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Ralph Northam's Political Career Is over (Even If He Doesn't Know It)

The Point with Chris Cillizza

03:37 min | 2 years ago

Ralph Northam's Political Career Is over (Even If He Doesn't Know It)

"Some job boards, overwhelm you puns of the wrong resumes. Not smart but ZipRecruiter finds the right people for you. And actively invites them to apply. Smart. Try it for free at ZipRecruiter dot com slash the point. Ziprecruiter, the smartest way to hire. Welcome to the point four Monday. February the fourth I'm Chris cillizza cutting through the political spin to bring you the news you need to know. Well, late Friday night after I recorded. My audio briefing came a picture on Ralph north the governor Virginia's medical school yearbook sidebar who even new medical schools had yearbooks that showed a man in black face and a man in klu Klux Klan robes standing beside one another on north on a democrat initially said, that's me. I apologize for the picture then the following day. He said, that's actually not me. But I did dark in my skin to go as Michael Jackson in nineteen Eighty-four dance contest. He then almost moonwalked when asked by a reporter if he could still do so until his wife stepped in and said that might not be appropriate given the gravity of what was happening boy. And people say politics is an interesting. So north them as of Monday afternoon continues to hold onto his office. Despite the fact that virtually every major national and Virginia democratic official has called for him to resign. He has said he needs more time. He said he wants to help us the conversation created by this picture to have a conversation about brace in the country. I don't think he can withstand this entire episode. I think he will resign. And I think Lieutenant governor Justin Fairfax, a thirty nine year old African American will ascend to the job why is north hanging on well because he's bunkered in. He's got a very small circle of people who are saying just just waited out. This isn't who you really are. You don't want this to be your legacy, which I understand at the same time. This is about race at a time in which that conversation is as fraud as it's been in a very long time. Thanks, at least in part to Donald Trump's willingness to play with racial animus for. His political gain. It's just not feasible for someone who is in an elected position of leadership has the most powerful executive in a state to have a picture like that. Whether it's him or it's not to have gone in black face to go as Michael Jackson than the dance. Contest lead the state. He will be a distraction, and I think it will continue to be a distraction. I think at some point in near future north realizes that and walks away that is not this moment. But maybe by tomorrow, it will be that's news. You need to know for this. February the fourth for much more sign up for my daily Email newsletter which you can do by going new CNN dot com slash the point. You can also subscribe to this audio briefing on Stitcher on Spotify and apple podcasts or wherever you choose to get your podcast. You can also call it up on your Google, home or your Amazon echo device. Hey, Sekou Smith here from the hang time podcast. Join me, and my main man John Shuman every week as we break down, the latest, NBA, news and storylines with. Yes. From around the league, we should've subscribe to NBA hang time on apple podcasts. Spotify an NBA dot com slash podcast for new episodes every Monday and Thursday this season.

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The KKK

Citation Needed

37:22 min | 7 months ago

The KKK

"And. Then he says, rock is just fine. Now, it's just wearing paper. No, right. Right, and then I'm just not to live with that. You GotTa say something I'm I'm GonNa Luke lives matter blue lives matter for what's Okay and I see why he skipped this week. What are you doing, and why did you just end all of our careers right to you know very well, why I'm doing what I'm doing so far? Honestly I'm disappointed in you did you know that in the year twenty, one, thousand, nine, there were over two million nonviolent. nope. Not going here. Absolutely. Not What are you fucking talk? Also, why are you trust like an American flag? Is I'm a Patriot maybe you've heard of it. If you weren't too busy masking up and destroying our history, you'd know a thing or two lie I. Still Just don't understand why you know exactly what you did. See Some jumping on the anti-cop bandwagon. Oh, this many murders, this many assault. They're humans just like you and me see. So actually you know what they're heroes or as I call them heroes, communes, that's not a no ally first of all. No. But also see essay isn't even about cops it. Is, not. Not Man. It's about the K. K.. K. I. Would you think this was about cops? Read everything, but the title actually that explains. Of. That makes sense. Yeah. All right. They go by KLOPP's, actually. And welcome to citation needed the podcast where we choose a subject read a single article of veteran wikipedia and pretend we're experts because this is the Internet and that's how it works. Now I mean Bosnich and I'll be leading this charge, but I'll need the cavalry. Erste two men who provide genetic proof that white supremacy is bullshit every single day and so. Yeah, I mean unless it's a supreme pizza, I'm not over here doing a lot from. No, kidding. Why only go to the doctor at the Mayo, clinic? Dr. Also joining us today a guy who admittedly is a little nervous doing a whole episode about his next door. Neighbor's no allusion. Kidding, talking about the KKK for hour, I can finally record an episode with my window down. Now as regular listeners will have noticed, he is unable to join us. Tonight. Is it because we had a big? Yeli? Fight about whether or not the KKK quote? Make some really good points and he slowly off. The side front. We hear if you give us enough money on Patriot on, he'll come back folks who pledge on patriarchate extra Minnesota videos of our live shows access to our suggestion box and so much more. If you'd like to learn how to join their ranks, be sure to stick around till the end of the show and with that out of the way, tell us know what person place thing concept phenomenon or event would we be talking about today today? We're GONNA. Be Talking about the KKK. All right and see. So you found the one group of Larkin cost players. You can't get on board with. Their threatens. Admittedly, they're dragging costumes are low efforts. So. Tell US see. So who are the KKK ID? What before I start? I want to apologize because I grew up saying Klu Klux Klan with a with a with an l. at the beginning and I may revert while I'm doing this. Is Ahead of time if I mispronounce this radical shit bag organization through. Cox. Clan hail from this I'm willing to. Kind of feel like we'll of wasted an opportunity. Exact. Today. I, want to talk about the KKK or the Ku Klux Klan I watched a couple of documentaries about this and listening to these fuck head speak is like nails on a washboard. It is tempting to think of these bigots as single brain cells, sister fuckers. It's not helpful because it misses the broad membership that clan had in the past and their wide appeal among racist today. Yeah. No. Some very intelligent sister fuckers. Members. Well. No. That's because all the extra fingers and toes makes them better. While, I was not able to find the demographics of the clan in modern times. In the past, it was something of a family organization that span all social classes from working classes to doctors, lawyers, and other professions that require a large amount of education calling them. Dumb yokels might feel good. But also makes them seem less harmful unless you're in the water because the web fingers actually give him a distinct advantage. And really. That's what these fucking racist dirtbags want people to underestimate them and ammo to play the victim and claim prejudiced against the white population. Those are fair points, but I do want to push back on the idea that Dr. means you know you aren't stupid compared to butter Ben. Carson. Is. Doctor Okay with. Every. Meal. All right. But I will bet you a pyramid full of wheat that someday I. Now don't get me wrong though they like to find the dip easiest amongst them and let them be their spokesperson time and time again I, watch these simpleton, tie themselves into knots when confronted with the simplest questions of the KKK philosophy. What seems to be the real goal, the clan and other bag, fuck stick racist organization costs, place spinoff groups. Is Shifting the overton window pushing unacceptable racist policies farther into the mainstream conversation. Thus persuading the public to accept more and more incrementally radical ideas as normal and mainstream. An example might be the TIKI. Torch Frat House Sausage Party that happened a few around statues a few years ago with all the khaki-clad losers shouting, Jews will not replace US and later that year Tucker Carlson used replace us on. Fox News talking about immigration. I? Wonder if there are any like KKK hipsters watching the news today bitching about how they were white supremacists before it was. Before I get to the history of the clan I wanNA point out that this country has swallowed enough racist bullshit on our pass to ask birth three rations of these worthless shit bags. The first KKK started in eighteen, sixty five and lasted until about eighteen, seventy two, the first regurgitation was in nineteen fifteen and lasted through the end of. World War. Two. And the present day dumpster fire started in the fifties in an opposition to civil rights and the Rye, and it's still going on today the rising and falling of this group is getting food poisoning, and then going back for seconds and thirds. As I like to call that seasonal Indian. Buffet. Miss It. Very. Much. Thank you I. got you think right there seasonal. You may have just the one ring to rule them all of American history metaphor. Plug plugging play Shell. Seizes Christ it's true. So. Let's start out with the history of the clan. Eight months. After the end of the civil war, the south was still sticking. It's ass in a tub water after General Sherman's stopped fucking Mudhole in it. But the racist started might be a good idea to get together tea and so six confederates, veterans of the very American. Name Town, Polaski Tennessee. He decided to create the clan and oath bound secret organization that news violence to intimidate and murder black people in the south. I may go with what you know I. Guess. Yeah work inside the box. They also terrorized carpet baggers or people from the North that moved to the south scalawags who were southerners who supported the reconstruction. This is early on though, and they'd later widened their racist menu to lots of different nationalities and move onto sexual orientation bigotry as well. It's important to diversifier hate portfolio. Just in case there's a downturn and conservative. Right. Exactly. The clan of course grew pretty quickly in the reconstruction of south. There were plenty of butthurt racists that also got their asses kicked in the war recently. So a surge of ex confederate soldiers swelled their ranks, they basically use the same tactic slave patrols. They would ride horses with mass it at night and terrorize friedman quote. The clan used public violence against black people and their allies as intimidation, they burned houses and attacked and killed black people leaving their bodies on the roads and quote. W. E. B boys is quoted as saying quote, the kind of things that men are afraid or ashamed to do openly, and by day they accomplish secretly masked and at night and quote man good thing nobody told them. All they had to do is become cops. Spoilers. The first grand wizard or. The head water buffalo or whatever was confederate General Nathan Bedford forrest confederate means he was bad at his job because he and the rest of the loser generals lost some war. The group itself was pretty on organized. They couldn't agree on a set of questions for inductees, as well as other specifics. They didn't have the dunce caps, yet instead these fucks put a white bad over out with I, gotTa do it like Jason from Friday, the thirteenth before he garbage pick the hockey mask. But then they would wear a mask. No problem. Right. Right, like I said earlier, the membership in this League of completely unacceptable ordinary gentlemen spanned all classes, farmers, laborers, professionals, and politicians. Also clearly attracted sadists, rapists, and other uses pieces of shit to join in on the pillage and mayhem, you mean other than the politicians. Should clarify other than the politicians and don't let the potato sack outfit low you into thinking these folks were harmless. They may have looked like idiots, but they were essentially a military force, for example, in North and South Carolina quote in eighteen months ending in June of eighteen, sixty seven. There were a hundred and ninety seven murders down five hundred and forty eight cases of aggravated assault. End Quote locate sure. But what about all the KKK interactions that weren't mersal? They use this kind of violence and intimidation to suppress black voters to in Louisiana. Leading up to the presidential election of eighteen, sixty, eight more than two thousand people were killed or wounded in Saint Landry parish. The KKK caused so much mayhem and instilled so much. That of it, one, thousand, seventy, one registered Republicans, and this is back before the party's flipped on human rights. Her the ones that voted for Lincoln There were there were that many Republicans over a thousand Republicans, there was not a single Republican vote counted in the parish. They scared every opposition voter in the parish of to check out of the political process. Wow. Now. When are we sure that they weren't just sending a message by voting for yield e Joel Stein. Not One vote for the Republicans. It's like an dear, leader gets look. It's all the votes. Yet. Nice Election America. Nail and. The, of course, didn't limit their intimidation of politics in the early morning hours. Fifty members of the KKK surrounded a teacher's house in. Alabama. The teacher was a young white lady from Illinois. She was rousted out of bed and told to dress, and then with a pistol in their hands, they persuaded relief quote, the treated her gentlemanly and quietly. But complained of the heavy school tax said, she must stop teaching and go away and warned her that they never gave a second notice. She heeded the warning and she left the county and quote. It's funny. They're actually doing the reverse of that in the fall. This kind of intimidation murder, arson, rape, and other various assaults was not actually something many of the southern politicians wanted the good old days. They were all worried that the north would send some some more troops down and smack him around a little to get them in line. They also faced opposition from armed Friedman who patrolled their own streets in South Carolina to keep the KKK at bay union vets in Alabama formed an anti kkk to combat these assholes too violent and keefer terror. They caused such as Shit. Show. That, a grand jury declared the clan, a terrorist organization in eighteen seventy. Then Congress had a committee and called several dozen witnesses to talk about the murder and mayhem caused by these racists Fox. The committee heard enough and drafted the eighteen seventy, one civil rights act or the Ku Klux Klan. Act that allowed the president to suspend Habeas Corpus, which is imprisoning people without showing 'cause when it was signed by President Grant I, sent troops to South Carolina, and they started rounding up these scumbags and they just fucking held them for up to five years. In fact, this basically broke the clan and they slunk back under the rocks where they fucking belonged until some asshole and nineteen fifteen thought they would be that they'd be a good subject for a movie. All right see. So don't mistake me like I am all for the end result here, but that does seem like a bit of a rough solution, right? Like I look if you want protection from racists, we're GONNA have to suspend civil rights for a while, but we're the government's you could trust us. We're GONNA totally give him back to you. Yeah. Right. Right. All right. Well, if I know my history, we're about to live and not learn. So let's take a quick break. We like to call apropos of. Brothers brothers got around gather around. Here. All right. As as Grand Dragon Supreme, the ku-klux-klan, the time has come for us to face the facts. This country's turned against us. Our values and ideals are villain is, then we must change with the Times, which is why I'm shifting the focus of organization from the confederacy. To the Microsoft Zoom to the what now, what does that does soon, it was a two thousand, six attempt at a competitor for the ipod. Now hold on just a second. Why the Hayler we gonNA switch to they and excellent question. Excellent question. I think you'll find the zone has a lot in common with our current cows, what was outdated for its time vastly unpopular financial failure. The list goes on okay. But are we still going to like Moda people and stuff? Wow, we share a every apple using idiot. We can get our hands on in fact. We can deck our trucks out in June stickers and soon merged with aware soon, shirts and put a zone on our flags. It's going to be great I don't know about all this now, but I haven't gotten to the best part. Yeah. You see the Zun didn't get cancelled until twenty twelve, which means we have one ho year longer than the confederacy. Gear has. The Microsoft soon lasted one whole year longer than the confederacy. Now. Let's get out there and argue the subscription based music services part of the culture. And we're back and we left off a group of pathetic racists used the confederacy is an excuse to kill and maim people also. So was reading his citation needed us. To See. So what happened next man? In Nineteen Fifteen, the film, the birth of a nation was released. This movie is essentially a hate crime that every clan member jerks off to. It's got black face. It's got white supremacy. It depicts black guys is super sexually aggressive. The white women, it has a lynching in it. It's basically the wallpaper and David. dukes dining room. I, mean, there's a lot more to the movie and it was complex at all for the time, but it promotes lost cause of the confederacy. So it's garbage. It is obsolete. The lynching is by the good guys, and this movie is the fucking Bane of every film buffs existence because if you love cinematic history you have to watch. Right, right like it's the first movie to ever use closeups, fade outs, dissolves cross cutting parallel edits tracking in terms of technique. It's almost certainly the most important movie ever made, but it is an watcher. Lee, Race A. Very. watchable for a guy who watches Christian movies at the rate of one point. In the movie, the Klan members were fancy new dunce caps and some of them look like Nar walls are UNICORNS A. Huge, singular horns sticking straight out of a KKK helmet like a mutated colonel. Tasks. They also burn across and they have the same insignia for their little outfit. So it would service the new dress code for frustrated hillbillies until the present when it was replaced by the Maga hat. To be entirely fair. So without any dress code, I'm not sure like bring a clean shirt would cause problems among this crowd. Specify. This is the start of the second rebirth or after birth. If you will of the plan, it gets fired backup right after the movie comes out and yet it is still there to be a white supremacist garbage factory. But they expanded their sights, include Catholics and Jews, and the quote, the accompanying Peru. Proliferation of Non Protestant cultural values and quote sounds like something Bryant Fischer would say in in about ten years after birth of the nation, the KKK was nationwide. That's right. They were the big time now and not just relegated to the south. The dentist K. K. K. Population was in the most predictable place in the North Indiana Yep. lost. Cause of the north if you will. To Be Entirely Fair Indiana is by geographical. Technicality. Sorry true. The article says that the second clan was less violent, the first and third generations, but then goes on to say and I quote the clan kidnapped Alex Johnson. A black man who had been accused of having sex with a white woman. They burned the words, k. k. k. into his forehead and gave him a severe beating by a river bound the police chief and district attorney refused to prosecute explicitly and publicly stating that they. They believed Johnson deserve this treatment encouraged by the approval of this whipping. The Dallas KKK whipped sixty eight people by the riverbed in one, thousand, nine, hundred, twenty, two alone. She's Dallas KKK often invited local newspaper reporters to attend their whipping. So they could write a story about it in the next day's newspaper and quote Oh. Okay. All right. Real question. Do they think there was something about the riverbed that made this? Okay. Weird is peak for the police chief, but I doubt that they were like, well, keep your beatings to the riverbed were kosher and. Kosher. Okay. I hear you. And they were also kind of fucking huge in nineteen, twenty four. They had an estimated membership, a one point five to four million people how this comes out to about four to fifteen percent of the eligible population in the United States. And I'm not sure if this the women's auxiliary and yes, they had a women's junior ratios. Also weren't backwoods anymore. They started to form an urban areas to and you could see footage from the time of them parading through the streets. Yeah. No watch that if you can spot any berry fine people. I. They were also as an aside, just closely related to the Prohibition Movement, and of course, they were anti immigration. Now, that is some dedication to being a bigger in nineteen twenty four to be anti immigration. You basically had to get off a boat turned to the guy behind you on that boat and be like the fog off my lane. It's like running on and just like not your. Called Cut. So ridiculous what the second clan really accomplished was immigration reform. They were at their largest and most influential when the government passed the Immigration Act in nineteen, twenty four, and this was the first time in history of our country that they started using quotas for immigrants, and if you look at the numbers from this law, you can see the influence the government to allow much greater numbers of white European nations as immigrants. This law was actually one of the major reasons we didn't accept more Jews into the country as refugees during the Holocaust. Okay. But the close up see so nobody would have thought. Jusin, but the ones we had already controlled media, the banks, the jewelry industry, how what would they do when they got here? Very. Advocates. The. Clan experienced. It's heyday in the mid twenties, the branches in the South in Alabama and Georgia really liked flogging people. To death because they drank or were dating someone of another race, they still had police and politicians part of the group. So often evidence would get misplaced or nothing would happen a Klan members, the committed crimes they were lynching people not as many as the previous clan, but any non zero number two. What, how seriously I guess the Great. Depression, was a nice equalizer here in the US. Because four million people in the mid twenty s drop down to thirty thousand in the thirties. Well there's about silver lining to the next couple of months, the clan is, GonNa lose to members. That'd be nice. Cutting back on expenses dry cleaning, the blood out of your sheet is just too expensive. Anymore, I bought a budget. Yeah. Tough membership faltered a bit more, and then like herpes they come back during the civil rights movement herpes come back more during the civil rights. It didn't. Happen around the time of the sexual. Revolution. Yes. This is a quote from wikipedia because in the nineteen fifties, for instance, Individual Klan groups in Birmingham Alabama began to resist social change and blacks efforts to improve their lives by bombing houses in transitional neighborhoods. White men worked in mining and steel industries with access to these materials. There were so many bombings of blacks. In Birmingham by clan groups in the fifties that the city was nickname bombing hands. Sorry. So you must be mistaken. I actually didn't learn anything about those bombings in history class. Sure, they weren't done by the dangerous militarized black. Panthers. I remember. So this is the third birth of the clan and it gets violent. Again, were the second clan tried to rebrand as a racist anti immigration version of the masons clan. The third did their best to get back to their roots and become an overtly terrorist organization. Again, they bobbed firebombed murdered, lynched, intimidated all over the south, they did what they could to injure. Injure Black People and allies in response to civil rights, protests, and civil rights, laws that politicians were trying to pass, and they were still getting away with some of this shit because they had clan members and clan allies in high places, you know sometimes rebranding just means going back to what you know. The the story is really the same as the story of Crystal Pepsi. Soon yeah, isn't it weird that you put so much of this essay in the past ten. Like that soon. Real Weird. Notable Guy Bull Connor who I'm pretty sure. It's one of the characters in Mike Tyson's punch out. Police chief in Birmingham. The story here is that there was a group of civil rights. Activists called the freedom writers. This group would ride buses in the south where the southern states were still enforcing the bus segregation role that was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. So when a bus full, these freedom writers comes down to Birmingham, this fuck stick tells the clan free fifteen minutes to whip the ass of the freedom writers before the police would step in and the Klan did just that with pipes and bats and chains. Wow. Kind of takes the air out of the superior race argument when you need double dragon weapons. A. There was a lot more resistance in the sixties though the FBI and some government officials they were going after him, actually prosecuting them and also infiltrating them with spies in such There was also arms armed black people in neighborhoods that were pushing back to, and my favorite bit from this article is the battle of Hayes pond. The KKK were harassing a tribe of Native Americans, called the lumpy. So they bird some crosses in the lawns and did their regular intimidation bullshit and one night between fifty and one hundred clan members went out to this field to hold a hootenanny in circle jerk and burn across, and so they get there and they start their goofy ritual. And five hundred lucky men armed with whatever they could get their hands on rocks, sticks, guns, surrounded these twats. Now, the Klan members, they filled their pants probably cried some giant weepy tears and then proceeded to run away as the lumpy rushed the stage shot floodlights and fired their guns into the air, and I guess that had clansman was so pissed pants scared. He fucking ran away and he left his wife to. Cancel culture you hate to see. A really good letter. Oh. Shit there's more of them than there are of us. Thing you're doing. My stuff you guys are doing our thing. It's the clan would splinter off and reform abundance throughout the rest of the century, and after the civil rights movement, and they would continue to kill people in generally be shitty up until now. And in fact, they have a resurgence with the Internet and being able to connect anonymously with other fucking losers in a giant fucking loser social network, white nationalist white nationalist have also taken this blueprint and ran with it too. So even if a group isn't directly related to the Klan, they probably Oh some part of their existence to them the webbing between their fingers freaks. Actually. So, before we stop today, I. Wanted to talk a bit about the code words that these surveys. The first is that they changed calendar to get this. I'm not making this up a calendar with a K.. I guarantee you. There are so many weepy fights over whether clough under was to too. So good. So I guess that they they did this so that they could share the super-secret dates when they fucked sisters. So here are here they are straight out of the Malt, O. Meal. Dakota. Ring for the months. And I dare you not to think about this in two thousand, twenty times for the months. January bloody February gloomy march. Hideous April. Fearful may furious, June. Alarming. July. Terrible. August horrible. September. Mournful October sorrowful November frightful, and December appalling. This is you have to remember this is a southern organization, clearly those our weather forecast. Okay. So they also weeks and days for weeks woeful weeping, wailing wonderful, and we're one of these. Wonderful, I don't get wonderful at all. Just one guy in the back. Despite. Cheered up a little. Talk about you gotTa throw something here for Gela show wants something I want something uplifting. You've got something to their from. So then they have days to which are dark, deadly, dismal, doleful, desolate, dreadful, desperate I. Don't know which is which they'd ever said man, they really bummed out their own conversations, didn't they? So it's the it, I'll see you on the dark wailing in sorrowful are sorry January. Third I just mean our lives are shitty. Oh, got it. Okay. They also had hilarious fucking names for leadership positions in the clan. No idea if these are still a thing today, but holy Shit I watched A. On it from the sixties and they were able to film the initiation and have it as seriously. Just third base coach telling someone to seal talking. Happened on his shoulders and. Landed, a plate at the best, they also have Charles Kuralt narrating and he's taking each of these names. So seriously, it's fucking amazing. It's fucking. So funny I I. Think we'll try to include a link to it and the show notes. There's a guy that has to give his. and. He sounds like someone blowing air into a moonshine bottle is so good. I'm GONNA play a clip for you guys right now on a play clip, we're GONNA leave it in the show because it's so amazing. It's less than a minute long card and to assistance report to the Exalted cyclops. Away. Having. committed. By buying? Land. On. We had. Off. Follow. Around. Around when? We're hungry. and. All got. I have to. Every time I go to Walmart. Back, got slowly kept saying. Baby. Back. To here's the names of the people with positions in the organization. The Klay? Lift expressing. CLO- card or the lecturer, the Clud. The rap or the secretary, the club. Which is the treasurer. God, which is the Conductor Largo, the inner guard. Exter-, which is the outer guard and then. Nighthawks or? I. Have No idea why they didn't just go with corier. It'd be. So fuck, we're like, okay. Great. Welcome to our hey, club here is your, Super Weird Imo Klingon `nigma machine and. I'm. Going to need a lot more than you might. Win Real. Man and and you don't have to watch the whole documentary. If you just go to about nineteen, thirty, five, they film The initiation rites and it's the funding sheep ever seen at the most absurd shit. So I want to end today. I'd say a couple of things I. It's easy to look over at a bunch of overt racists and point and say see there's your problem in a lot of ways. The KKK and other racist groups are scapegoat for all racism in our country, share their shitting evil. But in some ways, they give the rest of the raciest structures in our country a pass, we spend our time focusing on them never really addressed the real issues. Issues of systemic racism. It's also not enough to just be non-racist. We need to be antiracist weenies, Rudolph problems of racism in systems, an and the systems of racism in our culture and a radical them, and this is a one time thing. You don't just dust off your hands and declare it's done. It's an ongoing process where you need to constantly examine yourself and society and then act. Yes, absolutely. Well, said man I mean. Think, about the audience that we have with this show, if we all work together, we could literally replace all the United. The right guys with Jews. The. Yeah, that is great. Advice See. So let's I've actually been collecting one person from every race to keep it my side. So I can yell is this racist to that? Their answer's always. Yes. Yes. Yeah. They just hold up that card. They, just follow you around with that. All right see. So are you ready for the quiz? I am ready for the quiz by Clo- card friends. Okay I got a good one for you here. What kind of music do they play at Ku? Klux Klan relish. A lack. Of? Rhythm and. Blues. RIGHT BE PLAN TANA's. C. KKK, pop? Or a tonal discordance as any other music would acknowledge the outsized African American contribution to our. You know I I. Love Them All. They're very good. But I gotTa Say K. K. K. pop is my absolutely. Correct, that is correct. Oh. Okay. All right there. Okay. With Koreans strange. All right. See size you pointed out. In twenty twenty, the KKK had its heyday in the. Mid Twenties so We're not quite at Zenith folks. God the. Second. Verse. Same as. Jesus Christ? Or see flattened the curve. Let me tell you. We're GONNA. Flatten this carpet. See. It's gotta be. Alright seesaw in two, thousand, six, the FBI put out an extensive report on the deep white supremacist infiltration of law enforcement what at our government do. Nothing. Strong contender stricken area, increase the budgets, and militarization of the police force all. I'm that's what now see joined the fucking KKK apparently. Fall of the above. I think burn grants were in place before two thousand, six. I'm going to go with a nothing that is correct. See So. You you win none of us stumped. None of US wanted. We didn't win but I'm. GonNa choose no one next week. So Noah's can. All right. I'll keep all these upbeat subjects going. All, right. Well Tom Know NC Salami lie. Bosnich. Thanking you for hanging out with us today. We'll be back next week by then no will be an expert on something else be now, and then you can listen to heats rebuttal episode on his. Needed citations. Cognitive dissonance and no one and myself on the skating is the skeptical Godawful Movies D. and D. minus, and if you'd like to keep this show going, you could make a per episode donation at Hadrian Dot com slash citation pod, or. Five Star Review everywhere. You can, and if you'd like to get in touch with us, check out past episodes connect with us on social media or check the show notes be sure to check out citation pod Dot Com and remember if you think all lives matter yours probably doesn't Zoo. Will. Toss. Household on how I thought. We was in favor of Disease Oh shit. That's right. It's a good chance that we shouldn't throw the chance. Lady Path, water.

