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Introducing Confronting: O.J. Simpson
"The charges by LA police against O J Simpson in connection with the brutal slaying of his ex-wife. Nicole twenty five year old Roz must switch. Orenthal James Simpson, not guilty of murder. Dear Mr Simpson. Hello. It's me. Kim ron. Goldman sister. I'm sure it's really weird to be getting a letter from me, but for years, I've listened to what everybody else has to say about you lawyers, the media. But never from you. I'm wondering if you would sit down and talk to me. I just wanna understand whatever can be understood. That's a letter that I wrote to the man, I believe, brutally killed my brother. I was declined this interview, but I still feel that need. Do you remember when I wrote though, letter to the killer, asking to see him, I'm going to try to do that again? Try to do it again. Actor you can tell my excitement is the same as last time. It's hard to hear his concern in his voice, but confronting this part of my life is something I still need to do. I want to confront the fear the grief, the anger the loss the shame. I want to ask questions that have never been answered not only of OJ Simpson. But if everyone involved because this crime, this case this trial is changed us forever. Dearly, we're gonna miss. I'll talk to the investigators argue have stand firm, but he didn't plan any glove and nobody planted any others. That's the flat. Ashli. I need to hear from Kato kaylin, who was thrown into the spotlight onto the witness stand becoming tabloid sensation. So we times I've gotten messages of you should have been the guy that was murdered. That makes you go off a while. I'll talk to the witnesses, who were not put on the stand ones who could have possibly altered, the verdict out of the blue, the Bronco almost hit me. O J glared at me, then he yelled, something at me, then finally the Bronco took off. I need to ask the jurors who have had twenty five years to reflect on a decision that shocked. The world faith changed their mind. Thought I'd be sitting here with you face to face as I always told myself that's not gonna happen. And I want to remember and honor, my brother run by talking to the people who knew him before he was just a name a headline was goofball, but he was also cool and calm and confident. I mean, he had some kind of confidence that I think we all wanted. And I wanna talk to the prosecutors to Chris Darden, and Marcia Clark about what they still carry with them after going through the trial of the century. Tributed to you all night, getting the Justice that you deserve. People every time I get interviewed say, Cheney put it behind. You are you over it. I'm never gonna get over it. How do you get over that? This is a tragedy. This podcast will help me confront my story and hopefully help others who find themselves in similar situations confront there's even if it means coming face to face with a monster. Confronting podcast season. One is brought to you by me Kimball men and school studios division of Glasner, tamed group and premieres June twelve twenty nineteen.
4.27.20 Investing in gold; Ideal car buying window; Is the FIRE movement over?; What to do with your old 401k
"I'm so glad you're with us here on the Clark. Howard show where it's all about you and that Walla Yours. I want you to learn ideas to me so you can keep every dollar you got best. Can Our websites cars dot com and Clark Deals Dot Com? Both helping you stretch every dollar right now. So the second version of the payroll protection program is now open again. And there's a bigger focus on the big banks. That did the program all wrong. The first time in some cases committing what may have been criminal acts and who they helped get access to money so thing. It's going to be a little bit easier. Navigating the process this time including non traditional lenders are in the program so no that you've got opportunities that didn't exist the first time around to try to get that money and good luck because I don't know how long this current third of trillion last and I wanna talk to you about something that people turn to in times of uncertainty fear or crisis and I'd say corona virus fits all three of those people have been Almost the point of panic buying gold is. Gold is a hedge in bad times and so the price of gold has been moving up not by huge leaps and bounds but has been going up but there's a distortion in the marketplace right. Now I need to make sure you know. And you're aware of how it plays a new right up from Bloomberg about how people are getting totally ripped off right now. Buying actual physical gold. You know. I'll get a lot of calls from people asking me about the right way. Used by gold and I always talk trash about owning and possessing physical goal and the reason I do is even in normal times. You pay a massive by cell spread possessing physical goal but never more. It is right now. In fact latest data shows that the spread that people are paying above the actual price of gold has tripled in just the last many weeks. So if you are someone who wants to have gold as a hedge. This may be something that you can't get comfortable with. But it's my belief you're much better off buying one of the gold funds then you are buying actual physical goal. What are known as exchange traded funds. Which are things you buy? Like stocks from a discount broker make gold available instead of paying a massive spread. Like right now for a single coin the spread right now is one hundred and thirty five dollars over the actual value of gold. So you're throwing away every time you buy gold coin. Essentially you're throwing away one hundred and thirty five dollars. The value has to rise by at least that much just to be a break even with the money you buy on the other hand if you buy a gold fund where they actually have the gold stored in a vault that you're buying. They're managing it for you. The cost you're paying above the value of gold is so close to zero. It's almost not measurable with the Gold Funds. You end up paying a management fee each year. But it's teensy tiny compared to what's involved in you trying to safely secure your own goal. Typical with the gold find that you pay an annual expense of seventeen one hundredth of one percent which is basically almost free. There are a handful of these that I've recommended over the years. The shares gold trust actually charges point two five percent twenty five basis points or one quarter of one percent of the money. They handle for you in gold to manage it for you. Another one called the granite shares. Gold trusts which you may have heard me talk about before and there's one I've never talked about but it's called the Aberdeen Standard Physical Swiss gold shares. Etf that also is an ultra low cost when it is It's you know not as sizable the I shares. When is the big one of these holding billions and billions of dollars worth of gold? And that's the one that most people be familiar with. But the idea is to buy gold as a find where someone else manages the actual physical storage of it and you can buy and sell will if you own actual physical goal and you WanNa go sell it you then have big fees involved and a buy sell gap at the time you sell it to so it's not easily purchased and sold like one of the funds. Were you ever professional manager doing all that for you? And you don't get the value for each dollar you turn into gold that you would with an ETF in exchange traded fund if you go to invest Oh pedia read about Goldie. It's like the best simple explanation. I know that exists about them. And you'll know what to do and how to do it if gold is something you're thinking of buying but again even in this time of triple uncertainty. I want you to be careful how much money you put into physical goal having too much of your assets and physical gold means that you've lost all confidence in the future of America and the world and I hope your head isn't there and we're alternating with Kevin Joel asking questions you posted for me at Clark Dot com slash. Ask and Kim. What do you have I today I? Today is Jeffrey. Jeffrey says a lot of companies have their employees working from home right now and that includes financial companies. How do I know that my personal information is safe and that these financial companies have the proper security procedures in place? Is there anything I should be doing? My 401k is down enough on its own great questions so financial companies are all using VPN virtual private networks which in theory should make the ability for remote worker communicating across their internal network safe. And I say in theory because it seems that data breaches have been such a part of modern life even before corona virus even before remote working. But I am comfortable and confident one thing. I would tell you to do though is with any financial account. Check your balances Well pretty regularly. So if you historically just wait for a statement show up right now maybe you want to check them. Once a week not to obsess say why should I buy this or sell this just to make sure everything that's supposed to be there? Is there to put your worries at rest? Joe Clark? David says I'm curious. Why are we only allowed to transfer money from savings checking account six times a month? Yeah so that. Bizarro rule was one designed so that banks could fee- you to death and that rule has been put aside at least for now and so you are allowed to move money back and forth as much as you want without paying those fees. So here's the thing though. You generally don't want your savings at where your checking account is for a number of reasons but let's start with the most important one that typically if you have your savings at the same place you have your checking account. That is a convenience. Move on your part and the bank. Gouge you for it. They end up paying. You virtually zero percent on the interest on the money. You have in savings. So there's virtually no difference at most banks between what you earn in a checking account typically zero and a savings account which is almost zero. So what you would be better served to do is have your savings with an online bank. You could also have your check it online bank if you wished but at least your savings in an online bank you link it to your physical bank or Credit Union. The savings account you have in our online bank and you can move money back and forth typically over a two day window so it doesn't mean virtual instantaneous movement of money but it means that you're going to earn far more on your savings then you would leaving it with having your savings at the same place. You have your checking account Kim. Hey Clark this is a follow up from last week from the mother. I believe that was thinking about her daughter. Getting a job at one of the grocery delivery companies and Suzanne says Clark so often love your recommendations but I worry about your claim that the risk for young people of death from Cova nineteen is miniscule. We're still learning about the post recovery effects including pneumonia. Blood clots end stroke. It's about so much more than just mortality rates. I appreciate that very much. An anytime you talk about from any illness that people could have an you talk coldly about the stats and the risks and all the rest it will cost over consequences that people might suffer. That are short of dying and it is true that one of the shocking things for medical personnel. Been people who came in completely healthy is young. People Develop Corona virus and have had terrible terrible health problems short of death. And that's a fact. It's also true that when you look at the big picture the reality is that the risks are far far greater for people past age fifty than they are for people younger and as you move up each five years from age fifty the risks for both long term health consequences for people who survive and the possibility of death for people every five years past age. Fifty just keeps going up exponentially and passed about age seventy five the consequences of corona virus and the potential loss of life or gigantic. So when you hear me talk in what I guess can come across as cold terms about as states more and more release people back into work and allow various business to open. Is We do this opening up. It is logical that people that are younger and don't have pre existing conditions are under far less health risk then people that are older and those that have pre existing conditions. It doesn't mean there won't be people that will end up with terrible health consequences that are younger. It's just the odds of that are so much lower Joel clerk. Karen says since no one is any professional sports these days are any of the cable. Companies offering refunds or temporary discounts on their sports packages. Fun You are a comedian. Maybe you should be doing a comedy routine on Youtube. No none of the cable monopolies are giving one penny back for the fact that they charge so much of your monthly bill for sports programming. That does not exist right now. No they are holding onto every penny and it's one of those cases where there's an enormous advantage to you dumping traditional pay TV and going to streaming services because among the streaming services there are choices available that are very inexpensive that are not sports oriented but have the other kinds of programming. Win Sports again to play again. If you are sports oriented you can then switch which streaming service are which Which level of a streaming service you have so you can get that programming again and by the way it seems increasingly likely that baseball will resume or will play. It's twenty twenty season in stadiums with no fans and I don't know Joel. You're a big baseball fan. I don't know if you saw what happened. In Taiwan that they are putting fake people in the stands there cardboard cutout. I saw that a people in the stands so that his people watch on television. It doesn't look like they're playing in an empty house. It's time for today's Clark Crave. That's where we look at. Great things are positive things happening in a time that the news is so distressing. I want you to know there's great stuff going on all around us. I WANNA start with an item. There was something someone posted on our social media. And I'd love for you if you know about a business or an individual doing really great things to let me know by posting it and this was about a bakery in south central Ohio. That is delivering cupcakes to everybody who is having a birthday within their retail trading zone. And it's really fun that to think about right now when nobody's really having things that celebrate these particular milestones in your life like a birthday or a wedding anniversary or something like that that simply decadent in south central. Ohio is making sure that people have that special moment with these birthday. Cupcakes being delivered. Contact free you know where they're protecting people from illness dropping off and then a story. That is such a big deal. All around. The world is a ninety nine year old British World War. Two Vet has raised twenty two million dollars for health workers. Twenty two million. And he's done this by getting the word out there and he's still active walking around on his Walker and he wants people giving money so that doctors and nurses have the protective equipment that they need that. They're in a position to be of service to their fellow. Citizens who may be stricken by Corona virus and on love all the efforts many of which will never be publicized that are going on all around the United States and all over the world to help out each other during this tough time for us as humans all over the globe. Glad you're with us here on the Clark Howard. Show where it's about your empowerment with knowledge. So you can save more. Spend less and don't let anyone ever rip you off or websites. Clark Dot Com and Clark deals dot com. Well we're updating them around the clock seven days a week our team on both websites working very very hard to get information you that helps you stretch every dollar right now and I want to talk about some may seem counterintuitive. Why would I talk about you buying a vehicle right now? Well vehicle sales are down by huge percents and at the same time. Somewhere around three quarters of us that are employed. Look like we're GONNA continue to be employed and of that three quarters. The overwhelming percent are not in danger of even later this year facing layoff because the type of work you do so vehicle sales depending on who stats. He believe a fallen fifty five to sixty percent and as state's open up over the next couple of weeks more and more vehicle. Dealers are going to reopen many will continue to offer contact free purchasing and trade ends of new and used cars. But I will tell you. It's a horrendous time to train and a vehicle Values of used vehicles are down by. What is a huge amount of money? In how the car business works where quarter of a point move in the value of vehicles were considered to be large right now. Use vehicles are down around eleven percent. That is a giant decline in the average value of a used vehicle. New vehicles piled up on dealer watts before factories closed. Automobile factories are reopening before dealers have actually been able to truly go back into business selling so there's a big overhang of new vehicles. There's a big oversupply of used vehicles. Pluses I shared with you about lease vehicles coming back into fleets in huge numbers every week because automakers push leases so much three years ago it means. There's a window of opportunity for buying a new or used vehicle. That will likely go on over the next ten weeks probably till just a little after the fourth of July best estimate so may June early July. It's going to be a great time for people who are in the market for a vehicle whether it is new or used now use vehicles having the kind of drop in value. They've had is so unusual in. That has a double benefit when you buy a used vehicle. The first owner has absorbed a lot of the initial value of that vehicle because values drops so quickly early on that you're then in a position to buy a vehicle where a lot of the initial value has been absorbed. You're buying down the curb. Where the amount of value that the vehicle declines each year is much smaller and now with the currently depress prices on used vehicles. Even better for you now. I still want you to have a used vehicle. Inspected by a mechanic of your choosing and that is something that is more difficult right now but it is something that's just is necessary as always and be really solid on what a good value would be for that used vehicle by using the car pricing tools that I explained on my US vehicle buying guide at Clark Dot Com Finance. That used vehicle had a credit union. Interest rates are very low right now and used vehicles but is always the lowest they ever are is at credit unions. If you're going to buy new situation that has not been true in about twelve years. Is that your best financing may actually be from the dealer if the manufacturer has to be sponsored by the manufacturer is offering zero percent financing on buying a new vehicle so you have the potential possibility of getting zero percent and getting a very good price. But it's ultra important for you. To comparison shop dealer. Now are much more focused on how to do. Electronic pricing quotes. Do you where they're online sales operations. That were something they most dealers were very reluctant about. They understand today. That's how most sales are going to take place so it's the easiest it's ever been for you to comparison shop by getting price quotes dealer to dealer. Make sure on any price quote you get by email that you get from them all junk fees that are involved in purchasing the vehicle often dealers will pull a con on you with L. Quote you a price on a vehicle and then you think that's your price and then it turns out there's another eight hundred dollars in junk fees or who knows what other charges see you want. What historically has been called drive out price that's price including the purchase of the vehicle all drunk fees and taxes. So you're comparing the same pricing from place to place that you're getting quotes from and the way we're answering your questions right now. Is I want you to post questions for me. It Clark Dot com slash ask them producers Chem Joe or alternating. Asking your questions for you. And WHO's up now. It's me this is cam and this question is a follow up on cars. It's from Michael. He says that I advertise my car for sale on a popular website. Recently and now I'm receiving inquiries I'm ready to start. Providing test drives not sure how to do that safely also not sure how to safely sell the vehicle and transferred the title if the DMV is closed. Do you have any suggestions? Yeah this is messy right now and You may be jumping the gun on selling that vehicle as a private seller. I think there's an advantage to you waiting till dmv reopens. I think you're going to see. Dmv's around the country reopen in the next few weeks there's a clear trend around the United States for various activities to reopen in phases through the month of May and so it may be to your advantage to wait just a couple of weeks before you proceed on test drives. There is no easy way to test drives where you know they're going to be completely germ free and would be reasonable that you would require the anybody test driving. Be Wearing gloves is. They're doing a test drive if you're going to turn over the keys to them that normally what people are doing is they're putting the keys on the roof of the vehicle keeping safe distance and the individual should at the time. They're getting ready to do the test. Drive should send you a a a text of your of their driver's licence. So that you at least have that you know there are situations where someone comes to test drive a vehicle in the last thing you see the tail lights of your vehicle is the person drives away. Fortunately that's a very rare thing but it's good for you to lease snow. Who is in your vehicle? You have a copy of the driver's license of that individual and Kim. I wish I could be more specific with that. But that's the best I can do right now. So let's go to Joe. And what question do you have? Clark we got one from. Sean says first off. Thank you for all the help during this crisis I've been listening diligently to each podcast recently. I've been furloughed due to Kobe. Nineteen I've been trying to modify my loan terms on my mortgage with my big bank for the past month. They've offered me a forbearance agreements. Horrible it also says that they report to the credit agencies. I've filed a complaint with the. Cfp Is there anything else I can do so? I don't know if your loan is indirectly behind the curtain back by Federal Agency. Almost all mortgages are the lender involves. Sounds like they're not following the guidance but on the forbearance what lenders seem to be doing and I've been reading more and more about the guidance. The lenders are getting from the The federal regulators is. They're issuing initially either three month or six month forbearance periods saying it. I that there will be a lump sum due at the end of the period. Unless that's not trying to remember the exact wording I read it. There's supposed to be reading a specific phrase to you which means less that doesn't work for you. Basically and then they negotiate either an extension of your loan or a payment plan on the months that have been missed. That's the guidance from the regulators and remember the regulators in this case are also the people behind the curtain who back those loans. So it's one in the same essentially in the procedures are supposed to be the same whether your loan is still in the hands of the original lender who made it to you or if it's in the hands of soon loan servicer they you send your payments to each month on the thing about the credit bureaus reporting you negatively the credit bureaus. That's not how this forbearance is supposed to work. It could be that the individual you're talking to didn't know the real story but that is the right thing you did by filing point with consumer finance dot Gov and everybody's kind of feeling their way on this because the wenders don't want to be doing this and are trying to be as passive aggressive as they can with borrowers when they call as they can be. Kim. Ron Says I bought my home. He's in California in two thousand eighteen and it has appreciated one hundred twenty thousand dollars since then. Wow and now should I sell it now? Prior to a collapse of the real estate market and then I can buy at