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Its Not Too Late to Get Into Peaky Blinders | The Watch

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Its Not Too Late to Get Into Peaky Blinders | The Watch

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Today I was joined by my good buddy too and we talked talked for the most part about peaky blinders now I don't think we got into any spoiler territory the new season starting on Friday on net flicks and and I don't think we really got to deep into anything that was like this character lives or dies so this is not about season five yet which we haven't seen it's all about the first four seasons but it's really all about thou peaky blinders has been like the slow burn really really really solid television show basically over the better part of this decade so as a really fun conversation with Juliette we also got into a couple of other other digressions in there especially about Kilian Murphy instagram accounts. We will be back on Monday. Greenwald will be here and will also have the audio from number one boys with me me and Jason Concepcion our succession after show you can watch that on Sunday after successions East Coast area. Hbo You can find us in all the usual places and then we will be coming to you next week after the season finale. We're going to do that on Monday so we'll watch everybody will watch it on Sunday and will come in and do number one boys on Monday. We'll have reactions then and can't wait for the end of the season succession meaning like I can't wait to see what happens. I wish the show never ended other than that. Let's get into today's show and talked to Juliet right now. I'm joined by Juliet Lebron to talk to me about a variety of subjects as she always does what she joins to watch. Thanks for having me crafts great to be here. Where do you WANNA start. You WanNa talk. Let's start a little bit on peaky key bonders phenomenon which is coming back on Netflix for its fifth season tomorrow on October fifth yes October fifth fourth right and and it's already aired in England I if you already watched the English. They haven't so you saving it. Yeah I had to say off some of my hair favorite websites for a bachelor's. Take some of your favorite websites. Daily Mail DOT CO DOT. UK favorite of Meghan Markle says well no it is not I feel conflicted about the Daily Mail but you know I just has all the photos that I crave a so be blinders wild popular in the United Kingdom sure and as a result the day after the season five Premiere Daily Mail has like a spoiler article in the storied right rail okay and I were they usually have look at this footballer with a this way to Essex Anyway but anyway the only way it's only way is Essex Star on a yacht yeah drum corps like Meghan markle steps out or you know any any of that staff right but it wasn't that spoiler. I was like Oh this is back it just it you know. This is not really spoiler. If you've watched any seconds at the P. Liners they're like bloodiest premiered e blinders history. My okay like what does that. Is that that even true. Have you done the math Daily Mail but but say it's back people are excited about it and yeah I'm looking for. I I can't wait. I want to talk about how I miss peaky blinders. I'd love to discuss that as well. I think that there's a huge thing about like the intimidation factor of when you know that you have three seasons sends out of you right and it took me quite a while to realize those three seasons were only eighteen episodes. Yeah I mean that's one of the things that's so great about. The show is that if you it feel like you need like really entertaining and fun serialized drama right now why not picky eaters because you've six fresh up so it's coming to you and only twenty four to catch up on that is the same as that's less than the first season of like many network shows from the nineteen nineties yeah unlike a lot of movies today and I would say maybe like like about five or six. TV shows that are on it's unlikely unless you go to the Daily Mail Dot Co dot UK virtually that you're going to accidentally walk into some peaky blinders spoilers on Friday night very likely because that tends it tends to be a little bit like kind of walled off in its own peaky blinders world but it is incredibly popular. I think the main thing and I've talked about this a little bit was I started the first episode a few times and I was like this is pretty cool and then early two thousands garage rock would start playing the bad sees. It was really stupid but it was the Nick Cave. Part is the theme song I was okay with it was more like Arthur and Tommy you go to a bar and jet starts playing or you know the vine starts playing yeah and I was just like this is a really really stupid choice and sometimes even in season season three season four. I'm like I wish they just like had like classical music playing or like old timey jazz playing or something that was a little bit more period appropriate yeah when they do do scenes jeans where they're dancing to jazz or something. I'm like this is what it should be like. He's into the hives. It shouldn't be hate to say I told you so. I think that also this is really silly but for me with a lot of British shows the accents can be a real barrier. GotTa go full subtitles with this show and not look back. Quick subtitled conversation at little digression. Do you find yourself ever mostly reading when you're watching it with subtitles like. Do you feel like your actual. I- I- i- line is going bottom of the screen yes i. It's almost like a weird Lake Chernobyl yeah actually yeah and some people don't like subtitles titles 'cause. It's almost like spoiler because like you'll steed onscreen before it happens. It's bad for your comedy because they put up a blurs off the timing doesn't and have the timing of the comic interesting because like when I watched the inbetween airs I never considered pudding subtitles on but I did watch sex education with subtitles and I didn't really I love sex education. Now everyone else did you dare girls now. Just thinking about that girl incomprehensible without subtitles as somebody who's lived in Ireland for six months. You're saying cannot understand it. It's essential with this show for dramas at does kind of help me follow along one thing that depresses me is that just my comprehension for television is so down so like like my attention for it like I just I played two dots on my phone while watching so many TV shows in Amherst by it does peaky blinders count like do you watch. Do you do other things while watching peaky B.'s now I was really I watched it last December when I was living with my parents and I was just like I'm busy. Please don't talk to me like I got to watch this show. How did you parcel it out. 'cause I've had to like really mainline it. which I think has been both good and bad? I saw the twenty four episodes. I think I watched in like three weeks. That's PR- that's that's kind of close to where I'm going to be because I think I started watching it. In philly. I watched like a full season on a flight back from Philly and now I'm approaching home plate when you get into it. It's really fun. Yeah I just want to keep going and I this of course brings us to what are the most electric and dynamic characters on television male characters yes since don draper the one and only time we shall be so this is the thing that I most apologetic for. I found God late in life and he is an Irishman named Kilian Murphy who is having this text message conversation actually back and forth little bit. Sam Dotson often gets cited by text messages on this pod with Sam and this is the second half. We're talking about him today. Is it yeah yeah but not on the spot. No I just said earlier say my favorite twitter contests his twitter. I mean Sam's an absolute American institution legend Yeah and and he supports this pod by giving league really good ideas when we taxed cat Zantac's me talking about how he particularly cares for D. blenders but Killian early in the Killian Murphy's of the World TV's to be their their shine. It wasn't like oh Amy Adams. Come down from the majors to do a six episode show or are somebody some major star Matthew mcconaughey and Woody Harrelson we're going to do TV. It was the person who in movies was usually supporting actor or maybe just in indie films or movies that you didn't really see a lot. The bad guy in red is the guy who's in twenty eight days later and then Kilian Murphy gets twenty four hours to complete. We live in and inhabit this character who in any other actors hands. I would be not nearly as interesting. I think that his performance belongs long the conversation among the best performances. I've seen on television. I agree and I want Parsa. I just WANNA say the only other actor I could potentially see being Tommy Michelle be it's Christian Bale. That's the only one but even Christian Bale. There's it's not even like a WHO's a veteran actor. It's like Killian. Murphy's eyes is are actually so much more humane than Christian bills like there is a certain warmth to his demeanor they even when he is doing dastardly shit or being machiavellian like I there is a warmth and a connection that I feel to him that I don't often feel when bail is pretending to be blind in the big short yeah. I don't even remember that so we're losing tons of weight for any movie as Hey do. I lose weight for this revealed in Kilian. Murphy is amazing mazing because unlike ever with Kristen Bell. We're always like wow Christian Bale's really going for your like Tommy. Wow Tommy like oh my God this character Eric dirt restraint so much restraint and you just I lose myself to Tommy Shelby and not like wow. I need to sit down watch Killian Murphy performance and that's why I think it's more akin to Johndroe boroughs talking about this and she was like comparing them as characters. I don't think I don't think Tommy and Don draper have very much in common to be honest but I do think both actors so deeply habit the the character yes that they make you think of each other because it's sort of like it's like a perfect world has been constructed for the character and like peaky blinders perfectly suits this amazing performance. Kilian Murphy gives to be this incredibly complicated and like objectively vile human who you cannot help but fall for I mean I think he's is is a big part of it. It's a really good point. There's so much light in them. All the time in the show Joe is pretty dark both in terms of its visual tone and like as Greiner it's grabby yeah absolutely and he is just absolutely incredible in it. He dominates literally literally every scene of the show. I think he's in ninety five percent of the scenes trying to like some Arthur scenes. There's some but he's in so much you bet yeah and he absolutely carries it and is just a a magnetic force like there are a lot of actors like this out there. He operates the police of restraint yeah which is something that can be easily read is sort of you know low energy or not bringing enough to the table in terms of like projecting acting action and activity on screen and passion but what it means for Kilian Murphy because he is a very personable actor and he really is watchable is that when he does get hyped up upper when he does lose it in a violent way or when he's just even like in the beginning of season three and he's just kind of like in a tailspin a little bit it becomes that much more magnetic because you're I used to him just like walking in and just being completely cool in every situation it is a like don draper in that sense thunderbird was always like to cool for school in all these situations and then when he does have have those personal like trials and tribulations like. Oh man watching the sky on like unravel is fascinating. I I think that also with both of them and it's so true Tommy Shelby the where he he wears his suits and he's always in a suit essentially really works to show off the special gate that he has like how he walks and it has so much command and also like always seems like he's in a rush like he's never like walking casually when we see him walking. He's like he's off to go somewhere. Maybe to kill someone so you. This actually segues weirdly into one of the things I love the most about this show is how much it takes advantage of the means of communication back then we're talking about one thousand nine hundred nineteen to the nineteen twenty twenty s I obviously the time between the warring land yeah when it set over the course of a couple of seasons and one of the things I love is the necessity of like face to face communication and all these situations and how Tommy essentially his day is like doing the rounds and into the garrison and going into meet people and talk to them and he s like grab grab people on the street and talk to them and it's a very even though it's an I would say it's sneakily driven by style like there's only a few set pieces per year. I mean there's some fights and stuff like that but for the most part there's like a big thing that happens at the end of the year. Most of it is watching. Tommy go through his day and negotiate. It's really true. Oh and he pays a visit. It's like what are the most workaday representations of a gangster on TV where like he's. He's checking in with people he's intimidating mandating people he's scaring people and he's taking care of his family and he's tried so essentially the overarching story. I don't know if you're still listening if you haven't watched yet but this is supposed to be kind of like a way to entice people to check it out is that it's the rise of this crime family in Birmingham England starting in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine thousand nine hundred and and I get confused because nineteen seventeen is coming out yeah big time for one yes which is your you know as we don't the only reward only real World War Two only real war during World War Two was the Coda yeah just the epilogue and it tracks the rise of the shelby family and Tommy's somewhat sincere efforts to take the shelby family legitimate with with its business concerns and in the meantime he has siblings who are at once his allies and also like flies to some of these yes and hits a real sweet spot of if we had gone if you could go back in time if if if I if I if I covered the show in a different way from when it started when we were still at great length we were doing Hollywood prospectus or if it wasn't this absolute like flood lot of content right now. I think this would be one of the biggest shows on TV if it's not already 'cause I think is actually quite popular when you find. PD Blinders Fan they're like they really WanNa talk tonight et which is as I keep saying that you've become like marsh after goal for all of my thoughts and this is this is really exciting for me. 'cause I watched the show. Most of the year Goethe's whereas Chris you need to watch it and you're just like maybe I tried to get into. It was just like it's just one of those things where I asked you to watch good fight for like five years. Did it violated I'm watching peaky blinders and it's the right mix of actually thought provoking actually informative. It's a really interesting to just read about lake to see all this stuff about the way that different cultures clashed in London and Birmingham at the time and just like the way that the those cities were sort of shaped by the post war dynamics. I think also just one thing that amazes me about early. Twentieth Century Staff is like how shipping was like such a uh-huh vital import export yeah. It's like art van. The Art van delay way of life like was so vital for so long that comes across very clearly with Birmingham which like Israel on river that's like. I don't know it's just it's just so crazy in our in our digital twenty-first-century life but like just the really basic transportation of Steph know the importance of like half the city's if not more than the world are because of their relationship to a body of water yeah absolutely and there's a lot in peaky blinders about like who controls the roads who controls the waterways and like how that affects your business and it's so basic straightforward but totally lost in like so so many the only thing ever addresses that really Captain Phillips. CNN last like five years. It's kind of funny. Guy Shink crew made upstream caller in another grand lodge. His big like next project was supposed to be about modern shipping. Oh that's never it didn't seem to get off the ground. Let's make it a podcast. I listen listen just chink roofs talking about this movie. He may okay. Let's on what some of the recurring stars in the show also wild well. I just wanted to say the this. This is the perfect mix of slightly hypnotic and it's like just enough hypnotic and trashy and also and repetitive so that you never really feel like to jolted out of like why isn't Arthur like this or you know like where's Ada. They're always they're always kind of the same but then it also does move the story along and there are enough new interesting arrivals on the scene most notably Tom Hardy and season two which is just Kinda like that that is I should be brought up on charges charges because it's one thing to just be like. I didn't like the music but Tom Hardy please. A Jewish crime family boss Alfie assignments. I think he's it's also diamond dealer. I'll Solomon also a diamond dealer and also just seemingly Tom. Hardy is just like improvising dialogue the entire time. It seems like he's having having a great time. It just seems Stephen who I want to get to but Tom Hardy header and blast a glass yeah and it's like a really cool character given a lot of room to operate eight and he sort of is a double agent and beyond even ever know who the two sides are like it. It's hard to tell who he's playing and what and when and he is. He's like a joy to watch on this show. We've Kilian. Murphy keeps a straight face in those scenes with him and he's like you fucking know. If you don't know then you know so after I will. I you know youtube addicts next and like for some reason the two things that I need to know like after I become interested in either a performer some kind is like what they're like in real life and so like with the musical act that means like I need to watch their life performances like a nauseam until I feel like I just really do you judge. Tom Hardy's like junket interviews Tom Hardy and killing Murphy. I I was like I want to see these guys together in real life and thank you to our Guy Christopher Nolan. There are a lot of interviews with that but only know on projects none blinders. I wonder nonetheless it's really fun watching them. Do interviews together. We're Killian. Murphy clearly despises doing press like he just at least he has a really good long interview and vulture today with Matt Zoller sites but even in this interview you can see him to sort of kind of like coasting through yes e- clearly despises it. He left London and moved back to Ireland fourth. He's flying yeah. Yeah moved back for a quieter life. He I think really likes doing theater because it's sort of like he can explore his craft without the without all the pomp and circumstance of Hollywood. I think he probably likes doing this. Show because like you do it for like three months. I'm all set here. I'm go to the Saint Ann's warehouse and do a thing with covering feathers. I really wanted to see did not get to you but I do press together and Tom Hardy you. In these interviews like is riffing. Tom Hardy instead of as Alfie Solomon wild killing Murphy just kind of like sitting there looking like either bemused disinterested in like clearly waiting for it to be over the same thing as like actual picky yes Tom Hardy will pull a gun on him and then put it down and then spit on his hand and shake them and they give him Rum Punch him in the face. It's just like to extremely gifted actors who are so different yeah and their energy and peaky blinders is so captivating because they are really like playing thing off each other and both of them are having fun and they're different ways and then when you watch them in interviews as themselves. There's a clear comfort there where they both are also just like when the fuck is is over in their own ways and I I love it. I just there's not enough disdained from actors. These days are there to cooperative because they all want to have nice things said about them now. They're it killing Murphy Noor. Tom Hardy care and Tom Hardy on in the show like he pops up. He's alive no spoilers. No I mean 'cause Tom. Hardy obviously has is a relationship with Stephen night that goes back to at least lock which was locks. I direct Oriel effort and LA embarrassing locked. Now you know what it is now. It's Tom Hardy plays like like a construction contractor like these in charge of a cement construction firm and the entire movie. It's like an eighty five minute. Maybe Ninety minute movie is set in Tom Hardy's car. You're making multiple phonecalls driving down like the M. One sounds like that would have been a great golfer. Kilian Murphy sounds good lockout so Stephen is Unreal Juliette Person. I don't even know if you know that I just remember with him from from P binders but tell me more. He's the creator of who wants to be a millionaire. He is yes what yeah so he's mega wealthy and this is his passion project. He's mega wealthy and is one of the most prolific and successful modern servers and we don't even talk about it and I would say routinely works on incredibly interesting shit. Even if it's not always super success. He just blew my mind for instance he he wrote the Bradley Cooper Movie Burnt that we have so much fun. He incredible wrote the girl the spider's Web the sequel to the Steve Larson Movie Yeah he wrote that movie serenity which was like dissecting they add hathaway math mcconaughey movie from last year that was like everybody lost their mind because there's like eighty five twists in it. Oh my God allied allied yeah he did that the Christmas Carol Mini Series on my God and he is the Creator and writer of Taboo of Coronel Hardy one of your friends what he is one of he worked on the Apple Original C. J. Samoa. That's coming up and I think he is one of the writers on the Sequel World War z like he you just Stephen Night. Come on the watch. What are you doing. That's that's our guy but I live in Carpool Tam and then Sharon office with him for three years great. I love it when a person is like I got dumb rich off this earlier. This is the WHO which one of the men in Blazers Michael Davis Mike Davis just like I'm just GonNa Blazers for us in my life caked up plots watched happens happens live. Oh yeah that's right he is he rose like he's. He's killing it many times over but yeah he doesn't want to have a baseline of success from which to them all you need to do is is invent either who wants to be a millionaire or survivor with Mark Burnett good. You know to do any project you want after that yeah those who speaks like a real time and place where like the turn of the century if you came up with a really good reality game show idea like yourself. I mean that's many of the richest people people on TV like came up with really good ideas for like from two thousand nine hundred ninety two thousand five and like now. They're all good right like chocolate. Basically the same is the market gone on the bottom out. I think the long running network show who's the masks singer Creator is. That Person Kate's that person's Korean okay. I think career I I don't know but at least like starting in Hollywood like the long running network show regardless of Genre or category is Kinda dead right like that's just is not if it doesn't already exist. It's probably not gonNA launch unless it is like the massing or I'll be curious to see for instance like whether Young Sheldon runs as long as Big Bang theory. There's absolutely really no way but that probably already that has a better chance for it because it's probably a bigger international market for syndication and that's why a lot of these shows were sustained for so long but that's just not not. GonNa happen anymore so like does. Stephen night even happened like a Stephen Night get to make all that green from one like ingenious evergreen no pun intended projects to go on and do PD blinders again. That's amazing though I wonder if he's able to just sort of say in certain places like I will. I don't know if he puts his own money for it but clearly he's not like writing script. A script worries like I've got to make ends meet so I have to do this now but I will say I had to uh all the fan accounts because I don't want to be spoiled all the keys yes but I find you. Are you following a lot of fat counts. I follow one really important killing and Murphy account and it's what's what's your twitter follow Canada. I keep at heart four hundred. This is what you you're making room for. Kilian Murphy Fan Account this is on Instagram is okay but I do follow. I make room. There's a a new account and Matt four hundred right now so something's going to have to be purchasing but who's out he ruined. No bag is more important than ever. Nobo- I follow this one account that started on learn move to instagram sign of the times and it's at O. S. Y. C. M. Oh Fuck Yeah Kellyann Murphy and it has a lot of information and like like a feminist from Kilian Murphy Industries essentially and like it has a lot of Steve Knight stuff like well. He's active on Instagram like post from sat or whatever and you know I think he really like rightfully so embraces us a lot of ownership over it like it's his project how there is not one of the things I think think often troubles both of us with long running dramas that we like is the sense that the people don't want to do it anymore. From blinders I don't either I I really don't and I think other than killing Murphy. I don't really know like who's particularly put out beyond the shell like he does have a ton of work plus yesterday at the haircut smoke. The herbal cigarettes `grats every day the cigarette he makes dri look like a like a teenager and cigarettes. He has to smoke in this thing. I know he in the way he just. How do you protect that like. How do you keep it on your let the right way. I don't know he's just so hot. It's ugly. I've made it so far to this podcast that saying okay okay he's just. I don't really care about Colleen Murphy. It's just Tommy Shelby. These absolute watches brought to you by C. L. R. far as pop culture addicts. You better believe a lot of shows. There's nothing quite like the show put on by CSLR when it comes to housecleaning CSLR quickly dissolves Dir her calcium lime hard water deposits soap scum that you'll find all over the house. There is no need to scrub. 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Tom Hardy on the show but Adrian Brodie is a major part season for like he plays he plays in American gangster The Mafia comes England essentially my favorite shelby it might be Linda. I Love Arthur's wife. She is Sassy Timid. Tommy and she kind of plays against type APES. She's a bright eyed rosy cheeked blonde woman who tried to make Arthur goes straight and she's not intimidated and she also likes the money like she's. She's she's kind of like this shows. Carmella essentially this show speaking of Arthur. I think that this is another one of the reasons why I had a little bit of a hangup getting into it. Is it also feels I was like the kind of show that was made for a time before streaming but when you had to remind people what the show is about we're not in terms of exposition but in terms of behavior so for a solid two full seasons every episode is Arthur walks into the garrison it goes all Iraq tricky does and he just does his whole Arthur thing and has is little Tokyo and drinks drinks and gets really excited but it's like totally we always like kind of repetitive so that was just a big arthur. I do like Arthur. I find Michael interesting like he's a real like day mackinaw kind of but actually integrated into the family way better than I guess. He's polly's like yes son that comes back and season listen to astronaut are you are you into poly. I like polly. She's like the other part of power. I Love Ada. I love sister yeah. I like the Feisty Women on the show which there are many. I like it well. I I honestly like how matter of fact so many of these people represent things that were happening. It's time period so whether they're left leaning or communists and there's a the whole communism plot to this with like or really like social. It's more socialist but they need a lot of the World War. One stuff is pretty. Well done. Yes it is I mean Tommy has. PTSD in this show begins with kind of based on his connections to people and the war with yeah. I mean he uses it in some ways to get out of some pretty tight jams to say like well. You know we we served together. It's just a really fun show okay. It's also just like it's not like fun like how good feeling fun but like it's immersive and I think that is something that I really value and Netflix shows are immersive and I think the ones that are stand out like change things extremely mercy. That's like really creative. I they do seem to do period pieces pretty well. Yeah I think they do and that is obviously a model that works for them. Just a great show. This is a good way to get into. We a conversation that you and I have a lot of personal life at the comedy drama thing. So where are you. How are you feeling about that right now. In general in terms of like what you're kind of leaning towards would you find entertaining. I WANNA be into comedy but I just can't. I just can't quit the hour long show. I just kick it away from it. I actually didn't even watch a series the season finale younger this season because I heard what happened and I think that sounds bad. I don't WanNa. Watch that I've started like blocking out. TV that I think this will not I will not find this pleasant sites sites knocking knocking to be involved. I just quit when it properly combines two things like elder the og though fix Ashen. I'll I was alone in my apartment watching last week's episode Kendall Raft and I said to my tv like what is going on here. I was so uncomfortable enthralled. I loved of debt and I've watched the rap like at least fifteen on your computer screen. Yes yeah it's been weird because we've been doing these episodes for the most part of number one boys a couple of days before the episode airs so I'll just look at my phone on Sunday nights and all of a sudden everybody will be just tweeting out pictures Jeremy Strong wearing a baseball Jersey and saying L. to the OG judge Dude be an he play in doesn't even make sense. Have you enjoyed the way that succession succession has sort of like the first season is largely about. I was talking with Allison Herman about the like the first season is largely about Kendall and Kendall's relationship with the family family and this season is largely about her relationship to the family. Do you think that's like an effective storytelling structure for them and do it seems like they're shutting is thirty. Rahman not mad at that now me neither the Roman and Jerry stuff so fucking funny yeah and weird but also believable to me. I think that the change in ensure has been a little bit drastic from where she was to where she is down in terms of like her professional goals and hopes and everything but I really enjoy Sarah Snook and I think incurred Tattoo Tattoo with Holly Hunter Been Really Great and I love the Holly Hunter stuff. I think that the writing for Holly Hunter's character has not been quite as daft because obviously there's not the Sunni the long game at play a character like that. That's the benefit of probably working. HBO and also like having like a family drama where you know barring like a death whatever I which only seems like it would befall Logan rape. You'll beat these characters for a while so there's a lot of time to set things up and I think that the show really benefits in that especially with the big of the big cast like nothing is rushed also less greg and Tom this season a little bit less. I think the because the show I actually think that even even with the Kendall stuff as last year that this season is a little darker I think I think they have to like put Greg and Tom. I'm a little bit in the background. If it's going to be a jerk so because you can't you can't really have those guys be taken too seriously. Brian Cox really overpowers a lot of staff we didn't we only got him for half a season yeah and so having him every episode just really changes it because he's a towering figure as an actor and then obviously logo within the family just like really is so domineering but even when he gets to be funny like when he's talking to Greg at the end when he's like yeah he wanted to be at the Funchal or GRANDPA grounds like it's just so funny. Thank the Greg's. It staff is amazing. I this is my favorite episode. I don't know if that's popular opinion but last week's Dundee episode I still I still think safer is my favorite episode of the season. I also loved. Our Jessie are just uses really good too. I I just I guess I like a field trip. What else do you watch. I'm catching up from below deck. Mad Soderbergh you know could explain what you just. Steven Soderbergh watches blow back and includes it in his like what I watched. Read it and pretty amazing ever. It's a great show. It's I have to. I'm Steven SORTA. SORTA is one of my favorite filmmakers of all time but I just like watch the shows that he's like Vanity Fair confidential and I'm like man. Is this like some hidden fucking piece of art and the you watch. It and it's just like no this is. This is just like I find it interesting in low culture validating. I love it What else am I watching. I can't go home tonight to watch the troika of Grey's anatomy a million little things and the good place you watch a million little things I do. Do I sure do forcing objectively bad objectively many issues with it stars. Dave from road rules who some of you may remember as added having dated Kara who is in maximum and then he was on the challenge. Now is a serious actor. He was Graham careers yeah. I don't even days los. AM He just Dave. I mean he's like David something now but he's just Steve Things. That show is stolen by another guy's new. I don't know I don't know the name of any actor on the show really rare now he plays Gary and the only do on the shows Romani Malcolm 'cause. I always wanted him to have a better career. Yeah forty year old Virgin Yeah and we it's amazing on weeds and north not sure really like took off afterwards anyway. It is like a true guilty pleasure for me like I really Bristle at that term when applied to many of the shows that I like but it is a true guilty pleasure for me and I don't know I just like the the soap I love us. Oh have you tried any of the other network dramas that have been beard like stump town trying some town. What's almost family. Is the family. I Love Brittany snow. I think that's a comedy by won't be watching a comedy. It's not I think it's like a I. I'm not sure I I think it's a comedy that people take issue the fact that's being played for jokes essentially like all these people have the same father and it's not because of the same sperm yeah. It's pretty gross yeah so I think that's not funny. Maybe I'm wrong. It's not a comedy but I just don't see that drama being on Network TV. What else am I watching. I mean that's kind of a lot yeah. That's catching up with righteous gemstones love and nats great. I'm dipping in and out of styling doctrines yet on gemstones yes I did. He's very very good. I love Danny McBride. He's just so funny yeah. It's been like a real merit like a quiet miracle this season. It's really good. It's funded. Hbo Is Good. I like like really Mr Nobel like I wish there was more noble coming which is which is weird like really loved it and would you prefer if peaky blinders. HBO every Sunday for six weeks yes I would. I would like to drag it out but I know I'm not going to like. I'm busy this weekend. I'm watching peaky blinders. I know it's really hard to have the discipline yeah. Also it's hard to because you can't go on the Internet in certain places you can't go to Kilian Murphy. Fan Accounts on instagram without spoiled owned by Seattle. I just want to tell you I'm reading this book Middle England Blend by Jonathan Co.. We both love have yet I have not I think you're GONNA love. It and it's going to be a great BBC. Miniseries was just talking about all these. Everybody's got their brexit book so John. Kerry's new novel Anisur earning the field is brexit. McEwen's got a Kafka riff that is brexit book called the Cockroach. I gotta read that I let me middle middling one is that about brexit it is it starts in two thousand ten and kind of each chapters in different months lens leading up to two thousand sixteen. It's about a family living in Birmingham and it reminds me. A lot of shopping would've sequel to peachy. It's Kinda the midland suck. It's good but but it's why do they suck just because of their location or because it's like indicative of a certain lifestyle that is maybe out of fashion or out of favor and it's it's really good but it's going to be a BBC miniseries like I e reminds me a lot of capital by John Lanchester at this on ringer dishes well and that was a good BBC miniseries that was Toby Jones. Yeah Yeah it reminds me of many my favorite contemporary British novels like NWF's eighties and kind of really good contemporary slice of British Life Yeah Right. That's like my favorite genre genre novel. So I feel about top way top. Way Is really reflects. I started that but I wasn't paying enough attention. I'm GonNa Watch it. Watch both top boys net flex so there's top way they have it divided so that at its top voice summer house yeah is the first two seasons that were several years ago and then they revived drake revived it conscious season and they've separated for some reason. I I don't necessarily know why I just watched season three with candidly watching a couple of episodes of the other seasons but really just reading like everything you need to know about top boy and I was I felt okay. Okay good to know but I thought top top was one of the best things I've seen this season. I really need to watch it Juliette. Thank you so much for coming by. Thanks so much for having me Chris we'll. I'll be back on Monday Greenwald. We'll be here and also the audio from number one boy so it'll be fun. Maybe maybe Andy and I'll go to joker together. You never know we'll have plenty of stuff to talk about. Uh Monday and some fun guest coming but October's stay tuned for that. Thanks to the watch. Today's episode of the watch is brought do you buy. CSLR quickly dissolves dirt calcium lime hard water deposits and soaks gum that you find all over the house and doesn't use phosphates ammonia or or harsh chemicals in fact it carries the E._p._A. Safer choice'll meaning. 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Peaky Blinders (Seasons 1-5)

Nerd On! The Podcast

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Peaky Blinders (Seasons 1-5)

"Like unlike Arthur most of the time where it's kind of just like dude. Come on. On what is everyone welcome to note on the podcast you need, but you. Yes, you deserve. Wow we're all levels of NERD are welcome and they are. If you served in the war to end all wars or lived in Birmingham in the early nineteen hundreds. The shelby name is no stranger to you. Today's top comes from high. Combined the powers of Netflix and the BBC by orders of the peaky blinders. That's right. We're discussing the period crime drama peaky blinders today and I couldn't be happier, but to get things started I am corey. And I am Tom. CAITLIN and I am Josh and this episode is brought to you in power in power and class. Powers brought to you in part by the members of the NERD on nation down gory powered. By Corey powers now by Patriot. I do run it so this is true. This is very true. He's involved the partly involved machine, but as a member of the nation. You do get fun perks like you do. Get bonus episodes. You get early access to all of our SYRINGE. No sorry, not sorry. That's a different club. You get access to the channel. Private channels are discord server all sorts of really cool stuff, but do check it out because it does help us to be the best that we can be. help us to grow especially in these crazy times where we're having to think on our feet all the time like what we need. How are we going to do it so it? It really does help to have to everybody's support Check that out on our feet. Much Thomas, shelby. Yes? So check that out. NERD on is oh. backslash a patriarch on and check out our discord nerd on DOT IO backslash. Discord and Yeah go ahead. No, go ahead finish. Shoutout, to our partners Apogee, who have a equipped us with these amazing Mike the hype. Manque allowed us to keep doing what we're doing and sound great while we're doing it, so I love that and also odyssey headphones very cool company to work with both companies are amazing to work with these smells. Butter. Butter. Butter ears spor your ears. These would taste like butter, but everyone at home. Please don't let things don't let things. Yeah right now maybe later, Mel, you you. Have your. Whatever you want with it. We're not here to stop. We don't encourage it. But it is your money and you're right. You've done encourage. That is the housekeeping on I. WanNa say. Say it was so hard to pull the current back here. We're trying not to cuss them in the first bit of our show and it was. By peaky blinders. God. Broad does I know I. Wonder if that counts fucking. If I if I open. Kids like under the and also making sure. We do not have all today in our digital recording room doing that. Unleash it. Family Yeah doing family. Dry that's just not feeling. We wish him a speedy recovery. so getting our order of when we're GonNa talk that was hard, but actually a little different, because this is a concurrent show went by the time of this recording, so we're not going to rate it act like what you saw him patriarch. Thank you for voting. Ono House me. We! We haven't shows going on. Yeah, I th. This is right. I mean there's. Always change that yeah the the next season. Is. Planned in total seven one seven is done then. Rate the whole thing I I'm bummed because it was supposed to be coming out. This fall, but it was because of covid. It's been shut down. Yeah. Even I wrote all the entire season by the end of last year. They've done all the production which is great meaning when they and they built the sets, and they did the costumes meaning when this is over, they can jump in, but we will not it this year man. I gotta I gotTA. Jump in right now and say that I'm really glad to hear their seven seasons because. When I was on like episodes six season five, I was only twenty minutes and I was like what's going to happen. More what's going on? I mean. Season Six postponed due to do virus I was like. Okay I mean and. Thank God, but In the history of nerd onto. We have to now talk show that has completed itself, and it was at an abrupt ending. Because they had no. They had no idea that they were going to end that soon. But once there's no source material whereas Stephen Night. He's like. Hey, we're going to end it at this point. It's nice to know that the showrunner has an idea of exactly what they want to spoilers. He has said he knows what the last scene of the show he wants it to be based around, which is pretty cool. Man Has it's nice to have a writer who has a definitive endpoint insight and knows what he wants to do, so we are going to. Continue to spoiler, free stuff, and so we're GONNA forego guests that grump We're not going to read at the end, but now we are going to do our initial reactions in our first impressions. No show. Her Take a walk. How how we how we got into the how we got introduced to this show what our thoughts about watching during the show and all that stuff, so who would like to take the reins? Ango okay I'll say go. I mean I remember. When this came out, it wasn't a big to do as it is now like now there's a lot more promotion and stuff like that which I appreciate. But when it first came out, it was just kind of it was almost slept on, and it was very, it was very slept on in terms of promotional wise, and it was just kind of like new show on that flex and I remember Bonnie and I. We were like. Let's try this. Let's just watch this and see what happens and we were hooked. Hooked. from. The first like right out of the gate, just everything about it everything about it from the visuals, the acting the script, the music like everything we were like we are in this, and when new seasons come, where like we? It's one of us will be like. New episodes of peaky blinders. Both, pretty much just like that and we're like So it was fun to I'd already watched everything and it was fun to watch it again and so it's yeah, it's A. It's it's a show. It's a real treat. Yes, it's a good show. For Drama Say Korea. You should go last. Kaelin, how about you go next? So normally anything that has to do with Mafia drugs any of that kind of. The excessive violence. It's just not my bag. and when I started watching this it in a way reminded me of breaking bad, which I don't like Naung. Blake. Romi? Bring Go on, no, go. You want to know why two different tastes because you don't like. Swell too stressful. I will say though. As I was watching I got more and more engrossed. I G season I was like. Okay like this, and then I took a long pause, and then I finished I like zip through three through five seasons three through five and. The conversation I've had with one of my roommates was I. don't like breaking bad because it was purely his pride. That made the whole story happen. The watching the hero! Yeah like He. He had his out and he turned it down. This. Of. People who don't have out like they do at times, but they also know that it's like a bigger like it's come from nothing, so Maryland Yeah. Usually right usually those outs mean you're letting someone else in the family down right now, so so the stakes were. Much more realistic in a way that wasn't just pride like it's involve for sure, but is also fighting something much larger than that so. For me to care more, it's this is such a fine line, but would you. It's more ambition than pride which had two very. Also the world is not actively out to get Walter White at a certain point. Right. And there is points like you say there are points of entry where you can piece out or wins, and then in here the world is kind of constantly at a point. Where like Shelby's Oh, you know money, or they owe a debt or the death. Always dog right? Exactly also show that like big. As as terrible as they are at times, the world is far more cruel. Like, there's always someone so much worse and usually in a higher position of power to solar power dynamics that happened in actually reminds me of a K. drama a lot. Like the internal like palace, quarrels that happen, and that's kind of blown out into, and the dad comes from overseas, and then all of a sudden. Yeah, so this family draw them to solve the extended family draw rate, so yeah, like and the way that they had so many different cultures going onto with like if the Gypsies of English, you're the Italians you have you know you have so many things going on. And it everything just meshed together beautifully, so my initial reaction is it took me a minute. But Oh my God. I love the show. Yeah, it's a! It's a Algo next to that point. I think it is a really good like exhibition. masterclass of like good gangster dramas because it does take pieces from the greats and stuff like that, and then rates on them, and then adds to them in such a way and so like. Kaylynn, you would probably be primed for the gangster crime dramas up because it is the family stuff, and then there's the other family stuff, and then how that Florida other family stuff. When done well done bad? Then it's done bad. So for me, Austin I think I had the exact opposite of everyone's probably going to say. And I try to watch this show several times before we put it on the docket to watch the show and I couldn't get past the first episode of well in all honesty for me. It was like I had watched. And sort of watching a little bit of is the new black and strange things and house a car. It's like the Netflix's royalty shit, right? These are the ones that they don't sleep on. You know and going to peaky blinders like. Mike Kilian Murphy like. Let's go put us on. What the fuck of peaky blinders that put it on and I was like. It's kind of boring. It's like slow and in my mind is because I got used to what the other ones like. Here's how. He did. And then. When we were like hey, we're going to do. This sounds like all right. I got a slap myself a little bit. You Know Stop Thomas, bitch and a little bitch Tom Yeah exactly. And I started watching the show, and then so I'm like. Let me IF I. If, the story hasn't grabbing so far. Let me grab onto the cinematography. At least this fucking real goods real fucking. Now they are. They opened real fucking cool. And then how I got into like I'm on the fourth APSOS like all right. Let's see where this goes, baby and then like. And then for me, it was one through season three that I was like fook baby, and then season foils like what are they gonNa, do because typically for me like. I've watched a lot of TV hour long. Drama shows now and by the third or fourth season. You're Kinda like now. You're now thinking a little bit on your feet like season one to two to three typically really well plotted out and four is when you see what the show runners actually kinda come up with. And so season four and season five, or definitely the more like wonder. What are you going to go, so there's much more intrigued versus like pure like I. Know where they're going. I know how they're gonNA. Get there. I wanted to see how it fucking happen, and it's really really cool so for me. initial reaction for a I really enjoyed watching it and there there were many nights where I was just trying to talk to people like you are. You Watch the show. You watched the show and they're like now. For the last Essex Years. SHOWMAN's pretty good. It's pretty good, then I'll think but think of like breaking bad except like you know it's. There's no cable television thing that they can. They have to run away from so it's all the full thing, and it's a little bit more like to me. It felt a little bit more like contained in itself like what we can do a breaking bad episode someday. yeah, we're. This is not the day, so he blinders. Really I was really really happy to watch and I will say like. I'm really glad that cory had campaigned for a year to put this on. Lead the way. Like Tom said I campaign for you to I came across this much like Josh, where it was just kind of on net flicks one day and My wife and I were like well. Let's let's check this out and I think we ended up watching almost the entirety of the first season. In that sitting. Well and Tom, knows this and I believe. We've talked about this on the show before I before this I was a big fan of Kilian Murphy. Twenty days later. Read I show it to my wife and I won Rich McAdams. When the! Hook and you know and then of course. Begins, but this kind of took. That that lava, this actor to a whole `nother level. Probably playing in in my humble opinion, one of the more complex characters we've ever seen on television. I love. Dark. Like dark comedies, gritty dramas that kind of stuff and It's this kind of just hits every note of the things that I enjoy when it comes to TV shows and and kind of even film production the use of their music. I think is just like replacing that. It's kind of like what I've said about Knight's tale were they kind of replace what music would be in that world to give that emotion of what they would be feeling with contemporary music to make sure that we feel that same motion, it's conveyed correctly. I think every character in this show is celebrated by the writers and I think that's pretty cool. Or writer I think it's just Stephen Knight. Has Its day has their. Has Their focus where you're like all right? This is an Arthur focus. This is an Ada focus kind of thing. We'll even within the same episodes. They're still completing their own. You Know Arc's outside of that and I love the the big people they bring into the show as well. You know one of the big draws for me. Not only was Kilian Murphy, but Sam Neill seeing seeing Dr. Alan Grant on that first season poster when I first started watching, it was like Oh. Yeah! Goes like he'll excel familiar getting to see him play. A bad guy also was really really cool to see him. US, I mean it's not his his dialect or his accent, but close where it's like people because he forgets that he has an accent that it's like. Verse to see that Anyway Yeah he's. He's from New Zealand and him putting on sort of like an Irish. Accent was was pretty cool So to sum it all up, I ate the show up with a serving of desert as quick as I could and I I'm on board I will say this. It's probably my favorite show ever watched so everyone with that. We're going to go into our brief synopsis. And then our production and the brief synopsis is still spoiler free, so if you just google this, you can find it and you're GonNa, hear me read it to you now at this point. So I'm just place them nick. So Britain is a mixture of despair and hedonism. In nineteen nineteen, the aftermath of the Great War, returning soldiers newly minted revolutions and criminal gangs are fighting for survival in a nation rocked by economic upheaval, one of the most powerful gangs of the time is the PK blind dollars. Run by the return in hero Thomas Shelby and his family but Thomas has bigger ambitions than just running the streets when it of guns go missing, he recognizes an opportunity to advance in the world, because crime may pay, but legitimate business pays better trying to rid Britain of its crime inspector Chester Campbell who arise from Belfast to try to achieve that goal. That's what you find, and so that's purely. Everyone wanted to mainly season one, but. hilarity ensues. Yes. Clarity. Dramas. Co commod ensues. Singer when you gotTA show that David. Bowie asks you to put his music on. You have some cool on your hands. And so now we'll go into our production. Yes, the product shown. the studios abroad us. This is BBC. Who has also done Luther Merlin Sherlock. NETFLIX's? Who did stranger things? Orange is the new black altered carbon. The show runner is Stephen Knight. WHO DID Redemption Lock? Who wants to be a millionaire The Writers Stephen Knight who did see Christmas Carol Burnt Toby Finlay who did Dorian, Gray, ripper street, okay, the serpent Stephen Russell who did distant shores, shameless, grown grown coronation coronation. That's an easy. Street at the cast lead time the castle. CAST is killing Murphy. Who Did Sunshine Twenty eight days later? Redeye Sam Neill Jurassic Park Hunt for the wilder people event horizon. Helen, mccrory, who did Ben? Penny dreadful Harry Potter series. His dark materials Paul Anderson who did hostels midsomer murders Sherlock Holmes a game of shadows Annabel Wallace. Who did Annabel the mummy? The tutors Sophie Rundle. An inspector calls Jamestown episodes Adrian Brodie who did Predator the pianist and Grand Budapest Hotel Tom Hardy. This means war capone lawless. Tom Hardy. Sam Charity. me before you snow. White and the Huntsman and hunger games. It's a good cast. It's a super good cast, so Katie centers a lot of big names that come in and out in small roles, which is really. The original release date September Twelfth, twenty thirteen to the present as of right now there are. Thirty episodes seasons, there are five seasons runtime is about fifty five sixty five minutes the budget, one point six million pounds per episode the rotten. Tomatoes score. Ninety two percent, average tomato meter and ninety four percent average on the score. So fact it was rated this year. Critics in audience were able to vote as the greatest TV show the last decade. Recommendable that's read. Somebody say this TB history in the making which? Yeah! So now we're out of spoiler. Free Country and we're into spoiler. Full boroughs Yeah, let's go straight into it Yeah, this is a really freaking. A wonderfully made show just like us. You don't care about the story at all like just the master fullness of Megan show and also. I think in the modern popular massive Zeitgeist of TV. A lot of people look at what game of thrones was and how I think a lot like what five million dollars per episode or something like that in the last season was like stupid expensive per episode. Billion No but. Like one avenger per. but This show holds that Title I. Think this show on your show Oh the show, yeah, the new Lord of the rings is going to be I. Think A, too. Expensive show over made. With the peaky blinders show with the money that they have like the You know I, obviously I season. You don't have all the money and then every time you go into next season. You know you could get a budget. And then everyone's deals go up and contracts and stuff like that, but like they've been able to use it in such a way. Where like? There's no real like like engaging with own years from now we'll say like. Oh, let's see is not that great in. People won't have that problem like so much. The in world effects that they use for gunshots for smoke for explosives. All that stuff is all done so well in camera. VAMI CG is they use the the backdrop of the sky. I thought they used some of it for blood and smoke every now and again to. I don't know about that, but maybe but I know I. Know It's not the bounds. The only thing I read was the backdrop, but I could have missed another interview, but. Just David. Just in terms of how well it's made, it's like this is like just really done done well TV and that's kind of what is happening and a lot of the conversations of what TV and film is where it's like film is where you go to make a blockbuster, and you don't really have a say. We're like TV's where you actually start getting creative and start doing a lot of the cooler stuff so for me that aspect of the loan like big spoiler is like when on there's a scene where Tom Shelby shoots a horse and the Horse keells over, and there's a whole page dedicated like. How do they do that? And then there's a you know experts like. Oh, we train horses. They could do certain things while bus, so it's like wow, and then there's like funny means that Horford win an emmy. Howlett wondrous yeah, and so. where it's like wow like they did. So you don't. You don't think that they could have done, but they do. And then they did and you're like I didn't know that you could do that. So and it's not like I. Don't know you could shoot a movie you both spatial moons like now it's like you can make a horse act in a way like data like. Crazy. So yeah go and there's going to be chock full of that, and this is going to be a bloated episode full of favorites I mean. Sixty hours worth of material and yeah. Usually we usually cover lottery max three Max so. Yeah Yeah, I mean. This show shouted to Steve Night for I. Know He he, at least does the entirety of the first draft himself? I. Don't know if they're. I didn't check their other writers. Every single episode has another rider credit to it. Okay, but I know he himself by himself. We'll do the first. Run of the season. And then bring writers to to fluff it up, which is really impressive to me. Because you have this show where? I mean I can only speak for myself on this. I'd say eighty ninety nine percent of the time, which is a big range. The show is two steps ahead of me even though I think I'm. On top of it, which is really really cool. and. I think he's really mastered. The. Art Of Deception and film. Because they keep you in the loop on a lot of things, and then they'll be like. Oh, by the way they were. and. You're like oh! God goddamn. Like him running for office. In my mind. He's in parliament now. We're at the funny thing with that. I had no idea what MP was also. Wasn't that what Sam character was I? Don't know what the heck this means. And I was like fuck it let me just watch the next episode, and then explain to me, and I was like Oh bats with family. But my brain went member of parliament parliament okay. I looked at it. And I felt like I had to have my phone with me not to like scroll through, but like pause I. Don't know what the fuck that means. Don't know what the fuck that means, and it was just like cling because. There's a sense of intelligence writing, and it's like it doesn't need to pander to an audience and to me. It expects that the audience actually be intelligent and I. I appreciate that I like being feeling like I'm stupid. Lowest Common Denominator and I know a lot of American audiences don't like that they like. Alienated means like shut up fuck of. This me. Go Court. We trying to favorite moments at this point favorite parts. this is. One of the one of my most favorite parts was the season two finale. By the. where? Yeah, he's GonNa get shot and then that guy who works for Winston Churchill. Turns the tables real quick I will never forget my wife and I both both out loud, being like Whoa just happen. Yeah I thought he was dead for sure that point sure I remember that the reaction to for US 'cause. At that point, we didn't know the longevity of the show or how long it was going to go, so we're like. Oh, so and so two season show. Okay, because some Netflix shows had that live at that time, and you're like okay well, this is fun. This is a great what? The. Played in like shaking, what at that point at season two still BBC and then season three? It became Netflix show correct. Yeah, so. Point Yeah? He's you know he is one of those characters who you know. If just if you if you speak language at all can can't be happy. Just at this point at least in the show. Just from his actions choices. He's made what he's had to do. So having him over that ditch. There was a part of me that goes. This makes sense like. He's not a guy who's GonNa. Have this long at this point in the show. At least Oh, he's into. This guy's going to have a long life. Sky and says like I could have had it. I was so close. So close. Veer off into a tangent here just about Tommy Shelby and about his. In a sense reminded me a lot of Batman of this guy who. With grace, especially once this life, where he can be happy again like he was before the war, he wants to be able to get his family out of crime, and into legitimate business and be able to. Have Peace and he can't. He just can't the world on allow him Asian. Though? I mean that's a whole nother discussion. A it's. The last time watching it through, that's all I keep thinking of as he's Bruce Wayne in that sense, you think this guy who has everything, but in reality has nothing that he really wants because what it was was grace, and that's gone. And I I talking a little bit about what job I told out with You know he even go on vacation. That was actually one of my favorite parts. After, is it during season three or season four? Four. Let's see so pretty much everyone like there's. binders Arthur is now appointed the new chair chairman and they say hey. Let's take a break and goes for like three weeks or something like that. Then, not even. The worst he just goes. Rip Roaring drunk and you know he like stumbles and you know he's frightens. It's child and stuff like that and it's like to me I really like that because. It kind of comes full circle later on season five. Where like? He's talking to think Ada and he says like she says like. Are You doing this? Are You doing this? Because you think actually good, and or is it? Is Somebody you you've met that? You can't beat and is that sense of like that continual drive and ambition? That like I found myself in a Lotta Times where it's like, when will you? When will it be enough as like? When is it good enough for you and a lot? Honestly a lot of times, my answers never never going to be enough, and there is a poison slow-poisoning you. You drink in life that tastes so sweet because you do look at the insurmountable, and then you mounted and beat it and you win, and it cost to do everything, but then you realize that the end of it when you up there, you have nothing left, and so when you go to the next bound, you're like maybe then find my enlightenment. Maybe then I could say no, and then it Kinda ends off with this place where the Tom Shelby like he's is fighting for A. Good cause, but then it's also to to to no end, and he's kind of just like this like. I think about like Airborne Rangers in the military. They have saying like if my my parachutes don't open than the ground is GonNa have to make way because I'm coming through in that kind of like. You're going straight fast into it. Yeah, I mean you talking about. You know almost an entire generation of men who were. Put on a war that no one had ever seen before. No one knew the effects of PTSD, and that kind of thing, and then we're just thrown back into society with no help. No handouts yeah just kind of like all right there you go, health wasn't. Invitation piece. You see that three Hami where the only place he's. com is in conflict because he had to teach himself to do that because he was. A kicker, which arguably for me is the most stressful thing you can be. A war is is digging these these confined tunnels. Only one man can fit through putting. It's so interesting to see that there was a line he said in season four that hit me really hard, and I had to kind of Posit, and be like I got to take a break for a little bit and it was the scene where his made says. Should I get you a doctor and he goes I. Know at this is it's just myself talk to myself about myself and I was like et gave me like chills. I was like Oh my God. One point. We've kind of been there where you're just like all he needs is allowed to. Make sure the sounds in his head. Don't get louder than it, and then he can be okay. But as long as you start thinking about things. Being keeping busy, so you're not spending all of your time up here. Selection is a very dangerous myself talking to myself about myself. Joshua My. Two things off of off my. Off My plate. Helen mccrory anytime she is onscreen. fucking Crawley Yeah I just whether she's down out, she's. FUCKING KICKIN ASS! She is just. she's bus. She has boss I. Mean the head watching her in any scene. I'm just like woman. I love you. and. She! She actually was GonNa be Bella tricks. Are. Yeah. They wanted her to be Belgium's first, but she was in another show, so they got Hallam Bonham Carter mini. Put Her as foul as mom nice. Magic? She was ballot tricks like Debbie. go at my absolute favorite scene is in episode two of season two and it's between Arthur Tommy. Am Arthur's losing shed. Tommy's talking to him, but he has the speech that every. I mean it just I had to pause it because I would just like Holy Shit because he goes is. It because it was so good, he said it's like a fucking boat Tommy. Full of heavy cargo like coal of iron, ore, coal, or iron, sometimes it slips to one end the boat tips. I can feel it slipping, and I can feel the boat tipping. Ain't nothing I can do about it. It's like me fucking heads just like this fucking black fucking barge in just fucking drifts in and out, and in and out and the whole scene. Just like in Tommy's already like having. He's got a lot on his plate. He's trying to balance everything. And now his brothers losing a shed, and he's get your shit together, but the end of the scene what I love about it is that so Tommy leaves, and he's. He's really pissed. And he comes back, and he empties the gun of the bullets, and he throws the ball the booze into the fire in the scene. The way it ends, is that they they take out the production audio, so you can't. He'll here Arthur. And all you hear is the fire rumbling and blazing, and it's Arthur. Just losing his shit underneath this fire, and it just like from a sound perspective from an acting perspective. I was just like. This is. And that's a cool thing with Arthur Shelby's character or the actor Paul Anderson don't know you guys. Obviously you know. Look this up, but like he was to me. He's like the perfect story of the wakeup actor who wakes up one day as a an actor. Because he was dating a girl and was like you should be an actor, and so he read. Some lines for movies like okay, let me do that. And he slowly just rose up the ranks, and to me, watching him as characters develop through the show, and then seeing how the cast talks about, and then also the red carpet events. Talking about this character like I saw so many interviews about him and everyone talks about like how it so enthralling to watch him to be this primal rage machine that he's become like a child at heart. Quote Unquote. The Anti Hero of the show Mike Thomas Shelby is actually pretty honorable and noble and do things but. Arthur? You have to defend him more times than not avoiding, and it's like I. Don't know if he's good enough and I don't think it really comes into fruition till season five year like. I fuck with this Guy Heart. Kaylynn. Your Pa. There are a lot of things. I really did enjoy the same scene Josh. But from the perspective of Tommy, starting to snap. Like! I feel like that was one of the first times you see Tommy. Start to freak when he's like basically like. If you'RE GONNA. Kill yourself like I'm not taking care of you. Do you like your your under tells me. He's like. Yeah. Like just seeing. That kind of a dynamic. Within that family. You can be so raw angry and then stop back in and take all the bullets out through the booze, and the fire would be like fuck. You look stomping away, That was one of the first times. I was like okay, so that's stats the dynamic that we're these baby. It's it's. It's tough love, but it's also like. He's the unwilling head of the family. And I think so you don't have to. That was so crazy so like when I actually started to like. Okay I gotta try to understand the show, and then I'll like way Arthur's not the head of the family. Because in that line, you kind of just like the way the list will like. It deceives to like Oh. This is GonNa be the typical patriarchy kind of family where like the oldest the head of the family, and then you're like who they had a family. WHO's the head of the family and now was like Arthur, and then he's who said you could do that without me, and then Tom, says like I'm the calls I make the books and I was like. Oh. The Middle Child Baby. Interview with go ahead, sorry. The they start revealing more and more of like. puppet puppets like the idea of puppets are just everywhere where you have Jimmy Kimble, and actually it's his like adviser that run delay, everything and Jimmy Kimble. Just the Angolan though sends billions. Every will billy billy, billy Kimberly Kimberly column Jimmy Billy Kimba. Billy Kim what I call number kimber billy kimber Jimmy Kimble. Talk show host didn't. Gumbel two Gumbel. Cart. Major Campbell who Gosh Grand. And Detective Campbell. Who is from kindergarten? Russians, to like Kim. You have the aunt I forget. You have the give Tatyana and the husband and all supposed to be the Romans. The Russians Russians. but The husband's the guy, but he seems to frantic and then when you meet like his wife, you're like. Oh, now I know who runs the show like and there's so much of that. Everywhere all the way like every time he faces someone. There's always someone else pulling the strings, and and that's what I think you were talking about with like. You think you're on Har, but then you're like. Oh, no I'm not like. Job of doing that. The other part is just like Tommy always. Thinking of some. Way of like. Season for when Arthur walks back into the GIN distillery after thinking he's dead and you're like. I'm sorry what? Do you find out that Tommy got this entire idea because of something. Alfie said he said big fuck small and he went. Okay Yeah. That works for me and then used that one line to entirely flip the table. Literally Flip. The tables was on. Our on Adrien Brody's. K Dramas so much. they. This thing to me actually I feel like I was I was i. kept up with the show. Really well, there was never a big surprise. There were small things I. Really Unexpected for sure like like the end I had the luxury and the privilege of being like there's five seasons baby so season to that thing didn't it was like there's three more seasons baby, and so there is that sense of like when you're watching it and you're in? You're in the trenches like I don't know what's going to happen, baby. Me Watching it I was like okay. How are you going to get to that point, so there is a difference of experience watching. So for me. Off Man. Me Like. We were like quarrels. Corey wanted to do the show to watch all these season, so I have to be like what's happened. So for me like watching going into I was like all right. How are we going to get to the sixth episode? How are we going to the six episode? What's it going to happen so like it was very interesting. The small things I feel like were this small betrayals that like really surprised me anytime Michael, betray them or anytime like Alfie betrayed. Like Oh shit, this sucks. To me I'm like, but that's a really good writing piece because it's. It's about the however but. Actually moment into a scene where it's like Tom Shelby wants down guns, but. it's it's like a drama thing. It's not typically so not only outburts. I'm just saying that's where I learned it from was. Yeah. Aaron Sorkin talks about that. He says if you say and then and then, and then you don't have store yet to say, but and then a however and actually and so Yeah, it's it's the the show does that really well, so like it weaves. You're like okay cool. They do this and that happens, and then all of sudden now. Baby going to be that. Go ahead. No I was going to see where we're going to say to finish your point while I was gonNA. Say like for me. Like the biggest thing that like have catapulted me in terms of momentum I want like how I'm in the show was actually the last episode season one and so like you had Tom. Tom Tommy Shelby. And you're like cool. He came from nothing he wanted to this thing. There was going to be all out brawl out fighting and stuff, and it is still climactic, but not as violent as you thought it would be. And then how do we resolve this and it gets to a point where it's like okay now he gets the girl like this is the very typical Hollywood arc and then. He doesn't get the girl and it comes up like what was his decision. What did he do almost like oh? My God there's a gunshot what happened. Who died and then it's like cool. He fell in love. He was able to provide for his family. No major people died and you're like now. Hopefully he can be able to rebuild His place in small heath and everything like that and the the show will go on, but then it really crossover. It's like. Will he be happy and was like oh? Shit and so season two is all about like he's not going to be happy. And like I, really lingered onto him, because of like how quick and dismissive he was about the fact that grace just like peace the fuck out. And I was like. I feel that pain Bro I get. You GotTa Bang, and it was like hey, man, get over able all by. It'll be someone else, and it's like Oh my God and then guess the girl. Yeah. The lake. She says in season one to be a happier. Sad said she was a warning to break your heart, and he's already broken, and then she does break his heart, not not on purpose, but that's the catalyst for the decline of the whole time. Shelby's in quite some time. The other thing I love about the show as a whole is, it is just the. All of the characters you get, it's a it's a study in what people can handle and again going back to that scene. where Arthur is saying I'm not you. I'm not you and everybody knows that I'm not. You and it's kind of like A. It's really A. Team, because if you watched the whole show, you're seeing what people can handle and what breaks people and sometimes it's little thing. Sometimes, it's really massive things. But. It's interesting to see what. People can handle and like to analyze yourself like what? What what can I handle? You know what I mean like. I think we've. We've all kind of had a conversation in our digital green room of like how some people have the tools to deal with certain things. It's like Arthur versus Tommy. It's like they went through the same war. They did not the same things, but it's like. It affected them both very differently than it affected. It affected all the brothers differently and John John so she's very anyways best to see. What's what's going to break them? And it could be small. It could be big but it's just A. It's a wonderful show. I don't want to say. A lot of my favorite parts of the show also is pretty much anytime Alfi's onscreen. Alfie Sullivan. Rate it was a great kind of from how heavy the rest of the show is to get someone in there who? Takes such a different approach I would say intelligent wise he's on. Par with Tommy. Button he he uses it so differently. We're Tommy is forthright with his intelligence and reserved Alfie kind of plays the idiot, but in reality he kind of knows more than everyone else in the room. and I think that's why Tommy respects. Him so much is that he knows that. There's someone there intellectually who who because I this interview with Gillian Murphy, and he was like I think. Tommy is burdened with the. The gift of intellect knowledge and he has to move through this world where people think so much slower than him and it's. It's frustrating and he's like really it's. The only other person he respects on that level is polly. And this company Murphy, and he was like because Polian him make all the decisions, and he's like they're the smart ones and everyone else kind carries out with the smart ones think. And so once you know that about the character. You realize there's select few people. Like Alfie, which is why he continually trusts him with certain things here and there I think there's a glimpse of. Himself in that you know because they say falling in love is seeing yourself in part of yourself. Someone else and I think he does see that intellect within Alfie. It's just that it's such a juxtaposition of how he uses it. which really interests me and I think it's cool because the way that their relationship gets formed at the beginning of he comes to him for help. You know like we have a common enemy and Sabine. And I really like also just. Solomon's like he's He disabled like they're like. We talked about like. There's different the show is actually very. Ingrained in the topics of like early racism, so like you know the Gypsies. Against the you know the the Irish million proper ish. So like you know even other Gypsy and Irish, and then against the Jews and against the Russians and against the Chinese. And so Alfie plays the Jewish portion of what. And by the way, yeah, what to do, people. Are portrayed against these things, and like it shows like the the the racism especially with Asian Brody's character Luca. And Chinga Ready Chung already and. How he says there's a bunch of you Jewish. People Blah Blah and so funny, because even body is Jewish so. This people trying to pass, tell you and so like the cool sense of like. There's no matter what there's going to be tension at every scene. Because there's that race card to begin with and I love that I think that really fuels every episode and I think even comes to a head like an all to me. This was the most like. Would you call it like dark horse or a up and coming or Out of left field, performance MOS was yeah, same class character, and I was like. Yo y'all this Guy James Bond level villain. For Real person and history books don't like to talk about basically the rise of Nazism in England we kind of swept under the rug, but very real very real, which is really? Israel Solomon was real. Technically reel to reel, but you're not most kids back, so they kind of took that. If you look a lot if you look it up. A lot a majority of the big roles were real people that. These characters, which is interesting whether it was real people in in that time or in Stephen Nights life so charlie. The scrap metal worker when Stephen night was a kid, and his parents would work. They would go to Charlie's yard. Who is this guy who would watch the kids? and. They would get to hang and play and do whatever it was basically like A. Playground where they would go, and it was Charlie's yard, and he ran it and the parents would come pick them up afterwards, and it was just this sweet man who who just loved helping the families of the community, and that's who he based Charlie off of Oh just Tommy's best friend who? Find out was in love with his mom, and it was just such a sweet moment. Cares so much about Tommy. It's just like this surrogate. Well. It's funny because he calls them uncle and I was, and I was like. Oh, it's not as uncle. Stories, yeah, and that's the thing I really liked whenever show was the family aspect of things And it's interesting because I was like what's going to happen with Ada. What's going to happen with Finn? What's GonNa Happen with John I will say this fucking Michael Greco. Eat a eat a Dick I'm just like this motherfucker. Yeah! I mean really four when he didn't tell Tommy. He's GonNa get shot. There's there's a lot of things there was a lot of time. In that scene. Like Paul you you great, you are the matriarch of the family, but this is the one mistake bringing this Michael Yeah Michael Great, the first, the second and third season he was, he was. I talked to me, shit he like when he first got into all this worry like he's GonNa. Get fucking killed like he's going to be killed, and then Paulie is going to be like upset and it's going to be Tommy Sheppard and like it's GonNa ruin the family dynamic which caused conflict for the next season, but no fucking. Michael Ends up being this piece of shit throughout the entire fuck. Fuck this guy like there's a lot of cases like he's cool. He's cool. He Does Dump Dump Shit like I I. Really didn't like Arthur for a while because I was like mink. Get Your Shit together. Man Like hold it it down for tenure related PTSD and he's unstable. Yeah I mean to a certain point in talking about workplace. Tommy Arthur right. So you have someone that is handling it, and so he's not handling it, and that's why it's like. It's tough to watches. A show like Tommy doesn't quote unquote. Handle it that well, either. He still is in opium. Smokes Opium Andrea. Looked like. Time you shall we smoking and season wants like that's. For sure, and so it's like everyone has their thinking to yeah, and has their way of going about it. Except that like are like Tom, Tommy will sometimes make decisions a little beast ego, and then Arthur will just do dump shape because it's a rage filled like thing that is not to me about the war either. It's also about their dad. Dad's a she doesn't have the. He doesn't have the smarts to process his emotions, either like the anger or the sadness or the. Guilt or Good Muscle I also don't think he has enough of the almost almost enough of the love, because even when he does. Get that with Linda like that becomes tumultuous. Love? She was just trying to fix him which is? which is an egotistical move on your part, but I mean it was it was. It was the love that he accepted, and that's where it's like, and that's that's that that thing that Paul says to him when she's like find someone. Who will understand and put out fires, not try to put you out kind of thing and the face of Linda I really liked There was a scene happened with Tommy and Arthur in season five where they had to go. Talk to somebody, and then it's like with him in the room. He's like him and I are the same. that's like Arthur is now this wonderfully developed character. At this place. See All these things and even and even then like he still doesn't get to call the shots. He so ask. Tommy, what do we do? But like now you know like he is even aware of his own faults at a point season one and two. It's kind of like he's not even conversation. He has with Linda Linda I'm okay with like I'm doorman. Finally I'm fine with it. Are you like? That that's that's that full acceptance, and that's when I feel like he becomes more okay to like the viewer being like okay, you're that okay. You know I know we all know we're. We're all okay. yeah, and it. It does from quite a bit. That's all. It focus him. Oh, you're still raged machine, but he can point it, but there's like this scrawny assed of the of the shelby's hey. Rap is fought scrap against the man. Yeah, they do till we get choked. Something that really stuck out to me throughout? This whole series was Dislike the spirituality with morality mixing with ethics mixing with like real world. Like circumstance of of like. He has that Sapphire. He takes to Madame Valona. I think it is one of the. She's like you want me late. I yeah, and he's like it's all he's like it's it's all a joke anyway, but I need you to say basically. She said that I. Can I survive it in my bones and he's like. New just like leaves and just watching. Watching. How like spirituality! Mental illness. And like. Ethical! Things are all mixing in. This show is just so nobody's. Well I mean it's really well written that nobody is above fault and right anybody's fault in some ways some way, shape or form. Tommy is almost that sense of I can carry all of the guilt so that no one else has to so like in the beginning of the episode one where they had the off the friend who has like. DEBILITATING PTSD, an accident he was being yeah kills, and then like you see him that he's the angel mercy at the same time. The brain packet and on the. Same thing with. With a sniper boy NC's. and so it's there's a sense where he's like. He's also fighting those same battles, but somehow he keeps you in those daily battles. He keeps coming up on top. Where other people do not and he has to carry that weight of everybody. You get these glimpse of the of his humanity who he used to be before the war, and we see that picture of him with his first wife. And even killing Murphy was talking about it. He was like you know Tommy. Was this guy who believe in communism and believed in in the betterment of workers and people and smiled, laughed a lot, and he was a romantic and he's you get. With, grace, you get to see that side of him like that dance. They have where he's smiling and they're in love or or when. On their wedding day or all that kind of stuff when you get to see these these parts of him so that when you see these other sides of him of like blinding people with a hat you're just like. There is there is something else behind it like unlike Arthur most of the time where it's kind of just like dude come. It's the well written by Roenick. character is the. That history of not only looking out for his family, but looking out for the little guy as well in that scene, where where the where Lucas chasing him through the apartment complex, and making sure that everyone stays down, stay safe pulling that old lady and be like stay here. Don't move. It's. It's really like I said I think he's one of the most complicated characters we've seen. On TV in quite some time, and it's fascinating to watch. Not only him rise, but unravel at the same time, and you know this Murphy said that like Tommy Shelby is like such a difficult character to play because he's so Austin. Yeah right all day, but if you don't get the Guy, who understands how to play it, it's not work, and you know who the they wanted it I right. So Steven night before he did. People directed a film called Redemption and I've talked about this show. This movie, a lot and I fucking love this movie and it's about a vet who has ptsd. WHO's homeless and. After a night where he defends some someone game beat up he? He gets D- her, and then he breaks into a flat, and then the people who live not flat are GonNa be gone for three months, and he rehabilitates and gets back on his feet, and he finds redemption and falling in love with this none. and. That is played by Jason Statham. And, even night wanted see Jesus in a Tommy. Shall we have first? And I was like mocking crazy to think about it, and it would have been such a different character but like I think was like Stephen. I was like I didn't think that Kilian Murphy was going to be that good and I think he says like you have to remember like killing I'm I'm still human jill. Tommy Shelby. Dan. That's really cool. Yeah. I was going to say. Oh! I lost it. I did like the the nod to being Kilian Murphy. I think it's what. season. Around season, four and season for. The scarecrow Oh yeah, in the scene. With fucking Charlie. Charlie comes running onto the new year. Olds out and you're like. Oh, no ono! Seeing him try to step where he stepped in the mud before because he made it out daily. I was holding my breath. That's what I don't know. Have you wouldn't? Actually think my ultimate favorite part is dialogue read by Kilian Murphy four time shelby and it's I don't know he's talking to, but it's by the time. He has his house so at least by season two. And I. Don't if it's at the end I think is. where he's talking to someone that doesn't understand why he's doing what he's doing. And he said he's like he pretty much. I'm paraphrasing. He says I've seen it all. It's like they will never accept us like we come from nothing. There's always going to be somebody that. Like looks at our money is not good enough for them. and to me, that was the most like relatable moment. I felt to the character because those like yeah, coming from nothing and then dressing yourself up, you know doing everything you can to make yourself like an upright citizen will never be good enough, because only look at your pass never who you are now, and it's like that feeling of like inadequacy that. I think a lot of immigrants on a lot of people who have faced racism. Fee sees and feels all the time and so like to me. I was just like that. It's so hard for me and I was like this is like it was really cool. Because like at this moment you see, Tommy Shelby like having this momentum of like he is now like the Keane of King of Edinburgh Edinburgh, and like you know, he has a small he you know platoon brigade and all that stuff, so it's like he's he's doing. He's a force to be reckoned with again. Parliament will not recognize will say like you're just some bullshit. Car Parts and race peddlers. You're never going to be anything of consequence, and he's like I can get people killed and no talk about it, and I still won't get recognized, and it was like there's that that sense of ambition that. Yeah. and. This show is that. The the women in the shower are so. Radical for the time that they're set in for the early nineteen hundreds, and in mid twenty S, and they're also bad. They are all. Kind of looking at all the boys as boys most of the time being like we put up a lot. Don't we like that boardroom meeting where that guy is trying to be like? I think it's great that we have women. And then then Arthur Tommy shows up and he goes what I miss an Paul goes. The women are decorative. We decided that we've agreed that. Women are decorative. Just like I think that they're written so so well. I think Lizzie is fantastic. I love like I. Didn't expect to like likely as the as much as I liked. He's becoming. Grills on you hard over the course of the show I think it season three. The first time we hear the name Jesse even before we see in the next season. Will they all go to the strike? And they go you know what fuck it. We're closing the shop for today, and we're all GONNA. Go to the strike and Paul ends up getting drunk and like making speeches at the you hear about her like. Grandstanding and just they come back and Thomas. was that about like I'll just having fun like. They're so spending especially like you said Josh. Paulie is such a cool. Interesting. She's almost I would say she's just as complex as as Tommy in a different way obviously. With, her own demons in her own in kind of thing, but the theme they come back to. Is that the two of them keep each other? Alive and that is shown again and again and again and again that there's been multiple times where Tommy's had to pull Paul back from the brink, and has had to pull Tommy back from the brink, and it's. The. EPA thome of their entire relationship. Is that season for switch where they were actually in on it the whole time? Yeah, yeah, unbeknownst to Michael unfortunately that. They. They were tricking Luca into following him for a setup which is just like. I I remember that that switch because I was A. it's Kinda like watching Batman and Superman fight. You're kind of like guys. KYW's come on because you will. I have always loved the relationship between Ball Bali Paulie and Tommy and just like you said it's a give and take when somebody needs to give they give in a they, they know back and forth, and so when you when it's the seeming fight you're like. No it sucks I. Understand why poly so pissed ORWELLIAN receive. while. They're all gone and. It's just they're all I mean ADA become. Her Arc is really really cool. From where she starts in the beginning with Tommy's best friend, which was another really interesting tie in that they they grew up together, and we're best friends, and they're on these opposite sides of of the world, in in a in a social sense but seeing her go from being a communist to kind of running the PR of the entire business and making these contacts and moving pieces, and being like to Jesse like yeah, used to be where you are but I kind of run shit now. So. I run the world. I WANNA. Shout Out, also you saying EPA thome for Epitome Desert thank you. EPA thome all the. Whatever. Talk. To me I was like. Is that like the the the people liners way of saying it because like they have like their own. Perfect example the perfect example. Relationships moment. Same difference but appetite. For Nothing. No, no! I, never heard Color Beltway I must say EPA tone still. Of Their relationship is that stood out as an EPA thome for me? was the conversation by the fire between Paul and Tommy I think that's that's the moment that resonated the most which wander silly where she's talking about how. kind of like what makes them so similar in what makes them work together so much is that they're both living kind of a twilight life where they have one foot in to the living world one foot into Oh when she says it's it's. It's our gypsy blood. Essentially. She's like it keeps us. We should be moving in and we we basically and the both of them having. Basically being on extra time, right. Is? Running from DEF, shaking the hand and walking past young yeah. I think that was great seen. Those things are like for me. Personally, that was the most like that actually got me like Kinda welled up with tears a little bit of John Man. Yeah that was like really real and I feel like who watches. The show can have one of those moments because all of these characters are so fleshed out that you can some of yourself in someone. At some point in the show, you will find something that like ropes you as a person now. Because, like there's just such a wide swath of everybody. I think we've talking about characters we can go on and on about favorite parts and stuff I think we can start going into character. You WanNa talk more about this. Slip inside of them. 'CAUSE I go. We can talk about on a discord baby all day. So, let's do favorite characters, and it's going to be definitely hard, so let's do this. Let's do three favorite characters. Three favorite characters doesn't matter. Was Yeah. It's hard. It's still hard. It's still really fucking. I mean obviously Thomas Shelby. Okay! Tommy Shelby Tommy Shelby all day. To me every time, I hear a Tommy character in a movie or a Tom. Or show, I'm like how you a little bias will even if they're not great like man fucking, it has to be a Tom, doesn't it? But then they're great I'm like how? Shows out there, Tommy Toms or the same. Just said how they weren't. And so Tommy! Number One. Number two is probably. Paul and I wanted to say this was at the first two seasons. You see her. kind of play almost like A. Authoritarian role, which I thought was wonderful Ingraham, an season three. You start seeing vulnerability, which is a really cool thing that happens to male characters. You know you see the brutish exterior, and then you see the sensitive stuff that makes you fall in love with them on the women are typically done in words. They're vulnerable and then when you see him, be like I'm fighting. Fighting like now. That's an empowered woman like, or you could just start out empowered, and then show later on like the different side of that woman, so I thought that was a really well executed way to show that character, and that's also happens with all the all the characters except Ada probably starts out as the love interest Freddie. So that was that was one thing. And then third character would have to the so marty. I think. It's. It's not quote unquote. Not One of the big hitters might be a gold or I forget her name, but the pillow white guy with a beard man, the girl, the the Russian Princess Tatiana. For things for those two while I'm not I'm not GONNA do that I'm not going to the rule. I'm going to say. Gold. Yeah. That's a good choice. Man, you don't know Tatyana Tatyana. Sorry, go touchy Hannah so Tommy. Tatyana fifty shades of Cray. I she the reason why I pick her is because I think she did so much for Tommy's development. And she definitely had all these sexy parts, but to me I think sex and physicality and emotionality when they perfectly Malange in a in a in a wonderful temperament. Like that is when you find out like you, are you you? You control your body. Your body is yours. You everything you have your your who you are and like getting out of all of them to. Her going like I think I have a pen here somewhere, just shooting registrar. And, like the way like yes, she she's like the most maverick out of everybody lives with literally no rules. And veteran families that makes her the most free like you're saying. That that to me, really str- spoke out to me because it's the nobility and the rules, and the unwritten rules in the social contracts that the whole show is based upon like you don't go, you know you don't kill the Italians or else. Those people come kill you or you know you don't. Do you don't do trades over it Sabinas, thing or else he comes kill you. All these things, but she's just like you do what you want because you can, and you have to take what you want and it's like that cool like yeah, there is an interesting level of like that's where the precipice was kind coming from where it's like I'm doing this for the people, but then also don't forget that you're more powerful. Do for yourself to see. You Got Tommy Paulie in town, and then like honorable mention Abram also mentions the entire cast. Rammer. Made it to your tab for also I'm a big fan of eating Gillan. He's fucking. He needs to be more so good. He was my pick for doctor strange. I'll say this to little finger. Finger yeah. In the dark knight he's the dark. Knight rises the. Worries. In the first season the. Guy For you, but Will Kill you. Be extremely painful for you. WHO's I man. I mean like a shout out to the guy who played my my speaking. Little finger that actor, when we were watching season three, Dana thought that when we first heard his voice that the priest was him. Played by that character, so when he season four, we were like. Oh, he is here. which was a terrifying character by the way? Yeah, oh! Yeah, he was one of the scarier villains in the entire PRES. yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah was year. I've talked to that guy I thought he was phenomenal. Yeah, go ahead! Actor for me. Level at one. Is Pauline Arthur they both they? I can't allow way above the other. They are just for different reasons. I really identify a lot. With Arthur and terms of his inner struggle, but polly just she's just so bad ass and I just I, love watching her. Her journey through the entire entire thing from really powerful to Kinda crazy to just the the whole journey was awesome and then I'll I'll say Tommy I mean it's just it's A. One of those shows that like what you just said Tom the shot up to the whole cast. Everybody has a moment where you're just like. Yeah I'm yeah. I'm the I can't look away. Every season finale was just always had me like the fucking. Rested in season three. Excuse me. I thought it was dope. Is fucking I was like? How's he going? I mean I mean I was just like Oh my God. This is the superstar. His point I feel so bad, but I'm going to say John Spoiler Country Tiriac. Ago So John Dies. Does family die to know okay? Everyone else got. His wife and kid. I was like Oh my God we were. Shocked by that when John died because we were like. One and I mean to me. That kind of removed a lot of the safety nets for me. Yeah to me. How yet not like I want him Zyppah. It's like well this. Baby Steve. On gone on record an. Assist to George Martin where he's like I. Don't like to kill characters off for the sake of jostling essentially for the shock value. He's like in real life even for these gangsters. If you look at statistics back, then death was pretty rare. and. So I'll kill them off if actors WanNa leave the show which the guy did. He was in movies following this show coming out. Oh, wow. And he was like it serves purpose. Real purpose to the story. I'll do it like. I'm assuming we're going to find out with. Labral gold broke my heart. But he's he's gone on record saying that so when that happened. I was like. Oh, DAMN! This is this is him kind of making making something count because it does to him matters to the the greater the show people die. It's not. It's not just like all right I don't know where else to bring this guy. Kill him. Even, to the to the extent where sorry, this is another interview. He called Sam Neill to be like he was gonNA. Kill them off in season. One and Sam Neill was. I don't want to die and he was like okay. And wrote a bit more and then call them. Again was like all right has to happen now and Samna was like okay. And they he was like he was a complete saint about it. But doesn't like. The writer doesn't like to do it if he doesn't have to. Sorry go ahead killing. for me. It's Paul Tommy. Lee Game, lizzy. Shoutout, healthy. Kirca's. Game Lizzy. League game lizzy. Felt bad for to fund of her. She. She to me, really started to shine into because. She's. Racetrack I'm so fucking bad for like. She deserves better than this Taibbi. Hyun know that. Yeah I mean even season three. When He. What does he say to her? At the end he goes. This is for you for. Being, bring the only person. Who could who could? Who could something might beat my heart from breaking completely? Yeah, only you. No one else can do that. Yeah! I thought that was I was. Like I think I was just I was too frustrated with her for putting up with it. Yeah, and and even like what was it season five when he's in my head, I'm still paying you for it. Like when he said that to her I was like Oh fuck. He. He's done so much to kind of like. Just drive her away. I'm like Fox. She does not deserve the ship, but also I would hate for her to leave Like so much I. Just don't want her to me I almost find her like I hate to say. I think she's more of her. Than grazes at this point Oh race at this point. She hasn't been in the show that long and Lizzy. lizzy been there which you man like. Give her back will in in watching her back. I think that the turning point for me. Really Liking her still being sad my heart for her. But liking her more was when she was like I was on the phone with a solicitor. You already know that. I hurt I hung up the phone. And I heard your car pull up in a changed. Johnson was like a made a decision. Yeah. That's what I was like. Okay, so it's kind of like. It's the same speeches Arthur. Going on the doorman. She's like I'm I'm the surrogate wife? I'm like. I'm not the wife you want. I'm the wife you have. I'm still in love with you so I'm going to make this work and the ways that I can make it work, and are you going to accept me as that? And they basically made con to business respect, they came to a business agreement. Check checks and balances of check my head with my heart, and you know and I. I liked how that followed up when Moseley came over to the house, and it was just. He's like no, my wife. Does still love her in that sense of like of. Since his entire life, yeah, but he was being very protective about it. I think until season six where he's A. Five. Don't you both ever go away? We'll know. Should come back to my room and Thomas here is that you're gonNA fucking die. Then I was like Hell Ya, baby, yeah fuck. Yes, function. and. My Shadow for Alfie Haaland Tommy are given like. polly's just an amazing character and Tommy Great. Choose a great actor, too. I mean everyone commands it, but yeah amazing, but but just like the the kind of the. Her her spiritual side to really like connected with me, You could say her can't say that technically. Technically. I know they can because they are. They can say it's technically slower. But yeah, just like spiritual stuff that she goes through with near death, experience, or Near death experience I, guess is the best way to talk about having a rope around her neck And and how she viewed the world. How Tommy views the world I've stated my case for Lizzie, but shout for Alfie because he's a Dick. Dick such delightfully horrible way. He. When he talks about Tommy shooting him in the face, and he's like I. Won't bore you with the details this guy's. Yeah. You wouldn't WanNa hear about it, and you can see Tommy spacious varies like Like I don't know I love all those interactions of like the hate each other, but they love each other a little bit, but you. Can. It's like fencing. It's like they're. They're always dueling to a degree, but they have a respect for each other that they don't have any else. Allow took his dog. Wouldn't. Distress and then he's also like I'm GonNa need more than five I need a I need ten. He's like you still have my dog. Yeah! He's fine tens. Okay I guess. Might be one remember the scenery goes. How long till you figured out that I was still alive because you wrote me a letter Alfie. Drugs I WANNA mention anecdotal, so there's a moment where in that scene where Allie pulls out a gun, and then Thomas, says three two to one thing and nothing happens. Okay, didn't so I'm GonNa Tell You my plan. When I was watching it all my lights turned off right when he said I was like. Oh! Wow that happened. I was like all right shit lights. Out Tommy. Talks. and. They're thinking about them doing scenes together. It's just how long they've known each other and the amount of work they've done together and. Knowing that going into these scenes and knowing how much fun they must be having just like old friends, getting together for the emptying time to play these larger than life characters and. Dana said it when we were watching. It was like how much do you think Tom Hardy plays around with with those lines was probably a bunch, but especially with Killian Murphy who he's known since I'm forever. I would say in that sense like it's par for the course because of how the characters are ridden but God. Damn Alfie fucking feel like he's trying to steal every scene and I'm like. Can you give it to them? Please let them act to funding Christ like. Of course he's just GonNa follow him. Of course he's got to follow him. Why wouldn't you follow? The scene on the beach was my my favorite. Between the two of them, both commanding their own scenes when he's like look, stop talking. Look at me and they just have that moment. For me. It's. Thomas and Paul and Alfie as my third. Just the three of them anytime. They are on scene. They're magnetic. When they're on screen, I just can't when I see them appear in a scene I'm just like. Yeah let's do this. especially, especially the to like it when it's Tom and Paul or Tom and Alfie together. I'm just so excited like even that scene that small small scene with the big bucks small thing when he goes, he's GonNa stick around for the fight and he pulls out the glasses and goes on. Know how to I and then walks away I'm just like this whole scene so could. The the. Chemistry three have together as actors. Really shines when they get the the breathing room. Honorable Mention is grace. that. Annabelle. Wallace thank you. Think, animals create. The I was GONNA say that. Wallace I think. From the first season, being able to put that double agents, she just brings the same kind of Alfie. Brings to. These scenes is just this moment of being like okay I can breathe for a SEC. There's someone onscreen who is rational to assess the degree. And once wanted that they had the same goal, although Tommy and her ideologies were different about how the world works, their goal in the end was to start a family and be happy, and it was such A. Nice. Breath of fresh air to seen to see them kind of come into each other's levels to a degree where she. She accepts Tommy for who he is unlike the Linda and Arthur situation where Linda's like change everything about yourself and I love you. She was just too Tommy was like I. Don't need you to change anything about yourself I. Just want I just wanted to be happy. I want us to do what we need to do together to create a happy life, no. No secrets no nothing and she didn't judge him for anything he. Did. You know it's. That whole scene about. This is how I am. When I'm scared, you haven't seen it but I I know it I can keep carrying on and her just going okay. Now I trust you with that. And it was such a wonderful juxtaposition between the two of them that. Yeah, it lake for me. When when she came back and season two I was like this bitch I was like and then she says I make a mistake, and he says No. I was like Oh God. He's GonNa. Go for he's GonNa go. He's going to try to have a happy ending and then. They're having issues in your like, don't you? Fuck and do this to me, don't you? fucking make them conflicted for no goddamn reason and then. Recipes. It happens and I'll just like I. Try to had it all. You could had it all right. Now. We did all the favorite characters at least what we can try to do with them. Now it's do. We have any I will start out real quick because this was actually Kinda fun because I was not looking for this and there are a few. ONSET, goofs! and that I noticed just like purely watching naive and look and I was like. The fucking. Go back on the ship. So season three episode one during Arthur's speech. Doing these things all. I'm just saying they're fun. They're not qualms and just. Trying to bring up that shit. There's a boom on the wide angle. There's a boon that pops up and I was like that's. And, then I'll ask shit because that's how it feels like. Shit. I didn't even the movies is hard, and then in season five episode to there's not good continuity between hands and work cups are. Never even thought on cigarettes, and then everything is going to do that to you. The secrets fine. It's the it's. It's where a hand is here I'm just saying yeah having. Yeah go ahead and I was like having having like. That's why it's like not to play with things during inbetween dialogues, it's hard i. feel this is your way. It was not really have qualms, but I did notice these teeny tiny mole. It's Kinda like. Again I. Don't love for these things, but then I see it because like I. Don't WanNa. Say Like I've made enough films, but it's like that shit. fucking is the bane of my existence. Thomas me on his set you I was fiddling with a glass and he was like. Don't do this to me. Because you're. Not In the next coverage I'm like. Fuck on a good, yeah good idea. And so to me, I think that's so hard like you know. Some people are like. Oh well. The audio threw me out or blah. Blah threw me off and I'm like that's tough. That's hard. You can't change that. You can't go back like fucking, Redo the whole scene especially if it's a dramatic scene, too, because it's like you don't WanNa put the actress through that Shit. Third of again. These constantly things don't fucking matter to me I'm just bring up now. There's a weird thing that happens with Tommy taking the gun away from Obama gold like he takes it from him, and it's not and they do like a jump cut, and so it's like a jump cut pretty much is when they cut to another angle. It's supposed to be a forty five degree difference. I think minimum of thirty five degrees, so it doesn't feel jarring, but it's just like or or to a wide, but you don't do the other way around. It's from is from a wide into close into the same angle. So as why in the you can't do that for effect. Especially when Tommy's like rip roaring drunk and like he's on his vacation like that's a perfect jump cuts because it's like it's jarring. But this is like a normal sequence, but I will say. An actual qualm I had Qualm, it's more like. Give a shit. It's where I wasn't really too much of a fan of. The third season villain. The, the preschool I think the performance is great, but it didn't feel like true obstacle for Tommy. Like season one like Kim. Don't fuck with my Shit I kill you. Sabine. Candle, go on my tracks I. Kill you to season four was. MUKA! Luca. You killed my by my dad. I, Q, and then season five like. Rise of the fascist Nazi army, and it's like Oh shit, and like I have like he's the foil. Time shall be like the way he rose to power and what he has. The ability to is on par, if not better than Tommy's so like this is a true threat. We're like the pres was like. He had some goons and some reason we couldn't get to him because he was doing deals with the Russians and so the only reason he got into those deal. The Russians is because of this priest dude so felt like if we didn't have to deal with the Russians at all, this guy would be out in a second. And so for me, I was kind of like. To me and I'll honesty. Season three was much more of a development character season. which isn't a bad thing at all me if you don't have if you have to good. Avila and no one progresses out. Rather choose the weaker villain and everyone progresses. which a lot in that season! I mean every season. The developed really well. So with that. Yeah season, the felt like a little like. What's going to happen because to me having grace, Di was like big enough revelation of like. You know you have an entire season to deal with this now. And, they're adding like now the deal the Russians and the now Linda and then now The one thing I will say about that villain is. Targeting! The only piece of family that he had left. As far as you know Grayson Charlie, saying, you know leaving the notes under Charlie's. All fucking Oh man like. You want to start a Tommy. Shelby. The banquet when it gets kidnapped us. We're we're? We're Charlie Charlie Charlie and then. That's how you get to the heart Itami. Shelby is go out, so the bottom cares about most which is family. If anything season three was the most detrimental to Tommy like fucking. Got Cracks and long he's gotTa wear those bad houses for the rest of my goodness, but yes, so yeah season three I felt like had the quote unquote weakest villain so scarier in those glasses to me. But other than that fucking meticulous I don't think there's really much quantity like. I think I read one review or one thing that was mad about like how Tommy Shelby can have sex to save the day and I was like that's a very. Detract Ivanov reductive and disingenuous and kind of look at it. when you understand where the characters are going on that stuff, so yeah. Yeah it's. It's I, mean they call. Eighty calls him out on it. It's like Oh. Good Tommy's Cox GonNa Save the day. And it's. Interesting I mean I thought about the same thing in the night. I kind of went on this tangent of like. And yet we a movie called Red Sparrow where that's the entirety. Well I mean it's not even like Red Sparrow's like I'm a spy. In the way fucking. His induced Bob La to time. She'll also his character. It's like debauchery is like a normal thing on the streets of a small terming him so so I'm like. Why not to me like there's I. Don't know I think there's a little bit. I don't know there is. There's definitely conversation to be had about someone using their sex as poise as a way to seduce the opposition and I'm like. I think it's fair game on both ends. You know so. That's just me I think it should be. Different Than Jackson position as to Caitlyn's valid point about. Afro Samurai. where? Know Annapolis Right. He save someone's life by having sex with them, and it's a tool. He's using in peaky blinders to manipulate someone which is very. Very real thing in real life. Unfortunately, there's no such thing as Dick. I mean He. I Very I agree that it's reductive in the fact that like. They they set you up for. The emotional manipulation Mike, it's not just he's having sex with people like with Jesse specifically. He they set it up that like Oh. Yeah, he knows she's lonely. He knows that she likes music and be talked about. Drink something nicer, the Mata aspects and Than just that. He's. Everywhere. Moseley's not is just like pure power tries. Yeah, because they have that. It's a good like juxtaposition of like. Moseley uses his his Dick. Dr, his power and Tommy uses hymns his to manipulate. There is there is a difference there. Yeah because you love as well unfortunately Tommy also uses you're right. It's an IT's an entirety entire mind fuck of everything emotional. It's physical. It's well and that's. That's why I felt so bad for Lizzie for so long I was like you have this emotion Jersey later. Well I feel bad for Jessie to. Throwing onto the pilot. Yeah! No, there's like there's a trail there. Limit US. With that body count baby. Was someone through qualms? May I go ahead? Take up the mantle so Michael were. the I was actually a little bothered by. while the women are very strong in this I felt like. They could have done more the. There was a time where polly was talking to. The painter was like is shot copper once I was like. Is that what does that? It I? Feel like polly's murdered like twenty people, but we just never got to it. And I know that that It was kind of going more from the you know. They came from war and they've already killed a lot of people in the war, and then come here, and they're killing a lot of people but like. Paul came from a really rough background to of like hunting. Away like with our kids getting taken away to right like I feel like. When when they when they talked about how she's like dangerous. I feel like they didn't give her enough ammunition I feel like she had they they. Didn't explore that avenue of giving more. Danger to the women in the show. Sure, yeah! All talking with the interview, Selena, Kilian Murphy and Steven Night. With Pollen Tommy. Tommy Paul Paul in comparison to the rest of their army. Do a very small amount of the LEGWORK killing that service. Right 'cause they're intelligent. From my aspect when it's talked about how dangerous Paul is is thought it was from A. Strategic standpoint like she will. Take every single time. been too because he told A. You're not that guy. You're not the gunman urogenital, so you don't do that stuff. But I would also to that point where it's like they could have given them more things to do like. There I get that point. I don't necessarily feel like a maybe this is me and I'm having to process my own like prejudices and also for like. Women who are cutting and haven't like killed with their own hands to me feel more dangerous than men who brutalized people. With their mind, and they can get people to do things for them, instead of like having to go out there and kill people right, but for me is specifically for poly I think that's that's where the the basis of my qualm lies, because when I look at grace. No, it was important for her to be scared of like not using a gun anything like that. Eight specifically kept away from violent stuff more of the. was just like you know. She had grown up in the wild, so she was just like a wild character, but specifically for polly who had had so many like. So many run INS with people I i. don't see how she couldn't have away. Somebody killed more people than one person 'cause like Tommy strategic too, but he's killed a lot of people yeah sure so like it's not a huge bomb like it didn't do anything for me. I'm not I'm not argued either I'm just trying to figure out also why why there wasn't I'm we'll find out. If you were a painter and someone said that yeah I'm from a Romany. Poverty killed a couple of people, or if it's this luxurious woman who says I've killed cops. What sounds more dangerous to you? Auvinen I. Get that I think it's more just a It just felt sort of a deflated moment to me. Sure I'm how our full she feels. The rest of the time was like Oh. This is going to be the thing that's impressive. I feel like. There's there's more power to her than I've killed the cops sure. The whole show, just that specific moment specific. In that moment you have to remember. She's allowing someone to fall in love with her first time in. So for her. She's awkward as Hell, yeah. I, get it, it's. Just like she's picking the most scary dangerous thing she can think of and. You know I killed a cop. It just didn't it it. It was like A. Pin In the balloon deflecting? That's what that's what we've seen as the audience. Kill young links and look how that will. CARLING's, but anyway that's call. My qualms. Played with that more yeah I. This year only serious some. There was some meat there said like what she did when. You're. Yeah yeah some. Some more passed in that line. That would make her a little more robust. You have another in some way for that scene. Now off the painter, the painter he just poof from existence. Me A lot I mean. She did fucking threaten his life, and then like maniacally almost Ripley's head off kissing him while he looked at this terrifying portrait or that he did her destroyed. and to me, that's why I'm like. Goals was the. Guy For her because he could handle that shit was the guy for her. Didn't they? Jail for a while to? Like a Margaret after that, so I think he probably was like peace. Handle this Tommy pushed him out. We didn't see but I think just for. and. She went crazy and so I think. I just wanted I wanted some kind of finality with it 'cause they was also like. Maybe he's the trader, maybe he was. Information to his friends over the newspaper. We like yeah, but we found out he wasn't yeah, and also I think in a sense for polly's character in. This is this is fun I get to say. He's kind of accessory. Like Oh yeah! You're like Alabama and polly. It's like. You're kind of now accessory to poly, so it's like whoever whoever's going to be a better fit for. polly's who are really care about and at that point it's like. Poly you could do. And then, so it's an Brahmos like someone like. Fuck about who she was and knows where she comes from and also still in love with her and. Talk about he's like. I know nothing by have to give you. This man this man. fucking look in the fifth season. Gets all cleaned up and the worst? Thing Yeah Oh man, when? When. They come into the GIN distillery and Alfie is like when a man walks in and walks with that haircut. You know something. Can't trust him with the Fuck Eze. Who the fuck am I talk. Other qualms anyone. Ev One, Josh. I only have one Seasons, six and seven out now. That's my only qualm his. season five to me. It doesn't ruin my experience of it. At season, five to me felt scattered a bit in terms of one through four were a bit focused in terms of like who bad guy was who the conflict was where dubbing guy, who the bad guy. Five it was like okay. You've got billy's boys and you've got mostly and so if it's just for me, it was like okay. WHO's? Moseley here one in the same. Cool Yeah, it just felt like it didn't ruin my experience of it. It was just a moment where I went. Who Tobago! Cool, but otherwise. I think the way you felt about. Five is how I felt a little bit three. World like. Huda conflict. Buddha conflict! But? Yeah, I, mean otherwise I. It's strange when I don't notice things like everybody's noticing. I'm like I didn't notice that. It's not the notice. It may not just affect you at all. Yeah, like to me if I see something like a boom Mike. I'm like it doesn't affect me, but I fucking notices. Obviously, he's having some effect. Like that Kaelin good, job! A Corey was your mom now, not enough episodes. Cova. That season. Six hasn't showed up. Kobe covid ruined it. That's it. Okay, so it's not even to do with the show. It's no I, don't I honestly like? Here's the thing I. Before I even saw that article about it being. Rated the best of the decade I. I thought that this is this is the best show I've ever seen and. To. Fault it for. Again this my personal faulted for things of shortcomings in in a scene here or there. For me would be to take away from what I think. They've achieved with this show, which is really impressive for for really you know this band of misfits who've come together to create. Something really really remarkable. That was really. Outskirts at first. And they just kind of stuck with it and believed in what they were doing, and it has become inconsistently really well. It's consistently really really good and everyone in it has just. has just performed in a way at every level from from the set designed the costumes to the act to have writing light camera work to music. Like has just gone beyond what I've seen in this format before and to that I I I gotta give it no question the road. Going to cause and I, we've watched a lot of British like television shows and British television shows. Don't often go for very long. So like when we saw when we were talking about earlier that season two big holy shit moment you're like well. It was a BBC show where you're like well. This might actually be the end so I'm like. I'm excited. That has gone on this long continues to like. If you look at the viewership of the show and to see it progressively go so far up. It's so nice because people are seeing that it is so good and in there there is that sense of like I feel bad. 'CAUSE L. compared to BBC shows and also worldwide phenomenon is like you know walking dead and game of thrones where it's like. In each season of people I, unders- like you can remember what was kind of the premise point of the season like okay. That is when this happened this season. That happened this season. This happened like he gets a house. He had to go back to small heath like he gets married. He doesn't get married like things like that. Like are so like highlighted in such a very consistent and and well-thought outweigh. Where other shows like so did he die in this season or that one? She dead by this point or that one? That wedding happened here. Do they get to that city yet? And so like yeah, it's. Yeah, it's and we flashback to our watchman episode. We talked about the HBO show like you were very stubborn about like. You know this is a really fucking great show, but it's not my favorite. The best show I've seen and for me watchman will be that one, but then yeah, but he blinders like if Washington seem to happen, I don't know if they could do what they did for season one for watching for five seasons where peaky blinders doing really well for five seasons, yeah. So. Yeah, that's why it's my my qualm that I bring up maybe I. I missed a tidbit that didn't sink in in terms of. WHO's with WHO, and all that kind of stuff, but it's not. It's a show that I I looked through and I. Watch, and it's the experience of it that I'm just like enthralled Fry every minute of it where you're like. where it's almost like that thing like. Maybe it's a tidbit that I miss about the story. It doesn't ruin it for me. The boom shot in all that crap by unlike also another stupid qualm to be like he's a little bit more red right hand in the opening. All the different covers. All yeah, but like. There was a really like wonderful. You know that moment when you start getting into the groove watching a show, and then like it starts feeling like your daily nightcap or whatever? Yeah, there was a very wonderful familiarity that got where it's like. Here's the opening shot, and then right when something happens here the thing, and then you see the peaky blinders thing I also respect to show. That has no problem waiting for their title page to come in to twelve to fifteen minutes into their hour long. Series two. Sometimes it would pop up and I was like we didn't do this. Get. All establishing so there's a lot of does I i. liked that do that I'm like Oh. My God you're. Not even ready shout to their use of. Black. ABBOTS pigs like that was. One of my favorite. Songs too when that started off. I was like Oh awesome shits about ticket real. This is not a song. Use Use lightly a dialogue scene right here. Anyway so I've stars. Five five blinders at a blinders, so yeah, we're not. We're not going to read it. And Yeah, that's been. That's been pretty much. How we do a show. That's that's ongoing. Yeah, other. Johnny Dogs. Can we just appreciate Johnny Dog? The entire show all of the characters because. I wanted to be Latin so my wife and I are talking about Johnny Dogs and just how? Wonderful. It is to have a character that. Just. Just therefore it whatever it is, he's just like all right Tom. Let's do it. Have a gold accused him. I was like this mother. fuckers can go. In that line to time, he's like out of all the people in all the world. The only one. I can trust Johnny Yeah because he he's never failed, and he's never went against him ever and so no matter what he said, that's what's up. Yeah, and that's. That's tough to find in that kind of show on. 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Episode 58:There Can be Only One