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2:40:41 hr | 2 years ago

Sarah Silverman

"Maybe hey with a woman's is act can feel you watch in. When I feel cold you want me. And when I feel I can't go on you come in. Oh me. It's you and me forever. Serra Silverman duty do. Welcome to armchair expert has nice never sang an intro, but felt appropriate. Yeah. Ye really took it on tackle that one. Sarah silverman. What a get for us. Oh my gosh. I feel so honored coming out swinging in nineteen going to be hard to top all downhill from here, just saying, well, you know, Sarah Silverman, for Pete's sakes. If you don't know Sarah Silverman than you need to throw your mobile device out the window of your car or just do some googling get to know our right whole over get your phone out of the ditch and YouTube, Sarah Silverman. But look we're super fans of Sarah super. She's incredible. She's so funny. She's so smart. She's the biggest heart, and and she's easy on the eyes to. Yeah. There. I like her I like her. So without further ado, please enjoy Sarah Silverman. 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Look for baby bell in the deli or dairy section of your local grocery store. And if you get some please share it with me, he's. Are we recording Monica? Oh, wonderful. Yeah. Start do. You don't been do you wanna wear these? I enjoy to. Oh. Because then I know I don't have to project. That's right. I don't even like, I guess I'm so used to going to radio station right in sitting behind like a desk. And then there's the microphone and headphones. Even if I go on stern, I feel very physically uncomfortable. Like, I feel so exposed just sitting on a couch in the fact that it's a headset. Yeah. The headset. The like Janet Jackson thing they have now yet does that does that throw you out of your comfort zone? It all get used to it. Do. Vice? Do you think brought? Yeah. I do in fact that would be something. I would get to later. But yeah, I think you have ice in your veins specifics, my heart next, very, are you kidding? Well, I'll tell you this as a performer not as a human rather. I don't believe in developing a thick skin. I'd rather just have a little more perspective on where things are coming from and understand them or. Oh, that's a good way. Yeah. That's a good way to look at it because I want to feel things in. But it is it is interesting because you're right like in order to be affective. There has to be a distance, you know, like in comedy. If you wanna talk about something, you're very passionate about you have to have some kind of wall or distance just like an emergency worker. Someone who works in -mergency room is going to be more effective if they can. Separate what's going on? Because otherwise, they're going to bleed ING. Okay. Yes. This you know, and you have to be able to have a kind of distance just like social workers and stuff, you know, the you get into it because you're compassionate, L, me medics and in order to be effective. You have to be able to be slightly less compassionate, just objective in being objective is almost anthem to being emotional. And. Yeah, this guy Paul bloom wrote. Wrote a couple of different books, about empathy. And he said, you know, we think of empathy is just this blanket positive thing like of euphemism for any good nature things. He said in point of fact, that empathy is not useful. And he gives his that example, if your surgeon is imagining being in your shoes while operating on you very ineffective, he wouldn't be able to cut into your. She wouldn't be able to cut into you. So or if you were walking along the beach, and you saw someone drowning you don't ending. I always say it wrong. It'll be one of many words, I say wrong throughout the next little bit. But he said, you know, you don't need empathy to act into do good. In fact, if you saw someone drowning the worst thing you could do is to put yourself in their shoes because it would make you hysterical. Right. But the is in the beans comment is simply you have a type of comedy, which has so much quiet in it, which I find to be the. The most scary thing you could do in stand up. There's a few people that really do it in your certainly one of them interested. You're aware of that obviously moments that yeah, I learned that from Garry shandling o'really. He remember him telling me that sometimes what you aren't saying is just as much a part of it as what you are saying. And of course, when you start doing stand up if you don't have the crowd, you'll you'll over talk. You'll talk louder you'll talk faster and that's desperation track. I'm still in that phase of my comedy. Yes. So you have to be willing to. Yeah. Have those those moments? Yeah. I just I find it to be very brave. And in fact, we both listen to stern a lot in in. The Seinfeld interviews I love on their what he says the kind of people. He admires. He admires the comics that can kinda just sit in those beats and be patient and not panic and let all that happen. And that to me is still the most mind blowing kind of confidence you can have on stage. It's very interesting because people are not traditionally comfortable in the quiet moments. And I can give an example of my dad who when we're on the phone if there is a single beat of silence. He goes on. Heartbreaking, even though it's you know, he's fine. But it's it's because he is terrified of those quiet moments. You know that someone's going to give up on him or the conversation will be over like my worst moments of the year are in a long elevator ride with like four strangers. I just find it grueling. I are you super comfy in an elevator. Are you enjoying the awkwardness of it? That's some I have had interior monologues. Where I think everybody here. Standing in. Silence. I'm not the only one standing in silence. Something to be comfortable. And and then other times, I will take it upon myself to be the host of the elephants me, you can count on the fact that around floor six I'm gonna make some joke because I just feel like they all need rescuing idea to and even if I tank it'll be better than the other experience we were having. It's interesting. But I I don't know I'm going back to this. But I have been thinking about them terms of like being too close to something to be effective. It's it's like when I if a cop's wife gets murdered you'd think he'd be the perfect detective on the case because he's he knows about his wife. Of course, he's taken off the case because he's too close to it. Yes. I've heard you make this point. Start. I totally realized what it was about. And and I didn't hear you. As I was watching clips of you in preparation for this. I was realizing how many times you've had to deal with all that kind of done with it. Because that interview all these click bait. Yes, you think you're putting something too bad? It was on purpose. Not what I was saying at all. I know. I know God the recently did this to Kristen. And it was it was just it was a thoughtful interview. And then it got reduced to some sentence that doesn't even resemble the interview. And then that thing, of course, was incendiary to everyone on all political sides. And it just yeah. It's a disaster outlet is immune to is classier classier than doing that. Because the they're all drowning in desperate. Yeah. They all gotta make money in this word paradigm, which that's required. It's all quoted accurate, but nobody clicks. No, no, most people are reacting almost solely to a headline. They saw no one's reading the full article on anything, by the way, I'm guilty of. Yes. Totally guilty of it. But I do now try to be more aware of it. But but when I heard you make that point. I it reminded me of something I always think which is like I will sometimes be against the death penalty. Right. And then someone will smartly say what if it was your daughter that was moved murdered. And I say. I would want that person killed, but we shouldn't have someone that's been the victim of their child dined be making policy for the country. That's the actual last person. Because I'm now so emotional about that there's no way I could evaluate right? The pros and cons of it or be objective. Probably ninety percent of the stuff. We're saying we're too. We are too close to the fire. We are. And then there's the other side of that of of I wish more people who have experienced. Not having money for healthcare. Not, you know, having having education before the rich healthcare for the rich. You know, all these things who people who have touched, you know, Betsy DeVos had any point experienced or or witnessed struggling to get simply in education in the the the richest country in America would have a little more information to go on this documentary. The guy's name is Daryl Davis, he's jazz musician, and he's black and his documentary. Call accidental courtesy accident Kersee. It's it's incredible. He he in the seventies. He's just he was like a professional musician. So he'd sit in with different bands. And I guess in the late seventies or eighties country was kind of big. So we found himself in these different country bars and one guy came up to him saying, how great you played the piano. And then would you like to sit down have a drink? And then he stalking with him and his buddy. And he says what do you do is buddy nudges him? And he's like tell him tell him. He's a no I'm not getting tell me tell he's the grand wizard of the klu Klux Klan and the grand wizard admits him, he's literally the first black guy. He's ever spoken to and his life. He had some Hoge on his whole life without actually conversing with lifers. He then becomes friends with that guy. And he is he's the guy like he goes to his wedding. Just he's going to Klan rallies where they're burning across in over the years. He has reached out to all these different grand wizards or imperial dragons, for whatever they're fun, dungeons and dragons names are and he has gotten fifteen of the leaders to leave the clan, and he collects their hoods and shit in his house, and it's just incredibly cool, and you start realizing oh people you assume everyone had the same experience you did in some people never met a gay person or that they know of go towards love, even Trump was a democrat. But he went towards where he got the love from. That's always what happens. That's why if you engage. It goes usually pretty well. Engage with love, and I'm not saying that's easy or necessarily the right thing to do or that anyone's obligated to do it. But it's pretty fruitful usually. And you see that that, you know, hate comes from this as probably boring at this point, but fear, and you know, the fear fear of what is unknown. I mean when on my show, we went to Louisiana, you know, this family who all voted for Trump. And you know, and they hosted me for. I love you America. Yeah. And she said she said they had to Google Jew. They just had it's not worth their life yet. Supposed to and she said, did you Adam LeVine is one? I did. Get your Jimmy deans. Running the world in my own experience. When I was a little kid, the first people, I became aware of that were Jewish where our neighbors when I was five years old, and I had heard like they're Jewish the in that around the like, you know, little apartment complex. It was very well known. They were Jewish and I am my five year old brain was trying to figure out like, oh, what's what's what makes them Jewish in? The only thing I could figure out was that they were the only people that drove a foreign car. They drove a Beato bug. Detroit and everyone drove an American car. And I was like, oh Jewish people drive foreign cars. That's why they're Jewish. You know, that was the only thing that seemed obviously different about them. I mean, listen my have to you know, I was raised by agnostic at best. Parents and we were Jewish or less than Silverman. But you know, I grew up in New Hampshire and all the parents of my friends would say are you from New York, and I'd go what's new here? But looking back it as an adult, of course, they just thought like Jews are from New York, and that's totally understandable. And I also realize that like I I knew in Nate Louis, but I didn't know why. Or I could have never like articulated this as a kid too. Show my friends parents that I was not scary. And that I was polite and that you know, I was nothing to fear. You know, had this. I I knew instinctively I guess newer somehow, an ambassador for Jewish people in their home, and you know, my older sister. Who is now rabbi, you know, we grew up with no religion, we weren't. But midst Fudd, we didn't we never went to a bar mitzvah. We didn't know at that was growing up. We just didn't grow up with Jews at all. And she thought being Jewish men being a democrat because that's how we're different in our town. You know, for sure so you embraced it. Then you weren't like I don't know what that is an I'm not that run from it. You know, I did a little because I remember a lot. I would say we're Jewish. But like, we're don't we're not like, we don't qualify low with you know, I was kind of qualifying. Yeah. I didn't I didn't understand why I was instinctively doing that. But. You're kind of you're talking about something, and I hope to there's a weird thread through a lot of things. I hear you say in interviews, and then what I witness in my own wife, which is really interesting because you would think reactions are predictable in objectively will go one way or another. What what you really see or what I've seen is? It depends so much on what that person's self esteem is in their sense of power and all these things whether or not they'll be triggered by something. Right. So my example is a lot of people hate Andrew dice clay. My wife had no idea who he was high. I show her a bunch of videos sheet loves it like I did when I was young God, I loved him. And that my prediction was that you probably loved him too. Yeah. Yeah. I remember listening to his records, the comedian friend in New York when as I you know, nineteen. Yeah. And just watching Kristen laugh hysterically, and then I'm also quite aware of that quite. Few women felt like he was a massage and he was terrible. And they hated his thing which I also understand. But I think the main differences that my wife feels very impounded. She doesn't feel like she's powerless or a victim often. She's attained a lot of cultural capital, there's all these reasons where it doesn't trigger anything for her. I agree. But I think it's even more. So because I think she would be not personally triggered, but she would be very defensive of protective of women who are in vulnerable positions. If she felt that it came from a as a literal or sincere place within him, right? Like she was able to evaluate his intentions and she decided his intentions weren't. Yeah. He's. Horrific. I think absurd that scene out in my takeaway because I've argued with a few people on here about Andrew dice clay's, very polar comedian. But but my wife's boss, Mike. Sure, really dislikes him and always has. And even when your kid, you didn't think it was funny the nursery rhymes and everything and you just never liked him. And you do recognize it is a send up of that archetype. Like, it's he's in on the joke. He's pointing out what to do bag. This guy is right. I would love for you to have them on your show. Because I I'm not sure. But I I have to believe that certainly how I I it. And so that's how the art was in to me. Right. Right. But it could I could be making a terrible mistake. But he is he he's not he was very powerful at that time too. So I kind of understand like Nora Dunn feeling the way she felt, you know, in a time where starting at live probably. It's felt it may be felt like it echoed genuine experience their time. I I don't know because I wasn't there them. But suffices if you're a woman who just recently got someone yelled at you on the street. Hey bitch. I'd like to put my tongue in your ass. And then the first line you hear him saying, so I've got my tongue up this chicks s that's a different context by which you're receiving that. Right. I mean, you could you could come into it having just experienced guys being complete assholes and truly misogynistic. And then you see that. And it looks like more of that. I guess the point I'm trying to make the receiver has such a big role in this whole like when you say a guy on the street says Bill now when I was nineteen in New York remember walking by construction workers and getting cat called and looking back at them. And and the guy saw me look back. And went not you. I was like sad. It was. Yes, sir. I'm much older self possessed. And I'm just a different Mike. My. Commodity is is isn't necessarily sex. Did you have like a wake for that? I think you're wrong about that evaluation. But that's that's fine. But so now if I'm judged by my looks, it's such a treat, and it's and if a guy cat called me, it'd be like me. Sweet. His tongue. My full is like then makes me cry like from move doesn't even know if you've showered he's just trusting that you're clean first penis. I ever saw was my boss at a restaurant. I worked at and talk restaurant, and he wouldn't have done that to me now. They have an innate instinct of what they can get away with and with whom they can get away with this is something where I didn't tell my parents. I didn't tell anyone about it for so many years, and I can't figure out why. But the he must have known at least eight -ly why? You know, because gosh, if he had done it five years later, I would have. Been spoken about it. Yes. You would ashamed him dramatically. Probably they certainly wouldn't have internalized that. Shame. And so I mean, it is it's very interesting. What we in Nate Lino as humans what he nightly knew what I did as a kid is being like the Jewish kit or all those things that we don't know why we know them, and we couldn't articulate that we know them. But we do. Yes. Well, I was thinking about this either day. Monica nine talked about at length, and I'm trying to think of a way to bring it up on here. But it's so dicey. But I'll just say from my very own experience. So I was molested as a kid and the guy who did it. The whole reason I was even around this guy repeatedly was he had a go cart that I really wanted to buy. And he kept saying that he was going to sell me this go-cart for cheap been. So all of the ugliness happens in for years. I will I I don't even tell anyone for years. And there are so many things going on, you know, as a young male where I grew up. The worst thing you could be on a playground as a girl, but only worse than that was a fag. And so I thought oh, I'm a homosexual now because I did this thing. Plus, I was all these things. Right. And I later admitted it to this female for new mine who'd kind of told me about how she'd been attacked by gun. I felt like I gotta meet her halfway beyond us about myself. And I told her and all of a sudden it just got started getting easier and easier needier, but over the years. Yes, talk about and over the years. What I've come to realize a big bulk of the shame isn't what he did to me. The big. Bulk of the shame is that I played a role in it. I wanted something from this person. I wasn't a situation that I didn't like and I knew I didn't like it. But I kept going forward because I wanted that thing, and I have to imagine for so many survivors of trauma like that. So much of the thing you can't get over as your own involvement, and you need to for me. I needed to go. Oh, yeah. You were eight dude. You really want to go car? It's okay. You need to forgive yourself. And then what I was thinking about was almost all of these interactions, barring those where you get tackled in an alley. Most of these situations someone has leverage over someone in the leverage. Is you want something from that person? And they've recognized that and they're going to try to get their devious plan executed using this leverage. And I think all of us carry around the guilt of having been succumb to the leverage. People have Oshii them Bisciste. She was being impish. Forbid you wanted something for yourself. Yes. And I bet a lot of people there were bells going off going gotten myself in a dicey situation. I shouldn't be here. And I think I almost think that's where the bulk of the healing needs to happen is like you just admitting a yeah. I heard my intuition, and I really wanted something. And that's okay. I'm a human. And that's what we do. And it's okay. Can you are still taking advantage of? Yes. There is no part of what he did. That was. Okay. No, absolutely not. But I I find that like the real the real stuff you Russell with or just speak for myself, the stuff I Russell with his mind, mistakes, not yours like you may have done something to me in the past. And they'll be mad about it for two weeks. But it's me when I lay in bed. I think fuck I really was mean to that person twelve years ago. I'm just carrying my shit. You know last night when I was falling asleep. I thought of something that I did. Dynamic that I created with a man that if it was the other way around would have been very clearly not, okay, right? I'm sure he wouldn't mind with easy comedian. And he's he he did stand up. He writes now, he's he's very successful great guy, and I had such sexual prowess. I was very confident, and he was very kind of shy, and he gave me a ride somewhere. And I was talking very sexually very explicitly at him. You know, and it was it felt like power really was remembering this last night, and I was talking about sex and orgasms and this and that and I think there's Bermuda got off on making him uncomfortable. And then he said. Will when I come. I come a lot. Oh. How? Me up. And we I laugh, but it was in. I am. Shut me down like it was brilliant because I was feeling so powerful in the power was coming from making him uncomfortable. And then he made me uncomfortable in this. He did. I mean, I'm in all of it. But coming over the top on the bet he liked raising. I see that. Now fucking double that race. I don't have great cards. I was hoping you'd full not. But anyway, the point being that I thought. Wow. If that was the other way around we would be very familiar with what that is. And why it's wrong, and I just thought oh my goodness. I should call Chuck Martin. On the phone. But you know, it's interesting because these things aren't tit for tat because we live in a patriarchal. And so that guy had the confidence to come over the top, you know, he just an eight Lee from the site. He lives, and he's like, I can always fight back. I know I guess what? I what he said. I am. I am. I fully supportive of it. And I wish I could remember the things I was saying, but yeah, I it was right of him. Yeah. Yeah. Present. I was I was. Using my power to degrade him in a way. I think you're your own titillation in museum just to as as feeling power in this in this world, I think yeah. To justify it. But I thought ooh. Or like when everything was happening this year with me too and everything and I thought oh my God. I walked into the writer's room when he said Jocelyn, I I I'm your boss, and I shouldn't have made you look at my puberty. Worked for me, you that was a situation where maybe, you know. Of course, they said this in front of the whole writer's room. And she was like, no, it's okay, sir. I, you know. Oh, well, we'll was convinced that I have straight Bubes really didn't believe me. I wouldn't have believed that, but then my friend Chris Ramana said it's because it's just from like the day. But is it on flattened? Yeah. But even of the shower, I mean, there may be a bit of a wave, but just very interesting now if you were to let it grow to its full capacity seal, it's there right now, that's fantastic. Because it's been you know, it's winter. And I haven't it gets cold. What happens is I just take the beard trimmer and put it on a one. But it said a pretty full so city full length and every and it's dry. You've got on shower key. Yeah. It is. It is. Say it straight. I have a mental image in my head probably wrong. Where's yours? Come from. I know reminds from. Oh, no. I'm just picturing a new image head. I don't have a reference point. But I picture like your hair down, lying flat. People think straighten my hair, I think 'cause I'm Julie. But it is it's pretty straight. I have stray wonder if people think that do they think that, but I think everyone. Yeah. The Houston other women accuse you of straightening. But if I'm in like a hair and makeup chair for the first thing, they go, do you straighten your hair, and I go, no, it's not currently New York private betel farming town. Well, I have an image in my head. And it's from that film. I was telling you about the other day, the comma sutra they made a movie, and it was like on Showtime when I was not one movie, it was a regular movie. But it was definitely a soft chorus. All right now a ton of nudity and stuff, right? In one would be a woman with it would show women with full bushes. Full bushes on which I love and was very long and very straight, which I had never seen straight on Indian girls. Yes. It was straightened out they straighten that then you flat iron the bluish shore took a hot O rien to that at any rate. He was sticking straight out parallel to the floor. She was standing Drake. Wow. So that's what I was picturing for you. When you just said it was strong. It just lays flat down like. Yeah. Okay. Great wiry, but not curly in its did people corroborate when you showed them at your work where they like. Oh, you're right chows was like, yeah. And then Glenn was like, no minor like that too. Then she showed me and hers are like that too. Oh, what this thing is that. There. I mean, I guess if out of the shower, I like scrunch dried it. Ramp going mater, go to bed with it. Wet. That's what I do. If I want to have a little body in my hair. I go to bed with my hair. Still a little damp out of the shower. When I wake up it's got waves really Myers, bone straight. Not unlike your pubic hair, it is straight is country roads. That became catch. Well, what you really want to do if you wanna get a good curl is while it's wet you braid it could do little braids. And then in the morning you release the braid. And then it's nice and crimping curly. Please. Do that report back to the nineteen? If that if it worked as pew braid, it go to bed with it, wet and braided and then see just see I don't think I could braid it. I mean, it's only like at its longest it's probably an engine house for really that full length. I don't know. I mean, I don't know how how like a year of not would be. Yeah. It's not, you know, I like a nice full. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's fantastic. For more armchair expert. If you dare we are supported by policy genius. No one wants to think about getting life insurance. 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This is in no way excuses. Anyone shit like it's not an excuse. But I do know in my own experience. It's weirdly hard to recognize the power and privilege. You have like you don't ever feel. I don't ever even when I'm like, the director of a movie and clearly these hundred people are asking me questions ice still feel like fifteen from Michigan. I don't I just don't you know, what I'm saying. It's weirdly hard to recognize that. Oh, I guess people. Do see me that way, it almost feel eagle maniacal acknowledge that about myself that I I think you're probably a collaborators. But I mean, you're this is different being the the director on said is different from acknowledging white privilege. No, I no, no, no, no. But I'm saying even your example where you are at work. And all of a sudden, you go, I've showed my pubic hair. Employees. I don't I don't feel that way. We're in a writer's room. I throw out garbage and they feel comfortable saying. Our navy yard. And we we collaborated moon. Yeah. I am the I'm the boss, but I don't I don't feel you don't feel like the boss do all right to knowledge that to these twenty nine year olds. I certainly am. It wouldn't be I in terms of looking at what what we're all the national conversation around. Yes. Show-bizzy conversations around at the very least, you know. I it's important to acknowledge it when I'm wondering is the moment you driving in the car, and you were saying pervy stuff. Did you have a you were recognizing that you were in kind of an elevated status. No power in life at the time or anything. But I I guess, but but I felt. A sexual prowess that I was feeling myself internet. I mean, I was just I was just I was just remembering this memory last night as a bed and and thinking about if that were the other way around and yes, you're right. We live in a patriarchy in its it isn't the same. It's not tit for tat. But I do also. And I'm not worried per se about this. But I want to be conscious of it that when women takeover, and we are living in a matriarch. He that it is inclusive, and we don't just become old white men because. I think there are examples of that now with women, but you know, would just in terms of its is that the person or the power there's been some damn dark female leaders throughout history. So to me, there's a lot of proved to same powers corruptible. You know, the reason to be a billionaire, right? Other than ego. You couldn't spend it in a lifetime. But what is weird about that though is that? So that's a very obvious. Yes, that's true yet fears which motivate so much of what we do. They are generally irrational to begin with. So the fact that you could have a kind of a rational answer to something that's irrational in my case. I have a ton of fear of economic security, for whatever reason just the way I was raised. I obsess about it. I don't need to have plenty enough money to not think about it yet. I also aware of the fact that I can imagine having eight hundred million dollars in thinking, I gotta get a billion just norm safe is stupid in Russia's because all things being driven by fear, which is just rich people never have enough money. That's why for like I keep my overhead so low because I'm not married. I don't have kids, and I need to make sure that I can afford like metal, you know, medical care. I'd like to have like a live in nurse in my old age. I'd like to live with friends, you know, I'd like to have a want to be able to live out my years, laughing and comfortable and healthy. And so I I definitely think about those things but at the same the minute that number right? Whatever number you would decided make would make you feel safe. It just keeps changing right? You're doesn't. I don't know. I mean, I wanna make sure they're a lot of as we all do a lot of people around me taking care of. And so it's just. Yeah. I definitely. I definitely want to have a wanna make money while I'm in earning near you wanna make hay while the sun shine. I I don't know how to tackle this thing. I wanna talk to you see like, generally, I feel like I know like the points along the conversation. I wanna have. But I don't here's what I want to start with. I ran into you Comecon five years ago. Maybe six years ago, you were promoting the first Reckitt Ralph you were backstage with John C Reilly in. Then Kristen I walked up, and I saw you and you had just been on stern. And he told some really funny story on stern. And there was a really sexual part of whatever joke. It was. And I can't even really remember now. But I like soon as I saw you. I went straight to that. I like went straight to all my God. That thing you did. And it was so graphic. But it was your graphic. It wasn't mine. You know what I'm saying? I was like Richard Christie's balls. No. It was something more like sexual to you your own sexuality was the story involved your own sexuality, and then I just launched right into that. Right. And it kind of it fell very flat. Let's say that like, I remember number all of this. I mean, this is the hilarity of centers have that game. All right to that thing. I wouldn't. I'm sure it twice about it. Right. Okay. We'll thank you. But this by the way, this how almost all amend when you make amends. They go this way. Like, I remember. But for years it's been bothering me. And I remember looking at Chris. She just kind of give it looked like it was a very big swing and just kind of like. No pleasantries. I just got right to this pervy that like let's say that you had had an hour interviewing whatever the very pervious thing, you said in that interview is what I immediately said I liked about that interview. And I remember John Zarrella just kinda going that was a pretty strong statement, blah, blah, blah, we walk away. I've moulded over for years. And here's some other thing. I don't remember. I don't remember. But I don't think it's incredibly relevant. This is what I want to go through. Then of seen you even watched a bunch of interviews with you this morning, and I noticed like if you do Andy Cohen you have to answer who you would fuck, right? Ironically, he asked if you would fuck me that was one of like, I don't know how I made that list. It was like Tom Selleck you wanted to know about. I I really don't maintain. How can you you do? So many interviews. You just be they they you rightly data dump those to make room for real life. Don't that's great because honestly, even like specials as soon as they're done. They're out there of my brain. Yes. Remember single one. Yeah. And is probably is weird. You right. That like fans of yours. I may remember more of your jokes than you do just kind of dump it out after. But right. Yeah. By the way, you said you would not have sex with me that was your answer because you're married to Christie. No. But I felt like even like I mean that was reitera those probably the inside and out. Was probably the correct answer. But I was like, oh, she would because you say Tom Salik, and I was like. Also, just this. You know, when you're talking it's basically fantasy and like he seems like Republican issue. And you know, I have like there's like a fantasy you want different things than what you want and realize you can almost two I think there's like literature on this. You can kind of be attracted to your presser. It's kind of like what stopping center. I know this is the weirdest thing to put out there right now. But just anecdotally in my own experience. I couldn't look more Aaron, and I grew up among a lot of Jewish people west Bloomfield, Michigan, and I found that those Jewish girls were inordinately attracted to me way, more than the blonde girls. Yeah. And I thought there's something psychological going on here. You know, it's not like, I'm that objectively just handsome. There's something happening here. I'm could it be darker than the guy who created J date met his wife on J date, and she's Asian Jewish guys in Asian. Oh, really, not all but very much. Well, that's one of the many stereotypes about Jews people that I like is that they say Jewish men. Make the best husbands. Have you heard? That stereotype I've heard that. Yeah. Yeah. I will say. Being with myriad types of men. Right. And I really have I think I wanna grow and figure out you know, what I'm drawn to more. But I do have very good taste in men. I love my ex's. I mean, I love them. But I don't I've never understood how you stopped loving someone couldn't agree with you more friends with every ex girlfriend. I had I don't like if you loved someone. I don't understand how you turn that off still very much go fuck it, you know. But I I love I love them like they feel like family like something for me a door slides up in the whole sexual component is completely on. Right. But I just the love is. So they're still I don't understand evolved. Most people don't have that. They need a separation once it's done. I accept that. It's volved. But I also think there might be a fucked up part of me that needs to always know your liked by the person. I don't know. I'm just leaving it open that it might come from. A weakness. Not strength. I don't know. But yeah. But I think ultimately, and is is strength to not be like, hey, you know, had all they wasn't something. I felt like I needed to overcome and understand and realize it's it's really it's the it is like the Silverman. Seems like the Silverman sister way, we all are all out another theory, which would be largely depends on how that you exited that relationship. So if you're someone who found out they had fucked your best friend and your sister, and all this stuff, and blah, blah, blah. And then maybe you want it be as loving. But if you're someone that in a relationship has always demanded respect that generally when you leave relationships you don't feel like a victim, you're smiling. Like one ear boyfriends fucked your sister and your. Perspective and time. I, you know, I do still love me at all. But there was someone that did something similar to that. Yeah. Okay. By the way of Bennett. It would never occur to me in a million years that he would cheat. I've have been cheated on. I never in a million years thought it, and so it was. Shocking. But you know, I it changed me in a way that I wasn't happy to be changed where like in my next relationship. I said if you cheat on me, I will murder you and go to jail forever because I wanted to make sure I don't want to ever wonder I want to just no it won't happen. I I can't imagine doing that to someone. I'm with I don't even see other men as sexual beings. If I'm with someone. I turn that off. I mean, I, you know, well MO. And it sounds like it's easy for you to turn that off is it easy. Yeah. I have to ask myself about the relationship. I'm yes, I'm going to say something also even worse than the last couple of things I said, but the other day, I was saying, you know, a genuinely feel bad for pedophile because I I have never had to talk myself out of an urge towards a child. I just don't have that. I'm not wrestling with that. It's not like, you know, I'm just stronger. I don't have that. So. Yeah. That's I can't imagine anything worse than having to talk myself out of. But now strain I've had terrible time with I have to talk myself out rain. Yes. Impasse relationships for sure I have had an open relationship. So I've come in my twenties. I was like, look, I I'm not I can't do this. When I was nineteen and twenty I needed to know what every man's balls. Look. But I also when I dated someone I would say when I'm with you. I'm with you when I'm not with you don't worry about where I am. Okay. Well, that's how I was too. I was never dishonest about it. I just I knew my limits. I was someone who was wrestling nonstop about it. Yeah. Part of it. I'm horny bigger part of it. I'm approval junkie. I need approval from people I deem as having status or beauty or whatever thing I need that approval. So I'm I've fallen victim to that many time thing I will say about Jews in general from what I understand the religion of Jewishness is that sex is a positive thing. Even just not for recreation. Not just for recreating, but for enjoyment shar, I loved having. I lost my virginity as a comedian. When I was nineteen that seems kinda late. Yeah. Doesn't it? I also like didn't get my period until I was almost eighteen. Super tiny. When did you get moves? I got boobs like I got my period and boobs in like seventeen and all of a sudden, I was like this sexualize being, but I had never been. I'd always been just the Corky. Funny. Little scrawny kid. You know, that's interesting because that kind of gets to a bed wetter till I was like sixteen. Do you think that was part of it because I was little there's there's there's a bit of a mystery with you to me, which is your super tractive. You've always been super-duper attractive since I can see in my head the very moment. I I saw you were on episode of weekend update uncertain live. And I was like they've got a ten on Saturday Night Live. This is this is crazy. And then I'm one of my first trips, Los Angeles. I saw you at a bar, and I was like oh my God. There's that girl, and she's so beautiful in person into know that you chose the lane of like hanging out with dudes and being comedian as always felt curious to me because I'm assuming you look just like you looked at nineteen when you were fifteen, but you didn't. So you're like a scrawny what kind of kid were you in high school? I was popular in that. I was I got along with all the different clicks. I stayed on the periphery. Okay. So I was liked but any problems with anybody? And I wasn't. I didn't have boyfriends percent. I had a couple friends, but we never did anything more than like kiss a little bit. I was just like I wasn't. And we're you funny. What was your stock trade? Yeah. I was funny. So when you would get along with people it was like that was the first foot you were putting forward. Yes. Sarah was the funny one, you know, so I got along. And I I you know, I got along with everybody cause any waves, and I was not in Inouye threatening to anyone is them. And I wonder what when you turned into the thing you then turned into. Was that? Well, you must have and no I think most people do I don't think you do which is so fascinating. I mean, you're like, yeah. You're a unicorn in that you could have just been like a beautiful actress that's not I would've loved to be Inonge enu. That's what I wanted. That was my dream. I learned very early that wasn't available to me. Well, 'cause girls are the wacky friend. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. It was there like you see Jenny slate starring things and stuff. And and, you know, oh, very exciting and NBC executive who is Jewish a man who told me the only attractive Jewish woman is Natalie Portman, you know, so she was the only one who. And I love her transcended her Jewishness. She was allowed to play people who deserved love. I talk about this. And this is my experience. But believe me, I know that there are plenty of women of color that are that are just starting to be able to also you know, that, but they understand too. It's like, you're the your mama Monaco's, an actress ones less you saw the female lead of show or movie. That. Yeah. Yes. It's the walls are just breaking down. But I mean, yeah, this was I was told in no uncertain terms that I was you know, I could be the exposition for the the, you know, I could say, but you could read here, and he loves you could recap like the second act and Sarah bunch of those. I just decided that's not I'd rather just do stand up or do my own thing. Right. Because here's something I've noticed in Hollywood. I have to mention you've seen it too. Which is there are a lot of men in Hollywood who they didn't get girls growing up. And then they Cheever this level of fame that gives them access to all these women. Right. And there's something it's like hard for them to compute. I've seen like the result beat many different things I've seen it be massage knee on some level. Like, they hate women because now the women like them to rage. Also, they want it all you want Kimmel. When I dated him. I remember him saying I would never want a date someone who wouldn't give me the time of day in highschool someone who I know wouldn't right school. And that's very rare for man. I totally what you see a lot of in extends beyond just women, but they end up occupying this kind of alpha status role, but they just weren't that person in high school they've kind of no training, and the just mis manage it or they're they're doing what they've seen a move. I don't know. It's all clumsy. Imagine is cool guys. They all were like, I know guy who was like definitely was a nerd, and then became very popular. And he's he's wonderful. But it's like he gets tans anywhere leather jacket because that's what the cool horsh. And. Yeah. It's like, yeah. Yeah. So I'm, but I'm wondering you weirdly, so all through high school, you kind of you we make our identity right in high school for me was I have ninth and tenth grade. I just I couldn't a little crazier. I mean, I was six three one forty long straight hair and back Perman top huge knows acne. I was a fucking mess. Montagne? My brother convinced me that we needed to get perms because our hair didn't have enough body. And I did it. My view is mildly trae. Yeah. Yeah. St issue. I guess and God bless those two years because I said, oh, look this face of yours isn't going to get you in the door. You've got to be funny. You gotta get a permanent when that didn't work. I'm like, it's time to be funny. And you gotta be a good dancer. These are the things you're going to be and those things I put a lot of time into. Luckily, and then I turned out normal looking. But boy, those years kind of defined me who I am. There are people who grow up with affluence or beauty. And honestly, like my heart goes out to a lot of them because they do not have skills for life, and they never had to have a personality and that can't be enjoyable. But clearly when you hit nineteen and you go through puberty, you're very attractive virginity to comedian. And then. And then it was I just like every. And I got a reputation for fucking comics that I in my defense women are attracted to smart funny. You know, all those things like, you know, I wanted peers not just peers, but people who are who are whole areas to me that was what was attractive to me, and it's unfair to say, well, she fucked comics, and he will he just fucked waitresses, I wasn't drawn to fucking waiters was drawn to fucking brilliant. You know, people that you know, and and guys in general were fine. Fucking waitresses. This is not to put on waitresses. I've been waitress it used broad strokes. They could fuck every waitress in every town on the road and not get rid Dacian hall. And I was in like people who I adore, and like are, you know, they're still in my life because their comics. But like it wasn't anyone? I wasn't fucking more people than the guys know anyone you would've fought they would have said she only does blank. It's the difference between male and female sexuality. It's like guys get to do whatever I didn't have a guilt around my sexuality until I was told to select to me, I was like I remember I kept knock seem on my backpack. So that I can wash my face forever. I wound up. Like, I was like what is ball's? Look like what is ball's look, and it didn't seem to me to be. I wasn't getting a favors in exchange. I everything I got from my own merit. I remember even no one's going to buy a ticket to see you perform because you fuck someone. They love is a comic. That's not really at work. So the calculus fuck your way to the top and comedy funny. But have you ever like kinda drill down into that a little bit? Which is you know, for I have female friend who's a comic. She's very funny and she likes this guy. And she was saying, but he, but he's not funny. I don't know like I can be with someone who's not funny. And I said, well, walk me through that like your frayed, you're going to go to a party, and he'll be boring, and that will kind of embarrassing you like your wife is funny like that's part of what you're attracted to. But I'm dead honest about what is happening for me in my own ego, which is. As I sit and I said to her and I'd say it to myself. Are you sure that you're bothered? He's not funny because he's not going to entertain it as much as you want the approval of someone who's also very very funny and smart that the only way that it'll feel good is that the the approvals coming from somebody that you respect and admire. Yeah. I when I think of practice attraction, but that's bullshit. There's layers going on of attraction that are your ego beans filled, right? I would say for me looking for a man he doesn't. I would like it. If he was funny if he's not funny. That's fine. But he has to know that he is not funny. I try to be very much not attractive to someone who thinks he's funny and is not funny. Yes. That is. That is a rough. Yeah. Would not date in my father. I got my sense of humor from him. And he would display everywhere we went together, and it was quite cute in rough for me at times. But. Stay tuned. For more armchair expert. If you dare we are supported by vital farms. I'm so proud to have them as a partner there, so ethically harvested and now vital farms is in the butter game. Monica. I love butter butter. So good. I slathered on everything. I think Kristen just posted some pictures of me just pounding gluten free crackers covered in vital arms butter. Listen, just like their eggs, which are pasteurize. So are there cows that produce the butter most cows live indoors on cement floors. 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This is dead shrew. Like, you're you're crazy funny. I I'm a fan of your comedy, but you're super pretty and so I can't stop kind of being aware of that in. I think I've always in some way wanted some validation from you that that extended beyond just you being funny, and I have to imagine many of the people around you have had a similar thing. And is that exhausting. Are you even aware of it? You don't need to be aware of it that some you. I would imagine just wanna be valuated on being funny. But there's this sexual component. I would say that right now in my life. I I love being objectified. It's it's thrilling at this point. I mean, Natasha Geraud whose brilliant lover every time I would see her. I just the she does something to me aesthetically that I just my face hurts from smile. Aisling when I just see her, and I look at what she's wearing. And she just is. And I would just always like I just want to eat you like a piece of candy like, I just I can't even take it and one point because you know, I'm more than that. That such a given him such a fan. But she also is just so aesthetically like. Just she just does something to me chemically. Yeah. She feels so good on my eyeballs. I completely of course. I understood when she was like, I'm comedian. I'm an into and it was just. And it was just need to me. Because of course, don't reduce me. Just but it is true. It's like women are just fucking demonized. If they lose their lugs in any way, or if they if if they try to do something to their face to try to make them look asshole. So there's there's it's like lose-lose just by not dying that punished by not dying and continuing to live in that. You're my faces. I like the way I look, but I mean, it's it's point dear it's my skin is looser. My eyes are closing a little I could feel like the my face falling off my face a little bit. And I'm trying to embrace it. I mean, it's it's really fascinating. It's a very slow moving horror movie. But I do think that it could have happy ending because sometimes I go, I'm not young. Hot. I don't know that that's not my power anymore. But different kind of power, you know. But here's my point is if I was talking to George Carlin, if he was here, I would have a million questions about his comedy. I would never make him walk down a path where I talk about his looks. But I am so drawn to talk about your looks. And I have to magin, that's nauseating. I also imagine I need to not deal that I'm sense. Okay. Sense. That it doesn't seem like it bothers you. So remember being on Jimmy show? And and you know, I I love Jimmy. As a football shirt or baseball. Shirley is my thing at the time. You know, like, and he goes, oh, you always wear a football shirt or something? And I and I remember thinking, and I maybe I said this. But I just said you, you know, you know, what? Seinfeld Lewis wears a button down on the show, you're going to white where a button down. You'll always have a button down. Just fucking what I'm wearing. Yeah. Like, I can't imagine a guy like every time Adam Cruellas on your show. He wears a maroon button down with a black blazer. You never mentioned that you don't point that out. Yeah. I guess Jay leno's down on his show a lot. But yeah, he's always in denim on denim. Oh, look Denham. So it hasn't do you think being pretty though? Stop talking about it. But I'm gonna keep talking about it. I'm trying to own it and work through it. And I'm trying to understand why do it in and just call myself out on it. But I saw this at the groundlings when I was going through the groundlings I found that the girls are women that were really attractive weirdly had a harder time. Now that you're ever gonna feel bad for those people. But I think it elicited some jealousy with the other female cast members. I think people that were watching the audience warrant accustomed to seeing someone pretty be very funny. Like, I think there were just weird. Hurdles that I noticed that. I thought oh, that's so weird. I never thought I'd be sympathetic to someone who's really attractive, but in comedy, it's can be dicey. I think what makes people funny is. A survival skill that they developed in childhood so alive times. It was the fat kid making the fat jokes before anyone else could or the ugly. You know, whatever ugly, you know, whatever. And so for me, I would say I was very hairy very hirsute. You know, especially you know, I was in a very blonde. Strawberry blonde world. Yeah. And I was teased for that. I was a bed wetter and sent to sleep away camp every summer, and so I had a healthy amount of adversity. To to to make me, very funny. Right. But there's all it isn't what you're looks are not always eared versity. I think maybe growing up a glee as you did. Yeah. But like. And go like, you're good looking white guy. Oh, it's so hard for you everybody. There's there's there's always going to be someone who has it harder. And always going to be someone who has it not as heart. You know? I mean, people are used to what they are used to. And when they see something that is not what is from their Rolodex of what they know. It's going to be harder for them to believe that is not on a woman who looks certain ways way too. That's not their problem. But I will say a lot of times, you know, you might hear a white male. Writer for me. I'll say comedy row white male comedy writer who says I can't even get a job anymore. I can't get a job because I'm a white man to that. I say sure you can you just have to be undeniable like everybody else besides. Right. Right. Right. Indispensable. And and and undeniable, and and I believe in you. I think you can do that. But men don't take that extra. They don't go not men men, but some men hashtag Nuttal meant so men go. Oh, it's harder for me. Now that's not fair. And they don't take that extra step and go, oh, this is how it's been for everybody else. And it's like, I don't even think it's at the point where it's like everybody else. We're don't even there. Yeah. Not not even close. I only ask able to take it. One more step to see take it beyond their own selves. And completing a couple of different topics actually because I will say that I've been told by other comedians, I admire like, hey, dude, you can't be in good shape. Like, that's not what a comedian is in good shape. Which is a weird. There's a weird bracket. Black comedians can be in great shape. Like Eddie Murphy was a sex symbol, and he dress cool in a leather suit. And he can do that white guys aren't supposed to do that. It's very interesting fascinated with say wave your whole thing is your rock-hard Avs it not wildly funny. Running Murphy wasn't lifting shirt showing his ads on his poster for his comedy special. He wasn't there are some people who do that. And I find it. And I think they're funny in its, but there's something heartbreaking about it. Because. It isn't. You know, I remember seeing and this is. A comedian say medians headshot and has headshot was to whatever. Fancy cars. Are. I don't know anything about cars Maserati. Harari park like this. And then his foot up on one. And that's just not what comedy is you. It's an underdog thing, and it isn't cool to like stuff. I mean, that's another thing that I'm lucky about him. Never understood it. I don't I don't know. What? Like, what special Ed diamonds that other people can't have them? You know, like, I just. You don't like I just. Never understood fancy cars or expensive or things as never been anything that. I've luckily for me pinned my worth on if anything the op, I mean, I just I would be so embarrassed to drive a a schmancy car have stuff. I don't have storage in my apartment. So it's like, I can't even have stuff. I can't can't fit it on a shelf. I it goes all by think that probably just speaks to you having found a lot of film invalidation in attention through doing something else. I'm not into stuff. Well, okay. Yes. But what I'm saying is I can be mildly sympathetic when I see the guy in front of Jerry's deli. And he's in a lamb regaining. He's making a real meal out of getting into this car. He's been there for fucking eight minutes, and I'm trying right at first this douche, I hate this guy would lose her, blah, blah. And then go, you know, this guy. Probably isn't funny. He can't dance. Can't write wheelies on a motorcycle. And he wants what I want. And I'm no better. He just doesn't have the tolls. Way of validation is somewhere the fucking valley at Jerry's deli. I find it repugnant. But I I'm also sympathetic. All we're all want the same things love. Yes. We all want to same thing. We want like approval in love and people to be attracted to us, not even meaning romantically drawn to us, and we're all trying all these various techniques and some of them are really egg on the face. I find the, you know, the purple amburgey needs to be a bummer, but but I feel terrible expensive car than girls. Will I'm rich. And then the like me, and then I go why are those the girls you want? Yeah. Welder better than no girls. I think that it's hot that bid twats or nothing or better than your own many more women than men men have. The worst man can find. I mean like that is true. It's my mom's finding herself in that situation that she's even ready to date, but her husband died six months ago, and I've been talking to her a lot about it. And she's like, you know, that's let's just be honest. I'm sixty eight and if I want to catch someone who's like intellectually stimulating and a good time. I gotta shop in eight year old because anyone mij- guy who's intelligent and funny. He's going to be able to fifty year old woman. That's just the fucking facts on planet earth. Yeah. I don't like this dynamic. There are a handful of men who want to be with appear like there are hand. All right. So I have friends that are like you could totally date a younger guy. Thank you. Compliment. But I'm just not interested. I, you know, I'm so lucky that I could be loved by someone in their thirties. Yes. But really on be with someone my age. I wanna be with someone who knows the aches and pains and perspective of being in your forties. Well into your forties. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you're you're but like so that means I have to be with a sixty year old. I think. I like having you here so much. I don't know. I don't not this did not go the direction. I thought it would go. Direction. Did you think I thought we would talk more about comedy and work? But I'm always I'm always oh interested in that. I'm super interested in why we all do the things we do. The things you're talking about are things that aren't my doing. You're right. I'm talking about Seidel things sections of me of which I haven't confu, right? E don't have to do with me. But one of the things as do with you that I wanted to ask you about because you and you brought it up a couple of times. So it's not totally graceless segue. But you pee the bed Khan. And then even after you got fired from SNL, you UP the bed like three times in a week. It was that a bit or real. Right three. I peed the bed three times with three different men in the bed. One was a friend his bed. Two were levers Ribes. I've I've opened up in a wet bet a couple times both of us had blacked out. And I don't know who did it we kind of blame each other. But regardless even when I thought it was her I didn't really care wasn't that big of a deal that was your experience. My friend Dave wrath who I was staying with him while I was out here in LA, and we're very good friends. And and if he didn't hook up with someone that I would sleep in bed with him couches that was the deal is fine. And that night we went to a party into really late, and I slept in his bed with them. And I woke up at like four in the morning. I had I couldn't believe it. I'd beat in his evacuation and my heart, and I it just took me right back to being a kid Shane. I just thought if I don't tell him right now, I'm gonna. It will be bad. So I just like him to Dave appeared in your bed. And he just went to put a toll down. Now having kids who occasionally you're just so tired in the middle of the thing. You're like I don't care just throw towels down to a couple more blanket while ruin anything just to get me back to sleep. And then we'll fuck into it in the morning, but you've been through therapy. Is there a known thing for pain the bed is like a predictable outcome for some stager wrestling with the do, you know that I don't know what it was? It was just who knows may, you know, seem like some kind of regressive. I don't know. But but in terms of like being a bed wetter as a kid where the baby of the family, right? You're the guest I was a baby. But my dad was a bed wetter and my oldest sister. So maybe you're just like genetically like your little we all were little until like late growth spurt? And then we're like, you know, I'm fairly tall. And you know, I'm I'm not small and I've got big boobs. But I was totally flat chested, and I didn't I like how to just one summer growth spurt really late. I just like, you know, doing my OCD. Yeah. Okay. Did you ever have? No, I'm familiar with. So I did the I I had crazy OCD as a kid, and I had all these like fucking routines. I had to do everything to be done twice. And it was maddening right for a long stretch. And then I was taught ran into someone in actor. And she was telling me that she pulls her eyelashes out. Right. Which is that it was is an OCD thing and said, oh, yeah. I had a CD when I was a kid or whatever you wanna call it. And she goes, we'll, you know, obviously, why you have OCD, and I'm like, no, why do I have OCD? And she goes, oh, well, you pick these weird things that you can control because you're in an environment. You feel very out of control, and then I just kind of went backwards. And I was like oh by God. I started doing all that stuff. The moment. This one step dad showed up in my life. And then that just kind of ran until he disappeared. And I was like oh my God. It's that simple. Like, it was really that's what it was. And I think so many of these things I read I don't know that this is aiding disorders. They're all control issues. They're all like, I think that's what people become cops because they have no control in their lives. One hundred percent in people. There's literature asthma being away that kids can control their environment. There's a lot of research about it being psychosomatic in a way for you to take a little margin of control over your life. And I think so many of these things we all have right? There's all these different outcomes to some very basic stuff that happens to us. One. I'm noticing as an adult in our age were at is. I have an autoimmune disease. Sorry edit arthritis. I have friends who have got I have friends who have this who have that to me. It's like, oh, we're all allergic to some of the food. We eat and it can take a billion shapes. Mine happens to be sorry arthritis for this person's rose Asia for this person that but I think at the core of it all we're probably just eating some stuff were allergic to and that's the outcome and similarly in childhood, it's like you can have any number of things that are a result of maybe not feeling in control on any level. Yeah. And I was just wondering if like bed wedding was somehow decision you were going to fuck and make whether anyone likes it or not. I have I've been told different things because it's it's also muddy and like one thing I remember being told us that I I stopped winning the bed at normal age in started again when my parents got divorced. But then I asked my dad insister recently. And they said, no, I think you always were. But it's just it's just muddy. I'm not really sure. But I mean, God, I I wish more than anything. I wouldn't with the, but, but of course, that's not part of it. Yeah. It certainly suspicious is not like well who knows maybe at a physical component. Maybe there's a valve in there. That's you got from your dad who knows? But I think it's definitely curious if there was a spell after divorce, and then there was a spell after getting fired. I mean hereditary things can be hereditary that aren't just physical, right? Yeah. My dad was of chronic bed wetter in his dad beat the shit out of him every day. And you know, so maybe that's connected. I don't know. And you know, I have we there's talking about miss a phony a-. Phone that. I have that you do head it since early teens, and it gets worse and worse and worse and worse, and it's fucking real. And have you done a Twenty-three me tests DNA tests, you did it. Well, I did that finding a roots show. So you have to do ancestry dot com. But I don't think this progressing very rapidly as they get more and more people submitting their learning things really quickly, but one of them now when you do say you had done it when Monica and I did it like a few months ago. It'll tell you if you have the genetic marker for me, so phony like, they know whether you have it or not from your DNA. They they know if I have wet they told me I have wet earwax. Monica has dry year way. Right. Like, you can like, you know, if you wetter dry earwax in there, it's all been pretty accurate in Monaco trying to to jealous. She is elite muscle mass bag elite athlete muscle mass. Wow. Put it to us. Well, it's probably just as well. You get more injuries. I thought I'm so fucked up my back and chill at my knees. And it's just I'm in training just to live the rest of my life comfortably and I like playing sports and stuff. But I was like this is so unfair. I was an athlete all growing up in the guy was like, oh, yeah. That's why I want to hear more a little just a tiny that more about me Savona. Like, what do you get triggered by? Now. What I've definitely learned is because some people people some people will be like crunching in front of me and go home it good. I'm sorry. I'm you know, and I go, oh, no, it bother me at all. But it's if I if I have any stress in my body at all it gets triggered. And if I hear someone wrestling with the Fritos rapper or I mean, God, I will just say the idea of someone eating an apple in a quiet car. The thing I can live in my life. How do you feel about like some chewing gigantic piece of gum terrible. Now. I end this is just like my dad. It's crazy. I secretly to gum. I choose gum in my car. And sometimes I'll wake up in the middle night and just sit up in bed and chew gum book maniacally. Yes. Yeah. But there's some people that chew gum like the way. I chew gum. And it's not, you know, it's their mouth is closed. And it's not like, but if there's. Five any control like on a show or something? There's no gum onset because Jeff sound people more than anyone, I know chump gum. Yeah. And you know, if someone's in my line, or this, I don't even notice I'm never never bothered by that if someone of the corner, my is chomping gum. I can't remember a line a single thing about to say because I'm my brain. I get paper focused leave get paralyzed. And then I have to contend with a rage. I can't control a rage in my body that I desperately plead with and go this is just a person eating their mind breath, the smell nine, you know. You know, but mostly what I do is. I just immediately take myself out of this situation. I don't wanna make anyone feel bad. But if I'm in a situation where I am stuck like if a makeup lady at a job is chomping gum. I'll have to say something. And I just say this is me, I have a fucking weird thing. And it's not you, and I can only just ask if you would not choose them around me. Fucked up hate having to say that awful cylinders in. Luckily, oftentimes people understand and they go. Oh god. Sorry, totally you know. But it is. It's so scary. Because I know it's me in. It's not them, you know, and I can only just hope that they they'll be kind even if they don't understand it. If you don't understand something personally, it's very hard for people to have any kind, of empathy sympathy. So it's and it's so weird and bizarre. It's no it's a clicking pen kiss. Someone's clicking a pen. Click. Click click click click click. I mean, I it's go out of my fucking mind. I want more than any hewing ice in feels like an assault. I want so bad to put you in a room and cough. And I want send Kristen in with a pack. Kristen is chewed gum in front of me. He is the worst the worst ten there's something about her so aggressive, but it doesn't bother me. I what. Now, I suppose if I had stress in my body, it would be bad, and I would have to say something because like she's Kristen bell. Because there have been people that I, you know, I'm horrified that I because I can't take myself in this situation. I mean, I watched the shape of water. Did you see that movie? Did. Yeah. It's lovely movie. A beautiful fairy. Michael Shannon's character eats these hard. I loved Tate. I loved that. It was full blown panic deck for me because I was watching it with a group of people I had to block my ears close my eyes, and because he really he'd let Kwang lays in bed. Teeth and stuff tight really like oh my God. I'm Brad Pitt who I really love is an actor attractive. This thinking about him he eats in every movie, and I have to I have to block my ears and close my eyes real tight end just to kiss take myself to another place ocean's eleven. That's where eight in every scene famous. I can't I can loud. I don't have. I don't have me so phony, but occasionally I'll be with Kristen. And I honestly if I turn to the right in Clydesdale horse was chewing, a full pack hubba. I wouldn't be surprised. That's how it is out of control really, really. You haven't notice shocked? It's very aggressive. And there's a part of me in my miss a phony ah that would look at that think. That's so fucking rude. Not all her intention. She's just to in gum. You know that she's coming from great place, and she'd stop if you're bad definitely has it because growing up we would chew gum, and he would say only has to go. They know it's because Diddy elaborate elaborate now he just would shame us into spitting out our gum. But it was be. I know is because now I know he had miss it starts in your teens to in it. And for me, it was hearing my stepfather who is the kindest most wonderful man, you could ever meet John O'Hara? I could hear his saliva mixing his food in his mouth. And that was it taking hold of me. It wasn't him. He was eating right. But it would I just every night would eat dinner in my room because I couldn't bear could you ever with relationships like for at dinner with? Yeah. We'll because I've had boyfriends who just say you are being rude. And you're just deciding to are you have you'd aren't you know, you're making yourself feel. The he just believed I won't making it up. And then like, I've had friends who really understand. And no like I'm gonna you know, what I'm gonna eat the cereal in the kitchen. That's awful. I gotta be honest before we saw that. There was a genetic marker for it thought his horse shit myself. I really I thought oh, you know. You're just crazy intolerant of other tolerant. That's what he said. Oh, I know who said that do you exercise regularly? Yeah. And how much of that is for mental because back back back to like people telling me you're too in shape to be comic. Well, I'm like also say don't get mentally healthy. That's my point. Which is like, ultimately, I have to be me whether or not that fits into some box me, mentally I have to work out or I will be on antidepressants. It's that simple. I need to do X amount of exercise a week or I will need to be on antidepressant. So there's no option I'm going to I could eat really shitty too. But I don't wanna live in shape and be funny. They just they're saying don't oil up your ass out. Well, I've done it in the movie. So I guess they had a point also the older get I am I'm okay with people disagreeing to my route. Right. Isn't that kind of like one of the nice winter who serious said this as to be a fan numb not? And then and would go like, yeah. I'm definitely going to disappoint you. If you're looking for me to say, everything you agree with? Yes. I had the pleasure of performing with you a couple times at Largo in my brief run at doing stand up one of the time one of the. Said she did there was explaining that you had done a bit at a Ted conference and that they're a tedtalk. And that there was all this fallout over it. And then what you had come to realize in the end is that if you were to apologize for this routine? You did you've actually just be apologizing to advocates not the people themselves during this. Oh, yes. Yeah. Well, there's another example this too were. I don't remember that as a bit on this program. We had mentally challenged people on the show, and they didn't wanna let us do that. And I said, your your not letting us talk about people who exist in the world and have an have them in this because this is comedy in. It's an art form that you don't think can reflect the world, but it more than any. Anything reflects the world's when I heard that. I found that to be weirdly liberating. That's right. Oh, so when we were going to have we and we did we had some mentally challenged people on the show. And but yeah, it's just you're you're not responding to. You're not worried about mentally challenged people worried about their advocates my an as as someone who believes I am an advocate. I think they should be reflected in art. They because it means they exist, and they exist and they're beautiful. Yeah. It's weird. Yeah. The the alternative is like just I guess ignore that they're even here. I'm regularly defending the notion of the whack pack to people because I'm like, okay. Let's is really look at this. So here's a weird mix of people. Some some of them are addicts one guys at drunk. Some of them are mentally challenged. Someone has a speech impediment, blah, blah. You don't like them being used? On the show because you think they're being made fun of. And then my argument is okay. I'm looking at all their lives in they have this purpose. They're famous like we wanted to be famous. They have this whole life in world. They should be what their characters in this play. They want to be a character in this play. And they're having all this fun. As a result of it. I'm not seeing how excluding them from. That would be kinder. Yeah. I hear you're saying I waver. I I'm I'm I don't have a definitive take on it. I it. Eliza bothered me calling windy the retar. Yes, I do like how our where it has changed with the times. It all the time. And he would never say that today, and it's not because it's socially unacceptable. It's because he fundamentally changed. He would I don't think he would have any desire to say that word anymore. And and I, you know, I think it's interesting that he's willing to air old episodes where he says that because I think that's he's exposing something he's not a racing it from history, and it really has a whole new meaning it's uglier. It's they and I like the changes like, Eric the midget became Eric the actor. You know? And and Wendy, the slow adult, you know, and as long as he grows and changes. And and let's show reflect that I think it's interesting will the very last thing I want to talk to you about is. We're in a really unique phase where everything we've done is pretty much accessible at all times. Now, you know, if you were Harlan, you couldn't just go see a set of his couldn't bring it up on YouTube. You know, there was like a certain. I can't explain it. But he was free to live in a certain time period. And then he was free to evolve in the news free to be evaluated on that day about that thing. And you wanna just kinda bring something back and shove it in his face. But we now are in that reality, and we're comedians and to your point about Howard. We're evolving all the time. I used to cringe about right? I want. I mean. Good grief. And what's interesting is like you're kind of job is to take it to the very edge. That's really your job. And see if you can stay just barely inside the boundary of that. And your particular brand of comedy is I understood it was your speaking kindly, and then you're saying horrific things and that in itself is the bit is that it's coming at you. It's like, yeah. Of flour. That's got shit smell to it. It's like, that's the premise. So sweet. Mutable flower that smells like shit formula to what I was doing in the beginning. And it certainly was a character where I I would say the opposite of how I really felt and that was the comedy the contrast of how it was represented in what in the explicitness that of how is presented. And then my hope was that the teas a math term, the absolute value transcended because you only feel safe laughing at something fucked up is if you know, if you feel like that person going back to what we were talking about a dice. Yeah. Has good intentions. Yeah. I also there was an arrogant ignorant character. And that was then when I did the ceremony program was that was all what that was. And then I found I had a real identity crisis after my first special because I go, oh, who am I am. I'm this. I do this thing. And the whole thing about it was the element of surprise. But so if I do that thing that people like about me there is no surprise. It's what they're expecting. And then like I got so caught up in worrying about what others want to see. And it took me realizing that comedy dies in the second guessing. And you just gotta keep evolving. Do you lose fans you have to be willing to lose fans you have to be willing to bomb because otherwise you're not writing new shit or or reflecting who you are now. But there's stuff that I did. That I'm ashamed of now not just because it's not no longer accepted. But because I now have more information, and I like being changed by new information. And I thought I was so woke I grew up in white New Hampshire with bleeding heart liberal parents. And I knew that racism existed. And that it was something that I could only understand that. I don't understand. But that's as far as it went. And so because I I I do see the fucked up liberal bubble -ness of of stuff that I did in when I started out because it was all based on. I know this is wrong. So I can say it, right and. But it didn't ever occur to me. Because of my only experience I had to see the world through as my own white experience that that could hurt people, and I'm really have no interest in that. And I also believe I can make people laugh without now. You can't make please everybody. Certainly there are things that cut people. I wasn't that. I was ignorant to Joe we'll there's there's party your brain. Right. Who's going? No. That is the joke that this is a vile thing about racism. I'm just looming aiding racism, like my favorite thing that you're my favorite joke of yours in that period. Was. My ex boyfriend who's half black. Guys. Just listening to how I say that I'm so negative. He's halfway fucked it out because you have to say. You know, I it was something there had to be something that was negative that wasn't that. So it was something like oh fuck in fucked up this whole relationship with this way friend I with my boyfriend who's half black. And then I say, oh, I'm being so negative. He's half white. Remember that makes negative in some other way. So there's so many ways to look at that. So obviously, your making me of airy obvious joke of why that would be vile to say that's the joke in and of itself. But then also now this perspective of mine is only a few years old, which is like, oh, but that's not to say that if you're black and you're listening to that that you're not like, yeah. I get the joke. It's still be aware of people who truly see yet. It'd be white. Yes. And they may go, right? I get it. It's true. But it's not funny. And it's this or that and also probably which is becoming more obvious to us all now is even if that's a joke that should be made. Not by you. That's that's now I think in my own experience. I'm starting to own the fact that I've made a lot of jokes that it wasn't. Although the Joe I would end up defending the logic of the joke and never really now's a well. I'm not the person to say that because the whole thing about him. I remember hearing about like I mean does Chris about this Chris rock when he had his showing HBO he hired a lot of racist. Boston, white guys. They're racist jokes out of his mouth or are fucking hilarious in have and work in. Yes. In a new in totally different way. And he was brilliant enough to see that in also not he knew these guys comics are all one thing, you know, alternately. Yes. But it is kind of you know, they were actually racist. But just like that to take those ideas of race and put it through his filter had a whole different. Meaning that was brilliant. Yeah. I mean, the last roast I did years ago. I remember I had to write jokes for a museum. And like I said like f- like I I want to. I wanna hurt his feelings. I don't know why. And I remember just saying like, I'm just gonna do racist Indian jokes because then it's let's in a roast. I would rather have someone do I'm a cheap ju joke because it's all and it's just about writing shitty Roasti jokes about that. Then, you know, like something that would ring true yet tear, you know, about my looks or personality, whatever. So I mean in a way I was like that was me saying like, I'm I'm just gonna for writer for wrong. I mean, it's stupid. And I heard you mention something about the roast that you noticed that where the roast is sex is that the burns on you were all of a sudden all about AJ funding because I was the one backstage going you guys jokes. Are you know, we're going to talk about each other? We love each other nothing personal like a lot. Of the guy a lot of them were had not done roast before. Whereas like Natasha, and I had both done roasts. And of course, like Jefferson, and I of course, was laughing. But like, and I think all of us, I think when you do a roast you spend a couple of days in bed afterwards to try to remember yourself self worth. But I was completely one-sided by I'm old jokes because even on the day. By the guys who wrote a lot of these jokes like sixty year olds. But it it, and I defend everyone's right to say them with my life because I was fucking brutal. I mean, that's what a roast is. But the truth was I did feel hurt. I defend it completely. I would you know. So it's hard to express myself without sounding like a victim because I was a part of it. And I was brutal to you. Yeah. I was just surprised it was prepared for I'm hairy. I'm jewish. I'm a whore. Yeah. And I wasn't prepared for that. And it was like a new world new chapter for may my God, I'm getting the BEA Arthur jokes. Word year old. I was lose a bunch of weird ways that this job will force you to confront your age in as an actor. That thing that starts happening means like I realize, oh, I'm getting I l notice I'm getting cast as a husband. I guess I'm old enough that I would be married then all I'm getting cast that I'd have children now, oh announcing no children getting cast their older yet and the job forces you to acknowledge your actual station in life weirdly. And yet like that thing could like as you say invite you into a new chapter like oh God, I'm now here. That's that's something to think about the thing with roses. Like you. I think the people don't want to do it. It's awesome. It's not for me. I don't want to feel shitty about myself. I need a million steps in a day to not feel shitty. That the voice inside. My head's doing a good enough job to make me feel shitty. I don't need help from anyone. And then I also feel like there's this little element of like Roman Coliseum where it's like someone was smart enough to put us all together in the just savage each other for the collective amusement. It's like someone's above all of it. Like just the thing about a roast was always that. It was a group of best friends. Yes. And it just is not that anymore, and you know, my friend, Brian Moses created a show called roast battle. That is actually putting comedians who aren't necessarily famous at all. But who are working Connex who are our friends? Yes. Xs or are dating or our best friends or and it's. Totally different in at the end of each one. They hug and you see when one slams the other the other one will like genuinely laugh, and the jokes are so specific like your day, mom Ellen. They no, yes. And there's something much more beautiful about it. Like, these are people that love each other who share this craft and are brutal to each other. But they you really see that. There is no love lost. It's different. It's kind of the Y loving made fun of by Kristen yet. She you it you makes you feel known and it makes you feel loved. I mean love being teased by people. I know love me. Yes. In Monica teases me a lot. And I always enjoy that nineteen her line. She does a little bit less. Guard for me because it is right. Yeah. It is. It is because the same thing like what you are saying about the age joke. Like, you never know when something's gonna feel personal like, they probably they very well could have felt like oh ages. Everyone ages that's normal that right across the board. That's nothing purse. I feel very confident that none of the men that made those jokes have any ill will towards no. But you just never know when something's gonna do that feel like look, here's what would trigger me in a big way. If a stranger makes a joke about me. My assumption has to be everyone in the world thinks about me. That's why it's funny, right? This person doesn't even know me. But this thing is so obviously embarrassing about me that everyone's thinking, and now I gotta go home with this like handbag of new fears that everyone thinks about me, I don't want that new handbag of fears like here, it's actually the stranger -ness of it that makes it feel so scary like, oh, that's what everyone's because everyone laugh, so must rang true. I guess all these things right? And I guess that's also why some people can get away with certain jokes and other people can't it's because a truth transcends. And if it's that you're doing it with love is very different than if you're doing. It with fear or hatred or any kind of actual aggression or negative feeling, you know, but it's also in this kind of circles back to like never recognizing when you've entered a position of power status over someone else. It's hard to be aware of that. For me years. It's Kristen going. You have to understand when yours delivering your opinion. You're six foot three white, dude. Like, it is just visually scarier you need to counter act that by being even more soft than. Yes. Like, I'm going. Well, no. I'm speaking like everyone else, and she's like, yeah. But you're speaking above them like everyone else. So sorry for you. You're gonna have to like come under that to make it equal, and I'm more and more recognizing like, I am a fuck in super titled tall, white guy with blond hair. And I me saying something mean isn't as pleasurable as watching George Carlin who was schlumpy in balding say something attacking the power structure, you know, as much as I wanted just be whatever comedian, I wanna be that day. I have a certain box that came with a ton of privilege and opportunities. And then there's some things I can't do not my place there, certainly people. And maybe they fall into that aesthetic near explaining coup are stunned by. That because they don't are stunned by the notion of that they may hurt someone or have hurt someone because they don't feel powerful. And so when. Even abuse. And this isn't me having compassion for that. But just wanting to understand it when people are abusive, it's because it's not because they feel powerful right because they feel power less. Yeah. And even if you are a person of power her abused power a lot of times. It's it's not because you think it's because you feel powerful it will it's the same with bullies like as much as I wanna hate bullies in round them up. Let me tell you. They're getting Grassley kicked by dad at home in. So I can't expect people to have compassion for those people. But you know, I had a guy on my show Christian peach cellini who has a Nazi he was in Neo Nazi? I read his book credible and he from fourteen and until he was like one of the heads of a Nazi northern hammers or something. And and he said I said what advice if you're gonna give us holid- face. And he said find someone who does not deserve your compassion and give it to them because that's what happened to me. And I think about it all the time because I think if I met Christian peach Leany before he changed would I have compassion for him. And you know, I'm not judging myself. Yes, or no. And I'm certainly not telling other people have compassion for alleys scumbags, hatemonger, whatever. But. They got that way. For a reason reason as sad it, you know, they're they're grownups and they responsible for what they do. But I do think that change comes more from compassion than from. You know, meeting with equal violence in anger twenty just have screaming matches and people just hating, and they're no one's gonna change their mind. You're not going to change anyone's mind. Totally agree. I being condescend to them and telling them they're stupid. And here's why this fact in this poll number, and you might be totally right. But it makes their porcupine needles. Go up, and you can't take in. You can't be changed. When you're in defensive mood when you're protecting yourself Clinton agree with you more in these things are there either in one of two states things are either in a de-escalation state or an escalation state, this is really the only two options. So it's like you have to imagine in my escalating this thing or am ideas. Galatian it and. That pick Alina guy always lies name chill, chilling, peach Leany, I felt. Weirdly was like I had like a moral conundrum about reading that book. I thought. This guy has a great message. Ultimately because I read the book, and then I was like do I tweet about this book? And I thought I feel very weird about giving someone some kind of capital or money based on having been a shithead. You know what I'm saying? I was like there's something about this. Which is unique. Because if the guy was just let's say someone wrote a book about used to be a rapist and I- raped all these people. And now, I'm not a rapist. It would it would feel weird. Well, they give that person a platform called out before he changed. We would think of him very differently than if he then how he came into the elephants relevance for having changed. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it is it's true. There's something to being changed on your own not because the world has turned on you. And you're losing work or something hundred percent. And I ended up like loving the book and everything, but I just remember going. I. I just feel a little there's a little I need to think this through weirdly, I've done things that I'm very ashamed of in in comedy. Just you know that looking back. I it was so ignorant, and whether whatever the intentions were. But I also know I can't especially in this world array set, right? All I can do is be changed by it and spend the rest of my life making it right in any way that I can. And I see that. That's that's something I learned from Christian. You know, like he spends his life trying to get people out of hate group. Yes. And so, you know, it's not a punishment. It's a choice that you want to make this right? This thing that you've that you feel complicit him. And I think that I'm very moved by someone who can be changed. I was raised a bleeding heart liberal. And now, I am one who. If I was raised differently. I would have the strength to become something else. I I'd like to think that, but in that's, and that's I said it in a special like that's how I see myself in people protesting at a, you know, outside an abortion clinic. This is how they've been raised. This is everything they know to be true. And they want you to feel that way too. Because they're passionate about the thing. Again. I'm more interested in trying to make Dax better than everyone else in. There's so many opportunities right now, and I'm kicking and screaming on some of them. Like, I have I have provocative metoo thoughts at times, I have provocative. I still think racist hysterical. I still love those jokes. You know? There's a ton of stuff that I'm having a hard time. But I did have this little mile breakthrough. Monica, and I were watching this documentary called white, right? And this English-born, but Pakistani ethnically woman. Comes in interviews all these white nationalists. It's a great deca maritime that flex and what I found was. I was so I it was so easy for me to see that these many of them, boys. Young men that are in this movement. Have just never had a friend. These were the first people that were willing to be friends with them the lev is. Yes in acceptance fam- a sense of family, and they were even calling her a friend like on such short schedule like they had not known each other very long, but they would be going like, well, you're my friend. I don't want you to call yourself shit skin. That was like she kept calling herself read tweet them. Yeah. That grew she'd say it again in they're like don't say that yet in in the Oakley. Yeah. In the guy, we we're friends, and I could see in his eyes like he genuinely like, and I was like, oh, he wants a friend so bad, and I just had this moment of kind of identity shattering where I was like, oh my God. This is the power. Of empathy that guy looks like me. So I'm being empathetic in a way to him that I would never be watching an ISIS documentary low like if I was watching ten ISIS dudes talk. My just my level, of empathy is way lower. And that's just my rep Tilly brain has evolved to be empathetic towards people who I most relate to that. Look like me, and I start going like, oh, man, I'm really handcuffed. By my limited, empathy the way everyone's handcuffed by their limited empathy. And that needs to be something. We are taught to counter correct for like NFL, consigns experiment. Like, we have a control very -able. Oh, just be warned. You have limits to empathy. Yeah. We base what we think on what we know. But we also base. What we think on what we don't know. And what we don't know is terrifying. The the Fadh of the unknown going into something that isn't familiar as humans as scary. So what what is brave is? Is living through it and realizing it's well now, I didn't know. And now, I know I've lived through it, and it wasn't. It was scary. And I was okay in even before Monica, and I became really good friends. I would still have maintained like, no accents or funny. You're allowed to do any accent. You want? And knowing Monica knowing what hearing people do that accent makes her feel like I now I don't do it as much as I love doing that accent. Sometimes in the shower when no one can hear he wasn't we found one single moment where we thought it was acceptable. It's acceptable. Alway, no. But but the all that happened is I could still make the intellectual defense of it. But I've now had an emotional connection with the person where I go, however, much pleasure. I get out of doing that accent, however, many people I make laugh knowing how much it hurts a certain person. Now that it's real to me is just been like, I don't need to do it. If you for instance did Indian accent because you have a bunch of Indian friends. Yeah. Yeah. It's different. Then if you do an Indian accent because of the the guy with it on this. Yeah. You've heard that. And then that's what in seven eleven people at seven eleven are Indian, and they talk like this. It's very different than, you know, like a if you're three best friends are Indian, and you will, you know, you know, our sting them. Remember, the one time I thought it was worth dealing was my brother worked at a place for a while where he answered a customer care line in people are so angry at the notion that they're talking to someone in India on customer care. You know, there's a thing where are you people? So my brother to fuck with those people who are basically Zeno phobic. They would go where where are you right now in my brother would say Newark Newark. And he would do an Indian accent. And keep claiming to be in America. Just to piss them off thought was weirdly, full circle funny. But at any rate, it just took me full circle funny. But they're not they're getting their racism is exempt is is what he's turning their own racism on them to punish them to make them suffer. They know the phone being more open to no, certainly not. No, it certainly probably made them more Zena phobic and race. But it's kind of a good bit just to fuck with them at any rate. Best storyteller. You think so said, I you you've told the funniest stories I've ever heard. Oh, yeah. We'll thank you. I remember when I started doing stand up, and I did it in front of you. I was particularly nervous. I'm like, I really hope Sarah doesn't think like why is he fucking doing this? I would never you have a great way of telling a story own my God. Oh, thank you. I'll never forget. The one about Marlon Brando being taken on a tour of the set of all of them, doctor, Dr Moreau. This one oh, always a Munster. Look. He'll always alone, and it was a real actor not in prosthetics or mak- and they had worked together before. And he kept trying to say it, and then Marlin was. Talk. Lose touching his face. So rule. Well, sarah. I I love you. And do you think like, so you're doing your show? I love you America. Well, here's my big announcement cancelled home. Sorry. I haven't said it out loud other than to the people at work with who. Now need to find work. I'm so sorry. Did you enjoy doing it a lot? There's nothing I've ever enjoyed more. This is the first job in my life that I would wake up every morning before my alarm is a group I loved working with it felt like it mattered at it mattered to me, and you know, we own it. So maybe someone will will find a home somewhere. But I I'm yeah, I'm I'm actually super bummed about. I'm always I've always been slightly relieved when other jobs get stuff there's part of me. But this one I'm super bummed about what I was gonna say is what I liked about. That shows I do feel like you. And I although you're I think much more political than I am you're involved. But I do seen us something that I think we share which is it's really easy to get so cemented into this identity of left and right in appears to me that you're always trying to remember at all times that they're a human way before they're a conservative or liberal, and you seem to have the same desire. I do which is. Let's talk. My goodness. Let's just chat for a minute. And let's let's everything's different. It is in just being reminded that ninety eight percent of your day is identical to everyone else's like you wake up. You. Gotta get some cough. You're gonna have to take a shit. You might have to get kids. Ready? Gotta go drive to fuck in some job. You gotta sit in traveling. You look at the actual things that are happening in every person's day in were so similar in yet. We we make a mountain out of these. Let's say you make so much more leeway with someone who has complete different politics than you. There's no reason to talk about politics talk about what you do. You know, like, oh my God you watch Walking Dead metoo. I used to hate Carol. Now, she's my world, you know, it's like that. All you have to do is connect on some level, and then your friends, and then all the other stuff, you know, there's someone who says this this woman Mary cave. Fucking never. Remember name starts. Okay. Make-up's sales lady Mary Kay says. And I know it because Mr. Rogers quoted her, but she said there, isn't anyone you couldn't love once. You've heard their story. I love that. We did all up words. Just like we may be totally different. But everybody loves their family loves their friends and has a embarrassing story involving shitting. Well, the one the one that I always kinda hold up because I'll get going on like, let's all just I start with maybe the way we we connect. And then we can have different opinions and people go. No, it's you got to choose a side. And I get you know, mean tweets about that. I'm not taking a side as much, but I will I will just put up before you, you know, Antony Scalia and Ruth beta Ginsburg, those are best friends went on vacations together. They fucking went in a hot air balloon together like in. You can't say either one of them wasn't the most devout warrior in soldier for their parties in their political ideology in their best best friends in those two people can be best friends. We don't have to be hating one another because we have different opinions. There's two versions of that. I see it one. I see the beauty of it in that the reason why there's so much separation and and bullshit in our own gut. Government is that they don't hang out anymore. There used to be time Democrats or Republicans would go to parties they'd have dinner they play golf. They talk about their children. And it was so different got shit done because of it. Now, they don't do that. I see two sides because then also I went to a party, and I saw Anthony Scaramucci and the moon. Avenue hanging out together. The the the what's our faces lawyer Daniels. All right, right. Right. Right. Yeah. I go. You guys are friends and the. Yeah. Talion stick together. Whatever Jesus This is fucking show business to them pitching show together. Like in some ways, you go. We need them to hang out. We need them to see themselves in each other. Because that's what we need and they represent us and it trickles down. And then another side you go like it's fucking show business them. They don't even fucking care. I'm up like two minds. It all just depends. What I do agree. I listen to this guy on same Harris's, pout casts. And he is making this great point that we've actually transitioned though both parties have transitioned into they are nominating the person they don't hate as opposed to nominating the person they love and that's an infection on both sides. So to be a liberal at this point is to be defined by hating Trump. And I don't think that's the way to define yourself. I think the way to define yourself is by who you love who's policy. Yes. What is the policy you love in your fighting for not all your energies into the policy? You hate in the person who represents that. It just doesn't to me seem ultra productive. I would say that Trump is living rent-free in my mind right to fight that. Yeah. Well, I really adore you. And you know, the times the times have got to hang out we've played scrabble together. And you're quite a good scrabble player, which I always respect in someone. I am magin that well, let me just ask you this really quick SNL. Probably was the most devastating thing that had happened to you at that point. I've read sides like having good a sleep away camp as a bedouin, I guess, right, right, devastating. But then in Rutgers out a window by my ankles as thirteen year old we were seventeen story window. That was scary. Oh, my goodness by several people at by one guy on acid. Oh, yikes. As visiting my sister at college, and he was as ING you. He wouldn't pull me in. I was teeny tiny was thirteen but very small and I went to visit him. Oh, my sister was in class in he'd just he must have been on drugs. Sure. And he held me at a seventeen storey window and. Remember thinking, I'm this is how he wouldn't pull me back in until I screamed enough for him. You know, I was already screaming. We're the worst find at all. Closing. But you can't say that was the most devastating thing in my. But yeah, certainly professionally I remember thinking like in my in show business. Right. In show business being on it. But Odin Kirk kind of publicly gave his two cents on why he thought that happened which I think is really quite accurate, which is the thing that made you not great there as the very thing that makes you great everywhere. Which is you are so specifically Sarah Silverman at all times in that. That point of view is a commodity in has proven to be the commodity that it is in. It's almost a huge blessing that that happened. I'm just thinking in retrospect, these things that have been in my own life. So hurtful took so long to get over for the best things that ever happened to me. Definitely. And do you feel like as you get older? I feel like I now have enough evidence that I never know. What is the best thing for me? And I now realize or I have a faith that I'll always look back on things and go, oh that was supposed to happen. Exactly that way. Because now I'm here, and I love being here you have that kind of comfort or. I have learned in therapy to try to feel like what has happened, and what is happening is for some reason. Essential. Maybe I don't understand it now. But that's kind of like what the the great part of religion is for people's like, well, this was meant to happen. And this is supposed to happen. That seems real nice. You know, like I love you America, getting counseled like I still don't feel like that was meant to be. But then part of me is like I'm shy. It was maybe it's supposed to be somewhere else. Maybe it's supposed to not be anymore. But right, but I just hope you have the perspective, you probably don't 'cause you're inside of it. But I on the outside go. Oh, sir Silverman. Always be fine. You'll always be a hundred percent fine. You'll do nineteen different things before. Now in the end in. They'll all have some significance in some things will lead you to this. And that and I do feel about I've just never really panicked, and I've never planned anything or been like I want to be here. A certain point. It's never occurred to me nothing. That's I mean, that's one thing might therapist said to like have you been able to predict a single thing that's happened in your life. And I was like definitely not. And he goes. Yeah. So why are you worrying about it? Now, we're looking through a pinhole of just what we know though. I put you in a category with Amy Poehler, which is a lot of people myself included at times, you get so naval focus that as you're going up the ladder. You're forgetting to throw your hand back and help people out, and you've always been just the high water Mark of the United both best friends with Steve AG. We love. And you have a group of people that you if you're working there working, and I think that's the most admirable wonderful thing that is easy to overlook as you're focused on what's next in the things you need personally. Right to constantly be remembering no, let's bring everyone. I can along for the ride. I feel like you've done that really. Admirably Hanks, well, you know, friends are they don't grow on trees. No. They don't find a few good ones. You gotta keep them around. I mean, I think a lot of my friends of I'd grown me, Currier wise. And that's that's a good thing. That's not maybe not for me. But i'm. All right. Well, I love you. Thank you so much for coming to making time and sleep over. Only if you promised to pay the bed promise is I wanna be your first positive experience with it. Like when you you yell from your bedroom? The bet I'm gonna come in with symbols celebrating, and I'm going to have confetti poppers guys. And then I'm going to give you five hundred dollars cash. Oh, my. Kristen's gonna throw a cake in my face for your amusement to celebrate. We're gonna put a whole new spin on this for you. Yeah. Have a positive out. Only one way for us to find out. And now my favorite part of the show. The fact check with my soulmate, Monica Padma n-. Oh, boy, let's start out. This fact, check by just seem that when we flew back from Chicago. We were on the airplane with common. We were we were he was a couple rows ahead of us. And when we got off the plane in L A common took the time to remove two or three bags from the overhead for this woman who was sitting next to him. And rob said, you don't see that often. That's very uncommon. Lot. I loved it. Because it happened immediately. While it was happening. You know, that was the kind of thing. I would think of maybe walking down the, you know, the Bill little fucking do Hickey walk down the gangway thought. Oh, I wish I would have said that's on common to see. But he was right. It was right on the heels of even still been happening. Maybe. Yeah. Reminded of it. Because rob just got got me with a joke coming into this. Welcome to the fact check. Yes. Say room this she's special, and when you feel you can't go on you Goeman squeeze me. It's you. What did Sarah say cheating shit, the Brooklyn's? Now, she did great. Paul bloom. You said Paul bloom, said empathy is not useful. I don't know if he said that so explicitly, but he does say he has like a case sort of against empathy and four rational compassion, which he different I might have paraphrased bit too much. Have you may have you may not he might say, it's not it's not helpful to be truly empathetic by the definition of empathy in a situation which calls for you to act because you're gonna you're gonna magin yourself in their shoes. You're gonna get yourself hysterical. Irrational. Yeah. Yeah. And that there's a difference between empathy and compassion for people. Because a lot of sociopaths have a lot about with e score very high on these empathy tests, and that's how they're able to manipulate people. They can feet they know what the other person wants to here. Yeah. Yeah. It is. It's counter intuitive to think that sociopaths are highly pathetic. I know really puts that word to the test. It's just kinda uses a blanket positive. Yeah. I know. Yeah. And it's not necessarily you said, drowned ding. Sara called you out. But I just wanted to say that was a new word or is this a new word. I didn't know that you said a little I hope blobby wa is compiling a list, we can put on the website. We need a new thing for him. Start jotting down. Wabe wab is supposed to he's he's okay at this. Now, I just gave him a lot of love for his uncommon joke. But I'm going to be a little critical and say he's pretty good at writing down. Every time we say a podcast or a documentary or a book that we like he's supposed to be writing that down vigilantly meticulously, and then posting it on the website. So people can go afterwards. Don't have to swerve into another lane trying to rewind don't do that don't do that. Well, wabi while white this stuff down. But I do think that we should add to while wives list. I'm maybe these words Kayla. Gumi glossary attic. Up in the addict. Yes, acrossed. Yes. Attic across with. That just that's not. Yeah. I'm not saying it wrong. It's just saying wrong. Turns out I say, correct. We can't add that to the list we can't now that's gonna be on the list of all the words Ufuk and people say wrong that song list of one embarrassing. No, all the listeners. They're saying sauna. But the list is one word. Yeah. I got right. Sound? Two other words, I say correctly that no one says correctly latte rang, a tan and the enter tall. Those are. That's both the correct ways to say those words. When you said we in biology. Evers biology. We in the sciences. I never said that Neanderthal and Aranka tan are words all never you'll choose to say them in. Yeah. I have words like that. I know what the right way to say. It is. But I think it's gross. And I feel that way about saying certain areas of the country like Missouri is often pronounced a certain way. Yeah. I won't do that. Either. Even though I know that's that's actually the Gillian Flynn. I know she's allowed to from there. You're missouri. I think if you're from there you are in the right? Yeah. Yeah. Even if I was from there pie when in Georgia. Did you guys say Oregon or Oregon, Oregon, Oregon interesting in Michigan every single person in Michigan's as Oregon the Oregon trail, not the Oregon trail the Oregon trail? Yeah. Wasn't to my family moved on Oregon that I was forced to learn to say it correctly. So is Oregon, right? Yeah. Because that's how Oregon's say it. Right. Yeah. May get to decide Oregon's or or or Goni. Organ Morgan organisms or they're called organs. Yeah. Interesting. Tonight told you my no key thing, right Kia. Yeah. I used to say Nokia, right Nokia. Oh, Jesus now laws, but I once was hired fifteen years to go to go to the Sugar Bowl in like be a part of some paid thing from Nokia or Nokia, and I had to say a bunch of times, and I spent hours in my hotel room same because it whatever it was. It was the opposite of what I've always said that they wanna be like the mouthpiece for this company, which is also Swedish. Yeah. Wow in. So I had I practiced more than I've practiced monologues for movies saying Nokia. No, or, but I think it's no Kia. I say doesn't that sound Japanese. Yeah. I would have totally said Japanese. Wow. That's yeah. That's interesting. Maybe the Swedes bought it from the I I don't know. I don't wanna get too in the weeds on it. But so you said imperial dragons is a K K K name, and I started looking into some K K K titles titles. Yes. Positions positions. Correct. And so someone go through some K, right? These are higher level titles. Okay. If grand wizard I feel like that's the most known. Yeah. That's the highest. I what is why feel like an imperial dragon should be higher than a grand wizard. We just got named dragon. Yeah. Imperial dragons are less. Oh, yeah. Wizards are higher than drink. I just have to say how silly the whole thing. Sounds literally sounds like ten year olds playing dungeons and dragons or Harry Potter like it does grand wizard grand scribe grand dragon grant, great titan. Greg grandpa. Rand giant. Is it really grand giant? This is so silly obligations are the real. No, there's nice. Yes. Oh my God. You guys in the KKK. You've gotta rebe titles. Title nervous. I don't know why why we're making fun of cake. Are they going to come get me or something? Well, let me just say this. This is going to get him way. More trouble than what you're dancing around is. We've now watched several documentaries about the KKK you and I. Now when I watched like Mary's about the Hells Angels. You do not wanna fuck with them in the toughest person in any hells. Angels chapter is called the sergeant of arms that they give that title to the toughest guy. I've seen a dozen or so hells angel sergeant arms. I am terrified. I would not want to say a single disparaging thing about them because there, but I have now watch all these KKK all look like outta shape. Fuck in heavy smoker. Car pound in every single one of them. We watched them together. Have you seen one guy that you're like that's a tough customer like now that guy looks like he would fucking die in a lawn chair. Hang listen. But I don't my fear is not tag is ising a hate group. Well, yeah, I'm saying my fear is not relegated to people who look tough. I know that the people who look weak can damage I kind of like though, challenging any minute toil. To fistfight. I don't wanna get in a gun duel with anyone they loved again a fight with me. Would you you? But you have not challenged them to fight. I am the one that's saying all look like outta shape. Clean me. So although they don't that's the sad thing. We're learning about the Klan is that they would be friends with you in two seconds. That's what's so complex about. All this is they would be friends with you their friends with that woman. Also weird. It is. Any who though I do stand by the my assessment of their general, fitness? Just leave it at that. Okay. Speaking of I watched black Klansmen over the break because it was on Obama's lists of top movies. It was for the year. And so I watched it with my family. We like to bear much great. Oh, okay. She said that she lost her virginity when she was nineteen in USA that seemed late. Am is want to be careful about that. Okay. 'cause I only want I don't want people to listen young people, and who maybe haven't had sex and think so. Wrong. Something's wrong. I should have by now or that. It's late if you get to a certain point like ever anything's fine. Yeah. Well, there's two elements that I'll say that compound that one is just Mike experience. So anything I'm saying, of course, relates to how it was in my town, basically people generally had sex by the time they were eighteen and so that's one issue, and that's probably regional. I'm sure there's different ages of sexual activity that are common in different areas seem to be pretty young where I'm from. But. Second to this in this kind of circles back to a problem. I think I I haven't figured out how to address it, which is because her her comedic material has been often very sexual. I think of her as someone who's very sexual or very uninhibited. You know, doesn't think there's a bunch of moral trappings surrounding the pleasurable activity of coitus. So I making these assumptions based largely on her comedy, which probably is not smart. So just based on her comedy. I think oh it would have thought she got sexually curious at six. I see. Yes. So it's not like it wasn't a blanket statement to all people like nineteenth late, but for for her I felt shocked by because she's so open about being sexual I figured that. I just wanted to clarify. That they should wait as long as they they can do whatever they want. Fine. And that it's all. And also fuck when you're ready because it's it's fun. You know, there's also that. Okay. Is bed wedding hereditary? The majority of bed wedding is inherited for three out of four kids. Either a parent or a first degree relative also wet the bed in childhood in some scientists have even located some of the specific genes that led to delay nighttime bladder control. Oh, wow. Yeah. So that was cool said her dad did that should be on the twenty three in meek kit. Whether you're a bad weather should add that bed wedding. Yeah. Yeah. We could also boy we could really do some synergy right now if we could get twenty three Amita, add it to their kids, and they give linen to do a P resistant, five star quality sheet and advertise it was people. Who are also an me undies undies could have a little Maxie pale Vilson diaper. Yeah. Like a reusable maxi pad. That would be great. Yeah. I suppose. A lot of our sponsors could hop on this Pacifica get like you have a little seat cover you could order your Pacific with a little on P resistant seek cover if you're night driving. If you're driving your sleep. Wow. Yeah. We need to call a meeting of all sponsors with our new multi pronged approach community of bed-wetting. We talk a little bit about OCD in control. And there's a book called overcoming obsessive thoughts and it says, anxiety and worry is a prominent feature of CD in the compulsions our behavioral attempts to manage or controlling Zion. Distressing thoughts. Yeah. But and you mentioned something about asthma potentially being cycle psychosomatic in a way to control their environment. And I didn't find anything on that. But it must be somewhere. Maybe so weird as I I don't know if I said in the interview, but I'm getting that offer. There was an entire chapter in the teddy Roosevelt. You're dedicated to the conclusion that as MOS psychosomatic era. I read like a whole Chipman on his mind. You this book the teddy Roosevelt book? I'm pretty sure it was a McCulloch book was written thirty years ago. So maybe it's even changed since then. But the way was written was seemed like it was completely conclusive that it was psychosomatic which I had as Mus kid. And again, you don't know you're doing all right. But it kind of made sense to me. Like that one of the gals in this chapter. That was talking about asthma was she would roses gave her asthma attack. And they brought roses in to her hospital room and she had an asthma attack. But the roses were fake. They were silk roses that was one of the examples. They gave I didn't get chills. But I feel like I coulda gotten chill. Coulda. What's a pre chills? State that you got into. I just felt like oh, wow. Big we're meal. Well, yeah. Kind of felt like the moment in the courtroom where they like show a video of the person, right or in the six cents when you find out that he's he's died. He's actually dead. Okay. She said that she's pretty tall. And she is she's five seven that's pretty tall for a lady. I think. Christian peach Leaney was the head of which Nazi group you said northern hammers. And it was first he was recruited to join Chicago area skinheads cash, and he became the group's leader at age sixteen at any facilitated a merger between cash and the hammer skins hammer stands so then it was both together. Okay. Yeah. Oh, yeah. What giving race groups a lot of airtime. We talked about race groups racist. Anti race groups. I would say, yeah. Although white is a raise. I mean, there's no such thing as race. But if you see the rays, right? Yeah. You're right. Yeah. Caucasoid Ongky cracker Whitey the man the man. Well, that's what black folks in the seventies called Whitey was the man I thought they called it. I thought that was like, yeah. I guess it is white. Yeah society. Yeah. Yeah. Honky cracker franker? Who said there, isn't anyone you couldn't love once. You've heard their story. Her name's Mary, Lou Retton. No, I love Mary, Lou Retton or she doing. Cow Necci connec, easy, K O W N A C K I. Continents and lots made popular by Mr. Rogers. Of course. Oh. That's a stamp of approval. Yeah. Another race thing. We're talking about like being attracted to your oppressor. And us as that we blew over. But I knew what you were trying to say, okay. You said that P girls in west Bloomfield like you Jewish girls girls in west Bloomfield liked you. And maybe it was because you looked really Aaron. And I think you were trying to say like there was some sort of like path Allah g about you and Mike Hitler and Nazis. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Can I say that? I don't know that. That it didn't say that like you kind of were trying to and you're about to doing scared or scares could tell you were wanting to. But then you didn't 'cause she kind of took it a little bit of a different way. And then you're gonna you're trying to sort of circle back. And then you let it go. But I know that that's I knew that you meant that. Yeah. I wondered in this probably stems from my own insecurities more than anything else because I couldn't comprehend that. They just liked me. Right. That there's no way that they just liked me. Yeah. But again, it was this portion it it was disproportionate. Well, more them like me, then honky cracker devil ass. Well. When I do think is true thing. It's just a forbidden. It's an exotic. Yeah. Yeah. Exotic. Also, really weird to think of myself as exotic. Yeah. If milk needed to be personified. It could just be me. Yeah. Now glass, a male not say, okay. All right. Batum strike one now because you're not blamed. Yeah. Right. Yeah. We'll get into a whole thing about the SPO the soul spectrum that that join I create it and at transcends skin color. Yeah. Very self serving. Spectral analysis I came up with because of course, I wanna put myself high on the soul spectrum, but we did conclude that Bill Murray was like ten on the soul spectrum like Samuel Jackson and Bill Murray are tied on the soul spectrum even the ones white black in fell like very nebulous. Like for some reason she and I agree on every name like any name. We would come up with like Tom Cruise. She and I would put him at like a one on the soul spectrum right and yell onto ten and then like Bill Murray we were both like fucking tan Sam Jackson tan Jimi Hendrix tan Murray. Bill Maher is a ten on the soul spectrum. Yeah. Okay. Where am I where are you? I where were you like an eight on the soul spectrum? Enjoy approved. She did she signed off on that she thinks on the soul spectrum and. And she's like a nine on this whole spectrum. Okay. Okay. Except that. Yeah. I would say she would probably be a ten. She's not a 'cause we got a reserve ten for like Sam Jackson and Bill Murray. So let me think of a female that is hard time will Retha Franklin's at ten on the soul spectrum. Okay. Right. Yeah. And a white woman that is. Eight. But I don't know sh she. And I felt like maybe I'm mis remembering we should probably check from her. What I was. But I was high for a white for a caucus, oy. It's like it's like it's like rhythm. You know? Yeah. There's like a rhythm in a looseness and a comfort in your own skin and a. Zama storm is making sense a little bit. When you look at Bill Murray, just like that guy is just like he's liquid in his own skin. He's just smooth and confident in like his own thing. And. Yeah, deep, and you know. Yeah. There's a looseness to the originality that is very soulful. Did you guys do it for the people onset? Did you? Yes. Absolutely. No, no, no, no. I can't possibly give people's negative. I don't know. I would imagine people wanna behind the soul spectrum. You can do that. You can do it on here. Don't lie. And we can have joy what she thinks. We can ask joy. But right. I would probably give you a five on the specter. Negative. Yeah. Yeah. Feels negative. But like. Let me tell you something. Visit by your own admission, you weren't a simulator your cheerleader like being a snowboarder put you high on the soul spectrum because it's like, you're bucking the convention. You're finding your own wave deride? It's not completely popular or normal. It's almost paralleling. Now that I think about it. My definition of the punk rock spectrum. People who are doing that are doing the exact same thing that people who are on the chilling squatter doing they're finding the group that makes them feel good. Sure. And is giving them approval. One is. Not different than the other. I'm sorry. This is not. I know you want it to be. But it's not. Well, let me ask you this. There's some things I don't know about you. Which is interesting because I've known you for a while now. But I don't know if you dance there's music played. Like, you know, me I can't not dance when music's plate right at the house. Second music comes on. I am dancing. And I just don't I don't know that about you that would inch you up or down on the soul spectrum. Yeah. What did you want to be on the spectrum? I don't know. I just don't like the number. I don't think you know, me the do you dance around. You never why not. Maybe made me self conscious. I make yourself conscious. Now, maybe I feel self conscious will like Bill Murray would dance around. If Bill Murray was in the mood to dance he would dance, right. And so would Sam Jackson. That's true. Tom Cruise would not. I mean, he probably does. I don't even know this. Sued by Tom Cruise. I don't know other Tom Cruise with dance or not. I don't feel like he would well Tom Cruise. Right. He was actually the suspect is not the only spectrum to be on top crews of what a guy this son of a bitch is such a good actor the movies in is. They're so hard to be good in almost all the lines are cheesy exposition, they're like a threat to somebody there him expressing his anger. They're very hard. I watch those movies. What are those movies called Monica action movie? No the the series emission impossible. And I love it. He runs this man runs at one point in the in the most recent movie upwards of six minutes straight. Just sprinting he sprints now he's sprints in every movie, but he's sprints in the most recent mission impossible for swear, six minutes, straight almost no actor in the world. Could you film running for six minutes and still be interested after one minute? If you watched. Me run for a minute you'd wanna fast forward. So there's something that Tom Cruise has that. I don't have. And he has some spectrum that he's ten on. Then I'm a one on. So it's okay. You know that he is in pegging that specific spectrum? Yeah. Okay. That's true. All right. Okay. That's all that was all the facts. We can't end on this note your very upset about the five. Well, I'm not set you're pretty upset. Okay. Now back to when I'm not around you do some dancing. Yeah. You do. How much I don't know when you're in your car. No, you don't sing my car seeing when you're in your car. Okay. So you're on the singing's better. Your high in the singing spectrum, but maybe not so high on. No, I'm not high on a singing spectrum because I won't sing in front of you. Although I have heard you sing in the backseat. Right. And it's always great. You in fact, when I hear you saying my first instinct is to be happy because I want to hear you sing. But then it transitions immediately into anger because here you have this great voice. And I could be hearing it all the time. And you're denying all of us it and it selfish, and it's greedy in its crude and rude. I guess I'm also I guess your hand on the seltzer spec on the rude spectrum. So I mean. Yeah. Well, I guess there's one more thing. I could say a sore friend who was talking about wanting to date someone funny. You were saying that's about ego Wohl them. I didn't say is it about ego. I said just be certain Al Qaeda. It's not about ego. Okay. I guess one thing if. Yeah, you want to be surrounded by someone funny. That's fine. Okay. But if in fact, you really just want to be around someone funny. So that you have the approval of someone you admire them. Maybe that's not a great. Motivation. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So be clear like. It doesn't always mean. It's your ego can be that funny. People are fun to be around pure enjoyment. Yes. Hundred percent, I don't know. I think it's just it's just interesting to analyze why you're attracted to someone to to decide if it is just genuine enjoyment, or if it is eagle film. Right. It could be both a look it's the same thing happens for attractiveness. We'll sure you wanna be with someone attractive because you wanna be attracted to them. There's a whole layer of is that you want to be with someone attract people think your cats. So this is important to know whether you're attracted to them, or whether you're attracted to the notion that you're with someone attract. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Because you can be super hot for somebody who's not conventionally gorgeous like isn't going to be on the cover of a magazine for their beauty in some people would would keep. That would keep them from dating that person because they're ego wants to be with someone that should be on a magazine cover, even they think that person sexiest hell, I think that happens. Yeah. Yeah. I think it happens to every day every minute even these grand goblins, man. Yeah. I don't know if the goblins are grand other not they might just be junior goblins and small gobs socio goblin. All right. I love you.

