall i note. It was miscall. But then i remember tina writing a joke about women of a certain age still wear shorts actually on thirty later. I thought okay. I still got this job somehow. I don't know how for sure choice or is it just hot that day. It's just what i would wear off anyway. The point being shorts aside shorts aside it was a day that changed my life. I i went into me. Tina fey and robert kerr luck. We had talked for an hour so about the character. And what thirty rock. Listen to be and i. I luckily got that job. And then i was blessed with seven seasons of one of the greatest jobs of my life and the greatest writing of my life and then four more on unbreakable kimmy schmidt which is kind of incredible and i hope a lifelong friendship with all of that were part of those shows. Tina before that audition did you no not at all. I mean of her. Snl but now you guys seem like of kindred spirits. I don't know why. I just feel like you would know each other just smart. Well i'm really glad to know are now and i'm so thankful for her friendship and the the comedy gold. She bestowed on me and all of us. You know it's a moment that when there's not a day and i believe everybody in our casts would say that there was not a day that we took that for granted that entire experience every moment of the seven years that we were getting to make this show that we could come to the today show and uses the today show. As like part of our fictional world was crazy. awesome and Yeah there wasn't a day that went by that. Any of us took it for granted. We were so thankful that we were still on the air. I mean every year. We remember the day that we're either gonna get picked up or not picked up and all like you could feel the energy in the room on that day of filming when we knew it might be pronounced and every year. We were not sure whether we would get another season or not and we all really wanted more seasons and we luckily got seven of them and it was a golden time a great great time. You can tell in jena that you had studied a lot of people that you work with. Perhaps in your business and brought it all to that reform. What did you say about starlets. And the business with dan. I was not making any commentary. Like i told you. I have radical compassion for but there couldn't have been you know a grader. Character to thrive and get the chance to flourish in that particular style of comedy which i greatly enjoy doing. I mean you know. I could poke fun of myself a lot of the time and and others that i had experienced show. I was telling my kids have been watching all your shows during team so this new generation and the show holds up. Three rack really holds out absolutely holds up and it has some edge to it that we were saying like. Yeah today maybe a little more difficult office so i think so. I'm not sure we'll certainly that thirty rock couldn't have been can be made today and wouldn't be made today and it and it shouldn't it lives in this time and i did experience what you're saying like a whole new generation of people coming up to me saying that they watched over the pan democrats. That's awesome. I'm glad that younger kids are seeing it and you know future. Comedians are being exposed to it because there are some. There are some great deadlines that show. Yeah and kimmy schmidt and other favorite in our house. i'll watch on. I think it's your first seen. Maybe when you're considering or you're i guess you're hiring kimmy and you say no you say something like i need you list off. All the things needed assigned at the end of it as a dnr and he decided to india and dnr with no explanation. I still know that speech. Because i it was so character defining beyond remember. She comes in for her first interview just says she opens up her million dollar refrigerator. That's completely threw only with diet water and she owes just. Would you like water. And she offers kimmy election. She says no and she just throws up and water. And i was like. Oh i know who this girl. Which i'm not sure has nothing to do with my back. And then she goes junine a brain hair can be says yes. She goes okay. Great you'll have to meet the horse. I s and then she says all the stuff that you said she goes yes. Wake me up at ten. But don't get me up. No you'll get the sorry. I picked me up ten. But don't wake me up. Which i'm gonna be honest with you still to this day. I don't exactly but it works character. That's gotta be when you read a character like that and you know you can just let it all go. Anything goes that comes out of her. That's gonna be so fun. Tina likes to use all the skills you got it. So you know with jenna when there was a reunion. She's going to the union. She said they degenerated. Did you score you know the boat. I was educated on alec. Says i'm going to to she goes okay. Let me. I took it the wrong way. It's the best. They're the best and how cool to be associated with those shows. That will always be considering. I'm andrea yeah. I'm honored to be associated with those shows. And i know it's going to always be part of my comedy cadence for the rest of for the rest of my life and i'm i'm thrilled that i i had that opportunity i also say like. I'm sure this wasn't what we were going to talk about. But i've been thinking a lot lately about health. Tv has changed. I feel like thirty walk was such well ally mcbeal and thirty rock were sort of more of the old school ilk television before streaming where we did twenty four episodes. If you're lucky sometimes twenty two twenty four somewhere in that range of the demand was and we. Would you feel the world watching it with you week in week out and we were making it as the world was watching and that was a really now. I realize that's the time by because now we drop all of people watch them in around time. You don't feel the same like we're talking with. Bill and hearing people analysts next car. It's not the same thing with the streaming drop when i love about the streaming drop is that there's a lot more shows and a lot more art and a lot more eclectic material to be done things that wouldn't get a yes on network tv canal thrive on streaming than you so into paul side. Yeah yeah yeah. I know i guess that is true. Isn't it worked there. So many shows also. Yeah have you seen this. Have you seen that. I can't even keep track of all but if you get a good recommendation friend you you'll go watch it. But it's not that day afghan watercooler straddle a time period where i got to experience and hooked. Continue to okay before. I release you from this your life. You've done so much. What's out there that have not done that. You still see on the horizon. You got a lot of career in front of you. What's what's the saying that you've all kind of always wanted to do but maybe because you don't have the time to do it didn't work out. My gosh. i mean what happened you done. You've done everything right. So maybe there's so much. I have done so much. I haven't done back to broadway. Maybe right evacuated broadway. I'm trying to think of what i. I don't think this way and i think this goes back to my parents raising such a practical Sensibility like that. I'll never work again. And i think every actor has a twinge of that end unlike when one job end said. Oh god this may be it like and i certainly felt that after coming to new york and auditioning for nine i thought wow this could have been like the high point of my career so that lives within an actor. I think I think that's a little bit healthy by the way. I think we all have it. What if you took for granted of course job gaeilge. Yeah to some extent. I feel like right now. I'm so thrown by getting to work with people. I really wanna work with. I've been so lucky willing to work with people who are so great at what they do like some of the great what they do and i hope that that continues to be more selective. I guess but i'm blowing in the wind. I'm saying yes to everything other. Yes let's try it. I've never done that before. Its time of yes. And that's kind of fun. And freeing and some more animated you got my little pony coming up on september. You gotta doing it all. Yes yes well. I'll let you roller skate. Out of here is joy brought them. I should have brought them. We're going to find that clip. You know we need to do. I'll tell you what we should do. You know wanted this for a long time. Jane and willie show. I know time slot nine. Am weekdays would be great. I've always wanted to do it. And if you say yes. I do is it. Maybe it's a streaming situation like a ticket to own homes over zoom like years after it's appropriate every we're all back to work. They zoomed. pretend that we recess. I'm in maybe maybe an action fill out the shirt together or is that just you together even better. It's definitely beyond film felling it today. It's going to be real quick. No with no and the wrong this out. The guy from news. No jane great to see so great to see you too. I will not be holding my breath for an offer for that action movie. But i would do that. Jane willie show. How much fun would that be my big. Thanks again to jane for her time. And a great conversation you can catch her in schmidt cocoon and dickinson streaming now on apple. Tv plus and my thanks to all of you for tuning in again this week as always if you want to hear more my conversations with all of our guests week be sure to click subscribe so you never miss an episode. And don't forget of course tune into sunday today every weekend on nbc. 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ep 57: Xanadu level of insane

So it's a show?: keeping up with the Gilmore Girls

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ep 57: Xanadu level of insane

"Yeah. Hello, and welcome to, so it's a show podcast. We attempt to keep up with Laura and ROY skating. I mean pop culture, references on Gilmore girls. I'm Kyla Taylor, and we're not talking about figure skating, who needs that we're not. I Tanya or Nancy Kerrigan anymore. Nancy carroll. What now Carrigan? Talking roller skating. You know. That's just it's a new passion. And I think we're doing a really good job. Yeah. I skated is so season one for us one. Yeah. So, like if you wanna talk the Tanya go back in tact to the old Kylie Taylor. But sorry we can't come to the phone because we're good. Dead. Tired of figure skating? I mean roller skates, you can wear them and get anywhere faster. Why not always put him on in the morning? Go out. See where they take you. Honestly, I think this is the environmental choice of the future. Like let's just start roller skating again, who needs cars, Amen. I think we've learned a lot from this movie that we're that we're covering in this episode. Oh, we've learned a lot because this movie was. Oh. A trip. I'm so excited. Talk about it not. So we're gonna get in fast. So let's just what, what are we even talking about, and Gilmore girls? Let's get through it. So we can get to the insanity. That is in a do. In xanadu. Not a good one. All right, the episode, we're talking about today is Gilmore girls. Three eleven I solemnly swear and the db plot summary is Emily is being sued by a made for wrongful termination. A plot point, we referenced in our upset last week and asks Laura lie to attest to her character or. Yeah. Don't know why she thought that was a great idea. Francey manages to come between Paris and Rory leaving Rory out in the cold and sukey unwittingly sets up a date with an old friend. This is probably the most accurate description. We've had in a while that isn't also. Spoiler and bizarrely described. Yeah. Yeah. They cover different all the different main plot points and got a lot of different characters with a lot going on. Yeah. Any highlights from this episode that you, particularly love in this well wrong string of episodes of season three, I do like seen another character after sukey. Because when she really she just has one love interest Jackson, which, I mean he's awesome. And they're awesome together. But it's fun to see another person. It's been pining for her for ten years, her. She's as days, we were like. So I like that as funny. Yes. And how flustered she gets when she figures out what has happened and how terrible she feels. And she makes Jackson all of his favourite foods and puts on Creedence, Clearwater, revival, and he walks in. He goes, this is my favorite stuff. Oh my gosh. You cheated on me. Yes. No, not on purpose. I forget what she says. Yeah. I made you. It's smells, terrific lamb taps, Rosemary, and garlic in a warm potato salad. Lamb, chops was Cillian olives, Rosemary and garlic, Hannah warm potato injury, so salad. What's speaker? You made beef jerky for me and there's corporate and fried Muslim pie for dessert, and you have CR on Yaar. I know I like CCR you don't like seal. Tonight. Cheated on me, whom I just. Berghof explained every urine remind me that I want she on me. For me. Those funny episode. Oh, yes. But that is not the plot third, we are going to be talking about two day. And you might also have a question you might be saying, we'll Awo back up the bread truck. The last episode is hang around Kim workers, three oh nine what happened that Gilmore girls three ten well friends beautiful. It. Yeah. We hate that never going to talk about it. Where? Just kidding. If you are so inclined. If you haven't already listen, you can pop up pop back. You kin we were so phrase. Bebop back. If Biba bugging, you, you can be back to the end of our season. Two episode forty seven when we covered it as a special request from our beautiful listener, Carol. Yes. So we figured we've already talked about episode three ten that'll do pig, but we are continuing the thread. We started their of this little conflict triangle between Francey Rory and Paris that Francey and my goodness. But here's here's the real twist in this right here is that we're actually covering a Francey reference. And something I was thinking about us, we were prepping for this ups owed. For someone who isn't actually a huge run of the show. We have talked about Francey allot on this. And I don't I'm not one hundred percent. Sure, why, or how that has happened, but it has not been intentional, but Francey, if you're only listening to this podcast never watched Gilmore girls, you would think she's kind of a big deal and she so not young. She only has a few more episodes, and then she's gone Zo. Yeah. Her presence is it's undeniable, though, when, when they're, she's causing drama from day, one with the puffs with the student body council has senior class president all the things. Yeah. And as she is attempting to pull off a coup d'etat for power in student body meeting. They have this little discussion about a blood drive as you know, healthy is coming up. We have speakers lined up to discuss everything from heart disease, and exercise too. Dangerous of sun damage of fried food. Everyone's book to mighty to go. The only thing left to figure out is where to set up the sign of tables of the annual budget cheese. What's Samat of she hates the word, give me a heart attack to keep your hands on your news told me when it's over as I was saying before the freak out. We need to figure out where to place, the sign up table for the blood drive. I can still hear her to yourself continue, please. I'm posing putting it in the cafeteria it's got easy. Access maximum exposure, and almost ninety percent of the student body of. It's the capterra every day. It's the perfect location. Well, no, excuse me. You can't set up in the cafeteria. It's a fire hazard. It is yes, it's a fire hazard. You'll have to find another place. You're kidding. I never kid about fire safety well, Rory. I actually know the fire codes for the cafeteria and as long as we don't cram them three hundred people. There we can start an opium den in the fire. Arment wouldn't care, a Franci. I think they would care and be I'm not talking about numbers, you set up that table, people thinking about blood someone smelled smoke in the next thing, you know, fifty Sam feeding teenagers are using your body to lever open door. I won't allow that this is Dan do level of insane way to go Madeline and Louise, just being the classic comic relief. And I love how they just follow Paris, wherever she goes, whatever club or committee. She's in their part of two they're on the paper with her and their on student body government with her they just do whatever she does ride their coattails, hoping, she'll help them get into IB league schools. I guess. Yeah. But the real conflict here is worry, and Francy. And what in the world, did you think Francine it when she said, this is xanadu level of insane? Well xanadu just kind of sounds like a funny word. So I don't really I did not know. Just kind of sounded like xanadu. I don't know. I just wanted to say it over and over, again, then it is in a new kind of, like we did our citizen Kane episode. Yeah. Way back in the day that was like the end of season. One wasn't it? Yeah. I think so. Yeah. Episode sixteen that is I screwed up their big citizen Kane plans. We talked a lot about xanadu xanadu, but we are not talking about that xanadu which when I heard that in this episode, I think I probably thought it was the house in citizen. Kane. And I mean, I had heard of the old Santa movie, but I knew nothing about it. That just see where you at least thought of as do. Yes. So xanadu spelled with an axe. Yes. To clarify x a n a. Hugh. It's hard. Yeah. I know xanadu is a movie. From what year you always know, the year nineteen eighty maintain eighty and man was it eighties, but also seventies. But also everything and yet, nothing. Kyla? I don't even know where to begin. Yeah. This classic motion picture. Let's just try starting with these two short descriptions that I found as different plot summaries for the film. Oh, good. This'll be helpful for me. Okay. And maybe it'll be a good jumping off point for our conversation. Okay. Here's the Amazon prime description when you rent it. Xanadu is a look at the future and a loving remembrance of the way things were in the heyday of Hollywood. In scripture. Over that. I know all those words, but somehow in that string in that order, if it means literally nothing to me, it, it means nothing. But it's a it's an effort, it's. Okay. They're trying to look at the big idea of xanadu. I respect that. No Turner classic movies as always was a little more helpful a mythological news helps in artist in the former big-band clear net. Assed open of roller disco. And that is just a wonderful string of words, put together that makes so much and so little since all the same. Yes, that, that is what the movie is. But the inbetween. Is a mystery. It's a blur a blur of scathing and electric lights. Yeah. Poboy. Yeah. And blonde hair. Oh, my goodness, flying all over the place. I just have so many feelings. Okay. Cilicia start with the opening. There's a spinning earth moon, something with a plane or spaceship going around it, that made me think of the mystery science theater three thousand young. Yup. And then there's a mural on a wall in Los Angeles, and it's has eight women nine it nine women on it. And they start one by one coming out of the painting, and dancing, and that takes awhile. And they are zip zap zap and all over lots Angeles in roller skates. Yes. I mean that just always. Yeah. Always skating. But we focus on one. Olympia Newton John. She is the muse that. That I don't know that is featured in this movie. That pushes the plot along that rolls and you forgot one very important moment in the very beginning that I might go. Goodness. What bring Biro to life? This angry. But blond guy with long flowing locks ripping apart, his drawings that hates that, all, like look. They're just like all sketches. He's grabs it and tears. Throws it out the window, and they fly past this mural, the little shreds, in bring the mural to life. Yeah. He's a frustrated artist. Yeah. Poor guy. He I mean, the not that you could tell through the acting that he was happy or sad or anything. But hobos there, he was definitely there. Yeah. And he drew. Things. His name is Sonny Malone. He works for a company that creates larger versions of record covers so that music stores can display them in their window, which is a niche market. I don't believe exists anymore. No. And he's a talented painter. He tried to the wave asked his painter, he tried to quit and make it on his own as an artist. And he's kind of comeback ogling. He needs the money. And this all happens the same day that Kira, aka Livia Newton. John comes to life on this mural. She skates up to him on the boardwalk of Los Angeles. Some beach kisses him in disappears. And he spends the next day searching for her because she appeared on an album cover, which somehow this guy is shooting. This building a photo of this building for an album cover, and she comes swishing by makes it into one of his shots, like his cameras able to capture her within by per crystal clear. And so he sees her on the album cover was like that girl kissed me, I'm gonna go find her, and he finds her several times. Yes. But he also along the way. Guess who finds my man? In latest role yet. His last role yet, Gene Kelly my man in his swansong of a performance playing a one time big band clarinetist, who now plays the clarinet on the beach in his spare time, somehow became a millionaire and just play the clarinet and swimming. And he wants to open a nightclub to bring back the days of the forties when he really felt like he had a purpose in a dream because we know how well that works out for people when you try to open up a business that is no longer a part of society. But yeah, uh-huh. But it's his dream and he's had realtors looking for two years to find a place. Never happy. And he was also heartbroken in the nineteen forties. By a woman who looks surprisingly like Olivia Newton, Jen of, oh, when he meets her presently teaches can't can't put his finger on how he might know her never figures it out. In fact. No never. Even though he has photos in his living room. They end that sunny immediately makes the connection that they look the same. And yet, he somehow that never amount to anything. No so sunny comes skating, into clarinet players life. And he's like, hey sunny, we have some nice witty banter that we, we say something the other person laughs and the. Perhaps, you can find me a building. Like why? Okay. Why me okay? And Kira takes him to this old rundown building actually, which is where he discovered KIRO one of the times. Yeah. He followed her, I believe she was skating in the building. She brings him back. And they go inside end. I guess magic but then there's also a scene of magic and we're maybe not sharing this in order, because so much of this plot is not like the order doesn't matter. No, there's also a scene where at his record company building. There's this very fancy technology where you like stand in the booth record a song in things will appear around you in the room. Yeah. To help inspire you while you sing. And even though they have very specific sets. Yes. These things include the rooftop of an apartment building in a city, skyline lots of stars of beach setup. What else is there? Yeah. The beach setup included a blow up trees. At one point they start to fly on their roller skates. Yeah. Kind of like LaLa land, which is one of the nicest things you can say about this movie. They're just roller skating around in there. Yeah. Falling in love, maybe hard to say, but she doesn't want him to kiss her. But. But eventually they decide they're in love. Yes, they do decide that that's true. But clear. Yes, she's giving mixing knows, for sure. For sure they decide to do construction on this auditory him, Gene Kelly, while a K, Danny McGuire decides to have a toast of really nice champagne every week of construction. Cash. What other gyms in the middle of this movie if I forgetting before this really comes to a close it gets a little plot heavy at the end of. Day. Oh my gosh. Yeah. If your Wednesday when it's really Tuesday just agree to keep the job, it doesn't matter if it's true, or if it's real art, just do it, which I understand what she meant by that. But what she did not mean for sunny to then, repeat that several times to his boss. Yeah. I'll say it's too. It's too big deal. Telemit's wednesday. What does it cost on? Truth to SCO in there in agree with. That's all he wants you administrator, Tuesday's Wednesday. Every day of the week Tuesday's Wednesday interest while we're at it. How would you describe sunny? Played by the actor Michael Becker. Yes. Sunny like I said earlier, he was there. He really was. And he, he looked the part, he looked like prince charming. He looks like the guy the boyfriend thirteen going on thirty Mark Roe hockey player. No, the hockey player the guy she's dating. And then, yes. And also, he looks kinda like a contestant who's currently on the bachelorette. By the time comes out. I'm not watching, but I do have Twitter and following a bachelor and bachelorette accounts to get those notices got it. He's a good looking dude with a lot of hair. You know. But it's the so that's normal. Nice solid knows. But he is just like his acting was. I mean just no emotion. And it's so hard. Because somehow he ended up with the worst dialogue in the entire film, like there are certain lines that he would say, I was like that's a hundred percent not necessary for you to say that. Like I knew that without you saying getting, and I'm not one hundred percent. Sure, how he got stuck with all of that. Because everybody had a little bit of that. But like he had though worst. Yeah. I'm sorry. Excuse me. I'm sorry. I disturbed you, I tried to be quite from. You've been standing there. Did if you savings, she'll be funnel stood you pay beautifully. This is the first time I've cared about what a painted in a long time. That's a shame. It must be frustrating to waste talents on things. Too many met teeth. Guardians gay to me, she take long lunch hours. Someone could beach, Gene, Kelly AK, Danny McGuire decides to invite Sonny Malone to be his business partner in this hour Asian that they are calling xanadu that is going to be a roller disco. There's the name was also decided by eleven jump. Yes. And there's a very important scene. Where they're both envisioning what this roller disco will be actually what this nightclub at the time not a roller disco yet. And the song cuts back and forth between nineteen forties. Big band swing. Which is gene Kelly's vision of it. In sonny's vision of it is like late seventies hair medal dance club. Yeah. And there's like a mishmash yet and together they come at the end. In combined into one, it truly is something glorious, I think, so, I don't there many things in this film, I have questions about in fact, I would say this foam raises more questions than the answers. Anyway. Perhaps the seeing that raises the most questions. Is the scene, where Curatolo? Sunny that she's one of the nine muses of ignorant Greek mythology which she convinces him of, by manipulating the words in a dictionary in making the TV talk to him. Yes. And then she disappears in a beam of light. And eventually, you know, sunny sad about this because he loves her. And she admits that she loves him even though she's not supposed to love anybody. Because she's supposed to help people like Shakespeare in Michelangelo and sunny. Par. Yeah. And he finds her because he finds the mural, so he backs up and roller skates it the mural in ends up where. Tell us Kyla because I don't know the place where Zeus and all of them live Olympia, but kind of it looks like he's stuck like in the internet. According to the eighties internet. Yeah. That's what it looked like. But anyways, what's her name was there? Kierra, and she glows. She is a ni- yet, I lied her around her, and you can hear Zeus and his wife. Heya though. Never named. That's what she is in. Greek mythology. Yeah. And so they talk and he's like I love you Keira. I'm taking you back with me. How did you get here? No one's ever got. No one can come here. No one's ever. And this is like you cannot go and she's like, but I I love him. I love him. What's a feeling? The one funny part, though, that I did enjoy was them trying to remember what some words mean 'cause it did make sense. Who's like, okay. I suppose you can go for a moment, or is it forever? I keep forgetting because time means nothing to them. And I forget what the other ones were. But that made me chick. Yes, these voices coming from on high. So they send sunny away in, in a single take a Livia Newton John things wholesome about how she loves him. And it changes use in Harris mind. And they're like, okay, I guess you can go good thing because it's xanadu opening night. Yeah. And she's apparently, and all for sisters to. And so it begins with a hubbub of many people in wild outfits, which we also forgot about the. The Gene, Kelly Miller monta. Oh my. And this is the second part of it. So earlier in the movie, Gene, Kelly, like I don't know what I'm gonna wear does. And so the three of them go to this, like cuss tomb store to no, they call it the glitz and glitter door. You need to go to deliver factory or. He tries outfit after outfit with everyone in the store. Pyan how these from behind closets and dressing rooms and. And little did you know this is foreshadowing the for the big finale, where Livia Newton John inner eight sisters. Change clothes about six times with no explanation. She goes from seventies disco, Queen to country song full leopard prints. I just I it's amazing. It is amazing. Yeah, she leaves. But then, guess what, she's the waitress? The new. Minute says the end. And he was, like, so unfazed by her coming back. He was unfazed by nothing in well, yeah. Yeah. Nothing nothing. Got to him. So that xanadu. As best we know. And you know what else we forgot we forgot about the animated sequence own. There's an I'd say. We're studying curator into. Yeah. And birds and. I just did. Why do you know what I read that they did that because they wanted to include that song? And it was just easier to incorporate that way, then to figure out how to fit in with, like the plot. Which, I mean, if if you think that fitting in random animated sequence makes sense? More sense than just having them. Sing a song. I don't know maybe on roller skates than I that says, a lot, I think about this film overall. Kyla? I'm just I'm at a loss for all things. And I was just trying to think of lake by ever seen a movie like this. No, I have never seen a movie like this before. And yet there's something about it like. That was. So you could tell everything was thought through. What you get. Well, here's, here's what here's a the best analogy, I can think of. Let's say you get invited to a really nice dinner party. And you get over there in the host says okay, everybody thinks coming. Here's tonight's menu. For an appetizer. We're gonna have banana bread for the main course we're gonna have banana, pancakes in for dessert. We're gonna have banana cream pie and banana popsicles. And you're like, okay, I can tell you put a lot sought into this. There's a well-structured team. And you did all of this intentionally, but, like also pudding. Like what? And just like the thing like I just at many points of this film, I just had this, like giant grin of shock on my face, like this is a real movie, and like somebody green lit this and somebody paid for this. And this is a real movie that exists in our universe. And how did this get made? I mean yeah I hear ya. Honestly, as I was watching the movie, I said, repeatedly out loud in frustration checking the clock. This movie is so bad. Because like every time a new dance singing sequence started. I was like how when is this are they done? I mean it was just it just nothing was built for. Okay. Well, at least I can find out how it ends. I mean. It was bad. I'm like. Yeah, it was so bad. But can I tell you something else? Please. I think I loved the smoky. Oh my gosh. How did you love it? How it was. He that so bad. It was good. It just like checked. So many boxes for me, Gene, Kelly musical, way over the top crazy fashion actually pretty good music, if you separate it from a bonkers story. It's also a story about a creative person who's, like trying to find their inspiration. Which is a story, arc I love. Spray shin than turns him into a nightclub owner. Oh my gosh. Kyla this movie is so bad. But I wanna watch it like four more times. Okay. Everyone. I know. I did see it actually on a list of like movies that are so bad. Like they're fun to watch my God. This is it. And it was on a list with host the other one, something that we covered. Oh, right. It was its cult following was compared to that valley of the dolls. But I'm like, I love valley of the dolls. It was not so bad. It was good wasn't it? I mean she did take that women's wig, and throw it down the toilet, which is funny, and she's on all the dolls in her dolls pills, a Frenchman who didn't listen to that ups owed. But also this movie had. Gene, Kelly roller skating, which is most bananas combination of. Like, I know one needed this movie no-one anything in this movie, and yet someone many people took a lot of time to carefully in artistically, make this bonkers thing. This was the first movie Libyan Newton John did after Greece. Yeah. This is the last movie Gene Kelly ever did like what in the world like there is so much about this movie. That is insane. Please tell me how got made. Well, one I have no idea. But to here's what I learned from journal classic movies. It's actually a remake. It's a remake of the Rita, Hayworth film downturn earth, which came out in nineteen forty seven and it's about the muse of dance who falls in love with immortal. Yes. So kind of the same premise. No roller skating involved as far as. I know what's the point? And it was actually originally going to be a low budget disco roller skating film, because that was a super popular thing at the time rolling Sosa. Fuck what a time capsule roller discos. But the budget got up when they gotta live Newton John to ten million dollars. And then it eventually ended up at twenty million dollars. Don't ask me how my word fun fact. Gene. Kelly said he would only be in this movie if he didn't have to dance. He dances in roller skates through this whole thing movie, I don't know. This was his last dramatic role. So their ego it did end up making back. It's twenty million dollar budget. It earned twenty two point eight million. Box office. Okay. So it just barely made back that budget as you might expect it didn't get great reviews. No. Roger Ebert said it was a Moshi and limp musical fantasy so insubstantial. It keeps Evaporating before our eyes. It's one of those rare movies in, which every scene seems to be the final scene. It's all ins in. No beginnings right up to the actual end, which is a cheat. And. I just that's boy is that accurate. I don't know how to describe this movie, but maybe that's the best way you came. They did actually use a real auditorium to film, the exterior 's of xanadu. It was called Pan Pacific auditorium, and the Pacific classic the pain at grand prix pace if grind championship. And this was not the interior when you actually see in tears movies those had to be built because the city of Los Angeles would not allow them to go inside and shoot. It. But it wasn't a conic art deco landmark, and sadly, it ended up earning down in the nineteen nineties. Yeah. So you can't go see it today. So this movie is really where the legacy of this out of Taurean Zahn, don't say, don't say, but where the legacy of this movie really lives on is in the music, the soundtrack went double platinum in the United States. And that's because Livia Newton John really she turned these into some of her classic hits magic suddenly and xanadu. Yeah. I mean, the is pretty fun. Honestly, I know I agree. I was listening to the soundtrack on the way home, laughing and thinking, how did this movie? But as you might expect the music could not save this film. And in fact, it's other legacy is something you are probably more familiar with in the legacy of Hollywood. Yeah, it inspired the Razzies. Which, you know, are the awards that happened around the same time as the Oscars to say, who is the worst in film this year, which our friend Melissa McCarthy was nominated for an Oscar and a Razzie in the same year which is two different roles. Yeah. Anyways, Michael Beck. Our beloved a Sonny Malone was nominated for this role in xanadu, and that was his first in two of two nominations, by no, what was the other one. I don't know. Let's see. Let's see. I think it was that warrior movie mega-force, which came out in nineteen eighty two were supporting actor. Yes. So he he didn't do so well in his career. Yes. And good catch on his name. I think I called him Michael Becker earlier. Oh, yeah. It's Michael back. All right. Michael beck. But guess what? Michael Beck into too terribly. Because Taylor, I don't know if you saw this, but guess what show he starred in three episodes of? Oh my gosh. Was it murder? She wrote ES. It was I told you, there is a connection every episode of our show actually that's not how I said it. But I'm saying it now. Yes. So he did get to star in murder. She wrote so good for him there, three separate roles different years, this movie literally, inspired the Razzies. You guys. That's the whole bad. I mean it is just infamously terrible. And there was another movie that came out that same year. Apparently the two of them were both so terrible. And this is the one that really ended up taking most of the awards at the Razzies called can't stop the music of pseudo, autobiography of discos. The village people. Directed by Nancy Walker who plays Rodas mum on the Mary Tyler Moore show. What another strange connection a pass topic. So here's what I was wondering, and I wonder this about flops when they happen, like. Do the stars of the of the movies today. Like realize that's a flop, and why it's a flop, and then it should have been a flop, because some of these movies that come out, I just think are you so out of touch that you're you're in like what happened. So a living John, not out of touch, she knew. And I found interview of her from nineteen ninety five and Michael Beck like he was being interviews, like, right before just via phone and then via Newton John just talks a little more about. You know what this movie meant to her? Did you realize at the time when you were making this strip rewriting was going on that things are beginning to fall apart? I kind of had a clue win. We arrived one morning, and the directed we had lines before he came in with new lines. Thank him. In said that nobody liked them and send us home. I mean it was it was very bad. The writing was not good that the story had no. And the direct was writing the script s wind along. And then last one day. This is the crunch. I kind of got a clue from this one. I asked him what kind of music? He liked dot music. This is a musical. To that one. No. The story, the story, the music was very good about the music. It was fabulous. You'll oh and, and the dancing was great. Can you take it to the cargo fee? And there was if you look at now even this stuff that's very new in it. But the dialogue was diet dot. Dr under storyline. Didn't work on the I. How did you cope with this bombing? Well, actually, it was all right. Because I'm at my husband. And so I think that kind of made up for he's my now husband wasn't thin. But. I guess it was disappointing but the music did will the album Tidwell. So I kind of set aside myself, the total fare Phillies. Phillies chain Kelly, we'll keep you better than. What a time to be alive. Jim Kelly him so jealous. So she was very aware. I mean they were writing and rewriting the script as they went. She news bad, but she, you know, the album did well, and she was the main singer on it. So I'm sure she saw plenty of revenue from that ironically enough, though, the husband talks about they actually got divorced later that year that she was in that she was interviewed. Okay. Interesting timing, but anyway, I thought it was just interesting to hear from her just be like, yeah, it was bad. Gene, Kelly almost of the same thing. He said, the concept was marvelous. But it just didn't come off. Yeah. So I did find just just some glorious trivia that. I think really encapsulates all even talking about. Are you ready for some trivia? Oh, yes, please. So our fringing Kelly speaking of he took the part of Danny McGuire because filming was a short drive from his Beverly Hills home. Honestly it shows. Michael Beck didn't have to audition for the lead in this film that again, it shows John Travolta actually turned down the role of Sonny Malone, how different with this movie have been if it were John Travolta, plane sunny. I mean, it would have been better question. I think it would have because he could actually act and of would have been magic to see John Travolta in a Levin John together again after Greece. Yeah, I don't just say and famously receives the one sentence review in a word Zanna. Don't. Even if it didn't I love that pun. I love that as well. Plan words, I should say, Joel silver notoriously held one of the screenwriters to ransom for three days against his will the son of wooden deliver. He said, so I locked them in. Well, he still didn't liver gosh, that explain so much. Giant, lock was written under duress. Yes, it was. Dia. Oh my gosh. Gene, Kelly's character in require had the same name as his character in covergirl from nineteen forty four no wonder that's a millionaire. Millier. In my head. I was poise. Maim. Sounds perfect for him. That's why. No that one guy. What about better, gene? Kelly move there. Anyway. What about this win the queer Agra fee in the Gene, Kelly, choreographed, whenever you're away from me is nearly identical to the choreography in the title number from for me, and my gal from nineteen forty two in which he started with Judy Garland. Who I need to watch that one? Yeah. I didn't like walk to double check. But. Oh seem, I'm happy to take that one for. Things today. Yes. So basically Gene, Kelly was like, it's a short drive from my house, the same name as an old character. I won't have to learn new dance number. Sure. Why not? Eighty and just another fun fact tied in with that. So this movie is a remake of a Rita Hayworth movie he started and covergirl with Rita Hayworth. Which is where he was also named Danny McGuire. So if I don't know they're just feels like a nice parallel there. Uh-huh. Okay. Well, final fun fact. The film was actually dected into a Broadway musicale after all of its terribleness, it was, and people are like that seems really dumb, but actually, the musical was a satire of the movie. So a people liked it open to seven nominated for several Tony's and included. Jane Perkowski in the cast, whom you might know from thirty rock or unbreakable, Kimmy Schmidt. Is that the blonde chick? Cool. Somehow, I have no trouble imagining her in that role. Yeah. And there are some slight tweaks apparently in this version, the story of the musical focuses on Greek muse, Cleo, who descends from out Olympics to Venice Beach, California, nineteen eighty on a quest to inspire a struggling artist to achieve the greatest creation of his life, a roller disco. So in this version, I guess, sonny's dream is a roller disco. Now, the big band clarinetist stream. There is something else important to know about this play a huh. Someone very important to us has seen it. Can you hear me Amy, Amy Sherman palladino with the hats? Indian palladino though. We're not sure whether or not with a hat they went to go season do on Broadway. And apparently they loved it so much. They bid three hundred dollars for xanadu teddy bear at a charity. Auction immediately after the performance. Yes. And according to Mike Las yellow before you ask. Yes. Any was wearing one of her John Norma's? Dr Seuss sets. Thank you on brand, drew TVD on whether or not, Dan palladino. It was wearing a hat. So Amy, Sharon palladino. She knew about Sindhu. Well, obviously bef- when before this upset aired, but it has continued to be a part of her regular vocabulary because I found couple articles where she references Anna do when about Marvel's. Mrs mazel. So on an article from a news. She said that she was inspired to create marvels, MRs Mazel, xanadu, only not all because of Anna do everything about it. I mean, there's so much roller skating and MRs Mazel amazing, but. Like, little eighty just there, sorry, keep going. Oh, so. I've got to get out. Got to get out of here. Okay. Amos your impel Dino was inspired by all the stories dad would tell her about New York City and 'cause she grew up in. Elsewhere, but she said. She said it just seemed like a very exotic sort of fanciful xanadu, like New York, people took subways. It was just crazy. Gosh. So, like, she, she continues to reference Anna do, like this is legit. And then another article with the writers guild of America, West aren't all of them west. I'm just saying, but there's also in east. Okay. In last year. And the atrium Daniel palladino were both talking about working on the EMS. I'm prime as opposed to working for like network. And so the interviewer was like seems to be a freedom of structure, and also links all the ups odes are like about the same running time. But it does vary which I noticed as yes, what is it like having to fit your story into a one hour network? Timeslot SP. Oh my gosh. Xanadu it's effing. Xanadu. Oh, it's so mazing time to think about some of the argument about act breaks, because, on Gilmore act breaks were all about selling soap, you gotta meet that act break sell some tampons. So they will just went on to be like. Yeah, we cut it. We get a to their link. She says it's xanadu being able to have whatever linked she wants which I guess it just feels like so foreign and crazy to her to be able to have that freedom. And so that is to her, like xanadu. I don't know maybe that'll help us as we fit this in the world girls. I hope so honestly, we've been talking about the new so long. I forgot what this podcast felt. Felt. Oh, so are you ready to talk about how Zanu fits into the world of stars hollow? I think I've been trapped in a dark room with electric lights in sparkling stars. And I just got pulled out of the mural wall to be reminded with the real world is. Yeah. Let's talk about it. Do you have more to say on that Taylor? Just I've had an experience with this film. Yeah. So xanadu is is. It's a place in the movie, but the movie entirely just in and of itself is. Is just it's insanity. It's anything and everything, but even the even down to the place of Anna do within the film. I mean they're changing costumes without missing a note. So it's also just too big x that appears on the screen, and then all of a sudden, they're outfits have changed, and no one seems to notice. Yeah, the measure has happened. There's also a Gene, Kelly makeover montage. Yeah. And let's not forget that Gene, Kelly plays a man who's been his free time as a millionaire playing the clear net on the. We'd pan stream is to open a ruler. Tisco. Just. Questions about how in the world. Why did cure on the muses decided they needed to help sunny in Danny? They've helped Michelangelo in William Shakespeare and Beethoven and Beethoven's. Ovan. I'm so confused by so many I just this movie is, so it's a thing and see. And I think that's the whole point. What, what does it mean? And it almost feels strange to bring it back to Gilmore girls because it is so completely unlike Gilmore girls. And so. It. They just feel. It's feels very weird to go from talking about xanadu to talking about Gilmore girls. But that's, that's what we're supposed to do here. The. Nitrous also because this movie something that exists in the same world that someone made Gilmore girls like in nineteen seventy nine they filmed, this movie, and then approximately twenty years later, someone else came up with a mother daughter, TV show. And these two things happened in the same world with people alive. At the same time. You know what else came out in nineteen seventy nine what alien? Yeah. I've never talked in this high pitched voice so often. I'm so just I guys everyone. I want all of you to watch this movie and please enjoy this bananas, confection of a dinner party and be baffled with us. Yeah. So basically, it's crazy. Roy wasn't making sense, when talking to Francy. And so that, that's I don't know if it was in do level of insane. What she was doing. No, no. Sick. Burn by free NC. But actual. Real world level. Bit of an exaggeration. Yeah. Sick burned by Francy, but pure hyperbole nowhere in the ballpark. No, there are many more bizarre. Conversations had on the show even. The are, are Morzine to level of insane. Your boobs are totally bigger than mine. That is also a conversation that happens on Gilmore girls. Full more crazy. Yeah. So it kind of feels nice to say the Francey you're exaggerating comb down. Yeah, a little Miller Matic. Honestly, this may be more reflection of free NC than of Rory. Yeah. And maybe this tells us that secretly Francey loves do. Honestly, I would love if that was a true fact about her. Can we make that Kannan? Okay. Sure. But how weird would it be if you met someone and they were like zander's, my favorite movie? I watch it every weekend. How I go to sleep at night? It's how wake up in the morning. Kyla? I don't know. Give me some time we. Because as one of the co founders of the Razzie awards, Moammer fee said the key xanadu is it was enjoyable in a way, that was not intended. He was a failure as film -serily as entertainment. Oh. Oh boy. So kyle. So taylor. That's our show. That's show. Oh my gosh. Pointing an exhausting turn of events. We dance we roller skated. We saying we jumped. We went to a mythological place. Can I share? One last fun fact for you about this movie and its connection to Gilmore girls. One of the choreographers for this movie was Kenny Ortega, who directed several episodes of Gilmore girls including one of our favorites. They shoot gilmore's, don't they? Oh, how fitting yes, Kenny Ortega. Great Criag, refer also director of the high school musical films. This guy is super town. Did just maybe shouldn't have used his talents in this? You know to be fair. It seems like a lot of people were duped demeanor into this movie. Yeah. So you watch it. Let us know. Gosh, I need to talk. The whole props to you, if you do, but sign up for tiny letter guys. And we'll send you plenty of roller skating gifts Tyler dot com slash so to show link is in the description of this episode find some Twitter. So it's a show Email us all your thoughts feelings an mysteries that you want us to solve to Sosa show at G MOVA, come is Anna, don't forget to do that. Never again gonna start saying the literally all the time. See. Don't not believe me when I say that. Here's furniture. 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Ep.005 Matt Pinfield