a lower price point once the dust settles I could potentially get a better deal on a home if they're turns out to be a lot of foreclosures in my area and from the unemployment numbers. It appears that that will happen so as best. I can tell. We're not going to see any kind of repeat of two thousand seven eight nine with the housing bust and all the foreclosures. There were completely different circumstances then. They were an enormous number of houses. That were actually unoccupied. That had been built. They were owned by speculators. We don't have any circumstance like that now. And even with the hardship people are experiencing. The reality is that we aren't going to be in an economic freeze for years. It's going to be measured in months. So the prior question about forebearance wins right into this conversation. A lot of people that are unable to make their mortgage payments now as not necessarily going to be the case as we move through the year. So I don't we don't have an overhang of supply and we don't have a situation that looks like we're going to have a massive wave of foreclosures so if you like where you're living you have that gain their you're thinking hey and squeezes gain out of this by selling it. I would tell you better to to enjoy living in that house. Let's wait awhile and see what actually does happen with the economy. But I don't foresee a mass wave of foreclosures Joe Clark Francis says what should I do if I think I gave my personal information to scammers recently? I wish I could undo it. Yeah so first things first if you don't have your credit frozen that's the most important thing for you to do. If your information is now in the hands of scammers you do the most you can to limit the havoc. They can cause by putting credit for uses in place with Equifax Trans Union inexperienced. What that does is it makes it more difficult for somebody to to trade on information of yours and by things or get credit using your information so at Clark Dot Com. You can go to my credit for guy just put credit freeze in the search box. Get the ADS and will pop up and then click on my freeze guide and you can get your credit frozen about fifteen minutes to prevent further harm if you gave somebody information that you think leads to access to any of your existing accounts then you need to contact your bank or whoever it would be credit union and you may need to have them put in place special procedures or change account numbers for you moving forward and with credit card companies. That's the automatic. If criminal has anyway access to credit card number you need to immediately have them issue a new credit card for you with a new account number. So we're answering your questions on the Clark Howard show differently than we normally would with producers Kim and Joe Alternating asking questions you posted at Clark Dot com slash. Ask and Kim. What you got for me. This is from Jackie. She says Hi Clark. I think I heard you recently advised that we would be wise to take our money from big banks and put it into smaller banks and credit unions but a friend of mine that works in bonds suggested the exact opposite saying that smaller banks are riskier because they invest in the now faltering bond market and if they banks tank the big banks would be the first on the list for bailouts. What did you think well? It's interesting because this is a different flavor of a question that I took last week about whether someone should take their money out of a small bank and put it in a big one because the possibility your bank failures. So there's not conditions that look ripe for a series of bank failures of bigger small or credit unions. There will be more than we've had in recent years we've had virtually zero but there's nothing that says the banking industry is structurally unstable and the banks are going to fail in any significant numbers. But the other thing is that your accounts are insured for a quarter million dollars by the FDIC for a bank or NCUA FOR CREDIT UNION. And this is full. Federal backing of deposits up to a quarter million. So there is no risk to your money at any federally Insured Institution Bank or Credit Union and. I believe that you get better treatment. And you get better deals with online banks. Small banks and credit unions. And that's why I like for you to look at them. Joe Joe says I'm hearing talk that the Fed may consider negative interest rates in the near future. I'm fortunate enough to have two years of expenses in a savings account right now but afraid to go negative. I don't WANNA PAY FOR SAVINGS. No matter how little the cost. So what am I supposed to do with my cash? Holdings if this happens so interesting question about the negative rates historically where the world is seen negative rates. It tends to be opposite of normal. Thanks tends to be big players. Big Institutions that ended up getting negative rates on their money not as often individuals. I don't see anything on the horizon where particularly the online banks. I was just referring to or credit unions would charge you in order to hold your savings for you. I think we're a long way off from anything like that. Being a big concern the podcast normally would end here but because of the unusual circumstances wherein we have additional content that we recorded earlier today that I'd like you to have access to and this will continue day by day as long as the events warrant. There's a movement in the United States called fire. It's very controversial for reasons. I don't know but it stands for financial independence retire early and people who are into the fire movement have gotten a really bad rap saying that they're spoiled brats wanting to can work extra early. The reality is the first two letters of the most important F. I. Financial Independence Smart About Being Lazy. Not Working once you have. Financial Independence is about making the choices. You wish to make with your life. Well a lot of people's plans to have financial independence have been sidelined by corona virus. Maybe they've lost their job. Maybe the money they've been saving they've invested now is worse substantially less. Maybe as many people are into fire had a lot of them have rental properties and they have tenants who are not paying rent or only paying partial rent so people saying see see. We said that movement stupid. No actually think of it this way. As I've mentioned in the past in many Asian countries people save roughly thirty percent to a third of what they make is just the way people have lived the United States. We have not been a country of savers in a long time. Americans used to save going back. Mid last century. Americans saved a third of what they make. We don't do that kind of thing anymore. But the reality is when hardship hits when tough times occur whether it's the great recession or it's this time with Corona virus or many other times in the past those whom live with little to no debt and live on half of what they make end up in a position where they are financially secure. Even when hard times do come. You're GONNA find that. A lot of the companies that survive corona virus are the ones that did not borrow money and kept good reserves in cash on hand and allow them to ride out tough times. So one thing. I hope that turns out to be a good thing. Following this terrible time that we face both healthwise and financially from Corona virus is that Americans of all types and American companies will all really live with the virtue of living on less than what comes in and not being crazy about borrowing money. The less you borrow the stronger and more secure it makes you even in tough times. And here's something else I wanted to talk about today. Do you know that most Americans if they've save money. It's generally going to be an a retirement plan at work. Most often a 401k. So now depending on where you live in the country. There's a one in five or one in four chance the you're out of work right now. Your income has pretty might ceased. Many people either already have started receiving unemployment compensation or will and the unemployment compensation that people receiving because the federal overlay is the largest. We've ever had ever in a time of unemployment in the United States. But that's not going to last forever. Typically the longest last is thirty nine weeks the federal special overlay is for four months. And so when you're sitting there wondering how am I gonNA pay bills. It's really tempting when you lose your job when you got laid off to look at taking that 401k. And using it and you've gotten a green light from the various stimulus laws that have been passed Khoza krona virus the wave certain punitive penalties. That are involved with pulling money out of a 401K. Up to one hundred grand you can pull out and pay no normal federal penalty which is ten percenters ten grand that one hundred and normally you're going basically immediately for twenty twenty federal income tax on all the money that you pull out so it's a brutal level attacks that cost the average taxpayer somewhere around forty percent and then you may oh state taxes as well so it's a lot of money the US tax but right now you can pull the money out not paid the penalty and the tax bill is spread over three years. And and if you get back on your feet because corona virus isn't forever and you can afford to you can pay back and whatever you pay back into your 401k plan. There's no tax no penalty. So it's made extra tempting and made people feel like there's a green light to go grab your 401k. Money so think of it as a priority of needs the 401K. Money uses a tool that is available to you but not as an early tool so if you do establish eligibility for unemployment compensation then ride that and hopefully sometime in the thirty. Nine weeks is what it is in most states. You will get back on your feet with a job or you'll be called back to the job you had but if time stay desperate and you run out of other ways to handle this and what you're left with is pulling money out of the 401K. Then that could be a step you take but before that negotiate forbearance with your mortgage company. If you're a Renner seaview can get some kind of relief on your rent. Take advantage of the credit card programs that allow you temporary payment holidays if available from Card Issuers. You have another words. I'm putting the 401k. Borrowing Way Way way down the priority list even though you have this special green light to do it. You're listening to the Clark Howard show. Thanks for joining us today. The car coward show is produced by Kim droves Joel Lars Guard Debra Reese and gem airs and remember twenty four hours a day. We're there to serve you Clark. Dot Com and CARD DEALS DOT COM.
In 2019, Jazz Reckoned With Old Boundaries, and Marched Past Them
"Uh to the New York Times. PODCAST is a new decade and we are your tiny bird under a big blanket amused criticism. I'm euros Junqueira. Monica uh-huh. I say it's a new decade and yet we're still slightly living in the last decade. We are here in early January but we are wrapping up our twenty nine hundred nine coverage looking back at the last twelve months jazz and maybe the last ten years and maybe the next ten years you were. Just listening to Nikki's Bob that is on the Topeka meeker record record called old new and that is the number one record of twenty nineteen. I'm on Jazz. Records between nineteen for Martin Johnson Martin's. Here what's up man Lou Walking Long Martin. I've known Martin for a long time. Haven't seen him in a long time. Martin covers jazz for Jazz Times on the wall. Street Journal Jeers here was up Geo from the page of the New York Times. Do you just come in Tan and fresh and and just just glowing. Yeah right off of vacation exactly so the talk about what's on the last twelve months and we're also gonNA talk as we really should. We should do it more than once a year to be honest but at least once a year about the bigger movements that are shaping the world of jazz so we started off with Martin's number one record. Tell me a little bit about this album. On a micro static level well and then also bigger picture was represented. Well for me. What this album represented was if you wanted to pick one record and I have other endeavors where our people know that I write about jazz? So they'll come and say what's going on in jazz if you listen to this record in wanted to know what was going on in jazz in two thousand nineteen. This would tell tell you a lot because a whole lot of things that have happened gradually over the last many decades a represented in this record. First of all the ensemble SOMBO is unusual. But it's very very life fluid. The Guitar player Mary Halvorsen. Who won a macarthur? This here is on it. Drummer are Toma Fujiuwara and the Bass player Jason Rep G. It's a phenomenal group. They've been together. Even though this is only their second record they have been playing together for six or seven years. I now and there's that level for poor and also because it's not a horn and rhythm section type situation. You have a base a cello guitar in a drummer. You have a lot of dynamic movement. Sometimes the cello and guitar out front and the Bass and drums are in their customary rhythm role. Sometimes the rhythm is created by guitar and drums. And you have bass and cello. Maybe Arco maybe not doing doing things it moves all over in terms of. Who's in the foreground? Who's in the background? And it also as such moves very very organically into group improvisations. So it's not just solo head Solo head that we come to expect from Jazz. It really reflects a lot of thought a a lot of compositional innovation that has gone on in Jazz. I mean there are group's where its head Solo in advancement of the head or something else altogether other you know and there are these kinds of things that go on in this group. I thought it was really really representative of it and I thought it represented really good presentation of a musician who has been a vital part of both New York and Chicago scenes for almost twenty years now Topeka read. I think is building toward that moment where she gets kind of within the demimondaine jazz some sort of universal recognition as a phenomenal. No player a you know for lack of a better word the genius that she is Geo this record resonate for you Humongous I completely agree with everything. Martin sang and I feel like there's that element of not in determination but just Disoriented transcendent listening that you can get into. When as you mentioned the instrumentation little unusual the roles that each instrument is being invited to play are super broadly defined? So you're listening to an album of love sound but that's about all you know right so then you just have to say okay. I buy in do what you're GONNA do. I don't have any expectations. What's is GonNa do for me? You know and and what it turns out that this record does. Is it quickens your pace it really like kind of seizes you rhythm. All through and through it's also the texture and the grain reign of the instruments. I mean it's acoustic music very very much. You hear and feel that shallow for all of its capabilities whether she's playing pizzicato whether she's playing Arco. Oh you know walking a line and then taking that walk line and making it a rhythmic. There's so many different directions you can go. What's beautiful is that it's firmly firmly ensconced in the president because you wouldn't have these rhythms necessarily exactly as they are thirty or forty years ago in American music? But there's an ancient quality to it it. I relate this a lot to the kinds of hip hop that we hear from more lo fi producers like mad Lib Roz g who he lost last year who themselves are doing a sort of ancient thing. That's very much about everything is in that James Brown way a rhythm instrument but it's also got got a texture and grain and a melody element to it may be whether it's the cello guitar or the Bass or in the case of rows g some kind of exploding ambiguous sound. That is more than just rhythm can ask a sort of naive question because I feel like this is a thing. I've thought a lot about a lot in the nineties as far as feedback loops between the jazz ecosystem and the bobby system and I feel like they were heavy for a long time. They kind of faded at least coming from my perspective which is the outsider perspective and for those core listening if you're the type of podcast listener that doesn't like to hear me talk. This is going to be a great episode for you. Are there any. Yeah there's like I got an email. There's like wine as I don't know what to say that but anyway this is your episode. a are those feedback loops. Are they stronger now. And if so are they functioning functioning differently than they did two decades ago. Well they're much stronger now. I'm not entirely sure how they are functioning differently. I think I'm not saying I don't know they are different. I mean I know that there are different but I don't know if it's that they're they're functioning the same in a completely different universe where we're at or they're functioning different you know whether both elements the timeframe and the way they function are different. I mean I do think that it's one of these things. Where if year a thirty two year old musician in nineteen ninety five the odds that you grew up listening to hip hop or not as potent? As if you're a thirteen year old musician in twenty nine hundred of course if you're even forty year old musician today hip hop has ben part of your accepted reality in much the same way that you might receive Dwayne Allman Guitar Solo Short. You will also receive Steve Pete Rock Beats and I think from a macro historical standpoint like jazz spent a Lotta time in particular eighties and nineties and early two thousands bolstering during its credentials and bolstering the systems by which it was passed on and those tended to be academic and those tended to be above board it. It was basically to make that a little bit. You know more direct. There was a lot of money and time and Ernest investment. Put into making sure that there were great. Jazz studies studies programs across the country. And they're great jazz academies across country and there were opportunities for kids to learn music things with an eye to the fifty year plan exactly and into the cultural legacy of this music and establishing that there were certain roic that had gone down in history. That wouldn't be forgotten. Wouldn't be lost at the same time time. It served to divide the music from popular culture and a lot of ways. It served to say that like okay learn these fundamentals as a text `institution music exact thing Music and released in those beautiful thing about that is that you can learn that and then you can integrate it into something a little bit more natural and a little bit more integrate itself uh-huh and that's where we're at right now. I mean there's nobody who's really making this music in a serious way and communicating with listeners. That's just satisfied to stay in the academic side. It's really tumbling all out. And together. In spotify universe where like Martin was saying the amount of access that we have is just astronomical terms of our history history recent history long history. I mean whether it's allowing lomax recording or it's a razzie record. It's all there for you as a creator and the greatest musicians are drawing from all of it speaking of someone working in the academy but also outside we talk about your number one. Go what album is that is his called diatoms ribbons by Chris Davis. Although maybe it's not Diet Diana Diet Tom. We don't we don't know we're not quite sure but you know it's one of those emails if you know so let's listen to a little bit of Corn Creek. And this is Chris Davis with Terri Lynn. Carrington and VAL Gianatti they could put yup it So jio one of the things that I was struck by listening to this record and I think this record was a little tough for me to access but the kind of I don't WanNa say collision in but the the bringing together of people who at least based on your writing about this record maybe ordinarily wouldn't be in the same room. Been in the same room. Can you tell me a little bit about these choices so Chris Davis herself is a piano player. WHO's been on the rise in New York for the last fifteen twenty years me too? I've also been the last fifteen or twenty years contrast I'm falling. I'm trust me. I'm right behind you see on the way down. So she's she's every jazz enthusiasts big curiosity right about now okay. What is her next move? And usually she's got multiple next moves She's playing on six different people's projects at once. She's got a couple of her own things going. She in the last few years started a record label. That is what she put this album amount through. She's faculty at Berkeley. She's a faculty member at Berkeley. Her qualifications are many. And I'm sure I'm leaving some off. But what matters most is that she has this distinctive but also extremely hard to pin down or define way of playing the piano that also also becomes a way of composing and it's really built around a atomic approach. Which is where I think she got the the name for the album? Where shall build little phrases? And then she'll explode them or recast them in a different key but you'll always without realizing it necessarily early be hearing some kind of motive effect over and over and over. And that's why it was so brilliant for her to work with the musician whose not often associated with the avant-garde Tailing Carrington the drummer bummer. Who has her own way of? I like to think of it as like a prison. Matic way of drumming which is like she'll be playing a funk groove but then she'll turn turn it on its side a little bit and it won't be okay. Let me play this groove until you're deeply hypnotized by it'll be like let me disrupt the hypnosis return. That's something that she gets through a long lineage but I think especially from Jack. Dj Her big mentor. And then Val Gianatti. WHO's is the turntable list on? This record brilliant Haitian sort of I guess you could call are conceptual turntable list. I mean she's really got her own approach and she uses is is samples on this record often of spoken word elements from I would. I shouldn't call it spoken word. Because it's not really poetry samples from interviews and statements from people especially Levine C. N. The composer who's on this particular track and seasonal Taylor the pianist and composer who is a big influence on. Chris Davis Piano playing particularly that kind of heavily rhythmic material style. I was talking about so it's an awesome. Blige it's funk rhythms uh-huh on both the drums and the piano kind of screwed up in messed up it's weird avant-garde playing whether that's actually done by the basis trevor done or war by the samples on the turntable. It's a lot of commingling of musicians from different worlds because the core trio's what you mentioned Carrington Tin Jonty and Davis but there's also a couple of saxophone players who don't usually play together jd. Allen Tony Mallaby. There's the oven guard guitarists nels cline line and Margarita Marco. Thank you Chad. Smith is a percussionist is here on vibraphone. Mostly think as spalding does vocals recites a beautiful garden numbers palm and it's just so many different things coming together and it's a reminder of something that I hope we can get back to later when we talk about a peace Martin recently put on his personal site about Jason. Moran's thing at the Whitney this past year. which is that jazz is an has forever ever been a music of mixing an assemblage? And that means not only that different source materials being drawn on like we were talking about before. But but also that different people get to exist in their own fullness and in communion at the same time or and that in also in in as we had spoken about previously not strictly musically to me the significance of this record and the thing that made me think a lot about this record was if this record had been done ten in years ago you would purely get the Chris referencing cease all Taylor Circa a Keesa silent tongues and the early seventies hitters this phrase. Here's this phrase again. Here's this phrase summit extracted and on in there is that but there's so much more and I I think that's a reflection of the times there's such a great ambition on Davis's part and I think it kind of it kind of plays with her dynamic flow of her discography. I mean she does this record where she's doing both a song. Duet and improvised with many different improvisers is irs. And she's still in a straight piano duet record with Craig table where they do some of his