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We will talk about that and more in today's pod. Save the world with one of my favourite reporters and journalists and pinion writers on planet David, Ignatius of the Washington Post. You guys have David before he writes, amazing spy novels, he writes, brilliant columns, you should check out his stuff. I pay for the Washington Post just to get his stuff. So we talked about some interesting announcements about Iran's nuclear program that happened at the UN general assembly this week. We talked about North Korea and what David thinks might be the outlines of an actual deal, which could be hopeful. You know, it's a positive sign. So trying to give Trump credit where credit is due, if it is do so dig into that. We talk about people literally laughing at Trump's UN general assembly speech, and then we spent a good amount of time on China. How dangerous or not this ongoing trade war and war of words is a great episode. He's a hell of a journalist, and I think you guys won't joy. So here's David. Ignatius. David, Ignatius, thank you for jumping on the line. I was hoping we could start with last week's UN general assembly because while it was largely wiped out of the headlines by the cavenaugh news and by will he won't. He debates about Trump firing rod Rosenstein. There were some interesting things that went on in New York that I would like to touch on. So the first was these really prime minister Netanyahu revealed what he called a secret atomic warehouse in Tehran that he said Iran used to store equipment and material for its nuclear weapons program. That announcement comes not long after the massad who's these Rayleigh intelligence services, smuggled one hundred thousand nuclear related documents out of a different Iranian facility back in February. How big of a deal was this announcement from Netanyahu at the general family? I didn't think it broke all much new ground. You have to wonder about Iranian security in Tehran Israeli seem to be able to make off with the documents. Yes. Everything in sight. The basic point that Netanyahu was tried to make that the Iranians were seeking to build a nuclear weapon. That's now well established. I it. It goes the question of the credibility of Iranian promises in the JCP away the nuclear deal. They're going to stop those activities, but I didn't. I didn't see us fundamental step change in our perceptions of what Iran is doing the Iranian for message about Cerise called Netanyahu's presentation, quote an arts and craft show by a country that he says, needs to come clean about its own nuclear program. This he have a point. Is there a bit of hypocrisy there? How should we view this response? Well, Israel's nuclear weapons capability on the one hand is something that Israel is one of the world to know about, but as always wanted to deny formerly, they've liked to have it in this ambiguous state. But the been many histories written about how Israel built nuclear weapons at. The Mona many years ago as has its own nuclear arsenal. So I think it upsets the Iranians, but this is something that the Middle East is live with. Now for decades. I don't think there's any way in the world that Iranian protests about this are going to change Israel's commitment to wanting and and feeling needs to have a nuclear deterrent. Yeah. Well, here's a hoping the Iranians never get nuclear weapon. Also at the UN Trump's national security advisor, John Bolton gave this blistering speech warning around that. There will be held the pay if they cross us, but it was interesting to me that at the same time, there are all these rumors about maybe a possible meeting between Trump and the Iranian President Mr Ruhani it seemed like reading between the lines that Trump's team was genuinely nervous that he might try to meet with Ruhani Trump awesomely knocked on those rumors by tweets. He said, I've no plans to meet with Ruhani maybe someday in the future. I am sure. He's an absolutely lovely man was the end of the tweet. What did you make. Of all that are Trump and his team on the same page when it comes to Iran. So I don't think the Trump and John Bolton are pump is a bit of a mystery, the sector state, but you'd have to say, Trump drop the Hanky as it were last week in New York in comments, tweets, and what I'm told he said privately to other leaders, he now has a model in his mind from North Korea that if he is route talks really tough, makes a credible threat to use. Military force puts on a tough economic sanctions that in the end of the other side will be prepared to come into negotiations that they had claimed earlier they wouldn't, and that he'll be able to get the great deal that eluded his his predecessors, he, he clearly believes that's what's happened with North Korea. And I think looking at him, he's trying now to execute the same thing with Iran. I'm told that what he says to diplomats from other key countries is they'll be a tie. Time for negotiations with Iranians, they'll come around, they have no choice, but not yet. They need to feel the squeeze more. So we're going to have starting November very, a tight, tough sanctions. The effort is is going to be to cut Iran, essentially off from the international banking system by withdrawing the swift payments exchange that allows the Iranian banks to to fund transactions that that really is gonna hurt. Yeah. And I'm told by Europeans that those not likely to be any way to to stop that. So we are going to be looking starting in in November at a much tighter squeezing her on, and it's it's clear from Trump's comments he thinks sooner rather than later that that will bring them back to the table. I, I kind of like hearing that I, I love the thought of Trump being in Namur with negotiations because it feels like otherwise, there would be an awful lot of momentum towards a regime change policy with respect to run. So the problem with this, you know, little mechanism