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Behind the Scenes Minis: Croquet and King Philip

Stuff You Missed in History Class

15:57 min | 8 months ago

Behind the Scenes Minis: Croquet and King Philip

"This episode is brought to you by Milano cookies. Look sometimes that long Zen Yoga classes. Just NOT IN THE CARDS. So maybe a cookie is pepperidge. Farm Milano believes. You should make some time for yourself once in a while. I know I have a particular space in my sewing room that I like to. Just take a few minutes. Every day I sit there I think about things. It's kind of like meditation and Munching at the same time. You can get that Yemi beautiful. Cookie flavor makes it luxurious and delightful and I always feel recharged Milano. Cookies are truly a treat worthy of your meantime. They are delicate and crispy with luxuriously rich chocolate in the middle. You really want to keep these just for you. So remember to save something for yourself with Pepperidge Farm Milano Dealing votes delek big boats. Do you like poor people in the rich people. They serve on big boats. Are you always like look? Goes ON BELOW DECK? Hi this Santa hosting and Nick Turner the host of decades. And we WANNA take you on a fun and goofy adventure in this been style. Podcast WE WILL WATCH RECAP every episode of Bravo's below deck and all of its spinoffs. And we're going to release an episode day so you can watch along with us and listen to our silly daily recaps listen. Two decades on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts over every year. Get Your podcasts. Welcome to stuff. You missed in history class. A production of iheartradio's how stuff works. Hello and welcome to Friday. I'M HOLLY FOR I. I'm Tracy Wilson Today's casual Friday feels extra casual. Because we're talking about a game yet we are. Have you played much okay so I did not grow up playing any croquet? I don't think I ever played any croquet until I had not moved to Massachusetts yet but I had started visiting here and hanging out with people who have been playing croquet their whole lives and there is just a lot of especially in good weather. casual croquet. Playing a bunch of us go on a vacation Every September where we all rent house together and hang out and there is a literal croquet tournament Sometimes there's some house rules or whatever but it's like a pretty standard croquet tournament. We have also had weird variations on croquet like one year. The vacation was Harry Potter themes. And so we had wizards croquet as a thing to play. Some of the group are very competitive about this but for others of US. It is more about standing around and talking with a cocktail in her hand. Yeah I When I was a kid one Christmas. We got a croquet set as a gift. And I don't think we ever like really got the hang of it or played by the rules. I'm a lot younger than my siblings. So I think I wanted them to play with your kid And so then it was kind of like my brother would smack a ball at me. And that's okay and so is never like thing for me And now as I'm older I don't tend to enjoy competitive things with my friends. It's just not fun but I was trying to come up with a way. We could invent a game called cocktail croquet that maybe involves like getting through a wicked. And you get some sort of drink associated with that we. I don't know it's still in. Its infant stages. Yes this game I making up in my head if I could add a star wars theme to it. I think I'd really be onto it. Yeah I have a feeling that the reason that we did not have a case that at our house that I know about growing up. It's entirely possible my parents add one stashed in that or something because we had other outdoor games. We were encouraged to play outside. But I think it would my brother and I would have tried to hit each other with mallets and throw balls at each other and generally causi harm but I think yeah. That's often how games play out when your kid. Yeah especially if they're rules. That seemed like homework. You're more likely to default to just injury you mentioned in the episode that you had come across an article discussing how croquet had spread to other cultures and other parts of the world and I actually had had come across one that I was trying to fit in here for a while and it quickly became a much different thing and I was like this is not the place for it And thankfully now we have these Friday episodes where I can kinda mention it. Which is that There was a particular military action that was going on on England's part at the border of India there is a lot of complex politics there which is not great but one of the things that gets mentioned in some of the accounts that were written by. The English military members were that they saw Sikhs playing croquet all the time because they had picked it up and loved it as a game but as I said like to contextualized and why they were all there together. Yeah very complex and made it about military actions and really Crappy behavior on the part of England Seattle and that was a little off. The tone of the much lighter. Long Game Fun I had in mind. Yeah and we also we talked a little bit about it about Women like it being a game that women were allowed to play and that was also a thing that was criticized in the nineteenth century. Sometimes like there were people that were like seemly for these women's would be playing this game. They should not be doing that. And that has sort of morphed into as croquet has been introduced into other parts of the world It becoming a game that has given women more freedom to play it than they have maybe had other contexts which is all really interesting if you just want to look at all kinds of paintings of women in bustle gowns playing croquet there are so many coach games very popular very popular art topic in the Nineteenth Century Absolutely it's also interesting to me that A lot of the the accounts that I was looking at there is almost particularly in the casual friendly croquet that a lot of people were playing. There's almost this subtle hinting that it was kind of a game where you could go and flirt. Oh yeah after lakes so it's one of the few because it was one of the few sports where men and women would be out there competing or playing on a team together. It offered opportunities to mingle in ways that were not really common. Yes and readily available. Which is Adds a sort of cute dimension to it. Yes folks who visit our website have noticed it does not look the same at all. It is totally moved to a new format and so it doesn't have artwork on it but we're still getting artwork for episodes in case that happens in the future so I went like on a hunt for some pictures of croquet. I found all of these wonderful pictures like wonderful paintings of women many of them in in Bustle Gowns Plan K but then there were also some that were honest spectrum between suggestive and nude that are like Postcards of Croquet Games being played in various states of undress or in suggestive poses. So it definitely has that aspect also. Listen I'm not here to judge however you if you're having fun in your bustle gown or in nothing at all. Go You croquet. Maybe this this actual spring. I will make an effort to set up a little mini croquet on my lawn. Make my husband and friends play with me. Yeah I still have to figure out a sub sort of cocktail or star wars theme to make it appealing now. That seems fence to a wider heard. Yeah Yeah so. Our second episode. This week was on King. Philip's war yes. Which had come up briefly in the episode on Paul Coffee? It was also something that while I was at the new Bedford Whaling Museum because I was so interested in. Policarpio wanted to go see their exhibition on him There was also a thing that was about King Philip's war and it jogged. My memory of having in the past previously plans to to cover King's King Philip's war on an episode and then it had slipped off the top of my mind for whatever whether so often does with so many things that we will be just on the verge of doing and then get distracted by some other topic or or realize we don't have the resources or whatever any number of derailments could befall us well and and history that is related to made of American history and indigenous nations can be really complicated to research because so much of what is written was not written from an indigenous perspective and a lot of times totally misrepresents indigenous side of the story King and there won't so that gets complicated because a couple several people as I was reading have made the point that like it was very normal for for people to have name changes at various points during their life. It seems like the colonists were trying to have it be a mark of respect by offering totally different names than they actually had but were like great leaders from history braids so like them like Philip was definitely not the name that that he was more often known by the just becomes whole big thing of how. How do you interpret the fact? That the the the whole idea that it was King Philip's war and that it ended when he died is just so is everywhere and and it like the fighting was still going on from his two more years after that and so I did not know where that idea had started. Definitely nobody who was living through it. At the time was calling it King Philip's war rate. That came about after it was over. And people were writing books about their father's reminiscences of it so yeah the fact that Benjamin. Church's book is called entertaining. History of King. Philip's war like I. I haven't read that book but that just sort of the fact that entertaining a Ha- idle leisure yes. Oh incredibly deadly and destructive. It seems barbaric. Yeah I found it. Troubling in to put it mildly. Yeah let's talk about how entertaining it is that all this suffering happened massacres and horrible. Thank you yeah. It's a non delightful. Yeah so essentially. Somebody's collection of his dad's war stories became how people thought about the framing of this war for centuries afterward one of the things that was really challenging about this episode. Was that because it was a war that went on for as long as it did and ranged among multiple colonies and and and territory that wasn't held by any particular colony at that point like the allot went on and so there were all kinds of moments that we did not talk about In terms of specific time line of the thing which is always challenging. When there's something as big as an entire war yeah well. It's it is tricky because as you said most of the narratives we have of it are written from the white colonial perspective Who it comes up in. The episode are trying to fit indigenous culture into the models that they know and understand from Europe in terms of how a monarchy worked in terms of like to them. This idea of all of these different tribes was probably very confusing and they just want to lump them together under an indigenous man who they chose to caulking Phillip Like there are a lot of of pretty obvious. Check boxes of evidence of Lake. They did not understand these people and we're trying to and as a consequence. There's almost no way that the reality of this situation was captured in the writing that we have from the the colonists perspective yeah and I think a lot of people may imagine. These colonies were kind of isolated from the indigenous nations. That were around them but really all of these had become so interconnected over basically a generation. This was happening. Essentially a generation after the mayflower arrived but the everything had become so interconnected in terms of all the various indigenous nations and their existing networks and then the colonies becoming part of those networks That there are historians who interpreted not as a war between indigenous people and a the colonies but as a civil war among all of these people who were living in the same place in this very interconnected but still somewhat separate collection of societies. You can as I said at the end of the episode. There are so many books on this. You could spend years reading all kinds of different books and interpretations on King Philip's War. It's one of the things that highlights to me. How sometimes people imagine history is like a recitation of facts when really like their interpretation and analysis of all those things that are happening and people have interpreted Various aspects of the king full of King Philip's were very differently from one another In the modern era not just going back to the sixteen hundreds and seventeen. Hundreds of. You're interested so many books you could read so thanks again for joining us. On this Friday you want to write to US history. Podcast IHEARTRADIO DOT COM. And we'll talk to you again soon. Stuffy missed in history classes the production of iheartradio. How stuff works for more podcasts. For my heart radio visit the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to your favorite shows everyone I'm Steven Hyden Jordan. Runtaugh join us. We availa new music podcast rivals. 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2.16 The Campaign of 1676

The Political History of the United States

31:08 min | 2 months ago

2.16 The Campaign of 1676

"Hello and welcome to the political history of the United States episode two Point Sixteen, the campaign of Sixteen, Seventy six. Less time when we left off, we finish discussing the campaign in sixteen, Seventy five in the first six months of the war we have seen the English largely executed incompetent were planned and missed several opportunities to at least potentially short in the conflict. This manifests at times is failures by the English to pursue MEDICOM. When they had the chance at other times it shows the English making baffling decisions in their tactics during the war such as what we saw at bloody broke or at Springfield. However. The English had into the year on a high note after claiming victory in the great swamp fight against the Narragansett. This week we are going to go and just pick right back up where we left off and dive into the campaign of Sixteen, Seventy six. Well, the war would technically not actually end until sixteen seventy eight major combat is going to wrap up trade sixteen, Seventy six. Before we move forward however, let's talk about one figure that we really haven't spent much time on. You may have all noticed that last week, we barely talked about Philip himself. This brings up an interesting point that is worthy of some discussion. We are obviously talking about an event known as King Philip's and. One Expects Philip will be pretty key figure in that war without question Phillip is indeed a key figure in the warm and he does much to help bring the other tribes together. However, it is important to realize that despite the fact that the trump's have allied themselves with. Philip. It would not be correct to really think the tribes as a unified force. Many of the tribes that were allied were only allied in the aspect that they were fighting against a mutual enemy in the English. The NARRAGANSETT for example, were not terribly interested in helping fill up any more than they were in align themselves the English, the against joined the war, not because they deeply believed in the caused the woman no, I can fill up but rather because the English had become an ever increasing risk to their sovereignty, the real enemy and sixteen seventy five was unchecked English expansion and land pressures being put the various tribes. The alliances formed therefore, we're elusive best as many of these jobs that now found themselves fighting against the English had just as much animosity towards each other as they did the English enemy. The unification was more of a matter of the tribes all fighting a common enemy rather than any love for Phillip or the Woman No AG. Following, the victory in the great swamp fight fighting largely die down as winter took over New England both the English and the Indians it needed some time to lick their wounds and regroup in time for the spring campaign season. The war would kick back into action during early March, the first major engagement of sixteen, seventy, six km in a place where the story New England began Plymouth located a few miles outside of the main settlement was the House of William Clark. The man of the house were notably absent at the time attending a meeting in nearby Plymouth discussing the war. It was there however, at William, Clark's house that Philip would begin his sixteen seventy, six campaign. The ensuing ambush on the house would see it ends fields burned to the ground. It would also leave eleven, women and children dead. While the attack on Plymouth made use of the popular hit and run tactics that we have single in so far the colonists obviously needed to respond. The response came with an army being sent to pursue the group that attacked Plymouth under the command of captain. Michael? Pierce. Pierce set out with sixty troops from Plymouth as well as twenty members of the womp no tribe who had decided to remain allied with the colonists. And now as a quick senator, I do want to mention as I've not mentioned it before that there were a number of natives who had previously converted to Christianity. Well, some of these Indians would take the chance to rebel against the English a number of them remain loyal and actually fought alongside the colonists against fellow members of their tribes. This explains why there were still want. Fighting with Plymouth. Pierce would manage to catch up with the Narragansett warriors who were suspected of the assault on Plymouth. Reaching them on March twenty six. What would follow is one of the darkest moments for the colonists in the entire war. Now before we move on here to what is going to be another mistake by the colonial troops, I want to discuss something that has become something of a recurring theme. Drinking Phillips were so far. I'm sure you've noticed the college just keep making the wrong decision pain dearly for it. I think therefore, it is important to consider why the colonists are seemingly so bad at this. The men fighting this war are not English regulars. These are not trained soldiers who fought in England. This is a disorganized militia led by men who have little to no military experience themselves. The English New England are carrying out a war without any guidance or assistance from the home islands. New England is alone in this fight. This lack of experience goes a long way towards explaining why the colonists keep making baffling decisions. The colonists were fighting the war like skilled soldiers because they weren't keep this fact in mind as it is going to go a long way towards explaining the legacy of King Philip's war a subject that we are willing to talk much more about later. Knowing this is going to help explain what is about to happen to Captain Pearson his men. When Pierce his men were just north of pawtucket Rhode Island, they make contact with a small group of Narragansett. Warriors on March twenty fifth. The battle that day was relatively short with neither side really seen much in the way of damage. Likely feeling pretty good about not being slaughtered the next day march twenty, six pierce and his men went out to cover the final distance down to pawtucket. On the way south appears came across a handful of injured. Indians. Without stopping to ask importing questions such as who are these men who injured them, and what potential pitfalls would there be from following them Pierce decided to strike. Ordering his men to pursue the injured men Pierce had unknowingly just condemned his men to death. As it turned out, the injured men were really not that injured and indeed expected that the English would take the bait. The men fringing injury led the English into an ambush. Of the Sixty Englishman who were led into the woods that day only nine survived the initial engagement. Of those nine, it appears that they had all been captured as well. All of these standard attempts to sugarcoat the massacre were made. The colonists claim that they kept the fight up for hours and hey, they killed way more Indians. However, the real answer here is that the English lost and they lost badly. It was nothing short of an absolute rout. A. Handful of the Indians who had been fighting with the English manage to escape generally by pretending to be members of the attacking Narragansett tribe as for the night survivors of the battle. These men all ended up in modern day cumberland where they would die. There are a whole lot of stories that attempt to explain how the men ended up in. Cumberland most of them telling about nine heroic men fighting against the odds. However more likely than men were probably captured and executed in Cumberland. Either way of the sixty men hood originally set out with Captain Pierce, all of them were now dead this massacre has become known to history as the nine men's misery. With English having been thoroughly routed the Narragansett warriors made their way south to providence. In the months since the war began the population of Providence had significantly shrank as the war drew ever closer. With the near again now, approaching the safety of Providence was clearly in question. Most of the residents providence had fled their most prominent resident Roger Williams remained. It has been a while since we last hung out with Roger Williams however as a quick reminder Williams held strong if not radical beliefs about native American rights. We spent episode one point twenty three exclusively with Williams. Beyond his religious beliefs, not making any friends. He also held beliefs regarding landownership that would not endear him to his fellow colonists. The prevailing theory the colonies was that the key to land ownership was improving the land. This is something that didn't really work out largely for the pneumatic Indian tribes. Therefore by applying English law, there was a ton of totally uninhabited land up for grabs. Roger Williams however disagreed with this. Williams view the land that was occupied by the Indians as being rightfully their land. It should not come with much surprised that for the colonists living in new. England. This was not a popular view. Sure enough despite being a popular figure upon arrival in Massachusetts Williams. Quickly found himself on the outskirts though that was largely due to his beliefs on religion. After being told that his welcome in Boston was at an end, Williams would relocate to Plymouth will implanted es, bows his beliefs on land ownership. This did a great job of helping Williams wear out his welcome and he was quickly booted from Plymouth. This is all part of the story of how Williams now an outcast would ended up founding the Rhode Island's settlement. This also explains how Rhode Island would become an early home for various dissenters and outsiders. If you were misfit in the seventeenth century New England new probably were going to end up living in Rhode Island. Beyond, making him deeply unpopular amongst his fellow colonists. This belief land ownership did make Williams a very popular Englishman amongst the various tribes. He was one of the few voices that was advocating for their rights and sure enough in the days after his banishment from. Massachusetts. We will see Indian tribes shelter. Williams. Drain those early days of tensions in King Philip's War Williams. Now, an old man took a role of being a diplomat attempting to keep the peace. Williams mainly focused on trying to ensure that the NARRAGANSETT would remain neutral. Roger Williams was therefore an obvious ambassador. He had been a trading partner of the Indians for years. Initially, at least the negotiations appear to be going well. The NARRAGANSETT gave assurances to Williams that they had no interest in getting involved in anything that Philip was doing Williams would write to Joan through junior, the governor of Connecticut and these set of Williams, longtime rival, John winthrop of the seemingly successful early discussions. This all occurring before the English would head their with their more heavy handed tactics towards thinner Ganz it. However, as sixteen seventy, five moved forward Williams would have obviously become painfully aware of how tenuous the situation really was. As we've talked about villages and towns, all throughout New England were being burned colonists were being killed despite Williams holding out hope that things would remain peaceful Williams had begun to realize that this probably was not going to work out. Finally on. December. Williams would write to winthrop that there was not going to be peace. This came just a few days after the great swamp fight had brought the Narragansett. Officially out of their neutrality and into the fight Williams, seen the writing on the wall and his family to the island of a quid nick where many of the Rhode Island colonists were now up as refugees. Roger Williams himself either out of stubbornness or possibly hoping that he could save providence from the coming Indian onslaught stay behind. Now seventy two years old Williams would remain in providence long enough to see the Narragansett enter into the city on March twenty? Nine Sixteen, seventy, six. Williams would watch. US. Providence became the latest town to be destroyed in the war. Among the buildings that Williams would washburn was his own house. The destruction of his home left Williams all but destitute. Despite having had such a long and complicated history in Massachusetts Williams was finally now permitted to return to the place where his journey began all those years ago. Williams would relocate to Boston provided that he kept his opinions to himself. Williams was so broke by this point that he had two requests paper from the governor of Massachusetts. Williams would ultimately end up back providence following the war. For us however, this is the final time that Roger Williams is going to make an appearance in this podcast as he would die, just a few years after these events in sixteen eighty three. So would that a big tip of the hat to Roger Williams? What nobody knew at the time was that the tide of the entire war was about to shift Thus far, the Indians really carried the day. It feels like I have spent the past episode and a half telling you the same story over and over again, the Indians launched an assault on a town kills some English, burn the town and escape before the English could do much about it. That combined with poor colonial tactics pretty much spills out the war thus far. Sure the colonists claimed victory in the great swamp fight but all that really got them for their troubles wasn't even angrier Narragansett tribe entering into the war ready for revenge though not necessarily pure victory, it was not a whole lot better. The is would begin to shift some six weeks after the burning of Providence. The colonist to this point have largely been fighting a defensive war. Now, it can't be debated if that was actually by plan or by necessity however as of the early spring of Sixteen, Seventy six, there had been little in the way of an offensive war lead. Captain William Turner a Boston Taylor prior to the war had like so many others found himself discontented with the conduct of the war to date. Specifically, Turner complained of a well known Indian village impasse Kiam Scott. Here numerous native lived and were allowed to just go about their lives. With so many colonial villages. Now in smoldering ruins, the English were anxious to repay the favor. Turner approached the Massachusetts General Court and requested permission to lead a force down to Pesky skit and sack the village. The village was inhabited largely by the elderly women and children. However, Turner justified the raid by saying that he didn't want the Indians to be able to fortify themselves. Come summer beyond that the warriors from the village had been raiding though not necessarily burning nearby English towns. Exhausted and desperately wanting to win the Massachusetts. Court approved the plan. Now. If you're wondering why the English had not already attacked the village, it's not because of some high minded feeling about attack, a group made up of women and children rather it was believed that there were several colonial hostages being held inside the village. This would make sense for the Indians holding English hostages in a village did about as much as could be hoped for in order to stave off an ambush. However by this point, the English were desperate and decided to march on. That is despite the fact that the Connecticut Colony ultimately balked at the mission. DERMER would gather up a force of approximately one hundred, fifty men and set forth towards the encampment a running on May nineteenth. The English forces managed to take a hill right outside of the village without anybody really noticing their presence. With the village still asleep Turner launched his attack. Immediately chaos broke out throughout the village the attack came with devastating speed and efficiency. Men shot the Indians as they left their wigwams others died while attempting to escape the now besieged village. At has so often been the story in this war though typically the other way around the English SA- fire to the village with the ambush complete turner suddenly had a problem on his hands. The Indians were now fighting back calling us were dine and nobody was having a very good time anymore. It was time to get out of dodge. Unfortunately what followed was an organized retreat that saw the English begin to lose the battle. Turner himself was killed during the sloppy retreat. The fighting retreat continued to Deerfield when the English were finally able to make a stand, enforce the Indians off of them. As the dust settle from the battle, it became clear that this was a major English victory. Though? English. Losses were high of the one, hundred, fifty, two left on the mission approximately a third of them are now dead the Indians suffered far more damage. The. Numbers of those killed inside of the village ranged between two hundred and four hundred. Amongst the dead importantly was the chief of the Nera Gannett counter who had been seemingly unexpectedly present in the village at the time of the attack. Captured during the battle Kennedy was given, the option of the war in exchange is life will be spared. Kennedy refused the offer he was summarily executed and his head was marched back to Hartford. Though the evidence is in great one must wonder what would have happened if Kennedy had had decided to take the option of surrender. It seems pretty unlikely that the English were going to let him walk away alive in that situation either. Despite the steep cost for the English pesky get. was there first clear victory in a major engagement in a very long time? The narragansett tribe had just suffered a very serious loss and now also had to navigate without their leader something that would significantly weaken them moving forward. What the English did not know at this point is that their victory here would mark one of the major turning points in the overall war. It is a popular belief amongst many modern historians that despite the columnist doing everything, they could to lose this war. It was always over before it began. The Communists had the advantage of weapons, armor and tactics. The Indians did have great success with their hit and run style. However, it was never going to cause enough damage to actually win the war. The English had a sizable population. So we are no longer dealing with a situation like early Jamestown or a hundred or so colonists were facing off against fifteen twenty thousand members of the powered and confederacy. The English had the manpower to stand on their own at this point. Let's not forget either at this point that the Indian tribes were largely nomadic in seldom carried with them large stores of food well, farming didn't stop during the war for the Indians. Their crop yields were obviously going to be significantly reduced. The natives inside of Pesca Musket were hungry and as is their food stores were already getting concerning low. The English attack saw those low food stores burnt and reduced nothing in an instant starvation went from being a serious concern to reality for so many Indians. Despite a devastating spring campaign to this point for the English plus all those losses through the course of the prior year, it was now the Indians who were really the tribes throughout the Connecticut region are going to fight on. There will be more offensive attacks from them. However, they are never going to recover from the loss at Pesky 'em skit an English domination is going to become the storyline of the war in Connecticut. For his trouble of leading the attack and Dine William Turner would get a town named after him for the first time in the war, we really do begin seen after this point the weakness of the local tribes, the New England Confederation Plus Rhode Island or a united front fighting against a common enemy. Sure they had their differences and all of the colonies were concerned with their sovereignty usurper in the war. However, by and large, they did stand together. For Philip? He was in command of a much looser confederation of allies fighting against the English we can sit around and debate if he had any overall command power over trump's like the Narragansett who seemed to hate him only slightly less than the English in that moment. However. What was clear is that Philip lacked the organized and united front, but the colonists had. With the loss of Pesky 'em skit Philip had a new problem. As has been the case throughout all of history. The job of holding such a loose alliance together is made much easier by winning. Everybody wants to pick the winning side of a dispute and as the Indians were causing so much havoc for the English they at least for the initial nine months of the war were pretty much in control. The, because scrambling and the Indian seemingly had the advantage. Yet as we are going to begin to see following the loss of Pesky upskilling Philip is now going to be given the far more daunting task of holding together a loose alliance and things are not going as well. The theme of the war is now going to begin to shift away from the English incompetence and bumbling to Philip trying to maintain fighting front as more and more tribes. Decide that were winning was great and all losing just isn't nearly as much fun and that it is time to get out or they still can. At this point, the war on the Connecticut Front was largely over. Skirmishes would continue however, the English were by enlarge going to continue on the offensive from this point forward in what was essentially a mop up operation. Back up to the north of Massachusetts. However, Philip was still able to hold together a increasingly distressed force. Philip and his horses would attempt to turn the tide of the war back to their advantage in June when they launched an attack on Hadley. Last week we had visited Hadley for the story of their great victory the year prior eight victory that many historians question the veracity of. However, there is no debate on the battle that took place on June twelve, sixteen, Seventy six, and the importance of its outcome. Now, just as a quick I want to remind you of events going on down in. Virginia, at this very moment. As New England colonists are preparing for a defining battle in Hadley, down in Virginia, governor Berkeley is trying to track down. Nathaniel Bacon in the early days of Bacon. rebellion. I mentioned this because I want to make sure that you have a good picture of the events going on throughout the colonies. As of June twelve sixteen, Seventy six, there is a still ongoing war New England and now Virginia was quickly descended into their own conflict. On June twelve, approximately two hundred fifty warriors attempted to launch another attack or possibly the first attack on Hadley. What ensued was a crushing loss for the Indians and resounding English victory. After a year of having their towns burnt, the English were successful at repulsing the Indians Hadley with minimal losses of their own by all accounts the English were not expecting the attack. Headley come as a surprise. However, the Indians themselves were surprised to find that Halley at become well fortified. So despite holding surprise on the attack, the English defenses were enough to quickly turn the advantage in the battle. The loss for the Indians in had the was not just damaging to their war effort, but it was absolutely crushing for the morale. For. Many of the tribes it became clear that when the attack on Hadley was repulsed, the war was indeed lost. That no matter what they did. They were simply not going to be able to overcome the colonists. The Massachusetts Bay colony realizing that they had their enemy on the ropes and knowing that Phillips, alliances were now vulnerable decided to act. The. Bay Colony issued a proclamation of mercy which essentially gave several tribes a way out of the war in exchange for a more merciful treatment when the war inevitably came to an end. Numerous tribes took this deal seeing that a was lost. Those who continue fighting were largely made up of those remaining tribes that knew that they had gone too far down the path to quit. It is worth saying that amongst those who took the offer to lay down their arms and accept English justice, many of them ended up being captured and treated as though they themselves were not prisoners of war. Ultimately many of those who did manage to find a way to escape from English custody found that they either had to make their way out of the region entirely or were forced to seek shelter among one of the remaining neutral tribes in New England. Well Phillips alliances were falling apart the victors of Hadley pressed their advantage. Under the command of Major John, Talcott troops gave chase to the now retreating NARRAGANSETT forces. Catching up to them on July second Talcott and roughly five hundred men came upon a Narragansett encampment. What followed was an absolutely brutal battle with no mercy given. At the end of the day, nearly two hundred Indians lie dead or captured. The following day another eighty members of the Narragansett tribe one in Warwick to surrender or slaughtered by Talcott. Army. The, attack on Hadley would turn out to be the last major offensive engagement for the Indians in King Philip's war. Throughout the remainder of July sixteen, seventy six what remained for the colonists was a mop up campaign. The alliances that Philip has spent the better part of the summer of sixteen seventy, five building or rapidly collapsing is trump's ben him in order to make peace. Despite however, the functional end of the war, there was still a matter of dealing with Philip himself. As long as he was out there, there was still going to be his closest allies and the woman ag fighting for his now lost cause. The war could not actually end until Philip was either captured or dead. Luckily, for the colonists they were spared from a long manhunt. By early August, the hunt from Philip had reached a fever pitch. Troops under the command of Benjamin Church utilize the help of so-called prayed Indians help track down the location of Philip. Praying. Indians have been in our story since the beginning these are those Indians who had converted to Christianity and had decided to fight as English allies rather than remain neutral or fight alongside Philip. Church received information on August eleventh that Philip was desperate even within the woman no. Again, this point he was rapidly losing support as he was facing challenges from the inside. The information. In this case, came from a member of the WOMP NO AG who decided that it will be a good idea to get out. Well, he still could beyond the information that Phillips Support Base was collapsing the escaped Indian also shared the more critical information. He told church where Philip was and where they were going. Not Stopping to just giving directions, he personally led the colonists to the location. Leaving from Plymouth and marching to Bristol Rhode Island contact was made in the early morning hours of. August. Twelfth. Church due in large part to the help from the Indian guide was hoping to spring an ambush on the Indians. However, when Captain Roger Goulding basically crashed right into one of Philip's watches, shots were fired and the battle erupted. Despite, the general chaos that comes with Battle Church and company were quickly able to spot their target. Philip tried to flee. Phillip would end up running directly into the ambush according to church in unknown Englishmen. Fire at close range but his gun failed to shoot. Well, that seems like a lucky break for Philip. It really only delayed things for a brief moment. Taking place in the ambush was John. Alderman was a praying Indian and a member the womp no tribe. Well. The gun of the colonists failed. Alderman's did not. He fired around that struck Phillips Square in the chest. Before he hit the ground Philip took another round to the chest. Philip the man who had led a bloody and violent war the per capita remains one of the deadliest in American history fell face down into the water. Philip was dead. Phillips body was beheaded and the head was marched back victory to Plymouth. The head was mounted an remained up on a post for nearly ten years. Well there would be skirmishes for some time to come. King Philip's were was generally over. The end of major combat in King Philip's war however is not going to be where our story on this matter ends. Next time we are going to come back and look at the peace settlement that is going to get worked out years later in sixteen, Seventy eight. We are going to be visited from our good friend, Edmund Andrews WHO's about to wade into new. England. Politics a position that is going to overtime to find his legacy in America. After that, we are going to begin looking at the legacy of the war in general and what it would all mean moving forward. With that I hope you'll have a great two weeks, I. Hope you are staying healthy and staying safe and I will see you back here. Next time where we discussed the peace settlement and the official end of King Philip's war.

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S8: Treasure Hunt: The Lost Treasure of Bad King John Pt. 1

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S8: Treasure Hunt: The Lost Treasure of Bad King John Pt. 1

"You don't get the name bad King John for nothing known for his cruelty English Monarch King John. Lost the original Royal Crown Jewels in twelve sixteen. Some say they've vanished others say they were intentionally misplaced many believe it to be Karma. Have you enjoyed these episodes and want to hear more? Tales of history's greatest. Mysteries subscribe to unexplained mysteries. New Episodes Premiere every Thursday. Listen Freon spotify over. Ever you get your podcasts. In the meantime enjoy tucked away in the Tower of London sit. The crown jewels of England kept in the jewel room behind bulletproof glass and monitored by armed military guard. They have been used in every British coronation ceremony. For hundreds of years there is a crown a royal sceptre and Rod at Gem Laden orb and along fancy spoon. They haven't been used since queen. Elizabeth was crowned in Nineteen fifty three and won't be used again until her son. Charles takes the throne but ancient as they may seem. These are not the original crown jewels. Those lie one hundred miles north of London in an area called the wash a massive bog that floods during high tide. Eight hundred years ago. A Caravan of Horse Carts and carriages attempted to cross this muddy plain but did not account for the tides as they undertook the crossing. The water began to rise as they trudged through growing stronger and more violent. Finally capsizing their cards. Their cargo spilled out into the bog disappearing beneath the murky water. The Caravan had belonged to King John. A king so paranoid and narcissistic that he brought all of his earthly belongings everywhere. He traveled however bad King John as he was called was not with his baggage train when it was swept away by the tide. He had instructed his caravan to make the journey without him in an effort to save time six days later. The king mysteriously died. Why did a royal procession filled with the greatest treasure in the kingdom? Choose to make such a foolish track. Why would a king so with materialism allow himself to be separated from his most prized possessions? What really happened to King John and his treasure in life? There's so much we don't know but in this podcast we don't take. We don't know for an answer every week. We investigate the greatest mysteries of history and life on earth. Welcome to unexplained mysteries. I'm your host Richard and I'm your host molly. You can listen to previous episodes of unexplained mysteries as well as all of our casts other shows. Wherever you listen to podcasts. A NEW EPISODE COMES OUT EVERY THURSDAY. You can also find us on facebook and Instagram. At par cast on twitter at par cast network and at PODCAST DOT com. Some of you have been asking us how you can help. Support the show. Well if you enjoy the podcast the best way to support us is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening this week. We're going to take a deep dive into the reign of King. John possibly the most hated king in English. History will examine his rise to power his magnificent blunders both at home and abroad and the final days of his life surrounding the tumultuous events at the wash it said that the original crown jewel still lay in the wash buried beneath eight centuries of silt protected by constantly. Shifting Natural Environment next week. We'll take a look at the attempts that have been made to recover the treasure over the centuries and examine the local theories on the treasures. Whereabouts Legend has it. The crown jewels were never in the wash at all but rather stolen in one of the greatest jewelry heists of all time King John was not a good man and no good friends had he. He stayed in every afternoon but no one came to tea and roundabout December the cards upon his shelf which wished him lots of Christmas cheer and Fortune in the coming year where never from his near and dear and only from himself this nursery rhymes depiction of a friendless lonely king. John was not much exaggerated. There is good reason why we don't refer to him. As King John. The first he puts such a tarnish on the name that no other monarch ever took it born on Christmas Eve in eleven sixty six. John was the youngest of King Henry. The second and eleanor of Aquitaine's eight children as the fifth born son. His chances of becoming king were scant and his father gave him the nickname lackland to mock him. For what little territory who was set to inherit but his family quarreled constantly. John's eldest brother William died young so when John was a young boy his two eldest living brothers. Henry and Richard rebelled against his father in a bloody two year war. Henry put down his sons uprising and John. Though just ten years old became his favourite Henry named John Lord of Ireland. John's older brother Henry died in eleven. Eighty two when John was fifteen when John was eighteen in eleven eighty five King Henry sent him to Ireland to calm tensions between the native Irish chieftains and the Anglo Norman Barons who had been granted lands on the island. Needless to say the young prince was not the man for the job. Upon arriving on Irish soil John was greeted by some of the local chieftains who wanted to pay homage to their liege. John mocked the Irish who to him looked barbaric and pulled on their long beards and ridicule. John's treatment of the chieftains lead to more of them. Rising up against the Anglo Norman. Lords placed there by John's father. Skirmishes broke out previous alliances. Were broken and John's military losses began to rack up. He had not only failed in his mission. He'd made matters worse. This was the first of many unsuccessful military campaigns for John or more accurately for John's men. John Rarely showed his face on the battlefield he could usually be found drinking and carousing with women while his men were off fighting and dying for him after the disastrous Irish campaign. John was branded with a new nickname. Soft Sword and indeed. John's favorite thing about battle was running away from it. This nickname would have been embarrassing enough for any man in power but John was the younger brother of Richard. The first better known to history as Richard the Lionheart Richard. The Lionheart earned his nickname. Because of his prowess on the battlefield. Not only would he fight on the front lines with his men but Richard lived for war. Richard the Lionheart was Henry. The second eldest living son and set to inherit the throne. John was still the third in line until eleven. Eighty six when his brother? Geoffrey unexpectedly died in Paris. Some legends say it was a heart attack. Other accounts cited jousting accident either way. The throne was suddenly in John's reach and only growing closer in April of eleven eighty nine. John married his half second cousin. Isabella Countess of Gloucester a month later Henry the second died and Richard was crowned King. John became I in the line of Succession Richards. Ten year reign as King of England was mostly spent either at war with the French or fighting with the forces of Christian Europe and Palestine against the Muslim armies of solid in. This engagement is now known as the third crusade. Richard's name became etched in European history as a warrior king who was ruthless in battle. He never shied away from a fight. John However had no interest in fighting instead while Richard was away in the holy lands. John Tried to take his brother's throne. He had reason for the attempted. Coup upon being crowned King Richard had named their four year old nephew Arthur of Brittany as heir to the throne. Arthur was the son of Richard and John's older brother. Jeffrey who had died before Arthur was born while King. Richard was off fighting in the Crusades in the eleven ninety s prince. John's sought an alliance with King Philip of France. John Tried to Richard's lands in the northern part of France the regions of Normandy and on shoe those are the ancestral homeland of the House of plant. Tajik the ancient royal family from which Richard and John descended. This might be a good place to pause and give a little bit of geographical context. Today when we use the terms England and France or the English and the French we know were speaking about two distinct cultures and nations in the Middle Ages. It wasn't so cut and dried in the year. Ten Sixty six. The normans invaded and conquered England. The normans hail from Normandy a region. What's now France? That means that the royal bloodlines of England. In the time of King John were from France. In fact John Wasn't actually called John he would have been known as gene. It might seem absurd but the king of England didn't speak English. He spoke French just like every English. King between the eleventh and fourteenth centuries the northern regions of what's now France were part of England and quite integral to the kingdom as they were the ancestral home of the royal family. But so as not to confuse anyone when we use the terms English and French Sean. This episode we'll be referring to the nations. That would eventually become present day England and France. John wanted to take control of Richard's lands and promised his allegiance to Philip King of France in exchange for the territory's Richard learned of John's treachery and returned home. Put Down John's forces and severed the alliance John had made with King Philip John Surrender to Richard and remained loyal to him from then on however his underhanded attempt to seize the throne. Antagonize the French angry about the severed alliance king. Philip attempted to take Richard's lands anyway from the time Richard returned from the Crusades in eleven. Ninety four until his death in eleven ninety nine. He fought the French constantly. He died from a French crossbow during a siege on a French castle. Richard died without an heir. On his deathbed he proclaimed that John should succeed him. As Arthur of Brittany was too young. Among his many victories Richard had succeeded in keeping Normandy under English Rule John. The unlikeliest of kings ascended to the throne in May of eleven ninety nine. His first move is king was to forfeit the lands in Normandy. Those Richard had given his life to protect. He gave them to King Philip of France in exchange for Philip officially recognizing John as rightful heir to England. His next move was to get rid of his wife of fifteen years and Mary a child in the year. Twelve hundred after obtaining an annulment for his first marriage King John Married Bella of Ongo lamb. Who was at the time? No more than twelve years old. John was thirty four to make matters worse. Isabella was already betrothed to hugh the Ninth Lebron Count of losing young in France the count had purposely put off consummating the marriage because of her young age king. John had no such scruples. Another reason John was so unpopular was that he was a sexual predator. It was widely known that you are not to leave your wife or daughter alone with a deviant prince as he was inclined to have his way with them. He fathered at least five illegitimate children during his first marriage. Two of them with wives of noblemen even in the Middle Ages this predation and forced marriage with a twelve year old was considered repugnant. And it was not without consequence. Hugh the ninth appeal to Philip. His King to take action King Philip of France summoned King John to his court to discuss the matter when John fell to show. Hugh the ninth backed by King. Philip declared war in twelve o two in an effort to make things personal hugh enlisted John's nephew and one time heir to the Throne Arthur of Brittany to aid him in the fight. If Victorious Arthur now fifteen would win Normandy and take the throne that he felt was rightfully his King John now found himself forced to fight for lands. He didn't care about lands. He had willfully surrendered to retain his crown. There were still many. Who believed Arthur to be the rightful heir and he found support in his campaign he was knighted by King Philip of France as a show of good faith but he would never take the throne. Darker forces would intervene soon into the start of the war. Arthur disappeared by all accounts king. John ordered the murder of his own flesh and blood. Some say he did the deed himself after castrating and mutilating Arthur's body. Arthur was never seen again but according to rumor. John tossed his body into a river. Attached to heavy stones Arthur's death was a defining moment in the reign of King John and was dramatized. As such by William Shakespeare in life and death of King John. This single act should have been John's death knell John's supporters. Normandy began switching their allegiance to the French Arthur's murder turned John's allies against him. English nobles had an Honor Code that forbid the cold blooded murder of family members even in times of war. John had crossed the line with the barons defecting from John. The tide of the war turned and the French push John's army back to England. The loss of Normandy was complete king. John's reign continued. But it would only get worse will see how after this short message now back to the story. For years earlier John inherited an empire that stretched across Modern Day France and contained five times as much land as had the French king himself. By twelve four he had squandered it all and his dominion was limited to the island of Britain. Johnson competence meant his father's and brother's achievements were in vain to add insult to injury. It was recorded that as Normandy fell. John was holed up in his castle in bed with his child bride. He was deserving of a nickname far worse than soft sword. Numerous kings and rulers have lost military battles. Many lost lands alienated Nobles Fathered Illegitimate Children and lead deviant personal lives but the reason history has shown King John in such a bad light is that he also made enemies of the men that right. The history books the Catholic Church when the Archbishop of Canterbury died king. John named a successor on his own. Without the pope's blessing pope innocent. The third rejected John's candidate and named Stephen Langton Archbishop naturally as John Usually did when he didn't get his way. He threw a Tantrum. He banished Langton and forced out the monks who chose to obey the pope. John was excommunicated from the church and the Pope Place. The whole of England under interdict interdict meant that England was no longer part of Christendom churches. Close their doors. There were no marriages. Baptisms no funerals. Every child was a bastard. No Center received absolution. This lasted for five years. The people of England were terrified at the prospect of living in a godless land and blamed King John for their plight. Religion was extremely important in the everyday lives of the peasantry and the king had in. There is banish them to hell. The interdict lasted five years from twelve. O Eight to twelve thirteen during this time. John plundered the unguarded church's of England and confiscated the lands of the monks who had fled to Rome. He had one goal in mind gained back his ancestral homelands in Normandy king. John had given those lands to King Philip of France in exchange for being recognized as the official King but after the war of twelve o two that recognition was revoked and he wanted his lands back as a point of pride. Besides it wasn't like his own life was on the line during war he would be safe and sound far away from battle. Naturally John Needed to raise more taxes to finance his offensive against the French. These taxes came from his barons in England which he used to hire mercenaries soldiers to bolster his army. He purchased alliances with other European leaders and even reconciled with the Pope in return. The church encouraged powerful regions surrounding France to assist with John's invasion once again. John's military campaign was a disaster. Losing once and for all the battle of bovine in twelve. Fourteen King Philip of France routed. John's Coalition Army and solidified. The French claim on Normandy. An English flag would never again fly over the European mainland. John of course was nowhere near the battle that defined his reign he was safely. Four hundred miles away letting his allies bear the brunt of the loss as John made his way back to England in late twelve fourteen. The rules and barons of the country assembled for meeting their taxes had financed the failed attempt to retake Normandy and they were fed up with. They're incompetent king. A charter was drawn up with the help of Archbishop Stephen Langton. The man whose exile led to the five-year interdict the document outlined the barons grievances but most importantly placed limits on the power of the king. The barons agreed to present it to the king and if he refused to sign it they would enter into open rebellion throughout the first half of twelve. Fifteen John and the barons negotiated terms of the charter. John did not WANNA make any concessions but the barons were threatening war and John was. Ill prepared to fight them. The two sides met out in the open at runnymede on June fifteenth. Twelve fifteen to sign what they call the articles of the barons. This would eventually be called the Great Charter. Or as it's more commonly known by its Latin Translation Magna Carta one of the tenets put forth. Was that no free. Man shall be arrested or imprisoned without the lawful judgment of his peers. This was a forerunner to the modern day. Notion of the right to trial by jury in fact it would become one of the most lasting principles of Magna Carta still preserved today in the United States bill of rights while this may have seemed like a Noble Endeavour John considered it tantamount to treason. He put his seal on the Charter to avoid a war. Stay on the throne. But he had no intention of keeping the terms of the deal Magna. Carta as we know it. Today was brought back after King. John's death updated sealed by the Pope and implemented into the fabric of English society. So while we think of King John is the Magna Carta King in reality. The document's importance in posterity had almost nothing to do with John Himself immediately after signing John began to move about the country and torment anyone who supported the rebellious barons. He appealed to the pope for support. Who excommunicated the barons and sent mercenaries to back John in retaking the country? The barons were ready. They hadn't expected John to keep his word in November of two thousand fifteen. They declared war on their king. The war with the barons started out. Well King John. He crisscrossed the country laying siege to several castles and taking back land in the north of England. That had been lost. But the tide turned when the Baron's invited the French Prince Louis to assist with their rebellion in return. They promised to crown him king. Louis landed on English soil in. May of two thousand sixteen. He rode into London and took the city without a fight at this point. Even some of John's most loyal supporters began to abandon him. His men fleeing his city falling. John was on the run from the French and his barons roaming from town to town with his enormous entourages and mercenary army terrorizing the locals with taxation and fear of death. He was even known to arise each morning and burn down the house. He slept in before moving on to the next village just because he could this period in English history gave rise to the legend of Robin Hood which is hardly surprising. The common people bore the full brunt of this war between the barons and King John. It was fought on their land with their tax dollars and it was their villages being ransacked and burned. When King John Traveled? He took his entire castle with him. His office his bedroom. All of his knights and soldiers his huntsmen and concubines miners and ditch diggers bakers and cooks dogs horses and oxen. Plenty of food and wine. The procession was well over a mile long and the crown. Jewels were the literal apex of his collection. They included crowns ceremonial swords. Silver Plates Golden goblets relics of saints and Expensive Tapestries. There was a golden plate that belonged to John's father. King Henry and the crown and Golden Wand of his grandmother the Empress Matilda of Germany. Some accounts even say that John possessed the sword of Tristram the legendary warrior. That was one of King Arthur's knights of the round table and of course as an every portrayal of the indulgent medieval king. There was a large chest full of gold coins on the eleventh of October twelve. Sixteen John and his travelling contingent were in the town of Bishop's Lynn to the east of the wash this was supposedly friendly territory as John himself had given the town. Its Charter in twelve. O four allowing the town to govern itself but John's advisor soon got word that the king should travel back west to Lincoln where he had just come from as it was assumed to be safer territory from the armies of the rebellious barons that morning. John's retinue took off for spalding. About thirty miles to the West on the road to Lincoln. Despite its enormous size the cavalcade moved at a brisk pace usually covering thirty to forty miles in a day. Spalding should have been a normal one day trek however the train only made it to Walpole about twelve miles from spalding. It stopped for the night at the edge of the wash. This would have been strange enough but there was also someone missing from King. John's Royal Party King John. Instead of traveling with his men and possessions. He went around the wash by taking the road south west to spend the night in the town of Whiz beach the next morning the train of wagons and carts set off across a causeway through the wash but there was something they hadn't counted on the tide as it came through. Water began to PUDDLE AROUND THEIR ANKLES. Then the water began to rise rapidly violently. Making it hard to walk. The ground was mushy turning into quicksand. The cavalcade realized that the water would soon sweep them away. They had to run. There was no saving the King's Caravan. It was every man for themselves. They fled abandoning the carts and wagons of treasure but they wouldn't get alive before long. The entire causeway was underwater. The treasure over two thousand people and hundreds of animals fell victim to the quicksand before we get into the aftermath of the loss. Let's take a quick look at some of the theories as to how this catastrophe happened. First Plane Ignorance King. John's men had no idea that the wash would be so treacherous. They needed to move the caravan quickly and simply took a shortcut. That was one possibility. Considering the fact that there's no record of the group having a local guide to help them navigate this unfamiliar terrain. Besides the train had made the exact same crossing three days prior in order to get to bishop's Lynn albeit going in the opposite direction from west to east if the causeway had been a successful path for them in the past they could have sincerely been caught off guard by the rising tide and the tide could have been a freak occurrence. The area around the wash has what's known as stolen tides freak currents of water that show up several hours earlier than usual and with a vengeance but even still this was obviously a dangerous path to be taking with the kings valuables. Even if they didn't know just how dangerous they were aware that risks were involved they could have taken the longer safer path. That King John Himself took. That's the most unusual aspect of this voyage king. John was not with his men. He crossed the wash by horse via Whiz. Beach further inland and much less treacherous. We don't know what but something went wrong in. Bishop's Lynn something that made King John's separate himself from all the luxuries king is afforded and take a different path. Back to Lincoln on horseback. Remember the king was at war with his barons. Some parts of England remain loyal to the king others were in open rebellion perhaps bishop's. Lynn wasn't the safe haven. John believed it to be and needed to high tail. It out of there to avoid a local uprising or an invasion. London had already fallen to the barons and the barons had enlisted. The help of the French who had already landed on English soil Bishop's Lynn would have been ideal staging point as John would have been cornered with his back to the North Sea. Another possibility could be mutiny king. John's men could have been losing their patients with their king and his fruitless war. This theory is supported by the fact that nothing has ever been recovered from the wash. Some believe John's men knew of the mutiny and grab treasure before the caravan headed out but along those lines we should also suspect the king himself. Some say that the treasure never went with the baggage train that John left the most valuable items of his collection in Bishop's Lynn to pay back alone. He then arranged for their disappearance so that his men would never know that he sold the crown jewels to pay a debt. And based on what we know of King John. He would have few qualms about killing two thousand of his own people to spare his reputation. Local unrest foreign and domestic invaders traders soldiers or attempted insurance fraud. All of these theories have a common theme king. John was not well liked and could not be trusted. Almost every person in the country including John Himself had motive to strip the king of his fortune. And within a week's time the bed king would be dead. It's quite possibly the most intriguing and medieval who done it. But who had the opportunity and the most to gain from the fall of King John? We'll dive into the mystery in just a moment now back to the story on October. The twelfth twelve sixteen while the English crown jewels and his other valuables were being swallowed up by the quicksand of the wash king. John was on the move. He traveled from Wiz Beach. Swines head a town about thirty miles further down the road. Along the way he developed a fever at swines head. John and his small entourage arrived at the Abbey where he was taken in by the monks intended. To in addition to his fever John began to show signs of dysentery. Those are the largely agreed upon facts of the story but much like John and his jewels. Legends begin to divert down separate paths according to one account while recovering its wines head Abbey. John got the news that his treasure had been lost in the wash that night with a fever getting worse by the hour John overstuffed himself with peaches insider which only worsened his condition. According to this legend John's appetite is what did him in but a darker legend tells a much different tale that night in swinestead Abbey. John may have been murdered. Though King John had returned to the favor of the church. The monks may not have been so forgiving of their king. After all he had damned his entire country for five years he sent thousands of unbaptise children to the fiery gates of hell. The story goes that the monks took him in and gave him L. But before presenting the king with his cup they pricked poisonous toad and drip the venom into the beer and it was the venom not king John's gluttony that aggravated his sickness. Whatever the case John didn't stay with amongst swines headlong two days later he traveled to Sleaford with his condition deteriorating. He wrote a letter to the pope which outlined his hope for the church to honor. His hereditary bloodline when England needed a new king. Obviously he knew the end was near and was taking the necessary steps to ensure his young son. Henry would be the next king the following day. He made his final journey to the castle at Newark. He was in such bad health that he couldn't ride a horse. He had to be carried by his men on the night of the eighteenth of October twelve. Sixteen King John of England died but earlier that day many letters had left Newark Castle stamped with the king seal whether these letters were from John himself or written for him by his men. We have no way of knowing what we do. Know is the content of these letters. These were not the ramblings of bedridden invalid slowly. Losing his mind they were specific. Coherent instructions to his allies regarding the movement of troops and other official business of a royal at war. It's easy to understand how king John's men would want these letters to be as articulate as possible with his death impending and fears of a French takeover backed by the rebellious barons. Their only chance was to beat back the insurrection and make sure John's nine year old son was crowned King. But the real question was were these letters spurred by John's worsening condition or were they the cause of his death and was the loss of his treasure. A mere coincidence or did the king's men plan for John's belongings to follow him to the grave or more disturbing. Did the Kings Caravan ever crossed the wash at all which turns are focused to a different kind of document the Kings will king authentic last will and testament has survived the past eight hundred years of war siege in plague and currently sits in Worcester Cathedral where King John was buried for a man with so many possessions. The will is surprisingly short. It could fit on a modern day postcard in its entirety. It includes a vague effort to see some of his wealth us to help the poor which would in turn help John. Soul in the afterlife but it mostly states that the men who stayed with him to the end are in charge of his legacy he lists the man at his bedside and states that those who disobey his men will quote incur the curse indignation of Almighty God and quote. There is no wording in the document which specifically states how his fortune should be doled out and absolutely no mention of his loss treasure in fact from the twelfth of October the day the treasure was lost until the king's death six days later there is not one letter sent by the king which suggested that the incident in the wash took place. There was no request to replace applies men or animals. There was nothing that hinted at the fact that one of the richest kings in history was essentially broke going off the king's letters in his final days. It was as if the baggage train had never been lost at all the only real evidence we have that the crown jewels were lost is their absence. When John died and his son Henry was crowned King. There were no kingly robes to place on his nine year old shoulders. A gold necklace had to be refitted into a makeshift crown. Eventually new crown jewels were created and used in future coronations but the originals were never seen again. The lack of crown jewels. Notwithstanding John's son was crowned King Becoming Henry. The third he was looked after by one of his father's closest confidants William Marshall who is said to be medieval England's greatest night Marshall had stuck by King. John Side. One of the few barons who did so he was with the king and his final days and saw to it that his last wishes were kept. Marshall's story will be familiar to anyone who's seen a knight's tale. He was born around eleven forty six. Ad The fourth youngest son of a minor noble. He began training as a night when he was twelve with no hope of ever owning lands or titles of his own. William made a name for himself on the jousting circuit and performed well in battle skirmishes designed to prepare nights for war. By eleven seventy the young knight was asked to join the household of Henry son of King Henry. The second this would begin a lifelong partnership with the Royal Family that would end entrenched in conspiracy. Fighting for the Royal Family was an unprecedented opportunity for a man of Williams station. And he didn't squander it. Prince Henry and William grew so close that when Prince Henry died in eleven eighty. Three William took his sword to fight in the Crusades in Jerusalem in eleven eighty five after returning to England. William pledged his loyalty to King Henry. The second when Richard. The Lionheart rebelled against him. William and Henry the second squelched Richards rebellion as. We've already covered Richard. The Lionheart still succeeded to the throne shortly thereafter. Which could have been. The end of William Marshall's career. After all why keep a night around after his fight you in battle but King Richard did not see William as an enemy rather he recognized a man of strong moral fibre. Who understood the meaning of the word allegiance he saw? William is someone who would live and die by his word and in a kingdom is treacherous as futile England. A king needed that kind of loyalty by his side after King. Richard's Death William Marshall Served King John Loyally until the day John died but loyalty was not blind. William Love John. But knew that he was an inept. Ruler bad king. John's death granted him one small window of time to undo much of the harm the John had caused during his reign after John's death. William reinstated the Magna Carta to appease the rebellious barons and led the fight to push out the French. They won the war easily wants. Diplomacy and military strategy took a front seat to John's tyrannical tantrums. Marshall went on to act as a faithful region for Young Henry. The third until he came of age for all intents and purposes. King. John's death saved England for had he lived. The French alliance with the barons would have held. John's forces would have succumbed and England would have likely been absorbed into the French kingdom after his death king. John's body was slowly carded one hundred miles south to Worcester Cathedral where he was interred. His tomb was exquisitely forged given a distinguished place at the foot of the altar. This may seem ironic for a king who had been excommunicated for a time but in his last years John had returned to the favor of the church is tomb hasn't been moved in eight hundred years. The design of King. John's tomb is ominous. To say the least it's a life like effigy of the monarch near the time of his death beneath John's feet is a small lion as if John is standing on top of it. The lion's mouth is swallowing the end of John Sword. This is said to represent John's endless wars at home and abroad as the lion was a symbol for the world. His sword is unsheathed at his side and broken. In some parts one can come to the conclusion that his tomb is representative of his situation at the time of his demise at odds with the world there is irony in the depiction of John's sword. Unsheathe as John had never actually wielded his sword in battle while he was alive though. John's life was fraught with self-serving arrogance. Perhaps the first sacrifice he made for the good of his country was his death or at least. That's what the architects of his legacy wished to imply and were possibly rewarded handsomely for their efforts because the death of King John May not have been good fortune many suspect a coup consider the events of last week of King. John's life a king separated from a treasure that he never let out of his sight. That treasure mysteriously vanishing the king falling desperately ill while in the care of a religious order letters sent by the king to the pope professing loyalty a vague will stating that. The king's closest allies will speak for him when he's gone and after his death. The king's body interred in an ornate coffin for all to see at the altar of a Grand Cathedral. It seems all too convenient that he should have met death at swines abbey through no fault of the men around him but those who surrounded. King John and his final days were his most loyal trusted advisers. After all this time had they finally come to see the turning or in this case rising of the tide who benefited from the death of King? John could the lost treasure have been down payment for the purchase of a new country one without a tyrannical despot at its helm. One where the Magna Carta is honored and the people. I'll be the wealthy landowning. People have the same rights as a king. Next week will examine this theory and see if we can find clues that the lost crown jewels were never lost at all. We'll also go on a treasure. Hunt will look into items found in the wash over the years. Items People claim were part of the treasure. Finally we'll explore the wash as it exists today and how. The geography of the landscape has changed. We'll check out the more recent findings and see how modern technology has gotten US closer than ever to finding a kingdoms greatest treasure missing for eight hundred years. If you're looking for more unexplained mysteries you can find us as well as all a podcast. Other podcasts. On Apple PODCASTS. Stitcher Google play cast box tune in or your favorite podcast directory. You can also find us on facebook and Instagram as at podcast and twitter at podcast network many listeners. Ask How to help the show if you enjoy the show. The best way to do that is to leave a five. Star Review. Cnn's Thursday and remember never take. We don't no for an answer. Unexplained mysteries was created by Max. Cutler is a production of cutler media. And is part of the PODCAST NETWORK. It is produced by Maxon Ron Cutler sound designed by Paul Liebskind with production assistance. 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2.17 Peace and the Legacy of King Philip's War