Lights, Camera, Upkeep

1:06:17 hr | 3 months ago

Episode 58:There Can be Only One

"Hello and welcome to lights. Camera upkeep the podcast about filmmaking pop culture and whatever else we all throw into the mix. I'm corbin joined by will. Yeah i'm here. I mean. I moody face right now. Yeah i'm a teenager now. Dan navalny tanks. You wouldn't know this but you've been doing this podcast with a twelve year old. That made several things inappropriate. Didn't stop talking. I would like to not be on the list. no i'm just realizing that I'm going to be an old manson. So you'll realize to be an old man soon aren't high older than you. I've already realized old man not realize you're an old man yet. No no i know. I'm an old man i get. It took five minutes being on tiktok. I wish like the south park upset day where they were talking about people who are like youtubers and they all don't understand like the eight year olds should have grand played. You just don't understand. They're like i'm ten. I'm not a grandpa alright. So this week we are going. Continue getting off topic like this. Because we're doing another round back pocket pitches. And if you haven't listened to back pocket pitches before i could barely pronounce it. Apparently without stumbling over it back pocket pitches a little game. We play where we create. We generate five rain words and and someone has to pick at least three of those words and use that john and come up with a pitch for a movie. And if this is your first back pocket pitches. It's probably your first episode so good luck. This is us at our most chaotic. My goal is to make all of these fast and furious movies when how late isn't for me to quit when i am of course king on this. We don't need to though that one time it was done for the christmas movie i still think it was perfect but that wasn't even the back pocket inches when you're talking about christmas episodes for how shit that's right tropical cream. We just decided the best. Christmas movie we could make is fast and furious. Think what actually causing to watch him fast. The your it is therefore i regret it our worst episode because of what it did. That's when we look back and we're like that episode. That's the one that ruined our. We've only got one more. It's coming next week. And then we're done with franchise. And i will never bring it up again we will. This'll be a fast and furious free. Podcasts i also in real life. I will pretend i do not know what it is. Yeah if anyone's ever like oh. Have you seen this movie. Nope never watched it. And i listened to your podcast. You talked about it. i'll make a merge purge episodes. No they get to stay. I'll go with the list of alternate vin diesel. So i never have to his existence again area all right but without further ado. Let's get into the game. I'm gonna make. We'll go i i. It always warns me up if you go first Because i think you're better at this game than i am. I just feel like. I always think it's better when you get warmed up when you go first and it's like i always like when you start off colville. All of this is starting to sound very sexual. So let's move on move on. Don't don't question okay. Let me give you words. Your words are convert battery. Bible war a mutual so when this is sent to me it was sent in the top little right corner thing so they weren't all spaced so it just looks like it said bible war in house like we. That's the word bible. War is a word altogether and your genre is fantasy scifi. Okay okay fantasy scifi bible or mutual battery convert words. Actually like this is already sparking something for me so like maybe i should have taken your words but okay. Let's get it. We know we never take the other person words. And what can we take each other's words. We usually do sometimes the last one together but the last time we did it because we we ran long. Okay i think. I'll use all of them except for mutual. That's because mutuals like really boring word. So by a war is one word as we all know that and battery convert convert obviously someone converting from one of the religions to the other religion. Obviously bible war okay so scifi fantasy it is going to be something similar to you know whenever a new video game comes out or new video game console or two franchises. Come up at the same time and they call it like a franchise war or console war. This is a bible war and so it's in the distant future and everyone is kind of like the movie her. We're like it's futuristic but it's not so futuristic that it's like everything looks alien everything's still looks like our normal world. They just have to improve technology that is seamlessly integrated into the world. Kathy so everyone has it. Looks like a kindle. But it's like one of those like futuristic digital ones where you actually don't have to hold something usually holds your hand and then like a hologram like a holographic image appears kind of thing where it's like chip in your hand and just yeah. The class tools nasa tact okay and gave up a massive that grow fast. So that's we just got boycotted by all domestic people So there is going to be in the in the in the near future. The everyone releases a new religion a year basically. It's like what's the new hot religion of the year and so there's two different warring Advertisement companies because those are now now are in charge of religion are advertising companies because basically religion is currently as advertising so too boring advertising companies are both coming their new religion and everyone is so excited for the new bible wars and there is one person who they're so swamped down by all of the new religion every year and they find someone who can charge phones by looking at them they can charge things just by looking at them and they're like this is the greatest thing ever the worst thing ever is when you have a phone run on battery and a human being i can just look at this person is clearly the messiah like they are cyber jesus and the then go on a whole thing of trying to create an actual religion about this person who's straight up. Has superpowers answered. The bible. Wars has a third person about them slowly converting the other advertisement people into their religion about someone as metrical and then they'll find out that that person's like every that the person who can charge stuff never really says anything everyone is kind of like listen to what the person is talking about them and then we find out that it's just a prototype made by a company of an android that charges phones for people on sunday realize that their their religion also a false religion kind of thing so i had a question and i think you answered it. I was going to ask in this key. Religious wars as wars is there an equivalent to pc. But i been there if the people who think. There's the master race of the console wars pc in those people who think they had the actual religion but in a find out. There's actually no real difference between all three of them kind of is just one can The one is slightly better technology on side. You you already. Preemptively answered my question that i had for this movie so good job on that so we decided five fantasy comedy right. That's the the vibe we're going for into the question is the audience. At what point does the audience find out that the messiah is just a battery is self charger and i think the thing. We need to have a time where we think it's a real thing but we have to find out before everyone else does. It has to go. We find out then guy finds out then everyone finds out or no one finds out and the only only the one guy finds out he realizes he's a fraud but then he realizes that his fraud could actually help people and it's like that whole stupid message. Things someone's like ally will help people more than the truth. It's like that scene in rick. And morty where they find out the jelly bean came pedophile. But they don't tell people because they say his memory will help people more than what he really was So it's that kind of idea or the stupid to face thing at the end of the dark knight. Yes i hate the to face on Looking back i slowly hate the dark knight more and more. Because i quite liked it when it first came out but now that it's been like what ten years ten years plus maybe i don't know since it came out. It just sucks. yeah. I think there was a couple of things that the nolan trilogy. Like really hit out of the park. And there's a couple of things that it's like what tanks is no one ever talks about. The first one. Like the first batman batman begins which i thought was the most solid or the three actual rate. I think is really good. I think it's got the coolest villain i've always thought scarecrow. So cool and scarecrow doesn't get a lot of like action movies really got some regime google which is awesome and it's got a great cast like is liam neeson right. Yeah it's got the guy from inception who also in like twenty eight days later. I can never remember his name. It's like cillian murphy or something kilian murphy. Kilian murphy something. It's a weird name a good name but it's not a name that i if it's not the ones you heard lots and not one of them you can remember and okay so the first one. I think really well balanced doing this whole dark. Realistic take while also having like just enough weirdness left from the comics and worked something kind of obscure not the heath ledger. Joker was bad. No no no. He's i think. Also there scarecrow is the one that they actually captured the comic book. The like the best. 'cause like i hate the bane i hate being like why does look like he's like five ten and then joker was nothing really like the joker in the comics. He wasn't funny. Yeah well he was funny like maybe two times. Everyone tells me the pencil was funny. I don't think it is funny. And so i will give people the pencil seen. And that makes it twice in an entire. What two and a half hour film whereas in the the harley quinn tv show the jokers actually kind of funny in it. Sometimes he's awful but sometimes he says some funny jokes all right. Let's get back on topic. I was fully prepared to take that segue but we gotta come back St less headway going on joy. Ryan have you ever been on a segway have never been on a segue now. We'll cut off a segue segue right there. So it starts with the opening scene should be like an advertisement right in like we see the advertisement for this new religion and zooms out and show someone watching the ad on tv or whatever and then it shows them look out their phone and their phone battery goes like the anti go like disappear and then this thing just mechanically walks up towards them kind of sits down looks at it in their phone charges and they're just like who whoa and then we leave them for violent goto like the whole bible or stuff but we eventually returned to the their group but the group is already starting to grow a little bit and so we don't actually show their religion grow as much we kinda show in the background from time to time. We should look important moments in their their phone charger religion. So actually i think are tangent led to somewhere. 'cause i think i have a good casting for our lead kilian murphy was billion. I don't know see so. I don't know one thing i'll say about him is i. Don't know if he can play good guys anymore. he's played good guy once and then he's always played villains. I could see him being the robot that doesn't talk 'cause he has kind of a robotic look to. I thought about that but like his performance is good. I know he is like you could be one of the bad guys in charge on the other he could be I would argue that. He could also be the lead. But if you wanna make bad guy it's your movie. I want him to be the lead. Because i think he's so good in twenty eight days later and so likeable and you know what let's return to that we don't actually keep typecasting him even in inception he's really the bad guy. He plays kind of ski. But he's kind of emotional anchor. The entire film doesn't help. Movies still sucks. I'm younger with cillian murphy. And so i feel like there has to be like a three miracles or that are made by this robot so like one is like charges a phone A second one is like maybe it walks in front of car gets hit by the car. Everything's died and then they showed it to back up and runs like whoa. It can't buy our messiahs invincible into like they just continuing to perform these miracles. That are actually just like the. What a battery charger does kind of thing. And then we'll follow like the save the cat because of the i think would follow saves capri well and so the darkest moment will be when the main character finds that. It's just a phone charger. How did they find out. It's just a phone charger. The someone recognized the phone charger and say hey. What are you doing with our prototype or do they see. Advertise inferred online or something or is there a romantic relationship between phone charger in the main character. Oh no please. No you know there has to be one person who thinks that the phone chargers romantically interested in them but because the phone charger never talks or says anything. It's completely. This person projecting their feelings on the phone charger as for how they find out. I'm gonna go with either a user manual or serial serial number somewhere something that can be readily found and doesn't rely on a lot of outside knowledge because if there's a i mean it's comedy but like for suspension of disbelief if there's a wealth of knowledge involved it has to be like a has to be a prototype for a product that hasn't been released yet or something and escaped and so i one thing that could be as you know like this happens all the time with people when they're streaming and they'll say like hey siri and their phone turns on right it could be that they say A code word rate like they say something that the chargers supposed to react to like. They're having an argument with the messiah saying like. Why don't you say anything. Why don't you do anything and it's like how do you function and it If you wanna find out my information check on this website and use my serial number one three four six and it goes through in the person's like what i actually makes me think that maybe the messiah should save things from time to time. But they're all so the first time you watch the movie. It seems like wise deep things that they're responding to the cursing with right like you like the classic movie where there's like the dalai lama s character in. Someone asks him something in like all. Tangerines are beautiful. If you look at them through the right glasses and the person's like that so profound so this charter response to people with like these. That sound like that when you look back. They're all just like things that you would find in a user manual so you are reminding me heavily of the good place which i was already looking at for casting choices because i'm going to be pulling at least one casting choice out of the good place because jason's whole thing no jason where he's the silent monk at the beginning and you know he just kinda nods at the right time and people whatever they want this woman very good place deal to it in the sense that it's like treasury that when you re watch a lot of a and stuff like that. Well it'd be good place kind of i kind of wanted william jackson harper to play the quote unquote messiah. Because i didn't want someone who's already done the whole android thing and it's just known for playing non emoting characters because again. Let's break the typecasting. But i feel. Like william jackson harper cad perfectly straddle the line of doing stone-faced reactions and putting just enough expression to to add a comedic kick. It's kind of a large part of what he does in the good place and he's like he's like profound. Yeah he's really good at comedy too so he really good physical comedy as well in. A lot of this will be physical comedy. Yeah i i quite like as they slowly build up their religion and then the reveal happens in there have to be a few times where they have the conflict in fight. The bad guy where it's like the other bible companies trying to discredit them or something. But slowly the vile bible companies also get converted to the way of the battery who the way the battery title ochia. The only thing is this way of the battery too much. Give away the fact that the thing is about because it charges charges right i think obscures it just enough and like that whole way of the thing. Yep the battery. Yeah i think this sounds like a decent lane ridiculous on on brand thing for us. Do you have any other casting thoughts. I mean i'm just. I'm still looking at the good place cast but that's just me. I could see we tend to do this where we like really focus on a certain tv show or movie in pole people from that. But i could see kristen bell playing the bad guy because i think christabel is like because the comedy. Yeah and i'd give her villain role. She's played villains in a lot of comedies. Before i think she's awful in parks and rec right now he's in. I know she's a party down and she's offline that she didn't like house of lies she's pretty offline that show too so she she pretty good and even in the good place plays someone who's awful but likable into this whole idea. She's pretty good at play characters. You're supposed to be greedy and don't care but other people think it's because she's really nice in real life. It's often like people who complain. This terrible people are really nice. You mentioned save the cat i think. Eleanor shells drop is one of the best counter arguments to save the cat in a character study. But that's a that's a topic for another time because she starts like her darkest moment right choosing like she doesn't really have a save the cat moment until well into the series. Yeah but when she she only has says as a true one in my opinion like she really does become a great person and has a great character arc over her but it's not typical and because of all the time losing time receptors. A time where she kinda like oscillates through made good places soco. I got my parents into watching. It's been rewatching and i still have. It actually finished it. Which will do now. Now that i'm going through it again will continue in the damn thing. It's so good i- hundred sent recommend fishing. It is one of those shows where it's so good when you the last episode. You don't want it to be the last episode. Yeah yeah you're also glad because it's a great ending they don't linked drake the show on so it's like that bittersweet kind of feeling. Okay you only move onto yours. Yeah let's get some words in make something terrible so i'm making one change to the first word okay. I know nobody here can read. But the first word that came across was but will replace the k with another see. So now it's pick. Your next word is read rare platform in criminal and then you got spin that wheel spend a win wheeler my spinning wheel. I couldn't afford the wheel. Feels free spin it. What are we got. What are we got machi. Mentoring day we love him. Mentoring love a good mockumentary. Okay and sometimes a bad mockumentary. What we made the best we've made to the best. Mockumentary is on our on our things. We've made the adventure racing one and we made on a plane we've ever made that. I'm so stuck on. Mario right now because i see platform i see red and thick which makes me think of bows at by the way for no particular reason. We're not gonna go there. We can't leave is like some kind of like have you seen the movie lars and the real girl or real. Though it's a ryan gosling. I think the ryan gosling a ryan reynolds. I sometimes confuse them. I'm fairly certain is ryan gosling and brings his girlfriend home to meet his parents. And it's a sex doll. Everyone's weirded out but like that's the whole movie pretty much. I'm getting that kind of vibe. When you said hotmail hot. Mario criminal comes into it because from perspectives. Everyone's a criminal but in this perspective This is a true crime. Mockumentary about mario. And it's from the perspective of thousands of the coupons investor who is for no particular reason an inbound set for actually building a new life along with everyone's favorite ship at princess peach. Oh she was kidnapped for a reason it. Well no. It wasn't kidding because we were seeing this all through mario's perspective and he was cleaning his spin on it. I will say immoral odyssey. Peach does to turn them both down. Which is hilarious. I don't know where i'm going from here. I think if basically laid out with what this movie is. I don't know how much more i could like degan details. We have this idea and we could dig more into it or you could have take place in our have having. Mario seemed to it as well like someone. Mary's bows at the digital thing. But has the truecar who have no. I like the i like the true crime. Mockumentary about the crimes of mario. From the perspective of bowser we get lots of one interviews with topol toads. Tell is just going to be horrifying and at the end of toads. He says everyone keeps asking me. If this is a hat or not. I'll show you what it is. And then they don't show up but they showed the cameraman's reaction in just like throwing out nelson and other plotlines go into is louie jesus range from his brother factor like he was basically coerced into committing crimes along with him until he eventually inherited a house. Which is haunted. We can go to like luigi one on one in. He's talking and he's like it's really bad on your self worth in your psyche. When your brothers. Mario vargo and your luigi mario like you always feel you have to be the second player in life kind of so the thing is. There's not a lot to focus on here. But i think we're gonna find some golden first of all some plot twists second casting. I was like casting. But here's going to be really animated. Listen even if it's animated which i'm fifty but okay animated should mario. We still need voice actors for all of these characters. We'll do we just hire the guy who's actual voice. Mario no no because this is criminal mario. He doesn't get to come off as your plucky italian plumber now. He is going to sound gruff up. Actually i was gonna say robert deniro. But mario the good guy though. Mario thinks he's the good guy get interview from. Mario in prison by robert deniro all coming together. I like this one thing. I will say not to rain on your parade dote rate. Why do it dork. Lee has done this. I don't care they another. Your brain thinks there's no such thing as an original idea. Everything is no maginot now thick. Take my brain immediately tomorrow. We're not going to talk about that. We get to explain. Why is it bows it. it's. I'm sorry my wife's giving me a look more than a look gestures white. It's bows at one is because the word thick came up to because we're gonna make more money as a film studio with. We're going to need all that money for all the lawsuit talk. We're gonna officially licensed this intendo onboard intended sign off on the original mario movie they could sign off on this. What goes wrong. Antennas future okay in this film okay. The third reason it's bows at because it basically gives us a baseline for a relatable bowser but also a buzzer who couldn't quite connected speech but has found their way to connect with princess peach. And it's the princess crown. Okay they still turn into that using the princess crown. okay Can we have rupaul vazza. So i'm the to shatter your whole. Rupaul has made a lot of transphobic comments. So no oh yeah you wouldn't believe it. Would you but actually like to ban trans women from drag race for a lot of reasons to double standard. Yeah so yeah no actually not rupaul. Rupo is not trans positive enough for a bows at movie. So who's your. Who's your suggestion. I don't know what someone new i i know. You all are castings. it's fun. We do this but if he were ever actually making these things. I'm a very big supporter in new blood. Yeah except i do want robert deniro to play. Mario that's Yeah this is the. This is the big ask. There's like the one guy who won an oscar this last like on sunday and he said it was his first movie he ever made in. He really wanted anthony hopkins in it in. Everyone's like you can't get the hopkins first movie. And then he did and he was like see. Don't close the door on yourself. So that's that's our robert deniro story. Also let's go wrong and robert deniro slice that he's going to be on this movie joker and not that i think joker was bad. Good all your wasn't he in that movie right now about Grandpa and his grandson. Who are in a war with each other. Yeah like robert de niro. Robert de niro has fallen. He's been in every sequel to meet the parents and the parents but like meet the parents. I feel like at least it kind of had values a little bit. So we got mario in. Who's making the documentary okay. So it's not toad because toad is the one that makes the filmmakers vomit at the end. Which i need in there like i think it could be either aku. Reo or while luigi. Everyone's favorite while not or bowser junior. Bazargan yours too close to this. That's like a skewed perspective. Quality is far enough away to come into this somewhat. Neutrally we in shot because everyone loves while we would always talks about how he never gets any love and so it's like while the wages the main character but he's also not in it but we do get to hear him in the background. Wow and is there. Is there a scene where While each excellent leases camera on when he's going to go out sexist. Someone is just outside the door music. Why what's what's our with warriors. Classic sound. I don't think he really has well. It'll be complementing the laws because they're not brothers. It's not creepy okay. I guess it's true. Why are you in luigi. Just two guys all they are to each other. I the series that while louise not his name. 'cause i think it is that i think warrior actually is warriors name and he met this man who is his antithesis right. Who's named mario and he realized that. This mario guy has a brother named luigi and he was like to get a while the we note. I need to get wait. What and then he goes he does the paper he like. He finds someone. The guy comes with the paperwork. He looks at the certificate with a new name. Change or whatever it says while luigi and he just looks up at him as like what the hell. Why is your name while luigi not mario. It's not what mario what did you do. Listen there's nothing we could do to get l. ups. I doubt except turning into a seven. And that's a very different movie. Slash game franchise will. It could be like an rr ruijin right given that this a game is from japan. I'm gonna go ahead and say that's racist all don't you don't you as a joke though clearly of joking. That's like morrissey complained that the simpsons were racist because they called him a racist and his manager was like they did not say one instance of when he's been racist and it was like wait. What you're not matter. They're calling him racist. You're confident provide proof of when he's been racist. Okay okay morrissey okay. So this greedy. Mario story about how mario is actually the villain because he was viewing the relationship between peach and bowser as stealing peach when in actuality was peach. Leaving mario yeah but she kept calling back because she it's like an abusive relationship and she was being gas with the whole time and also toads evil. Yeah toad is the villain orchestrated. 'cause he was always like she's in another castle keep going broke and it's always like how do you get your towed. How'd you get into this castle before me in. Its because what happened is towed would go and tell peach mario's on his way better go and then would get there until it'd be like oh they went somewhere else also will ever explain why bowser has so much real escape like thousands got like fifty two castles or something. He's wealthy okay. And then a there'll be a scene with Bazzars kids talking. And then i'll ask thousand junior like what are you junior. And then we'll reveal. It's like austin powers were. he's actually a clone. He's like many that works. I always loved the relationship between scott evil and a mini me the actual child and the clones child okay. I think we have a movie that will most definitely Get a sued gets seen. This is this is cats. Butthole edit every we'll watch it some people will like it and they'll be so many comments about this movie like did we need this message. To be said was this movie needed it. S no joy. Also no please stop it again. Yes i'm watching this. I do love watching the room. I feel like it will be similar to the original. Reo movie it'll be like to go to check on. Robert deniro the cd's okay. I sometimes with certain actors when you see like in a movie. Check up on them. Like the seventy to make sure they're okay all right. Oh we have entitled this So it's a mockumentary true crime so it's got to have a colon and so the first part is going to be one up. Colon live stolen one up light. Stolen colon lies stolen. Do we need mushroom kingdom in there somewhere. I mean maybe it could have a subtitle to crimes the mushroom kingdom. There we go every crime. Needs the words true crime in it. And how sheikh the cam have blurred footage a so we will be going full found footage from other perspectives for every time. That mario's like doing mario stuff like a kupa of free. Now as mario's chasing him always should breathing fire and smashing bricks and snorting the line of star cocaine. Because of the drugs. Mario was taken or or drugs. All of it and we get to find out what goumas are so the crazy thing is google has never really there. That was all in mario's head. He saw the buds because the coupe is a real. Because the coupon basically look like what is right so those are people kind of thing but the gumboots hallucination all right are we ready to move on to your next set of words. Well here's my thing. Wonder we feel it on time. How much time has elapsed Wow we've gone like forty minutes on this so the question is do we each wanna do or do together. Let's do together so let's each put in five words and then use to pool. We do five or three six. I did five put a five or whatever it okay. i'm sorry care will. there's a lot of intensity. okay okay. Data that took a turn. I do you want to read the words i gave you. Then i'll read the words you gave me. Yes so title grandfather sector worm. Captivate sounds like some new generation. Poke amman i you gave me. It'll object beer. Right and octopus octopuses the best word. I'll say this is the best word. Object is the worst. Yeah we'll get rid of object will keep octopus. I like riot as well. I'm good with beer. Beer right octopus solid needle and we get rid of two of yours title. 'cause like titles bad and i well i i really like grandfather in worm between the other two well. We don't need to use three from mine necessarily used to three from each what we can use worm. I'm going to go sector sectors. We got grandfather sector worm and beer right octopus. I think this movie grossing movie by the asylum. We've got a grandfather word versus a riot octopus. Like like as we reading the things. I almost felt like spin the wheel genre. I will spend the genre wheel. But he caught caught we got crime heist. So i'm gonna say buddy coming so this is without a doubt so we're making zootopia basically but cooler so we got an old grizzled worm. What kind of wermer we doing is there. Anyone that lives under the ocean. Yes there are. Worms live under the ocean. I'm trying to remember the names of them. They're truly horrifying creatures. One of five awesome occasionally terrifying marine worms. let's see bobbit worms finally cutest. I think in union possible. Ask find the cutest underwater worm. Well so far. It's actually the christmas tree worm. Oh my god. The christmas tree were this. Is our clown fish. You know what. I'm willing to say the christmas tree worm. Oh it's both you know what looks it. Looks both pretty and horrifying so. That's good news. Isn't that one. animal underwater. Like straight up goes other animals bugs. I think it's like some weird worm. Eel the straight up things guts. Yeah i'm not. I'm not sure aren't you gonna google that go nuts. He'll i'm not going to google worms that go up your but don't put words just goes straight up. Okay so we're thinking heist buddy cop kind of feel movie and it will take place underwater and everything. Animated genre of animation like stop motion. Cgi or like drawn. Let's go back in time and do claymation. No i do like stop. Motion kind of like claymation. Santa's mr fox shirt. Why not do it. Stop motion this is already a mess. Let's let's just roll with it. There's nothing hard about doing. A stop motion as opposed to look underwater. I'm sure it won't be a challenge at all. Okay well. here's the thing. Do we stick with stop motion Dot motionless one of those things. Where it's done well. It looks great otherwise it looks terrible yet. No let's go with cgi so the studio will actually approve it like pixar. Yeah okay so. I'm thinking grandfather were is clearly the the less renegade one. Oh yeah he's like by. The books falls things to be. And here's the thing of a christmas tree worms. They usually stay in one spot. And so two factor in sector. He's being transferred. Ooh he's been moved from one one branch to another hoof and he's being sent away. 'cause no one likes him not because he's bad because no one likes him. We're going to directly. Take this from hot fuzz. Not that he's too good at his job but at least that nobody likes him why he should be decent at his job but like. No one likes a stickler for the rules. And so there's gonna be like a scene at the beginning. Where because he's a word he doesn't have hands right and so he's moving out of his office in. He like he clearly needs help. But everyone's just pretending they don't see him and he's just like bumping things over dropping his stuff and it's really sad and depressing and so then it shows him getting to the new precinct and he's still having a hard time carrying his stuff. And you know it's really good at helping you pick things up a knock to push and octopus so our second marine police officer incomes and it's an octopus and we we kind of know what is attitude is his to describing words beer riot. I didn't think of beer right as a character description. No what. I thought of was a major plot. Point is always a big crimewave. They have to deal with right. And it's good be that there's a beer spill in the ocean and its causes all the fish to go on a riot. I had the exact same idea to like when you said something happens. All mandates spill into the ocean they spill beer into the ocean or it's It could be you know how they like. Die the river green at saint patrick's day or something. Yeah it's something like that kind of thing to earth like or like some shipment of beer you got like a dislodged. It made a bunch of fish riot or was the beer being spilled plan by some other fish for cover to do their iced will. Yeah that's that's exactly what i was thinking. Maybe it wasn't planned by the fish but they're using the fact there's right as a cover to pull off their big crime and they're the big battle the movie so in the chaos of this new precinct. We've got this old christmas tree fish. Whose by the books we've got the plays by his own rules octopus. Who's his new partner and trying to deal with the fact that there's this beer right as well as stop a major. Heist show's awesome. What's the grandfather part. Because it the grandpa is not describing. The worm is the is the person doing the heist related to one of the people. Oh shit i like it. So it's either the grandchild of the worm or the grandfather of the octopus would make sense for them to be in charge advice. Yeah yeah let's go with the grandfather of the octopus and it's one of the reasons why no one really trusts the octopus police officers. Because everyone knows that he's related to organized crime so everyone assumes that he's like dirty and kinda why they partner. I'm up with the word. Because they know that the worm will either catch him for being bad or the worm will die in their rid of the christmas tree worm. Okay okay so the first part of the movie is learning about the two people and then having trouble working together right there to styles clashing yet then we move into the beer spill happens and we get the beginnings of the chaos on the streets. We have the big precinct. Briefing talked about how there's a lot of people go nuts causing riots And you know they've got to go and try and restore the order During this when one of yeah during this when one of them discovers the clue that leads them to believe. There's a major about to go down. But no one of the precinct will listen to them because they're just dealing with the whole beer situation and like no one really no entrusts octopus in no one respects worm so they both have their things that hinder them from getting things across communication lines. So is there gonna be a scene where it's going to look like octopus. Police officers gonna betray worm. Because he's like his graham has telling him to. Oh yeah hundred percent and then you get the whole like psych. I was on your side the whole time. Yeah and the worms. Like i never doubted you. And it's like dude. You're crying saint. Please don't killing you. Clearly incident they get to the point where they have to try to like. Beat the boss kind of thing and i think at the very end of the movie. Were jumping the boat the wicket. We'll get back a little bit. But we find out that the beer was spilled on purpose by someone and it was like an auditor who was doing his own heist and he did get away or like some kind of dolphin are sequel hook. Yeah is that some other animal dade plan the beer spill in. They got away with something. They got away with a thing of eggs or something. This sounds like assaulted buddy cop movie and it's like that thing where it's for kids that the parents can watch and enjoy or are we making this full like actually just results. It's a cartoon like sausage party casting. Okay i hate the example you used. I like the idea of the only other. Could think of the beam which is that weird animation align everything. he can't think of any adult animated At the moment babies celts different. One that's meant to like emulate children's programming. My first thought is always happy friends. Okay okay. that's that's terrible but yes we go. We can't maybe there hasn't been any really good. Adult animated cartoons. So yeah. i like that idea because then we're going to get controversy around our movie. And the controversies is gonna market the movie for us. 'cause someone excellent takes her kid to it like karen. Didn't you see the movie with right at our poster. Okay used up. Just like the marketing for deadpool. Pretty much In the during the oscars the i forget the guy's name but he plays glenn from walking dead knows name like steven you or something stephen. Yeah so he said he was giving a funny anecdote about when he was younger. His mom took him to see terminator two but she didn't realise Terminator two wasn't for kids and so he's at the whole time. He was watching us looking at his mom like seeing if she realized she was trying to play it. Cool 'cause you want him to know she brought into a movie. Not for kids. So i i. It's got a bit of a feel like finding nemo where it's like fish doing stuff but also your that really bad be called shark tale. Yeah i remember shark tale that we're gonna make short-tailed but good. Are we going to make it good. I think the jury's out on that one shirttail sequel. oh no place. In the same world you know who else was in shark tale co op. Ed someone check on them. Robert deniro was in shark tale. Alka we can get robert deniro in this to get robert de niro in anything man. That's what we're realizing that robert deniro like. Robert deniro is not a hard to book actor. And i don't think he ever was. I think it's just that he's happened to be in some good things. Been in some great roles and he's not a bad actor. He's just thought an unavailable actor in a lot in eventually hit gold. Sometimes in your interlock. I think he's hit rate is higher than nicolas cage's so that means that he's more seen as a respected actor then as a meme. I'm more saying whoa in the sense of what are these hits that you're talking about with nicholas cage really dan now to we're nicholas cage is like actually a good imbalance actor. I can't do that girl can i. Can i give you a controversial take. National treasure okay. Yes national treasure. But also like the movie sucked. But i thought he was a pretty good ghostwriters writer. Yeah i thought so too. He just that the movie he was in were bad. He wasn't what may ghost not work. Shit terrible cinematography and really bad pacing is. What makes you may ghost rider network. He was good in it. He was good in it. Yeah i i do think that when nicholas cage gets the roles at work with his range he is good. It's sometimes he doesn't know how to tone down he's always at nine eleven like in face off yet so you've just gotta give him roles that work at eleven okay so what is the title for this octopus newbies Title this have a marine punto. It okay shark tale two bottoms up shark tale to your kelly. This shark tale sequel. Would it has no sharks. And no returning characters ye. Yeah yeah but it's the same world. Here's the thing we have to have be a shark deal thing. Otherwise everyone's going to say okay. Mcmahon is movies like shark tale so five people that remember shark tale enough to say that sure. Would you know what the five people that remember. Shirttail are definitely watching it logs. Okay so that's that's our movie We're sorry we we just right now. Put our disclaimer. That not all back pocket pitches are created equally. Sometimes you get masterpieces other times. You get a way of the battery. Some mushroom kingdom true crime and shirttail too. So i had fun here. But i i will say as for hits for actual quality movies this is are we struck out today like not one of these is one that i would go see. We have made other movie. Pitches like yeah. I would see this movie best buds. I always go back to best buds. Best would watch ten. Atta ted shark tale. Two is coming out in twenty. Twenty one wait. I'm sorry what shark tale tube is coming out in tuning decided. Is robert deniro. Coming back no. This can't be real right. The there's a new do well. It didn't even like actually like no. This can't be real. This can't be real. 'cause i search it up and it's about someone falling in love with osama junior who is osama bin laden's son would no i think i think we've we've noticed can be real though. There's there's a bunch of fake. Imdb entries that people put in like. Here's one an evil c. Which named grew sela has plans attorney. Everyone says brief into stone statues so apparently there is a memo online about shark tale to that we did not know about and we have accidentally played into. We will capitalize on. This is a marketing scheme. Now in our casting. We need the equivalent to ziggy marley. Being in the first shark tale so we need like a dead musicians child we could take one jaeger's kids sold and i know what you're like. What may not that. He'll be even question. I know big. Jagger's dave over like yeah he'll be gone at any day now. We're banking on that. It's like we. We go to one of his kids. And we're like we need to be in a movie because we need to do in a lodge to having a actor or actress. Susan the child of actor musician. My dad's alive. Yeah but for how long the movies not coming out for another year. Do you think he's gonna live the queen or not probably not. I don't know well there's always the whole thing about how i can't think of the other guy for own stones one. It looks like a troll from tenth kingdom. I can't think of his name. Why aren't you helping me. i can't remember either. Assist me suspect. please please help. All i have is google on standby richards shirts. Oh my god the what the fucking okay. Yeah yeah well keith. Richards the inspiration. For captain jack sparrow the inspiration for the death of johnny depp's career. Richards steven tyler. Now keith richards keith. Richards will never die because he's like preserved from aldehydes from well. I'm pretty sure the way that mick jagger's gonna die. Is betty white to smother him with a pillow. Saying there can be only one and then exorb- lifeforce highlander. Can we make that movie stars really. Old people currently still kicking around the surprise winner. Sir patrick stewart and it's really risky movie because one of them will probably die. Authority comes out until it. It'll be released distasteful the movie where it's like you made a movie with a bunch of sixty plus actors and actresses in it. Now we gotta go more than sixty seventy five plus who the villain is going to be right sharing elizabeth the second. I mean when you have that much power and you're one of the competitors highlander then like you an unfair advantage and the woman. Unfair advantage is the villain who ends up killing her. I still say patrick stewart. Okay but i don't think so. Patrick stewart should win ancient. Seem like sir patrick stewards gonna win. And then it's like no one expects share and share comes out of nowhere. Do you believe an just kills him. Yeah this is a great movie. So many random words are best. One wasn't one of the back fucking best. Pitch is a old actor. An actress slash celebrity highlander. And how violent is it. I think real violent incredibly violent. I want it to break the record for most fake blood using a single scene. Yeah which by the way. I know the last two holders were because that's the type of useless trivia have the current record holder is the remake of the evil dead. The finale scene broke the record. The previous record was ivory. It's got two names. I know it as dead alive. Peter jackson zombie movie. I'm surprised descent. The descendant because the descent has that scene words. This huge of blood that the person swims through the thing is they probably didn't use that much. Fake blood void the top and has shallow whereas in these two ones that i referenced. They had just sprinklers nonstop. Spring fake blood wasn't like eared. Weird record what a weird record to go for. I know and part of me. Thinks is peter jackson you to try and get it back now and do something and yes. He's going to try. And get it back by directing this movie about the old celebrity highlander. There's going to be a scene. Where one of them is doing their routine staying young and swimming to a bath. Baby blood come out and it's like that's going to be one of the scenes until everyone thinks that's when he broke the record and then he breaks it again later. Oh double record break. Is there a group of really old people that all fit into one thing happens. The golden girls are still kicking around doodling. Does you think today that you would be good are still alive. How many of the golden girls are still alive. Okay i'm just gonna so obviously betty white still around okay. Be arthur is dead already done with all or nothing room. Mclennan is also dead so we can. Can we start. this is also dead. What he's the only goal. The girl left we start with a flashback and we. Cgi young betty white killing the rest of the golden girls. And that's the very first scene in the movie. Is it shows all the golden girls having fun and in betty white appears behind on them with a knife slits the throat throws kills another and then killed the other one okay rate and what a hero. It's even better yes. I'm sorry this is a little bit disrespectful to the actresses but each of the other golden girls died one year apart. So it'll be similar to the beginning of deadpool. Two when they're playing music showing deadpool going kill all of the different crime bosses and stuff hail show betty white and it'll be a song related to birthdays or something or like a new year. It could even be someone singing happy birthday but like in a copy. Do cover of happy birthday. That's really intense. And it shows betty white killing each one of them and then it will show her looking straight at the camera to the audience. There can only be one and then that's when the movie starts in jumps to today. Oh this movie sounds amazing. This sounds like this is the end but better in with a bunch of really famous people like you think. It's at all disrespectful implying. That betty white killed the other three to stay young. I don't think i need to answer that because clearly. Yes do we care we care. Not i think. Betty white's really good sport right. I think she'd be done with it like sure. Maybe the families of the other people might find it distasteful but that's called cinema baby. Is there a scene where two people who have a lot of who has the most oscars right now or something like like meryl streep in someone else are fighting with oscars that would be pretty good. Seen most oscars one by one actor googling it. I'm google weird shit for this episode. Okay as we're body count on the golden disney okay acting katherine hepburn has won four times. I think meryl streep has been nominated the most probably she's tied with barbara streisand. Oh my god apartment on meryl streep fight katherine hepburn barbara. Solve their own tied. We'll have those two fighting. Yeah there's still alive announced cares. And then the most for man daniel day-lewis oh man. Okay this where he says. I drink your milkshake visas. I drink your brain and takes a strong shots into someone's head. It's lurks their brain. Now okay this. This is the greatest movie of all time. Okay so the most oscars of living person is a visual effects. Artist named dennis muren. Who has won nine oscars bam too bad. We don't care about those people at meryl streep is the most oscar-nominated okay. So she'll have she'll be in the oscar fight to and she'll win it and say these also in mind and walkaway and then we have the daniel day lewis milkshake kill which will be pretty good and we have to have someone who is almost old like their old but they're younger than everyone else that's currently in the movie or something and there's a senior someone's coming to kill them battle-axe and they're like it's not my time it's not my time only this and they say That whatever that person is is basically eighty in hollywood and then kills them with the axe. This amazing well there. You go folks. We made one good movie and it was nuts off of the random. Were prompts. we also. It's the movie that will if it got made by someone who does to them but it's quite the tall tall tale to make and like you've got to do it soon times ticket. Well no as much as we say. Betty white will never die. Does everybody dies. She's almost she's she'll be one hundred years old next year like wait. She was born in one thousand nine hundred twenty two you who also really old william shatter. He's really old too. And you know people would love this movie. Oh yeah i'd love this movie. It's a stupid concept. But i love it. There'd be so many like referential jokes like pop culture in hollywood there'd be great fight scenes great actors and actresses that you're seeing a musicians. Is there a senior young musk's begging him for him to be part of it and it just like no. We don't want you won. You're not old to and they don't say to and he's like what's to like if you have to ask he on come on and we all know that it's it's that he's not really a celebrity. He just really wants it so bad so bad. All right did you hear. He's hosting snl a lot. Some castes aren't happy all right. Well i think it's time to wrap this up hope you everyone enjoyed listening to this one with our. We almost struck out there than we saved at the end. did you. yes we did. You can join us next week when we'll be finishing off are running series. On the fast and furious franchise we are watching the fourth film and reviewing it. And if you're like aren't there like thirteen of these things no clearly. Have it watched them. It really thirteen. You haven't watched one through four. We're not continuing after this. Even if four is amazing which a highly doubt given the track record uniform the best ones oh far it will not save me from the pits of despair. That entered watching tokyo drift. A forward look into one week from today man. Best movie ever right. That's the thing everyone told me. And i'm still seeing a lot of opinions online. That tokyo drift is the best one. So i do not hold out any high hopes. I got no hopes. We'll get through this. Check it out the links below. We'll see all next week. Nothing better than the shame ending.

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After The Show 600: Anna Podcast

After The Show Movie Podcast

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After The Show 600: Anna Podcast

"You're listening to the after the show maybe podcasts from Ascoli. Dot Com confined this podcast on the I choose music stokes suge playing youtube voice assistance just say listen to after the show maybe focused and you can also find ace corey dot com where we post written reviews kc the way area hosts. Hey scully unsettle six talk to me or to your to your podcast to our pocket right as your well. It is because you are a fully really. I'm just along for the after the show movie podcast is called a skull fucking zapped to agree to disagree so we've done six hundred shows. How many weeks is that. Did you do the math before this moment not use. You're supposed to dwarf that's up. Your Edwina shows is six hundred weeks. Do WanNa wait no. We've done occasion yeah just under six hundred weeks. We've skipped a few for holidays and whatnot we have before the discussion. Was Me giving you shit because you did absolutely really really didn't make a plan for success at the beginning of this podcast. They might be something I did so now you're just going to you can start now planning for one thousand. Do you think that's enough time. I should do something for seven hundred edit together a Lotta podcasts. No that's boring. This was the discussion. Your ideas were boring. You sit my ideas. Were boring so nothing was born of it. We could record we could have on on seven hundred guest people send in questions and then we unseen boring we could have like we talk about our favorite movies of all time something this off review in in a weekly movie true but we do do that throughout our podcasts. I think people would probably be able to know by now what our favorites are. GonNa Talk. Talk about our most amusing movie experiences amusing movie experiences like what you go to the cinema and it's weird like we did last week. When I talked about Helen Hunt The game you did we did offer. You cannot finey as they are miserable the people bill we could tell jokes for an hour. I'm not very funny. I could tell jokes right now. We could do a stunned routine. We both writes it and say no. Thank thank you we could. We could just get on with this one because I'm sure people really WanNa know about Anna. We could talk about gardening for an hour. You wouldn't like like that and neither would the people listening to this. I can definitely talk about seeds and gardening for an hour no problem we go. We've got so we'll we could do a garden in focused. We can talk about see that. I- owning listener gardening pod yes true so happy six hundred fun anniversary after the show sakes hundred shows we adly. We must have started this week. The giant bomb cast which is another podcast listen to have of the six hundred show last week. Actually on the card cost another video game podcast two weeks ago had thus six hundred show so we had that we all start at the same time time. was that the beginning of this. I think it's really standard and almost kind of like Oh. We just jumped on the bandwagon. Didn't we was that the beginning of podcasting possibly six when take my when people when people start think we were on it early right like there. There wasn't tons of podcast when we started doing I don't know about that. I mean now just it just ordinary. I mean this podcast everywhere right this focus on every I think there was at the time as well for those are the two that I listened to hours of the same number roughly really all anything that's weird at all. I think you got the idea because other people were doing it and then we did it kind of makes total sense yeah so this is the weekend of Saturday September the record. It's about eleven years six hundred weeks it is so this is the weekend of Saturday as September the twenty first. This is after the show numbers sakes. Oh we look at a movie every week and this week's movie is Ana Twenty Nine thousand nine movie. We got us a little early for review from Lionsgate's rated R. You'll be able to pick it up on September the twenty fourth on Four K. Blu Ray. It will be on digital already. It'll be on digital now. If you go to do our whereof so it's give us the synopsis of honor and then I will give you the synopsis of the Box a woman agent for the KGB is also a model okay okay and I'm trying to give it as little possible personality because you are going to read. There's which will probably hype it up. The official beneath striking beauty lies a secret that will only show indelible strengthened skill to become one of the world's most fit government assassins an electrifying throw ride on folding with repulsive energy startling twists and breathtaking action honor introduces Sasha Los in the title role but a star studded cast include an Academy Award Winner Helen Meme Killian Murphy and Luke Evans Saturday slot more exciting yeah. It was very descriptive anyway. I want to say this is from director. Luke Basan who I am a big fan of you are and I after you know we talked last week Valerian which was his last movie which the trailer promises so much and it looked so awesome but then when you watch a falls a little bit flat. Do you agree I agree but it was still jill fun for very don't remember what happened like you said. I don't remember the story at all. I remember the visuals and when I see the trailer I'm like Oh yeah. I remember that I remember that bit but don't remember overall was going on so I think I think it was like well. Luke did the fifth element is one of my favorite movies. This look something like the fifth element is by doing I fight and it didn't quite hit so that's kind of disappointed with it so so ANA is first movie was Lytham Nikita which I'm big fan of. You have not seen you tell me. I don't believe so so very good spin redone. I mean this is almost a Redo of it again. Someone I'm not a huge fan of its rigid fund yeah yeah in front of a really anyway alanah because lozanes been kind of not. Leon and it's made some amazing movies over the time I wasn't expecting much from honor but then when it ended I actually really enjoyed. Did it and it's not perfect. Obviously you can vouch for meal. Yeah absolutely bought. I was thinking there was a film we watched is a similar type of movie called Red Sparrow with Jennifer Lawrence. We watch that last year and I you think this is way more on that. It doesn't take itself seriously. It's a bit more. This is more of an action movie than trying to to be one of them. This is just straight up like is this female assassin and but isn't it also a lot like atomic blonde around and saw it is. I was thinking that when I was watching it's like salt. An atomic blonde had a baby ed assistants baby on the baby because it you know even use atomic blondes musical thing where he plays this woman sitting the same time I period is atomic blonde so this one even play some plays tonight by inaccessible the big montage of action which is cool. I like there is some cool Lupus Assan stuff in here. I think she's really cool. I can see people would she's a lawsuit plays the main character she is not been and she's not acted before she was in Valerian as a side think she's not mate. She's the main person in this and she's up against some big actors right now. The Abbey to and I think she convincingly was was good. I liked her in the action. Chimpanzees and I like to you know she was you know I don't want to give too much away. This has this movie has lots of twists and turns which I enjoyed. Did you enjoy them. Did you see the coming couple of it coming in. I wasn't necessarily surprised because I wasn't that not that. I didn't like it. I like didn't like her her. I wanted to know what was going to how it's all going to end up but it wasn't so invested that I was like oh no or Oh yes well. It's almost like these kind of movies is like espionage spies assassins. We've seen lots of them. You've all seen lots of them probably watch movies and how these movies work. That's like a framework that they all use. You know there's a double cross is an assassination. There's a tale that all kind of operate in the same boundary and each directors like say it's atomic blonde whatever they bring something extra to it like atomic blonde. I thought brought like really realistic fighting and musical element you know it made it now now. That is a musical book. There's music that I'm so the action so this one does all those things but what I think Luke Basan has and it was one thing that kept striking me and watching the movie was he never like goes full Hollywood with these movies like he could to try and get like American audiences is to watch the whole thing's some could save. Valerian is definitely could Hollywood but he's always feel European. This one feels even though it's got aw you know Hollywood actors well actually not they're all English actors aren't they. Mostly Hollywood actors people you've seen in big movies such as Jala Merriam. It still feels like to me like it's like a French movie a bit the style of it. He doesn't make everybody he does make so speaking phony Russian accents and stuff but then he will have subtitles for a lot of time on different people speak in their own native language which Hollywood movies tend not to do so. I think we Basan films feel. They do feel more. European and I do think he keeps to that and it makes his phones feel different. This doesn't feel like atomic blonde to me. Tommy belonged is true. It's not as powerful as atomic. No one told me a bit more flashy than this like the cinematography and atomic traumatic blunt the neon lights and there's a lot of very thought out stuff. This is kind of ugly like this. You know there's some I'm really luxurious locations in this movie but also like it looks like they're just studying some shitty warehouse. Although a lot of time it's not actually as pretty as but and not that that brings like a realism or anything because this still is very very comic. bookie right is very like you know. She's kind of superhuman human almost even though she's not right. She says I'm saying it's not she hasn't had the convincing factor that I had for atomic blonde or even salt or Red Sparrow riles called Red Sparrow because there was I was convinced by seeing the training by seeing the torture by understanding being at least early on conceal their training but you understood these are angry powerful physically powerful really angry women and that brings a lot. This young lady wasn't as angry as she was just sort of beaten down in after up. nope yeah beaten down live with jerk kind of a junkie sad story of her life but she wasn't like bring it on world whereas those other characters are often dislike you can see they've got like a steel rod for a backbone. She's more like you're not sure and I mean it's not really our size or it's kind of her demeanor demeanor and also they didn't fill us in enough the kind of hint at her backstory boom. We see what happened to the parents boom. We see how she gets recruited and now we're in it and you don't you'd never really covers yeah and the way he does some action like the first part with the boyfriend. It's all pretty It's not very substantial. The car racing they're char- taste was but I mean it's almost like playacting. They hadn't really got their footing. I wasn't convinced that she was really wanting out of that life or anything so it didn't lay down the framework for me to go here we go. She is going to kick excel ass. You Know Yeah No. There's some very good action sequences in this movie very lupus on action sequences. You know there are a bit over the top there a bit cartoonish tune ish the body's. Kinda like this is like female Joma incas well isn't she shoots people point in the head. He stops people. She's pretty vicious but she's very focused of what she's doing. Also you know when a said this is like salt an atomic blunt how to baby well that would be like a three way what pulp fiction gun it's let alone got slow thing in there as well because he uses the frame in element pulp fiction on many of the movies but I always think of it from both fiction where you see a whole scene play out and you take it for what it is and then it will go five days earlier and you'll see in love with that. You'll see the lead up to that scene with all the details you have missed inserted inserted than the scene plays out and you'll. I owe it means a different thing though because I know what she's doing right but also got confusing at times you had to really you think about what will the last time we were three months ahead and now we're back in the present and now they're like three days earlier and then there are two months surly or so. I'm trying to keep up with when this happened. Include you in pretty well but it could. I can see how that would really annoy people yeah well. I enjoy that kind of narrative element is because of that because when you've given a little bit of extra information and then you see the scene play out again the same means a different thing which I find interesting poll fictions the ideal thing a lot of stuff in that movie like once you clued food in the second time to see the scene again you like Oh. That's why that person's doing that and that's why that person seems a bit nervous or you know. this happens in this movie be quite a bit but then you don't really cotton onto that the behavioral part for a few scenes and then you. Kinda go oh okay now I get it. She was kind of weirded out and then Blah probably okay okay kind of starts to piece together as he goes on in a super elegant way to me right right columns -I the other movie. I didn't speak about earlier when I was talking like I was a bit disappointed with the Larry. Lucy was the one he didn't Lucie that one yeah which also had an amazing trailer Lucy and then you watched it and you will light. It didn't live up to what it promised is. Next movie is Lucie too so I don't know Scott gets the ladies done. These got scarlet. He's got Charlene as he's got Helen. He's got married to her but still I got married to her. After we city in in any of his movies Shirley their own aw she's dominic blonde isn't you this. Isn't that wasn't lube. Assum- Oh you're right. You're right. You're right no yeah he does like the ladies over you post very good looking ladies and he's titles Jane Fonda as well right in back in the day so he's always been into that female empowered characters right teams like or is it. Is it female in Poker twos or is it like sexual also. What's her face pad may yes. She was a child in that once she so but also making her more grownup right. You know so I really. It was a lot of fun this movie. I had way more fun than Adra Red Sparrow it. It's obviously not perfect and I kept thinking as I was watching it. So of these scenes are actually bad. There's some really bad dialogue being delivered on some of these henchmen light look like the like the Laurel and hardy in light. The being hit with the frying pan is only like you know in the background like yeah. There's a lot of that but then again John Wick a two year if you look in the background of people but I think she pulled off the action sequences well. I really loved the action sequence way. She's in the Russian I'm busy place KGB place and she's fighting going down the stairs and everything that was really cool. It was that reminded me above told me when she was going trying to escape with the allstate guy going down the says yeah. You have to remember to this. KGB Russian as the enemy is going to be totally not hitting home with anyone. That's that's younger than say. I don't know thirty because in our early lifetime they were the FO right they were sold to the world and to us as the big bad and me and they were enemies in so many movies and just in general like the Russians will blow us up and they've got atomic weapons you you know I mean it was woven into our brains as a young kid people now who are twenty years old twenty five years old. That won't the Russian thing thing. It's almost going to be cartoony to them like really we're depicting them in one thousand nine hundred ninety as if they're living in the fifties almost is that that's just this weird but feel to us. That's like yeah. That's how they lived. You know we have no idea you know the time period that this is saying there's a lot of people people on cellphones and the USB drives and his laptop since two. I kept getting the feeling the taken a few liberties. Some of this stuff was around when you know what I mean like a USB drive for instance she pulls a USB drive out of Lebron's alike where it was pretty big USB drive but when the hell did USB and come about that was the thing I was thinking but then again that's nitpicky but I don't think USB came about until like nineteen nineties. He's late nineteen ninety s be technology began development in nineteen ninety four invented by a job but so when was this when when was the ninety and things like that where I was like. Oh this is a little bit of time but then again we are talking about. CIA and KGB well that's where I was was like when Helen Mirren opened a laptop and it was really thick it was IBM part because I'm a nerd. I recognize hardware. I it was like Israel. Thick big laptop was like oh well even if average people didn't have that the KGB would probably have right right all the CIA eh at that point so but I did feel there was times where I was like. Technology doesn't quite much. Some people have a big bulky cell phone. Some people have a very thin cell phone. I I was like very thin. Cell phone don't think so it was non right now so there was a bit of that going on be one was released in nineteen ninety six. I thought so which this movie actually she is not some special things she pulls out she just pulls a USB stick out and I was like USB come known really but we have to take the leap and go well the KGB they devote they developed. He just looked like that some other data transfer her device K G K. SP KFC KFC has so also the front cover of this movie is trying to make a look like hit my agent forty seven a woman that it yeah you know holding the guns light up yeah with the silences on Bass hitting undercover of every hitman. Oh yeah so I think nothing trying to do. It's a bit much so I I really lean joy. It really did a lot of good time. It doesn't make it good but I did have a good time. No it's slight. Lupus ONA's like either. It's really really good. Let's take like Leon is really good. All what else the fifth element is really good Ol. It's late solely. Besson Valeria is still good or honor is still good but it's it's like hanging onto to the side of a building with fingertips can good come on Luke Luke again. Our sensibilities is changing and also I think he makes movies for himself and he's probably the most classy guy in the whole world and so his standards of things are just different we just got lucky and I fell in love with the fulfillment like the studio. I think the first I see what I ever even saw a yeah yeah so Leon makes me cry at the end every time not that there's not spoiling anything but you know the same. Weston yet stink plays. The shape of my up yet always makes me well up as who I don't know why but there's something about those early some of these. I I didn't know until today research in a beverly Basan the he's actually the writer of the taken series of films yeah he didn't direct them but you wrote them and also the transporter series of films. He'll also wrote those and yes. They're very similar movies the style of his thing you likes action obviously fine. You GotTa have a thing I mean Steven. Spielberg doesn't have a thing but then he does all right Lupus on also directed this series of French movies called taxi of you heard of those the French version of tax. Oh Yeah you know the taxi movie we August yes well. That was a American remake of Luc taxi. That's unfortunate made five taxi movies. It was really really successful. The action cow chase movies is what they are and that very French. You know what I'm saying. American audiences probably wouldn't go for them but he also has that series of movies that he's very famous for over there anyway so so we on the same page with this movie we both like liked it and again on cable or something. I watch it again. It's one of those where I had a good time. I like her a lot. Yes there are moments when I can't tell if she's he's just being like the down trodden Russian young ladies at a Shitty life or she's struggling to figure out how to be a character because she's not been in the movies and stuff and so but I liked her. I'd I'd watch her again so talking about social loss. She's she's actually supermodel. She just young lady supermodels these days. I'm not sure anymore what that means to me a supermodel someone that everyone knows does not well. I'm not in the fashion world so if I know your name you are a supermodel. If inside the fashion world they know your name then your financial Susheela Louis before no. That's what I'm saying. She's she's been on. She holds the record for being on the front cover of the most right. I don't read magazine because we don't care about fashion. That's what I'm saying thing but if she would transcend that because back in the day I didn't was into fashion when Cindy Crawford was famous either that makes her to me supermodel because on my goal you just showed up nope. I'm not in your world and I still know who you are. Did we mention she gets to where so many outfits in this move forty eight heavy like seeing a lady in different outfits. This is the movie. She's in love. She might be sexy outfit. She might be like talk about 'cause play gold. Yeah Oh yeah there's lots also looks talk about action. Figure line you could bring out fifty two different versions of a forty eight not fifty two like a he said forty eight the guy who designed the costume said we had forty going from like a super model look to like she was dressed as a queen like a French. Queen at one point right well Marie Antoinette because because in this movie she is also. She's actually model a model yeah fashion model. She's a fashion model and a secret agent true. This is a concept I imagine popped into his head and it was like oh I make a hot sexy supermodel into a double agent so yes socialist plays she's been accusation Valerian but it wasn't a speaking but from what I could to tell and she is the lead of this movie and I think she did. She didn't seem to me like somebody is not acted and the action was find right. There's some really good actions not great stunt work going on with her and the others but you know I can use get past pass that if it keeps up enough interest for the two or three minutes that they're fighting yeah. I'm there's like League Basan set in the extras. This isn't like second movie full of action. There's only really few action scenes but it does feel like there's a lot of action when you're watching it right but is there is a long is a building to action and then just bits of like action but yeah it's pretty violent too in the same veins. John Wick lots of shooting people very close up and sticking knives in them and stuff like that so a Helen Mirren plays all go what you think of Helen. Helen seemed to me quite care kitchen. chin-shih seemed like she was having a load of fun. Yes like it's like a it's her usual character. She's playing Kinda Bit Brash in a bit you know. She says she smokes wishy. Tell tell the most she's delay from. KGB like a works for yeah at trainer. Oh handler yeah she's and she has limited the convey. P- you know the standard Russian accent the whole thing out on the wheel. I think that if we were rushing would be like what is that. Why can't you just have a Russian lady. Do it never I like telomere. My thought she brought something to it. I was quite is there's quite fun to watch her because it is Kinda tongue-in-cheek cooker. It's really like wait a minute. They guy have to be Russian. She didn't have to eat cheese Russian but you could also make up things. They don't have to put on those weird accents and say you know well. Why you have a British accent well. I was sent off as a child. I was ooh I've always been trained as an agent and they sent me to England so that I would learn that language so I could blend in better out in the world. You know what I mean but they don't ever tried it. They just say yeah yeah do the accent even if it's really weird about phony. Russian I like stereotype bucks in. Isn't it yeah we all do it. Yeah Luke Evans use a Welshman schmancy also plays a roofing. He also have been the same thing like well. He was raised in Wales because we wanted to. We want our agents to all have different experiences into so when we send her out in the world. They're not just Russian people. I quite liked Luke Evans in this offense. I think he was pretty good. I thought it was very effective like kind of boring age yeah. I'll get into relationship with her. It's just interesting like his position as a relationship fed ex a couple more than me yeah. I was just hinting around of it but I'm what I'm saying is it was the the position he was in was. Kinda tall like he's kind of on the edge of Ado. It might loyal to my country era my loyal to my person yeah. Killian Murphy plays American in this terrible again again again is is is American not very good ever. I don't think sounds really phony. It doesn't because America we all have just so Yeah Kilian Murphy. I liked him too thought he brought into it and I liked him better than I like him a lot of other things. I'll give him that then finally okay. I want to say one of the worst. Things in this movie is she's called Lira Ab- over and she plays more. She's like a female romantic interest for honor aw and she is a really bad actress felt that too. I felt really bad thinking like if she trained really Nour's US she was there was scenes the the scene for instance where she is near the window. You know what I'm talking about comb and she's like yeah and she kept looking. It was like she didn't know where to look. I just looked it was unfortunate to scene where she was like kissing honor on the back of the neck instead of trying to get her in a sexy mood and it didn't feel right. It's all it just felt. It was no chemistry. It's all like it was exactly which is unfortunate yeah. She's a French actress but she she stood out to me as as like. Oh got some there was also a scene where she was sort of like ultra beautiful because they were focused right on her face as you're watching her you know she is beautiful and then that Koi coy flirty thing that she was doing was like such a turn off yeah like it was beneath her. It's another like in Tommy Blonde she we had a female relationship remember. I was like Oh. Is this as good yeah. She was really good that was Sophia but tell the lady from kick US CACUS kingsman the lady would no legs from kings yeah. She was really good in that but this was like a weak attempt to having that it seemed like I was like Oh and this woman that scene where she'd been told something and she had to react to it I was like what is she doing like. It's like like everybody. Nobody in. This movie is doing a pretty decent job. It's like amateur hour when in that scene when it was over she's like crying like a baby and I looked i. I wouldn't be Cryan. I'd be like what the hell was that also the heck just happened also like any seen that scene where ANA comes home and she's excited excited about the apartment. Yes and it's like really over. The top is is it that Luke Basan thinks there are pe- that this young a young beautiful model that that's his stereotypical way he thinks they will behave and then they wanna counter that with Anna who then is kind live cold to her and kind of like dead on the Cheema have been told to do it lie about yeah they might have said you know we want you to be the stereotypical like yeah very kind of felt and then she kind of ran with it just felt weak because there's a lot of good actors and then this a and I was like ooh I mean that's a bad thing to say but it is but it actually stood out is every time she was on the screen. I was like she's very beautiful. Oh and she's got shaved head and she looks you know she's very beautiful looking face of their magazine but anytime she says anything. I'm not buying anything. She's selling luggage. Just you know so this is directed by Mr Luke Basan. We mentioned is movies. The Fifth Element Leon Lucie Voltairian La- Family Akita which was his first one and this does borough of Mukisa which you've not seen if you went and watched it tonight. You'll be like oh some of the scenes at the same right so it wasn't. I don't think it was a coincidence incidents. I think he was like I would like to update that and make it like you know. Even though is among is it's in the eighties nineties yeah I'm. I'm not sure why he chose that time buried because you could make this movie today like in today's will to it didn't have to have that period to it onto why aw just because the Russians to be that kind of yeah. I think that yes for people like us. That seems to make sense if it was two thousand nineteen and you're doing that. I don't know if it would have the same right now. So extras on the focus that we sent there are a bunch dressing adult the costumes teams of Ana. That's why we know how many custom she has correct and that's to me of seen the restaurant fight which is showing her getting trained to do this. Crazy fight is also a nesting a Russian doll making Anna and constructing the cow chase lupus on as been on record in many times that he will never do a commentary on these blue race. He thinks the you should just watch the movie. You don't really need to know what he says right so you're never going to luke talking talking so there isn't any of that unfortunately books and listen to him talk. I love to listen to directors talk. Here's that's my thing I am. I've never really got the movie. You have his point like you. Don't need me to explain the good friends. I I agree with. Look so IMDB reviews you. Um told me what that is. You pick out one star reviews and then you read them with a funny accent accent of your own Russian accent. You are trying to make them sound. I don't know Fussy and wrong but sometimes when we don't like the movie either we're we're kind of like. Oh yeah they're right. I really liked this movie though so I'm not going to agree with these one. Stop People Z number number one. I walked out very bad acting. This girl is a noodle and g kills. Everyone it was the same thing I think he means thin. It was the same thing over and over the story was far from original and seriously the movie was predictable instable. They kept trying to do twist after twist it became annoying and so I didn't even bother to watch the end. It was so bad so this guy says it was absolute. Rubbish only good if you like looking good stabbing women so there. The guy says she's skinny laugh. Let her to speak. This guy says do not waste time all money. He says John Wick but with a tall blond you kind of act to a way out of a wet paper bag. Let's just rude. what else we got. This guy says has did you even go to school to learn how to make a movie. Luke Basang. He's he's made some successful movies already. He has a couple anyway he. This guy says this was total chaos. The plot seemed to be working off a ten year old child jumping in time. It's confusing. The film is superficial on the only bright spot is the performance of Kilian Murphy. It was so boring that I wanted to stop the movie forty one minutes in very specific. It's very specific. The movie lacks depth and we don't care about the courage by positive Yukon rights. Do you agree with any no definitely don't agree did Kilian. Murphy is the best thing in the movie all right. This guy says boring. I was excited to see this movie when I saw the trailer because it's led by a strong female character biker and finish it. It seems like every scene is the same. The lead actors are very bland. The time line is very messy and the fact that she is clearly into men but becomes a lesbian with a girl on Aram would keep the predators at obey line. It's a horrible line is said by the only other female character with Eugene Potent soon the movie. Don't waste your time on this movie when people people tell me what to do so. I'll waste my time. It's not a waste of your time. This guy finally says I know the pile of Dung from Luke Basang granted. Tade the Fifth Element was a nice effort and a movie worthy of cult status something which is worth more than the sum of his parts but Lucy is the worst movie of all times and Anna comes a close second. Nothing in this movie makes any sense this is yet another pathetic attempt for Lupus Basan to exercise a sex fetish removing making it's quite clear for anyone with a Basic Knowledge About Twentieth Century Cinema that this guy as made his life mission to make a woman fetish movie even greater than Barbarella sadly for him and was viewers is no Raja deem mm for the viewer. The only value that can be had is the involuntary comedy. I laughed out loud. Seventy five percent of this movie's running time why because was this movie is ridiculous. The only same reaction to is to evil laugh all to leave the only redeeming quality of this movie is Helen. Mirren is probably the best just living actress of all times. It's is absolutely a pleasure to see her perform even in a pile of crop that is a pathetic excuse for a film nice so that's the energy. I disagree with all of you. People were thank you. I think this is a phone action movie from Lubaton. It's not Warren piece is not trying to be some slick serious Oscar winning movie. It's an action movie the good one UH above average Jackson action movie I reckon I mean because we've seen lots of Badakshan movies too true so movie recommendations. Thanks to Lionsgate actually fall the BLU ray four K. and next week. We're going to be reviewing the Danny Boyle's latest movie yesterday yesterday. All my troubles seem so thaw or you just slapped with a bill from Ball McCartney. I I probably grab it. Paul's my friend out government. Call you thinking that my rendition of that was enough off to make anyone recognize what it was. Thank you upload this to Youtube. Il Il flagler anyway. Move Recommendations I'm going with atomic bond because it's probably the best example of this genre. I think that's seen in recent times. come on. Leon which is my favorite example of this younger. which is what like Action Action Woman? Yeah Leon is a fantastic industy. Movie is still holds up watch. It is one of lupus on's bests. That's fine are a little different. I'M GONNA go with the movies that are think any watch just for the I don't know call back to a nicer time of life now. I'm not saying that the people in these movies Nice because Judy Garland on wasn't Nice I know that I'm fully aware of who she was as a person but wizard of Oz is one of those movies that when I watch I'm like transported to my grandmother's floor or in front of her console TV on Thanksgiving night when my dad was bitching because he wanted to go home is a forty minute drive we'd had Thanksgiving and they always put on Thanksgiving and I I would lay on the floor with my face in my little hands listening to him. Tell mom we need to go. Come on. We need to go and I know my mother was probably thinking Gosh. She's watching the wizard of Oz. I don't WanNa like I don't want to take her away from her wizard of Oz and of course it would have been on from like seven to ten because it would have added shitload commercials made it all evening long probably yeah and so that's what takes me back to and I loved it then and I would love it again. Now now the other one MS Charlie and the chocolate factory you don't call it that I call it Charlie and the chocolate country. What do we call it? Willy Wonka and the Jaguars back the British ways challenge correct so Willy Wonka and because again. It's just got that like it's weird and it's says some social commentary and it's just just a release. It's it's a fun fun romp of Midi so very go to do not even bother the Tim Burton remake 'cause I don't what to do if they want to. Watch it watch. If you WanNa Watch a bug me listen to you. You're no more credible than those one-star people all right so if I agree with you. Are you scully stuff I am going with. I've been playing some more games from game. Pass xbox game. That's the game called dead cells. which is a two day? You see me playing this two eight bit style. PLATFORMA and it's a rogue gleich which rogue like what is rogue like means sits up. I don't know now you don't know rogue like non genre of video game all right. I'll explain what rogue Leykis you are. You start the game and you play it and you'll you will die. You know is kind of designed leaned that you're going to die and then you'll die and then you will come back to life this dead cells. You know you can't die but you do. Come back and then you what you did pre prior. If you unlock anything in your prior run through of the game you will keep that stuff so hence the second time time you play the game it might be slightly easier because you've got better stuff and the more you die the better stuffy get keep going into the game trying in to get as far as you count collecting stuff only to die and then to eventually be reincarnated with the stuff you already collected. Eventually you get to a point where you so oh powerful because all the stuff you guys so you can finish the game so it's like designed for you to play through it lots and lots the same levels over and over again while that sounds really boring. It isn't because the actual loop of well this this. This run is going to be much easier because I just found a solid. The is fifty times more powerful than the one in the last. It just makes it really fun so that's what a rogue blankets so also rogue like no no so yeah dead cells. It's free on game played a law this week. It's really good. I've also played. There's a new racing game out called L. W. R. C. Rally eight and is the eighth of these rally games dirt Rally Code Masters Make Raleigh Games called dirt rally and that kind of the you know the premium top end of rally motorsport games and W I see rally has always been like the budget title is kind of the same kind of gain but it's not good as much money to develop it so it never comes across his good. This one is kind of caught up with rally. I was quite surprised I've not played. Maybe six was the last one I played so picked up eight this week doc and it is very much like dirt rally. No it's the graphics of calls up the handle in is really good this much more deep deep career mode in this one way you actually have to manage your whole life offices and you go through your emails and you have to sign different sponsors and higher different on staff to look after your car in between doing the rallies if you've ever played football manager game like soccer manager is like apple from rallying and what you actually do the rallies you drive the cause so as to see rally. I think on consoles and PC I'm planning to PC version square good. Did you see me play it. No thanks I racing game always would look the same to you the right yes just a cow on a screen as do the other ones. It's like I'm fighting game a war game driving game unless it's telltale yes I haven't telltale should do a racing game but so you fast moving driving and then you it says you WanNa go left or right and then his decision to be made and sounds not fun not no all right so what is for dinner tonight. We're going to be having homemade non chicken burrito where vegetarian overeating because Vegetarians don't starve. We're not all animal freaks in Renato. What do you call them activists some of us. Just don't eat that animals anymore between the two of us. I'm sure in myself more so than you even eight enough dead cows pigs chickens fish in the whole first forty years of my life to kill a horse horse but so we're vegetarian. We've been vegetarian for ten years. I am no skinnier. I'm very round. So I'm quite healthy. You are quite healthy. We have no none of that going on. We just don't eat him so we like to tell people that we're not starving. We're not eating grass and lettuce every day tonight. We're having corn product. It's like Qr in and they make these little bits of like It's made out of a MICA protein gene so it's like little bits of roast chicken. GonNa put it in a Tortilla wrap with some cabbage and corn. What what else did I have awesome to- foodie sour cream sauce sour cream. It's made out of Tofu. We did of another impossible burger. This redid and we'll have another one next week. It was was even better the second you're in love with that yeah. It's really very good for supper. A burrito thingy now also not eating cheese so people will go without. She's not that we don't eat cheese but Julia not necessary. I don't think nice beans. We can put in there. It'll be delicious right. And what is your advice advice. Oh my God when I go to the store I okay I. I am difficult. I don't have any delusions about myself whatsoever. I am allowed mouth a a what do you call. Those people bombastic quite confrontational. I that's how I am and yet when I'm out in public when there are people there and I worked dealing with clerks and people other customers and other people like excuse me I smile. Someone asked me a question. I'll say yes man. They're right over there or whatever you know. You dislike your decent human being. This doesn't seem to be the way people are seriously. I feel like I'm in. I'm in a movie where everyone knows the script and they're all being dick heads and I haven't read it. I haven't read the daily script. I'm like am I out of the loop on this this. What the Hell I told you about the lady I went to get some what I thought we're going to be gromit to make a banner for standing in the row and there's just into the customer lady. She's looking at the same stuff as me and I didn't see them and I said something about. If you ever used gromit seen off the ground mature over here somewhere she looked at me and she looked up and down. What are you using season four and I pointed in my car heads vinyl that I bought some making a banner she goes. I L it's not grits and we never used them before it like that. I'm just like and then she disliked pointed at them Freshman Yeah Orleans. She's feeling so fucking superior because 'cause she knows how to hammer a little piece of metal therapies of fucking material then I got home and I did it and I'm just like okay. I got it but why should have to be such a Dick. I was like thank you could. She did point got them for me but I don't get it. I do not understand absolute hateful snotty yeah no it's vile to me and so yeah my advice to everybody is just stopping dickhead forgotten public. Do the things people did teach hugh to do because it's not like any of us were raised any better. We'll raise the same you learn manners and you learn to be polite and you learn not to be a deck at all the time. I mean I mean it's not even an age thing so don't think that I just think that some people feel the permission to be jerks. Nowadays I don't know why also in the same same-store actually walking around and I heard the lady who was at the checkout clerk lady she was laughing with some customers she's pretty loud laughing laughing and she's waiting on them and the lady was a Nike Joann fabrics so the lady back you're cutting fabric was an older lady and the next year was also an older lady and they had a line of people and the lady keeps cutting her fabric and I won't yell at the way she did but she yelled it because this lady up front was laughing and I could see both of them sort of in my line of sight just looking around you know the Lady Upfront was checking out people and she's laughing and being very cheerful and helpful and the lady in the back like heavy done everything i. I told you to do this on cutting the people in line. We're like awkward and like Oh my God. It's like you just got in trouble by the teacher at school then the lady up front. I wouldn't ask a question where I could find some shoes. All you're going to have to ask the ladies in the fabrics because I'm not sure I I looked at her with like this sad. Is it goes I don't. I don't think I'm going to ask them. They're kind of intense. She put her hand on my arm. She goes I know right. I was like okay but it's just this free for. All I can be a jerk an asshole to everybody in front of everybody like I'm five year old kid throwing a big fucking fit and it I am the queen of Fits Trust. I mean I can go off on a rant that you will feel like I've rattled you. Do your bones right that can happen. That's a definite possibility but not like in the Sevilla the the civil social agreement we have right. I think maybe it's going away. People are just. I don't know why but it's really on my nerves so I say day if you're that person I don't think any there are people listening would be that way but if you identify someone else's is that way and it gets you down. I'll tell you it sucks your energy. It makes you feel like Oh my God. I'm so exhausted from that. Don't let it like let them be the and less. It's really has a negative horrible effect on some situation but I mean just think this thought I am so glad I am not a bad person. I'm glad I don't see the world in a way where I have free for all to be a jerk out in public in front of everyone and then just act NB huffy because it's like it's like the scooter people that Ethan Zindler he is named Hila yeah on what's the name with their podcasts. Recommend this showing like scooter people who own and there was a scooter leaves into the store and behind her was a woman with a very full cart and they were going so slow and the lady in front was like Manhattan and a man walked in front pastor to go down the aisle. 'cause you could see this sort of train of people coming with her. You would have to stop and wait for the train instead he kind of stepped past and went down now and she gave him a look like silver. Let's I wish I had dated or something but that reminded me of them because they show videos of people doing that and again. She just had this bad attitude. Sri podcast I showing you how like crazy people on those yeah not like push scooters like with your foot scooters like people who have don't walk well or as I experienced. It's usually people who are very very very overweight. I mean yes. I'm putting that out there. If that's you and you're offended it is what it is because we all have brains and eyeballs and we can see what's what's going on. Yeah we can see deception. Just be fat and waddled around the second and kill you to go to the store and walk around while if you have a problem that super painful and you cannot walk around. I totally understand what about about one clip. We saw without lady she guess he's riding on the thing and then she she's in the airport and there's a lot of glass windows does and she just rides through a glass window. 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Max Porter, Jon Hopkins and Aoife McArdle

