33 Burst results for "Kirsten Cinema"
Charlie Weighs in on Krysten Sinema and the Filibuster Debate
"Try and repeal the filibuster, kyrsten sinema, who is just she's something else. You gotta give her credit. She is an unusual duck. I'll tell you what. So Kirsten sinema comes out and defends the filibuster in a statement criticizing decision to overturn roe versus wade. She says, quote, protections in the Senate safeguarding against the erosion of women's access to healthcare have been used to half dozen times in the past ten years and more important now than ever. Throughout my time in Congress, I've always supported women's access to healthcare. I'm a co sponsor of the women's health protection act, and I'll continue to work with anyone protecting women's ability to make their decisions about their futures. She's still defending the filibuster, which means that you can not go to, you can not use the filibuster to repeal not repeal to enshrine or to codify roe versus weight. That's the word I'm looking for. Cut 38,
There's No Guarantee Manchin Defects on Ketanji Brown Jackson
"There's no guarantee that senator Joe Manchin might defect, there's no guarantee that kyrsten sinema is going to be on board with this. She isn't pro constitution. She believes in a living breathing constitution. She is a progressive. She has, I mean, listen, I don't go off the rails here and think she's some Looney Tunes, she is, she has a history of service as a judge where she has demonstrated her dedication to progressive ideology. Progressivism is destroying America. And Democrats know they can't win any of these fights. In the public arena, they can't win any of these fights legitimately. They've got to get justices, judges to function as politicians. And that's what she is. The only way they can win is through the judiciary. Where they can have radical leftist judges, rule in their favor. In order to uphold the determined march of the far left into socialism and progressivism, anti capitalism, and everything else that's tearing this country apart.
The U.S. Will Provide $200 Million in Military Aid to Ukraine Amid Crisis
"So get your membership, support your values, get your members should get the benefits and do a good thing for yourself and other seniors. I want you to go to amac dot U.S. slash Regan for your membership. You'll get a special deal there. Again, go to amac U.S. slash Regan to become an apec member. Now, it's important. I mean, they've got all kinds of things, as I mentioned, they're going to be trying to get through this filibuster, drop the filibuster anyway, right? That's part of the idea tonight with the talking filibuster. Look, senator Manchin and kyrsten sinema, senator sinema. They've indicated they're not budging on it. And yet, these guys keep coming back and coming back and coming back. I guess they want to be able to say to their voters, what we tried, we tried and in order to really be able to do something we need to have control, we need to have control of the Senate. If they have control of the Senate, we are all going to be up a creek without a paddle. All right, I want to turn to what's going on in Ukraine right now because this increasingly is becoming really quite an issue. We saw Afghanistan as a disaster now. Ukraine is carrying on in that way. In fact, we just got word today that the U.S. is delivering military aid military aid to Ukraine as Russia continues to have all these security demands. Of course, Russia, from their perspective, right if you're in Russia, they don't really like that Ukraine is right there with NATO and not such a friend. And so they feel vulnerable as a result, and to be like, you know, if we had Chinese troops or Russian troops right there in Canada,
Tiffany Cross Accuses Kyrsten Sinema of Upholding White Supremacy
"And meanwhile, over on investment behi that I watched that you don't have to, the Arizona senator was described by, I think it was at CNN. It was probably the worst thing you can be described as a Democrat, one of the graphics described her excuse me as a Republican. She's a Democrat. Here's what MSNBC has Tiffany cross said Tiffany cross said about Christian cinema. Yeah, you know, this is an interesting challenge, Angela, because look, cinema is a Democrat, but she is in many ways upholding white supremacy. You and I both know what the filibuster was originally used for. Take a listen. Actually, the filibuster was not originally used for that, but we'll get into that a little bit later on. Some remark that she made this week and then we'll talk about it. When one party needs only negotiate with itself, policy will inextricably be pushed from the middle towards the extremes. And I understand. There's some on both sides of the aisle. I prefer that outcome. But I do not.
How President Biden Has Failed on Every Front
"Kristen, it's not news, but maybe somebody on the left will finally figure out Kristen sinema said yesterday on the floor of the Senate. I'm not changing my mind. Joe Manchin said yesterday, I'm not changing my mind. And kyrsten sinema has not said one thing differently from the beginning. She said I'm not breaking the filibuster. Joe Manchin has said one thing from the beginning I'm not breaking the filibuster. This is a deeply embarrassing end of the theater politics. We've had while the country gets consumed by a ruinous inflation, as Ukraine prepares to be invaded by Russia and China is taking over the South China Sea and is unleashed this vaccine is virus as the Biden administration has stumbled from face plant to face plant. People think they're main tweets are gone. Just remember that, mean tweets are gone. You got your deal. Inflation collapse abroad, Iran back threatening Americans about to have nuclear breakout, NATO and collapse, the economy in the tank interest rates rising rapidly, but don't worry about it, mean tweets are gone.
Dems switch strategy on voting bill as Biden pushes action
"President president Biden Biden meets meets privately privately with with Senate Senate Democrats Democrats on on the the strategy strategy on on their their voting voting and and elections elections legislation legislation in in a a memo memo obtained obtained by by the the AP AP Senate Senate Majority Majority Leader Leader Chuck Chuck Schumer Schumer outlines outlines a a plan plan to to hold hold debate debate that that could could stretch stretch for for days days on on voting voting rights rights legislation legislation his his proposal proposal comes comes as as Democrats Democrats seek seek ways ways to to actually actually pass pass the the managers managers because because of of the the fifty fifty fifty fifty split split in in the the Senate Senate White White House House press press secretary secretary Jen Jen Psaki Psaki says says president president Biden Biden is is ready ready for for the the fight fight this this is is a a defining defining moment moment that that will will divide divide everything everything before before and and everything everything after after when when the the most most fundamental fundamental American American right right that that all all others others flow flow from from the the right right to to vote vote and and have have your your vote vote counted counted is is at at risk risk the the link link the the debate debate would would still still not not solved solved the the fundamental fundamental problem problem Democrats Democrats lack lack any any Republican Republican support support as as well well as as the the backing backing of of democratic democratic senators senators Joe Joe Manchin Manchin of of West West Virginia Virginia and and Kyrsten Kyrsten Sinema Sinema of of Arizona Arizona for for a a rules rules change change to to allow allow passage passage by by a a simple simple majority majority to to McGuire McGuire Washington Washington
Good News: Joe Biden’s ‘Build Back Better’ Plan Might Be Dead
"Unlikely, basically it's not going to happen. The build back better Bill. It's unlikely it's going to get passed. The build back better Bill, which gives a $100 billion to illegal aliens. Gives 68,000 new IRS agents, massive tax increase, hundreds of billions of dollars to clean energy. I mean, it is a blank check. To fundamentally transform the country. Thanks to Joe Manchin and kyrsten sinema, it looks like that Bill is not going to pass. But I don't think that's news to most senators. I think that's news to us. We knew that mansion was playing games. We knew that mansion didn't want to see this bill passed for a while. We thought that there might be a scaled down version of it. But I think months ago mansion and Biden and cinema and Democrats knew that this bill was probably $3 trillion too ambitious. So instead, I think there was this skit that was being played on the American people the last couple weeks. Look how big this bill is. Progressives then can say to their base, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, we did everything we could, but those stupid Joe Manchin types stopped us. You see, so Warren and Sanders can go back to their base in their voters and say, we tried to spend $3 trillion, but it's not because of me it didn't happen. But instead, what we are
"kyrsten sinema" Discussed on The Takeaway
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"kyrsten sinema" Discussed on The Takeaway
Senators Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema Continue to Block Biden's Agenda
"Nothing's over yet. We have a long way to go before we can reclaim America, but I like the momentum. I like the way things are going right now. Biden's agenda is blowing up. He's making a last ditch effort to try to save it. It's fallen apart thanks to Joe Manchin and Kirsten sinema. I can not believe that our entire country hangs in the balance with a couple of feisty, moderate Democrats holding the line. They are. They're holding the line and Joe Manchin is evidently talking Biden out of the capital gains tax increases. He's talking Biden out of the IRS, snooping around our bank accounts. It's quite a thing
"kyrsten sinema" Discussed on Today, Explained
"That. And she just deflected all of it. None of this stuck. How did she deflect all of it? How does none of it stick in a relatively conservative state like Arizona? Well, part of it is that she had also spent the last few years demonstrating her congeniality or her ability to work with and make friends with the other side of the aisle. You know, she'd had this kind of self deprecating streak that allowed her to sort of Teflon in a way for the attacks that they were throwing out of her, you know, they wanted to portray her as if she was still stuck in in 2002, but it was kind of clear as day to anybody watching her that some gear had started to change in her political calculus and she was very much not that. She was aggressively seeking to be the voice for the political middle. And when she gets to Washington, one of the first things she does is she starts talking about the need to work with Republicans and at a time when people like Paul Ryan or ascendant in Congress and Republicans are in charge. Of the need to kind of put aside our partisanship and work together. Does she fix Washington? You know, I think maybe the jury's still out. No. She does not convince Paul Ryan to not be Paul Ryan. She does not prevent the Republican Party from becoming the party of Donald Trump. But in her incremental ground level ways, she sort of thinks that she is achieving some kind of progress. So one of the things she does in her effort to befriend the other side of the aisle and come up with a kind of working arrangement with everyone is she starts a bipartisan spin class in the capital gym. It's actually at the behest of a new friend of hers, Kevin McCarthy. Ha, the current House minority leader. We're here to lift each other up. So turn to your neighbor and compliment one part of their body beast the sippin. Kevin McCarthy spins? You know, I don't even know if he goes to the classes, but she got a bipartisan assemblage of lawmakers to do this. She's a very competitive athlete. And so she would go on early morning jogs with Republican members of Congress. So she, you know, through athletics or what have you, you know, she kind of set a goal of being able to work with all of these Republican members of Congress who, at the time, were very much very vocally anti Obama. Deeply partisan figures. And she is in her way able to work with these people. You know, she's able to push through kind of measures on say veterans health or less overtly partisan things that, you know, to her count as a real victory. But if you look at the overall direction, the trajectory of Congress during these years, you would not say that Kirsten cinemas policy of radically accepting her Republican colleagues said actually move the ball in any way. And I mean, I guess by any measure she at least is successful because some years later, she wins Jeff flake sent seat, right? In 2018? Yeah, and by the time she's running in 2018, she barely even mentions that she's a Democrat. It's time to put our country ahead of party. Ahead of politics. It's time to stop fighting and look for common ground. It's her independent strand is very well earned. And although the democratic senatorial committee more or less clears the way for her to run in that primary and eventually to run for that seat, and although she, you know, still had ties to democratic institutions and certainly was running as a Democrat. It wasn't something that she very freely advertised, she didn't publicly endorse the democratic nominee for governor that year. So she once again really identified what she decided was the political middle here. So, you know, eventually, yeah, she wins the wins the seat in 2018 by the narrowest of margins. And does she endorse a candidate for president in 2020? Yeah, she eventually did endorse Joe Biden late in the democratic primary. But continued to kind of try not to even be too critical of president Donald Trump in kind of keeping with her, you know, idea of being able to work with anybody regardless of their party. So that was more than anything very much her brand. She wasn't somebody who was out stumping for Biden as he sought to flip Arizona that fall. Which I suppose that was a very roundabout way of coming back to this present moment where Joe Biden is trying to pass this landmark piece of legislation this sort of revolutionary way of thinking about care in America. It's infrastructure spending. It's spending on education, it's spending on healthcare and Kirsten cinema is one of two Democrats