The Political History of the United States

27:43 min | Last month

2.17 Peace and the Legacy of King Philip's War

"Hello and welcome to the political history of the United States episode two point seventeen. Piece and the legacy of King Philip's war. Last week we reached the functional in defining New England this week, we are going to take the story of King Philip's war further to its eventual peace agreement in sixteen seventy eight. This week, our primary focus is going to be on looking at two major topics. I I want to examine the reasons why the English won the war and the Indians lost. Beyond the battles looking at the underlying changes is going to tell us a lot about the state of affairs in New England at the time of the war and is going to be hopeful both when we look at the eventual peace settlement, as well as the long term political ramifications that the war is going to have on New England both internally and how it will be perceived back in London. Second we are going to look at the end of the conflict itself and how that piece came about. We have already talked at length about the fact that Philip did not really have that strong of a system of alliances. Yes. There were tribes that chose to fight with him and he did have some nominal degree of control however largely, it was events outside of the control of Philip that were pushing the day in example of this would have been the Narragansett under candidate. Agains. It were never friends with a woman noack and certainly were not going to become subservient to them in any situation. This means that though the COLLINA's had disagreements, they were all fighting a single enemy that they could focus on. Philip had to deal not only with the English threat, but was also forced to address problems from his more traditional rivals. There is no better example of this event that took place in February of Sixteen, Seventy six. Philip had spent the last several months writing out of the winter and preparing fresh for a new spring campaign. With new, England been a dangerous place to make Camp Philip and his warriors pulled back to upstate New York just north of Albany where he decided to settle down for the winter. The plan for Philip was to recuperate from the Successful Sixteen, Seventy Five campaign season using his leverage to get more weapons amid to fight with him. By. All accounts all going. Well, for Philip, on both fronts. That only had he gathered more weapons but had apparently amassed an army of twenty one, hundred men to Starwood he had hoped would be a strong spring campaign. Unfortunately for Philip his success over that winter did not exactly go unnoticed by the colonial officials in New York. If you'll recall episodes two, point, five, hundred, point six, the Royal Governor at the time was Edmund Andros. Andros was understandably concerned about the developing situation Andrews had previously been right on the outside of this conflict during the early attempts by Rhode Island to negotiate a peace. Andrew was seen by New England in general somebody who could well represent their needs at a potential peace conference. This conference would ultimately never take place however as the situation in Rhode Island became too tenuous and the colony was drawn into the war. However, knowing that the English were going to be looking at him to try to broker a deal in the early peace talks it follows that does probably continued to closely follow developments in new. England. For Andrew's there was a two full need to keep close tabs on the conflict. The first is obvious and roses in New York and that is not that far away from New England should the conflict grow. There was real concern that New York could end up becoming a front in the war. Well, these concerns were primarily created sixteen seventy, five, eight years later in sixteen, Seventy six, these fears are going to become a bit more justified. Down in Virginia Bacon's rebellion would spill from its boundaries, of Virginia and pull Maryland into the conflict. Again. This is a year in the future. So Andras. have been able to fall back on his knowledge, but it does go to show that his fears aren't exactly basis either. The second thing for address to consider is the very real possibility that he was going to eventually have to get involved in the war again. Should. King. Philip's war get worse would lend order him to March into New England help quell the uprising certainly at some point, it was possible that address was going to have to send men to fight in the war beyond that. However for Andrew's personally, it wasn't at all out of the question that he would at some point be called on to negotiate a peace. We. Just discussed the fact that he was tabbed for just such a job in June of sixteen, Seventy Five. If, that is some point, the English Michael on his services again to help bring it into the hostilities. And as we are going to see later on today Andrews ultimately would be the man to work out that peace is sixteen, Seventy eight. Andrews did not just sit idly by during the war either. Drain July of Sixteen, Seventy five with New England embroiled in the warp Abbas got some visions of heading in as a portion of Connecticut or even making a move to bring all of New England into line with royal prerogative. Andress was as we have discussed as loyal as one could be to the crown you was simply stated a real company guy. Andrews therefore was completely aware of the problem that the crown had New England and viewed a potential opportunity for himself. Should he bring the often wayward colony into line? The. New England colonies were also aware that address was a potential threat and bristled at his promises to send assistance to Connecticut. Andrews. Any handful of men did actually make a move on this and set off with a few men to Saybrook which is located just south of Hartford and not the dip of Montauk in Long Island. The leaders in Connecticut were worried that Edris might try assist matters and said Captain Thomas Pool and a handful of men to address know that all is well. Andrew at his men landed on July eighth and were promptly met by bull. Bull said thank you but no. Thank you and told Anderson Assistance was not needed. As bowl was better armed andrus new lost cause when he sought e would hop right back onto his boat had back home. This is not going to be the last time that Andrews is going to be involved in bringing New England to heal. However, our story on this podcast is still a few weeks away from that. However, this seemingly minor event is something that I encourage you to Tuck away in the back of your mind it is going to come up again in the future. In the winter of sixteen, Seventy six, therefore when Andrews got were that not only Philip inside his Connie. But there were twenty one hundred men ready to fight. He would have had a very real fear that New York was about to be pulled into the war. Andrews. Had absolutely no interest in allowing Philip to walk around his colony with an army a molested. With, that being said, however, Andrews did have a few problems on his hands. I even though he had an enemy force in his territory, Andros was super anxious about going to war with. Philip. As we discussed in our episodes on New York. The population of the colony was still fairly small in the sixteen seventy S. Andras didn't really have the manpower to form a formidable fighting force. Pus. Wars were expensive destroyed infrastructure and generally threaten the stability of a colony. None of this was really sounded like a fun day for Edmund Andros. Andros however, not to be deterred settled on another option. Instead of doing the fighting, he could simply find somebody who would do the dirty work for him. In this mode and just decided to use the Mohawk tribe. The Mohawks were no friends to the woman noack and certainly were not going to be at risk of joining the fight for Philip. The Mohawks saw this as an advantage to attack a longstanding enemy. Beyond that Andrews, had agreed to arm the Mohawks for the attack for the Mohawk tribe. This was a win win situation they got new weapons and the got to attack one of their enemies. The attack itself came as an ambush and a particularly brutal one at that. Occurring in late February of Sixteen, seventy, six, the attack left hundreds dead. The estimates say that Philip personally had about five hundred men with him that only forty were left following the ambush. Other reports have the numbers larger with a large number of Phillips followers being scattered. Well, I suspect that these numbers might be a bit inflated. It does not change the fact that Philip had been dealt a devastating blow. Beyond the obvious fact that Philip had just lost a large number of his fighting force, the ambush buys supplies, raided and destroyed. Ammunition food everything they had was destroyed by the Mohawks. Based on what we looked at last week. This actually makes some sense in what we saw. If you recall despite the English struggles in March none of those losses came at the hand of Philip. Rather, those losses were all delivered by cash and the Narragansett. Philip. Played basically no part of the Indians March campaign as he could do little more than back to New England as a broken man. Andrew was playing a very dangerous game here not interested in having his own men attack Philip. He found himself in the position where he was having to arm the Mohawk. Now, if you're asking why not just attack Philip himself, the most likely explanation is that address did not want to risk breaking New York into the war. Should he attack with his Englishman? It is going to be very difficult thing for it not to be seen as an immediate declaration of war against Philip and strong New, York into a war that address did not want. The MOHAWKS and the L. Gong which the WOMP inaugural part of had been longtime rivals. The mohawks eight of the woman walks guts and they were more than happy to deliver a fatal blow against their longtime rival. The dangerous part for Andros is one of those lessons of all history that just keeps on giving. Whenever you supplying weapons to a third party. You need to make very sure that those weapons aren't going to be US leader on you. In this case it will all work out for Andrew's however it was a risk that he took nonetheless. Following the February attack on Philip, he would never personally recover. The MOHAWK had more than the colonists ever did broken the back of his army. Throughout the remainder of sixteen seventy six bill is going to remain a relatively minor player whose main role becomes doing whatever he can hold together his increasingly weak alliances. The victories by the Narragansett in. March. Probably did help him keep everything together as there still a chance of the war was not completely lost. However following the events of April May and the death of Kennedy. Victory now seemed out of reach. With Phillips Personal Army in shambles because of the surprise attack, he was fatally weakened to the point that he could no longer maintain the series of alliances and the entire structure quickly fell apart. This is all wound accumulate with the death of Philip in August of Sixteen, Seventy six. However, the war did not simply in because Philip had now died. Benjamin Church would lead a few more missions where he sought out and successfully captured many the leaders of the war who remained alive and by the end of the summer of Sixteen, seventy, six, the war in Massachusetts Connecticut, and Rhode Island was over. For them, the rebuilding process could finally begin after a brutal war. For these colonies there had been far more destruction and death than anybody could have ever predicted. The colonists had won the war however doing that, hey, come at a very steep price. Two major questions remained however as we head into the fall of sixteen, Seventy six. The first question is what to do with all the captured Indians that the English now had in their custody. The second problem was to address the fact that despite both Philippine dead in the defeat of the Narragansett the war was not actually over. For Massachusetts Connecticut and Rhode Island the were wasn't he dover? However up in. Maine. Hostilities remained will continue to flare up until the peace agreement of Sixteen, Seventy Eight, which would officially close all theatres of King. Philip's war. So first, we're going to look at what happened to all the English captives before we turn back to bring King Philip's war to its official conclusion. To say that the colonists treatment of the Indians following the war was poor is an understatement. The colonists in New England never really seemed to get introspective moment when they realized that many of the root causes of the war was their treatment of the native. Americans. And what we shouldn't look at Philip as being blameless in this situation as he certainly wasn't, it is colonial policy, an unchecked expansion sixteen, twenty one that had done so much to set up the conditions of this war following the war, the English aren't going to do any better. In? Plymouth. The orders coming down and sixteen seventy six was one of exile. If the Communists were holding members of an enemy tribe they were to be immediately exiled from the colony. Well Force dislocation is rough. It is still far better of a fate than what Massachusetts had in mind. In, Massachusetts, the decision was made towards the end of sixteen seventy six but there were two potential outcomes for the Indians in the colony. If an Indian have been responsible for the death of a colonists. Then their penalty was affixed a death. For everybody else they will be sold into slavery. We had discussed previously that there were several Indians that had remained allied with the English. In fact it was John. Alderman brain Indian who had personally killed Philip. Their reward for an alliance with the winning side was a forced relocation to specialize towns. Many of them however simply would get lumped in with everybody else and they found themselves being sold off into bondage. Even outside of Massachusetts itself, many of these friendly tribes who had fought with the English still saw their lands reduced and restrictions put upon them. Simply, put if you were an Indian you fought on the winning side, the best you could realistically hope for was a reduction in your land. If you were on the losing side slavery and death or your new reality. The NARRAGANSETT were in a bad place following the end of the war. The English. Ambush the NARRAGANSETT had been devastating. So. Many other people had died that tribe would never fully recover. The English would see nearly all of their lands and reduce them to a smallholding in Rhode Island. Finally for the WOMP, No AG, the tribe that had been so instrumental in the early years of Plymouth and the trend that had been at the center of this war saw their lands also substantially reduced. Those not killed or sold into slavery would be under constant surveillance and over the next century would largely begin to simply assimilated into the English culture in Rhode Island. Though little would ever be done to restore their labs back in Lenin. There was more than a little bit of shock at the incredibly harsh treatment that the colonists imposed on the Indians New England. King Philip's war was already unpopular in London. Harsh settlements following the war and the poor treatment of the Indians did nothing to make the home islands feel better about New England's place in the empire something that we are going to be discussing a lot more depth here just a few weeks from now. And while the war was over many of the colonies in the south. The final thing that we are going to look at this week is that last group, of Indians up in Maine who would maintain hostilities until sixteen seventy eight when the final peace was agreed upon officially ended the war. As we have discussed before King Philip's war was diffuse in nature. Just, because we refer to it as King Philip's war and he is certainly the most well known figure, his system of alizes was just never that strong. More realistically, what occurred was a general Indian. Even with Philip at the middle of a loose confederation. This means that we heard that when the war in the south ended following Philip's death not everybody just went home and quit fighting. It did for the tribes in the southern part of new. England bakes to bail out on the water in the early summer months of sixteen, Seventy six. None of them, the forces necessary to really fight anymore and the condition on the ground was rapidly deteriorating. However up in Maine that really was not the case main of his point was far more sparsely populated than what we think of throughout the rest of New England and it had generally been spared the worst of King Philip's war. However to say that, he'd been spared the worst of the war is not to say that the war did not reg- up there. The first engagements in Maine follow just a few months following the events. Swansea. Just. As really was the case for the rest of New England, the most common type of attack was a quick ambush style, hit and run. The fighting in Maine was largely carried out by the Abachi tribe who lived up in the region. Again much as we see elsewhere, they would often attack a house or to kill a few English cause general havoc, and then burn the houses in the crops before retreating back into the safety of the forest. The most notable battle to Kareem, took place at these small trading post known as Arrow sick. Ariza was described as being armed though not a traditional fort. Either way seen as something of a safe haven for the English in the region the. You, tribe however had other ideas. The English wanting to make sure that the coast was clear obviously employed the use of centuries just to keep a lookout. The problem however is that the guy the colonists pick on the morning of August fourteenth sixteenth seventy six did a really bad job at this. The. Found the century on his regular patrol. Rather than ambushing and killing him as would fit the narrative of the war the he instead followed him. They followed him around on his patrol and they literally walked into the trading post behind the apparently oblivious century. Evidence suggests that nobody locked or even close the door behind the century as the Nike Warriors strolled run into the trading post. I don't care how great your fortification is. If you forget to lock the front door and the enemy just walks right on in, you're probably not going to have very good day. The colonists inside indeed had a very bad day. Once inside the post, the avenue he attacked killing several of the colonists inside. Well numerous men would escape windows. It was clearly a bad look for the Communists who had just lost the closest thing that they had to afford. The banenky were never going to be able to hold the trading post nor did they make any attempt to? Within a few months, the English were back in control of the post though it was unquestionably a humiliating loss. While the war in, Maine would never really reach the same fever pitch that it did down in the south it would also drag on for significantly longer. As the war did Drago on North Amend against saw the situation to his benefit. He observed that the war was still going on in Maine and decided that he would try to salvage eventual partnership by offering asylum to the Indians fighting up there. Andras luckily view the Abbot. Potentially. Powerful ally once the war ended and saw opportunity to grab a trading advantage over New England. Seen how New England had begun to deal with the Indians that they had captured or hostile or not many tribes took addresses deal and made their way to new. York a move that did little to endear him to the Massachusetts officials. LA- residents, of Maine, who were nominally under the control of the Greater Massachusetts Bay colony were feeling very much abandoned by that same colony. Therefore when New York made them an offer to immigrate to new. York itself. The offer must've seemed pretty tempting. The Bay colony however was quick to rebuff the offer and refuse to allow the main colonists to go. One would assume that based on their recent history Andrews knows that this was always going to be the case. However. Andrews. Plane a long game here he was interested in growing the Duke of York's. More the same time though to a lesser extent of returning new. England to a position where they will be more subservient to the crown. Well offering passage to the displaced residents of Maine might seem innocent enough Andros was likely trying to drive a wedge between the New England colonies in the that they should separate off to the New York colony with the war dragging on new. England. Now, dealing with the practical ramifications of that war eight decision was made to have conference in Albany in April of Sixteen, Seventy seven. The point of this conference was primarily to bring the English into a Peaceful Coexistence with the year coin nation. In uneasy peace was reached with address acting in the position of the successful mediator. With cushions of Indian rights now being answered in the South by June of sixteen seventy seven and just decided that he wanted to help bring it into the entire conflict. His price for this however was going to be steep specifically wanted to ensure that Maine and Massachusetts were no longer a single entity. Luckily for Andros, the Ebonic tribe was sick of fighting and likely realized that the long term would not favor them. They wanted a way out and Andrews was the one who is going to provide that escape. Andrews was able to craft in agreement which would bring an immediate into the war in. Maine. If it was constructed in main now known as Fort Charles, and then negotiations took place. What resulted from this was a piece that was far more lenient than the bay company would have liked. Those remaining Indians being held by the colonists were to be released list property rights were to be respected at an agreement was reached or the English would make payments and corn for the settlers on the Indian land. The Abbot who really couldn't stand the new Englanders refused to surrender to Massachusetts and rather officially would be allowed to surrender to address himself. Massachusetts. Was Appalled by these conditions and refuse to sign the treaty. The Bay colony instead decided that they were going to strike out an attempt a final decisive battle. Launched on June Twenty Eighth Sixteen Seventy eight the battle to defeat the. was nothing but a disaster for the colonists, the colonial forces were dealt a bad loss anywhere. The head been filled with bad losses. With the loss on June twenty eighth Massachusetts finally relented and signed the treaty the Treaty of Cusco was signed and officially brought an end to King Philip's war. Well address would fail in his goal of quitting men away main under the nominal. Control Massachusetts for the future Andrews would eventually have his day when the dominion of New England forms. However for now, enters has done a lot to make himself deeply unpopular in New England. Something that is going to be a pretty big deal a little ways down the road. The legacy of King Philip's war New England simply cannot be overstated. However unlike we did with big rebellion. I'm not going to spend this episode talking about the legacy of the war. This isn't because the legacy isn't important or is England matter moving forward rather the exact opposite is the truth. Well, billion would have a dramatic effect on Virginia and Woodley to that important realignment of alliances as the minor planters and farmers would end up ultimately strengthening their relationship with the great landlords. King Philip's war is a bit different. King. Philip's war with completely up into the relationship between new, England and the mother country. From Whitehall there was nothing about the war that was going to make Charles the second feel good. The colonies already dangerously independent just executed a war we're not only did they not ask for assistance from the crown, but actively rejected it when Edmund address offered Charles the second needing to get control over his wayward colonies was going to take dramatic action and eliminate the charters throughout New England for the dominion. New England. The freedoms and liberties of the New England colonies had largely enjoyed from the beginning of their existence was going to be gone. At. The head of this new combined colony was the already unpopular Andros Andros over the course of the dominion of New England's history when move from an unpopular figure to one of the greatest villains in colonial American history. In the more immediate sense the war have been absolutely devastating to everybody involved. We talked about the fate of the Indians including those who had with the English. The numbers of Dead New England was counted in the thousands and we'll I cannot find any solid sources on. Indian deaths. Would assume that it was substantial almost certainly higher than colonial losses. English can't Rhode Island and Connecticut up through Maine had been burned cattle were dead farms destroyed and looted. Rebuilding would take years for the colonists. The Indians in the region were removed from their traditional lands sold into slavery and often flat out killed. The old structure of power between the groups in New England would never become what it was before the war. That is where I'm going to leave things for right now, we have a great deal more that we are going to talk about regarding the effects of King Philip's war. However, as I said, a moment ago, that is going to be something that is going to take me several episodes to fully explain. The plan therefore moving forward is that we're going to spend the next few episodes on a quick trip to the south. It is time to bring Pennsylvania into our story and we are going to spend some time introducing the new quaker colony that is to, but in a whole lot of time with William Penn himself. After that, we are going to return to New England and pick our story up as we watch the English reaction to King Philip's war. This will lead us into the dominion of New England and everything that comes along with it. So. Without you back here in two weeks time as we turn our attention to bringing Pennsylvania into the great game I hope that you'll have a good two weeks that you are staying healthy and staying safe and I will see you back here next time as we introduce the Pennsylvania colony.

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THE MOTHER Olympias

What'sHerName

49:58 min | 9 months ago

THE MOTHER Olympias

"This episode is sponsored by girls can create girls can't create is a unique subscription box inspiring girls to believe that they can be and do anything. How do they do it like us? Girls can create believes that real women make the best heroes and every month they deliver him to your doorstep. This episode is also brought to you by our patriots sponsors. Let's start Andrea Smith. Caitlyn Blanche Shantelle Oliver Jamie Long and Mandy Rob and Virginia Booty Katie Hi Lydia. Have you ever had a mama bear moment. No the classic to your child rage. Asia irrational at the stereotypical do not hurt my Baby Jong touch my yes and it was. Is it confusing one. Because it involves older sibling hurting younger sibling. Oh yeah so. You like raging against your own baby bear protect your other baby bear. So what does it mean that we call it that that reaction is Mama Mama Bear. Why do we frame it that way? Why do we have this narrative? Why don't we have father bear? Oh why isn't there daddy. Bear your moment because father bears. Don't stick around good point protecting the cubs from father to eat them. But like there isn't a phrase that we have for that impulse in a father We've definitely marked this as a biological response response of only mother. Yeah maybe because we think mothers should usually be nurturing Sweden kind and then they're so awesome Momo's will flip the switch and they go bonkers and that's the justification for this otherwise feminine behavior. Yeah maybe right interesting I think now I mean we talk about Mama bear moments but the other ways that we talk about and very supportive. Protective mothers are not great In our society we have helicopter. Tiger me have tiger agom. Yeah we have now snow plow moms who just plow over every opposition to give their child a yeah completely legally trial free life. Yeah these are not laudatory phrases and we don't we don't approve of this way of mothering anymore anymore. So is this a modern way looking at mother's I mean we. We often talk about this that the narrative goes MOMS. These days just won't won't let their kids grow up. Yeah they won't cut the apron strings not like the old days when mom's let their sons be men but is that really true. I think in the short term narrative. We we're often talking about the good old days of the Nineteen Fifties Fried that the people saying these things are looking back to their own childhood but historically speaking whatever mother's been what our mothers four half and obviously as soon as we think about it for ten seconds. There's not a narrative mothers do and are four. Yeah it varies wildly in time to time and place to place and I would argue that. The women that we're going to talk about today was an outstandingly supportive mother. Perhaps the poster mother four supportive mother. This is probably the main thing she's known for in being a mother is the mom of one of the most famous people ever which is not necessarily. Don't as good mom it's just a mom. She is the mom and maybe a negative mother. And I really interested in why that is what are the standards standards around mom ing And maybe this is just me projecting. Now that I am sending my son's out into the world has taught put that I'm feeling this really hard. How do we pray how we talk about mothers? Yeah and particularly secularly in the ancient world so given these hints mother of one of the most famous figures of the ancient world. Oh do you have any guesses about who we're GONNA talk about. Well you narrow down for me and myth ancient world do mean like classical world world classical world ancient Greece Ancient Greece famous mother ancient Greece. Well so she's mother of the most famous one of the most famous people ever. Let's go with Alexander the great smother corrections and that's what's Alexander the great smother. Yeah Olympe Olympia Olympia Olympia. Ah Yes olympias. This story is odd because in many ways much like gunnhild your last episode another woman famous for being a mother we tend to cheer refer her now based on the very same things that historic male writers were writing In order to make her the bad guy yeah the very same characteristics that they're demonizing are what it makes us like her now but trying to peel back. Twenty three centuries of propaganda and character. Assassination is tricky right. It's hard not to swing too far either way and really the goal. If you're doing history. The goal isn't as Jeffrey. Richie said in our minds episode another villain. The goal isn't to judge. The goal is to understand exactly. So that's what we're GONNA try and do today cool. I'm living nickel and I'm Katy Nelson and this is what's her name fascinating women you've never heard of now for this episode. I decided to do something in a little difference in the grand tradition of the crossover episode. Oh today we're talking to the host of one of my favorite women's history podcast. We're talking to Kate Armstrong. Oh who I hope our listeners already know yeah. Hey the explorer the X.. Florax hi I'm Kate Armstrong I'm a writer a nonfiction book editor and I- produce a podcast. I called the express which travels back through history to find out what life was like for women of the past. She's the greatest I know you and I. We're both big fans now because Olympia is famous for being a mom that unfortunately means we. I don't really know that much about her childhood. Yeah or her life pre mom. Her life is sort of presumed to begin at the moment when she marries King Philip the second of Macedonia as with most ancient Greek women. Exactly especially especially when you're talking about the ancient world and women H at world. We just know so little. We only know about these women because they're footnote in some great man's story and so we don't have a lot to go on an awesome. It we have to go on. Is You know these. Ancient writers had a clear agenda. Sometimes that agenda was look how virtuous what a good mother this woman was and look how good her son turned down and she never complains and she never did anything. She wasn't supposed stew and everyone should want to be like her. or it's the cautionary tale where the woman is stepping out of line. And then doing things. She's not supposed to do see what happens when a woman gets ambitious. See what happens. When a woman starts scheming everything falls apart? People are dying left and right and Olympias most definitely falls into that category. Luckily because she is a princess already we do know. Oh a bit more about her than usual like we know her name except maybe we don't. She's born around around the year three seventy five BC. Her Dad is king of Malaysia in northern Greece and their family is very proud of their pedigree. Her family are called the kids and they claim that they're descended from Niu. Thomas Alma the son of the Warrior Achilles and Andhra McKie who was once the wife of another famous Trojan Warrior Hector who is abducted and essentially essentially forced to be any of Thomas's wife. That's a pretty good origin story for the time. Maybe not quite so great now are modernize those were the heroes now as we said if listeners know anything about Olympia's they know that she is Alexander. The great small. If you know anything else about her that she liked to play with snakes I like a lot and that in fact she liked to sleep with snakes. The story goes hustle and that she may have had an affair with Zeus. The God of lightning. Oh yes of course. And that's the story of Olympias for those who have heard of her at all. That's what we know. Cool amazingly there is more to her than that. Wow Olympias was the mother of a great man and she's painted with this broad-brush as calculating cutthroat colds vicious and she was some of those things but she was also a a fiercely loyal and dedicated mother. She kept her son alive in one of the most cutthroat courts of the ancient world which is a feat in itself off. She was very passionate and she was very ambitious but she was also deeply loyal deeply loving and willing to do anything for her children. Anything for her family. She was a brilliant politician and tactician. She was incredibly skilled at diplomacy at court politics and international politics at negotiation at building allies. She's fantastic war strategist well. She is phenomenal at PR. Both her own and her sons she really understood the power of symbol. Oh and story. She's everything you want in a leader. She's the seven habits of highly effective people. All in one exactly and all of the things that we're deeply prized in ancient Greece. She checks every box of what a leader should be. Except she's this girl you know. We call Alexander Alexander the Great because he was this mighty conqueror because he went out and he took what what he wanted. No matter the cost Olympias did exactly the same thing and in fact he he became the man that he became because of her but when we talk about her were there things to demonize he is Alexander the great the leadership skills the complete package. He is the perfect perfect man but it's her actions that make that possible and his actions that we praise are just mirrors Her actions she's not fearless. She's devious ah she's not a brilliant strategist she's an untrustworthy schemer Weber. She's not an outside of the box. Thinker she's deviant and so her story gets told a very different way for for example. The thing that wikipedia believes is the most important factor for you to know about Olympus. The second sentence in her wikipedia entry is that she was a devout member of the borgias. Stick Psych worshiping cult of diagnosis. That is all right thing that they really want you to know. Crucial information devout many Colt not just a member. Devout vowed member. I see of the orgiastic snake. Worshiping cult. I'm that explains everything. So we can just cast her aside. Jeez as the deviant sex maniac everything else about her and his obviously says a lot more about us now and about the men like plutarco writing about her four hundred years after she dies. Yeah then it does about her. Narrative is the one that we're living in. wikipedia is is where most people are going to encounter history and it matters how she's framed there and I'm actually GonNa try to remedy that and work on her and I encourage encourage our listeners to learn to edit wikipedia and help get more women's stories on Wikipedia to begin with and told better awesome. So here's what we do know her name when she's born is probably pollock. Zenia policy near her hometown is not what we think of. When we think of women in classical Greece to your average average Athenian the wild mountainous region of Paris is almost this barbarian backwater? They barely consider it Greece at all. If you're a game ame of thrones person this is kind of like comparing king's landing to winter fell except perhaps even more extreme it's rugged it's isolated. It's this this semi wild west of Greece. And so that's the Greece Olympia grows up. been it's comprised of clans that are kind of like Scotland's highland and clans. They're proud their territorial. And there's this really really strong warrior culture and because there are essentially a border state between southern Greece and places this is farther north like th race and Lyria these places that have these really really strong warrior cultures where both men and women participate in war Olympias his father is a guy named Nia Thomas and he is Melas came and Kate Armstrong has actually created an amazing NCAA woman centric map. Yes of Ancient Greece. It's so great that helps locate these people so check our website links to at checkout Oliver Amazing maps timelines. They're fantastic. We also know that Malaysian women enjoyed a lot more freedom than their southern counterparts. So in Athens women can't vote they can't go to symposia. They can't go out on their own. They need a male guardian to conduct any business they do. They don't have have a lot of rights in the public sphere whereas Malaysia women can own property they can act as guardians for minors and they once they become adults they don't have guardians themselves selves. So while Greek women in the South have pretty much no voice in government. The monarchic system in Paris makes room for royal women women to step in and actually play more active role in governing but the thing is that these tribal monarchies are far from being stable kings. Don't exercise absolute power if they do a bad job. The tribe is more than ready to tear them down and put someone up in his place and such just. Because you're a princess it doesn't mean we're going to stay one and there is no rule of the kingship passes automatically so staying in charge charge means knowing how to make alliances but you also have to be really good at war and strategy so that's the world that Polisena grows up in. She's getting in this daily education in power how to win it how to hold onto it and what it feels like to lose it early in her life. Her father is forced was to share the throne with his brother and then her father passes away leaving her uncle. In control he marries one of pollock. Zena sisters is named Troas a little bit of uncle niece loving classic. And you know he probably does this. Because he thinks it's going to help cement his lineage and the royal family. We don't know how Polisena feels about any of this. We have no super secret diary. We have no idea but but I can only imagine that. This is an unstable time for her. She's a teenager her place in her uncle's household in the royal family's a bit tenuous and and because it's ancient Greece. She can't just pick up and leave to forge her own tough and her own career. She knows that her best chance to make a name for herself which she clearly wants. It's to do is to marry well so because home is messy Polisena decides you know what I think go. Oh join a colt. You know. It's probably a common reason why people join cults even today so in three fifty seven she sales to the island of samothrace which is between Macedonia and troy. It's a religious center where are pilgrims go to seek protection and where people participate in mysterious and sacred rights and while both men and women participate in these colts. Religion in ancient Greece gives women an important role that they don't find anywhere else so women can be predisposed. Women become involved in specific specific festivals. There are some festivals in ancient Greece. That are all women. Men Aren't allowed. It gives women an avenue to claim some power and some importance that they wouldn't have otherwise one of these popular culture. Macedonia is the cult of dyonisis. Who's the God of Wine Revelry and drama which suits Olympias just fine? We don't know a lot about what goes on in the colts and what kinds of rituals they had because they were very secret. We know that Olympia gets involved with the cult of Diana Isis. Quite heavily and that she introduces some new and exotic of magical practices. I really like the way. plutarch explains it in his characteristic sick fashion. He says Olympia. Who More than the other women strove? After these inspirations carried out these frenzies more barbarically introduced to the celebrating groups. Great Tame Serpents. Who often raising their heads from the IVY wreaths and baskets or twining around the wands and garlands of the women astonished and terrified the men and it seems to be there that she gets a new name? Oh Murtala which is Myrtle sacred plan. It is also on Samuth race that she meets King Philip. The second. ooh This guy is a really interesting character. He's born royal but he's the third in line so really he wasn't ever meant to be King of Macedonia but then his oldest brother was assassinated by his mother's boyfriend and his other. His other brother died in battle. So those two facts ax tell you pretty much. All you need to know about the royal court at Macedonia and what. It's like entering the cosmopolitan court in. Malaysia is kind of like being thrown into a pit. Hit of vipers. This is not a place that's going to be less messy. No ben where she came from but she has the skills to take it on. Okay it's also a very warriors centric culture so in order to be a good king you also need to be good at war. Philip proves this really early on by putting down all of these pretenders to the throne. This guy is smart. This guy is ruthless. This guy's a conqueror by by nature. But she is one hundred percent his match and a he appears to have noticed. This is a story according to plutarch of love at first sight and while that's a lovely thought that they saw each other in the hallway kind of went head. It's a lot more likely that the meeting was plans and it was struck very much on purpose. Fill up once Malas help in fighting the invading lear INS who were always is causing trouble and we can imagine that her uncle wants the prestige marrying the Macedonian. Royalty will bring to the family but everyone everyone who writes about these who talks about this as a very fiery passionate relationship. She's not getting pushed around Um by Philip. What did she look like? Do we know she looked just like Angelina Jolie. Obviously I've thought so. Yeah Yeah we do. We have an image of her from a coin from the time. So Oh you know as much as a coin tells you what someone looks like which is not much but it's it's it's beautiful. We have a picture of it on our website so Murtala is married somewhere in her teens. We're not sure exactly where. And she travels to Macedonia Sedonia. But if she's hoping for warm welcome in her new city and a relaxed honeymoon phase. She is going to be disappointed. She Marries Philip the second second as his fourth wife Oh Macedonia unlike Greece is polygamous and especially king's just kind of collect wives as they do. Yeah but this isn't a harum like China or Turkey or other places that we might think of where they women are cloistered together in one the area where they're ranked is in very obvious who is in charge. There isn't a chief royal wife there's just everyone fighting mm-hmm for their piece of the Pie. So ancient sources describe her always as vindictive and jealous of Phillip's many other wives and his lovers offers because of course he also lovers. Some of them were female. Some of them were male. The Macedonians were not overly fussed about that but he he had a lot going on her husband. I don't think that she's vindictive and jealous. I read her as a woman with ambitions WHO's not interested in pretending to be anything other than what she is she someone you either love or hate. It seems the people who follow her follow her without hesitation. They'll follow her anywhere but she also has a lot of haters and not only only hastert try to win and keep her husband's attention if she wants to get ahead but she has to negotiate alliances. She has to scare any enemies into submission and the number one thing she needs to do is that she needs to have a son. She and Philip overjoyed to have a son together. But I can imagine and as Olympia looks down at her son in her arms she understands his fate is for ever going to determine her own she lives in a world where royal l.. Mothers are only as good only as powerful as their sons and what their sons are able to achieve. They have no choice but to hitch their wagon to the man in in their life Alexander's half brother. His slightly older brother is a guy named Philip. Eric he's born to another one of the wives plutarch. plutarch tells us that at some point this son seems to lose some of his mental faculties. He he struggles some kind of illness and he's never the same afterwards And when it comes down to who did this who made him sick. PLUTARCH doesn't mince words. He says his mind became ruined when he was poisoned by Olympias. That seems unlikely to me. If you're going to poison him. Why not just kill him? Yeah but of course. These stories are nothing. Nothing new in Harem politics accusing another wife of harming king's son is a pretty good way to put people on the outside this son Being ill equipped to take the throne is awfully convenient as at this moment Alexander is the only other son. The story goes that Alexander's Alexander's father is not actually King Philip. The second Alexander's father is actually Zeus. Yes he is in fact Demi God of course which not only means. He's unstoppable and people shouldn't try to oppose him. Because you don't WanNa make Zeus angry angry but that she was chosen by the God. This is the best adds to her prestige as well as his and we don't know if she's the one who starts circulating this story or if Alexander is the one who start circulating the story but to me it has they all of the hallmarks of an Olympias production and of course nobody can disprove this storied. And how are you going to prove that. It wasn't Zeus another brush with the Gods in her bedroom room comes later. Olympias has had two children a son and a daughter and the king comes to her bed and finds lines sneaks in her bed. Philip of course is freaked out by this but not as one might think because because there are snakes in his wife's bed that's totally normal. Apparently the problem is maybe these snakes are God. Oh maybe this is a god in bed with his wife and disturb them sure. That's that's some clear thing. So Oh he leaves her alone and he decides. That's it no more visiting Olympia. Says by chamber for me. Okay now how. She's no longer burdened with more pregnancies. More babies she can put all of her effort into raising two children that she has unless Zeus comes knocking again unless Uis comes knocking again but apparently he did not okay if this is also a Olympias production. This is very clever. Yeah she has established her boundaries without ever having to actually push back herself. Yeah cool against the king either way weird and one of the things that she becomes known for snakes in her bed cool and now let's pause for a word from our sponsor girls can create a Katie. It's almost march and you know what that means women's history month. Yes so I really wanted to encourage our listeners to check out our fantastic sponsor girls can create because with girls can create. It can be women's history month every month and just like us. Girls can create subscription boxes. 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So exactly I like like the image of Olympias claiming that name is her own having it be something she takes on herself to show her own power reminding people who she is and who she knows. Alexander lives with his mom at least until he's six years old. She is very involved involved in raising him in teaching him. He is raised on the stories of these heroes. That are in his bloodline. The important the powerful people from whom he comes And this destiny that he is born to you so while we don't know a lot about what she actually does. During during this period the fact that Alexander grows to manhood the fact that nothing bad happens to him the fact that he never gets shoved aside for other children says a lot about her fierceness about her savvy about her ability to keep her son safe which I think is really impressive. I don't think she gets enough credit for that and it works go. This training of this future hero works and he becomes his father's darling. Alexander's father is gone a lot. He's really busy. Expanding Macedonia's borders warring warring with other nations essentially making Macedonia the biggest power that the Mediterranean had ever seen really so by sixteen Alexander's doing well he's doing in great he's commanding armies. He's fighting off leary while his father is away. He's making Olympias very proud. And it seems like his ascension is assured and then in three thirty seven Philip decides he's going to get married again and this time he picks Macedonian woman and this is a major threat any children that this Macedonian woman gives birth who are going to be home town envoys. Alexander might be a hero but he's only half Macedonian And Olympia very concerned. And she's proven right pretty quickly. When in one of the worst for other of the bride drama moment set a wedding ever? Everyone's drinking everyone. Everyone's having a nice time. The father of the bride makes some very loud and off color comments he called on the Macedonians to pray to the gods for a legitimate Heir to the throne so Alexander apparently jumps up and throws a drink in analysts face so outraged by this slight. This is the soap opera wedding. Yeah Scandal Hey. And in that moment instead of defending his son the King Philip rises drunkenly from his seat and points. His sword awarded Alexander in front of everyone. This feels very game frenzy as well except instead of killing everybody. The Olympia and Alex decide you know what fine. If we're not wanted here will leave. And she and Alexander self exile back to her hometown. Really this is a very bold and unexpected move. Yeah she isn't one to let anyone threaten her power or her sons power into publicly. Call it into question. This is what I mean about. She is outside of the box walks. She is thinking lots of steps ahead on the chessboard. I think she really understands the power of a power move who've That she is raising herself and her son above this uncouth behaviour half and she is going back to where she's appreciated. She aided eventually Phillips. The error of his ways realizes he's chased his very capable grown son away and he invites them both back to court. The gamble has paid off and she is back on top then. Everything blows up again. Dan When Philip is very publicly stabbed by a guy named Pausania one of his jilted lovers everything erupts into chaos consistently. Macedonia is without a almost immediately. The whispers start circling that it may have been Pausania who wielded the knife but of course it was Olympia. Who pushed him to do it again? We have no idea whether she was involved or not. I suspect not. Her son was back in Phillips Good graces. He was the clear next in line for the throne that she had a lot of reason to kill Philip other than Philip. Philip was kind of worst regardless. Her son is now in charge and as his mother. Olympias is in a position to wield a a lot of power prefers she and her son to cement their position in this court of as plutarch puts it great jealousies terrible hatred and endanger everywhere. So they start taking out anyone they see as a potential threat and this is when Olympia STAS one of the most brutal controversial show things I suppose that she ever does. She has Phillips Latest Wife that Macedonian Cleopatra and her infant baby killed there are a couple of versions of how she does it. Maybe she burns them both. Sit F. O.. Maybe she. She kills the baby in front of Cleopatra and that forces her to kill herself no possibly she sends her for a variety of suicide options. Another says Olympia Sends Cleopatra Three things a rope a dagger and a vial of poison and and lets her choose the way. She wants to go out somehow. She disposes of these two. Maybe they died of natural causes and it's all a- plutarch smear campaign it could be totally could be but also this viciousness par for the course for this court Everyone is doing this kind of thing and definitely Alexander has done infinitely worse things than this but the way that this entire interaction is framed by plutarch by all of the male writers later. They want us to believe that this killing is revenge because this woman dared to marry King Philip Nonsense this is a strategic power. Move to protect her son and his kingdom. Yeah I mean it is. Of course it's bloody it's cutthroat it's the ancient world right but it's not personal it's business but of course when a woman does it has to be personal it has mostly driven is Feminine Raid Jealousy was slighted and of course women could never strategize. They just react yeah. This is a woman who possibly arranged an entire maybe. These snakes are God's scenario to shoo her husband away but we're expected to believe that she murdered a baby because she was mad at this woman. Just it doesn't panel to me. This isn't the way that this strategic warrior woman women works. This is protecting her son. This is consolidating power. Doesn't make it great. You know I'm not a fan of these actions. So she does that. They nullify all the threats and then by three thirty four Alexander's replaces King of Macedonia. Pretty well assured and that's theo that he prepares to write off on his big decade-long adventure turning himself into the guy that we now call Alexander the Great. She watches him right away. Not Knowing this the last time they're ever going to see each other her. I think about this moment and again. This isn't a moment that really gets talked about a written about. But you just imagine that moment kerr standing there watching her son on. She's poured everything into so much. Love fierce protection everything. She knows everything she's learned has been put into do this. Boy Who is now a man and she's never going to see him again. So Alexander Rides off. Does many things back back home. She's not the region she's not running things but she's pretty close. She's taking the plunder he sending back in and making offerings for him. It places like Delphi and Athens. She's writing diplomatic letters to members of state into other regions. She's making sure that no thrown pretenders are going to take advantage manage of Alexander's absence. She's giving gifts to foreign leaders so she's not acting as regent but she is maintaining the status quo and she's really leaving leaving the chair open for when her son comes back then I think at aged thirty two alexander the great dies he dies in the field he dies mysteriously he dies suddenly everything. He's built the biggest empire. The world has ever seen is thrown into absolute chaos. And what Kate Armstrong Calls Alexander's Royal Brose his hangers on his group of close friends and generals in warriors are instantly fighting over his empire and Olympias realizes she wants to hold power. She has to put all of her energy into protecting acting her grandson Alexander's infant son and maintaining his place as Alexander's successor ruler of this empire tire. Rather than letting everything fall apart does help the culture that came from Helps explain his is famous last words that he leaves his kingdom to the strongest and then he dies. So that's always been excited as these famously disastrous last words like why just say who has errors but he so famously loved and celebrated celebrated as Macedonian culture. He's Macedonian about it everybody grab for it. Yeah his mother and his human father. Both both are really strongly enmeshed in this idea. That strongest person rules. Yeah and that. That's what's best for the world Olympias believes that. What's best for the world is that her grandson is in charge? And so she fights with every ounce of her energy gee and her skill to make that habit basically the next several years are going to be taken up by what's called the wars of the successors so this is when all the Royal Bros.. There are all kinds of battling it out for. Who's going to be the next Alexander who's going to take his place so Olympia goes to work immediately goes on for years? And then one of Alexander's commanders. Basically says Olympiads. I want you to come back over to Macedonia to take care of your grandson now. She's no dummy. This could be a trap She's not going to walk right into this but eventually she goes but a force has been brewing to go against Mr. So again we have the two camps. We Have Philip era dais and all the people who are backing him to take the throne and then we have team Alexander's son. Filiberto has gotten married. Need to woman called. You're a dicey. She's the daughter of a woman named synonymous. WHO's an incredible woman all in our own SONANI and her daughter basically basically decided? We're going to get you married to Phillip Davis and we're finally going to take this room but Olympia that's and her. Supporters are having none of it the two armies meet in the fall of three seventeen at the Macedonian Malaysian border. So we have your indices army and Olympia says army coming together for the final showdown offer this empire. Though no neither of these women command the forces per se. They are most certainly riding at the head of them. You're a dicey dresses in full Macedonian battlegear ear but Olympia chooses to deck herself out as a worshiper of dyonisis her absolutely brilliant understanding of who she is and what she means to these people and she shows up dressed as a goddess essentially. She is this fifty something grandmother of this infant king and she is every inch the VIC. Greek goddess that they expect in full Regalia on a white horse at the front of the battle and I love imagining her. A strider horse hair whipping in the wind staring down this enemy army ready to go all in for this last bid for power. Wow reminding these people who she is and what she stands for that Eurydice his entire hire army quits joins her side. So without even having to Fight Olympia says one the day. What do you think that really happened? Even darker hates our guts says it happened. Wow that's the way to win a battle through effective costuming I mean the UN. I heard one hundred percent get into that kind of warfare. If it comes down to commitment accurate costuming I am there so at this moment. She has more power than any woman in the entirety of the Greek world. In charge of the Kingdom and in charge of Alexander's and she had just stuck with that Oh things might have been okay. She Has Philip Era Dais stabbed because we have to get rid of that guy and she lets you're a dicey dicey choose her own death which ends up being by hanging. which is the death of choice for royal women of this time apparently if she had stopped up there perhaps things could have gone differently? But she doesn't stop there she decides to kill this guy. CASSANDRA WHO's another one of the Royal Bros.. Who she it has a grudge with? She decides to kill his brother and she defiles the tomb of another one of his brothers. In revenge for Alexander's Alexander's death. So then she kills one hundred Cassandra's friends. This is not a great move. It does not make her a lot. The friends in the Macedonian court is this behavior any worse than any of the men around her not really but because she's a woman in charge and it's just something that Macedonia cannot allow and she loses the things she has fought so hard to gain that goodwill and respect of the people and it's the end of Olympias Cassandra who's very angry rightly so very angry about what she's done comes riding into town and only bs just doesn't have the supporters at this point to be able to fight him so oh she has to essentially surrender and sadly he puts her to death in three sixteen and we aren't quite clear how she dies. There are several stories. The the one I liked best comes from Justin who gives her a little bit more noble drama. He says she goes out to meet the forces armed against her in full Royal Regalia. When win the crowd sees her there reminded of what God is she is and that she's Alexander the greats mother they are so struck with what she stands for that? They can't kill her. None of these people who have been sent to end her reign will do it. Really and eventually CASSANDRA has to hand pick relatives of the people. She killed To come and kill her because no one else will do it. It and she dies with her Chin up like a warrior and as Justin has it you could see Alexander even in his dying mother as horrendous as many of the things that she did are I do have a grudging respect for her. She thought literally to the death for her family and nothing was going to prevent them from having and every opportunity that she could fight and claw out of society for them. And though I I definitely we don't admire that in mother's now. Yeah I can't judge her. Yeah I mean it is true. Those were the times. Is this how you mother in third century BC agrees. We don't know and I mean no one can say that. She did not love her children. She was a dedicated mother. We know that the last he loved his mother. According into one ancient writer he said he wanted to consecrate her immortality to make his mother God just like become huge thanks to Kate Armstrong at the explorer press. Make sure you check out our podcast. It's phenomenal. You can find her wherever you listen to podcasts. Or at the expo arrest PODCASTS DOT com. If you WANNA learn more about Olympia's visit our website at what's her name. PODCAST DOT COM. You find links all kinds of resources and information and also to cates on two part episode assode diving even deeper into the life of Olympia and the world she lived in. We highly recommend it. You can also follow us on instagram twitter and facebook where we post is lots of photos each week. Music for this episode was provided by Michael Levy and Tyler Cunningham are fantastic patriots sponsors for this episode our Church Church Andrea Smith caitlyn Blanche Shantelle Oliver Jamie laying and Mandy Rob and Virginia Budi. 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S3E2 - The Lioness of Brittany - Feminist French History

"You guessed it pressure points. I'm D. This is AJ. We're coming at you with season three episode to the lioness of Brittany. Find us on Instagram and twitter at points Oh pressure. It's going to get saucy at one am over here. Hello, everyone what the fuck was that intro? We're not lying about being an so. That's probably why. And Alcohol on board. So. We've been yeah. Goodnight. Play Video Games. Yeah, but some video games I sweated my literal Dick off. was left on the drive over. Yeah you immediately walked into my house and said. I'm going to take shower. Just beat face with. High thought he was going to pass out. So with my my absolute trash car, this is why everybody should just do their best to pay us by now. Just civilians. Yeah, it's the go fund gofundme. Launch go fund in its. Get this motherfucker car so when I drive on the interstate it. By the thermostats fucked up so usually. What will happen is the air that's coming into. The engine will cool it just enough that it doesn't overheat long-driving, but when it's a hundred and three goddamn degrees outside. It's Kinda hard for my my. Cool itself off on the drive I hate that you called it the when I'm on interstate. Well, fuck it whatever I'm old So driving over and after it takes like forty minutes to get up here. So on my drive I'll turn on the for the first half. Turn off the second half because I mean things like a million fucking degrees and when been. So, Five minutes into my drive. All the sudden, it's just like I started. Feel Nice and cool and I look at my temperature gauge in. It's like like fifty degrees hotter than it should have been like. Now I turn off the senior for like thirty five minutes. PSA for anybody wondering. Don't leave your D in Car with the windows up. He does not do. NOPE, he doesn't so. Oh, yeah, mentioned the part that you can't roll down windows windows, either this this will be changing by the end of the summer. Just overruns aware. Yeah, whether or not we're sponsored going to go fun de goods through or not you. Boy will have a better car, but Yeah can't roll down my windows. One of them is. Anybody lives close to me and they come rob my car I'm GONNA be pissed 'cause it's taped up. The thing is shit on. So what are they gonNa do take your Mason, Jar, you, boy, you know that's not in there anymore. Finally moved it out after a year finally fully moved into my apartment with the one remaining mason jar that I lost the lead to so I tossed it. Oh, so make it. It made it up and went straight down, said a better place now. The dumpster. God. Better than your apartment. No, my apartment's nice now. My old apartment, no not so much. Trash that's that's where all my money goes into my new apartment, not your fucking. It's a penthouses on the top floor. He end the financial district. Yeah. Right next to public transportation where all the trash stays. Where people! Don't think masks and do anything's Yeah God dude. Such. Still Thinking about that I, love it. I just I know it's going to happen again. No I know I'm going to run into some dip shit that. I should share my opinion. Please don't I don't want to talk to you. Wasn't things. I don't want to do today, see you. Late this is going to be a good one. Good thing he's not going to be a little short. Yeah, it was good one. I gotta go to one for you today. Like I, said the lioness of any, so I asked you earlier. If you know what the Hundred Years War was. And you said no, no, I said. What do you know now much? Okay me neither, but I know enough to get through this episode. Perfect I'll start googling fun facts about one hundred wiki. Competing. Hundred Years War real quick. I'll just jump in if I find anything. Good good so. Quick background. well, not even background. These are just two main characters. In this episode. He got D age. D and AJ and that's it and we're telling our life story. WE'RE GONNA go up talk about my past trauma again. In fact, one Hundred Years War actually. Lasted for one hundred sixteen years. Fuck Off I. knew you're going to correct the years. There's a first and a second hundred years war to. That's not what I. It's probably. They hit one hundred years in. There were sixteen. We'll this second part sixteen years war. We'll just loop that in with hundred yeah, so. With the Hundred Years War it was. Like spite between two families, and they were battling over the area France but there were a lot of little mini battles. And kind of like. conflict between other families as well because houses would take stances against other houses and it just it was a total cluster. Fuck over there. So. The lady that I'll be talking about. Today is named showing croissant now. She wonderful, thank you. I worked really hard somebody. Somebody. Study this guy a metal you got this. So. She had grown up in France. She was born in thirteen hundred, and she was the daughter of a nobleman. She was a daughter of but like I. Don't remember what I really. Well Croissant is not heard like maiden name, so she's the daughter of a maiden, a fucking nobleman sorry. It's late. And when she was twelve years old, she was married off. And that guy, he just fucking died. She got married again at Twenty eight which I'm assuming back in thirteen hundred dislike. Get this crusty old bitch Mary. Yeah, that's a fucking Cougar, so she got married at twenty eight, but the family she married into. They like the whole family, not not her husband. They were like. Hey. We want to protect the family heritage so the a node the wedding. Like. Within within a year was really fast. They're all. All Yeah like Mary her for so that we can create alliances, and then as soon as it happens, are all oh well, actually, we just. We really want him to marry his cousin. Because we still of believe in in sexual relationships, and we want to keep the the family heritage alive, so peace out Chen. So. Two years later. She gets married to Livia. Who is? Libya croissant is the. He's the nobleman over like he's in France, so they have five kids together. And Olivier. He during the Hundred Years' war, like I said before there's a lot of. Like weird little conflicts that go on. So there was the Brenton which is, they were fighting over Brittany which is an area that's on the North into France. It's like the North West end close to the ocean pretty close to the English Channel that kind of area so. and if I fuck up, geography I. Sincerely apologize anybody that was suddenly affected by it. So therefore, they're involved in this whole. Which Family should have control over? Britney and Livy being from France. They said you know we side with France and the problem was that Olivia's extended family for some reason cited really heavily with England. Okay and so they were pissed. They're like. What are you doing? You're going. You're going against the name. You're going against our family So he kind of was already. Being pushed out a little bit, but at the same time, because the rest of his family was all about England. The France side that he supporting their like this dudes fucking. He's a sneak like he's a sneaky little boy. They're like we know that he's just going to be sending shit to his family so. WHAT THE FUCK! Sorry, my notes are really weird. Right here while you're figuring that out. Here's a fun fact from. God where who was his name? Historian David Greene author of the Hundred Years War of people's history. Here ready. There is an account of the French mooning a detachment of English. Troops during a campaign led to the battle of Cressey. Say that this so enraged, the English that they launched an ill advise attack on a well defended position and were beaten back with heavy losses. And the next time, use cue me in five minutes or so I'll see if I have another one hit you because you're not paying attention to my whatever no, no, not at all speaking you listeners. This is the Real Conversation About Joan of ARC. So I just wrote down the following year. Even though I guess I never really took down what year it happened. I have no idea. I'm usually really good about them so Levian. His commanders were captured in a battle that The English supporters had rated in on. And they had gone into this whole battle. Livia gets captured with his generals and everything and. They. Like Pull them off to the side and they say hey look. We're able to make an exchange. If. We get one of our big guys back. We'll give Olivier back. And they were like an. We'll give a little bit of money because. Like alleviates royalty, but the amount that they were willing to pay for Livia was like really really really that they were asking for Livia was really low, and so people were like. Doesn't sit well like they should be asking for more But they were, it was just one of those weird things where people are all all like he should be worth more. He's probably giving them information. So. people assumed that what alleviate done is it when he was captured, he basically just laid down toward. It was like. Oh, no, take me. They were like he forfeited to easily, and so he's a traitor against the French side. And so he was like not it's not. That's not what it's about so they signed a truce over Brittany. and. The French site is like Hey, alleviate. We're going to hold this big tournament so come to the. We'll all celebrate like drinks will be. Had will eat the head of a pig. We'll do some fucking thirteen hundred nobleman stuff. It'll be fantastic. I assume there's some jesting I'm. Attorney, punches of mutton mutton on it's it's basically what's that oh? I had a great joke, but I ruined it because I can't remember what it's called no more late recording for us. No, no, it's where you you go. It's you go have dinner and their people jousting. Yes Oh a tournament. Whatever it's in California. If you know what it is like doolittle renaissance fair the Rene Song. It's. It's like a dinner. Like dinner experience where you go, they say. Would you like the Dragon, hunch and then in parentheses, this has. Chicken leg. Medieval Times. It's called medieval time. Oh okay. Yeah, you can go and like. Here's your. Your mead and it's like Pepsi. You'll bevis mood. Sorry Sidetrack! No, you're fine. I told you to fill in time. So. He goes to this tournament with a bunch of people and shows up. Everything's Dory running just fine perfect. But the show is, but I will might help us out worse. He gets ambushed. Know what you mean to tell me. France ambushed him so. He gets ambushed locked up thrown in thrown in prison and A lot of people were upset about it because. He was a marshal of France like Any of you that have seen game of thrones. No I know that's why I said any of you, not you. So. Imagine the hand of the king. How that's really important. It's basically like the guy that advises to the king. Obviously alleviate wasn't on that same level. He's not like terribly terribly important, but he was kind of idol. He's part of the politics in France and all of a sudden. King Philip I. Set Philippe. Fill of King Felipe paying veep. King Philip just flips and captures him, and they have a really really really fast trial. Hardly even trial. They basically just capture him. Bring him out into the square. Chop his head off, and they like. Read him his whole charges and everything they like. Oh, you admitted to being a traitor you admitted to. Like four fighting this battle, and he never admitted to those things he like they didn't get it in writing. There was never a trial like yeah, she shows up. They're like. Hey, this is what you did and just chop his head off now. They hang his body on the highest level in Paris just as body. His head is sent to know which is four hundred kilometers away like okay, that's a symbol. Yeah, it's. They put him on opposite ends of France now where they put him in on is like he's close to the ocean. It's called a civil talk. To or whatever fuck, but it's basically a gate that's by the ocean like a. what's the Word Call Gate by the see? A seagate essentially yes, so his head is being displayed to people that are coming in from different countries that are like for goods and services and everything like. Order the yeah, these basically just his head is hanging there and they're like. Hey, fuck this guy in particular. Don't be like him perfect now. The treatment that they had done like splitting his head, sending it to do different places, and displaying like that was normally for low class criminals, low crass, low class criminals. So a lot of people were really shocked about this. They're like there wasn't a trial. He didn't admit to anything, and then they treated him like playing like a peasant dirt. Yeah, so a lot of the the aristocrats nobility were just like what the fuck is going on as it's going to happen to me now. This isn't what we invested in. Can we switch to the English side? You certainly should not on what happened to alleviate. And Cheers Tasty what? The way! It's a horse's neck so as Cognac Georgia. It's the horse's cock. Nice it's Cognac Ginger. Ale and heavy whipping. I won't be. Actually will be your last I. Only have a little bit of the brand new left, and it has a little bit, Aladdin it. Yeah I keep stored in a in an antique vintage leaded glass to Kanter this is good so leaks leaches into the booze over there so based on our previous episodes. Aggravated assault charges later. Yes, definitely. All right so Jen. Over vs wife is, she gets word of all this like obviously, she's kind of seen a lot of like firsthand. But she goes back to her. And she says like she takes her sons. And she takes them to not and they. She takes them to see the head to say. Hey, look like this is what this country has done to your father like. They say as bad. This is bullshit, so she's furious with the execution, and she actually was very vocal about calling it a cowardly murder. She was just like hey. Fuck you. fucking, fuck the police. Yeah, so the. Like Wall. She's there. She swears revenge on on France her chest like she's like. This is the only husband that has been good to me. That's actually survived up until now. He's given me kids. This is ridiculous so. She goes back, and she sells the cleese Alma say estates. And with that money, she hires men. After! She goes to England so. She Celsius states goes up to England with all of our money. She convinces the King of England who I believe. It was King Louis the third She convinces him. Hey, give me three of your warships. I'll give you some money I can find men really easily. And just give me three of your worships. He's like okay, so then. She says a little bit of walking around town money. And She. Ends up getting three ships, and she paints him black, solid black, bad ass sales raise with read. The sales are dyed red. Okay, bad ass now. Her flagship is the coolest fucking part. The flagship is called my vengeance. This lady is an ultimate, ultimate, bad ass, Holy Shit and who has style. Yeah, now mind you like. She didn't just show up to England she's like Oh. Gummi ships like this is cool like. Hook a girl up. She earned the respect to get this now when she was heading up to England. Before. She got all these ships. She had purchased some down of France and they took over in destroyed a castle and bone. In boats okay. She took over a garrison and Gallois and massacred everyone, but one person only ship now. This? Was Her signature move and I'll get more into that later. But. She would go into areas and kill everybody but one guy. In Man, she goes to Chateau to bow, which is a manner now manners out there like the shadows back then was it was this like Fancy House that they would still put guards around, but it wasn't like a castle. The garrisons were like. Essentially like a fort. And then so she just goes all three. She's like hey. I'm just GONNA hit. In big, three real quick. We're going castle. We're going garrison and we're going chateau and. She just. Destroys the nobility inside. And then she went to King Louis and gave herships. Here's like. Unit what yeah now. Okay? She's already created a name for herself. King Louis was willing to work with. He's like yeah, yeah, like by all means if he wants ships fucking go for it. What do you think that she named her fleet? Her three warships says she got his. my vengeance to know fact, it's called the black fleet. Reading, through this house. Is ultimate bad ass so. She starts patrolling. The English Channel Now. I don't know if it still is but back then the English channel will get really really foggy. which I think is beneficial. To a flat or to a ship? That's all black with red sales. Yes so I could see how that would be a slight. Right thing so. She just creep back in this fog. And they would hunt French ships in the fog. When they would get up to the ship, because the French at the time I mean starting out. They didn't really know much about it. So she creeps up out of the darkness. She gets really close. All three ships just cruising fast as fuck to this friendship. May Stop them and hop on board. And they decapitate every person on board, but one person. And they tell him tie him up and they say. You'RE GONNA. Take this information and you're gonNA tell them. The, chins coming for King Philip. And this guy, he just watches like hundreds hundreds of men around him, just booking slaughtered. Now. It wasn't just like. Oh, they would go in made like. Just. Brutally decapitate everybody know. They were take the captain's. They would take the nobles that were on board. They were tie them up. They would kill the rest of the crew except for the one guy. And then the nobles and the captain's. Gen would go up. And she would decapitate each of them. Personally perfect with an ax. Her. Reminds. Reminds me of INGLORIOUS BASTARDS Leave the one. The one Nazi with a swastika carved in the forehead hell. Like a woman scorned or Gender could song yeah so. They'd tell this guy. Go. warned your French king because we're coming for him. Then, they would loot the entire ship. They would take some of the supplies back to England, and they would also take some of his applies across English Channel to English troops, so they're fucking over the French taking their supply supply themselves with what Janice taken. and. What's left back to England just like her perfect his finger. Yes, she's just like hey, y'all can suck my Dick. Like get up on this? Click 'cause you can suck. You ready for a fun fact number to me with a fun as a great one. So during the Hundred Years War the development of cannons and gunpowder weaponry started to show up in get more use, and during I think it was fourteen thirty one Philip, the Good Duke of Burgundy, fired four hundred and twelve cannonballs into the town of Lagony and succeeded only in killing a chicken. A love it. So we we. Will you commented on. This is completely off off. But kind of like the whole, just terrible aim so AJ had commented on a post of another podcast, and said hey look great What email or any war were of Australia nineteen thirty six believe I looked it up because I was like what the fuck is that a thing? Yes, so the statistics the degrade EMU war where there were ten shots fired per immune killed so. I'm going to guess it's a good thing that Australians don't have any guns anymore because they had fucking alterable anti-arab. They lost that war we should. We should do an episode on it. So. It's Hilarious I'm. I I want to go more than just wikipedia deep on this one I'm trying to find out a journal like a personal journal of one of the people who is acting. And said it was nineteen, thirty, seven, thirty, six, thousand, nine hundred ninety s, so this should be some journals floating around it just yet to crawl through a lot of archives I mean. Maybe it was just them getting their practice. Firing in the world worked. was actually all the World War One vets saw. It, so it was so funny if you haven't read about it, don't read about it because we'll. Do an episode on it really soon this season with if not within the next couple of episodes. So back to so. On board this is this is something i. read that I was. Really surprised by but I'm like Hue feminist. Pieces Shit I. Love It so anyone on board. That raped a female. Raped female captives. They were put to death perfect. However. If it was consensual, the man was beheaded, and the woman was thrown overboard with leg weights. Now I was confused when I read about that I was like what why like why would you do that? You're. Consensual is right. It was a prisoners, yes, but. It was the belief did sexually frustrated? Pirates are much more brutal in battle so she sets a precedent with like three or four dudes. Everybody's like. Yeah I'm not hitting on the female prisoners anymore. And then they're just like. They got that Boehner RAIGAD. Everybody's had that. They're not. They're not getting turned on by women getting turned on strictly by Battle, and that's a fucking murder, of yeah, it was. Reading that it's like Oh my God. Dude like dislike. Be New quits. Jesus Christ so. She had supported the English in many battles during the Hundred Years War. It was expected that she hid attacked over a hundred ships shit and she killed over three thousand sailors. That is quite a chunk of troops. Did like. And I mean I'm sure that there's a chance that. Those numbers are kind of blown out of proportion. There's a chance that it's all just bullshit. But. Bike. Based on the accounts like they were a lot of people were tying in like a the fact that this happened the French the fact that like they had lost a lot of their ships. Things lineup. She's not just some. Figurative slows spooky. Spooky pirates that were running around at the end. A lot of people were saying hey. Based on this evidence that it's likely that this lady really did do what they're saying she did. So. During one of the battles. My revenge or sorry, my vengeance. was attacked. and. Ship is completely destroyed. She basically has like this little boat. She takes one of the boats out, and she gets her two sons on. By the way the other. The other three had died like previously, it was thirteen hundreds. What do you expect time? was like the life expectancy was like forty years Max. So. It gets attacked. She takes us little boat with her. Her youngest son and oldest now her youngest son died to the elements case. They were out there rowing back to England. For five days and five nights God damn. Her oldest son Olivia V. he he was younger, but he was still like in the battles at the time He ended up becoming kind of an ability within England and Scotland and he was known as. The butcher. Just because he was, he was award beast ninety. Who Yeah think of his mom was yeah, she was swinging around help. People without frigging hard on time. She's like you're not going to have sex with anyone one because that's Christian and that's what England is all about right now and to I will not have that done on my ships. Later on. He actually survived two assassination attempts when he was in his like sixties and that guy, he was nuts. So he was her only living child after her youngest son had died. Now she gets rescued and she's brought back by English supporters. and. She had been a pirate. Or she had been running like the English Channel just running amok for thirteen years. Holy Shit Yeah I do that is. A lot of death. Yeah, she was going crazy. So. Let's see yeah. I've already gone over that but in thirteen fifty six was when she she hung up her pirate cap hung up the the hatchet axe that shines. Pitch you finally took off? The patch was like hey, both work And she ended up getting set up with nobility in England and she lived out her remaining days in what was then. English controlled an English controlled town in Brittany close to the coast. she died in thirteen, fifty nine, but. There are some people is kinda where it's like. ooh Folklore! Yeah there are a lot of people believe that she still haunts the halls of Clawson Gasol. is she still to this day running amok in there? Because, they screwed over and. To the Max so, what you're saying is we need to. Within a GOFUNDME, the ship us to do a live. Twenty four hour livestream podcast. Go Fund DNA J. Yeah. J. And we can go there and Go see some some read. Ghost hunters. Why not. We'll start a reality TV show sponsored by sci-fi. Some some horribly embroider genes. We're just GONNA with the pockets this right on the pocket, so we're going to dress in drag. Look like Gen all time we'll just call out. We'll call out. We're gonNA live remaining days. We're ending the PODCAST. We're just GONNA. Live there and haunt people for the rest of our lives. All man forget so anyone. That's interested I got some of this information in my girlfriend loved it. 'cause she's. She loves his feminist stuff. I'm going to get hit for that one. it's cold. Rejected princesses, which sounds Kinda lame. You like the okay, but you go there and they have these like story books like picture books that are just super bad ass, so though we're not sponsored by them. You should check it out because I was. I. Read through a couple after his out I was like Oh. This is this is cool as So check him out. Yeah, they'll be back. You'll be using them for. Oh, you jazz like you. You guys better be ready because I'm going to do a lot of bad bitches back. On a number. Two notes bad bitches to clarify. Doing notes on I'm doing it latter bed bitches on episode. On. On on the episodes now that's bad ass, dad, you'd like I. Three Thousand People Beheading People that doing that total worship Jaji. Oh, man, so I heard about it because I was laying with with my girlfriend were linked. That was weird. I was just like an amber alert something. That wasn't even lower area. My roommate is he's listed me. He's listed me as kidnapped. I just cut. I just cut. Aj's headset helped me play. Begets so laying there with my girlfriend and she had pulled up some video unlike Tiktok in this girl has just like Oh. Gender Croissant like give a quick overview of her micro keeps watching this like she keep scrolling through, and I'm over there just like frantically typing down the name searching I. Need to do an episode on this lady. She just insane. But Yeah That's all I've got. Yeah that fucking bad, she magin latte during hoses, the thirteen fourteen hundreds on a ship, a having three ships, and killing so many people at the same time like visions. This is a lady. Yeah, like it's not just some regular peasant check. It's a noble woman. That's like hey. I'm celebrating bloodshed and you're not. GonNa do a damn thing about it and she was thirty. When she started like essentially already on his woman was into the, she was like forty when it when she started pirating. Christ, so she was already like. Super Old for the time. Yeah, but like imagined she, she basically proved herself to King of England, She just slaughters like these castles garrisons whatever goes to the King of England like. They're not gonNA. Try to stop her because she's already destroyed. Cat like she's just GonNa kill more. Yes, they're like. No, you don't get to see the king. It's like. I'll get to see him whether you're dead or alive dude yeah. Whether you, escort me there or I, escort, you're dead. Body there turbo. Matt's crazy. It was cool to read about so I'm definitely going to be doing more on on those like. Bad bad women, bad bitches, ed beaches So. Yeah, thanks for two hundred and watch out for that heat. And, keep wearing your masks. Please just fuck sake keep. Wearing your masks if you don't wear them. Just us you have to. You have to play. Its do can listen, but just start looking handrails start. Kissing people randomly at the grocery store if you aren't wearing a mask because. We don't want you. Nobody does please please for the love of God where your masks wash your hands, practice social distancing. We'll make it through this together I. Swear I know it's going to suck, but you're not suffocating. Yeah! Really though find us on instagram. Twitter at points Oh pressure, keep in mind that are merged door is still running. What was it? 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The Story of Ancient Dogs