Monocle 24: Culture with Robert Bound

26:56 min | Last month

Max Porter, Jon Hopkins and Aoife McArdle

"Hello and welcome to coach with me. Robert bound on today's program was speaking to the creative dream team behind. What promises to be one of the standout elements of this is manchester international festival. And you fill titled all of this unreal time that creative clan comprised of the novelist max porter the film director lethem mcardle and the musician john hopkins. All of whom have come together to make. Max's script a personal in universal plea apology prayer into celluloid reality. Kilian murphy plays a man in constant motion walking through the night towards the future through deserted lockdown london through subterranean tunnels neon lit rain licked streets into the door and the edge were sort of subtle revelation unfolds. Murphy's character in his one man monologue fallen against his own failings. Are they his all of our. It's a moody memorable beautiful piece of work under the directorship of either mccaw strange and beguiling soundtrack written by john hopkins with rice and erin desktop of the national. It is quite a thing and here are john. Ether and max to talk about all of this on real time. Max john e for thank you so much time today to talk through this wonderful unusual moving film. How did you come together as a creative clan working on this working on this project. Max maybe kickoff with with you. We've been brought together by the sort of amazing steering powers and magnetic matchmaker of creative matchmaking. Skills of the person could marry hickson Who specializes in bringing people together to work together. Who might have worked together. Before also across different forms musicians artists performers so are shared. I'd written a piece for killian and killing and shared it with mary. We thought originally it might be a performance thing in the theater and then we sort of know it needs needs music and it needs film and so mary shed it was ether and then we made a film. An nfl went over to john and aaron and bryce and it's grown since and from that from from mary having homewards. It's been under the commissioning umbrella of manchester international festival. Who paid for the film and are going to put on this extraordinary. What we calling immersive. Multimedia event installation installation. How will that be realized to in in manchester at the festival. It's grow from being a fulham into also being a live installation. has to lives but the live. Installation is yeah. We've tried to make it as immersive as possible for the audience. So have you know the gigantic screen and then in terms of how remastered the signs. You know we very much explored saran signs and how we could use that with the different layers that are in there so when the audience have watched it the first time the it should feel like they're really in the foam and feel very much part of it and you know feel the birds flying around them and the planes flying over their heads and those kind of elements that tried to bring with the the writing in the phone. Yeah enjoy incur encouraging the music. There's very speech heavy film. Obviously a new music is subtle kind of those moments that suggests that kind of emptiness the city and then as you're protagonist walks out into into nature. There's more sort of organic sounds in there. How did you approach it. When it's such a text heavy piece of work so some imagine myself in erin destination bryce tests and they rule in different countries for most of this so i'd never done a collaborative school before and i never worked remotely in this way before so we are just kind of funny away and i suppose We started by just writing freely over the over the peace and and then with if his input we we ended up. Just kind of whittling down and just creating a lot of textures and different materials which she can place in the film because it really had to flow with the dialogue and it couldn't just be wall to wall music obviously so It went through various situations and ended up very refined think and So yet our nebraska would send me things. I would sometimes process them and send them back and we just ended up with this whole folder. Very collaborative stuff Fill my gas about truth. And it's kind of his very definitive of night thought cnn. I wondered about the rice. The music john do you have. Do you have thoughts. Yeah that's max max asking leading questions on head on no no thoughts after nine pm. Yeah it's because the way. The film kind of goes through the night and end in the door. And i mean i never. My writing process is never has anything preplanned all conscious about it so i would always just let myself you trust in the subconsciousness to do the work and watching this film is there's so much in there and lorenzo agreed to originally because it just the power of the words is enormous and i just stray still hearing things you know and the same with the picture when i saw the so i specifically requested I got to do some of the writing the saint because it connected so much visually with me as well as as you point but yeah really just letting the laying the subconscious to work and untrusting in that. Yeah and the the music so beautifully into the kind of sound design afer. You've got some wonderful mounts near the end of the film as ammann's walking through meadows by the side of railway tracks in the murmur rations starlings kind of a great pace of fortune for filmmaker. Wonderful thing you already lay those on. How did you approach that. and how. How long were you out there. Trying to trying to capture those parts of nature as opposed. Once i read the words i started bell to treatment. Died of like what the imagery in the locations could be. And what the kind of you know. What the journey could be in terms of the night and today and you know what kind of great places we can take in looked at dublin. At one point is a location Back at london. Because i did feel like still like a lot of natural beauty to london at the hasn't really been explored so i think when i read max's words i could maybe think about those kinds of locations that traditionally you find you know maybe grittier or more industrial or more ugly in some ways but actually they have a real beauty those places at the marshes next to the train tracks or the places with like you know rivers bhai pylons so yeah for some reason i guess the struggle that the characters going through the words many think of those kind of places so So yeah it was very much then peace in the shadows together around these places when we could get sunset sunrise knee flexes and i was very much from that perspective for a long time until we got there. It was torrential rain so we talk three torrential rain for pretty much. The who'll sheets and like that wasn't planned. But then i guess bricks. That actually loved a lot more. I mean i felt like you wouldn't get the same elemental beauty and the same like freshness in certain ways with the ministry if we didn't have that rain that wetness and that sort of that extra level of of of pain in some ways you know those of limited spaces on the edge of the city. I suppose of really central maxes. It seems like it's very centrally to the themes the themes here exploring that idea of there are so few spaces. At least the you'll protagonist killian walks through that aren't untouched by man that iran messed up. I suppose the these settings kind of pretty much mirrored what you're putting down the page and that's one of the nice things for me about coverings at you have. I don't want meaning fixed on the on the peace. I don't want meaning finished ever really. I wanted to go on being interpreted and changing every time it meets a reader so that it became very different when he first started to visualize it in urban landscape it became very different as she says when we arrived it was so squishy and wet and glistening in buzzing elfin was always buzzing with power lines or traffic and therefore the piece took on this kind of post industrial hum. The kilian was very into and worked on thin. Can the whole crew around. It will start to censor. This thing was going to be more to do it. The lemon also the kind of ambiguous. The meaning isn't fixed in the tax. I want readers and viewers listeners. To be thinking he's not. The confession itself is sort of a poem an essay. And i think the music and the visuals have done the same thing that kind of what is he talking about is it. Is he one person. Is he representative of the whole type of people is he is he. Masculinity is he is he homo. Sapiens is all the way that that all is in motion. the whole time has been. Captain elaborated on sort expanded by by the film and then the music in a way that i. I'm really amazed by hope. Hope that this won't be complete. I hope to win the when the view has been immersed in it. I mean by the sounds of installation match is going to be absolutely next level in terms of the sound in the space and i want that thinking about what the text means what the landscape what the figure in the landscape means what the sound and the voice in the to go on right after. They've left and walked off into their own landscapes. We want this to live in viewer in a way. That isn't perhaps possible. When you haven't got so many elements speaking to one another. And ethan. John you get to get a brief or did you get maxes tax. Did you get the script to the film and work on it that way. At what point do you. Because i sense it. Max doesn't want to explain. He's he's not a heavy handed collaborator. Right he doesn't wash of text. But i can't imagine he's pushing you in in super specific directions guessing. He allowed you guys to completely open up your own kind of can of worse. Aether took a bloody knife to it. Started trolling lines out. After i know that's not true. There's only a couple. no i mean it was. It was like i mean. Yeah it's like a gift. It was really pure beautiful way to work. Actually 'cause yeah dot given this incredible piece of text the maximum written which was just pure poetry really and takes you in so many different directions in your mind is so inspiring that like when i read it i mean i who everyone's going to read it and see see different images in their head and that's the beauty of the writing as well but yeah i guess for me. I was like saw a certain way. You know and i'm just kind of went that direction with as much as a kid in terms of this journey three night. Three these kind of grittier places to take through to something. That was very natural and powerful at the end really brought out that catharsis. 'cause you know i think we all how to we read the pace that the ending was just so like get tina really. Gets you in the parcel especially in the times rain right. Now where rural we've all been locked in a minimum of rediscovering the power of nature. Just simple things in human connection. Such a such a privilege is while you know so like Reading the text and then just finding ways to get that journey Really the art with character that you did go through these sort of Questioning the sort of inner torment memories and everything that makes up a human being and then came at the end on this other place that was quite hopeful cathartic as the lighting the lighting for is is kind of is incredible. It's superior intimate. We see a lot of kellyanne face and yet a lot of it is shot at night. How how did that work you. You've got such a lovely balance and seeing this in some of your other work is well this amazing facility with faces and intimacy house out achieved on on this shoot. I mean i think that's part of high of work. Is you know especially when there's not a budget obviously a very interesting lightning on that side of filmmaking. His side passionate about but at the same time you know we were limited resources to so it was more like a positive like this. It was building a dilemma ryan. the locations that you knew you were gonna get beautiful light from you know photographs taken over the years and places and try to build up an archive of that kind of stuff and then obviously you know when we went location. Hunting in was focused on places where we could. We could get that. Look you know we could get those lights where we could add additional small lights in a in a way that wasn't be too invasive because we had to be quite relatively gorilla in harare shooting too so so yeah a lot of it was just done to the choices of location really and then and then added some additional lighting colors to bring as much intimacy as we could get to keep you connected with the character in all these kind of strange places and stuff and it got stranger. Didn't it because like london is strange. Anyway it's a m barking highstreet. It's rams a pretty weird spot at a pandemic and also and also trying to communicate and killian drenched and kilian trying to trying to say this stuff. In a way that was powerful it was intense. Yeah muscles and we shot it very fast really. We shot at mealtime which you know given what the money we had to make. New kind of be very organized. Mathematical bite hardly moved to each location and street lighting setup and so there was a live organization into it and then obviously the rain really slow to stein a lot. But i feel like you know. Obviously that gives you a natural wet down in some of these places. I was going to wet time them anyway. So that's sometime but yeah then you get the lighting. The way that brings up. That was another really special element and just kind of connecting you as making it more sensory. Really selena's another suits abusive. The rain suits fear refills. Like as much as he's he's going through something so is the earth the earth kind of giving him giving him some tears. Yeah exactly john. A in terms of that question about getting briefed and stuff. What about you. Max you kind of swap you kind of saying this is what i'm listening to this the vibe or did you kind of go off into her own into your studio and creighton just as much back and forth in the writing process for you know i mean. Maximum didn't speak. Avella music at all. And i think it was three composers and we would just kind of left to to start your own thing. I always liked to just start with something and send it collaborate and see what comes back and So i think there was a lot of freedom of the beginning and then as we started to refine it became clear that we need it more. We found original score very different tone which is much more kind of straight musical and it became not musical musical physically man to only we could get the soundtracks mixed up at the match to festival. Yeah yeah it doesn't look like he's about to think about moving the perfect. We're doing drum bass wrong. If we mentioned yeah you kind of have to start somewhere. So we did do a passive stuff and i think the three of us composers quite false workers and we we kind of divided arbitrarily into three chapters and i did the last one i in that the other two two and then But it ended up really fall from that and and stronger for it because it needed to be needs to be darker than we had it and what. I really like to one of the things. I'm probably better. i think than i am on. The things is is angling. Existing sounds so we had all this material and then it was all quite peaceful and then i just destroyed it made. It's made it like there's really dark music in the first in particular that's That was once a very beautiful place. But now it's like this really puck. Elliptic introspective grinding nightmare needed. And it was. It's great to be kind of some as yet the and was already between us musicians and and we were guided into that direction and it meant when you do get catharsis towards the end when everything opens out and you get the dohrn and the marshes meant something that was contrast trust and there was beauty and he's like crawling through brambles gal into a clearing you know is so so as the look to it i think remember. We talked maximum. You talk about your francis and book a this year and she said is great. I'm i'm doing. I'm doing this film and it's great to have so lots of you know. Few plates spinning can keep your creative. Jesus kind of flowing and all the rest of it. Was this rhythm. I of first and foremost as as a film peso was this something that is kind of in the back of your mind somewhere on your laptop kind of thing as as a thing that existed. And you're not quite sure and it suddenly became this thing with your collaborators. This was four killed. We decided we wanted to do. We were talking about this. The moment and mail guilt the metoo movement in his industry one annan mind the sense of confession say in a sort of secular sense and we watched a couple of a couple of things. We'd seen in been discussing music and certain albums and things but also certain projects across forms so for example. The anima film. Tommy did with contemporary dance. Leads meets kind music video. Yes piece actually a love your version of that dawn chorus change on. oh cool. Thank you got that gets me so we were thinking what what what what would have because he want to go back into the theater. He did he did he did this. We did a theatrical presents is gone. He found it very grueling. Minute was very grueling to him so he was quite sure he didn't want it in the factual space and film was the obvious thing. When when we we even start to look at his work and talk to her about it and even the weather eater is done with john in the past there. Is this as you said a study. There's an intimacy as well as this huge scale of the human being in the landscape so when the most exciting thing for me was when he started storyboarding it and it felt like a different type of narrative arc that wasn't necessarily story in the conventional sense but was more kind of emotional arc of thought. It's almost like thought being subjected to the pressures of a landscape and then note that that that thought has been subjected again to the pressure of the musical landscape. And now now will be subjected again to the kind of architectural creches of this huge venue and that is that is beyond our wildest dreams when it was just the two of us. Email him back and forth. But that's the great thing about much is the funding. It and mary hickson mind. Yeah does it mean. Does it mean to you. Watching it on film max is it is it did when you when it was a word document in the meaning of it changed now that you see it kind of pointing to you. I think i think it does. And i think it should. We all do this. Like it must be the same for you to put something out in the world and you re looking. I mean i don't tend to watch on incentive books. Sit down with last cup of tea and early max porsche. But yes into work. Should change as we change. I think we should simultaneously recognize ourselves and be unrecognized. What we've lost what we gained so this piece speaks to me when i watched was quite moved actually partly because it seems to speak to responsibility and child and caring for one another in a community in a way it didn't before the pandemic dissolve urgency of compassionately we live. I can say this to know how i feel about this. I think we've discussed it in other context all of us but as an english person now looking at the scale of a more collapse of our governance and the soviet responsibility and shared injustice perpetrated by hearing it seems increasingly urgent to be talking about the responsibilities of care and kindness. Both for those notionally. Nitto us i other human beings both to the planet so that it still humming still like. I want to mean the work. Don't you and you want to work to means something back. Well whatever it is music theatre film anything mine. I guess my modest feel it to wherever so yeah. I'm drafted still seeming to be saying something along the scene when killian is in kinda diner peaceful color mazing crazy blue and that. There's a tv playing like that you'd have football on something. Up in the top of the this is dina on on which they like like coverage of the l. a. the california wildfires perhaps or something. And then this this thing you think is a is a muff attracted to the fluorescent light. Turns out to be a butterfly and thought that was such a lovely thing was that was that bit of sleight of hand e- food. That was a lovey dovey. Not yeah no. i know. it was intentional. Not musk stroke. Butterfly flag paid more than any of us. Think credits supervisor. Best friends heaven is answer is got the most money ethic So no i actually did like it was a funny thing. Remember too with the producer about it. Because i just really wanted that moment to happen and it was kind of a. Yeah it was a discussion about whether it was worth spending the money on this butterfly or not. But i'm really happy that we did in the end. It was more like the idea of a little bit of. I mean it's almost like a pro sort of premonition away the ending away like it's a little and it's almost like i think. Like a tiny touch of femininity in this very masculine. Sorta harsh moment. So yet. there's a couple of things going on with that idea. But but i'm i'm really glad we got it in the end and actually did perform allow. It doesn't always happen with these creatures. Animals on camera it did its job long to recapture expected. Ashley i mean we. We actually got pretty lucky there. You know because you can never mean for instance. I recently shot with goats. That was just like a whole other level of heart hardship you know they were uncontrollable by leaping through seen everywhere so like it was a surreal scene. At least for. I didn't expect it to be that. Surreal so i think we got. We got really lucky with our per flight. The really get i guess. It was lucky. It was already out that he was going to be attracted to this Fluorescent light so on and we had some good bands as well to me about the about the stealing the scene and just being way better than kilian can of everything needing award in the masters came in bang even by the butterfly has to be said. Here thanks to max porta john hopkins and fm mcardle and all of this unreal. Time will premiere at the manchester international festival on the second janai if that large scale installation and it's also available to watch this program was produced by holly fischer and i've been rubber bound where we back same time. Same place next week above the time being. Thank you very much fits union.

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#827: A Quiet Place Part II / Top 5 Quiet Scenes

Filmspotting

1:35:46 hr | 2 months ago

#827: A Quiet Place Part II / Top 5 Quiet Scenes

"What kind of a show you guys putting on here today. We're not interested in going to do this thing going to have a conversation from chicago. This is film spotty. I'm josh larsen. And i'm adam. Competitor online asked people out twenty-eight teens. A quiet place was one of the surprise. Hits of that year now the sequel after a year delay has come to theaters also in theaters after a year. Delay josh and way more significantly us. Yeah this your first trip back in a while you hear about that this week. We've got a review of a quiet place part two and we revisit a top five that adam. You and michael phillips shared along with your review of its predecessor. Quiet movie scenes. It's a good one that more ahead on film spotting support for this podcast comes from invent together. Let's talk about innovation in america. Did you know that patents are major driver of job. Creation and economic growth. Problem is not every. American has the same opportunities when it comes to inventing and patenting. That's especially true for women and people of color. Even the women make up more than half the population less than thirteen percent of all inventors with a us patent women black and hispanic college graduates patent at half the rate of their white counterparts invent together is a coalition of organizations companies universities and concerned citizens committed to ensuring that everyone can invent and patent because research shows that if more women people of color patented their ideas it could boost us gdp by almost one trillion dollars a year. What can you do to help. Divers inventors patent and unleash economic opportunity. Find out at invent together dot org welcome to film spotting so back in two thousand eighteen. Josh michael phillips from the chicago tribune and i reviewed a quiet place. We both liked it. You were off schilling for your book. Somewhere i'm guessing. If i remember correctly half schilling i think that was an ebert interruptus winging because i can remember actually sneaking away from the conference on world affairs with michael j. casey boulder weekly film critic to see a quiet place. There was getting so much good word of mouth kind of this surprise. Hit and we thought we gotta catch this movie and so we did. I liked it quite a bit to movies as prayers by the way still available in all the finest bookstores also on that show. Michael and i shared our top five quiet scenes and now that bill has come due for you josh. Are you going to have any picks that could possibly rival ours because if listeners don't remember that list it's a formidable yeah of course. I have a few better choices. I mean that's to be expected. I also adam have one. we're gonna have one overlap. Even though i had so much opportunity to avoid you. You made a great pick. That i just have to share. So we'll get to that okay. Fantastic the rare adam. Josh crossover the rare josh compliment on my top five that top five including josh's picks and more later in the show but i wanna movie ends as brilliantly as a quiet place. Did you kind of wish they didn't bother with a sequel was a quiet place. Partout a mistake. It's working co. i suppose that could be my simple question to you. Adam was a quiet place to a mistake. But i want to dig into something a bit more specific about the movie directed as before by john. Krasinski who does show up briefly in the prologue. That opening section is a flashback sequence. Set on the day that the terrorizing creatures who hunt only by sound. I showed up in the quaint american town. Where kaczynski's lee abbott runs a farm alongside his wife. Evelyn played by emily blunt daughter. Reagan played by. Millicent simmons. en son. Marcus played by noah joop after some legit scares in that flashback. We jump ahead to pick up pretty much where the first film left off and yes. We are going to spoil that first film. We won't spoil part to if you haven't seen part one yet and are still listening to this spoilers ahead. So here's where we pick up. Lee dead farm destroyed. Evelyn reagan. marcus along with evelyn's newborn baby. No less they need to find a new place to quietly survive. I revisited twentieth. Quiet place just recently adam and while it held up it did strike me this time as something of a survivalist father's self glorifying fantasy and even though the sequel is largely without krizan skis lead his spirit hovers over the film. I think this is especially the case. When his surviving family members meet a former neighbor emmett. Play kilian murphy. Let's just say amit hasn't exactly risen to the manly occasion in the wake of the monster invasion. Adam you're a father. I don't think i'd call you someone who has survivalist tendencies but still deep love for your kids and certainly a protective streak is part of that. Did a quiet place part to push your dad buttons after these two movies. Are you now ready to do what it takes for your family. When the inevitable apocalypse arrives grew up in small town iowa. Don't want to spend any time on a farm if i can avoid it. Okay but dance your question. Oh i'll give it everything i've got. I feel like i said this during a recent top five. Maybe it was tough. I moving moms. I said it during the quiet place. One review really the fundamental purpose of parent is to protect your kids. That is your burden. The terrible part for my family is that i have very little a gif. The good part is that sarah is more than capable of handling krinsky and the blunt role. So we'll be fine for. I'm going to say at least a month in clips josh. That's pretty good. Yeah it just won't be in any way because of me. Isn't that what happens every time you watch. One of these dystopia envisions you think. That guy is so resourceful. He so tough. He's so manley didn't know how to do all of that stuff already. There is an idealized version of masculinity we get oftentimes in these films and i am not that increase in sqi who is as you noted only in this movie briefly he has that swagger here right from the beginning and i did for the record very confused when this movie opened as you know i usually go into films having not read anything not watching any trailers and i thought is this a prequel is is christine going to be in the the whole movie. No it is just a prologue that i suppose served a purpose in that. It introduced us to killian. Murphy's character and that the most just seem like an excuse for kaczynski to be in the movie one and deflect some action filmmaking muscles as a director right this is a huge set fees but when we meet him he pulls up in his pickup truck and he kind of struts into the little town store and he buys a bunch of oranges and then he goes to the baseball diamond. Where son is playing and is about to hit and he takes out one of the oranges on the bleachers. And this big knife. there's very manly knife. And and he cuts the orange open. Because that's how we all eat oranges. The movies approach to masculinity isn't a major point for me positive or negative with film. So i can't wait to hear more about your take on it. I'll say that blunt unfortunately seems somewhat sidelined here but the payoff of the film. The emotional arcs of the movie are owned by the kids. And i don't mind. That noah joop and millicent simmons both very good simmons. I'd say sensational. As she was in the first one also loved her in todd. haynes wonder struck their big moments. I'll say this josh. Without spoiling anything are maybe a tad bloodier and bloodthirsty. Then maybe they needed to be. But that is countered by something that reminded me actually of cormac. Mccarthy's the road. The book and the john ilkka movie with vigo mortenson. Which is that when reagan is being compared to or comparing herself to her father or when she's comparing emmett to her father it's not really a matter of strength or talent with tools or guns or knives. That's the question. I think it's his sense of hope or the lack thereof and his humanity. There's something about lee. In the first movie that is uncompromising he never betrays who he is and what he believes in even at the circumstances might justify it. And i'll offer that that spirit doesn't seem to me particularly masculine or feminine. There's yeah that opening prologue. Of course it's there. So kaczynski can get on screen. And i was equally confused thinking. Oh is he gonna be in this whole thing But it and it's really well done. I mean this shows that he does have a lot of skill in in terms of not only an action but a suspense director. He has patients a knows where to put the karen. How long to leave it there. Also the effects crew that he has here. There is a great shot of one of these creatures emerging unexpectedly from the windshield of a bus. That is careening out of control down the street. I mean it's it's a really intense action sequence so it serves that purpose. But i think it also does intend to serve a purpose as you said kilian murphy showing up amit get a sense of who years before we will meet him later in this whole idea of masculinity that the movie playing with that really did fascinate me. You mentioned it. Marcus the sun. No joop we see him at little league and right away. We see that he's up to bat and he is terrified of being hit by a pitch. And let let me just say like i know survivalist father either probably because i was the kid terrified of being hit by pitch and hated little league okay and his mother's assurance i totally gathers. Yes i totally get that That experience the emotional notes that it's hitting but the movie is also planting that seed. Because if you think back to marcus as a character in the first film he was very much afraid and very sickly. Even you hope great opening scene there. They're going to the pharmacy because he is seriously ill. And they're trying to find antibiotics or something for him. So so marcus has been in two films now especially here presented as the sickly fearful presence. And i just think that's interesting because the movie makes a point of showing marcus progressing to become a quote unquote man. In what happens when we've flash for ahead and let me say right here. I'm i'm not offering these observations as a critique where as you said whether it's a positive or a negative i just find it really interesting that for two films now. This seems to be something that christine ski. Maybe his co. writers whatever it that these movies are very much interested in maybe bottom line. I wish they had interrogated those attitudes a little bit more just to make it more interesting. But it's definitely something we see. Because marcus gets and i don't want to spoil it here but if we jump all the way to the end marcus definitely gets a moment where he absolves himself of such weakness moment. That very much repeats. The finale of the first film. I think that's maybe a a critique of this movie is that it does do a little bit more repeating than we might like but we do watch marcus thinking about the other moment in this one. Where he he steps into the bear trap. And it's his painful scream. I won't think about it that attract the creatures right so it's almost like i. I could think of the image of of emily blunt having to cover his mouth. And and it's kind of like this man up image you know you're you're going to unlike your father you're going to cost us here. And so that's just his character. I think killian. Murphy's emmett is on the same trajectory when they first meet him when they finally find him at this abandoned factory. He's holed up all by himself. He's created a safe house. He immediately tells them you know. I don't have enough supplies here. You're going to have to move on And i love the touch where evelyn demands that he pulled the bandanna down and says something like show me your face. I think at that point. She doesn't completely recognize them but she thinks she does. And and then she and reagan both kinda. Give him this speech at different times about how. Here's what my father would have done in this situation and you're not doing it. There's this radio signal he's detected. He's not going to go explore for survivors. And they want to. That's what their father would have done and again. I'm not holding this against the phone. Because i think it's interesting. That reagan is the one who decides to go out and seek the signal So she is so here we have some gender you know we do switching which i think is a strength that was also strength the first film to in the moments So yeah it's again this observation where It's a preoccupation of these movies. That is that is interesting to me. in some areas it's a strength where it allows characters to surprise us and in some areas. You're kind of like wow. This is really traditional. You following along traditional gender roles. In a way that seems a little bit outdated But back to you know when when reagan does head out on her own. I loved sequence the most because as you said milton sevens so good in this movie that gives her a chance to become essentially an action star and reagan is in is in this interesting position right where Her her hearing impairment makes her almost more susceptible to the creatures. Because she can't hear the noises she makes. She can't hear them coming yet. She has the resolve in the bravery to go out anyway and she encounters this abandoned train. It's a fantastic sequence again. Christine ski skills as director. Suspense director. here are You know really evident and simmons just has his combination of resolve invulnerability. That makes it thrilling. I wish there was more of just her. You're right you're right about evelyn You getting set aside when blunt is so good as she wasn't the first film. But i could've used even more of just reagan on her own and seeing her adventure in this world. Yeah no i agree with you completely. And i think the only distinction i making and i'm not even sure if it's a distinction for what you're saying with regard to emmett's character is not that he's being judged. It seems to me because he's not manly enough in a traditional sense meeting. He's not brave enough or that. He's not tough enough because let's face it he's also survived and he also knows how to handle a gun and it's not as if to me. He is actually really fearful of what might happen to him. Personally is just that. He's given up. he has given up. He has no hope. he's not willing to try milton. Simmons is willing literally to die trying. If that's what it takes. That's the legacy of her father is. That is that sense of hope that sense of humanity. He's willing to just continue to live by himself and just of wait it out and die. And that's the the big difference in what she ultimately kind of instills and infuses in him. But you talk about his skill krinsky as a filmmaker and there are definitely some sequences. Where agree with you including that train sequence. But there's also an element here for me. Josh of the skill or the desire to showcase that skill overtaking the whole movie. And if you read sam's quote in our newsletter this week. Sam our producer. He said that i he hasn't even made it through the first quiet place because he's not generally a fan of kids in peril movies and i totally get that. But then he also said. Does this happen to us sometimes. For whatever reason you see the matrix version of a movie the ones and zeros that make up the plot. And as soon as i read that i just seen the movie the night before and i sent him a note right away in slack and told him that he shouldn't even try to bother then with a quiet place to because all i could think about watching a quiet place to was mark marins goto jab on the wto podcast whenever. He's trying to express what he doesn't appreciate about certain comex who are the opposite of him and it's some version of its like math. These comics are doing math on stage. There's a precision to it a formula to it this plus this equals this punchline. Laugh beat whatever it is. It's not it's not raw enough. It's not vulnerable enough. It's not honest and authentic enough. And ironically i went back to my notes from my review of the first one and i referenced math to praise it because i said that christie does a lot of letting the audience do the math where you see the inevitable moment that's coming and now there's just kind of the dread of the characters figuring out the answer and doing the math for themselves but this time josh. I'm telling you and it was early on even in that opening setpiece all i could see were the ones and zeros. Rather than suspenseful foreshadowing. Everything felt very predictable and telegraphed. It's so tightly crafted that the filmmaking seems to me for lack of a better word almost oppressive. You know we joked. I think we could go on the show that krinsky called it a quiet place part to like the godfather part to to try to put it on that level but to me. It's like krinsky figured that if the pinnacle of filmmaking is the baptism sequence of the godfather at the end of that movie which to be fair he might be right. The navy thought if i just employed that cross cutting technique for an entire movie then maybe it will somehow even better than the godfather. And it's it's not i actually. I found that that technique overused and really heavy handed and the byproduct of that precision is. That you then start really paying attention to how calculated everything is which opens up questions about character actions and decisions and there are some really dumb ones here that you realize only do occur for the plot. I mean i'll just say i wrote in my notes actually twice. Why wait. And i'll just leave it at that. If you've seen the movie you probably know what i'm referring to. why wait. There are a lot of moments like that. But i think it all ties back to that that precision as i said the kind of overly calculated nature of the filmmaking. I think the area the moment where that was a problem for me was the finale. Which again is almost a beat for beat recreation of the finale of the first film involving different characters somewhat different scenario. But that's where i can see you know. Math is made a formulas and so that is where i can see the formula formula being employed. I can't say the precision bothered me previously in the way it did you. I mean suspense does require precision. Were you know it's this magic act of balancing surprise. Chaos as the prologue does with filmmaking precision and i think that is what i'm impressed that kaczynski so good at there is an extended. It's not even a parallel sequence. There's three actions going on in parallel to each other right. Yeah and and it's it's it. It didn't bother me as much and what also didn't bother me is. You're right if you start asking questions about this movie. You're not gonna stop. And i think that's true maybe not to the same degree but it is true of the first film as well especially as you get into the abbot's whole you know farm-to-table survival system setup writing it's like there are so many questions you ask about that so to a degree and in a movie like this you just have to buy into the scenario. It was probably easier to buy in for the first film than it is here. yes so i would give you that. I would advise people not to start asking those questions. And and you'll have a better time and i don't feel like again in this genre. That's that's too much like giving a movie a pass You know. I think that's kind of part of the deal but there are certainly some character decisions. I can see what you're Saying there is a sequence mini sequence. That i didn't think of the road but you're absolutely right. That is totally like a short film version of the road. Yeah that there are a lot of questions you could ask there or how that even works but for me. I don't know i was okay with it. I think the other thing that i really liked about this. And it's an odd thing to say sequel. And maybe you shouldn't say it of a sequel. But it was so refreshing to be in imagined. Universe all its own you know just even even as a sequel just to be back in a place that surprised me with its ideas and you and michael probably site at all the films that influenced a quiet place right. It's not like this is the first film to ever think of some of these concepts but still new characters. New study new world relatively new situation. It's not You know a part of some larger franchise. And i still felt that refreshment while seen partout now will i with part three or has it at that point kind of cross the line and we need another new idea. I don't know maybe it's also because i just endured cruella this week example of an example of where we are so often at the movies these days in places that are just oppressing us to use that word with their familiarity but yeah the uniqueness of a quiet place still helps it to stand apart for me. You know you can choose which movies you watch and don't watch right. Well i mean it's it's kind of my job. It's a job at them right. I mean it was anyone. Assigning you crew olivo signed myself. That's that's the choice. I'm referring to josh. Not hear what you're saying. And i think again having gone into this movie with no sense of where it was picking up and it's picking up literally right where the last movie ended other than the prologue. I really wasn't sure where they were going to go with these characters and for some reasons. I already tried to articulate. I didn't have those same issues. As far as questioning the machinations of the first movie. I think it's because i really just enjoyed these characters so much and enjoy spending time with them. And this time. As i said i was really focused on those mechanics and the decisions they were making. Because of the filmmaking. But the fact that krinsky found a way in that isn't just about whether or not they're going to kill the creatures it's really about the family and their dynamic and those character arcs and he made it about the kids. I do think was refreshing to echo. What you said now. I don't know if you're aware of this or not if you saw the news but there is definitely going to be a quiet place three. Did you see who the director is in the right. I know this is new to me who breaking news here at least two josh. And this'll be unfair. Because your brain at the time of recording like mine is pretty. Well mush. so you're probably not going to place it but let me just say think about a filmmaker who's made maybe about four or five films somewhere in there little more experienced than chris male filmmaker whose work we've talked about in praised movie that was a golden brick finalist think listeners choice winner and who makes movies fundamentally about families and will be very good for this material. Is anyone coming to mind. Jeff nichols wow. I take back everything. I said about your brain being mush because you nailed it and i being jeff nichols fan. I welcome that news. Because obviously i think he's a really good director as i just suggested i think he's perfect for the material and i do think he's just enough of a craftsman that i don't think you're probably going to see a dramatic difference in approach or a lot of the same things that do work about the first two films will be carried over to the third but maybe he will actually just a little bit more breathing room for the characters. Then krinsky did in this one. And maybe he'll allow it to be just a little bit messier. Not not quite so tidy josh. Well he's definitely going to continue the exploration of masculinity that means that is all over his other movies and could possibly be what attracted him to this project. perhaps hey where. Where's this mind of mine. When we're doing trivia spotty. I mean that was like come on. I mean disaster trivial. Some good hints. But yeah no you pulled it out i am. I am really impressed. I'll give a nod to one really subtle moment. I liked it. It's entirely possible that this is just a trick of my own brain. And i'm an idiot and it wasn't something that krizan ski intended but the kind of subtle moments i like in this film can be found in a fairly early scene. Where mills and simmons reagan has just departed has left on her mission and emily blunt looking very distressed looks off frame and then the cut is to a kid laying on the floor sleeping. But you can't tell who it is from the shot and in that moment i assume because it's blunt having just looked at that kid that it's her son who's recovering from that wound accepted then we realize as the kid wakes up that it's her daughter. Who is waking up in a completely different physical space. But there's there's a way that kind of just with that that edit that it links them together with one cut links them together in a way that was was very potent so again. I do have some appreciation for kaczynski as a filmmaker. I am one of those people who definitely appreciated the first quiet place significantly more than this one. Yeah i'm definitely with you there and i'll just close with an addition to adams list of unforgivable movie acts with jewellery if you recall virtual watch of top gun. I noted how distressing it still is. That maverick just takes goose's dog tags. The astros him into the ocean not thinking at all about goose's son who might want those some day how 'bout blunt in a scene in this film taking her wedding ring off and just just leaving it because she doesn't have any kids who might one that artifact i've just saying it was an interesting touch. It made somewhat sense in the fact that she puts it at what has become a family shrine And so i think you know going back to the family idea. That's what they were going for their but yet it seemed like one of those decisions. You second guess i'm guessing it because in my world. Those are exactly the things you want to hang onto the tightest. That is not the world of a quiet place part two which is currently playing in wide release. Yes in theaters everywhere. If you see it and agree or disagree with heartaches email us feedback at film. Spotting dot net while i was completely silent not just quiet back when adam and michael phillips share their top five quiet scenes back in two thousand eighteen. We'll revisit that list and out quickly chime in with a few picks when we come back plus the results of the film spotting poll listeners. Choose the one summer twenty twenty one movie they most want to see. Stay with us Pollen kentucky is cold country for men work long hours for short wages where poverty black lung and needless disaster facts of life in one thousand nine hundred seventy three. The men's voted to join the united mineworkers union. The company refused to sign the contract and so began the battle of harlan county usa. Along i guess if we just played a clip from it. And we're talking about it that it means it's going to happen on next week's show. We're going to get back to our seven from seventy six best year ever series with barbara couples oscar winning documentary harlan county usa. It's one of my very favorite docs. But it is a blind spot for you josh. It's possible that the only couple film. I've seen miss sharon jones which was great so i've got a lot of work to do glad that i can get started here with harlan county. Barbara coppel a fairly recent guest here on film spotting kinda early i think into the pandemic. She actually called into the show. We talked about her. Most recent documentary desert one. I of course did have to sneak in a few questions about harlan county usa. Because i think it's so good. And i don't know the answer to this question josh. Maybe there's a film spotting historian out there who will either know it or we'll be able to do the legwork but even though we don't call seven from seventy six series a marathon it is not technically one of our over forty marathons. We've done going back to the first year. The show two thousand five. Harlan county is among the select few. Maybe the only movie that has been part of two series watched i when it was blind spot for both myself and then co now producer same bent hologram and now of course as part of this best year ever series and a movie. The deserves that treatment. I bet there's another one. It just seems like there has to be at least one. Doesn't nothing's coming to mind right now though. No me either. Also next week we'll have a review of one of the titles that came up on our summer movie preview. It's christian petzold on dean. That's all the acclaimed director of twenty fourteen phoenix and twenty eight teams transit. Both of which we reviewed very positively on the show. Dean actually comes to theaters next weekend. Harlan county usa is available currently on the criterion channel. Also on hbo. Max and of course we love to plug your local library. Give it a shot or maybe get it through inter library loan. Yeah my copy is sitting there at the library. I gotta get over there. But i didn't realize it's on criterion to so too easy ways for me to see it all right also a next week show massacre theater the part of the show where we perform a scene from a movie. And you get a chance at winning film spotting shirt in case you missed it. Here's a bit of our last massacre interrupted from the top hero of men. Go i am sorry. Sorry sorry and women men and women both all not a guy girl thing you know. Doyle was the hero twelve. You're doing great fair amount of entry. So far josh. There are a lot of dads and moms out there. Who are repeatedly watching this movie with their children. The way i watched finding nemo and in other animated films with my kids so another clue for another claire. Yes there you go. If you know what film we massacred email the movies title along with your name and location to feedback at film spotting dot net. Your deadline is monday. May thirty first. The winner will be selected randomly from all the correct entries and announced a next week. Show over on our sister podcasts. The next picture show. It's part one of their window watchers. Pairing they've got the new woman in the window paired with a movie that i understand it owes quite a lot too and it's not just the fact that it has window in its title. It's alfred hitchcock's rear window a movie josh. You have been on record as saying is maybe your favourite film of all time does mean you're also gonna watch women in the window. I mean i'm gonna have to now. I hate missing episodes of next picture. Show and i know woman in the window hasn't been too kindly received but yet this might be the final push. You gotta have an answer to that question at them. I mean especially. When when. I'm out doing a talk or something if you always get. What's your favorite movie of all time and i figured like this. It could be true. It might be rear window. It's probably true but it's also a safe who's going to argue with you right do do you have a go to. Do you have a choice for that. I get more pushback when i say pitch perfect. Well sorry for you. The next picture show is hosted by tasha robinson keith. V scott bias and genevieve kaczynski new episodes of the great podcasts and picture. Show post every tuesday wherever you get your podcast more info at next picture. Show dot net one way. You can support us here on. Film spotting is to join the film spotting family on patriot. A mere five dollars a month gets you a host of benefits including somewhat early show downloads. We get the show done as fast as we can. And add free episodes via dedicated. Rss feed the big benefits though a monthly bonus episode. And we haven't yet talked about it but it's a seventies blind spotting robert altman edition. I didn't feel like our listeners. Could steer us wrong. Whether they voted for three women mash or california split. And even though. I haven't seen california split. I'm gonna say they didn't steer us wrong here. Josh i mean it's a doozie. I'm still not sure. If i actually watched three women or just eighty men eight something and had a very unusual dream so We'll we'll hash that out in bonus we will. You also have the opportunity to partake in. Our monthly trivia spotting josh somehow managed to latch on to a zuma event that it seems our listeners and the participants from the show myself you sam our beloved production assistant. Cat sullivan joins us. Oftentimes michael phillips is joined a few times. We've found something that's on zoom that we actually want to continue post pandemic. that's how fun trivia spotting is in. This one is our eleventh so we're calling it. This trivia spotting goes to eleven. It's actually saturday. June fifth once again. The player tickets completely sold out. We do have a few spectator tickets for our family members. And do we have michael returning for this one different different. Alas team captains alas. Michael is not going to be able to join us again. He did he did promise. July and august. He's else right. We must see we will see very busy. Man michael phillips but we will have some great returning captains and as always we will have at least a couple new captains again that available to our family members exclusively annual memberships now available. You can pay for the year. Get a ten percent discount. Basically get a little more than a month. Free get access to all of those perks patriotdepot dot com slash film spotting race james. Well sam does know how to troll me. Doesn't he when he. He picks a clip from space jam. A new legacy. Now when i looked at this document earlier today josh did occur to me that i could pull my own troll job on sam and reference any other clip from any other movie. I wanted to play. And then what's he gonna do. He'd be forced to put that audio in the show he'd be very very mad at you. So adam are we to go. Can i take you to a crew ella. Space jam new legacy double feature is that. Is that a choice. You wanna make no no. It's not at all you would really have to drag me kicking and screaming space jam new legacy one of the options we gave you in the film spotting poll a couple of weeks ago. I'm not sure why yes. I'm a hater. i've never seen the original the question. You can only see one film this summer. Which one is it josh. The options we gave you were a quiet place part too. I think these are in chronological order of release date. A quiet place part to in the heights. eth- nine marvel's black widow. David lowery's the green knight candyman. I only said it wants space jam new legacy. Or if you're not excited by any of those you could vote other and right in your pick josh. How did it come out. Well very disappointed in the nineties kids. I mean space jam here in team but not atoms listening to the show two percent two percent. I mean it came in behind other other got three percent so yeah i don't. I don't think we're going to be reviewing space jam on this show. F nine received six percent of the candyman. Ten percent quite plays partout percent marvel's black widow twelve percent of than a jump here to the top two in our poll in the heights perhaps surprisingly second place with twenty three percent of the vote. That means that david lowery's the green knight won it with thirty three percent. You know we have respect for ethnic. We've got love for dom and crew. And i know some of our listeners. Do too but man. Six percent in a summer movie preview poll. But david lowery's the green knight takes with a third of the vote. Those are our listeners. Josh well is it. Maybe the originality thing that you know. I was talking about with a quiet place. Let let's see here. Is that the only original property whatever you wanna call it. I p of the. I guess it depends how you define in the heights. You know a broadway musical so Obviously existed some form. I think i think the green knight is now. It's our theory and legend. It's playing with so it's not like completely unique but compared to the rest of this stuff could that be part of it this. This is the fresh. Well let's see what are snobs. I mean our listeners had to say about this poll aaron teach min in la do miss capital s spectacle after getting vaccinated. I look forward to indulging again but if you make me pick one film to see in the theater this summer let it be one. That takes me places. I never dreamed i could go. Let it be david. Lowery's the green knight featuring the incredibly versatile dev patel aaron. I call foul. I give you cars in space but you think. Did you think you could go there. Isn't there This boon raker have a car. James bond drive around in a space car in that one. I know we gotta do our bond marathon for me to see moon raker. I was very young when i saw that. And my memory's hazy. Here's adam each in memphis degree. Night was one of my most anticipated films of twenty twenty so it easily has my vote director david. Lowery has earned a lot of goodwill in my book after a ghost story if anybody can adapt a fourteenth century poem and turn it into a film. Both pennsylvanian epoch. It's lowery so there you go. It's not an original idea adam. It's yeah this is based on a fourteenth century poem. Right i mean come on hollywood. Come up with something crash. Yeah doesn't that count as your book. Judge alito st century poetry. I think jeff bezos just bought all of the poetry of the fourteenth century. So yeah roger dot c. says my initial thought was black widow. Because i'm an unpolished marvel fan boy but then i looked at the list. I just had to pick one of the two. That aren't remakes. Sequels or franchises. There you go josh. Someone in the heights or the green knight i ultimately had to trust my inner eight twenty four and pick the night. Here's trip burton. There are a lot of good options here. But what i most want is to take the whole family to a movie where everyone in the room is having a blast where we are laughing and dancing and where we can all exhale from the feeling of being cooped up together for over a year. I chose in the heights. Everley lieberman says no question in the heights. I need entertainment. The lin manuel miranda way. Here's john new fry for me. It's between green night and candyman. And i'd got to play trivia spotty with neo dacosta so my captain gets my vote. Sound logic fair enough. John trevor are says. I'm sorry but i watch the space jam. Vhs fifty times during my childhood. And i'm going to see the new one asap. I i hope. Trevor is okay. Now adam you'd like to talk about how many times you watch things on. Hbo was their title. You think you watched fifty times start to finish. Oh yeah i would say. Start with the breakfast club. Then maybe go to vision quest. Then he times. Yeah probably probably probably yeah and then you know throw in the world. According to garp in it explains a lot about my personality where they're monsters who hunted by sound in iowa. When you were growing up you just had to stay quietly in the basement with your headphones. Watch much be. Oh okay that explains matthew w in dallas has our last comment here. No love for crew. That's my pick there is. There's the crew elephant seattle. Someone like movies. Yeah but you didn't like that movie did you josh. It made me rethink my love for movies. Okay thanks to everyone who voted in the poll and left comments. You can hear our picks for the most anticipated summer movies in the form of our top five questions about the summer movie season. That really aren't about summer movies at all on last week's show that's number eight twenty six. You can listen to film spotting dot net or wherever you get your podcast and now we turn to. What will surely go down. As one of the great deeply flawed film spotting polls trademark. The new poll looks ahead. A couple of weeks to are in the heights review. We're asking what is the best live action movie musical of the twenty first century of oh question that makes you ask yourself as we did earlier this week. What is a musical anyway. I think the best questions to solicit answers are the ones that you can't even define josh. I didn't even jump into this fray. I saw it happening. I knew it would be disastrous. Sam you know this kind of could have been the poll. He could've put up a bunch of titles said which one is a movie musical and brain seawall went with but instead we are asking what is the best live action movie musical. The twentieth century and here are the options. We gave you the two thousand three best picture winner. Chicago john cameron mitchell's hedwig and the angry inch. That's from two thousand one damian. Chazelle is la la land baas lerman's moulin rouge and other two thousand one film two options here from john. Carney is this your influence adam. Maybe the the whole century we gotta go with two for john. Kazan knows what's up. Two thousand seven's once in two thousand fourteen sing street. Adam crowd pandering. They're finally bumble of films with debatable. Musical cred i guess. Oh more adam pandering pitch perfect from twenty twelve. What happens what. I don't weigh in on a poll on. Excuse me a star is born. We did offer the option of other as we always do. Yeah our cat got on twitter and said well same van haugen woke up today and chose chaos and pretty much that is basically the case. I don't even know which of those really qualify as musical chicago. Hedwig moulin rouge for sure. La la land. Those are the only ones. I feel really confident our musicals. The other ones have a lot of music in them josh. And that's the extent of my analysis in terms of which one i like the most. I mean it's really hard for me to go against hedwig and the angry inch love. That movie loved that musical. In fact. I know. I've probably said this before but i'll say it again. My son holden is actually named holden mitchell because of john cameron mitchell. I watched hedwig and the angry edge. When sarah was pregnant with holden and we were looking for a middle name and his name came up on the screen and the end credits and i said i really liked that name okay. I don't think i had ever heard that. I'm relieved to hear. Sarah gave at the okay. Yeah yeah she liked it so here we are. You know we're stuck with it. Nineteen years later but in terms of my favorites pitch. Perfect sing street wants. I'm i'm not. I'm not going to choose. This is chaos. And i'm not choosing between them. Okay well for me. It's out of fashion but lala land is my favorite song. That bunch and we were just listening to the soundtrack again. The other day Just great stuff. But i would consider another option here. I would go with dancer in the dark. Which i think you know is is definitely talked about. Should have been included. You know is definitely closer to what we think of as a musical than some of these titles i would say going to judge on the genre thing but yeah big fan of dancer in the dark since you ignored sam's cries for help in forming the poll. You don't get to question what he included. It's kind of the film. Spotted madness method. Exactly in early voting. If you can't overlook the questionable title sam included in the poll we have a pretty good race here at the top moulin rouge la la land and once are all within just a couple of votes of each other some of the movies that are getting votes in the other category. Twenty eleven. the muppets. o-of raiders. Showman has three boats inside. Lewin davis one of my favorite films of the past decade baby driver almost famous again. It just don't think of almost famous as musical rocket man's in their an-and the apocalypse hamilton dreamgirls and walk hard. The dewey cox story. Lots of options. Adam remind me. Have i seen rocket man. I don't think you ever watched rocket man. I don't think so either. I think i watched it for the both of us. And i talked about on the show and i wasn't much of a fan. So yeah we got some grief for that you constantly ripping on rocket man and then one of us thought and i didn't go for it. Oh well okay with it subject. Here's the point. Sometimes you can vote in our poll and leave a comment even if it's about rocket man f film spotting dot net so so cool. It's oh osos still time for our top five quiet scenes. This is a list that guest michael phillips and i did back in two thousand eighteen inspired of course by the first a quiet place josh. You didn't get a chance to weigh in back. Then we did want to give you that opportunity now and i joked about it before but just looking at our lists. I didn't listen to the episode. I would never do that. And i'm sure michael was brilliant. I can't speak for me. Maybe i had nothing interesting or insightful. To say that's not a very good tease for what we're about to but all i know is on paper you go to film spotting dot net and click on this and find this top five. You got ten pretty great movies ten movies. That are pretty tough to go against so you had the challenge of coming up with at least a few titles. Full top five that you think we overlooked and might be even better. What are you have. I mean i do like my better. But that's kind of the right. That's how it should work. Okay good but i will also say this. This was done really quickly today. Top of my head. Not not a fully researcher. Even crowdsourced top five as i usually like to do essentially i relied on. I wrote a chapter in my book movies. Our prayers where. I talked about movies as prayers of meditation and contemplation and there was a whole section. They're all about silence in in films so that came in really handy. I kind of leaned on that for a lot of my picks and also. I have one which i do. Write about their adam that i share with you that maybe i spoil. But i'll i'll hint at here towards the top of my list but you just run through them really quickly here all in a row. Let's do it okay. Let's do it number five after the storm in bambi. If you remember that howling whirling storm sequence in the woods. I love how it's followed as storms often do by this stillness. Everything subsides the sun starts seeping through the clouds. You can even hear those last planks of rain dripping into puddles love that sequence in bambi. My number four actually might have been a scene of the year. It did get one wrap party award from me back in two thousand twelve. It's candlelight t in once upon a time in anatolia one. I also wanted to put on in honor of michael. He loves turkish director. Nouri boga jalen and there's a moment in this film where the search party stops for a meal in this rural village at night the power goes out and all these manner just gathered together in a in the darkness and young girl enters the room. She has this trait carrying tea and candles and just incredibly beautiful as this soft light illuminates each man's face one by one. We kind of get to see their expressions in this very quiet moment number. Three wandering the wagon trail in meek's cutoff. Kelly reichardt i think of as one of those filmmakers who regularly and very knowingly employees quiet and silence. And when i think about meek's cutoff i i hear before i see anything. The creaking wagon wheels that wind kind of over the hills just emphasizing. This party's lost nece. And their isolation number two was a no-brainer for me. The woods at night in the blair witch project. I mean how much of that movies fear comes from making us. Just sit in silence. And i were teased. Because we'll hear rocks or a stick breaking but once we hear that the later scenes where we don't hear anything are almost more terrified because we're listening for those things It's a lot like a quiet place. I think where where quiet and silence become these tools of terror and then my number one is. I'm just gonna reference. It was your number one. It's a great pick adam. Let's just say it uses stillness to turn a heist into a a holy place and great film. Wonderful extended sequence of quiet. You and michael get to it. Near the top of your. Yes so a great tease there for the list. You're about to hear or revisit if you heard back in two thousand eighteen. I'm going to give you another one. And that tees is one of the films that gets mentioned by either myself or michael is going to be put in the film spotting pantheon at the end of the show we have not anointed a film in quite a while. I can't think of a recent entry into the pantheon and we feel like this movie is due. It's a movie. Here's little hint. We both did just see for the first time not too long ago. Definitely deserving of the honor. So look forward to that and you know as i think about these lists. You're about to hear unless they come up in an honorable mention at all for myself or michael. I was suggesting that our list couldn't be top. Josh you did a great job you came. You came close. I mean i'll give you that means the world to me. I know but you mentioned your book. Movies are prayers. You are schilling again for your book available now at bookstores everywhere and it makes me think that michael and i put together a list and it sounds like you did to five ten fifteen titles no reference to paul schrader or the transcendental style films that influence him brisson ozo- dryer so many good quiet movie scene contenders definitely thought about those. They're obviously almost everyone. You mentioned his referenced in that in that chapter so definitely would have been a good direction to go to. Let's jump into that. Two thousand eighteen list with myself and michael philips and it all starts with the listener voicemail films telling jeff my loan for now michigan and just looking ahead to some quiet scenes. Be talking about an astrologer. We're going to talk about the scene. It's the first mission Seen of a suspended dissension into the cia vault. This scene had such an impact even with just the two or three like twenty seconds spans of complete silence I finally or call with just kind of all that For a beautiful moment. When i was in nursing you could hear a pin drop in a crowded theatre was just tom. Cruise upside down in a setting. That looks like maybe in the same dimension as as the bedroom from two thousand one. This scene is is great because it not only makes you stay quiet as of your For me for maybe for others. It makes you hold your breath because even you don't wanna be responsible for getting even hunt caught grades sugar. Thank you jeff. Been awhile since we've had a jeff contribution to the top five. We are sharing our top five quiet scenes tien of course with a quiet place and michael. I think there are a lot of ways we could come at this top five defining what we mean by quiet in this instance. Are we talking about scenes. That really have no sound at all. Except what might be happening in the scene no dialogue. No music talking about things that are just free of dialogue and maybe they have some score supplementing it. How did you approach it. Easy to talk about the things i left off. It didn't want to deal with any actual silent film. I didn't really care about this idea of no dialogue. I think some of the scenes i picked. you know. do have some dialogue. they're just just not the usual conventional amount. I'm often music hypersensitive. So in some cases films or scenes that are otherwise pretty quiet but have a pretty aggressive musical score. Don't really fit my definition of in and out in and out so but that that's basically the parameters pretty wide. Yeah no. I'm with you know silent movies. I didn't include any movies. That had no dialogue entirely and there aren't that many choose from but a movie like the tribe that came out recently has no dialogue at all. And i also try to avoid movies that are mostly dialogue free movies. That rely on visuals way more than they relying on sound and on talking amongst the characters so a movie like the tree of life for example is one. I probably didn't really consider three iron. The kim ki duk film elephant. Even jacques teti playtime and then there are these other movies that are really about loneliness and isolation so there's not a lot of talking whether it might be something like cast away or all is lost. Redford film even the ones that take place in space. Two thousand one not a lot of talking great film. Also in the pantheon so not eligible solaris not eligible eligible for me. It's eligible for you michael. Because i'm not. I'm not here every week. Every play by our rules day. Pass to the pantheon. Exactly another film. We both love. I know nouri bill jay lawns. Once upon a time anatolia. I think is is already a film that relies a lot on silence so having certain scenes that really stand out because of ardor yeah choose. I didn't really pick many of those. Another good example would be something like brisson. Zimmerman escaped run entire film based on. Its sound design and the lack of dialogue so tried to pick movies that are maybe more traditional. And how they use sound and how they incorporate dialogue but have these really standout moments and scenes. I also just randomly sort of decided. I wasn't gonna go with any bergman films. Not that they're not fantastic. But there's just so many to choose from the silence. Traumatized by by some sort of taciturn swede youth. No i love these phelps. I love almost all these bergman fellows. But i just decided. There's not a single taciturn swede traumatized do now one final bit set up here a great scene the gets at something you talked about when we were reviewing a quiet place. That's a film that you said yes relative to a lot of other films. It's a quiet movie but to say it's quiet is a little bit misleading. Because there are a lot of jump scares and there are a lot of loud noises and the score is pretty prominent. Something like the miller's crossing boy seen that we talked about during our real dialogue dialogue. The danny boy music obviously machine. You got so much noise there but it is a scene. That's dialogue free so probably eligible for lists like this and i certainly did consider it but didn't actually include it so with all that said we're going to jump in your number five quiet scene okay. North by northwest. I'm starting very famous. Okay the the crop duster scene. This is a scene where cary grant has been told to meet his this mysterious operative. George kaplan who. He's been mistaken for out somewhere two and a half hours outside chicago in a cornfield in the middle of nowhere in indiana. of course it's actually near fresno california but so be it so this scene which is really epic in length. Because it's like seven. Eight minutes has very little dialogue. And has no music by bernard hermann whose music you tend to notice when it's there it doesn't have any music for from him until the very end of the scene when the plane actually crashes into the oil truck but for most of that picture. It's a fascinating contrast to the entire rest of the story and the swirl of improbable craziness that hitchcock in earth's lehman the screenwriter of cooking for us. And i just love the way it does things visually that really bring out the lack of conventional sound and music and that you have my favorite shot in that whole crop duster scene before the plane is cary grant on one side of highway. Forty one and malcolm atteberry playing the you know this. This farmer with five lines Dialogue on the other side of the highway. And that's a beautiful use of wind screen because all you see is desolate. V highway in two men look at each other wondering if they need to strike up a conversation. It's like an epic moment. Out of samuel beckett practice but it's samuel beckett if he wrote for hitchcock's so i love i love. I love the car. i've looked at the scene. How many times. Since i saw for the first time as a teenager i don't know a hundred and it still has a lot of real magic and power end kind of unsettling black humor to hitchcock and i love the hitchcock had to be referenced somewhere on this list. We'll let you just. did it. Good checking that box. Rear window vertigo. Great films the birds you choose from a lot of scenes. My number five is the scene from the end the climax of the silence of the lambs the great jonathan demme film when claris is being stalked by buffalo bill in the basement of his house. This is the scene that starts with jodie foster clarice entering the house and it's all her point of view basically we see what she looks at the last shot before the lights go completely black. It's her seeing a decomposed body in a bathtub and then when that cut to black happens the next thing we see is buffalo bills through those green night vision goggles and now we're looking at clarisse and then for the next two minutes. It's this silent cat and mouse game with bill and us really as the viewer being the cat. And of course clara's the mouse and there are occasional cuts back to his face. Those straight on demi close ups that were so used to accept here. We're not able to see his eyes ragging straight on at those goggles and mostly it's a great scene in it so effective jeff talked about the mission impossible scene and kind of holding your breath on behalf of the characters. That's how i feel watching this scene from the silence of lambs. Were in this terrifying position of hearing. Clara's terror her breathing and we identify with that. While also being in the more comfortable position. I suppose of being the stalker who has the advantage of site. Demi keeps us all in that position and then it sound that literally triggers the climax. That happened he tries to cock a gun to shoot at her that alerts per to his position and throughout the whole scene. There is some score. I had to turn this up really loudly to here today. Michael but for those two minutes. There's just the slight calm. That i think is a demi to the scene but it's really subtle. It's barely there kind of just adds to the mood of it. And then it's amplified when detention really increases demis. Just a master overall certainly a master with sound and a master of not using sounds right. I still remember what the audience sounded like in ninety one when i saw. That picture was out visiting a friend of mine in seattle. And i think it was up there on a work assignment but That was it was a peculiar mixture of horror. Movies shrieks realized they had to settle into this scene. That was going to spin out. Another miniter drinks and is conflicted as i am about silence of the lambs. Unlike you apparently. Let's not talk about it here. Another show but Yeah but it. That scene was was fiendishly effective. Yes still as well. Let's see how effective your number forest There will be blood opening long long long sequence and really several different sequences we see daniel plain view. Daniel day lewis. This is the very beginning of the twentieth century and see plain view down in the mine shaft and just struggling against the elements and it's very tight confined space antics of a really beautiful and kind of frightening fall down the shaft and injures himself and we just see him. He kind of turned into real animalistic. Way it's sort of like fighting the elements in his own pursuit of wealth and none of it is conveyed in words. A lot of it is conveyed in jonny greenwood's music s and it breaks my own rule about picking a scene for this list. That has a really aggressive miserable soundtrack Scoring going on. But but it's too late typical and it's too damn good ignore greenwood's music's great and and it just i. It's probably my favorite film of the first decade of the country. It still is but it was at one time and that scene is really never even topped in the movie itself. But he's got no one to talk to you so there's no reason for them to speak anyway but it's really just about. His actions is determination. He's a man of few words. It's it's a wonder that entire opening sequence in that entire film. My number four is going back to nineteen seventy four francis ford coppola very famous. Pick the end of the conversation. The bug hunt gene hackman stars as harry call. He is a surveillance expert and he got some guilt over an incident that occurred with the previous job where some people that he was following got hurt. We don't really hear a whole lot about that as i recall. It's been a while since i've seen the movie. Now he's been hired on another job that he has some doubts about and he's worried that something like that may happen again and as this whole situation sorts itself out and he learned some things maybe he would be better off not knowing at the end of the movie we see him. He's a jazz guy. he's just kind of playing a saxophone in his apartment and he gets a phone call and there's the line that is the last line of the film to call off. Don't get any further and then for the next two minutes. We see hackman in total silence moving throughout his apartment searching everything turning it all upside down for a bug because on the phone they played back to him saxophone playing so he knows that they somehow actually you have him wired and when he turns up nothing initially he gets more serious. The score actually shifts to david shires piano tinkling. And then there's a third shift in the scene where we now see his apartment totally decimated which seems to be this reflection of his state of mind. It's total chaos disarray. the music also reflects that it's now the piano is not the tinkling that we're getting before but someone seemingly raking their hands over the strings on the piano and are some great subtle touches throughout the whole sequence. We know that he's got some guilt of course about his profession. There's an early scene where he's confessing to priest and in the early part of the scene he's looking in or under everything he can find. There's this bookcase with a bunch of items on knickknacks. One of them's the virgin. Mary and he stops there and he doesn't do anything. He doesn't desecrate the mary statue. Anyway but he comes back in the second part and it's the only thing left on the shelf and he hesitates and ponders at for a second and then just totally destroys coppola. There and walter merged the great sound designer here on the conversation. They amplify that because the score completely goes out at that point and we just get the sound of that statue shattering as he hits it repeatedly so it just punctuates the the relative serenity of the scene with that noise and it really seems to be the launch of his descent his willingness to even break that statue in that moment. He's now kind of abandoned everything. This is a movie. A lotta times gets lumped in with watergate coming out nineteen seventy four and seeming so timely. This notion of surveillance and there's an article that came out on slate a few years back that a link to in our show notes if anyone wants to read it at spotting dot net. It concludes like this which was worse the violation of his privacy or that he was out bugged possibly by someone. Better for coppola quote. The tearing down of the room was synonymous with a kind of personal tearing down rooted in harry's overwhelming guilt in the end it occurred to couple of that he hadn't made a quote film about privacy. Is he had set out to do ba. Rather a film about responsibility and that sense finally the conversation was not about nixon at all but what the age of nixon had taken away. And i think a lot of ways. That's why it's still a very timely movie. It's about a lack of faith in these institutions. It's about a lack of responsibility. A lack of faith in yourself as an individual and those around you got a real existential chill to and and know. It's i think it holds up much better than a lot of the paranoid thrillers of the same time. Three days of the condor and other things because because coppola cooked up the idea for the conversation years before watergate. And there's something there's something about it that worked then worked. God knows it. Work during the watergate era and it still works now because it's also known could play a recessive character more. Interestingly than gene hats tra and the one time i interviewed hackman wave background hoosiers time he was still beating himself up about not being enough of a draw to get people a mainstream audience to give that movie try really. Yep got actor coppola's year. That was the same years godfather part. Two which is better than for per one i mean in the conversation may even be greater than that so. That's too great films for all right. Well we've mentioned four pretty good film so far in our top five quiet scenes and michael ready for your number. Three or three is steve mcqueen's film twelve years. A slave in the most striking passage in it is where twitter for as solomon northrop is lynched and left to hang in this plantation down in louisiana. And it's a long long take. He's got his rope He's got the rope around his neck and he's struggling to remain on tiptoes so he does not actually hang himself and he's left there for an entire day all this time. Life is going on all around and we see the plantation slaves. Going about their business trying not to care. We hear the birds in the trees. There is no and this is how the editor put it. There is no quote friendly cut. That would let the audience off the hook as in so many other scenes like this whether it's a slave narrative whether it's an actual lynching scene or not you don't you are never ever asked just simply sit there calmly or as visually it's a com comes in middle distance shot and we see it happen and it's going on and on and we and you actually begin to think this is not fiction in fact it wasn't fiction because it was true slave narrative but this is not a dramatization. I feel closer yet. I want to get out of it in a much more urgent. And and sort of media way than i ever experienced and none of it felt exploitive or cheap or like a like a gimmick. I just simply felt like it was all these decisions combining to make you lean and listen at the same time you turn the lean out and stop it from happening. It's really something else. Yeah it's a great pick and you're right a harrowing scene. My number three comes from film that we've discussed here on the show. Michael with you. A sacred cow discussion. A few years back. I think twenty twelve. Maybe even around the time of the release of lincoln. We talked about close encounters of the wind. And which seen there are a lot of options right you could go with among others berries abduction one of my all time favorite steven spielberg scenes and that entire sequence really works because of its mixture of sound and silence but the culmination of that scene. I love to win. That ufo finally disappears and the murray screams group tail off in the distance to and it's just eerily quiet but that's not the one. I'm going with mike actually going with roy's first. Ufo encounter the famous sequence. Oh it's great. So roy neary played by richard dreyfuss. He's out on this idyllic midwestern night. He's an electric linemen in indiana. He's lost out in. The country stops along. These train tracks gets his map out. And you hear the crickets chirping and that's about it then. This ufo appears behind him. We see it but notably don't hear it and he doesn't either. He just assumes it's a car and motions for them to go around them the mailbox start rattling and then there's this moment this amazing moment when the light shines on him them from above the and when that happens there's that sound effect you just made i just. I think you were the sound effects. Guy the fully artist. If you will that phil. But then after that their silence and i was turning up today to try to hear it and there there might be this slight hump. There's just this. The slight hamas the truck is bathed in that global otherwise feels like silence and just bit of quiet makes it even more other worldly unnatural and then we get his breathing in the ship is over all that digested sound of everything going crazy within the truck and it just stops and we'll get silence again maybe a frog. I think that we hear than a dog bark. And then the crickets return and everything seems to be back to normal. Except of course things will never be normal again for roy and that final moment the the just the the beautiful finale of that scene is he looks up and it's a huge ship now going overhead and it too is barely making sounds. It seems as close to silence as we could get on that night with that ship going over the top of our. You could argue that his great two minutes spielberg's ever made and i think for the reasons. You're absolutely and tellingly. John williams music shut the hell up. You not to be heard. He knew i am sure spielberg had a saying this. He knew when to back off and literally get outta the way. Yeah yeah you're number two. My number two is The film that probably the fewest listeners may have taken the three hours twenty one minutes to actually watch but shantelle ackerman's john dieleman. Man mean you're gonna shame me with a pack and this is this is this is my one. You know high brow. Pick okay so the whole film is basically a three hour and twenty one minute moment of intense solitude an isolation and in many ways quietude it's it's it's a film that just simply rides and falls on the daily routine of a middle aged widow as she makes the beds cooks dinner for her son and then as the as the scenes developed turns the occasional trick. Okay so this is how she's dealing with financial and maybe grief matters right. The film is an absolute crafty feminist manifesto. about what. What can happen when you when you fall into this routine and confine a woman to this sort of life. It's deadly methodical. but then halfway through ackerman's film at the end of the second day of this routine. The woman puts money from a customer in a jar but does replace the lid very unusual for her potatoes. Still there overcooked. This is a crisis. A fork hits the floor. And i remember i remember seeing this thing for the first time in the early eighties at the walker center. Minneapolis and when that four hit the floor it was like this sort of like catastrophe and it was just it was it was a killer. I'm never. I'd never experienced anything like that. I'd never seen anything like it before. And i still haven't seen one since like this and i don't know i think the film you can you can see. It's just the world's greatest thesis film and usually films that operate on one idea and one thesis or one very narrow aggressive tend to lose interest for me after. Maybe let's say our three goes by but this film to me is a three hours. I say three hundred twenty one minute moment. and it's it. I've never seen a film use a lack of human dialog or even just sort of conventional domestic sound. you know. I've never seen a film like a period. So well what did you why about. Gendelman manifesto the freezing widest feminist manifesto. You can imagine okay. Well i i think just a great companion to that my number two pick. Sergio leone was up to the same right with feminist. Yes it's so good on women. Yeah the opening. The waiting for harmonica sequence leading into the opening gunfight actually came from longtime listener a great writer and critic melissa tamminga who was also part of the spotting advisory boards. She said this scene might be too noisy. But the first that comes to mind is that opening screw was fun a time in the west and it is just such a joy to watch. I'm taking it from the beginning of the credits. When we first see those appear a seven minute sequence and at the risk of just cataloging. The noises we get. The wind is really the the most prominent actor in the scene and then the boots on the boards as a couple of these hit men. Three men sent to meet someone getting off a train. We hear them stepping. We hear the old windmill bleeding. Like a dying right. The slow rocking chair that a character is sitting in that. Even the sound of the telegram coming through drips of water trapped in the barrel of the gun. Everything about is just oddly menacing. Because it's so heightened and we're so attuned to every little sound and then the train appears we get the whistle that loud noise and finally the character there waiting for does appear. Charles bronson's harmonica and it sound. That really does kickoff. Because they're looking for this passenger. they don't see him. They start to walk away. The camera shows these three men in the foreground. They're facing us. They've turned their backs but then harmonica starts playing the harmonica for we see him back there as the train passes before they do. They hear that sound. They turn around. And then the first dialogue that occurs about eight minutes into this film ringo hosby cyclist shot one horse erode to too many finally the burst of violence. We've been waiting for them. The burst of noise followed by that windmill again. It all comes back to that windmill sound. I just saw this movie probably about ten years ago. Michael was one of those real blind spots for me that fall spotting listeners when they were saying. I can't believe you haven't seen this movie. They were trying to included in so many top. Fives and i hadn't seen it. And i knew from those. I eight nine ten minutes. That i was going to be hooked. Am i remembering this ray. Where jack elam basically waging the sort of many battle with the fly. Yeah right exactly yeah. That's a great great detail. In and i think jack elam and close up is not a newbies idea of quiet but but yet it's silent tarantino's has been trying to trying to trying to fill pauses. Leone does and try to stretch things out in sort of this Conscious artful way the way he'll never he'll eat just doesn't have it in them. I'm here to dismiss tarintino okay. I'm not here to validate your choice. Which is excellent. Okay well thank you. Let's hear your number one. It's so damn predictable. I couldn't i didn't want to. It's two thousand one. A space odyssey. Great when hal takes care of astronaut. Frank poole when he doesn't want to deal with him anymore you know. He did the questioning. The his paranoid side is coming out and he just ended at horrible wonderful tragic comic moment where he snips the the the cord the the umbilical cord and there goes frank floating in this really chilling way just floating off to his death and the scene is long like the kubrick as that sadistically prolonged way about him in so many scenes like this throughout his career. But as this man soundlessly floats to kind of an awful you know just quiet death It's it's it's still the best thing in the in the part of that of that confounding picture that even if you struggle against a lot of two thousand and one everything to do with how is so conventionally gripping yes because it is it is it is a human against machine and for now you know machine. It's machine seven human zero. And i just love every aspect the technique there are there are flourishes in two thousand and one. That look dated. Now you can talk about the stargate sequence. You can talk about a lot of things but to me. It's always going to be kubrick's final great film. I don't think he made a great film after. And i think that scene as his greatest anything in it well. It's hard to match up to two thousand one a space odyssey. It's just that good of film. It's a great pick. And i know we joked earlier. It's in the film spotting pantheon. We are exempt from day. You get to go ahead and include that movie and that's only fair of me to say because quick note on last week's show we got a tweet from a listener named neil who pointed out to me that on the show with tasha robinson. We are five movie. Oh maggio's list inspired by ready player. One i had all over stones baton toss in the parade sequence at the beginning of born on the fourth of july As my number five it's a direct reference to the dawn of man sequence right up in the air right well two thousand one of course in the pantheon means these films that we've put away. They're so good and such good choices for most five that they're not eligible for these less. I included it so neal called me out. I feel bad about that. Now i'm gonna call myself out. Michael i did it twice spike. Lee's do the right thing. Also in the pantheon But i included. It's tonight of the hunter the love and hate speech twice last week. I certainly can't call anyone else out for cheating okay. Confession is good for the soul. It is my number one quiet. Seen probably the most obvious choice. I've listed but for good reason just like two thousand one. I don't think you can talk about quiet. Seen certainly dialogue free scenes in movies without talking about jewels deaths rafiki the extended high sequence. The robbery which is somewhere between twenty four and thirty minutes depending on who you're reading. I haven't got out the the stop. Watch there and i know for a fact. The josh feels bad about not being here for this list. Because i'm pretty sure it would be his number one. He actually wrote about rafiki and this sequence in his book. Movies are very so he can't be here. I'm gonna. i'm gonna quote josh. She says often. We don't realize the power of sound and cinema until it's completely taken away one of the films that comes closest to doing this and sustains the conceit for a good twenty four minutes is one thousand nine hundred eighty five refused a french crime drama. The movie centerpiece sequence is the elaborate heist of a jewelry store which four burglars break into through the ceiling of the apartment above as the thieves enter the dark apartment and the music fades away. Our eyes and ears instantly. Come to attention. We're going to need them more than usual as the camera. Pans the room following an ash. Light beam we both peer. And listen more closely. We watched the hand signals given and try to interpret the meaning of the low occasional whistles. Thieves share trying to follow their plan. When one of the suitcases they've brought is open. We really zero in on. What's inside slippers. So they will make even less noise from their rafiki suttles into quiet contemplation of the process of the heist. The careful laying out of the tools needed the chiseling through the floor muted by cloths. One of the thieves is devised. Once a hole in the floor has been made an umbrella slipped into the store below an open from the apartment above why too softly catch the falling debris so doesn't crash to the stores floor giving them away time continues to pass both too slowly in too quickly as the thieves are under strict deadline. In every second is a risk when one of them accidentally hits a key on the piano and the apartment the others pause and dramatically frown the sound disrupts were become a holy place. It's a wonder it's staggering. It was a sequence. I discovered during a spotting marathon back. I don't know somewhere around two thousand seven or two thousand nine we did great heist movies and this one was a must watch. And it's certainly paid off. I saw an interview with dan on youtube. Where the director said these are professional guys who work in silence. Noise is an enemy. And it's as simple as that they don't need to communicate they can do it through their actions. They're so comfortable working together. They have such a good plan that they don't need to make any sound and of course in this case they really can't afford to make any sounds. We heard jeff milo at the beginning of this top five talking about mission impossible absolutely ripping on the way though in a really great way because i also really like that scene and i think whether or not we would consider it an image it makes me think of will. Michael man does in a robbery scene. A key robbery scene in heat from nineteen ninety five. I believe another great candidate for this list. Because they know when the house is going to happen it's de niro and his crew and pacino and his crew of cops are staked out across the street in the back of a semi truck. And they're being as quiet as they can be to not let on that. The police are watching them. And they're waiting for them to come out with the loot until they come out. They can't really bust them for anything they can't bust them for attempting the robbery and a cop. Who's just a cop. He's not a professional. On level of the other professionals that man introduces us to he. Accidentally goes to of sit down removes and he makes a sound his his belt is gun belt or something hits the back of the semi and it makes a noise and deniro. Here's it and he's on them. That's all he needed was to hear that one. Little sound just like a quiet place. Deniro's the extraterrestrial. Yes they managed to get out of there so heat. I think man probably paying a little. Bit of omar's they're alluding to rafiki and part of that interview. Michael we've talked about composers a little bit here and that instinct whether to use music or not but in that interview. The director mentions that his composer said. I'm going to score this. I'm gonna give you a score. And he says. I don't want any sound. I don't need music for it. He goes now. I'm going to do it to save you just just to give you a backup because i don't think it's probably going to work. And then they screened it with the music and without and the composer said no music bad news. I don't use the music. go with the version with. Yeah and the opposite thing happened. When bernard hermann and hitchcock we're working on psycho because hitchcock said this is dead quiet and it was a different kind of of stark ineffective but then they played that music and yeah hitchcock was like i couldn't have been more wrong. Are our top five quiet scenes. We'd love to hear your picks you can email us feedback at spotting dot net. Michael any honorable mentions any others. That haven't come up with first one. That comes to mind because i adore the film. And i love. I love this. This is just a scene. I've always cherished his in. The black stallion carol ballots. Nineteen seventy nine film on. Kelly reno is. The young stranded. Boy was on this deserted island with the with the arabian horse From walter farley's book and it's it's a long sequence where they simply have to kind of get to know each other in this difficult circumstances and the boys trying to figure out a way to communicate and befriend the horse and eventually comes on him trying to feed them and then successfully feeding them and then writing them and that film is just two or three minutes like i've never seen and it. It was the work of a truly free filmmaker who was came out of documentaries and they were shooting on the island of malta. A long way from the studio nobody. Nobody was there to interfere. They shot for days and days. Got all the footage they needed and then some and You see film now. I wish. I wish i could see it again for the first time. Because i saw that film. I was well into my jaded early twenties and i just came out of this sort of gog eight year old. You know and i don't like you. I don't even care about horses. You know i don't i never you know it's not. I don't horse lower and horse when we didn't speak to me particularly but i just that scene in that film i just. That's the one that comes to mind for so what you're saying is before next week's top five here on the show animal companions in movies. I'm going to have to watch the black styling oil. Yo-yo josh is a big fan real. Hardship doesn't watch a great film. You know i've already dreaded well. A couple others that are mentioned. Few have already been said. There will be blood the opening scene that you had michael no country for old men waiting in the dark and the hotel room. The orphanage this is a scene. I've talked about a lot on this show with me but the saints is a great pick to really creepy but actually i'm thinking of the one two three at the door secret end of the film. I i've talked about before. And i'll link to it in the show notes if you want to check it out but really just terrifies me. And i'm glad. I watched it today in broad daylight classics though that have some of these great uses of silence in movies. Mike also mentioned three from last year. They've all been touched on the show. The end the end credits of me by your name watching. Oh timothy no-dialogue there the crackle of the fire and great all good music as well suzanne stevens. I think we're getting at the end of that dunkirk. The plane in the air of the plane finally out of gas just coasting. They're at the end and the moment in the last jedi that so effectively uses the absence of sound that some movie theaters had to put up a sign. Warning people that yes we know the sound goes out for ten seconds. It's not a problem it's quite long. It's many seconds but yeah it is and yet the second time i saw it. I'm like this must feel like forever. It went by really quickly. I can't believe people actually complained about it but it's so stark. It is so striking it cuts out completely in this big action moment. It's a really wonderful choice. People are dumb. Yeah i mean. I think we should end on that ever again. Those are our top five quiet scenes. we'd love to hear your pixar. Email feedback at film spotting dot net. I'd say to leave a voicemail but it'd have to just be silence heavy breathing on the end and really. I don't want to be a meaningful nod which we won't hear. No you just heard our top five quiet scenes. I mentioned that from that list was going to go into the film. Spotting pantheon and it is michael phillips number. Two shantelle gene dieleman josh. We listened to that top five or listened perhaps earlier today or not in prep for this show. But i was very curious about one thing and that was how did i handle the transition. Out of michael vick of john dieleman because of course back in two thousand eighteen. I had not seen that film. It was a blind spot when we recently remedied when we did our overlooked oh tours marathon last year and i am usually one who's not shy just admitting when i have a blind spot. I'm not that embarrassed. Even john deal when was may be my number one most embarrassing blindspot. I'll cop to it but you really heard me quickly kind of just transition right into my check instead of acknowledging that i hadn't even seen it and i am so grateful that we did that marathon that we saw that masterpiece and that never again do. I have to be even slightly embarrassed or ashamed. That i haven't seen it and i don't have to quickly change the topic when it comes up. Not only i seen john millman. I love it and i think it belongs in. The pantheon totally agree. Yeah you you did the. Let's quickly move along here track. We both employed that from time to time. Yes we have and with that. We now begin the ceremony the music that accompanies any new. Pick into the pantheon. Do the honor sam. What is this your farewell speech goal home. Farewell to the troops going on going with a good trip. I feel good about what we just did. I'm really glad john deal is now officially in the pantheon. I've just looking at the pantheon list here and seen what the last film before john deehan was that we put in. Because we've been doing it with sacred cow reviews and the like lately but yeah. I do think it's been a while. So this is a good one to get us back to Taking care of the pantheon being being better custodians of the pandemic. that's the word we do. Need to be. Better pantheon custodians. Hopefully we are on our way. Those are our top five quiet scenes we would love to hear your picks email us feedback at film spotting dot net. You can also find us on twitter. I'm at film spotting. Michael phillips is at phillips tribune. Josh is that larson on film. And that's our show josh. It is if you want to head over to the shore. Five on film dot net. You could find reviews interviews top five's going back to two thousand five. You can also vote in the film spotting poll. What is the best movie musical of the twenty first century to order show t shirts or other merch visit film spotting dot net slash shop. And you can subscribe to our weekly newsletter at film spotting dot net slash newsletter out on digital this weekend plan. B the description after a regrettable for sexual encounter a straight laced. High school student in her slacker. Best friend have twenty four hours to hunt down a plan. B. pill in america's heartland that's the directing debut of actress. Natalie morales it's on hulu in wide release. You can see cruella. Emma stone is in it and the thompson. A few other people not named emma. I'm not. I'm not sure of that. Josh is at the case. I mean i don't know here's what i would ask you and you don't have to answer now adam but i bet if i i'm actually going to put this on twitter so it'll be out by the time people are listening to this show. I'm gonna give you two minutes and you come up with an origin story for cruella deville. I guarantee you in two minutes. It will be more rational less convoluted and more emotionally sensible than what they have concocted for this thing. It's just it's out -rageous. I'll leave it at that. I'll give you one word right now. Why why that's that's my only. That's my only. The option wasn't bail on the assignment atom. You're you're never gonna make it in hollywood that way. No you're right. 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Anna (Luc Besson; 2019)

Russophiles Unite! Movie Podcast

1:20:30 hr | 1 year ago

Anna (Luc Besson; 2019)