who really seem to be holding it up to the frustration of many fellow Democrats. Is this whole story we just went through informing this moment? It is, you know, you can see how her experiences just being ignored her experiences being in a minority party without any power, changed, not just how she thought about being a minority legislator as somebody who needed to work really closely with the other side. But it changed what she thought a majority legislature should work like. So she didn't come away from her time in Arizona, or her time in Congress with the idea that when Democrats take power, they need to just push everything through and take advantage because you don't know when you're going to have another shot. That's what a lot of activists think right now. She came away with a much different perspective, which is that if you want Washington to work, then you need the majority party not to function at all like it did in Arizona. You need people like Kirsten cinema to come in and inject like a new kind of order and bipartisanship and comedy to a chamber that's been missing all of these things. You need to build a durable kind of legislative strategy that might not be as big and might not have as big of a price tag or as many agenda items in it, but will be able to withstand successive changes in the structure of Congress. So the thing to remember, and I know this is this can be really hard to do when we're feeling really worried about what's coming right in front of us is to think a couple years down the road on what it looks like if you remove this tool, this protection for the minority. What happens when you're the minority? And that tool is no longer there to protect your rights. So she is a product of these experiences early in her career, but it's kind of a much different path than a lot of other people have taken from those same data points. And so that's why you see this big conflict in Arizona right now. Among her constituents among people who have supported her in previous elections, you know, going back to the early 2000s. You have people who have marched in the streets for immigration reform, you know, for literally decades who marched in the streets with Kirsten cinema, who look at this as we finally gotten this power, we finally have the votes to do all of these things that we were, you know, marching with Kirsten cinema for all these years ago, let's do it. And she from these same set of experiences has finally come to a different set of conclusions. Though it feels like the one or two or $3 trillion question right now, take your pick is what exactly the senator kyrsten sinema want. Does anyone know the answer to that? If you take it from her, The White House does know. She sort of pushed back on the narrative that Kirsten cinema won't say what she wants, not by telling us what she wants, but by insisting that she has told other people what she wants. It's kind of unusual for a senator to be as almost antagonistic to her own constituents and former supporters as she is right now. Over the last few weeks, for instance, you've seen a number of activists trying to talk to her head Arizona state where she teaches a class on a flight to D.C.. I just wanna know if you can commit as my senator as the immense to pass in. A reconciliation, like provide a pathway to citizenship. And they're doing this because she's not really meeting with anybody. Coalitions that helped get her elected, you know, groups like lucha that in Arizona that did more than almost anyone else, you know, to turn the state blue over the last decade or so by mobilizing Mexican American communities. You know, they can't get a meeting. They say that John McCain was an easier person to talk to, despite being a Republican. I mean, her relative silence on her positions has led to people creating their own narratives, right? And one of them is that, oh, Kristen cinema takes a lot of money from big business from pharmaceutical companies and maybe that's why she doesn't want to support this infrastructure spending bill. Has she said anything to address those concerns? She hasn't really, and that's, you know, that's the surprising thing. You know, you take her political role model. She said John McCain is a political role model. And John McCain's kind of signature calling guard was that he never stopped talking. You know, he never said no to an interview or a TV appearance. And this is what the activists criticizing cinema will say is you always knew where he stood. It wasn't always where you wanted him to stand, but it wasn't a question of John McCain won't tell us where he stands. Is she willing to scuttle the entire legislation plans of her party? For some concerns you might have voiced privately to The White House? That's the big game of chicken here. And she, you know, through it all insists that she is a good faith partner on this. You know, she has not at any point said, I'm going to kill the democratic agenda. She's simply not committed to supporting the democratic agenda. She is where she wants to be, which is she's in the room. She's one of the decision makers here. She has almost final input on what's gonna go into this bill as somebody who entered politics from the outside of the outside. Having that seat at the table is almost like the culmination of.
"kyrsten sinema" Discussed on Today, Explained
"Get your podcasts. Let's check in on American politics, shall we? Let's see here. We've got a democratic president, a Democrat led house, and by the slimmest of margins, a Democrat controlled Senate, and there's this massive economic agenda, the president's trying to push through Congress.
Senator Kyrsten Sinema Won't Be Easily Intimidated
"Don't know much about kirstin cinema. She sounds like a very colorful individual to be clear to be sure. I don't know much about her. She rides bikes. She's apparently openly bisexual. She's a very you know. Kind of provocative very unique kind of. Us senator If she's got any dignity she's not going to be bullied by mob in fact she's going to digger heels in and i believe she's going to have enough self worth that she's not going to allow the mob to influence her position when you get stalked and shrieked that and browbeaten and harass like this. I mean i guess you could do one or two things you can very publicly and spectacularly cave and say okay michelle illegal chasing me into the ladies bathroom you win. I'm gonna change my mind. And i'm i'm all on board with the three point five trillion dollar bill. Or you're going to say. Hey lady pardon my language here earmuffs the kids you go to hell. You're not going to tell me what to do. And you're not gonna chased me into a ladies room and thank you're going to harass me and intimidate me. I don't think here's the cinema of the little bit i do know about. Her is going to be easily intimidated.
Kyrsten Sinema, the Enemy Within the Democrat Party
"I'm joined by byron york. Who wrote yesterday about kristen cinema. The democrat marriage zona who does not agree with the largest that democrats want to spread around the country and in response. The new republic called her a traitor. The nation said how she is sold out the original story of kristen serve the senate's new super villain and then matt iglesias. Kristen cinema must be stopped. In the era of trump that would have been seen as a threat byron. Well done yesterday. I don't think the left is going to ease up though on their new. Michelle in coddle. In the new york times today calls her many names. That's right. I wrote it before. The new york times published the stories. That that simply. What's wrong with kirsten senna. Yep so as a matter of fact after the bathroom incident which occurred in arizona. she's flying back cinemas linebacker washington and. She's harassed on the plane About daca so i listen. I think the the remember there was a there was a period of time when resistance forces who are harassing Ted cruz they harass. Sarah huckabee sanders. Actually restaurant kicked her out and virginia And there were a people. Like maxine waters saying that anyone who supports trump should not find peace anywhere. You shouldn't be able to fill up your car the gas station. You shouldn't be abaya a gallon of milk at the grocery store without having to face the consequences of your political positions. Clearly that seems to be now directed at senator senator cinema.
The Democrat 'Process' Unleashes on Senator Kyrsten Sinema
"Senator. Kirsten cinema was teaching a class at arizona. State university and was targeted by a couple of students are activists and was accosted and ended up being that the people costing her again. I don't understand why these people post these videos. Same with the first one of the racist and the biggest that were not held accountable by the state university administration by the way a lot of conservatives think. Asu is this wonderful place. Arizona state university is a radical university devoid of wisdom devoid of principle. And if you want your children to hate the country send them to arizona state university. It's not to say that everyone does my good friend. Scott has one of his kids that go to arizona state university. And i think i hope it works out. Well i'm just saying arizona state university and there's some very nasty people that are produced from arizona state university but so these and we also have a great turning point. Usa chapter there. But you start to see these videos of these activists that actually post these videos you think if you commit a felony. Do you still post a video in their activist. Training one one where they learn how to burn down wendy's and you know target white people do they not say. Hey if you commit a felony do not delete the video will. It is a felony to go into the bathroom and record somebody. You are not allowed to do that. You're not allowed to film inside of a bathroom. They did anyway. So these are illegals. That should have been deported. Obviously they shouldn't be in our country the motto they're dreamers wonderful people. Yeah right now. Go into the restroom. Break the law and record cureton cinema. Were she's been a professor there for nineteen years belligerently screaming build back better. Build back better. It's their new
George Soros Funds Marxist Extremists Who Harassed Sen. Kyrsten Sinema
"Now we've learned from the Washington free bacon Chuck Ross the George Soros bankrupt is bankrolling the left wing activist group whose members accosted senator Kirsten cinema and the bathroom of the weekend He writes activists with living united for change in Arizona lucha film cinema while she was teaching at Arizona state university on Saturday after she refused to meet with the group the discuss her opposition To the spending bill sources open society foundation is living United's biggest donor They gave 1.5 million to the group in 2019 That's an enormous amount In a court of a 1 million 20 17 according to the philanthropy's grant database living united reported around 1.7 million in revenue in 2019 And 328,020 17 So Soros propped this group up Another sick on cinema
Sen. Kyrsten Sinema Confronted by LUCHA Thugs in Arizona State University Bathroom
"The Democrats have sent their militia out again They've all these hardcore Marxist organizations Black Lives Matter Not so much antifa and tiva pretty much operates on its own But you have groups of illegal aliens other groups Who protest who go to the homes of Supreme Court Justices who are now trying to intimidate to United States senators to Democrats cinema and mansion in particular cinema Cinema was harassed bullied and sure it's going into a public restroom at the Arizona state University the ladies room the other day Yesterday and apparently she just flew in from Arizona to Regan national and they met her there and were harassing her there as well And this group is called Lucia LU CHA And has pointed out by power line Scott Johnson the lucha thugs who stalk senator cinema in the ladies room and Arizona state yesterday We're not out to win friends or influence people in the style of Dale Carnegie In little decency in an argument they applied time tested tactics
Kyrsten Sinema Berated by Activists in Bathroom at Arizona State University
"Progressive activists are furious at west. Virginia's joe mansion and arizona's kerstin cinema so Now they're taking their anger directly to these debt. Moderate democrat senators in one case literally following them into the bathroom while senator cinema attempted. Well she did. Use the bathroom in the stall. It's unreal their gross. The people on the left are so gross. Where's the democrats are democrats going to denounce activists chasing kirstin cinema into a ladies room. This gross they've they are here's the encounter. It was cut number nine. She's teaching a class. Somewhere i guess at arizona state university and she takes because out to take go to the bathroom they literally chevrolet of them. Go into the ladies room with her. She asked to go into the stall and close and lock the stall presumably to do her business while they're still harassing her. And it's not just a self-described illegal harassing her. It sounds to me like the guy holding the the personal and the camera is a man. So you got the man filming. This encounter in the women's restroom at arizona state university wants to actually i had now but right now hold the real moment that our people need in order to be able to talk about. What's really happening. We need to build back better plan right now. We're not need how we not endorsed for you. To get you elected and just got elected we can get you out of office. You support what you promise that. She's going to the bathroom million. We need the brian. Here's a man's voice. I was talking to the united states. And i was three years old and in two thousand and ten. My grandparents both god's imported because of sc. Seventy and. I'm here because i definitely believe that. We need a pathway to citizenship. My grandfather passed away two weeks ago and i was not able to go to mexico and visit him because there's no pathway to citizenship and if we have the opportunity to pass right now then we need to do it because there's millions of undocumented people just like me who share the same story or even worse things to happen to them because seventy portion and there's opportunity to pass it right now we need to. We need to hold you accountable to what you told us what you promised us that you were going to pass when we knocked on boards for you now want to have some accountability. That young illegal ought to be deported right now.