some of Hers Carlo Blais Asandra that sort of thing. Yeah it's you know. It's almost like big production. It's just trim. Now here's something more ambitious again but still in all Davis enormously important and player on the scene and again one of these people were you know. It's a far more complicated answer. What does jazz sound like? Twenty nine thousand nine hundred. Listen to Chris Davis problem is you you be running around a lot. I mean I liked you know I love this record but you know my Chris Davis moment happened hearing her as a side woman. She was in the Jonathan Blake. Group that Blew everybody away at the vanguard and she was playing Friday Saturday Sunday after David guerrillas on Tuesday went which struck me as. WHOA can? I just set up a Futon back here right and writing to me about that week at the vanguard and maybe any other last year I saw Sunday night at one the beauty of a village fan type gig or a multi night engagement is that the performances evolve set after set after set. I was there for the second can set on Sunday night and there was a moment toward the end. Where each musician sort of takes a solo command and Desmond? Douglas that basis had done his and started into this slightly Gospel leave Memphis funk thing and then it turns into Chris Davis turn and end. Everybody almost stopped because the band wanted to hear what she was going to do to and she played totally into the House and then brought it into her style and it was amazing. I love what what you said about the fact that her ambition just continues to grow and I like that this record allows us to think about personal ambition as not just a personal thing because Ashur ambition grows. She's done something really smart and I think really of the moment which is to expand your network along with ambition and to expand her interdependence her independence on other collaborators and other people with ideas as opposed to just putting it all on her shoulders. And I think that's deeply a part of the jazz ethic and as we move away from AH TEXT ORIENTED AND ACADEMY ORIENTED IDEA OF JAZZ which says here the great figures here. The great ideas have your own to you know. Study that stuff so you can be you you you it says no actually it's a huge an amorphous tumbling history of communities and collaborations and just free a yourself to depend on those around you and to depend on the tradition. And don't say you need to be the next great what you know say what did that. Ah Context of invention feel like back. Then and how can we emulate. Something is today if you look eighty ninety years ago you had. Jazz seems developing being independently in New Orleans Chicago Kansas City. That sort of thing in you have it again today. Yeah I mean part of the fun of going to the Detroit Jazz Festival or the Chicago Jazz Festival estival or what Hyde Park. Whatever you know whatever locale you go to Isn't too heater the same sort of concert. You might hear at Jazz at Lincoln Center words to hear all the local cats. Yeah because they're on their own thing. Yeah because it seems in context more than its individual figures You guys are walking me right into the Jason. Jason Moran thing you walk in just a me right into it. So marinas worked across discipline with a variety of artists. One of whom is Adrian Piper. Correct tell me about what they've done together. Anyone jump on Moran has collaborated with a number of artists Piper. Carrie May weems Karen Walker Joan Jonas. He is sought these collaborations and he's kind of illicit other people to engage in this dialogue log to Y'all know about the facebook ten right where you get tagged by somebody who wants and you're supposed to name ten albums that were meaningful for your teenager feature will Moran Plays The facebook ten by saying name ten artist are ten paintings or ten installations I've gotten tagged twice by heaven. I'm like at time for this first of all everybody gets facebook. Let's listen to. Let's listen before we get into the specifics of the exhibit. Let's listen to WHO Jason Moran with injuring by Virtue. Yeah this is a piece that he did with her. I don't know if we should call the tuner. What many years ago but feels newly relevant Adrian Piper who are self had a great retrospective show a couple years ago at the Whitney? They've been working together. She's sort of one of the couple. Conceptual Artists Joan. Jonas being the other who really unlocked for him His own relationship to conceptual art as a tunnel into jazz history jazz thinking and this particular piece is called breakdown and it's a really great great example of their collaboration. Great listen to break down barriers. Now misunderstanding the art world. The general public bring this bring out bring tension and bring down right now understanding right now Now now now now right down the right now you it so if you had the chance to be in New York or I guess in a couple of Cities Minneapolis. So Jason Moran Columbus just concluded at the Whitney Museum Exhibition that kind of engages with some. I'm the ideas that we've been talking about. Jason Moran has been around for a very long time a piano player and he has had a kind of sustained engagement with artists in other media and this exhibition thinks about music but really thinks about music and conversation and how it could be reflected through and reflected within other art forms and through other artists practices. Go can you tell me a little bit about what the room was like. Tell the people rather because I was there. Don't tell me I I saw it. They do that yes I didn't get to go to performances unfortunately but But I I dig at checkout the exhibit but can you explain for votes who didn't get to see it how it was set up and what the principal especially coming out of what we were talking about. Contexts that's really resume. Jason Yes Jason Moran as you mentioned is this pianist who is now entering into his third decade as a bandleader of no in New York still feels very very much on the cutting edge of. What's going on this exhibition? which as you mentioned traveled across the country and came to the Whitney in the fall involved three installations that he he had? I built. I think the two of the three hit I built for the Venice. Biennale a few years ago they were re-creations not quite life-sized but big enough to step into to literally of old jazz stages from New York City. There was the Savoy ballroom. There was slug saloon and there was the three deuces. All of those from different time periods. Exactly the Savoy is from the swing era in the thirties forties. Three DEUCES is from the BEBOP era which directly followed then slug saloon. It's from the Seventies. Really sort of the heyday of post BOP avant garde in New York City. But that wasn't it he also had what he would call. I think drawings that were made through a variety of means some of them were picking up the residue of his fingertips on the keyboard and created what looked looked like a David Hammons basketball. Drying they were long and thin the length of the keyboard exactly so it is quite literally the the remnants exactly and and then there were some video installations including one that lasted for. I think it was six hours and that was done with Stan. Douglas the conceptual artist I was in its own little room. It takes a while to explain. Maybe Martin can explain it for us a little later but it was sort of a rendering of what miles house Davis live evil sessions. I think we're like that can seventies but then turned into their own experience. The bottom line is just. The Jason Moran is putting Jazz has into conversation in a bolder and bigger way then. Many people have done before with other mediums of artistic expression. But but it's not just that he's saying conceptual artist as well as a musician and I like to work across media. 'cause that's something that we can grasp now people do. But he's saying that when you you do that you get a lot more physicality your body is in this space with this present experience whether that's listening to a recording that you can then actually actually kind of see the visual element Accompanying it or whether it's okay. I'm stepping into a quote unquote sculpture. That's actually jazz. Staged that actually carries decades of history mystery within it and that can also be activated in the present moment by a band playing and you which is when you wrote about it you saw about in starting on one stage in one style stepping living off into another stage yet and adjusting the Fleischer. Yeah I mean so. That's something I should mention is that these stages weren't just idle sculptures. They were activated I by The bandwagon in a AH gallery show opening performance and then with a series of performances by other jazz band that he invited to come in and play on the stages so really what he's doing to me he is he's saying jazz. History is embodied and it's physical as much as it's able to be documented either on paper or in recordings so that has has subtly a lot of political messaging associated with it which is to say you can't just collect records and you can't just collect the memories and the histories you've also got to remember that. There was a physical and a social engagement around this music in these spaces that gave it. It's it's important near revivify. Not just the spaces is but the people who were in the spaces exactly sending the music and also absorbing the music listeners windsors or whatnot which to make a somewhat self serving leap to a piece that I wrote not for the Times but for the Atlantic. It's it's the reason what you just described is the reason why I thought of idea. Hartman's writing read a New Book Wayward Lives Beautiful Experiments which is a re-centering of basically under documented or undocumented or miss documented lives lives by young black women moving into American cities in the early part of the twentieth century. She goes into the archive in a way that Jason Moran often does when he does his little historical excursions in search of inspiration in search of information in search of his next project and idea Hartman. WHO also happen to win a macarthur grant just a a few months ago decided to use the broken histories that we have through the documents of social reformers or psychiatrists who who are misdiagnosing young black women coming to the cities and saying they're they're social pariahs essentially and she said actually? There's a huge social history that we're not even aware of here and when I saw Jason Moran Presentation at Carnegie Hall which he put together in collaboration with the operatic soprano Alicia Hall Moran his wife. It it was also an sort of an examination of the history of the great migration in the early part of the twentieth century in Middle Part of the twentieth century through uncovering and dredging up a lot. The music that was not necessarily in the Canon yet or in Carnegie Hall yet but deserve to be and so by taking that physical kind of claiming of space to Carnegie Hall and that claiming of this historical memory through music. He was saying like we need to remember that history is about all kinds of people. And it's about all kinds of assembly and it doesn't always get documented but it could you know and that's the message sure that I think if we're gonNA treat jazz as a historical artifact which often is we should remember that there was a lot of stuff that wasn't necessarily written into the first or second draft of history that we have to recover and here and here he is doing that. So Martin you also wrote about the Miranshah you wrote about it on your blog. Tell people two blocks called rotation dot wordpress dot Com so honored Asians. You were talking about one of the things that this exhibit does is this kind of. I think I don't know Whose word would smudging one? Ellsworth sponging DECA. So but but I was gonna Martin going off Martin. Yeah so Martin tell me a little bit about what you took away from the Maranto. Oh well there were two things that I took away. I mean one of them. I actually wrote in the other one Dante drugs exactly because you know. This is often why I don't blog because I'll post it then I'll keep thinking about you know five days later I'm like why did I write that. All the sauce away for free we know okay so the Moran thing was super important. I think because it invites us to think about jazz differently. And you know bringing in what I've thought about since then it's inviting us to lose. The paranoia has been for the last fifty years. Part of being. A fan of jazz is worrying whether it's going to who continue to exist. Well clearly if jazz survived what has happened in popular culture over the last fifty years and yet for one you have jazz musicians headlining stages at Coachella and Bonnaroo. You have jazz musicians. You know collaborating. With leading hip hop producers producers of our time you have jazz musicians in every phase of every academic institution bets invest in culture. It's here and it's going to be here so instead of fighting for its presence leads utilize its presence to integrate and expand manned and that's what Miranda ease expanding into conceptual visual creative arts fields. He's inviting other artists to follow through on their ambitions as well and he's inviting us as an audience to see the parallels so that yes I see I you know I see Chris. Davis has an advancement of Cecil Taylor in a way but maybe it's useful to think. How does that work relative to WHO Kurosawa in one car way all right? So here's a question that I was left with afternoon ranchos so I think you guys have alluded to this and maybe maybe not set it outright. I don't know if I'm right or wrong. But tell me that Moran is actively seeking the sorts of collaborations. He's actively going out and and saying I WANNA work with such and such conceptual artists symptoms and part of that is personal his own artistic journey but also some of that as historic one advocacy work of him wanting to help expand where jazz footprint can be taken seriously. That's the first part if I'm full of nonsense. Okay Okay you're you're wrong saving for this way. Save it for after their to work for them to. That's that's exactly how much this is him. Wanting to put jazz in in conversation with those people and how much of it is those people wanting to be in conversation with jazz so I spoke to Adrian Edwards. WHO's the brilliant curator of performance at at the Whitney who put together this show with Jason Moran and she said I noticed that all these artists Glenn Ligon Joan Jonas Jonas Adrian Piper had themselves actively sought out working with him? Okay and I wanted to know why. And she said. I finally found that. It wasn't something super distinguishable about his style or his sound or even his mentality necessarily she said it was a feeling that they wanted that he had in his work that they wanted to put into. There's I sort of. I rebelled against that because it felt too wishy washy and felt almost like a diminishing of of what Maran's doing I mean. Just call the feeling but then I realized she's talking about she's trying to basically say something too big to say he's doing so much in his work that he's able to wrap his arms around so much history and so much conviction he really has an idea of what he's trying to accomplish accomplish and it involves an ethic of collaboration that is inborn in Jazz. It involves a long historical memory. That's born in jazz. It involves the ruggedness and the contingency of improvisation it involves the relationship to time. The jazz can have that. Visual Art. Can't have so. There's all these things that he's so good at manipulating. And he's hungry for the kind of inspiration that these visual artists can give him because they're not boxed in the way that a lot of people. Oh come out of the Jazz Academy are they are quote Unquote conceptualist not to say. They're really pretentious. And up their own. You know. Ask doing their own. I think for him conceptualist means I get to just imagine I just get to like break stuff down. You know as Adrian Piper says in that piece as opposed has to following the rules worshiping the idols. He said that Adrian Piper told him once that she's always trying to dismantle dismantle the grid and I think that's a really good way to look at what he's trying to do a jazz. Oh for sure going back. Maybe ten twelve years ago if you were just to to stumble into jazz standard. One Night Where Moran and Bandwagon replaying you know they might all come out. And then and he would pull out a little MP Three player player or something. They're effect and Sir playing a whole ish broadcast of a soccer game with all the interesting vocal rhythms and excitement. That comes from sports casting. And then he'll pick a figure and riff off of it And then Nasheed weights would reform of his finger bigger and then Taurus matere with dive in with a baseline and so on and so forth and by the middle of the tune. The sport cast is gone. But here's this piece that they've more or less combusted on the spot and that was Moran's way of saying that jazz is about sound in all sound. You know it's not just US twelve bar blues or whatever just place have the same meaning in your guys mind today that it did in the that the Moran show sort of calls back to no because I think we live in the ether a lot more right through our screens. Screens are not really a place at all easy Jenny. Oh Dal AH easy easy. Yeah I mean on Instagram. Please please or you could. You could call me Budgie art fifty the years ago I I. I'm not I'm not being particularly original with that whole idea but is definitely a trend that we need to both accept and probably push push back against a little bit and I think that's Iran's point is that if we allow it to get so conceptual that it's just able to be condensed into words words or ideas so to speak. Then we're losing the physicality and that's really where the power comes. I mean bodies in motion bodies. You know in collaboration and I think it's about the people in the physicality of doing this stuff that makes plays important and that's his point. He wanted his fats waller record not to be trimming trimming defense waller. He wanted people to get up and dance. I mean when he presented Harlem Stage. There weren't seats And similarly in bringing people in the James Reese yes Europe thing was exactly about that sort of thing but yeah and two wings. The this is starting to put the entire context of twentieth century African America into into a broader picture that if not jazz is at least chaz adjacent to wings being the the show that they did it Cardi exactly. Let's transition transition a little bit Gio. You wrote a piece earlier this year talking about more mother age about two. We'd been Lamar Gay. Only Charles e were sort of pointing towards Africa refusers in that piece and feeling like an emergent nor maybe reemergence sensibility. We've been talking a lot about people who are only say not not satisfied with kind of jazz as it's been presented or historic is or whatever but I did feel in the music of the people you wrote about this kind of restlessness. This kind of I don't WanNa say discomfort but certainly moving in that direction with. Maybe what what they've been handed. And maybe wanting to push harder at the musical margins Ke told me a little bit about what made you bring rivers together. What are the kind of broader themes of the last couple of years have led us to this moment? Where that's happening? Yeah Yeah I mean that's the there's so much there He'd taken our off. It was this idea that the word jazz or the idea of jazz history is only one element yep in a much broader tumult you know and that at the same time these musicians do have certain ambitions about human power about the power of the collective of the power of memory of repatriating. Some the memories that have been suppressed and of just plain artistic expression and innovation. That goes way beyond. What's codified or circumscribed into Asia? or into even a medium all of that is essential to the work of these musicians and by that I mean I mean they're not even musicians necessarily they're poets visual artists video artists improvising instrumentalists singers. Pretty much everybody on that list is all litto polyvalent. Yeah I think the word that I was sort of struggling for a minute ago. It was like there's something fundamentally insufficient about what they had been handed right and using these tools that you're talking about to either improve upon expand upon right grow the boundaries of. What's on the table? Double the insufficiency kind of what I came away from. And here's a here's a positive way of framing that insufficiency. I had just seen more mother who I hope we can play this on this one right now. Why don't we play black flight? By more mother. A track that features saw Williams from the album she released in two twenty. Nineteen the albums called analog fluids of sonic black holes. And it ain't jazz. I mean that's obvious but it's also not any particular other genre so let's listen. Listen to 'em breaks and space ranks. Obama got the balls and I've changed with a choice freedom race. I bet. Replace Your brace no black flight gotta get away gotTa get away black flight black wings. Black lie blood. James Doug Medicare is theory. The invention of the zero mathematical compromise times carswell Israel capitalism comedies. Marsh Mountaintops Kermit schemes spouse. That habit shot for citizens the seven note seven holes seventy acidity as mythical landscapes Zik infant black capes draped in. Eternity said return to see my own self. Such an approach to the magnetism displaces in Bay Dro in the ether drop in ten seconds of Saul Williams coded language from one thousand nine hundred nine just to see the kind of long long arc that we're dealing with right now. Whereas whereas Rick Beats have been the missing link connecting the diaspora committee to its Drummer Elvin past whereas the quantities from has allowed the world mathematicians to calculate the changing distance between Rock and start spinning vinyl cross faded spun backwards then release at the same given history the different moment in time continuum trump with the back in the present or maybe the future future more mother? Yeah exactly I mean it's a continuum seem sure it seems silly but it wasn't and it's not only is not only that historical continuum. It's also what Martin alluded to in that blog. Post that he put up about Jason Moran and what we've been discussing before it's it's that flow between media and I think I felt it really strongly at the toward the beginning of this year. I had just seen more mother perform with a more jazz oriented into group. She's backed by a jazz quartet. It's called irreversible entanglements. Full disclosure a close friend of one of the musicians in it. It's got a mention it and I was in Chicago at at the Midwinter Festival. Not a jazz festival at the Art Institute of Chicago and one of the galleries had a Dude Bay Exhibition. Called night comes tenderly black black and it's photographs that I don't fully remember how he does this but they're very very very darkly black and gray tinted and their photographs photographs of places along the underground railroad route from the route. That enslaved people would use to get away to the north in the mid eighteen hundreds reds and I had this palpable feeling as if I was listening to more mother again looking at these deep dark forested images ages of basically that we're trying to convey flight the fear of having you know Hell Hounds on your trail quite literally but also so this sense that okay. This is only a way station. We're going somewhere. We're getting out and and kind of out of that darkness. You know. Post Tenor Bridge. Looks like out of the darkness. Perhaps there will be a light. And that's what my mother said to me in our interview for this Arctic was and that's the only time I use that word after a few tourism is at the end of the article quoting here. She said I'm an Afro futurist because I'm not negative about this stuff. I do believe that. Out of of all the darkness and all of the terrible stuff you know. Write my poetry about something. New is coming and it was that feeling forward momentum in the darkness of WBZ images as well as in the kind of hyper excited beats that she makes that. I felt the commonality there. Sure sure Martin did any of the musicians in this space really movie this year. They moved me in general. I made a lot of. This actually reminds me of things that I used to play on the radio A long long time ago because what specific low the in the eighties. Yeah because it's of a piece of of mostly African can Americans finding the