"I might valley. And this is the roost falls unite podcast where we watch Russian films and films with the Russian connection action as always. I'm joined by guest and this time around once again joined by Lim. Hello back the time between the last episode recorded with you in the one before that was about a year nine months maybe you now. It's been a week. Yes so it's it's very very irregular. Also your back and and wearing black so that's yes. I'm backing wearing black. Despite it being normally summer yeah did a little Tony Anyway we're also in a black car. Yeah it's a slightly different version. Mm than the last time we were causing the columbine too late Yes yeah it's it's a long time already is over goodness as it was February or something. I remember being a lot colder than it is today. Yes it I think it was fab all or March. It was pretty soon. After we recorded the pilot. Where are the other side of the Zayn Compaq that was more people because as earlier in the day? Yeah so we polge is Any weird background unconscious while they doing. Yeah breath yet. But I'm figuring if you're a regular listener you're pro is not listening to a stunning audio quality. You'll have the content. Yes half of the sweet sweet content. Yes which we will deliver now Yes why we're here. We're GONNA film reason that we will say hey less time. Yeah because that is the rubbing just you know. They're quoting the car for the sake of pancakes. hobhouse exactly. Yeah the nominal aim of the of the podcast. So Wall we watching today. Lynn is honor. Honor how'd you pronounce an pulling more of an honor withdraw rather much except it. Looks look spot and it's directed by League press on. It was a guy that I generally like the movies off. Even though it turns out my most people in the industry immature white men he might would be slightly blocks it. Oh is he done stuff. I don't you think of like Harvey Weinstein level right but yeah anyway. I think Oh you have money to make this phone. Because didn't the Larry bankrupt him and his company I didn't know that level of detail. I know it did not do very well. I cassia out quite liked. It was it was. I mean this is the thing. I've not seen all of his films by any means but I've seen in quite a few and it's fair to say the the adjective Baroque might be applied to them. which I I like to think that I don't enjoy that but if I'm honest I kind of I kind of admire the? Throw everything at the screen approach. So I thought Valerian was Tauch rush but like with fish fish element the fish element element. Yeah it was it was a sequel to a fish called Wanda Finding Finding Nemo there. And so there was. There was the Fish called Wanda Fisher element and then there was Valeri in in the city of this is working. Anyway you'll floundering. Is this under ring. Ring Unim- based on Sunday. 'CAUSE Valerian based on a series of comic strips. Yeah I'm as far as I know no I have to get this quibble quibble out of the way because I'm a relentless pattern Ryan certain things so with the posters for this they have very nice symmetrical. Because it's the name of the film is just Ana they have. I N backwards N. A. Because because everyone knows backwards is a Russian latter straight up. The problem is what looks like a backwards and so that it mirrors with normal not Latin. Yes thank you because everyone knows. Latin is the default alphabet and all other variants. I somehow less legitimate. Not that terrible person. Uh Having said that the Latin add it mirrors the Latin the Lassen an but the Russian sound that it makes is a long e. Not So this film. If you'll like a ferocious pattern it should be Aena or any A- I'm kind of hoping that they have run with this. We'll get in there and everyone pronounces her name Nia. Yeah which is not really a Russian name there's Yeah this is a slight bug back In fact I'm not the only person who feels this because there is a twitter account the I forget the exact handle but the slogan is no phosa relic because over say. Anything that's mildly. Russian themed will press various Erlich letters into service as the thing they most resemble the last one alphabet and frequently that is not what they actually sound like. So I thought again out of the way I've just noticed as a child. Walking in front of this Cup is wearing a Russian esque the hand even though his way too hot for any kind of thoughts. Yeah I feel like this is a a style choice. Even though he's way too young to you'd think to be making that source of either statement but I don't know what what point I I'm just looking at coincidences. That tie-ins is that kind of hat. As as a SHOPCO Shankar. Nice job announced that. I'll go on show to Shankar Shabka shopkeeper who Shankar shopco Shankar this sorry for clipping their It it to be explicit. I get jerk now of course if I watched the pronunciation of Shinka or I'm saying wrong. This is all going to go in the trash so in the. Yeah yeah there is like a general life. The hat okay. Yeah I don't know who Shankar is Russian listeners. Right in what was it. What's the derivation? Gives the etymology right. Now attorney say I have seen I have seen this film a couple of screen shots okay. It looked like it's going to be a sort. So it's like folk code wolfing. Yeah I'm not sure about the setting. I have seen the trailer a few times. And it's like Kinky fine t so this the Giora of espionage film this espionage espionage espionage slash action as opposed to espionage espionage way creeping `round buildings and that might be an action scene. But it's not the main point you know this isn't like bridge of spies or whatever okay. The last Career Watch tink data so just by day yet. This is not that Nova. Okay Good Phil Connection. 'cause the main guy in it was in the fifth element. Yeah Very tenuous yeah. I'm sure I remember. I didn't I haven't seen that since since the cinema actually riches it's gone on for quite eleven I think. Yeah that was the time where Gary Oldman was like the full to be the winning. The Oscar lend didn't quite again this right. He's played some strange roles. Of course. Yeah I was. I was forgetting us in fifth element because he just does does not look. He's knowing this one and sadly August is pointing make a cameo. They're also. There are a couple of famous people in in this. I haven't even read the costliest. I'm so proud for this. How are you? I'm always prepared by not knowing any drops in and having to think eaten in whatever way through the end of the mission as regulars spoilers maybe Kilson people. Yeah Yeah I have like. I said I've seen the trailer and it looks very early on. I feel similarly unprepared in the. I haven't seen any of the John Wick movie. I know I know. Take my film. podcast away from me right now. I also haven't seen atomic blonde. I think atomic blonde is okay. Haven't seen thrown it is K.. And lots in flight eighty s central. I have not seen three despite team on sky. uh-huh Yeah I. I need to see them. And I'd like that Responds Unite Folder. The you know the Russian gangsters say bobby you are a bunch of times. They do that. I think they actually setup you go. She's the correct pronunciation rather than bobby the young too realistic and Acura. I mean why would they not. Yeah I am discounting going to be in this film sadly no but in terms of famous Amos people who are in it bringing it back around We have Helen Mirren Vice. And we also have Kilian Murphy. Okay so they they wanted to be in it yeah of yet. If I'm Kelly Murphy isn't playing someone's like creepy. I have a feeling he may be slightly creepy and I've never seen him like woman friendly and lovely. No but maybe he will be. I'm sure he's not creepy real life. Sorry Kelly Murphy listening some some news will break break between now. And you'll have to edit this out. Yeah and like record. In a completely different audio environment we totally condemn for forbidding a terrible person. He shouldn't be in movies anymore. That killed things. Yeah I also again as we seem to do this. When you're the guest I confess to not having seen movies yet. I haven't seen Leon which is serve I. I'll know which is like the the definitive Vessel Film if element is the difference of the vessels. Oh Yeah but I think Eli Leonis probably like the woman that people will say. It's actually good but is is a while since I've seen it. Yeah I mean in in a world big budget movies off. Aw reboots or continuations. All Pov extended universe vaccinates a Standalone Story With its own world. And what not. That's something I liked about fifth element which is from long ago and going back to the Larry and I liked the fact that that was okay. Yes it wasn't adaptation of another media but it wasn't just like we're GonNa take characters who the whole audience is familiar with so I kind of admire that going not direction. I thought the cost was a bit too young. Valerian melt this Valerian podcast but having read the Comex uh carry especially Valerian themselves like. Everyone seemed like that was so at teenagers. GotTa go yeah. It was fun while we're talking about. Would you guess. Would you recommend Valerian. Yes and the comic book yet. Definite recommended comic book is we. It's I I've heard the the I forgotten forgotten characters named the May beside Alaron The main female Caroli- lower ally. That is that shouldn't be forgettable name because I'm a big hill. Moguls Fan okay. Let's go the first few seasons all with checking out cool does go very silly towards the end. I mean it's silly all the way through everybody's like enjoyable silly to begin with and then it kind of runs out steam a bit over. They take him out with the Because the Comex Valeria and Laura Orley okay. They renamed the film Yes. I'm hoping reissues of English translations comics off. The film was announced interesting testing this for like owning all correct copyright type. I don't know I just seems to me. Like maybe it was sexist thing either. I just suit with Yeah Anyway yes I think the much history comex but the evolution of like American style comex on the French style comex alike apparently quite distinct Okay and not necessarily well I was gonna say something really snoopy that was going to say. Well clearly American would never invoice Well what what I mean by that is. That's probably more French. Rt See people who read English than American people who read French that does seem likely seems true but yes apologies to French Canadian Yemen. Yes yes yes so. That was Valeri. celerion minute by minute yes of just like the film or if the Comex Panel that that would be even more niche audience than this achievement. It was washing. The film was when apparently George Lucas Nix. Nick Slash adopted laws the festival and Comex Star Wars. Remember hearing the human bomb. Yeah Yeah if you read the first like couple of ones while of designs and stuff the quite similar I mean crystal nations fine. I'm not letting well that's what happens. Well off People Bari stuff. Yeah as as the quote. The I made up and definitely wasn't Oscar wild. How and borrows genius steals exotic? That's an original thought by me nineteenth century Anglo Irish guy. It's it's great Dane Memorial things. Wait London's Pasta. I've never seen I didn't know he was buried. I think he is but I think there's a memorial is one thing. Okay okay anyway squad. Latest gentlemen was a person who's never read the whole of wild thing I've re a bits of debris and a little bit of the Belarusian jail. I've never like a red during coaches cover to it cover but it was a long long time ago telling you all the movie of Dorian Gray was just not good. Yeah that was that was when I was going took Zimmer will the time just watching I mean could it be good anyway. I feel like we are straying with. Just run out of things to say about Analia. Yes Aena Asari India. Yeah We see the the Russian pilots doesn't have that problem because the Russian N. which looks like an H. each capital H. is obviously symmetrical so symmetrical soon more symmetry in lettuce yes slow flu on Capitol because also a couple of ages my research did include looking up the film on Nice the Russian film film sites Keno which means film search so the although Russian connection with this film. We're watching is that. The main actor actress lead Sasha loose and she is actually Russian Valerian as one of like the youthful ethereal alien creatures wood piles of the beginning but obviously issues in so much makeup slash. CGI No way you would recognize other than you know very skinny fair enough. So yes I'm I am. I think we're out of things to say about film we haven't seen yet we are. We GonNa see the film but what do we say at this point in the podcast. I actually almost. Ah That's good the as I was going to join the yes. Ducks slush Welsh. Oh doc slash Welsh as accidents. I mean they've lived in Holland. Sorry true neither Lund's hold this. Well well I mean I did live in Holland. Bet Yes right right. Yes I during the rookie thing using Holland for the whole day the Netherlands because I know it is strictly speaking not correct yep of the. BBC says it's okay. Football team discovered the day. Okay talking about the football team. Gotcha by isn't one of the The CHOMP system up so that was anglicized pronunciation yes better than yeah so yeah so yes in that context. Apparently it's allowed. We're learning so much sing so much. The yes so three. Do One really turn gardens and today and where back Lynn. And I have just watched the film honor enough. I'm getting the pronunciation a bit closer to the authentic Russian. This time I think so before we tell you what we thought of the film ELM. We're just going to have a quick summary from Lynn. So if you haven't watched it yet S- than this is when will have spoilers and if something that bothers you yes polls the podcast watch the film and then you can proceed on spoiled so with that out the way. I'm yeah they may be few spoilers down. The advantageous is because it was a little bit incoherent and annoyed. Sure I knew exactly what was going on but we have to go. I would you so it. It is. Nineteen isn't nineteen ninety ninety five because my timeline is confused. Anyway I think it might be nineteen ninety there in Moscow and then a lot of American agents get chased by D. and they all end again heads chopped off and sent to the CIA to be fair. We only see one decapitated -tated head in the box but it does. Yeah it just start out quite like ideas wise graphic because you just see the face aced through some like plastic. It's not like a gory like dripping heads. But it's just like a face staring out the box which you know doesn't have room for the rest of a person awesome. So it's yeah it's more like that's a horrible idea rather than you see huge amounts of goal exactly this kind of at a day. It's kind of setting up with a level of continue drama and they ever even come back to head. Bits are getting added myself that was Unintentional Pun. I Apologize AH UNINTENTIONAL OVER MY head way okay. Well continue with this summary. Summary Chop Chop Them Ray. I'm trying to remember the order of exactly what happens but then there is a French fashion guy and a market yes. uh-huh okay Moscow and there was beautiful while those dolls straker is not not the words. It's Mad Yoshiko. Thank you so slightly. Early Patronize Punch. Nice and Russian. So here she is selling these in marquette extensively. Yes as we've the later we never see actually selling but this French fashion model scout comes up to arms all beautiful. That wasn't even French. That was just terrible accent. Generic Foreign Jin never know cups. The West protectionist for this. They will sound the same do they. I'm but this bill and the Internet so anyway so she ends up in Paris. Having taken up. This scouts offer Banshee Museum. That is as you imagine the not quite the amazing experience that the scout promised. She's in the Shatt at flat. Everyone is everywhere on the floor and a bedroom and it should spend mass anyway skit for three months three months she is a fancy John. C Swanky D. and that's an older so middle-aged man he comes up to her and they stopped fled Tang and then they'd sites data and then we move forward a bit more if I'm going to say three months iconic whether it was but she thought that makes sense I think right actually. Yeah and she's talking to him and she's like oh I didn't I think about you what you do is like oh I smuggled arms so I'm just going to the bathroom I should do. And then it comes out eventually seven and it turns out that she was a spy Duh. FIS nobody would have guessed this Fraum Tom Raila or the you know promotional picture. That's the way it was a crazy. Twist it no because he's coming anyway. Flashback flashback to like five years and she is well looking same age I guess because they sometime but she's might be younger. It's one thousand nine hundred five and she's living in and a crummy flat in Moscow with abusive boyfriends and they go out and trump Golden ATM. Apparently it's the first ATM in Russia. Supposedly supposedly then she they get chased by police. She gets the flatten as mysterious guy. That is like come work for the KGB. Well I guess we'll kill you then I will. We'll she she. She says something like either. I accept your offer ofo or you're going to murder me right. And he's like Yup pretty much. I do a small one. And she's like raw. Yes then she useless slits arrest at his very. It's kind of shocking actually Yeah it's not graphic. There isn't many things in this film as particularly shocking. If when it Kinda wants to be more shock as actually quite shook in graphic and the camera lingers Bloods while she talks this guy anyway. He's it's like Don't waste your life because you could do great things you country whatever we need people like you so she is Vice Suede. It's so then she gets trains and by the KGB at her boss. Helen Mirren Today. Croissants realize that was Helen Daring but it was helen. Mirren is for skept Clova. I'm then this continues. In the meantime I expect until we got to the point where we see the plug as the Russian doll fella in this market so she can be picked up by the fashion agency Guy who is not in on this. He has just been manipulated into finding he was planted. That she fought an associate's Paris and kill this arms dealer. So we have a backstory. Sorry doesn't undercurrent in all of this that she would like to outlive the catchy that she saw this as a temporary thing she was specifically promised it was she was. Yeah was it five years and then you'll free to go and we'll give you lots of money and you'll just have a nice rest of your life. It turns out there was in one way outlook. Heb Not as heavily employee data Doesn't WanNa ever explicitly say I I love the head of the KGB dose point a pistol like right. Her foreheads a point and south. How Much K.? Point point tycoon. We're we're we're not in a on the business of of subtle messages here so as we discovered from the heads in inboxes earlier implied ahead. Yeah it's not super super cells by foam. Say She ooh Yeah Gang this next In slightly the room off because you see undertaking mission and then. There's a flashback. They explains it. I'm just going to explain the whole thing in roughly chronological say she has gone to emission In a hotel which has pretend to be a prostitute or an ESCO whatever and then Kahlil Hill another sleazy arms deal I guess but it turns out that the CIA. No she's a spy and this is going down and then they're in the room with this Guy Kacha and say you should come with us much weddings. KGB Jeez take out the head of the KGB. Because he's Jack I'm paraphrasing. He is a Jack. We're seeing it in some of the scenes. Say Yeah. ARISTA get longer K.. Before the sky go prices but now cutting people's heads off in sending right sending them to us exactly so then it says she takes on this and it also turns out that the current deputy head of the KGB Helen Mirren also doesn't like the head of the KGB did you be and she's kind of okay with this so the climax almost climaxes. The film is Outta going into the heads. The site Office playing chess with him. I'm Dan winning. And then she's trying to get the building. While she gets chased facebook rushing soldiers that will govern but it turns out. There's no easy way scout the CIA Utha and then kind of forgot what happens what happens then. Well how does the film. Oh she goes back to back to Paris. Yes and she's supposed to be meeting up with breath I'm been upon the park of course the KGB not pleased with the fact that she's put a bullet in the head head of the now former head of the KGB and so there's kind of a standoff in the the park tasks right she walks she walks off. I can't remember what she walks. Off with. I've forgotten the name of the maim Syria do but anyway she goes away and then Auger her immediate line manager puts several bullets. And we assume that's you know good night for her but it turns out on his Dunton. at turns out that she can go and have a nice kind of life. Sort of yes so it looks alright. Man's woman's well etc.. The things that we haven't mentioned is the there's tensions park because she's meant to be meeting to people Bocskai played by Sunday. Muffing pink and the other is her. KGB CO look Who she is hot a relationships at tests yet why this this this was the chap who recruited her in her scummy evil abusive boyfriends flat? To begin with who made the the promise of Oh. It's five years annual freeze bird so he lied to despite the evidence sexual tension between them I talking of I was GonNa say sex attention but it's not too much tension sexually. No no she has to say they don't leave things tents for very long because you know any tension attention is is pretty much acted on story away. Yeah there's not much I play. Film is allow tension so she also has a a girlfriend. This relationship is very badly developed. Ya Yes she meets this other model in the shed house in Paris near the the film and then they is implied they become go friends. They definitely Vince together. And it's implied like Armand Cycle sexy thing between them. Bet It's not really revisted. The Gulf Red is on. You believe that very occasionally when the film wants to show the as the most stakes yet maybe on and I have some desire for a normal life. Yeah maybe she seems Nice when she's not blowing people away yeah started is with us almost like a sub plot. It's not yeah I think that's that's about it. It's a little bit confused. Oh Yeah and one thing Listener you will have picked up is in the confusion is there's lots of time jumps. Yes there are love time jumps. I'm that will sign posts which is to make it clear But I didn't know I feel like they wanna be wants to be a bit edgy. Like oles this telephone in the non linear function makes more tense. But that's the surprising. The time jumps really make any difference you could have told it linearly and it would have been fine. Yeah I mean in terms of the so-called twists there. I wouldn't say I wasn't engaged enough to be trying to figure route was going to happen. Each thing that happened I wasn't like Oh my goodness didn't see that coming. Although I didn't explicitly certainly see it coming if you see it was just okay. That's another thing that happened but I think you're absolutely spot on it. It's it's a gimmick there isn't like like it's basically so you can reveal things you could hide things in order to get to reveal later which yeah it's it's it's just like time jumps can be done really well. I mean the classic one people talk about is pulp fiction which I haven't seen for years but I seem to remember that being pretty effective so it's not. It's not that it can't be done. Well it's just it's kind of a bit a bit point births. Yeah Yeah it's a bit pointless and I just thought it was like a bit of an affectation. Yes yeah what did you think all of the a tone. I mean you've kind of talked about a little bit and this is a pretty loaded question. I must admit it's about the place. Lightning quite decide. Decide what it wants to be like sets up particularly like a restricting scene but yeah like a sets up these kind of like Oh this this is grim. This is how it's like. This is a hard hitting film. That's tough to watch Shannon and you should care about these people because they have hot lives and everything is grim. But then there's also like just big like AQUI actions pieces like so Himself spy film at right like cliche which is not that it was not intrinsically bad. If you WANNA watch like there's a room with just by film that's that's just so actiony and and an fine but it doesn't really settle on what it wants to be ends a kind of gritty. It's divided made me care about Watson to the people in the other teams take. Yeah it was it was supposed to like and I I wondered what the whole likes exclusively boyfriend thing was doing the best. I can come up with as an explanation is it's showing us. She had this really terrible life. And that's I guess because it's pretty difficult for a Western audience to to identify with somebody who joins the the KGB. If they were just like they were just having a normal ish life Anna Kgb guy shows up and says want to join the KGB being like shore then it's like KGB horrible in evil and gross. So why would I like this person. But when it's a well he didn't give you any choice and you were like a drug addict suffering like physical mental verbal. I'll probably sexual abuse at the hands of this really nasty piece of work partner slash boyfriend. Yeah Yeah probably probably would take her take the although as we've established it seems like she'd rather just end the life than than choose that over. Yeah staying with the with the boyfriend and then also talked about the girlfriends because I felt like that was set up like semi well when she goes into the flats at. It's crowded in hectic and busy but you see and the the name of the girlfriends is it's more I think we discover a But they they both gave each other kind of Helo kind of look look at it see and it's very it's very mutual like it's yeah strongly you know there is an attraction. She's not doing it because his papa cover no it's just just like she actually thinks that mortars hot but it Kinda than totally walks that back like later on because anytime like Maude is trying to like. Get her into battle. Whatever she's just like I'm tired or I'm stressed out? I I need my my own space whereas you know later on in the film where she has the opportunity to get down to it with with either Alex who is her the KGB's you become a crusader or Kilian Murphy. It's like Yep gang roy onto it has no hesitation. I mean you could get while. She's mainly doing that. You know to kind of gain power over uh those guys robbed them being particularly into it actually is one of the dumbest things in the whole movie is her Alex. Getting down to it in a cupboard in the in the KGB building which is now whether yes so the Boya Yeah yes right before she is about to off ultimate boss. It's so it's just like That's probably not the best way of like not drawing attention to yourself Eh. I mean I don't know whether the the the walls inside Lubyanka just incredibly thick so no sound it can get out but it yeah it it was pretty stupid Can we talked about as saying that. They're outs definite anachronisms but also kind of tying into that like inconsistencies. Where in the past with her abusive boyfriend? Everyone speaking Russian and this ten to fifteen minute seton. Yeah and in the rest of the film everyone. Who's just speaking English and with various different accents yet with Various levels of commitment so the I mean the irony is in terms of when she's speaking in supposedly in Russian but to other non Russian actors us or to sorry. I should say non-russian actors because Sasha loose is is Russian. She doesn't speak with a particularly pronounced. Accent accent I mean I guess in real life. She's been speaking English for a long time. And therefore has you know a barely detectable accent whereas Helen Mirren in particular is like Philo. I am older. I'm your boss and I am a real hard us us and don't even try it. I mean she's having a lot of fun but it's I mean I think that just comes down onto. They hired a Russian speaking actor to play scummy evil abusive boyfriend and then they hi. It's a big name like Helen Mirren and then Luke Caverns is you know. He's been in some Hollywood films the reasonably big and yeah they got them for the name. So then you've got this inconsistency oh in passing listeners who've been with us for for a little while and if you've watched watch this film and also attraction which we covered the end law series you may well recognize the abusive boyfriend as that. Is The actor Alexander Petrov who is the horrible abusive boyfriend in that as well so apparently he's he Kabamba typecasting unless he surpassed isn't Yes so we have no reason to to believe that that. What's that is that is the case? But but certainly it seems like best song or the casting person saw attraction or when he's pretty nasty. Yeah we need him in this. So yeah so that is really weird. You have lease relatively lengthy scenes in Russian the auto uh gritty and then like he dies and then the other supposed Russians on a is interacting with not played by Russians in the Air Force has to be an English is just like maybe I shouldn't but it does take you out of it. Yeah it does he commit to being either. We're going to get one to speak Russian when appropriate or just have. Everyone speaks English all the time just all the time. Yeah I mean I. I thought although the misplaced in terms of the tone of the film overrule I thought those horrible. Ah The use of boyfriend scenes with pretty well done. I mean Alexander Petrov is he does a good job of being menacing and horrible roll. I almost want to versions of this film. Either that we as a result of the failing. Valerian doesn't have money to play with these days but I kind of wish she. She made it twice. Light one Chrissy serious take on the character at another one. That was just so I I yeah throwaway around exactly action spy movie and I think that would be interesting. I'm what we've got is like a mash up. The doesn't really work does not say that they would decent performances like a conflict by the performance. I still like a like everyone is fine. Yeah I mean Helen. Mirren is as I've mentioned Kinda chewing the scenery but that's quite fun to watch. Yeah that's kind of character in this film because he's not in any of the Grit Chia scenes no but it does establish that. She's supposedly pretty pretty ruthless. I mean going back to sorry. We've already covered this but going going back to the turn. That was a couple more things I wanted to to mention in terms of like the nastiness like with with the Jim Guy in the hotel in Milan that's ANA is supposed to be assassinating fascinating and then the CIA. Stop Sir with that. She then has to like this guy's finger got off because that's like the proof the Olga wants that she's dumb the date and also they need it for like for the fingerprint. It's and Anka. Big Deal is made of this cutting off the fingers so this guy doesn't die but Kilian Murphy is like well. If you you need the finger you need the finger and then on is like well you calm do it. I have to do it because there's a special kind of counts that the KGB HBO teach you to do when they're teaching you to people's fingers off and you know how to do it properly so I have to do it and it's just like that is quite a lot of attention to pay to quite grizzly. Yeah in this kind of sudden like oh we can have like a minute or like doc not that because for some reason yeah and then the other thing which is not nearly on the level of cutting. Somebody's finger off. Oh and that's where it just because because Kelly Murphy's like yeah fine and the the guy who I thought was a German diplomats. Okay rather than steeler. I mean I may have gotten that you may mostly right. I thought the first guy was. I'm seeing the be right. Yeah Yeah And he was like. This isn't what I agree to and Kelly is Well it's what's happening to you so so dead right. You never actually says that. But that's the stratification. So yeah so his finger gets taken anyway. The other the other primitive Steve. Violent thing in terms of like it's dwelt Tom is she has various fashion shoots throughout which you know as you Mike. Expect when recovery's being fashion model this very nervous geeky English photographer. Who really we really really gets on her nerves and is also making her late for an appointment she really has to be at so she completely loses it and just Komo jumps on this guy and starts just like smashing him in in the face and like taking photos of him like cowering? It's not clear whether this is meant to be funny. Like is this meant or is this meant to be like Abruzzo take down. Those horrible pompous fashion. Pita as awesome. This trip tick of pompous fashion photographers throughout as one who sprint one. WHO's American does one whose English I think the English one is the one you see lost and j just say this point? She's just losing it with Olis' crap and she just goes to town on his face. Yeah it's not Stephen Bunch and busy kind of Guy Stephen Much and might play. I remember cutters. Yep I'm reminded me a little bit of David Schneider who was one of the CO writers of Death Stalin and he's done other stuff with Amanda Unique Chee. He's in things in kind of bit parts but yeah he's with the best will in the world is slightly not looking looking gentleman. And that's it's just like it's very I mean yes. He was being annoying. But it's Kinda pro nothing and also she has this cover the she's supposed to be keeping I mean I don't know whether we're supposed to understand that. She's such a big muddling star at this point that she can kind of behave really badly and get get away with it because I mean goodness dyers you hear stories of well established successful muddles muddles behaving appallingly lacking people at that. So the celebrity thing. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I have so much money that yet. Even if they find me it's GonNa be like two days. Works worth rather than you know serious concern. You'll never work again type thing do you. You think that the the total shifts were deliberate. I mean either deliberate in the sense of someone directed edited this film. But I didn't like when they sound to make Ak you think that was in like the minds like this is going to be a thing. The is all these different things mashed up or do you think you just kind of under the night. I think it just kinda ended up that way. It just doesn't it doesn't seem like particularly thought out. It just seems like Oh we wanted all all of these elements and we didn't like take three four steps back the thing we will potentially about to create going. Does this actually work together for you. Know as a cohesive whole because the not. Sorry that that was. I think it was going to be my main point really. It was just like there was a a ninety minute. Throwaway action film here or even like slightly shorter than that. Because you get more than half an hour's worth of like fairly plotti off but yeah it's it's virtually two hours long to the minute and it's just like doesn't need to be evatt loan. No it doesn't need to be about one and a half with probably my net. That's a film. Yeah but then. There's a couple of things that other than is it. Laziness delivered troubling. They've definitely conscious choices. I've conscious choices to be lazy or conscious choices to you. Know Cat Jolly in your face. Yeah about historical things on about anachronistic things which was so. I'm not the kind of person that when watching phones I am mice time usually unless it's something I know lost about which is less ballots. Note that much stuff. Oh you sell yourself short no by me not willing to live like suspend this belief Enoch catchy much about might've things like that. We know the Internet. The other night does some film with like a phone that didn't come out until nineteen ninety-three and the film Senator Van Nuys Ninety two and you're like no I six months difference something I'll let it slide but yeah it's it's it's an it's an oversight that's understand the goal. It doesn't affect the film but I don't know it's such deliver trolling like I've been on. DVD page since. And is that the first thing that sexier leg Yukon. It's not like so intentional. All of the technology and this film but they may maybe even 'cause I didn't know much about yeah. I mean this. This is like everything is about a decade out like all the things they use the laptops they use. I like a late nineties early. Like into the two thousand yeah we see one like brick phone. which sure is it in a scene? We haven't talked about Retrieved by on from a I guess he's a gangster or also Catholic missions net guys fight. That was actually pretty good action scene. Yeah definitely maybe that's why we haven't talked about 'cause we haven't really go so much about. Yeah well let's get all the things that we hated out the way I hated inaccuracies. They were too obvious to hate. Yeah but it's like okay find. This is another weird thing that I decided to because yeah I mean it's not like he doesn't know Oh this isn't a film made by like a callow like there's only one year old filmmaker who hasn't done his research. This is like a fifty year old good man who was making films in the late eighties. He knew what technology was around. Then what wasn't and it's just like the films just like yeah. People are GONNA have like knock years from the turn of the Millennium in like nineteen ninety. Yep She's GonNa Steal all the data on yours before strives he also invented nine thousand nine hundred. I'm but it doesn't matter as just add for convenience. Yeah and she's going to apply or consider applying lying for a job in the Soviet Navy on her laptop which is the Internet Again in late nineteen ninety-five. Yeah Yeah and it doesn't matter like it doesn't matter to the film and I think it was not to last especially as Muslims griffey seems it's like it's just kind of fun Genre Slam easy like other care about pens on the Internet claiming it doesn't matter I know but somehow like if you try and settle on this like Louis Chrissy. I didn't know that's like an Ele- like realism. I think implied in that kind of grittiness genus. The again accurate the month. But yeah but if you if you want people to take the film seriously then you have to pay more attention to that stuff whereas if it's meant to be just totally throw away popcorn fodder then then he who has it's like it's a James Bond movie. You have like a car that you can control by your phone which I mean. Actually she probably now is that far fetched but in say like Nineteen ninety-seven when tomorrow never dies comes out. That's kind of like the that's possible matter like united. Technology doesn't exist. Yeah so yeah that the self titled Thing can supplement also from McConnell historical standpoint just needs to save it's to be Super Soviet somehow Mice the phones at nights ninety a year off the valley mall all souls a year before the Soviet Union foles. Yeah I will go tess. Yeah yeah it. At that. Point like Soviet aligned will also oh pact countries they're communist government you know a- crumbling and Gorbachev has the option of following the standard Soviet playbook of like well then applying also in go the tanks and he doesn't do it and and also within the republics of the Soviet Union. You have people demonstrating against Moscow being overbearing and yes there was. There was violence but that wasn't like conservatives from the very top down like we're crushing this with like maximum force in the way that they'd done in into Czechoslovakia in the sixties and Hungary in the fifties. Just yeah but none of that like the Cold War is kind of coming to a close is. They're all in fact like you know the leader of the KGB is Kinda like ramping things up and it's just like in some ways it's like why is this Stephen In the period that it sat other than like we want it to be the KGB because they are like an unambiguous baddies for a western audience. Yeah if maybe if they decide to ten years previously 'cause they got some late seventies early eighties passionate. Because I mean and it would make more sense if it's like I don't know like seventy nine eighty two to eighty five because that was was like knife-edge point in the Cold War people who lived through it say yeah it did seem like somebody was going to blow up the world and it's just like yeah although they don't really refocus on like the nuclear side of things at all it's just about like spies murdering each other for the most part yeah does not much of external threat beyond the spy agency's. Yeah it's it's all focused just on on a and you know. is she going to get to retire to Hawaii. Wherever or is she is she got to be killed by somebody actually again? Sort of hopping on the tone. But her backstory such as it is is the her her parents died and that's totally. Her parents. Death is totally. Yes like twenty seconds seen. Is that get hit by truck. Yeah because like that essentially making out in in the car and not paying attention to what to this you know hulking great truck the like I have already his dozen such coney way but yes plates loss. Yeah and and also just like the whole well then how did her parents dying and up with her becoming A drug addict and a homeless person to the extent her abusive boyfriend. Says you know you'd be turning tricks for a for a living if it wasn't for me and I'm kind of like okay. Well I don't want to paint too rosy picture of Soviet communism awesome here but yes I think they were homeless people. But in general there was a there was a full full employment policy so essentially you could get a job it would be a crappy job but you have a roof over your heads and you'd have enough money for you know basic subsistence rations. And the only way you end up without out that was if you will like a persona non grata because they tended to use you could be penalized for being unemployed employed basically they call it parasitism and then they could put you in prison if you were like supposedly refusing to work and what would happen with distances. Is that basically would get around the anyplace. They applied for job with. Turn them down so then it would look like they weren't trying to get work and then you could like throw throw them in jail. I'm I mean I'm sure I'm gobbling that but essentially you know it was relatively hard to be unemployed and you know absolutely lutely like destitute in the way that she's depicted in the film. I mean Russian listeners. Who note that this period Batta Sir please feel free to write in and and correct me if this is this is not the case but yeah I get the impression that it? It was harder to end up on the streets in the Soviet Union of this period than it would be say now to be honest so will these already points lights during cat. Kind of Shawki spy film Cullum. Yeah it just seems Out out the rusty Potz well and experts from thing. Ohio is made of the fact that she's an often because older says well. Actually actually. This is a problem. She doesn't have anyone that she cares about. Therefore we don't actually have any leverage over her And it's kind of like yeah. Her parents were killed the only to assume that like both of her parents were only children. And the you know neither of her parents had any social social relationships. Because I I know when I was I guess. A young teenager occurred to me to ask the question to my parents. Like if something ever happened to you what would what would happen to us. And they were like well. We have friends who we've kind of have like a mutual agreement that if something happens you have to join. My sex is the way to become an assassin for pay. Yeah yeah so it's Kinda like that just was also I'm probably giving this film more more thought than That it probably deserves. But yeah you have alluded a little bit to stuff. The Wolves enjoyable. Yeah that was good action scenes. That one that we're on a those I like hit I guess against this Gangsta Guy. The restaurant is fun like it's well choreographed an identity whether it's an sasha loose yes I didn't whether it's head to miss dumps or whatever but it's well cuts like it's cut in a way that you can tell what's going on but it's still cool looking. Yeah like a fun scene. mm-hmm during the criticism of its make slightly is that she is like Super Batas except when everyone is dead injured or his runaway as las I gangster than it was this like kind of big pray. Unfit old days like comes up behind Barry. He's very burly though. He seems to be a combination nation of white fat and muscle. Yeah I mean I'm sure there is a strong but then also that he is super stealthy behind behind the jump on it. Yeah and then it's like she is kick ass except on those movements Not to be suddenly temporarily. Yeah yeah which is a bit weird but the rest the fun. Yep some some good point. Good plates murder is found. They think it is an album name like gratuitous folk stopping how about that gratuitous for stepping. Yeah also she met tries to meet him with a dozen before it seems like at least effective. Why someone who's never been the club is going to not use this podcast as evidence of those in in the public domain his in his deadliest top priority? Is this yeah like the Oga Alex waiting outside of the car and it's kind of like oh we should have done inside of that. Didn't it helps that. She comes out like with her very nice fur coats and like dripping with this lodge and it it just happens to be no poces by. That's a quiet street. It didn't look like that much of a quiet is quiet ish but it's also it's the middle the day in the Russian capital and you know people are so massively diligent that every single person is slaving slaving away at their desk until six in the evening. So nobody's GonNa be out and about the cosby not quite because I was a restaurant full of people patrons. Yeah well we'll also. The Gangsta Guy is wearing a giant cross. Ross very bling. And I didn't know this very carefully but it didn't look like an Orthodox Cross with like the extra little crossbar on there. So are you gonNa dig it for for that. Also just in general like I mean. I know it's the late eighties and has more like tolerance around and stuff because of Perestroika that I talk about in the film at all but still. It doesn't seem like a brilliant move wearing big religious symbols out in the open again any rush listeners. You happen to remember the late eighties Soviet Union. If I'm totally wrong about you know the acceptable notice Nisa of religious iconography and clothing. Yeah please do right in there. That just seemed very weird. Olga has no dogs cross doesn't then she. I might buy those sheets. which will vary vary person in the KGB? But trolling us. It's all An allegory about religious persecution. Figured it out yeah. The film studies need more students. That I'm mm-hmm yeah. That was a fun thing. I'd like the escape of the end. She's running out the KGB building. Being chased quite fun and doing land. s`etait downs comes in a black widow style. Yeah that was very it was very blunt way realize some action scenes with fun but yeah and and the fashion slash murder montage montage montage Setsu in excess at need you tonight. A nice gets reference that I did not get that I had. I had to Out because it was kind of like I recognize that song is very eighties. Melt knock but yeah. I think we talked about this. In the INTRO. So we haven't seen atomic blonde but it kind of almost seems a bit. Like Luke vessels saw that one. Yeah that's that's a good idea. I'll do that and I'll I have some like period appropriate pop rock music on the soundtrack try good on there show. Should've live in clubs. Yeah well well. It could've could've breathing often. Tell us given because she did come and go between different countries and Yeah Yeah missed opportunity. Missile Daily Vessel Behavior K.. I guess I hope you didn't do the things that you a alleged to have done. Because that's awful. Just US yeah yeah. I like the fifth element quite intrigued. Larry and if they want to see it I love it. I watched it on Netflix. And those those movies these are kind of bonkers but they're consistently bonkers John's. I mean this. In terms of like the slight tonal witnesses witnesses. This did slightly remind me of one of his French language films. The Adventures of Adel Blunt Sec. Okay about a a Like kind of a female version of Indiana Jones but set in the nineteen th century. French empire. That's mostly very very kind of like knockabout silliness. You have like a PTERODACTYL and like resurrected mummies that are actually fairly benevolent. Compared to you can. Normally expect from Egyptian mummies risen from the grave. So he's got some of this stuff in it and that's like the main overall tired hard but it also has this thing about how her identical twin sister is in like a permanent coma tos state. You're getting a Like a pin through her brain in a freak tennis accident and it's just like so he does us how full in terms of like having like is also too long could they've I didn't know how long they bench seconds. But that did slightly the overstating just needs a barrel Sorry Amandus at this film is probably the best sums that if the film was listening and you are written in your choices by the best on I apologize. You should know you should have stood up to him said no this is. This is a mass luke. You need to tighten ninety minutes shoot-em-up known complicated non fo- gritty nonsense thing. What did we think about this family? Know that we have to agree I think it had its moments like. We've discussed some of the fight scenes. Were pretty good. They performances elements is were pretty decent. I mean Sasha loose acquitted herself pretty well in like not a well scripted Phil. Oh in passing the poor script thing last just reminded me of like. Probably the two most clunky things in terms of the script so the arms dealer just going back to dunking on the spell but Richard undirected Baalu vessel. Yes so he's it is fully responsible so first thing arms dealer maybe boyfriend until she like put several holes in his he says to her. These are both Russian characters. Says Oh you should really visit some Petersburg at some point because it is beautiful and it is the window on Europe and it's like yes. This is something that all Russians would know about Petersburg but would not need to therefore explain to each other. That's that's very much for the benefit of audiences. If you'd ever the very much about some Petersburgh it's the window and here so that was stupid. It just seems like Luke vessel heard that once. When that's kind of poetic sounding I want to chew on that into my movie anyway? So that's clunker number one and massive clunker number. Two is the speech towards the end. Where honor explains that? She's kind of like a Russian doll and like it's she's a woman but inside that women women is a spy an insider as a model and then you keep going down that early different things that that there are and then when you get down to the lowest layer. There's this this tiny little thing and she doesn't know what I lost when is and she wants to find out what that is and that's why she's going to carry on living and it's just like wow so you decided to write a movie about a Russian female character and the cleverest thing you could come up with is that she somehow like a Mutt. Rochka Cadolle is just like someone needed to have a word with him and just go. That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Luke stoppers stoppers anyway. What did you go? You're right it's just that I felt some the sentence harborfield's nice according to debate. I couldn't find mention. This was actually filmed in Russia at sorry for all the Russian scenes I mean has long shots of Russian cities to use. But it's very well done like emerged in pretty much all almost go. I did enjoy doing some like sightseeing of places that I've and I've been that was that was quite gratifying. Did enjoy that so yeah it was yes like looked nice. I think it was just a wish. I cat's yeah. Maybe that's why I'm last psychopath. I know I know I know. I don't want to like lack empathy light because that was a cool. They're like this person that's inbound circumstances. That has a chance to get out. But that Sean is like comes with law cost of maybe that cost us too high and like maybe they get out in like may be getting out means to have to leave Care about behind enlighten. There's all this stuff that's potentially interesting and it just nothing like does nothing quite hooks you to really actually care routes it. Yeah I mean funnily enough in terms of people I can't I probably felt most sorry for a girlfriend more because she's basically like strung long long. Yeah a great unlike does not say don't fund cat lingers Listen to die but as and she clearly is not going to because the movie is called on. And it's you know like off our in at this point so that's just like when she's in abusive relationship boyfriend. Refund is being horrible in your life. Oh this really sucks. It's like I'm not going to be a little like this kind of situation. Bet It doesn't. It doesn't link like in that individual moment. I kind of cat that this is a horrible thing. That's happening somebody. But that didn't make me care about what happens. The rest of the film when it became more smokey spike thing. And I think they wanted to the Phil wanted you to Karen it to set up a just felt disconnect is though yeah it was Kinda like I mean. I don't know how you would have incorporated that element of the story later on. It would be very clunky but it was just like well. That's now behind you so hooray let's get back to murdering people and trying hang on fancy clothes yet so in summary. I watch it on Netflix. If I was bored maybe that's does this Fisher rates saying. Yeah it's it's a go out of your way or spend money spent on this film. I think is the most ringing endorsement. I mean we can give and also in view of the you know it sounds like fairly credible accusations against look. I don't feel like great about myself for having like not being aware of that and having kind of support this movie financially intially but yeah well so do you have any Russian or otherwise recommends You know in terms of like of a similar vein. I mean in terms of spy things set in the late eighties while in fact filmed in the late eighties. I really like the first of two Timothy Dalton James Bond films the living daylights. I mean this Kony stuff in as you might imagine for James Bond Film but it's it's pretty consistent throughout now I mean I like Timothy Dalton the lots says I liked him indulge too. That's even I think he's in doom patrol control the moment which I haven't seen but that's getting good reviews. I think also I recently re watched fuzz and he's the kind of Oh yeah dot originating grindingly sinister supermarket owner. And that was the first thing I'd seen him in years and it was really nice to see him. He's an actor I enjoy. I enjoy enjoys a film that comedy and I'm going to say grittiness gritty but like graphic occasional graphic violence. Sounds like it doesn't much better nestle. Yeah well it's not played for Grit. It's played for like just how like outlandish it it is. It's like the film knows what it's doing. It knows what it's going for like every step of the way and to be honest when I saw the cinema I enjoyed it enough but I didn't think think like Oh this is. This is a masterpiece but let me just re watching it and having like read some stuff about at garage in his craft and pinpointing go out. I was like yeah this is. This is fantastically put together to the point that it all works so nicely you unless you stop to notice it you kind of don't but yeah it just has has all these like visual jokes that all lands lines and great performances. It's kind of funny saying Olivia Colman in you know a bit PA and now she's yeah every time I see a coleman in like an old thing day Confusing she's peep show ads and actually Mitchell and Webb. Yeah every time I say oscar-winner Olivia Colman is never steph. Bet she's brilliant. Olivet saying in its find that yeah I would. I would definitely rewatch that over over watching this again. Yeah I would like to know again. Russian listeners are what can you recommend in terms of like Russian spy spy kind of stuff. I mean I've heard very good things about seventeen moments of of spring which was like a TV movie series. I think it was a twelve parts from the early. Yeah it's it's it's about this Soviet agent who is undercover in Nazi Germany and kind of like trying to undermine the Third Reich from within an apparent is meant to be the incredibly tense. So so I'd like to check that out at some point. And then there's another one again seventies other. I think this is the late seventies. Called the meeting. Place cannot be changed which I think is about like Soviet detective going undercover to break up some like organized crime syndicate or something like that and that's that's meant to be very good and has the well. He's more famous. These days as I say these days he died in nineteen eighty but he's remembered as a musician slash singer-songwriter. His name was Vladimir Vysotsky. His Day job was as a professional actor and he just my my understanding is he did his singing songwriting and recording stuff. Kind of on the side and was only like semi tolerated like. He wasn't some official music. Gigs throughout the seventies he was just able to make things work. And you know he recorded these songs and he has the most gravelly voice. You've ever heard not kind of the closest thing. In terms of English language voices would would be johnny cash. But it's kind of like a level gravel earlier. I'll have to send you some youtube. Please do whatever and like massively not well tuned acoustic guitars. It's like if you thought Bob Dylan was blase about making sure. His Guitar was fully into like this guy. I is is even more nonchalant about that so yeah I'm really interested to see him acting role I don't know how big his point is in that. But yeah he he was. Well regarded as an active mostly not remembered as primarily as so. Yeah we'll have to check those out all right. Well I think we we should probably draw this thing to a close. Thank you very much Lynn for being my guest again. You're welcome. Thanks for how Milam Yeah. It's been great to have you and thanks for putting up with this slightly mediocre movie. You welcome to come and see media CAMIS whenever awesome All right well. Thanks for listening and Danica Folk. ooh So that's it for another episode. If you'd like to get in touch and let me know what you thought of the film battle the episode Dan as a couple of months you can do. 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The Cabin in the Woods: horror, comedy & choice

Breaking the Glass Slipper: Women in science fiction, fantasy, and horror

53:40 min | 1 year ago

The Cabin in the Woods: horror, comedy & choice

"At breaking the Glass Lipa Way believe it is important to have conversations about women and issues of intersectional feminism within science fiction fantasy and horror. To continue to do so we need your help, please consider supporting us on Patriots. Join the conversation by following us on twitter facebook and instagram. Hello I'm welcomed breaking the glass slipper. I'm Charlotte Bond. I'm Lucy handsome and I Megan Lee. And any other horror is a journal that is constantly reinventing itself from the earliest vampire villain onscreen in Surat. Due to the Languid anti-heroes portrayed by the likes of Brad Pitt and our beloved Gary Oldman. From the iconic shambling remarries on bass to the fast paced rage victims chasing Kilian Murphy along deserted London streets. It's not just the characters of our monster sort of changed but are here is also evolved over time to. From the screaming blonde victim to kick ass blonde vampire slayer to inept London. flatmates just trying to reach the pub. But no matter what a horror movie always contain screams. I'm blood I'm victims. There were troops within horror that we know and love on the cabin in the woods is a film that asks just why are these tropes so enduring? Tonight, we're going to be discussing peace of cult cinema history. The film is almost a decade of now, but it still as bitingly satirical horror genre is apple even though it took scream just waiting and drew got out only three days, right? So my first question to you is this. Do you think cabin in the woods is really harm maybe. Interested Enough Netflix's listed as comedy will. Amazon. PUTS THE DVD in it's horror category but Amazon prime list is with categories of comedy fancy. Horror. Science fiction suspense. What do you guys think? I wasn't a stupid. House these ridiculous categories fall too many. It's clearly no fantasy. But I. Think it is an interesting question because. Yeah I mean there's plenty of elements of comedy in it. I found it quite scary and places maybe this guy slight worsen I actually watched that much Hora. But I mean I'd argue, yeah, it's pretty occupies a fairly unique place between kind of horror and comedy, but then it makes me wonder. Does Hara. Innately have comedy kind of buried in it because of its almost. I don't WanNA use word slapstick but you know sometimes it's who is quite over the top. You know the sledgehammers in the chainsaws an ice picks. It stay as a thrill factor. So I wonder if there is an element of kind of hilarity just buried under the surface and and actually horror commedia closer than we would naturally think. I mean. I would challenge you to watch some more horror films and see if you still think that. But certainly, in this I mean I always had. Kind of issues with people who used to describe buffy as horror because. Well I didn't think it was really scary but it does contain the tropes of horror and at the same time you know just Sweden was known of really undercutting the tension with Huma, which again, they do really well in cabin in the woods but I also like to pick up on your thing if it's definitely not fantasy why isn't it fantasy? It's called men and like. A Unicorn and it's got only fantastical creatures so wide doesn't it fit Jesse? No. Not You're saying you to your own argument. You're saying that it's like it uses the tropes old like horror will I'm saying that it's used some types of fantasy but it using a troop? Borrowing it don't make it. Fantasy is borrowed. That is borrowed the idea from actually when we see them urban is fucking horrifying thing like it's a fucking monster. There's not a fantasy. Merman see moment hot. Tails. Okay. Yeah. Even one in shape water you know. Each to his own. But you know that this was definitely a merman corrupted by the genre here. corrupted by the horror genre. Riddick. Beast. hotness. There the euro there was no hotness there. I don't really know how to. I thought you were going to come in and say something like Daddy. Bucknell was really hot. Were there any hot monsters? while. Now, I quite liked phone across the Lord of Bondage in pain. But definitely to look at and a nothing more, you know he was he was quite fit in a very confident self assured way but that's kind of as far as it went Yeah. Yeah. I'll back you up there but I mean I was reading that. One of the strategies that drew and just went four. On the opening was they wanted to have that really horror style it sudden cupped to where you get to the office section with citizen unhappily, and they said the whole point of that opening was to kind of wrongfoot. The audience almost made him feel they come to see the wrong film and go you know well, fuck what's This And as I watched it through rather than just you know enjoying it and at known doing sewing or something at the time is they usually want to watch her maybe you paying attention there was an awful lot of. Juxtaposition. Where you went from a straightforward Har- maybe to something comical and then something comical to something quite sinister. So you have the whole bit about the harbingers speakerphone incident he's got all of that stuff that just crack in themselves up. And it goes from sinister to comedy and the standard her instruction, and then it jumps something quite poignant dangled gratuitous underwear show and. All these kind of things. But also you've got the idea of when it pans up from the horror music and they're sort of driving off in the RV and they're all kind of happy and you're like Oh. Yeah. This is kind of like a cool bit the horror maybe we know how continue panel and there's a guy on the roof, and if you listen to the music changes very very definitely and then bit with the bird flying into the invisible full beautiful panoramic shots, and then the Eagle just flying along. Then suddenly snap, it's not there anymore which obviously. is a prelude to what happens later on which we were discussing just before we started voting. So I kind of feel that. I. Now, at least he's saying there are some harm as that are just funny and there's there's a very fine balance. Sometimes, horror movies can be so bad that hilarious unintentionally, and then sometimes they horror movies like black sheep or. Shown the dead where it is riffing on horror comedy riffing on horror to get comedy. But I think cabin in the woods something different from those and it just bounces the to in a way that you don't see in many other films I think it's so brilliantly pad up the sinister on the comedy that it really does kind of unbalanced you watch it. Yeah I would agree with a I think what's really interesting is when you have films like scream scream like franchise in the new have light scary movie that taking the Piss out of. The stuff the trips that we see in movies like scream. Clearly stuff like scary movie setting out to like rip the horror genre as really stupid and really funny and. And that's what is its entire goal, and so I agree with you in a cabin in the woods is not doing that I don't think it's setting out to take the piss out of horror. I think it's it's really interesting I think setting out to. May Be present a film is going to well kind of yourself like it opened the first scene opens maybe people they've come to see wrong film. Constantly, kind of pulling the rug out from under us and I think maybe that's wall they set-out do. When they came up with conception of it. I also think it's definitely a commentary on Hara narratives as well. So maybe not taking the piss out of it but. I feel like it's a little bit okay out but. A little bit like. The. Bulgaria. because. I always read the Bulgaria like it's kind of a bit tongue in cheek kind of knows what it is and just Kinda runs with it. I feel like there's a lot of that self awareness and that. Tongue in cheek aspect off. The cabin, the woods while still being. A horror film just like the book area is tongue-in-cheek in sort of leaning into but self aware of those types and at the same time being one of those fantasy books. A valid comparison. I was gonna make slightly different comparison and say it is satirical Terry Will you've got a concept which is whatever you terry you might have an racism, all culture and history or Macbeth, and then you kind of build a character world around that and it's biting the typical and yet at the same time, it's still a fancy noble feel the same is true of cabinet in the woods. It is bitingly satirical off by society and horror, and what makes people enjoy Hora on I mean the very fact that. The elder gods sorry. The old ones underneath that a sleeping they have to kind of you like a TV show almost all we have to have the BOOBS. We have to have this they have to die in the right order. This isn't just ritual. This is entertainment for the Gods. And I think that's wonderful idea about why do people sit and watch our we just as bad to the gods coming going well, you know we're just going to enjoy people suffering because that is one of the. The trouble I, have with horror when my daughter says to me why you watch these kind of things I don't like being scared and then let well, it's a very weird thing that we are drawn to horror and you know really what does make and this holiday of the the old ones enjoying it it just it so matter on so many levels. Look we all like to look at something. Pretty okay. It's just. Pure. Entertainment is about take that away from the old ones. But up blood and guts and the suffering. Really Pretty. I was talking about the boobs. Seem. I personally thought you talk about Chris Hemsworth. Are. Doesn't do it for me buddy yells. Hey will you know I'm not judging maybe they like boobs and blood and Gore same time they all the old ones. Who who knows the mind of? God. This is very true. So, one of the themes I think Goethe right this and is both on an obvious level and on quite a subtle is the idea about choices and fight transgressions. So let's start with the idea of choices the organizers for want of a better word make a very big thing about how many choices the teenage group have to enable them to ten back, avoid that fight all they have the harbinger could listen to. They don't have to choose any objects and have to choose go down in the basement and so on. But if you can balance that with the idea of the head, I, on the harbinger is so ridiculous I mean who would genuinely listen to a man who was that insulting until that way with the ferries Do you kind of feel that it's directing them in a certain direction i. mean how much choice these guys really have A guy when it comes to the harbinger and like I don't know those some of those like warning aspects. I felt like that was just a title nod to the you know most of those horror films where you sit there watching it going like don't go down there. What are you doing? DON'T RUN OFF BY YOURSELF Do that you know obviously the the splitting up thing they referenced that directly. But those warning things. More I think because. They always there in horror films and yet people off Akin stupid and they go down the dock alleyway by themselves so they. They. Run into danger despite all the signs and we like to think that if we were in that situation, we would know better but I think you're right. You know if I actually think about it. If I went on a holiday in some Nassir was telling me Ou, don't go that. No one ever comes back from there or some nonsense like I be like. Yeah. All right. Maybe sniff the glue and. I think I would listen to those warnings, but it is funny when we watch horror films and we think Oh my God why all these people in Horror Films Steve It. Well that's the thing it's because the harbinger is just so over the top and you kind kinda feel if it was a nice old grandma sitting there with a knitting in a rocking chair and go. Dare Israeli you know they've had quite a lot of deaths there. You know I really think you would pay more attention wouldn't you uneven if he kind of went in there anyway be you to be on your God and you yell, let's go scary basement but it's almost like they giving them the choice but robbing it often something. So ridiculous that no, one would ever make the choice to listen to him, and then you talking about the let's split off. Let's stay together and their first instinct Chris Hemsworth said is right. We're organ GONNA bound together in one room and defend it will get out of it and then they dump him full of. Farallones or hormones or mind altering drugs and he goes nope. We should split up I need kinda get but that's not fair because it already made the choice to be together and they probably would survived, but you can't them. So full of drugs new control them so much you directed them differently. So is there really any choice? Yeah I would argue there is no choice at all in that film I think everything is controlled minute. Mentioned in your notes before the head I, I mean, that's before they even get anywhere near the murder cabin like how long you've been watching these kids. If got a level of control. So the whole thing is a setup like right from the very beginning. Okay. But I would argue that they do have choice because of Marcy. Mossi has. You know obviously they they talk about how like his own personal blend of marijuana makes him immune to their mind altering drugs or whatever but the fact that he is able to a see what? Is going on before he makes them. Basically, he finds the microphone. He is the one telling them not to go down into the Selah. He's the ones I. Don't do that. Don't do this that messing with US controlling US something fucked up and whatever. And the fact that that he then finds. You know the the elevator into the actual compound. There's all kinds of stuff I I feel like he represents choice. Now you see I agreed with you. The point when they actually get down into the basement and this is where I think it starts taking more subtle level. If you watch them when they get into the basement, all the guys like despairing often go having a looker music boxes. and. Those puzzles and things like that. I'm not letting Megan's as much guys. Why are we doing this come on? Let's leave it alone. And then he kinda size and turns away and he gets drawn in as much as the others. There's almost like a a level of hypnotism I'm what you say you've already established that Marty is the one that is. The sensible one because when they will up in the top A. And the door blase from they say, Oh, it's a cellar door just blows open in the Wind Amartya is off cameras. What kind of sense does that make? So they've already established that he's the sensible woman but when it gets done that even he is drawn into the hypnotism as well on this leads me on to kind of my next question is maybe something even. At Work here because I wanted Hammett choice you think the organizers have because they also have warnings that they ignore said you think this is a wide comment on the nature of choice and self determination on that. Maybe the old ones are kind of setting them up to fail. You've got all these issues like when they when they pull the blood into the the diagram of the fool that all starts to rumble and they go whoa steady that. Guys that he no billed ones know that Matia isn't dead and giving you a warning on the tunnel doesn't blow up and then when they're all having that big after parties goes no no we we had instructions from higher above the tunnel wasn't supposed to win the what who gave that instruction and I kind of wonder if there's something even deeper here that he's going on, that is directing not just the teenagers but also those in the control rooms. Okay. This is where I would say that I think. This kind of two films in this film because. It's also a horror film for you as we call the organizers. Because it's basically like. What could be your absolute worst day at work? This is Kind of like office space but to the extreme, you know they go to work they one job and their job is to make sure all the the old ones are. They. Get what they want the satiated but. Everything goes wrong and. They just can't seem to catch a break. Like is literally the worst nightmarish day of work you could possibly imagine and. Maybe, is about choice but also. Do they really have a choice, the organizers certainly I think because. They have a job to do and. Not only that they would lose their job if they didn't do a good one, but the whole world would just be destroyed. So it's like. Psych. My kind of. Work is not the same as a heart surgeons bad day at work in does those differences? Well, you think that is a choice though. The the whole choice is being made. If you know it's it's weighing one life against millions of life's lives and saying well, whose life is worth more. Is. An individual's existence is getting watchmen was doing something similar unit was like one person dying to save everybody is that is very complex ethics like who gets to decide. So I feel like even though the organizers may be feel they don't have a choice. They did have a choice at one point in the post somebody decided to set this whole thing up. And and feed these sacrificial victims to the old wants to stop them from devouring world. They could have let them devour the world in the first place. Knots too I mean that's That's going a little bit far. That's like saying that. I have a choice because my great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great grandfather had a choice. No not at all no I mean. Basically essential choices reflected in the very final choice that they make where they basically go. Well, Ashley wouldn't it be great to see God's Humanities time is over at is pretty fatalistic but still choice cypher like why did they continue to do their grandparent's work? Will their ancestors work? They didn't have to continue to do that. They have chosen to continue to do that. I guess but also that choice at the end to see the elder gods is not the choice made by the organizers. No of the choice made by Marty Yeah. I'm kind with Lucy on this one because whilst I was watching it I kind flips it, and when well, what sort of system has nine year olds dying horribly because if you concentrate on the subplot that they've got going on in Japan, they got this it's obviously based on the ring or any one of those Japanese horrors. But. Then go hiking brim full of school goes who nine years old and how come the running. That's. That would be what would save load of nine year olds who die horribly and I know that the. Speaking as mother, that's obscene my key point of Horrib- but I also look at it and go how how do they decide that was right and I mean this whole it questions you could ask about this. It was one of the questions I wanted to explore is to who are the good guys in this is the teenagers who are being controlled or is it actually the organizers who are the ones doing the controlling at the same time are? Having this idea of its many versus few. But then at the end of the day, you will say the few results in the death of all or does it you don't know you you just it's almost impossible circle going round and round and round, and you might say, yeah, it's the death of a few is important but like monty. Says if the death of few is his friends or if it's the the nine year, old children stuck in a Japanese school getting murdered horribly by this. What kind of a decision has leads to those results. What's the value of one person's right to live set against the value of? A whole species right to live and and just bring in actually something also Japanese Dora, which is one of my favorite enemies from amidst twenty, nineteen remake from las share. This this was This whole question was halted that as well. You know one disease one boy is one boy suffering guarantees. You know a Ripe Office for the entire Kingdom. Are raised out of poverty because the demons get. Those soul and his body parts and it's like well, but nobody ever asked him whether he was okay. With that choice, it was simply forced upon him and as he. Journeys and reclaims pot himself from the demons. He has to ask himself this. He has you know he could give up he could give up the fight and say, okay no, I understand what that choice was. My father made that choice that deal with demons this is a similar thing. You know it is a deal with the devil. To say, so there are some people who suffer the suffering is set against. The potential suffering of many many more people. And I think it's I think they've nailed really well is the absolute ethical dilemma. Let nobody who which us has the right to decide how life is. I'm going to take this to a political place. For you to say Star Trek. I thought she was going to go philosophy. Also I mean we could talk about Machiavelli in. The ends justify the means we can talk about the the good of the many outweighs the good of the few. You can talk about but what I actually want us to talk about maybe on my mind. At the moment but things like climate change. and. Social Welfare. So, Inao. Current situation. I feel like the world is actually taking the Mati approach and not the organizers approach because if we look at it the the rich people basically. Don't give a shit. The not going to help out all those people in poverty. Not GonNa do anything. About. Climate change because they think. Well, it probably won't affect us because we've got enough money to get out of it and be you know it'll cost us more and impact bottom line so somebody else can deal with it. They don't care. And I would say that. Actually. When you think about it the ethical choice. is to. Fuck. Trump and. reshare the wealth all own help. The many. And I personally found interesting because. The film I feel sets up. The audience to agree with Mossy. But. I am maybe maybe I'm just with know maybe people will say I'm a terrible person but. I'm with Bradley Whitford Away. Like. I. Think that. They are the good guys because they look after the many and I know obviously, there are questions of. Can they actually believable this do how do they know that they would? Be destroyed and everyone would die. You say you have to take that on face but if We, accept that aspect of it. I think that the organizers the good guys overall. I'm just throwing that out there. So sticking on this ethical line and the idea of who is the good guys? I think we all need to think about who are making the rules and whether or not they're the good guys. The organizes claim that the teenage groups choose to transgress but who decides walked his transgression, you've got these five characters and they all have to die in a particular way and they have very certain traits on they have to choose transgress into choose the other. But who is really deciding what is good and what is evil and it goes back a little bit what Lucy was saying of these rules things from their great great grandfather's this time. This deal made years knees go hasn't society chain transgressions different like Megan was saying with climate change and things like that. So. Where do you think this film comes down on the idea of what is a real transgression? Is it going out and having premarital sex or is it trying to manipulate the death of nine year olds the death of a group of innocent teenagers on I? Mean particularly when you get to the end on the director comes along and says, and we have version. And Dana Says No, no, I'm not verge and she goes we work with what we have and kind of. The You know from breaking your own rules when you judging people. So where do you think all this is coming from? Well, I was actually just about to quote that bit and say the look that clearly aware of their own limitations here that their own kind of. The definition of transgression has clearly changed because that's they wouldn't say that otherwise. But it does seem. Especially Biblical or especially ritualistic in an old fashioned in the sense of labeling like you know the virgin in the haw what makes tools a whole? Just that she died her head blown the she likes sex unit. Why is that? What is that condemn her to be the first die? There is that element to it but I think he's very. Like retrospective backward-looking. See I think the whole thing is a little bit of a commentary on religion. Especially things like the Veg- in the whole and some of those and and what Is Seen as a transgression. Mentioning, it comes from Lowest Biblical ideas. and. We see in kind of modern Christianity. Especially, that's my reference point. Where things like if you look in the Bible and it says things like you see a gay person. And they're. Actually having sex or whatever it is that doing. Like you know you give them a warning. But if they do it again. Then you can start them to death like we don't actually follow that but at the same time. There's still that idea that they are transgressing for a lot of people within the church but then. There are other things that we kind of give. It's like starting to have premarital sex. But how many people do you know even Christians who abide by that? I'm way. Will forgive out and it seems a bit like. There are these rules that we seem to to claim like the ultimate rules. But. At the same time, we know that society has changed, but we haven't allowed the rules to change because supposedly they are written in stone. And so on and so for me I felt it was very much a common on religion and how religion works in modern times, and this is why the organizers not the good guys because they would have changed. They would've understood that no one can naturally like clearly the old ones adjust like the the the the old guard, the Galway kind of gold, the gold that doesn't. Forgive or forget, and so the organizers aware of this and so they kinda feel like maybe they have to abide by these really really outdated rules but do any of them for try to change the system or to change the rules or defined sacrificial victims who maybe a more worth I mean this is a terrible thing to say but like. What made those school kids. It's GONNA kill people. Why pick innocence efforts victims who clearly have not done very much wrong in their young lives other than sleep around. Hanging. Innocent victims that have slept around talking about the nine year olds. Okay. susie. Just. Yeah you like this is ridiculous. You know clearly aware of the Times of change. No they continue following same old rules laid down by their grandparents. This is where I really like coming back to Megan's idea that they're two different films because if we go with this idea that to die you have to transgress. I think there's an awful lot transgression in what the organizes do, but it's also bounce that by this idea of an of an office job and you get two sides to Bradley Whitford character and. Sorry the name to hotly and sit citizen because on the one hand they really kind of. So Samba that really accepting they do the very serious and then all kind of cups tool, the parties they have. So for example, if we're talking about transgressions on what is a terrible thing to do, I would say that while someone is dying onscreen, having a party is is not a good thing to do and I I understand in the concept of the film what the kind site is this is just a day job for them and they succeeded and even they someone his dying in the background it's it's okay to party because they save the world, but I can't feel that in itself is a transgression on that they are. Not Respecting the sacrifice that has been made. Me Get Bradley Whitford when the boobs appear and he says in this utterly deadpan way school. And it's kind of balance of there's something really terrible going on. But School we've got what we wanted. This is something serious knowledge. It's happened in a more ever. And then you get this idea when talking I think it is true in the God who says Doesn't go have to die Bradley Whitford goes. The main thing is that she suffered. And then which says dot she did and then Bradley Whitford she rooting for the Gal installs going on this really long impassioned speech about how he really just wants her to live, and then it goes to king my lady and stocks to party, and for me that is a huge transgression because. They've done this terrible thing. All they're doing is partying and then think these kind of echoes what's going on there transgressing than at the end obviously, they will have the most horrible death. So I really have Megan's suggestion there were two films and they both have warnings and they both transgress on meet a very sticky and So. We thought about the films whole. Whether it's comedy horror, we thought about the themes within it. An kind of wanted to think about the gender roles and the stereotypes within the film because I think some really interesting aspects here. You've got obviously the whole point of teenage group is the you've got the two girls that kind of. Stereotype as the excuse, me should hold on the Virgin described on. Then you've got the three boys and that seen in so many horror films and they all treated as stereotypes by the organizers. But I kind of wondered if he felt they were atypical in the behavioral which Poe try and whether they fall into the normal gender roles that you would expect to see from a horror movie like this completely I mean I think the the point is that they are. Almost opposite of what they're meant to be like the Alpha male the. What do they call him? He's like you know the the athlete or whatever you know he's. A good student and he's supposedly very clever old. We don't necessarily see that. In the film itself but that's what they tell us. You know jewels the whole the blonde you know he's meant to be the stupid see one and she certainly acts that out you know as we know it because they put stuff in the head I. But she's premed like she's Clearly very clever. And you have obviously I think my favorite kind of inversion is the fool who is Marty eager we've already discussed is the only one who talks any sense for a lot of the film. So I think it definitely plays with those ideas and and that is. Very much. The point I mean. Perhaps the. The sculler is the one that is the least inverted because you know he does actually he reads Latin and. He puts on his glasses and he is like the equivalent of the whole librarian but for girls because Oh. Yeah. Glosses on. But he you know he does kind of have that Scuola vibe going on and Dana does have the the virgin vibe such because she is sort of make in a lot of places she's definitely plays into the good girl tropes. So. Yeah. I actually. Yeah. That's quite interesting that this two characters that dark necessarily in the as much as the other three. Thoughts no no. Cam No I. Think they will inver quite nicely actually and the the only thing that jumped out at me the is that was more kind followed stereotypical lines with the way that the two guys treated that female. Colleague and the one who they he was giving them a hard time about stuff and they basically just wrote her off I. thought that was probably the the boasts stereotypical thing that they didn't do anything about this. You disagree night you're right. I hadn't even thought about half of the film I was just thinking about the teenagers. So sorry I kind of agree with the teenagers very openly and stereotypes of. Inverted and you know I think. Even going so far as to actually say, well, she's not a virgin we work with what we've got kind of thing. So but yeah, I, just wonder if there are all the elements outside the kind of fi you've. Teenagers the all S- quite. Rightly. subverted. I think it's actually quite nice though because when you do meet the director, obviously it's the wonderful sigourney weaver but the director of this whole thing is a woman which I always like seeing a nice woman empower go her but also I think I. Think you're right in terms of. Amy Character in that she. kind of gives him a hard time, but also she is the one flagging. Or a showing them giving them the warnings and they don't listen to the woman which I think is an interesting thing. So where say if it is going for the biblical things you might say, well, you know eve would be tempting the men into transgressing whereas she is. Basically getting them to not transgress to show them what's happening ought to to highlight what? What could go wrong? Which is quite interesting. Indefinitely, this some sexism soul Janine, how they speak to her. But at the same time, she becomes a figure of warning girls. Practicality of. Sensible kind of approaches that kind of thing. which is quite quite different to how women are often cost especially in horror films because it's usually the women who would like walk into the doc ally. We always kind of the whole thing with Joe Sweden and Buffy the vampire slayer. What happens if that blonde girl in the dock alley is actually the one that the vampires should be afraid of. and. I would say simile where well. See, then that's when the teenage group. They don't invite the stereotype in that you know. It is completely the final guilt trip and with the final gold trip, they usually are quite. persistent. You know she struggles and and moves the plot along, and she is relatively sensible. All of those things and she still does manage to sort of be there at the end so. I would say the final final trip isn't really inverted. I was just thinking about. The kind of racial aspects of this in the fact that correct me if I'm wrong but I think there is only one black character truman the God. That I'm yeah. WE'LL HANG ON ISN'T Forgotten his name he's mixed race jess billions. Yeah. Yeah. WHO PLAYS THE INTELLIGENT ONE HOLDEN Tree okay. I just thought it was. Interesting that gave him that particular role. I'm it's not unusual to. A lack of. Back characters in major. Phil. But it's interesting that he had that kind of witness role. Well I thought as a veteran horror movie. It was quite nice to see people of Color in roles where they were playing warnings and being sensible ones and. They weren't just basically lined up to die, which is kind of almost the person color is almost the same as the blonde woman having sex. They're almost the top of the list to to takeoff. But what I kind of felt with film was that Like Megan said, you've got. To the organizers is warm film and the teens is another film on the teen star off as you say inverted but I also feel they transform into stereotypes they're forced into that role. You have this whole point wet multi always on the ball says, what is with this Alpha male shit with an Chris Hemsworth scour to. Kurt. Because we see at the beginning when he's recommending to Dana, which book she should read read that one this one's much better I'm when his girlfriend is insulted, he doesn't do the whole. Alpha. Male thing as stride up to harbinger knock him down. He's quite reasonable and backs off, but he gets transformed into this through the control. And I know you're saying about the final girl trope but I also feel the the whole conversation they have direct to that. We keep coming back to you but I'm not a virgin or we work reforge got she's almost undermined that she said well, I'm not a final girl go no is fine but she ends up being the one who survives I always feel like the. The organization lightly who sang the him saying about the female character who was saying you do this and then Bradley Whitford enriched Jenkins just brushing no. No, that's fine. And they do it here to the stereotypes on the ones who end up being killed horribly whereas the teenagers. Okay. The manipulations being into the stereotypes soon as fall into that, they then end up being killed. But If they'd actually stuck to it. Then they probably would survived as we've seen with the whole idea of Marty. Being wasn't affected and the girl who an actually the virgin she says not verge woman she's undermining the stereotype they put her in. And I. think that's that's quite a really interesting point. The only thing that I think mcadam better and this is one of my favorite stories from IMDB. was apparently fron Kranz plays multi. He is the only one not to jump in the lake when the half that's how thing where they will sponsor into the lake in all that speed osen bikinis and things, and apparently it was because according to Drew Andros, their words he is ripped like a muscular Jesus and he was actually in better condition than Chris Hemsworth and Williams, and they felt that if you sow Marty without his Baggy clothes on which deliberately by guitars muscles then it would undermine his character because you can't have the not one being the ripped one on the most. Muscular and good licking and I kind of feel almost MR tricks at because that would have been a really nice inversion. If that she the nerdy one was the one with the best packs but you know this film separately anyway, you can't have everything well, also I don't think it might have just complicated the issue when they've already got the Alpha male thing going on I think clearly seeing is a commentary on the. Dangers of stereotyping and the you know the the fact that you you basically like the when they subscribe to the types, them will likely to be killed and they're more likely to fall into the kind of the the well-worn. Tracks of the ritual or as you know we, we clearly see that they're all actually without being influenced by various drugs and various head is. Than not too stereotypical teenagers, they enroll quite independent thinkers. And maybe that's what it. There is that element the film was well as to say that you know. It stereotypes themselves all willingness to consume them and to be attracted by them. Because stereotypes to save no, and they'd that dangerous and they actually. Cut Mosque people's true natures. Were one really interesting fact which I didn't really caught onto until I'd read some of the background to it was the director would they also had in mind Jamie Lee Curtis and I thought Jamie Lee Curtis and Sigourney Weaver to women well known within the horror genre full themselves being the final girl I'm new get final Galvin alien or Halloween, and I just love this idea. that. The final bell is the one that the top who is controlling everything and say, radically, she's probably lost one of the organization to die as well but she goes before the final goal of Dana again, just thinking about it kind woman has just turns your mind into not because it's so works on so many different levels and has so much commentary on the horror genre. See I feel like that could easily play back into the ethics of the whole situation because the final girl realizes that. She's gotTa make some sacrifices to save the rest of the world just saying. Now. Is a valid point. Yeah. Like maybe she escaped before but you what goes around comes around it's time to pay. All, my God that would be an amazing prequel where you've got Goldie Weaver's character living the old ones and then coming to the that's a really good one I liked that. So. Having talked about so many elements of so many levels of this film I? Kind of feel like I want to wrap up by going back to our original. Idea that this is both a horror Anna comedy film and when my husband watched it and he hates horror, he came to the end of it went. You know what? Let's no Haaretz comedy. And then when Lucy watched it, when Megan I made her or at least. She takes said that was really scary and I think it's really interesting that you've got a film that can have some genuinely scary bits in it and some fabulous comedy as well. So just wrap up I wanted to have a little on my where each fallen tear up our favorite comedy moments and also anything we thought was genuinely scary so he'd like to get I. He's got a husband bowl. We're going to have that one. I had to find another comedy moment because that's just it's just priceless. I just love it and I love that they bring it back. You know when they kind of have in the Kinda creepy. Finding in the diary and then Mossy commencing on hold and having a husband bowls when he's kissing diner I just think it's fucking brilliant. I'm sorry I it cracks me up time but I also I kind of wish I'd like to Keila because I say all the time, but the whole Tequila is molly. I just love that line not. Really all that funny. But I don't know why it just it really gets me a really like it. Yeah. Okay scary bit. See I find that scary. Anything that's coming to mind. No actually scary. It's just like cringes when When Jules is dead to make out with the wolf heads. And she is full on kissing and like. Mixing tongue with it like you can see the tongue of the wolf moving around and everything like Lou do. Okay address. Yeah. Really really light up it I agree I think I'M GONNA go. If I'm going to go for the moment because that is that is a as Charlotte has topi is a very popular funny moment, but I really liked the MRI on speakerphone. You just A. Serious you're introduced to the hall in Asia as a title Nutjob who was actually really unpleasant but then clearly. Slight humorous nece than light to his character lightens the whole thing off I just hallway. I love the speakerphone moment because like it's a trick, we've all played on like our own family members. Obviously the Merman Gray is great you like he's so. Hadley. He's obsessed with the the Merman coming out and then finally gets to see the reverend just not in a way he wanted to. So. Yeah. That's my funny moment and. I don't watch I'm not a massive worse. It's just I don't watch that many horror films So Pretty the stuff I find scary. widdly a couple of things widdly the bit where they don't say the Latin. Because words have power and I was actually quite moving whenever kind of alone in the dock salary. They were GonNa say something that was basically to. To stop a ritual it was very obvious that was going to happen. As we were saying before we started recording the other the I've cut it freaked me out with them. You know they setup. Cut To escape and I really thought he was going to go I really thought he would escape on. That might've I'd forgotten the scene with the eagles smashing into the energy shield had kind of that a long time an hour and twenty minutes in the pause and then forgotten it really thought because maybe I'd seen so many Hollywood films. Yes. There's always one person that goes out and maybe he meets a sticky end down the lane but. You know that starts was, but it was so shocking when you just hit that shielded like skated ignominiously into the dog fuck until that was really powerful. See. I'm not sure I find that scary but I certainly found it very powerful on it was one of those like oh You didn't. I think for me. The most terrifying bit is when. Motti and Dana are in that elevator and going down and they're seeing all the different creatures in the other boxes. And for me, it's the contrast between the outer darkness on the other side. On. The neon brightness of the elevator and the fact there was nowhere to hide in the elevator. On. The one that really gets me the this sort of interaction that I find particularly terrifying is four neca slowed bondage in pain as he is apparently named in the credits. And, the way he just slowly walks towards her and it dawns on her exactly what has happened is that moment of revelation and he's quite a bit taller than has he naturally looks down on her. and. His brother is very relaxed. He's holding something that's extensively very pretty. He is just supremely confident and she rages at him and he doesn't flinch and she just bangs on the glass and these blood smears and he's just completely implacable and he's not bothered. He can't get her and if you did get, he would destroy it just with the same kind of arrogant grace. It's just so terrifying and what's terrifying buying on the glass I'm like stopped buying law. I might have seen these glasses little. Monsters in there it's going be pretty fake but at the same time you're right you're screaming battle the glass breaks reach their and get you so only found that particularly terrifying. As comedy moments I knew I knew that make him would take the husband Bulge. which is our it cracks me up every time. Lafayette lied. So there was plenty of. Pick and I have to say the find Bradley Whitford Very Funny. Particularly having seen him in the West Wing and I was saying that he just can't help them but Josh in this movie. And one bit where Ronald the intern is trying to figure out here is going to best on I guess it's people should do this and it looks Bradley Whitford Story looks at Huddling guys what do you think and had a guess? More than anything, I just won't miss moment to end just throw. It was just a brilliantly delivered on I. Think we've been delivered by anyone else any of the time it just wouldn't sweat, but it was just practically but I'm just GonNa be cheeky and have an extra one because I think my favorite comedy related to the film was when I was reading up on it and there was a screening a sort of pre screening on they had fun questions end drew got came on someone put their hand up and said, is that going to be a sacred? To which drew a parent replied have you seen the ending to my movie were driving is just the perfect light yep absolutely. There is very little way you could come back for this and how equal and I think that kind of nicely rupp's it all up. Breaking the Glass Lipa is written and produced by Megan Lee Charlotte Bond and lacey handsome. Please, help us spread the word subscribe and Lever of you on your preferred podcast platform. We want to hear from you. Let us know what you would like to hear on the next episode of Breaking Glass slipper.