Kyrsten Sinema Doesn't Play by Anyone's Rules
"Don't talk much about kirstin. Cinema axioms did a big profile about her about how she's you know kind of gone rogue or whatever you wanna call it. The intervention her political allies according to axios. Have some free advice for anyone. Trying to bully cureton cinema. The wine drinking triathlete she doesn't play by washington's rules and she's prepared to walk away or so says access for all her flash. Kirsten cinema unlike fellow. Hold out joe. Manchin rarely telegraphs her precise intentions leaving political adversaries guessing about her ultimate goals. Progressives can be forgiven for for presuming that the forty-five-year-old cinema would share their woke politics. They've been befuddled and increasingly enraged when she behaves more like the late republican senator john mccain another arizonan who didn't mind challenging partha party orthodoxies at her core actually says kerstin cinema is something of a fiscal conservative. She's unconventional she's known to rise between four and five. Am to train for her next race. And while joe mansion has been intensely focused on price the price tag of spending setting his limit at one point five trillion cinema has signaled. She's more concerned with the tax side of the equation including who pays them listen. I don't care what they do as long as all crashes and burns and they lose the agenda
"kyrsten sinema" Discussed on Dumb, Gay Politics
"This is the part of the show were truly has to find a so. There's that moment that's happening because of or in spite of the endless covert war climate war and culture war casserole that we're all constantly cooking and she hates doing it and not only because she'd rather be yelling about self-aggrandizing fake democrat thirst bucket twas but also because finding array of light in today's turbulent times is fucking impossible and this bitch has been doing it every single week for four and a half years and you deserve all the credit for that. Ma'am that's real real. That's like like fifty two weeks a year. That's basically like oh you're done basically over two hundred and fifty. So there's that. I defy anyone to find ten. You know what i mean. Two hundred and fifty. You've done well. Let's hear what bullshit came up with this well. If it wasn't for you. I'd definitely would have given it up so one of the things we've discussed here over and over again of courses criminal justice reform and the uttering contemptible fact that we have a severe incarceration problem in the united states seems to lack of putting black men and particularly in jail and keeping them there for some pretty inconsequential shit. Coincidentally this problem goes hand in hand with poverty lack of opportunity for communities drug addiction. White male dominance and of course just good old-fashioned racism. I of course. I'm not saying i don't love vengeance. Revenge justice and making someone pay for despicable crimes against humanity particularly crimes against women children and animals. But unless you as a victim or your family or friend doesn't take the law into their own hands. I do think given the right environment program and opportunity. A person has the ability to truly repent and change and use whatever trauma drove them to the dark side to inform and educate and be able to be part of the change and determination to succeed and be a better person. I can only imagine what being in prison does. The someone though and i'm sure it turns out even bigger killers and criminals. I do think it has the possibility of birthing for lack of a better term. A reborn now are cursor incarceration prison punishment system however absolutely lacks rehabilitation and sorting out those individuals who are capable for change human empathy understanding and the ability to become a participating member of society. So it feels like a lost. Cause i think as much as it's important for punishment for the most part. The sentences never fit the crime and the crimes are never dissected really when it comes to people of color for the most part the system offers no help and a kid of seventeen commits murder on the street of another guy in the neighborhood. Because they're in some drug fight. I'm sorry that's not the same as an adult point blank. Shooting up a church or a man killing his wife or children so true same goes for women but please people love being judgmental about people who are incarcerated and without knowing the ins and outs of life people also loved judging and saying they need to be thrown in jail and throw away the key. Let them rotten jail. And i'm guilty of it. Believe me. I have all my own heavy heavy baggage judgments and it isn't until you see and meet and here and watch and are forced to confront actual human beings who yes may have done. Some pretty agreed things where you really have to take stock of your own life and consider what you're capable of and how you'd want to be treated in a similar state it's one thing when someone isn't repentant or remorseful or changed or a shame. Those people can literally die but there are so many people in prison who are haunted and if taken what. They did to transform their lives and work to help other people. This is true of the case of joel cast on who grew up in ward eight of washington. Dc were gun. Violence was prevalent was a daily occurrence. He started selling drugs at twelve. He was homeless by fifteen and at seventeen he shot another young man in the neighborhood named rafique washington. He was then sentenced to life in prison for first degree murder. Just absolutely bananas so he served twenty eight years of it because of the incredible progress he made throughout his life on top of an amendment passed by washington. Dc which reduces sentences for people who committed crimes before the age of twenty four. So he's going to be paroled very soon but the more newsworthy thing here is. That joel is spent his time in prison. Not only trying to better himself all around but he also became active politically now. Most states incarcerated. People are not allowed to vote but washington. Dc change that while this guy was in jail while he's been in prison he earned a ged. He led a jail newspaper. He started a mentoring unit. He became a published author. He wrote papers on criminal justice reform. He took courses at georgetown. He became a financial literacy instructor and last month. He ran for city council and he won. He is the very first incarcerated person to ever be elected to public office. More specifically for the advisory neighborhood commissioner of district seven f- oh seven in south east. Dc now is that where the prison is located at is where the prison is located in the prisoners inside. This prison are allowed to vote. They are allowed to campaign around the campaigned around the prison and is now an advocate for that person. He's able to vote for the rights right. You know he's gonna incredible. This isn't a maximum security facility. This is a this is a facility of you know. it's you didn't you. When they show. I watched a bunch of videos. And it's like they're they're going to classes they have. It's great it's like a it's a it's some more of a i mean there's a prison the minimum security. Yeah right so he is. One of the cases. Kim kardashian got involved with and she said after meeting him. I found jol to intelligent gracious. Respectful engaging and inspiring. I've never met him. I watched a two minute video and it had me fucking inspired and touched. My cold. Dead heart did she. Was kim kardashian. Unable to get him released. I don't i don't think she got him released but he is about to be released so he won. We can come on. Get the pardon kim. I mean he won elected office. He is serving this term which is unpaid so. It's a voluntary position. His job includes overseeing not only his housing unit but the harriet tubman women's shelter and a new luxury apartment complex.
"kyrsten sinema" Discussed on Dumb, Gay Politics
"Yes i've been living and lurking here while we're on our three day juice fast and i will be here for another first week of our our herb cleanse because i cannot and will not be alone during this and not watch you make sure you're not eating enough eating and i have to monitor you and give you all the juices so i saw firsthand that you were going to do. You're better help therapy on the phone with your dude and i needed to say i'm like where do you think you're going to go. And you're like okay. I'll go to the car so because we can't be doing in front of each other so then i said okay go ahead mel these t shirts off because we got a few t. shirt orders and we needed to send one to tom. Christopher said in person it in australia persson. Yes so you went off. You also need to mail. Phyllis a her her gifts that was made for her. So you went off to do the mail while you therapy. How did that go correct It was good it was. We had a short session. We had a check in okay And he just he will not let me. Did he know that you were doing errands or you tried it. No i told him. I told him i was going to the post office but i was stressed out about it because of the of the delta so okay so you tried to tried to make up some conflict so he could give you therapy on. I can't say. I'm not not stressed out about being around people but you know but yeah and then he want he was very reassuring you know very jones or did you tell them about our juice fast. I told him about the juice fast. And he said that's great. Basically we told him about the jews fast and he was excited because he was like empowerment and he's right that's great and you know he's all about empowerment so well. That's fucking amazing. He's so fucking supportive and he will not let me. Never not have a week where i don't talk to him. I know that's the thing about therapy. You guys get into it. It's we recommend it to everyone at this point at twenty twenty one. It's just part of. It's like brushing your teeth at night. If you're not brushing your teeth at night like i don't even know what to tell you about your about yourself like honestly like it's like you just gotta if you weren't raised doing it in a lot of people i would say half the country was it but you have to reach. You have to do it now. It's like yeah so and it's like therapy. It's like you know what nobody wants to be doing it. Nobody wants to be working out. Nobody wants to be doing things that are healthy for them but they heard of it. And it's just you just so sign up and then you spend the rest of your time trying to figure out how to get out of. It does do check in how to cancel. Then you want try to justify it but eventually you just see that it's going to be a part of your life forever like any self care that you do like let's say you're trying to prevent hair loss and then you go. I'm going to start rogaine. Will the minute you start it. You can't stop it anymore. And that's the same with their you. You know you just put it into your lifestyle and then get used to it again. Maybe it's like a car payment or you know like when you work out with how sometimes when you don't do it because you're so tired you don't wanna deal whatever but every time you know this is true no matter how shitty or tired or hung over whatever if you work out even for five minutes you feel better. You feel better you always. It's a fact that the thing you most don't want to.