available definitions insufficient and looking for ways of using artistic tools to expand that announced the expansion mansion and moving forward right coming to a close of this conversation. I didn't WanNa talk about one musician. Who I learned about from Geos List Matters Joel? Ross it's Joe. Ross plays vibraphone get a record. This year is called kingmaker. Thought this record was a Banger A smooth Banger I really enjoyed it. I felt like there was almost like an unconscious elegance to it and I was struck by how easy it was for me to. You get absorbed inside of it and at the same time be like kind of like woken up by it. I and I've listened to everything on your list. I listen to a bunch of stuff that Martin had written about as well well. This was the only record. They're really work that way for me. Well I'd be really curious to know more about him you guys earlier. He plays a lot and gagging right. Now this record is as an old self recorded basically talked me talk me through it so I mean Joel. Ross is one of these. Just preternatural synthesizers like he takes history and he takes the present moment and it all just kind of bundled together and comes out like you said kind of in this really cool stream of ideas of sound. He's one of those guys like I mean this record reminds me more than anything else that has come out recently of Roy Hargrove in in the nineties because it does that thing where it is nominally quite idiotically jazz. Contemporary jazz down the center like everybody in the jazz world. Yup He's got the chops he's hitting the notes like he's doing it exactly as you would be taught you ought to do it in school. And and then he's just flying beyond and you can't even say how'RE Y. I mean he's not breaking the mode in a way that so conspicuous. He's not like say it's not an avant-garde send up of anything in particular. But he's just got an original way of playing the vibraphone that's rooted in Milt Jackson and Bobby Hutcherson the two great pillars of vibraphone in the mid twentieth century and he's got a funk and hip hop influence flow. That also is deeply still swinging in a jazz way. So Martin. How do you how do you define the force that has come on the scene in the last three about listen? Joel Ross is what sociation I make and sure there are all kinds of references. That suggest bobby. Hutcherson Milt Jackson accent or read north all even but then when I saw him at chess gallery three weeks ago four weeks recently one of the two things that struck me was his first solo. The musician that came to mind was grand Poobah you know just in the way he played and You know the thing is I'm I'm a fan of Terrell. Ross maybe big Fan Ross. But I'm not one hundred percent sold yet because I feel like the movie just starting. Yeah Dan You know there's a lot more especially as he evolves as a composer and that sort of thing but the other thing that totally completely blew me away that jazz gallery. The show was aside from the fact that it was completely totally sold out. I'd say half the crowd wasn't a jazz crowd that I'm the one of the things that I have immense amounts of fun with is. I'm out often enough that you know I can smell jazz on people and and so one of the things you know. There are certain musicians. I Darcy James. Argue is another his crowd. You you know you might be waiting to get into one of his shows and they're talking about going to the ring cycle or something like that attracts a non jazz crowd. The people I saw at Joel Ross. Were people that I. I saw Gary Clark at celebrate Brooklyn Pat. Yeah kind of crowd. I mean it's as if you know. I don't think there's a role. Ross tiny desk concert but it was a tiny desk crowd. Yeah there ought to be and I mean that's really going to be essential for the music going forward. We talked a little bit about jazz being engaged in that kind of super important process of breaking down its own boundaries in which at all the great moments for the music. It's been doing. But for a few the decades it was more concerned about building its own boundaries than bringing them down. I think when you look at the audience at a lot of jazz shows as you mentioned Martin. That's a huge problem. I'm Lou you can tell that. Most of the cats in the crowd are also musicians themselves or have been in some way raised within the music and there are a lot of artists nowadays. Who are breaking out of that one of them is also similarly to Joel? Ross arising musician who with roots in Chicago now based in New York Murky Hill who also put out a great record this year and record that actually unlike Joel Ross's does not check all the boxes to be called a contemporary jazz record. It's called love tape and it's it's much more almost like a beat tape and it like many other records. These days in jazz uses clips of words spoken to convey unveil messages. That give you something a little more tangible to hold onto. But also you know once in a while Josh Johnson Alto Sax player or Markey's Hill himself. The trumpeter will break out with a dazzling solo. So yeah I think that because the music itself is escaping its own sort of shadow you you know like dancing outside of of whatever boundaries are around that the crowd is following and the media that cover. The music is following Joe. Ross's record got not a best new music but it got a warm review from pitchfork and I'm sure made a big difference and that's happening more and more to I'm GonNa do a little bit of urine wrapping up after this but let's go along with someone off the record listen to ill relations And and it before or we close out the episode. I know it's early twenty twenty but I did want to talk a little bit about Twenty Nineteen Been Very enjoyable year for podcast and end. I've been really grateful for all the feedback and the emails and tweets and instagram messages etc.. PODCAST doesn't happen alone own so I wanted to take a moment to kind of talk about the folks who are involved one. Thank John Parrella. Our chief pop music critic. Joe Kaas Garelli are pop. Music reporter Karen Organza are pop music editor who are frequent guests and pop gang knows them. Well I wanNA talk about Pedroso. Who is not here today? But Pedro is our faithful full producer and is behind making me look presumably better than I ordinarily. Look Actually Dan is the room today and Brad is not in the room but Dan and Brad had to help on the back end. And I'm always grateful for that shouts to Gilbert who runs culture. WHO's a big podcast? Listener would up Gilbert. I kinda worry sometimes about the state of criticism and I get anxious about. Is the Internet. Undermining the possibility for strong critical writing contrarian very uncritical writing writing that is not designed to make you liked on the Internet and so I was Worri with each New Year of podcast. Like are they gonNA GONNA be new folks that I can have on the show and I put together a list of everybody who was on the show this year and I won't say at least half. It was their first time time. I was really really excited to have all these folks on this year. So just to read real quick ten blanks. EDGEWATER CEPEDA BRIAN. X Chen in Bret Clarkson name. Cochran Camp collins-benn Dandridge lemke. Jim Jauregui says talking about Hootie. All things a Sydney Ember. Eli Suzy exposito Larry Fitzmaurice making Garvey. Hana Georgia's Jason. Green Aisha Harris. Hunter Heiress Robert Villa Caroline Haskins Isabelle. You Harare Manda Has Charles Holmes Shannon. How jains Assan James Jeff Johnson? Sebastian Jones Christian yueh-tzu Kim Ron Lieber Lieber Robert Muravich Evelyn. McDonnell Leslie Morris. Keith Murphy. Mar Andrew Ski. Amanda Petrovic Al.. Pierre Ben Ratliff it lifts Jody Rosen Melena Riziq Ao. Scott Maria Sherman Remiss Cillian Ben Scenario Danielle Smith Jay. Smooth Tim Sommer in Frazier tharp. David Turner Andrew Unterberger. Elizabeth Vincent. Tally Jada Watson. Nick Weidenfeld Jonah Weiner Natalie Winer brianna younger Lindsay Absorb Lads all on podcast in twenty nine teen. The state of podcast is strong even stronger this year. Thank you to Martin and Geo. Oh for coming out today. Our producers are Patriots Outta from had separate media and Dan Powell in the room today. Listen every podcast ever ny times dot com slash slash. podcast email me. PODCAST TIMES DOT com any questions you have and if you have a question about jazz afforded someone who knows the answer. Let's go with a little bit of hip hop jazz as it used to be. Not as this today but as it once was this is off jazz. Record that guru put out. 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"You're listening to the globalist first broadcast on the twenty ninth of June, two thousand and twenty on Monocle, twenty, four, the globalist in association with UBS. Hello! This is the globalist coming to live from Madari House in London. I'm Georgina Godwin on the show ahead. France voted in the second round of municipal elections. The election dealt a grabbing President Emmanuel. macron is centrist party biblical March, which did not win any of the country's big cities, we'll hear analysis from both Paris and Marseille, then according to Plato Justice in the life and conduct of the state is possible only as I it resides in the hearts and souls of the citizens as England contemplates abolishing trial by jury. It may be worth remembering his words. We'll cross to Brussels where the subject of. Of travel corridors is being hotly debated. We'll ask if there's more to this than just way. You may take a summer break plus continuing to pursue the idea that if it's bad news for Donald, trump it is objectively good news. The resumption of professional team sports in America has not gone well for the president either say something to cheer us up on a Monday morning will review the paper and take a dive into retail and luxury news before we examined one surely must be one of the most exciting and important jobs in the galaxy. That's all ahead. Globalist live from London do stay tuned. I what else is happening in the news? The coronavirus pandemic has killed half a million people in just over six months. Latest figures show. In, Poland polls show that president under Judah has finished first, but without enough votes to win out right in the country's presidential election and politicians in the state of Mississippi voted to replace the state flag the last in the country to feature the confederate battle emblem, which has been condemned as racist do stay tuned monocle twenty four throughout the day for more on those stories, but I. I three months and a lifetime ago, the first round of the municipal elections in France were held then the country went into strict lockdown. The delayed second round was held yesterday, though not for all areas, some of which produce conclusive results after the first round, Monaco's Paris correspondent Tom Burgess Watson sent us this report last night when it had become clear. Who the winners in this election? Fifteen weeks off, voters across France cast their ballots in round, one of the country's municipal elections, people nationwide once again, Don face masks on Sunday for the heavily delayed second round. It was undoubtedly due to the lingering threat of covid nineteen that the turnout was so low with just forty percent of French people, exercising their right to vote. However the results were clear. The election dealt drubbing to President Emmanuel. macron has centrist party marsh. We did not win in any of the country's big cities. Instead Sunday night was a night of celebrations for the Green Party and its allies, which one big cities like Leo Cras Book. Marine Le Pen's far-right National Rally had small victory winning the Merrill race in the southern town of Papillon. That is the biggest metropolis they've ever managed to win. But the greatest prize of all is the keys to reveal or City Hall in Paris. And winning these is what these spanish-born socialist incumbent, and he'd elbow managed to do seeing off her conservative challenger Rashida dotty by a margin of around eighteen percent. Dow, who is loved by cyclists and loathed by motorists has now won another six year term to push ahead with her campaign to rid central Paris of cars. Her decision to shut off major sections of road, two vehicles eliminate roadside car, parking spaces and put bicycle lanes in their place across the city was a risky decision, and the road works resulted in several months of gridlock across the city. But it's a decision that is now paid dividends at the ballot box. Well Hidalgo is now assured of being the mayor of Paris who will preside over the twenty twenty four Olympics. WHO'LL SEE NOTRE DAME? Reopen and we'll see Eco. Friendly plans for the French capital through to completion. For Monica Comparis-, I'm Tom Voters. Watson Anki to Tom and joining me to discuss the new results are journalists and author, and yes, Poirier, who's in the French capital and writer Mary Fitzgerald? WHO's in Marseilles? And is I know that you're not a fan of his Dargo? And in fact you had a piece in a newspaper last week. You said under her powers had become hideous. So, what does the second term mean to you? To me, well. It's not as if I'm surprised by the results I mean. She's a accused operator she. PASSED MSCI yeah, hat alliances with the Communist and the Greens and I must say She was very good at. Catching the the aspirations of so many French people, especially during the lockdown with the ecology at the center of things There was yearning for Nature Yearning for. Life without pollution, and passes very wanted city at personally I would have liked. For. Another another Paris Paris has become extremely dirty for instance and I'm I'm a cyclist, but still. It's it's quite messy. The Way cyclist are allowed to cohabitate with cars is extremely extremely messy and it. It is little known now, and not of casualties, a lot of people every year in Paris. So and also it must be said she's been at the helm. Either as deputy mayor of socialist. Become Villanova and as mayor for nineteen years so entered also. She's going to be around for another six years. As in total, she will have been at the helm of Paris for twenty five years. I mean that's That's suddenly Remarkable, but sometimes you want some new ideas and some new people, so we'll see, I wish I like I wish all. Or us, partisans luck. Let's bring in Mary Fitzgerald Now who's in Marseilles Mary. Why is the result here really important to the rest of the country? Well, it's important because Marseille is the the second the second city, it's a city that has been dominated for a quarter of a century by the right wing. Essentially one mile, one man rule my one mayor over the last twenty five years. You don't go down and. Is Eighty years old, so there was a very much sense with this election that. At time for Change, and Marseille wants to break free of what the local school Golden Ism so the field was open, and it was all to play for, but it's interesting how you know. My say has proved its reputation for being unpredictable. Late last night the left environmental coalition the appear to be surging ahead celebrations in that com this morning. It looks quite different, and in that as as the saying goes here. The right lost the house, but they saved the furniture in that Yes, that collision off the the environmentalists has one most of the vote in my safe, but it hasn't gained absolute majority in the council. It has a forty two seats in. In the council versus thirty nine to their nearest rivals at the Republican Party, so we're looking at a very messy situation where we go to the third round, where mayor will be elected by those elected yesterday later this week, and everything is still to play for the woman who led that left environmental coalition. Michelle Rhee Rolla it's it's not just it's not certain just yet, but she will become mayor as everybody anticipated no matter who becomes mayor, because the council will be so divided with no absolute majority Martinez facing into a future with a very fractious council and real challenges, when it will come things like approving bunches and implementing the policies that that left environmentalists coalition promise Let's look at Perpignan now and the wind for the right wing Lapenne? How significant is that? Well, it is significant because it's a rather. It's a big provincial town in the southwest of a of France. It means that my depen- can claim especially since the the victor is her former partner. And, but if you look nationally, it's it was a very good night for a minute and a her party. She lost all the towns and. It was always said six years ago when the she made some. Some gains a lot of people said well. We'll see at last in a way. The eastern extreme rights are going to be faced with the reality of managing your Ct. They are completely an experienced and i. think that's what happened yesterday a lot of. People where to start though to those so so we'll see back in your. Is. A is a big city and. We Mario your who one that is, so it used to be the number two of the party suit, so we'll see how a FAZ, but really yesterday the massive. They were too massive events in France. It's really the Greens Greens reaping. The votes and of very big cities we took in. Neo were taking bets ties bore. Even in a way in Paris they, they completely warm. The day four and that was a clever enough to To be to be in an alliance with the with them. And so. That's the challenge for President Michel. Because he's trying to find a new breast if you'd like for the last two years of his presidency and he's really put himself in a I'm I'm a very green young president, but is going to be facing with the with the position of of the Green Party. I mean Mary. How much of a barometer of his popularity was this result? Well I, you know I think it's it everybody the pay does that it would be in in many ways that kind of a an a test, if you like a of microphones, popularity or not I think those of US living here in in front who are not French, have been struck by the fact that my coins you know pools are a really down during the the Kobe nineteen pandemic, and despite the fact that. Many people would say the government's handling, though it did make mistakes, and like every other European government handled the situation, the crisis relatively well when one compares to other countries in Europe, where it was far more messy so that you know that kind of disconnect in terms of the the constant drubbing of of my own but some people living here. Some foreigners I think living in funds believe. Believe is is kind of very French. Way Of always being overly critical up the government did not willing to give any kind of credit where we're credited to, and I think the handling of the of the Kobe crisis was was a perfect example of that that's Mary Fitzgerald and also joining us on the line from Paris, and yes, poirier thanks both for being here on the globalist. It's time to reset the dial. 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How bad is the backlog? It's pretty bad. We haven't backlog of around forty one thousand cases, but you've got to put it in context the for covid there was a backlog of thirty nine thousand cases. So that's not. I mean it's increased, but it was already very very high. In two thousand fourteen. We heard backlog of fifty thousand cases, so we do have a backlog, but it's not really done to cove it. What exactly has the Lord, Chancellor, Robert but clint. Proposed He, eats proposed some form of. Process where you have a judge. Potentially sitting with two magistrates or to lay people in other words, we have a system in the lower courts where people who aren't qualified lawyers can sit where the lawyer. As judges, and so the proposal to the modified version of that in the higher, criminal, court, but it strongly resisted by those who work in the criminal courts, particularly those who are lawyers and to extend some judges criminal courts. Why is that? What will the impact beyond the legal system? First of all there's a very strong coach were leaning towards jury trials within serious criminal cases as you've highlighted, it's been positive British culture for a very very long time. And our entire criminal legal system at that level is geared up towards a jury trial. We don't have an inquisitorial system. Do Most countries in Europe? We have an adversarial system. So as to try and superimpose one one qualify judge and two lay people where you had a judge and twelve twelve jurors is trying to really quickly patch up or put on something onto the system to clear a backlog which assistant isn't designed. To support, and as I say, lawyer would really want to emphasize. This is a problem, not caused by Covid for the last ten to twelve years. The criminal justice system in the UK has been drained of all funding. It was one of the best systems in the world. It's now struggling to maintain the basic level of criminal justice. It's an absolute tragedy and we don't talk about it because people don't experience in a way. They experienced education health, but it's an absolute disaster within our system at the moment. So this is an issue at policy level and it's about. Economics. Well, it was. is to some extent about economics during the years of authority. Government felt that they could cut money apps the criminal justice system and sell off court buildings in a way that was just horrendously misjudged, and now they're trying to repair some of that damage for example in the probation system, but it's destroyed the legal aid system for criminal cases in the UK for cases, generally and SPAG backlog of cases. Isn't it is an example of? Of that you don't change that by messing around with jury trials which are fundamental part of British legal culture, you need to fund the system properly and reverse those cuts so I mean as we've both mentioned trial by jury has ancient roots, but perhaps it is time that the entire system had a rethink. What other methods of delivering justice might be in an ideal world. I think there's very good arguments that you can have a criminal justice system without a jury trial, because many countries in the world don't have jury trials, but you can't simply impose that on the system and a culture that's developed for hundreds and hundreds of years around jury trials in the US and the UK. Most people because part of British culture and identity in American cultural identity would not want to let go of the prospect of jury trials, so you do need to have a system that can work and one of the important parts of that. Is another feature of our system like in the US that you don't have good diverse in representation amongst judges, and so those members of the public who are from ethnic minorities, for example, many of whom are overrepresented in the criminal justice system feel much more confident with jury of their peers that do a judiciary that doesn't properly represent the best the population in a big city like London, so you can cross the system. You've got to think it through. You can't see. Impose on what we've got and hope to get away with it. Just finally Matthew I mean. How likely is this proposal to go ahead? I think there's a pretty good chance that some form of modification will happen, but my if I was asked to make a judgment. I suspect that. Will modify some version of a jury trial with social distancing within our core buildings and slowly reduce the background that way I think what's being proposed such A. Shock to the system that it will be pushed back against by lawyers and others within the system and I. Think it won't happen in the way. It's being proposed at the moment, but in Matthew Writer. Thanks very much indeed. Still to come on the program. Andrew Miller gives us some good news continuing to pursue the idea that if it's bad news for Donald, trump, it is objectively good news. The resumption of professional team sports in America has not gone well for the president either. This is the globalist. Es as a one nine hundred investment analysts from over one hundred different countries. Over nine hundred of the sharpest minds and freshest thinkers in the world of finance today. Find out how we can help. You contacted us at UBS. Dot Com. The Monaco cafe on Chilton Street in Marylebone is now open every day from eight am to sixteen hundred. Why not swing by and grab a coffee? We've been missing you and that's not all. 