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MYTH BUSTED: Did Trump Praise Nazis as Very Fine People? | Louder with Crowder

Louder With Crowder

09:18 min | 4 months ago

MYTH BUSTED: Did Trump Praise Nazis as Very Fine People? | Louder with Crowder

"Hey their audio listener. Are you tired of your old bedsheets. I and i don't have any that can do for you. Because bedsheets don't sponsor this show but i would like to tell you about gold really more of a golden opportunity. Join mugla but a lot of cutter dot com slash muklewicz. The only reason that this show is actually available audio version that you're listening to or on youtube and we have a full daily show that you don't get access to anywhere else so if you want to continue enjoying this show change my mind or the like or if the hate listen you like to hate watch. People do that punishable face. Please do consider supporting at louder with crowder dot com slash mug club. Join up today in. you'll be a better person for it. There is no such thing as a very fine neo. Nazi i would agree with you. Yeah i would agree. Let me ask you this. Would it change your opinion if trump agrees with you and he had said that at that exact same conference. Oh it would have helped this election coming up. There's been a lot of accusations of racism and it struck me that a lot of people still believe president. Donald trump did not condemn white supremacy in charlottesville north carolina. Peaceful protesters were protesting racial injustice. And then on the other side. There were neo nazis the commander commander-in-chief chief said there were fine. People on both sides moral equivalence good people on both sides. No one wants to hear from the man who says there are people on both sides essentially suggesting that there are very fine people in the nazis presence ever ever see should they're very fine people both sides. I realized there was no video. Actually questioning people about this didn't exist so i decided to make myself but i had to go in disguise. Let me ask you. Do you think that donald trump has he done enough to condemn which you don't think so. No so personally. I i don't think so. Do you think that donald trump is done enough to condemn white supremacy. I mean it's kind of a trick question if you ask. We'll just a point that he's always at least not speaking up Very clearly In condemning some groups. I think it's pretty clear when you look at comments. Like can you condemn david duke. And there's a hesitation and two week or a week or two later here. Respond to it yes i condemn it. He hasn't been. He hasn't been as clear as he needs to be. In my opinion no do you think that. Donald trump is racist absolutely. Okay and what makes you say that. I listened to every word. He says everywhere everywhere because of a lot of the things that he said Just throughout all of his speeches especially in context to the corona virus calling it the china virus and things such as that like is. Yeah i just don't think that he really like mexico's he hates mexicans. There hasn't been a lateral like on every single front that white supremacy is bad from donald trump. there's been hesitations. There's been misstep very consistently. And i think that's what's opening the door for a very unfortunately racist base signed an example. Find people on both sides. Yeah i mean. I think that was to me. What's kind of a unnecessary comment. And i think just knowing how if you're so against the media then why given something to look for right why not just say clearly premises. They should be condemned totally. Yeah exactly and i think once that said then then acting that's just to me it's an easy thing to do. Right would bother you. Most about his comments and charlottesville the good people on both sides. Okay it should be pretty easy to condemn white supremacy neo-nazis nazis outright in no uncertain terms. David duke should be a very easy person. Degree with right or condemning. Yeah white supremacists or neo nazis in charlottesville. Yeah you would've you would've liked see both of those to make sure we're talking about the same thing this was. This was charlottesville right. The first This is yeah. Play it that we are talking about right people on both very but you also had people that were very fine people on both sides right there and yeah i wish he would. One of the there is no such thing. As a very fine neo nazi. I would agree with you. Yeah i would agree. Let me ask you this. Would it change your opinion if trump agreed with you and he had said that at that exact same oh it would help be different if he had done those things and would be better condemning really. Yeah it was it now because he knows he sent. Trump always been saying it for a very long time. Have you seen the full clip your changing culture. And you had people. And i'm not talking about the neo nazis and the white nationalist because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo nazis and white nationalists. Okay does that. Change your opinion on. Maybe have you seen that before. Today i have. I don't remember the last part right. Condemned white supremacy. Did you know about that full context before you saw that clip. I haven't seen the full clip because that help like you said you know it helps but there it goes on and on and on like i don't think that has a big influence on my opinion one because like i said like those two comments aren't the only parts it's gonna very consistent part of his rhetoric but do you think with charlottesville. Do you think. I was dishonest. To the media he didn't condemn late. You premacy when he did at that. Certain insects yes no. I don't think it's just pulling from an actual thing that he said his now. But what you're reading a and watch. You never actually heard or saw the comments of donald trump condemning went premacy at charlottesville. Did see did see that. Did you know about that full context before you saw that clip. I haven't seen the full clip i. I'd seen the clips. And that's why i told you whenever you first interviewed me or the start of this interview is my thoughts on that and i think that he can do more i bring. The media is biased in that way like. Obviously that's not what's going to use on cnn. Does it worry you that. That's the first time you're seeing that considering obstinate before you said that he didn't would it. Change your opinion if trump agrees with you and he had said that at that exact same conference our would help me. I listened to the strength of what he says. But you didn't know until just now that he said i'm not talking about white supremacists or neo. Nazis should be condemned totally. And you just said that had he condemned it in no uncertain terms. You would've viewed him differently. I don't think i've even differently like from. That isn't gonna knock down in general. Yeah i think. There's other instances that you can really. I know you're talking specifically about limb right. Doesn't your opinion though. No and i mean. He says they're fine people on both sides. David david duke in robocalls out again. The white supremacist movement supporting you. Do you have any words for that. David duke endorsement. okay. I disavow okay. Th where we looked at it. It looked at the question. I disavow david. So are you prepared right now to make a clear and unequivocal statement. Renouncing support of all white supremacists. Course i am. Of course when christie's exact same question. I said i disavow about then disavowed today on. Abc with george stephanopoulos. I- disavowed again. Eight minutes mike. You can tell me. I think it's enough to take over the years. I totally disavow. The klu klux klan totally disavow david duke ultimately he got to the klu klux klan. Which obviously going to disavow have reject david. Duke rejected david duke I've rejected the kkk video. So we went through charlottesville said in general I mean it could be. It could be a two hour video. Does that change your opinion again at all on his position outright condemning in no uncertain terms surpremacy Now i mean i'm not saying that. Donald trump is the president of white supremacy. I think he could have done well again. It's the inconsistency that's been like the oaken door for a white supremacist. Right now to support him. does that change. Maybe your opinion on donald trump's view there now no it doesn't so you don't care so much about what he said. No no no what what would be required for you to say that. He's adequately condemned it it. It's it's a good point you make in. It's it's it's it's a matter of degree of strength but it's a point you. I think he walks up for the first time when he could have said. You know what. I still don't like donald trump but that changes the context. I think i would have been a better. Answer is but instead you argue that he's still hadn't done so i disagree with you. I think he's done for now. That i got into this social distancing. How is that larry. David david david distance.

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Monday, Jan. 21: Spike Lee, Killer Mike and Yolanda Adams performs

The View

00:00 sec | 2 years ago

Monday, Jan. 21: Spike Lee, Killer Mike and Yolanda Adams performs

"Are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash podcast. That's indeed dot com slash podcast. Welcome to Martin Luther King junior day on the view, Spike Lee talks about why his Oscar buzz worthy movie black Landsman is a reflection of race relations in America right now activist in rapper killer. Mike is telling you what you should be doing to honor MLK today. And the thirteen year old waspa- phenomenon. Jay Z put in the spotlight miles Gaetan and Grammy winning superstar Yulon to Adams join forces for a powerful tribute to an American icon. It all starts now with Whoopie. I'll be huntsmen joy Behar, sunny, Hoste, n- and Meghan McCain. Now, let's get things started. Welcome. We walked out to common in John legend's. Oscar and Grammy winning song glory from the movie Selma. Because today the view is honoring Dr Martin Luther King junior. Rather than starting the show with us talk. We wanted you to have the opportunity to listen to Dr king himself explaining the unique history of being black in America. In rare footage recently posted by his daughter, Bernice, take a look when is it about the negro every other group that came as an immigrant somehow not easily, but somehow got around or is it just the fact that negroes are black white America must see that. No, other ethnic group has been a slave on American saw that is one thing that other immigrant groups haven't had to face. The other thing is that the color became a stigma American society made the negroes color, a stigma America free slaves nineteen I mean, eighteen six to three threw them. Beijing proclamation of ABRAHAM LINCOLN, but gave the slaves no land on nothing in reality. And as a matter of fact to to get started on at the same time America was giving away millions of acres of land in the west and the midwest, which meant that that was a willingness to give the white peasants from Europe and economic base. And yet it refused to give its black peasants from Africa who came here in voluntarily in chains and had worked free for two hundred and forty four years in it kind of economic base in so emancipated for the negro was really freedom to hung good was freedom to the winds and rains of heaven. It was freedom without food deed land, the coat avait, and that Ford was freedom and famine at the same time, and when white Americans tell the negro to lift himself is on straps. They don't they don't look over the legacy of slavery. And segregation. I believe we ought to do all we can and seek to lift ourselves down bootstraps. But it's a crew of Justice say to a boot list man that he oughta lift himself is on bootstraps and Mindy grows by the thousands and millions have been left bootlace has a result of all of these years of oppression. And as a result of a society that deliberately made his color, a stigma and something worth miss and degrading. The powerful words. It's it's it is the clearest most succinct thing I have ever seen that explains to people, you know, oftentimes people say, well, why are you always talk about slavery? What you what why don't you all just get over it? It's because it it kind of in a way is never ending it feels like that, you know, feels like that. Because you know, I know and remember watching along with my mother the fight as an American to get the right to vote just the right to vote and being born in this country. I didn't come from somewhere else. I was born here, and it wasn't until sixty eight that the vote for black people was given in the entire nation. So there's so many things, you know, when people talk about being. Being kept back in a precious to this is what people are talking about that the playing feel has never quite felt level. Well, I was. Yeah. And I was. I was born in one thousand nine hundred sixty eight and I remember when I turned forty my father said to me, do you know that you are the first person in my family to enjoy full civil rights, and it just it sort of stopped me in my tracks. And shook me to my core because he followed that and said, well, maybe. You know? Well, the main among the king also talking about the the financial inequities we really set people back. Yes. They gave all that land to white people whether they were born here or not and besides the color stigma. There's also the financial disabilities. You could call it that that black people have had to endure. And and, you know, of course, he mentioned the fact that people just see color. They just see color, and it was like, it seemed like it was a deliberate way to oppress people at very deliberate. It wasn't just AXA gentle. They deliberately did not give land to those people. Really? It's the original sin of this country. And I think of Dr paying. I. I bet say their sports myself once a week. I can't take hate. It's too great a burden to bear. I'm going to stick with love. I think that is something that we should all say to ourselves. And sometimes when I get so consumed with thinking about anger that he was going on the country has so many amazing quotes that still are so residents and another one is there comes a time when silence is betrayal. And I think we're living in a moment when any silence, no matter where you're at is a betrayal and his legacy will continue to live on. And so all. All you young people booth on. It was just I have a dream his amazing. No, it's not just that. This is a this is this is the moment in American history where we all have to catch up because our history is American history. Your history is American history were all black white Brown yellow orange. Yes arch. Oh my gosh. Many. But it came out. But now is our moment to say this is what this means. This is the inequity that people talk about right? We gotta balance each other or or or none of our balance. It's all it's either all of us or none of us. Yeah. I'm going for all of us. Okay. So there's a big election coming and the question on everyone's mind is a contender in twenty twenty to run for president you running for president. Are you? Whether you're running for president you're going to run for president. Are you running so unclear to announce on the that? I'm not ready to make my announcement. Much on the line in this epoch year ahead. Anybody who's anybody who wants to make it to the next one politics has to come on this show because this is the place to green heard few Republican in wanna make news come on the show. View on ABC. Viva black people have been relegated towards subservient and second plank position in American society. The moment. Tune to live and maisy moment continue to grow enter develop through the think that everyone in the United States of America would recognize the black man had indeed from the inception of this country been integral part of United States of America. You know, Dr king famously told us he'd seen the promised land. But might not get there with us. He didn't. But he definitely showed us the way to get their ourselves, including a lot of guests who sat at this very table. Take a look. Dr came from me as a black boy was like one of the first black men that I saw in my history books that were celebrated by black people and white people like people embraced on white people embrace him because he was about love Martin Luther King JR. When he was in jail in Birmingham in the jails came to him and said, Dr king your own. Segregation is right. He said, no, it's not he said the way of righteousness is right. And then he asked him how much money do you make? And then when they told him he said well hell you need to be marching with us. Kinks out of standard. Yes, you have to have more witness. But you're supposed to be calling people up not just calling them out. And there's a way that sometimes we get so frustrated that we're just calling people out in forgetting to call them up. I don't think that the Ku Klux Klan has gotten a memo that we're free and that we all belong. Everybody belongs. No matter what color you are. What is ridiculous is going on out here? We live in America right now, where we've evolved we believe that a man could be a woman in the woman by women could be a mantra, but we inherently believe the black or critic, you're very blackness by birth has been demonized and weaponized and is considered inherently threatening and less than often when people are killed in thickly people of color killed by the police. We have a moment of outcry, and then we sort of move on. I don't believe in stereotypes. I believe we have been twenty four million people in this country. You can't tell me that you could put people in the box as hard being a woman of color. In the world and just in the business in the industry, where they tell you you're not enough or no one wants to see you. No one's going gonna pay you pay dollars to come. And see you can't carry a movie at show up at my low per folio. They look at it, and they go we already have a black girl. How many models they would have two hundred models. We're not I started in this business. One reporter seems to how does it feel to be the Jackie Robinson a country music? Charlie. How does it feel to be first color country? Singers, Charlie how does it feel to be the first legal countries under Charlie? How's it feel to be the first afro American? Feel the same the it when I was colored. All of America is made up of immigrants and to the universe. There are no borders. I am an American. I was born and raised an American, but also feeling linked to my family and their culture and where they come from. And it's sort of this thing of like when you're both your kind of neither. And then I grew up in realized this is millions of American area and says the number of the population of Indian Americans in Indy in America has tripled since that time. So the voice is louder representation in the demand for 'Presentation. For people of color is louder all got to this country in different ways who are ancestry wall in the same boat now and to try to think we're going to demonize each other so bad we need each other anytime, someone black white Asian Latino Weber exhibits a moment of of a lack of awareness about something. And then they quickly apologized. Get it part of us moving on and healing as a country as a people is in. Racing that in policy. All right. Then you could actually be closer as a result of that. Because then they understand something on a deeper level. Racism is hereditary poss- down you teach achier children roll generation. And you have to know that to have it at side you susceptible, but if we treated like a disease shun people, I don't understand how we think it's going to change. What we go. You're a racist. Get outta here. You'll live in the same house demerge house world house and was learned to live together as brothers and sisters stop king with put it over parish as. Next Spike Lee on the Oscar buzz around his latest hit movie black klansman, God bless America. And why it's more relevant now than ever. This is one of the happiest moments of my life. And I want to thank each one of you who had a part in selecting me for one of their war or your kind of it has made me feel very very number. And I shall always hold a beacon for anything that I may be able to future. I sincerely hope I shall always be accredited rains and to the motion picture industry. My hardest to tell you just and I say, thank you. The one is spot is that the top of his game with this latest flick baby black klansman, the true story of how black man was able to hit full trait. Colorado, Colorado chapter of the klu Klux Klan and nineteen seventies. Take a look at you propose to make this investigation of contact and created some familiarity with the clansman over the phone I'll continue in that role. But only another officer surprise surprise a white officer to play me when they meet face to fish. That's my point exactly chief black Ron stallworth over the phone quite round stalwart face to face. So that becomes a combined. Ron stallworth? Can you do that? I believe we can with the right white man can do anything. Endowment. Please. Welcome Spike Lee. Yeah. Where my Morehouse yet. Dr Mark king. My father was a freshman when Dr cames a senior Samuel Jackson was couple of years headed me. Right and Martin Luther King Martin Luther King the third classmates right class seventy nine Morehouse college. I got out. Good to see him and just walked up to the classic ball confusion. Yes. Which is in the film and films getting a lot of attention. A lot of attention. It's got Oscar just got golden glove nominations. It was that Khan and took second place. So you just got you. I DJ nomination ever ever. I ask. I know you. That's the question. I'm gonna ask you. I'm gonna ask you different question. How hard was it to get this film made? Easy. Jordan pill. Yeah. Idea come from for this. It's book it was a book and Jordan pill Canaan meals, a whole bunch of people, but he called me up and gave me a six word pitch black man, infiltrates klu Klux Klan filariases right, there is absurd. And that's where you will come from. We're writing jokes or Ganic from the Serb absurdity of the the whole pitch. So you true is a two story here. You are really a groundbreaking director of color one of maybe two. And now, you get this film and Jordan Peele says here's this great idea. And you say, okay. What made you think people would buy? Well, there was a script ready. Okay. So. Had the new head. They want me to write it with my co writer, Ken Wilma. Right. But the thing I knew and I told Kevin is in order for this to be successful. We at the time the pass with the prison film takes place in the mid seventies. Yeah. So we don't do that. It's just like all the happened in seven. He's had the connect the pass the president didn't listen up before we start to shoot Charlottesville. Yes. That's the minute. Yeah. I knew that was ended. Right. So brilliant is so Br I just can't even tell you know, the other day today. Histon I was watching this discussion about Steve king. You know, this congressman who uses these terms these white nationalist. Blassie? And then I saw governor casick talking about it. And they asked him to you think that Trump Trump's words as you mentioned Charlottesville is that as bad as there's something there. And he said, no, he said Trump never called himself, a white nationalist. He never said he was white supremacist. So he deeds not words. Yeah. Exactly. And I thought I. The national. But but but I thought let him off the hook been letting. It's not new yet old this old long time. This story been out there. Whatever reason nobody I don't know what is old. In the film. John, David, Washington, Denzel, Washington, son. We wait don't leave all his mother and. Who who is just just an incredible also woman is herself. But he plays Ron stalwart. And Whoopi was saying during the clip you just hear denzel's here. They sound some delay. He's eldest son, and you've known him since he was a baby boy is born. You didn't have him addition for this. How did you know he was Ron stallworth spied in my Spidey sense? This. The median bodies. A long time. And you know, you I I knew he could do it. So I know additional put on tape said I often the road, right? He was in Cincinnati shooter film. Call him up sending the book the script. He served as go that was it. I you know, I listened to the book, and I have to take it. It's really funny because you you keep thinking now they're going to figure this out and point they're going to know when I met the real if. That's my question him. How come the clan recognize devices? They did it. But we had doors. They're not gonna believe that. So I wrote a scene specifically where we bring up this thing about your voice. Got out put it into audience. Yeah. Because just say. Didn't recognize the voice that I wanna ask you this the rock band, the killers just released a new song called land of the free, and you directed film for the song with scenes of migrants at the US Mexico border, and we have a clip, please take a look. Chiba hans. Tree. Just saying. Free. Wow. We're saying we'll so powerful we're seeing wheelchairs lifted over what was it like there? Well, I I want to get the shout Brandon flowers. All the killers. You calling out of nowhere. He said I got a song. He's he told me. He just seemed like clansman. And he has a song as the protests on. I said Senator me, and I say, let's do it delirious. They're different stands all the prompts happening in America's time. But the last one that stood out to me that was about the whole I don't even come immigrants. I'm calling people who were seeking peace and I went down to blow the board. And I had got a lot of other people shooting stuff and came out the other day and people really responded to and and it's so relevant because. Over eight hundred over eight thousand miracles are not. Being paid was going to four feet now because it was happening. Yeah. That's on this thing. And so and and think that. It's just in thin may quickly. How he tried to criminalise saying his daughter earlier doing campaign all Mexicans rape nine murderers drug dealers. And then he said with the caravan that was coming. Well, there's some people Middle Eastern Sioux say there was terrorist. Yeah, they're people walk hundred miles and flip flops so unless they made us a nuclear bomb flipflops. I mean, you'll care. Those two kids died. Now, they blame it on the parents and also the national parks. I think two or three people died dying, national parks, and this whole thing. So this is like this banana, this is this is crazy time, you know, you need to come. But you haven't been here nearly enough. Yeah. Like getting I got invited to like like. I woke up into. You have an open invitation common. Danny very much anytime. Thanks to Spike Lee members of our audience. You are lucky hunting you're going hand with. Michael better known as killer. Mike, and I'm here to tell the ladies my candidate. Bernie Sanders is the only got taken the page came on next. Is it still a struggle to get that good night's sleep? Then maybe it's time to try the purple mattress. It's made out of new material that makes it firm and soft. So it keeps everything supported while. Still feeling really comfortable. Try now with a one hundred night risk-free trial along with free shipping and returns. 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I think they should be judged solely on their Bill out there, and they shouldn't have to do with it. The activists businessman in Rapa who's giving views new way to look at everything from religion gang culture, economic quality on his new Netflix series trigger wanting with Killa mic. Please welcome Michael random better known as Kelham. So we're celebrating Martin Luther King junior day. And you recently wrote an article about what everyone should be doing today instead of just sort of hanging out and taking the day off nothing wrong with the day off, cleaning and work. I don't really want to work out. I will say as Americans we should take this opportunity. And I think even globally to use these days to give back so for holidays Christmas thanksgiving oftentimes family, we feed hungry and even when not so today, I just challenge people to take our day and do something pro positive for the community. Whether that's feeding hungry of giving homeless people SOX. Whether it's being a part of the social Justice Orgainzation, if you'll lawyer lending an hour or another person, but Dr king's about action, not just words. So I think this is a day of action. Dr king both grew up in Atlanta, Georgia, and you've been an activist since you were young Atlanta fans in here since you were young kid who originally taught you about activism. Grandmother Betty clots from ski Alabama. Yeah. Her her grandfather had been volved victim of things. Yeah. She her grandfather, you know, the horrors of the ski experiment visited our family things of that nature. But I think it gave my grandmother a wheel to want to leave the world better. She was a nurse. She I remember going on campaigns for Andrew Young. Who's also Dr king right there by her knee. And she taught me the importance marched it sale, mushy, Marshon Birmingham, and she taught me the importance of judging people on character of pushing for equality for everyone. And it was just something I couldn't escape, and she, you know, made people call me Michael render killer, Mike. Well, she didn't like it. I know that you campaign for Bernie Sanders hard hard. You love Bernie. Do I like this quality? As a person. I like them a lot. His his, but his his his political agenda in his platform, which ruby. Yes. Of course. And also I understand that. There's something about him. Martin Luther King is connected to besides the fact that he really wasn't organizer in. You know, got locked up in, you know, the police roughed him up in Chicago. We got the pitcher to prove it. Release the photos, but. Size that transformative power in Dr king's policy. Whether you look king, non violence or you look up economic equality or the ending of war and the proliferation of corporations over local all of that was found on Sanders campaign all of that started with the little bitty black boy born in the fourth quarter, Atlanta, Georgia who went on to become a miniature went to Morehouse college went to all of these ideas, come from the working class and the poor. So what Bernie's campaign reminded me? Is that my fight? Is there the working class with the poor? And with the proletarian is not what the political oligarchy. It's not with Richard fluent enough to escape politics. It is firmly with the working class. That's why I supported him now. That's why I support that's in forever. Supported say anything. He's going to run again. I don't know he told me this shot. Yeah. I think he's the only person that could be really really you have in new show. Call trigger. About the show is about us pushing the line. I have been told my whole life that black gangs where the worst plight amongst black community that were no good. And at the same time. I look at TV, and I see white crime celebrated. I celebrate sunny Bolger celebrate Al Capone. I celebrate the Irish mafia all these other things. So I went to my crib, and my blood homeboys, and I say, hey, you guys on the game. Unlike the hills ain't trademark yourself you've not sit yourselves this is legitimate business. So you can't sell t shirts, but Nike can sail. Blue night. He's leave asking sale. Blue by Dana's hanging out of one side. You should be taking advantage of capitalism because that curves poverty violence. I took six up to four young men who are members of a cripple organization on adventure to try to start Kripa cola. We started a soda company. I love drinking Coca Cola when I was a kid. My trainer doesn't let me drink it. Now, I think that if you take economics and implanted in the organization of gang structure in black community, you can start to create a business of business model that our work, and you get to watch the show and see if it worked well. Well, speaking of guns in one of the episodes, you have a discussion with the woman about banning guns and the conversation quickly turned into who commits the most rob a strange turn watch this. I think both the robbers and most them are black really think most robbers are black. I'm getting everything from the news. What'd you say fake news? I think it set up to keep people who look like me, and you afraid of one another because as long as we're frayed of one another we can't ever here. But if we ever start dialogue and talking and kinda got to here, I think we will require the news to present news differently. Probably right there. Still thank most of the shootings and robberies are done by. Shoot is this country a white payable? Did you did you ever change her opinion at the end or not job is not to change her opinion? It is it is to present an alternative to the perception of reality. We all agree. Thanks to render his new show trigger one. Streaming now on network. We'll be right back. He's the thirteen year old gospel prodigy who blue Jay Z. He's fifteen room. She's a four time Grammy winning superstar up nex miles Keeton and your Wanda Adams perform a powerful tribute to Martin Luther King junior. That'll make you believe. People look at me and think are going to make judgments about women about black people about black women in particular, depending on how I do in the program. So in that case, yes, I'm aware that there's some there's some additional pressures or stresses there yet at the same time. I try not to look at that too much because I dwell on it for a long time. Then it starts to affect the way, I interact with people and the way I interact with myself even. Performance Dr Martin Luther King junior and all those fighting to realize his dream of equality. Please. Welcome five time Grammy would win a Yolanda Adams and a thirteen year old gossip will prodigy who Jay Z put in the spotlight miles, Kate. Zing. Sweet. Book. Every time you work today to change your tomorrow. It does get easier. Who's to say? Take. Closer to. This. And don't you feel it? And. So don't be. Try. Don't. The. The. You have. Try. Don't. Singing. From all refrain that one cannot legislating quality laws not only provide concrete benefits even chains. Awesome. So they have it. We want to have a great day take time to enjoy the view. And remember how far we've come. Let's go forward. Some more. From ABC. This is Bill limits. Even from the beginning all of us for saying this is so important, I've your host, Rebecca Jarvis. And each week. 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The day the nation's capital welcomed the KKK

Retropod

05:23 min | 1 year ago

The day the nation's capital welcomed the KKK

"Retro pod is sponsored by tito's handmade vodka. Drink responsibly. Hey history lovers. I'm mike rosen walled with retro pod but show about the past rediscovered these days the toxic hatred of white supremacists is spread out among a a number of right wing groups. Many of those groups gathered two years ago in charlottesville virginia at the unite the right rally which erupted in chaos dozens were injured. One woman died of course the klu klux klan was there but not with the strength strength and stranglehold on hatred that at once held like in the summer of nineteen twenty five when thirty thousand yes thirty thousand klansmen march down pennsylvania avenue in washington d._c. White residents in the highly segregated city greeted warmly. They're the k._k._k.'s membership numbers have declined to about eight thousand according to the southern poverty law center in one thousand nine hundred twenty five. The organization was at the height of its popularity. The clan boasted a national little dues paying membership of nearly five million men and five hundred thousand women. The march on washington is one of its proudest. Most hate filled moments. The group book eighteen trains for their march hotels filled with hooded men lunch stands and tobacco shops quickly sold out the clan even brought their own ambulances to escort those felled by the august heat. Many of the hooded marchers showed their faces rather telling indication that the group responsible for lynchings and other acts of terror could operate with impunity some in the group felt that showing their faces would grant their organization added legitimacy demissie and respectability according to hebrews ex kennedy author of stamped from the beginning the definitive history of racist ideas in america. The reality that many members of the k. k. k. were politicians only encouraged members to appear publicly without their hoods the clansman march for more than three hours the eventually gathered at the washington monument for for speeches only to be greeted by torrential downpour. The marches leader told the crowd don't leave god won't let it rain rain but it did ring and many left the next day a clan contingent burned an eighty foot cross at the arlington park horse grounds seventy five thousand people witnessed that ceremony from roadsides in their own backyards among the many striking angles of the clans visit is how the washington post covered the events the front page headline the following day red white robed clan cheered on march in nations capital the paper wrote phantom like host of the ku klux klux klan spread their white robe over the most historic thoroughfare yesterday in one of the greatest demonstrations the city has has ever known let that sink in one of the greatest demonstrations this city has ever know aw the post story wrap sizes the parade pageantry but says very little about the group's espousal of hatred the paper. Did i have one thing to nitpick. Though the ability to march in straight lines now public public opinion of white supremacists has changed but white supremacists have changed very little since those days candy the historian she's ideological parallels between the clan in the nineteen twenties and the right of today almost one hundred years later white supremacist still believe believe that people of color caused societal ills like economic inequality in stagnating wages candy says these white supremacists assist are conditioned to believe this even though it flies in the face of facts. I'm mike rosenfeld. Thanks for listening special. Thanks to terrence mcardle who reported this story for the washington post and for more forgotten stories from history visit washington can post dot com slash retro pod retro pod is sponsored by tito's handmade vodka and w w._p._a. Brand studio da joe was the original tito's distillery dog over twenty two years ago. Her unwavering support inspired the vodka for dog people program learn more about other retro dogs at washingtonpost dot com slash tito's.

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Episode 69 | Cancel Culture

The Rell World

21:24 min | 2 years ago

Episode 69 | Cancel Culture

"Take the true story. Find out what happens stopping like or. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome to get another episode of row world, and I wanted to just jump right into things. So I have a single parent. My mom's the kind of parent who frankly ruins whatever kind of game that I think that I have. Because of the weight of cars work, my mom calls. Here's something that. It's typical conversation can be like. Hey, where's your girlfriend like frankly, like on my sister's keeper? But now, I have a cute young thing. Right. With me shotgun. She now knows that I have a girlfriend now you might ask what me being a creep or doing something has to do with anything. And I'm to break down. How it relates to just being American. At this moment. I could probably be just like Kamla hairs. If I'm honest, a lot of the rhetoric and the things that I'm hearing that are coming out currently, and while again, this won't be a political topic because I say to Sola, Tom, I leave politics to CNN MSNBC from anybody else that wants to talk about it. I think the human aspect of it makes me cure a little curious about why we tend to look at women in this way. So. There's a story that's circling the internet. People are saying the Comroad had an affair with somebody for a number of years. And it kick started her political career dot honest truth is that I don't care about any show. Issue. Repeat I could care less about any of it. The truth is whatever person should did. Or did not smash has literally nothing to do with her -bility to do her job. And to be honest. Also, none of our business. As a man, I know that there are these double standards that we apply to women. But if we're honest, the both the scenario, let's remember all of us have probably done some real ho- ash it. It things that we've done that. We don't want anybody in the world to know, it's between me and that other person. Were not particularly proud of some of the moments that we've had. And less. It has zero impacting the jobs that were going to do. When instead of considering that or thinking about her we tend to look at it from wounds bet on my God, she can't be trusted. She's done these things in our personal leg. And you know, what we don't care. Speak to her record. Tell me you don't like someone a policy she she did some of the things she voted someone thinks he stood for I'm here for that. And I think that compensation kind of goes back to anything. As men. It's first and foremost our jobs to protect the women that are around us. This also goes into thought and Matt necessarily just. By action. Sure, you'll hear me speak about it. But the truth is, and I feel like I said that way too many times we also have to promote that in our thoughts. We have to be the guardians to say. You know, what this kind of talk is out of bounds, and it's not necessary. This does nothing to help anybody. Because if somebody worked asked me what things I did in my personal life outside of my work career, how they impact at my job. I can probably tell you if they thought that I was Dirk bag on a treated, women terribly. And I was some kind of pimp. Well, that probably would say terrible person. But let's just say that I'm a womanizer plenty of dudes. I'll hit a blues they're really stopped them from getting their jobs done. There are women are here that again is that really stopped them from getting jobs done. And do we care? At some point. I notice culture of being constantly TMZ constantly wanting more news constantly invading privacy. Got it Rolette back. Stop caring about what other people do. Because ultimately, we don't want that same spotlight shot or not life. I'd be deathly afraid that if I ever ran for political office or from our podcast actually gets big. I now have to answer for everything that I've done wrong. Over the course of my life. And not the little stuff. But you'd never want to answer for like, we oh, I did you do that. I don't fucking know at the time. It felt good. It was what I wanted to do. So just some food for thought. I'm gonna keep this moving right along because I think the be quick episode again. I don't have a guest this week. But I wanted to put some content out for you guys. Usually when I do these myself, I've titled them the evening dash, it's a play on one of my favorite podcasts where it's a question and answer kind of thing and shut up the money Jones. I sorta hijack that format even though plenty of people do it. I liked those style that he does it. But I format because that was something I thought was really fun. Instead of having people reach out to me or soliciting questions. Like, I normally would I decided to ask myself some stuff. Now normally when you talk to yourself, people think you're crazy. This'll be the first time that I can actually ask myself a question and answer the question, and literally nobody cares about what I'm saying. I still get to come out looking cool. So sit back for a little bit rack with me so much thank. And let's jump right into it. First question. Are you scared to watch this Michael Jackson? Dr that's coming on HBO later this year. So with the rise of surviving R Kelly with all of the information that surrounds Bill Cosby in anybody else that's gonna cues the sex crimes. I think the biggest difference is at least from a perspective of Michael Jackson. His impact on me was much bigger than there's a remember wearing the sh the shiny silver loves a kid. I remembered thriller, I watched black or white remember so many moments pivotal with a my childhood that Michael Jackson was a part of. To this day. I can't help it is probably my top five favorite songs of all time. Off the wall. Definitely in my top five of most amazing. I'd say piece of music. In my top five. I'm deathly afraid of seeing something that tarnishes that image for me. And given where we are in twenty nineteen and I'll say this has been going on for a few years. Now, we tend to cancel everybody. There are certain things that you probably cannot come back from dead or alive. I think that if you're a molesting children that is something I'm going to have a hard time coming back from. I do not know what I'm going to see if I watch it. But I don't think that I'm prepared. To go through that. If that makes much sense. This is the same rather saw people fall out for when they saw it. Like the power that he had he was beyond save before onset. Like the onset has a, you know, a c- full of women follow her that beehive is strong. I said some shit about beyond saying, I think my first year, my podcast and definitely have people come in from my head telling me crazy. Michael Jackson was that for everyone. Black white male female didn't matter. Everybody loved MJ. So I'm kind of interested to see, and it's kind of an experiment. How people are going to react to this. Will they be so quick to cancel him? Like, an are Kelly, or frankly like Bill Cosby? Because of what they thought were transgressions that he did. Like, I don't have those answers yet. Little free to see them. But I'm interested to see two story. Nothing else. It gives me something cool to talk about on a pod. And it's more material. Next question. Do you think that the cancel culture that started with Bill Cosby recently affected R Kelly is good for the world? So backstory, I saw Michael Eric Dyson last night. I'm sure everybody's seen him. Once he on all types of new shows kill model. Whatever else might have read a book or two. He paints himself as being the hip hop. Speaking theological, and electrical, you know, black man don't do. He challenged. My notion of cancelling people. And I'm probably going to screw up the phrase, but he said something to the extent of. Don't cancel people that you agree with. No, don't cancel people that you don't agree with because one day that culture might also cancel you. His argument was that the totality of somebody's body of work should outweigh some of the sense that they've done not all of them sung. He wasn't advocated for our Kelly because he let everyone else thinks you dirt bag you need to go down. But he used people like con- you west is an exam. If you've heard me I've been the biggest person that's giving up on kind yet. Governor my easies stop bump into music. Unfiled them, one Twitter, all of these things were frankly things that I enjoy that. I thought that were great. I got rid of because I did not want to support somebody that thought was doing things that were so destructive to the culture. Now, he made the point of bringing up the infamous Taylor swift wearing and how that wasn't necessarily about him or frankly beyond said. But how black people specifically feel marginalized and are always coming in second for people who they are supremely more talented than people they work harder than and that's not the denigrate anybody else's skill level or the talent. But let's be real beyond say's video was way better than Taylor. Swift's? In net spoke to me because certainly Connie's than a lotta before he lost his mind when it was still backpack rapper like he was speaking that shift to all of us only know if he wrote it all, but he definitely had some stuff that made us all thank you saw us through his actions. As he starts to lose his grip on reality. And that's what I'm gonna assume. It is things changed in. Now. He's the maga- hat were undo who walks around with like sweatpants does a micro suction because he's a car dashing and his world is kind of turned upside down we've all decided to shun them. Because now he's different from us. I don't know the right answer for that. Because I still feel a certain kind of way. So what I thought our has destructive actions and behavior. But maybe throwing him away. Wasn't the smart move. If nothing else it gives me something that think about in. I think that all of us. Should think about the things that were so quick to give up on? Especially when we think about the the kind of deeds of a person. Life is long. We've all made mistakes. So if I was cancelled for any mistake that I made which I'm sure I have been. Stack that up against your worst mistake. And let's go toe to toe to see what's what? And if you still feel like that, I should be cancelled dude at, but maybe that allows you to have some compassion for that situation. Next question. This one happens to be area specific. Did the weatherman being wrong? Make you angry. So like anybody else? I think that. You get snow in the forecast. It's supposed to rain. Maybe one day. We think it's going to be hot and sunny, and it's not. Why the fuck is the weather man, always wrong. In another real answer. You can't predict the weather shits. Fuck an unknown. No. I get that. But as a person who got the chance to leave work day and do absolutely nothing with the rest of my day before up much answer goes to another game. I'm over the weather man being wrong. Two weeks ago? We were supposed to get like, I think light dust and gas seven inches of snow today was supposed to be, you know, a big town icestorm something something going on a look on my window, and it just looked map peaceful. So I fucked up my game. That's stuck in traffic on the home from work because everybody else got let off disease an awful what? Now as a person who? In twenty eleven I believe. I got stuck in ice storm in DC that it's eight hours to get from work to home. I had a full workday in the car. Shovelling shit out. I mean trying to help people push cars up and down streets because once one person got stuck nobody could get by. That was a terrible day. And I was so happy to get back to LA at following a week because I never wanted to deal with that should again, boy was I stupid for moving back here permanently. Last question. Would you be willing to try Kripa cola from the new killer, Mike show trigger warning? So I don't know if anybody else has seen this or even tried to give it a show kill Mike has a show on Netflix. It's like five episodes Matt interest limit because you know, he's the guns helping pro black kind of radical leftist kind of person and the idea behind cripple Colo's that. Hells angels. Somebody's kind of violent white biker gangs of made a brand that people are comfortable with. As a person who's literally never worn a hells angel shirt because my mom would have. I talked killed me. Because my shirt said how second she would have been like who do you think you are third. The only confederate flag thing that I think my mom was okay. With me watching dukes of hazzard in shit would have been like it is in twenty nineteen dukes of hazzard Whitney been on the show or been on TV. Look it up. They had a confederate flag on a car. Everybody had a deuce a hazard car. Yup. Ahead that warrant fucking piece of shit. But I wouldn't pedal down the street, not realizing what the fuck it was go figure. But back to the Chris. So killing mice whole idea was that we need to rebrand the things that we do. So that they're more acceptable for other people. And can we do that with something like the Crips who started out as sort of like a brotherhood? Miss me with that ship role. Like if a crip wants to turn cool and does all the right things. And I don't want any problem with the gang brothers got. No beef with me can't use that name and flip shit to all be cool. Like, I would love for them to try to come up with some klu Klux Klan fuck shit. Yeah. This is the klu Klux Klan official road, everybody rock one. Nobody's buying mecha- brew. And yes, I get it. Crips don't really go out committing crimes against other regular people or white people, frankly, but they're all afraid of them. I don't give a fuck. We gotta start making this crazy false moral equivalency abo- certain things, you'll if you push drugs, probably isn't the best thing. I get it. The Kennedy sold liquor daddy. Kennedy got rich some liquor, and that's how they were able to have all of this stuff up in Maine. That's how old brothers became senators. I understand all the debt you can start doing something legal and move into legitimate business shot out the whole still my favorite rapper. But I sale at to say. I'm not really trying to support things like that. When there's so many other positive things that I could support that have less of a negative connotation. If the cribs just wanted to say, the crypts and dudes in Atlanta, just they had money tied it together, they decided to do something good look himself. I'm going to champion Natia all day, but I'm not drinking some real sugar fucking soda water that they may even if it's as good, I'm often shoe. So yeah, check out trick a warning ad for net. Flicks fed off to kill a Mike. A not promise that this episode will be short. There were just a few things that I wanted to say. I didn't even get the chance to really be funny. But. I wanted us to think of all things as we see things kind of taking whole and in twenty nineteen. The theme around this not necessarily canceling people because things that they've done. I don't know if I'm gonna vote for Kamla Harris. I don't care if you're gonna vote for calmly hairs. Let's just remember knack the cancel somebody because it's something you may or may not have done and a previous lifetime. Everybody's a Saint now. Nobody wants to be a center. And like that. And every episode saying the same thing. Ballplayers wanna rap rappers on a bull. My name's Devereaux of the real world. And I'll see you guys next week. Geez.

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From the Vault: The Gordian Knot of Race