"kyrsten sinema" Discussed on Dumb, Gay Politics
"Everybody welcome to dumb gay politics. I'm julie and i'm brandy and this is the podcast where we talk about the week in politics. We're talking about reality. Tv it's august already. God i mean can you even know. August twenty fucking twenty one twenty twenty one august twenty twenty one while in the pandemic. Oh it's taken taken a taken a turn we're on. We're the variant pandemic now. We're in the greek alphabet where in maternity sorority. We're in the yup. We're in the off of that mean. We're trying not to join. We're trying not to joy. They're they're pushing hard in rush. We don't think we're gonna get into the greek system. No i don't think so. I hope not. I actually kinda. Don't you know. I was never in the greek system. So you're not gonna join now. I guess i won't join now. I mean i just keep thinking. Maybe that's why they don't want me. I wish kappa kappa gamma. I know and they seem to have skipped over. Gam went from gone from lambda. But we're not sure and lambda. They should want me but they don't. They should all want you well. I mean i'm making it very hard for them. We're not interested. We're not we're not gonna join gonna join in this time around. You're not gonna find me. You're not gonna find me with no taste. And no no hearing and no matter. Now because fucking cleanse your. We aren't eating. We're on a juice fast. Yes we are on a three day juice fast. An i have the most energy i have. We're on day two. We can pay laying specifically because she said to us a bottle of for our four year anniversary of our patriotic podcast or years ago this week we did our very first patriot. We when we started. We only did one podcast a week and then two years in. We transitioned to to podcasts. A week it feels like four yet. Sure sure does and truly laying sent us a bottle of booth which said to us on a bender. I mean i'm not gonna say didn't have fun on. The bender was totally fun. Totally totally nothing like bender kicking it off with no. I mean once you start with that. I mean that's the problem now. You're like what. I'm celebrating my presidential win or whatever and now you're just celebrating. Because it's celebratory while we and we were looking for the high dollar drugs right everything needed to be the upper echelon upper-echelon we weren't we weren't in the street drug category so and she also sent us our favorite gift. Even more than adult treats a giant package of kleenex boxes and boxes and boxes and boxes and boxes of kleenex. We were we were rolling throwing them on the bed like just won the lottery. we'd love. we're rolling around. We're doing this. They do that with money. Yeah maybe rain yeah. We're making it rain with kleenex. We were and the kids do in the strip club. Yeah exactly the last time. We were strip club. I know i think i do too. Okay when new orleans. Yup what what year. I don't know twenty nine thousand nine hundred okay. January nineteenth twenty nine nineteen. Oh oh oh my berth. Oh god the good old days. Before the damn i mean it's poor new orleans. They must be fucking. That's not a place that needs a panda. I no no that entire whole city exists on crowds. Yeah tory oh we love. We will spend our dollars there. Oh and we're backup when the pandemic is over like for real right. It'll never be over now. But maybe that's where we'll go. We'll go die from other causes from other self inflicted causes jim in scottsdale. Listen jim oh and jim would hook us up with the airbnb. hooked up with. Come on jim. you're no. You're not listening but we still love you. Tell alex to give us a ring up. We want to stay in his mansion. Beautiful gorwing in the garden district in the pink elephant and the pink elephant yup. Well thank you julie. We are now we did. The patriots podcast. And you're like we need to go on a cleanse. And i was like no. Let's keep partying for one more week. Then i just was like. I just got it in my head. Goodell stop. so we're now in a fucking fast. It's not we're not. We haven't even started the cleanse which is normal cleanse where we take all the herbs right. We take six herbs. Six different types of herb writes all day for three weeks. Yeah which is really annoying. But i really wanted to do a cleanse because i felt like something i've got to figure out what the allergy or what the thing is physically going on an and so far i have to say like you said elizabeth hasselbeck who apparently one on survivor and then with starving. The never felt so good because because she had silly actors and so that might be. What my let's the anecdote i always go back to because when you're deep abiding hate love for elizabeth hasselbeck. So it's really. It's really ironic. But yeah she was. She was always athletic and she said she wanted survivor. Everyone was dying in. They're like eating like chicken feathers. They do on the show and then she was like i feel great. I've never felt better and she realized that a lot of the things she was eating. I guess we're making our exhausted when you have silly act disease. It gives you brain fog. I mean we don't know how. How hard core yours isn't it could be anything. It could be leaky gut. It could be your flora. Could just be messed up. I mean your is your second great the million things. We're going to try to due process of elimination. i can say this that The energy level is not being affected. It's that that's telltale. That's the telltale incapacitated in capacity. We eat incapacity nauseous. You need to lay down not happening now and on survivor. They ate rice and listen. If that's what i'm saying if the rest of my life or whatever except for when we go out to special dinners where it's whatever. But i'm like if i if i have to just eat like protein and rice or protein and potatoes or whatever. I'm fine. We have to just see because i've noticed it now. I've been done knowing your gluten intolerant. Because yo ass love bacon.
"kyrsten sinema" Discussed on What Next | Daily News and Analysis
"The face of this but that victory was short-lived they. The state eventually did approve this in a ballot proposition. The same thing happened for another coalition. She worked with to prevent another ballot proposition. From being on the ballot that would have banned affirmative action so senator cinemas whole argument for the importance of bipartisanship is that you need bipartisanship to create lasting change durable change so you don't leave constituents swinging back and forth and law and policy you know going back and forth in this confusing wild way depending on who's in power but to the examples that she's written about the most were changes that didn't last. It wasn't until democrats seized control of the white house and the senate this january that questions started bubbling up about what exactly cinemas partisanship was all about. The first time she caught heat was a couple months back. The senate was scheduled to vote about. Whether president biden stimulus bill going to include a measure increasing the minimum wage to fifteen dollars an hour. Now it was expected kind of that. No republicans we're going to go along with this. Many democrats are also wildcards including some democrats who support raising the minimum wage as senator cinema does because they had a procedural objection to kind of tacking it on to this larger stimulus package because it has sunset provision in a variety of other things. They just didn't feel it was the right way to go about this. So plenty of people were thinking they were gonna vote against this. Yes but kristen. Cinema did it with panache. She did and she you know she had said before the vote that she opposed this so she comes into the senate chamber to cast her vote on the inclusion of this minimum wage hike and she walks up to where they record the votes and she does a thumbs down which is usual which is normal in the senate especially with masks on you know. People use that a lot senators due to just get their vote recorded but Than she curtsey she did kind of the dip. Now what you could see on camera was just her curtsying in front of the staffers recording her vote. And then you know. She talked to a couple of republicans on her way out of the chamber. And how did commentators react when they saw this. The backlash was swift. So you know representative mark. Po cana He's from wisconsin wisconsin democrat. He wrote on twitter. Just to wow linking to a post about her previous support for raising than wage Rashida to leave michigan democrat wrote on twitter. No one should ever be this happy to vote against uplifting people out of poverty so this was really seen by a lot of progressive democrats as kind of an fu that not only was she knocked gonna vote to include it but the way she did it was kind of rubbing salt in the wounds of working people the lawmakers who wanted to get this done but when you reported it out was it that no so she got a lot of flack. You know in media reports as well for this both nationally and in her hometown paper. When i started reporting it out because i was already working on a profile of her at the time i was told by multiple people and the more people i asked the more people confirmed it. Was that what you couldn't see. Is that right off camera. There were non partisan senate staffer so these are staffers who work for the senate. Not for one party or not one lawmaker. They had had to stay up all night the night before reading the bill and it was hundreds of pages of long said. Been there all night earlier that day senator cinema had brought them a cake and They were thanking her for it. As she voted. And so her curtsey she was looking at them beyond the staffer that was recording the votes as they thanked her and she curtsied as a as a response to them a gesture of acknowledging their thanks. Now the really puzzling part to me was why her office or she herself wouldn't have just said that at the time the only thing her office did say about it was they told the huffington post that it was essentially sexist to talk about a woman's body language. They told the huffington post quote commentary about a female senators body. Language clothing or physical demeanor does not belong in a serious media outlet. So what do you make of that like. Do you think. Christmas staff saw this almost as an opportunity. Like she's riled up these progressives and she can kind of use that politically in arizona which is a very purple state or are we just looking at her wrong. I'm just curious what you made of it. I mean. I don't think her staff went kind of off script in any way in their response to that. If anything i think they were trying to clean it up to the extent that they could probably given some limitations you know congressional staffs rarely go rogue That usually are carrying out the wishes of the lawmaker that they're working for. I think that she really. I mean the title. I put on the story that i wrote about hers Cinema doesn't feel the need to explain herself. And i just. I really don't think that she feels that she does now. I questioned whether that's a good decision for someone in politics. But i don't feel as though she feels. She needs to answer to people on the progressive side of politics right now. She sees herself as having put together a winning coalition that included a lot of republicans and crossover and independent voters. There's a lot of independent voters in arizona. And she used that is why she won. Which in arizona just five years ago. A democrat winning. A senate seat was a bit of a political coup. Now i think things have changed even since then. So i think it remains to be seen whether her calculation is correct that that is the only group of people. She should be focused on her coalition. When we come back is senator cinemas commitment to bipartisanship a winning strategy in the senate. We're back home. This episode is sponsored by mail. Chimp with mail chimp. You get a whole lot more than you. Are you get an all in one. Marketing platform to help drive sales. That means you can connect your data to make more informed smarter decisions and you get powerful automation tools like our customer journey builder to ensure you never miss an opportunity to turn shoppers into loyal customers. So if you're ready to integrate your marketing and boost sales get started today at chimp dot com slash smart marketing mail chimp built for growing businesses. Hi remedial. 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"kyrsten sinema" Discussed on Trumpcast
"Will be delicious with that. Why i love is a lot of work but if you get someone else to make it for you. It's wilson agreed. Just looking at the back of the bottle hair says fourteen point seven percent and this is a pretty big one alcohol was. It's not silly right. But the core is infant dell and that in in california you can tame the beast some extent but picking zinfandels to come in at mid. Thirteen's you're not gonna get that core iron zinni fruit you get when you're picking up more potential alcohol's like fourteen five fourteen six so i make no apologies for our soviet lanka's thirteen point one are as twelve point five so it's representative of the wine. I am intentionally trying to lower our alcohol content across the board with all of our wines and have been doing so for the last ten years but the core of this one with zinfandel has got to be in that. Sort of sweet spot. How do you do that. Because i mean ultimately it's those ninety degrees days right they just get that food really ripe and figure turns to alcohol a lot of the things that i source from are not on wires of chalices the canopy flops over and so a lot of that threat is protected. Most of zinfandel louis grow is head pruned to means the the fruit never sees the sun. The sexy winemaking term is dappled. Light that and intentionally picking it or have slightly lower sugars sourcing out so when we dump secular. We run it over a an antique sorting table and michael cole. Edges amount of raisins off of clusters to keep the sugars. Moderate so the towns i guess is the peasant bit. Yeah tannin and there's also some pretty pronounced acidity. It's not a low acid red wine. You say california. But i think textually drifting more into italy. Tell me about acidity in red wine. What does it do to the wine pops more and it causes the wind to linger more in your mouth or makes you want to go back and have especially if you're having it with the meal you say that it's going out of favour. Why would people not one acidity in that one. Well not just acidity tana's well. There was a trend to make wines very rich and very ripe and very soft and sometimes a little bit sleet and the shift back towards acidity and tannin be okay and wind. A lot of. That's happening your neck of the the woods in brooklyn new york city. Thanks to a lot of great wine bars and somme as that are bringing back more traditional producers. Lots of interesting wines from all over italy southern france that aren't afraid to not be incredibly soft enrich end voluptuous remarkable. Because of something a little bit rough a little bit a little bit like get your feet dirty a little bit. Yeah let me ask you three questions. Number one is white burgundy the greatest wine in the world. Yes oh no no. It took a while to come out with that. One i had like. You've had many many many great wipers. I worked with david ramey for the first eight years of the project here at sarah and he was sort of the progenitor of bringing white burgundy technique to california with from anted unbelievably delicious chardonnays. And i've tasted a lot of great wakeford knee with david with other associates friends so there have been some relief anies but there are so many other regions that are on the same level. I would say so. It's hard to pick one region. There are there any other reasons on the same level that in the new old mendocino county mendocino county. There you go represents next question. Do you have a dog who helps make this one. A dog not other dog. We have l. parkas al packers. Yes in the mail is called music man. And i've actually stuck in front of his face. He what would happen. And it's been radio silence so far a lot of snotty. But i've never had a wine made with the help of now packa- so i'm not gonna thank music man but this wind because clearly he had absolutely nothing to do with exit for looking at it through doleful is and finally which podcast should i be listening to when i drink this one. I'd see your own. wow little self-reflection. Yeah and just going. Oh my god that was such a stupid thing to say you one of those people who's okay listening to the sound of your own voice. It doesn't bother you just like it immensely. And i have got used. I think this is it. This is my way of learning to come to terms with my own. Voice is to drink old soul mendocino county red wine blend from the vineyards while listening to my own podcast. And if i do that for long enough i will start associating the sound of my own voice with delicious slightly rustic italian red wine from mendocino county and that will be lovely connection right there. It couldn't hurt. So thank you again to alex mcgregor for joining us today and for telling us all about his twenty eighteen old soul. If you're not a member of the wine club already joining is easy text. Sleep eight seven eight seven seven seven five two eight two three to set up your first shipment and you'll be well on your way to enjoying premium wines not to mention developing a better appreciation for the expert winemakers who fill hourglasses..