that Trump is created is that it. It it essentially is going to create havoc in the Iranian economy. The idea is to create severe pressure that forces the regime to negotiate with a country that had now thoroughly mistrusts after the withdrawal from JC peo- I, it's, I think, as likely that the result of this policy will be to create a failed state. In Iran, you know, a crumbling economy, an angry of public regime struggling to to hold on at becomes more hardline, not not more not more liberal and you know, you have to ask given all we've been through the last fifteen years is another failed state in the Middle East. Really something that's in in the US national trust. Maybe it will turn out the the way Trump wants that they'll that they'll feel oppression. I'll feel the squeeze they'll say, okay, you know what started negotiations. We'll put on the table things we haven't been prepared to before, to be honest, that would be good outcome who wouldn't be wouldn't be happy to see that. But it's a course that has all sorts arrests. And it is soon. That I told a hominy who who just, you know, hates the idea of compromise with America is going to be prepared to compromise with Donald Trump because the pressure so tough. You like the Iranian economy. My hope is now crushed, but you're right. If your read on recent histories that regime change always leads to good outcome. I think you're reading the wrong books. It's another collapsing resume, the Middle East, see that as being decorating, you recently wrote a great piece about North Korea and how we might actually be starting to see a real deal, take shape. It could include North Korea, dismantling some test sites, its main nuclear weapons facility in Yongbyon. All of that would be conditioned on the US taking some sort of reciprocal action maybe getting US servicemembers out of South Korea over some timeframe. I've been pretty skeptical about this Singapore summit actually accomplishing anything. And as recently as August, John Bolton was saying that North Korea not taken any necessary steps to denuclearize, but are. Are you starting to see more hopeful signs? So in the immediate aftermath of Singapore summit, there was absolutely nothing specific in the north greens. Just kind of played the rope adoped and Trump in his enthusiasm. Post-summit blush kept saying nice things, and I think people are rightly said, wait a minute. There's there's nothing here in terms of substance. Then the administration began to get a little tougher and a trip. The secretary of state Pompeii was gonna make to young was cancelled. Sure that private messages were passed that were more serious. And over time it appears the North Koreans began to say, okay, yes, we will allow international inspectors to come in and verify that we have destroyed. One of our missile test sites. They hadn't done that before. They don't like inspectors, then they said we would be prepared if the reciprocal US gestures to destroy their major nuclear facility at Yongbyon that shoot that you met. A moment ago that was also interesting what reciprocal concessions they looking for. It appears that what they want is a declaration of the end of the state of war between the US North Korea, South Korea, etc. That is the track that president moon of South Korea has been pursuing his own bilateral diplomacy with Kim Jong UN included. His recent summit that they had in my sense is that the US the key negotiator is pumpad state has been prepared to go along with that. The precise shape of the way the US is gonna is gonna phrase this, you know, I in effect, confidence building declaration is still isn't clear, but I think they're ready to offer something, and that's probably going to be enough to move the ball far enough down the road. But when there's another Trump Kim summit, they'll be something for them to sign. Well, the good news is that Trump recently told us that he and Kim Jong had fallen in love. After he wrote him, beautiful letters, I was so touching mean it's one of those funny moments where if democrat said that the Republican party would spontaneously combust impeach in invoke the twenty fifth and then but goofy. But you know. In a weird way. You have the feeling that this president, it falls in love with his own diplomacy in a sense. It's eight. Oh, it's narcissistic glove. He loves the fact that he's making this deal with Kim Jong UN, but it was a, it was a bizarre comet, totally about Trump and with crazy, he seems to keep falling uphill ain't does. He does and says, things that you think that that's the end of it. And then a couple months later, they're back on track. The is brought to you by the great courses now more than ever. It's important to keep learning and you can do that with the great courses plus lie. You can learn there yet, not learning as Lamer than learning. You should check out the course Jon, it's called thinking about cybersecurity from cybercrime to cyber warfare felt like that will contribute to my sleeping problem. It will contribute leaving problem, but it will help you understand the ways were under attack. In the ways we can defend ourselves. The government is falling short. It's what they were scared expert named Paul. 