Stuff To Blow Your Mind

42:50 min | 2 years ago

From the Vault: The Gordian Knot of Race

"When you're hiring. You don't wanna waste time. You want an efficient way to get to your shortlist of qualified candidates. That's why you need indeed dot com used by over three million businesses post a job in minutes, set up screener questions than zero in on qualified candidates using intuitive online dashboard, and when you need to hire fast, accelerate your results with sponsor jobs. New users contri- for free at indeed dot com slash stuff. That's indeed dot com slash stuff. Terms, conditions, and quality standards apply. Hey, welcome to stuff to blow your mind. My name is Robert lamb, and I'm Joe McCormick. And it's Saturday. It's time for a vault episodes. So I think today we're running an episode that you Julie did back in when was this one two thousand fifteen. Yeah. This would have been March thirty first twenty fifteen and and it's a pretty serious and sober episode, titled the Gordian knot of race the deals with a lot of issues related to unconscious racial bias. So this episode is obviously few years old at this point. But the content holds up really. Well, I think it's just a as relatable today as it wasn't 2015. All right. Well, I guess let's jump right into the episode. Welcome to stuff to Blair mind from how stuff works dot com. Hey, wasn't acceptable your mind. My name is Robert land. I'm Julie Douglas. And as promised this episode is all about race. That's right. We promise to bring you the Gordian knot of race in Gordian knot. We use that phrase because in Greek in Rome in the fella g the Gordian knot wasn't extremely complicated knot tied by Gorgias. I king and Asia Minor in this not has come to symbolize a complicated, and seemingly unsolvable problem. But here's the crux here if you want to solve it it requires novel in bold actions, and we're trotting out as metaphor today because we're discussing the Gordian knot of race as it exists here in the United States. Yes, here United States where we have a black president. And as will discuss how I just framed the problem is in itself, a slippery slope of logic that leads to questions like we'll how can racial inequity exist in a country. With a black president, right? Because this is this idea that after all this outward evidence of racism, isn't there anymore? Right. The we feel like maybe racism has receded into the shadows. And something like the klu Klux Klan, there are not hanging out visibly anymore. At least and that leads us to something even more pernicious in. It's called racism without racists. Yeah. You mentioned the bold actions of solving the the Gordian knot earlier. And of course, the the classic example of that is that Alexander the great shows up and just cut it in half and say, I solved or not, and you know, that works in the Greek myth, but it with with with racism, you see some you see a number of different false solvings of the of the riddles of false unraveling of the not, for instance, was sort of Alexander. The great move of cutting it in half is sort of like saying, hey, look there are no overt racist in my image. Immediate sphere of influences. There are no over racist in my workplace in in this leads to people saying such kind of stupendous things as oh we live in a post racist world post race world. And of course, all of that's completely false. Because even if you do not have overt racism, if you don't have, you know, hate groups in your immediate midst with outright and open discrimination in your workplace it cetera. You still have the reality of unsuspecting people who see the world through a racially biased wins. That's right because you have subtler forms of racism and it persists within the cultural fabric has we'll discuss today. Sun hill Milan is a professor of economics at Harvard, and in an opinion piece for the New York Times he participated this problem of racism without racists, quote, ugly pockets of conscious bigotry remain in this country. But most discrimination is more insidious the urge to find and call out the biggest is powerful and doing so is satisfying. But it is also a way to let ourselves off the hook rather than point fingers outward. We should look inward and examine how despite best intentions. We discriminate. In ways big and small so while there may be good intentions behind this notion of see no color. It actually does a disservice to trying to achieve equality. Yeah. And I think that Stephen Colbert always did a great job of that. On the Kobe report. He had the recurring bit where he would say. I don't see race people. Tell me I'm white because x and then there would be some sort of punch line that implied the the the the innate racism of Stephen Colbert, the character because you have to say that you don't see race that race doesn't factor into your into your daily life even into your perception of those around. You is is is ludicrous. Because when you when is we're going to discuss in this episode when you when you look below the surface, there is there is a lot going on there there is there is a tremendous amount of scientific research that shows that that people do notice race ginger wealth. Wait, it's cetera that we see all of these things, even if we don't want to believe that we see these things we see them. And we factor them into our judgments of others right now. According to psychologists Daniel, conman, we think both fast and slow fast. Meaning that we rely on patterns that determine. Unconscious decision making that we call sometimes intuitive judgment in slow meaning the couple of factors that were actively consciously weighing when we're making a decision and within this configuration. There is something called implicit bias. And that plays directly into fast thinking now, the National Center for state courts writes that unlike explicit bias which reflect the attitudes or beliefs that one endorses at a conscious level implicit bias is the bias in judgment and or behavior that results from subtle cognitive processes, so implicit attitudes and implicit stereotypes, and that they often operate at a level below conscious awareness and without intentional control in these sort of implicit biases they develop over time. And usually it's because of some sort of social connection, this can be your family in this sort of implicit bias that they may have that you have for yourself. It can be your friends. It can be. Just people that you even look up to and what their views are now, you could also have it from an accumulation of personal experience. And I'm talking about experiences that connect certain racial groups with fear or other negative effects the National Center for state courts talks about a study in which white individuals who scored highly on measures of implicit racial bias also reacted to images of unfamiliar black faces with stronger Migdal activation. So we've talked about this before they a is associated with emotional learning in fear conditioning. So you see implicit bias played out in that way, those kind of associations which played directly into bring processes, and then you know, that people share a common social understanding of stereotypes. So again here is implicit bias kind of leaking into the cultural fabric. So maybe you don't subscribe to that particular stereo. Type. But the fact that it's in our culture, and it may be bandied about music that you may be passively absorbing it into your own world view. Yeah. I mean, they're like symbols which we've discussed at length before this symbol is out there in the symbol is is informing your mind at times at a subconscious level, and the same can be said of any of these of these various stereotypes for different racial groups, again patterns at the subconscious level. And then there's something called implicit egoism, which is basically that we tend to prefer people like ourselves. However, we define that. And at the surface level that tends to be how we look. So there there are those different ways that implicit bias begins to seep into our lives. Now when it comes to measuring implicit bias. We have a very handy and in proven tool at our disposal. It comes to from university of Washington psychology, professor Anthony Greenwald. Created the implicit association test or the IRA t in nineteen ninety eight and he and a few associates, they they they put it out there. They they continue to develop it incense. They initially rolled it out the test. It's been used in more than one thousand research studies around the world and more than ten million versions of the test have been completed at an internet site that we're going to have a call out for later with the I t. And and I encourage everyone to take it. We we both took it. And it's a very it's a very interesting experience. And you'll see wise. I explain it. Here you have to categorize a sequence of words or images such as a black face or white face and words as such as good bad by pressing one of to labelled buttons. So for instance, you might be instructed to press the left button when you see a black face or whenever a negative word appears. Okay. So, you know, black face shows that push that left button. The word distrustful shows up he pushed that left button. Then the right, but then you press the right button when you see a white face or a positive word so Whiteface, trustworthy, or somewhere to of that nature. But then they flip it around. Okay. So you have to press one button for black positive and one for white negative. And then and this is where the the into interference effects come into play individuals who associate black with. Bad will respond much more slowly when black and good share the same response button. Now, I I don't know if you had the same experience when you were taking this online, but and again, I was coming into this after reading about how it works. But you really do kind of feel your mind being pulled in half on some of these where you're having to to stop and think all right. Wait what? Which which side am I am. I associating this word with versus versus the other side. Yeah. It's kind of like the Stroup test in that way. Because it really it really takes a lot of attention because you already have that pattern down and said they begin messing with the pattern. And that's where they find that space where they can kind of ferret out. You're the delay time. Right. And also your choices because sometimes you'll get it wrong, and it will tell you right choice. And and it gives you a bit of insight, but they're also gives you a about five to ten questions about just your general feelings about. About politics. Right. And then later on more specifically about how you feel about Europeans versus African Americans and so on and so forth. So some of you do have to try to bring a bit of awareness to what your feelings are ends. You have to be really honest about it too and doesn't take long at all to to fill it out. But it it's amazing how much debt that has especially, you know, if you're just comparing it to which X man, are you a test on on the internet now against since. This was initially rolled out has been used a lot in the end the stats really backup. It's affective nece. In fact, when it comes to race seventy percent of those who took a version of the test that measures racial attitudes have an unconscious or implicit preference for white people compared to blacks, and you can compare that to a twenty percent self reporting percentile, so the individuals who took his particular version of the test. Twenty percent of them are are are self. Reporting that they prefer the white faces that they have a preference for the white faces. But seventy percent are actually proving that out based on their delay times said they're reporting isn't adding to what their actual actions. Right. And this shows how they're really cutting into this test. They're really cutting into that implicit bias to that level of bias that we're not aware of and our daily life. This just going on under the surface of our conscious Coug nation. Now, a two thousand nine meta analysis headed by Anthony Greenwald, who of course, invented the thing looked at one hundred twenty two published and unpublished reports of one hundred eighty four different research studies, and they've found that in socially sensitive areas, especially black white interracial behavior. The test had significantly greater predictive value than self reports. Again, that's seventy versus twenty million mentioned overall. This meta-analysis study looked at numerous uses of the IOT, including consumer preference. Black white interracial behavior personality differences clinical phenomena, alcohol and drug use non-racial intergroup, behaviour, gender and sexual orientation close relationships and political preferences and across all nine of these areas measures of the tests were useful in predicting social behavior. Now, it's worth noting that in consumer in political preferences, both self reporting and implicit measures effectively predicted the behavior but self reports had significantly greater predictive validity. So again, this test kind of serves to to prove out how much of our decision making and judgment is is taking place below the surface mean the good news is that implicit bias is malleable to some degree, and it's responsive to the person's motives environments. And we'll talk about that more later. Hey, everybody. We've got a pretty fun sponsor for you today. Pop culture is full of evil robots program to take over the world in the real world is full of AI technology, sometimes seems to be hurting humans instead of helping but vector that good robot is a giant roll forward for robot kind. He's a robot sidekick that lives in your home. Seriously. He's a curious little robot who knows your name and wants nothing more than to be your robot best friend. 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And and also important factor and just being one of the cornerstones of humanity. Right. Like, that's part of the whole cooperative where we're all signing into this agreement that we're going to try to help and support each other as much as possible. Well, not all of us have signed that. But you know, generally, that's the idea in trying to survive as a species. So you would think that empathy would be hardwired in all of us and to some degree it is. But in may be that levels, of empathy exist now in a two thousand thirteen study called racial bias in perceptions of others pain by trial. Walter at all this idea of the racial empathy gap was explored, the researchers asked participants to rate how much pain Lee would feel an eighteen different scenarios. We're talking about anywhere from stubbing your toes to get. King shampoo in your I yeah, is is the worst. Then they rated how another person a randomly assigned photo of an experimental target would feel in the same situation. And sometimes the target was white sometimes black in each experiment. The researchers found that white participants block participants in nurses and nursing students assumed that blacks felt less pain than whites. And the researchers were really interested in that, particularly like why why other black people might think that black people experience painless is. So they didn't follow up. Studies trying to drill down a bit more as to the cause here, and they found that the more privilege assumed of the target the more pain the participants perceived for that person. So this is very closely tied to race because we're talking about. Privilege and the socio economic status of that person. And the reason for this misperception of pain, this idea that black people could endure more pain or have less pain was directly related to this assumption that that because black people face more hardships. They wouldn't feel as much pain. This was their conclusion. So basically, the subconscious level the brain is saying that person has experienced more pain in their life. Probably. And therefore, they're a little more used to pain. They can they can handle it. Right. And again, they they bring up the semantics here because they're talking more about privileged people versus non-privileged people. But they're also seeing the racial bias here because the assumption with the stereotype also is that the less privileged person would be the black person. Gotcha. Now additional studies have looked into this the situation including a tooth. Thousand ten Italian study from the university in Rome and the study took both Italians and and and black Italians Italians of African descent, and they watched short films depicting needles penetrating a person's hand or a Q tip a gently touching the same spot. And then they measured their their their their impetus response to that did a footage. So the results which lineup what we've been discussing here people watching the painful episode responded, in a way that was specific to the particular muscle. They saw being stimulated when the film character. It was the same race. But those of a different race it didn't it didn't evoke the same Cynthia motor response. Now, they conducted further studies where the researchers tested individuals responses to pain inflicted on models with violet hands. Now. I read this violent ones initially in the study which really threw me off, but violet colored hand. So the. Essentially throwing in a third existent race of violet colored people. Okay. So in these cases, the participants empathetic response was restored. So in other words, since they have no script for what violet colored people would would deal with in terms of pain in their life. They just revert to normal there like me, which is an interesting an interesting fact wit, and then there's a two thousand fourteen university of Virginia psychology study that looked at children specifically they looked at American children between seven and ten this good. They looked at American children, and they found it children between seven and ten reported that black children Phil less pain than white children. So here we see explicit bias emerging in early childhood. And now the zero evidence for racial bias in the study among study participants at the age of five and younger, but the bias began showing up among participants at the age of seven and then pick. Came prominent at the age of ten so this is this is an area that researchers are still exploring because obviously as we've discussed we have the the explanation that well, it's based on on what you you think the the personal history for an individual of this race is and what are they they fall in the socioeconomic spectrum. But it's you know, it it's kind of a lot to expect that level of of judgment going on with children that are seven to ten right. So to what extent is that going on or to what extent is this tied to explicit egoism is a good question is just it's a pretty stunning study. Because I to know that children that young would be developing those ideas in expressing them at least unconsciously or even overtly is really disturbing, and I think kind of parts the curtain of the curtains of the brain to give us more insight into how things are working undercover. Jason Silverstein in his article. On this. Very topic wrote, quote, the racial empathy gap helps explain disparities in everything from pain management to the criminal Justice system. But the problem isn't just that people disregard the pain of black people it somehow even worse. The problem is that the pain isn't even felt in other words empathy is not being engaged. And when empathy isn't being engaged than your objectify that person, and that's that's where your your cornerstone of humanity is crumbling. Yeah. So I mean, I mean it plays into everything from you see a story about some sort of misfortune happening to an individual in of another race on television. And you're less involved in the story it plays into your just your your ability to interact with everyone around you like, are you engaging with the same level, of empathy are you on the same page or you're giving the same value to to everyone in your surroundings know, and that's what was so interesting about that implicit assoc-. Patient test AT I too because that yeah, I suspected that I would have some racial biases. But and I came out as slight on the test. They don't say, hey, you're a racist. They say that you have a slight preference for European Americans. But still like, that's it's unsettling to think that this may have been playing out in different ways that I operate in the world. And so that's why I think it's still important for people to try to to drill down a bit into themselves in figure out how it might be playing out because this would make the difference. You have searched for a house before. Yes. Yes. Couple times. Yeah. That the grueling work of trying to find some sort of housing, and it turns out that again, the the racial bias exist here in the housing market. John Taylor, the president and chief executive of the national community reinvestment coalition, which helps improve housing. An underserved communities told the New York Times in an interview that polling shows that many Americans think financially stable customers have the same opportunities to obtain. Good housing for guardless of race. Again. This is the see no color logic. Right. And this just isn't. So because there is a two thousand and thirteen national study that was commissioned by the federal department of housing and urban development, and they've found some startling inequities of they had eight thousand tests here they had one white and one minority tester of the same gender age posing as equally well-qualified renters or buyers visiting the same housing provider or agent and in more than half of the test cases. Both testers were shown the same number of apartments or homes. But in cases, where one tester was shown more homes or parts. The white tester was usually favored leading to a higher number of unit shown to whites and overall black perspective. Renters were presented eleven percent fewer rentals than whites Hispanics about twelve percent, fewer rentals and Asians about ten percent fewer rentals and as perspective buyers black. Were presented presented seventeen percent fewer homes an Asians fifteen percent fewer homes. So what's interesting about this is that it plays out an individual scenarios, and you can look at that information. If you want you can see these individuals scenarios where once the the real agent found out that this person was black or Hispanic. They would actually cancel the appointment. So there were cancelled points and so on and so forth. But with they also found is that white testers were more frequently offered lower rents told that deposits and other moving costs were negotiable or requoted a lower price and taking into account these deposits, rents apartments were more likely to cost white slightly less than the first year rental than bucks might pay. So it's not you. It's it's it's an issue of access to housing, but it's also an issue to the cost of housing as well. And by the way, these tests were performed in twenty eight metropolitan areas. With no substantial difference across cities or regions in it's not just housing. There was a study about you Peter Siegelman, and they found that more than three hundred pared audits at new car dealerships reveal that dealers quoted significantly lower prices to white males than to black or female test buyers, and they were using the identical scripted bargaining strategies for the same model of car. Okay. So there was no variation in here because they were trying to do the exact replicated scenario over and over again. The only difference, of course, was gender and race in the black test buyers were offered initial prices roughly seven hundred dollars higher and they received for smaller concessions. So, you know, this would have bells and whistles that dealer might throw in on a car for you. 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We of course, we also see implicit bias come into play in the workplace whether one gets a job or not whether one is paid an appropriate amount in amount that is on the level with other individuals with the same skill set, expertise, etc. For instance, just to look at some quick since his stats from two thousand thirteen US census stats black men were paid seventy five percent of what white men were paid white women, by the way, we're paid seventy eight percent of what white men were paid. And African American women were paid sixty four percent of what white men were paid. But that's once the paycheck is actually in play when it comes to even just getting a job and having the chance to have a fair shot at a position the bias comes into play in some some really startling ways. They're a couple of studies that look at this one is a two thousand three study, titled are Emily in Greg more employable than Lakisha engine mall, a field experiment on labor market discrimination. This was published in American. Economic review any casts. Some interesting light on all of this. Now what they did. The researchers mailed out thousands of resumes to employers with job openings in measured which ones were selected for call backs. For interviews. Some of these were randomly tagged with stereotypically African American names such as the title suggest Jamal or Lakisha and some with stereotypically white names like like, Emily or Greg. Okay. So what they found was that the same resume was roughly fifty percent more likely to result in a callback for an interview if they had a white name fifty percent fifty percent, and then in two thousand nine another study actually tried this out in person, I sent in actual people for low wage job interviews identical resumes identical interview training, and yet they found that African American applicants with no criminal record were offered jobs at the at a rate as low as white applicants with a criminal record. Now in terms of discriminating against African American names. We can also look to healthcare, and we see a study supporting this bias at two national conferences when seven hundred twenty doctors were shown patient histories and asked to make judgments about heart disease. They were much less likely to recommend cardiac catheterization, which would be really helpful procedure to black patients, even when they're medical files were statistically identical to those of white patients. Now, here's another study about racial bias in healthcare in this one though takes more of a generational approach. And it's interesting there were two hundred two first year medical students at Johns Hopkins who participated in implicit association tests. All right. That was the tests that we talked about earlier sixty nine percent had unconscious bias toward whites and fourteen percent innately favored black. They also determined that eighty six percent of the students has subconsciously favored upper-class people. Again, there's that that privileged bias there. Well, just three percent showed a preference for those of the lower class. So here's the thing about the first year med school students. They found that the unconscious preferences of students did not affect how they assessed or treated patients of various races. And incomes depicted in the scenarios, and this is good news. Because this is saying is that this generation may have been exposed -education curricula focused on cultural competency, and that help them to improve their awareness in the management of their unconscious preferences, so while the racial bias existed their behaviors stemming from it, we're not affected. Which is a bit of a bright spot information. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's that's definitely a bright spot. But when you start breaking down like all the ways that that racial bias explicit and implicit disadvantage an individual. I mean, it's really staggering because we talked about studies that have they've looked into how it affects the purchase of a vehicle the renting of an apartment acquiring a job. But other studies have looked at how it negatively impacts a person of of colors ability to get a response from their legislator here back about research opportunities added university receive fair treatment from jury wants to even found that a white hand holding an ipod received twenty one percent more offers than a black hand holding these same ipod on EBay, so yeah, it ends up impacting like pretty much every area of your life. You know, healthcare schools every and interaction comes with a potential handicap all the little things we in life. That we take for granted in as well as the big things like dealing with employment, and and and law enforcement, it's it's staggering well in the housing thing. I thought was particularly unsettling because not only are people giving less choices they were sometimes shuttled into different communities. And so, you know, the the real estate agents or real estate companies were actually trying to get, you know, the their black clients to go into black neighborhoods and said this begins to affect what your choices are in schools as well. And so you see that play out as you say all these these little all these little choices combined with the big choices that are essentially stacked against you at the end of the day that stack just becomes massive overwhelming. Yeah. I mean, I I can't help. But think of things like this in dungeons and dragons terms, it's like having a character sheet with all your stats, and then someone says, oh, just go ahead, and knock, you know, five off of all your stats. You know, all. All your your your your abilities, and your potential that'd be grossly unfair in any, you know, micro reality of a game. But it's the kind of inequality that is everywhere in the real world. Yes. Like that dollar Bill analogy that we talked about in the school to prison pipeline. You know, if you're if everybody's at the starting line initially, and then you have to keep taking steps back because you you're being handicapped, then you're not going to get to that dollar Bill as fast right in that dollar Bill represents your future. And moreover, you have to then shoulder if you're a person of color, you have to shoulder those stereotypes that are put upon us. So there's also this expectation that's a albatross psychologically, and then it's playing itself out in these real world scenarios. Yeah. So it would seem that to change this to have a paradigm change in racial biases to try to get to a place of equality would all hinge on empathy again. The willingness to empathize in nothing is greater motivator, of empathy. Then someone trying to imagine what it would be like for themselves. And of course, we've got a study for this. And of course, it has to do with a rubber hand again feel like the rubber hand said he just keeps popping up two thousand and thirteen study conducted by the European research. Council and published in cognition used this rubber hand illusion to get participants in the mindset of one another and it's really effective. We've talked about it before it plays into something called pro precept of drift. And that's where your mind essentially, adopts the fake Lim as its own and then reacts to it when the fake hand has touched while at the same time, the experimental is touching the participants own hand, which is hidden out of you. So that's how this setup this allusion works now using Caucasian participants. The researchers in this case tested the participants impl-. Visit attitudes towards people with dark skin, then they used a dark skinned rubber hand to make them feel as if it was their own hand afterward. They tested participants racial attitudes after the experiment and the results will the more intense. The participants allusion of owning the dark skin rubber hand the more positive, they're racial attitudes came or became afterward. And it's because this allusion created an empathy overlap, creating less differences in the mind of the non white participants getting them to that place, of empathy that they needed to be on. Yeah. I mean so much of what we're talking about here. Just brings me back to the the admittedly tired and worn out analogy. Don't judge a book by its cover. Right. But yet as we've discussed that's that's what our brain does. Our brain is has a certain economy to it. It has to process all of the stimuli at at a pretty fast rate. So. Ends up. Judging books on covers because that is sometimes ineffective way of figuring out what's inside of a book. But, but if we can actually stop to consider what's behind the book to consider at least slip it over read the back. Right. You have a lot, more empathy. You I have a lot more understanding of what's going on. And you have even potentially a better ability to just distinguish we see a lot of this in law enforcement and granted the whole the whole discussion of law enforcement in race is an entire topic unto itself, but you do see a lot of research coming out of that area two thousand nine Brown University and university of Victoria, researchers developed a new measurement system in protocol, which they call it effective lexical priming scores or Alps to train Caucasian subjects to recognize different African American faces. And it's it's has a certain amount in common with the IT that we we already discussed. It's a lot of looking at faces and then teaching the individ-. To sort of stop and look beyond their initial judgment. Call that face essentially in other words, teaching people to notice the difference between the beneath or behind the all too easy classification of race. Which is again. Yes. Looking beyond the cover of that book. And it's as you said there, there is a kind of pattern recognition that works behind the scenes again, it's that fast slow thinking that we can't necessarily help because that's how our brains work, but we can't help it insulin down in recognizing that racial biases exists. So that the next time that we go through that process, we've tended and there's there's an awareness there. Yeah. I feel like this is a common theme that comes up in the in the podcast is that like so a mere awareness of how you're thinking. And why you're thinking is not, you know, cure all, but it's so often the first step in addressing the situation, just realizing how your? Dealing with the situation. How you're judging the situation. How your processing the information that's coming into your brain. Well, especially if you consider it as a behavior because we can change our behaviors. Right. If you think that you are just inherently going to be racially biased. Then you're probably not going to change your behaviors. Right. Because you think that's a part of who you are. But if you realize that some of it is just this background noise that you've absorbed culturally, maybe within your family, then you understand that to be a sort of behavioral loop in the brain. That can be changed. We urge everybody go and test your hidden bias, you can do this at tolerance dot org. They're actually a bunch of different kinds of biases that you can test it against gender race religion. It's fascinating. And it will help you to come to a better understanding of how you operate in the world. Yeah. Plus just the the process of taking the test is just kinda. It's a little mind-blowing. It's an interesting experience. So I recommend it even if you're just into tests on a mental level, right? You can see it because you're like see the pattern issue messing with my brain. And then they messed with your brain. And you're not quite sure if it happened. It's it's nice trickery and test taking also check out the excellent radio and love podcast episode called silver dollar. It's really fine storytelling. It is first person narrative about what is to be a subject of racial bias and how one man dealt with it. So I I can't recommend that enough. It's great. And if you want to check that out if you want to go to that tolerance that orga link that we mentioned both of those will be included on the landing page for this podcast episode at stuff to blow your mind dot com. That's also where you will find all of our blog posts, Oliver videos, all of our stuff that we've. Done. That's the mothership and wanna reiterate to that. Again. We did not cover a law enforcement or the legal system when it comes to racial bias. This is a topic unto itself. So if you have any thoughts on this topic or any future ones that you would like to recommend to us. You can do that. By emailing us, at below the mind how stuff works dot com. 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"From a girl. Talk about goals with Kevin used us. Yes wonderfully. It is Sunday and you know that means don't you. That's right. It's the day after Saturday the day the proceeds Mundi and most importantly it is the day that we choose to talk about ghost. Yes. Those things that walk through walls walk through closed doors and walk through our minds terrifying sprinkling disaster everywhere they go. Maybe not disaster but you get the picture anyway it's Sunday it's time for the Sunday sermon Array I. Hope you would all. Well, you're fantastically indubitably well. I do hope so. So what are we going to do this week? Well, like the title of the show says we are going to talk about ghosts I've got exciting news view guys. Yes, I do of course this Wednesday there'd be no we don't need to talk about ghosts because it is time for a a dark paranormal episode. Yes to there will be a new dock paranormal episode out on. Wednesday but that's not the exciting news new. That's quite run of the mill. So to say because that's just what happens. But next week and possibly the week after maybe a two parter. Yes. Pretty on Thursday I have coming up to the flat to tell us all to tell me and Becker. It'll be three way podcast to tell us all about their haunted Liverpool flat that they use live in like an Ed Wardi and building we have a very well respected Broadway actor. Actress. Or just say actor the all actors now I don't know I. Don't Know My pc when it comes to that. But yes, she was treading the boards starring in blood brothers all over Broadway. Down South Broadway in London. Whatever the equivalent of Broadway is maybe it's not Broadway I dunno but a big big theater star. Yes who we happen to run into a charity event started talking about ghosts and she said, let me tell you what happened to me in my hope streets flat hope street being one of the oldest street liberal. And we said, please do and then I said hold on in fact, don't. WanNa hit a fresh and can you please come to our for a flat to tell us all about it? So that might be to power to because I believe in my mind the way it's going to go she's GonNa. Tell us all about how haunted experience I believe there's some poltergeist activity that tool it is exciting, and then maybe next week she will return to tell us about general theory haunting experienced which will be so exciting and we may do something ran over a Patriot episode whether as well where we just ask silly questions. Yes. Speaking of Patriots, it is of course that time when we like to say a big, thank you to all of our new wonderful patrons and I thank you Laura Existent Patriots. If you're not yet a Patriot you are missing out, we put out extra shows a week over Patriot. 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In, other news the end of this week. Yes. Friday I will speak into my good pal and wrestling superstar Mr Chris Jericho yes. A former WWE and current eighty w fame and of course, lead singer of the band. Fauzi I will be speaking with him on his podcast. Talk is Jericho. Yes. It won't out this weekend recall and I think Friday we've agreed. I'll be in a probably hopefully in time for Halloween. Let you know. Anyway, this is my show now. So Shelby clackamas from spooky stuff is that an around resounding? Yes. Is it going? Say it again? I hope somebody asked anyway and if you have well done for taking part yes let's get some spook on. A. Yes, it's time once more I delve into the news and see what we things have been happening this week. Well, it would appear that were close to an alien invasion if a video taken an south, Carolina is anything to go by yes. In the little town of Spartanburg back, some students would be messing around take taking some videos and stuff when all of sudden they noticed someone staring at the sky they asked this guy what's going on and he points in the direction were they all see a series of lights floating around in no Steph omission? But in a way, which is quite ominous and very eerie. Yes. Won't competitor to an Alien Fleet while others suggested it was atmospheric electricity and one person said it was perhaps ice crystals in the cloud catching light Haley who took the video said, one of her friends said, it could be the stalling satellites alone spice space x, but helias and convinced convinced. She says, I don't think it's that. Simply, because you can see the lights in the darkest of clouds and in the brightest of spots, it just didn't look like something natural to me impassable Haley's keeping an open mind about what it is. However A, you have only Sacha Scott wearing believes the videos proof of contact with extra terrestrial 's owners ufo sightings daily blog he says the eyewitness and his family I'll. Him An un-american accent. The eyewitness and his family were standing in the backyard when he noticed the sparkling in the clouds above the sparkling continued for several minutes an happened in different locations but always in the cloud, the sparkling is. From definitely from a fleet of. orbs it's a fantastic catch. Well I apologize for my ex thirty Scott. Probably doesn't sound like that but there we go in Spartanburg South Carolina UFO's coming to take over half and we should ask in twenty twenty. Would it be a bad thing I for one think naught. But that does conclude this week's Hawkin queered. League. And we are back and we're going to stop the spooky. Shenanigans right away just to let you know. Obviously, we've got a lot of people get in touch regarding the end of last week's episode of what it was, but it could be They'll go over that more than the mid point about some of your theories just to let you know we haven't had much else happened in the flat. We've had the neighbor's cat cheese and a few things with John boy it could just be fly. So that's where we're currently up with Unless something's happened tobacco, not tell me about it which we'll be right like her that we right Laker that would anyway let's go the stories in our first story today our first personal experience should I say not story is not make believe there's a genuine bloody things people anyway our first comes in from a new listener Cynthia Cruz and she sent us a story. It's story it's personal experience she sent us a personal experience, our youth I believe or childhood home. And it goes like this. Hello. Hello. Hello. My name is Cynthia I'm a brand new listener bracket literally started yesterday while this mid. August. And below my ghost story my thank you. Cynthia. So this is your tail. I have a story about a house that I lived in as a child which was definitely haunted. This is in Waterbury Connecticut. My siblings and I were talking about the house a few weeks back and realize that we all had our own paranormal experiences in house. The most activity happened in around the basement slash the basement door. The earliest occurrence in brackets I was seven or eight. I can think of was one night. We were all seated around the kitchen table eating golf snacks before bed. Of, course were horsing around as children do. All parents have been telling us to knock it off a few times. Finally, all mom yelled at us to cut the crap and that she did this, we could hear a pool ball full off of the pool table in brackets located in the basement. and Go hunting off. This of course quieted down quickly and we hurried to get to bed. Wants my brother saw what he described as a Leprechaun. Poke its head from behind the couch and look directly at him. Then hide back behind the couch. My brother said he did not sleep a wink that night a never said anything toss because he thought it was a joke. The rest of us have played in him and he didn't want to know that we got the better of him. But that was not are doing. After, my grandfather passed his sleep the activity was at an all time high. My grandmother would have dreams where she felt like my grandfather was trying to take her with him. Causing to wake up, gasping, choking and crying. This happened every night for the first three months of him being gone. A friend that my grandfather wasn't fond of was using the bathroom. He felt a hand to shoulder looked and there was no one there. Never. Came over again after that. Then, I began seeing blue odds of life. Every time I would go into my grandparent's room in brackets where my grandfather died. I I I would see it from the corner of my eye. then. It was just that in front of me. I couldn't understand what it meant. So I would talk to it hoping it was my grandfather. Shortly, after I began speaking to the old I would see it in different rooms of the house not just my grandparents room. Soon my grandmother helped me believe it was something demonic and I freaked out the next time I saw the ORB. In brackets crying, screaming, telling it to leave me alone the whole nine yards. This was the last time I saw the old sometimes. I. Wish I didn't order the orbital leave I. Believe now that this was a gift I had a no longer possess. But, it does make for some interesting stories. Now, the something about the basements I haven't revealed. The basement was a typical basements with concrete walls, oil tank, and hot water heater. But on the walls the pool table. With three names in brackets I wish I remember what they were. Burundi. These names were years, for example, nineteen, forty, five to nineteen eighty-nine. We always joked around when we were kids that these were people buried in the walls. But now it all seems too real. I know you guys were looking for story, not multiple stories, but I thought this was the best way to deliver experiences. We all felt in child at home. All the best. Cynthia. While while while we while Cynthia that was a great plethora of stories that was amazing and other people buried in your childhood homes walls I like to think just for Sanity Sake. Also, it means that the people play to serial killers and nobody wants that do they not where they live not breathe and definitely not where they play pool WHO's that knocking? My Cue was that you brother was the demon. Demonic off though that's a new take on offs. Isn't it? I'm not a big fan of orbs generally. But if you see them with your naked eye and a luminous blue, that's different than the old speck of does doesn't especially if why would you now trying to convince you? It's a demon AUB What an interesting Nanu must have had anyway said that sincerely, thank you for sending that story because that's amazing I do really like that show we have some more. Yes I think we shall our next two stories coming from often contributor Nina Peterson now remember she sent three stories and prior and they would all blue marvelous. So we're GONNA. Get to more from Nina right now. She says, and this is story before she writes in and the title of the male is, of course, two more stories because it's two stories quite logical rally. Thanks, Nita. She writes story number four, and then she's put in Asterix's I. Mean No offense in any of these terms if you know of more, Tom, please use them. Now the job we've got here is I read these stories fresh out on pre read themself on behalf of Nina I'm sure she means no offense as she states there. So if there's anything to mad out just How edited out I don't quick glance through I. Don't think there's anything intentionally offensive. So I continue, you'll recall from the previous three stories from Nina that went round looking spooky sites basically. So this continues a knock Jones. One of the next sites we decided to check out was an old Klu Klux Klan House in Salem for whatever reason. We went in broad daylight because it wasn't really safe to go at night as it was through the woods that open to a clearing that you had to walk to, and it was very easy to get lost. The house was being preserved as a historical site. The second floor was used as a medical floor and the township was planning on making it a museum. So they'd remove the stairs leading to the doors so we couldn't be vandalized. The house was about four to five feet off the ground. So it was insanely difficult to get to the door without the stairs, and if you did, you only have the extremely small ledge of the look door to stand on which most people couldn't. So as we're walking up to the house, there's a huge tree behind the home with a low hanging branch, which made obvious what it was. I look the tree and I, see a small black. Under the tree. I S J if he sees him and he says, see what? The next thing I know the little boy is gone. Would just walking around looking at the house and I feel like we're being watched. So I look up at the second floor windows and this girl in a Nasr's outfit standing in the window looking at us. I looked at J. I'm back again and she was gone. As explained, there was no way someone could be inside. Were you're you're not anything there's anything offensive in that. Obviously it's a very touchy subject It's an interesting thing which I'm not gonNA get bogged down into because people have different opinions of about what should be capped and. In source of a historic museum sense. So I don't think we should ever. Just. Delete history. It goes without saying the abundance of Cookbooks Kleiner Racism. General. Per Don't think things should be deleted I. think they should be there almost almost. You know for example, the way there's you can visit if you're into that sort of thing like history wise. The Holocaust sites in Poland, etc.. And I think it's important that the are there. So we ought remember how horrible Bastards human beings can be so. I understand why people say just get rid as well. There's arguments to both side of things bought taken away all that just to look at the detail of the story of ghosts. That's a horrific stories and you know little sends a shiver down the spine just thinking about it. Anyway moving on story five. My friends and I were on vacation in Maryland, and we decided to try and find a supposedly haunted place to check out. The campsites store worker told us of a place. So we went out to drive the. I'm sitting in the backseat and we have to drive down this long road that was surrounded by woods and fields and both sides. We passed alone some church and cemetery next to on the road which I thought was odd as there was nothing else nearby on this road. As past the church I got extremely anxious and fearful for no reason at all as I've gotten older, I've been able to better pick up on energies and some spirits have presented themselves to me as images or video images I see that no one else does. When I got the anxious feeling. I knew something was up but something telling me to look on the other side of the road towards the woods. So I did. When I looked over I didn't see anything can started to look forward at the road again. I went to look forward I got a terrifying video like. Of An old woman in a black flowing dress running towards us. As if she noticed, I could see how she tend to head a lot of blue catling scream her faced ten hollow and decrepit with holes like decaying bodies got. I snapped out of it as my friend who was driving let out a loud gasp I asked what was wrong and she said there was this black thing that just run across the road. I told we should probably get out of there and both my friends agreed. When we go back to the campsite, I asked them why they agree to leave as they were both very scared of paranormal things. They both said they felt uneasy like if they continued something, bad would happen. Well Nina Nina Nina. Nino Nino is that an ambulance and if it is please pullover because I just had a heart attack through fear that was terrifying Oh my God I could pitch as saying and as I've said to us all previously before I don't pre read these I, just read them out as I'm going so. My reactions tend to be quite real and not in anyone else's owns I'm sure yours are too. As it was written. I was like Oh my God why she got holes in affects is not that Jesus. Wept woman put your is back in on a nice dress that was terrifying. Nina Nina thank you so much for all five of your stories always terrifying and if you have any more and if anyone listening has a ghost story, that's the point of the show as I say repeatedly week, send them into contact a- talk about ghost dot com and it will lead them out. Well I think we could all do with a little bit of a break after that. So let's have a midpoint. Go put your kettle on if you have a cattle. One of them fancy tops poorer boiling water with shouldn't be around children in my opinion. But anyway, enough of my health and safety announcements, let's have point her ray. then. Then Patton and part than mine podcast is it part and time now tastes and jar jar potent I'm now but lead social distance Parton, your jaw safety there you go social distance German party someone requested and we've had one hurry. So it is the midpoint I hope that you'll fantastic you've got to get yourself maybe some tea, some tiffin's and cake or. Have just broke dream reminder anyone can tell you about it but how you what happened last week you all ask well, I don't know I've listened to the end of last week show over and over and over again, and we've had a hell of a lot of emails as you would expect which I wanted because I wanted opinions on what it was. If. You're unfamiliar of last week's episode. Just go back and listen to the last three minutes of last week's episode. Edits to pick up some movement when I wasn't in the room, it was kind of scary. Of went through up and down this week of rationalize and say, no I. Think I know what that was. That was something that was only even anyway after me phone, it's fell off. That's a the thing which was own easy at the time and unnerving at the time story and is still nothing now is the sound that is not something fallen. It's a sound which is either breath or something bring fabric. And there's two issues. One of its breath what the living folk excuse my French. But I need to get not just to any the plethora of priests please the orbit of Liberation But please find my order of a plethora of priests. Because breathing in this flat went on upper. All it's something rubbing fabric which again, that's still not nice. Oh no no no no the demon isn't breathing for demons don't breathe but they do touch things but again I don't know I don't know. So now we've had people who've said mats are grades Admin has said and also host of the full movie podcast. You should go check that out has said he thinks it's fabric and I completely agree with at the time and then somebody else at notes breath because if you listen to this, then listen to this and then I was like, no, it is breath. So I. Don't know I'm just on now. I do know that will listen to again though I do get freaked out just as much as I did because you know it's the old adage what we talked about many a time on the show. You the believed that it's something completely rational or accept a phantom in the house, and that's just not easy to accept as much as I like to host goes podcasts in remain but. It's different than your own house in. It's all fun and Games when you record in. But when you stop it and he trying to normally go to bed, it's not fun that let's be honest. Anyway, don't forget guys. If you have a story, we do need more stories but going to the way it's GonNa work. You're going to have a bit of time to get them in now because as I say fingers crossed if all goes well, the next two weeks should be taken up by having a special guest on. The next day so they'll be time to build up these stories in time full mobile. The Halloween Spooky is time of the. So what we may end up doing is having like a bumper episode would you be fun? Wouldn't it? She can get logo stories into listen to around Halloween don't forget. We also have our Halloween special coming up today we'll making a plan of how that's. GonNa go I. Not, just trying to persuade you into something to patron but what I will say is I've literally ordered from Amazon today. It's a dash com basically, but it can record continuously for sixteen hours. And we're also getting to trail come from Becker Stepfather, which means that when we go to our haunted hotel in a couple of weeks time, we can fill the entirety of the stay even member sleep women are in the room, obviously a video podcast conscious. So those videos will be going up on the Patriots when we do them however, we are recording the actual Halloween episode there too. So you will hear everything that's gone on on this podcast. You'RE GONNA have to pay for any of that. The audio will all be there. But if we do cut in thin, can only go on the Patriots side. The patron episode I'm going to record a BECA shortly, an upstairs and record with her yes. Is a precursor to what we're going to be discussing with Mr Chris Jericho and a few days, which is famous people and cases be that in films music anything like that. So subscribes the Patriot and you'll find out what we're going to talk about. Foreign Games. Okay. In the meantime and in between time, let's get back to some scary stories I think. So you want to the side. And we offer back with the illest of behaviors we're GONNA go right into it. We have an email from Murray vasic and it's called rocky spirit. I believe it's about an animal go. So let's see what this is all about. When my daughter was about eight years old we had a cat named rocky. He loved daughter above all. After he went missing she would say she could see rocky behind have full-length mirror in her room. I told us she was just wishing to see him. I'm not we all miss him. Week or so later, I was standing in the kitchen and so my daughter will into the bathroom down the. And walking behind her eye soul rocky. No doubt what I saw. He was there. He took one step and disappeared with her into the bathroom. I know what I saw was rockies ghost. Rocking, never came home and I suppose he was killed who fortunately. In brackets I should never have left him out. But his spirit came back for a while to spend some time with Sarah I know this isn't scary, but it's proved to me respect animals. An I know because I sold them. This is one hundred percent true. And that's from Mary Jo and Chicago suburbs USA. While Marriage Oh. Sorry. I just realized a pronounced your daughter's name Sarah instead of Sarah Apologize. So animal spirits interesting. As you know, if you're a longtime listening to the show, not normally I about animal spirits, my opinion on that has changed slightly since the neighbor got a cat. And now the very thought of that cat going outside even just going outside let alone dine just going outside because it's an indoor cat, the neighbor's cat. Terrifies me beyond belief and put a fear of God in me similar to poltergeists are honest. So I'll be honest with you married. That's a lovely tail and I'm all about them. Now turned in your animal stories are preferred Davlantes obviously who doesn't I mean who doesn't love a good bit of demonic possession over a nice little animal ghost. However, if you've gotten animal ghost I'm I'm feeling the love animal ghosts. So send them on. Thank you Mary, that's a lovely story and I'm only slightly disappointed that with the title Rockies Ghost. Ending. Story by saying and even now on a cold winter's night, we can still hear. In the distance anyway it off terrible jokes about boxing. Let's have another true go story. Now, our next email comes in from Tammy. And it's entitled I hated this House. Now there is a trigger warning in the story and I know that you might think well I would you know that for that? You don't read them until you read them out and I don't bought. She's at the top trigger warning domestic abuse slash miscarriage. Okay. So DP guys. So completely down if you want to skip ahead to few minutes. That's the point of trigger warnings rally. Okay. So thank you for sending listen. Tammy. and anxious about what about discover but that's the point of this show. So thank you very much for sending in her we go. This is tummies story. For the record I would like to be a skeptic. I've completed both an undergraduate and a graduate degree in scientific fields, and it is hard to internally reconcile the part of me that knows the supernatural to be real and the professional parts of me. I come from the Philippines were religious faith and belief in the ghost cryptic words and witches go hand in hand. It's hard to explain to someone who doesn't come from a culture like that. If you have to take, you can both ask the Virgin Mary for healing and visit the psychic surgeon a noble. Think you weird for doing either It is commonplace to be walking along the street and our families village with my cousin, a successful surgeon. and. For him to point out a Nipah Haute and casually mentioned that a witch lips there. Maybe, this cultural heritage is the reason that I can believe I don't know. I know this is a long story, but it was a house that left an impression. When I was nine, my family relocated to a new state and rented a house for a few years whilst my parents worked on selling our old house and saving go down payment. It was a tiny split level. The have three bedrooms upstairs stacked over the family room slash master bedroom on the partially subterranean bottom floor, and jetting off to the right was the ground floor with the living room and kitchen. It was a great call, the sack neighborhood in a solid school district with lots of kids and families all around. My parents felt comfortable leaving my sister and me on our own after school or during the summers. It was so common for us to be alone in the house downstairs, watching TV, and to hear distinct and heavy fulfilled walking down the hallway or moving around in the bedroom my parents attend into the longtime storage above us. We would be hanging out watching the prices rights on a Sunni Wednesday morning, and suddenly both ten or heads to stare at the sound of someone stomping around upstairs. At night I would head topping against my will. My Dad told me was a tree branch except one day I went out and realized that though went any trees in that part of the yard around my room and it always sounded like it was coming from the wall I shed with the storage room. Sometimes, we would feel rage in the house and that we needed to get out immediately. Wherever small haunted animal part of our brain picked up on those danger signals completely bypassed Russia thought and spoke directly to feet. It didn't matter if my sister was on a different floor all in a different part of the house when the anger swell like we were both immediately flee outside with no communication between us. We would find ourselves out of breath and awkwardly standing on the front stoop with no way to consciously explain why we drop what we were doing an ran out there. Those were the everyday things we lead to live with them and as children never thought to complain to all parents. Before I get into the two major experiences I had the. I will offer up what information I have that my fucked it into what we felt whilst living there. It was in the American south in the London have been lived on by first nations, people and early settlers to the revolutionary and civil wars had skirmishes in the area but nothing major. The year we planted a garden we tilt up sizable chunks of broken pottery and bits of rotted cloth. It was the early nineties before the Internet's a my dad talked about taking. It's the local State University for identification. But we got busy and he never did second a close with our neighbors on one side but they always invited us over and very rarely came over of all house. I don't know if my mom had asked about it or wall, but one day the mother from next door explained to us the three sets of tenants before us a couple had rented the house and the planning to buy it. The guy was a long haul truck driver with a temper. At some point, the lady became pregnant and in the middle of fight, he ended up pushing her down the stairs from the living room to the family room before storming out. After a while the lady was able to get next door for help since the neighbor was a ness. The, lady did not want to go to hospital or have an ambulance called. But it was obvious to the neighbor it wasn't going to be a home patch job. She'd broken an arm or wrist or something. The name of the drove her to the hospital, and that's how she found out that the lady was pregnant and she'd since lost the baby as a result of the Foale. While the guy was out in his next long-haul run, the neighbors helped the lady pack up a move head things to family. The woman next door said the whole time they were packing in the if felt like the house hated them unwanted them out. Even Jeez. Later, she didn't like Komo Nova when the guy came home from work and found everything empty. He did some pretty serious damage to the house and then left. By the time we moved in everything was fixed and other families had common gone. But it wasn't too hard to find renters willing to move in. But into the neighbor everyone was always happy to move out once they're least resort and some were even willing to take the financial hit and move out early. We managed to stay for two years, but I attribute that to my dad being about as sensitive as a block of concrete in brackets I say that with loaf. On my mom's frugal nature. We needed a place to live where we could afford to pay rent and still save up for a down payment. An apparently, a haunted house is cheaper than a non homes at one. It also helped that most of the activity was focused on my sister me. And in that era, no one took kids very seriously. At night it was not uncommon to hear the topping on the bedroom wall, all the footsteps pacing the whole, but it was usually not too creepy to have to leave my room for visits, the toilet because my mom always the lamp on in the living room, the light would shine up the stairs and illuminate the hallway pretty well. So I didn't hesitate to leave my room when my tiny non-euro bladder got me open sent me down the hall to the Bathroom Being Cough Asleep on walking a familiar route. I was almost to the bathroom door by the stairs before I. realized that the lump wasn't on instead there was a faint glow from the side of the living room coming from beside the stairway. Also, the piano which was tucked away in the corner of the room was being played. Wasn't any skill or purpose in the playing? It was like keys being hit random like if a cat was walking around on the piano. It will be fine a much less traumatic if my parents had given into my childhood pleadings and actually a cat. But as they had not and there was no living creature in the house over the myself and my parents in brackets, both of US unlikely to be messing around on the piano at two. Am I'm my sister in brackets who I could see sleeping in the bed. I was not okay. I run into my sister's room, which had an unsweetened half bath I could use. I was too afraid to go back into the hall. So I slept on the floor so that she was between me on the doorway and more importantly between me I'm whatever was in the living room. It wasn't until several days later that I realized there wasn't even a lump. All sorts of light in the corner weather is. So whatever had been playing the piano had been providing its own glow. I never spent a full night in my own room again after that as long as we lived in the house. Every night, my parents would talk me into bed in my room and I would wait patiently until they were downstairs and creep across the hall to my sister's floor. It was worth being full stat in the mornings if it meant not being terrified all night long. Plus I think my sister also felt safer with another passed around when it was dark. A. Few months after that, my sister had a Thursday night soccer practice with a makeup game straight after. My parents gave me the option to stay home alone or go with everyone else to what's the game. As my own practice was canceled. So they could use the feel for the game is very keen on having night to myself with full control of all one TV. My Only Chore for the evening was to feed the dogs who lift outside. It was awesome and the time of year where dark foles around seven. PM and it was the darkness outside that. Made me realize that I'd missed the dog six, pm dinnertime. It had been a good day in the house of Tele. Point. That'd be a few upstairs footsteps. The have been earlier when the sun was still up and it was on a floor, I didn't have to go to. I wasn't scared at all being in the house by myself until I was in the kitchen getting the dog's food scooped up from the Ben and I had the TV in the family room change channels. All cable controller was a large box that was tethered to the TV and had big clicky Bolton's where each button correlated to a given channel. To switch from one channel to the next, you had to physically depress the button which would stay firmly pressed down until you chosen of the channel. From my spot in the kitchen, I could head a rapid click click click a semester with the controller and the sound changed. TV cycled through the channels. I through food into the bowls measuring be damned and almost killed myself getting out of that kitchen door as fast as I could I figured that I would get the dogs fed and then let the little one into the House with me to keep me company after they ate. The dog houses were in the fall by corner of the yard and the dog walked along with me eager to get to their dinner. Before I was even halfway across the yard, they both abandoned me and started barking. I tend around to see what was going on on our big dog was standing stiff legged with his ears straight up balking in the direction of the house. The little dog was barking to but ultimately charging at the house then backing away from it. I couldn't figure out what set them off and so I noticed the living. Room Window. The thing is it was nighttime and I was in an Omelette Yard. All the other windows that face the backyard had yellow incandescent light bulb light coming from them. That window should have been bright to since he had to go through that to get to the kitchen. Am I doubt could attest that I never turn off lights as a child. But at that moment, it was like there was a gray black filter over it instead the Shia cat and that normally over. In the bottom Corna, though was a small wife's face breaking the darkness. It was backlit. So I didn't get a lot of detail on the features. But it was a child sized face. And I thought it was a boy because he had short curly dark her it didn't feel like when there was the rage instead of felt like the thing at the window was just curious about me. It seemed like when I noticed it. Pressed closer to the glass. It was looking at me looking at it. I don't know how long I stood in the yard with the dogs freaking out and staring at the face in the window but if disappeared from Wamba link to the next. The light was suddenly normal. They can CAPAC little rectangle across the grass. At this, the little dog run up a mark this territory against the back wall of the House with seem to be the only clear for both of them, and they trotted back to me to check out the food bolts. Whatever they've been sensing was gone. I couldn't go back into the house though. A suddenly yard outside cooling dogs and freezing my boots off until I had my parents call pull up in the driveway. I slipped back into the House and tried to act like I just popped into the kitchen for a drink. As everyone came in through the front door I checked out the back wall of the living room around the window. I would like to say something worth noting like my mom's painting of Jesus being ripped off the wall or something similar, but it just looked normal. I followed my mom downstairs and the TV was still on but playing static as it is set to a channel, we didn't have. I switched the channel before she asked any questions a moved on with my life. To this day I don't know why I never told my parents about it. Maybe it was because they were already in the process of house hunting. Maybe it was because the little face hadn't felt bad or evil. It felt just like another little kid the happened to share the. House. I thought maybe what caused the angry feelings were bothering to? We lived there for a couple more months, but I made sure to never be in the house alone again. Even if it meant tagging along to trip to the bank or going to mass. We bought a house thirty miles away and I didn't think about it again for nearly twenty years. Imagine. My surprise when a close friend of mine from college ended up moving to my old town and into my old subdivision identified to swing by the old house after visiting her. It was still learn and look more or less like it did the day we left right down to the for rent sign that was still in the yard. I followed its online on various real estate websites since then. No individuals of aborted. Even, though the owners have moved out of state shortly after buying it and have been willing even thirty years ago to give a nice family a good deal. It was finally bought by a property management company in two thousand sixteen as an investment and continues to be up for rent on a regular basis tammy. That's Derek firing. Oh my God that sounds like one of them houses that if you won the lottery you, that's what I do for won the lottery by a fleet of haunted houses and be like well, Monday I can't I mean I mean the the Black Monks House Tuesday I can't Amityville Thursday Karnik Wednesday doesn't exist in my millionaire lifestyle but Thursday I'll be enfield and then I'll be in this little subdivision whether spooky walking's and children in windows terrifying Tammy as your new nickname. Tanny no. That is absolutely brilliant. 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Ep 84 - Author, Counselor - Touching is a Touchy Subject, Jed Jurchenko

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Ep 84 - Author, Counselor - Touching is a Touchy Subject, Jed Jurchenko