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Water Cooler: A Quiet Place Part II, F9, Avengers Campus, M.O.D.O.K., Cruella, The Platform, Haikyu, Plan B

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Water Cooler: A Quiet Place Part II, F9, Avengers Campus, M.O.D.O.K., Cruella, The Platform, Haikyu, Plan B

"Hello everyone and welcome slash on daily for thursday june third twenty twenty one on today's episode. We're gonna discuss what we've been up at the water cooler. This is slash home editorial director. Peter surata as podcast is slash home weekend editor brennaman. Senior ben pearson. What's going on in writers. Why trend buoy in chris. Evangelista jacob can't china's today but he'll be back next week. Don't worry about him. He stuck in some meetings But let's get into it Talk about what we've been doing yesterday. I got to go to of vendors campus for a press day and this is the new theme park land in disney california adventure in southern california. It is based on the vendors. It's the i. Ve injures theme park land is what disney saying because you know there is a horrible theme park land universal islands of adventure in florida and To be honest with you a little bit underwhelming. It feels like the first phase of a thing. We did a video for ordinary adventures Into right up on social com. I'll link both of those in the show notes But we did like a walking tour bringing around the whole campus. I think when i looked at the square footage of it was almost like a little bit more than a third of galaxies edge. So it's really small and that includes the guardians galaxy mission breakout attraction The the new rides spiderman is the spiderman is called web slinger in your basically attending open house at this Tech company. That peter parker works out there. They're developing this technology. It's a vehicle that once you enter the vehicle lets you sling webs like spiderman. Why why are they making that technology. I don't know but Just when you're attending the open house his other creation. The spider bots Their self replicating which seemed like a smart idea. At the time. I guess Started to replicate themselves and The they just basically wreck wreck havoc across his whole headquarters or this whole this whole environment so you basically. Our team was spiderman. Go into the these. I think they're called the the web slinger vehicles and you get to help him take out the spots and save. Save the yes. He vendors campus. You're not saving the world saving vendors. Campus it's kind of like one of those. If you've ever been on toy story midway mania or any of those kind of like buzz. Light year Has a ride that you should things with. It's very much a game more than is a ride. It's fun But it does feel like the same situation when when disney opened star wars galaxies edge. They opened with their see ticket. Attraction which is smuggler's run and the the e ticket attraction the big bad rise. The resistance opened up months later. And it really feels like this. That's what's happening here. But instead of opening up months later they have a vendors. Attraction is going to be like you go on the mission with the avengers in this quinn jatin. That's been delayed. Indefinitely is probably going to be a few years out so it feels like half land that said they have some incredible food. Brad i wish you could could have been there with me because like lead to They have pim's kitchen. Which is you know. Obviously hank pym a. He developed him particles which get to enlarge and shrink things in that that lets you have a lot of fun with different food items so like you know a huge Pretzel or you know a a chicken sandwich. The chicken part of is huge in an abundance of small. Like all that kind of fun stuff. I think the best thing i tried was i this peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Which has this candied. Bacon has some banana aunt It's hard to describe. It just sounds like basic but it was really really good and They also have the the forgot. It's called it's called the tasting lab. I think test labs something like that where they make drinks and They actually have Beers were fills from the bottom of the cup up in a lot of different fund experimental cocktails and stuff. I i really think the food here is the highlight of the thing next. They have a bunch of character experiences. Like there's you get to go into doctor strange's Ancient sanctum in he. It's kind of like marvel magic. Show that i never knew i wanted. People seem to have fun with that and one of the islets of the experiences is of course. Peter parker is running all around on top of his the web building that the ride takes place in and he does like this whole. I don't wanna call it a stunt show because it's more of a demonstration of his acrobatic abilities and at one point he runs off the you know from view and then they used this thing that they've been showing all the media for quite some time. It's called a stunt Animatronic stunt man that is dressed in a spider suit that flies through the sky and when it lands. There's like a seamless transition to the the actual actor in the spider suit. Climbdown allow a wall. I it's really cool and find. I think kids are gonna enjoy this but it does in the end. It does feel like half a theme park land but anyways i i'm not going to bore you with all that you can go check out at right up on slash nominee could check out the video of nvidia form. And i'll link those in the show notes and not to get to park heavy this week. But i did also returned universal studios hollywood which reopened a few like a like a month ago. But a couple of things weren't open when it reopened in one of those things was the waterworld stunt show which is so crazy that they still have waterworld stunt show but it's because it's like the greatest stunt show of all time and That just reopened this past week's i went back there to to re-experience that cio changed spoiler alert. It didn't really change much It's a lot of fine. I'll put a link to that if you've never seen it I really really think waterworld is one of those movie ideas. I know it was. Chris you might know. This best was waterworld considered a huge failure or just like a somewhat of a failure at the box somewhere in the middle. It's not like like the biggest flop of all time but it did not it. The is had a huge budget and they kept going over budget. And that's that's pretty much. What got in the way. I think it probably ended up making some money back on home video and streaming. And that's probably why they had a stunt show and stuff but it really does have a great concept. I think one day. A universal has to remake. Water all the perfect reboot waterworld in some way but Okay let's move on. Hd what have you been up to a bit of shameless self promotion. On my part. I was featured on in rotten tomatoes. No your critic series is the latest interview that they do. They do a series of interviews with various Rotten tomatoes certified like approved critics and I was the one for may for a month and You can check out the interview. It's in the show notes it's me rambling about movies including movies up. I like movies that influenced me and movies. I dislike so it's just kind of. I hope i sound intelligent. I dunno i looked at it. And i was like. I'm not gonna read that. Because i don't want to see how i sound. It was a spoken interview and they transcribed. It's i don't know if it's all quite correct but you know it's out there and now you can look into my inner process through This interview on rotten tomatoes. We'll put a linked that and notes as well and i want to mention upfront. Here that i my microphone broke that i usually use my closet podcasting studio so i'm out in my living room which is a little bit more Echoey so if you hear that i apologize. Hopefully i'll have things fixed by the next time you hear me but Okay brad what have you been up to So i decided to start a separate Instagram account That might turn into like my own personal side project at some point maybe But it's called breads junk and it's a instagram feed. Where i'll be posting about the various snacks drinks food. Also toys collectibles. Kind of. Just whatever tickles my fancy. Hence the company name Brad's junk. And so i started a while back like Got some post built up just so that there was stuff there so when i actually came around to like telling people about it that there was some decent stuff there to scroll back through And it's it's been kinda who actually because like just from using hashtags and stuff like that. People have just randomly founded in so. There's no means a big following wherever it's like a handful of people who have just randomly founded and apparently liked all the stuff that i like posting about so If you wanna check it out it's at look at brad's junk on instagram. So if you wanna follow. I'll be posting a lot about A lot of the stuff that i mentioned on here but also some stuff that doesn't always get mentioned on slash from things like that and in some cases you might find out about it even sooner because since the water cooler only happens once a week people looking for crotch shots are going to be very disappointed read. It's very it's it's true. It's true. I i'm willing to take that risk. Yeah i was gonna say. I'm glad this isn't an onlyfans. Brad i mean maybe i will start only fans where it won't be risque at all. It'll just be me holding up snacks and toys okay. Let's move on what we've been watching this past week. I decided to reactivate my. Emc membership after it being vacant since march twenty twenty and i went to the first Movie actually i went to the movie theater for ten but that was with a group of friends and we rented out a theater but this is the first time i was in public movie theater with people. I didn't know in a theater. And that's why i wanted to talk about is i went on friday. The opening of a quiet place partout and almost every theatre in la was sold out to the lowered capacity what the capacity is like for example in the road that we were in which was the first row of this dobie theater. It was a kitchen. I in on either side. There was two empty seats and then there was two people and then trump seats. So i'm guessing that's like some less than fifty percent capacity. I don't know but it seemed like it was going to be hard to get tickets. Even like the. I looked at the saturday morning. Show the first show in the matinee and saturday morning and only the first two rows were available. This is that like friday at two pm. So i'm just surprised that people were already so especially in california. We've been kind of lake holed up in california here The government has been very Restrictive in trying to protect us. And i'm just so surprised that everybody was just so out and about like the mall that went to was so busy and Brian chris i i. I know we haven't talked about this movie yet. But did either you see this movie in a movie theater. Indeed dead. Yes did did you go to a public screening. No i didn't go to a public screening. I decided to do a private screening. With roughly the same group of people who i saw tenant with back in september which was the last time i was at a movie theater as well We mostly we didn't want to mess with crowds. Just the axe not just because of the pandemic partic- because this is also the kind of movie where like the ambiance of the theater. It's nice when it's quiet and so not having to worry about strangers in having the ability to retaliate theater and not have it really costs much more for each ticket than it would. If we were seeing it with a public screening was just a terrible experience So i ended up going back to my local. Amc theaters which is still only open. Three days a week And so yeah it's It was you know a fine experience. Nothing new really About what was going on Except where they have. They don't have the The butter dispensers for your popcorn. You don't do it yourself now. If you want extra butter type of what they give you the put it like in these little condiment cups and it kind of looks like urine In the economy cup. So that's neat but otherwise yeah just the in. They're gonna fill up your your coke. Freestyle machines don't allow you to do it. Oh echo so actually the for whatever reason. They didn't have a problem with doing that at rmc theater. Yeah we were able to fill up our own. Our own drinks but yeah otherwise. The experience itself was fine. I suppose i'm not quite to the point. Where i'm reactivating my a-list Membership yet. Because there's not enough that i wanna see in theaters and i will also probably still be doing these private rentals for the bigger movies with friends as long as they are available and we have enough people to make it affordable so yeah. I'll probably definitely probably wants things a lot more back to normal chris. I assume you saw screener no For christmas my wife got me a gift card so we can rent out a theater. The thing oh. I saw your instagram post of that and a nice theater it's it was just an emc And so i had this since christmas and we just haven't gone because there hasn't been much to say like they've been showing older movies and like when i use it for that because i can just watch those at home and so when this is coming out are like oh this is this is finally a chance to use this damned gift card so i booked theater. And even though you know we could brian. I think it's like up to twenty people or whatever. I don't wanna do that so it was just me and my wife in a theater all alone and it was probably the best movie going experience of my life in fact it kind of a little sad because i realized it would never be this good again unless i get really rich and can afford to rent out a theater every weekend for myself because i love movies. I hate going to the movies because people are just awful. They won't shut up. They won't put their phones away. They stop opening fucking candy wrappers and i hated it just. I don't miss that at all. I miss the big screen. But i do not miss being a theater with just annoying horrible people so this was just fantastic. It was just me my wife completely alone watching a movie and it was just blessing. I i wish. I could have that experience again. Yeah i i. I can say that being back in the theater felt good and didn't love a quiet place part too. I did like it a lot. But i think it made me like it more. See get into theater than i probably would've at home That's just the type of movie. I know you guys are saying like you know people can be jerks and you kinda want quiet but i kinda like that that tension in the theater that the guy you know behind you that has like some candy. Can't like you know he stops. And like he can't put his hand in the candy because they'll make that rattling sound and you don't wanna make rattling sound during like this really tense like low moment and i kinda love that i really liked the opening sequence which has drawn kaczynski. And i i think the rest of the movie felt like it was missing him in some way in the they replaced him with this other male lead character. Who i wasn't as into but i. I still think it was very good. I just don't jacks killian. Murphy's invading i like him. But i just don't think there was enough to his character ono yet that's fair. He's kind of an archetype. Yeah brad would you think i enjoyed it I don't think it's quite on par with the first movie And i think that's mostly just because like the novelty of just how quite everything is in the suspense. It's it's not quite as thrilling or exhilarating as it was the first time around but one thing. I really appreciated Was how they. They framed the The kids in this movie. Unlike there there are condemn stepping up. And sort of you know growing up in this you know terrifying environment and how they Juxtaposed like the imagery throughout the scenes. going back and forth and just the way it connected Both thematically and visually I really appreciated that. And i agree that with with hd kilian murphy is great In this movie with you know he's not giving a lot to do but i thought he was. He was fantastic in in his role. Here and i'm interested to see It sounds like that they have a plan for a trilogy at least one. More chapter so Exactly where they go from here. will be interesting as this. What i liked about the sequel is they didn't necessarily trion ramp it up in the way that like aliens did or you know movies of that ilk where Was on a much. Larger scale is still kept. It really grounded since. That's what works so well the first time and now that they're starting to spread this idea of how to effectively. You know. kill the monsters. You know. I'm wondering if the next one is the one that does that. Send how they kind of wrap it up to give you know this post apocalyptic world you know a hope of coming back. I will say that. I was a little nervous that they were kind of kind of do away with the events of the first film in what they learned about. How to take on these monsters. Like either have this thing get destroyed or something like that. And they didn't do that and they they were able to still go along with it and find ways to make it just as suspenseful in throwing even though they have that method. Chris what what did you think of the movie. I liked it. I thought it was fine. I don't think it was as good as the first one. But i want to also add. I think kilian murphy is is fantastic in this. I mean he's a he's a better actor general than john krasinski and is presence. Even though i agree that the character is a little thin. He's such a good actor that he makes it work with like his facial expressions and helping tormented. He seems so. I really loved him in this It has like one or two. It has a few issues. I feel like there are some you know i. I'm i am able to suspend disbelief But there are a few like jumps in this movie where things happened where it requires a really big leap of logic and i had a little problem with that. I also think it ends little abruptly and other than that i. This isn't a complaint but it occurred to me that like. I don't think they ever say any of the character's names in the first movie. I realized i don't really know any of their games in at one point. Emily blunt calls the son. Marcus and i was like is that is fucking. I had no idea that was his name and like the girls named reagan like they never say her name in the. I think like an interesting that like iowa's causative they don't say like most of the character's names of these movies and that you know that's And that's because. I really hate when movies. Try schumer and that in the end like they're like or they're like a character's brother will come in. It'll be like what's up like yeah. Get out here when they do that. So that's just a. I thought it was amusing thing. I never really had thought of when i watched the first movie but yeah other than that pretty good movie. I liked seeing it alone. I'm sure if i had seen it with an audience. I'd be like oh shut the hell up but otherwise i had finally. I want to clarify again. I wasn't talking about the actor. Talk about the character. I just feel like the character doesn't filled the same shoes as john kuczynski character from the first first movie. But why do you hate gillian. Murphy peter i just don't like the way he looks brad. Whoa that's a. That's a tough tough stance. I've also been watching more cruel summer. This the show. I mentioned on the last water cooler and i've actually gotten a lot of dm in messages and replies on twitter. People telling me they like that recommendation This the show that's free form. It's a I don't even know how there there's a mystery woman is not a murder mystery per se. But it's interesting a place with time in an interesting way in as you go on with the season it also plays with perspective. Different episodes take place from different characters perspective. And i just want to say. I'm still enjoying it. I'm in the last two episodes of that. It's airing live. So i have not seen that the how it ends but and i watched a bunch of screeners. I watched a whole season of tv. You know watched a movie which i cannot talk about yet. I just mentioned that. Because yes i have been watching stuff. I just not allowed to talk about it. And it's not anything like super duper exciting. Some not even bragging. I'm just saying guys. I've been doing stuff i've been watching stuff had been going to theme parks doing stuff as you can't talk about it yet. but bread. What have you been watching. I have been watching marvel's mode With is definitely different from the usual marvel television offerings. But it's a lot of fun. If you enjoy deadpool. If you like rick and morty this is basically a mashup of the two but with a stop motion animation that feels like it's straight from robot chicken. It's it's interesting. Because i feel like they could have easily made this show and not had to use any marvel properties or characters It's not that they don't use them in a way. That is fun because there are plenty of nods to the comics and Pop culture references to various characters. And things like that. People know from marvel mythology but the the main crux of the show is just basically this dysfunctional weird family. Where one of them happens to be This you know weird machine supervillain But like this this could easily have been something that that wasn't tied tomorrow in any way but The thing that really makes this work so well is patent oswald as motor because his voice fits the character so well. The show has a lot of his comedic sensibilities within it just It's full of random pop culture references and asides. And just it's there's a lot of stuff that you would. He like definitely here in his standup act. That's mostly because he's an executive producer on the show. It feels like the show is built around him. And it's just it's the role that he was born to play essentially. It's just perfect for his kind of humor and his love for pop culture and just full of nerdy things. And there's just there's just so much into end. The jokes come flying pretty quickly to and it's also Very grotesque in weird at times Like i said you know in the same vein of rick. And morty it definitely gets a lot more strained in sci-fi something like like deadpool but has that you know irreverent sense of humor That makes for an interesting pairing with marvel comics. Especially you know with How serious marbles about their franchises today in like giving them control this is something that is just so different Coming from marvel. But it's it's thoroughly enjoyable. So if you if you like pet while recording deadpool i would i would definitely give this a shot on hulu. Does it break. Third wall mentioned any of the marvel. Cinematic universe stuff. Not that i can recall. I don't think that there's there's a fourth wall brick. I'm pretty sure it's all within the Within the narrative that that's so there's nothing like that interesting okay. what else. i'm watching I also watched the platform Which is the spanish from available on netflix. That is pretty Unsettling and unnerving If you haven't heard of this it's Basically this Science fiction thriller where the guy wakes up. He's in this What's called a vertical self management center in basically this very toll prison where there are a couple hundred floors of two people on each floor and throughout these Throw a one month period there. Is this platform. That fault goes through each of the floors every day. With a huge smorgasbord of Food and it stops for a designated period of time at four to allow each of the two prisoners to eat some food before it goes down to the next level and so because there are so many floors with two people on each floor as it gets lower. There's less and less food until at some point. There's no more food and the people on the lower level are left to either starve or potentially till Cellmates in order to eat And so It's very it's not subtle by by enemies when it comes to the social commentary that is trying to make on Class and the rich and the poor and how people take more than what they need and all that jazz but it's still very effective. There's it's it's very violent and bloody end The performances are really good there some very seedy characters throughout and there's like a compelling mystery to it So as long as you know you're not put off by the somewhat heavy-handed social commentary of it. All it is it's very compelling thriller. What else have been watching. I've also been watching. Other things like Ma another Horror thriller with octavia spencer. Going against type doing something. That was a little different than what we expected from. Her and others came out a while back. I wanna say twenty eighteen. Maybe twenty nineteen something. Like that. And i just been putting it off. I hadn't watched it. But my mom had seen and when she used her that i hadn't seen it she thought we should watch it. So it's It's solid but it's i feel like it takes a little too long to really get to the more terrifying Part of the of the story. There's a lot of build up for not So much payoff. And that's not to say that they're still not you know some horrifying elements here. Once itv's spencer finally gets to go full blown maniac mode but it's there are a couple of Jarring surprising moments that. I won't spoil when you're watching it. You're just like oh my god you know it's just it's sometimes it gets suddenly Chaotic end violence. I feel like there are a little too many loose ends and leaps in logic to allow something like this to happen and no one to know one finding out about certain events in the movie I'm being intentionally vegas. Just because i don't wanna spoil certain things for anyone who hasn't seen it but But it's it's cool. Enough seeing octavia. Spencer do a role like this because she's a very good job at being Menacing turning from being this cool person. Who's just trying to help them get party into being this. Absolutely you know vengeful crazy person. So if that's something that interest you then give it a shot. I think it's on hbo x. See the seems like the definition of what i would consider a-list movie like a movie that you see the trailer every time you're going to see some junk using your amc a list and you decide full know it's free. I'll go see it. And i do want to mention also how much i enjoyed being back in the theater and seeing trailers again and i didn't think i'd ever miss riem menounos but i i. I like seeing her on the screen again. It's like. I've been reunited with a friend brad. Well that's nice on the opposite under the spectrum. i also saw a movie called. I remember mama which is not anything like ma it is. It's a classic movie. Wait a second. Is there a reason why you saw ma and i remember mama. It's just a strange coincidence. It's actually it. It's been so long since we did a water cooler that this actually wouldn't have happened. Because i would have talked about ma on last week's edition and then i remember mama on this week's edition so it's just it just worked out that way strange. Yeah So this is a nineteen forty eight movie Started by george. Stevens and stars irene. Dunne it's kind of it's just as classic Family drama with a little bit of coming of age reminded me a little bit of little women. but it follows this Norwegian family of immigrants living In america in san francisco in nineteen ten and just follows their lives as a family. Dealing with You know their kids growing up one of them getting sick and just like how strong that their mother was in like. It's all framed by the one of the families daughters who has become a writer and she's telling the story of their family and so there's The similarities to little women sort of stop there except for just like the closeness of the family and like how it's flashing back and digging into you know these. These fed pivotal moments that they've experienced over the years. And it's just a it's just a nice heartfelt classic drama it was nominated for five academy awards Including irene dunne who won for her lead role as as mama in the movie It was her last oscar win out of five that she got over her entire career. And so yeah it's It's a very charming movie. That's if you're into these kinds of classic films. I think that you'll you'll walk being being pleased that you watched it. Okay let's move onto each t. You got to see the new fast and furious movie. I did got to see eth- nine the review of which you can see on slash film dot com and gave a reaction that i said at the beginning was going to be briefed on a water. Our a daily episode a couple of weeks ago when we were supposed to have a water cooler the next day which actually was quite thorough. So it's it's. I'm going to give a brief reaction here. It's exceptionally silly. So i will open the florida question. Is it exceptionally silly in a fun way like is that a good thing. Yes i would say so. Your mileage may vary pun intended. But i i enjoyed it. I think it was a movie that brought the fast and furious movies back on track after the fate of the furious. Was this really sort of. Solis just not as enjoyable. Not as as as a silly and fun as the previous ones have been. And i think this one is like the most self aware of the past fast. There's always been like that degree of self awareness but this one was even more so like they literally poke fun and make reference to the fact that everything is is very escalated at this point. Real quick on what the hell is her. Name of that actor scott eastwood. I despise his inclusion in this franchise. Am i going to be disappointed. Dec- in this movie a lot scott eastwood from fate of the furious. he resigned. mr. Nobody's assistant guy and it seems like he's seen thank god okay the best. I don't care about this guy so she had. There's no mention of him. I completely forgot that. He was in fate of the furious. Any movie really. scotties scotty. A charisma cole. He don't don't feel sorry for him. Yeah yeah no. Mention of him is hundred. Turn as satisfying as you hope. It's satisfying and silly. If that makes sense do they explain. Why the whole shaw situation with that okay. I just don't know how you feel with that and have everybody. Happy is what. I'm there some. I talked about this in the past episode. Where i talked about f nine but there's some reverse marvel cinematic universe. Okay and so. It's it's sort of like they're they looked at the franchise like we connect all of these half hazard. Ram shod movies together and they did a lot of that in this movie. I always like when a franchise does that star. Wars does a lot with like animated in books and if you can make stuff retroactively better. That's all win win. I think what else have watching each day. So i've been watching. Is the man from nowhere. The korean revenge thriller from twenty ten starring. One been and directed by lee jong gum. And this is a movie that i had always intended to get to watch at some point but i finally did it streaming on hulu i think and It's great it's this great. Sleek bloody revenge thriller that follows a A man from nowhere played by one been who was a pawn shop worker and his neighbor and her daughter get kidnapped by this Drug lord And he had a close relationship with the so he goes on this east. He cut this bloody swath through saul to try to Get the girl back and It's pretty straightforward. I wasn't quite on board with one been performance at first. He was almost to the point that i found myself a little bored with his performance. I thought she was just kind of wooden but he Once he cut all that hair out of space and thirty to show some emotion later on. I was like okay he. That's fine so I i will say. I was really intrigued by the the actor who played it. Antagonist the thai actor I'm going to mispronounce his thunder young Who was just really cool. He played this assassin. Who cleans up after the The drug the drug trio odds crimes and stuff so he. Yeah it's great. It's great sleek revenge thriller. I feel like chris has probably seen this one. Yes no okay. Just writing something. So my microphone wasn't in front of me but yes i have seen this and it's good. Thank you everyone cool. Another movie that i watched is the disciple which is a film that is that was picked up by netflix's in indian drama directed by catania. Tom on hey tommy tom. Although probably that. I am very sorry. And it follows this musician who is a aspiring classical music vocalists and he is very devoted to the arch to the craft and dreams of being this great musician but also is very dedicated to the idea of purity within. This music doesn't like the idea of doing it for show or for or even recording at are doing it for something that's more trendy But as the years go by he realizes he starts to realize that people who were Learning alongside him have have outstripped him and that he has to sort of live with his mediocrity and that maybe his devotion to the purity of music was misguided to begin with and sort of like this idealist who ends up being cut down by his own miss his own faults essentially It's a really translate in slow film. Really gorgeous shot that s- i think Was a won an award at tip. It warned the amplify amplify voices award. And this is another movie that net flicks kinda scooped up and buried in algorithm. Feel like this happens to a lot of the international gems that they pick up a lot of film festivals in an attempt to boost their credit as a distributor of art house films but they end up bearing in their algorithm. Which i always find really really frustrating so if you can and if you're up for i would highly recommend seeking out the disciple on netflix. It's a really beautiful movie. But i will warn you. It is very slow through say at the beginning so be prepared just kind of sit in in watch really interesting Really fascinating movie. Unfold slaps the disciples dreaming now on netflix. And next last. I saw this. One is the one that. I've been really really watching. Because this is a an anime that i hadn't hyun a lot of and many people had rape dove but I had no interest in it about zero to nine. Because i don't really care about sports. I don't really even care for sports movies outside of A couple of glasses. Even i'm like. Oh that was good. But i don't have a a big affection or passion for them so i just kind of watched this sort of on a lark and was like. Oh if i like it. I like it. But now i'm obsessed and i'm already seized three seasons in after having started last week and that intimate is called haiku and it's spelled h. k. y. u. s. limitation point for those who are wondering about the spelling and it's about a a short five foot three Wing spiker in volleyball. Who wants to be who dreams of becoming the ace of his team but he has been saddled with his short height and with a school. That didn't really have a team to begin with so when he arrives at a new high school that has a establish team. That once was one of the great teams but now has kind of fallen from grace. He's excited to finally Become that that ace that he dreamed of being a but he finds that he is on the same team as his middle school rival. Who had once a admonished and humiliated him and they end up becoming unlikely duo With a a freak quick attack that many people call because it's so quick and so and so out of the blue because of the the other the rivals sort of a prodigal skills and the short ones very quick reflexes they managed to wow everyone on their team. And wow all the rival teams that play against. And i i was. I've been very obsessed with this show. Ever since i washed it last week so much so that i was grateful for the fact that this past memorial day weekend it rained the entire weekend and it was like fifty degrees in new york city. End of may two days june. I don't know what was up with that. But i was secretly grateful for it because that means could spend my saturday watching the entire first season of haiku available on net netflix. And now i think about high q. A my i. Just i dream about it and i didn't think that would be this invested in an anime about volleyball. But it's a show that is so pure in its love for the game and in the characters love for the game that you can't help being wrapped up in it as well. It i i wrote about my quarantine stream i i kind of jokingly wrote the phrase what's better than this guy's being dudes which is a reference to a vine for you of them. Sorry but it's used very much like that if you'll like this it's all about that that I love the sport and this kind of pure sense of love and camaraderie and sportsmanship that these boys steel and volleyball is their entire world. And even if it kind of takes the form of an underdog show and underdog story It doesn't paint the rivals. Any kind of black or white way even the teams that play against get their own back story and and struggles and arcs and that's what i really love about. It's just it's just about how much they love volleyball. And how much. They just want to get better at volleyball. It's great i love it. Boys are great to after your whole setup there what made you decide to give this a chance. I'm just a little confused. Because well the most recent season the four season i think dropped last late last year mid mid last year and everyone was talking about it and i was looking for something to watch and i decided to watch it and it was streaming on netflix. But now i've gone past two seasons that are available on netflix. Have to watch them. Crunchy roll where it has ads. But i don't know why i decided to watch it. I just i just did on a whim and now i can't stop thinking about it now. My entire youtube algorithm is just clips from high q. Keep watching it and it's a great show guys. I would recommend this even if you aren't a fan of anime because it's a very straightforward story. It really is just about the sport and the ball and volleyball and why they love it and that That poetry of motion. The intimation too is so chris in so smooth. It's really really really great to look at I was quite impressed with that. I think a lot of modern anime because animators are highly underpaid overworked that a lot of quality gets thrown under the bus but hike. You just is incredibly high quality in terms of animation and storytelling and its character. So yeah i raised about this enough. I will just say one more time watch. It was great. I'm sure i asked you this before. Have you ever seen friday night lights. I have actually. I started watching the first season with my dad. Who coaches volleyball. But i had no interest in volleyball until i wash tycoon but he loves sports shows and movies and i was like i think you would like to show my dad and we watched it and he started watching head of me so i haven't watched it since i usually hate like most things sports but friday night lights like seriously scratches that each of i think when you were describing the show i mean it seems like this show is more on the sports and less on the ice cold drum or the fairly. Any high school drama. It's kind of amazing. Usually there's some sort of internal external life to the volleyball world but all the drama and all the character building takes place on the court which is kind of amazing event. This i think you will enjoy this. Peter think brad you would also enjoy this. This might be the gateway show for you. I don't know qaeda anime. Is this volleyball okay. On the band. I think in previous weeks both jacob and i have praised disney's crew ella and ben. You're here to give us the other side of thanks. Yeah i just really not like this movie. i don't need to go on whole rant about it just wasn't for me. I didn't really appreciate any of the creative choices in it I know that sounds live. But i really think it's. It's pretty true. I think that the one thing that i'm happy about is that this is not a you know. A shot for shot remake in the vein of the lion. King or union abused or something. It's there at least doing something else. i just haven't to think in this instance that something else was not a not what i wanted to see. It was not particularly well done But i hope. I hope it does well so disney will hopefully learn the lesson of like okay. It's it's it's okay to diverge from the source material or whatever so yeah i just Meant the. I don't even wanna get into a a list of reasons. Why didn't care for this movie. Because i i like get sidetracked would be here all day. So i'll just say carrillo was not very good in my opinion so leave it at that. I'm sure everybody else. Can you know it's out on in theaters right now. I think it's on disney plus if you wanna check it out i wouldn't encourage it but we think i gotta ask you ben what what is like if you're going to give the number one reason why he did not like this movie. Oh man what is what bugged me the most of a crowd. Let me try to think about this There are so many that are vying for for that top spot. Peter that's honestly hard to to come up with something I think let's just say the the soundtrack. That's something that i i've seen a lot of Celebration of and. I think this is this movie. Must have just an absolutely insane budget for set aside for music because there are wall to wall Not just famous but like arguably iconic songs in this and the it just. I don't know. I think a lot of people are like they go to the movies and they're just like oh. Yeah the song. This is great. I can tap my foot to this for a second and like don't really think about it very much which is fine especially in a movie like this is not necessarily asking you to to think critically about the music that you're hearing it's just sort of serving tillich bump up the energy in the pacing of a movie like this but i personally just found a way to distracting. I think it was just the sheer bombardment of of the soundtrack. Really like took me out of the movie in a way that That stranded me. And i was not a fan of so. That's one reason. That's good. Because i think even people that like it point out that soundtrack because it is so obvious and something that you accursed you while you're watching it you're like oh wow there's all these like and maybe that is a good criticism because good movie. Maybe you shouldn't be thinking that. So yeah i mean you know different movies work in different ways in this one i it tried something. I respected for for taking a swing. I just didn't really think it connected for me personally. So that's all. I'll say about that. I also watch the texas chainsaw massacre for the very first time Somehow i watched the The jessica biel remakes. Came out in the early two thousands asaba in theaters with my friends. When i was in either high school or junior high. I don't remember which Whatever year that that came out. But i've never seen the original movie in it is on the criterion channel. Right now so. I went and watched that and Chris i have a question for a horror related question for you. Has there ever been a A slasher film protagonist that screams more than Maryland burns does in the lead role in this movie. I'm sure the answer is yes. But i know what you're saying. There is a lot of ab- screaming in this movie. But i also think that screaming is justified because a lot of horrific stuff is going. Oh yeah absolutely yeah. I enjoyed the movie a lot as much as you can enjoy something. That is like a horrifying like this. I think the first half is is pretty quiet in a way that i appreciate it in but yeah meant like the the entire back half of the movie. Just one sustained scream from maryland birds. I like actively felt bad for her. When i was watching this movie just being like man how many i wonder how many takes they had to do with this. And just like a just thinking about you. Know this Experience from her perspective. Just like holy crap. She was just her lung or harare. Vocal cords must've absolutely shot but yet leather face. Like you know at like i said. I saw that at early remake leather faces. A character never really meant anything to me. Stood out to me. I i often forget he exists. You know when. I think about in the the great horror movie characters. Or whatever. Always think about freddy and jason and those guys but Leather face does not really enter my mind but after having seen this and just seeing what a Like a lumbering force he is. I can totally understand why audiences were completely freaking. The hell out movie came out in the mid seventies So and it also had a little bit of that. that A blair witch kind of vibe to it. Where the filmmaking is so good the end and so The direction is so purposeful that it kind of feels. It almost feels at times like you're watching a home movie like you're watching something that is real. So i think all of those factors combined to be a into something that that has certainly stood the test of time. So that is the texas chainsaw massacre you can watch it on the criterion channel. Do you want to check that out. Also on the criterion channel. I watch house of great house of me. Nineteen eighty-seven movie from david. Mammoth which this was his feature to'real debut and he wrote the screenplay exit very famous Screenwriter in stage writer and He's just a you know. One of those like iconoclastic guys and he. This movie house of games is Is really really fun. It's it's it's a a dark adults sexy a con man movie. Basically it's all about Cons and ricky jay the the magician pathway years ago plays a supporting role in it. i think lindsey krause is the lead at joe. Montana is the the. I guess the male lead in the movie. But it's about this woman who basically like stumbles into this this din of conman and sort of trust ingratiate herself into their lives and learn about how they poll cons on people. So if you like movies like I don't know the brothers bloom and I'm trying to think of other common movies off the top of my head and i can't come up with any right now but this is sort of in that vein It's it's very sort of like twisty sexy thriller and and it's one of those movies that feels like it's made for adults and we end. It's like an original thing and we just don't get very much of that in our current movie landscape so it was refreshing in that regard. It's called of games. And then finally. I watched the movie called plan. B which is on hulu right now and it's a comedy and It it's the latest in this line of comedies about About young women who have sexual encounters are this takes place in the aftermath in with them trying to figure out what they're going to do you had never rarely sometimes last year as unprecedent which is a movie that i sort of was trying to champion last year. The hbo original that that was like. Oh i think it came out right around the time that hbo max launched not a lot of people had subscribed to that service yet and people are still sort of navigating okay. Do i even have this. What's going on. And i still feel like i'm pregnant is really unseen Gem that has not been given its proper. Do and i feel like a lot of people are watching plan. B because a got a decent marketing push and it has a great premise. But i really feel like After watching this that it's basically doing almost the exact same thing that on pregnant was doing a little bit worse and that's the plan. B. is still good I just think people are gonna watch this movie and be like wow. This is so fresh and a brand new kind of thing. But i'm pregnant is just sitting back there. Meekly waving from a distance in the background. Like guys. I was here last year doing this thing so i just want to encourage people maybe watch both of them and see which one you like the most but victoria morales and coup irma art to leads in this and they're both very good Natalie morales directed this movie And it's it's good. It's just watching it a with on pregnant in in the back of mind. It's kind of insane. How many a direct connections there are actually texted. Dave chan the other day and set for anybody who listens to this podcast. Who also listen to the slash film cast and i told him watch on pregnant and then watch plan b if you want to do the biggest boom goes the dynamite moment in slash got left from cast history because he does that a lot where he'll he'll draw comparisons between movies that That do the same thing or have the same themes or little moments and stuff like that in there are just almost too many to count between unprinted plan b but But yeah i would encourage you to watch both of them. I just happen to like i'm pregnant. A little bit better. Both movies have great titles. So that's that's let's move on to what we've been eating. I tried that spicy chicken sandwich. That brad talked above from burger king last week. Brad what is it called. It's called like the called the chicken chick king. Yeah chick king. I think it a little bit more than you. It's better than the one from macdonald's in my mind but it's still nobody is competing on the level of popeye's i ever try the spicy one. I only had the regular one so whole you. Just have the right. Yeah you don't like spice. Well so i will say this though. I do enjoy a burger king spicy chicken sandwich and wendy spicy chicken sandwich. Because it's it's not super spicy okay What have you been eating this week. i finally got my hands on the new cinnamon toast crunch variation which is called say delivery crunch and this is a new permanent flavor. It's not limited editions of you wanna find. You don't have to try and track down where it's going to disappear. It's going to be around four pre much ever. Apparently and it's it's really really good. It's not remarkably different from cinnamon toast crunch but it has just enough of that. Dossier delays flavor to make it Just just a little bit different from cinnamon toast crunch You know it's still crispy and there's still plenty of you know the the seasoning all over it. Whatever you wanna call it is. It called seasoning when it's cinnamon or dose delay flavoring. I don't know Anyway it's it's very very good and I don't know it's not going to replace cinnamon toast crunch mucus just one of the all time. Great cereals but It's a it's a nice variation. I appreciate it more than some of the other ones. Too like Tropical toast crunch is fine I know there's a lot of french toast. Crunch lovers out there. I'm not like a huge fan of. I don't dislike it. I don't think it's as great scrap to be But this is this is pretty good. I think fall somewhere. Like in the in the middle so I also tried at least two new variations on flips chocolate covered. Pretzels snacks Famous for just their regular chocolate covered pretzels. And they have some some different flavors. They came out with these two new variations of pretzel snacks One of them is flips bites. Which are like these candy bar size. snacks that are there. They're kind of like what you would I guess chocolate covered turtles are pixies but instead of pecans it's pretzels caramel and chocolate in a little bite sized morsel. And they're the preachy. Because of the amount of caramel. That's inside them. The pretzel ads. Like a nice. You know Salty variation to go along with the chocolate caramel. And they're like. I guess there candy bar sized too so like if you wanted to sneak them into movie theater not that i'm condoning that but you know. Go ahead and do it. I had a hard time finding these two so but flips actually sent me a small like promotional box to try which was awesome because they were very difficult to find. But if you're looking for them. I guess they're available at sheets. Gas stations and cvs. Which is i. Guess the place to get chocolate covered. Pretzels i don't know But they have they'll have another variation called a flips stuffed that stuff apostrophe d in everyone's curious and these are Pretzel nugget bites. That are filled with peanut butter and covered with chocolate Which is something that i was all about. Just because i'm a as reece's peanut butter cup fan just chocolate peanut butter mixture in general. I try anything that contains chocolate and peanut butter. And these are really good there For somebody like me. When i have chocolate stomach that i always like having milk. These almost like a necessity. Like if you were eat these like years gonna need some milk because the peanut butter with the pretzel in the chocolate. It's just it's it's really good but it's also it'll just you'll find yourself dragging your mouth out. I think in a in a hurry just because of how much how much there is in one in one bite but very good so go. I love that flips. Just learn that you were looking for them in there like brad. We'll send you some. Yeah it's i i was. I was happy about that. You know if anybody out there wants to do it. I'm not going to be upset about so english muffins. We all like english muffins right. There's i heard about this. I guess this english muffin flavors. I know there's like very basic variations of like bagels in english muffins like cinnamon raisin and blueberry and stuff like that but it seems like Thomas english muffins have been like do other like expanding flavors and things like that. 'cause i just found out that they have had cinnamon bun english muffins which i was like okay And i grab some. And i didn't wanna do it with regular butter so i use this like honey cinnamon butter that i had from from kroger is where we got it and these are. They're really good at. It's like it's kind of like an a substitute for a donut. He gets 'cause it's like it's a little bit sweet but it's really good toasted It's not necessarily a super satisfying if you're going to have it dry but if you're having english muffins or toast dry. I think that like you're a maniac. So no one's doing that But if you have a good Butter to put on them. They they have just the right amount of sweetness to bring the the cinnamon buns flavor out. So they're they're solid. What about for breakfast sandwich. brad. I mean i bet that's actually a really good question. I haven't. I haven't thought about doing that but not too long ago. I had a doughnut burger from specialty burger. Place around here where. The bunn was a a glazed doughnut. And i it was. It's very very good. I support a great mix of salty. Sweet and. I feel like this could be interesting. Actually it would probably be like akin to having a mcgreal from mcdonald's It probably wouldn't be quite as sweet as doesn't have that like syrupy flavor. But i bet you would be good with have some egg sausage cheese Out to see. If i can give that a try report back. I will And then something awesome. That i tried is this saint. Elmo's cola cocktail saint. Elmo's very famous steakhouse if you haven't heard of it it's it was featured in parks Region and apparently they have their own line of whiskey and cocktails. That i learned about a friend of mine told me about these canned cola cocktails from saint elmo's that it is It's bourbon whiskey. Cherry vanilla bean flavors with Mixed with a cola essentially a comes in a can it. The taste is so good it doesn't taste like alcohol at all. it just tastes like a delicious Cherry vanilla soda and they're awesome. I was so surprised by how much i like these. Because normally when i get him cocktails. There's something that's not quite right about the mixture It doesn't it doesn't taste as good as a legit mixed drink if you were to get it from a bar But this was just an incredible. The only problem with this is that a four pack of Hands cost at a when. I got them from kroger. Anyway was a sixteen ninety nine. Which if you think about in the grand scheme of things that that is typical like the stuff i get the Waters are like about four dollars a can. Yeah and i think it's just i was just like i mean you can spend you know like seventeen eighteen dollars and get a whole bottle of jack daniels or something like that and so in my mind. I'm mike yeesh. But i guess like if you're paying for a mixed drink somewhere that's not too bad of a price. Yeah you're paying for the convenience spread. Yeah and that's fine but there is that's gonna get all the time but that they were good to have At a memorial day. Cookout that i had this threatened so if you can find him i got. I got mine at kroger. I don't know if they're available everywhere so you have to look them up and say guys this week we have a. What's what we've been playing. Ht what have you been playing. Yeah and i'm continuing the old tradition of putting what i've been listening to and what i've been playing and that is big finishes ninth doctor. Adventures the ravages and yes. This is doctor who related. So this is the law of return of christopher eccleston In his role as the ninth doctor. He hasn't been seen onscreen as the doctor since he left the show in two thousand and five and he kind of distanced himself from the show famously to the children of many fans but because he there's been some behind the scenes chatter about it mostly that he was blacklisted by the bbc that he fell out with the producers. And there's all there's a whole story around. That still hasn't really totally been confirmed but back in the doctor who world after fifteen years and he. It's only an audio form but still it's a really really exciting moment for a doctor. Who fans who vegans. And he's he's just settled into the role totally and completely in this audio adventure like three volumes. And i didn't. I don't know how long it is. Actually i didn't look it up but it's it i listened to it over a i don't know actually i won't say i'm just forget that i don't know how long it is so it but it's it's great return to form for christopher eccleston. He is really young sounding and joyful in the audio drama which is exciting. It feels like There's he fueled feels like he's happy to be back in it The story itself a little convoluted. I think it it. Drops you kind of right in the middle and then it doesn't totally wrong together. It's as lot even by dr. Who's centers a lot of plot holes roaches. Like i just happy enough to have chris eccleston back though so he'll be returning for more audio adventures under big finish Later on but Yeah i showed up twenty bucks by this and I was really happy to hear it. Even though even though i have my criticisms with the story itself okay very cool so you can find that. Wherever audio books are sold guessing audible or amazon. Yes it's on big finishes website to. There's a yeah. I'm sure you'll find it up. Okay that does. For today's sasha daily you can find more of work national dot com. You can find this podcast on apple. Google overcast spotify by apps. Please feel free to send your feedback. Questions comments concerns to appear clash dot com in. Please rain this podcast and itunes or apple. Podcasts tell your friends for the word it will see you tomorrow in here. Say can't read from book in.

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Dunkirk With Sean Fennessey, Chris Ryan, and Quentin Tarantino

The Rewatchables

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Dunkirk With Sean Fennessey, Chris Ryan, and Quentin Tarantino

"Seeing home doesn't help us get there captain. This is the re watchable dunkirk practically. See it from here so we have a job to do on me take me home done Kirk Ready. PT Thirteen see it in seventy millimeter. July twenty first. Welcome to the REWATCH ables Dunkirk. My name is Shawn Fantasy. I'm joined by two guests today. The ringers Press Ryan and Special Guest Quentin Tarantino. Hello hello welcome to the re watchable Sir. Good to be here thank you. You Know Quentin you and I were talking a little bit about this show and you made some suggestions for movies you want us to do. And before we get into the nitty nitty gritty of dunkirk. I think we just gotTa start with why Dunkirk for Rewatch was up so this movie that only came out two years ago. I guess it was because in the last asked month or so. I've been getting obsessive about making my top ten list of the decade of the twenty tens. So I found myself if Watching watching bunch of stuff like a second time or third time that I hadn't watched in years and really really pitting the movies against each other. Ah Watching things that I just missed. Always heard they were good but like something like Logan which I never got around to sing. I finally got around to seeing it to see how it could fit and uh it was in watching Dunkirk a third time making my top ten list that I think I had a preliminary at seven and it jumped up to number two. Wow after I saw after I saw the the third time and I was just really kind of caught so so when when we started talking about different movies to to see that was definitely one that I had just completely brand new fresh passion for and frankly wrinkly. I'm not just not that used to being that passionate about a movie that new and I actually thought it would just. It would play great as a rewatch until well. I didn't even know I didn't even have a whole spiel about it either. So that's that's one of the things I thought it would be kind of fun to just really explore it. When you first suggested it I was was a little challenged by it? I have complex feelings about Christopher Nolan's films. Chris Adores unabashed. Christopher Nolan films. Chris you WanNa give me a little bit of your immediate reaction to the film when you first saw it and maybe you're saying well a Chris Nolanda doors Christopher which is which. I think it's very true. I'm positive that's right. He's within his My first reaction to what I saw I saw it down the street arc light and I just said like I I it blew my brains out like I just think. It's one of the most overwhelming physical experiences I've had at a movie theater and it definitely just feels like it's shot got on God's Tripod. Nothing gives you a sensation of like. I don't know there's there's very few films that give me the sensation of I understand the enormity of the physical all setting that this is where this is taking place and you those first shots of Hardee's Trio of Spitfires flying over the channel and you're like the earth is fucking amazing and dangerous and this guy is taking in the elements with his filmmaking and really you can feel that the entire time so that once you start actually. It's actually on rewatch that you start processing chronology and all the temporal stuff that he's doing. I'm GonNa just do some details of this movie before we dive right into our serious conversation so so. The movies obviously written and directed by Christopher Nolan the cast includes a series of relative unknowns including fiene Whitehead. Tom Glynn Carney Jack. Loudon little man Harry styles unearned in Barnard. James d'arcy Barry Kill and then Kenneth Brannagh Kilian Murphy Mark Rylance and Tom Hardy round out the cast very well known. Scores from Hans Zimmer. It's an important part of this movie. I'm sure we'll talk about it here. It's warner brothers. Released the movie on July twenty first two thousand seventeen. With the exception of the occasional recent history classic. I would say this is the earliest we've come to a movie. Aside right from your sort of a star is born. We looked at that right away. Hundred and fifty million dollar reported budget five hundred and twenty six million dollars at the box office. It won best sound editing. Best Sound Mixing Xing and Best Film. Editing at the Oscars had five other nominations including picture Director Cinematography score production design ninety two percent on rotten tomatoes. Which of course we know means nothing? Yeah we you quoted that you're well I'm just don't care. Don't care now you're quoting trying to stick to the script. Yeah there are no Roger Ebert quote quotes and why you guys are quoting. Roger Ebert Has Aristotle Having Andrew Sarah Palin Kale maybe well it's because we have an emotional intellectual war with our common co host. Bill Simmons. Who because you could easily go and ride Roger Ebert Dot Com and find out what that is true Nevertheless this is a movie about the dramatic story of the DUNKIRK evacuation during World War Two and nineteen forty and it's one of the most intense war films ever made Quinton upon revisiting. It did it. Feel even more watchable to you after that third time you've seen it yeah well. I had a like Chris. I had a very interesting experience with it. The first couple of times The first time I saw it was one of those special screenings where it's There's this thing that happens in Hollywood. When in Chris Nolan finishes a movie he has his special screening for directors usually has it at the Universal city walk. Yeah I match theater. It's like nine nine in the morning or something and literally everybody from the directors guild. Zehr your go to see it Michael Massing there and Walter Hill's over there and Paul Thomas Anderson has asked and so I watched the film Ben with all those guys and now having seen it four times times. I don't know what I was thinking the first time because like you said it just I just dealt with the spectacle of it all though I couldn't deal with anything anything else but the spectacle of it all and and frankly I I really liked the movie but the spectacle almost numb to me to the To the experience I don't know if I felt anything emotionally because of the spectacle I was just kind of odd by but I don't even know what I was awed by way to tell you the truth. Did you find it confusing at all. Because it's obviously told in this three part style one week one day one. Were you able to understand the plotting specifically not per se. But I don't even think that first time that I was even noticing that much of a plot I was actually. I was just going from emotion to emotion you know and and And so so there was no confusion as far as I was concerned I kind of had a kind of had a good sense of the people we were cutting around two and there was a and like I said I've seen it since then. There's like all the stuff that I didn't get all this stuff that I didn't really understand to the degree that I did after I saw a few other times. But you know it was interesting. Though that that experience I remember talking to the time my fiance about it allows really. That was really something but I didn't really have anything anything more to say other than that. Then we went to the ARC light the weekend. The movie open not to see that. We'll want to see the last of the planet the eight movies and is this one little fear every other every other screen showing all right and I was a little surprised by the the dunkirk fever that was going on in the ARC. Light Lobby for short hat that weekend. I mean everybody was seeing everybody was excited about about and literally was it was almost every other theater except for the one showing more of the plan the apes and all the people along the bar. Everybody was there to see Dunkirk and I go oh okay good for craftsmen. That's pretty cool anyway. A few weeks later I found myself in England and I had a day that was just kicking around piccadilly circus and I had just bought because I'll see a show while I'm here in the west end and I had tickets to see the meat loaf jukebox musical had going on that at a him Yeah Yeah and I had no illusions. I was going to like it but I'd like meatloaf music and said I wanted to say thanks and if you've ever been to piccadilly circus there's that one huge theater that's at the end of the that big square and so don Kirk was playing there and the Don Kirk Marquee was. You could see it from a mile away and I was like Maybe I'll maybe I'll see dunkirk here. This England sounds like a really London. Sounds like a really good place to see Dunkirk and I could see this again and so I went to the box office. And there's no way I'd be able to get to the MEATLOAF show by the time this thing was over and I decided FM. I'll how forget the MEATLOAF show. I'll just going to commit to sing dunkirk a second time so a scalp the meatloaf tickets or did I just hate it. And so the thing is I'm There's a a young guy at the box office and I go. Yeah I'm you see. The web is like the five fifty or something of Dunkerque US oh good one. Good one you're going to really like it. You're going to really like really like it. You know and So he sold me the ticket and then I go to the young Gal. WHO's tearing the ticket? And she has. Maybe nineteen or something you know. And and She's I'm saying she recognizes me. She's excited that I'm coming in the theater. Oh what are you seeing gumming Alad smashing nothing you know and then So I'm already walking in the theater with this really sweet vibe of like wow. These are like young people. There's British young people but they really responding to this movie. They're really liking it but it's more than they really like it. They're proud of it. Yeah Yeah Yeah. They're proud of their proud. That a British movie about a British event was made and just proud of it and it was one of the sweetest feelings I had had had going into a movie in quite a while and then I felt it with everybody in the audience everyone in the theatre. I had a really I'M I. We're all watching this movie together. And there was something about seeing dunkirk in London. That really just kinda tipped the scales for me but even then Dan even that second time I was still taking in the spectacle. I still couldn't get past the spectacle but I appreciated the spectacle more I saw how the spectacle worked a little better. I saw the engines worked and I appreciated that it wasn't until that third time whereas gauging it For the top of the of the the two thousand ten's that I finally could see past a spectacle into the people into the people that story was about I didn't lose the spectacle but I now finally could so I could see through the trees a little. Well it's so interesting that you say that because in a lot of ways is a direct without a country or at least had been right like this is by as far as most British foam for a for British need of it was sort of odd that Not a lot of other work deals with the English national character at all our English history and his American American American quote unquote films have a degree of otherness to them. Like they don't necessarily feel like the characters in his movies don't feel like New Yorkers or and I and I don't think he even has spent some time growing up in the state. Sure I think that shows you know but like there isn't there isn't like a feeling of like the recklessness vulnerability that you may like ascribe to like an American character even American director that British but there's British or is it doesn't quite feel like a British director either and this is such a love letter her to watch Shaun of the dead by Edgar Right. That feels like somebody who grew up in London. Talking about what they know about about layabouts it's entrenched all the cultures. Yeah it's a funny thing because I think that the dunkirk evacuation is a fascinating to look at it. I think in part quote. You're you're saying it's totally true. which is that in a British leader? Make much more sense because that event is so deeply ingrained in the character of the people who live in that country and it's eight years old and yet there's still an awareness of it in states. I don't think we know very much about that. Even though there have been movies made about tangentially related to it had been a longtime since. We'd seen an onscreen and I think that that was more that feeling in the ARC. Light that you guys are both describing was Nolan. The Nolan effect that he has a kind of. There's an awareness about when he does something. It's a big deal it's meaningful and this is the first time he had done something in a while. There wasn't science fiction or wasn't in the Comic Book Realm and that also was kind of portrayed it was gonNA pitch to us as audience members as an event as as a throwback event that we all needed to see it really worked. I mean so many people went to go see this movie Chris. Your father was British. Yeah did you have an awareness of dunkirk. Well he was born in forty two and his father was in the RAF so he there was definitely like talk about it and just in my family. In general there is I feel like I grew grew up with a pretty distinct awareness about world. War Two both from my mom's side because her father was a captain in the Red Cross and for my dad's aside. I never really knew my grandfather that will but I'm very familiar with the fourth time watching this. You start to notice certain types of behavior that you you were associated with Britishness even the Kind of stiff upper lip nece and in the face of these kind of really catastrophic conditions and conditions in which many people are breaking character is going through that you get those brands moments and you get those Those moments of actual like resolve in the face of like really difficult circumstances which you know much much smaller scales. I recognized in my dad. I recognize as part of the psychology and not always for the Best S. You know what I mean but like definitely definitely resonant gwen. I feel like you challenged us a little bit with dunkirk because maybe this movie does not perfect for all of the categories. We have the pound reflection I think that some of these cataracts are GonNa work really well and some of them are not but can you just talk. Maybe the three of us going to talk a little bit about Nolan. In time shifting before we get too deep into them because because this movie is if forces you to crane your neck and it is much more rewarding on second and third watch I think even beyond just the theater experience home I thought was is really helpful for me and seeing the way the pieces fit together works really well in general especially if somebody who knows a lot about time shifting in movies what do you make of the choice to kind have storytelling. You know a lot of films that Worked through cross cutting which is always been Nolan's back Almost to a degree where you could almost make fun of it. Actually because it's like he just builds up to these big set pieces and it cross cuts between three different sequences going on at the same time with the three sixty cameras moving. And then Hans Zimmer doing a basil pescadores like score and then in and so that's the middle of the movie and then there's fifteen minutes of other junk and then all of a sudden they works up another big sequence Reid's cutting three sixties and the Basil pescadores. Shit going on you could almost You could you could parody that almost to a degree But in Dunkirk he figured out a way to do that for the entire hire movie and actually have it work Sh- I think it's one of those things. Where oftentimes you see a film the where the style is is about the Adrenalin of it. This is the style is about this immersive experience and then by the third viewing or even the fourth viewing You could pass the style at at at a certain point. And you realize you're you're saying that the magician's tricks a little bit. I actually think in the case of dunkirk it it rewards. It rewards his efforts to see it more. I mean there's there's a there's a point this the fourth time I watched it watching it last night knowing I'm coming in here now it's amid movie. It's like he he can do it wrong. I mean it's just every cut to every moment that he stays with the guy crashing in the water. Who Can Dan get? The Cockpit Open Collins Collins to actually like the fact that I don't know anybody's name George. I wrote down that you're not supposed to do though you're not supposed to know who that dude Israel who kind of is our lead care Scottish. There is a general anonymity to everybody because they all of the British fleet basically. Who brought US supposed to be playing general? Whatever the General Exposition Plan? That's what about you. I I feel like you're all very open open hearted to to the Nolan style. I've been I've been candidly a little more critical in the past. I think that you know one of the things that was interesting was when I I think I remember having this conversation with you and it came out which was whether or not this particularly worked for something that was by you. Know is a real event. This is real historical event that took place and whether or not manipulating it like. That makes it feel that way but especially on also the four three watch and I watched it last night and simply influ watched it on a on a laptop with airlines do but I will say same effect and more because of the cutting and the music than it was because because of the cinematography and the scope. I think that what happens is and he's talked about. This is essentially the entire films. A third act the entire film is is the tension you would feel in the last fifteen minutes of a movie last thirty minutes of a movie sustained throughout. Because that's what it would have felt felt like to be there. I mean it has it has the it truly has. The effect of the entire movie is a huge accident action. Seeing the entire movie is the trailer to the movie yet truly feels like it. It feels like a trailer are accepted actually traded it has weight and has depth. And that you actually care. One of the things I love to is its length. It is one of the briefest of Nolan's movies and in feels worthy of. Its run time in a very specific way. When it's over you're like Oh man I actually would like to go back? Even though it's the most harrowing possible sequence you could have well. I actually think I actually think that's one of the things should be talked. Talked about. Is the idea that My feeling is that every movie is Genre Movie Eric. Rohmer movies are genre movies. Are Eric Rohmer. You're not and you can try to make a movie like that like Clair's knee if you want and The big battle movie is a genre. That's very well established in cinema. Your whether it's the the Phony Bologna and has a battle of the bulge or if it's a the longest day or Waterloo or whatever but but it's a pretty elephant tiny genre we midway. There's a new midway coming through now. I remember the Jack Smith. Jack's might midway incense around the second one after earthquake But th- Tora Tora Tora. They were all They had big dusty st cast and they were like three hours long and the whole idea whether they got it right or wrong was to kind of tell you what what happened. That was the story of the the battle. The story that led to the battle and and dramatized wikipedia movies in candidate. They kind of where it was and right enough all right the good now I think frankly the only one that actually goes to the level of art would be Alexander Nevsky and maybe if you really liked the Russian guy who did it War and peace. Maybe you might think of his version warn piece rate of his version of Waterloo as an example or maybe you could throw in Zulu Zulu Zulu dawn but yeah at the end of the day. I still go back. Alexander Nevsky when it comes to an artist doing it and kind of blow you away and But with dunkirk on Kirk seems like he made it for reasons different than anybody's ever made a big battle movie before it is far less important to him to tell you the story of exactly what happened in Dunkirk and I think the reason he wanted to do it is less important than the story. He figured out how he figured out how to make a movie about it. And it's not a wikipedia thing. It's not a history lesson. Even though some history is learned it was he figured out how to tell this as a movie and Any any tested himself. He didn't he didn't let it get big. It didn't let it get bloated. He kept it kept it a movie and then he ends up telling you the story of Dunkirk. But that's a secondary thing out of the sensory experience of watching dunkirk. I think also one of the things that a movie like this does. This is rather than feel like you've learned everything you want to learn more after you've seen the movie which is also really powerful. It's the once the one that I was thinking about because I was is gonNa ask you a question about how you saw this in the sort of tradition and legacy of World War Two movies which is honestly those are probably by favorite kind of movies the end this I kind of like related to bridge too far because it's also about a failure essentially but it's about finding some sort sort of hope in the failure and averting total and complete catastrophe but that is a wikipedia it's all the three and a half hour staking detail of okay. Okay took a took the bridge. Then they lost. The bridge took the bridge back with Goldman even mentioned about how the fact that the most the most heroic moment that he could find in the entire hire story of a bridge of a bridge too far he couldn't put in the movie. Movie Set yes. Which is not Robert Redford going going across the channel? All right. It's it's Because he's going across the channel it's the fog than the fog lifts. And then they get SCHRAFFT's He could use that in the but the bravest thing is the guys who have to come after him. Yeah and there is no fog and that was the bravest thing that happened during that entire our battle and couldn't use it because well after read did it who wants to see the other stuff and I got other shit to do and I feel like this movie. If no one's movie resets the Calculus on what what you can do in a big battle warmer because it's it's a loss it's a movie about a loss. Well I mean one one of the things about it I mean in its own way. It's very Britishness Britishness is what makes it so special especially this kind of Britishness attached to this kind of adrenaline. which is not usual? Yeah right no coward didn't do this and but yeah and he's and a lot of the British war-film seem very very dusty now tunes of glory the Cruel Sea. Yo Yo ice cold analysis still has a lot of juice but a lot of the The the more classic British movies in which we serve seem really dusty compared to the American American ones which seem you know have have just had a little bit more juicy J or not but but one of the things though. Is the national identity of the battle movie like for instance one of the movies. It's not even a battle per se but that was always a big fan of Rene Clement's is Paris burning and that definitely has a real French kind of quality to it and it tells the entire story of the resistance and I think it really really cool way especially with great black and white but dunkirk. There's a long been said that And bankers is the example that they use is the British romanticized sized defeats even the British romanticize their feet the way other countries romanticize their triumphs and that very British quality Of doing that in this tale in particularly I particularly I think is one of It's it's it's a one of its defining quality. Yeah in the last six hundred years is the story of England becoming increasingly less powerful in the world. So it's only appropriate that they feel that way but they're probably the definitive line and not to jump on quote because it's like like we were saying it's hardly a best quote but it's the guy saying well done that's that's kind of the theme of the movie is if you will. We survived. But it's like well that's all you have to do. Yeah to to reduce category before we move on. Let's take a quick break. 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Okay we started out okay for us so that was a question we had about like opening about About best scene where it's like and I agree with you. I think we should keep to the the movie. But it's a question that needs to be asked because of his stretching stretching time out and because of his slicing and dicing these moments so. It's like Tom Hardy. Lose a running. Got A gas that travels for about almost twenty minutes of the movie. So are you. Are you gonNA edit that out of the movie in its own section or you or you do deal with the three different sections. He has it in. We three are in charge of this podcast. If you want to do that I think it does make I mean. It's tricky because Nolan captures is a great moments frequently on the movie. That's not exactly a seen a lot of times when we talk about what we define as a scene. It's two characters in a room and they're having extraordinary conversation and then something wild happens. Someone gets shot or someone off a building or someone just says something clever. This is a quieter move. Even though it's one of the loudest movies you could ever see. Yeah I I look. I'm I broke it down into the sections that appeared in the movie. Okay yeah okay. So I'LL I'll kick a couple your way guys telling you what's what's missing. I think undoubtedly one of my absolute favorite opening scenes things in the last ten years the leaflets falling from the sky as the Germans are pressing down on their backs is just incredible but I think I think I think it goes all the way to the beach where you hear. The opening the differs credit. The mole. Absolutely that is that extended period and that's one of the most extended period the movie. I feel like before the cross cutting happened before we realize they were in a different kind of move. You remember that feeling. We had when we first saw him. You're like oh he's going somewhere else and what is one day in verses one week it's confusing but it's interesting and I didn't actually to be completely honest. No that the mole was the name for a jetty like that I like. Is there a spy. Like oh he's like a mole hunt which it actually he is in some ways. I also have saving killing Murphy carried risk discovering him sitting on a plane and we realize realized that the movie is it's unclear what timeframe we're operating in but pulling him off and then realizing that we have character one who's a very recognizable actor yet to someone going going through. PTSD instantaneously the changes. The biochemistry of all the people on that boat three commander bulletin sees eight hundred ships in the distance though your mind for modern showing up yeah okay well yes. That's incredible and then I'm going to just put four. I'm sure we have many more. But farrier sets plane ablaze the end of the movie. Hardy watches it. Bernard is taken off. So that's my four. You guys what else. What else is on your list one? Well I for the whole forty five minutes okay. If you're just going to Eh okay this no no. I'm not breaking the rules. I'm saying okay. You've got the first forty five minutes so it's just where do you. Where where does this sequence start? and where does that sequence again. All right so okay so if it starts with the leaflets. And what's and the Guy who shall not be named apparently our lead fee on Whitehead. Yeah Okay Awesome. Is he ever called by his name in the movie. I don't think things I don't think so. I don't know when he gets. Does anybody ever say Tommy. Who the hell he doesn't? He doesn't meet anybody who knows him. That's true amazing. To be a stranger injure in a strange land but have be surrounded by thousands of people that look just like yeah. I mean but it's like not to get too off I mean that's also one of my favorite things about like the movie and one of the things we're talking about my review for Scape- escape from Alcatraz and There's a crafting of Clint Eastwood's character. Character Frank Morrison that movie. That's really really fascinating. And you could actually Kinda feel like eastwood and Siegel Working Together. Like how long can we go before. Frank excess anything. Yeah Yeah you actually feel that you actually feel an instant. It's not self conscious the way it is in with McQueen in Lamont's all right it's actually seems like no. It's it's it's it's It's Kinda great pulp. What they're trying to do and it's like how long can we go before he says anything thing and then? How long can we go before he says his next thing and I feel that that is a quality that he brings to this kid? That you you end. Who Ends up becoming you in the in the course of the film and it's also very interesting about the fact that the kids not necessarily heroic? Tom Hardy heroic is fuck all right but the kids don't necessarily heroic. He is just trying to survive. He's trying to take a dump like he's like. He's like scared shitless literally. Ah Yes and that's one of the things that makes that opening scene brings it around is oh the whole scene has been him trying to take. That dumped yes. Classic thing that I just didn't get the first two times I watching the time I was trying to think of it in the first two minutes of the movie and this is not something you expect any Christopher Nolan more I mean it is one of those things when you're you're watching a director's cut inception we're GONNA go to the bathroom. I mean honestly I would appreciate more scenes like that but like but like I said for the first forty five minutes. Okay okay so if it ends with a him getting to the beach and seeing the mole credits Right after he meets the French guy for the first time Well then the next thing would be the air attack attack the air attack on the beach with one of the greatest. Maybe maybe the greatest shot in war movie history boom boom boom boom. You know a Them dropping the bombs and just him in the foreground. help us understand how that how that happened. I don't that's one of those. That is one of those rare but when you see your I don't get how he did. There are multiple shots in this movie that I was GONNA say like. Please help me understand how anybody can make. That shot happened. Like like dogfight shots where the cameras still. And I'm just like I don't get it. How did this happen? Well it's like I. I think one of the things about Nolan. Is You know if he can do it in real life. He's going to do it if he can do it. Practically we're all all he has to do is send it to the lab afterwards. That's how he's going to do it. That's what makes it a good shot as opposed to an a paint set that you can pay anything thing you want so things might have been sweetened later. I would imagine that. Yeah we put the kid on the ground. He created his frame and then created a series as of explosions that got closer and closer and closer and then he and my guess is he probably had a dummy for the for the guy that explodes. He animated aided later out. After the fact I was feeling it would be hard to do this without just a little bit. A little sprinkle of touching at the end. But it's I mean it's incredibly effective effective but the thing that but you know but the thing and he has about he has about four or five in this movie and Of just a great shots of an artist of of a great director. Artashat will there whether it's like when the ships are helping in the weird angle that he gets shows the ship tilting the water rushing in. I mean he just keeps doing that all the time he keeps making it an artistic an artistic experience even something like Saving Private Ryan all the great shots. What's that blow you away or all in that opening that battle action which is just amazing siege? But I don't remember any shots afterwards. Yeah there's just kind of telling the story story from that point on my favorite part about the like anything involving Tommy and I noticed that this last time is that. It's it's funny that you guys mentioned Alcatraz is it's a series of jailbreaks and yet every time he gets out he winds up at another prison. It's like he escaped something he's like. I'm on the boat and now I have my jam Sandwich Mitee but fuck now. We're dispose going going down. Yeah and he knows. It's going to go down because because the French kid is outside and the frigate doesn't want to be stuck inside even though he's also probably like nervous GonNa get caught so you've got the opening scene. You've got the bombs on the beach you've got the stretcher scene and to some degree I I would even say especially for a rewatch. The first shot of George running up to the belt gets you. Because you know Georgia's got redoing you going franc's into war. George obviously a rewatch when you see him with that it Kinda Pug Beautiful Faye has come running up a grabs you very poignantly bring sliding doors thing and the other thing too crisp. What you're saying one of the things that it was so effective for me rewatching thinking about the movie? which isn't I would not? Maybe not something I was doing the first couple of times I was watching it but could there ever be a movie that has more vast and more enclosed at at the same time. You've got the fastness of the ocean and the beach and a city on lockdown that those are wide open spaces and then everything that is happening is rylance lance on a boat. Yeah farrier inside the cockpit being trapped inside of a ship that is sinking slowly being trapped on the mole which is very narrow intense. Like that is a spacial Joel Strategy. Yet it is so navy and that would like Branson were so fucking close to home like I can see Dover you know like. They know that they're they're they're close and the hopelessness hopelessness of just well. Every big ship that comes is just GonNa get bombed and the guys are gonNA drown. Yes there was only one solution and they found the one solution if he asked the hundred boats from England Chris. What are you most remarkable scenes? Anything you WANNA add the first dogfight when farrier saying I'm on him you know he's on me a on him and he comes in and the three of them and that is really pretty primal. I'm playing with toys feeling when you see that you're just like I'm now I'm just six again and I was going to mention the Sea of fire scene which is not a bunch of this tough rewatch dot call like. Hey honey can we just just hang out for a second because the channels about the light on fire. I just WanNa see that before dinner by that whole sequence of the guys on the moonstone being like like we have to get out of this and then the all the stuff he does with. Pov of hardy seeing like the bomber going towards them and knowing he's running out of Gassan reengaging and just that also happens in a very confusing. Temporal way but that fucking scene is unreal. How good man? And then the first and I I clocked it as the first first real personal dogfight yeah happens and it ends officially when the when the flight commander a plane gets snick. Yes and he doesn't go down yet but he's in trouble yes he knows he's going to have to land at some point. What other scenes pointing are more The sinking of the ship. Yeah Yeah IT YEP is amazing. It's the shot of the torpedo to there's a lot of like 'cause usually they get caught unaware with whatever's happening. I think there's a lot of like the plane flies out of the sun or that's when that's the one time I think is there going from quote unquote Gibson's perspective. And there's the guy sees torpedo and you see it coming coming like jaws towards them. Yeah so what's your vote. Most remarkable scene. I would have to say for the emotion of it all. It has to be the British soldiers saying the armada. Oh yeah that's good. I would agree with him. I would probably throw a vote on to the stretcher and one of the things about the stretch run. That's the scores truly introduced. Yeah that's when the score that's when Hans Zimmer score kicks in and you realize that this out there this is how they're going to tell. Check your pulse when that. CNN's because it's GonNa be racing because like when Nazi that kicks in exactly right. It's like that full. And there's several tracking shots in that they run across the one board of the of the mole. Remember like the they're like make a run at it a- and then they get there and they're like fuck off the boat and also when also was really great about it too is like they're doing it from mercenary resents total to get on that damn boat f the Guy on the stretcher. He might even be dead for. It's heartbreaking when they get booted off and you know they're going to get booted doc very straightforward booted off. I'm going with the leaflets. Seen just because I've never seen something so peaceful and yet so terrifying at the same time. Look if if I was if I was GONNA if I'm going for I guess my the best my favorite scene in the movie. I guess it would be the opening scene all right but I think you're You want to rewatch their motto. Nobody I you know it's the it's the emotional payoff of everything. You've been watching so I you know if that seemed and doesn't work the whole movie desert it's one of those you know I mean I can imagine like him walking with eater just just to watch that scene gene to see how the audience reacts to it and truthfully it was one of those moments watching that in London when the Mata happens and you see the different little boats and then the the music for the first time as she comes like movie music producing As opposed to driving more like a regular movie music I looked around the theater like all the Brits crying yeah every single one they all were just wiping tears out of their eyes tomase. And that's why you brought it to pay off. They're also kind of really wonderful. The the thing about the theme that gets mentioned mentioned and and I think this would probably apply to Every country making a warm movie. But there's something seemed so perfectly British about it is his old men coming to take their boys home so with boys who are fighting. This war is boys and in this case you you have old men getting their their fishing boats. And they're they're luxury their luxury little yachts in their Their little dinky things and you know and it's so you know we're going to go get our boys backward and get our lads and there's something and and you know that could be an Italy that could be an American but there's something so perfect about it being British and even even in that final moment at the end when the blind man handing out the blankets and the food and it's the same sort of pride there's a there's a national pride. It was a self preservation because they knew this was happening. What was it nine nine? How many miles away was basically from England France? I mean it's they use this nine mile swim so it's like down the street. They can't they can't afford. If the army gets vanquished. They are next thing on the boat. uh-huh what's age the best now. These categories are going to be a little bit tricky because about two years and four months past but I think that there are a couple of things that we can point out as. I've said I've been a little bit tough on Chris. Nolan in the past and I I think structure is an interesting conversation with all of his movies but the structure of moving flint. You kind of already summed it up in describing at the top but the structure of this movie is so so brilliant and is still kind of eludes me. It's construction I can't quite see how it came together and it worked so well on the rewatch that I would encourage average people. If they haven't seen this in two years. Just watch it tonight watch it. You will be rewarded for literally. Yeah I mean it it it. It seems like I don't think he makes. I don't think he puts a foot wrong. And the whole first half of the movie but by the time you get to the middle of the movie. Then it's a symphony. Yeah I mean it's just nothing nothing doesn't work everything. Everything works if when he cuts back to somebody for thirty seconds. Those are the right thirty seconds. I mean The film absolutely deserved deserved to win the Oscar for best editing. But I think it's a crime didn't win for best score. It's probably the score of a move of one movie particular that you you could define the decade by I the next thing. On my list is Hans Zimmer Score Some data points on that the ticking sound serve as a crucial theme. In the score. Were recorded by Zimmer from one of Christopher Burn's own pocket watching this he put the sounds in synthesizers and alter them in different ways for the soundtrack. The clock in the soundtrack doesn't stop ticking. During the whole movie until Alex and Tommy. Amy Are sitting safely on the train which is a great. Yes Han Zimmer obviously is a huge part of Nolan's legs filmmaker. They have an amazing collaboration. It's very well known. At this point I think the dark knight themes similarly and inception theme similarly are burned into the brains of movie obsessive. This one though is a is something where and maybe you can help us understand a little bit to me i. This has that Leoni Moriconi. You can't imagine one without the other exist without a guy in a desert if it's not yeah it's like yeah and building to the bowl ring like now the whole movie lays out out or now it's He he has a different structure than that and has more pronounced all the way through but just the way that they just kind of worked there. It's just The part of each other in a way. That's just different than a theme. There's something also about it where it's a it. It's I don't often think of it for most of the film as music I think of it as sound and so it becomes this thing that is as its as responsible for your emotional reaction to what you're seeing as as the cutting and the cinematography and the performances and in a movie that's absent of a lot of you know pretty much dialogue. This is filling in a part of the palate that he's not using. So here's one thing I have for. What's the best and I'm wondering? What if you both have an answer for this? Since you both are such scholars I think this is the first hitchcock movie masquerading as a war movie and no one was pretty straightforward about that. There are not a lot of movies that are it's almost. It's not a puzzle movie but it's a sort of like it's almost like a whodunit. or WHO's GonNa. How do we figure out what's happening? Not just in the structure of the movie but will they survive. Will these boats arrive. What exactly is the plan for? Every every character in the movie has never been done because it seemed actually oddly novel to me as I had thought thought about it through that Lens. Mount the way. We'll the way you're describing it. I ed I hadn't thought about it that way before. But I'll I'll buy what you're what you're describing. I mean oddly enough it when it comes to his structure of cutting around I actually actually think the closest thing to Something that predates it and you're gonNA laugh a little bit but I can actually see him thinking thinking this I think it it. Bears a very close Relationship to it's a mad mad mad mad world us all right once once a character is in a Madman Med world when once they just break off in there every man for himself and is now. It's just a mad chase going on. That's when the really lets lets loose and I can definitely see Chris. No one being a big fan of that movie Can you the absolute Louis really love to watch him. Watch it strange image. No I could say at the bigness of it all the size of the frame alone. It's true But also he likes big elephant Tien kind of things and use the right kind of big so he would have grown up with it. Where that would you know? That was a whether it was before my time. But they kept releasing it every three years in the seventies so I thought the theaters about four or five different times when I was before twelve before before I was twelve. But the thing is the thing about it though is The Cross cutting between the different characters. It's a mad mad mad world is is done in a similar way to the cross cutting down here and also in. It's a mad mad world. It's the theme that keeps holding it together that Ernest Gold theme keeps the the Cross. Cutting together keeps it in your mind and to even to the degree that they're even their sequences that are similar. Thomas Tom Hardy stuck up stuck up on the plane is very reminiscent of a buddy. How a Buddy Hackett and Mickey Rooney stuck in a plane that? They can't land same thing with Tom. Saint Louis Tom Hardy when the kid who should be named when he fucks up and finds himself stuck in the boat that's similar similar to Sid Caesar and Adams getting stuck in the basement and they can't get out. I must say I watch them all the time I'm growing up and it is kind of similar kind of a drag when they get stuck in the both like kind of a drag Caesar Atoms get stuck in that basement. But they're both also convergence divergence movies at the end. Everything kind of comes together and you understand it a lot more clearly absolutely. That's a sub-genre and Tom Hardy. Sailing a sailing through that sky without any gas. He's kind of the big w other things that have aged. Well Kristie already mentioned the sound design. And I think that's separate from Zimmer but also in close relationship it's just a movie that that particular sound of the Stupa fighter the flying over their heads so so so visceral evocative. I just wrote down the words Mark Rylance I think mark rylance has kind of an interesting actor to talk about. If I don't know a a lot about the British theatre Chris for whatever reason ten years ago was all in on Mark Riley. I can't remember like this is the Guy I don't know what I'm talking British. TV Show but he's obviously will fall. Which I think is the adaptation of the Hilary Mantel a novel and I think that's where Nolan sort of seized on him? He's just great and everything he's in. What it yes? In England he specialized in playing the female roles in Shakespeare production. Yeah Yeah and he's obviously a very He's a very versatile actor but he has a kind of stillness and this movie. That really serves him. Because what you're talking about that old man who is going to go out onto the sea and save his sons. What else is age the best? Well frankly I would say it's it's I think the concept of Chris Nolan's virtuosity Are you know it's like this to me. I can understand if you guys think that Dark Knight is his Apex Mountain to me. This is his apex mountain because this is where he really deal himself in a aside from Gotham city yet aside from science fiction and aside from the stadium comic con crowd all right to being a great filmmaker and I and dealing with a big subject and brought one brothers along with him in in the exactly Stanley Kubrick would have done bring warner brothers along with them. And you know it's like you know. And in and they backed him a hundred percent. And Yeah if you look at interstellar this film and then ten which is movie coming out next year. You've got three wholly original stories from big studios with big budgets that people are excited about and were eager to see they were here to interstellar. They were very dunkirk. which is kind kind of impressive to see this antenna? We'll see what we get Chris. What else is age the best? I agree with him. It's it's hard to imagine this movie being imitated or topped it it it does feel like it could only have been made by him and it could only have been told in the way that he told it. If you try to rearrange the movie in your head and say okay what would happen if you would cut it. Lorrimore linear fashion. It actually doesn't hold together as a gripping story the way it does the way he tells it so. You wind up really having something. That's it's it's a special kind of storytelling. It's only could have been done by him as far as other stuff that I feel like ages the best. I thought that we've we've had a lot of fun at the expense of no name really really really good job randall. Brittain with the faces. Yeah the faces feel like guys in photographs of British soldiers in nineteen forty. And you just you buy it. They all look like Harry styles style covered in oil. You know AH yelling at guys to bring paper four. We started this podcast. We were talking with our producer out. Why Harry Styles is in the movie and we're GonNa talk about him a little bit more? But which one is he in the movie. He's the one who's Towards the end all we. We're going to be spit on the street older. He's the one who's WHO's calling out the most of the French rich guy. Exactly and he's he's he's good he just so happens to be one of the five biggest pop stars in the world but nevertheless what's age the worst. I don't you know so this is a tough one thirty minutes. Yeah praising this movie. Here's what I wrote. Down the time shifting gimmick in in general. Is this just something that is going to be in every Christopher Nolan movie now and is that when we look back upon that as a stylistic hallmark or a crutch that is what I think people would use to criticize it the first few times I saw the movie. I didn't even realize we're going back in time. I didn't realize that I was seeing The medical ship bomb three different times. Yeah I didn't realize that this time I actually. I actually in the airplanes together. You actually repeat dialogue or didn't catch the first three times. I saw them. No I don't think so either And and so I had a little bit. Oh well wait a minute. They sank the ship in his at night. And now we cut back to mark rylance and that's during the day what's up with that But then I realized realized that they were going back in time as and if it took me the fourth time to actually realize that that seems pretty seamless filmmaking. Because it's never question. It was never a question I had. I wasn't paying attention to that. Light Davis has nights stuff the first three times I saw the phone this time. I'm really thinking about it and I go wait a minute. I thought this was all I thought this was a little bit more. Linear were cross cutting but I thought it's more linear ask going on here. But then he's he answered my questions. He solved it for me as the movie went on. So let me ask you this. I just saw a new movie coming out I won't say the movie is that similarly plays with storytelling shape and the flashback approach to telling a different story that is Kinda Miller to us. Do you guys like to be confused or disoriented. When you're walking into a movie and saying like I don't really get like I don't really I can't put my finger on it but I can't figure out what this is because you guys watch so many movies that I think you tend to send you the shape I have A? I have a specific answer for for that. The answer is I love it when I'm in good hands and if I'm confused confused and I'm not in good hands than you've broken the spell and I feel your movies just defined that what is what is good hands. Does that mean when you know who the filmmakers Oh makers going in or is it when you get to the end of the movie no I is. It could be a first time filmmaker but I I feel intention I I feel that there is an author involved here and I never ask those questions and I might ask those questions in a book but but but the author has the right in the book to tell me the story in any form in any fashion that they want to and then it's their job to take care of it eventually and when I feel I'm in the hands of an author who who is doing this on purpose and I don't need to know this and I don't need to know that and you know and I am constantly withholding information from my audiences if I don't want to know what I don't want you to fuck it known and and I'm always asking you to answer the question yourself and you jio example is if you think cliff booth killed his wife while you're watching one movie right and if you think it's just a tragic accident that happened and he's had to live with this black stain when you're watching a whole other movie and that's up to that's up to you guys to decide you know. Is Chris Mannix. It's the sheriff. A red rocket rising not depending on what they answer to. That question is those are two different movies. You just watch what about. We haven't anything like that in this. No no no but there is Well so here's the thing. There are things that happened in that we can project into the future in the movies that we don't know and maybe unanswerable questions. We'll go get like did the English when the word they did they. I would say that. You've mentioned authors and the first thing that jumps into my mind was Ian McEwan. wrote this novel called Atonement which dunkirk figures very heavily and Joe Wright film of the movie. That also has a pretty amazing sequence during dunkirk without giving too much away for anybody who happens to want out to redetermined there is A. There's a twist in NATO meant that takes place very late in the book that I remember just my wife was reading the book and I remember her actually throwing rolling the book across the room because she was so shocked and upset by it. So that's one way of kind of keeping people in the dark is to set them up for some sort of shock or emotional emotional manipulation. I don't ever think that Nolan does that. which is not to say that one is better than the other? But I don't think no one does the emotional manipulation part because if you did you would really play layup. George right you can go rewatch it. And you know that he's going to diet. It's very sad. And it's sad to hear his dialogue knowing what's going to happen to him but he never reverses the clock on George George so that we feel even worse while watching. The movie that he suffers is really tragic accident. While he could've died any number of ways he gets into a shoving match with a with with another British soldier. So I think that that's the thing I personally love being confused but usually because I don't know what people are talking about because because I I tend to really respond to very jargon filled scripts that are about a profession that I only sort of tangentially under understand. That's one of the reasons why crime movies and Cobb movies and stockbroker movies and all sorts of things like that because I love trying to piece together language but what you're doing in big stockbroker movie. I Love I love three's stockbroker. No I know what you mean. Because like for instance one of the things that I really like about I love this in films like something like one of the reasons. I like a Bull Durham. Yeah they take you so deep inside of a minor league baseball and then all the jargon like going to the show and you learn what that means the stuff by the time. The movie's over. You actually feel like you're a little bit of an expert on a minor league baseball in a way that you weren't before you walked in the theater right because you just yea because again you're in good hands. You Know Ron Shelton knows exactly what he's talking about when it comes to comes to this middle you and so the the the the language edge of inception at least in terms of style is not particularly confusing. I mean even the dogfighting seems pretty good ideas like this. He's GonNa come out of the sun this guy's like I'm blind to this guy. Please come help me. But the understanding time is what you're confused about it and it so it's a IT'S A. It's a really interesting different sensation even though I it's when I really crave but we also learned that there is a second definition for mole which was helpful third. I guess if you're being specific also it's like you know frankly it doesn't matter if it's three days or a week or anything like that you're just trying to get the boys off the island. Yep that's true and at the end of the day that's all that you emotionally half to focus on and I feel like a lot of people who saw this movie probably just walked away with that takeaway say they didn't say it's time for me to record a rewatch ables into talk about these sorts together. They thought they got off. The island may were saved but like and and just you know having just seen at us at US I you said Ad Astra Ad Astra. Okay you in the whole second half it'll be. I don't know why anything is happening. I in the science of Pluto would just post to agree with them MHM about everything that they say. But I don't know why this is working that's working and why a mutiny on the ship. That happened fifteen years ago. Go is now sent as is now sending surges that have killed forty thousand people We just go with it because they tell you. That's that's what's happening and now what you respond to in that movie is. They took the entire structure from apocalypse. Now so we have discussed. I mean I mean exactly down to you know Tommy Lee Jones. His little interview to even the photos of him are very similar to the photos of of the the the Not Not anywhere near as good all right the voice over all right but the voice over is like is like Willard's voice over throughout the whole thing would even say even the magnificent chase scene. Yeah right is similar to the kind of things that you happen in apocalypse apocalypse. Now before the even to the point of Brad Pitt even saying hey we can. Hey we're not supposed to stop. My mission takes precedence over this extraordinary survival while under attack a higher. It's like there. Is there a lot of malaria but the point being though is you know I saw with my wife and I enjoyed watching. The movie was very pretty movie and I ahead really good time at the movie. Theater and I love Brandon And she liked it more than I did and then when she asked me about it. I don't understand why I didn't so this is happening. I didn't understand why that is happening. I guess I'm just I'm supposed to just go along with this well. He doesn't tell us anything about really. What's truly going going on in Dunkirk? And I always have a sense of what's happening. It's very true. It's an amazing accomplishment in that specific say in particularly up in particularly with those guys guys on the airplane. That's where it really really. Yes yeah we don't and that's the thing is one thing we do learn. Actually this is a great point is that there is this anxiety in his frustration from the men on the beach about lack of bombers that the Rif or not there and they're not helping them when in fact they are trying and this is it's a tricky business flying an airplane around and trying I'm GONNA kill people and they're sort of frustrated because they just WanNa get free and get safe. And there's a withholding of the fact that not. Everyone knows that well. I actually think that there is one of the things that's really interesting. One of the actual storytelling things. That's actually done in the movie. That's not just about survival or defense or rescue. Because that's those are the three things we're dealing with survival and rescue With who were who were cutting around with the one type of true. Genuine storytelling link is when the officers are talking towards the beginning. And they're going to have to can the French. Yeah and it's against everything that the British holed themselves up to be but we need army back. Yeah I mean it's just this this. This is not the time to worry about nicety that we need our boys back nothing more important than that and they sell you their moral quandary for sure and the France is forced to sacrifice and falls because of this and England escapes eludes capture or destruction action. And because of that the work continues it is the highest stakes. You could possibly little negotiations. That happened in the movie that they even talk about. Like one stretcher takes up the room room of seven standing right now and they're kind of they're obviously debating like. What do we do with our wounded here because we're GONNA lose the army if we write this into a medical rescue mission? Yeah exactly and they're not obviously obviously not not not bombing medical booths. So they're in trouble. I see that flag casting. What if this is the first time this has ever happened but but I do not see one? Did you guys see any casting. What ifs here? No I mean the I saw it. I don't want to step on Internet research but as Michael Caines voice in this movies in this okay is is very briefly I think he's in the airplane. I have it listed here. There's just an here's the thing. The new movies have so much goddamn research. And here's why because ask you about this too. There's so much reporting around movies now and there's so much information trading and there's so many outlets it's not like if we did cassidy you know There's like five magazines and there's only so much that can be William Goldman thing about the from the. Ah Yeah that's straight from the Horse's mouth this movie the half hasn't had a research S- fucking it's ten pages long. I mean it would be boring for me to sit here and read you guys some of this stuff. I mean there's tons ends of stuff about the authentic nature of the costumes and the Spitfires and you know these replicas that were flown. These antiques but fires were flown in from France. I'll read a couple. Ah Things and then if you want to interject feel free. So the first breakthrough the idea to make a movie about Dunkirk had come to own about twenty years earlier during the mid nineteen ninety while on a boat trip with Emma Thomas his soon to be wife and producing partner honor. They were sailing across the channel towards done her. The same route thousands of British fishing and pleasure ships in May nineteen forty as part of a civilian operation to evacuate the bulk of the British army trapped on the French coast when they ran into rough weather. The simple crossing ended up taking nineteen harrowing hours just to get across it in whatever this year was nineteen ninety nine. Probably something like that. So it just gives you a little bit of insight into what Rylance's character is even dealing. It's not an easy journey at these guys. Were taking the save people. The filmmakers told studio the executives that they wanted to make the film without a lot of stars. Kenneth Branagh has a small role mark rylance as small world. Hardy Kilian Murphy. Many of us parts were cast with rookie actors intentionally nationally Another big chunk went to reconstructing the mole the half Mile Long pier were British soldiers lined up for evacuation only small piece of it remained at Dunkirk but based on original blueprints reprints the production was able to rebuild it at about nine hundred nine hundred feet at a cost of nine hundred thousand dollars here the movies that no-one cited that inspired inspired him to make this movie. This is a pretty good list. Mad Mad Mad mad world number one sided a bunch of silent movies which I think makes sense given the sparsity script greed from eighteen twenty. Four intolerance love struggle throughout the ages of Nineteen Sixteen Sunrise 1927. Those three of the most celebrated and Classic Silent Films of all time time and then he said I spent a lot of time reviewing the film's for crowd scenes. The Way Extras move evolve. How the spaces staged and how the cameras capture at? The views used Nolan also studied a man escaped act pickpocket saving private Ryan which we mentioned and the wages of fear to dissect the process of creating suspense through details. I think it was alien was awesome mentioned as one that He. Yeah Yeah. It's the second attention silent silent but no dial. Do you think dunkirk would be better if it culminated in chest burster if it was part of the alien expanding universe universe. Yeah it was scary. It just came back Lot of technical challenges. Think about that stuff when you're watching a movie like this like this. This seems hard e yeah but not not not in a way that it takes me out in a way that it actually just The gratifies me. You know so like you know. It's it's that stretch of beach. It's all those guys on that stretch of beach you know that that's his You know that's his Gettysburg. Yeah and the film is is that stretch of east and and and it's it's amazing. It's it's fantastic and I'm and I'm kind of off every time there so Nolan focused the realism of every aspect of the cockpit. Shots yet. A two seat plane rigs so that the front canopy and cockpit looked like a real spitfire with non-functioning flying controls the actual pilot flying the plane from the rear cockpit so that the actor could play the pilot as the plane actually flew he also mounted front and rear facing cameras on a reconditioned Spitfire. In addition he had cameraman Airman floating in the water with the actors. I don't understand this. Similarly the the oil catching on fire and the water is one of those. I don't know how hadn't they do this. This seems terribly unsafe. Hey for all people involved. There's so much here. There's a couple of shots of the dogfighting. There's one I think I mentioned it was. It's just static attic. I don't understand how the cameras not moving is an Amex thing like this so big that you can actually make it so that doesn't jitter but it is. It's just mind blowing. You just either for the the entire horizon in static Dawson who is mark. rylance his character is closely based on Charles. Light toler second officer of our titanic who took his yacht got sun-downer to Dunkirk at the age of sixty six likely. Toler Dawson refuses to let the Navy crew his boat. If anyone takes it will be me and takes one of his sons with him. Like light. Tiller Dawson had lost son in the royal airforce. Who taught him how to evade air attack and likely toler he packs the boats so full force it in the bathtub? The disembarkation officer couldn't believe leave over fifty. 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Now you could make the case that this is a sort of inverted dion waiters that hardy so does the most with the the least amount of time. Yes yeah you know. It's a tricky category. He's Co he's got. I feel like Harry's the air with with Jack Loudon so I think think it's hard to say that hardy is. I mean I guess the I guess that would be true because of the mask. We should probably talk about the fact that Tom Hardy is essentially a movie star. Even though you never see the bottom half of his face until the second lash out of the move. Yeah I mean but but dion waiters can't be one of the leads right and to me to me. It's Mark Rolph Ryan. Listen to the boat. It's a Tom Hardy in the air and he should not shut rename getting in the frying pan into the fire out threshold the movie. So is the very geoghegan. Is there any and and I guess kind of Rana when Ron MacLean Murphy Kenneth Branagh China I mean I. I wouldn't consider I would. I would say that Mark Rylance is is a lead over Cillian Murphy. Okay so I I think there's a case for Murphy then I don't know if it's a great case I think. PTSD performance is a little bit of a tricky cat subcategory. Now it's like has got to be careful. You're not doing too much. Well it's like. That's my least favorite section of the movie. Not that it's bad not that it shouldn't be there not not that it disrupts anything but that's that's the section I'm the least into and that's But again the movie moves so quick. That like you you know anytime you. I hadn't heard I haven't listened to it. You guys did Magnolia. Yeah all right. There's no way you're GONNA like every story in Magnolia. Then you're going to like every bit in in slackers are at some point. You're going to not respond to something. But it's okay because it's a big. Do you mean the Ryland section in general or when Murphy he gets on the boat in particularly Murphy Section in particularly the getting locked in the cupboard in particular the Murphy section however the because even though I not necessarily responding responding to that that much. Whenever you're there you're only there for a short amount of time and so it actually does feel like it? It works into the fabric and so when you meet him and he's not not cracking up a little bit and he's like you know this is what we have to do. Just become we have to go back to the beach. We'll go for another vote to come and he's he's commanding that rowboat. Yes that's a great review. I think George you think George George George to Barry Okay. Very killing his great actor the Joey Pants Award for best that guy performance now. I don't think we've ever seen this before. It has to be retroactive right. Because we know Kenneth Branagh we know mark rylance. We no Tom Hardy even in a mask. We don't know who these people are. So all of the supporting characters of the movie for the most part are well known. And they're not that guys. Yeah but every fucking guy who's sub twenty five is that guy. Yeah now but they weren't then they were anonymous so that includes Fan Whitehead whose name we refuse to the show earned Barnard. God God Damn I did. They're GONNA do dunkirk. I can't wait. This is the three of us. Be Like this fucking kid who you plan Beth. This guy earn Barnard who I saw for the first time in the Goldfinch. That was the first time I've seen this movie. He's a Frenchman. Jack Loudon Ouden. Who has gone on a career of Barry? kyong-hui mentioned Tom Glynn Carney. And Harry styles mean other than Harry's other new any of these these guys are just. Yeah Harry styles give it to him at this point right or do you think that that overqualified him well. Let's just examine this. We're really getting into parlementary is it. Yeah there's like. Dan ackroyd like shoved in the Chris. Mentioned Kane Kane. This is the seventh movie. Between Nolan and Kane begins the prestige the dark knight inception the Dark Knight rises and Interstellar Kein appeared in an unaccredited voice voice cameo as the Royal Air Force Flight Leader Keen previously portrayed an RAF piloting battle Britain. And he's he's the guy in this movie he was like. Make sure you have enough fuel to get home. Yes right okay. That was not a very good Kane. I am not going to do Michael. CAIN Steve Coogan Michael. As far as styles else goes when asked why castile Nolan said auditioned literally thousands of young men with different combinations of young men and he had it he compared the casting that Heath Ledger as the joker in the dark night because because people also underestimated him. It's okay again. I wasn't aware of his singing careers. Like that He did say that. You know that seems debatable. We one thing that happened on the Magnolia. PODCAST that you have not heard is we may have renamed the Assault Ruben Echo Award. Oh really break your heart a little bit. But we've renamed it the Julianne Moore Award for over because of her very unique performance in Magnolia. Julie Julianne Moore Probably One of the actresses ever but that's the find it really hard to believe there's like debunking Sauerbrey because because look I wrote the character and I didn't realize how funny he was until you guys started doing all his dialogue. Imagine imagine imagine so when you do John Barley for the Godfather. You're kind in doing so. That's probably joe loss but did you. Were you inspired by more leader right. Donny Don question question you make me look ridiculous. You had a great voice. But my alibi crowd mic friend. Beautiful for the purposes of this podcast is still is. All Ruben Echo overreacting killing Murphy. Yeah Anthony Etame was GONNA get yeah. He's he's really got somebody no. It's killing Murphy. He's the only one that has like really dramatic moment. I mean most of the time. It's just sheer terror and survival Apex Apex Mountain now. This is going to hurt stepped on this a little bit but it's I think it's a really good in deep conversation. Yeah so Harry styles agreed it is it. Is it Nolan. So this is the first time no one was nominated for best director and that seems strange. Actually I think about it that way. Given his his life's work but this was a big hit not as big a hit as some of the movies that came before it is an amazing achievement. An achievement movie. I think in a lot of ways certain directors you go through filmography and you say oh this is watching and then you look at other films and you think titanic in some ways. It's an achievement for cameron even though we might like aliens more. So is this for Nolan Apex Mountain because of what it achieves because of what it did for him as a filmmaker because of what it allowed allowed for him to happen in the future I I would say yes for me for all those reasons. Okay you know If you're going for a apex mountain heat check. I think it would either be dark knight or inception but he still hadn't revealed as bad of an ASS As he was he still hadn't shown how bad of a nasty could be right. And I think that when he did Dunkerque put himself up with the greatest in the world and I think he was already there. Even if you like this one and you don't care for that one and there's a few that I feel that way about sure But this is it brought him to the mountains. As far as far as as far as I'm concerned so I think that to get specific about the difficulty with giving this Apex Mountain is that we haven't seen the film he's done since then. We haven't gotten the next movie since since dunkirk yet so yeah and I would probably say for me. It's inception if also because this is insane to me that I'm seeing inception. We keep God because that's the one where he gets away from from Batman so that then that's the one word shows like you can make a movie like this. That is an original story. Sorry that people don't have this pre existing relationship to these characters or these or any of these ideas and you can make it as big as Batman was you can make it as big as dark knight was and it showed that he was able to make his own versions of these movies without having to rely on on on D. C. Essentially. I think that's a lot of promotion. I think it was is. Those new movie was sold. You you feel like it's honoring. I'm reacting more marketing than I really do. Think that movie was sold. It was It was it was a product that was sold. They learned how to event ties. The Nolan brand in a way that was effective that ultimately pays off on. I should also say deller. I've fucking love inception. Yeah yeah a little more lukewarm on. But here's the thing. I'm more lukewarm. Okay to I'm not trying to hold that against. Yeah so that's the tricky part of the case that year making Quinton to me is that and this is my bum you out but I think it's true. I think that the dark nights the most important movie of the Century Yeah. I don't think it's the best movie I don't even think it's one of the one hundred movies. But I think it's the movie that reset the brain chemistry of the industry. The academy me and common movie goers and. It's really hard to make a movie that can do that. I mean we can hold against it the fact that it's DC and that it's it's a comic book movie but its Impact Not just its box office. Not just it's awards but its impact on people is huge. It's so vast in a way. That movie like dunkirk might not ever be okay but okay so I go along with that but does that make it Batmans apex the question. Yeah I mean I would guess that again Batmans well. We haven't raises the Batman. It's not but also we're we're a neal Adams too all right bye say bye adding that to a movie Yes. That's Frank Miller or any number of outside apex x amount discussion. Do you guys think Dunkirk is known best movie is it. Your favorite is your favorite food. I think I think yes and yes it definitely is my favorite. It's definitely the one I respond to the most Yeah it is okay. I have a very warm feeling towards memento now. I realize the circumstances of making a movie memento and dunkirk totally totally different but there's a level of invention happening in that movie that I'm I'm still interested in also kind of similarly re watchable things work better or don't work better when you revisit I would. I would put Dunkirk. One I would put Batman begins to And I would I would have to give it to dark knight three three but I actually enjoy the prestige more Yeah that's an unspoken movie on this show so far which is interesting inception island here well the listeners of the show know how I feel about inception unfortunately but we're truly by ourselves. I know I know I know I know I know I. And what can you do all right so it is. Christopher Nolan's apex amount will agree on that I differ. Did I sell that. No you did. Because he has what comes was for him in the future is kind of anything he wants. It seems. Yeah and that's maybe that's the clearest definition of Apex Mountain. Yeah I would you know a yeah I would would actually say that to some degree. He could do whatever he wanted it at one brothers Before Dunkirk but I I oh I think dunkirk is his two thousand one You know and so it's like after that. And he truly is there Kubrick. Yes in a world where David fincher already exists But he's Warner so. Yeah picking nits couple of small things. Here he imagined that we're trying to remake a nineteen forty war movie is almost impossible to be perfectly period accurate. The left off did not start painting. Fighter aircraft nose cones yellow until later in nineteen forty. Do Better Chris however for knowing your Nikki. That's just that's just the problematic issue there's a whole bunch of these like during the scene shot in weymouth on a couple of occasions the top of the Weymouth Sea Life Tower is visible which was built circa two thousand twelve. I don't have a lot of midst to pick about the way that the story is structured. You can get over the actual structure of the story. It's hard to be like. Why did he just flew back for him? You know yeah. Yeah but maybe we should pick some knits about the the British strategy heading into. We're GONNA Armchair quarterback chamberlain grown own. Yes only sixteen days. Tenure as Prime Minister Czechoslovakia would have. If you've Nikki pick any other pet for. Yeah no no best quote. roll-on did not that's the blind man talking to Alex on the way out of the movie. Mr Dawson men my age dictate this war. Why should we be allowed to send our children to fight it? This is a this is a Yoyo weekend sailors plenty Navy Emmanuel H H dictate this war. Aw We'd be allowed to send our children to fight. It should be at home then. Commander Bolton on the mole you can practically see it from here and captain went asks what the practice see it from here. I think the the Li- the line that that you get you especially in the British step up lead kind of way the back to me. It was the only line that really stood out from the movie is when Kenneth Rana so far so far say for the French I mean that's that's the emotional piece of dialogue. Were okay now that we've saved our boys and now we can fight another day now. I can afford to live up to our ideals. He gets all the best lines to be honest. I mean he also gets the one later in the film and he's talking to Wine Nisa. They said they won't get up in this. The Royal Engineers rebuilding from lorries. At least that should help when the tide comes back and build says six hours time navy isn't it was a good one actually there's a there dashes of cleverness also also say and I made a note about this is Tom Hardy's monosyllables performance. That he gives he has gestures that read like law is Sobat essence and it's actually We need him in the film. Because I like the fact that we're following the river rat guy and and he's not necessarily heroic he's just trying to survive and makes all the sense in the world and then Tom Hardy. There's just so incredibly heroic and and and and but but not contrived away and not even maybe it is a little bit of a movie way but we need it. Yeah we we need. Yeah Yeah but like for instance He has two moments that to me are like lines and that is. He's jotted Oughta down when he has to turn back and go home because of the gas gauge and everything. And now's the time now's the time to turn back and go home home. But he sees that he needs. He needs to defend the ship. Yeah the medical ship and so he stays and he just gives a shrug. It's just a shrug. He just gives shock. And the shrug means. I'm not going home. Are you saying we need a new category called best gesture. I'm saying. That gesture is aligned. Yeah I'm saying that gesture is a line and I actually think it happens the second time when it's He runs out of gas. We cut them three different times before he actually finally lands the second time we cut he opens the cockpit. So good you know and it's just it's sailing it's just like AH air glider. It's just sailing through the air. There's no sound the sound and just that opening getting that real air and opening that cockpit. That's a line that's that's Yeah you're feeling Chris. I mean that the the moments up there with him or or wonderful and then when I was watching that I know that they had to re the shoot the all the city stuff all the towns of they had to shoot in a different town because the town of Dunkirk was destroyed so they had to shoot that against a different background but him coasting over that that that shoreline silences. Yeah it's good is any any quote. Could this work as a ten episode. Netflix show in twenty nineteen same. Almost the point of what he did that such an achievement is. It could have been done that way. And that's how most people would think to do that. Yes that's exactly right on Kirk the mini series. Yes there was Gettysburg or the north on the checking in on the Belgians episode. Six thank God. He didn't do that and made it so lean unanswerable questions was ferrier Tom Hardy's character eventually rescued or was he Hold off in German absolutely is in German. I ca that this is ridiculous if they wanNA make the ferrier. POW CAn't move yes seven team. I am there. I mean he can wear a mask again if you want subtle title Karen Air and he probably wouldn't be escaping because he's you know he's he's not ground soldier. Yeah that's right. He's air so that means his job here is done right if you could only only on this a long time to be a long time and a POW POW acid forty. Yeah we got five years. You'd be the guy great escape with the Cane Walker here. I was just. Jj James Gardening. Yeah can't eat flour. That's why you're here Clinton if only one story if you can only watch one story of the three in this movie which one would you choose the river. Yeah it's historic within the world of the movie movie or if you're expanding it. We're talking like the ten hour Netflix version of this. You're you're going to the ASTRAL plane here. What do you mean I mean are we are? We want to show me ten hours of from from before he gets the call the takeoff in Dover or whatever it just just in terms of what we see in the film you could elongate and stretch out and sort of like movie is because the movie is not Adamou. The shape and structure doesn't feel like a movie except for those moments of Quinn's talking. It would be rare. I I think the the that's the man escaped collins the Basan Collins John's and fair farrier in the air is the most. That's like the blockbuster up there that's a gun you know but like you you don't want you can't spend the entire time up there. There's no dynamism if you stay up there the entire time I want the it is it is his survival and is the one damn thing after another after another. Yeah it's probably the thing we understand the least about that whole story to which is what it was like to be a person who is in that situation one more unanswerable. Question was snubbed. In two thousand seventeen I think so what one instead shape of water water. So it's tricky right because we all know that these things are not awarded at the appropriate time necessarily surly all the time but this is an interesting one because we everybody has located like if this is not the amount it's damn close and then does that mean. Christopher Nolan goes to the the the academy's he's mountain ten years from now for film that is not the same achievement. As movie like dunkirk. We may look back at it that way. I think I think that's we've learned that time and time again but this does feel like the movie the typically gets rewarded at that time and I wonder if being and if it's a July movie you had a July movie this did that her comes out Thanksgiving or Christmas different. I don't know I really can't really couldn't say I don't want I'm not going to weigh in on the academy politics of of a hot and then all of a sudden you've come. The last two months of the two months of the year it cools for whatever the reason I think it was look. I think it was not I. Think for the fact that the The score didn't win. I think is a SNOB. I think The fact that he didn't get nominated for a screen places not I mean a big snap a big snub. Because that's a pretty fantastic. I mean if we're saying that he can't do it wrong at a certain point that he's you know it's just all storytelling but it's not storytelling with a pen it's storytelling with with Scissors and storytelling music and storytelling with images. And frankly it's the truth. I can't believe his Mataka for didn't yeah. Yeah we're so who also shot ad Astra actually so I think I wonder if either maybe just because it was like a seventy six or seventy eight page script if that was held against him maybe a slim volume. I don't know maybe I guess we could kind of take it back to the beginning here where you were talking about your best of the decade and it's I. I wonder whether or not this is a movie. That's going to grow estimation as the years go by especially as we get to the end of the decade and probably the you know the twenty first twenty years of the century lists that we will inevitably inevitably doing i. You know it's it's relevant to that too is how do movies go into the Canon. Now what do you mean by that. WELL WE ABS jobs. We absorb them differently. And there's all this anxiety about repertory houses not not having as much opportunity to show films and this movie is only two and a half years old. We all agree that it's credible film. But how does it stay in the consciousness for us you know is one. Will he let it appear on Netflix. So that people can and consume it over and over again and all of a sudden it bleeds into our brain the way that something might have for us in the eighties. Or I think that is how movies exists whether it's on Whether it's on rotation on showtime extreme or show or cinemax this or or Netflix that I mean that's I actually think that is how movies become part of the Alexa Con. Is They have. It's time me realizing that Zodiac was. A great movie wasn't from the from the first viewing which I actually I was a bit of an endurance test. The first time I watched the movie I liked it but it was. I wasn't loving it sitting in the theater but it stayed with me for like two weeks. Afterwards I've found I thought about it every day for like a couple of weeks and then when it started showing up on Hbo Oh it'd be on and watch it for like twenty twenty five minutes straight. Yeah and I was like Holy Shit and I was really involved and wherever it happened Wherever it happened to fall and so I kind of watched it about three different times at wherever it just happened to be and I think those are the tests that actually make a that The forges a film in in fire for your for your member. I mean what you're describing is literally the inspiration operation for us doing this show because we grew up catching twenty five minutes movie on Cable and just feeling it seep toward the interesting thing about this movie is that your only only ever two minutes away from something extraordinary happening You may not always have the lay of the land and be able to say I understand the emotional stakes of what's going on here but if you understand the emotional stakes of the entire movie anytime you tune into it no matter which dog fighter which escaped from which sinking boat. You're watching something. Amazing is going to be on your screen. I think it's a testament to his full making that if you watch it on on your laptop or if you happen to see it of a passing television it's still plays if you if if if you're on an airplane and across the aisle somebody is watching it and you just kinda start glancing at it. You'll find yourself watching it silently across the room for at least ten minutes. Yeah completely. There's one more question on the movie now. Now hold okay hold on. Nolan is an obvious answer. Style wins ever category because been merciless with imported Edward Kid. Now the I would be okay. It's terrific in the movie. I ever putting him down. By his name Zimmer. Oh that's that's great that's you. Could you read a review of this movie in which his name did not appear would be impossible also did the battle of Dunkirk win. Because I feel like you know. I'm jerk from New York. I don't have a significant ignificant wealth of knowledge about Dunkerque. The way you think about the battle of the bulge again yes exactly historic stora sized something. That was already history but for me I have a new relationship to it and I think it's really really important and I didn't use the thing that was important. And is it possible that this this battle addled defeated the filmmaker. No really isn't I made my bid I like I like I like I like the idea but you guys are going well. uh-huh you come on. You got me. Thinking about Hans Zimmer I actually I even think there could even be we. Dare I say a slight redemption of of of his persona because he's also a guy that's easy to make fun of a little bit. Yeah and San Oliseh started earlier. But she's being a being a caveat but I think there is a rehabilit- rehabilitation of reputation. Yeah all right. I'm not gonNA make anymore handsomer. Just not that I ever did before but but but well you know what I'm talking about guest. Yeah and after this is like fuck it. It's a cementation of being truly grated. His thing being the individual icon his specific craft. It's still i. I think we'll all agree. It's gotTa be Christopher Nolan. WHO's the winner of the movie? Yeah I mean I think you could like there's there's lots of really good silver and Lebron's here there's the Rif shot to those guys to your your grandfather. But it's no one guys any closing thoughts on Dunkirk. This has been very fun. Yeah there's been a lot of fun and and I well I I I also I've never had from all from the different episodes says I've watched I've listened to the REWATCH ables. It's been very easy for every movie to fall into the structure. The show the the fact that this movie refuses to fall into at least half of the category. Yeah I mean just refuses it. It just refuses it. No No I that says something else about that says something else about the movie. I mean the fact that Useless to fuck with us. It's not going to work for the show but I have an idea. It's like the fact that you could actually say that the entire film is paced like a trailer and actually mean that as a compliment climent says as opposed to a a snippy saying that like makes it seem like a commercial or makes it seem like just since Asian for sensation sake. No this I've actually. I've waited my whole life to see a movie that actually plays like a trailer but in a great way that maintains that sense of anticipation the entire time. That's really that's really an achievement guys. This has been fantastic for Christopher Ryan. Quentin Tarantino I've been sean fences.