"kyrsten sinema" Discussed on Trumpcast
"And welcome to the sleet wine club. I'm felix salmon and you may know me as the host of sleet money or guide to the business and finance news of the week. But i am also as many sleep. Money listeners will remember a bit of a wine lover. And i like to drink wine like to talk about wine. I like to think about wine and really underneath everything i like. The storytelling of wine. I really think that winus about stories and memory and experiences and the idea of transporting yourself to a different place. These are the things that the heart of the snake wine club. It's not about you know tasting notes and tannin's and matt electic fermentation micro oxygenation. That kind of thing. It's about place and people and stories and just getting to enjoy a variety of clean winds and learning about them flim. These expert winemakers often who've been making wyans not just themselves in families for hundreds of years and these stories really helped me enjoy wine. No hope you enjoy wine before we talk to today's winemaker. You probably want to know why you should join the club and how to become a member of it. So as a sleet wine club member you'll get expertly. Curated selections of premium wines made by some of the world's best winemakers each shipment includes three bottles of unique high quality wines. Deliver gratiot in joining his easy. Just text sleet two eight seven eight. Seven seven sleet that's s. l. T. e. two eight seven eight seven seven five two eight three once you receive your winds. You'll be able to sit each one while listening to an interview with the talented winemaker. Who crafted that. And that's exactly what we're doing today with alex mcgregor. Alex is kind of guy that cool when you wanna do something maybe a little bit new or not involved like field blends field. Blend is basically where you just take all of the grapes in the field and put them all together no matter what they are and it can be spectacular. Epics really close to nature. It's in many ways to purest expression of terroir. So john fetzer hired. Alex gave him improper budget. Lots of independence and gave him time to experiment and twenty years later here. We are with saraceno a benchmark in mendocino which is very incoming part of northern california wine country. Alex mcgregor welcome. Thank you tell me about santa. Where is it sarah. Cena's in haukeland california which is in the heart of mendocino county. Were about twenty five miles from the coast as the crow flies. Tell me about climate is. It looks a fog in wins. And we'll sit cool temperature gradients. Climate is changing unfortunately or fortunately so our fog influences diminishing every year and we do get a high and low shift of fifty degrees day for example. We had ninety during the day last week. End forty nighttime temperatures which is fairly. Now what does that do to the vines. There's a story it's definitely a story. From california winemakers about warm days and cool evenings retaining natural acidity and it has legitimacy our county. We cool off quickly and to an extreme and so with vineyards like the one. I just described you alone. Us which is the oldest soviet blanc. In the country dry farmed at pruned. Legitimately these cool temperatures help retain its acidity almost to a fault where the winds are berge. On european with their acid levels which is my preference verging on the european heaven. Heaven forbid and dry farmed means. You don't irrigate it. You just leave these whole struggling vines to fend for themselves exactly. It's tough love another story. That i think has legitimacy with older by material like this vineyard in particular. They do struggle. But you end up with to say much. Much lower yields than a modern commercial soviet-bloc vineyard and it's just like a tomato vine fewer tomatoes on the sweeter and tastier juicier. They are the same thing applies to grapevines. Is that true for older wines. Your old find seven-year blunt no recurrently replanting vineyards at the property. The changed ownership within the last two years when the owner changes like. How much of a difference does that make in this case a massively positive one passionate he sees the potential in the property sees the potential in mendocino county which is rustic would be the sexy terminology for were napa valley. Twenty-five years ago we're still relatively rural and dell used with traffic congestion millions of people. You're not stepping back in time. But there's a more authentic experience to county this full of economic lasts i e cantankerous fourth-generation for hers that are fun to hang out with and when i've taken people. Some of the vendors source fruit from that are not used to standing say binds that are seventy five years old. it's magical and their eyes light up and they'll say the same thing. I would love to make wine out of a beard like this. And that's part of the appeal. We're lucky there's a surfeit of those vineyards in this county still have a bottle here says the sole vintage two thousand eighteen. This is a field blend right. You just pick all of the wine and the field knicks. A bunch of different grapes. Yes by design. And h- designed there's some field blend components in it there are some single varietal. Vineyards in at the small bind simpson del. There's old petites raw there's younger mullebeck in it. There's some ancient vine carignan carrying on vineyard is a field blend of carrying younger. Nausea is one grape variety that we are not sure what it is. A mix of whites injure planted amongst the reds about two hundred and fifty french columbine vines. It's quite unique mentioned. Something interesting there there's old vines and then there's ancient vines. What's the difference between an old vine. Nothing semantics my language. I would say nothing at all. Like ancient ancient is good. So how many fields does this wine come from in total off the property here. There are five different blocks. It comes off of than casa verde greenhouse not too clever but says what it is and abandoned greenhouse would say ten ten to twelve different blocks. Wow and so that's where you come in. You're choosing the blocks your throwing together. You're picking which fields which plans and you're trying to create something magical at the end of it. Tell me what's the vision for this sophisticated peasant wine for. I'd like it to be not incredibly polished and sophisticated the same time and also to evoke some of these old binds and to make you want to have a second glass or split bottle at lunch with your best friend. Okay so i'm going to open this guy up. You have a coke. do you have an opinion on closures. I do korca's certainly. The most sustainable. That's important and it's traditional. I was familiar. Ls popping courts. I love that sound a good sound yet. all right. let's see how sophisticatedly peasant this is over here as well. You should know okay so this to me. This absolutely smells of california. This is unmistakably californian wine on the haven't even tasted it yet because it's warm is warmth and they've just. I put it into the glass and i was like. Oh yeah. I remember sitting out on the porch in napa like fifteen years ago you know how it smell memory loss much longer than any other american it just takes you straight back. It does remain. It's also zinfandel which. I honestly don't know if i ever drink zinfandel from anywhere other than california. So what am i looking for in this wine. Was i start tasting it sunshine. California sun there. You go black tannin's some tannin and so. The tenant is intentional. As i said sophisticated an peasant at the same time ten is important one. We're drifting away from ten in red wine making generally and i think it's a mistake. It's just because of the way just wind for example would work with to lunch that we're gonna share. What am i eating with his whim something with mushrooms. Something with probably animal protein certainly not barbecue thrown out too often. It could be. But i see roasts. Maybe a beef. Wellington a beef. Wellington.