Chachi Loves Everybody

1:27:52 hr | 1 year ago

Ep.005 Matt Pinfield

"He Goes Matt on the air. I mean. What are you doing so the producer Rick Hanky? And then they had artists and I think it was kind of Lorne. Levin I think the British woman. WHO's I love, but at the time they didn't think the world is ready for a short. Bald Guy. Still, not sure yeah. I don't think so. Come, president, Dave CIANCI Dennis loves radio and all of his radio friend. Hey everybody because shot. She loves everybody. Matt Kim Field who I get to see almost every week. Come down the halls Ben's town because he records here with Kevin. WHO's the producer of Chachi loves. Everybody is also the producer of a much bigger and more successful show called flashback that Matt is the host of you know it's amazing. We're hitting our ninth year CIANCI. which is in January. Has It really been online years? Which is great? Great that really is great. That's I. met you then nine years ago? If you would've asked me I thought. Maybe it's been like five in never thought it hits nine the last week of January which is raised well. Let's get into the we. We have an icebreaker and we ask everyone with their favorite drink is and so, what? What do we have here that you are? It's a very large tall. Brought it because I was recording some other radio stuff earlier today it's a I got the big. What is it called? Frente? Whatever the biggest thing, but it's unsweetened green tea lemonade iced because I love ice drinks. I mean even coffee. When it's zero degree weather. When are you doing my morning? Show in? New York City. I would get up I. GET OUT OF A path train down the world trade. Center before I jumped in a cab to go up to Were Hot, ninety seven everywhere right there, the stations and I Would go to either starbucks or Dunkin donuts and get. BLACK IS NOT A. Not by coffee actually. In zero degree weather zero crazy. You still love it. I love ice drinks, too, and that's I think in American thing. Largely you go to Europe and they are actually like. Why do you want ice in your? And if you put ice in it, it's it's like to ice cube and it just seems like he's been sitting around for four days I love. Is So you develop? The taste is tea as a kid growing up or no green tea I discovered obviously from going to a Asian restaurants and when they made. They made it available with lemonade I just give it a try. One day. It was a hybrid thing they didn't and that's an ordering. Coffee that her ice black coffee isn't lemonade ICED tea. That's an Arnold Palmer right. Yeah, it is, it is, but it's usually black T.. A different shade of Arnold Palmer. Restaurante Amount Penfield. Dog. Chachi into. It's great to be here with you today, but it's great to be here with you. I'm going to dive right in your careers. Just been amazing and incredible story. Tell me about being a kid. You know as a kid I I loved radio. I'm in discovering music when I was. Very. Young, you know like three years old by that was a schoolteacher, you know. My mom was a stay at home. Mom with three kids eventually went back to. You know doing secretary work over at Rutgers University, but I'm so that I would get a break on my college. Tuition GonNa get there, but you know which which is that kind of break was like basically all your college tuition, which was a cool thing, but. So. I was at three years old. My parents bought a used record player with a bunch of forty fives, and my brother and sister and get forty five, so at the time I was three. I was sitting to the you know the Beatles and the stones and motown. I loved all of your data big. Did he like Music Music Music? You know even performed with that Guy Frankie Laine when he was in the Marines, but it was not, he wasn't really any kind of rock and roll thing. I mean he kind of. He discovered that through his children okay. There was more of a generation gap in those periods of the nineteen sixties. Like different music basically sear Iraq, and out yet doesn't quite quite understand. He was supportive always whether he understood what I was doing or not, but he he was always incredibly supportive. He built my first stereo by hand with the transistor's, with the knobs, and shellacked the would himself is my my God darrow. He built a picture of that by any chance. No, in fact, I'm very upset when you're young. You're like ever I WANNA get a new techniques you know and. And, then boy do I wish I had that now I'm sure my father passed in two thousand eight. I mean he also did something really great for me. I want it to be a disc jockey and wanted to be on the radio from the time. I was very young. Boy, I, you know. Since I was five I was glued to a transistor radio or radio now listening the WABC the top forty station in New York City because I was in central New Jersey. which is great because years later you know I got to you know meet. Cousin Brucie and he was a highlander. Love your worst. You should do some promos for and I went Brucie. That's crazy. 'cause I've been listening to the Houston has five. Over Sirius Xm, one time, but yeah, you know so I loved radio so much. I love music. So that was really what I wanted was an out playing with the other kids I was I wanted to be in front of a record player and I also wanted to be a disc jockey, so one of the cool things. My Dad did because he was a physics. Teacher is very smart That's how he had. He had older eighty impressive. That's what he did, so he was also the head of the audiovisual department. East Brunswick High School in the in New Jersey. Okay so and so he ended up. He had this this catalog that had a way to build a cheap. AM transmitter right a broadcast about a block, so you know. He ordered the parts. We beat up radio, shack odes to beat up turntables or a cheap radio shack mixer couple. And me and my friends went on rainy days would do radio shows I. Give them fake names, because everybody like was a cousin. Brucie or somebody else. Listen to Dan. Ingram or all these other guys in New, York, city, and basically do shows and one guy. Isn't it funny? One guy would run down the street and see how far we thought we were so cool because we're always up at the top of the dial. Team plus. The only went like a block, but we were still on the radio. Your own little pirate radio. Pirate station. It was real hard. What a blast! Now! Any friends that you were doing this with. Did they go onto being radios? Well? No, they didn't, but I'm still friends with a lot of those guys and most people never forget it because it was just a cool kind of neat unique thing that your your friend and your neighbor was sure your siblings were they into radio at all. Oh love listening to it. Obviously, you know it's interesting because you know. They listened to top forty when they were kids. And then you know I remember my brother in one, thousand, nine, hundred seventy. Before they like had FM In most cars, he had one of those transformers. It was you put in your? You put it in your glove compartment, and then you'd go all the way down to like eighty eight three. Okay on the FM dial and then you'd. You'd listen to w any W. FM in New York's near I'd never even heard of that before. Yeah, I'll does isn't that wild S- deficit that was and you listen to it through a mono am speaker, but it would be the FM station. So that's an Freeform FM was. Album rock radio back in the nineteen seventy. I remember him having it in his car and hearing wild world. Cat Stevens and he didn't WanNA. Get Out of the car got to hear the song and it was great. You know. Is Your Dad I? mean he obviously got to see you succeed to MTV he? Did you know so? He was very sick you. You Know My dad He was kind of a rough card. You know when he was younger, he had his first heart attack US twenty five, and he was marine officer. He fought in Korea. As Marine came back was promoted, went OCS school was a and then what happened was heart attack so young that he got an honorable discharge went back to college. College at the University of Georgia and studied physics I was born in Athens, Georgia, because of that I was born down there while he was m I. Sister was also born in Georgia. My brother was born before that in New Jersey so yeah, it's He had to start his whole career over ing because he had three kids I mean they were like. Like well, you should be a major physicists brilliant, and but he decided to teach because he had a family to take care of and but he was amazing, and he did a lot of really great creative things, and was very very helpful, even if he didn't like, I said he understand music. He still knew my love for radio and just was. Supportive find it so interesting, and I'd love to have you take a test on your intelligence, but I think you're highly highly intelligent, and just what you know about music, and your understanding of the entire business is incredible to me and that's something I want to get into a little bit deeper here in a second, but because you brought up your father and being studious and obviously very intelligent, I can see where you got it from. Yeah, well, he and my mom, you know my mom's eighty-seven and she is sharp attack as she's a four foot eleven little Irishwoman. From Jersey I admit she's very bright as well I mean. Her brother was a big CIA operative because he was so bright, they came into recruited him of high school so both sides of the family. There's like they're ver- Neymar both supported you going after. Tell me about rutgers I mean you know your mother work I mean? Yeah, you know. My mother was in order to help me out to go to school I mean she would? She went to so work there at rutgers. Obviously took care the tuition, but when I was sixteen I wanted to be on the radio and you when you're that close to major markets Philly in New York and there aren't a lot of stations in between a small state like New Jersey and if they were, they were more like beautiful music and Super Mellow. or Big Band or something like that I wanted to be on the radio so badly that you know. When I was sixteen, they had pledged drives at Rutgers University Radio Station W., ours you and my friends in school and high school with me. You know through me like a five. We pledge so I could go on for two hours and when I did I played out this show. The the you know, the chief announcer there and the program director we're going. And you are really good. You know you you really. You know so I tried to get on that summer, but I wasn't in school yet, so. About a year and a half later I was able to go on. You know when I went to school, but it was and then I didn't. Worked there wer the recreation for year you begin the music director there to clear for me, turned promotion director for verge certain period I. Mean had that feel when you finally got your I your first real big chance on the air. It was fantastic I. Mean I loved it? I love radio so much radios always been such a big part of my life i. mean you know when I was just over in Brazil? We're kind of rock and real. You know what I was listening to. Because the TV stations, we're all in Portuguese. Like all the stuff. There might be one and I got tired of. Of Looking at the all all the impeach trump stuff saying you know it's one story that runs a whole day I'm really boring not to say I mean I worked every day except for a couple of days we did tourists things, but you know what I would do at night I would listen to go on mixed cloud or Iheart and listen to Casey Kasem's countdown from nine, thousand, nine, hundred seventy s and early. You know way I love to listen to that stuff. I Love I, Love Radio I just and I love those those places where you can find old air checks wr shoe minority. ABC in New, York City as as a website attribute website called Music Radio seventy-seven Dot Com and there's air checks from all those years of the sixties and early seventies and man. I go on I. Love to listen to that stuff. Every couple of years I'll go back and go through those, but it's fascinating to me because. Keep any of your old air checks. You know other people have them and had been posted them on facebook and and we should put somebody to show notes if we can add loved it. There's some. There's some are really cool trifling. GITAI dollar mine a few years back at him, but God it's. To go back and listen. It's really funny. I was like I listened to some of that stuff. Okay, you have a great voice. I'm like well. It didn't always you know what I mean like, did you? You know just really. You're you're finding your flooding when you're young and radio, you know for sure, but it was. It was something that I loved so much. That I'm so grateful I was able to do. This is my thirty six year I starting at hundred doing radio. Professionally, so that's great graduate from Rutgers. Well I didn't actually graduate. I went right into work in a radio station so I never, I never graduated. Okay although I will say this. You're going to get a kick out of this. They? They're very proud of me so I'm mean their alumni magazine a lot. I was in there. you know there What are you? What are you call it? There you're vote, not the yearbook, but there every year. When they when they do have thing, they show a film to the new students that might. Orientation Orientation Yeah. I'm in the video with. James Gandolfini Callisto Flockhart Jane Now ski Oh my God. Who Else is an era Mario Batali was in there of course who I was friends with a bunch of people I mean you are to rutgers. What Bill? Gates was, too. I was at Harvard. That Bill Gates dropped out of you know. I just did because I had radio job, and I was spinning nightclubs believe it or not around there three or four nights a week. And you know it was really until this radio station signed on in Nineteen eighty-four. Basically, it had been a station that these two guys might Maroon Rich Robinson. Are we talking about w? H, H, CG yes, which was one six three? Was Jersey shore radio station? They turned it into like a Freeform FM station, which was leaning of course alternative, although played everything, but it became. became a station that you know. I was hired to do weekends. And then whenever our snowstorm happened a holiday I would say I'd raise my hand when they nobody else wanted to work I drive down route eighteen through a snowstorm I did break down one hundred eighteen on new. Year's Day, not a good time to walk like three miles with a gal before your shift Overnight. Miss this shift, right? And you can depend on all that nasty northeast weather. That's why I love living in California. You're on the air. You're also at that point. DJ, Jiang. It's the Melody Cannoli. Deal. It'd be. It's a becomes a pretty legendary placed. People came from all over the world and make everybody used to come. Hang out there whether you were like Trent resume from nine inch nails, or on Jovi why that would come by and hang out to not all the time, but I mean they would drop in. There was well known, so you gotta be I. Mean Your early twenties assuming at this time. I love it. I was I mean when I started in the club's was still. Drinking Age was eighteen nineteen when I went nineteen twenty one when I went to one, so it kind of went wrong. I want cross I don't drink anymore. Obviously, it started very young I was Gonna ask you that because I do want to get into times. Unfortunately, the podcast gets a little out of order. Ask when you kind of got your first taste club and you gotta believe at that time. I and I'm a little bit younger than you are, but I look back at that era and I'm like Oh. My God, it could not have. have been more fun time to live Oh. It was already seen. We had a blast I mean we did? It was a crazy party scene. You know the party was the early Jinyu yet was early ass throughout the eighties. I worked here for a long time, but I. also have one daughter born in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty six, and I mean the club was how I supported her, because I'm still doing weekends at the station. And even when I took over as music, director station in Nineteen, Ninety and then became program. Directors have after that You know I mean I still had to work two jobs. I still do like weddings and yeah. Let's do the club you had to do it because it was a mom and pop station and Asbury Park New Jersey in that market, great place in a great I I learned a lot there, and did a lot of great stuff with artists, and we really you know we we. We were different radio station, but before we were kind of got the station got really. Really well known there any. W would still come down and do their like You know they're big I forgot memorial. Day concerts right by the time I started running the station. We owned Asbury Park the fast lane. The Pony everything I mean I'm not saying this just because me. I'm just the station that built a real kind of credit following, and then it really what made sense was it was playing the rem's cures, and all the other the water boys. You know the indie bands. Or what you would call alternative or postmodern back then I. Mean what's Your Age had early eighties just kind of setting the senior a nightclub club? That's very popular. Jon Bon Jovi is hanging out there like at the pinnacle of his success. Only. Eighty seven, yeah, no, but it was amazing because I grew up in the town next to John and I used to work Ritchie's board tour player in a bar. Charlie's uncle and Richie was like it. Because we were at the the EMMYS grammys a few years back when Richie was still part of the band, and it was I was interviewing Richie and John and we're joking around and I go ritchie working at Charlie's uncle and he goes I go. Yeah. I was there Tuesday nights spinning new wave their Wednesday nights playing with your trio. He goes and Thursday nights and Friday night Saturday. Night's show and he goes Sunday nights. Acoustic and Jon Bon Jovi looks perching goes. Give brother another night. Was Pretty Funny. You know I thought you pinching yourself at this time or are you sound kind of you because you're working so hard? It still doesn't seem real right. You don't even have. You've got your your on air you. Dj Jiang. You're still making at this. Point me this. MTV finds you. How does that wall this all? Comes about When I became music director, all of a sudden, it changed. My life completely. That was the first phase of my life changing music director at Rutgers. Gee I mean there were certainly a lot of things we did at rutgers, but HDD was the difference because at that point, alternative music was really starting to bubble under and build a groundswell before then her von explosion. Also you know there was a lot you know so I was there doing it as music director going out to events and I met all the MTV people that were in music programming at these events, and some of them lived in lower, Manhattan or in Long Island where they could get our signal from the Jersey Shore. You couldn't get it in Manhattan. It was kind of like the same way that. Diori were big stations in the line of, but you clearly could mean. You're on the island of Manhattan so. You know they would I meet them out and he'd go. You don't love your station so the thing that happened for me for MTV was. There were also a couple issues I would like to back to back Gavin. Awards for alternative. Music Director of the year in ninety. Ninety one and nine. Gavin's were huge. I mean. How old are you at this point? How old am I at that point? I'm in my early thirties may crack thirty thirty. Yeah, you know around that period. Are you still on the air as well? I stayed on the air on the doing. At one point I was working seven days a week at the station, and during the night, because I didn't want to give up my weekend shift, even though it wasn't on the air during the week as music director so eventually, they were like Michael Butcher. who was a PD who came from HFS? said to me and you should. You should be doing mid days, so worked out. I started doing mid days. And then eventually did afternoon drive. When you do something Matt you go all in man. I'm not afraid to work hard. Yeah, no! That's the thing I. put my all my energy. Okay, so you're hanging out with the MTV crew. You guys the initial. Companies. Kurt Steph who works on a hundred and twenty minutes in all him in Louis Large needs to be a K. rockier and. It starts out. They say we know we love your station and Kurt Stomach. Ask You might have we call on track some alternative records with you because I can tell you a very honest guy, and you know if you feel that something's really working at least in your market, or if you feel like it's a lot of hype, go, do we re I? I just like to figure that into some some of our thinking just Okay, if we're on the fence about something so. So these are tracking records with me, and we built a friendship I met Lick Lewis Large out here in Los Angeles through the guys in the band drama and when he was first. We're GONNA K rock with Andy shown there right? I remember he was. He might have been poor man's You know on light might have been by the way. Do you hear that on a total tangent? But he called in on last show a week ago and finally I guess made amends. After twenty after being re sent them to his house. Exactly and that's something to be pissed off. Say I. Mean I apparently one of them cut the electricity. gessen listener cut the electricity. But Fat Fascinating Story! Sorry, but nobody great service. Those people listening was yeah things. Where had an argument about something? And then he said on the air he gave out his address, which is not something radio people would would really do not appreciate necessarily Buddy Kevin and bean or such great guys. Now you know just in Vegas, doing a presentation with. Andy shown earlier this week. Who you know of course. Being together and keep them. There are ward at the Radio Hall of fame right just the other night. So, let's go back. Go back you back at H.. T. G.. Okay, and he's doing this. Stuff with the MTV guys and I how I ended up on the air there is they awesome? Open an album network. Maybe it was remember when we had all the different rate music radio records. We had gathering network. Network Forty Hard report we every. Aren't are so of course Ardoz Great Barbecue but I. Such great. I miss the period of when there were five or six radio trades, because there's always something going on, but anyway to I unfortunately got an at the tail end, I had a good time and the you know the ninety and it kind of Wayne there but. I would have I honestly I would have loved to come in the exact same error that you were there. Yeah, I was very very blessed I mean I I love the opportunity. That I had an fae gave the woman who owned a radio station was very eccentric, but you know what was great was when Michael. Butcher came in there, just a backup a second he was going to just. Put! Give somebody else a music director job and she goes I. Think There's one more person you really have to meet Michael and then he met me and made me the music director, and like. I said that changed my trajectory that moment, because over sudden these radio record company people were like wow, man. He really loves music a cat. He's looking for reasons of try to play records not to not play the not only do you love it and I think certainly some criteria to be a music director, but know music honest to God Matt better than anyone. I've ever met in my thank you for. Standing girls and it's so diverse. It's not even a certain specific. I Love Eighties, rock music and I can talk about that intelligently or pop music, but you know I mean across the board because our I never Start to feel like Oh, I'm too old to listen to what's going on even and even in those early years. listened to every genre I I've found something good in every genre number, a guy from one of the main guys who did eight hundred epic was shocked when his alternative of Guy told him that that artist. Was Be that I thought she would be big. They have a big record. You gotta be Dave. Before the feel so high, and he was in shock that this alternative guy. was talking to him about like a Jazzy R&B. Record Right I'm just you know all right? Yeah, you know, so. I just yeah. I mean I, just love all all different types of music and I and you know there's two different types of music I said the goal king one day I said well. There's two different types of she goes. I really love the fact that you like everything I, said well. There's only two different types of music the music that moves you in the music two dozen. She goes I'm GONNA use that. I'm Lou still. She was really super cool, but now you're hanging. We still don't know. How ended, up on 'em. How do you end up on MTV? Here's what happens. I opened up an album network, and it mentions the Dave Kendall departing twenty minutes so I call upcourt Stephanie and I say to him and this this is not wasn't arrogant. It was more ignorance and and just so in some competence, but call them by, so he went up and what they've can. He goes well. It got blown out and I said. You need somebody like me to do that. Show who? Knows a music can view the artists and he goes well. I don't know if you'll be still be in the demo. That's pretty funny. 'cause been up on MTV. Years But Early, thirties at the. Very beginning of the thirties and he goes, but let me talk to. The boss is here and a call you back in a week and calls me back in an hour. I want you to come in for an audition, but it took a little while. Because one hundred twenty minutes was not a huge priority show for them, even though it was Uga influential. So. I go in. I never done TV before I got mouth 'cause. I'm a little nervous. Steve Leads who used to book ten. You Know He. He was the original headed talent there Ryan. The Mark Goodman Martha Quinn, days he came from a background of promoting radio now he's at Sirius Xm. He's their head of like. You know the talent booking for all okay right people that come in there but Steve decide was very supportive because he was working at polygram and probably door, and he came to my audition because he used that and the funny thing. My friend reminded me that any anymore and Morrissey shirt with a hole in the Idaho. There was a hole in the shelter. That's. Just being so authentic there you're. Just so real, so you're! Interviewing TV gig on MTV, which is. A. So influential. Ultimately you got. It was the biggest top forty station in the war, and you've not even been a major market. Jock at this Moineau in this respect. From New Jersey from three part so you know i. kind of did some tests breaks. I did some cool throws. Just told my background about myself music I. Mean Your Heart just. Yawning or it was weird I was. I was convinced I I had to do it, but I was a little cotton mouse. There's there's there were some nerves there. Definitely sure yeah. Little deer in headlights action. It's funny, because even my first show that I did. I filled in in ninety-three with depeche mode. Because at this point they were having artists hosted L. on two seconds. I want to hear this, but see you do this audition. Yeah, you. You Leave D-. Do you think you nailed it or you like oh? My God, I hope they like it. Okay so I get a copy of it sent to me on VHS. At you know so. I get to watch what it looks like Oh. You get to see it after I got to see it after. And it wasn't bad. I mean it wasn't bad so the thing, but what what I did. The first show I ever did. When did you get the call? I want to hear about this moment about well. The call was I got the call from Lauren. Levino the head of talent at that time, and she's British woman and she was She comes up later in the story he can be. What's what's really close. She goes look. We've been having artists hosted. Some are good. Some are bad. She goes, but dependable. Do not want to host their own episode, so here's chance when you come in and do the so I go in, so that was the call. Eighty three January one episode. It kind of sounds like. Depeche mode yeah. Having still you gotta be. What's the feeling? Are you real feelings amazing, but it's also. I'll tell you how it plays out, so it was I. Love doing it that day a little stiff, but not really when I look back at some of that footage. It's I was a little stiffer than I obviously was when I came back in ninety five, and was hosting regularly put in ninety three with depeche mode. Hardest part about it was. You know what he's pretty spans. Get off a plane a lot of times. They're jet lagged or they partied the whole night when they get out. Sure they gotta get a burly during a different time zone. So Dave Gahan, the singer was you know he was great? He was like engaging with me and Martin Gore. You know who's great songwriter keeper, but he was like. Look it off to the side out of it like I'm looking at him. I and my thinking is part. Look at me. You're going to kill the. Forty. Forty starts. So eventually. Get back into the conversation, but for years I've joked around with go. You almost killed my career. The first show. I mean outside of Martin based out. It went well. It definitely went well and I but it was. It was a new thing, so I remember going back to the melody and having to watch it. I watched it at the nightclub because it was spinning that night and we turn. We stop spending. We watched the show at midnight. Little you're calling your parents and telling them. They had to be so proud. I think they were I. Think you know I think you know they? They were I. Think my mom didn't understand it as much as my dad in the beginning like what it really meant. You know so It was I enjoyed doing it I. got a phone call from that woman luring Wien. And she says and I mean I love. Martin, Gordon, she goes. You did a great job with Martin bore. Cuba during accent and she goes this. We think he did a great job. We'll be talking to you more future, so I'm pretty excited and I hear from Andy Shown, and he invited me to his office at Mike Wow Maybe I'm getting this Gig or maybe you're sharing it with somebody I don't know like, but I mean if you're calling me up to MT building, right, this is this is awesome, and just so I know the order at this point. Andy's left here and. TV's MTV right guy, so he's left and Kevin. Weather is come up to her more. Come up to L. A. and and do do an K rock. Andy had met me at a barbecue at Kurtz Stomachs House, and he told he said this the other night, he said. I really liked you because you were saw fencing in cool. He goes I said. We've bring that