"Welcome back folks to the get a grip on life podcast on today's show. I Have Jed Janko and I get that right Jed Tanko and we're going to discuss He's a family therapist. And we're going have a discussion about his his practice. But before we do. If you're listening to this podcast listeners. A lot of them actually in the back of their minds they think of themselves. Gosh you know I could start a podcast. I've always wanted to start a podcast and you know the best place to do that is to go to get a grip studios dot com. Which is where I'm sitting right now. we used to have a studio where people would come to Kent Company more for a little while because they were under the covert nineteen lockdown. But I it's fully virtual so you can do it online with us. So you gotta get a GRIP STUDIOS DOT COM. What better time right now when you have a lot of time if you're laid off maybe you're not working. You're listening to a lot of PODCASTS. And you think gosh I'd really like to talk about X Y and Z with my expert. Buddy who does this or that so think about it now is the time get group studios DOT COM. How's it going Jed Mike? I'm doing great. I am honored to be here with you today. Hot Likewise Man. I feel the same way. Let's start off first before we you know. Go down the path of I love to talk about making their stronger. I think it's a wonderful topic and I think people underestimate the importance of strong marriages in our society. I think ended of one of the fundamental things that are building block absolutely while I would agree with that and right now I think we need strong marriages and marriage skills more than ever. She had mentioned the coup-bid Nineteen virus in our family. We are all indoors right now so just an FYI. You may hear one of my six Kiddos in the background. I and my Home Office than Narcos are doing school online. At least you're supposed to be doing school but with our energetic three year old. I never know what's going to happen. Zona podcast a couple of weeks ago where she bursts in the door says I love you daddy and then runs out. It is quite the adventure but I have a feeling right now. I am not the only one on this adventure. You're not in. You know one of the things. So I do a lot of podcasts. I do a podcast and lighting industry. Do this life show. I do a bunch of different shows and one of the things. That kind of occurred to me was that I think there's there's GonNa be some marital issues. There's going to be some mental health issues that emerge of this severe lockdown roll under. And you know. I think it's something for our society I think about when we react strongly to you know. What are the you know? Everyone thinks oh. We need to do this. We need to do that. We need to protect these people. Protect that but we also I think it's important that we you know next time with this that we think about the unintended consequences of Restricting people's freedoms especially for Westerners Americans and Canadians people are very accustomed to living a very free lifestyle. I think you're absolutely right. You know the general psychology classes that I teach always teach something called the night thesis dress model of mental illness. I think this is fascinating. I think it applies to families right now with this model teaches. Is that all of us. Have this precept level of stress that we can there and we have this. Big Word is diet thesis. Which means we've got this. Genetic propensity for some sort of mental illness might be. Depression might be anxiety. Might be schizophrenia. The whole thing is is once or stress goes above that threshold the signs and symptoms kick in now. Some of us are born with the lucky gene. We're pretty resilient which means we can take a lot of stress before that depression kicks in some of us have this low level of stress tolerance. Which means it doesn't take very much or depression anxiety to really circa get aggravated and descent. So part of it is more stress is going to be more symptoms but then to WanNa closer environment you know. We're closer to our loved ones than ever before so problems that were there. But KINDA UNDERNEATH. The surface in get aggravated. We're not going to be able to go to work in duck in dodge them anymore now. Doing life together And more light together. Which means these problems? We'RE GONNA start coming to the surface. I think you're right on point with this assessment that we need more support for marriages and families probably then we have needed in a long long time. I it's it's The I don't WanNa go down this path of spending the whole time with you talking about covert nineteen. But it's the reality we face right now and I think my my gut instinct on it is that they're I think we're going to have I believe that there is a America has a collective conscience and a collective sub conscience and think that America and Canada are the collective subconscious of these nations in these people's is going to suffer from. Ah like a group post traumatic stress disorder From this I would not doubt that at all I know just the seriousness of it is huge and it can be scary and all that stress is going to create extra tension man relationship. So I think for you and I and for anybody WHO's married. Who has a family? The real challenge during this time is keep all of this from snowballing to keep the little things from turning into big things especially in relationships at sometimes couples argue about ridiculous things. I've done that before of Uber. Now where you've gotten in the longstanding drawn out argument and it seemed like it solo important at the time and then you look back two weeks later and you think it's just ridiculous. What on Earth will we fight about that for? I'll always I always say the when I talked to my wife about this sort of stuff and my kids. I have four children and I say you know. Let's say the two kids are fighting. You did this you did that and I said I stopped them for a second and this goes from my wife and is well. It's like a we ever going to get back to the point where we get to the first instance. You know where it's like. Oh Yeah I did start this. Fight Year right like that never happens. You know what I'm saying like when you're in this like you did this and then you did that and then you did this and the are you did that and we have these situations you never going to get back to that point and one of the things. I talked to my wife about his like. Let's and other people like what if we were watching ourselves. Like what if you weren't you and you could have like a closed circuit. Tv camera with Mike on it and watch this fight. Would you not think that it's pretty pathetic? I love that I love that. There's a really bad joke. I heard two guys talking and one guy says the other. We're in this longstanding fight and she is just getting historical and the guy says cheat hysterical. He says no historical. She's now going back to everything I've ever done wrong and bring it up. I think we do that all too often. I know I've been there and done that. Might look back and I'm like I'm getting historical. That's ridiculous More about as right here and right now. The love which he said about the video camera is if we go back in time and watch that fight. I think I've looked back and say this is ridiculous. Dude jet knock it off reconnect sure and the and the other thing too is if you ever if you ever you see people that are in a marital spat. It's it's so easy to look at and go. Oh my God you know like to look at other people in their. When they're let's see some close to explain to you how everything is his wife's fault or you know this and that or everything's is the husband's fault and if I wasn't married to this piece of crap you know my life would be so much better. I often say to them. This you know if you discover that something is actually your fault or you're to blame. You should get down on your knees and thank God because at least you can do something about it. I love that so when we know that we've had a part in it. You can fix it. If we're yes alum we can be part of the solution right. It's it's it's almost like a you know if something if you actually realize that your to the problem is that people that can be very obsessed with Blaine and Glam is so unhelpful Unless it's your to blame I agree with that. I put one little twist is I think. Sometimes we can even lame ourselves and the get stuck in that feeling of shame and guilt. Bruce's taking action and that was something that I heard you say that I absolutely loved where he said when I realized I'm at fault that's when I reached out and that reach out to reconnect is absolutely huge back. That's what all the research is showing make some a couple happy and makes their relationship. Last is the ability to reach out to our spouse and a accept their repair accounts so when when they reach out to reach back. I find that a lot of this is going to call it a reconciliation mechanism. Okay I find that in our society we in our culture Oftentimes multiculturalism is praised as a wonderful thing so Canada's a multicultural country and and you know I think that The reality is is that multicultural? Multicultural isn't like any other ichthyologist or philosophy comes with good things and bad things right and one of the things that one of the bad things I think is that people bring when they come from Different Cultures. Different religions different backgrounds they bring into their relationships different formations of reconciliation which are not always compatible with one. Another marriage drew. Yeah Yeah like the the mechanism of you know some people they. They're quick to apologize. An acknowledged fault and other people see apologies as a victory. So you can get into the cycle where they don't apologize and you can get into. This cycle of one person believes that they should admit. They're wrong and apologizes. When they're wrong in the other person takes that as a victory and sort of inflates their ego. And you get into this loop or the other person. Never apologizes and one. Person always apologizes in the other person's. Like well how can I always be wrong? And then you end up in this nasty loop of broken reconciliation mechanism. How do you solve that as a marriage therapist? Or how do you help people deal with that yet? And that's such a challenge especially when two people are viewing apology. Different way about the saying that I love you know. We can't really make our spouse reconnect with us but we can courageously reach out and I think part of it is redefining. What a win is and for me. I look at it and say you know a win is just courageously reaching out to my wife Jenny. Now Fortunately Jenny is really good at reaching reaching back and I love that now you asked how can a couple really reconnect even when there are these differences actually or something? That's worked really well for us. Of course so right now I love this idea of tiny habits and these are routine that you build Interior Day and Virginia and I we started to build these connection routines in roadway and. This is an absolutely key. I love to write written number books and way starting writing was with the tiny habit. I wanted to write for years and years and just couldn't do it and I heard this simple as writers right. Said that's going to be my new. Mantra woke up the next morning at five. Am Brew Coffee. Sat down at the kitchen table opened my laptop gander right and I've done this for seven years and for me the key on the thing that I did right. They didn't even realize I was doing at the time. Was seeking this new habit of writing attaching it to a habit that was already in place which I love my coffee. Got It right here. That was simply saying I'm GonNa brew the coffee that I'm GonNa Right now. Couple years into this routine. Jenny came down and said jet. I loved that you're writing your cranking out the books but I'm feeling disconnected from you when you're sitting down writing you are on like you're lost in another world and she was right Turkey and that's a distress time. I've got six kids so I had to learn the tune out the whole world around me and unfortunately I was also tuning out Jenny. And that was that a HA moment of okay. Got The changes because yes. I love to love to write the Jenny's far more important than my next book or my next project. So what I did is created this new trigger and decided the first time I see Jenny in the morning. I'M GONNA lose my laptop minute. Stand up take a minute to connect with her and for her. That was huge. This is non verbal communication. That says any. You're more important than any book that I'm working on now for me. That was obvious. She's obviously way more important than that next project but for her it spoke volumes and we started to get into this habit of whenever we see each other for the first time. We just stopped everything and take a moment to connect so. We'll do this when she comes back from shopping. So walk in the door and we'll just take a minute to connect. We'll do this when we come back from work. Any break during our day ended up first sight as the connection trigger and for us. That's huge others moments where we're just caught up in the whirlwind life and we miss that connection moment in the morning in. Houston cool thing. It feels weird like for. Both of us are days off an all pass by Jenny. She'll be like hey jed. You didn't say hi to me this morning and it's natural reach out and what it's done for us is it almost makes those long drag out fights impossible you miss a couple of those connection moments and both of you are like this is weird. Isn't right Mike. Entire days off and his act together. I got. I got a theory for you here. All right so this is kind of another Kovic situation. Here that's Gonna. Kinda come up in this one too but I actually believe that. Talking is a very low form of communication. Okay and I think that Communication the the the When you're ranking communication styles gay touch or lack of touch is number one okay number two is Caen. Six Body language tone of voice these types of things. That's number two how you're positioning. Your body isn't in a threatening position. Is it an open position? Do you have your shoulders back. Are you slow forward? Are you turned away when you're talking to someone you care about or anybody really and so those two are number one number. Two number three is then speaking. Okay then you like text messaging very low form of communication. There's nothing more worse than a text message. Marital spat you know. So if let me tell you this if your wife told you. She loved you jed but she wouldn't touch you. What's the real message? I don't love you absolutely and for me. Personally I'm GonNa take that as what's wrong with me exactly twenty. Am I growth? But that's where mind would go is. Oh my goodness there's something wrong with me. Bright humans need to touch one another and or not touch right so this is the whole problem with the metoo movement as well is inappropriate touching right so sometimes not touching. Is the appropriate message too. So I have female employees. I don't touch them ever like I may give them a fist pump or something like that or shake their hand if they really good job. I don't hug them or I don't go behind them. And give them a massage or something stupid. Gross like that right. So this idea of touching versus not touching theirs people you're meant to touch and their certain ways you're supposed to touch them and that makes them feel good and welcomed and loved. Have your old friend from high school. You see him crash together. Give each other a bro Hug. Boom back rights touching is extremely important. I think when you said connection I think to me. I'm going to expand that in my own mind for me is like the routine of touching one another on a regular basis love. That would be fair to say touching the touchy subject. Yeah it is a touchy subject. You might have named this podcast but but the the idea that You know this routine of merit like there for an and I'm one that I believe that there are fundamental differences between men and women and I think that I think that You know I think that are all cultures. I mean I don't want to go into the monogamy versus polygamy traffic. I I'm a monogamist and I think humans are are A species that pursues monogamy as a virtue. I don't think we're naturally monogamous. But I think that we've our brains and our minds evolved to a point that metaphysically we see polygamy sin or wrong among all cultures Or if it's not wrong. There's a limit in how many wives a man is supposed to have say some sort of structure surrounding it. That you know it you know in in college. You can't have more than four wives or whether there's all every major civilized culture you look at their some sort of structure surrounding the relationship between man and wife and how many are and so most most civilizations have emerged to have this underlying subterranean on primordial longing for a virtuous one man one woman situation. Okay and that's my belief and I think that the the idea to that a woman is in if you look at our. I don't know if you believe in evolution or not it's not relevant relief but the If you look at our closest relatives Chimpanzees Bonobos men choose when sex happens or that male apes choose when sex happens but with humans in all cultures women or their parents are the protectors are that users of sex happens. And it's given to men so it's like a. It's like a gift that is given to men and men get this energy okay. This is what I believe. And it's like an a gift. It's a an energy gift and it admit creates a bond between the two people and then there then the two become one and those two are stronger together. Okay and I think that this is very key to our to our the structure of how we became such a powerful Safe wonderful country to live in. Is that that idea that one man one woman woman is. The chooser of men have to innocence. Earn sex they don't get to have it given to them for nothing they have to earn it and is supported both anthropologically biologically socially and In the back of most people's heads they know that it's right and wrong so they know that pursuing multiple sex partners in a way is not right even if that doesn't mean they don't like it Jed right. This is how you're taking all of this. In tying into this common theme of Inaction Yes something I've been learning diving into the brain. Science of all of this is that our brain doesn't distinguish between physical pain and emotional pain and so we hit our figure with a hammer. There's part of our brain that lights up more disconnected from our loved one that seeing Harvard brain lights up and so it really for a human brains. These close caring relationships are in need. We see like oxygen. You know food water shelter and so we're disconnected from our loved. One from her spouse. It hurts you know. There's the old saying love hurts. I would twist that just a little bit. It's not love itself. That hurts is being disconnected from somebody that we long the host to that feels like physical. Pain sometimes even heard more than physical pain. It hurts more. Yup I think it hurts more for sure because When when you're when you're when a loved one like whether it's your wife or your child or your brother or someone and you see them pursuing a pass at disconnect so here's what you know what's interesting about things like addictions okay. My description of an addiction is anything any activity. You habitually do which disconnects you from the people you love more. Which makes you think then. Yeah that makes you think that the people you love or the enemy right because that's what that's what addictions do whether it's gambling or drugs or booze. What's what what ends up happening when you walk? These passive addiction is that it it starts to create problems with the people who care about you. The most and if somebody's talking to you that you know loves you your brother you've had relations. Let's see your brothers your best friend. And he's coming to us saying hey man you know how to change your behavior and you get your back. He said well. Then you're the problem. How dare you come to? You really need to listen to those loved ones when they're talking to you about your behavior in terms of as an adult like what you're doing or a teenager you know. Hey you're behavior with this. Drug use is really causing a disconnection between the people. You Love Love you and that you love and I think that's what addiction does and that's a real pain of it is the the reason why addiction is so painful is because it literally cuts your own heart out the people that you care about it takes them away from you and you pursue this addicted addiction rather than pursuing a relationship with the ones you love. And I think that's the real tragedy of all GonNa timely message though is going back to how so many families are gonNA be spending more time together sheltering and play his n have more stress being easier than ever start turning towards those addictions and I love your definition of an addiction. As tell me if I've got this right just something that's GonNa cut you off from your relationship. Something that's going to cause you to mentally or a missing checkout. That's an addiction. That's all in addiction. Yeah I mean because at the end of the day people are. They're so focused on the substance. In a way you know like these interventions. Were you watch that show intervention? It's still so sad show. It's like a it's people watch that show for the for I can't watch I watch like two episodes of just. The problem is that they're focused on the like. There's a focus on the on the addiction. When really the focus should be on your losing. You losing your loved ones like you. These people are not. You're not going to get your children are not gonna WanNa be around you anymore. Your wife that loves you was begging you to the change directions here and you're pursuing this addiction rather than pursuing your love for her. What a tragedy. I think now's a good time just to be aware that with that increase dress is going to be easier than ever to. WanNa checkout in front of the TV so even WanNa lose ourselves in good things whether it's a book whether it's exercise stress eating turning on the Internet but if we see our spouse reaching out for us more than ever it's going to be important to tune into them and reach back tying back to rain feeling that disconnect is physical pain. You know if we ignore a spouse is managing your stress by tuning into that. Tv show. Our loved ones. GonNa feel physical pain. They're gonNA feel disconnected and probably they're crazy brains. GonNa go right. Remind would which is what's wrong with me. Smell bad. Does he not like me anymore. She not like me anymore. Dita's worse it right. It's worse am I unworthy even darker than that. Am I not good enough because when like with the idea that the the idea that the to become one that is such a powerful idea man and you know it the people this is? Why the the the the this is why A marriage is attacked. Because it's the most powerful institution we have. It's the it's the literally like the idea. This idea that ownership over another person's sexual organs. It's like that is so base in wrong. It's literally so the two can become one and then what comes of that is children right. It's it's such a fundamental premise. That people when they turn against that they turn towards the darkness. I think Michael I love that now. I love also finding what works from other people's. How did you and your wife do that? How do you keep that oneness going? So it's for us. That's a good question so we we have How dare you interview me on my own You know I think I think the usual were tune in to known a lot right. Which is I think. That's an interesting way to kind of get people to understand what what what's happening here right. So are you tuned into your partner or are you tuning out and so when you tuning out? It's not that you're it's not that one is choosing to reject or deny the other. It's that one is choosing a numbness. Now you know Christ and his Gospel. He doesn't mind the hot and the cold but the lukewarm get cast into the outer darkness. Right right so that numbness is of Satan bigtime Now whether you whether you know people listening to this I don't believe in that or whatever it's okay if you don't believe in evil than your boat is eve as they as long. You have not read twentieth century. History Evil is real whether you believe in Christ crucified or not or your Islamic or you're an atheist evil is a real thing and goodness is a real thick those are real things and so but Lee evil is not like if evil if everyone who was evil dressed like Gos- person you know this this. This is where free speech is so important. And I'M GONNA I'M GONNA take a little path to come back to explain this when when you ever see those guys like Klu Klux Klan guys or people like that like racists. Yeah I think the best thing to do with a racist is put them on. Tv as much as possible because nobody wants to be like those people actually when you listen to them speak. You know what I'm saying like you listen to someone who's filled with absolute total hatred like that and they're very unattractive people the average even if you have a little bit of like. I'm a I think. Racism is a spectrum. It's not an either or so I think everybody's on the spectrum so I think right I don't believe in this either or thing. I think all people have a little bit of we're all pushed in these directions back and forth. But I think you want you want to make a difference. Let the the grand clock or whatever the hell he's called talk talk to him for a bit and see how crazy he actually. Is You understand what I mean in the new show so I think that so. That's not dangerous. Those overtly evil people are not actually dangerous. The real evil insidious. Danger is the numbness is the tuning out. That's where those things where you don't even see it anymore or don't right or did anymore. You know the Lord of the rings movies by the or the books our win or the rings books. Okay so a wormtongue whispering in the ear of the king who's frozen over and can't make decisions right. That's evil when you when you're when you're when you're that you're choosing not to seek truth and and just standing aside. I think that's where in a marriage or causing all kinds of damage in and like daily damage. And I think what you have to do and what we try to do as a married couple as we try to have more. Positive INTERACTIONS THAN NEGATIVE INTERACTIONS. And try to get to like a five one ratio and I hate to be mathematical with it but a negative interaction is far more powerful than a positive interaction. Unfortunately absolutely I love you reduce this to a mathematical formula. You know love is obviously much more powerful much bigger than now but there is a formula. We need that connection and that five to one ratio was just diving into some of the research just a couple of days ago and believed. That was a number that I saw from the gunman institute. Ah Jong Bob mcmullan. That guy's a genius. I mean he. He really is cheese. I mean I thank God for John. Got Every Day He's taught us so much about okay. He the one thing he missed in my mind in his research is the touch factor. He talks a lot about body language. He talks a lot about physical kinetics. You know books and observing that but he missed the touch he never talks about how people that don't touch one. Another are really in big trouble. Those are the ones who are in big trouble. Sam GonNa go out on a limb here and make a guest but if I had to guess what your love. Language was just from a couple of minutes of hanging out with you. I'M GONNA say it probably that physical touch I I would. I would argue that. That's everybody's lovely. I think to not to not I would say that that is that is the language of love period. That's that would be my argument. The idea that different. I think this idea that different people have different love languages and we need to speak to that I I. I'm not I don't WANNA say that everybody's wrong and I'm right but in my mind. I think that you know lovers touch one another. That's what they do. And if you're not touching your spouse then everything else is off the table you got to figure out. Why have you been hurt? Are you carrying around? Shame you have unforgiveness in your heart. Resentments you know that you're carrying with you. You know resentment. I love the way I love the way words. Sound like what they are. I can't automatic PIA. Is that what that is right? Bitterness right it sounds like what it is. You know Resentment can you can hear it in right so and a lot of these emotions are hierarchical in a sense right. And so when? You're you're feeling resentment you're feeling below the you only resent people. Resentment is like it's type of I think are positive and negative emotions are balanced. And I'm doing all the talking on my own show your so I feel bad but I feel like Like you know when you're resenting someone you are below them when you feel contempt for these anger styles when you feel contempt for someone. You're feeling above them right. You're not treating someone as an equal partner in either of those situations. You understand what I mean and I'm you know absolutely what I can tell you. Somebody who dies into gunman's material does on this sheet that I put together in just fifteen saints for couples. One of them is our houses at criticism contempt. I'm lame and stonewalling three zone and especially now more than ever. I think couples need to do that. They need to say hey. We're going to keep those things out of our house is those are the things that are gonNA lead to bitterness. I love this research. That says if you're loud person and you tend to fight and argue loudly go for it. You know if he do quietly. That's fine. The key is is that you're staying away from this criticism in contempt and is blaming the stonewalling. Exactly like you said those are things that are going to take that argument to the next level you know. A disagreement is just added disagreement. You can walk away. Come back fifteen minutes later like you said. Play the tape like Louis arguing about as ridiculous. Let's just get beyond it but if there's I rolling that I'm sneering that communication that says your gross the arguments. Not even about the argument anymore. Now it's been. I feel disrespected. I feel gross. I need to come back to this bizarre. Something that's not resolved is not just about not putting dishes away now. It's about something much bigger. Does that kind of makes sense. It's a character. Assassination love that term character assassination. Absolutely happens all the time you see it you know. I was involved like I tried to help them a couple. We knew they were really in a bad place and going through a divorce and all sorts of stuff and You know Was To this person and and he's telling me about you know how horrible his ex wife is and all sorts stuff and I thought you know. She's not a fire breathing dragon. She's a teacher in Peterborough. What I mean like Jenner? Stand what I'm talking about here. It would almost be good if like all of us came without breeze set button. I grew the original Nintendo and they all of us need a reset button. Where almost after that fight we can just say ban reset was get all that stuff out of the way over from level. One like you're talking. You're not talking properly about this situation like the the you're talking about. You know like I said a teacher from Peterborough. Or whatever right. It's you know she you're not talking about The spawn of Satan. You know but we get these. These are places that we get to. You understand what I mean absolutely there. It's actually it's a destination and you know what I think is the number one cause of all this more than anything else. You never heard the term. The devil is a liar. Ever heard that absolutely. I don't agree with that I think the devils a procrastinator. Tell me more curious now. So people often joke about procrastination right like you know. They think it's funny in a way. But procrastination is is one of those things that it's like. It's like an addiction in the sense that when you're procrastinating what you're doing is you're creating future blame. You're creating future defensiveness if you procrastinate a lot you're going to need to stonewall and be defensive and have contempt and defend that that you didn't say Sewri or that you didn't do what you were supposed to do. You didn't file your taxes right and procrastination is like an existential trap. For people and it. Procrastination is the marriage killer. It's not the lie because you can say yes. I lied but you can't take back all the things that you were supposed to do that. You didn't do. I think I've got what you're saying. So let's say get in an argument. I procrastinate I don't reconnect now somewhere. In there I felt slighted. I felt like my wife was criticizing. The I felt like there was contempt shown missile. I don't go back to reconnect. I'd go throughout my day and I got this mental tape playing over and over again. Either of what? She said what I saw her do or would I thought I saw her. Do a just playing over and over and over again and because I'm not reaching out to repair that as what really causes everything to crumble. Zet kinda where you're going with that I think. Let me give you an yes totally. But I'll give you another analogy. Go Away from the marriage for a second. Come back to it. Okay Ge ever did you ever see meet someone that felt persecuted by the IRS. I have yet to meet meet probably just as our conversations. Don't go there probably met them. Okay so you'll often hear people that are in trouble with the IRS. Right so there's two types of people that are in trouble with the CRA is Canada's. Canada Revenue Agency the Internal Revenue Service. Whatever that same same organization different country. Okay so when you start to go into the these people that you know that the IRS is such a bad institution and out of the Sierras after me and that at at a either either. Usually two things going on K. One they're cheating which is okay so you cheated. You didn't pay your taxes are cheating. The IRS is also morally wrong. It's also theft okay. So you're not allowed just because they're it's taxes doesn't mean you're allowed to cheat okay. So that's the first thing the second thing is you find. Is that the most? Most of the time they're procrastinators okay and ending not trying to commit fraud. They just didn't file their tax return. Okay they didn't do what they're supposed to do. And now the world is choosing to persecute them okay personalizing that's right right. So now you've procrastinated the people that you love are kind of ignored with you because you're not doing what you're supposed to do. You're not doing what you say you're supposed to do. And when you procrastinate you feel persecuted by the the the the people in the world or the institutions of the world or whatever that saying hey knock knock knock knock knock. You have to file your taxes. That's how it works. You're not allowed to not file your taxes or you're not allowed to not do what you're supposed to do in a marriage or as a father or whatever and if you continually procrastinate you just simply built up all this negative entropy that the only way that if you don't turn and ask for forgiveness and look into your own soul and say you know what. I didn't do what I was supposed to do. If you don't do that then you have to engage in stonewalling defensiveness contempt in criticism. So right so the observation is hey you know what okay? Let's give it a hypothetically constructed narrative. Hey you know what you said you were going to do dishes you didn't. They're not done. I don't care anymore. Who's GonNa do a mere you because we got to do the dishes? What are you talking about? You didn't do what you're supposed to do. You understand what I'm talking about where this leads so key takeaways. Pay Your taxes. Do the dishes and other. Yes do what you're supposed to do. It's like that's a starting point for me to repairing relationships is like a self analysis. Where are you doing the basics of what your role is is a father as a husband as citizen as these sorts of things and start doing those and see if the persecution reduces love that piece that I would add to that is also that communication piece? I know for me personally Arabist. There's a time where I was teaching Breathing especially the kids with kids. Who emphasize everything. So I'd be working with kids and we're practicing deep breathing and I mean there with them and Jenny would come to me and she would tell me something. Just restful. I wasn't mad at her. I was just stressed so maybe it was a new bill that came and all of a sudden. I'm doing what I'm doing all day with kids now gently took that as a judge. Syon at me Judd's frustrated at me now. That wasn't my intention. But that's what she heard from my Si- Emma soon as she communicated that that was this lightbulb moment of. I've got a knock this off. Jenny sees that as contempt. Now at this point my intention I could tell her every single day. That's not a Jew. But she's still going to personalize it and so for me. I had to learn to drop that. Remember the last time I side I did that big and I just saw her face drop and immediately it was honey. I'm sorry I'm working on it wasn't you? I'm just frustrated with the situation and I'm really trying to stop that as for me. I'M NOT GONNA change interpretation of my size. I think that communication piece so it's huge is the fact that she was able to tell me. Jed Your Science at me if she didn't communicate that I wouldn't have known and that could have like you said festered in snowball so that communication piece is so huge too as far as hey. Here's one of those annoying little habits. That's just creating that rift. So you brought up a a a real bad word. Oh yeah so. I happened to hate the word intentions. Oh tell me more about that. Okay so You know the science hard to rely on my good intentions right with my head's full of things that I can't mention right. I think a good way to think about intentions of really healthy way to think about intentions. Is that other people get to choose them. Not You I've heard this line. That people are meaning making machines. We are we just make meaning out of everything right so the one the thing that really stinks about intentions is that it's such a dark place because nobody can ever know your real intentions. J. Yeah Right. That's like that's between you and your and your Creator So when people say have you ever had someone say this okay. Let's say let's say Jenny hurt you. Okay let's say she hurt Jed and she says you all wasn't my intention to hurt you. That's common right. You've heard that before I didn't mean to do that. I didn't mean to you Jenny. You're not annoying me. You're not a nuisance to me. Okay I want you to try next time as an experiment yet. I want you to say to Jenny. I did intend to do that. This is dangerous ground here right now but think about it. How come ninety nine point nine percent of the time? Our intentions are always good. Jed Are we don't intend to do that right. I got news for you jet. Maybe Jenny does annoy you exhaust you sometimes and maybe sometimes you do show that to her physically. And maybe she's actually seeing your real intentions. What a challenge to go back and say hey maybe there is some bitterness attached to that. Get what you're saying. Somebody looks at me. And they start their sentence with the phrase. No offense yeah we find yourself like bracing yourself. You're like oh here comes Exactly I I think I as much as I as much as I You know I believe that. Humans are At the C. I think the I think it's a is a Buddhist Union Yang Symbol. The black like this and the white like that with the white and the black in the black and white. I think that You know sometimes. My wife is a nuisance to me and sometimes I'm a nuisance to her. That yes like. That's true right value in that in owning our imperfections instead of just the way I didn't intend but to be able to own those mistakes through San. Yeah like an like. What if it's it's actually true that we intend to hurt each other and half? I would say that most of the time when you hurt somebody you intended to. What a great culture though to have that family culture that marriage culture of mass. Sometimes we mess up on we. Do we move past that and forgive quick house? Can you ask for forgiveness? Let that how can you ask for forgiveness? Truly right if you're not acknowledging that you actually hurt the person yeah so that culture forgiveness which is based on this culture of I mess up. Yeah you know what I'm the union the Yang I'm trying to straddle chaos in order. You know what I mean. I'm going to the world and sometimes you know what what's really sad but also I mean maybe it's not sad. Let me ask you this. Why do we behave the worst with the ones we love? I think that's where we feel safe. We feel like we can let our hair down. We can be ourselves then. I think. Sometimes it's maybe not a good thing I think that's what love is. I think when you are when when you are there's a sense in which the for knowing the other person and owning your own behavior and forgiving their bad behavior even though it hurts sometimes that is love that is what it is that is when you're loving that is when you're You know it's there's a there's a myth of of perfection. There's a myth of we tell ourselves lies about ourselves. You know But we cannot. Your side does not lie. Jed got the definition of intimacy as into me see against the conversation we're having about imperfections and flaws and mistakes in that dark side. No intimacy is Jenny knows me. She knows my imperfections. She knows as she still loves me and yes cool. There's something exciting about that. Yes that's that's such a wonderful message. Jenny's amazing but I know her. Why nowhere her weakness and I still love her. I still wouldn't be with anybody else. I think she's absolutely incredible. And that's a fun place to be in a relationship. You can love somebody mistakes all and you know your loved mistakes and all powerful about knowing somebody and being known by them and still being connected. Yeah and I think I think also like a. that's for the. I think. A lot of marriage therapy goes wrong. You know were you need to promise to never be a bad person again and then I promise in that last all of five minutes. If it's a good day yeah well. I'm going to walk the tightrope rest of my life. You can't you have to like people here's the other thing. I'm GONNA say something super controversial. Jed can't wait to hear it. I think relationships are abusive. All here more. I think that that humans are incapable of not abusing one another to a certain extent. And that's maybe the wrong word game. Maybe I'm using a loaded term there because there's actually technically abuse means this. Okay but I think choosing to love someone is choosing to be heartbroken. It's choosing to be hurt. It's choosing to accept that I. I don't think there's any way out of that like what you're doing. I hear you think a couple of times on this show he issues not of this black and white this. You know. It's either good or bad and put it more on the scale system weren't this grey zone And this idea of abuse maybe not as this overwhelming physical emotional spiritual abuse that we often think of. It's fact that if you're in a close relationship if you're in close proximity to somebody else. There's Times they're gonNA rub you the wrong way That's probably a better way to put it. Yeah they're going to be mean they're going to say hurtful things that don't get up on your high horse because you're going to do that right back. And so it's really about learning to love one. Another reconnect comeback together flaws. In all. Exactly where you're going with that exactly right so in that in. I think in a marriage people enter into marriages with. There's I don't know how to like to Totally Describe it but in a way a marriage is a safe place because it allows for a certain amount of negative behavior or allows you to really you know when. I'll give you an example. Got The grocery store jet. Okay and you see this lady. And she's a real. B I T H K. She's mad at everybody and his staff at the lady. The coupon didn't work and she's asking for the manager and holding everybody up in the line or whatever that a new think man I would never wanna be married to that woman or whatever you think God. Thank God the you know. Johnny's not like that but maybe she saves all her negatively for everyone else. Maybe you understand what I mean. There's listen when we try to project this perfect image okay. The dark side leaks out somewhere. Dude I hear you. I was writing about this the other day with six kittles. I watch a ton of cartoons in every good fairy. Tale is with those lines and they often lived happily ever after. I was thinking about this in thinking. You know fairy tales. Get Right that married people and couples I believe can indeed be among the happiest people on Earth. I think what they get wrong. Is this idea of happily ever after an if they wanted to portray this accurately instead of using that line. It would do something like this after the Prince. Slay the dragon you know. Everybody came to celebrate their wedding as a Princeton Prince. Las Princess Road off into the sunset. This is where the real adventure begins. Because there's GonNa be more dragons to slay more challenges to overcome. You know more walls decline trying to suggest the beginning yes. You're right knocking in the sense that yes this is awesome and holy cow. Or they're going to be more adventures in store. And then you will. You know sleeping. Beauty gets that really right. Tell me about that. So what happens in sleeping beauty? They don't invite Malefic Zain to the baptism right. Yeah that's that's how everything goes wrong. Right they try to protect her from all the evil of the world right so malefic doesn't get invited and I think that's an interesting idea that in a sense you have two evils part of the world and you have to invite evil into your invite evil into your life but evil has to be there to and You know I think the another word you said I want to throw into the. I don't like that word campus happiness. I think happiness is an illusion hitting all the right words today. Yeah I don't like the Word Happiness. I think. I don't think people actually want a meaningful life. I I mean I don't think actually WANNA happy life. I think they want a meaningful life at right so a life with like. Let me give you an example. Let me lay an anecdote for you for so. You're a man and and you know you're attracted to other women right. Use other women that you could be attracted to right. There's a you know you could be seduced. You're you have the capability of being seduced. You're not you know you're in fact if you didn't have the capability of being seduced you probably wouldn't be all that attractive Jenny. So kind of part of this human condition part of what it means to be a guy guys are attracted to women right and so but the when you look at it. It's like yes I could pursue that you know. I have this this marriage which I know you believe. Your marriage is sacred. 'cause ideas wall and I think that that's another part that I think people got wrong. Marriages not marriage is not a financial contract. It's a sacred bond. It's not a it's not a it's a sacred bond you enter into another person and you can't break that sacred bond and that's what that's why it's that's why it's so devastating but but You know if I lost my train of thought but the idea that you can be seduced and you're choosing not to is the fundamental That's what is important. It's not that you can't be seduced. It's that you're choosing your sacred bond over the carnal pleasures. That's what's meaningful jet. I love that why I read somewhere years ago. That a lot of guys who do have affairs later. They don't want it. They look back in the thing. Why on Earth did I do to my marriage to my relationship. You know. There's that Biolo- logical part or maybe it even call it a sin nature that says man. I'm attracted to the physical than afterwards. It's the weight unconnected on unconnected my wife. This is what I really want and so I think it's not getting caught up in the intensity of the moment In the high logical. Hurrah of the moment I could be. What do you think? Oh I think you're one hundred percent correct. Yeah no it. It's the IT'S THE LOOK Christ. Says the path is is straight but hard man you know. It's not the path to the path to to destruction as broad and wide Bro. You can go in any direction you want on that path man but like I mean if you say to somebody like okay. Let's say this. Let's talk about love languages or whatever right. So let's you're sitting with the guy you're talking to them. It's like I want to have an affair right okay. And let's say this guy happens to be a very wealthy guy right. He say to him. Well how much is that peace and not going to cost you like. Is that going to be the most expensive piece in nookie ever got. Oh Yeah and you know like I was Gonna say something really crude. Glad I have what he said you know. Her female parts are not made a gold. Bro Yonder stand what I mean so Colonel Awareness. Yes to use a simple illustration. It's the exact same reason and I don't like heaven painful brownies in our house. I know me I'll come by and I'll cut off a little sliver then I'll cut off another one and another and by the end of the day at Pan of brownies is not and so then I feel I feel terrible. I don't like how I feel afterwards. I know I'll do it if it's there and so with our six. Kiddos like make brownies and I'm like guys eat these up. Finish In the House here. Let me catch the biggest Brownie seriously because I know me and my nature which is all I'm just gonNA come by and Grab Small vs. I'm going to do it again and again. Is that once you start. You can't stop. That's exactly my problem too. Isn't that facilites? Being aware of I think I want this in the moment and then afterwards I look back on like I did not want that at all because I don't feel good. Sugar crash hits step on the scale or just walking around the house and I just don't feel the same so the so. You have the the Brownie so let's call it a honeypot. So you got your. You're going to. It's going to be the most expensive piece of nookie ever. Had you know that honeypot ain't made a gold? It's going to get old to to you. You're going to get bored of that too one day. Or whatever it is that you're whatever whatever projection of perfection you're putting on that woman is GonNa Fade as well. Because that's going to go away and then on top of that you're never gonNA get to make love to the mother of your children again. We get the around news time ten in times of the maybe draw or attraction and the ten times the crash afterwards probably hundred times a crash afterwards but is really that Anna Brownies. Taken the ultra extreme and I think we could do. You did at the beginning which was play the ord you know. Go back and look at the teeth. We would say John would do it. Yeah don't do it I mean and you know you the Listen I'm not judging. Anybody Okay I you know I mean marriage is hard and I think our society Went from one that Whose sole goal. Maybe it's underlying metaphysical goal was to preserve the institution of marriage. So one that's underlying metaphysical goal is to attack the institution of marriage so I think that that is that is changed. And I think I if there's anything we could do to strengthen American Canada or or Or it would be to strengthen the institution of marriage. Yeah well and I love what you said about. Not Judging anybody is really does kind of been a theme two is Bam. Mistakes are going to happen for sure. I'm screw ups are going to happen. And it's not about going back to the past is not about getting historical Reliving that over over about saying okay. That's in the past now. Let's reconnect NAST. Now let's move forward in the right way or healthy way. How you know. How do you counsel your your customers or your or in your practice? How do you counsel people on forgiveness? You know such a powerful term but it's also a tough one because sometimes we're stuck in a cycle where evinces happening again and again you know and it really isn't enough to say forgive and move on is. It's a repeat patter and really that pattern needs to stop in order for us to move past it others other people who are stuck on one instance. That's in the past. I think that's where that forgiveness needs to happen but then sometimes the process. Sometimes there needs to be a conversation or something that happened with us. I'm not I think as easy as sometimes we would like it to be which is just like go are pure in Christian circles. The phrase you hear a lot is like Dylan. Let God but that anger or frustration or that mind returning to over and over. I see it as a warning light on the dashboard. Right in the Czech oil light comes on and you need to attend to that. Need the change oil. There's something going on with your car. All that angers signaling us the key there something going on that needs to be attended to. I think our job is to figure out what it is. Are we being her over and over again as a problem that needs to be resolved? Is there a hurt us that we just can't get past and we need to do that? Internal Work I'M DID. We not not feel safe in this relationship. And we're scared to death that this offense is going to happen again. So do we need to have honest. The difficult conversation outside. I don't know that there's a one size. Fits all for forgiveness. I think sometimes it's a process that takes discernment of you know. How do we get to the point? We can let go is that makes sense totally the Got a question about emotions. So I I've I like I like understanding the definitions of words like knowing what words mean and differences between words. And oftentimes. You'll find that you know synonyms aren't actually synonyms. Are Actually opposites? So an example of this is like contempt and resentment or envy and Jealousy. Envy and jealousy are actually opposite emotions. You know But I believe that all of our emotions. He's talked about anger being sort of a signal right. I think all of our emotions are benign. And there's not a wrong or right in motion when you're feeling it. There's only misdirected action related to the emotion. Okay so if you came home and you found a man in your house attacking your children. Rage is the appropriate emotion to feel at that time you need to. You need to send a message to your petur Terry Gland or whatever. It's releases much faster on as possible. So that your strongest possible and that you're willing to do anything in that moment to change the situation in the outcome right so all emotions are benign. They all have a purpose. They're all they're older layers. Then they're there for a reason right and so a lot of us are not he following your gut instinct or whatever if your if your emotions are telling you that something is wrong and it's wrong like if you're angry about something then you should be angry about something. Actually if you're if you're sad about something then you need to grieve about it and if you're if you're happy if you're feel bliss or you feel joy about something then You know then you're then you're you know. Thank God for that. You know because it's it's going to go away you're GONNA be back to you. Know you're you'RE GONNA be back like those. Those places are fleeting and You know hard to stay in so but I think when we're feeling those things. They are messages to us either. Something is right or something is wrong for something is bothering you or you need to look into something. I think that we're connected to a spiritual world. Where messages come to US And they like they don't know where thoughts come from. Jed with curiosity is what I'm hearing. You say yes. Listen to what your body's telling you if you'll likely to judge that emotion eating curious about it citizen angry. I don't WanNa be pegged as an angry guy. We're GonNa push that aside angry. What's the anger. Therefore there's gotta be a reason for it. Yes and be being curious. And that's exactly you know. That's exactly what I mean is like curiosity. It's and it's interesting Arthur schopenhauer you know that. Guy German philosopher. Yeah not familiar with them. No so he wrote that when emotions in yourself should be curious but also you should also be curious about other people's emotions and that if if you encounter some autumn ocean or some sort of anger or joy or whatever you shouldn't immediately buy into it anger and become defensive against anger. You should embrace it in a sense from others. Embrace their anger. And even you know in a way come to understand it. Very deeply and so- schopenhauer would say that would argue that. These things are to be are are not to be you know. Obviously if somebody's raging at you it's a different story but But perhaps there's a reason maybe you shouldn't be in house right or whatever eating curious about that right now. Raising psychology all behaviors communication. So you see somebody who's angry and if you turn on that curiosity if he can turn that curiosity up it becomes okay. Why is that emotion there? What are they communicating not? I'm talking about people that you care about. I'm not talking about angry people on the street. Obviously not but if your wife is angry at you for something and you becoming defensive every time. That's the wrong response. You need to engage that anger and find out truly what is about. And sometimes you'll find out that it's none of your business actually but I think sometimes we have to go deep and even going deeper hopeful. You know we're coming home late and we find out that the anger isn't home late it is and my wife really wanted to connect with me. She's missing me and I'm not there. So the emotions coming out as anger but underneath is sorrow sadness longing for those joyful times together I think anger is probably one of the easiest and safest to show or just bubbles up I sometimes we let that out usually. There's something eight that's deeper. Would you agree with that? Hopefully I think I think there's only two emotions below the level of the the different expressions of these emotions. Anger sadness grief bitterness. Whatever I think there's only fear and like a peacefulness And you know and that's that Yin Yang and in that peacefulness. There's a little bit of fear. In that fear there's a little bit of peacefulness and so the other thing too is. I actually let me throw this one at you. Here's another one. You've seen a lot of angry couples. I actually think people enjoy being angry. I think there's like perverse pleasure in it and I think they also enjoy. It's like the idea of wallowing. You know. I think people enjoy. There's an egg or as much as they enjoy. They're positive emotions is long as they're not numb they're alive. I saw a teacher experiment where he was talking about couples conflict. He asked volunteer while the woman to the end of the class. Said hold up your hands. And she did and then immediately out of nowhere he started pushing back pusher to for the corner as soon as she realized what was happening she planted that backfoot put her hands out started to resist any top. The spearmint said would you guys notice and we went on for a while. Then he said it. Anybody see her smile. He said it was quick. You might have missed it. Of course I didn't see it. Nobody's side in my mind. I'm thinking yeah you know. Was that smile even there. They said. Let's repeat the experiment. Got My mind. Oh there's no way she's GonNa Smile again. Everybody knows what she's looking for so this time she gets ready. She puts her hands back. She plants her foot. You know she's ready to push this guy. This teacher back into the corner. He puts his hands up. Does the countdown three two. And this is all no. Let's not let's not repeated in used to your hands drop or fees drop is unmistakable. Look of disappointment. Come across their face like oh there. It is conflicts exciting. It's engaging and there's this thing that says okay bring it on and so I think sometimes we are not aware of that but I think you hit the nail on the head that we can get angry. We can get frustrated is maybe that's the easiest way to connect. That's how we know to connect. There's some excitement involved sometimes. It's a social thing. Where if we have a big argument I think for some people that becomes the topic of conversation the next day. Either with family or friends or co-workers my spouse was such a jerk. There can be all sorts of secondary games. I think you really spot on with that. I think You know there's nothing to me. Look when I and I didn't guilty of this myself but you know when someone is complaining about their spouse in a way and I'm not talking about reaching out for support which is different okay. There's like you probably often have this. It's like I don't know how to handle the situation. You know my husband's having an affair or whatever right talking about that where you know. Someone's reaching out to a friend or to a support but you have a bunch of guys sitting around criticizing their wives and married her. You know what I mean. It's like there's a sense in there's a there's a there's a there's like There's something about some people want to be persecuted or they desire it in some way they want. And there's like there's like a comfort. I don't know if you've ever been to like a prayer group where it's a bunch of people that are persecuted and their request is almost like a one up. My Yeah yes like my testimony is worse than your testimony. You know I've been and that that's actually a theme that I my podcasts. That I can't stand is like the American rags to riches story. God if I hear another guy who was a crack addict and then started his own company. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa stop doing podcast you but like it's almost like this this testimonial You know all my my parents were worse than your parents or my. I've been more abused than you and I don't mean to be flippant about that. I mean there are people that have been abused. Let's face it and then eat it. Eat help support but I often see like a little bit of Glee. There's difference between complaining and problem solving and that's what you're saying is sometimes there's joy in complaining insuring problems But we're really not solving anything. Xactly yes do you ever do you ever have Like I think a lot of people go to therapy to validate their ego right so they they try to convince therapist that they are persecuted beyond belief by this horrible of theirs and that if only that person were different their life would be so much better and the therapist will sit there and for one hundred bucks an hour or whatever agreed with them so getting caught up in that blame game. Yes not really doing anybody any good. But I think it's quite common in. Your profession is not yeah absolutely absolutely. I know I've read about therapists in the past would ask the question of. Hey why you guys really here you here to work on your relationship or do you just want to say we tried everything before calling it quits. Yes I think it's you know it can be Kinda tongue-in-cheek question but it can also be that reality check of A why am I really here? What am I trying to do? Are we really trying to solve this or do we just need that own validation of the say a we went to a therapist? We tried that. We tried everything as four others. I think we do the same thing with our friends. Sometimes to where we complain and are we doing it really does. This is an issue that can help us solve we. Doing visit makes us feel good. He get into pity all. I'm so sorry that's so hard so I think it is that self awareness and that internal heart check of my my bringing this up as somebody who can actually help or this. My own need Jed. We've been speaking for over an hour. This has been flying as I think the longest podcast I've ever done in time just flew by. Yeah I know it was It was a good. You know what I've been. I've been telling Scott that I WANNA WANNA WANNA WANNA interview marriage therapist because it's such a we're such a complicated species really are and I. I think there's ways to make it simple and I feel like in a way In a way we've been or you know they. Did you ever read any books? By jared diamond or any of these guys like these anthropologists that talk about how civilizations collapse and stuff like that. No It'd be fascinating though so tell me more so I'll just give you a quick kind of kind of thing and I believe the collapse of the I think. All civilizations collapsed because of the collapse of the fundamental relationship between which is that in monogamous marriage between a man and woman. That's what I mean or actually know the marriage structure so there's I think that's the first part to go. I think in a sense that it actually isn't this complicated. But in a way we've kind of lost our way as a society and that we've made it more complicated than it needs to be You know that You know everybody you know. It's like normal that everybody will have a whole bunch of different sexual partners throughout their lives and then choose one when they're twenty eight thirty three or something like that right and then we have pornography and all sorts of salacious. Tv shows we watched and we have the Glamour for the Glory Glorification of lifestyles which are less than wholesome. And it's it's filling our minds with confusion when I think it's it's actually a lot simpler and in a way jet. I'm trying to find my way back to that simple place. I love that I think me and our families right there with you as far as we can take it and we can over complicate things. I know for genuine. I keeping things simple. Getting back to basics has been huge and Minnesota and right now it's starting to warm up just the other day we were saying now. We can't wait for the get hot enough that we can go out on our deck and turn on that fire again. Sit Out and have coffee in the morning. Gather round the fire. This is so simple things I think in relationships. Sometimes it's the little things that really do. Have the biggest impact it really. Is that walk together? That holding hands sitting by the fire to have coffee for us. It's me to put my laptop down and moment to connect with Jenny on whether it's my primary love language or if you're spot on in that we need physical tach but as Jenny Ravin my taking my hand in hers and for me. That's how powerful connection moment and so. I think there's fought on with these little things and getting back to some of those simple simple things that we did when we were dating. If we keep doing willy can't take our hearts and bring them back together. Jj Janko thanks for being a guest on the get a grip on life. Podcast tell everybody where they can find your books and your websites and your and your social media absolutely so everything's on my website. Www dot coffeeshop conversations dot com got some blog post on their links to all my books and mine of on there as well so if anybody wants to connect on coffee shop conversations dot com great way to dive deeper Eichel. Thanks for having me on the show. I'M GONNA ask you to come on again because I have a list of other things here that I'd love to talk with you about but I'll save them for now because I think in our twenty minutes is probably a good place to cut it out gesture. Jed Your Chanko thank you for being against again and God bless man my bank. This is fun folks. If you enjoy this podcast in your out there listening to it. I know Janai are grateful for you in all the listeners out there that took the time to spend with us today. Listen to our conversation. I know I enjoyed it immensely And but you know what deep in your heart of hearts you podcast listener deep down a lot of YOU WANNA START. Your own podcast. So what would I suggest I would suggest you come up with ten topics? Pick ten and then commit to doing ten shows. And don't put your head back up until you've done those ten shows and then decide if you wanna keep going or not. So that's what I would suggest. The average podcast network has a ton of PODCASTS. That have one episode or two episodes. Don't be a bucket list. Or if you're GONNA do it do ten go to get a GIFT STUDIOS DOT com. My producer can help you better than anybody. Thanks for listening folks.

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The Black Lives Matter generation remembers John Lewis.

THE NEWS with Anthony Davis

06:57 min | 7 months ago

The Black Lives Matter generation remembers John Lewis.

"Coming up on five minute news. Trump says he won't commit, to election results if he loses. Black lives matter, generation remembers John Lewis. And floods in the poll and India displace nearly four million people. It's Monday July twenty. I'm Anthony Davis. President Donald Trump is refusing to publicly commit to accepting the results of the upcoming white. House election, recalling a similar threat. He made weeks before the thousand sixteen vote. Trump says it's too early to make such an ironclad guarantee. The Biden campaign responded the American. People will decide this election and the United States. Government is perfectly capable of escorting trespassers out of the White House. Critics say it's remarkable that a sitting president would express less than complete confidence in the American democracies electoral process. Trump's language actions in recent weeks have been described as fascist after peaceful protests were kidnapped by his unidentified military police from the streets of Portland Oregon is recent declaration identifying Antifa as a terrorist organization would suggest that his administration is the fascist regime. They protest against trump is seen his presidential popularity erode. Erode handling of the coronavirus pandemic, and in the aftermath of nationwide protests centered on racial injustice that erupted after George Floyd's death in Minneapolis nearly two months ago. Trump said he could understand why black Americans are upset about how police use force disproportionately against them, but added his usual refrain that whites are also killed two, suggesting that he has not grasped the significance of the black lives matter movement. The United States tops the global covid nineteen death toll with over one, hundred, forty thousand, and confirmed infections of nearly four million. Currently, trump is seeking to block. Of dollars in funding for corona, virus, testing and contact tracing efforts as cases spike across the US, where around seventy thousand people testing positive each day trump has repeatedly blamed increased testing for the rising cases, though that theory is clearly debunked by the results of those very tests. US, Congressman John, Lewis died on Friday night months after being diagnosed with pancreatic cancer at a pivotal moment for race relations in the United States, protesters in cities from coast to coast, a demanding widespread reforms in the wake of the May twenty fifth police killing of Floyd of all the ways that John Lewis influenced American. Life and politics. He's indelible impact on young people may be among the most enduring from student activists to elder statesman Louis continually encourage. Encourage the nation's youth to start good trouble and modeled just how to do that. He was arrested alongside millennial activists pushing for comprehensive reform of US immigration laws in two thousand, thirteen for the black lives massive generation, the connection to Lewis is deeper than many may realize as a young man through clouds of tear gas into hail of billy clubs. Lewis nearly lost his life marching against segregation and for Voting Rights Democratic lawmakers said on Sunday they don't. Don't want tweet so condolences to on a civil rights icon. John Lewis they want policymakers to get to work to honor the Georgia Congressman's Legacy Representative James Clyburn the House majority whip urged. Donald, trump and Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell to pass legislation that would expand voting rights in Lewis's name Clyburn also called for the Edmund. pettus bridge in Selma Alabama to be renamed in honor of Lewis a lifelong friend. The bridge currently named after reform confederate general. General and Klu Klux Klan leader became a critical site during the civil rights movement on Bloody Sunday. In Nineteen Sixty Five Alabama state troopers beats peaceful demonstrators there, including Lewis, who suffered a fractured skull? Recent protests have prompted cities nationwide to reconsider monuments and honours granted to people with ties to the confederacy or other racists legacies an online petition to rename the bridge in Lewis's honor was drafted last month and has gained more than five hundred thousand signatures. Nearly four million people in India's northeastern state of Assam and neighboring pull have been displaced by heavy flooding from monsoon rains with dozens missing as deaths rose to at least one hundred and eight thousand nine government officials, said yesterday, the overflowing Brim Putra River which flows through China's Tibet, India and Bangladesh has damaged crops and triggered mudslides more than two point, seven five million people in Assam, who've been displaced by three waves of flood since late May that has claimed seventy-nine lives off. The two more deaths were reported overnight Osama's facing the twin challenge of combating floods and the coronavirus pandemic out of thirty three districts twenty-five remained defected after the current wave of flooding beginning a fortnight. India is grappling with the novel Corona Virus which is infected, nearly one point one million people there and twenty, six, thousand, eight, hundred sixteen have died from the covid nineteen disease in neighbouring Nepal. The government asked residents along its Southern Plains on Sunday to remain alert. Rains were expected to pound the Himalayan nation where more than one hundred have died in floods and landslides since June. You can subscribe to five minute news on Youtube with your preferred podcast APP. Smart Speaker or enable five minute news as your Amazon. Alexa flash briefing skin. Visit US online at five minute. Dot News five minute us is an independent production covering politics, inequality, health and climate, delivering unbiased, verifying and truthful World News daily.

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Greensboro sit-ins began - Feb. 1, 1960

This Day in History Class

07:39 min | 2 years ago

Greensboro sit-ins began - Feb. 1, 1960

"You know, people say necessity is the mother of invention. But that's not always true. Sometimes the mother of invention is advertising. Yeah. Or pure accident. How about ego maniacal delusion? Absolutely. Or just a desperate longing. To be cool. I'm Robert lamb, and I'm Joe McCormick. You're the host of the science podcasts stuff to blow your mind. And now we're branching off into the exploration of invention. Invention is the story of human history told one piece of technology at a time the things we made and how they made us invention publishes every Monday, listen and subscribe to invention on apple podcasts the iheartradio app or wherever you find your podcasts. Hi, I'm eve and welcome to this day in history class a show that uncovers history one day at a time today is February I twenty nineteen. The day was February first nineteen sixty. It was the height of the civil rights movement in America in black students across the south were organizing to fight for equal rights segregation between African American and white people was the norm. And for years activists have been fighting the status quo with methods of nonviolent protest so on the afternoon, February first four students name is AL blared junior. David Richmond, Franklin McCain and Joseph McNeil purchase items than down and a whites. Only counter at a Woolworth's store in Greensboro, North Carolina. They refused to move. Their action that day was simple. But it took careful planning and it spurred more Siddons across the country. The four men all students at North Carolina agricultural and technical state university. What become known as the Greensboro four. The four students would meet in their dorm rooms in so called all sessions where they discuss the treatment of black people in the US, and what they could do about it. But after Blair now named Gebreel because nine with denied service when he tried to get food at a greyhound bus station, the croup with moved to action. They knew they needed to do more in talk less to be able to incite real change. So they decided to protest segregation. I conducting a sit in at Woolworth, which was a large enough entity that any major disruption would get national attention from black and non black people. And if they got enough media attention they thought than they could get Woolworth to desegregate. It's been said that white store owner Ralph John's encouraged and council the Greensboro four into the Woolworth's citizens, but McCain and design have denied the sedan was John's idea anyway, the concept of a sit in was not new activists had engaged in this kind of protests for over a decade by this point. In nineteen forty-three Polly Murray, a Howard University law. Student who go on to become a lawyer and priest organized stool sittings in segregated cafeterias women in the citizens civil rights committee in Saint Louis, Missouri held lunch counter sit ins in the nineteen forties. And in the nineteen fifties. The congress on racial equality stage, sit ins in Baltimore to protest discrimination. But even though citizens had already been happening all over the country. The Greensboro Woolworth's did sparked a massive movement on February first the Greensboro, four try to order coffee at the World War lunch counter. But they were refused service as was the store policy. The staff asked the students to leave. But the students did not budge when police got to the Woolworth they said they couldn't take any action because the students hadn't provoked anybody. And even then local media was already all over the story. So the four state at the lunch counter until the store closed early. And then went back to campus to find more people to join their cause. The next day. Nearly thirty students showed up at the world worth counter to protests segregated and the day after that more than sixty students showed up. The student executive committee for Justice sent a letter to the president of f w Woolworth asking the company to quote, take a firm stand to eliminate discrimination in the following days. The protests grew students from Bennett college and deadly high school also joined the demonstrations as well as white students from nearby colleges members of the klu Klux Klan and white patrons heckled a student, but by February fourth the Sinden had spread to another lunch counter at S H, Kristen co. And on February fifth, the protests had grown to over three hundred strong and was getting a ton of media coverage some students protesting at the Woolworth and Chris stores did get arrested, but the boycotts were hurting the store sales and soon people all over the country were organizing sit ins and other forms of non violent protests against racial segregation, the student nonviolent coordinating committee formed in April nineteen sixty at the encouragement of civil rights organizer Ella. Baker. And in July nineteen sixty the Woolworth and Chris counters were integrated. If w will worth employees, Charles best, Mattie long, Susie Morrison and Jamie Robinson, or the first African Americans to eat at the Woolworth lunch counter. Steph coat in hopefully, you know, a little bit more about history today than you did yesterday. Hey, y'all if you listened yesterday, you know, that I had a cold, I'm still recovering from that cold voices, still horse. So thank you for bearing with me again. You can subscribe to this day in history class on apple podcasts, the iheartradio app or ever. You. Get your podcasts come back tomorrow for another tip. If from history. Hi, my name's Joshua, David Stein. I'm the host of the fatherly podcast here with my co host Jason gay eight with questions questions about what legal cannabis means for our kids who designs also playgrounds why our kids don't think we're funny true. We talked to a daredevil about managing risk and Gardner from Brooklyn who went to fight ISIS and Jamie, Oliver about failure. I learned a lot me too. So listen, you might learn a lot to thanks dad. Subscribe to the fatherly podcast on the iheartradio app or wherever you get your podcast the mail.