"kyrsten sinema" Discussed on Trumpcast
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Universities and concerned citizens committed to ensuring that everyone has the opportunity to invent and patent because the more diverse. The american patent system gets the stronger and more successful. our nation will become. What can you do to help. Divers inventors patent and unleash economic opportunity. Find out at infant together dot org learn more and take action today. I wanna get into the main reason. Why cinema attracting more attention and scrutiny. Now than she ever has. Before and that's the filibuster so with a fifty fifty divided senate and kamala harris the tiebreaker. The democrats need to get ten republicans on board with any non budgetary legislation. They want to pass while the filibuster is in place so in other words the democrats will not get anything done while. They're in power unless they kissed the filibuster goodbye cinema. And joe manchin have been really the only staunch holdouts filibuster reform. Some of the other senators have sort of said my. I don't think it's a great idea. But like they could be convinced you know. They're just sort of saying that but if it actually came down to it they would. They would vote to reform the filibuster or get rid of it but cinema has got even further than mansion on this and she says she wants to expand the filibuster to include presidential nominations as well. Here's a clip of her defending the filibuster in a video. That was tweeted by suhil. Kapoor as folks in arizona. Now i've long been a supporter of the filibuster because it is a tool that protects the democracy of our nation rather than allowing our country to ricochet wildly every two to four years back and forth between policies. The idea of filibuster was created by those who came before the united states senate to create comedy and to encourage senators to find bipartisanship and work together and while there are some who don't believe that bipartisanship is possible. I think that i'm a daily example. Bipartisanship is possible. Not just this trip today. And tomorrow that john doing but the work that john and i and i and many of my colleagues in both parties do on a regular basis so to those who say we must make a choice between filibuster and ex. I say this is a false choice. The reality is that when you have a system. That's not working effectively. I would think that most would agree. That the senate's not particularly well oiled machine right. The way to fix that is to change your behavior not to eliminate the rules or changed the rules but to change your behavior. So i'm gonna continue to go to work every day aggressively seeking bipartisanship and cheerful and happy. Your way always do and showing that when we work together we can't get things done so none of what she said is true. The filibuster was not created by the founding fathers. It was sort of a loophole in the senate rules. It was not intentionally created at all. Certainly not by the founding fathers who cares what they thought but for the sake of arguing on cinemas terms. It does matter that the founding fathers did not want to require a supermajority for passing legislation. It was not a deliberate way to create comedy and encourage bipartisanship. It was kind of a random. A random interpretation of the rules that has been largely in the past used to oppose civil rights legislation. Juliet how have you been thinking about this. That actually leads me directly into what i mentioned earlier which was the comparison to barry goldwater Which would again just make me immediately. Reconsider. whatever it was that i was doing So joan walsh. Who writes for the nation connected this to bury goldwater who is a former senator from arizona. Alluding that the way to end racism was to change hearts and minds and not laws. Yes that's where that mainstream narrative comes from And so that is just hit. That i again personally. I would not want to take a hit like that. I would not want to be compared to barry goldwater ever in my life. I doubt you will be. I think you're living your life on the right track as far as that's concerned. Thank god But that aside filibuster was used as you said during the fifties and sixties to block civil rights legislation and now cinema and mansion holding out on reform is slowing down the passage of the people act which would expand voting rights. Stop voters from being purged from the roles and mandate the independent commissions handle congressional redistricting to prevent what happened in north carolina from happening elsewhere. Just as one st example for as far as gerrymandering go yes Where black voters were targeted with quote surgical precision and cinema also co sponsored this bill when she was in the house so now she's she is saying you know because i'm so committed to bipartisanship i'm more committed to bipartisanship or like the myth of bipartisanship than i am to passing this legislation that i co sponsored yes. I think that's a good read of so. It's let's say interesting to me. That the set of bills that she is holding up by supporting the filibuster or refusing to consider filibuster reform includes a voting rights. Bill named for john lewis. Which is you know. Essential to the future of democracy voting rights as we know them and probably cinemas future career because in two thousand fifteen at the start of that congress as there is at the start of any congress. There's an election to determine who will lead each party at the time almost everybody. Almost every democrat voted for nancy. Pelosi not kirsten cinema. She said she wanted to elect john lewis to lead the party. And she said he's my hero. Well the fact that she calls him a hero publicly embraces him as a civil rights icon and now is working against the substance of what he stood for is to me like the peak peak toxic white lady energy where again as we talked about in the first segment. It's all about image for her. The idea of john lewis is great. What he actually stood for among other things voting rights for black people in the us is. You know we'd throw that aside when it.
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"A way that we couldn't perceive from the video and she was acknowledging their thanks. Bye sort of doing a little flip of her hip whether or not that's true. I think the fact that she wasn't able to internalize or decided not to internalize the fact that this was a very important vote that had important material consequences for people such that. Maybe this isn't the time to make a funny gesture while you're voting. It doesn't say a lot of good things about her intentions. And it certainly. It doesn't do much to convince me that she is earnestly devoted to as she said raising the minimum wage to some lower amount in a different process. Outside of the cove relief. Bill case in point not too long after the curtsy. She wore a ring in a photo that she then posted to social media. The ring said fuck off. She was sipping a glass sangria when she posted it to me. This had real madison. Cawthorn vives like cry lib again. It's unclear like to whom it's referring. I'm i'm guessing. She wanted it to say something. Because otherwise if you are a senator you don't wear something with words on it in a social media post unless you are trying to send a message but it's baffling to me. Because she's not a bad politician. She is want some tough races. She's very image conscious. Maybe even more so than most politicians but this seems like a bad move for a politician to make because really like the least could ask of her is that she pretends to empathize with them and not react so dismissively toward their concerns. But i read a quote from a former cinema staffer in the atlantic who said the cinema was more about creating an image then actually making policy and the staffer contrast her with joe manchin the conservative democrat from west virginia and said she's not actually conservative on certain issues that he is but she wants to be seen as different so considering that she is very image conscious and maybe to the exclusion of substance like the actual policies that she might be concerned about. What kind of image is she trying to create here. You have to imagine that she believes maybe correctly. That what arizonans want is a senator who is not politically correct. Doesn't care what people think whereas fuck offering you know like sort of like triggering for lack of a better word. And maybe she's reading the room and recognizing in the trump era that a lot less capable people have gone a lot further than she has on a lot less substance than she has. And maybe all of these little like many scandals are deliberate a deliberate strategy. What do you think. I don't know maybe i'm giving her too much credit. I don't know if it's giving her too much credit so much as it is To me that that whole situation around the fuck off ring was regardless of its intent or if it had intent or not or even if she wasn't thinking about it the thing about that situation that really stood out to me was just the lack of reading the room and if you're a politician you have to be able to read the room now. You might read the room and not give a fuck with the room saying but you still have to be able to read the room and kind of understand which was to your point the point that you made a little bit later. You still have to understand what your constituents want and just kind of loop back to that. Cnn article interviewing organizers who feel betrayed by the stances that she's making now. I mean these are the people who worked to get. You elected and organizers elect people who they think will carry forward the greater good for constituents and Things like this. Don't really foster good faith amongst your constituents especially on something as serious as raising the minimum wage i it. Just kind of baffles me that that someone would handle such a serious moment during the pandemic enduring a global economic crisis just so flippantly. I agree with you. That paul have the have to read the room. I think maybe the room she's reading is different from the one a lot of these things. She should be reading so she thinks her room is the people who sometimes vote republican. Who actually voted for her. And not like the latino voters whose massive turnout rates in two thousand eighteen actually elected her to the senate and this is sort of a tale as old as time in politics especially actually almost exclusively in progressive politics. Where democrats sort of forget their base and forget the people who or ignore the people who actually got them elected in favor of like courting some imaginary middle of the road voter whereas conservatives do the exact opposite. They're like way more conservative than their constituents are in most cases. Yeah that's a good point. The democrats do often forget about Who exactly elected to office. So it's a good point. I can't necessarily push back on that in good faith. Well then i'm gonna quit while i'm ahead and we're going to take a break here but if you like what you're hearing and want to hear more for me and juliana another topic. Make sure to stay tuned for our sleep plus segment gateway feminism with julian. I talk about one thing. That helped make us feminists. I will be talking about my time. On a co ed soccer team in middle school and a protest t shirt..
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"There's another interesting lear. we have to talk about. You mentioned it earlier that it's not just you know. How much is she willing to advance. Her party's agenda but also the state that she represents And so it's gotta be part of her current political calculus to two way what the cost would be if she just wholeheartedly said well. Let's abolish the filibuster. I mean how would that go over in arizona. You know i. I don't know that that's an interesting question. Because i think that you know this is a state that continues to evolve. What we do know is that when she wanted twenty eighteen for example she won by two point. Three percentage points And it was the first time that a democrat won they the senate race in arizona in thirty years. When you look at marquel who is her counterpart in the senate from arizona. He won by two point. Three percentage points and of course everybody remembers the joe biden won arizona last year but it was by zero point. Three percentage point. What you've got a what seems to be in some ways. A recent track record of great success for democrats in this state and that is something that emboldened folks on the left here to feel like they can they can win and they can get what they want seemingly but at the same time the state legislature got more conservative The night she was elected to the senate the gubernatorial democratic candidate was wiped out by double digit and so there is relatively narrow path that has been shown to work in this state. But it's unclear as to just how far you can take it in the near term. I think that's part of what is is guiding her liberation on these issues. Yeah so adam. You used to work for harry reid From that area of the country. I genuinely want to know what you think. About what good would it do. The democrats if kirstin cinema for example decided to pivot. And say we're gonna do that. Fifteen dollar minimum wage. We're going to abolish the filibuster. I'm going to fully embrace the you know the progressive Desires desires of the party. And then she gets voted out by arizona voters. I mean this has to be part of the the larger calculus here. It certainly does and i you know. I want to be realistic about the political realities that she faces. And what you have to do to win in arizona but but even by that metric. It's she is farther to the right then Many other senators who come from even redder states. You know I would point to someone like john tester from montana which trump won by sixteen points Who hasn't been an ardent advocate filibuster reform but his shown a very clear openness to it on a number of occasions in his taken a position of you know. I don't wanna do it. I'm not rushing to do it but if it becomes necessary i'm willing to consider reform and so you know that's a senator who represents a state trump won by sixteen points and cinema represents a state that biden one albeit narrowly. So she's putting herself even further to the right than other senators who have much harder political realities back home Senator reid yo came from nevada which has been blue in the last few elections but is still swing state His philosophy and frankly the way he won his last reelection race in two twenty. Ten was that you have to sort of dance with the folks that brung ya and you know. He committed to the democratic agenda. He committed to president obama's agenda in a very strong way and that caused there to be very high turnout in his reelection race particularly among the latino population in nevada Polls were showing him losing and he won unexpectedly and so. I think you know one way to approach these things and certainly mark kelly. Her fellow senator from arizona. has been much more open to fillibuster reform and other issues than she is. So it's you know even arizona's a narrow state it is possible To support the democratic agenda and some would argue even more beneficial politically to show the people who put you in office who knocked doors and donated campaign that you are going to support the policies that they wanna see an active right. Well we'll have to keep following this story especially braun love to have you back on the show to about how things play out in arizona whether or not senator cinema experiences any blowback for example for not showing up for the vote on january six commissioner going to vice. President harasses dinner. Bipartisan dinner for women in congress. But we'll stop this here for now. Ron hansen covers congress for the arizona republic. It was great to have iran. Thank you so much for having me. And by the way do check out his podcast. The gaggle an atom gentlemen executive director of battle born collective and author of kill switch. It was great to have you back. Thank you great start again. Make the thank you well. The american urge to constantly look forward and yes even as we just demonstrated right here on point can also lead to another american peculiarity. A collective historical amnesia even for the most recent events and we do not want to fall into that trap especially as this country has gone through an historic pandemic one. That's not even over yet. So we have been reaching out to guests who joined us this past kovic year. And we've been asking them to reflect on where they were and where they are now. Adrien marie brown is author of pleasure activism the politics of feeling good and emergent strategy shaping change and changing world. She joined us last year to talk about finding joy in the midst of overwhelming world events. It is absolutely the normal thing right now to be grieving every day. Like don't try to run away from that. Don't try to put joy on top of that. You can't deny feel it and then adapt like the adaptations. I'm making our idea to talk to my family. Every day i want to see their faces every week. That's as much as we can do right now. Be with uncertainty the small one step at a time. Your best bestself. In that moment that was last year we played the moment back to her recently. And here's how she reacted. I definitely feel the wave of grief that moves through me. Bet site been moving through in his still moving through in that moment and i feel gratitude listening to it. Because i'm like. Oh yes i have been in such good contact with my family and my loved ones. This has year has been a year of realizing how much we matter to each other and taking it seriously. I'm grateful that yes. That's that's feel. And that's what. I've been practicing. She shared with this past year has been like for her I've been astounded.