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But the people who have been moving the ball here really are the north and South Korean leaders, Kim and moon, Kim at the end of last year, made very clear in some speeches and government statements that he felt they had successfully completed their nuclear program that tested weapons and the missiles to deliver them, and they were now going to pivot towards an economic program at incense leverages their nuclear capability. Moon initiated his own fascinating, bilateral diplomacy centered around the Olympics, inviting the North Korea to to to be part of this Winter Olympic event show, and it ended up working on. I felt in that period, the US was sort of dragged along with a north South Korean diplomacy. That initially it wasn't all that comfortable with. Remember when vice president Pence went out to the Olympics and you seem really, really uncomfortable. But in the end, that was the driver and when the proposal for for some of between Kim and and Trump was presented to the president, he said, Yep. Well, I, you know, the more I look into this, I keep hearing that Trump has been sending messages pretty much since the day got into the Oval Office that he was ready for a summit meeting with with Kim that that he, you know, the all bluster talk was was accompanied by private messages that he was prepared to sit down and meet with North Korean leader. So I. I think this has been hatching a long time. But again, the decisive framers of these issues have been of the north and South Koreans, not the US. US has been a receiver. It's welcomed the diplomacy. It's now beginning to frame what the agreement would actually look like, but it didn't initiate it. I hope sincerely that it works out in the end. And I, I do also give Trump credit for bucking conventional wisdom and being willing to take a chance on diplomacy. This is a key pod, save the world moment in which Tommy detour sesame, hey, about Donald Trump's, foreign Boston. You know, I do think if you if you ran back the tape eight years and asked Obama like what he wished she done a couple more times. It would probably be there's every situation room meeting has fifteen people telling you why you can't do something and just telling them to get out of your face and I'm gonna do it anyway, would have been probably useful exercise every once in a while. You know, I just would add one thing Tommy from last week. One of the more outrageous things that went all, but unnoticed was when Donald Trump said that if Brock Obama. It's it's remained president. There would have been a nuclear war, but US North Korea because Obama was on the on the edge of pulling the trigger. I think he actually said what Obama said to Trump as we understand it is this is a really serious problem. I've really struggled with this. Andrew, it's going to be the most important foreign policy issue ahead for you for Trump to translate that into the the, he saved America from the war that Barack Obama would have started was really, you know, even even by Trump stairs. Pretty amazing. Yeah, man, you're right. I I saw that as come on, you're just lying, but another day another press conference. That's right. That's right. Eighty one minutes. Last question for you about the UN Trump gave the speech to the UN general assembly that included a line about how he's accomplished more than any other administration in history, history of our country and the assemble diplomats literally laughed. And when asked about a later, he said, yeah, they didn't laugh at me. They laughed with me. My question is I mean, it was one of those moments where you just put your head in your hands, but. Do you think this reflected any sort of sincere expression of how countries may have changed their opinions about the US or the just a funny? Maybe even silly moment with people not used to his bluster. So as I've talked to to foreign diplomats in the days since Trump was at the UN I keep hearing this the same thing, which is that the world is really reckoning. Now with the reality that that Donald Trump is president and that he has changed some of the fundamentals of American foreign policy. I mean, I think the reason that was that that awkward laughter at the president's boast was in a sense people know how much change, but the see it is as a positive accomplishment for the US that so many of our alliances are now more ragged than they were that we've withdrawn from so many global agreements that really most of the rest of the world supports. I think that's made people laugh like, what are you talking about? But I think the problem for our. Entry is that the rest of the world is now trying to figure out, okay, we never thought this could happen, but it's happened. And even if Trump is defeated, even if the midterm elections go for the Democrats, we have to now reckon with the possibility that could it could happen again that America's different place that what we thought. And that's what I see. People struggling to deal with thought that was behind some of the of the tension that you saw last week in New York? Yeah, speaking of tension, we have a ongoing trade war and often war of words with China over the weekend, the Chinese cancelled a high level security talks dialogue that included secretary Mattis secretary of defense. President Trump has recently accused him of meddling in our elections and apparently vice president Pence is going to outline more of the case for that argument in a speech coming soon. How bad do you think tensions are with China right now? Pretty bad. I think that Trump as in most. Aspects of his foreign policy wants to destabilize the his adversary, the Chinese, and he's succeeding. The Chinese are really flummoxed. This trade war trade dispute. Now, increasingly, trade war has gone further than they ever thought it would. They kept thinking that the there'd be kind of compromise point and they kept putting more on the table and it hasn't been enough. I the one point that reasonable people should agree on his that China's behavior in international trade has been a problem for the United States and for all of his trading partners. I mean every time I go to China, hear stories from the American European companies that are that are operating their execs. Tell me we are sick of having our intellectual property stolen. You know, basically being in their view, mistreated in this market, not given fair access. So the idea that it's time to have a different rules that are a little. Fair is correct. That's not just Trump saying saying that, but I think almost any western business person who's done business in China is probably better to