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It's more complicated as the discussions have so far proved inconclusive, so does that indicate that there is a little more to this than politics is at play. While it certainly is, and that's one way of put your writing, saying that the underline. Of Science behind this is the epidemiology in terms of which countries are got infection rates, and thus their citizens are allowed access to the European. Union from Wednesday of this week's pretty soon. Not, the kind of list is not conclusive, and it's not as you say only settles and, but it doesn't. Countries like Japan You Zealand's Canada. And also China though there was a site asterix in some ways. Traditional next to China, because they will only European Union allow Chinese citizens into the continent if if essentially. There is reciprocal agreement that EU citizens can also go to China which at the moment there is not absentees useful, not least is India Brazil Russia, clearly countries that have got a very high infection rates, but you know what as you say, this is more than just about the science of the infection. It's also economics, and you know for certain countries particularly in southern Europe. Like At like Italy and Croatia. They've been calling for the EU to open up these borders as soon as possible. Because you know what they want to respect. They want them back this summer. They are. They're desperate. In many ways for the tourism industry to return, and that's not just European tourists they want to see people from places like China as quickly as possible to. I mean you mentioned Greece and twenty five percent of Greece's GDP comes from tourism British. Citizens make a substantial portion of that I wonder how much of a driver and revenue is to to bilateral relations. Incredibly and ultimately have to. We have to always say this when it comes to the European. Union, ultimately, these are only mealy recommendations kind of agreed list by the European Union, it is still up to member states individually to decide who's allowed into their country, or not I mean we talk about the external. Border of the European Union is actually a thing. What is is not really it's not like the United States. Europe and the EU at the end of the is still a lot of country, and so ultimately is still to member sates to the side at which it isn't. Which countries are allowed in now? That's made more complicated Katie by the Schengen area. Because once you're inside a certain member state in the EU can. Can then in theory travel freely between different countries, but you're right much of this as being driven by countries like Greece as you say that in twenty six percent of their economy depends on tourism, and they cannot afford to have tours this summer, I mean ultimately devastating to their economy colonies already hard hit by the lock time, and then the wrong. You're right continuing questions particularly about the United Kingdom sixty six million people. Whether, they'll be allowed to travel to parts of Europe this year, clearly Y-. The, UK, so it has its corentin still in place that when you come back to spend two weeks in quarantine, put off many travelers that looks like it's going to be at least modified in the coming days with this so-called air bridges, and so that you'll be able to travel to save countries, but we'll have to see whether that provide enough confidence for people to get back on pains and to get back to the beaches. I mean for the purposes of these discussions is Britain's still considered part of the. Isn't clear case Potter discussion, so because it's technically left, you can the EU. It is no longer and around the table making these decisions, and it's so in a theory, it's regarded as a third country, but it's a bit complicated in it. It's not being treated like the rest of the world essentially. For most EU countries at British citizens are allowed to travel there now. That's not true of everywhere, and it's not true that in certain countries like for example, even its neighbor Orland British citizens still have to quarantine for at least two weeks, but for most countries they are at the moment still treating Britain, as if it is a member of the EU and in theory, of course, because at British. Citizens in this transition period are entitled to the same rights as ease since. That that is. kind of necessary, and it makes sense, but as they're not actually making the decisions. We're in the middle of BREXIT talks? Isn't it a little ironic that even as we pull away which to find ways to remain connected. You will, of course, that's the big point all of this you know, maybe the corona virus prices. Sean this more than anything. Is that as much as Britain wants to leave the European? Union has done. The geographic can't get away from the very fact that it's toby close at the northern coast of France, and Belgium, and and that's not going to change in the ultimately most British people are still in any given year GonNa go on holiday to the continent to places like Spain and Portugal. Italy and Greece as they do. Every year I'm back. People are going to travel into the lots of them are going to come from the European Union to that is not going to change trade, clearly through ports d'auvergne. Kelly's knocking to change. And the suppose you voted is a reminder. The how important geography still remains in this kind of globalized world and the virus in many ways is showing that because clearly the way that we have seen the first of many ways affected western Europe Italy Spain France the U K. we're all affected at the same time. It's affecting different parts of the country, but the fears of a second wave will again come from western Europe and Britain won't be able to get away from that, but the key thing I think four politicians in Brussels and the moment is yes. They all concerned about a second way, but my words they are worried about the economy and. People's jobs. The worried by the very fact that tourism makes up more than ten percents of the GDP of more than twelve EU countries, and that's low Florida jobs. It's an awful lot of money and they seem to. Try to encourage as many Europeans to go on holiday takes this summer, even if people don't feel safe, they feel that it is necessary almost to try and help out countries, particularly some of the countries that have been hardest hit by the virus, the other countries like Italy like Spain who also desperately need people to come and visit them this summer Darren thanks very much indeed that star. McCaffrey here's what else we keeping an eye on today. The. Coronavirus pandemic has killed half a million people in just over six months Johns Hopkins University reports that since the virus emerged late last year, there have been more than ten million cases in Poland. Exit polls show that President under Judah has finished first, but without enough votes to win out right in the country's presidential election, if confirmed the conservative incumbent do will face the liberal mayor of Wausau Rafael Makovsky in a run off on the twelfth of July. And politicians in the US state of Mississippi has voted to replace the state flag the last in the country to feature the confederate battle emblem, which has been condemned as racist Mississippi Governor. Tate Reeves has signaled. He'll sign the measure in the coming days. This is the globalist. Stay tuned! Well now it's time to join a contributing editor and Jim Muller for his take on some of the more positive stories. Welcome to week fourteen in this series of recognitions that if we weren't laughing, we'd be polling miserably. Omar floors, relentlessly writing covid nineteen on our walls, with crayons clutched in Altos. Listeners tipped off by the song in the background and excellent sport incidentally, and all morbidly obsessive subscribers will already have twigged. This is in fact week, thirteen of these roundups of good or at least diverting news, but all things considered in the manner of superstitious hoteliers of a certain vintage fourteenth floor, directly topped the twelfth, so there is no thirteenth floor, and that's the thirteenth floor elevators accompanying as right now. Do you see what we did? We thought it best not furnish fate with further temptation. Anyway. Portions of the world have continued to cautiously unlock including in a few instances, some of these specific tourist attractions much valued by the kind of tourists attracted by them in Paris on Thursday. After three cobweb collecting months, the Eiffel Tower reopened causing considerable excitement among folks who've always dreamed of one day standing on top of an electricity pylon. Still it is at least an option which visiting the United States this summer moving seamlessly along. is looking increasingly. Not but things are nevertheless looking up in America inasmuch as bits of it are becoming more hospitable to people who were already living there. down. Some one hundred and fifty five years off to Mississippi and ten of the state's lost the civil war. Mississippi's lawmakers have cleared the way to have the stars and bars confederate battle standard removed from the Magnolia states flag. This is good news in and of itself, if about two hundred and fifty five years overdue, but doubly so in light of the confusion, also in these saving head of US President Benito man given that this iconoclasm is perpetrated, not by an angry mob of people who hate him anyway, but an overwhelmingly republican state legislature, an overwhelmingly republican state senate and to Nova Willingly Republican. Governor Hang on, hang on no untoward disrespect to the progressive inclusive instincts of Mississippi's Republicans, but maybe let's see what they plan to replace it with. Regular listeners of the kind who sponsored the whole fourteen thirteen thing will recall that. It was noted in this space last week. That President Donald Trump had been obliged on pain of legal action to delete Tom Petty from his campaign rally playlist as of this week. He's also down the rolling stones. Who took again? Trump's use of? You can't always get what you want at the other weeks. Rabble rouse in Tulsa the. The stones of put trump on notice about this kind of thing before and the now warning, they will instruct the learned friends if he doesn't mark it off, as trump can probably afford to compensate even the rolling stones, however, they should be creative in the redress pursue. The stone should threaten trump with a suitably terrifying punishment like being compelled to listen to every or indeed any album live made since roughly some girls. Continuing to pursue the idea that if it's bad news for Donald, trump it is objectively good news. The resumption of professional team sports in America has not gone well for the president either the first pro sport to emerge from lockdown was women's softball and scrap yard fast pitch of conroe Texas team, containing several players who had expected to be representing the US at the Olympics, this summer travelled to Melbourne Florida to play a game series against you as a pride. During the game, the operator of scrapyards social media accounts excitedly tweeted at the president, a picture of the squad standing for the pre match anthem. No, knee taken upon learning of this outreach words, the entire scrapyard side quit in protest at the management. They have now reconstituted as a new team and will complete the season as this is us. This is us. Won Their first game beating pride three one? Good, news stories about covid nineteen on the macro level remained vexing. Lee Tricky to come by. There are the occasional glimpses on the micro. Let's hear it for Scottish. Pilot Steven. Cameron who is officially not going to be Vietnam first covid nineteen fatality. He has been cleared for takeoff at least as a passenger flying home after treatment, which included sixty eight days on a ventilator in show Ray Hospital in Tsim City. Cameron has become something of a national hero in Vietnam known as patient ninety-one. One. British pilot Stiffen Kim Ron, who has been hospitalized in Vietnam, says containing covid nineteen. A Mush has met for the opponents and Karen remember his words and use his mobile phone an Ipod, but let's hear it even loudmouth. Monk About Tula Hin, Waldo Michael, who has been discharged to stay in hospital in Addis Ababa after beating the virus at the age of one, hundred and fourteen. This makes him not only the world's oldest survivor of covid nineteen, but the world's oldest male survivor of life well possibly Mr Aldo Michael does not possess a birth certificate, so we're having to take his word for a fair bit here, but he's doctors agree that he is willing to three figures, and in the circumstances it seems churlish to quibble one can only hope Mr Baldy. Michael doesn't push his recovering lungs. To however in the circumstances, someone else should definitely be deputized for Campbell blowing judy at his next birthday party. Twenty four, I'm. Thank you very much Andrew I'm Georgina Godwin and this is the globalist. Well. Let's continue with today's newspaper and joining me on the line is the broadcaster and journalist Juliette Foster Welcome to the Program Juliette? Let's start with the new. York Times because this is a really interesting story that's been picked up in a number of places. And, it's about religion bounties on US troops. Just give us the detail on this. That's why this is a bounty, which supposedly paid to Afghan fighters and it was, it was leveled on British and American troops and it broke. Hope for the weekend in. It's one of those stories are titled Call a bit of a potboiler, because certainly, the media is focusing on America's handling of the coronavirus pandemic. We know that the numbers are surging in various states for example like Texas, but this is one of those stories which is creeping up behind, and it's put. Put the president on the defensive because he has denied at she hearing any briefings about this because he's also, he's also question. The sources won't because it comes from the New York slimes, at of course trump himself has this very shall we say Not exactly friendly relationship with the papers often castigated as an example of fake news, and goodness knows what else, but he's denied that he he was ever briefed about these to pay bounties to taliban-linked militants, and of course. People are saying well you know. At what point would he have known about? This did is easy line. Is He telling the truth eighty? It's very messy, but what makes it very embarrassing. Is that what he's viable for? The presidential contest Joe Bison, who's basically accused him of going soft on the Russians not being tough enough now if we go back to the early days of the trump presidency, remember the time when he met Vladimir, Putin and he was questioned by the press because you have these allegations of Russian interference in the two thousand sixteen presidential election and Mr Trump basically said well look you know I. believe the Russian President when he denies this happened. So effectively some sort this is the president. Accusing, his intelligence communities in the intelligence community of being liars because he trusted the word of the president about them, so this is actually quite embarrassing for him. He has denied that he knew anything about that. He's also denied that Mike Pence was aware of it either, but certainly Nancy Pelosi. She has said look you know. We need to be briefed about what is going on here. It's very serious. Question is how much will traction with it cover. Would it divert Mr Trump's rhetoric because he's focusing on the statues on black lives? Lives Matters, etc, but this is one of those areas what she perhaps hadn't factored into his thinking perhaps a relationship with Russia the comeback into scrutiny that are not quite in this way, but not very good. Start to the weeks we save for the US president. Absolutely I mean, and it also says that national security officials have tracked Russia's relationship with the Taliban for years, and they've determined that Moscow has provided financial and material support to senior and regional Taliban leaders, so it's not just about the bounty. It's about absolute material support. Absolutely yes, because look it throws a light on Donald Trump's foreign policy because he's made it clear that he doesn't like American troops in certain phases of warlike, Afghanistan he's been quite keen to get the mouths of air, but again. Russia wants these it sees subbed argued that it sees the trump presidency as a as a great platform if you like to actually. Actually push it sewn into national agenda to be a power play, and we've seen this for example in Syria and again with seen this in Afghanistan, but the fact that you've got these allegations that they paid certain groups to actually target Western soldiers British and American. It's very disturbing, but you're absolutely correct. Because Russia has had very heavy involvement in Afghanistan this isn't. Isn't new. Remember that Russia's involvement in Afghanistan what all the way back to around lynching seventy-nine when they invaded the country and they at this they paid a huge price for this, but now it seems the opening up again, so you could see his possible much bigger geopolitical strategy on the part of Moscow, but potentially very embarrassing for Donald Trump and of course. Course this is an administration which leaks more information than a burst pipe leaks Walter so to get more of this drip feeding into the public stream of the coming weeks. The New York, times of course they have cited anonymous officials, and that's give Mr trump's something to cling to by turning around and saying well. You know you can't trust these people because of. Because of the soil season, they not coming clean, but then why would they come? Create what what they actually show themselves because that's the whole point of anonymity, isn't it? Let's move on to Italy where the garden tells us that two million Italians could be pushed into poverty this year as a consequence of the pandemic. Yeah this is. This was a very sad story. Because, but it also shows the impacts of Corona virus, because Italy at one stage was the the hall spokesman for the Pandemic With who can forget those pictures in the reports of Italian medics, battling to keep people allied the health service is being stretched stretched beyond. Normal to to help those who are in distress, and yes, the number of cases has dramatically subsided. They flattened the curve and the country slowly opening up the business, but it's the legacy that's left behind, and this is poverty. What was happening was that you had a lot of homeless? People who are using the food binds center that was set up and now you've got. She found the other people. People I'll joining the cues the hungry, so you're talking about families as opposed it in this country, the quest the description you would use to describe these families all the jams. This was an expression which is coined by Theresa may the former British Prime Minister the just about managing, so we're talking about people who were on low incomes. They were working a couple of jobs to hold things together. And Hey they are this pandemic has been the thing which is really broken them, and they all joining the cues to get food to get this assistance now. It's very worrying for Italy because remember. The government had largely been congratulated on the way that it handled the crisis, but there's a sense that this patience is wearing thin now because people are hungry, this is exposed the weaknesses in the system that you've got more people who are actually being added to the poverty toll, and their questions is what we saw this. In Fat. Says during the pandemic itself. It was how the European Union was going to respond to this. Because there were a lot of countries who have pretty beleaguered so GERACI increase the borrowing to them. Do you actually give the bombs? Do you actually make them pay back the debt? So do you write off all debts that they can start again? And Italy was one of these casualties, because it's always been concerned about its finances, being scenes very unstable, and the say what it political system, but I guess the worrying thing. Thing about this is that if this discontent grows as you get more and more people joining the poverty line, this will no doubt the exploited by Matteo Salvini whose leader of the right and he's been keeping a pretty low profile, but could speak the platform for his comeback. This discontent more people being thrown onto the poverty line, no sense of hope what's happening in Italy is is no different what he's revealing itself in other in other countries that have been impacted by this, but a lot of economic flaws perhaps. Papered over before the pandemic, they have been brutally exposed and governments under pressure to respond in the way the question is how will they respond? Juliette over the weekend we've seen and absolute revolution in municipal politics within France but the Guardian has the headline about the previous revolution, and of course I'm talking about the one that began in seventeen eighty-nine new well. Yeah well, it ended in seventeen, ninety nine, so I'm thinking. That's the bit may be where I came in Tell us about tell us about these remains discovered in the wolves of a Paris monument. These remains discovered in the walls of the shuttle expect Wa was classified. Monument Navy. Honed Boulevard apparently is dedicated to King Louis Sixteen. Antoinette. And, but the buttons remains up to five hundred people who get a teen during the French Revolution may actually be buried in the walls of this monument. We aren't gonNA slightly twisted minds won't. There was something wrong with prophetic about this that does that. Does this mean that's? Because of the the the city caused by the the virus and the results of the municipal elections in France, that may be these bones were found because it is. Is the return of the Royal Family. Will something don't no, that's. It was a historical countless suggests that the bodies O.'s who've been guillotined including might antibody who was the mistress of Louis, the fifteen and Olympe do Google and Maximilian Hope Spirit that they will move to the various catacombs out the city, which I did actually have the chance it myself lower to Paris many moons ago, but I didn't quite fancy. The authors working along these alleyways today people anyway. Apparently, these experts claim that they've got chief found these these remains in this this listed building, so it's possible as well. Who knows it may will rewrite the course of history, but it's an interesting point zero the grizzly fine to say the least, but nevertheless it's it's. It's added the sense of mystery because what really happens through remains of those who get a team because remember getting was quite busy during that time of these other remains a five hundred people and I don't actually know what the official death toll is hit. Appeared my history isn't that good, but then you know. Where would the others buried? Their pass people who supported the idol tower. You never know. You never know Juliet thanks very much indeed, that was Juliette Foster and this is the globalist. UPS is a global financial services with over one hundred fifty years of heritage. Built on the unique dedication of all people we bring fresh thinking and perspective to all while. We know that it takes a marriage of intelligence and heart to create lost value for our clients. It's about having the right ideas of course, but also about having one of the most accomplished systems and an unrivalled network of global experts. 