guy in somehow do something with them, so I guess he was the one who obviously he was one who suggested at the Levin because it was his choice so when I get up to his office. He says to me like an anti superspy goes mad. He goes I just want you know how great a job he's look. We're going to have Louis l'argent do one hundred and twenty minutes warning US use a backup when he can't do it or something like that, which was a nice thing, okay? I also, it was also kind of a heart drop moment. So I had to go. Do an interview for Geffen records for quid who now is a partner in beats, headphones with Jimmy Andrey Luke and hired me to do an interview with this bank water boys from Scotland and and wells and my heart. Was it was something my my shoes I was walking down the streets of New York and man, but it was also because you know you go back home. If you were like well, what's up? Did you get it? And then you know it's like you gotta go back. I mean I wasn't planning on leaving the station anyway at that point in time, but I went back and the bottom line is when I was interviewed in in the press there about it I, said the exactly what he said to me. Well, you loose artists going to host the show I'm GONNA do. Backup I'll be a backup host for for them, but It was a great experience I kept it really. Cool that way, and then I would call Andy once a month and remember this is you know before emails and all that stuff? That I would call him once a month and leave my name on his call list. Because I wouldn't I wouldn't be a pain in the ass was an I knew better. You don't harass people because you know they're busy and you don't take things personally because people have other things going on in their lives that are in management and you know that I mean I know that from balloon personally and You eventually I'm at a dinner with the MTV The Music Department before Green Day Saturday night, live and. I just they were actually probably gluteus, working there and and Steven Hill. who end up running, bt they you know. They came from a radio at Brown. said to me, earlier mentioned. We're looking for PD. That might come up here and at this point I love what I was doing at age. CG But I I'd hit a wall. I mean one of the awards. We were rolling stone. We were one of their like small to medium market. league-best radio stations voted by fans. I mean we've done a lot of things, but it was time for me to make some kind of move right so and and like Tom Calderon who was at l.. A. R. D. R. E. Steve Leo's people were like you got to. You'RE GONNA. Go check out some other stations that actually have. Because, we were a little station. Our market didn't MBBS and beat s became very important to the record labels and support that they would give the radio stations shirt that point, so they reporting station. Yeah, was was. It means something today, but it really meant something you remember that something bad because it wasn't all the markets and You know. We I remember that I was at this dinner and I heard her say we're looking for somebody that might WanNa. BE PD at Brown. I'm like a be argue because was a college station, but it was. It was a paid Gig for program director, and for the people there over in Providence, and I said I might be interested in that she goes, are you? CAN YOU LEAVE HD g? Leaving CGI gotTa Work Three Jobs I. Working Three. I'm still spitting people's birthdays. Anniversaries check cheese. Yeah exactly well close to that. You know what I mean, but so. What happened was in I thought Oh. Man, then Andy calls me those. Recruiters leaving to go my music publishing Tracy Jordan's leaving for Motown, he goes. How would you like to be? In Our music department one of our one of our music. A ten people for the entire country, the world I basically coming out of New York City. To opportunities present themselves. Nervous because Patty was on the music department at MTV, but I thought well the she ever committed to Brown. She's to get somebody a guard rather not moved to Providence. If I don't have to stay insurance and work in New York, city, and you're still doing villainous twenty minutes. Yes, yes, how often are you filling in? Almost none none almost not at all, so there's the -til it was. On veto, he never wanted to really do it. In the first place he kept telling them to be. He goes on the air. Man, what are you doing and so did the producer Rick Hanky And then they had artists and I think it was kind of Lauren Levin I think the British woman. Who's who I love, but at the time. I think they weren't ready. I didn't think the world was ready for a short bald guy. You know what I mean I learned a lot about music. Think so. Yeah, it's fun. So anyway, so I go and I'm worried that Patty's going to hire me for Brown and I'm like, but I'd rather work. Still being the MTV music department. They call me together because not. Oh, sorry pay. You're worried about brown she goes. Are you kidding me this work? You need come here? So the craziest thing ever was. We were already decision was in a house The production studio was in the basement, and it was old equipment or sales office was in there. You had to walk through the owners kitchen I. Get it was it was in a house right and the M. NFL studios were out where the reception desk was. It was an house anyway. We have three phone lines, and this is like in the nineties. Okay early nineties. And I know Andy's going to call me and I'm like Oh my God. All the phone lines are taking up the sales departments on the phone and requests lines every CONAN. Finally Andy gets through and he goes In China call you for about an hour. Ago, man I'm so sorry Andy Go. We only have three lines here minutes. It's really crazy can hardly ever get on a phone. Well I'll tell you what why don't you come work for us and work with me and actually a more than three phone lines, and that was the caw, and now I went and became manager music programming at MTV, which was beautiful. What's the day to day to day is being manager of music programming. It was amazing because you know because I love so many different genres of music. The people that are there. Although, have expertise. Maybe in one genre, most of the people there would have to also understand pop top forty and all the other genres so year. I mean here's what it would be. It was always A. Committee of ten okay and. So Monday's was acquisitions day, so it's kind of in the same way that a music department you know like you know sat in on some of the K Rock Music Department meetings here in l., A. With Kevin weatherly in the folks here and. It's one of those things where you get all the acquisition, so you just like when the radio station where you play all the songs right in a row, and then you keep notes and see what things you might want to add, and if you have space all this week, or maybe it goes to a specialty show. That's what it was like so Mondays we get anywhere from thirty five fifty and we'd sit there from one in the afternoon and we would you know we'd? be fully video slowly produced videos come through and we go. That's great for one hundred twenty minutes. That was great for you. MTV wraps. Why don't we do that? One for jams on? You know what I mean. That one full rotation record you know what I mean that kind of thing. Did you have label reps coming to visit you much like at a radio station all the time all the time, but the difference was. In those early days, some of the reps were originally handled by different people in the departments had like. Like you represented Sony or Columbia? EPIC can maybe Warner's, or you know that kind of thing, but with me. It was I was always cut was greatest. Guy Like the large guy, so it was. I could deal with everybody you know, and everybody really did deal with everybody. Anyway I mean even over because that kind of didn't make as much sense, I thought I get why they wanted to have one person say we're calling everybody. When they were going to submit a new video, you had to represent but Yes, so we would do that and then the next day Tuesday's. We'd be an Andy's office and we would decide. which videos would you know whether whether they would be like all day parts? Lunar rotation right and you know, and then which things would be dropping. We would keep, so there'd be. That would be a pretty intense meeting because that's where you know. People are fighting for different things. But it was Everybody was really great and respectful each other and it was There is some classes moments. It was a beautiful learning experience sharing. I mean a perfect for you, obviously with your understanding and love of music and all genres to. I mean I love you know I am hip hop everything in the building now working in the music department, and how does one hundred twenty minutes come back? Are you still doing at this time? No, I mean, here's the thing. When I did my last radio show and HDD I did for eight hours to afternoon drive into May Day. Because you know I I really thought I was honestly I never thought I would do be able to do a radio show again professionally or a TV show I thought I was going to be behind the scenes, which was fine with me because you know it was I had a daughter, and it was going to be a raise obviously, and it was a great opportunity for me. That was national so I. Put all the EGO. It wasn't even just ego, but the love of doing radio aside, yes, and anything like that and just and plus I didn't want him to think. Think I had a hidden agenda to be on the air. Okay, so I never brought it up and all of a sudden a few months into me being there remember. I'm doing what they count relations, too. So I'm in the studio getting very comfortable, being around other people working and taking care of the artists as they come in and out of there, so this is right so now I, know everybody in the studio and the studio like the back of my hand. It's not like even the first two times I. was there so I? Get a call from Lawrence Wien Matt. OAC coming in, and they don't want to host their own episode. She goes I'll tell you what we're going to give you three weeks and see how it goes. So I do this thing with the ways, and I'm screwing around with him having a good time almost smack bonehead and the head of the one guy in the band because we were just words just having a good time. That's yeah. Yeah. You're right. Mean those that is very difficult interview. Missile you know I it was. Because I already have done so many interviews at this point at the radio station over the years together at this point. William wasn't there I wanna Qatar player, and it was no the first night so. An Omega I. It was so funny 'cause. Made like they, they started fighting over Manchester, city or Manchester United Soccer teams football teams so I. Look at the camera go. These? Guys are finish up and figure out who's team is better. We'll be back after this some more, so I was just having a good time was over the woman. Lawrence Wien who originally think didn't put me on. Because of my bald head came out and said I've done a complete one eighty. You need to be hosting the show every week after she saw watched me shoot the first episode with always. teleprompters scripted. Well there's parts of it that are because obviously you teleprompter to throw in and out of videos but a lot most. Interview stuff and everything else is all on the fly like I. Did everything all that stuff on the fly in the information about the videos, and that was the funny thing em to started MTV to which was channel, but right now it's a different. It's totally different. Channel, but when it started, it was an answer to the fact that they were putting so many reality shows on the regular TV so Tony to Santo used to come up to me, was one of the main programming guys and go? Hey, Matt, you know. We're looking for somebody like you a for the new channel. We're going to do 'em to and A. Couple of weeks ago, by comes up to me goes. To kinda like you might be able to put on the air there to. Stay. Right? So, like a few weeks later. He goes. You know we're having trouble finding somebody that's got the right vibe and then three weeks after that he goes. You're doing it so I was doing both MTV to and doing artist relations music. Yes, yes, oh! For, jobs at the time, I loved it. I loved being busy. You know what's Andy Shown said it to me the other night and I remember. Jim McGrath the president at the time. Saint Me, you know you've the highest at this point I mean I. Know Carson's probably the most popular vj there ever but they. She said to me like he was saying that he goes your at least number two. Two. You're up there because I remember Judy McGrath. Sane and Andy telling me that he heard this event Hoffler that 'cause Judy, said to me one night at Tom when she goes. Hey, Matt, you know it's pretty amazing, goes you the most popular VJ highs Q. Rating with the lease burn. She goes man i. told you that because I know, you're not going to try and put us over a barrel. She had a couple of cocktails, but I love her. You know they were so good to me. I think the thing that was great about them, is they? Let me be myself and. Which is something? That's a pretty amazingly rarely. You'll find in a situation like that so I was storm and Are you getting paid or you making good money? No can no, not really I mean I. Where do I sign when I got there because coming from a? Small market I'm like you know. Hey, what do you want me to do? I'll give you my first four sixteen born. But you know. I ended up going really well and the funny thing about him to was. We would only break twice in our and we talk about things we saw right before and what we come. What's coming up? And people go home got highly fit that much on a on a on a on a Carta cardboard like a like a big cardboard piece. If God Man House, how smart is that writing and then walk around just the name of the song and the artist, so that would be me just doing radio ad-libbing. Railway built really was a hybrid of Radio and television radio haired me for that. Yeah, that's why radios the great I. Mean I love Radio Still. So many great hosts of come out of Radio Dick Clark. Obviously, you're Ryan, seacrest. who started in radio and loved radio? Ryan loved radio and I. Mean God Ryan's? Machine, he's unbelievable. He's just so much of what he's able to do. How's your personal life at this time? How'd your daughter? What's what's going on? My daughter is young. You know she's probably? Let, me, think for a minute now. All right, so she's probably on eight, or she's nine. Okay and then not my first marriage. We got married way too young. We met each other at the club. It was not destined to we were just we were very different. People who are one thing when we were partying and we were younger, and she graduated college when we started seeing each other, but. You know we just. We were not interested really at all in the same things, but we you know obviously the mutual off our daughter, so we got divorced. And and you know that was that, but I but the important thing was the hardest part for me was being away from. My daughter hated that that part of it, but it's only. Where's your daughter? Still in New York or did they move? They were they were in Jersey. Whole Tigers. That's a first marriage. I got divorced twice. Okay. I'm very very close friends with my second. Ex Wife were very very tight and my nineteen year old daughter with hers is above. My daughters are amazing I. One daughter lives in New York City you know, and then I have another daughter who lives in Florida with her mom. And you know I have two beautiful daughters who are both really incredibly level headed I am so grateful. They didn't go down some of the road that I did when I was A. Party and getting out of control I just I couldn't be more grateful because I know from being you know in the program, and from knowing other adults who have children. You know Sometimes it doesn't work out that way. Sometimes it's the JOE will follow in the footsteps, and there's a lot of heartbreakers deaths of children. There's overdoses there's. Lots of things so I've been very very blessed. Yeah, I can tell you I'll congratulations I mean you should have. You're such a wonderful person and you've got nothing, but but love and I'm sure you raised them well. Maybe this kind of you to say you know absolutely. I mean I I'm very close to both my daughters. That's great. You're just overseeing the one in Florida right just EXCO. Yes, I was yeah, absolutely right. Right before that my other daughter was out here, visiting me from Brooklyn. Great now, so that's great that you're both of them, so is this at this time? I mean are living high in the life. You're adding TV. You're on the air. People recognizing you on the funniest thing in the world was because I was a big fish in a small pond in Jersey really well liked him. A recognized I was very grateful that. Because I came up things with the same even as program and Music Director as on air talent. You know I mean we really one of the things that I know that Bruce, springsteen really appreciated about down there, and you know Bruce Actually called my bosses Tom and Judy McGrath MTV and said you look out for that Guy I. Remember here's yeah. He goes I, remember they were. We were on our way to a page and plant. Show me the music department in a band at the meadowlands arena and I remember they start like making like. And her like. You. Going to take your feeling like what are you? What are you guys on about? What? What the fuck you guys saying you know and guys? Bruce called Bruce called Preston McGrath I'm like. That's on your behalf, and I go get the fuck Outta here. I really believe. I'm sorry about the language. Dot Cast. You see whatever so turns out. Yes, Bruce called the bosses told them I'm not from the corporate world. Make sure you look out for that guy. He's a good guy. And where did you meet him? I met well. He listened to me on the radio every day, because he lived down there in colts, neck and Robson in that area, so we loved the radio station I the money of the things. You really appreciate it was. The one of my philosophies down there is because there were so much homegrown talent was to you know put on some local music in their mixed in because perception is reality, and when people heard that next to you know a big band you know like they would like next to sting or something else they go. Oh, they're playing now near and they. You know we'll see them. But I also didn't you know the thing I always said this somebody you do that, but also he program you sandwich stuff that's on. You know recognizable with things that people know. Go crazy over the left. You gotTA. Make sure that you people are you great recognizable music and you introduce music, but you do it so that people can digest you don't overload them and you know it was that was a philosophy both programmers have. Bruce springsteen's now ordain you it, which is amazing and I ran into him. Right before that at a show, we were talking for a while and then. The best thing in the world was Lauren Levine the British woman who I told you think kept me off the Ebben put me on the air and I you know again. I love dearly this. Even now, but. She told me another story we're going to. Play like the academy and this is ninety. Let's guess this is ninety six and she goes. You know what Bruce was asked by again. The other night and I might. Talking about I go I go. He's already forgot who I am. She goes nope. We were. This is hilarious, so she he's rehearsing for the rock and Roll Hall of fame performance, and they're bringing us in vh. Music Department armies, if department our bosses. Diane, Sawyer or you know and and people like that to watch that Michael, Jackson video for that history compilation album one the video where like there's helicopters going around the statue of him so. You know Sony epic was You know having presentations of that and Sony Studios, which no longer exist by the way where there were a lot of great unplugged hardrock lives storytellers. and. She told me the story that they are leaving. So this is Judy McGrath. Frist and Van Toffler and she's with them. maybe Andy I'm not sure who is there probably all of them and they were leaving from watching that, and they they go around a corner and Bruce Banner Rehearsing for the Rock and Roll Hall of fame performance, and they walk in, and he's going through song and he stops. And Look, he turns around looks at them and Nina go ape bruce. How're you doing? He goes through good. He goes. You guys taking care of Infield. That's exactly what he said to them and he goes. Of course he goes all right and turned around just sorts playing on the song. God. Told me that a couple nights later and I was just blown away so I waited seven years to thank Bruce because eventually I ended working at Columbia records in our which I mean I jump. He had brought in the rising, and so if you're senior director, above and I got I was a senior director got promoted to vice president because I had some hit records as an our guy, but. You you could be there in the Sony Club when he brought the plate, and you'd sit, listen to a whole album their lyrics out. And then he came out, and said hi to everybody. We were shuffled by Bruce and I walked up to him, and I said Bruce. You are man I've been wanting to thank you for seven years for making for those nice things you said to my bosses, he goes. Hey, don't worry about that. Mean what do you think of the album? UNASSUMING you know like. Your. He was just. Did it because he wanted to pay him to. Endorse anything that he didn't really care about Bruce's. To, what a touching story! It was a beautiful story for me and well, let's and it's also home state the Jersey things I'm going to come back to kind of you. Live and high in the life and everything else, but let's talk. You brought about Colombia before. Columbia though I met you for the very first time when you're at farm club. Yes, and that was that project Jimmy Ivy. Yeah. It was so farm club came about because here. We are at the end of ninety nine. And my friend reaches out to me. Who produced one of my shows? It was called Matt Rock and it was very much like it was the It came after Bangers Ball. That's why so many people think. I hosted head bangers ball because it was like that I mean throw hosted that in one twenty hosted the show called Matt Rock, which basically was my version of head, bangers ball, but had all crazy cool graphics like a horror film and. Who's really well done despite name Austin reading. Who now does you know like stuff adult swim? He produces TV shows directed movies. He's he's doing great and I love the Guy. He calls me up and goes. Hey, universes, new thing that handy is going to be doing. I'm hearing about with Jimmy. Ivy Am I really what is it? And they told me about farm clubs I I wrote a letter to Andy and just said. Hey, you know I'd really love to be involved with this I. Think this really great and You know I got flown out by Jimmy seen I remember I I remember there was there was something where I didn't bring my driver's license, but I had my passport on me, so I got there and they were GonNa get me a a car and so Chris Kirkpatrick from in Cinco Him. He goes what you stuck. You need a ride. He such a been friends ever since he. Hits derided with. Roger from in sync, and since a great I mean, he says to me I was at was the pilot, but I remember they brought in a bunch of radio, people and auto working in San. Diego at this point came be, and somehow he ended up at that event. It was help here in La. Universal Studios. Studios. It was I think they sent like a limo or something for me car all the way from San Diego. Expand. It was a big deal. I remember coming up for it and I think I probably indulged in one too many cocktails on the limousine ride on Yeah Oh. It was unbelievable I mean I wasn't young. Here's the thing I was I'm not saying I wasn't drinking at the time but I wasn't drinking when I was on the air. Because you know, we had our dressing rooms and Ali Landry remember she was miss. USA does. So her Ann Arbor co-hosts. They had a yeah. You beautiful woman there. WHO's super cool? She was great to work with and. Look in order to Caprio of course. Those people who can't. Wear glasses. No, you know what's funny, so it was, it was a great experience I remember. They were shooting on a lot stage forty two. What was so crazy as they? You Stage Forty one for a party room. Room and like food and Sushi down like it was I never I never went in there because I was always working backed with beautiful women and beautiful food, all the playmates were coming here and you know the playmates were there like from playmates support stars to like. Yeah, even remember I like. Tim Armstrong for brand. Sit and you know I think who was it was? Maybe it was only guys from smash mouth, or are the other bands like right, Steve or somebody like that going? This is the best party in La TV show. So unbelievable because we you know, we were always working inside and it was incredibly. It was so incredibly done I. Mean We love the show. It was just I. Remember it was selling so many CD's that me and Dr Dre or in a picture on the cover of the business section of the New York Times. It was doing because he jimmy and Doug. Morris had this brilliant idea. To by the hour right after raw war when Ron were the two highest rated TV hours. That's when arresting was at a point. So we had a fifteen share coming in amazing, so you got to figure our first, half hour went from like a fifteen or thirteen to an aide. Maybe a four at the end, but it was still. We were the third highest rated cable show. I in cable, for like a long period of time, incredible, the amazing thing, though the thing that really turned out to be like the blessing that becomes curse. Is that. And we had eventually what was really cool. As it was for a while I was just universal artists right and then Andy shown had talked to polly anthony over at epic, or you know, and eventually warner brothers end Sony were bringing all their artists on the show, because it was selling CDs and you know and they and they were they they took a shot, and then everybody we had you to on there. I went to Dublin to their studio. Wimbledon interviewed the edge and Bono. Inner Studio looked out the window, and that's where they shot the video on the bog, and they were young kids for Gloria. You know like it was justice incredible experience. The show was great. The funniest story to tell people is and this is you're gonNA laugh at people like probably saying fuck you man, you know what I mean but I remember. Like, so I call in and I go. So, what am I? What do I have to today they go. We're sending a limo for you're going to go play volleyball with a playboy playmates on the beach in Malibu I'm like. She! That's really that's really tough. Work Man I. To you are such an Asshole, the limo that. That gets picked me up. Takes me to go. See you the limo that picks you up. You get to go see playmates play volley was whole areas, and then we did it one other time. We went out with a playmates to Catalina. Island from Long Beach and we went scuba diving out there together. And that was back and I'm like. What you you fuck, you asshole. Like you know what? Hey. I did it because I could be asked me to. Buy a deal with with playboys, so they deal with play by I mean it was incredible. So how did FARM CLUB END UP IN AIRS? Right well. Yeah, it was the problem was a lot of things starting to happen. At the same time, it was doing unbelievable right after we had our biggest show with you to live there and knows why cleft I think. I can't remember who else happened to be on that. Show that night, but We thought we were like Holy Shit. Look at this look how far we've come in a year. A little over a year and the next thing you know I. Hear Randy some ice here in Andy's office. It doesn't sound happy and from down the hallway. 