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47. Trillogy with Bun B

Now What? with Arian Foster

1:14:39 hr | 2 years ago

47. Trillogy with Bun B

"All right. Bye. Welcome back to the now. What podcast? I'm your host area foster, aka Bobby pheno, aka guy, we still run with that nickname. Can't really. I'm not mad at that can't certified it. Yeah. Menez game esteem fans that like. Fans that doesn't go appreciate. So if you don't know that kind of voice is bummed be the mayor. Take that may welcome man. How you doing good, man? I'm good. It's a while to get it. I got you out here in this is that man, where's that? In the height independence independence. I I don't know my way around he's kind of close to the heights. Got you data Jinyu also closer to all dean. Okay. Far from the hood. Okay. Security. So what's up, man? I appreciate you joining apartment, you wanna my you wanna my favorite people and you adapted me early and he's demand. I remember when when I when I started ball, man, you you reached out and we connected, and we actually had a couple of songs back in the day, man. But I ain't gonna put those out embarrassed myself yet. There was good music though. It's not my it's not my best. The pilots then it's our still figuring out. My my style man bars were there, but it's just I gave you a lot of credit because people artists trying to make the transition. And I think you wanted to better ones that actually making the transition into a full-fledged artist man appreciate but you take on the craft. Oh, that's that's really the difference. A lot of people do it when they can get to actually like, you know, took time out of your scheduling your day to make time to work on the craft. And I think it showed in mantis. That's you brave man high praise and I appreciate that man to hit somebody who's, you know, alleged establishing a gay man, it just let you know, you on a, you know, doing well, I mean, I'm gonna do what I feel anyway because the s the s the way to lead the happiness is doing what you feel. But anytime anybody certifies you as like like just adminis- appreciate that move on. I'm not just you know, I'm not just saying that in front of people, I told you that before and I think the project you put out man, I think it really reflected your. You know, your your attempt to actually show people that you have issues concerns, but you also really care about the art craft saying that the art of your craft, and you know, I I'm ready to go see the shows. Now, I shows book for sure man, we go with the house of blues people that don't know the house of blues November twentieth and twenty fourth. So you go pick up for tickets when Houston in Dallas the twenty rating. I'm actually rehearsing so we're gonna have a live band and all of that whole now, we'll have a live band. It's gonna be a good show. Man. I I want I wanted to I wanted to put on a show that was that people would leave like damn I I kinda kinda robbed him only pay twenty dollars for that. Instead of leaving the same. I can believe a paid twenty dollars for that. But I mean, it's kinda either. You say well, it was a twenty dollars. I hit it. It's gonna be interesting to see I'm going to be in house today. If we wanna see I wanna see how this happens in real time. I love your first shows. Yes, I do shows is crazy. So that's why that's probably like I'm rehearsing for week bringing the whole band down. And we rented a studio out. So we can put an eight hour days. It's gonna be a real crazy. That's gonna be your first show. That was not what my I show. I show was that house blue. Yeah. No, I'm I'm gonna unique position from from artists that I started out. I think a lot of artist nowadays, they get into the music industry and unique position because there's a lot of avenues that are available to you mmediately as artists now as before, you know, we kind of have to fight to get into those places. There used to be. It took a while for hip hop to get into like house a true like that. That's true. You know, L A, especially they used to really give on his headaches with people you could bring in and what kinda show will you doing? Dan, ackroyd was a little bit more hands on in earliest days. Also blues they really were trying to keep it to certain look in a certain feel hip hop just didn't fit into what they wanted. But eventually, you know, people wanted to see it performed. And they wanted a busy us. And I know you guys are pioneers. Bless you, brother. You guys you guys are pioneers in that. If there's an this people listen to in there's background noises is I first live event, we're doing it in front of an audience, man. But you guys are pioneers in the fact that you guys had to take a lot of those bullets early on to pave the way to get hip hop where it is right now and hip hop right now is the number ones genre in the world. And y'all moved at gravel out of the way. I mean, you know that. That's just kinda how history works, right? Like the people that came before us. They didn't have opportunities that we have you know, what I'm saying. They were playing a lot of skating rinks, and, you know, small like, not even hip hop clothes back, then they were more alternative disco kind of clubs, you know, saying so they would get like sandwich bags of money. We started getting like grocery bags of money now kids nowadays, they getting trash bags and it's just a natural progression life. You know, the people, you know, before them these play the back, you know, the backwoods and joints and all that kind of stuff. So everything progresses in life. I feel like I'm gonna do place in history. You know what I'm saying? I'm twenty six years in and I'm still doing, you know, saying like, this is still my primary source of income. We found other ways to bring in money with this is still pretty much. What pays the lights? Keep the lights on it in the roof over the head. So to speak and is beautiful to still be a part of it at this stage progressed into different appreciation, different music's music. Is really more about energy right now is in a very bay state, which is not a bad thing. I think it's the purest connection that people can make is just to the drum. That's the first connection that mankind. Made to sound was to the drunk. People are very very drawn to this to this drum right now, that's heavy point. So you that's why you see a lot of deejays in that whole point of killing right now. Well, I mean, it's it's the most primal instinct of a human to want to draw like if you go to these EDM concerts that have the one do standing in. What's he do? He takes drum out people come on put your hands up giving you don't share the energy. And then he drops the drum gives them the drum back then people go insane. There's very primal. But it's very humid Saint. Wow, that's I've never even and that's a healthy way to Lagoda right because people people view and one of my one of the homeys actually in college said because I used to be like one of those backpacking rappers while used to I just love like the cypher, and I used to love like the true roots, especially hip hop. I loved and then it kind of started getting a little more mainstream. Like, the low Wayne's and the cash money that stuff started popping off, and I used to used to not like it. But he was like why are you hip hop in his box, and it's just this box. He said look at hip, hop more of like a tree and in growing got branches. Like, you know, w right. I mean to take chicken strange to take chicken I like fried chicken, right, right? I don't like baked chicken, right? I don't like stooge shadow. Do your. Fried chicken, right, but other people like chicken a different ways. So that's just how we have to look at coaching Bill saying, everybody's gonna wanna be a part of the culture. But maybe not a part of the coach. You don't say, but we all wanna be a part of it. Right. Is it something very communal about being with people who like the same thing you like a lot of people. It's not the easiest thing in the world. That's why people go on social media now and the internet now to find people that are like them even crazy regions. Like, I'm a hater. I need to find other haters. Now, they find a community a haters. And then just like, what do you hate? I hate this. I hate that too. Right. Like that. It's just everybody wants to be a part of something and hip, hop culture allows people from all different parts of life and all different walks of life and communities to come and be a part of something and there's history too. So it's like, oh, you have to do is kind of understand a little bit of the history. Not a lot of some of the basics of it. And then you could be a part of it and embrace it and go to concerts and sing songs with people and be a part of that energy. And just wait for those little moments where we all scream the same words, I s beautiful way of putting it, and I 'cause you see a lot of. This tribalism with hip hop now days where it's like some of the cats from their generations are saying it's not it's it's not supposed to be done like this and his new cats like this vibe, and I was actually reading or I saw this video this guy. And he he referenced the book says your your brain on music, and he was talking about how your taste in music is pretty much set at the age of fourteen. And so he said if you look back, and you read clips from when the Beatles first came out people from the previous generation were saying, those kids are awful that is not what music sounds like that or not how supposed to be. And if you look every single generation says that about the past generation, and that's just what we're seeing. Now, we're just in the information age now where we can actually look back in kind of a step outside of ourselves and look at it generational gap is necessary. Right. Because that's what we started to have problems in the family is win the young people in old people doing the same thing they enter the same thing. That's when families tend to. Have a lot of conflict. You know what I'm saying? So yeah, I can see the concept of music where people kind of seeing who they want to I want to identify with F fourteen right at the same time, though. You can listen to music at fourteen and like it dance to grew. They really don't have an idea of what it is what they're talking about. We grew up listening to the oddly brothers and Mays in them talking about love and relationships and it's almost like weekend lover Saturday. Love I didn't know what any of that stuff. Had a good groove to it. So you were dance to and then you get older older. They was cheating on people with. So so I think, but I do think that you know, music is the way that we decide to kind of people we wanna be around based on the music. We listen to that's part of what we talk about it our class at Rice University is, you know, people tend to choose the company they keep by the religion they practice, and or the music that they listen to you know, what I'm saying. Because it's it's a again a communal situation where people want to be around like minded people feeling that energy. It's the same way where people go to church, and they feel what they call the anointing where you can get that same feeling it a musical setting with a bunch of like minded people waiting for that drum to drop. You know, what I'm saying that energy becomes reciprocal and everybody in the room giving themselves over to the moment. The person on stage give that moment back to you. And that's what makes a concert fund drive. That's what makes people enjoy going to see music performed this win. They, you know, they sing along with music or dance to the music the band sees it they're responding to the Serb away. And then they give them a little bit more. A little bit more energy a little bit more, you know, basil guitar solos and drums so little things like that. And it's all it's all about the energy in the room. And I think I think young people operate under cert- energy. I think middle aged people operate on a certain energy and older people operate under certain energy, and whatever those different generations, try to share that same energy, and it isn't from a spiritual aspect. That's when things kind of go crazy because the kid in a mom, and a grandmother shouldn't be tour contingency. Somebody needs to grow up. You know, it's gonna be interesting though. Because if if if you if you look at the trend in music, and culturally, it gets a little more. The term I get free. So the for the for the free expression is getting more and more prevalent in the music and the culture, right? Oh, so so I think it's going to have to come to a breaking point would be walking around naked. We're getting colds because this is this generation. Found out what grow folks were doing quicker than any generation before. Yeah. You don't saying they were certain things that we kept the younger people away from they didn't really have a lot of information about it. They couldn't get access to it trying to head to kind of wait until they actually became of age to know, what those things really work. And this is the first generation that didn't have to become of age to know what grown people were doing. That's true. So, you know, so their response to things is different. They're posted things is different. And so we just have to kind of accept that. That's the reality of the world we live in and calibrate things a little different. We have to calibrate our families calibrate, the communication and change the way that we discuss these things, and you know, the way that appearance did it with us. It's not going to be the way that we get to do it with our kids. We just won't have that luxury. Right. Yeah. It's it's always interesting to me to to see how we govern. How you govern your own household as opposed to your parents? And we have this new tool that our parents never had to deal with is which is the internet. Absolutely. And. The internet has changed everything for the course of humanity. I get that has. Probably been the biggest change in human history. Probably since the last probably the printing press printing press or the industrial revolution cable, TV did a lot far generation to it. Open us up to a lot of things a lot of leg. You know, persistent use of language and nudity and all those kinds of things simulating sex all that kind of stuff to our generation at a very young age fifteen sixteen but now that stuff is open to kids now eighteen years old and a lot of parents don't want admit that they're really not monitoring the children's. Yeah. Us on the internet because a lot of these parents are very active themselves on the internet. A lot of them have hidden lives on the internet, and they're trying to protect the integrity of their page more than they're worried about things. And then he other side of that always talk about is the fact that a lot of parents bring a computer into the house before they really know what a computer does stray by the computer because the kid needs the computer for school. Or whatever like that. But the kid knows more about the computer than the it's not gonna parent monitor the kid every day. You gotta tell you. What's my password again? Remember their password. These things that we have to make adjustments for and you know, that's why I think we should we should it should be mandated like it's meant mandatory that our kids are learning issue like we should change the the school curriculum on social media as should be social media mandatory classes on on every all the ends and outs of there too. I think that's the problem. Parents don't you can't mandate. These. Understand facebook. Maybe Twitter kind of Instagram. They really don't understand Snapchat at all in that sense. You said I don't understand that. You know what I'm saying? So so so you can't you can't give your children access to things that that you don't understand you shouldn't be giving children access to that. But then it's very easy for child to have these things going on secretly you. Don't miss the big red button. Right. So like the big rig button is is when you're when you have a kid, and you say man, don't press that big red button. That's the first thing. He's gonna do everyday wanted to know what happens when you press the red. But so how do you hide things from so I can't anymore. That's that's what I'm saying. That's that's the problem. So we have to rethink parenting. You're saying what what what kind of solutions do deal? I think I think the thing is communication one. What I'm saying? We have to talk to our kids about things whether we're comfortable with talking about it. Whether the kids are comfortable talking about it. You have to talk to your children, and let them know that you have a frame of. Reference about these things 'cause they're going to go to school in these conversations are going to be happening. Anyway, you know, what I'm saying? So you have to try to make the best effort. You can't keep a very open line of communication one other parents has to have that line of communication open with the kids. So when the kid doesn't wanna talk to mom dad can get that out of vice versa. You know, I'm interested in the effects of that too. Because I have a very very open relationship with my parents. And I think that helped me sift through a lot of emotional issues. I had as a child it was like, I know I was never frayed to talk to my people about anything. Whereas some of my friends, they couldn't curse runner parents say certain things they had to hide a lot of who they were from their parents when they when they grew up, and they had to reveal who to actually were to their parents. They had so much conflict. Well, parents in one I think parents parents who they children parents know, what their children can handle, right? So kids some kids can't be given enough leeway to where they'll stay within those boundaries. Right. Parents know, right. This. Kid if I tell him don't go to where but the school back in the car, that's what he's going to do. But this one. All the time. But this one here, I can't get this when they call it all gonna go to. Going. Parents have an idea of what their kids can handle their what their kids will gravitate to because the kids are them. Right. Right. And so they know the best of themselves, but they also know the worst of themselves, they know their tendency, you know, what I'm saying and they see themselves in their children all the time. They've seen it in the body language the way, they laugh to characteristic. They're already know what this kid is going to do saying. So, you know, and it's just about being more honest in and having these kind of conversations, but you have to know when your child is mature enough to have these you know, what I'm saying. I think your parents probably saw little bit earlier maturity in certain certain things I've actually as kids we're going to we're going to test the waters, whatever, but there's certain things that kids can handle certain kids can handle than other kids. And parents kind of they kind of know that. Everybody loves watching football. 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You you teach. A course at rice could you could you expand on that a little bit. Yeah. University into deep into it. This course, we teach coach each together myself and Dr Anthony pin spotted the circle program, which is a cultural exchange on rice university's campus. And it's about hip hop religion. And it's about the parallels socially about hip, hop religion. And the things that they share in common with regards to the black experience in America. Which is now come become more of the cultural experience in America now. But it's basically what we were talking about earlier where people tend to pick the people they wanna be around, and they wanna live based on either the music, they listen to end or the religion, they practice, you know, once you start drawing, those hardline whether or not you like Norwegian death metal west coast games, they help I'll never those kinds of things, and you really start start to define the circle of people that you even wanna be around. And get information from give information to commune with at the same thing goes with religion. A lot of us are born into certain religions and over they make a connection spiritually with that religion for one reason or another and decided to choose another path in life another way to go or some people even go as agnostic, you know, so forth. So, but it's really just for having those conversations and seeing how artists themselves deal with it. We go onto talking about how sometimes people's religion become a big part of their music. Sometimes it can be a contrast to the music people find himself in different situations based on the music. They wanna do such as orthodox Muslims who are really only supposed to sing in worship. So they have to there's always a conflict within that situation as to should I even be doing this. You know, something that feels real to me. But in my in my raised religion that I practice it's frowned upon. All right. So, you know, there's different conflicts that people have with the music. And the religion. And there's different things that kinda going in in to and fro with it. With people get a lot of their information from the church, and as far as the black experience if always gotten a lot of information from the church and from hip, hop music and a lot of generation, so these these are some of the things we talk about not fully engrossing what filling grows the classes to give away to the horse. Yeah. Rice with free shipping. What it's been an amazing experience man, actually, like be an educated, people know what I'm saying and speak the truth of the culture to some of these young minds because you know, I get a rice university's very diverse university. But a lot of people who come to. My course don't really have many frames of reference other than a few songs. They've heard on the radio a couple of videos on U2. coach Li they have no frame of reference or even the starting point even know what hip hop true nature is about and what the Choi tensions of the creation of the culture were meant to be. Right. So we. Talk about a lot of that. And we put it in historical context. I wanna ask you your your opinion on that. Specifically could I go back and forth with it? But obviously, I try to find ways to intellectually defend the culture, I was raised in the culture that that is hip hop. Right. Where it's a lot of. Of advocacy for violence and drug use absolute where as it's like when you're. I was given an example, I group in a domestically house. All right. So when I things going on in my house and the neighbor will call the police actually, get mad at the neighbor. This has nothing to do with you. Right. But like internally I knew what was going on. And it's kind of analogous to hip hop. Where it's like, you you hear a song and have somebody. That's not a part of that. Critique it and say look how it's bad for the community. And you're like not really because in context, this this this that and other 'cause a lot of is just reporting about what's going on. There's a there's a bit of it. There is some all hip hop is indefensible even though we try to defend the culture as a whole right all every hip hop. Song? Can't be defended saying I've made music that I can't defend out all of the person. You know what I'm saying? It was just from a very ignorant standpoint and not really taking the larger world into consideration. With a lot of his own necessarily live in larger brought a world, we live in a very small confined piece of this planet, and we're we're kind of prone to the actions that we've seen in this part of the planet that we've been on. You know, what I'm saying that being said, you already know like shoot, some if you shoot somebody that doesn't justify you going out and shooting somebody just because you were raised with shoot people that doesn't mean that's what you have to do these conscious decisions. But I do think I do think that music can be if his views is done. Well, write music has done it his highest form, it can engage people that can inform people. You know what I'm saying? Can bring out the best in people. But it can also be used as an avenue to bring out other energy in people. And sometimes that's an energy that people feel they need to get out. You know what I'm saying? So I feel like there's a lot of literal terminology that many people are really only thinking of using figurative way. You know what I'm saying? But the literal like, you know, Sam wanted to just, you know, we talk about wrapping, we'll f you up or whatever, you know, what I'm saying. Because what we mean lyric? But, but we mean lyrically, you know, what I'm saying. But other people wouldn't draw that distinction right from it. So you know, I could understand things the misunderstood and looking at the culture from the outside. But then some of it is exactly what it is. You know? But at the same time, it's ours. You know, what I'm saying every family is dysfunctional. But that doesn't mean we reject our family, and the people in it, you know, we love our family, and we we deal with the little flaw that we each have in our family, and some of those things are are harder to deal with with some of us than others. But it is what it is. None of a perfect. And and so we try to protect our family at all times. And I think there's just a part of hip hop people in in the coaster trying to defend the culture as a whole and in order to do that you have to defend the good and the bad sometime say, yeah, my brother little bastard, but. But he's real good at domino as well. And he's going to grow out of it. So, but so I get it, man. I get I get there being a moral conflict for some people. Sometimes I actually was talking about that with Toby I wanted to obey to be on my last album, and he was like, oh, gee, I sent him several songs, and he was like, oh, gee to be honest. This is not the direction of trying to go musically. Yes. I would love to do a song with you. I can't do these songs because it would misrepresent what my movement is. And I thought that was you know, I thought that was pretty elegant vaccine for artist to say, I mean, just just. Yeah. Like 'cause I need I need to be me more than I need to be associated with you in this moment in time about that was amazing to have that level of clarity depression, young artists. You know what I'm saying? And if you haven't heard him man, check him out, it's it's Toby in our mess up his last name. I don't wanna butcher that. I've never gotten the name. Right. And I don't want to agree. We knew my bad, homey. I think the way Guay baby my bad. But it's always interesting to hear that perspective man from from from from all sides of the of the aisle of where hip hop is. And what it stands for especially from somebody who teaches of course. And you said it best is you can't you can't defend every hip hop. So you can't and to we're not hitting defend everything that everybody does. But everything every little thing that someone does is necessarily Representative of them as a complete person is very easy to look at the worst moment to certain people in judge them at hold them accountable to that moment, you know, what I'm saying. But while anyone any of us, we wanna be held two hours moments. Even though some people's worse worse than others. But, but it's just as level of judgment and people, you know, feeling the need to have an opinion about someone at all time. Yeah. It's also a part of the culture that we're in right now this politically enhance climate this this this judge me now double tap like this don't like this climate that we're in. It's it's infectious. And I'm not sure you got you have to disconnect sometimes because it's just people turning zombies, man. What what it is people? Go there for emotional encouragement. Right. So you go in there. And you'd be like, oh, man. This is beautiful flower. And then people that's a beautiful out. That's amazing. It really is beautiful. And you know, you flowers, you know, what I'm saying? All this looks amazing. That is amazing food. I bet it tastes good too. Man. You really got to taste. So you get this all this emotional support in emotional encouragement and get your under the assumption that everybody agrees with you. Or at least everybody in your space agrees with you. Then you comment on what you stand with Bill. Cosby, and it's like, whoa. Ios. They and Bill book is raised an idiot now. And then you don't get the emotional encouragement that you thought you were going to get and then it becomes confusing, and it's off putting right everything else was liked and now this is not appreciating. So then you get you almost train yourself to to constantly only put up content that you think people will like or become the opposite. Where it's like, okay. We'll Iago switch on me like that. We'll fuck out. And then it becomes putting up content. That will only offend. That's where the troubling situation comes from. You know what I'm saying damn? Yeah. Now, you s heavy though as a heavy because I mean, I I guess I'm just one of those cats who I don't I mean, part of the reason why I'm internet is for you know, you have a social presence. I have a fan base. So have I have an avenue to to create content people either like dislike it, and I've I've been I've become numb to that. Part of it. You know, I'll Bantu with people, but it doesn't affect my day to day. Life is. As far as that is concerned. But people. Here all the time in and his isn't real. It's not it is though it really is. It's it's the realist say that in that real. This is real as it gets interwoven in its what everything that we would people would really say to you. If they knew you would never be able to if there was no repercussion at the world. We live in and see. That's the scary part of what I think the internet is is because I look at Twitter as kind of a Twitter and Instagram to a certain extent, but Twitter's more of a world about of ideas where it's just like this microcosm of of ideologies fighting each other constantly end. Whereas if you go to the store unless you wearing black lives matter t shirt or or make America great again hat like you're not really going to get into into within. But you don't care what your cashier things. You don't care what the person buying oranges next things. It's not really that serious. But when you go on your feet, and you see all these comments, you just look for that combatant if but it's it's it's no starts that are dormant and people's hearts that are just. Bubbling. And that's that's what scares me. It's like slow and slowly come into service with some of protests, they become violent and and yadda yadda, yadda. Yeah. Somebody's things are coming to fruition. We'll people are coming outside with the inside voice. That's what's happening. People are really coming outside with the anti avoidance. And as you see sometimes these whenever they try to have those confrontations in real life. They never work out the way. Take is going to worry definitely becoming barbecue Betty or something like that. Right. But, but that's really like that's the internet has become a place for people who used to mumble things under their breath to say something out loud. And they know that they're saying something offensive, and but if no one's following them. Then there's no one to get fended. Right. So then there's this search to go out and just be on certain pages of people that they see our emotional about certain things and go there and try to offend them. Right. You know what I'm saying? It's human nature to want to know, what someone doesn't like you want to rectify that. That's that's that's where I sit with very human to to be like, you know. Well, why don't you like me because you don't see any? I don't see anything wrong with myself. I feel like everybody. And then when somebody says that you know, it really throws you off like you could be in a room with a thousand people in nine hundred ninety nine of them can say, they love you. And then one person could say, well, I don't really care for you. And you'll go home all nights in the bed like stealing. Why did he like me? What was it my Cologne? Whatever that are not, you know, one of my breath thinking what was in it. Because it it raises raises self judgment, right? And it puts you in a place of insecurity in their moment. And people don't like being a feeling insecure in those moments, and that's why sometimes you get into an argument with someone online where you really shouldn't even be having an argument with a person with a Egge for face. But it just you know, it's it's it's human nature in. And I think a lot of people are paying attention more and more to human nature, and what humans are susceptible to. And they're creating these worlds strictly to entertain those type of people, and they're making a lot of money off this. That's that was my next point. Actually is like you'll see. People have branded themselves like the ambassadors of the voices of the quote, unquote voiceless, and they're reaping the benefits often these people's real emotions like, and I don't even want to name the names. But like there's there's people out here who have just developed brands and are making millions of dollars going on speaking tours just plan to people's fears. And it's it's demagoguery. It's it's annoying. But there's no I don't see any remedy for it because it's so successful in America is made. It's it's it's it's America's so is is living off of blood. Well, I think what happens is is that people see these underserved communities underserved groups of people, and they try to go and service, those people now some people can have good intentions, right? If you go to the community, you see it's a food desert. You wanna bring that kind of thing there too. You know, but I think a lot of people are preying on people's worst sides more sensitive these and to be very. Very Frank without your hope, you don't mind me being. I think what we're seeing now is is a big part of our society, which has never been appreciated or appropriated. And that is the poor white poor white man in America. If someone black gets shot right now today, and there's a rally you're gonna see black people white people Mexican people Japanese people saying things if you see it in a Latin community community, you'll see other people come out. No one comes out for the pool. No one stands up for the Poway. No one. There's no special interest group for the poor white man exception, except the klu Klux Klan, they're the only people that take any kind of look or concern into those people, and they know that there's a large group of people in this country who who and they're not necessarily racist there. You know what I'm saying? But they are disenfranchised, and they look at you know, like, I'm just as poor as poor black man, but the poor black man gets a -firmative action. Why don't I get that? You know what I'm saying? So it's just a one part of this this world that we live in that's just undeserved, underserved, and underappreciated. And so we now have people that go around and prey on these microcosm of our society purely for profit what I'm saying just by making people feeling appreciate it. You'd be surprised with somebody would do for you. If they feel appreciated by new go wouldn't be about money. Anything they'll go above and beyond. All right. You know what I'm saying? That's damn I've never even thought of that as I mean. Is there? It's Dan face. But we don't really take. Yeah. Take notice to having big. I mean, and there's just in the same way that things happened in our community that people don't take notice. Yeah. I just grew up around it. So it was it was it was right? There's a certain familiarity. These thing that some people have absolutely no frame of reference, and you have to actually make them aware that it's actually happening. Yeah. You know, what I'm saying because they don't even believe that it's actually happening. And if you could prove it's happening, they'll take it's happening that much it's just very isolated cases. And then you pull out the full records, and you see this happening too much. And then black lives matter comes up, and then it becomes their becomes an opportunity to take people away from the original intention of the message if people caught up in in terminally downed up there really fucked up because it's. It's just like you said unless unless somebody brings attention to it, and I don't want to ever sympathize with the klu Klux Klan, but it kind of which we shouldn't percent. But when they say, okay, our brothers and sisters are they probably mean different than I do. And they say our brothers and sisters are also being disenfranchised. We have to stand up for. It's almost admirable. I mean, it was arable the Panthers and people don't appreciate them. And they'll respect I I wanna conflate those two. But I'm saying, it's it's it's it's. They're doing it for different reasons. Absolutely. But it is a different play. Right. So so there's a different, you know, the different thing when you say certain certain class of people are being disenfranchised. Right. Will who did this in franchising? Yeah. Right. So the the the bully can't be the victim. Always. I think that's that's where the lack of empathy comes from is. There's never say never, but the majority of our human history. It's it's hasn't been white men that have been suppressed they've been the oppressors. Yeah. Will I mean, they've they've been primarily the people without only only someone with our suppress you. You know, what I'm saying that gay just wake up and be like, I'm gonna go to press. Troy Troy, Troy houses suppressant, right? Troy got more money than you got a better job than you. It's very hard to do that. You know what I'm saying? Because a mental thing where you try to tell someone oh don't worry about that. Even the richest black person the world is still a nigga. You know, they're still less than you doesn't matter. What they have what society is giving this still less than you. I was having a conversation with my boy last night. Actually, we were talking about. How is always interested in me? How? If you look at our culture, the black experience in America, we've always moved pop culture. Like, it's rare that you'll see a dance nationally get recognition that that doesn't come directly from our neighborhoods rarely like people, aren't you? See anybody viral doing the two step? You know, what I mean, this is just a rare event, and we were kind of dawned on me like that. I don't really know what it comes from. But my best guess is like p people love, I mean, granted were naturally rhythmic people. But aside from that, I think the the pain that we draw from coming from those neighborhoods. Brought about that style that the dance is always been the identity. Right. That's what I don't think. A lot of people realize that that's before there were shared languages between people. That's how people communicated who they were through dance. So everyone was standing around in the circle in a person would come out. Out and be like, I'm Terry. I'm strong and fast. You know what I'm saying? I like women. Just just kind of their way of I'm a hunter. You know what I'm saying? And that's how you identified yourself to dance that we still have that through this day. You have these groups of people that come together, and that's how they identify themselves. Just do these dances. And when people feel feel that that that fits their identities well than they do that dance to they would like this is a group of people. I wanna be around. I'm gonna do this dance to so now everybody wants to do the shoot. That's how you kind of identified people you wanna be around because if they're doing that dance than you're listening to this music. They're probably a fan of this person. They probably make about this much money. They might even still be in school. Like me all of these things can define a person just through the dance they're doing, and it it tells me everything I need to know about you. So if you're doing Boston Nova, okay, I don't want to be around this this. I you know, what I'm saying. They probably were raised a certain way around certain group of people went to these kind of events, and those are the kind of dances that they did that might be a little bit too upper-crust for me our stand up. Why are they so stiff? Why is it such a big difference between the way that they dancing the way the the have nots dance? Well, I think because it's interesting topic because if you own land, and you have money, then that's how you identify yourself. Right. So the US you would have dinner fire yourself do the clothes that you wear. Right. Do the, you know, the pomposity of your hair. You don't understand twenty four. See if your clothing, right? Where did you get the silk from where did you get the materials from? That's another way of identifying yourself. You know what I'm saying? So and the dance is always from the disenfranchised kind of people, right right people who have kind of lost their identity. So when the slaves came to American they came from different parts of Africa or came from Haiti or came from Portuguese, or whatever that's how they define who. They were what tribe they were from let people know what part of the world they were from what I'm saying. So so so and it still happens to this empires. There has to be some kind of documentary on the history of dance. But I've never really looked into. It might have to do it. I'm down. Link to. But as somebody who like like, I said earlier in the conversation kind of paved the way for this for this game right now, it's the number one genre in the world. I mean, no other Jonah in the world is moving like hip. Hop is moving do you just sit back sometimes like man, look, look what I helped the build. I mean, my life is still a reflection of it right through their doors are still open to me because of being a part of the coach I just came back from Mexico City shooting viral video with shell in Ferrara for the F one that all comes through hip hop. And that's never something that I thought that that was never supposed to be a part of it. I'll make a record that people in my neighborhood liked in that maybe they played at the skate rink. It was never supposed to be a fulltime job much less career much lesser calling. You know what I'm saying? But these doors in these opportunities just kept coming across in. I didn't want to not give it a try. Right. I felt like I felt like they were things that I could do chances. I could take that maybe other people couldn't right? I feel like I clearly define who. I would as the person as artists who I am and his world. So let me go try this, right? Quick. Let me go over here. Hang with these people. Let me go do this right with this is play unfinished Komag until everybody alive. And and when you start taking on the role or responsibility of being OG, you're supposed to be buying a bullet you supposed to go out and and test to test the ground for Milan moms and things like that to make sure that the next generation has a good chance or a good opportunity as you had. You know, what I'm saying you're supposed to lead the game better than you found it on the way, you can do that is by help helping the next generation come to easier than you came to. Now, you can't solve everybody. Problems because the way music is listen to the ways received is constantly changing. It's constantly evolving. But there are certain basic things about, you know, don't mess with groupies. You know, don't spend all your money on jewelry. There's somebody little things that you can still give people that are very general in life itself. That's just very basic. You know, things that people need to know gang as as navigating life. And and if you've been lucky enough to navigate these waters, even more so have people speak into your life. I had forty I had to short Jay print. Mary hankinson. I had a lot of different people who have been in a game before a certain aspects in certain fields. Whether it be as recording artist as a businessman as a publishing, you know company, all these different things and people gave me gain. You know what I'm saying? And so I just feel like it's mandatory to give game that people. If you've been, you know, if the game has been giving, you know, absolutely, man. Yes. The. I always say like, especially our generation of artists that came out of the south headed the hardest of anybody in his genre. No, no questions asked because you had LA is the hub for Hollywood. That's you have all those entertainers around. Then New York is New York. The media mech of the world and the south had such a hard time getting recognize recognition in this genre and you'll had crime the hard way. Well, I would think was it was always to everything I go back to in this life is about proximity. Right. And so we're being in the south. We would just not close to these places. We would just very far away. It was never lack of talent. Because I feel like we always had the talent. We always had the music we always had the movements. It was just getting the rest of the world to see and hear it and being a position to appreciate you go to a record company in New York. Everybody works in a record companies from New York. There's a lot of people that make. In New York. So it's a lot easier for New York label with New York employees to sign a New York orders because everybody gets it. Right. The kid from Brooklyn is an ours. From Brooklyn, his RND persons for Brooklyn is radio guys from Brooklyn, or you know, everybody's from here. They understand it purely. We get it less money behind. But then you sign to try to sign a group from Houston. Right. And nobody that works in your record company has ever been to Houston understand that he's the city coach. And they literally just didn't know what to do with it. Right. So we realized that nobody was ever gonna understand us better than us. So we needed to be all spokes people, but we didn't have the avenues television. We didn't have avenues in magazines or anything like that. So the only time people would ever see see us would be in person. Like you. We didn't even have like we had like six hours, probably four videos total. So we record company Deb even wanted to spend money on us because we we need to shoot a video like. This. They'd be like nobody does that. We're not. We're not doing it with the fuck it. We don't wanna video then. Would just keep that money on the budget. And so it was imperative us to actually get out on the road and go from city to city and put ourselves in front of people as often as possible. So they could see the reflection of the music in their face and try to be everything that they were expecting us to be in that moment. Yeah. And that would just kinda way that people from down here knew that they would have to do this this whole music thing to get on. And it's not like it hadn't existed before because it's the same scenario for artists of color, right, basically. So that same chitlins circuit that was only available to black artist in the fifties. And sixties was now still there vailable for us in the eighties nineties into the two thousand and only until then that hip hop as a coach started becoming more than just music. You know, what I'm saying made from these inner cities became some of the biggest music in the world, and it it literally hip hop. So's every prod. In the World Food, clothing cars. There is not one commercial Serio now to be we'll be is wrapping up. Everything you drink everything you eat, everything you drive the clothes. You wear. It sells all of that saying, so it's this it now has a point of reference for the whole world to draw from. And so that's what our classes is is really about his very important to show people. What the true intention of hip. Hop culture was supposed to be about before people realize the value in the coacher info as far as connecting with people not SO beautiful. And I mean, you notice that you see talking to my boys a decent Mero podcast. And we were saying like the Doritos commercials in the nineties were Supra corny like nowadays. Like, you said the B is rapid on a honeycomb. This is the world. I just saw new mountain dew commercial. And it was like Cardi B, drip, drip, though, man. Do I see? Oh, I think it was Busta rhymes and Missy Elliott on I think it was like like during the game. The game of thrones. Dude, Tyrian, that's my guy. Yeah. Him and more your Freeman people. So there you go. Yeah. That'd be just it's beautiful to see how how have you from my lands? And I and I know people hate when you bring race and everything, but it's just a beautiful thing. When a bunch of have-nots from from the inner city slums can create something so beautiful that the entire world loves it. Beautiful and go because it's a unique experience. All right. And that's that's an experience that very few people. Have they'll really know anything about it and to see people like I say earlier like they can't believe that that's actually happening. They can't believe that people grow up in abject poverty in America. They think that's something that you see on commercial from countries around the world, but they don't they don't know how poor people really really are in America. And the fact that being poor and being from that desperate situation doesn't always turn people to drugs and doesn't turn everyone to crime at some people actually find a way to to get out of this situation to transcend through all of the ugliness in the madness. That's around him and find a way to L acute it either through the written word or through acting or through sports or do music, or whatever it is. They they find a way to release the pressure in the stress of dealing with that kind of environment. They find an outlet for themselves. And whereas a lot of people that look at that experience. But I would have folded, you know. And so seeing these unique people from these unique spurious experiences. Transcend is very interesting for people who basically have never gone through anything. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So that's why a lot of people gravitate to it because of the edginess within his also the edginess that they blame on the culture at the same. Right. Right. So it's like, oh, man. Those kids with the hoods on they're really cool, but you're gonna watch them 'cause they're wearing hoods. Right right now. One of the one of the opportunities that I think is unique to America. Is is the way is is the innovation here. So for perfect example is how for some reason how we do things culturally in America, transcends and matriculate s- throughout the world. So like social media is a huge is a huge, huge example of this. And how artists nowadays are are using social media to elevate their platforms, and so like back back when when you guys were coming up you had to build your fan base organically going to shows word of mouth things like that where now you can have your own fan base and build a career if your fan base and just tour, and you don't even have to be mainstream. It's it's like the guerrilla marketing like you guys did. Well, it's a lot easier to find that fan base. Yeah. Right. Like, those kind of situations have always existed. There's always been anomalies in a game. Where guys were making music that everybody else wasn't necessarily making being into, but still ahead sustainable careers. You know, what I'm saying that just came? From touring Allott and going to small places that you'd never would have gone, and and finding a different level of appreciation for what it is. You do what you represent. That's how people like technology can still have such a, you know, a very strong career. Even you know years later because he was out on the road going to different cities in different places. He's going everywhere. Everybody else went, and then he was going everywhere that nobody went and it was in that world of traveling where nobody went where he became king because he was the only people that were servicing. Those people talked about it earlier this franchise people being appreciated. You know what I'm saying? So you somebody that would go to you know, Butte Montana, and, you know, North Dakota and Wyoming with hip hop. And you know, what I'm saying they were different people, and they didn't necessarily look like the typical fans that we expect to see people who are more knowledgeable and more immersive in the culture. But they wanted to appreciate it. They wanted to be a part of it. And and so the the internet kind of does the. Hi, work for you know, what I'm saying put the music out. And then you can look at the analytics and see. Okay. We'll people really like what I'm doing the Saint Louis and people really like what I'm doing in Detroit. And for some reason, they really like what I'm doing in Sacramento. So I need to look into the vibes. It oh cities the inner city and see what it is that they all kind of do the same on doing the same drugs. Do they drive the same kind of cars? You know, what I'm saying they enter the same sports teams. There's something that all these people have in common, or they are they certainly like for me a lot of my fan base or people who are in communities that are are a bit removed from popular culture. So they're still wearing clothes in certain cities in Alabama and Mississippi that people in New York stop wearing ten years ago. You know what I'm saying? But but they're getting they're getting things culturally. There's a time lapse, you know, what I'm saying. And that also happens when you go overseas, and you go to Europe, and you go to these countries in eastern Europe where I Kurt and fail. And now they're trying to get all the pop music. They're just now getting to that early nineties. Hip hop. You know what I'm saying? So that end they see a connection with people from these disenfranchised communities finally getting the freedom to speak and they connect to that. You know what I'm saying? So dirty south music is really big and like Germany and the Ukraine and Estonia that where people are just now starting to carve out their identities from being oppressed for so long. So they look for people who have had that same kind of fight. And they connected us. That's why you go everywhere. Everybody loves to pop. Yeah. Like to park is everywhere in the world anywhere you go. They love to pot because to park is the international symbol of of overcoming oppression in a world culturally. It's amazing. Yeah. That's that's one of my that's one of my favorites. Metabolic time. Kind of lends itself to this though, so artists that's up and coming and you try to find your voice, not you. I'm talking about like a judge in general in this day and age, right? Should you? How do you balance? Staying staying true to yourself. Saying I'm gonna make music that I like versus. I'm I have to have to have people relate to us. I'm just going to be making music in my basement. I guess it just depends on really what you're getting into music for if you're getting any music to be famous and to make money, then you're typically gonna try to look and do what everybody that is famous and is making money is doing. I sounds gross. You know what I'm saying? You know, what I'm saying that just that's just the nature of the game. Right. If you wanna you wanna play basketball, you'll start hanging out of basketball courts. You wanna play baseball. You're gonna start hanging out and baseball or whatnot. And it just about being around people and looking at how they're living in seeing like, oh, they like this girl because she has long hair, but they like her 'cause she has big breasts. They like her because she has a big. But so I'm gonna get all three and then hopefully, everybody will like me or the guy. Because the supreme by a cross body bag. But then he got this. Louis Vitton Bill, and then he got the Gucci shoes. So I'm gonna get all of that stuff. And hopefully, everybody that likes those things will meet right? That's just that's just a way of a human way of trying to process this stuff and for some people. That's that seems to be the easy way in right? And everything else. They here is about these long years of no appreciation, and you know, tireless work, and, you know, eventually having to get the most people don't wanna take the five ten year route. You know, what I'm saying if they would have been a creek around to Megan who I am now, I'm sure what it took it. But they is there is no quick route in order to get to certain places of respect and admiration and appreciation and people were actually have seen. You're struggling connect with you like man, I remember when I was twenty one, and I've tried to get a job, and I was trying to find my place in this world, and you were doing the same thing, but you were doing through music, and you kinda spoke to my struggle. That's a different kind of appreciation that people make with music, and when you make those kind of canal. Actions with people you don't have to have animal record on the radio. You don't have to have the biggest tour going into country. People were still come out to wherever you are whatever little place, you are to appreciate you let you know. Hey, man, you've had an effect on my life. And I just listened to your music scene, you perform reminds me of the things that I went to and from what you were saying any music that you were going through this ain't time. So I feel a deeper connection using just music that you know, that plays on the radio or playing in the background. When I go to a club. You know? That's the unique thing about music that I fell in love with at a at a early age, and why never fell in love with my football persona was because of all the fans that have ever came up to me, I've never felt more appreciated than a comment of or a DM. Somebody sent me saying a man, I know you're not gonna read this. But. I listened to one of your songs suicide referencing exact one that really hit me. I was referencing. When it was this. No one of your song called suicide. He said, I I've been going through a lot lady. Manny say this song helped me get through it. And that like never has a fan come me for football. That has changed my feeling for people's a man. I love the way you run a, man. And I love I love watching when I was a kid, but as never touch me before. And granted I you probably have that to the max right because you've been doing this your whole career. But that feeling has never I've never had a film like that before when somebody related to you so much that it actually helped him get through one of their bad days that human connection as it was brand new to me. And and there was there's no better feeling that I've had and you expired to that as an artist when you had those kind of moments yourself, right, right? So it's really about the kind of music that you listen to and what them using made you feel and what what their music maybe have gotten you through. You know, what I'm saying is, you know, the bitter love song. That you listened to get you through the rough breakup, you know, what I'm saying the song that motivate you to go out and get money when you're broke. You know, what I'm saying is, you know, all these different kinds of songs inspired these different emotions inside of you. And when you become an artist, you know, that if you're doing this, right? That means that you can do that to other people. And once you get that acknowledgement of that, then this all starts to kinda make sent one hundred percent. You know what I'm saying? Okay. That's that's what this is about. It's about that reciprocating of being transparent enough to put my real struggles out there for people to see and hear and instead of taking advantage of me in that moment, they relate to me in that moment. You know, what I'm saying that that's really when you're trying to be an artist is what it's all about. It's about getting the reaction from people that that the best art you listen to our looked at or read, you know, got out of you. Yeah. That's really what it's about. And if you can do that you'll make money. That's why I say it doesn't make sense to chase money. Just chase making good music people that. Make good music make money. I've never seen anybody. That makes really good music. Just go absolutely unappreciated. You just have to keep going out and performing your music until you find out where that music connects. There's a lot of people that made music in Houston at are super famous in Germany in different places. They don't get that same level of fame right here. And they're okay with that. You know, what I'm saying they go with their appreciation it they performed for you for people that appreciate what they do. They get their money, and they come home. And then the other thing is having you know, realistic, you know, realistic expectation right about what you do. You know what I'm saying? Everybody's not going to be as rich as the migos. And they're not gonna get the big money that Drake gift. But that doesn't mean that people aren't going to like what you do and won't be willing to pay for it. And that you can't have a decent living out of. But everybody's not Finnegan rich off it is. So as long as you're not constantly looking at other people's money and count other people's money. You can start a have some kind of peace of mind in this. That's really a life hack. Right. They're like really because it had that wreck call as to what we're talking about man. But if people in general would take that mindset, this will be such a happier place. You can never stop watching other people's pockets. Stop looking at what everybody else is doing and and start understanding and appreciating what you're doing. I always tell people if you make granite, it's all relative. But if you make thirty five thousand dollars a year, you're in the top one percent of wealth of in the world, the top one percent of wealth in the world. So it's all relative your struggle is relative to America everybody struggles relative to where they're at. So if you're constantly comparing yourself and in your mirror everybody else, man, you're never going to be happy because I'm pretty sure there's some that Drake is chasing. He's number one artists in the world. And he's he's trying to go somewhere. He's trying to change somebody's trying to he's trying to fill Michael Jackson shoes. And who knows if ever do that? But there's always somebody bigger is always a better private jet. There's always a bigger as always bigger. There's always some. Something else out there for you. And and what other people have isn't necessarily what you need to have. Right. Like they were times where I wanted money. But I probably wouldn't even been here. I would probably wouldn't be here right now. If I got the money that I wanted when I was like nineteen twenty years. All right. Very responsible. I would've got hurt out here. You know what I'm saying? Somebody would I would have been very exposed in this world, and people would have been able to take advantage of me. Probably wanna Raba kill me. You know, what I'm saying because I'm wide open. My nose is wide open at that age. So I think I think everything happens in life for a reason. And I think that people that complain about their position in life don't really pay attention to the world. You know what I'm saying? And I don't think they want to. I think they wanted just complain about their condition. Yeah. No, saying not saying that, you know, everybody's going to have the best house or the best job or whatever. But I know a lot of people with money, and I know people say this all the time and a lot of people with money that they really they not happy like money was really for some people. The worst thing that ever happened to them because when you get money, you're not just a person or your. Oh, you accompanying your cooperation your brand. Now, you don't go for being a person to a brand. And then people become, you know, relying on that brand for their for their well-being. You don't live up to everybody's expectations. You'd be surprised what people come and do, you know say it's very ugly world conditions made people uglier sometimes thousand percent, man money. Don't change. Anybody reveals everything that you already were really really want money got something that they want to do in this world, and they feel like they need money to do like there's somebody. They wanna be around there somewhere. They wanna be. You know, what I'm saying something that they wanna do to somebody on the surge circuit circumstances that they won't impose on other people, and they can't do it because they don't have the money. You don't saying money doesn't that money empowered? This some of the worst things of the world, man. I hate having that conversation and inherent people say you say that because you got it, and I'm going to do a homeless man tell you money, ain't it who you listen to you man, like, and it's like I said, I I have a decent life. I'm not complaining. My life at all. I'm sure a lot of people would would like my life. But if I tell people by some of the worst moments in my life that came with with what I'm going through people wouldn't wanna par to that. Not only swap to good time. Yeah. Right. Yeah. But I bet this is good. Yeah. But then you gotta deal with this. Ain't no all of that. I was like that. Yes. Like that. Everyday people. I just came from my granddaughter's, chilling, showcase or whatever. And my son's fiance's was with him and she had never been with being a public setting. And so she just watching people come up and wanna take pages and airtime we talking to playing with the kids people come and take pitches. She was like I couldn't deal with that every day. I was like you. Yes, you would. You wanted this? This is exactly what you would have to to deal with every day. You know what I'm saying? So the good times and the money and all that is good. But you know, a lot of things that people will never understand that, you know, saying the lack of freedom and being able to just moving as world sometimes a little things really matters. Sometimes you just wanna go to grocery store and get get some sodas some soup. It becomes a man I need help. Can you come talk to the kids? Can't do that. You know? It's not that. You don't wanna do it? But sometimes you just don't want to hear it. Now, you need your time. I need I need to worry about me right hundred. So man, I mean, you've been a beacon of light to a lot of people in the city a lot of people in the game. How do you how do you decompress vacations like I just go somewhere and not answer the phone, and it took me probably like eighteen years into my career to figure it out up until then I just really started taking my first vacation about nine years ago. I vacationed Japan probably three four five months ago. And it's like when I say vacation means going where you wanna go and doing exactly what you wanted to. You know what I'm saying? You don't have to leave the city and have a vacation you just go. You know, going your house turn off your phone sitting yourself in your draws. Watch TV pouted donuts and just do what it is that you need to do. But I was so caught up in. You know, these opportunities won't always last right need to get this money while I can't what reality is the opportunities that really don't last moments of peace, and that's what you need to be chasing. Those are the ones that really don't last when you actually in a place where okay, you know, what I can take a week off. And I can just go somewhere and just, you know, sit in the hot tub, and just whatever it is. You wanna do you know, what I'm saying you have to take advantage of those moments moments where you can reconnect with people on the natural level. You know, what I'm saying you go, so what most people only want to go somewhere famous people rich people like to go somewhere when they get their people know who they are and give them a certain level of comfort. But, but you know, that's not a vacation as just that just going from home to another place that you set up to feel like home. Sometimes you gotta go somewhere and be a tourist just kind of be unaware of what's around you. And. Maybe not not language or whatever. Because people come to America all the time and have no idea what to expect what I'm saying. They don't make a big deal out of it. We go everywhere respect, everybody's speak English. Everywhere we go through anybody, speak English mad. The only country that does that would only people that do that. But no, I always tell people man like you got to, you know, find moments for you. And you got to you know, sometimes just be very selfish, which is so NB like, no, I'm gonna go here. And I want to do what I wanna do on this trip, and you'd have to make sure that you around like minded people that can eat. Enjoy those experiences with you or give you the space to have that experience. So give me give me a life. Gym man, your journey. I mean, you lived an amazing life man, this, you're you're you're you're extremely genuine car, compassionate philanthropic. You you like like I said he'd been in the music game almost thirty thirty years. Now, it's just it's a rare opportunity you get a chance to sit and Bill with somebody like yourself. So give me give me a life. Jim that you learn throughout your process that that that has just that has helped you blossomed into the human that you try to be better than who. I am at all times. And when I say that. I say that meaning that I know much nature, right? And instead of and I'm in a position where if I wanted to be a Basset, and as all about certain things, I could be. But I know I need to be better than who. I am. You know, I don't really like being around people. I don't like being in public places. I like to be in my house in my draws watching TV. But I know that there's a lot of things that people want to know about me things that people feel they that only I have the answer to which I don't have all answers. You know what I'm saying? I'm not sway. But I know there's certain things that that, you know, people can gain from me from my existence from being out in this world. So I make myself available for people, and I make myself accessible for people. You know what I'm saying? Because for me, it might be Adama dozen experienced before other people might be one of the million. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? All man. I never thought I would get to see you, man. Let me ask you this. You know, what I'm saying people have those kinds of situations you as a human. You kinda oh them that. You know what I'm saying? Like, okay. Well, I've lived these forty six years just to answer this question. Just for you. This might be with my whole life. Right. You may ask that one question that puts everything in perspective for what I've done. You know what I'm saying? And these these interactions are sometimes better for me than it is for them. They think they getting some. But then they they actually question that kind of opens up a different perspective for me. That's that's really what I enjoy about my classes, the fact that every year, we get different kids that ask different questions about the same stories that I'm telling the same lesson that we're telling that they, but they see it from a different perspective they based on different life experience. And so when they kick that back out to me, and I'm like, man, I've gene really never looked at it. From that perspective. You know what I'm saying? And it's very it's very enlightening for me in certain places and some of the best things that will ever learn about life. We will learn from other people that we really don't know. And probably will never see again. You know what I'm saying? I had a guy walk up to me and airport the other day. I'm just like can I pray with you? I'm like absolutely pick me out of his airport out of everybody. You must know something about me. I don't even know. Maybe you saw some about me, please pray for. Right. But these very small enough that thing. Very small intimate interactions that we have with people on the most basic of human levels that really really define the human experience. And you deny yourself those moments. If you deny yourself to interact with other people, and I needed to hear that. Because it's very easy. This life is designed when you're an entertainer a person of influence, or whatever you wanna call it celebrity star, whatever you wanna call. It is very easy to to live in a bubble. You know what I'm saying? But then if I live in a place where the only information I'm getting the information that I already have I've lost it life. I've lost at the life experience. You know what I'm saying? And some people don't wanna meet other people, and they don't wanna know things because they think they know everything I know, I don't know everything I know a couple of little things about a lot of things, but I don't know everything. And I know every person I'm meeting my life teaches me certain things about this world, we live in or maybe things about myself that I didn't even notice you know, what I'm saying this there's certain ticks in. And like, you don't know what you look like. Right. Like right now. I know what you look like. But you don't know what you look like. So an idea you got an idea. But you don't really know what you look like, you might have a book, you don't know. You do. But you would never know if you never win around other people, you don't know your mannerisms. You don't know tell people all the time, you even know what you look like when you lie, but the people that you interact with the most know exactly what you would you lie because they watch you lie to other people. You know what I'm saying? So when you try to lie to them, they know exactly what your life as lip light. Yeah. Got laughing. We all have this face. We all have these certain mannerisms that we do in certain situations. We have face, you know, what I'm saying. We have your what you think about you up to some and only the people that are around you interact with you, the most no these type of things, you know, what I'm saying. So as important always being a level of interacting with people. So that you can recognize the next person face. You like my new it'd be lying. Not as appreciate you sharing that we man I was I try to go as much as I can. And that's one reason why I started podcasters frequent people that I'm that. I'm just either fan of or have a lot of ration- for and I learned a lot from these men. I know I know people get a lot from him. But there for me more than anybody else. You you coming on? Thank you. Having me joy know, for sure man, you you you you welcome. Anytime. You look I got three us top three hip-hop voices of all time. Thank you pot DM X. And you just talking about the Tony voice, I'm beautiful tone. Void I you have a great tone of voice. I knew there wasn't a lot of things. I wasn't ever going to be the most handsome do never be the most physically fit, do whatever our very hard on my voice in high presenting myself, and she said you got to it's it's amazing, man. Don't. Yeah. My wife, and I have my wife, as my voice, sometimes it's crazy. What is just being her? She's like your voice. It can fiber near Drake resonating idiom, very hard. If I want to say, I can hold those tones very low and don't talk right now. Just don't talk is very irritating. I'm what's on your voice Quinn is we love it now, which is great. Great. Get paid for this thousand percents. With the money right voices the lights on. Thank you having me, man. Thank you for this outlet, man. I think you know, like, I said you have conversations with people. And sometimes when we have a conversation we think that we're there to give them some game. But I got some game too much love. I mean, I don't know if you're a fan of podcasts and not man, but we ended the same way every time man, Jim Carrey's, one of my favorite humans on earth. And I want to pick his brain. And so since episode one my mother was episode one. So from her two sloop to astronauts, everybody has asked Jim Carey on a podcast to try to try to try to advocate for for for him to come on. If you just look and yo- camera right there. Right. Jim from Jim Gary. I know you very enlightened person right now, I know is only certain type of people you wanna be around certain kind of conversations that you interesting in having to have a better deeper understanding of the human condition, and why people are doing things that they do in his life. And I we can improve improve ourselves as a society. This is a great place to come ahead at that conversation, man, man. I appreciate a man bun b everybody and he's more famous than me. So if I will put your sign if there isn't anyone you anything you wanna plug. If did anything you want to. Just be nice to be. You know, my niece is yesterday. She was like uncle bun. You have the most friends in the world. She said you have like really really good friends. How do I get all those kind of it just be nice to everybody and have a nice everybody that you talk to. And you'd never know who somebody's gonna beat later dies of assumed everybody, I interact with is going to be rigid in me when I'm meet the gray. Watergate nets. I wanna be nice to be rich. And you're gonna help me out one day, Alabama. I appreciate you much, brother. Thanks day. Maybe. Day. Maybe.

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The Role Of Race In The Countrys Debates Over New Gun Laws

The Diane Rehm Show

28:38 min | 1 year ago

The Role Of Race In The Countrys Debates Over New Gun Laws

"Hi it's diane on my mind white talking about race his key to understanding countries depilatory gun laws following the meas- shootings in dayton hemdale pez christian trump place blame on mental illness a connection gun violence expert jonathan mental kohl's height irresponsive giladi mental says there are concrete steps we can take to prevent gun violence but to do so in fact if you must acknowledge the connection between white privilege hadn't gotten right the same argument metal lays lays out his new book titled dying of whiteness how the politics have racial resentment is killing. America's heartland hand is spoke with him tuesday morning dr permits. Thank you for joining us. It's my pleasure after the the shootings in dayton and el paso we heard president trump blame mental illness. Tell us your reaction on one hand. I can understand empathized with why people turn to narratives of mental illness and the aftermath of mass shooting a mass shootings are so traumatizing traumatizing and they come seemingly completely out of the blue and so i think there's a natural human drive to say that only an insane person would would would create would do an act like that as kill innocent people and so on a personal level i understand the valence and the power are of the narrative of turning mental illness and i'm sympathetic to it but i find it highly irresponsible when politicians like president trump perpetuate pichu eight that narrative as an explanatory narrative what president trump said was mental illness pulled the trigger and the minute. I heard that i really honestly thought here. We go again because this assumption that people with mental illness. I'm are themselves ticking time bombs or that mental illness is the sole explanatory explanatory factor is really gross over simplification that limits our understanding of what happens in mass shootings rather than enhances it of course he also said i think that quote was mental illness and hatred. Pull the trigger not that gun. That's correct so i've been studying this issue for quite some time. I'm a psychiatrist. Anna sociologist and i guess my dispute with it is not the issues like a person's. Mental state or hatred are involved but when we look <hes> and we tell the story of what happens at mass shootings. It's it's very often that a person's mental state is just one of many different factors that go into mass shootings and other factors including gun laws access to firearms arms past history of violence substances are often a play a part misogyny racism and so part of the reason that i try to refute this narrative is to say that when we limited just specifically to these questions of mental illness or hatred. We're really oversimplifying nine. What happens and the other factor is to suggest that mental illness pulled the trigger is really again over-simplification. There's no mental illness. Is that causes someone to shoot someone else or attack someone else and so again i i think that what we're doing is we're telling one story about a mass shooting but not the story we need to be telling also interesting that <hes> the pros chin and others had talked about video games as being in part of the problem and yet research up to now does not seem to carry on that idea if you just think of all the people who play video games versus the number of mass shooters. It's it's a similar claim to the mental illness claim. Which is you know. I think there are issues as with with video games and with violence and misogyny and video games but there is no statistical correlation between playing a video game and committing a mass shooting shooting just like there's no statistical correlation between a diagnosis of mental illness and committing mass shooting and so what we're dealing with here are really unsubstantiated generalizations that again. I think make it harder fresh to tell the real story. About how can we prevent future mass shootings. It is a place i gather that you believe we ought to be focusing on when it comes to guns and gotten policy a fait race. Tell us why well a lot of the work that i've done looks not not not directly so much mass shootings but really had guns more broadly. Ah i just finished a book that came out a few months ago called dying of whiteness were i told kind of the history of race and guns in this country and and the story i tell him that book is really about the interconnectedness between core questions of guns. <hes> you know who gets to own a gun who gets to carry begun and assumptions about what it means to be white in america and the argument that i've made are that you know the gun debate very often is a reflection of of much bigger conversations about race and privilege in this country and in ways that we really need to look more closely at in the book i looked closely at gun suicide for example sample and how arguments about gun rights go hand in hand often with rising rates of gun suicide in white americans and so again just to over simplify a little bit. I think that there are questions about race that were not addressing when we talk about guns and for you you say this issue goes back hundreds of years explain what you mean. There's a two century history of gun rights on race being conducted in this country tree and precolonial times for example who got to carry a gun in public well the answer is that it was people who owned land or plantation owners people like that and also it was right bestowed by wealthy white americans on working class white americans in order to not allow allow uprisings or revolts by what they called negroes at the time or indians and native americans and so in a way carrying a gun and was a white man's privileged in precolonial america and that history really played out again and again really over the next <hes> several centuries where time and again when african americans would want to carry guns in public there were responses by for example the klu klux klan or after nat turner's rebellion and so really the story. Tell is that these core questions that seem like they're just rooted in the present moment about who gets who gets to carry a a gun in public and what kind of cultural response to they elicit really date back centuries and they helped shape our present day attitudes in which very very often white gun owners are held up as patriots for as african american gun owners are coded as criminals or gang members or or uh other untoward associations so what about state and local court rulings in legislation hell ahead ahead. They affected this idea of who is allowed to carry a gun and how we general public like view that right well in the book. I tell the story of missouri. That's the state where i grew up. <hes> missouri's pretty interesting case because in the missouri i read that i grew up in there was a long history of hunting and kind of tradition of gun ownership but there were also what seemed to me at the time to be reasonable gun on laws. You've had to get a permit. You had to in some instances demonstrate proficiency. There were permit laws where you had to actually go be interviewed at sheriff's offices in order to get the right to carry a gun and so before about two thousand and eight missouri was a state that balanced a history of gun ownership and hunting and responsible gun rights with public safety and what started happening in missouri is after about two thousand eight two thousand nine there was a kind of takeover of the legislature by pro and are a politicians who made it ever easier to get a gun and really really eliminated all kinds of gun regulations and so the story i told the book is that as it became ever easier in a state like missouri to carry guns what happened was that rates of all kinds of gun related injury and death started to soar including gun suicides nights in white americans and so the story i tell is the kind of double edged sword between respecting gun rights on one hand and the dramatic rises arises an injury and deaths that occur after states overturned a lower their gun regulations say if i walked into arrest rod and saw someone other than a member of the police force who was carrying a gun i i think i might walk out but there are so many people these days who had the license to carry a gun the hard carry it openly right. I mean that's what happened. In states like missouri or tennessee right now is that the places where people could carry guns dramatically adequately expanded so <hes> in tennessee for example people have rights to carry loaded guns into bars into college classrooms into parks <hes> really all pretty much all spaces hospitals and gun rights see this as an expansion of their constitutional gun ownership rights but but these go hand in hand with dramatic changes not just an injury and death but also with the ways that people engage with these other. I see this as a cautionary tale. L. personally be based on the data and in my book i show how without reasonable regulations public health is is put at risk but there's a a big debate now because there are several cases pending possibly before the supreme court and the fall that will take the kinds of gun laws we see in places like missouri in tennessee and nationalize them and so this question of kind of gun rights versus public health. I think will become even more urgent in our country on board. I gather you are not against gun ownership again. I i've grown up in many spaces where people have pretty complicated and often often divergent opinions about this again. I i grew up in in missouri. I now live in tennessee. I've many friends on all sides of this debate. I personally feel like states and cities should be able to make decisions that balance gun rights versus public safety and even though i myself am not a gun owner honor. I've seen the role that guns play in people's lives but i also powerfully feel bet cities like new york for example or los angeles. <hes> should be able to <unk> set gun laws that work the best for them and i feel like that's really what's at risk right. Now you know we we have so many guns in this country and people feel so strongly about them that it just seems unrealistic realistic for me to say we're gonna make some dramatic change that takes away people's guns. That's not what i'm advocating but i do think that there are very urgent questions about how we balance these questions that are going to be becoming even more important as the supreme court cases play out over the coming months when we we come back more from john than metal <hes> hey there. It's joshua johnson. The host of one a with quick reminder on my mind is produced by w a._m._u. A._m._u. eighty eight five a station where we deliberately continue diane's legacy of incredible journalism and thoughtful conversations on air and online every day and another reminder. You can show your support for this podcast and everything else we do by becoming a member today. Click the donate button at w. A. m. u. dot org org. Thanks here's the ribs to my conversation with jonathan mezzo. He's the author dying of whiteness. How the politics have racial is killing america's heartland. I'm so interested assisted in a title of your book dying of whiteness because you explore among other things how how white working class and poor people are live release reporting policies that are killing them explain what not mean the core argument of my book is kind of twofold on one hand nor i really show how the politics that claim to make working class white america great again the way that president trump has framed it on the on the ground level ended up making the lives of many working class people including white. Ah working class people harder sicker and shorter what i do in the book as i track what happens if you live in a state in which the core core policies that the trump administration has been supporting things like rejecting the affordable care act and up ending healthcare reform tom and really not allowing that to progress. Massive tax cuts that benefit wealthy people or corporations and ended up taking funding ending away from things like roads bridges or schools or even very a pro gun policies on one hand. These are the core positions that that make america great again as trump puts it but when i show in research is that for many working class white people these policies ended up being as dangerous as as best as or not wearing seatbelts in cars or secondhand smoke they literally end up shortening people's lifespans and so really what i talk about is this tradeoff between a notion of greatness that might play to people's ideological sense on one hand but in terms of just their biological or medical self interested ends up functioning almost like disease risk factor going back to the earlier reported take our discussion and what happened earlier in the history of this country. Do you still see that gun. Ownership ownership is mostly in the hands of end supported by white people as opposed lose to those of other races. I guess the argument i make in my book is that there are racial charges that dictate the ways that we think about gun ownership and so certainly opinion polls for the past several decades have shown for instance that white americans are far more more supportive of broad gun rights than are african american communities and if you just look at rates of gun ownership many of the gun so-called gun super super owners are white americans who live in rural areas so in part i would say that the data plays that out and i do think that if you just look at the current politics politics of for example the n._r._a. And factors that there are profound racial issues and so what i'm saying is not so much about the biology of particular gun <music> owners. I realized there are many divergent opinions on all sides but really that the gun debate is a reflection of a larger conversation about race and we should be talking talking about that at the same time there was a news report just ifs morning about a driver being stopped by two policemen because some infraction at all and the dry for pulled out a gun and shot i the one policeman placeman and killed him and the second one was terribly injured so it does strike me that you <unk> are wondering whether whites are directing policy. He's in favor of white people well. I i certainly agree with the question in that. I think that the more you put guns in the middle of intense social interactions the more there's the possibility a of a fatal outcome and i think we see that again and again where interactions that might be navigated a very different way end up having bad outcomes when guns are involved and it's not just guns. It's also for example guns in bars that as one example that we have in tennessee where if people are drinking and their guns present. There's a far greater likelihood that there's going to be some kind of shooting and you can kind of go down the road so in on one hand. There's a broader social question about just what does it mean to put put guns in the middle of you know things like road rage for example or disputes or workplaces fees factors like that and i think really those of the places where we don't want guns in in a way so there's the personally there's the social question and then there's a lot of research just about asking asking people why they feel they need guns in the first place and in my book i interviewed a lot of people and tried to get this question. Of why do you feel that you need guns ends and again and again white americans who i spoke with would give me answers <hes> like you know there could be a gang banger or a carjacker or somebody like that who could be coming after me. I'm in so people really felt like they needed their gun for protection very often protection against racial others but but really the biggest risk that i found in my data was that having a gun in the home increase the risk of having an accidental shooting or a suicide and so this fear of racial others very often blinded people to the risk that guns presented by having guns in their home or under their banner on their nightstand nightstands. How do you believe that president trump or fox news. Play this fear up or do they. I think president trump is playing in some pretty familiar stereotypes. I mean when he's making claims like mental. Illness pulled the trigger for example it replays lays a stereotype that people with mental illness are ticking time bombs as i show in a lot of my research the mental illness stereotype is also a very racialist stereotype that goes back several centuries just about who we see as crazy versus who receives saying but i think the bigger issue who is that when we play in the stereotypes were not having a real conversation about ways to balance gun rights with public safety and so are there particular our laws are there particular regulations that particular interventions that we do but the minute were all talking about stereotypes of mental illness and we're not really having a real conversation for station about best ways to move forward of course in the case of el paso that shooting the shooter himself seem driven <music> but racist beliefs he used language apparently similar to the president's and similar to fox news. Ooh we really need to ask ourselves. I think as a society are these kind of instances aberrations which they are in many ways right many people here the president's rhetoric that hardly any go on to commit acts like this i'm but are they aberrations or are they amplification and reflections of the the spread of broader ideologies that we need to resist and so it really feels like even though this has been building for a while this really feels like a crisis moment not just because of mass shootings but because of what mass shootings reflect about the direction that our society could be heading and if we don't make some dramatic changes and what direction do you you see that as you've identified i consider myself a researcher and a centrist and so i find it remarkable when i was doing research in my book how many people i met and who were willing to consider other alternatives even in the most trouble gone areas that i spoke to. I consistently found people who they were willing to say. Gosh i'm totally pro gun but i would consider background. Checks are i would consider red flag laws so i feel like on a day-to-day level all doing my research. I became very hopeful that people would be able to navigate complex issues across polarization but unfortunately there's just no space for that in our country right now you know you're either red or blue and twitter doesn't allow for any middle ground and factors like that and so i guess yes i remain optimistic that we can reclaim some kind of middle space but it sure feels impossible sometimes. If you had your dreams tmz come true and your optimism word be worn out. What would you like to see done. What do you think we could do to to balance both gun ownership with the kinds of limits that would make our society more safe in which dilip to be clear. I think we have some urgent issues on the horizon. I do feel strongly that again states and cities he's should be able to set the gun laws in a way that worked for them and so i think there's potentially some pending supreme court legislation that will will not allow new york city for example to set its own gun laws eventually and so i do think that on one hand it's important to recognize that we need to highlight that if a city like new york is doing something right has relatively low rates of gun death. We should not force it to adopt policies is that are worse and so on one hand. I want to be clear. I really do worry about what's coming down the pike but i also think that there are over the past couple of years the emergence agents of some middle ground positions. I'll give an example of what's called a red flag law which gets a lot of prestige as a red flag. Law is a law that allows family members or loved ones or law enforcement to identify someone who might be at increasing risk of gun violence and to temporarily take away their firearms while some kind of assessment is made and a red flag laws an example of an intervention that was made in conversation between mental health people activists law enforcement and a gun rights activists sometimes in order to think about some middle ground in which people don't feel like their guns guns are being taken away forever but it also protects public safety and so i'm hopeful that something like a red flag law which has bipartisan support is an example all of the kinds of things we can do to work across the political divide to address this problem. What about gun show loopholes close them yet. Yeah i know a veto. If president trump is serious about this background check issue then it's important that we make sure the background checks on all gun sales san again if you pull people across the country. This is an example what i was talking about before that there's broad support for broadening background checks in enforcing background background checks and so certainly you shouldn't be able to get a gun without a background check in one situation and not in another so certainly. I think that these these loopholes needs to be closed. What about ownership <hes> salt weapons by individuals most gun death in this country happens via a handgun dan. I understand why people feel very strongly about assault weapons and i personally don't feel like there's a strong need for weapons of warfare. Erin people's daily lives might concern about this is that when we're talking so much about assault weapons we're not talking about the kinds of weapons that lead to the most death in in in this country and so really pushing for commonsense regulations about gun suicide about handguns factors like that i think will ultimately be ebi more effective even though <unk> niners stand why they're so charged because of mass shootings although again of course it does seem like the data supports that we had lower lower rates of death in mass shootings during the assault weapons ban in the nineteen nineties. I in clothing want to take you back to visit. You paid here in washington. Where are you spoke at politics and prose and there was an ad eruption and to your talk. Tell us about what happened. I was in d._c. Actually speaking at an important anti-racist book festival and i gave a talk at politics and in prose and you know it was a lovely spring day. I was giving this talk. Quite a few people were in the audience and at the moment in my talk i was giving a book talk doc and i was talking about how my father's a holocaust survivor he and my grandparents came to this country through the generosity of people in the united it states and i was talking about how great america can be when it's the most welcoming it's the most generous it's the most confident and how that's great for our country and at at that moment i looked up and coming in from the back of the bookstore were ten people with the bullhorns who marched to the front of the store and really took over the event for about five or ten minutes and started shouting racist slogans about america for white people and this is our land and at first people were terrified and this was happening right next to comet pizza were there was the pizza shooting and people didn't know what was happening at first and then there were just remarkable acts of bravery people from many different backgrounds started standing up and booing and shouting and trying to get the people to leave which they ultimately did after about five or ten minutes it turned out to be by nationalist group that was going around disrupting events like mine and and after they left instead of going on with the book talk. I basically stopped him. We just had i mean at that moment. We all kind of seemed like victims and so we had a conversation about what just happened. In what does this mean about the kind of country we have the kind of country we want and what we need to make change and so it was a very at a moment very scary experience but it turned into a pretty productive conversation. It does seem to me that that must have been a pretty frightening frightening situation. Congratulations on your book and thank you for speaking with me today. Thanks uh-huh and toll for today. Don't facebook and twitter or send us an email d._r. podcast podcast at a._m. You dot org are being music is composed by jim carey and ben landsberg wunderle wunderle. This show is produced by rebecca kaufman and alison. Brody are engineered this week. Is natalie your liquor. Thanks for listening. I'm diane ream.

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Episode 4: Black Face, Las Vegas, YouTube Censorship, and Trump's Tours of the White House

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Episode 4: Black Face, Las Vegas, YouTube Censorship, and Trump's Tours of the White House