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Delayed, tradition weekdays at Sixteen Hundred Eastern time on Monaco Twenty Four. It's time to run. This Day's top retail luxury and fashion news with Monaco's fashion editor Jamie waters good morning to you, Jamie. Warning Jordana now of course, wearing black, as long been fashionable, but now the black in fashion council along with some other organizations is moving to make the fashion industry accountable for its race problem. Wearing black has never been more relevant. Tell us what's happening. Hi Yes, but there's a few initiatives and organizations that are being launched at the moment. And blocking fashion. Council is one of the biggest ones, and that's sufficiently launching these wake, but it's founded by Lindsay. Papers Wagner whose the editor in chief of Teen Vogue and Sudden Sandrine Charles is a PR executive basically they wanting to to make the industry accountable. So you know we've seen in recent weeks that were. Browns posting duck towels on instagram and sort of pledging. To the black communities, but now these organizations is saying Kay. We a lot of brands of said this, but they don't actually have representations in terms of their employees on in terms of your mortals and things like that so waking waking to call you to account. So black fashion counts who? Is doing what they're saying is a yearly report cod to hold brands accountable and so every year for the for the next three years, though sort of released this report card that shows. You represent the number of representations of black employees across different levels in the company's on. That was a good qualify paypal's wagner in times of the weekend and she said. We're in a state of cancer coach for right now, but we want to move to accountability Coccia any brown complex, one million dollars to the NASA pay on Instagram, but who will follow up and check that they did. So I think it is the idea of of really putting your mouth is and an If you can make the post on instagram and things like that, but what are you going to do about it? Let's take a felon Tino now. who have who are suing their landlords to try and break the Fifth Avenue wrench contract. Yes, this is an interesting case at the moment west of in this in this position, where over the past couple of months has been kind of. Danz between landlords and retail landlords and tenants in terms of. It's been the kind of case by case basis, but they're in various instances. Landlords have delayed, rent reduced or sometimes. Not Made Brown's pay rented all, but now getting into a situation where things as starting to open up and we're seeing landlords. Say Okay. You need to pay off now and Valentino is suing swing. It's landlord on its Fifth Avenue Flagship in Manhattan. Because it wants to break. It's it's lace contract which I think. He's due to run until two thousand twenty nine I'm basically the brownies saying but. It's such a drastically different retail landscape from when it signed the contract, two thousand and thirteen that. Basically can't make this work in this is just not tenable situation anymore and these these interesting case because. reports saying that the outcome of these. Early lawsuits. we'll really send a signal as to which way the courts are going to go. I think Victoria's sacred is falling different following a similar path. And basically. Whether what irrespective of what happens in the courts? There will be this tussle anyway, because if if brands say that they literally compay. What it's leading landlords in a difficult situation because there's no. in some ways because the the landscape is so decimated, landlords aren't really in a position of power. Because there's no one else is going to fuel they slots. No other people are going to be wanting to retail tenancies at the moment, so it is this kind of interesting tussle. Absolutely I mean it means that the whole character of Fifth Avenue, the kind of beating heart of luxury in the middle of new. York will change completely. Slowly I mean I I think you know obviously things are starting to open up in New York at the moment in terms of shopping, but gear I mean it's the one of the biggest things is that there's just no tourists and I think even if even as the shop so the open an an work how to make these shops attractive to shoppers. You're still not going to have the tourists that make up a huge amount of sales at these flagships in in your in power in the big in the big cities Jamie. Thank you very much. Indeed, this is the guy blissed a monocle twenty four. Unemployment rates are set to rocket post corona, but at least one opening is being advertised provided. The candidate has the following skills international experience in one or more of the following areas political, technical, scientific, economic administrative, they will have occupied top level posts in public semi, public or private organizations experience in space. Related matters would be highly desirable and a good knowledge of the European Union role in space matters is also an asset so provided you meet those criteria and speak English or French get. You'll see into the European Space Agency by the end of August to be with a chance of becoming the organization's. Organization's new director-general nozzle hamburgers. Professor of astronomy joins me to tell US Walk. Being Europe's chief space explorer really entails beyond that rather dry description nine. Thanks for joining us well. Can you begin by telling us? What the a the European Space Agency actually does your you European Space Agency were festival is third largest space agency in the world after Nassar and the Chinese base agencies is bigger than Russia's space agency for example so These gotTA stop over two thousand, and if you get the job, you've got to budget of around seven billion euros to play with to spend on whatever you want. Of course in needs approval and has a lot of exciting missions. Going on at the moment, there's a space probe an unmanned one game to explore the sun close up. That's going to be one going to Mars. One kind of go out to Jupiter's moons, and as a plan for an amazing one. That's going to study black holes in a few years time, so there's. There's just some of the missions which the new director-general will pick picking up on of course the beyond that they have the opportunity to to look at more exciting missions ahead how it funded I mean you mentioned billions of dollars and I know that that that comes from several different places but I wonder if it has a bearing on the nationality of the next director. There's always politics Yes, and the chairman. SUPPO- Germans put in the largest part of the budget, and then this Franz some Italy and person, and by the way although Britain will be leaving the European Union after Brexit. the USA is not part of the EU a separate body. So that you K will stay part of it and so yes I mean there might be able to political pressure for the director general to to be one of those major nations. Verner is just leaving. The job is German so it Mike go to the other major players, but of course it is open to everybody in the person who has the right talent and I think importing the right vision because. Everyone recognizes that space is a visionary thing to get people interested in in in the universe, but also technology in science so. I think it's open to all. But are there many suitable candidates I mean? It's pretty specific skill set. It is I. Think we'll person goes in to know about space but I. Think Somebody who's got good. Political and business now is going to be just as important. Is that A and the person will? Pick up a lot on the job I. It's like any job. If you go in with the motivation, the skills I think you pick it up on the way. Is it as exciting as it sounds chief space explorer, or is it just largely adleman and managerial? Both I mean clearly with an organization like that with a huge staff as I said in twenty two countries are involved in one way or another There's a lot of admin involved. The director general does have a role in in steering kind of missions I mean a lot of it is not just about going out into. Exploring the planets we're going. Go back to the moon and. European space, agency is very involved in Luke. Recall Gateway, which is a man space station going around the moon, and going out further into space with astronauts to Mars. NASA has built this Orion capsule which will go to Mars but the service module a bit which has got eight of the power unit and the any supplies for the astronauts that's built by Europe, so we are involved in manned expiration of the rest of the universe, and I think that's really exciting, because the new director-general won't be able to shape no, not just. The next couple of years because that set in stone, but beyond that where we're going to be in ten years time. And finally he's really responsible for the survival of the human race, being the person that decides when to to get rid of asteroids that might pose a threat. That's another major role. He or she who takes his job will be protecting us. Federal. Space debris all that clutter, which is up there, but as you said one love, major missions that be picking up on is a mission to go to an asteroid and try to deflect it. Now, that one is not particular danger to the earth, but just test the technology so as win, and it is a matter of when as yesterday as the dinosaurs found out to their cost when another space rock comes our way to destroy life on earth. If this person will be in a position to say that score and move at astroid out of the way before it gets here, so there's a role in saving mankind and speaking of dinosaurs. Is it likely to be a woman? That he or she? I've got no idea about judo. All anything else who has? I don't know I mean diversity. If you look at the small print, diversities mentioned the that play a role. Your guess is as good as mine night. Thanks very much That's all for today's program. Thanks to producers, Marcus Hippie. Carlotta Rabelo Daniel Bait and Augustyn much. Larry are such as tally flow. mccartin studio manages Sam impey with editing distance from Sean Hickey. After the headlines more music on the way, the briefing is live at midday in London. I'm Georgina Godwin and our return on the globalist the same time tomorrow. Thank you, Phyllis listening.
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I didn't realize we had episodes like in in one hundred thousands, or whatever I think wasn't one hundred thousand. I know we have something like the well last time we talked. I think it was like forty five. But I think they're close. It's like sixty seventy s I'm like that. And while but wow. Yeah. That's kind of. Yeah. It is. It is. Oh, yeah. We back for another week another crazy week election just happened. By the time, you guys hear this the midterms will be over. But so plea things worked out for. Your candidate of choice. Yeah. I went in I voted early. How was that for you? How was that experience and out, you know? Yeah, I went, but I went like it's seven something in most mostly what I've heard is. It's been in and out. Yeah. We did not have that experience girlfriend said the yo yo hit me because I sent him a test Friday. Also, just letting him know that Friday was the last day. And he said he was going in the afternoon. So he hit me back around two or three at the line was crazy. Yeah. Took me about about maybe over an hour. It felt like a bomber time. Like, yeah. Like like an hour and a half. Would you go? We're after workout. Okay. Okay. I'm not complaining. I I liked that. It felt like something that's time. I don't know. It was a lot of it was very reminiscent of the Boma times. Everybody who's I felt like that was cool. I felt like it was liberating for like people was like in a line. Just like it was a cool experience. I think you know, it was cool sit on my couch filling mush it out and put it in the fucking mailbox. Into time. So how do you do the absentee? I had no idea. The I told you were harassing me. They were texting me calling me. I don't I. At last. Came in the mail, so everybody, listen, we have to put all young voters and people have vote in general who by the put you up on game. And listen to this absentee voting. I haven't done it yet. But when I went to fill out, my was like man, I'm gonna do this next year. Like from w I'm ordering actually delivered to me. Oh, I thought you only do that. If you lived at somewhere else and get it. Now that was the only way you can do no early voting is a form of absentee voting. I guess so when you think I guess so you can only do absentee ballot for early voting. Possibly. Yes. Mailed off by Friday, guys. All right now that makes a lot more sense. Because when you said it, I meant to say, but we went into another topic. Let's say, you know, what I'm not going to bring it up sizes bring it was on my mind when I was in there, you know, cast in my ballots, and I was like man, I'm gonna do this next year. I thought about Mike I'm like man, I'm gonna do this year. I'm absentee I don't trust in it. Yeah. Exactly. I don't I don't trust it. I don't like. I need to physically do it. I don't trust. Yeah. Exactly. You trust that more than I do. Right. Come on man, bro. I sat there and looked at my machine for about at least two minutes. Just make sure don't flu. No, no. It happened before like towns is that that was you know, it was like cams recently. In Florida hoping can attest is. I think I know what happened in Florida. That's what I was still in Florida or whatever. But I didn't know what happened again, I think it was in Texas now this time. Okay. Yeah. Votes were switching both switching like right out. Yes, ma'am. I had almost election. And I just did there. The absentee thing you can actually track. It you can track it getting there, and you can track it naturally going. How you? Sure. Make any more sense than your little right? Little clip me. Exactly. World. I'm just saying like be be efficient. I think it was all about on this new age shit, man. But again to do. It's easy, man. You're running business heroin position. My brother, it'd be like. Hit ain't none to take a couple of hours out of my day to exercise my right? Yes. It is. You can do it more efficiently. All right. Tell him. Can you just want to do want to fill in the standing in line? I do I'll need all that. You don't want. I was in and out when I have I do like to. Early when they sent you stick to. Sticker absentee. I don't care about a sticky out want my sticker. Mcgahey by y'all. Sticker on your forehead, no sticker. I don't need the sticker like. Tallied them rag about voting like whatever can I saw your picture of your future? But I don't need my sticker. Okay. Yeah. I just pose the picture because I've been talking in a lot of stuff just trying to get the message out to let people to go vote and just kind of letting people know that you know, I did my part too. So that's cool. Everybody here's voted including con. I see what you're sticker on. How you went Friday see Jong or any last minute. Libraries fee. They was telling me to go to the outside. I was our fears Melissa that everybody's out got that is don't that. There are lines. It's just yeah. I I got lucky, you know. So, but there were a lot of people definitely showing up and leaving. So that was encouraging. But you're next week. I'm gonna be like be to be like cows out the cow. You know, all those brothers that voted like super early light went early voting open. They just. Yup. Visa when when did you go be on the second day early? Voting was available. I'm not unlike unlike minds out. Yeah, I guess duties, but yeah, so we we can actually start. I mean continue their because Friday think Oprah came it was a fraud. I think Oprah Thursday. I don't know what day. It was go by came Friday. I think Oprah was Thursday isn't my Michael Jordan out here. Fair was going door to door Abrahams. And Michael Jordan was running around he'll manga without people legit. See Michael Jordan name made a dish fuck in my man. They made a comment about that bullshit. How he was. Let me. Yeah. That is so dope. Man. I think it's interesting, right. If Stacey Abrams goes on to win. And I I have a feeling that. She is really. But I mean, I know they doing some some fuck shit. But I don't know, man. I a lot of he's only had my point. Yeah. And that's that's enough to that one point is no, no, no not enough for her to win enough of them to cheer Vos. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that the margin of error is in large enough. But. I just think is interesting. So regard regardless of what I would like to see a win. But even if she don't the fact that Oprah and will Farrell, and Michael Jordan and Obama actually came here to stand beside her is doping. I think what that shows. And I'm curious like it. Okay. I guess what? I was going to say is if she goes on to win they are responsible for their loss. Because this what they were doing open up like the created this national attention and got Oprah and Obama here to create that last minute surge to get people out to vote. So so yeah. So anyway, so yeah, that was signed man. Do have Oprah showed that you can have a job. Literally be like Stephanie hitting that right Bopha. Like, you just in your house, chilling like you can say that now, but you just in your house telling you go to like lot of times, you go to you're doing fucks this at my door every time every right? Every time you go through it. This time is over how had t shirt on. I'll be looking craziest. So what's your oh shit? Oh. I want to make sure that you're voting. What I'm gonna call miss winter. It sound right. But isn't the way you said he said it real homegirl is no longer. Mom. I understand what you're saying. America's home bureau McAfee as I start singing their theme using issue like show. Michelle. Now, what that was do not remember. Sorry. Remember that first? Visit Bill surprised you remember because crazy as she likes when he came home. Oprah. Okay. Something wrong with this month. Forget let's go. That's my own theme. Come here come here. Relate who is like. Ayar are in your visit this whole won't it, right? I had this plan does crave. My friend. Don't my wife says you fry some chicken. You think she would stay there long fucking check. Guess you would not want y'all checking the whole back yard. Backyard or beat flown in from fucking somewhere anywhere. Chicken. You have had this chicken opened on one chicken, doesn't okay? I'm just saying thank Alpa stepping on the down. Nothing turning in this to the quality of the chicken as opposed to just anything to keep over there. While I'll take my hour and twenty minutes and not go over there. I mean, I know. Speaking of Holloway and speaking of chicken. Okay. Okay. Let me connected you dressed up like a chicken wing. Not. I I don't know. I saw on online that somebody was giving away like like chicken wings as like treats. I no no way. No way. No. You know what? I mean. I don't go trick or treating because I don't have like children. But and I don't take my nieces there. They live too far from me. But I did see that for a lot of neighborhoods this year. They were giving out like drinks and stuff for adults like sankara's and stuff. So I thought that was cute. But yeah, I don't know what neighborhood was a rich neighborhood. Yeah. I'm not making sangria my sister's neighborhood, they was saying. And now she lives in. No. Thing. No. The kids have their Halloween. Oh, wow. You're about Halloween. No, no, no this because now the adults the kid how we how we don't do sangria, and we're gonna give out chicken with. No, let the kid. This is for the kids. They're not giving us angry as to the children. That's what I'm saying. Why why adults trying to co-opt Halloween you come home from work? Tired a spot. Now, you gotta put fucking pay all your kids face and put them in the law. Don't you shouldn't you shouldn't have fucking girl and get a fucking kid whose fault is that. Fair. They want to fuck and drink. You can drink anytime. Likeness is appropriate. I love it. I just they know corny. Tune. The kids. Enjoy the adults enjoy Halloween now come on now. I mean, yeah. I mean, they Halloween party. Treat a treat and expert. Getting out of hand you saw that video. You just showed us gonna wear. I forgot the so you so he got forgot you. I couldn't remember if you on that conversation, but what session? Conversation when we was talking about trick or treating. No look at look at this. That's ridiculous. He should not be out to fight. Gotta cost your thing here. Lame ass. Fucking. A costume. Don't bring. Over here. So you telling me a fifteen year old Spiderman could not get some kick. No. Job. You gotta hear exactly get Joe, boys. Deeb reminds get your. Fifteen. You can't put it up. Put it on is the Mike Stallone's Sarel aids. Limit that y'all are willing to like let kids how fun on Halloween. Yes. Well, I'm not at fifteen years. I'm not thinking about going door to door trying to get some candy F fifteen years. Until I saw that video. That's what I sent to them. Like, art. K you have a point. There was just like he's he the shadows some bumps shit, though, this what you're saying. No. What did they have been the costume? It doesn't matter. They felt the same way. If a regular ask kid was just in regular kids closing cut. I got a Snickers like bitch. Why are we gonna cost you know, because? With that to some families Puerto like they can't you gonna walk to kindergarten. Kindergarten. His candy get the fuck out. Shit. It'd be have ghost and the saying he just throws. You know, what I'm saying you want to be a ghost? Are you? Well, the target of. All right. Concert four by you. Pre-k start you. What the hell this opportunity for free food in the house. Either way costume don't bring. And your deep ends boys over here. Fifteen sixteen seventeen on going to be knocking on. And that's the motherfucker that's going to be handed out saying Greer's when he get old not letting that shit go. Let that shit go like these motherfucking. I just made it I was I was grumpy so did you pass on candy. No, no. I was here because we had the clients came through cheese shows cheesy controller they came through to record. So they were recording that night's while I was here, but they had a somehow we should do. Hello important issue. But they had there. That'd be. So I was here. So when I got home it was like, ten o'clock. So they already went out early. So I'm sitting down I'm eating my dinner and the door will just minutes. Dobrev ring it was like ten something. And you already know if I'm telling you this mother fucking kid coming to my door talking about trick a mother. Honestly. Alone. It doesn't matter. Right. It's ten o'clock. Why are you come into my house at ten o'clock? Fuck and go to sleep it. What the hell don't you? In the morning. What are you talking about becoming at this know trick? You know, kids are coming it one little kids. Oh, we how bro I missed that part. Yeah. Okay. My fault tree was like three at the door. And then three two or three lingering one. I'll tell Joe as where the cost of mother fucking. No. Stop by. Soapy on with the show. Phil man, ten o'clock door trick or treat. Did you give them candy? How do they go like like? Not just said it opens real trick or tree. I said it's ten o'clock at night. What are you Catrine? What did they they just laugh, and then we'll say, nah, get topped him in the throat like daredevil? Right. And I close the door. Breather dot ditch the fuck fucking sin, and that's the shit. I'm talking about. And I wish I was the house because the last couple of years. And that's S T J T J will be out man with me. We'll be on the porch. We'll be chopping as up. I'm surprised TJ fucking trick or treat when his weirdo as in a fucking in fucking black costume. You're talking about. That's not he's not going to trick a tree. But he would definitely dress them for the kids. But speaking on the porch, and we would just be we just be clowning kids and tell them they too old and and to get out and not come back like it would just be something we had video Facebook. He doesn't dress up on. Lean. Door with its costume on. Right. He's normally over a micro. He's not dressed up. Excusing the world address because it's cost him. So fucking right. It seems like he would just like well shit. It's Wednesday address. We use. Parties and stuff like that was real cooling. Visited hospitals for for children's stuff. Like that. That's though, boring jump out the fuck. He should swing in the tree on on those Spiderman I won't be. If he's out the tree was flicking candy at people that'll be doping. So. Top. It's like I like a lot. I like a lot of stuff happened last week. But this week is kind of like it was the whole Cardi Nikki thing that happened last week. And that's just the bullshit. Yeah. I'm over. But that that was funny though. It was funny. Oh, man Cardi just cut it just she just now finally with is she like a Facebook Lavoie way video now she just posted like nine consecutive sicker. Video everybody. Kept refreshing. Ridiculous. Does she do? She was speaking facts like stuff that was happening and people don't know behind the scenes about how just video released access more bullshit. They just keep going back and forth. See that the whole thing ended with Cardi B. And like, you know when a key. I'm tired of this shit too. So you could either run up or get done up. I don't give a fuck how you wanna handle this shit? But I'm tired of talking about it. But wasn't there? A whole thing about her like think Nikki was trying to say that one of her people be Riley. Yeah. And that they were started ten us to be on Queen radio talking about everything. But her music bring because nobody cares about a music. That's sad. Yes. So she she offer somebody a hundred thousand dollars for the surveillance tape. Okay. Why why because nobody believes that Riley beat up car, but that's completely believable rot. Right. He would beat up Muhammed Ali. Believable. But