Dog Tales

37:20 min | 6 months ago

The Story of Ancient Dogs

"Picture a human encampment. Tens of thousands of years ago for these ancient people. Each day was a struggle. In addition to the of getting enough food to survive they have to worry about attacks from neighboring settlements all being mold by predators in the night surely wolves posed a significant threat with a keen senses and pack hunting tactics. They could easily catch a person unaware but at some point one of our ancestors realized that wolves didn't have to be our enemies. They could be our friends with a little patience and lots of food. Ancient humans were able to transform wild wolves in two domesticated dogs with these trusted companions. Bhai their science. They could feel safe and secure and eventually as more organized societies began to emerge dogs took on an even greater role they were protecting more than small individual camps. They were protecting entire civilizations. Welcome to dog tales. Apar- cost original every week. We tell the stories of historic heroic canines. We'll profile dogs. Sue Safe people from earthquakes when to outer space and even spurred the invention of Velcro. If you're looking for fun stories warm heart you're barking up the right tree. I'm your host Alistair. You can find episodes of Dove Tales and all of the podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever. You listen to podcasts to stream dog tales for free on spotify just open the APP and type dog tales in the search bar at all costs. We're grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at par cast and twitter. Ads podcast network and if you enjoyed today's episode the best way to help is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening this week with telling the story of ancient dogs would be discussing. How dogs became the beloved companions. They all today as well as stories of dogs like Peritas and Sota Canines. Who made such an impact on ancient history? They're still remembered thousands of years later though. We can't know for sure. The general consensus is the Cubans domesticated dogs to help with hunting and protect us from outside threats at a time when day to day. Survival was a challenge. Having a dog bio side offered a significant leg-up as societies evolved. The relationship between humans and dogs evolved as well a twelve thousand year old tomb in Israel contains a woman buried next to her puppy. Though we don't know the circumstances that led to this burial it's fair to say the little dog probably meant a lot to her and nothing proves the progression of this relationship more than the invention of the dog collar callers represented ownership and identification. They meant that dogs more than prize companions. They were part of people's families. As with many pioneering elements of human society don't call US probably emerged in ancient Mesopotamia a golden pendant found in the city of oral from three thousand three hundred BC depicts the dog with a color around its neck. Meditation Dog served as more than physical protectors and beloved companions. They held divine importance as well. The Mesopotamia's feared lamarche to a terrifying deem notorious for killing babies to protect themselves from this vengeful spirit. Message pertains would prey to color. The goddess of healing Gullo was often depicted with a dog most likely because people noticed wounds healed faster after dogs. Lick them when young mothers prayed at night they called out for God's protection from the mash to but if failed to save the child she and her dogs wouldn't abandon them in the Mesopotamia M- Pantheon dogs were tasked with accompanying the deceased to the afterlife. No matter what dogs were always by a person side in this life and the next the Mesopotamia's love of dogs was mirrored in other ancient societies around the world. The Egyptians also sold dogs as not just physical protectors but as loyal companions to. They gave them leather. Callers bestowed them with names like brave one reliable good herdsmen north wind and antelope but not only jeff sessions with people. It seems one was unfortunately named useless but those did love. Their dogs went the extra mile to show it by fourteen hundred. Bc Egyptians were giving the dogs inscribed colors with copper or bronze studs. It was a physical representation of the deep emotional bonds and this connection when all the way to the top of Egyptian society in Nineteen. Thirty five. Egyptologist George. A reisner discovered a large inscribed gravestone within a tomb near the Great Pyramid of Giza dating. Back to before two thousand two hundred. Atpc the white limestone tablet described the burial of an unknown. Farrow's beloved dog who boutique you gravestone. Read quote. The dog which was the God of His Majesty is His name. His Majesty ordered that he be buried ceremonially that he be given a coffin from the Royal Treasury Fine Linen in great quantity and incense his majesty also gave perfumed appointment and ordered the tomb be built for him by the gangs of Mason's His majesty did this for him in order that ubt you might be honored before the Great God newbies. Although dogs were commonly buried with ceremony in ancient Egypt such an elaborate entombment was unprecedented. It was more appropriate for an important nobleman than for a dog food boutique to be given such an honor. He must have been extremely important to this pharaoh. Unfortunately the tombstone had been taken from another tune to build. The one reisner was excavating. He was never able to find not used true. Burial site but by examining other depictions of dogs in ancient Egypt snow was able to draw some conclusions about Ubuntu you. This royal dog was probably a sight. Hound a hunting dog similar in shape to a greyhound. Judging from carvings of other dogs. Who would you likely had? Perky is a curly tail. Most likely he wasn't the Pharaohs personal pet he probably belonged to someone attached to the royal court but reisner concluded that the Pharaoh must have taken a shining to the feisty sight hound otherwise who you wouldn't have been given such an elaborate burial when you passed the ferro likely grieved terribly. He probably mummified Buzi. You just as many Egyptians did with their families. He wanted to be as prepared for the afterlife as possible. Perhaps he wanted a companion to spend the afterlife with as with Egypt. Dogs has an important role in the off to life. For Ancient Persians in Persia people were expected to treat canines with love and respect after death. People souls crossed the Shinwari Bridge an expense surrounded by dogs which stood between the world of the living and the dead if they lived a righteous life pursuing truth they went to Paradise in the House of Song if they pursued self interest. They were dropped into the house of lies. How a Persian treated a dog in their life affected their chances of attaining paradise so it was important to treat these animals well. People were encouraged to nurse dogs back to health care for pregnant dogs and to give the dogs funerals the ancient Greeks attributed great value to talk says well they recognize the deep emotional intelligence? These animals possess socrates claimed that dogs are philosophers because they distinguish the face of a friend and of an enemy only by the criterion of knowing and not knowing essentially. This means that dogs seek the truth about the nature within people. Humans can be two-faced. Deceiving one another easily but dogs copy fooled. This belief even predated socrates as shown in homer's Odyssey before Odysseus departed for the Trojan war. He raised spunky puppy named Argus. Sadly Odysseus was called Troy before August reached adulthood and yet the little dog never forgot his master. The Odyssey emphasizes the never ending loyalty deceased wife. Penelope but August was justice steadfast. He waited patiently for twenty years even as he grew old and weak and eventually the patience was rewarded. When Odysseus finally returned from his long journey he was disguised as a beggar. The massive suitors gathered to win the hand of Odysseus wife had no idea the king of Ithaca was back. Not even penelope recognized him but ARGOS instantly sniff out his master not even disguise crafted by the Goddess Athena. Herself could stop August from seeing the truth but they would be no happy reunion. Full of laughter and joyful kisses August was too weak to get up and greets his long lost friend and do deceased. Couldn't risk going over to him lest his ruse be discovered he could only watch as the light left. August is and the dog passed away aside from demonstrating talks ability to discern human nature. This story was one of the earliest instances in which dogs added more emotional depth to a tale August was the first in a long line of bitter sweet dog stories. The original old yeller. It's easy to imagine the crowd in an ancient Greek tavern holding back tears as a Bob sang about good loyal Argos. This appreciation for dogs went beyond the celebration of fictional canines flesh and blood. Dogs had an equally important place. In Greek society. This was especially true for the ancient city. State of Corinth in four fifty. Six e dogs played a vital role in its defense against a powerful threat. In fact a single dog was so important he was all that stood between victory and defeat coming up. A dog named Sota saves his city. 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Leonard daily quote not only shares a meaningful quote from history but also gives you the context surrounding it and right now. I am thrilled to be able to shed. Today's quote with you. It's fine the American poet singer and civil rights. Activist Maya Angelou. If you enjoy this episode make sure to follow daily quote free on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Good morning and welcome to daily quote. A podcast original. I'm Kate Leonard. Today's quote is from award winning author poet and Civil Rights Activist Maya Angelo. She said have enough courage to trust. Love One more time and always one more time. My Angelo is best known for nineteen. Sixty-nine memoir I know why the caged bird sings it made history as a first bestselling work of nonfiction by a black American woman. Hers is a story of immense strength born in segregated. Saint Louis Missouri. Maya could have easily grown to hate those who oppressed her. She could have allowed bitterness to define her outlook and limit her future instead. She chose to love herself and allowed that love to validate ambitions. She became an actress and performer. A leader in the civil rights movement and an award winning Memoir Ist and poet. It takes radical courage to love ourselves. We will not always succeed. We may feel discouraged when our goals go unmet or relationship breaks but if we can have the courage to show ourselves compassion. We will always be able to begin again this morning. Take a moment to honor the things you cherish about yourself. Acknowledge the progress. You have made on your journey of self discovery. You deserve to fall madly in love with the person you are. And the person you'll become daily quote is a daily podcast follow on spotify to make it part of your morning routine and let it inform the rest of your day. Daily quote is a podcast original. If you're listening on spotify you can share this quote with your friends on social by tapping the three dots in the top right corner of the episode. Page scrolling down to share and selecting your sharing option of choice. Remember you can find new paths to positively three hundred and sixty five days a year followed daily quote free on spotify. Or wherever. You get your podcasts now. Back to the story. Since ancient times dogs have served as Gods ready to alert their masters at the slightest smell of invaders. The dogs living in the Greek city of Corinth was no exception in four fifty six BC corinth was a flowering metropolis. It straddled the isthmus between northern and southern Greece. Making it an important trading destination known for its exports of fruit and tobacco. This port city bustled with foreign traders. Bringing in new spices crofts and ideas and it was a valuable target for would-be conquerors for decades Greece and Persia had been at odds. In Four Ninety ce the Persian emperor deriez invaded the Greek mainland but was repelled following the battle of marathon outside of Athens but his successes were undeterred. Ten years later emperors ERC sees led a second invasion thanks to the efforts of Greek leaders like the Spartan King Leonidas and the Athenian General. The mystic lease the Persians. Were once again held at bay but by four fifty six ce they had their eyes on. Corinth located between Sparta and Athens. It had major strategic and economic importance if the Persians could take it the rest of Greece which surely follow given current strategic importance. It was extremely important to be aware of an impending attack to that. End Fifty dogs reposed around the city to guard against invaders. One of these dogs was named Sota so tests stage alerts as the sun fell and the city quiet but not too so tear from his post. He heard something suspicious. Footsteps Rather than deploying a full-scale army the Persians had sent a small group of intruders into Corey. If they could take the gods by surprise they could conceivably control the city long enough for larger force to arrive and unfortunately they had done their homework. The Persian strikeforce was aware of Soda and the other guard dogs. Although the dogs was strong they were no match for the well trained. Persians forty nine. To fifty canines killed. Sota was the sole survivor but so refused to Tuck tail and flee. He was well trained to and he would fulfill his duty. We don't know exactly how but so. Tests successfully eluded the Persians. Perhaps he had a little divine assistance. Legend says that SORTA had swallowed a lucky rabbit's foot which is how he stayed alive having escaped his assailants. So Ted Dash through Corinth streets barking in warning. Eventually he reached the barracks. He woke the CARINTHIAN soldiers and they rush to defend the city. Because of Sodas quick actions the Corinthians for to defeat the Persian attackers with the city safe. They were able to send messages to neighboring Greek cities to bring reinforcements. They had saved the city. Thanks to Sota as thanks. The city fathers awarded so tear a Silva caller that read to Sota tear defender and savior of Corinth. Then they built a monument not only to SORTA but also to all the other dogs who died largely due to the defense of Corinth. The Persians effort. To conquer Greece failed. Although the Persian empire remained powerful the Greek city states were able to rise to even greater prominence their culture spread north to the neighboring kingdom of Mastodon as the Macedonians grew in prominence. They took up the banner against the Greeks longtime enemies and once again. A dog played a key role in the conflict in three fifty six. A century office. Oh Ted defended Corinth Alexander. The third of Macedonia was born. The son of King Philip. The second Alexander would someday become the leader of Mastodon but he would go on to be known by a different name. Alexander the Great as a young man Alexander received a classical education tutut by the Greek philosopher. Aristotle he learned to read right fight hunt and played the lyre meanwhile Alexander's Father King Philip. The second conquered major Greek city states like Athens and Thebes. He created a unifying body called the Hellenistic League also known as the League of Corinth as their ruler. He was effectively the emperor of Greece and he had even greater ambitions often forming the Hellenistic League Philip. The second set his eyes on the Persian empire during the Persians war with the Greeks the same one so tara fourteen they had conscripted the Macedonians to fight for them now. Phillip was determined to get his revenge but if he failed. This responsibility would fall on Alexander's shoulders. His mother Olympias fostered this ambition in her son. She pushed him to become the greatest conquer the world had ever seen but she gave him something else to a lifelong love of dogs. Olympias is generally considered responsible for introducing molasses dogs military dogs in Macedonia and the Greek states. Unlike Sota who had only been a guard dog these now extinct molasses. Dogs were intended for war. These fearsome finalists were deployed against lightly on groups of soldiers and infantry units as a young man. Alexander push these molasses to their limits. He wanted to see just how strong they really were one day. Alexander detested the bachelor dogs against an elephant in combat scenario according to the Historian. Finney Alexander ordered an elephants be brought in. The dogs have bristled all over his body. And it I gave a voss thunderous fog then kept leaping up and rearing against the creatures limbs attacking and retiring the most necessary points until the elephant turning round and round in an unceasing. Well was brought to the ground with an earthshaking crash. Alexander was thrilled. These dogs were stronger than anyone had thought. Alexander's Father Philip. The second also love dogs particularly pointers. He was so fond of them. He had them imported all the way from Spain. On many a hunt Alexandra Phillip would race through the woods as the pointers chase. Down their prey like his mother's Balazs dogs Alexander enjoyed pointers but for his personal dog. He needed something tougher. Ultimately Alexander settled on a dog named after the Macedonian word for January Hurry Tusk due to a lack of information historians on social what Breed Parite. Us actually wants some believe. He was a seclusion greyhound while others believe he was a molasses amrried very similar to modern mastiffs in addition to being stronger than Greyhounds. These dogs were notoriously distrustful towards strangers with a long deep bark however when it came to their masters they were known for exceptional courage and loyalty typically bonding permanently. To one person either a greyhound or a Malaysian would have been an ideal companion for Alexander. But what really mattered was how loyal Peritas was to Alexandra. The two of them formed a powerful bond and soon Alexander would need to lean on that relationship more than he expected in three thirty six twenty year. Old Alexander went to a wedding with his father but there would be little to celebrate when they arrived fill. It was killed by his own bodyguard. There was no time for Alexander to Mourn. He was proclaimed king on the spot in his new role. Alexander was determined to continue his father's legacy with Peritas by his side. He wouldn't stop until he had the Persian empire under his thumb but before he could turn his attention to the east he had to deal with unrest in his own kingdom up next peritas helps. Alexander expand his empire now back to the story. After Philip the second died in three thirty six SPEC- E his twenty year old son. Alexander was declared King of Mastodon. But some of Alexander's father's rivals wanted power for themselves. As News of Philip's death reached the states of Mastodon. They revolted. This was AG's on his worst fear he had just been crowned and his kingdom was slipping out from under him. He was already facing his first real test as a leader in response to the rebellion. Alexander was ruthless. He didn't hesitate to eliminate his political rivals including his own cousin at times. It probably felt like the only one Alexander could trust was his dog. Perito US after putting down the insurrections Alexander was able to keep the Hellenistic League intact. All Greek states were still under Macedonians Bana but Alexander wasn't content to rest on his laurels. It was time to take on the Persian empire. Persia was located across a narrow strait called the hello spont- parts of Modern Day Turkey in three thirty four BC twenty-two-year-old Alexander crossed the heliport with an army at his back and Peritas by his side. Together they sparred with the Persian emperor derives the third the King of Persia off after a year of battles derives fled to Syria. Alexander chased him capturing more cities along the way and Peritas trotted alongside Alexander. Has they both heading into battle as his empire expanded? Alexander founded over twenty cities that bore his name including the Egyptian city of Alexandria in three thirty to see while he was there. Alexander consulted with the Oracle of the God ammon. He was desperate to know if his upcoming expedition deeper into Asia would be successful. Alexander walked out of his meeting with a smile on his face. He didn't tell a soul. About what the Oracle revealed but rumor has it. The Oracle said Alexander was the son of Zeus and that he would soon become a God himself. Asia was his for the taking with that in his head. Alexander felt ready to finally fight psoriasis. Conquering Persia had been his dream since childhood and Peritas would help him. Make it a reality well. Alexandra prepared to renew hostilities with guerrillas. He had special armor forged for Peritas. He Will Sa- crafted a metal color with knife like spikes to prevent his beloved dog from being grabbed by the enemy by three thirty one BC. Both man and dog were ready for war. And Alexander left Egypt to hunt down Deriez once and for all the Macedonian and Persian armies met on the planes of Ganga Mela between the ancient cities of Niniveh and Abella though Alexander didn't know it Niniveh is where the massive attains had on a dog's with cylinder seals and Golden Ambulance three thousand years earlier and now the people of Niniveh would witness one dog changing the course of history even in the face of to Ryan says Army Alexander insisted on fighting on the frontlines after all. Who could Tom the son of Zeus? And if by some Johnson enemy did come Alexander's way peritas would protect him. Peritas had his own troops to lead as well. Alexander had brought a large group of molasses dogs trained to fight enemies without heavy armor. They would need all the help they could get. Unlike Alexander. Deriez wasn't on the frontlines. He was ensconced in the heart of his forces. Alexander could barely make out the royal flags marking the Persian emperors location. And yet he could see them. And that was all Alexander needed. Once the fight had begun into riots. His position was exposed. Alexander ordered a massive cavalry charge. He spurred his horse leading the fight with Peritas sprinting right beside him. Armored in full battle Regalia. The Macedonian forces rushed towards Darius overwhelming. The Persian resistance Alexander's Personal Cavalry. Tour down enemy off to enemy making significant headway into the Persian ranks. Alexander was right in the thick of it juuling head-on with the Persians standing over them as they fell one by one but deras wasn't as defenseless as he seemed he decided to unleash weapons so fearsome even the son of Zeus couldn't stop it while the Macedonian King was distracted fighting foot-soldiers to righteous sent a battle elephant charging straight at the King. Alexander was trapped. There was no way to escape. The elephants rampage. Alexander watched helplessly as soldiers tumbled left and right from the sheer force of the challenging beast. He braced himself for death. Deriez had one but peritas refused to accept defeat he jumped directly into the elephants path shielding his master then paria toss took a running leap and sank his teeth right into the elephants enormous lip. The wounded elephant halted it swung sideways and fell down knocking over the Persians. Who were riding it. They fell to the ground. All the while. Peritas held on tight to the elephants lip. This disruption caused a brief opening in the chaos Alexander road towards the opening accepting that he needed to regroup with the bulk of his forces after a tense run he successfully made it to the other side now able to regroup his men. Alexander could fight back against a riotous counterattack. His renewed offensive overwhelms the Persians. They weren't even able retreat by battles end. Dorion had fled. Alexander captured the prize city of Babylon. He was declared King of Persia following the battle of gorilla and went on to conquer the majority of Asia minor but the victory was bittersweet peritas. Didn't make it out to live after taking down the elephant. He was unable to make it back to Alexander's side. He died protecting his master. Peritas was so notable. They're actually two versions of his final battle. The other story says during a battle against the Marlins in India Alexander was stranded behind enemy lines. He had no one's protect him not even peritas and he was surrounded. The fighting was so chaotic Alexander's or were unable to reach their king but Peritas was determined to try without regard for his own life. The loyal Hound charged into the thicket of Malaya soldiers. No one could stand in parenthesis way. He managed to find his way back to Alexander side. It was just in time. Alexander had been stabbed in the leg. He wouldn't have lasted much longer on his own. But perito says arrival gave him a second wind together man and dog fort off wave after wave of Mauleon attackers until reinforcements arrived. Once they did. The Macedonians found Alexander sitting amongst a pile of slain enemies. He held peritas close as the dog drew his final breath however it happened. Alexander took Rita's death. Hard after Perito was slain. Alexander commanded for the dose buddy to be brought to him immediately as night fell his men search the battlefield for Perito us once they found him Alexander or did a state funeral for his beloved dog. They even named a city in the dogs honor and within that city a statue of Peritas was built in the central square if not for parentheses bravery Alexander of Mastodon may never have become Alexander. The great had. He died in battle history. As we know it's would have completely changed. Alexander is known for having spread Greek culture throughout massive empire. Many of the city's he founded flowered and became major cultural centers and remain so today at the time of his death in three twenty three. Bc Alexander's Empire covered over two million square miles undefeated in battle. Alexander was used as the golden standard for military leaders. His military tactics a still taught but his legacy might have never existed without the courage of his dog. Dog Influence the passed through their protective courageous and empathetic nature's ancient cultures from all over the world celebrated their best friends and head for them like family and from callers to bomb sniffing dogs. Patrolling battlefields the legacies of ancient dogs. Live on today. The time line of history is decorated with poor prints. Thanks for listening to tales. Every dog has his day and all day is Mondays. We'll be back then with a new episode. You can find more episodes of dog tales and all other parkas originals for free on spotify. Not Earning to spotify already. 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Episode 21: Cultish

The Truth Is Somewhere: A Conspiracy Theory Podcast

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Episode 21: Cultish

"Welcome back to the truth of somewhere conspiracy theory podcast, Meghan. What are we talking about today? We're gonna talk about the Bridgewater triangle where the sonnet kickabout triangles triangles triangle on the cake about triangles luminosity. Yeah. I guess. 'cause like the all saying is a triangle. Missouri triangle. Okay. So the Bridgewater triangle is in Massachusetts, and it's just thirty miles south of Boston, and it's two hundred square miles and it's points align with Abington Freetown in Rehoboth. I have no idea where any of those are me neither, but they form the points of the which what were in the world is this NASA -chusetts. Okay. I'm sorry. I miss Massachusetts often. The town of Bridgewater Bridgewater lies smack dab in the middle of the triangle, and it was named for that town in the seventies by cryptos Walla, just Loren Coleman. Note here as I was doing the research and I was typing this out, does thinking about how funny it is that there's people who are zoologist for animals that don't exist. So zoologist for Pokemon? Yeah, and big and big fee. Not to be confused with small. So this triangle is commonly called a vortex and is home to a host of strange happenings, going back centuries. Historically, the area was inhabited by native Americans, make sense, and the sixteen thousand nine hundred and fifty acre swamp within the triangle is named hulk amok, which translates to place where spirits dwell look. It ends with muck though like or mock or Moke. Okay. Let's be clear here. I don't speak this language, so sweltering Claire, we don't need to be. The native thought that the swamp that this was magical, they treated it as or sacred and what English settlers moved in. They feared the swamp and called it double swamped. So right there right off the bat, you have to two different cultures who treat this as like something, something. There's something more there. You know it's spooky or it's spiritual. That's fine. That could just be the native American amid native Americans passing that onto the settlers could be. And you know people back then were very, very superstitious. We have some superstitious people now, but like they got nothing and it was like widely like everyone was super everybody was. We didn't have. We didn't have science to say otherwise. So I think that makes a lot of sense that they're still they're still a triangle vortex there because people believe there is and that you know, grandparents tell their children tell their children's funding. Funding, and you haven't even heard anything about it. There we go. The truce to the somewhere like comment subscribe. No, I didn't do all this research for absolutely nothing. Astle. There it is. We found the truth. You mean the truth that you're in hassle. Please continue. Yes. Thank you. The English settlers moved. They found those difficult to navigate and it contained plants and animals with which they were not familiar, which makes it makes sense that they would like kind of fear it a little bit because it's just unknown. It's not necessarily that there's something spooky going on. They just don't know about it. Okay. In sixteen seventy five, a war broke out between the natives and the settlers, and this is referred to as king Philip's for after the chief of the one, the nog- whom settlers called king Philip, even though his name was meta comet because we have to English is fucking everything. They just started calling him king Philip like the town like Bridgewater. The town of Bridgewater I think was one of the towns that had like a king Philip way or kingdom the little drive. And it was like, oh, man, we're the worst. Well, yeah, that's actually still kind of common in today's. Yeah, days will because what had a teacher. From Kenya named one of BC. And he had an English name? Yeah, he did Edward. Oh. If he said, never call me at we're, he's never. He's because he's like he. He said the reason that they did it was because it was easier for people to remember the name Edward than it is wanna be see, and you don't have to explain the name Edward. That's right. He's like, so he had it when he was young and used him as young and he was like, after that he was never called me. It never because we're in a world now our doesn't need to be used fair. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Which I think is interesting that that still kind of exists, but really famous case of of that is poke on us. That wasn't actually her name. She was also called Princess something. I really, I find it interesting that they haven't changed the name from king Philip to like his actual name, like the name of the roads has like, because it's it. So y'all, his name was something else, but it still holds historical value. Also, we still celebrate Columbus Day. Kind of like low whitewashing of America really bothers me. Anyway. Just like that I won't get into it. I'm gonna get on my soapbox today. It's okay. No soap-boxes today. Anyway, there's a war. They call it king Phillips work. 'cause we anglicized everything's and much of the war took place in the swamp natives can usually navigate it and knew this idlers were unsure and afraid of it to their their advantage. She'll sounds like a smart guy. Unfortunately, though smart smart enough and fourteen months later, the natives lost the war, and meta comment was caught and decapitated. Today, people still find the swamp to be spiritually active and believed that those who died during the war hunt this month. Okay. And locals report feeling watched while in the swamp hearing blood curdling screams in seeing ghostly apparitions of dancing natives and burning fires. Oh. They have a mold problem in this one. Baby. I mean, that would be a place that mold would like to grow. I would think that's what damn same. Yeah. Same ticks plane while you're asking about mold. I mean, sure. It's a. They're starting to connect some scientists somewhere. I don't know. It's real time since I read this is starting to connect hallucinating in old houses. To mold because old houses tend to have mold in them and lots of mold in them because they're old mold, finds a way to manage to grow everywhere and the mold as we breathe it in causes minor hallucination. Sedation, loosens the Harvard's heart. Yeah, anyways. So you hear bombs see things out of the corner of your eyes from these minor. Illusions, right? So so that is actually a really big explanation for huntings. This house. The ones that generally we would think being really haunted, like really old houses, especially they're the ones that probably have the least amount of weather protection. So the ones to get the most of the moisture, they're the ones that are gonna also with that, that on that note alone, old houses creek because what changes size. Temperature. So. Could explain a lot could explain why door might swing open slightly because something shifted and caused the door to want to move that direction to be clear. I hate this explanation because it's so fucking logical, but I believe in does. And I think you guys already know that Corey absolutely does not believe in ghosts. Like I don't believe in conspiracies and stuff like that, but I definitely like I eat up the paranormal stuff. I'm going gonna believe in ghosts believe in healing crystals. No, you don't. Even a little. But very science minded. I am. At least a little bit science minded. Yeah, I don't know. I. I can't disprove it. It goes, don't exist. I just choose to believe in what I can see. And yeah, not not necessarily disbelieve in the fact that spirit exist, but I'm not going to focus on believing in them Antill. There's proof for me to believe in them. And I saw one my told me they saw ghost and if I can explain it with my rational world knowledge, then you're not going to believe in if you if you don't me, have you sought me, then I might go, you might have something and I'm gonna try to look for answers, but am I go to my grab gone? Maybe that was something. Maybe it was something. Yeah. So tell me about the these. Ghosts in the swamps back to the triangle at hand, we're pretty much done with the ghosts for now, but strange animals appear to occupy. This won't belong with the spirits. Thunderbirds often cited in this so Thunderbirds giant birds similar to condors. That in some tribes are said to have great powers because it's like a native American kind of like folkloric mythical beast. They aren't known to actually exist, but that doesn't stop people from seeing giant pterodactyl like creatures in the swamp even police sergeant. Thomas Downey claims to have seen a Condor during a summer night around two AM in nineteen seventy one. He was driving to his home in eastern which lies on the edge of the swamp when he saw an enormous bird like creature that was over six feet tall and had an eight to twelve foot wingspan. That's stuck in big. I mean six feet. That's that's huge. Yeah, that's huge. Real fucking big. That is a big bird. I'm not even sure if that is bigger than big bird while no big birds taller. Big little wings fan, big bird. Very good burn like a pin Gwyn, ineffective, or an ostrich, or maybe like a chicken, a really big chicken, real chicken. Yeah. But that's a, that's a terrifying bird. Did you see it fly the? Did it say? No, it didn't ages that he like encountered it. And then he called the citing into the eastern police who searched high and low, but never found the thunder bird. What us rise Downey still stands by his story though. And other people have reported seeing giant snakes that appear every seven years. Like there's this folklore there that these huge monstrous snakes shove every seven years. Like nobody sees them except robbery, seven years. In the seventies local police officers even claimed that nothing surprised them out of the Bridgewater triangle anymore. Because just the week before someone had found an actual legitimate eight foot boa constrictor and the police had no idea where it came from. So they're just like, that's crazy. Nothing surprises us. Shit comes outta here. We'd like. Never, we don't know. And every summer they have to deal with the bomb donkey's. Yes. Us doggies. Yeah. So what what else did they see? Other than eight foot book constrictors. In the summer Bob donkeys, Jesus our favorite krypton actually, Bigfoot. Oh, thank you. Water thing, something in nineteen seventy reports of seven foot tall. Hairy monster launched a search for a bear, like along with footprints. Footprints were so big. They were like, it's gonna be a bear. Though the police dogs to track the creature, nothing was ever found. And to this day, Bigfoot is still often cited in the area and appears to be very calm and shy as ever. Of course, he's really good at avoiding cameras, so good. It's like his magic power as magic powers in and he gets in his you. A phone goes away. Good thing that you just started talking about millions because that's the next thing on the list. It's like you predicted that it's like you actually psych America illuminated. Oh, confirmed. So on may ten seventeen sixty residents in Roxbury and Bridgewater claimed to hear noise echoing from the sky, followed by glow glowing shape, so bright that it appeared in broad daylight though leg. It was brighter, the sun pretty much. Okay. Interestingly enough, this account was listed in literally everything. I looked up for the Bridgewater triangle, and all of those sources said that it was quote documented, but none of them said wear. It was documented and I didn't. I've to deeply because I didn't want to get sucked in for like five hours trying to find something but credible, historical documentation absolutely does not come up in any like cursory Google search or like looking through newspaper articles or anything like that. Like looking through archives, I couldn't find it anywhere. So where the fuck this is documented. I don't know because even like the text books that I found textbooks, I use the term loosely that like pretend to be academic works that talked about this. Didn't give a citation to the source that it was documents. So I feel like it's like somebody told somebody told somebody told somebody like sixteen generations later, somebody was like, I'm going to rent this down and now it's documented by. Aliens. Yeah. So people obviously, they, they say, this is a UFO. Some some people claim. This is the first recorded UFO citing in the United States. There's actually from the sixteen hundreds then also claims to be the first recorded. So I don't know there's some arguments there and maybe we'll dive more into that like all the time line of you up in general in the United States later, but all right. So. Early earliest. One of the earliest spotting. One of the earliest spotting of on identified. It was probably a meteor and win. Did they say this was seventeen sixty? That's that's quite some time ago. Seventeen sixty. That's. I believe that's that's constitution. That's before as we were America. Yeah, that's fact that's crazy. Yeah, that's. That's that is definitely credible. No, yeah. I know. Well documented, well documented, like maybe on stone. I don't know. It's on the back of the constitution turns out. On Halloween in nineteen eight newspapers reported another UFO citing John Flynn and Philip profit reported seeing a bright light in the sky. Shortly before four PM, they claim the light resembled a searchlight and was traveling quickly before it just disappeared. Okay. Newspapers reported that all of the balloons that had been in the air in Massachusetts were accounted for and the sighting remained a mystery like weather balloons. Okay. So they were like, it's not a weather balloon. At this point. It's literally an unidentified flying object 'cause nobody knows what it is. So not you of of like aliens, but something that nobody knew what it was government knew what it was. They didn't own up to it. It could have been what whether ballooned from somewhere else Cher rooted in. And then travelled quickly away and disappeared. Okay. I don't know. All right. Actually did find a real newspaper article on this from the little son. So that was pretty exciting. I was like goal. Alot will Mola well who all. Oh, all fun. So it was really, really excited that was article. Then. I just I found a real article on this physically. We're getting so excited about it. I was expecting the I was over closer to this after the last one where I was like, where is this document doesn't exist like this was actually a newspaper. So that was exciting. Okay. All local news, right? About anything. So we're gonna fast forward roughly ninety years in nineteen Ninety-four Bridgewater police officer claim to see a quote triangular shaped craft with red and white lights, and reporters, and other witnesses have seen a Pentagon all shaped ufl. I'm like, you could actually so there. There's interviews with those reporters like recent interviews with those reporters saying that. They saw this shape, like lots of people have seen the shape. Okay. So there's definitely like something weird going on whether or not that's aliens. I don't know. But like maybe I don't know. Maybe it's like the Canadians are testing some sort of aircraft and right. I wanna got to it. You know, maybe over Massachusetts seems a little little crazy and only Massachusetts is climbing to see it. Yeah, I don't know something some, whereas going on. 'cause lots of people, lots of corroborated stories about about this specific shape. Maybe it was people lighting, those little candle lanterns up in the air. And from the right perspective, they made Pentagon's maybe who knows best part. Yeah, even Ronald Reagan, even Ronald Reagan saw mysterious craft while flying over legend Freetown forest, which is part of the triangle, the craft presented as a light follow on, followed his plane before a long getting shooting into the sky at a forty five degree. Angle. This happened in nineteen seventy four would Reagan was still the governor of California. I was gonna ask if it was. We're his presidency. Yeah. And he relayed the information to a friend, Norman, c, Miller who happened to work, I think for the Wall Street Journal at that time and the way that Norman Millar explains it is like he was just telling his buddies like this thing happened. And then as soon as he remembered that his buddy was also part of the press. He liked clammed up one talk about it anymore. But his story is corroborated by the guy who was flying his plane pilot. So Bill painter also saw and did talk about it because buddy still published it. I think maybe long after his presidency and he talked about it. 'cause like if if he didn't, I don't think it was then didn't before him like, yeah, if you did before hand and he published it anyway secured Dickman. Yeah, no kidding. Like you're not my friend at all? Yeah. No, I think they didn't get spoken about two long after Reagan's president. Okay. Okay. So that same legend Freetown state forest also plays home to go sleep. Rishon standing the legend jumping off before they mysteriously vanish into thin air fill like goes suicidal people. Sure, sure. And then paranormal investigator, John Brighton said that while he was at the legis spirit told him to jump or leave. Come on, man, get it over with. Well, make up your mind. Joining us, or are you getting the pool man. Like shouldn't get off the pot like me do. It's still pretty depressing on this side without we end it now we're stuck doing perpetual loop. Fuck like the shittiest lake, I think. Oh, man, I think if like we still have the same emotions as we did as a human. I think there come a point where you're like, you maybe start looking forward to it because your life rush rush. You're like, I'm gonna jump off this thing, but I'm not going to get hurt. And then it what point did they're like? I think after that after the rush they're just like whatever. Yeah. You know, like I'm not even started doing just be like, I'm just gonna hang out here at the bottom of the cliff. Just lay here. I think that's probably what would happen with me. I'd be like, I'm not doing this anymore deaths few tile. Maybe they're Hurst maybe or curse sure curse to stand up there and Joe the until they jump otherwise to stand up there and again, well, that's miserable every day they have to jump. So if the, if the the suicidal jumpers who also tell you to jump isn't creepy for you. There's also a red headed hitchhiker on route forty four, that vanishes when people stopped to pick him up. Oh, Darryl, yeah, yeah. I know that he runs into the bushes. Oh, yeah. Well, and like some people are like, he's even made it to their car, and then he just disappears or one person was like, I hit him and he just disappeared like, yeah. Mushrooms up there. I know. I don't know. Maybe it is all hold, but there's also this one of the worst. I think I would. I would lose my shit if this happened to me. 'cause there's also a haunting semi truck. That is said to tailgate people honking his horn and like waving his arms radically, and then it just vanishes. Okay. And it's happened multiple people. I think it'd be scarier if you look in your rear view mirror and there's a semi truck, like speeding toward you, honking until it reaches you the vanishes that would be terrifying. I'd still be I'd be terrified. If it was tailgating me, I would put my brakes on and be like, fuck you. Dude. If you got if you were tailgated by a semi truck and you break check them, somebody talks cannot stop. You would be dead would be dead. He'd be paying for it. No. Literally, like if you're at a smaller, they will literally crunch over the top of Dr pictures signatures pitchers. I'm talking about like slam on my brakes. I'm talking about just like a little like a little, get the fuck off me like slow down to a little bit like flash my breaks out. I'm like, come on. Man could being a dick. That's disappears stupid. Ghosts. What would you do of like you're being tailgated by a big ass semi truck and it literally just disappeared into thinner. Why would you do live? Legitimately I would pull my car over and then probably get out of it. Take the keys out of the condition that set them on the seats, close the door and then like sit on the hood and get on with phone and be like, I think someone's spiked my drink somehow drum on us coming up, I am hallucinating on need. I need to be picked up. I can't drive right now. I'm so freaked out. I think there was a semi truck tailgating me. I don't know what I saw it disappeared. Please pick me up. Okay. Yeah. Somebody comes to get you at a happens to them to the flight of cars of people like people are on this front. They're sitting there like silently, wide eyed staring at the ground like. We will be all mystical would have play drunk lake. Yeah. So in the nineties Freetown police started receiving reports of mutilated cats in cows as well as native animals to the forest. The police determined that all of them appeared to have been killed in a ritual Listrik matter. A perpetrator was never found, and it remains a mystery to this day. This is important for later. Okay. So there's that. That's the weird stuff happening in the forest and you've got yourself a seat of conspiracy. Okay. This may not be entirely unfounded as in the late seventies and underground. Bunker was discovered in the forest that contained several things defined as quote. Cultish cultish cultish means, you know, it's kind of like coal like they found black robes and scented candle fish. No, those were just like fucking teenagers like sex parties or something that was cold. Teenager speaking teenagers seventies. What. I'm giggling because of the kids in the seventies that were called issue cultish. We're, you know, we're kind of dabbling with the whole Colt thing. We're not like a full coal. We're just kind of like Colt is, you know, we, we get drunk and pull up the ouija board. The ouija board. Yeah, drunk that we board and we ask it who I'm gonna marry some day. Ooh. Death. So people believe the bunker was used to carry out rituals and possibly even human sacrifices. Not so much getting drunk and asking deeper to on. Who am I going to marry kill Sam of kill Sam? I'll find out. All right. Fast forward to the eighties. Police found a pentagram on the ground along with other designs made of seemingly carefully placed stones. Police took away the pentagram, moved all the stones, only have everything back in the exact same place. The next day. Fucking cops movement. God, Tim rocks. So I think. I mean, what else come on? Obviously it's a satanic cult obviously, and they're mad that the cops move their rock. Well, yeah, I'd be mad too. Went through all that work. There's also the case of a pimp and satanic cult leader was Carl drew, and he used an ice shack in the forest to commit a series of murders drew allegedly used the threat of his satanist magical abilities to keep his girls in line and drew began murdering some of his girls as ritual sacrifices in the late seventies, this is real for real. We're real. He did this supposed supposedly nece Cultus love the forest because of its remote location also because it has an undercurrent of dark energy that they can tap into for their rituals kit or. Okay. I mean, do you think, okay, this image of my in my head of like all these people wearing black robes except for the pimp, and he has a came in like purple, purple lab, reprint collar, big wide brim, how the feather sticking out of. I don't think so because he was a Satan as cold leader. So I don't really see him dressing like that. I know that, but I'm trying to paint the picture. It's kind of funny and he's like, stabbing some girl of trust, and there's like blood flying everywhere, but his his comical, purple, Dan, tie, white bell-bottoms Zoot suit. But yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah, kind of I could see that. Sure. Yeah. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Zoot suit as long these bell-bottoms. All right. Because seventies I'll give it right. Right. Is snakeskin boots, gross. Stabbing her with his cane. Oh yeah. Oh, because it's probably one of those canes that comes part of the night. Yeah. This is a serious podcast. Yeah. I really should dark humor as our as one of our tags. You shed. We literally just talked about doing ritual sacrifices Satan as a cult leader pimps. As you shake your head and put your hand or head so ashamed, except I'm not. I'm not ashamed like this is the shit that we like laugh about. I mean, sometimes things get heavy enough that like you can't do anything but laugh like you have to and you have to make a joke. And that's like this guy was fucking nuts and he literally ritually sacrificed women who worked for him probably not of their own volition who he was probably feeding like cocaine and heroin, keep them like coming back because now they're addicted nowhere else to go. And now he's fucking rich release, like sacrificing them because he's a, he's a nutjob. That's really heavy. I'm that's really difficult to deal with and it's much easier to deal with you him with his Jonty hat and his light autumns there you have it, but also fuck that douchebag because he actually did the thing dude. So the forest is also home to a host of brutal murders. So other than just, you know, this crazy asshole ritually sacrificing his horse. It's lots of brutal murders, disappearances end himself crimes. One of the most famous crimes was the nineteen seventy eight murder of fifteen year old. Mary Lou Arruda who has found tied to a tree in the forest. Oh yeah. I won't get to in detail about about what happened to her, but she got. She got kidnapped tied like brutally molested and beaten tied to a free land and the guy choked her. Essentially what they think happened is he choked her until she passed out and then she was likely alive, but she sagged and s fixated her on what she was tied of the tree. So if you want to hear all about that case and actually how I ended up finding out about the the Bridgewater triangle was from another podcast. It's a much bigger podcast already probably heard of it, but it's called small town murder, and I'm waving hind the times because this is like over a year ago, they covered the story. But they were. They were talking about her and they happen to bring up the Bridgewater triangle. They don't talk about cryptos and conspiracies or anything like that. They talk about murder, but like it picked my interest obviously as I was listening to it because I have like a bone for true crime. I love true crime. And so when they brought it up, I was like, writing that down. I'm gonna research it anyway. Can't recommend that podcast laugh. You can go listen to the one about wearing Lou rude. I think it was too. So really, really, really good podcast. Really good episode there you have it in two thousand fifteen. So even like more recent stuff. Okay. The bodies of two women were found in the woods and their murders appeared to also be ritualised in nature. So it's not like. I don't know if it draws us because it drew Satan because like is location. So like people and I want to use the term Satan nece really loosely hair because I understand that people who actually practice who actually practice satanism like, aren't these these crazy ritual sacrifice like killed, burgeon, kind of people. I get that like this is a legitimate religion that doesn't preach this kind of stuff, but it's like, I don't. I guess we can just call them cultists because we don't have that other word for it because this is what people call it. They call it satanism. It's not like it's, it's, it's it's a cult, it's because of the roots of Christianity country. That's why that's why commonly just gets that. Yeah. So I'm using the turn satanism because it's the term that's used most widely. The term that's going to be the most easily understood what I use it, but I also making it very clear that I don't necessarily believe that these people were actually prompted fixate nece. Since we are Colt crazy people not. That's what we need to know. So I don't know if it was initially. Its remote location attracted weird Colt crazy people who would be willing to sacrifice human beings ritualistic manner. Okay. And then because it had already happened more weird, crazy just happen to flock there to do it. I also don't know like if they're happening in this triangle at a higher incident than they're happening outside of the triangle because so you haven't looked. I don't. I me on. I'd be willing to bet that if it because it's has gained popularity in, it's like, oh, the Bridgewater triangle. It's like it's got those dark undercurrent of energy. It'll help you commit your rituals, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, their Saint people twisted. It seems like there could be a good argument that it happens more here just because they are attracted to that area because it is so popular now. I mean, I kind of agree that that is there's a good chance of that because Seattle is the suicide capital alone of steer rice to one. It's partially theorized to because of the weather. It's also theorized to be because it is more of a fad here. Yeah. So theorists believe that the same person who was responsible for the animal mutilations has been committing violent murders for decades and story Maine's at large. So they just basically like some people are like we have a serial killer. This is a serial killer that's never been caught it actually, like I lend some credence to that because there are definitely prolific serial killers who killed four. Yeah, decades only come up every once in a while once it starts getting hot. They stopped doing it. They get a couple and then they stopped doing it. Yeah. So finally, and this is the really funny one I saved the best for last could. The forest is also said to be home to a race of small humanoid creatures known as puck, wedgies puck, wedgies. They're named by the one nog-. I don't know what it means, but they are described as being troll. Like in only two to three feet tall. They have Harry grey skin, but supposedly also sometimes glows. Oh, and they're also downright mischievous little fucking assholes. Okay, so they're like American leprechaun's? Yeah, kinda, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Apparently they like to startle push and shove visitors to the forest. And some people have had rocks sandstone in their face or have been rustled with by the puck wedgies and they are said to have magical powers and the ability to shape shift and are given a wide berth by the woman oak. Oh yeah. Like don't fuck with these. These little fuckers are off little Quincy's. I love her. Some people actually blame them for the number of people who have fallen off of cliffs to their deaths. So like some people are like, no, those little fuckers push people. Okay. Can you imagine you're like out on a high, click, beautiful, serene, four. As looking out over the thing of two to three foot tall, hairy gray skin, glowing bastard, just comes up and pushes you like. And then you find out after you're dead, you're stuck there in those perpetual Lupu following this cliff that you were killed by something called puck wedgie. Puck wedgie. Would you just can't pick. A wedge. You can't pick. There you haven't. That's the whole story about the ridge water, the Bridgewater triangle. Yup. I believe it's the puck wedgies you believe it's the pudgy is absolutely. Now, I think I think. You shouldn't fuck with native American sacred areas. I think that I really truly believe native Americans were are going to fuck with you deeply in in in my soul. I truly believe you don't fuck with that shit. I just do why because they made a movie about it. No, because I just really, truly deeply believe. It's like somebody if somebody put so much energy into something to call it, sacred that item become sacred or that place becomes sacred. And maybe there is some sort of like in like magic of intention is only get mad at our remained for sitting in your chair. Yes, because I have defined. My chair is sacred. That's exactly one day cursed one day one day one day it will work. All joking, aside shed, I believe that. Okay. Okay. There you have it there you have it. We don't have the truth. We don't have the truth today. But you can find us on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram at t s podcast if you like what we're doing. You want to help us out. You can like review and subscribe over on. I tunes Stitcher wherever it is that you, you can write a review and say nice things. It really does help on items. I know they're algorithm is a big deal. Like if people review things at helps more people find the podcast. So do you want to help us out that way? We really appreciate it. If you really like what we were doing, you can find us over when patriot also at TAAS podcast. You get videos and. Cool extra merch that other people don't get bloopers content, you know, that kind of stuff fixtures coming around soon. Right stickers are coming around soon. 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2.14 The Origins of King Philip's War

The Political History of the United States

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2.14 The Origins of King Philip's War

"Hello and welcome to the political history of United States. Episode two, point fourteen. The origins of King Philip's war. Last time we focused on the relationship between New England and the crown on the eve of King, Philip's war. Well the events of last week are not going to necessarily be related to the war itself. They are going to combine with the coming war to help explain the response of the crowd to the most obstinate colony. With the death of Mesylate in sixteen sixty one, his son Medicom took his position as the primary chieftain in no ag. People. This was a role that his father had been in since we first started our story. Muscled had at times. Likely manipulated the Plymouth settlers to do his bidding, however, regardless of that the ultimate legacy is one of a forty year peace. And well neither side was terribly anxious. In seeing that lasting peace come to an end, it is impossible to ignore the fact that the entire dynamic in the region had changed. No longer is there a small group of English hanging out and trying to make a go of it? Instead, the population of New England had exploded. By the tunnel, Massa sweet died. He had witness New England grow from just around one hundred settlers to a population of over twenty five thousand. When looking at the forces at work, that would feel the coming war, this population growth is the first place to look just as we had seen in Virginia during their words of the poet confederacy along with population growth, came increasing pressure on the local resources with land, being chiefly amongst those. Competition for resources was always something of a concern, and we have seen it lead to wars between the Indians and the English before. However the piece largely remained for a couple of reasons. I drain his lifetime. Mass did much to ensure that the English were safe in their position. This was largely to his own benefit. The English have become valuable trading partners and nobody was really that excited to go to war with them. This long piece also meant that unlike in Virginia the English. Colonists were far more likely to trade things such as weapons to the Indians. We know for example the on the eve of the war. The neighboring Narragansett had built their own forge, and we're quite adept at fixing English weapons. At the same time, the English worked well with the local tribes. This trading partners great the first half of the seventeenth century, the for trade hand become valuable fashion trends back in England had valued the beaver pelts that existed throughout North American large numbers. The Indians would go and do the hard work before trading their pills to the American colonists for back to England. This system had worked well for decades, however, by the time we reach king. Philip's war demand for for was collapsing, Europe, which, as a result caused an over abundance of supply, thus depressing the overall value. This means that the Indians who had become increasingly dependent on the for trade were now struggling. Well, Mesozoic had done much to keep the other tribes off the backs of the English. The growing number of was making this increasingly difficult task moving through the sixteen sixties as discussed a moment ago, the popular surging as the population grew, there was a predictable amount of encroachment of English onto Indian lands. This brings us to our first big issue and one of the main causes of the conflict. English views of land ownership stand directly in contrast with the Indian view of land ownership. For the Indian tribes, there really wasn't something akin to landownership. Sure there was territory that was controlled by tribes, but owning the actual land well, that just wasn't a thing. The. English word quick to take advantage of this. The English never felt as though they were stealing land from the Indians because the tribes were to proven upon the land. The. English believed that land ownership meant actually using the land. This is something that even today remains a common belief. For my fellow lawyers out there they are going to know what the concept of adverse possession is. Basically in a lot of jurisdictions in the United States today you can go onto land improvement for a number of years, and if nobody ultimately makes a claim on it to get you off of their land, it will become yours. It is not quite that simple. However, it is pretty close. Now. There had been some debate about this in the colonies previously. If you'll recall from our episode on Roger Williams Williams believed in fair paper land. This is something that Williams did in fact practice, and at least to some extent it was practiced early on in the New England colonies however during the leader part of the sixteen sixty s and moving into the sixteen seventy S. New England found itself rapidly growing. There was more demand than ever on land, and this began to push the colonists into conflict with the Indians. This conflict in turn caused the settlers to take a more aggressive stance to their own interests and protection, and you see a period of rapid expansion of the local militias. By sixteen seventy five. We know that the Massachusetts Bay Company alone had seventy three companies. Those companies were made up of approximately one hundred and Twenty Min. was broken into a mixture of cavalry and foot soldiers. Quick Math therefore tells us that Massachusetts alone. Howdy, fighting force of approximately eighty seven hundred men when King Philip's war broke out. The other colonies specifically Plymouth and Connecticut also had their own forces at the time independent of Massachusetts. These forces could be pulled together through the New England Confederation which we saw form in sixteen, forty three. The confederation included. Massachusetts Connecticut new, haven and Plymouth. Road Island was not invited to play because nobody wanted anything to do with them. Among the problems heading into the sixteen sixty s is that it wasn't just massa sweet, who had died, the entire first generation was beginning to die off, and at the very least was giving way to a younger generation. William, Bradford had died back in sixteen, fifty seven. Miles standish died around sixteen fifty six. John winthrop died back in sixteen forty nine. The original class of settlers had grown old and North America and were now passing from the world. It was the second generation that was now beginning to inherit the colony, and without the relationship had been in place from the beginning. Following the death of mass, Zoe his holdings or pass on to his sons when Saga and MEDICOM. Both. Men chose to request English names from Plymouth. Wham Seta receiving the name Alexander and medicom receiving the name Philip. Alexander is not going to end up being much of a player here. He would end up dying from natural causes pretty quickly. Which means that everything consolidated under Philip. With Philip now empower. He came into a world that was rapidly changing around him. Old alliances well still important, often came into direct conflict with the pragmatic realities of the day. As the Connie spread out, they increasingly found themselves encroaching onto land that was controlled by the local tribes. For Philip, he found himself in a position where he needed to help. Ensure that his people survive even as the colonies rapidly expanded outward. This leads to a situation that would essentially be get a cold war. The I fear ran through the colony in sixteen, Sixty seven. Grin that year a rumor had started in Plymouth that Philip had allied his Noah people with the nearby narrow Ganz it. The rumor had been that Philip had entered into a secret alliance with the Dutch and the French to launch an attack against the English settlements. This fear was not without some basis, either the English had been longtime rivals with the French for trade, so a French attempt to at least check the growing English influence over trade isn't something that is out of the question. Second, we discussed earlier this season. So we know that in sixteen, Sixty four. The English had gone NC's The Netherlands from the Dutch. It is not exactly out of the question that the Dutch who were at the time involved in the second anglo-dutch war with the English might want to recapture their loss colony. Philip denied the accusations and ultimately there was no great attack on Plymouth colony at this point. Well unclear, if there ever had been discussions of some kind of an alliance with either the Dutch, the French remains a mystery. We know at a minimum plans never go far enough to lead to any actual action. The English for their part did ultimately return to a peaceful relationship with Philip. However, this return to normalcy didn't exactly relieve the concern that the English had. There had been peace between the colonists and the warnock for the past forty years. Yet despite this, there was an absolute growing sense of distrust between the groups as new tensions arose. For the next several years what existed between the colonists, any Indian tribes was a tense co-existence. Well piece remained throughout the rest of the sixties sixty s throughout the first half of the Sixteenth Seventies. There was always the underlying fear on both sides that they were living on the cusp of war. In begins rebellion. We were so easily able to identify the path to war. They defies Berkeley Berkeley. Denounce his Bacon. Men break into factions behind the two men, and they fight well obviously more complicated than that King Philip's war looks much more like a general and Rava lean then. March to war. As is so often the case drain times of war, the outbreak of the conflict may longtime enemies into allies. In fact a big part of the war was that uneasy relationship between those on each side of the conflict. On the side of Philip, it was far from clear that he was going to successfully raise people to his cause. Philip had enemies and more than a few other rival tribes would have been happy to see him ousted. Well there really wasn't anything resembling long-term infighting between the different colonies. It would be an error to imagine that there wasn't fierce competition between the groups. Plymouth Connecticut and Rhode Island all feared land grabs by the Massachusetts Bay Company. Likewise there was always a sense from the small colonies that checking the power of Massachusetts was critical as they remained the Goliath and the region. Up in Rhode Island, they trusted nobody. Nobody likes them. We have already spent extensive time on the fact that those who ended up in Rhode Island often found themselves there because they had views clashed with the bully of those in the other new. England colonies. When the United Colonies in New England were formed Rhode. Island was so much of an ally or that they simply weren't invited to join. The start of the avalanche begins in January of Sixteen, Seventy Five. That January a columnist by the name of John Sassaman came to the English colony with a warning. Sesame was an Englishman who had come to live in a Christian Indian village more. He worked on converting the local tribes to Christianity. Sesame was coming to Plymouth requesting a meeting with colonial governor Josie winslow. Upon meeting, winslow! sossamon warned the governor that the Indians were planning an attack. Sossamon specifically pointed the finger at Philip saying that he was working on gathering allies for a coming war. The problem was that by sixteen, Seventy Five. There had been years of scares at accusations. The relationship between the Indians and the English was on. The tents. However, the English had grown used to living in what amounted to a Cold War. Upon receiving this information, winslow unceremoniously told Sassaman that he was being dramatic and there was nothing to worry about. When flow then sent sussman on his way. The next time that Plymouth would hear from sussman is when his body was discovered nearly a month later. Despite a carefully organizing that was designed to make the death. Look like an accident. Basically everybody implement assume the assessment had been murdered. When looking for a suspect, it took all of two seconds to pick guy out of the lineup. Sossamon had been informing on Philip. If there was anybody who would want or need him dead. It was Philip. Of course. The woman people rejected this claim as being ludicrous, though this did little to dissuade the Plymouth colonists. In March of Sixteen, seventy, five in eyewitness came forward and personally claimed that he had seen sessoms killers three phillips advisers. Now let's unpack a couple of things here. The colony was angry because they believed an Englishman had been murdered at the hands of Philip. The colony was always going to have to respond. Winslow, however, likely wasn't itching to start a war. He was going to therefore have to balance his response and find a middle ground and spoiler. Alert guys is going to fail. This. Eyewitness provided winslow with an opportunity that he likely viewed as the best path. It would spare the colonists from having to do something dangerous like directly accusing Philip of any such thing and inviting and almost guaranteed war, likewise, the accusation against his advisors would remove pressure from winslow from within the colony to do something while at the same time sending a message to Philip not to kill the English again because there would be consequences. This is of course making the assumption that the eyewitness was being honest and what he saw and that this was not a totally contrived statement. Other way over winslow had act, and this was going to be his best path. The colony therefore moved ahead, and the three men were arrested. Now don't worry about. Their names. Just know that they were charged and they were to be brought to trial. The trial itself gives more evidence of the fact that winslow was trying desperately to Tosa middle ground, instead of the standard jury of Twelve Englishmen winslow instead had a jury of six Englishman and six likely picked Indians. This again would hopefully avoid setting off the war that winslow wanted to avoid. By having six Indians on the jury, he now had the ability to claim that the accused men received a fair trial and were judged by jury of their peers. Unsurprisingly the three men were found guilty of murder. They were sentenced to death on June, Eighth Sixteenth, seventy five and was promptly carried out. For winslow, it appeared to him that he had done what he could to find a way to keep this from boiling over into war. He didn't point the finger at Philip himself. Most of the colonists suspected he is brought up a mixture so that there could be no claims of an unfair trial. Philip however was not pleased by this outcome. Within days of the execution reports. Begin to roll in. The Philip was planning for War Against Plymouth. It is unclear whether or not the warning from Sassaman had been illegitimate thing or just more of the rumors that had been fine around for years. Mike is, it is not completely clear just why he ended up dead. It could have been for the sake of revenge. It could have been because of concerns that he knew more information and he needed to be silenced. Regardless of the reasons for his warning, however that warning at become a self fulfilling prophecy. On June Twentieth Sixteenth Seventy Five just twelve days after the executioners of the accused killers of John Sassaman. A group of Indians raided the village of Swansea. The inhabitants fleeing is the town was rated and then burnt to the ground. It is actually not known if it had been Philip himself who had ordered this attack on Swansea? However, it was this attack that officially put everybody past the point of no return. Without a doubt, the settlers knew that they were going to have to address the attack on swancy. Within forty eight hours of the attack news had reached winslow winslow wasted no time in beginning the process of raising an army to go protect swansea from further incursion. Already however several structures had burned, and most of the town's residents had fled for their lives. The initial force being sent to protect Swansea was under the command of William Bradford. Now for just a bit of clarity I don't actually see anywhere in the record where William Bradford goes by the MONIKER OF JUNIOR I will tell you that. This is indeed William Bradford Junior and that. Yes, he is the son of William. Bradford the same William Bradford that we had spent so much time with last season. This of course makes sense because I pointed out earlier today that by this point, the elder Bradford had been dead for the last eighteen years. Is also this battle that Benjamin church is going to enter into our story. Benjamin Church was born in Sixteen thirty nine in Plymouth. Church have become wealthy. Relatively speaking through his work is a land speculator. Eat was also known for having a close relationship with the natives that he met and was by all rights popular amongst the different tribes. Benjamin Church would also form a real knack for INDIANAP- at important battles. This would prove critical for his legacy. Because years after the war, he wrote. One of the most complete accounts of this war is accounts of the war are still largely relied upon today, therefore much of the information we are going to be discussing about this. War is provided to us through churches own writings. Bradford would arrive quickly reaching swansea by June twenty-fourth. However by that point, we know that any hope of a sediment was long gone. When Bradford arrived several Indians like dead. They had been shot and killed by the town's residents, but tribe that had been doing the harassing responded by killing nine of the English colonists over the next several days, small skirmishes continued to break out with the Indians who would strike quickly on the edges of the English lines. The Swansea residents had fled to nearby miles garrison where a guard and several residents were killed in an attack. Attack with the Death Count Mount He. It became very obvious everybody that this wasn't going to be some minor event. That will be put down with some kind of an agreement, but rather was the outbreak of a much more substantial conflict, the shock of the attack swansea was not something that just was contained to the colonists and Plymouth, but it quickly spread throughout all of new, England. Everybody throughout New England happened on edge for years as the quasi cold war between the WAMPOA in Plymouth had broken out. Therefore, as soon as word about the swansea attack kit, the Massachusetts Bay colony was quick to join the fight and offer their assistance to Plymouth. The early days of the war were a hectic rush on both sides. In many ways, this was not really aware that anybody was expecting. And yet almost immediately after beginning, things quickly avalanched into a full conflict that would ultimately embroiled all of New England. The immediate need however on both sides was to as quickly as possible, get control over the situation and established their battle lines. For Philip that meant Ryan is many other tribes to his side as possible to compete with the English numerical advantage. This was not necessarily as easy of a task as it sounds. Remember that there is not one native American tribe that lives in New England rather, there are many many different tribes who often don't get along together. As we discussed extensively last season, even under Mousa, so the woman tribes were never something akin to the poyton confederacy in Virginia. There was significant infighting between the tribes, and there were plenty of Indian tribes who would have been just as happy to see. Philip and his jobs run over him battle. On the other hand, a lot of those same tribes that hated Philip also recognized that the situation in new. England was quickly becoming unsustainable. The English were expanding quickly and Indian. Tribes quickly found that their lands were being encroached on at an alarming rate. The English face similar issues. I for years the English had been happily trading weapons with the Indians. Something that was going to quickly become a serious concern for them. Poor very obvious reasons. The. English were always going to be better. Armed, however, dealing with an enemy with firearms is a very concerning thing for the English. English therefore. We're going to be pressed to ensure that this conflict state is most possible. Well, Phillip was trying to convince tribes historically hostile towards him to come and fight a common English threat. They English were doing exactly the opposite. They wanted to keep the war small and contained the goal. Therefore of the English was to get Indian tribes to join their cause and come fight for them. Doing this with both Deny Philip, additional manpower and firepower well at the same time, keeping as many of those guns as possible under English control, however, recognizing the getting Indian tribes to fight for them was going to be a hard sell. The English were for the most part. Okay, accepted promise of neutrality. Well there is always concerns with neutrality net. The parties might not be as neutral as you'd like. It is still better than having tribes become openly belligerent. The first troops from the Massachusetts colony were ready to join the action by the end of Judo Sixteen. Seventy five. What would initially follow were a few minor attempts to inflict some damage on the local pokanoka tribe. On June thirtieth an army under the command of Thomas Savage swept the peninsula, looking not only for the pokanoka tribe, but their leader bill up. What he found was distressing. And what is this distressing that he did find well. He found absolutely nothing. As it turns out the up and the POKANOKA people had managed to get out sometime before. Now as just a quick note, if you are wondering what Philip is doing with the Pokanoka people instead of the woman, no ad please know that these two tracks were very very close through the marriage of Philip's brother, the Pokanoka tribe and the woman Agua amongst the closest allies with each other, so hopefully that will help. Clear up what Philip was doing with the Boca people. Let us appearance of Philip, and the POKANOKA presidency twofold problem. At the most basic level it means that Philip is now gone. In a perfect World Phillip would be trapped on the peninsula. E would be quickly captured, and the entire war will be brought to a fast end. The second problem is that Phillips absence meant that he had not only escaped, but he'd likely had a chance to get into neighbouring groups and grow forces Philip is not going to evacuate into enemy territory, but rather is going to head somewhere. That is already friendly towards him. And now it is time to introduce one of the main themes of King Philip's war, complete incompetence and mismanagement. Salvage for his part knew exactly where Philip was kinda short, but there was still a chance that he could have been intercepted in the were voided, so of course he gave pursuit right. Wrong Thomas savage, rather than giving chase, descended to hang back and work on fortifying the Peninsula Benjamin Church upon learning of this was absolutely incensed. However the evidence suggests that even by this point, the English were still holding out hope that there will be some kind of settlement reached. This again shows a side of king. Philip's swore. That contrasts so heavily with bigots rebellion. There just wasn't that desire in New England for a war like what we saw in Virginia prior to his rebellion. Therefore what we do end up seeing is that even during these early days of the war there is an ongoing effort by the English to stave off further conflict. These efforts are themselves often a problem early on. As disgust beyond reestablishing a piece, the English wanted to do everything they could to limit the other jobs from joining the war effort. In these efforts, however, we often see the English making poor decisions more often than not. The English were just making an overall mess of everything. No example of this is going to end up being greater than in. They're dealing with the narrow Ganz at tribe. The NARRAGANSETT or one of the most powerful tribes in the region, and both the English End Philip sought to win them over. For the near against tribes seemed to be pretty resolved in the fact that they hated both Philip and the English. The job of winning the Narragansett over for the English Delta Edward Hutchinson the son of the late and Hutchinson. The problem is that Hutchinson didn't come over and try to narrow Ganz it rather. He walked in demanded that the near against handover hostages and that if they refused, they would be considered an enemy. Not surprisingly linear agains. It did not respond well to these over threats. However at least at this point, they are going to remain neutral. Despite what was seemingly the best efforts of the English to drive the Narragansett Phillips camp. They just aren't ready to go in that direction at least not yet. This is what the first month of King Philip's war merging look like. Both the English and Philip were running around trying to earn allies. The colonists were also going around trying to threaten groups into neutrality, which did little to actually earn them that end. At the same time in July of sixteen seventy five, it is important to note that it is not really marked by widespread warfare, but rather hit and run tactics by the Indians well. There isn't anything that resembles a large engagement. Skirmishes would rule the day. That you light forces under Philip Protecting Bird settlements at Middleborough, Taunton, old rebirth and Dartmouth. there. There was a single engagement on July. Nineteenth, one troupe under Hutchinson happened to catch up with the rear. The WOMP NO AG. There was a brief engagement. A handful on both were killed. However yet again. The Communists may be baffling decision not to pursue the woman warriors. The English believe that they would rather be able to quickly block off all escape routes and essentially trap Philip. This poor attempt at work however would fall well short. Philip knew the land better than the colonists, and he was able to slip right out. It is worth noting however that as a result of the escape Philip was required to leave behind the women and children as crossing with them was simply too dangerous. Most of them were captured and would ultimately be sold into slavery. The story of those early days of King Philip's war can be seen as an escalating series of skirmishes. Well there was a few minor engagements most of the damage during that first month came from Indian hit and run tactics on the English towns. The. English spent most of their. I love trying to convince an often threaten other tribes into either alliances or more, generally neutrality. However even within the first month, the English had already made decisions that would profoundly affect the long term outcome of the war. As. We are going to see next time. Poor decision. Making is going to come back to cost English dearly. Next time we are going to continue to look at how king. Philip's quickly grew. To this point, we have seen small skirmishes next time we're going to be looking at some of the biggest battles of the war with that. I hope you are all staying healthy and staying safe. I hope you all have a wonderful two weeks and I will see you back here next time as we will move through the major battles of King Philip's war.