"And welcome back to episode four or the rundown. You guys we are growing we are growing. Anyway, again, this has been another nutty week. It seems to be the week of black face. We're we're. Yeah. This is the week of black face. So we're talking about a couple of black face stories. I hate to say we are also going to be talking about the FBI finding absolutely no motive in the Las Vegas shooting. We're going to be talking about YouTube cracking down on the blatantly false videos a conspiracy theories. And of course, we have another headline of the week, which we will be discussing later on hang around for that. And before we get into it. I want to apologize guys. I appear to be coming down a little bit of a cold. So I've got I've got an absolutely horrible call for travel. Try to edit out video and the podcast. But I am sniffling. And I am wheezing a little so I do apologize for that. It had a time. But in the meantime, let's go ahead and get into this. And we'll just we are way Royd. Okay. So our first we're just going to go ahead and start with the black face because let's just get it out of the way. They're like I said there's a couple of there's a couple of black face stories week. There is some articles about coal miners, photographs of coal miners. There is of course, the Ralph Northam story about his med school yearbook with the if you guys haven't seen. I don't know how you haven't seen it. But apparently it's this photograph that showed up in his med school yearbook. Where it was a I don't know if it was a Halloween costume or what it was. But there is a man in like really hard core. Black face at a really ugly. Outfit. Standing next to a guy in Klan outfit the page. Looks like is about ten thousand years old. So I I I don't even know what to make of all this. But the other black face story that we're talking about his actually Mary Poppins. Yet. You heard that right. Is Mary Poppins, and we will get into that it. It's one of those stories where nobody reads past the headline. So we are going to talk about the Mary Poppins story. But let's talk let's talk about deer. Ralph. This is this has been pretty big news. And it was actually I'm actually looking at the story from the national review. It looks like it was actually broken by another conservative website. It was big league politics was the one who broke it. And then it got confirmed by national review. And now it has been everywhere. It's when every news source CNN is under fire 'cause they listed his name. He made a statement earlier, and he they listed his name. And then they listed him as a Republican. And he's actually a democrat, whatever. Everybody knows who the guy is at this point. He's he's always big news. So everybody really knows who he is. And there's all the stuff going around. There's people saying that he has denied that. He was in the picture there is he has made a statement that he confirms that he is actually in the photograph. He has not confirmed which one he is. It's one of those things where it's whichever way he was dressed. It's it's it's bad it hits, it's bad. And I think the reason. A lot of people are getting upset about the fact that it's, you know, you've got a group that yells about, you know, cultural, cultural appropriation not being thing in yada, yada. When it comes to Halloween, costumes and things of that nature. And now they're getting upset about this Halloween costume. Let me explain to you. Why this is such a big deal? When this guy was running for office. One of the big things that he was pushing was that his opponent was a racist. Okay. That was the whole thing behind it. He he was pushing that his opponent was a racist. And everybody who is backing him was pushing that his opponent was a racist. And then when he won you had people like Kamala Harris coming up and saying things like, oh, you know, congratulations for voting on the side of tolerance. And and all this other stuff and then. Black face KKK. Dude. We've all got skeletons in our closet. I it's everybody does. And I I hate to judge people on something that they did ten thousand years ago. I mean, this is an old photograph. It's not like it was taken last year and people do change ideas. Change thoughts change feelings change it said or etcetera etcetera. But it seems to be that that's something. That's only pushed when it certain people. Okay. No, nobody ever seems to be allowed to change. If they don't like you. I understand that this guy this guy can change. But if you're going to start pushing that your opponent is a racist. You kinda gotta look back in your own history. It it's one of those things when you're running for office as one of the first things you need to do is you need to look back and say what the hell is it bypassed that they could pull forward. I mean, I I have often said I wouldn't mind running for office. I'm the most boring person on the face of the earth. But I'm sure somebody who really wanted to beat may could find something to dig up on. There are always people out there who are to Nick. And they will find anything. I mean, anything there's probably an incriminating photograph I held a little bit of fun. When I was a kid, especially when I was in my college days, I had I had a little bit of fun. And I'm sure somebody took photo took photographs. I'm sure so I'm figuring if I were to ever run for office. I would have to sit back and really think when this stuff comes up. It's not if it's when when this stuff comes up, how do you deal with it? This is something that was in this guy's page. I mean, this was actually focused on and nineteen eighty four this somehow passed muster to get into the your book. So I mean, not only did he have this photograph taken and was submitted for the your boat, but it actually passed muster and was printed. So it it. This was something he probably should have known with coming. Eventually. I'm surprised at took this long to come out. But in all honesty, considering the things that he has said about his opponents and and things like that. I think that's why this is this is such a big deal. Otherwise, I'm thinking a lot of people would have said. Nineteen Eighty-four, and yeah, people can change and people do change. But this is bad, Ed. Obsidian europe. I've talking about this wall staring at the picture of like, I there's no. He won't admit which one he was an I couldn't even begin to tell you. I mean, he really could be one of them of the Asli the cleared guy. You can't see his face and the guy in the black face. You you really can't see his face either. But. Either one that he's in his is cripplingly bad. I mean, this is not something I can fathom. I mean, I'm old enough. I was four years old when this picture was taken. So I I'm I'm old enough to get it. But. Wow. But let's let's move on Mary Poppins because. I'm not even gonna talk about the the coal miners because that is just the dumbest thing I ever heard. And a lot of this again. We're looking at. A different time. Okay. And this this article is actually from the New York Times and the name of the articles, actually, Mary Poppins and Anani shameful flirting with black face. And there's a photograph her when she remember the whole scene where they were. They were dancing around with Bert the chimney sweep, and you know, they come out of the chimneys and everything in the role covered. And so it it set cetera etcetera, and that's the photograph. She's she's looking in the compact at her face, and she kinda looks a little bit dejected and. At first glacier glance. You're thinking yourself will. This is just stupid it sought. Let's go ahead and read a little bit of his articles even kind of get a grasp on what it is that they're talking about. And it's obviously this is coming up because of Mary Poppins returns. Which is I don't know if it's in theaters, or if it's out of out of theaters, I I don't know. I don't keep up on movies. But I know there's there's a Mary Poppins returns film. I'm assuming that movie is not in question because I'm assuming that they're not doing that scene in the new movie because it's supposed to be a different movie when the kids were all grown up and stuff like that part of the new films. Nostalgia, however is bound up in a black face performance. Tradition. That persists throughout the Mary Poppins cannon from p l Travers books to Disney's nineteen sixty four at uptaken with disturbing echoes in the studio's newest take on the material Mary Poppins returns. Okay. Maybe it is in there or something along those lines one of the more indelible images from the nineteen. Thirty four film is of Mary Poppins blacking up when the magical nanny played by Julie Andrews, accompanies, her young charges. Michael Jane banks of their chimney, her face gets covered in soit. But instead of wiping it off she gamely powders or nose, and cheeks even blacker then she leads the children on dancing. Exploration of London rooftops with Dick Van Dyke Sudi chimney sweep, Bert. This might seem like an innocuous comic. Sane and traverse is novel. If traverse is novel didn't associated chimney sweeps blackened face with racial caricature, don't touch me you Blackie than housemaid screams in Mary Poppins opens the door nineteen forty three as sweep reaches out his darken hand when he drives to approach the cook. She threatens to quit if that hot and tacos in the chimney. I shall go out the door. She says using an archaic slur for black South Africans that recurs pages and screens the nineteen sixty four film replays as racial panic in in a farcical K when the dark figures of the chimney sweeps step in time on a roof a naval buffoon, Admiral. Boom. Shouts were being attacked by hot and tots and orders his cannon to be fired at the cheeky devils. We're in on the joke. Such is such as it is. There aren't really black at black Africans. They're grinning, white dancers and black face. It's a parody of black menace is even posted on a white nationalist website is evidence of the film's racial hierarchy. And it's not only fools like the Admiral who invoked this language in the nineteen fifty two novel Mary Poppins in the park. Manetti herself tells an upset young Michael I understand that you're behaving like hot and thought. Okay, guys. I I have never I've seen the original Mary Poppins when I was a kid. So obviously, I've heard the term hot and taught, but I never thought about it before I had looked this up, and there's there's a lot of meanings behind it. But they're talking about it is the the racial slur. Okay. And they kind of explained that they're that it's a racial slur for black South Africans. It's not I'm assuming I mean, I don't know. I don't know how people talk in Britain. I'm assuming that this is not still in common use today. But you can see the years that we're talking about here. Okay. The film adaptation was nineteen sixty four. Okay. We've got a quote from a story that was out in nineteen forty three. And then you've got another one from nineteen fifty two which is a novel. These were not exactly the years of. Racial harmony. Okay. This the these were not these are not good years as far as race relations. And you know, I honestly do understand where this this woman is coming from shoot. She writes this article. But. I don't know she saying, we shouldn't we shouldn't be making this movie because there's racial undertones and yada yada, yada. I am not a fan of doing away with books and movies and things of that nature that were written in that time period. That use this kind of language and use this kind of imagery and things like that. Because a racing it doesn't make it. Go away. This is what that time period was like we're talking nineteen forty three to nineteen sixty four. I think it was. This was not. A great time in in a lot of countries for race relations. And I think. Our children Mead to see this. And I think that it needs to be explained to them. And I think that this stuff needs to be used as as a learning moment. We've heard it before. And I it probably cliche at this point. But if you don't learn history, you're doomed to repeat it. Okay. And I think one of the best ways to make sure that every race on earth appreciates how far we have come in race relations. Is to show them stuff. Like that. Okay. Not to talk it away. Not to condemn it. Things of that nature, but to use it as teachable moment. And I have always said this as far as the statues, and as far as books, and movies and music and stuff like that that have this kind of thing in them rather than condemning them in hiding them from our children things like that. I think we should be pushing them out there and showing them this is how far we've come. This is why this kind of language is used. This is why this kind of imagery was used. This is why this is not acceptable now. And this is how far we have come because we and our children need to appreciate where we are. Now, we need to understand where we were in nineteen forty three nineteen fifty two in nineteen sixty four as compared to where we are now in twenty nineteen that is one of the best ways to make sure that we keep advancing that we keep appreciating where we are into day in how we stop it from continuing in the future. I mean, I actually. I've done this. I had when I was in high school. I was I was a big fan of comic books in high school. And I went out shopping with friend of mine, and we stopped in a comic bookstore, and I picked up. What at the time was the latest comic book from spawn? If you guys remember spawn, okay, I loved the swan comics, I really did. So I had picked up the latest one of that. And when we got back to her house. I was thumbing through. What I wasn't really rating, and I was thumbing through it, and her younger brother, I think he was like five at the time. He's probably like graduated college. At this point. It's been that long. But the time he was like five he happened to come over. And look over my shoulder, and this was not a comic book for a five year old child. But he happened to look over my shoulder. Just as I flipped to a page that featured the klu Klux Klan, okay? They were actually attacking the guy who would later become spawn. Okay. And you know, there was the burning Crossan and the whole nine yards and the kid asked me about it. And his mother was in the room at the time. And I explained him about the clan and why they were bad people. And you know, it was this whole this whole thing and the kid the kid grabs that he was really smart little kid, and he grasped what I was saying to him. And he understood it, and he understood that this was bad and this was wrong. This is not something to aspire to. I wonder if in twenty nineteen his mother would have stopped me and told me that I had to remove the comic book from the house instead of explaining this information to this kid. That's a hard conversation have at your kids, and I was his sister's friend having this conversation with him and his mother did not stop me. She stood there and she listened, and you know, the whole nine yards, but she didn't stop me from doing that. And that kid learned a very important lesson about history, and it was a very important lesson. He got to learn about raise racial disparities and racial relations that he had no idea about this was not something that was part of his world. But he got to learn it. He got to see how far we had come at that point. We're talking not the nineteen nineties. You know, he got to see how far we had come at that point. How much more work we needed to do? And why these people were evil? I'm not sure why we can't use something like this to do the same with our kids. Now as far as the whole black face thing is concerned. That's just whatever. Okay. It's but I'm not I'm not worried about all that. But there was a racial slur that was used and I'm watching this movie from the United States. I didn't know what a hot taught was. I didn't know it until like fifteen twenty minutes ago. I didn't know it's not it's not as Herm. I have ever heard used. It's you know, it's not one of the common slurs that I have heard it apparently is a I think it's a British term that is pretty much. What the focus is the treatment of the people that were quote unquote, supposed to be black people and the use of the of the racial slur. And I'm thinking just kind of kind of the same as like with the Killa Mockingbird, and and some of the books have to read in high school, which they are starting to remove from high schools. This is a teachable moment. This is a moment to teach your kids history about the present time and about what the future should look like, and it should go in that in that that order this is how it was. This is how it is. Now, this is how it should be. That's how you make sure that this is how it should be happens. Not by hiding how it was. And more and more. I'm seeing as hiding how it was. It's true that the United States has some ugly pieces of its history every country has ugly pieces in its history. But the best way to make sure that we continue to advance, and we don't have these ugly periods in our history is to make sure that those ugly pieces our history our front and center. That is how you teach children that is how you get them to advance. That is how you get them to be better than the generation before them. And they can have their kids and teach them to be better than the generation before them. That is how you advance. That is how you progress. Being progressive is not hiding away and pretending. It didn't happen. Being aggressive is teaching it pushing it out they're not denying that it happened. And making sure that our children understand why it was wrong. Why it was done this way at the time. And why we don't do that anymore. And why we continue to improve. Not that hard. That's the whole reason that you go to history classes, it really is. And where losing our history to political correctness? It's also why we should use this image of Ralph nor of Ralph Northam for the same reason. Show it to your kids. Bring your kids in on this conversation. They're gonna see it on the news. Anyway, so bring your kids in on this conversation and explain to them how that could have happened as as recently as nineteen eighty four. Why it's wrong why we don't do that anymore. Why everybody is angry it cetera et cetera et cetera. It's the same concept use it as a teachable moment. Should this guy resign? I don't know. I really don't. It's something he did in nineteen eighty four. I just don't know. I don't know where I stand on that as far as him resigning. I don't like the guy, I think he's douchebag. Apparently, he's always been adduced bag. But I don't know if something that he did in nineteen eighty four warrants him resigning from a position that he holds now. So I'm kind of on the fence with that one. And I kinda wanna see where it goes. Okay. So let's go from racism into mass homicide. We've got the AP news break. This is actually from Breitbart FBI finds no specific motive in Vegas shooting. A high stakes gambler who reigned a hail of gunfire down on a crowd of country music fans, killing fifty eight took any specific motive for the for the twenty seventeen at tax to his grave the FBI said Tuesday as he as a concluded the investigation into the deadliest mass shooting in modern US history. The agency found no single or clear motivating factor to explain why Stephen paddock carried out the attack from his sweet in high rise casino hotel, the sixty four year old fatally shot himself as police closed in. It wasn't about MGM Mandalay bay or specific ac-, our venue, Aaron rouse, or rose, whatever the agent in charge of the FBI's, Las Vegas office told the Associated Press it will it will. It was all about doing the maximum amount of damage in him -taining some form of infamy now as with any of these shootings there is obviously a whole slew of conspiracy theories in and all of that. And who knows maybe they're right? Maybe they're wrong. I don't know. But I think I. I think that this. This FBI agent is probably something the guy had no social media footprint. He there just wasn't a whole lot to go on. And I know people wanna know why he did it. And they wanna know what his exact motive was. But you can only do so much with what you have. Okay. I'm kind of looking at this from from a real point of view 'cause everybody wants to turn around say, oh, they don't want you to know what the reasoning was and oh it was a setup. And it was this. And what was that? And like I said there's there's a lot of conspiracy theories about I've heard most of them. But I really do think the guy just didn't leave a trail. There's a lot of unanswered questions. I mean, the dude had a lot of guns in his in his hotel room. Nobody noticed he was bringing all those guns up into his hotel room. I mean for real. That was always the biggest question that I had nobody noticed him bringing all that crap of into his room. I mean, it's not like he could like stop him in his suitcase or anything like that. I mean, these were like these were rifles and stuff, and you don't stop that in a suitcase, and regardless of what the latest anti-gun politician has told you they're not that easy to conceal. They make noise. They're big, you know, I just how did he get all that crap of the room without raising any suspicions at all. I mean that that has always been my question about about all of this. But as far as his motive, it may have just been he was suicidal decided to take as many people with him as he could that might have been his only motivation. And what easier way to do with in from a high rise hotel over a over music festival. And I mean, I know that there's there's, you know, everybody says, oh, you know, it was only Republicans that were shot. I don't know if that's confirmable or not I know that it's usually conservatives that listen to to country music and things like that. So it's a safe bet. But it's not I don't know if that's confirmable. I really don't know if it's confirmable that everybody who was killed was a Republican. I I find that hard to believe personally. But there is all the cries for gun control. And that's where a lot of these these conspiracy theories usually come out of when it comes to these mass shootings is, you know, it was it was a setup to push more gun control. Again. I don't know. I'm not I'm not a conspiracy. Theorist? I don't do conspiracy theory. They might be right. They might be wrong who the hell knows. But as far as this one is concerned, I think this guy just wanted to take out as many people as he possibly could make himself, quote, unquote, immoral. And do himself in. And I think that was probably that was probably the motive as this guy said it was all about doing the maximum amount of damage in him taking some form of infamy. And it's the easiest thing. I mean, it's I don't know how hard it is to bust out window if you really want to a hotel. I mean, I'm sure if you fire enough rounds at it, you could probably you could probably bus out a window. But. We're going to have a lot of unanswered questions from this. I think those questions are going to remain unanswered. And you know. I've heard all the questions I've heard all the theories. I don't think this was a setup. I don't think we're being lied to. I just really think they don't know what was happening. And I know a lot of people I believe I believe a lot of the families and everything are actually suing the Mandalay bay, which I can completely understand. Because like I said how did they not see all those guns coming in? There was all these questions. How did he get so many rounds off before anybody confronted him? You know, there's a lot of them. I don't wanna go into all of this. Because this is I just don't want to go into all of it. But there there's all these conspiracy theories in that's why and I can understand whether he's families would go after the Mandalay bay. But do I think it's possible for us to get all the answers here. I just don't think it is. And I haven't thought so since the beginning when they started talking about the fact that this guy really did not have an online footprint, or you know, just anything and people people say, oh the. This isn't possible in today's day and age will. Yes, it is. My mother is sixty nine years old. Okay. She's not that much older than sky was. All right. My mother has no internet footprint. She really uses the internet. She's got no Facebook. She's got no Twitter. She's got no YouTube. She's got none of that. Okay. She has an Email account that she occasionally emails back and forth, the people that she used to work with and, you know, some of our neighbors to set up, you know, dinners and stuff like that. But as far as having an actual own line footprint. My mother doesn't have one. A lot of older people don't and soon as I said this guy was sixty four years old. That was my first thought was his guy as an have any kind of internet footprint. You know, it's not unheard of for people of his age and older to not have one. I I mean, it's just it's not part of their life. It's not part of their world. And they don't see it as having any value. Okay. Which it doesn't? None of this crap has value. We know that. But it's part of our lives. Okay. It's not part of theirs. They live the majority of their lives without all this crap. They got by just fine. And they're looking at a now, and they're saying, well, I got by just fine without it. Then I'm gonna get by just fine without a now. Okay. That's why he's got no online footprint, and because there's no one line footprint anything. He said anybody else was his here say we don't know if he told people what he was gonna do. We don't know if his girlfriend or whatever had anything to do with it if they don't come out and say, yeah, this is this is what he told me and. Yeah. This is the role. I played in it. It said etcetera etcetera. We don't have any way of knowing and I'm not gonna blame the F B I for this. Because I think they probably did the best that they could. And that might have been his only motive the guy may have just been done. And he may have decided I'm not doing this anymore. And he just decided to take as many people with him as he could. Because some people are just jerks like that. And they decide that if they're gonna take their own life darned, they're gonna take somebody with them. This guy just decided to take fifty eight people with him. And if he had had the chance he probably would've tried to take more and as far as the conspiracy theories about the gun control and everything every mass shooting is used as a political ploy for for gun control. And as far as the bump. Stocks are concerned. Having spent seven years in a gun store and the second store that I worked for the guy that owned it thought those bump stocks were just the best things in sliced bread. And I can tell you we had but tons of them in the store. I was working there when they first were released, and he just ordered just, but tons of these things for for whatever rifles. They were available for people didn't buy them. They were not popular. It was not it was not an intimate device. Okay. They're not. There was no registration for them. You bought him the same way you would buy any other stock. It was just a piece of plastic. It was an ugly as a place. And. With the unnecessary nature of it. Plus the hideous looks of it people just didn't buy them in. There aren't as many of them out there as as you would magin and his anti gun owners think there are out there. They just there just aren't we eventually ended up putting them on sale at cost, and he's still couldn't sell the damn things. They were like one hundred twenty dollars at the time. And this is when they first came out people were not willing to spend one hundred twenty dollars to buy a stock to do something they can do with their belt loop and it. They just were not hut commodity. And they were not as popular as people want to think and want you to believe that they were nobody had the damn things. Nobody cared as why these states were they're saying that people aren't turning them in and they're they're everybody's you know, good job. You know, don't, you know, don't comply, and you know, other people freaking out because people are complying, it might not be that people aren't complying. It might be that there actually isn't anybody in your state that owns one. I mean, straight up there might not be anybody in your state who owns one because they were useless. They were stupid, and I can't imagine. This was the only time Abon sock showed up in a crime is the only time that I have been able to find that was recorded that a bump stock was used in a crime. And so few people had them. And so few people gave a crap about them. I mean before this happened. I had already left the gun store. And I completely forgot the darn things even exist that I just completely forgot about them until this happened. I can't imagine that they would orchestrate something like this to do away with stocks. Just why? More people were killed at that event and probably own the darned eggs. So I just don't see why that would be a thing. I don't understand why that would be done and as far as we gun control. I don't know. I it's not unheard of for the government the poll crap like this. It's been done throughout history or government. Everybody's governments amusement done throughout history. Who knows okay? But. I'm finding it hard to believe maybe it's because I don't want to. But I'm finding that kind of thing to be very hard to believe. And I'm I'm the biggest skeptic on earth. When it comes to conspiracy theories. I hate conspiracy theories. I just do. So I don't. I don't go for them that easily. I find it very hard. I find it very hard to grasp any of them. So even with this. I am leaning more towards the guy just one at a Petkoff off as many people as he could before he blew himself away. Before I go for any of these conspiracies conspiracy theories. Okay. So let's go ahead move on since we still have like two more stories over in them just running on at the mouth here. So let's move on a YouTube and conspiracy theories. Okay. Youtube crackdown on conspiracy videos video sites stop recommending blatantly false videos to users and this is from the Daily Mail, which is UK site. And it says Google says move will target phony miracle cures for a serious illness, claiming the earth is flat or making blatantly false claims about historic events like nine eleven and combination of AI in humans will check the video content. Oh, God YouTube is getting a involved again, the AI never works. And this is nothing new as as the article states a little bit further down to be clear. This will only fact recommendations of what videos to watch not whether video is available on YouTube, and it's going after people who have what they call borderline content. Okay. It stuff that doesn't actually violate their their terms. But it comes really close. And they're talking about conspiracy theories like. Well, like, they said there that the earth is flat, and you know, historic events like nine eleven didn't happen things. Like that. It's it's common knowledge that the social media platforms YouTube Facebook, Twitter, all of them kind of either remove or hide away things that they don't like it's common knowledge. I it's just that's the way it happens. I've I've watched a half on my own YouTube channel, I I pretty much have stopped going live on YouTube because may and I know many many other people or having this problem, and it's not just conservatives. Okay. I'm I'm gonna put it. I'm gonna put that out there. It's not just conservatives because there are other people that I talked to who have other topics that either aren't political or they're extremely liberal or whatever the case may bay. They will go live and the people who follow them don't get any notification that their live they'll post new videos up, and there is no notification. That a new video was there. And I have watched my views on YouTube completely tank. I'm at the point where I'm actually considering podcasting and letting you to go because it's just it's a waste of my time. I was at a point where I was getting hundreds of thousands of us, and I have watched teeter off to almost nothing. So it's kinda like putting time into these videos, and they're not popping up recommendations. And I'm looking at my analytics. Most of views on I'm getting on YouTube or coming from Facebook believe it or not I have a Facebook group that's fairly active. So they're coming from. They're they're not coming from from recommendations, my videos are not being recommended. Okay. We know that kind of thing is happening. And I'm not exactly the most extreme right-wing person you'll ever meet. I don't even consider myself to be right wing. I'm sure they consider me to be right wing. I know Facebook. I you can do something we can go in and see how Facebook classifies you Facebook classifies me very conservative, which is hysterical. I have a lot of liberal views. I really do. I have a lot of liberal views when it comes to things like, you know, gay marriage and just a lot of things, and I have a lot of conservative us as well. So I have that's why call myself conserva -tarian, but places like Facebook, it's me the very conservative. I'm sure you too probably those as well. And they don't seem to like. They don't seem to like anything that makes you think. Okay. And I'm not on the on the bandwagon says that YouTube is just blocking out conservatives because they're not there's actually a channel that I watch. That actually has to do with Saxon sexuality, and you know, things like that in those guys can get a little raunchy. They there's no nudity. There's nothing that nature, but the topics obviously are a little bit raunchy those guys get Mont de monetize all the darn time. Okay. And they are as liberal as you can get those guys are like wearing resist shirts and stuff like that. So I mean, there is liberal as you can possibly get and their stuff is is not getting recommended their stuff is, you know, if being the monetize left, right and sideways, I have I know people who talk about various religions, there's one channel I watch where the guy is. He just discusses religion. He's not a religious person. But he goes through every religion on earth. He can get he can get information on and he's usually democratized. So it's one of those things where as I as I normally say you either have to torture complete strangers or be. Your children to get any kind of recommendation or any kind of you know, monetization on YouTube. That's pretty much what you have to beat your kids. Are we completely awful to strangers? Because what is it exactly that YouTube is constantly pushing every time I go into YouTube. Do you know what my recommendations look like? Road rage paranormal and public freak outs. Those are the videos that are always recommended to me on YouTube. I run a YouTube channel that's all about politics. You would think my recommendations would be politics. Not so much. I'm getting road rage videos. But I have an issue with this on varying different levels. First of all the eye the eye sucks. I ran tests with this on my YouTube channel way back in the day. All of my videos were getting pegged. They were getting monetize. And it was just immediate was like within ten seconds going live. They were they were democratized. And I couldn't figure out what it was that. I was doing wrong. I kept trying to change tags. I kept doing things by titles. I kept changing my my thumbnails. I, you know, I would delete the video and then upload it with some edits. It would still get the monetize yada yada, yada. So I up loaded a weird video on my channel. All it was was a clip from my dash Cam of a drive that I talk I I had gone out with some friends and on the way home, I recorded the entire drive home. I sped it up. And I said, it's music. There was no conversation. There was no political content. There was no there was nothing. It was just. This sped up drive home with music over it within ten seconds of being posted to monetize. I had to request a manual Rio on it. And it took them two weeks to do the manual review before they would Ramana ties it. So pretty much the eye at YouTube socks, their AI, grabs certain people with certain content on their channels, and they are pretty much immediately pug, the plugged no matter what they post up doesn't matter. And I want people of like, I said, I watch people have varying content. I don't watch him spiracy theorists. Because as I said earlier, I don't like it spiracy theory. I really don't it drives me up the wall. And I have a reason for it. And I'm not going to get into. But I mean, I watched people on the left I watch people on the right? I watch people who are very focused on one issue, whether it be guns and gun control, or you know, gay rights, or, you know, whatever the case may be I have certain channels that I watch and all of these people are complaining about the same thing. They're all getting democratized. They're all getting pegged. Their videos aren't getting recommended people whose videos, I would watch every single video that they that they? Released all of a sudden, I'm getting zero notifications from them zero. I've people who on my YouTube videos from the very start replied to every single video that I posted all of a sudden, they're gone. They're not there anymore. People are disappearing. You have people are just being automatically were moved from your subscriber less. They're just being unsubscribe. They were channels that. I know I was watching. I was regularly watching that I suddenly became unsubscribe to that. I never chose unsubscribe from. So it's the way the YouTube AI works. It really sucks. So I mean, all this. They're saying here is great and wonderful and all that crap. But it's garbage. And it's going to be garbage. And it's gonna make everybody's lives. Difficult is gonna make your life on YouTube really really difficult, which is why I'm at this point. I really am considering like I'm gonna keep uploading my podcasts over to to YouTube. But I'm probably not gonna spend a whole lot of time making bonus videos of their because. White. I I'm getting a better reach with my podcast than I am at YouTube. What's the point? Why would I keep up YouTube? If I can't get anything there in order for me to get something not YouTube. I have to go out and pull pranks complete strangers. That's the only way I'm going to get any attention to YouTube. So who cares? I was gonna let it go. They can they can have that. And they can use it as their their little torture chamber and knock themselves out. I don't like to be cruel to people. So apparently, I'm not gonna make it on YouTube, which is fine. However, as far as the conspiracy theory, the other issue that I have with it is I believe people have the right to say this stuff. I am. I am a free speech fanatic. I don't like conspiracy theory. It doesn't mean I wanna shut conspiracy theorist down. I don't like them. So I'm not gonna watch videos. I'm not gonna listen to their podcasts. I'm not gonna follow them on Twitter. I'm not gonna join our Facebook pages. But it doesn't mean that. I want them shut down. The whole flatter thing. I mean as big everybody makes fun of them yada, yada, yada. They're allowed to believe that the earth is flat. And if they wanna go out and proclaim to the world that they believe the earth is flat. They should be allowed to do that. The people who talk about nine eleven not happening or being an inside job or whatever the case, whatever it is that they do they infuriate me to no end. I will not listen to people talk about this crop with nine eleven. I will not listen to it. Because it infuriates me. I lost people on my eleven. I actually stood on my front porch and watch those buildings come down. I don't wanna hear your conspiracy theories on it. I don't. Everybody knows what happened that day. You can come up with a conspiracy theory about anything. I don't have to like it. I don't have to listen to it. But that's the point. If you don't like it. You don't wanna hear it? You don't need to be shut down. Don't watch the video. Don't listen to podcasts. You have that. Right. It's just with anything else. That's why I have gotten into a lot of trouble for my take on the NFL kneeling. Okay. I don't have an issue with those guys kneeling care if they Neil. I'm not gonna particularly watch. I'm not going to back them up. I'm not gonna say there, right? But I'm not gonna turn around and say that they should all be fired. If they do it. I should I'm not gonna turn around and say that they should be docked pay. If the NFL allows it then they allow it. They have the right to do it. This is America. That's pretty much what the constitution is therefore to protect that kind of thing. Whether you like it or not, it's protected and San goes for conspiracy theory, whether you like it or not it's protected you're allowed to say you're allowed to hear it, and I don't like the blocking of us. I think people should have access to every side possible on every issue imaginable. I don't want people hearing just stuff from the right? I don't want people hearing just stuff from the left conspiracy theory is annoying. But it's there and people are smart enough to make their own decisions. Yeah. People are going to believe it. They're going to believe this stuff that these people exist they're out there, and they're going to believe this stuff. And I have had I have posted things on my website about his verily theory and specific and spiracy theory. And I can not even begin to tell you the crazy emails that come in and the threats that I have gotten because I refuse to give any credence to these things. But I don't agree with silencing them. Put it all out there because if you take three sides, and you listen to all three of those is will say left wing right wing conspiracy theory, if you listen to all three of those somewhere in there, you're gonna find the truth, you're not gonna find the whole truth, and the whole fact on just one of those sites, everybody's gonna give you the side that makes their view shine. Okay. Which is why I'm a big proponent of listening to the left listening to the right may be listening to conspiracy theory. But you know, listen, the libertarians listen to the green party, listen to the veterans party listen to all these different parties. Okay. Listen to all these different views. Listen to all these different platforms somewhere in there. You will find what you believe to be true. What is actually true? Or what you need to know. That's the only way to do it. It's sort of like only getting your news from one news source. You're gonna miss stuff you're not gonna get the whole story. You're not gonna get the correct information. You're going to only see mistakes that are going to get corrected later. Way down the line somewhere where you're probably not going to see them. So you're going to be missing formed at that point. That's why you shouldn't just focus on one group. You should get your news from varying different places. I'm news junkie. So this is easy for Mace's. What I do all day long. It said, I know. But this is this is what I do all day long. I love the news. I love reading the news. I love being into all this stuff. I love sharing the news pushing stuff out there getting all this information out. Why I'm doing this? Okay. But I believe in the reason I do that is because I want people to get their news for multiple sources. I want you to hear sides other than the side that you're used to because when you refuse to listen any other side, you are in an echo chamber. And you're also feeding off of the hive mind that's around you. Okay. And when you don't you end up with large swaths of areas where everybody believes the same thing and everybody pats each other on the back and everybody kind of moves around like Doronin, it's just kinda stupid. Okay. And care. What side you're on? It's stupid when you move around on hive mind like that I live in an extremely blue area. And I'm watching that where everybody pass each other on the back, but they're at a point in that hive mind where when somebody comes out and says, well, what about this? They don't even respond. They just stand there and look at you. This is the kind of thing that you shouldn't we shouldn't have. So I don't like blocking any side, even if it is conspiracy theory, even if it is the craziest thing you've ever heard in your life. It should be out there. Okay. And the way you to function is now if if you don't watch conspiracy theory, it's probably not going to get recommended to you. Okay. They tend to push things that you actually watch. Now every once in a blue moon, I like to watch a road radio or I like to watch, you know, I I have thing for horror, videos and everything on YouTube. So I get a lot of stuff about paranormal, and you know, creepy pastas and things like that. Because I'm kinda ended at stuff I don't watch conspiracy theory. So it is very rare that a conspiracy theory video is suggested for me. Okay. If I have a particular day where I'm watching a lot of people give their opinions on a certain thing. Okay. I might start a whole lot of recommendations from all these other people who had who had opinions on the same topic. Okay. That's kind of the way that the YouTube AI is supposed to work as the way it does work. So if you are in the conspiracy theory, you're gonna get a lot of recommendations for conspiracy theory. Okay, now with this AI kind of blocking that out and saying, oh, we're not going to recommend them quite as much. Here's the problem with that. If you're in the conspiracy theory, and that's what you wanna watch you're gonna find it. They're not removing the videos from YouTube. You're going to go ahead and search it and you're gonna find it anyway. So you're not stopping these people from seeing this stuff, and you're not gonna prevent them from believing this stuff. Okay. And as far as the miracle cures and stuff like that snake oil has been around since the beginning of time in if you believe that garbage actually works. That's your own problem. Those are mistakes that people should be allowed to make their own. If you wanna waste your money on snake oil that like I said has been around since the beginning of. Time. That's why Colt snake oil. That's your problem. That's your mistake to be made. That is your money that you're gonna spend on that that is completely up to and we are getting into a time period where we feel like people are too stupid make these decisions on their own. And yet some people are going to be stupid, and they're gonna believe some of these conspiracy theories, and they're gonna buy snake oil. That's not your problem. It's theirs. And I don't understand why the social media sites and everything seemed to think that it is their job to stop him from doing that. It's not okay now real quick because I think we're probably going a little over on time. We're going to do the headline of the week which is for media eight, and it is are you ready for this? As the silliest thing you're gonna hear all week. Trump reportedly keeps showing White House guests where Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky had sex. Apparently what he's doing is. He's you know, he takes people tours and everything, you know, media senators, congressmen, whatever he takes around the White House and everything and he he boys out where they had sex. I blazer know how he knows where they had sex. I thought most of took place the Oval Office. I dunno is the whole thing with the cigars in the little. I have my own. I m I own theories of the whole Monica Lewinsky thing, it's. I think it was a setup, but we're not even gonna get into that. Because it's really old news. But. I gotta admit if I was the president. I would do the same kinda crap. It'd be like, yo. This is where it happened. I keep his garb ox here. Just for reasons. But I, and you know, what I totally believe that story is real. I totally believe it's true. Because I say at KABC Kate you see Trump way point out. This is where they had sex. 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MK235: MK REWIND:: Tulsa/Greenwood Massacre

Minority Korner

29:40 min | 9 months ago

MK235: MK REWIND:: Tulsa/Greenwood Massacre

"Welcome to minority corner where we take an introspective. Look at the world through an Intersectional Lens I'm James He him his. I make. We're political actor activists. Comedian can Syrian, self-proclaimed sexy blurred. That, say NERD and each week I'm joined in the corner by another fabulous minority where we tackled the news pop culture, politics, media, history, and more, all of the little self-care and south loves sprinkled throughout. Its the minority corner rewind each Tuesday. We will have a bonus episode of minority corner dig into the archives and selecting a corner that is appropriate to revisit for the moment you know with so many new listeners who've joined in the past week or so, and you know what honestly, even for some of veteran corner, kids, we've had around four hundred corners, and sometimes it can feel like cramming for an exam as you're getting all the information, and so let's revisit some of this. And for some of you, it'll be brand spanking new. And you know. Honestly the Best Line of Defense in the war against the stomach, racism is going to be knowledge and information. Knowledge is power as they do say, it's going to be able to arm us with these. You know what are the causes of everything. We're experiencing the symptoms of systemic racism. But where did this all come from? As we said, nothing happened in a vacuum, so the more that we hear these stories and understand this it's got a better arm us for moving forward at enacting policies and knowing what it is that we are fighting against in fighting for. So on our last episode, Bruce Walked US through the. Police in America and we began talking about HBO the watchmen and the graphic novel, and specifically about the HBO Series We, then started talking about Tulsa, which reminded me of minority Corner co-creator at neck as wonderful corner a few years ago on the Tulsa Greenwood massacre and with everything that's going on. It just seems so fitting to revisit the story of Greenwood. who were the people that made up? This black town of Greenwood also dubbed as Black Wall Street and what caused or started what would ultimately be the massacre and destruction of this town at the hands? Hands of white supremacist for some of you. You've never heard of this before, so it's going to be brand. John Dropping information or maybe just heard snippets, and well. There's a reason why this was not in history class, and we discussed that so strap in as we look at the microcosm of what happens when in town of black people get to successful and stick around at the very end we'll debrief, and also we will give shout out to our tweet and review of the week. It's time to learn laugh and play right here on minority corner rewind. This is. Cold. Yeah Jennifer heads. Okay Serena me talking about. At the beginning the Tosa race riots, or what I like to call the Greenwood massacre. This is that you corrected yourself before you wreck yourself. I don't want people idea because they'll come at you. They're come of age. Thing okay, thank you. So what is this about, I don't really know anything about. We're going to go on a journey because a lot of the articles that I read. I was inspired by actually Andrew. My husband sent this to me. And also I did some more research and I found some stuff on Ebony. Online and also there's a good wikipedia page about it I'm not basing only on Wikipedia just. No to everybody, I have several sources. Listen. Librarian you've got the receipts. I know you know how to do your research. I'm no. Okay so we're going to go through. Some history focused so when Tulsa became A. Booming town in the United States also Oklahoma many because I was like I. Don't know where. It's an Oklahoma okay. Okay, so it was people kind of considered to separate cities, because it was segregated, so the white residents of Tulsa they referred to the area north of the Frisco. Railroad tracks little Africa, Lord. Okay. All right I'm sorry, continue okay. This community later acquired the name Greenwood by the black residents. So in nineteen twenty one, it was about home to about ten thousand black residents and Greenwood was the center on a street known as Greenwood Avenue original name. Came from. This was important because it ran north over a mile from the Frisco railroad yards, and it was one of the few streets that did not cross through both black and white neighborhoods, so greenwood was purely only the black neighborhood in Tulsa Ok. So around the start of the twentieth century. So how did all these black people get to this section? They got time. So basically, let's go to a couple of people who started this one man. O. W. girly. He was a wealthy black land owner from Arkansas in. He traveled the United States to participate in the. Land Run of eighteen, eighty, nine incurred, so Oklahoma land run was racists where they basically kicked all the native Americans off of land, and then they were like. Hey, anybody who wants to go, get it. Grab it. Take it, and then you become owner of it. I think I mentioned this back a couple of episodes ago when Martin Luther. King gave the thing where a bunch of white settlers were able to get free land yeah. This is right after slavery and will didn't have nothing so this man Owi girly in eighteen eighty nine was like fuck that Shit. He. He was already well to do. He was a painter. And he had just resigned from a presidential appointment under grover Cleveland Really Yeah, and so he was like I'm going to strike out on my own. So in one, thousand, nine, hundred, six, girly, early, moved to Tulsa Oklahoma where he purchased forty acres of land. He has forty eight got already errors in guest. This guy he was like fish, only going to be sold to color people gets all the snaps. Other sounds right because black ownership was unheard of the time, so he's like I'm getting my own, but I'm also going to give it to. My people is almost as wannacry just like. That like you are, so boss asked, and that time period to build a have momentum energy to nasty as they me, too. I'm GonNa, have this four. My people xactly fucking amazing amazing, so here's another story him and other Black American entrepreneur, J B Strand Stan Strat Ford He arrived in until say in eighteen ninety nine. He believed that black people had a better chance of economic progress. If they pooled their resources and work together, which is true, it's true. Day I. Know True Shop, a black owned businesses. He bought large tracts real estate in the northeastern part of Tulsa which he subdivided in also sold exclusively black folks. So, these people are lake setting it up, so word started spreading around. And Black Americans who traveled to Oklahoma the Ra like okay. Let's go to Oklahoma. This is promised land. They were able to trace ancestors back to Oklahoma like a lot of them were they had traveled by foot by cart. How? Could they travelled by. Five civilized try on travel on foot with five civilized tribes, so native Americans help them get their the also travelled along the trail of tears, which is depressing, but they traveled there to get there. They were also many of the black people were descendants of. Creek seminoles in the. Tribe, so they were definitely. The A lot of a lot of black people were returning home great. Yeah, yeah, so. Then oil strokes five. No, okay. This is a good good. Okay, black goes. So the oil boom in the one thousand nine hundred ten teens. Northeastern version area of Oklahoma around Tulsa flourished including Greenwood neighborhood, and it became so wealthy it was known as the Negro Wall. Street or black, wall. Street Oh my God. I want to go to there. Yeah, so the area was home to several prominent black businessmen. Now only did black Americans want to contribute to the sex two sex success. Too Many S.'s and see. Why do we need all those? In their combat down. Larry, they did good. Good their shops. They were also there was also the racial segregation laws, so they had no other option, but to shop in Greenwood with their own people, but they were supporting each other news oil boom, wealthy wealthy area. So Detroit Avenue along the Standpipe Hill contained a number of expensive houses that belonged to doctors, lawyers and business owners. The buildings on Greenwood Avenue housed offices of almost all tolls, his black lawyers, realtors, doctors and other professionals amazing. This sounds like a black utopia, right? There were fifteen well-known black American physicians, one of whom was DR AC Jackson Okay now do. Now Dr Jackson was considered the most able Negro surgeon in America the. I'm right. Damn right okay so. At the same time K. Ku Klux Klan started Fuck Air Goes. Yeah, here yards so in northeastern Oklahoma. There the Klu Klux Klan started to pop in. There is racial and political tension. So in about one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety one. There were about thirty two hundred members of the clan in Tulsa. Okay. Ready I'm not. Give it to me because I need to know. We need to know this so I've set the seat you've servicing. I know exactly what I feel like. I imagine transported back to their. I am just waiting to see what happens next. So. The madness all started march, thirty, first, one, thousand, nine, twenty, one, when a seventeen year old white girl. Named Sarah page. accused. A black, a nineteen year old, Black Man Dick rollins. Of assaulting her. Alleged Ray allegedly alleged her word. This is, and she was an elevator operator and he was a shoeshiner. Okay, they went to the same building or something. So that one event. That's that's it. The word of one seventeen year old white woman against the word of one thousand nine year old black. shoeshiner. Okay so that gave local mobs of white men, acting as police Kazu invade the community on March, thirty, first nineteen, twenty one. This assault was met by. A bunch of armed. Community members to defend their home. Some were black will were one veterans, so they defend the country, and now they have to defend their home from other Americans. This is why I don't call it a riot. Because nobody was, this was brutal brutal, so during the night and day of the riot deputize whites killed more than three hundred black people. Insane and Rehydrate, and this is also like their American citizens right he's. Like that's. Focused coming into your town and city, just slaughtering your community and your people three hundred. It gets worse. They looted and burned to the ground forty square blocks of one, thousand, two, hundred, sixty five African American homes, including hospitals, schools churches in destroyed one hundred and fifty businesses, the city of Tosa you conspired with the mob, arresting more than six thousand black residents and refusing to provide assistance law enforcement dropped firebombs on buildings homes in fleeing families, stating that they were protecting against the Negro uprising in estimated that ten thousand people were left homeless. Remember when I said in nineteen twenty one that there are ten thousand black people in Greenwood literally everyone who live there was left homeless. Okay so let's go back into the personal stories. Yeah, so og early. Remember him, yeah. He lost, everything. During the race riots girly hotel. The first, the streets first commercial on. Valued at fifty five thousand dollars was lost along with the Brunswick billiard parlor. The Dock Eastman Hughes Cafe Greeley also owned a two story building. It House Carter's barbershop, hardy rooms pool hall in a cigar store. All were reduced to ruins by his account and court records. He lost nearly two hundred thousand dollars in the nineteen twenty one massacre, not calling. A right well, it's interesting. It's like who gets to towel history right and gets to report on it because I mean there's there's nothing about a riot about this. People were literally there was a massacre. They went in I. Think it's even like I. Don't know when you call it when there's people that go into your towel in a mob, its destruction, they can't handle the fact that black people were wealthy. That's what it literally comes on so interesting because it's like. I think this is the prime example because I was thinking about. You know like sounds like a black topiary, and I think a lot of communities. Do really well by keeping their money within their communities and their local businesses I. This is the reason why. Black communities are able to thrive. It was shut down immediately immediately and we lessen. It's there was like a message was sent in the black community. Our communities are thriving as much as others are. We lose our neighborhoods or neighborhoods as much. We don't own right our own wealth. We don't keep the money within our own community and one accusation by a seventeen year old girl leads to three hundred people losing their lives in everyone becoming homeless in all the buildings. Anyway so remember Ab. Jackson got Dr Jackson the most capable. Black surgeon. He was shot to death. He left his house during the unrest in somebody shot him. So, this massacre was omitted from state and local records in Israeli mentioned in history, books, classrooms, or even private. I never heard about this ever. This is destruction at the highest level. If this were to happen right now. Can You imagine this disgusting? When I heard the story, I could not believe it. I mean it goes back to like what you're saying. I mean. They could not stand that this. These black communities again like this group of people that were brought here from not stolen from their homes, only for generations and look how fucking successful the system not do something just make a new for their lives, and weren't bothering. Anybody had their own communities or own place and handles them and being successful at the same thing like how people today still cannot stand up. There was a black man in the white. House and can't stand seeing a beautiful black family. Be Beautiful, amazing, brilliant, right? We firebomb the White House. That's what happened. America couldn't handle it, so they fired on the White House dislike. Barnes down there like earned the Shit Donald Trump in there. So here's the aftermath I can't just leave off on that note, thank you. Yeah, so the community mobilized. Resources and rebuilt Greenwood in five years. Really the resilient I know. Can you imagine that? So once they rebuilt it. Throughout the twentieth, there was a hotbed of Jazz and Blues Beauty of Abe persevered. They persevered. Unfortunately, the neighborhood fell to economic and population drain of the Nineteen Sixty S, but they're in. Much of the area was leveled during. In the nineteen. To make way for a highway loop around the downtown district relation, not an accident where we're going to put this highway over this black community is sorry. Go highway four it as probably sucking resources from them to get them into the economic in population drain. So violation preservation efforts in the nineteen nineties and two thousands resulted in tourism initiatives memorials into debt young John, Hope Franklin Greenwood Reconciliation, Park and the Greenwood Cultural Center honor the victims of the Tulsa race riot or the green, road massacre as an redoubling in although the Greek Chamber of Commerce plans a larger museum to be built with participation of the National Park. Service. So. If you live in Oklahoma, I say go visit Greenland support that district go to the museums. Go support because these stories need to be told. These are the things that we need to remind America that. If something in one thousand, nine, hundred twenty, one happened where you can firebomb a whole community and leave ten thousand people without homes and three hundred people without their lives, and then take it off the books, and nobody gives a fuck about it then we're not living in a proper society, because that was not that long ago and the grand scheme of things that was supposed to be like the roaring twenties. Be The pipe of the there. Yeah. This is why whenever somebody like. Fun I'm like. No you're like and here's a little pamphlet right about. This massacre happened that no one talks about exactly so I am bringing the I want everybody to be aware of the history of America, aware of what happened aware when when black people try to do something for themselves. What happened in how it's all interconnected? The word of a seventeen year old white girl seventeen is a girl, and I'm not discrediting her. It could even have happened. happened. This guy could've assaulted her probably dip, but even if he did this didn't need to be the result of it doesn't give permission to essentially massacre the slaughtering of entire community. We're slot on. It was unwise unwarranted in that sense. Exactly three hundred people lost their lives. You know it's interesting of that time. Period is I birth of a nation had just come out and. Eighteen I believe. Yeah, and it literally depicts the story in this fear in this phobia and again what happens when fear and phobia takeover just to go back to my plane ride? Experience I did not allow the fear and phobia. Two I could have rallied entire plane. Ride against him, you know. And I'm sure would have happened with the right fear minded person in their. Over, takeover can sit there, but it doesn't to let it. Take over in that sense, this should be explored more in black history month as well right, think like. Thank you for providing me more of the history of my people in my community. Because I mean even blacks remote, it can't just be like Martin. Luther King and Rosa. Parks Rosa Parks. They're great, but let's explore more avenues talk more about the ugly things that have happened and the perseverance is the thing that I take away. Most of this story is how black people continue to persevere and I say this. We are beautiful magical people. We are in order to five years. Bounce back from that bullshit. Also I just want to really emphasize that. Guest. This is a black community, and this happened to black people, but it's American history in. If you're white if you're Asian if you're Latin next if you are. If you are American. This is your history. Yeah, this happened on American soil by American people to American Pie. This is your story your story if you consider yourself American, this is your story and where that drought-like where that travesty where it with you. Can you pushing forward and moving forward? Pushing forward and moving forward, you just go in full. Go forward with your bad south. To Your Corner Kofu would over to my. Ford email, but it over to me. They are lucky that all black people want is equality and not revenge. That's a powerful quote from the author. Kimberly l Jones who gave an impassioned speech will link that in the show notes. She gave an impassioned speech. That just really seemed incredibly fitting to the story of Tolstoi Greenwood. You know with all that we've been through an experience at the hands of white folks. All black people really want his piece equity and equality, and that's really not asking for much, not revenge. Just equality. And just looking at the story of toll, such seeing how it all started because of the accusation of a white girl seventeen years old. And we see other times in history were accusations from white women have led to the death and destruction of black bodies. You know Emmett till comes to mind, and even recently what happened with Christian Cooper when he was bird-watching in central park, and a white woman threatened to call the police say African American men was attacking her while he simply. Asked her to leash her dog and those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. This is why my heart was so broken and so many black folks around the country when they heard the story about what happened. Christian Coop Cooper that story. It triggers the past because we know. We know that this could turned out so differently for him. Because history has shown us that and in an alternate timeline, which is you believe an alternate universes. You know. Things in an end up so well for Christian Cooper and he just shot and killed by the police an alternate universe. Maybe we're taking to the streets to demand justice for Christian Cooper that breaks my heart and I am grateful that in this time line in this universe that does not the case for him. You know we also see in the story of Tulsa the history of police. You know mentioned that game mentioned that White. Folks showed up acting as the police. So again. The history of police is rooted. In violence towards black people, controlling the bodies of black people, and if you saw this week, John Oliver, but he cites a quote from post civil war era. Alabama planter that was in and this was included. Michelle Alexander's the new Jim Crow and he's said. In referring to the police this guy said that we have the power to pass stringent laws to govern Negroes. This is a blessing for they must be controlled in some way or white people cannot live among them. That is the history of the police and that is why we need mass reforming restructuring of this institution that they're not. Police are not meant to be warriors against their own people, but they are supposed to be protectors, several servants and protectors of their people, and that's not the structures that are in place across most America and I will tell you. That's not how black people feel not feel. Police are protectors of them in the least bit. Also just to debunk something. There's a lot of talk about what defunding. The police means it means different things on different levels, but it definitely means. Is overly funded in some cities. A third of their budget goes towards the police. We'll actually will be talking about this in greater detail this coming week of the new episode of minority Corner happening on Friday. We're going to dive in to campaign zero, which essentially ten points and ten initiatives towards reform reforming our police structures, and it's all based on data or policies that are either already in place in different parts here in the US or around the world and We're going to break those down. Because also important we talk about you know getting rid of a system or abolishing system. We also want to put in. What are we fighting for? What do we want to put in place events? That's going to happen this coming week on minority corner, so if you haven't watched the watchman, Definitely Watch, it is so apropos frighteningly so of. Just. Everything that's going on. It's a beautiful history lesson Annan's. Comic Book Nerdy, but just the best that comic book since I. has to offer and also touching on issues of generational drama. And going into black history, but black history is American history, and so we need to know our history. 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Why Won't News Show This Trump Debate Clip? & Coinbase Bans Politics | DIRECT MESSAGE

The Rubin Report

31:25 min | 5 months ago

Why Won't News Show This Trump Debate Clip? & Coinbase Bans Politics | DIRECT MESSAGE

"It. All. Right people this is the Rubin report direct message and I have to start. With some condemnations and some things that I need to disavow we live in a time where you must disavow things and you must do it when other people want you to do it and you must do it immediately and then you must do it repeatedly ad. NAUSEAM. So I just I scribbled a few things down and I just want to get out there I want to get ahead of things you know what I mean Wanna get ahead of the curve and I want to disavow and condemn a whole bunch of stuff. So please bear with me. For the beginning here I want to disavow white supremacy. Okay. Disavowing completely or what nothing to do with it I also want to disavow black supremacy not good. Don't WanNA. Do it I don't like it. Okay. I. Also want to disavow Asian supremacy okay that we're not going to be doing that around here. Okay. That's for sure. Jewish, supremacy. No good. Sorry Jews not GonNa do it. All Right Latino supremacy also not a good one. No Muss. Okay. We're not going to do that anymore gay supremacy IRA. No we're not doing it. I'm disavow completely trans supremacy. No I don't believe in it and I want to be very specific about that when I'm talking about deceptive con supremacy. So that goes for megatrend star screen sound waves shockwave the whole thunder cracker, the whole crew all right now no, we're not GONNA do it I wanted this about blind supremacy. You see a lot of Brian people out there with the stick and they're poking you Manono. Death supremacy not not going to do it and I don't know that we're are we putting subtitles on this because that one might slip through the cracks. I also want to disavow tall supremacy because you know these tall people always looking down on everybody and it's just enough of that and of course, short supremacy because you know a lot of people they're always they've got a little bit of a little I'm better than you because I you know sometimes you're looking straight away. You don't see what they're. They think you're better the one thing that I don't want to distance myself from and I want to be very clear about this. Okay. So I just announced. Disavowed this is what you gotta do. It's twenty twenty. I want to be very clear that I am in no way denouncing evil alien robots privacy because I for one welcome our new overlords when they come because it get crazier all right people there's a lot of crazy stuff happening right now and it starts with condemnations disavowing. So we're doing we're doing three stories in today's direct message and the first story that we're going to talk about obviously is the firestorm over trump either disavowing or not disavowing white supremacy depending on where you fall politically, you saw some very different things that happen during the debate the other night I've already got into this I discussed. That he slightly butchered the answer that's what I said immediately after the debate before I saw the media firestorm because he when he was asked the question by Chris Wallace about white supremacy because our media is so defunct and de legitimate and everything else you needed to repeat the question like a fifth grader writing an answer on a test he needed to say I Donald J trump. Disavow condemn white supremacy. Now he's done this a million times before we're going to get to that in just a second but the way he butchered it when he just said sure it gives room for the media to jump in, and of course, that's what the media is doing but I thought what I would show you. I is a clip that is absolutely catching fire on twitter right now and I'm glad that it is I tweeted out it was posted by somebody before me but I tweeted it out and it's just catching fire everywhere. This is from a debate in two thousand sixteen. That's four years ago. And remember now everyone's saying Donald Trump refuses to Dam and disavow probably This is a debate in two, thousand, sixteen. You're not gonNA believe this just who the moderator of the debate is. Chris Wallace, and guess what the question is. Will you disavow white supremacy? And let's go to the videotape site. Totally disavow the Klu Klux Klan I totally disavow David Duke I've been doing it now for two weeks this is. About the eighteenth person that's asked me the question it was very clear that question was also talked about in the form of groups groups I want to know which groups are you talking about? You have to tell me which groups ultimately he got to the Lux land, which obviously I'm going to disavow, and by the way, if you look at my twitter account almost immediately after the program they were disavowed again you know it's amazing when I do something on twitter, everybody picks it up, goes all over the place. But when I did this, what nobody ever picks it up, take a look at by twitter account. Thank you sir how are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia gropes and to say that they need to stand down and not bad to the violence and a number of cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we've seen in Portland. Okay. So we don't even need to show you his response there. I showed it to you the other day you've seen the clip a million times. So that is Chris Wallace the same guy. Asking the same exact question or years ago he heard trump's answer. The media has all heard from answer. They've heard it repeatedly, but they keep running with this nonsense. So then today at the White House press briefing Press Secretary Kayla McAfee. was asked a question by John Roberts about Donald Trump further disavowing and condemning white supremacy. Let's take a look. Start off. I want to ask you for two definitive. And declared a statement without ambiguity. As the person who speaks for the president does the President Denounce White Supremacist Bruce Home. This has been answered yesterday by the President himself the day before by the president himself on the debate stage, the president was asked this he said sure three times yesterday he was point. Blink asked do you denounce white supremacy and he said I have always denounced any form of that I can go back and read free on August two, thousand, nine, hundred, one, voice our nation must condemn racism bigotry and white supremacy in August of two thousand seventeen racism is evil in those who cause violence and its name are criminals and thugs including the K. K. Neo Nazis, white supremacist and other hate groups. I have an entire list of these quotes that I can go through with you condemned whites courtesy more than any president in modern history just to clear up the smart can you maiming it? declared. A statement that you did not that the president announces I just said the president has denounced. Repeatedly and the president was asked this you're making your contriving a storyline in a narrative. To put he said it to rust I just did I read you all of the? SEASON, I looked at it and So. I'm just. In you right now. White supremacy and group. President renounced. The KKK and hate groups in all forms. He signed a resolution to that effect the president just last week perhaps you all were covering but just last week expressed his desire to see the kkk prosecuted as domestic terrorists. This president had advocated for the death penalty for a white supremacists. The first federal execution in seventeen years his record on this is unmistakable and it's shameful that the meteorite. Alright. So I think by watching that unedited clip because I show you an edited things even though again I'm not a journalist I. Wish somebody I wish we had journalists I'd find something else to do. In that unedited clip, it's pretty unambiguous that the man is condemning the KKK. and has done it in the past David Duke. and has done it in the past white supremacy she even mentioned that he wants to prosecute. These groups as domestic terrorists She answers the question repeatedly and clearly John. John Fox where not John Fox whip John. Roberts. John Fox he's on Fox. John Roberts. I think it's a pretty decent reporter from what I can tell. So I don't know what he's going for their. But what they're really trying to do, and then of course, you know these clips are being spread all over. Kaley doesn't condemn white supremacy dances around question Blah Blah Blah. She's literally reading statement after statement of what the GUY is said over years but you know the media, the media just dead in the usual suspects tweeted out as if he didn't condemn what grammercy I, tweeted David Frum today because of his nonsense and then one of these guys this Guy Aaron something at Fox I try not to make it about the people. But. It's like you're a journalist at vox and he tweets out the clip and again it's the implication. No, she's dancing around and she didn't say he's against white supremacy or anything like that. It's in the freaking cliff. This is what gas lighting. And I think what? What trump is realizing and I'm glad to see so much pushback against it today. Is that gas lighting in effect is when you know you've done something and your opponents. Do the complete reverse they do something. So over the top that you just have to keep dancing for them while the house burned down around you and I think trump fully understands that this is the way the media plays and has played for a long time and I think what he's doing is mapping a pat basically for other people. In this case, mostly conservatives are right-leaning people to not back down to. The nonsense and not back down to the mob. You're seeing the mob your this is when you're talking about cancel culture and the mob and everything you're seeing it in action right now what are all these people that are telling you that trump won't denounce white supremacy and everything else and I played the clip from Charlottesville the other day where he absolutely denounces the Neo Nazis in the K. K. K. and even. Just tweeted out this morning Bernie Sanders has a tweet from yesterday where he uses the very fine people on both sides hoax. Now, for some reason, twitter doesn't put a OH. This is factually untrue when Bernie Sanders does it. So we know that there is a political leaning and that's a whole bigger conversation related to big tech and everything else. But what trump is doing basically mapping people and he's showing the mob is GonNa come for you if you if you say something that is true when you have. A track record of saying it and every those they'll still comfort you never been the knee. So I'm glad to see so many people that just absolutely had it and and the media is burning down their old hat their own house is this what you guys want to do is this what you guys WanNa do I did it the other day but here I'll talk directly to hear Joe Biden Joe Biden like look in the combine and I'm talking to you the American people find it very creepy actually. I'll talk to you directly Jake Tapper and Brian Stelter, and Wolf Blitzer, Don Lemon and whoever else guys play the clip of trump and the very fine hoax thing and show that that is a hoax show that that's a hoax and I'll give you credit gladly give you credit most people will give you credit. The problem is the media is in the tank so far for the Democrats and they've dug it so deep. And they never looked back. They never looked back when trump became president all they had to do say, Hey, maybe we did a little something wrong here. Maybe we were a little too biased and people were voting against it. I actually think what's happening right now. In a weird way it's like yesterday a lot of people were saying, Oh you know trump either lost the debate or certainly wasn't at his best in the fact that Biden's head didn't explode Biden did okay I actually think the narrative is shifting now where it's like they went in. So deep on this nonsense about trump not disavowing white supremacy that it's fueling its ruling the trump people right now I feel like they're being. A little a little braver and a little more out there, and the media is just completely losing control and again I know it said this a million times so I'll make it quick. But this is why I did that video the day after the election sitting in my backyard when we didn't even have a studio and did this video saying if you keep calling him a Nazi, you're GonNa, regret it because you're going to. Paint yourself into a corner. It turns out that he's not a Nazi. You can't turn around and say that the Nazi eight that bad. So this is just an extension of everything but I I wanted to think about Chris Wallace look I don't like attacking hosts and moderators I know that as an interviewer you're gonNA. Make some mistakes. You're not going to ask a follow up question here someone might be able to get some. Misinformation and you might miss it sometimes somebody says so many things at once that you can only pick one thing like I'm not gonNA pretend unperfect I don't think Larry King were pretend that he was perfect. I don't think Johnny Carson would say that he was perfect it. There's no perfect way of being an interviewer I don't think. Barbara. Walters. We'd say she was perfect and there's also no perfect way of being the moderator however. For Chris Wallace to ask virtually the same exact question for years. Later, knowing that he knew the answer like if he felt if he really really felt that he had to ask trump about white supremacy even though it's not white supremacists that are burning down buildings, you know West Hollywood here which is the gay is place on Earth. They've got a rainbow crosswalk. Okay. All the gay bars outside. Couldn't get gave you could put glitter in A. You put a lot of glitter all over the place. Okay and it wouldn't be Guar-. There's a lot of glitter over there. the streets are wide with glitter. It's the greatest place on earth and many of the buildings are still locked down and there locked down the storefronts are still lockdown and they've all got the signs Blm we're for peace and justice and diversity, and all this stuff, and it's like they're not locked down because they think their windows are going to be broken by white supremacists where the white supremacist running around breaking windows at stopping people on the street and burning down buildings. I don't know where they are could someone to where they are someone pointed please let me know. They're doing it because they're afraid of ANTIFA, they're afraid of. A protection racket, it's basically the mafia you put up our sign or we'RE GONNA burn your store down. Okay. So everybody's got this whole thing backwards and I thought that intersection -ality. Meant that you're supposed to be four days. So why did they shut down? Basically the gay is placed on earth it's all. Dave have some water. I don't I don't have any water. Where's my water for God's sakes? Anyway it's just it's just a whole bunch of crazy nonsense but what I am enthused about is that we've got a chance to fight back. That's what the online world is. You know these people like to pretend they're the rebel resistance and actually they're the debt star they're the big governmental machine that always wants more power and wants to control how people think and live right. What why did they want the death star? They wanted the death star so that every planet, this is what grandma Tarkhan says, the beginning of Star Wars they want the death. Star because they know the planet will all fall in line because if you got a big gun that can blow up the planet well, then you're going to do what they want and in many ways that is now the goal of the left that they want the government to do everything the government's evil and also give it more money and give it more power like that's what they were doing with the death star so that the planets in this case, the states or individual people can't make decisions for themselves because that thing will be so powerful I'll say one other thing about this and when I said the the Joe Biden keeps turning to the camera and talking to you that I was thinking I meant to mention yesterday I. Was Thinking I was watching the debate like I don't want a politician but says, he can solve all of my problems if trump was telling me I could he could solve all my problems or biden or anyone else it's like that lie that way of thinking that politicians or the government can solve all of your problems. They can't solve all my problems. I actually can't imagine a problem that I could have a well I can't imagine if my house was on fire then I would want the fire department to do something and I do think that's a role for the government or someone was attacking me on the street that is role for the police, and that's but there's very few things where you're like Oh i. Wish the government was here. You know like though they're not very good at things and that's okay by the way, and that's that's actually what our founders were warning us again. So this thing about the government's GonNa do all the things government's GonNa to save you from the Environment in twelve years, the government is going to demand that you drive electric car the government is going to do all these things. No not going to be I'd also like to condemn all of the people and disavow all the people that think the government can do everything because it just can't. All right. I think he got the point on that one people. Let's move on to the second story. This is just Well. It's just an extension of everything. We're we're just living in this time of what Ben Bureau talks about in his new book A. We're living in a time of disintegration like all of the norm seem to be crumbling. And if you're looking at it through the lens of and election, well, then do you think that? Biden. is going to accelerate or slow down or reverse the disintegration or do you think the trump's GonNa do that and I think I think most people think we'll trump's trying to at least restore something. By whatever it is so speaking of disintegration, the new AP style book guidelines are now recommending that. Journalists and journalists. use the word. Unrest instead of riot because riot is too politically charged. So the AP style book for those that don't know this is a book that the AP puts out. I think basically every year they updated with a few things I have one around here somewhere. I think we've got one two my my. Drawer there, and basically they tell you that the types of. Affect how you should go about being a good journalist and a good writer and where you should put commas, parentheses and all of these things. Okay. So it's a guide for how to do basic journalism basic writing. You can think about it that way. Okay. On. A lot of the stuff learned in seventh grade but then there's some deeper stuff than that. Obviously. But now they're recommending that we use the word unrest instead of riot and they put out a twitter thread and let's throw to it. I'll read it to you This is a new guidance on AP style Book Online Use Care, and deciding which term best applies a riot is a wild or violent disturbance of the peace involving a group of people. The term riot suggests uncontrolled chaos and pandemonium. I'll editorialize for just A moment there that does kind of sound like what we've seen in Kenosha and what we've seen in Portland or what we've seen in Seattle and what we've seen in New York and what we've seen in Los Angeles what we've seen pretty much everywhere, and why is that because it is as they say uncontrolled chaos and pandemonium when you see Molotov cocktails being thrown at police officers and people being over the head and you know assaulting people that are trying to sit in restaurants that sounds like uncontrolled chaos me and also pandemonium. The tweet thread goes on focusing on rioting and property destruction rather than underlying grievance has been used in the past to stigmatize broad swath some people protesting against lynching police brutality or for racial justice going back to urban uprisings of the nineteen sixties. Unrest is a vaguer milder and less emotional term for a condition of angry discontent and protests verging on revolt. So we'll go back camera. You see what they did. There they went they started going from we use words because words have of actual definition in fact now but there's a feeling we have about why people do certain things, and now we have to change words that's very, very dangerous. Twitter threat goes on protest and demonstration refer to specific actions such as March sins, rallies, or other actions meant to register dissent, they can be legal or illegal organizer, spontaneous, peaceful or violent. And involve any number of people. So what they just said, that's a Lotta doublespeak right there protest demonstration can be peaceful or violent. Protest can be peaceful, demonstration can be peaceful, but once it's violent that would be what you call a riot i. don't mean to be a stickler for the English language, but you know come with me on this adventure, and then finally revolt an uprising boasts suggest a broader political dimension or civil up evils a sustained period of protests or unrest against powerful groups or governing system. Let seems like what we've got now and they're doing it with riots. Now, I mentioned this story because. At some level, you're probably listening to me and you're going well, what difference does it make what the AP style book says now, as I always use quotes when I talk about journalists. I think probably the rest of you understand why this is important. I know journalistic standards anymore. So this book is trying to give some journalistic standards. They should try giving some journalistic standards related to anonymous sources, but that's a whole other story. What you're seeing here though is that when they're trying to change the language, they're trying to confuse our ability to have a common conversation when when one person sees a city burning down Molotov cocktails and windows being broken and people being attacked and random people being shot and insurgent ANTIFA groups creating their own set of laws in shop in in Seattle. The average person would say that is violent that is A. That is untenable for a civil society, but they would rather you call it unrests because somehow beneath. The exterior of the violence. Beneath it is good people. He's are good people and they're fighting for good things. So we don't want to say that rioters it's just on rest and this is a manipulation. So the so that people will watch the same thing depending on what your political. Affiliation is or your political leanings are you won't be able to have a conversation with someone because you're GonNa say you're GonNa Watch you go. That was a riot they're gonNA go. No, it was just unrest and you're gonNA fight each other out and it'll most likely riot. Problem. This is a real problem and I don't know if you've ever heard of this but there was a book by a guy named George Orwell. It was written about Scotch probably about seventy years ago. Something like that around nineteen fifty maybe. and. George Orwell in one, thousand, nine, hundred many of you. Of course no one thousand, nine, hundred, four, one of the things he talked about was newspeak okay. I WanNa I. WanNa actually read to you what new speak is in this dystopia in society that he believed would occur in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, four, maybe a took a little bit longer than George Orwell but newspeak this is the wikipedia definition of newspeak on wikipedia got a little newspeak in. And of itself, the political purpose of newspeak is to eliminate the expression of the shades of meaning inherent ambiguity and nuance from old speak standard English in order to reduce the languages function of communication by way of simplistic concepts of simple construction pleasure versus pain happiness for said, is good thing for crime thing the last one of these, which linguistically reinforces the state's dominance of the people of oceanic. So that's that's the where they live ocean. That's the country that they. Haven't seen Nineteen eighty-four movie hopefully you've read it but if you haven't done either one of those and you don't have much time. I did a video with Michael Knowles for the Prager you book club we dissect Nineteen eighty-four and in we ended up just talking about current events because there's so many phrases from nineteen, eighty-four four and so much of the landscape politically. That George Orwell talks about is happening now. This is it. What. Once was science fiction is now reality words are changing in front of us and what they're also doing. These are the same people who will say violence is not violent meaning. If you burn down a building that's not violence because you there's insurance and no human no person was hurt directly right. So that's not violent, but they'll also tell you that words violence so that if you miss gender someone vats violence yet if they call someone else and. That doesn't count as that kind of word violets. None of it makes sense and none of it makes sense by design and I think the more you understand that the more you can make sense of the world and actually that does bring me to an interesting point, which is I was on twitter this morning and I was thinking you know I tweeted something about this. It seemed crazier than usual like things do seem crazier than usual and it's partly because of what I talked about where we're all seeing different versions of reality and other than saying there's a war on reality that's what's happening right now but the people. That are making sense to me right now are the people that are honestly looking at the world as it is not as they wanted to be. But if you only look at the world as you want it to be, you will be endlessly miserable because guess what you don't own the world buddy, you can work to make it better, but you don't own it. Speaking of working to make a better I got one or the story that I'm GonNa do relatively quickly Coin Base C E O. His name is Brian Armstrong he issued an interesting statement and it's got a lot of people pissed off and then the former CEO of twitter got Nov I'll get to that in a second, but he just pour gasoline on the whole thing. So Brian Armstrong said that basically he wanted to get in effect what he wants to get social justice of his company I don't know where he stands politically, but he understands that once you let these ideas in and then everyone's fighting about everything that you're going to go. Off Mission Right. And I've talked about this a bunch and Peter whose friend who have had on the show many times he talks about this. If you let social justice into an organization whether you think it's good or bad or indifferent once you have people focusing on how many black people should we have and how many Asian people should we have and how many gay people should we have. You've already directed resources away from the goal which would be to make a better product or sell more stuff or whatever it is you know, I have a better hotel whatever business you're in you're directed resources to things that are in many ways Contrary to what the original business motivation is. Okay. So To. Infect CEO Brian Armstrong these what he said he said Wall I. Think these efforts talking about social justice are well intentioned. They have the potential to destroy a lot of value at most companies both by being a distraction and creating internal division. Now that is true. There's no doubt that that's true. It's true for the reasons that I just said it's true because then everyone is. Hung up in human resources fights, you're going to have if you're hiring people based on immutable characteristics or not going to hire the people who are most qualified, we used to call that a racism if you hire people based on the color of their skin, I'm old school. This creates a whole series of problems and he's just ineffective the CEO of coin basically just saying, Hey. I, you know we do bitcoin word exchange for for CRYPTO. That's all we want to focus on. We don't want to focus on all this other stuff and as the CEO of the company, he has the right to do that I'm I'm the CEO of well, technically I guess I'm the CEO of. David, my partner, my husband is the CEO of our production company, but we make the decisions and that's what you're right to do is if you own a business, you have the right to create the culture that you want. Then former twitter CEO Dick Stelo responded about this and and this is just a doozy. He said me first capitalist who think you can separate society from business are going to be the first people lined up against the wall and shot in the revolution. I'll happily provide video commentary. He is partly right here that yes they will go for capitalists. They'll. They'll get you. Of course, Dick Castillo you're not gonNA believe how much Dick is worth okay. got a lot of dough. Dick is worth three, hundred, Million Dollars Dick has done quite well. In our capitalist society, I don't know what level of social justice or money he gives to organizations or any of that stuff. But what he's doing there is this. If you're if you're curious, we're defining a lot of things that I. If you're curious, what's what virtue signaling is this is virtue signaling at its height. This is a man who through capitalism and through creating twitter, which might ultimately be the most evil thing in the history of human society. Crew created tremendous amount of wealth. As I said, he's worth three hundred million dollars. Now, what he's trying to do is say but I see the barbarians are at the gates. I see you guys are coming. You guys are about to burn the whole thing down. Hey can I film it? Can I film it can film it so you'll spare me and that is virtue signal and you have no virtue that you're GonNa film as they bring your friends and former co workers to the guillotine man that is cowardice of epic proportions Lordy Lordy Lordy. All right. that is the Rubin report wreck message or today I'll be back on Tuesday with more want to remind you guys that yesterday we did. The I hosted it here on the Rubin Report Channel we did about two and a half hour gathering. It was the freedom fest emergency session and I along with Mark Scouser who is the founder of Freedom Fest? We, interviewed about twenty people. Couple of the people you'll you'll recognize from the Rubin report including Michael, Malice, and Matt Kibi and a couple of others. And it was a wide ranging talk all sort of focused on freedom and liberty but we talked about it from a political angle from a Kobe angle from a big tech angle whole bunch of stuff and I think you'll find it really interesting. You can just kind of jump in and out and skip around but the conversations were were pretty enlightening and. and. The reason that we did it online by the way is because we were supposed to do it in Las Vegas. In August, the event was cancelled. That was really looking forward to it. I haven't left La one since this stupid lockdown began and and I said to them. Basically I was like look is I would love to host this on my channel. So we can get these ideas and voices out there and all that stuff Anyway. Have a good rest of your Thursday everyone in your Friday and your Saturday Sunday and Monday's all right to and I'll be back on Tuesday and we've got more interviews coming up Joe Jorgenson Libertarian, presidential candidate. I believe that's what we're putting up next and that's all I've got. I will continue my list. Of people to condemn because, I feel like I left off some people but but for sure I'm not. I'm not condemning the. Well. We're GONNA save the auto bites but. They're not perfect either all right see.