what he's saying is like she didn't actually beat cardio, and they'll say like all of these people that was recording this this. You said how did no one catcher Rollie, actually beating me up? If that was the case, even if she did that's not like a dang for car, exit hardy Carly card. He's just like Raleigh is literally a few do big chicken. She was like throwing chairs yet. Yes. The hulk she caught like a cheer like the. The vendor seeing. We got the hook right? Got a raw. We got around the corner. You will fucking line. It'd be my body slam shit fucking lie. Hey, yeah. It'd be a body slam. Where hammer you could not move with a God outta Riley bigger bigger guys. The biggest shale. The biggest what are we going with this rallying wrote up you won't to run up on walk up on you. On rallies type of person where if you see you just gotta shoe lab -solutely a hope Vic, no for it. Oh. Yes, she is. Yeah. I don't know whether going back and forth with this. I mean, it's like I get it. But it's like at the same time. Are we still doing this? You know what I'm saying? Like, are you selling more records because of this like, I don't get that Nikki because you keeps trying to, you know, say, oh, you know, Cardi doesn't write her raps this and that in the third, but when it was, you know, the whole running on the whole sheet sheet that thing is like Nikki, go and eat their therapy. While. Glenn here on the sickest headed. Man, some she's not right right now man, this is really affected. It's been at least like. See somebody about me. Yeah. That's what happens when you got a lotta yes. Many are Cam. Yeah. So that whole thing happened. Fighting herber. I forget what you hail now fighting her to run run from now. No, I would have something runs. Take off. But I think it did. She head. Stressful. But I thought it was interesting that she did show that like behind the scenes Nikki dig it her like band or locked out or something like that from the fashions free or something I saw it on the shave room house. She would just use her influence to whole Cardi beatdown. That's kind of crazy man like. We're tired. Yeah. It's like this is interesting at first, but I'm bored. I don't know how you feel about it. But it's hilarious. No, no. It was definitely funny. Like seeing Cardi in her element is always just kind of like, but it just. Actually, a real word. Oh, wow. Yeah. Dictionary dot com came out. And it was like, you know, that's actually a real words. I would actually get any dot com should a lot. All of that you see around here. Not the footage. Funny because every time Cardi has explained herself. She was like, yeah. I got a thick accent. And I don't think before our talk like that's literally what she said. She's like, I don't think before I talk I'm on unapologetic about shit and fuck and say shit period. So I'm like, okay. Well, that ain't working. Well, man, are y'all gonna dress things that he's doing this week? I don't even know what he's doing. He said he got tricked. Oh, I did see that. He got scam. From politics. True truce to. Real. They can. They're using him for right? Yeah. That was a real. It's what he's saying Kansas. Sorry, Kundus Owen not losing him. Because she said that he was attached to the whole, Greg. Sit thing blessed blacks it. Sorry blacks it, and he didn't like the fact that he was being used to promote something like that grow. What did you think was going right start speaking? I don't think he wrote that tweet. Yes. He did. Yes. He did that. Nobody writes, somebody writes, Kim tweets though, right? Kemp seems pretty articulate Tom went where it in sound. Like Kim, Ron, yeah. Yeah. Right. It's tracfone sometimes probably everybody knows his password. Now, so. I'm sure she knew it that is so funny zero says password I cannot. Well, everybody seems he's like going back on the ship that he said about Trump. It's like too little too late nowhere. Did he say he's not still down with Trump? The whole situation was more about Kundus. Right. People are getting on me onto the why are you just, you know, you're an example of a black man trying to keep it on a black band down. Yes. Because I was climbing cognac because the first time I saw it. I started laughing do this. You're only doing this. Because because Trump said you can't come back after that public fucking athlete, and you're doing is that true. I think I do with that. And I think has to do with the fact that is shooting. So I don't think it's really that he stopped and was like guys, I'm really I'm pondering for a minute. I think that you know, we said it semester. They didn't sell out like they normally do all the newest came out. Nobody fucking you like that anymore. And the thing about that tweet. You got is that they don't understand like, you're not the only one like black people walking away from kinda wis like, and that's some real shit. And the things he said has been harmful to him in the African American. They're coming back though, you think so the blacks absolutely, they'll always look at Twitter. Go look at Twitter's like they they're forgiving him. And not really I don't care either way forgiven. We we are he's finally coming back. Y'all y'all cutting him, and blah, blah, blah. Can. So it's not surprising. This all you needed to do say that. And then, you know, deliver some good as music put out his version of a step in the name of love and shit. The only reason I don't forgive him. Because then he come out and say, oh, I get it. I know the first time he did it. He was just like yes in the did that turn around and do this. It's like how many chances are you going to give them? You get them saying every, you know, we'll cancel them. And then we'll bring him back. We'll council. Like you at some point. You're like fuck you like now when he starts making music that they can jam out to finally say foot on you. You didn't got should do this politics with his music literally, and you know, some of his fashion not. His passion is tied to his music as well say everything I think feeds from his music and him being this. You know, superstar, you know, I think if he if he starts making like music that they can't defend anymore. Then they'll be like, okay. No we can count on. But they know they don't do it. Fuck really that sad. 'cause they'll blame the music on the politics. I mean, there's a lot of people out there. Like that y'all listen to never mind. Well, it doesn't matter. You've been saying a lot of the catch yourself lot. I'm not about me. What's going? I'm just tired the fuckers. That's all shit. I'm tired of arguments. You dumb fucking half ass half step in jackasses. They're just like, oh, we're gonna shit on this guy. But then y'all listen to because I do the same type of shit or cancelling con-, yea. But tall listening, motherfuckers. I do ten times y'all still listen to Chris Brown. But you can't like get the fuck out of here. I'm listening to the Chris Brown people. Just Joe old Asser Baya, whereas people still love some Chris breezy. Oh, yeah. People with but. Okay. Chris Brown fans are sick. Every time. He bring up his past like he's grown so much. Just let him maybe. That's great. Maybe has not. I think if he publicly came out and said, hey, I'm sorry. What I did to that. Little he did with a little bowtie man when I saw beat up. Wow. I remember. Well. Did you feel when you saw her? Hawas? What did you mean to be? Wow. Wow. Cute little Boateng's beam pie. Wow. I mean. But right. Oh my God. Wow. Listening. Well. Careers, just flew up even Chris Brown, still popular. But she just. Stats? It's like, wow. What else we got? So did y'all see this video of this white man who couldn't confronted the other guy at Kroger who shot those two black people shopping about the whites? Kill whites don't kill whites. So video I read there wasn't like a video of the shooting. But it was just kind of like, you know, after they cautioned off. So basically, what happened was there was this Kroger in Hus born, where's that great house borne? So there there were two I guess people like black people shopping or something like that. I think they were older not super sure their ages, but some white guy guess came in and shot both of them. And when I guess he tried to make a run for it in the parking lot. This other guy. This other guy who was armed walked up to him. And it was like a man like what's going on or some shit like that only white people do shit like that. And he was any. I'm not having a chat with the motherfucker with a gun. Running arms. I guess he felt safe or whatever. She was like. Yeah. He was like he was like, hey, don't worry about it. Whitestone shoot whites. And basically let the guy get away even though he just killed two people. So it was kind of like he tried to he tried to enter a black church. Video here. I don't know. It's actually video literally just the reporter home in the parking lot. Attempts. That is now surrounding her body would appear to be family members or loved ones they have been coming by escort by police taken to the back of the grocery store where they're seeking detectives. Now one woman who just she told me that jar is actually in addressing real of the storm the pop the gunfire and just stayed in the drafting room because she's terrified Annetta catcher. Toby was initially balloons, Hoppy, I did speak to a man who said that his father was out here in the parking lot waiting on his mother father heard the gunshots. Father was actually armed as well and confronted this year. This is what happened after that guy walked up on him and had a gun in his hand and my head. It's you're all set that up. Shoot. If he didn't shoot so bad. Stay in the golf park parking on. Yeah. Yeah. He didn't realize. Gumbo. He said don't shoot me. I won't Cheech. Whitestone kill whites. Yup. Yup. That's why we don't let them go. Don't kill lights. They don't. Not unless you're. Let's let's you know. I heard about them on new only us, we only we don't want that you, you know, each other. This proof this evidence right there. Good. Go ahead. Mike calls. You know, that is messed up, man. There's me about things like this. I think is just like. The fact that there's this will to deny the fact that white supremacy is still exist and as prominent as it was even back in the sixties and stuff, and I think that like a lot of people a lot of black people to have this opinion on what they would have done had they been around during slavery or do what they would have done, you know, in the, you know, segregation, civil rights era, whatever, but it's like you contrast that with shit today. I've seen so many like like parody tweets on this where it's like, you know, you wanna talk about what you would have done during slavery. And this not in the third puts you go boss walks by or like just little stupid shit like that like you talk this big shit. But you don't even act like this in your everyday life unit. I'm saying so it's like you have nothing to back it up. You wanna talk about? I'm not my ancestors. And I'm not, you know, my grandparents and this and that, but you push the real life when it comes to actually standing for something or standing for cause. And I think that that's a little bit. Separate from how I feel with the whole, you know, white America in general being like, oh, well, you know, we're post racial society. We don't really feel like that anymore, and there's all of this shit like even with politics and stuff fighting to even like progressive, you know, like with stop the care of crazy. Let the caravan. Here's a lot of terrorists. Never. L never Canada happen is shit. Like, this is just crazy to me vote for the Democrats. We've got to keep the van where it is. What did they say be the rifles Iraq's or something like that? Yeah. Yeah. Roxie rifles shoot them Daytona Roxette you. The rifles. About the the teacher that beat up their student. Yeah. Video I had the video right here. I think. Actually, that's what I want to exercise watch this. I was. Video. I. This video was captured sometime this afternoon here at may would academy it shows pretty clearly a teacher beating up on a student. We are pretty certain who this teacher is. But we're not identifying police and the school district have not identified him students here at the school. Tell me this all started because there was an argument between the teacher and the student in question about the uniform, the student was wearing it escalated. And then you can of course, see this very intense fistfight unfolding we talked to parents here. They're absolutely of on this video. That's what I can't figure out. I'm shot, but why didn't have to escalate to this point though. I mean, I'm shocked as a mom, I can't I send my my kids for school to layer not to heat. It's like an adult like not being the bigger person. Shut up literally shut the fuck up, man. These kids be doing all kinds of. Like is. He he snaps day. Look at it. Looks like the kid tried to swing him. I. Oh, but then later on it looks like it shows go towards the end of the video that beginning part looks like that was after the end of the video we need. Here. The I the teachers teach for. Swing. I but white though. Wing. He just really likes get. He looks like regular black. I can't. Doesn't he makes a difference? Handle. Absolutely, right. Becky black. I think you know, what I will say about this like, honestly, I do think that a lot of the times kids are honestly, not even assholes. But like worse than assholes when it comes to like the education system and stuff. And I remember I was in seventh grade. I'll never forget this. We had this teacher named miss Fayette, which meet with which she let us know ugliest Spanish, which I don't know why you would let children. Why would you let children know that? So now, it was a whole joke. And then we would always be like, hey, you know, like. You know, like this whole thing ugly. Ugly, ugly sharp people did you can't get mad. I'm possum ugly. I done basically, she was a math teacher. That's not super relevant. I just wanted to say what she taught but one day. I don't even remember how this shit started. But it was to the point where I think there was something that she asked the class to do that we wasn't fucking with. When when I say, we I just I was there whatever they literally ended up turning like flickering on and off the lights and like throwing books at the like at the whiteboard. And then they started like overturning, desks and shit. It was just like when I was in the classroom. I was like God what is happening? God myself like this is honestly some shit. Like, what are you going to church that low at please? This. The point where she literally ran out the room crying foul with Iran out to y'all possessed literally. Literally going back to this guy. Is there any point you feel like he was in the right? Swung. I yeah. Knock his ask the fuck out. Wait question because there was an there's a longer video with like out the blurs. It wasn't the one that was on the news. But when I saw it's like, it wasn't audible are on around. It wasn't clear enough for me to hear what was the the exchange the initial exchange. So I know that people are up in arms about it. But if that's the case, I'm assuming the kid was antagonizing the guy so kin if teacher peach ozone as because he do. What was your reaction? Oh, no, man. I don't. Did you get a couple of weeks? That provoke it. I would ask like what happened like how to this point? You know, d- push down the hit you two or three times and you'll defending yourself like, you know, was he the aggressor like what happened to get to the point where you felt like you had to fight my kid. And now, I don't know if this would help your. Responser answer. But I do remember when I was reading the comments of the original video that I had watched this particular comic got a lot of likes. This guy was like, you know, honestly, if my kid had ever acted like that towards a teacher or authority figure. I would literally drop the charges and on top of that. Let's soon as I got home beat his ass. What else the old school way? Like like, how parents would like you. You know, you neighbors could beaching kids. I know that. But when I read the comment it didn't come from like a he should never be disrespectful to any figure. No matter what the case, I it just came off. As like, I watched this video the way that the kid was literally antagonist the guy and trying to get he was like like, you know, how like when you're about to instigate a fight. You're like in somebody's face like do som-, bro. That's basically what I saw that. The kid was like following him around the room. Like, you're not going do shit, man. Whatever like like come at me, bro. Type shit out get you. But. And there's a better way to have out the room and you'll get the print. Right. Right. And then they have that that you can call too. So that's not completely different like if he's walking around, and he just, you know, you know, in his face, and then you know, at that point. Yeah. You are the adult, you know, but you could tell that that teacher was over the shit because at one at one point he literally like the kid kept like antagonizing him. And he slowly just went over to the other side of the room to grab his glasses case and took his glasses off as the kid is talking to him and just fold them up. He's folded them up and put it in the case. And then he walked back over basically on. What were you saying again, what what was it like it was just funny video that? Late in somewhere on Twitter. I don't know what the is. 'cause she's a teacher, and my mom says kids will do shit like that all the time. She'll just showing us go leave. She's like, I'm not I don't get paid to deal with this right act up. And I can't teach you I'm telling good don't confront a little kid crazy, right? And my father in law. He's a he's a teacher. He's he like he would be the kid has though. He knows how to handle it because they got security. He he he would know. He don't play. Put them on a certain military. Very strict very rare direct to the point of the to the kids and the parents when they come on now. We talked about a ninety nine percent black school. So, but he has to be that way. He asked to be firm. But but yes, so he he tries to control it before it gets to that point before the kids went up there because. Yeah, these kids man, they say all kind of threatening and crazy stuff. But as soon as you say, some you just made a threat, he go get security like this guy just made a threat, we're moving from class right away. Right running. That's it dead job. So that's how it should be handled. Like as soon as the kid gets start acting crazy somebody having removed, right? So so def said like so at so he wasn't in the right? Are you? So we don't know. We don't know what happened. The camp was just taunting him may walk your old ask fuck. And walk out because you know, these kids man, they they going through so much like puberty and and peer pressure on the smell themselves. Yeah. They. Asking bigger than someone to teachers that becomes problematic. High school of biggest. So so how do you do with that? So a little scrawny. He did. So. Trust me. I know, but but you. The entire twenty. Standing over him. Because we had down. He was hitting them from from above, right? I was thinking like man, you could probably just grab him. Thinking. Okay. So right. I was just grab it. What is what pow throw driver? But what does the one where the grab and then? Yeah. Real quick because he should know better the video Keller interested we say what happened. Yeah. But either way don't matter he done. This today. I got. I don't get paid. He was. I think it was the band teacher. Yup. Teacher teaching the wrong, grow Keith. What? When you realize all. Screaming? Mario. What happened here? Cry days he'd say because he wanted to get the game. Yup. Yup. He shouldn't hit him assuming that I got I got us. So. No one thing that kid is going to be getting clown the rest of the year. He changed. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Beat down by the behavior change. Oh, yeah. Yesterday talking. She didn't know mochi that teach one for the team. He was a martyr the help that. Help that kid. You talked to thirty like that. And get knocked out. You can look at his pasta because he would just into when he led his hands. Go because he had to say like this listening kept talking. I got Tom today. Right. I got a job day. Anyway. Right. Right. On the plane by leaving. Be here. Anyway. But see a kid like that though. Even though like the teacher definitely should've walked out the room, clearly, but a key like that because he know that teachers are supposed to walk out of room. They tend to be more, Greg and talk more crazy because they think that they can get away with that shit because the teacher can't touch new, and that's the role that did got you rapid fire. I'm reading these comments. Somebody was like you can't do this nonsense. You can't do this nonsense. Ghana? It was it was only one time some Liberian tried to fight our teacher, and he got jumped by four more teachers, somebody said not even in Nigeria. You're gonna get Lynch, bro. That's crazy. There was something that we you brought a Mike while we we were recording ah, welcome debt. And I can't remember what it was shit. I said we talk about it later. What it was? Now. Remember? Remember either because something happened recently? I don't remember son of a bitch about somebody getting hung or something. Well, I mean that did. Which suck. Yeah. It was. It was one of the activists Ferguson. I. But it was her son. He they were they found him Hong paying those mixed up. They found him, hey in the backyard or in the backyard, and they're saying it's a suicide which to the mom. Swearing like this nut all of that stuff that went down like they're starting to pick them off. Starting. It's been happening for years for years. Taking them out, man. Actually, it makes me sick to my stomach. Terrain. Blue vest McKesson fucking player. They after him. Yeah. Oh him somewhere. Running him out every seat. He go today might need to really think that. Planner the apes with after him. That would my mom. My mom is up and down that plan of apes is about black people. But you were playing the weren't you with? Shot argue with me, it was really about black people fighting the white people. So you say you say we monkeys and she stopped from issues like us. Mentioned on the last one about the Monkees starve. Oh, you'll never saw that. Estimates us and so oh. Facts only. So treasure white is that a last night while my car doing that lot. We don't have to do this. We gotta talk about. So it comes out her sister. You know, went on to you some live basically came out and said that her sister was making all this shit up. And and I'll be damned like you're pissed me off because you know, we actually have finished recording and went back and re record it like recorded that segment talking about that. I don't know. Well, it was a. Thing. But always seemed like a hoax too. And that's why I was sick. Like damn when we we kind of fed into it and gave her the attention seriously. She will seek it. Because remember I when I saw it. I was like this light some bullshit because she was saying every single like perp were every single negative stereotype that people have about black people. It's like that doesn't make you can't be that motherfucking specific in clear and turns out. Yes, she she. She made it all up. So and that a lot of shit was was false just to go to California just for free plight, and the mom was on it. Never hit better be serious. Yeah. Phillips this. He's fucking loving. And is she was used to a certain lifestyle. So she wanted to attention again. Somebody who the mom at the daughter, the mom. Yeah. Yeah. They had Dr Phil on the breakfast club. And he I didn't watch it. So he's talked about it since then. And they were they were like, Dr Phil talks about white privilege, and blah, blah, blah. I'm like man, I don't wanna hear fucking Dr Phil talk about shit right at this little Jerry Springer moment on your show. All laugh, it always seemed like Jerry Springer moment to me. But the cash male seiger was real that wasn't a hoax. I think he's really like that stupid in that ignorant that fucked up forgot what the whole with the hosted man cash male that. I know the town. Her mom sham. Be mad disrespectful. I thought regular chop doing comes home and says a cash mouse that dad. Black. They don't do that. When I saw that. Why here white parents all the time? Yeah. I. Name basis. Margaret, Margaret tomb. What did you say Mark, always Margaret? Generic? Tire market. This. And I was awesome shit. Like, we were