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Spy Movie News 1/26/21: No Time to Die, M:I, Black Widow, The King's Man, More

Cracking the Code of Spy Movies!

09:24 min | 6 months ago

Spy Movie News 1/26/21: No Time to Die, M:I, Black Widow, The King's Man, More

"Here's our january twenty six twenty twenty one additional spy movie news a new spy thrillers starch production more bond rumors and no time to die release date mission impossible robots the kingsman black widow. Five is an more. Let's go hi. This is dan sylvestry a spy. Movie navigator dot com with another very special edition of cracking the code of spy movies. Remember all the links of the articles that will be mentioned. Here are on our website under the episode notes for this podcast. Let's get to it. No time to wait for april. No time to die slips again. Well miss lots of worry and drama. It appears at this time. No time to die is scheduled for release now in october twenty twenty one checkout 007 on twitter for the official announcement our opinion on and the studios are right. The world is not ready for a theatrical release too much risk healthwise for viewers financially for an and the studios. James replacement more rumors. Well the irish post dotcom suggests that irishstar of peaky blinders. Kilian murphy could be the next james bond. Your article of january twentieth twenty twenty one suggests that his odds of playing bond has been slashed from sixteen to one to ten to one. Of course he's irish and if selected he would be the second. I refund the play bond pierce brosnan of course being the first. The same article says that the other peaky blinders star tom. Hardy holds a promising to one odds on favorite to play bond. See all the details on irish post dot com. Additional potential bonds are mentioned in january. Twenty twenty one g. q. Magazine article like michael jordan. An american sam. Human michael fast bender and others. Cg q dash magazine dot co dot uk for the details. Well he and productions in the studios might have more time to decide as no time to die slips october twenty twenty one and most certainly no announcement of the next bond will take place before its release. Doug lyman doug lyman. Thinks daniel craig's bond copied the born identity in an article on cinema blend dot com born identity director. Doug lyman says after the bourne identity came out the next james bond to come out was casino. Royale which totally copied the tone of born. Lyman said i had a very surreal thing. Where i was sort of making born because i really wanted to make bond and then bond copy born also for those who don't remember lyman will be directing the upcoming tom cruise movie in space. You can read the whole article on cinema. Blend dot com mission impossible. Okay we all know that. Tom cruise got upset last month on the set when he felt some of the staff. Were not adhering to their strict kovic safety protocols it is reported he saw a couple of people close together at a computer screen well. His rant is well known so is he trusting the crew now well in january twentieth article on spot boy dot com s. p. o. T. peo- i e. It's reported that crews now has robots watching the grew and these robots can also scan the crew for covid nineteen i slash film dot com article. Set the record straight and says basically there are automated covid testing machine robots on site. That's about it. Our opinion aid. They are state of the art on safety and cruise wants to keep it that way we give them a lot of credit for driving the safety issue so consistently it means lives and continuation of production. Saved all good mission impossible. Seven is scheduled for release november nineteenth. Twenty twenty one in the us. The kingsman the kingsman release date having slipped from september. Twenty twenty two february twenty twenty one to march twenty twenty one and now it slipped august twentieth one twenty one according to cinema blend dot com like so many movies that were scheduled in two thousand twenty then rescheduled many many times. The kingsman join suit. Let's hope the second half twenty twenty one sees a rejuvenation of the theater releases so that many of the movies we've been waiting for. We can go see see cinema. Blend dot com article january twenty first twenty twenty speaking of the king's man screen rant also reports that seven kingsman movies are currently in the works with marv. Group and director matthew vaughn black widow in a short article at the secret dot com. The sec are not by herb schreiner. He talks about the marvel. Ceo hinting that black widow could possibly debut on disney. Plus of course the ceo says he basically doesn't have a crystal ball so we'll wait for more news on that. Speaking of streaming january twenty twenty twenty one article in the wall street journal suggests that streaming has hit hollywood fast changes in the management ranks are in the works as they look for exempts with business development technology and strategy backgrounds. The basically deal with the new world of movie watching they are keeping an eye on apple amazon and net flicks to see how much they are investing in their movies and shows and how many subscribers they hbo disney plus and others are capturing and how long exclusive releases in theaters might continue. Nice read check it out at w. s. j. dot com. Wow the world is changing and has this covid. Nineteen pandemic brought out a new use for theatres. Wow with dearth of movies that are able to be shown in theaters or them being shut by decree one movie theater in north carolina in the. Us is being used as a vaccine distribution center allowing the local administration from a few hundred vaccines day to about thirteen hundred a day. The theaters bearing the cost of operating while we applaud this. Let's hope this will be a short term usa theaters and we can go back to watching movies soon. You can read more about this. In the article. Variety dot com five is getting a new name and it looks like hugh grant to a new spy. Film started production in katter yet untitled. It is a spy movie directed and produced by guy ritchie and it will star jayson. Stay them as emma. I six agent orson fortune teaming up with cia agent. Sarah fidel trying to stop a deadly new weapon technology. That could threaten the world order. Well here's an update. According to digital spy dot com. It looks like hugh grant might be joining the movie to. Which also has aubrey plaza. Josh hartnett and carey elway's used deal is done yet but work is being done to land him also. The movie is officially untitled. Meaning that is not gonna be called five is. We'll keep a watch on this one especially with that cast. You could read the full article at digital spy. Dot com it. What's up with red notice. Cinema blend dot com as an article which talks about what we know about the upcoming movie. Red notice although no release date hasn't been announced it is expected. This net movie will release in twenty twenty one as filming has been completed. Dwayne johnson's character is an fbi. Profiler hunting a pair of thieves ryan reynolds and gail. That are a conman and art thief. There's at least one big chase sequence. Check out this article at cinema blend dot com for all the details. Net has our heart of stone variety dot com reports. That netflix has obtained the rights. To gal dots espionage thriller heart of stone. Gal is really making her way in the espionage. Movie game we mentioned her as being in red notice and now heart of stone. The movie hasn't started filming yet and we haven't seen their scheduled release date yet. They're keeping the plot quiet so we'll just have to wait to find out you can read about it at variety dot com in memoriam. Michael apted has passed away january. Seven at the age of seventy-nine he was a british director. Who in the bond world directed the world is not enough. You also directed the up series and coal miner's daughter 007. on twitter posted quote. He was a director of enormous talent and range and unique in his ability to move effortlessly successfully between all genres he was beloved by all worked with him and ramey julianne top french auto stunt coordinator who worked on six james bond movies and has over fourteen hundred movie. Credits has passed away. He was ninety years old. His work on james bond movies started with for your eyes only where he created the seats charleen dish. Chevaux chase and motorbike fight in cortina dom pet so italy and continued through goldeneye. Goldeneye you can read more about julianne at spy. Md be on our website at spy. Movie navigator dot com. You can also read stories on seven dot com and deadline dot com as well. This wraps up our spy. Movie news for january twenty six twenty twenty one follow us on facebook twitter at spy navigator and instagram to subscribe right now to our cracking code spy movie. Show on your favorite podcast app. Thanks for listening. We appreciate it.

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Brogan Graham Is A Friend Hunter

The Rich Roll Podcast

2:05:00 hr | 2 months ago

Brogan Graham Is A Friend Hunter

"The springtime here in the mid west. Just because it feels like we should be back. That means nothing. Mid western folks are sasco. Pasty white legs just like minnesota. It's it's wild things ice fishing. Which no i haven't gotten into yet. I don't think i'm going to. But i had an knee surgery this past winter and i've spent a lot of time on snowshoes. Walking around and talking to those people out there in the huts. Here's my approach. My approach is i've done. This never knew this. I've done this probably thirty times. Thirty different ice huts. Hello hi is this ice fishing. I just moved. Yeah hi i just moved here from southern california given the whole story and then they'll usually show me the whole thing there anyway. I was actually looking for somebody. You want a beer. Because i just thought that'd be cool to have that experience i do you know. Are we friends yet. Come one of my buddies incendiary calls me a friend hundred. But it's the reason that. I think i have these really weird interesting occurrences. I'm broken graham. And this is the rich role. Do it again program and this. Yeah thank you hi. i'm broken graham. And this is the rich raw podcast. You won't use that one. No rich role podcasts. Greetings dispersed beings of planet earth. That is i your host rich role saying welcome to the podcast today. I- rekindle stoke my bromance with the very charming and charismatic. Brogan graham who i would describe as an irreverent. Not your run of the mill fitness fanatic an extrovert maximalist style icon force of nature. Just one of those rare people with their own gravitational force field and just overall stellar human. Being if you've been tuning in recently you know rogan's name has come up a few times on our roll on episodes. He was our host and shepherd during our april. Visit to minneapolis. Which is when this podcast was recorded. In fact the whole project was his idea for those newer to the show. Brogan along with his buddy boy and mandarich founded this thing. Ten years ago called november project which is a free open urban outdoor space open to the public boisterous. Gung-ho group led script flipping fitness thing that has over the years blossomed into a true global movement. A collective of communities that today counts over two hundred and fifty thousand lifetime members in fifty two cities in nine countries all over the world. I love this dude. If there's one thing. I can tell you about brogan promise you. He wishes he was here to read the ads. He's dying to do it in the interim adamant i taking care of business. I'm curious adam. What is living sustainably mean to you. It means Staying home in ordering everything from amazon. From your the comfort of your home in los angeles when the of my wife's phone that's one devils of sustainability. I suppose also you said you're ninety eight percent plant base you can also look at the remaining two percent when you're ordering food. We can work on that also when it comes to everyday essentials including sheets and bedding sustainability is about supporting companies that are fair trade certified companies that treat their workers right with fair wages and safe working conditions and the care about ecologically sound. Sourcing i know you care about that. Joke out them right. I was kidding and transparency when it comes to manufacturing this is what boll and branch is all about. This is where they really stand out their products. Meet all these requirements without sacrificing quality. In fact their sheets are all insanely soft. And i speak from experience there. Sustainably made with quality that lasts all fair price. I prefer their signature hemmed. Sheet set in doon my favorite color. You mean the silky dunes silky dunes in the tent in the ten i tend to bow the tend to dunes. Comfortable lightweight to keep me cool they actually get softer with each wash. Which is a hidden benefit. So feel the difference. Quality makes a boll and branch dot com. Get fifteen percent off your first set of sheets when you use the promo code rich role at checkout. That's bollandbranch b. o. l. l. a. n. d. branch dot com promo code ritual. So adam given that this is the broken graham facetime with brogan. Yeah i know he's angling for your job. Yes does that leave. you agitated. No i always chew my fingernails till they're gone. How's your sleep last night Nonexistent yeah mean your job. Security is under threat from this guy in jeopardy well change. It might be good. Wait what come on. What if i told you that you can navigate this which up that we're gonna be making feel more relaxed and quiet your mind. Well as long as calm as featured. I'm all in. We'll com is the cornerstone of what we're gonna talk about the number one mental wellness out. It's got all the tools you need to improve the way you feel even if you get fired. That's exactly what it's for so you can clear your head with daily meditations improve your focus when calms curated musical tracks. So here's what you're gonna do okay tonight when you tuck in or april win and you start spinning tales of brogan usurping your domain you are going to queue up on ofcom sleep stories. I suggest kilian murphy soothing you to sleep with his lullaby and crossing ireland by train high. I should do it for listeners. Of the show calms offering a special limited time promotion of forty percent off a com- premium subscription adt com dot com slash role. Go to see a l. dot com slash rich role for forty percent of unlimited access to com's entire library that's com dot com slash ritual. Brogan brogan graham. I don't want to say too much about this one other than that. We cover quite a bit of ground. We talk about doubting talk about building community talking about getting outside your comfort zone. Not in the context of fitness but in all aspects of life. If there is a general theme to this one i would say it's about seeking friendship cultivating inclusivity and calling people in rather than calling people out as i'm fond of saying prophets walk among us and brogan isn't just one of them. He's a guy who understands that to find these people. These prophets that walk among us. You need to be somebody who's always taking swings somebody who is always on the hunt in the habit of expanding your circle reaching out others embracing your neighbors and contributing to your community. It's a practice. He will tell you begins with a simple. Hey how you doing broken beautiful dude. I wish he lived in la. But i'll take them. However i can get him so yeah. Let's do the thing. This is me and broken. Graham brogan graham rich raw the ritual. Podcasts you're in minneapolis. What are we doing here. I think i convince you to come visit you did and i just pulled out all the stops. I am shocked the here solely by dint of your efforts. But i'm super excited to be here man. I can't believe that you're here. I didn't think it would happen. I kept waiting you to make it sound like i was going to pull the plug at the last minute the weather. It's no this morning. it's all right. I know but after all those years in southern california weather is thing meaning like it is the end of april. You would think the son my peak out a little bit but maybe not so much what you will work out this morning and i was like other looking for other folks to like talk of snow on the ground. I was like we. We're not talking about this and it was very cool like i was exposing myself as a recent lived long enough. I mean something that isn't worthy of being all that. Yeah but i. I stopped asking. I was like this is very cool. It's gotta be sort of april or march has got to be terrible. Because that's when you think. Oh it's march it's spring now shifting and then you get slammed you get one. That's like sixty or seventy degrees in minnesota shorts. We're thrilled and then it's like i think it's summer i think we're just in and you're like the guy who's wearing shorts year round anyway. Some of that pull the mic up a little bit closer to you that your voices and boom inc. Why would the microphone thing. I always go really go hard into it. you know. That's the way you live your life. I am pumped to be on. It's been four years. It's been four years. Yeah and that's honestly like it's weird. That's the only time i've actually met you know. It's not true because i went to that nebraska. La i'm still recovering from that west la. that was. I think that was that. I think that was two years later so later we are and then we took a stab at doing a little remote recording. Append the top of a podcast about being dad and that was that was one year ago. Let's talk about that for you. Called me i think in jill june or july or something. It must have been june. And you're like yeah. I want to add a man. Start doing these short clips to add to other podcasts. That you'd like upcoming and i was hesitant. I was like rich man like it's a pretty intense time here. Are we doing this. And you're like yeah. We recorded it and it was just lying and then minneapolis explode. The apples exploded. There's no way and then you come back and you're like we can't sorry sorry. Yeah so anyway. So that's a good. That's a good lead in to addressing the elephant in the room. I definitely want to open this saying out loud that i'm not sure anybody needs to hear from two white cisgender upwardly mobile suburban dwelling dads who are already taking up space right art taking up space white space right to bro out on a curfew imposed minneapolis in the middle of a covid spike. The dante rights situation and the show trial Does anybody need to hear our opinions on racial justice. Black lives matter civil rights. I mean it's ridiculous states riddick. Bowe we're here and it's roller. And and i think that there's some value in conversation and you talk about it all the time. It's like i have grown to really appreciate you host and someone who brings not only people together but like the best out of those people and and and to sit and have a conversation and like we talked about on the way over here. It's like are the last couple of days leading up to this. It's like there's also a lot of life that's going on here. In minneapolis that applies elsewhere opinions and things that were kind of trying to sort through middle-age white dudes. I you know. There's i think there's a ton of value so so to you and your crew. Thank you for coming here. I don't know that i would've come here. Just that's not no the notion you put in motion this opportunity to sit down with with mayor. Jacob prai That was kind of the instigating impulse Of course coming here. Then you know it became Our responsibility to find community leaders of color to talk to. You wouldn't have been great to just interview the mayor and not get a you know a a different point of view or perspective of somebody who is really immersed in the movement and the community. So we're doing that as well. We're recording this one. I though i don't have the experience having sat down with those folks yet. We will release this afterwards. And i also have this feeling like the the recording from a year ago. That didn't ever see the light of day that there's a chance that this might not see the light of day so if this gets bank and we know but what's interesting about that experience i think reflecting back on that i recognize my level of disengagement and ignorance or naievety should i i guess i should say around exactly what was happening here and the import of nationally and internationally that it's become. Yeah i mean. There's i thought of that because i remember having that conversation with you. I was hesitant because i boots on the ground here. So you had a tactile. We're living in uptown sir. And we were about less than half mile away from george floyd cub foods. George what is now. George floyd square and There's two things with that when you talk about that. There's a piece that's about understanding. How outraged this city was. Okay there's that piece but then there's also a piece about like large-scale crimes and terrorism. Happened way down the road. Like i remember. I remember hearing about certain things growing up and feeling like oklahoma city is a million miles. That's hard to wrap my brain around. You know when the when the twin towers came down. I living in boston. I felt a lot closer but we were in new york city and like the whole world was taken by that but like his different to be closer and sort of have those conversations with you like it felt weird. That was like. I don't know that we're having connecting on the same. Yes we were not. Because i didn't. I didn't understand what was actually happening. And then fast forward. I think not even a couple of weeks and all cities became a very different picture quickly for every for sure for sure. And you know going back to how you kick the show off like. I was One of the highest council members mother am. i told. She's a huge fan. And i told her that you were coming. She's like oh great like she thinks we're all just friends from like her front driveway. Playing basketball growing up pushing pretends like richest coming. It wasn't that big of a deal but she said well. I hope you guys don't end up looking like idiots. She said that there's a very good chance. That's exactly what's happened so she just said he she goes on and i'm glad i'm glad he's engaged and like i don't know how much of this you've done where you go to where it is like. This is like no. I've i've gone to cities and done podcast and cities but they haven't been adventure oven right so this is unique and different in that regard on some level. I think it's it's a reaction to the world. Having been shut down the past year and being unable to travel which is something. I love doing and we had a tour setup. We were gonna do live events cities so that didn't happen right But on top of that and and most importantly just a recognition of the significance of. What's going on here. The fact that the whole world is watching. You know moment to moment transpiring here. It just felt prescient and important and the opportunity arose because of you and couldn't say no to that yet. I was stoked. When i do want to get it right to so. I feel that i feel that responsibility. That's a white guy is trying to teach anybody. You've kind of done some training around this train. You're not supposed to talk about the work. Okay as part of the do it and then tell some. I think the idea perfectionist and the idea of getting it right the idea of like having a messy conversation perfectly is like well that that's nearly impossible especially for white folks that haven't handled race the same way and have lived a pretty easy life. Here is united states. Like we're gonna step into an arena and like get it all right like there will be misteps jim and in these conversations and on my side like you know one of the things that one of the equity advisors for november project told me today was like acknowledged that the top acknowledged at the top of the show. You sort of did it. But i'll do it again for myself for both of us like what if you were launching into a conversation where you're gonna make mistakes like like not like. Oh if we have a mistake on these topics i don't even know which one will cover but like if we have one then will none. Let's assume we're going to make mistakes because you are both new into this like as embarrassing right but it's probably better to proceed going towards some mistakes but in the right direction then like let's freeze up until all rigid because let's say the right thing and then the conversation really doesn't end up going anywhere rise. You're you're you're coming from a place of fear. brian. One thing that i've kind of learned or gleaned from conversations that i've had over the last twelve months on this subject it's that it's exactly what you said like you can't be afraid to have the conversation acknowledging you're not going to get it perfectly. I think a there is a trepidation with a lot of white people. They wanna talk about it but that fear prevents them from even having the conversation because they don't want to get it wrong they don't wanna get castigated for saying the wrong thing and so those conversations never transpired and then and then those out there. That are like yeah. Yeah okay. i'm going to do the reading. And i'm gonna i'm gonna get right and figure it out and then i'm gonna engage in. They engage engage and they get it wrong and they called out or call the racist or critiqued or and then and then the white fragility of flares up like i. You know i'm trying. Why are you taking down. But it's not the responsibility of the black community. Give you a pat on the back. A job right. And if we're living insular like existence of like of white privilege that puts you in a place. Where like you've you know you've practiced your whole life not taking criticism and so it really like hit doubly hurts. It's ten times. I'm not used to this. You should enter into these enter the real world little bit and and look i. It sounds as if. I'm like coming from a place of experience i am when it comes to messing up. You know when it comes to doing the wrong things and and preceding. As if i i know the whole picture but it's the way i've looked at building community and the way i looked at number has been through the lens of who i am and running of who i am and it was in boston and kind of how i saw bringing a group together and how to supercharge group and so you know i don't take credit responsibility for for all of november project but i think it was It was built by two white guys. And i think there's another thing that you know so me and i spoke about today is like for my white friends out there that look november project and just say that's fine. It's just fun you know. It's not racist. it's just a free community thing. Like people should show up if they can and they can't they can't and it's it's for everyone and it's just it's good. I would say it was comfortable for us. We chose locations for us and we chose to bring people together in the only way we knew how and we did it with with our language and our social media and the group is formed by two says gender white guys two rowers in boston the northeastern kinda like fancy school pedigree. And when i'm having the beginning of this story. And i can tell it's not landing. I say shirtless black men have gone into the harvard stadium and built a group of three four five hundred people. There were screaming and you know waking up the neighborhood with booming. Fuck yeah's and like how can it out and just having the best time. And what would that look like. How would that have looked. And i'm not talking about harvard. University not talking about boston police department. I'm not talking about the neighbors in the residing talking about all of it. And i think that kinda helps frame it. As far as like the from from the beginning we round rating with white privilege is the harvard stadium open to train. And it's open So we go in And we make it our home and it's a very privileged way of operating. Yeah you know. That's a super interesting perspective on it. I mean that takes a lot of maturity kind of that aspect of it because it is easy and on some level you could make the argument correct to just say look we. We put this thing together and anybody can come. There's there's no closed doors to anybody but to step back and really objectively deconstruct that from a systemic perspective to kind of own that i imagine that took some work to get to that place and then then of course the question becomes from there right like. How do you not to say that you did anything wrong but acknowledging that you could do better like what are the steps you put in place because it is all about. Community community is bread and butter of the whole november project. That's the ethos of it. So how you like broaden that aperture to make it more welcoming two summers i think even just laying out that context of like what it is who is for and i think community members and leaders people who have been once people who are diehards like if we can't see that access that we've had we can't see you know one of my favorite stories from the boston days was like this police officer came and told us never to come back to this hill again and i assured him we would seven exactly seven days from them. And i'm talking to this guy with no shirt on like just barely respectful but like kind of having fun with the conversation and he said you know if i'm gonna raise your warning today and become back it's going to be to couple hundred dollar ticket because it's too loud as well as So he said neighbors have complained in. I don't think that they have and he goes well. You know it's a sound ordinance violently in a violation. And i was like i'm going to work on that. And he's like we'll just don't come back and i said l. you seven days from now and this defiant nature of like the coolness of like being of just rad and like laugh in the face of a thirty like i need our community to see that. That's how we built this. I don't know community like look at that as white privilege. And if like if you don't wanna come along on that ride like that's going to be hard your question. How do you go about and change. That can't change the origin story but acknowledging that had that been a black dude. You know having that confrontation with a cop. It would have been a very different outcome. Agree and i think the people that can watch the news and see black and brown people being killed for traffic violations and play back that story. I just told you you got it. We got to see that difference. And so i'm really lucky to be part of this tuesday night. Group called white men for racial justice. And it's like one hundred dudes the supposed special talk about climate and mentioned it and move on and the reason i brought it up because every time wednesday morning then i go to november project so like kind of waking up fresh off of this last conversation before i went to bed before i got back with the community november project one of the conversations about this groundwater theory and then like how raises racism as in everything and i think when people want to solve things quickly and figure out how to make things right overnight you come to this barrier of frustration and i think i think that's that's like that's the first reaction of like. How are we going to fix hugging fix november project can november project dismantle white supremacy. And you laugh. But it's like. I think that dismantling white supremacy happens in small spaces tons of million right and so if we can make small changes with the location that we host to work out. What does it mean to choose something in dallas or in orlando or in london that's put unquote centrally located. What does that mean centrally by. Who's definition yeah. Social media is such a toxic place right now. But i saw some that. That was really great. Which is like this idea of. There's a big difference the line was. There's a big difference between all are welcome and this was built with you in mind. And i just thought it was super powerful like we were guilt trip and half the city of da. You can get there get there but we really just talking to white folks. Connect the to yeah. There seems to be internal tension with white people on the one hand. This desire to participate in the solution but also a cautiousness like is this really my place. This is this. Is it appropriate for me to participate in this or is that like gonna come across as you know. Come across the wrong way. Frankly and i think that creates a lot of paralysis participated in this meaning in the progressive movement towards change. Yeah it's when you say that i am. I always looked at friends of mine or co-leaders Who i would consider activists especially white folks that i saw wearing blm clothing And i always thought that they were. They done all the reading and that they were like they were in it and they were like must have been experts or like they they had they had voted the right way and giving their money there A mentor also knew all policies. And they're really fighting the fight every minute of every day and they've been at it for years and this idea of starting somewhere like one of our leaders in kansas city the coal. I really admire her. She's just always boots on the ground. Always having these conversations always challenging white folks in her life and having conversations like but she's always wearing gear. And i always looked at her and like i admired her and it was almost like she's on the varsity team like she's she's an anti-racist i kinda read a couple more books or like i'm not there yet and i've had friends in my life recently. Just feel like you have to. You have to start if it's signaling with a yard sign evens added sweatshirt if it's donating if it's the training that you're doing boever project co-leaders just continuing education. But then you have to go out and have these conversations. You have to go out and participate and build meaningful relationships. And so anyway. I just i find i find the the bummer of a challenge is getting folks to take a step starting something you know and it was so easy for me to talk about that when i was talking about fitness right and it was so easy for us to figure out diversity and how to bring different kinds of athletes along right like that was really an easy one for us to talk about But a lot of people especially white people freeze up when it comes to like where to begin What about the person who doesn't wanna begin like he must have people in your life who really don't want to engage with this certainly not at the level that you've that you've been engaging with it. Yeah so i give you my answer from for me for me. I i've always said. And i said this back when we met years ago. Which is like. I give people a lot of and how that shows up in these conversations. Is that meet someone where they are. You know. i'll have a whatever pace conversation. You need to have I'll politely try. And debunk explain and understand where you're positioning is and and and meet people wherever they are on the road right if someone says there is no problem if someone says raises an thing. I think that's really hard place to start right. But you know one of the six community agreements for november project. Is this idea of calling people. And and it sounds so gentle and a little bit hippie of like. don't call people outreach. that's too messy. Call them in. But there really is some truth to it which is like if you call some announced. That sounds racist. I think you're racist. Like how much could you even repair. The relationship conversation ended any opera is moving. The needle destroyed your relationship with that person right and so two to learn more to learn more to ask more questions in and understand where they're coming from. I mean that process takes a long time as patients and if someone were to say. I'm not here for that. I'm cutting that person out of my life. I also understand that for them. But i i recognize sometimes with with white people in my life i can make change by saying. Tell me more about that really how you feel you thought that through or is that just kind of people. Around you. For much of your. Where does this come from. And i think tone is a tough thing right because we can come off pretty judgmental with just the wrong kind of angle. Hard enough in person right about it on social media can fast so but it's so interesting that you so you know. We went into the hole november project origin story. The first time that we sat down people should listen to that podcast. I love that conversation So we don't need to retrace all of that but it starts in boston. You ended moving to san diego and continue to build november project. And then how many years ago did you move to minneapolis. Three years ago so we moved here in july july august of twenty nine hundred a year and a half and now with everything is transpiring in the city. Making it literally ground zero for the civil rights movement. Right right Provide you with a lens into a level of truth that perhaps you wouldn't have been exposed to and intern. That gives you a depth of experience that you can inject into november project to really make it a leader in this kind of new evolution of community fitness. I like to think so. I'd like to think so. I like almost divine. It was like it was almost like meant to be right. it's weird. it is weird that and to go back so so very happy. In san diego were married. We moved their january. First of twenty fifteen fell in love with the surf. Culture of the people goldies. My wife's sister lives there pacific beach and and we had a little baby. Everything's we're kind of living at renters life like kinda pretending like we could live in nice neighborhoods. But he just didn't have a long term plan and we're gonna have a second kid. I don't know how it's going to go. What if we wanted to buy a house. And meanwhile like november projects. Free houses dude pays bills like. How does this work. You want to get to that yes so we i left my job. I was marketing a couple of years. I worked for the performance running team at new balance in thirteen and fourteen. Before that i had some other like active lifestyle. Marketing jobs And we signed a partnership with the north face which was a strong for half a decade and that partnership feels are leadership gatherings input outdoor training gear on all of our leaders and it gives us the ability. Quit jobs and not only work on november project full-time but also Build some of their community ideas around training and And then so at the end of eighteen we were in conversations with brooks running. Our contract was up at the north face and Seattle based run company. You know the name in running and so that quickly changed kind of the way we talked about playing outside with all this winter gear with the north base to like run happy in the run enjoy iran and and and that relationship now is is two years strong and so so that so that partnership piece keeps them ever project as far as the investment of keeping or cool. It's cool at a brand can get on board with that and they understand the value proposition. The community is so strong and not for nothing. Shout out to does lyndon brook south. Leave yesterday fifty k. World record crushed it by like seven minutes yesterday under three hours for fifty k. To do the new world record for running and running for those thirty one miles identity a couple of times. It took me like a million hours right and and my fastest road marathon three minutes slower than she held. Five forty sevens but does is did you. Did you see any clips. I was just. I was watching. Joshua's twitter feed right. I mean we were on route to the airport and all of that to get here so there was no livestream of in any way. It was just a twitter thing. It was cool to see the level of twitter involvement like the the whole internet was like all about the whole running. Internet was like all about this and everybody jumped on board to like celebrate this which was really an event it's a cove event like she kinda they they mapped out this course and just kinda did it yet. You know it wasn't like a scheduled race or anything like that. It was so awesome. Everybody was washing it. It was so awesome. We'd our our weekly brooks call today. And we were talking about lauren and brian boy myself. Four of us are on a call every week and and We're just talking about kind of that. That like the attitude of just kind of doing it. It was like in some ways it was like real real running like it's been a while since we've all like there there there's kind of a november project flair to that right like we don't need all this other stuff. Here's the road so cool and like the finish line was held up by josh world record. Josh cox talks san diego padres padres fan. Yes oh yeah. And let's see. We have another partnership with an eyewear company in san diego but does desert come through a handful of times. I've run into dozens. India go and and also led one of our leadership only runs in seattle when we brought everyone together in two thousand and nineteen. We call it the meeting of the minds. And so i know that a lot of november project and especially the leaders were watching yesterday. So shout out. Dads are amazing. More to say in a second but first rich. I've been meaning to ask you something. What's that what is that black band around your left wrist. 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Somebody who wasn't afraid to get on a plane on a stage and get a bunch of people excited and this show at whatever hour of the day a november project young to get everybody fired up. Yeah and now boom pandemic. Yep all out the window. Yeah you've had to like sit with. I mean that's like an extroverts. Worst nightmare it's the word you might have to. You might have to look into the mirror and like do a little self inventory. Yeah i was laughing at you and handled talking about this because you were like yeah. It's fine we don't have to go anywhere else. Like these guys are idiots. Yeah you know. I i do. Not love the social distancing. I don't love it. Don't love any of this stuff. And you know i think early on in the pandemic we all had to like say. I don't remember this but like back when we thought it was weeks. Member exam weeks. Maybe maybe fourteen weeks or whatever people would be like. I'm getting tired of this and you always had to say like but i don't have it that bad he's always you had like precursor kind of followed up with like i'm doing fine. I don't have any makeup complain about. But here's how i'm actually feeling and then the longer the pandemic went people started hopefully more often. But i definitely my community just sharing the drain. It the hub. Draining it is and i mean. I've i have my november project answering. I have my personal answer. My personal answer is like i. I realized during cova that those little conversations that i thought i was having a kind of engaging with the the postal worker or the barista. I've thought i was like mid mid west nice polite like i thought i was doing it for them and i once you turned it off. I recognize like that's also how i look and it's your fuel right and so you mentioned public speaking like i don't lead workouts anymore. I help the organization of nevada project which leads workouts all over the world and so that thrill of stepping up on a wednesday morning and then or even interacting on the community level like with the folks the people on my block like it was all just brought to nothing and so i was surprised at how tough it was. I thought i could like like be just optimistic. And just like stay positive and they wake up tough. It got training. You know to surprise. Yeah i mean. I i'm i would. I would duly expected that you would have a harder. Go than most people says. Yeah and my my sister-in-law. Zoe said one time i got back from a trip. She she kind of caught me is like she kind of pulled me aside. She lives in san diego and she goes. I think you're having even more fun on the road than you. Let off shady but just like she was basically referencing. Like i would come back from these adventures and i would like play like dad roller husband role and be like. Let's go out to dinner. And let's just kind of be a little bit more domesticated in kind of indoor voice and that's fine because i just had a screaming. Wild community driven like togetherness like recess gym class the social structure all in one like firehose for three days in two cities. You have that outlet right. You got fed. So i'm home and be president right not like you know even last year like the meeting of the minds and november project summit were virtual events. You know it's like okay. And you and i've talked about this in the has lake. How much can you lean into that. Soom like how much kenya everyone's like. How can you get right. And i love the challenge. But it's like what's an a plus like togetherness five what does that look like on zoom I mean it doesn't compare to your worst lameness november project experience but just just also for contacts like you. You don't even like you don't even like to text or do phone calls like it's all visual like you're either it's either facetime or leaving a video message. Crystal turrets rich the called short. We've gone over this called short films because they're thoughtful and maybe artistic cynthia short film and you've bought in lab now. Has that affected. Have you sent your only short film. I started doing it more. There's yeah there's been impacted me in. That regard is just better. It's better and then you can get you like the idea of sneaking into. Oh by the way. I wrote a letter. Some letter writers. I didn't know whether i was supposed to. Oh it's art work tomorrow work right shark. God use a typewriter there. You go hipster points hipster points now and the reason the similar to the short film man. It's like this rogan quote. Bg unquote graham. Then you have your phone number address. You can file that away. The slow the reason that the reason that fits with the short film is that during the pandemic. we spent so much time on screens. How can i sneak into rich's day. How can i drop a video to keith. Kelly in utah and and when he needs. The vibe fits right because we've all had that person calling you during the pandemic that you've even caught up with him for a while i. I can't rev another rev even for someone. I love right now. I should probably give him an hour. It's been a while and then you missed the call and it's kinda like that's where people for people that you lying you know sneaking and so if you listen to this and you're a letter writer used to be get back into it or send a video to your friend by text. Yeah because you didn't get to see you hear your vibe right. There's no implicit obligation that you have to get back numb right away right. I like that. Yes a short films. What else by be. I think last year was kind of more than november project answer but you know when the nba cancel. They put their statement out. We cancelled like within twenty four hours. Yeah that was the day that was that was like the rubicon. Wait around day where everything shut down. Oh wow this is like real and growing up as a hoops fan. I like that. The world was waiting. Let's nba gonna do okay. There canceled okay. Shut it all down But we off two cities shut down at the same time and And as a group has never cancelled weather. Ever like or you know The only other time. We cancelled to work for the manhunt the friday after the marathon bombing in boston thousand thirteen and so felt really weird to be like. Shut it down you know. And we recognize that are made a little bit of breeder wants a break because that doesn't really jive these folks are just as he And we shouldn't have been surprised but all these leaders stepped up and they got zoom going and they start hosting virtual stuff and i think would even seemed a little fun early on but as those weeks turned into months and it was just like. Oh this is this is just how do it now. The workout that you went to in west. La years ago you experienced what they kind of come together a normal ish in person of Experience is a crowd of people somewhere. You go in the oftentimes. The new people get introduced. The leaders say what the workouts going to be and within a few minutes. You're moving and the block of time could be twenty thirty minutes but it's usually you're the full experience you back in your car back on your bike within an hour and then i'm kind of framing. That up is that now in this zoom era these leaders instead of just saying oh. You're going to run up the stairs ready to go and then just taking pictures and doing a couple of flights here. And they're like they are. truly fitness. Experience hosts forty five minutes non. It's almost like stand up comedy of like. Yeah you gotta be peleton instruc- yeah you're trying to fill it. And so the vast majority of art project co leaders are not fitness professionals and so it was a lot of growth and it's pretty draining. So and how long did it go on in the virtual round. Because you did one this morning so you guys are back at least in some cities. Certain cities are back You know it's gonna be a longer road for for some and others you know to lose. Which is the one of 'em project that we have in. France in southern france is pretty long road in front of them before coming back in person Here in minneapolis back for i think six weeks. Maybe something like that. And they're doing it differently so it's not like what you experienced one hundred people. It's small groups in three locations. So now they're covering more ground. They have three leaders. Which is that's normal it's capped. It's a sign up sheet which is on their instagram. And there's a spreadsheet you have to sign the waiver which really at odds with the whole spirit. Just show up right now. It's just showed up kinda changing. Yeah so twenty. People per per location these three leaders. Emily ralph and sarah. They split up and going back to what we talked about centralized location they're able to try things which spreadsheets philip i and the extra digital step for such an. Og is kind of killing me because it's like that that that doesn't fit the just show up but this is how you have to do it masks before during and after and like a ready set go plan for if someone gets covid what happens what is contact tracing look like what do group photos look like. I mean you. Remember with maggie in west. La talk about one hundred and fifty people there for sure and it was like squeezed closer. Okay now everyone leaned on. There is like very much like human contact times one hundred and now it's like so so it feels different but man if you've spent ten twelve months not doing group things If sedation where somebody tested positive and you had to do a contact tracing deal yet. Figure out how to respond. yes yes and in those moments. I was very proud of the efficiency. I know that sounds like a managerial being saved. Because my because i reacted where human resources professional i reacted. I was like oh man. We're in trouble. We are oh man. We're fucked it's going. This is going to be a disaster and then like the leaders here the twin cities. We're like no. We reached out to the ten people and we followed the list of names from the waivers and we reached out to them and let them know within a day. The state of minnesota considered it didn't qualify as a close contact because it was outside social distancing with math data like they were just on it so we let them know that they should go get tested. If they're interested in they don't like yeah they kind did it. I don't wanna say perfectly but nearly perfectly right away so that's the model we're looking at and and look i think with november project for those of us who remember those groups of a couple of hundred people. Boston gets four. Five hundred. people signed with edmund tenants. Like i think rather than hold on. Be like i can't wait to get back there and just be like no no because we continue to change like we're not going back. Yeah you're not going to sweaty maybe ever right and so. I think that's that that is an important idea. Not just in the context of of november project. But broadly whether it's what's going on in the city and how the world is paying attention to it or how we're just interacting with each other and our professional lives right. I think we need if we haven't already disabuse ourselves of this idea of getting back to the way it was. We're not going back to the way it was. We're going back to towards something different. Hopefully something better right but it feels like every facet of our lives is sort of being impacted by that idea. Yeah and what that's going to look like and it's all up in the air. Yeah i mean the the really positive like let's look at the brighter side. Rich side of november project during the pandemic was a. You could argue. It was the easiest time to join me living room right and so if you here in the twin cities want to wake up and do the zoom with emily and rob in new york city. You just gotta get up a little bit earlier. You times on game and start with london at two in the morning on tuesday night. I've done workouts with november project. Mary which is in malaysia's more fishing town in malaysian onto. I think it's two pm on tuesday. I mean it's just like the idea of being able to easier. Have an easier route to drop in other communities. Get to know people like it's a stretch especially for someone just finishing. How much like interact with some snare. Who'll and it's not the same. I just know this in the context of like twelve step meetings. That's a different version of what you're talking about. That gives me sustenance and fuel and sense of purpose and direction groundedness and all the like and when it all goes to zoom. Yeah i do it. But it's not the same. And i do feel my self wanting it to go back to the way it was right and now look at some point all gather together the way that we do that is probably going to be different right but the challenge is getting over that refusal to engaged now. Because you're waiting until later moment because you're missing the opportunity in the interim yeah by the way how often you depends. I mean you know it's it's i am happy to answer it. I mean the truth is that might meeting. Attendance dropped off dramatically. You know because it's zoom. And i was like i can't do another zoom call now right now and recently i found my way back to it and falling in love with it in a different conway because i was just waiting for it to go back to the way that it was. And it's a he you know it's the most important aspect of my life and yet i couldn't get myself to log on. I just had zoom fatigue. And i just didn't wanna do the thing that another at another hour looking at screens. No with the board of directors for nevada's you can want to one of the board members who is near the community said you know who are some of your competitors the joke and the reality is like warm warm beds in the morning a morning only group and when people are getting up and putting their shoes on going have an outdoor experience as opposed to open the lid of a laptop solo in a quiet apartment. Like it's just it's such a wildly different thing. And yeah i mean look i would suspect that you you you are competing with the peleton's of the world like because everyone's at home trying to find a out at home your free and you're an all comer deal but without the the group congregation aspect of it. Now you're relegated to competing with everybody else. He's doing fitness online. I want i want to use this platform. I'm glad you came here. Just let peleton. No we're going to bring them down if you're listening it's on you're going down robin nyc. You're going now robin you're going now. I mean you know that's a tough thing like what you said about the meetings and waiting waiting for them to go back right running running into into people or people over online social whatever and be and have someone say you know. I'm just waiting until they're back. Yeah i'm not doing zoom understand. It like the way. I would speak to someone on the street years ago. I'd like dude. You've got this. And i would chop down all their excuses and now i just we just have to be people have to be more gentle to each other and our leaders in atlanta are like. We're not going to be pushy. Recruiters if we get five people who want to be there. That's great if we get fifteen grade but we're not gonna guilt a sixteen person into showing up to a zoom experience in the morning. Not knowing all that's pushing and pulling them in their day you know so. That's something how many cities are you doing it in personnel. Think a fifteen or twenty and an and the reason i give you that as the answer is in so it's not even just a lever of zoom or in person. There's his different challenges. There's what's called fly bys where they'll kind of assign different locations and like less centralized hosted thing so but full full swing back with a big group like pretty much not. Yeah well we're in this weird in between zone right now where we feel like we're emerging out of rights situation but we really haven't quite yet nope and we're all impulse to like just say come on. Let's get on light right now. Like minnesota's having a little bit of a spike as a result of that california's doing really well right now. But yeah and then someone said something about variants. Let's also does you. All the buzzwords booster shots. What else we say. Yeah i mean this idea of like springtime here in the mid west like it fi like i have to check myself a little bit me like just because it feels like we should be back. That means nothing Right so have you had any like days in the seventies yet like that first day whereas a blue sky seventy four degrees out in mid western folks are just pasty white legs just like minnesota wild and yeah like when i left san diego like he was one thing we didn't wanna ever talked about the weather in san diego right and there's nothing to talk about right and there. Is this greedy nature of of looking forward to and surviving a winter the nordic skis scene and fat tire. Seen things that ice fishing. Which no i haven't gotten into yet. I don't think i'm going to. But i had a knee surgery this past winter. I've spent a lotta time on snowshoes. Walking around and talking to those people out there in the huts you know. There's some something that comes to talk to people. I'm to get snow shoes so bad. Desperate to scott somebody. I'm going to walk out on this frozen lake hut and he's the same line so these are these are usually usually men usually kind of standoffish at first. And here's my age. Because i've lived here for a year and a half. My approach is done this. I've never admitted this. I've done this probably thirty times. Thirty different ice huts lake. Minnetonka kind of near there. Hello hi is this ice fishing. I just moved. I just moved here from southern california. It's kind of just like give them the whole story and then they'll usually show me the whole thing. This is how drill the thing. And i know how they write meta guy last excited but i keep that going so i'm gonna play the new card for like i wanna play the new guy. I might play for ten years. You have to pay a lot of money to do that. I would just never would never occur to me to do that. And i thought it was drinking thing. I always thought it was like some homer. Simpson like al bundy. Like he's gonna ask shit out there. Those guys are a couple pops in. I thought that. I thought it was like mostly about the cooler a beers and maybe a radio and i was so wrong. He's sport fisher people fisherman. Anyway i was wrong about that. I was actually looking for somebody. You wanna beer. Because i just thought that'd be cool to have that experience. I do you know. Are we friends yet. Said he calls me a friend hunter just he says that i'm always i'm always looking for. I think about that. The friend hunter just like the whole vibe. By general public she has to contend with the guy who's literally going to walk up to every stranger. I think she liked it when we were falling in love. I think it's a lot it's a lot. It's a lot i'm not. I don't do low key really well. So it's like you're not like on a on a trajectory towards the destination. There's a lot of stops eating from a to. B yeah it's it's like multidimensional experienced life all go over there for a while. No reason i don't know but it's the reason that i think i have these really weird interesting kind of occurrences and and and i know that. What the labor thing you miss all the shots you don't something take so for me when it comes to people it's like i had this happened just this past summer and then last summer to do this. I'm going to tell this story i. My knee was still kind of some my bike shop. It wasn't happening so i ended up. Rollerblading okay imagine me on rollerblades through downtown minneapolis. Now you see what it's like and in my past rowing life. I got really good at checking out rowers on the charles river. 'cause i was a coach after i was an athlete and i would watch the way men and women would take strokes boom boom and the body positioning and the shape and build and even sitting down. But that's a tall person that seems like oh they could probably relaxing scouting athletes and bodies. And so it's never really left and then we fallen into running essentially. I'm still checking out runners. So last last summer i was rollerblading through downtown minneapolis. Which was a ghost town as it is. Yeah and i saw this guy who was just such a smooth smooth runner so smooth like you put a glass of water on top of his head kind of thing and i admire that. Because i'm a big heavy runner right and my first reaction. 'cause like nine. Am or something. It was like just after just before nine. And i'm thinking i'm kind of like doing that. So this guys running in downtown. That seems kinda like touristy thing to do. He's a really good runner. long dreadlocks. Black man looked like he was between twenty and forty was like okay. Friend hunter okay. This is a great now. Mike and i stopped myself and mike. Okay goldie says. I talked to people too much k. And then i'm not just trying to talk to a black guy. Okay but i should. But you don't go just trying to hang on and i'm like i'm playing all this i'm like okay and i kept skating escape past him and i was like a i've i've become somewhat nature. Yeah and i wasn't proud so like a block later and this is all going on in my head block later was like no. That's not who you are this. That's you don't have a ton of skills. Maybe one of them is approach. Maybe that is one and this is going to think you're an idiot and it's not gonna can act but you don't know unless you try to pretended that my rollerblade was messed up. So i waited at a crosswalk and this do roles you to create all this artifice. Totally already passed them. Totally loop back around back and he and he stand there and i go look man. I noticed that you are extremely smooth runner. And i've got a running injury right now. But if i were running all these buildings would be shaking and you got a big laugh right skate with the guy for a little bit from kansas city visiting here to work very kind of just general as a kansas city. We have a november project. There they meet at the war memorial on wednesday mornings. You should go. you're runner. You're up in the morning ish start talking talking. Whatever we start falling on social and turns out. He's a journalist for the new york times. He covers racing culture. John elegant shot john. I think he thinks maniac. He's the guy who's been covering on for the new york times. Yeah he's the guy. Yeah trinidadian trinity church trinidadian. Try to say that one but we gotta try it. We got a practice stuff. Written down the open her league-record he's trinidadian. Probably would you that one super super calm guy lifetime runner. Obviously he's incredible ryder and he. Someone from the new york times recently said that he dedicated his work. You pretty much move to minneapolis. Which is accurate to that story. This is his beat. He's gotta be here right. And so then. The only other part of the story were john elegant and overlap and now i think we are friends and john. If we're not just text me and you can just tell me i'll shut it down but He was in china to interview the mayor. And and jacob fry hit up and he said hey look. I've got the new york times in the morning. I hadn't talked to this. John elegant guide completely on the new york times in the morning so i should probably go with him solo and i said okay and didn't tell tell jacob this story that's just kind of a normal story anyway. He meets up with some new york. Times guide happened to be this guy in the first twenty steps. The run john elegant says to jacob. Do you know broken graham and they both cracked up and it was like this great experience and so the reason. i'm telling. That story is not to celebrity brag on john or jacob or you on the rich podcast it is scouring you forgot what jacobs said. Which was i. We will have broken ground running with totally so the story is this. You gotta go in uganda. Go yeah you gotta go in especially now living in the mid west being so close to madison. Where i'm from my brothers milwaukee like. It's starting to be kind of like it's starting to be kind of. Where did you go to high school kind of vibe right now. I've been living in different coasts for the last twenty years and so it's a cool time. And i think the masks and the social distancing in a intensity that we're feeling right now to me it just feels like restrictions and challenges of like okay. Yeah well how did you become friends. Running buddies with the banger. Yeah so when. I lived in boston and san diego A very dear friend of ours very dedicated november project raw true runner who actually got me connected to new balance back in the day. Claire wood now lives in portland. Oregon went to high school with jacob and so when we moved here. she's like. You should connect with this guy. And i didn't really know really know anybody. He's a former pro runner. Yup i mean he's a to sixteen marathon sixteen he got like four at the pan. Am games or something like that competed internationally. He has to be the fastest. The most accomplished runner in elected office in the us yet. And then and then also just like a another running fun fact like a local The mayor in saint paul's also a former pro runner really sprinter. Yeah and so so anyway. These twin cities minneapolis and saint paul in my experience and growing up in a big town. The capital of wisconsin in madison going to school in boston being around a lot educated folks living next to harvard and mit that whole zone and then san diego's got a lot of a lot of great things. It's not exactly like a actual hotbed. Good will hunting was filmed in san diego but moving here it in my experience it feels like the baseline level of local politics and activism and understanding of like the those worlds. It's in my opinion. It's fairly high. And so. I think jacob headed off because we both liked around the morning. I didn't know very many people and then when he talked about work i'd be like i don't love you man but i don't really i don't know what the heck you're talking i don't care i don't care a little but not really and i think he's he's got a world full of people here that It's got a lot of demands. You know but. I would suspect that after living here for a while. you don't really have. The latitude did not care. Like you quickly become somebody who cares and you seem like somebody who does not about the intricacies of of wonky policy making but just in terms of how local politics has a very real impact of the people that live here and what that means of. What's happening here to the rest of the world like it's very significant. What's going on right now. Yeah and i would say that. I since the last year and a half of being here i'm engaged. I think i understand what's going on On a local level but the people within reach in my in my life here in the twin cities are kind of more toward the activism. Right of what feels like unhappy no matter what happens sometimes. So that's hard. yeah. I think we shall wake up and do our part and there's just there's always going to be more any topic in any in any part of this you know. I can't imagine the pressure that that jacob fry feels right now to try to keep things intact. It's gotta be unbelievable. We'll talk to him. And the extent to which running helps him like process all of it. yeah. I would imagine i mean. He speaks on running the way a lot of folks in in the november project community. speaking running. where it's like. If you miss you run and you get that extra ninety minutes asleep or an hour of sleep like it doesn't do as much for your day as had you trade that the experience right right and so yeah. He's he runs crazy ours. Nashi his day is a long day. Starts early in um yeah admire. I admire people that are up out of bed doing something physical before they go into whatever their roles in any community you know and so i don't know a lot of criticism a lot of shots from a lot of people. There's a lot of vitriol and a lot of split right like a lot of people don't like the guy. A lot of people are on board with him and the intersection and kind of the you know he's the he's the vehicle through which a lot of people can process whatever they're unhappy with about how things are going down right now. Yeah yeah i mean and you know. He's a he's a handsome. You know really fast runner that like kind of you know. If people don't like him the they find a way to really not liking him you know. And he's a white man and he's also. This is a key piece not from here right right. I think in a lot of cities especially for the position of mayor that matters texas. Where's he from is from virginia. Okay we're clear. And he went to. Yeah so so. Yeah and it's it's a reelection. You're so right now. I live in the burbs. I can't even vote so good. Luck jacob everybody or verb of getting up getting the run in so that the rest of your day goes well. That's something i did today. I can't say got up. All that early i was i was not gonna make it. It is two hours later. So what time. So so you ran. I woke up. I woke up at at at like a eight. Am here. i think. I woke up at eight so it was like getting up six totally and there was no on the ground but it's also In the wake of having done a podcast with matthew walker the other day. Who's the sleep expert guy. And he talks about how important eight hours to get eight hours no matter what so. I've graduated out of that. Like i have to get up at the crack of fuck no matter. What right vibe. Which you're still on board with. I am and as you get. I will tell you this as your senior rise. You get older. That sleep becomes a little. Bit more elusive. Especially when you travel across time zones in hotels and stuff like that. I'm only taking advice from older. Dads okay that's like my new. That's one piece of advice and we played this out a little bit because in in kind of trying to plan the itinerary for this trip you were getting all hopped up. And i was like i throw on that parade. 'cause you're like we're going to do this. We're gonna do that. Like i have to make sure that i execute on these podcasts. At the highest level capable of. And if i overbook myself i'm not going to be prepared. I'm gonna be tired. I can't just be running in a million different during like papa bear reply all he that was like it was very fun. You're like it's not a you're a downer and but but just just so you know for future like trash talk that will come your way from yours. Truly like that work there was a good method right and the email and i think most of the cats on there it was like it was like i need to focus on what i came there for all the shit. Sorry dad but yeah you know like in in tribute to you coming and that smackdown of an email meeting place. I also leading up to this Have been getting more sleep and with the ride to downtown and back. I've started calling that. Like i've been nicer myself to you. Ride your bike and inner city every day which is twenty miles. You go back and forth. Count that as my workout right so like instead of having to get up and do something and then the ride and i've just been like okay riches coming i'm gonna cut back on the beers get better sleep and just called my bike ride good enough. It's still forty miles of riding if you hit that hard. That's pretty good. Yeah anyway so. If i seem like extra on it today. It's because i'm getting better. Well this is what i want. Yeah because this is for the ages. My friend totally. This is locked in the little jog. I did this morning. I mean running around right in downtown. I mean i don't really know where i am so i ran around the streets in the building. Bridges and stuff. Yeah cool it was irie like everything is boarded up. Everything is shutdown. Barely any people out you see media media trucks. You see a lot of Tripods and cameras and people getting ready to cover. What's going on. Yeah you had been sharing pictures of police presence and like humvees and stuff like that. I didn't see that much of that this morning but it was still pretty early. Perhaps that happens as we get towards evening but it was strange. You know strange to be in the city that i'm not familiar with just. It's my favorite thing to wake up in a new city. And just i don't even look at a map right outside and run around and try to get a feel for the right but there's like no vibe there's because there's nothing nothing going on and getting it last night we couldn't get any food because there's no delivery and like it was it was like i was like. Oh my god we might be able to eat. I love that well because that was a travel disaster story like no food. I figured like usually the worst case scenario. Is you get like room service spaghetti which we did but it was really expensive and not that much food and i was like this. Do it right. Gotta find somebody. Who's going to deliver to us. And i were through door dash they charge your credit card and then they cancelled if you sound like two hundred and fifty dollars writer yet your they tell me now. It's not coming but we're still gonna take your money into a mild panic. The the let's see the the part about the police presence here right now is frustrating. Because i was and i know that this is a camera so we don't have to get into this but like every time i see a humvee or a bunch of armed guards with machine guns here in downtown minneapolis. I wonder i just think about january. Sixth i just think about what that staff looked like on the steps of the capital. So that so. There's that. And then i want to circle back on these said because i told you some jokes last year landed pretty well which was just about how thoughtful your podcast was. But i was the first time so in my head kind of about everything going on that i kind of i kind of fell off the ritual. Podcasts yeah i know but it feels good to say it on the show right so then but one of the covers but not completely probably doing an episode a week. Okay love john. Sally that just i love the always. Go pick up his daughter. It's like my favorite thing having a bail. I love that. But in the conversation you had with knox robinson shout knocks you. You examine something that you just said just now which is the idea of like when you get to a new city. You like to go run around. I completely the same way but to the run world to the white folks running like if you feel that same way explorer city on foot like it's so you never think twice about it and i've done it all over the world totally done it and had noslem countries. Whatever you all kinds of crazy were yup about my safety once split shorts phone and so like again like i try to find points of entry to see the see white privilege and like for the running world like if you like to explore a city that you don't know on foot like let's look at that and so i'm not calling you calling. All today agree when i travel. I'm like oh. Yeah what is baltimore like i'll just trot around and so i think that's that's another way of looking at it but when you had so you were saying when knox came out to visit because i want to talk about that got you spent like a whole week with that guy right. Yeah well. I think so was definitely on the brogan itinerary. Oh yeah and that was all shared in technicolor on instagram. The phones we use that pink cap quite heavily so i reached knocks last summer. Actually i think i've seen him sit down. You had for the ritual. Podcast which i think you did in los angeles. It was like the black drape thing that's our when he started doing that. Yeah right after that. I think shortly. After that. And i wanted. I wanted to amplify a voice of credibility in run but not just someone that get knocked doesn't speak for black people and running but he has his own experience and he has his own set of identities and i also know knox and like ran into him at a million events and like you know he's got a kid and got a couple of kids now and so i've always liked him and so through the invite as we were getting ready to host the meeting of the minds november project summit virtually and it was going to be another piece of content And yeah he came out. Like one thing i say i said yes right away like he knocks robinson said. Yes so fast. I was like i was wondering if there's like a like a. Nobody traveled more during the pandemic. Then i would hit him up with the film and he went to africa would send one right back. He'd be like yeah. I'm in mexico city. I live here now. Yes so basically. He said yes so quickly And it was. It was a really beautiful conversation that that we were able to share. Kind of just catching up on our time. Line of like what. The black roses was what they were doing when it was he and jesse and how he sees run and taking over spaces and you know we recorded that my garage and it was great. It was really great quality beautiful but it really was the time around riding bikes with the leaves. Changing it was fallen. But yeah i think that i think having knocks here you know going back to my mom said it's like there's folks in new york and los angeles and there's a lot of american between you know and to have you here have knox come to minneapolis minnesota or the burbs where i live. Now it's like it was cool. It felt good. You know and with all that's going on here now It's just a reminder that like there's a there's a lot of communities that are going through a lot of hurt you know and and I have friends in san diego. Still really know where i live. They call it indianapolis indianapolis. Yeah because if you're not on the coast and then you're just in some no-man's-land that doesn't count so yeah so those were important times and And but again that was for that was for a gathering. That's usually a couple thousand. People called the november project summit and just have a virtual offering and a couple of things it was just like you know so a lot has happened since the last time we sat down a lot has happened. You got a kit now. I got a kid now. I'm a dad you are dead. I'm a dad. We've had some good dad conversations. We have we have. I feel like i feel like that's my connection to to you and this show which is like i like people that are out there grinding. I like people out there. They're athletes in in whatever stage of life. But if you're a dad. I feel like i feel a connection to that you know. And so born to be a dad boorda. Yeah i here are like i mean. You're like dad dad. I'm in yeah. I'm in it. Yeah i think. I could have been a better dad who this baby. The baby is a lot of standing around. And now that my kids three. He turned three in february. So let's say okay so we did a podcast in february seventeen. My son was born. Leumi leumi graham. Look at that was born. When i say you were born to be a dad. This is what this navy. You're not watching thai shirt. And i talked to him. It doesn't it doesn't just say luby's dad on it. It's like sewn onto the front of and your shirt when your dad. You should just start talking in your shirt to get into jogging. Tuck your shirt. Read the paper i got. I got the print on sunday now. Some drink coffee read. The paper insert letter on like an ancient type letters. I mean it's and like on the here when you just give me your phone number. Plus one and then in parentheses difficult like gets the forty s so my shirt tucked entering the sunday times and ripping out typewriter stuff. Yes oh mummy was born a year after the thing when we sat down. I i've said this before two friends and i said on a couple of other things but I was traveling much during that time i was. I was a little freaked out. That i would not want to be home if that makes sense like sometimes friends of mine that are men that are dads. Do that kind of oh brother oh man. It's a lot stressful. It sucks or whatever you being at home or being on the road being at home right and then you also hear lots of guys talk about. How stressful it is to be traveling all the time and i think one thing you and i share as like yeah. I'm not that guy. i love airports. I love i time travel right. How i know era right. I mean the houston airport. No i don't exist. So so pows traveling so much and so thrilled by that and like my sister-in-law said i was coming to life on the road. I was concerned that like. I'd be one of those dad. Like you know it problematic. I'd come home like wa wa this. You're like jeremy renner in the grocery store looking at like detergent and brecht totally meal and just being out. Get me out of here. I wasn't that way. I still came to life on the road but like i was when i was home. I think goldie could say this for sure. When i was home i was home. You know and but the ability to be fully present and grounded at home is informed by getting fueled up by those experiences on the road. Yeah and i think when people talk about exercise to make your yourself the best self so that you be in relationships better you can be your best self at work to keep yourself you know and for me that also applies to like the social engagement coming to life on the road and not even really late nights not even really like nothing to like r. rated nothing that fun traditionally but just still being myself and data home being individual but also being married. You know like. I think you fall into those things. That's your old. That's all you are. And so i was really pumped to come home with a little baby. And now he's a toddler like he actually is fun instead of like. I think we love our eighty getting bigger diapers you like a year or two of that you know they start becoming real people. Yeah it gets really fun. Yeah and so now. So almost every day monday through friday i have a counter leumi leumi time. Which is like around five o'clock until he goes to six seventy depending on whatever and it's also and we go stumble around the woods or like pretend to go fishing and like just kind of fumble through stuff climb trees like it's like the stuff and i hate to be this way but it's like big big backyard. It's like it's kinda why we moved here right. And so and those of you who are on the ground that follow goldie. She announced yesterday that kid. I know it's exciting. Man wherever daughter little girl. You are which is great. We have enough white. Dude's there's away you're like thinking. Well here's your thing. Yeah you know what. I don't know that i know well I i think that the understanding and the growth in our society but definitely in my household and for me personally around like gender and what matters identity and and then going to this baby gender. Reveal kind of vibe of like. We're having like i think i thought if i was paying attention. We're supposed to not talk about it. Like it seems outdated to pop the balloon in the paint. Confetti comes on and we'll say girl watch fireworks right. So i remember seeing people on being like we're doing the reveal it being like what i didn't know we're still doing that so so i don't think well i don't know what it's i guess it might be a regional thing too. I don't know it depends on where you live but the progressive notion is that we no longer do that. We're not doing that so so then this is like telling the story. I came home on my bike. Laws visiting jen and gary visiting and a little bit late and i can tell agitation. We're doing the thing we're doing it. And what are we talking about. Her mother had had had talked to the doctor on the only person who new. We're having to wear girl was jen and she had gone to the store and got a big balloon and what we're doing a gender reveal. In that moment. I had to decide like be scrooge and ruined christmas and like take the energy out of. We're not doing that and her mom. It's like a nice thing for mom. Whatever and i even said to go there. Are we doing that. And then i realized like shut up. Shut up Don't ruin the moment and it just but just but maybe we can because it goes back to angela. Anti-racism it's like. Maybe i can have a conversation with jen and i can ask goldie. We're not going to post the pink balloon popping. That's a bad. We're not doing that. But maybe we can engage and have these conversations and then we all kind of win. I wish we didn't did do it. And we potted okay. So then i was kinda screwed on the inside smiling on the outside. Okay cool. I didn't stand up for much okay. Great and then we sent it to our good friends in san diego who have boy girl and they sent us back. A video of them watching the reveal and they were jumping up and down and screaming and crying and it was so beautiful and i was like. Oh that's awesome okay So a lot of words. I don't gender reveal. It's complicated these days right. Yeah so we're having so go back to the top. We're having a girl. I congratulate you and we're having to be it's cool man. No were stopped. yeah i love. I love the videos that you share online with you in mean thank you all we're stocked with a mom named goldie and a dad named brogan. An older brother named leumi. I think we should name this girl. Sarah or take him straight up the middle lane like emily gentleman straight man. You can't have everybody camp milk totally whack. Let's be clear it's not just leumi. It's it's leumi cobra cobra graham. Where does that come from. So when we found out when we found out we were pregnant when we found out goldie was pregnant new age stuff and this dad thing. I'll teach you because you're a little bit further down. The road apps pila tracking apps. Okay so you say like oh you know there's the due date and then kind of every week will be like oh now decides grape and it's but and it actually is cool but you have to put in a placeholder name so the apple spit out. It'll say like baby graham or something and so in gold a yoga instructor and so one of the poses call baby cobra your belly. You kind of lift up. Whatever and i don't know how we plug that in. But it's kinda cute still teaching so i go to our classes and she'd say let's all come into baby cobra and we all can kind of wink at the wife. It was great but the further we got like into her pregnancy referring to baby cobra. We're talking about logging fuel copeland house like we started looking at each other like okay. She's goldie i'm brooklyn we're like are we really doing. Your this is actually gonna be gone too far. And then she's looking at me like and she's outrageous with the names so she's like she's looking at me like for the voice of reason she's looking at me as the voice of reason and she's like i don't think we would you and i'm like i don't know this is gonna be what it is and then we're just like what is that. What is that due to a person. Send them into the world as cobra. The pasty white san diegan with the middle name right so we hit it. Yeah so it's kinda like you're coming in hot with cobras the first name. That's a that's a heavy load now. It's kind of a product as how often is your middle name come up. What's your mentally. David david so boring. Mines mine's pretty much data mines. Christopher same thing it's the same thing that's the same they got. They got those names out of the have significant team steven right well. It was my grandfather's name. Yeah my grandmother so my kids. Great grandmother's maiden name was rocker. And i think that's a cool first name. yeah anyway. What have i married rocker right then. That woman's name would be rocker. Roll rocker roll rocker role. Yes take a roll-call by the way. I want adams job. You're going to have to come and do some guest hosting like an anti the reason. I'm reason listening to his hype. Man i would be into and the thing is the reason. I'm i really despise that guy. Because he does a good job. Very good yeah. I mean with the hundred risen to the occasion for sure. And it's been great but i also you know one of the things that i had in mind when we were thinking about this tour in these live events. I wanted to have you involved. We talked about it. Because you're like the ultimate hype man rate stage great and so. That was one of the many ideas we've canceled on. Adam has job security though. What does he do he. He's my he's my that is full-time kick. No he's he's in. Your times correspondent got contributor. he's an author. He corrode dave goggin book right right right so he's written his own books and he's working on a novel. He does lots of stuff. When i when it's called role on when you it up when when those episodes come up because i want his role so bad his job so bad. I press play on those podcasts. Like hey you hate lists yeah. I'm like this is stupid. Listen to it on like laughing. this stuff. no discount codes and she'll work that goes in behind the scenes. We have this robust outline. He's reading all kinds of stuff. We're talking throughout the week about what we want to talk about. So our homework is involved. And then but i'm like i'm like a field reporter kinda like volunteer my marketing ideas and use it goggin. So i've got a roll this out this. I throw you ideas. Mike nonsense like all the time. You mostly get back to me. And i remember talking to mostly but you you one time. I threw this idea. We're on the phone. I think we're actually faced. I think we might have been on the telephone smartphones. Still have the feature. You can just call someone. We're on the telephone fashioned telephone call with rich role and i was like oh man on a bike ride. You remember this. I bike ride. And i thought it was funny shit because i was listening to you and a couple of key. Words came up. Do you know what going i think. So yeah yeah. And i was like you gotta do ritual bingo and have these bingo boards out there and then when people hear like a key word they can they can play along. I know so. Many endurance athletes are like doing marathons and stuff but it was the one time in our friendship where you were like flatlined you like. It was with your silence you said. I don't like that drinking game. Whenever i say somewhere that i always say all the time totally and so what. I'm going to create a space. You pay attention. Those moments someone's like it's a bad idea and you're like okay. Finesse it this way but instead of doing that just went ahead created. I know you know when you started your mimicking me on instagram. And you did like so. We'll let me preface this by saying when. I was getting ready to go on this trip. My boys who are twenty six and twenty four who have been living at home since the pandemic. I'm like i'm going. I'm going to minneapolis. I'm gonna see broken and they're like instagram takeover guy. Our like i love that guy says on instagram. And pretend that you. Oh my god so this over and the night you would act like i would pretend rapid takeover miami speak like very thoughtfully and unpack a lot of things timeout homework. So this is a navy can do this. This is and this won't catch on. And i didn't talk about this. If people are just listening you literally handed me a bingo game. Chart read what it says from the top. So podcast been to play tune into any episode of the ritual. You go back. And there's like blink. For keywords mark each space the cutout piece below the first listener with five in a row will win. Many will play win. Yeah peace long pause plans now. Read some of the words here. Yeah about five words out the bottom two. You have a little scissors to cut out right. Your poker chip this is. This is interesting to this. Sounds like a lot of work me. Twenty five minutes of love for the organization though. So here's what here's what you get on the pink on the ritual. Just the key sagan ritual bingo. Can you just say it. Ritual bingo blows. It's nice. yeah go ahead john. joseph is right there at the top top left. Yeah so let's go back beginning so let's go back to the beginning ref- fuel gut health endeavor goggin. Yep say there's a lot of winners health decoding dot com slash rich role. A lot of that. Yeah there's a lot of because now you're doing those in the middle of the show right right studio you just have the symbol like the prince is. That is that upside on. Couldn't figure out to put that right. Goes which i think. he did. Authentic spirituality recovery julie. Precipice new book subscribe hindsight even deeper swimmer paradigm busting. I'm vegan cheese. What you chief missing a few here though sri mill a few well. You can unpack thought. That was your favorite. That is my favorite. Let's land this plane. yeah. I can't wait what you could do is you could knock this all out. You can just really rich. Roll it up in the first ten minutes like everybody would win in short shrift and then they get a discount code for ten thousand shorts all right. I appreciate the effort. Thank you and. I like how it's colorful and i think it will all the fonts and everything just look. I'm gonna keep coming with ideas. We do with this. Though raise money for charity data brits role bingo arm ritual bingo is serious about next time you blow through southern california. You got to drop in on a session. With adam. And i and i would love to chime in and participate in the role on endeavor for his shot out especially especially with the goggin thing that he did the four by four by forty eight. I love walking on lake minnetonka in the frozen whatever and i was listening to him. Talk about running and then you talk about training and it was like this really beautiful thing where he. I hope. this isn't insulting. I mean it as a compliment. But he talked. He was talking about running in a way that more people can relate to like. I don't wanna call them a couch to five ks way more than that. But it was like he was approaching. Run with i think he said like twenty five miles a week trying to trying to get into it and you were like face to hang on. How are you and you're like you were trying to help him. But it was almost like you guys were like it was like too far a little bit. Thought it was awesome because you have so many listeners who are super serious athletes but also people who move a little you know. I thought it was beautiful. I think adam. Adam is very relatable in that regard like he's aspirational and the things that he's trying to do with his running and his swim round and fitness and all that kind of stuff but i think he does sit in a position of more of the listeners in terms of like how they think about these things. Yeah and then how did it go. Did you crush did you do great. Yeah wrote my bike down like check on him a couple times. Did he get ugly at the end he got he did pretty good. Jason did it as well so they were checking in with toss out. that's awesome. yeah that's awesome. Yeah i i was coming up. I was not going to do that. But i was still running for him. Were you uncomfortable that you couldn't rise the occasion absolutely instead. Snowshoeing out on lake minnetonka like looking for fishermen. Yes and it's surprising. You haven't started the podcast too much workman. that's it. Anybody could put together this podcast. Bingo chart prolly the whole roll podcast. Bingo okay the goggin thing is crazy i will. I will do the. I will do the four by four. Forty eight goggin has been on your show. Now i'm not joking but goggin suspending your show like four times twice. He's in the twice club with yours. Truly nobody i'm i am inspired by god. I liked goggin called a friend of mine's dad who was battling cancer and this just a few months ago and let them voicemail. Wow and you know. Steve proximal the to the stephen is his dad. Read the guardians burke and whatever and so. I'm not a huge fan. But when i heard his voice like in this really matter of fact way. Talking to steve's father about taking this thing head on and like you got this. I was just like okay. I got the phone. I was like well. You you definitely have to do the four by four and it was the only had a few weeks. And he's in great shape. But i don't need to know much more my dog because that was like a really well. Placed perfect nike uniform. Dad is doing much better at school. Steve's he's the november project leader in buffalo. Yeah yeah and he's like one of the earliest fans of this podcast and and you know frankly. He's he's a friend of mine that i get to know through school. He visited us at our house. Yes yeah yeah so anyway. He came on and twenty seventeen and They've been doing a good job and buffalo. Since he's also like mr connector in that city like everyone knows him back to leumi back to looming. Yes so so. I guess he's probably not old enough to really understand kind of what's going on. In this city they listen and right. You feel a you you can you talk to him about all of this stuff yet or not. So can you talk to him. So i have friends. That are most excited about anti-racists work through the lens of being parents. Right and what history classes we took and what things we learned about the united states and like how. How will that look for this next generation. And so i'm very interested. In that. And i i'll be completely. I haven't had those kinds begun those conversations. He has a hard time sitting still and we know he's young. He's into coral reefs and things like that but but but not too far off to be honest and you know i was speaking to some other friends where especially last summer here living in uptown and the the very organized peaceful protests and some of the riots like i remember seeing it whether it was on tv or just listen just out my front window and thinking like i gotta be out there. That's i want to be in the mix with people. One of the leaders in san francisco reminded me this week. That like there are there are other ways you can have as much much more impact but but going back to what we said earlier about who i am and how. I connected how i participate. I would imagine you're to be right. And i'm like we're on go and she's like you're not leaving us here that vibe and so that was a real push poll for like the fatherhood thing of like what is your response bright and right and whereas your time best yeah and so you know but i did and i still do take him out on the bike seat. Little bike seat on the back dad man. In the sheriff He goes on the back and And we we would go do some peaceful marches and protests and things and i would talk about how these your mommy and daddy's friends and everyone's wearing black and and Black lives matter. We've been to the george floyd memorial. Now it's called george floyd square I went once myself. And then the next day i took just just leumi I didn't like But then the three of us went the next day which has its own. Which has its own kind of set of opinions which is just kind of tourist vibe of like going to the place where this unarmed black man was killed. Yeah and which is something we're gonna. I think we're going to do after this podcast right and it is a loaded thing like you don't want to be a lucky lou. Like how do approach that with the correct level of respect and appreciation. It's not about your instagram moment. Yeah i mean this was compensation to came up with knox when he visited you know i said i said to him and i said to you like if we don't go i understand From a personal a point of view. I think i think it's i think it's important any steps closer. You can take to the reality. I encourage and i know i'll get blowback for just even saying that and and for me to take my kid there and my wife and we we took pictures and you know Again supercharge with privilege. But like george floyd and our move to minneapolis. And i don't know how much longer will be here. we could. He could go to college you. This could be where we are forever. But if we aren't or if we are his first history lesson that he lives through that he knows. George floyd and we. We went to the place where he was murdered. In broad daylight and look if if if there's some judgment there and Not only do i understand it. But i like i see it And at the same time. Like i think i think keeping kids cocoons and not not telling these stories is absolutely wrong one hundred percent so be with you so then it's that corner on chicago has point four from where we live. You know. i've read my bike in every corner of the city. So yeah we're going to go one of the things that we've talked about a couple of times on facetime with respect to you know being a dad is the challenge of trying to figure out like what that means and twenty twenty one right. You're no longer don draper. Who's going out and doing whatever as long as you're paying for everything You can't just be the super sensitive guy you're expected to be strong but also emotionally available at just the right time. You have to be the good listener but you also have to be the person who knows how to erect the boundary. Well making a living. That's going to support the people right that you share a home with right and it could be overwhelming and confusing. No what that roadmap for you. Yeah i think. It's i think it's his dress that it's also not cool to complain about you know there's not much of a space for men to be like. Wow this is a lot. You know you're supposed to you're supposed to have you still got this beyond so jets. It's complicated being. Yeah like that's part of that is yes in part of that is part of the problem for sure what i mean like just for sure. I'm just going to buckle down and solve the problem. Yeah isn't necessarily how you solve the problem right and then and then and then what stereotypes do. We continue like supporting. And what are we still think is like the husband role thing like for example like roundhouse shit. Like i didn't really wanted to move. The burs did and now. He's got his hats. The house has like a water heater. What the hell's a watery furnace i don't. I'm just saying things now a sink. I knew that one before Carpet wood floors. Thanks so so okay lawn okay. I got my shirts tucked in his says loonies dad. I'm pushing lawnmower. It's all come. It's all coming to life. But i i've i've gotten some shade from the moments. Where goldies like can you. Can you build a dresser or like hanging the lights or like the thing and like. I can't do that stuff and then i grew up in house where i can kind of always doing projects and things but like so always especially in my new like suburban housewife. It feels like fail to like call like a real guy with a tool belt and owns the saw to come saw my stuff. Washing machine breaks or whatever totally and so like as if as if we buy a house and the dad then knows how to fix dryer. Same day it's like we're talking about so i think pushback so so so it would be like the stereotype and i tell you this when she's like are you pissed and i'm like yeah she's like explain yourself and like i don't know a dad thing to replace the ceiling fan or something and a lot of my homies. Speeding disappointed in yourself. Because you feel like you don't you can't live up to that. That's the role stereo. Yeah yeah and then. I threw back in there. I house like that would be like me saying your cooking sucks. You can't cook. And then she's like well. I can't and i'm like yeah yeah you. You're pretty good cook. Okay maybe i should learn a ceiling. Fan these stereotypes. What our roles are. And so. I mean going back to just the one on one time with your kid when your phone down and like how you talk to kids like the generations before us and also some of us had parents didn't have all those countries but didn't didn't weren't so open and i really admire the parents who have a relationship with their kids where you know for most of their childhood for sure maybe up until they're teenagers are coming to their parents and ask some questions right and if you don't have that communication open who's on right yeah mother or father or whatever i think that's on the parent so those are good goals. That fall outside of the roles and the stereotypes. It's just like i think i can do that. A lot of my friends guy friends and so one of the things. I've learned as i continue to try to figure out this parenting thing. I've said this before but the older boys are my stepson's. I had a hand in helping you. Navigate them young man but i wasn't their dad but is around all the time right so i feel like on some level i participated in another Yeah and he since passed away and that was great and he was a great so i was always very respectful and cautious shirts. Overstep that boundary with these next two. Who are my children It's been a lot harder. And when i thought i had a grip on what parenting was. I'm continually challenged and brought to my knees would have never imagined and one of the things that i've learned to get back to. My original point is no matter what you do like the pendulum swings back and hits you in the ass. Sure so when you're like. I'm going to be the open. Dad hotels him all this stuff. We just a certain age and they're like why are you telling me all this. You're angry that you're an idiot. you should just like. I just need to know that you've got it under control right now. But if you're that guy then there'd be like why didn't you tell me it's rigged in a way that you're not going to win right right. You're you're in this like weird mouse. Labyrinth right only leads to like damage control right right right and learning how to like come to terms with that and be okay with that has led to a lot of pain but also some hilarious conversation that and is that for for the two younger kids. Was that always that feeling or was it mostly teenagers. No this is this is this is all coming out has got teenage they reach a level of sentence and and look kids will try to identify either becoming more like you like they're gonna they're gonna take your lead and look up to you and be like i wanna be like dad or i want to be like mom or they try to craft their identity in opposition to right so you were in that right now. It's like whatever we're dying that's definitely the wrong way to do things right and they have to figure it out for themselves as a parent you like well. Let's give them that opportunity because you want them to push their boundaries and figure out what works for them and what doesn't like that self exploration that differentiation that trying to figure out who they are in the world totally as they get older totally out at some point. You got to put the guardrails up. But where do those go talk. Just it's so stressing me out using stressing me out. Go back to fish eddie. Like when you when you said oh we're going to have another baby. I'm like good will in fifteen years you'll be totally totally definitely like you control some of this story. You control the pacing on this which was like you said some very sweet things. Oh i remember washing my kids in the sink and time flies. When i see you with lumia i miss that. It's like i'm i'm not in that stage afterma russia's hundred percent present for that yes. It's such a cool guy. And then like i just like it cracks me up like a mat like for whoever's listening this imagine ritual. Was your dad. Like how wild is that. Like and then you talk about the pendulum swinging like what they're eating beef nachos like and they're like just they think you're they think you're shit is just terrible. Basically you know one of the funny things that juliet julian. I will then go like when we're talking about it. She'll be like we'll just jump me like there's always people on the world they would love for roy totally totally because you know this thing like younger people do. It's like internet. Speak in youtube comments to say dad dad like oh. You're the mentor. That i need in my life. I get those comments on like dad dad. Yeah yeah but my kids. They're known head. No blencoe totally totally and nothing. But i mean were you when you were a teenager. What kind of teenager were you. I was. I was a super goody. Two shoes you grinder. I was. I got into. I mean when i was around. Fourteen is when i started to get serious about swimming so all swimming and then it became all about school and i was very judgmental and he was like out having fun and messing around because i was like very directed. Yeah but i was also socially awkward. Right i was. You know. Not a good looking kid. You were socially you're saying oh you you started this whole thing. I had weird looking glasses bad haircut and you still do so now. I mean that's the thing that i'm fearful of is really bad teenager like going back to the stadium. Khaneh commentary about race. It's like we would bend and break every rule like the story. And i only have one other sibling. An older brothers two years older and he was a little closer to your end. just eat. he didn't break as many rules. But like i was this big this big when i was fifteen and a half years old. Wow that's a lot right energy and so my folks are divorced and so i spent time in both houses but like my mother had her hands full with us. And so. I just think about how i use my creativity and my energy back down and had social connections had a lot of like traditional popularity and i used to fuck around and like and so. How did you slowly emerge out of that. How did i slowly emerge out of that. It was a couple of decisions towards the end of high school in what felt like really last chance opportunities and going back to the commentary on race. Like this world wouldn't have been as keypad patient or kind To some of the things. I did and got away with if i weren't a loud charismatic cap in the basketball team. Kind of like that guy. I got into rowing at the end of highschool barely graduated high school. But i got into rallying because people said like you'd be pretty good at it and there's college opportunity. Maybe but whatever i got into acting in high school Other than that talked about. We talked about that on the first box. That's the like less known that's the. Yeah that's the be plot. Yeah you could have gone this whole acting project. Maybe i'm too big too big but anyway so so so i picked up. I got an acting in my senior high school. I got an rowing and these are cult world on their own and they both grew very quickly and they both were taking me away from that. That idea of overdrive and so then college became a thing and then boston became a thing. And then i was surrounded with a bunch of definitely not straight laced but like gold ribbon rower type kind of preppy kind of hardcore like Jock dudes division college from there. You kind of wish winkled by one hundred percent those guys are out there and so so yeah so that was that was it but you know we still played in the margins and saturday nights came like so when it comes to be dad. Now i don't i wouldn't. I would be freaked out if i had. If he some playbook like to like ruckus so anyway we'll see to be continued. Yeah but you know the universe. God whatever you wanna call it rigs it in certain way that you'll get your your buttons push and you'll get challenged ways that you can't foresee totally mean and it's like it puts right in front of you. Whatever it is that you need to look at within yourself. One hundred percent now. I love that challenge of being a dad. Right it's the hardest thing i've done and i have a friend who's about to become a dad and a couple months it is also. There's no second place but there's not even like there's no podium third best thing i've ever done right so cool right. Yeah and it's the hardest so hard you just give up everything. This year allowed on father's day bank it when his father's day june or something maybe it will. We'll see you gotta get year. We're going to do that. You gotta take it out. You gotta check it out on a positive father's day. Yeah in a positive Letter typewritten letter. To the to the erstwhile fathers to be fathers to francis saint john and north county I tell new das- all the time. It's not like anything. It's not like you know going to grad school. In late nights it's not like being tired or sleeplessness. And it's not like it's not there isn't there isn't a comparison and you also don't love anything like this. It's not like your favorite team home game against the yankees not like the best experience you know so i don't speak this often but i really believe in it so you know when that becomes planned or otherwise and you're going to be a dad like don't try and understand it just live it live it live right through it you know and and keep your eyes wide open you know and keep your phone far away from you and ironically still take a lotta pictures somehow and drink a lot of water i say please and thank you hydration. I actually don't care a lot about about the rules in our house like wow. We're raised luminous drill. The please and thank you thing. My dad did so my kid like this wacky loud mouth but he says please and thank you. I'm finding that's good. Yeah so she'll pick your battles. I would say that's an important one like how think you're going to shape your kid. Good luck probably won't go that way but if there are things worth picking your battles stick by the please and thank you thing that's That's big so and then and then don't don't think you're going to figure it out for the guy who told me with all confidence. He was three or four weeks away from becoming a daddy said yeah. We decided we're not really going to do a stroller. We're just going to like. I don't know. I'll probably just get like a backpack or something like go. Coachella is coming up. So we'll probably intimately still going and i was like and you've done a good job of this. You're talking about like. can you talk about you know. I like keeping your own opinion on the side of the times. There's times when it's not about. Yeah so let me know how that goes cool. Yeah no stroller dope. Like meanwhile i never i've three strollers it's like this idea of like controlling future again so to my dad's out there you will never you'll never get the credit and there's so much more to do and and and being a positive male role model i think is an important thing it's the best and And got your kid to a life with with anti-racist work in it. Because i think that that's the place where we can make the biggest change. The quickest change even though it seems like years and years decades and decades. Like i think those are the changes will see quickest. So beautiful mad. There's only one thing that i would add to that which is in those moments where you're being tested which are going to be more frequent than hugh expect and you feel like i gotta get outta here. 'cause i gotta do that thing in a call that guy. It's just like remember like this passes so quickly you know. I've been doing this for a long time. And when i see the videos of you with lumia mike and it doesn't seem like it was that long and i look at my kids and they're so much older and you forget how quickly it passes. Yeah and just to be able to be present and appreciate what's actually transpiring. It's it's great to say. Put the phone away. But like how present are you like climbing a tree and just forget about what your agenda is and just be because it's not about like i'm going to create the ultimate day and we're gonna go to the amusement park. It's not about that just like just be present with the kids. Yeah and give that child your full attention and that's the most powerful and grace gift you can give. It's really well. It's not the staff not the right in hamper other the right wall color. It's not the crib. But it's just like if you can do those things you could replay in a bucket of sand. It doesn't matter you know so. That's i really connect that so once again ritual. It's been an honor my man. I love you brother you too. Yeah i'm really proud of you for coming to the twin cities during this. Why you gave me. I think it was gonna go on an adventure to that's true. You know i'm really. I'm really happy to be here. And i feel excited about what. I'm gonna learn over the next couple days. Yeah yeah it's an important. It's an important time you know before people start talking about what we're doing with our hours in this time during this time in the sensitivity around it. Just let's agree that it's an important time and if you're a storyteller and if people listen you have influence on a platform which is undeniable. Then you belong here. You need to be so yeah thanks for bringing me out piece. The we did it. Yes sir thanks for listening. Everybody for links and resources related to everything discussed today. Visit the show notes on the episode. Pasierb ritual dot com. 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Episode 164: How to Have More Orgasms with The Hotbed Collective