'cause I had an office. You know working in NBC Universal Building up here. Right by Universal Studios and. Sure enough, we found out that our budget had been cut, but the thing that led up to it was it was a lot of bad things like started having a once, that was one of them. They cut our budget. We ended up shooting after that on city walk. There I show that started out so great and did so great so long. It was kind of a bummer the way it ended, but yeah, but I will say that you know the other thing. There are a lot of there are a lot of factors where the blessing became a curse with the buying that our after Ron Warriors. TNN OUTBID USA. And we lost the lead in of so we no longer had lead into. We're we're out of there in a desert on Monday night at eleven pm. Man after some bad eighties b-movie rerun and you're like. Wow sort of race and that have the ratings. There is another thing that happened at the same time. You know all those dot dot com outshone dot bombs in Silicon Valley in two thousand one. There spent so much money on television advertising time. Yeah, and there was so much of that and and I think time Edgar. Bronfman was universal was just like wow. I don't know maybe I you know. We got to do something about it, and so it only lasted so much longer, but it was an incredible experience. I loved it. I learned a lot from it. We had the greatest guests. I'd some of the greatest times flying around country. Here's the thing that a lot of people don't know so orgy Morrissey. Who Does the voice? It was her who was doing the show. It was her though she was one who was put in charge of production of the show and I remember when I went and met. With Andy and Jimmy about an later, that night went to Fred Durst, house or something for like Chin Chin's something to eat. I remember that Audrey and I met at the Mondrian Hotel on sunset over and one of the things that was very interesting. The no one was doing on TV at. I'm not saying that her give I'm not saying her of credit for it but I. I don't in my memory. I don't remember people doing something like this on a regular basis. We knew we were going to have people uploading their music at farm club for people for those listening who didn't know farm club. It was a website record label and a TV show, and the idea was Doug Morrison Jimmy. Wien universal on interscope wanted to have a place with new technology that was a community for my space or any obviously way before facebook Where people could go, and they congregate, but also people could upload their music as why they call it farm club. It was a place for people to form. Yeah, yeah, and the idea. was you play with all? Our first show was train. EMINEM, you know, and we'd fly in some band who uploaded their music and got votes, and but the cool thing was. Great idea it was. It was just way ahead of its time, and the technology wasn't there. Yeah, sure how many people ought not chief tastes still up there on dial up and it was, and it's really hard. You know it's crashing when you're trying to put your up there, but the idea was brilliant, Jimmy, okay and Andy executed. It got really really great. Things done, but. You know I'll never forget You know just. Thinking back about it worst at Audrey and I. Remember reminding she's The one who does the voice. We're sitting in my hotel room at the. Sunset Boulevard, and she's. We're talking about like what we're GONNA. Get Ready. Get these artists near she goes. She goes mad. What do you want to do i? Go and we go. We both came to this agreement that why don't I fly out? To these were these artists are from either surprise them or let them know him coming right and do packages on them packages meaning like kind of like a break where you'll be show where they work, we meet their families. You'll love about the town we were. The first showed ever do that shortly. After that survivor American idol, everything else used that template formula. It was the first show that ever did was farm club and I know that for a fact. I Walk Around I. You know what? I mean it was it was. It was obviously so? You're doing farm club here in L. A., and then you go back to New York when you're when it ends, I You know I always wanted to do a in our? Because I always you know that was the thing before he left to do farm club David Massey, whose now runs Airsu-. AIRSU- records the new Ariza you know David Massey's a president there. David was really under really strong belief in me as an guy, he was the guy about the thing with deserie, and he also signed basis and a bunch of other people, so we we built up this friendship and relationship, and when farm club ended, he and I were talking about. Me Going to work it up to do and our. before this before farm club. You know what I mean and. Paulie Anthony at the time was looking for it was boy. Bands are really big, so she was somebody who more dissenting boy bands she said A. who would you like? Honestly Lago Foo fighters. She wants somebody's GonNa. Say in sync or backstreet boys right so It was. The David was like Matt. Just give me a few months, but then I got the job offer from Jimmy to move out. Of California. I still wanted to do an arm and it turned out that Donnie Aigner. I was still by the way this whole time. Guys I'M STILL ON K Rock in New York some working on. Your Selling K rock. Star Club stuff. Oh, yeah I was doing it from Kevin. weatherly was nice enough to let us studios and Kingston was in Steve Kingston was in on the east coast, or Kingston didn't want me to. Doing the show he's like. You can keep doing show. We show called the buzz. It was my new music night show on Sundays okay, and we had performances on there, and then we will play everything new and Steve wanted me to do it, so I would just kind of pretend. I was in New York got Sunday night, and then the next, and of course the next night. You're on TV in. Hey thanks. Yes I started in Ninety six on K rock during the Sunday night show which I did for. I don't know I six. Let me see eleven twelve year. Eleven years I, Decay Rock in New, York and and I love doing it. You know, and sometimes I do fill INS to, but when kit. When Kevin was overlooking at before Steve, Kingston could leaves you one hundred because of his contract there to come over. Kevin originally asked me if I was going to if I could do five days week, but because I was doing 'em to an MTV, I couldn't. I couldn't commit to a five day week. Show and you're selling the music department and are still doing that so I would've loved to have done it. You know and it was really kind of Kevin to ask. And Steve They wanted that, but so we decided to do the Sunday night I. Remember Forgets. You've Kingston going to be bad. He goes away to your think the nights he goes I'll put you on a long leash because they do what you WanNa do. You know what he's really cool man, and then I never got to work with him, but I've heard great things I love Steve King's, you know. I mean Kevin's great to these guys are. I respect so many radio programs out there to you know I know I. Know You and you know it's Cummings on here. I worked for Rick. You know through ms through on our XP and Love Rick I mean he's the best. I've met some of the most amazing radio people. I just respect radio people so much and people that love radio because that's me I'm a radio lover for the rest of my life I i. Never WanNa. Stop I don't ever retire. I'm calling to I love it. I, I sometimes complain about it, but still feel so incredibly blessed to do what you know we do for I am so grateful every day. Let's talk though really quick. How do you end up your back Columbia in New York and then from there and I? Want to kind of go through your career here. Really quickly. Go to vh one right? Yeah, I'm I'm doing so. It was crazy. 'cause all at the same time I was at. I was there. Yeah, I went to WANNA. Do they? They did a new top twenty countdown that basically re rebranded around me, which is really cool than it did for awhile okay. That was about a year. but I remember. The craziest thing about all that was I was also working for Mark Cuban so I was doing. Show called sound off map penfield on hd net, and it was me in a producer, and we basically sky. Evan. Hammond who are Evan Haning. Excuse me who? Was the head of Tau like like programming there for Mark Great Guy I'm still great friends with. And it was this producing dominant card. Carter and he and I. We don't do the bookings ourselves it Max, Weinberg. Hold up a little steven. You know going back to the springsteen thing, but we were getting different people in, and they would get people, and if Mark Cuban really liked an artist and he wanted them on, we'd have him on those. What's Mark Cuban link to work for? He was great to work for. Many was really hands off I, mean he? He likes what's going on. He's happy. Happy. You know I mean that's that's what it's like with him. And even though he just sold access TV. I'm still doing this show for them. which shooting tomorrow it's called a year music so I'm doing too great years of music, especially in rock and roll, nine, hundred, seventy, one and nineteen ninety-one. Oh, great right did sixty six, seventy, five, the first season Oh. That's cool lots of. Put a link to that on the notes is. That when that comes when when that airs. Project so you start mornings now at. Let's go into extra Pirelli Rx p.. p.? M. Station and You know It was a great opportunity. Iram Bryant Shaq was there who radio all over the place? Brian was like. I met with him. I remember I was telling some radio guys. Call me back with what's up. You know and he calls me back. We took over three hours one night. Music Radio Life. And, he goes. You know man goes I, I. Love Watching it your interviews on sound off. He Goes I. Watch them all. He goes, but I didn't know if you were going to be like this MTV Dick like. Like entitlement thought like you were cooler than everybody else might, are you kidding me? I'm like the most like low key I mean. I never walk into a room with attitude and I'm better than anybody else. I am always learning from other people and I love that I think that's one thing that an artist like David. Bowie did he was smart. Enough to always know there's always more to learn. Learn always improve what you're doing and I've learned from Craig people in Radio in this country. You know what I mean Calloway at our expe- RSP. We did it for three years and then after the third year they sold it. It rumors everywhere how I found out was pretty crazy though I'm an airport with my girlfriend going introduce my girlfriend at the time to my mother in Florida. and. We're go, I tour. We're like going through negotiating. There's no problems getting things ready for year four. And? All of a sudden, they get an email. thank you so much for your services. We Love You, but we will not be requirement. Who I'm like what the fuck happened and it's another worse than being. You're in an airport and you're. You're like with your girlfriend. It's GonNa you're thinking. It's going to be good trip to your mom. Oh my God I just lost his job. I mean everybody in radios loss of jobs somewhere. We all have yeah. I mean that's just the way it is. The famous line the baby Brian Chuck said to me or somebody ego. There's two kinds of people in radio people that have lost jobs and people that are. Really funny, but so how does we finally meet in two thousand and twelve and flashback? Well, we've met earlier at formerly was right after. Here's the good news. It happened that I ended up doing flesh back. Because were you know it was out in like all access and all the other You know radio. Tip Sheets and everything that were still online and newsletters that we were all out of work. Me Leslie Fram Steve Craig Lucky. Bennett was there correct. Yeah! A Westwood Yeah Yeah, so it was one of those situations, and and we were I got a call from Mike mcvay. WHO's a great guy, love Mike and Mike Is. A really brilliant guy came a great friend after this. Commitment him out I might it might have something for you. He goes You should be Workin, and which was the most amazing in? It was flashback, and that was the how it all started, and it was great, so we've been doing it for nine years. We're about nine year anniversary. You know I am I still have time to do more radio I? Love it. I. Love I love doing what I do. Well, you look absolutely incredible you. You wrote a book a couple. Years back called all all these things that I've done my insane improbable rock life. Interested the title that was their idea for the rest of the title. All these things that I've done is a song by the band. The killers that actually brandon flowers wrote the night that he met me, and that goes back to my anr days because I was trying to sign killers real. I flew from. The line in the song I got soul, but I'm not. A soldier comes from as. I had gotten a a letter an email from the US army, saying you've got a lot of fans in the soldiers they go. We have returning soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan. That watched you on MTV. That are fans and We would like to know if you would come mentor. Some of our wounded soldiers and our musician soldiers that are returning and I said of course I mean. I responded right away told him of course I do that, so they flew me to Colorado City Colorado. And I was there for three days with the soldiers and It was a pretty incredible experience, pretty humbling, experience and Then I flew right to Las Vegas to try and find the killers so. Their their manager. And their lawyer, their lawyer of course is now their manager Robert Reynolds his brother is the singer Dan Reynolds of imagine dragons. His other brother back is the manager register against the Vegas. Mafia, so it's killers killers. Imagine, dragons are related in that way. Yeah, okay, and then you got panicked disco! You got all that stuff in Vegas right? I just did a big just went down there and talked about like the history of music and Vegas at this. Governor for the governor's global tour. Tour Global Tourism Summit, which was very cool with any show, but getting back to that I went there. They picked me up. I watched the band rehearse in their drummer's. Parents, garage and they already had Mr Bright side. That big hit already had written smile like you mean it. I really wanted to sign up had dinner that night and then I needed a ride back to my hotel and brandon flowers. A singers band said I'll give you ride, and he was still a bellhop all right. They're looking for a record deal. They were turned down by almost every day, and it was only rob Stevenson Island Def jam that wanted really design them, so it was he and I neck at the end, but you're Cohen went out it really hard. He's very smart. Smart guy started an the Def jam of course to Rick Rubin, and with those guys Simmons, so he knew that he better move fast, so he offered him a contract and I got a call the next day they were gonNA. Come in to meet with Donner and we'll bought when the next day and they were like mad. We Bend News for you either side, but the good news was that night. Brandon flowers drives me back my hotel I'm staying at the Hilton Las Vegas. He's got an old AMC hard. He's got to cassette tapes. Not even see player. Okay, and this is in the two thousands Beatles help Beatles sixty to sixty six, and we're. We both got a couple of cocktails and he goes. What do you want to hear am? I listen to help so are driving down to strip singing. The top of our lungs help the night before you've got to hide your love away. By the way you have to be a fly on the wall, watching you try to pitch. The killers to sign with the label. Were definitely up for it, but it was one of those situations where it was one was going to be one of the other but we get to Las Vegas Hilton and we're sitting at a bar. There were the only two people there me and brandon flowers, and his brother had been big fans of Mine and hundred and twenty minutes so. We we start talking and the I told the story about the thing with the with the soldiers. And I told them the story about like how I was going through. Look like I was going to go through a divorce, so I just told my life. He goes home that night and rights had some all these things that I've done. That's where the line I got slow, but I'm not. A soldier comes from, and there's also some other lines in there that referred to my Biz. Life's fired by your. It was and he's. Still in touch Oh yeah big time in fact I went to see them. After almost got killed last year in two weeks, it'll be. You'RE GONNA get that, but to say they dedicated the song to me at the four Oh my God. He played the Iheart alter-ego alter. Ego Show and they dedicated the song that Nice because it sits pretty. You know so there was. Brought up. Yeah, let's tell the story. You had a very serious accident. I find out about it because I think someone from. TMZ calls you here at the office wanting. Get get get a statement. Yeah, and I'm like my God. What has happened? Yeah, well, what happened was I was. Getting coffee across the street from where my apartment building is in Hollywood. And I was crossing the street and I was looking both ways, and it was clear. and has over sudden. I'm looking this way and I'm almost across the third lane I turn to the right. I see a car gunning at me. All I can think to do is to jump up like I'm jumping out of the way and I jumped up. My right leg was broken in half compound fracture bone coming out, I went up through the windshield with my head, Torma head, wide open, and tore part of my ear off my bottom right ear. and then I literally she hit the brakes I, spun off the hood of the car, and I flew another fifteen feet and landed on my head on my back. And what a miracle! That I don't have have brain damage and I. didn't wasn't paralyze paralysis. I was so very very lucky. Do you remember any of this? Yes, I. Don't remember my head going through the windshield, but I remember jumping up I remember spinning off the car because you could smell the hot metal from the engine, all my God. And then I landed on the ground, and I was kind of adrenaline shock. At one point eight thought about picking. Picking myself up off the ground and look at my leg was like you know in half I. Guess, I'm not getting up, took them nine minutes together with the Ms. They couldn't you know. They had to put me on a tarp and carry move into the the ems ambulance for the Fire Department and They cut all my clothes off me, and he put our morphine just to kill the pain and asked me. Can you feel your toes and I? I I. I try to move my toes and he looked at me and said you are an absolute miracle to go. You should be dead. They go they go. Most people would not have survived what you just went through. He's not mazing believable so I went to To the hospital to cedars-sinai thank God. They took me to a great hospital turned out. The surgeon that was in there was a was a fan like he was a guy who loved rock and roll, so he was like I heard another guy saying you're gonNA use staples and he goes none. Oh, no I like this guy. I'm GONNA saw him. I watched them on TV. Thank God writer. I look like Frankenstein! because. There's at least now I only look like a pirate, good job and character. You know got a scar across his forehead. Behind the ear, so the year back home, to which was pretty cool, but Yeah, thank God you're alive. I'm very grateful. I thank God every day I'm obviously you know well well aware the story because we work together almost every single week, but it was amazing. You're out for what may be a month, but yeah came back and have been in yeah. started with a walker. Yeah, remember I came here like I literally the day I got released from the Second Hospital I came right here to work is unbelievable. Walker I was some painful style able shit. And cain was after the hat, and then you've been now able to walk on your own for I. It's a pretty miraculous recovery. I worked very very hard on physical therapy, and I would I would not feel sorry for myself at all I actually feel grateful to be alive and appreciate life more every day and I was out at shows all the time like whether, if the rocks year troubadour they all everybody in town knew that I've gotten hit, so they're like. Make sure to let me walk in the back. Seat for me. The forum I'd be in a wheelchair at the forum. For the Chris Cornell tribute night or the all all ego, Iheart Show I. Mean I was at every I went, I never stopped going out, and I never stopped going to physical therapy I just. I was I was I was basically I was so motivated I knew I was going to walk again and that was important. Do you think a characteristic that you have word comes to me tenacity and you are just you're tenacious. You left messages every month for Tom Frost. Free frozen are randy. Show any SEAN sorry, but ended up being working for all of them you. Get up many people I. Think going through Your Life. Your addiction, your issues. We give up, but yeah I'm not give up. Never. That was the thing you know. And I suffered obviously from from years and years of fighting addiction, and you know once you're recovering alcoholic. I mean you're always one. You know what I mean. That doesn't mean you're going to drink, but you know you always have to remember. Somebody will work it. They don't use a recovered. Because you know, it can creep up on yet anytime you have a daily reprieve, and you have to really work at it like to work everything else, and so you know it's just one of those things you have to work hard and you have to just keep everything in perspective. That's why people a lot of people. There's a program I can't really go into mentioning what it is or talk about it but I will just say that you know. I've been a part of it on and off for years and this point have been on for a while so I'm doing really good and I'm just you look the best Canley. You've ever looked I think the scar makes it look like a bad ass. To you sauce. Or sound amazing. You're thinner. How much weight have you lost My guest is thirty pounds. Maybe forty five I'M GONNA go with even I I don't know but even more on my forty forty five years. Maybe I lost so much from exercise. You know as soon as I could get used to my leg again. I hit that stationary bike and I hit it every day, and then as soon as I build up the muscle and the strength and the cartilage everything around my my right leg, I started doing the treadmill now I'll never be able to run on a treadmill, but the one thing that I could. Could give advice because they see the difference of have different I. Look I, said you get on that treadmill. You don't have to run, but walk and make sure you do it on an incline so I would do it between like straight up fifteen degrees, and then down to ten, and then back up at the fifteen and believe me. It's like walking a bills. It's hard was i. know you were doing this before the accident? Yeah, we're transfer your this transformation with your body. What was the catalyst for that? It wasn't the accent was was in a relationship I was very unhappy in and I. Knew I just wanted to change things. You know I at the time I was like you know what? I want be a strong sober individual when I don't only want it to be me knowing that I'm in good, mental and physical again mental shape, but I wanNA physically you be able to see a change so I was doing a thing with a neighbor twenty years younger than me. Climbing the Hollywood stairs one hundred eighty up one hundred and eighty down these ones off a beechwood. And I and he got me for the first time I did it twice by the time he worked me so hard like a trainer, but as a friend that by the time before right, before I got hit by that car I was going up and down those stairs. That's three hundred sixty stairs ten times in an hour and a half. Unbelievable and I was like I. think that has something to do if you weren't in that good of shape, yes. Everything to do with other parts of my body didn't was I wasn't as fragile. Had I not been working so hard that I think for some reason it's just like. I. Mean I've been told that actually. I've been told by the people when I got to the Second Hospital because they transferred me from cedars-sinai. Place in century city called the California Rehabilitation Institute where you're in the hospital, but you're doing physical therapy every day, so it's painful, but you're hopping down that hallway to get into that room and. And do physical therapy and I do they did? Tell me that they do believe that's the reason why I didn't up worse shape because I was. My legs were strong. My stamina was strong from doing that. You know and I was and then you know some other people send me to go. You know what man I might have gotten really bummed out depressed of I I hardly enough I. Didn't I mean I was? I was more unhappy about a relationship that I wasn't happy. You know what I mean, but as far as. The injury. I was like I'm GonNa. Overcome this. That's the most important thing for me I. Overcome. I WANNA walk again like normal normal person and I'm not going to give up and I'm not GonNa, feel sorry for myself and it's they kept you. You know when you get hit by a car like that. They send in a shrink a psychiatrist to see every other day and ask you if you're feeling suicidal if you are feeling. DEPRESSED THEY WANNA know like they literally. Check your mental state and they tell you you may have a breakdown eventually. This may all comporting almost like a PTSD. Yeah, but I mean I would say I definitely got some trauma PTSD from it, but I You. Know I just I try to look at it as a gift. There are still here. Maze it's got to be reason right using attitude and just incredible outlook and know I am honored to be your. No, I'm honored to be your friend I love working with you doing right now. WE'RE IN I. Can't believe we had ten and Bill Roy does. fantastic. Writer's been on the show for almost you've been predominant show I think from day. One just incredible production. Yeah, how many affiliates are we on with it Kev? One hundred. Is it anywhere between one hundred fifty, hundred ninety? Yeah, yeah, it's almost one hundred fifteen hundred ninety radio stations, and we're on the American arm for American forces at work. That's you're interested in being an affiliate. Reach out to a serum. Ben's town and be cool if we gave away a few copies of your book of course I would. To about like the first five people to reach out to us. here runs town asked for a copy. Yeah, you. We'll send them over copies of them. Yeah, I would love to lead to. A student was so grateful clive. Davis endorsed the book and I had some really great people and Anthony Bozos written books on anyone. You've Metavsky. There's earlier. Have you ever been starstruck? I will tell you a story about Paul McCartney now. I've interviewed Paul McCartney and we had. We've had such great conversations I was out to dinner with A couple radio legends night before, Paul, McCartney was having this event before I moved to California the first time for farm club. There is an event happening on buddy holly's birthday. Paul McCartney was throwing a birthday party at Roseland, so it was an invite only was closed down so I was I was out with the with. Scott Shannon Steve Kingston I was having dinner with two guys what accrue through guys that I love and. Just you know I love talking records Scott Shane Siemian Stephen just brilliant guys. I Love Them so we're out there. We're talking. We go to the event. Okay, and I'm moving in about a week to the west coast. and I remember being a little afraid to meet Paul. Because I saw some other guy like was going to try and talk to them, but poor walk by him, but I. Think Pauses radar when he know, someone's really uncomfortable. It's going to be uncomfortable me thing. Paul waits until you have the confidence to come up and actually really talked to them, okay? He kind of walked by sky so Bill Flanagan. WHO's a writer WHO's written? Some incredible books used to be at every musician magazine. He's there because goes Matt. Did you go up and say Ida Paul? I don't know man I don't know I just saw shine. Some Guy I. Don't know is not only goes. Paul knows who you are man. You should go talk to. He's a really great guy. That I was amazing I met Buddy Holly's widow Maria Elena Dion. was there you know smithereens played a bunch of people that the original creek crickets played with the with Sonny Curtis, who wrote I fought the Law It was an incredible Paul got up and did some Buddy Holly Song Oh my God. It was so awesome but I walk up to Paul and I'll never forget it I. Go. I talked to him and I go. We just start, talking About some of his collaborations and work with Elvis Costello and because I love Elvis and we were talking about that. And when he worked with him and Eric Stewart from Tennessee, we're just reading some his collaborations and I was compelled to say something I always wanted to say to Paul. Because people are always trying to diss Paul and Talk Shit you know about him with wings and I don't. What are you talking about? Rammed Band on the run or to to incredible albums. Poor, but what I said, the Paul was what I've always believed. They say you know what Paul. There've been a lot of critics that have talked a lot of shit but I want you to know that any guy who can write songs as beautiful as yesterday and here there and everywhere, and his metal and punk is helter skelter down. Fuck Him. Nobody's got anything on. You know he looks at me and goes he would. He goes you. Come into my party next week I'm like yeah, of course I was moving, so I didn't want to say no Paul, not I, like one of the conversation to Ed very positive. I said that well, you know course. We ended up meeting each other again a couple times, and then when his album new came out a few years ago, I was on the Board of Governors, the grammys I was elected to the Board of Governors New York chapter of the Recording Academy and we were in the same building as NPR the old offices for the Grammy's. And They knew that and he was only two interviews. I David Stern and then he was GonNa do Radio Special with me right? which was great so? One of the great things we always talked about was earlier on I told him how my my oldest daughter Jessica, how the Beatles was the thing I introduced her to first and then. I, said to him when we meet up them. We're having lunch there I know we're. We're getting ready to interview at NPR studios. Even though it's going to be used really for cumulus in for other radio stations that want WanNa take that that special interview, so I said to Michael for you know it's funny I had another daughter since since last we Right after the last time we saw each other, and of course the first thing I turn around to is your songs your music, Beatles and Solo Guy. The engineer turns around and looks at Paul Goes. You ever get tired of hearing that and Paul looks at him and just matter of fact goes. No, I never get tired of hearing that. Show them, down Shut them down. Would you so cool and then you know afterwards at the end I have this audio still on the raw interview. Paul goes to me. You Know Matt if it was my wedding anniversary to Nancy United, go down to the pub and talk more about rock and roll, which was the most unbelievable thing to me because he knows Paul McCartney and friends with Ringo because I see him all the time here in Los Angeles. I got to see him play with Paul at Dodger Stadium months ago. That was. Unbelievable Yeah, do you think that some people bag on Ringo and obviously? Courtesy, let's just talk about his drumming is he's a great drummer? Hey, listen anybody who create a skippy like they do on ticket to ride. It's not like somebody told him. That is very unique drumbeat, and then having to create drums for things that are as unique sounding strawberry fields forever. You gotTA think about it. He can play straight, but he can also play a bunch of other different things. I mean. I I think he's a great drummer. I mean he's you know what I mean in a lot of people picked up drumsticks and bought trump's because of ringo excellent point. You never fail to surprise me. Starr new hanging out. I wanted to hold group guys are. The best. Yeah, he's been. He's been so so amazingly. Man Well that congratulations on You know obviously just the transformation of yourself. You look fantastic. Thank you chachi sound amazing. I'm grateful to be here. Man I love radio. I I'm able to work in it. for the rest of my life I just I love You know we talk about ready. We're both guys were lifers. I love this I. I mean I. Never get tired ever of radio listening to it here in talented people going back and listen to the classic broadcast from Casey Kasem. The guys! On ABC, I just love. Music more than anything in the world and radio. Go, go there with you, you know. Thanks for coming in buddy. Really appreciate it. Thank you Chachi was great being here.