try to re redress that the terms of trade the rules for this game. Now, as opposed to ten years from now in China will be even more powerful. So I think again, reasonable people should say, okay, I think the question is how much crockery I was gonna say, China. It gets broken along the way right in in doing that. And what's the damage to the global economy to living standards in China and the US around the world in that in that process? I think that's the delicate issue. And you know if Trump plays true to form, he'll do the same thing. He did with Mexico and with Canada, which is he'll he'll take this as far as he thinks he reasonably can go. And then I'll cut a deal. Yeah, but you know, maybe not maybe maybe the Shine's won't won't give him that opportunity. That's the risk, right? I mean, and it's interesting because again. I mean, he just recently authorized another round of tariffs on like two hundred billion dollars worth of Chinese goods, and they're reportedly voices the White House who think that the only way to really stop China from doing the bad things you just described is to really make them feel economic pain. But again, interestingly, when when this trade war was first suggested we were all warned by the the same experts that it would be a cataclysmic event for the US economy, but the stock market is still through the roof, the economy's humming along. I mean, is there a problem of crying wolf, or you know, are we just sort of on the precipice of something pretty bad here? Well, you know it, it could get much worse. I think the first thing I'd say is that if you wanted to really go after China and change the trading relationship, the stupidest thing you could have done the start with was to get rid of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which was the gathering of all the nations, but China in a trading group that gave the US str-. Strength in dealing with with a Chinese shrink. That knows I look back was such a such a fundamental mistake. She can make concessions, but he is now on such a pedestal. Well, I think his maneuvering room is limited much as Trump says, and you know, bad things happen when people back themselves into corners and keep, you know, kinda doubling down and all of a sudden there isn't anyone left to to compromise and then and then you get cracks in economy in our stock market has done great, but you know, you get a crack and then yet, you know, it could accelerate Chinese economy is a little more precarious than than we sometimes thank there's so much debt overhang the system. So it's there's a fragility here that we forget about. And when when Trump just keeps making announcement and other senators, another set of terrorists, you forget that the honor lying set of relationships. Can't that economies do suddenly get hit with shocks, and we'll. We'll have. We'll have quite catastrophic financial crises. We lived through one two thousand two thousand nine. We live with many in Asia, so let's just hope that we're not heading toward that that we're instead heading toward a deal that will lead to better fairer rules for trade with China. The world is brought to you by Turner, John. This is the single most cryptic piece of ad copy I've ever gotten. I still don't really know what about something to read it to you verbatim. Okay. The only way the president can save Washington DC is to nuke what? No, not this president. If you think that doesn't make sense, then you don't know president, Phil, Ken, seven. 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He negotiates increase the percentage of car and truck components that have to be manufactured in North America from about sixty two percent about seventy five percent to qualify for no tariffs some see that to be a positive for car manufacturers. It also has to pass through our congress Mexico's congress candidates congress. I mean, did you think that the announcement or the update was meaningful and and we have think as chance of getting approved? Yes, I think it's a modestly, an improvement. It's like what the administration was was considering it embraces the kinds of standards that were in the Trans-Pacific Partnership in the NAFTA US Mexico, US, Canada, relationships. I think. If it's true that a basic problem in our country is that the middle class hasn't sufficiently shared in the prosperity that the global economy has brought. Then a trade agreement that says that wages for auto workers in the US, Canada and Mexico have to be higher and that the percentage of the total car that's made in those three countries has to be greater. You know, hard to argue with that. It's good again, the questions, how much did you have to break along the way to getting that good thing you know was the breakage warranted because the the outcome will benefit enough American workers and we'll just have to look more carefully we so so few details this deal really clear yet, but I wouldn't. I wouldn't say that it was a, you know, meaningless, simply a renaming of it. I think there was a little more than that. Yeah, there's some interesting. I mean, I think you know, maybe if you're an apple farmer, are dairy farmer or you know, certain unions seem to like it, but thank goodness. We've dealt with us. Terrible Canadian dairy. I know. But you know, it is interesting to see. You know, someone who I think is defined a lot of his policies by tearing things up shredding the Iran deal. When they go and try to construct something or build something new, it's harder. It's interesting to see them bump up against that reality. Yup, I agree, it's, but it's good to see them Bill something as opposed posted, just stirring things down. Yeah, speaking of very difficult things to build you. You also wrote a piece recently about the depressing state of the Middle East peace process that was pegged off the fortieth anniversary of the Camp. David accords and the twenty fifth anniversary of the Oslo accords and