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Queen Isabella Pt. 1: England

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Queen Isabella Pt. 1: England

"After the Roman Empire fell in the four hundred Europe plunged into the dark ages. Men from. So called barbarian tribes sucked to control land in the ensuing power vacuum and in almost all of these cases diplomacy was replaced by brutal violence men were at the forefront of these battles. Women were expected to be seen not heard they were supposed to so by the fire while their husbands made history. To be witnesses to others. Greatness. Even when it came to royalty the wives of kings and Lords had one job and one job only to produce male heirs in order to remain in power, the royal bloodline must continue. However, that didn't mean every noble woman was content to be an air making bargaining chip some wanted power for themselves. From bloody wars to ruthless backroom dealings, these women were willing to do whatever it took to get ahead. They put aside their sewing needles and picked up a lance. They betrayed their closest advisors stabbed. Loved ones in the back. Many historians have labeled them as mercilus cruel. Bloodthirsty in reality, these women were just as ambitious as their male counterparts, and if they had to crack a few skulls to get what they wanted. So be it. Welcome to dictators a podcast original I'm Richard and I'm kate on this show were going deep into the minds of some of history's most hated despots. Today we begin our season on bloody female rulers in the Middle Ages and Renaissance Isabella of France, Isabela of Casteel and Mary the I of England. These three women refused to let the social norms of the era dictate their place in history. They craved power just like the men of their day and were willing to do whatever it took to grasp hold of it. You can find all episodes of dictators and all other park originals for free on spotify to stream dictators free on spotify, just open the APP and type dictators in the search bar. Today, we're exploring the life of Isabella of France actually the queen of England from thirteen o eight to thirteen thirty. We'll examine her rocky partnership with King Edward the second and see what drove her to rebel against her husband. Next week, we'll track Isabella's rebellion and follow. It's chaotic and bloody aftermath as her rule drives England into chaos. Coming up will explore the rise of Bella of France. This episode is brought to you by Lysol. Reducing the spread of illness is in everyone's hands and it really helps if those hands are clean. Protect yourself and others by continuing to follow important hygienic guidelines like regular handwashing, Lysol what it takes to protect find more healthy habits at Lysol Dot Com? They say leaders are born they're made but in medieval Europe that wasn't the case Isabella of France had one purpose in life to be royalty no matter how fit she was to be a leader she was going to be one and she was thrust into this role when she was only four years old in the twelve ninety s Isabella's father King Philip the fourth of France was entangled in conflict with his English counterpart King Edward the first. However, Edwards main focus was different conflict a heated war with Scotland. At the time Scotland was its own independent country, but a succession crisis through the country into disarray capitalizing on the unrest King Edward stepped in and tried to claim Scotland for himself. However, Scottish King John Bellio had other ideas to keep from being pulled in two directions at once King Edward agreed to smooth things over with. France. By betrothed his son also named Edward to King Philip's daughter Isabella Their engagement solidified anglo-french relations and allowed King Edward to focus on Scotland Considering Isabella was only four when the Betrothal was arranged in twelve ninety nine. There was no rush for her and fifteen year old Prince Edward to wed even if the union was only symbolic but eight years later, the state of affairs became much more urgent. On July. Seventh Thirteen O seven sixty eight year old King Edward died on his way to wage a campaign against the king of Scotland. His twenty three year old son immediately succeeded him officially becoming King Edward the second the new monarch inherited a kingdom in turmoil. The war with Scotland had emptied the Royal Treasury and although relations with France were much more improved. There was still lingering tension between the two countries over English controlled land in France making matters worse a decade earlier Scotland and France had signed a mutual aid treaty. If they both attacked England at the same time, the English wouldn't stand a chance. It was imperative for Young Edward and Isabella's wedding to move forward at once betrothed those could be called off at any moment but once a couple was married divorce was practically impossible. Thanks to the Catholic Church. With Isabella as queen of England peace with France would be much easier. The wedding was held on January twenty fifth thirteen o Eight twenty-three-year-old King Edward. The second traveled across to France for the ceremony which took place at the Notre, Dame church in the city of Bologna. It's impossible to know how twelve year old Isabella felt about the union. But it safe to assume that she accepted the Union as inevitable at the time getting married for the sake of love, was a foreign concept especially for royalty is possible. She was even excited for her wedding. She had literally spent her entire life preparing for this occasion. She most likely didn't remember a time when she wasn't betrothed to Edward it didn't hurt that Edward was quite the looker according to contemporary chroniclers. He was a solid six feet tall and very handsome. He enjoyed physical labor and was described as one of the strongest men in his realm at present. However, their physical relationship was less important than their diplomatic one. Isabella was still too young to produce air. But that didn't mean she wasn't capable of maneuvering her way around the English court and from the moment she was married. Isabella had to compete with another for Edwards favor. While he was in France for the wedding Edward had to appoint a regent to take care of day to day matters back in England. The expectation was that he'd give the honor to one of his two half brothers keeping power in the family. Instead. He appointed the Earl of Cornwall Peers Galveston in terms of bloodlines Galveston didn't have much of a pedigree. But he and Edward were extremely close. Edward I met Galveston in thirteen hundred when he was sixteen, we don't know exactly why. But in thirteen o seven Edwards father banished Gavitt into France probably because he and the younger Edward had grown a little too close for comfort. Many historians have speculated that Edward the second and peers Galveston were lovers whether or not. That's true Galveston who was a few years older than Edward, the second did have significant influence with his prince. The moment Edward the second ascended to his father's throne in thirteen o seven. He recalled Galveston from exile and gave him the prestigious earldom of Cornwall. He also arranged Galveston's marriage with Edwards. Niece. Margaret Declare. This unique influence was on full display. The moment Edward Return to English soil with his new wife when he and Isabella landed at Dover on February seven thirteen. Galveston was there to greet them according to one chronicler. Edward was so happy. He's shower Galveston with kisses. This behavior may seem scandalous, but Edwards affection with Galveston wasn't the problem it was that he didn't show the same affection to the nobles who came to see him and Edwards preference for Galveston didn't just come at the other nobles expense most importantly, it was a direct insult to his new queen. Edward and Isabella's official coronation was held on February twenty. Fifth Thirteen. Zero Eight. Peers galveston played a significant role in the proceedings he was in charge of carrying the royal crown and had the coveted role of walking in front of Edward in Isabela. Instead, of wearing cloth of gold as befitting, the nobility Galveston was draped in royal purple. One observer remarked, the GALVESTON was more splendidly dressed than the king and it didn't stop there. At the banquet following the coronation Galveston's coat of arms was displayed alongside Edwards while Isabela's was nowhere to be found. We don't know exactly how Isabella felt about this proverbial slap in the face. But even at twelve years old, the insult wouldn't have gone unnoticed she was after all the daughter of a king in any case Edwards nobles were plenty angry even if it wasn't necessarily on Isabella's behalf shortly after the coronation, they demanded that King. Edward banished peers. Galveston. Once again for overstepping his place in the social hierarchy, he refused instead of banishing galveston Edward instructed his armies to prepare for war. The military was Edwards only recourse against his own court. He knew that stripping the insulin nobles of their titles would largely go ignored only by force. Could he subdue them? The nobles demanding Galveston's exile responded in kind. It seemed as though Isabella's reign as queen of England might only last for a few months all because King Edward refused to abandon peers. Galveston. The brewing conflict created a sharp divide in Isabela's family. Her Aunt Marguerite who was the late King Edward the first widow took the side of the Anti. Galveston Nobles Isabella's father King Philip. The Fourth of France also refused to let Galveston's insolence go unpunished on May fourteenth thirteen eight Philip declared that anyone who took peers Galveston side was his mortal enemy perhaps sensing that his wife's loyalties were being tested. Edward awarded Isabella the revenues from Ponte an English ruled region in France and he provided her with an independent household of nearly two hundred people. This seems to have been enough to placate Isabella, but even with her standing by his side, Edward was outnumbered and in June thirteen o eight, he gave in an exiled peers. Galveston to Ireland. With Galveston out of the picture, Isabella. Took on a more prominent role at court even at her young age Edward allowed his wife to have a say in matters of state including finances. And on August sixteenth thirteen, await the two of them jointly appointed a government official in Isabela's lands of Ponte. Isabella's influence was evident in the historical record throughout thirteen o eight and thirty nine. There were several legal pardons and financial grants awarded at the instance of Queen Isabella. Edward regained his nobles favor and in exchange for giving them more influence at court, he convinced them to allow peers Galveston to return from exile. This promise disappeared upon Galveston's return. Rather than show humility the restored earl of Cornwall lorded his favorites status over the other nobles. Galveston was so petty. He even gave his counterparts belittling nicknames. For instance, he called Thomas Earl of Lancaster the fiddler but Lancaster wasn't one to be trifled with on top of being Edward's cousin and Isabella's uncle he was the richest man in England. He especially didn't appreciate peers GALVESTON's insolence Lancaster was determined to rid England of Galveston once and for all even if it meant going up against his niece Queen Isabella. Coming up. Isabella rides to war against an unexpected enemy. History politics true crime, the new spotify original from podcast. 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Around June of thirteen o nine fourteen year old Isabela of France had to quietly endure the return of king. Edward. The second favourite nobleman peers Galveston. However, not everyone in the English court was so accommodating in March thirteen, ten Thomas of Lancaster the richest man in England and a coalition of Nobles once again voiced their displeasure with Galveston's undue influence over the king. Calling themselves the Lords or Deigner, they demanded to place reforms on Edward's household. If he refused dior dangers threatened to forcibly depose Edward as expected, the king refused to give into their demands instead he raised an army. But it wasn't to fight the ordinary. There's it was for the still unsettled conflict with Scotland, even today many world leaders, US military conflict to paper over a precarious political position. King Edward, the second was no different. His father had never defeated the Scots. So if Edward could subdue them the nobles who opposed him couldn't argue that he was a week king the campaign lasted from November thirteen, ten to August thirteen eleven. Fifteen year old Isabella accompanied her husband North to the port of Berek upon tweed where Edward coordinated his army. But with only three of the eleven English supporting him Edward didn't have the numbers to defeat the now Scottish King Robert. The Bruce in fact, Edward never even faced Bruce in battle as a result Thomas of Lancaster and the other ordains had the clout to impose massive restrictions on Edwards power as part of the forty one or is Edward was barred from unilaterally declaring war and couldn't even depart from England without the ordains. Permission. And of course, they demanded peers GALVESTON's exile. Stuck between a rock and a hard place Edward had no choice but to agree. On November first, thirteen eleven Galveston once again left England and like the first two exiles, the third didn't take by January thirteen twelve beers. Galveston was back realizing her husband would never abandon galveston seventeen year old Isabella took charge of the situation while Edward and Galveston were ensconced together in the city of York Isabella sent letters to Thomas of Lancaster and other influential daivs on her husband's behalf. Perhaps realizing that her diplomatic efforts were lost cause Isabella joined Edward Galveston in the northern English city of York around February twenty first thirteen twelve. Edward. was apparently very grateful to have her by his side. Shortly, after arriving, she became pregnant with their first child. We don't know if they actively tried to conceive before this point or if Edward had even slept with Isabelle yet Edward seemed to have respected the fact that Isabella was far too young to bear children when they were first married and besides he was rather occupied with peers Galveston but as of February thirteen twelve, he certainly had is for Isabella however that didn't mean Edward moved on from peers Galveston. Fact he cared so much about Galveston he offered to officially recognize Robert the Bruce as king of Scotland in exchange for sheltering Galveston from Thomas of Lancaster and the dangers. Bruce refused the offer he said he couldn't trust Edward to hold up his end of the bargain after all Edward had promised to exile Galveston twice and each time he reneged on his word with Robert, the Bruce refusing to help Edward didn't dare to risk the danger of returning to London. What he didn't realise though was that the danger was coming to him. while. Isabella Edward and Galveston were holed up in the northern city of Newcastle Thomas of Lancaster was slowly making his way north. On the surface, he was traveling around the country hosting jousting tournaments. In reality, he was using the events as an excuse to recruit an army on May third thirteen twelve Edward learned that Lancaster's forces were only a few hours away. They took the king completely by surprise Edward and Galveston fled to scarborough while Isabella return to the fortified safety of York Edward Left Galveston in Scarborough on May tenth thirteen twelve then continued on to join Isabella in York. It seems strange that Edward would abandon him but Galveston was sick at the time he may have been too weak to travel whatever Edwards reason for leaving Galveston was it was a huge mistake shortly after he left Scarborough Lancaster's allies arrived to besiege the castle housing Galveston Gav Ston didn't stand a chance. He surrendered after nine days on May twenty eighth thirteen twelve he was officially taken. Prisoner truck near York Edward was powerless to help Galveston his captors knew that exiling Galveston was pointless and they imprisoned him Edward With stop at nothing to get him back. So on June nineteenth thirteen twelve, they murdered Galveston and left his dead body lying in the Road Edward learned of the execution one week. Later, he returned to London once leaving Isabella behind in York for her own safety. We don't know how Isabella felt about Galveston's death, but it was most likely a mix of relief and anger on the one hand. Edward was clearly in love with the Galveston perhaps even more than with Isabela. But on the other the or had struck a powerful blow against the monarchy by killing the king's favourite and by extension that put Isabela in a precarious position civil war seemed inevitable. But a few days before Christmas thirteen twelve, both sides stood down. No matter how much Edward Loved Peers Galveston his grief wasn't worth unnecessary bloodshed, and for the Ordain hers their mission was already accomplished all they really about was getting rid of Galveston perhaps Edwards willingness to let the insult go came from the birth of his and Isabella's son on November thirteenth thirteen twelve also named Edward the baby boy cemented his father's legacy. The. Older. Edward, may have preferred to secure his heirs future rather than risk everything to avenge peers GALVESTON's death although seventeen year old Isabella was a new mother. She wasn't expected to drop all her royal duties to raise little Edward. Instead she placed him in the care of a wet nurse while Edward. The thirds parents spent as much time with him as possible given their responsibilities he was raised independently from and a separate household with their son uniting them and peers. Galveston Gone King. Edward the second and Isabella Group closer than ever on May twenty, third thirteen thirteen, they traveled to France marking the first time Isabella returned to her homeland since her wedding five years earlier there deepening bond was illustrated by near crisis that took place one night while they were staying in the city of Pontoise is. One that could have changed. The course of history had things gone differently. While the royal couples slept a fire broke out in their silk draped pavilion, the flames consumed everything in sight but before the fire could devour the royal couple, Edward Leapt into action, he scooped Isabella into his arms and carried her to safety. This isn't to say that he wouldn't have tried to save Isabela. He didn't love her but it was affection not duty that propelled his actions that night. chroniclers such as Joffrey of Peres remarked that. Edwards. Saved. Isabela because love made him do it. They had come a long way from Edward not even bothering to Hang Isabella's coat of arms at their coronation they're growing partnership seems to have spurred Edwards willingness to make peace with Thomas of Lancaster and the Lords who killed Peers Galveston Upon returning to England Edward officially pardoned them on October sixteenth thirteen thirteen in the records from this mass pardon Edward made sure to specifically call his wife our very dear Lady Lady Isabella. Queen of England Isabella had taken on prominent role in affairs of State Edward trusted her so much. He even allowed her to conduct important negotiations on her own. In late February thirteen, fourteen, eighteen year, old Isabella was sent to parley with her father King Philip. The Fourth of France over issues relating to the English controlled gascony region in France. The two countries had traded the area back and forth over the years, and there was still some legal wrangling taking place over the deel negotiations appeared to have gone well, and Isabella's diplomatic efforts allowed Edward to focus on other more pressing matters. Once again, trouble was brewing with Scotland King Robert. The Bruce of Scotland had grown bold and was leading incursions into England in June thirteen thirteen bruce's men encircled the strategically important stirling castle, which guarded crucial crossing over the river forth Edward couldn't let such an insult go on answered in the spring of thirteen fourteen. He planned to campaign to defend stirling castle however like his last for a north only three. Signed Onto Edwards mission most notably Thomas of Lancaster refused to join the mission. Normally, this insolence would be punished but even after forgiving the or daivs Edward, didn't have the political capital to bend Lancaster to his will even so enough nobleman joined the cause for Edward to move forward with the plan Isabella travelled north with him and waited in the port city of Barrick upon tweed. Once again, Edwards effort to defeat Robert the bruce was a spectacular failure at the battle of Bannockburn. Bruce's men overwhelmed Edwards cavalry which got bogged down in the marshy terrain. On June twenty seventh thirteen fourteen Edward Return to barrick upon tweed in humiliation. Instead of arriving at the head of a triumphant army, he limped back in a borrowed fishing boat with only a few men by his side. The humiliating defeat allowed Thomas of Lancaster to move against. Edward, with Edward's forces depleted Lancaster was able to force the king to replace his household officers with men sympathetic to himself. He also compelled Edward to accept a paltry allowance of ten pounds a day while this was a large sum for the time it paled in comparison to Lancaster's income, which was a staggering eleven thousand pounds per year. Essentially Edward was at his rivals mercy in early thirteen, Sixteen Lancaster. It'd his increased power at a meeting of parliament on February twelfth he bullied his way into being named the chief of Edward's Council Edward didn't take this appointment well, in August thirteen sixteen, the two men had a furious face to face argument and the relationship deteriorated even further. Perhaps as an olive branch Isabella, asked her Uncle Lancaster to be the godfather of her newborn son John. He refused despite this slap in the face Edward and Isabella kept trying to mend fences. This fraught relationship was approaching the point of no return. If something didn't change, England would likely descended into a civil war according to the chronicle of the life of Edward the second twenty, three year old Isabella took charge in brokering peace. Though. It's unclear exactly what she did. It's possible. She was responsible for organizing a coalition of Nobles who shepherded the truce. The two men agreed to on August seventh thirteen eighteen in exchange for Edward promising to uphold the ordinances imposed on him in thirteen eleven. Lancaster agreed to stop holding armed assemblies. It seemed as though the kingdom was unified and peace would come to England but as one rival receded another one emerged, but this new enemy wasn't a threat to Edward he was read to Isabela. Coming up Isabella faces another challenge for her husband's affections. This episode is brought to you by Lysol. The best way to reduce the spread of illness is to protect yourself and others. So, Lysol is here with sixty ways to do just that. 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But in thirteen eighteen, all that progress was undone when Edward appointed a new Chamberlain Hugh Dispenser the younger. Dispenser was married to Edward's niece and by becoming his chamberlain, he grew even closer to the king. All Access to Edward went through dispenser and the New Chamberlain took personal advantage of that connection. He gained significant influence at court by requiring a bribe in exchange for an audience with Edward Edward either didn't know about this or didn't care dispenser quickly became his most trusted adviser and perhaps even more. Rumors swirled that dispenser was Edwards Lover By this point Isabella was used to her husband's affection for men in addition to his romance with peers Galveston. At the beginning of Isabela's rain Edward had indulged a rotating cast of male favorites in the years since galveston's murder none of this particularly seem to bother Isabela although Edwards dalliances may have been annoying none threatened her position of power. Edward always treated Isabella with the respect she deserved as Queen. However, he failed to show the same deference to the nobles at his court just like Edward had done with peers Galveston, he showed far too much favouritism to Hugh Dispenser. The younger in October thirteen twenty. He gave Dispenser Lordship over the Valuable Gower Peninsula in southern. Wales. He did. So at the expense of several nobles who had better claims to the land. These lords were known as the marchers because the land between England and Wales was called the March and in December thirteen twenty they marched back to their castles and vowed to overthrow Hugest Spencer the younger their leader was a familiar face king. Edward's cousin Thomas of Lancaster. Though he barely had any land in the march, Lancaster was more interested in resuming hostilities with Edward. Then in protecting any Welsh Holdings, the marchers demanded that Edward Exile Hugh Dispenser Unsurprisingly Edward resisted instead of giving into the marchers demands. Edward raised an Army on March first thirteen twenty one and left to confront his rebellious underlings in the past Isabella would have accompanied Edward as trusted partner. But this time he left Isabella. Behind. Instead Hugh Dispenser accompanied him to face the marchers without Isabella at his side Edwards failed to mollify the marchers instead he only antagonize them further on May Second Thirteen Twenty one he made dispenser the custodian of Marlborough Castle although it wasn't located in Wales just the act of giving him more land was a slap in the marchers faces. And they responded in kind. Two days after the Marlborough Castle designation, the Marchers Attack Dispensers Holdings in southern Wales. These actions kicked off what was known as the Dispenser War after mercilessly looting the Welsh countryside, the marchers turn their attention toward London. Parliament was scheduled to meet in mid July and the marchers wanted to use their influence to force Edwards hand they arrived in London on July twenty ninth thirteen, twenty one with their armies surrounding the city they demanded Hugh dispenser the youngsters exile. If Edward refused, they would forcefully. Him and yet Edwards still refused Isabella realized the severity of the situation with her thrown at risk. She threw pride out the window and literally begged Edward to cede to the marchers demands Edwards saw reason. He agreed to exile Spencer, but it wasn't a promise. He intended to keep the moment dispenser left Edwards started plotting ways to facilitate his return. In order to bring Dispenser Back Edward Needed, more people to join his cause which meant he needed public sentiment to be on his side twenty, six year old Isabella was a crucial part of his plan to get it no matter how much Isabella disliked dispenser. She actually hated the marchers more Edward was still her husband a threat to him was a threat to his Abella around October thirteenth three, hundred, twenty, one Isabela stopped at Leeds Castle, for the night during a pilgrimage to Canterbury. The castle belonged to Lord Bartholomew Battles Mirror who was aligned with the marchers. But as Queen of England Isabella, had the legal right to demand shelter for the night even so Lord Battles Moore's wife who is watching the castle while her husband was away denied. Isabella's request just as the king and Queen had hoped in response to this in Salt Edward or a siege of Leeds Castle. Unlike his previous forays to Scotland, almost every English earl came to fight for Isabella's honor with the notable exception of the troublesome Thomas of Lancaster. The castle fell in a matter of days even though the marchers army was still four times bigger than Edwards momentum was firmly on the kingside. In early thirteen, twenty, two Edwards forces seized two of Thomas of Lancaster castles around the same time. The Royal Army captured prominent Marcher Lord, Roger Mortimer of with more. With Lancaster severely weakened and Roger Mortimer and Irons Edward was back on top on March, third thirteen, twenty, two, he allowed Hugh dispenser the younger to return to England as Lancaster's army retreated. Isabella wrote to the sheriffs of Cumberland and Yorkshire intercept him their combined forces met Lancaster at the town of Borough Bridge on. March sixteenth thirteen twenty two. Thanks to Isabela's brilliant strategy. Lancaster was captured in the battle's aftermath. He was sentenced to death shortly after Edward purposely had lancaster's execution mirror appears Galveston's the king forced his cousin to ride atop a mule to the summit of a small hill where he was then beheaded. Records show that Isabella was probably there to witness it with the marchers. Edward confiscated their lands however Isabella didn't receive any of the spoils instead almost all of the rewards went to Hugh dispenser the younger. In the aftermath of the war Isabella's influenced dwindled as dispensers grew in thirteen, twenty, two and thirteen, twenty three she practically disappeared from the historical record. It seems that even though Isabella played a crucial role in dispensers return, she was still being punished for asking. Edward to exile him back in thirteen twenty one. and. Edwards Preference for dispenser over her wasn't just a blow to Isabella's honor. It put her very life endanger in late thirteen, twenty, two Edward organized yet another campaign against his northern Nemesis King Robert the Bruce of Scotland. As always it was a catastrophic failure and this time Isabella got caught in the crossfire has edward retreated from the northern border. Bruce led a counter invasion into England. Isabella who is staying in Tyne mouth at the time was trapped about eight hundred miles north of Edwards position. She was certain that Hugh Dispenser was guilty of falsely and treacherously counseling the king to leave her in peril thankfully, Isabella managed to reach safety before Robert the Bruce's men arrived but what she perceived as her abandonment left a bitter taste in her mouth and it never went away. After the failed thirteen, twenty, two Scottish campaign things went from bad to worse for Edward on August I thirteen twenty three Marcher Lord Roger Mortimer escaped from the tower. Of London and fled to France. And thanks to renewed tensions between Edward and the French king mortimer welcomed with open arms by now Isabela's brother. Charles. Had ascended to their father's throne since Edward controlled the lands, of Pontiac and Gascony in. He technically had to pay homage to the new king but as a monarch in his own right Edward didn't want to kneel to a man. He considered his equal as the two rulers played chicken over this symbolic ceremony. Those tensions blood into the two countries. Diplomatic relations things were particularly troublesome in the English controlled French village of Saint. Does which country had jurisdiction over the small town had been a matter of contention for years but things finally came to a ahead on October fifteen thirteen, twenty three when a French soldier place to stake in the middle of the village claiming it for France. In retaliation the local English lord hanged the French soldier and burned down sense are dose. The French king took matters into his own hands on July fifth thirteen, twenty four, he seized Edwards Holdings in France and with that the war of Samsar dose commenced. On July twenty first Edward arrested every French subject living. In England, he confiscated their possessions claiming it was payment for the income. He lost from his French Holdings this extended to Isabella. Edward confiscated his own wife's lands in Cornwall and in the counties of Oxfordshire and Wiltshire although we don't know exactly how Isabella reacted to this insult, she seems to put on a brave face in early thirteen twenty-five she agreed to go to France in an. Attempt to arrange a peace between her husband and her brother after being sidelined for years thirty year old Isabella was finally back in the game she was being trusted with the most important diplomatic mission of her life even though Edward had neglected her during the past few years, he still had a great deal of faith in his wife but perhaps, he shouldn't have trusted her although Isabella left England as a diplomat she would return as a conqueror. Thanks for listening to dictators. Next week, we'll follow Isabella stunning turn on Edward, and their battle over the English throne among the many sources we used we found Isabella of France, the rebel Queen by Catherine, warriner Helpful to our research, you can find all episodes of dictators and all other podcast originals for free on spotify. Not. 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2.13 New England on the Eve of War

The Political History of the United States

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2.13 New England on the Eve of War

"Hello and welcome to the political history of the United States. Episode two point thirteen. New England on the eve of war. When we left off last time we were discussing the legacy of big billion for Virginia. It has been an underlying theme in the past seven episodes, and will continue to be moving forward that question of the colonies place in the English empire in the episodes on New York, we saw that there was a demand for assembly during the late sixteenth seventies in the early eighties, these demands are finally met through the new or Charter of liberties. Begins Rebellion in Virginia again questioned the paradigm that had come to exist in the colonies. We had seen that question arise from the big enforces about possible independence in the chesapeake something that was very unlikely to ever amount to more than a pipedream sixteen, Seventy six, though the question was still being asked. Those questions of independence were being asked even before the English, occupation began after the rebellion. Recall from last time that occupation was deeply unpopular and really did to make Virginia's question, their role in the empire. In fact, it is this occupation that would end up being so unpopular that it would reconcile the relationship between the former Berkeley elites and the common farmers. As we discussed, the transition had been pretty clear for them shirt. Both sides had just been shooting at one another. However, both groups could agree on their mutual hate of the English occupiers. Well, any thoughts of independence were quickly extinguished in the winning months of sixteen, Seventy six. The position of the colonists was clearly that they wanted minimal interaction with another country. They wanted England to serve basically a landlord, they within a check at the end of the month, and if something ever goes wrong, we'll let you now. Otherwise please leave us alone. At the end of the day beacons rebellion marked for Virginia the beginning of an identity that was separate and distinct from the home islands across the Atlantic. People were living in Virginia longer now. No are was Virginia a place. The UN for a couple years got rich and then return to the conference of England if it ever was. By the end of the seventeenth century, people were spending their entire lives within in the American colonies. However that is disgusting. The colonies in Virginia Virginia had always been more friendly towards the crown. Recall that they had held out at least for a while following the death of Charles, the first they had been quick to proclaim Charles the second is king, and even after Cromwell for their capitulation, Virginia would later elect William Berkeley new had been formerly the king's give it or under Charles the first to be there governor once again. This stands in stark contrast to the New England colonies. In New England basically from the moment of their inception they had been far more hostile to English rule. This isn't to say that. There was an independence movement in Seventeenth Century New England. There certainly wasn't however the colonists. An English had very differing views on daily life. Even by looking at just those early decades, there really is no surprise. We learned that the civil disobedience that would lead to the revolution would find its home, Boston. In the sixteen seventy S, England was not looking to throw off English colonial rule. However. They certainly weren't inviting the English into their towns more than absolutely necessary. Let new, England colonies were more than happy to do their own thing their own way. Any attempted interference from England was typically denounced as being arbitrary government. The. New, England. Colonies were and would remain throughout their entire time as an English property, the first place to call out the tyranny of the home islands. Therefore, when the North American colonies experience a rash of uprisings, beginning throughout the sixteen seventy S, there should be little surprised that the new England colonies were willing to be right in the middle of everything as we are going to see as we move forward the season tensions in New England are going to build to several conflicts that will help define life in new, England for decades to. All of this is going to go further to help explain the actual position of new. England in the Greater English fear as well as New England's perceived position in the empire. These questions are going to enlarge. Part caused tensions that will never fully be resolved, and we'll still be simmering when the colonies declare independence a century later. Before we can fully dive into King Phillips War however I want to go back and look at some other events going on in the New England colonies. Since the last time we left them behind. What many of the events we talk about today are not going to directly play major factors in the war to come these events combined with the ultimate war are to completely color. What happens afterwards? Therefore to fully understand the consequences of King Philip's war, we need to look at the general state of New England on the eve of that war. King Philip's war was not an uprising against the crown like Bacon's rebellion. King Philip was in fact, the Chief of the woman no AG tribe Manikam. MEDICOM was the son of Massa weight and took control of the tribe following his father's death in sixteen sixty one. If you recall we spend a lot of time with mass. Await backdrop our first season. When we discuss those first years in Plymouth, we will come back into a quick refresher masses away towards the end of today. So if you don't remember all the gory details I'll help you out. For the greater story here it is critical that we understand the relationship that existed between the English and the colonists in New England. Because, well King Philip's war would not be an uprising against the English directly. It is an event that is going to have profound effects on the relationship between the English and their New England colonists. The Virginia settlers back in sixteen o seven came to Virginia because they wanted to get rich. They saw a level full of opportunities and open for exploitation. Verging it did what they could remain loyal to house steward during the English civil wars immediately following the execution of Charles, I, the Virginians were quick to proclaim their recognition of Charles, the second as the new rifle king, when given the chance they were quick to reelect William Berkeley as governor after he had been ousted for being an appointee of Charles the first. After the death of Charles the I, it took a naval blockade. Who get the Virginia colonists to capitulate and recognize the protectorate under Oliver Cromwell? It is really not until after Bacon's rebellion during that period of English occupation that we begin to see the cracks in the foundation between the crowd ever Jinya. However, New England had always been different from Virginia. The settlers in New England did not set out with the idea of untapped resources. Wealth of they could get, but rather they saw something entirely different. That is not to say that the New England colonies had no interest in material gain. It alone however fall short of explaining the reasons for their imagination to North America. Instead the New England colonies were trying to escape persecution. The settlers in Plymouth had left England because they couldn't practice their religion in the open without substantial risk. Well. They enjoyed their lives in the Netherlands. This presented other problems for the group. Concerned that their way of life was now in danger from the corrupting influence of people outside of their group. They wanted to go somewhere where they would be able to live a life without dangerous corrupting influences. Time being able to publicly worship the way they wanted. Well such a place does not exist within Europe North America could provide just that. It was a place that was separated from the rest of the world and the evils that contained. Later during the sixteen thirty s when the great migration caused the population of Boston and the Massachusetts Bay colony to suddenly jump, it was because Charles. The I was actively persecuting puritans. Being a period in England was dangerous endeavor, and was a great way to find yourself locked in the Tower of London. There were fears fears that weren't without merit that Charles the I was an enemy at best to the PURITANS, and at worst was a Catholic sympathiser. Who is going to attempt to reintroduce Catholicism in, England. Either way the dangers were very real. Any caused a mass exodus appeared in from England in the Sixteenth Thirties. So whereas the Virginia settlers came for the chance to make money the New England. Settlers were seeking a place where they could be free of the persecution that gripped the home islands. They were looking to create a city upon a hill. It should therefore come as little surprise that with the new. England colonies Charles the I was not a popular figure. The New England colonists openly supported parliament in the English civil wars, and indeed a few callers did go back to England to fight. You tears were shed when the execution of Charles the first place. When the students returned to power, following the restoration colonies New England were not exactly thrilled by that development. What follows is a relationship that is tested best between the colonists and the crown. But last time that we spent time in New England Mary Dyer and the rest of the Boston, martyrs had just been executed for being quakers. The death of the boss martyrs was not viewed positively in England. The chrome felt as though the puritans had just stepped away out of bounds. This leads to a Royal Commission being appointed to investigate what was going on in new. England Charles. The second by this point was becoming increasingly concerned of the extent of his power over the new. England colonists. The concern was that new. England did not really seem to be following the program, nor did. They seem particularly interested in getting on board. Instead New England was operating in a fashion that would have given the outside observer, the idea that New England was just doing its own thing separate from Royal Authority. It was following the Royal Commission of Sixteen, Sixty four, which had purportedly got on the colony back in line with royal prerogative that reports had once again begun to surface that the new England colonists were enjoying unchecked power. By Sixteen, Seventy three, these reports began coming in from a captain wind-borne. wind-borne had landed in Massachusetts in sixteen, seventy, three to reprovisioned himself. He would remain in Massachusetts for the next three months during which time he would to his dismay you. How far off course? The Massachusetts, colony had strayed if you recall from our episodes, both on beacons billion and before that New York the navigation acts had become a truly despised thing throughout all of the North American colonies the navigation acts were being blamed for hurting local economies as well as making it impractical to trade between the different colonies something that they had previously depended upon. However Wealth Virginia and New York would oftentimes loudly complain about the new acts they've for the most part follow the orders, however windward reports a much different situation coming out of New England. He claims that the acts there were all, but completely ignored ships would sail into Boston harbor on an almost daily basis from foreign countries where they were loaded up with goods, and promptly sent on their way, according to win born when he confronted the colonial leaders about this clear breach of the navigation acts. Response, the HIGA was something of. and. A yeah, okay, we'll get right on that. Now. This was obviously of a concern to win born. He was after all a royal officer was indeed the first visit Massachusetts. Since the sixteen sixty four group came following the execution of the Boston martyrs. wind-borne would find further complaints in the fact that the settlers of Massachusetts had little interest in doing anything that would not directly serve their own needs. wind-borne learn this. When he made the request that the bay connie sensors to help their brethren down in New York where the Dutch were working on recapturing their loss colony. According to win by report, however, he was roundly shot down on this idea. The settlers Massachusetts would rather have the Dutch against their southern border. They not only made for a better trade partner than the fellow English colony, but they also post far less of a threat of getting involved in the business of what was going on up in New England. When born deterred, but not willing to give up. Ask the Connie to impressment into the Navy to assist the beleaguered forces down in New York. The settlers responded to the surprisingly well. The magistrate told the group that wind-borne was planning to impress them into the English navy, and that should they have any grievances about such thing they could go ahead and air them with wind-borne himself. The group of men now facing impressment spent shared their feelings with Wimborne and nearly beat him to death in the streets. Luckily for wind-borne. His men showed up just in time to save his life. It is needless to say that. When worn was not happy at all with what he was witnessing. The report that he wrote back to the Privy Council was absolutely scathing. In wimborne interport he spoke of the fact that Massachusetts was following their own religious beliefs outside of the Anglican Church. One has got to imagine that this particular allegation would have already been well known by sixteen seventy five. By this point, there had already been nearly a half century of time where the New England colonies were Puritan. Colonies. More concerning to the crown and the furtherance of royal prerogative, however was the fact that new. England simply wasn't getting with the program in relation to the other colonies. They openly defied the crowd and ignore the navigation acts. Not only. Is this an economic concern? As well is flowing out of the English Empire, and is enriching New England alone, but it is a problem from the point of view of the colonies respect for Royal Dorothy. Win were reported that the colonies laws were inconsistent with those of the English Empire and that they were indeed arbitrary in nature. The. From windwards report was that the ultimate conclusion to this is that new. England should be united together as a single colony. Other than being easier to control. It would be economically worth it for the English to consider such a thing. Furthermore rather than having a corporation reading things direct. The government would become the order of the day. Recall from last season that one of the major advantages that Massachusetts has is that their corporate headquarters is located inside of Boston. This has allowed the corporation to ram basically without any checks back in London. The new Englanders realized this advantage, and we're anxious not to lose it. Now I do believe that it is worth questioning our source here. Win Wasn't up and comer, and would a few years later become an official of the Privy Council. wind-borne was looking to make a name for himself and largely. That is going to be something that he is going to accomplish. His work in Massachusetts is going to go a long way towards his personal advancement, and it does make at least a little bit questioning of some parts of his report. While the New England. Ghani's were undoubtedly played at fast and loose with the navigation acts, and likewise had been somewhat antithetical to English rule, some of the more direct allegations of wind-borne do seem hard to believe. For example. Claimed that when they were questioned about the violations of the navigation acts that responsive. We're going to do what's best for us England. Damned does seem fraught with problems. New Englanders had zero illusions about not being on great terms with the crown. They had always viewed England as more of a hindrance than a loving mother country. However pragmatically they would have known that blowing off a royal officer like that was going to come with consequences. Consequences that they likely were not going to want to pay. One would have believed that the Massachusetts officials upon learning of the blatant violations of the navigation acts would have at least fringe surprise at the accusations. With, windward looking for career advancement, it follows that some embellishment was probably par for the course. Either way, however, the report from wind-borne simply reinforce concerns about the new England colonies that the crown already had. The ground was not oblivious to the fact that doing live was acting as a pseudo independent country after all. We know that this was enough of a concern in sixteen, sixty four that Charles the. How'd you send that? Royal Commission to get a handle on things and to get the wayward colony back in line. When bornes report would have been equally as concerned to hear as it showed just how far New England was drifting from the other colonial holdings. However before things can go any further in this vein. King Philip's were was about to break out and punch all of New England into a war against the Indians. However it is important to know that ultimately wind-borne is going to get his way. You're only a few years away from New England corporate charters being done away with and the creation of New England. That however is something that we are willing to cover much more fully in future episodes. The point of our discussion here on Captain wind-borne to give an idea of the conditions in New England just prior to the breakout of the war. It is also important to note that King Philip's war and the report by Wimborne are completely unrelated topics. Despite that, however, by the time, the war is over. It is going to help push those recommendations made by wind-borne closer to reality. King, Philip's war is a huge stepping stone on the path towards the creation of the Dominion of New England in Sixteen, Eighty six. The report from one born also gives some insight into the already tense relationship that existed between the crowd and the New England colonists on the eve of that war. Well. We can't guess what would have happened without King Philip's war. It does seem possible that there was enough concern by the crown that at a minimum an investigation into the conduct of New England colonies, and specifically the Massachusetts Bay Connie was probably going to be launched. The New England colonies were changing by the time that sixteen seventy five had rolled around the colony had become less of a religious stationary than it had been during those early years, whereas the early puritans happily that economic success and religion were not things that were mutually exclusive from each other. The dynamic had begun to change. The older generation began to suspect that the younger generation was strained too far from the Puritan Church and we're more interested in material endeavors rather than their own religious ovation. By any modern context appeared New England would still seem like a very religious place, however, compared to what there have been just a few decades, prior pressure and influence from the church was lessening. What will come out of? This is a particular brand of preacher who is going to start giving sermons on what happens when you move away from those things that are good for the soul and instead focus on material wants. This is going to play an important part down the road a bit well again. This isn't a direct cause of the war. The movement away from religion is going to be used by these new firebrand preachers to basically say I told you so. This is going to partially explain the dramatics back towards religion in the last decades of the sixteen hundreds and moving into the seventeen hundreds. So on the eve of King Philip's war. You have a call that is really beginning to come into its own. They are running a largely autonomous system of government much to the consternation of the crown. The young generation has begun to move away from the religion that bound the colony together in those early years, which in turn would lead to a rise of a group preaching the dangers of such a strain from their faith. The crown is becoming increasingly dismayed at the situation in new. England as the colonies at least appear to completely ignore standing royal prerogatives. King Philip's war however is not big rebellion. Well I get that. This episode has largely sounded like I'm setting you up for the colonists to begin rebelling against the crown. That's just not the case here. King Philip's were is conflict between the colonists and the local Indian tribes. The reason, then for the long introduction to the issues in New England is King Philip's were is going to largely galvanize all of these other problems that existed before the war. All of these loose strings are going to be pulled together through the war and what we are going to be looking at afterwards is a Thomas New England colony, colliding headlong into the English crown by. By desperately wants to get control and force the New England colonists into submission as we start going through the events of King, Phillips. War I want you to do your best to keep. All of this information stored away as it is going to become very important when we tried to explain the events that are going to define life for a generation of New England colonists. It has been some time since we visited with our friends back in, Plymouth, this is largely because the Plymouth colony is almost immediately overwhelmed by the Goliath in the region. The Massachusetts Bay Colony. But if had largely remained that same insular colony that they had always been well, Massachusetts would experience marked growth and development. Plymouth always remained much smaller. Its population was only around seven thousand when the colony finally collapsed in sixteen, Ninety, one for comparison at the same time, the Massachusetts colony had a population of around fifty thousand. This is despite the fact that the Plymouth colony had a nearly tenure headstart on the Massachusetts Bay Colony, and for what it's worth. The colonists implement or perfectly fine with this. They didn't have much interesting growing into a large colony like Massachusetts and liked having their much smaller community just fine. It is implement that we are going to see the events of King Phillips War, begin. So before we jump into that next time I want to spend the rest of today. Providing a brief reminder of Plymouth's relationship with the local Indians we had talked about that relationship between the local Indian tribes and the colonists, Plymouth extensively back in episodes one point sixteen through one point nineteen. However, that has been some twenty or so episodes now, so let's take a quick refresher. Upon arrival in Plymouth. The pilgrims were quick to run into the local tribes. I approached by the English speaking S-, Quantum, who acted, something is a liaison that pilgrims were introduced the leader. The womp no people mass. Well. Talk a good game. He was far less powerful than say somebody like Paladin Down in Virginia. Muscle, so it however did recognize set Allen himself with. The English would be something of a power play though he did just that. It is during that first winter. That Mrs White was critical in helping to feed the pilgrims, not only did he provide food, but he was extremely important in helping teach the new settlers workers in the area, and just how to go about growing it. If necessary could be from the English. The hope was that when he asked them for help to deal with his issues, they would be willing to assist. That is indeed exactly what happened. Muscles used his position to solidify his own power base. During the sixteen twenty s, he eliminated his rivals, including Cuanto, and took all the action necessary to make sure that his place in power was well protected. Mess? Associate then managed to convince the settlers in Plymouth that a rival tribe was to massacre Plymouth, and the new colony down the road a West gusset. The Plymouth military leader, an career mercenary myles standish was itching for a fight and masses whitehead, just handed to him. Standish along with a small group of colonists, under his command, invited the leaders and elite warriors of this tribe West gusset shortly after the food was served dandyish seal the room, and then brutally killed everybody inside the reverberations from this were shocking. I, just about everybody who heard about the attack was shocked by brutality. Back in England upon learning of the attack, there was much shaking and warnings at the pilgrims should not be getting involved in Indian affairs. Yet in the colony, the effect was far different. It was an outcome that lead to isolation. Other Indian tribes wanted nothing to do with the Plymouth colonists following this attack. The issue here is that the evidence that there was going to be an attack at all is shaky at best. Of all the people who stood to benefit from the attack, it was agus it. None stood higher. The Massa Swayed himself. The widespread belief is that massive, so it had made up the entire thread of the attack and had basically set a trap for his personal rivals. If true, then the plan worked well, and the Plymouth colonists had just done his bidding at best the Plymouth. Colonists now looked to be little more than stooges for mass. Wait at worst they were a dangerously unstable group. That should be avoided. After all, if you got on their bad side, you could be facing your own slaughter like what had just gone down. It was a gusset. The outcome of all of this is that the tribes except for Massachusetts own WOMP. No people began avoiding unnecessary interactions with Plymouth. Out of this isolation, the pilgrims and the one thousand people were forced by their own decisions into an alliance with each other. This alliance would last for decades basically all the way up to the outbreak of King Philip's war. Master himself would live until sixteen sixty one and upon his death it was his son Medicom. That would take over as the leader of the WOMP dog. People MEDICOM was to take control of a WIMP and no tribe that had been at peace with the new. England Hani's for the past four decades. He even chose to take a Christian name and he would begin going by the name Philip. Next time we are going to pick the story backup and begin looking at the origin of King Philip's war. It self. medicom inherited a piece that was forty years old yet. The self-named King Philip is not only about to break that alliance, but is about to wage, exceptionally bloody war against the English. As always. I hope you all have an excellent two weeks that you are staying healthy and staying safe, and I will see you back your next time where we will begin discussing just what would end a forty year old piece and send New England to war.

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Mavericks & Legends: Eleanor of Aquitaine

Encyclopedia Womannica

06:42 min | 6 months ago

Mavericks & Legends: Eleanor of Aquitaine

"Hello from wonder media network. I'm Jenny Kaplan and this is encyclopedia will Manica. Today's legend was one of the wealthiest and most powerful women in Europe. During the Middle Ages known for her extraordinary beauty and brilliance. She was a leader who wielded significant influence over everything from art and literature to politics and the perception of women. She was queen of both France and England and built a long legacy through advantageous marriages for her many children. She was a role model for future. Female leaders please welcome. Eleanor of Aquitaine. Eleanor was likely born in the year. Eleven twenty two to William the Tenth Duke of Aquitaine and his wife Elinor was the oldest of the couple's three children medieval aquitaine was a huge fiefdom located in the western central and southern areas of present France to the south of the Laura River. It was renowned for its wealth and influence and for being an enlightened capital of culture and. Learning Eleanor's father a lover of literature and the arts ensure that all of his children received the best cultural and academic educations available. Eleanor was fluent in multiple. Languages learnt math astronomy in history and was adept at sports such as Falconry and chess. When Eleanor was eight her mother and younger brother died seven years later. Eleven thirty seven her father died of dysentery. While on a pilgrimage. On his deathbed Williams last act was to do everything he could to protect. Eleanor and her inheritance of Aquitaine. He ordered his men to rush to the court of King. Louis the six the France to ask for protection for his daughter until a marriage could be arranged he also asks Louis to find an appropriate match. Louis was all too delighted to choose his own son. Louis the seventh were married a few months later. Eleanor and Louis. The seventh a match. She was renowned beauty and intellect well-versed in politics and well traveled. He was incredibly sheltered for an heir to the throne and was generally a quiet man for most of his life. Bluey was not the air and was never trained in the skills necessary to rule. It had been expected that he'd go into the Church so we spent most of his early life in monasteries. That changed when his older brothers suddenly died and Louis was thrust into the spotlight from the start. Their relationship. Louis was submissive. To and reliant upon eleanor when he accepted the task of leading the second crusade. Eleanor made it clear that she was coming along. It's not surprising given Louise Limited leadership skills and existent travel experience that the crusade was not a success. Eleanor is famously. Recorded by medieval historians treating the trip more as a big adventure than a serious endeavor brought more than three hundred ladies in waiting with an accompanying baggage train spanned miles still the same historians. Note that eleanor was a better leader and more respected than her Mika's even though the crusade was a series of misadventures eleanor managed to increase her social capital during the trip while Louis was continually marginalized by the time they reached. Antonio Louis was resentful of his wife. Eleanor asked for an annulment and Louis agreed ending their marriage upon their return to France and eleven fifty two weeks after ending her first marriage. Eleanor married Henry Duke of Normandy and Future King of England. The two ascended to the throne two years later in eleven fifty four it was a tempestuous marriage. Unlike her first husband Henry was not easily controlled by eleanor. The more she tried to control him the more he fought back by having affairs. He also disapproved eleanor surrounding herself with musicians and poets. Still Henry and eleanor did have eight children together. On whom eleanor focused. Most of her attention. She was well aware that she could eventually wield much more power through her children around eleven. Seventy Eleanor left her husband and moved back to her family home in. Potier taking her favorite son Richard and daughter Marie with her in eleven. Seventy three eleanor's oldest son Henry. The young king started a rebellion against his father. King Henry was soon joined by a number of his brothers. The rebellion lasted a year. And a half before it was finally crushed some believe that eleanor who had publicly supported her sons had actually instigated the revolt as a result. King Henry had eleanor imprisoned in eleven. Seventy four. Eleanor STAYED IN CAPTIVITY FOR SIXTEEN YEARS. Until Henry's death in eleven eighty nine. By then Eleanor's oldest son had died so her second oldest Richard the first known to history as Richard. The Lionheart ascended the throne. Eleanor was very close with Richard. Soon after taking the Throne Richard. One off to take part in the third crusade and left. Eleanor in charge. Though she'd been locked away for over a decade it took eleanor no time at all to get back in the swing if things. It wasn't long before she was signing documents and having others address her as eleanor. By the grace of God Queen of England Richard Eventually returned home from the crusade after being kidnapped in Jerusalem and ransomed his mother in eleven ninety nine. Richard was killed in battle while fighting. King Philip of France over territory. He was succeeded by his brother. John upon becoming King John Quickly signed a peace treaty with Philip with peace finally achieved. Eleanor MOVED TO FUND TO ROW. Abbey where she died in twelve o four. She was around eighty two years old. All may were talking about. Mavericks and legends. For more on. Why we're doing what we're doing. Check out our newsletter. We'll MANTECA weekly. 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A Little Whiskey and Deejay Wiley  EP009

The Vibe Juice Podcast

48:00 min | 1 year ago

A Little Whiskey and Deejay Wiley EP009

"The. Welcome to the vibe Jews with your host song. Be. This is the pilot episode with the Spaniard DJ feel Wiley who talks about the DJ industry battling and earning. Your name a little whiskey in the conversation heats up on fifteenth century Kista doors, DJ, Wiley, sharpens are nice, our spears and our axes. How about that? He's one hell of a personality. So stay tuned and enjoy. Hey, everyone. This is the pilot episode of the bide Jews, and I am here with by DJ main man, Phil Phil, what do you call J widely DJ while he why? Why? DJ him. Back in two thousand three on as the work Qatar center. There was a guy in pro audio. He was the manager prod own he's a sound guy. He would like to sound for lay ACDC back under stuff, but I would come in. And I would do my thing that the I worked in operations he was on the sales floor. So we never liked each other beginning to begin with. But then he was like. The super genius super genius. Oh, really? So it coming into certain things than just started DJ that time in all his deejays of rain. The live ruling DJ's coming on battle out of all of them. All the time all the time. And then eventually he was like. You're great. You're like a super genius. But it doesn't work out for you on the end. What are you talking about? He's like, you're Wiley guy on the looney tunes. The traded do just before the end. While e no DJ ever give them so their own name. That's like being born in insane. Lanky myself my own name liquid prince did within stupid similar something. Yeah. I got the name with Sonya. It was a name that I came up with in listening. My comedic instructors to simultaneously. I mean different times. But each time I went up, and I said, wow, it seems like here comes red Sonja. It's like, you know, what? So it is. While if you're familiar with military, you know, about reserves than listed how they're separate. Now. They one is like, I shouldn't even be here. Kind of thing. That's the difference between giving yourself your own name in getting your name correctly. It just works way. Let you know. Once you make it to like a certain spot link of. Just going on MTV. Grammy's, whatever the heck, they have or something like that is like, you know, you were like, okay, I need to change because of my marketing in publicity in agents says you can't have that name Wayne what I mean because you might have done something. Or you might have gotten that name by a still coming up. They're kind of like actors and actresses, you know, when you get a manager all known your name can't be Tom Jones. You know, it has to be Angie stone over you know, they they come up with a name for you. So that's that is absolutely right. You can have give yourself you're being born and giving yourself. Your name was like I am. Silky in the best number one Rafter or something like that. You know what? I mean if people. July getting streak streak credit street. Name Kim ad. Free Madonna ship to yourself. Okay. You have Julia. Somebody else got a call you poopie who. Yeah. Somebody else has to call you, right? But it's like in the military too. When you get in there, they'll give nicknames. Don't get if I was able to give myself on nickname rarely DJ laser beam or some crap. Like batters knows listen highschool. I think junior high school out was cocoa. And you know, because that was my dad's name and I wanted to be cool, dad. It's like cocoa. But I tell you what I did poetry wants down in LA, and it turns out doing poetry. They couldn't see my name in the dark. So I have a second name, which is sung be. So I'm in Lamarque part chiming go up there in spit my staff in all of a sudden, the guy goes next. We have is song be song be I thought. Well, Sonia be. But maybe that's me. Hey, you know is a good name. The only other town that Sony is like with one of those white. Spicer Ville river girl house because that will actually an ice skater from nineteen thirties there, we are mortal Kombat Sonya red zone. Sonja red swollen? New so yes, cool with song be. So I I'm I'm ready Sony, aka song be glad to be. None of the one in only. So while he wildly Wiley. There is a wildly on the east coast New York. Because on the west coast east coast. We'll have our dumper gang on names. Right. For me. Those like I have I have friends comrades, not the communist. Now. That's. Comrades or DJ? So to Rome. Okay. Who like has double gainer in New York to who's these are widely? There's these you're wildly out there who's a big guy producer and DJ in developing himself with us out. Then we kinda. You know, it's way out there. I'm not going to New York. Can I used to battle everybody? DJ -ing can stuff in that thing that keeps you a hungry. And it's not about going all year just about going strengthen yourself in a sense. So let's let's talk about the the DJ world out there because that world is real a lot of people find near coming up that way. And I hear the even you have entertainers I mean stars us not even in their lane. But they're starting. They're doing James, you know, the Jane in they're getting big bucks. Like in the six figures, James buddy, lex to sidestep in the industry. But when it comes down to okay, exactly, how most people think DJ's are Mike, you know, push comes in that kind of stuff. Seventy percent of them are because they sidestep in and if they were banned, they would be considered like a garage band status band, or like, some diapers status band or something like that. But. To be complete in the industry in that way. You really have to do this like I had a star for while. We're four years like DJ was dating referred of starving musicians and stuff like that. Right. The star you'd have to start if you're going to do because like right now like if I walked being home, gray. If I wanted to a DJ. So what do you do in the daytime or something they told me job? I'll like I work at flunking Baskin Robbins or some shit like that. Right. Not as like, okay. That's not a thing is all I do is DJ. That's when you get into the. Seventy or thirty. They're seventy percent DJ's the garage van status. Jas thirty percent. They are not that. That's when you start stepping up angle from sampling ice cream to sample music bags right? That that is right. Because there's a Hollywood hopeless out there that want to jump into it in kind of. I don't even know how they see. I have no idea how the is just like a difference between enlisted special forces and. Reservist of reserves tech personnel in if you're in the military understand that. Okay. Well, explain what you mean by that. Just just but the leaky my own weekend warriors. Okay. So so I was like, how'd you hold this microphone the right way? There's a right way to hold the microphone because the plug in or snaps, and that's the top and this pick some sound is a heart shape card in that cardio. She's learning MIR a heart shaped kind of thing and there's certain ways like singers. They will talk on sing in certain ways to know, basic stuff like that quarter-inch XL are. A lot of them. Do not know that and just how much of detained personality when you're doing this live because you've thorough. This was the percentage of technical skills mixing music scales. Selection of music skill and personality. How would you break it down? It's everything a DJ is the center line of the music industry is think about it like this. If a guitar it can control things when I was at guitar center while ago, they would have different pods. They would call you can plug into ATar into your pedals kind of stuff. You get different things we played drums, you can even sing on a microphone in hit certain cores like auto tune bring it up certain things. But that's what you call a cheese. Dick way of trying to leave the music industry. Nightclub and out here in Oakland. I've been like I'm not gonna. Say nans, but merely shaft as come into these establishment nothing to do with this. But they're good underground establishments as a bar tender establishments. She can dance. I can see. A couple of things done the women's March, which is the biggest production ever done. What sixty thousand people in Oakland. Yeah. Really, no shit. What was I didn't hear about this? I did the women's March in two thousand sixteen and again, my lawyers involved both music lawyers. And they tell me who else is moving. So it was. Music lawyers where you are professional. I love it. So so I can save Cisco. And the woman's March was apparently the biggest, but it wasn't. It was like fifty thousand Oakland had sixty thousand all claim the town gets down case y'all did know we doing things here we are on the map, and it's a whole lot that put us on the map. These guys are wonderful but nominal super team. The warriors Oakland's on the map the main stuff have the word is going to in the raiders going to a that's why I say always being yourself. Never been the cheerleader is you don't all those teams that ever coming to your funeral right? You know, you don't wanna be it's okay. It's okay. To get you know, if you're playing the sport, and you're looking for someone to be like just like that. Or you know, what I mean? But it really don't want to get to the in. Entertainment. Sprinkling? So this stuff is you know, when you get down to, you know, got this thing that I came up with that. I call urban village. In fact, I have a U R L is not public y'all. But here's the thing. My philosophy is that even in America. We all have our villages, meaning are areas that we come from identified with with doesn't matter you're so professionally Ricky me film. I'm just a DJ. Okay. That's this be because she's you know, she's getting into her poetic from awesome new getting into that sophisticated words than drugs users just say shot up. Judy listen, I'm talking Kenia Clifton shut up you'll line something known kid. But. Anyway. But getting back to the whole thing about the warriors. Yes, San Francisco is taking the warriors seems like Oakland's homegrown when we do something nominal. Somebody wants to take. It is almost as if we don't have Oakland Wim explains bio, something great. Everybody's Bobin ears. But but where's the money away origin? We have as left net. Glad we have days. But before Tony LaRussa used to have a place in the willows in concord. So, you know, animal rescue things so he was more their walnut creek a lot of people. They're either on the Oakland Hills. Where you live in the rich people places, you all I am. I'm in the lower bottoms, quite you are in the rich people plays everybody else planter. Everybody else's in the bottom of those heels. How about that? The. Okay. We'll go with that. So. Well times are hard. Heart definitely day on they are saying, Tony LaRussa. So holland. Oh, yeah. But we were really was saying is bigger own individual never be a cheerleader. That's a. Other side of the tunnel stuff that our children figure them selves out. You're absolutely I'm trying to let you hear me a microphone, but you got the better Mike on now. I could use it was bigger. She's like maybe three inches, but it shaped like a tuna can. Well, you know, got Gert, but. Are you trying to say you have Anna sausage, the bikes? Saying that Spain. Since the native Americans, the English French allows the Philippines, which when we all the people. We let them have it. And they were so. How about sewer out that hurt? No using when that was they jump all sudden find it. Ninety year times heart care dream with you, so it's like every now, and then it'll be. But then when it will fluctuate, right. They wouldn't flush will be like right there right there. I'm like, I'm not doing anything different. You know, starting to sober a little bit. Oh, well that is time to a bottoms. Till time. Well, when I do appreciate the little flower. Vanilla flavored. That's the girly drink vodka with with a Russian drink that. Oh, well, Aaron your kidneys in fallout in turn into calluses, you add vanilla and whip cream to it. It becomes the girly drink. How many men go into a bar and say, hey, I want a shot on that. But Nello with cream vodka thing that really gets me going willing. My time cutting up they didn't have those sophistications invented. They just had smear blue lived DJ Wiley, you sound like you're like eighty years old. We're talking about an eight year integrative spread. We're things have changed dramatically where the coaches went to okay to Donald Trump. But you know, what you're you're right. I mean, what are we but technology invention? Everything look at Oakland. Look at Oakland is change in three years Oakland. All of those people the Pittsburgh Annia. That's elo. This is more shootings. They're out in Stockton in t- good just away lift with why? Because. So. Let me put it to you like this. Okay. My people are Spaniards everybody throws with this feign, right? Back. We conquer the Philippines and Laos along time ago long long too. I did that I didn't know they wasn't a credit. No, no. We should be the share the French and English over time. How about might represent maybe seventeen percent or so my DNA, but I don't take it personal to parv removed. Not mention will back in those days. Very hard lives about everything we used to conquer a lot of things we conquered in the beginning in the beginning. We'll be conquered of the Philippines in Laos. We didn't know what to call it Filipina. So we named after king Philip of Spain. That's how they get. Get filipino. Guess what? My name is DJ where the. Philip John cage. Yup. Ph. Philip. No, okay. I'm sorry. I'm saying that only because I have grew with a ankle actor and my cousin. I teaming kids in staying with Philip, but we call the Pilip. Named the only that give me this drunk when have client organized crime people from ages Russia's everybody else. So would you wanna get out of me? You're getting 'em. I really okay oval. Let's let's let's carry on. So. DJ? Why Lear should we switch to the Spagna? You've bring you. Yeah. We were again Wiley really keep him in. We were already doing them. But win the Spain which is X oser for while this. This is the interesting thing is tattoo Millwood's whiteness. What happened don't you? I'm from Rupert for six years. So I'm permanently burnt from my arms to my neck up. And I've been someone of my nose to when we roofed the place in the has qualities reflects like this no way, we're still there for a month or so before we moved to a different job in sun up our nose in years, really unique. You really really did. Yeah. I'm spaniard. We're back color. Okay. But you're not roofing anymore. How long ago was that a minute ago roofing a minute ago minute ago, but let me get back to the Spain. 'cause I'm not that. 'cause I'm gonna get back into the sun burning because I've been sunburned to what my likes. I don't get sunburned. But my mother is wider than a rate. She's a hundred percent Spaniards. Well, so she has totally or team. Brown hair headed white. She put her out in the sun is like you slapped her all over the place. Really? Father only has Spaniard ish. My great grandmother ran off with the hill. And he was a Mexican. So I have like twenty seven point three percent Mexican K, which was debt side. Yes. Don't end in being Spaniard. We it's different mechanics plane into anybody. But we had property over here in she had property over here. They exile her because Spaniards vases, but we have a hard constitution. Tell me this. And when you say Spanish aren't racist because dated anytime long time or not but the history of Spain. You have no is nominal tragic link, you know, about in a reysen enslave in my not even gonna get into Evernote. Let me put it this way. We were at war with England a longtime. We have no link to any slaves because I signed that we end the more than there was no slaves there. We have we do not like weakness that they have the habits. Wave is weakness liquid to like this. Black people come from Africa. Right. There's a big continent of Africa. They come from Africa several parts several parts, it's a big place the continent, just like this one. Yes. So when it was the English they decided to come to this continent with slaves in that kind of thing. Spain was at war with England. We don't like that kind of thing. Now when you have. Haiti Jamaica, Florida, Cuba? You have a lot of Africans in there that are different from Africa. That's his those are the ones that made over the Spanish lines in we made a wall in help protect them, they develop their own kind of culture kind of thing of what they could. You know what I mean? That's we have Haiti you have Cuba, you have Jamaica. And you have the rest that's was named after fame. Yes. So, but you had talionis you had made it the native of aboriginal people of those places new you have to remember thing doesn't remembered today England and the rest of them there are week thing to this day. Spain has in the world has still have number six largest navy in the world, but their nuclear all of your original people have a poor Konami, including the Greeks. It's great Greece in Spain. In italy. You've seen that movie gladiator, right? The first one gladiator moving. I can't remember much. But yes, the thing you should remember is thing when they took that general Italian guy character, and he was like a mispaid you're in that when he was fighting in the another like this bannered nothing to do with the side of the continent. That's 'cause their fighters. That kind of thing. We are in. That's what we're known for. Which everybody American Mexicans and everybody else. Who's like everybody on the African continent is with from Egypt, or whatever they're African same thing. Same thing. Linguistic anthropology. Things. So their antics this cotton, and then after that, they decided to throw in with us as well, and you know, Mexicans in the rest of them. They're not the first people throwing with us. I don't tell me something about the case to doors based on what you I mean. We're not experts of history. But I am raised that I very similar thing on this gonna ask you about the doors that that intrigues me. It was real. That confused doors took along with them African warriors that were they very smart, very. And as they went to different countries, these part of the computer doors, there were African or black or more concise two doors as well. So the Browning of some of these places came along almost there won't, you know. I'm gonna finish it. And I'm going to make sure I wanna get your I am gonna sharpen your knife in your spirit events altogether. Okay. Love it. Good better. So. Spain doesn't believe in anything like that. Because it's weakness don't care about. I can consent. I don't want anybody cutting my loan when buying me a drinks because I can do that myself. I do not want that in do not. Oh, anybody anything that does that because I will never allow that. That is what I can sense as an individuals Spaniard. We don't do that. We don't want that kind of like when Charlie Sheen was saying tiger blood didn't understand that. It's for a reason what he was saying. Tiger blood was geared more towards smoking. A pound crack day women who else was at recently. Somebody win from tiger blood. But who's a crazy person? This. Person just. Would. But we do not like that. So the first black man that was ever set foot on this continent in the Americas was set foot as a free man because Spain England where at war with each other. It was England that is responsible for about ninety percent of the slave trade. There was like nineties or several to ten that's true. Ninety seven percent has to do with the French Portuguese and everything else. Three percent has to do with fans and those people like you're random people who might just be rich civilians who put money together and decide to go out because the Queen is gonna fund you kind of thing never things that happened in Africa on that three percent. They were civilians not your regular Spaniards. So it's like a military kind of things like your rednecks. But anyway on this side of the continent. We don't like that. Fain? We don't like that at all is thing. But the it was England back than that would by the slaves from Africa. They all traveled in one corridor which could to Kim to travel down, and they will deliver them to the English ships in. They were other Africans tribes who conquered other African tribes who took them in slavery who dropped them off at one installation which had occurred or which ticket you walk down, which they all filter down about the. I am getting to that. Right. So that was that one of those ships in English man of war was out there. They had a slave on that ship. It was like a cabin boy in a sense and win a Spanish galleon warship encounter the English ship. We took that ship. We kill everybody aboard we boarded it without sinking. That kind of thing in we found a slave on their one black slave in. We took him aboard. We gave him a new name is starting to the seeds. Not chavez. I forget what it is. But if you Google it oh limit lined. I it'll come to me now. Now, let's back up about wound on, but we took him aboard a ship in he decided to stay with Spanish people. So he stayed with the Spanish in he'll is equal on that ship because we look at weakness weakness strength string. Doesn't matter is if you look at skin color height kinda shit like that that's stupid in the week. That's going to Jim for three years lifting weights. That are fake. I would you wanna do that? So. You so. Goes to my family in the military. Metairie in when they tried to read up all the way down the rain's army play chess anything. Spaniards more much. I can say that. But. I hear a lot of problems. Binding interest barriers were not Brown news or anything like that. So we understand that. We were saying we're not gonna develop our give our warrior prowlers to something that could really hurt. Somebody. So most my military families should know like have half cousins who are half Korean on neck and stuff is like my Jewish origin local stationed in Korea. Yeah. Young. Cousins because my great uncle's at least three three or four of them were were to German women were told that the black soldiers had me. Okay. Can't let it leave it hanging. These women. They love the the African American soldiers. It came back here. Mary them kids. Whatever, you know. I mean, we're learning from history. I mean, it's it's a it's a weird thing. But. Down to very interesting. Interesting study. Is that everyone lead to historically whether it's two hundred years or twenty whatever to Africa where DNA studies. That's right. There's no that's right. We have to understand the global continents. They were all spread like we see today. This to millions of years are are tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of years for things to be where they are. So you know, how things culture, you know, involves all over. I mean, I think that we're because technology where the place where what we know what we think we know. We know what we know. But there's what we don't know. We don't know what we don't know what you're talking specifically to marry involvement European continent. Does not have that problem. Either. The African continent will what do you mean what problem about not knowing or knowing ignorant in dome? This is the only contin. That is ignorant down. It's the do is to do is the Mueller's new world lines. I killed, you know, essentially, you know. Until would tell you what you was part of California flag for this. And it looks like the pledge Fe, but it's a wife. I four new Spain. Because of the world e the vice the viceroy, okay, they came here, this this was warrior this country over your native indigenous people warriors, you're right. You're talking about eighty thousand indigenous people used to be chinaman who walked across high Selena bridge twelve thousand BC years ago. So I'm gonna go. Vol- between there. Gravitational pull geologic everything. Issue because I took a might Akon drill. I don't know if you know, what that is the only been able to keep up with me as someone who waited tell you. He's three. Okay. So my the contrel DNA, which means the way, which is you got real teeth ear. What is I got sexy drunk police on? I don't know what that means. But but the might of DNA basically scientific when tells you it can go back twenty thousand or two hundred thousand basically only based on your gender. So my mother's mother's mother. Wherever the hell blitz came from it, always goes back to Africa. But what it tells you historically is that European? Listen to me now, please just give me respectfully. So it shows all men come on come from. But it has this disturbing with me, but his big so much greater than me. Because what it shows is that the beginning of man or woman in my case that eldest woman, the first woman that I could be traced back to living breathing came from Africa weight stop there's hold on. That's that's two hundred thousand years ago. Everybody leaves there. So this is almost like the horn of Africa. Then it showed how the the strand of by people. Women eventually split off some populated in became went to Asia. You're absolutely right visits. How this event as separate scientifically are called e e something whatever. And then, but it starts with G. And then there were those people get split in one across through the Siberian straight. Ultimately, as we further closer to more current times say maybe twenty thousand ten thousand years through Siberian straits in came down through member the landmasses were closer together, but eventually populated north central south Amira rodeo, so. Fair but a bunch of Chinese, but. Indians. But with that being said. My fine maternal DNA most recently stopped are popular the most current. Population is north South America. And I know through my mother's grandmother Nov, it they were native American from the sound native American how native to place you're already native to. It's like a double thing double in China. Well, you don't buy this. This problem with here's the thing is that north. Does take science to find out shit. No true. Hard constitution, science, his string, whatever. It is. Always twisted. It is it is. Now, we're Spanish Spanish twisted histories, Christopher Columbus to this day. That's why the talian in Spanish, we can kind of understand each other. Because that's where Spanish comes from is the talian. Can you understand some you've seen that movie gladiator? When when he was like, Spaniard or whatever. This fan. I like that. Lawyers in that thing. And it's what he do that. Those phone yard way Santa MU Joel Guzzo meow. More widely. Mako those? I like went very much Philip. Is that the hell with everybody else in which is frames Hafiz firm. Have firm. Omega fucking half is firm, which is everybody that tries thrown with us. Okay. So you pretty fluent with sponge do because when I was a starting to learn Spanish was my Spanish grandmother. She usually speak Spanish like Mexican beat me blood used to come out of my mouth. No, stop it. Get out of here. Very hard constitute outta here. Wanna look at it. As warriors everybody throws in with us. But there's a reason why thrown with us we're tougher than everybody else. But we actually are is more focus. Okay. So listen that is why aren't as the Spanish we can't. This is the last time we're going to do on this geography and history they ask you about because I did date a guy from France along time ago rain, so you hippie Pugh. Biz all my God. No, he was. These smell like Manny. It ear petite folk. But. But but he was he was Bach and very proud Busk. A did not like Bain, and he recognized fridge a little more. But you don't so didn't recently the Basque country separate like really or separate from what I forgot to explain. Okay. Here we go. Let's go. Let's do it during World War Two. Exactly. Wait, a Germans send there when they conquered France. Both love France fell. And then the SAS you sent in their hundred special forces do that they got seventy in their thirty left in the thirties special forces left from France when it fell rans Spain. They didn't know what would happen within got there to spend in kill anything else. But we decided to protect them. Put our arms around them. We scored them back to England out of those hundred red berets with predecessors to the SAS that were doing special ops heating, France intil. They s s discover them killed seventy percent of the people. Those thirty percent. Those red berets that Spain decided escort back to English across the English channel with arms all made it back alive. Because of the Spang image. That's because of the respect that Germany had you can go Google this shit to million probably doing that right out in the sea on your phone. In supposed to be into that Durance you, but it only reinforces winter saying, which is only more strength. So. Okay. So that explains the bass now, okay, we get a lot of strict because we beat the show the English in how the English look at the Irish. Is that how that's how Spanish look at the English. I've run into England I've run into bass people who were. Irish in Scott. Who were like when the Spanish came over here. All they did was take our rocks to build their castles. Now. Like, listen guy. We did that to put military salacious? So we can help find fight the English which were beating the shit out of you. And this potato willing grueling American continent after the Spanish conquer this continent. We took the potato and we brought it back to Europe. And we gave it to our how you say Catholic brothers the English in. I mean, I mean, the the Irish in the Scottish, and then when the English decided the beat the shit out of you. In Kilian, laugher fun. When they didn't realize what there was this new food on the side of the continent. They grew underneath a dirt which nobody knew about which is called the potato wasn't America. It was from this continental US. Dot com from the American America north of this concert. Right. The only place potato growing, right? That's it. That's it. So after that. In you eyes were able tell you the famine able to survive, even though half of your people died he you hundred percent of your people would have died. If it wasn't for the Spanish giving potato because English did not know that there was this new food on his confident, they grew underneath a dirt, which I didn't know about. So whenever I hear that. Like, you're welcome. So. Famine are blurred. We'll sooner shower source down your throat, then trying eat your scratch potatoes. Your scraps. Hey, listen, have you been Spain? I am Spaniard. He didn't answer. My question. A lot of people are things I will tell you this three five needed kidney. And I need to search out that you'd aligned. Yes. I will be in Spain. All right. So what's your blood type? I'm being nosy positive out. Then whole lot of people give you stuff you haven't. We get to that in the bone marrow stuff when stick that big needle like that big in your own take out that stuff gets deeper. Yeah does. And I that I don't know. But I know that I may negative in the end it taint a whole lot. I think I probably could contribute that to. My father's native American side. Native. It is redundant to say your native continent. Well, listen eighty thousand dollar in colonize to this not colonize trees, Colin they were beating everybody up. As far as the French could get on this continent was French Canada as far as English again. It was England. Florida managed to get was all the way through this continent. All the way to spend the Spain. Yup. But I do have to piss like mine. People that I was acquitted two for one team time, which was the Russians. So I'll the only can match up to our military prowess. Banging in the Russians, okay? Guys over and related DJ widely. Who's been given us the worst as liquor Russian racehorse? Russian and or. Spanish. Concludes. Our episode rate is legal Commodore Facebook page appreciate a five star rating checkout, our sisterlove untethered and under the radar podcast on itunes and Spotify. Thanks for listening. And remember always to be on.