Scummy Mummies

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Episode 164: How to Have More Orgasms with The Hotbed Collective

"This this coming money's Hello and welcome to the scummy. Mommy's podcast I'm Anne Gibson and I'm Helen thrown and this episode. We have a very special treats in store. We we do. We've got not one but two amazing women Ellie. Yes we've got the hotbed collective which does make you sound. I think you bet like you supported Kalemie bad on tour in nineteen ninety-two but in fact what are you. The hotbed connective. The op-ed collective our collective with women US to being at the helm of it such a big lakes and but in theory they are collective of lots of limit all over the world he wants everyone to have more orgasms uh-huh but not immediately but right now on time. Yes it is time because they are going to make you have really good orgasms not just words but within in hot hips and the book and they put us exact day. I think this is good Kokusai for women but for everybody because everybody needs to know about female pleasure everybody what he needs to know about wanking off and on and toys and clitorises and all those things are very comfortable talk this certain King off I think blanking physical strong onto start and I literally face clitorises the Florida citrus. I mean when you've been clear I say trees bunch of mine just the racism lead wanking. 'cause that's probably I wouldn't necessarily always associated that with women so I still I always think would waking. I always get masturbation boys more women is it well. It isn't this new law that says as you have to say that but it's just interesting with Sushi. Say King go down shaft. And you're in big Mike the Stitches. After I'm telling you kicks off this strong start synonyms now came over the. But let's why don't you introduce yourself individually so we the listeners can get an idea of telling them about one king okay. Well I'm Ana K and leads. That's when I found it a hotbed together and I'm a writer and I work in marketing and I guess that's me mainly biting actually. So so that's that's kind of how how we met and blogging and that whole sphere stuff and instagram crowd and Cherry Healey is our fellow co founder yet. So We'd better Christmas party which it because it was kind of women that no one knew each other and say it was kind of awkward standing around with the cost of champagne that so you might have them stand up there. Didn't she had a problem with lights. And things probably the Lady Avenue it was very yeah it was a bit awkward and then what was interesting is that women started as they had more used to talk about the lack of sex and it was quite an eye opener for me because I looked at these women and it's also got every attractive foxy pretty relationships that got kids are women and then there's this kind of the bag where people are like today what we haven't done it for six excellence. We haven't done it for a year or we just haven't done it at all and soon as that came out that's when it starts to a topic that people could talk about found generally the minute you give people permission people just want to lay. It will on the line in terms of lack of sex so bad sex wanking off wanking masturbation. Russian isn't it. It's a real topic but I think you will miss need to know. It's no good being with somebody where everyone goes or have an amazing sex life have sex three or four times a day to be satisfied all the time. That's probably less congressperson. Nobody's ever said that to me in my whole life arm but yeah it is. I think it's one of those things I mean it's in everyone's stores but this is this element of shame about it and there's lots of layers about that why we feel the way we do about sex but isn't and essentially discount talk about Dan Lewis Coffee Shop Candy or or the school gates it is it is quite a private prevent matter. You have to be really careful because I think you have to be in a trusted space before we kicked off you were talking about what's at groups and I think if he would do in the local school moms yeah. You probably wouldn't say really good. Masturbation session upstairs while watching peaky blinders. I mean he could do you give me some of the ideas remind myself. picky shamed in the same services had come to be able to relate to the peak on Irish and do series one. So I've lectured today like caffeine salivating. We were just talking about the first episode. I wasn't even aware that this existed and obviously mafi now. Now the distance in various adverts film I saw in telling US yeah yeah otherwise the ninety eight days later Sir can chop off his mom. That's a great one is he. Yeah what were the man gets. Trapped in the rocks team does know him. Ryan Falco is wearing divisive. If Times now and you'll leave your main. You're this you're that but the one thing I think we can all unite on his career Maffei and like weirdly on our instagram. Like he just gets he. Reels sales in the lights brand pillars now S. exactly every fourth square million that. Yeah he was he series in the beginning of It was John Travolta. He's another he kind of guilty pleasures like Acetone. Travolta is one of them before he went on scientology. Yeah Orion night fever sore die slacks. And then Kevin Bacon matchdays. I think there's a whole thing around retro eighties. The difficult one. Tom Senic mustachioed. Your Michael J. Fox is another one back to the future. You kind of grew up in that era was probably better lust. John Kusak for me. Yes George Michael. God blessed not interested in the next uh-huh Weekday. Some are inside tighter. Eventually when we were on so when we did the ground before we did a poll. accuster anything we did just occasionally faced off pitcher hot mad and whilst it sounds a little bit like the female equivalent page three. We'll just sometimes I think quite nice for our friends and followers who were just having a quiet shit day instagram for escapism instead of wasting Interiors listen it did it fashion in whatever in travel they would just saying someone Trafton Nice little pop pop up late in the Matrix of who I am sexual pessina gun making. He'll sound quite radical when it was just haven't got back ethically perfectly nice thing to do but it's nice to remind yourself that you can't be sexual I think that's sort of where it all started with that. We started writing about parenting or I think Antares case. She was just writing about what he confidence and it does lead back to this area of sexuality which is so often forgotten and so we started the instagram and in the book came off the fat. Because we're just basically fairly normal women an and like on paper and we saw forgotten that side of ourselves and especially up to having kids because you've got maybe injury or like public flourishes and did not good and the hormones behaves as if they just making a well I just didn't recognize myself itself and I didn't recognize my relationship anymore and I just thought really genuinely thought I will never have sex again. I do want to want to want. I'm just fine. I'm not not find very in a state of kind of crisis and that's your partner coach. All He loved it he he kind of He. You would just pick these really bad moments Lau and I think the communication really breakdown. Because he'd sort of come over and like kiss me when I was like that. Can't you see all of those like kind. The crying baby like e hitting may jobs really then. I realized there's literally never equipment because I'm always completely exhausted. My to do list is really long and I feel shit and I just feel like every initiating it myself I started to look into like well. Why is that and I realized that these things about doc pelvic floor about hormones? I think I was breastfeeding at the time. And that really kills Beata sleep deprivation completely. Kills your sex drive completely. And that's one of the things we always say to people et message. Ask The guy like ident- WanNa anymore or do but my partner doesn't how's your sleep deprivation is really really big deal when it comes to wanting to live that you feel it. It's another thing because we all have very busy lives in economy. If you've got kids or not if you're working and you're trying to keep fit wherever healthy dyer and have good social life and have a nice house and climb the ladder and be creative. Doing these other things. Sex just becomes another thing thing that you have to kind of do the dog. Yes kind of another thing. Yeah term relationship uh-huh kind of learned that that desire is no longer so bubbling away inside unless you're very lucky actually and there are people who have that but you you kind. I'm going to have to look at it. I think I think that's quite a relief to kind of realize that most people here in long term relationships are having to work two or parking it for in bed all or just sticking out today. This is not true because I think so much of the TV programs. That shows sexist big very spontaneous and very very sensitive and I was watching the episode. Where they I get on together? Swamp peaky monitors the two central characters. Cutting the names now but I was. I was watching that and sandwiches. The sexy on. TV is very romanticized It's really kind of like another one. That is clear table stakes success. Because she's on top and she's kind of thing gesturing if somebody moving down strike someone else. Nike stroking Donna Cuban. The women probably had a baby recently. That particular position is kind of a little bit out of the question in terms of how deep someone Martin Penetrating U. or even just how athletic you are getting on top of somebody else and then start pumping up. There was another one I saw the sex up against against the war is another popular failed on the counter. Oh yes certificate in the kitchen to someone spontaneously and these couples have been together for a long time time. I'm always aware of the fact that when you're in a couple of your from watching a lot of sex on TV and this kind of awkward moment where you're kind of like it's always like you're watching sex with your dad does something 'cause you're kind of like let sex renowned what she ms Cocco having really hope sex and that's usually the Apart we'll go out and incentive having sex they'll be like well go get the Monster Munch you'll get those DEVITO's that you save should. Yeah but it's all Quebec's is a reminder that you're not having the condescends the TV and that's that's okay. Yes yeah especially I think going back to when you like minutes the first time you've had sex after you've had a baby be nice for me. That was a big thing that we rate like six months and then like we did. It was yeah he was born in June. And I think we did it on New Year's Eve uh-huh because it is not romantic it's wind had a PR to me. And all of that and been stitched up obviously right but not point but I was like it's still not rights of we and his life is like when you have to get out of the car and guide them into back into apartments. Mace bread bits bits slightly slowly. Careful night passed away isn't it is and I tell you if you if you're in an NC Tigray will have friends that have babies it's like such a watershed and maybe you can talk about sex with them. Because I remember I was in a entity. Great with this were lovely indiscreet gossip American and might literally the first when we met with the baby she was. It's like so who's had sex yet and I was like flow of that she'd asked but I was actually did WanNa talk about online nature. They say not my priority at the moment but for her it was. It's like no I need to like that. Show the show back on the ride and it was such a great job and now when we did hotbed. We're kind of like always having these chats with people which is nice 'cause I think people sometimes just want to not always be like. Oh Yeah it's brilliant and with me from the standard is but just sometimes like to say it's a bad thing or it's just a bit awkward quid. Like if you were filming the average couple having sex they might be just upset with sleepy spinning action. It's not often to see this very outrageous stuff whereas as your flights everyone's nudity that yet lisa like I. I think that the stock so hot an old dressing gown O or any of that stuff but the thing is we were kind of aware of the federal law. The advice in this area Korea tends to be quite cliche aid. Always like what did he go on a date night. You know gone put on some special or what out a little bit. Famous famous line is and then go for a lovely meal and that doesn't really well. Why don't you guys have the same in public place? quit for the wedding. The lady that Shit stops and your back pain and you're close passed out and then you feel guilty the next day. Yeah Yeah so we just WanNa go and have a film but don't put pressure on yourself so you've got to have romance we. It's funny because I was called it. BROMANCE 'cause we can't say sex some romance tonight six It's bad isn't it kids summer because we always did that. He was always the running joke because we we struggled a bit to conceive. You see so I used to say rather than say what struggled is a is A. That's an understatement. But in the beginning days of trying mind to conceive I would say it's time for romance because doing ovulation can't things and rather than say a Bring Myself said we have to go and have sex X now. Because if you're trying to have a baby too unspecific days you get an smiley face on your population thing and you have to go. So we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA surveillance and and it's just a euphemism so we still about it as we said we didn't have that much very events and actually we talked about the other side quite a young baby at home James. Six months feels good to me. Because I think that's sometimes it can take much longer than that. I think. Yeah I wouldn't I wouldn't presume to tell anybody what the the another forty five years swat since it out within three months. I think she and I was quite taken aback. So I was the next summer to feel quite Hundi especially sometimes with breastfeeding. It can make them feel Brady honing like act on it now but I locked chapel. We have kids we hear about like. Oh kids walk in on you having sex my mic. Nice people having sex so it's not raining this year but we are very often. I mean you mentioned socks folks in that. That's so funny because basically it does actually help you have an orgasm if you if you're a pioneer in the house man. Enough training soaks up there was just an exemption sexing. Nothing stops in bad listeners. Like do there are so kate famous Chili peppers where they did all men who had socks on that penises quite interesting. They'll cut a big tennis. Psalms it was a picture of all of them and I think everyone was trying to judge roughly long hours of lecturing hours. Yeah so so. You're getting getting into like female pleasure. Obviously it's difficult even for you to say thanks and the way we own kind of thing hang and so where do you think this is coming from. I mean obviously there's a whole history of repression and Patriarchy and things like that but it feels like from the get go goals talk to about Fema pleasure and even when you talking getting Sich sex education the clitoris is never mentioned and all those things and do you think that's changing changing now. It's changing but we talked quite low by arriving sex education and also ten years older than leases mine was really quite bad and I think that's still is quite an onus on on contraception. Say for me it was nice. I mean all we were Tal- with that dismiss how you had a baby so sex sex was having had a baby and for girls going to go school. The main message was I think we were given a kind of the nod. Evan taught how to put a condom on Tokyo the interceptions so he was Kinda thoughtless and there was nine mentioned. Celine image of a woman orgasmic. Those the stock came out of a guy and it made you pregnant ordinance. Yes they have to be very scared of that system filing up we love very faithful mythology around. If you sound a toilet see all aw. I thought that if he went swimming swimming voice at Crystal Palace Very Poor Phil. They said the boy. If Boys Jack late in the Paul you would get pregnant. Because he's not what's swimming. They could swim up into your pants and interestingly costume all kinds of Wade so things is definitely improved. Some then it's not true in the swimming pool. That's how I can see Detroit conceive that way but I think the problem is now. It's kind of shifted. I think I think there's still isn't much education around pleasure. There's probably more around kind of hopefully around consent in those kind of things but I stood. I think a lot of women feel that they can ask for what they want is. It's cassettes not just about these. These bits and missus and this does that. It's also kind of like if you don't enjoy that particular thing then you don't have to do it or do enjoy this particular thing. You could ask somebody to do that more. So we talk about penetration Asian and that being one of the key things and I didn't really know all the boys that we hung out with faith all things kinda lingers were absolutely protests made. That would be like disgusting they. Didn't you know whereas the expectation was that you gave them blow jobs. Yes that was always kind of like Plato's were completely normal and if he wants nice to be popular. You expected to do that but there were no boys. I'm very good at cutting ghosts and look pretty cool. Yeah so we got a hope it in the where we talk doc. `Bout there's an equation between people be really cool and being really good lingus because it's one of those things where actually men should step up and claim their status. I just tonight what we already because that is such an easy way for women to Orgasm and for a young woman discovering sexuality. She's unlikely to have an old gas giving some thirteen year old boy a blowjob varying lightly like program possible. Yeah so I think there is still quite O'Shea around it's getting better and we're on a mission to country out it's kind of been kind of Noah's interested to talk about it because it's not about making babies and it's not really about selling component. Whatever like if I did I just sometimes think it's not just the school's job to educate on these matters it should also be like the pool we the film's we watch? You know like everything like how your parents best reacts when they see talking yourself like shouldn't be a kind of do that but parents will say and it's awkward. Oh quit but at the same time like. I think it's okay to be like that's fine. It's private it's just private day. do it in waitress. Yeah Yeah no don't get released. After I mean Napa know not near the cupcakes. Yeah I think you're so right and especially. I'm glad you brought the hunting because I think we've had. We had an episode back here to go with this amazing woman called Peggy Ornstein and she did a whole book on her young girls and sex and she said the porn has had such as a negative impact on what is expected of goals to men like. Yeah a night. Well out of this thing the porn experiment where she watched porn every day to ooh and she equal weight for weight every day for weight. Which I'm sure it's perfectly normal for people that it was not unusual but that was so so is there any any highlights? I haven't watched pointed like twenty years. So Lewis moved on. How awesome you pay for it now and you can always an women have extra holes? Nit everyone actual consensus on your in. Beverly everybody stops this cradle to grave. It's not funny said never only that one time yeah. It's funny because that was it. Yeah I mean it was a revelation to me even just is two women talking about what Gene Pool and I think is quite controversial because we have educated thing. It's called again it's disgusting and Shameful Mission Day But Yeah I did watch it but I mean what was interesting is that it's it's all men while maybe I didn't have to search for the right thing so we standard porn site and in penetrating things penetrating blocks. I've sues tables people offices and it's it's just there's no real meal it sets up. Maybe if you're young boy watching this on a teenage boy watching your expectation would be that you walk into a vein you take your trousers off. Yeah the woman immediately orgasms. I mean if you Tom Selleck unmanaged doc. Waters Broken. John Wong effort on on the man's Paul nine little tweak of a nipple air comedy be asked to do anything else and then he goes straight into penetration. Roy Usually vaginally and Ainley and facially. So it's basically all the multiple people is talking to. Everyone is ten them right now. Everyone has their research the impact you become very desensitized and did describe it so saying after awhile you you see people in the parks. I'd see other dads in the park. Refunds hanging out of school and I would immediately so to see see the Matignon. You saved them. humping things imagining what they bombed us like. When they're humping this really one track mind because I think we're Lee younger you might have had a bit of a dirty mag ever? We had to judge Jackie Collins. Bill that was passed around had low. Thirty beds underlined bash. She attorney go with a boy. It was still quite mysterious in terms of what was going on. Yeah it's now. This is kind of expectation. It must be really hard I think hauled site is difficult for young people. Now that they've I've seen so much sex before they come to the actual act itself and there's a lease expectations and and unfortunately lots of as around women orgasm and I it. Was this pressure on women night. When I was in my twenties and the incident was coming up and was is it should be? I think there was a pressure that this new pressure managed as well because because no old dudes a terrible dudes right and some of them really want you to have a good time but then the perception is an issue absolutely screaming your head of practice if you being murdered and then all the time and you're not having a good time and also that. Oh ooh women like the the the right to get. Some women is completely uphill. The graph guys often often often did he get louder and louder until you cancel. Yes it is thirty how it was. I mean it can be down and you can be not only bit bolder this. Let's try that and that's due this. Yeah taste and see see we get like a man contacting us going to any porn work. Girls come in the army or something like this. Is Brian Rini. What would nine? Yeah I feel like I love that right. That's going on remember. Say if they say eating because that kind of a great like easy to stink this with conspiracy but actually it's just because no one can be asked to talk about it really because it's not apparently that important actually men will have maybe do and actually like it doesn't have to take that long and that's what we discovered in the research is. We did a big Paul found out that really women can all Gotham in four minutes. It's not exactly a big outlay of time so minutes make leisure. Don't ever give 'em a the Guinness World. I have known this fan and I just saw that little on the cucumber right. Now give it a go with the minute ever done. It is somebody gave me. Somebody had a sex toy with recently was the magic wand. I think it was called a baby's on holding an apple from the honey badger. Very it's plugged into the main. I want fucking bulldozing. It all has is like a dial which you increase the Assam. And how many minutes are we'll go home and tallying tally later. Something very quick wasn't and also unlike other things that rabbits and the ones ago walked blop. Aw elbowed movement this one is put it online and I'm away the other woman Mugende versions. I'm very keen on festival. We wanted to bring me some sex toys but actually piazza and send them to us anymore because read about yeah so we need to write to them okay. The new jam that's coming out of and he's not that game but basically sock your clitoris right. And they are tiny almost as much time on this thing with the kind of like a little hole in the top. It kind of goes like this one hind quite painful. So I sort of today I I think that what is that says. Hey this is. The maximum is that that will basically like ninety four eastbound with wise. I shouldn't yeah on the facts picture from faddem things. Astronauts CEO has. We've seen you know the first thing we were said and they can send three because May Cherry Anneke. You'll need to review APP. Yep It was very phonetic in. Its didn't say what did he just say with socks Clinton's basically came up with these ridiculous central types you to the thousands of the highest mountain. Brings you back home. We just tell us what it is and A penguin penguin satisfying and like I tried Hi de Penguins. But maybe I do because it was amazing and basically penguin. Yeah like this one Beijing you get access to White Fin- smoking amongst the bad boy. Can I say but one of them's wearing like a little bowtie. Honestly Hilary Hahn. I don't know where the designers like getting their ideas from them but they're going to be all tick violent but he's getting better and that's the the things I think. In the old days it would be very much penises into sexual once in so I mean now they must be defunct now thinking that there's also plastic to come in line then cap can a bit dodgy with alone. Anorak is that you know he's got in and and the dude is very frightening. 'cause they were very large and vainly frightening and scary and I think now. Finally people who've caught onto the fact that maybe that's not what women fantasize about like maybe she something designed abuse penguins. Bunny rabbits everything that look. This is something that citizens animal imagine. Imagine penetrating again yes. Men Moog Raga Putin Putin uh-huh Kennedy we worked with a lot like she's a properly sex expert and clinical psych sexologist. Circus that zoologists. She's she's but she said if she tokes qualified. That and I think the idea that we will talk to just believe that sex. Six eight qu'ils man pitching penis into vagina whereas actually if you think about sex it doesn't have to be that limiting. Intangible you're doing a women's magazines have a lot opt to account for but one thing I did pick up reading magazines so clearing up worth how many women can Gotham from punish success and actually eight women Kahn. Which is an amazing statistic and one that people don't know about ace into women? Need something to do with that country guiding Tom in order to Kafue Penguin or opponent and kind of English eight plus the new one coming out spree in your book. You've got great. Listen recommendations but you talk about how your partner can get involved remotely so if you're the white even Bacon while you're you're in and you're like you can text up a Guy Ooh GonNa property now. We talked a Away or about the future thinking about the future of what's GonNa Happen. Mistakes towards one of them is seeing my things toys. Be Otherwise. Obviously having sex with appetizers house. So that's a whole nother area which will be developed to Joseph sex dolls. They have kind of the Dole. Not much you wanted to example. Oh have is it Kilian Murphy Cillian Murphy said he had Kilian Murphy and take on how you say in in the future that we could be having virtual sex with an Avatar. Why interesting and tons of ethics is that being unfaithful? What about four killings? He's he's not agreed to have sex with the ball out. Every fancy that this review south on Gibson Gibson she did a joke about spicing up your sex life by wearing a very powerful MOSK. Yes but that was actually based in did joke about the CORREO letter that was in the guardian of young woman. Saying that she was in this relationship with this bloke and it was a series letter a and he liked her to wear a Marsk of any. I think it said something night either. Many probably from girls aloud like she he's like is this normal. Is it just things should go along with it. And that is a weird question. Isn't it because he's not fun on some. Some people are turned on by fate or weighing. Or you know This we go holding range of if you Google and Amazon I'm not participating cheek sex too but some of our events you can get mosques just about everyone's everyone's liberty miles talked about our show. Now they WANNA forgotten. Do you know Dave Grohl these Soviet yeah. I think he's amazing. We used to simulate sex our old show as Jeff Goldblum Mary Berry rich people whenever bladed that. EJ Jacking after pictures on instagram. And every time I say it out to be cheap so sex sex tips you could spend a lot of money on a very expensive hotel or Lino. Getting beautiful agent provocateur underwear. All your part is puts on the day foam us and you uh on the Mary area of the underwear. That's the other thing because I've known many me like with US tonight as the wrapping paper WPRO president on that really care about the sea. We should probably do our next survey. I think it'd be interesting to talk to men because I'm interested in that but I think there's a real distinction between between the underwear that men like and the unwed women like earlier did our relationship with porn. He he bought me. If you've reported very small under lead I'm gesturing. A very small adults is very small. LASAGNA street older. Everyone had strings. And it's a black straight with red ribbon Side yes the kind of thing that if cutting nine war she probably just about get away with it but me definitely not I'm packing it. You don't see spent. Money is a very very small comfortable piece of underwear and it's so funny that that's what he and had four Diamante owns the firm all wrong. Well see even unbelieving. That's his that's what he finds sexy six minutes often the cliches kind of the vet all the kind of body stockings lace and that kind of thing whereas I think you're a bit more attracted to some more subtle like Tanya negative competence. I think actually from the guys have contacted us after. They just want their partners to feel good about themselves and that is the problem is the after having kids. It's quite often women. Just say it's been so many knocks to their confidence. They've lost their identity. Nate sometimes changed shape or whatever and then not wearing the clothes that needs to wear. They just don't feel good about themselves and they can't bring much to the bedroom and they can't you actually again. It's difficult to if you're feeling very but he knows my Lop Studies around that go to you. And that's not helped by porn and it's not helped by like seeing particular type of visa and I think the guy that just like they were saying to us when we did our savvy. They were like la she said it was. She just doesn't feed and that was the problem. So I reckon if the fuel feeling good in your ah defense copy for you. If you WANNA rock says like pay c-section pounds. I did and still have a hole in your eminem below. Because you'll nothing I'm interested on on psycho dot com used to hold the whole hair has saying because that's a real generational things generation and Genitalia. China had retooled because it's funny to the Titian and she was shocked because she was like. I said I wanted to have my bikini done. And she was like okay and I said I've only had it done a few times. They usually do at home. And she's like but you do the whole home. I spoke to you mean. I said that just as bits that are on the side cyber fan and she was like you do the whole thing. Debbie I've never done how saying like I have one friend. He did it when she got married and she really honeymoon issues. Frantic nothing nothing learn you know she. The revised Yorkshireman Doc Sherman to constantly be completely devoid of hair and men as well and when you look at the shape of if you'd have to. I think most detainees benefits from above hair. But so personal and I kind of thing with those things that doesn't like what's normal. He finds someone that likes you wearing ebony pipe and malls then you like it or not. Listen it's fine if you not having new Defensive Guy Field Okay. Yeah we touch mental about. She's nice thing how things come in and out collection and my friend said after Shannon Brazilian I rank felt like she was feeding a horse. The executive The second recently when I had Gresson Jason when I gave birth it was very painful and it was very quick but nevertheless I still several times that I already have not had time to do so I was kind of roaring warring with pain but it was still kind of conscious of the fact that was hairier than I possibly would have liked event and then I spoke to somebody else saying that's the thing now that most women would do is before their GDP. They usually get that taken care of. Send the kind of book in their beautician. Before the Guy I don't if you do badly so let's see sections that you'd still you. It's kind of. It's funny because I thought it was how women are programs even in that moment of complete shame. Bang and feeling really sort of like you're beyond in another the world you're still thinking so sorry. Yeah Chazal now chair the doctor Roussin sign me up. How many many times should be have the rank you know in the week? I mean if you go tips for this recommendations five I mean missile Media Day. Dante now is playing a good too. I believe it was never any pressure to do something that number times but if you and how anxious we are busy overloaded. It's definitely not a doing it every day or three or four times a week. Or that's that's not bad thing. Yeah we have never talked about times frequency or anything like that because I think people get really obsessed with I'm not doing like non exempts enough whatever and actually actually let's say where but like even just masturbating as radical in office on Women's. Get the heads around so the idea that they will have quite a but I guess what we're trying to say is uses pop yourself care so don't think you have to spend money on nuclear makeup. Spa Break whoever like this of health benefits to having an orgasm dailies what love and increase continents better at heart health that his skin decreased like like basically people that have great Asan's whether they be lacking ones or permanent ones genuinely present as younger and healthier people. Don't really yep an all all students Kilian Murphy Secrets. But he's not it again and it was saying it's just also hugh if you do the one king thing as a woman which I shouldn't sound Cabrini but often as it's then better for your sex life because you know you're in bordenave who has in the click easier gets so if you're leaving it for your six monthly date night with your other half you put in a lot of pressure on your behalf to get down whereas if you'll sort of helping your staff to help this wall mounted you've got to keep it. Ticking over that's an interesting keeping heating on this is the best. This is the bedroom trying to absolutely theo radio assuming that she's the best. How thought if I've ever had with keough central heating on for narrow day even through the summer because then it means that you'll find this metaphor you're talking about? This is an interesting. That's okay it can be applied in my best friend. I've known since since I was eleven we never talked about masturbating tour and then I remember one day and we put this in the book. One day she. I think much much later on. I was like well masturbating on that time so we used to talk about sex with boys was. We'd smoked all this other stuff. We never talked about that calls. You know and I guess my best friend I never never have talked about it and it was because it was so full of shame. Yeah admit that and you will want to eat any promise. Sex He's GONNA. Do you get aroused among show. Do you get rid of us. Eighteen Times of his pick on. You know what turns you off. Yeah skiers bure's media rousing all day and and you like old. I'm really weird like anything else. You know let's women especially the Home Association nation thing. I mean all women masturbate but we just don't talk about it you know yes that we couldn't read magazine. UNC So publicizing lightest role. Oh and saying how she meeting relaxed Everyday masturbating frantically trader. A free. No no thank you calling for the day now yeah and and to same sex couples get in touch with you because we're all heterosexual but let's relationships and gay relationships. The different playing field because yeah and you will gas gap that we took him out so like straight women have view orgasms than anybody else this size out a man but straight man and gay men have lot fide by bisexual men void by Lesbians Bisexual. Women so we don't come bisexual women and say to me. That was like if I was thinking scientific about it which I never normally am but like it's about how women are interested with men they can say. Well we have these men basis nicer interacting with them Matt. Doing all right now doing K.. So it's kind of like right. How do you have you get this communication going? It's funny up enough. Go to guy friends. He just say that better asking for what they won the dates of household timid something. What would you mind if you put you have been bill to the left? Though there's none of that is just like John Serving multiple of that begin to whine shorts. The one show on gambling Amazon for Kelly Murphy Masks Asocial. We'll do exist match shop at Toyota. We believe that American veterans have the strongest Prudential's was on earth. Especially when you consider that they spend years gaining valuable experience by putting their lives on the line to protect the country they love and the people that live here but that doesn't always mean finding a career path is easy. That's why Toyota has partnered with hiring our heroes to help over one hundred fifty thousand veterans and military spouses houses connect with employment opportunities. We are Toyota. USA Let's let's get we anymore. Not practical tips. Now come thinking night maybe for someone who has recently had a baby. And you're gonNA need tips for that first time sex jam it's glory. It's literally the most boring thing ever but public floor really does need work. And we've got tactical pelvic floor bare with US initially bear with us because we know it. So don't it is really important because when it gets the way the baby on pelvic floor muscle which basically goes from your like pubic claim to the kind kind of like regular is essentially and it's holding the bladder the anus everything. We'll be sexy things and the baby is weighing nine down on it and so by the end where the John Birch dog like. It's fucked basically and you need to get back into into shape in order sex not to be painful ruin. Who said it's quite good not to yourself is quite useful so doing the key goal exercises portion? And it's really boring but it does make sex besser and orgasms sounds easier as I found out but it depends how you will but I basically by doing like lots of really good pelvic floor. I was like actually say. He's got a she mentioned. Now the minute you save on starts then that's a bill to into the best always weird. That's when you should do them so just clench really trying to ten times slowed false. It'd be a whole chapter as you have to do it but unless you I mean I I have not online and I can tell say but I think if you could if I could in theory build it into showering or brushing. Teeth just becomes the that you'll know having to think about because unfortunately we've got very overloaded. Diaries and it's like that pelvic floor is probably again. And it's really bring that up if you will I'll say then squeezes while you are having sex or if someone's going down on your finger in your using sex for that can really help so they do have a sexy side. It's like Matrix teach again like ooh. That's can be fun. It's true it can really help depending on how you bill. So that's one thing and Lou this release for we love tape because I sometimes think gets things going it gets the party started. It really does if things are kind of quick wrinkles. y'All fake moments no payments you stop. That's exactly gave to that. So there's not like real starter base so I would say take feel pressured the need I need to accept that there is a having babies. It's not just Aussie the physical totally takes on you. But you've got a if you're breastfeeding whatever feeding your day. You've got this little person us an on you pretty much twenty four seven and we've got cats as well at home and neither basically they have kids and cats baby and kids cats cats. There's a lot of kind of thing sitting on you all day as car. Cats aren't very kids so we put the kids to bed and our cats is so so needy his cats do need. I mean independent but they'd love to send sinister creatures minute literally sit down two of them on your lap. I I love my cats and Phantom for eleven years and they're getting really sad and old now but I literally physically pushed off onto the floor and so if pulled would make an advance on me I think I would be similar in that. I need to nobody touching. You won't Pussy here have this. Yeah thank pressure on yourself that you need to seventy amazing because of that pressure by snap back into shape deep you get your sex life back on track is it can take quite a long time and you know that's fine up still nine months in and we haven't done it and that's that's probably quite normal. I would say absolutely. Yeah what about. Somebody's maybe further on down the line. So you've had the babies who saw back on track but for whatever reason you know having sex maybe everything general yes I am too. They're all things on all the. Do you know like hand laundry out try it. What if you don't if you just think fail? Oh sexy within yourself have rob shock. If like sex droughts. That's another thing that people come to us quite often about and because they've just left it so long it becomes then and just to quit. It's like if someone says about smelling and no one could admit it and if you just set festival than it would be fine but you too long and it gets really awkward and that happens a lot you space. In our midst mitigate handed an Irish we will now preemptive will say on the way to show just one you had lentils in the increasingly fecund Diet. This is more of a problem de genuine. Yes the negative outside. You'll do dry January say like with couples that haven't had sex for a long time. Sometimes they just need basically grab each other and have quite shit and do you just just grandma to though. Do you have the conversation tonight conversation but quite often what we find is the recon same literally just right. I've had enough. I'm just GONNA go over Kacem Ohio just going to do it and we're GONNA get it over with because it's like the elephant in the room that needs to be confronted. We just need to do it. And it doesn't matter favored needs to be stopped too often. Uh supposed to anyway and then it gets much easier after that you're like right done tattle suspects it doesn't have to be amazing. Ours is rubbish is exactly say one of the things that it works for a friend of mine had a roast Sunday nights Sunday lunch. That's another sex thing though very stingy. I'm John Yeah so lunch partner half united losses of wine and as soon as you have come from nine. DVD on with the kids go upstairs and give yourself ten minutes and then it's done Tom Exactly. It doesn't take long doesn't and I think that's the other thing like we're not sex. I and we never say we are. We haven't studied sex is if he can really. I think you did that. Whole what is that? We can hallway train. I'll start juiciest unbeknown university. The sound like sex tips just didn't really speak to us because they will about like who where push up Bras. You can give your manton wagon all of this stuff which is about good but I was. It's Kinda like these tips. Do not speak to me. And they never really have done and always delivered by someone he like. Looks like but also David's about pleasing using them while pleasing yourself about dressing up in sexy underwear will putting high heels all know and I think people are often quite disappointed. You believe he meet someone and they're like. What are you working? Bill Clinton Gaza and they start rubbing their thighs get and then you then you start thinking about the topic floor. Oh God deeply unsexy Eh. But I think a lot of this is really quite boring and it's about getting the basics right and also not trying to be like I'm going to have sex dungeon or sex pontius now just behind it. And that's what a basic human need and want you feel like you have to have to be performed. Live to be some kind on a show when it can be just have anything to do nothing. Nice enhanced. Cuddle Yeah Magic. It'll just pass. I why are you because I feel like I've been out of the workplace for a couple of years and then so recently job and I just noticed how much everyone's on the feigns titans now like you know used to be this grandma but you may not. People Never easterbrook ground with headphones on watching film while they were killing the train platforms as it conjunction and we thought it was crazy. Like you've been watching film anymore train train but this is the majority of the people in the rush hour at doing missed. This is getting on the subway. Like everybody was looking at their fact. He's halfway and I was like. Wow this weird going on cultures so different of course go out in the UK. We just really backwards. They were doing this Japanese sky. I feel like that is a bit of a tendency wherever so moving away from ninety talks. Fight back to Texas like comedies texting while the fact she's takes out about text back in about choosing emojis other shit but at range of a half. Somebody's actually call. You want to speak the intimate and it takes effort and it's a bit cut if you might have a shower afterwards and you're not going to be able to just press an image and get it done like it's not it's not quick and easy and we kind of moving towards this kind of like little just in our little bubbles of pasting things and Timmy. Typing having way and watching films and adult content and then sex kind of ends up absorb that we do is engage with anymore. That's quite painful Fuca absoulutely this needle. Goss like guys watched porn is is young. I think that that is not our especially with the driver is a health and safety. You got the headphones on. And he's holding off his. You know screen. I don't know I think in a way. It's very healthy. If he's a remind ourselves that just to be with another person and that's not not not necessarily a bad thing. It's is a good thing we need to do. More of that will support that but it does enough to spend any money. You'RE NOT GONNA you're not going to be online shopping as sauce with those ten minutes Shank with your partner. Nice time when you're not buying stuff buying allow Plug them talk to this. Oh there we go. I think we've completed sex guys announce it done it so your book as cold more orgasms please. Female pleasure matters. It's out now they. They went all good bookshops. My favorite question. Your Book Kazan. Basically and I WANNA be dead then you can listen to expert on an an version as well whatnot. Yes excellent excellent. Set out a sexy voice autism because I really funny content on Instagram by a low of in the military needs to check whether this is a normal thing author too high. I was like a seventy year old guy doing asleep and obviously against the American flag. Yes on the Saint. John's after I do worry about I think maybe those of the men that might be listening to it was their finding various missiles into flurries. That's be at war. I see this and this is why I wanted to Hash Techs. I was a my fashion accounting Alameda. Size I team and I was like modeling Bra announcement has shed boobs. Whole swathe of new Lewis? He's like Oh is that what they're putting into the take a look picking people that Kublai Derek Brick Steve. Hello and then you like to get. It's GonNa take you guys have any like block shall we. Shall we finish up as always with some scummy. Remember Confessions we should now. Who wants to go first while I am class scummy mummy and so I'm not really prioritizing tidy in the house that's not really my mummy story but I'm sort of like reclaiming that slot in itself from I would definitely rather have an orgasm tied in house? That's the tough call for me by the sound thinking issues as you got fifteen minutes before school. Run to do well how much it is. The spicer account around football toys a tough one thing about mental health feeling and domestic. Joel's it's definitely. Yes if they judge Mortis Avenue. He hasn't been at the same time. I will not sny feel more able to not think about the United States of the House. When it's Tony so I think Nice Scott on me? Confessions we did a lovely place called shish women still and aside hit Hampsten. Yes and Pasta and let's go shoot Schwab. Walk through at the moment of sex shops because you get your There's a lot of sections. Yes because it's like two men around. The basket is the party size through little curtain return and all kinds of sex toys R. on southern software rating amazing and they hosted are much with the second though they were happy with sales so they gave me a little Freebie and it was a single Tanga. Ashby had a bad not basically. It's a sex toy cement and I mean literally they gave us the sample of like watching TV and you. You can basically slinger Abo deck on Jesus as a Zero F hand job. It's basically like a slimy Pechanga etame. I'm really selling it on I but it's cheap. It's like ten always south really well. It's a proposal up. She gave me one for free and I have to say from San Angles the kindergarten. It sounds amazing so my son found it and was like Sammy so I was like. Oh it's Oh it's like a Kendrick right but the GROWNUPS can. I have some known ECON wine and I had say spicy spicy chocolate. Because that's the one thing went best defense. It came up so often I feel like that's dumb though done exactly. He'll never has begun so mice. gummy confession is that night we waiting for. You voiced Komo's certain house out in people's like here's coming tonight and also he's hit that they're experts. What's what did you say it? They took back their gardens. Had Anti gun leg and then ladies gardens and things people put in the garden and I still didn't get it. Yes the topless days but what you're talking He's he's a bright man subscribing he can do like getting pregnant. Helen I think Oh yes yes so recent a hey my husband and I were sitting in our bedroom and our son ran in. He's in the new got the toilet and he obviously got the the court of the toilet don't appear and he came in and sat on the bed with his bed and left like a little brown doughnuts in the fraction of his mom washed it and that was just an with baby footprint so that should be the bum print that could be a new phenomenon on a date with data. We had one of my favorite favorite confessions ever. From one of our shows was this woman had gone to John Lewis. I'm better than to sell her. The mockup of the baby the baby plaster Paris May vaping because she just hang on a second child who started. Just today's Donna. Three there with my kids and I'm thinking I mean I could probably do it at their fifth birthday right. We'll ask me. What are you GonNa do that anyway? 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Iron Man 3 - Caravan Of Garbage

The Weekly Planet

26:24 min | 3 weeks ago

Iron Man 3 - Caravan Of Garbage

"This podcast is part of the planet. Cussing network visit planet broadcasting dot com. Promo podcast from our great night's welcome back to caravan of garbage. The show where we go. This is the last man movie for now. Oh we said that every episode. Don't we we always say this. Is the last man movie now. Yeah that's right. i'll leave a lucky could because maybe you happy. It's the last man movie opinions divided on this movie. I hadn't seen it since twenty thirteen when it came out and did not like it very much. But how did you feel going back to it. I think my opinion is softened on a bit i. It's fair for the time. For the reasons raisins will almost certainly get into almost. Certainly what if we thought. But i i appreciate what it was going for now more. Are there plenty of elements to enjoy a like the director. Shane black. he's teaming up with a again. Kiss kiss bang bang. You remember that movie. I remember that movie eight movie name another movie really. Put me on the spot. All i'm mansaray. That's yeah that's actually. That's good that you have not because that's what we talk about retaining and i'm like that's a good choice. Shane blacks the the the lethal weapon. Guiding they will like he's definitely going to do a predator movie at some point we should. We should get him in for nine. Move before you know that that shoots him to find stardom awaken. We can't afford him anymore. It's after the predator. Look i wanna come back to the predator. But let's stay focused on i and man three. That's the movie which three. so yes. So jon favreau is out as director as director. But he said he used to go to have fun because you you could do silly happy stuff in this in this movie which i agree. We'll happy in. These movies is good. Joe that character but i mean the character but also the very concept office being movies place. Happy movie so the official reason is because he turned down this movie to direct to the magic kingdom which was that well essentially It's described as the museum but disneyland. Is that based on it. That's like the parts of the caribbean movies by sunrise that the magic kingdom is also s. So imagine like yeah. Everybody comes to life jek. Burs like ooh. What are you doing in the epcot center on fabric like frankly. What's anybody doing. The call us as the epcot center right question. Is it even a disney. I don't know. But i do wonder whether because of his experience on ironman too and they kind of push back on a lot of his ideas and it kinda got motion into this kind of odd duck of a movie. Yeah that's probably a lot of stuff is all ducks race. It's a new thing that i'm doing. I think i'm gonna stick with it. Okay happy with it. Yeah that's a real odd duck of choice. What a real doctor on monday. I do like the. I just tried to think of the most. Go fair enough. You could have said forrest gump. Real duck of a movie. it is. Yeah so it starts in the nineteen ninety nine. I joy pulp fiction. Happy also. Enjoy pulp fiction k. Bat like five years prior to him having still desperately clinging on. I love that. Yeah shout out to l. boys over at awful sixty five. We didn't send cabbie. Yeah which he mentioned in the first time man. I met and we see that. It's not much really isn't like that idea that he's talking about in the narration. As he's talking to bruce banner it turns out that you know we create our damon's and he does that and the also creates other people's damon's but you know that is that is the cat and he probably owns a liquor companies. Well you're probably a subsidiary of something. Do you think he owns the crusty demons. You almost certainly as the crusty dame terrific. But what i also love at. I have questions about is. They've got stock repulsive technology man box flinging themselves just let's shoot out of the stadium but he's so main he's he's he's off and we don't see this side of that automated lighter on in in this movie where. He has like a heart to heart with rebecca holes character. And he. he's like you've got to change because the person on with pepe she's gonna conscience and you you some sort of google and it's like you are a goal like three years ago you were you the worse person you let kilian murphy on the roof. And now he's back. He's dragon man and the arms dealing also zilly too. Yeah i'll be like on the road. What about older killian. If you made a dragon man you should stop and think so. yeah I what i like about aldrich. Killian is he is. He is the the reverse tiny stock that i think justin hammer's should have been in. I meant to there because he is You know he's he's he's brilliant and charismatic and cetera. And he's watts on men would have become if he hadn't become ironman. Yes sure that's a fair point So this is very loosely based off extremists or extremities the sometimes known man limited series yet the upon which the original the movie on man's suit is based the nevada. Work exactly very heavily influenced the the mcu on man style. Two beautiful suit. Isn't it a beautiful comic. It looks great but look. I didn't really want to ask you about that. I wanted to ask about. How do you feel about his bid connecting to assad-burns burns like some kind of smash mouth late singer. Eddie phillips that he only has this movement never again. Yeah look some might. Site is a an actor who is my beginning on in some years that that was maybe joel additive for an illusion of joe line Chinese just you know. I think also it's just a raise i think. The actual raises is probably just to distinguish him from nineteen ninety nine. Like at a little little something. A little bit of flavor flav aside is all around so there's been some changes in terms of the marvel movies but the movies also specifically. This is the first marvel movie to be shot on digital. I think you can notice that in in moments titlists kind of blair and smoke in some of these shots looking at the house falling down in particular. You know what i mean. And there's a subtle. You can hear a subtle bleep bloop Every frame and that's the that's computers. The computer filming this. That's right yes i said. I'm imagining like a superman. Three s computer speedy at raves bike. By just going off just just crashing through through said just a role in one of those one of those like cardboard loud high at the smoking cigarettes. One of those hollis now action me anyways field on digital where we got. This does shield or nick fury as well Which the other one's kind of leaned into and also. Interestingly breida this disney had bought all of the marvel stuff for four billion dollars which by the way amazing deal yeah incredible but the distribution rights to this and the avengers. They went through disney. This time and this movie is the last one to have the paramount logo at the front novel studios just as marvel. Interestingly i think spinouts marvel yeah we've been signing wrong this whole time ugly you have. I have anyway one of the things i didn't like about. This movie wasn't so much the mandarin it was the god. Pius reveal of the mandarin but a lot of people didn't like the reveal. The ben kingsley was the fake mander and but i like that twist. How do you feel about that well. Great question james. Thanks just as a little bit of background. Apparently guy pius on the day suggests that the that. He shouts that he's the manager. Yeah and that that he he he he suggested the twist. Yeah i don't know what points in the production schedule that was that was implemented. I mean great. Yeah i just don't think he needed to shout. I am the mandarin and it was always may or whatever I think you know we are getting the mandarin and also that's into that in the one shot the comes after this with with benjamin kingsley but i love the jewish roles that that ben kingsley flying like the soccer hooligan drug addicts and then like he's doing the voice he's like i mean i look as a longtime ironman fan i. I think i was definitely put off at the time by the idea that we're finally going to get a look at on man's one of his his true nemesis but then it turns out. It's just some drunken idiot and turned out that i feel like but but at the same time is understand that they're trying to cap off a trilogy. He sure we'd foreshadowed the ten rings in the past. And i guess you have to pay that off and even at this point i think probably the idea of a of a man with you know magical alien technology rings. Who's a modern genghis khan warlord. Yeah we we do that for real. Let's go look too silly. i guess sure i was. I was kinda put out but again as you mentioned there is a moth. A shot called all hail the king. In which is revealed that he the real mandarin is alive and annoyed at ben kingsley. And who wouldn't be. And maybe ben kingsley made scoot mcnairy if his in that looks like earth mcnabb and obviously we're getting chunk chain of the ten rings so we are going to see the the mandarin elsa all's well that ends well i guess kind of probably it seems like all the behind the scenes stuff i read about these on men. Movies are we didn't really want to touch the manner. It's difficult thing to touch upon and it seems like the idea of working him into like that kong fu movie is probably you know. Yeah we haven't seen it. This is like a flow chart and it's like do we want to introduce aliens. Magic kung fu would set on. And then if it's like no then it just goes just have a guy a guy. That's the sinuses exactly. This is a big take next to so finally enough. Initially ben kingsley was supposed to explode he was going to take the extremists drug exploited. The they oversee kept him alive for that one shot at the very least. Yeah but i also. I hate the idea that these explosions that are going around the place. Which is the extreme assault. His of overheating exerting themselves and exploiting and they covering it up with these mandarin terrorist attacks. I think that's like a pretty solid idea. But just the end when he's just like he's not like dragon tattoos. It's just like i don't know thank you another sold idea that i think this movie has an. I enjoyed again for the most part. Is you take on out of the manama. Yes what is he off to that. Yeah i completely agree. I'm sure a lot of people went into this being like well. It's on man we. We'd put him in the suits and it's gonna be on men in the suit for most of this and it's and it's not and i can understand that but we'll get mad about that but i like the idea of you take this guy out of the suit because if you take him out of the sudanese useless what saving the point of what's the point rights. Frankly yeah it's demand with a pretty. We'd bid but the execution of that. I think i mean the the main complaint i think about that i have about this movie. More so than the fe commander and cetera is that you put him on this path of a man with limited resources. No on man suits to back him up you on that path by just having him mike. The dumbest choice anyone's ever made up until this morning a marvel movie. You say hey. The mandarin his my address. Come and get me and then not prepared for that. Have the worst cert- have the worst fly yet. Either yet will bend. Who had its as he put it down to that he has. Ptsd and he's not thinking. Clearly that often comes across in this movie but then it gets to the end whereas like all right. I'll call all my mind man suits but it's like you mean stuck in the wilderness. Small town usa. And you haven't thought to do. This is like i don't have an answer to glue gun into a whatever a slightly bigger glued but it's like you didn't. You didn't think and i mean you know i know he's not thinking clearly because he has that. Ptsd that he has to get into hours. Yeah you know who is thinking clearly jarvis. Yes that's the person who runs his house and probably would be like well. If you invited the mandarin over might set up some all of your ironman suits around the mansion. Maybe i don't know darn well you'll the boss but because it really is that bombardment with highly who like by the way and they just kind of drop him in light of movies upping the kid. Yeah but they dislike nas bottom. Man's the man but he's like why don't you build something get over your day. And he's like. Oh yeah i will. But that's the idea that he went into spice and he saw like the other side of the galaxy at is just as just completely fucked these bright up That's really interesting. i don't think it completely pays all. Here's some stuff that i think does pay off on that flight scene. Where he's he calls his suit and it's coming piece by piece and he has to take out that room of goons yet. he's just got like the off. And the boat yeah. I think that's really good now. I mean it is good Again to show that he is. He is a hero even without the suits. But i would like to point out that the distance between Tennessee in miami. The flight. Todd you figured out it's about an hour and twenty minutes and from the man sued escaping. The bond in tennessee to getting to him is fifty. Seven seconds. Wow so pretty. Fast i agree. I mean who's deciding is to say when the that came out of the came out of the nineteen minutes ago. That's exactly right. That's a really good point and that makes us movie terrible. I gripe loyola being right thing for you there folks i also i think i was one like what do you think about online patriot because in the comics. That's a norman osborn. he's russian. Yeah i like rhody antoni together. I d i had fun pair ban it kind of becomes together. My favorite parts of this movie is where i'm patriot has been captured and killing his heating up the suit with these with his haiti hands. And then just just. It's just don cheadle spring and out of the suit wear donkeys. He's green polo shit. Just doing some kicks into it comes out with a big punch hell. Yeah like dislike. He got he got the suit unlike unlike like on the beach spring out. he's. I'm ready to i'm ready. Let's probably play gulf with the president. Ready i'm ready to fight and do the back nine. Hey we i say that s done a lot of which they did for real they got professional skydivers. Thank you to have like to hide parachutes in in clothing and got a motor to link up and they dropped him in the water at the end with wise. I'd also like the fact that he's not superman. So he got his grab one from the grand grabbed the next wad. He's not fast enough and tunnel for you'll be tearing. That's that's what that. I find that really interesting and i think that's a great sort of creative use of the i man suit in the technology but also and that's really smart but i think a lot of the time In this movie tony stock is kind of a a a dumb guy who doesn't learn from his mistakes. Yeah like he's fighting one of the strangest guys up in the plane and he notices that as soon as the guy touches him the soup palace down on it starts melting game. And what have you. Yeah and then he kills the guy and then later on when in the final fight. He's just send in sued to suit. Yes just getting shut down and melted by these guys in suits missiles and lasers and stuff on them right on man. More like grapple man. I know exactly mania of grappling. He's apple so much. Yeah wing john like we know we get a ha- you just you know. Maybe he could become giant. Spice liza man. Yeah just shooting a john spice laser. That would work just as well. I agree but he something. I do like this movie that it sounds like i don't like that mock oh and i like a lot of it. Is that the suits that shop at the end. And there's that big battle over the docks or whatever it's pretty go and we get to see lots of different varieties. And he's leap and suit to suit and even though it's like why they grappling just shoot rises ikonowicz at the end all the suits would've been manned by people from the movie like when i saw the trailer for these athlete like the whole i the goal would have happy in it. Big one thinks he's girlfriends are in the suits. God just tighten. I'll do a come on insane. The kid yeah. Yeah what's the name reporter. Honestly i miss just because that's that's the thing in the in the comics login. It's basically is. And i do like how pippa gets a bit more play in this and gets a bit of an action saying there's a moment where she dies or he thinks she dies and he's just kind of like oh well anyway and i know he's in the market is flying dragon man. I get that. But i feel like you could have kind of maybe sat with that a little bit longer or like. He's right just kind of like blocking his ability to to think clearly but then of course killian foles pry to on man's ultimate weapon a knife just deny that all the time. I think that big knife big nice atlanta's off left and right. I also like how he's just like gillians just exploited. They pretty sure he just exploited though he'd already exploded yeah he's just like let's just blow. They soaks up a deal that also like they break out the next time one of the next times we say the movie because i guess he started building them again. I guess Get back together. It doesn't really. It doesn't really matter at all. But i mean it's a christmas movie and it ends in like a christmas fireworks display. I guess but it's just kinda add rings a little bit hollow to me as does. I'm sure you've heard this that. In china a lot of there was some saints added to appeal to the chinese markets. You know how he gets his hot repaired by johnny surgeon. Some other saints. The only that was shot specifically for the chinese side. Saying it's exactly while this is a great wall. Well this is a terracotta warrior. Wow this shopping. District is better than anything. I could have a build exactly. I meant suits garbage competitive. This mcdonald's in china is a segment. Show god or whatever we call it a little moments listening. That's worth mentioning Bruce banner have to mention it But specifically i want to mention him because there's rumors of another post same which was supposed to be included that involved the deep space so it was going to end with tiny receiving a distress call from to spikes at which point he dons the spice alma and flies off to make the guardians of the galaxy. Apparently this was scrapped. Because they weren't sure if he was coming back. I point this was pre civil war. And i no matter who wanna talk about again i was going to be somewhat involved. And you know they'll pay disputes and like we're not paying robert downey junior this much money to kind of to code laid civil war which they like. They made the right call. He's gonna want he's gonna want to says of ice cream and we will not be having and yeah and in the comic books i did do. A storyline win the guardians of the galaxy. Join with on. Yes teams up with like he. They as as a relationship with comoro as war relations ship right especially with shout out to the to the star trek double-punch the does to we suit when pepe big fan loved you in a christmas story. He says to the little boy. Boy peter billingsley of course producer. All all of these movies on man manja this little like shine black conned of dialogue stuff that i really enjoy this the moment where he kills all the goons when he's been captured and he's just like this is so weird. This isn't worth it. And the bible where he's getting attacked in the town and he ducks behind the comedies. Like crazy ya and the guy goes automated crisis little things like that Special shout out to adam pelly as well. All of adam ruins everything. Yeah no no. That's that's a different atom. He's doing the tony stock thing. Whatever you something else. Anthony mackie apparently auditioned for the mandarin. They say it's the ben kingsley role but that doesn't seem right to me. It feels like he would obeyed. More of an audit kelly killing. But what do i know about anything. Not a damn thing. We've never had to do a posh all soccer hooligan british accent. So let's right now. He's something also. I definitely wanted to mention. And i've been holding off until now. Oh she's not really much of a character in this movie. I guess but rebecca hall who's great was initially supposed to be the main villain right so was going to be behind everything. maya hansen. yes which if you've read the comic which this is very very loosely. Based on she does play a big role and kilian murphy and the other guy altered kelly. Odors killian yes is like a minor sizes heat older killian in in the extremist. Comic book is in like one pay. Yeah so yeah but here. We go bill mata. Here's the picture we know. It makes the noise. We're sorry we can't know why you burn it. You burn the picture and then us open a draw house and it's there again. I don't understand the said having her as the village. It wouldn't sell toys. So yeah he's always been on about state of aldrich killian toys. They sold a million diwan mason with a little barbecue lighter. And it's we never used the fiber breath wants you think it is it again. I'd use it every day. I yes all day. I'd clear lines at the bank with it. I build a pizza oven and lighted impressively q. Around god's come rub comrade on make the best paints no. Nobody wants to come round. have you. We'd pates his make pizza pizza oven. Stop doing it. My said you're going to get five. Exceleye see rebecca hole in an interview more recently. It was like yeah. I had a big pot where i was main villain or whatever but i don't really remember it kinda sucks and i think yes she would have been good also fun fact. Rebecca hall was seventeen nine hundred ninety nine saying decide. I mean obviously not seventeen in the but just it all right. I like to talk box office as well mason lavas because every week of made like. Why don't these make a billion dollars yet. This one did two hundred million dollar budget which was boosted. After the success of the avengers made one point two billion at the box office which was a little bit below the ventures themselves not bad not bad at all so this is really the point in time where these were solidified as they're mostly billion dollar movies Yeah within that value abject value and. here's this this. I guess sort of denotes the point at which movie studios alike if anything makes less than a billion dollars. We are not continuing the saga. That's right yeah. Yeah but there's been a lot of talk of we'll we'll the man saga continue. We are getting the in hot series on awards is coming out where it's just rhody cleaning up more of tiny stocks best choice essentially but i feel like and i don't know whether you will agree with me that he will be back i know he said that he's not going to. He could be like an iowa. Hologram situations lily. Wanted to give us an old school on mansudae. Suit like a clunky. One with a big blue hologram head grade. Yeah they've done it in the comex. I just feel like maybe not in the next ten years. Sure but i just think it's going to happen. You can film it at his house to my house up a spare room familiar at my hands. I never but the pacers. I only know it's a it's a mixed bag of a trilogy but this stuff from the first one is kind of shrug off to sustain the rest of it not that there and good ideas along the way because they differently but i think i joined the character of iron man like maybe more than i enjoy some of his movies i get it yay that the character vine man is just a real gripe block but i think there's an is that's also the point. I think there's enough good stuff in these cycles. That did they with a rewatch ten out of ten year ten. Add ten and writing them. It's out ten ten. We get to write them ten outta. 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Cillian Murphy

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Cillian Murphy

"Prepare your is humans happy sad confused begins today on happy said confused Kilian Murphy returns with season five of peaky blinders respective careers so great things can come even if you don't get the part you necessarily go in for other great things can happen out of it so we're all the better for it on TV for my money I discovered it way too late like about a year ago I caught up on all the episodes and the new season is out there right now it's on net flicks the on youtube you can find a little snippet of him in the back costume it didn't work out he wasn't right for that role but Christopher saw something Aka scarecrow what you may not know is he was almost Batman Aka Bruce Wayne himself he was up for that role there's actually audition footage on he was happy he was in a great mood and we got along he was he's a big old film nerd like me like you guys so we got on famously talk about a bunch of other things Killian has worked with some of the best film makers out there whether it's Neil Jordan Danny Boyle we go in hard on twenty eight days later and this season of the show he plays Thomas Shelby of course kind of the leader of this crime family he's now in politics in the fifth season such an amazing ensemble sunshine which I love I absolutely adore and and also just you know his his his associated with Christopher Nolan which I think a lot of audiences on on the on the series now Well worth your time if you haven't caught up with peaky blinders I encourage you to do so right now and of course you know in this conversation we special in that audition and decided to pivot and make him scarecrow and ever since then they worked together on inception and Dunkirk and I'm sure they're going to continue working through the rest of the go mike would we be miserable to be here my forcing him against his will would he'd hate me Outta Yada all that stuff while the good news is he came believes that he turned out to be to be as charming and delightful as he was just because you hate doing press doesn't mean you're a bad guy it often actually means a good guy so Killian Murphy if you don't know hasn't starring the last two years on BBC's peaky blinders which is one of the best shows you so very proud of this conversation very happy that killing came by I hope you guys enjoyed as much as I did and other than that what else dimension I mentioned and I and I don't blame him he doesn't enjoy doing a lot of conversing about his craft and acting he's not in it for the fame he's not in it for the celebrity he is so anti it's on paramount networks youtube page on paramount networks facebook page if you dig through my social media Joshua Horowitz I haven't posting about it so you can't miss it all the cool fall movies that are starting to come out if you've seen joker hope you dig at if you didn't that's okay too let's agree to disagree Liam Murphy is the guests on today's happy second fuse and if you can you can detect the emotion in my otherwise emotionless body I actually feel excitement today guys because associate with with killings career he of course was that all the actually all three of the Batman films most notably Batman begins as Jonathan Crane celebrating classic movies the classic locations where they shot with amazing guests the first episode is up with Lance Radic talking about John Wayne Movies Kelly Murphy's been on the list for a while and he's been he's a tough one guys because he doesn't do that much press and B doesn't do it because he doesn't all of that stuff and for that reason a I I was worried about even I was wondering when we'd actually get him in to Franken working on this for awhile and be I didn't know how it would actors that are repeated throughout the season get Tom Hardy back in the mix for a little bit we got an aunt or joy we got our friend Sam Claflin we we spent a lot of time afterwards just chit chatting about other movies that are we've seen recently like he he he couldn't have been better and I'm so you've done what thirty six season five now probably thirty hours of this exactly yeah so you know as somebody that probably likes the mix uh-huh circling you whether consciously or unconsciously I've had like everyone Danny Boyle Chris no-one Brendan Gleeson it's like this is your life Killian Murphy around last week you know we've debuted the new paramount network series if you haven't checked out on location please do so I think you're going to enjoy if you love movies as much as I do this is a show all about up and keep it interesting that's the nature of the job are you surprised that this series this role is still as richly rewarding for you five seasons in I'm and some local guests to come including Kevin Smith Shamlan and zoe detrimental and a ton more so yeah good stuff happening all around hope you guys are enjoying Um that's all I'm going to say now let's go to the main event shall we remember to review rain subscribe to happy confused spread the good word of my little podcast and enjoy the you up to you peaky blinders might as well start there sure that's what that's what the name of the game is right now this is a great delighted and surprised and you know humbled really From the get go from reading it I knew was is your thanks for having me big buyer of your work you've been on the list for a while to talk to I know I know this isn't the favorite thing to do for you so I'll try to make this as painless as possible chat with Mr Kilian Murphy thank you for coming by today mound is seven years ago we we started it so it's quite a while and I was aware that something was happening in television it show thank you in the last couple I was a late bloomer I think maybe a lot of Americans were they took him a little bit to catch up to what was what was cooking the BBC I think the BBC consciously trying to compete yeah if possible with those kind of shows and Steve just happened because we'd all watch those kind of seminal American bads exactly okay sure yeah and Zap in to bash moment with these scripts and I happen to be looking for television at that time and it was all this lovely kind of confluence of sort of choline incidents in serendipity and it just happened to you mentioned CBS's Steven Night of course who's your close collaborator on this one the brain the brains behind this wonderful crazy a rich tapestry ritz time period rich location and to see the sort of the way these interpersonal relationships kind of around here I was I was aware that he was a proper talent at that stage and then no I think he he talked to me about it before for another movie a couple of years before we got on really well and it didn't work out for whatever reason on them so I was an admirer attorney had been about the upper classes the aristocracy this sort of upstairs downstairs he talked to me about you know what it was influenced by which was it really you know the fact that in Britain Television a crime like the Godfather stretched over thirty hours like it's got the intricacy within a family yeah played against such of him and I knew that when I when when we sat down together we kind of had a they got on very well and we and so then when it came mingle with history yes is quite fascinating what was Stevens like did Stephen Pitch you or was it in the on the page what he what he gave you I had met him easy on Somboon and saga now the way it's it's it's developed is fascinating I mean I I also people that don't know anything about it it's like imagine like essentially and we Speaks Irishman but in Britain Hungary happened so Steve was type of story and there had never really being a piece of television that sort of mythologised the working class in Britain handed down to him by his uncles and his mother so he lived for a long time before he put pen to paper so it was very rich something special to the the the writing was so strong and so confident and original this ah was about was about I suppose addressing that and also setting a story not in London but in Birmingham which the second city for a long time was these men and they're sort of stumbling through life suffering the aftermath of being ejected from the which you guys here in America do so brilliantly you know without a cowboys and talion Americans Joel basically immigrants not a very fashionable city and but he wrote about where he's from which is Birmingham and the story was the most mechanized most horrific bloodshed ever known to to mind to that point which was the first world war and and they're trying to have to just and he writes it so elegantly you know he he reveals very very slowly peeling back now inevitably it's it's it's it is a gangster piece in and and it is of that John Together yeah so is discovering new things about Thomas Five seasons in Yes for sure doc is is ultimately redeem him because you know he is Steve's words a you know a good ah having to adjust to society and having to find place themselves and each of them McCarthyism our show sort of dealing with us in a different way kind of brothers from another mother or something like that you know they they were both in the war together and they have this amazing could've antagonistic I'm a fascist ideology something that you can't have something that you can't use you know machine guns last episode it's a May end the season on a really great powerful note and it creeps up on you to character I friendship that which I really enjoy so yeah and then people like Sam Neill tastic Adrian Brodie and just I mean I kind of knew years ago when we were both Kinda get going and then we did a few opposite him he's such a such an inventive unpredictable actor so you want and and it feels like they're sort of Dan who does bad things to a good end right I really like you know a contradiction as as we all are right yeah and then and then every year and peaky is so we keep in touch on grace and I love acting explorer and you know try stuff that might in another context Sima -rageous but your buddy Tom Hardy mean delicious to watch Oh as you guys have worked together a few times we go back layers every every season then you get to go get insights back into what Tommy was like prefer war and I think Steve's are S. human beings so yeah every every series now he's a politician he's an how do you how do you reconcile that would being a gangster how do you reconcile being a father without that was a very exciting setup from the beginning all the characters were broken yeah and that's a good place to start is an actor you don't want fixed guy you want the guy that's trying to himself but I think it has a different spin on it because it's British and because it's between the wars it's you go big or go home you don't always need to big on a character necessitate that but you do want to make strong choices for sure and I think it comes from the environment with being a gangster side of being a husband how do you deal with an ideology those situations that's what every actor hopes for is that that safety net that the place where you can experiment and go big and it might not always work against yeah so all of that stuff it's just very rich territory for you eight mentioned that the rise of fascism which is kind of like the backdrop of the season bringing someone I I've gotten to know I like it when actress make big choices go for it I think doing bane which could he could have fallen flat on his face and I just think obsessed with what he did soldier a veteran of the first world war right so the guy is he's seen stuff that you and I couldn't even into up from the start of the show on I mean you obviously you anchor the show but you're surrounded by this amazing on Psalm of actors some of which have been consistent throughout in some that that come and go presence so we it was an exercise in kind of trying to find ways that me who's not a very physically imposing person a into a character in various ways and I spent a lot of time with Tommy trying to find ways like he's a he's a decorated even in the physicality of him the way he carries himself I'm sure you're not a smoker I don't think no I got a lot of fake cigarettes over the last six years so for someone like Tom I'm just curious I'm an actor respective and somebody that's like a friend of his like I don't know about you is just like a fan of the medium of acting into seeing performance respond to events that you're in which is generally created by the director right now for example if you're on a Nolan picture inevitably Chris Richness yes he's directing it to make you not look like just an actress walked in off the street so long process to get there and it's kind of evolved over the course of the so you know one of the greatest filmmakers we have today yeah so you're in a really safe place to create and to sort of uh far from you seemingly as possible I hope I'm not that interesting of that but I mean Helen mccrory who adore you know these fantastic actors and then the season you bring people like on your joy I mean it's it's it's always always keeps it interesting you know when you have the confidence of a filmmaker who's going to walk through it and protect you on set and in the edit and no calibrate that yeah and I think the conceive so than the haircuts voice the walk the costumes you do every can to to you Chris Nolan films together right or what we were inception together and then I think I was in one of the dark all right one of the Batman films that he was in he was in ah could embody this character who was that sort of physically posted dropped voice I was gonna say the voices is over your Sam Claflin a very talented granddaughters I mean I've never seen him in a role like this is sort of the fun of the slashes holds it in this one yes they through the against lights just nothing more trendy than going station but but but yeah it was that was quite humbling and sort of unbelievable that that he was a fan and wanted to have his music in the show and oh you were would have been just as happy making music your life well yes it wouldn't be very good but but to to have musicians that I've idolized no about you love to write I mean what is your philosophy on like is I mean this is the wrong phrase cited by music and then acting and what here's the thing because they were all teachers majority of them are teachers I'm not saying that's something that I've noticed in a in a bunch of your characters over the years that's always that can really tell a lot about a character well it's a way of finding you can find to be fashionable or relevant you're dead yet none of these things happen by bydesign it was just total like it's a very graphic silhouette yes yes yeah without haircut the cap on the cartoon it's it became instantly okay so what is your your parents come from all along the line of teachers right teachers in the family what do they make of the artist's son who was fast she's an incredible artist and yeah I'm music obsessive so it's it's it's it just I can't I it's yeah this must be icing on the cake for someone like you I know you like I suppose when I read I read the scripts and I knew this guy had to be sort of physically intimidating he had to be intimidating Leonard Cohen and radiohead a Nick Cave obviously it all kind of started with caves or he sort of set the bar and the yeah that's amazing boy was fine and did he reach out to you got to them and hey guys I'm Josh Horowitz Welcome to another edition of happy said confused this is a special when I say that a lot okay admitted I say every episode special but in the Zeitgeist to be interested and no one knows yeah and again if you ever try and shoot for specific demographic you ever tried to shoot for recognizable as a peaky thing again it was a total fluke but we just chance to public offices kind of Alchemy of course if he's not in a boardroom you're like wait how are we going from being an actor writer or musician and if they did they had to leave and so it was there was always books in our house always music in our house own and the atmosphere of what the music would be but musicians really seem to love the show and this year we Anna Calvi the score and they didn't have a big interest in the arts at that time in Ireland was very very few people made actually yeah it's below beloved of like fashion easters and hipsters and I you know the weird thing is I keep saying to them you realize it's a it's it's to prevent but it just wasn't realistic yeah yeah possibly so so an I didn't even I just I'd say so lower the films and TV that that really drew you in as a boy do you remember what really made an impact on the number theater but then you can change it and you know yeah that's what we all hope for I think can eat select for something like Thomas who is one eighty from you is as it must boggle your mind with the haircutters began in every interview you talked about well it's nuts isn't it I mean it's become a thing it's like you started and as Mike Ringtone maybe I wouldn't actually possible and some musicians have have fallen the show to the Bowie was a fan wasn't he it was just look you also have over the years have had maybe the coolest soundtrack of any show if I were you I I maybe I I was gonna say I would have read trend like oh that's lasted it's not since the friends Rachel Haircut it's aw offer music to the show is being so just just kind of pinch yourself phone so going back and indulge me for at least a little bit nfl into it by accident you know they're they they're very proud and very happy you know and it's worked fine ah eat when you so music was a love as much as acting or even before acting growing up is that fair to say I didn't start until I was one thousand nine hundred and it was all music unlike hiding behind the SOFA just watching it we're I think we're almost exactly the same age so we would have been I think we at twelve or thirteen around one yeah and it still haunts me experiences for you yeah there's a few things I mean twin peaks was a huge thing that as a kid I remember watching that like I'm being shallow grave trainspotting were seminal sort of formative movies for me I remember watching him in the cinema pursued different ways some live and video village summer right by the camera would you rather have them kind of next to that camera speak from my experience and I've been very uh-huh people like Danny boy people like Nolan they are in an involved with every single detail of every department and affected immediately open doors you feel like a world was opening up to you in terms of opportunity was Danny Boyle saw it when he was casting twenty eight days later so that the boat four years later we made the film of the play and I suppose it was the first film that people saw really yeah did it for a while and then you guys made a film of it so you can live that character for a while yeah I did it when they never sixteen hour day whatever he's never never sits down and that that enthusiasm joy just percolates down to all of the so yeah I was like a recognized that fact that he was world class director I'm an I worked my ass off to move relations remember the thing that always stands out for me about Danny's that he he you know some directors will ever perch behind video vision they'll sit there Danny never sits down we feel like you're in you feel like it gets into the fiber of your being you know you can smell it almost that's so hard to get lynch just as crew and all would they follow him to the end of the world you know because he has such passion for it and he knows every single person's name you know he's he's sort of small things that matter certainly it put me in the room with him and then I had to audition for a twenty two I would assume as you must have been a fan of Danny's in that room yeah you know again it's another one of those how why but it just it just works for no never worked with Lynch Avia no love to pretty amazing absolutely and and that's what makes you a leader you know what I mean and that because ultimately the directors the leader is disheartening sometimes when you look around and I mean alder his He's been in here and I've talked to a number of times he's such such a spirit to him like he's just like he's like Tarintino you could talk to him about film out pick scale but if you'd like making a little indie moving yeah that's what the best to I mean I I also watched sunshine which for my money as one of the great underrated like classics Ah Shame to say I had never seen breakfast pluto a huge Neil Jordan fan but disco pigs was the was the big one that really did transition for you live you had done this on the yeah I don't under- view but I've watched a bunch of the missing films that I hadn't seen in Europe filmography the last few days so I watched disco pigs and I watched a was like nineteen is my first ever professional role on stage and then I would often did other bits and bobs yeah they did a couple of other films but that was you know I was thinking that easy rewatch the opening credits of that show over you see it the waterfall and the music and you're just there you're there and and I think sometimes it's basically as well as a few we could mention that when they were released people are short and then even two thousand and one at the time like alien do you know what I mean and then and then people over time go actually happened with sunshine didn't didn't it Otis doom notice the apparatus that's being used are due notice wait undoing takes that are going on for an hour as opposed to five minutes when you see they were that was hours and he seemingly boundless enthusiasm yes is that fair to say on on the set of his films like the joy of filmmaking just runs through him and the F. who's incredible DP he would have been part of the Dogma movement is short so we could have those cameras league if they could they would be the the head of each department you know it's a collaborative business will know that criminal when issues those movies it's Chris and the cameraman and Krizner little monitor that that that that's it and the the Bouma and they have these the sense of uh-huh I think so I mean in that like no I don't you think it's a gorgeous like marriage of music the sound and image and the because I'm very proud of it and billing back the twenty eight days that was also notable in one of the first if not the first digital films that make any difference to you at the time domestic DVD cameras there they were like on these little tiny cartridges he's big cumbersome yolks Anthony Dod Mantle in just emotion it's it's it's a powerful movies are tough you know I know it's a lot out of him he's talked about how like that kind of broke him it was tough for all of us and UH on believably grainy right you can imitate org achieve anything yet digital now virtually no one that but a lot of people again as a young actor did you feel like I know what to do with this kind of the horrible phrase of juice in Hollywood on the audition for Batman begins yes You were a fan I know Anto follwing yeah insomnia at that point And I I would be I suppose quite shy and stuff and not very good at the the old work in the room that is yes as much as disco pigs open opens up a world that opened up a whole variety of options there must have been challenging exciting lots of we say and I always felt I still feel the work should do the tall gig not the not the person domestic camera filming and it was I think influenced by that Dogma movement which was around that time was around that time yeah so in the wake and the way he worked and the movies that he talked about and the intensity at which he worked and also Alex Garland who wrote it who are the ones that can operate on the grand scales but make it still feel intimate and special not like cookie cutter Hollywood crap you meet Christopher I was very blessed to have worked with donny that early in my career to realize you know I was Kinda formed by aim at all so in the hottest day of the year right there in in the weeks didn't buy real marketing by Danny Fox that's not going to see that there's tape out there of you in the bat suit online if one wants to watch you could see why I didn't get the Pars you're a slight man uh-huh for Chris but very low fidelity was but it gives it almost gives the thing that he wanted I think was the idea that it was like so much just running behind him with the I think that like if you became Bam you might be miserable like I dunno I knowing what I know about you like I don't know like that would have been the life you would want undermine influenced me a lot and so it's very clear that I think about the sort of films that I wanted to do and sort of films that I wanted to steer clear of and so I went back and did more theater after Tony didn't like it didn't go skyrocket off so yeah yeah your you know what I mean like did you know how to set priorities and know what kind of path you wanted to set out on at that point well no is the short but I guess no I never really think think about think about it like that I believe as well you know I if you have some sort of authen yes I read some quote of yours I I'm not gonNA try and like approximate but like the power of saying no it's important to know what to say no to to city about you that you get the rules you're meant to have that sounds pretty cheesy what I mean is that if you if you're relatively comfortable in I am Batman doesn't make it doesn't work love now for some reason it just something it's kind of spoiled in a way by like working with these people like relatively early on like nanny and then soon there at relatively soon thereafter meeting Christopher Nolan Like a while I get to go in the warner loss and do a screen test Chris Nolan boom I can tell my kids but short if nothing else and then it turned I'm trying to get that right now and again it's it's it's like you know with Tommy it's a it's a series of explorations and exercises and everywhere you just get like anyone could operate once they were entity set them up the correct way carrying around little cottages Phil and Lil slim's I'm very fruitful working relationship with Chris and and I think Christian Bale I like just smashes killed as as Bruce Wayne apartment so so many years too late but an exceptional performance and I'm such a fan of Neil Jordan's he's so good great answer as any great Irish actor that's on the list in a directed to that and it just felt like eight psycho guy we can his chest phenomenon and you know it seemed to me of is for me I was just taking it like it was like a trip yeah filled out if you wanted to at that time whatever I knew the Christian Bale was auditioning and I was like office he should play Lebron you wanna work and just like a beautiful portraits of kit- kitten is such like an open hearted sweet character talking about voice that shakes the barley ken loach who's fascinating filmmaker I mean it's hard to make a quote unquote important film that doesn't feel like medicine that is that yeah yeah in fact Tarantino one of his favorite space movies so we were all well I certainly was very hard my country and actually my county where I grew up and then for two resonates was really satisfied part of it to like find that cadence and I spent a lot of time preparing for that one like like months it's like wait actually frightening as it is but it wasn't quite dvd or digital as we know it now the quantities on believed the path you want to move along yes creatively that stuff that stuff comes through for a reason yeah I mentioned I finally caught up in breakfast employee you know I think he he's one of the greatest filmmakers we have and if you look at his body of work performance he gets from actors the messages that is Phil just tests to see what works best doesn't work you narrow down another one on the list that I'm sure you take pride in when but the civil war which can deals within the film that had never really been onscreen and away do you think about it in those terms I don't ever think about it like that because it ended up working out great for me because I ended up a treat to see somebody that you kind of revered when you were coming of age as an actor Oh absolutely I mean there's sort of you know Leonie's branding Leeson and Steven Ray Gabriel burn those guys you know they lay the way for all of us and we were all in all of them and I still am something else does something like happen anybody that gets in the bat suit you feel like you have to change your voice and you kind of like it just you have to register yeah and when it came out like generations of grandmothers we're going to see with her grandchildren and stuff and and I think it was a good thing new every single frame of that film and so again you felt totally safe yet so confidence and hang on have within them the integrity that he has filmmaker yes you just feel very privileged to them and he's also a human like and on stage as well so they were all they couldn't have been more encouraging more supportive of me as I said never came home in any sort of tangible tangible way but you know it was all over our curriculum in school are you got to work within breakfast on Pluto was a Leeson which enrolled at like a very unlike I've seen him do before must've been in a film about obviously the IRA and support families and what to to your country I mean growing up just time you must have grown up when the IRA like what was your under so good for him and Jack Rayner Jack Worcestershire to he's correct yeah yeah there's such strong actors whatever you call us and and and yeah they're just gentlemen is it weird to work with someone like you're in Dunkirk and you see Berry who's mind or what level and you would just just working view and again the beauty is like at the end of the day I mean it's a film with a lot of bells and whistles and Daniel the IRA as a child like well I mean we you know I grew up in the eighties really and like the south it was really just on the news never he makes these credibly sophisticated at blockbuster movies but they have real emotion yeah I find it incredibly moving his films I wait for the Christopher Nolan James Bond Movie One day which I feel is inevitably think's going to happen he's been making in somewhere no comment it's fine it's fine we have a weird indirect connection in that my brother wrote tron legacy Adam Horowitz yeah and but you have to remember he lived with that story for fifteen years or something before may make get to make the film so he worker haven't that to work with Gabriel but I've got to work with all the others and with Brendan like five or six times and Stephen several times yeah so yeah the first country I think we have a fair yeah a couple of other things I'll hit in that I promise to release you out into the wild Sir absolutely put that when you put that on tightness in the bill there's something thankfully suffer everybody because also I will say I don't know about you it was kind of Cathartic thing for the country yeah jumping around a little bit like an heard me I forgot to bring up what I thought was another exceptional in that film at the end of the day is really about brothers and his just packs a wallop by the end yeah no I mean again server he's the master of Theron he's the NFC you do you know what you're doing next you mentioned and also terrifying anyway penned this email but then I I didn't have the guts to send to they just got embarrassed songs and then he called me up and said look there's a Parson sequels that's how powerful junkers and ski is he can read the emails that aren't even sent I know yeah I won't go down the bond route I know every actor that I've talked to US whenever you bring up James Bond they like I can't say anything very Hugo and be like oh wait there's the next next Gen ed how good is he he's great I just met him for the first time what a what a spirit he's got he's got the stuff he really has oh and I just finished quiet place a couple of weeks ago so just having a rest you show your son's much film like when they came of age when they started to be like old enough to watch films like did you have the list of the ones you needed to expose to them he have yeah mostly I'm not going to show them you know I don't know cost it's fun to Emmy junkers inskeep obviously bookie this time he could focused solely on the directing presumably had how was that UH gorgeous to look at and experience but like a weight it's a story about a father and a son Pasta with one of his set sally is all those movies like big I've got you know goonies this just watching those movies and seeing the joy in their faces that the stage is going to take a back seat for a while it's a commitment I just did a very intense play in here in New York last this year and I just need a rest and I was just booking agent is there anyway I can is there anything in that being it just for my kids and keep saying and what did you make of the inception script the first time you read it did you need Christopher explain to you what the Hell is going on that it read on the page no I think it I think it took a few refuse earns without I know you can't say much about it but there's a good story about that and I brought my kids to see that movie cinema last year and I thought it was one of the Best Oh yeah and of course you had a notable cameo that one well yeah 'cause I 'cause I adore the first movie and formalises beautiful scenes with you guys at the end and it's all this bombastic excitement that's that's I think that's what what what what Chris does Brennan a bit of the of the this is Your Life Kilian Murphy I appreciate it now I'm thrilled that you came by today thanks man congratulations on the of the year and I voted for it and