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"This is on point. i'm meghna chakrabarti. And today we're learning. All we can about the political past and present of arizona. Senator kirsten cinema and therefore trying to understand what the future of her party. The democratic party might be joined today by. Ron hansen covers congress and state politics for the arizona republic and as e central. He's also co host of the podcast. The gaggle is with us from phoenix at them is with us as well. As former deputy chief of staff for then majority leader. Harry reid and author of kill switch the rise of the modern senate and inevitably we have arrived at the conversation over senator cinemas defense of the filibuster in the senate and last month as she toured the united states. Mexico border and border patrol facilities alongside. Texas republican senator. John cornyn she was asked by reporters regarding her support of the filibuster s folks in arizona. Long been a supporter of the filibuster. Because it is a tool that protects the democracy our nation rather than allowing our country to ricochet wildly every two to four years back and forth between policies. The idea of the filibuster was to create comedy and to encourage senators to find bipartisanship and work together and while there are some who don't believe that bipartisanship is possible. I think that i'm a daily example. That bipartisanship is possible. Adam i believe you take exception to senator cinemas historical analysis of the filibuster i do. It's just not accurate. You know her. Her defensive filibusters has been routinely characterized by these kind of Mis- misleading statements You know the filibuster wasn't created by the framers in fact the framers were Very vehemently opposed to the filibuster or anything like existing. They were very specific that they thought that if any sort of supermajority requirement requiring more than a majority to pass things in the senate existed They predicted that. It would lead to gridlock. Just as we are seeing today It didn't exist in the senate for most of its existence. The senate was a majority rule body for two hundred years and only really become a phenomenon In recent decades so this idea that is this historic Foundational element of the senate is just simply not not true. And and it's not just me saying this. This is a widely accepted fact among historians scientists. Well can i just turn back to around here for second. Because ron Again i just want to give your podcast. The gaggle great shout out. It's fantastic. But i was listening to A recent interview that you did with senator cinema for a couple of months ago a little earlier this spring and you and your co host. Just flat out astor. She's being naive about the possibility. For bipartisanship and comedy in the senate which i thought was excellent question especially given given the the political savvy that she has historically shown we've talked about earlier show given the fact that she's got an educational Cvb longer than my arm and how so. How did she respond to the question about. Is she being naive about the possibility for comedy in the senate she is she paying that she thinks that bipartisanship still exist and that it's something that is a hard process that you can get If you're willing to do the work and that's something that i think to a lot of folks these days it just feels like it doesn't reconcile with their lived experience of contemporary politics And i think that that's where this great tension by is at the moment especially with Democratic and liberal activists net. She seems committed to an ideal that to them seems You know antiquated if not extinct. But so adam. I mean it that ideal may seem extinct. I would say for a reason because one of the things that she told in that interview that he did with her he she. She went back to her her notion about. You've got to change behavior in the senate. Don't change the rules. Don't change the historic rules. A change the behavior of the people operating within those rules but it but in but in the in the in the current senate. Where as you know. I mentioned earlier senator mitch. Mcconnell has repeatedly said his goal as it was for the obama administration for the biden administration is to simply stop to. Stop all the administration's agenda. Where are the incentives at all for behavior change in the modern senate that that's exactly right on the incentives for behavior change point into the exact opposite direction that she wants to move in republicans have enormous incentives not to cooperate with democrats and and enormous incentives to block president agenda. This is exactly what they did to president obama and i hate to say it but it worked for them it. It yielded enormous political gains for them. Sad as it may be to say that. So i think it is. It is a naive refusal to open your eyes and look around and recognize the world that we live in where republicans simply have enormous incentives not not to provide the ten additional votes. The democrats need to pass anything through filibuster when irony is that the current sixty vote threshold is in many ways blocking bipartisanship You all you have to do is look at the vote. For instance on january six commission a few weeks ago where seven republicans did actually cross over and vote with democrats. But because that wasn't enough to get you to sixty that vote failed so because of the existence of the filibuster an opportunity for a bipartisan vote to establish a commission failed you know. And if filibuster didn't exist this thing would have passed with fifty five fifty six fifty seven votes and we would right now have january six commission so not only is it somewhat naive to expect frequent bipartisanship in the rare instances where it does appear to be possible the sixty vote threshold is preventing it from happening because it's just too high a hurdle to clear right now well so ron hansen As as we played some tape earlier regarding Where senator cinema comes from in terms of her approach..
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"Later arizona passed proposition one or two which was a much more narrower focus only on lgbt and that one passed by the voters by a large margin and so we ended up losing the war in a way even though she won one battle and our concern was that she was not by not being willing to talk about the real issues right. This campaign was ultimately in anti lgbt campaign. By not being willing to talk about that she was doing nothing to advance our longer term agenda. And i think this is an issue that i would say Is concerning in that we she talks a lot you know in her book Subsequent launched on her national campaigns. In many ways it gave her a platform to talk about success and united conquer. Her book was very much about coalition building. I think are the issue that i have is that when you are working towards coalitions you have to have a common shared goal. And in this case. I would argue that the the message framing really wasn't about building a larger coalition there was larger coalition that could have been built but even You know alan maxine. Heterosexual senior couple ultimately came out and said that. Lgbtq quality marriage is not their issue. That's not building a coalition. That's not that's not a building a group of people that have a common a shared End result that they wanna see you know it is impossible to not wonder about the the parallels between the experience that you're talking about in two thousand six two thousand seven and now senator kirsten cinemas approach in the united states senate Because can't you're describing a situation where it sounds like you were. you're trying to T to convince pearson cinema that you might win this battle but you're gonna lose the war overall and then and then two years later when prop one or two did pass. Defining marriage is the union between one man and one woman in arizona. Did you ever talk to her about that. That what you had foreseen actually took place. And if so how did she respond. I did not i honest with you. between those two periods between two thousand six in two thousand eight i did have conversations with her. She was invited. And this is what i meant by kind of catapult for her onto a national stage because she was invited to speak about the success of one of seven and there were places where sometimes i would be at those events in have a smaller speaking role but my message was consistently. This is not a long-term winning strategy So night. I wanna be clear because she did win right. It was the first state to win One of these propositions so i. It's the hard thing with cinema. Because i have a lot of of admiration respect for her in many ways she is very smart and a very good strategist and she really doesn't understand how how to win. And at the same time. I actually found that. She was kind of dismissive. Right of she felt like she knew. Best how to approach things and Was somewhat dismissive of other other viewpoints. Once she kinda sets her mind to a way to achieve something while kent burbank is chair of the lgbtq. Plus alliance fund of the community foundation for southern arizona teaches social work at pima community college as well and as we mentioned he worked with kirstin cinema from two thousand six to two thousand seven as part of a group called arizona. Together with us from tucson. Today kent burbank. That was absolutely fascinating. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you. It's been a pleasure all right well. Let's turn now briefly to adam jensen. He is executive director of the battle. Born collective progressive strategy and communications firm former deputy chief of staff for then majority leader harry reid and author of kill switch the rise of the modern senate adam. Welcome back to one point. Thank you magnets. Great to be here so tell us what you think about the story tent burbank. Just told us Because he described actually quite a tactically savvy state level. Lawmaker there in two thousand six. But again you know. He had warned her. You're gonna win that the battle over prop one seven but you might lose the long term war regarding the the rights of the lgbtq community in arizona. Yeah it's a fascinating story. I i listened raptly to that account. You know and You know as i think can was careful to point out. There's there's certainly two sides to the story In it's easy to see her perspective as well as as well as his But what. I think is really interesting about the way that cinema has conducted herself. The last few months is it's far less clear now. What the even tactical benefit of a lot of the things that she's doing is to her And you know i. I should be clear that. I'm i'm a very strong advocate of of filibuster reform That's a lot of what the book is about But but even if you pull back and sort of take my own issue preferences illogical preferences out of the mix Just from a brass tacks political perspective. It's not clear What benefits she is gaining from a lot of the things she's doing. It seems to be alienating. A lot of her allies It's hurt her approval ratings in the state And it's just not. It's not clear what the constituency is for the for the type of performative bipartisanship that she seems set on pursuing. Well ron of just thirty seconds before we have to take a break here do you. Have you been able to get an answer from senator cinema about who she thinks are perceived. Constituency is in the championing of bipartisanship. She i think wants to say that. She is representing all arizona and is trying to play the game. Here recognizing the political winds can shift in a way that people don't always like well. We're gonna come back with a lot more about How cinemas political pass now continues to inform present and the present and future of her party the democratic party. So we'll be right back. This is point learned..