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435: A Strong Number Four

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435: A Strong Number Four

"I'm enjoying a wonderful vanilla. cream house. Seltzer right now. That i had to open with the players that are still in our fridge. From whenever that intro that we did to our show with tiff was like six months ago. Or at least you'd be. You'd be like buff from the rowing now. You should be able to just crank that sucker open. Actually i'd actually my arms all messed up for other reasons but yeah oh what happened. Well it's i've had some shoulder. Rotator cuff challenges over the last seven working through it with a pt friends. So we're we're getting there. But i currently have this black tape on my arm. This rock tape. That makes you look really cool. It doesn't that's not from trying to open the seltzer. No well maybe. I mean i guess i can't fully be sure what the root cause was. Maybe i opened so many cells over the last five years that i've rectal. I wrecked my whole left. But all that major league pitching. You've been doing. Yes that's that's especially with my left heart arms in some right handed not to mention that. I'm not a baseball player. I was for one year in school. I was actually held back in t ball for an extra year. Four fourth grade but then fifth grade. I played regular baseball and pretty sure i got one hit for the entire year and did not play baseball after that. How many have bats because if that was your only at bat that's a great average unfortunately far more than one. It's funny you say that. I've told the story somewhere on the internet before. But when i was in fifth grade this was toward the height of me being interested in in playing basketball and at my very best moments i was a passable basketball player. I was never good. But when i had a good day. I was passable and Our fifth grade so this is not middle school This is still elementary school. In the states are fifth grade school team which in and of itself was weird to have school team fifth grade. But be that as may it. Was you know a a school team that with like travel to other schools and play basketball against them and stuff. Which usually. That doesn't happen in america until you're older At least for school affiliated teams anyway for the fifth grade basketball team which is about the most athletic thing. I think i've ever done in my life. And i tried out and i made the team and then i moved like two weeks later and it wasn't until i was an adult that i realized wait a second. They knew full well. I was moving this entire time. That was totally a pity acceptance watson in on new. You're moving. I think they might have. But i'm gonna claim that. Did you move in order just to get just to get away from that team like the team paid off your parents to make you move. I'm pretty sure they did. Not it is possible. But i'm pretty sure now. I think it's pretty permissive. Fifth grade basketball teams. Probably pretty much. Let anyone who shows any sort of desire to be on the team. So i don't think they were. They knew you were moving. I think they're just basically take everybody. I mean certainly. My fifth grade baseball team was pretty permissive. If they let me on their john. Do you have a fun. Sports related stories sports-related failure. Perhaps you would like to share with the group. I mean i my my career quote unquote career. Sport was tennis which is brutal in the same way that microsoft used to be where everything is force ranked. So if you're going to be on the tennis team the players are pitted against each other to determine the rankings. So there's no question about where you are in the hierarchy and if you want to play at all you have to be in the top four or whatever like that you know depending on what school you went to. Maybe they only had like four or five quarts so only the top four or five people are gonna play period so if your number six your team you're not gonna play at all and the only way for you to get hires to beat the number five prison so that's the crucible i was formed in. Aren't sports great. The funny thing is like sports weren't even the most emotional damaging part of my school career. But they certainly didn't help i. I love tennis. I the first year. I played in junior high. No i didn't get to play in the matches. Because i was like number six or number seven but i worked my way up so you you played in junior high but you did not play in high school. I played engineer and high school varsity high school. Yeah i was good at tennis. I am having a seriously difficult time. Imagining any of the three of us doing varsity anything athletic assure Well more than us put it this way. I'm very coordinated Team sports. I was less good at but does most because they didn't have a lot of confidence for reasons. The imagine i mean not. I wasn't number one or two but you know was number four strong number four occasionally number three in high school in a team. Before i'm rule now tiffany jewelry watched freaking geese the first time i've seen it in probably five to ten years. It's been a while since. I've never seen it. Oh it's a fantastic series. I watched it like three months ago. Coincidentally i re watched it because the incomparable was gonna do a show about it and they said hey you should watch this so i did and i just forgot about the episode and other people aren't anyway but it's i saw you say that you were watching assume you're didn't do it. Because of the incomparable. But it's weird that we both just watch the whole series. I think i did actually do it for the incomparable. But were you on that episode. They haven't recorded yet but Man that show not only does it hold up and not only is great and it has a whole bunch of famous people in it. That weren't that famous at the time. You get to see them like when they're super young yet like like a sixteen year old seth rogan. It's pretty cool but Man that show is painful to watch like if you if you were a nerd growing up as we all were. Wow that is. There are some deep pain when watching that show sounds. That's great. I mean everybody watching that show is gonna look at these three characters and be like well. That's us that's obviously. It's i mean you which character you think. You are markelle though because i can tell you which one i was more or less i mean. I think everybody would say you're bill. The only thing is i. I'm unclear whether i would be sammer. Neil i i've definitely have seen have some overlap with with each of them so i'm not sure the problem with sam is he does get together with an unrealistically more attractive girl for a plot point in the season right and that sure as hell was not going to happen to me in high school. Exactly i then you've worked in the show because of how that turns out but practically speaking not gonna happen right so that's why. i think i'd be a realistically. I'm probably more more kneel at my my rewatch us. It's not going win. The episode will give you my title cat. Tiny capsule summary. The only thing that really changed from my. I watch when i watched it when it actually aired. Because i'm old. The only change from mary watches. I felt like the main character lindsay. What's is that main character's motivation was not well sketched out and it's not the fault of the actor. It's mostly the fault of the script. I know the arc that they wanted her to go on but a lot of the time. She just seemed to be going through the paces of the script because she had to in her motivations were not clearly allen but other than that. Everything was great. I'd never once. Let's look at well. I mean it depends on who you're identifying within the show but it's like if you're identifying mostly with the with her little brother and their friends they maybe you don't care about that but she really is. The heart of the show and the problem is a lot of her like what she does not unmotivated like the show is says things in it like. Here's why she's doing this but it's never really on the screen. It's just like they'll drop a hint on it here or there and then she'll just act under the influence of that one hint for three episodes. It's like what are you really. What are you really trying to do. Lindsey i don't. It's not just felt a little bit like a leaf in the wind. Watch how i soar. That's a reference. But i was doing the forrest gump thing. I said feather All right we have a lot to do. We should stop goofing off and let's start with some follow up it is back because it's not keno week all right so let's talk about universal control device arrangement a lot of us were wondering You know when you do universal control thing which is like synergy was slashes where you have one keyboard and mouse attached to one computer. But it's controlling multiple computers than how does it know what if you know so you have an ipad and mac which side is the ipad on and i think this was actually discussed in the talk show for not mistaken but we also got feedback via andreas buyer. Bowden who apparently saw or received an email from Federica which reads federico's words when you move to an edge we default to assuming you're moving to the most recently active device that is nearby and not yet quote unquote paired. So if you turn your ipad and put it next turn on your head. Excuse me and put it next to the mac. And then move the cursor as as i did in the demo. We will assume that you were attempting to access that ipad versus say another mac the had not interacted with as recently and once you're quote unquote connected. We remember that arrangement there is of course. Also displays arrangements system preferences pane. though we've designed the features such that using these sorts of settings should generally not be necessary. This is if it works. And i haven't tried it. This is apple at its best. When it's using like some really smart inference. maybe. I'm not sure what the word i'm looking for. But it's using evidence based on circumstance to figure out what you want before a workout you having to explicitly tell them and i think that's super cool and if it works well it. It's going to be very impressive. It's like a magic trick. Where once you hear how it's done. You're like oh that is clever. But that's not as complicated as i thought it would be like. They're essentially session. Letting the user tell them where things are. Now it's not perfect because if you do that. I love once once. You know the trick is done is trivial easy to confuse it but second of all your basically just picking whether the computer is left writer. Maybe even upper down from where you are. But you're not really picking the exact height screens other. You're going kinda get the default. I haven't. i don't have enough systems running these this new stuff to do this. But i'm interested to see like so once you do that. It shows up as a display like like in the displays panel and then you could arrange them after that i. It's not entirely. Because i haven't seen his demo but but anyway the magic trick of how they do. This is very clever and it's like it makes for a good demo and in practice it will magically just work for people who don't know how it works and super impressive. And i suppose there are a couple of failure modes will get messed up as long as there's a place where you can go to like. Oh arrange it the way you want. The displays panel like february says. This is very clever very interesting. Additionally some information about initiation from fender the friend of the show federico vitucci universal control can only be started from a mac running monterey. You cannot start dragging the pointer from an ipad towards the back. It only originates from echo s. And then you can move around freely after that falls into the category as my snarky tweet during the w ezekie not which is get an ipad. It's great accessory for your real computer like ringel because everything in the in the keynote was like from your mac. Here's what like the ipad can help your mac out in various ways but it was so clear that the mac was like in charge even in universal control. If you're on your mac yeah you bring your ipad. But you can't take that stinking ipad bringing over your mac anyway. Maybe this will change one day. And that's mostly just because obviously ipads they're incredibly powerful and amazing and i love them But it was a change from the norm to see kind of the mac taking center stage. That's we talked about the last episode. But i think it's worth re emphasizing the unspoken theme of the keynote which is that features. Now come across all of apple's platforms because all the barriers to stopping that from happening have been knocked knocked down one at a time the same chip architecture. It's the same framework swift you. I like you know we have catalysts to bring you. i can onto the mac. And so all of apple's resources towards like we're going to do a new thing now they can essentially do a new thing. Whatever that new thing is. Once optimize it for their own ships righted in a framework that they know runs on all their platforms. You know within reason obviously not gonna write something that runs on maybe on the watchdog is well but anyway they can literally do one thing and have it everywhere so almost all of the features that rolled out as part of wabc are on all the platforms and that hasn't happened in a very long time. Granted there's varying degrees of depending how mature whatever it is that you're doing is at a catalyst apposite a swift both of those things limitations versus a pure app kit app on the mac But it gets at least this year. We're not like oh well. This feature is available here and here. But the mac doesn't have it at all or the mac has it worse version of it in general if they rolling out something new it is available and the same everywhere which is refreshing and a big payoff from the many years of transition. That apple's been going through. And i'm sure there are examples of that not being true like centerstage great example that not being true which actually quick aside. I have facetime call with somebody with a new ipad. That was using centerstage and holy smokes. That's super cool even on the quote unquote receiving end on the viewing end. It was super cool because as the friend of mine that i was speaking with was like walking around a little bit or you know gesturing with his arms it would zoom in her mouth or pan. Or what have you in order to keep what was relevant in focus. It was super duper neat. And whatever it is. I get around to upgrading my ipad. Which i'm not planning on doing. I sit here now Really looking forward to having that because that is that on both sides ipads is that correct. That only on the big boy now. It's on both okay did it. Did it look like unnatural when it would do the movements or was kind of subtle and smooth. It looked unnatural. Insofar as it was something you don't expect to happen on a facetime call but it did not look natural. insofar as like it's zooming at twice the speed you would expect or that it's you know like whipping to the side and then stopping short. It was very gradual. Very aptly And it was not it wasn't distracting as a movement. It was distracting as a holy crap. I understand all the work. That's going to make this work. And this is amazing so it was very cool as weird that some of the remaining differences almost sort of come down to hardware like why. Don't the maxine. Facetime wire the matt cameras so much worse or even just with centerstage likewise on these ipads and other ones like what is it that the center stage requires. We'll get to that later. Adopted section about what features require watch the what but there is still remaining hardware gap. But in general i like in terms of major applications major features. One example i think is a focused on the mac which ones foco though the. Do not disturb on. Says there's no way that would have been on. The mac of came alec three years ago. Just no way because it is so obviously phone centric but it's like now it's like why not put it on the mac because we can write it. Essentially once in our cross. One of our cross frameworks and it makes sense to be on the mac and it's actually not that much more work so let's go do it right. And even you know even last year when the iphone digits but the ipad. Didn't it's like well the excuse there. Those are like practically the same platform even renamed one of the my pillow as it used to be. Just iowa's like why didn't the ipad get it there and that was kind of seemed like tied up in the ipad multitasking stuff. Where they that was that whole suite of things wasn't ready in that in just wanna ship you know just waited something ipad or whatever so there's always like how are things prioritize. The how many resources do you have. And what can you hold till last year but in general technology wise. We're finally getting to a place. Where the reason why something might not be popular platforms no longer. Are we have to write an entirely new app using abc kit. If we want that. On the mac so that's too much effort. Never mind all right. Let's talk about object capture. In the quality there of object captures the thing. Where you take zillion pictures of a three d object and then do magic and mathematics and then suddenly you get a three d. model Coming out the other side Somebody anonymous because they've since deleted their tweets. I don't know if they're trying to remain anonymous rights. I work in motion. Production live action and animation. While the certainly isn't ready for final production quality the ability to quickly up a quote. Good enough quote. Concept is actually quite valuable so even if this isn't a perfect representation it's still useful to have and that's that's not particularly surprising to me since seeing apple's demos in in the sessions on and all that other stuff lots of just users individual people have been posting their experiments with using this feature and to say everyone that i've seen is way more impressive than apple's demos which is weird. Usually apple picks very good demos to show off their future. So we'll put some legs in. The shots is matt waller. Did a scan of a a plush. Baby yoda toy. And the object capture of it looks amazing because it's a challenging shape fuzzy and it's got weird pointy things with the ears and the clothes and everything looks amazing and someone else posted a pineapple. The whole plan looks like what those little pointy little tendrils that come out the and the object capture of that and it looks fantastic. Like you wouldn't you think it would just melt all the little things together and you know just looked like a flat football with a pineapple textron. It doesn't so yeah. Obviously these things need to be touched up the more examples of this of. I've seen the more impressed. I am at how good you can get with this now. Tobacco back to marco's point of like oh. This will be cool to sharon object with somebody. It seems like you just have to take too many pictures for that to be feasible. I think a lot of pictures in there has to be a huge amount of overlap. So you have to like take a picture and then move like a little tiny bit and take a picture moved little bit and take a picture and your pictures to have like seventy percent overlap between them. So i don't think you're going to want to spend five minutes slowly walking in a circle around around some object to send it to someone in a message thing if you could take one or two pictures and send something that might be conceivable for now. I think it is basically amazing result of you're willing to put in the time from hardware that everybody has so it is lowering the barrier to entry. But it is not to the point where you can take to photos of you. Know a capture. You're looking at them and have give someone a three model they can spin. We are sponsored this week. By lynch owed my favorite place to run servers whether working on a personal project or managing enterprise infrastructure you deserve simple affordable and accessible cloud computing solutions. So that you can take your project to the next level. 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I mean it's a fair that we'll put a link to someone's video. The capture they're doing is not one of those challenging ones but lots of people are posting impressive. Results like live text like pulled text off of my laptop screen. That's viewed it is incredibly oblique angle. In general humans are impressment. Computers can do things that would be difficult for humans to do but very often. They're difficult for computers to do it because they're just strengths and weaknesses were different but looks pretty good. And it's It's impressive whereas able to pull out of indeed. I've good news. Which i did not even look into myself to be honest with you. But jason eight and writes the app library and the doc is optional on ipad. os The according to jason. There's no good reason to turn it off. I actually have left it on so far and it hasn't bothered me. But i barely use my ipad since putting the the beta on it. So you know. Take what you will at. The setting is right next to the other one that i turned off which is show suggested in recent apps in the dock. I'm not surprised that you turn off all right john. I know that the world was shocked and devastated. Even when they saw the new safari toolbar and realized everyone's favourite safari extension may not be long for this world. Please tell me please. John tell me. The reload button like phoenix rises from the ashes to live again last episode. I thought like well. There is no more toolbar. It's just like because they put the tabs up there right and safari fifteen. There's a tabs in there some fixed buttons and it seemed like that was it and i'm talking about in the mac right now not on the phone on the ipad. There's you know so much for my reload button. Right and the absurd thing about it was there doesn't appear to be any reload button of the only place you had reloaded was like in the address bar there was a little dot dot dot on the far right and if you clicked on the dot dot dot a menu would pop up and then you could select the word reload from that menu. And i saw this. Wwe sessions you'd be watching a session in the person in the session would have to reload a webpage and to make it clear like it's video you don't if they just hit command are wouldn't be clear to the viewer what they're doing. You have to do something. Visually on the screen to show that they're reloading and so it was one of our videos. This person the presenter had two reloaded webpage multiple times to show changes and every time they did it. They had to click on the three dots. Move the mouse click reload. Click on the three dots move house down quick reload and it was so painful to watch. I was like oh goodness we really need to have it. Always visible reload so of course. I installed monterey on one of my actually. I saw the dragon buddha from that group on my computer because all the computers in the houses are still used to my kids out of school and saw the deal was so first of all. There is still a customizable toolbar. You can cut out. You're fighting with the taps for space. But you can in fact customize the part to the left of the tabs and shove as much stuff up there as you want stealing space from your tabs when you do customized toolbar thing and she comes down. Reload is not among those choices. So you don't have a choice to but a real abutting bar and they're also. Is you know the reload button. That is currently in the address bar and safari. That's also not they're all you get is the three dots. From which a menu sponsored you click reload. The good news is that my safari reload button extension still works. You can run. Entree iran just fine. I didn't even need to recompiled or anything. It just works as is and you can put a real about not. They're the bad news is presumably in order to save space like understand why they did this because again the toolbar is now fighting for space tabby. They're all in the same line. They change the back forward buttons to be quote unquote smart so then the there is no ford button until you've gone back so instead of being a backfired like less than integrated sign. It's just a less than sign and then if you ever go back. Suddenly the great sign appears next to it. Because now you have a place to go forward which means that that the back forward button which used to be a pair of things now changes size depending on if you have someplace to go forward to which makes everything move around. I understand why they did save space but it just looks not great to me. I don't like things squirm around us established in the past. Show with the squirmy rectangles. And i don't like it when buttons change size in the bar and i think it looks unbalanced and the other thing. That's a minor point but when you do when you put a button on the toolbar in current safari urine safari fifteen. The you supply like an image for the button And there's a limited number of formats you can make but every format that. I have tried every way. I've tried to make this image. It basically uses it as a template image and you don't have control over how positions verdict positioned vertically. I tried putting empty space above and below to move things around and it just like nope. I'm going to find the edges of the blackness in your monochrome picture. And that's what i'm going to consider your border to be and that's a concern to me because when the lonely left to end Only less than sign is next to my reload button the reload button if you know what it looks like. It's like a circle Incomplete circle but then there's an arrow on one end of it and the arrow sticks out beyond the top part of the risks beyond the the diameter of the circle. Right so what you'd want. Visually speaking is the center of the circle to be aligned with the point in the less than sign. You know what. I'm saying But that's not how it works because as far as far as concerned the height of that graphic is not the height of the circle. But it's the head of the circle. Plus that little stem sticks out so it shifts the whole thing down so when i just less than signed and then i reload. Buttons shifted down to be slightly below the less than sign. It's very upset. Oh anyway glad to have a reload button. And i'm living with it. But i'm still spent a long time Rebuilding that application with differently. Sized and shaped buttons to try to get to work is to have a non-transparent background because then it thinks my images the size of my image. But of course if you have a non-transparent background it looks awful right. So so i'm sorry. Can we play this back. The same man who has superhuman hearing when it comes to extraordinarily small in quiet fans and will do anything to get fans out of. His house is the same person who can't just hit. Command are to reload a tab and must have an offset icon on on the domain me. Tap the sign. Casey command exists. I tried to preempt that in my tweet about a half to put it in the same tweak as you put it a fall to receive. That's true yes yes i know. Command exists. sometimes. I'm using the mouse. Sometimes the mouse is near there. sometimes. I like mouse. Buttons like the gooey exists. In addition yes i know about commander absolutely no and i do use it but sometimes i also the gun. I mean i ended up itself. That's fine. I'm flabbergasted that someone who has particular is you. We would be able to look at this all day. Every day look at this offset icon and not be driven mad whereas it was offset in the previous version was far too it. Just it's more. It's emphasized more due to the tighter spacing. And i think the smaller less than signs so it looks a little bit worse. It was the same problems as to before. This is not a new thing. Well the good news is if you wanna go back to the old style tab bar. There's way to do that yes. Someone discovered like this. This feature feature flags list somewhere in the us and i put the xm l. a. In for it in the show notes to see what the keys are so the key is unified bar. It's in like the library preferences feature flags domains all right up. i'm presuming. this is like a temporary thing for apple messing with flags. And the reason i say that is because unified bar the key and then the value is a dictionary and some of the keys of the value dictionary one of them's called disclosure required. And then there's a string. Looks like you. I d And that makes me thing that the they do feature flag for people don't know The parlance inside apple about whether you as an apple employees are allowed to know about a thing is are you disclosed on that thing right so a lot you know. It was like an apple. If you're not working on safari you wouldn't you wouldn't be disclosed on the new safari so there'd be no reason for you to know about the new safari and in your builds monterey if you if this disclosure required field didn't have this special you it wouldn't show up on your version of monterey or wouldn't be enabled on your version of monterey and they i presume they're trust their employees not to hack in and try to figure out you know what resources are new and safari. Whatever this is. My guess. I don't know any of this for a fact about this is it's four but the fact that there's disclosure required field with a string you idea makes me think this is part of how they control showing new features in safari to other people inside apple. Obviously it's not controlling anything for us but what it means is that you can disable this feature and go back to the old one just because they still had that code in there. Maybe for the nautilus people for a while. I presume that will eventually go away. Maybe it will go away before released but if you really really don't like the new safari and you're using a beta. You have a way to turn it off for now. Just keep in mind that kind of like every chrome flags feature that i used to rely on. It will eventually disappearing here before anything. Yup yeah but you know. Like i feel like you know like like on principle of that. There are certain things that apple ads where they make some change. That i don't like but the old behavior is still available through either a check box preference somewhere some kind of appeal tack like this or you know a defaults right command or something like that and i used to think like well might as well adopt the new thing immediately because one day they're going to remove this ability to use the old way. I'm gonna. I might as well just on my on my terms now rather than later being forced to but now i think you know what some of those things never go away like. We haven't switched over to their quote. Natural scroll direction. I still scroll the old direction and it's fine you serious you monster in either. I'm never switching like here's the thing that with some lines. Sometimes they'll do something new that people don't like and i think the natural scrolling is an example. Where apple said look enough people like the other way that we can't really get rid of this. It's a natural. Scrolling has been around what five years seven more than that way more ten. And so and he's not a big deal. He's a switch and why not. Just leave the preference. That's the right call for them. Toppy tabs speaking of safari. They tried a different tab arrangement. And i think it was just presser. Whatever making a big stink about it and apple you know just kind of went out and said know a lot getting a lot of bad reviews this. Maybe we won't do it. I think apple is going to stick with our design because they're are a little bit more gutsy now than they were more now say Well they don't. I mean they have to bring this up. They have a different design leadership. Going on now. And i think they. I don't think the current design leadership has shown a lot of willingness to respond to feedback. Yeah i i watch more of the sessions. Explain the new safari as i said. Last episode. part of the new design is that apple has signed itself up to a bunch of readability challenges because they explicitly are lowering the content of the webpage who essentially color the user interface. So it's now up to apple to make sure that no matter what color the interfaces that the elements that are part of the interface visible you have to still be able to see the buttons. You have to be able to read the address bar. They gave an example of the sessions because actually like safari fifteen. We'll do a smart. This is again all in the mac. It'll do a smart thing where we will pull a caller from the web page. You can also from your webpage explicitly specify what you wanted to be so website amelie specify that it should be you just specify white mistakes you i called. You can specify the color and the presentation the the apple person said is like you can specify pretty much any color but safari will stop you from specifying certain colors and they gave an example. If you specify the color of the toolbar safari should be the same color as the close widget effectively. Making the clothes disappear. They won't let they won't let you pick that color. So this is the kind of special case code they have to be. You can't make a- read of the stop light you can't make it yellow. You can't make it green right if you make it too dark. They have to switch the text to be light on dark instead of dark on light like all the same challenges as the menu bar which they also decided to make translucent and pull stuff through and the menu bar changes from light texan. Dark deduct tax sunlight depending on. What's in the background of your thing right so now. They've signed up for that challenge on a per web page basis. Because you can change the color not just per site but per page and it's kind of fun you know you kind of fun design online where you can make your and you can also do leitmotiv dark mode right you. Lots of fun things. But as marco said last episode sometimes the content people care about is in fact their tabs and not the webpage or at least equal footing that they care about the tabs and the webpage and tying the two together and sort of a unified design. Thing may not people people want like. Sometimes you do want a clear. Separation between here is the chrome of my application which doesn't change colors or shape or wheel around or do any weird stuff always readable. And then here is the content of the webpage and apple. Their their current design direction is minimized. That bar make it as small as possible. Put everything on one line so off to fight for each other for the same amount of horizontal space. They even had a thing where they're saying like oh make sure your page titles short and putting the important stuff out front. Which is general good practice for web design period. The reason it's even more pressing in safari fifteen is guess what you're tabs. Have even less space giving window size. Because they're fighting with the toolbar. So i use it a little bit. It's not terrible. I will eventually get used to it probably. But it's a design choice that i wouldn't have made and i sincerely hope they websites. Don't adopt the thing where you can call her. Is that top toolbar. 'cause that's what i want and by the way now that really matters if you don't want that speaking of options there is an option as far as preference to say. Hey don't live websites. Do that just like i forget what it's called but a screenshot. Anybody you check bacha says even if a website says the top archambault black just ignore that and then that will just keep the top bar the same color all the time i feel like we keep relearning. This lesson in our industry like we keep we keep learning and then having to relearn you know we shouldn't allow arbitrary colors and things from user content or web content to be under and behind and through the ui because it causes problems in lots of educators and not even educated lots of just common cases and we had like windows vista forever. Ago with its translucent. Everything we have. We've had the history of translucent backgrounds inside bars to and everything and mac os and windows an and everything else like and we keep relearning this lesson over and over again. Oh it actually is better to have the chrome of the interface be mostly or entirely opaque because it actually improves legibility of critical interface. Elements like when are we going to finally stop fighting this fight. We keep unlearn it like every two years somewhere new. We have to fight this fight. Again of to apple's credit. They have gotten over the many years way way better at this than they used to be if you just go look through the history of mac. Os ten of us from from ten point was one of my first complaints and if you watch as the years went on apple got right. That apple keeps going back to that. Well because they want it. They want it so bad and every time they do it they do a better job even the menu bar whatever. Os was a catalina or whatever and they rolled out the current menu bar thing the first few iterations of that in the beta filed bugs onto myself and people had screenshots of like look at this menu bar totally unreadable and they made adjustments essentially like apple has become an expert at figuring out how to solve the specific design most because they keep signing themselves up for sidebars the menu bar. There's a very toolbar their way better at it. Like it is rare that you get a case that is completely unreadable like it used to be. It's just it is a challenge and it's kind of it's kind of a war of choice right and so it's clear that someone somewhere are group's of someone's over the past decade or more inside apple really want this. They want like your desktop image to color your windows and your had the personality. Come through. I understand why aesthetically desirable thing but it's it is a difficult problem. But apple's real pretty really good at it now and also they give you lots of check boxes to turn it off so window tinting. That's a check box in general preferences that i assume it's just gonna stay there side. Bartending was also check. Box thing. Not just appeals thing but like they actually have gooey to turn this off and safari same deal a check. Box turn off. The is all that crap to be on and a lot of times people who aren't gonna find those check boxes. If you see someone complaining about the computer being hard to read and you just go through with those purposes and check check check check. Oh why wasn't like this to begin. With which is to marco's point why maybe that brass ring that you're going after. Maybe he's worth pursuing. Because what are you even doing. It's probably worse for most peachable people. But i will give apple credit for Doggedly pursuing the stupid goal and being probably the best in the industry at it even though the result is still probably worse than just having everything be a normal color and be readable. I'm sorry i'm still stuck on you to monsters. Not using natural scrolling. I'm the middle child or podcast. I am the middle child of this podcast by birth date. But i am easily thirty years younger than both of you know. Natural calling is not an old young. I'm surprised that margaret is because he uses a track pad now. Mantra scrolling doesn't make sense if you if you still use a mouse wheel which i do. If you use a track understand why people like natural scrolling and it is two separate settings by the way you can have natural scrolling on your on your track pad quote unnatural scrolling on. Your correct is two separate settings but yeah if they the reason i think they leave that check box there is there are enough people that will just never get used to it enough. People probably inside apple just like just leave the check box off your back. It's really easy to do. It's like negative number flip somewhere and some code just absolute monsters and going back to like the reason i brought. That up is like i feel like you know like the the original thinking was as soon as they change something that that you don't like just adopted quickly. Just go for it that way. You know you're not surprise later. Why recently decided you know what. I'll be surprised later. That's fine if they give me an option to turn safari like the option that that was discovered in this thing like this sticks around or if there's if there ever is an exposed gooey option to turn safari back to the way. All web browsers have looked forever. You know what. I'll i'll use it. Because i want my tabs to have the full width of the window to expand into their tablets because so often i have enough tabs in one window that they start collapsing little texts down and become. I can only and that's worse. And so i try to keep the number down because i like being able to see part of the title of the text because that's useful. Ui and if the taliban of having like two thirds or half of the space they had before total. That's going to significantly impede the ability this browser and so if they're some setting just change it back then fine i want that setting and if and if they take it away in five years fine i'll reevaluate then but until then i might as well enjoy the good way i mean but the specific case of the quote unquote setting isn't even like appeal safari peel the disclosure required in the future flags list and i really wonder what how long it's going to stay around or be functional. Yeah i mean honestly that probably won't even make it through the beta but if it does i hope it does. I will probably using it that way. Now the real question is can you somehow hack the iowa. Safari did not suck as much as it does right now. I haven't. I mostly just messing with the mac ones but i am curious to see what the like an in principle i feel better about the iowa's change but i will have to try them and i should clarify ipads not too bad Is i don't love the ipad version but it's not as bad. The iphone version is. What's oh not strong. Disagree strongly disagree with you. There ipad as mediocre at best. And i actually think is very good. I like having the the the address bar down at the bottom so you can use it as a second home. Indicator affords whatever you call that thing. Oh speaking of the address bar on the bottom. That's another one of the focuses of one of the sessions right so you've got the address bar on the bottom but if you think about it if you scroll like the address bar like a like collapses that smaller version right and then then moves up to be floating right to the bigger version and when it moves up like that it can possibly block. What is it the bottom of the webpage depending on how you scroll right and so they have special like there are settings and see us that you can do to make it aware of when that button appears so. Your webpage will scoot up out of the way of the i and it's like how come on apple it works. You can do it. But it's like it's adding worked for web developers. The basically no one's going to except for people like me who have nothing better to do right. Because who's gonna make a change that only safari models zari so popular that the make the change anyway. But it's like the u. I of your web browser makes me have to change my website to accommodate for it. That is backwards. It should not be that what should be the other way like. How're of my website is your browser should accommodate. Because my website is the show in your browser is supposed to be the chrome. Oh my god well and also like they never act like this. That's wonderful wishful thinking. That the that the entire web's going somehow make this work. The reality is we've seen for how long over a decade as iphone users that we like whenever you like whatever you see a web you or web page it opens up and they've put something in the bottom forty four points of view report and you just can't happen because if you try to tap but the toolbar comes up right like and this has been a problem forever. You can't rely on the entire internet to update all of their designs for all of time to to to work around some of these hacks that apple puts every iphone a lot of web developers will do it right but even even if you know ninety five percent of the webpages you visit do it right. That five percent is going to really bother you so to add even more like little custom safari behaviors that interfere with web content in order to have the web content like flow around the background of a toolbar. Doesn't seem not only worth it But also does your doesn't seem pragmatic. I think that's going to break even more pages than the previous thing did and again i keep asking for what like i. Don't mind the concept of having the toolbar at the bottom. Like i think that's an interesting thing to explore. There are some challenges there but given you know how phones really big and everything. That's an interesting thing to explore. Think for the u i But the way they implemented this despite him toolbar with those different modes and the giant drop shadow around the the the large mode of the address bar and burying everything. It's just i. I feel like this is like version zero point. Two of this design shouldn't have made it out of out of the lab and needs some orientation a lot. More duration is with the hardware to if you remember. This is also in the same session where they reminded people thing. That's been there for years. Now which is when they ended the notch to the iphone hardware feature. Now if you're looking at a web page and you rotate it and you turn it into landscape you. You can't really have the webpage getting stuck under the notch. So they just so what they do is say okay. Well now when you rotate into landscape the actual edge of the safari quote unquote window is way clear. The notch right but then sometimes it looks weird because now it looks like you're not using the full with of the screen right so there is a feature again in safari with css where this is basic csv to right to say. What is the safe area. And whatever but there is a a viewpoint directive that you can use to make it so that your background extends into the notch while keeping your content clear of the notch and most mostly features if you look them in the abstract like well. This is not really a feature for apple's not it's more like a feature of saying essentially whereas this area from you to draw my content versus where he's an area where my background could go and that is a generic feature in web standards supported and i applaud all of that. But if you look at the some of things that apple has done to make lives more difficult with people running websites sometimes purely in service of its own particular devices or its own particular design like you said mark like there are lots of ways to do a bottom navigation bar. The don't have this problem at all right. Lots of them. But it's part of the problem is if you're when you're a designer like if you look at the solutions they came up with when you have like this and it's like okay. This design has problems when you solve those problems quote unquote solve those problems. But like oh here's how we can do this with the existing css standard and some directives. And just do this on the web page and blah blah and then we can make a ww about an explain to people. How do you feel good that you solve those problems because you have done a clever thing. You had some problems than you solve them but you also made the problems like the problems are there because of design that you picked and so while it feels good to solve those problems and it's cool when you can come up with generic mechanism to solve them. Solve your problem but solves this entire class of problems. You still think well if you just did normal bottom toolbar them but now. There's this trail started regular bottom toolbar togas. It wouldn't be as high in this. Big i understand. You know it's a little muddy and we'll all live with this thing for a while and see how it is and maybe we'll we'll never be able to go back to the lower. You had to reach way up to the top of the phone to do anything but it's weird but anyway. My website is updated everything. I just mentioned my website is updated to accommodate if you ever look at my website when i put a post on at once per year everything. We're great on your phone. You update the website like its design and technical stuff more than you post on it way more often because it's probably once a year. I still haven't done dark mode. That's one thing. I don't support mostly because would just too much effort to try to come up with a good dark mode color scheme and i kind of don't like the idea of websites turning dark dark mode kind of like my website the same the time so i'm sorry. Her blinding every blinding. Everybody in dark mode. Oh my god. I have never been in. I've never been in opposition with you to more than i have tonight. You are you both have had a string of impressively wrong. Opinions this entire episode. I don't know what to do with the run in dark mode. I don't i run dark mode when it's dark outside. I don't run it all the time but That's the worst. I don't like my things to change. I know people i understand. People are into it. But i run it on the phone but not on the phone. No i on the phone. I do auto switching okay but on but on everything else. I'm like all the time. Maybe when you get older and start losing your night-vision you'll dark mode less. But i feel bad i should. I should come up with a good doctor but actually coming up with a good dark mode. Cost game is much harder than you think. It is apple again. Apple does an amazing job of this a lot of their dark mode color. Schemes are fantastic. And it's like a you really have to understand color theory 'cause if you like take the eyedropper and sample because you like that's the color they using. It looks awful but then you look at it in the u. I like oh it looks right same way that if you optical illusions if you like have a piece of paper that covers up the whole picture except one little square where the color is the color looks. 