you're riding somewhere, and he had his hand hanging out the window, and he put his elbow down and it hits the up button hands window. You'd never set it and he was screaming. I'm looking over the. He's like your. In the window. And she's like baby, I'm not and he's like stupid fucking. My tire stop. Right. Is going to die in front of my face and his like. Baby. I can't figure. Wait, wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. You a stupid fucking. I told my mom I've never seen anything like this. Bro. Even when he figured out that it was his own hand. That was doing. He didn't apologize. Whatever didn't apologize. He was like whatever I've never never. Man. I never. I feel so comfortable cousin. Parents got beat. We got popped in the fucking mouth just for spec food at the dinner table, right? We knew Ben the call our, mama. Stupid fucking bands. Right. The old man did. Better leave. This was your friend. Yes. My friend in like ninth grade our writing somewhere together driving somewhere, I think somewhere. On. He said my hand is caught in the window. Yes. It is you stupid fucking bitch. I even if I even have a raise a slightly raised voice. My mother is like deaf person Kirschner out what I have never even cursed around. I slipped up one time around my mom shit. That's it. That's it. You be spooked. Like, did you hear me? Yup. I heard you. Start cpr. But it was I was it was basketball playing bass when I got injured. So she got it. And I said, I said the F word law. Yeah. I said if we're so loud. But when she saw she would just kind of like, yeah, you know, like let s let my dad was like. Yeah. You know, you gotta let them eat that whatever treasure any final thoughts on that. No, literally. No. No, no. Yes. Just some fortunate and Dr Phil hustle but worked out for him. Yeah. Did and then the day actually, I I do have one final thought since. Now, we know that it's fake assuming that sister telling the truth that know that it's fake. Somebody will pass. You TV and you made a complete spectacle of yourself. Right. But that shit affects a lot of other people. Wouldn't you got to beat them? To catch them. Both. Thought how about that the the story of abuse faint ass-whipping won't get out as much as her actual video. Right. Right. So people just stop it there, you know, 'cause they don't wanna they don't want to report the truth. It was hard for eating found the truth. But the other one was easy. What's up guys producer cod here? We're about the diving to the common commentary portion of the show and at the debt dive into questions this question came from last himself assault, but I decided to incorporate into this self associate wondering why you don't hear Sophie. That's why anyhow hope you guys enjoy. He's. First of all everyone still commenting on the sound cloud. All. People really responded to the movie, the crying and the scary movies. Yeah. They would look at that. So this one is from. Oh, yes. Some people really like how are they lying about the checkout jazz pants? He's like, I don't know. Why like, of course, everybody cried when prime died everyone rooms lying right now. Recall girl Meyer. I'll probably do. I'm not denying just like fucked up liars. Animation liars cry. God. Are you kidding me? Fake now don't cry animation shit. No over I say, what will you wouldn't here? I'm like. I, you know, judge me because I'm crop animations. Do you have to movies that you cry man during probably caught all that? You got. Yeah. Most know about I cried at the end of pick six big hero souks house. Add animated. Mazing animated good. It's really cry at the end of that that Tyler Perry. Move would address elbow each elbow. Through our money. Get there we got. Through her shits. What was another movie that? I don't know. I feel like I feel like Pixar movies, Amy fad. This will call saying they make me sad. Like in like, my adult, and you. Okay. So I remember like three years ago. I think I watched the beginning of like, you know, how like Lancang starts with the whole like intro. And then it like the actual movie starts after she saying that whole thing and like they put Simba up on pride rock and stuff. I just started not you know, what? To. No we like. No over some shit. Didn't you? Oh. The intro. I dunno. I cried at the watching it and. Glad you brought a line and that was hit. I'm like fossil like that fucking movie. So no. I'll say movie, I can't wait for it. Twenty nineteen need to watch it again. No, I don't I can't wait for the live action version, you always wanna make everything about like the 'cause it's fucking lions hyenas and schilling fuck about this deep within that Disney in their fucking lies deepening. Musical. Deeper the lion have you seen? So I was using the live show either the show going to go see, no. The black cat. It is black line. You very cultural, man. I don't want any that shit. I don't care about the lion. Gear cat is offended. No. She's right. Yes. Some bullshit. Listen to me. Lying important, man. Lying king. Hold up a fucking baby live. So you're next year. See what lion? King already happen. What do you mean? In twenty nine. Doing. Live action line. Gonna be the the older Nala only notebook. Is that what big over? Go. But with definitely in lying. Why y'all playing? Simba's love interests. Yes. She was. Okay. Well, gobert. Even know. Just like. Fucking cliff fall. You're rude. Yes. Rick was there. He would he wouldn't fail right. Joke. Right. Real quick, quiet, man. Surreal sinc- had a comment never never outright crowd over movie. But the end of gladiator when Maximus is walking through the field to his family always gets me seriously. And when and when the elephant died in inside out, I was hurt. Inside out. I mean, listen, I purposely avoided that because I knew I was gonna cry. Movies. Make me fucking sad. Coming gladiator. I'm I'm stuck on that, maybe I won't cry. Now. Thanks. The funk report back, right? Esteban down. I agree with rod on triple X topic. If we need details for the stabbing, Dan we need details for the domestic abuse. Agreed that most times the women isn't lying, but it's a part of doing our due diligence as people in front of the Mike people in front, you know, what the problem with that communist, which is the problem with a lot of the comments which out of y'all get this. But these mother fuckers will stop the conversation halfway through right and tweet. Yup. Or the leave a comment, and it fucking annoys the shit and finish it and be like, oh, and I even say like I really need to stop doing that shit. It's like they'll be like, nah. It's also didn't say that. And it's like, well if you fucking listen to two minutes later, we agreed on that already low. Oh, I don't think anybody said nobody needs the details ever, right? That. Arguments. Such an absolute argument. It doesn't matter we like to go back to people. Don't listen, bro. We still love you Esteban. Thank you, just a conversation. Just kinda got off track. It is I think people will create arguments in their head just argue about because they'll just say some shit that you never fucking said dislike bre who you even with the mirror because nobody hears that. The mirror. That's great. Jack. Anymore like the man in the mirror. Larry Murphy was say Google. Remember? What the hell? Okay. DJ Alex in sixth grade. We was watching radio in class. I cried in having to leave Kuban. Kuban? Oh, yeah. He's gray was watching radio cried and ended up having to leave the room when they lacked in this shit. Even sat through that a long enough to pay with Cuba. Zone. Oh. Literally. So since last week, I was thinking about this question because I felt like mine were kind of you know, borderline. But you know, what movie really made me it didn't like I was in boohoo carring, but it really made me feel certain type of way, I shed a tear. Remember that movie with Justin Timberlake now? Should've. Where where he played this like the character? Because because I picture like that being my little brother and if like somebody took him and killed. Oh, man. Yeah. That was surprisingly good. He was a good actor. The White House to Sophie was that was the question was Timberlake talk. He's actually pretty good. So the initial question was just animated films or films. Yes. Paul lying about not crying certain things. I cry during lemonade, of course. Of course. Okay. But listen, I'm disa- myself because you always on some bullshit no-no literally should needs to. Now. No, what I thought the mothers of the movement like come in like to the because they were in the film that was touching to me. Oh, that's it. I've never seen it. Hey, it was like trayvon's mom, and that's a little bit different. Yeah. Now, I definitely cried though. Do you have a disturbing films? Apple disturbing serving films down something that made you like Cleese e you just like uneasy after you washed it. No. You only put just nose positions not too. I mean, I don't really watch movies. So I I did see the hate. You know, it's pretty good hurt. People. I that was motion tutor. I'm out in cry. Okay. Like, you don't know. What's gonna happen? You know, forget shot. This isn't the fucking trailer. Yeah. Right. Oh, wait. Are you? Sorry. One more. Dude, I've never heard his move. But he said the most disturbing movie in his name then pop up on the thing. Most disturbing movie for me was Trainspotting the scene where the do. In his sleep and then woke up covering his own ship. Made me throw up broke the best part is when like he comes out with the sheets, and he's gonna go watch them. Nobody does at like, the mom is like, no, I'll watch them talking over the sheet. The ship flies everywhere. That was less. Okay. You'll even seen it. It's bearing The Lion King. No, you're crazy. You're crazy too. Crazy to come back. Okay. Question of do y'all. If you could argue that there was a difference between being stuck up in boozy Diaw feel like there is is that the same thing. Now, I'm this was actually a debate that I had with a friend the other day. Stuck open boosy? And then if like if you are booze you like, what are the determining factors for that? I guess you could be stuck up and not boozy boozy enough stucco, you really think. So I think you can because I feel like boozy is like, you know, oh, I only drink this type of water or only like that's totally stuck up. I feel like stuck up is like looking down on other people. I only have a lot. Why why are you inviting mentioned that? I mean, it's not wise even coming up. Well, I mean. Could be the water thing. Because like you all you drinks, all drinks sparkling water p period where it was stuck up as fuck. That's nothing. Stuck up? His fuck. See that's moving. That bullshit. Would you pray? I only drink sparkling water broker you'll ask the fuck out. Maybe buji is the new is has replaced stuck up. Stuck? Stuck here? Cup as much. I I feel like to me stuck up is like you holding your nose up other people in the way that they do things in the way that they live. No, I think boozy is like. To star hotel. The same thing the way, thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty much they might be cousins. But they're not this is basically the same. Kevin gates game. Right. Same thing. I don't know what he called you Bucci. You like I'm not stuck up. Well, then okay. That nobody that leads me to my second question. What are the qualifying factors of being blues? Yeah. Being. Like concrete example of boozy. Yeah. Lasting class. It is. Because anytime I try to define like how I would feel or describe myself as boozy it's kind of like, I feel like all those things are like qualifying factors to just like live live like just kind of like having a very high standard of things, right? Like do goes. And he spends like forty fifty bucks. Total on the today show. Hey, I'm just giving you an example. I wouldn't know where this is forty is a lot of money to meet for you. Exactly day. Guess okay. If I spent forty that's the fucking side of the menu. Oh. That's boosy and stuff. I'm just wondering for both like for both of us. Yeah. Already forty four for the food for like, everyone me, and you okay. Forty food right light. Like, you you. You know what I'm saying? Like that's beneath your standard of date. That's that's fucked and stuck up. Exactly the same. I wanted to. But you booze is hell, you know, what I'm saying? Don't tap water. Is that boozy safety? Yeah. That's not. No. You said I only sprinkling lady. I didn't say that. Right. Said that. Okay. Right. You're always. Say like that. Okay. Yeah. If you don't drink tap water. That's not Baluchi. I wouldn't drink more wanna die. Okay. So let's say you dated the guy. Right. He pulls up like in the Toyota Corolla, and you're like, yeah. I'm not writing in that. I'm just saying, that's that's Bucci. Is it boozy if you get in the Toyota Corolla, and it's making sounds the hallway there, you're uncomfortable. Just be quiet though. Like, I'm fucking driving like shut the fuck. This should give you the work. Right. Wherever you car shut the fuck out exam. The one drive. Why don't you drive? Marta bus ask the fucking pay for why we start. Pay for over. See? I hate. Yeah. You're boozy and stuck up. That's that's look done. Get in my car start talking shape. What I'm saying? If I feel like it's a safety issue, then it's kinda nice on a safety issue. Unless the car breaks out if the car breaks down. Fine. A message. He'll get him up fucking then walk. I will gladly get like MLK and walk away. Get them up looking down a date once. She say she was like cool don't worry about it. I would allow keep you. Bouch Bucci and stucco. What am I saying around you about the fix this shit on spot? It says stucco his stand aloof from others because one think one is superior and Bucci is more about the class. It's like that one is thinking that you're. Better than somebody else. Because of something you think you're better than me 'cause you got him booking cars running your family. It's not it's not that. I think I'm better than you. Don't want to be in the situation. Okay. What situation you end up off-spin, forty dollars on dinner. What situation are you in still eat your full? So you. I'm talking about that now because you made talking with that. Pointing for everybody. Baz, nick. I was just trying to clarify because you know, what if you take me to poppies, and we have like that. Forty bucks. All right. Top of the questions. I wanna try to shorten as much as possible here. Look. Yeah. So he said don't use his real name. All right. So cool. So anyway, I was the big fan of the show roommate seat as well man share the show put him onto us. It was a Jay rock album. And then from there you've found a podcast. He was in Atlanta over the summer, and he said it helped him understand the show even more relationship question and just general life questions the first year graduate student and his girlfriend is at the college. He went to previously. He said they've been dated with two years, and and everything has been great. It's been worth it. He was down here. Well, he's recently we both had a three day weekend. So we decided to run out of Airbnb Smith time together from our usual spots my girls wanted to contribute. So she picked out the Airbnb. His girlfriend is comes with the fluent neighborhood. So she can pick out. You know was good. And is it so she picked out apparently area. That's partly Jennifer gentrified, and it's partly still in the so on the second day of their trip. He said they decided to go to a restaurant down the street while we were walking we pass liquor store that had three grown man sitting outside one how to forty and the other two were on bikes they were all between five eleven to about one eighty to two hundred pounds as. No, all this, right? As we walked devil. As we walked by one of them said to my girl, you're lucky you're within right now. Because I don't know what would happen to girl around here. Walking by yourself looking good as you do. He said his first instinct was the fight. But when I move he said, okay, I'll read at first instinct was to fight. But when I moved toward them guy furthest from reach toward waistband also can fight when I'm only five nine one hundred sixty pounds when we got into the spot to get food that guys came into me and my girl feeling safe afterwards. She told me that she felt safe and someone who cares about her felt like I let her down. But also felt like getting my Abby. But three guys wouldn't have helped the situation. My girl's friends felt like the situation best by not saying anything. But when I told my friends from home, they told me that being in college and made me solve not to mention the guy. She talked to before me was ten basketball player that probably wouldn't have been tried in the way that I would. In mushoo is an as beating ever worked. No. Resounding. No, it's okay. To just let this year. Ryen. The only way they put the hands on your right like, yeah. And if they would've walked up on you, you know, what I'm saying different like because because now that's a confrontation, you just talk some shit. Is that different? What different you're walking in a place. That's unknown to you three men or they're not gonna win leave. No one thousand percent, even if they roll up on, you know, they punky, and they must you leave. I feel you. I feel you. I just think that once they kind of engage. Everybody's going to handle the different. But based off of what he did. I think he handled it right because you did too. Because you don't want to incite the situation like young shit. I'm gonna be over here. Right. And if y'all come toward me, then it is what it is that feel like you have to make that business decision. Whether you are going to defend yourself, or or you or you going, you know, take that door take that exit left. I'll take it a step further than you like. So if you Mike so like, if it's a situation where they do more than cat, call into your girl in actually like, you know, Grabau arm, or whatever what are you doing 'Situation her arm back? And I say, let's go they keep doing it. Yeah. You yank her arm back? Right. And you try to here come one of those pushed the shit out of you at that point firefly. Yeah. I'm just saying that like if it's just a matter of just fucking with you. And even if they just one of them walks up any pushes you at that point. I still think you have to leave because look you do if there's three guys one with a gun unless you're fucking Lou. Or here's some shit. You're not gonna win this fight. You're just not. Let you. You're not gonna win just leave. Like, sometimes we have this mentality of all men. Shamil's me point you putting yourself and her in day. You know, what I'm fucked you up. They take your. While you for your friendly talk shit 'cause they weren't right? If they were there either they get their asking because they're stupid or have left to ride disagree with homeboy is when he walked into the restaurant and the dudes came in. He should have got up and left. Call Uber and go somewhere else. Right. Why did you stay because she's telling you feel uncomfortable? There's three dudes here. Fuck the food just go. And if your girl thinks you're a punk for that. She's not the right girl. Right. But I do feel them if he was six ten two hundred some pounds. They probably wouldn't say shit. They might have been wrong. Three of them got a gun. I'm just saying perception, right? I'm the shortest. The smallest dude. Here have been. I have a chip on my shoulder my whole life. But and I have a whole bunch of athlete friends that some day don't get punked the same or people don't talk to or they don't perceive him in the same way. They think that this little little lice gave red bone pretty boy just take his lunch money now. Hell, no. But at the same time, well, I have on these motherfucking. Visit. People opera three that man. I used to back in the day, really? Yeah. They do. Back. But again, that's that's. That's another call. One of my best homeys growing up. You know, this man play varsity football off for years as a freshman this man, sin seventh grade he was sixty to forty. Ain't nobody ever messed with him. Anytime I hung out with ain't nobody mess will say nobody wants to say. And then if they we've gotten into fights fights or whatever like that. But you know, most people see hating. I don't. Mango, take you some self-defensive self-defense classes, man, man, you need all watch. You some IRA fisburne. Don't watch. Really? Not Dr Brown. I wonder. Fisburne? All right. Quick story. All right. But what if the dues like look like punks three? Because. Got a gun like a punk. And he was stabbed him on the fuck. Right. It out there. Yeah. Going talking book you up now because I think part of me. Take the guys I probably like not not right now. But right back in the day. But like part of me like I could say these Knicks. I no you probably feel like to camp before. Right. Yeah. It's like I'm not gonna do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. About anytime. I'm just saying if they chumps laying Jolanda. Joel. You know, I don't know, man. I've always been in positions of situations where I had to make business decisions. And for me. I'm just like it's not always worthy. No. It is a business decision is. Young and stupid. Man. Even when I was young stupid. I didn't play those games. Marco's were crazy crazy. You know, you get influenced by the people you hang around. And and and you know, you're obviously your environment. And, you know, think growing up, you know, my cousin like, oh, man. You not going to be no punk or whatever. So that sort of thing. So that that plays into it. So, you know. Yeah. If you if you young man, you know, go to one girl like that. But that situation changed when he's told do was reaching into his waist, right? So then at that point you got to, you know, make make decision, and it might not be be worth. But as I've gotten older and wiser and I got time for that. So. But hey, man, you know, family, man. Way before we before really really really quick. What am I really really good homeys? He's like this back in the day this happened. He was like this this kind of skinny white guy with glasses. He started dating this black chick. This was back in the punk scene to really what a lot of black people in general. So when she showed up she was like, the talk of the town. Everyone was like got fucked. She come from. Yeah. They were out of where they were like going into Kroger or something, and he said there was a taxi drivers sitting outside and he saw them walking up and the taxi driver said yoga real you could have done much better. Much better. My boy, I was wouldn't they do what he was like I didn't do shit like one. Is him. And there's probably like a whole gang other like they travel impact. Yeah. His girl got man. It was like who you motherfucker, and he was like not able to score shut up. Yes. He was like be quiet. And I feel because I was like that was the best idea. Just like you didn't hear. So I. Actually did something that may soon. It was the first hire Rica. Right. Would you? You know, what like back when I was in high school. He's this girl. Name was gene. She Cuban chick super thick like dump dick. And I didn't realize how she wasn't. So we actually started dating 'cause like in the school close. You know, you didn't see it. I took her out. With the foot was all this. To private school or something like the majority of the time. But this this was the first day when I went to okay. What are you trying to this is the first guy didn't when I went to public schools American how because she had. Role right now. Because he because because it seemed like cling to it because you can see because he had on like not we this was public school. And she just she just didn't wear nothing. I was really sexy. Chewed rock jeans. And you know were a bit bigger. It wasn't always tight fit and stuff like that. So she really switched it up. Yeah. She she hit her assets. And then the first how much of that. But after we started dating, I never forget. We were you know, I wasn't driving at the time. We will taking the bus and stuff. It was about to go to the movies. And we were walking down the street and do that hogging her fat ass. I grabbed it like. Yeah. And his mind, but this this was the first time that I felt like dating her that that my man who was challenged by other men because she was super attracted. I never you know under. So that he got I'm like junior junior year high school. You know what I'm saying? So it's the first time, I'm actually dealing with this type stuff. So like for me. I was always just like. Yeah. Anna's mile away. You know, say so I kinda incited motherfucker. Come.