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MadTrio Podcast - Episode 045 - Audio Edition

MadTrio Podcast

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MadTrio Podcast - Episode 045 - Audio Edition

"Welcome to the mad trio podcast this week. We have the california pariah john charney james games the fatman stevens and the man whose girlfriend is favourite comment towards him bitch. Please brian breast long enough to get him finally the last the last time he was hoping it was going to be something better than ryan creepy kwa pressed. I another funny. That's awesome so you you know. I was kinda interested in just bring this up so i actually had a homeless guy. Try to start shoot with me last week now. The really funny thing thing is that his doctor removed the meniscus in one of his legs so when he walks one of his legs basically bent backwards and when he puts his weight on it. Did he tell you that. Are you just know from watching <hes> somebody asked him. He's been hanging around the <hes> restaurant that i work at for about a month and then they finally told the guy bathrooms are for customers. Only which i i mean that's basically every policy of every business except starbucks well. Starbucks is the satan anyways <hes> but you know like after he was told that i was outside picking up some chairs and tables and stuff and bring him inside end of the day shit and he goes mom limb by i'll fuck and remember that adam also the shit and then kind of watched him mails watching to make sure he goes away then he turns goes fucking fucking one step towards me now ryan it unless you mean you can't run yeah literally so <hes> but my thing you know i just kind of gave them a look like okay because miho national responses hurt. You really want to step up to male not on your assets fine. I'll consider actually finishing your lay getting bent backwards all the way but now i guess it was just the look on my face or something but he walked away and i haven't seen him since for this. It's about two weeks ago now but i'm just kind of thinking like johns told me that he seemed that happened more than once for a discount like somebody's trying to start shit with me and i just kind of look at them and my whole policy. Is you know if it's going to happen. Let's just get it over with. Not a thing of i'm going to beat this. Guy's asks win type thing. It's just like okay. Screw it for doing this. Let's do now. I think that that ah mindset and i don't get angry. There's only been mike cup people that i've ever wanted to fight out of anger but it's more of just i okay. Let's just do this and i think that them seeing that. Amy is what kind of makes them rethink their policy there yeah. I think it's <music> a bad word. I think it's presence or bravado because it's the fact that you're you're. You're projecting. What you're feeling. Cops call it presents presence you know and it's it's actually a lot of the ways i've gotten into fights because it's just like. I don't particularly want to fight but if you wanna fight that's you know i may get my ass kicked but let's just get it over with. I got stuff to do and that's i totally think it is. I've h- remember working at what <hes> the big box store used to work out a while ago and it it was one of these super crazy holiday you know weekends and i'm dealing with a bunch of nimrods and my coupla coworker said majid you see the look you gave with the customers like what do you mean. They literally just walked pat. They turned around and walked the other direction. What was i look like. I don't know it's like pay. You should tell me reproduce it get more done. That's kind of where i'm at too. It's like if i actually knew you know like at a picture or sub shit of the look on my face i made this guy really decided that it wasn't as best idea to come after me because i wasn't movement. I just kind of looked at him like i didn't say anything to you and he brought his decision now. I don't know ryan all quiet over there dealing to himself. I was looking at this story yeah so i mean yeah y- i randomly homeless peoples. Both i mean well around here. It's a little easier to walk happy. Yeah you know <hes> the last time that happened that i think i was at a seven eleven and i was already ready at my car and you know i was like i don't have any money what's up in the car and <hes> didn't getting a car and as i look up he's coming at me like okay. Well ran away with my company. Encargado kick my car so i just dump down to the driveway a little bit but i just well up here. You don't get too many any of that. Just because it's you don't get it. I guess you like james is experienced from from my experience. You don't get a lot of because it's kind of a rural area so it's one of those things things that you'll get a couple of your usually two types of people. You're the get the people who are getting or you or the person who's gonna punch. You and it's <music>. Am i wrong. There's some type of people think he was expecting me to be like oh. I'm sorry guy instead of being like. Did i say anything to you and that's i. I mean that might have been at that. I wasn't intimidated by because he was literally flannel in his hands and flamboyant flailing his hands and trying trying to step out me and i'm not going anywhere dude. That's gotta be. It's gotta be the fact that you turn and say come on i. It's tough to do a little time to waste on on your ass but if you're gonna come over here i'll put you down on it i had to be you know i mean that's kind of where it was and and not to say there's a guy could beat my ass too but i'm just like my balance is better than this guy so you know i you know i could drop. You real fast. That's i i would love to see that fight. You know imagine a ring announcer. Michael buffer the battle of the handicapped in this corner. I refer to him as hobble along along these days but you know i guess his name is randy anyways but my boss is literally like 'cause i was like i said a bring the chairs in brought the terrorism like this city just trying try to step at me and they're like what the boss come dose like. I wanted to see that want to see but okay. It would have been awfully fast. Yeah yeah i don't. I don't really get that. I mean the only thing about the homeless around here and i don't know about everything else everywhere everywhere else but homeless round here are super super destructive yeah and and they're super destructive and they litter everywhere and it's just it's amazing like some at least people are like five steps trash can and live thrown on the ground. It's are you there ryan burrow from and it's just it's amazing how destructive and horrible some of these homeless people are in. I look i totally i totally feel for the homeless people but you you gotta police your own now. It's just 'cause there's and they're discussing. I've heard in areas of los angeles that they found to burke yellow. Sus high-level rome sure higher levels to perk to burke yellow sus the bonnet bubonic plague. What was that yeah then. All all sorts of horrible like even mid late mediaeval diseases in their own arise because the people aren't just the disposing of their excrement correctly lead there. There's no any sort of like cleanliness because believe it or not you want to know how the middle ages and how we got rid of some of these diseases. They figured out how to be cleaner. <hes> one of the ways ways actually there was less fatality. If i remember the story correctly <hes> and surgeries as doctors realize they had to wash their hands because some doctors never would there's a story of a doctor dr who would never wash his hands and always used to lose patience. I believe it and it just before jerry there. I don't know i i feel sorry for homeless people but i don't know what you do with it. I mean i always thought i know we talked about this before but i always said if you open up a place that camarillo kasama the some of the prison population is people who need mental health or just need more stronger environment. They need an environment that will help them grow because some people need that all right but they have to want. It is my thinking you know like people that are just perfectly content with being homeless almost then. There's some that want to be out of it. What i'm saying is some of these people. I don't think they know what they want. I don't think they're capable of having the coherent thought enough now that could be because of drugs drugs or that could be because they always were. I don't remember the term is it mentally handicapped. They always had that issue and for some reason the the society or the or the system fell them. There's that population there's other population who just made them stupid by the amount of drugs they've done and they need an environment where they can excel which may be some sort of incarceration. I don't know about incarceration in a mental institution or when when there's like like a like a like a stronger halfway house type of environment okay yeah i mean they're obviously a lot of braver that are that are doing all they can doctor could go down there on their own dime blazes shelters obviously that open up things like that <hes> bye bye into a lot of people who you can you know who don't necessarily want the help or don't want you to to help you and it's it's a lot of fragmented sort of help going on you know not of the sort of collective group the people that are all trying to handle the problem but <hes> yeah. I mean any any big city of san francisco's got wayward in los angeles. Yes yeah i mean. They have the petrol going on so i so i don't know i don't know i. I don't know how you you end up stopping opping and there's a lot of that conversation going on now. I know people talk about angeles or san diego. I don't remember which city city was talking about increasing spending on housing being an homeless population i mean the end. I don't know really know how you fix it because it also i think just kind of off the top of my head. I think maybe it's the way like with violence. Think with all the gun stuff that happening. Maybe society for the gun stuff because i've said maybe society just can't have guns. Maybe this is the thing where society is having the issue where people aren't able to pick themselves up anymore. Now you could say maybe that's because you know. The housing is expensive you. There's there's no really good jobs anymore. That are minimum wage because minimum wage is so high that nobody hires. Maybe it's just a a a snowball effect of bunch of bullshit but you know there's gotta be something that they can do but i don't know i think <hes> you lazy people being lazy. I think that does have a part of it. I am not saying hang all homeless. People are like that but there are a great number that do seem kinda like they're just content with it. So some of it's like you said mental health but i i also think quite a bit of it is drugs as well and there's no real easy solution for it. You know so it would be like a multiple it would would be just urban campers it would be drug addicts and it would be the the people who have mental health issues and the people who wanna get out but the system or for some reason. They're just having that that that issue getting over the hump because i have to admit that i that that i hop like if your home listen listen you get a job say walmart walmart doesn't at least in california. I don't know about the rest of the united states. Walmart won't pay you enough for the hump to get your own place. Waist now might be able to get you a place the roommate but the question is can you trust the roommate. Is it sketchy you may have that issue getting over the initial getting out of the homeless us because i've heard i've heard that's really hard that initial over the hump of heard once you make it over the hump. I heard it's a lot easier. I believe it but yeah and i i don't know there are a lot of programs in churches that are willing to help homeless as well to get get over that hump like you said but i don't know you'd like a marketing issue going on here. This is something we provide for are you. If you wanna do it but i would also say that. Even the government has things like that so this is is this is a guest in this is super judgmental so excuse me if that happens to be a trigger point that it's probably just people who just rather suck off the system and if that's it's your particular proclivity and all i i can't blame you because i'll be honest you know working forty plus hours a week only getting to see my wife and kids for so many hours a day i now i i understand the idea of it i really do i understand the idea of hey why do anything when i can live in a little worse of an area or you know a little worse of environment but i get to do whatever i want. I get to see my family whenever i want. I couldn't do that just because the way i was raised but that's the only thing i can think of. It's just people who prefer to be more free and maybe this would be an excuse me the the equivalent of like the wild west now the wild if you listen any sort of fifties sixties forties like wild west stories. There's always the drifter more modern stories. It was the person writing the rails else so maybe that would be the modern day equivalent of the person who would just be on the horse and drift in drift out pick a couple of days worth of work and then keep moving on. I mean maybe that's that's the equivalent of it 'cause society's always had that at least western society has always had that alabama element of travelers but maybe today society. It's not as easy or it's not expensive or there's no way to hop a rail if that's still a thing i'm sure some people he'll still do. We still have trains profitable to do that i. I don't think we're talking about your your africo rambling man. I mean no i mean i think it's more drugs i mean at least in california and what i think it is in california decriminalized a lot the marijuana i never had an issue with but but i think part of it this is yeah. I think this is part of the other thing is in california to in order to be really arrested anything. A felony has nine hundred and ninety dollars which means that's non stackable which means somebody can still nine hundred dollars a day and it's still a misdemeanor. It's basically a hand stamp. Get lost and maybe that's some of it may be these people are criminal offenders and what you may i mean. This is just a thought its effect. Maybe these people are just criminal offenders owners who haven't been thrown in jail. You could make the argument do they belong in jail or not but maybe that's another part of it string them up by their thumbs mussalini style. What do you think could that be an issue. I think that i'd i don't know if i'd say another issue. Just says stacking upon the same issue because you know there's a grocery store around here that i talked to a couple of years ago and they no longer have those automated <hes>. Was it the self checkouts at certain tonight because i think they were having like thirty grand with a month and that's insane yeah for even a even a big box store. Thirty grand plus is a lot of shrink yeah. It is yeah i mean there's we wanna have a society that tells the truth but we don't have that sadly now i i've always grown up within you know people talk about the good old days in in the good old days usually when people talk about or anywhere between in the thirties sixties and my always question with that is what do they mean by the good old days because in some sense it was the fact that you know it was the pick yourself by up your own bootstraps you know don't take from society some of that i agree with not all of it or not to the extent they might have done in the fifties but anytime i talked to somebody about that i mentioned you know you know the fifties. Everybody says you know had this romanticized version of fifties when there was the korean war forties parties was world war two you know the thirties was the great depression so you have all these days and you know maybe that that's also part of the issue. I think it was the good old days because you just walk into the supermarket with a quarter. Come out with a loaf of bread chunk cheese peanut butter meath beats and security cameras back then <hes> yeah that's true but i only that's the good old days. I just think it's that the it's it's remembering fondly their childhood yeah. Everybody has a romanticized view of things that that's pretty much. What would it tends to be. He is is being you know now. Exactly remember very earning things like right after right after world war two. I mean everybody four years literally retool the fucking manufacturing in the whole country to to try to help win a war who everyone was a little a little high up on their on their on their clout at the everybody for this common goal ever. Everyone is feeling you better not to mention your average. Communities not crazy big. You know like drew billion less people in the row you there. Your average community was a couple hundred people. Ryan has a wearable the world so is it easier to be happy as you're beat a beaver cleaver so i so i think ryan actually might hit the nail on the head or the head on the nail a bit. It is the fact that maybe there's more social isolation far. She got the internet which is a great way to feel like you're talking with people but not have community <hes> <hes> you i mean maybe that's something we part of it i think is i know we've talked about this before. Is everybody went to church now. They wouldn't necessarily believe leave it maybe but they they went to church so you had social interaction at least on somewhat of more of a basis that wasn't work because you know worked. Friendships are generally not friendships there the you all just happened to be at the same place the same time. You have some sort of common community. Which is you all work together together more like a sibling because you're stuck with each other exactly so maybe that's maybe that's another thing the fact that in modern era especially with how how extreme and politicized everything is maybe that's part of it because nowadays you're not a person. You're a democrat or your republican. I mean it's i don't remember it being this bad when i was a kid. When you heard people talk to each other like you listen to podcasters or people i know in person like oh that person's just a democrat fucked. It's like whoa hold on time out. Have you talked to the dude. Well fuck am. He's a racist. The dudes jewish like sir john or i just you know it's it's so it's so blatantly judge mental. Maybe that's another part of the homeless and maybe just also the gun conversation. Maybe we just have a society that needs to blow the whistle. Say hold on timeout. Here's the issues because i i think that maybe that's it. What do you think james i think so i think that has some effect on and how we treat one another. I mean it really kind of you know we want. We keep putting everybody in the box when honestly not everybody fits in that at little box that we want to put him in so i guess it goes back to the horrible. Cliche is labels are for jars. You know you know who i felt. <hes> nailed with this subject but that's fucking south park. Now we know damn. They nailed so many of these subjects the best but i don't know if you remember this episode <hes> it was when cartman rose himself as he could not dan waiting like the three i mean came out and he goes correct himself for like a thousand years. Shit now any wakes up when otters <hes> had taken over the world and they had abolish religion and everyone was eight you know and they were at war with the other atheist i in the end. It turned out that they were war moreover. What the atheist groups should be called man i did it in regards to religion and then and the debate between atheism and religion and it's like we didn't have this to argue about we would find something else yeah because both side like the fucking pope god damn fair eric yeah exactly and you know they do in another episode to and that's where they have the mormons ends in there and it's but you know it shows that you know there are people to write. Was it a stand that went over to the mormon. Towns started playing the games with them. I think so yeah yeah anyways but you know it's really nice because yeah we we really do look at people that are muslim that are mormon that are <hes> seventh day adventist and we're just like as a predominantly christian society that we live in which is still kind of predominantly christian no matter what we look at it but they all look at these other religious. Oh you have it all wrong. You're an idiot and all that stuff but the south park episode of that really show that you know just because they're mormon or muslim. There's good and bad of each one. I think the the one thing that i think we lost as a culture thursday ability to sit down. One of the reasons of a giant fan of apologetic is the fact that if you find the right apologised in a forest like the christian apologists logistics you actually get them. You can hear people sit down and have conversation of why like ravi zachariah my all time favorite apologised. He'll sit down and say this is why i i think that christ is the only the only and true god and then people come up and ask questions. It's a give and take of of of a great conversation. He did a conversation with a guy who has hindu and he was east indian grab. It was an amazing conversation and so i think that's another thing we miss is a society is is the sit down and talk now. I i have friends who i jokingly say. They're left pol pot. Some actually might be but i have friends who i talked to him about things and i'll make a joke and they flip the hell out and it's just for making a joke and they assume things about me and it's like hold on. There's a joke here the reason so one of the things that happened was i made a joke that i wish young girls wouldn't wear shorts that stop that their naval who wishes shirts. It's a joke but it seems to be true. I've seen younger and younger girls where where where shorts that don't cover their vaginas almost and it's an is a parent i keep thinking why would anybody do with that. Besides the fact it looks fucking cold so i hate that because personally to me. It seems like you're sexualizing ising a child granted. Her comment was correct like you can't blame what she's wearing. You know on somebody else's actions. If that makes sense sense yeah which is true. I mean all because some guy reacts poorly to what she's wearing. It's not her fault but i i do think it's the society level of something okay. So what i've i wouldn't say this is recent but what i've come to realize about our society and most of it actually would say is the fault of social media it is we don't have the ability to listen to other people anymore midnight because oman because we all all have an opinion and instead of reading somebody's if it's on social media or listening to somebody's opinion and trying to understand it we all bombarded with our own damn opinion as if ours is completely better than theirs now granted that can happen. I would say it doesn't don't happen as often as we pretend but we don't read things in trying to comprehend where somebody else is coming from is it goes back to the old. Adage of opinions are like assholes. Not everybody wants to hear yours. I think <hes> and it also comes down to you. Don't have the nec as you listen to. Everybody's opinion exactly you're trying to espouse your own and move along to the next person you try to convince because it's all done our social media if anybody bothered to talk to their friends or their family and have like like what might be considered controversial discussions with with people that they love i mean i'm sure as you can probably be breezy with people <hes> then we i mean you. Can you talk about those things. That's what he used to be. You talk to the good friends and have differences of opinion and it never got crazy because you bothered you learn their opinions because you cared enough to spend that now talk to them and have given a which you don't you just don't have time to do because you have another four comments to look at an enraged again. Okay two things things one. I i think part of it is the internet is a really bad. Text is a really bad medium for her. Conveying jokes like my joke really was just for argument's yeah i mean because it really was a joke and it was a joke out on my concern for young girls dell's worrying stuff. That's too revealing or too short and that's that's my opinion. I just made his on light hearted joke and if somebody wanted to hey man. I don't see anything wrong with it. You could have let it pass. It really wasn't that big of a joke was actually considering deleting it. Even though a lot of lady friends i have actually agreed with it. I even made a joke about guy i <hes>. I said hey guys. Nobody wants to see your you without your shirt on especially if you look chewbacca going on a holiday so it was kind of an equal equal opportunity offense there and the other thing i think is god. It was <hes> <hes> like everybody's outraged you know and then nobody has the time to sit like ryan. Both says nobody sits down and i love talking about controversial topics with people i don't know because one waste is believe it or not i know pretty much most of my friends opinions on things just from being friends with them so long so like strangers especially strangers that excuse if you excuse in the way of putting it you who different tent than i am like you talked to a black dude or black woman about something because their life experiences are different than mine so i love having having controversial conversations because it's a way for me to gleam knowledge that i would've never gleamed before <hes> like one of the things i thought was pretty i opening. I mean i kind of thought about it but i never heard it. Put that way was a wrestler by the name cody rhodes his his wife is african american and he told her at one point in time hey honey. I don't see color and apparently she popped on. It just went off on him so that's bullshit because that's not what i've experienced so basically. She told him like you know. You have to see color because people see me. I'm like that's a great way to put it then. That would have been a controversial controversial conversation in today's society to some degree you know so i miss that i miss the interaction of being the say non p._c. Thinks and maybe it's because i'm from a small town in my small town. Nobody's politically correct. I mean i know a handful of the reason why i think that's important is if nobody's politically correct you don't necessarily get offended unless the person it's how the person says that makes you offended not what they talk about because i've had horrible horrible conversations with strangers where i'm from and never got offended because because i knew where they were coming from and how they were saying it or and that's the that's the benefit of of of the personal interaction and helped helped even more when you when you know the person a little bit because you do know where they're coming from. You already have the context of okay. This person has this opinion might be completely lisi contrary to mind fight. I know where the person's coming from they don't have to explain their history like like i know that this guy grew up appear and then as folks were like this and is upbringing was like this and his job is like this and so i i get how he can come to that a different conclusion the name you know you might already have the requisite knowledge you do agree with your in his shoes you know so. I don't know people aren't willing to the look around online because you don't know that person so a couple of this is what if we had a new social compact a social compact back to pretty much. It's usually stuff that you don't realize that you follow but you do because it's the way society goes is what if we started a new social compact that if if somehow we allowed each other to ask controversial controversial questions on the agreement that we walk away the least agreeing to disagree well and the other thing hold up that is about the comment about young women wearing revealing clothing it really is it really is up to the parent and i don't and i know people saying who have said in the past one have made jokes like that is about you know oh rapists in in very anti women men make comments like that and so what i want to clarify my comment is being you cannot justify anybody's actions because a woman or anybody is wearing any particular clothing. Everybody's actions belong to themselves. I just wanna make that clear because because i don't want people to think oh i i'm sexist or on this on that which i'm not i you know so so when i was going to bring up this chat rooms early on in the internet world. Were basically what you're saying. It was different people coming together either with their own opinions their own thoughts on things now. I'm not saying all of the internet was like this. There were certain forum rooms and <hes> websites that you could do an exchange that with now now now. The thing that we need understand is it was really easy at that time to just find the trolls and destroyed the trolls roles now. We have a facebook twitter. My missing another major once the weirdest thing uh when i was going to bring it back to is that now the internet is so flooded with so many different people who don't give a shit about about having an actual discussion and there's no trees than we can handle as society the thing i was talking about win about. I made the probably poor taste joke about too short clothing was this is not a person not only who i've known for a while but i love the fact that she has a completely -pletely different opinion from and she's actually somebody care about because if you're a friend of mine on facebook your legitimately somebody i know who have had contact with who on some degree i care about you and that's the part that bothered me. The most is it's like dude. You know me i. I'm not the best communicator sometimes things things especially written. Don't say as well as i mean it but think about me and that was the reason i got so ticked off about it was i'm not that i you know i don't really care what you do as a person as long as you held some sort of responsibility. You know no ryan yes. Oh yeah i mean no the the the dressing of young ladies and whatnot i. I think it's more reflected on on on how wealth societies before vast but you can somebody on their clothing. I mean i'd had opinions about shit and then got the know somebody who had a differing opinion and i liked that person or respected that person and in another form and i and it might not obtain my initial opinion but i might have amended it like in future conversations like oh yeah you know. I'm pretty much office but you know. I know there's other i. They say that's not what we're never might. My only opinion unclogging is i just don't like seeing this is my personal opinion so please don't hate <hes> <hes> i just don't like seeing really young girls like you know maybe thirteen or fourteen and lower wearing shorts that are literally their cut an angle. It's basically look like they're wearing underwear. I mean granted swimsuits cover less prepared that bothers me swimsuits giver ever take because it's not something somebody wears constantly but that type of clothing to some degree bothers me granted. I'm i'm from a very conservative background so that could be part of it but and it apart i remember when i was younger. Maybe in my mid twenties a flock of ladies all shivering wearing no okay clothing and i remember busting out laughing and james might have been with me and it's like looks like what are you laughing at their all shivering to all their their legs are blue their lips sir blue in it's not makeup and they're not wearing any clothing. It's the middle of fucking winners. I think that's a little bit of age on us you. You know what i mean like. I literally remember the day. I started like respecting people with a knife law. You know like fucking guys lawrence all these after all the time. It's fucking amazing like i literally had the profit from these fucking grass oh you did. That was a weird weird. I i remembered with light clothing. I don't think there's anything wrong with a little bit of a back. In my day we reid did run around looking like a bunch of you know what i mean. Those sorts of authors find well. Here's here's the issue back in james is day they they did and at the time i was like hey this is cool because you know she bends over. She's not keeping any secrets so there's a little bit for me is becoming the old guy which hey you know i i'll let the old <hes> the old age flag fly that doesn't bother me 'cause totally hit it was i was okay okay with it. We're looking at a society with a shit and peddle bears out there and but that goes talking more like jank does but that goes back to the conversations are bad ass but the conversation at work but that that goes back to the conversation. My friend said and her comment was she. She you know you can't society shouldn't necessarily reflect women can wear which i don't necessarily surly disagree with all because a group of pedophile should any women be limited wearing that at all and that kind of goes back to discussing earlier about accepting different religions and the muslims they have their women covered up basically head to toe because they want to have the man dan sin at lust and you know what my thinking has always been walnut do needs to change his damn. You know change himself rather other than the women fucking you problem guy yeah exactly. You know that that's exactly what it says to me. Is that's so you problems so. It's not like check yourself route yeah so but should we be thinking the same way for young women who were basically wearing thong long thoroughly. No the motivations of the news argued that could be the most self actualize talking on the planet who just decided to fucking wadded up that day exactly that's fantastic hey go for it and i'll tell you one thing. I walk around with my outside all the time. 'cause it i would i would think is a parent and i don't have a little girl laka. I don't have a little girl but by the way if i had a daughter. This is what i would say is. I think there's there's there's an age to entry and i really do. I think once you pass a certain age then maybe you can do this. Won't you pass a certain age. Maybe can do a little listen you. Could it call me. Hey that's unfair. That's that's up but you know what i'm gonna tell you. That's life under my house under my roof. There's hold on hold on. There's there's there's there's there's barriers to entry as you grow older. I'll let go because that's my job as a parent and as a parent ici little girls wearing this clothing and it bothers me and and maybe it shouldn't because their parents is cool with it but on the other hand. I have friends whose parents were okay with them doing hardcore drugs now. It's not the same time but you can do is raise your kids with with you know with a values the you know what i mean so i guess in your view. There's always gonna be some things they could take a while to learn or that. They push back on. Is that a lessons or something like that but <hes> you know there's absolutely nothing wrong with being a parent who you know either says like incredibly inappropriate end you do represent you know often parents who are raising you i. I think there's an opening same thing nothing wrong with with like understand. My daughter says your own purposes predictive array or you know angry and there's much more mature than than if you want for wherever that's going on so the couple of things is i. I think there's some decorum. There's you gotta know the room when the time window where stuff that may or may not be revealing but the other thing thing is one of the things that's always bug me about modern society. Even as a little boy was the fact you watch all this stuff in television and in stuff about women and it's always about looks and even even when they started i remember when i was a kid when they were starting to really push girls power earth thing tried to change the the you know like the jona pussycats yeah or you look at the person actually put josie and the pussycats the cats was the seventies but you know like girls can do normal stuff they can do you know the the raw grow power stuff burnings. The thing that bothered me is the fact that if i have a daughter i wanted to know that she's more than the sum of reports and it's the one thing that's always bothered me. A society is the fact that if the person's like oh. It's just a walking pussy the fuck aaron and i known guys like this and bugs the crap out of me. It always has and that's maybe that's one of the reasons were literally in the in the middle of the shift of about <hes>. There's a ton of like. I mean a lot of the i mean. I'm talking sorry about news or things like that. I mean just not culture has shifted so far into that curriculum. I mean you movies. Literally like like captain. Marvel was a different kind of girl power that i was used to when i was a kid you know indicated kind of pulling all that shit out and saying like a girl or cool. You know what i mean. It wasn't just uh-huh though still you have dumb movies like that fucking attempt attorneys angel worse than anything i i would like like okay. There's this league fees legitimate amazing stories whether or not being treated like when they used to in film and t._v. Danger prone daphne i. I do think though i think you know by the time your kids are getting into that age of of adolescence. They're going to have a lot of a lot more examples weeded and the other thing is the fact that i think what they're also have to do is elevate the conversation about men because for a long time for the last twenty years men have i've been the comic full you have either the mean why for the smart wife and the husband's always dumb lazy. That's been calm. That's in commercials that's in common television and and i think that's something else that they're going to have to change is the fact and i do think this because if you look at the rates of men in college and like many it kind of dropping out of society and i think that's the other thing is men are having a hard time adjusting because if you look at television you had my three sons. The dad had an important roll the mom not so much but that was the era that was literally the zeitgeist of the time. I think what you have to do. Is you have to figure out how to elevate the conversation for both genders and i think one of the issues that i see is it's all about women not so much about men and then you hear people say or men can be feminists in my a comment about that has always been. I'm aiming for egalitarian because feminism in my opinion especially the third or fourth wave feminism. I think doesn't so much help the conversation so i think what you wanna do somehow make everybody equal or realize at least in in media. <hes> in television is the fact. This is the type of role. You cannot get mad if it's elevating the man is the main character is the strong point of this story story and the woman is not because that's the way society runs children. Yeah i think you gotta be well. Look i got really not not that much of a problem at all with the <hes> like portraying do as dumb and t._v. or movies because one. It's not gonna last that long. It'll it'll be trump impaired. Everybody kind of gets out of there. The nature of everything will it's been last told anyway. It's been for the last twenty years that ends die down little really how how bad are we been fucking. Her india really is not only if you're gonna go that if you if you're gonna go to the route that how bad were they hurt then <hes> then that we you know i. I don't think that's a fair argument. I i really don't because i don't think it damaging to society or has any connotations aside from from a little bit of very well yes but i think the way that sounds like the conversation going so women have been this for hundreds of years. Men can deal with twenty years or blah blah. Let's see that's the problem to me is the fact. I don't think you can go down that road because i think you're gonna cause more problems down the road. I think what you gotta do is realize okay. We had an issue with this. That's forget about at that. Let's move forward. How do we elevate both if you're gonna go back and compare apples to oranges then you have the old convert then you have. Just you know the circle jerk yeah. This is my point is what are we talking about. We're talking about just like t._v. And movies society well for trading t._v. And movies movies and by no stretch is majority and all movies are obtained that that's one thing but it's no reflection of the actual piety sell i would i i would say it's a little bit of both because if you look at what movies are coming out the day that's generally the movies affliction of the time period one of the reasons you got no i. I think that also a little bit of wishful thinking you know what i mean like like. It's not that way but it would be nice if people talking that way. I think you're the high think it's that way now more than it than it ever. Has i mean if you look at like the last president election. I mean whether you like hillary clinton or not. We almost had a woman president it will we've having women in power for in more positions now than ever realistic nanometer it would take a long time and a lot out of those they get back. Fifty fifty see the other thing the other thing. I don't understand the one hundred percent and this is also the the the conversation point. Is that what a lot of women want. We could be at parody at just the fact that how many women want this so the the best argument i could say this is one one of the reasons why they did. They stay historically. Women don't make more money than men because women have different priorities now. It's not all women but i know a lot of women that have chosen jobs that pay less for the flexibility of time versus. Historically men have always had to make more money so they work. They work more hours. They don't usually take vacations. You know so that's the primary motivation also known the roles being reverse. I've no men who've been insane. How parents and the guy's wife is never home. <hes> but there's also that is yeah. I think these days at all that that's all gotten pretty the as far as easy how the help hold kind of work thing. It's like okay well. Who has the better god will you. You're a better job than i do. I'm gonna say on it yeah. I don't think there's too much of a discover behind. Well listen. I'm the i'm the man and i think you need to quit your job. Even though you make more money now now i i would say that was up to the woman to be honest because i know women who who would even if they make more money would gladly hand over the reigns now. I think most people are more economically minded than if a guy was making twenty grand a year and some chick was making one hundred thousand dollars a year i don't i don't think most would make that decision asian but i swear i've known people who have done that now. I don't know if it would be the smartest decision. No comment because i mean i don't know 'cause i know. I know more women who who want what who their goal in life was to be state homes. I know quite a number of women like to that's. That's all they've ever talked about. You know i wanna be a stone home parent and some some of them have gotten the opportunity to do so and there's happy as clams whoever also known women that who kind of think being stained home parent would be entrapment so sure so i mean. I guess you know the old joke. Was you know nobody's the same but i i don't know i think i think we gotta figure out how how to as a society and i think this about conversations politics in general we have to learn how to forgive we live in a culture that holds grievances is to a higher level of grievance than ever before and this could be stuff that like joe biden save joe biden said the n. word in nineteen forty two. Somebody's he's going to bring it up on a press conference and it's going to kill his career and it's like i think at some point and i i get it. The n. word has a lot more history attached to it and i don't blaming people for being upset about it but we have to learn to forgive and i think that's the one thing this culture doesn't know how to do and i'm guilty as is it. Anybody is if you learn how to say okay. This is bullshit. Let's try to move on bullshit on everything. That's that's take every league every case for itself. You know i've always believed in ed. I mean more or less no matter what they're there should always be a path to redemption. I'm just being in in in some fashion or another <hes> when it comes to political figures doing something. Let's say like that for example then. That's fine epi anybody buddy in the in the in the mid eighties. You know whatever it's like. Okay great. You know what one you know. We'll we'll forgive you with okay. It happened in the past but you know we've got. It's not like he's the only opt there should be better. People out there a blind from the bucket job yeah well. I know that that shouldn't be like like being like okay whether it took a long time to realize that you were wrong about that or not like okay still give me the guy who never thought that the guy who was talking raised better than that where where it here's here's the here's the problem with that and the the the problem being is the fact today's normalcy tomorrows bad word. You give it twenty years in something that was society society. Okay will not be so basically. That's that's fuck you. That's that's that's leaving a lot of gray area area where there is no redemption when if you know say for some reason saying i dunno say the word sassafras is a bad word twenty years from now and and the show right so i mean that's the that's the fact it's the old batman line. You know see see yourself. What was it either become. The heroes live long enough to see yourself become the villain it and that's that's one hundred percent. What is in cold well no but that line in my example is the fact that people aren't a they're not knowledgeable about the air where that was said. What was the context of said. Did he believe that when any said instead people are making broad generalizations about people without knowing more of the story and we live in a cell by. I'm talking about i i wasn't i wasn't talking about we. That was the only thing we heard it was a quick down by the only word it's just his voice. No like we have like a context that did like okay. This person what i'm saying the kid back in the day what i'm saying say take david duke who's not a particularly lovely individual who's not but he was a member of the klu klux klan and say and say nobody really knew that you know this is this is this is what if say if nobody knew that and everybody loved them and then it turned out they found pitcher of a hut in a hood burning across but it was a really good guy and he came out with an explanation going. You know that was where i grew grew up. That was what did i've changed my views. I will prove it to you by my actions and then everybody said okay running for political go off and we'll see if he is the issue what they need then get me the guy who were not ever in the clan so even if if he is the best person for her and find your even if he is the best person for the job. Are you gonna be. I mean come on well. No see i don't seem hypotheticals but if he's the best person the job even though he whole he held so he you know he'd controversial views would you what can we agree that politics. These days is a is a is a popularity rate. Nobody's looking at politics or policies and things that people or they'll hear a couple of call the other day collectively everybody at the same time for say oh fuck. I didn't know what it's about this guy. Maybe i was wrong. Maybe i picked the the other guy because he wasn't based on merit for his job in the first place. Why just walked a if everybody basically paying attention the policy there was no way in the fuck trump would've ever gotten elected trump was giant fuck you to the system but i'm just saying you did you get a couple of people we can say that generally most people whether you would agree with them or not qualified to do the job of the of the office two pieces one side or another. I don't really know if anybody's ladies qualified to do the job of president to be honest thing you know qualified or not but there to do the job and and are smart enough to elite. They've got the position waco together qualified <hes> i think i hold on. I think what we're doing is. I think we're trying to elect people that don't exist and what i mean by. That is a fact that if there's this is just a a like an alga mation of the people that do well yeah but but here's the one guy that was in the clan or one guy one guy that wasn't one side wanted this guy the other guy the rest of it's just kind of eat all down the middle. I'll give you the guy that wasn't in the. I don't think i'm taking a hard fan song from virtually no no my my question would be. I guess in theory is who is it's really better for. The job is and i and i'm not stating this as a yes. What's that well yeah. No it looked yes but no you're right but here's my thought i i i wanna say is. I'm not defending. The klan is especially. Somebody who is jewish but what i'm saying is in napa victor. You can deserve redemption. Yes and i'm thinking if they do because not four back particular progressive any locker in politics ragging on your policy maker. Let's so so basically basically their their past and this is a question it so their past defines them so much. They're limited. You basically rancher. I wouldn't give a shit. Well not talking about politics. That'll be going to run government and put policies that most people walking a look at so basically what i'm saying is a social felon so because of davis pass because of what he did. He's barred from this because of the politics socially far as you know office stuff like that. That's what i'm saying so basically he's as a a social a social felon. He's what he can do is limited because of his chosen actions in the past. There's no redemption in certain parts of society for for that is that is that what we're saying because my point is that there's just from a citizen has sort of a point. There's somebody who can also do that job who wasn't morally ambiguous back the day now here. Here's here's the thing i've got to say. I'm not besides the fact of being of jewish heritage. I'm not of any sort of class. It's ever really dealt with any major sense of of racism so i gotta say my social context is a little bit different. Everybody's in by the way if you're out there. Tell me what you think. I'm curious what y'all think about the idea of redemption and forgiveness and somebody who was say a clan member or say a hardcore racist on either side of the fence or any color creed item actually disagree with with with ryan on that. I think if you're a member of the clan you might depending on what you did. It's like being you know. You're guilty by association. My past you know being the child. I was guilty by association because my friends james so so my only worry and this is this is coming from somebody. Who's a christian is afraid. It's some point. It's going to be so many qualifications for forgiveness business that you're going to the person's going to be hollow. It's gonna be like the movie was with. What was it so sandra bullock i eight. I forget it you. You're gonna live in in such fake world where everybody pretends to be this way but nobody is that way and that's the thing that scares me. There's not nobody's going to be real real and i don't want that. I want the person who's who's who's maybe not have the cleanest background but they but they really wanted the redemption redemption. That's that's my major concern and and i think we society gin gin gin recognize the you you know the individual case on those sorts of <hes> i think the the the the sort of meeting scare where everything is kind of become taboo even even if you say sort of an off color joke with being lab like like the n. word or something incredibly inflammatory <hes> but you know like okay. Maybe that was bad timing. You know something like that. I think all that's gonna get a sorta die off and people are going to swing back to a more reasonable albany state the only thing i <hes> yeah i think i think those individual cases more or less reasonable. People can figure out the problem is that nobody ever hears from the reasonable people. You know they'd be extreme. Sides of everything have the loudest voice. Definitely that's for sure. I mean the only thing i want is. I want the ability to ask questions that maybe are uncomfortable because i miss having conversations with that. I've sat down with people. I wish i remembered the old dudes name because this was fucking years ago. I sat down with an all black dude and just ask them. Hey have you ever been called the n. Word what what was your experience with racism and because i would have it's not something that's really in my world view has a i don't pay attention to a lot of things like that unless the person is super blamed unless the person is super in my face and say hey f you why i don't know if i notice because i'm i i'm on. I'm an eight a. b. I'm focusing focusing if i'm at beam focus is on getting to a so it would have to be something that was totally obvious to me and so i would have never known that or asking asking <hes> i i had a conversation with asian gentleman at one point in time and said so does everyone expect you to excel like the stereotypical <hes> because a super stereotypical stereotypical but i've heard from people who are asian that their parents expect that and there's this high expectation of education so i love asking questions is it may not be comfortable because it's how i learned it's how james learns and ryan learns and in today's society asking questions like that is not nobody necessarily likes it and by the way it's the same thing on the other side. If you've got a guy who hates gay people and you say how would love to know what a gay person thinks about this. They'd fucking rally alley against you because hey you know blah blah gay people you know so both sides of the fence or against it and i think both sides of the fence need to realize hey the only way you're gonna fuck learn by. I talking if you hate gay people. The only way you're gonna learn about him is just asking fucking questions. Yeah you have to get over your own prejudices. Everybody has them no matter. What side of the offense you on your on. If you say fuck this person that's a prejudice or you could be against conservatives. You gotta hold your breath and say okay. Why do i hate this person okay so this person says i hate conservatives because they're antiabortion well. What's their opinion on it. Where do you meet in the middle. You know so you have to understand more of the argument and in the end realize hey. It's a fucking person. You know. That's that's meet in the middle and say well fuck you fuck you. We can agree to disagree and i think we're missing. That parson decided 'cause. I really wanna reasons my friend who politically i mean. I don't think we agree on anything except maybe the color of the sky and i love this person jason just because the fact that she's willing to go toe to toe from you know and i like that. I like the fact that she's there's no conversation conversation points that are really for forbidden yeah. I think that's the great thing to have somebody that you can do that with but i would say. That's not the norm in our society anymore. Because everybody has seven opinion. Everybody wants to be offended by some but thanks so they can justify their opinion was ever though i mean i'm we're kind of in a little monoculture being in the middle of nowhere but was was. Is that always the case. I think it always was <hes> look it. The jews were slaves. There was a prejudice with that because they should be subservient to the jeff sessions <hes> we had black slaves because they're prejudiced in that and the fact that they not the black people but they believe that the blackpool <unk> inferior race even the japanese were the same thing towards the chinese the russians towards the jews and then in our own society with the glass ceiling prejudice prejudice against women there was <hes> women who didn't want to hear the opinion of a man because they could not in their opinion a man could never relate to the struggle moment and that's just the way it is. It's the same thing with <hes> the the black rate. I don't wanna say race but you know the the the slaves that we used to have are coming out and saying that we don't care what white man says because he was never save he can't relate to are are suffering. You know that's kind of where it same with the indians indians were racist against white white people were racist against them and blacks and blacks because they wouldn't know the struggle of what the indians were put through. They also believed that we didn't respect their society which we they were basically not respecting. Their society is a nation for a long time. That's just the way it is. It's always been that way and there's always been a struggle for a for people with an open mind and tell other people now go and spend some time with them. Try to understand them. They're not you know irish. Even the i had this. I've got a i've got a co worker who refuses to sort of intellectually feed something the thing from another pertinent point of view you forty times. It's it's called yeah. Well whatever the boss and it and it is. I don't know he added to me. It's always he's been beneficial to look at something from another side i mean like and and and like i mean look magazine collectively exactly what it's like but you know like oh fuck what what was that have been like you know is a thought. I constantly have right example. What was it have been like like my hi my <hes>. If i have my folks okay hey what about my grandparents in and whatever their parents from in in all that's cool okay so we're we're what what the history of that okay the family name and they'll look at from from from england then they immigrated ireland and came over here and then the other side came from here and and all these things what would it be like is like well pastor grandfather. They were playing and then before that plays and then before that playing <hes>. Let's see before that lays. The athletes like that's gotta be a weird family history. You know what i mean to like. Oh that's where that stops my grandparents no. You're you're. You're totally right. I mean that would be a mind fuck but all of animosity like you know the the sort of cultural at this point no i don't. I don't disagree in this is this is i think and i don't know how you do this so please forgive me if this upsets. You is the fact that how do you where's forgiveness nece and at this point it's not necessarily you're not necessarily forgiving somebody but it's forgiveness. It's internal forgiveness. It's how do you how do you let it go because i don't know and i'll let it go. I don't know if there's forgiveness but maybe just like like all right moving on why i think it's i think at some level well you'd have to forgive. I guess it'd be forgiving yourself for you know or something. Just you got to say. I need to let go and by the way that everybody has to work on. There's the shit in my life that i need to say okay. I just need to forgive this person whether it's my fault and their fault is fucking medico. I just think there's shades of society that in all colors. There's all areas the knife that we just need to. I think ryan put it. Best is the fact that we need the redemption shen story we need to have avenues in life where people can try to better themselves instead of being held back by past deeds and i think that that reaches all colors all creeds all faiths. Is you need to help. People be better. I think the the only issue. It's going to be as what's sure idea of better. Is it just having a healthy society is having somebody who's seeking to be an active healthy member society or is this somebody who who has to constantly genuflect on arizona's ways because that's not healthy either. You can't have somebody who's seeking forgiveness but always beating themselves up for their pass wrongs. You're going to destroy somebody for that so where is the middle of genuflecting on on on on the grave of his sins and trying to become a better person yeah. I was gonna say there's really no. There's really no answer to that one john. I mean no. There's not and that's that's kind of because we're actually over time that was wanted to end this episode with is where is forgiveness if and i'm putting this out to you if anybody's here's this this whether it's you know today or ten years from today is where is forgiveness for your enemy and i know it's not easy if it's if you're an african american eric and fellow and you're mad at the white dude for calling you and enter or if you're a gay dude and the straight bigots said something or or vice versa whereas forgiveness there and it's something i think that we all need we need to be and it's not necessarily forgiving the person it's leading you. Forgive yourself for whatever you didn't do. If you didn't stand up for yourself and you feel angry you need to forgive yourself for at that time not reacting whatever and i think that's something we need and for me. I think it's something that the the word of god says is about forgiveness and i don't know how you do it. I have no fucking clue. I mean i have my biases in my prejudices and none of them are are are pads but everybody does no matter the creed color. You have biases. You have prejudices. This is it's in baked. Yeah <hes> the only thing i can say. Is you know if there's ever something james minor. I said that offended you. Please forgive it's always been in the name of having a conversation of trying to spark a conversation and that's what this show that's real. Flicks reviews was always about is getting people to have a conversation to generate opinions and to better each other. I think what john's trying to say. He's as one could be my neighbor. Hey i agree. I hunted percent agree. Do you have any any kind of be basically covered all of them. In in my logic i think the whole you know i think when does forgiveness when is is that appropriate is gonna go wait ended on it in my long winded fashion fucking james summit up half hour with the conversation so lazing gentleman elleman for the california pariah for the fatman and by while ryan preston something. Something bitch arrested as easy. Thank you for listening all right. I've got that came out of the fifteen minutes the by.

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"Are you hiring with indeed you can post job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash Nightline. That's indeed dot com slash Nightline. Here is the cauti- hoping black. Combined of a poke a goal or something. So I could kill them all out now from actor lean since comments about race. Sometimes just scratched the surface and you discovered this racist. Facing a firestorm over that racist. I'm not either of the people in that photo shoot new swipes at one of America's oldest wounds for junior governor Ralph north in the actor leeann what they said and did and what it says about all of us and race and can or should pass sins be forgiven. The structure of way allowed some of these racist practices to thrive in exists is still needs to be broken down. So we sat down without leaders to examine how the nation is once again, confronting racism, and what this uncomfortable conversation means for our future. If there's any value in these recent conversations around race, it's that we're starting to get a window into the thought processes of people who are still wrestling with the contradictions of racism, the recent slate of scandals began of all days on the first day of black history month when this photo surfaced from Virginia governor routh northbound's medical school yearbook showing one man in. In black face and the other dressed as a member of the klu Klux Klan, north once viewed as a rising star in the Democratic Party. Somebody that you will be proud to have as your governor. Now mired in controversy after he first admitted he was one of the two people picture that photo and the racist and offensive attitude represents does not reflect that person. I am today. I'm deeply sorry. But the next day he denied it. It's not me. Now, more than a dozen prominent leaders from north own party have called for him to step down the previous governor in Virginia. A democrat said north must go. There is no way you can continue to be the governor of the Commonwealth Virginia though. North of now denies that. He is in that photo. He says he has appeared in black face before that same year. I did participate in a dance contest in San Antonio in which I darkened my face as part of a Michael Jackson costume. I used us a little bit of shoe polish to put under my all, my cheeks, and the reason I used a very little bit is because I don't know if anybody's ever tried that, but you cannot get shoe polish off he now says he regrets that cost. Do I look back now and regret that I did not understand the harmful legacy of an action. Like that the offensive part about governor northern dressing up like Michael Jackson, isn't the dressing. And it's not the impersonation it's the shoe polish that he put on his face while doing it. He dressed in black face. Marc Lamont professor at temple university says northern is missing the point. There's a long history of white racist public culture that uses black face as a way to demean and marginalized and ultimately erase lack citizens of America Jamila meal, and you're based columnists believes Northland betrayed the black voters who helped elect him. This is somebody who would not have been elected without the African American vote north who is ignored. Those mounting calls for his resignation is staying in office. What are the politicians calling for north him to resign is Virginia? Attorney general Mark are herring. Who said it is no longer possible for governor north him to lead our Commonwealth. But just today. Herring was forced to make his own apology when he admitted to dressing up as a rapper wearing Brown makeup on his face during a college party in one thousand nine hundred I am deeply deeply sorry for the pain I caused with this revelation herring wrote in the statement, but he stopped short of resigning writing. Instead that honest conversations and discussions will determine if he remains on the job. I said down with Bob Brown PR firm consultant to fortune five hundred companies and a veteran of the civil rights movement who traveled with an adviser likes of Dr Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela from Sitton to the ugly days of bull Connor in Birmingham. Brown was there tonight. He gave his take on how the country should be responding to governor. Northbound's revelations of past racism, do you think society's making too big a deal about something that happened thirty plus years ago that pink to certain extent, we we are making too big of a deal. Out of some of these what we need to do is how somebody's problems that we have right now means of young black people out there. Don't have any job. In the midst of all this political scandal, accurately and niece and found himself confronted not with racist actions. But thoughts he offered up himself during an interview with the independent about his new film cold pursuit in it Niessen described an incident that happened decades earlier involving a close friend of his who he says was assaulted. I asked. What color? She said it was black person. I've an up and done areas with a cauti- who've been I'd be approved by some I'm ashamed to say. I did it for maybe a week hoping some like. Tonight of pope of a go of me of something. So I could kill the very next day. He sat down with my colleague Robin Roberts to discuss his remarks. We return a press turncoat on it was. The topic of her film is Vange lady. Journalists was asking me, how do you tap into that? In response niece and says he recalled that incident with his friend, and the lust preventions that fueled it really shocked me this primal urge. Shut me on a hurt me. I'm not racist. I I this was nearly forty years ago. What you've had the same reaction, if your friend had said, it was a white, man. Would you wanted to go out? I was trying to. Honor to my stand up for my dear friend, what are you hoping that people will learn from you making these statements to talk to open up to to talk about these things, you know, Jamal hill former ESPN anchor and current writer for the Atlantic. Didn't mince words when discussing Neeson's interview with my colleague, Michael Strahan, any credit be give it to him for saying what he said and then coming on GMA. No. And the reason I don't give him any credit for it. Because I didn't hear an apology yet others praised how Niessen confronted his behavior. I found what he said. Refreshing in a way, and so not PC at a time. When maybe the conversation doesn't need to be PC because he admitted that he had problems he admitted that he had to look at it thoughts that were bad for crisis manager and ABC contributor Howard Bragman says Neeson's should never have even told that story to begin with anytime you get into race and racial issues. I call race the third rail of reputation it's taken down many many careers. It remains to be seen. What will happen with Neeson's career as for governor north them? Bob Brown at age. Eighty three remains hopeful this latest episode more flicker than flashpoint from Jim crow to apartheid. He says forgiveness and faith more to heal old wounds than force or finger-pointing, you go get all the people who had a black faith, and you're going to condemn their whole life on the fact that they had a black face or they did something like that. Then then there's a whole lot of people in the. Cut going to be condemned. The ought to be condemned because they did mitt much worse things in that. Do you just give someone a pass on that? No, they need to they need to fess up. I would tell them. Hey, look say what you gonna do. Let's have a whole series of things that you're going to do to change this country from that kind of thing. It was Bob Brown's friend Nelson Mandela who said if people can learn to hate they can be taught to love is it still a struggle to get that good night's sleep. Then maybe it's time to try the purple mattress. It's made out of a new material that keeps it firm and soft. So it keeps everything supported while. Still feeling really comfortable. Try it now with a one hundred night risk-free trial along with free shipping and returns. And if you order one, you'll get a free purple pillow with the purchase of a mattress just text Nightline two four seven four seven four seven the only way to get this free pillow is detects Nightline two four seven four seven four seven. 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"What We Can Learn from the Movies" - TDS Photo Podcast 676

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"What We Can Learn from the Movies" - TDS Photo Podcast 676

"This is digital story podcast number six seven six February twenty six two thousand nineteen today's theme is but we can learn from the movies. I'm Derek story. Kademi Motion Picture Arts and sciences awarded Oscars in variety of categories on Sunday night aside from the sheer star power on display. There's an amazing amount of artistic risks and rewards that can serve as lessons for our own work in this week show. I present five photography takeaways from favorite movies of two thousand eighteen. So I think it was a pretty good movie year last year two thousand eighteen and there were a number of films that I enjoyed a lot. And when I watch movies, not only do I do so for enjoyment that I do. So to learn from other visual artists, and there are a lot of things that happened on the screen that I can apply to my own work. Now, I'm not going to get in two things today, such as for instance, you know, you can do color grading with your work and using techniques borrowed from the movie such as the orange antique technique and stuff like that. That is good stuff. And I enjoy it. But more what I'm focusing on today are themes, and, you know, not the technical as much as the artistic and the storytelling. And I think the storytelling is really the important thing that I noticed in my favor. It movies from the air. So I'm gonna tackle five of them. And that shouldn't be a shock to many of you. And let's get started. This is fun stuff. I'm really excited about this. Okay. The first movie and this won the Oscar for best picture, and that's green book. It's the story of a road trip through the southern United States at a time of segregation. And I think it's a terrific illustration of juxtaposition together, they overcome their predisposed judgments as they meet challenge after challenge on the road. And you know, in the beginning, I I don't think they really like each other very much at least that was my take when I watched the movie, but they had a mutual goal here. And, you know, a job for one for the driver, and for the other one, you know, protection and to get where he needs to go, and you know. So together, they figured out. All right. I'm going to depend on you. And the other guy says the same thing, and hopefully we can pull this off. So it starts out kind of with that edge. But of course, as the movie progresses, and as a meet their various challenges, they begin to appreciate each other Morris people instead of just a job. Now, the reason why say juxtaposition on this is because there are a lot of layers to this movie. And even though the story is definitely simplified. So that the greater audience can grasp it will enjoy it. And maybe think that, you know, one of the one of the ways to to tell a story to really get people to see, you know, what's going on is the put whatever it is that that you want to highlight against something that really shines a light on it. And a lot of. Times something that really shines a light on something is you know, the opposite. And you know, what I'm thinking here, for instance, as we're thinking about her photography and image of a little old lady helping firemen across the street. So were you take things and you turn them on their head or you take things, and you show, you know, the foil, and that kind of thing, and I think that is something really worth looking for when we're out especially in urban photography. You know, we talk about Jackson position on on a basic level. Like, for instance, you know, the person leaning up against the no loitering sign in. Yeah. You know, I do like those and if I see that. And if it's interesting, I will definitely snap the shutter. But I'm actually talking about something, you know, a little bit a little bit deeper than that. And something that maybe is a little unexpected at first or something that challenges, you know, our preconceived notions. I think green book was effective that way I think is going to end up being one of the more controversial best pictures, although seems like every year. There's some sort of controversy mainly because you know, there's a lot of things swimming around on the edges of that movie. But at its core, I like the vehicle I mean that on many levels that they use to tell the story. And I think it's interesting to think about things like that for photography where we highlight something in the way that we really highlight is by showing something that is a force up against it or show it in a different light the next movie. I wanna talk about is bohemian rhapsody, and you know, this is the story of the rock band Queen and their frontman, Freddie. Mercury. And it's it's a terrific story is probably one of the more popular movies of from two thousand eighteen and I you know, I enjoyed it just for, you know, the the sheer spectacle of the movie, and of course, the. The wonderful personality that that, Freddie. Mercury was both his, you know, bright side and his dark side. He had lots of each, but the lesson, you know, the takeaway for my own art for my own photography in this movie was different and the lesson that I came away with is being true to your vision. And there's this, you know, a great scene in this movie was too great scenes, actually, you know, one scene where the record producer or the record company the label has hired them to make a record. That's going to be popular. Right. To build up on their already successful themes, and their vision was was pointing towards something a bit more creative that more experimental, and basically the producer at the, you know, at the end there says what I'm not going to make this record that you want to make and and you know, after listening to it, and they said, well, we're not going to do something else. So they part ways. And of course, the big line. There is Freddie Mercury. Goes you will forever be known as the man who you know, let Queen get away. And then of course, later on in the movie when they are wildly successful. They show a picture of him in despair as they're just mowing it over at Live Aid. So that was good movie making good storytelling that the thing that happens. There is the thing that we all want to happen. And of course, it doesn't go like that in real life. All the time. In, you know, in terms of wild success, it rarely goes like that. However, the lesson about being true to your vision, even when others discount its merit. I think that it stands re regardless if you become Queen or or not, you know, not every artist who insists on going there their way, we'll enjoy unbridled success, of course. But thing that that person has in common with the person that does have the wild success. Is that satisfaction that they followed their vision in refined it to their best of their ability. And I think at the end of the day, you know, that when we're doing our work when we're creating our images when we're making our movies, if we just say, hey, this is what I love doing. This is what I love to photograph. And you know, I don't care if you know, the mass audience isn't into my subject matter isn't into the way. Hey that I do images. This is what I love to do. Even if you're not wildly successful. And let's be honest. Odds are that you won't be. You're still going to enjoy your art every step of the way as opposed to. And I see people struggle with us all the time trying to create art that will appeal to the critics or appeal to the masses and and lot of times that just doesn't work out. So now, they've sacrifice their soul so to speak and at the same time are not enjoying success either. So you can have at least one part of the equation, which is the part that you're satisfied in that you enjoy. And that you're following you know, your art in your vision. And then you know, we'll see what happens with the second half. It may turn out like Queen probably won't. But nonetheless, what a journey the. The third movie. I wanna talk about is black clansmen. And this is the story of a black undercover detective impersonating, a white man and gaining access to the klu Klux Klan, and this movie is both entertaining and thought provoking, and that is really the takeaway, Spike Lee has been making movies for a long time. And when I mentioned, Spike Lee, some people that go he's you know, he's too radical for me. I'm not gonna go see that movie. I said, okay. But I mean, it's really an enjoyable movie in you're missing out by not seeing. And what Spike Lee I think did with this movie what he adjusted slightly was that he found a balance between humor and message in black klansman that maybe hadn't been as refined in some of his other movies. And you know, right now if you want to get your message out. In the say that part of your art is conveying. Some sort of message say that you have a passion for something of saving animals or protecting the earth or whatever your passion happens to be that, you know, in our current polarized society shouting louder than the next guy. I mean, really it has diminishing returns at best quite honestly, just doesn't work. Nothing seems to change at least, that's my view right now. However, if you somehow can create a craft a story craft an image that balances humor with message, or you know, a heart touching with message. So that the person isn't you know, receiving a punch in the face. But they are being stimulated rather they are being stimulated by the art and craft of your work. Then I think you know, you have a better chance. To get your message across and you know, they won an Academy Award black klansman one and kademi awards. Spike Lee was unstaged for his screenplay. And I think that screenplay that did of writing that got him on that stage had that balance of message in humor in really good, storytelling. And I think that is really a way that will resonate with more people now than just trying to use brute force to get your ideas across the fourth movie. I like to talk about is crazy, rich, Asians. And you know, the canny did not touch this. But I think it's a good movie. And I enjoyed watching it. And the the story is not a new story in terms of theme. Rich boy falls in love with sweet girl of lesser financial means and he has a very protective family, and she has to win them over in order to move the relationship forward. And you know, the thing that I really came away with on this movie is the power of love. And it is, you know, the power of love is a great theme. The trick to to talking about the power of love or to creating an image with it, or creating a movie with the power love is how do you tell it without using all the standard cliches and images that we have seen for years because it is such a popular theme. It is addressed over and over again. And I think crazy rich Asians. Did for us here. We get to see a theme that we're familiar with. But with people that were not as a million with and is interesting. It's interesting because you know, we do get to see a little insight until their culture, we do get to see a little insight into you know, what's important to them. And what isn't as important in? You know, there are some things going on there. That are not as familiar to us as let's say if the story happened in New York, and I think as those additional things those different things that hold us to let the powerful story of love sort of then take the rest of the way home, and I really like that. So I think photographs that capture the relationships in life, indeed can be powerful. But I think it's also worth looking outside your own backyard or your own culture for these images. In sometimes having faces in having places that people don't recognize quite as much in your work. And then addressing those themes again in those different locations with those different people. Then they'll take a look at it. And then maybe they can get caught up in the shot in in what feels like a fresh way, even though it is a very very old theme. So I I like that about crazy rich Asians. I think that part of it worked for me. I was fascinated by the characters fascinated by watching you know, some of the cultural things at the end of the day is just a good old fashioned love story. But it was an interesting one. And I enjoyed it. The last movie I wanna talk about as a Coen brothers movie. And it's called the ballot of BUSTER Scruggs, and this movie is available on Netflix. So if you have net flicks, you can you can watch tha. Night, and you can watch it for no additional charge. I should say. And what the Coen brothers have done here and talk about storytellers, they created a series of short stories or she said, they portray a series of short stories told, you know, in very much in short story format including opening up the book about of BUSTER Scruggs, and you know, peeling back the onions skin paper to reveal a color plate. You know that illustrates the story. And then they would go into the story at self in movie form, they're very interesting stories stories about life on I think only one of them has what I would consider a happy ending. But they're all kind of you know, like real. Real. And at the same time, you know, very Cullen brothers odd. So you know, you get a little bit of that. But that isn't the takeaway for me. The takeaway for me was that this collection of shorts presented in one movie to me really shows like the power of the photo essay for us because we're able to see in different angles of a theme as they move from story to story in the movie, you know, we're seeing this theme kind of surface, but were seen it played out in different ways. And I think photo essays allow us to do that same sort of thing where we can tackle a subject with more than just one shot. You know, we can use. You know, a dozen shots to really show different facets of a subject or theme that that were dressing and then those parts come together. And if we do it right with great impact, you know, and much. More with much more impact than any of the stories could on their own. So I love that about the ballot of BUSTER Scruggs. There's a lot of things I like about that movie. It was nominated in two categories one of them was best costume. But I think the thing about it is though that if you really look at storytelling with fresh eyes and explored in different ways again, you can address traditional themes. But yet they'll feel fresh to the viewer, you know, watching the movie or viewing your images, and you know, these are not individual things all five of these seems that I that I talk about, you know, the photo essay and presenting traditional themes in a fresh way and staying true to your vision is and also, you know, looking for new ways to shine a light on a subject and using juxtapose ish in or use. Being a foil to do. So you can mix and match these things and be having them swimming around in your head either. When you go out to shoot or you can create images, you know, with this in mind, you can actually art design your own photographs. They that leverage. Some of these very powerful techniques that master storytellers are using quite successfully. So I I enjoyed two thousand eighteen lilies. There are more movies that I like, but I really like some of the lessons these five cover today. Portfolio box tip of the week. And this week they address image quality. And I like what they're talking about here. Because I I think I go the wrong way with sometimes myself, and what they're saying is, you know, the higher quality your images have the heavier. The files would be and we have lots of big heavy image files on your website. Then it affects your page speed. And so they have some tools built in to help with this. So they are saying that you can speed up the loading of your website by slightly reducing your image quality in portfolio box. You can adjust the image Calley by clicking on the cog wheel icon, then settings then general than website than image quality, the image. Call the scale is from negative one to one negative one is the lowest in one. One is the highest. So you can try out different quality level settings and find the best option for your website. So then you can test it, and when you test it tested on different devices. Just don't Tessa on your big powerful desktop, computer. You know, make sure you tested on the phone. Make sure you test it on a laptop make sure he tested on you know, tablet, looting of ESL, you're as opposed to wifi. You know, test under these different conditions in to where you find a happy medium between image quality and page le'ts feet. Now, the nice thing about this portfolio box approach is that you don't have to go back and play with your images per se individually. Right. So let's say that you had a very high quality upload insight. You don't have to pull them all down and replace them. You know with lower call the images instead, you can just use. This setting that they have on the site under image quality. And by the way, I have this written in the show now. So you can you know, you can follow you know, the menu settings to you get exactly where you need to get. So you just use one setting and then it addresses all the images on that page. So, you know, I think that is a very nice luxury in something that you might wanna think about you know, how fast is your site loading. I'm after reading this. I'm going to go back and take a look at mine. I've feeling I might be making some adjustments myself speaking on my side, I've added the portfolio bauxite to the Nath bar on the digital story. It is now the about me page. And what a good choice, and I you know, I've talked about this over the last few weeks about the success. 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Looking at the teaser video above their magic is capable of detecting what drone camera and image has been captured with it can scan the scene for Hayes skies and presumably other image elements artifacts before autumn adjusting, exposure color and other parameters for an optimized end result. They're saying here and there. Initial take on this that it's more for people who maybe want to an automated approach to editing their drone shots. But you know, the way I'm looking at this is that if I automate, you know, the bulk of the shots that are my three star shots and just say, hey, automate this and make them look good, and I can share them right away. And then I go back and handcraft the shots that are really my favorite. You know, that sounds like a pretty good thing to me. So I'm actually interested in this in terms of saving time with my drunk photography. But you know, the proof will be in the pudding, and we'll find out more about that. Once they release it in the spring. 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