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Didn't live text for copying pasting looking upper translating texts within photos and interactive three d globe of the earth in the in the map more detailed maps in cities like san francisco los angeles new york london Which by the way. Those maps are crazy cool. I was impressed by that. When i saw it on the keynote and i have The beta on a test eleven pro and on my day to day ipad and those those maps are incredibly cool Texas speech in more languages including swedish danish norwegian and finnish on device keyboard dictation that performs all processing completely off flying and finally unlimited keyboard detection et which is previously limited to sixty seconds per instance. That's a that's a bummer. Particularly the The maps thing and the live text thing. I think are super super bombers that bad so this is quite a mixture of features many of which were kind of headlining features right and people might be to learn than our own intel and. Obviously this is an apples webpage. And they have a little of says the not available until maybe that will change before release. But it's not like this is just how it is in the beta and we can guess they did. Put it on our web page like. It's it's an apple dot com slash monterey hyphen preview. So it's a public web page where they're saying. Hey if you've got an intel. Mac don't expect us some of the features have a plausible if still frustrating explanation right. The portrait mode blurring facetime video. Whatever that features that were developed for ios devices and for the neural engine on the arm chip. And all that stuff yes. They could rewrite it so work than intel. But this point and apple's transition to arm how much ever do you think apple wants to spend rewriting something for intel you know to be gb you powered or to use intel's cindy instructions or whatever. There's lots of ways you could do. It's not like until quote. Incapable of the neural engine is pretty amazing. Though but still you could do it on the until max but apple doesn't want to have to invest time in writing that and a lot of the frameworks that they used to do. It are probably you know. Apple neural engine frameworks because feature was building on work. That was done when this was only ever going to ship on something with the earl engine all that so that i mean it's disappointing. It's not actually a technical barrier but you can understand why apple wouldn't wind invest the time to make an intel version. Just as flushing the rest of the until max down the toilet right so sad but understandable some other ones though you're like does this require anything having to do with the. Are you know with arm apple system on a chip or is it just that they had finished working code. That works in arm and they didn't even while they're bother even like recompiling in dealing with the issues and one example of that is the the app globes you. Apparently there's a way to rian able that future with debug flag and works just finding intel macs. So maybe maybe it has bugs on intel. Maybe they didn't want to test an anti but it all kind of gets into the sort of corporate horse-trading of like what does apple deciding to spend. Its time on. And it seems like any time. Spent on things just for intel. Macs is kinda below the line as we say in the business for apple these days with the possible exception being the newly revised mac pro tower. That supports nvidia sixty nine hundred video cards. That has been rumored for a while. So i think. I'm on with the new. They come up with a new with the news eons and everything and they come with new intel macs with the news eons and new video cards. But still you can't do like the globe map thing on intel macs. That's quite a mixture of corporate priorities. But i suppose the priorities for the super duper pro group and their customers are very different than the parties or else but it is gonna make people feel disappointed. Like if live text doesn't work and it's like oh. I saw that. I thought i see people doing that. On their max. Why can't i do it online. Echo you've got an intel mac what's intel. I don't know lie. Why they can't do is just. It just seems like a shame. Granted everyone should have our max. But apple's not gonna give her every one of those are free so i really hope that apple kind of changes his mind on at least a few of these inputs in the work to make an intel version of these features. Because i don't think it would be that much work. And even apple's not going to be selling intel macs pretty soon people are going to have them for a long time. It is kind of funny to think like you know back when we were all middle school. When when we talking oh yeah. Do you play the latest. You know doom or whatever and you know the one cable. Like i have a mac and it was like oh you. That's newport right. Like wwdc child. Yeah like your your game suck and like now like eventually apple moved to intel the same processor species we're using you can install windows on and everything like the maximum compatibility with everything. Now they they left that world and now we feel bad for the intel macs. Oh you can't do this new feature. That's too bad. We really have come full circle. Yeah just because apple's new big thing is the phone new big thing right but that's where all the action happen so it's like All the features happened on the phone at the mac can benefit from that great. But if it can't because it uses the wrong kind of processor. Oh well i mean. That's the reason they did the transition to begin with. I remember speaking of mac and dumai. Replaying duma amac. What was it. It was like it was a doomed to the mac not a good pork and it was many years after doom was obviously out on a pc and there was some kind of thing a use for mac os that gave you like youtube will tell me what was the weird pc networking doom us for her death match. Anyway it was a mac. Os extent you could doom death match against people on pbs. But through the world's jank is network stack that somehow like a house of cards like making it was like i didn't even know who had to tcp ip like the because he's used to be like an extension. It wasn't built into the operating system back the day so trumpet wind sock days. When it was like a thing that you would get for your computer and add ons you can get on the internet Anyway the framer was terrible. And i'd already played doom for like years on my friends pentiums and it was kind of pointless. The funny thing is like through this entire like circle of having the wrong processor then having the right processor now having the wrong processor again games on the mcevoy's sucked and still still sucking. We'll always suck. I mean that shows that the hardware is not usually the main barrier but there was a time in their when we are intel and get nvidia. Gp us when it was still a grim situation but at least you could just boot into windows and have the same stuff you got the same process. You got the same nvidia graphic to get the same windows and it would run at the speed that you would expect a that. You built for one. Eighth of the price would run that same game. So since i've made fun of you for being let me make fun of myself for being old I remember vividly. having friends. bring their like many tower to tower computers. And they're eight thousand pound. Crt's to my house to have sleepover and a quote unquote land party. But this was during the days of dos and so it wasn't a land party it was instead like to computers. Would connect to each other with what you would think is a serial cable but oh no no no do you remember what it's called marco null modem cable With they know modem cable and so you could play against each other because there was no like any sort of networking At that point that that was really me. I'm sure it existed but It wasn't on daas or anything like that. And then fast forward a little. While and a lot of these games on dos like doom. For example supported the aforementioned ipx networking which. I don't know where or how that ever existed for. But apparently it was a thing somewhere button. And i've i've talked about this several times on the show over the last few years but I remember getting a piece of software called cali k. l. i. and i'll put a link to the show. That was huge. Yeah and so what it would do is would emulate and ipx network like a local ipx network but it road on top of the internet. Oh on top of tcp ip so. It was like a combination of this network facade as well as a like game match system. And i'm sure that there's a better term for that with kids these days with. That's what i call it at the time. And so he could find like an. I remember playing dissent with this all the time. But you would you would figure out on the internet A you know a good group of people to play descent and you'd you'll find these rooms and kelly and then you would connect and then it would fake out. The ip network see could all play each other and this was this was applicable to many many many different dos games in windows as well at the time and it was amazing and it was shareware and i remember. I like asked dad. If i could have his credit cards to spend like twenty bucks one time to have a license in perpetuity which. I don't know that information anymore but i guess if i wanted to tell kelly again i think it's still valid But anyways it was just amazing and it's so wild how far we've come from bringing these extra exceedingly heavy computers and extremely heavy monitors upstairs to my house where we had these. No modem cables were sitting eat doritos and and You know play games against each other see also We would play point via modems modem. Call the other person's modem and they would you play the point to point in a local area against two against each other It was just it was so barbaric but at the time it was the coolest thing in the entire world and it was a miracle that we could get it to work. And golly now it's like it's it's a thinking about that. It's so ancient in preposterous technology. Man Even though i had maxed timing under bc everything you've listed. I've done cables collie like just. Because i didn't have it doesn't mean i wasn't around people who had them so i was there as technical help to do margot's spend the first hour and a half just trying to get everyone to get the map and get everything set up and get the connections to work or get. Get us like call on the phone and say. Hey we're gonna call you now hang up right. Hang on they'd have to do. The modem thing is an nightmare. I'm i miss those. They like. I don't really want to go back to these days. But i do miss those days quite a bit. And marco you did a fair number of like honest to goodness land parties. And you're didn't you. Yeah actually because like we had in our little group of friends we had Three of us had some concept of a home network Like ethernet wiring running somewhere with multiple computers But mostly it was us. Bring our giant tower computers and giant heavy. Crt monitors to each other's houses and plugging in somehow to some kind of ethernet situation. I mean it it these days. It's so much easier because these days most kids have laptops and desktops so even if your gaming performance on a laptop would be inferior to desktop performance. It would still be far more useful for like. Bring it to your friend's house and i'm playing together. Not to mention the fact that wi fi which back then it was just barely starting to come out and none of us had it So oh man it was. We had so much fun like like to go from not being able to play computer games. You know with each other in the same room to the first time we experienced. That was an upgrade in fun and in coolness i still remember those early games. I mean the very first we played was doom We didn't have a null modem cable though and one of my friends His parents had two computers because they both were like in a computer Using professionals and they had two phone lines because again they were professionals. Dial yourselves well. In by lacking modem cable we used one computer to call the other one tying up both phone lines. just give out naturally. That did not last. The parents were were not super pleased with us. Tying up to both of their phone lines for indefinite amounts of time to play. Dum then that we we do have it a lot better today but those times were very fun as well. Yeah it's funny. Bring that up because we had two phone lines for most childhood which made us pretty spoiled and the reason we had it was because you know my dad when he came home was often living on the computer. We were talking about this. A couple of weeks ago continuing to use profs which was like terminal based email solution and he would be on the phone you know dialed taibbi 'em for hours in the evenings and if we didn't have two phone lines like it would be a mess but dad would would go to bed pretty early because you always wait. Woke up early and so there were a couple hours at night that i would be awake. That the second phone would be empty and so it was not unusual to have a late night gaming session with one of my local friends. I would dial that person or they would dial me or what have you It's also funny too. Because i don't know how it is today but when martha when i was in college i think john you had a similar experience with different games but when margai were in college like Counterstrike was really big like quake two or three or something. I forget which one it was. But quake was one of the quakes was really big and is neil. Underscore underscoring the chat points out like college. Dorms were just land parties across several rooms. I played an unreasonable amount of counterstrike. Both against people my own dorm and in across the internet when i was at college and And i i again. I miss those days. They were so fun john. You had some sort of collegiate network gaming experienced didn't you. yeah it was. I mean with the mac people you can do like apple talk networks with the fonet thing or so. It was like a little adapter. Let us phone cord to type of mac and not a lot but there were there. Were mack games. There were only mack games that use apple talk networking and only apple talk networking to do their network gaming. So if you wanted to play those games you need an apple network. Nobody had an apple talk network like there were some schools. You'd hear the stories of a school like school so bought into apple stuff. They have an apple talk network in their dorm. She can apple talk network really. We'd have to make our own in our school we weren't we weren't that lucky slash unfortunate depending on how you view having at work in your dorm cool lots of reasons but not so cool but the engine it came out. I can tell you that. But yeah that bolo is the old one. When i was in school we were playing ambrosia software I never knew how to pronounce it because no one ever said these words and there was nobody on the internet but it was a r a it was either a vara or anyway it was it like a like a to d chicken walker mic three d rendered and you would shoot projectiles out of the other two chicken walker max in a three d rendered world so it was it was flat shaded textures but polygons and so it was like three d first person online shooter. Your movement direction was independent of your view direction. So is novel in that way and you were sort of controlling a vehicle. Things anyway We do that over. Apple talk over the versions of apple tunnelled across various things throughout the computer labs because to be able to run that you needed. A bunch of macs were powerful enough to do three d. stuff mostly in the days before three d cards. You need it actually pretty fast. Cpu and a fancy color screen. Which a lot of. Max didn't have black and white a lot of the older ones and also an apple talk network. Bolo is a video game. Created for the bbc microcomputer by stuart cheshire nineteen eighty seven. And all that guy. And i know that guy and then later ported cheshire cheshire to the macintosh frigging way so stewart works at apple. Now indies mr Discovery will not. Just what's the the md responders eurocom rendezvous. Yup yup yup. That was his baby and he's still at apple as of just a couple months ago anyway so that is super wild. I didn't realize that was stewart. That's super cool. You could find find people to match against by going to the chooser where you chose your printer no way. That's that's absolutely bananas. That's super cool. Well see now. I feel too and now we're all even again all right now. Then i'm gonna better mood and don't hate you to anymore Tell me what's exciting disability. John everything just utility me. Is this an area where you really want excitement like. That's really exciting. Things and disk utility. I mean last last time they touched it. It was not good. Yeah well that that's the problem. They change just utility. I forget when a couple of years ago now and they changed it by essentially like seemed like it was almost like an all new app. Because the i looked all new all people really cared about was hey. Where is this feature that i used to be able to do. And it's not there anymore. So the interface was new and look clean and was quote unquote simplified but a bunch of features were missing slowly but surely most of the home comeback some of them haven't some of them have left just because of the massive change in the way max boot especially the one back like even max. They've been changing the way they boot. Adding the t one and t to chip and all that other stuff then with the arm based max. The boot process of max is totally different. And much more like it is on as you can imagine on the phones and ipads and that impacts what you can and can't do this you till the abf s came out which changes everything about the file system and how it works and for a while disability didn't have the features to didn't they couldn't do all the things that abf could do issued has to do them from the command line and it's been a long time. This is getting more features and this year finally in monterey if you open up this utility and select in the sidebar one of your ap s volumes. You will see at the bottom. A new little section of the u. i. That shows you da all your snapshots and not only does it show you shots but you can add and remove snapshots from google. Imagine that m util anymore and it also has a bunch of columns you can customize the cons and show more of them but some of the cons that that are included are something called tied mark and private size and size and if you mouse over these things and get help them little to explain what they mean. This is trying mightily to explain. How much extra space is taken up by this snapshot. If i deleted this snapshot how much space would i get back and it has to do with what what is the delta from this snapshot to the previous one and what does the tide mark of the lar- the largest allocation bite you know used by this snapshot. It's the definitions are complicated. It's not particularly clarifying to the average person but if you really want to know some more details now. There's an actual gooey to show you information about snapshots. I hope people don't send other people here to say. Hey if you can't install my software urban disability go down to the snapdragon everything that minus button but at least that's better than telling them go to you know tm util local snapshots and then type of date in the special format or like. It's less fraught than going to the command line. So i'm glad to see utility expanding to finally start to actually expose a lot of the functionality that has been in now if only the finder could do a better job of telling how much space is really free discs. We'd be making some progress baby steps. Imagine that so when there seemed to be a convergence of mac os in iowa s. A lot of mac fans including me got really nervous because it seemed like bad. Things could come here you know. Be here be dragons but there are some things that seem really cool that have been integrated or from tobacco us and here's one of them. Apparently mac. os monterey allows you to erase amac without needing to reinstall the operating system. That is super cool Seemingly in system preferences there's an option to erase all user data and user installed apps from the system while maintaining the operating system currently installed because the storage is always encrypted on mac systems with apple silicon on the t to chip or the tip. This system is instantly and securely erased by destroying the encryption keys. Very cool so many years in coming because like if you remember the path amac is traveled. I it was just like a mac and you had a boot disk and everything was on and if he raised this everything was gone. And then they put the operating system on a separate partition. And then there's the operating system is on a british and it's real and the operating system in the last supper audition it's read only. Actually you booted from a snapshot its cryptographic we signed. And at that point you basically have parody with iowa and this is what apple says and their webpage the phrase they use a phrase that should be familiar to iowa users people with phones ripe as a race all content and settings. That's been an option on our phones forever. You know. I want to get rid of my stuff on the phone sale on a give this phone. Hand me down to my kid. I want my stuff to be off and you just do a race all content and settings and what that would be doing on your device is essentially thrown away the encryption key for the user data section of the storage. It didn't you didn't have to reinstall the operating system. Because i was system sealed off somewhere else and now the max are like that too and now you get the advantage. Now you can essentially wipe your mac just as fast as you can wipe your phone extremely cool stuff all right john. Tell me that. I had private relay in how this all works this. I think we talked about it. And the keynote episode was like oh seems like kind of like a vpn but it's subtly different that there's been a lot of articles about this. But i think it was worth touching on briefly. Put a link to jason's arkalyk explains it well so to recap what a vpn is. Vpn is like when you can. And you can have a vpn for subsets of the network of the whole network. But essentially we're going to tell your traffic over the secure connection through some servers that we control lots of people's workplaces use them. So you can tunnel into your works internal network normally that all of the your internal work stuff would be completely invisible because the internal ip addresses that are not publicly radical but if you get a vpn it will make a secure tunnel with your authentication credentials. So that on your home from your home network when you're working from home for a year because of covid you can actually get on your works internal network. That's sorta vpn upn. You can say okay. Every piece of traffic goes to. And from my mac over the network even vpn or you can have say only for this subset of addresses. Go through the ep. And you have flexibility. But that's what a vpn is people use vpn's for non were purposes to essentially disguise. Where they're coming from guys. You know who they are where they're coming from because from the perspective of once you go through the vpn. The vpn is the thing connecting to the rest of the internet and the rest of the internet. Thanks i'm getting a connection from whatever the vpn is but they don't know who you are as part of the encryption. So you can make it seem like you live somewhere where you don't if you go through. Vpn it's in a different country as far as the service that you can. I can do start. It looks like you're coming from that country where you really are so and so forth. I call it. Prior really is not a vpn. But it's aimed at trying to preserve your privacy while you browse the web. So here's the description of how it works instead of you have upn. Which is this essentially one single proxy you go through. I've thought by uses two separate parts here one call ingress proxy and the one called the egress proxy. The the ingress proxy is by apple. And that's the thing that hides your ip address you connect to the ingress proxy and the english. Seize your ip address. Because you're connecting. There's unfortunately if again if you're not on a vpn there's no way to avoid that. Gingrich proxy seize your ip address. But the english proxy doesn't see what you're trying to connect to because that has been crippled on your mac and sent over the wire so the ingress proxy says okay. Well i know this person's ip address. And then i have is encrypted packet. This is where they're getting too. But i don't know what's in that and then it passes on to the egress proxy but when it connects to the egress proxy. The proxy says who's connecting to me and it sees the ip address of the proxy because that is connecting to it so as far as the proxies concerned. Oh i'm getting a connection from apple's ingress server right by the way here's the content it's this encrypted packet of telling you are supposed to apparently somehow in a way that hasn't been explained it anywhere that i've seen the egress. Proxy has the keys to decrypt the place. Where you're trying to get to a place where you're trying to get to say apple dot com and then it connects apple dot com and get the information and data flows back that way so it's trying to split up the information so that one place knows you're not where you're going and the next place knows where you're going but not your ip and apple pitches this as privacy preserving because apple runs the ingress proxies. But it doesn't have to run the egress. Proxies farms them out to third parties right and you can imagine how they're to be a public private key exchange over this whole row where you could get it so the egress proxies no to decrypt the thing. But here's the problem alba keeps pestering. This is like what the vpn unions you really trust that vpn provider because they see all your traffic like everything goes through there. They have all the keys to the kingdom. And this thing you know you trust anybody because apple knows one thing. It doesn't the other in. The third party knows the other thing does the problem. Is you have to trust apple like in the end all the stuff you have dropped out because apple's the one telling us that oh yeah on your mac will encrypt the the where you're trying to get to. And then we'll send it along and apples. The one to sign do that encryption. They could choose not to do the encryption. They could do the encryption and then send the keys somewhere else are usable like you have the end. You have to trust apple because they're writing the software that implements the system. So apple could know all is information. Apple's telling us on one hundred percent believe them that they're not doing that they are literally encrypting it and you know passing it on and they can't be because apple wanna know this information they want it to be secure but in the end you have to trust apple or rather. Let's say apple has hacked and someone puts a backdoor and their operating system. It would be trivial easy to get access to all this traffic because again. Apple's operating system frameworks are the ones implementing it and deciding to encrypt the stuff. Right so thing. I'm curious about is actually the key exchange with how does the egress proxy has. The process have the ability to decrypt the encrypted address that get sent along to it while the proxy doesn't have that ability. I'm not sure how. They key exchange worse than i don't think it's been explained but you that's what it does and the second thing that's different about this. Vpn is well. what's inclusiveness. Is it all network traffic. Is it a subset of the network. It's even more specific than that. The only things that apple says included are browsing from the safari web browser specifically so it seems like some this is implemented in whatever framework safaris using like when you go to connect to a web page safari itself or some frameworks that it using says rather than making hdp connection to the target website. I'm going to encrypt where you're trying to get going to connect to an ingress server and pass long whatever pack it in whatever format to the like safari or some framework is doing that. The other thing is included. Dns queries which makes sense. Because if you don't see where he will browsing but you see what they do. Dns look ups for you. Still know where they're browsing. They did a dns up for triple w. dot apple dot com. But then i don't know what web page they went to. They probably went to apple that like. It's not it's not a data right so they so they they're they're tunneling the dns queries through the private relays. Well there are lots otherwise security in us too by the way this is during their it over this thing and they will also go through the private rela- for what they call a subset of traffic by which they they have explained that they mean playing hdp so non https traffic right so apparently if any app tries to make it plain unencrypted hdp connection. It will go through private right. And here are the things that doesn't apply to doesn't apply to land connection so anything on your local network in any form probably doesn't do doesn't apply to private domains. A not entirely sure what they mean by that but maybe just like domains that are not in the public privately. Radical believe that's internal. Yeah doesn't apply to network extensions. Vpn's apple has apple still supports. Vpn's you can run a vpn. Also use private relay like the vpn is a separate thing like. I assume that if you ran both of them either primarily wouldn't go through the vpn or would go through the vpn on its way to hitting the ingress server like it'd be interesting because if you're doing your vpn that makes it look like you're coming from a different country. Would it use the ingress server in that country because that's another thing about private relates intentionally making you look like you come from a different place so it will use an ingress server. That's nearish to you so it won't be like they won't be able to pinpoint you'll be able to tell like the example. They'll be able to tell the somewhere in the bay area but they won't be able to pinpoint you to the same way they could if you had if they had your ip address because the bear is a big place and i imagine the farther away from cities you get the less the bigger the potential area where you could be as because i'm not sure they have seven thousand dhingra service in wyoming right and the network extensions are things that are used to like seen network traffic as it goes by and filtered. All that stuff still works with private relay that stuff. It doesn't obsolete them. It doesn't replace them. They still function. And then finally if you have some configured proxy it says okay. Well they already have some of the things they need to go through so private really can't work because you have to go through the proxy right the interesting bit towards the end of the recession about this. It was like for all you people out there. Because any time you say anything about networking everybody who has to like. Support max in the enterprise and businesses like. Oh no what is this going to do. Until like no one's going to be able to get to the internet and everything's gonna break or whatever so the question is hey what if you run the apple example to if you are an enterprise or education customer and you don't want private relay to be on your network and i can imagine there are a lot of people who work in education and who don't want primary just another headache right. Here's what you can do. Here's a suggestion. So the first thing is step one block the resolution of apple's ingress servers because like apple systems will try to say i need to talk to ingress server. Let me look went up by name. Presumably apple's going to give you a list of the dns names of all their service basically blocked the dns. Because you control the network also control dns and make sure your it makes it unresolvable right once. You've blocked dns apple's devices and we'll still try to connect to private relay but they'll fail and when they'll fail. You got a message that we have a screenshot of here in the notes that has been able to give campus. Wi fi. isn't compatible club private really. You will not be able to access the internet unless you turn off l. primarily for this network turning off. I relied means. It's not working monitor. Engine activity blah blah blah blah blah. And so you will be prompted to turn off private rela- one you're on this specific networks for example on your works wifi and if you say continue without private relay then every time you connect you works. Wifi won't even try to use private rely. But then when you're elsewhere will use it so basically primarily has essentially on by default for everybody who has this feature and the only way to stop it is if you own the network make it not work and if it doesn't work the operating system will say i see it's not working duwamish on this network anymore. It's it's pretty bold of apple to do this. It shows their commitment to privacy. It's pretty weird that the privacy still depends on you entirely trusting apple but i can't rolling out feature like this always find terrifying. I'm terrified by proxy. I'm terrified for them. Because point you can just break everybody's stuff so easily if you mess this up in even the smallest way and i'm sure network amends are not relishing. The idea of having to deal with us this this kind of came across my radar pretty quickly because it occurred to me that my beloved pie hole which is a dina server that. I never gonna stop me funny. It's it's hilarious name The whole that. I run in the house Which is edina server for the house that will block advertisements and trackers and things of that nature. Well that's going to be in conflict with with with the private relay. And so i for a minute there. I thought i have to go in on all the devices and go ahead in disabled private relay on for myself on anything you know on anything. I wanna use them in the house and it looks like that's not the case i can just on the pie hole. I can tell it to not resolve these servers and that should fix me up some. I'm pretty excited to see. Why don't you just y will not be compatible with it because the whole idea. Is that it the way the whole pie hole works is dns server right. So so most so maybe. I'm i misunderstood private relay but the idea is when with. Are you going to bypass here. Dns server exactly pretty sure. That's the case. I'm pretty confident that if you make your pyeho probably radical ip address you can make it work sure. Yes that's what i know. I think you're right. But i would also argue with all the stuff that safari is doing with its own built in like tracker blocking the than the the difference between what you're getting from pyeho versus that is really then just like ad blocking so like maybe it's worth it. Maybe not but you know maybe you could shift it onto the the software side and you do ad blocking extensions in your browsers and stuff. You can run. Yeah you can run. Those network extensions that. I mentioned abacus like am i. I understand why is more attractive. You run than at one place works for all your devices but all apple devices support. You know never extensions. The block is totally. But you know what pie hole also blocks this other things like the the the amazon tube phoning home might television phoning home and yes we can have discussions about whether or not i should have an amazon tube or whether or not i should have. Tv connected to the internet. Which actually at this point. Maybe i shouldn't since the apple. Tv has been updated has the four k. Goodness now but how you're blocking out from the pile just by blocking the dns look up because if you if you know where they're trying to connect it to just block that like in your router essentially say don't allow connection. That's your effectively. What i'm doing now because Doing it in the. But you're doing it from dns you're like you're not blocking the connection if they knew the ip address that connect which is a flaw in your system because all you know these tv manufacturers are going to be hard coating list of ip addresses dns ups. But i mean everything you said is accurate but i like the fact that even for the non technical users in my home they are getting the benefits of all this without having to do any work the benefit slash breakage. Yes but i've tuned it such that. It very rarely breaks for erin and she and she has a shortcut. You know like an apple shortcut in order to turn the pie hole off should should she eat and she associate knows how to shut your pile. She knows exactly how to shoot my job. That's exactly right. She has so many ways of shutting my pie hole. I cannot even begin to tell you. How many years have you been married coming up on our anniversary. It is fourteen years this year so she knows very well how to shut my pie hole. Don't you worry about this going back to this feature i. I really am very interested to follow. You know the direction this is going because yeah so much of tracking and privacy protection falls down at the ip address level. So much of it is like well we can. We can block trackers and we can block certain access things and cookies and all this other stuff but creepy companies can still form pretty reliable identification for us based on i p address and we she this in the podcast spacing on the podcast trackers and everything like let's just this this unavoidable hole in our privacy that like the ip address is always like. Here's where it falls down and that's why a lot of people are using vpn's for this purpose for the purpose and everything But this is like the the like the one big wall that keeps us being tracked a lot more than than i think most people would want or find reasonable and to have apple taking such a big step towards removing that as as a trackable data point for a large portion of users. That's a significant step and that affects tons of stuff like going back for a second of the podcast business. This is going to massively break podcast. Analytics and podcast ad tracking and as podcasters. We should definitely be a little bit apprehensive about about going to however first of all we don't have a choice so here it is but you know i think this is breaking in a good way. I think the this is going to be very destructive to a large part of the advertising and tracking and stats collecting business but where we are afterwards like once the dust has settled and once people have figured out how you know how to do things like count unique podcast downloads in a reasonably approximation way without using ip addresses to identify uniqueness. And you know the rest of the system as well all the different contractors and everything some of them will will die or have these may harder for them obu. Here's this tiniest violin But once the dust settles on all of this now a year or two or three down the road and even assuming that maybe apple goes even further with this in the future and expensive to more transfer types of more more network trips more more apps and everything else. i think. We're going to be a really good place because the ip address as a tracking mechanism will become so much less useful. And we really need that for privacy. We like the whole industry society like we really need that because we still have people out there. Arguing that ip addresses are not personally identifiable information and therefore should fall under the protections of various privacy laws and everything and it's total bs total garbage every day to broker can reverse look up when i dress to a person like. That's that's that's the date is out there. it's so easy it's trivial. It's cheaper to get it if they want to And so p addresses absolutely our personal information and are extremely trackable and extremely exploitable for creepy reasons by by creepy people and companies so to remove a big chunk of that is a very good move for the internet and for society as a whole and so as as much as it will cause a lot of disruption in the short term long term. Is it going to be great. It's good for privacy. But when you talk about the internet as a whole coming from the respective of networking like if you're a network engineer which i'm not but just in general like trying to funnel everybody's traffic through like if you didn't know about the privacy thing you'd be like what are they doing like because these ingress and egress service. You're going to have to have a lot of these. They're gonna have a lot of traffic funnel through them end. It is not the most efficient way to get data from point. A. point b. it is the you know as a rube goldberg machine. Technically you're right but the way the appears to be implemented is with cdn's which is actually really clever. Think about is like so the things apple talk about in explaining this in in the sessions and everything is that this largely doesn't break region detection and the reason why is because they're using basically. Cdn end points all over the world. So that you're still gonna come from your approximate region. You know you might be like a city size granularity or like you know the central ohio. Maybe like instead of you know your exact neighborhood with your cable company or whatever but you're still going to be like nearby and if you think about like using cdn's as as like the nodes in the system is actually really clever because just by the nature of you know what you need to deploy modern cds like you have endpoint everywhere. You've tons of them all over the place and so if all you're doing is going to the nearest cdn node not only. Are you not going very far. And not only are there tons of those around the world to help share the load but also because it's a note of a popular. Cdn it might even already have the content you're looking for in its local cash. So it's it's only a short trip to go from you to the egress node and then the egress node might not actually have to go very far. To get your data in the first place it might even be local. So i think ultimately this is probably gonna prove to be pretty effective in pretty transparent most of the time. I think what you described as basically why it won't be a complete disaster from day one hopefully but it's not a security says that weird fish nerve that goes through your body but it's also not ideal because sometimes you are connecting to something that we much more straightforward you. I mean maybe it depends on where you're like. I can act to serve some of which are local in the area and going to the i even. If it's a the end. That's also in boston and then going out of that end to a server then it would be more straightforward to me. Go from me to go right to the thing. You know what i mean like. It's not a security. So i have to go to. I have to go to london and then back to get some server in boston but sometimes if the thing you're trying to get to like the reason is because stuff that's honestly the ends is farther away from you for them to see the end but that is not necessarily the case when you're doing this because everything goes through the private relay when you're browsing and safari right As opposed to just the things that are closer to you because they are in a cd. Right so i see the ends in general if you look at them. You're like okay. This makes some sense because if the didn't exist maybe they'd take a different route but they'd have to go farther. They have to go more hops. They have to go geographically father to get this because the actual servers in california. Now they got it from cd. That's ten miles away from them. That's good thumbs up even looks a little bit weird but this one is not quite as clear a win and because cds like instead of and built up so much it will probably be okay. This capacity is probably. They're like apple. Never says this but like the reason. The egress servers are third. Party is because if they weren't apple to have thousands and thousands and thousands of servers all of the world. And guess what that's cdns already do. So that's why it's a third party provider. I don't know how they don't say they're probably have contracts with every season that would give them the time of day all of the entire world because you really have no choice to even just make feasible and it's also not routing everything through it but just doing safari. dns queries and playing hud. Given the number of devices they have in. The world is a lot of traffic. So i imagine there is a big red button somewhere inside apple. Metaphorically speaking say let's turn off icloud. Private relay because everything is broken. The internet doesn't work. We'll fix it in the next release will end to clarify. It's not just tv traffic insofar it's all safari traffic an and in so it's a far. It's everything safari every dns query and also any hdd fever. Any up exactly. Yeah so the only silly like you know like overcast will be will be able to use this for the downloads of podcast episodes. That are not sort of race. Gps which is admittedly most of them. So you can screw up our own stats forest. That's nice thanks. Yes ours are served. Thank you very much all right. We are sponsored this week by squarespace start building your website today at squarespace dot com slash. Atp and offer code ata checkout to get ten percent off. Make your next move with squarespace. Squarespace makes it incredibly easy for you to make an incredible website for whatever your new project or business or portfolio. 