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SYMHC Classics: The Sham Battle and Cochecho Massacre

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SYMHC Classics: The Sham Battle and Cochecho Massacre

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Worked with women running for Congress and movie stars and entrepreneurs on how to be heard in the moments that matter and this podcast is where I get to bring the conversation to you. Starting February twenty six listened permission to speak on iheartradio APP apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts. Happy Saturday everyone on the show. Recently we talked about King Philip's war and how it had ongoing ramifications within New England and that includes places that we did not discuss at all in the King Philip's episode and that includes New Hampshire. Today we are going to go back to our April twentieth. Twenty fifteen episode on the Sham Battle. Nikko he massacre which happened a few years later than King Philip's war and involved refugees from that. Were so here we go welcome stuff? You missed in history class. A production of iheartradio's how stuff works. Hello and welcome to the podcast Tracy Wilson. I'm holly FRY last ball. I took a trip to Dover New Hampshire and this is mostly just to be a little personal adventure that sounded like something fun to be in a chance to look at some really amazing autumn leaves but one of the things that led me to pick Dover specifically for my adventure was the Woodman Institute Museum so this museum opened in Nineteen Sixteen. And it's mostly dedicated to local and natural history although it has other exhibits as well one of the town's original garrisons is there. The that building was built in sixteen seventy five and then moved to the Whitman Institute property later after it was donated to the museum. It's actually pretty cool. Because there is an entire structure built around the garrison to protect it from the elements. Because it's so old. There's a lot of really fascinating stuff in the Woodman Institute Museum. Natural history and taxidermy displays are really arranged and curated a lot like they were when they museum originally opened but one of the things that really caught. My eye was inside. The garrison which is full of colonial era artifacts and on the wall was a map that traced the progression of a conflict between British colonists and the native Americans from the area and the docent told me the basic story of what had happened. And the part that made me think this needs to be an episode hinged on a sham battle so today sham basically means trick or hoax but at the time and maybe also regionally. I'm not quite sure The Term Sham battle was used to describe a lot of different. Mock battles so reenactments were sham battles or Battles that were done. As part of a ritual were sham battles so it wasn't necessarily meant to be deceptive in this case however it was from a couple of different angles so that is what we are going to talk about today This sham leads you. What came to be known as the massacre or the raid on Dover the raid on Dover took place during one of the many times in history which Britain has been at war with France in this case wars were happening both in North America and in Europe concurrently with each of the worse having a different name depending on exactly when it happened and which side the historian was on specifically. These were the French and Indian wars. Which in North America We're between Britain and it's native American allies on one side and France. And it's native American allies on the other so each of the French and Indian wars ran alongside a related conflict that was happening in Europe and we could easily spend an entire episode outlining all of the various nuances of who is at war. With whom and why if you look at a time lines of all of this different historians group them together differently and define them differently in different nations. Give them different names. So for the sake of simplicity France and England were at war with one another off and on for almost a hundred years with part of the conflict focused on their territories in North America. And who should control those territories? It was part of the greater history of Britain being at war with France And this part. Hattie specifically a American component to it and as far as where the theater of the war was happening today subject kind of took place in a time that overlapped a bit with King William's war which ran from sixteen eighty nine to sixteen ninety seven it was the first of the French and Indian wars and in the European Theater. It was the war of the Grand Alliance or the war of the League of Augsburg along with other names that it's sometimes called a King William's war was named after King William the third also known as William of Orange who ruled Britain and other places at the time. I know this may sound like a soup of many different wars and one of the things I I am totally as I was working on. This was I find the progression of all of these battles on each side of the Atlantic Ocean to be very confusing because there are as battle soup. It really becomes that way when you try to sort it all out. Yeah so during King William's war battles ranged over. What's now Nova Scotia New Hampshire Maine and New York? The colonies of New Hampshire and New York already existed this at this point but main was founded much later at the time. Nova Scotia was ACADIA. And yes we have heard your many requests for an episode on the expulsion of the Acadians. We will do that at some point. I'm not sure when but lots of people ask for that. The French also tried and failed to Conquer Boston during King William's war But before we get into this particular event in King William's war we're going to have to talk a little bit about where it happened and before we jump into that It's a little early but let's go ahead and do a sponsor break now so that we can keep some continuity later this episode of Steffi missed in history class is brought to you by. Ww formerly weight watchers. They have launched a new mine. Ww program it's their most groundbreaking customize program ever. I joined ww. Because I was really looking for something that was going to help encourage me to make healthier eating choices. They have really done that when you join the WW Program. You'll take a personal assessment. It ask questions about your eating habits and your behaviors and then it scientifically matches you up with. Which plan is going to be the best for you? 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Dover New Hampshire was founded in sixteen twenty three on the river the colonists in Dover overall maintained generally good relationships with the native American tribes in the area which we're primarily the Pentacook and as was common with many tribes in the area the Pentacook tended to move from place to place seasonally depending on where food was most available and although they hunted gathered and fish they did also cultivate corn and they taught these skills so the colonists in around Dover while trading with the colonists for tools and supplies there were of course sometimes disputes and to be quite clear nearly half of the Pinnock had died of disease after the arrival of Europeans and the Americans but in general at this point in history the Pentacook tried to maintain positive diplomatic relations with their neighbors From Europe while also defending themselves from the Mohawk which had been their enemies. For quite a long time. Pinnock chief Pat Conway formed a confederation among other neighboring tribes to this end of having positive relations with the colonists from Europe as well as defending themselves from the Mohawk his son WanNa Lancet also maintained this confederation and the ties to the colony at Dover after he succeeded his father as becoming the chief the first industry in Dover came via a sawmill which was founded by Richard Waldron and sixteen forty two and depending on what records you're looking at. You're going to see different spellings. Sometimes it comes up as Wall Dern D. E. R. N. E. or Waldren D R Y in e in the various records but by sixteen sixty four more than forty families had settled near the Sawmill Today. That's actually downtown. Dover but at this point people called it co Haeco. After the Sawmill Waldron himself was put in command of the militia and given the rank of major the colonists in the Dover area also constructed garrisons that could be used for both defensive town and to shelter people in case there was an attack so families would gather up their food and their bedding and they would go to the garrison which could be defended. Thanks to being constructed immensely thick logs I mean they are enormous having stood in one of these things. They are almost incomprehensibly huge logs and there would be little slits in them for firearms to be able to shoot through and the protection of the garrison was not just for the European colonists. Native peoples in the area also frequently asked for and were granted shelter in the garrisons for the night. The population in this area really increased significantly in sixteen seventy six. When native Americans from Massachusetts fled to Dover and other settlements in the wake of King Philip's war so in spite of the similarity in the name to King William's war came King? Philip's war was not one of the French and Indian wars and the early sixteen hundred colonists in what's now. Massachusetts had gradually become independent from needing native American help for their own survival and as the colonists began moving farther and farther into territory. That native peoples were already on the tribes started to resist the same coachman relationships between the native peoples and the colonists in the areas Pretty quickly soured MEDICOM also known as King Philip had become the leader of the No eggs after the death of his father in sixteen seventy five. Medicom led most of the native American tribes in the area in an uprising against the British. It went on for more than a year. The native peoples were generally holding their own in these battles or even winning until the spring of sixteen seventy six when they face starvation due to the destruction of their crops. The uprising also lost. It's leader when MEDICOM was beheaded king. Philip's war ended not long after this was an extremely bloody extremely destructive war especially considering the population of the area at the time it wound up killing almost three thousand of the native people and six hundred Europeans and it destroyed settlements all over the New England frontier the area around over had been less affected largely because the PENTACOOK had retreated to more remote areas to try to avoid the fighting in the wake of King. Philip's war native American refugees fled both north and west about four hundred wound up at the cocoa settlement at Dover. So that's where we get to the Sham battle that led me to want to do this episode. It sixteen seventy six so king. William's war has not started yet. That's GONNA play a part in the next chapter of this The area around Dover New Hampshire at this point is home to a sawmill some garrisons fewer than fifty families of colonists from Europe. Its own local native American population and also about four hundred native American refugees who had fled the terror and destruction of King. Philip's war and we will go on to talk about how this turned into a problem after another week. Word from a sponsor. Hey listeners I wanted to tell you about a new podcast from iheartradio called the women hosted by rose read it is fascinating and deep dive interview. Show where rose talks to change makers and disruptors and she finds out what really drives them so she will ask each of the. What was your first stand? And how do you navigate success and failure and really? What's the cost of fighting for others? These interviews are really personal and their candid. 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Major Waldron thought. It might be possible to make this problem. Go Away without bloodshed. He did think that the Boston area native Americans should be returned back to Boston. But he didn't want the native peoples from around Dover to be harmed I mean after all especially from colonists point of view relationships with the Pentagon had been pretty good. They didn't really WANNA mess that up. There was a productive trade relationship going on. There was cooperation between the peoples. Not over all a lot of fighting at that point. So he proposed that they have a sham battle. He would arm the native Americans with muskets and they would have a mock fight against the Dover militia to make a good show for the Boston troops. The Boston troops would see this battle. Be satisfied that things are being taken care of and go back home. Waldron reportedly arm them although with only enough for the armed men to fire one single shot and not reload. So the part about putting on a good show for the Boston troops and making them go away seems to have been how he sold the refugees on US whole plan. But here's what he did not tell them he had actually arranged for the Dover area militia to be present and what's the native Fighters had all fired. Their one shot from their muskets. Surround them and weed out the ones who were from. Dover from the ones who were from Boston and then send the Boston Group back with the Massachusetts soldiers. The Massachusetts soldiers took more than two hundred native Americans back to Boston. Where some of them were executed and others were sold into slavery so this whole Sham Battle had done what it was supposed to do. From walgreens point of view it had gotten the Boston area native population back to Boston and it had left the Dover native population unharmed however unsurprisingly. This was not good for the relationship between the Dover Colonists and the native Americans from the area there's productive trading relationships and diplomatic ties quickly started crumble. Things remained tense for more than a decade during which Dover added to its collection of garrisons and the newer garrisons had a second floor. That was larger than the first floor which created an overhang that could be used to pour hot oil on people who were trying to set the structure on fire or break their way into it. Each neighborhood had its own garrison and five houses. Those that were at the highest vantage points around Dover were converted into garrisons at public expense and surrounded by a PALISADE. Some accounts actually say there were a total of six heavily fortified garrisons said. There's a little bit of lack of clarity around those specifics. So Major Waldron possibly in an effort to try to keep things under control also started putting a number of restrictions on the native people around Dover. He started restricting their life their rights to travel in the woods and he started quote trading with them for land but these trades always happened under duress and they always worked strongly in the colonists favor so things were going south pretty quickly eventually chief. WanNa Lancet died and he was succeeded by Concha Magus while WanNa Lancet had followed his father's example in maintaining cooperative relationships with the Dover Colonists Concha Megan's had no intention of doing any such thing while his father and his grandfather had tried to maintain these diplomatic ties with colonists he had seen one injustice after another following in the wake of the Sham Battle. Also running concurrently with all of this escalation was as we mentioned at the top of the podcast. King William's war so things are becoming increasingly tents all over the area small-scale attacks against colonial homes and settlements were happening all over New England and it was clear to the colonists at Dover that more serious hostility was eminent people started taking refuge in the garrisons every single night. Governor Edward Cranfield decided to enlist the aid of the Mohawk who remember had long been enemies of the Pentacook for support so Concha Magassa. I moved as many of his people as he could into a more remote area to try to keep them safe and he sent a series of letters to governor Cranfield to try to reach some kind of agreement. The governor apparently didn't enter into serious negotiations with Concha Magassa any points so Kakamega eventually started planning a more coordinated attack against the colonists in Dover. Although Major Waldron insisted that everyone's fears were overblown. Some of the Pentacook who were loyal to the Communists tried to warn them that there was an incoming attack word. Made it to the governor who wrote to Waldron warning him of a large gathering of native Americans in the area who seemed to have hostile intentions. He sent this letter on the twenty seventh of June sixteen eighty nine. Unfortunately that same night before the letter reached its destination two or three native American women ask for shelter at the garrisons around Dover and were allowed in at all but one of them while everyone was asleep these women unburdened the doors and opened the gates. So that the warriors who were waiting outside could come in at Major Waldron's garrison. The major himself was tied to a chair and slashed with his own sword with his attacker. Reportedly saying quote. I cross out my account. He was dismembered and killed and his family was killed or taken captive before his house was burned down. Similar scenes played out at dovers other. Garrisons is the colonists within were killed and captured. Before the garrison itself was set on fire some of the garrisons world's Mitt left standing but their contents were looted and their inhabitants killed or captured before the raiders moved on the only garrison that was left. Untouched was one where a barking dog had alerted the family. Who were there most of them? Were actually away and someone who was. There had woken up. Close the gate and mounted a defense twenty. Three people were killed in one thousand nine were taken captive and this was about a quarter of Dover population some of the captives were reportedly also sold into slavery as had happened after the sham battle. Concha Magus and the pentacook retreated quickly before the militia could be raised or before any kind of real resistance could be mounted and Cumbias eventually relocated the Pentacook and then joined his people with the people which was closely related tribe. That was native to the area. Many of carcass family was killed or captured in a raid. Later on by Captain Benjamin Church that took place in sixteen ninety he and the Pentacook continued to attack other settlements in the area after the raid on echo and the stopped only when he learned that the British were holding his his surviving family members hostage because such a large proportion of the population of Dover had been lost. It took quite a while for the town to recover. It continued to be the target of similar attacks and raids but there was never anything on the scale of this massacre. When you look into information about the Pentacook and the Abbot today a lot of times. They're written about as one tribe or as a difference Parts of the same tribe or the same people so there are still members of those tribes who are alive today. They're not a group that has disappeared. So that is what I learned when I delved more deeply into something that I had heard the very brief museum docent version of while on a weekend trip. Museums are very inspiring. Places they are. I tend even when I am deliberately like okay. I am on vacation and I am not going to think about the podcast because we like to work on the podcast but it is still our jobs. It is work and we. Sometimes we need a break from work so even when I am conscientiously like I am at this museum for myself and my own edification. I still wind up writing down things to do after episodes about later on to thank you so much for joining us today for this Saturday. Classic if you have heard any kind of email address or maybe a facebook url during the course of the episode that might be obsolete it might be doubly obsolete because we have changed our email address again you can now reach us at history. Podcast IHEARTRADIO DOT COM and. 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Strange Juans: Bridgewater Triangle!

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Strange Juans: Bridgewater Triangle!

"This is Tom Catholics podcasts. And you're tuning into a fourth hand production. Strange strange strange strange one. It's time for strange ones with host. Tom Cabinet strange brew. Podcast and this is want on the one on one part. That's get strange what's going on. What's up Bro? Enjoying these little episodes that we're doing just bang talking about different Shit. It's be pretty fine. I am one of the host of this Tomcat Aka Thompson as they called me from the strange brew. Podcast and then we got we got on the other side of the world one with the Huan Podcast. The one hour at the whole on podcast yes. It wouldn't be the other side of the world just loaded up loaded up light it up a nice. Do these guys actually got some sativa in the mail and then I got I got it in the mail and then I got edibles last time and try out this time I got these two recess cups Egypt's fifty milligrams is too too bad. I like my stronger stuff. And I got these suckers and there are one hundred twenty five milligrams and I was like. Hey that's pretty good. If I finish that shit that will kick my ass the times we live in where you can order literally through the May seem so much fuck it easier to would it like the weed that I buy. It's really good ship but I paid. I paid less than I normally would when I get off my main dude and shit so and then you get free shipping and Shit. So it's Kinda Nice I'm puffing on that and also My girlfriend's dad got me this dropshot thing only want can kind of see it? You see a beer glass. But there's a shock last so I put whiskey in the shock class. I put it in the beer. It's called a boilermaker boilermaker. And then it's kind of cool because as a magnet on the shot glass and in the so if you WanNa do like you know yager bombs and Shit you just put the cup in like fucking the magnet like hooks to the fucking shark last as a shock lashing spilled in your face or some shit. I tried Jin for the very first time the other day. Gin and tonic and tastes like garbage Dune. Really it's an acquired taste and especially if you're not a big drinker. I I never liked gin. When I was growing up I was more like whiskey vodka guy as being older though. I do like Gin. It's Vodka Jenner. To the most cleanest cleanest drinks like or well spirits. I guess you could like Jen's probably the cleanest less calories fucking thing to drink while I wanted to. I was up in Tennessee back in December December November and. I went and tried moonshine for the first time. Fuck religion like one hundred per roof disgusting. We got like we can't. We can't sell it on the shelf of Canada as one hundred proof or whatever. It wasn't sixty profile pink or something like that. Yeah I'm trying to think what we have. We have some. That's close to Moonshine. But it's fifty percent alcohol. It's not like fucking usually I think. Moonshine is like fucking seventy or eighty. Summer generalists ridiculous like we have absence or whatever that. I wanted to try the real ship. We have that. I hate the taste of liquor but afternoons superstrong so we have version of that. I think it's sixty five percent call is kind of get up so I mean I didn't like it and enjoy it but I got really really drunk. That's funny yeah. Obviously you don't drink. I'm drinker. I enjoy getting drunk. I'll be beginning drunk after this episode. It's called an alcoholic bro. Yeah technically especially on my quarantine man. It's fucked up man. But what do you get into? What are we gonNA for the listeners? Today something that I checked you on. Yeah and it's up to know about I've heard about it but not like to the full extent. It's actually Kinda fun subject for today or this episode. You've no doubt heard about the Bermuda Triangle. But what about the Bridgewater Triangle? Well no planes or ships have mysteriously disappeared there. The Bridgewater Triangle has its own strange tales to tell local the two hundred square mile area Massachusetts. I know people in the station out of the car pronounced fucking states. Get over it. The Bridgewater Triangle has been known for centuries for as a hot spot for ufo sightings. Ghosts curses native American folklore and more. They're the spooky stories. They range from like really fascinating to down gory and horrifying from vengeful ghost to cult sacrifices. So it's time to out the lights get on the covers because it's better to get strange. Yeah new when you wrote to me I was like you're like Oh let's do one. I what was it we up with. Eventually we'll definitely dive into a little bit. I I've talked about skin. Walk around with Ryan Burns before on the show so I was. I all know everybody talks about that place. Then you're like oh the Bridgewater. Trying on my. You mean the Bermuda Triangle Day. I thought you had like a Typo in your water so I had not heard about this place and it's very interesting because I personally bro. I couldn't really find that much information about this. This place other than and a lot of my information that I got that. I'm going to be presenting. Today was from a documentary which thankfully was free for me because it was on Amazon. Prime Abe is up private. I should have looked. I was looking at Youtube. Shit that would be a good. I told you bro I I was I fuck and I think it was made in two thousand seventeen check that out an hour and a half long and they just go over all the craziness but I got some background here on this on this place and it's again it's very interesting had always telling you. I'm not really big into the whole paranormal or like decrypted stuff. Right because it's it's weird and save. You're right so yeah. The Bridgewater Triangle got its name back in nineteen ninety-three crypto zoologist Loren Coleman. He published his book called Mysterious America. The ultimate guide to the nation's weirdest wonders strange spots and creepiest creatures in it. He described it to one hundred square mile region in southeastern Massachusetts with a long history of strange paranormal and sometimes sinister activity. He dubbed the region. Obviously the Bridgewater Triangle. And get the triangle. And I'M NOT FROM MASSACHUSETTS. I been there. It's no I I would like to go. You connect the town of Abington to the north the town of Freetown to the southeast and then the town of Rehoboth to the South West and some of these names are native American so probably butchering them. But it's okay right so it's okay I butcher a Lotta Shit. I say my podcast. So the most notable locations in that area is the hawk amok swamp which is seventeen thousand acre yet and it's central to the area and meet the name Hawk means the place where spirits dwell you have tribute dig Tin Rock also found within the boundaries of the Bridgewater Triangle. And it's like obviously they have like some paranormal things going on there. Freetown Fall River state forest and this place has been reportedly sites of various activities including animal sacrifice ritualistic murders committed by alleged and admitted satanist right and also several gangland murders and a number of suicides that suicide forest and whereas Japan and yeah. This is like it in a weird way. There's a lot of occult practices that go down like a shitload. Yeah we have profile rock. Which is the site where the want pornography historical figure of Anton received the loss? Welcome belt from Philip and I'll get into a little bit and the has it that the ghost of him his he's seen they're sitting on the rock right and that's heard that too. Yeah trippy located within the Freetown Fall River state forest and the last one is solitude stone and it's supposedly like an inscribed stone the has like some connected to was found near a missing person's body and is also known a suicide so weird people that touch die yeah and the wrong with the inscription. All Ye who in future days walk none Nunca Kotex it stream holy Shit I butchered. That love him who his late cheerful to the partying beam but the beauty that he would some crazy shit. I it's a. It's weird some weird. It's a weird native sonnet. If you come in here we're GONNA fuck you up or it's weird man like again and I don't know like it's something about these open places right like these like for example the swamp like these places where and this made me look like weird stories in the everglades. Bro And all my goodness Bri found so many weird things that happened in the everglades the everglades is like I don't know how many millions of acres there's only seventeen thousand acre so imagine that some I'm going to do an episode on just Shit that happens in the Florida everglades. Bro That'd be down and join your on that one s fucking shit on the crazy dude so more background so obviously paranormal. Researchers and enthusiasts claim that the bridgewater triangle host in unusually high volume of strange occurrences unexplained mysteries and sinister activities. How I said before arranging from ghost cryptic animal sightings ufo encounters an evidence of satanic ritual sacrifice. And it's consider one of the world's most diverse hospitals for paranormal activity. So that's what those Satan give us a fucking bad name but people that are actually like other the other kinds of Satan. It's the good guys that smile and put up statues so background. There's a lot of speculation of of what causes the activity in that area in this region and one of the main theories is the mistreatment of the native American population. Yeah there is like wars and shit on the soil to the NATO. They don't fuck around when it comes to their curses. Bro. That's it seems to make sense because either Indian oil they everyone calls it any native bare ground or like that could be true about like in the wars a war and then they were like this is when the colonist stirred coming into. Yeah so I'm going to get into that now. One Hundred Years Before the American Revolution in present day southeastern Massachusetts was known as Plymouth a colony in the summer of sixteen seventy five. The local native American population rebelled after years of oppression at the hands of the English settlers. Leave leave it to the white man to ruined everything for everybody right. Hey it was the Spaniards that came over here. I I make that quite clear at an episode we did Spanish came first. Columbus raped all the natives and stole their gold. That's crazy right. How they come in and they just. They're like yeah. This is trick him now. Yeah he was like. Oh you know will be cool with you and then they fucked them over instantly like it's Vinnie Paz's a song. That goes very deeply a seven minute song to change and shit but he gets into Columbus came. Took over the air wax and fucking than when they didn't have any more gold. You just took them. Slaves like fuck them up and raped them and all sorts of fun atrocities that happened to the native people thought man under the initial leadership of WOMP analog chief name. Meta comment which I think is bad ass. That'd be I thought that sector it'd be a bad ass band name right. Meta comment and we shouldn't English dubbed Him King Philip and that's where the first thing that I told you about. The belt came into play. Yeah I think I was washing A low doc on that I definitely heard his name. She called King Philip. Yeah yeah I thought that was weird to that they would name a native American. Phillip Mayer saw the uprising was named king. Philip's war and it. It spread like craziness that just the uprising spread all throughout the region of what's considered the bridgewater triangle. Right through all these different colonies and all these different city. What's weird if he was maybe working with the white men when they came over they made natives like adopt their names and their languages or they and if one evil dude was like oh I'm going to start with these white dudes because they're going to come and kill fucking all of us before like we can really do anything because eventually the guns and Shit and then he ends up fucking up people in this war maybe on the communist side well. Philip remember if they weren't have the native Americans that weren't Christianized. They were sold into slavery they were and they were just pretty much. Sold this property. So yeah that does you do make a good point with that. And by fall of sixteen seventy five the war obviously said had spread all over to all these different colonies. And all these different settlements. Everyone was killed Bro. Men Women Children innocent people you name. Everybody was killed. Does that no matter who you work eventually. The English troops they overtook the natives and King. Philip was captured in sixteen seventy six. Here's where it gets locked up and this is where they fucked up one by coming over here and taken something that wasn't there. That's the first thing and two when they captured King Philip. They beheaded him and put his head on a pike for twenty years. In front of four point really per-capita Longtime per-capita King Philip King Philip's war remains the bloodiest conflict. In American history. Five percent of New England's combined population was killed five hundred English settlers and three thousand native Americans so this was worse than the civil war. Then technically they're saying listen to what the documentary told me and I don't know pretty bad but like I wish the civil war and like them trying to have doctors and stuff like that but the the doctor sucked and they wash their hands so people were getting all sorts of fucked up with diseases. It's per capita population of them. True per capita. It's fine the city I live in. I don't know if it still is but at one. Time was the most prod teen pregnancy ratings and all of Canada. All of Canada routine pregnancy ran rampant in the city. I live at the as but even like how I couldn't imagine war back. Then when a mostly you're using this natives were a lot smarter right. They had burros when they were just having a single shot. Musket when they first got here like the Spaniards and the white man and Shit and they would just one shot and you had to pump it a bunch of times and the natives would sling. Three air was on the fucking Shit. Fuck it sick until they when they found out like what the fire action gun where they can just load one bullet pop. It boom boom. That's when they fucking up the natives when they invented better guns to their standards. Because it's just like the Viet Cong right when the guerrilla war that guerrilla style of fighting where they're hiding in the land and they're just merck and everybody you know the land you you've got the upper hand right just like the INCAS. When they were fighting the right that people were coming in. They were in the land. Those guys were crazy or even invaders anything like that. They they know their land. Just like how when you have a team playing at home versus another team. It's always feels better when they're at home the energy and all that stuff and speaking of Energy. I wanted to add this in here. Because I believe in the occult when obviously caught means hidden and when I say a cold I mean paranormal other dimensions spirits demons angels. I believe in all that stuff and a lot the things would places like this in it goes back again to the book of Iraq where and and the Bible where the flood came and wiped. Everybody out remember. Energy can't be changed from one. Form to energy can only be changed from on for a form to another a can't be created or destroyed so that's the first law thermodynamics. And what I mean by that. Is that these people they perish. They're their flesh. Bodies perished but their spirit their energy I feel stays in these places and perhaps again maybe it is a curse. Maybe it is black magic. Maybe it is whatever type of magic it is that these people because they believed in all that shit they believed in all that they believed a Lotta Shit. That's for sure so I feel like still the reason this is happening in this place is maybe it was because of the mistreatment of the native. Americans which are very spiritual people on their one with nature and they vary you know that oneness and I feel like I said energy they residual haunting and like paranormal cases. It's called residual haunting rate. There's like haunting zwiers spirits. That are like technically still. They're like they're they're still freethinking. Kind of spirits are just like spirits walking around trap there so to speak or they're like got stuck there purgatory. But then they said there's residual haunting which is like a battlefield say Gettysburg. Where like sounds have just been in? Permit SOUNDS GHOST. People have an impermanent placed because it was so brutal in that like energy wave brutality constant emotions of death and anger destruction. Sadness like I think. That's when permeates places like that's fucking trippy. Though and I'll read the official definition or like a little terms of the first law just so you can because it makes sense so energy can't can be changed from one form to another but it cannot be created or destroyed the total amount of energy and matter in the universe remains constant merely changing from one form to another. That's fucking wild Bro. Yeah that's crazy it's like space and Tomor one and everything that has happened has already happened dude. Like time is linear and it's already happened and what's going to happen is going to happen. That's all the movies that you've seen about back to the future and not a wrong like time travel space travel. I know they're usually and they're probably misdirecting. Us Out for sure. But that's what I got for the background and then obviously we can go and dive into some of the fun stuff All these is going to be a little things I found on kind of what's going on there. There's a bunch of different weird shape. We're getting the colts I and we'll maybe talk. Ufo Shit but when the police started getting involved you know that something is up and the beginning of the nineteen nineties. The Freetown police found mutilated cows in a nearby forest. All seem to have been slain ritualistic manners been suggested this the work of Satanic Cole. No Blood Bro. They took the blood. Yeah they took the blood which they usually do for other rituals they can either do at home or other places or they spill it other ways. There's a lot of weird shit on the tank and it's all been tension and like calling upon a demon most times to be like the I want riches or I y long I ever yet. So yeah every there for when it comes to demon -nology just how it comes to a bunch of different religions. Obviously every polytheistic people the policy polytheistic religions in the people that believe in them they usually have one God for something right one. God One God for that when it comes to demons every demon and again that's in the book of of Iraq and the NAS. Six believed this as well where every emotion every negative emotion? Good emotional this stuff was ruled by demon and in his own dimension right so I feel that when it comes to these people doing these things to invoke whatever it is. I believe in Dude. But it's just it blows my mind that that's so disgusting and not only that but they killed animals and they will leave like Pentagram all these stars all over the place they also were breaking into graves and this one particular one. They stole the head of the corpse because they were gonNA drink out of it because they thought it was like someone initiation to like some tannock call kind of sounds a little bit a little rock and roll though. That's a little little fun. I know it's it's up but I've I've really wanted a human skull just like a human skull. Look I got this little this little one right here this little guy but I would love to have a fucking legit like human skull like I know like somebody on a podcast has won in the states. There's a lot of people that like articulate skeletons of cats. I joked to my girlfriend to have a human skull in Canada. It definitely is in the states. I think it is now. I don't think it was before because they used to have people used to get him from hospital. Things like buying from hospitals had those schools and shit like that right but like I always joking girlfriend. How are we've had a cat forever? She's eventually going to die. Probably for a while but I would like to have always joke as we watch this show back day called the odds or obscurities or some shit like odds and excuse where this guy articulates like cat bones and animal bones and I was like. Let's get the cat like in a cool stance and just be your bones. And she's like no that's look at her dead body every time and I'm like it's cool though it's rock and roll Bro. So these people when they do that stuff like I don't I don't again. I don't mess with that because I believe in it. I believe in it too. I know I tried to work around. Not fucking with too much fucked up. Shit it's dark right like these people. They actually when they they caught it. They caught the guys that stole the head off that corpse. Yeah they tossed it. They couldn't stand the smell. Yeah well I didn't get too much this. There's another guy and he like actually no later on we talk about the serial killer but it is weird. That like they didn't. They caught the kids. That did this and there was somebody else who stole and other head of somebody else. I think many headless like animals found. This forced all the fucking time and the ones responsible for like the cow mutilations and some of these animals relations weren't ever found and nobody knows what the group was or the individuals were that were doing this Kinda Shit like they know about the kids and some of the stuff. I don't know who fucking cut open the cows and shit and cut off couch heads because that's fucked up. Yeah that is fucked up. I don't I don't know dude I don I again this goes back to like biblical things that people there's different entities that they all worship but I just don't understand because it gets dark. I don't know we have the stuff of of the different houses and Denver on their. Did you pick up anything from that no no? I didn't see that didn't see that Bro. There's like these different and this is what pisses me off man. Because I being a father if somebody was the her my child I'd chop them up and eat them a sandwich me to and and in this force so you'd practice cannibalism. Yeah would definitely of these people. They would the police again. This is a forest. There would find these different dens underground and in the end there was of little children and like little chairs and Pentagram and the key. That's extremely creepy to me. But man if I was with like three or four buddies now was drunk or like pretty high. I would find that. Shit trippy and pulled the OUIJA board. It would probably be a really bad idea. But like the whatever's those a kid like me and my buddies always like we like being scared in a way that wasn't like that we thought at least played around with. That wouldn't hurt us like yeah. You can't really like go down and rob a bank because there's going to be consequences and shit like that and there definitely is consequences not saying this anyone who wants to purchase a cultism and any of this shit but it gets. It can get dangerous. You have to have good intentions about it but like we just like like being scared. Let's where we watch like horror movies very young and shit. We looked like being scare with consequences of the the being afraid. You know what I mean like. Yeah I got for Fun Shit. Yeah Yeah but this a I think that's creepy shit ain't never found numerous ones. They never found any bodies or anything. A meme but they did have like clothing of little children and it just makes you wonder right. Like that is fucking. We're who would and yeah who even to like even to like start that or like do something in relation to that you're just fucked up in the head like debris on saying that I never. I didn't have on this or anything like that and I didn't really think about researching this but some of this shit like that. Maybe who knows it could be children's dead clothing and all that shit who knows. But what if it was just some Weirdo or some kids? Kind of fucking with plus or went to a salvation army and then got a bunch of children clothes and put them out to scare people exact around. Yeah or even like a ritual. I meant for just for fun but ritual to even think about that for some of these things. If you're an old man or some Weirdo or some kids. That are interested. The shit maybe be bored. And you'd like setup even sometimes I'm not saying that definitely there was shit and satanic stuff going on but kids would probably go out there and write a Pentagram and pretend to be scared going. That would happen going. The extent of what these people were doing there like injured ground bunker. Bro like undeserved covered up a hidden. It's like it's trip may be a again. I don't like to think about that. Shit because I know it does exist. Where people are used. People are sacrificing other people. I mean it happened. There's so many people in the Grove Man. Yeah so again that. That's one of the things have you had come across that. But yes they did find like in this forest and this. That's really cool. Actually tripping I have that I should fuck it actually trips me out of it. That's pretty cool. Like who'll my thing. We're like check them out. But I have like a ghost detector something but I would never go there calling upon shit. When I was a kid I was stupid enough where I probably would've but now that I'm older and to add on to the whole Dima -nology thing it seems that and this is seen again in the Bible WanNa keep bringing up the Bible the Bible a wild place and has got a lot of interesting stuff but even when Satan was tempting tempting Jesus in the desert the desert was seen as this place right the outcasts of society would be out there and not only that but demons would dwell in these open areas and it just makes me think of the swamp is well rights and open area where these things can be there and just you're not supposed to be there to swamp right. It's just weird things and I. Yeah and I think there's like some Kryptonite IDs like I'm not saying intelligent. Reptilian BEINGS. But me and billy this one will come out definitely after that one but we just did strange strange alien encounters over skype. Try IT OUT We're giving up on this Shit Soon. GonNa hang out because I'm getting sick of this. We do this. And they're talking about this frogman and he would like that. Whole thing about swamps to like what the fuck like the things just hide out there while do shit like that and there could be some weird when I was doing when I was doing research. On the gator man came up Florida. That's funny so what else do you have? So obviously you got a bunch fund shit that we can talk about autumn these to ufo encounters and then we can kind of talk about them. I should have put them in order but I got them on several pages here on talk about them. It was just another morning and New England in seventeen sixty when a strange noise that no one could identify became echoing from the sky. Witnesses observed a strange glowing shape above bright enough to cast a shadow in broad daylight. That's pretty trippy. The Lakers reportedly seen both in Roxbury Bridgewater. Miss Fuck Massachusetts obviously by multiple people. The local newspaper recorded it and became the very first ufo citing in bridgewater triangle. And it was the first of many incidents to come. I have another one too. We can talk about very short if you want to mention that. Because that's just trippy. And that only got to you but I could imagine there's many more ufo while cases. This is why I believe that. Aliens are inter dimensional. Because it always seems right when you have these hot spots of paranormal activity. There always seems to be bigfoot. Ufo's along with like poltergeist and all this paranormal activity. That's why it's like. Are they connected? Are They not just skin walker? Ranch you have the same shit where wolves aliens you these blue orbs which also you have blue orbs here. As well in this area you have these white glowing orbs blue white whatever and squawk definitely seen some red and and other fun fact that I thought was cool as well and when looking into this it came up. But if you're a fan of HP lovecraft eight happy lovecraft and it's not an same area per se it's North Eastern Massachusetts and what we're talking about southeastern Massachusetts but they consider that some of his stories took place in an area in northeastern Massachusetts with which they consider love country and I thought that was really cool. Like it's like say Massachusetts never say right but they've Salem Salem Massachusetts rate so like that whole energy of that place is kind of weird and orbs on camera through right Blair witch projects. Is that where it was? Roger feel I don't I think it might be around there. I definitely were they bring the witches. The that's where they burn the witches off to look this up. Bro. You're supposed to look this up. No that's where they burned the witches. Wasn't I ever he talked about. I stay at Salem witch trials. Bro. We're now yeah. That's the whole witch trials. Were GonNA dive into it more? We've talked about which is before we'll definitely get back in a witches near holidays and stuff and sixteen ninety two so not far from this time no this time which is in the whole native killing and they were just putting up settlements and stuff but it is interesting because a lot of it was being like women were trying to be independent and stuff like that and there was weird women and they kind of blame them and then they will she floats. She's a witch but if she drowns she's human and then she drowns most times. Burn them alive. And you know what I mean Windsor. So barbaric effort especially back then with the eye with everything that's happening now like did you know and I learned this dealer day. You can get aunts to walk in a circle to the point where they die of exhaustion. Because yeah do solo that take and they rely on like the scent of the other ant. That's in front of it. And you can trap them in a circular pattern and they just lose sent of any other path. They just followed the ant that in front of in front of it and they're going in a circle they just keep going through a system and you can see that even with mammals right these there some mammals that we have that fight or flight and look at what is it the Bison or the buffalo where they stampede because they panic and they literally jump off a cliff and kill themselves. Yeah we have in Canada Calgary in Calgary. The smashed in Buffalo head is literally with this place is called. I saw when I was a kid. Like ten or eleven. Albert is a fucking plays some weird shit going and they've been natives right used to fuck in run them off the fucking cliff and they would freak out and shit so they would get them to all fucking jumpoff kill themselves and then natives would end up getting a bunch of Bison meat essentially but you can't preserve it so in essence almost they pretty much almost hunted the bison to in the buffalo extinction. Yeah almost what's because they're also using their hide for a bunch of Shit but I love talking about native Shit. We'll get into it after I got one more. Ufo case and then we can talk about thunderbirds. Which is pretty cool. The first strange occurrence in Bridgewater. There's another ufo citing and it's still a mysterious object is even showed up to today the same kind of object. There've been photograph news reports and more dating back over one hundred years but one same particular stands out because they've had a shitload seems like on July third nine hundred. Seventy two people in the social area of Massachusetts looked up in the sky lit up in the night sky and spotted strange sight a large triangle. Object that look like a baseball diamond. A reportedly was translucent. By many and then a local navy base received numerous calls enquiring about the object to this day. No one has an answer as it was and the object was reportedly visible for an hour or the half an hour. A least twenty-six people saw it washes fucking weird. I've never seen a UFO but every time out anywhere like that. I'm always on the lookout for one now. I've seen a lot of weird ship and I like that the thunderbirds be Kinda Fun. I've always heard about the numbers. I have a whole cool Canadian mysteries like site. That has shitload of cool stories. I'm can start using it for Some of our episodes. But there's a like I like literally pages. Thunderbirds and there are certain native tribes believe in the thunderbird legendary jar giant condor like bird with great powers. And exactly where you were talking about earlier and Hawk mock Hachem Mock Alcohol Swamp Hawk swamp located in Bridgewater Triangle there have been numerous of sightings of giant pterodactyl like creature similar to the stunner birds. One citing is weirdly particular and nineteen. Seventy-one a police sergeant. Thomas Downey was driving near Bird Hill eastern Massachusetts. Obviously I keep saying this word and I'M GONNA fuck it up well. He claimed that he had seen a six foot tall creature with a wingspan. Nearly double its size. He watched the bird fly over and went to the police to report it and they laugh but he stuck to his story for years to come. Yeah the THUNDERBIRD THEY. Some people believe in some follow that these birds can carry whales back to their nests. That's fucked up. That's weird but it's like I tell everybody again. Fucking bird is this vast of land and regardless of the fact that okay maybe there is some o- some sort of overpopulation of people in this world. There's still a lot of rural places where you can go and not see people for miles and miles and miles. You don't know Manitoba you don't know what happens out all isn't it like and I don't know a lot about Canada. Isn't Alberta a little bit rule to cut? Yeah it's Daphne Albert NBC or like some Weird Shit joke about I think I see. I haven't been all over honestly. I've been every fucking province and there's not that many of them by either man Tober Scotch. Awan where they fucking they about how you just look over the land and it's Mad Toba and it's fucking straight like there's fucking land for gas and you can literally like you could see a neighbor's house a thousand miles away. Because it's just straight land no bumps no curves to fucking it's weird. Yeah and like no hills. Nothing reason I say that is because a lot of these places and I'm not saying that cryptos real maybe but remember just how India Amazon rainforest. There's a lot of things that we don't. There's they're discovering brother discovering new species every other day that we know about right major. Maybe there is some bird that like. I said before. All the biggest fish in the lake. They're the biggest fish. Because of the most elusive. Just because you don't see them doesn't mean they're not bear right. What is it APPS? I finished? Why finished underwater you that yeah yeah it was fucking good actually really enjoyed. It gives that thought of like and you know at the end. It's like through Lou and Shit supposed to be love and the creatures needed shit was. I actually enjoyed it. And the fact that like to scariest things I would say outer space because you in underwater Osmosis to roll in these both places you don't have oxygen and I think that's what the scary thing isn't that you have to be in some apparatus or suit being underwater that deep with trip. The fuck was that one of their movie. Deep Blue Sea with the big Ash. Sharq. I one sick. They like yeah they make the sharks smart and Shaima forever but movie all we like wash pretty young and trip me out because watching two thousand one space odyssey especially. Yeah yet where again? It's like again. This cosmic thing where the unexplained right like that Monolithic Work Faulk DOT COM from that. I Love Stanley Kubrick into remove. That never saw. I think it was me. And Billy just put in the background of a podcast and now he's like I've soundtracks. Well yeah that too. I like Stanley Kubrick. Closing cars are the third kind. I never really have seen Steven Spielberg's movie. They're watching the background of one episode. And I'm going to think I'm GonNa like watch on quarantine because it looked fucking good and I've never seen it yet. The check it out because it looked good and look at eighty style. This was trickier. What's get in the hitchhiker while most famous legends of Bridgewater Triangle is the red headed hitchhiker on route? Forty four a man. Yeah fucking ginger. Coming down the FUCKING ROAD. Also fucking creepy really quogue. I the reenactment they did in the and the documentary was very corny. So like it tripped me out. But then I was like man this is corneas fuck. But they say you know gingers. Don't have souls dude yeah. Sky Was Solis. And it's really funny to bring this up because it's definitely come back. This'll be after what me billy's up so we just did. We talked about these ginger aliens abducted people and they were like big eyes and like weird. Fucking slit fucking fish mouths and shit is fucking weird shit. That's for sure. Some gres are like almost nordic and there appeared. Yeah right there's a bunch of shit maybe there's different alien ran grace. Who knows. Yeah I would think though as the man walked up to the road on his way to find a payphone. He saw a red headed stranger. He asked the man for help but the man was silent upon asking the second time. The man knows that the stranger's face contorted and ghostly out of freight the man ran back to his car to tell his wife who he found standing outside. The car terrified when she when he asked what was wrong. She said she had turned on the radio and heard a deranged laughter and taunting voice that colder by name there several different versions of this tale. But this one is by far the spookiest. Yeah that's that would freak me out. Did you get crazy? Also the you said you had something about the truckers. Well Yeah I got that. Want to talk about that next. Because this one's fucking let me and before we move on. I just wanted to add some juicy Hawk swamp that place is obviously were the most consistent stories originate from and we're talking about the thunderbird and the yet there's also other cryptic beings there and they say that there's at least a thousand graves that date back to at least eight thousand years old or more and like I said earlier what that's fucking Yeah yeah so like in like native burial then that means more than likely yeah but it just said graves native American or now who knows but after I was gonNA be some aliens. We talked about the war after the war. The native Americans used the swamp as a hiding place to hide from the English there. And like I mentioned before it's just something about these open areas that just really fuck with your psyche because it's always like we did the bigfoot episode where you're there you feel on ease of somebody watching you and it's always even if you don't go into a haunted plays even when. I'm walking like a trailer something here Lia- Creek or something. You still feel like that constant. Somebody's watching you and a you're with me and my girlfriend get that even when we drink it's getting the conversations about go sir past life stuff or a a bunch of Weird Shit aliens in general or something like that and you dislike. Because it's like you're talking about either your consciousness or like something's like two homing in they you're talking about or the energy field. We always feel like creepy. And then we think we hear something and Shit it could be your consciousness or it could be something honing in that. You're talking about it because we've thought that there's like in her own house that we're renting. We heard Weird Shit and had things turned on. We've had a chair move out of nowhere like we came home and the chair was definitely not where it was before. And Shit. It's fucking shits weird dude like and you may bring shit towards yourself because when you talk the more you talk about up your consciousness the more things that are when I yeah when we used to play the Ouija board I was like always always a dead person. I'm talking to you. Learn about the alien shit and they're playing it and it was telling me that like an alien couldn't tell me when I was a kid because I'm gonNA younger because I wouldn't have understood and everything and made me start thinking even if that was some weird shit or my consciousness or whatever when playing that it would be very weird if that was the case that aliens could also or some sort of entities could come through on a Ouija board that are still alive. That are just outside of her eyesight. I've always said that we'd theory and it fucking trips me. Oh I think it's all one in the to be honest. Yeah well there's A. There's a the trucker after there's a weird did actually in bridgewater triangle and Lake Nipah fucking Christ NIP Nicot Nipah. Nick is home to ghost. Ufo's mysterious magic lights and of course crip did that is mysterious unidentified in paranormal animal. Obviously if anyone does the fucking now and the lake in this lake supposedly has plenty of them snake so large they mess with local tro population. That have been long been reported as well strange shapes that had been seen moving through the water they have never been. There have been reports of frogs running at that. I do but there's even been reports of frogs raining down onto the lake. That's fucking crazy. Even that yeah. I'll let the fuck like some plague shit like a fucking fraud. I don't like I wouldn't like that. I used to catch frogs. Having them read on my head fuck that Shit. I think there's there's some crazy things that occur that I think might contribute to the I'd have to look into it but I think it might be possible to where they can actually rain fish or something on you. Well were's that Tristan is the weird weird light. The that's really weird. That we'd like triangle lighting troughs. Strange shapes they can see in the water. And it'd be weird if they were symmetrical in some sense because it'd be like you know if you saw triangle and a moving around you'd like what the fuck is that thing. Yeah well so on the topic of aliens in. Ufo's and stuff like that there's also underwater unidentified objects what the act. Yeah Oh yeah. Was it like you underwater? Something I dunno W. or something no underwater unidentified you w you hours at some weird shit but again what? These open areas right. Let's talk about the middle of the ocean. You don't know what happens there when you're not there right so who knows if maybe we do have other. Paranormal things a happen. How to open water or we have these unidentified flying things that people have seen. They see him go underwater or there's been accounts of people in submarine where they pick up these unidentified things just flying past them. Like at a at a high-speed we've talked about that and I've always said like who knows. Maybe it's not above us that we should be worried about. It's below us. Yeah Hollower shirt alien crafts in the ocean but thing is say you were an alien. I wanted to monitor a planet. But you don't want to do it in obvious place that you knew that we were constantly. If you were smart enough you'd be like hey let's just go down the ocean some dope ass base in the bottom of the fucking ocean where nobody's going to get to it for at least maybe a couple. Hundred Years Pacific Rim -nology where you have an curl Walter. Inter dimensional to like some other realm where these monsters come through right water has weird natives believed in it water resonates weird energy and ufo. Shit to do with that or ghosts and stuff water resonates a weird energy and you can like map it out. It's fucking weird. I wanted to add obviously on the topic of cryptos. I don't know if you pick this up the Pug The PUCK Wedgie. Did you pick that up? I've talked about the Puck Wabi. I'm pretty sure. Yes I feel. Like me. And Billy made fun of that. Fuck but little t like the little. Yeah because they they talk about it where they've because obviously it's native American folklore and they talk about some encounters that people had with the puck. Is it the giant thing? And then he has like nothing. We talked about him. But I'm always drunk a little. We talked about. Yeah I know we talked the PUCK. I'm always drunk on my episode fucked over member. He's a four to five feet tall. Yeah I feel like when we talk about the PUCK Wedgie. There's some weird native folklore like this giant going after the Puck Wedgie and killing them and then the puck. Wedgie seek revenge. There's some weird fucking shit about that. Fuck Man Marine Miyabe walk from Star Wars because in the documentary of the way. They depicted him. Was like this little hairy guy that Harry Monster that lures people to their deaths or some crazy guy the way the guy explained it in the documentary this gotshall was supposedly was there. Was this weird light. And then this little thing appeared in front of him and was like trying to lure him to go toward him and it's like a reminder like that's kind of weird they have e t fuck you. Yeah we definitely talk about him because I usually get. We Pretty Buzz and especially when we're together you. The podcast makes little more fun in free but like and we're talking about how the native thing there's legends that loom around supposedly Appro foul rock vessel. It's called Freetown and it's considered to be sacred and there's legends of Ghosts of Native American warriors dancing. They're scaring off any of those who venture to close given the bloody history of the triangle kind of makes sense but just pretty funny bunch of native dudes and little loincloths fucking dancing around trying to scare you. Well what you mentioned at the beginning right like the Russillo. What if it's just them doing a yeah true image of them doing a that they did all the time and it? Kinda like stuck there because there was like a weird ritual. Yeah because again. If you see some she like you're not gonNA stick around right now you're going to just run and maybe it isn't until June wanting what they call it? Where maybe it did. Acknowledge them right. Who knows is weird. Get the trucker. This is kind of fun shit. Beware of the mad trucker of COPA cut road in Fall River. Legends had said that there is a ghostly truck with a loud horn. Were fucking feasible. Is it a truck or like a? Yeah I would think I would think like a pickup truck. Documents was a pickup truck. What it's a pickup truck. Yeah it's not like a fucking transport truck no. It's a pickup truck brought. That's why I was wondering when you say truck I say truck for like a pickup and it was this pickup that it's like this rural where it's like dirt and if you're on at a certain time or something like that. Yeah that's it seems to me like it's a fucking like that's fucking weird. I would not see a pickup truck. It'd be like Oh shit unless there was one thousand nine hundred fifties pickup truck old school. One that'd be Kinda creepy I think truckers because like transport trucks we will be about. We talked about route route. Sixty six on one episode the haunted route that goes spans all across the United States. It's Edgier fun topic. You should dive into sometime. But they're talking about like a ghost trucker in that shit too and it seems more of transport truck. It'd be a little scarier allowed. Horn that terrorizes motorists particularly tourists at night. Witness have seen headlights coming towards them. Her truck's Horn blasts on and seeing the trucker in the rear view mirror and sees say trucker. It seems like it's a transport truck what they've gotten out of their cars the a closer look he fucking disappears. He's gone nowhere to be seen. I believe there may be some trucker that died on that route right or some a pickup that crash and kill themselves you re living. Well reliving his best moments. Or He's pissed off or or again as a residual energy in that he did that route constantly or he's like stuck in some weird parallel dimension where he thinks he's gotta do that route every day to go to work or some bullshit and then so we think he's still thinks he's alive because there's cases that that happens bill are dead but I think they're alive. And maybe he's out of the way and hawking the horns because he thinks actually get ahead of car. It's a weird thing but who knows man? Yeah I believe in abroad believed the paranormal was a very odd thing. And I I again I have to believe in it because if I believe in different realms and different dimensions so it could be possible man. When I was looking into this I was like a lot of these people like they would pay to go on tours to these different sites. There's some it Kinda cool I'd do it. Yeah there was this rocks of the Rock. They you said were the native. Americans are seen not one of the rocks and it has to do with that belt and all this stuff and obviously they sort of did it wrong where they put his head up on the pike and left it. There obviously is a disrespect to the native Americans. And there's also a I think I forgot the name of the place but I might have said at the beginning of the episode. Where because it's it's so much shit that's going on. There's so much stuff so yet it's fucking weird and I think we should have one day dive into the meter triangle alone just because it is a little more extensive something before we talk about the Bermuda Triangle. They say because when I was researching this it came up. Obviously I live in Florida. We have the everglades. They say that the flight flight the famous flight nineteen disappeared. It didn't disappear over the disappeared in the everglades. That's fucking weird man. There's there's lost cities in the everglades. Bro. That's all I will come on that episode of that and I'll look a bunch of shit because when I've researched other topics I've definitely come up with that. I was researching foot. The everglades came up so like you that there's actually one more weird kind of isn't really a Ufo with people have seen a fear a fear of fire in the night sky and the bars to. It's it's so it's so bright. It lights up towns. Multiple witnesses spotted bowls of fire in two thousand and eleven. Twenty one separate reports were filed. So you know. What's that fucking stupid Aspen? Acdc great balls of fire on fires in the distance and when they go there to see who weird on. And as I was saying before. There's this rock where supposedly this lady had jumped off and killed herself so every now and then people look up and they see some lady in white right. You always hear that like all. I've heard about that too. She was described again. It's so much in this place and I really. I got most of my information from that documentary. 'cause I really couldn't find a lot of people. I found a shitload. I didn't know I didn't know about this place and when I go when you wrote. Smells like Bro. Bermuda Triangle. No new bridgewater you fucking Typo Bro. And that's why I thought it'd be some fun indifferent because I don't know where the fuck I looked it up. I think it was just doing research and I was going over a bunch of websites for like weird paranormal shit. And like this kind of a fun light topic to do with everything we can of. And we're I think we're doing. This is kind of Nice for getting to know each other more shit autumn. A more like friendship level and Shit and be able to joke more. So that gives you more jokey stuff and then we can do serious stuff down the road. Because it's definitely like I had fun doing this. I got technically two more pages of stuff but this is the interesting. This is the one I was of point to earlier. Wasn't the serial killer. Besides animal sacrifice sacrificing the swamps and woods of bridgewater triangle. There's also been a bunch of cadavers. Found human bodies and two thousand fourteen. Two women were found in the woods. Nearby the border of Brockton and Abington Abington any of their body parts were severed including a foot a calf a part of an arm that cadaver's the bodies like people could averages could average replaced on top of one another and there were signs of rituals ritualistic activities. The case was never solved. It is weird. If it's these calls to blame or what but the fact that yeah they severed body parts which is usually that sounds more like a serial killer and shit like that and there was bodies placed on top of each other is very weird and there was another guy when I was watching. Doc about this shit. There's another guy that was like a satanist serial killer and he killed his girlfriend because he thought she was cheating on him and then a girl was there like helped him with it or at least watched I think she was in the car while he went and did it and then I think he killed somebody else because somebody is a bunch of Shit and like I should have added it. But it's nothing like crazy like this guy that killed his girlfriend and then he killed another girl and in the one girl ratted him out and then he got caught for. There's been there was another one where this guy tied up this girl to a tree. Cut Her head off and they were talking about how it was just a murder and it wasn't having anything to do with ritualistic satanic murderer right like this they but it makes you think maybe maybe this is another theory that maybe the energy in this area to do this. Dark Shit. I was going to say that too literally. It's like the suicide force in Japan. They talk about that stuff to our. Kyle lures you in which is really interesting to even say that because like what is the energy you found interesting in your darker shit so you took a walk there and then you know so to speak something like whispers in your ear talks to you or or you or you go home and you bring home and then it's delayed fucked up and again I don't. I don't think I'd be able to. I'd ever be able to like these people. Jeffrey Dahmer and all these different circles. Yeah we'RE GONNA. We're GONNA get into Jeffrey Dahmer and the next month or two of our episodes written out ready. So I'm so we'RE GOING TO RECAP. We have a big foot we have thunderbird more satanic nls. We have a little bit more but here like we have the budget. Yeah the native whole culture. This is one that you we already kind of touched on. I guess and then is literally have two more small points and then like an audible mention and then we can kind of wrap up like multiple. Children have gone missing. We're kind of like tiptoed around that and Bridgewater Triangle after a few and a few were actually found. One story has happier ending little. Elden Johnson was playing with his sister. When suddenly witnessed a nearby nearby he witnessed a horrifying scream when he went to see. What's wrong the boy was gone? Hundreds of volunteers police search for the boy and there was no trace of him. Twenty four hours later. The boy just walked out of the woods with a bundle of modern twigs and asked if the rescuers would like to buy some flowers he seemed healthy and said he had no memory of the past day. The only thing he did remember was he was compelled to go pick flowers because I would might make him rich and no one knew what went on. He was unharmed. But he was technically in the swamp over fucking night and this could disappear screamed. Everyone hurt like people heard this kid screaming. I messed it up. People who witnessed that he was like saw this boy screaming that they herded least and when they went to see he was gone and then he was in twenty four fucking hours. This kid's this kid was in the woods Probably the one The was that was that one would of Freetown. Yeah the Freetown forest. Look it up. But that's fucking weird and they came out and he was calm and fine and was like Oh. Do you want to buy some flowers? That's fucking weird again. Maybe something possess them because they also talk about poultry guys in this area and all these different entities taking over people and again and I believe I talking to weird and I enjoyed doing this Mitchell more about the big foot and then I got to kind of honorable mentions so speak about th. We're things at this. Actually in the Bridgewater Triangle. Most people think of as being located somewhere out. West however folks of Bridgewater Triangle. Make a pretty good case for him. Take it up the residency in their area. Local business owners meteorites and even law enforcement have said they have all seen strange creature near the woods that looked like half a half man and one thousand nine hundred. Seventy two two police officers saw saying they couldn't explain. The officers were sitting in the car when they suddenly began to. They felt the car. Lift off the fucking ground when they felt somebody lifting the car. The officers one with the spotlight to get defender. Whoever is doing this and claimed massive bear and then it ran into the woods but sightings continue to this day. Yeah a lot of people talk about being a bear or something but it makes you ever seen. Yeah you ever seen friends the show or Yeah No. I'm not a big Fan of trying to think what else trying to of a stupid run. There is the listeners might get. Is You ever watch friends? But we we stopped and then ran into the forest and the show friends character. Phoebe runs like a fucking idiot. And Like I. It's embarrassing so let's just be funny if you ran like stupidly into the forest like Oh fuck and like didn't even like he's maybe thought it was a snack but no it's weird it reminds. You've never probably seen this on this show because it's funny. But the movie Goof Troop Weird Disney movie and they go in the forest in bigfoot creature like lifts up their car and they freak out and then it goes through all their food and their tent and shit. It's like a Disney movie and they talk about fucking bigfoot. It's like a cartoon or doesn't movies are wild like they have some blows them. Yeah I wouldn't. Yeah no I got two matches Kinda Fund rather bridgewater. Triangle is the birthplace of two famous sideshow performers. The first human skeleton was a man named Isaac W who lived in the mid eighteen hundreds and was so skinny in odd-looking that he became the original thin man of circus fame. He weighed less than forty three pounds at the Holy. Fuck at the time of his passing. The other was general. Tom Thumb who stood only twenty five inches tall and he acts. He did acts and costumes as well as comedy. Routines and others fucking weird to sideshow people like you know. It's one area coincident right. That's what talks about throwing norcal Williams. That's and I think that's I got it from my mom growing up. But also he's the one that kind of cemented that in my brain that like I've listened to that I was very young kid. Pride corrupted my mind also won. Honora mentioned as really fucking weird. Is that Lizzie? Borden lived in the within the Bridgewater Triangle and actually stayed in a hospital in. I think Freetown or the other tack Freetown or able of Lizzie. Borden and had an ax gave her father forty whacks. When she was done she was the. You've never heard that tail what it's a. It's weird. It's it's a round Massachusetts in the states. But look at five bucks out the I. I was Lizzie. Borden had an ax gave her mother forty whacks. When she was done she gave her father. Forty one and it's like when she realized what she has done Acuras. Yeah if fucking what's the I'm actually GonNa end to end this. I want to look up. the poem. What so I can. I can say it right. Put you look lizzy board. I'm not surprised you've never heard of this. That's wild row. I like you should look. She's a killer but thinking I've always been interested in like Sarah and shit like that so I get why but I've always heard about her poem all the fucking time like ever since a kid we would fuck and talk. Abetted told you more into like the whole inter dimensional beings and oh yeah different things right and like I'm never I haven't really like when you bring up ideas and my paranormal all. I'll look it's fun dude. So I did I did say right. There is no is pretty much Toshi. She gave her father forty one so it is a story and she killed her parents and shit. And it's it's a weird thing. I think that she was maybe possessed by something fucking nose well in the documentary and it's called the bridgewater triangle on Amazon prime. There is a clip of this lady. Being possessed I think it was by the Pugwash years. Something like that. Yeah those weird like I was watching my girls like what the fuck and I was like. Yes he's being possessed. That's so funny. I fucking thoroughly enjoyed. I like talking about the paranormal encrypted and all that because answer killers because I find a way to turn it on its head kind of. That's what mean. Billy do especially billy. Because he's got a fucked up head and says fucked up shit all the time in the podcast but it's about like kind of like having fun with making fun of Dark Shit. Make it lighter so it's kind of like we definitely do more dark comedy and I try to get you a little on the boards. We could use some fun fucking Dark Shit on here which I think it'd be definitely find like all these episodes while they're something crazier next time. I'm always down. Moment was done for whatever dope follow? Us strain PODCAST DOT COM shedder instagram strange brew. Canada same with their facebook account. Want Show Your Shit Instagram at the Hilton podcast website. The one on PODCAST DOT com. I got a blog on there that I released with every episode. I just talked shit. Oh blog and yeah follow. Follow me on there and say adding everything to the end of or on my the actual wherever you are getting this podcast from whether it be pod being fucking apple podcasts. Cast boss whatever it is. I'm putting pretty much oliver in for the bottom so go search at the bottom. You could find once podcasts rampage shit. Now I'm starting to do that now. So if you're podcast we call the shoes so check it out and stace. Rain fell for another strain one later.