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Supergirl Season 6 Episode 5 Prom Night

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Supergirl Season 6 Episode 5 Prom Night

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Hunting and with me is always the superman of read that partner of prime of mine. Steel himself mr jane partner in stopping crime partner in crime. Unless we're from earth three well at this point in earth. What the heck Who knows good time house. Hunting is horrible right now and that's life and it's taken us forever to record because of life so good. You're just glad are lovely lovely voices. Yes it's like sweet caramel to your ears. It is having a twix. James's the left side. I'm right side. Nobody understands what they really need that. But let's jump into some news. I thought it i like. It wasn't a slow but we've got some interesting just points of news so let's start off. Here are good firm. Brian went to metropolis illinois so he got to go through the superman museum. Probably throw that out there. Try to get brian talk about. He was like and i quote. It was awesome. But i have my wife with me. She had to walk through one. Brilliant stare of a bill in mean. I guess at least he got to go. My wife awesome with four time. The digital release of justice society world. War two has been released as as Our listeners we do a review of those of these animated film. But we don't do it till the day that the physical copy drops even though hitting Moving around in the removing stuff when it premieres. Hbo max got the idea but we believe in waiting for the physical so that everyone has a chance to watch it and before we drop their view on some people like us kind of we'd like to have a physical copy. So you know i don't. I don't often double dipping by the digital as well as physical and people who upbeat views the day that something comes out. And i'm like nobody had a chance to absorb the material so it's a little nervous but also let's see you know a lot to tell but there's been pictures service of michael eaton's bat manner wayne manor with one of others trucks in front of it where they are beginning filming for the flash movie as of right now it's called the flash flash point people so when you get that across well i hope i hope everything runs smoothly. Cove in stuff. I mean you know the uk and canada and things like that. They a. have strict guidelines that when people on those sets and stuff like that they catch cova. Shut down for a couple of weeks breath. So you know. Hopefully they have a smooth smooth brun filming that movie not too not too many problems and i mean it's the flash. We've been waiting for this movie forever. Hopefully since it was announced back in thousand fourteen. He will really that nelson twenty fourteen. Yeah that's crazy also. They released this. We didn't even know about. They're going to be a teen titans. Go and a dc superhero crossover episode. I definitely am going to watch that with my kids. We've watched both all teen titans. Go pretty much to this point. And all of dc superhero girl. I mean be original style and a new one which the seasons on netflix. It's yes which is very nice. I guess this is going to kick off. Its second season. it's a good show. It'll be a little bit to get into this because it was like a step above teen titans ours like the tone of the seriousness of i really liked. The original teens goes is very slapstick. I mean that's all that's that's what that shows is built around dc superhero. Bureaus is just a step animation. In and you know what the character steel with a town and see here. I'll hear some amazing news. James a very marked on my calendar dc fan don't returns for twenty twenty one but this time october sixteen and cool. I think you know what Being that timeframe. I think it'll be another amazing event. Because by that time we will have footage probably of shiism to of black. Probably another failure for the batman. We will have seen the suicide squad. Yes we will so. It's a pretty a pretty awesome. That they're gonna do it again with. I think they should still lot to look forward to from dc. In the future. I just hope you know the one thing about fandom but they make it a one day thing awesome if they do a two day thing. I think it needs to be a back to back and i just think last time a one was so much better it was like it was so great because you just felt the energy like you're you're at your house within like everybody lines talking about you know everyone's messaging et like everybody like it just felt so great we are sharing experienced dumping and the second day which was more like thomas based and stuff kind of fall turn a little and they changed some stuff around some panels then appear on fandome. They drop them online. So i'm i hope that if they do up you know we still have some time in the kind of split it up a little bit and just make it much not much. Make it stronger than it was last year. The last year was amazing. Oh yeah they they nailed. It was the best It was the best online event i mean. It was last year that that we had from from every from every studio from every con. Anything that we witnessed dc fandome was was the best. I mean come on. It did better than comecon bennett. Outbid come on you know had nothing because everybody pulled out either own specials at bill and ted so anyways moving on. Let's get into some shows here. So how many people out there listen are not into watch mad and he wants madman. The day i have not. it's a show. I've always wanted to check out. I have not. I'll say this. I enjoyed madman. I've never finished. The last season starts slow. I felt it was very much forced to try to finish it. And i remember the show. Screener said like he had the image like the final image of our ended his head for a long time and was about eating his main. Protagonist there am i. that's cool But the the big thing to me was it's one of the shows that you watch once it's good. I try to go back and watch because like when i started watching it geneva she jumped on and start washing and then we try to go back and watch what she admits and i realized i can't go back in. It's not a rewatch showed. But the reason why i bring it back in both deutsche. Welle madman tyler. The actor who pete on madman aminzadeh mental. I had it. And i'm pulling his name. Everyone bear with me Has been cast. Jonathan rains here bro. Four tightens vincent. Yeah i mean. I'm not familiar with him so he was kind of odd. Like yeah vincent fear a you big campbell and he was like a douche baggy guy He will be jonathan crane. He has also been on law and order in two episode the a or episode seaney movies that are prominent people. Actually what he's done. He has a body of work. Most of us been living with the indie stuff in twenty eleven was in that movie with justin timberlake. In time it was a pretty interesting concept of a movie. Played filipi ice But yeah i mean he's he's worked tamba lot of like really small budget films him out on imdb. I think he's going be great. Got this weirdness tune this awkwardness they get some white. Some angle liking. And sometimes you're like. I'm just kinda not like scared. Ripped out kind of like e creeped out. You know like that like that. Like middle aged white guy. Anything real like you'd like if you had a mustache bosses. I don't think you're a serial or a thing going on so good for him and crane. It'll be nice to see a really good scarecrow. The kind of did it really weird when they did it on ghassem they another one those fold things where they had Jonathan's father as kind of a proto scarecrow thing where he was to scare people and it was plagued by billion sand. Also known as terrell smallville and they have a young jonathan crane that grew up or something. And then i mean. By the last season he was scarecrow. You look awesome. But he was just like a scarecrow suit but it'll be cool heroes definitely. That is very interesting villains. I mean kilian murphy was like perfect scarecrow in the in the dark knight trilogy and i wish he got more springtime. But it's better to want more Avidan have too much true. He definitely didn't get enough screen time and and the things that happened. I know they were They were pulled from the comic books. Some different stories with scarecrow but they're very small parts after batman begins and They nailed the costume on gotham or scarecrow and by the end he was pretty cool. So i mean and titans is pretty serious show way more than they could even do on primetime fox so yeah definitely looking forward to seeing what they bring to scarecrow on hbo. Max that sounds really sounds really good. So i was really cool. I want enbrel so the next piece of information. Hbo speaking of they have cast their guy gardner green lanterns and it's the actor thin. Whip up now. I know he did a lot on american horror story. I also know that he was the one he was one of the actors. That was rumored to be whatever you want to all the hype machine to be when they were talking heavily about the night wing move. But he's going to be guy gardner and that type gartner likes art. Right mean do would seriously. I like the actor. I can say that showed up on season. Four of american horror story in his. I think in at least most of it since i'm not entirely ought up but so far what i've seen since season four. He has been in a. Yeah you like. We started it and it wasn't a bad just we couldn't get into an or because we just had so much going on and then we went back and watched the season had like the witches and then just one of those shows that brew which is a good season moving around not having able and then just being busy and then kids have never really gone back to but there's only had the whole explosion superhero tv. He's trying hard with that stuff like to fit in everything he wants to see nowadays. May we were just me and jamie were just talking about. Because we watched an episode of was shadow bone. I think what exp- based on a book on our to wash and a we watched the we watched the first episode. And we were just thinking and and you know with what we talk about how. We want so many of these. We want superheroes to have more like long form many series type stuff. Joe's so that way we can really expand these things do so much better in a longer form medium than the time allotted that you're stuck to with film. I mean we see that. We've seen that now with wanda vision and balcony in the winter soldier. And i mean we've been watching. Cw for years. And we're looking forward to. Max shows titans and doom patrol i mean just nailing it so absolutely and then see a this is so rotate air. Zack snyder released a air to picture. A behind the scenes of filming be green lantern. Seen or the snyder sleep it was a little green screen. Setup with a motion capture suit the actor filmed and zack. Snyder's bribery and this is a pretty awesome behind. The scenes photo does and those that let the motion capture soup if green screen or green lantern like it. Just it kind of goes together. If that doesn't know you wanna jon stewart to be in instead of martian manhunter. And i posted today. Would people have preferred john stewart. Marsh manhunter and the end of snyder. We won't get into that right now but just headed with our facebook comment on that and stewart crewcut did and i just think that it would have been cluelessly. And i'm hoping that maybe this actor he looks good would have gotten a chance to play john. Stewart say an appearance in this rematch series. It's supposed to have multiple green lantern will where we got. Our bursts looked at a picture of naomi or the series is a anal- or over that was brought to life and it was cool. I'm definitely check it out. Like i always give every go. At least the pilot in the first two episodes. See if i'm really invested in the story before out in. I mean i've i've done. Well what all you know. Cw product with based properties. I can't say it's one of wrote about just because it's a new character. I read it when she was in businesses. Run to tie into any of the other bigger. So it's very out buyer to. I mean even in the comics. She's from another irc. She's on she's on the bike. The prime earth been but she's from another earth they bring her into the world to survived like racist or something. Could that could be an interesting way to to bring her about on because that would just bring her into the fold of the universe that you've freshness to the universe dying all right and then yeah. I kinda trailed off earlier. My point was when i was talking about jamie was if they do. I told her. it's really see. These streamers have the opportunity to make these shows and give us that long form. And i said if we ever get a remake of harry potter. They need to do it like a seven seasons of for like the seven years in movies. They need to do seven seasons as a series for each year instead. Oh i totally agree with that. I absolutely that was one thing that we talked about last time we did. Our big harry potter watch. Is it my mind that. There's no harry potter. Hbo mac writing with so much history to just do. An origin series of court would be amazing. Because then you don't worry about tying into anything else and you know completely original. The founding of awkward with pain wizards. And i mean just went down the horse. Yeah there's so much lower for those characters to and what all brought it up to was the fact that i didn't know that. Disney plus doing a percy jackson and the olympians show over there. I was like oh man like this is amazing. These streamers doing all these books were able to get more eveque content because they're not trying to boil these books into movies Anyways very watched you watched it with We watched the percy jackson movies last year with the kids too and they both enjoy them and that was like does nothing. Nope just the to it. So it'd be nice to have that long form storytelling star girl and the return august ten. They said summer they weren't like it means some of them at like a bates. I always think like august is because like mel school. For how many years but like some are still fifty on the school. Calendar right some. Are you know late. May beginning of june like june july and then august that summer and his august usually is into august august. Consider is is really midsummer. Yeah like the mid to late summer. Where it's supposed to be the hottest but like you start school at the end of august like you start in mid to late august when you start to a days or conditioning. The or or getting ready for school all in soccer. So it's like it's just weird. Because i still think of august is like into summer starting into fall and really doesn't start by the end just like yeah but speaking of august so this tuesday i mean up May eleven will be the supergirl bid season analysis with beef following teams in the return of superman and lois. Thirteen episode of supergirl will air august. Twenty four like my. Wow so august twenty. Four we're gonna get supergirl and soon be we'll say when does thirteen weeks could've have sat then like three months down the line. That's new number. Yeah so and attention really if there are any breaks. We're not looking to finish supergirl until december or january with those thirteen episodes depending on the brakes. I mean we really don't know what a what the the airing plan is. And if they have to make adjustments for it burned for different things. I mean like supergirl swooped in to cover that airtime for man. Because they had to close they had to shut down production on that per couple of weeks because of. You wonder if it'll be off schedule if that'll be if my ends up being like one of those Block out or whatever and oh this show of sudden like shutdown bill it in superhero air. Some well now. They've got now. They've got a lot of shows. Some of the show's finished so they have a few things to they have a lot of a episodes coming out to air. This is kind of blew my mind just because it's like thirteen episodes that a but okay well absolutely i mean the whole the whole quote unquote television season. The fall spring season doesn't exist this year. I mean it really doesn't mean. Cw usually launches her shows at the beginning of october which is always something to look forward to that man. Get anything until january february this year. That is all the news that i have and now jump into supergirl because we have enough people like along with the kids were like so. Let's jump into supergirl season six episode by prom night. First thing. I will say this episode. Feel like weird. I say that because this is the episode you get when they're about to brosseau vert. When they need their main actors are actors awaited billing for the crossover. And if you think about it like a scheduling is would be that episode. Building up to that crossover midseason to it was just weird with knowing. There wouldn't be a crossover and they will working on writing this season. Did they still kinda did this. Episode makes me wonder because there is no kara. Well no melissa in this episode yes no melissa Is our second mid bill episode. The first one was flashback. And this one actually involves time travel with bijan ship and is that is that only chip. It's gotta be right. Yeah bring has ship. And they time travel back to mit bail and some so we this. The last episode of midvale was so much was a very very much hamas to smallville. And then this this one they keep that but they bring in supergirl says kind of like a supergirl smallville crossover. Yeah it's it's interesting. Definitely a blend just of threw me because i was like wow why like but anyways it's raining and nia like it starts very quickly getting where we see john alex and then they just solve. Lena did we now know. I don't yeah. We saw john and alex. I know if they were there. Because we get the line from alex to add about kenny. Who supposedly died bill. And it's a alex mentioned. It's one of those happen. Didn't have to basically alluding to it was a world is the world before world after crisis. He died before because of the sheriff and now after racist that did happen. So kenny remain alive. Yeah so it was like okay. So is nice to be referenced. The two thousand nine two thousand nine seeing as my mom was in two thousand and three and was crazy. As i say that and then i'll make well it seems and then i think nine fiercer are dating see here. Let's hear bellows born so it doesn't feel that long ago but then at saint the year that was the year after the dark knight the it was the ear that it was the year. Without the right you know two movies in a way. Nothing no nine. And then she doesn't ten and eleven thorne at the american in twelve injures. Just that um right. So this is kinda crazy like they talk about it and let their athletes so long ago in some ways. I'm like that. And then i tried to establish a time line bank like win supergirl like this show kind of exists in real time you know well if to progressive premiered like supposed to be twenty. Even the series started. And i was like. I'm like so might do this. Math and i'm going to college them like post-crisis it's like two years of play a bill saying i'm sitting here like okay But so basically we're going back to the brainy stress stressing union and they make the book by missing lots on by both thousand years. Turner time travel. We find out that. Alex is already in college so and she's back and she's mad at ara for not telling testing that she wants to go to a national city university. Instead of midvale made bail has a college. But then i had to pause and think that there's a russian university circle bill like it's it's a college. It's it's midvale college. It's mid bail community college. Do you know what i mean. I just found since we need need young cat. Brandt which i feel like was just put in here for fun but actually i find her annoying very annoying. She is so annoying she she has some of the mannerisms and cadence that glisten flockhart had but none of the charm the had and it was at xactly. And that's what was that's what it what was missing was there was no charm to it. I was just like uh she works for pay way. She's awesome columnist and she's trying to break out into serious so i got gotta give her that. The time box is damaged somehow on the shuttle. And of course brainiac seeing it then. Of course there's are and and they have to brandon brenda pied. They are me a little bit film like superman to your origins issue to where the legion comes back and talks to them. Brady representing the legion. When back in and everything. So that's cool And alice's matic barra for you know basically using our in alison are. They're not really. we remember. Things are different from those prices. Because uh at this point in time had racist not happen they would have been closer to the events of the last wash back episode thing the brought them together and make you also wonder work. The is in the future. We'll get that story somewhere. Write they hide the ship under the field. Rumor uses her powers to heal brats. Yeah they it was interesting. Kenyan car are doing this. save the day thing like clark and chloe used to do and they've got their their own plates to call for for superhero ing. Kara uses her heat vision and splits the field open and then dreamer on tells her story as earn are a bond over being alien and i was trying to think if any of what she said sounded wreck on Didn't talk to her mom. B- died about her hours or something so so. The dreamers story was Her her sister her older sister was supposed to be the one with the gift the were grooming her sister. Be the one with the guests and she kept it hidden and then they found out they die so she had nobody to teach her how to interpret her dreams which is where her story is. This season i was trying to remember the end of last season. Not being able to interpret what her dreams mean knew. I knew it was supposed to be her sister. I remembered that. I just can't remember the mom. It's been so long. Bush with you know the post-crisis revisions i'm always listening. Something been chained So we get a lois lane. Mentioned we get to superman. Mentions this episode cat. When she chose up she interest. She says cj grant and she takes. Alex or elisa was is wearing a licensed badge into midvale. You use some of the tech to help recall and help them fix their ship. That's baen hiding spots in town. Where the. Dan repaired jeremiah's already done. Twenty where is a lot and the humorous part is bringing a picture of helen. Slater gets episode. Allies is nowhere to be found agree patriot player stock payer so we get brainy gets discovered hiding at the school trying to build a pretty printer who ends up joining the drama club. The baseball club the week flub anything else like he. He did baseball. He did yeah. He joined a lot of clubs pack. What he say said sure he said athletes find because i thought it was really funny Keeping a low profile but he joins while he's waiting for his is homemade three d. printer back in two thousand nine to rent hunt. You'll have unlike your leadership. I love feature is supposed to be so awesome that it doesn't work media. We have a key events. Sinai medical say stem lab and research of sustenance league club spartan dci needing to preserve student. Cover agree math league drama club and coach drama guild coach. Chris kripke yes key. The do meaning earth to pernet yup the same. This is our first act grant post-crisis we haven't since crisis. We haven't seen safari. I don't i do not believe they have. I don't think we have a. I thought about that. I'm also there's a truck that's driving that no one strike as villains you run an international view or inner glideslope tonight and they found. There's two on earth they want did not one these billions like tort basically stage a bash prompt explosion attack and are stopped it and then they find out there's blue and also nerve he's feeling suck and they're late and they're just the funniest thing they did was named they did. It's when brainy brings up to picture one listed this horrible death eater like gonna tear your face off alien creature the other Describes one is vegetarian. vegetarians Look that was fun but this a guy is sorry We find out because a brains actions it offers is in the future. He still at large Ended like he was supposed to be Is very open. We at the end of a basically e outsmarts them in kidnapped and like traps them at rive apart has been accomplished license. I'd be like when cities have right. I thought that was very interesting. That we have a scene where neo ulcer mall during the pat because of issues. You said interpreter. Alex has a whole speech. She gives the car about sacrifice. Cheap balls are immature. And let's see. What did you think about little near seeing nine to five. I mean current brainy had a good time doing it. She had a. I thought she had a pretty good voice for it language. That is her stress song. Like i'm seeing Party i all that. I'm like a movie move. Gift can see that. On why i was young. I be seeing nine to five work. Whatever hitter. Happy may bring smile and you know we have this tension between a. That's interesting because we're back back brahma Kinney reveals ara the built. The my doubt. It's an old barn and like the law of the bar. It's there as a at this point that they they know what car can do. I don't know if they know that car is superman's cousin. That she's a crip tony. And they named it a fortress in his honor one of those. Just look at it. Looks like art. All ville his loft barn definitely a part of it is my so And then the big kick in the face while watching this for that wasn't to be continued and so it's to be continued. But i think i wrote this down. I'm double check this coming week. There isn't an episode and we're going to skip this week and the next episode is may eleven which is prom again and it's the second arc to this and i'm just like i feel like i don't know this episode to was big. I wasn't extremist. Brought about it. Yeah it was fun like we said it was kind of makes me think they're building up to a over same time. I don't wanna feel borough where my this is my last season. And you're wasting my time. Now it's on. It's on on tuesday air. Data's may fourth so we have another episode of ram. Again are are you. Were you seeing this. Someone just looked up. I just looked up supergirl season six prime again On google is i'm on. It says new among the says next episode may eleven up of you love the should. We are using the wonderful things up. Let's see tuesday. I have a link here for prom again. That says may fourth for imdb singer. My don't now this one. Now that one says once i clicked on it said eleven you the bid listeners. We'll find out as we don't know chat internet all it says like i'm on the sea days as get. The app is crazy to me. How much does he w app. App app losses flashing supergirl day. But it doesn't say the details of the up anyways so Says nets new up put by five. That doesn't work so this is all wait and find out. We'll find out the other man. Well according okay. This is from the tv guide. Website is problem again is may fourth and ear not with a. Koa is may eleven so that would make me have an sleet and see is maybe. They changed at the last minute. Some stupid because they're like upward and drag us out. Because i said. I want to seek barra like melissa art before gone this long. Hiatus here's my last question. I didn't quite make sense to me. They talked about needing cars. Dna to do this whole track thing right about when she expels power denial. They need exact because having young. Well i mean might possibly but you know with the creek. Tony an indestructible. How many times could they actually leave. A a significant trace of dna when they would lose when they would expand their powers on and make themselves vulnerable. I mean that's what i'm saying. What they need blood is like butter by astra for example. Or you know. I'll swab anyways while you certainly can't get it from her now. She's in the phantom zone. Let's go back in time or say let's make some more doctors here. Go back in time before lena sensor to phantom zone and just kinda push. Lena incisors doesn't take a look. Yeah well you now. I mean there. Original plan was to get it being noticed but then they men in this episode. I mean they they create a a a change. The space time continuum they created a a new a new future because of their actions and their involvement but mar for twelfth level intellect. Now right isn't that so so it's kinda nice though i mean i've definitely liked jesse rath Better since he got the inhibitors taken off and this season he's done really good Very good acting trying to play a character who is feeling emotions for the first time. Normally we experienced that at as a child growing up. That's why children throw fits and stuff. They're dealing with emotions not all the time. But that's why they do in time to time as they're dealing with emotions that they don't know how to cope with learning and now we've got brainy here doing it and the last two episodes he's he's stressing and it's been this episode I mean for for the season. I don't know that it's one of the best episodes of the season but it did. Bring a certain levity. Since it's been kind of so dire so serious since the season began i just get bombed. I'm like this the last season right. It's a very bad episode. But i still can't get over the young woman. They cast to play melissa as a teenager. I mean you can. You can almost see that she could franken groped melissa. I think both even the yeah. I think i think both of them are very good. I don't think is but a james's on superhero but is your listeners. Let us know. Hold on to your tights. Send us a message and remember.

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A Quiet Place Part II

Pop Culture Happy Hour

14:15 min | 2 months ago

A Quiet Place Part II

"A quiet place told the story of a world overrun by monsters. Who kill anything. That makes a sound starring. Emily blunt and the film's director john krasinski. It was a blockbuster in two thousand eighteen and bound to get a seat now after a long delay due to the pandemic a quiet place to is finally hitting theaters and picking up. The last movie left off. I may ish harris. And i'm stephen thompson. Today we are talking about a quiet place part two on pop culture. Happy hour from npr. So don't go away. this message comes from. Npr sponsor hbo. Max presenting hacks a new max original series exploring the dark mentorship that forms between the larger than life legendary las vegas comedian and an entitled outcast twenty five year old writer from the team that brought you broad city. The co creator of parks and rec and starring. Jean smart hacks is now streaming on. Hbo max welcome back. It's just the two of us today now before we get started there is no real way to talk about a quiet place. Part to without spoiling at least at least one major plot point from quiet place part one especially because after opening with a bit of back story. The new movie picks up right where the last one left off. So if you haven't seen a quiet place you'll want to rectify that also. We should note that we saw a quiet place. Part two at press screenings in movie theaters with limited capacity while wearing masks A quiet place part two is gonna stream on paramount plus eventually but not until july a quiet place part two takes place in the immediate aftermath of the first movie as i said leave. Dad played by john. Krinsky has just died. That leaves mom. Evelyn played by. Emily blunt to protect your family. That's daughter regan played by. Millicent simmons. regan's hearing loss was a major plot point of the first movie. You've also got some. Marcus played by noah joop and a newborn baby and of course babies make noise so that's a complication together. They all make their way to the home of a neighbor named emmitt played by kilian murphy. There are a bunch of twists and perils and developments as they fight off that once seemed unkillable john krasinski is back as director and he also wrote the screenplay asia. What did you think of a quiet place part to well as you said. This was a movie that we both saw in theatres fully mass. And oh man. I was so happy. I was just so happy to be in the theater that i don't know like how much of me liking this film was colored by me being in theater for the first time in more than a year but i really i enjoyed it not unlike the first movie i think there are a lot of plot points and things. You can't think too deeply about like you can't really start wondering about logistics about sounds and whatnot without running into things where sorry but that actually doesn't really make sense or you didn't explain this is a bit of but sure i'll go with it. What of the benefits of the first film was that. It just felt so different and new and the fact that there is very little dialogue in that film and most of it was either through sign language or there was just nothing happening. It was all about movement and body language and following. The is where they go. I really liked that. And i think that this film veers kind of the other way and realizes well. We can't do the exact same thing here. We have to do something different. And i don't think it necessarily works to its benefit. But i will say there are certain things i liked about it. I really liked the action sequences especially at the beginning. I've seen other reviews revert to it this way but felt very spielberg in there are moments where it feels like jurassic park in a good way less like it's aping it but more like trying to make it its own Especially some over the shoulder. Camera shots in the cars when there are giant monsters. Coming out you. I think it's really really effective and to hear it in. The dobie studio was great. The rumbling of everything happening it was great to see their moments where there's parallel action scenes going on. So there's one scene happening with the character and then another. That's it and i think they kind of reliance a bit too much happens a couple times and i'm like okay. We don't need to keep doing the same thing but i did. Kind of enjoy seeing the match to match of you know with one character makes fire happen then. Fires happening another seen. Thought it was cool so overall some of it's kind of ridiculous some of it doesn't necessarily i think and i don't think it would work if i was watching it not in a theater but overall i think this is going to be your first movie to see any theater. It's a pretty good one to do. I agree with you on basically all counts including when you're talking about the scenes where they have parallel action going on this. Does what a lot of sequels do you have kind of team of people. And the sequel spends a lot of time separating them you watch a lot of sequels and that ends up kind of disrupting the narrative floor. Kind of disrupting your emotional attachment to the movie when you have separated all these people may suddenly don't have chemistry with each other anymore. This movie works around that clever ways by creating those kind of parallel action. So you don't necessarily feel like you're losing track of anyone. I think that's very effective. I agree with you. This movie really does benefit from first movie back in a theater bias because it is wonderful to get to go back to the movies. I definitely didn't have the thought of were movies quite this loud. This is definitely in many ways. A louder movie than the first a quiet place which is really playing around with silence. A little bit more than this. This is more kind of traditional action. Movie it has more kind of chasing rampaging than is kinda necessarily going on in the first one which is a little bit more about like just kind of trying to suddenly resituate yourself into a world where you have to be silent. I agree with you completely. I asia about kind of constantly being distracted by Plot holes and kind of that would never happen to me my to that i could not let go of where one whereas the us military. Where are all the bugs. These things have killed. Virtually every animal on the planet corpses litter every surface and there are no bugs to be found but in general i appreciated kind of the economy of these movies. I appreciate that there is really no sequel bloat here. The first movie is a very tight ninety minutes. This movie is like ninety minutes and change. It actually ended. And i was expecting a third act. That didn't arrive. So i think the kind of compactness and excitement of egging to go to the movies and be seeing a movie that is very well made made this basically worked for me. Even though i do think there are some diminishing returns. Yeah i mean. I think one of the benefits that i had with the first film is that i i was lucky enough to see it at south by south west where it premiered and there was no sort of buzz. There was okay. We want to go see it. But i had no idea what i was getting myself into. And that's actually the way a preferred see. Most things. marion really happens. Because you know it's very hard to do that but having that experience is really fun to have and when i heard they were doing a sequel. I was not happy about it. I felt like it ended so perfectly. It was a originals. Film was not a franchise and now they are clearly trying to turn it into one. And i do worry that if they attempt to go even further than this it will start to feel a little lagging. I will say one thing that did bother me about the first film though and still bothers me in the new film is the fact that they decided to have a baby during this. When you know the whole point is to be quiet they are they. Are i up the wall in this world. You cannot be quite a yes. They put the baby in a box with an oxygen tank and that is supposed to subdue a baby. There are very few people left in the world. The couple with the baby is lady who hasn't had any of its shots you haven't had like isn't really going to be. I don't know it just. It just seems really really ridiculous. And i also do think that one of the more hackneyed troops that we have now is. It's the end of the world or it might be the end of the world okay. How do we plan for humanity. Continue after the end of the world maybe humanity asian just meant to maybe we just need to let it go try to survive while you can and then go forth but you know i don't have anything elaine's babies. I just think that it was really dumb to do that. When the whole point is you need to be quiet. I love baby the quiet did you feel i asia watching this and the first movie. These movies are very lean. And very compact in ways that i really admire and they're not dispensing with a whole lot of yap yap back story you know. We're we're like they're trying to explain the larger a quiet place cinematic universe. I really really appreciated the concision of it. But do you feel like the characters are developed. Enough well. I think they are in a way because i think that we see especially with the character of regan. We see the relationship in the first film that she has with her father. And the there's a moment in the first film where he wants to take marcus with him to teach him how to fish and catch food. Oh eight there's fish too so the animals forgot. There's at least see animals but he wants to take him to fish and she wants to go. She's the older the older. She's the older one and you get the sense. That part of the reason why he doesn't want her to go is because she can't hear and so i. I liked that dynamic. I think continues in the through line in this film especially her relationship with emmett. Who's played by kilian murphy and the way he kind of steps in as the not a surrogate father but as a father figure he is the john krasinski of this film and they work together to try to help the family out together but i really think that she in particular does a really good job of being that sort of budding. I'm trying to become my own person. I'm trying to save our family. And i'm going to rebel and i think that because you know elliott one's character really. The whole family is afraid to do anything outside of what they've been doing already. And regan is the one who says no. I need to out and we need to do something we need to act and so i think that that character is really well developed other than that. I love emily blunt. I think she's doing really great. But i don't think she goes very far beyond on the momma bear. I'm going to protect my family at all costs. But i don't mind it either. Yeah i agree that this movie is kind of short handing its characters in ways that let you fill in the blanks and i appreciate how. How lean that makes the story. I do feel like watching this. There is some element of character development missing. And i think maybe for me the problem is that this movie just does not have enough. Emily blunt i kind of want more. Emily blunt bad ass and she's a little bit marginalized in this film. Kind of in favor of regan and in favor of emmett. I'm kind of hoping as they inevitably pick up the next movie. Thirty seconds after this one left off that we get a little bit more of her kind of re centralized in this story. Yeah i do agree with you. That part of what makes us. So good is the fact. That we don't have whole baxter. And i hope in the next film that they do not attempt to explain anything. I think the opening sequence of a quiet place part two is more than enough to see what happened that first day and then jump back to where we left off the last movie. Any think is a really great. I don't need any more. It's cool to see what happened. But i don't need to know what these things are i don't need to. They don't need a name. I like don't do that please. So i guess that was kind of my next question was like do you feel like these. Bc's are interesting enough as villains. Do because they are they are just complete. Chaos and killing with no motivation. I mean and one of the things that makes this movie like thirty minutes shorter than every other movie is. You don't have a villain stopping to explain it so there's no. There's no mad scientist trying to explain what happened of the note. No secondary character sells out to the monsters. This is not here. Yeah i look again. I go back to movies like alien. Where the less we know about them. The better it is or even jaws and the shark. I don't need to know why it's attacking people. That's just what it does. Does that mean diminishing returns in the future movies. Maybe but we'll see the fact that this is. I think better than i expected and did some different things from the first one justin enough. I think makes it to me promising for the next film. Even though i'm not clamoring for it i agree with you. Well we want to know what you think about a quiet place. Part to find us at facebook dot com slash pch and on twitter at pch. That brings us to the end of our show. 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40: Life in the Peloton The Grand Tour Doc, Dr Kevin Sprouse

The Cycling Podcast

1:08:36 hr | 3 months ago

40: Life in the Peloton The Grand Tour Doc, Dr Kevin Sprouse

"The can i guys and welcome to life in the peleton on mitch. Daca and i'm he'd introduced these week's episode. I've got a cracking episode for you. I'm talking with my doctor team. Ef education first tame doctor. Dr kevin sprouse. I've actually done an episode with him last year back in october. If you haven't heard that episode get across never listen to that one because it's a great episode to explain what the day-to-day job as of a professional team doctor. This week's episode is a little bit more specific. We're going to focus on grain to us and we're going to focus on the gr on the eve of the folk right. Let's see what it's like for team doctor on a grand tour. And that's when i think these guys coming to their aren't that's when the job becomes really important. When the gaza getting seek wheels are falling off when the crashes in the first week and they've got to get through grants who are. How do they keep it rolling on. Have they fresh ready to go every single day. There's a lot to sit back and enjoy the swan. And i'm sure you're gonna learn something just before the jiro. Keith often away. welcome kevin. That's dr kevin sprouse. Welcome to law from the pentagon ran to an honor to be back mitch. It's it's also good to see you again young. I'm kinda stuck over here in the. Us and yes good to see you face to face. It's great to see if ice. It's not quite as good as being in person. But this is the next best thing that we've all got used at the moment and on site last time. If anyone hasn't heard you gotta go back and listen to their very intro episode with kevin we got and we just talked by six talks water to be on the road as a team doctor on a professional cycling team. And i said i've got to get you back and this is where it is. We've got you back. We're on the eve of the gr. And what i wanna do today is do to cover some general soft but what i wanna do i wanna keep it a little bit more focus on grain too because i think there are special based now your job is an important the rest of the time but i think it really comes into play on these grain to as a three week old together for three weeks lots and lots of stuff can happen crashes sequences even the the mental side of things. And that's what. I want to keep these podcasts by surrounded today no i like it. I think you're right. It does grand tour. Kind of accentuate. What we as team doctors do Simply due to the degree of of stress in the nature of kind of repetitive. The day after day strain that you put your body's under as riders and so on the on the one day races. Certainly we need to be there for the big crash and stuff but if you get their healthy if we just get you to the start line than really. Our job is pretty much. Done barring catastrophe right for the one week races. There's a little more that we've gotta do kind of in the in between times between stages but most everyone can tolerate a one a one week race at the pro level. A grand tour is totally different animal and that twenty four days on the road twenty one days of racing it. Really stresses you guys. But it stresses us not in a bad way but just in terms of what we need to provide so it. It is a unique situation that we do three times a year. Run me through just thin daily role lock and how they differ from. You just touched on a little bit day from a one day. Rice or even a short side rose to a grain to a daily role in your is in terms of the white cop. What you protocol from a right through to bid you know. Because i have very very long days and sometimes it's not necessarily. I can imagine as busy as you are working the hospital back in your normal practice or whatever it might be but the i dunno explain that and the different dynamic of what. Your job is die. I guess three three dynamics grain to are one day rice and then give it some comparison. Toback harm yeah. So that comparison back home is really interesting. Because that's something that i would say. The other team staff often reference and certainly my colleagues back home in the hospital or within the practice reference. It's a very different flow today. The day i'd say the workload overall is typically somewhat similar grandeur like. There's there's a lot of things that we need to do in a day. I'll kind of walk through what those aren't a minute but it's from six. Am to ten pm. Like there's long day after a long day after a long day and there's a lot of times were doing nothing you know. I may just be sitting in the car listening to to charlier. Andreas tell another story or were laughing about this. Or that like it's. It's not hard that whole fourteen sixteen hours. It is but as long day after day. Whereas when i'm back home the workday may be more eight to ten hours. But it's much more compressed. So i would say they're equally tiring. Which which isn't awful. I mean it's it's not. Neither one is to draining. They're both enjoyable but they kind of play out differently right so on a one day race on the one end of the spectrum is very much the case that the days leading into the race are really where the meat of my job happens. Sometimes that's done from a distance just making sure that you guys are healthy. Were picking a a roster for the race that is in a good position to race from health standpoint. in for other big one day races like flanders or obey. Were often onsite days early with you guys. So it's the same thing but it's under more of a microscope. It's looking at sleep recovery. Diet general health a lotta times monitoring these in ways that you guys hopefully don't pick up onto much constantly. Pitching prodding doing stuff use the ban on our team but even more is the conversations is a the you catching you at breakfast or after dinner and just the the questions that we as doctors asked that maybe have a little bit more behind it than you guys recognize. Maybe you do this point but the is really dig in and see how you are can see to so just interrupt it to hard things i can imagine if you is new ghazel on the team and you know like i guess we've got that time to get to know them and get to see their routine their flow looks like when he's fresh so it looks like when he's tied and now something different maybe see but over years you get to know me. For instance or alex house or whoever you know our traits you get new ause on the team and you got to pick up on those traits very quickly because like you said you not taking them to the room and giving him a once-over every i and i guess the the other thing i was thinking into as you were speaking is a thing that could be with the one device. Potentially quanta annoying is on on myself in just stubborn mile or whether just seven human beings we we hold onto the sicknesses and don't tell anyone to unquote often a lot of guys turn to rice's seek sequel only white or a sickness and just and then suddenly you're dealing with that two is giving you two little questions. they of. It disgusts those little things. They're no they're both good questions and good points with the first one having having a race with a new writer normally we tried to get to meet everybody at a camp and get a little bit of a feel for them. Maybe have some some phone calls video calls during the last eighteen months during the pandemic. It's been really difficult to accentuate that problem. To the point where there were guys have raised all last year. Who are on the team this year. I've not met yet in nets. That's really difficult for me. Both in terms of working but also just a little bit psychologically to feel that level of disconnect so i went to the e tour and it was the first time i'd worked with Ruben and stefan guys at talk to gaza interacted with rueben all year last year being in contact with him for different things in. We finally sit down me like. Oh so you're room. And it's ruben guerrero. Who won the komo jersey in the law. She so if anyone out there had noticed her we're talking about yeah great guy and it's it's one of those things where you know. Our relationship i think was fine prior to that But having that face to face conversation just changes everything when even after the race. We're talking for other things which is kind of know each other better right and so that definitely plays out on these one day races especially early in the season when there's new writers trying to figure guys out figure out how they how they communicate what they worry about what they don't in that kind of feeds into what you were just saying recognizing which guys gonna kind of show up saying the feeling great the midfield in first time i meet with them and say. Hey doc you gotta be medication for this. Human nose stuffy. whatever. I haven't been feeling great And it does. I mean it's it's a fairly common thing and i get it. I mean a a try. And i don't think i've ever give anybody too hard time about it. It's more like it was something. They considered mild. This is their job. They're going to put their head down. Push through but then when they get in front of the doctor you got a decongestion or you got my head's killing me so it's understandable but it definitely happens. There's also i'm just seeing man now. Sometimes there's that pressure to you feel it coming and you've just been selected for rice to our red flag these because i could get pulled off this rice potentially if it's rubai coming something like that any like no. No i'm good. I'm going to push aside. I can see how that happens. But let's rugged. Sports medicine not interrupted. But i think it's a real crux of sports medicine. Working with athletes is recognizing their tendency to to want to just kind of push through but also the cutthroat nature of their employment. And that. I don't wanna take off a race. I don't want to diminish their career opportunities that year. And i think i've gotten to where we've got a good relationship with among most doctors an writers not just me but our medical staff. You guys know that we're in there to help you get to through the race but it still kind of a weird dynamic for you guys to know that for every for every employment position on the team as a writer. There's twenty other people who love to be there. How does a rana confidential. Rhonda patient confidentiality work. Because like i guess without normal. Jp that is pretty simple. Everyone understands that goes their size there. And there's no like you said there's no employment. is there anything so obviously. There's a point where you know you have to report this to the team. And you might have to pull a rod around or stop going to erase and this is pre cove. Obviously this is a whole nother spectrum had is that all sorts of work and had you gain that sort of trust from the roz off a potential. You've reported them and not reported but reported the sickness and they've got pulled off a rice and then suddenly honored does that. Does that affect things house. I don't absolutely can. I think it works differently on different teams from what i've seen in the past what i'm very adamant about. Is that the team employees me but you guys are my responsibility in my my my primary purpose for being there so when the weather's an issue where riders sick or injured or dealing with whatever i will i tell the rider what i think needs to happen. If that's coming off the race or were talking to the directors them decide But i always have the conversation with the writer. I and the confidentiality is look at it very much as that. Gp and patient confidentiality. It's the same thing i will. If there's something dangerous to the rider or in some way they're going to be a danger to the other members of the team or the peleton they don't say anything about it. I may then say to the director. Hey this guy. I think this guy is out the race. I can't tell you why we'll work through it. After the fact. I can only think of one time i've had to do that. I mean generally. It's a very open conversation. Most riders once we talk about it or happy to kind of be part of the conversation with the with the directors as well. So i'd say rarely never has been confrontational but you do have to navigate that a bit but ultimately the the medical privacy still belongs to the rider and and i don't think we can. I don't think we can push that aside just on that day. I just heard you say you know. There's the voss where it can be dangerous for the riders continual rice and for instance. It could be on the scene of a crash at the moment. And you've made a quick assessment and the rata wants to go on these the adrenaline. I'm gonna push on but it also could be that gnawed at the hotel and they quite seek or maybe they've got an injury that i think they can push through. Everyone remembers the famous tyler. Hamilton with a broken collarbone rotting the rest of the to france. Like i wanna talk about. The rod is pine threshold and just recently. I've got a little story here. Hope jimmy whelan. From antonio's a mommy sang story. He was in the boss. Country took the basque country. Just a couple of weeks ago and he crushed thirty kinds of the sides. You're gonna this story. And he went down. He wasn't sure what happened. Yeah he felt a bit of a pain on his hip and shoulder was a bit soils and short jump back on the block very very hard stage completed the rest of the stage one hundred and sixty kilometres one hundred ninety one hundred and ninety side. Something like that crosses the lawn. Still wasn't feeling great. Couldn't really get out of the state got scans on. You can just correct me if i'm wrong here. A broken shoulder cracks keep owned pelvis and obviously couldn't start the next. I and the doctor on cena davi kessel was what's wrong with you. What is wrong with you. Why are you guys crazy. I had did you finish that size. What you guys are mental. And like i sorta loved hearing that story because like i probably would have felt but i love that. There's a there's a million stories that we know these these guys get back on the block and fiji broken arms and things like that. Is that something that you have these at salk sort of these crazy tying threat shouting comparison to the normal joe blow and other sports or is it somewhat common out there on and i i mean you do find it among other in other sports even recreational athletes who are very dedicated but cycling tends to have guys that are above and beyond in this capacity. I mean we had a guy. I won't mention names. We had a guy who wrote the entire to france on a broken foot a couple of years ago. It's just it blows my mind and it's even it's one thing you know what jimmy did was just shows incredible toughness and but to do that Grant day after day to to know then that something's wrong and to get back on a bike and keep pushing you know we. We knew again going back to the idea. We would do it if it was dangerous right but just paint aspect of it just kind of blows my mind in so yeah i've seen guys. I've seen guys race with multiple types of fractures and or even just finish a stage. Like you said i mean. I think it's a combination of the adrenaline. It's a combination of Just the drive and then you guys put in so much work long term and the short term you know in the years leading up to an event and even in the weeks leading up this very targeted to that. Event that psychologically. It's very hard to just like bag. Those years of work and say at hurts a little bit. I'm done shirt shirt that i saw. Titanic podcast team. Cars back of the tax lease. Hello that was set. Pk the voice of radio tour. The tour de france. Interrupting mitch absorbing conversation with dr kevin sprouse briefly to remind me to tell you that this episode is supported by calm now wherever you are in the world. 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Talk about one thing that i fawn and maybe in a lot of people don't know but you sort of i don't know if this happened for all the years but i remember at least for the last five to ten years on bain professionals that in most grain two is that doctors do about half the grand tour. Just keep them fresh on the bowl chat to me about that. Change over there in what you sort of then provide on both sides. You're the first doctor. You of have to gear up the knicks doctor coming in and vice versa. When you coming in second half how how. That differs from being a first half doctor. Because you've essentially getting the you know the wounded troops and the first doctor's like you can deal with. That might keep them together to he. Has that old transition going. Yeah there's a lot of that actually We do split. The grand is on our team between the doctors. So we'll have a doctor. The first is basically a four week. Stint right when you look at the days before and all that so one doctoral did the first two weeks another doctor second to Other teams have adopted the entire race. There's not a right or wrong way to do it. I think like you alluded to one. Our our method keeps our doctors a bit fresher and on the ball to were all working clinically so there are some teams who have doctors only worked for the team. Which there's there's arguments for and against that We have doctors. That were clinically. Which is my preference. Because we don't become. I think we don't become too myopic. We're not just working with very small group of cyclists seeing the full spectrum of patients. So when you guys come to the room with you know stomach pain stuff like that or have you other non-sport injuries or illnesses. We were competent dealing with those. So it's a mix of that the rationales mix of staying fresh but also being able to maintain our clinical jobs. Because we'd probably get fired if we left before time of but you're right the hand off so the first doctor usually gets a group of riders and staff that it's energized motivated like. There's this big bill to come. And everybody's feeling good peaked for this event and even if there's no injuries like the the tour just goes along nicely at that handoff which is usually the first day staff starting to get tired. Riders are starting tired. Some people may be starting to get a little sick or just worn down. And so the doctor coming in on the second half oftentimes. When i've done that i've had to tone it down a bit realize that you can't come in and it'd be like hey. Is you know. I'm ready to go on fresh. You've got to kind of tone it down and meet everybody where they are in terms of their energy levels with injuries and illnesses and things. It's a pretty seamless turnover. Most of our medical staff works very well together. And so there's in the first couple of weeks that doctors communicating with the doctor coming in the second half and so it's not like it all takes place at the hand off but we try to stay involved during the race and then spend a bit of time face to face on that Handing off the problems almost physically like well. Sometimes you can walk room to room and see you guys say okay. This is what mitch dealing with. It depends on the logistics travel schedule. But that's that's always my preferences were able to do that. So that part's pretty seamless. I'd say the biggest challenges that is coming into a declining energy level and being excited to be there just so give me a name. We took him out the girard. Most reciprocally did i do. Have you done all three grain to us. Yeah have in your opinion and you might even know these. Also 'cause you're the head doctor so you get to oversee All the data coming in all the notes coming in from all the doctors from all the rices. Anyway in your opinion Have they straight to his defy in terms of the jira typically can get quite cold at some of those mountain passes. So i'm the mentioning you know there's a lot of sort of sicknesses flus and general called sicknesses soul throats. That's sort of a. I'm guessing all to have a lot crashes. You can't necessarily well. Maybe the two has more crashes. I'm not too sure and to maybe could be dealing with the heat saw things and gauze being too relaxed maybe Rummy through the to the three two and maybe what you prefer. Maybe what's the difference there yet so you hit it pretty square on ahead there. I mean the so the. Jiro the giro's probably to i like doing all of them. I've done the tour seven times. The jiro four five times while two four five times the jurors great And people come into very energize earliest in the season. Like the pads. Some some racing building into that. But everybody's fairly fresh and and really ready to go so that that part of it is is fun fitness. Usually very good. But you're right. The cold weather oftentimes some long transfers. Especially when you get either if you start down south or when we start in say israel and then come over is just an added stress on the body and so some some of the transfer of some of the weather set guys up to get sick and so we do see a number of upper respiratory illnesses. Colds things that they can push through but definitely dealing with that more. Probably in the in the jiro than the other two grand tours in the tour de france. Definitely the stress. I mean it's everybody's just a bit on edge there's good energy but there's also all the sponsors were there. Everybody's kind of got high expectations and so coming in already running hot probably on the age of getting sick before they even stop. Yeah because i mean that if you if you get to do the tour as a rider you set up your whole season around right. Everything will peak for the tour and so they come in right on that that threshold of being really well trained in the next step is getting sick right. So there's stressors in that regard so even though the weather isn't necessarily as dramatic most years as say the zero. I would say that the illness incidence is not significantly. Less that varies year to year. But we've definitely had a number of you know respiratory illnesses and then you start to get some gi. Some stomach illnesses to attack the year. Just kind of the way the flow. These things work. An injury is like you. You alluded to everybody. I mean the first everybody who watches cycling knows the first few stages of the tour are just everybody's twitchy there's people going down left and right or road furniture landing ditches and so yeah it tends to be pretty busy from that standpoint. It sounds like you've almost got sorry. It sounds like almost got and you can tell me about the third kit bag. You got like three different kitbags like the first kitbags like full of cold and flu and lots of nasal stuff is the in the two bags full of patches and you know let's let's get to the of the heck. Yeah that's a good point so the welter like you characterize it. You kind of get guys. Who are i mean. Definitely still professional about how they approach it. But there's much less stress in the welte is actually love doing the vault. For that reason. It's it's a nice time of year. I mean it is hot. it's nice time of year in spain. The level of stress is like two notches lower than the other grand tours because that honestly people tend to perform pretty well. You know you taking takes weight off the shoulders. I'd say the main things that we see they're really transitioned more to again injuries. Crashes the settings are gonna happen but more of the stomach bug can hot weather stuff. So you might. You might get some well before we had chefs some food poisoning some of the hotels just given it stays hot air his where they eat cooking but even just one of the things that we see that honestly i kind of when it was first posed to me as a as a way for people getting sick. I didn't quite believe it but the stuff flying from the road onto the water bottles. Yeah so you know you've got in the summer you've got a lot of farming going on you've got a lot of Harvesting whatever olives and end and you've got trucks going back and cross back and forth across the roads spilling stuff in sometimes lets manure or whatever they're using on the fields right and then you guys ride through it. Maybe it's raining and stuff flying the water bottle in your drinking water bottle so that tends to be a bit seasonal well. We'll see that in. Belgium will see that in the vault. If it rains so the each each race does have a bit of a character to it even from a medical standpoint. When you've done a few times you start to expect certain things. And i haven't started packing differently for them yet but maybe my kids will start to look different now. It's a good point. Is there any on these grant who is in most specifically the gironde now. Is there any like general general practitioner or gp sort of work with the staff and like extra personnel on the team because wages talking specifically about the rod is here but the team can potentially have eight rods and two or three times that of staff sixteen to twenty staff. Them is on the rice. Do they come to you or is that sort of crossing the line on it and that works actually no actually actually urge them to come to us. I mean i think of our medical staff on the team as being their medical staff as well because if they're not doing their job whether at a race or away from the race if they're hindered from an illness injury. Whatever concern you know. They can't contribute what they need to contribute for you guys to perform at your best and ultimately that's all there for is for you to support you guys The greater team. I absolutely want them coming to us with with any concerns and they do sometimes injuries. Whether it's a mechanic who cuts his hand or somebody falls down. The steps of the truck of the bus falls down some hotel stairs. You'll have seen seen some crazy stuff you know. We'll take care of that but it's also illnesses that come up Oftentimes even questions around. Maybe they have a a long standing medical condition. They have high blood pressure or Seizures or whatever that they're they're medicated. For in the medicine they lose medicine. We've got to help them find a pharmacy to get it. So it does happen. Frequently ended the tour de france. it even includes sponsors oftentimes. I've had numerous times as a sponsor who's there gets injured or get sick in whatever we're seeing them and trying to help them feel better that they can move on to the next stage with us. Let's go now a little bit more specific to the rice and the rice. I think is really interesting. i want you to run through in what you train implement. But in general out team most teams implement and that's the pro the post rice protocol. And i wanna talk a little bit about the boss in the hotel and that's to do with recovery also could be to do with after rainy stage. It could be like you know. Let's have a a knack or something to make sure you guys aren't going to catch a flu or called and then we'll get back to the hotel whether that's an oxbow. Whether that's feeling run me through what you try and implement without time. Yeah so i think. The nutritional component of recovery is massively important for performance. But also for health. When you start to get into caloric deficit carbohydrate deficit deficit extends in terms of time period. We know that depresses the immune system and so a part of that recovery process that is medical you may not think of being medical. Is that recovery bottle. You're handed you the rice and chicken or eggs or whatever this made on the bus. All of that is is supporting you medically from a health standpoint for the next day so really starts with that. If it's been rainy it's been cold. We may pull out some some things like you mentioned like the the knack of the initial sistine called flu muscle in spain. Just a an antioxidant. That's been shown to help kind of clear mucus and just improve. How quickly somebody heals up. It's not a is certainly not a be all in offer warding off sickness. But it's just a little bit support like we do with vitamin c. Or even a hot teams get you warmed up seeing something. Yeah yes zinc for sure. So it's it's using that so but using it in a supportive way not to say that it's gonna be like you have to have this or you're going to get sick. It's more just making sure you have what you need. And then there's the environmental component to so if it's been a really cold day getting you warmed up and that can be just taken a shower. A lot of times is making sure you get to the shower quickly and don't linger on the bus. Because sometimes on the bus it feels a little warmer in there. Because you've been out of the cold but it's still not that warm we really want. You cleaned off really warmed up and recovered and so pushing guys into the showers. Sometimes vice versa has been really hot help. You figure out ways to cool down whether that's an ice bath or cold shower or just you put ice down your shirt or whatever But all those things have kind of bringing the body back to a place of normality whether it's calories antioxidant support temperatures support all that moves to get you into a better place to avoid illness and be better ready to go the next day and then we get to the hotel and you guys have the benefit of a massage each night which is fantastic. I think what do you miss. You're not into race. Well i'll just before we go to that back to the us just in case anyone doesn't understand exactly what we're talking about. You know recovery bottle humane is. We have a protein shake in that bottle end l. team. This is the first time. When i moved to f l. team gives us gives that to us at the end of the stage and that was something new to me and that was something that i thought. I didn't think that was very important until you start doing these. Jiro is where you might finish at the top of the mountain. And you think oh. I'm just to get back to the boss. And most of the time people think the buses parked at the phoenix but in the jiro that love adding like twenty. Maybe even thirty kilometers on at the end of the stage to rod bacteria. Basset fifteen or twenty of them. Be descending and you get to the bottom of the send you fall in august tinky flat doing another half up so these these protein been in all these carbohydrate protein beedon shah. He's sort of auto to start already that process for the knicks style. Which is what you're talking about. We get to the end of the stage. Bang straight into the beaten gaijin. Anyone who's listening. Who's asking for marble on the sent. You can't have that bottle because on that one for recovery. They when we get back to the boss like you said bus drivers already prepared a beautiful meal back there chicken. it's ross. You sit and also in another night you said they trying to get causing the bus on typically trying to get the guys in the xiao to. Because i'm like. Let's just get the hell outta here because the boss count role until evan shot. So this is more or less as we say. Sorta wanted to break that down in case you haven't been inside a bus which i'm pretty sure not many people have but let's get to the hotel and the massage. I haven't even seen massages. i can tell you know it's a great. It's a great tool for the body. I think it's also a great tool for the mind quite honestly just to be able to to decompress a bit and certainly work out some of the the kinks in the trigger point said you know the the manual therapy component of it is is huge. I think very beneficial. You guys also tend to unload a bit on the swan years during that time right. Yeah i like. I think you sort of conscious that in the first week you probably is a bit more conscious of what you saying that you build up this relationship with this one year and when i say your store near most of the time you have the same sony throughout the year and when i say that you probably have two or three guys or girls that you work with if they are on your rice go to john murray or go to pascal my to oz ends you this relationship. You might end like you said. Once once a rice gets a week old you just need a let some steam off sometimes and you don't even know you're doing it and it's actually exactly what you said. I think the message is actually not that much of the physical recovery of the massage. It's more just like time to lay down. Relax and let them on and relax is kind of a safe place for you guys to i mean you can. You can be quiet or you can you bitch and moan about whatever went wrong that day right and know that it's kind of just stays in that room and the same with the kyros. It's a good place to kind of let off some steam. Which i think the reason i mentioned that is. That's a big component of recovery. If you if you kind of keep some of that stuff inside which it's going to happen. I mean it's a competitive environment. You guys are are all fighting for position for hours on end like constantly being told to move up or come to the car and get this and then back out like it's it's stressful and if you don't have an outlet to kind of at the end of the day process and release that a bit is just going to impede your your recovery overnight stress levels go up and all that so i think that's a massive heart of the recovery process one just before you go on the. I want to mention something he and i want to ask you about this. They comes a point in a grand to for me where and this is an attack or saying that it's bad but we have so much support it like you said you got caro's you got a massage and yet the dark there. You might even have another person to come and check you. whether that's a physio or nutritionist. And you get back from the stage and you'll bank from one room to the next year like anyone listening to black. What are you complaining about it. You gotta get you massage. You get a car you check out from your car. The doctor comes in chicks you. Nutritionist brings in food like getting wrapped up in cuba. Comes a point where it's too much should be just literally wanna what the slate clean and i'm doing nothing tonight and i want to go to my room and what i wanted to ask. You is the balance between sleep and lets say massage. This is put all that stuff in the the bracket a massage car. Whatever they come to the point and lawson critic miami aware of these when he crushed the to france a fees guy and famously wrote the rest of the tour. He said came to a point where he goes. I was just holding up getting massage anymore. Because i was concentrating on slave. I just pretty much massage aside. We got to the hotel soy light that was like eight. Get to bid and get as many as i could sleep. What's your opinion on that because there is a balance. Listen gainesville hotel to non on ten o'clock at night and then you stop the process. Yeah and you gotta throw dinner in there as well i mean. There's there's a lot to do in that time. I'm the one who had that conversation with lawson and said look i think i think we need to prioritize sleep and see what we can cut out and i think there's probably some of that to be gained even when not injured. Like if you if you kind of look across everything that you have to do and the timing. You have to do it so a late stage at the welte. The wealth is nice. Because he's gonna start late the next day too. So everything shifted but still. You've got kind of a compressed window maybe it's a long transfer whatever else and you start to look at dinner cairo massage. Whatever else i think. There's a point at which you say. Actually i'm gonna cut one of these out probably not dinner but cut something out because i'm physically. I feel good. And i really would benefit more from an extra hour of sleep tonight and i'm totally onboard. That honestly i'd like to see cycling a little bit more that direction. We've even gone so far as to talk about the timings of dinner in those cases in a lot of times we've got really late. Dinners that end up with like a ten ten thirty dinner and then your straight to bed. That's not great for digestion. That's not great for sleep either and so looking at it is their way to do. Even dinner differently On a transfer stage so. I think we're starting to look at it in a new light in recognized that just cramming as much as we can into their sometimes at the expense of sleep is not necessarily the best protocol for you guys. The the flip side is. There's not an easy answer to what is best. So i don't sit here and pretend to know that we should do exactly one way or the other but i think having an open mind to say tonight maybe massage is going to be the best thing for me. You can extra sleep is i think that's totally legitimate. You've just mentioned a few times here about dna and about fuelling and preparing for these races and a common problem. While i'm gonna say column. But maybe individually common problem for me. Is i get into these grand as anes. You get sir tied that for me. I'm just trying to recover just trying to think. How can i make myself feel bad on. you know. We talked about the stuff that you can get done by therapists but hundred myself and these natural habitats fuel anita fuel to uneasy at the pasta anita eight and then be denies a big stage smart and they comes a point for me anyway where my body is trying to deal. This is my own thought on it. My body's just trying to deal with recovering my legs screaming and then suddenly. I'm just feeling my face with a big of pastor and all these food and something that must stomachs now to see some lucky said and then you lying down going bit. I've found that sometimes towards the end of grain to. I'm just feeling striking overloaded in the dodgers system whether that be the or whether that be the is that is that am i imagining that. What s what is what is what is a good amount of fuel and win is is there a point of over fuelling. Because i'm thinking people out they're going you just couldn't get enough. I could imagine yet. No you're not imagining it at all. I mean i think that is a common a common scenario among really any endurance athletes. That are doing either big blocks of training or a grand tours. It's one you do need a lot of calories but to think we tend to fixate on his athletes that is something we can do actively to recover like you'll a lot of things about recovery are passive. They're going to bed early there. You're disconnecting stressors. Their property your feet up and sometimes you want something active that you can you feel like you're moving yourself toward this recovering state. Whatever that is eating is that it's. It's a way that you can do something to feel better. I think we have a tendency to perhaps overdo it. In that regard it can be difficult to really come up with a a strict number in terms of calories on what you should be eating because everybody's effort even given stage is gonna look different. Know if it's a flat stage in your task with kind of protecting the leader and maybe maybe there's echelons or even just kind of a stressful day in the peleton. You guys are staying up front. You're going to be burned out but if you did your job well the leader is probably gonna feel free. Chill for the day the day right and so just looking at the length or the hours of the stage whatever and saying you guys to eat around. This much is is really going to. It's going to somebody in injustice same on a mountain stage where you know. A a sprinter may set up early in the group eto and still hard to get over the mountains. But they're not putting out the same intensity same carbohydrates like olympic. So it's you got to individualize it. And i think what it really comes down to is. We can look at the numbers killer jewels. Burn things like that on your garments and help figured out but a lot of times. It's i feel like we can look at it in big buckets as opposed to small calories. You know did you. Did you massively under eat. Were you about right today or way over right and then look food. Quality in quality plays a big role. So if you've got lots of vegetables and healthy grains that have been cooked by chef knows how you're both do it in a healthy manner but make it taste good than you're to kind of default into where you need to be from refueling standpoint. If you end up with those very late dinners kind of something hastily thrown together or you're at a race where we don't have chef. I feel that's where things really tend to go awry. It's a difficult equation. I agree it's not it's hard to nail it just right and your your experience goes a long way. I think. Let's talk about the other end of the spectrum And depletion which kmby something that you just knew happened and you couldn't help it for instance. The rice just happened. It's going so hard. You never had time to get a bag. You didn't even have time to get a gel and you finish the stage kyw but ultimately you're going to be depleted for the next i. It can also happen another way where let's say a climate of the mountainside just coming and he's singing you want to be as lot as possible and he's just not fuelling off during the day and maybe not recovering well enough at the not. So he's ultimately slowly pleading himself over grand tour which i think we're slowly depleting ourself. I want i want to ask. You is because i've been destroyed myself before is that i unknowingly depleted myself. But i paid for it for three or four days afterwards. And i just didn't know what was wrong. I was going at the back straightaway. I was like what is wrong with me. Few as much as i could that not. I is like a pig. But i've done the damage in the rice. Tell me what happens there. Because i think some guys experienced that but i don't even know what what happened because they thought yeah. Yeah i got my pastor into not. I should be swayed tamar. Yeah when you get really deep in the whole from fuelling standpoint what we're talking about his glycogen depletion so likes to the stored carbohydrate in muscle and you can only store fifteen hundred two thousand calories. Obviously you're gonna burn a lot more than that in any given stage and so if it's if you're constantly depleting that and you get a little bit too far. Your body has certain things that does to go into like a almost like a starvation mode or the switch flips to kind of protect you from doing too much evolutionary. You don't wanna die right. It doesn't know that there's three ambulances behind in cars full of food like it wants. Just shut things down and so even though you can refill the glycogen for the most part with a good refueling program once you finish before you start the next day. Some damage is done to the muscles. There's hormonal say hormonal damages or modal repercussions of that. And there's still a bit of a governor. This left on to say okay yesterday. You did the same thing you climbed on a bike and you took off really poorly like we ended up totally depleted which puts us at risk for illness in all kinds of stuff. And now you're coming back on a bike and do it again. We're going to put a governor on this. Make sure you don't go to horn rights by just starts to slow things down a bit and it's almost like you need to kind of get it back to a place. Where is comfortable again for a bit. I mean this is a really oversimplification. But i think people can identify with the idea that you know if you're constantly putting the body in a in an overstressed position it's gonna if you don't slow down it's gonna slow you down and then so you've got to kind of retrain say okay now that everything's full again. I'm calling maybe had had an easy day in there and and then the bodies like okay. We can do this kind of releases a bit unless you go again. Which is why arrestee can be perfectly timed if you if you get right. He's it though true in terms of that. It's not as simple as for instance. Everyone knows the feeling of hunger flooding and hung flooding extremely so hung a flat. And you rod through that and you really really deplete yourself. Is it not as simple as fuelling out that. Not because what from what i understand you simply just con- absorb that. The muscles are going to take a few days to fully replenish. Does hannah's that'll work. Yeah you're replenish the the vast majority of it. But do you know if you can hold two thousand calories and you may be dropped you hunger. Flat push through. You're going to get down to maybe five. You're not gonna get zero right. That would be. Your body won't happen to be catastrophic but maybe you get down to five hundred or three hundred and you riphil in your back to seventeen hundred right like that's all so you're starting to three hundred deficit and you've got a little bit of damage to the muscles. You've got this hormonal and in central governor kind of holding But you still kinda try to go and you try to go because you need to be with the group and started at seven hundred. You deplete again. The next day you may be only get it up to fifteen hundred. So is this constant losing scenario. Until maybe you've got a chance to have you know. It's an easy day on the bike or to rest aid. Kind of things can build back up so it's not strictly glycogen by any means but it plays a role Your body knows to kind of shut things down when glycogen get to a certain level you know. Call a quarter tank. Maybe in the car when the fuel light comes on right and your body you'll take down a few years and say we don't wanna go empties. This is all you got now is that what was seeing at the taliban locking on. Don't want to focus too much on the bottom. Which is what. I'm talking about as gods getting dropped from the peleton that's Something as well but probably the more interesting things when we see those differences between the gods who are targets for two weeks two and a half weeks and all of a sudden you see these wheels fall off. He's cracked in european. One is and this is many many things could have happened. They have it just from a very general point of view. What is generally happening to the guys who are cracking. And let's talk about the gods of the back to the guys who have to pull out of the rice. Just go on. Is that what's happening. What you're saying die to die slowly depleting and fondly crack. I would guess if we're talking strictly from a dietary standpoint because like you said i mean they could get sick they get. There's a psychological thing. All kinds of things can happen. But if we're looking at those two scenarios from a dietary standpoint. I would guess that more frequently does two different scenarios. The guy in the back who eventually just falls off and can't you cannot get back is probably that cumulative day after day just going a bit harder than they're able to replenish and that name may not be strictly nutritional. They may be doing their nutrition correctly. But they don't have the fitness to hang and what happens is so they're pushing a higher relative intensity the guys who are able to hang in there which means they have a higher nutritional need and can't meet that right so it's kind of a losing equation on the back end and eventually their bank account is depleted out the back of the guy on the front. Who's been there the whole time and just suddenly has this. Just kinda comes apart is probably much more of an acute fuelling problem that day right. So sometimes that's a gastrointestinal problem with seen it with guys who get pick up a little bit of a stomach bug maybe have spent a bit of the night in the bathroom and then they feel good the next morning but they're just empty and all of a sudden got nothing but it could also be. They missed a feed bag and and blew it off. Didn't eat enough and all of a sudden hit that spot Boom they come apart of. There's some interesting research around. How the mind. The body kind of worked together in that scenario and even the idea of perceived effort so you guys can be at the front of the race both equally well fueled enabled to do the same effort but if one guy is kinda smiling and the other guy looks over the other guy gives him that look like this. This doesn't hurt his hiding it. Well even tricking himself into it and the other guy is like deepen a pain cave. It's very likely that he's just going to pop right. And you've probably experienced. That just doesn't athlete in the past. If you if you're able to kinda summon a smile so to speak your whole body feels better for it and if you could smile the guy next struggling like you can see them immediately. Just shoulder strap. It's funny you say that. Because i can't remember if it was my cultural. Who told me about i said on your head stem stick a smiley face or sticky. Note saying smile and i do remember that especially in the moments when it's raining called cross in belgium. And you going. What the hell am. I doing him like laugh. It off good. This is this is fun and it takes a lot of mental strength and you sort of and this is slightly different scenario. But you sort of this is like you trying to a finding yourself on us and you you just laugh about how ridiculous cities and secondly you come out of that that tunnel that docked tunnel like still. It's just a sign. The ryan still. Siamese hands just as called. He's sort of laughing at yourself at it and you can almost make a funny moment of it. It's interesting you've always got more in the tank and we've all experienced this with Whether you've done a recreational five k run or a ten mile t t or whatever it is you feel like you're totally worked in then you see the finish line all of a sudden. Pick up the pace and like you spread through the finish. It's like well. Where did that come from if you were totally depleted. You couldn't do that But there's more their psychological interplay with with biology is really interesting. That is what's going on. I think at the front of the race a we don't know yet how to quite crack but there's interesting research on it so maybe we will one day also got a couple of last questions for you. I want to talk about caffeine from unit. Because this is now. We're talking about nutrition and i think this is something that is really interesting and i use it as well massive coffee drinker but as well use caffeine jails in the rice or even in training. Now i get that ridiculous session and like well. I wanna talk about the benefits of caffeine and how it actually does work but also if you can tell me about when you do use caffeine. This is what. I've sort of four four. I don't know if this is true. The feeling i get his caffeine allows you to mask the pain or whatever it does allows you to guy that beat data but the problem is your body. Has that pine level to stop you going that date for raisin the knicks. I you pay the price. Tell me about how works the prostitute pay for it. Yes so the study. There's vast studies on caffeine in performance. And it is definitely effective. It's not a game changer. I mean it's not the be all end all but it's a good way to get an extra percent or two and timed appropriately. It does allow you to kind of change your threshold a bit. There's a primarily of a mental or psychological component to it in the way that it's a stimulant but it does your perhaps at high enough levels provide a little bit of a higher heart rate. Some of the things you need to turn the engine up a bit right from a strict stimulants standpoint The studies typically look at really high doses. I mean four hundred six hundred milligrams. Which is it's a lot and is not what we typically recommend for people. So so you've got to imagine they set up these studies to elicit the the most benefit they can deceive. it's affected that doesn't mean us the correct real world use because as you mentioned you've got race the next day you've got to sleep at night you race the next day like it's not always the best way to utilize it so oftentimes we'll we'll do is talk to you guys about timing your coffee and take before the race. Timing your Your gel intake and maybe looking for an overall load of somewhere between two and three hundred milligrams a day including that morning coffee and everything else. So it's so it's reasonable enough to expect a support of performance. Maybe a little bit of a jolt when you need it but you can still to bed at night that you can sleep well and you can Wake up the next day without feeling like you went past your threshold. Pass your governor. And now you've got to pay the price for us to talk about something else and not necessarily a stimulant now and something that some guys want to get to enjoy at the end of the two. And i think is drifting away from the end of a wife from the on a bit differently when i first started. There was a one on the table every night or occasionally you could have a the now on an often. Say it on the table at all. It's more when there's a birthday or you win. The jiro. you win a stage. You have champagne or something. How much alcohol really effect outperformance and like having a be on the bus. i've heard about these infamous movie star team of gotta get on that team. They've got a fridge with bees. That comey in valverde has a beer every died. That's what he has he's never going to change it. And that's he's recovery. How much does it affect. How performance is that. Is that a myth or is it true. Tell us about that. No i think i think it's true and i think it's individual but you're right. I mean sagan's always got a beer after the race. I've heard tale from some directors that one of them was a team that when you walked in two or three bottles of liquor on the wall and you pick which one you want to be shot from. That's how you started your recovery So i think so. Alcohol is a toxin right. It's a it's something your body has to Has to process has to kind of work to eliminate it really doesn't alcohol in and of itself doesn't have any properties that's gonna help recovery. There's carbohydrates in beer. There's any oxidants in line. You're those things may play a small role you can get them elsewhere without the toxin added so i think it does impact recovery but i think we're at impacts recovery more. That would not really appreciate it in. The past is sleep Maybe not wondering you know i. I would think you had a glass of wine with dinner or a beer after the stage. There's probably a little if any downside to recovery. But i do think any more than that in probably crossing a threshold where it's going to disrupt sleep disrupt some of the recovery processes some of the hormonal processes and given that and how much effort you put into prepping for granted or any race and wanting to perform day after day. It just seems like a good thing to avoid until either you win and you have a glass of champagne or at the end of the race. You kind of celebrate with with a few drinks yet but it's probably not. It's probably not horrendous. In moderation to be honest well this is a bit of a big one and this is sort of the last thing i wanted to chat you about of lifted to the end because everyone knows about these right now but they don't know how it's affecting suckling poseidon inside. I'm talking about covert the new way. We're living our lives. Everyone's got something different in the off. I'm sure but how you saying that prosecutors change and how's your job changed to keeping the team on the road with that is for season for more specifically gerard coming up. You've probably been during the preparations for the girard team. Ward some protocols what are some things you've implemented that you've never have done two years ago. Yeah it's changed my job a lot. I mean things changed. Everybody's job with high but you're asking about mine. Aside from the fact that have not been able to travel to as many races. A lot of my role within the team has become much more administrative. In oversight of covid protocols as opposed to working closely with with athletes on injuries illnesses dietary things performance. The things that i really love you know. I'll be honest. I don't love dealing with covid. Stuff i don't i don't love. I mean nobody likes cova but even like the administrative side of it like that's just not my thing but we've all had to kind of step into roles were not. We didn't really sign up for right and so a lot of times especially last year. It was figuring out where we can get tests how to submit the results of those tests. What's the testing protocol going to be this race versus this race just constantly juggling these balls around testing and sanitary protocols. Where can we have two people in a hotel room versus one Is this person allowed to fly if they land this day. You know they'll have this days off to quarantine uses constant questions around logistics. What's what's acceptable and what's not this year. We've got a little bit more of a flow to that so that we do have in place protocols within the team of you know if you travel how long do you need to kind of sit out this you get there early. Wait on the side quarantine. Make sure you don't develop symptoms and so we've kind of got that down but it still is still a lot of logistics and filing reports with uci and that just is what it is but it kinda kinda stinks. I'll be ready when i'm ready for all over. I think like like everyone out there. Listening right now I might fall finally sings. You're not going to be the. Jiro that she thinking back to your is. What are you really going to miss. What are you going to miss about being on the jiro. You gonna miss about being you need. What's that one thing that sticks on about the tell ya that's easiest. The food i love the race in the race is great. Because it's it's kind of a passionate race a you're the riders are into the fans are into it like it's beautiful sceneries dramatic so definitely miss that part a kind of say the food tongue in cheek but the food in when you're in italy even at the little i'd say especially the little mom and pop hotels that maybe the hotels not that special to look at but you go to in. It's all these fresh vegetables. Amazing pasta finished with a nice cannoli or as alberto told me it's not cannoli one canola so just having that opportunity to enjoy the food but also the the relationships that happened when you're sitting at the table for an hour and a half enjoying along dinner at the end of a hard day. It's it's really fun. I will miss aperture. I'm gonna miss it so it's been good to chat t tonight on one side. Everyone out there. If they didn't hear the podcast before back and listen to the first podcast with kevin. We have only just sort of touched on a few topics. He gotta go across. And have listening. kevin's podcasts. Here's these aren't podcast. Called the podium which i frequently listened to scott everything we've talked about a hell of a lot more in a lot more detail but very very easy to understand and comprehend Caves you want to say anything about your podcast. Because i i con recommended highly enough and i think a lot of people get a lot out of it. I appreciate that mitch. We try to take a single topic in each episode a single topic regarding health and performance and just dig deep into it. But like you said. We try to deepen the science but maintain a level of accessibility so that anyone can listen to it in get most if not all of it in hopefully come wave something actionable. So yeah welcome anybody to come listen to it. Thanks for mentioning. Mitch no problems. 'cause that's the party him and cave gouda speak to. You might hope to see you in person soon and we can go for one of those coffee rods. We used to do all those years ago for sure. I'm planning on still. I hope you enjoyed that episode. I hope he found out something new their lock said at the end of the episode. They go across the have a listen to his podcast. the podium. it's a very very interesting podcast and you can get a little bit more detail. Their law from the peleton is going to have a little break while the euro on these she locked from the tone is going to feature during the grand. To's just because the suckling podcast has such a great job of covering the grand tours. I thought i'm just going to stay out of that one and save up the good stuff before nafta so i'll be back after the g. r. There'll be a talking loof next week after the jiro they'll be another talking and then all we cling podcast with a new law from the pills on episode so guys sit back and enjoy the grain to coming up and until a few weeks time. I hope we can hang on until the then cheese. You have been listening to laugh in the peleton. The producer of this episode was will joins. The music is episode was composed by pete shelley. Thanks mike.

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