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Atp it's been a while since we've done it Able to most rights house mara finding the transition dapple silicon as a developer has anything marcus textile broken as a result of apple. I'm hesitating to make the jump. Because i hear that homebrew has jenky on the apple. Comebacks homebrew has proven to be no less reliable for me on my apple silicon macs that has been all my other. Max you know. You have such homebrew problems. I'm not trying to say you're wrong. I'm not trying to you're holding it wrong. It's funny to me. Because i really do not have homebrew problems. And you're constantly complaining about it once. I set it up. It works as long as nothing has to get touched now eventually over time. Easy to install something else or change something update something at that point the entire thing breaks and and the only solution usually at that point tends to be remove everything and homebrew and reinstalled i have a shell script that i maintain for mostly reconfiguring. My homebrew stuff. Even that i. i usually can't just run it. You know six months later or a year later. 'cause that it doesn't work if i just run it but i can at least use it to like copy and paste one at a time and see what how it fails and modify at the file so that hopefully next time i can just run and of course i never can but yeah otherwise other than other than my home drama. Look she's going to expand now because i. I don't know if you saw the news on twitter that mac. Os monterey no longer includes php at all like they've been warning you on the command line for a few releases now like hey you should stop using this. It's going to be removed in a future release. Well it's removed actually what that what they say about. Php specifically if you run php dash dash version. They don't they just say. Php is not recommended address. Broadly speaking in general it is not recommended the other ones they do say you should get it in version or whatever. Yeah so peach gone which other ones are gone because i think perl and python are still there python three. I don't think anything else is. Removed visited version. Php has totally gone perl and python. I believe are still showing those errors or there's warnings rather but i believe they're still there and there's something about python being like two point seven and that's apparently ancient now but anyway i don't know anything about that but So the question also as a developer has been largely. Fine i really have had no downsides to it besides the fact that very long compiles. I'm cranking away at those cores. And i and i want more cores Other than that. it's been it's been totally great. I i don't think. I have any other problems really but that's exciting. I'm i really want to get myself a new laptop as we've discussed many times i do not want to give up any of my four ports And so and i. And i don't want a big one. I want to you know thirteen or fourteen inch. Or what have you. And i really wanna get a new laptop but then if i get new laptop than my i mac pro will be slow in ancient and i don't want that either so there's the monitor situation because there's no and there's the monitor situation because there's no big mac Yeah it's just a mess. As soon as they released that forty cormac perlman. The best thing is going to be when the new forty cormac pro comes out but it doesn't support the protas bikes the hell. God resale value of just drops to the floor on them. After we all find out all right moving right along. So ralph crack hausky rights. What do you think that apple released version of mac. Os that no longer supports. Intel is a good question. I would say if it's twenty twenty one now say twenty twenty six would be my guess about five years and i think that's aggressive. Actually i think it might be even later than that. But i think twenty twenty six at the earliest wanting twenty six. I actually did a little bit of preparation for this question. Because it's been in the nose also so here. Here's some background. At the most recent transition the transition was announced the wdc two thousand five the first intel mac ship in january two thousand six. The first intel only mac os ten ship in august. Two thousand nine so it was three years and seven months after the first intel mac. So we're going to arm transition was announced. Wbz twenty twenty first are action november of two thousand twenty so if we fast forward three years and seven months that pins at a pretty much. Exactly w w twenty twenty. Four apple announces the first version of that does not support intel. That's if they exactly follow the intel transition. The question is are they going to transition faster than they went to intel or slower and. It's a complicated question because they seem to be going pretty fast. But there's still that nagging rumor of the revised intel mac pro. And it's like maybe everything will be converted. But if that mac pro is still hanging around the hannah ship mac. Os doesn't support it for a while. So i don't i i would say twenty. Twenty four is when you should like. That's the. I don't know the betting terms like i feel like that is probably wanna say. It's the earliest. It could happen because they could do three years flat. I think there's a pretty broad range. Because i think apple will be. We'll have all of its line converted. Except maybe the mac pro pretty darn quickly and they seem to moving very aggressively again witnessed the features that are not supported the monterey on intel and again seemingly not just a thing about the betas but they put on their public webpage information for customers. That says yeah. This isn't going to be on your intel macs so maybe twenty twenty three. Is it conceivable for when this could happen. Marco i was going to go with you. Casey with you know about a five year time scale but man. I'm getting some good points now. I look at the dates because in your mind you think oh yeah. It was probably like five years. I've not three years and seven months after the versace mac. That's when here's the thing that's when they shipped the first intel version until version of mac. Os ten that doesn't mean it's when everyone upgraded version especially back then. People didn't upgrade as quickly right. So there's the question that was the question is when do you think they will release that version but on that day. Some the intel maximum. Puff go up in a puff of smoke. How many people are still running like high sierra on their max right now like i know apple pushes the updates much harder than they used to but practically speaking a lot of people just keep running the old operating system and they they just live with badge on their system preferences and dismissed annoying nags. You've seen people on their phones to somehow people are able to weather the storm of apple's like constant messages it's for trying to force you to update and they just won't do it and they just become part of their life is dismissing xilai boxes so So yeah one day apple releases the first mac. Os doesn't support intel isn't the day your income Down to nothing. You're until mac casey's multiple. Yeah no and i think i. It's hard to estimate this because on one hand apple does usually support old max for quite some time with software updates like the lifetime of max and software update support is pretty long it off to the point where you but you probably shouldn't update the new one. But you can if you want to. But the other side of this is that when apple has moved on to a new something like a new technology a new paradigm whatever. They are very fast. Drop the old one to drop support for it to pretend like it never existed to move quote move forward. And that's it's a wonderful euphemism for like instantly dropped support for everything and so what like combining those two conflicting factors you know when when nothing has changed as the has gone along supporting new intel macs and old intel macs in the same software release. Isn't that different. But because the apple silicon transition is so significant. And there's and there's so many interesting in major differences in how the hardware works and the hardware capabilities. I think they're going to be more aggressive with this. I i think it's going to be a shorter time span than we think but the problem is the question is asking about. Macaroni specifically like like they. They're not going to release a version of mac. Os that can't run on their still still being sold intel mac pro probably so if the macro if they do revise that machine and takes them longer than we think the carolina with the arm on just going to have like i don't i don't see them shipping a new announcing a new version of macos. Os wbz. This will run on all our max except for our very latest mac pro. No they would just pretend like they don't sell any more like they would they would show a big slide on screen. That showed all the other max and just that's just missing but it's fine to drop older models like they always do that. Oh this one. Run on your twenty four. I'm accuweather but to drop literally a scenario where they don't have the arm mac pro out so there will be literally the newest macro available unsupported. So i just. That's that's the only thing that makes me think they might actually make it to. Wwe twenty twenty four before doing this but if they continue at their current pace they could do it sooner than does he. Twenty four twenty two wbz twenty just like. It's pretty much down to the month. Exactly the gap they had with the intel want. So maybe that's the middle of the range. But i agree are with marco that they could definitely go earlier and the thing is they move fast when they can obviously in certain things like they move. They move as fast as they could with swift but it practically speaking of took awhile for swift to develop and also they can't draw quote unquote drop support for object procedures. Half their operating system systems written. And after you know what i mean like. They can't do that but they very quickly move on like you know to the point. Where when swift was announced all. Wbz's slides had to have examples in swift as well as objective c right. They're very clear like at. This is the new thing and unless something terrible happens swift is going to be it and it just takes a while to come in so with hardware. it's even easier. It's like look armas new thing we all know it. it's awesome. everybody loves it. It's going great and so as soon as the sooner we can forget about an anti stuff. The better and the thing is when you when you don't when you quote unquote no longer support it. Those intel macs keep working. They can live out their natural life and eventually just be old and even older and slower than they are now the operating systems. They have are fine. It would be nice if apple maybe extended its security update interval a little bit longer for the intel macs. You know what i mean like. Just say you. We know you're not gonna get any more or less updates but you're practically speaking. Your mac works fine. You can continue to use it and maybe we'll give you software updates for one extra year but we'll see and then finally Brian piree rights in all the speculation. About apple's high end back processors in the number of cores of different types. I haven't heard much talk about the performance differences between low power versus a high power or high performance cores in broad strokes. How did the ice storm cores. He's only one tenth power the firestorm course. That's pretty simple answer. They got stuff in them. We'll have some lake in the show notes to comparison of the ice storm in the firestone course but these are all super scale designs which means they have multiple units that do things so unit is like a thing that can add numbers together right. Cpu's modern abuse don't have just one thing they can add numbers. They don't have two things kind numbers they have like six or seven thinks that can add numbers and those are just for the injure numbers and then how many floating point unit so they have how many load store units to they have the the low power course have fewer execution units few things that can add fewer load store units fluor hewer for lying point units. If you think of those things is like the little machines that do the math that computer does it just has less of them and so it takes power to run them. It's like if you think. I mean it's weird thing of this but if you think about a car that had like seventeen different v eight engines right. Those are like the fresh five e twelve engines. Those are like the engines. Or whatever right. How much gas does that thing take. And then you take another thing that has to. V8's one v twelve. It just takes less gas because you're running stuff. It's the same thing with electric sitting execution unit. So the most important way is that they're just have less stuff in fact sometimes depending on the things they had there may be some execution. It's that the low power just don't even have at all. I don't think that's the case with ice storm firestorm. I think they can all execute the same instructions but they have fewer units. They may also be clock. Lower when you have your units. You need less machinery shorter pipelines lower. You know execution windows. There's lots of things you can do like the associated. Machinery needs to keep track fewer instructions. That are in flight at any one time. And that also shrinks the amount of essentially circuitry. You need which shrinks the amount electricity. You need so. That's what it is that people say. Like oh i don't stuff running on the quote unquote slow. The ice storm units. They're only slow compared to the firestone once they're plenty fast like you know in. I don't know if this is the hello. How're works but imagine you can have a low power mode for your mac they would turn off the high-performance things in just run your mac entirely on the quote unquote high efficiency units. I wonder how many people would tell. If you're not like you know executing encoding video or doing a big compiler something you probably wouldn't even notice like. That's that's what i was talking about the auto sort of auto low power mode. The high efficiency cores are plenty fast. If you benchmark just the high efficiency course against whatever in old intel mac. You're using right now. It may embarrassed them right so don't worry too much about using the slow course in in practice like that is an effective use of resources because when you're just clicking around on web pages nothing's happening until you click and then for brief fractions of a second maybe the high power wants could come into being and do something and then go back to sleep so for ice storm units. They're probably what most of us are gonna be using most of the time while the computer sits around for the dumb human to do something. Thanks to our sponsors this week squarespace. Lynn owed and and thank you to our members who support us directly you can join at. Adp that fm slash join. We will talk to you next week. Now the show is over. They didn't even mean to begin. Accidental was accidental. John research marco and casey would him because it was accidental was accidental. You can find the show. Notes today into them s. l. I assess that's casey lists. And own a m. anti marco arment are kc syracuse and the body cheer on has to a basically true v. Sixteen but i'll take to to volkswagen. V8's just shove them weld them together into one giant engine seriously. What is the w sixteen. Because it's the two us make a w. Yes that's right that's right. It's not cereal. It's it's not parallel. Either interleaved also takes a lot of what was the it was. It wasn't that it was the what was the one before the cheer on the that could run at full throttle for twelve minutes before running against Yeah you know Since we're in opposed show neutral. Now good bye. Everybody nice having a marco in john and i were talking in our is the industry calls. That are super-secret private channel. And did you know. Gentlemen which i know you to did that. The brand new tesla model s the whatever version it is that has played mode zero to sixty in under two seconds contested contested highly. Well because i don't think anyone has measured that and there's like if you find search for it on youtube you'll find some youtube channels explaining how engineering wise. It is extremely unlikely that that is true. Unless you roll out casey. Is that where you get a little bit of a roll and then stand on the gas. No it's like so Have you searched for rolling to find some explanations right so it has to do with limitations. Roller nicely done limitations in in instrument technology on the drag strip from back in the day like a race and you wanted to say you know racist cars and give them times at the end of the drag racing race and spinning around for decades and decades. We didn't have good technology for saying. When have i started to go. So essentially light sensors and it would be like so in. The light is hitting the sensor. You're not breaking the beam. So you're you know you're at the starting line right. And they want to say when or action. I think they had you break the beam and then when the beam is continuous again. Pass it right so you would break the beamers. I don't i don't know the details screwing up the bottom line. Is that for some period of time. You're we'll be rolling past the beam right and during that time during the whole time. You're wheel is rolling. That beam is blocked and only when the wheel has rolled enough to get past the beam. Does it connect again right. And so that amount of time when you're going from zero to my wheel has rolled around enough to pass. The beam doesn't doesn't count against your like whatever your time your quarter mile time. You're zero sixty time. The tradition of allowing that rollout has continued so that in every car magazine when you see zero to sixteen time. That's not the time it took from the car stationary to the car going. Sixty is the time it took after the car had done its rollout and then from visit cars already moving that the clock starts when the wheels already moving you get essentially zero to one two three four or five miles an hour for free and that's just tradition from like every car magazine does otherwise you couldn't compare the zero to sixty times across decades right and so they just keep doing it and so any zero sixty time you see. You might have to ask the question. Is that zero to sixty or you. Roll out and even with roll out. Some people are saying that sub two with street legal tires. No matter how much power you have it's kind of a friction friction situation. You'd really need just the right road surface because you can have infinity. Power is just a question of. How quickly can you transfer the power to the road. And so i haven't seen actually any measured Pluses sub twos and most of the supercars. That you see like the videos for the the remark navarra. I think being the name right. Have you seen those. There's a bunch of do now. It's like a two thousand horsepower. Electric supercar is ridiculous. It doesn't does not lack correspond. I think it has two thousand two hundred pound feet of torque or something. It's got four motors one each wheel and it weighs like an eighth of the model s. Right the problem is how do you turn that power into making karfa go forward. And it's surprisingly difficult the street legal tires on regular roads but even that it was running like eight and a half second quarter miles which is phenomenal. St car if you know anything about drag racing and it was zero six these were in the very low twos breaking through. The twos really does not come down. To how much power do you have or even just how light your car is like how. How much traction can you get on the ground in that show abuse and whether or not you're accounting for roll out or how you're coming out so it's mostly academic but the bottom line is the. My last flat is extremely fast. Car will has. Marco has said multiple times. Make you feel like someone punching you in the face when you accelerate in it in an unpleasant way that you probably won't want to repeat unless you're a trained to be an astronaut. That's not true. it's funny though. I'll let you guys decide whether or not you want to explain the context here. But i was building a model s just for fun just for fun and there are not very many options these days which in most cars i find extremely frustrating in this context. I actually don't really mind. But one option that. I really wanted to see that i didn't see was the option for a scheme steering wheel because that thing has the stupid yoke here in the united states. And it's the only choice you have. And i can assure you that may be v best automobile that has ever been produced but the chances of me buying one money no object. The chances of me buying with that stupid yoke on it are zero. Not approximately zero literally zero. What are they thinking. It's probably make them change it. After a bunch of people die from trying to use saturday's apart absolutely. That's the one option that everybody wants them to make an option and they they won't dude. What do you what do you think happens. I you can buy a new model s with the steering wheel again or apple. Improves the design of safari in iowa. Twelve to the bottom bar is a little bit more. That's not that's not. I appreciate the humor. You're going for. But i think the question is. Will we get a full size steering wheel. As an option perhaps a retrofit on the model s. or will apple make meaningful changes to improve the experience for independent developers on their platforms or will they fix notifications on the menu. Not a equally impactful problems in the earlier. Today i had to dismiss a stack of notifications to to counter notification. Stacked up and i had to click the little x. To make form the clear all button and then click that however and that's hard enough in regular circumstances however through some combination of what might have been a bug the top half of the clear. All an ex buttons was under the menu bar so i had to click on only the bottom. It's nearly impossible to hit. these targets. reliably when they're at their normal size. Try it when they're half size preposterous. I can't. I can't get over 'cause as much as i love to poop all over tesla which has become basically my one of my favorite pastimes. I particularly like the model s. in general. I like the three. I've been in an axe. And i liked that quite a bit but the model s. mon- leaving the an incredible amount of money. Aside is is a really really nice car. I really honestly believe that i'm not. I'm not blowing smoke. It's a really nice car. And if i had more money than i have i might even own one at this point but i cannot fathom looking at that god awful yoke and thinking. Yes yes. I would like that please. That sounds delightful. Just a no absolutely not. And then if you get the model s. with the yolk. I don't know it doesn't have the oak as well. I think it. I think they're going to if they haven't already. Yeah 'cause the those tend to get updated together. I mean like right now. If if i had to get a new tesla today if i couldn't just buy a used one or by at my current one which but i'm going to do but if i couldn't just you know get used if i had to pick new. I think i'd probably go with a why just because it's closest of the oak the x. does have the oak. Yes what are they thinking so like. The only the why at least has a steering wheel doesn't have a dashboard. But at least so. I just this is what this is. Why i i got to drive my car yesterday for the first time in probably almost a month and i was so happy driving it not not driving. Mind you regular like the act of driving. I no longer enjoy. Driving is running an errand and going through traffic and it's it's almost comical like how much olive westchester is. Always under construction at the same roads aren't a construction constantly like the road. The main arterial like local traffic roads. That are around. My neighborhood are always under construction. I don't know why there's never a break. It's repave at once. Then it's done like there's just always tearing up different sections of it for god. God knows what reason. I'm trying to remember cove had made us all. Forget but like same deal around here. It's almost like the you know. I guess like they couldn't do construction during cova because everyone was home and didn't want to have people gathering together. Everything is under construction. Every i think it is worse. I think it's not just forgot. 'cause i'm you know hard to say because i'm going back and forth to school because my kids aren't taking the bus because they weren't taking the bus during coves driving them and just trying to find a way to get to and from school with the day new construction hazards like just totally blocking off. Are making miserable. Major arteries everything is under construction. I think it is like a hangover. The construction that didn't get done during covid. Now it's all coming. Do i mean that's a reasonable theory. It might be true for you but for us even before covid. I've i've lived there almost eleven years and it's always been like this at least you're getting repave. I think i've sent you pictures of my quote unquote road. That's in front of my house that is more pothole than road. They're not repaving it. That's the thing they're like two different water under it or whatever or fixing gas leaks now. It seems like there must be some kind of like water construction mafia in westchester that. They're always tearing up water mains they just call out the mafia the They they literally just like have the same like every two years. I don't anyway. So i was driving yesterday and bring a lot of errands and sitting in traffic and being frustrated. However if i'm going to be driving car the model s. is my favorite car. I'm so incredibly happy with the one. I already have and when i look at the new one. No part of it makes me happy whatsoever. Like they they. They took away like the color. The interior color options i liked. They took away the sunroof that i like. They took away half the steering wheel. And all the stocks. Like i just. I don't want the the idea of getting a new. One of those ever is not appealing to me at all. Shame because i love this car. And that's why i decided i'm going to buy now like my lease is up in a few months. I filed today for the buyout quote. I'm just going to buy it. Because i just want this car to continue and i don't i i wouldn't. I would get no joy out of the new one. And because when i bought it it actually was significantly more expensive as they are now. The price for me to buy it out is not that much less than it would cost for me to buy a new one with the options. I would currently get. But i don't even wanna do that. I'd rather buy the one. I have because it's a better car. I like it better. And i i really. I will reiterate what i said. Last time we talked to this. Which is i really do. Feel like my model is the last one. They designed to be driven by a human. The reality of the current situation of auto driving technology is that you still drive like a human most of the time. I certainly still do in the conditions. I drive in the world. The you know the northeast like this. We have weather and terrible roads that are full of water main construction and so i am very happy now. Have having decided. I'm not going to have to buy a new car this fall. I'm not gonna have to make decisions or do any research or take any risks. I'm just gonna keep driving the car already. Have because i love it and nothing. They're currently making tempt me at all to make to make a different choice right now. So start your clocks. Everybody this is me versus marco. Both of us in the same situation where we feel like we can't buy the new version of the current car that we love also that our current cars the favorite car. We've ever gone which is true of my accord. of course don't come with sticks anymore. So basically can't buy new accords. Basically had to keep driving mine forever. Weird thing is though the car. I'm looking to replace the with sundays. Like if there's an electric car that fits within my budget in the actually like i could consider that. I'm not a big tesla fan. But anyway yeah. I'm planning to run my running my court river and at this rate right now marco doesn't see another electric car that he wants or another car period that he wants more than his model. So we were just both sticking with our current cars you know if only there was a different luxury brand that had been making cars for really long time that offered an electric version of one of their cars. Marco has many more choices than i do. You have to admit case. Oh yes the large four door sedan with that that i find appealing. That has a stick shift transmission. There's like zero of those in the. Us actually spent a while on those various auto. Used cars was looking at us versions of my current car. Just seeing what was out there. And how much i could get them for is like a backup car like you know. Gosh greater it'd be like a kid's car like the kids could drive it or whatever but like it's like it's like my girl they don't make anymore. I should keep buying black twenty fourteen era stick shift records sports and just just have them in a warehouse somewhere. Each time i wear went out to the second new one. Well i feel like that's that's not a terrible approach. I mean that that can last you a long time if you actually want to do that whenever this car whenever you're done with this current car you can probably be a while. It's an of course going to last forever and it's extremely low mileage. Right yeah as every car has been for the last year even before covid get my car is is a two thousand fourteen models so i bought it in two thousand thirteen. Guess how many miles are on my. Let's see So normally i would say that's about seven years old so you'd probably be at roughly eighty thousand ninety thousand miles. I'm gonna guess you're you're in the high twenties low thirties. If you're saying so i would have said you know eighty thousand marco just implied but given that you've already hinted that it's extremely low miles. I'd say hi twenties thirties and less on this does happen to be. Sometimes unless i've been confused my display because you know you can switch between trip and whatever whatever that i'm pretty sure i'm in low twenty s. Wow that's impressive. that's fantastic. Also my car. I bought almost exactly three years ago. And i just recently crossed ten thousand miles like in the last couple of months i hear you how am i ahead of you. I'm nineteen. I'm going back and forth. Yeah that's why you know since it's just the three of us and there's nobody else around. Can i tell you little secret. I had a really really really uncomfortable thought like two days ago. Was it white jeep now. Well actually yesterday. I saw naing investor wrangles new doors on it and i had a very comfortable thought about how i wanna wrangler again. But that's not what i'm talking about I had a very uncomfortable thought just two or three days ago. I'm starting to think it might be okay to get an electric car propaganda. I don't wanna hear your papa gabba. But i just a couple of days ago i was thinking you know even though there's a lot that appeals to me about an electric car i don't wanna give up the stick shift and there's no electric car that i think just like jon said a moment ago that i'm interested in and fits my price range right and i still think that's true but it seems that the the floodgates are opening and their opening slowly now but i think they're going to be opening ever ever quick evermore quickly soon and there's going to be just a tremendous amount of options on the market and i really think there's a better than fifty percent chance that my next car will be an election now and not playing upgrade for two three four five six years but i think it's pretty good chance that the next one will will not have an internal combustion engine. Can i interest you in a twenty fourteen. Honda accord sport with a for eight thousand dollars. You see how i can get. these like. Cheese graders eight thousand dollars. I mean granted. That's two hundred and thirty thousand miles on it. But i'm saying like there a range there in the range from seven thousand to fifteen thousand for my exact car you could think of how many of these you could get for one marco car. You just have just again if i could fit the mold basement. Just store them. The the problem was looking always used cars and look at them. And i'm like what does that car smells basement full of honda accords. Which what does that. What does that car smell like. Does it smell like cigarette. Smoke smell like someone spilled something. Because i'm always used cars especially when they're extremely high mileage two hundred and thirty thousand hard miles in that but anyway. These are the stickshift ones. And they're rare like when you go to amac. Cargurus came up with google transmission. Check boxes automatic. One twenty three emmanuel eight hundred manual but the thing is they're not apparently particularly desirable. So you can get them for less than ten grand. That's wild. i mean. I feel like there's so for for reasons that i don't wanna get into. This shows us too long. I bought a brand new well new to me super nintendo yesterday. What and this is a thirty year old game console and i feel like if today you can still go by a thirty year old game console in perfect working and cosmetic order like if you really want to buy a twenty fourteen. Honda accord sport with a stick in twenty forty. Like so somebody will probably be able to sell it to you. It's it's going to be hard to find ones that are not modified in good condition. That's the tricky thing about this. I mean it you should watch 'em five thirty nine the the youtube channel. It's great and the part of his brow he gets. Bmw's in the problem is he doesn't want them to have been modified so if anyone's mess with them you know it's not as desirable but you want one as just like because. That's what's zero about that. You wanted to be collectible. You want it to be like it was when it was new and hondas in particular are extremely attractive to people who want to modify the. It's not as bad as the civic but finding in two thousand forty. Yeah you'll be able to find an accord of two thousand fourteen and with a stick shift and you'll be able to find parts for all that but everyone that you find will not be look nothing like it did when its new. Italy modified all sorts of ways and be all mangled it'll have parts replaced with non original parts and so really want us to find one that is like if in twenty forty you had a mint condition like new twenty thousand nine hundred court. Who'd be worth a lot like. Collectible is all about conditions. Right now if i had an apple two e. but nobody's looking for it except you accept. Yeah but john worth like eighty grand anything in the world. Think of the apple two e. which was an extremely public computer that made tons of have you had a mint in the box never opened before perfect condition apple two e. That's worth wata money. Even though they made a ton of them it's not like it's rare all over the place but it's all about condition john. Stop lying to yourself if you somehow like. Let's suppose some listener bought a two thousand. Fourteen honda accord sport with a six speed. It is six not five right. Okay i got worried Some listener has a twenty four. Honda accords sport. That was put on blocks with five miles on the odometer and put it on blocks. You have to carefully preserved if you just leave it outside for the love of god. That's the thing though like you really want. What is almost a ten year old car. That hasn't been run in ten year after. No you have to take care of it. Like a collector. Why why they're valuable because it actually takes effort to. You can't just put it in the garage for ten years again. Watch the m five thirty nine channel. He buys cars that have been like. This has been sitting outside for twenty years and it's grim right ran mom. We parked parked for twenty years to actually keep a car alive that you don't drive take serious effort because cars do not stay in we were. We talked about the gas and how that goes bad. But pretty much everything internal combustion engine should not be sitting and even if it's sitting in a climate controlled place you have to do lots of things to keep it going. The rubber will harden and run out and all the tubes in and then you'll have to replace all those things like it's it's not easy and that's why it helps if you have a manufacturer that continues to make lewis parts like a lot of times you can get you can get a part for you know in e forty six. It seems to me that someone is still maybe. Bmw is still making many parts for the forty six. Because when you buy them. It's not like that part was made in the nineties. Because it would be routed out just like the rubber tubes that are in your engine. They make new parts that are essentially. Oem parts exactly like the old ones but are still manufacturing them so that's that's why collectibles evaluation based on condition because finding one in like new condition forty years later. It's like a miracle kelly. I can't imagine you know what's going to happen is you're going to clear out your garage and it's going to be pristine because you're gonna find that unicorn of a two thousand fourteen accord sport and you're going to park it in there so you have your backup cheese grater to your current accord sport. Don't really have room the problem. I don't. I don't actually have room on my property for another car like a. That's the problem. Yeah like i would need to rent out another another building to storm. I greater cars.