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2.12 The Legacy of Bacon's Rebellion

The Political History of the United States

31:00 min | 4 months ago

2.12 The Legacy of Bacon's Rebellion

"Hello and welcome to the political history of the United States. Episode two point twelve. The legacy of Bacon's rebellion. When I first set out to begin writing about baking rebellion, I had planned on this being a quick two or three episode series to cover the events. And yet here we stand on episode six. This week. However, we are finally ready to wrap up events in Virginia and moved to Massachusetts for the turmoil that is going to take over that colony in King Philip's war. Before we move on, however, we have some more of the story to put to bed. We are going to spend this week looking at three billion in the wake of nathaniel sudden death. This is going to include the return of Berkeley and his plan on getting retribution on those who wronged him as well as the English response to the rebellion. Because they are by the about to jump into the conflict. Finally I want to take some time to look at the legacy of big rebellion. What did it mean long term for Virginia? Beyond that, what was the rebellion? Was it a riot against a corrupt individual, or was it a greater independence movement that took place one hundred years before the American revolution. We have eight ten to cover today, so let's jump right in and start addressing these questions. I had mentioned last time that the Bacon does not mark the actual end of the rebellion. In fact after Bacon died, there would remains a real pockets of resistance. However as an organized effort that was full united throughout Virginia that part of the rebellion did in fact Diet October twenty six along with Bacon. Well I would love to detail. Each one of these little groups that thought on I'm going to end up largely having to bypass them in the interests of keeping my series on Bacon's rebellion under fifty episodes. However do be aware that some groups continue to hold out and fight though there Pfizer largely uncoordinated from the other rebel holdouts. Immediately following the death of Bacon, the main theater fighting was along the James in the York rivers. This is largely because. The losses Berkeley head managed to maintain some advantage when it came to fighting it see the death of big had come at a time when one would expect to have naturally been dying down, men were already tired and ready to head home to prepare for the winter. The assumption being that the fight would presume the following spring. Had Bacon survived. It would have been interesting to see what the winter months would have brought. After all at some point, the English are going to arrive and when they do it likely means they complete shift in everybody's plans. With the weather turning colder, the Berkeley of forces still holding the naval advantage, and the main figure of the rebellion dead Berkeley opened up negotiations in certain circles part in the followers of Bacon. who to a bed in his 'cause? Well weeks before this would have been unthinkable after all making was winning the war things has certainly changed in a dramatic way in a very short amount of time. As more and more prominent figures of the revolt agreed to take an oath for Berkeley in exchange for a pardon. It did not bear well for the future of the revolution. Over the next several months of sixteen, seventy, six into February, sixteenth seventy, seven Berkeley, was able to move slowly, and methodically through the colony, regaining control throughout the winter months the Berkeley enforces proved to outmatch the rebels and continue to assert their dominance as the war on the rivers, collapsing more m more Berkeley was able to increase his control over the land itself. Now you guys might have figured out by this point. That Berkeley was really pissed off about everything that had gone down during the rebellion. Not only had he personally been defied, but he hit seen his home looted is capital Burt and himself run from the colony more than once. The insults of being forced gump to sign the June laws or being stood up in Gloucester, were not things that Berkeley would soon forget nor things that he was going to be quick to forgive. Burghley was taking a good amount of pressure from captured and imprisoned leaders of the revolt when he got them. None of this is to say that the rebels simply went home well, some of them did basically just that and say that they had had enough for today and went home. Many continue to fight on. As, we will discuss the resistance. Hardly over however were things had so dramatically changed. Is that this was no longer something that resembled a cohesive rebellion. Basically. was trying to hold on and knock it destroyed by Berkeley's forces. What was gone was that center of power that Bacon hit brought. Sure there are others tried to hold it together. Men like Lawrence. and Drummond but generally everybody was now just off doing their own thing and try not to die. As men had fought to Bacon when victory was so assured, those who had at one point for the rebel cause now quickly jumped right back across the lives for the governor, the winds were changing and is so often the case men did not want to end up on the wrong side of the battle. Berkeley was happy to welcome the average foot soldier back into the fold after all he did need to make sure that he had people to fight for him. However asked for the leadership will that was a much different story. Berkeley had been humiliated time and time again. Bacon was dead, and there was going to be no retribution. He could get there. However as for the rest of the leadership, well Berkeley had planned for them. In the middle of January sixteen, Seventy, seven Berkeley will begin taking his revenge. Beginning with five men, some of which have been some of the earliest leaders of the rebellion e condemn them all to death. Ellie some of these men had tried to work out surrenders that would have produced a more equitable peace. Oliver Berkeley was having none of it. On January twenty, four, th outside the runes Jamestown two of the five men were hung. Another would disappoint the governor by Dine in jail. While the other two managed to escape the news and slipped back into the ring, so the rebels. This however does start a new phase in the rebellion. Berkeley had plans to punish those evolved and was not interested in peaceful terms. For anybody who maybe was thinking about coming to terms and surrendering the message was loud and clear. The governor was not happy to go back to the status quo or for some oath of loyalty. Fully planned to weed out the revolutionary leaders where he could and make sure that they could never rise up against to begin the English were to say the least very concerned about the events going on across the Atlantic in their colony. Obviously, they were ultimately going to have to respond to the events. It is here that we should take just a moment to remember how quickly things have progressed while it may seem that may of sixteen, Seventy six was a long long time ago. The fact is that it is just eight months passed the beginning of the rebellion when royal troops begin to arrive in February of Sixteen, seventy seven. In order to address the rebellion, Virginia, the King Charles, the second coast to form a commission, made up of three men. The first man was captain John Berry. Who would be the first to arrive in the colony with a group of approximately seventy English soldiers? These troops were there to both protect Berkeley from the rabble, and to some extent protect the rabble from Berkeley. The second man was Colonel Francis. Moyer said. Moore is it was sent along as he had a long history in Virginia. He has been time. They're working under Berkeley and even served as governor drained period. Berkeley was absent. His knowledge of the land and of Berkeley himself was going to prove important. The final commissioner who was trailing slightly behind the others was Colonel Herbert Jeffreys. But I two commissioners came along with seventy men. Jeffries on the other hand was the man bringing the force. Along with Jeffries was a thousand men already to fight. Ultimately the job of restoring order throughout the Connie was going to belong to Jeffrey's. This was in always a devastating blow for Berkeley. From virtually the moment that the commissioners arrived, they made clear. That Berkeley's primary job was to do what they said and you say out of their way. Berkeley was free to do whatever he wanted as long as it is what the commissioner told him to do. Brolin tencent purposes, this would mark the official end of Berkeley's time in power, and would render him nothing more than a lame duck for the rest of his time in Virginia. When, the English five! They do not come to restore Berkeley to where he wants bid. Instead they were there to usher in a new era of English rule. The political apparatus that Berkeley had so carefully crafted, and had so enriched him and his followers was done. There was no coming back from this one. where he was caught completely off guard is that the English were not there to simply restore order, but they were there to correct. The reasons order have been lost in the first place. In this fashion Berkeley found that despite everything he had done, he was being viewed in many ways as being just as big of enemy as Bacon was. This of course is not to say that the English came across ready to proclaim the big enforces the victor. Instead we see Charles the second, just throw his hands up in void out the entire Euro sixteen seventy six seriously, the king lays down a blanket veto of every single law passed sixteen seventy six. To adding. Insult to the old governor, the King issued a pardon for him and his allies in the legislature for their treason. Now you may be asking wait. Why does Berkeley need a part of? The Guy may have been somewhat incompetent but a traitor. The English however point to the fact that Berkeley and the legislators had signed off on the June laws. Sure they were a gun point, but in the eyes of England, that was not a terribly relevant fact. What was relevant is that they wanted to make sure that Berkeley fully understood his place in the new order. The English issued pardons for nearly all of the revolutionaries as well as for the people emerging as a whole. The notable exception being bicket himself. Get much care because he had been dead for the past four months. All the part required of the Virginians is that they stopped fighting and they take yet another oath pledging their loyalty to the king. Berkeley was not super anxious just to totally a bed and everything he had worked so hard to build, and would find that he often clashed with the English forces. Deciding that he was going to assert the fact that as of the moment at least he was still governor Berkeley called an assembly green spring to restore the government systems that have been displaced by Baguette. However this time there would be no free election. This just makes sense. Just because Berkeley was no peering that he was going to emerge victorious. The reality is that there is still a whole lot of animosity towards Berkeley and a whole of sympathy and support for the rebels. Sure the support, not actually going out and fighting anymore for a lot of people, however in their hearts and minds. They still knew which side they chose. Free elections would have given an opportunity to once again legitimize the rebels and give them an open forum thing that Berkeley just simply couldn't allow. Instead Berkeley led the local sheriff, each county sheriffs who were loyal to him to choose who the new representatives were going to be. This insured that Berkeley would be ruling with men who were unquestionably loyal to him, and would deny any future legitimacy the rebels. Drain their time in Green Springs, it was a mixture of discussion on how to get the money back on its feet. Albert mostly. It was just a bunch of guys discussing how they were going to enjoy the spoils of war. Discussions were varied, however, often came back to the confiscation of land of those who fought alongside Bacon. Because you know the best way to move forward is to learn absolutely nothing from the revolt that you've been fighting for months. Instead of actually addressing the issues, this would mark the beginning of eight tenth relationship between the Royal Forces in Berkeley. The royal forces had two primary issues I discussed before the rebellion didn't simply end when Bacon died shirt off, there were still pockets of rebellion throughout Virginia. Second! They needed to deal with a royal governor who wasn't really following that command to just stay out of the way. Berkeley ever the survivor did all he could to avoid being the lame duck that the English fitted him to be. However the English were playing a different game than Berkeley were Bacon. They had a trained army. They had mandates from an actual. For Berkeley, his authority was soon, basically contain to his home in Green Springs and not much further than that. In the months between February and June Berkeley did all he could to reassert his own authority. The meeting that he had held a green springs in direct of those English orders to basically do exactly as we tell, you is only a single example. Suddenly it was Berkeley. Who hit become the rebel to the English. All of this reached a head in early May, sixteenth seventy seven. By this point, the English were so sick of Berkeley's continued interference that some of them wanted to see him hunt for trees it. This would not come to pass. However, the commissioners all agreed that Berkeley needed to go. Therefore the decision was made Berkeley his legislature were officially disbanded Berkeley was stuck on a boat and sent back to England. William Berkeley would return to England in disgrace where he would only survive for a few more months. Underlie Ninth Sixteenth, Seventy Seven Governor William Berkeley died. William Berkeley first appears at our story way back in episode one point twelve there. During his first into governor he'd seen. The colonists defeat the pouting confederacy now however, it is time for William Berkeley to exit our story. It is an interesting question to wonder what would have happened if he had simply addressed the Indian threat on the frontier in a method that didn't simply include raising taxes. This ability to be completely tone deaf throughout the entire period of beacons, rebellion would come to color the legacy that Berkeley left behind yet for a colony that struggled so much to find stable footing for such a long time. It is worth mentioning that William. Berkeley was and still remains the longest serving governor in Virginia's his story. For the next several years the English would continue to snuff out small pockets of resistance, but or our purposes they rebellion is now over. I want to spend the second half of today's episode discussing what the entire ordeal had meant. On the two extremes, the rebellion can be painted nothing shy of a prelude to the revolution of seventeen seventy six, likewise, however, others will portray it as an isolated episode civil disobedience. Following the dispatch Berkeley from the colony of the commissioners had to worry about making sure. Those still loyal to Bacon didn't decide to rise backup at revolt. Those who had failed to get onboard with the new royal pine, were perched out of the government and more friendly people were added back in. Possibly as a surprise, but probably not is the fact that by this point, the Royal Commissioners were making little distinction between Bacon and Berkeley. In the months following the end of the rebellion, the Berkeley loyalists caused just as much of a headache for the English forces as anybody else. Ultimately however, while the idea of pershing, those leaders who were on their face, opposed to the increased rule of English like a good idea. The fact is that these men would prove. To the functioning of the colony. Within just a few years, many of the planters who had been loyal to Berkeley, and therefore purged ended up backing governing positions, they own large tracts of land and much to the annoyance of the English commissioners, alday lot of power over the colony, regardless of their official government role, however, the relationship between the big patriots and the rural planters was forever changed. Sure! The rural planters had just literally fought a war against the huge planters. Those who have been loyal Berkeley. However now, Berkeley and Bacon were both dead, the citizens of Virginia despite the previous year's war now had something in common with each other. They all despise Jeffries in the commissioners. Jeffries did much to curb the excesses of the large planters, and instead tried to appeal to the demands of the common planter. In that way, Bacon's rebellion really was a success, the large planters, realizing that they were now living in a system where they were deeply unpopular and wanting to avoid for the reduction of their power, or themselves forced to make concessions to those common planters, which they had been so resistant to do in the past. In this way, the large planters were successful. Bike becoming more receptive to the needs of the smaller planters, the larger players were slowly able to rebuild their political base. Within a few years time a situation had developed with a large planters and the smaller planters have become politically allied against the continuing interference from the English troops. Just, sticking around at that point. As they regained some of their political control. The large planters sought to further move along the path to rehabilitation amongst the common planters by reducing the much hated poll tax recall that the poll tax was deeply hated, and was one of the primary causes that made people so willing to take up arms in the first place as the great planters were willing to allow the Texas to drop and demand for tobacco increased event that there was suddenly much more money in the hands of the small farmers and less tax revenue that they were having to had over. This. Great increases in everybody's prosperity, and along with prosperity came further improved relations. The English forces for their part had come into the colony. Have you handed? Sure they were willing to concede to some of the demands of Bacon's rebels. However, it is impossible to ignore that Virginia had for. The last seventy years functioned pretty much independently of the home islands. Much like in New England Virginia was fine, being an English colony. As long as the English didn't interfere with the day to day operations of the colony, however for the period between sixteen, Seventy, seven and six, hundred eighty two, Wolf, Virginia was occupied by royal troops. The level of autonomy in Virginia was near zero, they were taking a message from the king, and nobody was happy about that. Virginia had their way of doing things and the occupiers wanted to do their own thing their own way. The large planters use this to their advantage. Nobody liked having the English occupying Virginia, which for the first time in years work towards uniting the interests of the great and the common planters alike. This leads to a monumental shift in thinking whereby at the beginning of the eighteenth century. Houses of planters stood united together against the potential tyranny of English government. They are going to remain united moving forward and the next time that they decide that things have become intolerable. It would not be that they chose to fight, but rather the English in seventeen seventy six. In the end. It is hard to look at Bacon's rebellion and not consider it to be a success. Admittedly any far more roundabout fashion that I imagine Nathaniel Bacon would've guessed. However, the great planters, realizing that they needed to make those critical concessions and the reunification of the Virginia. People join hatred of the. English managed to accomplish. Many of the original is of the rebellion. Even when it came to the actual stated reason for the rebellion Indian relations, things did improve the large planters of the colony. Where is still not onboard with the Bacon Esq plan to deal with the Indians chiefly genocide. They would never come around to sharing that point of view that the only good Indian is a dead Indian. Years following the rebellion, they did realize the importance of Indian Affairs on the frontiers and knew the powder that they were sitting on. An will, they weren't on a mission of extermination. They would be far more attentive towards the situation when the Indians did show signs of aggression. As we just discussed, the poll tax was slowly erased, and no longer were the great planters working only to get rich at the expense of the common planters. Instead what emerged was a far more unified colony. Once Berkeley was gone much of that system of cronyism that had soda find the colony over the past decade, and a half was largely broken. The English would remain an occupying force in Virginia until. Eighty two when the majority of the English had died from disease, including Jeffries, who died in sixteen, Seventy eight, and the remaining will be recalled back to England one looking at beacons billion. It is completely impossible to ignore the obvious symmetry with the events that would take place one hundred years exactly one hundred years after Bacon was arguing the June laws. Another Virginian Thomas Jefferson was busy drafting the declaration of independence at the same time George Washington was leading colonial forces against the British army. And will not a huge player. We seriously can't miss. The fact that Washington's great grandfather was directly involved in the events leading up to rebellion. The, entire thing is so perfect that it makes it difficult at times to remember that they were in fact separate events, the timing of the two conflicts says a situation that so perfectly suggest that Bacon's rebellion was some kind of prelude to the American revolution that it is an easy idea to grasp onto it. This is not even to mention that there was at least some evidence that those involved in Bacon's rebellion Adam minimum flirted with the question of what if we sought independence for the crown billion had been nothing short of a disaster, a corrupt governor had allowed conditions to get so bad that it through the entire colony into open rebellion. Well actual independence had little chance of success in sixteen, Seventy six, the English word not anxious to find out for the brief time that such dreams took over the minds of beacons rebels. They're worth us that maybe they could strike it allies with the Dutch, who had just years before lost control over New York back in London there was at least some concern that the rebellion could expand and sweep through the remaining North American colonies. The relationship between the Home Islands in new, England had never been wonderful as we will see in episodes to come, certainly was not improving during the sixteenth seventies, and it is not much of a stretch to think that they would have been happy to join in the rebellious fun yet. Despite some wishful thinking again that deep desire to connect Bacon's rebellion to the events that would take place a century later. Independence didn't really seem in the cards in sixteen seventy six. The colony was still dependent on England, and more than likely lacked the ability to break away survive as it follows in London, the fear really was an independent set of North American colonies, but rather that rebellions were expensive. With the colony, taking up arms, lending was now losing money. Men were busy. Rebellion, which means that valuable tobacco crops were not being properly tended. By the summer of Sixteen, Seventy six is estimated that the rebellion had cost England at least one hundred thousand pounds. Furthermore Lenny Troops Virginia itself was not going to be a cheap undertaking. For the crown, it wasn't there for about just ending the rebellion, it was about making sure that the colonists would not be able to turn around and rebel again. In London it was known that Bacon was a popular figure and they were all pretty well aware that everybody hated Berkeley's. This explains why the English were not super anxious to work with Berkeley upon their arrival, and basically just wanted him to stay out of the way well to a degree, the commissioner sent over to Virginia agreed to concessions to the common planters. Their time in the colony was often seen as being heavy handed. The English. Government sought to get control over the colony from the local level on the. However this did little, but because anger amongst the colonists since sixteen seven Virginia had largely been autonomous, and out suddenly the king and his commissioners were trying to rework all levels of government inside the colony. Ultimately this attempt is going to be what pushes the common planters and the great punters of the colony into an alliance that is basically going to last up until the American revolution a century later they may have had their differences, but everybody could universally agree that they hated the continuing English interference in their daily lives. This ultimately becomes our postscript on the overall rebellion. Sure Bacon was dead, and his rebellion put down. However much had changed because of it. Berkeley at been disposed a lot of those hated taxes, and now been rolled back. Most importantly, however, that alliance of the Greek planters and the common planters comes into. This relationship is going to help to begin to create an American identity in the century to come. Suddenly, the communist found themselves thinking about their position in the empire far more than they had before. This question is going to continue to be at the forefront in the North American colonies for the next decade as the glorious revolution approaches in this way, the attempts of the Stuart governments to intervene and local governments would profoundly backfire on them. Mismanagement is going to again push the colony to the brink of disaster in sixteen, Eighty to one columnist are fed up over the falling prices of tobacco. As Berkeley it feared decades earlier having a single crop that you're completely reliant on made for an extremely volatile economy. And we'll the king's policies of heavy-handedness may not have been the sole cause of falling tobacco prices, as it appears that bigger culprit have been overproduction in the face of stagnating demand. It was much easier to point the finger at the English on the ground. Drain the rights. In sixteen eighty two Virginians of all classes took up burning vast amounts of their crops with the hope that by having less apply, it would drive prices back up. This put the English government into the unenviable position of having to quell the newest riots. Riot that we're widely supported by all Virginians as the oversupply of tobacco threatened to hurt them all, even though the king wanted to concede changes to the common planters the heavy. In local politics and the English attempts to micromanage to prevent another billion created a situation conducive to the common grave planters in Virginia coming together. The tobacco rights sixteen eighty to help to further cement, the two rivals against the perceived enemy in the English occupiers, who, in the might of Virginians wanted to keep the tobacco prices low, and hence tried to quash the new rebellion. This change is reflected largely in what it meant to be an American colonist and becomes apparent in other areas as well. For example, one of the biggest largely unintended results of beacons rebellion can be seen in the very southern risa slavery in Virginia Well, there are numerous theories out there for why there was such a set rise in the prevalence of slavery, following the rebellion was the major theories is that it stems from this fundamental change in thinking regarding the place of the colonists within the empire? Prior to the rebellion, people view the colonies as a big get rich quick scheme. You could go over to the colonies. Make your fortune and then head back to Linden to spend it in peace. In that situation, the investment into a slave really did not seem worth it. You're not going to be there that long at an indentured servant would provide more than enough years for you to conclude your business in the colonies. Following Bacon's rebellion, however that paradigm gets trained on its head, already changing before the rebellion as more and more people born in the colonies wanted to stay there, and as immunity to the local diseases grew. People were now living longer. However drain the rebellion. We see that both sides are more than willing to use the indentured servants of the enemy force against them with early freedom, being the price to pay. People stayed in the Connie's longer impossibly possibly for their entire lives in conjunction with concerns over indentured servants, rising up and killing them. May Slavery look like much more attractive option? There was a general belief that controlling an African slave would prove far easier to accomplish they controlling indentured servants. There are other reasons as well for example protection in the Caribbean in the late Sixties Pete, which in turn drove down there demand for slaves, thus pushing the cost lower which opened up new markets. These are things that we are going to talk more about in the future, so don't worry about that too much for today. Regardless however, following beacons billion, there is a noticeable shift away from indentured servants and towards African slaves. Begins Rebellion had fundamentally changed the landscape of bridge in ways that are going to have long lasting effects. That changes coming out of the rebellion going to remain in place for the next one hundred years, as colonists enriching continue to form their own identity that is largely separate from the English identity across the Atlantic. Begins Billion however wasn't some isolated event in Virginia. That's I mentioned radar first episode on the rebellion, all throughout the colonies tensions were rising as there was a general uneasiness English policy. Beginning next time we are going to head back up north to New England. Well Bacon's rebellion was getting ramped up in Virginia new. England was engaged in King Philip's war. Next time we are going to begin unraveling King Philip's war and all the consequences. It would bring to New England until then I. Hope You all have an excellent two weeks, and that you are staying healthy and staying safe. I will see you back here then as we begin looking at King Philip's war.

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135: The Ghost of Lamps Past and A Pumpkin Stealing Cryptid

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135: The Ghost of Lamps Past and A Pumpkin Stealing Cryptid