I came away from reading your piece looking at the state of the region and feeling like not only is the Middle East peace process dead as at least in the form that we knew it. But it may be the case that US influence in the region is permanently diminished, and that is not a criticism of the Trump administration. Brock Obama didn't get a Middle East peace deal by not even close to spite trying very hard. You know, it's the q. Cumulation of decades of failure. Am I too cynical because you quoted some people in the piece that have done this a lot longer than I've been alive that remained optimistic? Well, I think optimism is is in minature probably yours most people's we. We want there to be peace in the Middle East. We've wanted it turned out more than the parties themselves seem to want it in this piece. I just reflected back over to many years of of covering the story of the Israeli Palestinian dispute for start covering the Middle East in nineteen eighty. And again, and again as hard as United States tried to bring peace. What I said in this article was that piece just kept preceding attitudes hardened. I described individual, the Palestinians and Israel as that I'd known, you know who who had been eager for compromise, you know, been the very soul of this peace process over time becoming more and more. Just frustrated and alienated. The willingness to compromise just beginning to slip away. There's not much land left in the West Bank. When I travel the West Bank looking for high, you'd create a viable Palestinian state there, man. I mean, it's just it's harder and harder. The settlements do make a difference sisters, the physical area that's available. So I I've ended up sadly feeling pretty pessimistic about this. I think as the Israelis live with a one state solution and the dilemmas that that creates for Israel, I think maybe they'll be a rebirth of interest in the two state solution. But I think for the next while we're gonna live with with the reality that the peace process as we've conceived, it is dead. Yeah. Last question for you over the weekend in Asia, dealt with horrific earthquake in a NAMI. You're seeing hundreds if not thousands dead. The normally. When something like this happens, the US ends up leading a coalition to respond. You know, we saw it in the Fukushima disaster in Japan. We saw in Haiti when there was a similar massive soon NAMI disaster, all over the Indian Ocean President Bush really push to get relief. Is there a similar effort underway or are we just have we abandoned international relief support efforts like we used to do if through is such an effort, it has not been forcefully made visible to the American the world. You know, this is I guess part of the America first mindset, the will worry about our own Zastava and you worry about yours. I found myself thinking this week, we have signs of the perhaps a new Ebola crisis in Africa, and one of the things that President Obama got very little popular credit for was the way mobilized American resources to deal with. Really scary outbreak bowl during the second term, his presidency, and it takes that commitment you yet. You have to work to mobilize Ursus the US government to make a difference. Climate disasters, natural disasters in Indonesia, outbreaks of of the disease in any part of the world end up affecting us. I mean, we, that's one thing that I thought we'd learned during the Obama years. I seem to be forgetting. It is one world baby. Yeah, and, and you know, you may not think that it matters, but you know, it's just like the famous quote that's attributed to Trotsky. You may not be interested in the revolution, but the revolution is interested in you. The gray may not be interested in the world disasters, but they're win. They're coming to you. They are and we, you need to mobilize for that. I think about that A Bola period of time all the time because it didn't just take the marshalling of resources. But it was a temperament issue because Donald Trump was among the many voice. Saying, shut down the airports, stop all flights from Africa, you know, like we're not. We shouldn't provide support for US doctors who went over there and who are now sick and all of those things. While you know feeling, you know, maybe they made sense on paper, but all the experts were telling you actually, that could make things worse than better. And I just I truly fear what President Trump would do in the moment in extreme disaster like that. I don't have high confidence. I sure that President Obama, your former boss gets ding sometimes for retreating from the world full week leadership. If you want a model of what good reassuring leadership is in crisis bowl is a perfect example. I mean, you know, the United States population was ready to panic, and if if there hadn't been steady clear explanation of what it was we were doing, how we were going to keep this contained, you know you, you could have had the kind of hysteria that that then leads to a really severe pub. Yeah. So you know, man, let's not forget how that do it. Right, which in this case Obama did. Yeah, agreed David, thank you so much for your time. It is always so much fun for me getting to catch up with you because you know, right, great opinions the people's to check out in the Washington Post website, but also you're doing tons of reporting and talking to these foreign diplomats and actually helping us understand what's happening on the ground in these places. So thank you again. Well, get back to DC. We're sick having you. It's really sunny here though. It's nice. All right. Thanks again. I'll talk to you about by thank you again, David, Ignatius, and thanks to all of you guys for listening. If you like to show you know what to do, share with your friends, review it in a tune store. More importantly, could've voted America dot com. Register to vote, make sure your friends registered. 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