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Are Tottenham Hotspur Genuine Premier League Title Contenders?

First Past The Post

12:49 min | 1 year ago

Are Tottenham Hotspur Genuine Premier League Title Contenders?

"How far off Tottenham Hotspurs from being genuine premier league title contenders after six games. They said two points off the top spot given their league leading goal differences of plus. They would be first had they won either of their home matches in which they dominated but drop point the one one draw against Newcastle that is taught me didn't get anything in the paper straight to the office with three points out of this one terminated procedures and the three three calculation at the hands of West Henry three weeks later Chris well again, Take it away by wings. Original head Sensational for The Sensational doing terrible taking points away with us. That's just crazy wanted in the first quarter. Now, they've lost it in the last ten minutes the Western bench of absolutely the same thing. They could have woken up in mid-table yesterday morning had Harry Kane not clear Jane Krakowski header off the line and Mondays one zero win over firmly such as a fine margins at this stage of the season the state wage Tottenham one and can smoke outdoors and an interview with Sky Sports of doing something special this season. I think it was just a stage where we've we've been so close for so many years. Now a lot of us have been together for four or five years. I think the additions this decision have been great just have around the change room on the training pitch just more leaders in the team. And yeah, we just all getting a bit more experience and we know with the team we've got and the players we've got we We can do something special. So just that took governess. Just making sure every game like when you come to places like this you're fighting for for every point every result with no really a couple couple of points slip last minute goals and off. Obviously, the West Ham game was a disappointment but it's a bounce back and get grind these results out. These are the ones that count coming into the season. So yeah, we just got disabilities. Okay. So cavernous cuz it's going to be a long long as was reflected a growing sense that Tottenham should at least be in the conversation when assessing who could win the Premier League title following the interview with Kane Gary Neville said he expect this first to finish in the top four, but that he didn't think they had enough to tie. Those are they can win the league I really don't but I think because Josie Marino's that there'll be an element of him thinking he can do the unthinkable and they have got some unbelievable attacking players and it is a strange season, but that don't think they can win the league just purely because they haven't done before at that game tonight could have sworn off. Wake, you know burn the credit score that from that corner in another week and we've been in a situation there has been talk about two feet. But I think that it was finished third would be unbelievable. So ahead of you know asked all mention a sofa top them. I never thought they would be in that position. So for me, I didn't have talking to my top four oil that you did at the start the season when now including them within our top floor, so that's a massive shift of where we've been out only four of you represent a consensus of the spirit a good team, but one lacking the required quality or consistency to match Manchester City and Liverpool over scratch beneath the surface and there are Hallmark of a title-winning team. They have the credentials to push for a top spot or are we getting carried away after a good result from first-past-the-post? I remember Muhammad and in this episode will look at what Tottenham need to do to become tide chut pictures. Trying to set up a restaurant and lounge and were you thinking like video games and blinking off and everything. Let me know like in a meeting at 2 in the morning drinking make time horrendous time depending on what happened Sunday. Let's start with tight defense and grinding out wins. These are the areas where Spurs have really struggled over the last year or so and why Mondays results was so precious all fit go into the Twin planets song turn it into the net. I'm told them what's going to take the leadership more. This is the kind of match with all the ingredients to lose Point head coach Jose Mourinho said afterwards of the scratchy victory that was squarely in the winning mold with Stoke City long since relegated Burnley away on a cold weekday evening has become the gold standard for craziness and the Spurs came through the test impressively yesterday, especially after the defensive Horror Show against West Ham and their previous Premier League match regarding the defense Spurs had not kept a clean sheet in their previous ten matches before their 3-0 Europa League went over last month and made a good run into the channel will try and get it into Lucas Moura the boiling perfect and the Finish is turn from Lucas Moura a superbly constructed goal to blame assessed on his home tournament first debut and firstly Bojangles in L. It's Gareth Bale intermittent issues on gold another counter-attack from Spurs, bring some ago Gareth Bale heavily involved. Options are driving around the back post to an issue is headed down. It's a brilliant header and saunas made it drink keeping two in a row was a big relief, even if it was just the start rather than prove their defense. It's fixed aside from numbers. It was heartening to see that outer form Toby dealing so well with bearnaise opposing strike force of Chris Wood and Ashley Burns sticking out tough away when that internal staple of Champions has not been Spurs forte in the recent times in 2019. They went almost ten months without winning away in the Premier League between February and the end of November and register only five or from 26 on the road and all competitions last season. So it constitutes a genuine Improvement to have already registered three away wins from three matches this season only the second time in Premier League era off Spurs have won three straight away games. The last time Spurs manage the 1-0 away win in the league was almost two years ago when Hogan void header defeated Crystal Palace name. Hurry up 2018. Let's move on to the second one beating top clubs. This remains one of the unknowns this season given that Spurs are yet to play Manchester City Liverpool or Chelsea and the league the six one win away and Manchester United last season third-place team was hugely encouraging but when that Liverpool or men City would feel even more significant Spurs record and big matches has been meddling under Mourinho since he took over in November. They record in primarily games against last season stuff or clubbed go like this unfortunate went over City defeat by Liverpool two defeats by Chelsea and a loss I draw and win against the united in other words black 712 drawn one last for the Run of games and November and December that takes Manchester City at home Chelsea away Arsenal at home Liverpool away Leicester city at home in the space of six matches will give us a good indication of how seriously we should be taking the idea of Spurs title challenges as it stands. It's worth remembering that five. I was first six opponents so far this season finished 10th or lower in the 2019-2020 season. Okay. Next is Squad Deb. Tottenham's when yesterday came without bail Sergio Delhi Steven, Carlos Winx surge or Sanchez playing a minute in the second half Mourinho could call on Erik Lamela and drove off from the substitutes bench to help swing the game in their favor in short Spurs have our scary amount of depth in their squad allowing them to comfortably compete in the Premier League and Europa League for the next month will especially be valuable given the congested fixture calendar the season you would back a second string spur site to push or even beat a Liverpool or Manchester City's equivalent. Okay. Next Thursday is star quality and Trophy winning pedigree. In Canaan, son who combined again for the winter at Turf Moor Spurs have the Premier League's to most informed players off a little bit more cash down a lovely backheel song surging and storing tree over Burnley. It wasn't pretty but in the end the Sonic Kane combination proved to be worth three points, once again now world class and already have 13 goals tennis has combined in the Premier League decision. No means it's incredible School for Girls in the Premier League is long as I'll be gone a obviously a score four goals, but without the team and with this guy for amazing assistance calling goal. I think he deserves one of the match for me today. Yeah. Definitely. We spoke before the game in the There's going to be space in behind and we're still in talking to Sonny about getting in there if I drop deep and and yeah, one of the parties I didn't even really look I knew we'd be running behind. So it's just that put it in the space so long connection. We've obviously been building up for a while now, so it was nice to see him finish him off and obviously proud of him for his first batch with an option for calling Bill once he is fully up to speed and Spurs have a terrifying front light in the Outfield appear less. Hello all have potential to be really Premier League players, but they haven't performed consistently enough to be considered at that level yet defensively there a little way of wiggling is the only one who could have a shot of making it into the Premier League best eleven, but he is still an experienced level also suggested the fact that Spurs have never won a premier league will count against him in his true that there is a lack of Trophy winning pedigree in the squad designing a bell helps this in regard as does the man in The Dugout with three Premier League titles and a stack of trophies to his name never did admit them are in his presence wage. Possible despers could pull off something Unthinkable. When asked by the athletic whether his team were in the title fight wherein you said, I will never consider ourselves title considers. I assume that every match we play doesn't matter where or against who we can go to a last day would have to be in the right place at the right time. A little luck does have to play a role winning the Premier League this season who would make offers the most surprising champions in the divisions history apart from Lester's in 2016 for a surprise like that to happen a team need a lot to go their way unless jurors case. It was the coincidental off current crisis of both Manchester club and Chelsea provided the opening Arsenal and Spurs then stuttered at a vital moments to leave Claudio Reyna site without a serious Challenger for Spurs that. Declined reps City alongside the unfortunate injury to Liverpool's Virgil Van dijk could be the Catalyst added to that is effective playing matches behind closed doors, which may end up being overstated but could be a factor of birth. In the least volatile start to the season thus far it's vulnerability that every team has shown combined with tottenham's thrilling attacking play that makes a title push feel genuinely possible six games into the season. It is too early to say whether Spurs should be considered title Challengers, but Monday's result, if not, the performance certainly offered encouragement and hearing Kane saying afterwards Thursday. We need to take each game as it comes certainly make Spurs sound like a stereotypical title Challengers if they are to live up to that description picking up six points from the next two matches that can write in an office permit is certainly a prerequisite before that horn in November and December. Well, that's it for episode today. 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Episode 165: Ben and Jerry's Obamanation

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Episode 165: Ben and Jerry's Obamanation

"That's what's going on everyone. Welcome back to another episode of making podcast. Great again. I am your Tech stuff guy Jana and we are here, of course with the president of the United States long ago and the United States our president gloating again. Mr. Donald J. Trump Mister president. You do in the Rock again. You really are you trying to own them trying to make it smell what my cock is raping. I wish I could be a title with a can't How is the week going Mister president? We're having a strong leak as usual and planning great lawsuits against the Sleepy Administration office. And what deciding on the run it running in 2024. So it's you know, when that the work never stops for the real president at Mar-A-Lago now mister president. I wanted to ask you this like when you were in entertainment with your show and then Arnold Schwarzenegger took over you were all in about that and every single thing that you said in the public was about TV or writings how you were a better Hostess and that and then since you left entertainment, I guess you think you conquered entertainment now, everything is politics is there are going to be something after the politics or you think it's politics and to the end. It's actually I don't like to usually say this but that's actually a pretty decent question from new tech stuff Guy. What's your name? My name is it's change, but it's really great to finally get somebody who seems to know what they're doing because I have to be honest. I haven't thought of my next move. Obviously we're going to continue to do business with and you know, we might just go back to business looking to new business possibly, you know, sort of good Christian Maga adult films and but that's a good question right now. We're focused on our country. We have to be so focused. Okay and our country without a country business pornography entertainment at all. And I know that'll be if we don't have a country. So we have to first secure the country from the Socialist sleepy sleazy by Administration and then we can worry about doing you know, soft and even hardcore Christian pornography starring Ivanka. All right. We're I was thinking I heard rumors and I don't know if this is true that you were planning on starting a news network. Is that still going to happen plus your social media company. Is that going to happen also? The social media company is most certainly happening and we'll have great details very soon. To be honest. I bet you'd like to know know about we're not going to tell you now, uh, as far as the news network was still looking into it because obviously there's they're doing some strong things on on the you know, you know, each month stations not msdn see in that fake news CNN, but on oan news next box, they're all doing strong because it's like they're competing for me. It's almost like a it's like the bachelor but for racist news organizations, like they're all trying to get the Trump Rose. I wanted to ask you about the bachelor. Did you hear that? One of the contestants of the bachelor? One of The Bachelors just came out as gay now. He had to know that he was gay when he was doing the bachelor, right? You'd be surprised. Sometimes people get married become vice president and still down. The stand that they're lgbtq events. I thought that was strange because I mean the producers and everyone you're going to pick one Bachelor. You're going to look for the most heterosexual man possible. And I think it's just so weird that a former contestant. Who was The Bachelor was is gay. It's it's very strange to me especially casting in Hollywood You've Really they do their due diligence. So I'm just surprised that they actually cast in someone who was gay as the bachelor trying to court, you know, Thirty women or whatever that is, Maybe they should do more poop diligence instead of due diligence and they'd find out what they're looking for. That's that's definitely a big possibility. Now your your buddy this week before we get to your buddy. I just wanted to tell all the listeners out there that this week. We have a giant Perfect 10 live episode as Thursday at 8 p.m. If you're into dates, the date is April 22nd 8 p.m. Eastern time. We will visit our current patreon president roughly with the harm our and Tom Fitzgerald the vice president. We're going to take questions should be interesting. 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Well, you know being classy, you know, they can but no we have a we have a great Q&A live episode for the perfect ends in and out some new perfect and show up we have this huge group of perfect ends and do what we love the ones who show up. Okay, although when you don't show up as Tom Fitzgerald does very well. It can lead to a special election where an African-American takes your place. So we love all the people that show up and there's so many great ones that show up regularly off but it's not even half of of of the perfect tens not hundreds of perfect tense and and only you know, so we love the ones who show up but you know habits. You know, what what what what do you have to lose? That's what I always say. What do you have to lose except joining the greatest Life podcast in the history of our country and then on April 24th, there will be a birth. Preview a special rotten oranges episode. Okay a Oscar's preview with the President telling you who's going to win the awards? So Mister Perez fetty Ivanka levels and above. So if you're at the $5 level congratulations, you're practically broke, but you know, what use some of the fake Presidential stimulus package from Sleepy Joe and bump yourself up. There you go Patriot. I would say do a bump do a bump up whatever you want to do, but go up along patreon.com mpga or joined for the month and see if you like it. Give it a chance everyone. We have very little to zero complaints and next week by the way, we might as well do the full pro-choice. We've been spoiling these people with tremendous downed. Okay, Richard Marxist. Okay. Yes Bradley white Ford. Okay, and now we have next month and I'm not too happy about this. Anthony scaramucci is joining the show. So I don't know who else is having these kind of great guests and this is what we give to the free. This is dead. So them a pegah's and the map Eggers not even the patreon Patriots. Like you can be am a bigger somebody who listens for free doesn't leave a five star review. We call you map it goes with the heart and you're getting all these great guests for free. So you said you know up your game as the you know, white people trying to be African Americans would say now mister president. Tomorrow. Thursday is 4:20, which for weed smokers. It is their national holiday and they like to get high all day. Also, it is Hitler's birthday now. I was wondering do you do anything for Hitler's birthday or I know you don't smoke weed or do any alcohol or drugs? But how do you feel that New York has recently legalized. I actually think that smoking marijuana is just totally disrespectful on Hitler's birthday and I'll explain why. No, no, I don't hit the okay. Not a good guy. I think we can agree. I don't think I don't think that's a controversial statement town later, but not a good guy. Facial hair icon not a good guy. You know inspired a lot of people. Okay, almost defeated the World by himself. You know not a lot of people can do that. But we all agree not the greatest person tough very tough, but not the greatest person. But as you know, I have kushner's in my family. Literally I have the kushners in my family and You know, I know that the question of family both the one I know and then pushing is a large. They have a reputation for liking Financial things. Some people go that money everybody likes money, but you know, I mean, you know the stereotype I'm not I'm not endorsing The Stereotype but what color is money green? Okay. So unfortunately on Hitler's birthday, you have all these radical left people burning, you know burning you don't you know, you know what I'm going with burning green things that look like money down a day where you know Hitler was known for Doing some not-so-nice things to be burning something that resembles money feels like an insult do great kushner's everywhere. So I think it's a total disgrace and I stand with our home. I stand with The Oath Keepers. Okay? Okay. Now your buddy Mike Lindell, the pillow guy has a podcast, you know, we went from the pillow biter to the pillow the pillow biter Mike to the pillow guy like exact very strong Improvement now dead so much more masculine with that Tom Selleck mustache and that, you know, you know, he plowed Jane Krakowski from 30 Rock. Did not know that but that's what I know. I had great respect as he's no looker. Let's be honest. I like Mike Linda. He's a strong Christian racist, but he may even guess that he would be you know banging the nice looking blonde from 30 Rock, but he was you know, he was He was putting his pillows crucifix in between her her pillows. Now he received the prank call on his podcast from a trump impersonator. It wasn't you. I'm assuming and basically said a couple of words and then we'll just cursing at him non-stop. Did you hear this? What are your thoughts on it? It was me so we can clear that up and it was just good fun among too powerful Christians who love America at all. Good Christian fun. So you called his show and just cursed at him and that's good Christian fun. Okay, it is. That's fine. Now mister president. This country is crazy and during the pandemic. Well, let's just get with it Chauvin closing Arguments for the George Floyd trial of the death of George Floyd and the closing arguments are happening. He better be convicted guilty of all counts and rotten in jail and in hell for the rest of his life. What are your thoughts on what the possible outcome can be? I think what happened was. I think what happened was very sad. I think it was a sad day for African-Americans. It was a sad day for our country, but I have to be honest, you know, if I had a son he would look like Direction of and you have three sons. Okay. Remember when Obama said that about Trayvon Martin and everybody thought I was so sympathetic. But when I say it you accused me of having Sons. I'm just saying I have a sympathy for Derek Chauvin. He's got a tough job. And if I had a son I think he would look like Derek shove and And I have sympathy of course George Floyd but as I told you as I said to the world last summer our economy was doing so well, I could feel I said George is probably smashing down on our economy. I said that I don't know if you remember I remember I remember it was a beautiful statement of base and of prosperity and the reason I know that is because I spoke to Joel Osteen code told me that Jeff Epstein and the great Fred Trump were in heaven and they greeted George Floyd and told them about the great economy and he they passed the message back down to Joel Osteen and said A judge flight is very happy with our economy. But you know Joel Olsteen's full of shit. You know that right? He's just a scam artist who uses religion to rob people. Excuse me. He does. Why would a pet? Why would like excuse me? We're going to end this podcast very quickly. If you disrespect a man of a man of God of the Lord mistake off of a question, why would all these quote-unquote church leaders who were with the Bible about giving back and giving to people they have millions and millions of dollars. They have private planes implausible. They have compounds they have mega churches that fit as much as a football stadium and they don't give any of that back. They're not taxed for it. It's expensive and long as you're speaking. No idea what you're talking about. Joel Osteen. Okay the last name? His neighbor in his gated community their daughter was selling remember the McDonald's chocolate bars. Yes. His neighbors daughter was selling those and he bought an entire box $12 and half of that money goes to the Ronald McDonald House which benefits I don't know some sex a shit who are not doing the I don't understand if you're saying he gives nothing and then all of a sudden now, you have no answer. I tell you that Joel Osteen bought a box of chocolate bars half of the money goes you're getting me upset wage is not half of the excuse me half of the money goes to the Ronald McDonald House, which I believe is the house where you know ham burglars illegitimate children live and the money goes there to keep them doing. Okay, and that was Joel. Oh, you didn't have to buy those chocolate bars. I don't even think he ate them. I think he just bought them to be nice. When was the last time you bought $12 of chocolate bars to benefit The Runaway Jury. Donald has probably never probably never done that plenty of times. Okay. I said no almonds, please like a picky piece of shit Notte, I'm fine with that actually, but I I like the the ones with the Rice Krispies in there, but I bet you do Mister president. He's is that an Asian joke know it wasn't I was just saying I like to write off but Mister president. I I he's a scam artist. I don't I don't understand you're a man of Faith but strong faith. Can we go off the off the podcast record that excuse me? I know it's your first episode Brett. We never go off the I request of the podcast record. You do not have the authority you've already and I will share the authority but you don't have it. Okay. Well mister president that brings us to our sponsor this week and that is been online. I make them. My bets on been online. Aegean and so do you been online is the fastest and easiest way to bet on all your Sports Action? Okay, we have the NBA Playoffs coming up baseball just started NHL playoffs coming up. There's a lot of things to bed on these days plus you can even been on a Wards T shows and reality T. I'm betonline.ag you can check out real time updated odds and props almost anything you can imagine. They have a casino you can play roulette and blackjack and poker. So there's so many things to bed on they have you covered for all the news scores and odds. 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Well, you did you aren't in Washington right now right by choice, okay. So let me change it when you win in 2024. There you go. The gloating face. I love it. Where are you going to do about the Mental Health crisis in our country home. I'm going to bring it up every time Democrats try to ban guns. Why I don't understand that. Excuse me. I was very clear. Republicans the party of trump when there's a shooting we we do thoughts that we do very strong thoughts and prayers. And then the Democrats go we need to ban guns. And then what we do is we talk about mental health and that's the dance. So we'll talk very strongly about mental health every time the Democrats want to ban guns, but it seems like what you're doing is just a strategy to fight against Democrats and really not a strategy to help our country. Democrats, as you know are a group of Satan worshipping pedophiles who drink the blood of babies and now there's very strong documentation on this end up fighting Democrats does make a country great and better so I don't see why fighting democrats should be the really the only mission of anybody who's actually claims to be a patriot but Mister president, I don't think it should be really about politics about Republicans and Democrats. That should be a bad our country. I don't know what it's not about money. It's about stopping Satan worshipping pedophiles who he baby board. Now, they happen to be Democrats. But know if they were Libertarians I'd be saying we need to stop the Libertarians, but it's it just so happens if that's the Democrats to do that. very strongly you're not I don't know if there is a Miss connection here with with the Wi-Fi, but you're telling me is it's pronounced wifey and I've sent off course papers. Okay. What I'm trying to say is that you're telling me that if you're still in the gloating face the gun control, you'll bring up mental health to battle the Democrats what however you look at the Democrats whatever it is, but wouldn't shouldn't you be looking at mental health and not bringing up politically versus the Democrats. You should be really just trying to help our country with the Mental Health crisis with all these former athletes with brain damage and a tan or they just flip and end up killing their whole entire family. I mean, it's very scary what is going on with injuries and plus people abusing drugs and that sort of happens when you have people kneeling for a great flag. So you're telling me I mentioned football and now when when football players are encouraged Oh by all means disrespect our troops Jai flag kneel during the anthem and then you have them turning into murderers. I think it started like connected. I think it's a good point you brought up so you think CTE and kneeling are connected I don't think they're just connected. I think it's the cuz I think we have people disrespecting our flag which makes everybody feel very unsafe and very thread and and then you have a very scary country. So basically all the football players who are kneeling the kneeling could leave answer. They're basically serial killers Colin Kaepernick is basically thought I would call them the Charles Manson or the John Wayne Gacy of you know of non Patriots. But he Colin kapernick didn't kill anyone. He's like a KUB Bata, okay. And he said off this disrespect of our flag and this weakening of our country and I have like you said you have people doing mass murder. So kneeling leads to mass murder. Yes. Just wanted to clarify that and what is the left do they give Kaepernick is on ice cream. That's what the left does. They you know, Ben & Jerry's Thursday. We have you know chocolate chip Chauvin coming out soon. I don't think how are you putting Colin Kaepernick and Chauvin in the same boat? They both they both chuckled both girls death. How added Kaepernick cause death we just she has where you just hear word his so you're saying okay this protesting death as fear and Terror in our country, which is weakened people's mental state and you know in chocolate chip Joven from Ben & Jerry's cuz we support people who hate our country our country. Okay, so while ledge to to creep out on all right, mister president, you know some good news. We are are are they coming up? I'm surprised they don't have like Obama split. So you just think that Ben & Jerry's just going to take every political leader on the left and just make ice cream flavors out of them. I do I would call Obama's Flavor Flav. You would call and what would be in in Obama's ice cream? Obama's ice cream it would be half radical left chocolate with you know with vanilla on the bottom cuz every but nobody ever acknowledges the fact that he has a white mother so they'd be like they bury the vanilla under some radical left chocolate Okay wage and it would be it would of course have you know, chocolate chips feminine chocolate chips and You know little bits and pieces of the constitution in it, you know, because you had destroying the Constitution so I think I think that's what it would be. Sub T chocolate with vanilla on the way, You know what I mean called Obama Nation. That would be the Ben & Jerry's flavor for for Obama. It's a chocolate some radical left chocolate with some vanilla buried underneath. So you don't cuz you don't want to talk about white people. You want to keep white people on the bottom and nobody ever acknowledges that he had a white mother and little pieces of chalk feminine chocolate chips and shredded pieces of our Constitution and people would eat it up and say oh, this is very delicious. Okay, interesting ice cream flavor with pieces of the Constitution inside does not sound very appetizing at all. No one wants to eat. You know what let me tell you something when the radical left is out there. Worshipping Satan and drinking baby's blood. You know, what for dessert you might wash it down with some chocolate flavored Constitution. Okay, you might have a point there. No Mister president President Biden in the White House President Biden White House, not Mara Lago president. He's he's I think he's done a good job getting the vaccines now and he just passed that anyone at sixteen and older are eligible for vex. All right. Well, that's great. Let me tell Matt gaetz the good news. Don't worry. 7:15 is the new 18. So basically everyone in the country who is allowed to get the vaccine are eligible to get the vaccine wage. I think that should be a very strong defense for Matt gaetz. I think you should say, so let me get this straight. I she can get the vaccine she can drive a car. But she can't get banged in the ass on a first class flight. Is this even a country anymore? I rest my case very strong and powerful case right there. Now. Do you think Mom is Darren your son is he sixteen so he can get the vaccination is Baron 16. Let me Google that. Barron Trump your son if I had a he's fifteen, he's fifteen. He just turned he just turned fifteen. It was his birthday March 20th. I don't know if you knew that. I was smoking weed on 3/20. 320 now do you think Biden is doing a good job with getting the vaccine now? Because the thing is that a lot of the states that that love you down south. That's the problem of the vaccinations a lot of all you call them the cousin fucking caucus wage. That's what I call the great Trump States down south. Now why wouldn't you considering you are vaccinated now, if you weren't vaccinated, I would understand why you wouldn't say anything but you are vaccinated. Why won't you tell your people to get vaccinated for the better half of our country? Cuz then you can get hurt immunity and then we can open up everything and the economy will grow flourish and everything will get back to hopefully as normal as it could be. Why would you open your mouth and say you know what everyone should get vaccinated? I said if people want to get vaccinated they should and to be honest. Why should I help sleepy Joe? He stole the election. He's going to run a country with radical left policies. I think the sooner he fails the better for the long-term health of our country wage. I think we can't afford a sleepy president. And he's very sleepy. He he's in he's an older gentleman stairs. Nobody's ever had a vaccine quicker. And I know you're a radical left X tough guy breath, but nobody's ever had. I had a vaccine click a in the history of a of the world and that was me. That wasn't sleepy. Joe Biden. That was me who got the vaccine and you just sleepy Jose so much as said and you should go Mischa hasn't said sir. You did a great job with a vaccine know he just sits there being sleepy. Well well More attractive than she should be Joe Biden just cleans out his poopy diapers. I think Mister president if you towards the end of your term, if you were more active and covet and said of just throwing in the towel on Coventry cuz you're really didn't talk about covid-19 the end. You fought covet for a little bit and then it kind of looked like, you know, they were stealing the election right? I understand that but if you were to thin, I think if you would have stayed strong with And you know what I did was I defeated. Wait, so you defeated covid-19, very strongly. No, I defeated it. And I said instead of going with a very strong because if I defeated covid-19 defeat everything else. The laughter would have said oh you're being too rough on covideo you to click on show so I decided okay, I won't rub it in I'll just defeat it normally and we'll let it go and then of course now it's my fault that you know, even though we defeated it. Okay, I understand. I understand where you're coming from its present before we get to our last story here. I just want to all the listeners know that if they can go to m p g a pod And subscribe to our YouTube channel. We are very close to monetizing our YouTube channel, which will help the podcast with everything and it doesn't cost you a penny. All you have to do is go to m.com go to the bottom of the page and click the YouTube and then just subscribe. That's all you have to do. It doesn't cost you a penny and it helps out the podcast. So please go on there and do that for us really appreciate that now mister president President. Biden of Washington is pulling all the troops out of Afghanistan by page nine eleven. What are your thoughts on that? Well, I guess he wants to you know, give the Taliban a chance to do another attack on nine. Eleven. The only one still here you go you go Taliban years young people back have a nice 20th anniversary, please attack us. I'm sleepy Joe. So you're telling me is that you think when he pulls everyone out? He's inviting all the terrorists would celebrate by doing another terrorist attack on nine-eleven again, correct? I mean I can see that but I don't think that's going to happen. Now you wouldn't think that because you're a radical left X tough guy Brett, but I think that sleepy gel. It doesn't have the toughness. She doesn't have the stamina for the job any spelling on trips at 6, and it's going to possibly lead to disaster even though I was for pulling the troops out myself. Because well now it's like be job so I don't agree with him. So basically cuz someone else is doing it who you don't like you can't agree with anything that they do. bingo let's say that he wanted to make Ivanka and give her a very powerful position in government. Would you agree with that or because sleepy Joe is doing it. You would tell Ivanka. No. Ivanka is a grown woman. with full adult breast tremendous womanly hips great height pouty lips long blond hair hard nips And a great and giving spirit she would reject sleepy Joseph. I wouldn't have to tell her anything and I wouldn't tell her anything, you know, I don't even have to talk to call me daddy. She just calls me Daddy so she knows what's right and wrong and she would not accept. She wouldn't ruin her reputation by working for the radical FCP Joe agenda. You don't think so. I know. But don't you have to be selfish sometimes and go after your own to further your own career? If she worked for sleepy Joe, Korea would be done. The Republicans would never trust. How would you feel about your own daughter if she did across you like that? Well, we've done real play we've done roleplay where she comes in and she says daddy I've taken a job with sleepy Joe and she was like an extra short skirt and extra high heels and I go I see you're looking extra sexy for sleepy Joe. What's that about? And she goes, I'm sorry Daddy. Do you not want me to do that. How will you punish me? And you know, it's good father daughter played time. Can you explain more about this whole playing it sounds sounds strange. Now, you know how you have some of these losers who go into the woods and dress like nights and elves the LARP. Yeah. I read a lot. That's you know, that's what we do. So it's it's like Trump LARP. Basically, basically, okay. Well now now I understand much better because it sounded a little creepy before now. It's just weird. But before it's on the creepy. Now well, it's you know, we don't call it. Like we call it, you know. We call it but stuff after you called prowl. Okay, beautiful umbrella of drum taking. super tremendous understanding, of course her friends but stuff I can't. All right. So it's it's just a muscles. I guess. It's just a beautiful sort of family bonding. What was about stuff done for a beautiful? understanding tremendous Trump It's you know, it's we have it written down. It's the point is we do we do beautiful play she comes in and she's at work for super Jonah and you know, she says how do you have to punish me and I say, oh, let's see what happens. Mister president, I really appreciate every single week even sometimes multiple times a week like this week joining us near a very busy man. We really appreciate the way great bonus episode for tax day last week. So you should catch up even the even the $5 people paid. You're barely patriotic patreons took lots of messages about that episode and the the great Fred Trump tradition people really enjoyed that one. 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