"<music> ho cowabunga man. There's gonna be a good one. We're in episode one thirty five the famous thirty five. I know it well. We've been waiting for this day day. I've been waiting to hear all about your experience out of the country. I'm finally not as tired so it's been four days. Since you've been back via or a skop back monday so yeah cool i don't know how long were you there for ten days like eleven days. Yeah tell us everything. Oh my god minute minute by minute. I can't tell you everything because this podcast would never end but i will tell you a couple of things well first of all. I have this for you guys. It's edible. I i love edible present. Is this some cadbury shit. I'm very very that's a british thing visit milka. Yes yes for that. The neither for you sorry at the same time i hope you like. I don't know what is noise set that it's like nougat. I love good news. Gandhi and then these are just like mini which the oh nice and hustle hustle hustle moose is yes word. I'm down with this while the little cow so sweet so i hope i hope you like it. Hell yeah okay no anymore exciting. I was like well. We don't need more souvenir stuff so i'll does chocolate. I do love a good souvenir that i can eat. That's that's true it definitely it definitely bodes well for me in many ways has already shown down face first. There's another one in there but i ate it. That's right. It sounds right so yeah. I mean it was good. I don't know i went to germany and austria. It was a wild time. I saw all my relatives are forty seven people at the first first gathering i it's just my mom's side of the family then we went to austria and there were eighty seven people which is my dad's side of the family. It was really wild. Yes yeah by my grandma thing. Not the grandma thing that was later at a kaiser thing. We had a tour bus and everything like it was insanity. I i love how your extranous is clearly genetic. We'll get a tour bus. They're like oh normal. Normal people have to children. We'll have eight and then see what happens when like yeah that sounds about right and how many siblings do both your parents have again. My mom has seven my dad has four so there's eight and five bananas nanas and they all have kids of course so then they and they all were married at some point so there's like just w marriott multiple times pretty much triple just a lot of people yeah and so look it was a trip. I don't know i only cried once on that segment of the trip but we're gonna go there. I'll ask crazy. Drama my confronted me about a thank you card. She didn't receive and i was like lord almighty. I've been mad at you for months and i've been crying over. This and i was like this is insanity. It was really wild. I wish i let a life so simple that things like that made me mad i know and i was like everyone started gossiping because that's what they do and so then like it. I just suddenly became came. The center of all this drama and i was like i don't know isn't that wonderful you to the country to celebrate your anniversary and then you're also the criminal while it was my my grandfather's birthday so my anniversary is set to the side l. o. l. v. austria was my second wedding second wedding gotcha yeah but we've bought it. I bought ettelaat with ali announced the inner and blazes like willie a good patient travel companion so he and i think he is and he really likes to like do the same stuff i you like trying new restaurants and he's very easy going so it was really fun and then lisa well. Oh my grandma's house. Everyone wants to know about the haunted one. Yes we do all wonderfully the hell we. I forgot how crazy place was. I took plays on a tour and he was like this is not normal. Drive it for the for the car. There's a back room where there's like a billiards table like eight thousand books that are all just like really like two hundred years old and then all the lamp so my grandma had assist like famous lamp empire pyre okay. We're gonna pretend that already know okay. We'll see your grandpa. Create lips like basically my one of my ancestors. Ancestors like apparently created for decorative lamp. It's a whole thing and so my grandpa has the ruins brains exploding exploding. You're not alone. I didn't know this either it usually my fun fact like like we got an icebreaker together through. We never really learned the basics about one another. No we just started a function pocket. We'll we like we'll figure it out. One of my basics is that my grandfather has this <hes> he's like alga skyser like the twelfth or something and they have this like kaiser is orlando company and it's really nuts and so our house or my grandma's house is like full of all these like old lamps but like does it have the original wild ones or is in ohio already know decorative lamp. That should be a museum. That's like charles dickens with canton. They ask so that was wild and like we open the back door and there were all these bats bats and we were like we buy and so then i almost just like computer almost said by the forever lacrosse my sorry trump to going to my nose was like this is it. This is the way i will soda so it was like arm really down. I'm going down carbonation in in your nose rubbing probably much back so my grandma goes. Oh i forgot to tell you don't open the shutters because like that's where the bats are good and there's like a it's like a four storey house so their shutters in every corner and then we're like what's in this door was locked and there was like a trunk in front of it and a curtain and we're like okay so of course we opened it at it. In cartoons full of weasels dream i saw so living yeah they just there's there also mind grandma feeds them and so then they come into the house and she just lets them live live. There in the ceilings are so many questions so he's but they're like german. Oh it's this this animal and i'd never heard of the word so she's a google and i googled it and i was like that's a weasel like it's literally i had. It was a bird really felt. Weasels ferrets yeah. It looks like a weasel. I don't know it's it's a different animal that we have in the u._s. Okay we'll like apparently they burrow into your walls and shit so all night. I don't want her. She hears fucking weasels to me thinking of like like a ferret and they look like that's crazy that they just like bizzaro old lamp it was really bizarre or and my mom and i went into the basement and we found like records from my dad's or my grandpa's company from all the way back in the nineteen sixties all these creepy old like like newspaper clippings and stuff from the sixties and it was like and my grandma's not gone down there in a long time. It's like a really weird place and my brother found a typewriter just like took get home i was going to say did you guys steal anything i would. We only took so for my mom was like oh. That's mine mine from growing up or whatever got it yeah. There's one called the just full of fur coats and i was like i do not one that you can keep those <hes> grandma and then there was you don't want a weasel coat well. I don't want to lose all of our listeners either. We're always looking uh-huh what i'm thinking with the bat thing like an emperor's new groove when his mouth filled with bats in a cave sort of like they just flew. How many how big was the space and how many was it just one one weasel room. I'm still hooked room was like this half of the house on the fourth floor thirty. Get into the house. Yes they're inside the house. So your grandma just use showing amazing they live in that side of the house now and in the spot with all the typewriter and all the old stuff was in the basement. No that was just in the bedrooms. There are like twenty five. I don't know a lot because they had like eight kids and then they all had rooms and guestroom rooms. I know oh there's probably not twenty-five but there are a lot of rooms and many stories to this house and can i ask older grandma's. She is seventy four. She's able bowl to get upstairs and things like that like could she all she wants yeah she does. I'm as imagine how many liberty imagine having so many rooms years like. I don't need to go into that one for twenty years literally. They just leave them because she's like well. I mean my kids live there. They don't live there anymore. And now they have weird like old posters and shit on the wall make sense but still crazy like suck time bizarre it. It is like a vault of yeah anyway so that was a trip and we definitely took some photos and videos for beach sandy for a sibling. Don't don't tell my aunts and uncles are gonna kill me yeah and so that was interesting and we went to austria where i had the second wedding which was really fun. Bizarre to lisa came which was really fun. We only got stranded on one mountain in the sleet so that was good. Should i ask about that. We went on my dad's like we're taking a steam engine to lunch. I'm like okay so i just did it already. Not an american like okay sure. Why not little did i know this steam engine was ninety minutes long and be once we got the top we apparently had to hike for twenty minutes and we're in shorts and t shirts because it's ninety degrees agrees apparently once he gets the top of fucking mountain. It's no longer ninety degrees which somebody could have told me. Maybe i don't know maybe it's fine. It was really fun and beautiful but also so then he just started pouring and sleeping and it was insane when we got to the lunch thing and we were like just sopping wet. We all throw she's away. Lisa was like sorry where am i what's happening and we were like trapped on this landed in austria and now i'm in the mountains without my shoes stranded on a train i don't know and so then we all all had to buy these sweatshirts 'cause we were fucking freezing in our clothes and they said so the train called the schneeberger bond and it just your brother everywhere. Did i heart the schneeberger born and we were like fuck this so the vile these shows about how much we love this train and we all wore them hated. It was like this is such a anyway. It was fine that it was really that was the only kind of problematic afternoon and that was only the second time i cried and then the austrian wedding itself was was really cool is that this castle and my dad and my uncle did a really good job with it. <hes> we're at this castle and then this van pulls through the little gates and all these people come out and they're they're wearing like nights outfits in like trumpets and i'm like what in the world and so then they start serenading us and they're playing on the austrian music and and then there's like this like clinking noise and my uncle walks up and he's wearing a helmet and like a full versus the helmet i have been wanting to know about these screw this full full night's outfit. There's a photo of my uncle and my my dad just like rolling his eyes like he clearly didn't sign off on this part of the party and my uncle walks out. He starts giving meanest long speech. Oh by the way he's holding crossbow and so he's so he's giving this long speech. He's like is traditional austrian. Whatever we're all like oh my god what's happening. We're all dressed up drinking pink champagne and he's standing there like in the rain with a crossbow nice and then he goes so this is an honor of the bride traditionally what she would do is like shoot a gun and i'm like okay he pulls out this like cannon gun thing he's a little baby cannon a little cannon and he puts a gun powder in it and we're like oh god oh god oh god he's literally going to shoot listening any fucking shot the cannon off like a gun into the air and we were like screen it was so loud everyone's screamed and like it was very startling and then he's like isn't blaze supposed to do that technically forgoing by tradition like doesn't the husband letter. Just shoot a gun. That's american tradition you confusing the weird uncle australia. I have no idea because he was just trying to go on and on an english and we were all like we literally and lisa is again like what is happening then. Why am i here and she really came just so she could revive her comedy. Yeah exactly says she retired really was waiting for a moment to just take a whole weekend and get new. Material has plenty of it now. She's actually going to be back on for a couple of months just talking about you. Oh my god yeah. I deserve it. So everything you said in the last it's ten minutes sounds like an acid trip. It felt like one too. It sounds kind of like a fairytale happy like kind of a nightmare right. Fantasia spiraled emotional void yeah. Unfortunately there was no soundtrack except except your internal scraped internal attornal screams the weasels clanking on the my uncle's helmet i mean there are a lot of great noises just the sound of the canon someone got me. Oh my god some they gave some people gave me wedding gifts and i was like <hes> thanks like. I didn't actually think this was like for my it wasn't like really but the wedding was like an excuse forever right and my uncle to like show off his cannon crisscross bro bo cannons is a wild picture and so my somebody gave me a a set of bottles in there she for from schieffer winery it has my name on the bottles and i was so excited and then the woman's like it's too bad you change your name and i was like oh no. I didn't treat her name. She goes. You're allowed to do that and i was like until i was like yeah and she goes. Oh your poor future children. They're going to be so confused and i'm like poor. Future children like i've had a different name than my parents my whole goddamn life so so right anyway listen. If my mom can have four names i can figure it out just five and pick among god anyway so it was fine. My grandma irma has really been alzheimer's too which was like really sad. Isn't it bizarre riley side. When i last saw my grandma she has alzheimer's and i never really come. I'm like face to face with someone yeah severe. It's pretty wild. It is like really and it's i remember the last time i saw her. She didn't know me but she knew my dad and now she doesn't. I don't know anybody anymore. It's just really hard <hes> so yeah but it was good in the house was nice. My dad had it renovated and all my cousins gave me this really cool poster where everybody but he was holding a different letter and in germany said like congratulations and was supposed to be my grandma was holding like an oh wheelchair and uncle wally and get like a head like the alabama a super cute anyway. Oh so that was my long rant about everything thank you for listening sounds like its own true crime in the making making there were a couple of moments like this isn't gonna end well lisa. I've never getting back to the states completely and they're definitely moments where people i barely knew were like. Are you going to say this on. Your podcast. Knows like yeah probably tune in if i don't there's a problem anyway. It was a trip. I didn't really see any goes. I don't think think i heard a lot of noises but then my mom's like those are the weasels so i was like all right. Just the ghosts of lambs past. I literally didn't sleep in sleep that night because we were in this like so. There's like separate apartment meant like room where it's all pink listen i don't know and has its own bathroom and stuff and my grandma was like don't use the sink and we were like okay. I'm not gonna ask questions but so we have this back room and i was so freaked out all night did not sleep a wink and then all these weasels running around on me ceiling it was it was bizarre. Dude and there's a there's a potato man they called matteo man and he like you're doing a lot of not explaining and just dating things and i'm supposed to take it as fact i've have been put away somewhere and then i come back. Don't you understand you sound like you lived in like a closed community and the new normal like oh yeah the weasels the potato man and all the land. There's also gravitate who steal she kept hearing someone creeping around the house all night and then my big emerge grow before oh well yeah so my mom was saying there. It turns out some some neighbor fucking gravel. I thought this was a story from forever and this was very <unk> happening. Yes it was his birthday so well. I don't know i do anymore with all this number vision. I'm very i'm throwing it in your voice over. Come with questions that i don't think i don't. I don't even know if i won. The is really went therapy today and she's like. It seems like you haven't processed anything. That happened on the trip and i was like i did that intentionally. If i had processed anything that was going on. I don't think i would have survived. Come back certainly now. Everyone else gets to hear me rant and rave about it but well sorry about the long intro. God really did a member on you giving you that kind of life an and then this kind of audience and just not a good making so many people have to experience that to get tornado coming together and evil trick. Really evil is the right word. I love it like my family and my mom's family they're crazy my dad's pretty crazy and then both of them. My mom and dad are the only only one from their families that moved to the states. I'm like what are the fucking odds that these two people meet. Each other in the united states is smell crazy yeah. They're like oh. You escaped it too <music> but let's let's create our crazy yeah. Let's bring some more into the world fun fact somehow i can relate to all of this because while you were gone i decided did i do. I mean no surprise at this point but in the middle of the night i make really bold decisions that is true so i got a very expensive account to the ancestry dot com and when the nanograms sit on my ancestry eight tell me everything so i'm actually like i think i found like my little. I <unk>. I regularly get hobbies round like this is going to be my thing and then i never touch it again motivation from spending so much money and also like it's my family eating i actually we really can't go a anymore without adding and trying to figure it out to my mom. She's a genealogist okay. Yes she another thing. I want ask more well well. No it isn't that interesting but that's what she does for people like she helps them find like though yeah. I definitely want dr interesting so i'm very proud of the i'm just going to say it. This is not a direct at all relative to me. This is through like a marriage through marriage through marriage share but very distant. I was able to find someone that somehow in some way related to me all the way back to fourteen eighty. Who's very cool. You're my castle was built that now we have something in common did not know about. I took a picture of the fourteen etienne's like ends. Mine is gonna literally true. I mean the fact that i i have a relative from fourteen eighty. I literally had to happen for me to be seen. That's really crazy but so yeah you're my uncle's weapon was from the fifteenth eighteenth century his cannon to contribute to know. I wonder if your relative had one of those. Maybe it was the same one actually alford's so-called that that's so long ago yeah yeah so i i. I'm really trying to get as extensive as possible so we got along episode ahead of us so i'm going to try to keep the short but we do have a family member. One one thing that was really interesting to me is i've never known anything about my great grandpa. He was apparently a really like shitty person on which side on so my dad's ads dad's dead okay apparently he was just garbage person. I've asked my grandpa a million times really tell me anything about his childhood and he just refuses to so i've known any i've never evernote anything past his name sure and so the first time i got a high instantly because my big thing was like i wanna fuck it and figure grew out anything about this person and i ended up finding out his dad's name and his dad's name and like i learned everything about the two of them the night night. I got the account and i started crying. No i didn't know like my ancestry could be so powerful. It's crazy. I've wanted to know anything or for so long that when i just what did you find out i just that my great great great grandpa's name was edward and i started bugging grown but that's like so connected to your it yourself. I also found out i'm french. I my why you keep saying what the fuck do you see. You say now like all the time every time christine. I've seen says something. That's not surprising ironically. Go kill supreme. Is this because you learned your friend. I think might be but so i've always known on my dad's side well as far or as i was told we came here from the german and the irish part came here during the potato famine right. I found out that only one of my. I'm like so much so much less irish than i thought i was really but i did find out that before me the fifth generation to live here in every single person before me including my parents were all born in new new york. I like migrated and then state yeah everyone so everyone on both sides i found i found the ancestors on my dad's side and my mom's side all came to america and they all came to new york. I thought oh are you ready for the coolest part. No tell me okay. One of my great. Grandma's yeah came here on the queen mary no yes yes. Yes you kidding waiting waiting to tell you that for so long forgotten by god dude holy crap is there's another nanograms. I'm sweating again. I'm sweating here in stock because there's nobody seen here that is so cool super cool like to do they go to new york yeah. Oh my begins mirrored from that one came on the same boat as your yet great-grandma for halloween events our souls aligned for fake cobwebs and but no so i i found out that i truly am i in my immediate line to be born out of new york yeah. I was born new jersey so you broke the cheese. Everyone's been born in either queens or brooklyn fascinating. What was it what were their jobs. I mean i'm sorry i'm gonna ask a million question later too but did they found some really cool on some. Some of them were security guards for a for a meat factory stopping. Some of them sold random items on was like a watch salesman. I mean it was super cool. Wow that is so cool dude and there's an ancestor of mine who i have been in touch with before who's been obsessed with our ancestry and has spent at least hours a day everyday for the last twenty years but were only through one family member so he only knows so much about my line fascinates me but my goal is to make my tree as extensive incident possible aaron if someone's not directly related to me because through ancestry the more connections you make the more you can link to other people so it's like if i added one random person. Even if it's my cousin's ex wife's ex husband or something at least i'll see how i'm connected to other people. This is so interesting long intro so cool anyway. I love that stuff. I love that stuff so much. We'll talk about it because i want to know a lot more to but oh my god it's so fascinating. 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I was literally a glint a gleam in earlier when they came in and they're like i'm excited about my story is like an an aura about you. I tried so hard to make this smaller but i just there's so many things it would be. I just tried to mentioned as much just based on his intro like we can't. I need to like just tell me all the things okay and i will say i use just about every source i could find. The only thing that i didn't touch is is there is an episode of last box on the left that i know is amazing and just didn't have time to listen to ya. I bet it's great so if you aren't sure you've listened to it. She's a big okay. I always say el portal in my head so that's wrong. Okay good to know good to know so. I use basically every source except that episode but after we leave today i'm probably going to listen to it. So what do you mean every source every source. They go find this documentaries. I anything anything i could find. I tried to mention in this except that podcast. So how do i just break into okay. I'm tony close my computer in buffalo yeah buckle up and and also i said it before and someone really excited about it on twitter if you happen to be on a road trip and we're hoping for a long episode congratulations oh oh here we go if you were hoping you could just blaze through this on your way to work no if you're hoping you would learn less about our families and their psychosis if you're still here it's still it gets longer so i actually this was recommended to me. I feel like something must have recently just happened because three or four people tweeted the semi so you have gone heard so i am going to cover the story of the bridgewater triangle. What's that sounds so familiar so it's in the chew says this. It's knows it eaves dancing so i think she knows where you're just really supportive. <hes> she is that too. I guess so the bridgewater triangle. Let's just say it's fucking banana. I've seen this too. I've seen tweets but like people tweeting about this at you too yeah and and they've been heard wow so. I'm just going to dive right in because we have a lot of this is so you're really teaching me from the beginning homey. Your brain's gonna explode. I'm telling you i did so much. Joins us my head hurt. I'm glad that we scheduled out like time to spend after this because i think we're gonna need like unpacking party after this. We already decided halloween stuff. Already texted alison said i'm going to be home late so like don't even stay up. I'm gonna get weird christine's. Yes correct. It's already started so okay. Let's just let's just do it so bridgewater. Triangle it is one of the world's most diverse and concentrated areas of paranormal paranormal hotspots. What how we never heard of this. It's a messages doesn't southeast massachusetts. It's two hundred square miles and is it is the site of abnormally frequent and unexplained phenomena including u._f._o.'s ghostly encounters crypt ids and colt actually not just as the most barebones version name if you you just sprinkle in some samples fun fact there's allegedly another place like this in vermont called the bennington triangle but we're not gonna get into that tonight. That's for another time. If it's a big enough story okay just node exists so if you were to look at a map of southeast massachusetts the points of the triangle aren't abington rehoboth birth and freetown okay just for people who know what those towns are not me not me anymore but fun fact it has been nicknamed new england's mysteries zone the fun dad come up with that very bad names like the mysteries zone so the triangle borders were originally made in the nineteen seventies by crypto zoologist named lauren coleman who is pretty big. Is it lorne or lauren low ren. Oh okay l. o. R. in coleman got specific suspicious. Piece specifically talked about this book mystery america and eighties. He's probably written other books i imagined but that book mentioned a lot and all my research and so if you'd like to read it i think i suggested it sounds really juicy. He has i think i said i think i recommend read from the excerpts. I've found it looks like a yeah. He has been quoted saying. I don't believe in the bridgewater triangle i accept it as fact we go okay and there's another quote quote from <hes> i was there was a documentary watch which i'm gonna mention later i highly suggest called the bridgewater triangle. You watch it for free on prime while i will do that and the quote is for some reason we keep talking about this region. It's almost triangle and we always get back to it so basically it's this massive supernatural magnet. All these weird things happen to be in this weird triangle region. I didn't write the notes but it's still fresh in my head loren coleman so he's the the guy who basically quote created the triangular he moved to the area and realize it was a bunch of weird stuff going on in the bridgewater area massachusetts and so bridgewater the county lines show that there's bridgewater west bridgewater east bridgewater a said he was like okay. There's already a pattern of there being like maybe a triangle got right because there's already all this weird stuff happening and all these little spots where it all triangulate s- and so he just kind of started broadening and seeing all the reports coming in and he was like oh there's a fucking triangle of stuff going on here okay so why is it so super naturally magnetic so a lot of people think that these that the land lies on vortex yes s. People have also said that the land this is very like read it cool like it sounds like something i wanna research later cool read it cool not on the land may be quote on thin spot between reality. I love that that's the thing that the irish believe in within places yeah are. They think that the two worlds convert much closer than in other places. It's fast. That's fascinating like soul ties thin place. I think seoul ties are involved in that. Were like soul. Ties are like the people that you just fucking connect with immediately and it's like year d'appel angers of sorts in the place next ex steel apparent in a world where this is fact the theory. Is that you you meet your soul ties next through your thin places where you're close in the world and if you met someone where you're like we're fucking bonded wherever you were when you guys met in had that instinct connection farmer bob. There's a thin toppling anger contract or somewhere else so okay so a lot of people think it could be something mystical like that. The most common theme is that it's actually a native curse that causes all of this okay leads us americans to blame. You'll you'll land and then have just like be like well. The native americans did it well. What the fuck you're not supposed to be here anyway. So some things that the land could actually have its own spirit it to a lot of cool apparently and certain areas like the jungle is supposed to have its own spirit and okay big areas are supposed to have their own energy so they think that maybe this plan has its own energy. Some people in recent years have also argued that it's not actually a triangle but it was a triangle in the seventies based on the only reports that they had back then <hes> <music> but as awareness and reports continue the triangle starts stretching okay and so it's actually becoming a bigger land than they actually becoming a rambus actually becoming oh god help me so there have been spots where they're like yeah so this land it does fit in the triangle but there's never reports here you're so why is that in the triangle and as starting to stretch your real at they're realizing that it's a little more long wow a lot of people have also called it a tentacle where it's like not actually shape at all all but it just kind of spiraling ally see almost like spreads out kind i started to spread quickly as ten years ago people to know what this triangle was and as they're becoming aware of it they're telling their stories and it's just becoming more and more hotspots outside of the triangle too so it's going to be a bigger spot so most of the trying like most of the triangle the triangle happens to be if you're looking at the triangle the bottom right part of it is near the freetown town fall river state forest which is the state forest between freetown and fall river okay he couldn't figure that out and it's also known as the cursed i forest oh dear because this forest falls right directly into one of the corners one of the three corners and in this forest i have been various accounts of death cult activity and there are various eerie landmarks so we're gonna do okay. I do need some water. Those news news a call. Hold on oh yeah crack open a cold one. I keep thinking taking beer but it's literally as root beer. You're not wrong but it looks like a beer bottle and so it keeps throwing me off big time. I'm like i finally did it. Here's the thing i went to bed mode bring christian. We're seeing even wine so i wanted to get myself something and i wanted cheer wine but they were out and then i went to my second goto which is cream soda and they were out of that. I'm done ripper. Damn mel mel letting 'em down so erie landmarks right back to that so the epicenter of the triangle. Let's focus on that because that's really komo. Shit is coming out of is a swamp. Oh yes. Let's let's go there okay. It was used by the wp dog tribe. It is about five thousand lakers. It is the largest freshwater swamp in massachusetts and one of the largest swamps in all of the northeast human artifacts here have dated back to nine thousand years ago. Oh oh my god it was both of our findings and castles out of the year negative seventh yeah. Yes i feel like i m my head so somehow my brain explodes less to this but starting back at the your three hundred eighty through colonial times from three hundred colonial times the natives in the area use the swamp for food and also for sacred burial grounds okay <unk> going oh so the dogs actually they worshipped and feared the swamp the same time because they believed that hock amok which was the deity of death and disease lived in the swamp. Wow okay so they were. They avoided the swamp completely after dark because they thought that was where the like god pretty smart to yell a lot of them. Were even afraid to hunt or fish there during the day but so the name the swamp after hawks oh talk swamp to the natives translated to place for spirits dwell who but colonial settlers aka american white male castles they called it the devil's swamp okay they heard that the god of death so that's not a name yet so the seventeenth century rolls around and during king philip's war aka the first indian war which i don't know if we would call it whatever you know yeah according to historically speaking taking the first indian war also king philip's war the swamp was also used as a fortress against colonial settlers. Oh interesting so this threw me off until i actually started trying to pay attention. King philip is actually one of the natives. It was his americanized english name really he listen. You also goes by chief. Meta comet okay. I also saw some books that are books. I've read books and so i was about to choke on on my water librarian some articles. He was called chief medicom instead of comments okay. I don't know the difference but i call them chief tacoma okay. He's also king philip. He led led his tribe to rebel against colonial settlers. He was killed old and his head was actually put on a pike. In old days. Leah put the head on a spear and serve as a warning to others sure so his head was put on a pike in plymouth colony johny which was the era that was what it was called at the time and it sat there for twenty years as oh my god and warning to the news shitty white people so god will come into your swamp right so then king so king philip's war to this day is the bloodiest war per capita in in u._s. History wait sorry. What are you serious per-capita the bloodiest war in our history while so it was just a full massacre percent of all of the new englanders first population died holy crap only five hundred colin colonial settlers died and three thousand artists womp inaugu <unk> <hes> men women and children including innocent ones were all killed and sold into slavery how good super also during the war so this is another thing that i don't want to skip over but i also don't know a lot about so excuse my ignorance but the tribe had something called a warm palm belt sort which apparently it was like etchings and beads that they wrote out basically their tribes history cool and it represented like the unity of five tribes all being there for each other it was it was a really revered object store and during this war the belts was lost slash stolen and that further pissed off the tribes and basically when the chiefs surrendered he he was beheaded. The land was stolen. The belt was stolen and the swamp was deemed worthless and they tried to drain it for farmland so just like people being terrible the natives curse the land as they should and they basically said until the land the land will not go back to normal until it is back to its rightful owners. Absolutely it's curse for fucking melon. They already believe that the swamp was had like a yeah. It was already the ranger is president. God of death was there and then american can quote americans tried to drain the tried to come in and drain the swamp piss off basically the double the so here's a quote from the documentary commentary the best evidence that there's something very unusual happening in this area is the consistent constant reports from people in the swamp okay so well since then i've just mentioned the forest and i mentioned the swamp. Another eerie landmark that we will be talking about is called the dighton rock which is a forty tonne-bolder. Whoa it was originally across cross from one of the burial grounds on the river and the nineteen fifties it was removed from the river and placed on shore and museum was built near it because this rock is pretty fucking bananas on one side of the dighton rock are ancient carvings inscriptions and hieroglyph hieroglyphics that archaeologists to this day cannot disciple now now we're talking miss their mysterious drawings of people animals symbols geometric shapes and cryptic writing from multiple time periods and multiple cultures. Yes holy holy crap holy crap so it seems to be. I like this quote a lot. It seems to be a quote mishmash of cultures yes because there are paleolithic paintings roman. I'm in letters. Oh my god etchings all the way up to the most recent thing that had been carbon to this which was a signature in the nineteen twenties from a guy named jesse <hes> uh-huh damn it goes from like like the caveman all the way to jesse jesse and then it stops. It stops just stops at jesse always. Does it always talking what is so the belief in the seventeen hundreds was that this came from that all these carvings from phoenicians the also came from the phoenicians actually carved served images from their past present and future to warn us. Oh <hes> other arguments since then have been they were native american's vikings portuguese explorers. They actually think it could also been several explorers that were trying to write in a language. They didn't know so might be like broken language inch of what culture they were trying to assimilate with share and my favorite is another argument is just colonial graffiti. That's really. I can't even imagine what colonial graffiti is is but i like to think like colonial people trying to like sex or something like god a dick pic in the colonial. You're like so and so is a witch which right exactly so there are. There's one quote from sixteen ninety which breaks my brain from reverend cotton mather author. Oh yeah i know that guy so he talked about the rock and he this is a quote from him. Trying to describe the rocked other people among the other curiosities. The aussies of new england one is that of a mighty rock. There are very deep engravings. No man alive knows how or when the lines filled with strange characters which would suggest odd thoughts that they were here before us how odd that people were here before that before human civilization before before for us. Oh dear god okay wow. I thought they meant like before. The settlers like wow novel so crazy then there's also profile rock slash. Apparently it's called joshua's mountains on times. It's a fifty foot high rock that has striking likeness to a human face which i can confirm because i saw pictures of it looks like fucking human face. It said to be chief. Massive swat who is chief medicom slash king phillip's dad. Oh okay interesting. That's cool. It was sacred to the tribe. It was apparently where the belt was stolen away so there is is a lot of paranormal reports there of glowing lights voices in an apparition on the rock of someone with crossed legs outstretched arms as if meditating oh wow okay in the documentary. This fucking got me so in the documentary. There's someone talking about like oh. The ghosts profile rock and trying to talk about the history three of the belt being stolen there and how all of this happened like yeah they saw our land but once they stole our belts like that was fucking cursed this land and and this expert was saying this quote things in the forest won't be right until the womp belt is returned and as he said that all of the equipment meant that was filming him in the documentary shuts off and then like flashes on by itself and then they tell the interviewer they were saying like just you know when you said that all of a sudden like our lights and audio all out and so he starts laughing uncomfortably and goes oh shit well. Just you know we hear your message. If i could return it i would and all the lights shut off again. I have chills. Stay off dude so like you just see him. Sitting in the dark. You can say you can hear like the whole crew like like doing that weird laugh or they're like. They're like this is great for the movie but exactly so that fucking got me and also everywhere else besides. Is that documentary no. Where did that get mentioned so. I'm glad i watch a sacremento because i wouldn't have known that about the belt that like that whole experience the interviewer talking would that be like reacting or intelligently responding didn't get mentioned anywhere so really yeah. It's mentioned now because serves a mention so the last landmark mention his solitude stone. Oh that sounds scary sometimes called suicide stone. I thought maybe that's what was happening. It's in west bridgewater her next to abridge by the water sure that's why the town's called bridgewater no and the stone itself is actually found in nineteen sixteen by accident because there was a missing person that people people were searching for and they found her dead body by the stone fuck so this stone it had been hidden for one hundred years under moss and overgrowth but when they took everything off of it it is a perfectly clean slab with a hundred with a one hundred fifty year inscription carved into it. It's like super aereo especially watching it on the documentary because there were like we would have never known about this in this area. That's allegedly really creepy. Yeah we would have never known unless a dead body led us to it. What's the inscription so it was. Maybe they don't really know who wrote it but their guests is that it was written by reverend timothy otis payne who is part part of the new church of jerusalem and apparently the neutra jerusalem was the sect whose philosophies allegedly inspired freemasonry whoa so the inscription itself off says it's kind of like a poem all ye who in future days walk by knuckle tested stream love not him who harmed his lay cheerful careful to the partying beam but the beauty that he would in this quiet solitude that means oh god but it sounds creepy and spooky uh-huh someone rather to me at night in a haunted ass region of massachusetts. I'd be scared. I'm gonna read. That's you donate good so that's all the landmarks. Now we're going to get in to u._b. Crime area of this like writing your coat tails for a second but there come with me so let's talk about colds. I was waiting for this so <hes> <hes> let's start with animal mutilations now actually no <hes> so the police have been called a multiple times to investigate especially in the late nineteen ninety s there was a series of animal mutilations on cattle addle. There is a cow that was found butchered in the woods and then only a year later a group of a dozen cavs were found mutilated with their blood drained from them completely completely drained trails in the woods have been found with bloodstains and oddly arranged body parts of animals for fox sick and even in the eighties pet cemeteries were close. There's an area because so many graves were being exhumed. No because people were stealing previous pets body parts you imagine and drinking from their skulls. What is the matter with people. Apparently there was a group of teenagers who got caught. They were asked. What the fuck are you doing. You're literally the documentary showing images of the cemetery and there's like <unk> a gravestone flick mittens and stop it like a horrific her infant one of the kids they asked. Why are you doing this and he was like oh. I thought it'd be more powerful. If i drank from its skull what on earth is wrong with your teens so that leads into suggesting that there was a an influx in the seventies eighties all the way into the ninety s of more and more cult activity in the area and it was essentially an initiation process into these colts that is the theory that leaves the animal dan and do anything to leave them alone. Allegedly your initiation as you dig up a body do something with its body drink something from its body and then you are part of the cult sure <music> so also. There's a local hospital nearby end. Here's another creepy part. There's actually not next not next to the hospice. There's a local hospital comma. There's also an actual underground bunker in the forest that has been used for ritual. There's a hospital in the area that was used for rituals and like the sixties and seventies his and in the eighties and nineties there was underground bunker in the forest and i don't like that but this documentary actually found the the location to that in the eighties one guy actually one guy reported this and then in the documentary they were able to get in contact with other people who also experiences but multiple witnesses reported trespassers in the eighties walking through through the woods at night and black robe now one-time the police found a start looking shack one guy said like hey there's a bunch of people breaking into my shack and they're like in black robes jobs not again the police found a large pentagram on the ground and carefully place stones <hes> they took them for evidence and when the authorities came back for a follow up the next day a new pentagram and stones have been put back precisely were the last ones were oh god this could potentially be connected to the quote fall river cult killings which were happening during the same period which i know nothing about so by all means. Please handle that. I've heard of it but i don't know anything about it and sadness and cultists are said to favour this location one because it's remote vote in hidden too because sense it has such a notoriety for dark energy that you can tap into its power. It's a thin place. It's a thin place god. That's so spooky dude. I need to remember that fall river. Cult killings also sense. The force is so close to the road not only are cultists taking making making use of this area but so are murderers because people to dump bodies and then take off fantastic talk about that. Let's talk. Let's do it. I'm gonna do my best to not step on your toes and keep this quick. No tell me everything so the most famous murder that happened in these woods was in nineteen seventy eight with a girl <hes> a murder victim from name mary lou arruda she went missing and her body was found two months later her body had been beaten and tied to a tree in the standing position while still alive now known unknowns so when she passed out from the pain her own body weight forced her neck into the rope and she died of a all right <hes> her killer was found in sentenced for life fun fact i mean good <hes> there's also something called the ice shack murders which is happening. They call it the shock because apparently the building was originally originally built in the forties for ice logging share so however that building ended up being used for illegal activities especially used by pimp pimp. I don't know that's right. We're anymore. I think it is we looked it up. Remember pimp slash cult leader carl drew who liked to kill sex workers. They're fantastic. He apparently used used his colt leadership to control sex workers and threatened them with human sacrifices. They didn't do their part. It's like next level. Shit like even all killiadts out sacrifice see to the next level and it's nineteen seventy-nine. He killed to sex workers one name donna and then a couple of weeks later when name barbara the the cops knew something was up and they went undercover knowing the coal no and then saw the rituals happening and they're like absolutely someone fucking died here. Someone's responsible for these deaths and one of the sex workers named karen ended up admitting to them that carl and his like you know how with nexium there was the guy and then the girl from smallville was like his assistant also in the cult like the right hand man who are right hand sex worker is basically this was a cult of sex workers workers all led by brainwashed into this shirt so i'm not saying sex workers or cultists. That has not what i'm saying. No there's a ring of people who all happen. The b. insects work right well. It seems like that was part of his whole spiel. It sounds like he's threatening them into sex work. I don't think any of them actually were volunteering original sure okay <hes> <hes> from what i've seen i don't know any better. Please don't sue me so soleil called my lawyer. So who's my lawyer uh-huh so a sex worker named karen admitted to them that carl and his right hand woman slash sex worker named robin assisted said in helping him kill on morad okay. Oh god so cairn was supposed to meet up with the cops later to have a follow up interview and she never showed known <hes> basically here's what happened the cops found skull fragments and some clothing living in the forest of the first two murders and karen ended up this is what i got from one article and i'm rolling with it because it sounds horrific and i wanna make sure the delake i put in all the information so karen told cops later carlin robin did it. This is what happened to them because the cops like we only found skull fragments and clothing. We know something happened but we don't know what karen was like. This is what fucking happen. Apparently this is the worst thing that's ever happened in my life. Her fingernails were ripped out while she was alive. So was her hair. Sorry i feel like before says so. Karen was supposed to come in for a follow up interview and this is what happened to her right okay. Yeah i feel like i make things confusing. Got you so the fingernail thing. We're we've passed. Ah spraying does not enjoy also got beaten over the head with stones. Carl broke her neck. Oh my god then cut off her head head my god and then he along with the other cult members kicked it around for awhile what removed her fingers and then a large experts carved into to her chest holy crap allegedly okay. Only one article said that but if that is what happened people not what what happened than whoever wrote this article fucked up someone had even worse idea yeah so let's talk about that underground bunker. Let us so the location mike had been lost because so many urban legends were scattered that people had created their own locations for her plus because there are so many abandoned ranger stations and cabins in these woods and why is everyone was like oh. That's the one that's the one that's the word so eventually just through the grapevine. People couldn't find it. Yeah this documentary ended finding the location. They did not release it but they say they found it. They had people who they got the information from them there and talk about what they had seen when they were teenagers majors in exploring and found stuff apparently in this bunker. There was a massive pentagram on the ground. There were dolls everywhere with their heads cut. Oh there was a little chair for a toddler. No no no no and there were two kats next to a firepit and the walls had satanic graffiti so this opens ideas for in the ingesting cults there was also child abuse and staged happening because it looked like it was a prison software child before for a ritual there were also several murders in the forest the last three that we know of were in one thousand nine hundred seven when a homeless man was mistaken in front undercover cop and killed god and in two thousand one two men were killed with several gunshot wounds on the path in the woods re as of recently in twenty sixteen sixteen they also found wires stretched across trees on the trails no to catch off road bike riders across the neck into capital kills you so that was those were planted only three years ago when those woods usually one of my biggest fears because when i was younger that happened i think in like france or germany or somewhere there was a guy who did that and killed a bunch of people people who are just families out on a bike ride in like it's really freaking scary. That's a real thing three years ago at least many locations in the triangle don't just have crime we're done with their murder and the really horrific stuff now until my story until your story they don't just have crime but they are also known for urban legends and grossly activities so let's let's do that. Let's go into that. Let's go right in so the biggest legend in these woods and even experts say like we agree see that a lot of weird shit is going on but this one is probably a legend that has been spread amongst teenagers in the area probably likely the biggest least likely thing to have happened in these woods. Sadly is a red headed hitchhiker off of route forty four in rehoboth apparently late at night. He'll show up on the roadside. He will mess with if your radio signals which could just be interference because you're in the woods sure apparently if you have three people sitting in the car he will just appear in the fourth seat. Forget forget it. Forget it. He'll disappear from the road and suddenly enter your car and then disappear once you've seen him in your ramiro and then crashed into a guardrail just just scream hallway to help if you pull up to the city limit line apparently if you stop the car honk three times and turn your lights on hill appear in front of of your car and there's another urban legend in freetown that there is a all of this one that seems to have a little more gravity to it apparently in freetown there is a phantom truck driver that many people like swear that there's a phantom truck driver that drives across copper papa cut copy cut road he aggressively drives and honks his horn you and runs you off the road okay folly until he runs you off the road and then when you swerve often try to look at the car it's gone oh god and not because it's like it's in a sunset on. There's another report that someone looked looked. This one is off the road but this is a very creepy ghost story that someone reported someone looked in an old window and saw a small black thing that looked like a little person ersan hanging on a wall oh what and then disintegrated into mist and flew towards him while he heard a quote weird screeching pig league like noise okay that's it then there are reports of hearing voices near the swamp and sounds of people walking through it even even though it's too thick so ideally is nobody in the swamp. You hear someone waiting around in their thank you nearby is also and also in the in the region region is palmer river burial ground here. Some of the things people have experienced in this cemetery. There's a vaporous cloud that moves about on its own an aluminum itself so even if it's pitch blackout it's not like it yeah. It's not like you're seeing it because there's a streetlight somewhere else. It's going within itself. Oh great there's also a story of a little kid sitting in a costume on a brick wall. He gets up and runs away when you see him and everyone reports that his arms arms and legs look like they're broken because his limbs move differently when he runs. He doesn't look like he's in pain. His limbs just look weird cost. You know he's in a costume sweet baby but apparently before you say sweet. Baby people think that he is a sinister okay. I don't like i just regret it. Everything the thing that i said i sometimes look you in the eyes and ask you to never leave and stay play with them. Okay and think about this which is which has brought me out the inflatable to like you <hes> <hes> the seriously like the thought like maybe maybe it's something trying to impersonate a child that it can't quite get it right and that's why the even thought of that so the first thing because when i said oh poor thing and then you put it might be impersonating. I don't don't like it. I hadn't even thought of that like it's not getting totally exactly like there's something off about it. Okay forget black children. We're something kind of like you're like. There's something that you didn't catch up on an apple or something and also the fact that they don't have pupils but yellow so that there is a quote woman and white who has been seen hovering around the gravestones. There's a man seen in dark clothing that people have just named randomly from of <unk> sure he's apparently in solid solid human forms of people think he's a real person. I <hes> like you can't see through him how he wears nineteenth century tire but he has been known to when you do see him. He's punching the ground angrily and crying. Oh my god there's also a colonial soldier that walks along the tombstones and touches them before he fades away and super duper creepy. There is a v._p. Of a woman that i've listened to and can can confirm it was the creepiest first thing on earth a woman singing as if she's dancing like lalla fee you can hear it so clearly and there was a whole team around around there were like there was no ambient sound. There's no reason for that to be there. Oh no thanks. What do you okay. Are there more on a on a separate investigation gatien. There was in the same place. Someone else also got an v._p. Of a woman singing tavern songs they think it's the same person she is now known as the singing lady palmer fun and she sent you gotta kill the time you gotta do something <hes>. Do you think it's probably don't question. Do you think that the spirits like can see each other other like. Do you think they like to think so because if just walked because you know how they're different types of spirits like or haunting ones just kind of an image. What's it called residuals intelligent right so i wonder if those interact at all if those are totally separate i wonder if all the intelligent conceits other but imagine if you're a ghost and you can't see other goes to die three hundred years before you like what if you're always haunted by ghosts that didn't make better like older than you you how because there will be a lot of ghosts if our imagine going to a graveyard with a bunch of people and like different different like different times clothing guy and then the kid in a costume and then i mean imagine how chaotic a conversation between someone from like the fourteen hundreds and today i would be they'd be like no man like people can marry and then what's a gay person and then this latest thing in the whole time and you're like please that we're china conversation around gay rights in the cemetery. I wrap my brain around any of this anyway listen. If i go first i'll let you i know via something. I haven't decided yet you burp in my ear so palmer river is still the burial ground and i'm talking about people have also seen lights and phantom fires. Apparently there's also a sad man dressed in black walking around and then he just disappears like sad goes no those ones i feel the most wrestling apparently the state hospital that happens to be in the triangle <unk> called the taunton state hospital <hes>. This is the hospital title where allegedly there were some cultish happening there visitors report feeling their shoulders and legs being touched and pulled there. Oh god apparently apparently in the area. This story is going to get your good so apparently in the area there used to be thirteen one room schoolhouses which by the way fascinating i would give anything to like see a one room in school. There was an old schoolhouse in austria. Where and nobody wanted to go in it with me. I would have wanted to sleep so pissed. I was like somebody in blaze was like forget about it. It's just something i have. I have no understanding of and it said like built. The new building was built in nineteen o nine or something so it's not that old but i was still like old enough that i can't relate to it yeah anyway. I think in a past life i totally was like the coolest kid in the one room schoolhouse definitely not coolest ten the madrid so there were thirteen school houses in the area. One of them still stands as a museum was was built in the eighteen forties. That's cool was used until the nineteen thirties and apparently people <hes> have reported voices general creepy feelings my favorite story of of this. Is that a woman wince to visit the area thinking maybe the museum was open. She looked in. She looked around. It looked like goes closed but the shutters were open so she went to go look for the window and she saw a school mom now in a whole class of children in the middle of a session so she she was like oh. That's a reenactment yeah they're doing. Oh my god. Am i got him. I got so she went to go inside but the door was locked in the building was seemingly close. All the lights were off etcetera excetera so she went to look back in the window and when she went to look back in the window the whole classroom was still there. All the kids were still there and the teacher was still there but staring at at her stared at her for a wayel. No let me in just like dose dare to her like i think in mike away like you can fuck in see me kind of staring holy shit and then her and all of the children faded away together and that makes me wonder back then if they saw something and they were like. Did you guys see that right person. You don't mean if cross pass somehow like wires crossing place ma'am yes. Oh god oh my god. That is so fucking creepy dude. Apparently there were also so this was in like the bridgewater area. They did a segment in the documentary about a lot of different huntings that happened in that area specifically not just the triangle but in the actual region of bridgewater yeah it just sounds like house after house after house as wild stories and they even had they showed a v._p. Those really cool that they there was an investigative team that was setting up for the night as they're talking. They clearly don't here but the <unk> e._d._p. Picked it up. It's not faint at all. They would have noticed if they fuck in hurt it. It's a full-blown gunshot. Go like holy right over over their conversation. There's talking like they didn't even recognize it wow and and the person was talking about like oh i just went into this person is room might have been that person's room and they were like get the fuck out on my place yeah yeah anyway. I thought that was cool. Apparently there's also a ghost named george at bridgewater state university who i didn't even get to read about but he was mentioned. There's an antique shop in the area that has like a man that just walks literally through the door every day because like this whole town is just haunted haunted my god so the specific things i want to talk about right now are the rock. The landmark huntings the ones that i brought about earlier. Yes probably so here's this shit. That's been going on those so profile. Oh file rock the one that looks like an obvious ace and the dad or the belt was stolen and when they were talking about the belt and all the equipment went out in the documentary. Yes yes so his profile rock people have seen native warriors dancing there. They've also heard native singing and shouting. Apparently there's a rock nearby called anton rock which is named after chief. Anton who's the one who surrendered himself to the colonists and allowed himself to die in order to end king philip's war. He was apparently the one that they stole the belt from. I'm great so the legend obviously says that native spirits haunt the area people have seen antoine himself they've seen him in a black black and white weird and he's see thrill but when you see him your eyes meet and you can like you know he can see you like there's a connection. It's not just seeing someone that he wants you to know he sees you back and then he just fades away. You have given me ever flakes the sixth time chills right now. This is just not ending well. It keeps going so i ah then there are spectral fires. Apparently people just randomly see and smell smoke my god they've also seen massive bonfires that worry them them about like the whole forces fucking fire that just disappeared apparently accidentally imagine like there have been stories like you see a fire you drive up to it and like like you see it across the water drive around the area and there's no fire there are no ashes no footprint no sign someone was there no smell of old fire uh-huh and then you drive back to the original place and from across the water and things like that holy shit some people have even taken pictures in the area and when there was nothing going on in the environment to have caused this in the picture when the pictures are developed. There's obvious bursts of smoke behind you. As if a a fire is starting who'll one guy was actually scared off in the area because he was by himself and heard a loud angry man shouting utah utah which apparently is al gone cohen for stand up and fight hope also so dilating. He didn't like no outgun and then he like he listen up later and found no thank you. That's what spooky yeah. I don't think he spoke on your at your someone did to be able to say that. Not not that is spooky so where dighton rock is the one with the creepy carvings share the mysterious hieroglyphics jesse's name on it jesse jesse's rock is what would you call it so when that rock was found archaeologist start looking around there in excavated the area so this not the actual rockets off but on the island that it was found on got her a it was near this place called grassy island and archaeologists to excavate grassy island which happened to be next to dine rock got they were digging up around grassy ireland which is a burial ground by the way great found ancient human remains and then there's this stuff called red okra which is like klay that just sediments <music> onto old bodies in the area apparently when they dug up the human remains as they sought for the first time the red okra covering the skeletons bubbled embroiled and then dissolved away what several like skeptical logic ling archaeologists educated scientists like like we saw this shit literally boil like any creepy mystical way never to be seen again in every picture that they took on that excavation could not be developed no yeah and by the way these people have done this before. It's not like yeah. This is the first time digging something so that actually inspired other people to be freaked out because there are like like people who don't believe the stuff that are saying that this is the be the ones like calming down yeah so there's also a quarry in the triangle called asset ledge which is also just known as the ledge ledge which is an alleged hotspot sadness colts play and around it is a weirdly large amount of abandoned cars what because a lot of people people drive up to look at the ledge and then out of nowhere have an instantaneous urgent unshakable desire to jump so a lot of cars abandon their holy unplanned so a lot of people think oh why won't i won't drive my car way and then they don't zillow oh frick they don't know if that's because of the the land being cursed or because there was some occult activity going on there that like share a spirit talks delivered whatever word for that like the urge that you feel when you're on a ledge to jump off. There's a really that isn't that the power factor something. Oh maybe that's i feel like we've talked about this. I think you're right. I think the the fact is when you're aware of how like i could kill you right exactly blake. I'm aware but that could kill me awareness of like i could jump off. This lead could like cutting vegetables. I could fucking sound myself in the stomach exactly like if i just fucking wanted to all would take is one decision yeah yeah so that's interesting. I only remember that because a friend who i'm not friends with anymore and not because of this we just fell out of touch but i remember we were driving on a winding road without a barrier one time and he was like you know if i just like sneezed and like turn the wheel like what. Where did you get me out tokens these. I don't think i ever car that person again yeah well. I don't blame you but god and then i remember him. Being that's the po- effect and i was like i will never forget this conversely. Yeah okay good so he's like okay so in the corey story is the ledge and a bunch of obama cars. Come place for suicides but people don't really plan on going there to jump at just happens they all report this is feeling of dread and desire to die and there's apparently a regular ghost. They're called the lady on the ledge who is seen in white jumping and when you go to try to help her or look from the side to see if she survives she vanishes in thin air jesus yet can you how scared trump tight in that must be the season when about to jump and you're like. I need to save prank. Ghosts like yeah. I thought was responsible for not saving damn. There's also a guy named john. Brightman brightman who's part of the new england paranormal research group who actually experienced this but survived in an giang pitas felted and left and he says he broke down he he was on top of the ledge because later on he had the realization that he could hear a spirit telling him jump or leave holy shit. Ya'll no no no no no so they think at that point. They really can't tell if it's like a tribe like a curse sure or it's an occult thing. A lot of people think it must be in a coal thing thing. They've set up some dark shit total seen you onto the other side. I can't and i don't want to blame the natives either that right and i imagine like the more people are just jumping off his legend alleged. Pride isn't help bring good judy. There's gonna be added like bad stuff. All the time. There are also reports phantom people standing ominously at atop the ledge staring at you god also jumping from the lodging vanishing before they hit the water came at them looking at you and then jumping in vanishing. Oh god yep he's looking at you. I've only got one more section guys. I promise it's coming to an end. The ledge is also famous as of nineteen seventy four for u._f._o. Fo sightings reported this time in nineteen seventy four this one. I might actually cover later so i don't want to give away too much of it. If i can get a big enough story out of it but apparently early nineteen seventy-four happened on this legend. It's an infamous u._f._o. Story because the person who reported it was governor ronald reagan no way he was flying over the ledge with an air force pilot and two security personnel and they all witnessed a strange following them which accelerated de accelerated go along gated itself and then sped up at hyper speed and flew away at a forty five degree angle what and that was it for him. He was about to god damn alien. He said at that for real. That's crazy. How do they know that. I saw my cover later but apparently ronald reagan's u._f._o. Cases like a big one yeah speaking of os. Let's get into it. There are many reports in the area of u._f._o.'s especially glowing balls of light. They are now most often seen floating over the dog track and raynham actually one guy in the documentary that i saw his name's derek and he saw this so often he got a camera just so he could film at one time. When it ever happened again eh and he caught orbs pulsating red to green two blue a red dot to a blue dot to dot and then there was a white dot in the middle and it would just be floating there and then totally disappear and then come back and then totally disappear haven't come back and totally disappear and it never looked like it was going further away or coming out you always in the same name spot i knew it would exist in the non existent that exists and not exists showing off yeah i get new buildings so lights have actually been seeing the area since seventeen sixty no way <hes> the first one was reported to be a quote sphere of fire. Oh my god and was seen hovering over the area area and emitted a light so bright actually cast shadows in front of the sun and that's not a fucking weather balloon seventeen hundred no and the light was seen from both bridgewater and roxbury and is likely to be the first documented u._f._o. Report on the planet no way yes that is so cool ooh another one that was actually documented in newspapers was on halloween in one thousand nine eight and two men were driving around three a._m. And they saw a quote unusually strong wrong lantern illuminating a large object lantern. They're like they're like they're like how do we describe this lantern illuminating a large object almost like a balloon and they watch watch it for almost an hour and others also reported seeing at hovering and then keeping a steady course and hovering and then keeping a study so is stopping by free. Will it seemed chair. It could have been a hot air balloon but they are quoted saying i claim that a hot air balloon could not move in a circle or perpendicular in this one did it it moved up and down seemingly at the will of some individual and that was apparently in newspapers that's wild some people have also seen floating lights approach them closely and then mm fade away down the river so they felt like there is a fisherman at night coming towards them and then as the light's scott closer there like there's no boat attached to that like it's just like going down the trail by itself and then they'll interact with it or say something or be like what's that who's there and then like zooms away. They're also clouds that do that that illuminate just like the one in the graveyard that will just move on its own in its own source of light in nineteen sixty eight there were five people that saw a ball of light floating through the trees and rehoboth and shouted at it and it grew to five feet wide and then charged at them when we got genius burst into the room sorry so they were like yelling at the light being go get away from us and then like grew into this mess and then charged them no and then just disappeared no the same aim year a man was looking at a snowy field and saw a tree from a distance burning from the bottom up as if someone like lit the tree on fire went to go check it out to make sure everything was okay and there was no tree there was no there was footprints in the snow. There was no snow all god. There was no source of anything happening. He was just seeing it. There were for most of the u._f._o. Sightings star in the sixties. They mainly happened in the seventies. Most of them came from one thousand nine hundred nine that was like the big u._f._o. Year and the bridgewater triangle hello oh juniper handsome cat who i love so much we'll kiss nope okay. Oh i'm gonna tell ya the median about five seconds so the up here comes and so really oh my goodness open. He's got s. o. U._f._o. Sightings mostly happened in the year nineteen seventy nine. The most famous one was two newsmen actually reported seeing a home plate h-shaped u._f._o. Like from a baseball shape that's funny. It was a home plate shaped. Some stories say it actually admitted a green substance dayton say say that in the interview i saw but they swear that they saw it was as wide as apparently five seven forty sevens put together though it had a cord sparking. I'm from the bottom of it and you could throw a rock added. It was so close i got one of them was an air force but and was quoted saying that's not one of ours and the last asking you wanna hear when you're with a person and the two of them talked about it but didn't say anything and then they found out later there was a a series of reports multiple people had seen it and then they came forward saying freaky julian e-book cuddling. Do you love this is so nice. He's like. I want you to bring my smell bacter- cat so they know how much how much look at that belly o ooh oh he's cuddling oh. He's really cuddling. Holy site and you get a photo heat aside. I'm go to mookie little eve in juniper juniper <unk> little eva and the kitty cat. Oh oh my goodness hope. Here's a little olive puppy dog puppy dog. They all need so much attention. Where's the third one i'll he'll come in and where's the scorpio king. He'll come as soon as you start to live up here. Oh my goodness so much love okay. Oh yeah yeah yeah. You were okay so that was like the big one that happened in nineteen seventy nine and then again in the nineteen nineties there started to be a big influx of your four reports again so in nineteen ninety-one you remember that year remember fondly remember it well for being born. I remember remember leaving your past life for this one so then place how unfortunate for me so in nineteen ninety-one there was apparently a u._f._o. Stereotype green flying disc that i was seen moving slowly and silently fifty feet in the sky with a powerful spotlight christine needs to open the door for the cat that should be my slogan tagline opens the door opener door opener for animals so it was a foreign fine desk. It was moving slowly and silently fifty feet in the air with a powerful spotlight. Oh god something like that was seen again in nineteen ninety four to nineteen ninety-seven scott different dates on different articles that there was a report of a large triangular u._f._o. With three white lights in to read star-shaped lights. Oh my oh my god very specific. Got is in one thousand nine hundred zero of that had red green white lights this one's bananas it had red green and white lights as someone john was watching it the u._f._o. Split into two u._f._o.'s flew at high speeds both with bright lights and then merged into one again in vanished weird weird and immediately immediately after that the air force uh-huh was in town high interest in their plans. Their planes were flying around the area obviously obviously searching for something because of the lights and not splitting into two splitting into two or glowing red green and white. There's here's a feature. What more could he have to say so in one thousand nine hundred nine the other big u._f._o. Nineties are crazy at this bananas man. There's a guy named george and he saw u._f._o. That was quote moving all around. It was moving in shapes that planes don't move also report of a strange entity that that looked a little alien like in the area. It was seen ducking down empty car. Forget it that had a skeletal face that was white s paper no hair no eyebrows no lips nose and was seen staring at someone from their peripherals and when they went to turn hid in the car goodbye for which reminds me like. I never wanna getting my car again because something could be marya. It's either that hitchhiker either dipoto affect your and drive off the ledge like you can't nothing good happens absolutely on the car the other thing that's weird and i don't know if that's mentioned before but one thing that's associated with a lot with u._f._o.'s is black helicopters. It's kinda in and we'll from the way that i understood it. It's kind of like how demons will impersonate people but look auto. They're like oh. It's like trying to to look like our aircraft black helicopters. They're like that's a cool shape. I guess we could do that yeah. They're like that look standard. What the frick. I did not no that s era so there's the men in black who they believe like exactly. It'd be impersonating people. Oh no this is terrible. This is also bad so there have been take a wild amount of black helicopter sightings in this era of course so they started to appear after the nineties which makes me think like enough aliens fucking. I should've been the ninety s and they're like we need to. We need a new style. They're catching onto us. We keep splitting in half and apparently that's not horrible here so after after that influx of u._f._o.'s by the thousands only black helicopters were being seen that is not okay so creepy mysterious helicopters are associated with beautiful and in two thousand two. There was a report in an e newsletter called the u._f._o. Roundup and there was an investigator named mary. Lou love the name. I love it. She apparently in the area she heard very loud helicopter noises in rehoboth but found nothing in the sky she found witnesses who also ended up seeing two black black helicopters in the area that were equipped with spotlights and flying over route forty four which is one of the big hot spots. Yeah another witness actually saw helicopter two days in a row in july that year and then they ended up seeing more helicopters on month later more ended up reporting seeing helicopters august only months later. They're also reports of of animals especially cats and goats for some reason up hearing really nervous during any time there's a helicopter in the area cats and goats apparently the ones closest assist aliens love it the most spiritual of animals and after these animals are freaking out a week later there was helicopter activity nonstop including at night and there has never been a release or an explanation for why the the black helicopters were around and you know people are calling like someone's being like what's reporting reporting yeah yeah so the last thing not just u._f._o.'s but in the bridgewater triangle there happens to be a lot of sightings of cryptic words. Yes mainly a big foot shut up mainly bigfoot but it gets pretty bananas so there's one guy named joe deanne de android. I thought it was the android and the documentary thing so dandruff so he apparently has been investigating this bigfoot monster publishing reports of the hawk amok monsters what they're calling doing it. The hawk amok sasquatch scher. They've been he's been publishing. Reports sense his own personal sighting in nineteen seventy eight so this is actually like really like he is probably one of the reasons the bridgewater triangle has so many reported documents because before anyone was taking the bridgewater triangle seriously he was already saving every document he could find looking every report filing everything so by the time people were like realizing hey. There's the paranormal story here any officer here in story here in a call to report here share. He already had a book to be like oh my god he has in the paranormal paranormal community. He's been given a lot of credit for being the reason people take bridgewater seriously saw bridgewater triangle seriously so his personal story in nineteen seventy the eight was he saw a quote big tall strange looking creature who was quote apish and manage that very slowly walk down a hill towards the woods. He was six feet tall well at least four hundred pounds me too and had long dark brown hair. There's another report that he got that. While someone was hunting with his uncle the uncle shot a bear like animal that cried out and it sounded half animal half human god and they later found blood and long brown hair in the leaves. There's another report from that same witness. When he was at a pond he heard a loud splash like something like a large animal dove in and then he looked over into the water and saw several several dead fish floating on the surface as if something had just like gone just like what attacked all the fish. There's another report of someone seeing a tall. Oh bipedal creature covered in hair in their garden. I looked up in their window and saw this in their heart and he was eating one of their pumpkins holding it with both of his hands. Oh oh which means he was bipedal upright and holding a pumpkin and his hands and get raw. That's so gross and then when they met is he ran into the woods with pumpkin drop-off uh-huh. Thank god that was for the state fair. There's another report of someone saying quote. There were a few times. I thought i saw things walking the woods especially around six a._m. Right before the sun rises god not get up early. That's one more sensitive and don't jump gins. I'll tell you what don't do yeah the house another report of a big like creature in the seventies that apparently went quote haywire and killed a farmer's pigs and sheep. Oh and then they actually had the police. Go go out and look for this thing because the guy swore was yeah like they had footprints and everything they're like this is not animal i know of sure and so the policeman out they can never find anything and then finally there's a report from john acre in his canoe. He said he heard something crashing through the woods and he saw something. Get into the water next to him and it looked like you imagine -magine you're stuck in your canoe. No no no no. He was in the winter too so he was going through. Junior is scaring the crap out of me coming through that door. I'm so sorry so he was in the canoe and this is the worst part is he. It was the winter so the canoe is going through like ice waters who is super slow so he could not get away very slowly. The he says quote something was following me and i knew it was big so we took the boat down a creek to a dry hell a dry hill and kept it moving but he could still hear the ice in the swamp cracking behind him as a creature was keeping up with us is a horror movie so he said quote. I knew it wasn't a human because when it past me i could smell it smelled like a skunk musty and dirty like it lived in the dirt. They say about bigfoot twos eddie smells really bad. That's what i say about christine. There's also a report of two cops sitting in their cruiser and quote without warning. Something began to pick up the rear of our ooh. I spun the car around and got my spotlight on something that looked like a bear running up right around the corner of a house running upright known all some think it is a giant the bare but bears have been extinct in the region for a long time so they're like okay what can't be a bear walks onto feet in works on two feet and steals my pumpkins well sure and sly guy said some reports of even led to police investigations but not only is big thing. There's a slew of scripted that i've never even heard of that apparently in this space so there are cryptic sightings include oversight turtles apparently oversized enough to be noteworthy hoover size has turtles is the best krypton i ever heard. Here's the worst snakes as thickest tree trunks by pretzel worm. It's tops lavar. We found one of us us. I mean not a real one but it was this giant log that like had blazed goes is that your is warm thing your worm dragon as it looks like it's the one <hes> it looked a lot friendlier. Yeah snakes mystery trunks terrible orangutans. A lot of people think they're either wranglings or baby bigots. It's because of the same coloring same amount of hair kind of walking upright run away from you but like to save a little bit like humans yeah yeah yup and then also thunderbirds which i have not yet covered. Have i know you haven't but i love this topic. So i wanna save thunderbirds for the future so interesting basically they are massive pterodactyl dactyl like birds that come from native american folklore so would make sense with the curse on the land. They have a wingspan up to twelve feet. They're fucking. It's really like jim herald people call in and say they've they've seen one and seven is really wild. They think it looks like a dinosaur like it's that yeah so i do want to save that but there have been in a lot of scripted sightings of seeing thunderbirds spooky <hes> also cops have made their own personal reports in saying them. It's not like that's interesting too. Mike calling a cop for an investigation. It's like the cops are reporting this. In the seventies. Through the ninety. S people have reported seeing them sometimes even fighting in mid air together so there's bird yeah so there's at least more than one oh my god coincidentally though the very first report of a thunderbird in the bridgewater triangle happened to be in an area literally literally called bird hill so a lot of people think that it's kind of like not actually like it's a an urban legend. It started on bird hills. They're talking about birds but a lot of people swear that they are these bird hill because that's where people saw he's trying yeah who knows what came first. Maybe the bird or something other than me so in one thousand nine hundred ninety six there was also a man who watched a huge ghostly dog as big as a pony out here with red eyes rip out the throats of two of his ponies. No <hes> they did a whole police investigation. There are like maybe it's a wolf in there like it was not a fucking more like a he swears it was just like a normal dog but as big as a little horse jesus and just oh god and they never found the dog so they think there's there's like a pack of dogs apparently later in life today they deal with <hes> people witness all these like ghosts lee kinda see through abandoned dogs with different levels of aggression but like if you see one stay the fuck away because now but so that was the beginning of dogs sightings great in the nineteen ninety s there were black panther author citing slow like phantom black panthers like nobody knows where this thing fucking came from and tan panthers which this ceramic also cover. There's enough information but apparently it's got its own name. The mansfield mystery cat what and he is a town panther the size of a great name. It's always tan small panther or maybe ten normal cat this is. I don't know i don't know how did and a lot of people are like okay. People are saying they're seeing panthers. There's an half. The reports are saying they're black. Panthers half the people are saying they're tan. Panthers like what on earth these are not real and then as soon as people start giving up on it being a reality a thirty pound african cat a serval was found dead and beheaded nearby what they actually found a literal african cat. I think it was a serval what's happening. They thirty pound cat was just found dead and beheaded in the bridgewater trying on the wrong continent. Yes yes what the fuck and be headed newspapers. They like by people saw this thing. That's the real thing. This wasn't like. Oh vanished it was like so engrossed in two thousand six or more reports of aggressive dogs in the areas and there was a random email that had been lost in the forest was bull rushing people that poor imos like get me in the pilot panther. I swear so here's another thing in the again. This is something that should have been addressed and other articles. I only found it in the documentary. I don't know how this was not addressed somewhere else. Maybe they got special privilege college. Though maybe in the nineties there was a guy named bill. He was walking his dog named samantha. Samantha rottweiler slash german shepherd so she's a big girl. She's i'm not afraid of a china around and they decided they were going to go on a walk at night and they decided to take a different path at night. Always a mistake they got to a i. I wouldn't call it an abandoned road but a road that no one uses like has phone poles on it. Kids use it to take back roads and sapphire. Just a random sure all of a sudden dog for reeks the fuck out on bill. Here's a high pitched wailing. Oh god and then because it's like low key and abandoned road with like only one street light in the shadows are weird. He can't see ahead of him. Yeah so we hear this high high pitched wailing and then through the shadows he sees a little creature what apparently the creature is three to four feet tall with a pot belly. Okay in the face of a chipmunk and this little creature is covered for has big is. He doesn't know how he knew this but knew that it wasn't young for its species. It was an older what and then said it never wants advanced at me. It just stuck its hand out as if it wanted me to come to him and it kept saying iwon shoe here here you want you here and so after the last twenty years of wondering whatever the fuck he saw he thinks it was trying to speak the english and he thinks it was trying to say we want you come here and it just handout wanting him to approach them. I'm freaking <music> out. Dude talk about nasa trip by the way this guy's having this. Oh nana's he still says to this day. He's like i know what i saw. I'm dog saw i. He's like i'm so mad. I did not approach it because in hindsight it was not being mean to me. It wasn't scaring me. It was trying to actively not scare me but i was just so scared. I ran away when i look back it wasn't i've heard this story have you. I don't know where like maybe honest dodging but like i've heard that where he's he literally he said. I wish i had approached it. No well apparently i wouldn't be here. He's like in hindsight. It wasn't being aggressive. I was scared and iran turned around. I lost my chance he was gone. I mean it was a walking chipmunk with a beer belly like hello yeah true. If you were sylvan fucking had aged poorly unfortunately that is just gonna start singing christmas time and like it was going to get you know he did hear high pitched wailing. It really could have been it really could have been yeah so before. I delve into that real quick. I want to say after everything that i've covered. There is an argument that this whole bridgewater water triangle is not real of course some people argue that it's actually a self fulfilling prophecy because a lot of the stories say that the swamp is only five percent of the triangle and yet it happens to be the epicenter of activity and people say oh this is where this happened laker all activity happened in the swamp but then when you actually hear the locations tens of the stories that are miles away swamp and so they basically think that this the lauren guy who made the boundaries he created the shape in the seventies to mimic the phenomenon of the bermuda triangle right right when it's technically bridgewater rombas as we all know oh and the borders were arbitrarily picked to include as many mysterious events as he could find based on newspaper reports share so he was shaping it around so they thank he just found like a concentrate area and then just put a border around to make it look as creepy as possible enter self-fulfilling prophecy because now if anything weird happens happens there even if it's just like a murderer like like a plain jane murder because it happened in the bridge bar triangle. It now massed in this label us. Mr reported specifically under that umbrella exactly yeah. That's interesting so now. Something dark ever happens there. It's already just labeled mysterious instead of like oh. That's just this crime shows. Just happens happens literally everywhere in this country in every country and so it continues the legend of the property inter so the argument is like someone decided that this was a really creepy area and now because of those parameters people are looking for creepy events if you so that that triangle was over here people would find a million go stories however i do believe that there is an element of like you create like you can create your own people manifest like it's happened poltergeist activity supposedly like from your own angst and like you perpetuated yeah yeah exactly so nowadays this is where we stand with the bridgewater triangle and why i think so many people re tweeted about it and send it. My way is because f._x. Has just released the news that they are creating a horror thriller series as called bridgewater triangle probably why it sounds familiar to me. Okay is going to be produced by no holly who also produced bones fargo and yes. The marvel series legion literally. I just read about this okay and the plot is basically what is new these days apocalyptic dystopia but only hits within the triangle lines. Ooh and three estranged siblings have to come together and save the world listen. I'm gonna watch it and two thousand thirteen. There was a documentary by aaron here in kenya. Which is the one that i have been talking about. Non stop. It's literally just called the breitbart triangle on amazon prime. I'm so excited to watch that by the way there are so many firsthand accounts of people who literally i saw stuff <hes> some of the leading paranormal experts out there. It's really really well done. Documentaries and one of my favorite quotes about the bridgewater triangle triangle is when asked about it. The director aaron cardio called it a buffet of the unexplained. I love it so much. That's the facts are speaking our language. He's like just put throw in some like food. Some golden corral referencing christine will say buffet. I say where so the last thing gonna say which elite which folds back into the the ninety s experience that bill had in the middle of the road with that weird thing saying yeah what was concerning with me or we want you here. We want you to remember iwon shoe keer. You want you here tuck dude. So what was that critical thing. We don't know however it does fall in into validating the theory that there's one other crypto which i very excited to talk about next week shit. I was like okay so the i will there has been news about this krypton recent recently so in the area one of the spots that falls into the bridgewater triangles called freetown the free someplace. Lease apartment has recently installed road signs. You know how there's like deer crossing signs. They have no crossing signs now warning drivers about the scripted shut up which which if you're a harry potter fan. You might have heard this before but the crip did is a puck wedgie. I don't remember that. Apparently it's actually one. It's the hoffa puff. Equivalent went to the american hogwarts so i think like ill will mourn. I'm not hearing so okay. Clockworks is like in in the u._k. Oh so they're saying whatever the hogwarts in america is their equivalent to the hustle puff houses actually called pudgy so a lot of harry potter fans might note. I i understand okay. Okay okay however it is an actual scripted that goes all the way past or all the way before native american times so there is an entire history to puck wedgies way before harry potter. Oh so that was something she like picked up. Yeah i actually think there's gio finally making his grand entrance right at the end of the story. So the one thing i do want to say is that if you're a harry potter fan you might really like the next episode because i found out in doing all all of this history that whoever created the american hogwarts yeah used a lot of the bridgewater triangle history to create all of the information kevin surrounding that school the school of injury. I'm a harry potter fan anyway tune in next week to hear about the puck ledge. I'm so excited and that is the bridgewater triangle crazed that reminds me of skin walker ranch like just like every type of paranormal activity suddenly surfaces there. You know i you covered that right. Yes yeah. I think so i think so too. That's covered skin walkers belleville ranch. That's i don't think you covered skin walkers. In general. I think you just did you did oh okay. It's all right. I can't remember anymore. It's still it's like a spooky story after story after me so much of that where they just have weird and like there's there's like big foot and then there's also like alien. It's really wild and ghosts buffet buffet of the unexplained that is good he should we came up with that man. I kind of wish. I didn't give him a credit. Let's steal it. I'm just kidding. That is really a good line anyway. That was a great story. Thank you so much. Thank you for this one of my favorite frank through that with me. No that's where my face so far. I love that you know that i sweat a lot. Ought we all know. Fortunately i made that known to the rest of the world <hes> i've found native recently and i can't stop telling everyone about it. We love date of children u. 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I k. the peculiar dot com slash drink ziprecruiter the smartest way to hire yourself and eva okay hello. I'm back for my story now. Hello we spent a half an hour not talking on the microphone to be aether. We were ordering food so it's very important break. I got chicken parm o. J. got pizza. You got chicken pox land on it and then i saw whole pasta section task game over. I up pizza. Okay everybody here we go. This is the story of the murders of mary. Ashford barbara forrest who who were killed on the same day in the same town but one hundred fifty seven years apart. I'd wait a minute creepy creepy. No it really is because when you were telling here's like mine's kinda spooky to like a little spooky today you feel real and get a little a little while. Let luthor. It'll we regularly talk about. How do we do this. My my old boss at my previous job. Her name is renee. I don't know if she's still listens but she was a avid supporter. She was she especially. When i left. She was very understanding so thank you for that but whenever she would eat some anytime she like broke her diet or trying to be really good that day and she would like eat a snack. Even if it was like one chip she'd be like. I was so nutty like not ironically with forty. She like this weekend. I was so naughty. I had a taco that they still to this day. Quote her every time. I eat like an oriole mike. I'm so should i should i should i should i be bad lasagne naughty that i love it. I love it probably not why haven't i have been saying in my whole life. We should start if feel good to say it does to thank you for that thinking any. That's very enjoyable okay so this story is really weird wild. It's kind of north but it's bananas. Let's get naughty. Let's do get knotty so this is actually inspired by post iverson on instagram by gems g. e. m._b. Underscore twelve twelve which is quite a username but her name is genesis. The post was on an account called unburnt mm creepy and it was one of those. I mean post where i was like okay. That can't be true like weird facts. You know like people make shit up and then it goes viral and it's like no that's not true right right so i saw this and i was like that. It's gotta be bullshit but i was like intrigued so i looked it up and lo and behold is true life. It's real it really happened and it's on real news articles and stuff so <music> super hearth great l. at the same time you know and then is like looking at the account the unburnt thing and there's a lot of weird shit on here. I wonder if it's all true oh no way away probably not but this one was all right so i looked at let's see the website that i discovered wolf phantom dot com website they have all sorts of weird like different well so okay unsolved mysteries dot phantom dot com and then a huffington post article by stephanie all masan and u._s._a. Today so like legit source yeah so this takes place place in pipe hayes park in earning ten a suburb of birmingham england so i probably incorrectly helmet. Do you know how hard is to pronounce. Any massachusetts shoe sits town so i definitely want and come back though of like oh today yeah the best comeback when people are like you can't say this word. It's like try pronouncing worcester or any the focus down in massachusetts so the first murder took place in eighteen seventeen so six thirty a._m. On may twenty seventh eighteen eighteen eighteen nope eighteen seventeen like i literally said five seconds ago a laborer labor named george jackson came across a bundle of clothing a hat ensues near a water filled pit. He alerted some local neighbors who dragged the pit of water and found the body of twenty year old. Mary ashford <hes> she had bruising on her arm. <hes> she'd been sexually assaulted and footsteps of man and woman were found in a nearby field which i love that they could probably tell because because once show retain mike or lee high heels or something then in a field right right <hes> one authorities interviewed mary's friends. They learned that the night before she had attended a dancing dancing town she was known as in town is like an attractive young woman. She had a number of suitors. She's very popular in the day before her body was found may twenty six was was whit monday about this. I don't do you know okay. So it's a christian holiday. It's a day after pentecost <hes> and <hes> it's basically like the last holiday easter season and i guess over there. They go and dance and have fun. So sounds sounds sounds like a plan to me. <hes> mary had sought by her friend. Hannah cox's his house on her way to work where she dropped off a bundle of clothes that she planned to wear to the dance so at six p._m. She goes back to a friend's house after work so they could get ready for the party together and then they go to the dance and by council good time <hes> they ended up spending the rest of the dan like the later part of the dance with two men named benjamin carter and abraham thornton the four of them <hes> all friends left the dance midnight and they walked along the main road which is called chester road. Hannah was like i'm gonna head home. It's late <hes> aben was like i'm going to go back to the dance and that's not is we're gonna get crazy. Officially officially tuesday easter season is over so he went back to the dance and then mary ann abraham were like we're going to keep walk doc in so they kept walking toward mary's grandfather's home at four a._m. Hannah opens the door to find mary back at her house and mary's like i wanna change back into my work clothes because she's still like her party clothes and she's like what the hell it is four in the morning like what have you been up to and she's like i had a i spent the evening with abraham thornton thornton. Hey oh la la you tell. She seemed very happy claim to have had a great time and they were like out. I don't know neck in someone else's being naughty not yet. She went over to hannah later. I was so nutty last night. I got friends. Emigrants eat a whole cake. The benjamin abraham and i had a we were all not a romp in the field yes so she went back to the house at four a._m. Which is komo your friends really nice to fucking lachey and change of yeah but so she came in for anyone close but she seemed happy. She was like i had a great time. She changed into her work. Clothes and shortly after witnesses spotted mary walking along the road chester road presumably back to our house was only a few hours later early that morning that mary's body was found picks up by eight a._m. The next morning abraham thornton was arrested. He was the last person to have been seen with her. She had literally said i was just with abraham for the last several hours right right. He reportedly told police upon his arrest quote. I cannot believe she has murdered why i was with her until four o'clock this morning. Okay <hes> during questioning abraham told detectives that he had had sex with mary that night in the fields. Oh my god the dog and cat are literally chewing on the ground. What was that they are. Geo just likes to harass the cat she thinking of letting people into your house at four am remember when i showed up at your house in ohio and i was like like i need to sleep here like everybody was. My grandmother was a ghost. Yes i recall to this day. I'm not to venture of that pam. A real person is pam. The nicest goes for is. She made me a really nice. She makes kasbrols like an asshole. She's such a gem for god's sake. The animals are riled up okay so he told detectives he had had sex with mary that night. In the field afterward they had talked and gazed up at the sky until around. I'm three a._m. Before abraham watcher part of the way back to hannah's house. He said he waited for a while but she didn't come back out so he went home and he said that was the last time he saw mary alive. So oh abraham thornton's trial began august eighth. <hes> public opinion was convinced that he was guilty however three witnesses were able to corroborate his alibi and so that in conjunction conjunction with a lack of like real evidence basically led the jury to deliver a not guilty verdict. Oh well okay so mary's brother. His name was william ashford he. He refused to accept the jury's decision. He appealed for a second trial. Somehow i mean it was long ago but not that long ago. Abraham somehow convinced <hes> the <hes> this guy who was presiding over the case his name was lord ellen boura shirt up shirtless. He convinced him to allow abraham to defend his verdict with a trial l. by battle is essentially like some hamilton shit. Yes a fight to the death to prove one's innocence like some game of thrones crap okay so he's like okay. Find you wanna read appeal my case like fight me and so the brother was like so apparently the event came and the brother was supposed to fight abraham and whoever won like that was the verdict but died was guilty with any sense and so at at at the event abraham made a big show he threw his leather glove of over his head to initiate the challenge and then mary's brother was like listen. This is dumb. I don't wanna do this like fuck it. I like this stupid so abraham just walked free so the public continued to believe he was a killer after the trial concluded so much so that he eventually fled his home for the united states. Mary's murder left left a deep wound in the community. The town never forgot her loss <hes> and they kind of moved on now. We fast to may of nineteen seventy four. The body body of a woman is found in a ditch near chester road in the small town of earning ten <hes> england the body was determined to be that of twenty year old barbara forrest orest. Her body also showed signs of rape and strangulation. Police were shocked when it was revealed that barbara had been killed on may twenty seventh nineteen seventy four exactly a one hundred and fifty seven years to the day of mary's murder back in eighteen seventeen. That's amazing suburb like this is like a small town and it sounds a media like it's just got to be a copycat. Happy count me that story yeah you. Barbara forrest worked as a nurse at nearby pipe as children's home she had also gone missing on whit monday and so keep in mind. This holiday changes dates every year because it's like based on when easter is so it's on a monday but it just happened to fall on the right same date which is not common so that was weird and she had actually been out dancing that night benjamin monday day with her boyfriend simon close-knit also the guy's name was men. The guy's name was abraham. They abreu common korea benjamin so reports say the barbara was out dancing with her boyfriend simon on the evening of her death he stated. He walked her to the bus at one a._m. Mm-hmm and that was the last time he saw so a manhunt ensued defined barbara's killer where over one hundred detectives took part in this massive search and finally they zeroed in on their main suspect. His name was michael in thornton. He had the same fucking last night. I was gonna say as mary killer they're not related. He had the same fucking last name as her killer. In eighteen seventeen it turns out. Michael thornton lived on chester road. He was barbarous coworker and i was like obsessed with her or something and so it's just like not a good that situation <hes> police reportedly found bloodstains on his pants and <hes> his his mother had given him an alibi and like they immediately realized it was not not true and so they were like okay. This is our guy so they apprehended him and charged him for barbara's murder he was put on trial and similar similarly to abraham thorn in mary's case one hundred and fifty seven years before this thornton was not found guilty or not guilty due to lack of evidence so another weird similarity is at barbara's barbara's sibling erika her sister shot refused to accept the verdict and try to appeal for a second case. There was not a battle with their cause some assets the streets. Oh my god that would have been great. She threw her leather gloves on newsy snap so absurd so that was weird like the same situation where a sibling refused to accept the verdict and try to appeal in twenty twelve she demanded the case be reopened and and dna evidence reviewed <hes> there have been no updates as of yet but they're still trying to figure out if they can like nail the sky for this yeah but as of now he walked free so i'm just going to recap like what's happened so far so marian barbara both murdered on whit monday may twenty seventh after a night of dancing zing both raped on the same exact road by men with the same last name one hundred and fifty seven years part just super fucking weird. That's just banana yeah yeah and the similarities gets even weirder so there's more <hes> both women reportedly felt a sense of dread leading up to their deaths so mary ashford from the from eighteen seventeen had confided in her friend hannah's mother that she had quote bad feelings about the week to come before she was murdered. Barbara had told a colleague that that quote this is going to be my unlucky month. I just know it. Don't ask me why so that's just a creepy creepy similarity. Both both marian barbara were twenty years old at the time they're murderers and they had the same birthday shopping literally. What was their birthday if they were the twins if thank god damn germanized birthday shit guaranteed goddamn okay. We're gonna look that up at the end of ood spooky to didn't think then place the thin place. I tell you what same thing different time peace christ okay they also. They enjoy dancing going out with friends. That's both what they were doing. The evening they were killed. <hes> both suspect who shared a name thorn but we're not related. Were found not guilty. Due to a lack of evidence evidence and in both cases says a sibling contested the court's finding demanding further investigation so another similarity. This is probably the worst of all is that the murders remain unsolved to this day. Both cases are considered cold cases and still haunt the town to this day. Wow and i know that was so fucking short but i knew we so just for other people like we we discussed it earlier. I was like my story is going to be so fucking long. I hope yours thank god because i couldn't find much more information on this but <hes> it was good. That's a creepy though listen for such a concise story like wow you nailed his spooky hooky both unsettling today. I think yeah there were no resolution into any now right exactly where i hope everyone feels like there is an open ended scenario in your life now. What was the phrase like chew head to meet. Come with me. Oh oh we want you hear something yang yang shu yang here yeah. That's going to look up their birthdays real quick. Please hold okay update. I could not find their birthdays. However has been confirmed on multiple multiple sources that they had the same birthday and where the murder took place during twinsies on may twenty seventh so they were twinning in a different in a different life day is twenty. Oh so oh sad i did find one more thing that is how god here come on the animals. We just got the pizza delivered. Here's one last thing i wanted to read that. I found which is just just beyond aunt infuriating so mary ashford from the one from eighteen seventeen was buried in sutton coldfield sutton coldfield churchyard and the inscription on her grave thread as a warning to female virtue and the humble monument to female chastity. This stone marks the grave of mary. Ashford who on the twentieth breath year of her age having incautiously repaired to a scene of amusement without proper protection was brutally murdered on twenty seventh may eighteen seventeen fuck that so they said that the the ultimate she was asking for it the ultimate on your final resting place she achieving for it she was she banged it out that night and that's why she died yeah because she has. She's fucking luther. Goddamn ankles at the namm. Oh my good night good night and goodbye us. All the people from that are gone. Thank god nobody has that opinion anymore. Will one day amen one day one day. Let's hope for a better future less the fucking klein it fixes itself fix it in time for people to like all think that that's that's a fact upstate medicine. My hopes are not high so that's what i found so that's that anyway. It's terrible sucks but we got pizza so yeah so let him pereira off like a band-aid feel down. It helps to order some food. I always feel better after i knew that. Are you said kobe pizza. Jump don't go anywhere no order on the right right right right right and then have a puppy dog come to you you know there are services there are my mom almost did this for my birthday. I remember there are services where you can rent a box puppies firm. They will literally nickelodeon did that at our party and they just like had a ton of dogs yeah. This is the best invention of all time. My mom tried to surprise me at our m._s. Superhero <unk> hero sleepover box a puppy dogs but apparently they were all sold out that night. I can't imagine why because everyone sat on a saturday night in l._a. All the puppies we're taking everyone's just like high and drunk. Booja just covered in puppy dog the dream anyway go yourself a puppy dog or pizza or someone and sorry about that <hes>. We'll see you next week with a story about a little chipmunk man. This comes out this sunday right. We still still have some tickets for atlanta and new orleans yes we do. We really smart tickets. I think i just saw it on this. There was a scenario where something happened with the then something happened but so shit we they were sold out and they're not there's a couple left for both so atlanta in new orleans <unk> okay great 'cause i'm doing my notes now and we have some wild stories for you guy so <hes> get on it so if you're wondering if last minute there'd be any extra tickets. Please come and help us solve them out. I have people coming especially to the atlanta one so it'd make me look really cool missile pretty please <hes> cool all right and we'll see you there and that's why we drink.

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BOX168: Thank You For Not Burning My Entrails

The Box Of Oddities

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BOX168: Thank You For Not Burning My Entrails

"The true crime events pairing captivating tales with clear storytelling knows Charlie war all gives the most in-depth analysis by bringing inappropriate historic and cultural content. Hey guys have you checked out the great podcast crime lines if you like this show I think crime lines lucky right up your alley if you don't like to show what are you listening for crime lines walks you through so over here we got our Christmas ornament for this year that's kind of a tradition whenever we travel somewhere we get a tree ornament representing that that area Cisco in there's so much there and I was a little overwhelmed there were lots of different districts lots of surprises oh I wasn't expecting this the world is full of stories stories of mysteries of curiosities which was so much fun amazing it was a great time at Cobb's comedy club we met some fantastic people the freaks came out in force and I love what the the manager at Cobb said he said you guys draw such a fun crowd and I have to say that's not the first time that all of a sudden it was like oh anyway it went really well we look forward to Boston this coming weekend tickets are still on sale for Boston Charlotte and Nashville also of course the show hand enter Promo Code Charlie for your first month absolutely free what follows may not be suitable for all audiences listener discretion is advised Raleigh San Francisco trolley with the most demented looking Santa on it you can possibly imagine cable car demon Santa so pretty the free community is is building incred people people love you guys it's so great it really is thank you so much and thank you to San cool and polite and kind and that's just it's really amazing and probably my favorite thing that's been said about our show absolutely the idea that everybody will just succumbed it was it was inevitable we would both get it because sometimes we kiss flat growth while we were there we stopped at the out and if you like to show make sure to check out their premium channel on Himalayas complete with exclusive episodes early access and a members only community group download the Himalayas APP search crime lines has been set when we were at Nashville the last time Zanies they said the same thing that we that the people that came for our show were so a refrigerator magnet right I mean the treatment is every time we travel but it's you know at least one year frequent and this time we got a little Cisco for being amazing unfortunately cat caught my cold while we were on the road yeah that's what it was inevitable really respected as the lid and obviously pure inside the box oddities so we just got back from San Francisco added about that and I got to thinking about how cities can offer so much and so I wanted to take a look at some of the stranger cities in the world and I think I gave it to you so I apologize how is that possible I just was able to ward it off for a longer high c but still carried it and I gave it to you and your delicate little baby is for next year we'll tell you more a little bit later on well since you're the one that's not feeling well and this episode you choose do you WanNa go first or would you prefer if I did I think it'd be architecture is themed according to classic British Market Town styles their apartments shops and cafes cobbled ooh well cities and towns let's start with Thames town it is named after the River Thames in London and the into the show including the C o one of the big corporate people made time to go to the show herself it was pretty amazing I was not expecting that and then that streets as you would imagine at the Victorian terraces am corner shops and the red telephone boxes that of course you would of joy and Joe through Bulatov strange the honor corporate headquarters for Himalayas the APP that that we partner with such great people to give you an idea of how good they are to us a bunch of the Himalayas team James Bond Statue there little places where you can buy fish and chips and teashops it's it's really amazing better if I went I yeah that way I can get all the talking we're GONNA have to do out of the way was do it okay what you got for me okay so so we're in Sanford expect to find cornick of course there are statues in the city of famous Brits from Winston Churchill to Princess Diana there's even a and what makes this town a little bit different is that it's situated about twenty miles outside Shanghai how is that geographically possible so owns initiative which was passed by the Shanghai Planning Commission in two thousand one there's also a Canadian town in Italian town Germantown it was part of an initiative started in two thousand one by the Shanghai Planning Commission in an effort to help with severe overpopulation amazing and I have to go do they start building these two thousand one okay there's also a knockoff Paris complete with a replica of the Eiffel Tower you can live in you can buy a traditional Dutch cottage and live in Dutch town that's crazy it is crazy and thanks for the staff of the universities in the adjacent university town so Thames town was part of the one city nine towns then and incredible property prices in Shanghai so one of the objectives as well for Thames town was to provide accommodation touchtown and a Swedish town so this is like this is like the world showcase pavilion from Epcot Cod yeah they're actual towns is it built a scale I don't think so now most of the houses in town sold pretty rapidly but they were tactic of creating this little British village in the middle of nowhere wasn't enough to make up for the fact that a retirement or ex pat community yeah except not so much a community is just houses like not no economic purchase mainly by more upper end like wealthy people who are making investments or were buying second homes engine to drive the economy forward that's right according to business insider they described it as a virtual ghost town supposedly the and because of that house prices kind of rose which was counteracting the purpose of these towns I see and because so few of the people engine street signs there are written in both English and Chinese police have a red almost English guard looking uniform you had to be half hour outside the city and there just wasn't convenient to be that remote without some sort of like you said who are buying the properties were actually living in those properties people weren't there to work in the little corner shops I see so it it turned into more of the mm-hmm but there's not a lot to guard because there aren't a lot of people who actually live there nevertheless there is a similar English style town plan near Beijing so they're hoping that maybe in a different area this might work a little bit better one of the things that this town is doing very well in and is very popular for is Weddings People Wanna get married and have these amazing backdrops in their photos and one logger the blog was Ariel abroad blog she said that her strolling about the city she saw like nine couples go and look at all the brides and grooms showing up just so strange so as I said I did snag from Ariel Abroad Blog City zing and even if you can't go there to stay in a town like you would vacation in a town with a lot of things going on it might be interesting just to should dingus right now because I really did I loved him and I just I it was so moving that music is anyway and I think I was starting to get trek and Wikipedia for that one of the things that I really loved about our visit to San Francisco was all the Chinese culture there and that little was beautiful and he was so sweet and it just it it was an amazing thing to see I wish that I knew it was called because I would not feel like skirts of this city consists of a central four story domed chess hall surrounded by an Olympic Style village old man that was sitting in the park down on the on the wharf playing one of those traditional stringed instruments Chinese instruments I don't even want to call it enthusiast and wanted to bring chess to his his city but like on a grand scheme certainly of Californian Mediterranean revival style architecture there's an enormous chessboard painted on the ground in the town square with like p voted to chess including a statue of Oh stop bender who is a fictional character of popular books written about the create and it kind of seems unfair that I was plopped in the middle of this Arctic wasteland it's a beautiful state main is lovely of course it is I love it Averitt and shiny and other words that mean big things but the area itself is really a poor region shen of a world chess capital so that's what this city is stop bender what a wonderful name it's true it glorious future plans for chess city in has seen a lot of controversy because so much money has been dumped into it and it really is quite something quite is the capital city of the republic of Kalmykia Russia pretty sure that so the neighborhood size developments which is on the without much in terms of natural resources the the people in that area live in poverty and then there's this chess city which has moved in and include a water sport complex skiing center government buildings business centers opera ballet theaters and museums but really the I'm kind of obviously lives it and I don't know I just you know I live in Maine and you don't get a lot of Chinese stringed instrument no plans that second so I was feeling a little emotional about it and I just couldn't help but think of like how he has so much culture that he brought with him and he to be an Olympic city and regardless of the socio economic state of that city all this money gets pumped into these Olympic you just getting married getting married and you know posing in front of the the huge church replicas and so that is kind of amazing okay here is chess and it was created by the president of this region who is a chess sucks are there fulltime residents there or is it just a destination for chess tournaments it's I mean people live there but it was a craft along the interstate all the way and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of palm trees and after the Super Bowl nobody took care of them and they all died full-sized chess pieces that you can move about the site has conference center public swimming pool complexes featuring sculptures and artworks men on the sides of the road you'll see that often no not often enough and it's something that I I love very much is learning about other people and other stuff is like a like a grand scheme again this sounds less like a town and more like a Disney resort it's true yeah and it should also be noted that this town Tampa and so they spent I don't know how many millions of dollars planting these beautiful falls full-size full grown palm trees remember living in Tampa one of the years of the Super Bowl was played in Tampa and there was this big citywide beautification program because the eyes of the world we're going to be Florida it's a spot where carnival and circus folks spend the winter and where many have chosen to retire just think near Sarasota right sure keep equipment costs down that's right you wouldn't have to worry about one of those sticks ladders they're called ladders lots of different types of palm trees but in my head palm trees just look that way like the palm tree that I had on my t shirt in the early nineties and it was I'm according to the Guardian the first settlers the giant and his wife the half woman ran a campsite at a bake shop and a Fire Department into end they had a little post office which catered to just little people with a little half size counters and the focus of like these big chess tournaments and stuff and everyone just comes in with a big fat money and then they just leave and everyone around there is still poor and it's just kind of and something I've learned recently is that you have to take care of palm trees do otherwise they don't look like palm trees because in your head and of course there are the hall had custom-built chairs the Fat Lady and the tallest man and there were special zoning regulations which have actually allowed residents to keep in train exotic animals missile live here all right that's why I have to replace I distracted you really to your story have a video of him I should share that okay let's talk about chess city at least head with this idea that it would just be for so probably the people that live there are just there to plan the next chess event it's kind of like when a city is chosen his twin sisters ran a fruit stand which I think is amazing this is a magical place and there's actually a statue of a giant boot that pays trip you to a pass resident Outta Meinie was a circus giant was sized twenty-seven shoes isn't Gibson town where people with naturally occurring deformities from being showcased for money is an effort to keep them I know you do think Amir last one okay Gibson Town Aka show town is a town in like Miami and then there is this bright pink and green fluorescent palm tree on it because of course I had that shirt and I thought that's just the way the palm trees look in their yards so the tallest man he was on on the fire department I don't know I would have been handy especially in off a blaze broke out in the second story you're not feeling well I'm so sorry I'm going to shut up I'm Gonna I'm GonNa let let's talk here so you can get done so anti-discrimination acts throughout the years more people who wouldn't have had other opportunities do have other opportunities and it's true that's true so a retirement community for circus folk and a lot of things go into that there are seven states that actually prohibit you know they're adult humans who should be able to decide what to do with their own body also legalized sex work wow okay again going back to a time when I lived in Tampa I lived in an area of the city where there were a lot of professional wrestlers hey there still have some residents the freak show circuit as a whole really is kind of dying so there's not that much demand for the population is dwindling. There are still some a really amazing people who live there though and as I said they're still the giant boot mid town exactly correct or colorful community really really was but it is starting to kind of Peter am the even though obviously we're just like we don't we don't do anything no no I have zero talent I make a nice roasted Broccoli but that's hurry about in some of the articles that I read and I saw pictures of some of the people who live there performing like in their driveways and so you can or the Barnum and Bailey's winter location was Oh yeah I'm not great with geography so I don't know right then cool because of the history of that town they could probably make a bit of money well I think so and and here's why they at the time and one Halloween night what will actually was Halloween Day they had a party over there and there were all these professional wrestlers the next this was this was would have been probably early nineties and we lived right next door to somebody involved pretty heavily in the WWF it was an amazing time to be alive that's all I have to say anyway fascinating stuff thanks for sharing that anyway those are some neat towns they took a hard right on that one I just showing you some parallels also because of the various choices they have to be protected it's disgusting and other I mean I I get the goal behind it but wrestlers in my yard I came out and tugboat was standing in my driveway Sir Sir I'm GonNa have to ask you to get off the grass drive by the home of the world's oldest swords swallow our and see him swallowing swords out in his driveway yeah just things you know buildings and accommodations and such and then after the Olympics leave over it the next to the basketball hoop he's practicing it makes perfect stuff and cutlery down its throat yeah that's my neighborhood that would be so cool I know and then we show up oh yeah and Hacksaw Jim Duggan once told me I was quote kind of hot duty yeah how about that yeah yeah anyway hang on edge to what once was a very thriving community of amazing freaks do they encourage tourism there I mean I would think that a lobster boy grady what's his name lived I believe so yes the Eric Yeah he was horrible man who killed people yeah yeah I think that hey boys do you remember them they were there whole bunch of other people that you would probably remember from from those days one I came out and there were okay so number B before it was named to San Francisco this small city by the Bay was called Yearbook Boyana from being that e word exploited Ariel but but even if they choose to okay interesting yeah because of course they can't make it next to look beyond simply what happened to consider why it's chock full of research and it's well thought out it is the opposite of what we give you well that's one of the reasons why lack of sleep but we learned some great things while we were in San Francisco and some unusual things and we want to share them with you now the voice San Francisco show in I live show in our Halloween tour and we had such a great time there we actually stayed an extra day and took the red eye home and so if we sound a little discombobulated the number one a five five we start from five we do it doesn't matter we've done it that way since well just say your way I want to go to that thing in the middle like we said at the beginning of the show we just got back from San Francisco the first Blair there are very few communities for experts in roasting Broccoli maybe you could start one that sounds like a fun community to live in though I agree very colorful Komo P- you've got to trim them do gonNA treat that turned up anyway I distracted you again I'm sorry go palm tree means good Arab and Spanish good herb okay but Boyana number four and this is a topic that I covered in my live show Oh presentation at Cops Comedy Club in San Francisco did you know you're not allowed to barrier dead within the city limits I knew that I did not know that not dot com nineteen all rights reserved laden fat. 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My ears started suffering from ear fatigue yeah not so with Ray con we loved them especially now that we're travelling so much with our live tour jam those babies price of other premium wireless ear buds on the market and they sound just as amazing as other top audio brands that you know yeah I would say that they're the item that prisoners from trying to swim at that makes perfect sense because we were standing there on the war looking at Alcatraz thinking we could swim that it's not that far live is their best one yet with six hours of playtime seamless Bluetooth pairing more base and more compact design that gives you a nice noise is so we need to make another trip back shoutout sweet Greens I loved that salad though box of oddities with cat and JETHRO Gilligan off number one they're only around eight hundred thirty thousand people that live within the city and County San Francisco but at any given time we talk about that we get the most feedback about like hey I got those Rakhine 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we need to say Mr Man we don't need to call people door their airport door no rake Hamas founded by Ray in addition to the clubs loving you we love you for so many reasons one of which is you bring us gifts oh got some really cool gifts got somebody brought us a raccoon penis bone if Gloria it was a little gift box like a fine piece of jewelry it's what I thought it was when I first opened it up and such a great story how much of the movie is actually real oh yeah how much of it took place how much was an embellishment how much did we've had some wonderful things said to us through the mail people bring things at the took the shows and we're starting a collection of all these little odd things that people have house like oh no that's some sort of bone it was not jewelry it was a raccoon penis bone thank you so much for the raccoon penis bone we're adding it to our down for the movie oh my Gosh Anyway let's talk a little bit about who William Wallace was Sir William Wallace he was born in twelve seventy Scotland and served under that banner until his defeat at the battle of Falkirk and that was in July of twelve ninety eight what most of a lot of the of the movie was was pretty accurate what the big big discrepancy was at the very end spoiler alert when he gets killed us and we appreciate so much your thoughtfulness and generosity nook nook that's a good word look so the afternoon before our show I was at the end they left a lot of shit out the way he was executed was far worse than what the movie portrayed they had a Tony Independence Wallace defeated an English army at the battle of Stirling Bridge in September twelve ninety seven he was appointed guardian honey baby person and she was in Norway so the Scottish Lords set up a government of guardians nothing suspicious here oh Margaret fell now in August of thirteen five he was captured near glass cow and was handed over to King Edward the I of England and King on and so several families all laid claim to the throne of course because of that a civil war started brewing prospers want it was a period of peace and economic stability on March nineteenth in twelve eighty six however Alexander died he and he died the twenty third of August thirteen o five he was a Scottish night according to Wikipedia who became one of the main leaders during the first war of Scottish of shadowing the English army okay we're following them about yeah they were trying to avoid battle until shortages of supplies for the English army became Edward was pissed about all this you know because this was treasonous stuff that he was doing so he was executed for high crimes against the Orne more crippling to them and they would retreat looking for food and other supplies that they would need and then they would attack that was the plan and because the that year while planning a return to Edinburgh for more supplies Edward received intelligence that the Scots were encamped nearby at Falkirk yeah I believe in him so the heir to the throne was Alexander's Granddaughter Margaret Maid of Norway She was just a kid she was just and he moved quickly to engage them in the battle it he had hoped an prepared for okay now I don't understand how war works even chilling out in our hotel and I was flipping around on the TV channel in braveheart was on it was toward the end of the movie and I'm watching and I'm thinking I'll bet so when so did he like sneak up on them how does how does any sort of army find another army around essentially circle the wagons as Americans would say and with their spears pointing outward making it a little bit more difficult for hill on her voyage to Scotland and died that doesn't sound suspicious that was in twelve ninety now there was no clear heir to the throne also that you come from the wall wallace line yeah I mean it's not just Scotto but there's been some research done amazing nobody tm we'll come to find bliss quartermaster failed to prepare it had left morale and food supplies low there was a resulting riot and it had to be put down July a leave out this is interesting thanks by the way for doing research about my family yeah there's some there's been some families scuttle butt because your last name is I an army to attack them share a Hedgehog I love hedgehogs unfortunately the English had Welsh Long Bowman in that swung the auditees here in our I don't know what this is we it's it's it's an underground studio I guess we could call it like a like a dungeon I don't like that okay mutation as a military commander suffered very badly so he resigned as guardian of Scotland in favor of Robert the bruce now rush civilians when Wallace was just a kid king Alexander the Third Rule Rule Scotland his reign was seen pretty much roles in the Scottish defense and of course they the Carr- their cavalry followed up and crushed the remaining resistance wallace escaped but his Wallace's activities after the battle are somewhat vague but there's some evidence that he left on a mission to court King Philip the fourth of France you're a king you want to die heroically especially in those days well what if he was terrified of horses yeah then that would have been a very heroic act that's true it's an excellent point with like an oak crown that suggested that he was the king of outlaws and guilty of treason his response was to the treason charge I could not command. And they plundered Lowthian in regain some of the castle's but they failed to bring William Wallace to combat the Scotch what they were doing just they really glossed over his his execution Wallace's enemies according to Legend took him from Westminster Hall where he was tried and found deplete his case for assistance and there is some evidence in letters from King Philip the fourth that he was trying to build a force of a strategic advantage in their favor they were able to stand back and just rain arrows down on them right so the long bows in the archers blue distance for William Wallace okay. Wallace evaded capture by the English king until August of thirteen o five he was taken to London Take Into Westminster Hall the hall to the towers of London and then executed now how close to reality was bravehearts depiction of the true events according to rancor he was tried for treason and for atrocities against civilians in war quote sparing neither age nor sex monk nor none he was crowned award now drawing is the tie you behind a horse and drag you to the gallows part of a grisly excrement and other objects at Wallis as he was making his journey to the gallows I think when you throw Feces Liam Wallis's case they just tied him to a horse and dragged him through the streets while the horses were pulling him by bystanders through garbage and it engaged them without it being like okay first of all you already know that they're coming and if you already know that coming why aren't you leaving and off his horse he was just clip clopping along and he slipped off and and he died it's not a great way to go its not her roic in any way not always just on the ground oftentimes there would be like a a sledge or some sort of a board that they would time too and they would drag that but in the