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"Thousand six to two thousand seven as part of a group called arizona together. Who were attempting to fight proposition one. Oh seven back then. A ballot proposal that sought to ban gay marriage in arizona. Kent burbank. Welcome to you thank you. Hello nice to be on your show. You heard ron hansen. There describe a little bit about cureton cinemas early life. Her admirable extremely admirable education Tell us about what kind of person she was when you first began working with her again in a sort of early early two thousand six two thousand seven period. Sure yeah so I i found curson cinema at that point to be kind of a transition period Where her reputation was one of being A kind of firebrand progressive I found her to be brilliant. Very politically savvy shrewd She's also as know a little bit larger than life. Insert she's fun. She's charismatic dynamic In our work together It was not without challenges We were working At a statewide coalition to try to defeat a anti marriage equality proposition. On that would change the arizona constitution. Okay so when you say is sometimes. I feel this larger than life can you. Can you describe what you mean. She is full of energy. A kirstin cinema can be. I think other people know a little. A little theatrical. She's very intentional about her image and her presentation and uses that again as you were mentioning we. We don't want to get into talking about her appearance but at the same time i think she's very aware of her appearance. How she comes across now she uses up. Okay so so then tell me more about more specifically about the work. The two of you did together what what brought cinema into the efforts to to fight proposition. One oh seven yes so. She was one of the co chairs along with a man named steve may forming the statewide coalition called arizona. Together with the goal of defeating This proposition As part of a statewide coalition. I will at that. Point was the director of a lgbtq community center in tucson and we were actually the largest in terms of staff and budget lgbtq organization in the state But we're not a political. We were a community center. Doing a lot of social services type of work is social worker and so we were working together to try to defeat this early on. There was an agreement that we would be Trying to really make this a data driven Campaign and later that became a pretty big source of contention among well particularly between Folks in phoenix on curson steve running that campaign and the folks in tucson There are large differences in the state. Phoenix is obviously the capital. It is about four or five times. The population of tucson and as ron was mentioning. It is a republican stronghold and has been for a very long time tucson's the smaller democratic stronghold and so early on they really wanted to adhere to very strict messaging based on the polling data and that polling data was telling them that words like justice equality and fairness were not going to work in arizona and they were particularly concerned that images of lgbtq people and lgbt couples were born to voters and so they stripped campaign. We called delaying the campaign. They essentially strip the campaign of all. Lgbtq references for a campaign. That was meant to try to protect the rights of same sex couples to get married correct. Yes so the the way they. They decided to strategize message. This was the the proposition at that. Time was written not only as an anti marriage equality anti lgbt But it was also an anti civil union and so what they decided to do was to focus on how it would impact unmarried heterosexual particularly senior citizens and they put forward image of a couple from south to green valley called allen maxine who would be affected by. This would be unable because they were in a civil union to be have hospital visitations because they were An unmarried heterosexual couple. Okay so can't hang on here for a second. Ron let turn back to you for a little bit of broader context about the battle over proposition. One oh seven in in arizona. I mean how would you describe what was that like. Were were activists like kent and lawmakers like cinema facing uphill battle in arizona. Yeah i think it's fair to say You know this has been one of the issues nationally where public attitudes have changed. You know in pretty dramatic fashion in a relatively short period of time in arizona. There's really not been a great track record of success for liberal or or left-leaning Ideals being embraced a at that point though it's worth noting that the state was already showing sort of In- interesting changing in the early part of the twentieth century. We see the state and acting like a passing a bipartisan Independent dieted a redistricting commission. It was one of the i do that. Around the same time. She is fighting Prop one oh seven she it. There's also an effort to raise the state minimum wage. So arizona was showing early signs of sort of open to these kinds of ideals. Not like you have a lot of success that you could point to of ways that you could just be boldly to the left and win statewide. Okay so what can't is describing though. Is what actually to me. Sounds like a very disciplined lawmaker. Who has a clear goal right. Wanting to defeat prop one seven and looking at the landscape before her across the state of arizona and saying tactically if we want to win. We may have to do things. That are distasteful to you know the very advocates who i who she was working along alongside. Is that what that sounds like. T ron and can't get your take on this in just a second. You're you're very observant magnum. Yes it does seem to be a part of a pattern that would obviously follow her in some ways that this is someone who is remarkably Disciplined and able to stay on message relentlessly down. Obviously her her pattern today as well in something that i think has marked her career throughout that there were a lot of opportunities where she might have gone in a different direction. Chased passion instead she sort of I two key her eyes on what you really want and news ruthless about trying to get to that point in even if it means sort of You know being willing to You know changed tactics in a way that might feel different than where perhaps art was initially. Well and at the risk of alienating the very people who are key parts of the same effort right. So can't what was the cost of as you describe it cinema opting to quote unquote de gay the campaign. I think the cost was really high and this is where your cinnamon i had. Profound disagreements She i wanna give her credit because her as saying her ruthlessly disciplined messaging in the end. One this one battle because in arizona. They did The voters by a small margin proposition. One of seven but the cost is this by d. Gang the campaign we the advocates in tucson An activist for all concerned that we were doing nothing to advance the larger issues of lgbtq equality. Because she she her point would be that that doesn't resonate but our point was at some point they're just going to come back with a different language and they're going to win and sure enough..
"kyrsten sinema" Discussed on On Point with Tom Ashbrook | Podcasts
"Saying why biden get this done well. Because biden only has a majority of effectively four votes in the house in tien senate with two members of the senate who vote more of my republicans back khoa arizonans who placed their hopes in cinema are mad. They call her quote missing in action when she didn't show up for vote on forming a commission to investigate the january six insurrection on congress former supporters supporters showed up outside her phoenix office in protest. Just as she would have once done. We can't paid door to door for her. That i won't do it again. I'm meghna chakrabarti and this is on point. And today we're going to look even more deeply into that long journey to understand the past the present and the current politics of arizona. Senator kyrsten cinema and joining me to do that. Is ron hansen. he's with us from phoenix. He congress and state politics for the arizona republic and easy central. Also co host of the podcast. The gaggle ron welcome to you. Thanks for having me so first of all let me tell you. The gaggle podcast is excellent. So anyone who's really interested in in listening to more detail about arizona politics. I'm gonna point you to ron's a to ron's podcast the gaggle it's very very well done ron But but first and foremost a want to play a moment from Cinemas later time in the arizona state house. This is about two thousand ten and back then. kirstin cinema was far more explicitly progressive because for example Arizona had just passed. What was then. The country's most restrictive anti immigrant law. This is two thousand ten and she spoke out about it here. She was at the net roots. Nation conference in las vegas On the radio show the uptake for people looking inside for outside into arizona. We look and see this immigration. Got past say how the heck did that happen. Yeah well the first thing. I think that folk should know is that this is not new. This is not a surprise. This growing anti immigrant sentiment has been A strategy on the part of the right for many years in arizona. And i guess my message to folks around the nation would be to pay attention to what's happening in your state look at the messaging. That's being used and be careful because if your land on the job then your state could turn into arizona. Pretty quickly ron hansen. How much of the senator kirsten cinema of twenty twenty one do you recognize in that state legislator from two thousand ten. That's a really good question. And it's a tough one to answer. there's a lot about her that i recognize. There's also a very critical elements of what is happening in washington that really sort of runs afoul of her earlier years in the legislature And that moment that you just isolated is sort of a part of when pivot with happening on issues that being handled at the state level but had clearly of federal nexus to them as well so it is a tough thing to reconcile. Especially you don't know the fuller story. Okay so let's look back a couple of years prior to two thousand ten then to start flushing out that fuller story. How would you describe what kind of state legislator kirstin cinema was in the state house. Yeah you know. If i could even go back a little bit earlier than that. She ran in two thousand two for the arizona and lost. She was aligned with the green party at the time and was a vocal member of the antiwar movement here in arizona During the bush era. And so when she gets to the legislature she really had sort of Created a body of support Among the very progressive community in arizona touches it was at that time and found herself in a legislature that has been Two day pretty well dominated by republicans. So she was in some ways Notable just by Her background walking into place and By the time she left. I think she was seen somebody who was Interested in crafty deals to make You know legislation. That could work. It's worth noting. Though they didn't arizona the legislature really never accepted much democratic input. And so you know. Democrats were always sort of shunted to the back. And and just sort of watched their their legislative goals crumble in a gop controlled House and senate so she was trying to work productively with people in the very very limited space where it was permitted okay. So let's talk more about that but just to to give listeners. Some some dates here to to frame. This conversation kirstin cinema. Oh was first elected to the arizona house of representatives in two thousand five. She served six years there and then was elected to the arizona. State senate and served from two thousand eleven. Two thousand twelve then moved to the united states. Congress i as a house member and now of course as a senator here so we've got quite a bit of time to look back on in terms of her political career but but regarding those early years in in the house at two thousand five to two thousand eleven period in arizona. Ron you just said that Democrats really weren't given much traction In republican controlled state house. So she and yet you said. She tried to to work with with arizona republicans. I mean tell me more about that where she more explicitly progressive explicitly democratic but still tried to find common ground. I think that's always been a through line for her as she. There is this search for common ground. She especially in her later. Years in the state house was Trying to work with Person by the name of russell pearce who your listeners may be familiar with. He's the one who was associated with a number of different immigration restrictions enacted at the state level Most most notably with senate bill ten seventy Which wasn't immigration enforcement law that went to the supreme court She would not in favor of ten seventy but she did try and find some common ground with peers and that was something that was in irritant to her progressive supporters. Even then there was sort of some depth made you even legitimize Working with someone as View is so hostile to some of the folks who are the bedrock of your democratic base. And you know this is something that i think was understood to be at least Somewhat political in its nature that she wanted to be able to Craft in image. That showed her as not just the person who was the antiwar activist back in the day. But someone who is a productive legislator willing to work with anybody from the start okay interesting so we're gonna come back to this in a second but i wonder if we can just spend a minute ron and have you help us understand. Sort of who. She is as a person now. I want to know that. I am always extremely cautious in trying to Measure anything about a person by you know how they present themselves through dress etc especially when it comes to women. I think there's too much attention paid to that but it should be noted that lots of people look at Kirstin cinema as sort of public presentation and want a little bit more about you know about the character of of the woman behind it. So can you tell us a little bit about that. Yeah and she really is an interesting person because there are some interesting paradoxes. That we've seen in washington the sort of I think amplify some of the questions that people have about her here in arizona and have throughout the year she was born in nineteen. Seventy six in tucson. Her parents divorced when she was a child and her mother moved. Hearner's that brings to the florida panhandle for few years. That twin in the mid nineteen eighties famously spent three years living out of An abandoned gas station She graduated from high school early and with honors. She won a scholarship to brigham..
Democrat Kyrsten Sinema Wins Arizona Senate Race
"The democrat wins Republican Martha mcsally concedes the Arizona Senate race to democrat Christian cinema after a vote recount which has gone on now for a week since the midterm election. Mix Sally on Twitter saying congrats to Kristen cinema. I wish her success. I'm grateful to all those who supported me in this journey. I'm inspired by Arizonans spirit, and our state's best days are ahead of us to