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Holidays: The First Thanksgiving

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Holidays: The First Thanksgiving

"The following episode includes discussions of genocide lynching racism and several acts of extreme violence that some listeners might find offensive breath. Please exercise caution for children under thirteen. The shore of America drifted into view over the horizon. Tis Quantum had never seen such a beautiful sight. After so many interminable years he was mere miles away from from a reunion with his friends and family in the Pawtuxet tribe his people the journey had been a long one seven years earlier earlier he was captured and sold into slavery. He felt like he had aged several lifetimes during his captivity in Europe after months of attempting attempting to beg and barter his way across the Atlantic he found himself on a ship. Captain by Thomas Dermer tips. Quantum was one one of the first men ashore when dermer ship dropped anchor in Cape Cod. His heart was filled with hope. The only thing that had kept him going during his long years of servitude but he was destined for disappointment. To S- quantum had come home but there was not a familiar face in sight inbetween his kidnapping and return to America. Virtually the entire pawtuxet people had had died of disease. To S- quantum was one of the last members of his tribe still alive who story of his enslavement would be largely ignored by American history books for centuries instead they would focus solely on his role as as a translator for the English settlers ignoring how he learned English in the first place even his name would be shortened in these telling 's becoming Ming a synonym for the noble savage cliche. In the story of the first Thanksgiving he would be known simply as squander. Welcome to the dark side of a podcast original a show L. where we will delve into the seedy underbelly of pop culture icons and historical events. We aim to expose the ugly truth behind cultural moments elements and public figures. We hold most dear proving that there is always more to the story than meets the eye. I'm your host Richard and I'm kate. This is our sixth episode on the dark side of holidays. The holiday season may be seen as a time of celebration for many. But it's saccharin exterior conceals many unpleasant truths at podcast. We're grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at park cast and twitter at par cast network. You can find all episodes of the dark side of and all other podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream the dark side of for for free on spotify. Just open the APP and type the dark side of in the search bar and if you enjoyed today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a a five star review. Wherever you're listening? It really does help us today. We're exploring the time honored holiday of Thanksgiving every fourth Thursday in November we gather with extended family members to consume far too much food and reminisce about the founding of America America but in today's episode. We'll explore how the story of this amicable feast is ally. The history of the most American Akin of all holidays is much like the country. It is founded on rustic optimistic and built on centuries of bloodshed had an theft. We'll tell the real story of how white settlers gain their foothold in the new world leading up to the horrific and often forgotten king. Philip's war in the late. Sixteen hundreds as October rolls into November. The fall months settle in leaves change from Green to Brown yellow and red. The air carries a sharp chill promising snow in a few weeks. And all across America families gathered to share a lavish meal. The tradition of Thanksgiving dinner according to popular history. An astonishing number of school textbooks Thanksgiving it has been a staple of American culture. Since the pilgrim fathers first touchdown on Plymouth Rock in sixteen twenty but in truth the holiday was initially a relatively small local custom. Going back to some of the earliest English settlements in America an annual day. Am Thanksgiving was not seen as a universal holiday but varied depending on each community. Thanksgiving itself didn't gain any serious traction as a national holiday until much later in the early eighteen hundreds prolific writer and magazine editor Sarah Joseph F. A. Hale wrote about the sixteen twenty s feast and became obsessed with making this day a national holiday starting in eighteen twenty twenty seven hale regularly penned homes Turkey themed recipes and editorials every year insisting upon a holiday commemorating eating the founding of the country decades into her efforts. She began a passionate lobbying campaign to convince President Abraham Lincoln to make the Holiday a reality on October third eighteen sixty three in the thick of the civil war. President Lincoln finally broke his silence on the subject. He proclaimed that in the midst of conflict. Americans often took their blessings for granted. Saying I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States and also so those who are at sea and those who are so joining in foreign lands to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next as is a day of Thanksgiving and praise to our beneficent father. Who'd wealth in the heavens? This proclamation did not even mention the the now mythical first Thanksgiving but the day was enough. Hails influence was very strong in making sure that the holiday was subsequently tied tied to the history of her home in New England. Thanksgiving slowly gained prominence during the reconstruction era. Eventually actually it became so popular that it subsumed another holiday that already occupied the late November slot particularly in New York State Evacuation Day Evacuation Day One. As prominent on the calendar is Independence Day was a yearly celebration and the day that the English retreated from New York during the revolutionary war but his Thanksgiving gained in popularity evacuation day a faded into obscurity replaced by different holiday fueled by national pride. That of the nation's Puritan ancestors raking bred with native Americans Americans in the fall of sixteen twenty one to be clear the sixteen twenty one meal did take place sometime between late. September and early November. The pilgrim fathers eight with the WOMP Nolaac a collection of native American tribes led by the tribal leader or S- H.. M. Of the pokeno Kit Osama Quinn. He would be more well known by the title of Massa Soya Hawaii which means great Sega. However this feasts historical significance is largely overblown the feast which is likely included wildfowl shellfish flint corn and chestnuts was not even called a thanksgiving? It was merely a gathering to celebrate elaborate a successful harvest. The event lasted for three days. Pilgrim journals from the time name mess associate and ninety members of his tribe tribe as the guests of honor the native Americans at this gathering vastly outnumbered the pilgrims of the one hundred two men and women who had arrived done the mayflower that December only fifty three were alive to celebrate this harvest. The pilgrims did not even have enough food to supply the ninety guests guests and mess associates. Men had to hunt a number of extra dear for the feast. Everything we know about this meal comes from the writings writings of two individuals pilgrims Edward Winslow and William Bradford. They both wrote surprisingly optimistic accounts. Despite despite the prior deaths of nearly half their party their letters assert the possibility of prosperity in their new home with the help of their gracious Kalis but like many European accounts of the time they're perspective was incomplete. The so called first Thanksgiving thanksgiving is seen by many modern Americans as a celebration of hope and unity. Reinforcing the idea that this new land was prosperous auspice and vast enough to share between cultures but if the pilgrims had touched down only ten years earlier they would have found a far more crowded country than the one they saw in sixteen twenty. They were not the first Europeans to land in the new world and their predecessors had already brought death to the shores of America. A common assumption of Thanksgiving is that Europeans were newcomers in the country the pilgrims after all arrived in sixteen twenty to escape religious persecution. But that is only part of the truth. Well the pilgrim fathers did arrive on the Mayflower in December of sixteen twenty two found the settlement of Plymouth Massachusetts. They were far from the first foreigners owners to make their home on the east coast of America. Non Native settlers had been making incursions into North America as early as the fifteen in Twenty S. The first non native settlement in the new world was San. Miguel de well built in fifteen twenty six by the Spanish Hanisch. In Present Day South Carolina led by Lucas Vasquez Day on roughly six hundred explorers and an unknown unknown number of enslaved Africans attempted to make their home in North America however their expedition was doomed to failure and four four months later most of the Spanish had died of hunger and disease during the woeful. Early years the enslaved Africans mutinied burning down much of the settlement. This was the first recorded slave rebellion in history. The one hundred fifty surviving Spaniards on yards. Returned home some accounts assert that the surviving Africans remained behind but there are no records of what became of the settlement after after the Spanish fled as of two thousand nineteen no archaeological evidence of San Miguel dwelled. Abby has been found despite despite this the doomed expedition sparked an interest in the new world that continued throughout the fifteen hundreds both Spain and France launched the number of voyages to colonize the east coast of America often resulting in violence and death. For instance in fifteen sixty five the the Spanish massacre at a number of French Protestants who settled near Modern Day Jacksonville Florida in the following years from fifteen sixty five of two fifteen sixty eight. The Spanish explored the Carolinas building forts. which were subsequently destroyed by the native inhabitants? Try as they might finding a foothold. On this side of the new world was proving difficult. The Dutch settled near present. Present Day Albany. New York in sixteen fourteen most traveled there seeking wealth than new business opportunities in the untamed land but like many colonizers before them they brought with them silent weapons that ravaged the country. They desire to settle by sixteen twenty not the native American population of New England was utterly decimated through both deliberate attacks and subtler means almost as soon as they arrived at the new world. Europeans kidnapped native Americans for slave labor. In one instance. Thomas Thomas Hunt Lieutenant of Captain. John Smith visited the pawtuxet tribe and invited them aboard his ship. Among these natives was a young young man named quantum as soon as they were aboard hunt and his men pressed them toward the hold without warning or explanation the nation to S- quantum and the others fought back only for the English to respond with gunfire. Pistol fire swept the deck. Cutting cutting the PAWTUXET men down mercilessly of those assembled only nineteen including quantum survived. They were forced at gunpoint into the hold taken. Back to England as cargo to squander him and his eighteen pawtuxet companions were after a fashion lucky. Shortly after that particular slave ship departed. Things took a sharp turn for the worse in their homeland. A deadly epidemic struck the eastern United States to this day experts debate what exactly. The outbreak consisted Toke smallpox yellow fever influenza and black plague have all been candidates over the years but the consensus is clear. Disease came to America along with the colonists mainland Europeans who visited the Massachusetts coast during the early seventeenth eighteenth century. Were utterly filthy. Compared to native Americans indigenous American culture placed an extremely high importance on bathing regularly and carrying personal hygiene by contrast the inhabitants of Europe in England almost never be believing it was unhealthy and rarely took off all of their clothes at once because it was immodest because of this the average European was practically typically a petri dish of any number of diseases. England and mainland Europe had been ravaged by the black death almost three centuries earlier so Europeans immune systems were well adjusted to the kind of putrid conditions that caused the plague in the first place. Native Americans on the the other hand had no immunities to the germs Europeans would bring with them. They had no defenses up next. We'll discuss one of the deadliest epidemics in world history. And how European settlers knowingly profited off of it hi. 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Back to the story. The Myth of the first Thanksgiving states that during I fall in North America the pilgrims held a celebratory feast with the local native Americans. A promise of peace and partnership from the first Europeans in the new world this story is full of inaccuracies and historical blind spots while the pilgrims did land in Sixteen ecksteen twenty. They were far from the I. In fact their arrival was the latest in a long line of European incursions to native American lamb and the land they settled was already prepared for them native American agricultural work paved the way for the pilgrims to have a comfortable arrival in Plymouth. When the mayflower landed underbrush had been cleared and the Wilderness they encountered was significantly tamed by natives? Most of whom had moved away or died of plague between sixteen seventeen seventeen and sixteen twenty a grisly epidemic of unknown diseases struck the native population of America carried by European fishermen and traders. The death toll was steep. Precise numbers are difficult to determine but experts believe as many as ninety percent of the native population of Massachusetts Bay Colony. Were Dead By sixteen nineteen. The Massachusetts a tribe living in what would become in present day Boston saw their number of warriors dwindled from three thousand to just over three hundred between Sixteen fifteen eighteen and sixteen seventy five. The low number of survivors makes it nearly impossible to determine what specific disease. This was symptoms included headaches. Heavy nose bleeds. Fever skin lesions and jaundice during the plague. If a tribe was is decimated by disease surviving members would abandon the corpse strewn village for any friendly tribe that would take them in this completely. The natural impulse led survivors of epidemics to spread often fatal diseases throughout the native community. Therefore even tribes lives of native Americans who had never set eyes on a white man. We're susceptible to the rapidly spreading illness. A two thousand nineteen study. He concluded that the mass death of native Americans was so great it caused the temperature of planet earth to briefly drop due to overgrown crops sucking a significant amount of CO two out of the air certain tribes such as to S- Quantum's native pawtuxet tribe tribe were completely wiped out by disease. Entire villages lay in ruins scattered with the desiccated bones of dead natives natives. WHO had no one left to bury them? The English did not see any problems with this. In fact it worked to their benefit. Unlike like the Spanish in the fifteen sixties they were met with no real native American resistance masses soy its willingness to break bread with the pilgrims. James was not simply the benevolent gesture. It is depicted as in textbooks but rather a pragmatic decision by a leader who saw his own people weakened by disease. The germ theory of disease was not yet a universally held belief so neither native Americans nor nor English knew what their contact was doing to each other and to the English the plagues were not a horrible result of their poor hygiene. They were our divine intervention showing them that God was on their side. This belief was only bolstered by a number of subsequent smallpox epidemics throughout the colonies which paved the way for colonial expansion in sixteen. Thirty one Puritan Minister Minister Increase mather wrote an outbreak settling a land dispute between native Americans and the European Immigrants God and the controversy Chrissy by sending the smallpox amongst the Indians whole towns of them were swept away in some of them not so much as one soul escaping escaping the destruction similar accounts of disease at the time are abundant showing English settlers. Delighted to see God clear the way for for their new settlements in sixteen thirty four John winthrop governor of Massachusetts Bay colony wrote to a friend in England but for the natives in these parts God hath so pursued them as for three hundred miles space. The greatest part of them are swept away by the smallpox smallpox which still continues among them so as God hath thereby cleared our title to this place. Those who remain in these parts being in all not fifty have put themselves under our protection. While such biblical interpretations of illness gave gave Puritans the belief that God was on their side its sap the faith of the surviving natives. The natives felt that their own gods had abandoned ended them some Cherokee priests were so distraught after smallpox ravaged people that they destroyed their own idols and objects of worship in despair including the plague of sixteen seventeen historians have cataloged ninety three different epidemics among native American Communities Communities Between Fifteen twenty and nineteen eighteen while precise population counts are unknown. It is believed that the diseases eases bread by Europeans to natives made the black death of a thirteen hundreds pale by comparison that only wiped out one third of Europe after all but not all mass killings were accidental in sixteen twenty three only two years after messes. Soya broke bread with the pilgrims colonists in Virginia committed the first instance of deliberate mass slaughter of native Americans by the Potomac River. They invited needed a number of indigenous Americans over for a toast symbolizing. Eternal friendship the Kinsky axe H. M. dropped dead within within minutes of this toast along with his family advisors and around two hundred of his tribesmen. The drinks had been poisoned. Send the Virginian colonists. Were not only cruel in their treatment of the natives they were also woefully inept at working the land and once they had cleared it in their early years. They often prioritize digging for gold over planting crops during winters. Some are I thought to have resorted to digging up corpses of native American and colonists to eat when they were out of food. Finally after years of poverty and starvation vacation they kidnapped native Americans forcing them to teach them how to properly worked the land through the attempts of moderate leaders. Like massive Soviet. Something approaching peace was achieved in Plymouth. He signed an official peace treaty with the pilgrims in March of sixteen twenty twenty one which prevented outright war from breaking out between their people. Let's be clear when we say peace. We are speaking speaking entirely in relative terms. As we've discussed. There was no point in history where racism and deep ugly prejudices did nut nut colored the relationships between native Americans and English settlers even when they first arrived in the country settlers refused to credit native. Americans Oregon's for the help they gave him one. Pilgrim's journal describes an instance where they encountered an empty native American home claiming they intended to trade with the occupant. They robbed the interior writing. As soon as we can meet with the Indians we will pay. I am well for what we took the same pilgrim wrote of encountering native American crops. It was with God's help that we found this corn born. For how else could we have done it without meeting some Indians who might trouble us they would sooner thank God for leading them to food than the people. Oh who planted the food in the first place and these slights were far from the worst offenses committed by colonizers. The same pilgrim wrote of coming upon a place like a grave that they dug up and robbed they wrote. We took some of the prettiest things to carry away way with us and covered the body up again for the callousness of this act. Too even occur shows that indigenous Americans were not human human enough to this unnamed writer sometime between sixteen sixty and sixteen sixty one. That's a Soyuz passed away during his life. His guidance had prevented Plymouth colony from collapsing and his death heralded the end of peaceful full relations between native Americans and European settlers. Warm Suda Mass Oy. It's oldest son. became the new Saito. HMO Of the Pokanoka the world he entered was far more precarious than the one his father had successfully negotiated in the Sixteen Twenty S. When the agreement between the two groups was made both the pilgrims and the womp Noah were weak the former from how poorly prepared they were for for their new home the ladder from disease in the intervening years? Both groups had grown in strength. The personal connections Societ- had forged with pilgrim leaders had been based on mutual struggle now that the leaders on both sides of that initial meeting were mostly dead dead or dying. These bonds were merely a faint memory early in his time as H. M. While I'm Suda requested that he and his is younger brother. MEDICOM be given English names to signify their relationship with both peoples wom. Suda was given the name. Alexander Alexander after Alexander of mastodon medicom was named Philip after Alexander the greats brother despite this gesture of cultural unity. The English did not trust Alexander. Rumors that he was planning a war circulated throughout throughout Plymouth Colony. Then in sixteen sixty two they Heard that Alexander had sold patches of land to the Rhode Island colonies the Governing Council of Plymouth colony demanded that Alexander appear before the court to explain himself and Alexander did not appear appear in July of sixteen sixty to a party of men led by Major Asya winslow road to Alexander's Hunting Lodge near Halifax Massachusetts. They captured him and a handful of his men. Some distance from their main camp under the threat of violence Alexander was forced to March back toward Plymouth for questioning. Shortly after being interrogated by Plymouth officials Alexander Alexander fell extremely ill. Historians don't know exactly what happened but by the time he was heading back to rejoin his tribe. It was almost completely disabled fuller. A Plymouth colony physician attempted to care for the Saint James Malady by applying what they referred to as a working physic- fuller's attempts were unsuccessful and Alexander died shortly thereafter for a number of contemporary physicians. Believed that Alexander had appendicitis and Fuller's attempt at a cure inadvertently certainly kill the same. Jim Following his brother's death twenty-four-year-old. Philip became the new Saito of the pokanoka Te. He faced immense pressure from all sides and like many others in his tribe he believed quite understandably that the English had poisoned and his brother. But Philip did not attack right away. He would not attack the English without thoroughly considering the consequences but as he considered what to do to address this injustice. The English were already turning their suspicions on him in sixteen sixty seven. A rumor began in Plymouth that Philip was joining with the Dutch and French to launch an attack against the English. Unlike his brother. Philip Willingly went to Plymouth to defend himself and was successful in nipping. The fearmongering in the bud however this this piece was short. Lived four years later. Fresh word of the WOMP NOAH and Narragansett planning for war reached Plymouth authorities ladies in April of sixteen seventy one. Philip met with representatives of Plymouth and Massachusetts Bay colony at the end of the meeting adding Phillips signed an agreement conceding that he had planned an attack and would therefore surrender all his tribes weapons in the coming months weather whether or not actual war plans existed is the subject of some debate. Most modern historians believed that Philip was not really admitting guilt eld but rather conceding to unreasonable English demands in order to preserve peace in the end the wants a no ag did not surrender their weapons instead. Both English and native forces stocked up on weaponry. The Years Between Sixteen seventy they won in sixteen. Seventy five have been referred to by historians as a sort of cold war where both sides were prepared for an armed armed conflict to break out. It's important to note that the technological superiority of the English was not a foregone conclusion at the time due to the active trading going on between the English and the native Americans almost all indigenous tribes were adept in the use of muskets native native hunters. Were often more skilled with firearms than the English. Were due to experience using them. Daily if war broke out no one could be certain of the victor and in sixteen seventy five it did what followed was one of the most significant and bloody war is on the American continent one often completely overlooked by contemporary history. Books we'll dive into the gruesome conflict known as King Philip's war after this now back to the story. The pilgrims often in credited with founding the United States colonies owe their survival to the support of the WOMP knowing Saham known as mess associate but by the early sixteen sixty s mess associate was dead and his son succeeded him as Satan Medicom also known as Philip took took over in sixteen sixty two and almost immediately found himself beset by the same bigotry and distrust. That probably killed his older brother. Rather tension between native American people and the United Colonies simmered from sixteen seventy one to sixteen seventy five. Both sides stockpiled weapons ready at any moment for armed conflict to break out in January of sixteen seventy five. A body was found beneath the ice of ASA WOM set pond in Massachusetts. It was the body of John Sassaman a native American. The Massachusetts tried he had been converted to Christianity becoming what was known at the time as a praying Indian Christian Christian native Americans were often used as mediators between the English and native communities just before his death Sassaman had been dismissed from Salem Phillips Council historians are uncertain why he was dismissed. It's possible he was accused of spying. Hang on Philip for the English but his death at first was believed to be an accident until another Christian native American named Pawtuxet claimed to have seen the murder three native Americans. Mata Shoe Namo Tobias. Yes and one papa. John were arrested and taken to Plymouth harbor for a murder trial puritan increase mather wrote. They had a fair trial for their lives and that no appearance of wrong might be Indians as well as English sat upon the jury but this was an exaggeration duration in truth the jury was comprised of Twelve Englishmen with subordinate jury of four Christian. Native Americans the efforts verts of Christian missionaries paid off in this jury which seemed deliberately designed to divide converted native Americans and those that still oh hell to traditional non-christian religions historian Francis Jennings wrote. This was a show trial staged for political purposes. Che's from beginning to end. All three men were found guilty and sentenced to death. Mother wrote that one papa. Kwan made a confession of sorts saying that Tobias and Monta Shoe Namo had committed the murder but that he was innocent. This statement would have stung as Tobias. Was One papa. John's father whether this was an earnest confession or a desperate attempt to save his life. We will never know on June eighth sixteen seventy five to three native Americans were taken to the gallows all all three of them. Were hanged Mata Shoe. NAMO and Tobias died instantly but one papa. John's rope broke and the surprised man. Hit the earth beneath the other hanging. Men Wom Papa. John was questioned again and he doubled down on his accusation of the other two. It's possible possible that the puritans offered him a reprieve in exchange for a confession. One Papa Quinn lived for an extra month in captivity before. He was shot to death. Philip and his people saw the show trial as a horrible failure of justice. It was the exact sort of thing that could push someone like Philip into declaring war former governor of Rhode Island. John Easton made an an attempt to persuade. Philip to exercise. Moderation Philip responded by giving eastern an exhaustive list of grievances. His people had against the puritans his brothers suspected poisoning the theft of the land fraud uncontrollable livestock and utter ingratitude. A Tude for everything masses. Soya did for them. When they first arrived in the country in his writings eastern Paraphrase Phillip as saying if twenty of their honest Indians had testified that an Englishman had done them wrong? It was as nothing. And if but one of their worst Indians testified defied against any Indian of their king. When it pleased the English it was sufficient to Philip the injustices had gone on for for far too long? He was ready to fight for his people's rights. The attack when it came was not nearly as coordinated cordinated as the English had suspected it would be on June twentieth sixteen seventy five a band of pokanoka warriors rated Swansea a small Plymouth settlement in southeast Massachusetts. Two days later a messenger reached. Josias winslow governor of Plymouth County. He gave the order order to raise a militia of two hundred men to stifle the rebellion. The initial goal of the colonists was to capture King Philip and end the revolution in before it even started but the ill prepared. English could not corner fill up and the conflict dragged on the military. The strategy of the English proved poorly suited to fighting native Americans. English warfare relied on volleys to cut down scores of opponents. Native Americans operated using more modern techniques they used cover and guerrilla tactics to pick off their foes as they stumbled through the underbrush rush over the following year. The united colonies were devastated by the war. By Spring of sixteen seventy six a number of Massachusetts settlements including Springfield Lancaster Groton and Dartmouth had been abandoned and yet by spring of sixteen eighteen. Seventy six phillips momentum was slowing the native American Army's chief asset its mobility hampered their chance of cultivating crops ops or growing. Any food of their own supplies were woefully low realizing this the English prioritized denying their enemy access. Access to Food Stores Hoping to starve the natives into surrendering as the war effort faltered tribe after tribe of Phillips allies surrendered to the English but Philip himself managed to evade capture on both August first and third. A band of colonial soldiers. Led by Benjamin Church spotted Philip but were unable to apprehend him on August eleventh sixteen seventy six churches men were approached by John Alderman a Christian woman Noah who told them he knew where Philip was camped. For the first time in the entire Warford the colonists would be one step ahead of their elusive enemy. Why aldermen chose to betray his? TATUM is unknown increase mather's writings theorized that his brother may have been killed by Philip for suggesting surrender but a given mathers unfair portrayal of native Americans in the past. This suggestion is worth some skepticism. Despite some misgivings from Church Alderman's information proved to be accurate on the morning of August twelve. They ambushed Philip in the chaos. Aldermen shot Philip mortally wounding him moments later. The man who fought the injustice of the English rush lies dead. The colonists were overjoyed. That was beheaded and quartered. The quarters of his body were hung from trees. Phillips head was sent to Plymouth on August seventeenth it was mounted on a spike for all to see some say that it remained there for decades but the conflicts dragged on for years after Philip's death hostilities as didn't officially end until the signing of the Treaty of Casco in sixteen seventy eight. It took almost one hundred years. For the United United Colonies to reach the same level of prosperity they hit achieved before king. Philip's war the WOMP NO AG. In the Narragansett people on the other hand never fully recovered from their losses. One estimate claims it up to three thousand native American people died in King. Philip's war when compared to the estimated native population of twenty thousand in New England at the time the number is staggering. Plymouth limited colony may have lost around eight percent of its adult male population in the war but the natives lost up to fifteen percent of their total the population. The story of the first Thanksgiving seems all the less significant when weighed against the losses that followed the founding of America is a story often told only from one perspective with large pieces missing. The Myth of the first Thanksgiving is the perfect summation of that tendency in the cliche picture of the first Thanksgiving we see native Americans and welcome pilgrims into their country as if no other Europeans had set foot there before and they are merely new visitors. The truth is that however friendly mess associates behavior toward the pilgrims was the meal. We glorify the first Thanksgiving was merely a brief life period of calm between two horrific events the devastating epidemics that ravaged the native population Mir years before and King Philip's war that came only fifty years. After the ICONOGRAPHY we linked to Thanksgiving such as pilgrims this cheerful native Americans and Plump Turkeys is itself a celebration of willful ignorance for all its sweetness and good intentions intentions. A Gourd overflowing with fruit and a fully stuff. Turkey are painting over the true origins of the holiday. A number of native American communities US Thanksgiving as an opportunity to celebrate their cultural heritage and ensure sure that the memory of the people ruthlessly slaughtered before and after the pilgrims arrival does not vanish rather than Z.. Native Americans as supporting players in the pilgrim story an honest depiction of the first Thanksgiving is the framework of a tragedy. A people who suffered unpredictable horrors at the hands of Europeans only to have the violence ignored to focus on a nice meal. Thanks for listening to the dark side of next week. We'll continue our exploration of the dark side of holidays with a more modern Thanksgiving tale. 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The Garden of Earthly Delights (Entry 515.SS0611)

Omnibus! With Ken Jennings and John Roderick

58:14 min | 1 year ago

The Garden of Earthly Delights (Entry 515.SS0611)

"Jerry Lewis v. Wave seditious Kurt Kobe, also Amy wine-house, Johnny cash and more disgrace them rock and roll true crime podcast stories about -sition getting away with murder behaving. Very badly is available now posted by me. Jake Brennan, you can listen to disgrace of the iheartradio app. Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm the production of heart abo. On many. And. This message. We are Ken Jennings, and John Rodrick we speak to you from our present, which we can only assume as your distant past the turbulent time that was the early twenty first century during the great cataclysm that will surely befall our civilization. We began this monumental reference of strange, obscure, human knowledge, these recordings represent our attempt to compile and preserve wonders esoterica that would otherwise be lost. So whether you're listening from an advanced civilization or just reinvented the technology to decrypt our transmissions. This is our legacy to you. This is our time capsule. This is the bus. You've accessed entry five one five dot s s zero six one one certificate number one seven zero eight six the garden of earthly delights. This an episode about my house. It is it's about the omnibus bunker, which we have turned into a future paradise with our little set that can be Chessen checkers. Or if you turned upside down backgammon, one of the reasons, we started this endeavor is because we've both been worried about maybe the ephemeral nature of the cloud. Not the the clued. You mean the closed it has left. Now, I keep all my data in German servers always say it in a Scottish accent? Oh, it's like the like the MacLeod loads the MacLeod's of of lock McLeod. The reason is that when I first heard of the clued many many years ago, it was a little Scott was Scott's farms. Explain to me by Scott. And I was like the what and he was like declared. If your sex Ed teacher was Irish for the rest of your life. You're like spermatozoa. I just thought it was said that way I did have a teacher in college. Who said encyclopedia as encyclopedia? Like, he said the Easter. He actually insisted that the little the grafted letters, which we've covered on omnibus. He he insisted that they'd be pronounced. It's got a serious case of diaries. And so for a long time, I did say like encyclopedia, obviously, that's what all the all. The educated people say a lot of people refer to our pronunciations and specifically my pronunciations with a lot of frustration. But you know, they all have a backstory and also they've all caught on in the future. That's right before we went on you were pronouncing realtor realtor. And if he's done that on Mike, you would have changed the future. But you didn't. So now people are still saying realtor like like realtor. That's what I do. I say that still realtor realtor because they sell real real estate reload radio list. Yeah. They do sell real estate. And one of the reasons why we're worried about the closed is because people don't have physical stuff anymore. We don't carve things that are important to us into stone tablets and keep them in our house. We just trust that fast. Corporations will be benevolent enough to let us keep looking at our vacation photos or watching the pornography that we've not even that collected in files. The you know, if I have every season of willing grace digitally at some point some company will be like, no, you cannot have every season willing grace, and at that point how much language would get lost. If not just to us to humanity of everybody lost their digital footprint of something terrible were to happen. We've we see it all the time that something that is free something that we used to own then become something held for us by our benevolent clued. And then eventually some money is attached to it. Like, oh now you have to pay. Nine cents a month. Now, you have to pay a hundred dollars a year and pretty soon. It will be oh, you want your vacation photos. Well, here's what you need. And there's an algorithm that prices each one your wife looks very good in this this photo eight dollars. Well, it or be tied to like if your credit rating, dips pillows, six hundred fifty photos, just start disappearing. So so logos. Get back to the future future. We'll be real like people start fading out of photos if the future goes badly. Did we talk about this on our show? I have a family member who works as Paul Allen's librarian, I think she has come up before. Yes. And only recently just in the last week or two she has expressed that as part of dealing with his estate like a his estate now is obviously like billions of dollars tons of real estate and recently deceased, Microsoft billionaire sports team owner for the future. But she as his librarian is. Trying to deal with his incredible which she called multiple Pedder bites of media that he has accumulated reassure. You should always make Dalil your divides. Well, I'll say for because here comes PETA bear. But she said the problem is none of this digital media is transferable. No one can inherit it cannot be it cannot be disseminated. And so we have these PETA bites of would just libraries upon libraries across all media. But we can't do anything. There are certain kinds of intellectual property law that keep him from transferring the rights to his to his just like if it's on I tunes. It doesn't belong to him to give the other person, you know, whoever he gifted it to would also have to buy it on I tunes. I mean, it's just the it's as simple as that. It's you know, if it exists on disks, it's not you. Possess. The physical media you possess the right to it. That's why having a basement full of VHS tapes. His now, you know, not it's not a hipster style choice or even a I've given up on life and need to go to value village choice. It really is an active the -tarian. Yeah. I mean and patriotism, you were bragging to me the other day that you had all these DVD's walls of TV. And in fact, you own those things I'm gonna have the only copy of the Disney movie, the one and only genuine original family band. Once once Disney FOX, Lucas marvel decides that yeah, right cancelled they put it by into paywall or they put it on a double triple pay while triple payroll. Yeah. But anyway, my my librarian relative was truly lamenting that libraries school libraries are dumping media. And putting everything online. She's like, no don't do it. Keep all hard media because of this. I've said this before but if you are. Writing, you know, if you have to go deep on a serious topic, which I have had to do as a writer, not as podcast. For this week UPS. Yeah, we don't go that if you really need to go if you will be in a university library for weeks, and I don't know what would happen if that went away because there's some kind of naive assumption. I think people my kids age everything just got moved to the internet, and they'll almost nothing got moved. So imagine a civilization wide. I of this where people are trying to figure out who Gary Coleman was and they have like four records talking about Willis. Is that what you would say that travel? You wouldn't even get traveled to your era to tell you what you talking about future Willis? And this is actually something that happens to us. So it's terrifying. Vision of the future. If people are imagine all these future -tective trying to be like we believe there were. But some wise men say there were five, you know. But this is actually what happens in our day when we look back records from say the renaissance people for whom there were not if somebody left behind no letters or writings, we just have very scattered values of their live. Thank God for the diary of Samuel Pepys. Exactly. Here. We look. He was a member of a very vibrant, London alternative sex community. They would get together every night and the lyceum or the ethnic and look at each other's PP's. Right. It was fine and perform hot Karl it wasn't even gay actually. No, no, no. It was just something. Everyone did. So there are tons of people like that that that did keep journals. It's a treasure trove dust because we might not know what the London fish market looked like if not for Samuel go in there one day, or we should start a podcast that tries to preserve this of future generations. They would think us I think if we would just stop dinking around talking about whatever about the way to announce a realtor. Litter and actually preserve some knowledge and a good example of a kind of person for whom we have no information because he did not leave journals or sketchbooks or writings of any kind is the Netherlandish northern early renaissance painter Hirana Mus Bosh. How's that possible? We are all very familiar with her automous Bosch Bosch is best works. Art iconic today, museums make an and and they're in the public, domain, museums and sketchy outfits make millions every year. So it socks and ties and like elaborate porcelain versions of some of his surreal, visions, if you wanna have that on your mantlepiece next year, dungeons and dragons giant wagon. Do I ever I love my giant wagon? You've got your teen male elves and whatnot lined up in your campaign. Ready to go myth rural? Or with real. It's not new through me those. I don't know. I always said myth real like myth, and y t h is not pronounced me. Right. I have always said myth real as well. When I had the opportunity said, I'm sure somebody's which is never nerd. You don't say myth real at least once every six months, you're not list digression on it. But I kinda like the way they over pronounce all these things in the in the Peter Jackson Lord of the rings movies. Like, it's not Mithra. It's Mithra midfield. Elves would have said the clear L. It's Mithra these actors have to be like Ladron. I'm sure they actors hate doing that kind of thing. So they must've hated it. But I wrote a Mus Bosch is like he's the pro Dalai he's psychotic. He is hallucinogenic. It's he's horrifying ever ingested him. You know, a lot of that stuff. I spy blacked out Little Brown. Actually, I never blacked out. Can you believe that all the drugs? Good for you wasn't a blacker out and even podcasting. No, this is all just huge hole in my idea. What's happening right now is your form and stuff. Alight? Us economist Bosch is we don't even know what his paintings were called even we're probably wrong about his name. His name is actually Horon mish, chronic Rana. She was quite Horon. Mish. He was what's the, Dan savage word monogamous? He was Managal. He was monogamous. No. He was not monogamous. We don't know anything about it. There are no records. No census. I mean, there's like we don't know what year he was born because there's no birth record from the church Dutcher extremely meticulous about this kind of thing. He was from the town of Serta gin Bush and certainly saying that wrong because we Togan boat. We love to pronounce Dutch words, I think. I think it is token the funny thing about it. Is it starts with an apostrophe? Yes. Then there's an a small s. Yes. Then there's a hyphen then there's a capital H because the Dutch the Dutch that's your naming their town. And the town fathers are like I'm sorry. I must have one number one special character. I think the apostrophe s is pronounced is that right? It's a shortening of death. Like the like, they've just shorten the article. I've actually played a concert in cer- token. No, not once but multiple times. Really? Yeah. And do you have any impressions of I didn't. This is a found gem to me that you actually have firsthand experience of sir token post you remember anything about it. I do remember a lot about it is one of what I consider kind of the hidden gyms of the Netherlands. It's not a it's not like a big stop on the tourist train. But it has a lot of history there. There was a lot of contention over the ownership of sir token Boesch back in the history. Best back in the historical times. This was an area of the Netherlands that traded hands a lot, right? And it's a, you know, it's extremely charming little little city. And I have extremely fond memories of playing there in the. Late fifteenth century in Bosch Zahra, sir. Togan Boesch was part of the duchy. I think we say Ducci on the omnibus your request, Pat, we passed the two she down the left hand side of bre bond. It was Habsburg territory, but it was not unlike places where a lot of artists came from. It was not a Royal court of any kind. It was not a university town. It was just a nice middle class merchant town that made organs it made church. Bells. Big foundry there for bells they made knives. They call it din. Boesch? Yeah. If for short. Yeah, it's just it's the Bush. I guess that means the forest of before it's the dukes force, basically, just like saying, what does it infringe the bo- both the wa the baloney baloney baloney, blah in France or the boast gay in Spain the Busk in Italy. It was the dukes forest the didn't live there. That's just where he kept his forest. Sure. And it's just like. Leaks tenstein or Liechtenstein which is a country where the owners the Liechtenstein Ian family never had been to like it was essentially a storage locker. Yeah. It was just like the Liechtenstein families forest. I like, we'll give you a number eight, and they're like, no we have a lot of stuff in like, we'll give you this small country. What about this forest, and they were like man, right? So the only time we have records of Bosch is know every twenty years, we'll get a glimpse of oh here. He is. He's apparently in a family of three his brothers also painter. And then it'll be twenty years later. Oh, he he's married now and the local brotherhood wants him to do a stained glass window for for them. All right. He was one thing that Soto gone boche was a center of was kind of local religious revival. There was like a brother local brotherhood and sisterhood a brethren or cistern. Yeah, they have a sister to drain everything. Just the brethren. Witches and sister to drain the brother it's a. It's a very swampy part of the Netherlands. No matter what we talk about your convinced that it's a swamp. This is I love the smell. Smell down. Now. Pretty sure anywhere in the world. I can find a swamp just give me twenty minutes. Like, we'll be talking about the McKinley assassination. You'll be like it was quite swampy on that grounds that day. Well, you know, you know, Washington DC very swampy built on a swamp. That's true. Still swampy to this day unless we drink it. So the the local brotherhood was kind of a lay group devoted to bringing kind of common. Religion back. There were influenced by Thomas campuses, immaterial Christie, like, oh, this is what Jesus really would have done. He wouldn't have had all these basilicas. He would have lived his life like, so it's a very religious part of the country. Well, it is. But it's a contentious I hate to get all like into the kingdom of the orange. Let's do it who was fighting over den Boesch well for a long time, you know, the Netherlands where a hotbed of Calvinism. But of course, the Habsburgs were Catholics and the Habsburgs controlled a lot of Belgium and the Netherlands during the during this whole period sort of thirty years war era. And so this token Boesch was this contended for area because it was Catholic for a long time after the Calvin est were pretty well established in that part of Europe. So a lot of the fighting was well, you know, religious fighting the best kind. Can you carry a lot of debt? I try not to I dislike I dislike high interest rate idea that somebody's gonna want more money later. Just because they let me use it. Now that doesn't seem fair. That's the thing. Like the average interest rate on credit card debt is like eighteen percent APR. And if somebody offered you that you'd never take it. But that's just that's just where it comes with your card. That's right. It ends up being the your de facto experience. So what should I do about that? 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Terms and conditions apply. Offers are subject to change without notice. Visit light stream dot com slash omnibus. For more information. Religion would have permeated every aspect of life back then which is what makes kind of the eccentricity of Bosch. Canvases vary. Very even more surprising than they would be to modernize. We have no evidence, by the way, the bus ever left. His hometown are these paint. Where were these paintings? I've they seem super radical super like doesn't seem like the type of thing church would embrace his most famous works looked like Altarpieces. They're these big triptychs like, hey, Wayne or the last judgement or the garden of earthly delights. So they look like Altarpieces, but you're absolutely right because of the content of them they would have been extremely unusual in any church. And we know that not long after Bosch is I think one year after his death. We have a record finally that the garden of earthly delights it's being displayed in town palace in Brussels. So it would have been private owners wealthy, rich, rich and wealthy and titled. Men wanting something nice for their home theater because they don't have a flat screen TV. But these are not something. They are beautiful. But certainly eccentric. There's a lot going on think about a world where you don't have. You know, movies or other kind of dense transporting media novato games. Maybe you do on wall art with a lot going on. Well, that's it and to future links who may not have direct access to these paintings there. Unlike a lot of paintings of the area where there's a kind of central character, or you know, the night watch it's a a dentistry -able faces. And and and pretty limited story within the paintings. And this is like I mean, there are twenty five visible episodes. Maybe fifty individual stories being told and they're incredibly mysterious to us even today in a lot of ways, they're outside are really I mean oil painting would only have one hundred years old when he made these. So a lot of techniques like linear perspective, not really even been perfected or invented yet. So he's not part of any recognizable school. He is painting. What's interesting to him? In a way that kind of has incredible detail and a lot of psychological underpinned depth, apparently when just look at the figures in their faces and what they're doing. But it's not even clear what there's a reference to his most famous camp is most famous triptych we call the garden of earthly delights. But that's not a name that Bosch would have referred to it before the eighteenth century when the public had go to galleries and CR when it was just being bought by wealthy collectors who commissioned them wealthy. Patrons paintings really have names given to them by the artists. The first time this is ever given a name. I think the garden of delights is in. I think king Philip of Spain it appears in the catalog of his goods, and it's called LA pin tuna del Madryn, yo the painting of the strawberry tree because strawberries figure into it. It's it's related to the Madonna tree. We have in the Pacific northwest with its silvery red bark. So this was just a this was a fetish item or a sign of of. Well, this just traded hands. Obviously there were no museums than so this ranch just rich people rich people buying it off one another inheriting it from one. Another a status symbol as money. Poured into the Netherlands from Merchantile later, the age of exploration and colonialism people would have the way you would express that would be with your collections. You've got a map on the wall at the far east that shows your your, you know, how much stock you own in whatever trading company. Sure got fry foreign it's got fancy stuff shell stuff. You're seashells stuffed armadillos and whatnot to show that you're a man of. Science and who is who is interested in the things of the far world, and you have beautiful art on your walls. And in some cases, the art would show religious, devotion, biblical scenes would have been very common back then. And even if the painting wasn't titled people would obvious as out this is the temptation of Saint Anthony, or this is Jesus the Saint Matthew tax collector, or whatever it is these are unusual because even today, he's painting stuff with feel Odua underpinning. But we don't know what he's saying. First of all almost everyone is naked. We are looking right now, you're looking at the garden of delights. Well, so I I want to say you've spent quite a bit of time in Spain as I have. And I'm assuming that you have also seen this painting in real life. At the product is overwhelming to see in person. Have you seen it have? So we've talked about the product before I think I was talking about Goya's black paintings in the deep in the bowels of the pro right? Well, Thurs couple Goya painting that I keep very dear to my heart. And bedside table. The the garden of earthly lights is a wooden triptych that's seven feet tall. And when fully opened an extended thirteen feet wide. It's enormous. It's cinemascope. And I believe it's displayed in the province, whether you can go around to the side, and you can see that when it's closed it has artwork on the outside as well. It's a whole show if you approach the garden of delights when it's closed there's kind of a gray sphere floating. Face is painted in monochrome. It's greece. I a technique that doesn't use any pigments besides black and white. So there's a sphere a sphere floating in space, but it's kind of like a snow globe. There's a flat landscape kind of halfway up the sphere with very detailed vegetation geographic features terrain on it and a little tiny God, the father up in the upper left. I think with a scroll creating the wh. So we're seeing the creation there, and this is how it would have been displayed in in a palace closed. And then you would approach it and open it to discover its marvels. I think so because what what you see when you open. It is just popping. You can see why he chose the black and white outside because look out baby. When it's opened you now have three large panels to kind of narrow rectangle ones and a large square in the middle. The one on the left is a representation of the garden of Eden. Which has a kind of traditional sort of like, here's Jesus and here are Adam and eve in their nakedness. Yes. Maybe that maybe they've just they're not being cast out. Things are still good. Yeah. It's a happy just being I think they just been created. The Lord has appeared to say, hey, Adam, I've just turned your rib into this naked lady. You're you guys are married, which is what you know. What all of us. Spend our lives waiting for. But then there are these wonderful and fantastically drawn animals who are all living in Eden, some of which would have been, you know, he obviously a lot of Bush never would have seen. There's an elephant and giraffe a very cool giraffe. He's like a out Bino giraffe. Yeah. And like apparently, Boston only seen black and white rendering so half. My my friend the artist Scott, muss grove draws fantastic. Rather paints fantastical animals and also aminals and his aminals are derived from the aminals of really they're kind of. Yes, I recommend to everyone that they explore the the artwork of Scott must grow. There's a unicorn at left's drinking from the pool eating eating has the lush vegetation is just crawling with all manner of of birds and beasts there's a cat eating a mouse. Yes. So there are a few places where it looks as if we're seeing foreshadowing. Of the post identified paradise pool. Cat is. Yeah, there's a the birds appear to be kind of squabbling in the stark pool in the foreground. What is that that creature that's climbing out of the pool is that a wom bat or. Yeah. It has like a dark roundish head. No the ears are very low though. It's possum like, yeah. It's certainly nothing. He would have seen in Europe. You know, there definitely seems to be some attempt to make these just fantastic creatures. And there's there's architecture to Eden appears to have this very ornate pink fountain of life. That's kind of stained glass, he tremendous maybe crustacean claws or. His idea of exotic eastern Middle Eastern architecture. It looks like an HR Geiger thing except it's pink. Right. What have we what if we took all the genitalia stuff in HR, Geiger art like really made it bright pink, so four grounded. You couldn't avoid thinking about it. And in the background. There's kind of these fantastic mountains shapes that are caves, and yeah, there's wurley and kind of they look designed artistic not natural or foreign but natural process, there's a flock of birds flying memorization coming out of like a bat cave type. Rectangular cave, and then they're swirling through other circular holes in the rock as they as they make their path skyward? So even though this is Eden. It's already a pretty freaky place. I'm not sure the figures the human figures are represented rather. Realistically for the time. Yes. They don't have big ears. They don't have wings. Everything's very detailed. You know? The people have expressions Adams kind of looking up expectantly eve is naked. But she's looking down at her at her knees demurely, maybe Adam is looking up expectantly like do. I get a second eve like how many eaves. He's also not even standing he's like, oh, cool. I have a helper. Now, I can just sit around on my ass on the grass in Eden forever now. Cool like parts of my body turn into turn into naked ladies now. She has very long hair. I'm not sure what Jesus doing there because Jesus wouldn't have been there. Wait a second. Goose section of Jesus would not have been board until zero AD. Eden as we all know is four thousand four. That's right Jesus's time traveled here. This is time travel Jesus. Yeah. You remember? Yeah. Of course, feeds more than eight people from a single own of loaf of bread. He goes back in time. This is one of the books of the Apocrypha isn't it like the like the gospel of Judas like we only we only have like a few thousand words of what Jesus said what was he doing the rest of the time? He was what would you do if you had that kind of power? He'd wanna see t rexes I would go to the United States. Frankly, should he have made up boat. He did later. He can walk on water. Just walked to Florida. Yeah. Come on come on Jesus walk across the Mediterranean and check out the swamps of of the eastern seaboard. Here's a curious thing. Jesus is one of the only people in the whole painting wearing clothes. Yes. So in the book of Genesis, of course, the Lord appears and gives eve to Adam to wife, and so he has painted who wife. Say in my. Big time. But you know, the Lord is according to the theology of the time Christ and God are one. Oh, sure. And so we're just seeing God, you know, he's he's been God. The the old bearded father on the outside right now. We're seeing him as Christ the young smocking in the garden. Should we do hell next? Well, no, let's go to the main. Let's go to the main story main event. So this is what's tricky. What is going on in the middle? So spoiling the right hand side is going to be held. So we see at left paradise not just in our past. But also possibly our heavenly future. I guess and on the right? We see the tortures of the damned in hell very very vividly described. When the hell is depicted on the Simpsons. It's generally a version of this painting. There's a bird sitting on a throne eating a, man. So there's a bird all you do want to go to hell take. We'll take go a couple of pages later if you want to see a close up of the bird, if you have if you're not driving your flying cars fueling 's look at the hell panel of. The last judgment. The bird has 'em human legs that are in to earn. His shoes are green ceramic urns for some reason you sitting on a large high barstool, which is also a toilet. Right. He's pooping people in a blue bubble. Well, you see him. So he some people he's eating a naked man whose birds flying out of his butt. Yeah. So butts are huge by the way in all of Bosch is visions of the afterlife butts feature promptly they're they're getting tortured. They're doing things that butts should not do realize there's a guy playing a fleet out of his butt over there. There's a guy playing flute I was in the main panel we're going to see a young youth placing flowers into the butt of another man bending over next to him. The bird is wearing a an iron cauldron for a half. Yes. And for that for that reason, he's often called like the king of hell or the principal. Like, it's a parody of a crown or the crown that God might have in heaven Licey. Like, maybe this is the for the prince of Dr. Kness himself. Look both him. There's someone on on ice skates. Like real ice. Get hell is very cold. Here there are there are boats moving in the waterways of hell, the rivers of hell, the sticks or whatever it is. But there's a weird kind of needle nosed dolphins. Sloth monkey guy. Right. Holding a bow. Maybe and bows and arrows, and he's got ice skates. He's skating on the ice of hell. So even though there's distant fires and military campaigns and ruined cities often the distance apparently hell is also not just hot cold getting back getting back to the pooping guide notice that the naked person he's eating the guys, but appears to be exploding in some kind of incendiary fart, sending out sparks and black smoke and flock of birds flock of blackbirds, and then the people he eats are then defecated out in a blue bubble into his throne. And then they fall into a pit in which a figures pooping gold coins. Yes, there's someone else. Barks someone else's park. There's a lot of defecation and e gestion of food is very interested in. I mean, if you're thinking about what unpleasant things might happen in hell seems unpleasant poop is plumbing, though. I don't know if I could put gold coins, I might visit hell where you're gonna spend them John right in the poop hell have mall. We don't even know, but the central figure of hell is the really hard to parse. Male torso. That looks like it's kind of made of wood, except it's the his arms are in boats. He has no legs his arms are in boats. So he's on the water, and they are they appear to be trees with branches trees with branches. And then his you can see inside his torso. It's like he's been chopped in half at the waist gone through an aide cracking machine. He he's follow. He's looking back sort of passively over his shoulder and wearing a weird platter on his head on which creatures board. Well net looks like a bagpipe. So there's not only a giant bag pink bagpipe thing on his head. But also a flag with the same symbol coming out of his torso. Do you see the small bagpipe on a flag? And I think there's a lot of speculation that bagpipes thing we're very funny to people as phallic symbols. It reminds you of. Of genitalia doesn't really but. Yeah. Okay. If you're tests goals were huge, and your penis was small which I don't think is maybe that's what this is really a little too much about her automous. Honestly, the tree man is often said to be a self portrait. We have one supporter of an older boss that looks quite a bit. Like, this wasn't as the pale man is what's going on inside his body. There is a some kind of tavern scene. I mean, you'd think hell would not have a club scene. But there is a table with people sitting around waiting for the beat to drop. They have it looks like they have drinks to me. And there is a somebody's filling a barrel left, but they are not happy. No. It's there in a pub. But they are bump, well, if you've ever really spent that much time in pubs it's realistic British, but then the one other really large of their tons and tons of little scenes if you can spend hours looking there's someone crucified on a harp. So there's a lot of music. Symbols horns and drums, which might suggest kind of the cacophony of health and think how this must be being at guitar center on a Saturday. No stairway. Or it might be that this is what we're seeing is an inversion of all the sensory pleasures of earth. They've all turned bad. Like here we love to hear beautiful harp. But guess what in hell you're gonna get crucified on because look at this choir there. They're all. Below. This giant adventure? Gnome? Here's a huge metro lot of lot of surrealism oversized body parts and objects like shoes turned into boats and metronome the size of few. How Agean more hellish thing than a huge metronome? Just. It's coming back ever. Just. It's like Chinese water torture. You never ever ever get used to it. Look how this choir or band, or whatever it is. There's a guy inside the drum. So he's having a really there's a guy in the basement and having a bad time of and the other people are having to read music that's been apparently tattooed on someone's. But. To figure out how the how the loop part? So it's like you're in a band, but check it out. Yeah. But oh, John you you can tell how awful that would be do. They flip the third. We have to look inside his but to find out. John we often talk about history on Novus. We do things that have already happened. That's true. Because it's very hard to talk about things that will happen. You may get it wrong. But one thing we one thing we do not do is talk about history on the same calendar day of the year on which the events actually happened. You mean like the podcast this day in history class with Eve's Jeffcoat? That's exactly what I'm saying. Every day is a new slice of history from things around the world that happened on that day. It's it's interesting that we we love to think about history that way like what happened is like we're fascinated with their own birth. Yeah. It's like it's the anniversary of this. And it's an excuse every time around the sun to think about something that happened once that maybe we haven't thought of there were only three hundred sixty five days. So you can be assured that something interesting will have happened on every day because this is daily this is a little bite sized information. It's just a few minutes long perfect to catch up with over quick Cup of coffee short commute. Listen to this day in his. Class to learn a little more every day, and you can subscribe on apple podcasts the iheartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts. And there's a lot of other kind of ironic punishments like that going on Bosch is visions of hell are inspired by this medieval genre of a travelogue through. How people would claim to have these visions Dante's the only one that's really survived in popular post on Tare. Pre Dante it's around the same time, and there's no evidence whether or not he ever read Dante, but we know he read the visions of ton Dale an Irish Knight who kind of describes a similar voyage through heaven purgatory. And then how how do we know that is that the Trump is what is or is always talking about butts, the one thing I remember of Hal, and I quit. I think of it. It's full of butts. We know that because he actually painted a version of a vision of tin sundial recognizable and Sunday. I think invented this modern idea of ironic hell like the thing sins that you loved will just be revisited on your twilight zone style. Like in the lower left. We see a gambler at a gaming table. But like the cards are strewn EV. Everywhere. And he's he's just been knifed to the table. He's got a knife through his palm and the game is not going. Well, this woman is torturing him with dice on her head and religious hypocrisy seems to be being called out here. Like there's a at which is kind of daring you'd think maybe this is the Protestant reformation starting to rear its head. But there's a pig in a number habit in lower, right? Do you see her or it and trying to get this guy to science? She's got she's trying to get this kind of sign a document, and the usual interpretation she's trying to get into sign over his earthly goods to the church and thereby save his soul, which is apparently spoilers been ineffective since he's in hell, he's already in hell, and he's he's contracting with a nun pig pig. None is still after him and what's going on with the two giant years with with a knife through them. Yeah. I think so everybody talks about that M on the knife. Like, what is the end stand for people are very into possible. Symbolic Jude feel like in this case, they're not wrong to be seeking some symbolic. This is not conspiracy theory many mainstream. Studies of Bosch is work focuses on what kind of chemical or Astra logical symbolism is going on here are there secret societies of his time being referred to. And so the m was much commented on you know, it could just be in line with the guy on the harp. The cacophony of hell is such that it's a knife through your ears. But recently, I think an m like that has been found on a local, sir Togan Boesch knife from that period. Oh, so it's it's just a maker's Mark. Yeah. And so he was just accurately depicting in amazing detail look at the metronome look at these people to live in this little lamp at right? The objects of his desktop incredible. Super surreal today, we'd call it, hyper realism detail, but they're a weird size. They're interacting with the damned and ominous ways. What else there's this? Lust all the seven sins are condemned. A lot of gluttony condemned with all the barf ING, right? We got this gambler the guy in the drum lust is condemned with this woman sitting at the feet of the prince of hell who is looking at her mere, maybe she's narcissistic she's a an attractive naked woman looking at Amir, but the mirror somebody's button. Oh, that'll get you every time. Now, I remember being exposed to this. Maybe this is kind of an example of how western art is at least in our lifetimes was presented to young people. As like, here's our. Here's our patrimony this our fifty and things, you should know. This is western culture dig it. It's the fact that this painting is full of like horrors and lots of people eating poop and stuff. It's fine for you to look at this. When you're twelve years. Because it's our assumption may be that you cannot actually get a twelve year old to pay close enough attention to art, right? I mean, if it's a big naked lady front and center, you can see. A fifth grader kind of raising eyebrow. But I wonder if at the time, this was regarded as a humorous work, whether the court of Philip the third would sit and go look at this guy what happened to him because it was a time. When there was a lot more. There were a lot more people being eviscerated in the public square. I think there was a lot more connection to poop and viscera and death because it was you know, we live in a time future links where those things are mostly hidden from then abstracted away from class people. Yeah, we have doors that we close. I mean can have you seen a dead body? Only embalmed and out of Ewing at a funeral. Yes. How many two or three? Yeah. I mean, I was with my dad when he died the only other dead person I ever saw because I don't come from a culture of open casket funerals by the time because you guys are always mauled by grizzlies. Yeah, that's right. By the time the funeral happens. There's always a like an easel with a sign that says, we think he's dead. But the case use the sign. That comes up a lot. He was last seen. It's a map. Somewhere in this radius. But I was with my dad when he died in. He was really the first person that I ever saw who was died. There was one time. I stepped over a guy who was in a doorway. This was back when cities were CD in a different way might comeback. We might just be an interactive right of Disney disneyfied city centers. But I stepped over a guy, and as I was stepping because he was just like passed out on the sidewalk as I was stepping over him. I got my God. He's dead. I just feel that he was dead. And but I had somewhere to be I had some drugs to buy. And so I kept going and I came back about fifteen minutes later, and they were loading hymn sheet over his head. So right. So my like crazy feeling was confirmed, which was another example of like that's spooky action in a distance. But I wonder if in this in this era, you could look at this painting. And not obviously, it's a vision of hell. But also a lot of jokes in it. Yeah. I think it is the kind of thing that you would pay big money for because it's where's WALDO for your binge-watching. Like you get a full season of incident. Right. Just by looking at this. And obviously you're in an age like that. We're death is always close at hand. It does explain why people are thinking of heaven Hal and wanting to read tours and travelogues of them because it's it's the way you, and I would think about maybe I'll retired to New Mexico or maybe I'll maybe I'll buy this new house. Look at these pictures, like this might be the next place you live, but Eden on one side and hell on the other those are both small panels, relative to the central panels and theologically, they're not confusing. No, no, no, good. Was everything was good in pure needn't. Everything's going to be bad. If you're not saved and go to hell in the middle. There's this lush park land which gives the painting its modern name in which again, many nude people are cavorting one hundred. Percent or gastric hundreds and hundreds of figures all naked, and you know, you don't see outright intercourse going on. But pretty close pretty close. Look at these two people in the mussel shell guys carrying a giant muscle cell. Shellfish often a symbol for arousal genitalia. Yeah. Do you see this to the? Yes. In the bottom quarter of the painting, kind of below the floating peach. Yes, there's two people in their toe to toe clearly naked the but coming toward you might have something coming out of the but. Bubble or a gem coming out of the bus, maybe old Jumba phone. He's having a good time in his show. There are people writing mystical animals. There's someone writing a Griffin there. There are people writing pigs and go they're writing the men are writing these animals around a central pond wherein kind of nude irons. Nymphs kind of. Wink, coquettish Lee at them. So writing a big muscular animal that you've mounted is probably sexual content big herds of of men riding horses. They're often carrying fishes. They're they're in the pleasures. Just don't end there's giant fish and giant strawberries that people are just taking big bites out of no one is having a bad time. Even there. Couple of people who are dancing with a giant our goal on their heads. There's a guy with a blueberry for a head. But don't seem unhappy. No, they're the people. I will guy has is waving some kind of flat floral cast nets or something. I can't know those were berries. Maybe he's waving giant berries. There are a lot of fish, which I guess in the Netherlands would be like, yeah. Of course, you're going to be like fish the birds and Fisher all kind of human sized, which makes it it really looks like a modern surrealist canvas this kind of mall fantasy are were giant Fisher. Swimming by this kind of maximum Peres looking city, camels ibexes, and again, more of this kind of identified architecture in the background kind of maybe an oriental, lies Dutch guys view of what the cities of India or far cafe or Arabia, Baghdad might look like there's one Nubian woman who is painted with the sort of carbon cinder color someone who's never seen a black. I just like never seeing a giraffe there. There's a few. There's there's another has an apple on her. There's another black person at lower, right? Also with kind of a weird. So there's his he's a man and his his counterpart female is on the other all these white people are gonna hook them up. They're going to be like, oh, I have a black friend over lower. Right. Well, you know, I don't see color. They would be like I'm wearing an apple on my head. Do you know anyone else with where you're descr? I'm describing this figure you and I'm like cherry on his head. You know, I have to say three things. And then I'm like, oh, and they're black. You know, the guy he's the one with the cherry on his head. You said three or four things and you can be like, oh as an afterthought. Oh, he's a he's African Americans tall. He's leading. There's also there's a white men kissing a black woman on the mallards back. In the far left over in bird country. There's there there there's some hot interracial over the now that I'm looking more carefully. There are a couple of dark skin nymphs, maybe more in the fountain. Right. So he is trying to he's saying this is humanity. He's trying to be Representative. There's there's no black people in hell is nice Asian people. But maybe he wouldn't even be aware. Yes of Asia. I think you're are there turbans. Nobody's wearing anything. Right. All the headgear is like now, here's put on an hour to go put put fish on your big fish. So now, let me ask since you seem to know the interpretation of this painting. This doesn't really seem like the earth. I know you've never been here. So in between heaven and hell, this is so yeah, typical view would have even on one side. Hell on the other. And maybe maybe our current time in the middle or a biblical scene between the to the last judgement where the Christ is separating out, the sheep from the goats, right? Are something that is like suggests linear passage time. But what is going on here? Theologically? It's very confusing to us. And maybe there would have been notes. But maybe the fact that there's no other works like this means that maybe it would have seen just as eccentric two of you were back. Then maybe Bosch was just always being like now. Now, you gotta it's all about symbolism, man. But are these people sinning or are they acting in an spirit of innocent? Right. There's a bunch of readings of this, and they kind of re- revolve around that central disagreement. Like are we supposed to think these guys are bad look at this awful orgy? They're having this is a cautionary tale. This is this is a clear eyed view of what civilization really is which is a bunch of naked fish, wear pleasure. Is the worst that that are fallen world has to offer. Or I mean, if if you sing that he's really made it look really fun and attractive, although although hell also kind of fun and away. So maybe his views are not toyed of it less pooping in in earth. Or is it possible that this is some kind of innocent fantasy world we see the fall. Yeah. I mean, we already have eaten before the fall. But is this some like parallel how things could be like this is maybe if Adam and eve had never fallen what if we were in this kind of innocent pleasant land. It's interesting because in the the Edens scene where you would normally find an apple tree as the symbol of the impending fall in this painting, you see a palm tree and no fruit. So the the the kind of the exotic plants are lead to an interesting reading of this whole triptych. We don't know what order he painted his stuff in none of his twenty five or thirty extent works dated. So we. Have to use supposition to guess when he painted each one. This one has pineapple which is a new world fruit. So therefore must come after fourteen ninety two clearly this is from the latter half of his career, and a lot of people who have looked at this kind of idyllic parallel world in the middle are wondering if the discovery of the new world has influenced Bosch like this is the new world. There's an innocent. There's a whole innocent continent out there that doesn't have our troubles. And our, you know, our fallen nature and our religious wars and dumb Kevin pooping in the lake, but it actually has this gorgeous architecture animals, we've never seen delightful physical sensory pleasures of all kinds one hundred percent in the spirit of of its time. The fifteenth centuries sixteenth century people at the at the dawn would have been wondering. Because Columbus comes back and says, well, they don't there aren't a lot of clothes, right? And they do crazy things and people are like. Yeah. People like all let me get to the cities where they're big pink. Bagpipe people want their big golden cities encrusted with jewels where these noble savages live in their Denic clothes Lewis life. So is there. What do we learn from this? What do what do future Ling's take away? I mean when I. Think of this. This is what I imagine their world looks like build the society. They could I mean, maybe they should learn to like leave notes on your paintings. So people aren't all like waiter. These guys are the bad guys. Sometimes I think like I mean, clearly you're seeing Bosch is brain like this was fun for him to draw like he liked Ronald, he's torso Lous frogs with our heads. Are we going around hell, and so he was not troubled by things like the your composition? He just wanted to paint funds. It's the same impulse that leads to the world building in modern prestige TV or epic fantasy funny that you say fun to draw because I always read it as as torture cautionary tale. Well know that he was tortured because these weird guy these drawings are so you know, when you think about outsider outsider art as a modern phenomenon. Most of the time. The people are not recognized in their day and are drawing fantastic figures out of a out of a form of torment. Yeah. I mean, maybe that's the lesson of garner delights. If you're seeing this kind of stuff, please tell you therapist up your dosage. And that concludes the garden of earthly delights entry five one five dot s s zero six one one certificate number one seven zero eight six in the. Future ling's? We sincerely hope that social media has evaporated into. Hot gas from which it's made. Maybe it's been passed down into a bus. She in hell, right. Maybe social media is inside of a bird being eaten by a clam. 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